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Foreign Policy: "Poland Isn't a Democracy" Because It Takes Democratic Elections Seriously, or Something

From Foreign Policy:

Poland isn’t a democracy and it never was

Seán Hanley and James Dawson, (c) 2016, Foreign Policy

One election, it seems, really can change everything.

Once feted for having bucked both the populist trend and the global recession, Poland is facing international condemnation. Recent moves by the Law and Justice government have come straight out of the playbook shared by the likes of Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban. It’s moved quickly to neuter the constitutional court; to take control of the state media; to defund unfriendly NGOs or regulate them into irrelevance; to put its own people in charge of public institutions; and has given every sign of being prepared to ride out waves of protests and ignore international criticism.

In other words, there was an election in Poland and the party that won a majority of the seats has taken control and hired its supporters for key jobs, such as in the state media. The elected government even stopped giving taxpayer money to the losing party’s pet NGOs!

That kind of Jacksonian behavior is completely undemocratic. As everybody knows from seeing Hamilton (you have seen Hamilton, haven’t you?), the essence of democracy is unchecked lifetime employment of, by, and for elites.

 
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  1. Yes, I’ve noted before, “democracy” is

    1) Openness to immigration
    2) Pro-gay
    3) Giving unaccountable liberals powe

    As France, the Netherlands, and Germany show, putting your opponents on trial is not “anti-democratic” as long as it’s to fight the “far right.”

    Sort of like how America is still a democracy with liberal norms even though leftists ban conservatives from speaking on college campuses and hound them out of business. If the state was looking the other way while conservatives were doing the same to liberals, there would be widespread agreement that we do not live in a free country.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Sort of like how America is still a democracy with liberal norms even though leftists ban conservatives from speaking on college campuses and hound them out of business."

    American colleges a.k.a Little North Koreas.

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  2. I used to think our ruling class was of a double mind about democracy, praising it out of one side of their mouths, dampening it out of the other. Which became obvious whenever they invoked the curse-word “politics,” poltics being the practice or result of democracy. But I’ve come to realize they don’t like it at all. It’s just a tool, and if it doesn’t get the results they want or expect, to hell with it.

    I feel the same way, only I have no power and don’t mind being called a reactionary. Progressivism isn’t reactionary, by definition, but they “progressed” past democracy long ago.

  3. I think the US will let all of this slide though, since Poland is anti-Putin/pro-NATO and very supportive of Israel’s rightwing government.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I don't know about that. How do you explain this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-us-troops-nato-mission-poland-message-obama-putin-a7517281.html

    Sending US troops is a clear message that there's so much the US government will tolerate. Bring on the Gay parades and endless rapefugees!
    , @Anon 2
    There is no question that one reason why the
    Law and Justice Party returned to power was
    Russia's annexation of Crimea. This was a big deal
    in 2014 . When countries feel threatened, they generally
    turn right politically. Another reason was similar to
    why Trump won in the U.S. : most of the economic gains
    since Poland joined the EU went to the upper strata of the
    society, and not enough to the working class.

    But here's why the Eurocrats are really worried:

    1. Law and Justice, the reigning party in Poland,
    is Catholic whereas the EU elite are militant atheists.
    Poland's prime minister is a woman, Beata Szydlo,
    but the real power is held by the éminence grise, Jaroslaw
    Kaczynski, and he is a conservative Catholic. By the way,
    it was reported that Theresa May and Beata Szydlo really
    hit it off when they first met, and Britain will need Poland as
    an ally when conducting Brexit talks.

    2. Law and Justice is totally against refugee resettlement.

    3. But most important, Law and Justice is eurocautionary
    (not euroskeptical), in fact it remains the largest group of the
    Eurocationaries in the EU (unless Marine Le Pen wins in
    France), and without Law-and-Justice ruled Poland, the
    Eurocautionaries would have no chance of carrying out their
    proposals, esp. decentralization. Poland has a long tradition
    of decentralization. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which
    ceased to exist in 1795) was a federal republic, like the U.S.,
    and was highly decentralized (too decentralized since it was
    surrounded by absolute monarchies)
  4. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    My sincere hope (and a gut feeling) is that the Poles won’t listen to these “criticisms”. In fact, there are two parts in the Polish society now – pro Polish and pro Western. It’s time for the pro Polish one to rule now.

    Another issue, not mentioned above, is the fact that Poland’s prime minister wants to tax international banks and other global players. Namely, there are signs of protectionist economics (something that countries in Scandinavia, for example, have long since been doing to preference their local companies). The Poles have decided to stand up for themselves, to do better for themselves and certain powers in the West don’t like it.

    There is democracy in Poland. Poland is not Russia or Belarus. This whole “not democratic / illiberal” meme is just another one like “racist”, “antiSemite”, etc., used to label political opponents.

  5. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    If the winning party had done all that(and grabbed even more power) and pushed the globalist agenda, Foreign Policy would be saying Poland is the best democracy in the world.

    When globalists measure democracy, they care less about the rules than the road. It’s all about where the nation is headed. If they follow the path of globalism, they can break every rule. They are ‘democracies’. But if democratic means leads to counter-globalism, it is ‘undemocratic’.

    “If you obey us, you’re human. If you disobey us, you’re inhuman. If you heed our orders, you are free. If you go your own way, you’re unfree.”

    The real complaint is that Poland won’t be a good globocracy.

  6. Hamilton actually happened in real life. It’s ending is a little different than the play though. But it has a name:

    Liberia

  7. every sign of being prepared to ride out waves of protests and ignore international criticism

    An elected government having to face “waves of protests” and endless sanctimonious criticism from the soi disant great and good of the “international community”. Sound familiar?

    Unsurprising, since it’s a common feature of almost every election in which relatively conservative or nationalist parties or individuals win power, from Trump in the US to Poland, Russia in 2011, and even Iran at the time of the “Green revolution” regime change attempt.

