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From the New York Times:

After #OscarsSoWhite, Hispanics Seek Their Hollywood Moment
By BROOKS BARNES JAN. 21, 2018

“In the last 20 years, only three Hispanic actors have won Academy Awards: Benicio Del Toro, Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem.”

Aren’t Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem Spaniards?

Penelope is a peninsular from the Madrid region, while her husband Javier is a third generation movie star and an isleño from the Canary Islands.

Benicio is the son of a Puerto Rican lawyer and went to a prep boarding school in Pennsylvania, so I guess that qualifies him as a Hispanic.

By the way, these three rank very high on my list of favorite actors.

As I pointed out way back in 2012 in Taki’s Magazine, the last actual Mexican-American actor to get an Oscar nomination was Edward James Olmos in Stand and Deliver in the 1980s.

One straightforward solution is to recognize that Hollywood’s current go-to Mexican-American actor Michael Peña is quite good and give him an Oscar nomination one of these years. Just because he is a funny guy doesn’t mean he isn’t talented at what he does.

 
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  1. I’m tired on Latinos. https://vimeo.com/23330553

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California.... would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican....mucho spicy and hot blooded....
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  2. He went to the same prep school as Jimmy Stewart.

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  3. So what is the correct definition of white in the USA? I don’t think it has ever excluded Iberians. Moroccans is kind of a case by case question though.

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    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    So what is the correct definition of white in the USA?

     

    SNL knows.

    Saturday Night Live Transcripts
    Season 14: Episode 3 [1988]
    88c: John Larroquette / Randy Newman
    Vote Bush III
    [ show each President's head encircled over a North European country ]
    Announcer: Franklin Delano Roosevelt was of white northern European heritage.
    Thomas Jefferson was of white northern European heritage.
    John F. Kennedy was of white northern European heritage.
    George Herbert Walker Bush is of white northern European heritage.
    [ show Dukakis' encircled just above the Mediterranean Sea ]
    But Michael Dukakis?
    Bush. He's whiter.
    [ SUPER: "Bush. He's Whiter." ]

     

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  4. @Lot
    So what is the correct definition of white in the USA? I don't think it has ever excluded Iberians. Moroccans is kind of a case by case question though.

    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren’t Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there’s no one-drop rule. They’re white if they “pass.”

    Or they’re at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren’t considered white at one point.

    *”Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it’s the latter, mother will refuse.”

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Can't imagine who wrote that line, putting those nasty words in his mouth.
    , @AndrewR
    Meh, some Irish are as swarthy as any Med. Colin Farrell is one of the more famous examples. I could see how they might not have been considered hu-white.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Or they’re at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians.
     
    This logic sounds ridiculous. Most "ethnic Italians" are universally considered white, even if there is some non-white admixture in some people considered ethnic Italians. Even Sicilian Americans like Antonin Scalia would be universally considered white.

    Then, of course, there are tons of extremely black Africans now living in Italy as well as the rest of Western + Northern Europe but they aren't considered ethnically European.

    I think 23andme has a reasonably good and objective categorization of human ethnicity that breaks individuals down to percentages.

    , @Dmitry
    In my experience, Spanish people are generally (as a total population, not individuals which can be all types) really darker. Have you ever travelled in Europe? If you go stay in Spain, despite efforts to blend in and not speak, they'll generally spot you are some pale shaded, albino tourist from Northern Europe the moment you walk into any bar or restaurant.
    , @Alden
    Some claim Italians are part Arab. But how can you say Greeks are not really White? As far as I know there were never any Africans or Arabs in Greece
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  5. Steve, any thoughts on this: http://www.unz.com/article/its-time-to-drop-the-jew-taboo/ ?

    This bloke seems to be noticing things you haven’t.

    Perhaps an explanatory essay at Taki’s is in order?

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    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Penelope Cruz , Javier Bardem and Benicio Del Toro all came to our attention via one exclusive medium and each one of them knows exactly who butters their bread.

    To quibble over the hypocrisies and inconsistencies of our collective banishment and isolation from our very own culture and land is borderline autistic.

    Soi disant disaffection and irony won no man his freedom and land.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sy8nS-Te6g
    , @Redneck farmer
    Steve HAS pointed out Jewish anti-Russian hysteria.
    , @Lot
    There is much to learn from this scholarly essay. Had no idea John Oliver and Jeff Bezos were Jews!

    Having the exact same Holocaust denial and 9-11 truther copypastas posted to the end of every single Unz reprint is also handy and convenient.
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  6. As a general refresher course, “Hispanic” means relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking countries, or the ancient region of Hispania, which included the whole Iberian peninsula and nearby islands.

    Ethnically, it usually doesn’t mean merely people who speak Spanish. It means people of Iberian–but mostly Spanish–descent, or mixed-Spanish/Amerind descent. The whiteness of purely European Hispanics is a given, unless their forebears happened to intermix with Africans, or Jews according to some people. You know, the same general principles that apply to any white-ish, European-y people.

    As for Mestizos, their whiteness is a bit more up in the air. In the days of Flight from White, we’ll nitpick mostly in favor of non-whiteness. But really, they’re fairly white. Less brown than many other peoples.

    It wasn’t until the Nixon administration that they were officially recognized as Others. But that really was meant to refer to mixed-race people, not European Hispanics.

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  7. Considering the Netherlands used to be part of Spain, does that mean the Dutch are also now a minority?

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Don't forget Belgium. Tbis might be the excuse they need to stop taking Muslim terrorists.
    , @Thea
    Supposedly the modern Irish migrated from modern day Spain a couple thousand years ago so there you go - the Irish really aren't white despite being the palest Europeans.
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  8. People who live in Spain are not Hispanics or Latinos. They would be greatly offended if called either one. But they are at the top of the worldwide Spanish speakers pyramid and pecking order. Hispanics and Latinos are their inferiors. The Spaniards knows this and their misbegotten offspring in the New World know this.
    Saying that when blue eyed Jose Andreas encounters his Hispanic employees, each one knows their status in this pecking order. And (bullshitter to liberals) Jose Andreas knows he will get instant respect.
    I have seen Latinos here (USA) fawn over visitors from Spain which they call La Madre Patria.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I've seen the same thing. A good friend was from Madrid and everywhere we went, they would instantly recognize his accent and ask which city he was from. When told, their eyes would glaze over as though they were in a reverie.

    Never any hint of resentment--quite the contrary. Their body language conveyed fealty, almost. I was almost jealous. We Anglos certainly don't get that kind of respect, and this is our country. I mean, this was our country.

    , @Big Bill
    A group of young men explained the Spanish v. Mexican concept to me quite forcefully in a gravel parking lot outside a bar in Mora, New Mexico.

    In my cups, I thoughtlessly made the mistake of referring to them as "Mexicans". They told me they were "Spaniards" whose families had been living in New Mexico for several centuries.

    Conquistador-Americans have been living in New Mexico and preserving their conquistador identities for a long, long, long time.
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  9. As an effective democratic political group you want your tent to include as many people as possible. Most Flyers from White moves immediately into minority victimhood groups. Victimhood groups are antithesis of civic nationalism. Wouldn’t Flight from White make it civic nationalism even more difficult?

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  10. Iberians become “oppressed people of color,” entitled to all of the legal “remedies” for their plight, the moment that they land in America. Yes, they are white; yes, they also are Hispanic. By the irrefutable logic of our betters, however, Iberians in America are “people of color,” despite their being white, just as the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, is a “person of color,” despite his being white. Charlie Sheen’s kids, by Denise Richards et al., are “oppressed children of color,” entitled to extra points on their college-admissions applications, because their grandfather’s old man emigrated from Spain, even though Marty’s ma emigrated from Ireland. Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European. If that country’s entire population were air-lifted to Alaska to live, they all would be immediately transmogrified into millions more “oppressed people of color,” the moment that they landed in Anchorage. After all, is that any stranger than our federal government– and our ruling class at large– telling us that Subcontinental Caucasians are of the same “Asian” race as the Japanese? Every time that I see “actresses of color,” like Rita Hayworth and Merle Oberon, in “mixed marriages,” in old movies like “Gilda” or “Wuthering Heights,” I am amazed how open-minded and progressive Hollywood’s old studio system was, with its colorblind casting! (Of course, in “Gilda,” both American characters could be considered Hispanic, once they returned home to America, after living in Argentina; in “Wuthering Heights,” it was the WASP actor, Larry Olivier, who was playing a “character of color,” since he was a Gypsy, while the Anglo-Indian Merle Oberon played a WASP character.)

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    A woman with whom I went to high school was born in Argentina and was among the "97%". As a very young child she emigrated to the US with her family. I don't know how much Spanish she knew but the sense I had was that it was minimal. Notwithstanding all this her daughter, born/raised in the US, was given some kind of reduction in her college tuition by virtue of her "Hispanic" heritage.

    The late Sen. Sam Ervin, when asked why he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, replied that it would open up a can of worms. It did. And the worms are crawling all over the place.
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  11. Universities have been pulling this sleight of hand for a long time, including faculty from Spain in their minority hires numbers.

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    hey, not counting Italian/German/Jewish Argentinians as "Latinos" who represent the Zapatista-Americans on the faculty side is not who we are.
    , @Medina de VonKupferschein
    Having worked in the American academy for a couple of decades I am all too familiar with the reality of your comment.

    The biggest joke of this kind I encountered at an Ivy League school was a WHITE Puerto Rican woman with red-hair, blue eyes and skin so PINK she glowed posing as a "woman of color".

    No one every confronted her fraudulence (she would squeal "racism" faster than Pavlov's dogs would salivate) until one day while I was waiting for a friend at the airport, I crossed paths with her as she was getting off a plane with her WHITER THAN WHITE parents and 2 of her siblings (who she would refer to regularly as "they just look white").

    Never being one to pass up on an LONG overdue healthy slap across the face of a fraud, I approached the 5 of them and said to her..."oh my god I can't believe how white your parents are...I thought you said they were colored?'

    She looked at me as if she had just felt a whale harpoon impale her a-hole...and her parents just looked at her as if to say WTF "Connie-Sue".

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  12. I wish I could the article, but I remember years ago Spaniard Antonio Banderas said in an interview something to the effect, “In Europe I am white, but as soon as my plane lands in the US I am not–I become hispanic.”

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  13. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, any thoughts on this: http://www.unz.com/article/its-time-to-drop-the-jew-taboo/ ?

    This bloke seems to be noticing things you haven't.

    Perhaps an explanatory essay at Taki's is in order?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmtJ6-EY1E

    Penelope Cruz , Javier Bardem and Benicio Del Toro all came to our attention via one exclusive medium and each one of them knows exactly who butters their bread.

    To quibble over the hypocrisies and inconsistencies of our collective banishment and isolation from our very own culture and land is borderline autistic.

    Soi disant disaffection and irony won no man his freedom and land.

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  14. After #OscarsTooJoo , Aryans Seek Their Babelsberg Moment
    By BERNDT BIENERT JAN. 21, 1938

    After Aryan actors and films that focused on Aryan characters were overlooked for Oscar nominations in 1935 and 1936, the #OscarsTooJoo social media outcry was so fierce that Babelsberg was forced to listen. The Ministry of Propaganda & Enlightenment began a determined diversification effort, and last year there were six Aryan acting nominees, a record.

    Circumcising, or casting Jewish actors as Aryan characters, has galvanized Nordics. Stars like Sybille Schmitz have railed against the practice, hurting ticket sales for films like “Geist in der Muschel,” an Imperial manga adaptation starring Linda Lavin.

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  15. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, any thoughts on this: http://www.unz.com/article/its-time-to-drop-the-jew-taboo/ ?

    This bloke seems to be noticing things you haven't.

    Perhaps an explanatory essay at Taki's is in order?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmtJ6-EY1E

    Steve HAS pointed out Jewish anti-Russian hysteria.

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  16. @Lot
    So what is the correct definition of white in the USA? I don't think it has ever excluded Iberians. Moroccans is kind of a case by case question though.

    So what is the correct definition of white in the USA?

    SNL knows.

    Saturday Night Live Transcripts
    Season 14: Episode 3 [1988]
    88c: John Larroquette / Randy Newman
    Vote Bush III
    [ show each President's head encircled over a North European country ]
    Announcer: Franklin Delano Roosevelt was of white northern European heritage.
    Thomas Jefferson was of white northern European heritage.
    John F. Kennedy was of white northern European heritage.
    George Herbert Walker Bush is of white northern European heritage.
    [ show Dukakis' encircled just above the Mediterranean Sea ]
    But Michael Dukakis?
    Bush. He’s whiter.
    [ SUPER: "Bush. He's Whiter." ]

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  17. When I first saw Michael Pena in “The Shooter” I was sure he was South Asian.

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  18. What about Anthony Quinn (Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca)? A credit to his race. Verdad!

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    His father was Irish. But he looked a lot like his Indian maternal grand mother.
    , @Hibernian
    He was 3/4 Hispanic and 1/4 Irish. I think his Hispanic ancestry was all Mexican. His PR flak put out a story that he was 1/2 and 1/2; that his father was an "Irish adventurer." This was not true.
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  19. @guest
    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    Can’t imagine who wrote that line, putting those nasty words in his mouth.

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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    People who live in Spain are not Hispanics or Latinos. They would be greatly offended if called either one. But they are at the top of the worldwide Spanish speakers pyramid and pecking order. Hispanics and Latinos are their inferiors. The Spaniards knows this and their misbegotten offspring in the New World know this.
    Saying that when blue eyed Jose Andreas encounters his Hispanic employees, each one knows their status in this pecking order. And (bullshitter to liberals) Jose Andreas knows he will get instant respect.
    I have seen Latinos here (USA) fawn over visitors from Spain which they call La Madre Patria.

    I’ve seen the same thing. A good friend was from Madrid and everywhere we went, they would instantly recognize his accent and ask which city he was from. When told, their eyes would glaze over as though they were in a reverie.

    Never any hint of resentment–quite the contrary. Their body language conveyed fealty, almost. I was almost jealous. We Anglos certainly don’t get that kind of respect, and this is our country. I mean, this was our country.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I learned the Spanish of Spain, first from a Spaniard in an American university and, later, Spaniards in Spain, and everyone I speak Spanish to, even those who don't really speak Spanish worth a damn, recognises the difference. It's a difference me check greater that that of, say, a Colombian and a Mexican accent. And it does indeed have ramifications for social hierarchies, in the same way that, say, received pronunciation or a refined mid-Atlantic accent does over a Cockney or a drawl....
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  21. #OscarsSoNonHispanicWhite just doesn’t have the same ring, does it?

