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In 2017, I keep hearing the name Linda Sarsour. But I had never heard of before. Why is she famous now? Well, Linda herself has a good insight into why she’s now the face of pro-Islam feminism (or whatever her gig is):

When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.

But now she’s no longer an ordinary white girl, she’s a hijab-wearing Diverse celebrity, so it’s all good.

 
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  1. Thomas says:

    “Sarsour was married in an arranged marriage at the age of 17 and had three children by her mid-20s.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    She should give herself some credit. That’s much more productive than your average mid-20s ordinary white girl from New York City.

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    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    Not sure why anyone would think she is White. Not even close.
    , @BB753
    That's why we're losing the demographic battle. We have women in their prime reproductive age in college or fooling around until well past 30 years old.
    , @Perplexed
    Is she cut? How much? I wish someone would ask her in public.
    , @Autochthon
    This woman is white like I am the last king of Scotland.
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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

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    • Replies: @helena
    Maybe originally, in some societies.
    Nowadays the hijab is also adopted by women wishing to publically identify as Islam-in-the-West, also as a sort of neo-feminist symbol; and by converts who are just trying to find themselves.
    But importantly, the powers behind Islam recognise that the hijab-in-the-west plays a very useful role of confusing western governments and disorientating post-christian europeans. The head scarf is at one and the same time is simply freedom to dress how we choose and, an entirely integral civilisation.
    Since the religion does not partition itself into different forms, the co-existence of different degrees of adherence enables the orthodox to advance on the basis that 'not all Muslims are extreme and we mustn't stereotype an entire group of people'.
    This is a very clever strategy that could be challenged by arguing the 'relationship between the hijab and the western concept of public space'. But western politicians do not understand the true developmental nature of public space. So relativism wins again. Relativism for the masses, one world government for the few. But will it be Arab, Chinese, Jewish or Russian?
    , @Seamus Padraig

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking. Even if the woman is not particularly attractive, if she's in hijab, people are much more likely to look at her.
    , @TTSSYF
    I'm especially amused at the hijab-wearing women I see on occasion at the mall or grocery store who are wearing loads of eye make-up.
    , @SteveM

    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     

    I've thought the same thing when I see many young Islamic women wearing hijabs supposedly for modesty but also wearing heavy makeup as a contradictory "look at me."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    No, the whole point of the burqa is to keep oversexed Middle Eastern men in line, because they are assumed to have no self-control where it comes to female flesh.

    Where they might get that idea, I don't know...
  3. Rod1963 says:

    She’s a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she’s a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don’t care that she’s now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don’t even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo’s, atheists and Jews. That’s what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran’s Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn’t a hardline Shia.

    That’s the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to outwardly display as much beauty, flesh and hair as possible - just look at that mirror of the world which is the Daily Mail sidebar.
    Therefore, all Sarsour is doing is imposing patriarchy.
    , @Verymuchalive
    " the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time."
    Muslims, by and large, have allied themselves with leftist parties. The latter are delighted because it ties in with their policy of increasing the number of 3rd World Immigrants/Welfare Class, who will vote for the Left in perpetuity, or so they think.
    Muslims know that once their numbers become large enough, they will break away and form their own Islamic parties.
    Few noticed that in this year's Dutch Elections, 2 former Labour MPs stood for a new Turkish Islamic party. They won 2 seats in the new Parliaments. I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.
    The monster is already out the cage.
    , @njguy73
    Whenever I make that point, lefties always respond, “Oh, well, that’s typical right-wing racism.” In fact, it ought to be the Left’s issue. I’m a “social conservative.” When the mullahs take over, I’ll grow my beard a little fuller, get a couple extra wives, and keep my head down. It’s the feminists and gays who’ll have a tougher time. If, say, three of the five judges on the Massachusetts Supreme Court are Muslim, what are the chances of them approving “gay marriage”? - Mark Steyn, America Alone, 2006
    , @Jake
    Mohamedans will NOT kill all the feminists. They will make the better looking ones concubines and do them any time they want, any way they want.

    The real Haven Monaghans are Moslem.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    She’s a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.
     
    Read her entire wiki!!!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    In September 2017 Sarsour was listed in the Politico 50 annual list for emerging "as the face of the resistance to Donald Trump".[59]
     
    Sarsour has a lot of money, support and connections behind her, from a wide array of sources, Islamist, JEWISH!!!!, and I mean not just Soros, Globalist, Feminist, Cultural Marxist Media, Antifa, BLM....

    In particular the message seems to be from Ultra-Zionist Jewish-Americans "Hey look America at how this brave young Palestinian immigrant is contributing to the country's diversity. What a shame we can not relocate the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip Palestinian population to America".
    , @Kylie
    "That’s the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time."

    The downside for them, certainly. I'm not seeing the downside in that for us.
  4. Thomm says:

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don’t even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country,

    If you actually understood how women think, the feminist support for Islam would be no mystery at all.

    Islam is quite compatible with many aspects of feminism.

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    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Well, I know how this woman thinks. I find it infuriating, and also frightening for what it portends for this country. If you notice, you will see that they never let an infidel catch their eye. Of course it appears that they are assimilating here in American far better than in Europe, but that's only because they haven't reached a critical mass. We are inviting our own destruction, with too many fools cheering it on.
    , @Joe Franklin
    Practically nothing about feminism is compatible with the US constitution.

    Feminism is hysteria exuded by women and other diversity freaks that neurotically agitate for more illicit federal entitlements for women.

    Feminism might be somewhat compatible with the US constitution if it were implemented at the state and local level, but feminist are intrinsically totalitarian so they naturally seek a more control-freak style government.

    Feminism is compatible with Islam because both ideologies are totalitarian, anti-limited government, anti-occidental, anti-liberal, anti-Christian, and in favor of special federal rights for special people.

    Also like Feminism, Muslims are also a whiny victim cult that claims to be oppressed by the same designated enemy of PC, the straight white male Christian.

    Here's a listing of some illicit federal entitlements currently enjoyed by feminist:



    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get frequently screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on Demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminist gender studies, speech codes, micro aggression nonsense, and rape hysteria institutionalized in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Federal sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Federal Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen, firemen, soldier, and professional sports
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech crime laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Feminist majority interoperate with federal diversity schemers
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote feminist entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women
    34. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    35. 98% of homeless are men
    36. Females often receive a slap on wrist for abusing children, men instead receive harsh sentences.
  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to outwardly display as much beauty, flesh and hair as possible – just look at that mirror of the world which is the Daily Mail sidebar.
    Therefore, all Sarsour is doing is imposing patriarchy.

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    • Replies: @Forbes

    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to
     
    draw attention to themselves, including by making a spectacle of themselves. The hijab does the trick.

    Exhibit no. 1 are the testimonials in the embedded video.

    , @hhsiii
    I have to admit, although it sounds cliche, but there are a lot of hijab wearing women in NYC these days, especially coeds near Hunter College where I live, and most look fairly homely, maybe a couple of exceptions that look average. My niece wrote a pro-hijab bit from a fashionista/feminist sense and I didn't have the heart to point out the obvious contradictions.
  6. She’s just a pawn in their game. White women are the greatest gift to oligarchical power.

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  7. jim jones says:

    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Be careful! Hundreds of baby spiders will scramble out in all directions.

    Have a can of spray handy.
    , @Verymuchalive
    I've had that impulse myself, but I would counsel against it, Dr Jim.
    The University would not only sack you, but probably try to take away your degrees as well. Antifas would be demanding, " No Degrees for Haters. No Education for Haters."
    , @Mr. Anon

    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.
     
    She wears a hijab - not a burka? What a tramp!
  8. G Pinfold says:
    @Thomas
    "Sarsour was married in an arranged marriage at the age of 17 and had three children by her mid-20s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    She should give herself some credit. That's much more productive than your average mid-20s ordinary white girl from New York City.

    Not sure why anyone would think she is White. Not even close.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Are you serious? She's not Nordic, but otherwise she's quite unremarkable Mediterranean white. Unsurprisingly, since she's Mediterranean. Most Palestinians are swarthier.
    , @biz
    her white skin tone?
    , @AndrewR
    Not sure why you chose to write such a stupid comment, but here we are.
    , @Logan
    So who is White? Where do you draw the line?
  9. helena says:
    @Anonymous
    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female 'invisibility' in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    Maybe originally, in some societies.
    Nowadays the hijab is also adopted by women wishing to publically identify as Islam-in-the-West, also as a sort of neo-feminist symbol; and by converts who are just trying to find themselves.
    But importantly, the powers behind Islam recognise that the hijab-in-the-west plays a very useful role of confusing western governments and disorientating post-christian europeans. The head scarf is at one and the same time is simply freedom to dress how we choose and, an entirely integral civilisation.
    Since the religion does not partition itself into different forms, the co-existence of different degrees of adherence enables the orthodox to advance on the basis that ‘not all Muslims are extreme and we mustn’t stereotype an entire group of people’.
    This is a very clever strategy that could be challenged by arguing the ‘relationship between the hijab and the western concept of public space’. But western politicians do not understand the true developmental nature of public space. So relativism wins again. Relativism for the masses, one world government for the few. But will it be Arab, Chinese, Jewish or Russian?

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    There's also a deliberate "linguistic otherness" in the way they talk about it.

    They never say "a hijab" or "the hijab." It's right there in the text Steve boxquoted:

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.
     
    So it immediately registers as alien both to your eyes and ears.
  10. some ordinary white girl from New York City

    She brings up an interesting demographic question.

    What percentage of girls from New York City (not transplants) are ordinary white g(oy)irls from Manhattan? From the other four boroughs combined?

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    The desired NYC Millennial female form is layabout, slutty, fat, drunk and drugged with a shrink and a trust fund from (preferably Jewish, for extra privilege points and to not have to carry the "ordinary" label)) Uptown Mommy and Daddy.

    Think "Girls", as opposed to Sex In The City. The behaviors and dramas are the same, but the deliberate cultivation of an ugly-and-obese appearance and unsuccessful and unaccomplished life is apparently desirable to the Millennial chicks of Girls. The sluts of Sex In The City were a comparatively classy group of broads.

    These shows were trendsetters because women copy each other starting off with slutty behavior. Tatts, piercings, Blue hair, obesity were natural follow-ons. If you can name it, chicks copy it. The other common thread is attention-seeking. When defacement of the body is all routine and produces no particular attention now that all women are defaced, women will seek something else. Hence, White Jewish chicks in Muslim gear, all just a fashion statement, of course. They ARE toying with a rather iffy proposition. Having won the Matriarchy to now invite in and embrace a brutal and truly oppressive Islamic Patriarchy is counter-intuitive, especially for Jewess chicks. Why now?

    Me, a downtrodden White guy (not really downtrodden, but for the discussion), why should I oppose Islam? Under the New Caliphate, I get my privilege, my trailer and my guns back, something begrudged me by third-wave feminism. I'm supposed to defend feminism from Islam? I gave up that argument twenty years back. Besides, when all women are in Burquas, I'll still be able to tell which are fat, which are thin. There are so many who are obese now, better they cover up.

    , @Forbes
    The white public school population is ~16% in NYC. Should be a good proxy. White school girls would be ~8%. White women of maternal age might also be 16%. White non-Hispanic population is ~35%.
    , @AndrewR
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tiffany and Ivanka are literally the only ones.
  11. @Anonymous
    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female 'invisibility' in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking. Even if the woman is not particularly attractive, if she’s in hijab, people are much more likely to look at her.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Once all women (per fashion, or by the edict of the Caliphate) are covered, it won't be attention-drawing anymore. At that point, women are going to have to find something else to draw attention. If covered by Muslim edict, they aren't going to be ALLOWED to uncover in public.

    And THEN they will be in a world of shit. See: Norway, Sweden, larges swatches of Germany and London, where the cops tell the women to cover up, travel with an uncle, or stay off the streets altogether to avoid the insults by Muslim men.

    , @3g4me
    @11 Seamus Padraig: "But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking."

    Particularly since so many of the magic-dirt variety Mohammedans (i.e. 1st and 2nd generation putative "American-born") wear brightly colored hijabs adorned with various sorts of bangles, bobbles, spangles and bling designed precisely to draw one's eye, and combine them with tight fitting jeans (because they're all American of course). The entire point of wearing any form of hijab in a Western nation is to draw attention of difference (I'm a special snowflake and not one of the native mob) and implied superiority (I can't be challenged because racism/islamophobia, and we're here, we're increasing our presence, and you can't do or say anything about it). This goes double for those who wear the head-to-toe black shroud along with black gloves and sunglasses - and yes, I've seen a number of those here in Texas' 100 degree summer heat.

    In short, typical passive-aggressive female and/or third-world behavior.
    , @AndrewR
    Lol you mean "non-Islamic."
  12. @jim jones
    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.

    Be careful! Hundreds of baby spiders will scramble out in all directions.

    Have a can of spray handy.

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  13. The Islamic-Feminist linkup can look contradictory, but it just shows how human nature compensates.

    There is perhaps an ideal ratio of submissiveness between men and women. Maybe women are by nature a bit more submissive than men. When that submissiveness is completely eradicated on the surface (as under modern Feminism), then the unconscious gravitates towards the desire for complete submissiveness (Islam). The authentic level of submission is somewhere inbetween.

    A similar example is that when laws of gender equality are at their apex, and men are expected to behave in the most PC and bland way possible – what is the best-selling novel? Fifty Shades of Grey. Completely opposite. Nature will out.

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    • Agree: Laugh Track
    • Replies: @guest
    You're overthinking it. Feminism is out to destroy Western Civilization. Islam is rival to Western Civilization, and Muslims are explosively disruptive when they live within or beside it. Therefore, they're allies.

    Simple as that.

  14. Veracitor says:

    She’s an attention whore. She found a way to get attention.

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.
     
    Maybe, if she wanted to endure 40-100 lashes on the back. There is a real, authentic and violent-toward-women Patriarchy in Saudi and Iran, Afghanistan, Africa, Paki-Whacky. Whippings, beatings, men hold all the jobs and women are in servitude to their men, at home, with 7 children.

