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Jim Flynn of Flynn Effect fame has been pointing out recently that in some places where rising IQ scores were best documented, such as Scandinavian countries with universal male conscription, his namesake phenomenon has seemed to go in reverse in recent years.

Now, from PNAS:

Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused
Bernt Bratsberg and Ole Rogeberg
PNAS June 11, 2018.
Edited by Richard E. Nisbett, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, and approved May 14, 2018 (received for review October 27, 2017)

Significance
Using administrative register data with information on family relationships and cognitive ability for three decades of Norwegian male birth cohorts, we show that the increase, turning point, and decline of the Flynn effect can be recovered from within-family variation in intelligence scores. This establishes that the large changes in average cohort intelligence reflect environmental factors and not changing composition of parents, which in turn rules out several prominent hypotheses for retrograde Flynn effects.

Abstract
Population intelligence quotients increased throughout the 20th century—a phenomenon known as the Flynn effect—although recent years have seen a slowdown or reversal of this trend in several countries. To distinguish between the large set of proposed explanations, we categorize hypothesized causal factors by whether they accommodate the existence of within-family Flynn effects. Using administrative register data and cognitive ability scores from military conscription data covering three decades of Norwegian birth cohorts (1962–1991), we show that the observed Flynn effect, its turning point, and subsequent decline can all be fully recovered from within-family variation. The analysis controls for all factors shared by siblings and finds no evidence for prominent causal hypotheses of the decline implicating genes and environmental factors that vary between, but not within, families.

 
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  1. J.Ross says: • Website

    That’s great, but what do they say to the semi-numerate layperson who recognizes a twenty or more point discrepency between “new Norwegians” and real Norwegians, regardless of generational fluctuation?

    • Replies: @wren
  2. wren says:

    Maybe it is because they eat “The World’s Most Toxic Food!” – farmed Norwegian salmon.

    Fake news? I have no idea.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  3. Lagertha says:

    we all know that Europe is going to be forever changed by the influx of of migrants (mostly virile-age men) that Merkel (not a mother/non reproducing person) decided to let in millions of mostly, men, again. The idea of multiculturalism does not work especially, when the immigrant culture does not want to integrate.

    I have seen this. almost 30 years in Scandoland. And, the walls are higher and the violence larger and more sinister. It is like a dam: something is gonna break. Land is land and people respond to the land of their blood. No one, no govt, can make people share their stuff they fought for.

    • Replies: @Anon
  4. Lagertha says:

    Flynn effect confuses me with Tatu’s facts. I guess I am too tired to care :).

  5. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t get it. The language is arcane. Is this caused by dysgenic breeding among the native Norwegian population or is it due to immigration of non-Norwegians to Norway?

    I’m guessing the reality is both, regardless of what the study supposedly finds, with the highly dominant factor being immigration.

  6. Lagertha says:

    Flynn effect is declining in the Nordic countries due to immigration and refugees from MENA, piling in, with parents of no real skills or language ability. And, formerly homogeneous countries, like Finland, for thousands of years, must develop curricula to absorb multiple languaged-kids. It all sucks, it all sucks – my feelings.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Clyde
  7. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    If it’s truly environmental then: Facebook? Video games? Water fluoridation?

    • Replies: @m___
  8. Tiny Duck says:

    Norway is at a distinct disadvantage because of its appalling lack of diversity

  9. Wow, It’s amazing to see that. I lived in Norway from 2015 to 2018, I observed a Lot of Pregnant white girls with Pakistani and Somali men. One of the nurse(a distant cousin’s friend) in Oslo told me that majority of the deliveries in that particular hospital involve either a White Norwegian or a Polish woman and a Black/Asian man or birth is to a Somali or South Asian woman.
    Majority of the Norwegians are SWPLs. I have seen countless interracial couples making out in the Streets of Oslo and surprisingly Geneva too.
    Media in Norway depicts a lot of Blonde wives or girlfriends and Black Husbands or Boyfriends for some reason.
    Norway isn’t as White as many think. Important thing is that a lot more White Women indulge in miscegenation than White men.
    HARD TRUTH- NON WHITE MEN SEEMS TO BE CONQUERING WHITE WOMBS IN THE HOMELAND OF WHITE RACE.

  10. @Tiny Duck

    Norway suffers from a chronic lack of rapists and inbreeding.

  11. Lot says:

    I was reading this yesterday and didn’t find much interesting. However, in the same issue of PNAS with full text online they report in detail a finding the bones of about 380 males in Southern Denmark circa 0-100AD, who appear to have all died violently, had their skulls crushed and major bones disconnected a few weeks after death, then left for wolves to chew up for 6-12 months, then dumped in a lake trench that was still enough not to damage the bones much further.

    No idea who they are, but the weapons indicate locals, but they note they are dated to around the peak of Roman power in the area, so in theory they could have been killed by one of the Roman “punitive expeditions” seeking revenge for the Teut Forest disaster, and the later damage to the corpses reflect the area’s strange post-battle rituals.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/115/23/5920

  12. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    Maybe I’m completely misunderstanding it but it looks to me like they’re explaining Flynn Decline as a natural in-house thing with “environmental factors,” in other words, not migrants. Surely this is a legitimate thing. We observe the decline in motivation, emotional stability, physical activity, and so forth of the “beautiful ones;” and they’re using their brains less so their scores will decline. But it’s dodging the question of the influx, and a dumb Norwegian is still probably smarter and less inclined to violence than an average member of some groups.

  13. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:

    Reminder that 6/8 of Sweden’s largest newspapers are owned by the Jewish Bonnier family and Peter Hjorne (also of Jewish descent and a big Holocaust propaganda booster). They also own a ton of media in the rest of Scandinavia, including Norway.

    The brainwashing comes from the top. It’s not complicated Jews in the West do to the minds of your children what Kim Jong Un does to the minds of North Korean children. And the North Koreans love him – because they’re taught to. At least he’s not genociding his own people in his own nation.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  14. Mishra says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Well TD, when you’re right, you’re right.

    Ranking of Happiness 2014-2016 (Part 1). (Chart: Helliwell, J., Layard, R., & Sachs, J. (2017). World Happiness Report 2017, New York: Sustainable Development Solutions Network.)

    • Replies: @phil
  15. wren says:

    Maybe it’s just pop culture taking over people’s brains.

    This seven year old Norwegian girl sings a passable Billie Holiday to a Pakistani Norwegian (?) judge on Norway’s Got Talent.

    Her Screamin Jay Hawkins is fun too.

  16. J.Ross says: • Website

    This is driving me crazy: “not changing composition of parents” in the first quoted paragraph means they’re just looking at whites? Their point is that the apparent decline, which might be the result of new people, is actually just this fluctuation within the same people that have already lived in country for at least thirty years and are therefore almost certainly native Europeans?

    • Agree: Travis
  17. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Lol. Tiny krauthammer!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  18. wren says:
    @J.Ross

    Sett deg ned og hold kjeft.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  19. @Michael Krauthammer

    HARD TRUTH- NON WHITE MEN SEEMS TO BE CONQUERING WHITE WOMBS IN THE HOMELAND OF WHITE RACE.

    It’s interesting that this is your first post.

    I wonder if you may a good friend of our friend TD…….

    Hmmm………..

    I looked at the marriage statistics. It turns out that from 1996 through 2004, 1169 Norwegian-origin women married non western-origin men. For Norwegian-origin men, the comparable figure was 1504.

    So Norwegian-origin men race-mix more than their women.

  20. @Anon

    You beat me to it. He seems like another incarnation of our good friend.

  21. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The argument for their side to make is that the nonwhites are not numerous as yet (as seen in your stats: a thousand people in a country of five million). It’s a weak argument because very little imagination provides a picture of growth exploding like a shahiyd, while whites run away from marriage, but it’s true and easily grasped. My feeling (unless I am misreading the abstract) is that the research in the post is something worse than a weak argument: it represents pretending not to have heard the question.

    • Replies: @bomag
  22. Lot says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Nigerian ESL troll. Norway is about 6.5% non-white by the way.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  23. jim jones says:

    The DM carried this story a couple of days ago and I naturally assumed it was about us Brits, thank God it is the Norwegians.

  24. @Michael Krauthammer

    I looked at the marriage statistics for Norwegian nationals. It turns out that from 1996 through 2004, 1,169 Norwegian-origin women married non western-origin men. For Norwegian-origin men, the comparable figure was 1,504.

