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It’s not well-known, but on 9/11 the death toll included 343 firemen and zero firewomen (who are known to firemen as “firewatchers”).

To rectify that, Choeurlyne Doirin-Holder was hired by the FDNY. But, sensibly enough, she probably won’t stick around long enough to get killed on the job. From the New York Post:

Firefighter who flunked physical injured 10 days into job

By Susan Edelman November 22, 2015 | 4:12am

Modal Trigger Firefighter who flunked physical injured 10 days into job

A firefighter who was allowed to graduate the Fire Academy despite failing physical tests has already gone out on medical leave — just 10 days into the job, The Post has learned.

Probationary firefighter Choeurlyne Doirin-Holder injured herself Monday while conducting a routine check of equipment at Queens’ Engine 308 in South Richmond Hill. Getting off the truck, Doirin-Holder missed a step and landed on her left foot, suffering a fracture, sources said. …

“If you’re going to get hurt in the firehouse checking a rig, what would happen at a fire?” an insider asked.

On Nov. 6, Doirin-Holder celebrated her FDNY graduation as one of four new female Bravest, bringing the number of women to 49 — an all-time high in the FDNY’s 150-year history. …

Doirin-Holder, who turns 40 this month, is one of 282 “priority hires” passed over in 1999 and 2000. Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis ordered they must get preference as victims of past discrimination against minorities.

It was Doirin-Holder’s third attempt to pass the academy. …

Doirin-Holder started another class in early 2014 but dropped out because of an injury. The FDNY then gave her a desk job and kept her on the payroll at top firefighter salary, $76,488…

Since she was injured on duty, she is eligible for a disability pension that would pay three-quarters of her annual salary, tax-free, if deemed unfit to return.

 
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  1. Does anyone know if she was trying to chew gum at the time of the injury?

  2. “…if deemed unfit to return…”

    But she was never fit for the job in the first place.

    Oh, I get it. It’s the penultimate move in the affirmative action game plan: hire absolutely unqualified people, let them fall on their faces, then pay then 75% of their salary forever to go away. Plus all the health care and stuff.

    The last move, of course, is to just give them $57,000 a year, or whatever the local median income is, for being black, female, etc. No wonder Obama wants to Affirmatively Further Fair Housing. Get enough of them in areas where the median income is high, and their salary for doing nothing goes up. Black income problem solved! Right? RIGHT?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.

    Why not have some variation of that for public sector jobs, including a moral hazard component?

    Pensioning off "injured" newbies is just fraud.
    , @Jim Christian
    The Feminist imperative..
  3. Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren’t capable of doing? Insanity. Or just going after benefits/worker’s comp.? Either way, much ado about nothing.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren’t capable of doing?

    ¡Jeb¡ must hear this a lot.
    , @SFG
    Benefits, I would guess.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.
    , @oh its just me
    oh wait until the hollywood version comes out. She'll be depicted running past wheezing pale males and carrying children out of burning buildings.
    , @Jack Highlands
    Amplify 57 G tax-free a year for life for this utterly useless cow, with the cost of AA for 100 million Blacks and Mestizos and the immense AA benefit to Jews of being 'White' while the real Whites are snowed under by AA, and it's very much ado about something.
  4. Quentin Taratino being oppressed by the man

    “Back when I was in my 20s and broke, I was a little scared of the cops, all right?” Tarantino told ­Maher. “And oftentimes, I had warrants out on me for traffic stuff that I never took care of and everything . . . I’d get stopped, and I’d have to do eight days in county jail.”

    Not one of his stays in the county jail is documented which is a conspiracy by Sailerites and others (including Charles Widmore!) to detract from the hardships that he suffered in his imagination.

  5. “The FDNY then gave her a desk job . . .”. Maybe 1%-2% of my state university’s payroll amounts to “irregular hires” of all sorts. Some have genuine talent and grow into their jobs, but there’s no doubt they were pushed to the head of the queue of applicants who may have been equally or more talented.
    Some irregular hires are disasters, but they’re kept on and given budgets and administrative responsibilities, because university administrators fear legal action and local political repercussions. Translation: no balls. These disastrous irregular hires, at least as I’ve seen them, survive by undermining the work of others.
    I don’t know the FDNY situation, but government does indeed hire people who can’t work, won’t work, etc., to satisfy some political equilibrium. It amounts to transfer payments by other means, and it’s a nasty business.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    “The FDNY then gave her a desk job . . .”. Maybe 1%-2% of my state university’s payroll amounts to “irregular hires” of all sorts.
     
    All hires are irregular unless there is a civil service test. Without one the jobs will go to the AA candidates and the personally and politically connected. Especially with an awful job market in the dreaded private sector. These days Michael Dukakis' phrase "Good jobs at good wages" means gov't jobs. "Good jobs at good wages" was during the 1988 presidential campaign before NAFTA/WTO and open borders. Back when we had a private sector that did have mass numbers of "Good jobs at good wages".

    Certain public sector jobs are very desirable to some. Judgeships have been sold for 5-10 thousand in cities like Boston and NY. I don't know if this still goes on. Older lawyers love being appointed judge, it means a tired 50 year old lawyer can put in 10 years for a tax payer funded pension.
  6. A speech that stole steve’s well-made and once oft-made point (and made a poetic) which Frank Ricci was too humble to give when he got it, on his way to a speaking engagement at a republican convention:

    A philosopher once said something you’ve probably heard: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    Mark Twain slightly disagreed. He said, “History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”

    Thus may we say that those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    What of history is not gone beyond recall is to some extent legend. But some legends carry more truth than others. Here’s a small reminder of one:

    An Emperor aimed to conquer an outnumbered army and overrun their nation. He told them to humble their glory, to lay their blades low. Odds against him but arms borne, the army’s King responded with a dare: “Come and take them.”