  8. Poland has always been an absolute poison for whoever owned her. This time around she is beginning to work her magic on her present owners, the EU and NATO. Hence cri de coeur which is this article. Dear EUrocrats, it’s only going to get worse.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    We Hungarians used to joke in the nineties that in ww1 we were part of the Central Powers and lost, then in ww2 we joined the Axis and they lost, then we were made part of the Warsaw Pact and then it lost, now we were heading to join NATO and the EU, so they were probably heading for disaster, too. It was obvious we weren't going to be a great asset.
  9. Recent moves by the Law and Justice government have come straight out of the playbook shared by the likes of Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban

    So, at Foreign Policy, a “strongman” is a politician who repeatedly wins democratic elections by landslides, and who, before that, patiently built a democratic coalition while respecting the results of an election he narrowly lost.

    From the Wikipedia entry for Viktor Orban:

    [Orban's party] narrowly lost the 2002 and 2006 elections to the Socialist Party, and Orbán spent eight years as the leader of the opposition. The Socialists’ rising unpopularity, exacerbated by PM Ferenc Gyurcsány’s “Őszöd speech”, saw Orbán reelected to the premiership in 2010 in a landslide coalition victory (with the Christian Democrats). At the helm of a parliamentary supermajority, Orbán’s cabinet spearheaded major constitutional and legislative reforms, which drew criticism from opposition parties and foreign observers. Fidesz retained its supermajority in the 2014 elections, though by-elections have reduced this to a simple majority since.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1n

  10. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    My sincere hope (and a gut feeling) is that the Poles won't listen to these "criticisms". In fact, there are two parts in the Polish society now - pro Polish and pro Western. It's time for the pro Polish one to rule now.

    Another issue, not mentioned above, is the fact that Poland's prime minister wants to tax international banks and other global players. Namely, there are signs of protectionist economics (something that countries in Scandinavia, for example, have long since been doing to preference their local companies). The Poles have decided to stand up for themselves, to do better for themselves and certain powers in the West don't like it.

    There is democracy in Poland. Poland is not Russia or Belarus. This whole "not democratic / illiberal" meme is just another one like "racist", "antiSemite", etc., used to label political opponents.

    Poland is igglobal, not illiberal.

  11. @JohnnyD
    I think the US will let all of this slide though, since Poland is anti-Putin/pro-NATO and very supportive of Israel's rightwing government.

    I don’t know about that. How do you explain this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-us-troops-nato-mission-poland-message-obama-putin-a7517281.html

    Sending US troops is a clear message that there’s so much the US government will tolerate. Bring on the Gay parades and endless rapefugees!

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    @BB753,
    The US troops are being sent to Poland to send a message to the Russians, it's not because Poland has a right-wing government. The Poles, in my opinion, are anti-Putin/pro-NATO because of Russia's long history of dominating Poland.
    , @Anon 2
    Most people in Poland are not terribly worried
    about Russia. Polish troops, led by Pilsudski,
    defeated Russia in 1920.

    People are more preoccupied with the career
    and personal life of Robert Lewandowski, the
    phenomenal Polish footballer, currently playing
    for the German team Bayern Munich (6'1", salary:
    € 10 million a year). He once scored 5 goals
    in 9 minutes
  12. Poland is facing international condemnation? Haven’t heard of it. Maybe in the heads of spoiled liberals, perhaps.

    Only liberal democracies run by leftists counts as “real democracy” to these people. But either way, even “undemocratic” governments run by strongmen like Orban seem to be a better alternative to democracy these days.

    • Replies: @CJ

    But either way, even “undemocratic” governments run by strongmen like Orban seem to be a better alternative to democracy these days.
     
    Orban is a democratically elected politician. His party controls the legislature because they were elected, just like in the US or UK. If he's a "strongman" then maybe he lifts, bro.
  13. I love that Lewis Carroll quote. It also applies to conspiracy theories as you have often mentioned. Some of what would otherwise be called conspiracy theories, aren’t. For example, the unsubstantiated theory that Russia deployed weaponized memes to swing the US presidential election, or something. But something like WTC 7 falling at freefall speed when it hasn’t been hit by an airplane, that’s a conspiracy theory and no one should pay it any mind.

    And fake news. If Breitbart prints it, it’s fake news. If the NYT or NPR or CNN run something that is factually incorrect or misleading, well, they’re on the side of the angels. Angels like Marina Abramovic.

  14. Elite jobs for life would be no-show jobs, with the occasional appearance to influence policy and pick up theater tickets.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Elite jobs for life would be no-show jobs, with the occasional appearance to influence policy and pick up theater tickets."

    On The Sopranos Tony and his crew all had high paying no-show union jobs. Get paid a lot of money just to sit around and eat gabagool, what an easy yearly income.
  15. This is pretty par for the course among a certain class of people.

    Timothy Garton Ash, globalist personified, bitched about the exact same thing. His article and this one are similar in outlook:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/05/protest-poles-state-law-and-justice-party-polish-democracy

    If the people don’t vote for what they want, it’s anti-democratic.

    And populist. Always populist.

  16. Uh, oh, breaking news. The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to “unnamed officials” speaking to the NYT.

    Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.

    They were worried about it leaking but they are the ones leaking to the NYTimes even though they are committing a felony. Isn’t receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    The "fake news" story which I saw regarding this hypothetical leak, used the word "alleged" every other word or so. I think that any rational and/or knowledgeable reader can draw the appropriate inferences. The establishment and its MSM flunkies are determined to take Trump down. This is their latest disgusting ploy. It's the flipside of their desperate attempts to shield the Obama administration, the Clintons, and their co-conspirators from the consequences of their many crimes and misdemeanors.
    , @Jefferson
    "Isn’t receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?"

    The New York Times is a bigger criminal organization than all of The Five Families Of New York combined.

    , @Jonathan Mason

    The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to “unnamed officials” speaking to the NYT.
     
