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Here’s an essay by an obscure writer in a modest magazine, so don’t treat it as authoritative. Still, in its artlessness, it makes clear the conventional wisdom: some people are above criticism.

Personally, as somebody who has been criticized upon occasion, I find that criticism, while unpleasant, tends to make people better. But the current view is that a powerful ethnic group is too fragile to endure criticism, even self-criticism.

From the Forward:

As a Jew, I Cringed Over Jeffrey Epstein – And Played Into The Anti-Semites’ Hands.
Howard Lovy July 9, 2019

When I heard that Jeffrey Epstein had been arrested on sex-trafficking charges, I cringed. I’m sure I was not the only Jewish person who did, or whose first thought was, Why does this sorry excuse for a human have to be Jewish? And I probably also wasn’t the only Jewish person whose second thought was, Given that he is Jewish, why does he have to have such a Jewish-sounding name?

It’s a natural response to a people who have been hounded by anti-Semites, to cringe when one of our own behaves in such a horrifying manner. …

It may be natural to fear the wrongdoing of our own not just for its moral ugliness but for the attacks against the rest of us that such wrongdoing will surely engender. But it’s also a fallacy. …

As Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt once told me when I interviewed her about her book, Antisemitism: Here and Now, it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.

We all cringe as Jews when one of our own, with such a Jewish-sounding name, turns out to be a horrible person (and it doesn’t get much more horrible than being a child rapist). But cringing over Jewish deplorables is at the end of the day something of a category error. It’s the wrongdoing, not the Jewishness, that should horrify us.

After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews. They would hate us, anyway. Lipstadt compares anti-Semitism to herpes — “It’s disgusting, but it doesn’t go away. Come a moment of stress in society, come a moment of tension into someone’s life, it can pop up,” she said. Anti-Semitism is the herpes in society. “It keeps asserting itself at times of tension, at times of dislocation, and that’s one of the reasons we’re seeing it.”

Epstein Accuser Says She Was Assaulted In Billionaire Les Wexner’s Home
Alyssa Fisher, July 8, 2019

They hate us when a Jew is successful in the public eye, and they hate us when a Jew is a villain in the public eye. It makes no difference. …

It’s natural to feel shame when one of our own turns out to be a villain, just as it’s natural to feel pride when one of our own is successful in politics, sports or entertainment. The thing is, that shame is playing by the anti-Semites’ rules. It’s assuming a collective responsibility for one man’s actions.

We can reverse engineer a Jewish success story to make it about their Jewish upbringing, but then we have to accept the other side of the coin: Is it his Jewishness that makes Epstein a horrible person? The anti-Semites will say yes (and they already have), but we don’t need to fall into the trap of claiming “Not all Jews.”

Many Jews are especially angry at their fellow Jews who are in the public eye for misdeeds. They are angry because they’re Jews, and so should have had a better understanding of what it means to act unethically. While understandable, it’s still playing by the anti-Semites’ rules.

Howard Lovy is a freelance writer based in Traverse City, Michigan.

 
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  1. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, the guy who slammed the angry Bagel Boss manlet to the ground kind of looks like you. Not facially or anything, because you can’t see his face in the video, but in terms of build. He’s got that tall, lanky build similar to yours, and he just manhandles him like a ragdoll:

  2. It’s assuming a collective responsibility for one man’s actions.

    No, it’s a collective responsibility for an ethnic group’s collective actions.

    You can’t fix a problem if you can’t correctly identify the problem in the first place, as you know.

    The “metoo” movement’s target demographic of assholes are extremely over-represented by Jewish Men.

    That’s the overriding fact. It doesn’t seem to be going away. It’s getting worse.

    Deal with it, Mr. Lovey.

    Note: Gaining advantage via eliberate obfuscation is a standard negative Jewish stereotype. That’s something you can work on to dispel, personally. Cut the bullshit, and get to work on that.
    That is, your personal task in life is undermining standard Jewish stereotypes that seem to appall you, by not being one.

  3. “Anti-semitism” is surely based on jewish behavior, and is not irrational in any way.

  4. Not Raul says:

    How can this guy still be a freelancer? It must be a Nazi plot.

  5. JimDandy says:

    That’s why I found it odd that Harvey Weinstein, Al Franken, Louis C.K. and many other members of the Tribe were so thoroughly hung out to dry by the MSM–and now Epstein. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime, and I wonder what it’s all about. Bernie Madoff was easy to explain–he so completely screwed over so many prominent Jews, that it was almost intra-Tribal justice. But this?

    Jewish power in America certainly hasn’t waned in recent years, it has continued to grow exponentially stronger for decades and decades now. I wonder what’s going on.

  6. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    As Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt once told me when I interviewed her about her book, Antisemitism: Here and Now, it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.

    Were the Jews massacred at, say, Babi Yar killed because the Nazis thought they had too much money, power, or dual loyalties? Seems unlikely.

    More generally, bringing Hitler into this isn’t helpful. Just because Hitlerites will always hate you doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to improve opinions others have of you. As Luke Ford says, “if you’re a minority, you should want the majority to view your presence as a blessing.”

  7. Hail says: • Website

    anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other

    Weak effort.

    Don’t you know you’re not supposed to suggest even the possibility that Jews may be guilty. and instead accuse us of pathology more directly?

    It may be natural to fear the wrongdoing of our own not just for its moral ugliness but for the attacks against the rest of us that such wrongdoing will surely engender.

    Translation: “Yeah, it’s a shame about all those hundreds of gentile girls, I guess; maybe it’s too bad that a wealthy and powerful Jew ran a years-long operation that targeted gentile political elites by means of child-sex kompromat. But let’s talk about the real problem, for once already: Backlash against Jews. Crimes, schmines, We are the real victims here — because backlash.”

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Trevor Hardy
  8. Paul says:

    Self-serving criticism of those who notice the disproportionate occurrence of particular anti-social patterns of behavior among the critics’ own group. Don’t like people noticing, then change the behavior.

  9. it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational

    *facepalm*

    The refusal of Jews to take responsibility for anything evil they do to goyim , ironically, the largest driver for other ethnic groups to hate them so–bigger than even the wrongdoing Jews do in the first place. It’s one thing to do something scummy; its even worse not to care about acting so scummy; but its even more enraging when someone baldly denies doing the obvious scumminess despite complete evidence that they did it and it was awful.

    When I was young I learned of the comic-staple trope of “Jewish guilt.” Now I realize how doubly humorous that concept is. Jews have guilt towards other Jews (extreme guilt towards disappointing mother, for example), but no guilt towards anything done to goyim.

    It is little wonder Jews completely cannot understand (or pretend not to understand) the Orthodox/Catholic concepts of confession. In Jackie Mason voice: “Feel guilty? Make up for something bad I did to others? Why? I DID NOTHING WRONG—-she was a goyim!”

    God pointed out again and again in the Bible how stiff-necked (stubborn) the Jews were at admitting they were wrong and doing penance for it. I can see why he gave up on them alone and moved on to letting in the goyim.

  10. Kyle says:

    “And I probably also wasn’t the only Jewish person whose second thought was, Given that he is Jewish, why does he have to have such a Jewish-sounding name?”

    Why oh why couldn’t he have changed it to something norman sounding like maxwell!

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Fashinthepan
  11. Yet…nowhere in any of this supposed Jewish self-reflection will you find an effort to shun the successful Jews who associated with Epstein. Dershowitz took more flack for defending Trump than he did for freely associating with this pederast POS.

    And to this day, we still hear about how Polanski was a martyr.

    We can accept that because of genetic flukes over several centuries, Indian Castes or the Roma have a high-degree of in-group loyalty. Can we not accept the exact same thing occurs within the Ashkenazi?

  12. to cringe when one of our own behaves in such a horrifying manner.

    One would think you’d be used to it by now. Wait a minute, did you just say “cringe”??

    As Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt once told me… it doesn’t matter how Jews behave.

    Well of course not! Hey, it’s almost like having a permanent “Get Out of Jail Free” card.

    How very convenient for you.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  13. Whiskey says: • Website
    @JimDandy

    Jewish power and influence are dramatically in the wane. As in Europe. Same reason non Whites.

    They hate hate hate Jews as the Whitest of Whites with ultra White ways. Jerry Seinfeld. Just look at him. Or Larry David. Everything they do kisses off non Whites.

    Oddly enough writer Chris Claremont addressed this issue in the X Men c comic s. Mutants would gain accept ance by heroically defending humans from evil mutan ts. Nice touch that. Because every 11 year old boy admires heroism.

    A lesson there.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Jim Christian
  14. @JimDandy

    That’s why I found it odd that Harvey Weinstein, Al Franken, Louis C.K. and many other members of the Tribe were so thoroughly hung out to dry by the MSM–and now Epstein. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime, and I wonder what it’s all about

    It’s because it was so over-the-top, I think. Weinstein, well, we all know about that; Franken, the SNL guy who was caught in a photo copping a feel of a model’s tits (and they are great tits, I’d write bad checks for her); and C.K., well he never made a thing of being a jew, though in hindsight, obvious later, jacked off in front of numerous women…. all kinds of creepy. Didn’t touch, didn’t force, but still.

    Well, who knows? Maybe Omar, AOC,

  15. Tusk says:

    One would think Jews being vastly overrepresented in NGO’s pumping the west with migrants was a rational reason to distrust them, but I’m glad all the same that it doesn’t matter to them, no matter what for griviences (real or imagined) Jews will kvetch for as long as they aren’t worshipped by the goyim.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  16. @Steve Sailer

    Roy Moore didn’t deserve it either.

  17. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I think the world of you. Al Franken would watch you burn to death and joke about it afterwards.
    He stole the election that got him his Senate Seat. He deserved it.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Marcus, JimB
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  18. Roger says:

    it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.

    This reminds me of the feminist theory that rape is not based on sexual attraction, but instead driven by misogyny and power.

    That theory would say that Epstein was not really attracted to young girls, but just wanted to exert power over them.

    And our disapproval of Epstein must be based on irrational anti-Semitism, and not what Epstein actually did.

  19. Thirdtwin says:

    “But cringing over Jewish deplorables…”

    aaaaand, there it is.

    The Son of Sam Pogrom was a shameful chapter in our nation’s history.

  20. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

  21. And I probably also wasn’t the only Jewish person whose second thought was, Given that he is Jewish, why does he have to have such a Jewish-sounding name?

    But how many Jewish people had the third thought that, given he has such a Jewish-sounding name, why did he have to make such a Jewish-sounding analogy to downplay his crimes?

    I’m not a sexual predator, I’m an offender. It’s the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel.

    https://nypost.com/2011/02/25/billionaire-jeffrey-epstein-im-a-sex-offender-not-a-predator/

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    , @Charon
  22. JimDandy says:

    He didn’t. And neither did C.K. I can’t really stand either of them, but not only were they punished–which was shocking–they were tremendously overpunished, which was what stunned me.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  23. @Steve Sailer

    He paid for Bill Clinton’s sins. Somebody had to. I won’t shed a tear for Al.

    Shortly after he left office, I crossed paths with him, and he flashed a grin. That was weird– habit, maybe? Instinct?

    A short time later, I met Norm Coleman, who just gave me a world-weary smile. He picked up when I told him I’d just met one of the reasons I voted for Norm.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @anonymous
  24. JimDandy says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Maybe now that cultural omnipotence has been achieved, an absolutist policy of circling the wagons any time an individual Tribe member gets jammed up is no longer necessary.

  25. Bill P says:

    This Lovy guy unintentionally exposes (lack of self-awareness?) the reason the Epsteins of the world can do what they do without any sense of guilt. If it’s all about “us Jews vs. the world” then what’s so wrong with defiling pubescent shiksas? I mean, they had it coming, those filthy daughters of Nazis, right?

    It isn’t “the Jews;” it’s “the Judaism.” So-called secular Judaism (nothing really secular about it) – which is really a form of neo-Manichaeism – is an absolutely vile, hateful belief system.

    Absent the indoctrination, Jews would be something like Armenians: smart, sometimes a headache, but ultimately a nice addition to our civilization.

  26. @JimDandy

    The internet is turning into a disaster for Jews. It is the ultimate dis-intermediary which is a big problem if your job is to get in between transactions. This is especially true if you control the media and depend on it to hide and punish your enemies. I am sure part of what is bothering Howard Lovey is that not only is Jeffrey Epstein’s exposure bad for his tribe’s image but it distracts of the more important mission of making the goys out to be Satan. We will resume our regularly scheduled programming tomorrow.

    • Agree: Rosie
  27. @Steve Sailer

    Sorry Steve. He had it coming. He would have gladly handed over any R to the pitchfork and torch-holding mob. Caught on camera groping a model’s tits. Can’t think of them names or circumstances offhand, but there were others who came foreward later. He’s a smart guy. He would have known the tit pic wouldn’t have alone done him under. There was likely other stuff.

    I get what you’re going at Steve. A pat on the ass, or a sex joke shouldn’t drive someone under. But Franken had something to hide. And keep in mind, he was a Clinton pal, so he knew he could weather just a tit pic storm.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  28. Sean says:

    Epstein paid out tens of millions in restitution to his previous accusers. That may have had something to do with the prosecution deciding they should accept a guilty plea on reduced charges. Paying damages is a o the victim is a thing to get charges reduced. Such a level of restitution as Epstein could make greatly weakens the prosecution’s hand .

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  29. https://jel.jewish-languages.org/words/499

    I’d never heard of Zoey Tur before today, but this product of 1960s Studio City made a stir in 2015 by threatening to send Ben Shapiro “home in an ambulance”.

    Zoey [sic; like “Caitlyn”, it’s misspelled] appears to have been born to illustrate neighbor Steve’s ideas about older, high-testosterone trannies.

    Zoey looks as if Patrick Swayze and Lisa Niemi not only married, but morphed into a single person.

  30. Forward is not a “modest magazine”. It is one of the two principal Jewish magazines in English (the other one being Tablet Magazine).

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @The Z Blog
  31. “But cringing over Jewish deplorables is at the end of the day something of a category error.”

    Everyone should carry a hickory stick. The second anyone says “at the end of the day,” crack them in the pate. No hesitation.

  32. @Tusk

    One of the most interesting claims I’ve been hearing all the time. I know of two cases of ethnic Jews “helping migrants” (Soros, then Ricker (sp?)), but not much more. Still, I haven’t seen the data or any convincing proof that “Jews” are somehow orchestrating or leading “migrant” invasion in Europe, especially via NGOs.

  33. @Reg Cæsar

    “Zoey” used to be Bob Tur. He was famous for covering the Rodney King riots from a news helicopter. Definitely a freak of nature sans gonads.

    His daughter Katy Tur was NBC’s Trump campaign reporter and dated Keith Olberman. Both of these lefties are extremely Jewish.

  34. Sean says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    High DHT for sure.

    Like a lot of Hollywood leading men, Patrick Swayze’ had an extremely sinister looking brother

    • Replies: @guest
  35. Lot says:

    “Personally, as somebody who has been criticized upon occasion, I find that criticism, while unpleasant, tends to make people better.”

    What are some specific examples of criticisms directed to your race and ethnicity that you have personally found unpleasant, but that made you a better person?

    I ask Steve, but I’d be curious for others’ examples too.

    Personally, I cannot think of any.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @donut
    , @Bill P
  36. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/business/economy/roland-fryer-harvard.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage&login=email&auth=login-email

    Top economist canceled at Harvard in a #metoo … but wait, he’s black … two years probation with pay should be enough punishment. Good luck if the Times ever covers the story again.

    By the way, whatever happened to those former Nike guys?

    How long until white Becky sexual harassment claimants against black guys are accused of white supremacy cultural discrimination against the varying ways of experiencing human relations that are part of a black male body’s lived experience?

  37. guest says:

    If antisemitism isn’t based on anything rational, what exactly is it based on? Where did it come from, and why did so many different people over the long arc of history contract this mental disease independently? Quite the fascinating mystery.

    Lipstadt, by the way, is lucky “holocaust denial” is objectively anything but 100% fidelity to the official line on certain events before and during WWII, even when the story changes. Because David Irving is one billion times the scholar she is, and she was a gnat bothering a golden lion.

    Hollywood in its dedication to the truth gave us voluptuous model-actress Rachel Weisz in the role of Lipstadt. About the only thing they have in common being the fact that they’re both female and Jewish.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Curmudgeon
  38. Lurker says:
    @Anon

    I was immediately struck by the similarities to this poisonous little fellow.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @donut
  39. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Probably not, but he didn’t deserve to be elected senator in the first place.

  40. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    This attitude/belief that, “It doesn’t matter what I do, they’ll hate me anyway!” is a very convenient excuse to mistreat others. I’m sure most of us have encountered a person like that.

    Left as an exercise for the reader is whether we see this play out in the Jewish community at large.

  41. @Dave Pinsen

    More generally, bringing Hitler into this isn’t helpful.

    Yep. And the herpes metaphor in this context does not show, what Lipstadt wants to show either: Because, well, there is a connection between getting herpes in the first place and actual sexual behavior (isn’t the porn industry quite Jewish, too?)

    (The reason, that Hitler is no easy subject, let alone an appropriate subject to contemplate prejudices and stuff, is because it troubles the clear mind to get into very high gear emotionally – that’s basically what one of the – in my humble eyes – sound and important findings in social psychology shows, namely the Yerkes-Dodson law, saying, that if the stress level rises way above normal, most people tend to gradually lose their ability to understand things properly.
    As Jackson Browne famously put in in Cocaine on Running on Empty: “It takes a clear mind to make it.” )

  42. Well, Mr. Lovey, could you tell your co-ethnics/religionists to not talk about “whites” as being collectively guilty?

    • Replies: @SFG
  43. guest says:

    “And played into the anti-semites’ hands”

    I must update my attitude while greeting the news of the day. Because I’m liable to forget we’re playing a perpetual high-stakes game for…something. Control of my emotional status cannot fall into the hands of mine enemies.

    So if I should ever be embarrassed by the actions of a Fellow White, I’ll ask myself, “Wait! Does this feeling benefit me or my people? Or have I fallen into a trap prepared by anti-me’s?”

    (This is what it’s like to live in their heads.)

  44. Off-Topic | from: https://www.adweek.com/digital/facebook-detailed-an-ambitious-5-year-diversity-and-inclusion-plan/

    Facebook Detailed an Ambitious 5-Year Diversity and Inclusion Plan
    The company wants to double women globally, African Americans and Hispanics in the U.S.

    By David Cohen
    |
    10 July 2019

    Facebook set a lofty diversity and inclusion goal for the next five years, saying that it is aiming for one-half of its workforce to be made up of women, African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, people with two or more ethnicities, people with disabilities and veterans.

    The company added that it intends to double the number of women globally and African Americans and Hispanics in the U.S. over that five-year timeframe.

    Global chief diversity officer Maxine Williams said in a Newsroom post introducing the company’s sixth annual diversity report, “It will be a company that reflects and better serves the people on our platforms, services and products. It will be a more welcoming community advancing our mission and living up to the responsibility that comes with it.”

    Women currently account for 36.9% of Facebook’s global workforce, up from 36.3% in 2018.

    Females hold 23% of technical roles at the company, up from 21.6% last year.

    On the business and sales side, 57.2% of Facebook’s positions are held by women, up slightly from 57% in 2018.

    She also pointed out that veterans now make up 2.2% of Facebook’s workforce, saying that the company’s programs on this front include a military skills translator to help veterans navigate opportunities and a mentorship program through its Vets and Allies Facebook Resource Group.

    Some 8% of U.S.-based Facebook employees identified as LGBTQ+ in a voluntary survey, Williams added.

    She concluded, “Getting it right is critical to Facebook and to the communities and countries where we work and live. We are dedicated and willing to try new things, and we’ll get there.”

  45. @Bill P

    This Lovy guy unintentionally exposes (lack of self-awareness?) the reason the Epsteins of the world can do what they do without any sense of guilt. If it’s all about “us Jews vs. the world” then what’s so wrong with defiling pubescent shiksas? I mean, they had it coming, those filthy daughters of Nazis, right?

    This is old “explanation”, but in my opinion not too persuasive.

    1. Jews are over-represented as producers, powerful media people etc. Usually, on attractiveness scale, they are…eh….better won’t comment. But- they’re powerful.

    2. most females in this biz (actresses etc.) are gorgeous & not Jewish (there are some great looking Jewesses, but they’re rare. When I think of Jewish female in that area, I think Barbra Streisand). Besides, I’ve never heard anyone, Jewish or not, had harassed Whoopi Goldberg or Kathy Bates.

    3. it’s perfectly natural that fugly looking males, any ethnic background, powerful showbiz males, want to taste the best looking pussy out there.

    4. so, Jews, being so prominent in these careers, will be naturally way over-represented as predators against best looking women in that area of entertainment (who, with a few negligible exceptions, tend to be of white European stock).

    5. perhaps there is a subliminal motive among some of those Jews to “get revenge to Nazi daughters”, but for most of them- I doubt it. They were just trying to “fulfill their erotic dreams”, which can be, from what I’ve read, divided into three categories:

    a) exhibitionism
    b) masturbation
    c) groping

    Actually, their sex fantasies are absurd & humiliating for themselves.

    6. I haven’t seen females in that profession complaining about the behavior of good-looking actors, directors etc? Leo DiCaprio groper? Clooney public wanker? Richard Gere exhibitionist?

    These Jewish producers were not waging their subversive ethnic warfare against noble Aryan race, but were trying to get as much sex as possible from very attractive…well, hos all around them (in Katherine Hepburn words, all actresses are hos).

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  46. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    “Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt says that.it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.”

    Power, money, control, dual loyalties. The mythology thereof.

    Not based on anything rational.

    The power and control perhaps refer to 2 percent versus what percent of media, academia, politics? Money, well Steve recently quantified the top 50 political contributors. Dual loyally maybe refers to Israel, and pressure not to prohibit second passports as many countries do: are Mexicans and Canadians behind that? No.

  47. @Dieter Kief

    In fairness to Jackson Browne, he said many much more lucid things on that record than your quote. Maybe not after that record, but give the man his due. It’s a keeper.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  48. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whoever did Tur’s facial feminization surgery owes her a refund.