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  22. @Clyde
    People who live in Spain are not Hispanics or Latinos. They would be greatly offended if called either one. But they are at the top of the worldwide Spanish speakers pyramid and pecking order. Hispanics and Latinos are their inferiors. The Spaniards knows this and their misbegotten offspring in the New World know this.
    Saying that when blue eyed Jose Andreas encounters his Hispanic employees, each one knows their status in this pecking order. And (bullshitter to liberals) Jose Andreas knows he will get instant respect.
    I have seen Latinos here (USA) fawn over visitors from Spain which they call La Madre Patria.

    A group of young men explained the Spanish v. Mexican concept to me quite forcefully in a gravel parking lot outside a bar in Mora, New Mexico.

    In my cups, I thoughtlessly made the mistake of referring to them as “Mexicans”. They told me they were “Spaniards” whose families had been living in New Mexico for several centuries.

    Conquistador-Americans have been living in New Mexico and preserving their conquistador identities for a long, long, long time.

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    Although I’ve only passed through New Mexico, I’ve read before you have three main groups in New Mexico besides the odd black or Asian:

    The whites, the Hispanos/Spaniards , and the Mexicans. Supposedly, the Spaniards can (or try) to trace their ancestry back to Spanish settlers in the 17th and 18th century. I read they often have a chip on their shoulder against Anglo whites, viewing them as invaders, but they also look down on the more mestizo Mexicans, considering them inferiors.

    I don’t know how true that is though.
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  23. @The Alarmist
    Considering the Netherlands used to be part of Spain, does that mean the Dutch are also now a minority?

    Don’t forget Belgium. Tbis might be the excuse they need to stop taking Muslim terrorists.

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  24. According to the Census Bureau, Spaniards are Hispanics/Latinos.

    https://www.census.gov/topics/population/hispanic-origin/about.html

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    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.

    https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1200/900/global-aaj-front/article/2016/07/579a346e5ddf2_579a2fdd41d1d_1984796747.jpeg

    http://dailybouncer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/tamil-men.png

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  25. It would have made more sense to refer to the indigenous peoples of Mexico and Central America as Indians and apply that term to mestizos as well under the one-drop rule. Merely speaking Spanish should not entitle white people to victim status.

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    I wonder what stops all whites from identifying as Hispanics on college applications. Will the college run a racial purity test?
    , @AndrewR
    There's nothing that makes sense about the "one-drop" rule. Only an idiot would think it's a useful way to look at the world.
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  26. I dated this lawyer from Spain named Rodriquez. She said about a week after she came to this big firm, she got a phone call from the “Diversity Partner,” who “asked” her if she wanted to be on the “Diversity Team.”

    “No thank you, I’m actually from Spain.”

    She was then “informed” that she was going to be on the Diversity Team.

    She actually took great offense at that.

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  27. If you remade “Stand and Deliver” with all the same dialogue but with blacks or Arabs, whoever played the teacher would win the Oscar now. In fact, Olmos probably would have won it, if the movie had come out more recently.

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  28. @Harry Baldwin
    It would have made more sense to refer to the indigenous peoples of Mexico and Central America as Indians and apply that term to mestizos as well under the one-drop rule. Merely speaking Spanish should not entitle white people to victim status.

    I wonder what stops all whites from identifying as Hispanics on college applications. Will the college run a racial purity test?

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    As I understand it, it's "language and culture" (cf Slavic or Arabic), so if you speak fluent Spanish and can cook a few dishes you can claim Hispanicity. Fluent Spanish would surely the first, main, and probably the only test, if they test at all, because false claiming would speed Flight from White.
    , @Alden
    Affirmative action goes by the name. So Whites should “ self identify” as blacks.
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  29. @guest
    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    Meh, some Irish are as swarthy as any Med. Colin Farrell is one of the more famous examples. I could see how they might not have been considered hu-white.

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  30. As for this article, does ignorance from the NYT really shock anyone anymore? The NYT is no longer staffed by bright, learned people. It’s entirely staffed by anti-white kommissars now and is very likely no more truthful than Pravda was in Soviet times.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Journalism has always attracted narcissists like school grounds attract pedophiles, but the capability for thinking in complex terms has gone down in said narcissists. Now, it's all more akin to fashion and popularity signaling. So high school.

    The Beltway crowd isn't as smart as they used to be, either, and the intellectual rot there is long-standing. Say what you will about guys like Glazer at Commentary, these guys thought deeply about things. They took thinking and suggesting policy seriously. The newer generation of neocons that came along a couple of decades later were less impressive, to say the least.
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  31. If actors from Spain get a special quota in the Oscars, what about German, French or Italian actors? Who was the last French actor to win an Oscar?

    And don’t even start on China or India, they are definitely not getting their fair share of Oscars per capita!

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  32. Steve knows movies.

    Maybe he should draw up a list of neglected masterpieces of entertainment for clueless viewers like me, who doesn’t have time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Most movies bore me to tears, especially if I view them at home, where I don’t feel I have to stay to the end. Just ten good movies would make my year!

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  33. Thanks for calling out white hispanics out in their hypocrisy. They (we) basically own a continent and a half, so we can’t come back and pretend to be one of those “huddled masses.” ’cause we’re not.

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  34. @The Alarmist
    Considering the Netherlands used to be part of Spain, does that mean the Dutch are also now a minority?

    Supposedly the modern Irish migrated from modern day Spain a couple thousand years ago so there you go – the Irish really aren’t white despite being the palest Europeans.

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    You would be thinking of the so-called Black Irish, who, incidentally, are being displaced by actual black people that the govt is trying to pass off as Irish.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Lot more than two millennia back. Hard to say when, as there was a fairly constant trickle of "European Farmer" populations moving in with the initial substrate of neolithic pioneers (possibly setting off from the Morbihan ca. 4300BC) who had spread over western Europe.
    http://www.scottishheritagehub.com/content/221-atlantic-breton-neolithic

    All fairly closely related, if not actual acknowledged kin, and very likely of the same language group (not Vasconic). The eventual Irish final neolithic basal population (I think culturally "Grooved Ware" by then, like their British cousins) was most autosomally like their contemporaries from Spain and Sardinia (you can in fact tell this by just going round and looking at their faces and hair etc.!).
    Figure 3 in this .pdf, particularly top left heatmap.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full.pdf

    Unhappily for them, some odd-looking foreigners with all sorts of strange new tech rolled right over them.
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/irelands-population-underwent-a-dramatic-change-4000-years-ago/
    Ultimately from the Eurasian Steppe, via the Rhineland and the Low Countries or further afield, like the "Amesbury Archer".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesbury_Archer

    Both islands occupied, around 2450BC or a bit later. Men and women both, who had pretty much ethnically-cleansed (not "integrated" with) the lot, in as little as a few centuries. Apart from quite a few girls, and perhaps a number of No Surrender! types in S. Scotland and Ulster (y-haplo I2a2, both a&b flavours).
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    Those people's direct descendants are still there, and constitute the overwhelming majority of the Isles population, but instances of the original "Iberian/Sardinian" farmers' looks pop up all the time due to the magic of heritability and recombination.

    They even brought their own language, the decayed remnants of which today are known as Gaelic and Welsh. And yes, they do contribute a distinct "German/Russian" look to the population; blondism, red hair, square heads and all, as well as garish woollen plaid cloth, a pugnacious disposition, and a partiality to horses and strong drink (originally swilled from their eponymous Beakers).
    Then they were subsequently dogpiled/augmented in turn by bunches of their by now Celtic-speaking kinsfolk pushing in from the Continent (even NW Iberia lol!), right up until the standard-bearer of the Xth Legion leapt onto the beach at Thanet.
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  35. While Spain is very Latin, it still has more in common culturally and genetically with Europe than does coastal Italy or most of it’s islands. They are not nearly as distinct a people as portrayed in the US media. Conflating Spaniards with Hispanics (who can be any blend as long as they have heritage from South of the US) is a purposeful obfuscation which would make the Chicano activists from the 1970′s laugh out loud.

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  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @D. K.
    Iberians become "oppressed people of color," entitled to all of the legal "remedies" for their plight, the moment that they land in America. Yes, they are white; yes, they also are Hispanic. By the irrefutable logic of our betters, however, Iberians in America are "people of color," despite their being white, just as the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, is a "person of color," despite his being white. Charlie Sheen's kids, by Denise Richards et al., are "oppressed children of color," entitled to extra points on their college-admissions applications, because their grandfather's old man emigrated from Spain, even though Marty's ma emigrated from Ireland. Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European. If that country's entire population were air-lifted to Alaska to live, they all would be immediately transmogrified into millions more "oppressed people of color," the moment that they landed in Anchorage. After all, is that any stranger than our federal government-- and our ruling class at large-- telling us that Subcontinental Caucasians are of the same "Asian" race as the Japanese? Every time that I see "actresses of color," like Rita Hayworth and Merle Oberon, in "mixed marriages," in old movies like "Gilda" or "Wuthering Heights," I am amazed how open-minded and progressive Hollywood's old studio system was, with its colorblind casting! (Of course, in "Gilda," both American characters could be considered Hispanic, once they returned home to America, after living in Argentina; in "Wuthering Heights," it was the WASP actor, Larry Olivier, who was playing a "character of color," since he was a Gypsy, while the Anglo-Indian Merle Oberon played a WASP character.)

    A woman with whom I went to high school was born in Argentina and was among the “97%”. As a very young child she emigrated to the US with her family. I don’t know how much Spanish she knew but the sense I had was that it was minimal. Notwithstanding all this her daughter, born/raised in the US, was given some kind of reduction in her college tuition by virtue of her “Hispanic” heritage.

    The late Sen. Sam Ervin, when asked why he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, replied that it would open up a can of worms. It did. And the worms are crawling all over the place.

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  37. Bardem’s maternal grandfather was a famous actor from Barcelona. The surname is Catalan. While his maternal grandmother was also an actress, from Madrid. I don’t know if his family on his paternal side surnamed Encinas were genuine Canary Islanders or just residents. Javier Bardem’s motherused to be a famous actress as well, and a very ugly one. Also, a very left-wing nutcase activist in her country.
    Penelope was raised near Madrid but her parents come from Extremadure (land of the Conquistadors Cortez and Pizarro) and Andalusia.

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    I 've been watching a t.v. show about the Borgias, and all the Italian characters keep calling Pope Alexander VI "Catalan" as if it's the n-word. But I think they're just resentful of foreign intrusion in their un-unified country.
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  38. Nixon created the Hispanic race by executive order just in time for the 1970 census. It included anyone from Spain as well as all the Spanish colonies.

    Portuguese, Brazilians and other Portuguese were specifically excluded from Hispanic affirmative action privileges.

    The whole thing was a project of the Ford Foundation through its front groups, MALDEF
    Mexican American legal defense and educational fund

    Next step was to give Hispanics affirmative action aristocrat status.

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    Thankfully we know better now. A separate category of "White Hispanic" was created in 2012 to rob any Hispanic person of special status if society doesn't feel like giving it to them.

    Bardem and Cruz are currently special people because Hispanic, but any false step and they become White Hispanics, and effectively just like regular white people. Which is of course the worst possible racial fate.

    , @BB753
    So, how do they classify Brazilians in the US census?
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  39. @Lagertha
    I'm tired on Latinos. https://vimeo.com/23330553

    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California…. would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican….mucho spicy and hot blooded….

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    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican….mucho spicy and hot blooded….

     

    You know, there's a down side to that "hot blooded" thing, especially if you're married to it.
    , @Corn
    “I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….”

    I can’t speak for every stripe of Latina (Cubans, Argentines etc.) but my observations in Arizona would be that Latinas Mexican style don’t age well. Hotter than hell around age 20 but a lot of weight gain after one or two kids.

    Exceptions to every rule though.
    , @Joe Sweet
    I applaud your willingness to reconsider having children. Here’s something to keep in mind when sizing up potential mamacitas.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html
    , @syonredux

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….
     
    Dunno. Most of the Latinx that I see in California are gordita-class, all elephantine hips and continental-scale bums. As for the faces.....ugh.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qPB2ukXJ4Yk/UeStTJS_YWI/AAAAAAAAYQ0/WzIOCmPLxJY/s1600/mexicanas+gordas+(1).jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqQe0FhGWKY/VhbvCcyRW4I/AAAAAAAAFz8/q2c6GBIWSQ8/s1600/1.jpg

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg
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  40. @Neoconned
    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California.... would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican....mucho spicy and hot blooded....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican….mucho spicy and hot blooded….

    You know, there’s a down side to that “hot blooded” thing, especially if you’re married to it.

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    Can we please add an "Amen" or "Preach It, Brother!" button?
    , @Anonymous
    That whole "wild latina" thing is only a little true. White or nearly White Mexicans and Central Americans yeah, but the garden variety mestiza......from what I hear, you're better off with a watermelon and a brace and bit sized appropriately.

    In the forties, there was Lupe Velez. She set a lot of that mythos off. A quarter century later, Mick married Bianca. (She was a nearlywhite product of a very wealthy Nicaraguan family.) Supposedly she was wild until she had Jade. After that, a dead fish.

    The white loser like Srpski Jeb marrying the scullery maid mestiza sure as hell isn't doing it for the bouncy-bouncy.
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  41. From Bardem to the UCLA prof, every single person mentioned or cited in this article is white except for the woman named Haubegger, who is mildly mestizo. That’s enough irony for me for the day.

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  42. I have a cousin married to a guy who has an Irish last name but is deemed Hispanic due to the fact his mother is Mexican by heritage (even though she was born and raised in El Paso and culturally is 100% Texan).

    My cousin discovered, when her eldest child applied for college, that her kids are now considered Hispanic too for admission purposes, even though they have an Irish last name and look “white”.

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    Is Mexican fighter Canelo (Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán) white?
    Or just a member of a persecuted minority? A soulless minority.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000317991670.jpg
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  43. @Big Bill
    A group of young men explained the Spanish v. Mexican concept to me quite forcefully in a gravel parking lot outside a bar in Mora, New Mexico.

    In my cups, I thoughtlessly made the mistake of referring to them as "Mexicans". They told me they were "Spaniards" whose families had been living in New Mexico for several centuries.

    Conquistador-Americans have been living in New Mexico and preserving their conquistador identities for a long, long, long time.

    Although I’ve only passed through New Mexico, I’ve read before you have three main groups in New Mexico besides the odd black or Asian:

    The whites, the Hispanos/Spaniards , and the Mexicans. Supposedly, the Spaniards can (or try) to trace their ancestry back to Spanish settlers in the 17th and 18th century. I read they often have a chip on their shoulder against Anglo whites, viewing them as invaders, but they also look down on the more mestizo Mexicans, considering them inferiors.