    It has little blackmail value if everyone knows about it, and most Presidents and leading politicians have similar form, regardless of whether it is in the public domain or not. After all, what is the point of wealth and power if you can't buy what you want? Or whom you want?
  17. “To be clear, Poland is not yet Hungary, the EU’s other major backsliding headache. Law and Justice has only a small parliamentary majority, not the supermajority needed for a Hungarian-style constitutional rewrite. Protesters have been more assertive and quicker to take to the streets. Nor does Poland have a powerful far-right party like Hungary’s Jobbik waiting in the wings to claim the role of “real” opposition if the ruling party falters. Poland’s opposition may yet manage to use social movements as a rough-and-ready substitute for weakened constitutional checks and balances — and may perhaps eventually make a winning return at the polls. But even in this (far-from-certain) best-case scenario, the country’s institutions are likely to emerge from this period badly damaged.”

  18. Full document here, courtesy of BuzzFeed:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

    Trump likes “golden showers” according to report.

    OTOH, filming embarrassing material is classic Russian playbook. OTOH, it’s hard to believe that Trump didn’t know that – anyone with 1/2 a brain should assume that a Russian hotel room is bugged.

    As usual, Trump’s enemies have just shot themselves in the foot – if the Russians had the potential to blackmail Trump before, they don’t anymore because his enemies have already let the cat out of the bag. But it’s just as likely that the whole thing is fiction.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The report also has some errors in it, which does little to increase our confidence in its veracity. For example the Alfa Group is consistently written as Alpha Group. Perhaps the person who wrote it grew up using Cyrillic alphabet? Like a Russian or Ukrainian? Even so it's a strange error, I'd expect a Russian speaker to write Alfa instead of Alpha, not the other way around. Such transliteration errors are anyway common on low quality conspiracy theory blogs and the like. Yes, it sounds like something from a fake news website.
    , @newrouter
    A golden shower of fake news before a trump press conference. You always need a narrative.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Given Trump's taste for everything made of gold, it's perhaps not surprising that he's fond of golden showers. Small misunderstanding that Mr. Trump might be referring to 24 karat luxury bathroom fixtures.

    To be sure many might find Trump's taste embarrassing, but unlikely he'll be blackmailed about being gauche.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    Actually, the report doesn't say he likes golden showers. It says he hired prostitutes to perform a "golden shower show" in order to defile Obama's former bed.
  19. Seems unlikely. Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia if you’re a person of influence or have a security clearance. I once knew a guy who didn’t-but he was only a state legislator.

    • Replies: @utu
    "Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia "

    And in America as Eliot Spitzer has found out. Who was running the call girl? Owner of the call girls agency? Anyway, it was the shady operative Roger Stone who boasted that he helped to bring Eliot Spitzer down. The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).
  20. the party that won a majority of the seats has taken control and hired its supporters for key jobs…

    Sound like Washington as usual. Will the Polish legislature being enacting bills written by lobbyists for corporations who have paid off politicians?

  21. @Ivy
    Elite jobs for life would be no-show jobs, with the occasional appearance to influence policy and pick up theater tickets.

    “Elite jobs for life would be no-show jobs, with the occasional appearance to influence policy and pick up theater tickets.”

    On The Sopranos Tony and his crew all had high paying no-show union jobs. Get paid a lot of money just to sit around and eat gabagool, what an easy yearly income.

  22. @Jeremy Cooper
    Yes, I've noted before, "democracy" is

    1) Openness to immigration
    2) Pro-gay
    3) Giving unaccountable liberals powe

    As France, the Netherlands, and Germany show, putting your opponents on trial is not "anti-democratic" as long as it's to fight the "far right."

    Sort of like how America is still a democracy with liberal norms even though leftists ban conservatives from speaking on college campuses and hound them out of business. If the state was looking the other way while conservatives were doing the same to liberals, there would be widespread agreement that we do not live in a free country.

    “Sort of like how America is still a democracy with liberal norms even though leftists ban conservatives from speaking on college campuses and hound them out of business.”

    American colleges a.k.a Little North Koreas.

  23. @Jack D
    Uh, oh, breaking news. The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to "unnamed officials" speaking to the NYT.

    Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.
     
    They were worried about it leaking but they are the ones leaking to the NYTimes even though they are committing a felony. Isn't receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?

    The “fake news” story which I saw regarding this hypothetical leak, used the word “alleged” every other word or so. I think that any rational and/or knowledgeable reader can draw the appropriate inferences. The establishment and its MSM flunkies are determined to take Trump down. This is their latest disgusting ploy. It’s the flipside of their desperate attempts to shield the Obama administration, the Clintons, and their co-conspirators from the consequences of their many crimes and misdemeanors.

  24. @Jack D
    Uh, oh, breaking news. The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to "unnamed officials" speaking to the NYT.

    Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.
     
    They were worried about it leaking but they are the ones leaking to the NYTimes even though they are committing a felony. Isn't receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?

    “Isn’t receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?”

    The New York Times is a bigger criminal organization than all of The Five Families Of New York combined.

  25. @BB753
    I don't know about that. How do you explain this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-us-troops-nato-mission-poland-message-obama-putin-a7517281.html

    Sending US troops is a clear message that there's so much the US government will tolerate. Bring on the Gay parades and endless rapefugees!

    ,
    The US troops are being sent to Poland to send a message to the Russians, it’s not because Poland has a right-wing government. The Poles, in my opinion, are anti-Putin/pro-NATO because of Russia’s long history of dominating Poland.

  26. @Jack D
    Uh, oh, breaking news. The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to "unnamed officials" speaking to the NYT.

    Intelligence officials were concerned that the information would leak before they informed Mr. Trump of its existence, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the summary is classified and talking about it would be a felony.
     
    They were worried about it leaking but they are the ones leaking to the NYTimes even though they are committing a felony. Isn't receiving classified information also a felony or is the NY Times above the law?

    The Russians have film of the Donald doing it with prostitutes, according to “unnamed officials” speaking to the NYT.