    This is why I'm amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here.
    , @hhsiii
    Spot on
  15. @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    ” the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.”
    Muslims, by and large, have allied themselves with leftist parties. The latter are delighted because it ties in with their policy of increasing the number of 3rd World Immigrants/Welfare Class, who will vote for the Left in perpetuity, or so they think.
    Muslims know that once their numbers become large enough, they will break away and form their own Islamic parties.
    Few noticed that in this year’s Dutch Elections, 2 former Labour MPs stood for a new Turkish Islamic party. They won 2 seats in the new Parliaments. I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.
    The monster is already out the cage.

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    • Agree: Jim Christian, Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    The monster is already out the cage.
     
    Indeed. They breed like rats, too. However, as a Christian male, White, flat OUT of privilege in my own country, the US, why should *I* resist Islam? Under Islam, I get my male privilege back and more authority over women than even my old Daddy and Grand Daddy EVER had over their women. The White men of Europe seem to be knuckling under for the most part, I see no White Knighting, the feminist women are subject to enormous insult and hassle and especially, rape, where Muslims gather. Maybe British White Christian men figured, screw it, they get their privilege back. Modern feminists hurled so much insult at White Men the past fifty years, maybe it's a White-Man's trend to say, to Hell with them?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament."

    If Denk are Islamist wikipedia's not blazoning it (although fancy living in a "tolerant society" where every expression of not being on board with mass immigration puts you on a "racism register"?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denk_(political_party)



    George Galloway's Respect party won a single seat in two separate UK elections (since lost), but it wasn't a specifically Islamist party, despite its support base being predominantly Muslim. If Britain had proportional representation like Holland I imagine they'd also have a "Denk".
    , @helena
    Islam as an institution probably sees that the ideology of troxism is already 'submission' - submission to the one party, the one true list of acceptable thoughts - so the left will be easy to Islamise. The left has already agreed that hair covering is liberating and anti-fa is getting ever more skilled/skilfull/skillful at throwing stones.
  16. @jim jones
    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.

    I’ve had that impulse myself, but I would counsel against it, Dr Jim.
    The University would not only sack you, but probably try to take away your degrees as well. Antifas would be demanding, ” No Degrees for Haters. No Education for Haters.”

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    • Replies: @jim jones
    I suspect that most of us come here to Unz to blow of a little steam and reduce the internal pressure.
  17. Brabantian says: • Website

    One thing I’ve learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of ‘hijab porn’ that is popular amongst Islamic boys … girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a ‘normal’ teen-ager … Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression … You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt … Hijab sexy-style like this

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Oh sure, that's going to earn 200 lashes if it turns up in Mecca.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.
    , @reiner Tor

    Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression …
     
    No, no, and no. It's not our job to save Muslim women from oppression (which usually comes from other women, e.g. mother-in-laws demanding that their daughter-in-laws wear the hijab or else...), seeing a lot of hijabs is quite a bit of a red pill (so it would do a disservice to the alt-right if our traitor ruling class would actually ban hijabs), and then, how would it be enforced? You'd see sob stories in the media about the poor innocent Muslim woman who was heavily fined simply for practicing her religion but has no money...

    You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes
     
    Actually, in Islam, even men have to be dressed modestly, for example the knees and shoulders (and everything in between) have to be covered even for men. This means that it's not just that Islam forces women to dress up more tightly in the summer (or on the beach), but also that their men often don't even follow the laxer rules set for them. Among the refugees for example the women always wore full hijabs etc., while the men usually wore shorts: the latter is supposed to be haram. (There are I think some liberal Islamic scholars who argue that it's actually enough to dress "modestly" by the standards of the society they find themselves in, e.g. on a beach in Italy not to wear bikinis but instead a normal swimming dress, etc. But then why are the women dressing stricter than that? It's a double standard, however you look at it, even by Islam's own already skewed standards.)
    , @Barnard

    there is a category of ‘hijab porn’ that is popular amongst Islamic boys … girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks,
     
    How bizarre. I'm surprised the Islamic hardliners haven't been making statements against this. Unless this is considered acceptable somehow.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt … Hijab sexy-style like this
     
    This is very much an Iranian thing.

    Iranian Official Dressed Down Over Revealing Women’s Leggings
    https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-women-leggings-dress-code/25434051.html

    Skin-tight leggings popular among Iranian women have sparked an uproar in the Islamic republic's parliament, where the interior minister was dressed down over the female population's fashion choices.
     
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/25614291609090592/
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/511158626435375943/

    During the most severe years of the early Iranian revolution, upper class women apparently rebelled, and tried to stay cool by wearing next to nothing under the full hijab.

    Knew several Iranian girls in college back in the early eighties who made lots of money sending sexy lingerie back home to their girlfriends.
  18. TTSSYF says:
    @Anonymous
    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female 'invisibility' in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    I’m especially amused at the hijab-wearing women I see on occasion at the mall or grocery store who are wearing loads of eye make-up.

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    • Replies: @LKM
    This, is quite common among younger wearers in Canada. My guess would be that all hetero women want to express their femininity to some extent, but these girls wear hijab out of deference to older relatives. So plenty of eyeliner/precision-groomed eyebrows is the best they can get away with.
  19. TTSSYF says:
    @Thomm

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don’t even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country,
     
    If you actually understood how women think, the feminist support for Islam would be no mystery at all.

    Islam is quite compatible with many aspects of feminism.

    Well, I know how this woman thinks. I find it infuriating, and also frightening for what it portends for this country. If you notice, you will see that they never let an infidel catch their eye. Of course it appears that they are assimilating here in American far better than in Europe, but that’s only because they haven’t reached a critical mass. We are inviting our own destruction, with too many fools cheering it on.

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  20. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    some ordinary white girl from New York City
     
    She brings up an interesting demographic question.

    What percentage of girls from New York City (not transplants) are ordinary white g(oy)irls from Manhattan? From the other four boroughs combined?

    The desired NYC Millennial female form is layabout, slutty, fat, drunk and drugged with a shrink and a trust fund from (preferably Jewish, for extra privilege points and to not have to carry the “ordinary” label)) Uptown Mommy and Daddy.

    Think “Girls”, as opposed to Sex In The City. The behaviors and dramas are the same, but the deliberate cultivation of an ugly-and-obese appearance and unsuccessful and unaccomplished life is apparently desirable to the Millennial chicks of Girls. The sluts of Sex In The City were a comparatively classy group of broads.

    These shows were trendsetters because women copy each other starting off with slutty behavior. Tatts, piercings, Blue hair, obesity were natural follow-ons. If you can name it, chicks copy it. The other common thread is attention-seeking. When defacement of the body is all routine and produces no particular attention now that all women are defaced, women will seek something else. Hence, White Jewish chicks in Muslim gear, all just a fashion statement, of course. They ARE toying with a rather iffy proposition. Having won the Matriarchy to now invite in and embrace a brutal and truly oppressive Islamic Patriarchy is counter-intuitive, especially for Jewess chicks. Why now?

    Me, a downtrodden White guy (not really downtrodden, but for the discussion), why should I oppose Islam? Under the New Caliphate, I get my privilege, my trailer and my guns back, something begrudged me by third-wave feminism. I’m supposed to defend feminism from Islam? I gave up that argument twenty years back. Besides, when all women are in Burquas, I’ll still be able to tell which are fat, which are thin. There are so many who are obese now, better they cover up.

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  21. @Seamus Padraig

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking. Even if the woman is not particularly attractive, if she's in hijab, people are much more likely to look at her.

    Once all women (per fashion, or by the edict of the Caliphate) are covered, it won’t be attention-drawing anymore. At that point, women are going to have to find something else to draw attention. If covered by Muslim edict, they aren’t going to be ALLOWED to uncover in public.

    And THEN they will be in a world of shit. See: Norway, Sweden, larges swatches of Germany and London, where the cops tell the women to cover up, travel with an uncle, or stay off the streets altogether to avoid the insults by Muslim men.

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  22. @Veracitor
    She's an attention whore. She found a way to get attention.

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.

    Maybe, if she wanted to endure 40-100 lashes on the back. There is a real, authentic and violent-toward-women Patriarchy in Saudi and Iran, Afghanistan, Africa, Paki-Whacky. Whippings, beatings, men hold all the jobs and women are in servitude to their men, at home, with 7 children.

    This is why I’m amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    "This is why I’m amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here."

    There's no contradiction here. Deep down, women want to be dominated by men, and feminists are no exception.
    It's a selective process: women won't submit to just any man, so they make it as hard as possible for their suitors to "tame" them. For an excellent illustration, see Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew.
    Only the most virile, agressive and determined man will be able to obliterate their shield. Feminism is just a quest for the best sperm available, from the men who will ignore, ridicule and ban their very feminist world-view and behavior.
    Western men are failing the test, so Western women, including feminists, will surrender to any kind of foreigner who will defeat and "rape" them ("Rape" as in the Rape of the Sabines, or the Rape of the Lock) and take them as their wives.
    It's human nature. Women select the fittest men. That is, those who will ignore their infantile feminist babble, their silly whims and their snares, the men bold and smart enough to see right through their BS, who will take them forcefully and impregnate them, then make them stay at home and raise their kids.

  23. @Verymuchalive
    " the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time."
    Muslims, by and large, have allied themselves with leftist parties. The latter are delighted because it ties in with their policy of increasing the number of 3rd World Immigrants/Welfare Class, who will vote for the Left in perpetuity, or so they think.
    Muslims know that once their numbers become large enough, they will break away and form their own Islamic parties.
    Few noticed that in this year's Dutch Elections, 2 former Labour MPs stood for a new Turkish Islamic party. They won 2 seats in the new Parliaments. I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.
    The monster is already out the cage.

    The monster is already out the cage.

    Indeed. They breed like rats, too. However, as a Christian male, White, flat OUT of privilege in my own country, the US, why should *I* resist Islam? Under Islam, I get my male privilege back and more authority over women than even my old Daddy and Grand Daddy EVER had over their women. The White men of Europe seem to be knuckling under for the most part, I see no White Knighting, the feminist women are subject to enormous insult and hassle and especially, rape, where Muslims gather. Maybe British White Christian men figured, screw it, they get their privilege back. Modern feminists hurled so much insult at White Men the past fifty years, maybe it’s a White-Man’s trend to say, to Hell with them?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You don't have to do anything. If you think Islam is a wise path to take and judge the Middle East to be a swell place, you can stop all this resisting and live your Islamic dream today. No, seriously, why waste your time wallowing in self-pity in any Islam-related post you come across, constantly bemoaning the sad fact of not having been born a Muslim? It ain't brain surgery, Jim... Spit out those seven simple words and get the whining over with.
  24. @Brabantian
    One thing I've learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of 'hijab porn' that is popular amongst Islamic boys ... girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a 'normal' teen-ager ... Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression ... You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt ... Hijab sexy-style like this
    https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_WeIxeSnsqm19SkdUBcVNueTUrWKlZE70.jpg

    Oh sure, that’s going to earn 200 lashes if it turns up in Mecca.

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  25. njguy73 says:
    @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    Whenever I make that point, lefties always respond, “Oh, well, that’s typical right-wing racism.” In fact, it ought to be the Left’s issue. I’m a “social conservative.” When the mullahs take over, I’ll grow my beard a little fuller, get a couple extra wives, and keep my head down. It’s the feminists and gays who’ll have a tougher time. If, say, three of the five judges on the Massachusetts Supreme Court are Muslim, what are the chances of them approving “gay marriage”? – Mark Steyn, America Alone, 2006

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  26. Jake says:
    @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    Mohamedans will NOT kill all the feminists. They will make the better looking ones concubines and do them any time they want, any way they want.

    The real Haven Monaghans are Moslem.

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  27. BB753 says:
    @Thomas
    "Sarsour was married in an arranged marriage at the age of 17 and had three children by her mid-20s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    She should give herself some credit. That's much more productive than your average mid-20s ordinary white girl from New York City.

    That’s why we’re losing the demographic battle. We have women in their prime reproductive age in college or fooling around until well past 30 years old.

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  28. Anonym says:

    The beauty of flight from white is that you end up left with everyone you’d want to share a foxhole with. All the lily livered, backstabbing bastards have already hightailed it out of there.

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  29. @G Pinfold
    Not sure why anyone would think she is White. Not even close.

    Are you serious? She’s not Nordic, but otherwise she’s quite unremarkable Mediterranean white. Unsurprisingly, since she’s Mediterranean. Most Palestinians are swarthier.

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    She’s not Nordic, but otherwise she’s quite unremarkable Mediterranean white.

     

    She isn't remotely white looking. Which is to say European or American white looking. Nobody would mistake her for a white girl. She only refers to herself as an "ordinary white girl" because that's a statement of contempt for whites, and for the thing she no longer is. Because hijab. It's just a con game. Being anti-white raises your media value dramatically these days.

    If Taylor Swift put on a hijab, she'd still be a white girl, and everyone would know it. Sarsour was never white, never felt white, was never seen as white, never for one split second considered herself white. It's all a lie. Why do people feel it necessary to project even the tiniest bit of sincerity upon such people? She's a con artist from the word go.
    , @German_reader
    Muslims can't be white, it's not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.
    , @attilathehen
    She's a fair-skinned Arab Palestinian Muslim. She could be classified as Caucasoid but many Palestinian Muslims have black ancestry so her extended family will have blacks in it. She's playing the "white card" to make her seem more acceptable in the USA. She reminds me of Jews who play the same card. Both types will be anti-Western and cannot be in the West.
  30. @Brabantian
    One thing I've learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of 'hijab porn' that is popular amongst Islamic boys ... girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a 'normal' teen-ager ... Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression ... You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt ... Hijab sexy-style like this
    https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_WeIxeSnsqm19SkdUBcVNueTUrWKlZE70.jpg

    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn’t have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don’t feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran’s generational demographics are dynamite–in the West they blew up the place–but Iran’s clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

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    Yeah, one of the weird things in this modern world: much of the developing world, including some quite socially conservative cultures (India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Bangladesh), have gotten their birthrates under control. Demographic momentum is still coming in places like South Asia, of course, but nevertheless, the reduction is beginning to get baked into population dynamics. 50 years ago, no one would have dreamed that so much of the developing world would successfully shrink birth rates. Half a century ago, it was the case that Brazilian and South Korean women had 6 kids regularly-and now, Pakistan has eclipsed Brazil in terms of population and South Korea, like Japan, is facing a shrinking populace. Even Saudi Arabia is down to 2.8. And if you look at the Ionic, Kemalist parts of Turkey, in the western part of the country, birth rates are on par with Europe's. As Mr. Derbyshire mentioned, Erdogan's political success can aptly be seen as the demographic revenge of the Anatolian rubes who they despise.