    In addition to the above figures, Norwegian-origin people married foreign nationals. I couldn’t find the exact figures for these marriages, but these unions appear to be entered into primarily by Norwegian-origin men. The top 2 foreign nationalities (Thai women and Filipino women) account for about 4,500 marriages.

    So Norwegian-origin men race-mix more than Norwegian-origin women.

    • Replies: @denjae
    , @Travis
  25. @Lot

    “Krauthammer”

    Interesting choice of surname.

  26. nebulafox says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Did you forget to take your meds?

    • Replies: @Michael Krauthammer
  27. J.Ross says: • Website
    @wren

    Aha. But unbeknownst to you I am already seated and silent! Turns out that since Norse is similar (but not closely related) to English in many respects, Google Translate actually works, in a way it could not if you guys had aspects and complete agreement.

    • Replies: @wren
  28. @JohnnyWalker123

    Marriage doesn’t matter. There are many childless married couples in Norway. Births matter. More babies are being born out of wedlock. Mostly with Non White dads and White moms

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Svigor
  29. @nebulafox

    Man up , the way non white men do. Don’t be a Cuck here. Fact is that White women love Non White men more nowadays. Media and Academia have their role in this.

  30. wren says:
    @J.Ross

    Oh, I am not talking directly to.you, I am answering the question you posed in your comment.

    That’s great, but what do they say to the semi-numerate layperson who recognizes a twenty or more point discrepency between “new Norwegians” and real Norwegians, regardless of generational fluctuation?

    • Replies: @wren
    , @J.Ross
  31. wren says:
    @wren

    But actually they mean:

    Krig er fred.

    Frihet er slaveri.

    Uvitenhet er styrke.

  32. Gordo says:

    A look at the streets of Oslo may explain.

  33. This appears to be saying that Norwegian children are stupider than their parents, which would have to be for environmental reasons. Anything from declining education standards to social media to environmental toxins to a general slacker culture could have an effect.

  34. @wren

    Her mother may be half Japanese.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @wren
  35. @Michael Krauthammer

    I don’t think I saw ANY mixed-race couples in Oslo, but I didn’t spend much time in the vibrant east side of the city. I did see lots of headscarved women with children.

    BTW, can someone translate the article into English? The language seems designed to conceal rather than reveal.

  36. Anon[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    The idea of multiculturalism does not work especially, when the immigrant culture does not want to integrate.

    Oh, they want to integrate alright. They are very eager to have sexual intercourse with Northern European women. And Nothern European countries are running classes to facilitate that.

  37. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    I think it means you will have to add the influx of rapist dummies to this particular decline.

  38. Realist says:
    @wren

    Most Norwegian food would gag a maggot.

  39. Realist says:
    @Lagertha

    Flynn effect is declining in the Nordic countries due to immigration and refugees from MENA, piling in, with parents of no real skills or language ability.

    Most likely a big contributor.

  40. m___ says:
    @Anon

    If it’s truly environmental then

    And reversible …?

    The next study, “how we are all equals with regard to the environmental impact on our IQ” Is palm oil, corn syrup and digital porn, an honest(one man one vote) peril inclusive to all.

    Or. “The perpetrator of the possible global Flynn effect, high IQ subgroups, bath in the same dirty tub.”

    Next study, “how to build ghettos for our precious elites, so profits are not affected when “Flynning” the bulk of humanity”.

    The self help industry: “what to read, what to eat, how to live, and arrest the Flynn effect, all bought and sold in the nearest outlet”.

    The prep industry: “build your own protection against the Flynn diminishing IQ effect by upgrading your already existing shelter”.

    Our guess: the Flynn effect regardless, up or down, is a fraction of the extra brainpower our power elites need to come up with meaningful policy changes and facing real problems.

  41. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:

    What if levels of pollutants in the atmosphere, up to a threshold, correlate with higher IQs…some kind of neural conditioning effect, that’s lost as the air gets cleaner?

  42. Blubb says:

    I don’t understand what this research is trying to tell us. Norway has run out of magic dirt or something?

  43. Andrew M says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is universal. Twitter-sized chunks of information delivered by smartphone mean that nobody needs to process much, or remember much. Our daily lives are far easier: you don’t need to know how to fix a car (leasing takes care of that); where to drive a car (Google Maps handles that); or even how to drive at all (Uber).

    The brain is a muscle: fail to exercise it, and it will atrophy. In the past, the comforts of modern civilization meant we didn’t need to exercise our bodies. Now we increasingly don’t need to exercise our brains either.

  44. “The analysis controls for all factors shared by siblings”

    Does that control extend to excluding cases where lower-IQ non-Norwegians enter into the family and color the “within-family” effects? I don’t know.

    In either case, does the cause have to be environmental? Couldn’t it simply be that there has to be a peak-cognitive-Norwegian at some point in time, and that time has recently occurred?

    Finally, isn’t the Flynn Effect best understood as the symbolic-manipulation-culture froth on top of the biological wave? I.e., even as the underlying biology deteriorates, the temporarily frothing top layer gave a false positive signal because the general dissemination and familiarity of symbolic manipulation (e.g., smart phone usage), which happens to be the same type of symbolic manipulation used to test IQ.

  45. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    The implicit (and rather sinister) thing here is that everyone knows that the current immigration dynamic into Norway will bring down the indices of civilization, e.g. IQ, crime, etc.

    The authors anticipate the arguments here, and thus offer this paper as a way to say, “see, the decline was in place anyway, so all you haters are wrong. Enjoy the future.”

  46. Clyde says:
    @Lagertha

    The native Scandinavian IQ goes down for the same reason in other wealthy nations. Central heating, too much junk food and sugar, too much comfort seeking, too much gazing at LED screens instead of being outside working or playing and sports in the fresh air. Cold fresh air is the most IQ stimulating.
    Scandi IQ decline is not just due to the migrant influx. Norway has fewer of them than Sweden anyway. Probably half the percentage or less.
    Finland the least immigrants
    Norway -second
    Denmark – third
    Sweden the most

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Medvedev
  47. @Lot

    Agree that was the most interesting article on the site.

    The (archeological-, not web-) site was indeed suggestive of a Roman punitive expedition. That the skeletons do not show much evidence of prior injury, and are particularly lacking in prior battle injury, implies that they were rounded up and slaughtered, not defeated in a normal battle. Compare these remains with those from the medieval battle of Towton, where the deceased showed showed plenty of evidence of prior combat wounds, and the Towton death wounds were more erratic and numerous as compared to the relatively few and deliberate death wounds at Alken Enge.

    I think the researchers err in suggesting that he remains at Alken Enge are actually from the Battle of Teutoburg itself. The distance is hundreds of miles, and if the remains were already decomposed from a year’s exposure, how would the burial party distinguish the fewer German bones from the more numerous Roman bones?

  48. Peter Frost says: • Website

    I’m confused by the conclusion of this paper. If the Flynn Effect is within-family, the IQ decline is between parents and their (presumed) biological offspring. So it isn’t due to differential reproduction, i.e., the poor outbreeding the rich or immigrants outbreeding natives. But I don’t see how this excludes a genetic explanation. Deleterious mutations occur with each new generation, and these mutations are no longer screened out by infantile mortality, at least not to the same extent. There is also the phenomenon—now widespread—of men marrying single mothers and adopting the offspring.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  49. Mr. Anon says:

    To lend credence to her claims for her Edison blood-analyzing device, Holmes assembled a board of directors featuring a Deep State hall-of-fame lineup, including former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and George Schultz, current secretary of defense General “Mad Dog” Mattis, and former Senate majority leader Bill Frist. Her Democrats included retired Senate Armed Services Committee chair Sam Nunn, Carter administration defense secretary William Perry, and Al Gore’s superlawyer David Boies.

    Perhaps the judgement of such worthies is no better when making decisions about defence and foreign policy.

  50. phil says:
    @Mishra

    Steve has touted the relative homogeneity and religiosity of Poland, but it does not score so well in the chart shown. Homogeneous Japan does not score well either.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    , @bomag
    , @Mishra
  51. Vox Day has written about this and recently posted about it:

    By multiplying the average measured IQs for the four major ethnic groups in the United States with their changing demographic ratios, we can calculate how the demographic changes have affected the national intelligence over time. In 1960, we calculate the national IQ average to have been 100.3. By 2010, the average national IQ had fallen four points, to 96. By 2030, if the current population estimates are correct, it will fall another point, to 95. Lest you think that average national intelligence is irrelevant, note that just that four-point difference is essentially equal to the difference between countries such as Austria, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, and countries such as Uruguay and Portugal. There is a strong correlation between societal wealth and average national intelligence as measured in IQ.