    It has little blackmail value if everyone knows about it, and most Presidents and leading politicians have similar form, regardless of whether it is in the public domain or not. After all, what is the point of wealth and power if you can’t buy what you want? Or whom you want?

  27. @fnn
    Seems unlikely. Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia if you're a person of influence or have a security clearance. I once knew a guy who didn't-but he was only a state legislator.

    “Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia ”

    And in America as Eliot Spitzer has found out. Who was running the call girl? Owner of the call girls agency? Anyway, it was the shady operative Roger Stone who boasted that he helped to bring Eliot Spitzer down. The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    • Replies: @Matra
    The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    I initially thought Roger Stone was of Jewish background on his father's side but I'm not so sure anymore.
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    I've often wondered why we haven't heard about Russian spy girls targeting Anthony Weiner. Why wouldn't they? Did they?
  28. @inertial
    Poland has always been an absolute poison for whoever owned her. This time around she is beginning to work her magic on her present owners, the EU and NATO. Hence cri de coeur which is this article. Dear EUrocrats, it's only going to get worse.

    We Hungarians used to joke in the nineties that in ww1 we were part of the Central Powers and lost, then in ww2 we joined the Axis and they lost, then we were made part of the Warsaw Pact and then it lost, now we were heading to join NATO and the EU, so they were probably heading for disaster, too. It was obvious we weren’t going to be a great asset.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Fifth time's the charm? At least you haven't lost your whole country, and cannot as long as you insist on people learning that non-indo-European language of yours. It's gotta drive IQ through the roof just to master as a child.
  29. @Jack D
    Full document here, courtesy of BuzzFeed:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

    Trump likes "golden showers" according to report.

    OTOH, filming embarrassing material is classic Russian playbook. OTOH, it's hard to believe that Trump didn't know that - anyone with 1/2 a brain should assume that a Russian hotel room is bugged.

    As usual, Trump's enemies have just shot themselves in the foot - if the Russians had the potential to blackmail Trump before, they don't anymore because his enemies have already let the cat out of the bag. But it's just as likely that the whole thing is fiction.

    The report also has some errors in it, which does little to increase our confidence in its veracity. For example the Alfa Group is consistently written as Alpha Group. Perhaps the person who wrote it grew up using Cyrillic alphabet? Like a Russian or Ukrainian? Even so it’s a strange error, I’d expect a Russian speaker to write Alfa instead of Alpha, not the other way around. Such transliteration errors are anyway common on low quality conspiracy theory blogs and the like. Yes, it sounds like something from a fake news website.

  30. @Jack D
    Full document here, courtesy of BuzzFeed:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

    Trump likes "golden showers" according to report.

    OTOH, filming embarrassing material is classic Russian playbook. OTOH, it's hard to believe that Trump didn't know that - anyone with 1/2 a brain should assume that a Russian hotel room is bugged.

    As usual, Trump's enemies have just shot themselves in the foot - if the Russians had the potential to blackmail Trump before, they don't anymore because his enemies have already let the cat out of the bag. But it's just as likely that the whole thing is fiction.

    A golden shower of fake news before a trump press conference. You always need a narrative.

    • Replies: @utu
    When I heard of the Trump press conference on NPR today (before I heard about golden shower) and how media was already scheming to get him I was thinking the decision to have the press conference was a mistake unless Trump will limit it to making a statement only w/o questions.

    I wonder if they can still derail Trump before inauguration? Rather they will force him to quit after so they have their boy Mike Pence who is exactly whom republicans of Pau Ryan ilk want.
  31. @newrouter
    A golden shower of fake news before a trump press conference. You always need a narrative.

    When I heard of the Trump press conference on NPR today (before I heard about golden shower) and how media was already scheming to get him I was thinking the decision to have the press conference was a mistake unless Trump will limit it to making a statement only w/o questions.

    I wonder if they can still derail Trump before inauguration? Rather they will force him to quit after so they have their boy Mike Pence who is exactly whom republicans of Pau Ryan ilk want.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    "I wonder if they can still derail Trump before inauguration?"

    Obama sold too much guns and ammo for that.
  32. oh my:

    4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Believing anything coming from 4chan is perhaps the only thing more gullible than believing MSM
    , @guest
    I can see trolling the MSM, politicians, or the CIA with a fake pissing prostitute story (PPS). But how do they get them to swallow that the Russians are involved? Don't they need some sort of evidence for that?

    Or are they just flat-out lying? Which of course I know they're capable of. But you'd think they'd be treading lightly with the whole "fake news" tactic blowing up in their faces and the Russian specter failing to frighten regular people.
  33. @utu
    "Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia "

    And in America as Eliot Spitzer has found out. Who was running the call girl? Owner of the call girls agency? Anyway, it was the shady operative Roger Stone who boasted that he helped to bring Eliot Spitzer down. The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    I initially thought Roger Stone was of Jewish background on his father’s side but I’m not so sure anymore.

    • Replies: @utu
    I got it from Forward, they should know:

    "The Donald Trump presidential campaign and Jewish adviser Roger Stone have parted ways."
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/318822/second-jewish-adviser-off-trump-team/
    , @Jack D
    Stone is Catholic.
  34. The Trump thing is either just a smear or a smear and trial balloon to see if Obama will just overturn the election and stay as Dictator for Life. Making Meryl Streep happy I guess.

    Trump is the most Russian friendly President since FDR. Why blackmail him, and even more puzzling why reveal a smear? Answer — its the Liberals again Fake Newsing.

  35. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @newrouter
    oh my:

    4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

    Believing anything coming from 4chan is perhaps the only thing more gullible than believing MSM

  36. @Matra
    The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    I initially thought Roger Stone was of Jewish background on his father's side but I'm not so sure anymore.

    I got it from Forward, they should know:

    “The Donald Trump presidential campaign and Jewish adviser Roger Stone have parted ways.”

    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/318822/second-jewish-adviser-off-trump-team/

  37. Poles and Hungarians: “our ancestors didn’t stop the Mongols cold so we could hand everything over a bunch of pantywaist globalists.”