  49. anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Some critiques:

    – NW Europeans approach geopolitics with universalism, wide-eyed enthusiasm and the ability to organize. This has caused a great deal of past suffering in the Americas and Africa, and most recently in the Middle East. Everyone would be better off if NW Europeans did not attempt to “rescue” cultures.

    – NW Europeans put way too high of a priority on courting in their teens and early 20’s, in which input from parents and grandparents is ignored. This is likely baked-in culturally and genetically, considering Romeo & Juliet has always been considered a tragedy in western cannon, as opposed to a tragicomedy about two moronic kids.

    – NW Europeans have a unique mix of intelligence, testosterone, and off-the-charts creativity. This has lead to major breakthroughs, but also a great number of atrocities.

    • Replies: @Lot
  50. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @South Texas Guy

    If we’re thinking of the same photo, he was pantomiming groping a woman who was wearing body armor at the time.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  51. Pericles says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Accurately summarized by the shiksas as ‘creeps’.

  52. @Anon

    It’s like watching a chihuahua yapping at a pitbull; you know how it’s going to end.

  53. guest says:
    @Sean

    Yeah, is it to late to put a buncha those guys in an A-Team type movie?

    • Replies: @Lot
  54. If somebody isn’t criticising you, you are either dead or not doing anything worth noticing. Of course, something being worth noticing can be good or bad.

  55. @Bardon Kaldian

    The lovely and talented actress Rachel Weisz said in 2001:

    “RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas. … In some way acting is prostitution, and Hollywood Jews don’t want their own women to participate. Also, there’s an element of Portnoy’s Complaint — they all fancy Aryan blondes.”

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/rachel-weisz-on-hollywood-moguls-view-of-shiksas/

  56. Pericles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Being a Senator of clown world, one would think Franken deserved a honk or two.

    I still retain an impression that he was hoist by his own petard for some reason. Perhaps some vile insane ranting about Trump and Russia or something?

  57. @Steve Sailer

    Franken didn’t deserve it.

    Not for that isolated event, but Franken was never really a nice guy. Iceberg Principle in action.

  58. @JimDandy

    As well as Epstein being Jewish, this attack on Epstein turns out to be an operation of very Jewish forces against him, and the question of ‘why now finally?’ points to the notion that the idea behind Epstein’s arrest, is for the authorities to hold some blackmail and intimidation over everyone, such as President Trump, who knew Jeffrey Epstein or flew on his ‘Lolita Express’. Consider –

    Daily Beast is the media leading the charge against Epstein now with ‘insider scoops’ from prosecutors … Daily Beast was founded in 2008 by Jewish media kingpin Barry Diller, & Tina Brown ‘who has Jewish grand-father’

    On 30 June during the USA 2016 election, The Daily Beast ran a ‘heads up, everyone’ story about how the Jeffrey Epstein files, could destroy either the Clintons or Donald Trump
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton

    Epstein’s New York lead prosecutor Geoffrey Berman is Jewish, joined by US Assistant Attorney Maurene Comey, daughter of of scandal-tainted former FBI Director and Hillary Clinton partisan James Comey, who had been fired by Donald Trump

    Maurene Comey recently married into a Jewish Zionist family, her husband Lucas Issacharoff, son of Samuel Issacharoff, who has taught at Tel Aviv University as well as in the USA

    In the 2008 ‘deal’ after Epstein’s 2007 indictment, ultra-Zionist Alan Dershowitz was a leading lawyer brokering that deal

    Now Dershowitz seems to have sabotaged Epstein, Dershowitz arguing in court that Epstein files should be unsealed and made public … Dershowitz won that battle in a US federal appeals court 2 July, 4 days before Epstein was arrested
    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    Dershowitz claimed he was trying to defend himself but that seems silly … Epstein files cannot ‘prove a negative’ that Dershowitz never abused underage girls, there can only be a lack of evidence … and clearly Dershowitz is deeply connected with Epstein

    Wikipedia, run by Jewish ex-pornographer Jimmy Wales, attending intimate birthday parties of Israeli presidents, has edited Epstein’s biography to delete the USA Democrats connected with Epstein … and also to delete any references that Epstein is Jewish
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-09/jeffrey-epsteins-wikipedia-page-stealth-edited-remove-ties-democrats
    https://voat.co/v/news/3322799
    EU Police Agency and Prosecutor Report on Wikipedia, an Intel Agency Fraud
    http://pastebin.com/BeppgiMJ

    Trump’s cabinet Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, who was the US federal prosecutor who in 2008, granted Jeffrey Epstein his ‘sweet deal’ for a light sentence despite the horrendous under-age sex trafficking charges – claims he was ordered to go easy on Epstein to benefit ‘intelligence services’, un-named, but obviously USA & Israel
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight

    Raising the question of how much these ‘intelligence services’ are still involved re Epstein

    The source of Jeffrey Epstein’s fortune seems to be tied to his 1990s patron, Jewish billionaire Les Wexner, who was part of a group of Jewish billionaires always working to see what they could do for Israel

    The theory goes that Epstein was set up with artificial wealth, precisely so as to run this big Mossad ‘honeypot’ operation setting up major political figures to be filmed with underage girls, and thus blackmailed

    Indeed it’s worth asking as to why someone with Epstein’s money and sexual interests, always sought to involve so many others instead of just keeping it a more ‘private’ activity. So as to ‘Why Arrest Jeffrey Epstein Now?’
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/07/what-behind-epstein-arrest-now.html

    Arguably, it is to have the Epstein files & videotapes serve as a blackmail tool on all those Lolita Express flyers, and Epstein ‘pals’ such as Donald Trump … now said to have been at a special quasi-private party with more than two dozen girls and Epstein, in the 1990s
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

  59. Lot says:
    @anon

    “NW Europeans have a unique mix of intelligence, testosterone, and off-the-charts creativity. This has lead to major breakthroughs, but also a great number of atrocities.”

    Hard hitting! Ok my turn for some self criticism. I am very handsome and intelligent. While this is mostly pretty great and leads me to live a productive and virtuous life, at times it also leads me to be atrociously insensitive to others.

  60. @Diversity is Great!

    In other words, “It’s already built, everyone important is already filthy rich, and we just want to pretend our prior (unspoken, but real) prejudices didn’t exist.

  61. Pericles says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Don’t forget Barbara Lerner Spectre or Wesley Clark. I’m sure there are more if we start digging.

  62. Pericles says:
    @Lurker

    Very New York, very Seinfeld.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @SFG
  63. Pericles says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Yep. And the herpes metaphor in this context does not show, what Lipstadt wants to show either: Because, well, there is a connection between getting herpes in the first place and actual sexual behavior (isn’t the porn industry quite Jewish, too?)

    The simile just came to her very naturally.

  64. @Dave Pinsen

    “Were the Jews massacred at, say, Babi Yar killed because the Nazis thought they had too much money, power, or dual loyalties? Seems unlikely.”

    You might be surprised.

    Before the outbreak of WWII, it would certainly be fair to say that, yes, Nazis did believe that Jews had too much money, influence and power. Most certainly. And they were right.

    Jews were instrumental in bringing the US into a European conflict (WWI) on the side of the British when an honorable and fair armistice could have been negotiated in 1916. The international Jewish effort to bring America into the Great War was a strategic response to Britain’s 1917 promise (Balfour Declaration) to give the Zionists Palestine if they would usher in US power on behalf of Britain. Later, Jewish ‘representatives’ were at Versailles when an unjust and one-sided punishment was imposed upon Germany.

    Germans and Nazis were also well aware of the pivotal role played by Jews in financing and fomenting the Communist takeover of Russia in 1917 as well as the spread of communism after the Russian/Bolshevik Revolution. Millions perished. The commie perpetrators were never brought to justice. Many commie Jews successfully immigrated into the US and the Americas.

    And surely the Germans were well aware that international Jewry was leading the charge to dismember NSDP Germany many years before the outbreak of WWII. Organized Jewish aggression was persistent and ruthless well before the start of WWII.

    It stands to reason that international Jewry was also in full support of the massive Allied, aerial bombing of such German cities as Kassel, Darmstadt, Pforzheim, German-occupied Swinoujscie (Poland), Berlin, Dresden, and Hamburg during WWII.

    During these campaigns, hundreds of thousands of German woman and children were deliberately targeted and burned alive. The glorious ‘Good War’ was a genuine holocaust.

    Though the Germans sought a negotiated settlement well before the war’s end, the ruthless and powerful Anglo-Zionist leaders on both sides of the Atlantic demanded ‘Unconditional Surrender’ from Germany.

    These horrific and sadistic events surely affected the treatment given to some captured Jews at Babi Yar and elsewhere.

    In war, mass murder is contagious.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  65. @Steve Sailer

    It doesn’t piss me off that Jews run Hollywood, but it does piss me off that it can’t be spoken of, or the implications of it. Same with the national news media. Local media still does a pretty decent job. Or I guess, same with banking, and political donations.

    Maybe if we were all allowed to say this stuff openly without fear of professional retribution (most people, middle class anyway, couldn’t care less about losing friends over this) it would make the country stronger. But, alas, it devolves into the old saw about paronoia.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @ATBOTL
    , @Hunsdon
  66. @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, Dave, but still bad. Judge them by their own rules. Also, there was other stuff. He wouldn’t have resigned just over that.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  67. @Steve Sailer

    … In some way acting is prostitution, and Hollywood Jews don’t want their own women to participate.

    Then, they basically differ from other Jews. Which I don’t find very convincing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonse_Pogrom

    In the second half of the 19th century, prostitution, sex trafficking, and sexual slavery became widespread in Warsaw.[12] These activities were mostly dominated by the Jewish underworld, and their existence caused much tension and controversy within Warsaw’s Polish-Jewish community.[12] While in Congress Poland and Warsaw, overall, 72.7% prostitutes were Catholic and 21.36% were Jewish, in Warsaw the proportion of Jewish prostitutes was much higher. In 1874 two-thirds of all registered prostitutes in Warsaw were Jewish.[13] In 1889 around 75% of all brothels in Warsaw were run by Jews

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwi_Migdal
    …………..
    The Zwi Migdal organization operated from the 1860s to 1939. After the First World War, it had four hundred members in Argentina. Its annual turnover was fifty million dollars at the turn of the century. Its center was Buenos Aires, with branch offices in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Santos), United States (New York City), Poland (Warsaw), South Africa, India and China.[8]

    The Zwi Migdal Organization reached its peak in the 1920s: 430 ruffians, or pimps, controlled 2,000 brothels with 4,000 women in Argentina alone.[9] The organization’s success stemmed from the fact that its members were bound by rules that were “based on order, discipline, and honesty.” The network was well-organized and members cooperated closely to protect their interests.

    The organization lured girls and young women from Europe in several ways. For instance, a well-mannered and elegant-looking man would appear in a poor Jewish village in Poland or Russia.[10] He would advertise his search for young women to work in the homes of wealthy Jews in Argentina by posting an ad in the local synagogue. Fearful of pogroms and often in desperate economic circumstances, the parents would send their daughters away with these men, hoping to give them a fresh start. Another popular ruse was to find pretty girls and marry them, usually in a ceremony known as a “shtille chupah” (Yiddish expression meaning a quick wedding ceremony).[11] The girls bade their families farewell and boarded ships to Argentina believing that they were on their way toward a better future. Their period of training as sex slaves often started on the ship. Some of them were married off to local men so that they could obtain entry visas.

    Prostitutes who failed to satisfy their clients were beaten, fined or sent to work in provincial houses. Every business transaction was logged. The ruffians held a “meat market” in which newly arrived girls were paraded naked in front of traders in places such as Hotel Palestina and Cafe Parisienne. These activities went on undisturbed because the brothels were frequented by government officials, judges and journalists. City officials, politicians and police officers were bribed.
    The pimps had powerful connections everywhere. The largest brothels in Buenos Aires housed as many as 60 to 80 sex slaves. Although there were brothels all over Argentina, most were in Buenos Aires, in the Jewish quarter on Junin Street.

    • Replies: @inertial
  68. @Pericles

    New York’s full of people like that. Each one more entitled and self-righteous than the next. And yeah, ugly.

  69. @Brabantian

    The Netanyahus, father and son, are playing up the Epstein scandal because he is connected to rival former PM Barak.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  70. @Ozymandias

    Also for ‘having said that’ and its convoluted sister, ‘that being said’. Said crack on (not ‘in’, please note) the pate being accompanied by the words ‘What is wrong with “but”?’

  71. @South Texas Guy

    Well, I don’t know Rachel Weisz from Megan Markle, but the lady does speak the truth. Probably feels safe, like Neal Gabler or Joel Stein.

    “Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten.”

  72. El Dato says:
    @Diversity is Great!

    The company added that it intends to double the number of women globally and African Americans and Hispanics in the U.S. over that five-year timeframe.

    What are they going to do with all of those people? Content management? Data trawling? Internal mock juries, scrum-style, to decide who shall be considered “dangerous”?

    Judge, jury & executioner: Facebook policy permits death threats against ‘dangerous individuals’

    OT: What kind of craven self-serving hypocritical retardation is this?

    US threatens France over proposed ‘unfair’ tax on Silicon Valley tech giants

    Unfair? I hope France blows the lid off the “Silicon Valley tech giants” and dumps salt on smoking remains using glorious Rafale fighters. It would be a great parting shot before it sinks beneath the waves forever.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  73. Duke84 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That dude Zoey Tur is weird looking.

  74. @Steve Sailer

    Yes, and as Bibi has enough scandals of his own, he needs to be pointing the finger at Barak for domestic political reasons.

  75. El Dato says:

    This article should be entitled “Crypsis Failure”.

  76. @JimDandy

    Historical parallel: Jews forced out of NAACP in the 1960s.

    Hillare Belloc, I believe it was, wrote about the expulsion of the Jewish population from so many places at one time or another. His comment on motive was that eventually the natives say “I will be Master in my own House” and expel everybody (for Spain it was believers in Islam and Judaism) who disagrees with that statement. Ordinarily, the “Master in my own House” comes because the guests have turned both predatory and weak. The NAACP looks like another instance of that, and so does the current affair.

    Looking into the details, the various POC groups are fighting the Democratic leadership, threatening (essentially) to not vote. The Democrats have built a party out of what amount to swing voters (Blacks, disaffected women, immigrants, the coalition of the fringes)), who are in it for the money (combat, glory, and the loot of Empire doesn’t motivate without the loot part) and will therefore leave the coalition freely and for trivial reasons (e.g. not voting for Hillary for racial reasons). They again see the endgame of such a strategy: all the swing votes ask more than they can be given, and many swing away. The Weinstein case was an attempt to buy off the disaffected women with a sacrificial goat, an attempt that caused considerable collateral damage that has not yet ended. The Epstein case seems to be an attempt to prevent disaffected women from leaving the Democratic party and prevent non-disaffected women who do not vote now from voting against the Democratic Party.
    So why not simple suppression? The media has wasted its credibility by attacking Trump. The Internet remains, and will be believed when it points to something, shouts, and displays evidence. Suppression is useless.

    Looks like the American Golden Age is coming to an end for the Jewish establishment, and maybe several other establishments as well. The old “We got the living s*** kicked out of us many times, and that makes us good guys even if we do beat the s*** out of you” bit is getting old. “Losing” is not a synonym for “virtuous”.

    Story from “Guys and Dolls”. Person speaking is a Chicago gangster and hit man, pretending to convert to Christianity (for plot reasons).
    “I was a rotten kid, always beating people up and taking things, but I promised to reform. And I did! And I can prove it! I have 3o arrests _and no convictions_!”

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Jack D
  77. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    “A wild Bagel Boss Boss appears. Do you want to [F]ight or [R]un away?”

    • Replies: @SFG
  78. astrolabe says:

    We have a similar problem in the UK: the perception that Pakistani muslims rape a lot of English girls. But what the Pakistanis have to realise is that it doesn’t matter how many girls they rape because the prejudice against them is wholly irrational and has nothing to do with their behaviour.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @J
    , @Chrisnonymous
  79. Lurker says:
    @guest

    I looked up Deborah Lipstadt’s Twitter a while ago, expecting her to be weighing in on assorted historical debates. Turns out she’s merely a vocal SJW Twitter troll/nuisance permanently kvetching about the (((Current Year))) issues.

    https://twitter.com/deborahlipstadt?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Deborah Chutzpah.

  80. @JMcG

    Al Franken would watch you burn to death and joke about it afterwards.
    He stole the election that got him his Senate Seat. He deserved it.

    In a karmic sense, yes, he deserved it. For that particular behavior, no.

  81. Logan says:


    It’s natural to feel shame when one of our own turns out to be a villain, just as it’s natural to feel pride when one of our own is successful in politics, sports or entertainment. The thing is, that shame is playing by the anti-Semites’ rules. It’s assuming a collective responsibility for one man’s actions.

    Logically speaking, it is every bit as illogical to feel the pride as the shame.

    Does this rejection of “collective responsibility for one man’s actions” apply to all groups or only the Jews? Can we abandon the idea that white men as a group are responsible for all the world’s ills, and therefore that individual white men should feel guilty?

  82. @nobodyofnowhere

    It’s being in with the tribe. Fun fact. Kathy Lee Giffords’ father was and Epstein, a converted jew to Christianity. Who, if caught in something scandalous would not have been afforded the same protection as Clinton, and, probably, many others.

  83. Charon says:
    @Lurker

    Can’t be bothered to read her blather, but Twitter in general appears to bring out the worst, in the worst people.

  84. SFG says:
    @JimDandy

    No hegemony lasts forever.

    I’d guess here, as others have said, the Internet decreases the value of controlling legacy media, and a lot of what these guys are doing was too much to tolerate.

    Also a lot of it’s a women-versus-men thing; Epstein and Weinstein were genuinely bad, but the Franken flap was pure opportunism by Gillibrand (who appears to have paid a price for it as embedded in most criticisms of her is that few men are going to vote for her). All this feminism is blowing up in upper-class men’s face, as you might expect. And electing a president with three wives and numerous affairs is having the effect on the Willa Cather/Carrie Nation types you’d expect. America has always had censorious and misandristic women, they just seem to be crusading exclusively against male vice now.

  85. Charon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s all about you, is that what you’re saying?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Reg Cæsar
  86. SFG says:
    @Redneck farmer

    You’ve got the commenters on here. 6,999,995 to go.

    Seriously, I think they’re trying to keep their own status in the left, which is increasingly getting more ‘intersectional’ and hostile to anyone with a white skin. (Look at all the old white Dems who got tossed out.) “Oh, look, we’re not like those other bad white people!” This is a huge subtext in a lot of Forward articles–what if we get kicked out of the left? The horror!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Colin Wright
  87. Charon says:
    @Brabantian

    Wikipedia, run by Jewish ex-pornographer Jimmy Wales, attending intimate birthday parties of Israeli presidents, has edited Epstein’s biography to delete the USA Democrats connected with Epstein … and also to delete any references that Epstein is Jewish

    Between Wiki, Google and Facebook, the so-called “news” is pretty well sewn up I’d say. Great contribution BTW. Should be its own article here.

  88. @Diversity is Great!

    Facebook Detailed an Ambitious 5-Year Diversity and Inclusion Plan

    The five-year plans for the development of the national economy of the Soviet Union (USSR) … consisted of a series of nationwide centralized economic plans in the Soviet Union, beginning in the late 1920s. The Soviet state planning committee Gosplan developed these plans based on the theory of the productive forces that formed part of the ideology of the Communist Party for development of the Soviet economy. Fulfilling the current plan became the watchword of Soviet bureaucracy….

    Several Soviet five-year plans did not take up the full period of time assigned to them: some were pronounced successfully completed earlier than expected, while others failed and were abandoned. Altogether, Gosplan launched thirteen five-year plans. The initial five-year plans aimed to achieve rapid industrialization of the Soviet Union and thus placed a major focus on heavy industry. The first one, accepted in 1928 for the period from 1929 to 1933, finished one year early. The last five-year plan, for the period from 1991 to 1995, was not completed, since the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.

    I predict that facebook’s Five-Year Diversity and Inclusion Plan will not be pronounced successfully completed earlier than expected.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  89. SFG says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Makes you wonder how much of it’s genetic. I can’t remember any of that, and confession made sense to me (in fact I wound up doing it at bad times), so maybe it’s how you’re raised? I think my mom was from Latin America and didn’t hang out with other Jewish people so she never got the whole anti-white memo (she actually had that as one of her complaints about the Dems lately).

    I still remember, decades ago, a Jewish guy and his girlfriend at a party shortly after Christmas in the suburbs wanted to go knock down all the Christmas decorations. I was like, “1. that’s vandalism 2. WTF did those people next door do to you? (he didn’t live nearby so it wasn’t someone who could have done something to him) 3. keep this up and we’ll get genocided again”. I tried to talk them out of it (and failed).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  90. @Lurker

    Just read the comments section:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/feh-top-holocaust-scholar-pans-netanyahu-for-warm-ties-to-poland-hungary/

    ‘Feh!’ Top Holocaust scholar pans Netanyahu for warm ties with Poland, Hungary

    • Replies: @guest
    , @SFG
  91. Tom Verso says:
    @Anon

    Call me a pre-Vatican II alter-boy if you will; but, I felt nothing but sorry for this poor albeit misguided ‘little’ fellow and contempt for the would be Superman fighting for ‘justice’.

    • Replies: @SFG
  92. SFG says:
    @Whiskey

    I don’t entirely agree on David or Seinfeld (though I do think they show conservative leanings, which may be why so much of their comedy was apolitical social observation), but I do agree about the decline being due to the increasingly ‘intersectional’ left. As watching the Kashuv or Donald Sterling cases shows you, being Jewish doesn’t get you a lot of Wokemon points and does not exempt you from being ‘racist’.

    The money and connections are useful for promoting left-wing causes, but to lefties under 30, you count as white.

  93. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    Ha! I’m old enough to be a Combat/Wait/Flee/Parlay guy.

  94. SFG says:
    @Pericles

    New York, yeah. You know the one canonical New York joke (“how many NYers does it take to change a lightbulb?” “Nunnaya-f***ing-business!”).

    Seinfeld would have done a five-minute standup routine about how street musicians aren’t as good as they used to be.