    The Battle of Thermopile—when three hundred Spartans made a last stand at a narrow pass to defend their home against ten thousand Persians. Every Spartan soldier died.

    That piece of history is profound because it remembers a timeless truth: at certain crucial moments, men will stare danger down rather than run from it.

    The men and women that I am here today proud to represent believe in that timeless truth. It is a belief kept at the core: Courage is a Virtue.

    It’s been said that courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. I don’t want to sound unbecomingly proud when I say what that something else is to fireman: namely, the safety of strangers.

    I would like to think that I am here addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe; I wish that I could spend the rest of this time talking about What It Takes To Be a Fireman, in the hope that I might light a young heart with the desire to put out flames, to keep strangers safe.

    But that’s not why I’m here today.

    If any of you know who I am, it’s probably because I, along with 19 other firefighters, won a lawsuit against the City of New Haven when five members of the Supreme Court decided we were right.

    Now, it being an election year, with the economy in bad shape, we’ve been hearing a lot of talk about The American Dream. The term gets tossed around so much that we risk seeing the idea become nothing but vague rhetoric. That risk is dangerous, for when an idea becomes that, its meaning is lost. And when the meaning of a defining idea is lost, a nation loses its identity.

    What does the American Dream really mean?

    That Supreme Court case you might know me from, I believe that case was about preserving the true meaning of The American Dream, and by preserving its meaning, keeping it a reality.

    I said that I am not mainly addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe. But I suppose in a way I am.

    You see, I know enough about keeping strangers safe that I passed a test for promotion to management. Those nineteen other firefighters did too. But we were denied our promotions because none of us were the right race.

    I think that the City of New Haven had the wrong idea of what the American Dream means. The American Dream does not mean your ancestry determines your success or failure. That is exactly what the American Dream is defined against. It is what the Founding Fathers wanted this nation to leave behind.

    That test we passed was a measure of our merit. No one who needs to be rescued cares what color a firefighter’s skin is. They care if you’re the one who can save them; they care if you have the ability to save them. In a roundabout way, they care if the American Dream is real.

    Five justices on the Supreme Court agreed with that. Neither of the justices President Obama appointed agreed with that. I think it’s as simple as that.

    Do you want a President who appoints judges who don’t know what the American Dream really means? Or do you want a president who will keep the American Dream a reality by appointing judges who do?

    I would like to end by using this opportunity to dispense an obligation I feel deeply. It is an obligation I feel as an American, but particularly as an American Fireman.

    Those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    Much of remembering the past is the task of memorizing dates and numbers: 480 BC., 300 Spartans.

    That’s from the past. Here’s one from living memory: September 11, 2001, 343 Firemen.

    We hear the date but not the number enough. My obligation is to let you hear the ring of that rhyme; to remind you of that number—three forty three.

    • Replies: @bomag
    The American Dream does not mean your ancestry determines your success or failure.

    Biology need not apply, in his view. Let's see how that works out.

    Do you want a President who appoints judges who don’t know what the American Dream really means? Or do you want a president who will keep the American Dream a reality by appointing judges who do?

    I do want judges who will "keep the American Dream a reality". It is probably not the same thing that this speech's author thinks it is.

    , @dc.sunsets
    We marinate all day, every day in collectivism. Someday soon this too shall change.
  7. Derb’s right. Dooooooooooooooooooomed. We have become a fundamentally unserious people.

  8. For God’s sake! People are not fungible commodities. This is the same sort of ridiculous reasoning that suggests, because China and Korea can be industrial superpowers, so can the Congo and Kenya. It maybe that some women make excellent police chief’s. Washington has Cathy Lanier and Tampa Jane Castor who seem to thrive in what is, basically, an administrative position supervising a large bureaucracy and do not suffer from the limitations of Affirmative Action minority police chiefs but even here they must rise to to their positions in a job that requires, literally, manhandling criminals. A task most men are not able to perform. It is no secret that ‘minimum’ physical fitness passing scores for military, police and fire personnel are just that. Minimum requirements.That when the SHTF those engaged in life or death battles will have to do more than just meet that minimum level of strength and stamina.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Are you talking about DC's Lanier? The one who refuses to approve CCWs cause guns scare her? Lmao
  9. Typo in 2nd sentence of 2nd pp

  10. In my city, commercial apartment units are regularly inspected by the fire department. The most annoying inspector was a woman, who didn’t like all he newspapers and books in my place. (I got rid of the papers, but kept the books.)

    This is the sort of bureaucratic position women can easily fill. Watch for their number to increase.

    Actually, my city had one of the most prominent sex discrimination cases after NYC. Seems our standards were so high, they were literally illegal.

    Can’t have high standards, now, can we?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    You mean hate standards?
    , @Dirk Dagger
    In Ms. Firewatcher's defense, books are a known danger.
  11. $1000 says she’s a NAM.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    NAM and apparently tranny as well.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/08/fdny-recruit-finally-graduates-thanks-to-instructors-help/

    You win!

    Now hand it over to her as her untaxed income for life for your crime of her being a lardass with brittle bones! (That's pretty common in high testosterone women, isn't it?)

    , @Joe Magarac
  12. Hopefully this a spark for gay and trans firefighters which will spread like wild fire.

  13. The operative word in her disability pension is “tax free”. So, basically $57,000 per year and still keeps her health care. I think, and I may be wrong, that she would pay no property tax in NYS and no US tax either.

    • Replies: @EriK
    Wrong about the property tax, but right about the US income tax.
  14. Maybe she faked it to get that free disability.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Shawn___ said, "Maybe she faked it to get that free disability".

