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From The Forward:

Is Jordan Peterson Enabling Jew Hatred?

Ari Feldman May 11, 2018

Wikimedia/Forward Montage…

Jordan Peterson is a public intellectual adored by neo-Nazis, white supremacists and conspiracy theorists. …

Part of why people on the far right like Peterson is because he is not afraid to talk about the Jews, and he has a lot of people to talk to. … He has answered questions about global Jewish influence several times, in person and online. In an April blog post, he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle.

… In an interview, Peterson told the Forward he feels that he is battling anti-Semitism through his work. …

Peterson opposes Jew hatred, he says, and claims that leftist members of the media tried to hurt him by linking him to white supremacists. He has accused white supremacists of having a “pathology of racial pride,” and written that “identity politics” –- the idea that drives white nationalism — is “misguided.”

Peterson told the Forward he felt he had to answer the question of Jewish influence in order to undermine the far right’s anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Other scholars don’t think that’s a sound strategy.

He has addressed the subject several times in public and online, most recently in a blog post published on his website, when he talked about Jewish IQ. It’s higher than average, he said, and that’s true also for people in power. Therefore Jews are accurately represented among the cultural and financial elite of the world. Peterson didn’t mention anti-Semitism directly in this lecture, but he was thinking about it, he said.

“You can assume that they [Jews] are intelligent and have a culture of learning, or you can think that there’s some kind of cabal,” Peterson told the Forward. “So if I’m gonna hit the hornets nest, I might as well hit it on the side that takes the wind out of the sails of far-righters and their idiot anti-Semitism.”

Peterson’s willingness to answer questions about “Jewish success” and his interest in IQ literature is “suspicious” said Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of history at Emory University and author of “Denying the Holocaust,” who won a libel case in Britain against prominent Holocaust denier David Irving.

Lipstadt said that Peterson’s statements on Jewish intelligence reminded her of Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology who the Southern Poverty Law Center has described as “the neo-Nazi movement’s favorite academic.” MacDonald has written several books criticizing Jewish intellectual culture. (Peterson links to a critique of one of MacDonald’s books at the end of his blog post on Jewish intelligence.) Lipstadt said that MacDonald’s academic language obscures the anti-Semitism behind his opinions. She worries the same is true of Peterson.

“It’s not [Holocaust] denial, but when people start asking questions like that, I begin to get leery,” Lipstadt said. “The question is, is he a self-help guru who find the Holocaust a convenient way of attracting attention, or is there serious thought going on here?” …

“His audience is without a doubt a large chunk of people in the ‘alt-right,’ and that’s the kind of signaling that would appeal to them,” said Heidi Beirich, the director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. “If you play fast and loose with the issue, you’re going to be seen as a possible ally in Holocaust denial.” …

Peterson has repeatedly said that instead of being suspicious of Jews, the world should be grateful that there are so many Jewish geniuses.

“They’re a resource you don’t want to squander,” he said.

To illustrate their thesis, the Forward put together a montage of photos from Wikipedia of Hitler and Peterson: proof!

 
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  1. Addressing Jewish influence from a scientific perspective takes true courage. Peterson didn’t know what he was getting himself into by becoming the “scientific realist” du jour, and his courage is lacking. The low hanging fruit—obvious, socially significant effects of testosterone and estrogen production differences between men and women—Peterson can handle. Actual attack by an aggressive ethno-racial group with tremendous power tests Peterson’s spine.

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    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    In the eyes of the LibElite, Peterson's greatest crime is being civil with ppl like Stefan Molyneaux & articulating a gentle variety of immigration restrictionism. It also irritates the Forward that he only chides the Alt Rt in a measured way & doesn't denounce those to his Right as Hitler-clones.
    You can understand the Forward clearly once you realize they want their enemies on the Dissident Rt impoverished, deplatformed, even imprisoned. They are the ultimate "you're either with us or against us" Totalitarians. Zero tolerance for middle ground, open debate or nuance.
    , @SMK
    Peterson "attributes that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence -an old anti-Semitic dog whistle. " "Alleged influence"! So Jewish elites have no power and influence and Jews on average are no more intelligent than blacks. Does he actually believe this? If so, he's psychotic, totally delusional, completely estranged from objective reality. Or is he lying to combat the evil and bane of Jew hatred, which is everywhere, and to prevent the rise of a Nazi-like regime in the United States. I think the latter is far more plausible. These people are so paranoid that their fear and hatred of white gentiles en-mass as "Nazis" and jew haters would be risible if it weren't so pernicious and catastrophic, given their power and influence.
    , @Olorin
    "Spine"?

    My dear William, aren't you aware that a vertebrectomy is de rigueur for all tenure seekers?

    It completes the orchidectomy inflicted by one's dissertation committee. (Speaking of "low-hanging fruit.")

    Then when tenure's granted the newly minted prof gets an Elastrator (TM) and Premarin (TM) gun for use on his own male students.

    As for estrogen, go search out the vid of Peterson weeping about individualism. He makes Tieresias look like Björgvin Karl Guðmundsson.

    Escapes me why this social media flavor of the year is getting so much attention except as manufactured oppo. Maybe Forverts is calling him a Nazi to get him attention because he's so soft on the JQ.

    Twistiness and pilpul and Ways Of Deception (TM) are how memewars be fought.

    , @anon

    Addressing Jewish influence from a scientific perspective takes true courage. Peterson didn’t know what he was getting himself into by becoming the “scientific realist” du jour, and his courage is lacking. The low hanging fruit—obvious, socially significant effects of testosterone and estrogen production differences between men and women—Peterson can handle. Actual attack by an aggressive ethno-racial group with tremendous power tests Peterson’s spine.
     
    Hit the nail on the head. Beautifully stated.
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  2. Lagertha says:

    Everyone is afraid of Jordan. He is way too good looking for 2018. My sons like his post messages…so he is bad, bad, bad. but he so sexy and not quite Christian…so…problem.

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    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I think there's a lot of resentment of him too.

    Peterson has decades of experience giving engaging classroom lectures and knows how to speak. And he leveraged that to become a self-made YouTube phenomenon, and then translated that into a best-selling book, sold-out personal appearances, and one of the top Patreon accounts.

    What's more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    Reasonable people can nit-pick the patch he came up with, question his erudition, and talk about how he's strayed out of his lane, etc., but I think resentment explains a big part of the reaction. What Peterson is attempting -- moral/psychological therapy on a mass scale, as opposed to watered down self-help bromides -- is a rare thing to pull off. Maybe the last person who did was Viktor Frankl.
    , @Anonymous
    "post messages"
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  3. Lagertha says:

    Jordan is so hot with young white people…so he must be crushed? Jordan knows the bullshit, but he is not a Christian…but, he is really focused on white young guys…so, of course, the evil ones, want him dead.

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    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    Peterson reported that the most beneficial performance results of his "life authoring" program were among nonwhite males. It seems to be a program focused on the traits that enhance the social functionality of males, which are typically less developed at the lower end of the economic spectrum (lacking good male role models and such).
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  4. What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Jake
    I've seen that too, repeatedly. The reason is that if you seem to trying to explain either Jews or blacks to whites in a way that is primarily about telling whites that the Jews/blacks really are not that bad, then the Jews/blacks assume that either you are weak (and so time to attack you more) or that you are playing the same time con game they play all the time, which means you are trying to set them up to be hit hard.
    , @Anonymous

    What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.
     
    Yeah, it’s amazing how the alt-right went has descended from someone like Joe Sobran to a non-religious, Jewish-fetishizing Jordan Peterson.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Disagree.
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  5. eah says:

    What’s not to like?

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    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon
    Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries. You see the word pop up in comments on articles in the New York Times. People don't exactly know what it means, but they know it has the power to DESTROY all the racist bullshit coming from NAZI geneticists and psychologists.
    , @Big Bill
    Yeah. Galut Jews have been floating this Epigenetic Holocaust balloon for a few years now.

    Can't say as I blame them.

    Once all the existing Holocaust Survivors are dead, who is eligible for Holocaust reparations payments? Who is going to be a named plaintiff in future lawsuits against Swiss banks and insurance companies? Who is going to do the annual mandatory Holocaust re-education classes in public schools across the US telling their tales of personal suffering?

    But they face a delicate problem: They cannot spread their epigenetic net too wide, or blacks, Armenians, Ukrainians, Tutsis, Gypsies, etc., will also claim continuous, eternal genetic damage by historical wrongs done to them by the same Epigenetic Suffering Mechanism. If everyone is a victim, then no one is.

    So the theory the Galut Jews are developing has to be (1) sciency, researchy based, using a (2) selected set of (3) specific victims of a (4) particular Mass Suffering Event (the Holocaust).

    If other ethnic groups were as smart as Galut Jews, they would be investing in their own ethnic/racial studies of Genetically Programmed Eternal Injury and piggyback on the Jewish research.
    , @Anon
    Oh dear. Where can I get some Holocaust DNA grafted and file for reparations?
    , @MarcB.

    In case you’re not keeping track: the Holocaust is genetic, but IQ isn’t.
     
    Nice summation of the ridiculousness. The consensus is that Genetic IQ is a factor in sperm/egg donation and Down's Syndrome, but is fluid in every other scenario. These are the same folks who gloat about Christians being anti-science.
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  6. Mr. Anon says:

    Is insert-name-here anti-semitic? To ask the question is to answer it. The answer is, obviously,…………yes.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    A rhetorical trick that's "as old as the hills" as they used to say. The NY Times has raised it to a veritable art form.
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  7. Anon7 says:

    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I’ve read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that’s three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the “genius” scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that’s only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they’re all Ashkenazi, that’s about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that’s about what you’d expect. That is, if the “You’re so smart, how come you’re not rich?” wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he’s apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Spot on.

    Peterson's main sin has been to notice things and speak of them in a truthful no BS manner. Which the Left. The Tribes hates him for that even if he never said squat about them. The very fact that young white men(and women listen to him) and he's about empowering them, so it makes him public enemy of the Left and the Tribe,

    The problem is the Left is composed of intellectual idiots and have no real way of countering him except to riot. The tribesmen who go after him wouldn't last 5 minutes in a public debate because their hatred is based outright lies and pathological hatred of goys.

    The tribesmen have the IQ, but lack the intellectual honesty and fortitude for a one on one debate. So they do what this dirt bag hipster looking punk does - character assassination that would make Goebbels proud.
    , @Peter Johnson
    These computations of demographic percentages above a cut-off (e.g., three standard deviations above the mean implies 0.135% of the population) rely too strongly on an exact normal distribution for the trait under consideration. Most social traits do not have anything like a normal distribution in the tails. It is maybe a useful back-of-the-envelope guesstimate, but do not take it too seriously.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    His calculation were a just-so story. For a start, the 115 IQ came from an elite private school. (A similar test from a non-Jewish school had a score of 119...)

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html
    , @DFH
    Except the 115 assumption has already been debunked. And our host himself has shown that Jews are massively overrepresented relative to intelligence. So Jordan must be either sloppy, very poor at quantiative reasoning or lying.
    , @Altai
    Peterson is actually a fairly conventional conservative libertarian Christian. Absolutely everything he says is inline with that including all the blindspots. (Some of which are fantastically autistic)

    What's unique about him is he is a philosophy lecturer so there's lot of video of him on YouTube. He is also very charismatic with a good speaking voice but understated, making him somebody people are inclined to listen to. His essential exasperation is something people relate to as he takes relatively easy shots at the extremes of SJWism.

    If it weren't for his public stance against calling a student by non-conventional pronouns he wouldn't be famous.
    , @EH
    Actual US Ashkenazi average IQ is around 107-110, the former is closer to the full-scale IQ, the latter to verbal IQ. There is no level of IQ that guarantees genius, which requires more than intelligence; the intelligence has to be combined with divergent thinking and used to produce original work. Verbal intelligence is not conducive to producing anything but strings of words -- marketing, persuasion, politics; math and spatial intelligence are what drives technological and scientific innovations. The actual distribution is not normal but closer to log-normal; in any event Peterson did not actually calculate the rarity.
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  8. jim jones says:

    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

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    • Replies: @VD
    No, it is not because he has rational explanations for human behavior. It is because I correctly scented the unmistakable aroma of bullshit and sulfur, looked into it, and discovered the following:

    1. He's an intellectual fraud.
    2. He is pushing an evil philosophy on the unsuspecting and the unsophisticated.
    3. He is NWO.
    4. He de-platformed Faith Goldy for her associations, but is connected to John Podesta and the UN.
    5. His 12 Laws book should be subtitled "A Beginner's Guide to Spirit Cooking"
    , @Weekender
    I’m puzzled by that, too. Jordan Peterson’s encouragement of young men seems to to be exactly what Vox Day does in his part of the gaming/sci-fi world. From my limited knowledge of gamergate, doesn’t Peterson’s call out to young men to be strong, focused and “clean their rooms” very close to the Sad Puppies’ agenda?
    I hate the Ben Shapiro/Milo feud, too. Why does Ben get so upset by Loki/Milo? Both have voices that need to be heard in the public square. Big tent, guys, big tent.
    , @Thea
    Purity spirals
    , @Desiderius
    Same reason the Forward is, I’d imagine. In dealing with his class, it works too well.
    , @BB753
    Vox Day is a great writer and debater, but has huge blind spots in his thinking. For instance, he's a creationist and he believes anybody who doesn't adhere to his peculiar brand of right - wing philosophy is a traitor to the cause.
    , @Whitney
    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson. I don't read Voxday but there seemed to be a general consensus that he is super arrogant and couldn't stand the competition. I don't remember which post it was but it was recent
    , @Saxon
    Read his blog to find out. Short of it: Peterson is a phony. He hasn't read the classics. Recent digging has shown he's actually worked for the UN trying to sanitize the ideology in their globohomo one-world-government documents to make them more Orwellian pomo gibberish, and less obvious ideology-filled.

    He's essentially a gatekeeper to misdirect actual nationalist type sentiment against their countries being turned into third world mysterymeatzone north #445 (otherwise previously known as part of Sweden or whatever) under the rulership of a largely jewish globalist elite.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    White women voters want the supernatural. White women voters find rational political argumentation boring. So do most men with balls, brains and heart.

    Soon-to-croak-McCain was right to talk about transcendence in politics. McCain's conception and ideas involving political transcendence were dead wrong.

    McCain wanted Americans to transcendentally find meaning and motivation by allowing their hearts to be consumed with visions of imperial glory. Turns out that means the Iraq War debacle, nation-wrecking mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and globalized financialism.
    , @Samuel Skinner
    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/an-eminent-person.html#comment-form

    Because Peterson worked with John Podesto on a UN commission which argued for open borders and the unlimited right to open movement.
    , @Haxo Angmark
    VoxDay detests Peterson because P. is a

    post-modernist bunko-artist,

    mewling shabbatz goy (tho insufficiently so to satisfy the Jews),

    and a globalist apparatchik involved with various anti-White UN rackets:

    @ http://voxday.blogspot.com

    and scroll down to "An eminent person"
    , @Allen
    Voxday's recent crusade against Peterson is really strange to me. I get that they disagree on the Jewish Question, and Peterson certainly isn't going to go alt-right on issues of race.

    But, Peterson is a level-headed intellectual proud of western art, Christian civilization, traditional values/gender roles/etc and who has actual mainstream appeal. He's certainly not an enemy when compared to the SJW crowd and normies who like him could very easily start to find the alt-right appealing. I used to like Vox, but his actions in the past 6 months have been kinda weird, first attacking Gab now Peterson.
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  9. I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn’t believe she told me “He is just makes so much sense”.
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

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    • Replies: @Rosie

    JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
     
    It's bad for Jews because they (you) have been telling us in no uncertain terms for decades now that we're all equal, and any outcome disparities must come down to foul play. You can't at once say, you outperform blacks and Hispanics because you cheat; we outperform you because we are superior.

    Well, you can, but some of the goyim will notice.

    , @jimmyriddle
    Not many here would deny the higher Jewish IQ.

    The question is what effect does it have?

    Lots of Jewish mathematicians and physicists etc - good.

    Jewish ethnic hostility to Anglos driving the anti-white narrative in the media and academe - bad.

    Israel lobby - bad.
    , @slumber_j

    There are two theories.
     
    And they aren't mutually exclusive. "A bit of both" is the answer to a lot of questions, in my experience.
    , @Svigor

    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything.
     
    I assume by "many" you mean Jews and their water boys? Nobody else ever mentions it.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Ari Feldman and the The Forward editors have undermined the thesis that Jews are more intelligent. If they're so smart why are they attacking one of their best defenses? Sheesh.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    There's considerable disincentive to advocating "Theory 1", but only if one hopes to feed himself or his family. And I'm not particularly a fan of Richard Spencer but 90% of what Spencer advocates would have been considered obviously desirable to 90% of the American and British men who died fighting the Nazis.
    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    "This just shows how awful and stupid the left is."
     
    I don't tend to agree that that's exactly what it is. I more tend to think that there are extremes that differ from one another only in strategy (one fascist, the other Maoist) but who are identical in their nihilistic will to power ... both sides are equally interested in dispensing with anything, or anyone, who might give backbone to the center which can flex to squeeze both of them out.

    In that respect both "the left" and Red Ice TV are doing their best to slander and bait Peterson. One guesses that they both figure that matters will come to a head and the end they have to face each other off and "there can only be one", but for the moment they can unite around taking down the Peterson's of the world.

    It's up to all of us to make sure that doesn't happen and we need to go about the matter as if life depends on it.

    , @guest
    Those are not the only two theories, unless you are severely abusing the idea of a "Jewish Conspiracy" driving everything.

    For instance, some people have it simply that Jews are in historically favorable conditions--with powerful emotional blackmail material and weak host cultures--and they possess strong in-group preferences and are more determined to look out for #1.

    Basically, nepotism + Holocaust.

    They've also excelled in strategically useful fields, if you were to plan on having wildly outsized influence on a culture. But that didn't have to be the result of conspiracy.
    , @anon
    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?

    Yeah, but you're not going to, because it's not entirely true.

    Sure, Jewish people are over-represented in science and mathematics and things like that because of their high IQ. I have noticed that very few people really have a problem with Jewish over-representatuon in the sciences.

    The problem people have is with the "influencers" in our societies. The people who run the media and publish the op-eds. The IQ explanation simply doesn't work here, because those people just aren't very smart. And you know they're not smart. You wouldn't be here, leaving comments in unz.com if you thought the Jews that are involved in our public discourse to such a huge extent were doing a good job.

    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?

    So, no. Intelligence may explain some, but that still doesn't mean there's not genuinely ethnic networking too.

    That's the problem Peterson won't touch.

    And, still, there's the problem that people like Peterson promote the idea that Jews are more successful than goyim because of their higher IQs, but still won't admit that whites are more successful than blacks because of our higher IQs. It's like, no matter what happens, whites have to get it from both sides.

    , @Allen
    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson's crime, it really doesn't matter how he explains it.
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  10. Rod1963 says:
    @Anon7
    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I've read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that's three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the "genius" scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that's only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they're all Ashkenazi, that's about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that's about what you'd expect. That is, if the "You're so smart, how come you're not rich?" wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he's apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

    Spot on.

    Peterson’s main sin has been to notice things and speak of them in a truthful no BS manner. Which the Left. The Tribes hates him for that even if he never said squat about them. The very fact that young white men(and women listen to him) and he’s about empowering them, so it makes him public enemy of the Left and the Tribe,

    The problem is the Left is composed of intellectual idiots and have no real way of countering him except to riot. The tribesmen who go after him wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a public debate because their hatred is based outright lies and pathological hatred of goys.

    The tribesmen have the IQ, but lack the intellectual honesty and fortitude for a one on one debate. So they do what this dirt bag hipster looking punk does – character assassination that would make Goebbels proud.

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    • Replies: @ohmy
    Deborah Lipstadt oozes of a racism. An evil woman who was selected to spend her life making other's lives miserable, through lies and, litigation and, she loves her work. She is an history denier with a bottomless war chest donated by Hollywood guys like Steven Spielberg, a man who if he gets his way will make it mandatory that our school age children study the holocaust, from his point of view. I don't believe Debbie and, Spielberg have enough cash to undo the damage their leader Benji the NutyYAHOO does to Israel's reputation every day.
    Maybe the pair should study; why Jews have been thrown out of over 70 countries. Now with a country of their own and, a little power we're witnessing first hand how the Zionist Jews really think and, behave.
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  11. DFH says:

    Nice little example of what happens to cuckservatives. You can cry about the Holocaust and Nahtzees all you want, but they’ll still call you an anti-semite. Heartening that his pathetic cowardice has backfired on him.

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  12. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Luke Ford on this (like Trump, Ford inconveniently doesn’t thread his tweets).

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    Your website has re-Tweeted a very relevant and humorous image. I need to visit more often!

    https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/995032588644421634

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  13. Lot says:

    This article finds Jews have higher levels of “social effectiveness” even when controlling for IQ:

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    Co-author Woodley of Menie is the guy who has the most pessimistic take on dysgenic fertility and thinks Victorians had much higher genotypical IQs.

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    I had never heard of the general factor of personality but it does make sense. Jewish success is probably a combination of intelligence, personality, and ordinary ethnic networking/example-making. Of course, they are unfortunately subject to falling prey to the upper middle class political correctness, having more to lose from voicing wrong opinions.
    , @res
    Thanks for that. I was surprised to see Jewish higher Agreeableness. Do you know any more about that?

    That paper on James Thompson's blog: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/have-you-jewish-personality/

    Folowup by the lead author: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289539875_Testing_the_Replicability_of_High_Jewish_Scores_on_the_General_Factor_of_Personality
    , @Luke Lea
    "This article finds Jews have higher levels of “social effectiveness” even when controlling for IQ:"

    Interesting. Guess I'm going to have to catch up on this subject (again).
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  14. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Peterson has a large audience now and by merely mentioning and talking about Jews, even if it’s in neutral or positive terms, he’s pointing them out, distinguishing them, which tends to unsettle many Jews:

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/angrif03.htm

    The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Yeah, this.
    , @anonymous
    I've often wondered whether there is an ulterior motive behind the obsession with The Holocaust: it takes the focus off the fact that so many Jews in Russia actively supported the Stalinist regime. When it is pointed out that people like Yagoda, Kaganovich etal. were Jewish, out comes the Anti-Semite card.
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  15. El Dato says:

    “You can assume that they [Jews] are intelligent and have a culture of learning, or you can think that there’s some kind of cabal,” Peterson told the Forward. “So if I’m gonna hit the hornets nest, I might as well hit it on the side that takes the wind out of the sails of far-righters and their idiot anti-Semitism.”

    Is is bad to notice that there can be intelligent people having a culture of learning implementing a cabal (together with the goyim, I might add).

    “It’s not [Holocaust] denial, but when people start asking questions like that, I begin to get leery,” Lipstadt said.

    Dat leather coat!

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    “You can assume that they [Jews] are intelligent and have a culture of learning, or you can think that there’s some kind of cabal,” Peterson told the Forward.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/meet-the-new-journolist-smaller-than-the-old-journolist/60159/
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  16. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lagertha
    Everyone is afraid of Jordan. He is way too good looking for 2018. My sons like his post messages...so he is bad, bad, bad. but he so sexy and not quite Christian...so...problem.

    I think there’s a lot of resentment of him too.

    Peterson has decades of experience giving engaging classroom lectures and knows how to speak. And he leveraged that to become a self-made YouTube phenomenon, and then translated that into a best-selling book, sold-out personal appearances, and one of the top Patreon accounts.

    What’s more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    Reasonable people can nit-pick the patch he came up with, question his erudition, and talk about how he’s strayed out of his lane, etc., but I think resentment explains a big part of the reaction. What Peterson is attempting — moral/psychological therapy on a mass scale, as opposed to watered down self-help bromides — is a rare thing to pull off. Maybe the last person who did was Viktor Frankl.

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    What’s more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    ^
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    What oft was thot but ne’er so well expressed.
    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    well said
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
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  17. @Anon7
    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I've read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that's three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the "genius" scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that's only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they're all Ashkenazi, that's about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that's about what you'd expect. That is, if the "You're so smart, how come you're not rich?" wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he's apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

    These computations of demographic percentages above a cut-off (e.g., three standard deviations above the mean implies 0.135% of the population) rely too strongly on an exact normal distribution for the trait under consideration. Most social traits do not have anything like a normal distribution in the tails. It is maybe a useful back-of-the-envelope guesstimate, but do not take it too seriously.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.
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  18. Roger says: • Website

    That article has a lot of innuendo, without actually saying that Peterson is wrong about anything. I get the impression that truth is not the main concern of the Jews who are quoted.

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    You might as well have omitted the last three words.
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  19. @Anon7
    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I've read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that's three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the "genius" scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that's only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they're all Ashkenazi, that's about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that's about what you'd expect. That is, if the "You're so smart, how come you're not rich?" wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he's apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

    His calculation were a just-so story. For a start, the 115 IQ came from an elite private school. (A similar test from a non-Jewish school had a score of 119…)

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    I don't want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me; he razed Petersen's intellectual house and salted the grounds after.
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  20. CCZ says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Luke Ford on this (like Trump, Ford inconveniently doesn't thread his tweets).

    https://twitter.com/lukeford/status/995044605174296576

    Your website has re-Tweeted a very relevant and humorous image. I need to visit more often!

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If my understanding of the late Alexander Cockburn's book Idle Passion was correct then apophenia is historically concomitant to hyper-rational feats of pattern recognition (actually Chesterton said much the same re: lunacy).

    http://web.archive.org/web/19961119143115/http://www.sincity.com/penn-n-teller/pcc/wingding.html
    , @Big Bill
    Funny! What's funnier is that they have changed their logo to use "R" and not "r" so it does not "offend" anyone.

    Go here to see the new one: https://www.ravpower.com/ismart.

    I am dying to see the chain of emails among upper management and their trademark attorneys as they discussed their "problematic" trademark and decided what to do about it.

    Who first wrote them and said they were "shocked, SHOCKED” at their "insensitivity". Did they get a letter from the ADL?
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  21. Rosie says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?

    It’s bad for Jews because they (you) have been telling us in no uncertain terms for decades now that we’re all equal, and any outcome disparities must come down to foul play. You can’t at once say, you outperform blacks and Hispanics because you cheat; we outperform you because we are superior.

    Well, you can, but some of the goyim will notice.

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    Apropos, something I drafted as a comment to a Respectable site:

    To All Those, esp. Jews, Who Claim To Be So Concerned About 'Diversity' and 'White Privilege':

    If it is reasonable to demand, in the interest of such concerns, that women, 'persons of color' and members of various sexual minorities be favored over whites, males and heterosexuals, in both the public as well as the private sector, then---

    Would it be any less reasonable to at least question the overwhelming dominance of Jews in most of the upper tiers of both the public as well as the private sectors (i.e., business, finance, academia, government, etc.)? And even if (as the only politically correct explanation maintains) this staggeringly disproportionately high representation can be accounted for by nothing more than higher average IQ and a culture that values education and achievement, would it not be reasonable to at least consider whether quotas limiting the total number of Jews in certain fields might be warranted?

    I ask as a Jew myself-- one who not that long ago would have reacted with the typical reflexive response to reading what I just wrote above: summary dismissal as mere "anti-Semitism" that is unworthy of any consideration. I have since, however, reluctantly come to the sobering and even alarming realization that these questions are actually most reasonable, valid and even urgent.
     
    , @MBlanc46
    For once, I agree with you, Rosie. Well put.
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  22. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    What's not to like?

    https://twitter.com/antichimera/status/993248402472296448

    Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries. You see the word pop up in comments on articles in the New York Times. People don’t exactly know what it means, but they know it has the power to DESTROY all the racist bullshit coming from NAZI geneticists and psychologists.

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    "Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries."

    My liberal sister brought up epigenetics, which she thought just referred to the various ways the environment influences gene expression, not necessarily (or usually) inherited by the next generation. Which is what Wikipedia seems to say. But then the whole topic of methylation and heritability gets mixed in. Now I'm not sure what we are talking about anymore when the topic of epigenetics comes up. What does it mean? Anybody know?

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  23. Stogumber says:

    Peterson should have said that the Jews are more intelligent only in matters who don’t touch their sensitivities – i.e. in matters like Physics. In all other matters they are surprisingly stupid and apt to fool not only others but themselves as well. Believing that: if nobody speaks about Jewish power there is no Jewish power … mere stupidity!

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  24. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    I see this Tablet article as an example of what happens in certain areas of controversy where gatekeepers attempt to enforce a broad no-go zone around an entire topic. You’re not allowed to express an opinion unless it’s a pre-vetted, approved opinion or unless you in effect have received a license to talk about it after having undergone a background check. When an interloper expresses an opinion or promulgates an analysis that doesn’t track the pre-vetted standard statements, no particular effort is expended in trying to figure out if the opinion is offensive. The problem, rather, is that the person dared to enter the no-go zone. Immediate warning shots have to be fired to let him know that he is at risk of character assassination and being reported to the SPLC if he doesn’t stand down.

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    22 Anon[372] > I see this Tablet article


    > From The Forward
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  25. Neoconned says:

    OT — the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins…..no shock here…

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called “alt right” — again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary’s script writers invented — is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever….

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn’t really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he’s minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section….and yet….mTHEY STILL FIND US…..

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth….

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid…..just leave us alone….say we are all wrong and full of crap…..SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

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    From small web acorns mighty steam trains rolling to extermination contractors' premises grow.
    , @BenKenobi
    Because we're right.
    , @Anonymous
    see NY Times front pages from 2002-2003 concerning Martha Burk vs. Augusta Nat'l Golf Club, i.e. most important effing news event during that year apparently
    , @Anonymous
    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    Because you might commit another Holocaust.
    , @San Fernando Curt
    Perhaps the SJWs can't ignore sites like this because they believe as I do: We're not wrong.
    , @Pericles
    No platform means no fricken platform, buddy.
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  26. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s savaged in its own comments. An example from a Jay Rosen:

    I am a Jew. I volunteered during the Yom Kippur War. No one defends the Jews more than I do. This article is idiotic and contemptible. It make me lose respect for the Forward and have no respect for Feldman. I have listened to hundreds of hours of Jordan Peterson and never found anything, either directly or indirectly, that was in any way antisemitic. This is a stupid and malicious article. It should be retracted, taken down and The Forward should make a formal first page retraction for its slanderous libel. No one could be a stronger enemy of fascism and evil than Peterson, or be a more effective critic. Shame on you.

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    “I fought in the Yom Kippur war”....thats the same for Jews as I saw Wilt score 100 for baby boomers. Agree though.
    , @Hunsdon
    Good for Jay Rosen.
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  27. DFH says:
    @Anon7
    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I've read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that's three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the "genius" scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that's only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they're all Ashkenazi, that's about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that's about what you'd expect. That is, if the "You're so smart, how come you're not rich?" wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he's apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

    Except the 115 assumption has already been debunked. And our host himself has shown that Jews are massively overrepresented relative to intelligence. So Jordan must be either sloppy, very poor at quantiative reasoning or lying.

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    • Replies: @Anon7
    I should have added that in this article, he was responding to a guy who just couldn’t see how 115 IQ in a population of 6 million could produce so many brilliant people. He was trying to show the difference between needing to go three SDs to get to genius instead of just two. He was using this guy’s numbers for Jews and Jewish IQs.
    , @Lurker
    Exactly.