  52. TWS says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    You’re right bastards are more common in Scandinavia than most white pop countries. Read an article about it decades ago. I don’t know if we’ve caught up though.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  53. Whiskey says: • Website

    Anecdotally, I know not data, White women find Black men more attractive than White men find Black women. Kanazawas research applies.

    White men lose in mass immigration. More competition for mates by high status privileged men who society grovels to and ugly women.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Daniel Chieh
  54. anon[610] • Disclaimer says:

    Do not despair, there is hope in Brussels. The EU acknowledgement of the immigration policy disaster is a bellwether event. The problems in Germany, Sweden, France, England, Italy and other countries are in contrast to the relative calm in Hungary. Now the endgame or some modification of the EU will become more pressing as national interests rise in awareness.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/973564/EU-news-Mark-Rutte-Netherlands-European-Union-Parliament-Frans-Timmermans

    • Replies: @Rosie
  55. @Michael Krauthammer

    Africans are 2% of Norway’s population. South Asians are 1%. Which “hospital” is this in which the 2 groups account for the “majority” of births are to these populations?

    Perhaps you could offer us the name of that “hospital.” Given that you supposedly lived in Oslo for a few years, I’m sure you know the name of that hospital.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  56. Logan says:
    @Anon

    I think the immigrant issue is considerably too recent to show up much.

  57. @Michael Krauthammer

    That sucks. Maybe Dr. Pierce was right.

    Still, you know what they say about burning the coal. At least the punishment is often implicit in the crime.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  58. Bartolo says:

    The “Nnylf effect”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  59. @Michael Krauthammer

    I have seen countless interracial couples making out in the Streets of Oslo and surprisingly Geneva too.

    I thought Norwegians were reserved people in public places…………..

    I guess I was wrong.

    Norway is one huge interracial orgy!

  60. What?

    Sincerely, English lit major

  61. @Michael Krauthammer

    We could probably roboticize you.

  62. phil says:

    If the authors of the study are correct, the impact is not likely to be on g. If Woodley and others are correct, negative Flynn effects ARE on g.

  63. @Lot

    A finding the bones of about 380 males in Southern Denmark circa 0-100AD, who appear to have all died violently, had their skulls crushed and major bones disconnected a few weeks after death, then left for wolves to chew up for 6-12 months, then dumped in a lake trench that was still enough not to damage the bones much further.

    I like that world better than this world. For all the violence and disease–i’d be dead already–at least it was *rational*. Though full of bloody conflict, men were at least defending their race, their turf, not ceding their communities, their bounty, their women, their nations to a bunch of savage, stupid, mediocre foreigners whose ass they could easily kick if they felt like it.

  64. @AnotherDad

    The Romans were killing Germans for having the audacity to defend themselves in this case, actually. Leaving them to be eaten by wolves may be a cultistic offering to the wolves of Mars, which was celebrated as a war patron by some Roman legions.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @AnotherDad
  65. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    I like that world better than this world. For all the violence and disease–i’d be dead already–at least it was *rational*. Though full of bloody conflict, men were at least defending their race, their turf, not ceding their communities, their bounty, their women, their nations to a bunch of savage, stupid, mediocre foreigners whose ass they could easily kick if they felt like it.

    Rosie’s OT rumination of the day:

    Has anyone ever considered what effect the domestication of dogs might have had on Western culture?

    I,would think that having highly social dogs that were amenable to a symbiotic relationship with men might have selected for altruistic, empathic personality traits. That is to say, presumably a strong bond with a dog would confer certain survival advantages. Their superior sense of smell would help the cynophile find game. Their superior hearing would alert him to an approaching threat. Presumably, his offspring, also apt to bond with dogs, would have a constant bodyguard.

    Might this explain Western empathy to some degree? They say dog is man’s best friend, but isn’t he the Chinamen’s lunch? Is the dog thing known anywhere else in the world?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  66. Bishop et al. NEJM 1998 reported on a placebo controlled test that showed for each 40 µg per kilogram of parenteral aluminum injected in a preemie they lost on average one mental development point on a scale of 100 measured at 18 months. The US current vaccine schedule injects 4400 µg of aluminum in the first six months of life. The expansion of the vaccine schedule provides ample explanation of the fall in IQ.

  67. @Peter Frost

    . But I don’t see how this excludes a genetic explanation. Deleterious mutations occur with each new generation, and these mutations are no longer screened out by infantile mortality, at least not to the same extent.

    This is what I’m thinking as well.

    Dr. Frost – what do you think of the notion of the behaviorial sink as per the Calhoun experiment? Insofar as it is environmental as kind of a social contaminant rather than a purely genetic one, it still seems like has effects much like a genetic one(and due to its affect on reproduction, would play well with gene-culture coevolution, even with rats).

  68. @Rosie

    Genomic data shows that dogs were probably first domesticated somewhere in Central Asia, although its probable that they had multiple domestications. At any rate, the use of dogs for hunting and watching was well known in Ancient China and there were specific breeds for that. Dogs used for food and ceremonial sacrifice were other specific breeds.

    Confucius himself writes in the Book of Rites about giving a respectful burial to his dog, complete with grave offerings.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  69. @Anon

    I don’t believe their summarized conclusion.

    Using administrative register data and cognitive ability scores from military conscription data covering three decades of Norwegian birth cohorts (1962–1991), we show that the observed Flynn effect, its turning point, and subsequent decline can all be fully recovered from within-family variation.

    1) Short span.
    How solid you can be capturing both the Flynn effect and it’s subsequent decline in a span, that is barely at/over a West-European generation. (Most families would have precisely one generation in this interval. My family has only a fraction of one generation in this interval.) It’s going to be weak sauce that you torque into shape with your analysis.

    2) Immigration must have had some effect.
    If “can all be fully recovered from within family variation” is true than there is something wrong with their methodology. 1991 is early in the disaster, but there must be *some* 2nd generation non-whites and half-whites born in Norway before then, and we know those kids are part of what is pulling down IQ. This early it probably isn’t most of the effect, but it must account for some of it.

    3) Within families doesn’t mean same genes–dysgenics.
    Finally, their resulting Flynn effect rise, then decline within families does not mean “environment”.
    Simple example: Two bog standard families with 100 IQs. In ’62 one family has twin girls–Sigrid-Stupid and Kristina-Career. The other twin boys Knut-Knucklehead and Magnus-Cum-Laude. Sigrid is lazy and stupid (85) and in days of old would not have found a good husband and been well fed enough to be a big breeder, but with welfare she hooks up with Knut-Knucklehead and by 1987 they’ve popped out three morons. Meanwhile Kristina-Career (115 IQ) has used her smarts to lasso Magnus-Cum-Laude at Uni … but pops out only one kid, perhaps in 1996 after the study closes. Same Norwegian families, but welfare, the taming of natural forces–disease, famine, etc.–and female careerism is bringing on actual genetic decline.

    This doesn’t even require these fertility distortions of female careerism. What people sometimes miss is *every* born generation is genetically “inferior” to their parents. (Not to their parent’s generation, but to their actual parents.) Mutation. Most mutation is negative. It requires the continual culling of the unfit–the stupid, lazy, weak, sickly, etc. etc.–both by death and by reproductive failure, to keep each generation as fit as its parents. If you’re lucky the culling/fertility makes each generation a bit better, but you need the culling just to keep from getting worse.

    It takes foxes and coyotes, hawks and eagles just to keep rabbits rabbitty. It takes disease and winter and no-marriage-on-offer just to keep Europeans “Europeany”. And as those constraints have been pushed away by modernity recent generations of whites have become less Europeany and more garbagy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  70. Lot says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    It is far from established this was a battle with Romans. The timeline is right, as is its scale. But the Germanic tribes fought among themselves quite often.

    As to who started the Germano-Roman wars of that period, they generally began when Germanic tribes invaded the lands of Rome’s Gallic tribe allies.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  71. @Lot

    Was that the usual justification for Rome invasions, though? They found allies locally, and when allies were attacked, their Roman patrons now could retaliate with unlimited retribution. It was quite a different model than, say, the Persian model of outright aggression.