    Let’s pray that the globalists’ precious institutions in Poland (and everywhere else) are mauled unto death, and left in a ditch.

    An elected government having to face “waves of protests” and endless sanctimonious criticism from the soi disant great and good of the “international community”. Sound familiar?

    Unsurprising, since it’s a common feature of almost every election in which relatively conservative or nationalist parties or individuals win power, from Trump in the US to Poland, Russia in 2011, and even Iran at the time of the “Green revolution” regime change attempt.

    Oligarchs really hate nationalism. This really recommends nationalism.

    Incidentally, I’m having a hard time thinking of anything that is both bad, and hated by oligarchs.

    Things are going to get interesting, if the right starts reciprocating even halfway.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Oligarchs really hate nationalism.

    Russian oligarchs are perfectly happy with Putin, although you can make a good case that Putin is not a true nationalist. Goldman Sachs, Larry Fink and Wilbur Ross seem to have no problem with Trump. What oligarchs, other than Soros, are really all that pro-globalist?
  38. @utu
    When I heard of the Trump press conference on NPR today (before I heard about golden shower) and how media was already scheming to get him I was thinking the decision to have the press conference was a mistake unless Trump will limit it to making a statement only w/o questions.

    I wonder if they can still derail Trump before inauguration? Rather they will force him to quit after so they have their boy Mike Pence who is exactly whom republicans of Pau Ryan ilk want.

    “I wonder if they can still derail Trump before inauguration?”

    Obama sold too much guns and ammo for that.

  39. @Matra
    The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    I initially thought Roger Stone was of Jewish background on his father's side but I'm not so sure anymore.

    Stone is Catholic.

  40. @Jack D
    Full document here, courtesy of BuzzFeed:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

    Trump likes "golden showers" according to report.

    OTOH, filming embarrassing material is classic Russian playbook. OTOH, it's hard to believe that Trump didn't know that - anyone with 1/2 a brain should assume that a Russian hotel room is bugged.

    As usual, Trump's enemies have just shot themselves in the foot - if the Russians had the potential to blackmail Trump before, they don't anymore because his enemies have already let the cat out of the bag. But it's just as likely that the whole thing is fiction.

    Given Trump’s taste for everything made of gold, it’s perhaps not surprising that he’s fond of golden showers. Small misunderstanding that Mr. Trump might be referring to 24 karat luxury bathroom fixtures.

    To be sure many might find Trump’s taste embarrassing, but unlikely he’ll be blackmailed about being gauche.

  41. @utu
    I got it from Forward, they should know:

    "The Donald Trump presidential campaign and Jewish adviser Roger Stone have parted ways."
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/318822/second-jewish-adviser-off-trump-team/

    I think Roger Stone is Catholic, though.

  42. @newrouter
    oh my:

    4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

    I can see trolling the MSM, politicians, or the CIA with a fake pissing prostitute story (PPS). But how do they get them to swallow that the Russians are involved? Don’t they need some sort of evidence for that?

    Or are they just flat-out lying? Which of course I know they’re capable of. But you’d think they’d be treading lightly with the whole “fake news” tactic blowing up in their faces and the Russian specter failing to frighten regular people.

  43. @Jason Liu
    Poland is facing international condemnation? Haven't heard of it. Maybe in the heads of spoiled liberals, perhaps.

    Only liberal democracies run by leftists counts as "real democracy" to these people. But either way, even "undemocratic" governments run by strongmen like Orban seem to be a better alternative to democracy these days.

    But either way, even “undemocratic” governments run by strongmen like Orban seem to be a better alternative to democracy these days.

    Orban is a democratically elected politician. His party controls the legislature because they were elected, just like in the US or UK. If he’s a “strongman” then maybe he lifts, bro.

  44. @BB753
    I don't know about that. How do you explain this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-us-troops-nato-mission-poland-message-obama-putin-a7517281.html

    Sending US troops is a clear message that there's so much the US government will tolerate. Bring on the Gay parades and endless rapefugees!

    Most people in Poland are not terribly worried
    about Russia. Polish troops, led by Pilsudski,
    defeated Russia in 1920.

    People are more preoccupied with the career
    and personal life of Robert Lewandowski, the
    phenomenal Polish footballer, currently playing
    for the German team Bayern Munich (6’1″, salary:
    € 10 million a year). He once scored 5 goals
    in 9 minutes

    • Replies: @BB753
    Are Poles worried about US and NATO interference?
    , @RadicalCenter
    If the Poles are not worried about how they'd fare in a war with Russia, they are drastically overstating their own military resources and drastically under-selling Russia's.
  45. Honestly, it just seems like “democracy” is whoever the Americans don’t feel like bombing this week, and “freedom” is whatever we hate the Westerners for.

  46. @utu
    "Everybody who grew up during the Cold War knows you stay away from prostitutes in Russia "

    And in America as Eliot Spitzer has found out. Who was running the call girl? Owner of the call girls agency? Anyway, it was the shady operative Roger Stone who boasted that he helped to bring Eliot Spitzer down. The same Roger Stone who recently emerged as a big supporter of Trump. Seems like Trump is blessed with friendships of shady Jewish characters (Roy Cohn).

    I’ve often wondered why we haven’t heard about Russian spy girls targeting Anthony Weiner. Why wouldn’t they? Did they?

  47. @JohnnyD
    I think the US will let all of this slide though, since Poland is anti-Putin/pro-NATO and very supportive of Israel's rightwing government.

    There is no question that one reason why the
    Law and Justice Party returned to power was
    Russia’s annexation of Crimea. This was a big deal
    in 2014 . When countries feel threatened, they generally
    turn right politically. Another reason was similar to
    why Trump won in the U.S. : most of the economic gains
    since Poland joined the EU went to the upper strata of the
    society, and not enough to the working class.