    Ya think?
  15. All the fire fighters I know just cook all day or run catering services on the side. I think the gals will be fine. How much does a chafing dish weigh?

    Fire suppression systems are just too good nowadays.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Out here on the left coast they are all real estate developers on the side.
    , @Bill Jones
    Some 70% of the Firemen in the country are volunteers.
    It's only the cities and surrounding environs that are prey to the parasites.
    , @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!
  16. In my line of work I see people’s full income. The percentage of incomes in the US that are unearned or some type of scam (usually completely legal) is shocking.

    I have yet to see a person even slightly embarrassed by their income source. Many of them should be.

    • Replies: @Noumenon72
    Are these mostly disability payments and lawsuit funds, or something more interesting?
  17. Hits the ghetto-lottery almost immediately. If she were just a welfare recipient, which is what she primarily is, the payout would be much less each month. Now it’s bigger bucks thanks to the taxpayers. Even were the name not a tipoff you would just know she was black.

  18. @Reg Cæsar
    In my city, commercial apartment units are regularly inspected by the fire department. The most annoying inspector was a woman, who didn't like all he newspapers and books in my place. (I got rid of the papers, but kept the books.)

    This is the sort of bureaucratic position women can easily fill. Watch for their number to increase.

    Actually, my city had one of the most prominent sex discrimination cases after NYC. Seems our standards were so high, they were literally illegal.

    Can't have high standards, now, can we?

    You mean hate standards?

  19. You guys have this all wrong, as usual. Here’s an article by a battalion chief, who comes down hard on gender discrimination and the importance of having the right culture set at the top:

    http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-167/issue-4/features/women-in-the-fire-service-a-diverse-culture-leads-to-a-successful-culture.html

    After checking LinkedIn, I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.

    I should think that having the right stance on this vital issue is very important – to your career, anyway. Snarky articles on “firewatchers” could be holding men back from advancement all over the country.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.
     
    Funny, well done Anon7.

    There's a convenient shorthand for "Master's degree in public administration" --> "useless eater".

    ~~~

    It's sad that even with all the checks and balances we've lost our republic.

    We have an entire political party that is devoted to promoting and expanding parasitism. While, the remaining productive white guys who provide for their families while feeding all the parasites as well, can't even get one party that's their own.

    I don't begrudge people living how they want to live. If they don't want a border, want to have thugs free to punch police, think blacks should be free to create classroom chaos, enjoy passive-aggressive muslim nonsense, want to have kids out of wedlock, love living by vibrant refugees or section 8 neighbors, like lots of PC makework jobs for women ... fine! But do it on your own dime. Ask moneybags George Soros to pay for it. Let's see how far his billions go when *he* is paying for the policies he shills.

    What's not ok, is enslaving my people--productive white people--to living this way, and paying for this.

    Slavery, serfdom are supposed to be over. We need to separate from the parasites and have our own republic.
  20. My great-uncle died in the line of duty as a NYC fireman. My uncle (not great, but a great guy, despite working for the mob in his younger days) has the log to prove it.

    So, you know what? F*ck these AA hires. They are spitting in the face of every dumb ass Mick who ever ran into a burning building.

  21. The NYPD however, had a heroic female who died. Her husband was a bit miffed recently about how silly our country has become in the 14 years since:

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/family-of-911-hero-refuses-award-over-caitlyn-jenner/

  22. Was it urban legend that many of the P.O.C. Firefighters ran the other way when the towers were burning? What breakdown by race to death ratios vs overall in the responding units?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If the POC firefighters ran away from the fires on 9/11, that would have made them the smart ones. Unlikely.
  23. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Steve U R such a downer….today is the beginning of Advent, as I learned at my local Starbucks. Celebrate with this lovely bit of Americana:

    It has EVERYTHING. Sexism, racism, cultural appropriation, Mexicans in sombreros, subtropical yelping in the background, otherization, objectification, “Jose.” This song is a living macroaggression.

    And it’s a great song!!!

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @candid_observer
    And even on the gender front it's a modern day abomination.

    The woman is a classic sexually manipulative minx.

    Ah, good times.
    , @poolside

    And it’s a great song!!!

     

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.
  24. Getting off the truck, Doirin-Holder missed a step and landed on her left foot, suffering a fracture

    Of all the unqualified women of color out there, couldn’t they have at least hired one that wasn’t obese?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I think the oligarchs of the Western World have decided to turn the whole of Wester Civilization into a huge Monty Python sketch.

    Now, you have to agree, it would be much less funny if she wasn't 40 years old and obese, too.
  25. Man, I love that NYP

    Hassid offs self after forced marriage to first cousin.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/24/sister-found-hanged-was-forced-to-marry-her-first-cousin/

    One Santiago Taveras, principal, fixes grades for failing DeWitt Clinton High students

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/principal-fixes-failing-grades-behind-teachers-backs-staff/

    Hobos prove to much for once proud Little Italy

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/vagrants-who-ruined-holiday-event-still-rule-neighborhood/

    • Replies: @Cracker
    I remember "Headless Body Found in Topless Bar"
  26. The Nov 23, 2015 Wall Street Journal article, “New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color” reports the New York City is spending $16.5 million dollars to recruit and retain nonwhite male teachers. They want 1000 more nonwhite male teachers by 2017. Black, Hispanic, and Asian males make up 43% of students but only 8.3% of teachers. (WSJ refused to use the term minority).

    This quote ties in nicely with the FDNY article:

    “Our teaching force does not look like the students in the classroom,” said Richard Buery, deputy mayor for strategic policy initiatives. “The city’s workforce should look like the city.”