    But the outliers (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Philippines, sub-Saharan Africa) have gotten far worse to make up for it. Sort of like how contrary to JFK's expectations, we only have 9 nuclear powers instead of dozens, but the rogue states who either got them or still want them-and non-state networks-are the last people you want having them.

    More to your question: Iran already had its version of the Cultural Revolution in the 1980s. Much like the Chinese lay public, they aren't keen on redoing it, and the mullahs know it, whatever their own inclinations. It would at any rate distract from the old-time Persian geopolitical goal of becoming the local regional hegemon, which the mullahs are pursuing like any Safavid or Pahlavi would.

    Another interesting case is Vietnam, with 2/3rds of the nation being born after 1975. I'm guessing that the famine and near collapsed state of the 1980s, combined with a well-justified distrust of China, turned them off the idea of a Cultural Revolution. Right now, Vietnam is experiencing *way* too much hothouse growth to be anything other than happy capitalists.

    , @Lot
    We stoke Iranian nationalism just enough to keep its government in power.

    Treating it normally in retrospect might have been better. I am not blaming people for being wrong, just offering hindsight.

    , @AndrewR
    I don't know how old you are but, given how well-read you seem, I'm surprised you don't remember the 2009 Green Movement. The Iranian government shut it down. And as you alluded to, Iran is becoming degenerate enough that a lot of young Persians have little interest in revolution.
    , @guest
    "youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s"

    Maybe that wasn't really youth-driven? I mean, if a kid acts out when he wants a cookie, and his parent gives in, is his cookie-eating youth-driven? Or is it driven by permissive parenting. Now think of the way University employees reacted to campus uprisings.

    Then ask who put the idea of cookie-eating in the kid's head. Obviously, cookies naturally taste good to kids, but so do many treats. Why cookies, in particular? Because those happen to be on the house? Or because Madison Avenue?

    The 60s youth in revolt worshipped the movies, music, and ephemera of mass culture. And though they tried desperately to differentiate between corporate rock and meaningful rock, come on. From this distance, who cares?
    , @Corvinus
    "But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn’t have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s."

    Today's Iranian youth are haijib-deep in cultural revolution, from wearing western styled clothes to racing the Tehranian streets in their Porsches and smoking their Camel cigs. Modesty and unpretentiousness?" Surely you jest. "Ahanparasti" literally means "worshipping iron"--a phrase used to describe youth whose only consideration for prospective future spouses is their model of car and expensive personal accessories. Cohabiting couples, known as "white marriage", has markedly increase despite fierce opposition by Muslim clerics. Apparently, the State has told Iranians what they cannot do, but not what they should.

    Classic Western spoiling of a traditional culture. What a shame.
    , @Bumbling American
    Perhaps you missed the memo about how Iran is the last redoubt of Logos, BIGOT
  31. Always the fashionable hijab when promoting Muslim immigration. Never do the poster artists feature Muslim men or a brood of children.

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  32. When I wasn’t wearing hijab

    How long before the expression “wearing hijab” (as opposed to “wearing a hijab”) becomes the new signal of cultural sensitivity/woke-ness?

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    • Replies: @guest
    "becomes the new signal of..."

    The term you're looking for is "shibboleth."
    , @El Dato
    I think this happened at the latest back when Shepard Fairey did his "American Hijab" poster?

    Personally, I like women's hairstyle more like this:

    http://www.impawards.com/1999/messenger_the_story_of_joan_of_arc.html

    Is there a word for dropping the particle so that the performance of an activity becomes the practice of a counter-cultural lifestyle element?

    "You gotta punch deck!"
  33. AM says:

    Iran’s generational demographics are dynamite–in the West they blew up the place–but Iran’s clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    Given the birth rates, it sounds like nihilism has set in to Iran. Ultimately, Islam is a political system, not really a religion. In many ways, it’s “God wills it” materialism is more like what would happen if you reintroduced God to a purely atheistic worldview. It’s quite possible video games, drugs, and porn are all having about the same effects as here.

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  34. @Brabantian
    One thing I've learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of 'hijab porn' that is popular amongst Islamic boys ... girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a 'normal' teen-ager ... Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression ... You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt ... Hijab sexy-style like this
    https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_WeIxeSnsqm19SkdUBcVNueTUrWKlZE70.jpg

    Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression …

    No, no, and no. It’s not our job to save Muslim women from oppression (which usually comes from other women, e.g. mother-in-laws demanding that their daughter-in-laws wear the hijab or else…), seeing a lot of hijabs is quite a bit of a red pill (so it would do a disservice to the alt-right if our traitor ruling class would actually ban hijabs), and then, how would it be enforced? You’d see sob stories in the media about the poor innocent Muslim woman who was heavily fined simply for practicing her religion but has no money…

    You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Actually, in Islam, even men have to be dressed modestly, for example the knees and shoulders (and everything in between) have to be covered even for men. This means that it’s not just that Islam forces women to dress up more tightly in the summer (or on the beach), but also that their men often don’t even follow the laxer rules set for them. Among the refugees for example the women always wore full hijabs etc., while the men usually wore shorts: the latter is supposed to be haram. (There are I think some liberal Islamic scholars who argue that it’s actually enough to dress “modestly” by the standards of the society they find themselves in, e.g. on a beach in Italy not to wear bikinis but instead a normal swimming dress, etc. But then why are the women dressing stricter than that? It’s a double standard, however you look at it, even by Islam’s own already skewed standards.)

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    Iran also felt that men's haircut styles needed to be "standardized" to a few Mullah-approved types.
  35. peterike says:
    @reiner Tor
    Are you serious? She's not Nordic, but otherwise she's quite unremarkable Mediterranean white. Unsurprisingly, since she's Mediterranean. Most Palestinians are swarthier.

    She’s not Nordic, but otherwise she’s quite unremarkable Mediterranean white.

    She isn’t remotely white looking. Which is to say European or American white looking. Nobody would mistake her for a white girl. She only refers to herself as an “ordinary white girl” because that’s a statement of contempt for whites, and for the thing she no longer is. Because hijab. It’s just a con game. Being anti-white raises your media value dramatically these days.

    If Taylor Swift put on a hijab, she’d still be a white girl, and everyone would know it. Sarsour was never white, never felt white, was never seen as white, never for one split second considered herself white. It’s all a lie. Why do people feel it necessary to project even the tiniest bit of sincerity upon such people? She’s a con artist from the word go.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I take "not even remotely" as strong hyperbole. Have you guys never seen Mediterranean women?
    , @S. Anonyia
    Taylor Swift is one of the most Nordic looking celebrities though. You don't have to be Taylor Swift or Jennifer Lawrence level all-American to be white. This is a bad example. Catherine Zeta Jones and Gemma Arterton are extremely white, British women but nobody would question them being MENA if they were unknowns wearing hijab. Not all Arabs are white, many are obviously mixed with Africans or South Asians, but Sarsour is extremely pale and has Greek/Balkan looking features. She's probably a close approximation of what Arabs looked like before they became more racially mixed during the Middle Ages.
  36. @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    She’s a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    Read her entire wiki!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    In September 2017 Sarsour was listed in the Politico 50 annual list for emerging “as the face of the resistance to Donald Trump”.[59]

    Sarsour has a lot of money, support and connections behind her, from a wide array of sources, Islamist, JEWISH!!!!, and I mean not just Soros, Globalist, Feminist, Cultural Marxist Media, Antifa, BLM….

    In particular the message seems to be from Ultra-Zionist Jewish-Americans “Hey look America at how this brave young Palestinian immigrant is contributing to the country’s diversity. What a shame we can not relocate the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip Palestinian population to America”.

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  37. Barnard says:
    @Brabantian
    One thing I've learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of 'hijab porn' that is popular amongst Islamic boys ... girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a 'normal' teen-ager ... Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression ... You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt ... Hijab sexy-style like this
    https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_WeIxeSnsqm19SkdUBcVNueTUrWKlZE70.jpg

    there is a category of ‘hijab porn’ that is popular amongst Islamic boys … girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks,

    How bizarre. I’m surprised the Islamic hardliners haven’t been making statements against this. Unless this is considered acceptable somehow.

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  38. @Brabantian
    One thing I've learned from being on public transport with Muslim youth, is that there is a category of 'hijab porn' that is popular amongst Islamic boys ... girls with a hijab / face veil, but wearing little else except perhaps a pair of socks, viewed on smart-phones on the metro, the boys inviting me to nod approval over some Muslim undressed beauty

    Many Muslim families allow their pre-pubescent girls to show their hair, & one sees visible sadness in girls of puberty age about to be forcibly deprived of their right to be a 'normal' teen-ager ... Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression ... You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt ... Hijab sexy-style like this
    https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_WeIxeSnsqm19SkdUBcVNueTUrWKlZE70.jpg

    Another funny thing is Muslim hijab girls with knock-me-down high heels, & super-tight or even semi-sheer harem pants or other trousers or an ultra-tight revealing skirt … Hijab sexy-style like this

    This is very much an Iranian thing.

    Iranian Official Dressed Down Over Revealing Women’s Leggings

    https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-women-leggings-dress-code/25434051.html

    Skin-tight leggings popular among Iranian women have sparked an uproar in the Islamic republic’s parliament, where the interior minister was dressed down over the female population’s fashion choices.

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/25614291609090592/

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/511158626435375943/

    During the most severe years of the early Iranian revolution, upper class women apparently rebelled, and tried to stay cool by wearing next to nothing under the full hijab.

    Knew several Iranian girls in college back in the early eighties who made lots of money sending sexy lingerie back home to their girlfriends.

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  39. jim jones says:
    @Verymuchalive
    I've had that impulse myself, but I would counsel against it, Dr Jim.
    The University would not only sack you, but probably try to take away your degrees as well. Antifas would be demanding, " No Degrees for Haters. No Education for Haters."

    I suspect that most of us come here to Unz to blow of a little steam and reduce the internal pressure.

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  40. nebulafox says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    Yeah, one of the weird things in this modern world: much of the developing world, including some quite socially conservative cultures (India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Bangladesh), have gotten their birthrates under control. Demographic momentum is still coming in places like South Asia, of course, but nevertheless, the reduction is beginning to get baked into population dynamics. 50 years ago, no one would have dreamed that so much of the developing world would successfully shrink birth rates. Half a century ago, it was the case that Brazilian and South Korean women had 6 kids regularly-and now, Pakistan has eclipsed Brazil in terms of population and South Korea, like Japan, is facing a shrinking populace. Even Saudi Arabia is down to 2.8. And if you look at the Ionic, Kemalist parts of Turkey, in the western part of the country, birth rates are on par with Europe’s. As Mr. Derbyshire mentioned, Erdogan’s political success can aptly be seen as the demographic revenge of the Anatolian rubes who they despise.

    But the outliers (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Philippines, sub-Saharan Africa) have gotten far worse to make up for it. Sort of like how contrary to JFK’s expectations, we only have 9 nuclear powers instead of dozens, but the rogue states who either got them or still want them-and non-state networks-are the last people you want having them.

    More to your question: Iran already had its version of the Cultural Revolution in the 1980s. Much like the Chinese lay public, they aren’t keen on redoing it, and the mullahs know it, whatever their own inclinations. It would at any rate distract from the old-time Persian geopolitical goal of becoming the local regional hegemon, which the mullahs are pursuing like any Safavid or Pahlavi would.

    Another interesting case is Vietnam, with 2/3rds of the nation being born after 1975. I’m guessing that the famine and near collapsed state of the 1980s, combined with a well-justified distrust of China, turned them off the idea of a Cultural Revolution. Right now, Vietnam is experiencing *way* too much hothouse growth to be anything other than happy capitalists.

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  41. It’s a shame that the white man forgot who crossed over the oceans with him facing the same perils.
    It’s too bad the white man forgot who accompanied him over the plains as the young man went west, facing the same perils.
    It’s an utter humiliation that the white man forgot who also plowed the fields, cooked the food, raised his kids and on occasion when needed even kicked his ass.
    Now you have them to put on a pedestal to show the world just how you’re not an islamphobe, homophobe, sexist, rayciss, and you’ll yell from every comment.
    Should have stuck by us rather than stab us in the back.
    And I still don’t like the donald.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    What the Hell does any if this stuff mean? Is your idea that white men betrayed white women? If so, are you dyslexic?
  42. Lot says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    We stoke Iranian nationalism just enough to keep its government in power.

    Treating it normally in retrospect might have been better. I am not blaming people for being wrong, just offering hindsight.

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    My first real political thought that I had was when I was 11 and the Iranian Revolution was happing, the thought being: "So what"? Still believe it.
  43. CCR says:

    Um, Linda Sarsour isn’t white. Caucasian, yes.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Thanks for competing for the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter now that Jefferson seems to have taken leave from us.

    If you saw Sarsour walking in American clothes and no hijab, I doubt you'd think this is a "non-white Caucasian."

  44. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Huh, she calls herself a “white girl”? She doesn’t look very white to me; semi-white, off-white, mystery meat, etc are more appropriate. ‘White’ is just slang for ‘of European descent’. Palestine is not in Europe but is in the Near East. Close but no cigar.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    She could easily pass for a native of Italy, Serbia, Greece, etc, all of which are in Europe FYI. Or are you going to try to move the goalposts like I think you will?