    But here’s why the Eurocrats are really worried:

    1. Law and Justice, the reigning party in Poland,
    is Catholic whereas the EU elite are militant atheists.
    Poland’s prime minister is a woman, Beata Szydlo,
    but the real power is held by the éminence grise, Jaroslaw
    Kaczynski, and he is a conservative Catholic. By the way,
    it was reported that Theresa May and Beata Szydlo really
    hit it off when they first met, and Britain will need Poland as
    an ally when conducting Brexit talks.

    2. Law and Justice is totally against refugee resettlement.

    3. But most important, Law and Justice is eurocautionary
    (not euroskeptical), in fact it remains the largest group of the
    Eurocationaries in the EU (unless Marine Le Pen wins in
    France), and without Law-and-Justice ruled Poland, the
    Eurocautionaries would have no chance of carrying out their
    proposals, esp. decentralization. Poland has a long tradition
    of decentralization. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which
    ceased to exist in 1795) was a federal republic, like the U.S.,
    and was highly decentralized (too decentralized since it was
    surrounded by absolute monarchies)

  48. the essence of democracy is unchecked lifetime employment of, by, and for elites.

    Whereas the essence of modern “nationalist” parties on the Putin/Erdogan/PiS/Orban/Trump model seems to be to throw-out those elites, in order to guarantee unchecked lifetime employment to a different set of elites, preferably personally related to the leader.

    Watching the corruption and cronyism in European “nationalist” parties has really disillusioned me. Peace and Justice is probably the best of them, in the sense that they do seem sincere about their Catholicism and trying to improve the lot of rural Poles. On the other hand they seem intent on destroying local government and centralizing all decision making in Warsaw. Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world. Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists.

    • Replies: @utu
    "Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world."

    Really? And what about affairs like Ambergold and countless shady privatizations under regimes prior to Law and Justice?
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    "Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists."

    Baseless assertion.

    Actually police and specialised anti-corruption organisations have now a field day since protective umbrella that many businessmen enjoyed under "old regime" was removed.

    And liberal press and media are now keeping an extra watchful eye on various government doings and goings. Thats a strange thing because before the last elections they weren't doing that. Of course then the government wasn't the enemy of democracy and all decent Europeans.

    So politicians of Law and Justice have it uphill in the department of corruption.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    In the end, the proles always get screwed. You sometimes get to choose who to take it from, though.
  49. @Svigor
    Poles and Hungarians: "our ancestors didn't stop the Mongols cold so we could hand everything over a bunch of pantywaist globalists."

    Let's pray that the globalists' precious institutions in Poland (and everywhere else) are mauled unto death, and left in a ditch.

    An elected government having to face “waves of protests” and endless sanctimonious criticism from the soi disant great and good of the “international community”. Sound familiar?

    Unsurprising, since it’s a common feature of almost every election in which relatively conservative or nationalist parties or individuals win power, from Trump in the US to Poland, Russia in 2011, and even Iran at the time of the “Green revolution” regime change attempt.
     
    Oligarchs really hate nationalism. This really recommends nationalism.

    Incidentally, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that is both bad, and hated by oligarchs.

    Things are going to get interesting, if the right starts reciprocating even halfway.

    Oligarchs really hate nationalism.

    Russian oligarchs are perfectly happy with Putin, although you can make a good case that Putin is not a true nationalist. Goldman Sachs, Larry Fink and Wilbur Ross seem to have no problem with Trump. What oligarchs, other than Soros, are really all that pro-globalist?

  50. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    If anybody really, seriously doesn’t believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.

    Yet, for some reason, you’ll never hear that particular institution slagged off by the powers that be. Also, the British judiciary is very obviously working to a blatantly political agenda, note the recent trend of British judged to punish very heavily – with actual sentences of imprisonment – people who have made remarks or comments which are deemed ‘offensive’ to ethnic minorities. Other groups in society are not protected in this way.
    Note too the way in a distinctly undemocratic way that the fucking ‘Council of Europe’ forbids ‘member states’ to impose the death penalty over and above the elected legislatures of those member states.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    If anybody really, seriously doesn’t believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.
     
    I don't think so, because governments, particularly Conservative governments, have been at loggerheads with the BBC for decades over so-called 'biased reporting'. The truth is more that most of the people who work at the BBC are liberal-lefties whose world vision is somewhat blinkered and that what they believe to be objective reporting does not always look that way from an alternate perspective.

    For example almost everyone at the BBC believes that America needs more gun control, but this leaves out the perspective of rural homeowners in the US who live far from the nearest police station and may be vulnerable to home invasions, etc. However this has nothing to do with UK government policy.
  51. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The EU is constitutionally profoundly undemocratic and tyrannical.

    If the Poles elected Blair style cultural Marxists, who happened to abolish all immigration controls – against the wishes of the Polish people – that would be all fine and dandy by the EU.

  52. Russians are stupid. Do they think this will improve their bargaining position with Trump? If Trump could be destroyed by things like footage with prostitutes, he wouldn’t have gotten far in the real estate business. On his part, Trump could hire Industrial Light & Magic to produce footage of Putin playing cuckold.

  53. @reiner Tor
    We Hungarians used to joke in the nineties that in ww1 we were part of the Central Powers and lost, then in ww2 we joined the Axis and they lost, then we were made part of the Warsaw Pact and then it lost, now we were heading to join NATO and the EU, so they were probably heading for disaster, too. It was obvious we weren't going to be a great asset.

    Fifth time’s the charm? At least you haven’t lost your whole country, and cannot as long as you insist on people learning that non-indo-European language of yours. It’s gotta drive IQ through the roof just to master as a child.

  54. @Cattle Guard
    Honestly, it just seems like "democracy" is whoever the Americans don't feel like bombing this week, and "freedom" is whatever we hate the Westerners for.

    Excellent observation.

  55. @Peter Akuleyev
    the essence of democracy is unchecked lifetime employment of, by, and for elites.

    Whereas the essence of modern "nationalist" parties on the Putin/Erdogan/PiS/Orban/Trump model seems to be to throw-out those elites, in order to guarantee unchecked lifetime employment to a different set of elites, preferably personally related to the leader.