    Some problems:
    -Male teachers are usually called on to deal with dangerous students. NYC is currently removing metal detectors from schools and students can now bring cell phones to class.
    -Blacks and Hispanics have great difficulty passing the licensing exams and have filed lawsuits claiming racial bias. Judge Kimba Wood recently ruled that the latest set of criteria is not racially biased.
    -Schools are always desperate for STEM teachers. If Asians men didn’t grab those jobs during the recession, that means they don’t want them. None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,

    Solution:
    Women should marry before having children and their husbands can mentor their own children.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    "New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color."

    Puts me in mind of the Key & Peele routine "Substitute Teacher," in which a black male teacher calls roll in a class of middle-class white kids:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
    , @athEIst
    Judge Kimba Wood .
    She is still around. This woman was Clinton's second choice for Attorney General. The first. Zoe Baird failed to make it because she and her husband had hired an illegal alien as a nanny(illegal) and had not paid her SS taxes(illegal). But Kimba Wood had done the same. So now Kimba is reading the law for us, but apparently had not done so for herself. Maybe H. Clinton can appoint her AG. Her kids have grown up and don't need a nanny anymore.
    p.s. his third choice had no need for a nanny.
    , @ren

    None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,
     
    So, who is going to end up with the money?

    Let me guess, females who do the paperwork and other light work of recruiting. Beats actually being stuck in classrooms with out of control kids.
  27. She is too fat to be a fire fighter. This was also reported at Fat People Hate. http://www.voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    She joined the fire department as a weight-loss scheme.

    She was hoping to be partially rendered down as she watched the pretty fires.
  28. “Choeurlyne”? Combined with the usual uppity middle class black convention of the hyphenated last name, it’s obviously striving for pretentiousness.

    Why aren’t blacks embarrassed to name their kids the way Steve names KQuuhddaphee? Is it meant as some sort of cosmic joke?

  29. @M_Young
    Man, I love that NYP

    Hassid offs self after forced marriage to first cousin.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/24/sister-found-hanged-was-forced-to-marry-her-first-cousin/

    One Santiago Taveras, principal, fixes grades for failing DeWitt Clinton High students

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/principal-fixes-failing-grades-behind-teachers-backs-staff/

    Hobos prove to much for once proud Little Italy

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/vagrants-who-ruined-holiday-event-still-rule-neighborhood/

    I remember “Headless Body Found in Topless Bar”

  30. An essential difference between “Feminism” and “Suffragism” is that the Suffrage is but part of the greater propaganda; while Suffragism desires to remove an inequality, Feminism purports to alter radically the mental attitudes of men and women. The sexes are to be induced to recognize each other’s status, and to bring this recognition to such a point that equality will not even be challenged. Thus Feminists are interested rather in ideas than in facts; if, for instance, they wish to make accessible to women the profession of barrister, it is not because they wish women to practice as barristers, but because they want men to view without surprise the fact that women may be barristers. And they have no use for knightliness and chivalry.

    – Feminist Intentions, WL George, 1913

    http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/50742/

    There’s another passage in it about how the Republican party was toppled in the previous election for not being supportive enough of the feminist demand for equal wages. Nothing new under the sun really.

    Once upon a time, even nytimes found it loony.

    “And so there are no men and there are no women!” Prof. Sedgwick repeated. “That ‘revolutionary biological principle,’ as W.L. George calls it, might be briefly dismissed as a bad dream were it not for the fact that it is a concise though exaggerated presentation of a hazy notion held by many women and some men that the fundamental and characteristic differences that now exist between the sexes are the result of different upbringing, of different environment. ‘Bring boys and girls up by the same method, let them as men and women have the same interests and occupations,’ say these people, ‘and in a few generations there will be no difference between the sexes except one of anatomy.’ Physiology will disappear and even anatomy will hide its head, ashamed that it still survives.”

    – Feminist Revolutionary Principle is Biological Bosh, 1914

  31. @WhatEvvs
    Steve U R such a downer....today is the beginning of Advent, as I learned at my local Starbucks. Celebrate with this lovely bit of Americana:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-QsTqPpNE

    It has EVERYTHING. Sexism, racism, cultural appropriation, Mexicans in sombreros, subtropical yelping in the background, otherization, objectification, "Jose." This song is a living macroaggression.

    And it's a great song!!!

    And even on the gender front it’s a modern day abomination.

    The woman is a classic sexually manipulative minx.

    Ah, good times.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Like I said, it's got everything. It's heterosexist, patriarchal, and discriminates brutally against African-Americans...when does it end?
  32. @Reg Cæsar
    In my city, commercial apartment units are regularly inspected by the fire department. The most annoying inspector was a woman, who didn't like all he newspapers and books in my place. (I got rid of the papers, but kept the books.)

    This is the sort of bureaucratic position women can easily fill. Watch for their number to increase.

    Actually, my city had one of the most prominent sex discrimination cases after NYC. Seems our standards were so high, they were literally illegal.

    Can't have high standards, now, can we?

    In Ms. Firewatcher’s defense, books are a known danger.

  33. America’s victim class is its new nobility. Everybody wants to hop on the victim bandwagon because becoming a victim entitles you to certain rights, privileges and benefits denied to non-victims. Yeah, it is kind of an Orwellian use of the word, but so what. The corruption of language is part and parcel of the Great Cult of Diversity.

  34. @Chris Adams
    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren't capable of doing? Insanity. Or just going after benefits/worker's comp.? Either way, much ado about nothing.

    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren’t capable of doing?

    ¡Jeb¡ must hear this a lot.