    It’s probably a sign of a misplaced conservative instinct that the hexagonal street tiles in the background make me feel homesick.

  95. donut says:
    @Lurker

    That guy is all mouth AND trousers .

  96. @Chatterboxx

    The second thing one notices though, certainly in the area of war mongering vs non-interventionism, is Jewish over-representation on the side of earnest opposition to rapacious power.

  97. SFG says:
    @Anon

    Ironically, I was with the guy until he started picking fights with people. Women *do* hate short guys.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
  98. donut says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Kill them all and let God sort them out .

  99. Brutusale says:
    @South Texas Guy

    If you can honk on Arianna Huffington’s hooters and have her defend you as it all being in good fun, what’s the problem?

    https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/al-franken-arianna-huffington-groping/2017/11/21/id/827467/

    How many other women were victims of such good, clean fun?

  100. @SFG

    You’ve got the joke wrong. (Said the annoying New Yorker.)

    The correct version is:

    Q: How many New Yorkers does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A: What am I, a fucking information booth?

  101. @Whiskey

    Jewish power and influence are dramatically in the wane. As in Europe. Same reason non Whites.

    Concur. In fact, so too does AIPAC, or maybe ADL. One or the other did a poll looking for anti-Semitism among ethnic groups. Guess who the least anti-Semitic ethnic group was? That’s right, White Christians who believe Jews are The Chosen. Outside of Muslims, guess who the Number two most anti-Semitic ethnic group is? Blacks. We know this from Dick Gregory and Richard Wright, author of the book “Nigger” and also Jesse Jackson, who considers NYC to be Heimie-town. Just behind them? Recent immigrants from Mexico/South-Central America, who are 52% indifferent toward the plight of Jews and over 30% abjectly hostile toward Jews. I guess they missed out on their heaping helping of the Holocaust revisions beginning in the 60s when all Whites are painted as Nazis.

    Once their goal of crushing out the Whites is accomplished, where do the Jews go from here? Europe will be Muslim, White Christians will have no power (and likely will be fed up with the whole Hebrew thing anyway), Blacks, Hispanics, no one will entertain their shrill wailing and in fact, will likely hunt them down. Their strategy is lousy, they’re following a path that leaves their own children with no place to go and no one to protect them. No one will entertain their paranoia.

    How did all this make sense? They’ve deliberately crushed the very people who have been their protectors the past 80 years or so. Any Heebs around to explain that?

    • Replies: @bored identity
  102. @Steve Sailer

    Judging only by the photo evidence, Biden should’ve been Bidened – and Biden should be permanently Frankened.

  103. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Doesn’t Norm Coleman (whose greatest public service came as George Galloway’s piñata) versus Al Franken exemplify the meaninglessness of national politics?

    • Replies: @guest
  104. @Anon

    Twitter is great for giving us a look into the hive mind of a large swath of North American White chicks. It’s worth having a look at how they got the daggers out for that obnoxious little Noo Yawker in the bagel shop. They really seem incapable of recognising that the Bagel Boss guy can be in the wrong and sexually unattractive and be a human being who’s obviously deserving of some sympathy. Just one small sliver of it would be nice. Nope, prickly White lady has given it all to people who aren’t White guys:

  105. Corvinus says:
    @Chatterboxx

    “No, it’s a collective responsibility for an ethnic group’s collective actions.”

    Actually, it’s about individual behavior that some people claim represents an entire population. That perspective is generally based on confirmation bias. Otherwise, based on your own logic, then we can safely assume that the French are treacherous beasts who continue to suck the lifeblood out of their former colonial possessions.

    http://theconversation.com/france-and-africa-macrons-rhetoric-shouldnt-be-confused-with-reality-77997

    “The “metoo” movement’s target demographic of assholes are extremely over-represented by Jewish Men.”

    Sources?

    “Gaining advantage via eliberate obfuscation is a standard negative Jewish stereotype.”

    That is classic attribution theory on your part.

    • Replies: @peterike
  106. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m not so sure. If you dropped him into a prison he’d be labeled, “kiddie fiddler or rapist” in a heartbeat. He might not be, but his face and manner screams it.

  107. @Cagey Beast

    Twitter also allows us to communicate with people living in alternate universes. Remarkable!

  108. Corvinus says:

    “Here’s an essay by an obscure writer in a modest magazine, so don’t treat it as authoritative. Still, in its artlessness, it makes clear the conventional wisdom: some people are above criticism.”

    Wow, a two-fer!

    Sailer’s “Plausible Undeniability”–Incorporate “winks and nods” in the title or narrative for your audience t understand your alleged stone cold truth is in reality wild speculation.

    Sailer Pro Bono–Accuse your opponent of exactly the machinations you allegedly disdain, yet religiously employ.

  109. When I was growing up in England antisemitism just seemed like something from history books, like the massacre of 150 Jews–the entire Jewish community– in York in 1190, a time apparently of a lot of antisemitic feeling related to the Crusades, not to mention the opportunistic factor of being able to wipe out debts owed to Jews by Christians.

    Then there were various pogroms of the Middle Ages during periods of great social agitation caused by the Black Death, culminating in the expulsion of Jews from Spain by the Spanish Inquisition in 1492, the year in which Columbus also sailed the ocean blue amidst stories that Jews had abducted and crucified a Christian child.

    All really the same kind of thing as when Idi Amin expelled the Indian commercial class from Uganda, bred of the kind of superstitious hysteria that fueled the Salem Witch Hunt.

    But by the time of the rational, secular, swinging Britain of the 1960’s when Acts of God were largely confined to insurance company language, it was all bygones, nobody was seriously Christian any more, and if it was reported at all that the Beatles’ manager Brian Epstein (now there is a name to conjure with) was Jewish, it only had the same force as if mentioning that he was Welsh or Irish, so someone who had the misfortune of not being fully English, but given a pass as long as they behaved correctly and maintained silence during the national anthem.

    And when York Minster was hit by lightning in 1984 and burned to the ground, or more recently Notre Dame cathedral, nobody blamed the Jews any more.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927171/York-Minster-cathedrals-rise-ashes-1984-fire-inspires-hope-Notre-Dame.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @William Badwhite
  110. JimDandy says:
    @Brabantian

    Ok, then, wild theory: there is an Intra-Zionist struggle going and the far-far right Zionists see powerful entertainment-world Jews like Weinstein and Franken as liabilities because they are too in bed with American lefties to back the expulsion of Palestinians from the occupied territories to make way for Greater Israel.

  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A by-no-means exhaustive list:

    https://www.hias.org/work/resettling-refugees

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/never-again-action-ice-protests_n_5d1cc0abe4b0f312567d7267

    https://www.jfcspgh.org/category/jfcs-immigration-legal-services/

    https://jfssd.org/our-services/refugees-immigration/

    http://ajhs.org/immigration-matters-jews-other-immigrants-and-america

    https://www.jfsseattle.org/get-help/refugee-and-immigrant-services/

    https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/discrimination/immigrant-refugee-rights

    https://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/

    Also, you talk about Soros and Ricker as if they are just isolated individuals. Soros is a billionaire, who puts a large fraction of his fortune behind his nation-wrecking schemes. Ricker is a member of an organization that coaches “refugees” to say the right things to gain admittance to Europe; she just happens to be the one who got caught on tape admitting it.

  112. fnn says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I hope you acquire a sense of humor in your next life.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  113. Jews are great sensualists in real life, men and women both. I recognize that aspect in my own sexual life. I suggest that the jew hatred expressed here and elsewhere comes from envy of their requited sensuality. Ressentiment explains a great deal.

  114. Ibound1 says:
    @SFG

    I don’t know. I’m only 5’9 or almost used to be (5’8 by now). My wife loves me but she’s only 5’2 though, so she might not know I’m short.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  115. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “Franken didn’t deserve it.”

    He deserved it because he was our enemy, and enemies deserve no mercy – facts and circumstances be damned. This guy would have thrown you and your whole family to the wolves without a moment’s hesitation and then later written a book bragging about it; NYTs #1 bestseller: Steve Sailer is a Big Fat Lying Liar! Taking pity on these people is like feeding a ravenous bear a salmon with your hand. It’s dangerous and not worth the risk. You may feel sorry for the cute, cuddly bear’s circumstances, but it’s still a dangerous enemy that may turn on you in a moment’s notice – horribly maiming you or worse. Best not to take chances. Don’t feed the bears and don’t feel sorry for the progressives.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @RW
    , @MBlanc46
  116. Ragno says:

    If Debbie Lipstadt, who resembles the love child of Ernest Borgnine and Dr Ruth Westheimer, succeeds in her latest campaign to tie all criticism of Jewish crimes and transgressions to that battle-ax of the mind “Auntie Semitism”, in which even the mildest public scolding of influence-peddling pedophiles can (fingers crossed) have the iconoclast facing criminal charges (and prison time!) – at least in Europe…..for now – it will represent her greatest triumph since stripping Europe’s most learned military historian of all human rights and dignity, while simultaneously blowing the shofar announcing that all of said historian’s painstaking research is now PD for anyone who cares to steal it, with no public accreditation of the source required (indeed, even attempting to acknowledge Emmanuel Goldberg via footnotes might seriously imperil one’s future publishing prospects).

    The moral of the story is that there is no moral to this story; but if you plan on putting Posterity in a chokehold, then you should save most of your dum-dum bullets for the Court of Public Opinion, Hollywood Division, where everyone in central casting wears a kippah and the actor who most closely resembles the real-life Lipstadt somehow – surprise, surprise – ends up playing David Irving instead.
    https://i.postimg.cc/y8BFf7c2/image.jpg

  117. neutral says:

    After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews.

    This has to be the worlds biggest lie, I can provide a very big list of behavior to prove this wrong.

  118. The ability of the ostensibly well-educated to reason away discernible, documented realities like Race while also positing that something like “Anti-Semitism” is a timeless, Platonic ideal existing somewhere in a precise form with precise causes never ceases to amaze me.

  119. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You should put your name on the transplant list for a sense of humor. Apparently, yours has failed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  120. peterike says:

    Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties

    Well he’s technically correct. The “mythology” is indeed about secret Jewish power. The reality is that its in your face, all the time, and no secret at all to anyone who opens their eyes. You can find a hundred examples a day of it. Nobody even tries to hide it. It just can’t be mentioned. And the fact that you can’t mention it further validates Jewish “power, money, control.”

    But cringing over Jewish deplorables

    Lol! Such a careful word choice! Yes, whenever you have a bad Jew, they must be, you know, a Trump voter.

  121. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that modern English attitudes toward the Jews are colored by the fact that there just aren’t that many of them compared to the US (only 1/2% of the population). When my daughter was in middle school, her school had an exchange program with a similar school in Cambridge. The difference was that in her school, as is typical for a school in an upscale suburb in the NE Corridor, maybe 1/4 of the girls were Jewish while in Cambridge there were few or none. All the non-Jewish American girls had been to numerous bat mitzvahs, knew what matzoh was, etc. – they had been around Jews their entire life. But for the English girls, Jews might as well have been Zoroastrians or Martians – they had just not been exposed to their culture before. They just didn’t mean anything to them, good or bad.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  122. J says: • Website
    @astrolabe

    The Pakistani criminals seduced and prostituted lumpen, marginal White girls in England. For profit.

    Epstein paid (a lot) to underage amateur prostitutes to enjoy luxury trips in his jet. It reminds me Berlusconi’s bunga-bunga parties. Not the same thing.

    One of Dickens characters, a London clubman, lamented that sexually mature and desirable girls were unapproachable to wealthy men like him, and their virginity was being taken by violent 16 years olds in a back alley.

    The whole Epstein episode reminds me to White’s Bonfire of Vanities, where a prominent millionaire is the designated prey of a media carnival of sanctimonious scandal.

  123. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, if the Jews know that anti-Semitism comes from mythologies of Jewish power, control, and dual loyalties, and if it really bothers them so much, they could always choose to eschew power, control, and dual loyalties, couldn’t they? Just sort of stay out of politics and the media, and just mind their own business.

    But they don’t do that, do they? So presumably all the power and control they have are more important to them than anti-Semitism.

    Of course, there are lots of Jews that don’t have any power or control in politics or the media or anything, but those Jews should be blaming the ones who do have them for all the criticism they get, instead of blaming the people who notice it.

  124. Jack D says:
    @R.G. Camara

    It is little wonder Jews completely cannot understand (or pretend not to understand) the Orthodox/Catholic concepts of confession. In Jackie Mason voice: “Feel guilty?

    Yes, it’s not like “Jewish guilt” is a thing with its own Wikipedia page or anything. Doesn’t exist. Who ever heard of it?

  125. BB753 says:

    Damage control. It reminds me of the Maddoff affair. Suddenly, he was deprived of his Jewish ethnicity by the MSM. Jews can do no wrong.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  126. @South Texas Guy

    By Orthodox Jewish standards Louis C.K. is not Jewish. His mother is a goy, and he was not raised Jewish. I’m not even sure his father’s mother was Jewish, I think she was Mexican. Louis is genetically and culturally more Boston Irish than anything else. Even his humor is more Boston Irish than Jewish.

  127. Their assimilation is definitely reversing. Where is Larry David? The country needs him to add that self-consciousness and humility back to the community.

  128. it doesn’t matter how Jews behave. Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.

    This stuff no longer amazes me–it’s just the Jewish thing.

    There is animosity directed at some group simple because they are competetiors for territory. (Or heck in personal relations competition for a woman, a man, a job, etc.)

    But, of course, the negative opinions directed at *every* group–Irish, Italians, blacks, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Russians, Arabs, Mexicans, English …–especially the opinions that keep cropping up again and again are precisely because other groups recognize and don’t like some particular and/or stereotypical behavior.

    It may be a behavior your group doesn’t want to change. But it’s not some fantasy. Irish do drink and brawl. The mafioso are real. Blacks do commit a lot of crime and other public disorder. The Japanese did bomb Pearl Harbor (or ravage China) ….

    Nobody likes to admit their failings or their groups’ failings/sins. But the smarter people in the group at least recognize “oh yeah, relative to other’s we’ve got these issues or we’re kind of like this”. Again, they may think those behaviors are overall a good thing–“who they are”. But they don’t operate under some kind of delusion.

    But apparently Jews really are the special people. Jews are the one group in human history where everyone else’s observations about them … have absolutely nothing to do with their attitudes toward Jews.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    , @J
  129. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Did he deserve it for what he actually did? Lose his Senate seat for clowning around and pantomiming a grope of a busty model (who was wearing protective body armor at the time)? Absolutely not – that was just MeToo hysteria from the same people who now want Epstein to serve 99 life sentences – if we had a death penalty, they’d want them both executed too. When you are the grip of hysteria, all offenses are capital crimes. Off with his head! It’s partly his own fault – he should have just hung on. Northam in Virginia stuck it out until the hysteria died down and now he seems relatively safe.

    But as others have said, he maybe “deserved” it in the karmic sense, for being a Leftist and a jerk. It’s hard to shed a lot of tears when the Revolution eats its own.

  130. Stogumber says:

    Strictly speaking, “shanda fur di goyim” ought to be translated as “shame before the goyim”, not “for the goyim”.
    I remember to have read that psychiatrists have a terminus technicus for people, who can’t recognize a connection between their own behaviour and the reaction of others. This seems to be a particular Jewish problem, but I can’t remember the exact word.

  131. @Bill P

    Jews would be something like Armenians: smart, sometimes a headache, but ultimately a nice addition to our civilization..

    How many Armenians do you know personally? I would rather live with Jews, and I think a lot of Russians feel the same way. Here is a very recent example of Armenian emigre home life (if unclear in the article, this family is an Armenian immigrant family, typical of the quality humans Putin and pals keep encouraging to move to Moscow):

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-judge-denies-reprieve-for-sisters-who-killed-abusive-father/30021688.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Marcus
  132. Escher says:

    The thing is, that shame is playing by the anti-Semites’ rules. It’s assuming a collective responsibility for one man’s actions.

    But all white people are to blame for the actions of a few slave owners from 150+ years ago.

  133. George says:

    Blast from the past, Italians organize Bunga Bunga parties apparently without Jewish involvement.

    Woman describes Berlusconi’s ‘bunga bunga’ parties
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/17/berlusconis-bunga-parties/2205533/

    The sex scandal was used to remove Berlusconi in the set up for the destruction of Libya and the migrant invasion of Europe.

  134. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The problem with stereotypes (when you are a victim of them) is that while they may contain a nugget of truth in relation to certain members of your race they don’t necessarily apply to you and it feels very unfair to you when you are tarred with that brush. Maybe Italian-Americans are (or were – it seems like a fading phenomenon) members of organized crime families more often than other Americans, but most Italian-Americans aren’t. Maybe blacks mug taxi drivers at far higher rates than whites but if you are a black banker trying to get a cab in NYC it seems unfair that the cabs keep driving past you – YOU never mugged anyone. My grandfather was not an international banker as imagined by Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler, he was a poor fisherman.

    One of the beauties of the American constitutional system (when it works) is that it is based upon notions of individual responsibility and not collective guilt. Race prejudice is based on collective guilt, which is why it is so “anti-American” and repulsive to all fair minded Americans (and not just Leftists).

  135. @AnotherDad

    Irish do drink and brawl.

    Not really. This is a stereotype that actually was based mostly in poverty and frustration, and is not true of most Irish today. If you spend a week in Galway and a week in Leeds, you will assume the English are the notorious drunks and brawlers. The Irish genetic failing is that, like most Northern Europeans, they actually are not good at holding their liquor and get drunk too fast, but most Irish these days grow up in soft middle class lifestyles, drink less than the French, are no longer particularly angry and don’t brawl at noticeably higher rates than Finns.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Bill P
  136. Jack D says:
    @SFG

    Jews knocking down Christmas decorations is just not a thing – I’ve never heard of anyone else doing this. Some young guys have a thing for vandalism in general, but when kids smash pumpkins on Halloween it’s not because they hate witches – it has nothing to do with racial hatred, it’s just a general impulse to smash things up.

    BTW, the Christmas decoration business is mostly Jewish owned.

    • Replies: @peterike
    , @Chrisnonymous
    , @SFG
  137. @petit bourgeois

    I don’t think Olberman is a Jew.

  138. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    Jews knocking down Christmas decorations is just not a thing

    That’s true. They leave it to the ACLU to make sure that no religious Christmas decorations are allowed anywhere on public property, and to the media to shame everyone into saying “happy holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.” But that big, light-up menorah sure goes up every year. Funny that.

  139. peterike says:

    More proof the rules are for the little people, Epstein-style.

    Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein never once checked in with city cops in the eight-plus years since a Manhattan judge ordered him to do so every 90 days — and the NYPD says it’s fine with that.

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/nypd-let-convicted-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-skip-judge-ordered-check-ins/

  140. Still, in its artlessness, it makes clear the conventional wisdom: some people are above criticism.

    The problem is chutzpah.

    According to the Cambridge English Dictionary – unusual and shocking behaviour, involving taking risks but not feeling guilty (UK) or behavior that is extremely confident and often rude, with no respect for the opinions or abilities of anyone else (US).

  141. Why now? Trump tapped Jeff Sessions to go after Epstein. We were all expecting the declassification to come right after the Horowitz report but they threw this hand grenade into the room first. Why would Trump do that if he was implicated in any way? He wasn’t. The media – controlled assets – are fighting for all they are worth and need to draw Trump into this no matter how tangentially because people fight with whatever weapons they have. The left has the media. All you have to do is look at what happened with Wikipedia swapping out Clinton for Trump. That is occurring industry wide so expect mass amounts of squid ink.

    My money is on the suspicion that several of the people implicated in the Epstein imbroglio were being blackmailed and that they are tied to or related to the other blackmailing that was was occurring with the deep state / Fusion GPS / Obama – Clinton mafia. By conflating these two things it will become impossible to dismiss or spin the Trump / Cruz / 100’s of others spying scandal into some sort of patriotic necessity. Illegal domestic spying is now connected to child rape not saving our nation from fascists.

  142. e says:

    To the writer:

    It’s simple, stupid: REALLY smart people and REALLY dumb people (think of another population group) often do horrid things BECAUSE of their intelligence or lack of it, the former because they ARE smart and can figure out how to get around obstacles (even IF the obstacle is the law), the latter because they ARE dumb and can’t figure out how to get around obstacles (even IF the obstacle is the law) but do the deed anyway.

  143. J says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Jews are the one group in human history where everyone else’s observations about them … have absolutely nothing to do with their attitudes toward Jews.

    Yes. There are nor ever were Jews in, say, Malaysia or Indonesia, yet they hate Jews. There are no Jews in Pakistan for the last seventy years, and before then there were maybe 20,000 (in a population over 100,000,000) yet they think they know what Jews are and they hate them ferociously.

    On the other hand, there are not enough Jews to fill a synagogue on Yom Kippur in Guatemala, yet the people love Jews.

    The Jewish people is so miniature, we are so few, that most of people – everywhere – goes through life and their opinions on Jews – without ever meeting a flesh and blood Jew. Many like Hungarians make up artificial Jews, someone with German name, for example.

    • Agree: Shmendrix
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  144. @Sean

    “Such a level of restitution as Epstein could make greatly weakens the prosecution’s hand .”

    Really? Why should a constructive admission of guilt weaken the prosecution’s hand ?

    • Replies: @Sean
  145. Jack D says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    He was probably thinking of Armenian-Americans (and in particular the older generation of Armenians that came in the Ellis Island wave and not the more recent post-Soviet immigrants who tend to act like other ex-Soviets – i.e. some of them are of the “men with gold chains” type who are on the shady side). The earlier group is pretty well assimilated by now and is considered a relatively problem free minority, if only because there aren’t that many of them. If Americans had more exposure to them, I’m not sure they’d like them any better than Jews.

    With any minority there seems to be a tipping point. Prior to the Civil War, American Jews were pretty well liked but also pretty rare. It was only when boatloads of them started showing up that anti-Semitism really got going in America (and it never really got going in comparison to Eastern Europe where there were even more Jews). OTOH, we are plentifully endowed with blacks and so anti-black prejudice is most definitely a thing.