    Watching the corruption and cronyism in European "nationalist" parties has really disillusioned me. Peace and Justice is probably the best of them, in the sense that they do seem sincere about their Catholicism and trying to improve the lot of rural Poles. On the other hand they seem intent on destroying local government and centralizing all decision making in Warsaw. Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world. Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists.

    “Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world.”

    Really? And what about affairs like Ambergold and countless shady privatizations under regimes prior to Law and Justice?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    On the 2015 Corruption Perceptions Index Poland
    ranked 30 and Russia 121. No comparison
  56. @Anonymous
    If anybody really, seriously doesn't believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.

    Yet, for some reason, you'll never hear that particular institution slagged off by the powers that be. Also, the British judiciary is very obviously working to a blatantly political agenda, note the recent trend of British judged to punish very heavily - with actual sentences of imprisonment - people who have made remarks or comments which are deemed 'offensive' to ethnic minorities. Other groups in society are not protected in this way.
    Note too the way in a distinctly undemocratic way that the fucking 'Council of Europe' forbids 'member states' to impose the death penalty over and above the elected legislatures of those member states.

    If anybody really, seriously doesn’t believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.

    I don’t think so, because governments, particularly Conservative governments, have been at loggerheads with the BBC for decades over so-called ‘biased reporting’. The truth is more that most of the people who work at the BBC are liberal-lefties whose world vision is somewhat blinkered and that what they believe to be objective reporting does not always look that way from an alternate perspective.

    For example almost everyone at the BBC believes that America needs more gun control, but this leaves out the perspective of rural homeowners in the US who live far from the nearest police station and may be vulnerable to home invasions, etc. However this has nothing to do with UK government policy.

    • Replies: @guest
    There's the government then there's the government. "Conservative governments" don't change the fundamental balance of the civil service. Over there as well as here, the permanent government isn't on the conservative side. So when they go after Thatcher, technically they're going after the government, but not really.
  57. Switzerland, with its heavy reliance on referendums, is clearly the world’s least democratic state.

  58. @Peter Akuleyev
    the essence of democracy is unchecked lifetime employment of, by, and for elites.

    Whereas the essence of modern "nationalist" parties on the Putin/Erdogan/PiS/Orban/Trump model seems to be to throw-out those elites, in order to guarantee unchecked lifetime employment to a different set of elites, preferably personally related to the leader.

    Watching the corruption and cronyism in European "nationalist" parties has really disillusioned me. Peace and Justice is probably the best of them, in the sense that they do seem sincere about their Catholicism and trying to improve the lot of rural Poles. On the other hand they seem intent on destroying local government and centralizing all decision making in Warsaw. Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world. Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists.

    “Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists.”

    Baseless assertion.

    Actually police and specialised anti-corruption organisations have now a field day since protective umbrella that many businessmen enjoyed under “old regime” was removed.

    And liberal press and media are now keeping an extra watchful eye on various government doings and goings. Thats a strange thing because before the last elections they weren’t doing that. Of course then the government wasn’t the enemy of democracy and all decent Europeans.

    So politicians of Law and Justice have it uphill in the department of corruption.

  59. @Anon 2
    Most people in Poland are not terribly worried
    about Russia. Polish troops, led by Pilsudski,
    defeated Russia in 1920.

    People are more preoccupied with the career
    and personal life of Robert Lewandowski, the
    phenomenal Polish footballer, currently playing
    for the German team Bayern Munich (6'1", salary:
    € 10 million a year). He once scored 5 goals
    in 9 minutes

    Are Poles worried about US and NATO interference?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    My impression is that so far Poland is
    not terribly worried about NATO interference.
    After all, NATO was created "to keep the Germans
    down and the Russians out," to quote an American
    general, which roughly aligns with Poland's national
    interests. I don't think the Polish government is very
    unhappy about the 300+ NATO (cough) bases /dutifully
    listed in Wikipedia/ on German soil.

    A couple of years ago there was an interesting post
    on the Polish news site Onet.pl . Written by a Russian
    in broken Polish, it began, "Dear Polish brethren, why are
    we even arguing and fighting? We are all Slavic brothers
    and sisters who should be able to live in peace." He then
    reviewed Russian history since the 18th century, pointing
    out how Russia was ruled by the German tsars (who
    partitioned Poland), then by Lenin who was only part Russian,
    and Stalin who was Georgian, etc But, unlike in the past, Putin
    is fully Russian and therefore harbors no ill will toward
    Poland. And I agree, I speak Russian and know the Russian
    culture well, and harbor no ill will toward Russia (as long as it
    stays on its side of the border). Hopefully, Poland and Russia,
    and the rest of that region, will be able to work out a modus
    vivendi which is satisfactory to all parties concerned
  60. What oligarchs, other than Soros, are really all that pro-globalist?

    The ones who own Big Media, the ones who own the Democrat Party, the ones who own the Republican party, and the ones who own the British media, for starters. It’s much quicker to name the ones that aren’t: Adelson, Icahn, and Thiel.

    I’ll let you speak for Russia, though my take has been that the current crop of oligarchs are the fellows who came to power after the old crop had their power taken from them, for being too globalist.

    Most people in Poland are not terribly worried
    about Russia. Polish troops, led by Pilsudski,
    defeated Russia in 1920.

    Yeah a lot’s happened since then.

    I’ve often wondered why we haven’t heard about Russian spy girls targeting Anthony Weiner. Why wouldn’t they? Did they?

    Russian honey trap girls: “Never trust teh crazy.”

  61. If anybody really, seriously doesn’t believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.

    Who could forget how pro-government they were during the Thatcher years!

  62. @Anon 2
    Most people in Poland are not terribly worried
    about Russia. Polish troops, led by Pilsudski,
    defeated Russia in 1920.