  35. […] [email protected] (VD) In a development that no one could ever have possibly foreseen, FDNY is down one firefighter:Firefighter who flunked physical injured 10 days into […]

  36. How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    chow line
    , @Mr. Anon
    "How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?"

    Probably like "Charlene" but with all the extra letters her baby-momma gave her, because she's such a special little flower.
    , @WhatEvvs

    How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?
     
    Yas'm. No'm.
  37. @Shouting Thomas
    How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?

    chow line

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    That's good.
  38. @Shawn___
    Maybe she faked it to get that free disability.

    Shawn___ said, “Maybe she faked it to get that free disability”.

    Ya think?

  39. Maybe Choeurlyne can get a job working at Avis Rent-A-Car with Shamoura.

  40. @Triumph104
    The Nov 23, 2015 Wall Street Journal article, "New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color" reports the New York City is spending $16.5 million dollars to recruit and retain nonwhite male teachers. They want 1000 more nonwhite male teachers by 2017. Black, Hispanic, and Asian males make up 43% of students but only 8.3% of teachers. (WSJ refused to use the term minority).

    This quote ties in nicely with the FDNY article:

    “Our teaching force does not look like the students in the classroom,” said Richard Buery, deputy mayor for strategic policy initiatives. “The city’s workforce should look like the city.”
     
    Some problems:
    -Male teachers are usually called on to deal with dangerous students. NYC is currently removing metal detectors from schools and students can now bring cell phones to class.
    -Blacks and Hispanics have great difficulty passing the licensing exams and have filed lawsuits claiming racial bias. Judge Kimba Wood recently ruled that the latest set of criteria is not racially biased.
    -Schools are always desperate for STEM teachers. If Asians men didn't grab those jobs during the recession, that means they don't want them. None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,

    Solution:
    Women should marry before having children and their husbands can mentor their own children.

    “New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color.”

    Puts me in mind of the Key & Peele routine “Substitute Teacher,” in which a black male teacher calls roll in a class of middle-class white kids:

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I knew of Key & Peele but never gave it a chance. A friend showed me this very sketch and I was instantly hooked. It was the most, I guess -- transgressive thing I had seen in a long time.

    Of course only two black guys could get away with this level of political incorrectness.
  41. You just wonder when the gravy train ends. An amazing amount of money coming in every month. Is it really tax free? You don’t have to real estate taxes if you’re a firefighter in some states?

    http://nypost.com/2015/02/22/seventy-percent-of-fdnys-females-are-retiring-on-disability/

    • Replies: @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.
  42. @Anon7
    You guys have this all wrong, as usual. Here's an article by a battalion chief, who comes down hard on gender discrimination and the importance of having the right culture set at the top:

    http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-167/issue-4/features/women-in-the-fire-service-a-diverse-culture-leads-to-a-successful-culture.html

    After checking LinkedIn, I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.

    I should think that having the right stance on this vital issue is very important - to your career, anyway. Snarky articles on "firewatchers" could be holding men back from advancement all over the country.

    I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.

    Funny, well done Anon7.

    There’s a convenient shorthand for “Master’s degree in public administration” –> “useless eater”.

    ~~~

    It’s sad that even with all the checks and balances we’ve lost our republic.

    We have an entire political party that is devoted to promoting and expanding parasitism. While, the remaining productive white guys who provide for their families while feeding all the parasites as well, can’t even get one party that’s their own.

    I don’t begrudge people living how they want to live. If they don’t want a border, want to have thugs free to punch police, think blacks should be free to create classroom chaos, enjoy passive-aggressive muslim nonsense, want to have kids out of wedlock, love living by vibrant refugees or section 8 neighbors, like lots of PC makework jobs for women … fine! But do it on your own dime. Ask moneybags George Soros to pay for it. Let’s see how far his billions go when *he* is paying for the policies he shills.

    What’s not ok, is enslaving my people–productive white people–to living this way, and paying for this.

    Slavery, serfdom are supposed to be over. We need to separate from the parasites and have our own republic.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, ben tillman
    • Replies: @rod1963
    Problem is too many whites had their head up their collective asses for too long. Look if the average white sports fan got half as upset over government corruption and social engineering none of this would be happening.

    It's even more shameful they worship a bunch of dim witted blacks who can barely spell their own name. It's really sad when whites can come together over a stupid sport but immediately atomize over threats and abuses by their government.

    And when it comes to the government most whites prefer to get on their knees when it comes to the Feds edicts and threats down their throats that destroys their family and future instead of raising 3 kinds of hell with them.

    As it is, it won't end well for whites in the U.S.
    , @Ethel
    Parasitism, the first refuge of a parasite.
    , @Anon7
    "I don’t begrudge people living how they want to live... But do it on your own dime... What’s not ok, is enslaving my people–productive white people–to living this way, and paying for this."

    Yup. I've been trying to explain this to the liberal, well-educated, affluent white women I know (I think a lot of the guys already get it). I point it out every time I see that EBT cards are allowed in transactions - "That's your money, you know. For whatever the holder wants."

    When they start getting warm and fuzzy about promising every woman the Life of Julia, I point them to an interesting interview done on NPR. They interviewed a 30 year-old white woman who has three children by three different fathers, all felons. This woman has never had a job and has no skills and has no plans to get any. She says "Society can't criticize my choices." Then she says "Society is obligated to support my choices."

    Then I turn to these women and ask them what they were doing in their twenties. (They were working their asses off in grad school, and most of them work 50+ hours per week now.) When they answer, I say "Well, it's a good thing you worked so hard and got good jobs, because this woman who spent her twenties partying and having unprotected sex with felons needs you to pay for her and her illegitimate kids - for life."

    It's amazing how many just look at me in shock, and have nothing feminist or critical to say back.