  146. Jack D says:
    @SFG

    If Jews are trying to convince non-whites that they aren’t like those other badwhites, shouldn’t they be writing articles in Ebony or something (not that it would do any good)? Writing in the Forward seems like preaching to the choir. Or do they have to convince themselves first?

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
  147. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    “The problem with stereotypes (when you are a victim of them) is that while they may contain a nugget of truth in relation to certain members of your race they don’t necessarily apply to you and it feels very unfair to you when you are tarred with that brush.”

    Then it seems like you ought to be taking that up with the people giving you a bad name. But you never seem to do that, do you? Instead, you always stand up for them. Remember that time you were going on and on and on about how the only reason anyone had a problem with Leo Frank was “anti-Semitism”? For just one example?

    “My grandfather was not an international banker as imagined by Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler, he was a poor fisherman.”

    I think I believe this about as much as I believe the story about your mother-in-law travelling through the south and having everyone ask her why she didn’t have horns.

  148. @astrolabe

    You’ve set up a false dichotomy in which people either base their rape-prejudice on analysis of Paki rapes or have an irrational prejudice unconnected to behavior.

    The truth is more complex–rape-y behavior adds one more layer to prejudice based on a variety of both characteristics and behaviors. It is salient because it is consistent and representative in people’s eyes of the broader experience of living with Pakis.

    The truth of this can be seen if you consider a case in which a small group of Pakistanis worked long and hard to carry out an ingenius plan to defraud financial institutions of large sums of money. Would this create the perception that Pakis were all burning the midnight oil to steal millions? No, of course not, because it’s not consistent with most people’s experience.

  149. Jack D says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Blacks are not what I would call “swing voters”. The only swinging they do is that they go from 110% turnout (as in some Philadelphia precincts) to some staying home, but any swing away from voting 90+% Democrat is imperceptible.

    It’s not really clear to me how destroying major Democrat supporters like Harvey Weinstein would get fewer women to vote Republican. It’s more a case of Trump hatred spilling over in a way that is not necessarily beneficial to Democrats (see Al Franken).

  150. @SFG

    “Women *do* hate short guys.”

    No! Women, as a general rule, are not turned on by guys who are shorter than they. If one is a shorter than average guy with a weak ego and other psychological issues, like the clown midget in this video, that can pose a problem.

    Most short men I’ve known solve the problem by seeking out women shorter than themselves. There are plenty of attractive, short women to go around.

    Even if a man is short, ugly, and a loser like the guy in the video, it’s possible to find an appropriate sexual partner if one is not overly picky.

  151. @Jack D

    I agree only because that kind of vandalism is base behavior inconsistent with normal Jewish-American behavior. However, I was friends with Jews in university and definitely heard some very negative opinions of Christians publicly practicing their own holidays in their own majority-Christian communities, which is pretty outrageous. In addition, I have heard the desire to vandalize Christmas decorations expressed by LGBTQRSUVWXYZ people.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  152. @Robert Dolan

    I’ve yet to hear a good explanation for why Jews, as a group, have invariably wound up being disliked by every other people among whom or nearby whom large numbers of Jews dwell. It’s a historical invariant! Every other people! It’s almost as if there is something about large Jewish populations and their collective behavior that other peoples find repugnant. More research is needed.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Lot
    , @SFG
  153. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, it’s not like “Jewish guilt” is a thing with its own Wikipedia page or anything. Doesn’t exist. Who ever heard of it?

    Isn’t it Steve who often writes that Jewish guilt is the worry that you aren’t ethnocentric enough for your ancestors?

  154. Thea says:
    @Diversity is Great!

    Were will these workers live? Will they be compensated enough to own a home in Silicon Valley or is part of this plan missing?

  155. @JimDandy

    The answer my be found in Kevin McDonald’s book, “Separation and Its Discontents”. There seems to be an inevitable cycle which goes somewhat as follows: As Jews use their talents and collectivist strategies to gain economic, political, social, and cultural dominance, they promote policies which favor the Jewish collectivity but usually ebd up harming the majority among whom they are dwelling. The natural result is a resurgence in what the Jews call anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  156. ATBOTL says:
    @South Texas Guy

    It’s not acceptable to have a hostile alien tribe run our media, under any circumstances. It’s not even acceptable to have a friendly to neutral alien tribe run our media. Our media must be run by our own people. That’s really the most important goal for whites in America if we are to survive.

  157. @Jack D

    There is a difference between guilt and shame. Confession is not merely about feeling guilty you did something — it’s admitting shame about that wrongdoing.

    From what I’ve observed, shame is big among Catholics and HUGE among Asians, but I don’t see much of it in the Jewish religion. In fact, the article Steve posted today is a great example of having no shame. It’s basically saying “Never mind the victims, think of my feelings instead.”

    • Replies: @SFG
  158. Marcus says:

    After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews. They would hate us, anyway.

    rationalizationhamster.jpg

  159. @Anon

    I hardly think it’s an accomplishment to manhandle a member of the Lollipop Guild.

    I think a better approach would be to diffuse and de-escalate the situation, especially given the fact that such a small man is no real danger to a crowd including multiple men of normal size.

  160. Marcus says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The inverse is true, northern Europeans hold their liquor more than most, hence they require stiffer drinks like whiskey and vodka, southern Europeans otoh have wine. Seems like the closer you get to the equator the less alcohol tolerance the indigenes have, e.g. Amerindians and east Asians are famous for not having any.

  161. @istevefan

    Isn’t it Steve who often writes that Jewish guilt is the worry that you aren’t ethnocentric enough for your ancestors?

    That was Philip Roth.

    Steve is just repeating what Roth had written.

  162. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I agree with you on Jackson Browne – I love his work and saw him live three times, and the last time, with an impressive band of eight top-musicians, was one of the best concerts I ever had the chance to attend (the other two were not bad at all – one strictly acoustic with David Lindley)
    (I might have an at times a bit idiosyncratic way of handing out compliments, I’d admit that. But my original remark was one – a bit indirect, that is true, but it was a compliment nonetheless).

  163. Jews are great sensualists, men and women both. I recognize that aspect in my sexual life. I suggest that the jew hatred expressed here and elsewhere is due to envy of their requited sensuality and other successes. Ressentiment is its fancy French name.

  164. @El Dato

    They need to start teaching this stuff in business schools.

    Affirmative action wackiness is a symptom that a corporation has over-reached its core mission, has grown larger than it should be, and is about to crash and burn.

    If Wall Street would just start selling ten year puts on these companies we could all get rich. 🙂

  165. Vojkan says:

    Well, Lovy has made half of the way, he has admitted that there are Jews who do terrible things. Now he has to go through the second half and admit that proportionally to their number, there are far many more Jews doing very bad things than in any other group. I’m not holding my breath.

    • LOL: Shmendrix
  166. Marty says:
    @Anon

    Pretty silly comment, really. How many 6’2”+ white guys over 40, whose faces we can’t see, are out there anyway. I counted thirty of them just standing around the practice putting green this morning. I guess the real question is whether Steve, had he been in the store, would have similarly ordered the little guy to shut up as part of the white-knighting reflex.

  167. @Mr McKenna

    Do you not find it amusing that anyone promoting the Holocaust narrative is a scholar, yet scholars such as Faurisson, Rudolf, or Kollerstrom, who question the veracity of the narrative, are deniers?

    It’s the way the system is worked: “to cringe when one of our own behaves in such a horrifying manner” really means why did the dumbf#@k get caught.

  168. @Jack D

    I think that modern English attitudes toward the Jews are colored by the fact that there just aren’t that many of them compared to the US (only 1/2% of the population). When my daughter was in middle school, her school had an exchange program with a similar school in Cambridge. The difference was that in her school, as is typical for a school in an upscale suburb in the NE Corridor, maybe 1/4 of the girls were Jewish

    Is the NE Corridor any relation to the North West Passage or the Khyber Pass?

    Certainly there are plenty of Jews associated with the University in Cambridge.

    Here is a picture of a Jewish Cambridge alumnus who was awarded a degree in History. For graduate work, he studied clowning in Paris.

    Here in the small town in north Florida where I have my abode, I daresay we have a Jew or two, but my kids have never mentioned one, but their is a law office in town called Goldberg. We are also exposed to Arnold Real Jewish rye bread in Walmart.

    The point I was making was that historical antisemitism that led to pogroms based on irrational mob prejudices and superstition has pretty much died out. Anti Jewish sentiment today is usually associated with the bad behavior of the State of Israel and its supporters. So it is not really prejudice at all.

    People have conniptions if a sex offender moves to live next to them, but if a Jew moves in, it is hardly noteworthy as there is no general connection with pedophilia or child abductions, and as for the claim that the Jews crucified Jesus, well, we can let bygones be bygones since the end result was the salvation of billions of souls who have eaten His body and drunk His blood.

    Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein are small potatoes unworthy to lick the feet of great Scottish soccer manager Jock Stein.

  169. @R.G. Camara

    It is little wonder Jews completely cannot understand (or pretend not to understand) the Orthodox/Catholic concepts of confession.

    As it happens , confession is an integral part of repentance in Judaism( there is no forgiveness without it). I’m not sure which Jews cannot understand concepts of confession, but it’s not religious ones.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  170. @Kyle

    At the next meeting of the Learned Elders of Wye you can bet they will stressing the importance of crypsis. That and where their new supply of teenage girls for blackmail purposes will be coming from. Can’t have one without the other unless you want to alert the goyim.

  171. peterike says:

    OT: Troublesome Asian alert!

    A jury found an electrical engineer and University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) professor guilty of exporting stolen U.S. military technology to China.

    UCLA adjunct professor Yi-Chi Shih was convicted June 26 on 18 federal charges and could now lose hundreds of thousands of dollars, while also facing up to 219 years behind bars for numerous violations of the law. These include conspiracy to break the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), committing mail and wire fraud, lying to a government agency, subscribing to a false tax return, and conspiring to gain unauthorized access to information on a protected computer, according to a Department of Justice news release.

    Thousand of Chinese working in our universities, hundreds of thousands studying at them every year. What can go wrong?

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13423

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  172. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    One of the beauties of the American constitutional system (when it works) is that it is based upon notions of individual responsibility and not collective guilt. Race prejudice is based on collective guilt, which is why it is so “anti-American” and repulsive to all fair minded Americans (and not just Leftists).

    The appropriate response is not to attack a critic speaking the truth, but rather to challenge your own to correct the behavior. Of course, I’m white, so I would say that. It’s just how we roll.

  173. Altai says:
    @Chatterboxx

    Yeah, imagine if a state did that as a matter of course. Like Israel bulldozing the houses of relatives of terrorists or something…

  174. @Anon

    Ironically, now that he’s sort of famous, he’ll probably start getting laid. He needs to run with this.

    Hey, sort of off topic, any confirmation that the youtube guy in SF who called the police on the black guy trying to sneak into his building is jewish? That story died fairly quickly. I thought there’d be at least another couple of days of outrage on that.

    • Replies: @Anon000
  175. After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews.

    Another lie. It has everything to do with behaviors. Now to the extent this makes jews who don’t exhibit these behaviors uncomfortable, that is regrettable; however, I wouldn’t include this guy in that category.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
  176. @petit bourgeois

    Katy is sane enough to be disturbed at her father’s “transition”.

  177. RW says:
    @anon

    Quite right.

    And you could also say it’s like sympathizing with Bret Weinstein for being a victim of the mob he fostered.

  178. @The Z Blog

    He needs to take irony supplements.

  179. Marcus says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    How many Jews have you met? And I’m not sure why Russians would feel that way: Armenians were not involved in revolutionary parties or the “Russian” mafia anywhere near the extent Jews and Georgians were. Event today, most of the talking heads propagandizing against Russia are Jews (Max Boot, Julia Ioffe, Anna Nemtsova, Masha Gessen, Bill Browder, etc. Garry Kasparov is half-Armenian, but I’m going to go on a limb and say his Jewish half is more relevant to his views.

  180. @Jonathan Mason

    Here is a much smarter British Jew whose formal education ended at fifteen, but who was later warmly embraced by a certain Oxbridge circle.

    (And, yes, that’s the future Lord Mayor of Dublin with him. Unlike that Belfast mayor of Yogi Berra fame, the kid isn’t Jewish.)

    • Replies: @Simon
  181. @Jack D

    Jewish guilt is more mundane and practical than Catholic guilt and more of the “I have failed to fulfill my contractual obligations” variety.

    Catholic guilt is a loftier (and more megalomaniacal?) thing than Jewish guilt and is of the “I have violated the eternal laws of the universe and sinned against the transcendant God” variety.

    • Replies: @J
  182. J.Ross says:

    The “anti-Semitism” myth exists to exempt indidual bad Jews from criticism by demanding rather than rejecting bigotry and insisting on a group judgment, in which case of course the worst Jews are far outnumbered by some who I assume are good people. Same thing with mestizo invaders: you’re not allowed to talk about coyotes because of this weeping child. Muslims do the same thing but only the most brainwashed take them seriously.
    The excellent movie White Hunter, Black Heart has a brief scene that illustrates this.
    Something else is afoot here: were we the racial equals of Jews, our discussion of a Jewish criminal would not be an issue (specific inaccuracies would). Jews who complain about goyim presuming to discuss a Jewish criminal are presupposing that Jews are racially superior. Did the British have a particular issue with Indians discussing European criminals?

  183. @fnn

    How could I recognize irony? Steve was writing about some obscure guy I’ve never heard of. Howard who? He may be recognizable in journalist community, but, for me, all these Howards are like blacks or Chinese- they’re all the same to me.

    Forward I know of only because a few years ago I stumbled upon a few good articles on various topics. That’s all. I am not a connoisseur of American Jewish subculture. Some serious stuff about historical & European Jews-among others- I do know, but as regards their local American cousins I know approximately as much as I do about baseball or American Football.

  184. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Are you kidding? There’s been every level of support, pamphlets printed and distributed teaching migrants how to get claims, pressure put on governments, individual Israelis volunteering as guides, funding given to groups from artificial rioters to rescue boats, there’s HIAS, there’s a Massada of editorialists explaining why Europe needs migrants and Israel doesn’t, Hollywood and every TV show shilling for open borders, and Jews in legislatures.
    It has to be said that there is significant non-Jewish support, including fraudulent Christian churches getting money from the government to warehouse people and Muslims sponsoring mosque construction.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  185. J.Ross says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    It’s exactly like a bratty little kid caught doing something wrong: “YOU HATE ME!”

  186. @Cagey Beast

    The guy snapped. He was wrong. But posting videos of people having a bad day is such a shitty thing to do. Wonder how half these ladies would feel if their exes posted revenge porn of them which they agreed to have filmed. Don’t unnecessarily embarrass other people.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  187. Nachum says:

    That’s funny. Orthodox Jewish kids at least are raised with the concept of “Chilul Hashem” drilled into them: “Behave well, or it will [correctly or not, but very possibly correctly] reflect badly on all Jews and Judaism in general.” The yarmulke is sometimes described as a way of making sure that you’re always aware that eyes are on you to make an example, good or bad, of you. But the name works just as well. I obviously can’t say that’s lived up to, but the warning is there.

    I much prefer the simplicity of Adam Sandler, from the fourth version of the Chanukkah Song:

    “Jared from Subway…” [Audience starts making noises.] “…GODDAMMIT, a JEW!” The audience- I expect the Jews among them the most- explodes.

  188. @Malcolm X-Lax

    All other things being equal, it is wiser and safer to regard the unknown and untested with suspicion and mistrust than openess and acceptance. The things in the universe harmful to any organism outnumber things beneficial to it by orders of magnitude; and fear, avoidance and caution are universal to all creatures.

    People’s coming away with negative impressions of Jeffrey Epstein cannot be simply brushed away as anti-Semitism; and the responsible thing to do, (albeit unpopular within the group), will be to make an honest assessment by asking what behaviors legitimately engender the dislike and opprobium of others.

    Allow me to suggest starting with the premise of choseness. If one is chosen above all others than the legitimate needs and considerations of those others must be of secondary importance.

  189. J.Ross says:
    @Kaganovitch

    He’s talking about the audience receiving the confession. He thinks it should overlap with the wronged party.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  190. peterike says:
    @Corvinus

    “The “metoo” movement’s target demographic of assholes are extremely over-represented by Jewish Men.”

    Sources?

    Lol! Sources, indeed!

    I’d say that was hilarious satire, but then it’s Corvinus.

  191. Yonda lies the Manhattan townhouse of my mentah.

    Wexner Institute interests the Netty-Yahoo’s. Interesting!

    Adelson vs. Wexner split? Pass the shrimp salad sandwiches and popcorn!

  192. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    Ask the Forward and Haaretz how cognitive dissonance inducing it is to be “Left Wing” but to variously support and / or live in an ethnonationalist state that currently keeps millions of innocent civilians in indefinite open air containment for no other reason than their ethnic identity.

    One answer is that it is not cognitive dissonance inducing at all, but instead a War tactic by zealous racists to harass the ethnic integrity of other peoples. In this instance, doing the work of admonishing people not to be too upset about a rapist lest Jews get a bad rap.

    If the cancer who wrote this, living in Traverse City Michigan, wishes to see less antisemitism in society than he should probably take his foreign, hostile nationalism back home to Israel.

  193. Sean says:
    @Jim bob Lassiter

    They did not have that admission without the deal, and it was nothing to do with the deal that was the problem it was the fact that two of his accusers said they were not told about it that was the grounds for the deal being ruled unlawful earlier this year. If he had fought and won the criminal case he would not be settling out of court. His masseuse employee that said she met Bill Clinton and the Gores and had sex with Dershowitz before she escaped when sent to Thailand on a massage course is not a terribly credible witness against anyone but a convicted felon which Epstein is because of the deal.

    The Gores say not only did they not go to dinner at his house, they do not know Epstein. This is an anti Trump thing, or perhaps you think Acosta and Dershowitz being involved is completely coincidental? And maybe you think that a woman having sued Trump in 2016 accusing him of having raped her at one of Epstein’s parties when she was 13 is a coincidence too?

  194. @Jus' Sayin'...

    I’ve yet to hear a good explanation for why Jews, as a group, have invariably wound up being disliked by every other people among whom or nearby whom large numbers of Jews dwell. It’s a historical invariant! Every other people!

    You’re wrong.

    Jews lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid empires, Cordoba caliphate, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    , @SFG
  195. Richard S says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Were the Jews massacred at, say, Babi Yar killed because the Nazis thought they had too much money, power, or dual loyalties? Seems unlikely

    I’m fairly sure the perpetrators felt they were retaliating against Jews and Communists for the tens of millions of Christians that had been wiped out by Jewish Communists between 1917-1941, no?

    National Socialist antisemitism arose in the 20s and 30s as a consequence of the genocidal horrors of Bolshevik rule. Why do you suppose the Germans found so many willing collaborators in the Ukraine and the Baltics?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @SFG
    , @Marcus
  196. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    5’9″ is about average male height in the US. The guy in the video said he’s 5 feet tall.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  197. Jew statutory rapes shiksas, but anti-semitism is the real issue.

    Anti-Semitism is not based on anything rational. Rooted in a mythology of secret Jewish power, money, control, and dual loyalties, anti-Semitism and Jewish wrongdoing have little to do with each other.

    For something not based on anything rational, it sure is long-lived.

    After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews.

    That sure is convenient.

    They hate us when a Jew is successful in the public eye, and they hate us when a Jew is a villain in the public eye. It makes no difference. …

    It makes no difference, so why make any effort? But at the same time, keep telling yourself the “virus” does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews.

    What is the over/under on number of Jack D comments on this thread?

    • Replies: @SFG
  198. @Hail

    Epstein, Dershowitz, Summers, Perelman, Burkle, Pinker, Jesus, Zuckerman, and Clinton, the President who ennabled the worst and greediest Jews in the world, the worst war criminals. Sexually torturing child shiksa runaways, the destitute, the homeless, the vulnerable. But, has the Jewish community apologized? Dershowitz says he wishes he could have gotten Epstein off with a LIGHTER sentence. When will this pus-ridden human boil be punished for his perverted crimes?

  199. @Jack D

    That’s a pretty weak wikipedia page Jack.

    Besides the references and see-also’s, the entirety of the page is:

    Jewish guilt is the supposed guilt felt by some Jews. Currently, Jewish guilt is often a source of Jewish humor, but sometimes leads to self-hatred among some Jews.[1][2]

    R.G. Camara’s assertion was that “Jewish guilt” is for letting down other Jews, not for behavior towards us. Your response did not address that.

  200. @JimDandy

    Were you referring to Franken? He wasn’t punished, he did it to himself. As Jack D said, he likely could have just ridden it out, Blackface Northam style.

  201. @Prof. Woland

    Excellent point. This is why they’re working so hard on “hate speech” and having people de-platformed.

  202. Lot says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    “I’ve yet to hear a good explanation for why Jews, as a group, have invariably wound up being disliked by every other people among whom or nearby whom large numbers of Jews dwell.”

    Except that isn’t true. In the USA, polls show Jews are the most liked ethnic group. And it is also the country with the largest Jewish population unless you use a very narrow definition, in which it is a little less than Israel.

    The Greeks, Dutch and Turks seemed to like their Jewish populations as well. Jews lived happily in North Africa until they became identified with French colonialism and Israel in the 20th century.

  203. @SFG

    …This is a huge subtext in a lot of Forward articles–what if we get kicked out of the left? ‘

    As Humphrey Bogart said to Ingrid Bergman, ‘We’ll always have Neo-Conservatism.’

    Organs like the Forward are fossils. Perhaps we should work to preserve them as artifacts from a lost culture. I’ve got a feeling Bernie Sanders really is going to be the last of the Mohicans, Jewish Leftism isn’t dead, exactly; it’s just that the prognosis is terminal.

  204. @Steve Sailer

    Sarah Jessica Horseface, I mean Parker? Or Winona Ryder? Actually Winona is kind of attractive…

  205. AndrewR says:

    If all anti-Semitism is irrational then logically that means they should be able to do whatever they want because they’re just going to be hated anyway. That sounds like a recipe for guaranteed misbehavior and guaranteed backlash. I’m sure someone could put my feelings in a wittier way but I’m in a rush

  206. Simon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wow, isn’t that amazing! And IMDb doesn’t even mention that in McConkey’s bio. Here’s a bit more, before the Times asks for your money:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feldman-had-eyes-on-lord-mayor-as-film-star-03j3t05xw

    P.S. Just watched Last Remake again, because it showed up on ffilms. It’s still quite funny.