    People are more preoccupied with the career
    and personal life of Robert Lewandowski, the
    phenomenal Polish footballer, currently playing
    for the German team Bayern Munich (6'1", salary:
    € 10 million a year). He once scored 5 goals
    in 9 minutes

    If the Poles are not worried about how they’d fare in a war with Russia, they are drastically overstating their own military resources and drastically under-selling Russia’s.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Nobody is going to invade anyone. Today's wars
    are fought with banks, not with tanks. Moreover, in
    the civilized world, (regular) war has been replaced
    by the cold war, and nowadays cold war is being
    replaced by cyberwarfare.

    It appears that white men are simply not as aggressive
    as they used to be even 50 years ago, perhaps due to
    declining testosterone levels. Hence the likelihood of
    a (hot) war erupting among civilized countries is
    extremely low today IMHO
  63. @Peter Akuleyev
    the essence of democracy is unchecked lifetime employment of, by, and for elites.

    Whereas the essence of modern "nationalist" parties on the Putin/Erdogan/PiS/Orban/Trump model seems to be to throw-out those elites, in order to guarantee unchecked lifetime employment to a different set of elites, preferably personally related to the leader.

    Watching the corruption and cronyism in European "nationalist" parties has really disillusioned me. Peace and Justice is probably the best of them, in the sense that they do seem sincere about their Catholicism and trying to improve the lot of rural Poles. On the other hand they seem intent on destroying local government and centralizing all decision making in Warsaw. Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world. Law and Justice wants to go back to the comfortable corruption of the Communist era, just with Catholics in charge instead of Communists.

    In the end, the proles always get screwed. You sometimes get to choose who to take it from, though.

  64. @Jefferson
    "Sort of like how America is still a democracy with liberal norms even though leftists ban conservatives from speaking on college campuses and hound them out of business."

    American colleges a.k.a Little North Koreas.

    “Pedagogical Pyongyangs”

  65. NGOs who push views you may or may not support are entitled to your money. If the government decides not to give it to them then that is “undemocratic.”

    Fascinating how the press regards as “democratic” and “undemocratic.” The German government welcomed in a million un-vetted “refugees” and it’s popularity tanked. The press celbrated that as the “democratic” thing to do. Hungary responded to the refugee invasion by sealing its borders and government approval ratings soared. The press celebrated that as an “assault” on democracy.

  66. @Jack D
    Full document here, courtesy of BuzzFeed:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

    Trump likes "golden showers" according to report.

    OTOH, filming embarrassing material is classic Russian playbook. OTOH, it's hard to believe that Trump didn't know that - anyone with 1/2 a brain should assume that a Russian hotel room is bugged.

    As usual, Trump's enemies have just shot themselves in the foot - if the Russians had the potential to blackmail Trump before, they don't anymore because his enemies have already let the cat out of the bag. But it's just as likely that the whole thing is fiction.

    Actually, the report doesn’t say he likes golden showers. It says he hired prostitutes to perform a “golden shower show” in order to defile Obama’s former bed.

  67. @RadicalCenter
    If the Poles are not worried about how they'd fare in a war with Russia, they are drastically overstating their own military resources and drastically under-selling Russia's.

    Nobody is going to invade anyone. Today’s wars
    are fought with banks, not with tanks. Moreover, in
    the civilized world, (regular) war has been replaced
    by the cold war, and nowadays cold war is being
    replaced by cyberwarfare.

    It appears that white men are simply not as aggressive
    as they used to be even 50 years ago, perhaps due to
    declining testosterone levels. Hence the likelihood of
    a (hot) war erupting among civilized countries is
    extremely low today IMHO

  68. @BB753
    Are Poles worried about US and NATO interference?

    My impression is that so far Poland is
    not terribly worried about NATO interference.
    After all, NATO was created “to keep the Germans
    down and the Russians out,” to quote an American
    general, which roughly aligns with Poland’s national
    interests. I don’t think the Polish government is very
    unhappy about the 300+ NATO (cough) bases /dutifully
    listed in Wikipedia/ on German soil.

    A couple of years ago there was an interesting post
    on the Polish news site Onet.pl . Written by a Russian
    in broken Polish, it began, “Dear Polish brethren, why are
    we even arguing and fighting? We are all Slavic brothers
    and sisters who should be able to live in peace.” He then
    reviewed Russian history since the 18th century, pointing
    out how Russia was ruled by the German tsars (who
    partitioned Poland), then by Lenin who was only part Russian,
    and Stalin who was Georgian, etc But, unlike in the past, Putin
    is fully Russian and therefore harbors no ill will toward
    Poland. And I agree, I speak Russian and know the Russian
    culture well, and harbor no ill will toward Russia (as long as it
    stays on its side of the border). Hopefully, Poland and Russia,
    and the rest of that region, will be able to work out a modus
    vivendi which is satisfactory to all parties concerned

  69. @utu
    "Poland has made great strides in the last 10 years in reducing corruption, increasing honesty and accountability among public officials and improving transparency in the business world."

    Really? And what about affairs like Ambergold and countless shady privatizations under regimes prior to Law and Justice?

    On the 2015 Corruption Perceptions Index Poland
    ranked 30 and Russia 121. No comparison

  70. @Jonathan Mason

    If anybody really, seriously doesn’t believe that the BBC is the state propaganda wing of the British government, then they are seriously deluded and/or naive.
     
    I don't think so, because governments, particularly Conservative governments, have been at loggerheads with the BBC for decades over so-called 'biased reporting'. The truth is more that most of the people who work at the BBC are liberal-lefties whose world vision is somewhat blinkered and that what they believe to be objective reporting does not always look that way from an alternate perspective.

    For example almost everyone at the BBC believes that America needs more gun control, but this leaves out the perspective of rural homeowners in the US who live far from the nearest police station and may be vulnerable to home invasions, etc. However this has nothing to do with UK government policy.

    There’s the government then there’s the government. “Conservative governments” don’t change the fundamental balance of the civil service. Over there as well as here, the permanent government isn’t on the conservative side. So when they go after Thatcher, technically they’re going after the government, but not really.

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