    All in all, it does display impressive political savvy.

    • Replies: @Lot
  72. @AnotherDad

    If these were indeed victims of a Roman punitive expedition, then it’s less like a defense of Roman turf and more like an incursion into someone else’s turf to kill whoever they found in savage fashion and plunder whatever little they could – hardly an admirable thing even by the standards of the time, which the Romans could only justify in the name of revenge for Teutoburg.

  73. Rosie says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Confucius himself writes in the Book of Rites about giving a respectful burial to his dog, complete with grave offerings.

    Confucius is a gem. If Whites are to look to any foreign creed for guidance through these dark times, he is the one I would prefer, and there is no close second.

    Genomic data shows that dogs were probably first domesticated somewhere in Central Asia, although its probable that they had multiple domestications.

    I don’t know how much that matters. What matters is pervasiveness of dog culture, and the extent to which it conferred a survival advantage, not place of origin.

    I suspect that what may have happened is that dogs actually reduced the fitness gap between more and less aggressive men, as well as the selective pressure on women to choose the former.

    Didn’t Central Asia used to be White?

    In any event, it’s not out of the question that the domestication of dogs had a pacifying effect on both European and NE Asian men.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  74. Rosie says:
    @Whiskey

    Anecdotally, I know not data, White women find Black men more attractive than White men find Black women.

    True, but that’s not saying much.

    I wonder what White women thought of Loving v. Virginia. That case was decided in 1967, fifty years after women’s suffrage. Is there any history of grassroots women’s activism against miscegenation laws? They certainly turned out to fight school desegregation.

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/segregations-constant-gardeners

    Expect more and more of these articles ginning up hatred of White women going forward. That suits me fine. It clarifies matters.

  75. @Rosie

    Well, even the San, an obscure African tribe mostly wiped out by the Bantu now, have hunting dogs and a mythology involving dogs. Dogs do seem to be fundamental part of humanity.

    IIRC Dr. Peter Frost, who has graced us with his presence in this thread, had a theory on European empathy but essentially it has to do with the necessity of long-term planning and K selection, as polygamy beyond the minimal becomes less fruitful versus in Africa due to increased parental contribution needed for successful rearing. Such increased need for communication therefore would be directly related to empathy(a trait involving considering the feelings of others).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  76. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Did Germanicus get as far as Jutland? He did carry out many massacres of this kind, but I don’t know if his armies were active that far north.

    • Replies: @myself
  77. @Whiskey

    OKCupid data indicated otherwise.

    I don’t actually know if Dr. Kanazawas’ research indicated such specifically, either. Didn’t he just classify for masculinity? There is a relationship with attractiveness and mate choice, I am certain, but it is not exactly the same.

  78. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    This is a dark and dismal view of life though. You can’t blame people for wanting to believe comforting religious or egalitarian ideas instead.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @bomag
  79. Rosie says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Well, even the San, an obscure African tribe mostly wiped out by the Bantu now, have hunting dogs and a mythology involving dogs.

    Might that not support the dog hypothesis?

    Dogs do seem to be fundamental part of humanity.

    This is an overstatement, and even if it is not, cynophilia does not seem to have reverberated throughout other cultures as in the West. I’m actually suggesting that even the White man’s history of relative fairness to women, as well as his concern for wildlife, may be related to this empathic quality.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/these-fluffy-wildcats-are-getting-their-own-sanctuary-in-siberia

    Let’s be honest. White men don’t go around destroying wildlife for penis enhancement or whatever.

    Close your eyes and picture a “crazy cat lady.” What color is she?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anonym
  80. The low class, overweight Viking women seen to be virtue signalling by giving birth to black and Arab babies. “Hey, everyone, look at me! I am not prejudiced! I only have sex with minority men!” Their poor kids have low IQ coming their way from both sides.

    More concerning, how to get Chinese women to leave Jewish men alone. And Gentile women too.

  81. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Anyway, for sh!ts and giggles. LOL.

    https://www.theroot.com/an-open-letter-from-black-america-to-white-peoples-pets-1818993839

    Anyway, I don’t really know. I’m just speculating, and there may not be any way to test the dog hypothesis anyway.

  82. @Daniel Chieh

    Daniel, I get all that. I know it’s not my each-to-his-own-nation ideal.

    But i’m specifically saying despite all the slaughter and cruelty at least these guys were–winning or losing–*fighting*. There’s nothing worse than what’s happening in the West where we white guys are ceding our nations to inferior foreigners–whom we’d easily beat–without a fight. Nothing worse. Umanly, pathetic, embarassing–did i say pathetic?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Anonym
    , @myself
  83. One factor might be that many conscripts don’t want to do their best in these IQ tests. Scoring well will likely prolong their military service, because they’ll get signed up for officer training. That’s the way it works in Finland at least. My impression as a conscript was that perhaps the majority didn’t want to do their best, they wanted to get out as soon as possible.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Arne Pedersen
  84. Anonym says:
    @Rosie

    That’s a really interesting questions – why do Europeans have more empathy, or so it seems? We had chivalry. The Japanese developed something of an analog of chivalry with their Bushido, but in war against foreigners this was likely waived.

    A kind of altruism is a winning outcome in the iterated prisoner’s dilemma.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma#The_iterated_prisoner’s_dilemma

    In real life you not only have opportunities to cooperate or shaft other people in continuous dealings with them; people also talk. Many or most industries have a relatively small number of participants. Farming or hunting communities, even smaller. So not only does your own deceptive behavior come back to haunt you through your actions directly with other people (they stop dealing with you or deliberately seek revenge on you), everyone they know and a lot of people they talk to will hear about what you do, preventing further cooperation.

    Hence, there is a lot of incentive for altruistic behavior, or at least non-a$$holish behavior. The question may be – why are the other areas different?

    Clannishness and genetic interrelatedness may form a part of that. I am not sure though, would have to think about it more.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  85. @AnotherDad

    Modernity is pretty pathetic.

    I support Bronze Age Pervert.

    Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!

  86. Anonym says:
    @AnotherDad

    But i’m specifically saying despite all the slaughter and cruelty at least these guys were–winning or losing–*fighting*. There’s nothing worse than what’s happening in the West where we white guys are ceding our nations to inferior foreigners–whom we’d easily beat–without a fight. Nothing worse. Umanly, pathetic, embarassing–did i say pathetic?

    The issue is in part due to the government control over society. The calculus is that if you fight, the police will incarcerate you or worse. If you as a policeman don’t do your job, you will be punished or sacked. That’s why it’s heartening to see this:

    What surprises me is that more of the genuinely suicidal (and there are plenty) don’t emulate Breivik, or Luca Traini.

  87. eah says:

    Flynn Effect in Reverse

    aka regression toward the mean

  88. Anon[745] • Disclaimer says:

    This should pretty much end the idea that IQ is wholly environmental in origin as living standards, nutrition, healthcare options, and educational opportunities have generally increased until the present time. This effect, however, is consistent with the idea that cognitive ability is inherited and can change, population-wise, as a result of dysgenic pressures (low fertility rate of high IQ individuals, importation of low IQ immigrants, higher birthrate of low IQs, etc.). It is also consistent with the idea that the Flynn Effect in Western nations was largely due to increased nutritional access at an early age – perhaps a few other things as well. Now that the environmental aspect of cognitive ability has been maxed out, it stands to reason that IQ increase should stop, and then slowly reverse itself under dysgenic pressures. This is common sense. It amazes me that anyone could have ever thought otherwise.

    • Replies: @Tim of the North
  89. Rosie says:
    @anon

    Do not despair, there is hope in Brussels. The EU acknowledgement of the immigration policy disaster is a bellwether event. The problems in Germany, Sweden, France, England, Italy and other countries are in contrast to the relative calm in Hungary. Now the endgame or some modification of the EU will become more pressing as national interests rise in awareness.

    They’ve got a tiger by the tail and they’re running out of time. Before the internets nobody ever would have heard this conversation:

    • Replies: @Anonym
  90. Brutusale says:
    @phil

    Well, Phil, you may want to ask yourself if you can trust a chart that shows Guatemala and El Salvador, two places that we accept refugees from because of their shithole nation status, have a higher happiness index than Japan, a clean, thriving First World nation in anyone’s estimation.

    • Agree: Mishra
  91. @Roderick Spode

    Miscegenation really is the nub of the issue, isn’t it?