  207. @Lot

    ‘…Except that isn’t true. In the USA, polls show Jews are the most liked ethnic group. And it is also the country with the largest Jewish population unless you use a very narrow definition, in which it is a little less than Israel.

    The Greeks, Dutch and Turks seemed to like their Jewish populations as well. Jews lived happily in North Africa until they became identified with French colonialism and Israel in the 20th century.’

    Yeah — but rather than just leaving it at that, one might want to move on to looking at why Jews were liked or disliked. Were they able to dominate life in those places where they were accepted? After all, one can see rather clearly why Jews became hated in Poland or the Ukraine. Was it actually a matter of Turks being nicer people — or of Jews playing a different role in Ottoman society?

    This really is the stultifying effect of the Deborah Lipstadt/Daniel Goldhagen thesis that anti-semitism is some sort of irrational plague, inherent in the goyim. Well, if so, then of course Jews needn’t consider their own behavior critically; that’s got nothing to do with it.

    That’s nonsense, of course. Rightly or wrongly, Jewish behavior can have a great deal to do with why they are persecuted. One doesn’t need to look very hard to draw a line from Jewish prominence in the revolutionary upheavals that beset Germany in the aftermath of World War One and then Jewish prominence in the degeneracies of the Weimar era to the Holocaust.

    That isn’t to say that the Holocaust was somehow justified. It’s merely to say that if an attractive girl insists on walking alone through a bad part of town at two in morning, scantily clad, that maybe, just maybe, there’s a connection between her behavior and her rape.

  208. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    “Jews are great sensualists in real life, men and women both.”

    Just ask Harvey Weinstein’s ficus plant!

  209. @Lot

    ‘…Except that isn’t true. In the USA, polls show Jews are the most liked ethnic group…’

    Which polls? I’d be curious to see what groups Jews were compared to.

    Then too, it’s quite alright to say one doesn’t like Asians. It’s positively fashionable to say one doesn’t like Arabs. On the other hand, well, if one doesn’t like Jews, then one is an anti-semite, isn’t one?

    Finally, Jews really aren’t particularly distinct from the great polyglot mass of all us other white folks. To say Jews ‘are most liked’ may be just another way of saying ‘least identifiable.’

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Charon
  210. Ahh, but verily it has been a heavy burden for The Chosen, what with their whole history of pissing off The Big Y over and over again and having to suffer the consequences. No wonder they kvetch. I nominate Job as the quintessential Jew.

  211. Bill P says:
    @Lot

    Tendency to wrath and holding grudges. Neither are Christian virtues.

  212. @Jonathan Mason

    culminating in the expulsion of Jews from Spain by the Spanish Inquisition in 1492, the year in which Columbus also sailed the ocean blue amidst stories that Jews had abducted and crucified a Christian child.

    The Jews were expelled from Spain not long after the Moslems were expelled. The Jews functioned as as tax collectors and in other clerical-type roles for the Moslems – not a terrible decision for them considering the Moslems ran the place for 700+ years. But it left them in a really bad place when the Spanish finally wrested it back.

    Considering the atrocities committed against the Spanish under Moslem rule, both Jews and Moslems were lucky to have been offered the choice between converting or leaving rather than just being killed. Naturally, all we hear about the period today is how “anti-Semitic” the irrational hater Spanish were.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Alden
  213. Those of Jewish ancestry certainly do appear to be wildly disproportionately represented in the most awful sorts of corruption and moral turpitude. From Epstein to Weinstein to Silverstein, the pattern seems relentless.

    However, there is a very strong possibility that these behaviors are a direct result of all of the terrible suffering these folks endured during the Holocaust, where 6 million Jews were killed and many more tortured. Imagine if the world had stopped that maniacal Hitler in, say, 1933,

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @SFG
  214. @Charon

    It’s all about you, is that what you’re saying?

    People exist, individual perspectives are interesting if they are concise. That say I to you, Charon, see?

  215. @South Texas Guy

    Not that I care about Al Franklin, but he couldn’t have copped a feel on that woman. She was wearing a flak jacket. Even clowning a copping is streng verboten in #metoo era.

  216. ic1000 says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    > I predict that facebook’s Five-Year Diversity and Inclusion Plan will not be pronounced successfully completed earlier than expected.

    LOL. Courtesy of Paleo Retiree, here’s an even better 5 Year Plan for Facebook.

    Breaking up the social media monopolies may be the only fix, by Peter Van Buren • June 17, 2019.

  217. Jack D says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    definitely heard some very negative opinions of Christians publicly practicing their own holidays in their own majority-Christian communities

    What do you mean by “public”? Since our Constitution was intended to insure that there would be no established Church in the US (BTW, the best thing ever to happen to religion, including Christianity, in the US – nothing kills a religion more than making it an official requirement like paying taxes) it is always dicey if public facilities and/or funds are used to display the symbols of one particular religion, even (especially) if it is the majority religion.

    Personally, I kind of like Christmas decorations (although they seem more pagan than Christian to me) – they light up the night in an otherwise dark time of year, which is really the point. Chanukah also involves illumination, if perhaps more modest, at the same season. However, if I was never again forced to listen to another Christmas song (notwithstanding that many of them were written by Jews) I wouldn’t mind.

  218. Ibound1 says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I saw that after and felt badly about my comment. Big difference between 5’8 and 5’. Women weren’t exactly throwing themselves at me but getting a date was never an issue.

  219. After all, anti-Semitism is a virus that does not depend on the behavior of actual Jews. They would hate us, anyway.

    The denial continues, and as long as it does, so shall the hate. Until Jews drop all accusations of anti-Semitism and start some serious introspection…

    What am I saying? If it hasn’t happened in 2,500 years, through multiple pogroms, wars and revolutions, it sure as heck isn’t gonna start now. Jews will be Jews until the end of time, and they will outlast us all.

  220. @Dave Pinsen

    PROFILE OF THE SOCIOPATH

    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
    Other Related Qualities:

    Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    Authoritarian
    Secretive
    Paranoid
    Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    Conventional appearance
    Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
    Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    Incapable of real human attachment to another
    Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

    (The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

    When you go down the list, and consider that many people believe that sociopathy is hereditary, perhaps this explains the JQ is medical terms.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  221. JimDandy says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I get that, but this is different in my opinion. The MSM doesn’t represent the majority in America.

    Back in the 80’s the was a crusade to stop “black-on-black” violence. The gist of Lovy’s article seems to be “stop Jew-on-Jew criticism”. Lovy’s lament is in keeping with my current theory: Jewish unity has eroded for some reason. Dilution of cultural loyalty as the result of too much intermarriage with Shiksa trophy wives?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  222. The existence of the phrase “a shanda for the Goyim” means there was a time when Jews thought they should try to make the Goyim think well of them by not behaving badly.

    Now it’s more that the Jews want to destroy anyone who speaks ill of them. Since they can usually do that, they’re not so worried about Jews behaving badly.

    I think there’s been a similar shift with blacks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  223. @everybodyhatesscott

    True. I found the guy obnoxious but he was also clearly going through a crisis. Anyone with a reasonable level of empathy should have been able to see that.

  224. @Bardon Kaldian

    Anti-Semitism actually wound up rife in most of the societies you mention. There’s a recurring reason for this. In most of these situations, Jews began their temporary successes by gladly and willingly served as ruthless agents of the ruling class, whether these were native, usurpers or invaders, oppressing most of the gentile populations beneath them. When the rulers were overthrown or the exactions of their Jewish agents became too great the oppressed population rose and got their revenge on their Jewish tormentors. The Spaniards kicked them out. The Parthians, Iranians, Muslims and Ottomans eventually reduced them to a despised and reviled form of extreme dhimmitude. We all know what later happened in Prussia, the Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth, and Russia (The latter two you don’t mention.), and still later in Germany.

    In the Netherlands, Britain, and the US, Jews were a very small and weak minority, and generally kept a low profile until the twentieth century. Then, the usual pattern began again. Sensing, their power and experiencing their usual neurotic fear of backlash, Jews collectively began pushing a variety of policies that they thought would benefit them even while knowing they would hurt most of the host population. One obvious example is unrestricted immigration of alien cultures antithetical to the host population’s culture. Jews have been relentlessly pursuing this policy since the latter part of the 19th century. They still pursue it despite the chaos and harm it has wrought. Jews are once again creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. The policies they’ve promoted to prevent imagined dangers of anti-Semitism will create an eventual backlash and a new version of anti-Semitism, which is basically a host population’s inevitable reaction to the presence of a parasitical and hostile Jewish presence in their midst.

    I seriously doubt that Jews can or even desire to modify their alienating behaviors. As Kevin McDonald points out in his three volume analysis, “A People That Shall Dwell Apart”, “Separation and Its Discontents”, and “Te Culture of Critique”, the various forms these take seem to be the result of a biological and cultural group reproductive strategy that has worked extremely well for the Jews over the course of nearly three millennia.

  225. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    The modern tendency to proclaim that “victim blaming is always wrong” is often an attempt to obfuscate unpleasant truths which should not really be swept under the rug, by people who have a financial or political interest in doing just that.

    Jack, you said in another post that these girls weren’t “angels.” That is totally irrelevant, of course. There is a particular degradation involved in commercial sex that I think men often fail to understand, because you reduce the harm of illicit sex to a kind of material damage to a woman’s body. It has gone by different names at different times: chastity, virtue, reputation, etc.

    But there is a spiritual degradation involved in selling yourself, or worse yet, being sold, that is far above and beyond the mere fact of having one more notch on your bedpost. You would do well to at least attempt to be sensitive to that, although I understand that women’s “feelz” are something of a laughing matter in dissident right circles.

  226. Oh…guess who else was playing with Jeffrey?

    ‘Revealed: Jeffrey Epstein Entered Partnership Worth Millions With Ehud Barak in 2015
    Epstein bankrolled a considerable part of Barak’s investment in a startup called Reporty Homeland Security ■ Barak: These are private investments, it wouldn’t be proper to expose details’

    — Haaretz

    It was a purely financial arrangement, of course. No reason to think otherwise.

  227. @J.Ross

    What kind of argument is this? You’ll find much more Italian, German, Swedish….groups & individuals working frantically to “save the migrants” & similar BS. Both local Jewish & Israeli groups are of marginal importance re that collective lunatic suicidal endeavor.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48853050

    Jews my foot….

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @J.Ross
  228. Flip says:
    @Just another serf

    “Jews are like other people, only more so.”

    Chaim Weizmann
    First President of Israel

  229. @Jack D

    ‘… Since our Constitution was intended to insure that there would be no established Church in the US (BTW, the best thing ever to happen to religion, including Christianity, in the US – nothing kills a religion more than making it an official requirement like paying taxes) it is always dicey if public facilities and/or funds are used to display the symbols of one particular religion, even (especially) if it is the majority religion.’

    I don’t suppose you feel the same principle applies to Israel? Like — say — to their flag?

    And after all, the US population is still about 95%-plus people from Christian cultures — even a lot of the Arabs are Christian. Shouldn’t you just figure Christmas ‘n stuff goes with the territory?

    Israel, on the other hand…

  230. Personally, I kind of like Christmas decorations (although they seem more pagan than Christian to me)

    Christmas is not really very Christian at all. It is just the old midwinter festival (December 21st being the shortest day of the year) merged into the birth of Baby Jesus in a stable in Bethlehem.

    In the Church in which I was raised, it was (theoretically) mandatory to attend church at Christmas and Easter to remain in good standing, however a local protestant church, I noted, was closed even when Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, the pastor having broadcast that he would prefer congregants to stay home with their families rather than attend church on that day of days.

    No doubt his wife had told him she would leave him if he didn’t take the day off on Christmas and he figured the takings would be down on that day anyway, what with the faithful having to buy Christmas presents and extra food.

    Anyway, it is not of much religious significance and in colder climates the roads tend to be icy.

  231. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    A poll:

    https://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/

    A study of Southern U.S. employers:

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/18/survey-says-resumes-listing-jewish-affiliation-get-more-callbacks/

    A similar study for New England found Jews most favored by employers, though unlike the South evangelicals were not in second place.

    If you look around there’s plenty more.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Anon
    , @SFG
  232. Charon says:
    @Colin Wright

    To say Jews ‘are most liked’ may be just another way of saying ‘least identifiable.’

    Or “most in control of the public-opinion machinery.”

  233. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Prof. Woland

    In the late ’90s, I worked for a mutual fund company, and we brought one of our portfolio managers out from New York to give some presentations in the Pacific Northwest. At one in Spokane (if memory serves), he talked about investing in Internet companies because he expected them to benefit from disintermediation. Now, this mutual fund company’s funds were sold only through financial advisors, so, one of the retail clients in the audience says, “So when will we be able to buy your funds directly?”, and my boss says, “Never”.

    ~20 years later, my boss is still right.

    Another anecdote comes to mind related to this. I sat next to a woman who worked for some Wall Street firm on a flight back then, and I thought to myself, “Wow, she’ll probably be out of a job soon, with everyone buying everything online.”. Now, I have no idea what she’s up to, but Goldman Sachs hasn’t been replaced by an online-only discount brokerage.

    The bottom line: disintermediation, while a real thing, was over-hyped. Maybe the same is true now of AI.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  234. @Anonymouse

    Jews are great sensualists in real life, men and women both.

    Actually, this may be very well true. Their historical culture is, in a broader sense, Mesopotamian in origin. One of the outstanding features of that civilizational circle is “materialism”, thisworldliness & orientation towards the material life.

    One easily detects difference in spirit when reading the epic of Gilgamesh & Hebrew Bible on one hand and Athenian tragedians & Plato on the other.

    • Replies: @CharlieKnows
  235. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Richard S

    That a high percentage of Communists were Jews doesn’t mean a high percentage of Jews were Communists. Millions of apolitical, poor Jewish peasants were killed.

    As for why the Germans found collaborators, there are good and bad people everywhere. There were also locals who hid and protected Jews, though that put them at risk of death.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Richard S
    , @ATBOTL
  236. Bill P says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The Irish genetic failing is that, like most Northern Europeans, they actually are not good at holding their liquor and get drunk too fast…

    No, the Irish are much better in that regard than Nordics and northern Slavs. The Celtic peoples and their descendants (which include a large portion of the French, northern Italians and southern Germans) can handle their liquor better than anyone. Lots of them are alcoholics, but they can function in that state pretty well compared to, say, Finns. They have been drinking habitually for at least 5,000 years, so you’d expect they’d be used to it by now.

  237. @Lot

    A poll:

    https://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/

    A study of Southern U.S. employers:

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/18/survey-says-resumes-listing-jewish-affiliation-get-more-callbacks/

    That’s no good: both your polls are of religion — not ethnicity.

    Moreover, the results show virtually no difference between Jews and Christians. For example, the results of the Pew poll show ‘warm feelings’ for Jews at 63% — and Catholics at 62% and ‘other Christian’ at 61%.

    Then everyone else falls between Buddhists at 52% and Muslims at 40%. I hold this doesn’t show Jews are ‘most liked’ — merely that they are perceived as ‘one of us’ as opposed to Buddhists-Muslims, who are ‘them.’

  238. Jack D says:
    @Rosie

    Me: an attempt to obfuscate unpleasant truths which should not really be swept under the rug, by people who have a financial or political interest in doing just that.

    Rosie: ….these girls weren’t “angels.” That is totally irrelevant, of course.

    I rest my case. It’s “totally irrelevant” only because you don’t want people to focus on this unpleasant truth and want all women to be treated equally as “victims”. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! OF COURSE it is relevant. Having sexual contact with a woman who has consented (even in exchange for financial compensation) is very different than sex that is completely non-consensual.

    As to whether prostitution is spiritually degrading, that is within the woman’s own control. Some women regard it as another way to make a living that pays better than working at Starbucks. It’s only degrading if you think it is.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @SFG
  239. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    It’s only degrading if you think it is.

    I don’t know about that, but either way, it doesn’t matter. The overwhelming majority of women do in fact find it very degrading, and that remains true whether or not they are “angels.” The vast majority of even very poor women will not engage in prostitution unless forced or guilt-tripped into it. That should tell you right there how repugnant it is to us.

  240. Anon[438] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    According to the ADL, anti-Semitism among Germans is lower than among most other Europeans. But this sort of data doesn’t tell us that much when we consider history and tail risk:

  241. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    OTOH, Jews were supposedly Bolsheviks. OTOH, they were supposedly rich international bankers.

    (You can see it right above – one says “Jews have too much money” and the other says that they were “Jewish Communists”.)

    Which is it, Nazis? Make up your mind.

  242. @Rosie

    ‘Jack, you said in another post that these girls weren’t “angels.” That is totally irrelevant, of course…’

    There’s also the matter of degree. It’s one thing to be hurtful to some twenty three year old flower of womanhood — it’s a cruel world out there, and you’ve gotta learn to take your lumps. It’s another matter entirely to rape a thirteen year, traffic her body, and then toss her aside when she’s of no further use to you.

    The latest figure I’ve heard for the total of Epstein’s victims is eighty — and these weren’t exactly May-September romances we’re talking about. He was chewing these children up and spitting them out like sunflower seeds. It was utterly disgusting.

    It’s incredible that JackD feels moved to excuse this outrage.

    • Replies: @anon
  243. @Rosie

    But there is a spiritual degradation involved in selling yourself, or worse yet, being sold, that is far above and beyond the mere fact of having one more notch on your bedpost.

    We better avoid this topic. Because:

    a) females tend to be, in some areas, more mature than men; in others, they remain immature or, better, confused. Confused about what do they want or don’t want.

    b) rape, prostitution, submission, degradation,..are among top 5 female erotic fantasies, any age group.

    This area will forever remain controversial & uneasy to speak about. What is, I think obvious, for both females & males- although in different ways: socio-cultural gravitational pull is towards degradation, bestialization, loss of honor & growth of egocentrism falsely presented as individualism.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  244. @Anonymouse

    LOL, great sensualists! Maybe by volume, owing to an ever-expanding register of fetishes and sky-high rates of paraphilia (cf. rates of homosexuality between the Tribe and stodgy Anglos.)

    Like the noble red man, the Chosenite uses every part of the foot to achieve orgasm!

  245. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘What kind of argument is this? You’ll find much more Italian, German, Swedish….groups & individuals working frantically to “save the migrants” & similar BS. Both local Jewish & Israeli groups are of marginal importance re that collective lunatic suicidal endeavor.’

    So survey the numbers. I’ll put my money on Jews being overrepresented.

    I genuinely wish it weren’t so, and I don’t read the sinister import into this pattern of behavior that some do, but it turns out to be the case with almost tedious consistency.

  246. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Organized, funded, and told what to say by … ?
    —-
    –I’ve never seen reason to believe that X exists!
    –Sure X exists, there’s a whole pile of it there.
    –What a silly thing for you to say, don’t you know that there are other letters in the alphabet?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  247. @Jack D

    As if the Bolsheviks weren’t bankrolled. According to Moldbug, it was Wall Street. American finance wasn’t particularly Jewish in those days, so the Soviet Jews were the junior partner, as they are on today’s SJW jihad.

  248. @Rosie

    But there is a spiritual degradation involved in selling yourself, or worse yet, being sold, that is far above and beyond the mere fact of having one more notch on your bedpost.

    But is it any worse from a spiritual point of view than selling yourself to an employer in a job that you hate so that you can pay the bills and feed your family?

    People often take “mental health days” off work, presumably because their job is driving them crazy.

    Prostitution is easy money for little work and requires little skill.

    I would agree that it is very likely to be spiritually demeaning in the sense that having experienced an easy way to earn money once, the individual is more likely to revert to the same in the future when money is needed, and this in turn may lead to difficulties in non remunerated relationships in the future.

    I don’t doubt that you are sincere in your convictions, but it is very difficult to know what other people experience in a situation that you have not experienced yourself.

    It could be that you are thinking that for you to provide sexual services like enhanced massage to a wealthy man would be spiritually demeaning to you, but then most likely you have better ways of financially supporting yourself, would not led into temptation anyway, and are a person who has an interest in spiritual matters.

    In the situation under discussion, there is no indication that the victims were deflowered, impregnated infected with venereal diseases, or physically injured, so claiming that they may have undergone spiritual harm seems a bit nebulous when the law is generally more concerned with nuts and bolts.

    Taking recreational drugs, alcohol, or overeating could also be spiritually harmful.

    However, I do believe in the law. Laws are often quite irrational, which is why they differ greatly from place to place. Epstein could have gone to places where he could have got his needs met legally. It is true that he could not legally get sexual services from women under the age of 18 anywhere, but a man of his means could have gotten them from girls who were 18 years of age but looked younger in many parts of the world.

    But he didn’t. He chose to knowingly break the law in Florida and other parts of the US, (and we can speculate that he was) assuming that the fact that he was extremely wealthy and knew influential people would put him above the law. Or maybe he was just so driven to offend, that he really did not care. We cannot know for sure.

    Therefore, if there is proof that he is guilty of actions that are illegal, he should be punished according to the tariff for that particular offense in that jurisdiction.

    Here in Florida, he could be sent to prison, and then at the end of his sentence he could be civilly committed to a treatment center for sexual offenders for an indeterminate period until his treatment team were convinced that he had developed insight into his compulsions, was able to control them, and no longer represented a danger to the public, in which case they would apply to a court for his release.

    That is how we do it in Florida.

    There could be a question as to whether this is a double jeopardy situation, but my understanding is that he did not show repentance and ask for other offenses to be taken into consideration at the time of the prior sentencing to clear the slate.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Colin Wright
  249. nebulafox says:
    @Desiderius

    The Bolsheviks funded themselves not least through terrorism.

    A disproportionate amount of Jewish intellectuals being attracted to Bolshevism for fairly natural reasons != most Jews being Bolsheviks. Most Jews aren’t even all that bright or well-to-do, because most people aren’t, period. Having an average IQ of 110 rather than 95 doesn’t mean that the majority of your populace become intellectuals. It’s a positive thing to have an average higher-IQed populace, but not *that* positive.