    I don’t know how true that is though.

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    What about the descendants of the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, etc.? Are they just considered part of the Mexican mix, or are they so low on the totem pole that nobody mentions them?
    , @PV van der Byl
    I have met some of the Spanish (not Mestizo) New Mexicans, and some with very long histories there. One I know well showed me a carefully preserved 1698 land grant from the Spanish king. They definitely distinguish themselves from the mestizos as well as the Anglos.
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  44. @Thea
    Supposedly the modern Irish migrated from modern day Spain a couple thousand years ago so there you go - the Irish really aren't white despite being the palest Europeans.

    You would be thinking of the so-called Black Irish, who, incidentally, are being displaced by actual black people that the govt is trying to pass off as Irish.

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  45. @jcd1974
    Universities have been pulling this sleight of hand for a long time, including faculty from Spain in their minority hires numbers.

    hey, not counting Italian/German/Jewish Argentinians as “Latinos” who represent the Zapatista-Americans on the faculty side is not who we are.

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  46. Pat Buchanan once said that demographics not only changes your future, it also changes your past. What he meant by that is your history will have to be redefined to make the future people feel attached to it. In the case of hispanics, I’ve seen this in how we now credit Spanish contributions to our Revolution as hispanic instead. Additionally old naval heroes like the Farrugut family are now referred to as hispanic.

    George Farragut was born in Spain and joined the Americans to fight the Brits. His more famous son, David of the “damn the torpedos fame”, was born in the USA to George and a Scots-Irish mother. Now both are considered hispanic.

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    That and the consistent nonwhite hatred for objective reality and free speech means Chinese levels of censorship will erase our every accomplishment. The "We Wuz Kangz, They Hid in Caves" meme isn't just a joke, there's people who totally believe that, and one day there will be no countering story. We are already seeing an aggressive and Soviet rewriting of history on non-ethnic lines in our legal philosophy. We need to purge the judiciary, reform the law schools, and make strict constructionism the skeleton of our Constitutional education.
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  47. Hilary Swank is 25% Mexican. I have no idea why she’s never included in these things, yet they often list Mercedes Ruehl, who is 25% Cuban.

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    Looks? Self-identification?

    Once you're dead you'll be co-opted into the correct minority of course.
    , @Beene
    Ruehl looks more Latino than Swank? That's highly debateable.
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  48. @Neoconned
    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California.... would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican....mucho spicy and hot blooded....

    “I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….”

    I can’t speak for every stripe of Latina (Cubans, Argentines etc.) but my observations in Arizona would be that Latinas Mexican style don’t age well. Hotter than hell around age 20 but a lot of weight gain after one or two kids.

    Exceptions to every rule though.

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    I can’t speak for every stripe of Latina (Cubans, Argentines etc.) but my observations in Arizona would be that Latinas Mexican style don’t age well. .
     
    Difference is mainly related to sun. In countries with a lot of sun, a lot of women are losing it without makeup already in their 30s. Although that happens sadly even in sunless countries, but for other reasons.
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  49. @Neoconned
    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California.... would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican....mucho spicy and hot blooded....

    I applaud your willingness to reconsider having children. Here’s something to keep in mind when sizing up potential mamacitas.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html

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  50. RE: Matters “Hispanic,”

    Oddly, just about all the Italians in The Assassination of Gianni Versace miniseries (done by the same fellows who made The People vs OJ Simpson) are played by “Hispanics”: Gianni Versace (Édgar Ramírez, Venezuela ), Donatella Versace (Penelope Cruz, Spain), and Antonio D’Amico (Ricky Martin, Puerto Rico). Maybe they thought that casting a bunch of White Hispanics would get them them the SJW seal of approval?

    At any rate, I’m sure that Donatella Versace is quite pleased with the casting….

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    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races. I don't know, because I don't know how good his fake accents are. Every time I've seen him, he's been playing Latinos. For instance, fellow Venezuelan Carlos "the Jackal" (in a miniseries where they annoyingly never actually called him "the Jackal") and Panamanian boxer Roberto Duran.

    Unlike Oscar Isaac, he probably couldn't play a Welshman. But he could play swarthy whites like Italians. Mz. Cruz can play any white she wants.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    So Donatella Versace is a dude! This is the greatest miscasting error of all time.
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  51. Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European.

    That piece of CIA research needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Look at some pictures of Argentine crowds and ask yourself if they look 97% European. Here’s a sample:

    Faces of Argentina

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    Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European.

    That piece of CIA research needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Look at some pictures of Argentine crowds and ask yourself if they look 97% European. Here’s a sample:

     

    Amerind admixture in Argentina is approx 20%

    ~1 percent of the citizens of Argentina identify as indigenous, but ~20 percent of the ancestry of Argentina’s population seems to derive from Amerindian sources!
     
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/the-anglosphere-exception/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GeneExpressionBlog+%28Gene+Expression%29#.WmZnTvmnHIU


    Mexico: average level of Amerind admixture is 50%, self-identifies as a Mestizo nation.

    Argentina: average level of Amerind admixture is roughly 20%, self-identifies as a White settler nation.
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  52. “Hispanics” seems to be more of a North American term, lumping together everyone who speaks Spanish (i.e. mostly South Americans in the United States).

    In Spain “Hispano” isn’t a common term, with the almost universal division being between “Español” (Spanish) and “Latino” (from Latin America), and there’s also a racial aspect.

    “Español” means European whereas “Latino” will often mean ethnic South American Indian, with for example a Peruvian maybe pointing out that they are Peruvian from a Spanish background (i.e. they aren’t Amerindian).

    So in Spain, Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem are “Españoles” and Benicio del Toro is a “Puertorriqueño de origen Español” – not stated but understood.

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    Etymologically, "Hispanic" derives from the Latin word for Spain. It includes people from the ancient region of Hispania, which was larger than what is now known as Spain.
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  53. Del Toro and Bardem look weird. Not like typical whites. Jose Andres looks like a typical white.

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    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

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  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Antonio Banderas seems to identify himself as Hispanic. It doesn’t seem to be just a case of the NYT identifying these types as Hispanic.

    “Platino Awards: Antonio Banderas Calls for a Latino Studio to ‘Steal Hollywood From Hollywood’”

    http://variety.com/2015/film/news/platino-awards-antonio-banderas-calls-for-a-latino-studio-to-steal-hollywood-from-hollywood-1201543162/

    Antonio Banderas put out a call Friday for the big Latino broadcast networks in the U.S. plus broadcasters in Latin America and Spain to band together and create a Hollywood-style Latino studio that could “steal Hollywood from Hollywood.”

    “Broadcasters over all of Ibero-America [Latin America, Spain and Portugal] would make an annual contribution and receive in return a quantity of content,” said Banderas, talking to journalists a day before Saturday’s second Platino Awards, where he will receive an Honorary Platino Award.

    “I haven’t discussed this with anybody, “ said of his Latino studio game-plan. But “Televisions need content. That’s quite clear. Together, broadcasters in the U.S. Spain, Argentina, Mexico, Chile, Honduras… could make 20-25 high-level movies a year which have theatrical exhibition, then TV transmission.”

    In total speakers, “We have a market which is bigger than the U.S.,” Banderas said. “We just have to reach an agreement.” Banderas comments came, indeed, as it has been broadcaster support, both finance and muscular marketing campaigns, which have proved one industry game-changer for local movie industries in Spain, Argentina and Mexico.

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  55. @AndrewR
    As for this article, does ignorance from the NYT really shock anyone anymore? The NYT is no longer staffed by bright, learned people. It's entirely staffed by anti-white kommissars now and is very likely no more truthful than Pravda was in Soviet times.

    Journalism has always attracted narcissists like school grounds attract pedophiles, but the capability for thinking in complex terms has gone down in said narcissists. Now, it’s all more akin to fashion and popularity signaling. So high school.

    The Beltway crowd isn’t as smart as they used to be, either, and the intellectual rot there is long-standing. Say what you will about guys like Glazer at Commentary, these guys thought deeply about things. They took thinking and suggesting policy seriously. The newer generation of neocons that came along a couple of decades later were less impressive, to say the least.

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  56. @BB753
    Bardem's maternal grandfather was a famous actor from Barcelona. The surname is Catalan. While his maternal grandmother was also an actress, from Madrid. I don't know if his family on his paternal side surnamed Encinas were genuine Canary Islanders or just residents. Javier Bardem's motherused to be a famous actress as well, and a very ugly one. Also, a very left-wing nutcase activist in her country.
    Penelope was raised near Madrid but her parents come from Extremadure (land of the Conquistadors Cortez and Pizarro) and Andalusia.

    I ‘ve been watching a t.v. show about the Borgias, and all the Italian characters keep calling Pope Alexander VI “Catalan” as if it’s the n-word. But I think they’re just resentful of foreign intrusion in their un-unified country.

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    When you are done with the US made version with Jeremy Irons, there is a completely separate multi-season premium cable show about the Borgias staring the Wire's Major Rawls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgia_(TV_series)

    I liked them both. The Euro version has somewhat less sex, more intrigue, and a slower pacing. Acting is a little better too, but the sets and battle scenes less lavish.
    , @BB753
    They were supposed to be from Valencia, not Catalonia.
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  57. @istevefan
    Pat Buchanan once said that demographics not only changes your future, it also changes your past. What he meant by that is your history will have to be redefined to make the future people feel attached to it. In the case of hispanics, I've seen this in how we now credit Spanish contributions to our Revolution as hispanic instead. Additionally old naval heroes like the Farrugut family are now referred to as hispanic.

    George Farragut was born in Spain and joined the Americans to fight the Brits. His more famous son, David of the "damn the torpedos fame", was born in the USA to George and a Scots-Irish mother. Now both are considered hispanic.

    That and the consistent nonwhite hatred for objective reality and free speech means Chinese levels of censorship will erase our every accomplishment. The “We Wuz Kangz, They Hid in Caves” meme isn’t just a joke, there’s people who totally believe that, and one day there will be no countering story. We are already seeing an aggressive and Soviet rewriting of history on non-ethnic lines in our legal philosophy. We need to purge the judiciary, reform the law schools, and make strict constructionism the skeleton of our Constitutional education.

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    Already happening. Besides "Black Vikings" and other absurdities, the BBC (who else?) is busily shoving this crap out as educational content for young schoolchildren.
    https://i.redditmedia.com/05xRhiGEmjW15RE-KK18py6-X5qqbEo8wYXrFWLCHdw.jpg?w=800&s=972da57df6248d00b31a0f91c60bf015

    I can't find the absolutely priceless shot from this series of a Negro berserker charging with his fellow woad-bedecked Britons against the Roman invaders.
    According to Dr Who, Britain already had a vast urban black population in the 18th century.

    This is serious. Lying about History. To children.
    Even Stalin would have blushed at the crudity and desperation of the British Establishment's desire to blackwash their subjects, if not outright dispose of the aborigines in favour of a more objectively and ineradicably identifiable serf-class looking utterly unlike themselves.
    This goes far beyond the historical definition of "treachery".

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  58. @Alden
    Nixon created the Hispanic race by executive order just in time for the 1970 census. It included anyone from Spain as well as all the Spanish colonies.

    Portuguese, Brazilians and other Portuguese were specifically excluded from Hispanic affirmative action privileges.

    The whole thing was a project of the Ford Foundation through its front groups, MALDEF
    Mexican American legal defense and educational fund

    Next step was to give Hispanics affirmative action aristocrat status.

    Thankfully we know better now. A separate category of “White Hispanic” was created in 2012 to rob any Hispanic person of special status if society doesn’t feel like giving it to them.

    Bardem and Cruz are currently special people because Hispanic, but any false step and they become White Hispanics, and effectively just like regular white people. Which is of course the worst possible racial fate.

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  59. @rogue-one
    I wonder what stops all whites from identifying as Hispanics on college applications. Will the college run a racial purity test?

    As I understand it, it’s “language and culture” (cf Slavic or Arabic), so if you speak fluent Spanish and can cook a few dishes you can claim Hispanicity. Fluent Spanish would surely the first, main, and probably the only test, if they test at all, because false claiming would speed Flight from White.

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    The word for Spanish-speakimg is Hispanophone, and the Spanish-speaking world is the Hispanosphere. That is distinct from Hispanicity, which is obviously a category of blood. They say "culture" merely because they don't want to be pinned down racially.

    You must have Iberian or mixed Iberian-Amerind blood to be Hispanic, truly. You can trick people by speaking Spanish and claiming to have been raised in a Hispanic culture, but if you're actually German or something, the designation is not for you.

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  60. @syonredux
    RE: Matters "Hispanic,"

    Oddly, just about all the Italians in The Assassination of Gianni Versace miniseries (done by the same fellows who made The People vs OJ Simpson) are played by "Hispanics": Gianni Versace (Édgar Ramírez, Venezuela ), Donatella Versace (Penelope Cruz, Spain), and Antonio D'Amico (Ricky Martin, Puerto Rico). Maybe they thought that casting a bunch of White Hispanics would get them them the SJW seal of approval?

    At any rate, I'm sure that Donatella Versace is quite pleased with the casting....


    https://beautyeditor.ca/.image/t_share/MTIzNjEzMTg5OTg4MTg5NzEw/penelope-cruz-the-counselor-london-premiere-2013.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Donatella_Versace_Time_Shankbone_2010.jpg

    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races. I don’t know, because I don’t know how good his fake accents are. Every time I’ve seen him, he’s been playing Latinos. For instance, fellow Venezuelan Carlos “the Jackal” (in a miniseries where they annoyingly never actually called him “the Jackal”) and Panamanian boxer Roberto Duran.

    Unlike Oscar Isaac, he probably couldn’t play a Welshman. But he could play swarthy whites like Italians. Mz. Cruz can play any white she wants.

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    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races.

     

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2016/11/edgar_ramirez.jpg
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  61. @Alden
    Nixon created the Hispanic race by executive order just in time for the 1970 census. It included anyone from Spain as well as all the Spanish colonies.

    Portuguese, Brazilians and other Portuguese were specifically excluded from Hispanic affirmative action privileges.

    The whole thing was a project of the Ford Foundation through its front groups, MALDEF
    Mexican American legal defense and educational fund

    Next step was to give Hispanics affirmative action aristocrat status.

    So, how do they classify Brazilians in the US census?

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    "Hispanic" wasn't created with areas related to Portugal in mind. But I don't see how they exclude it, given the way the term is defined.