    Recently I was trying to watch an old movie in which Bruce Willis led a team of elite ranger types into deepest Africa to haul out some sorry assed nuns, priests and a nurse who were tending the walking wounded, victims of the mayhem and violence attending one of that continent’s interminable revolutions.

    Of course, the nurse, as a classical liberal, responded to Willis’ insistence that they leave immediately before the rebels overran the church/hospital by saying she wouldn’t leave her patients etc., would stay and die with them before she left them and so on. Absolutely absurd logic, but that’s what passes for morality in Hollywood. Anyway, there it is. The white man being called upon to put his and the lives of his trained buddies on the line for the moronic self-defeating logic of the white chick.

    Why? Why didn’t he just say, “As you like” and walk away? Why does the white man bother? White women have grown to expect this and hence, they take advantage of us.

    So, they go out and screw around with whomsoever they please and then expect, demand, that the white man pick up the tab. “Do it for the children” is always the prelude to a request for a handout.

    White women need to be scared straight. Today, they face no consequences for their acts. White men protect them and support their bastard offspring. We should refuse.

    No white woman should receive a penny’s support for her child if that child is the offspring of a man of a non-white race. She made her bed, let her sleep in it.

    As it is, today, “liberated” woman reserve the right to use “My body, myself” howsoever they please. Very well then. As you like it. You’re on your own.

  92. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Domestication of dogs probably happened when some group of pre-modern people destroyed a wolf den, and someone brought the puppies back for their kids to play with.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  93. Realist says:

    OT; Steve you should talk to Ron about considering Caitlyn Johnstone as a contributor. She currently has an interesting article that I think your readers would like called: Twelve Tips For Making Sense Of The World

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Harry Baldwin
  94. @Anonymous

    Probably a bit more complex than that, as dogs technically are mentally retarded wolves:

    https://www.insidescience.org/news/rare-human-syndrome-may-explain-why-dogs-are-so-friendly

    Williams syndrome, also known as Williams-Beuren syndrome, occurs when people are missing of a chunk of DNA containing about 27 genes. The syndrome affects about one in 10,000 people, and it is associated with a suite of mental and physical traits, including bubbly, extroverted personalities, a broad forehead, full cheeks, heart defects, intellectual disability and an affinity for music.

  95. J.Ross says: • Website
    @wren

    Got that, was attempting cleverness.
    I was hoping somebody would correct my reading of it but it looks like these pseudo-intellectuals are relying on a level of dishonesty that wouldn’t work in a public grade school.

    • Replies: @wren
  96. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Realist

    Is she any relation to Diane Johnstone?

    • Replies: @Realist
  97. Lot says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Savvy is the right word. Caesar conquered a lot of land with one pretty small army through better tactics and diplomacy.

    The classic method of their conquest was to take the weaker side in a civil war in return for conceding independence, and this worked many different times from Belgium to Judea.

  98. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with the argument that Europeans are inherently predisposed to show kindness to animals is that until the 19th century they were just as cruel as anyone. Every kind of blood sport was popular, like bull baiting, which wasn’t just a sport but also based on the belief that torturing animals to death improved the taste of the meat. Work animals were also treated with great cruelty.

    Two things happened in the 19th and 20th centuries to change this: urbanisation, which produced large numbers of people with no knowledge of wild/farm animals, only pets, and industrialisation, which made animals obsolete as beasts of burden.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  99. Anyone watch “Occupied” or “Okkupert” on Netflix? Not a bad little series. It imagines a green party victory in Norway, in-turn they shut off the tap of North Sea Oil to the world which begets a a soft or silk invasion of Norway by the Russians at the behest of the EU which has gone into a economic depression. In this imagined world, the USA has withdrawn from NATO. Anyway, as with all western media today they seemly go out of there way to create a diverse cast including a female Somali/Norwegian justice married to a Norwegian security officer. Much political drama, some fighting back but not enough to be sated, nevertheless not a bad watch.

  100. Rosie says:
    @TWS

    bastards

    Do watch your language in mixed company.

    In fact, out of wedlock births are often followed by weddings in Scandinavia. It’s common to wait until after a second child to actually get married. Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t think this is a positive development. It’s just not as bad as it appears if you just look at out-of-wedlock birth rates.

    http://www.nordicreach.com/its_about/lifestyle/135/

  101. wren says:
    @J.Ross

    If I were Chinese I could call it the “Three Nos Policy.”

    NO NOticing in NOrway!

    • Replies: @wren
  102. @Anonymous

    This is a dark and dismal view of life though. You can’t blame people for wanting to believe comforting religious or egalitarian ideas instead.

    I guess it hits some this way. I find the wonder of nature–the flowering of life especially–to be pretty darn amazing and beautiful. I thank God every day, that i’m on the planet and my kids are healthy, good people and doing well. Life is awesome!

    And yes, we must takes steps now to avoid mutational load and dysgenics. Big deal. This isn’t even hard. How about “if you can support yourself, we’ll help you out, but the price is no kids–if you don’t have the wherewithall to support kids, you shouldn’t have kids.” For the sickly, same message. If genetic linked disease–screen it out before proceeding.

    Again, none of this is difficult for a society that is healthy and rational. Such a society wants its next generation to be smart, healthy, strong.

    Unfortunately, we’ve been force fed all these stupid, non-sensical “lessons of World War II”–anti-nationalism, “diversity is our strength”, eugenics is evil. Irrationality on steroids.

  103. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    This doesn’t even require these fertility distortions of female careerism. What people sometimes miss is *every* born generation is genetically “inferior” to their parents. (Not to their parent’s generation, but to their actual parents.) Mutation. Most mutation is negative. It requires the continual culling of the unfit–the stupid, lazy, weak, sickly, etc. etc.–both by death and by reproductive failure, to keep each generation as fit as its parents. If you’re lucky the culling/fertility makes each generation a bit better, but you need the culling just to keep from getting worse.

    Well that’s the most depressing thing I’ve heard all day. Hopefully we’ll find a better way before we’re all a bunch of blithering idiots.

    • Replies: @Lot
  104. @Anon

    We can call it the Idiocracy Effect. Tim

  105. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonym

    Japanese had no concept of charity until Buddhist missionaries introduced it, and generally East Asians have intense clannishness: they will meet all obligations within family or business or organizational groups, but owe nothing to a stranger. Thus, meeting someone is a big deal. This is frequently compared to sociopathy by non-Asian observers but probably resulted from high population concentrations and food emergencies. There are plenty of horror stories of Japanese demonstrating a lack of empathy to their thoroughly Japanese landsmen, and during the period of voluntary isolation they hardly had a choice.

  106. @wren

    But I didn’t have the salmon mousse!

  107. denjae says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “Marriage statistics” having WHAT??? to do, with bro’s siring babies?

  108. Lot says:
    @Rosie

    We already have the tech to do DNA screening of embryos. Make 50, pick the best 6, and implant 1 or 2 at a time until the parents get the number of kids they want. Total cost is like about $50k for this, and it pays for itself when the kid gets a college scholarship the randomly chosen embryo would not have.

    This is probably already happening in China.

    In about another 10 years, we may be able to pick the best embryos, then do a few minor DNA edits. #42 might have been your favorite but has a single dangerous mutation, so fix that up. Then fix up that baldness gene and give him the asian “low body odor” genotype.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  109. wren says:
    @Foreign Expert

    Yes, Wikipedia tells me that:

    Her Norwegian mother Sara Astar (born 1984), is the daughter of Iranian artist Mery Zamani (born 1961), and a Japanese father.

    As everyone knows, Iran + Japan / 2 = Norway

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jordan

  110. Lagertha says:
    @Clyde

    Muslims, because of their strict adherence to the Kuran, don’t belong in Scandinavia – the population of the biggest sausage and pig eaters on the planet!!! hahahhhaaaa. There is no life for them, if, they want to stay Muslim, in the North – if they let their children marry pagans & Lutherans, well, then, I have no argument. But, with Somali’s here, for 20+ years, parallel cultures have evolved. The Muslim women work minimal paying jobs…and the men collect unemployment and child benefits. The women are stuck and the men rob European countries.

    No one likes Muslims or wants them in their country, especially in the North. Scandoes have been weird about sex and women being more powerful for centuries; and, the retrograde beliefs of Muslim men is anathema to Nordic women…well, ugly fat women may complain….sheesh, don’t have an opinion about that! haha!