    "White person = [almost] wholly of European descent" is a useful rule of thumb, and many people seem to religiously believe it, but reality has a known nuanced bias. If Sarsour isn't white then a very large number of ethnic Europeans aren't.

    , @biz
    Her skin color is about as pale as it gets. What other definition of white is there?
  45. That video is a trap, isn’t it? I’m pretty sure a Voxplanation of hijabs will actually make me dumber for having watched it.

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  46. Whiskey says: • Website

    Sarsour demonstrates it us a flight from beta White males. Nearly every White man was like John Cena she would wear bikinis. No end to the ways in which White women are the enemy of the beta White male.

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  47. Tiny Duck says:

    If Islam is so bad how come so many people are converting?

    You guys make no sense

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  48. @Thomm

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don’t even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country,
     
    If you actually understood how women think, the feminist support for Islam would be no mystery at all.

    Islam is quite compatible with many aspects of feminism.

    Practically nothing about feminism is compatible with the US constitution.

    Feminism is hysteria exuded by women and other diversity freaks that neurotically agitate for more illicit federal entitlements for women.

    Feminism might be somewhat compatible with the US constitution if it were implemented at the state and local level, but feminist are intrinsically totalitarian so they naturally seek a more control-freak style government.

    Feminism is compatible with Islam because both ideologies are totalitarian, anti-limited government, anti-occidental, anti-liberal, anti-Christian, and in favor of special federal rights for special people.

    Also like Feminism, Muslims are also a whiny victim cult that claims to be oppressed by the same designated enemy of PC, the straight white male Christian.

    Here’s a listing of some illicit federal entitlements currently enjoyed by feminist:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get frequently screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on Demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminist gender studies, speech codes, micro aggression nonsense, and rape hysteria institutionalized in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Federal sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Federal Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen, firemen, soldier, and professional sports
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech crime laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Feminist majority interoperate with federal diversity schemers
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote feminist entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women
    34. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    35. 98% of homeless are men
    36. Females often receive a slap on wrist for abusing children, men instead receive harsh sentences.

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  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Wiki lists her as a (Palestinian-American) “political activist.”

    Meaning that she is a practitioner/purveyor of garden-variety agitprop.

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  50. @reiner Tor
    Are you serious? She's not Nordic, but otherwise she's quite unremarkable Mediterranean white. Unsurprisingly, since she's Mediterranean. Most Palestinians are swarthier.

    Muslims can’t be white, it’s not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I realize English isn't your first language, but you'll notice that Sarsour said "when I didn't wear the hijab I was just another white girl." In other words, when she did not wear explicit signals of identifying with an alien civilization, people viewed her as they would any view anyone else perceived to be an American, non-Muslim white girl. Hope that helps.
    , @reiner Tor
    Well, not in a political sense, but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities. Even Hungarian. She does look white.
    , @anonymous
    I notice some of these commenters here emphasize her relatively light skin as qualifying her as being "white" because she looks that way and can pass. Looking like something and being able to pass for it is different from actually being it. Some east Asians stay out of the sun are are quite pale. Maybe they're white also. Or if skin shade is the only factor then an African albino is also "white".
    , @Frau Katze
    I get that impression too. It applies to Balkans and Caucasus Muslims (irony?).

    Check out Ramzan Kadyrov. He doesn't even have black hair.

    For that matter, Assad of Syria has blue eyes. Erdogan of Turkey could easily pass as even a northern European.

    But object to such Muslims immigrating and you're a racist.
  51. “Well, Linda herself has a good insight into why she’s now the face of pro-Islam feminism”

    Because Hanan Ashwari is past it and has dropped off the radar. Also, Linda sounds more American and non-threatening.

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    • Replies: @bigman
    "Because Hanan Ashwari is past it and has dropped off the radar. Also, Linda sounds more American and non-threatening."

    Ashwari is Christian, no?
  52. Perplexed says:
    @Thomas
    "Sarsour was married in an arranged marriage at the age of 17 and had three children by her mid-20s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    She should give herself some credit. That's much more productive than your average mid-20s ordinary white girl from New York City.

    Is she cut? How much? I wish someone would ask her in public.

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  53. BenKenobi says:
    @helena
    Maybe originally, in some societies.
    Nowadays the hijab is also adopted by women wishing to publically identify as Islam-in-the-West, also as a sort of neo-feminist symbol; and by converts who are just trying to find themselves.
    But importantly, the powers behind Islam recognise that the hijab-in-the-west plays a very useful role of confusing western governments and disorientating post-christian europeans. The head scarf is at one and the same time is simply freedom to dress how we choose and, an entirely integral civilisation.
    Since the religion does not partition itself into different forms, the co-existence of different degrees of adherence enables the orthodox to advance on the basis that 'not all Muslims are extreme and we mustn't stereotype an entire group of people'.
    This is a very clever strategy that could be challenged by arguing the 'relationship between the hijab and the western concept of public space'. But western politicians do not understand the true developmental nature of public space. So relativism wins again. Relativism for the masses, one world government for the few. But will it be Arab, Chinese, Jewish or Russian?

    There’s also a deliberate “linguistic otherness” in the way they talk about it.

    They never say “a hijab” or “the hijab.” It’s right there in the text Steve boxquoted:

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.

    So it immediately registers as alien both to your eyes and ears.

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  54. SteveM says:
    @Anonymous
    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female 'invisibility' in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    I’ve thought the same thing when I see many young Islamic women wearing hijabs supposedly for modesty but also wearing heavy makeup as a contradictory “look at me.”

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  55. @Anonymous
    A tad contradictory, methinks.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female 'invisibility' in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.

    No, the whole point of the burqa is to keep oversexed Middle Eastern men in line, because they are assumed to have no self-control where it comes to female flesh.

    Where they might get that idea, I don’t know…

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    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    oversexed Middle Eastern men

     

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???

    Comes with the territories where polygamy along with 1st & 2nd cousin & Uncle/Niece arranged marriages are common.

    I don't about you but I have some lovely cousins and nieces but none I could even remotely imagine being intimate with. It must take some special genetics and a complete lack of alternatives to allow that to happen.

    Lots of sexually unsatisfied men who if they are going to pass on their genes must either rape or get some while the husband or other men of the family whose duty is to protect the female's honor are not around.

    Now allow that sort of nurture to influence nature for a few thousand years.

    There is a reason after all that US troops deployed to Middle East and Afghanistan refer to the locals as "goatf***ers"

    15 Moroccan Teens Treated For Rabies After Having Sex With Donkey

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/19987/15-moroccan-teens-treated-rabies-after-having-sex-joseph-curl

    Fifteen teenagers in Morocco who sexually assaulted a donkey in the small town of Sidi Kamel have been treated for rabies they contracted from the beast of burden.
     
    Also this Youtube classic.

    Afghan Mujahideen Take Turns F***ing A Goat
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmkveCXQ0EE
  56. Do we really want someone with the name Linda Sarsour anyway?

    Let’s hope she’s welcomed by her new race, whatever it may be.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {....with the name Linda Sarsour....}

    'Sarsour' in Arabic means cockroach.
    Ironic name for a Palestinian/Arab.
  57. 3g4me says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking. Even if the woman is not particularly attractive, if she's in hijab, people are much more likely to look at her.

    @11 Seamus Padraig: “But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking.”

    Particularly since so many of the magic-dirt variety Mohammedans (i.e. 1st and 2nd generation putative “American-born”) wear brightly colored hijabs adorned with various sorts of bangles, bobbles, spangles and bling designed precisely to draw one’s eye, and combine them with tight fitting jeans (because they’re all American of course). The entire point of wearing any form of hijab in a Western nation is to draw attention of difference (I’m a special snowflake and not one of the native mob) and implied superiority (I can’t be challenged because racism/islamophobia, and we’re here, we’re increasing our presence, and you can’t do or say anything about it). This goes double for those who wear the head-to-toe black shroud along with black gloves and sunglasses – and yes, I’ve seen a number of those here in Texas’ 100 degree summer heat.

    In short, typical passive-aggressive female and/or third-world behavior.

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    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    Don't believe it. No woman covers her hair unless she's either forced to or has a deep belief in its inherent righteousness.
  58. Avery says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Do we really want someone with the name Linda Sarsour anyway?

    Let's hope she's welcomed by her new race, whatever it may be.

    {….with the name Linda Sarsour….}

    ‘Sarsour’ in Arabic means cockroach.
    Ironic name for a Palestinian/Arab.

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  59. @Reg Cæsar

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    No, the whole point of the burqa is to keep oversexed Middle Eastern men in line, because they are assumed to have no self-control where it comes to female flesh.

    Where they might get that idea, I don't know...

    oversexed Middle Eastern men

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???

    Comes with the territories where polygamy along with 1st & 2nd cousin & Uncle/Niece arranged marriages are common.

    I don’t about you but I have some lovely cousins and nieces but none I could even remotely imagine being intimate with. It must take some special genetics and a complete lack of alternatives to allow that to happen.

    Lots of sexually unsatisfied men who if they are going to pass on their genes must either rape or get some while the husband or other men of the family whose duty is to protect the female’s honor are not around.

    Now allow that sort of nurture to influence nature for a few thousand years.

    There is a reason after all that US troops deployed to Middle East and Afghanistan refer to the locals as “goatf***ers”

    15 Moroccan Teens Treated For Rabies After Having Sex With Donkey

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/19987/15-moroccan-teens-treated-rabies-after-having-sex-joseph-curl

    Fifteen teenagers in Morocco who sexually assaulted a donkey in the small town of Sidi Kamel have been treated for rabies they contracted from the beast of burden.

    Also this Youtube classic.

    Afghan Mujahideen Take Turns F***ing A Goat

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???
     
    "Oversexed" refers to innate desire, not to the opportunities available to fulfill that desire. It's about the wiring. You're confusing it with "overfed".
  60. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous
    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to outwardly display as much beauty, flesh and hair as possible - just look at that mirror of the world which is the Daily Mail sidebar.
    Therefore, all Sarsour is doing is imposing patriarchy.

    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to

    draw attention to themselves, including by making a spectacle of themselves. The hijab does the trick.

    Exhibit no. 1 are the testimonials in the embedded video.

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  61. eah says:

    “shittiest supremacy ever”

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  62. Forbes says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    some ordinary white girl from New York City
     
    She brings up an interesting demographic question.

    What percentage of girls from New York City (not transplants) are ordinary white g(oy)irls from Manhattan? From the other four boroughs combined?

    The white public school population is ~16% in NYC. Should be a good proxy. White school girls would be ~8%. White women of maternal age might also be 16%. White non-Hispanic population is ~35%.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    This is a worthless response. Jews are generally counted as white and your comment makes no note of the goy/Jew distinction, nor does it provide a link. Jenner wants to know how many white shiksas there are in Manhattan and NYC.
  63. I only heard of the name the other day on Fash the Nation, Linda Sarsour tried to cash in on hurricane Harvey donations. Linda Sarsour told people that they were donating to help Harvey victims but in reality the money was just going to the same old tired “left wing” hate groups. When called out on this she declared that her critics were White Supremacy ™.

    Even for a muslim, ripping off people trying to help hurricane victims is some serious scumbag behavior.

    Deport her to an ISIS stronghold.

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  64. hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous
    The natural tendency of normal, attractive, slim, young women is to outwardly display as much beauty, flesh and hair as possible - just look at that mirror of the world which is the Daily Mail sidebar.
    Therefore, all Sarsour is doing is imposing patriarchy.

    I have to admit, although it sounds cliche, but there are a lot of hijab wearing women in NYC these days, especially coeds near Hunter College where I live, and most look fairly homely, maybe a couple of exceptions that look average. My niece wrote a pro-hijab bit from a fashionista/feminist sense and I didn’t have the heart to point out the obvious contradictions.

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  65. hhsiii says:
    @Veracitor
    She's an attention whore. She found a way to get attention.

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.

    Spot on

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  66. Kylie says:
    @Rod1963
    She's a Muslim fanatic now and pimping for the Ummah. For some odd reason the koran holds a attraction for literal minded and the mentally unhinged. Could be all those exhortations to violence in the name allah.

    That said, she's a big player in the feminist movement as well. They really don't care that she's now a flag bearer for Shariah law and FGM. IOW Islamic laws that sanction the murder of women who step out of line and cuts out their clitorus.

    Feminists are so blinded by hate of the West they don't even realize they are welcoming in a group that if they seize power will kill every feminist in this country, along with gays, trannies, emo's, atheists and Jews. That's what happened in Iraq when we installed Maliki who was a puppet of Iran's Mullahs and instituted full blow Shariah law and his people went on a murder spree killing anyone who wasn't a hardline Shia.

    That's the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.

    “That’s the downside of politics based on hatred of everything Western. It blinds them to the fact the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time.”

    The downside for them, certainly. I’m not seeing the downside in that for us.

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  67. @Lot
    We stoke Iranian nationalism just enough to keep its government in power.

    Treating it normally in retrospect might have been better. I am not blaming people for being wrong, just offering hindsight.

    My first real political thought that I had was when I was 11 and the Iranian Revolution was happing, the thought being: “So what”? Still believe it.

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  68. I was just some ordinary white boy from Connecticut until the media announced that my polo shirts make me a fascist.

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    • Replies: @Altai

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe0UiwI8AgE
  69. OT. Long NYT article on “are many of our fellow citizens Nazis” raises, then avoids answering, its own question. How many parts-per-million Nazi is the American population? Are there more words in the article than Nazi-Americans?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/magazine/americans-are-confronting-an-alarming-question-are-many-of-our-fellow-citizens-nazis.html

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    Article is written by Sasha Chapin, resident of Toronto:

    Sasha Chapin is a writer living in Toronto. His writing has previously appeared nowhere. Now it can also be found in Vice and the National Post.