    (I’m a little stunned by how much people online-not directed at you or Jack-don’t get this, TBH.)

    Regarding the latter: I’ve known Chinese guys growing up in the Deep South and Midwest who were shocked when they went to Flushing or the PRC and encountered Chinese construction workers with typical working-class interests and mannerisms, because growing up, all the Chinese they knew had doctorates, were getting them, or were declassed tiger parents who transferred their frustrated ambitions to their children. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a similar dynamic with Jews growing up in non-NYC/Chicago/etc America 70 years ago before America started softening them en masse, leaving the Asians to take over their former role.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  250. guest says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bizarre logic, that. Poland and Hungary are marked with Original Sin for what, exactly? Collaboration with Nazis? Even though they were militarily occupied. And Jews certainly also collaborated.

    Well, nevermind. Take Poland, which suffered under Nazis and Soviets for many decades, losing millions of people. Yadda-yadda. Now they’re buddying up with Israel. This is bad because…holocaust?

    What, does Lipstadt imagine Poles hide a extra row of teeth behind their smiles, with a blade in their pocket, ready to come out once Bibi’s back is turned? That sounds more like another people.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  251. guest says:
    @anonymous

    Eh. Was Coleman ever a national figure? Franken was better known as Stuart Smalley, granted.

    I remember Norm being a Clinton Democrat at one point back whwn, so he race had a uniparty flavor. And there were national balance-of-power implications. But really it was a Minnesota thang.

  252. guest says:
    @Cagey Beast

    It would be fascinating if mass shootings started like that. But outside of black neighborhoods where disagreements lead to “popping off,” I don’t think so.

  253. “What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?” – Norm MacDonald

  254. Of course it’s not the behavior, that must explain why there is so much anti-Amishism/Mennonitism.

    • LOL: Rosie
  255. @Dave Pinsen

    You have a point. I too am in Financial Services and do well because what I sell is not com modified … yet. It will always be better to be smart and connected no matter what the market is or as they say, “Irrespective the weather conditions, the advantage always goes to the better sailor.”

    My point is this; the news media is the ultimate media and because of the internet and disintermediation, a certain group of people no longer have the ball hold they once did on information. That is not coming back either. Epstein is merely an example although he might be a different duck because Trump targeted him but were that not the case, this would have remained swept under the rug forever and Howard Lovy wouldn’t have to face the music. The media is not the political weapon it once was and that makes some people very angry and frightened. It is also seriously fucking up their business models. Now that there is competition for the news why would anybody take NYT word for anything let alone pay for it. Oh well, I did not work in the news / entertainment industry and could not get hired there because of who I am (a straight conservative white male) nor did I receive any favorable treatment or press from it, fact quite the opposite, so I am enjoying the schadenfreude.

    But this is occurring all over the economy. Doctors are threatened because with technology, their field can be de-skilled or shipped off to India as with radiology records and you don’t need to go to a teaching hospital to find out the latest science. It is all right on the internet. Realtors are another “profession” that is overpaid. Accountants and bookkeepers were one of the first to get it in the neck because of computers. I could go on but we don’t need high priests or gatekeepers like we did and that has caused some people to lose their jobs including elites and the well connected.

  256. Anon000 says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Hey, sort of off topic, any confirmation that the youtube guy in SF who called the police on the black guy trying to sneak into his building is jewish? That story died fairly quickly. I thought there’d be at least another couple of days of outrage on that.

    Yes. His name is Christopher Cukor. Jewish name*. He went to Princeton. He’s a good-looking Jew with a striking resemblance to physicist Brian Greene. He’s married to a NE Asian woman (Wang).

    *https://bnaitikvah.org/about-us/lay-leadership/dave_cukor/

    *https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cukor

    *https://www.geni.com/people/Adolph-Zukor/6000000001115097002

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  257. Rosie says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    But is it any worse from a spiritual point of view than selling yourself to an employer in a job that you hate so that you can pay the bills and feed your family?

    I think so. Imagine being in that situation, only you don’t just hate the job, but it also requires you to do something that is diametrically opposed to your most strongly-held moral principles. That is, it requires you to do something that you know is wrong. There is a reason corrupt politicians are called “whores.” They have sold themselves.

    Now, I mean no disrespect to those women who feel, rightly or wrongly, that they have no other choice. As the Muslims say, God is Merciful.

    I also acknowledge that there is a small minority of psychopathic women who are not bothered by it. They do it to get rich, and believe they are the exploiter rather than the exploitee. Perhaps there is a place in society for prostitutes of this kind.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Jonathan Mason
  258. Anon000 says:
    @Desiderius

    The tool of Bolshevism/communism was simply a bulldozer to destroy all nationalisms to then allow international control through finance with the only allowable nationalism being Zionism.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  259. nebulafox says:
    @guest

    Poles faced the death penalty from the Nazis if they helped Jews in any fashion, unlike in Western Europe. Jews in Poland before the war also formed their own parallel society-in stark contrast to say, Germany or Italy, where the much smaller Jewish minority was extremely assimilated and faced relatively much lower-key anti-Semitism from the mainstream. To most Poles, Yiddish might as well have been Turkish. To cap it off, Poland was ruled before the war by a right-wing authoritarian regime with anti-Semitic tendencies, like much of Mittteleuropa.

    All the more ironic to consider the number of Poles engraved among the Righteous.

    These ironies abound, really. Before WWI, Germany was home to an extremely large, legalized mainstream Marxist party in the blood politic and had a fully-integrated, often highly nationalistic Jewish populace. (If the Nazis weren’t anti-Semites, it’s quite probable that many Jews in Germany would have voted for them! Many Italian Jews joined the Fascist Party, which lacked the general race-mania of the Nazis for most of its existence.) Russia had massive institutionalized anti-Semitism and right-wing movements like the Union of the Russian People being the most popular alternatives to the established regime. Who would have ever guessed that Germany would go fascist and Russia would go Bolshevik? Certainly Karl Marx himself wouldn’t have, at least for most of his life.

  260. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘But is it any worse from a spiritual point of view than selling yourself to an employer in a job that you hate so that you can pay the bills and feed your family?’

    You’re serious?

  261. @nebulafox

    That’s nice.

    Jack was making the ridiculous argument that professional Communists can’t be rich. The truth is closer to the opposite

  262. @J.Ross

    Conspiratorial BS. Similar to Israeli hysterical reactions to Ethiopian “Jewish” explosion of vandalism:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/manslaughter-charges-said-off-the-table-for-policeman-who-shot-ethiopian-israeli/
    ………………

    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s son Yair claimed on Friday the recent mass protests were being financed by German money through coexistence NGOs — which are a frequent target of the Israeli right.

    “Everything that happened this week was fueled by the New Israel Fund and Standing Together with German money,” he tweeted. “I wonder what would happen if the Israeli government were to fund German groups who burn police cars, block roads and behave violently.”

    Germans my foot …..

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  263. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon000

    “Christopher” is decidedly not a Jewish name (though there are some Jews named Christopher anyway).

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  264. @peterike

    ‘OT: Troublesome Asian alert!

    A jury found an electrical engineer and University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) professor guilty of exporting stolen U.S. military technology to China.

    UCLA adjunct professor Yi-Chi Shih was convicted June 26 on 18 federal charges and could now lose hundreds of thousands of dollars, while also facing up to 219 years behind bars for numerous violations of the law…’

    Maybe China could formalize that middleman arrangement they’ve already explored with Israel.

    Yeah, they’d have to pay a commission, but if Israel steals the technology, and then it somehow turns up in China, we don’t complain.

    The Chinese are businessmen. It’s just a matter of negotiating the commission.

  265. SFG says:
    @Jack D

    I think they probably do have to convince themselves first. The virtue-signalling in the Forward is quite prominent.

  266. SFG says:
    @Jack D

    Different groups of Jews were capitalists and Communists. (and more were neither.) There is disproportionate representation in both groups, which is kind of ironic, I agree. It makes sense if you follow European history–you had a mercantile minority which was religiously distinct and hence alienated from the power structure and thus prone to anticlerical movements. But it’s still kind of weird.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  267. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    I think so. Imagine being in that situation, only you don’t just hate the job, but it also requires you to do something that is diametrically opposed to your most strongly-held moral principles. That is, it requires you to do something that you know is wrong. There is a reason corrupt politicians are called “whores.” They have sold themselves.

    Come to think of it, another analogy might be an artist or musician who “sells out” their artistic integrity to appeal to the least common denominator, and loses their self-respect as a result.

  268. SFG says:
    @Jack D

    Women tend to fall in love with men they sleep with, so they find prostitution spiritually degrading. A few don’t, and do it for a living.

    The reason men wouldn’t mind doing it is the reason we can’t–the huge number of men willing to have sex for free, and indeed to pay for it, drives the market price for sex with a heterosexual man into the negatives.

    Men and women are different. At least here we can still say that. 😉

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  269. @Jack D

    ‘(You can see it right above – one says “Jews have too much money” and the other says that they were “Jewish Communists”.)

    Which is it, Nazis? Make up your mind.’

    Both? It’s an observable fact that although only one out of every sixty or so Americans are Jewish, one out of every three American billionaires are.

    It’s also an observable fact that although Jews only made up a tiny percentage of the population of the Russian Empire, they were very numerous in the Communist party.

    These are both facts. I’ll leave it to you to concoct an explanation — but they are both facts.

  270. SFG says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A lot of leftier Jews think it’s fundamental for Jews to be fighting against nationalism and in favor of the underdog everywhere.

    I always figured Bibi should do what’s good for his country instead of obsessing over percentages of historical guilt 70 years ago. If getting Hungary on his side will help, why not? They have common interests opposing Islam, and it can’t hurt the sizable Jewish population still in Hungary.

  271. @SFG

    ‘It makes sense if you follow European history–you had a mercantile minority which was religiously distinct and hence alienated from the power structure and thus prone to anticlerical movements. But it’s still kind of weird.’

    It makes more sense if one disregards the ideology and observes that the Communists (1) virtually annihilated the traditional (and Christian) aristocracy, and (2) pauperized and reenserfed the traditional (and Christian) peasantry.

    They then created a new aristocracy which at least initially they dominated, and in which all those once independent and potentially violent peasants were under their direct supervision.

    The contradiction is more apparent than real. In both cases, the Jews climbed to the top of the dog pile. It’s just that in Russia, they had to make a new dog pile.

  272. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @SFG

    Poland is another country where there’s historical baggage but common interests today.

    • Replies: @SFG
  273. SFG says:
    @Lot

    You’ll notice Jews are a lot less popular among the young. (The effect was even stronger in a later version of the poll.) Unfortunately it doesn’t give us a racial breakdown so we can’t tell if it’s the alt-right or the BDSers. (Maybe both?)

    Employers is a little more tricky as they might be self-interestedly responding to positive stereotypes of Jews as bright, hardworking, and good with money. They might even expect one to know someone in New York who could help the company…

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @PV van der Byl
  274. SFG says:
    @Just another serf

    We’d probably be complaining about the radioactive dust that kept blowing over from London and Moscow. Perhaps in German.

    I do think this has to do with (a) running industries where moral corruption is particularly likely (rich men and relatively powerless beautiful young women…what could possibly go wrong?) and (b) not having the same sexual hangups that came with Christianity (though the Orthodox aren’t supposed to screw around either) but having a high neuroticism level.

  275. SFG says:
    @William Badwhite

    He’s got a bit of a hangup, I agree, but without him and Lot this would turn into the old Chateau Heartiste comments where half of them were commenters accusing each other of being secretly Jews.

    Disagreement is good. I’m thankful for Corvinus and Jonathan Mason, without a few liberals nobody would ever have to defend their arguments.

    • Agree: Rosie
  276. @SFG

    ‘A lot of leftier Jews think it’s fundamental for Jews to be fighting against nationalism and in favor of the underdog everywhere…’

    The sentiment would be more laudable if the percentages didn’t so spectacularly plunge if the nationalism and oppression happens to be happening in Israel.

    ‘Progressive except for Palestine,’ as they say. Steven Spielberg is always for the underdog — the slave, the Holocaust victim, the rejected robot — and then gives a million dollars to the IDF to celebrate their invasion of Lebanon.

    • Replies: @SFG
  277. SFG says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Kinda worked in England. I always figured the relative lack of antisemitism in Great Britain had to do with the Rothschilds having helped finance the defeat of Napoleon…if you’ve benefited from a Jewish conspiracy they start to seem less nasty.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  278. SFG says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Agreed, though they’re having a little more trouble with that one–the Israeli foreign minister said something about Poles drinking antisemitism with their mother’s milk.

    Even if that’s true (and I haven’t been to Poland but I doubt it’s that bad), you’re not supposed to say that if you’re the foreign minister.

  279. @Jack D

    It’s a way of propagating the latest party line. It even goes down to the language used.

    Think about it, where have you ever seen the word “canard” used?

    • Agree: AndrewR
  280. SFG says:
    @Richard S

    The Holodomor didn’t get going until the early 30s. The Nazis wouldn’t have known about that (or cared about what one group of Untermenschen was doing to another).

    • Replies: @Richard S
    , @J.Ross
  281. @SFG

    ‘Women tend to fall in love with men they sleep with, so they find prostitution spiritually degrading. A few don’t, and do it for a living.

    The reason men wouldn’t mind doing it is the reason we can’t–the huge number of men willing to have sex for free, and indeed to pay for it, drives the market price for sex with a heterosexual man into the negatives.’

    There’s also the matter of who is penetrating who. I imagine most men would be willing within rather broad limits to have sex with a woman if the payoff was attractive.

    Now, when you’re tossed in that jail cell, and there’s this two hundred and sixty pound biker…well, how much would you want to be paid?

    I just don’t see these attempts to somehow draw an equivalence between a woman prostituting herself and other acts — certainly not if the prostitute in question is thirteen.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Pericles
  282. SFG says:
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    The usual guilt-shame dichotomy is that guilt is based on feeling bad about what you’ve done and shame is about what people will think. Your argument is that Jews have shame but no guilt.

    In terms of guilt versus shame, though, both Judaism and Christianity focus on guilt (as does Islam); I’m guessing this is one of those things Christianity carried over from Judaism. Shame cultures are in the East (part of the reason China is so low-trust, I suspect).

  283. SFG says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If it invalidates your debt…

  284. SFG says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m actually not defending it; I’d rather Jews become nationalists of the countries they’re in (or go to Israel).

    Seriously, you are correct, and this is becoming a huge split on the Jewish left as the contradictions become even more obvious. If you read the Forward you can see the younger lefty Jews turning on Israel and Birthright, etc. trying to whitewash their treatment of the Palestinians.

    There’s also a smaller number of Stephen Miller/Mike Savage/Mark Levin types who will defend nationalism in America and Israel.

  285. SFG says:
    @Tom Verso

    I’ve got nothing against Catholics, Vatican II or otherwise, but he seemed to be starting the fight to me. I’m no expert on Christianity but that seems…un-Christian?

  286. SFG says:
    @Jack D

    It WAS effing weird! I’d never seen that before and it’s frankly the only occurrence of this supposedly free-floating intense antigentilism I saw growing up… until ‘woke’ types like Michelle Goldberg popped up on my radar sometime in the mid-2010s. Reading Masha Gessen, Tim Wise, and the like has made me really understand where the alt-right is coming from. I mean, jeez…you don’t want them to think you’re trying to replace them, don’t brag about it. But, of course, they are.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  287. Richard S says:
    @SFG

    If you’ll forgive me for saying so, I think that’s utterly false. Nazism only makes sense in its historical context as a reaction to Bolshevism (and the spate of failed revolutions across Central Europe following WW1). Hitler observed in his book that the Germanic ruling class in the Russian empire had been eradicated for the purpose of replacing the leadership stratum with people of racially Jewish descent.

    I’m attempting to explain why the Nazis felt they were in an existential struggle against mass murderers who were plotting not just to overthrow the pre-Soviet system, but the entire European (Aryan) Order.

    Additionally, how many ordinary blue-eyed peasants died under Lenin and Trotsky, in the Revolution and Civil War? A decade before collectivisation and the Stalinist terror?

  288. @R.G. Camara

    I think Steve might have been the one to point out the difference between Jewish guilt and regular white American guilt.

    Jewish guilt: I haven’t done enough to help out my fellow Jews.

    White guilt: I haven’t done enough to help out non-whites.

  289. Richard S says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I’m not saying the Nazis were correct in their analysis, I’m trying to show how your assumption that the German “task forces” weren’t motivated by the urge to fight back against Jewish behaviour (or, say, how Jewish behaviours were interpreted) is wrong.

    Ernst Nolte made the politically incorrect but totally accurate point that the Nazis learned from the Bolsheviks, and that the biggest difference between “Hitlerism” and “Stalinism” is that Joe left his innocent victims to starve slowly to death while Adolf had them murdered quickly.

    Maybe the millions of Soviet citizens who fought in German uniform were wrong, but the point is to understand how they perceived reality, don’t you agree?

    Will you kindly cite your evidence for the contention that “millions” of “apolitical, poor Jewish peasants” were killed by communists?

  290. Lot says:
    @SFG

    “Employers is a little more tricky as they might be self-interestedly responding to positive stereotypes of Jews as bright, hardworking”

    One reason that ADL “antisemitism” polls are worthless crap. They ask about positive/neutral stereotypes. So hispanics not up to date with PC answer “Agree” to “Jews are good with money” and then get labeled antisemites.

  291. @Dave Pinsen

    That was my thought, too. But the guy checks every other box.

  292. @Jack D

    But as others have said, he maybe “deserved” it in the karmic sense, for being a Leftist and a jerk. It’s hard to shed a lot of tears when the Revolution eats its own.

    Just when I began to wonder why I liked you so much, after reading your Epstein mitigation, you offer a well done smackdown of The Steve(tm) for defending the rabid Franken.

  293. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Setting the incoherent stuff aside, it your argument that we’re hypocritically okay with white open borders types such as the Kochs?

  294. J.Ross says:
    @SFG

    Germans received refugees bearing horror stories for years and upon “liberating” parts of the Soyuz had access to records and witnesses.

  295. J.Ross says:
    @SFG

    Decoration hostility was a thing in Postville, but of course Haredi gangster obnoxiousness is not representative of mainstream American Jewry.

  296. J.Ross says:
    @Lurker

    Didn’t Lipstadt’s lawyers want to keep her off the stand in her trial with Irving?

  297. @SFG

    See also Christianity.

  298. @Rosie

    I think so. Imagine being in that situation, only you don’t just hate the job, but it also requires you to do something that is diametrically opposed to your most strongly-held moral principles.

    I guess I would not, like if I was offered a lot of money to have homosexual sex with a rich man.

    Actually this did happen to me once, in 1982 when I was better looking than I am now and my employer at the time took me on a sail on his yacht in the Great Sound in Bermuda and suggested things that I did not wish to do, and I didn’t. I was later also propositioned by his brother, who said that he loved me with the same result. I had to explain to him that at the age of 78, he was too old for me at 31, besides which I was not gay and had no intention of trying it, and that he had a long-term boyfriend of his own.

    I had actually completely forgotten about this episode until I started to write this comment, as it is not something that I dwell on and it is nearly 40 years ago now.

    However, I have no idea what strongly-held moral principles the young women who were pimped to Epstein held, and nor do you.

    I did work for some time in a prison for young offenders, who were for the most part unpleasant young hoods and early lifetime criminals–though they were pleasant enough to me. (Incidentally I have also worked in a treatment center for sexual predators–but that is another story.)

    At weekends there would be visitation at the prison, and there was a steady stream of young girlfriends and baby mamas and the occasional wife, who were willing to give up their weekends to visit the young gentlemen bearing gifts and toddlers.

    Occasionally they even got themselves arrested trying to bring in contraband gifts, such as marijuana. Then they cried as they were taken away in sheriff’s office cars.

    I do not know what strongly-held moral principles they had. Stand by your man, I suppose. But if they were willing to have sex with these pathetically stupid, face-tattooed young criminals for free, I suspect they would also have been willing to have sex for money with the odd billionaire, if they could find one, to pass the time while their beloved was locked away, and even accept a ride to his private island on his private jet if they had a passport.

    I don’t know this for sure, but I suspect it.

    People have different experiences in life and I suspect that Jack D and I have seen different aspects of human behavior from others who disagree with us where we agree (and we don’t agree on everything.) People’s opinions are the sum of their experiences, and they are entitled to them, but in the end we just have to agree to disagree.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    , @Rosie
    , @ATBOTL
  299. @Jim Christian

    “They’ve deliberately crushed the very people who have been their protectors the past 80 years or so.”

    Just another hate fact , and/or Abhoriginal Sin that even moderate Jewish commenters like Tdzak D are having a hard time reconciling.

    They simply can’t Do The Huwhite Thing.

  300. anon[908] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’s incredible that JackD feels moved to excuse this outrage.”

    Is it, Colin? Is it really?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  301. @Colin Wright

    Now, when you’re tossed in that jail cell, and there’s this two hundred and sixty pound biker…well, how much would you want to be paid?

    Prisons in the US are subject to the PREA Act of 2003. PREA establishes a zero-tolerance standard against sexual abuse of incarcerated persons of any age.

    In addition, prisons have detailed systems of classification, so that cell-mates can only be assigned if compatible by numerous categories including gang affiliation, violent offender or not, age, race, potential end-of-sentence date, and so on. Another category they are classified on is WEIGHT. You have to share a cell with someone the same size as you.

    None of this stops people who know nothing about prisons fantasizing about puny criminals being anally raped by gangs of obese Hell’s Angels who hang around prison reception and classification centers waiting to tear the new arrivals a new one.

    So enjoy your fantasies while ye may.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  302. @Jonathan Mason

    It’s too bad there’s not a prize for missing the point.

  303. inertial says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwi_Migdal

    Oh wow! Thanks a lot for this bit of info. It clears up the questions I’ve long had about Sholem Aleichem’s short story The Man From Buenos Ayres.