    Small deal but big deal for Scandoes: hallal – animals suffer and die (to purify the meat) at the hands of these barbaric people. PETA will make war on Muslims before we even know it, haha! The left’s war on religion needs to recognize that Islam is much more, way much more, retrograde to women, gays, atheists…cattle, etc. All religions justify their raison d’ etre.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  111. Rosie says:
    @Lot

    Make 50, pick the best 6, and implant 1 or 2 at a time until the parents get the number of kids they want.

    I really hope it doesn’t come to that. Can’t we just edit the genetic code somehow?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Lot
  112. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Proposal for Jews to escape all the anti-White hatred they’ve fomented:

    Edit just the melanin production gene in your offspring to make them black like Nigerians and blend in to the new “oppressed” SS African majority: “We’re one of you our goyish home boy brotha’s from anotha motha’s!”

    If/when it’s fashionable to be white again just switch it back.

  113. @Rosie

    That requires us to understand the genetic code, which doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon. It turns out that is much more complex than we had originally assumed.

    We are also limited in empirical testing unless we can experiment on cloned humans, although primates are decent analogues.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  114. Lot says:
    @Rosie

    Between people who are too poor and those who have moral qualms, it won’t be more than 5% of new births involving such genetic engineering for a good while. Though I could seen going above 50% in urban NE Asian areas.

  115. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    >progress in fully understanding and exploiting the genome is hampered by ethics

  116. anon[666] • Disclaimer says:

    Proposal for Jews to repent for all the harm they’ve done to white, western civilization:
    Instead of having biological children, Jews should all adopt Scandinavian children and raise them as Jews, teaching them that they are God’s Chosen People, that they are the Earth’s most persecuted, that any criticism of their behavior is prima facie anti-Semitism and verboten, and that they should work nepotistically to dominate the press, buy off the venal elite and never interbreed with the Goyim.

    This way, Jewish customs will be preserved (davening, eating Haman’s ears, etc.), Jews will be repenting for their greatest evil deed (and to some extent undoing it) and the Jewish people get a hotness upgrade. It’s a win, win, win situation.

    Marry the hotness and general wonderfullness of Scandinavians with the ashkepathy, unselfawarness, double standards, and time tested nepotistic strategizing that Jews have so effectively employed for centuries, and you get something really special.

  117. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    I read that article too.

  118. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Michaels post is too long and too well written to have been written by Tiny Duck. I thinks it’s attilathehen who’s always writing about White wombs colonized by blacks.

    And how does Michael know who the father of the baby is just from observing a couple on the street? If he did observe such couples.

  119. @Anon

    Yes, Jews are in full control of the Scandinavian media, that’s why the Scandinavian media is really pro-Israel:

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10114

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @BB753
    , @Svigor
  120. Medvedev says:
    @Clyde

    According to the old data from Wikipedia, % of immigrants:
    Sweden – 14.3%
    Norway – 13.8%
    Not a big difference.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Reg Cæsar
  121. Dr. Doom says:

    Experts agree that declining IQs in the West are due entirely to environmental causes. Interestingly, this environment seems to be where there are open borders and immigration from places described by visitors as diseased mudholes. Disingenuous government officials are blaming the weather and claim that only by reducing births amongst the White population can this stressful situation be reversed.

    “Its getting hot in here, due to angry White males.”, they said.

  122. bomag says:
    @unpc downunder

    Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city, the capital of the prosperous province of Scania, has 270.000 inhabitants. But the city has a population that is almost 40 percent foreign and the Jews are leaving the city.

    The Israeli national team of Taekwondo was forced to cancel its trip to Sweden due to “security reasons”.

    If the burgeoning of anti-Semitism in Norway has a long tradition, in the twentieth century Sweden was one of the most welcoming lands to Jews. Many Jews took refuge in Sweden fleeing the Third Reich and almost all the Danish Jews found a safe haven in Sweden.

    Now the slandering of the Jews and Israel is part of the national consensus. The Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet has even suggested that Israeli soldiers are transplanting organs from dead Palestinians.

    Seems to be a combination of demographic change and throwing in on the side of the Palestinians.

  123. bomag says:
    @phil

    The difference seems to be in self reported levels of happiness.

    The self-effacing don’t score as high here, but they build countries that score better in the other categories.

  124. Anonym says:
    @Rosie

    They’ve got a tiger by the tail and they’re running out of time. Before the internets nobody ever would have heard this conversation:

    That is gold. Thanks for posting. Reminiscent of BLS.

  125. BB753 says:
    @unpc downunder

    For Jews, every single country in the world is always seconds away from a pogrom. It’s called paranoia and can’t be cured.

    “Once a haven for Jews, Sweden is a hotbed of anti-Semitism. Norway is just as bad. What does that say about Europe?”

  126. Travis says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    interesting , but you need to determine the fertility of the white females who are married to non-western males verse those who are married to Norwegians. many of the Norwegian women are having kids without getting married, are these non-married women more likely to have children with non-western males ?

  127. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Religious and egalitarian ideas are part of the dynamic promoting modern dysgenic trends. They’re not the complete answer.

  128. Verrry interesting. According to a recent report, IQ scores are dropping in the US of A too. As in the above article, among the reasons are “changes in the environment” though no specifics are given. For what it’s worth, it’s also interesting to note that there is evidence to suggest that fewer and fewer people are supposedly reading books these days–especially young people. No clue if there is a correlation.

  129. Ragno says:

    Maybe we can get Robet DeNiro to explain this report in layman’s terms.

  130. bomag says:
    @wren

    This is a chronicle of the end of civilization.

    The girl was then raped again by Jusuf Abdirazak, whom the judge described as acting “without humanity and with no pity whatsoever”.

  131. jim jones says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Not as good as Ginger Baker:

    • Replies: @Arne Pedersen
  132. Rosie says:
    @Medvedev

    According to the old data from Wikipedia, % of immigrants:
    Sweden – 14.3%
    Norway – 13.8%
    Not a big difference.

    I’m suspicious. I wouldn’t put it past the Swedish government to lie. I seem to remember them being caught telling whoppers about immigration before.

  133. Is Oliver James’s Not in Your Genes in print in the US yet? I just saw the UK edition in, of all places, on the new books shelf in a small rural library. (Along with the Good Retirement Guide 2018, which will be of great help to retired US farmers in navigating the Inland Revenue, NI, NHS, and State Pension schemes, as long as they have a calculator near at hand to convert from sterling to pork bellies.)

    James claims, using the Genome Project, that while physical traits are heritable, psychological traits are almost never passed on through genes. In an extreme example, he says that although he has MS and his son has never seen him ambulatory, the boy dribbles a soccer ball exactly the same way he did when young. And that, too, is environmental.

    Who is this guy?

  134. @Finnish dude

    Officer training in Norway is voluntary .

  135. @jim jones

    I see your Ginger Baker and raise you a Gavin Harrison :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igDSyZMy8_E

  136. @Michael Krauthammer

    Where on earth did you get the name Krauthammer?? Its GOT to be from hearing about Charls Krauthammer being given weeks to live. (Any comment on that,
    BTW, Dear Leader?)

    I look forward to your next trolling attempt. who will it be? Spike Netanyahu?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  137. Svigor says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Marriage is a proxy, (((sir))). It matters a lot more than (((your word))).

  138. Svigor says:
    @unpc downunder

    CTRL-F “Muslim” 0 hits CTRL-F “Islam” 0 hits

    (((More Lies)))

    CTRL-W close tab

  139. @Nat Philosopher

    The study showed 45 ug per kg per day led to the one-point deficit. 4400 ug in six months for an infant weighing 5 kg is 5 ug/kg/day -> negligible effect.

    • Replies: @Nat Philosopher
  140. @Bartolo

    The “Nnylf effect”.

    I was going to say… that sounds awfully Norwegian. The nnylf could be a neighbor of the elf, the troll, the gnome, and the julenisse.

  141. @Medvedev

    According to the old data from Wikipedia, % of immigrants:
    Sweden – 14.3%
    Norway – 13.8%
    Not a big difference.

    How many of those immigrants are from other Scandinavian countries? They have free movement. I saw few Third Worlders in Denmark and Finland in the ’80s, but other Nordics, Germans, and other Europeans were not rare. The makeup of the 14.3% and 13.8% could vary internally.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Swedes and Norwegians move to Finland and Denmark to get away from the migrant influx.