    Lots of lefty-cultural articles at his site:

    http://hazlitt.net/authors/sasha-chapin

    Great qualifications for calculating "How many parts-per-million Nazi is the American population?"
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Time for more struggle sessions.
  70. @reiner Tor
    Are you serious? She's not Nordic, but otherwise she's quite unremarkable Mediterranean white. Unsurprisingly, since she's Mediterranean. Most Palestinians are swarthier.

    She’s a fair-skinned Arab Palestinian Muslim. She could be classified as Caucasoid but many Palestinian Muslims have black ancestry so her extended family will have blacks in it. She’s playing the “white card” to make her seem more acceptable in the USA. She reminds me of Jews who play the same card. Both types will be anti-Western and cannot be in the West.

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    • Replies: @biz

    She’s playing the “white card” to make her seem more acceptable in the USA.
     
    Precisely the opposite. She is playing the non-white card in order to have intersectional cred.
    , @RobertTS
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb has been posting a lot of late as to how coastal Syrians and northern Lebanese may have had a substantial Indo-European genetic component (the Phoenicians may have been a Semitic ruling class ruling over a non-Sem population who would adopt a Semitic language), whereas not only the Semitic component intesifies among West Bank Palestinians but more specifically so too does the Peninsular Arab element. Bedouin migration? Or the fact that Roman Judea/Palestine always bordered several frontier Arab tribes?
  71. AndrewR says:
    @G Pinfold
    Not sure why anyone would think she is White. Not even close.

    Not sure why you chose to write such a stupid comment, but here we are.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I'm not sure why you would write such a stupid comment, but here it is.
  72. AndrewR says:
    @Forbes
    The white public school population is ~16% in NYC. Should be a good proxy. White school girls would be ~8%. White women of maternal age might also be 16%. White non-Hispanic population is ~35%.

    This is a worthless response. Jews are generally counted as white and your comment makes no note of the goy/Jew distinction, nor does it provide a link. Jenner wants to know how many white shiksas there are in Manhattan and NYC.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    You got time to criticize my response--then look it up yourself. I responded with what is common knowledge for people living here. Your response is less than worthless.
  73. Altai says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I was just some ordinary white boy from Connecticut until the media announced that my polo shirts make me a fascist.

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.

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  74. AndrewR says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    - the whole point of the hijab, burka, what-have-you, is to create public female ‘invisibility’ in the sense that the physicality of the woman is occluded.
     
    But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking. Even if the woman is not particularly attractive, if she's in hijab, people are much more likely to look at her.

    Lol you mean “non-Islamic.”

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  75. Striking…she is the protagonist in her own little narrative/drama. I guess “ordinary” and “white” are synonymous and lack the star appeal her vapid soul and vacuous mind so desperately require.

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  76. AndrewR says:
    @German_reader
    Muslims can't be white, it's not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.

    I realize English isn’t your first language, but you’ll notice that Sarsour said “when I didn’t wear the hijab I was just another white girl.” In other words, when she did not wear explicit signals of identifying with an alien civilization, people viewed her as they would any view anyone else perceived to be an American, non-Muslim white girl. Hope that helps.

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  77. AndrewR says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    I don’t know how old you are but, given how well-read you seem, I’m surprised you don’t remember the 2009 Green Movement. The Iranian government shut it down. And as you alluded to, Iran is becoming degenerate enough that a lot of young Persians have little interest in revolution.

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  78. AndrewR says:
    @CCR
    Um, Linda Sarsour isn't white. Caucasian, yes.

    Thanks for competing for the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter now that Jefferson seems to have taken leave from us.

    If you saw Sarsour walking in American clothes and no hijab, I doubt you’d think this is a “non-white Caucasian.”

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If you saw Sarsour walking in American clothes and no hijab, I doubt you’d think this is a “non-white Caucasian.”
     
    No he would not. He would think "Damn that is an ugly woman, why doesn't she wear a hijab?"

    Thanks for competing for the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter now that Jefferson seems to have taken leave from us.
     
    WTF? I am the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter thank you very much.
  79. AndrewR says:
    @anonymous
    Huh, she calls herself a "white girl"? She doesn't look very white to me; semi-white, off-white, mystery meat, etc are more appropriate. 'White' is just slang for 'of European descent'. Palestine is not in Europe but is in the Near East. Close but no cigar.

    She could easily pass for a native of Italy, Serbia, Greece, etc, all of which are in Europe FYI. Or are you going to try to move the goalposts like I think you will?

    “White person = [almost] wholly of European descent” is a useful rule of thumb, and many people seem to religiously believe it, but reality has a known nuanced bias. If Sarsour isn’t white then a very large number of ethnic Europeans aren’t.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I've lived in Italy. This creature could not possibly be mistaken for an Italian by anyone who has.
  80. @Verymuchalive
    " the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time."
    Muslims, by and large, have allied themselves with leftist parties. The latter are delighted because it ties in with their policy of increasing the number of 3rd World Immigrants/Welfare Class, who will vote for the Left in perpetuity, or so they think.
    Muslims know that once their numbers become large enough, they will break away and form their own Islamic parties.
    Few noticed that in this year's Dutch Elections, 2 former Labour MPs stood for a new Turkish Islamic party. They won 2 seats in the new Parliaments. I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.
    The monster is already out the cage.

    “I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.”

    If Denk are Islamist wikipedia’s not blazoning it (although fancy living in a “tolerant society” where every expression of not being on board with mass immigration puts you on a “racism register”?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denk_(political_party)

    George Galloway’s Respect party won a single seat in two separate UK elections (since lost), but it wasn’t a specifically Islamist party, despite its support base being predominantly Muslim. If Britain had proportional representation like Holland I imagine they’d also have a “Denk”.

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  81. CCZ says:
    @academic gossip
    OT. Long NYT article on "are many of our fellow citizens Nazis" raises, then avoids answering, its own question. How many parts-per-million Nazi is the American population? Are there more words in the article than Nazi-Americans?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/magazine/americans-are-confronting-an-alarming-question-are-many-of-our-fellow-citizens-nazis.html

    Article is written by Sasha Chapin, resident of Toronto:

    Sasha Chapin is a writer living in Toronto. His writing has previously appeared nowhere. Now it can also be found in Vice and the National Post.

    Lots of lefty-cultural articles at his site:

    http://hazlitt.net/authors/sasha-chapin

    Great qualifications for calculating “How many parts-per-million Nazi is the American population?”

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  82. @academic gossip
    OT. Long NYT article on "are many of our fellow citizens Nazis" raises, then avoids answering, its own question. How many parts-per-million Nazi is the American population? Are there more words in the article than Nazi-Americans?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/magazine/americans-are-confronting-an-alarming-question-are-many-of-our-fellow-citizens-nazis.html

    Time for more struggle sessions.

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  83. biz says:
    @anonymous
    Huh, she calls herself a "white girl"? She doesn't look very white to me; semi-white, off-white, mystery meat, etc are more appropriate. 'White' is just slang for 'of European descent'. Palestine is not in Europe but is in the Near East. Close but no cigar.

    Her skin color is about as pale as it gets. What other definition of white is there?

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  84. @peterike

    She’s not Nordic, but otherwise she’s quite unremarkable Mediterranean white.

     

    She isn't remotely white looking. Which is to say European or American white looking. Nobody would mistake her for a white girl. She only refers to herself as an "ordinary white girl" because that's a statement of contempt for whites, and for the thing she no longer is. Because hijab. It's just a con game. Being anti-white raises your media value dramatically these days.

    If Taylor Swift put on a hijab, she'd still be a white girl, and everyone would know it. Sarsour was never white, never felt white, was never seen as white, never for one split second considered herself white. It's all a lie. Why do people feel it necessary to project even the tiniest bit of sincerity upon such people? She's a con artist from the word go.

    I take “not even remotely” as strong hyperbole. Have you guys never seen Mediterranean women?

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  85. @German_reader
    Muslims can't be white, it's not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.

    Well, not in a political sense, but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities. Even Hungarian. She does look white.

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    • Replies: @German_reader

    but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities.
     
    Maybe it's just me, but I actually doubt that. To me she does look distinctively like a Muslim Levantine (or maybe a Turk) from her facial features, even if her complexion is as light or lighter than that of many Southern Europeans. Hard to pin it down, but she doesn't look like a stereotypical southern Italian or Greek woman imo.
    But maybe I let myself be overly influenced by the Muslim garb she's wearing...would be interesting to see a picture of her without that.
    , @spandrell
    Are you sure of that? I can tell her in her face that she's not European. But maybe I've seen enough Arabs to know one when I see one.

    If I'd see that face I don't think "White" or "Med", I think "Arab". Fair skinned Arab. Some Arabs can pass as whites, say Assad's wife, but I would never think Sarsour looks Hungarian or Italian.
  86. @reiner Tor
    Well, not in a political sense, but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities. Even Hungarian. She does look white.

    but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I actually doubt that. To me she does look distinctively like a Muslim Levantine (or maybe a Turk) from her facial features, even if her complexion is as light or lighter than that of many Southern Europeans. Hard to pin it down, but she doesn’t look like a stereotypical southern Italian or Greek woman imo.
    But maybe I let myself be overly influenced by the Muslim garb she’s wearing…would be interesting to see a picture of her without that.

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  87. biz says:
    @attilathehen
    She's a fair-skinned Arab Palestinian Muslim. She could be classified as Caucasoid but many Palestinian Muslims have black ancestry so her extended family will have blacks in it. She's playing the "white card" to make her seem more acceptable in the USA. She reminds me of Jews who play the same card. Both types will be anti-Western and cannot be in the West.

    She’s playing the “white card” to make her seem more acceptable in the USA.

    Precisely the opposite. She is playing the non-white card in order to have intersectional cred.

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  88. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @German_reader
    Muslims can't be white, it's not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.

    I notice some of these commenters here emphasize her relatively light skin as qualifying her as being “white” because she looks that way and can pass. Looking like something and being able to pass for it is different from actually being it. Some east Asians stay out of the sun are are quite pale. Maybe they’re white also. Or if skin shade is the only factor then an African albino is also “white”.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I'm not sure how someone this stupid could write in legible sentences. I'm guessing you're trolling.
    , @Autochthon
    Quite right and an excellent point. Race enconpasses far more than complexion. "White," "black," "yellow," and such are (unfortunate?) shorthand. Many Orientals have paler skin than many Europeans, as you rightly note. No one would argue an albino Negro is not a Negro all the same. It's striking how so many in the exchange are fixating on her complexion alone.
  89. guest says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    The Islamic-Feminist linkup can look contradictory, but it just shows how human nature compensates.

    There is perhaps an ideal ratio of submissiveness between men and women. Maybe women are by nature a bit more submissive than men. When that submissiveness is completely eradicated on the surface (as under modern Feminism), then the unconscious gravitates towards the desire for complete submissiveness (Islam). The authentic level of submission is somewhere inbetween.

    A similar example is that when laws of gender equality are at their apex, and men are expected to behave in the most PC and bland way possible - what is the best-selling novel? Fifty Shades of Grey. Completely opposite. Nature will out.

    You’re overthinking it. Feminism is out to destroy Western Civilization. Islam is rival to Western Civilization, and Muslims are explosively disruptive when they live within or beside it. Therefore, they’re allies.

    Simple as that.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Zoom out one more step. Feminism, like BLM, advocates its own destruction because the messaging is owned and promulgated by globalists. You're left with young useful idiots advocating Islamic rape culture as liberation, and gang-controlled streets as black power. It's divide and conquer, and while I'm not sympathetic to white-hating dross, one must know the larger antagonist.
  90. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    http://forward.com/opinion/381879/we-jews-were-once-dreamers-we-must-stand-up-for-daca/

    Jews were dreamers in Palestine. So, what happened to Palestinians? Mass immigration is Dreamperialism.

    Zionist Dream in Palestine turned out to be a Nightmare for the Palestinians.
    Will Jews allow Palestinian Dreamers to return home under Right of Return?

    One people’s dream is another people’s nightmare.

    Ask the Tibetans.

    PS. ‘Pride’ now means homo, and ‘Dream’ now means Illegal Invasion.

    Maybe slavery can be redeemed as the dream of elevating blacks from savagery to civilization.

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  91. jJay says:

    I attended a Roman Catholic grade school in the 1960′s that was staffed by the Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They dressed similarly to the sisters in The Sound of Music.

    So… what’s the difference between a 1966 RC nun in a habit and a 2017 Muslim woman in a hijab?

    I don’t think it’s the wardrobe. I do not recall a nun advocating that secular law should be replaced by Cannon law or that her habit was a political-fashion statement. The nuns were, however, absurdly keen on sentence diagrams.

    http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/diagrams2/one_pager1.htm

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  92. guest says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    “youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s”

    Maybe that wasn’t really youth-driven? I mean, if a kid acts out when he wants a cookie, and his parent gives in, is his cookie-eating youth-driven? Or is it driven by permissive parenting. Now think of the way University employees reacted to campus uprisings.

    Then ask who put the idea of cookie-eating in the kid’s head. Obviously, cookies naturally taste good to kids, but so do many treats. Why cookies, in particular? Because those happen to be on the house? Or because Madison Avenue?

    The 60s youth in revolt worshipped the movies, music, and ephemera of mass culture. And though they tried desperately to differentiate between corporate rock and meaningful rock, come on. From this distance, who cares?

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    • Replies: @Seneca
    Good point.

    Depending on who you think led the the 1960s cultural and sexual revolution in the USA the dynamics changes.

    Was it led by the youth or the pied pipers of Madison Avenue (e.g. the people who populate the series Mad Men) trying to create a youth culture to merchandise products?

    Remember the 1960s style Coke commercial from 1971 "I'd love to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony" with a rainbow coalition of people drinking coke?

    Young people, the Boomers, had untapped disposable income at the beginning of the 1960s (partly because of the prosperity of the 1950s in the USA which made many of their parents rich) and like every generation they wanted to establish their own identity and differentiate themselves from their parents.

    Add into this mix making college education a new social requirement (which allowed their new social identity to coalesce around being "educated").