    This whole thing has been demolished in the comments at JBP's own site.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/jordanbpeterson/on_the_so_called_8220jewish_question8221/best/

    , @MBlanc46
    Perhaps the 115 has been debunked. But all those Nobel Prizes in physics and Fields medals have not.
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  28. eah says:

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    How the American opiate epidemic was started by one pharmaceutical company

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.
    , @AndrewR
    WV has about 1.8 million people, so that comes out to about 600 pills per adult resident over six years, or about two pills per week per adult resident - healthy, sick, pain-free and pain-ridden alike.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
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  29. I think the Official Narrative is that Jews in the USA are an oppressed and powerless minority who are no more intelligent than anyone else? But that the main thing is that non Jews must never ever discuss Jews, even to praise them, as this smacks of Hitler. And you must never discuss the Narrative either, you just have to know what it is.

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

    There are plenty of other ethnic groups with relatively high in group preference, but they tend to be either lower median IQ, or small in number.
    Upper middle class non-Jewish whites have a similar median IQ, but typically lower drive, lower pushiness, less verbal felicity, and either no in-group preference, or negative in-group preference – ie they will discriminate against other members of their ethny.

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    • Agree: Svigor, 27 year old, Travis
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Hence why white Americans so richly deserve all they get. Who can respect a group with no self-respect? Who can admire a group that abjures self-admiration? What value has a group stuck in an endless cycle of "less racist than thou" virtue-signalling? The current-year American white is perhaps the most pathetic creature to have ever existed.
    , @Thea
    Also WASPs not policing their territory. If they had defended their own people and culture and made it clear others would not be able to usurp influence then We wouldn't be in this mess.
    , @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.
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  30. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/994000102682394624

    How the American opiate epidemic was started by one pharmaceutical company

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.

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    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.
     
    Look into TIRFs. OxyContin is weak sauce.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-insys-opioids-kickbacks.html

    Also, a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic” and/or any “new” phenomenon don’t you think? How long have humans been using opiates? How long have they been illegal/prescription only?

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link? How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain? Do you know the federal government is now dictating supply levels of pain medications and even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    https://khn.org/news/the-other-opioid-crisis-hospital-shortages-lead-to-patient-pain-medical-errors/view/republish/

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from? And now fentanyl and carfentanil (!! - the one to really watch) - from whence do they come?
    , @Brutusale
    Go out and get Dreamland by Sam Quinones, read it, and report back what you've learned.

    http://www.samquinones.com/books/dreamland/

    There's plenty of blame to go around.
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  31. Logan says:

    Exactly.

    The idea of White Privilege is based pretty much entirely on the fact of differential outcome. Whites have X percentage of greater income and wealth than blacks, therefore their status is unearned and probably gained by cheating and racial bias.

    So I went and looked up the (roughly) equivalent stats for Jews / Gentiles, which show a much greater disproportion than white / black, and posted a question (on a conservative site) about the obvious fact that if we assume White Privilege to be a thing we must also assume Jewish Privilege to be one. And also the fairly obvious fact that a great many of those who run around mostly loudly denouncing White Privilege are Jewish and therefore benefit from Jewish Privilege.

    Oh, my word! While this line of logic still seems impeccable to me, various people went absolutely berserk in response when I made the point explicitly.

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    "The idea of White Privilege is based pretty much entirely on the fact of differential outcome. "

    It's a privilege to be smart, I guess you could say, at least in the sense that you did not do anything to deserve it. Just as it is a privilege to be born rich. And to whom much is given much is expected is not a bad mantra. The problem is that most whites are born neither smarter nor richer than average and so are not privileged.

    Most African Americans on the other hand are born less smart than the average in our society and so are in that sense under-privileged. They deserve special consideration only to the extent that others who are similarly below average, which includes tons of white people.

    In short, privilege and under-privilege are not about race. They are about the hands individuals have drawn in the lottery of life. To say they are a matter of skin color or racial appearance is . . . what? Answer: it is an evil form of racism which we all ought to condemn out of hand.

    But then, to take the other side of the argument, there is this problem: that in a multiracial society of big cities, in which most of the new people we meet everyday are perforce unknown to us either by name or reputation, each of us must bear the burden of stereotypes of the group to which we belong, which are based upon statistical realities with which we are all too familiar based on the news. That is manifestly unfair at the level of the single individual, especially if his group tends to be less well-behaved than certain others, but there is no way of getting around it. Or is there?

    Well, yes, there is a way: https://goo.gl/8cWYCW
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  32. Logan says:

    I read this article at The Forward, then all the comments, which numbered 62 at the time.

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

    Not one made an attempt to defend the thesis of the article or agree that Peterson might really be anti-Semitic.

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    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.
     
    The point is that the article's purpose is to legitimize Peterson. This Peterson controversy is false and likely manufactured. Lipstadt, who is not the smartest Jewess, objects to talking too much about Jewish success on the usual grounds but no Jew will object to the meme that Jews have superior intelligence which is not meant for Jews, who always believed they were smarter than anybody (yiddishe kopf), but for gentiles. But what is most important here is that Peterson argues (incorrectly) that intelligence advantage is sufficient to explain Jewish success (overrepresentation) and thus he absolves Jews form accusation of ethnic networking. I dare not to think what Jewish overrepresentation would be if on the top of their superior IQ they also deployed ethnic nepotism. Fortunately their (also superior) moral standards prevent them from doing so.

    Peterson is god sent for Jews. I heard Peterson monetization form his YT video is already above $50k per months.
    , @utu

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

     

    The point is that the article’s purpose is to legitimize Peterson. This Peterson controversy is false and likely manufactured. Lipstadt, who is not the smartest Jewess, objects to talking too much about Jewish success on the usual grounds but no Jew will object to the meme that Jews have superior intelligence which is not meant for Jews, who always believed they were smarter than anybody (yiddishe kopf), but for gentiles. But what is most important here is that Peterson argues (incorrectly) that intelligence advantage is sufficient to explain Jewish success (overrepresentation) and thus he absolves Jews form accusation of ethnic networking. I dare not to think what Jewish overrepresentation would be if on the top of their superior IQ they also deployed ethnic nepotism. Fortunately their (also superior) moral standards prevent them from doing so.

    Peterson is god sent for Jews. I heard Peterson monetization form his YT video is already above $50k per months.
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  33. Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:

    Good God, why is there a post about something as trivial as a Jordan Peterson controversy when the existential threat of the mini-brains is still hanging over our heads?

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  34. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    If you had a large following and mainstream media coverage and wanted to promote anti-Semitism, what would you do? Would you aggressively make blatant anti-Semitic comments? Or would you subtly wade into controversies involving anti-Semites and anti-Semitic arguments, indirectly exposing them to your large number of followers?

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  35. BB753 says:

    Does this mean that Jordan Peterson won’t be granted political asylum in the USA once he starts been persecuted in Canada for thought crimes?

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  36. Gordo says:

    Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of history at Emory University

    Formerly professor of ‘Theology and Holocaust Studies’

    Was that title too explanatory so had to be changed?

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  37. Logan says:

    A few years back “the knockout game” was a thing. It was, or at least was portrayed, as a game whereby young blacks would sucker-punch whites or Asians, often female or elderly, on the street, to great hilarity.

    It was for the most part covered little in the MSM, except for a brief period when some NYC whites who happened to be Jewish got knocked out. Then for a little while it was discussed as a dangerous manifestation of anti-Semitism.

    Apparently the multiple whites and Asians attacked in previous months were of zero interest to the MSM. Only if Jews were attached did they care. Despite the fairly obvious fact that no evidence was provided in the stories that Jews in question were attacked for being Jews, since, after all, how would the attackers have known? Perhaps they were just playing the game with whites and the victim turned out to be Jewish, which in NYC is statistically not all that unlikely.

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    true, if you randomly selected whites people on the streets of Manhattan 50% will be Jewish. Blacks playing the Knockout-game in New york City are more likely to punch a Jew than a Christian.
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  38. AndrewR says:

    For such a supposedly intelligent group, it’s amazing how stupidly so many Jews tend to act. But the even stupider goyim buy into their act. Between the basic-bitch right-wing goyim’s love of Israel and the leftists paranoia of NAZIS under every bed, the tribe has full spectrum ideological dominance in the US, and that’s before we get into their control of finance, business, academia, government and the media. Truly, Americans are a contemptible people who will richly deserve the misfortunes they’re bringing upon themselves at the behest of a hostile tribe, of which we have seen but a fraction.

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  39. AaronB says:

    Actually, this is one reason why Jews are powerful.

    They reject our Enlightenment culture of subjecting everything to rational analysis. Certain things you do not discuss. You do not rationally analyze.

    Jews know well that anything you are willing to rational analyze you can undermine. You can invent convincing reasons for anything. They know this well.

    Who knows how the conversation will develop once you let it happen.

    One of the stupidest weaknesses of white people is the willingness to rationally analyze everything. One major way back to health is to kill the Enlightenment idea of discussing every last thing under the planet and questioning it.

    On another level, this may redpill Peterson on Jews. Anti-semites are typically created by encounters like these, which shock you into the reality about Jews.

    Peterson likely had good relations with Jews in his life and as a materialist has an urge to surrender to any established power, so even though the arguments against Jewish IQ are so obvious and easy to come by he wasn’t too motivated to make them. Then this. A few more incidents like this, and I think our naive young Peterson may perhaps grow up.

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    Excellent point.
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  40. Searching for “Jordan Peterson” at the Southern Poverty Law Center website brings up two instances in their “Hatewatch Headlines” pages. Both are from the last six weeks.

    I expect he’ll start trending, as the months go by, until the SPLC honors him with one of its hate-stain awards.

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    And Peterson is someone who has bended over backwards in an attempt to refute the "anti-semitic" "conspiracy theories" by "crazy Nazis" who think that Jews tend to engage in ethnic networking, nepotism and other group behaviors while simultaneously demonizing group cohesion among their primary ethnic rivals (and encouraging among their non-rival ethnic groups).

    When will people learn that cucking never pays? Winners never cuck and cucks never win.

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  41. AndrewR says:
    @Simon in London
    I think the Official Narrative is that Jews in the USA are an oppressed and powerless minority who are no more intelligent than anyone else? But that the main thing is that non Jews must never ever discuss Jews, even to praise them, as this smacks of Hitler. And you must never discuss the Narrative either, you just have to know what it is.

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the 'men with gold chains' ethnic groups).

    There are plenty of other ethnic groups with relatively high in group preference, but they tend to be either lower median IQ, or small in number.
    Upper middle class non-Jewish whites have a similar median IQ, but typically lower drive, lower pushiness, less verbal felicity, and either no in-group preference, or negative in-group preference - ie they will discriminate against other members of their ethny.

    Hence why white Americans so richly deserve all they get. Who can respect a group with no self-respect? Who can admire a group that abjures self-admiration? What value has a group stuck in an endless cycle of “less racist than thou” virtue-signalling? The current-year American white is perhaps the most pathetic creature to have ever existed.

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    The current-year American white is perhaps the most pathetic creature to have ever existed.
     
    Except for you.
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  42. AndrewR says:
    @Roger
    That article has a lot of innuendo, without actually saying that Peterson is wrong about anything. I get the impression that truth is not the main concern of the Jews who are quoted.

    You might as well have omitted the last three words.

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  43. @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    Not many here would deny the higher Jewish IQ.

    The question is what effect does it have?

    Lots of Jewish mathematicians and physicists etc – good.

    Jewish ethnic hostility to Anglos driving the anti-white narrative in the media and academe – bad.

    Israel lobby – bad.

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    What kept European Jews in check during the Middle Ages and Renaissance? Christendom.

    What had changed between then and the 19th century, when Jews()especially in England, Prussia and France) revealed that they had amassed power 10 times their actual numbers? The Reformation, the Enlightenment, and the other phases of war against Christendom.

    Who truly won the Reformation? Jews and Judaizing heretics such as the Anglo-Saxon Puritans.

    Who won from the intellectual, social, and cultural revolution that was the Enlightenment? Jews and the Deist and pantheist and agnostic post-Christians, the vast majority of whom, like Oliver Cromwell and almost all other Anglo-Saxon Puritan leaders, despised the vast majority of white Gentiles and at least in theory adored Jews.
    , @AndrewR
    Bad for whom?
    , @Anonymous
    Whether it's good or bad for Jews depends on how one looks at it, or more to the point, which Jews look at it. If your primary goal as a Jew is to be affluent, comfortable and safe, anti-white activity by Jews is not a positive because it will provoke an unpleasant and maybe dangerous reaction. If your goal as a Jewish leader is ethnic cohesion, discipline and toughness of your on group, and you realize that a healthy herd needs to have the stragglers picked off once in a while, then you want Jews to be hated openly and even have a pogrom or whatnot once in a while. To that end, you probably figure that that Hitler guy went too far and killed too many, but you also figure that because of Hitler there is Israel today, so he's a mixed enemy, unlike Jesus who was the real bastard. (In more ways than one, so sayeth the Talmud.) But he serves as a convenient totem of scapegoating so you have to curse him all the louder in public.
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  44. AndrewR says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/994000102682394624

    WV has about 1.8 million people, so that comes out to about 600 pills per adult resident over six years, or about two pills per week per adult resident – healthy, sick, pain-free and pain-ridden alike.

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  45. It’s interesting that simultaneous hit pieces appeared in Vox and the Graun, filing people like Jordan Peterson, Brett Weinstein, Alex Jones and Richard Spencer into one category of deplorables.

    It smells of a JournoList-style coordinated attempt to create a framing narrative.

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/10/17338290/intellectual-dark-web-rogan-peterson-harris-times-weiss

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/may/09/the-ntellectual-dark-web-the-supposed-thinking-wing-of-the-alt-right

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    One possible account is that it's MSM facing an existential threat from alternative media and converging on desperate measures to shut the threat down.

    None of these guys are fringe - they are the mainstream that the MSM wants locked out of the conversation because their revenue streams and Twitter can't coexist with complexity of that kind.
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  46. AndrewR says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Searching for "Jordan Peterson" at the Southern Poverty Law Center website brings up two instances in their "Hatewatch Headlines" pages. Both are from the last six weeks.

    I expect he'll start trending, as the months go by, until the SPLC honors him with one of its hate-stain awards.

    And Peterson is someone who has bended over backwards in an attempt to refute the “anti-semitic” “conspiracy theories” by “crazy Nazis” who think that Jews tend to engage in ethnic networking, nepotism and other group behaviors while simultaneously demonizing group cohesion among their primary ethnic rivals (and encouraging among their non-rival ethnic groups).

    When will people learn that cucking never pays? Winners never cuck and cucks never win.

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    Peterson makes $80,000 a month on Patreon and has a best selling book/doorstop -meanwhile Spencer et al are deplatformed. Cucking can pay.
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  47. utu says:
    @Logan
    I read this article at The Forward, then all the comments, which numbered 62 at the time.

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

    Not one made an attempt to defend the thesis of the article or agree that Peterson might really be anti-Semitic.

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

    The point is that the article’s purpose is to legitimize Peterson. This Peterson controversy is false and likely manufactured. Lipstadt, who is not the smartest Jewess, objects to talking too much about Jewish success on the usual grounds but no Jew will object to the meme that Jews have superior intelligence which is not meant for Jews, who always believed they were smarter than anybody (yiddishe kopf), but for gentiles. But what is most important here is that Peterson argues (incorrectly) that intelligence advantage is sufficient to explain Jewish success (overrepresentation) and thus he absolves Jews form accusation of ethnic networking. I dare not to think what Jewish overrepresentation would be if on the top of their superior IQ they also deployed ethnic nepotism. Fortunately their (also superior) moral standards prevent them from doing so.

    Peterson is god sent for Jews. I heard Peterson monetization form his YT video is already above $50k per months.

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    What ethnic group does not practice ethnic nepotism? Richard J. Daley, call your office.
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  48. @eah
    https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/994000102682394624
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  49. El Dato says:
    @Neoconned
    OT -- the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins.....no shock here...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called "alt right" -- again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary's script writers invented -- is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever....

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn't really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he's minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section....and yet....mTHEY STILL FIND US.....

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth....

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid.....just leave us alone....say we are all wrong and full of crap.....SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    From small web acorns mighty steam trains rolling to extermination contractors’ premises grow.

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  50. I’ve listened to dozens of hours of Jordan Peterson’s stuff, and he’s great. He is 100% passionately, forcefully, anti-Nazi and anti-totalitarian. In fact, one gets the impression that’s the focus of his life’s work — preventing totalitarianism and its inevitable slide into war and mass murder.

    The SJW set has completely lost their marbles in the post-Trump world.

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    Yes, and if you listen to some of the hard-core Alt-Right guys (TRS, etc) they are *not* fans of Peterson as the article suggests. They think he is soft on the JQ, and too "centrist" overall.
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  51. Jordan Peterson needs to be careful. It might be better for his career if he steered clear of the Jewish Question.

    Last year, Irish journalist Kevin Myers wrote some flippant remarks concerning Jews. His career was completely destroyed in the ensuing controversy.

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  52. midtown says:
    @Lot
    This article finds Jews have higher levels of "social effectiveness" even when controlling for IQ:

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    Co-author Woodley of Menie is the guy who has the most pessimistic take on dysgenic fertility and thinks Victorians had much higher genotypical IQs.

    I had never heard of the general factor of personality but it does make sense. Jewish success is probably a combination of intelligence, personality, and ordinary ethnic networking/example-making. Of course, they are unfortunately subject to falling prey to the upper middle class political correctness, having more to lose from voicing wrong opinions.

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  53. Jake says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.

    I’ve seen that too, repeatedly. The reason is that if you seem to trying to explain either Jews or blacks to whites in a way that is primarily about telling whites that the Jews/blacks really are not that bad, then the Jews/blacks assume that either you are weak (and so time to attack you more) or that you are playing the same time con game they play all the time, which means you are trying to set them up to be hit hard.

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    or that you are playing the same time con game they play all the time

    What con game is that, specifically? Examples?
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    The negroes I went to school with were from deep in the "hood." They hated whitey with a red hot passion. They only understood weakness and strength. They saw any attempt by a white person to suck up to them as weakness to be exploited.

    There were some very tough white guys in my ghetto school. The negroes were scared to death of them and did everything possible to avoid them.

    Jews are much smarter than negroes, so I assume their reasons for attacking someone who is sympathetic to them are more complex. But my limited exposure to Jews keeps me from drawing any broad conclusions.
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  54. Jake says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Not many here would deny the higher Jewish IQ.

    The question is what effect does it have?

    Lots of Jewish mathematicians and physicists etc - good.

    Jewish ethnic hostility to Anglos driving the anti-white narrative in the media and academe - bad.

    Israel lobby - bad.

    What kept European Jews in check during the Middle Ages and Renaissance? Christendom.

    What had changed between then and the 19th century, when Jews()especially in England, Prussia and France) revealed that they had amassed power 10 times their actual numbers? The Reformation, the Enlightenment, and the other phases of war against Christendom.

    Who truly won the Reformation? Jews and Judaizing heretics such as the Anglo-Saxon Puritans.

    Who won from the intellectual, social, and cultural revolution that was the Enlightenment? Jews and the Deist and pantheist and agnostic post-Christians, the vast majority of whom, like Oliver Cromwell and almost all other Anglo-Saxon Puritan leaders, despised the vast majority of white Gentiles and at least in theory adored Jews.

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  55. Since the SJW set are totalitarians who do support the ultimate ethnic extermination – mass murder – of whites, it’s hardly surprising they oppose Peterson.

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    Peterson himself is pro-immigration and diversity, as far as I can tell.
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  56. IHTG says:

    Gotta love this guy.

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    Agree.
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  57. VD says: • Website
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    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    No, it is not because he has rational explanations for human behavior. It is because I correctly scented the unmistakable aroma of bullshit and sulfur, looked into it, and discovered the following:

    1. He’s an intellectual fraud.
    2. He is pushing an evil philosophy on the unsuspecting and the unsophisticated.
    3. He is NWO.
    4. He de-platformed Faith Goldy for her associations, but is connected to John Podesta and the UN.
    5. His 12 Laws book should be subtitled “A Beginner’s Guide to Spirit Cooking”

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    Vox Day - in your latest post on Jordan Peterson, you write as follows:

    "Anyone who is going [to] tell me that I should not take pride in the tradition that my grandfather established for me, for my brothers, and for my children, can go to Hell. I have nothing but utter contempt for that attitude."

    This is a mistake. It all depends on one's conception of "pride." On some understandings of the word, one can only reasonably take pride in one's own accomplishments - i.e., in things that one has earned, and that do one credit.

    So, for example, one cannot reasonably take pride in one's genetic endowments, since one did nothing to earn or to deserve them. One can only reasonably take pride in what one has chosen to do with ones endowments. Similarly, one cannot reasonably take pride in the accomplishments of one's ancestors, since, again, one did nothing to earn or to deserve those accomplishments.

    One can and should, of course, respect and admire those accomplishments, look up to them as an example, seek to emulate them, and so on. But take "pride" in them? On this view, that's just to misunderstand the nature of proper pride. This seems to be more or less where Peterson is coming from.

    Do you really believe that to think of "pride" in this way is evil and depraved? That just seems kind of crazy.
    , @sturbain
    Vox, I am a fan of your work, but, with all respect, on this issue you're coming off as a bit unhinged. JP is arguing, through his massive megaphone, that some people are successful because they've earned it. They've worked hard, they are smart, they have disciplined themselves. He also argues that western culture should not be dismantled, because it works better than others, it has merit. He disassembles our ideological enemies like no one else today. And he inspires young men to DO SOMETHING. God knows they need that message. Sorry if he doesn't quote Aristotle enough for you or was on a panel with ideological enemies. But as the kids say, whatever. He is doing good. He is teaching an entire generation to doubt and fear the left.

    With all due respect, if you're asking us fellow travelers on the right to choose between Vox and JP, you might not like the result.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Instead of mere claims, why don't you demonstrate your assertions? I have watched a couple of Jordan B. Peterson's videos, and found nothing to support your assessment. Your drive-by hit makes me question whose side you are on.
    , @gda
    Methinks the TRUE reason Vox Day is frothing at the mouth over Jordan Peterson is that Jordan has a bigger one than Vox, and that pisses Vox off.

    And by bigger one I mean
    • Bigger following
    • Bigger readership
    • Bigger d—k?

    What it comes down to is that Vox is just ankle-biting and Jordan really is entitled to deliver a good swift kick in the teeth. But it's like the gnat landing on the buffalo's hoof - he doesn't even notice.

    How embarrassing - all that sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    But hey VD (VD really?) I'm a big fan normally - just who's off his meds here though.

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  58. Big Bill says:
    @eah
    What's not to like?

    https://twitter.com/antichimera/status/993248402472296448

    Yeah. Galut Jews have been floating this Epigenetic Holocaust balloon for a few years now.

    Can’t say as I blame them.

    Once all the existing Holocaust Survivors are dead, who is eligible for Holocaust reparations payments? Who is going to be a named plaintiff in future lawsuits against Swiss banks and insurance companies? Who is going to do the annual mandatory Holocaust re-education classes in public schools across the US telling their tales of personal suffering?

    But they face a delicate problem: They cannot spread their epigenetic net too wide, or blacks, Armenians, Ukrainians, Tutsis, Gypsies, etc., will also claim continuous, eternal genetic damage by historical wrongs done to them by the same Epigenetic Suffering Mechanism. If everyone is a victim, then no one is.

    So the theory the Galut Jews are developing has to be (1) sciency, researchy based, using a (2) selected set of (3) specific victims of a (4) particular Mass Suffering Event (the Holocaust).

    If other ethnic groups were as smart as Galut Jews, they would be investing in their own ethnic/racial studies of Genetically Programmed Eternal Injury and piggyback on the Jewish research.

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  59. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.

    What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.

    Yeah, it’s amazing how the alt-right went has descended from someone like Joe Sobran to a non-religious, Jewish-fetishizing Jordan Peterson.

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  60. Bartolo says:

    THOMAS SOWELL’S last book, _Discrimination and Disparities_, uses the rich-people-talk-more argument. From a review in Amazon:
    Children of parents with professional occupations were found to hear about 2,100 words per hour at home. Children in Working Class houses heard 1,200 words per hour where children from homes which are on welfare were found to hear 600 words per hour.

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  61. Weekender says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    I’m puzzled by that, too. Jordan Peterson’s encouragement of young men seems to to be exactly what Vox Day does in his part of the gaming/sci-fi world. From my limited knowledge of gamergate, doesn’t Peterson’s call out to young men to be strong, focused and “clean their rooms” very close to the Sad Puppies’ agenda?
    I hate the Ben Shapiro/Milo feud, too. Why does Ben get so upset by Loki/Milo? Both have voices that need to be heard in the public square. Big tent, guys, big tent.

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    Hyrax I don't get it either. Peterson eencourages young men to not appologize or back down. his lectures on Disney archetypes are maybe scientifically bogus but entertaining. At least he is a public figure encouraging masculinity and standing for principles. He actually believes what he says.
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  62. It doesn’t bother me that Chinese guys are better at STEM than I am, and I don’t care if that involves gender as well as ethnicity. What’s the big deal?

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    Yeah but don't you want to understand Quantum Field Theory?

    (And now I'm back to Sunday woodwork!)
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  63. Karl says:

    if you were a Martian who fell down to earth, you might deduce that iSteve and _The Forward_ and $PLC are three different breeds of the same species….. creatures who write social commentary as a way of cajoling people to send in cash contributions

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  64. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    https://www.recode.net/2018/5/12/17345502/amazon-jeff-bezos-rooney-rule-diversity-proposal-board-iss-glass-lewis

    Bezos opposes “Rooney Rule” for Amazon board, favoring white male (and female) competency over vibrancy.

    Some Amazon employees are pissed, but Besos blows them off.

    I’m impressed that Bezos didn’t compromise and enlarge the board to include a few highly compensated, do-nothing tokens. That shows he wants board meetings to be efficient and businesslike, without assinine diversity lectures and proposals from the affirmative action peanut gallery.

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  65. Thea says:

    Look if they don’t like the term “Jewish intellegence” I can think up some others to explain their disproportionate influence.

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  66. Thea says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    Purity spirals

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  67. @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    Same reason the Forward is, I’d imagine. In dealing with his class, it works too well.

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  68. Steve –

    Scary thought that I just can’t shake:

    What if the Flynn Effect is fraud?

    It never seemed to make very much sense and seeing how intense the narrative enforcers are now, I am questioning other things. What if the Flynn Effect is intentionally fake?

    It sure sells a happy story and it doesn’t comport with the fact that we know our ancestors who built America weren’t embeciles!

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    When Flynn wrote to Jensen in the 1970s, Jensen came back with four challenges, which over a period of years Flynn largely met to Jensen's satisfaction. It's a pretty encouraging story in the history of science, although you seldom hear about.

    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven's, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.

    In other words, the early IQ guys like Louis Terman were right about the direction the world would move under later guys like his son Fred Terman, the Father of Silicon Valley.

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  69. George says:

    Ya know what Peterson says about hating Jews … first clean your room.

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    Ya know what Peterson says about hating Jews … first clean your room.

     

    ITYM first clean your oven.
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  70. “In an April blog post, he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle.”

    A dog whistle used primarily by Jews themselves. I’ll have to remind them of what Ari wrote the next time I see one use it. Can’t have the Semites saying anti-Semitic things like that.

    And curiously there’s a JP tweet on one of today’s leading articles here where he’s agreeing with the Guardian that IQ is not likely heritable. So then how do Jews get so smart? Is intelligence a gift one can receive as a Bar Mitzva present?

    My son is a big fan of JP. He does a perfect “Clean up your damn room!” impersonation. I’ve watched some of JP’s videos, and thought he was doing good work, and he is, for white gentile young men. It’s not that he’s focusing his message on young white gentile men, it’s that they are the ones paying attention. He’s struck a chord with them.

    And let’s be clear here, the so-called Alt Right is made up almost entirely of young white men, men who realize they have become unwanted and superfluous in their own nations. All they want is their birthright. A great many of them now oppose Israel and the Jews because they see Jews as the main elite group working tirelessly to take that birthright from them, though third wave feminism, mass immigration, and globalism, which seeks to remove European cultural identity and make everyone into an emtpy, gray cog in a money making machine.

    I’d said to my son that it would be better if Peterson continued his work and avoided the JQ altogether, as he was doing so much good for our youth, and the JQ is the third rail. His career won’t survive it if he goes there. Then he took the other route, and tried to be philo-Semitic. Now they’re coming after him anyway.

    I think he is doing too much good for white gential males, and his reasoned stances against identity politics of the left, cultural Marxism, and feminism, were too effective. No matter how much he sucks up to Jewish power, his work is in opposition to it, and he will be taken down.

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  72. The Jews, Lipstadt and Beirich, quoted in the article above, speak as though they believe that because Jews may have, on average, higher IQs, then every Jew is smarter than any Gentile Eurowhite with whom they find themselves talking to or about.

    Or, as Socrates put it after having challenged those who claimed to be especially knowledgeable, their overconfidence led them to believe that their skill in one area gave them the right to speak with authority about virtually everything; which led to their being wrong about many things.

    Jews make an analogous mistake. What little average advantage they may have they inflate into an absolute advantage every time, everywhere and so, consequently, are wrong much of the time. They believe that anyone who calls them on their bulls*t is doing so from a position of intellectual or moral inferiority. Historically, they fall into traps of their own making.

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    "They believe that anyone who calls them on their bulls*t is doing so from a position of intellectual or moral inferiority."

    If the latter includes antisemitism, agreed.
    If not, then Photiphar's Wife Complex (Gen. 39:1-18) explains most of guilty white liberal socialism/progressivism: always accuse your opponent of what you are most guilty of in aces and spades.
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  73. Joe Walker says: • Website

    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?

    It may be good for the Jews but it is certainly bad for the gentiles. Jews have tended to use their power to benefit themselves at the expense of gentiles. If Jews really want to see an end to anti-Semitism then they should change their behavior. In other words, they should start asking themselves questions such as “Is it good for the Jews and the gentiles?”.

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    69 Joe Walker > If Jews really want to see an end to anti-Semitism then they should volunteer in the Israel Border Police

    fixed it for you. By the way, the Border Police has no age limits. If you pass the physicals and the interviews, you'll be accepted as a Border Police Volunteer Officer. There are hours-per-month service requirements.
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  74. Thea says:
    @Simon in London
    I think the Official Narrative is that Jews in the USA are an oppressed and powerless minority who are no more intelligent than anyone else? But that the main thing is that non Jews must never ever discuss Jews, even to praise them, as this smacks of Hitler. And you must never discuss the Narrative either, you just have to know what it is.

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the 'men with gold chains' ethnic groups).

    There are plenty of other ethnic groups with relatively high in group preference, but they tend to be either lower median IQ, or small in number.
    Upper middle class non-Jewish whites have a similar median IQ, but typically lower drive, lower pushiness, less verbal felicity, and either no in-group preference, or negative in-group preference - ie they will discriminate against other members of their ethny.

    Also WASPs not policing their territory. If they had defended their own people and culture and made it clear others would not be able to usurp influence then We wouldn’t be in this mess.

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  75. @Dave Pinsen
    I think there's a lot of resentment of him too.

    Peterson has decades of experience giving engaging classroom lectures and knows how to speak. And he leveraged that to become a self-made YouTube phenomenon, and then translated that into a best-selling book, sold-out personal appearances, and one of the top Patreon accounts.

    What's more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    Reasonable people can nit-pick the patch he came up with, question his erudition, and talk about how he's strayed out of his lane, etc., but I think resentment explains a big part of the reaction. What Peterson is attempting -- moral/psychological therapy on a mass scale, as opposed to watered down self-help bromides -- is a rare thing to pull off. Maybe the last person who did was Viktor Frankl.