    On the other hand, whites keep moving to Texas, Florida, Georgia, and the like, despite the blacker and/or browner nature of the local populations.

  142. @Father O'Hara

    When Bush II was banging the war drums for the invasion of Iraq, the neocons were furious at the French for refusing to join the parade. Charles Krauthammer was in such high dudgeon that Joe Sobran suggested he change his name to Froghammer.

  143. wren says:

    Maybe modern pc culture just causes people to shed IQ points.

    I mean, for example, take all these atrocious child grooming sex scandals in England going back to the eighties.

    Winston Smith’s peers weren’t stupid, but when they were told that chocolate rations were being increased, even when they had previously thought otherwise, they believed it.

    When the folks in Telford and Rotherham and all those other villages were told in 1984 that their Pakistani neighbors would bring needed diversity to the community, I suppose they believed it.

    Pakistani neighbors are good neighbors.

    And when their daughters were drugged and raped and sold by the thousands, it looks like they still believed it, otherwise the tragedy wouldn’t have gone on for so many decades in so many places.

    How dumb do you have to become to let people come into your neighborhood and drug, rape and turn your daughters into sex slaves?

    This is all because pc culture forces doublethink on its victims, unless I am missing something.

    The Flynn Effect in reverse.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/930150/Sex-crimes-abuse-trafficking-Telford-prostitution-UK-police-authorities-Rotherham

  144. Mishra says:
    @phil

    Japan’s ranking is ridiculous, although if you note its performance on all the metrics (aside from ‘residual’) it does fairly well–as it should. Just look at the graphic instead of the ranking.

  145. Michiel says:

    Steve – You are burying the lead. This study demonstrates very clearly that this has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration (that’s a different story). It solves for genetic issues – by looking at families over time. It demonstrates that the Flynn Effect was very real until about 1975 when a pronounced decline commences. The cause must therefore be environmental factors. Suggestions include: declining quality of the education system, negative influence of time spent on smart phones and video games, changes in nutrition.

    This is obviously very interesting. Someone born in 1975 graduated from high school virtually without the internet being present at all. Maybe a Personal Computer in the house but no internet and no smart phones until well into college/graduate school.

    The anecdotal evidence that the babyboom generation is less mentally agile than their Gen X children is compelling, as well as the idea that the millenials are less intelligent than Gen X.

    Macron is the first Gen X head of state of a major power. We can use some more. Hopefully they will be smart enough to realize all of this and finally fix the broken education system.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  146. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem with the argument that Europeans are inherently predisposed to show kindness to animals is that until the 19th century they were just as cruel as anyone.

    Variations of this argument can be used to negate just about any claim of distinctiveness on the part of White people, and often are so used, with respect to Whites only.

    And of course this begs the question why animal welfare became an issue of concern among Whites as opposed to other groups.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  147. @Faraday's Bobcat

    You are reading it wrong. They specifically say that it cost one point per day of feeding.
    The infants getting the parenteral feeding with aluminum got 45 µg per day. The infants getting feeding without aluminum got 5 µg per day. So the difference was 40 µg Of aluminum per day. And one day of feeding With aluminum cost one development point.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  148. anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Are you suggesting that falsifying history for identity is more important than trying to find out what’s real? The argument that, for example, Anglos became much less violent after the MAOA gene decreased is only useful once you consider that extensive capital punishment killed all whites with the MAOA gene(or mostly so). And so you do get an accurate view that Anglos are relatively less violent, but that requires understanding that at one point, it wasn’t so.

    In trying to tailor some sort of essentialism, you make it harder to understand what’s actually going on.

    Its also trying to belabor the notion that empathy and weakness are somehow traits to particular extol, which the main crew here of men are obviously not about to jump on and take pride in how sissy we can be. Stop pussying us.

  149. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    This is similar to the claim that whites are as a race are uniquely concerned for the environment. That may actually be true as of 2018, but it sure wasn’t in the past.

    A good example is the Pacific Northwest, which nowadays is thick with white tree-huggers. However before their ancestors showed up in the area it was thick with actual trees.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  150. @Nat Philosopher

    Okay, aluminum is neurotoxic – no surprise there. Do you have a reference for the following?

    The US current vaccine schedule injects 4400 µg of aluminum in the first six months of life.

    • Replies: @Nat Philosopher
  151. Clyde says:
    @Lagertha

    Scandoes have been weird about sex and women being more powerful for centuries;

    Like you have to tell me!? I saw all five Seasons of Vikings TV series on History channel. Full of strong, fighting, baby dropping women with even a few lesbian kisses each season. But over all the men were dominant.
    That unslick B series is geared to my mind.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  152. Rosie says:

    Are you suggesting that falsifying history for identity is more important than trying to find out what’s real?

    No. There is no evidence that cruelty to animals has ever been widespread among Whites, various perverted subcultures notwithstanding.

    Its also trying to belabor the notion that empathy and weakness are somehow traits to particular extol, which the main crew here of men are obviously not about to jump on and take pride in how sissy we can be. Stop pussying us.

    Here it sounds like you are the one who balks at dispassionate truth-seeking. Allow me to elaborate on what I had in mind with my surmise that dog domestication may have shaped the character of the White man and the civilization he created.

    The domestication of dogs might have provided some males to “outsource” certain aggressive tendencies and sensory capabilities to his canine partners, thereby allowing him to develop more refined qualities over time, such as gratification deferment, ingenuity, cooperativeness. These may be “pussy” characteristics by your reckoning (not mine), but they are no doubt essential characteristics for the kind of high-trust society Whites tend to create. As another commenter noted, trust is essential to commerce, and you can’t really have a complex, prosperous society without it.

    By leveling the playing field, dogs may have provided more intelligent, creative, and cooperative men with an advantage over less intelligent brutes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  153. @Rosie

    Rosie, it wasn’t all that long ago that bear-baiting was an English pastime.  The phrase “room to swing a cat” is still au courant.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  154. myself says:
    @Anonymous

    As far as I’ve read, almost certainly as far as the lower Elbe, of not slightly further east. This region is somewhat close to Jutland already, so it’s very possible Germanicus’ legions at least conducted strong forays into the Jutland region.

    Side note: Rome was well-aware of the relative vastness of the Germanic homelands. They probed all along the Rhine and Danube (so establishing Germania’s western and southern boundaries, and they even scouted along the Vistula to delineate the eastern borders.

    Their ranger-scouts (probably auxilia), traders, scholars and strategists also knew that the German original homeland was southern Scandinavia.

  155. myself says:
    @AnotherDad

    Quote from Napoleon:

    “The moral is to the physical as three is to one”.

    The spirit of the West is flagging, after centuries of mighty exertion (about 5 centuries, actually) and dominance.

    Today, sans spirit, we enter . . . the downward spiral.

    In terms of analogies, the United States might well become the Byzantine civilization to Europe’s Roman.

    The original homeland declines and falls, the “successor civilization” on the Western side of the Atlantic manages a pathetic, truncated echo of its former glory – only to itself fall in the latter 21st century.

  156. dfordoom says: • Website
    @wren

    How dumb do you have to become to let people come into your neighborhood and drug, rape and turn your daughters into sex slaves?

    This is all because pc culture forces doublethink on its victims, unless I am missing something.

    The Flynn Effect in reverse.

    Or maybe IQ just isn’t all that important? Maybe morality and a sense of responsibility are more important if you want a civilised functional society.

    The people who decided that mass Third World immigration would be a great idea were high IQ people. They were wrong. They were wrong because although they had high IQs they were idiots with no sense of morality and no capacity to consider the possibility they might be making a mistake and no sense of responsibility towards their own country.

    The people who were opposed to mass Third World immigration were the lower IQ people.

    The lesson is that high IQ seems to have a negative survival value for a society. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that a functional society needs a very small number of high IQ people, and every high IQ person over and above that very small required number is a threat to the society’s long-term survival.

    • Replies: @myself
  157. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Michiel

    This study demonstrates very clearly that this has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration (that’s a different story). It solves for genetic issues – by looking at families over time. It demonstrates that the Flynn Effect was very real until about 1975 when a pronounced decline commences. The cause must therefore be environmental factors. Suggestions include: declining quality of the education system, negative influence of time spent on smart phones and video games, changes in nutrition.

    Yep. And what’s amusing is that the IQ fetishists here totally missed the point.

  158. @Nat Philosopher

    Indeed, your reading appears to be correct.