    Apart from European influence, there are approximately one kabillion other outside groups intermingling in Brazil. It's got that melting pot aroma we're all legally required to find savory. Census categorization is rather up in the air, I'd tend to think, for many Brazilians.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European--chiefly Portuguese--black African, and Amer-Indian. Whites and Mestizos may claim Hispanic status. Pure Indians shouldn't be able to, but I don't know if anyone stops them. Anyone with a drop of African blood could conceivably claim black status. There are a whole bunch of Asians in Brazil, too. Various admixtures could claim Asian as well as white, black, or Hispanic status, I think.

    , @Alden
    White or black I suppose
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  62. @Anonymous
    Del Toro and Bardem look weird. Not like typical whites. Jose Andres looks like a typical white.

    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

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    "Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator."

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/e3/90/e5e3909d00a58c1fc86ba35c194e0c81.jpg

    , @Lurker
    Penelope Cruz looks way, waay more than fine.
    , @J.Ross
    >Penelope Cruz looks fine
    I never got this. Spanish women are amazing, especially modern Celts; plenty of mestizos are amazing. Penelope Cruz doesn't look like any of those types, she looks like a fashion model, and her face has always struck me as an acquired taste.
    , @George Taylor
    Penelope Cruz is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Because I think that, do I have turn in my Alt-Right card and take down my Pepe the Frog poster?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed.
     
    Looks-wise, that seems unfair to del Toro. :)

    Lou Reed looks like a humanoid muppet, or one of the apes who menaced Charlton Heston back in the day. Facially, the actor Reed most resembles is Joe Turkel, aka Tyrell from the first Blade Runner. Del Toro looks more like an exotic Brad Pitt.
    , @bored identity
    Meanwhile, Outer Space Redlining and Space Flight from White are perfect reminders of Weimerica's Last Current Century ;


    One righteous brotha got himself blackity-black-blangry because NASA , in rare move, bumped off his CIA-certified big sista from Putin's Milenium Falcon ...only to make history and space for George Zimmerman's Dreamingly Caucasian Hermanaut :





    " My sister Dr. Jeannette Epps has been fighting against oppressive racism and misogynist in NASA and now they are holding her back and allowing a Caucasian Astronaut to take her place!

    My sister deserve a chance just life [sic] her white peers!

    This administration policies and culture is reprehensible against their stance against women and minorities in this nation.

    We have lost all of the gains we gained over the past 40 years in one year?

    No more!


    'We cannot continue to tolerate what is going on in America but we must stand together and stand behind our people and out [sic] nation!'


    ( Henry Epps on Facebook. )

     

    Dark Matter:


    https://youtu.be/tLt6UwK66O4


    White Dwarf:


    https://youtu.be/7KCM089-Lv8
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  63. @Miro23
    "Hispanics" seems to be more of a North American term, lumping together everyone who speaks Spanish (i.e. mostly South Americans in the United States).

    In Spain "Hispano" isn't a common term, with the almost universal division being between "Español" (Spanish) and "Latino" (from Latin America), and there's also a racial aspect.

    "Español" means European whereas "Latino" will often mean ethnic South American Indian, with for example a Peruvian maybe pointing out that they are Peruvian from a Spanish background (i.e. they aren't Amerindian).

    So in Spain, Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem are "Españoles" and Benicio del Toro is a "Puertorriqueño de origen Español" - not stated but understood.

    Etymologically, “Hispanic” derives from the Latin word for Spain. It includes people from the ancient region of Hispania, which was larger than what is now known as Spain.

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    Etymologically, “Hispanic” derives from the Latin word for Spain. It includes people from the ancient region of Hispania, which was larger than what is now known as Spain.
     
    I was thinking about this. If Ancient Romans were talking about the three provinces of the Empire that comprised Hispania (España), they would be speaking about them in Latin, and the interlocutors would be Latinos, as opposed to non-Latin speaking barbarians.

    Ancient Romans were not aware that America existed (North or South), or that some Amerindian cities were already on their way to being among the most populous in the world.

    The present day US takes "Latino" to mean Spanish speaking people, who are, in practice mostly Amerindian immigrants who adopted the Spanish language from their Spanish conquerors (conquerors who would, in their day, have been Españoles rather than Hispañoles, and who had earlier, themselves, adopted Latin - now morphed into Spanish - from their own Roman conquerors).

    On this view "Hispano" is another re-birth in the United States, of Ancient Roman terminology, to add to the existing Roman term "Latino", with both in practice meaning South and Central American Indians.

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  64. @J.Ross
    As I understand it, it's "language and culture" (cf Slavic or Arabic), so if you speak fluent Spanish and can cook a few dishes you can claim Hispanicity. Fluent Spanish would surely the first, main, and probably the only test, if they test at all, because false claiming would speed Flight from White.

    The word for Spanish-speakimg is Hispanophone, and the Spanish-speaking world is the Hispanosphere. That is distinct from Hispanicity, which is obviously a category of blood. They say “culture” merely because they don’t want to be pinned down racially.

    You must have Iberian or mixed Iberian-Amerind blood to be Hispanic, truly. You can trick people by speaking Spanish and claiming to have been raised in a Hispanic culture, but if you’re actually German or something, the designation is not for you.

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    I think you're wrong because the rulers of South American countries routinely delight in very German names but are talked about in our media unironically as Hispanics. South America had the second biggest influx of efficient, logical, orderly pretzel bakers after us, and when a racial Teuton is born in Argentina to Teutonic parents, who were themselves born in Argentina to Teutonic parents, you can't really call him a Schwab.
    >to not get pinned down on the race thing
    Far from a dodge I have seen this explicitly explained this way: Hispanic is not a race, it's language and culture, and therefore you could theoretically join. It's not the only one categorized like that. The activist move would of course be to call their bluff, and if their response is to positively make it racial (as it is not now) that would be a success.
    , @AndrewR
    Good god you are ignorant. Argentina has millions of people of German descent and Brazil (not "Hispanic" but few Americans would make this distinction) has even more.
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  65. @BB753
    So, how do they classify Brazilians in the US census?

    “Hispanic” wasn’t created with areas related to Portugal in mind. But I don’t see how they exclude it, given the way the term is defined.

    Apart from European influence, there are approximately one kabillion other outside groups intermingling in Brazil. It’s got that melting pot aroma we’re all legally required to find savory. Census categorization is rather up in the air, I’d tend to think, for many Brazilians.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European–chiefly Portuguese–black African, and Amer-Indian. Whites and Mestizos may claim Hispanic status. Pure Indians shouldn’t be able to, but I don’t know if anyone stops them. Anyone with a drop of African blood could conceivably claim black status. There are a whole bunch of Asians in Brazil, too. Various admixtures could claim Asian as well as white, black, or Hispanic status, I think.

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    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European–chiefly Portuguese
     
    A fair number of Brazilians are of Italian and German descent:

    German Brazilians (German: Deutschbrasilianer, Riograndenser Hunsrückisch: Deitschbrasiliooner, Portuguese: teuto-brasileiros) refers to Brazilian people of ethnic German ancestry or origin. German Brazilians live mostly in the country's South Region,[5] with lesser but still significant degree in the Southeast Region. German dialects together make up the second most spoken first language in Brazil after Portuguese.[6] A few Brazilian municipalities have Brazilian Hunsrückisch and Germanic East Pomeranian as co-official with Portuguese. They are located in Southern Brazil and Espírito Santo. In the year 2000 Brazilian census 12 million people in Brazil claimed to be of German descent.[1][2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians

    Italian Brazilians (Italian: Italobrasiliani, Portuguese: Ítalo-brasileiros) are Brazilian citizens of full or partial Italian descent.[4]

    There are no official numbers about how many Brazilians have Italian ancestry, as the national census conducted by IBGE does not ask the ancestry of the Brazilian people. In the last census to ask about ancestry, from 1940, 1,260,931 Brazilians said to be the child of an Italian father, while 1,069,862 said to be the child of an Italian mother. Italians were 285,000 and naturalized Brazilians, 40,000. Therefore, Italians and their children were just over 3.8% of Brazil's population in 1940.[5]

    A 1999 survey, conducted by the sociologist, former president of the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE), Simon Schwartzman, indicated that 10.5% of Brazilian respondents claimed to have Italian ancestry; hence they would make up around 20 million descendants in a national population of 200 million.[6] An Italian source, from 1996, cites the number of 22,753,000 descendants.[7] The Embassy of Italy in Brazil, in 2013, reported the number of 31 million descendants of Italian immigrants in Brazil (about 15% of the population), half of them in the state of São Paulo.[2]
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Brazilians
    , @J.Ross
    I have come across Portugese identifying as "Lusic" or "Lusitanic" (from the Roman provinces; the Lusitania's sister ship was the Hispania).
    , @AndrewR
    There are few "Asians" in Brazil. There are many people of "Asian" descent, and virtually all of them are of Japanese descent. The Japanese don't really view them as Japanese, however, even if the greater Brazilian population does. It's not unlike how many Irish people object to the idea that an American whose parents and grandparents were born in the US would call himself Irish.
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  66. @Neoconned
    The recent Latino craze started in the late 90s w Ricky Martin. The problem now like I liked to point out over at the imdb forums when they still existed was you could give an Oscar to an English actor but if you had a Latino American film say from Puerto Rico or California.... would it be under best foreign language film?

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children....

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican....mucho spicy and hot blooded....

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….

    Dunno. Most of the Latinx that I see in California are gordita-class, all elephantine hips and continental-scale bums. As for the faces…..ugh.

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    As the saying goes there's a difference between chubby and curvy and chubby and washed out.

    I don't mind a little cushion for the pushing on my women and I like big asses if they're curvy. Latinas in Texas at least also tend to have big hoo-ha's....

    Not that I mind....they're hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens.....and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me....they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom....
    , @Autochthon
    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz – not the hideous mestizoids you are citing with these photographs.
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  67. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    “Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.”

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  68. @CJ
    Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European.

    That piece of CIA research needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Look at some pictures of Argentine crowds and ask yourself if they look 97% European. Here's a sample:

    Faces of Argentina

    Last time I looked, the CIA reported that the population of Argentina was 97% white-European.

    That piece of CIA research needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Look at some pictures of Argentine crowds and ask yourself if they look 97% European. Here’s a sample:

    Amerind admixture in Argentina is approx 20%

    ~1 percent of the citizens of Argentina identify as indigenous, but ~20 percent of the ancestry of Argentina’s population seems to derive from Amerindian sources!

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/the-anglosphere-exception/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GeneExpressionBlog+%28Gene+Expression%29#.WmZnTvmnHIU

    Mexico: average level of Amerind admixture is 50%, self-identifies as a Mestizo nation.

    Argentina: average level of Amerind admixture is roughly 20%, self-identifies as a White settler nation.

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  69. @Beene
    Hilary Swank is 25% Mexican. I have no idea why she's never included in these things, yet they often list Mercedes Ruehl, who is 25% Cuban.

    Looks? Self-identification?

    Once you’re dead you’ll be co-opted into the correct minority of course.

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  70. @guest
    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races. I don't know, because I don't know how good his fake accents are. Every time I've seen him, he's been playing Latinos. For instance, fellow Venezuelan Carlos "the Jackal" (in a miniseries where they annoyingly never actually called him "the Jackal") and Panamanian boxer Roberto Duran.

    Unlike Oscar Isaac, he probably couldn't play a Welshman. But he could play swarthy whites like Italians. Mz. Cruz can play any white she wants.

    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races.

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    He looks weirdly Austrian
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  71. @guest
    "Hispanic" wasn't created with areas related to Portugal in mind. But I don't see how they exclude it, given the way the term is defined.

    Apart from European influence, there are approximately one kabillion other outside groups intermingling in Brazil. It's got that melting pot aroma we're all legally required to find savory. Census categorization is rather up in the air, I'd tend to think, for many Brazilians.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European--chiefly Portuguese--black African, and Amer-Indian. Whites and Mestizos may claim Hispanic status. Pure Indians shouldn't be able to, but I don't know if anyone stops them. Anyone with a drop of African blood could conceivably claim black status. There are a whole bunch of Asians in Brazil, too. Various admixtures could claim Asian as well as white, black, or Hispanic status, I think.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European–chiefly Portuguese

    A fair number of Brazilians are of Italian and German descent:

    German Brazilians (German: Deutschbrasilianer, Riograndenser Hunsrückisch: Deitschbrasiliooner, Portuguese: teuto-brasileiros) refers to Brazilian people of ethnic German ancestry or origin. German Brazilians live mostly in the country’s South Region,[5] with lesser but still significant degree in the Southeast Region. German dialects together make up the second most spoken first language in Brazil after Portuguese.[6] A few Brazilian municipalities have Brazilian Hunsrückisch and Germanic East Pomeranian as co-official with Portuguese. They are located in Southern Brazil and Espírito Santo. In the year 2000 Brazilian census 12 million people in Brazil claimed to be of German descent.[1][2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians

    Italian Brazilians (Italian: Italobrasiliani, Portuguese: Ítalo-brasileiros) are Brazilian citizens of full or partial Italian descent.[4]

    There are no official numbers about how many Brazilians have Italian ancestry, as the national census conducted by IBGE does not ask the ancestry of the Brazilian people. In the last census to ask about ancestry, from 1940, 1,260,931 Brazilians said to be the child of an Italian father, while 1,069,862 said to be the child of an Italian mother. Italians were 285,000 and naturalized Brazilians, 40,000. Therefore, Italians and their children were just over 3.8% of Brazil’s population in 1940.[5]

    A 1999 survey, conducted by the sociologist, former president of the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE), Simon Schwartzman, indicated that 10.5% of Brazilian respondents claimed to have Italian ancestry; hence they would make up around 20 million descendants in a national population of 200 million.[6] An Italian source, from 1996, cites the number of 22,753,000 descendants.[7] The Embassy of Italy in Brazil, in 2013, reported the number of 31 million descendants of Italian immigrants in Brazil (about 15% of the population), half of them in the state of São Paulo.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Brazilians

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  72. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    Penelope Cruz looks way, waay more than fine.

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  73. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    >Penelope Cruz looks fine
    I never got this. Spanish women are amazing, especially modern Celts; plenty of mestizos are amazing. Penelope Cruz doesn’t look like any of those types, she looks like a fashion model, and her face has always struck me as an acquired taste.

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    Her face is very feminine, big soft eyes and lips, except for her jaw line.
    , @Anon87
    She always looks like a duck to me.
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  74. @guest
    "Hispanic" wasn't created with areas related to Portugal in mind. But I don't see how they exclude it, given the way the term is defined.