    We've got to convince these people to stop their knee-jerk support of Democrats and their parasite-friendly policies.
  43. And even “volunteer”firefighter getting “modest” pensions!

    http://www.wired.com/2015/01/course-give-volunteer-firefighters-tax-break/

    Interesting that fire deaths continue to drop.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/01/fdny-no-fire-deaths/

  44. “Since she was injured on duty, she is eligible for a disability pension that would pay three-quarters of her annual salary, tax-free, if deemed unfit to return.”

    For the rest of her life? A $57,000 pension – tax free – for 10 days of work? Sounds like she drew a winning ticket in the grievance lottery.

  45. @Shouting Thomas
    How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?

    “How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?”

    Probably like “Charlene” but with all the extra letters her baby-momma gave her, because she’s such a special little flower.

  46. @WhatEvvs
    Steve U R such a downer....today is the beginning of Advent, as I learned at my local Starbucks. Celebrate with this lovely bit of Americana:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-QsTqPpNE

    It has EVERYTHING. Sexism, racism, cultural appropriation, Mexicans in sombreros, subtropical yelping in the background, otherization, objectification, "Jose." This song is a living macroaggression.

    And it's a great song!!!

    And it’s a great song!!!

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Yes, Boyce & Hart wrote some great songs for the Monkees (no sarcasm). Jay & the Americans (microaggression!) had some wonderful hits.

    The lyrics for Come A Little Bit Closer are clever and well-crafted, not to mention, the tune is catchy. And Jay really could sing.

    Those were the days.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.

     

    Boyce wrote a songwriting text with the indie publisher Melvin Powers. Powers, in his 50s or 60s, crowed that he never knew how easy it was to write songs. (Yes, they were country western.) Boyce later blew his brains out, as did Del Shannon.

    Wes Farrell is not to be confused with Wes Ferrell, the greatest hitter among major league pitchers. He hit better than Ruth did in his pitching days, and hit more homers than Drysdale (though a couple came while injured and playing second base, so Don may still be the official record holder.) His brother, also a major leaguer, may have been the only Rick in the United States before Casablanca.

    As for Farrell, was he the villain who fired the Cowsills from the show because they wouldn't replace their mother with Shirley Jones?
  47. “she is eligible for a disability pension that would pay three-quarters of her annual salary, tax-free, if deemed unfit to return.” Incentives matter.

  48. Government intervention usually has the exact opposite of the intended effect. Subsidizing healthcare, education, or the purchase of a mortgage makes prices go up, which in turn calls for more subsidies.

    But this also happens with most if not all affirmative action programs. As designed they are supposed to integrate and lead to more racial harmony. And if they were merely supposed to favor equally qualified blacks or women over their white male counterparts it would have the desired effect. And yes, there would be grumblings from the “dumb micks” as one poster eloquently put it. But not much.

    Unfortunately, as it stands, whether in most selective universities or the NYFD, much less qualified blacks and women are chosen over their white male counterparts. (And as far as blacks over asian in the ivy league, what’s the SAT difference, 400 points or so?) And all this can do is lead to racial animosity. As felt by me and I assume a large readership of this blog.

    Although the official unemployment rate is low, the labor force participation rate is at multi-decade lows. So when the economy is doing poorly, as it is for white men in the working age demographic, it’s not surprising that stories like this make my blood boil.

  49. @Chris Adams
    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren't capable of doing? Insanity. Or just going after benefits/worker's comp.? Either way, much ado about nothing.

    Benefits, I would guess.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.

    • Replies: @fnn
    He´ll probably be promoted rapidly. One of recurring themes of G. Gordon Liddy's old radio show was how dumb prison guards tended to be. That famous prison movie of recent years (everybody here knows the name except me) made the same point.
    , @athEIst
    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo's house to build a magnificent revenue-generating....er....trash-strewn vacant lot.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.
     
    They could have used him in Dannemora. At the Clinton Correctional Facility.
  50. @Oaklanders
    She is too fat to be a fire fighter. This was also reported at Fat People Hate. www.voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate

    She joined the fire department as a weight-loss scheme.

    She was hoping to be partially rendered down as she watched the pretty fires.

  51. @Danindc
    All the fire fighters I know just cook all day or run catering services on the side. I think the gals will be fine. How much does a chafing dish weigh?

    Fire suppression systems are just too good nowadays.

    Out here on the left coast they are all real estate developers on the side.

  52. @Olorin
    "...if deemed unfit to return..."

    But she was never fit for the job in the first place.

    Oh, I get it. It's the penultimate move in the affirmative action game plan: hire absolutely unqualified people, let them fall on their faces, then pay then 75% of their salary forever to go away. Plus all the health care and stuff.

    The last move, of course, is to just give them $57,000 a year, or whatever the local median income is, for being black, female, etc. No wonder Obama wants to Affirmatively Further Fair Housing. Get enough of them in areas where the median income is high, and their salary for doing nothing goes up. Black income problem solved! Right? RIGHT?

    Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.

    Why not have some variation of that for public sector jobs, including a moral hazard component?

    Pensioning off “injured” newbies is just fraud.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    I do agree, having done some time as a civil servant (K-12 and higher ed policy/performance research/analysis) myself. There were probationary periods for every job I had--usually more like 12 months.

    But you see, if one is fraud-inclined and AA-hired, it is just as easy to wait till the probation is over to exhibit one's symptoms and resume the pursuit of "justice."

    I saw multiple females, for instance, get hired on an AA basis in more male fields who waited till day 366 to announce they were pregnant with "problem pregnancies" and needed to retire to their fainting couches for the next one to two years. They were thus multiply not fire-able (female, pregnant, sick), they continued to draw pay, and other workers were expected to do their jobs for free in addition to their own.