  159. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:

    What is beauty or what does it mean in relation to evolution?
    Why do we prefer beautiful people?
    Natural selection!

    We have been selected to prefer people with certain looks. They are not universally beautiful, but they are beautiful because they were the most successful or fittest.
    We have to puke from smelling rotten meat, because we are descendents of those who avoided rotten meat. We love grilled meat, because we are the descendents of those who preferred it. Grilling meat is a huge advantage, because it kills all kinds of insects, viruses and germs.

    They became beautiful because they were the fittest or most adaptable. Grilled meat became more tasty than raw meat because fewer died from it.

    Beautiful people were the most successful in reproducing. The are the middle of the bell curve, the average. They represent the average, or atleast the average of our ancestors.

    If we assume that beautiful people are the best representation of our ancestors, than we can see how the IQ of the current population compares to it.

    According to Kanazawa, beautiful people in America have an average IQ of 104.

    If beautiful people are a proxy for our ancestors, we can conclude that americans are 4-6 points less intelligent.

    I call it the beautiful average theory.

  160. myself says:
    @dfordoom

    The lesson is that high IQ seems to have a negative survival value for a society. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that a functional society needs a very small number of high IQ people, and every high IQ person over and above that very small required number is a threat to the society’s long-term survival.

    The trend that high IQ persons have neither a sense of identity with their homelands nor feeling of responsibility for their people is a strictly Western (North American and European) pattern. In those areas, yes those with higher IQ lean “progressive”.

    This is by no means true in the rest of the world today, or indeed in human history. Look outside the West, and you will see responsible nationalist patriotic high IQ elites in most places.

    Exactly how and why the Western high IQ segment became so “leftist”, in contrast to the rest of mankind, is another question in itself.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  161. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Oh yes, Europeans used to torture cats to death for bizarro religious reasons:

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/ritualistic-cat-torture-was-once-a-form-of-town-fun

  162. Rosie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Rosie, it wasn’t all that long ago that bear-baiting was an English pastime.

    You’re still begging the question.

  163. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    This is similar to the claim that whites are as a race are uniquely concerned for the environment. That may actually be true as of 2018, but it sure wasn’t in the past.

    The question is why environmentalism, abolition, and other moral crusades emerged among White people. I see no reason to rule out evolutionary/genetic causes.

  164. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Forget where I got it, but this one will do: https://media.chop.edu/data/files/pdfs/vaccine-education-center-aluminum.pdf
    notice how deceptively it’s written. First they point out that the total amount of aluminum 4 mg from vaccines in the first six months is less than from infant formula and then when you’re not paying attention they tell you that all the vaccine aluminum reaches the bloodstream whereas “less than 1%” of the dietary aluminum reaches the bloodstream. (Actually other sources say about one quarter of a percent of dietary aluminum reaches the bloodstream.) Then they tell you much of the aluminum is removed by the kidneys, but there are studies claiming this is not true for vaccine aluminum which is bound up with antigens and thus too large to be eliminated by the kidneys. This document from u Penn while reassuring to most people is actually something of a disclaimer as I read it.
    The FDA and CDC site a BS theory paper from mitkus et Al and nothing else for safety. As far as I can tell every single paper that actually reports empirical results on the toxicity of the aluminum in the vaccine series reports that it is highly toxic in the quantities administered.

  165. @wren

    How dumb do you have to become to let people come into your neighborhood and drug, rape and turn your daughters into sex slaves?

    How many daughters are in single-mother homes? Destroy the family, remove the protection of the father.

  166. dfordoom says: • Website
    @myself

    The trend that high IQ persons have neither a sense of identity with their homelands nor feeling of responsibility for their people is a strictly Western (North American and European) pattern. In those areas, yes those with higher IQ lean “progressive”.

    This is by no means true in the rest of the world today, or indeed in human history. Look outside the West, and you will see responsible nationalist patriotic high IQ elites in most places.

    I strongly suspect that if you look closely at just about any country on earth today you’ll find that the people busily trying to wreck their own societies will be from the high IQ fraction.

    I think it’s a universal thing. High IQ people believe crazy theories that have no connection with reality. They think they’re too smart to have to worry about boring things like common sense, and reality.

    It’s certainly worse in the West, but high IQ people are a universal menace. We need to find a way to control their numbers.

  167. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    The question is why environmentalism, abolition, and other moral crusades emerged among White people.

    Christianity. Christianity is the root cause of all the craziness that is destroying the West. The West has abandoned religious belief but we still cling tenaciously to our Christian heritage of virtue-signalling, self-righteousness and guilt.

    Christianity wasn’t so harmful back in the days when people actually believed in the God stuff. But once you remove the actual religious belief from Christianity it becomes incredibly toxic.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  168. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    BTW, I think the question may be less one of whether some Westerners have in the past been cruel to animals, and more about whether there exists a determined, passionate minority. It may simply mean that genes associated with altruism are more frequent among Whites, though not universal, giving rise to an activist minority that shames the general population into giving up their cruelty and abuse, whether of non-whites, women, animals, or whatever.

  169. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    BTW, I think the question may be less one of whether some Westerners have in the past been cruel to animals, and more about whether there exists a determined, passionate minority. It may simply mean that genes associated with altruism are more frequent among Whites, though not universal, giving rise to an activist minority that shames the general population into giving up their cruelty and abuse, whether of non-whites, women, animals, or whatever. And I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to suppose that this might have had something to do with dogs giving less aggressive but more intelligent, creative, and cooperative men a leg up in the competition for life.

  170. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    BTW, I think the question may be less one of whether some Westerners have in the past been cruel to animals, and more about whether there exists a determined, passionate minority. It may simply mean that genes associated with altruism are more frequent among Whites, though not universal, giving rise to an activist minority that shames the general population into giving up their cruelty and abuse, whether of non-whites, women, animals, or whatever. And I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to suppose that this might have had something to do with dogs giving less aggressive but more intelligent, creative, and cooperative men a leg up in the competition for life.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  171. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The question is why environmentalism, abolition, and other moral crusades emerged among White people. I see no reason to rule out evolutionary/genetic causes.

    Again, Western hostility to slavery is something that only emerged in the last 200 years. Slavery (like cruelty to animals and exploitation of the environment) used to be a normal part of European culture. Sure there have always been some people opposed to these things, but it’s only relatively recently that their opinions became mainstream. (A cynic would say that the steam engine did more to undermine slavery than the abolitionist movement.)

  172. anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    In summation: shitlibs of the past won, creating sissies where vikings once were.

    Now Rosie predicts the shitlibs will win again.

    How sweet.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosie
  173. Lagertha says:
    @Clyde

    I am a Viking/half farmer-hunterer Finn. I come from the same bay for 2000 years. Our family was traced (Lutheran Church in our district in the 70′s – to 1300′s)) to leave the Baltic shores for the Mediterranean (as far as business) in 1416! The Church, in my home town, made accurate records: when did they die? -and who was important to our town? hahaa, my aunt (she died decades ago) thought it was funny that a thousand years ago, yes, families and town people were arguing over money/inheritance – Oy Vey…indeed. I think Anglos, or whatever ya wanna call them, they argue more over inheritance.

  174. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    Christianity

    I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark and speculate that Christianity is not going to turn Africans into vegans and moral crusaders for the rights of the downtrodden.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  175. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark and speculate that Christianity is not going to turn Africans into vegans and moral crusaders for the rights of the downtrodden.

    Perhaps not, but it’s not Christianity you have to worry about, it’s the de-religionised version of Christianity that dominates the West today that is the problem and it’s spreading its poison over the whole planet.

    And I suspect that even in Africa you’ll find elites who are eager to embrace all the horrors of cultural Christianity, from LGBT activism to feminism to veganism.

  176. Rosie says:
    @anonymous

    In summation: shitlibs of the past won, creating sissies where vikings once were.

    I’m confused. On minute, istevers are going on about how women love thoughtless brutes, which is bad because brutes and civilization don’t mix. I have offered a theory as to how non-brutes might have been better able to attract, protect, and provide for mates and offspring, thus reducing selection pressure for attraction to brutes. Now, I am told that non-brutes are “sissies,” and therefore my theory is insulting to men. I think I’ll start calling myself Rosie in Wonderland, because nothing makes any sense around here.

  177. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Germanicus was trying to do in Germany what Caesar did in Gaul a generation earlier. He was unsuccessful. Why?

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