    What’s more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    ^
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    What oft was thot but ne’er so well expressed.

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  76. “[A]dored by Neo-Nazis”?

    Funny, much of the Alt-Right have sharply criticized Peterson.

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  77. BB753 says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    Vox Day is a great writer and debater, but has huge blind spots in his thinking. For instance, he’s a creationist and he believes anybody who doesn’t adhere to his peculiar brand of right – wing philosophy is a traitor to the cause.

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  78. George says:

    Swastika left on bulletin board at Harvard

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/12/swastika-left-on-bulletin-board-at-harvard/

    Didn’t Peterson lecture at Harvard?

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  79. slumber_j says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    There are two theories.

    And they aren’t mutually exclusive. “A bit of both” is the answer to a lot of questions, in my experience.

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    I wish I could agree with this a thousand times. Why do people get so caught up in false dichotomies?!
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  81. eah says:

    ‘The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes stabs you in the back.’

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  83. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Julian Sanchez of Cato likes that the Left doesn’t need to “bake the cake” when it comes to VDare. Is it because he’s a libertarian or something else?

    Then Sanchez retweeted this tweet made me fall out of my chair:

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    What you see there is the rear of the tractor-trailer that just ran over your society.
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  84. The metoo ™ movement came after Peterson a few months ago, dredging up three old charges of sexual harassment. At first, I thought it was over for him. I can’t think of anyone else whose career has survived their attacks since Harvey Weinstein went down. Sam Harris, IIRC, cancelled an appearance with him over the charges as soon as they were made public. I thought that was the beginning.

    But Peterson just came out and said the charges were false, and that was it. He just kept going, and I haven’t heard about the charges since.

    I find that a little odd. I, like most of the commenters here, have a strong sense that the MSM/SJW complex is out to silence him. So why did they drop one of their most effective clubs?

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  85. AndrewR says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Not many here would deny the higher Jewish IQ.

    The question is what effect does it have?

    Lots of Jewish mathematicians and physicists etc - good.

    Jewish ethnic hostility to Anglos driving the anti-white narrative in the media and academe - bad.

    Israel lobby - bad.

    Bad for whom?

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    Bad for nearly everyone, including most Jews - something that people like Stephen Miller can see.
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  86. eah says:

    New ‘Common Core’ math: simple, relevant facts about unskilled, semi-/il-literate NAM immigrants = “anti-immigrant rhetoric used to turn away Jews”

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  87. Whitney says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson. I don’t read Voxday but there seemed to be a general consensus that he is super arrogant and couldn’t stand the competition. I don’t remember which post it was but it was recent

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    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson.
     
    I see comments here from "Z-Man" and others from "The Z-Blog". Are these the same individual or not?
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  88. @another underground man
    I've listened to dozens of hours of Jordan Peterson's stuff, and he's great. He is 100% passionately, forcefully, anti-Nazi and anti-totalitarian. In fact, one gets the impression that's the focus of his life's work -- preventing totalitarianism and its inevitable slide into war and mass murder.

    The SJW set has completely lost their marbles in the post-Trump world.

    Yes, and if you listen to some of the hard-core Alt-Right guys (TRS, etc) they are *not* fans of Peterson as the article suggests. They think he is soft on the JQ, and too “centrist” overall.

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  89. peterike says:

    There’s no such thing as Jewish influence and we’ll silence anyone who says there is.

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  90. Berty says:

    Jordan Peterson is a lying douchebag who dresses up standard consumerist individualism with a veneer of self-improvement. He’s full of shit and I can’t stand him.

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    He’s full of shit and I can’t stand him.
     
    No one cares about what you can stand. Except Sailer. He likes you so well he posts your solipcistic rants.
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  91. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @TelfoedJohn
    His calculation were a just-so story. For a start, the 115 IQ came from an elite private school. (A similar test from a non-Jewish school had a score of 119...)

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html

    I don’t want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me; he razed Petersen’s intellectual house and salted the grounds after.

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    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.
    , @Lucius Somesuch

    I don’t want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me
     
    If you're sentient, there's a healthy possibility he will.

    Vox Day is, in fairness to him, a highly intelligent man who has written forcefully and well on a number of important topics--including this wholesome skepticism about Ashkenazi IQ.

    However, his pugilism has long since strayed into megalomania as he subjects his loyalists to struggle sessions, threatens to "Burn the world down" to destroy Gab, and now declaims against the "crazy Christ" and "Nazi monster" Jordan Peterson.

    JBP's intellectual crimes, such as they may be, seem no more offensive to common sense than those of some of VD's "allies" such as Milo, Stefan, and Cernovich. But "alliances" are, in VD's Calvin & Hobbes inner life, of the utmost importance, and only a swastika panty-wearing gamma male, a "Secret King" who in his own mind can never be defeated, would doubt that alliances are more important than reason, truth, or Christian probity. Milo might be a sodomite Jew blasphemously "married" to a black man, but he accepted VD's alliance. Perhaps Jordan Peterson also was offered the awesome chance of making an alliance with a self-published fantasy novelist he'd never heard of and evilly declined. We may never know, but whatever happens, VD will win. Just like Gab never burned down, and Vox's Evil Legion of Legal Eagle Death mysteriously vaporized, but no matter. VD accomplished whatever it is he truly set out to accomplish. If you doubt that, you too must be a gamma Secret King loser who needs to buy his books and submit to his instruction, just like Rouge et Noir author Stendhal. Also, you're probably a p**d, p**d.

    It's cruel but true so I sometimes point it out: really, Vox does not have the most prepossessing physiognomy for someone who self-appoints himself a global uprooter of secret p**ophiles.
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  92. songbird says:

    I wonder what the longest stretch Ari Feldman has gone without calling someone a Nazi is. Could he even make it a day, let alone a week without doing it?

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  93. Svigor says:

    Lipstadt said that MacDonald’s academic language obscures the anti-Semitism behind his opinions. She worries the same is true of Peterson.

    That’s an odd statement. There isn’t much obscuring going on in MacDonald’s writing; TOQ is the world’s foremost countersemitic outlet.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average

    Umm…no?

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  94. LondonBob says:

    Gateway drug.

    Interested to see what happens with generation Z.

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  95. Svigor says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything.

    I assume by “many” you mean Jews and their water boys? Nobody else ever mentions it.

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  96. @Dave Pinsen
    I think there's a lot of resentment of him too.

    Peterson has decades of experience giving engaging classroom lectures and knows how to speak. And he leveraged that to become a self-made YouTube phenomenon, and then translated that into a best-selling book, sold-out personal appearances, and one of the top Patreon accounts.

    What's more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    Reasonable people can nit-pick the patch he came up with, question his erudition, and talk about how he's strayed out of his lane, etc., but I think resentment explains a big part of the reaction. What Peterson is attempting -- moral/psychological therapy on a mass scale, as opposed to watered down self-help bromides -- is a rare thing to pull off. Maybe the last person who did was Viktor Frankl.

    well said

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  97. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there any new mini-brain news?

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  98. Moses says:
    @Anonymous
    Peterson has a large audience now and by merely mentioning and talking about Jews, even if it's in neutral or positive terms, he's pointing them out, distinguishing them, which tends to unsettle many Jews:

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/angrif03.htm

    The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
     

    Yeah, this.

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  99. bartok says:

    It’s OK for Gentiles to laugh at comedy by and about Jews – a Mel Brooks movie about a macher, for example. But retaining the concept of macher when you leave the theater is quite suspicious, as is any Gentile thinking, speaking or writing about Jews.

    Noticers must be put on notice.

    Never mind that Jews are now editors-in-chief of most all of the old WASP publications (such as The Atlantic and National Geographic) and have been commissioning incessantly about Jew-ish topics (race, Israel, race, Jews, gender bending and smashing the White patriarchy). Any Gentile who goes on to think, speak or write about the topics he read of in his magazine is very suspicious.

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  100. res says:
    @Lot
    This article finds Jews have higher levels of "social effectiveness" even when controlling for IQ:

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    Co-author Woodley of Menie is the guy who has the most pessimistic take on dysgenic fertility and thinks Victorians had much higher genotypical IQs.

    Thanks for that. I was surprised to see Jewish higher Agreeableness. Do you know any more about that?

    That paper on James Thompson’s blog: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/have-you-jewish-personality/

    Folowup by the lead author: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289539875_Testing_the_Replicability_of_High_Jewish_Scores_on_the_General_Factor_of_Personality

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    I think some of these personality factors also partly explain NE Asian and Mexican underperformance relative to IQ. I am interested to see where his work creating a personality g factor goes.
    , @Mishra

    I was surprised to see Jewish higher Agreeableness.
     
    Not even Jews believe that one. Not even Lot, probably.
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  101. res says:
    @slumber_j

    There are two theories.
     
    And they aren't mutually exclusive. "A bit of both" is the answer to a lot of questions, in my experience.

    I wish I could agree with this a thousand times. Why do people get so caught up in false dichotomies?!

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  102. Anon7 says:
    @DFH
    Except the 115 assumption has already been debunked. And our host himself has shown that Jews are massively overrepresented relative to intelligence. So Jordan must be either sloppy, very poor at quantiative reasoning or lying.

    I should have added that in this article, he was responding to a guy who just couldn’t see how 115 IQ in a population of 6 million could produce so many brilliant people. He was trying to show the difference between needing to go three SDs to get to genius instead of just two. He was using this guy’s numbers for Jews and Jewish IQs.

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  103. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha
    Everyone is afraid of Jordan. He is way too good looking for 2018. My sons like his post messages...so he is bad, bad, bad. but he so sexy and not quite Christian...so...problem.

    “post messages”

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    Haha! you got me! Clumsy writing. I meant: they like the messages they hear while watching the many Youtube vids of his lectures/discussions/debates with others.
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  104. Lot says:
    @res
    Thanks for that. I was surprised to see Jewish higher Agreeableness. Do you know any more about that?

    That paper on James Thompson's blog: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/have-you-jewish-personality/

    Folowup by the lead author: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289539875_Testing_the_Replicability_of_High_Jewish_Scores_on_the_General_Factor_of_Personality

    I think some of these personality factors also partly explain NE Asian and Mexican underperformance relative to IQ. I am interested to see where his work creating a personality g factor goes.

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    "I am interested to see where his work creating a personality g factor goes."

    Razib Kahn half-jokingly coined the abbreviation PQ to stand for personality quotient.
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  105. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ
    Your website has re-Tweeted a very relevant and humorous image. I need to visit more often!

    https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/995032588644421634

    If my understanding of the late Alexander Cockburn’s book Idle Passion was correct then apophenia is historically concomitant to hyper-rational feats of pattern recognition (actually Chesterton said much the same re: lunacy).

    http://web.archive.org/web/19961119143115/http://www.sincity.com/penn-n-teller/pcc/wingding.html

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  106. BenKenobi says:
    @Neoconned
    OT -- the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins.....no shock here...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called "alt right" -- again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary's script writers invented -- is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever....

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn't really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he's minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section....and yet....mTHEY STILL FIND US.....

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth....

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid.....just leave us alone....say we are all wrong and full of crap.....SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    Because we’re right.

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  107. Saxon says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    Read his blog to find out. Short of it: Peterson is a phony. He hasn’t read the classics. Recent digging has shown he’s actually worked for the UN trying to sanitize the ideology in their globohomo one-world-government documents to make them more Orwellian pomo gibberish, and less obvious ideology-filled.

    He’s essentially a gatekeeper to misdirect actual nationalist type sentiment against their countries being turned into third world mysterymeatzone north #445 (otherwise previously known as part of Sweden or whatever) under the rulership of a largely jewish globalist elite.

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  108. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    Peterson is unstable and has been on antidepressants for years. It’s like having Jose Canseco as the guru of natural physical training and clean living.

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    Actually, overcoming depression and leading a productive life is a huge feat. I have a lot of respect for people who fight depression every day of their lives. Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to. It's a very painful and debilitating condition, rooted in the neurochemistry of our brains. No laughing matter, believe me.
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  109. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    OT -- the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins.....no shock here...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called "alt right" -- again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary's script writers invented -- is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever....

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn't really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he's minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section....and yet....mTHEY STILL FIND US.....

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth....

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid.....just leave us alone....say we are all wrong and full of crap.....SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    see NY Times front pages from 2002-2003 concerning Martha Burk vs. Augusta Nat’l Golf Club, i.e. most important effing news event during that year apparently

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  110. Big Bill says:
    @CCZ
    Your website has re-Tweeted a very relevant and humorous image. I need to visit more often!

    https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/995032588644421634

    Funny! What’s funnier is that they have changed their logo to use “R” and not “r” so it does not “offend” anyone.

    Go here to see the new one: https://www.ravpower.com/ismart.

    I am dying to see the chain of emails among upper management and their trademark attorneys as they discussed their “problematic” trademark and decided what to do about it.

    Who first wrote them and said they were “shocked, SHOCKED” at their “insensitivity”. Did they get a letter from the ADL?

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  111. Lot says:
    @Peter Johnson
    These computations of demographic percentages above a cut-off (e.g., three standard deviations above the mean implies 0.135% of the population) rely too strongly on an exact normal distribution for the trait under consideration. Most social traits do not have anything like a normal distribution in the tails. It is maybe a useful back-of-the-envelope guesstimate, but do not take it too seriously.

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.

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    Household wealth is distributed non-normally, and the same for household and personal income. For social traits, normality works well in the -2.5 standard deviation to +2.5 standard deviation range around the mean, but not outside that range (the tails).

    As you say, the normal distribution of IQ test scores is just about test calibration + central limit theorem effects with a large number of test items. So the normality of IQ scores seems more a manufactured property than an empirical characteristic of the trait. Anyway this is all too technical so maybe let's leave it.

    , @Neil Templeton

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.
     
    That is true for the underlying parent population, but not necessarily true for subpops. In order to engage in tail inference for subpops, estimates of the % of population of the subpop above, say, the 2nd or 3rd standard deviation of the parent distribution are needed. If the test sample of the subpop is representative with respect to IQ, the best estimate of 3rd SD is likely the ratio of subpop test takers with IQ scores > 145 to the subpop sample size. The mean of the subpop doesn't help much unless you also know the distribution of subpop IQ relative to parent pop IQ and the standard deviation or other relevant spread parameter(s).

    I'm not a statistician and may be off here in the details, but the general idea is that tail inference requires knowledge of the underlying distribution, as well as the mean and other relevant parameters. Why should the derived IQ of a subpopulation such as Jews or Anglicans be assumed to be normally distributed with respect to the distribution of IQ in the scaled scores of the parent sample, and why should the subpop SD be assumed to equal 15?

    , @Anonymous

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.
     
    Due to the norming being done with samples in the N=1,000 to 10,000 range, the N for >3SD is too small to be meaningful. This results in fat tails still showing up in large samples. Because fat tails are real and normality is only an approximation of the true distribution.
    , @anon
    I dunno. There's almost no one with an IQ below, say, 50. That's literally too stupid to live (as a human). But there are plenty of people with IQs above 150. If it were symmetric then there should be equal numbers, but IQ is definitely skew positive.

    Peter's point about taking conclusions based on calculations at the tails with a grain of salt still stands.
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  112. @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    Ari Feldman and the The Forward editors have undermined the thesis that Jews are more intelligent. If they’re so smart why are they attacking one of their best defenses? Sheesh.

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  113. El Dato says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    It doesn't bother me that Chinese guys are better at STEM than I am, and I don't care if that involves gender as well as ethnicity. What's the big deal?

    Yeah but don’t you want to understand Quantum Field Theory?

    (And now I’m back to Sunday woodwork!)

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    Quantum Field Theory: nah.
    Woodwork: have renovated many curbside rescues with corner braces and some paint.
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  114. @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    White women voters want the supernatural. White women voters find rational political argumentation boring. So do most men with balls, brains and heart.

    Soon-to-croak-McCain was right to talk about transcendence in politics. McCain’s conception and ideas involving political transcendence were dead wrong.

    McCain wanted Americans to transcendentally find meaning and motivation by allowing their hearts to be consumed with visions of imperial glory. Turns out that means the Iraq War debacle, nation-wrecking mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and globalized financialism.

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  115. Lot says:
    @DCThrowback
    I don't want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me; he razed Petersen's intellectual house and salted the grounds after.

    He really didn’t. I wouldn’t engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin’s huge study showed.

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    Termin's studies monitored the top 1% in intelligence. The IQ range Vox is discussing (145+) is considerably more exclusive than that. It's possible the intellectual exclusion Vox is talking about doesn't show up in Termin's work because his groupings are simply too coarse at the tail end.
    , @OP
    You need to read his latest bit on him in VD's blog. Peterson was involved with the UN.
    , @Simon in London
    Charles Murray made the point in The Bell Curve (using the NLSY) that above about IQ 140 several life outcomes worsen compared to IQ 120-130 - lower earnings, and of course lower fertility. Even lower baby birth weight I think.

    This is not incompatible with Termin's finding (per Wikipedia):

    "Genetic Studies of Genius revealed that gifted and genius children were in at least as good as average health and had normal personalities. Few of them demonstrated the previously-held negative stereotypes of gifted children. He found that gifted children did not fit the existing stereotypes often associated with them: they were not weak and sickly social misfits, but in fact were generally taller, in better health, better developed physically, and better adapted socially than other children. The children included in his studies were colloquially referred to as "Termites".[16] The gifted children thrived both socially and academically. In relationships, they were less likely to divorce.[7] Additionally, those in the gifted group were generally successful in their careers: Many received awards recognizing their achievements. Though many of the children reached exceptional heights in adulthood, not all did."

    Termin disproved the belief that very high IQ types were dysfunctional freaks with *below average* life outcomes, he did not find that they did better than IQ 120-130 - the kind of range you tend to find most senior executives, political leaders, and other 'masters of the universe'. Indeed even many leading academics have IQs around 130 or so, albeit depending on the field I suspect.

    , @Allen
    Yeah, Vox has done good work with Castalia House and rabid puppies, but he's really full of himself and always bragging about how high his IQ is. I still find it weird that he goes after Peterson and Spencer with vitriol and praises people like Milo and Cernovich. If you're cool with the later, I'm not sure why you wouldn't see at least some good in the work of the former. Of course if you want absolute Christian/alt-right/racial doctrinal purity, I could understand attacking all of them, but that's not what Vox is doing.
    , @Stan Adams
    "Dysfunctional" might be a little harsh. But it is true that Day has described superior intelligence as a kind of handicap.

    Today, he posted this:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/interview-with-jesse-peterson.html

    Jesse: What is a high IQ?

    Vox: Well, you know, IQ is best understood in terms of its standard deviation, so 100 IQ is normal, the Mensa level IQ is the top two percent of the population, so one in 50, that's about 132, you know. I'm in the 3 to 4 standard deviation range, so I'm probably around the one in a thousand, one in 1500 level. There are plenty of people like me, but not a whole lot.

    Jesse: Do you feel smart? I mean, how do you know that you're that smart?

    Vox: I guess the easiest way for me to explain it is to put it in terms like this; I'm also slightly colorblind. There are some differentiations between orange and green that I literally cannot see. You can point it out to me, you can trace it, you can draw it, and I cannot see it, no matter what. Being highly intelligent tends to be like the other side of that, you know, you see things, and you think they're obvious, and it's very, very surprising to you that other people can't see them. So, I would say that in terms of your day-to-day relationships with other people, it's often just having to understand that other people can't always see what you see, or they can't always reach conclusions as quickly as you can.
     
    To a certain segment of the audience, such talk comes across as petty, gratuitous bragging. "I'm a lot smarter than you are; ergo, I'm right and you're wrong, even if you're too much of an imbecile to grasp that simple fact."

    The phrasing also seems unnecessarily pretentious, even passive-aggressive. I would just say, "The world is full of drooling morons who are too dull to understand the correctness of my arguments. It's very frustrating to spend my life attempting to converse with dimwitted dummies who don't agree with everything I say." Why mince words?

    (That being said, I know what it's like to be on a totally different wavelength from everyone else in a crowded room. It's not fun.)

    It's hard to imagine Steve giving an interview where he boasts about his superior IQ and denigrates the intelligence of his day-to-day associates. He seems to operate under the assumption that his level of discourse is sufficient proof of his intellectual worth. I tend to agree with his apparent belief that shameless self-congratulation is best kept to a minimum.

    That being said, I don't have any skin in the Peterson game. The fact that Day is systematically dismantling him doesn't bother me. In fact, I can think of quite a few bestselling authors who deserve to be torn to shreds.
    , @Rapparee
    I read his book "SJWs Always Lie". He struck me as a reasonably bright guy with some valid insights on how to respond to activists- but also very clearly as someone more than a little unhinged and paranoid. Humility and self-reflection are not first amongst his virtues, though he surely has many others. For him to accuse someone like Dr. Peterson of intellectual dishonesty is rather absurd.
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  116. @DCThrowback
    I don't want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me; he razed Petersen's intellectual house and salted the grounds after.

    I don’t want Vox Day to ever be jealous/angry with me

    If you’re sentient, there’s a healthy possibility he will.

    Vox Day is, in fairness to him, a highly intelligent man who has written forcefully and well on a number of important topics–including this wholesome skepticism about Ashkenazi IQ.

    However, his pugilism has long since strayed into megalomania as he subjects his loyalists to struggle sessions, threatens to “Burn the world down” to destroy Gab, and now declaims against the “crazy Christ” and “Nazi monster” Jordan Peterson.

    JBP’s intellectual crimes, such as they may be, seem no more offensive to common sense than those of some of VD’s “allies” such as Milo, Stefan, and Cernovich. But “alliances” are, in VD’s Calvin & Hobbes inner life, of the utmost importance, and only a swastika panty-wearing gamma male, a “Secret King” who in his own mind can never be defeated, would doubt that alliances are more important than reason, truth, or Christian probity. Milo might be a sodomite Jew blasphemously “married” to a black man, but he accepted VD’s alliance. Perhaps Jordan Peterson also was offered the awesome chance of making an alliance with a self-published fantasy novelist he’d never heard of and evilly declined. We may never know, but whatever happens, VD will win. Just like Gab never burned down, and Vox’s Evil Legion of Legal Eagle Death mysteriously vaporized, but no matter. VD accomplished whatever it is he truly set out to accomplish. If you doubt that, you too must be a gamma Secret King loser who needs to buy his books and submit to his instruction, just like Rouge et Noir author Stendhal. Also, you’re probably a p**d, p**d.

    It’s cruel but true so I sometimes point it out: really, Vox does not have the most prepossessing physiognomy for someone who self-appoints himself a global uprooter of secret p**ophiles.

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  117. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Is insert-name-here anti-semitic? To ask the question is to answer it. The answer is, obviously,............yes.

    A rhetorical trick that’s “as old as the hills” as they used to say. The NY Times has raised it to a veritable art form.

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  118. By taking up men’s rights, Peterson already put’s himself in harms way with all the other identity groups on the left that have to align themselves with feminists to gain political power. This includes Jews. The left benefits greatly from the fact that their two main opponents, whites and men, are not nearly as self-aware and in grouped as the coalition of minorities that is the left in this country. The last thing the left wants is for either or both of those two groups to become motivated and organized thereby upsetting their apple cart.

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    Jordan Peterson is interesting for the same reason James Damore is interesting. Both of them are willing to openly discuss the rotten nature of feminism in an intelligent and truthful manner. It is something that we hardly hear in this culture though it is desperately needed which is the reason people are shocked. It is certainly not because of their attractive looks.

    Tucker Carlson invited both of these guys on his show for the same reason. Men and whites are the last two identity groups to awaken and there is a massive upside potential to build an audience. He is doing the same thing with whites, and his show is wildly successful because of it. With both identity groups being the last frontier for marketers and politicians and I am sure this does not make some people happy. In fact, they are many of the ones who are most aware of the potential and fear it the most.

    Just as it has been said that Trump was the only guy in the room to pick up the $100 bill on the floor (immigration) we are waiting for someone to do the same with same thing with men's issues. The fact that there are people who are 'concerned' should not be surprising.
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  119. No, Jordan Peterson isn’t enabling Jew hatred. Jews are.

    Peterson is enabling cuck contempt.

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  120. @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    There’s considerable disincentive to advocating “Theory 1″, but only if one hopes to feed himself or his family. And I’m not particularly a fan of Richard Spencer but 90% of what Spencer advocates would have been considered obviously desirable to 90% of the American and British men who died fighting the Nazis.

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  121. @AndrewR
    And Peterson is someone who has bended over backwards in an attempt to refute the "anti-semitic" "conspiracy theories" by "crazy Nazis" who think that Jews tend to engage in ethnic networking, nepotism and other group behaviors while simultaneously demonizing group cohesion among their primary ethnic rivals (and encouraging among their non-rival ethnic groups).

    When will people learn that cucking never pays? Winners never cuck and cucks never win.

    Peterson makes $80,000 a month on Patreon and has a best selling book/doorstop -meanwhile Spencer et al are deplatformed. Cucking can pay.

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  122. I’m often baffled by what the establishment media chooses to focus on when they report on non-establishment right-wing discourse. Part of it might be that Richard Spencer calls himself a “think tank” with a generic-sounding name like “National Policy Institute”, and he registered a highly-coveted domain name, so he gets outsized media coverage. But he’s just a guy with a blog and no original thoughts in his head, and I don’t know anybody who actually reads him.

    The general take on Jews from the “alt-right” sources I read is that gentiles should be more like Jews, and America should be more like Israel. It might be one of those Sapir-Whorf situations; there’s no word in the political vocabulary for this concept, while “antisemitism” is easily available as a description of anybody who notices anything at all about Jews. (I mean, just look at this bit: “he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle.” So you don’t think it’s a conspiracy? That’s exactly what an antisemitic conspiracy theorist would say!)

    Or maybe it’s just the usual bien-pensant penchant for smear jobs, and I’m overthinking things.

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    Spencer got the tons of media coverage because he was friendly to the media and always gave them just want they wanted. He was also well located in the DC area. (Or allowed journalists to do longer stories about him in a beautiful Montana resort town. That sure beats an Indiana trailer park where his neonazi rivals lived.)

    A large share of journalism is also ripping off the stories of other journalists. That is the entire HuffPo early business model, and it worked well. So if you wanted to be the 77th journalist to run an article about the scary new far right in 2016, you'd go to Spencer like all the others did, he'd promptly and politely return your calls, and give you just the right quote that fits right into your article.
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  123. @Simon in London
    Since the SJW set are totalitarians who do support the ultimate ethnic extermination - mass murder - of whites, it's hardly surprising they oppose Peterson.

    Peterson himself is pro-immigration and diversity, as far as I can tell.

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  124. @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    Termin’s studies monitored the top 1% in intelligence. The IQ range Vox is discussing (145+) is considerably more exclusive than that. It’s possible the intellectual exclusion Vox is talking about doesn’t show up in Termin’s work because his groupings are simply too coarse at the tail end.

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  125. Joe862 says:

    It seems to me he isn’t that interested in the topic and doesn’t want to talk about it. At least not right now. He’s certainly bright enough to know that sucking up to jews is a good way to stay in the good graces of the media. Since he’s selling books and doing other stuff that relies on the media, that’s important right now. He’s also making some space between himself and those who have an overpowering hatred of jews.

    His message is basically to become an adult and have the courage to think for yourself. Get yourself together. He says he’s not political and getting caught up in critiquing jewish behavior is more political. If people actually became adults, thought for themselves, they’d be far more able to make honest, objective assessments of jewish behavior.

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  126. Richard Spencer is a WASP / KRAUT who has been attacked in public for his political views.

    Richard Spencer is using his real name and he stands up and speaks his mind.

    That’s important.

    Richard Spencer can’t be blamed for being born in Boston. 1978. Fourteen and a half game lead over Yankees, Bucky Dent golfs one out, over.

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  127. Perhaps this is old hat but I was not aware that identifying high intelligence with Jews was anti-Semitic. This is they type of thinking that suggests high intelligence ought to come with a warning label.

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  128. Lot says:
    @WowJustWow
    I'm often baffled by what the establishment media chooses to focus on when they report on non-establishment right-wing discourse. Part of it might be that Richard Spencer calls himself a "think tank" with a generic-sounding name like "National Policy Institute", and he registered a highly-coveted domain name, so he gets outsized media coverage. But he's just a guy with a blog and no original thoughts in his head, and I don't know anybody who actually reads him.

    The general take on Jews from the "alt-right" sources I read is that gentiles should be more like Jews, and America should be more like Israel. It might be one of those Sapir-Whorf situations; there's no word in the political vocabulary for this concept, while "antisemitism" is easily available as a description of anybody who notices anything at all about Jews. (I mean, just look at this bit: "he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle." So you don't think it's a conspiracy? That's exactly what an antisemitic conspiracy theorist would say!)

    Or maybe it's just the usual bien-pensant penchant for smear jobs, and I'm overthinking things.

    Spencer got the tons of media coverage because he was friendly to the media and always gave them just want they wanted. He was also well located in the DC area. (Or allowed journalists to do longer stories about him in a beautiful Montana resort town. That sure beats an Indiana trailer park where his neonazi rivals lived.)

    A large share of journalism is also ripping off the stories of other journalists. That is the entire HuffPo early business model, and it worked well. So if you wanted to be the 77th journalist to run an article about the scary new far right in 2016, you’d go to Spencer like all the others did, he’d promptly and politely return your calls, and give you just the right quote that fits right into your article.

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    Spencer also has that slight (at times not so slight) homosexual affect which appeals to reporters
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  129. Davosbane says:

    The irony is that Peterson is very Jew friendly.

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    Is Peterson's wife Jewish?
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  130. Luke Lea says:

    Ari Feldman? I would certainly like to know more about him.

    On the plus side, there was a lot of good honest pushback among the commenters, including a lot of regular Forward readers.

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    Who is Ari Feldman? http://www.aefeldman.us/

    Maybe we should cut him some slack for age?
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  131. Luke Lea says:
    @Anon
    Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries. You see the word pop up in comments on articles in the New York Times. People don't exactly know what it means, but they know it has the power to DESTROY all the racist bullshit coming from NAZI geneticists and psychologists.

    “Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries.”

    My liberal sister brought up epigenetics, which she thought just referred to the various ways the environment influences gene expression, not necessarily (or usually) inherited by the next generation. Which is what Wikipedia seems to say. But then the whole topic of methylation and heritability gets mixed in. Now I’m not sure what we are talking about anymore when the topic of epigenetics comes up. What does it mean? Anybody know?

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    My liberal sister brought up epigenetics, which she thought just referred to the various ways the environment influences gene expression, not necessarily (or usually) inherited by the next generation. Which is what Wikipedia seems to say. But then the whole topic of methylation and heritability gets mixed in. Now I’m not sure what we are talking about anymore when the topic of epigenetics comes up. What does it mean? Anybody know?
     
    I do.

    It means that the current model of inheritance, DNA & genes, is just part of the answer and not a full explanation. Or at least some people are positing that this is so.

    In this hypothesis, using Rumsfeldian semantics, your concerns would be classified as known unknowns.

    Does that answer your question?
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  132. OP says:
    @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    You need to read his latest bit on him in VD’s blog. Peterson was involved with the UN.

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  133. Danindc says:
    @Anon
    It's savaged in its own comments. An example from a Jay Rosen:

    I am a Jew. I volunteered during the Yom Kippur War. No one defends the Jews more than I do. This article is idiotic and contemptible. It make me lose respect for the Forward and have no respect for Feldman. I have listened to hundreds of hours of Jordan Peterson and never found anything, either directly or indirectly, that was in any way antisemitic. This is a stupid and malicious article. It should be retracted, taken down and The Forward should make a formal first page retraction for its slanderous libel. No one could be a stronger enemy of fascism and evil than Peterson, or be a more effective critic. Shame on you.
     