    I actually witnessed (and spoke out strongly against) a white man in his 30s who was stuck with a piker-chick's job duties atop his own. When she came back--with the fruit of her loins declared a Child With A Disability (thus triggering other categories of AA and bling)--she got her job back, and he got fired for not having met certain responsibilities in his.

    Actually, he was fired for being a white guy who lacked the political acumen to navigate the Scylla of diversity and Charybdis of "social justice."

    This happened in the mid-1990s.

    , @Horzabky
    I've been a French civil servant for three decades. There's a one year probationary period in France. If you're unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It's almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for "faute lourde", that's to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I've known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It's great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can't be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It's incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won't work for any reason, and you can't fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don't get promoted, and faster please, it's because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don't trust their subordinates. They'll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they'll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife's country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who's that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can't be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They'll turn Germany into what it's already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can't produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.
    , @Dr. X
    "Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs."

    Public sector employers have probationary periods, too. They're used to root out and fire straight white males who refuse to go along with the gender/race/gay/trans "diversity" scams. Probationary periods don't apply to minorities, gays and females.
  53. “Back when I was in my 20s and broke, I was a little scared of the cops, all right?” Tarantino told ­Maher. “And oftentimes, I had warrants out on me for traffic stuff that I never took care of and everything . . . I’d get stopped, and I’d have to do eight days in county jail.”

    Not one of his stays in the county jail is documented which is a conspiracy by Sailerites and others (including Charles Widmore!) to detract from the hardships that he suffered in his imagination.

    Oddly enough, I find Tarantino’s story strangely appropriate. When I hear him speak, that’s exactly the kind of lifestyle I think appropriate for him.

    That said, he might be talking about LAPD, in which case, all bets are off; from where I’m sitting, it looks like LAPD are a bunch of trigger-happy psychos.

  54. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Shouting Thomas
    How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?

    How in the hell do you pronounce that name? Choeurlyne?

    Yas’m. No’m.

  55. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @poolside

    And it’s a great song!!!

     

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.

    Yes, Boyce & Hart wrote some great songs for the Monkees (no sarcasm). Jay & the Americans (microaggression!) had some wonderful hits.

    The lyrics for Come A Little Bit Closer are clever and well-crafted, not to mention, the tune is catchy. And Jay really could sing.

    Those were the days.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    the Monkees (no sarcasm)

    They get a surprising amount of airplay on the Sirius/XM Underground Garage channel hosted by Steven Van Zandt - guitarist for the Boss.

    http://www.siriusxm.com/undergroundgarage
  56. @International Jew

    Getting off the truck, Doirin-Holder missed a step and landed on her left foot, suffering a fracture
     
    Of all the unqualified women of color out there, couldn't they have at least hired one that wasn't obese?

    I think the oligarchs of the Western World have decided to turn the whole of Wester Civilization into a huge Monty Python sketch.

    Now, you have to agree, it would be much less funny if she wasn’t 40 years old and obese, too.

    • Replies: @wren
    "Emily E. Smith is a fifth-grade social justice and English language arts teacher at Cunningham Elementary School in Austin, Tex. "

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/11/24/teacher-a-student-told-me-i-couldnt-understand-because-i-was-a-white-lady-heres-what-i-did-then/?tid=pm_pop_b

  57. @Bob123
    You just wonder when the gravy train ends. An amazing amount of money coming in every month. Is it really tax free? You don't have to real estate taxes if you're a firefighter in some states?

    http://nypost.com/2015/02/22/seventy-percent-of-fdnys-females-are-retiring-on-disability/

    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I’m sure there’s a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    • Replies: @EriK
    It's a huge problem and not just in NYC.
    , @Bugg
    Grant you FDNY can in moments be a very hard job. But there is also a lot of down time consisting mostly of washing the trucks, cooking, working out and sleeping.It's a good job for middle class men, certainly way better than being a cop. And I think they should get a decent pension.

    Having said all the, disability pension scams are legion and cross over every ethnic group. And given FDNY's makeup that includes a lot of Irish and Italian guys. If you can run a marathon and further run up the Empire State Building, hard to argue you are disabled. Yet John McLaughlin's disability status stands. Which means he gets 75% of his last year's full salary completely tax free and is not in any way precluded from working nor is his tax free pension capped.

    http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread-print.cfm?threadid=384232&forum=1

    , @MarkinLA
    From stories I have read, almost every CHP (California Highway Patrol) captain has managed to end their career on disability.
    , @Danindc
    Vast majority of it is fraud. My buddy did it. He retired at 42 with 120% pension instead of 80% by taking a dive. He said most of the guys do it. Not good.
    , @Patrick in SC
    Getting a check for "disability" is the new "American dream." Florida is crawling with former NY firefighters and cops collecting disability while waterskiing or remodeling condos. They're otherwise fairly agreeable chaps (hardworking, politically conservative). Same goes for ex-military. If you drove a truck during Desert Storm or something you can now claim a 25% impairment to your back and get a check from Uncle Sam. No one speaks out against this sort of thing because a) "Support the Troops" and b) nearly everyone believes that an MRI showing a "herniated disc" is proof of a real injury (it isn't).
  58. @AnotherDad

    I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.
     
    Funny, well done Anon7.

    There's a convenient shorthand for "Master's degree in public administration" --> "useless eater".

    ~~~

    It's sad that even with all the checks and balances we've lost our republic.

    We have an entire political party that is devoted to promoting and expanding parasitism. While, the remaining productive white guys who provide for their families while feeding all the parasites as well, can't even get one party that's their own.