    Apart from European influence, there are approximately one kabillion other outside groups intermingling in Brazil. It's got that melting pot aroma we're all legally required to find savory. Census categorization is rather up in the air, I'd tend to think, for many Brazilians.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European--chiefly Portuguese--black African, and Amer-Indian. Whites and Mestizos may claim Hispanic status. Pure Indians shouldn't be able to, but I don't know if anyone stops them. Anyone with a drop of African blood could conceivably claim black status. There are a whole bunch of Asians in Brazil, too. Various admixtures could claim Asian as well as white, black, or Hispanic status, I think.

    I have come across Portugese identifying as “Lusic” or “Lusitanic” (from the Roman provinces; the Lusitania‘s sister ship was the Hispania).

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    >Lusitania's sister ship
    *Was the Mauretania (which was the next nearest Roman province) and not the one I said.
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  75. @guest
    The word for Spanish-speakimg is Hispanophone, and the Spanish-speaking world is the Hispanosphere. That is distinct from Hispanicity, which is obviously a category of blood. They say "culture" merely because they don't want to be pinned down racially.

    You must have Iberian or mixed Iberian-Amerind blood to be Hispanic, truly. You can trick people by speaking Spanish and claiming to have been raised in a Hispanic culture, but if you're actually German or something, the designation is not for you.

    I think you’re wrong because the rulers of South American countries routinely delight in very German names but are talked about in our media unironically as Hispanics. South America had the second biggest influx of efficient, logical, orderly pretzel bakers after us, and when a racial Teuton is born in Argentina to Teutonic parents, who were themselves born in Argentina to Teutonic parents, you can’t really call him a Schwab.
    >to not get pinned down on the race thing
    Far from a dodge I have seen this explicitly explained this way: Hispanic is not a race, it’s language and culture, and therefore you could theoretically join. It’s not the only one categorized like that. The activist move would of course be to call their bluff, and if their response is to positively make it racial (as it is not now) that would be a success.

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  76. @guest
    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    Or they’re at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians.

    This logic sounds ridiculous. Most “ethnic Italians” are universally considered white, even if there is some non-white admixture in some people considered ethnic Italians. Even Sicilian Americans like Antonin Scalia would be universally considered white.

    Then, of course, there are tons of extremely black Africans now living in Italy as well as the rest of Western + Northern Europe but they aren’t considered ethnically European.

    I think 23andme has a reasonably good and objective categorization of human ethnicity that breaks individuals down to percentages.

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    "This logic sounds ridiculous"

    It's called humor.
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  77. @Massimo Heitor

    Or they’re at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians.
     
    This logic sounds ridiculous. Most "ethnic Italians" are universally considered white, even if there is some non-white admixture in some people considered ethnic Italians. Even Sicilian Americans like Antonin Scalia would be universally considered white.

    Then, of course, there are tons of extremely black Africans now living in Italy as well as the rest of Western + Northern Europe but they aren't considered ethnically European.

    I think 23andme has a reasonably good and objective categorization of human ethnicity that breaks individuals down to percentages.

    “This logic sounds ridiculous”

    It’s called humor.

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  78. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, any thoughts on this: http://www.unz.com/article/its-time-to-drop-the-jew-taboo/ ?

    This bloke seems to be noticing things you haven't.

    Perhaps an explanatory essay at Taki's is in order?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmtJ6-EY1E

    There is much to learn from this scholarly essay. Had no idea John Oliver and Jeff Bezos were Jews!

    Having the exact same Holocaust denial and 9-11 truther copypastas posted to the end of every single Unz reprint is also handy and convenient.

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  79. So now apparently ANY Hispanic-cultural background person is automatically “colorized” into brown state of predictable stereotype because WHO said so???

    Wow…only in the US is stupidity, cultural ignorance and boorishness celebrated as “multi-culturalism”, “diversity” and get this…”inclusiveness”…OMG!!!

    What an embarrassment to intelligent discourse…

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  80. @J.Ross
    >Penelope Cruz looks fine
    I never got this. Spanish women are amazing, especially modern Celts; plenty of mestizos are amazing. Penelope Cruz doesn't look like any of those types, she looks like a fashion model, and her face has always struck me as an acquired taste.

    Her face is very feminine, big soft eyes and lips, except for her jaw line.

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  81. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    Penelope Cruz is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Because I think that, do I have turn in my Alt-Right card and take down my Pepe the Frog poster?

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    George, the top 60 percent of weight-height appropriate young women in their 20s (excluding a few ethnic groups where ugliness in women has been selected for - to name one, those women in the Amazon that cut their hair the same way Moe the Stooge cuts his hair) can be called, under the right lighting, at the right moment, each and every one, without unstated reservations, the most beautiful woman in the world.

    I am not a lecher or a playboy, God forbid, just somebody who understands the world. 60 percent of healthy 25 year old women, as long as they have not done things which makes their faces seem unkind, are prettier than the almost middle aged Penelope Cruz.

    Not that I don't think that any man - without exception - who has a wife as pretty as Penelope Cruz (assuming a Penelope Cruz who spends her days without that nagging liberal scold look around the eyes and the corners of the mouth - word) should consider himself lucky.

    As for Pepe the Frog - that is a joke: take him off your wall. The amazing frogs of the world deserve better than to be the passing symbols of some movement or other. If you like our reptile and amphibian friends that much, there are many beautiful High Renaissance paintings of wise and humble mythological cold-blooded creatures that would look better on your wall. Titian and Raphael both painted many such paintings: even better than a reproduction, find some happy young art student to paint or draw a frameable version for you.

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  82. @jcd1974
    Universities have been pulling this sleight of hand for a long time, including faculty from Spain in their minority hires numbers.

    Having worked in the American academy for a couple of decades I am all too familiar with the reality of your comment.

    The biggest joke of this kind I encountered at an Ivy League school was a WHITE Puerto Rican woman with red-hair, blue eyes and skin so PINK she glowed posing as a “woman of color”.

    No one every confronted her fraudulence (she would squeal “racism” faster than Pavlov’s dogs would salivate) until one day while I was waiting for a friend at the airport, I crossed paths with her as she was getting off a plane with her WHITER THAN WHITE parents and 2 of her siblings (who she would refer to regularly as “they just look white”).

    Never being one to pass up on an LONG overdue healthy slap across the face of a fraud, I approached the 5 of them and said to her…”oh my god I can’t believe how white your parents are…I thought you said they were colored?’

    She looked at me as if she had just felt a whale harpoon impale her a-hole…and her parents just looked at her as if to say WTF “Connie-Sue”.

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  83. @guest
    I 've been watching a t.v. show about the Borgias, and all the Italian characters keep calling Pope Alexander VI "Catalan" as if it's the n-word. But I think they're just resentful of foreign intrusion in their un-unified country.

    When you are done with the US made version with Jeremy Irons, there is a completely separate multi-season premium cable show about the Borgias staring the Wire’s Major Rawls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgia_(TV_series)

    I liked them both. The Euro version has somewhat less sex, more intrigue, and a slower pacing. Acting is a little better too, but the sets and battle scenes less lavish.

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    I am watching the Euro version, which incidentally was created by an American: Tom Fontana, of Homicide: Life on the Street and Oz fame.

    I think Major Rawls was miscast. Irons is certainly a better actor, but I barely dabbled in the Showtime version. It was too soap-opera-y.
    , @Alden
    The Borgias used to be on Netflix Goegeous costumes and sets.

    Henry 7 proposed a marriage between Lucreticia and his son Henry 8 when they were children.

    Pope Borgia turned it down in the grounds that Henry 7’s throne was too unstable as there were too many rebellious aristocrats scheming to over throw the Tudors.

    The thing I liked best about The Borgias was that there was absolutely no PC feminist, homosexual or other liberal propaganda awkwardly inserted
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  84. @J.Ross
    I have come across Portugese identifying as "Lusic" or "Lusitanic" (from the Roman provinces; the Lusitania's sister ship was the Hispania).

    >Lusitania’s sister ship
    *Was the Mauretania (which was the next nearest Roman province) and not the one I said.

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  85. @Beene
    Hilary Swank is 25% Mexican. I have no idea why she's never included in these things, yet they often list Mercedes Ruehl, who is 25% Cuban.

    Ruehl looks more Latino than Swank? That’s highly debateable.

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  86. @guest
    I 've been watching a t.v. show about the Borgias, and all the Italian characters keep calling Pope Alexander VI "Catalan" as if it's the n-word. But I think they're just resentful of foreign intrusion in their un-unified country.

    They were supposed to be from Valencia, not Catalonia.

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  87. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed.

    Looks-wise, that seems unfair to del Toro. :)

    Lou Reed looks like a humanoid muppet, or one of the apes who menaced Charlton Heston back in the day. Facially, the actor Reed most resembles is Joe Turkel, aka Tyrell from the first Blade Runner. Del Toro looks more like an exotic Brad Pitt.

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  88. The Hispanic/Latino “race” or “ethnicity” category helps those people avoid acknowledging the stigma of their racially mixed ancestry.

    Latinos: The Indian Escape Hatch
    By William Javier Nelson

    http://racetraitor.org/nelson.html

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  89. @syonredux
    RE: Matters "Hispanic,"

    Oddly, just about all the Italians in The Assassination of Gianni Versace miniseries (done by the same fellows who made The People vs OJ Simpson) are played by "Hispanics": Gianni Versace (Édgar Ramírez, Venezuela ), Donatella Versace (Penelope Cruz, Spain), and Antonio D'Amico (Ricky Martin, Puerto Rico). Maybe they thought that casting a bunch of White Hispanics would get them them the SJW seal of approval?

    At any rate, I'm sure that Donatella Versace is quite pleased with the casting....


    https://beautyeditor.ca/.image/t_share/MTIzNjEzMTg5OTg4MTg5NzEw/penelope-cruz-the-counselor-london-premiere-2013.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Donatella_Versace_Time_Shankbone_2010.jpg

    So Donatella Versace is a dude! This is the greatest miscasting error of all time.

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  90. Michael Pena went to Marist High School in Chicago, a fairly high end Catholic prep school.

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  91. @Corn
    Although I’ve only passed through New Mexico, I’ve read before you have three main groups in New Mexico besides the odd black or Asian:

    The whites, the Hispanos/Spaniards , and the Mexicans. Supposedly, the Spaniards can (or try) to trace their ancestry back to Spanish settlers in the 17th and 18th century. I read they often have a chip on their shoulder against Anglo whites, viewing them as invaders, but they also look down on the more mestizo Mexicans, considering them inferiors.

    I don’t know how true that is though.

    What about the descendants of the Navaho, Apache, Comanche, etc.? Are they just considered part of the Mexican mix, or are they so low on the totem pole that nobody mentions them?

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  92. @George Taylor
    Penelope Cruz is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Because I think that, do I have turn in my Alt-Right card and take down my Pepe the Frog poster?

    George, the top 60 percent of weight-height appropriate young women in their 20s (excluding a few ethnic groups where ugliness in women has been selected for – to name one, those women in the Amazon that cut their hair the same way Moe the Stooge cuts his hair) can be called, under the right lighting, at the right moment, each and every one, without unstated reservations, the most beautiful woman in the world.

    I am not a lecher or a playboy, God forbid, just somebody who understands the world. 60 percent of healthy 25 year old women, as long as they have not done things which makes their faces seem unkind, are prettier than the almost middle aged Penelope Cruz.

    Not that I don’t think that any man – without exception – who has a wife as pretty as Penelope Cruz (assuming a Penelope Cruz who spends her days without that nagging liberal scold look around the eyes and the corners of the mouth – word) should consider himself lucky.

    As for Pepe the Frog – that is a joke: take him off your wall. The amazing frogs of the world deserve better than to be the passing symbols of some movement or other. If you like our reptile and amphibian friends that much, there are many beautiful High Renaissance paintings of wise and humble mythological cold-blooded creatures that would look better on your wall. Titian and Raphael both painted many such paintings: even better than a reproduction, find some happy young art student to paint or draw a frameable version for you.

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    >Kek the Unleashable, the Creative Chaos, the Chorus of Hades, the Plague of the Arrogant, the Death of Saturn, and the Wealthy Conqueror of the Slippery Well
    >a pasing fad
    Yeah, passing for thousands of years at this point.

    Frog imagery intensifies
     
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  93. @Keypusher
    According to the Census Bureau, Spaniards are Hispanics/Latinos.

    https://www.census.gov/topics/population/hispanic-origin/about.html

    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.

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    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.
     
    Tossing South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, etc) into the same category with East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc) has got to be one of the most idiotic things that I have ever seen. It's so stupid, so absurdly moronic, that it actually makes the Hispanic/Latinx category (which encompasses everyone from Alberto Fujimori to Cameron Diaz) look reasonable.
    , @üeljang
    For a comparison of that sort to mean anything at all, it must be made between comparable photos.

    Female soccer team representing India
    https://statics.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/india-womens-football-team-1425884503.jpg

    Female soccer team representing Japan
    http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JF447_jnades_G_20150702214624.jpg

    Female table tennis players representing India
    http://s3.india.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tt.jpg

    Female table tennis players representing Japan (although the most famous one of them, who recently has become a mother, looks stereotypically Chinese rather than Japanese)
    http://iishigoto.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_b63/iishigoto/image/2008-02-28T22:54:58-5c9c5.JPG

    Female archers representing India
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Women_Archery_team.jpg

    Female archers representing Japan
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/51/be/a351beea265b204b4d315f5fa63f6e04.jpg

    Of course, the addition of a comparable outgroup would also be necessary in order to gauge any potential degree of phenotypical similarity or dissimilarity between the Indian and the Japanese group photos.
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  94. @guest
    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    In my experience, Spanish people are generally (as a total population, not individuals which can be all types) really darker. Have you ever travelled in Europe? If you go stay in Spain, despite efforts to blend in and not speak, they’ll generally spot you are some pale shaded, albino tourist from Northern Europe the moment you walk into any bar or restaurant.

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  95. @PiltdownMan
    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.

    https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1200/900/global-aaj-front/article/2016/07/579a346e5ddf2_579a2fdd41d1d_1984796747.jpeg

    http://dailybouncer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/tamil-men.png

    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.

    Tossing South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, etc) into the same category with East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc) has got to be one of the most idiotic things that I have ever seen. It’s so stupid, so absurdly moronic, that it actually makes the Hispanic/Latinx category (which encompasses everyone from Alberto Fujimori to Cameron Diaz) look reasonable.

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    There should be Four Asias: going East to West these would be Yazhou (North-East Asia and Oceania), Kaaljayi (South Asia), Turania (the Turkic band, from Marmara through Mongolia), and Greater Israel.
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  96. @Corn
    “I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….”

    I can’t speak for every stripe of Latina (Cubans, Argentines etc.) but my observations in Arizona would be that Latinas Mexican style don’t age well. Hotter than hell around age 20 but a lot of weight gain after one or two kids.