    It was a marketing wet dream come true.

    A similar scenario (a youth marketing gold rush) is taking place in China today (and took place in Japan twenty years ago).

    The nouveau riche will always be marketed to.

    Why?

    Because like Willie Sutton said about why he liked to rob banks ... because that's where the money is.
  93. guest says:
    @Clark Westwood

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab
     
    How long before the expression "wearing hijab" (as opposed to "wearing a hijab") becomes the new signal of cultural sensitivity/woke-ness?

    “becomes the new signal of…”

    The term you’re looking for is “shibboleth.”

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  94. Forbes says:
    @AndrewR
    This is a worthless response. Jews are generally counted as white and your comment makes no note of the goy/Jew distinction, nor does it provide a link. Jenner wants to know how many white shiksas there are in Manhattan and NYC.

    You got time to criticize my response–then look it up yourself. I responded with what is common knowledge for people living here. Your response is less than worthless.

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    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    He asked an interesting question and you gave a willfully misleading answer. Own it, son.
    , @anonymous
    Agreed. This "AndrewR" commenter is just an idiotic, obnoxious troll fouling up the comments section.
  95. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    “But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn’t have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s.”

    Today’s Iranian youth are haijib-deep in cultural revolution, from wearing western styled clothes to racing the Tehranian streets in their Porsches and smoking their Camel cigs. Modesty and unpretentiousness?” Surely you jest. “Ahanparasti” literally means “worshipping iron”–a phrase used to describe youth whose only consideration for prospective future spouses is their model of car and expensive personal accessories. Cohabiting couples, known as “white marriage”, has markedly increase despite fierce opposition by Muslim clerics. Apparently, the State has told Iranians what they cannot do, but not what they should.

    Classic Western spoiling of a traditional culture. What a shame.

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  96. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Young people will be young people. But I wonder why Iran, with its surfeit of young people (mean age 29) doesn't have its own youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s. But Iranian TFR is only 1.68, so maybe in their own way, they are. Maybe the young men are getting enough tail (with birth control) on the sly that they don't feel motivated to march in the streets.

    Iran's generational demographics are dynamite--in the West they blew up the place--but Iran's clerical fascism seems as entrenched as ever, or maybe their young people are blowing off steam elsewhere. Or maybe the more revolutionary-minded just leave. I have no idea.

    Perhaps you missed the memo about how Iran is the last redoubt of Logos, BIGOT

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  97. BB753 says:
    @Jim Christian

    If she lived in Arabia where all the other women are veiled, she would be an anti-veil activist.
     
    Maybe, if she wanted to endure 40-100 lashes on the back. There is a real, authentic and violent-toward-women Patriarchy in Saudi and Iran, Afghanistan, Africa, Paki-Whacky. Whippings, beatings, men hold all the jobs and women are in servitude to their men, at home, with 7 children.

    This is why I'm amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here.

    “This is why I’m amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here.”

    There’s no contradiction here. Deep down, women want to be dominated by men, and feminists are no exception.
    It’s a selective process: women won’t submit to just any man, so they make it as hard as possible for their suitors to “tame” them. For an excellent illustration, see Shakespeare’s The Taming of the Shrew.
    Only the most virile, agressive and determined man will be able to obliterate their shield. Feminism is just a quest for the best sperm available, from the men who will ignore, ridicule and ban their very feminist world-view and behavior.
    Western men are failing the test, so Western women, including feminists, will surrender to any kind of foreigner who will defeat and “rape” them (“Rape” as in the Rape of the Sabines, or the Rape of the Lock) and take them as their wives.
    It’s human nature. Women select the fittest men. That is, those who will ignore their infantile feminist babble, their silly whims and their snares, the men bold and smart enough to see right through their BS, who will take them forcefully and impregnate them, then make them stay at home and raise their kids.

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    This is largely true, but women's criteria for "fitness" is deeply deleterious to civilization. The "best" men by their reckoning may be the best for clawing their way atop a pile of corpses in a troop of baboons, but they're exactly the wrong type for building and maintaining a technological society. This is why no civilization lasts long that doesn't sharply curtail women's reproductive freedom.
  98. @peterike

    She’s not Nordic, but otherwise she’s quite unremarkable Mediterranean white.

     

    She isn't remotely white looking. Which is to say European or American white looking. Nobody would mistake her for a white girl. She only refers to herself as an "ordinary white girl" because that's a statement of contempt for whites, and for the thing she no longer is. Because hijab. It's just a con game. Being anti-white raises your media value dramatically these days.

    If Taylor Swift put on a hijab, she'd still be a white girl, and everyone would know it. Sarsour was never white, never felt white, was never seen as white, never for one split second considered herself white. It's all a lie. Why do people feel it necessary to project even the tiniest bit of sincerity upon such people? She's a con artist from the word go.

    Taylor Swift is one of the most Nordic looking celebrities though. You don’t have to be Taylor Swift or Jennifer Lawrence level all-American to be white. This is a bad example. Catherine Zeta Jones and Gemma Arterton are extremely white, British women but nobody would question them being MENA if they were unknowns wearing hijab. Not all Arabs are white, many are obviously mixed with Africans or South Asians, but Sarsour is extremely pale and has Greek/Balkan looking features. She’s probably a close approximation of what Arabs looked like before they became more racially mixed during the Middle Ages.

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  99. spandrell says: • Website
    @reiner Tor
    Well, not in a political sense, but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities. Even Hungarian. She does look white.

    Are you sure of that? I can tell her in her face that she’s not European. But maybe I’ve seen enough Arabs to know one when I see one.

    If I’d see that face I don’t think “White” or “Med”, I think “Arab”. Fair skinned Arab. Some Arabs can pass as whites, say Assad’s wife, but I would never think Sarsour looks Hungarian or Italian.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Yes, she's a little bit on that side of the spectrum. But it depends on context. In Germany I'd assume she was perhaps Turkish, but if I saw her in Hungary speaking Hungarian, I'd assume she was Hungarian. (Hungarians are quite mixed, so there's a lot of phenotypes there. A "typical Serb" or a "typical German" or a "typical Pole" or "typical Russian" wouldn't be out of place in Hungary, nor would, I think, a "typical Turk".)
  100. I literally, and I mean literally, do not know who the F this babe is or why I should care. Even golf is more interesting than this twaddle.

    What’s next? The importance of this broad?

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  101. They look like what my great-great grandmother wore, back on the farm in Hof, Norway.

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  102. LKM says:
    @TTSSYF
    I'm especially amused at the hijab-wearing women I see on occasion at the mall or grocery store who are wearing loads of eye make-up.

    This, is quite common among younger wearers in Canada. My guess would be that all hetero women want to express their femininity to some extent, but these girls wear hijab out of deference to older relatives. So plenty of eyeliner/precision-groomed eyebrows is the best they can get away with.

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  103. @AndrewR
    Thanks for competing for the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter now that Jefferson seems to have taken leave from us.

    If you saw Sarsour walking in American clothes and no hijab, I doubt you'd think this is a "non-white Caucasian."

    If you saw Sarsour walking in American clothes and no hijab, I doubt you’d think this is a “non-white Caucasian.”

    No he would not. He would think “Damn that is an ugly woman, why doesn’t she wear a hijab?”

    Thanks for competing for the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter now that Jefferson seems to have taken leave from us.

    WTF? I am the Most Autistic iSteve Commenter thank you very much.

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  104. El Dato says:
    @Clark Westwood

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab
     
    How long before the expression "wearing hijab" (as opposed to "wearing a hijab") becomes the new signal of cultural sensitivity/woke-ness?

    I think this happened at the latest back when Shepard Fairey did his “American Hijab” poster?

    Personally, I like women’s hairstyle more like this:

    http://www.impawards.com/1999/messenger_the_story_of_joan_of_arc.html

    Is there a word for dropping the particle so that the performance of an activity becomes the practice of a counter-cultural lifestyle element?

    “You gotta punch deck!”

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    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    Is there a word for dropping the particle so that the performance of an activity becomes the practice of a counter-cultural lifestyle element?

    “You gotta punch deck!”
     
    LOL.

    "I like to carry weapon when I go into certain neighborhoods."
  105. Guyz, guyz! (AndrewR, reiner Tor, biz, etc.)

    Re Linda Sarsour being white.

    No she isn’t, in a biological, hereditary sense. Her parents are Palestinian Semites. Palestine, last I checked, isn’t in Europe. People from Palestine are a various mix of Levantine -ites and -eans, and while sometimes pale skinned, aren’t European, and therefore are not white in the commonsense meaning of the word.

    A DNA test will prove this.

    Now can Sarsour socially pass as white if dressed normally? Yes. That’s part of what she implied. Could she ever pass as an “ordinary white girl?” No.

    First, she has a strikingly masculine, blocky visage. If she were a cook on a decommissioned battleship’s last voyage, let’s just say mutineer Gary Busey would have some problems. Nothing girlish about that. Okay maybe Seagal’s ADR delivery was kinda girly.

    Second, Sarsour has ‘exotic’ ethnic features that combined indicate non-European origin: almond eye shape with inky irises, bump midway on long sharp nose, funky face architecture in general. Just because she’s of Mediterranean origin doesn’t mean all Med peoples are/look the same—it’s a huge region spanning the edge of three Continents, with many phenotypes represented. Most darker-than-Linda Neapolitans, for example, would still look racially ‘whiter’ than a Becky-styled Sarsour.

    To sum up: A normally dressed, assimilated Linda Sarsour would be treated as a white chick-dude for basic American social purposes. Would assimilated Sarsour appear white in the commonsense biological, hereditary meaning of the word? Not to most European-descended people. Even at the least racially ‘woke’ level, there would still be a benign “uncanny valley” effect on the perception of the European beholder, despite Colbert-style “I don’t see race!” proclamations.

    Why do so many commenters say she’s not white?

    Because they see her face is that of a light-skinned Saracen.

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  106. AndrewR says:
    @anonymous
    I notice some of these commenters here emphasize her relatively light skin as qualifying her as being "white" because she looks that way and can pass. Looking like something and being able to pass for it is different from actually being it. Some east Asians stay out of the sun are are quite pale. Maybe they're white also. Or if skin shade is the only factor then an African albino is also "white".

    I’m not sure how someone this stupid could write in legible sentences. I’m guessing you’re trolling.

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  107. AndrewR says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    some ordinary white girl from New York City
     
    She brings up an interesting demographic question.

    What percentage of girls from New York City (not transplants) are ordinary white g(oy)irls from Manhattan? From the other four boroughs combined?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Tiffany and Ivanka are literally the only ones.

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  108. AndrewR says:
    @Forbes
    You got time to criticize my response--then look it up yourself. I responded with what is common knowledge for people living here. Your response is less than worthless.

    He asked an interesting question and you gave a willfully misleading answer. Own it, son.

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    Ahh, no worries. You were right about what I originally meant. Maybe Forbes didn’t pick up on my ‘clever’ formulation. It could be that the greatest increase in NY goyette births is from hinterland-origin parents trying to live that Brooklyn bubble dream. No doubt numerically swamped by all the rest, though.
  109. @AndrewR
    He asked an interesting question and you gave a willfully misleading answer. Own it, son.

    Ahh, no worries. You were right about what I originally meant. Maybe Forbes didn’t pick up on my ‘clever’ formulation. It could be that the greatest increase in NY goyette births is from hinterland-origin parents trying to live that Brooklyn bubble dream. No doubt numerically swamped by all the rest, though.

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  110. Seneca says:
    @guest
    "youth-driven Cultural Revolution as happened in the West in the 1960s"

    Maybe that wasn't really youth-driven? I mean, if a kid acts out when he wants a cookie, and his parent gives in, is his cookie-eating youth-driven? Or is it driven by permissive parenting. Now think of the way University employees reacted to campus uprisings.

    Then ask who put the idea of cookie-eating in the kid's head. Obviously, cookies naturally taste good to kids, but so do many treats. Why cookies, in particular? Because those happen to be on the house? Or because Madison Avenue?

    The 60s youth in revolt worshipped the movies, music, and ephemera of mass culture. And though they tried desperately to differentiate between corporate rock and meaningful rock, come on. From this distance, who cares?

    Good point.

    Depending on who you think led the the 1960s cultural and sexual revolution in the USA the dynamics changes.

    Was it led by the youth or the pied pipers of Madison Avenue (e.g. the people who populate the series Mad Men) trying to create a youth culture to merchandise products?

    Remember the 1960s style Coke commercial from 1971 “I’d love to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony” with a rainbow coalition of people drinking coke?

    Young people, the Boomers, had untapped disposable income at the beginning of the 1960s (partly because of the prosperity of the 1950s in the USA which made many of their parents rich) and like every generation they wanted to establish their own identity and differentiate themselves from their parents.

    Add into this mix making college education a new social requirement (which allowed their new social identity to coalesce around being “educated”).

    It was a marketing wet dream come true.

    A similar scenario (a youth marketing gold rush) is taking place in China today (and took place in Japan twenty years ago).

    The nouveau riche will always be marketed to.

    Why?

    Because like Willie Sutton said about why he liked to rob banks … because that’s where the money is.

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  111. helena says:
    @Verymuchalive
    " the Left just allied itself with a monster that will devour them in time."
    Muslims, by and large, have allied themselves with leftist parties. The latter are delighted because it ties in with their policy of increasing the number of 3rd World Immigrants/Welfare Class, who will vote for the Left in perpetuity, or so they think.
    Muslims know that once their numbers become large enough, they will break away and form their own Islamic parties.
    Few noticed that in this year's Dutch Elections, 2 former Labour MPs stood for a new Turkish Islamic party. They won 2 seats in the new Parliaments. I believe that this is the first time, outside the Balkans, that an Islamic party has been represented in a European parliament.
    The monster is already out the cage.

    Islam as an institution probably sees that the ideology of troxism is already ‘submission’ – submission to the one party, the one true list of acceptable thoughts – so the left will be easy to Islamise. The left has already agreed that hair covering is liberating and anti-fa is getting ever more skilled/skilfull/skillful at throwing stones.