    “I fought in the Yom Kippur war”….thats the same for Jews as I saw Wilt score 100 for baby boomers. Agree though.

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  134. The Forward article is typical of the environment that SJWs have created in which white gentiles are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

    Noticing race = racist; Being color-blind = denying one’s racial identity = racist. Ignore foreign cultures = bigot; Participate in foreign cultures = cultural appropriation. Notice a scantily-clad woman = objectifying women = sexist; tell women to be modest with their dress = “slut-shaming” = sexist. The examples are almost endless.

    This mine field of contradictions in relation to “people of color” and women, is no less present when discussing anything related to Jews. Let’s take a couple quotes from the Forward article to see just how contradictory it is. The article states in paragraph two:

    “[Peterson] has answered questions about global Jewish influence several times, in person and online. In an April blog post, he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle.”

    In the very next paragraph, the article reads:

    “Yet Peterson rarely speaks about anti-Semitism itself, even though he says he’s been obsessed with the Holocaust since he was a teenager and lectures on it frequently. Critics say this omission may encourage anti-Semitism among Peterson’s followers…”

    So, when Peterson takes “anti-semitism” head on and explains Jewish influence as the natural result of Jewish intelligence, he is encouraging said “anti-semitism.” But if he doesn’t talk about “anti-semitism,” he is also encouraging it. Peterson is condemned for both talking and not talking.

    The article goes on to say:

    “Peterson’s willingness to answer questions about “Jewish success” and his interest in IQ literature is “suspicious” said Deborah Lipstadt…

    “Lipstadt said that Peterson’s statements on Jewish intelligence reminded her of Kevin MacDonald.”

    So some of those who follow Mr. Peterson have requested that he talk about the JQ, and he has obliged them, by defending Jews. But that is “suspicious,” and reminds Ms. Lipstadt of Kevin MacDonald, who takes the opposite position of Mr. Peterson.

    The larger message to society coming from the Jewish establishment is itself totally contradictory. From the time people are young, they are taught about the centrality of Jews to history. Students are shown “Schindler’s List” in school, assigned books like Elie Wiesel’s “Night” and the “Diary of Anne Frank” by their teachers, taken on field trips to the Holocaust museums, etc. There is a Holocaust remembrance day, and a Holocaust remembrance month. Hitler, the enemy of the Jews, is made into the archetype of evil. Netanyahu inserts himself into the national consciousness by speaking before Congress and receiving 29 standing ovations. Israel is constantly touted as our “greatest ally” and a shining “beacon of light” to the world. In short, Jews have intentionally made themselves and their history central to American life, like no other minority group has.

    But, anyone who shows any critical interest in Jews is labeled as an anti-semite and castigated. The Jewish message is notice us, but don’t notice us; talk about us, but don’t talk about us. Many Jews are constantly touting their intellectual and moral superiority over gentiles. But if a gentile acknowledges that Jews are smart as a way of defending Jews, that is “suspicious.” Millions of Americans worship a Jew (the Nazarene) as their savior, but that pisses the Jews off. Christian Zionists are the biggest gentile supporters of Jews in the US, but say “Merry Christmas” to a Jew and you risk getting chewed out for wrong speak.

    It is really hard to see the logic in what appears to be completely illogical. But there may be some method to the madness. I think the contradictory messages coming from the SJWs are a way of getting whites to simply give up and shut up. Why try if everything you do will be used against you? It is akin to the way abusive parents will brainwash their children into mindless compliance. In the case of the Jews, I think there maybe another element to it. As a tribe that worships itself as God’s Chosen, they are eager to have the attention of gentile society on them. But the more attention they draw to themselves the more they risk that that attention may turn negative. So the Jews are constantly on the knife’s edge and need to constantly police any deviation from it.

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  135. Luke Lea says:
    @Lot
    This article finds Jews have higher levels of "social effectiveness" even when controlling for IQ:

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    Co-author Woodley of Menie is the guy who has the most pessimistic take on dysgenic fertility and thinks Victorians had much higher genotypical IQs.

    “This article finds Jews have higher levels of “social effectiveness” even when controlling for IQ:”

    Interesting. Guess I’m going to have to catch up on this subject (again).

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    Catching up won't be hard. Dunkel writes quite well and seems to have a hand in all the small number of articles on the topic. My initial reaction is effective personality has two especially important aspects, self discipline/future orientation and charisma. They are so different I don't see the point of trying to combine them into a single factor. You could possibly add an openness/creativity factor to these two.

    Woodley of Menie and I had a nice long discussion here on dysgenics in the comments to a Thompson article, so he is open to questions and critiques from the public.

    Short version is I think he overstates genetic intelligence decline by a large amount, but I am really someone in academia taking the issue seriously.
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  136. @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    “This just shows how awful and stupid the left is.”

    I don’t tend to agree that that’s exactly what it is. I more tend to think that there are extremes that differ from one another only in strategy (one fascist, the other Maoist) but who are identical in their nihilistic will to power … both sides are equally interested in dispensing with anything, or anyone, who might give backbone to the center which can flex to squeeze both of them out.

    In that respect both “the left” and Red Ice TV are doing their best to slander and bait Peterson. One guesses that they both figure that matters will come to a head and the end they have to face each other off and “there can only be one”, but for the moment they can unite around taking down the Peterson’s of the world.

    It’s up to all of us to make sure that doesn’t happen and we need to go about the matter as if life depends on it.

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  137. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Peterson has a large audience now and by merely mentioning and talking about Jews, even if it's in neutral or positive terms, he's pointing them out, distinguishing them, which tends to unsettle many Jews:

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/angrif03.htm

    The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
     

    I’ve often wondered whether there is an ulterior motive behind the obsession with The Holocaust: it takes the focus off the fact that so many Jews in Russia actively supported the Stalinist regime. When it is pointed out that people like Yagoda, Kaganovich etal. were Jewish, out comes the Anti-Semite card.

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    Imagine neoconservatism being so thoroughly smashed inside the United States during the 2016 election,
     
    Thoroughly smashed? Have you noticed who President Trump surrounded himself with? And what he's been doing? Jerusalem/Embassy;Iran deal; attacked Syria; gave Zionist settlers in W. Bank the green light to continue their encroachment with impunity...

    What more could the neocons have hoped for in a President?

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  139. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    OT -- the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins.....no shock here...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called "alt right" -- again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary's script writers invented -- is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever....

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn't really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he's minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section....and yet....mTHEY STILL FIND US.....

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth....

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid.....just leave us alone....say we are all wrong and full of crap.....SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    Because you might commit another Holocaust.

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  140. This is hilarious, Peterson is in fact hated by “nazis and White supremacists”.

    I hope they keep running with this dumbass shit.

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  141. @Luke Lea
    "Epigenetics is the new magic wand being prepped by the left to neutralize upcoming genetic discoveries."

    My liberal sister brought up epigenetics, which she thought just referred to the various ways the environment influences gene expression, not necessarily (or usually) inherited by the next generation. Which is what Wikipedia seems to say. But then the whole topic of methylation and heritability gets mixed in. Now I'm not sure what we are talking about anymore when the topic of epigenetics comes up. What does it mean? Anybody know?

    My liberal sister brought up epigenetics, which she thought just referred to the various ways the environment influences gene expression, not necessarily (or usually) inherited by the next generation. Which is what Wikipedia seems to say. But then the whole topic of methylation and heritability gets mixed in. Now I’m not sure what we are talking about anymore when the topic of epigenetics comes up. What does it mean? Anybody know?

    I do.

    It means that the current model of inheritance, DNA & genes, is just part of the answer and not a full explanation. Or at least some people are positing that this is so.

    In this hypothesis, using Rumsfeldian semantics, your concerns would be classified as known unknowns.

    Does that answer your question?

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    Correct. Unfortunately liberals have been abusing it a lot to treat it as if it is magic, which is very annoying. But fundamentally it has to be true - obviously if you introduce radiation to a white rat, his genetic expression will be quite different due to interference from an environmental source. And there's probably less invasive ways about that, too, but using it for muh systemic discrimination is plainly abusing the science.
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  142. On the other hand Jews such as Ezra Levant and Ben Shapiro can’t get enough of him.

    If the federal “Conservative” party in Canada has any sense, they will utilize his experience in academia to begin a plan to reform academia.

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  143. Karl says:
    @Anon
    I see this Tablet article as an example of what happens in certain areas of controversy where gatekeepers attempt to enforce a broad no-go zone around an entire topic. You're not allowed to express an opinion unless it's a pre-vetted, approved opinion or unless you in effect have received a license to talk about it after having undergone a background check. When an interloper expresses an opinion or promulgates an analysis that doesn't track the pre-vetted standard statements, no particular effort is expended in trying to figure out if the opinion is offensive. The problem, rather, is that the person dared to enter the no-go zone. Immediate warning shots have to be fired to let him know that he is at risk of character assassination and being reported to the SPLC if he doesn't stand down.

    22 Anon[372] > I see this Tablet article

    > From The Forward

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  144. @jimmyriddle
    It's interesting that simultaneous hit pieces appeared in Vox and the Graun, filing people like Jordan Peterson, Brett Weinstein, Alex Jones and Richard Spencer into one category of deplorables.

    It smells of a JournoList-style coordinated attempt to create a framing narrative.


    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/10/17338290/intellectual-dark-web-rogan-peterson-harris-times-weiss

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/may/09/the-ntellectual-dark-web-the-supposed-thinking-wing-of-the-alt-right

    One possible account is that it’s MSM facing an existential threat from alternative media and converging on desperate measures to shut the threat down.

    None of these guys are fringe – they are the mainstream that the MSM wants locked out of the conversation because their revenue streams and Twitter can’t coexist with complexity of that kind.

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  145. “he attributed that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence —an old anti-Semitic dog whistle.”

    SCREW YOU, FORWARD!

    (These are some high-level mindgames. I attribute them to Jewish intelligence also)

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  146. @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    Charles Murray made the point in The Bell Curve (using the NLSY) that above about IQ 140 several life outcomes worsen compared to IQ 120-130 – lower earnings, and of course lower fertility. Even lower baby birth weight I think.

    This is not incompatible with Termin’s finding (per Wikipedia):

    “Genetic Studies of Genius revealed that gifted and genius children were in at least as good as average health and had normal personalities. Few of them demonstrated the previously-held negative stereotypes of gifted children. He found that gifted children did not fit the existing stereotypes often associated with them: they were not weak and sickly social misfits, but in fact were generally taller, in better health, better developed physically, and better adapted socially than other children. The children included in his studies were colloquially referred to as “Termites”.[16] The gifted children thrived both socially and academically. In relationships, they were less likely to divorce.[7] Additionally, those in the gifted group were generally successful in their careers: Many received awards recognizing their achievements. Though many of the children reached exceptional heights in adulthood, not all did.”

    Termin disproved the belief that very high IQ types were dysfunctional freaks with *below average* life outcomes, he did not find that they did better than IQ 120-130 – the kind of range you tend to find most senior executives, political leaders, and other ‘masters of the universe’. Indeed even many leading academics have IQs around 130 or so, albeit depending on the field I suspect.

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  147. Luke Lea says:
    @Logan
    Exactly.

    The idea of White Privilege is based pretty much entirely on the fact of differential outcome. Whites have X percentage of greater income and wealth than blacks, therefore their status is unearned and probably gained by cheating and racial bias.

    So I went and looked up the (roughly) equivalent stats for Jews / Gentiles, which show a much greater disproportion than white / black, and posted a question (on a conservative site) about the obvious fact that if we assume White Privilege to be a thing we must also assume Jewish Privilege to be one. And also the fairly obvious fact that a great many of those who run around mostly loudly denouncing White Privilege are Jewish and therefore benefit from Jewish Privilege.

    Oh, my word! While this line of logic still seems impeccable to me, various people went absolutely berserk in response when I made the point explicitly.

    “The idea of White Privilege is based pretty much entirely on the fact of differential outcome. ”

    It’s a privilege to be smart, I guess you could say, at least in the sense that you did not do anything to deserve it. Just as it is a privilege to be born rich. And to whom much is given much is expected is not a bad mantra. The problem is that most whites are born neither smarter nor richer than average and so are not privileged.

    Most African Americans on the other hand are born less smart than the average in our society and so are in that sense under-privileged. They deserve special consideration only to the extent that others who are similarly below average, which includes tons of white people.

    In short, privilege and under-privilege are not about race. They are about the hands individuals have drawn in the lottery of life. To say they are a matter of skin color or racial appearance is . . . what? Answer: it is an evil form of racism which we all ought to condemn out of hand.

    But then, to take the other side of the argument, there is this problem: that in a multiracial society of big cities, in which most of the new people we meet everyday are perforce unknown to us either by name or reputation, each of us must bear the burden of stereotypes of the group to which we belong, which are based upon statistical realities with which we are all too familiar based on the news. That is manifestly unfair at the level of the single individual, especially if his group tends to be less well-behaved than certain others, but there is no way of getting around it. Or is there?

    Well, yes, there is a way: https://goo.gl/8cWYCW

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  148. Jordan Peterson Is A Baby Boomer Drug Addict

    The JEWISH QUESTION is a huge part of modern European intellectual history, and this baby boomer drug addict Jordan Peterson refuses to confront this fact.

    Jordan Peterson sneakily avoids discussing the JEWISH QUESTION by subtly suggesting that it’s about IQ. The JEWISH QUESTION is about the hostile anti-Christian attitudes and anti-national instincts of the Jew. Can a Jew be a patriotic Frenchman? How do national leaders deal with a hostile tribe that is antinational in its behaviour and commercial dealings?

    Jordan Peterson is a front for Jew globalizers.

    Jew globalizers are using their corporate media power to push nation-wrecking mass immigration and anti-White multiculturalism.

    Who controls the corporate media in Canada?

    Who controls the corporate media in the United States?

    Who controls the corporate media in Sweden?

    Who controls the corporate media in European Christian nations is a question of paramount importance.

    Sneaky Baby Boomer Globalizer Jordan Peterson:

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  149. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    Forward opinion editor:

    Batya Ungar-Sargon
    @bungarsargon

    As I see it, the job of an opinion section is: (1) To amplify the voices of people disenfranchised by the current power structures (2) To reflect the smartest versions of the range of legitimate positions (3) To challenge the mainstream readers’ and editorial view in good faith

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  150. Luke Lea says:
    @Lot
    I think some of these personality factors also partly explain NE Asian and Mexican underperformance relative to IQ. I am interested to see where his work creating a personality g factor goes.

    “I am interested to see where his work creating a personality g factor goes.”

    Razib Kahn half-jokingly coined the abbreviation PQ to stand for personality quotient.

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  151. (Not so) OT: Michael Bloomberg warns Rice graduates about political “epidemic of dishonesty.” It’s like brilliant satire.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-bloomberg-fears-epidemic-of-dishonesty/

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  152. Luke Lea says:
    @Luke Lea
    Ari Feldman? I would certainly like to know more about him.

    On the plus side, there was a lot of good honest pushback among the commenters, including a lot of regular Forward readers.

    Who is Ari Feldman? http://www.aefeldman.us/

    Maybe we should cut him some slack for age?

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  153. Lot says:
    @Luke Lea
    "This article finds Jews have higher levels of “social effectiveness” even when controlling for IQ:"

    Interesting. Guess I'm going to have to catch up on this subject (again).

    Catching up won’t be hard. Dunkel writes quite well and seems to have a hand in all the small number of articles on the topic. My initial reaction is effective personality has two especially important aspects, self discipline/future orientation and charisma. They are so different I don’t see the point of trying to combine them into a single factor. You could possibly add an openness/creativity factor to these two.

    Woodley of Menie and I had a nice long discussion here on dysgenics in the comments to a Thompson article, so he is open to questions and critiques from the public.

    Short version is I think he overstates genetic intelligence decline by a large amount, but I am really someone in academia taking the issue seriously.

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  154. @Lot
    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.

    Household wealth is distributed non-normally, and the same for household and personal income. For social traits, normality works well in the -2.5 standard deviation to +2.5 standard deviation range around the mean, but not outside that range (the tails).

    As you say, the normal distribution of IQ test scores is just about test calibration + central limit theorem effects with a large number of test items. So the normality of IQ scores seems more a manufactured property than an empirical characteristic of the trait. Anyway this is all too technical so maybe let’s leave it.

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    As you say, the normal distribution of IQ test scores is just about test calibration + central limit theorem effects with a large number of test items. So the normality of IQ scores seems more a manufactured property than an empirical characteristic of the trait.
     
    I do not think central limit theorem has anything to do with it. But you are right that it is a manufactured property. However the manufacturers were not fully in control of the process so they could not produce exactly what they intended to. Thus what is the actual distribution must be determent empirically using a very large sample. Furthermore it is likely that different IQ tests that were homogenized with each other with respect to mean and SD may have different distributions. So for instance IQ according to the test-A may be close to Gaussian while IQ according to the test-B may have thin or fat tails and/or be asymmetric. For this reasons any conclusions obtained from assumptions about the shope of the distribution are only as good as the assumptions. If you want to explain using IQ Jewish overrepresentation you must assume 'fat tails' as La Griffe du Lion has been doing but if you want to point to Jewish networking it suffices to assume Gaussian distribution even if you assume the mean Jewish IQ to be 115 as Peterson did which seems to be too high. There are publications pointing to 110 or lower or to that ∆IQ between Jews and Whites is closer to 6 IQ points.
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  155. @Lot
    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    That is true for the underlying parent population, but not necessarily true for subpops. In order to engage in tail inference for subpops, estimates of the % of population of the subpop above, say, the 2nd or 3rd standard deviation of the parent distribution are needed. If the test sample of the subpop is representative with respect to IQ, the best estimate of 3rd SD is likely the ratio of subpop test takers with IQ scores > 145 to the subpop sample size. The mean of the subpop doesn’t help much unless you also know the distribution of subpop IQ relative to parent pop IQ and the standard deviation or other relevant spread parameter(s).

    I’m not a statistician and may be off here in the details, but the general idea is that tail inference requires knowledge of the underlying distribution, as well as the mean and other relevant parameters. Why should the derived IQ of a subpopulation such as Jews or Anglicans be assumed to be normally distributed with respect to the distribution of IQ in the scaled scores of the parent sample, and why should the subpop SD be assumed to equal 15?

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    The SD of Ashkenazi IQ seems in the articles I have seen is usually around 15.

    Homogeneous groups you'd think would be a bit lower, but AJs have those unusual large-effect genes, which increases variation.
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  156. Maciano says:

    Ashkenazi Jewish success is caused by high IQ & ethnic networking, but you need both for it to work.

    The Torah teaches Jews a culture to fear & loathe gentiles, which prevents assimilation and increases antisemitism wherever they go. Gentiles slowly learn Jews dislike their ways & customs no matter what they do, or don’t do

    If one can both criticise Jews for their religious misanthropy and praise them for their contributions, Jews can thrive and prosper. Otherwise, Jews will slowly but surely become more impopular.

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  157. @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/an-eminent-person.html#comment-form

    Because Peterson worked with John Podesto on a UN commission which argued for open borders and the unlimited right to open movement.

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  158. Professor Kevin MacDonald Jousts With Jew Stooge Jordan Peterson:

    …my confidence in Peterson’s trustworthiness was shaken by his shoddy treatment of the Jewish Question, including name-calling directed at my own work. This is part of his broader offensive against identitarians, people who defend their group interests. For Peterson there are only individual interests (a bit strange for someone who approves of evolutionary biology, a subdiscipline that encompasses kin selection theory and, for humans, cultural group selection).

    For Peterson to admit there is a Jewish Question would be to concede the reality of group interests—not only families but religions, ethnic groups, and nations.

    MacDonald says Jordan Peterson sneakily avoids the JEW QUESTION because honestly talking about that would necessitate talking about group interests, and, ultimately, the group interests of the European Christian people.

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  159. @Dave Pinsen
    I think there's a lot of resentment of him too.

    Peterson has decades of experience giving engaging classroom lectures and knows how to speak. And he leveraged that to become a self-made YouTube phenomenon, and then translated that into a best-selling book, sold-out personal appearances, and one of the top Patreon accounts.

    What's more, Peterson did all of this by weaving a patch for the hole elites tore out of the moral fabric of society.

    Reasonable people can nit-pick the patch he came up with, question his erudition, and talk about how he's strayed out of his lane, etc., but I think resentment explains a big part of the reaction. What Peterson is attempting -- moral/psychological therapy on a mass scale, as opposed to watered down self-help bromides -- is a rare thing to pull off. Maybe the last person who did was Viktor Frankl.

    Agree.

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  160. This old, very Jewish, and very pro-Israel NY Jew hates the leftist Forward. Leftist Jews have no ammunition against people like Peterson so they attempt to smear him by innuendo and guilt by association. While it’s sadly true that many American Jews are useful idiots for the left, about 1/3 of us are not leftists. As the non-Orthodox Jewish population rapidly dwindles due to assimilation, intermarriage and below replacement levels birth rates, the proportion of American Jews who are Orthodox is increasing due to a high birth rate, and consequently a higher proportion of US Jews will be politically conservative. However, the rapidly diminshing US white population likely means game over for the US and Europe.

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  161. guest says:

    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot. If he’s not consciously part of a deception, in the very least he’s only in the spotlight because powerful forces think he’s useful. He’ll disappear if they decide otherwise.

    Peterson has an organic following, but that’s not so much political or even intellectual as it is a bunch of lost souls who need something a bit more substantial than popular culture can offer.

    The use of figures like Peterson to the Cathedral is that he can act as a net to catch falling libs. Ones sick of the PC nuthouse, who could possibly fall into the real right, and that can’t be allowed. He also serves as gatekeeper to block Evul Natsees from the mainstream.

    The same ploy as Bill Buckley and the neocons, basically, except Peterson is by his own admission center-left. The only reason he’s mistaken by anyone for being on the right is that the right has responded favorably to him embarrassing a dumb female journalist on the Gender Pay Gap issue and stood up to Pronoun Madness. They don’t know anything more about him.

    But come on. He’s a mentally ill Canadian professor obsessed with existentialism with giant paintings of communist heroes like Lenin hanging on the wall. He also preaches Holocaustianity non-stop, and warns his white students and acolytes that but for the Grace of God they could be S.S. officers torturing people to death for the heck of it.

    Ah, but in Leftland if you give aid and comfort to the enemy, you are “objectively” on their side. So it wouldn’t matter of you’ve spent your entire life as a carrying your PC card in good standing, dues paid in full. The second you criticize PC enough for the right to notice, you’re the enemy.

    That, or the left is merely pretending to up Peterson’s street cred with Natsees. After all, this laughably phony Intellectual Dark Web nonsense must make enemies to the left in order for anyone to be tricked by it.

    But my hunch is the Forward! stuff is genuine. Peterson really stepped in it over the Jewish Question, which admittedly is a minefield for the most experienced politicos. Peterson ain’t that. He’s just a depressed professorial Nietzsche fanboy.

    Cardinal rule of politics is don’t mention the Jew. If you should happen to, either be Jewish or have your PC credentials in perfect order. Peterson’s credentials had been suspended and were under review for possible thoughtcrime against women and trannies.

    With that status, one simply cannot talk about Jews. Not even in order to call evul natsees kooky konspiracy theorists. And the way Peterson defended Jewish overrepresentation was incorrect. You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don’t make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Insult to injury, Peterson destroyed his reputation on the right in the same instance. Not for being wrong on the Jewish Question persay, but for being dishonest and obviously lacking integrated. Though he was already on thin ice for deplatforming Faith Goldy.

    He has fallen between the proverbial stools.

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    You took the words right out of my mouth.
    , @Thirdeye

    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot.
     
    Oh, the horror that there should be competition for the "real right" among opposition to PC identitarian left-liberals!
    , @Anonymous
    You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don’t make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Why not?
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  162. guest says:

    By the way, does it make anyone else sick to watch a fraud like the Intellectual Dark Web unfold in real-time?

    I didn’t know the dark forces manipulating our thoughts were so incompetent.

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  163. Whiskey says: • Website

    Jews (Ashkenazi only) ARE smarter than every other population group, ON AVERAGE.

    And I like and admire dudes like Bibi Netanyahu who combine intelligence and bravery in combat. His older brother led the Entebbe raid and died heroically there. Bibi himself was a paratrooper when Obama was a choom master and effete metrosexual at best. Other dudes like Ehud Barak were a hard core Mossad assassin after those who slaughtered the Israeli athletes in Munich in 1976. What’s not to like and admire? Manliness AND intelligence, a rare combination.

    No one respects a coward, all men admire bravery.

    Therefore the RIGHT should wholeheartedly embrace these leaders AS A MODEL and argue that Jews like say, Rob Reiner ought to man up and become like Bibi Netanyahu and not a cowardly nebbish like Woody Allen.

    This explains the admiration of the deplorables for Israelis — THEY FIGHT. They don’t just roll over and show their bellies like most Western leaders. This drives the outright anti-Semites insane, who argue for a groveling approach to everyone BUT Jews.

    Its frankly insane and the primary reason the Alt-Right has gone nowhere, it is at heart effeminate and nancying instead of something that inspires admiration. There’s a hell of a lot more traction in criticizing the Left, Leftist Jews, various other hard-left PC Culti Marxists on the basis that they are unmanly and lack the courage of various Israeli leaders and are soft appeasers than acting like Kenneth Mars in Springtime for Hitler. [Note: Mel Brooks was a mine detector engineer in WWII, displaying courage.]

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  164. @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    VoxDay detests Peterson because P. is a

    post-modernist bunko-artist,

    mewling shabbatz goy (tho insufficiently so to satisfy the Jews),

    and a globalist apparatchik involved with various anti-White UN rackets:

    @ http://voxday.blogspot.com

    and scroll down to “An eminent person”

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  165. guest says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    Those are not the only two theories, unless you are severely abusing the idea of a “Jewish Conspiracy” driving everything.

    For instance, some people have it simply that Jews are in historically favorable conditions–with powerful emotional blackmail material and weak host cultures–and they possess strong in-group preferences and are more determined to look out for #1.

    Basically, nepotism + Holocaust.

    They’ve also excelled in strategically useful fields, if you were to plan on having wildly outsized influence on a culture. But that didn’t have to be the result of conspiracy.

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  166. Eric Lander toasted James Watson, it’s causing quite a tweet storm:

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    Good illustration of the attraction of PC as a way to try to take down your betters. Vox Day, this is what a really smart guy's life looks like:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Lander
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Posted 29 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/eric_lander/status/996057327164936194

    Reviewing his twitter feed, I'm surprised he would even be seen on the same stage as Watson.

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  167. Travis says:
    @Logan
    A few years back "the knockout game" was a thing. It was, or at least was portrayed, as a game whereby young blacks would sucker-punch whites or Asians, often female or elderly, on the street, to great hilarity.

    It was for the most part covered little in the MSM, except for a brief period when some NYC whites who happened to be Jewish got knocked out. Then for a little while it was discussed as a dangerous manifestation of anti-Semitism.

    Apparently the multiple whites and Asians attacked in previous months were of zero interest to the MSM. Only if Jews were attached did they care. Despite the fairly obvious fact that no evidence was provided in the stories that Jews in question were attacked for being Jews, since, after all, how would the attackers have known? Perhaps they were just playing the game with whites and the victim turned out to be Jewish, which in NYC is statistically not all that unlikely.

    true, if you randomly selected whites people on the streets of Manhattan 50% will be Jewish. Blacks playing the Knockout-game in New york City are more likely to punch a Jew than a Christian.

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  168. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?

    Yeah, but you’re not going to, because it’s not entirely true.

    Sure, Jewish people are over-represented in science and mathematics and things like that because of their high IQ. I have noticed that very few people really have a problem with Jewish over-representatuon in the sciences.

    The problem people have is with the “influencers” in our societies. The people who run the media and publish the op-eds. The IQ explanation simply doesn’t work here, because those people just aren’t very smart. And you know they’re not smart. You wouldn’t be here, leaving comments in unz.com if you thought the Jews that are involved in our public discourse to such a huge extent were doing a good job.

    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?

    So, no. Intelligence may explain some, but that still doesn’t mean there’s not genuinely ethnic networking too.

    That’s the problem Peterson won’t touch.

    And, still, there’s the problem that people like Peterson promote the idea that Jews are more successful than goyim because of their higher IQs, but still won’t admit that whites are more successful than blacks because of our higher IQs. It’s like, no matter what happens, whites have to get it from both sides.

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    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?
     
    It may have been a disaster for the American nation. But it was good for the Jews.
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  169. Peterson is a pathetic Boomer whiner.

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  170. Lot says:

    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year’s Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible. Too bad to link to. And the singer is a feministfatty. Let’s instead pretend pop music is still good, here is Eurovision winner Vicky Leandros, only 18 in the video. She actually won with a different song 5 years later, and this was only in 4th place.

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    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year’s Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible.

    She must've won because of her high IQ.

    , @Stan Adams
    ABBA won Eurovision with "Waterloo" back in 1974.

    "Waterloo" isn't even one of their ten best, IMO.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    The popular vote doesn't count as much as you think, and many of the insider votes that determine the winner are obviously bought. This year's winning song features chicken noises (yes, really) and pseudo-swearing trash lyrics ("motha-boka beat"). An element of camp at Eurovision is a given, but the performance was a chicken dance, pink-haired pile of ugly. It's a shame because it was a fairly strong year for songs and performers, but corruption wins again.
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  171. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year's Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible. Too bad to link to. And the singer is a feministfatty. Let's instead pretend pop music is still good, here is Eurovision winner Vicky Leandros, only 18 in the video. She actually won with a different song 5 years later, and this was only in 4th place.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY

    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year’s Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible.

    She must’ve won because of her high IQ.

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  172. “Is Jordan Peterson Enabling Jew Hatred?”

    Uh … of course!

    What–that is good or fun or decent or true–does not?

    Like celebrating Christmas — anti-semitic.
    Think Christianity is good — anti-semitic.
    Own some guns — anti-semitic.
    Drive a pickup — anti-semitic.
    Like the country side, like rural America — anti-semitic.
    Against Wall Street running America — anti-semitic.
    Think men are more interested in things/idea, women in people/relationships — anti-semitic.
    Enjoy traditional sex roles — anti-semitic.
    Say “sex” instead of “gender” — anti-semitic.
    Think tranies are mental ill — anti-semitic.
    Believe in federalism — anti-semitic.
    Hostile to courts deciding political issues — anti-semitic.
    Think elected leaders ought to govern — anti-semitic.
    Believe that genes matter — anti-semitic.
    Think nature is more important than nurture for outcomes in contemporary US — anti-semitic.
    Don’t believe races, ethnicities have identical mental traits — anti-semitic.
    Think Jews are smarter on average — anti-semitic.
    Don’t think Jews have 115 IQ — anti-semitic.
    Belong to a country club — anti-semitic (unless a Jewish country club).
    Don’t think “diversity is our strength” — anti-semitic.
    Don’t think “Western Civilization” is a “cancer”, but rather pretty awesome — anti-semitic.
    Don’t give a shit about “white privilege” — anti-semitic.
    Don’t like Muslims coming into the US (or Europe) — anti-semitic.
    Don’t hate Muslims in the middle east — anti-semitic.
    Don’t think we are a “nation of immigrants” — anti-semitc.
    Don’t want open borders — anti-semitic.
    Want a world of real nations of particular peoples ruling themselves — anti-semitic.