    In the story, Sholem Aleichem gives increasingly dark hints about what the title character does for a living but never spells it out explicitly. The reader is expected to understand. If this were a modern story I’d conclude that the man was a drug kingpin. But in the early 1900s?

    Now it’s all becomes clear. Argentinian Jewish prostitution ring must have been a common knowledge at the time, even in Russia.

  304. @Desiderius

    It was the German Imperial government that provided the financial foundation of the Bolshevik Party with 26 million gold marks (300, 000 troy ounces now worth about $420 million). This was during the first World War and motivated by the justified German belief that Lenin would prove so disruptive in Russia it would lead to the collapse of the Russian war effort.

    No other group or activity provided remotely this level of support to Bolshevism: not “Wall Street” and certainly not terrorism.

    Moreover, the German Foreign Ministry and General Staff arranged Lenin’s transportation from Switzerland to Russia (the “Sealed Train” traveled through Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland) while Germany and Russia were at war.

    In 1917, Lenin had been living in poverty and almost complete obscurity in a working class section of Zurich. He seemed so unimportant that that then junior US diplomat and future CIA director Allen Dulles declined Lenin’s request to meet on the day before he embarked on his train trip (Dulles didn’t want to cancel a scheduled tennis match).

    Historians Edward Crankshaw, Michael Pearson, Richard Pipes, and Sean McMeekin are among those who have written about these events.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Desiderius
  305. @J

    ‘…Yes. There are nor ever were Jews in, say, Malaysia or Indonesia, yet they hate Jews. There are no Jews in Pakistan for the last seventy years, and before then there were maybe 20,000 (in a population over 100,000,000) yet they think they know what Jews are and they hate them ferociously…’

    If so, I would imagine they base their opinion on the behavior of Israel.

  306. @anon

    ‘“It’s incredible that JackD feels moved to excuse this outrage.”

    Is it, Colin? Is it really?

    You’ve got a point.

  307. @SFG

    You’ll notice Jews are a lot less popular among the young.

    Is that because the young are more perceptive than their elders or simply more “woke”?

  308. @PV van der Byl

    It’s almost as if the most organized and powerful institution in the world in 1914 to mid-1918 was the German General Staff.

  309. The Craw says:
    @Jack D

    “The problem with stereotypes (when you are a victim of them) is that while they may contain a nugget of truth in relation to certain members of your race they don’t necessarily apply to you and it feels very unfair to you when you are tarred with that brush.”

    During yesterday’s defense of Epstein’s sexual preferences Jack D assserted twice that (all) 15 year old Puerto Rican girls were reproductive prodigies capable of becoming pregnant by merely shaking hands with a man.

    Just sayin’

    • LOL: Rosie
  310. @Steve Sailer

    Arguably, yes. Germans have always been very good about seeing the first order consequences of almost any move.

    The problems arise ………….with the second and third iterations.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  311. @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan, I don’t always agree with you but I have enjoyed all your comments. Apart from “Theodore Dalrymple (AKA Tony Daniels), I can’t think of anyone else I read that can offer a similar perspective on the underclass.

    I encourage you to share more of your observations of various criminal types!

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  312. @PV van der Byl

    A lot of the German government’s ploys during WWI were … remarkable, such as the Zimmerman Telegram. The German F.O. thought the Balfour Declaration a great idea and wanted to issue their own Balfour Declaration supporting a Jewish national homeland, until the Ottomans pointed out that they owned Palestine.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Not Raul
  313. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The general explanation is that both capitalists and communists sought the centralization of wealth and power away from the majority and national interests. The Bolsheviks were regarded as international communists who were hostile to the Russian and other national majorities, and the international bankers were international capitalists who were hostile to national majorities as well.

    You can see a similar dynamic today, where people will promote both globalist, “woke” corporations and bigger government. There’s ostensibly a contradiction between the two, but they’re both supported because they both promote the centralization of wealth and power away from national majorities.

  314. @J.Ross

    I thought he is contrasting Judaism with Catholicism. Does confession in Catholicism require confessing to the wronged party? I thought it was the Church in the form of the Priest. FWIW Judaism does require appeasement of the wronged party. Here is Maimonides ,Laws of Repentance Chapter 2 section 9

    “Repentance and Yom Kippur only atone for sins between man and God; for example, a person who ate a forbidden food or engaged in forbidden sexual relations, and the like. However, sins between man and man; for example, someone who injures a colleague, curses a colleague, steals from him, or the like will never be forgiven until he gives his colleague what he owes him and appeases him. Even if a person restores the money that he owes [the person he wronged], he must appease him and ask him to forgive him.”

  315. Rosie says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I do not know what strongly-held moral principles they had.

    That wasn’t the point. I was simply trying to explain the difference between selling your labor and selling yourself.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  316. Bill says:
    @Brabantian

    Those files already serve as blackmail materials (in this theory). How does arresting Epstein change that? Perhaps it’s a fight over who gets to do the blackmailing? An attempt to stop the blackmailing?

  317. Ahem says:

    Malaysia? Indonesia, Pakistan?

    The rarity of Jews in those regions has absolutely no bearing on the intensity of Jew hatred. It has everything to do with the Islamic belief system.

    Try reading Islam’s holy books – The Koran, The verses of abrogation, the authentic (ie. valid) Hadiths.

    All of those holy books overflow with hatred of Jews.

  318. Alden says:
    @William Badwhite

    Absolutely right. Good post thank you.

  319. @Robert Dolan

    Reminds me of a “conversation” that I overheard yeaaaaaaaaaaars ago, or something close to it…

    Person A: Hey hey hey, don’t say that, you can’t say that, it’s wrong.

    Person B: Why can’t I say it, what’s wrong with saying what I just said?

    Person A: It’s very anti-semitic!

    Person B: What’s wrong with that?

    Person A: *gasps* What do you mean “what’s wrong with that”, anti-semitism is a disease…

    *interrupts him

    Person B: Yeah, antisemitism is a disease and you catch it from the jews

  320. Mr. Anon says:
    @BB753

    Damage control. It reminds me of the Maddoff affair. Suddenly, he was deprived of his Jewish ethnicity by the MSM. Jews can do no wrong.

    Today, the prosecutors in the case announced that they will try Mr. Epstein as a Gentile.

  321. @Brabantian

    Wikipedia, run by Jewish ex-pornographer Jimmy Wales, attending intimate birthday parties of Israeli presidents, has edited Epstein’s biography to delete the USA Democrats connected with Epstein … and also to delete any references that Epstein is Jewish

    Wales is not Jewish, but whatever.

  322. @Charon

    It’s all about you, is that what you’re saying?

    No, it’s about Al. Why would he flash a grin to a stranger right after being hounded out of the Senate? He must do it to everybody.

    Except you, perhaps. Go back to your dwarf planet.

  323. @Bill P

    If it’s all about “us Jews vs. the world” then what’s so wrong with defiling pubescent shiksas?

    I suspect the girls were long past “defiling”. Virgins don’t generally offer sexual services for money. These were basically hookers who happened to be under 18. Note that the current age of consent (18) is of relatively recent vintage. It was enacted about a century ago, around the time that alcohol and drug prohibition came into being, by a common set of progressives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States#History

    As someone who has never had any interest in teenage women or homosexuality, I’ve nonetheless been nonplussed by laws that once targeted homosexuals and now men or women who have sexual contact with teens past the age of puberty. We’ve infantilized teenagers, despite the fact that puberty was once considered the age of majority, until Christian clerical zealots got it jacked up to 18.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority#Religious_law

    I have the distinct impression that they would have jacked it up to 28, if they’d had their druthers, and it had not interfered with the propagation of their flocks.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  324. @petit bourgeois

    Katy is a fan of the band Phish and frequently drops snippets of their lyrics while on camera. Gets some extra attention that way among fans.

  325. @PV van der Byl

    That was the seed capital. The Germans shortly thereafter had difficulty financing a loaf of bread, whereas on Wall Street things were Roaring.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  326. @Anon000

    You were doing so well there until the end where you stepped on the rake.

  327. J says: • Website
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Nice and true insight. Religious Jews do not torture themselves with universal, imaginary sins (like being born in sin), they have six hundred commandments to comply with, in addition to the infinite number of refinements elucubrated by the rabbi, may he live long. Their sins are more of the type of tasting sea food or watching TV on Saturday. Non-religious Jews (the vast majority) may no sleep because of the Extinction of the California Pacific Sardine (Sardinops sagax caerulea), the rise of carbon dioxide in the stratosphere causing Global Warming or the Population Time Bomb, but from my point of view, they are not really Jews. They may be nice people, good citizens, but not Jews.

  328. @Jack D

    It’s not really clear to me how destroying major Democrat supporters like Harvey Weinstein would get fewer women to vote Republican.

    You may well be right. My guess is that defending a prominent pederast would cause women to _stop_ voting Democrat.

    Blacks are not what I would call “swing voters”

    Well, originally they were, back in AD 1927. Black voters in the South were Republican starting from Reconstruction. Almost nobody else in the South voted Republican. That changed after the great flood off the Mississippi River in AD 1927 [1,2]. Republican party opposed extensive aid to the flooded area, Democratic party favored extensive aid. That’s when the Democratic party first demonstrated that the Black vote could be purchased for money. At that time, the Blacks were a classical swing vote — they rceived money, and that decided their vote.
    Since then, the Black vote has been solidly Democratic, and it has produced enough Democratic representatives that it appears to be part of the Democratic base. This is an illusion. The Democratic party has consistently been giving Blacks things that the Republican party would not since AD 1927. The failure of Blacks to vote for Hillary as President show that the Black vote is not ideological. Judging from Obama’s popularity, Black turnout would have been much higher given a Black candidate.
    One can conjecture that the recent “abolish whiteness” campaign was originally no more than an attempt to transform the Black voting block from a swing voting block to a “core” voting block that votes because of ideology. If so, the effort failed for Hillary and has become like the little campfire that grew up to burn down a forest, although in fact the fire is reported as most fierce among “white radicals”.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927
    2] Randy Newman.
    “Louisiana 1927”.

    And part of a documentary:
    “A Tale of Two Rivers–Mississippi River Flood of 1927 excerpt part 1”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  329. @Calvin Hobbes

    The existence of the phrase “a shanda for the Goyim” means there was a time when Jews thought they should try to make the Goyim think well of them by not behaving badly.

    It wasn’t that long ago that blacks thought the same way.

  330. @Jack D

    Blacks are swing voters in that they don’t vote Democratic because they believe in any general principles; they do so for what the democrats do for them. Single issue voters, in a way. No pay, no votes, as shown by their rejection of Hillary as not a second Black president.

    Defending H. Weinstein, who is reported to be a pederast, would demotivate women from voting for the Democratic Party _because_ he is a major Democratic supporter. Most people don’t know what a “major Democratic supporter” is like, and would assume H. Weinstein was typical.

    Counterinsurgency

  331. @JimDandy

    Jewish unity has eroded for some reason.

    Historical reasons for abandonment of Judaism.
    Judaism is a lot of work. Sure, after it’s done then “The Jew doesn’t keep the Sabbath, the Sabbath keeps the Jew” is broadly true, but doing it takes up considerable time and effort. There is a theory that Jewish populations that vanished during the European Dark Ages simply didn’t have the time for the study required for serious Judaism.

    After WW II, there was considerable discussion of the vanishing Jewish population. It seems that US Jews were abandoning Judaism (as Catholics were abandoning Catholicism) because the protection offered was no longer worth the effort.

    Countering abandonment of Judaism in the USA after WW II.
    This abandonment of US Judaism was countered by an effort to terrify young Jews, to convince them that the surrounding society could murder hem (or perhaps change the laws to legally kill them) with no warning. Not giving offense was mentioned in this indoctrination as ineffective, since no Jewish population had ever given offense to those who attacked it.

    Evaluation:
    This US indoctrination effort has, to some extent, preserved Judaism, and has kept it separate from non-Jewish society, but only at the expense of putting the Jewish establishment in its rather precarious situation. The indoctrination (clearly) reduced the number of non-Jewish defenders, and produced an effort to strong-arm Christian churches to defend Jewish populations on rather flimsy doctrinal grounds (e.g. “The Jews were ordained by God to be Lawmakers. Do what they say.”), and has been only marginally effective. The re-building Judaism on a foundation of “They’re trying to kill you” has also left Judaism with no basis to criticize people like H. Weinstein or Epstein, hence no ability to prevent flamboyantly repulsive behavior. The indoctrination appears to have been a misstep.

    Counterinsurgency

  332. @Bardon Kaldian

    >One easily detects difference in spirit when reading the epic of Gilgamesh & Hebrew Bible on one hand and Athenian tragedians & Plato on the other.

    I am so glad you mentionned my man (Plato) about whose dialogues I speak authoritatively. Take the Lysis, for example. Benardete in a paper on that dialogue starts off by saying “In the Lysis Plato has Socrates present himself at his sleaziest.” As it turns out, at the end of the dialogue, Socrates reminds the 2 beautiful young boys that in the homo-erotic nexus of attending school in which young men ogle the most beautiful students they must necessarily be friendly towards a genuine erotic suitor. The boys reluctantly acknowledge that necessity – Ὁ μὲν οὖν Λύσις καὶ ὁ Μενέξενος μόγις πως ἐπενευσάτην. Literally, they nodded reluctantly. It’s like telling young girls of the necessity that they bear children in pain. Hey guess what, my fellow non-semites? The Sunday-school Socrates we are told about is bs. Socrates is represented throughout the Platonic corpus as the most erotic of men combined with perfect self-control of that affect. In the Charmides he gets an erection of his penis when he glimpses Charmides’ junk, but thinks it away with the aid of a monitory scrap of poetry by a homo-erotic poet to the effect that the beautiful young boy is to be feared as the lion the fawn, reversing the roles, ya’ know. Same story in the Arabian Nights.

    We are all sensualists, jew and gentile alike. Like I’ve say, the jews are just like everybody else except more so. Its ressentiment, envy of the guy or gal that’s getting in real life what you ain’t, you schlub, behind the accusation that jews behave badly.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  333. @Counterinsurgency

    How is Harvey Weinstein a pederast? His taste seemed to be exactly the same as the male general public: for the 20-something actresses in his movies.

  334. Rosie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    We’ve infantilized teenagers, despite the fact that puberty was once considered the age of majority, until Christian clerical zealots got it jacked up to 18.

    This is psychologically and neurologically illiterate.

    https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/

  335. @CharlieKnows

    Yeah, but don’t forget that Plato’s views changed over time. Also, his Socrates remains enigmatic. I may agree with George Steiner (Poetry of Thought) that Plato’s Socrates was the greatest literary character ever created, just Plato’s thought, as he aged, seems to have moved more & more in the totalitarian direction: his substitute proposes death penalty for homosexuals.

    • Replies: @CharlieKnows
    , @Anonymouse
  336. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    “pantomiming a grope of a busty model”

    Who was not a willing participant in the pantomime, being asleep. Also, don’t liberals support military women? Strange way to show it.

  337. Marcus says:
    @Richard S

    Hitler said that the “Jewish rule” (communism) in Russia was a blessing since it would be easier to defeat than the czarist government, which he believed was Germanic.

  338. @Rosie

    That wasn’t the point. I was simply trying to explain the difference between selling your labor and selling yourself.

    Yes, but when you perform a minor sexual service for someone, you are not selling your “self”.

    If you were taking money to be a surrogate mother, in other words renting out your womb to others whom you are not biologically related, that would be more like it, though even that is not totally selling your “self”.

    What Melania is doing would be closer to self-selling, when she bears a child for her purchaser, changes her name to his, is assigned the title of FLOTUS, and is under surveillance by armed guards at all times. A high price for a green card.

    There are advertisements online asking for women to earn as much as $100,000 for having a child for someone. Now that is much closer to selling yourself, if you like, and a child too.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=surrogate+mothers&pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Anonymous
  339. @PV van der Byl

    Jonathan, I don’t always agree with you but I have enjoyed all your comments. Apart from “Theodore Dalrymple (AKA Tony Daniels), I can’t think of anyone else I read that can offer a similar perspective on the underclass.

    I encourage you to share more of your observations of various criminal types!

    Thank you for your kind remarks. I should not be mentioned in the same breath as Daniels, who is a very interesting writer who has published a number of books. He was formerly a prison psychiatrist in England.

    However, in general on the Internet, it is much more interesting to read comments by people who have first hand knowledge of what they write about, and conversely, many people are more than willing to offer opinions on matters of which they have no first hand knowledge other than what they have gleaned from mass media.

    There is not much to be said about criminal types that cannot be found in Daniel’s book Life At The Bottom, since criminals are mostly stupid and boring. The vast majority of politicians these days seems to get seduced into a life of crime sooner or later when they discover that they can use their public service position for self-enrichment, but they belong to a different genus from petty criminals and carjackers.

    I don’t know if you can recognize criminals from their faces, but if you meet someone with tattoos on their face or neck, that is usually a giveaway. Daniels says that criminals have a characteristic ‘vulpine’ gait, but I think he is just being sarcy.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/117161.Life_at_the_Bottom

  340. Rosie says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes, but when you perform a minor sexual service for someone, you are not selling your “self”.

    You are looking at the matter objectively, and not on a good way. I am not trying to convince you that it is rational; I am merely telling you how it makes us feel. Again, I understand that women’s feelings are considered irrelevant around here, but I would hope that we could at least agree that we shouldn’t destroy the self-respect of teenagers, however you may personally feel about prostitution. And again, it does destroy their self-respect, whether you think it should or not.

    How about this: Do you like fat women?

    No. That’s irrational! Fat women are more likely to be able to carry a pregnancy to term during a famine. Maybe you need to work on overcoming your irrational aversion to fat.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  341. @Bardon Kaldian

    >Yeah, but don’t forget that Plato’s views changed over time. Also, his Socrates remains enigmatic. I may agree with George Steiner (Poetry of Thought) that Plato’s Socrates was the greatest literary character ever created, just Plato’s thought, as he aged, seems to have moved more & more in the totalitarian direction: his substitute proposes death penalty for homosexuals (my emphasis).

    I presume you don’t actually read Plato but rely on secondary sources. About the death penalty for homosexuals, if you are to be taken seriously, you must cite specific passages, not throw around bare unsupported assertions like your last one. I am guessing that you are referring, second hand, to something the Athenian stranger says in the Laws. I don’t have Morrow’s go-to book on the Laws on hand. If I did, I would look for homosexuality in that book’s excellent index. I imagine if there is a death penalty for homosexuals it wouldn’t refer to the homosexual tendency itself but to corrupting of the youth.

    The point I would like to emphasize is that if there is a difference between the ancient Greeks and barbarian tribes it lies in self-control relatively speaking. Everyone is naturally licentious, all are would-be sensualists, including the jew hating commenters here who decry jewish bad behavior.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  342. @SFG

    Yes I agree, he’s a valuable commenter 90% of the time, particularly on legal issues, he just has a serious blind spot on this particular issue. Agree on Jonathan. Disagree on Corvinus – one of the lowest quality commenters here by far. He’s not a liberal as far as I can tell, his whole act is just to disagree with everyone and say silly things like “I have argumentative chops”. I muted him a long time ago. At least Tiny Duck is entertaining, Corky is merely tiresome.

  343. AaronB says:
    @Bill P

    Exactly the opposite, my friend.

    What you are seeing now is the behavior of Jews who have adopted amoral secular European culture – materialism, Darwinism, scientism, nihilism, ruthless capitalism, etc.

    This is Jews on European drugs. They are no different than the predatory, exploitative Europeans from the 17th century onwards, who were on the same drugs.

    Jews who practice Jewish spirituality would cause you no trouble and be a valuable element in your civilization.

    That you blame spirituality, and not the amoral secular culture of Europe, for Jewish predatory behavior that matches European predatory behavior based on the same philosophy, reminds me once again of how whites these days can only offer solutions from within the same spiritual framework that has caused their problems.

    Yes, we need more secular materialistic Jews. That will help.

  344. I’m sure that in the numerous and lengthy comments above, several people have refuted the charge more eloquently and thoroughly than I could, but I have to add my 2c and my personal objections to this screed. To wit: when did opposition to child rape become synonymous with antisemitism? I thought standing up for children was just common human decency. Guess I’ve been wrong all these years. The truth is that I secretly hate my two Jewish sisters in law and their kids! Who knew?

  345. @Jack D

    Since our Constitution was intended to insure that there would be no established Church in the US

    The 1st Amendment (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”) meant no establishment of a Federal religion which could eclipse state religions. At the time, a number of states had official religions. The Church of England was Virginia’s official religion until 1786, only a year prior to the Constitution being ratified.

    The idea that no state, municipality, high school football team or marching band, etc can say prayers came much later and I’ll leave who led the push for that aside for now.

  346. @Jack D

    The problem with stereotypes (when you are a victim of them) is that while they may contain a nugget of truth in relation to certain members of your race they don’t necessarily apply to you and it feels very unfair to you when you are tarred with that brush.

    All well and good Jack, but irrelevant to the question at hand.

    The point is that anti-semitism is hardly some notion unreleated to what Jews do. Jews have a number of stereotypical behaviors–personal, economic and political and particularly in interactions with non-Jews–that are annoying, unpleasant and on the political side outright destructive. Non-Jews are not imagining these things they are real. Just as real a high black criminality. (BTW, middle man minorities are generally going to be unloved. Jews have just piled onto that general unlovedness, with high levels of outgroup directed hostility and political agitation.)

    Jews constantly pretending that there’s this weird “anti-semitism” “virus” that’s irrational and responsible for various majorities negative opinions is just nonsense. In fact, it’s … another annoying stereotypical trait of Jews–loads of b.s. instead of straight shooting.

    • Agree: Moses
  347. @Rosie

    You would do well to at least attempt to be sensitive to that, although I understand that women’s “feelz” are something of a laughing matter in dissident right circles.

    Rosie, i agree more with you than JackD here.

    However, on this “feelz” issue you’re over generalizing on the alt-right. The mocking of women’s “feelz” isn’t about women who take their sexuality, their chastity, their marriage vows seriously. Nor is about how women feel about women’s concerns like motherhood.