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  112. Mr. Anon says:
    @jim jones
    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.

    One of my Ph.D students wears a hijab, every time I see it I have the urge to rip it off.

    She wears a hijab – not a burka? What a tramp!

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  113. Logan says:
    @G Pinfold
    Not sure why anyone would think she is White. Not even close.

    So who is White? Where do you draw the line?

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  114. NickG says:

    When I wasn’t wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.

    So she shares attention whoredom in common with the former athlete formerly known as Bruce Jenner. Ms Sarsour has just chosen a different aspect of Western psychosis to exploit so as to promulgate it.

    Though I suspect Bruce has better tits…

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  115. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Christian

    The monster is already out the cage.
     
    Indeed. They breed like rats, too. However, as a Christian male, White, flat OUT of privilege in my own country, the US, why should *I* resist Islam? Under Islam, I get my male privilege back and more authority over women than even my old Daddy and Grand Daddy EVER had over their women. The White men of Europe seem to be knuckling under for the most part, I see no White Knighting, the feminist women are subject to enormous insult and hassle and especially, rape, where Muslims gather. Maybe British White Christian men figured, screw it, they get their privilege back. Modern feminists hurled so much insult at White Men the past fifty years, maybe it's a White-Man's trend to say, to Hell with them?

    You don’t have to do anything. If you think Islam is a wise path to take and judge the Middle East to be a swell place, you can stop all this resisting and live your Islamic dream today. No, seriously, why waste your time wallowing in self-pity in any Islam-related post you come across, constantly bemoaning the sad fact of not having been born a Muslim? It ain’t brain surgery, Jim… Spit out those seven simple words and get the whining over with.

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    Who self-sympathizes? Oh! Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, liberals, Hillary. I made an observation for the young White men coming up today. I had my share of privilege, but I'm a long way up the road having made my fortune and bailed out of the whole thing. I do wish I could see the "if it came out this way" movie where Islam cleans up gays, trannies and feminists along with what passes for Academia and Hollywood, however. I argued long and hard against Islam starting the Iranian Hostage Rescue 46 years ago (those bastards cost me an extra 150 days at sea after a year already at sea, so I have motive. Or had. So let those who resist and hate my kind come to the end they deserve.
  116. @El Dato
    I think this happened at the latest back when Shepard Fairey did his "American Hijab" poster?

    Personally, I like women's hairstyle more like this:

    http://www.impawards.com/1999/messenger_the_story_of_joan_of_arc.html

    Is there a word for dropping the particle so that the performance of an activity becomes the practice of a counter-cultural lifestyle element?

    "You gotta punch deck!"

    Is there a word for dropping the particle so that the performance of an activity becomes the practice of a counter-cultural lifestyle element?

    “You gotta punch deck!”

    LOL.

    “I like to carry weapon when I go into certain neighborhoods.”

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  117. L Woods says:
    @BB753
    "This is why I’m amazed at modern-day feminists, toying with encouraging Muslims to come here."

    There's no contradiction here. Deep down, women want to be dominated by men, and feminists are no exception.
    It's a selective process: women won't submit to just any man, so they make it as hard as possible for their suitors to "tame" them. For an excellent illustration, see Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew.
    Only the most virile, agressive and determined man will be able to obliterate their shield. Feminism is just a quest for the best sperm available, from the men who will ignore, ridicule and ban their very feminist world-view and behavior.
    Western men are failing the test, so Western women, including feminists, will surrender to any kind of foreigner who will defeat and "rape" them ("Rape" as in the Rape of the Sabines, or the Rape of the Lock) and take them as their wives.
    It's human nature. Women select the fittest men. That is, those who will ignore their infantile feminist babble, their silly whims and their snares, the men bold and smart enough to see right through their BS, who will take them forcefully and impregnate them, then make them stay at home and raise their kids.

    This is largely true, but women’s criteria for “fitness” is deeply deleterious to civilization. The “best” men by their reckoning may be the best for clawing their way atop a pile of corpses in a troop of baboons, but they’re exactly the wrong type for building and maintaining a technological society. This is why no civilization lasts long that doesn’t sharply curtail women’s reproductive freedom.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Exactly! No patriarchy, no civilization.
  118. L Woods says:
    @Logan
    So who is White? Where do you draw the line?

    I feel a Spectrum Fallacy coming on…

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    • Replies: @Logan
    Pinfold says she is "not even close" to being White.

    Since he defines some as White and others as not-White, it seems entirely reasonable to ask how he decides who is assigned to which group.

    Perhaps I could better ask, "What characteristics should be considered when deciding who is and is not White?"

    Various societies have come up with a number of answers to this question, varying from 77.5% Aryan blood under the Nazis to the "one drop rule" in the American South.

    If we're going to say grouping people this way is really important, we are obligated to specify our criteria.

    Some of the groups I have personally seen described as "not-White" include: Jews (of course), Arabs, Greeks, Serbs, Finns, Hungarians, Russians, Italians, Portuguese, Spanish and Irish.

    Don't quite get the last one, since if Conan O'Brien isn't White I don't know who is!
  119. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Forbes
    You got time to criticize my response--then look it up yourself. I responded with what is common knowledge for people living here. Your response is less than worthless.

    Agreed. This “AndrewR” commenter is just an idiotic, obnoxious troll fouling up the comments section.

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  120. bigman says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Well, Linda herself has a good insight into why she’s now the face of pro-Islam feminism"

    Because Hanan Ashwari is past it and has dropped off the radar. Also, Linda sounds more American and non-threatening.

    “Because Hanan Ashwari is past it and has dropped off the radar. Also, Linda sounds more American and non-threatening.”

    Ashwari is Christian, no?

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  121. @Thomas
    "Sarsour was married in an arranged marriage at the age of 17 and had three children by her mid-20s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour

    She should give herself some credit. That's much more productive than your average mid-20s ordinary white girl from New York City.

    This woman is white like I am the last king of Scotland.

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  122. @anonymous
    I notice some of these commenters here emphasize her relatively light skin as qualifying her as being "white" because she looks that way and can pass. Looking like something and being able to pass for it is different from actually being it. Some east Asians stay out of the sun are are quite pale. Maybe they're white also. Or if skin shade is the only factor then an African albino is also "white".

    Quite right and an excellent point. Race enconpasses far more than complexion. “White,” “black,” “yellow,” and such are (unfortunate?) shorthand. Many Orientals have paler skin than many Europeans, as you rightly note. No one would argue an albino Negro is not a Negro all the same. It’s striking how so many in the exchange are fixating on her complexion alone.

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  123. @AndrewR
    Not sure why you chose to write such a stupid comment, but here we are.

    I’m not sure why you would write such a stupid comment, but here it is.

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  124. a reader says:

    New study finds what’s holding back Muslims in the workplace.

    Right, that’s Islamophobia !

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  125. @Jane Claire
    It's a shame that the white man forgot who crossed over the oceans with him facing the same perils.
    It's too bad the white man forgot who accompanied him over the plains as the young man went west, facing the same perils.
    It's an utter humiliation that the white man forgot who also plowed the fields, cooked the food, raised his kids and on occasion when needed even kicked his ass.
    Now you have them to put on a pedestal to show the world just how you're not an islamphobe, homophobe, sexist, rayciss, and you'll yell from every comment.
    Should have stuck by us rather than stab us in the back.
    And I still don't like the donald.

    What the Hell does any if this stuff mean? Is your idea that white men betrayed white women? If so, are you dyslexic?

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  126. a reader says:

    Partly OT,

    In Senegal, statue of 19th century French governor happens to collapse right when opposants to colonialism happen to walk by.

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  127. @AndrewR
    She could easily pass for a native of Italy, Serbia, Greece, etc, all of which are in Europe FYI. Or are you going to try to move the goalposts like I think you will?

    "White person = [almost] wholly of European descent" is a useful rule of thumb, and many people seem to religiously believe it, but reality has a known nuanced bias. If Sarsour isn't white then a very large number of ethnic Europeans aren't.

    I’ve lived in Italy. This creature could not possibly be mistaken for an Italian by anyone who has.

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  128. @3g4me
    @11 Seamus Padraig: "But in a white society, dressing like that is actually extremely attention-seeking."

    Particularly since so many of the magic-dirt variety Mohammedans (i.e. 1st and 2nd generation putative "American-born") wear brightly colored hijabs adorned with various sorts of bangles, bobbles, spangles and bling designed precisely to draw one's eye, and combine them with tight fitting jeans (because they're all American of course). The entire point of wearing any form of hijab in a Western nation is to draw attention of difference (I'm a special snowflake and not one of the native mob) and implied superiority (I can't be challenged because racism/islamophobia, and we're here, we're increasing our presence, and you can't do or say anything about it). This goes double for those who wear the head-to-toe black shroud along with black gloves and sunglasses - and yes, I've seen a number of those here in Texas' 100 degree summer heat.

    In short, typical passive-aggressive female and/or third-world behavior.

    Don’t believe it. No woman covers her hair unless she’s either forced to or has a deep belief in its inherent righteousness.

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  129. @spandrell
    Are you sure of that? I can tell her in her face that she's not European. But maybe I've seen enough Arabs to know one when I see one.

    If I'd see that face I don't think "White" or "Med", I think "Arab". Fair skinned Arab. Some Arabs can pass as whites, say Assad's wife, but I would never think Sarsour looks Hungarian or Italian.

    Yes, she’s a little bit on that side of the spectrum. But it depends on context. In Germany I’d assume she was perhaps Turkish, but if I saw her in Hungary speaking Hungarian, I’d assume she was Hungarian. (Hungarians are quite mixed, so there’s a lot of phenotypes there. A “typical Serb” or a “typical German” or a “typical Pole” or “typical Russian” wouldn’t be out of place in Hungary, nor would, I think, a “typical Turk”.)

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  130. @German_reader

    but she could easily pass for Italian, Albanian, Portuguese, or a number of other European nationalities.
     
    Maybe it's just me, but I actually doubt that. To me she does look distinctively like a Muslim Levantine (or maybe a Turk) from her facial features, even if her complexion is as light or lighter than that of many Southern Europeans. Hard to pin it down, but she doesn't look like a stereotypical southern Italian or Greek woman imo.
    But maybe I let myself be overly influenced by the Muslim garb she's wearing...would be interesting to see a picture of her without that.

    See what I answered to spandrell.

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  131. RobertTS says:
    @attilathehen
    She's a fair-skinned Arab Palestinian Muslim. She could be classified as Caucasoid but many Palestinian Muslims have black ancestry so her extended family will have blacks in it. She's playing the "white card" to make her seem more acceptable in the USA. She reminds me of Jews who play the same card. Both types will be anti-Western and cannot be in the West.

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb has been posting a lot of late as to how coastal Syrians and northern Lebanese may have had a substantial Indo-European genetic component (the Phoenicians may have been a Semitic ruling class ruling over a non-Sem population who would adopt a Semitic language), whereas not only the Semitic component intesifies among West Bank Palestinians but more specifically so too does the Peninsular Arab element. Bedouin migration? Or the fact that Roman Judea/Palestine always bordered several frontier Arab tribes?

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    Yes, he's correct. Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi Christians are smart and hardworking. Carlos Slim of Mexico is a good example of this. Ralph Nader and his very intelligent siblings are an American example. They assimilate very easily to the West. Once you get closer to North Africa you see the black ancestry. Egyptian Coptic Christians have a lot of black ancestry. Only about 10% would qualify as Caucasians. I feel bad for them, but they are racially different. In Israel and the territories, there are many black Palestinians (Muslims). When they come to the West they align with blacks. Colin Kapernick's fiancee is a black Egyptian Muslim and he has converted to Islam. Islam caused these problems through slavery concubinage and polygamy. That's why Sarsour works with BLM. It's in her heritage.
  132. BB753 says:
    @L Woods
    This is largely true, but women's criteria for "fitness" is deeply deleterious to civilization. The "best" men by their reckoning may be the best for clawing their way atop a pile of corpses in a troop of baboons, but they're exactly the wrong type for building and maintaining a technological society. This is why no civilization lasts long that doesn't sharply curtail women's reproductive freedom.

    Exactly! No patriarchy, no civilization.

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  133. Logan says:
    @L Woods
    I feel a Spectrum Fallacy coming on...

    Pinfold says she is “not even close” to being White.

    Since he defines some as White and others as not-White, it seems entirely reasonable to ask how he decides who is assigned to which group.

    Perhaps I could better ask, “What characteristics should be considered when deciding who is and is not White?”

    Various societies have come up with a number of answers to this question, varying from 77.5% Aryan blood under the Nazis to the “one drop rule” in the American South.

    If we’re going to say grouping people this way is really important, we are obligated to specify our criteria.

    Some of the groups I have personally seen described as “not-White” include: Jews (of course), Arabs, Greeks, Serbs, Finns, Hungarians, Russians, Italians, Portuguese, Spanish and Irish.

    Don’t quite get the last one, since if Conan O’Brien isn’t White I don’t know who is!

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  134. @German_reader
    Muslims can't be white, it's not just about genes, also about civilizational identity.

    I get that impression too. It applies to Balkans and Caucasus Muslims (irony?).

    Check out Ramzan Kadyrov. He doesn’t even have black hair.

    For that matter, Assad of Syria has blue eyes. Erdogan of Turkey could easily pass as even a northern European.

    But object to such Muslims immigrating and you’re a racist.

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    If you're familiar with all kinds of Old World Caucasian phenotypes, there's no way you'd confuse Erdogan for a Northern European. Having said that, he could pass for a great number of ethnic groups around the Mediterranean, more on the southern side than on the northern side. Myself, I like to call Southern Europeans "Northern Mediterraneans", to stress their difference both with other European ethnicities and MENA types.
    To tell Caucasians ethnic groups apart, it's better to focus on the facial features, not just pigmentation, which can be deceiving.
  135. @reiner Tor

    Muslim women have told me they wish the West had enough strength of character to ban the hijab in public & save Muslim girls & women from oppression …
     
    No, no, and no. It's not our job to save Muslim women from oppression (which usually comes from other women, e.g. mother-in-laws demanding that their daughter-in-laws wear the hijab or else...), seeing a lot of hijabs is quite a bit of a red pill (so it would do a disservice to the alt-right if our traitor ruling class would actually ban hijabs), and then, how would it be enforced? You'd see sob stories in the media about the poor innocent Muslim woman who was heavily fined simply for practicing her religion but has no money...