    The amazing thing here if Jews didn’t exist i’d still have these same attitudes– … yet be “anti-semitic”.

    You can be just strolling down the street, no ill will toward anyone, taking in the world as common sensically as you can and wham! the anti-semitic virus strikes. It’s like magic.

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    Yet I've never seen a clear, objective and repeatable definition of "anti-Semitic" from a Jew. As far as I can tell "anti-Semitic" = "That word/statement/person is not good for the Jews." The point of the word is to smear the object and shut down discussion. Very Alinsky-like.

    There are few other words with such a malleable definition depending on the subjective feelings of the speaker.

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  173. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    willingness to answer questions about “Jewish success” and his interest in IQ literature is “suspicious” said Deborah Lipstadt

    The commissars never sleep.

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  174. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    “You can assume that they [Jews] are intelligent and have a culture of learning, or you can think that there’s some kind of cabal,” Peterson told the Forward. “So if I’m gonna hit the hornets nest, I might as well hit it on the side that takes the wind out of the sails of far-righters and their idiot anti-Semitism.”

     

    Is is bad to notice that there can be intelligent people having a culture of learning implementing a cabal (together with the goyim, I might add).

    “It’s not [Holocaust] denial, but when people start asking questions like that, I begin to get leery,” Lipstadt said.

     

    Dat leather coat!

    “You can assume that they [Jews] are intelligent and have a culture of learning, or you can think that there’s some kind of cabal,” Peterson told the Forward.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/meet-the-new-journolist-smaller-than-the-old-journolist/60159/

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  175. @Lot
    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year's Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible. Too bad to link to. And the singer is a feministfatty. Let's instead pretend pop music is still good, here is Eurovision winner Vicky Leandros, only 18 in the video. She actually won with a different song 5 years later, and this was only in 4th place.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY

    ABBA won Eurovision with “Waterloo” back in 1974.

    “Waterloo” isn’t even one of their ten best, IMO.

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    ABBA's most played song: https://youtu.be/0rA_ug5e7-A

    Funny story: originally, it was about a love lost. Then, because the spineless Swedes are such virtue-signalers until they are literally killed-off, I suppose; they changed the English words to: Mexicans fighting the evil white Texans. In 1976 I adored the song; not realizing it was the first sign of Swedish degeneracy I missed.

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  176. Allen says:
    @jim jones
    Why has Vox Day started to attack Peterson? Is it because he has rational, rather than supernatural, explanations for human behaviour?

    Voxday’s recent crusade against Peterson is really strange to me. I get that they disagree on the Jewish Question, and Peterson certainly isn’t going to go alt-right on issues of race.

    But, Peterson is a level-headed intellectual proud of western art, Christian civilization, traditional values/gender roles/etc and who has actual mainstream appeal. He’s certainly not an enemy when compared to the SJW crowd and normies who like him could very easily start to find the alt-right appealing. I used to like Vox, but his actions in the past 6 months have been kinda weird, first attacking Gab now Peterson.

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  177. utu says:
    @Logan
    I read this article at The Forward, then all the comments, which numbered 62 at the time.

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

    Not one made an attempt to defend the thesis of the article or agree that Peterson might really be anti-Semitic.

    Every single one of them defended Peterson and denounced the author and magazine. Those posting comments are presumably mostly Jewish.

    The point is that the article’s purpose is to legitimize Peterson. This Peterson controversy is false and likely manufactured. Lipstadt, who is not the smartest Jewess, objects to talking too much about Jewish success on the usual grounds but no Jew will object to the meme that Jews have superior intelligence which is not meant for Jews, who always believed they were smarter than anybody (yiddishe kopf), but for gentiles. But what is most important here is that Peterson argues (incorrectly) that intelligence advantage is sufficient to explain Jewish success (overrepresentation) and thus he absolves Jews form accusation of ethnic networking. I dare not to think what Jewish overrepresentation would be if on the top of their superior IQ they also deployed ethnic nepotism. Fortunately their (also superior) moral standards prevent them from doing so.

    Peterson is god sent for Jews. I heard Peterson monetization form his YT video is already above $50k per months.

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    Peterson argues (incorrectly) that intelligence advantage is sufficient to explain Jewish success.....
     
    That's of a piece with his overall thesis that hierarchies are in essence virtue hierarchies, with intelligence being foremost. In my view that's overly simplistic. The correlations between IQ and various metrics for life success are solid at the bottom end, then dissipate somewhere around 120. A somewhat-above-average intellect coupled with good system manipulation skills, such as salesmanship or a sense of bureaucratic gamesmanship, can rise more easily than someone who perhaps is more intelligent and adds more value but is less adept at system manipulation. There is no justification for saying that the skillsets that rise to the top are necessarily pro-social.
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  178. On most issues Peterson is basically just a standard right-wing liberal. He doesn’t oppose non-white immigration, he doesn’t like nationalism and he avoids talking about race differences. But he has pushed the out boat out in the following areas:

    -he’s argues that intelligence, and behavioural differences between the sexes, are strongly influenced by biology
    -he’s attacked the liberal-left LGBT movement (with its post modern ideas about gender fluidity) with the aim of isolating far-left LGBTs and gaining support from right-liberal LGBTs

    This is why he is being aggressively attacked by the liberal left. They believe he is openly the door to race realism and ethno-nationalism by downplaying environmental explanations for differences in human behaviour and life outcomes. It’s a similar story with leftist attacks on Charles Murray. They know he’s a right-wing liberal who opposes ethno-nationalism, but his IQ research undermines left-wing blank-slate ideology. Hence, progressive Jews are going to accuse him of encouraging anti-semitism and fascism.

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  179. Allen says:
    @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    Yeah, Vox has done good work with Castalia House and rabid puppies, but he’s really full of himself and always bragging about how high his IQ is. I still find it weird that he goes after Peterson and Spencer with vitriol and praises people like Milo and Cernovich. If you’re cool with the later, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t see at least some good in the work of the former. Of course if you want absolute Christian/alt-right/racial doctrinal purity, I could understand attacking all of them, but that’s not what Vox is doing.

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    Vox is right on many key issues but, like a lot of very bright people, he tends to convince himself that his emotional reactions and inconsistencies are actually based on sound reasoning and not inconsistent. His flaws include fanning the flames of inter-tribal warfare as you noted. Vox, like many others on the right, seems to be on a quest for ideological purity rather than building bridges between the various factions of the right. I find his anti boomer crusade particularly destructive because boomers were the main voting block behind Trump and should be recruited rather demonized by the alt right.

    I guess underlying much of his irrationality are the twin desires to be a star and the smartest guy in the virtual room.
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  180. Whenever any goy starts talking about Jews, Jews seem terrified 1.) of losing power to set parameters of any discussion and 2.) that we peasants may someday realize 2 plus 2 really does equal 4.

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  181. Allen says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    I introduced my 90 year old Bernie loving, Yiddishe mama to JP last year. She loves him and has listened to hours of his lectures and nagged me to get his book. When I told her that the left hate him she couldn't believe she told me "He is just makes so much sense".
    Everyone knows Jews are over represented. There are two theories. The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
    This just shows how awful and stupid the left is. What is the appropriate place for young men in society? Their answer is that young men should STFU and step aside. Obviously that only builds resentment on young men whose backgrounds are middle or working class. JP says clean your room (i,e. get you sh-t together) and find the hardest worthwhile thing to do and then try to do it. I guess for many on the left it would be better if young men followed Richard Spencer and became Nazis instead because that would justify violent repression against them.

    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson’s crime, it really doesn’t matter how he explains it.

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    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson’s crime, it really doesn’t matter how he explains it.
     
    Jewish power requires secrecy, so it's no surprise that Jews instinctively demand it (i.e., developed a culture that says Jew-noticing is Jew-hating). If you ask people if they're okay with being dominated by a hostile elite, a Hell of a lot of them are going to say no.

    If everything's out in the open, you're already talking about a big hit to Jewish power before the conversation even starts.

    Without institutional capture of Whites via this weird form of consent via ignorance, Jews would be running something roughly the size of Vermont.
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  182. @Neoconned
    OT -- the Paris knifer is of Chechen origins.....no shock here...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-44098615

    What I find fascinating about Peterson and the so called "alt right" -- again not even a real thing but a thing Hillary's script writers invented -- is that people like Steve and this guy and others just have their little blog sites or YouTube channels or whatever....

    Like Steve is just sitting here typing up his think pieces and he doesn't really promote or advertise his blog or anything and he's minding his own business and there are people here hiding in our cubby holes reading our shit and posting in this comment section....and yet....mTHEY STILL FIND US.....

    The SJW morality cops come into our Hangout club and try to bust us up and harass us and so forth....

    What ever happened to just ignoring us? Is it too painful for them to ignore us? And God forbid.....just leave us alone....say we are all wrong and full of crap.....SO WHAT

    WHY CANT WE BE WRONG AND LEFT ALONE????

    Perhaps the SJWs can’t ignore sites like this because they believe as I do: We’re not wrong.

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  183. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Due to the norming being done with samples in the N=1,000 to 10,000 range, the N for >3SD is too small to be meaningful. This results in fat tails still showing up in large samples. Because fat tails are real and normality is only an approximation of the true distribution.

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    Could you cite any publication that dealt with distribution of IQ scores and how this distribution adhered to Gaussian? What was the magnitude of departures for Gaussian? And more importantly was study like this done for Jewish samples separately that necessarily would be much smaller? One needs very large samples to do pdf distribution estimates.

    Furthermore there are different IQ tests out there that were mutually homogenized by simply making their means and standard deviations agree but this does not imply that their distributions are the same. This means that the same population tested with the test-A for IQ may have normal distribution of IQ but according to test-B for IQ it is not a normal distribution of IQ even though both tests A and B yield the same mean and SD.

    In principle it is possible to design a scoring method for a given test to make the final score having normal distribution but for this a very large samples would be needed. I doubt that this was done in early stages of IQ testing development. Probably some researchers thought of it but I doubt that they ever got a satisfactory resolution of the issue.

    We are in the situation that we assume that distribution is normal and accept consequences of these assumption when "we like results" but when "we do not like the results" we invoke non-Guasiisn distribution. This is not a part of scientific method.
    , @Lot
    Even if that is true of particular tests, others go well past 3SD, and I am not talking about those silly online tests cooked up by the mega giga superduper society. And likewise when high IQ researchers talk about 160 and 170, they are talking about rarity under a normal distribution (for instance, the number if 12 year olds who could score 1500+ on the SAT). So talking about fat IQ tails is fighting a well established linguistic convention in IQ literature. I can't think of any good reason to do this.

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.
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  184. Hunsdon says:
    @Anon
    It's savaged in its own comments. An example from a Jay Rosen:

    I am a Jew. I volunteered during the Yom Kippur War. No one defends the Jews more than I do. This article is idiotic and contemptible. It make me lose respect for the Forward and have no respect for Feldman. I have listened to hundreds of hours of Jordan Peterson and never found anything, either directly or indirectly, that was in any way antisemitic. This is a stupid and malicious article. It should be retracted, taken down and The Forward should make a formal first page retraction for its slanderous libel. No one could be a stronger enemy of fascism and evil than Peterson, or be a more effective critic. Shame on you.
     

    Good for Jay Rosen.

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  186. Thirdeye says:
    @Lagertha
    Jordan is so hot with young white people...so he must be crushed? Jordan knows the bullshit, but he is not a Christian...but, he is really focused on white young guys...so, of course, the evil ones, want him dead.

    Peterson reported that the most beneficial performance results of his “life authoring” program were among nonwhite males. It seems to be a program focused on the traits that enhance the social functionality of males, which are typically less developed at the lower end of the economic spectrum (lacking good male role models and such).

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  187. @Lot
    I was pleased to see average Europeans still like Israel enough to vote one the winner of this year's Eurovision Song Contest, which gets Super Bowl ratings over there.

    Then I listened to the song, and it was horrible. Too bad to link to. And the singer is a feministfatty. Let's instead pretend pop music is still good, here is Eurovision winner Vicky Leandros, only 18 in the video. She actually won with a different song 5 years later, and this was only in 4th place.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY

    The popular vote doesn’t count as much as you think, and many of the insider votes that determine the winner are obviously bought. This year’s winning song features chicken noises (yes, really) and pseudo-swearing trash lyrics (“motha-boka beat”). An element of camp at Eurovision is a given, but the performance was a chicken dance, pink-haired pile of ugly. It’s a shame because it was a fairly strong year for songs and performers, but corruption wins again.

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    I used to know a man who had composed a hit song in the 1940s about a picnic with lines like "Did you bring the chicken, chicken, chicken?" It has not gone down in history as an American standard, but he made some money off it at the time.
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  188. @AnotherGuessModel
    The popular vote doesn't count as much as you think, and many of the insider votes that determine the winner are obviously bought. This year's winning song features chicken noises (yes, really) and pseudo-swearing trash lyrics ("motha-boka beat"). An element of camp at Eurovision is a given, but the performance was a chicken dance, pink-haired pile of ugly. It's a shame because it was a fairly strong year for songs and performers, but corruption wins again.

    I used to know a man who had composed a hit song in the 1940s about a picnic with lines like “Did you bring the chicken, chicken, chicken?” It has not gone down in history as an American standard, but he made some money off it at the time.

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    In my French class we listened to Les Cornichons, a 60s novelty hit whose lyrics were entirely about what to bring on a picnic. "The chicken, the mayo, the mustard, the beer, and of course don't forget the baby pickles!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfMDRJCqxc8
    , @anon
    Sort of interesting you would mention this on a thread where so many people are talking about Vox Day, since his biggest brush with fame was writing a song that ended up on the soundtrack of the Mortal Kombat movie.
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  189. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.
     
    Due to the norming being done with samples in the N=1,000 to 10,000 range, the N for >3SD is too small to be meaningful. This results in fat tails still showing up in large samples. Because fat tails are real and normality is only an approximation of the true distribution.

    Could you cite any publication that dealt with distribution of IQ scores and how this distribution adhered to Gaussian? What was the magnitude of departures for Gaussian? And more importantly was study like this done for Jewish samples separately that necessarily would be much smaller? One needs very large samples to do pdf distribution estimates.

    Furthermore there are different IQ tests out there that were mutually homogenized by simply making their means and standard deviations agree but this does not imply that their distributions are the same. This means that the same population tested with the test-A for IQ may have normal distribution of IQ but according to test-B for IQ it is not a normal distribution of IQ even though both tests A and B yield the same mean and SD.

    In principle it is possible to design a scoring method for a given test to make the final score having normal distribution but for this a very large samples would be needed. I doubt that this was done in early stages of IQ testing development. Probably some researchers thought of it but I doubt that they ever got a satisfactory resolution of the issue.

    We are in the situation that we assume that distribution is normal and accept consequences of these assumption when “we like results” but when “we do not like the results” we invoke non-Guasiisn distribution. This is not a part of scientific method.

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    We are in the situation that we assume that distribution is normal and accept consequences of these assumption when “we like results” but when “we do not like the results” we invoke non-Guasiisn distribution. This is not a part of scientific method.
     
    No. But it is a legitimate methodology for those not interested in what is true.
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  190. @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    “Dysfunctional” might be a little harsh. But it is true that Day has described superior intelligence as a kind of handicap.

    Today, he posted this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/interview-with-jesse-peterson.html

    Jesse: What is a high IQ?

    Vox: Well, you know, IQ is best understood in terms of its standard deviation, so 100 IQ is normal, the Mensa level IQ is the top two percent of the population, so one in 50, that’s about 132, you know. I’m in the 3 to 4 standard deviation range, so I’m probably around the one in a thousand, one in 1500 level. There are plenty of people like me, but not a whole lot.

    Jesse: Do you feel smart? I mean, how do you know that you’re that smart?

    Vox: I guess the easiest way for me to explain it is to put it in terms like this; I’m also slightly colorblind. There are some differentiations between orange and green that I literally cannot see. You can point it out to me, you can trace it, you can draw it, and I cannot see it, no matter what. Being highly intelligent tends to be like the other side of that, you know, you see things, and you think they’re obvious, and it’s very, very surprising to you that other people can’t see them. So, I would say that in terms of your day-to-day relationships with other people, it’s often just having to understand that other people can’t always see what you see, or they can’t always reach conclusions as quickly as you can.

    To a certain segment of the audience, such talk comes across as petty, gratuitous bragging. “I’m a lot smarter than you are; ergo, I’m right and you’re wrong, even if you’re too much of an imbecile to grasp that simple fact.”

    The phrasing also seems unnecessarily pretentious, even passive-aggressive. I would just say, “The world is full of drooling morons who are too dull to understand the correctness of my arguments. It’s very frustrating to spend my life attempting to converse with dimwitted dummies who don’t agree with everything I say.” Why mince words?

    (That being said, I know what it’s like to be on a totally different wavelength from everyone else in a crowded room. It’s not fun.)

    It’s hard to imagine Steve giving an interview where he boasts about his superior IQ and denigrates the intelligence of his day-to-day associates. He seems to operate under the assumption that his level of discourse is sufficient proof of his intellectual worth. I tend to agree with his apparent belief that shameless self-congratulation is best kept to a minimum.

    That being said, I don’t have any skin in the Peterson game. The fact that Day is systematically dismantling him doesn’t bother me. In fact, I can think of quite a few bestselling authors who deserve to be torn to shreds.

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    I agree with all of this.

    "It’s hard to imagine Steve giving an interview where he boasts about his superior IQ"

    Sure, because if you're really intelligent you would have noticed that people who loudly proclaim their high IQ are not taken seriously and are not worth reading, and you don't want to be thought of that way. The way to make people think you are smart is intellectual achievement, not bragging about a number. Also, anyone can create an "IQ test" and many people do. If you must brag about a number, stick to college and postgraduate admissions tests. My suspicion is people who drop IQ numbers like VD are reporting the result of some dubious test.
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  191. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.
     
    Due to the norming being done with samples in the N=1,000 to 10,000 range, the N for >3SD is too small to be meaningful. This results in fat tails still showing up in large samples. Because fat tails are real and normality is only an approximation of the true distribution.

    Even if that is true of particular tests, others go well past 3SD, and I am not talking about those silly online tests cooked up by the mega giga superduper society. And likewise when high IQ researchers talk about 160 and 170, they are talking about rarity under a normal distribution (for instance, the number if 12 year olds who could score 1500+ on the SAT). So talking about fat IQ tails is fighting a well established linguistic convention in IQ literature. I can’t think of any good reason to do this.

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.

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    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.
     
    From Jensen's classic 1969 article:
    "I indicated previously that the distribution of intelligence is really not quite "normal," but show certain systematic departures from "normality." And the figure that illustrates it: https://www.samtiden.com/sites/all/themes/drupal7/images/jensen02.jpg
    , @Steve Sailer
    The old SAT Verbal test was a really good test of verbal IQ with an extremely high ceiling with only a few dozen people per year scoring 800 on it.
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  192. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.

    Intelligence itself may not be perfectly normal, but it certainly is close, and a ton of human and animal traits follow normal distributions.

    I dunno. There’s almost no one with an IQ below, say, 50. That’s literally too stupid to live (as a human). But there are plenty of people with IQs above 150. If it were symmetric then there should be equal numbers, but IQ is definitely skew positive.

    Peter’s point about taking conclusions based on calculations at the tails with a grain of salt still stands.

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    I recall at least one of Richard Lynn's Nation/Race/IQ books put the San population group median IQ at 54. It was the lowest IQ in the book. The San seem to do pretty well in their environment.
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  193. Berty says:
    @guest
    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot. If he's not consciously part of a deception, in the very least he's only in the spotlight because powerful forces think he's useful. He'll disappear if they decide otherwise.

    Peterson has an organic following, but that's not so much political or even intellectual as it is a bunch of lost souls who need something a bit more substantial than popular culture can offer.

    The use of figures like Peterson to the Cathedral is that he can act as a net to catch falling libs. Ones sick of the PC nuthouse, who could possibly fall into the real right, and that can't be allowed. He also serves as gatekeeper to block Evul Natsees from the mainstream.

    The same ploy as Bill Buckley and the neocons, basically, except Peterson is by his own admission center-left. The only reason he's mistaken by anyone for being on the right is that the right has responded favorably to him embarrassing a dumb female journalist on the Gender Pay Gap issue and stood up to Pronoun Madness. They don't know anything more about him.

    But come on. He's a mentally ill Canadian professor obsessed with existentialism with giant paintings of communist heroes like Lenin hanging on the wall. He also preaches Holocaustianity non-stop, and warns his white students and acolytes that but for the Grace of God they could be S.S. officers torturing people to death for the heck of it.

    Ah, but in Leftland if you give aid and comfort to the enemy, you are "objectively" on their side. So it wouldn't matter of you've spent your entire life as a carrying your PC card in good standing, dues paid in full. The second you criticize PC enough for the right to notice, you're the enemy.

    That, or the left is merely pretending to up Peterson's street cred with Natsees. After all, this laughably phony Intellectual Dark Web nonsense must make enemies to the left in order for anyone to be tricked by it.

    But my hunch is the Forward! stuff is genuine. Peterson really stepped in it over the Jewish Question, which admittedly is a minefield for the most experienced politicos. Peterson ain't that. He's just a depressed professorial Nietzsche fanboy.

    Cardinal rule of politics is don't mention the Jew. If you should happen to, either be Jewish or have your PC credentials in perfect order. Peterson's credentials had been suspended and were under review for possible thoughtcrime against women and trannies.

    With that status, one simply cannot talk about Jews. Not even in order to call evul natsees kooky konspiracy theorists. And the way Peterson defended Jewish overrepresentation was incorrect. You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don't make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Insult to injury, Peterson destroyed his reputation on the right in the same instance. Not for being wrong on the Jewish Question persay, but for being dishonest and obviously lacking integrated. Though he was already on thin ice for deplatforming Faith Goldy.

    He has fallen between the proverbial stools.

    You took the words right out of my mouth.

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  194. Lot says:
    @Neil Templeton

    IQ has a normal distribution because that is how test score raw results are converted to IQ scores.
     
    That is true for the underlying parent population, but not necessarily true for subpops. In order to engage in tail inference for subpops, estimates of the % of population of the subpop above, say, the 2nd or 3rd standard deviation of the parent distribution are needed. If the test sample of the subpop is representative with respect to IQ, the best estimate of 3rd SD is likely the ratio of subpop test takers with IQ scores > 145 to the subpop sample size. The mean of the subpop doesn't help much unless you also know the distribution of subpop IQ relative to parent pop IQ and the standard deviation or other relevant spread parameter(s).

    I'm not a statistician and may be off here in the details, but the general idea is that tail inference requires knowledge of the underlying distribution, as well as the mean and other relevant parameters. Why should the derived IQ of a subpopulation such as Jews or Anglicans be assumed to be normally distributed with respect to the distribution of IQ in the scaled scores of the parent sample, and why should the subpop SD be assumed to equal 15?

    The SD of Ashkenazi IQ seems in the articles I have seen is usually around 15.

    Homogeneous groups you’d think would be a bit lower, but AJs have those unusual large-effect genes, which increases variation.

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    Given that, maybe better to calculate the proportion above the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th SD, assuming the sample is large enough, and representative. The large-effect genes may skew the distribution.
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  195. TheBoom says:
    @Allen
    Yeah, Vox has done good work with Castalia House and rabid puppies, but he's really full of himself and always bragging about how high his IQ is. I still find it weird that he goes after Peterson and Spencer with vitriol and praises people like Milo and Cernovich. If you're cool with the later, I'm not sure why you wouldn't see at least some good in the work of the former. Of course if you want absolute Christian/alt-right/racial doctrinal purity, I could understand attacking all of them, but that's not what Vox is doing.

    Vox is right on many key issues but, like a lot of very bright people, he tends to convince himself that his emotional reactions and inconsistencies are actually based on sound reasoning and not inconsistent. His flaws include fanning the flames of inter-tribal warfare as you noted. Vox, like many others on the right, seems to be on a quest for ideological purity rather than building bridges between the various factions of the right. I find his anti boomer crusade particularly destructive because boomers were the main voting block behind Trump and should be recruited rather demonized by the alt right.

    I guess underlying much of his irrationality are the twin desires to be a star and the smartest guy in the virtual room.

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  196. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Davosbane
    The irony is that Peterson is very Jew friendly.

    Is Peterson’s wife Jewish?

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  197. Rapparee says:
    @Lot
    He really didn't. I wouldn't engage with VD because he has an angry victim streak and avoidence is the best policy with such people.

    Just look at this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html

    There is a group of dysfunctional people out there who think they are losers because society discriminates against people like them who are not just smart, but really really smart. VD not only agrees, this informs the rest of his views. And it is just not true, as Termin's huge study showed.

    I read his book “SJWs Always Lie“. He struck me as a reasonably bright guy with some valid insights on how to respond to activists- but also very clearly as someone more than a little unhinged and paranoid. Humility and self-reflection are not first amongst his virtues, though he surely has many others. For him to accuse someone like Dr. Peterson of intellectual dishonesty is rather absurd.

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    "For him to accuse someone like Dr. Peterson of intellectual dishonesty is rather absurd."

    You really need to read Day's take on Peterson, who made mincemeat out of him. A lot to chew on. Perhaps you can offer a cogent rebuttal to Day's assertions. It would make for great drama.
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  198. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    What a pathetic fool Mr. Peterson is. It reminds me of the white guys in my majority negro high school who tried to act like negroes. The negroes hated them even more than they hated other whites.

    Disagree.

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  199. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Even if that is true of particular tests, others go well past 3SD, and I am not talking about those silly online tests cooked up by the mega giga superduper society. And likewise when high IQ researchers talk about 160 and 170, they are talking about rarity under a normal distribution (for instance, the number if 12 year olds who could score 1500+ on the SAT). So talking about fat IQ tails is fighting a well established linguistic convention in IQ literature. I can't think of any good reason to do this.

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.

    From Jensen’s classic 1969 article:
    “I indicated previously that the distribution of intelligence is really not quite “normal,” but show certain systematic departures from “normality.” And the figure that illustrates it:

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    Thanks for that. The full Jensen article: https://www.samtiden.com/tbc/las_artikel.php?id=35

    Did Jensen ever quantify the magnitude of the differences from normality (say at 140, 150, 160 IQ) which he graphs? That the tails are even visible out there indicates a substantial difference (if expressed as a ratio of frequencies). For example a normal 145 (3SD) is 99.85 percentile while the solid curve looks closer to 99%.

    Jensen talks briefly about normality in The g Factor (pp. 102-103). I think this is an accurate summary position:

    Probably the best answer at present concerning the distribution of g is that, although we cannot determine it directly by any currently available means, it is a reasonable inference that it approximates the normal curve and there is no good reason for assuming that the distribution of g is not approximately normal, at least within the middle range of about four standard deviations.
     
    Do you have any sense of how homogeneous the populations Jensen considered were? How much of an impact might subpopulations have?
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  200. @MarylandDan
    Steve --

    Scary thought that I just can't shake:

    What if the Flynn Effect is fraud?

    It never seemed to make very much sense and seeing how intense the narrative enforcers are now, I am questioning other things. What if the Flynn Effect is intentionally fake?

    It sure sells a happy story and it doesn't comport with the fact that we know our ancestors who built America weren't embeciles!

    When Flynn wrote to Jensen in the 1970s, Jensen came back with four challenges, which over a period of years Flynn largely met to Jensen’s satisfaction. It’s a pretty encouraging story in the history of science, although you seldom hear about.

    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven’s, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.

    In other words, the early IQ guys like Louis Terman were right about the direction the world would move under later guys like his son Fred Terman, the Father of Silicon Valley.

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    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven’s, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.
     
    This is a good theory. For example I would look at the impact of new methods of teaching mathematics (New Math) in 1960 and their impact on Raven tests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math
    Topics introduced in the New Math include modular arithmetic, algebraic inequalities, bases other than 10, matrices, symbolic logic, Boolean algebra, and abstract algebra.
     
    As far as being de-culturized what about being re-culturized along the lines of speculative thinking typical in legal reasoning or Talmudic studies?
    , @Anon
    James Thompson had a column last summer about a paper where they dug into historical IQ tests and classified sub tests by g loading. I remember something about "digit spans," if you want to search for it. Upshot, no Flynn Effect for g loaded stuff, but yes for low g loaded sub tests.

    On the other hand, I have bought vintage hats and have visited museums with war paraphernalia. Heads have grown. Have brains grown? Would that raise IQ?
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  201. Lot says:
    @Stan Adams
    "Dysfunctional" might be a little harsh. But it is true that Day has described superior intelligence as a kind of handicap.

    Today, he posted this:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/interview-with-jesse-peterson.html

    Jesse: What is a high IQ?

    Vox: Well, you know, IQ is best understood in terms of its standard deviation, so 100 IQ is normal, the Mensa level IQ is the top two percent of the population, so one in 50, that's about 132, you know. I'm in the 3 to 4 standard deviation range, so I'm probably around the one in a thousand, one in 1500 level. There are plenty of people like me, but not a whole lot.

    Jesse: Do you feel smart? I mean, how do you know that you're that smart?

    Vox: I guess the easiest way for me to explain it is to put it in terms like this; I'm also slightly colorblind. There are some differentiations between orange and green that I literally cannot see. You can point it out to me, you can trace it, you can draw it, and I cannot see it, no matter what. Being highly intelligent tends to be like the other side of that, you know, you see things, and you think they're obvious, and it's very, very surprising to you that other people can't see them. So, I would say that in terms of your day-to-day relationships with other people, it's often just having to understand that other people can't always see what you see, or they can't always reach conclusions as quickly as you can.
     
    To a certain segment of the audience, such talk comes across as petty, gratuitous bragging. "I'm a lot smarter than you are; ergo, I'm right and you're wrong, even if you're too much of an imbecile to grasp that simple fact."

    The phrasing also seems unnecessarily pretentious, even passive-aggressive. I would just say, "The world is full of drooling morons who are too dull to understand the correctness of my arguments. It's very frustrating to spend my life attempting to converse with dimwitted dummies who don't agree with everything I say." Why mince words?

    (That being said, I know what it's like to be on a totally different wavelength from everyone else in a crowded room. It's not fun.)

    It's hard to imagine Steve giving an interview where he boasts about his superior IQ and denigrates the intelligence of his day-to-day associates. He seems to operate under the assumption that his level of discourse is sufficient proof of his intellectual worth. I tend to agree with his apparent belief that shameless self-congratulation is best kept to a minimum.

    That being said, I don't have any skin in the Peterson game. The fact that Day is systematically dismantling him doesn't bother me. In fact, I can think of quite a few bestselling authors who deserve to be torn to shreds.

    I agree with all of this.

    “It’s hard to imagine Steve giving an interview where he boasts about his superior IQ”

    Sure, because if you’re really intelligent you would have noticed that people who loudly proclaim their high IQ are not taken seriously and are not worth reading, and you don’t want to be thought of that way. The way to make people think you are smart is intellectual achievement, not bragging about a number. Also, anyone can create an “IQ test” and many people do. If you must brag about a number, stick to college and postgraduate admissions tests. My suspicion is people who drop IQ numbers like VD are reporting the result of some dubious test.

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  202. Lot says:
    @blogggeinu
    Eric Lander toasted James Watson, it's causing quite a tweet storm:

    https://twitter.com/phylogenomics/status/995568976674537472

    Good illustration of the attraction of PC as a way to try to take down your betters. Vox Day, this is what a really smart guy’s life looks like:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Lander

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  203. Thirdeye says:
    @guest
    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot. If he's not consciously part of a deception, in the very least he's only in the spotlight because powerful forces think he's useful. He'll disappear if they decide otherwise.