    Mocking women’s “feelz” is precisely about mocking this all too common pattern of women substituting their feelings for rational thought. (I feel it so it’s true.) This pops up when women come up with these convoluted explanations for why they are really entitled to be teached as a madonna when they behave like a whore. And women’s “feelz” are a particularly disasterous approach when it comes to political matters.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  348. @SFG

    Disagreement is good. I’m thankful for Corvinus and Jonathan Mason, without a few liberals nobody would ever have to defend their arguments.

    I do not think I am a liberal.

    I would describe myself as very conservative in some respects, somewhat libertarian as far as individuals are concerned, less so regarding corporations, and willing to adopt some more socialist policies in government where they make more sense than relying on commerce.

    So kind of middle-of-the-road. I do not want my life and that of my family to be unduly regulated by government or controlled by corporations. I have lived in other countries where there was more personal freedom than in the US. We have to give up some personal freedoms for the chance to get paid in the overvalued currency of the US dollar, which makes many luxuries available to persons in the US, that are not available to people doing the exact same work in other countries.

  349. AaronB says:

    There is a very real problem here.

    Should you apologize for genuine faults and mistakes to people who hate you and are not acting in good faith?

    Obviously, you should be self critical among your own people, and obviously you should apologize to those who friendly and acting in good faith towards you – but should you play into the hands of avowed enemies?

    The answer must surely be a resounding no. So we can establish a clear principle – whether one should apologize depends not only on whether one has committed a genuine fault, but also on whether the other party will act in good faith towards you.

    That many people hate Jews no matter what they do is undeniable – on this site I have learned the following: Jews are responsible for the Armenian genocide, Jews are responsible for Saudi Wahabism, Jews are responsible for promoting Islam in the West, Jews are responsible for hatred of Islam in the West, Jews are responsible for Hindu fundamentalism and Hindutva, Jews are rootless cosmopolitan without a country, Jews have no right to a country, Jews are responsible for destroying the rational culture of the Enlightenment , Jews created the Enlightenment, Jews destroyed Christianity the source of Western strength, Jews created Christianity to weaken the West, and so on endlessly.

    It is obvious that Jews perform a mythic function for mankind – The Great Scapegoat – and that this is indeed the role Jews were chosen by God to fill. May we prove worthy.

    All who hate spirituality will hate Jews – this is a given.

    But the question for Jews in this environment must become, when it is appropriate to apologize, if ever?

    • Troll: MBlanc46
  350. @Bardon Kaldian

    This area will forever remain controversial & uneasy to speak about. What is, I think obvious, for both females & males- although in different ways: socio-cultural gravitational pull is towards degradation, bestialization, loss of honor & growth of egocentrism falsely presented as individualism.

    Good post Bardon. And the above is an excellent paragraph.

    Every parent–who’s not a bozo–looks at what’s dished out in our culture–mostly by Hollyweird (Hollyweird’s Jews since we’re on a “Jew thread”), but also from other media, culture and the schools and academia–with some combination of disgust and despair. This sewer is out “culture”? How do i protect my kids from it? This is the “civilization” my children will inherit from me?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  351. @Jonathan Mason

    What Melania is doing would be closer to self-selling, when she bears a child for her purchaser, changes her name to his, is assigned the title of FLOTUS, and is under surveillance by armed guards at all times. A high price for a green card.

    I’ll just let the emptiness of that sit there.

    Yes, marriage is “transactional”. Females providing sex, childbearing/rearing and homemaking in return for males providing provision. But it is not “selling yourself”.

    Men and women are complementary. And marriage is how we complement each other in a civilized society. It is far, far different–better, more important, civilization enhancing, life enhancing–than prostitution, despite all the stupid feminist bromides aimed at it.

    (If your jab was only at Melania… it’s obvious as a very attractive woman she had many marriage options open to her and could get a green card easily as part of that. Presumably she chose Trump because his big swinging dick persona was appealing to her. The state and dynamics of their marriage–neither you nor I have the real word on.)

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  352. @Bardon Kaldian

    You don’t know jack about Plato’s views. He represents Socrates as the most erotic of men with fantastic self-control. In the Charmides, Socrates sees Charmides’ junk and gets an erection of the penis. He thinks away the erection with the aid of a scrap of monitory poetry written by a homosexual about fearing the beautiful young boy as a lion on a fawn, reversing the roles, ya’ know.

    Ancient Athens was drenched in sensuality. Like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, they had their voluptuaries, Socrates not among them. The jews who ran brothels in Buenes Aires and in Poland were not religious. They were wiseguys. The emancipation of the jews after the tenets of the French Revolution spread east permitted wiseguy jews to flout the commands of their religion. I’m sure there was a bandit element among the jews also before their emancipation. Like the brigands in Greece and in Serbia. The jews are just like everyone else only more so.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  353. @Rosie

    I am merely telling you how it makes us feel.

    You know how it makes YOU feel, you do not know how these girls felt.

    This was part of the problem with Rotherham. Prostitution is legal in Britain. Many of the girls told the social workers that they were doing what they wanted to do, and the social workers, according to their training, were supposed to help the girls adjust to their chosen way of life, not tell them that their choice was wrong or immoral, or bad for them.

    Well, they were wrong, weren’t they. They should have seen their role primarily as collectors of evidence for prosecutors, and should have ensured that the girls were not free to be on the streets, or leave their care homes in taxis.

    But had the girls been interviewed by police, as some of them were, they would nearly always deny that there was a problem or that they were being coerced. There were some exceptions to the rule.

    Some years ago I worked with teenage prostitutes who were in the custody of the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice. One girl who was only thirteen claimed that she had had 750 sexual partners, but I have to doubt her veracity. Another was released into the custody of her pimp when she reached the age of 18, and had been telling her friends that they were going to travel to California. The girls were locked up, but they were extremely sexually active with each other, and I was told that there was only one girl who did not participate. (I know the reason why, but will not write it here.)

    The reason all these girls were prolific prostitutes was linked to drug usage in all cases. It was extremely difficult to turn them around and get them to abandon their way of life once released into the community.

    However I never heard of any prosecutions of men who had been their pimps or johns. It was just like the legal system would rather not know, so not much different from Rotherham.

    Anyway, it is not a question of how the girls felt. It is a question of people doing things that are illegal, either in a executive, managerial or as technical role, and have tariffs of penalties attached to them.

    What is so ridiculous about the previous Epstein conviction was that he was allowed to live in luxury for his short time in prison, like some South American drug lord living in prison with servants and a private chef, showing that the legal system in the US is not really that much different from the supposedly more corrupt nations to the south.

    But it does not have to be so. From today’s news:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3463154/Paedophile-Stuart-Hall-insists-S-victim-interview-release-jail-abusing-13-girls-young-9.html

    How about this: Do you like fat women?

    Fat women may indeed be able to continue a pregnancy to term during a time of famine, and should the human race run out of food, they will be much in demand during the last generation or two.

    However in modern developed counties they tend to suffer from a raft of avoidable health problems, such as gestational diabetes, high blood pressure, embolisms, arthritic hips and knees, so it is better for them and their children for them not to be fat.

    • Replies: @Myra
    , @Thea
  354. ATBOTL says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    A high percentage of Jews at that time were communists. Communism wasn’t some obscure fringe movement in the 30’s and 40’s. It was particularly popular in that ethnic group.

    • Replies: @Odin
  355. Logan says:
    @SFG

    The “sizable Jewish population of Hungary” is less than 50,000, according to the CIA. Less than 0.5%.

    I guess definitions of “sizable” vary.

  356. @CharlieKnows

    You are right that Plato didn’t propose death penalty for homosexuality in “Laws”, but all the same he rooted for prevention & punishment of homosexual behavior as such. Basically, homo stuff was, according to later Plato, bad idea.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/27/opinion/l-plato-on-homosexuality-238493.html

    The “Laws” (Book VIII) rejects homosexual intercourse because it can render men unfit for marriage and because it is contrary to nature and a shameless indulgence.

    The “Laws” recommends that homosexuality, like adultery, fornication and the use of prostitutes, not be engaged in; that if it is engaged in, it be kept private or closeted, and that if it is discovered, it be punished by deprivation of civil rights, a severe penalty. In effect, the “Laws” recommends criminalization.

    Also:
    http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~davpy35701/text/plato-homo.html

    As regards reading texts in the original language (or even original texts), I both agree & disagree.

    1. it is better to know something than to not know. But, life is too short to learn most original languages acknowledged masterpieces were written in- say, Chinese, Latin, Arabic, German, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Polish, Akkadian, Persian, Spanish ..(just freely associating)

    2. with most of the philosophy – it is the same as with science: most philosophers are almost completely unreadable (Aristotle, Plotinus, Hegel, Husserl, Hartmann, …). The same goes with original scientific works in math & physics. You read canonical textbooks,not dated treatises by Gauss, Maxwell or Einstein. Of course, Plato, like Epictetus, Nietszche, Schopenhauer…is highly readable & doesn’t belong to that category.

  357. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    And women’s “feelz” are a particularly disasterous approach when it comes to political matters.

    I feel the same way about men’s lack of empathy for the fortunate.

    The best way to have balance is to make sure everyone is heard.

    • Replies: @Moses
  358. Rosie says:
    @Anonymouse

    In the Charmides, Socrates sees Charmides’ junk and gets an erection of the penis.

    This is disgusting. How about we change the subject?

  359. @Steve Sailer

    How is Harvey Weinstein a pederast?

    Blast. He’s not. I switched names. Weinstein should have been Epstein. Sorry.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  360. AndrewR says:
    @Rosie

    Ah Rosie. I had forgotten about our white female version of Tiny Duck.

  361. Zackka says:

    So… if it’s Einstein, Jews are great.

    If it’s Epstein or Weinstein, White men are horrible misogynist, manipulative money-grubbing liars.

    Got it.

  362. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Weinstein is just a regular guy; but with a massive amount of self confidence, a huge ego, a powerful network of friends and associates, and no conscience.

  363. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Germans usually seem very smart; but they tend to be stupid at the worst possible time.

  364. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Her jacket reminds me of Debbie Harry’s “Stop Fucking The Planet”. D was first and maybe FLOTUS is tweaking The Donald?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  365. @AnotherDad

    There is no guarantee for anything. But, I think that no man or woman can flourish in the climate of reductionist materialism & egotism.

    Or, simply: the combination of three rules: the Golden Rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule) & Hamlet’s advice (To thine own self be true) & Confucian (Superior man cultivates his higher nature; inferior man succumbs to his lower nature).

    Man, woman..it’s the same. Yet- no guarantee…. One can only offer help & advice. Other beings, whoever they may be, are autonomous & free to live their lives.

  366. @Dave Pinsen

    Were the Jews massacred at, say, Babi Yar killed because the Nazis thought they had too much money, power, or dual loyalties? Seems unlikely.

    Might have had something to do with murdering 10+million goyim by assassination, starvation, and other means. Just a thought.

  367. Hunsdon says:
    @South Texas Guy

    I generally say that it doesn’t piss me off that Jews Run America, but that it does piss me off that use have run America into the ground.

  368. MBlanc46 says:
    @anon

    I have no problem with bears. I stay out of their way, and they stay out of mine (unlike our friends in Big Bear). But regarding the Left, yes. They’re the enemy. They either destroy us, we destroy them, or we separate short of destruction. But there’s no living with them. Their pain is my pleasure.

  369. @Anonymouse

    ? https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/#NatLaw

    In the Laws, Plato applies the idea of a fixed, natural law to sex, and takes a much harsher line than he does in the Symposium or the Phraedrus. In Book One he writes about how opposite-sex sex acts cause pleasure by nature, while same-sex sexuality is “unnatural” (636c). In Book Eight, the Athenian speaker considers how to have legislation banning homosexual acts, masturbation, and illegitimate procreative sex widely accepted. He then states that this law is according to nature (838-839d). Probably the best way of understanding Plato’s discussion here is in the context of his overall concerns with the appetitive part of the soul and how best to control it. Plato clearly sees same-sex passions as especially strong, and hence particularly problematic, although in the Symposium that erotic attraction could be the catalyst for a life of philosophy, rather than base sensuality (Cf. Dover, 1989, 153-170; Nussbaum, 1999, esp. chapter 12).

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  370. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/pri_60211087-e1510908974475.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C719&ssl=1

    She is referring to drilling for oil and gas, I think. Girl rockers and their offspring seem to have a thing about drilling.

  371. But pedophile homosexuality was brought to Greece by the Persians, if we are to believe Heradatous

  372. @Counterinsurgency

    How is Harvey Weinstein a pederast?

    Blast. He’s not. I switched names. Weinstein should have been Epstein. Sorry.

    Counterinsurgency

    Please alter the original post to correct the mistake.

    Counterinsurgency

  373. @Bardon Kaldian

    What happened to the starting point of this thread? It was about the jews’ bad behavior in the bedroom which justifies every calumny against them. This commenter contrasted the high morality of Plato and Aristotle to the voluptuary life-style of the religious jew whose pansexual partouz in the park are notorious.

    Usefully, he copies a serious second-order source whose paraphrase of the Laws seems accurate to the extent that I can say I’ve gotten into that dialogue which is very long and very tedious.
    And yes, Plato in his old age was against unfettered buggery. The jews’ voluptuary nature has been quite lost sight of.

    The copied passage interestingly cites the specific Stephanus page and Kenneth Dover and Martha Nussbaum. 153-170 in Dover’s Greek Homosexualityis a chapter titled Philosophical Exploitation. I had the great good luck to have Dover for a term on Thucydides in graduate school. As for Nussbaum, she has the soul of a SJW. Benardete said in my hearing “Martha Nussbaum was my best student (at NYU presumably) and I don’t like her.” Lord knows I’ve tried to read her from time to time. The last time I tried she commenced with some anecdote about her female rabbi at the synagogue she attends. Of course, that is a provocation that I will not up with put. In fact, she is/was an A+ attractive blond shiksa who converted to that vile religion when she was married to her first husband. She uses the name of the first husband. She has effortless floated to the hights of the academic life holding appointments in two schools at the University of Chicago.

    Maybe parroting secondary sources in an Internet comment is to be expected.

    And why is my 5 minute Wiki window of editing blocked?

    >In the Laws, Plato applies the idea of a fixed, natural law to sex, and takes a much harsher line than he does in the Symposium or the Phraedrus. In Book One he writes about how opposite-sex sex acts cause pleasure by nature, while same-sex sexuality is “unnatural” (636c). In Book Eight, the Athenian speaker considers how to have legislation banning homosexual acts, masturbation, and illegitimate procreative sex widely accepted. He then states that this law is according to nature (838-839d). Probably the best way of understanding Plato’s discussion here is in the context of his overall concerns with the appetitive part of the soul and how best to control it. Plato clearly sees same-sex passions as especially strong, and hence particularly problematic, although in the Symposium that erotic attraction could be the catalyst for a life of philosophy, rather than base sensuality (Cf. Dover, 1989, 153-170; Nussbaum, 1999, esp. chapter 12).

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  374. Myra says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    This was part of the problem with Rotherham. Prostitution is legal in Britain. Many of the girls told the social workers that they were doing what they wanted to do, and the social workers, according to their training, were supposed to help the girls adjust to their chosen way of life, not tell them that their choice was wrong or immoral, or bad for them.

    Jonathan, your comments on the problems of underage prostitution in Florida are interesting, but you are wrong about Rotherham. Prostitution is legal, but child sexual exploitation (CSE) is definitely not. It was the responsibility of the social workers to do everything in their power to prevent it and to co-ordinate with the police to prosecute where possible. They were in gross dereliction of their duty – a fact which has been widely recognised and acknowledged since the scandal broke.

    If you are interested, Jayne Senior was a youth worker in Rotherham, and she has published her memoir of her work at the time this abuse was happening: Broken and Betrayed https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29456665-broken-and-betrayed.
    It’s very clear that the social workers were engaged in a cover-up which they knew to be wrong (when the social workers found out that the youth workers were keeping records on their suspicions about CSE, there was a break-in at the youth worker’s office and all the relevant files were stolen. Youth workers who tried to report their suspicions were told not to be racist and sent on ‘diversity training’).

    Other good books which deal with the Islamic CSE problem nationwide are Easy Meat by Peter McLouglin, and Unthinkable by Kris Hollington. (McLoughlin is something of a polemicist and very opposed to Islam; Hollington is more objective).
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29367054-easy-meat
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15802605-unthinkable

    It is made very clear that these children were being targeted, seduced, manipulated, coerced, threatened, raped, beaten, tortured, and finally abandoned by the pimps. Some of their victims sound like the girls you describe: 12- and 13-year olds in social care who had been removed from abusive homes and were terribly lonely. Is it any surprise that a child who has been beaten and raped by her own family would believe herself in love with a pimp if he beat her, raped her, pimped her but also fed her and said he loved her? This is not a woman making a free and informed business decision; it is an adult manipulating a child.

    But other victims don’t match your description at all. Many of the cases described in these books (and in the Jay Report) involved children and their families making multiple reports to police and authorities, only to be ignored and rebuffed. There are cases of the fathers of these girls taking the law into their own hands and attempting to rescue their daughters, only for the fathers to be arrested for racially-aggravated assault, and the pimps walk free. There are cases of pimps doing terrible things to maintain control over these children including burning down their family’s houses or breaking the legs of their brothers. Children who attempted to resist them were punished by being thrown naked out of moving cars, raped with sticks and guns, or having bleach poured into their vaginas.

    The drug addictions that these children suffered from were a consequence not a cause of their prostitution. The pimps forced the drugs on them because it made them easier to control, and eventually the girls took them willingly because it was the only way to manage the pain of the internal damage caused by being raped by 10s of men every night. Many of these children gave birth to the children of their rapists, but others are infertile as a consequence of the abuse.

    I am sorry to have been so appalling graphic in this comment, but it’s really horrific to try to pretend that most of these children were willing participants in their own torture.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  375. ATBOTL says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your lack of empathy for children of your own race who were raped by another race out of racial hatred is sickening beyond belief. You are truly evil to the core.

  376. AndrewR says:
    @Jack D

    On what planet do leftists believe in individual responsibility instead of collective guilt?

  377. Moses says:
    @Anon

    Body shaming is bad.

    Except when it’s on White men.

    Then it’s good.

  378. Odin says:
    @ATBOTL

    “A high percentage of Jews at that time were communists.”

    Numbers? Source?

  379. @mark green

    The “pivotal role… in financing and fomenting the Communist takeover of Russia in 1917” was played by the German Foreign Ministry and General Staff. See my comment #318 to Desideriu.

  380. @Desiderius

    $420 million is quite some seed capital, too.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  381. Moses says:
    @Rosie

    I feel the same way about men’s lack of empathy for the fortunate.

    I think you mean “unfortunate.”

    And I totally agree with you.

    When I saw that pic of the drowned child in Greece I began voting no borders immediately. All children might be drowned unless we let them into America. Their deaths would be 100% our fault.

    /sarcasm

    Feelings got nuttin’ to do widdit.

    If you feel for the unfortunate that’s great. Send them your money. Go to their country and try to make it better.

    Don’t give them my money (extorted by force by the gubment) or invite them to live next to me.

    Like Gandhi said, “Be the change you want to see in the world.”

  382. @Anonymouse

    You are:

    a) obsessing about Jews
    b) completely misunderstood my post (which is not such a big deal, most posts readers are poster boys for Rorschach test)
    c) projecting some weird stuff about my personality & interests I don’t care about
    d) freely associating (Nussbaum etc.), which may be intriguing, but …

    Besides, the entire thread has exhausted itself.

  383. @Myra

    Jonathan, your comments on the problems of underage prostitution in Florida are interesting, but you are wrong about Rotherham. Prostitution is legal, but child sexual exploitation (CSE) is definitely not. It was the responsibility of the social workers to do everything in their power to prevent it and to co-ordinate with the police to prosecute where possible. They were in gross dereliction of their duty – a fact which has been widely recognised and acknowledged since the scandal broke.

    Yes, but how many social workers were prosecuted for failure to execute their statutory duties? How many lost their professional licenses to practice social work?

    As far as I can make out none, simply because there was no statutory duty at the time, and still may not be.

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2016/05/18/happened-government-plans-jail-social-workers-wilful-neglect/

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    , @Thea
  384. @guest

    That photo of Lipstadt is very flattering.

  385. @PV van der Byl

    Given the hill they had to climb it was remarkable that it sufficed. We’re fortunate that the British were not so generous with our (feather) Indians.

  386. Pericles says:
    @Desiderius

    We had Olof Aschberg, “the red banker”, in Stockholm for a while. (I think he moved on to some other metropolis later on.) His grandson Robert is still a curse on the goyim over here.

  387. Pericles says:
    @Rosie

    I don’t think even promiscuity comes naturally to many women, much less actual commercial whoring. Pushing thirteen year olds along on that path doesn’t seem right in any sense.

    (The same goes for boys, Bryan Singer.)

  388. Pericles says:
    @Colin Wright

    I imagine most men would be willing within rather broad limits to have sex with a woman if the payoff was attractive.

  389. Myra says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Social workers do have a legal duty to safeguard children and young people, yes. I believe this would also have been the case during the time that most of these crimes happened since it’s in the Children’s Act 1989 – but I am not a social worker.

    None of the social workers in Rotherham were prosecuted. AFAIK, none of them were even disciplined. Although, that might partly be to do with many of the cases being historic from the 90s, so they’d already retired.

    There was an investigation which found that there was not enough evidence to press charges. The relevant people refused to co-operate with the investigation, and the relevant files were destroyed (as with the theft of documents from the youth workers, the culprits were never found).

    Sorry, I don’t have a link to the original reports but here’s the Grauniad coverage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/06/rotherham-abuse-scandal-no-charges-against-senior-council-figures

    No consequences for any of the police who knew and did nothing either. No consequences for the councillors (beyond their resignations). About 40 of the pimps have been prosecuted now – no consequences for any of their customers.

  390. Thea says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You are so very wrong. There was a huge cover up and even Labour admitted that people were afraid of being called racist so the refused to even investigate reports from fathers or even the you g girls themselves.

  391. Thea says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Prostitution is legal within certain limits which this mess was way beyond. This had nothing to do with helping the imagined happy hookers and everything to do with worship of Pakistani men and their cultural dysfunction that has taken the UK Labour Party by storm.

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