    You see a Muslim husband in baking summer heat, comfy in t-shirt & shorts, alongside his wife wrapped in black, even with gloves sometimes
     
    Actually, in Islam, even men have to be dressed modestly, for example the knees and shoulders (and everything in between) have to be covered even for men. This means that it's not just that Islam forces women to dress up more tightly in the summer (or on the beach), but also that their men often don't even follow the laxer rules set for them. Among the refugees for example the women always wore full hijabs etc., while the men usually wore shorts: the latter is supposed to be haram. (There are I think some liberal Islamic scholars who argue that it's actually enough to dress "modestly" by the standards of the society they find themselves in, e.g. on a beach in Italy not to wear bikinis but instead a normal swimming dress, etc. But then why are the women dressing stricter than that? It's a double standard, however you look at it, even by Islam's own already skewed standards.)

    Iran also felt that men’s haircut styles needed to be “standardized” to a few Mullah-approved types.

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  136. @RobertTS
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb has been posting a lot of late as to how coastal Syrians and northern Lebanese may have had a substantial Indo-European genetic component (the Phoenicians may have been a Semitic ruling class ruling over a non-Sem population who would adopt a Semitic language), whereas not only the Semitic component intesifies among West Bank Palestinians but more specifically so too does the Peninsular Arab element. Bedouin migration? Or the fact that Roman Judea/Palestine always bordered several frontier Arab tribes?

    Yes, he’s correct. Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi Christians are smart and hardworking. Carlos Slim of Mexico is a good example of this. Ralph Nader and his very intelligent siblings are an American example. They assimilate very easily to the West. Once you get closer to North Africa you see the black ancestry. Egyptian Coptic Christians have a lot of black ancestry. Only about 10% would qualify as Caucasians. I feel bad for them, but they are racially different. In Israel and the territories, there are many black Palestinians (Muslims). When they come to the West they align with blacks. Colin Kapernick’s fiancee is a black Egyptian Muslim and he has converted to Islam. Islam caused these problems through slavery concubinage and polygamy. That’s why Sarsour works with BLM. It’s in her heritage.

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  137. My test for “whiteness” in the social sense is I imagine the person in question being dropped off in Compton circa 1983 and consider what the reaction of the locals would be.

    Sarsour—with or without the hijab—would be just some white chick thinkin she bad.

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    She would have been ok. She's a Muslim. Lots of American blacks are Muslims.
  138. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This thread is hilarious. Stormfront levels of stupid. Sarsour would blend in just fine in much of Europe. She certainly wouldn’t stand out much as a Balkanite. Perfectly convincing, even if not exactly typical.

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  139. @anonymous-antimarxist

    oversexed Middle Eastern men

     

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???

    Comes with the territories where polygamy along with 1st & 2nd cousin & Uncle/Niece arranged marriages are common.

    I don't about you but I have some lovely cousins and nieces but none I could even remotely imagine being intimate with. It must take some special genetics and a complete lack of alternatives to allow that to happen.

    Lots of sexually unsatisfied men who if they are going to pass on their genes must either rape or get some while the husband or other men of the family whose duty is to protect the female's honor are not around.

    Now allow that sort of nurture to influence nature for a few thousand years.

    There is a reason after all that US troops deployed to Middle East and Afghanistan refer to the locals as "goatf***ers"

    15 Moroccan Teens Treated For Rabies After Having Sex With Donkey

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/19987/15-moroccan-teens-treated-rabies-after-having-sex-joseph-curl

    Fifteen teenagers in Morocco who sexually assaulted a donkey in the small town of Sidi Kamel have been treated for rabies they contracted from the beast of burden.
     
    Also this Youtube classic.

    Afghan Mujahideen Take Turns F***ing A Goat
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmkveCXQ0EE

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???

    “Oversexed” refers to innate desire, not to the opportunities available to fulfill that desire. It’s about the wiring. You’re confusing it with “overfed”.

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    Speaking of wiring and oversexed, I'd go so far as to suggest a direction relation between uncovered women, male self-control, and intelligence (though the order of causality is unclear and a few arguments could be made, not least among them sub-Saharan admixture in MENA populations and cousin marriage).

    While European and East Asian men gave women latitude in terms of dress, apart from the cloistered, footbound upper classes, Asia Minor and North Africa were covering and restricting, holding women alone responsible for men's urges. Like the future time orientation that enabled men and their families to survive northern winters, daily sexual self- control, even in the presence of uncovered skin, would lead to a temperate people. Additionally, giving women choice or veto over suitors, would enable the intelligent to seek capable, stable providers. Women without long time preference (presumably less intelligent) would seek the alpha bad boy, who disproportionately would leave her in financial straits.

    A balanced type of social Darwinism prevailed in which women's beauty strengthened men's resolve, but could not be used without marriage (or women would suffer penury and ruin).

  140. @Seth Largo
    My test for "whiteness" in the social sense is I imagine the person in question being dropped off in Compton circa 1983 and consider what the reaction of the locals would be.

    Sarsour---with or without the hijab---would be just some white chick thinkin she bad.

    She would have been ok. She’s a Muslim. Lots of American blacks are Muslims.

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  141. BB753 says:
    @Frau Katze
    I get that impression too. It applies to Balkans and Caucasus Muslims (irony?).

    Check out Ramzan Kadyrov. He doesn't even have black hair.

    For that matter, Assad of Syria has blue eyes. Erdogan of Turkey could easily pass as even a northern European.

    But object to such Muslims immigrating and you're a racist.

    If you’re familiar with all kinds of Old World Caucasian phenotypes, there’s no way you’d confuse Erdogan for a Northern European. Having said that, he could pass for a great number of ethnic groups around the Mediterranean, more on the southern side than on the northern side. Myself, I like to call Southern Europeans “Northern Mediterraneans”, to stress their difference both with other European ethnicities and MENA types.
    To tell Caucasians ethnic groups apart, it’s better to focus on the facial features, not just pigmentation, which can be deceiving.

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    Also the z axis, so to speak: mild prognanthism of the jaw in Semitic and Turkic peoples, smaller sloped foreheads, and poorly defined cheekbones. Who knew physiognomy would be so useful in the w2eu.info era?
    , @Frau Katze
    Erdogan has hazel eyes and brown hair.

    My father, ancestry 100% from the far north of Scottish Highlands (Caithness) had dark brown eyes and black hair,
  142. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    If you're familiar with all kinds of Old World Caucasian phenotypes, there's no way you'd confuse Erdogan for a Northern European. Having said that, he could pass for a great number of ethnic groups around the Mediterranean, more on the southern side than on the northern side. Myself, I like to call Southern Europeans "Northern Mediterraneans", to stress their difference both with other European ethnicities and MENA types.
    To tell Caucasians ethnic groups apart, it's better to focus on the facial features, not just pigmentation, which can be deceiving.

    Also the z axis, so to speak: mild prognanthism of the jaw in Semitic and Turkic peoples, smaller sloped foreheads, and poorly defined cheekbones. Who knew physiognomy would be so useful in the w2eu.info era?

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  143. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    You're overthinking it. Feminism is out to destroy Western Civilization. Islam is rival to Western Civilization, and Muslims are explosively disruptive when they live within or beside it. Therefore, they're allies.

    Simple as that.

    Zoom out one more step. Feminism, like BLM, advocates its own destruction because the messaging is owned and promulgated by globalists. You’re left with young useful idiots advocating Islamic rape culture as liberation, and gang-controlled streets as black power. It’s divide and conquer, and while I’m not sympathetic to white-hating dross, one must know the larger antagonist.

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  144. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oversexed, really???

    Or is it more likely 80% of the population is dramatically undersexed and therefore very horny???
     
    "Oversexed" refers to innate desire, not to the opportunities available to fulfill that desire. It's about the wiring. You're confusing it with "overfed".

    Speaking of wiring and oversexed, I’d go so far as to suggest a direction relation between uncovered women, male self-control, and intelligence (though the order of causality is unclear and a few arguments could be made, not least among them sub-Saharan admixture in MENA populations and cousin marriage).

    While European and East Asian men gave women latitude in terms of dress, apart from the cloistered, footbound upper classes, Asia Minor and North Africa were covering and restricting, holding women alone responsible for men’s urges. Like the future time orientation that enabled men and their families to survive northern winters, daily sexual self- control, even in the presence of uncovered skin, would lead to a temperate people. Additionally, giving women choice or veto over suitors, would enable the intelligent to seek capable, stable providers. Women without long time preference (presumably less intelligent) would seek the alpha bad boy, who disproportionately would leave her in financial straits.

    A balanced type of social Darwinism prevailed in which women’s beauty strengthened men’s resolve, but could not be used without marriage (or women would suffer penury and ruin).

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    @Anon
    Speaking of wiring and oversexed, I'd go so far as to suggest a direction relation between uncovered women, male self-control, and intelligence (though the order of causality is unclear and a few arguments could be made, not least among them sub-Saharan admixture in MENA populations and cousin marriage).

    While European and East Asian men gave women latitude in terms of dress, apart from the cloistered, footbound upper classes, Asia Minor and North Africa were covering and restricting, holding women alone responsible for men's urges. Like the future time orientation that enabled men and their families to survive northern winters, daily sexual self- control, even in the presence of uncovered skin, would lead to a temperate people. Additionally, giving women choice or veto over suitors, would enable the intelligent to seek capable, stable providers. Women without long time preference (presumably less intelligent) would seek the alpha bad boy, who disproportionately would leave her in financial straits.

    A balanced type of social Darwinism prevailed in which women's beauty strengthened men's resolve, but could not be used without marriage (or women would suffer penury and ruin).

    *temperant

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  146. @BB753
    If you're familiar with all kinds of Old World Caucasian phenotypes, there's no way you'd confuse Erdogan for a Northern European. Having said that, he could pass for a great number of ethnic groups around the Mediterranean, more on the southern side than on the northern side. Myself, I like to call Southern Europeans "Northern Mediterraneans", to stress their difference both with other European ethnicities and MENA types.
    To tell Caucasians ethnic groups apart, it's better to focus on the facial features, not just pigmentation, which can be deceiving.

    Erdogan has hazel eyes and brown hair.

    My father, ancestry 100% from the far north of Scottish Highlands (Caithness) had dark brown eyes and black hair,

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    No contradiction here. Does Sean Connery look like a northern European? Indeed, he does, regardless of his brown eyes and brown hair, well, brown wig, lol!
    As an anecdote, the very first Swede I ever met as a boy, a Swedish diplomat, had also hazel eyes and black hair, but in all other respects, size, long head, nose, etc, he looked 100 % Nordic. Most other Swedes I met after that had green or blue eyes and had blond or dirty blond hair. There's always room for variation in pigmentation within a certain range among Northern Europeans. Some can tan, some cannot.
  147. BB753 says:
    @Frau Katze
    Erdogan has hazel eyes and brown hair.

    My father, ancestry 100% from the far north of Scottish Highlands (Caithness) had dark brown eyes and black hair,

    No contradiction here. Does Sean Connery look like a northern European? Indeed, he does, regardless of his brown eyes and brown hair, well, brown wig, lol!
    As an anecdote, the very first Swede I ever met as a boy, a Swedish diplomat, had also hazel eyes and black hair, but in all other respects, size, long head, nose, etc, he looked 100 % Nordic. Most other Swedes I met after that had green or blue eyes and had blond or dirty blond hair. There’s always room for variation in pigmentation within a certain range among Northern Europeans. Some can tan, some cannot.

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    Maybe you're more observant... there is no way I could tell Erdogan wasn't European by his looks.

    Maybe I'm not good at it.
  148. @BB753
    No contradiction here. Does Sean Connery look like a northern European? Indeed, he does, regardless of his brown eyes and brown hair, well, brown wig, lol!
    As an anecdote, the very first Swede I ever met as a boy, a Swedish diplomat, had also hazel eyes and black hair, but in all other respects, size, long head, nose, etc, he looked 100 % Nordic. Most other Swedes I met after that had green or blue eyes and had blond or dirty blond hair. There's always room for variation in pigmentation within a certain range among Northern Europeans. Some can tan, some cannot.

    Maybe you’re more observant… there is no way I could tell Erdogan wasn’t European by his looks.

    Maybe I’m not good at it.

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    Some Turks are European, just not of the northern variety. I understand that Erdogan has some ancestry from the Caucasus.
  149. BB753 says:
    @Frau Katze
    Maybe you're more observant... there is no way I could tell Erdogan wasn't European by his looks.

    Maybe I'm not good at it.

    Some Turks are European, just not of the northern variety. I understand that Erdogan has some ancestry from the Caucasus.

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  150. @Anonymous
    You don't have to do anything. If you think Islam is a wise path to take and judge the Middle East to be a swell place, you can stop all this resisting and live your Islamic dream today. No, seriously, why waste your time wallowing in self-pity in any Islam-related post you come across, constantly bemoaning the sad fact of not having been born a Muslim? It ain't brain surgery, Jim... Spit out those seven simple words and get the whining over with.

    Who self-sympathizes? Oh! Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, liberals, Hillary. I made an observation for the young White men coming up today. I had my share of privilege, but I’m a long way up the road having made my fortune and bailed out of the whole thing. I do wish I could see the “if it came out this way” movie where Islam cleans up gays, trannies and feminists along with what passes for Academia and Hollywood, however. I argued long and hard against Islam starting the Iranian Hostage Rescue 46 years ago (those bastards cost me an extra 150 days at sea after a year already at sea, so I have motive. Or had. So let those who resist and hate my kind come to the end they deserve.

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