    Peterson has an organic following, but that's not so much political or even intellectual as it is a bunch of lost souls who need something a bit more substantial than popular culture can offer.

    The use of figures like Peterson to the Cathedral is that he can act as a net to catch falling libs. Ones sick of the PC nuthouse, who could possibly fall into the real right, and that can't be allowed. He also serves as gatekeeper to block Evul Natsees from the mainstream.

    The same ploy as Bill Buckley and the neocons, basically, except Peterson is by his own admission center-left. The only reason he's mistaken by anyone for being on the right is that the right has responded favorably to him embarrassing a dumb female journalist on the Gender Pay Gap issue and stood up to Pronoun Madness. They don't know anything more about him.

    But come on. He's a mentally ill Canadian professor obsessed with existentialism with giant paintings of communist heroes like Lenin hanging on the wall. He also preaches Holocaustianity non-stop, and warns his white students and acolytes that but for the Grace of God they could be S.S. officers torturing people to death for the heck of it.

    Ah, but in Leftland if you give aid and comfort to the enemy, you are "objectively" on their side. So it wouldn't matter of you've spent your entire life as a carrying your PC card in good standing, dues paid in full. The second you criticize PC enough for the right to notice, you're the enemy.

    That, or the left is merely pretending to up Peterson's street cred with Natsees. After all, this laughably phony Intellectual Dark Web nonsense must make enemies to the left in order for anyone to be tricked by it.

    But my hunch is the Forward! stuff is genuine. Peterson really stepped in it over the Jewish Question, which admittedly is a minefield for the most experienced politicos. Peterson ain't that. He's just a depressed professorial Nietzsche fanboy.

    Cardinal rule of politics is don't mention the Jew. If you should happen to, either be Jewish or have your PC credentials in perfect order. Peterson's credentials had been suspended and were under review for possible thoughtcrime against women and trannies.

    With that status, one simply cannot talk about Jews. Not even in order to call evul natsees kooky konspiracy theorists. And the way Peterson defended Jewish overrepresentation was incorrect. You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don't make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Insult to injury, Peterson destroyed his reputation on the right in the same instance. Not for being wrong on the Jewish Question persay, but for being dishonest and obviously lacking integrated. Though he was already on thin ice for deplatforming Faith Goldy.

    He has fallen between the proverbial stools.

    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot.

    Oh, the horror that there should be competition for the “real right” among opposition to PC identitarian left-liberals!

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    Of course, leftist identitarians aren't the only enemies. Whomever Peterson is against, he's also a center-left neoliberal who's almost certainly pushing the NWO agenda.

    Those people will use anything they can, identity politics, insane PC, or professors who pose as reasonable moderates. In certain ways the latter are more dangerous, because my real allies and potential allies can be tricked into fatal delusions by them. Like the notion that identity politics are bad as such.

    False. Identity politics are both necessary and inevitable. They are in fact the only thing that can save us from multicultural, borderless hell.

    That Jordan Peterson doesn't want to be compelled by the state to use funny pronouns is a good thing, but nothing compared to what else he's against.

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  204. utu says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Household wealth is distributed non-normally, and the same for household and personal income. For social traits, normality works well in the -2.5 standard deviation to +2.5 standard deviation range around the mean, but not outside that range (the tails).

    As you say, the normal distribution of IQ test scores is just about test calibration + central limit theorem effects with a large number of test items. So the normality of IQ scores seems more a manufactured property than an empirical characteristic of the trait. Anyway this is all too technical so maybe let's leave it.

    As you say, the normal distribution of IQ test scores is just about test calibration + central limit theorem effects with a large number of test items. So the normality of IQ scores seems more a manufactured property than an empirical characteristic of the trait.

    I do not think central limit theorem has anything to do with it. But you are right that it is a manufactured property. However the manufacturers were not fully in control of the process so they could not produce exactly what they intended to. Thus what is the actual distribution must be determent empirically using a very large sample. Furthermore it is likely that different IQ tests that were homogenized with each other with respect to mean and SD may have different distributions. So for instance IQ according to the test-A may be close to Gaussian while IQ according to the test-B may have thin or fat tails and/or be asymmetric. For this reasons any conclusions obtained from assumptions about the shope of the distribution are only as good as the assumptions. If you want to explain using IQ Jewish overrepresentation you must assume ‘fat tails’ as La Griffe du Lion has been doing but if you want to point to Jewish networking it suffices to assume Gaussian distribution even if you assume the mean Jewish IQ to be 115 as Peterson did which seems to be too high. There are publications pointing to 110 or lower or to that ∆IQ between Jews and Whites is closer to 6 IQ points.

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  205. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I used to know a man who had composed a hit song in the 1940s about a picnic with lines like "Did you bring the chicken, chicken, chicken?" It has not gone down in history as an American standard, but he made some money off it at the time.

    In my French class we listened to Les Cornichons, a 60s novelty hit whose lyrics were entirely about what to bring on a picnic. “The chicken, the mayo, the mustard, the beer, and of course don’t forget the baby pickles!”

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    That was a classic!
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    George McFly was such a weirdo.
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  206. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    When Flynn wrote to Jensen in the 1970s, Jensen came back with four challenges, which over a period of years Flynn largely met to Jensen's satisfaction. It's a pretty encouraging story in the history of science, although you seldom hear about.

    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven's, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.

    In other words, the early IQ guys like Louis Terman were right about the direction the world would move under later guys like his son Fred Terman, the Father of Silicon Valley.

    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven’s, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.

    This is a good theory. For example I would look at the impact of new methods of teaching mathematics (New Math) in 1960 and their impact on Raven tests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math
    Topics introduced in the New Math include modular arithmetic, algebraic inequalities, bases other than 10, matrices, symbolic logic, Boolean algebra, and abstract algebra.

    As far as being de-culturized what about being re-culturized along the lines of speculative thinking typical in legal reasoning or Talmudic studies?

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  207. @El Dato
    Yeah but don't you want to understand Quantum Field Theory?

    (And now I'm back to Sunday woodwork!)

    Quantum Field Theory: nah.
    Woodwork: have renovated many curbside rescues with corner braces and some paint.

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  208. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Addressing Jewish influence from a scientific perspective takes true courage. Peterson didn’t know what he was getting himself into by becoming the “scientific realist” du jour, and his courage is lacking. The low hanging fruit—obvious, socially significant effects of testosterone and estrogen production differences between men and women—Peterson can handle. Actual attack by an aggressive ethno-racial group with tremendous power tests Peterson’s spine.

    In the eyes of the LibElite, Peterson’s greatest crime is being civil with ppl like Stefan Molyneaux & articulating a gentle variety of immigration restrictionism. It also irritates the Forward that he only chides the Alt Rt in a measured way & doesn’t denounce those to his Right as Hitler-clones.
    You can understand the Forward clearly once you realize they want their enemies on the Dissident Rt impoverished, deplatformed, even imprisoned. They are the ultimate “you’re either with us or against us” Totalitarians. Zero tolerance for middle ground, open debate or nuance.

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  209. @Lot
    Spencer got the tons of media coverage because he was friendly to the media and always gave them just want they wanted. He was also well located in the DC area. (Or allowed journalists to do longer stories about him in a beautiful Montana resort town. That sure beats an Indiana trailer park where his neonazi rivals lived.)

    A large share of journalism is also ripping off the stories of other journalists. That is the entire HuffPo early business model, and it worked well. So if you wanted to be the 77th journalist to run an article about the scary new far right in 2016, you'd go to Spencer like all the others did, he'd promptly and politely return your calls, and give you just the right quote that fits right into your article.

    Spencer also has that slight (at times not so slight) homosexual affect which appeals to reporters

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  210. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous
    Peterson is unstable and has been on antidepressants for years. It's like having Jose Canseco as the guru of natural physical training and clean living.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x35Rbe81vkU

    Actually, overcoming depression and leading a productive life is a huge feat. I have a lot of respect for people who fight depression every day of their lives. Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to. It’s a very painful and debilitating condition, rooted in the neurochemistry of our brains. No laughing matter, believe me.

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    Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to.

    Depressives' brains are addicted to pain? What do you mean?

    What does surrendering to the pain entail?
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  211. Lurker says:

    Jordan Peterson is a public intellectual adored by neo-Nazis, white supremacists and conspiracy theorists

    And the lulz keep coming!

    As long as he keeps yapping at SJWs, he’s useful. That’s about it.

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  212. BB753 says:
    @Lot
    In my French class we listened to Les Cornichons, a 60s novelty hit whose lyrics were entirely about what to bring on a picnic. "The chicken, the mayo, the mustard, the beer, and of course don't forget the baby pickles!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfMDRJCqxc8

    That was a classic!

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  213. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I used to know a man who had composed a hit song in the 1940s about a picnic with lines like "Did you bring the chicken, chicken, chicken?" It has not gone down in history as an American standard, but he made some money off it at the time.

    Sort of interesting you would mention this on a thread where so many people are talking about Vox Day, since his biggest brush with fame was writing a song that ended up on the soundtrack of the Mortal Kombat movie.

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    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.
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  214. @AndrewR
    Bad for whom?

    Bad for nearly everyone, including most Jews – something that people like Stephen Miller can see.

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  215. Lurker says:
    @DFH
    Except the 115 assumption has already been debunked. And our host himself has shown that Jews are massively overrepresented relative to intelligence. So Jordan must be either sloppy, very poor at quantiative reasoning or lying.

    Exactly.

    This whole thing has been demolished in the comments at JBP’s own site.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/jordanbpeterson/on_the_so_called_8220jewish_question8221/best/

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  216. Mulegino1 says:

    Forget about any “Jew hatred” or even criticism of the Jews as a collective. For the masters and generals of the collective swarming hive of international Jewry, deference to the Jews, or praise of them, is never enough. The deference will never be sufficient, and the praise will, in their estimation, always be faint and insufficient. What they want is groveling, servitude and sycophancy to their Talmudic hive. They want an utterly abject, servile acknowledgement of gentile guilt at having not paid sufficient tribute to Jewish goodness, innocence and genius over the centuries, and for being solely responsible for the sufferings and tribulations of the tribe “since time immemorial.”

    I remember Netanyahu’s address to Congress. It was not a matter of criticizing him- no Congress critter would dare do so and expect to survive politically. Instead, what we witnessed was a performance of slaves so utterly servile- no one wanted to be the first one to stop applauding, as that would have garnered AIPAC’s displeasure-that it was more Stalinist than Stalin himself.

    The Synagogue of Satan insists upon being the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral, and the time is now at hand that this is starting to have the opposite effect.

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    Particularly revolting was Rand Paul’s mea culpas afterwards, when the demented Zionist Jennifer Rubin called him out for not clapping with sufficient Stalinist fervor. The apple indeed fell far from that tree.
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  217. @Lot
    In my French class we listened to Les Cornichons, a 60s novelty hit whose lyrics were entirely about what to bring on a picnic. "The chicken, the mayo, the mustard, the beer, and of course don't forget the baby pickles!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfMDRJCqxc8

    George McFly was such a weirdo.

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  218. @Lot
    Even if that is true of particular tests, others go well past 3SD, and I am not talking about those silly online tests cooked up by the mega giga superduper society. And likewise when high IQ researchers talk about 160 and 170, they are talking about rarity under a normal distribution (for instance, the number if 12 year olds who could score 1500+ on the SAT). So talking about fat IQ tails is fighting a well established linguistic convention in IQ literature. I can't think of any good reason to do this.

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.

    The old SAT Verbal test was a really good test of verbal IQ with an extremely high ceiling with only a few dozen people per year scoring 800 on it.

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    The old SAT Verbal test was a really good test of verbal IQ with an extremely high ceiling with only a few dozen people per year scoring 800 on it.
     
    If this is so, they could be used to generate normal distribution (via nonlinear scaling) accurate up to above several SD's.
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  219. Jordan Peterson’s first major sponsor was Ezra Levant’s “Rebel Media” which is basically the Breitbart of Canada. Mr. Peterson’s exposure on Rebel Media in 2017 seemed to tip him over the edge into becoming a viral superstar. The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel. How Trudeau’s unchecked Third World immigration policy affects Canada’s native stock white gentile population is really only an afterthought to these people.

    Faith Goldy was a good goy who did useful pieces on Rebel Media highlighting, for example, how Syrian refugee kids tormented Canadian students in public schools. Unfortunately for the Rebel, Faith went off the reservation by attending Charlottesville and being too strong an advocate for regular Canadian white men. Now she’s branded Canada’s “Nazi Barbie” as a result and Mr. Levant disowned her.

    As such, Dr. Peterson cannot criticize Israel, neocons or ethnic Jewish animus towards gentiles lest he get the Faith Goldy treatment. He thus describes society’s ills as a series of abstractions which can be tackled using rational analysis. Good-intentioned yet somewhat naïve white guys with IQs between 95-120 gravitate to that kind of stuff.

    Dr. Peterson will as far as to say “Cultural Marxists”, “Black Lives Matter types” and “French intellectuals like Derrida”. That’s about all…

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    Jordan Peterson’s first major sponsor was Ezra Levant’s “Rebel Media” which is basically the Breitbart of Canada....The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much.
     
    Peterson's is smart enough to know on which side bread is buttered so it is unlikely he would stray off the reservation.
    , @FKA Max

    The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel.
     
    Spot on!

    ...Jordan Peterson still appears on Ezra Levant’s show every now and then, I believe. That doesn’t necessarily make them neocons themselves but they are promoted by them, they travel in their circles and thus are part of the broader Neocon orbit, in my opinion
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-meet-the-renegades-of-the-intellectual-dark-web/#comment-2324975

    Here are Mr. Levant and Mr. Peterson in conversation:

    Jordan Peterson on the subject of anti-semitism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVDtICVwMA

    Here an even earlier Jewish sponsor/benefactor of Peterson's:

    A Reddit user has dug up an excerpt from the foreword of Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life which relates how a Canadian-Jewish TV producer named Wodek Szemberg hand-selected Peterson to be a “public intellectual.” Wodek, a producer for the popular Canadian public affairs show The Agenda, is said to be “the first to put Peterson in front of a camera” after recognizing his gift of the gab.

    https://i2.wp.com/alt-right.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/12-rules-peterso.png

    While this is not rock-solid proof of an organized Jewish conspiracy to elevate Peterson into his current guru role, it shows that Peterson was groomed by a Jewish television producer to lead public dissent against the radical left… lead it astray into the Jew-friendly dead end of classical liberalism. In one of his apologist videos about the Jewish question, Peterson himself attested to having a large social circle of Jewish friends and colleagues.

    Source: http://alt-right.com/2018/05/12/jordan-peterson-hand-selected-jewish-tv-producer-lead-dissent/ Archived link: http://archive.is/1WfLf
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  220. Svigor says:
    @Allen
    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson's crime, it really doesn't matter how he explains it.

    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson’s crime, it really doesn’t matter how he explains it.

    Jewish power requires secrecy, so it’s no surprise that Jews instinctively demand it (i.e., developed a culture that says Jew-noticing is Jew-hating). If you ask people if they’re okay with being dominated by a hostile elite, a Hell of a lot of them are going to say no.

    If everything’s out in the open, you’re already talking about a big hit to Jewish power before the conversation even starts.

    Without institutional capture of Whites via this weird form of consent via ignorance, Jews would be running something roughly the size of Vermont.

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    Where is the consent through ignorance in this example?
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  221. guest says:
    @Thirdeye

    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot.
     
    Oh, the horror that there should be competition for the "real right" among opposition to PC identitarian left-liberals!

    Of course, leftist identitarians aren’t the only enemies. Whomever Peterson is against, he’s also a center-left neoliberal who’s almost certainly pushing the NWO agenda.

    Those people will use anything they can, identity politics, insane PC, or professors who pose as reasonable moderates. In certain ways the latter are more dangerous, because my real allies and potential allies can be tricked into fatal delusions by them. Like the notion that identity politics are bad as such.

    False. Identity politics are both necessary and inevitable. They are in fact the only thing that can save us from multicultural, borderless hell.

    That Jordan Peterson doesn’t want to be compelled by the state to use funny pronouns is a good thing, but nothing compared to what else he’s against.

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  222. Thea says:
    @Weekender
    I’m puzzled by that, too. Jordan Peterson’s encouragement of young men seems to to be exactly what Vox Day does in his part of the gaming/sci-fi world. From my limited knowledge of gamergate, doesn’t Peterson’s call out to young men to be strong, focused and “clean their rooms” very close to the Sad Puppies’ agenda?
    I hate the Ben Shapiro/Milo feud, too. Why does Ben get so upset by Loki/Milo? Both have voices that need to be heard in the public square. Big tent, guys, big tent.

    Hyrax I don’t get it either. Peterson eencourages young men to not appologize or back down. his lectures on Disney archetypes are maybe scientifically bogus but entertaining. At least he is a public figure encouraging masculinity and standing for principles. He actually believes what he says.

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    Peterson actually doesn't believe what he says. He disinvited Faith Goldy from the college free speech event for appearing as a guest on an ethno-nationalist podcast, while he himself appeared on an ethno-nationalist (Tara McCarthy) podcast.
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  223. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous
    I've often wondered whether there is an ulterior motive behind the obsession with The Holocaust: it takes the focus off the fact that so many Jews in Russia actively supported the Stalinist regime. When it is pointed out that people like Yagoda, Kaganovich etal. were Jewish, out comes the Anti-Semite card.
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  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Simon in London
    I think the Official Narrative is that Jews in the USA are an oppressed and powerless minority who are no more intelligent than anyone else? But that the main thing is that non Jews must never ever discuss Jews, even to praise them, as this smacks of Hitler. And you must never discuss the Narrative either, you just have to know what it is.

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the 'men with gold chains' ethnic groups).

    There are plenty of other ethnic groups with relatively high in group preference, but they tend to be either lower median IQ, or small in number.
    Upper middle class non-Jewish whites have a similar median IQ, but typically lower drive, lower pushiness, less verbal felicity, and either no in-group preference, or negative in-group preference - ie they will discriminate against other members of their ethny.

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

    Actually, I think there’s also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called “Jewish berserkers,” namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much “fanaticism” quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these “berserkers” a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

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    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much [higher] “fanaticism” quotient than many other grouops,
     
    Voltaire wrote about Jewish fanaticism:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/30/books/l-voltaire-and-the-jews-590990.html
    In his ''Letter of Memmius to Cicero'' (1771), Voltaire, in the pose of an ancient Roman reporting on the Jews, wrote: ''They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.''
     
    , @FKA Max
    Perfect description, “Jewish berserkers”.

    After threats from the Jewish Defense League, Cole renounced his Holocaust denial in 1998,[5] changed his name to "David Stein", and focused on other work.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cole_(journalist)

    In late 1997, a document entitled "David Cole: Monstrous Traitor" reportedly appeared on the Web site of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a Jewish extremist group. The JDL's statement, attributed to Robert J. Newman, went far beyond criticizing Cole for denying the Holocaust, asserting in no uncertain terms that the JDL wished to "get rid" of him:

    Don't you think it's time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infesting society...An evil monster like this does not deserve to live on this earth.
     

    - http://archive.is/NLsoB#selection-385.0-391.351

    They (Mossad, et al.) have co-opted, infiltrated or even founded/funded many Western, "controlled opposition", anti-Muslim nationalist groups like the English Defence League (EDL), for example:

    Jewish Defense League Teams Up With Anti-Muslim Street Gang

    But Meir Weinstein, the head of the Canadian branch of the JDL disputes this. He says the group’s goals are aligned with those of the JDL — and claims they have disowned the more racist elements within their parent organization in Finland.

    Source: https://forward.com/fast-forward/371448/jewish-defense-league-teams-up-with-anti-muslim-street-gang/

    And Jordan Peterson is (indirectly) connected to all this through Ezra Levant: http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328812

    Geller's speech will be followed by a one-on-one interview with Rebel Commander Ezra Levant of Rebel Media, “the only truthful media outlet daring to talk about radical Jihad and radical Islam," according to the JDL promo. An exclusive "meet Pamela" dinner is also being organized the day before the Canada Christian College event. Tickets for the dinner are being sold at $180 a pop.
    [...]
    Geller was planning to attend a march of the far-right English Defence League. The British government's decision was supported by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
     

    - https://nowtoronto.com/news/worlds-top-islamophobe-pamela-geller-to-speak-in-toronto/
    , @Stan d Mute
    Also, that Jewish fanaticism is different from its spin-off Christian fanaticism in that the Jew actually is a small minority with so many cloistered into echo chambers like NYC, Miami Beach, Boca Raton, etc.

    How much of a factor do you think Jewish insecurity plays resulting from judaism’s overwhelming demographic failure relative to its two major spin-offs?

    Lastly, what do you think of my hypothesis posited in many other threads that Jews have a special strain of existentially self-defeating stupid (ie promoting immigration esp islamists and high IQ south and East Asians who will demographically swamp them) - are these the work of your berserkers?
    , @Thursday
    Geography likely is a factor too. It helps to be concentrated in places like NYC.
    , @Simon in London
    Thanks Ron. Obviously you are right the berserkers exist; and I see how they contribute to Jewish over-enrolment in elite Universities. Can this though be distinguished from general in-group preference (the Jewish admissions lady at Harvard) as a significant contributor to Jewish success/dominance in the USA? Some other groups have their berserkers without being particularly successful, eg Australia has berserkers on behalf of the Aborigines, people with small amounts of Aborigine ancestry who identify as Aborigine and make a career of persecuting any whiff of criticism of 'their' group. They don't seem to contribute to Aborigine success at all, perhaps more the reverse.

    But you may be right - does graduating from the Ivy League provide a sort of blank cheque to taking a dominant position (cultural/political/economic) in the USA? If so it seems much more important than even Oxbridge here in the UK.

    More generally - I've interacted a couple times with New York Jewish lawyers, and been struck by their incredible level of verbal aggression, they really come in with all guns blazing in a way that easily overwhelms a WASP type like me, we just shut down. The berserkers draw on this tradition. I can see how this results in an ethos of no criticism - but then you can't criticise African-Americans either; so again this may be a necessary but not sufficient factor.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
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  225. utu says:
    @Canadian Observer
    Jordan Peterson’s first major sponsor was Ezra Levant’s “Rebel Media” which is basically the Breitbart of Canada. Mr. Peterson’s exposure on Rebel Media in 2017 seemed to tip him over the edge into becoming a viral superstar. The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel. How Trudeau’s unchecked Third World immigration policy affects Canada’s native stock white gentile population is really only an afterthought to these people.

    Faith Goldy was a good goy who did useful pieces on Rebel Media highlighting, for example, how Syrian refugee kids tormented Canadian students in public schools. Unfortunately for the Rebel, Faith went off the reservation by attending Charlottesville and being too strong an advocate for regular Canadian white men. Now she’s branded Canada’s “Nazi Barbie” as a result and Mr. Levant disowned her.

    As such, Dr. Peterson cannot criticize Israel, neocons or ethnic Jewish animus towards gentiles lest he get the Faith Goldy treatment. He thus describes society’s ills as a series of abstractions which can be tackled using rational analysis. Good-intentioned yet somewhat naïve white guys with IQs between 95-120 gravitate to that kind of stuff.

    Dr. Peterson will as far as to say “Cultural Marxists”, “Black Lives Matter types” and “French intellectuals like Derrida”. That’s about all…

    Jordan Peterson’s first major sponsor was Ezra Levant’s “Rebel Media” which is basically the Breitbart of Canada….The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much.

    Peterson’s is smart enough to know on which side bread is buttered so it is unlikely he would stray off the reservation.

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  226. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Canadian Observer
    Jordan Peterson’s first major sponsor was Ezra Levant’s “Rebel Media” which is basically the Breitbart of Canada. Mr. Peterson’s exposure on Rebel Media in 2017 seemed to tip him over the edge into becoming a viral superstar. The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel. How Trudeau’s unchecked Third World immigration policy affects Canada’s native stock white gentile population is really only an afterthought to these people.

    Faith Goldy was a good goy who did useful pieces on Rebel Media highlighting, for example, how Syrian refugee kids tormented Canadian students in public schools. Unfortunately for the Rebel, Faith went off the reservation by attending Charlottesville and being too strong an advocate for regular Canadian white men. Now she’s branded Canada’s “Nazi Barbie” as a result and Mr. Levant disowned her.

    As such, Dr. Peterson cannot criticize Israel, neocons or ethnic Jewish animus towards gentiles lest he get the Faith Goldy treatment. He thus describes society’s ills as a series of abstractions which can be tackled using rational analysis. Good-intentioned yet somewhat naïve white guys with IQs between 95-120 gravitate to that kind of stuff.

    Dr. Peterson will as far as to say “Cultural Marxists”, “Black Lives Matter types” and “French intellectuals like Derrida”. That’s about all…

    The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel.

    Spot on!

    …Jordan Peterson still appears on Ezra Levant’s show every now and then, I believe. That doesn’t necessarily make them neocons themselves but they are promoted by them, they travel in their circles and thus are part of the broader Neocon orbit, in my opinion

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-meet-the-renegades-of-the-intellectual-dark-web/#comment-2324975

    Here are Mr. Levant and Mr. Peterson in conversation:

    Jordan Peterson on the subject of anti-semitism

    Here an even earlier Jewish sponsor/benefactor of Peterson’s:

    A Reddit user has dug up an excerpt from the foreword of Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life which relates how a Canadian-Jewish TV producer named Wodek Szemberg hand-selected Peterson to be a “public intellectual.” Wodek, a producer for the popular Canadian public affairs show The Agenda, is said to be “the first to put Peterson in front of a camera” after recognizing his gift of the gab.

    While this is not rock-solid proof of an organized Jewish conspiracy to elevate Peterson into his current guru role, it shows that Peterson was groomed by a Jewish television producer to lead public dissent against the radical left… lead it astray into the Jew-friendly dead end of classical liberalism. In one of his apologist videos about the Jewish question, Peterson himself attested to having a large social circle of Jewish friends and colleagues.

    Source: http://alt-right.com/2018/05/12/jordan-peterson-hand-selected-jewish-tv-producer-lead-dissent/ Archived link: http://archive.is/1WfLf

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    Is Peterson's wife Jewish?
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  227. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    "Is Jordan Peterson Enabling Jew Hatred?"
     
    Uh ... of course!

    What--that is good or fun or decent or true--does not?

    Like celebrating Christmas -- anti-semitic.
    Think Christianity is good -- anti-semitic.
    Own some guns -- anti-semitic.
    Drive a pickup -- anti-semitic.
    Like the country side, like rural America -- anti-semitic.
    Against Wall Street running America -- anti-semitic.
    Think men are more interested in things/idea, women in people/relationships -- anti-semitic.
    Enjoy traditional sex roles -- anti-semitic.
    Say "sex" instead of "gender" -- anti-semitic.
    Think tranies are mental ill -- anti-semitic.
    Believe in federalism -- anti-semitic.
    Hostile to courts deciding political issues -- anti-semitic.
    Think elected leaders ought to govern -- anti-semitic.
    Believe that genes matter -- anti-semitic.
    Think nature is more important than nurture for outcomes in contemporary US -- anti-semitic.
    Don't believe races, ethnicities have identical mental traits -- anti-semitic.
    Think Jews are smarter on average -- anti-semitic.
    Don't think Jews have 115 IQ -- anti-semitic.
    Belong to a country club -- anti-semitic (unless a Jewish country club).
    Don't think "diversity is our strength" -- anti-semitic.
    Don't think "Western Civilization" is a "cancer", but rather pretty awesome -- anti-semitic.
    Don't give a shit about "white privilege" -- anti-semitic.
    Don't like Muslims coming into the US (or Europe) -- anti-semitic.
    Don't hate Muslims in the middle east -- anti-semitic.
    Don't think we are a "nation of immigrants" -- anti-semitc.
    Don't want open borders -- anti-semitic.
    Want a world of real nations of particular peoples ruling themselves -- anti-semitic.


    The amazing thing here if Jews didn't exist i'd still have these same attitudes-- ... yet be "anti-semitic".

    You can be just strolling down the street, no ill will toward anyone, taking in the world as common sensically as you can and wham! the anti-semitic virus strikes. It's like magic.

    Yet I’ve never seen a clear, objective and repeatable definition of “anti-Semitic” from a Jew. As far as I can tell “anti-Semitic” = “That word/statement/person is not good for the Jews.” The point of the word is to smear the object and shut down discussion. Very Alinsky-like.

    There are few other words with such a malleable definition depending on the subjective feelings of the speaker.

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  228. @eah
    How the American opiate epidemic was started by one pharmaceutical company

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.

    Look into TIRFs. OxyContin is weak sauce.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-insys-opioids-kickbacks.html

    Also, a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic” and/or any “new” phenomenon don’t you think? How long have humans been using opiates? How long have they been illegal/prescription only?

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link? How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain? Do you know the federal government is now dictating supply levels of pain medications and even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    https://khn.org/news/the-other-opioid-crisis-hospital-shortages-lead-to-patient-pain-medical-errors/view/republish/

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from? And now fentanyl and carfentanil (!! – the one to really watch) – from whence do they come?

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    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from?
     
    I always wondered about it that they would say that the opioid pain medication were gateway drugs to heroin abuse but would never follow up where the heroin is coming from and how come is so cheap. By reducing the availability of opioid pain medication will they reduce number of heroin ODs?
    , @eah
    a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic”

    https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/styles/content_image_landscape/public/fig1test51414.jpg

    OxyContin is weak sauce.

    OxyContin: Pain Relief vs. Abuse -- It's the high content of oxycodone that makes OxyContin popular on the street. People who abuse the drug crush the tablet and swallow or snort it, or dilute it in water and inject it. This destroys the time-release mechanism so that the user gets the full effects of the narcotic. Users compare the high to the euphoria of heroin.

    How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    Too much no doubt.

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain?

    Who proposed doing that? -- a nonsensical 'red herring'.

    even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    Did you read the first sentence at your link? -- Even as opioids flood American communities and fuel widespread addiction,...

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin.

    A quick search found more than I could possibly read.

    Where does our heroin come from?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link?

    I couldn't tell you if people in West Virginia are "despondent" or not, or if they are, why -- my comment was about irresponsible drug companies (one in particular, controlled by Jews), wholesalers, etc etc, pushing enormous quantities of opioids, particularly into WV, when they must have known it was fueling abuse.

    Among the 50 states, WV ranks 49th in per capita income -- only MS is lower.

    Stan d Mute

    Next time, just STFU.
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  229. @Prof. Woland
    By taking up men's rights, Peterson already put's himself in harms way with all the other identity groups on the left that have to align themselves with feminists to gain political power. This includes Jews. The left benefits greatly from the fact that their two main opponents, whites and men, are not nearly as self-aware and in grouped as the coalition of minorities that is the left in this country. The last thing the left wants is for either or both of those two groups to become motivated and organized thereby upsetting their apple cart.

    Jordan Peterson is interesting for the same reason James Damore is interesting. Both of them are willing to openly discuss the rotten nature of feminism in an intelligent and truthful manner. It is something that we hardly hear in this culture though it is desperately needed which is the reason people are shocked. It is certainly not because of their attractive looks.

    Tucker Carlson invited both of these guys on his show for the same reason. Men and whites are the last two identity groups to awaken and there is a massive upside potential to build an audience. He is doing the same thing with whites, and his show is wildly successful because of it. With both identity groups being the last frontier for marketers and politicians and I am sure this does not make some people happy. In fact, they are many of the ones who are most aware of the potential and fear it the most.