    Exceptions to every rule though.

    I can’t speak for every stripe of Latina (Cubans, Argentines etc.) but my observations in Arizona would be that Latinas Mexican style don’t age well. .

    Difference is mainly related to sun. In countries with a lot of sun, a lot of women are losing it without makeup already in their 30s. Although that happens sadly even in sunless countries, but for other reasons.

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  97. @syonredux

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….
     
    Dunno. Most of the Latinx that I see in California are gordita-class, all elephantine hips and continental-scale bums. As for the faces.....ugh.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qPB2ukXJ4Yk/UeStTJS_YWI/AAAAAAAAYQ0/WzIOCmPLxJY/s1600/mexicanas+gordas+(1).jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqQe0FhGWKY/VhbvCcyRW4I/AAAAAAAAFz8/q2c6GBIWSQ8/s1600/1.jpg

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg

    As the saying goes there’s a difference between chubby and curvy and chubby and washed out.

    I don’t mind a little cushion for the pushing on my women and I like big asses if they’re curvy. Latinas in Texas at least also tend to have big hoo-ha’s….

    Not that I mind….they’re hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens…..and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me….they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom….

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    Not that I mind….they’re hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens…..and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me….they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom….

     

    Another devotee of the Fred Reed school, eh? Chacun à son goût, as my grandfather used to say. I'll stick to White Anglo women.

    http://99celebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Alexandra-Daddario.jpg
    , @guest
    I've never heard that saying before.

    How about simply: there's a difference between fat and curvy.

    Whereas fatty deposits on women are attractive, if placed and proportioned correctly, there's no necessary correlation between being chubbier and being curvier. Often they have nothing to do with one another.
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  98. @syonredux

    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.
     
    Tossing South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, etc) into the same category with East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc) has got to be one of the most idiotic things that I have ever seen. It's so stupid, so absurdly moronic, that it actually makes the Hispanic/Latinx category (which encompasses everyone from Alberto Fujimori to Cameron Diaz) look reasonable.

    There should be Four Asias: going East to West these would be Yazhou (North-East Asia and Oceania), Kaaljayi (South Asia), Turania (the Turkic band, from Marmara through Mongolia), and Greater Israel.

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  99. @middle aged vet . . .
    George, the top 60 percent of weight-height appropriate young women in their 20s (excluding a few ethnic groups where ugliness in women has been selected for - to name one, those women in the Amazon that cut their hair the same way Moe the Stooge cuts his hair) can be called, under the right lighting, at the right moment, each and every one, without unstated reservations, the most beautiful woman in the world.

    I am not a lecher or a playboy, God forbid, just somebody who understands the world. 60 percent of healthy 25 year old women, as long as they have not done things which makes their faces seem unkind, are prettier than the almost middle aged Penelope Cruz.

    Not that I don't think that any man - without exception - who has a wife as pretty as Penelope Cruz (assuming a Penelope Cruz who spends her days without that nagging liberal scold look around the eyes and the corners of the mouth - word) should consider himself lucky.

    As for Pepe the Frog - that is a joke: take him off your wall. The amazing frogs of the world deserve better than to be the passing symbols of some movement or other. If you like our reptile and amphibian friends that much, there are many beautiful High Renaissance paintings of wise and humble mythological cold-blooded creatures that would look better on your wall. Titian and Raphael both painted many such paintings: even better than a reproduction, find some happy young art student to paint or draw a frameable version for you.

    >Kek the Unleashable, the Creative Chaos, the Chorus of Hades, the Plague of the Arrogant, the Death of Saturn, and the Wealthy Conqueror of the Slippery Well
    >a pasing fad
    Yeah, passing for thousands of years at this point.

    Frog imagery intensifies

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    I suggest you read Williams (the Inkling) on the Platonic essence of the Frog (for example in his immortal novel 'The Place of the Lion'), since you consider me unpersuasive.

    As for imagery, who among us can say more than Raphael and Titian did about the artist's inspiration (re bufonis) (in a world where there are so many amphibians and cold-blooded reptiles)? There is an answer to that question, by the way: Hades will never have a conquerer as there is nothing (nada, nihil) to conquer, Saturn died a long time ago (longinquam obiit pater Jupiteris) , and the Platonic essence of each animal is as little concerned with leashes and posters as you or I are concerned with the medieval condemnations of alchemy (an ignoble science, having failed and failed again).

    Now, it is always eventually the case that the frogs of the world decide if they shall be frogs, in their essence, or symbols. Everybody knows that. Feel free to disagree with a true friend to frogs - but remember, it is no small thing to be, for a little creature, the only friend it ever had in this world - and remember that Frogs are, in the end, frogs: and you are a man: be a man: do not rely on a small weak frog. Only by doing what is just and reasonable for a man to do can a creature that was born a man succeed in this life: God loves us all, and God loves the little frogs, but their destiny and their duties are not our destiny and are not our duties. In the book of Proverbs there is so much good advice! Or if that is too hard for you read a few of the necessarily less gifted theologians of our day - or even a reference work or two.

    As always, you are welcome for good advice, and if the advice was not good enough for your youthful pride, find better advice elsewhere. Be a good man, be faithful to the Lord who created you, and do not overly rely on our friends the frogs! That is not their vocation!

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  100. Javier Bardem is so Hispanic he often gets mistaken for Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

    https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/photo-gallery/34357837/image/34357855/Javier-Bardem-Jeffrey-Dean-Morgan

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  101. @peterike

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican….mucho spicy and hot blooded….

     

    You know, there's a down side to that "hot blooded" thing, especially if you're married to it.

    Can we please add an “Amen” or “Preach It, Brother!” button?

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  102. @guest
    Etymologically, "Hispanic" derives from the Latin word for Spain. It includes people from the ancient region of Hispania, which was larger than what is now known as Spain.

    Etymologically, “Hispanic” derives from the Latin word for Spain. It includes people from the ancient region of Hispania, which was larger than what is now known as Spain.

    I was thinking about this. If Ancient Romans were talking about the three provinces of the Empire that comprised Hispania (España), they would be speaking about them in Latin, and the interlocutors would be Latinos, as opposed to non-Latin speaking barbarians.

    Ancient Romans were not aware that America existed (North or South), or that some Amerindian cities were already on their way to being among the most populous in the world.

    The present day US takes “Latino” to mean Spanish speaking people, who are, in practice mostly Amerindian immigrants who adopted the Spanish language from their Spanish conquerors (conquerors who would, in their day, have been Españoles rather than Hispañoles, and who had earlier, themselves, adopted Latin – now morphed into Spanish – from their own Roman conquerors).

    On this view “Hispano” is another re-birth in the United States, of Ancient Roman terminology, to add to the existing Roman term “Latino”, with both in practice meaning South and Central American Indians.

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  103. @syonredux

    I love Latina women. Every time I visit Cali or Texas I go nuts. The Latinas are really curvy & make me second guess my current choice about not having children….
     
    Dunno. Most of the Latinx that I see in California are gordita-class, all elephantine hips and continental-scale bums. As for the faces.....ugh.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qPB2ukXJ4Yk/UeStTJS_YWI/AAAAAAAAYQ0/WzIOCmPLxJY/s1600/mexicanas+gordas+(1).jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqQe0FhGWKY/VhbvCcyRW4I/AAAAAAAAFz8/q2c6GBIWSQ8/s1600/1.jpg

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg

    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz – not the hideous mestizoids you are citing with these photographs.

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    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz
     
    Lynda Carter dodged the Mestiza genetic bullet when she was born. Check out her mother and sister:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/32/59/513259ec22198bd2b1a8d17e6e53c4be.jpg
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  104. @J.Ross
    >Kek the Unleashable, the Creative Chaos, the Chorus of Hades, the Plague of the Arrogant, the Death of Saturn, and the Wealthy Conqueror of the Slippery Well
    >a pasing fad
    Yeah, passing for thousands of years at this point.

    Frog imagery intensifies
     

    I suggest you read Williams (the Inkling) on the Platonic essence of the Frog (for example in his immortal novel ‘The Place of the Lion’), since you consider me unpersuasive.

    As for imagery, who among us can say more than Raphael and Titian did about the artist’s inspiration (re bufonis) (in a world where there are so many amphibians and cold-blooded reptiles)? There is an answer to that question, by the way: Hades will never have a conquerer as there is nothing (nada, nihil) to conquer, Saturn died a long time ago (longinquam obiit pater Jupiteris) , and the Platonic essence of each animal is as little concerned with leashes and posters as you or I are concerned with the medieval condemnations of alchemy (an ignoble science, having failed and failed again).

    Now, it is always eventually the case that the frogs of the world decide if they shall be frogs, in their essence, or symbols. Everybody knows that. Feel free to disagree with a true friend to frogs – but remember, it is no small thing to be, for a little creature, the only friend it ever had in this world – and remember that Frogs are, in the end, frogs: and you are a man: be a man: do not rely on a small weak frog. Only by doing what is just and reasonable for a man to do can a creature that was born a man succeed in this life: God loves us all, and God loves the little frogs, but their destiny and their duties are not our destiny and are not our duties. In the book of Proverbs there is so much good advice! Or if that is too hard for you read a few of the necessarily less gifted theologians of our day – or even a reference work or two.

    As always, you are welcome for good advice, and if the advice was not good enough for your youthful pride, find better advice elsewhere. Be a good man, be faithful to the Lord who created you, and do not overly rely on our friends the frogs! That is not their vocation!

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  105. @Autochthon
    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz – not the hideous mestizoids you are citing with these photographs.

    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz

    Lynda Carter dodged the Mestiza genetic bullet when she was born. Check out her mother and sister:

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    Check out her mother and sister:
     
    (Left to right) — Mestizo, Mestiza, Ms. Tease-o
    , @Anonymous
    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips. And the fascination the old geezers had with Vikki Carr: just as with Linda Ronstadt a great singer sure, but appearance wise, just okay.

    Catherine Bach, I could understand.
    , @J.Ross
    Have you seen her daughter?
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  106. @PiltdownMan
    According to the Census Bureau, the Japanese and Indian Dravidians are part of a single ethnic category, along with about 3 billion other people.

    https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1200/900/global-aaj-front/article/2016/07/579a346e5ddf2_579a2fdd41d1d_1984796747.jpeg

    http://dailybouncer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/tamil-men.png

    For a comparison of that sort to mean anything at all, it must be made between comparable photos.

    Female soccer team representing India

    Female soccer team representing Japan

    Female table tennis players representing India

    Female table tennis players representing Japan (although the most famous one of them, who recently has become a mother, looks stereotypically Chinese rather than Japanese)

    Female archers representing India

    Female archers representing Japan

    Of course, the addition of a comparable outgroup would also be necessary in order to gauge any potential degree of phenotypical similarity or dissimilarity between the Indian and the Japanese group photos.

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    I just found out that Fukuhara Ai's baby da...uh, husband, actually represented Taiw...errm, "Chinese Taipei" in the men's team table tennis event at Rio 2016. Added to her physiognomy, it makes me wonder whether she might really be a crypto-Han after all.

    Or maybe they just hit it off at the Olympic Village (potential "dekikon"?).

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  107. @syonredux

    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz
     
    Lynda Carter dodged the Mestiza genetic bullet when she was born. Check out her mother and sister:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/32/59/513259ec22198bd2b1a8d17e6e53c4be.jpg

    Check out her mother and sister:

    (Left to right) — Mestizo, Mestiza, Ms. Tease-o

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  108. @Anonymous
    I've seen the same thing. A good friend was from Madrid and everywhere we went, they would instantly recognize his accent and ask which city he was from. When told, their eyes would glaze over as though they were in a reverie.

    Never any hint of resentment--quite the contrary. Their body language conveyed fealty, almost. I was almost jealous. We Anglos certainly don't get that kind of respect, and this is our country. I mean, this was our country.

    I learned the Spanish of Spain, first from a Spaniard in an American university and, later, Spaniards in Spain, and everyone I speak Spanish to, even those who don’t really speak Spanish worth a damn, recognises the difference. It’s a difference me check greater that that of, say, a Colombian and a Mexican accent. And it does indeed have ramifications for social hierarchies, in the same way that, say, received pronunciation or a refined mid-Atlantic accent does over a Cockney or a drawl….

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  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike

    Like my boss said last night about his first wife who was Mexican….mucho spicy and hot blooded….

     

    You know, there's a down side to that "hot blooded" thing, especially if you're married to it.

    That whole “wild latina” thing is only a little true. White or nearly White Mexicans and Central Americans yeah, but the garden variety mestiza……from what I hear, you’re better off with a watermelon and a brace and bit sized appropriately.

    In the forties, there was Lupe Velez. She set a lot of that mythos off. A quarter century later, Mick married Bianca. (She was a nearlywhite product of a very wealthy Nicaraguan family.) Supposedly she was wild until she had Jade. After that, a dead fish.

    The white loser like Srpski Jeb marrying the scullery maid mestiza sure as hell isn’t doing it for the bouncy-bouncy.

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    Family Guy - Jeb Bush And His Wife


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGxznzfCryY
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  110. All Hispanics used to be labeled “white,” regardless of race or color. It was an administrative rule initiated by FDR’s administration to spare Mexicans-Americans the humiliation of being labeled “non-white.”

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?326503-3/a-quiet-victory-latino-rights

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  111. @Neoconned
    As the saying goes there's a difference between chubby and curvy and chubby and washed out.

    I don't mind a little cushion for the pushing on my women and I like big asses if they're curvy. Latinas in Texas at least also tend to have big hoo-ha's....

    Not that I mind....they're hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens.....and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me....they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom....

    Not that I mind….they’re hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens…..and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me….they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom….

    Another devotee of the Fred Reed school, eh? Chacun à son goût, as my grandfather used to say. I’ll stick to White Anglo women.

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  112. @Anonymous
    That whole "wild latina" thing is only a little true. White or nearly White Mexicans and Central Americans yeah, but the garden variety mestiza......from what I hear, you're better off with a watermelon and a brace and bit sized appropriately.

    In the forties, there was Lupe Velez. She set a lot of that mythos off. A quarter century later, Mick married Bianca. (She was a nearlywhite product of a very wealthy Nicaraguan family.) Supposedly she was wild until she had Jade. After that, a dead fish.

    The white loser like Srpski Jeb marrying the scullery maid mestiza sure as hell isn't doing it for the bouncy-bouncy.

    Family Guy – Jeb Bush And His Wife

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  113. @syonredux

    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz
     
    Lynda Carter dodged the Mestiza genetic bullet when she was born. Check out her mother and sister:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/32/59/513259ec22198bd2b1a8d17e6e53c4be.jpg

    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips. And the fascination the old geezers had with Vikki Carr: just as with Linda Ronstadt a great singer sure, but appearance wise, just okay.

    Catherine Bach, I could understand.

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    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips
     
    Well, as I've said elsewhere on this thread, chacun à son goût. I think that peak-Lynda Carter was pretty easy on the eyes...

    https://postermania.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/lyndacarter1978.jpg
    , @guest
    I never experienced men losing their minds over Ronstadt. Maybe that was a temporary thing. Lynda Carter's power has lasted to this day, for good reason.

    Catherine Bach? Oh, you mean Ms. Forehead?

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  114. @Lot
    When you are done with the US made version with Jeremy Irons, there is a completely separate multi-season premium cable show about the Borgias staring the Wire's Major Rawls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgia_(TV_series)

    I liked them both. The Euro version has somewhat less sex, more intrigue, and a slower pacing. Acting is a little better too, but the sets and battle scenes less lavish.

    I am watching the Euro version, which incidentally was created by an American: Tom Fontana, of Homicide: Life on the Street and Oz fame.

    I think Major Rawls was miscast. Irons is certainly a better actor, but I barely dabbled in the Showtime version. It was too soap-opera-y.

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    "but I barely dabbled in the Showtime version. It was too soap-opera-y"

    Skip to the episodes where the French invade Italy. Cannons pounding late Medieval castles and city walls.
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  115. @syonredux

    Again with the conflation. My guess is the guy likes españaphones – beautiful Caucasian women like Lynda Carter and Penelope Cruz
     
    Lynda Carter dodged the Mestiza genetic bullet when she was born. Check out her mother and sister:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/32/59/513259ec22198bd2b1a8d17e6e53c4be.jpg

    Have you seen her daughter?

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    Have you seen her daughter?
     
    Jessica Altman? Yeah. She's OK, but not in her mother's league:


    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Lynda+Carter+Jessica+Altman+Paley+Honors+Celebrating+Y5tTfU5RFUgl.jpg
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  116. @Anonymous
    What about Anthony Quinn (Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca)? A credit to his race. Verdad!

    His father was Irish. But he looked a lot like his Indian maternal grand mother.

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  117. @rogue-one
    I wonder what stops all whites from identifying as Hispanics on college applications. Will the college run a racial purity test?

    Affirmative action goes by the name. So Whites should “ self identify” as blacks.

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  118. @BB753
    So, how do they classify Brazilians in the US census?

    White or black I suppose

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  119. @Lot
    When you are done with the US made version with Jeremy Irons, there is a completely separate multi-season premium cable show about the Borgias staring the Wire's Major Rawls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgia_(TV_series)

    I liked them both. The Euro version has somewhat less sex, more intrigue, and a slower pacing. Acting is a little better too, but the sets and battle scenes less lavish.

    The Borgias used to be on Netflix Goegeous costumes and sets.

    Henry 7 proposed a marriage between Lucreticia and his son Henry 8 when they were children.

    Pope Borgia turned it down in the grounds that Henry 7’s throne was too unstable as there were too many rebellious aristocrats scheming to over throw the Tudors.

    The thing I liked best about The Borgias was that there was absolutely no PC feminist, homosexual or other liberal propaganda awkwardly inserted

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  120. @guest
    Hispanics definitely are white, so long as they aren't Mestizos* or mixed with Moors or whatever. If they are Mestizos, there's no one-drop rule. They're white if they "pass."

    Or they're at least slightly more white-ish than any iffy Mediterranean Europeans, like Greeks or Italians. A little more like the Irish, whom academics keep failing to convince us weren't considered white at one point.

    *"Is he Spanish from Spain or Spanish from Mexico? Because if it's the latter, mother will refuse."

    -Pete Campbell, Mad Men

    Some claim Italians are part Arab. But how can you say Greeks are not really White? As far as I know there were never any Africans or Arabs in Greece

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    Many "Greeks" are much darker than many Levantine "Arabs." If we don't count Syrians and Lebanese as white then many, if not all, Greeks are obviously not white.

    But then this whole debate highlights the absurdities that often underlie racial categorization. Leftists are right to a large extent when they say race is socially constructed. It's fair to say that Greeks are generally whiter than Arabs but it's absurd to say, or imply (as in your case) "Greeks are white and Arabs aren't."
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  121. @guest
    I am watching the Euro version, which incidentally was created by an American: Tom Fontana, of Homicide: Life on the Street and Oz fame.

    I think Major Rawls was miscast. Irons is certainly a better actor, but I barely dabbled in the Showtime version. It was too soap-opera-y.

    “but I barely dabbled in the Showtime version. It was too soap-opera-y”

    Skip to the episodes where the French invade Italy. Cannons pounding late Medieval castles and city walls.

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  122. @Harry Baldwin
    It would have made more sense to refer to the indigenous peoples of Mexico and Central America as Indians and apply that term to mestizos as well under the one-drop rule. Merely speaking Spanish should not entitle white people to victim status.

    There’s nothing that makes sense about the “one-drop” rule. Only an idiot would think it’s a useful way to look at the world.

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  123. @guest
    The word for Spanish-speakimg is Hispanophone, and the Spanish-speaking world is the Hispanosphere. That is distinct from Hispanicity, which is obviously a category of blood. They say "culture" merely because they don't want to be pinned down racially.

    You must have Iberian or mixed Iberian-Amerind blood to be Hispanic, truly. You can trick people by speaking Spanish and claiming to have been raised in a Hispanic culture, but if you're actually German or something, the designation is not for you.

    Good god you are ignorant. Argentina has millions of people of German descent and Brazil (not “Hispanic” but few Americans would make this distinction) has even more.

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    Yeah I like that he figured out that "Hispanicity" is a question of blutsanteilung when actually what had happened was it's a joke term I just made up.
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  124. @Thea
    Supposedly the modern Irish migrated from modern day Spain a couple thousand years ago so there you go - the Irish really aren't white despite being the palest Europeans.

    Lot more than two millennia back. Hard to say when, as there was a fairly constant trickle of “European Farmer” populations moving in with the initial substrate of neolithic pioneers (possibly setting off from the Morbihan ca. 4300BC) who had spread over western Europe.

    http://www.scottishheritagehub.com/content/221-atlantic-breton-neolithic

    All fairly closely related, if not actual acknowledged kin, and very likely of the same language group (not Vasconic). The eventual Irish final neolithic basal population (I think culturally “Grooved Ware” by then, like their British cousins) was most autosomally like their contemporaries from Spain and Sardinia (you can in fact tell this by just going round and looking at their faces and hair etc.!).
    Figure 3 in this .pdf, particularly top left heatmap.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full.pdf

    Unhappily for them, some odd-looking foreigners with all sorts of strange new tech rolled right over them.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/irelands-population-underwent-a-dramatic-change-4000-years-ago/

    Ultimately from the Eurasian Steppe, via the Rhineland and the Low Countries or further afield, like the “Amesbury Archer”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesbury_Archer

    Both islands occupied, around 2450BC or a bit later. Men and women both, who had pretty much ethnically-cleansed (not “integrated” with) the lot, in as little as a few centuries. Apart from quite a few girls, and perhaps a number of No Surrender! types in S. Scotland and Ulster (y-haplo I2a2, both a&b flavours).

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    Those people’s direct descendants are still there, and constitute the overwhelming majority of the Isles population, but instances of the original “Iberian/Sardinian” farmers’ looks pop up all the time due to the magic of heritability and recombination.

    They even brought their own language, the decayed remnants of which today are known as Gaelic and Welsh. And yes, they do contribute a distinct “German/Russian” look to the population; blondism, red hair, square heads and all, as well as garish woollen plaid cloth, a pugnacious disposition, and a partiality to horses and strong drink (originally swilled from their eponymous Beakers).
    Then they were subsequently dogpiled/augmented in turn by bunches of their by now Celtic-speaking kinsfolk pushing in from the Continent (even NW Iberia lol!), right up until the standard-bearer of the Xth Legion leapt onto the beach at Thanet.

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    Gotta remember the Bell-Beaker Invasion:

    The Beaker culture is an archaeological culture that existed in the late Copper Age and early Bronze age in western Europe, characterized by a particular style of pottery drinking vessels, but also by developments in copper metallurgy, archery, etc.

    It looks as if the culture – a set of ideas and techniques – originated in Spain and spread widely – but then, some of its spread happened by groups that had adopted that culture expanding.

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    This probably happened through war and massacre. If you think otherwise, you reject the historical record – have a fundamentally false notion of human nature.
    Disease is not too plausible as a causal factor, since the proto-Brits were not a long-isolated population like the Amerindians or Polynesians, while for that matter some of the most potent crowd diseases, smallpox for example, weren’t even around yet.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/
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  125. @guest
    "Hispanic" wasn't created with areas related to Portugal in mind. But I don't see how they exclude it, given the way the term is defined.

    Apart from European influence, there are approximately one kabillion other outside groups intermingling in Brazil. It's got that melting pot aroma we're all legally required to find savory. Census categorization is rather up in the air, I'd tend to think, for many Brazilians.

    The main racial factions in Brazil are: white European--chiefly Portuguese--black African, and Amer-Indian. Whites and Mestizos may claim Hispanic status. Pure Indians shouldn't be able to, but I don't know if anyone stops them. Anyone with a drop of African blood could conceivably claim black status. There are a whole bunch of Asians in Brazil, too. Various admixtures could claim Asian as well as white, black, or Hispanic status, I think.

    There are few “Asians” in Brazil. There are many people of “Asian” descent, and virtually all of them are of Japanese descent. The Japanese don’t really view them as Japanese, however, even if the greater Brazilian population does. It’s not unlike how many Irish people object to the idea that an American whose parents and grandparents were born in the US would call himself Irish.

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  126. @Alden
    Some claim Italians are part Arab. But how can you say Greeks are not really White? As far as I know there were never any Africans or Arabs in Greece

    Many “Greeks” are much darker than many Levantine “Arabs.” If we don’t count Syrians and Lebanese as white then many, if not all, Greeks are obviously not white.

    But then this whole debate highlights the absurdities that often underlie racial categorization. Leftists are right to a large extent when they say race is socially constructed. It’s fair to say that Greeks are generally whiter than Arabs but it’s absurd to say, or imply (as in your case) “Greeks are white and Arabs aren’t.”

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  127. @jcd1974
    I have a cousin married to a guy who has an Irish last name but is deemed Hispanic due to the fact his mother is Mexican by heritage (even though she was born and raised in El Paso and culturally is 100% Texan).

    My cousin discovered, when her eldest child applied for college, that her kids are now considered Hispanic too for admission purposes, even though they have an Irish last name and look "white".

    Is Mexican fighter Canelo (Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán) white?
    Or just a member of a persecuted minority? A soulless minority.

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    There's a joke in "The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" where the fabulous gay BFF says "Red hair and brown eyes, did God run out of crayons?"
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  128. @J.Ross
    That and the consistent nonwhite hatred for objective reality and free speech means Chinese levels of censorship will erase our every accomplishment. The "We Wuz Kangz, They Hid in Caves" meme isn't just a joke, there's people who totally believe that, and one day there will be no countering story. We are already seeing an aggressive and Soviet rewriting of history on non-ethnic lines in our legal philosophy. We need to purge the judiciary, reform the law schools, and make strict constructionism the skeleton of our Constitutional education.

    Already happening. Besides “Black Vikings” and other absurdities, the BBC (who else?) is busily shoving this crap out as educational content for young schoolchildren.
    I can’t find the absolutely priceless shot from this series of a Negro berserker charging with his fellow woad-bedecked Britons against the Roman invaders.
    According to Dr Who, Britain already had a vast urban black population in the 18th century.

    This is serious. Lying about History. To children.
    Even Stalin would have blushed at the crudity and desperation of the British Establishment’s desire to blackwash their subjects, if not outright dispose of the aborigines in favour of a more objectively and ineradicably identifiable serf-class looking utterly unlike themselves.
    This goes far beyond the historical definition of “treachery”.

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  129. @syonredux

    Edgar Ramirez might be capable of being a Man of Many Races.

     

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2016/11/edgar_ramirez.jpg

    He looks weirdly Austrian

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    Found it. At 04:19. O I am laffin.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfwrl
    Also stronk wimmenz agogo.

    Bonus pozpoints for the African (well he is a Blacksmith, see what they did there?) introducing the idiotic Northern-accented yokels to ironworking (ca.800BC, IIRC, but dating AFU by the transition over to general iron use landing smack-dab in the middle of the "radiocarbon disaster area". Possibly already known by C10th BC, Collard et al, PPS 72 (2006), 367-421).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfx61 (at 03:10)

    "These films are designed to help children understand the chronology of history."
     
    Not if you're going to have mesolithic people living in caves, scribbling on the walls and also putting in a shift in the flint mine, you're not.
    Not even wrong.
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  130. @AndrewR
    Good god you are ignorant. Argentina has millions of people of German descent and Brazil (not "Hispanic" but few Americans would make this distinction) has even more.

    Yeah I like that he figured out that “Hispanicity” is a question of blutsanteilung when actually what had happened was it’s a joke term I just made up.

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  131. @üeljang
    For a comparison of that sort to mean anything at all, it must be made between comparable photos.

    Female soccer team representing India
    https://statics.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/india-womens-football-team-1425884503.jpg

    Female soccer team representing Japan
    http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JF447_jnades_G_20150702214624.jpg

    Female table tennis players representing India
    http://s3.india.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tt.jpg

    Female table tennis players representing Japan (although the most famous one of them, who recently has become a mother, looks stereotypically Chinese rather than Japanese)
    http://iishigoto.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_b63/iishigoto/image/2008-02-28T22:54:58-5c9c5.JPG

    Female archers representing India
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Women_Archery_team.jpg

    Female archers representing Japan
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/51/be/a351beea265b204b4d315f5fa63f6e04.jpg

    Of course, the addition of a comparable outgroup would also be necessary in order to gauge any potential degree of phenotypical similarity or dissimilarity between the Indian and the Japanese group photos.

    I just found out that Fukuhara Ai’s baby da…uh, husband, actually represented Taiw…errm, “Chinese Taipei” in the men’s team table tennis event at Rio 2016. Added to her physiognomy, it makes me wonder whether she might really be a crypto-Han after all.

    Or maybe they just hit it off at the Olympic Village (potential “dekikon”?).

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    Nope, scratch that -- Fukuhara and Chiang Hung-chieh must have been prudent enough to go through the formality of getting married before making a baby if one may judge by the nearly 13-month gap between the date of their wedding and the date on her blog post sharing photos of her newborn daughter. Unless she were diabolical enough to take photos beforehand and post them on her blog at a later date while pretending that they were brand new photos.