    Just as it has been said that Trump was the only guy in the room to pick up the $100 bill on the floor (immigration) we are waiting for someone to do the same with same thing with men’s issues. The fact that there are people who are ‘concerned’ should not be surprising.

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    A successful men's rights movement would radically alter politics in this country and cause a major realignment not just for organized women's groups, but all the other identity groups on the left that are in league with them. In one sense there is no reason that men would automatically tilt right the way women tilt left but something tells me that is how it would play out. Feminists have been radicalized for two generations now and without any competition or checks on their behavior they have had no reason to play fair. A modern, well lead, sophisticated, well funded men's lobby would begin to push back inflicting a cost on women's solipsistic behavior. Depending on how things shook out, men finally getting representation would either move women to the center if there was compromise or act as a counter balance if women stayed where they are; but either way, it would take some of the oxygen out of the left harming the most liberal identity groups the hardest.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Both of them are willing to openly discuss the rotten nature of feminism in an intelligent and truthful manner
     
    On the other hand, the anti-fur movement is quite anti-female, and quite successful.

    Feminists rarely win a fight with the Left they're part of. Bill Cosby is an exception, but he, like OJ Simpson, is pretty extreme.

    Interestingly, women were forced onto juries not by Ruth Bader Ginsburg's feminist arguments, even though she brought the case. It was decided that permissive jury service-- i.e., an opt-out provision for women-- were unfair to criminal defendants, who were almost all male. And very often black.
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  230. Jordan Peterson is a rare cultural figure on the right that is having a large impact and poses a threat to the political left. The standard left-wing tactic is to push opposing viewpoints out of acceptable bounds or tie them to some horror like hate.

    The right needs to punch back against this tactic and expose it for the dirty trick that it is.

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    Well, Alt Right leader Vox Day pretty much obliterated Peterson. Check out his newest "Darkstream".

    Perhaps you can challenge Day by exposing this "dirty trick". Good luck.
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  231. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:

    Montage is not the word you want here. It refers to a motion picture technique, different images offset in time, not space. Battleship Potemkin Odessa steps stuff.

    A collage mixes images into a single image, although photo composite is probably a better term for the Hitler-Peterson image.

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  232. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous
    "post messages"

    Haha! you got me! Clumsy writing. I meant: they like the messages they hear while watching the many Youtube vids of his lectures/discussions/debates with others.

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  233. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much [higher] “fanaticism” quotient than many other grouops,

    Voltaire wrote about Jewish fanaticism:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/30/books/l-voltaire-and-the-jews-590990.html
    In his ”Letter of Memmius to Cicero” (1771), Voltaire, in the pose of an ancient Roman reporting on the Jews, wrote: ”They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”

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  234. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The old SAT Verbal test was a really good test of verbal IQ with an extremely high ceiling with only a few dozen people per year scoring 800 on it.

    The old SAT Verbal test was a really good test of verbal IQ with an extremely high ceiling with only a few dozen people per year scoring 800 on it.

    If this is so, they could be used to generate normal distribution (via nonlinear scaling) accurate up to above several SD’s.

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  235. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    I have come to the conclusion Jordan Peterson is either controlled opposition or a useful idiot. If he's not consciously part of a deception, in the very least he's only in the spotlight because powerful forces think he's useful. He'll disappear if they decide otherwise.

    Peterson has an organic following, but that's not so much political or even intellectual as it is a bunch of lost souls who need something a bit more substantial than popular culture can offer.

    The use of figures like Peterson to the Cathedral is that he can act as a net to catch falling libs. Ones sick of the PC nuthouse, who could possibly fall into the real right, and that can't be allowed. He also serves as gatekeeper to block Evul Natsees from the mainstream.

    The same ploy as Bill Buckley and the neocons, basically, except Peterson is by his own admission center-left. The only reason he's mistaken by anyone for being on the right is that the right has responded favorably to him embarrassing a dumb female journalist on the Gender Pay Gap issue and stood up to Pronoun Madness. They don't know anything more about him.

    But come on. He's a mentally ill Canadian professor obsessed with existentialism with giant paintings of communist heroes like Lenin hanging on the wall. He also preaches Holocaustianity non-stop, and warns his white students and acolytes that but for the Grace of God they could be S.S. officers torturing people to death for the heck of it.

    Ah, but in Leftland if you give aid and comfort to the enemy, you are "objectively" on their side. So it wouldn't matter of you've spent your entire life as a carrying your PC card in good standing, dues paid in full. The second you criticize PC enough for the right to notice, you're the enemy.

    That, or the left is merely pretending to up Peterson's street cred with Natsees. After all, this laughably phony Intellectual Dark Web nonsense must make enemies to the left in order for anyone to be tricked by it.

    But my hunch is the Forward! stuff is genuine. Peterson really stepped in it over the Jewish Question, which admittedly is a minefield for the most experienced politicos. Peterson ain't that. He's just a depressed professorial Nietzsche fanboy.

    Cardinal rule of politics is don't mention the Jew. If you should happen to, either be Jewish or have your PC credentials in perfect order. Peterson's credentials had been suspended and were under review for possible thoughtcrime against women and trannies.

    With that status, one simply cannot talk about Jews. Not even in order to call evul natsees kooky konspiracy theorists. And the way Peterson defended Jewish overrepresentation was incorrect. You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don't make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Insult to injury, Peterson destroyed his reputation on the right in the same instance. Not for being wrong on the Jewish Question persay, but for being dishonest and obviously lacking integrated. Though he was already on thin ice for deplatforming Faith Goldy.

    He has fallen between the proverbial stools.

    You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don’t make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Why not?

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    Because on the left, when they admit race at exists at all, race doesn't exist above the neck. Also, they rely on the Blank Slate theory. Hardwired genetic intelligence doesn't sit well with Blank Slate.

    Many, many people have been unpersoned on the altar of Blank Slate over I.Q. For instance, co-discoverer of the transistor and basically the man responsible for the Santa Clara Valley being known as Silicon Valley, William Shockley.
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  236. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The Theory 1 (popular to many on this blog) the Jewish Conspiracy drives everything. Theory 2 that Jews are on average smarter and we should be grateful to have smart people around. JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?

    Yeah, but you're not going to, because it's not entirely true.

    Sure, Jewish people are over-represented in science and mathematics and things like that because of their high IQ. I have noticed that very few people really have a problem with Jewish over-representatuon in the sciences.

    The problem people have is with the "influencers" in our societies. The people who run the media and publish the op-eds. The IQ explanation simply doesn't work here, because those people just aren't very smart. And you know they're not smart. You wouldn't be here, leaving comments in unz.com if you thought the Jews that are involved in our public discourse to such a huge extent were doing a good job.

    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?

    So, no. Intelligence may explain some, but that still doesn't mean there's not genuinely ethnic networking too.

    That's the problem Peterson won't touch.

    And, still, there's the problem that people like Peterson promote the idea that Jews are more successful than goyim because of their higher IQs, but still won't admit that whites are more successful than blacks because of our higher IQs. It's like, no matter what happens, whites have to get it from both sides.

    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?

    It may have been a disaster for the American nation. But it was good for the Jews.

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    It may have been a disaster for the American nation. But it was good for the Jews.

    If so, then that would lend credence to the "diabolical cabal" theory, wouldn't it?
    , @MBlanc46
    Who’s to say that they didn’t foresee the outcome? They wanted the US to overthrow the Iraqi regime. They got what they wanted.
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  237. Anon[560] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    What's not to like?

    https://twitter.com/antichimera/status/993248402472296448

    Oh dear. Where can I get some Holocaust DNA grafted and file for reparations?

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  238. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

    Perfect description, “Jewish berserkers”.

    After threats from the Jewish Defense League, Cole renounced his Holocaust denial in 1998,[5] changed his name to “David Stein”, and focused on other work.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cole_(journalist)

    In late 1997, a document entitled “David Cole: Monstrous Traitor” reportedly appeared on the Web site of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a Jewish extremist group. The JDL’s statement, attributed to Robert J. Newman, went far beyond criticizing Cole for denying the Holocaust, asserting in no uncertain terms that the JDL wished to “get rid” of him:

    Don’t you think it’s time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infesting society…An evil monster like this does not deserve to live on this earth.

    http://archive.is/NLsoB#selection-385.0-391.351

    They (Mossad, et al.) have co-opted, infiltrated or even founded/funded many Western, “controlled opposition”, anti-Muslim nationalist groups like the English Defence League (EDL), for example:

    Jewish Defense League Teams Up With Anti-Muslim Street Gang

    But Meir Weinstein, the head of the Canadian branch of the JDL disputes this. He says the group’s goals are aligned with those of the JDL — and claims they have disowned the more racist elements within their parent organization in Finland.

    Source: https://forward.com/fast-forward/371448/jewish-defense-league-teams-up-with-anti-muslim-street-gang/

    And Jordan Peterson is (indirectly) connected to all this through Ezra Levant: http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328812

    Geller’s speech will be followed by a one-on-one interview with Rebel Commander Ezra Levant of Rebel Media, “the only truthful media outlet daring to talk about radical Jihad and radical Islam,” according to the JDL promo. An exclusive “meet Pamela” dinner is also being organized the day before the Canada Christian College event. Tickets for the dinner are being sold at $180 a pop.
    [...]
    Geller was planning to attend a march of the far-right English Defence League. The British government’s decision was supported by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.

    https://nowtoronto.com/news/worlds-top-islamophobe-pamela-geller-to-speak-in-toronto/

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    F.B.I. SAYS JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE MAY HAVE PLANTED FATAL BOMBS

    ''But my own suspicion is that the Israeli Mossad had a hand in the thing,'' he said, referring to the Israeli secret service. ''They probably used J.D.L. local people who did the technical work on it, local terrorists.''
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/09/us/fbi-says-jewish-defense-league-may-have-planted-fatal-bombs.html
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  239. @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

    Also, that Jewish fanaticism is different from its spin-off Christian fanaticism in that the Jew actually is a small minority with so many cloistered into echo chambers like NYC, Miami Beach, Boca Raton, etc.

    How much of a factor do you think Jewish insecurity plays resulting from judaism’s overwhelming demographic failure relative to its two major spin-offs?

    Lastly, what do you think of my hypothesis posited in many other threads that Jews have a special strain of existentially self-defeating stupid (ie promoting immigration esp islamists and high IQ south and East Asians who will demographically swamp them) – are these the work of your berserkers?

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  240. Anon[560] • Disclaimer says:

    How many Peterson articles are we going to get at the Unz Review?

    Anyway, if he is attempting to debunk identity politics –a very, very good idea– then he’ll become an enemy of the foremost identitarians: jews. Not that white male identitarians will like him any better. But maybe they’ll get to hear they would do better to go get married and have kids –a Peterson message–, which in the end is the only thing that will perpetuate the white race.

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    Anyway, if he is attempting to debunk identity politics –a very, very good idea– then he’ll become an enemy of the foremost identitarians: jews. Not that white male identitarians will like him any better. But maybe they’ll get to hear they would do better to go get married and have kids –a Peterson message–, which in the end is the only thing that will perpetuate the white race.
     
    You seem to be implying a false dichotomy. "Let's escape the plantation, and have babies," said one slave to the other.
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  241. @Prof. Woland
    Jordan Peterson is interesting for the same reason James Damore is interesting. Both of them are willing to openly discuss the rotten nature of feminism in an intelligent and truthful manner. It is something that we hardly hear in this culture though it is desperately needed which is the reason people are shocked. It is certainly not because of their attractive looks.

    Tucker Carlson invited both of these guys on his show for the same reason. Men and whites are the last two identity groups to awaken and there is a massive upside potential to build an audience. He is doing the same thing with whites, and his show is wildly successful because of it. With both identity groups being the last frontier for marketers and politicians and I am sure this does not make some people happy. In fact, they are many of the ones who are most aware of the potential and fear it the most.

    Just as it has been said that Trump was the only guy in the room to pick up the $100 bill on the floor (immigration) we are waiting for someone to do the same with same thing with men's issues. The fact that there are people who are 'concerned' should not be surprising.

    A successful men’s rights movement would radically alter politics in this country and cause a major realignment not just for organized women’s groups, but all the other identity groups on the left that are in league with them. In one sense there is no reason that men would automatically tilt right the way women tilt left but something tells me that is how it would play out. Feminists have been radicalized for two generations now and without any competition or checks on their behavior they have had no reason to play fair. A modern, well lead, sophisticated, well funded men’s lobby would begin to push back inflicting a cost on women’s solipsistic behavior. Depending on how things shook out, men finally getting representation would either move women to the center if there was compromise or act as a counter balance if women stayed where they are; but either way, it would take some of the oxygen out of the left harming the most liberal identity groups the hardest.

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  242. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Actually, overcoming depression and leading a productive life is a huge feat. I have a lot of respect for people who fight depression every day of their lives. Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to. It's a very painful and debilitating condition, rooted in the neurochemistry of our brains. No laughing matter, believe me.

    Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to.

    Depressives’ brains are addicted to pain? What do you mean?

    What does surrendering to the pain entail?

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    This is just my theory : a chronically depressed person's brain finds itself in a short-circuited state, a loop if you will. Negative thoughts drown any other kind of thought. From that, it follows that the patient feels pain and cannot escape the pain caused by his negative thoughts, because his brain turns every input into a negative input.
    If the patient cannot break free from this negative thinking, it's not only because his brain is damaged, but also because in the long run the pain is addictive. In order to live with depression, you have to embrace the negativity and the pain. Or you can fight it, of course.
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  243. @Lot
    The SD of Ashkenazi IQ seems in the articles I have seen is usually around 15.

    Homogeneous groups you'd think would be a bit lower, but AJs have those unusual large-effect genes, which increases variation.

    Given that, maybe better to calculate the proportion above the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th SD, assuming the sample is large enough, and representative. The large-effect genes may skew the distribution.

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  244. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    The reality certain Jewish authors seem to want is to dominate high-status positions in society without anyone even noticing their dominance. Noticing Jewish over-representation is Peterson’s crime, it really doesn’t matter how he explains it.
     
    Jewish power requires secrecy, so it's no surprise that Jews instinctively demand it (i.e., developed a culture that says Jew-noticing is Jew-hating). If you ask people if they're okay with being dominated by a hostile elite, a Hell of a lot of them are going to say no.

    If everything's out in the open, you're already talking about a big hit to Jewish power before the conversation even starts.

    Without institutional capture of Whites via this weird form of consent via ignorance, Jews would be running something roughly the size of Vermont.

    Where is the consent through ignorance in this example?

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    Not sure what you mean.
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  245. utu says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.
     
    Look into TIRFs. OxyContin is weak sauce.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-insys-opioids-kickbacks.html

    Also, a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic” and/or any “new” phenomenon don’t you think? How long have humans been using opiates? How long have they been illegal/prescription only?

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link? How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain? Do you know the federal government is now dictating supply levels of pain medications and even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    https://khn.org/news/the-other-opioid-crisis-hospital-shortages-lead-to-patient-pain-medical-errors/view/republish/

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from? And now fentanyl and carfentanil (!! - the one to really watch) - from whence do they come?

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from?

    I always wondered about it that they would say that the opioid pain medication were gateway drugs to heroin abuse but would never follow up where the heroin is coming from and how come is so cheap. By reducing the availability of opioid pain medication will they reduce number of heroin ODs?

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    By reducing the availability of opioid pain medication will they reduce number of heroin ODs?
     
    Today’s Mexican heroin is stronger than yesterday’s Afghan heroin, plus the seizures today are heavily contaminated with fentanyl and carfentanil which makes it an order of magnitude more dangerous. Plus any halfwit with a tor browser and bitcoin can simply order fentanyl, carfentanil, or “research chems” online from China - delivered right to your home by the postal service. Stop that if you can. And how does one dose his illegal fentanyl? Who has microgram scales at home?

    This will burn itself out as such things always do. The moral issue isn’t the idiots who just wanna get high, it’s the millions in real pain left to either just suffer needlessly or to try self-treatment since there are no truly effective replacements for either severe pain or chronic pain. And of course the millions who aren’t medically managed through their physical withdrawal from previous opioid treatment.
    , @Lagertha
    Heroin comes from Mexico (the trafficking is run like a franchise in every state), often mixed with bad, deadly stuff. I think the whole opioid crisis was intentionally created to wipe out the Rust Belt people and all rural communities in the USA. Pushing Oxycontin first, on small towns was just the start. I don't see an end to the OD's at all.

    Liberal politicians suddenly pretend to care about the Deplorables 6 months before the election - so disgusting. There's a special place in hell for people who disparaged their constituents for not accepting the globalist agenda/for not accepting a bleak future yet now, desperately, dishonestly pretending that they care about these same people these days. People will spitefully vote against any Democrats...my prediction. Everything is going deeply underground; people are turtleling and the MSM, politicians, Universities can't reach them anymore. I see signs of this everywhere.
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  246. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    Perfect description, “Jewish berserkers”.

    After threats from the Jewish Defense League, Cole renounced his Holocaust denial in 1998,[5] changed his name to "David Stein", and focused on other work.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cole_(journalist)

    In late 1997, a document entitled "David Cole: Monstrous Traitor" reportedly appeared on the Web site of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a Jewish extremist group. The JDL's statement, attributed to Robert J. Newman, went far beyond criticizing Cole for denying the Holocaust, asserting in no uncertain terms that the JDL wished to "get rid" of him:

    Don't you think it's time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infesting society...An evil monster like this does not deserve to live on this earth.
     

    - http://archive.is/NLsoB#selection-385.0-391.351

    They (Mossad, et al.) have co-opted, infiltrated or even founded/funded many Western, "controlled opposition", anti-Muslim nationalist groups like the English Defence League (EDL), for example:

    Jewish Defense League Teams Up With Anti-Muslim Street Gang

    But Meir Weinstein, the head of the Canadian branch of the JDL disputes this. He says the group’s goals are aligned with those of the JDL — and claims they have disowned the more racist elements within their parent organization in Finland.

    Source: https://forward.com/fast-forward/371448/jewish-defense-league-teams-up-with-anti-muslim-street-gang/

    And Jordan Peterson is (indirectly) connected to all this through Ezra Levant: http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328812

    Geller's speech will be followed by a one-on-one interview with Rebel Commander Ezra Levant of Rebel Media, “the only truthful media outlet daring to talk about radical Jihad and radical Islam," according to the JDL promo. An exclusive "meet Pamela" dinner is also being organized the day before the Canada Christian College event. Tickets for the dinner are being sold at $180 a pop.
    [...]
    Geller was planning to attend a march of the far-right English Defence League. The British government's decision was supported by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
     

    - https://nowtoronto.com/news/worlds-top-islamophobe-pamela-geller-to-speak-in-toronto/

    F.B.I. SAYS JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE MAY HAVE PLANTED FATAL BOMBS

    ”But my own suspicion is that the Israeli Mossad had a hand in the thing,” he said, referring to the Israeli secret service. ”They probably used J.D.L. local people who did the technical work on it, local terrorists.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/09/us/fbi-says-jewish-defense-league-may-have-planted-fatal-bombs.html

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  247. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    The focus of Rebel Media’s criticism of Canada’s immigration policy is that it is letting in too many Muslims who criticize Israel too much. Canada’s neocons are getting worried and yearn for the days when Stephen Harper couldn’t stop praising Israel.
     
    Spot on!

    ...Jordan Peterson still appears on Ezra Levant’s show every now and then, I believe. That doesn’t necessarily make them neocons themselves but they are promoted by them, they travel in their circles and thus are part of the broader Neocon orbit, in my opinion
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-meet-the-renegades-of-the-intellectual-dark-web/#comment-2324975

    Here are Mr. Levant and Mr. Peterson in conversation:

    Jordan Peterson on the subject of anti-semitism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVDtICVwMA

    Here an even earlier Jewish sponsor/benefactor of Peterson's:

    A Reddit user has dug up an excerpt from the foreword of Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life which relates how a Canadian-Jewish TV producer named Wodek Szemberg hand-selected Peterson to be a “public intellectual.” Wodek, a producer for the popular Canadian public affairs show The Agenda, is said to be “the first to put Peterson in front of a camera” after recognizing his gift of the gab.

    https://i2.wp.com/alt-right.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/12-rules-peterso.png

    While this is not rock-solid proof of an organized Jewish conspiracy to elevate Peterson into his current guru role, it shows that Peterson was groomed by a Jewish television producer to lead public dissent against the radical left… lead it astray into the Jew-friendly dead end of classical liberalism. In one of his apologist videos about the Jewish question, Peterson himself attested to having a large social circle of Jewish friends and colleagues.

    Source: http://alt-right.com/2018/05/12/jordan-peterson-hand-selected-jewish-tv-producer-lead-dissent/ Archived link: http://archive.is/1WfLf

    Is Peterson’s wife Jewish?

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  248. Corvinus says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    Jordan Peterson is a rare cultural figure on the right that is having a large impact and poses a threat to the political left. The standard left-wing tactic is to push opposing viewpoints out of acceptable bounds or tie them to some horror like hate.

    The right needs to punch back against this tactic and expose it for the dirty trick that it is.

    Well, Alt Right leader Vox Day pretty much obliterated Peterson. Check out his newest “Darkstream”.

    Perhaps you can challenge Day by exposing this “dirty trick”. Good luck.

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    Well, Alt Right leader Vox Day pretty much obliterated Peterson. Check out his newest “Darkstream”.

    Perhaps you can challenge Day by exposing this “dirty trick”. Good luck.
     
    I read Vox Day's partial transcript blog post, and he seems to be making an incoherent argument. Peterson is a figure of the right and Vox Day looks like an exception on the right that doesn't like him.

    The Forward article cited looks like a left-wing piece trying to discredit Jordan Peterson because they seem him as a politically effective opponent. The Vox Day argument seems to be completely unrelated; they are both bashing Peterson, but for completely different reasons.

    I'd like to see better counters to the general left-wing tactic of discrediting reasonable opposing political views by branding them as outside the bounds of acceptable discourse.
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  249. Corvinus says:
    @Rapparee
    I read his book "SJWs Always Lie". He struck me as a reasonably bright guy with some valid insights on how to respond to activists- but also very clearly as someone more than a little unhinged and paranoid. Humility and self-reflection are not first amongst his virtues, though he surely has many others. For him to accuse someone like Dr. Peterson of intellectual dishonesty is rather absurd.

    “For him to accuse someone like Dr. Peterson of intellectual dishonesty is rather absurd.”

    You really need to read Day’s take on Peterson, who made mincemeat out of him. A lot to chew on. Perhaps you can offer a cogent rebuttal to Day’s assertions. It would make for great drama.

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  250. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    And how could all these supposedly smart guys like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle not see all the problems with the Iraq war that a goy like me could? What are the odds that everyone who planned that disaster was Jewish, considering how dumn it was?
     
    It may have been a disaster for the American nation. But it was good for the Jews.

    It may have been a disaster for the American nation. But it was good for the Jews.

    If so, then that would lend credence to the “diabolical cabal” theory, wouldn’t it?

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  251. Thursday says:
    @anon
    Sort of interesting you would mention this on a thread where so many people are talking about Vox Day, since his biggest brush with fame was writing a song that ended up on the soundtrack of the Mortal Kombat movie.

    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he’s often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he’s going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It’s the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What’s extra weird about this current jihad against the “utterly dishonest” Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

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    I'm not really arguing with you. He's certainly accomplished more than I have. Although I would still argue that around ten times as many people have seen the Mortal Kombat movie than have ever read a Castalia House novel, for better or worse. I can't say I'm very interested in fantasy novel series, though I did like his Owen Stanley reprints.

    I generally like the guy, although he has this weird need to do everything in the cringiest way possible. Like calling himself "Supreme Dark Lord", for example. It doesn't really take a whole lot of balls to go after crappy feminist authors. The majority of normal people agree with you, so this whole act like he's something unique and dangerous is a little silly. The whole "Mad Puppies" thing would probably have heen really cool if Joe Normie gave a crap about science fiction awards, but he doesn't, so it seemed a little pathetic to me. Like a nerdy kid trying his hardest to get the cool kids to admit that he was a cool guy, instead of just mocking them and pointing out how nobody cares what they think.

    SJWs Always Lie was OK, though it didn't really have anything in it that I didn't already know. But I guess it's probably good for people who haven't hung out in these weird corners of the web for the past decade or so.

    He's just a weird guy.
    , @Svigor

    What’s extra weird about this current jihad against the “utterly dishonest” Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!
     
    So, no big if you get a 50% raise, or not?
    , @jbwilson24
    "it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115"

    No, you are misrepresenting.

    The backlash against Peterson came when he excoriated and insulted people who asked him to explain his numbers. His math doesn't make sense, and he relies upon a study performed on a sample set to specialized that the author even warned that the results could not be extrapolated to the larger Jewish population.

    In response to questions about his computations, Peterson went on the attack and engaged in ad hominems.

    He was already on the wrong side of certain right wingers because of his love of Freud (i.e., he is an alleged anti-post-modernist who adores a charlatan whose stated goal was to undermine western civilization), and for turfing Faith Goldy from some speaking engagement.

    Instead of rationally addressing the issue, Peterson went reductionist and aggressive. He discounted other possibilities such as ethnic in-group preference, control of the banks (which together with Jewish clannishness would yield major financial advantages)....

    This is the guy who says that we have to learn to engage in dialogue unless we wish to have more strife, conflict and genocides.
    , @jbwilson24
    "Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity"

    You are mistaken. Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Peterson is a fraud.

    He tells young white males that they must not be proud of their race or their culture, and that they must not resort to nationalism. (Meanwhile he doesn't say the same thing to his Jewish friends, most of whom are excessively proud of their race and devoted to an ethno-state that is engaged in massacres).

    At the same time he is telling white males to be insular, clean their rooms and not have in-group preferences, he is sitting on UN working groups helping to polish off documents that justify the mass importation of third world savages into western countries.

    Don't be tribal, work on cleaning your room. Never mind that you are being outbred and invaded by Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs and Somalians. Never mind that your societies are pretty much locked up by a group that explicitly refers to itself as 'the tribe' and the 'chosen people of god'.

    Apart from the dubious philosophy and shoddy writing in his books, he is basically telling white males to not organize and fight for their interests. This is the reason that he is so popular with Jewish intellectuals.

    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don't realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.
    , @vinteuil

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity.

     

    VD denies being an Arian. The notion that he is seems to be a misunderstanding based on some remark he made somewhere that seemed to deny the trinity.

    Personally, I'd be more impressed with him if he were a follower of the "illstarred heresiarch."
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  252. Thursday says:
    @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

    Geography likely is a factor too. It helps to be concentrated in places like NYC.

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  253. Dissident says:
    @Rosie

    JP swinging people who might be sympathetic to Theory 1 to Theory 2 is bad for the Jews how?
     
    It's bad for Jews because they (you) have been telling us in no uncertain terms for decades now that we're all equal, and any outcome disparities must come down to foul play. You can't at once say, you outperform blacks and Hispanics because you cheat; we outperform you because we are superior.

    Well, you can, but some of the goyim will notice.

    Apropos, something I drafted as a comment to a Respectable site:

    To All Those, esp. Jews, Who Claim To Be So Concerned About ‘Diversity’ and ‘White Privilege’:

    If it is reasonable to demand, in the interest of such concerns, that women, ‘persons of color’ and members of various sexual minorities be favored over whites, males and heterosexuals, in both the public as well as the private sector, then—

    Would it be any less reasonable to at least question the overwhelming dominance of Jews in most of the upper tiers of both the public as well as the private sectors (i.e., business, finance, academia, government, etc.)? And even if (as the only politically correct explanation maintains) this staggeringly disproportionately high representation can be accounted for by nothing more than higher average IQ and a culture that values education and achievement, would it not be reasonable to at least consider whether quotas limiting the total number of Jews in certain fields might be warranted?

    I ask as a Jew myself– one who not that long ago would have reacted with the typical reflexive response to reading what I just wrote above: summary dismissal as mere “anti-Semitism” that is unworthy of any consideration. I have since, however, reluctantly come to the sobering and even alarming realization that these questions are actually most reasonable, valid and even urgent.

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  254. Svigor says:
    @Anon
    Where is the consent through ignorance in this example?

    Not sure what you mean.

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  255. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thursday
    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

    I’m not really arguing with you. He’s certainly accomplished more than I have. Although I would still argue that around ten times as many people have seen the Mortal Kombat movie than have ever read a Castalia House novel, for better or worse. I can’t say I’m very interested in fantasy novel series, though I did like his Owen Stanley reprints.

    I generally like the guy, although he has this weird need to do everything in the cringiest way possible. Like calling himself “Supreme Dark Lord”, for example. It doesn’t really take a whole lot of balls to go after crappy feminist authors. The majority of normal people agree with you, so this whole act like he’s something unique and dangerous is a little silly. The whole “Mad Puppies” thing would probably have heen really cool if Joe Normie gave a crap about science fiction awards, but he doesn’t, so it seemed a little pathetic to me. Like a nerdy kid trying his hardest to get the cool kids to admit that he was a cool guy, instead of just mocking them and pointing out how nobody cares what they think.

    SJWs Always Lie was OK, though it didn’t really have anything in it that I didn’t already know. But I guess it’s probably good for people who haven’t hung out in these weird corners of the web for the past decade or so.

    He’s just a weird guy.

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    Not disagreeing with you.
    , @Thursday
    Forgot about all the boasting about how alpha he is. His wife is very fit and has a pretty enough face, but she's hardly a knockout. More like the cute friend in some Julia Roberts movie.
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  256. Svigor says:
    @Anon
    How many Peterson articles are we going to get at the Unz Review?

    Anyway, if he is attempting to debunk identity politics --a very, very good idea-- then he'll become an enemy of the foremost identitarians: jews. Not that white male identitarians will like him any better. But maybe they'll get to hear they would do better to go get married and have kids --a Peterson message--, which in the end is the only thing that will perpetuate the white race.

    Anyway, if he is attempting to debunk identity politics –a very, very good idea– then he’ll become an enemy of the foremost identitarians: jews. Not that white male identitarians will like him any better. But maybe they’ll get to hear they would do better to go get married and have kids –a Peterson message–, which in the end is the only thing that will perpetuate the white race.

    You seem to be implying a false dichotomy. “Let’s escape the plantation, and have babies,” said one slave to the other.

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  257. res says:
    @Anonymous

    I also am unaware of evidence that a lot more people are scoring 145+ on the good IQ tests than predicted by a normal distribution. Nor of any evidence that raw scores on g-loaded tests have fat tails.
     
    From Jensen's classic 1969 article:
    "I indicated previously that the distribution of intelligence is really not quite "normal," but show certain systematic departures from "normality." And the figure that illustrates it: https://www.samtiden.com/sites/all/themes/drupal7/images/jensen02.jpg

    Thanks for that. The full Jensen article: https://www.samtiden.com/tbc/las_artikel.php?id=35

    Did Jensen ever quantify the magnitude of the differences from normality (say at 140, 150, 160 IQ) which he graphs? That the tails are even visible out there indicates a substantial difference (if expressed as a ratio of frequencies). For example a normal 145 (3SD) is 99.85 percentile while the solid curve looks closer to 99%.

    Jensen talks briefly about normality in The g Factor (pp. 102-103). I think this is an accurate summary position:

    Probably the best answer at present concerning the distribution of g is that, although we cannot determine it directly by any currently available means, it is a reasonable inference that it approximates the normal curve and there is no good reason for assuming that the distribution of g is not approximately normal, at least within the middle range of about four standard deviations.