    Well, whatever, I still think she most likely has recent Chinese ancestry.

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  132. @Steve Sailer
    Del Toro looks and talks kind of like Lou Reed. Bardem looks like the scary version of Jesus in the Byzantine mosaic Christ Pantokrator.

    Penelope Cruz looks fine.

    Meanwhile, Outer Space Redlining and Space Flight from White are perfect reminders of Weimerica’s Last Current Century ;

    One righteous brotha got himself blackity-black-blangry because NASA , in rare move, bumped off his CIA-certified big sista from Putin’s Milenium Falcon …only to make history and space for George Zimmerman’s Dreamingly Caucasian Hermanaut :

    ” My sister Dr. Jeannette Epps has been fighting against oppressive racism and misogynist in NASA and now they are holding her back and allowing a Caucasian Astronaut to take her place!

    My sister deserve a chance just life [sic] her white peers!

    This administration policies and culture is reprehensible against their stance against women and minorities in this nation.

    We have lost all of the gains we gained over the past 40 years in one year?

    No more!

    ‘We cannot continue to tolerate what is going on in America but we must stand together and stand behind our people and out [sic] nation!’

    ( Henry Epps on Facebook. )

    Dark Matter:

    White Dwarf:

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    Jeannette Epps ... Astronaut

     

    Jeannette? Much better would be an astronaut named Leshaniqua.
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  133. @üeljang
    I just found out that Fukuhara Ai's baby da...uh, husband, actually represented Taiw...errm, "Chinese Taipei" in the men's team table tennis event at Rio 2016. Added to her physiognomy, it makes me wonder whether she might really be a crypto-Han after all.

    Or maybe they just hit it off at the Olympic Village (potential "dekikon"?).

    Nope, scratch that — Fukuhara and Chiang Hung-chieh must have been prudent enough to go through the formality of getting married before making a baby if one may judge by the nearly 13-month gap between the date of their wedding and the date on her blog post sharing photos of her newborn daughter. Unless she were diabolical enough to take photos beforehand and post them on her blog at a later date while pretending that they were brand new photos.

    Well, whatever, I still think she most likely has recent Chinese ancestry.

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  134. @Anonymous
    What about Anthony Quinn (Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca)? A credit to his race. Verdad!

    He was 3/4 Hispanic and 1/4 Irish. I think his Hispanic ancestry was all Mexican. His PR flak put out a story that he was 1/2 and 1/2; that his father was an “Irish adventurer.” This was not true.

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  135. @Expletive Deleted
    He looks weirdly Austrian

    Found it. At 04:19. O I am laffin.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfwrl

    Also stronk wimmenz agogo.

    Bonus pozpoints for the African (well he is a Blacksmith, see what they did there?) introducing the idiotic Northern-accented yokels to ironworking (ca.800BC, IIRC, but dating AFU by the transition over to general iron use landing smack-dab in the middle of the “radiocarbon disaster area”. Possibly already known by C10th BC, Collard et al, PPS 72 (2006), 367-421).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfx61 (at 03:10)

    “These films are designed to help children understand the chronology of history.”

    Not if you’re going to have mesolithic people living in caves, scribbling on the walls and also putting in a shift in the flint mine, you’re not.
    Not even wrong.

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  136. @Corn
    Although I’ve only passed through New Mexico, I’ve read before you have three main groups in New Mexico besides the odd black or Asian:

    The whites, the Hispanos/Spaniards , and the Mexicans. Supposedly, the Spaniards can (or try) to trace their ancestry back to Spanish settlers in the 17th and 18th century. I read they often have a chip on their shoulder against Anglo whites, viewing them as invaders, but they also look down on the more mestizo Mexicans, considering them inferiors.

    I don’t know how true that is though.

    I have met some of the Spanish (not Mestizo) New Mexicans, and some with very long histories there. One I know well showed me a carefully preserved 1698 land grant from the Spanish king. They definitely distinguish themselves from the mestizos as well as the Anglos.

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  137. @Expletive Deleted
    Is Mexican fighter Canelo (Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán) white?
    Or just a member of a persecuted minority? A soulless minority.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000317991670.jpg

    There’s a joke in “The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” where the fabulous gay BFF says “Red hair and brown eyes, did God run out of crayons?”

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  138. @Expletive Deleted
    Lot more than two millennia back. Hard to say when, as there was a fairly constant trickle of "European Farmer" populations moving in with the initial substrate of neolithic pioneers (possibly setting off from the Morbihan ca. 4300BC) who had spread over western Europe.
    http://www.scottishheritagehub.com/content/221-atlantic-breton-neolithic

    All fairly closely related, if not actual acknowledged kin, and very likely of the same language group (not Vasconic). The eventual Irish final neolithic basal population (I think culturally "Grooved Ware" by then, like their British cousins) was most autosomally like their contemporaries from Spain and Sardinia (you can in fact tell this by just going round and looking at their faces and hair etc.!).
    Figure 3 in this .pdf, particularly top left heatmap.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full.pdf

    Unhappily for them, some odd-looking foreigners with all sorts of strange new tech rolled right over them.
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/irelands-population-underwent-a-dramatic-change-4000-years-ago/
    Ultimately from the Eurasian Steppe, via the Rhineland and the Low Countries or further afield, like the "Amesbury Archer".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesbury_Archer

    Both islands occupied, around 2450BC or a bit later. Men and women both, who had pretty much ethnically-cleansed (not "integrated" with) the lot, in as little as a few centuries. Apart from quite a few girls, and perhaps a number of No Surrender! types in S. Scotland and Ulster (y-haplo I2a2, both a&b flavours).
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    Those people's direct descendants are still there, and constitute the overwhelming majority of the Isles population, but instances of the original "Iberian/Sardinian" farmers' looks pop up all the time due to the magic of heritability and recombination.

    They even brought their own language, the decayed remnants of which today are known as Gaelic and Welsh. And yes, they do contribute a distinct "German/Russian" look to the population; blondism, red hair, square heads and all, as well as garish woollen plaid cloth, a pugnacious disposition, and a partiality to horses and strong drink (originally swilled from their eponymous Beakers).
    Then they were subsequently dogpiled/augmented in turn by bunches of their by now Celtic-speaking kinsfolk pushing in from the Continent (even NW Iberia lol!), right up until the standard-bearer of the Xth Legion leapt onto the beach at Thanet.

    Gotta remember the Bell-Beaker Invasion:

    The Beaker culture is an archaeological culture that existed in the late Copper Age and early Bronze age in western Europe, characterized by a particular style of pottery drinking vessels, but also by developments in copper metallurgy, archery, etc.

    It looks as if the culture – a set of ideas and techniques – originated in Spain and spread widely – but then, some of its spread happened by groups that had adopted that culture expanding.

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    This probably happened through war and massacre. If you think otherwise, you reject the historical record – have a fundamentally false notion of human nature. Disease is not too plausible as a causal factor, since the proto-Brits were not a long-isolated population like the Amerindians or Polynesians, while for that matter some of the most potent crowd diseases, smallpox for example, weren’t even around yet.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/

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  139. @Anonymous
    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips. And the fascination the old geezers had with Vikki Carr: just as with Linda Ronstadt a great singer sure, but appearance wise, just okay.

    Catherine Bach, I could understand.

    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips

    Well, as I’ve said elsewhere on this thread, chacun à son goût. I think that peak-Lynda Carter was pretty easy on the eyes…

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  140. @J.Ross
    Have you seen her daughter?

    Have you seen her daughter?

    Jessica Altman? Yeah. She’s OK, but not in her mother’s league:

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    Yeah, but to be fair, Lynda Carter is one in a million; a (gorgeous!) genetic freak of nature. Just as Michael Phelps' offspring will almost certainly not have a long torso to match his nor Steve Perry's a larnyx with his ridiculous vocal range, so with beauties like Carter. One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother's middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples. After a certain point the daughter's youth and fertility (and the mother's battle with aging, gravity, sun...) will restore the weight of things to favor the younger daughter, but in the meantime I bet some resentments simmer, even if only subconsciously....
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  141. @syonredux

    Have you seen her daughter?
     
    Jessica Altman? Yeah. She's OK, but not in her mother's league:


    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Lynda+Carter+Jessica+Altman+Paley+Honors+Celebrating+Y5tTfU5RFUgl.jpg

    Yeah, but to be fair, Lynda Carter is one in a million; a (gorgeous!) genetic freak of nature. Just as Michael Phelps’ offspring will almost certainly not have a long torso to match his nor Steve Perry’s a larnyx with his ridiculous vocal range, so with beauties like Carter. One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother’s middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples. After a certain point the daughter’s youth and fertility (and the mother’s battle with aging, gravity, sun…) will restore the weight of things to favor the younger daughter, but in the meantime I bet some resentments simmer, even if only subconsciously….

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    One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother’s middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples.
     
    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2017_06/1193430/christie-brinkley-daughters-si-issue-001-tease-today-170207_009ca564822e5f7ed2aa0598c1cc8baa.jpg
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  142. @Neoconned
    As the saying goes there's a difference between chubby and curvy and chubby and washed out.

    I don't mind a little cushion for the pushing on my women and I like big asses if they're curvy. Latinas in Texas at least also tend to have big hoo-ha's....

    Not that I mind....they're hot blooded but still treat you better than most of the little white girl drama queens.....and cost more. Many Latinas will cook for you and are boring like me....they like staying home and taking care of business in the bedroom....

    I’ve never heard that saying before.

    How about simply: there’s a difference between fat and curvy.

    Whereas fatty deposits on women are attractive, if placed and proportioned correctly, there’s no necessary correlation between being chubbier and being curvier. Often they have nothing to do with one another.

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  143. @Anonymous
    I just never thought Lynda Carter was all that and a bag of chips. And the fascination the old geezers had with Vikki Carr: just as with Linda Ronstadt a great singer sure, but appearance wise, just okay.

    Catherine Bach, I could understand.

    I never experienced men losing their minds over Ronstadt. Maybe that was a temporary thing. Lynda Carter’s power has lasted to this day, for good reason.

    Catherine Bach? Oh, you mean Ms. Forehead?

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  144. @bored identity
    Meanwhile, Outer Space Redlining and Space Flight from White are perfect reminders of Weimerica's Last Current Century ;


    One righteous brotha got himself blackity-black-blangry because NASA , in rare move, bumped off his CIA-certified big sista from Putin's Milenium Falcon ...only to make history and space for George Zimmerman's Dreamingly Caucasian Hermanaut :





    " My sister Dr. Jeannette Epps has been fighting against oppressive racism and misogynist in NASA and now they are holding her back and allowing a Caucasian Astronaut to take her place!

    My sister deserve a chance just life [sic] her white peers!

    This administration policies and culture is reprehensible against their stance against women and minorities in this nation.

    We have lost all of the gains we gained over the past 40 years in one year?

    No more!


    'We cannot continue to tolerate what is going on in America but we must stand together and stand behind our people and out [sic] nation!'


    ( Henry Epps on Facebook. )

     

    Dark Matter:


    https://youtu.be/tLt6UwK66O4


    White Dwarf:


    https://youtu.be/7KCM089-Lv8

    Jeannette Epps … Astronaut

    Jeannette? Much better would be an astronaut named Leshaniqua.

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  145. @Autochthon
    Yeah, but to be fair, Lynda Carter is one in a million; a (gorgeous!) genetic freak of nature. Just as Michael Phelps' offspring will almost certainly not have a long torso to match his nor Steve Perry's a larnyx with his ridiculous vocal range, so with beauties like Carter. One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother's middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples. After a certain point the daughter's youth and fertility (and the mother's battle with aging, gravity, sun...) will restore the weight of things to favor the younger daughter, but in the meantime I bet some resentments simmer, even if only subconsciously....

    One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother’s middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples.

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    Exactly. Christie Brinkley is still hotter than the daughter to the left (who, although certainly attractive, tragically favors dad Billy Joel more than mom...the resentment she must feel for her siblings and her mom...). Mind you, naked the daughter probably still has an advantage for reasons I won't go I to (family blog and all...).
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  146. @J.Ross
    >Penelope Cruz looks fine
    I never got this. Spanish women are amazing, especially modern Celts; plenty of mestizos are amazing. Penelope Cruz doesn't look like any of those types, she looks like a fashion model, and her face has always struck me as an acquired taste.

    She always looks like a duck to me.

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  147. @syonredux

    One wonders what this does for the dynamic between mother and daughter: how weird must it be for the daughter to have a mother who is more attractive than she is well into the mother’s middle age? Christie Brinkley and Cindy Crawford come to mind as other examples.
     
    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2017_06/1193430/christie-brinkley-daughters-si-issue-001-tease-today-170207_009ca564822e5f7ed2aa0598c1cc8baa.jpg

    Exactly. Christie Brinkley is still hotter than the daughter to the left (who, although certainly attractive, tragically favors dad Billy Joel more than mom…the resentment she must feel for her siblings and her mom…). Mind you, naked the daughter probably still has an advantage for reasons I won’t go I to (family blog and all…).

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    Do you need new glasses? Do you enjoy buggering men? Are you a retard? Or are you just a pathological liar?

    The daughter on the left is absolutely the most beautiful of the three in this photograph (regardless of how she might compare to Christie in her prime).
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  148. @Autochthon
    Exactly. Christie Brinkley is still hotter than the daughter to the left (who, although certainly attractive, tragically favors dad Billy Joel more than mom...the resentment she must feel for her siblings and her mom...). Mind you, naked the daughter probably still has an advantage for reasons I won't go I to (family blog and all...).

    Do you need new glasses? Do you enjoy buggering men? Are you a retard? Or are you just a pathological liar?

    The daughter on the left is absolutely the most beautiful of the three in this photograph (regardless of how she might compare to Christie in her prime).

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  149. Insider info on the OscarsSoWhite phenomenon: the woman who started that twitter hashtag, April Reign, was formerly known as April Sands and was a staff attorney at the Federal Election Commission. She was caught violating the Hatch Act (the law that bans federal employees from participating in political campaigns) in 2014 – she had been campaigning for Barack Obama on the Huffington Post website, broadcasting from the FEC’s own conference room.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2692218/Another-recycled-hard-drive-Former-Lois-Lerner-deputy-prosecuted-fundraising-Democrats-job-FEC-destroyed-evidence.html

    She reinvented herself as April Reign, and went on to OscarsSoWhite fame a few years later. She is now treated as a media personality and expert on the racial diversification of Hollywood. Her backstory is never mentioned. For example:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-april-reign-oscars-so-white-20180123-story.html

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