    Do you have any sense of how homogeneous the populations Jensen considered were? How much of an impact might subpopulations have?

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  258. Svigor says:
    @Thursday
    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

    What’s extra weird about this current jihad against the “utterly dishonest” Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    So, no big if you get a 50% raise, or not?

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    The point is that average Ashkenazi IQ really is quite a bit more than the white average.
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  259. Dissident says:
    @Whitney
    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson. I don't read Voxday but there seemed to be a general consensus that he is super arrogant and couldn't stand the competition. I don't remember which post it was but it was recent

    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson.

    I see comments here from “Z-Man” and others from “The Z-Blog”. Are these the same individual or not?

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    I see comments here from “Z-Man” and others from “The Z-Blog”. Are these the same individual or not?
     
    No. I asked.
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  260. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Not many here would deny the higher Jewish IQ.

    The question is what effect does it have?

    Lots of Jewish mathematicians and physicists etc - good.

    Jewish ethnic hostility to Anglos driving the anti-white narrative in the media and academe - bad.

    Israel lobby - bad.

    Whether it’s good or bad for Jews depends on how one looks at it, or more to the point, which Jews look at it. If your primary goal as a Jew is to be affluent, comfortable and safe, anti-white activity by Jews is not a positive because it will provoke an unpleasant and maybe dangerous reaction. If your goal as a Jewish leader is ethnic cohesion, discipline and toughness of your on group, and you realize that a healthy herd needs to have the stragglers picked off once in a while, then you want Jews to be hated openly and even have a pogrom or whatnot once in a while. To that end, you probably figure that that Hitler guy went too far and killed too many, but you also figure that because of Hitler there is Israel today, so he’s a mixed enemy, unlike Jesus who was the real bastard. (In more ways than one, so sayeth the Talmud.) But he serves as a convenient totem of scapegoating so you have to curse him all the louder in public.

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  261. Thursday says:
    @Svigor

    What’s extra weird about this current jihad against the “utterly dishonest” Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!
     
    So, no big if you get a 50% raise, or not?

    The point is that average Ashkenazi IQ really is quite a bit more than the white average.

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    The point is that average Ashkenazi IQ really is quite a bit more than the white average.
     
    Except that there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence for this. Ashkenazi Jews certainly want us to believe this, and there's a certain type of sad IQ fetishist white nationalist who wants to believe it. It comes down to the fact that most of us believe the stuff we believe because it makes us feel good and suits our political purpose. No need to worry about pesky details like actual evidence.
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  262. Thursday says:
    @anon
    I'm not really arguing with you. He's certainly accomplished more than I have. Although I would still argue that around ten times as many people have seen the Mortal Kombat movie than have ever read a Castalia House novel, for better or worse. I can't say I'm very interested in fantasy novel series, though I did like his Owen Stanley reprints.

    I generally like the guy, although he has this weird need to do everything in the cringiest way possible. Like calling himself "Supreme Dark Lord", for example. It doesn't really take a whole lot of balls to go after crappy feminist authors. The majority of normal people agree with you, so this whole act like he's something unique and dangerous is a little silly. The whole "Mad Puppies" thing would probably have heen really cool if Joe Normie gave a crap about science fiction awards, but he doesn't, so it seemed a little pathetic to me. Like a nerdy kid trying his hardest to get the cool kids to admit that he was a cool guy, instead of just mocking them and pointing out how nobody cares what they think.

    SJWs Always Lie was OK, though it didn't really have anything in it that I didn't already know. But I guess it's probably good for people who haven't hung out in these weird corners of the web for the past decade or so.

    He's just a weird guy.

    Not disagreeing with you.

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  263. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    You admit the existence of I.Q. only as a last resort. You don’t make it the centerpiece of your argument.

    Why not?

    Because on the left, when they admit race at exists at all, race doesn’t exist above the neck. Also, they rely on the Blank Slate theory. Hardwired genetic intelligence doesn’t sit well with Blank Slate.

    Many, many people have been unpersoned on the altar of Blank Slate over I.Q. For instance, co-discoverer of the transistor and basically the man responsible for the Santa Clara Valley being known as Silicon Valley, William Shockley.

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  264. eah says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.
     
    Look into TIRFs. OxyContin is weak sauce.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-insys-opioids-kickbacks.html

    Also, a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic” and/or any “new” phenomenon don’t you think? How long have humans been using opiates? How long have they been illegal/prescription only?

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link? How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain? Do you know the federal government is now dictating supply levels of pain medications and even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    https://khn.org/news/the-other-opioid-crisis-hospital-shortages-lead-to-patient-pain-medical-errors/view/republish/

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin. Why? Where does our heroin come from? And now fentanyl and carfentanil (!! - the one to really watch) - from whence do they come?

    a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic”

    OxyContin is weak sauce.

    OxyContin: Pain Relief vs. AbuseIt’s the high content of oxycodone that makes OxyContin popular on the street. People who abuse the drug crush the tablet and swallow or snort it, or dilute it in water and inject it. This destroys the time-release mechanism so that the user gets the full effects of the narcotic. Users compare the high to the euphoria of heroin.

    How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    Too much no doubt.

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain?

    Who proposed doing that? — a nonsensical ‘red herring’.

    even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    Did you read the first sentence at your link? — Even as opioids flood American communities and fuel widespread addiction,…

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin.

    A quick search found more than I could possibly read.

    Where does our heroin come from?

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link?

    I couldn’t tell you if people in West Virginia are “despondent” or not, or if they are, why — my comment was about irresponsible drug companies (one in particular, controlled by Jews), wholesalers, etc etc, pushing enormous quantities of opioids, particularly into WV, when they must have known it was fueling abuse.

    Among the 50 states, WV ranks 49th in per capita income — only MS is lower.

    Stan d Mute

    Next time, just STFU.

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    Next time, just STFU.
     
    So you don’t know that most heroin in America comes from Mexico today, “opioids” includes both prescription and illegal product, that Fentanyl is a FAR bigger problem, that carfentanil is a FAR bigger problem still, that humans have used opium far longer than we have recorded history, that both our fentanyl and carfentanil “epidemics” are Chinese and cartel driven and effectively unstoppable due to potency, that OxyContin’s time release mechanism was reformed to prevent crushing (entirely) and make injection virtually impossible, that the FDA mandated massive reductions in supply of legally prescribed and irreplaceable pain medications for suffering patients, or that coinciding with your idiot graph the CDC issued guidance to doctors calling pain “the fifth vital sign” and demanding better pain treatments?

    But you are a real expert aren’t you?
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  265. @Thursday
    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

    “it was provoked by Peterson’s claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115″

    No, you are misrepresenting.

    The backlash against Peterson came when he excoriated and insulted people who asked him to explain his numbers. His math doesn’t make sense, and he relies upon a study performed on a sample set to specialized that the author even warned that the results could not be extrapolated to the larger Jewish population.

    In response to questions about his computations, Peterson went on the attack and engaged in ad hominems.

    He was already on the wrong side of certain right wingers because of his love of Freud (i.e., he is an alleged anti-post-modernist who adores a charlatan whose stated goal was to undermine western civilization), and for turfing Faith Goldy from some speaking engagement.

    Instead of rationally addressing the issue, Peterson went reductionist and aggressive. He discounted other possibilities such as ethnic in-group preference, control of the banks (which together with Jewish clannishness would yield major financial advantages)….

    This is the guy who says that we have to learn to engage in dialogue unless we wish to have more strife, conflict and genocides.

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    VD initially started denouncing Peterson as completely dishonest/a fraud etc. because Peterson maintained the 115 number. Since the actual number looks to be 110, I'm not terribly impressed with the Arian's reasons for saying this, especially since Arian approved figures like Milo, Cernovich, Alex Jones, Molyneux etc. have taken far more egregious liberties with the truth.

    (BTW, I tend to like Milo, Cernovich etc. I just take them with a big grain of salt. I even mostly like the Arian, when he's not throwing up tiresome bullshit like this.)
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  266. @Thursday
    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

    “Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity”

    You are mistaken. Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Peterson is a fraud.

    He tells young white males that they must not be proud of their race or their culture, and that they must not resort to nationalism. (Meanwhile he doesn’t say the same thing to his Jewish friends, most of whom are excessively proud of their race and devoted to an ethno-state that is engaged in massacres).

    At the same time he is telling white males to be insular, clean their rooms and not have in-group preferences, he is sitting on UN working groups helping to polish off documents that justify the mass importation of third world savages into western countries.

    Don’t be tribal, work on cleaning your room. Never mind that you are being outbred and invaded by Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs and Somalians. Never mind that your societies are pretty much locked up by a group that explicitly refers to itself as ‘the tribe’ and the ‘chosen people of god’.

    Apart from the dubious philosophy and shoddy writing in his books, he is basically telling white males to not organize and fight for their interests. This is the reason that he is so popular with Jewish intellectuals.

    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don’t realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.

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    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don’t realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.
     
    Not necessarily. This feigned attack on him may legitimize in the eyes of idiots on the side to make them think the Peterson actually is trying to pry the lid off.
    , @Thursday
    Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Nope. I've watched a lot of Peterson and he has never explicitly said he isn't a Christian. That's a (hostile) inference from the Arian.
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  267. @Ron Unz

    AFAICT, Jewish success in the USA is due to a mix of:

    1. high IQ (similar median IQ to that of upper middle class non-Jewish white groups), particularly high verbal ability,
    2. high drive/pushiness, and
    3. relatively high in-group preference (similar to that of the ‘men with gold chains’ ethnic groups).

     

    Actually, I think there's also another factor, at least as important as any of these, namely the existence of a sizeable number of what might be called "Jewish berserkers," namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior, while often taking quiet actions to avoid the risk of such explosions. As an example, I quote a couple of paragraphs from my Meritocracy analysis:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    I suspect that the combined effect of these separate pressures, rather than any planned or intentional bias, is the primary cause of the striking enrollment statistics that we have examined above. In effect, somewhat dim and over-worked admissions officers, generally possessing weak quantitative skills, have been tasked by their academic superiors and media monitors with the twin ideological goals of enrolling Jews and enrolling non-whites, with any major failures risking harsh charges of either “anti-Semitism” or “racism.” But by inescapable logic maximizing the number of Jews and non-whites implies minimizing the number of non-Jewish whites.
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    I suspect that Jews tend to have a much "fanaticism" quotient than many other grouops, and obviously the heavily Jewish MSM both gives these "berserkers" a powerful platform and probably tends to also foster their fanaticism.

    Thanks Ron. Obviously you are right the berserkers exist; and I see how they contribute to Jewish over-enrolment in elite Universities. Can this though be distinguished from general in-group preference (the Jewish admissions lady at Harvard) as a significant contributor to Jewish success/dominance in the USA? Some other groups have their berserkers without being particularly successful, eg Australia has berserkers on behalf of the Aborigines, people with small amounts of Aborigine ancestry who identify as Aborigine and make a career of persecuting any whiff of criticism of ‘their’ group. They don’t seem to contribute to Aborigine success at all, perhaps more the reverse.

    But you may be right – does graduating from the Ivy League provide a sort of blank cheque to taking a dominant position (cultural/political/economic) in the USA? If so it seems much more important than even Oxbridge here in the UK.

    More generally – I’ve interacted a couple times with New York Jewish lawyers, and been struck by their incredible level of verbal aggression, they really come in with all guns blazing in a way that easily overwhelms a WASP type like me, we just shut down. The berserkers draw on this tradition. I can see how this results in an ethos of no criticism – but then you can’t criticise African-Americans either; so again this may be a necessary but not sufficient factor.

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    They're motivated. You're apathetic. It's that simple.

    If whites like you rediscover your motivation, such behavior won't work.
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  268. @anon
    I dunno. There's almost no one with an IQ below, say, 50. That's literally too stupid to live (as a human). But there are plenty of people with IQs above 150. If it were symmetric then there should be equal numbers, but IQ is definitely skew positive.

    Peter's point about taking conclusions based on calculations at the tails with a grain of salt still stands.

    I recall at least one of Richard Lynn’s Nation/Race/IQ books put the San population group median IQ at 54. It was the lowest IQ in the book. The San seem to do pretty well in their environment.

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  269. utu says:
    @jbwilson24
    "Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity"

    You are mistaken. Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Peterson is a fraud.

    He tells young white males that they must not be proud of their race or their culture, and that they must not resort to nationalism. (Meanwhile he doesn't say the same thing to his Jewish friends, most of whom are excessively proud of their race and devoted to an ethno-state that is engaged in massacres).

    At the same time he is telling white males to be insular, clean their rooms and not have in-group preferences, he is sitting on UN working groups helping to polish off documents that justify the mass importation of third world savages into western countries.

    Don't be tribal, work on cleaning your room. Never mind that you are being outbred and invaded by Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs and Somalians. Never mind that your societies are pretty much locked up by a group that explicitly refers to itself as 'the tribe' and the 'chosen people of god'.

    Apart from the dubious philosophy and shoddy writing in his books, he is basically telling white males to not organize and fight for their interests. This is the reason that he is so popular with Jewish intellectuals.

    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don't realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.

    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don’t realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.

    Not necessarily. This feigned attack on him may legitimize in the eyes of idiots on the side to make them think the Peterson actually is trying to pry the lid off.

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  270. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    Like alcoholics, a depressive person is always a small mistep from surrendering to the pain his brain is addicted to.

    Depressives' brains are addicted to pain? What do you mean?

    What does surrendering to the pain entail?

    This is just my theory : a chronically depressed person’s brain finds itself in a short-circuited state, a loop if you will. Negative thoughts drown any other kind of thought. From that, it follows that the patient feels pain and cannot escape the pain caused by his negative thoughts, because his brain turns every input into a negative input.
    If the patient cannot break free from this negative thinking, it’s not only because his brain is damaged, but also because in the long run the pain is addictive. In order to live with depression, you have to embrace the negativity and the pain. Or you can fight it, of course.

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  271. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    When Flynn wrote to Jensen in the 1970s, Jensen came back with four challenges, which over a period of years Flynn largely met to Jensen's satisfaction. It's a pretty encouraging story in the history of science, although you seldom hear about.

    My theory is that a big part of the Flynn Effect is a change in the type of thinking that cultures nourish toward something more like what IQ tests, especially de-culturized one like the Raven's, test. Programming your VCR is more like what IQ tests test than, say, reading Tennyson. The Flynn Effect tends to be bigger on the more technical than the more culture-loaded subtests.

    In other words, the early IQ guys like Louis Terman were right about the direction the world would move under later guys like his son Fred Terman, the Father of Silicon Valley.

    James Thompson had a column last summer about a paper where they dug into historical IQ tests and classified sub tests by g loading. I remember something about “digit spans,” if you want to search for it. Upshot, no Flynn Effect for g loaded stuff, but yes for low g loaded sub tests.

    On the other hand, I have bought vintage hats and have visited museums with war paraphernalia. Heads have grown. Have brains grown? Would that raise IQ?

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  272. AaronB says:
    @Simon in London
    Thanks Ron. Obviously you are right the berserkers exist; and I see how they contribute to Jewish over-enrolment in elite Universities. Can this though be distinguished from general in-group preference (the Jewish admissions lady at Harvard) as a significant contributor to Jewish success/dominance in the USA? Some other groups have their berserkers without being particularly successful, eg Australia has berserkers on behalf of the Aborigines, people with small amounts of Aborigine ancestry who identify as Aborigine and make a career of persecuting any whiff of criticism of 'their' group. They don't seem to contribute to Aborigine success at all, perhaps more the reverse.

    But you may be right - does graduating from the Ivy League provide a sort of blank cheque to taking a dominant position (cultural/political/economic) in the USA? If so it seems much more important than even Oxbridge here in the UK.

    More generally - I've interacted a couple times with New York Jewish lawyers, and been struck by their incredible level of verbal aggression, they really come in with all guns blazing in a way that easily overwhelms a WASP type like me, we just shut down. The berserkers draw on this tradition. I can see how this results in an ethos of no criticism - but then you can't criticise African-Americans either; so again this may be a necessary but not sufficient factor.

    They’re motivated. You’re apathetic. It’s that simple.

    If whites like you rediscover your motivation, such behavior won’t work.

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    No, it is not just motivation. It is disregard for some behaviors and some inhibitions. Perhaps one could make a list of of inhibitions that Jews unlike gentiles are free from.
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  273. eah says:
    @eah
    a bit of skepticism is in order whenever the MSM pronounces an “epidemic”

    https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/styles/content_image_landscape/public/fig1test51414.jpg

    OxyContin is weak sauce.

    OxyContin: Pain Relief vs. Abuse -- It's the high content of oxycodone that makes OxyContin popular on the street. People who abuse the drug crush the tablet and swallow or snort it, or dilute it in water and inject it. This destroys the time-release mechanism so that the user gets the full effects of the narcotic. Users compare the high to the euphoria of heroin.

    How much of that Oxy was paid for by Medicaid/Medicare?

    Too much no doubt.

    What happens when you take away the only form of relief from folks who have suffered years or decades of pain?

    Who proposed doing that? -- a nonsensical 'red herring'.

    even hospitals are having supply issues on fundamental palliative treatments?

    Did you read the first sentence at your link? -- Even as opioids flood American communities and fuel widespread addiction,...

    Lastly, notice (!) that there just don’t seem to be many articles on heroin.

    A quick search found more than I could possibly read.

    Where does our heroin come from?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

    And why might West Virginians have been despondent generally during the six years cited in your link?

    I couldn't tell you if people in West Virginia are "despondent" or not, or if they are, why -- my comment was about irresponsible drug companies (one in particular, controlled by Jews), wholesalers, etc etc, pushing enormous quantities of opioids, particularly into WV, when they must have known it was fueling abuse.

    Among the 50 states, WV ranks 49th in per capita income -- only MS is lower.

    Stan d Mute

    Next time, just STFU.
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  274. Altai says:
    @Anon7
    So, The Forward has a monthly circulation of maybe 25,000?

    I've read the piece that Peterson wrote that was partly quoted here. He does a back of the envelope calculation based on the idea that if white Americans have 100 IQ, and genius IQ is 145, that's three standard deviations, and so about 1 in 1000 (99.9 percentile) is somewhere on the "genius" scale. Multiply that by 200 million white people and you get about 200,000 white people geniuses.

    For Ashkenazi Jews, assume a 115 IQ as average. To get to 145 IQ, that's only 2 standard deviations, about 97.6 percentile, so about 2.4 Ashkenazi Jews in 100 have a genius IQ. There are about six million American Jews, and if you assume they're all Ashkenazi, that's about 140,000 Jews with genius IQs.

    If you recall stats that show things like 40 percent of American billionaires are Jews, the above back of the envelope calculation shows that's about what you'd expect. That is, if the "You're so smart, how come you're not rich?" wisecrack is true.

    Anyway, everyone on campus wants a piece of Peterson, because he states the truth as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. So, since he puts a psychometric foundation under Jewish achievement (rather than worldwide cabals), now he's apparently an anti-semite, along with an anti-feminist, an anti-marxist, an anti-PC activist, etc. etc.

    Peterson is actually a fairly conventional conservative libertarian Christian. Absolutely everything he says is inline with that including all the blindspots. (Some of which are fantastically autistic)

    What’s unique about him is he is a philosophy lecturer so there’s lot of video of him on YouTube. He is also very charismatic with a good speaking voice but understated, making him somebody people are inclined to listen to. His essential exasperation is something people relate to as he takes relatively easy shots at the extremes of SJWism.

    If it weren’t for his public stance against calling a student by non-conventional pronouns he wouldn’t be famous.

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    But he's not a Christian (judging from his public statements) nor a libertarian and dubiously conservative
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  275. Jordan Peterson is Irish and Norwegian and Canadian. That’s all I need to know to disregard every frigging thing he says.

    Jordan Peterson’s rise to corporate media fame is a direct result of the globalizer Jews having disproportionate power over the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    Jordan Peterson’s role as a propaganda whore for media Jews is to convince young European Christians that they have no group interests and that they should continue to allow Jews in the corporate media to set the agenda for what is and is not talked about in the corporate media.

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    What you infer about JP's purpose (reaching out to young men) smells fishy to me, too. His subtle flip-flopping about group interests, nationalism, Christianity, identity obsession, individualism, authoritarianism, etc., in many of his lectures, was confusing because simultaneously, in other lectures he likes to rip apart feminists and gender issues (with no flip-flopping). It does seem like he tries to draw young men in (with the gender/anti-women/anti-liberal talk) but then tries to convince young men that they just need to conform to a new, global culture that hates white Christian men. The flip-flopping is always a sign of someone who is being controlled.
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  277. SMK says: • Website
    @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Addressing Jewish influence from a scientific perspective takes true courage. Peterson didn’t know what he was getting himself into by becoming the “scientific realist” du jour, and his courage is lacking. The low hanging fruit—obvious, socially significant effects of testosterone and estrogen production differences between men and women—Peterson can handle. Actual attack by an aggressive ethno-racial group with tremendous power tests Peterson’s spine.

    Peterson “attributes that alleged influence to Jewish intelligence -an old anti-Semitic dog whistle. ” “Alleged influence”! So Jewish elites have no power and influence and Jews on average are no more intelligent than blacks. Does he actually believe this? If so, he’s psychotic, totally delusional, completely estranged from objective reality. Or is he lying to combat the evil and bane of Jew hatred, which is everywhere, and to prevent the rise of a Nazi-like regime in the United States. I think the latter is far more plausible. These people are so paranoid that their fear and hatred of white gentiles en-mass as “Nazis” and jew haters would be risible if it weren’t so pernicious and catastrophic, given their power and influence.

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    ...and Jews on average are no more intelligent than blacks. Does he actually believe this?
     
    Does anybody even say this?

    It's one thing to say Jews are no smarter than anybody else. It's quite another, quantitatively if not qualitatively, to say they're no smarter than blacks.

    Say this to some of your Jewish acquaintances and report the results to us, please. Once you've wiped up the mess from the cranial explosions.

    Steve has noticed that his true crime is having noticed.
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  278. Tulip says:

    Its pretty hilarious, the Left yada-yada on white over-representation all the time, but notice Jewish over-representation and its Deja Vu, the Holocaust. Not to mention, Jewish over-representation is much more of a thing, as going from 1.6% baseline to anything in the double digits is going to give serious multiples compared to a 60% baseline.

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  279. vinteuil says:
    @Dissident

    The z-man blog had a comment thread abour Vox day attacking Peterson.
     
    I see comments here from "Z-Man" and others from "The Z-Blog". Are these the same individual or not?

    I see comments here from “Z-Man” and others from “The Z-Blog”. Are these the same individual or not?

    No. I asked.

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    Thank you. It's quite confusing, as "The Z Blog"s web site is thezman.com
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  280. @Thea
    Hyrax I don't get it either. Peterson eencourages young men to not appologize or back down. his lectures on Disney archetypes are maybe scientifically bogus but entertaining. At least he is a public figure encouraging masculinity and standing for principles. He actually believes what he says.

    Peterson actually doesn’t believe what he says. He disinvited Faith Goldy from the college free speech event for appearing as a guest on an ethno-nationalist podcast, while he himself appeared on an ethno-nationalist (Tara McCarthy) podcast.

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  281. Brutusale says:
    @eah
    How the American opiate epidemic was started by one pharmaceutical company

    Purdue Parma is controlled by the Jewish Sackler family.

    Go out and get Dreamland by Sam Quinones, read it, and report back what you’ve learned.

    http://www.samquinones.com/books/dreamland/

    There’s plenty of blame to go around.

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    Go out and get Dreamland by Sam Quinones, read it, and report back what you’ve learned.
     
    He thinks Vice is an authoritative source.
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  282. vinteuil says:
    @Thursday
    RE: Vox Day

    I like SJWs Always Lie, thought his Rapid Puppies (and Scalzi-baiting) antics were amusing and am glad that he has made a go of Castalia House.

    On the other hand he's often a tiresome braggart: his high IQ, how he is a better fantasy novelist than George R.R. Martin (a generally obnoxious liberal, but touched by the fire of the gods nonetheless), how he's going to write a literary novel on par with Murakami. (The latter two are completely delusional.)

    In reality, he has written a song the ended up on the Mortal Combat soundtrack, designed a couple reasonably successful video games, had a syndicated web column, written a pretty good book on contemporary politics and started a reasonably successful small press. It's the kind of career you would expect from really smart, immensely hardworking guy who utterly lacks any trace of genius.

    What's extra weird about this current jihad against the "utterly dishonest" Jordan Peterson is that it was provoked by Peterson's claim that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 115 when in fact it looks like their average IQ is more like 110. Let the heavens fall!

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity. Geez.

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity.

    VD denies being an Arian. The notion that he is seems to be a misunderstanding based on some remark he made somewhere that seemed to deny the trinity.

    Personally, I’d be more impressed with him if he were a follower of the “illstarred heresiarch.”

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    He wrote a whole blog post at his blog harshly denouncing trinitarianism as un-Biblical. I am not aware that he has renounced that blog post.
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  283. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    I liken Jewish success, domination of the American mass media, academic and financial elite to Italian American mafia domination of organized crime from the 1920s-1980s. Other ethnic and racial, religious groups certainly participated in American organized crime, but on the top – particularly in the NorthEast – Italian American mafia families dominated.

    Why?

    Italian Americans had certain talents that made them very good at organized crime, but they also were very ethno centric and pushed out others who weren’t Italian Americans. Jews had their own organized crime groups for a period like “murder incorporated” but Jews tended to work with, under the Italians like Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky etc.

    Hollywood and other American media have always had a lot of Jewish people involved – and lots of great movies were produced and people made a lot of $ money and most Americans were happy or OK with the system.

    Now Hollywood is dominated, monopolized by a very ethno centric Jewish media mafia – these people hate us and the movies reflect this hate. Jewish Hollywood media mafia works closely with the hard core porn industry – reflecting another bad stereotype that Jews dominate the White slavery/prostitution business.

    We used to have a lot of restrictions on this Hollywood cult marxist, degenerate porn industry/mafia – things like the Hayes code, McCarthyism. Now all restraints have been removed and it is we who are being censored, deplatformed.

    Watch what happened to anyone non Jewish who just “Notices” Jewish domination of Hollywood/the American media – careers ruined, personal lives destroyed.

    Maybe some patriotic Jewish American will break up the Jewish media mafia the same way Giuliani broke up the Italian Mafia.

    But maybe not – maybe we’re going under a period like the first 20 years of the Soviet Union where “Anti Semitism” just noticing the Jewish domination of Bolshevik terror carried the death penalty.

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  284. vinteuil says:
    @VD
    No, it is not because he has rational explanations for human behavior. It is because I correctly scented the unmistakable aroma of bullshit and sulfur, looked into it, and discovered the following:

    1. He's an intellectual fraud.
    2. He is pushing an evil philosophy on the unsuspecting and the unsophisticated.
    3. He is NWO.
    4. He de-platformed Faith Goldy for her associations, but is connected to John Podesta and the UN.
    5. His 12 Laws book should be subtitled "A Beginner's Guide to Spirit Cooking"

    Vox Day – in your latest post on Jordan Peterson, you write as follows:

    “Anyone who is going [to] tell me that I should not take pride in the tradition that my grandfather established for me, for my brothers, and for my children, can go to Hell. I have nothing but utter contempt for that attitude.”

    This is a mistake. It all depends on one’s conception of “pride.” On some understandings of the word, one can only reasonably take pride in one’s own accomplishments – i.e., in things that one has earned, and that do one credit.

    So, for example, one cannot reasonably take pride in one’s genetic endowments, since one did nothing to earn or to deserve them. One can only reasonably take pride in what one has chosen to do with ones endowments. Similarly, one cannot reasonably take pride in the accomplishments of one’s ancestors, since, again, one did nothing to earn or to deserve those accomplishments.

    One can and should, of course, respect and admire those accomplishments, look up to them as an example, seek to emulate them, and so on. But take “pride” in them? On this view, that’s just to misunderstand the nature of proper pride. This seems to be more or less where Peterson is coming from.

    Do you really believe that to think of “pride” in this way is evil and depraved? That just seems kind of crazy.

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  285. Thursday says:
    @jbwilson24
    "Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity"

    You are mistaken. Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Peterson is a fraud.

    He tells young white males that they must not be proud of their race or their culture, and that they must not resort to nationalism. (Meanwhile he doesn't say the same thing to his Jewish friends, most of whom are excessively proud of their race and devoted to an ethno-state that is engaged in massacres).

    At the same time he is telling white males to be insular, clean their rooms and not have in-group preferences, he is sitting on UN working groups helping to polish off documents that justify the mass importation of third world savages into western countries.

    Don't be tribal, work on cleaning your room. Never mind that you are being outbred and invaded by Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs and Somalians. Never mind that your societies are pretty much locked up by a group that explicitly refers to itself as 'the tribe' and the 'chosen people of god'.

    Apart from the dubious philosophy and shoddy writing in his books, he is basically telling white males to not organize and fight for their interests. This is the reason that he is so popular with Jewish intellectuals.

    The Forward is apparently staffed by idiots who don't realize that he is keeping a lid on possible white resistance to mass immigration and disenfranchisement.

    Peterson is not a Christian at all. He said so explicitly. For him, the Bible is a source of myth and narrative. That is all.

    Nope. I’ve watched a lot of Peterson and he has never explicitly said he isn’t a Christian. That’s a (hostile) inference from the Arian.

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  286. MarcB. says:
    @eah
    What's not to like?

    https://twitter.com/antichimera/status/993248402472296448

    In case you’re not keeping track: the Holocaust is genetic, but IQ isn’t.

    Nice summation of the ridiculousness. The consensus is that Genetic IQ is a factor in sperm/egg donation and Down’s Syndrome, but is fluid in every other scenario. These are the same folks who gloat about Christians being anti-science.

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  287. Thursday says:
    @vinteuil

    Not to mention the irony of an Arian calling out JP for his deviations from historic Christianity.

     

    VD denies being an Arian. The notion that he is seems to be a misunderstanding based on some remark he made somewhere that seemed to deny the trinity.

    Personally, I'd be more impressed with him if he were a follower of the "illstarred heresiarch."

    He wrote a whole blog post at his blog harshly denouncing trinitarianism as un-Biblical. I am not aware that he has renounced that blog post.

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    Go here:

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/mcrapey-tries-theology.html

    and search for "arian."
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  288. ohmy says:
    @Rod1963
    Spot on.

    Peterson's main sin has been to notice things and speak of them in a truthful no BS manner. Which the Left. The Tribes hates him for that even if he never said squat about them. The very fact that young white men(and women listen to him) and he's about empowering them, so it makes him public enemy of the Left and the Tribe,

    The problem is the Left is composed of intellectual idiots and have no real way of countering him except to riot. The tribesmen who go after him wouldn't last 5 minutes in a public debate because their hatred is based outright lies and pathological hatred of goys.

    The tribesmen have the IQ, but lack the intellectual honesty and fortitude for a one on one debate. So they do what this dirt bag hipster looking punk does - character assassination that would make Goebbels proud.

    Deborah Lipstadt oozes of a racism. An evil woman who was selected to spend her life making other’s lives miserable, through lies and, litigation and, she loves her work. She is an history denier with a bottomless war chest donated by Hollywood guys like Steven Spielberg, a man who if he gets his way will make it mandatory that our school age children study the holocaust, from his point of view. I don’t believe Debbie and, Spielberg have enough cash to undo the damage their leader Benji the NutyYAHOO does to Israel’s reputation every day.
    Maybe the pair should study; why Jews have been thrown out of over 70 countries. Now with a country of their own and, a little power we’re witnessing first hand how the Zionist Jews really think and, behave.

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