    I don't begrudge people living how they want to live. If they don't want a border, want to have thugs free to punch police, think blacks should be free to create classroom chaos, enjoy passive-aggressive muslim nonsense, want to have kids out of wedlock, love living by vibrant refugees or section 8 neighbors, like lots of PC makework jobs for women ... fine! But do it on your own dime. Ask moneybags George Soros to pay for it. Let's see how far his billions go when *he* is paying for the policies he shills.

    What's not ok, is enslaving my people--productive white people--to living this way, and paying for this.

    Slavery, serfdom are supposed to be over. We need to separate from the parasites and have our own republic.

    Problem is too many whites had their head up their collective asses for too long. Look if the average white sports fan got half as upset over government corruption and social engineering none of this would be happening.

    It’s even more shameful they worship a bunch of dim witted blacks who can barely spell their own name. It’s really sad when whites can come together over a stupid sport but immediately atomize over threats and abuses by their government.

    And when it comes to the government most whites prefer to get on their knees when it comes to the Feds edicts and threats down their throats that destroys their family and future instead of raising 3 kinds of hell with them.

    As it is, it won’t end well for whites in the U.S.

  59. @Jim Don Bob
    $1000 says she's a NAM.

    NAM and apparently tranny as well.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/08/fdny-recruit-finally-graduates-thanks-to-instructors-help/

    You win!

    Now hand it over to her as her untaxed income for life for your crime of her being a lardass with brittle bones! (That’s pretty common in high testosterone women, isn’t it?)

  60. @reiner Tor
    I think the oligarchs of the Western World have decided to turn the whole of Wester Civilization into a huge Monty Python sketch.

    Now, you have to agree, it would be much less funny if she wasn't 40 years old and obese, too.

    “Emily E. Smith is a fifth-grade social justice and English language arts teacher at Cunningham Elementary School in Austin, Tex. ”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/11/24/teacher-a-student-told-me-i-couldnt-understand-because-i-was-a-white-lady-heres-what-i-did-then/?tid=pm_pop_b

  61. @Ivy
    Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.

    Why not have some variation of that for public sector jobs, including a moral hazard component?

    Pensioning off "injured" newbies is just fraud.

    I do agree, having done some time as a civil servant (K-12 and higher ed policy/performance research/analysis) myself. There were probationary periods for every job I had–usually more like 12 months.

    But you see, if one is fraud-inclined and AA-hired, it is just as easy to wait till the probation is over to exhibit one’s symptoms and resume the pursuit of “justice.”

    I saw multiple females, for instance, get hired on an AA basis in more male fields who waited till day 366 to announce they were pregnant with “problem pregnancies” and needed to retire to their fainting couches for the next one to two years. They were thus multiply not fire-able (female, pregnant, sick), they continued to draw pay, and other workers were expected to do their jobs for free in addition to their own.

    I actually witnessed (and spoke out strongly against) a white man in his 30s who was stuck with a piker-chick’s job duties atop his own. When she came back–with the fruit of her loins declared a Child With A Disability (thus triggering other categories of AA and bling)–she got her job back, and he got fired for not having met certain responsibilities in his.

    Actually, he was fired for being a white guy who lacked the political acumen to navigate the Scylla of diversity and Charybdis of “social justice.”

    This happened in the mid-1990s.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Speak the truth, Bro'. Around 2005 or so I dealt with a department head on campus who couldn't distinguish a photographer's credit line at the bottom of a published photo from the copyright permission granted the publication by the photographer. Her position? Director of Campus Media Services. When she retired a few years later, the write-up in the campus newsletter said she'd spent 33 years in the same department. Her pension will be about $45-$50 thousand annually. (I wish I were making this up.)

    An obvious crony hire, who in the devil was carrying this obnoxious woman for decades? Throw affirmative action into the crony and nepotism (and strongly suspected kickback) mix, and you've got a formula for do-nothing lay-abouts who really do expect to be carried up the food chain. Yeah, might as well say it, it's the white guys who're expected to do the carrying.

    (BTW-my 1%-2% "irregular hire" figure are those who I know to a certainty, or to a high degree of plausibility, were hired for reasons other than merit or seniority. When you count their subordinates who are forced to play ball or else, you've got maybe 10%-20% of the work force that's gone toxic.)
    , @carol
    Why did you speak out against the guy? Were you an SJW yourself at the time?
  62. @Jim Don Bob
    $1000 says she's a NAM.
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    (That! That!)
    Lady looks like a dude
  63. @Chris Adams
    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren't capable of doing? Insanity. Or just going after benefits/worker's comp.? Either way, much ado about nothing.

    oh wait until the hollywood version comes out. She’ll be depicted running past wheezing pale males and carrying children out of burning buildings.

  64. your crime of her being a lardass

    Haha, love it.

    teacher-a-student-told-me-i-couldnt-understand-because-i-was-a-white-lady-heres-what-i-did-then

    I’ll take a wild guess: fell for it?

    I’ve been guilty of that charge. But things changed for me the day when, during a classroom discussion, one of my kids bluntly told me I “couldn’t understand because I was a white lady.” I had to agree with him. I sat there and tried to speak openly about how I could never fully understand and went home and cried, because my children knew about white privilege before I did. The closest I could ever come was empathy.

    Got it in one, whodathunkit. Race-realism has predictive power.

  65. @Olorin
    I do agree, having done some time as a civil servant (K-12 and higher ed policy/performance research/analysis) myself. There were probationary periods for every job I had--usually more like 12 months.

    But you see, if one is fraud-inclined and AA-hired, it is just as easy to wait till the probation is over to exhibit one's symptoms and resume the pursuit of "justice."

    I saw multiple females, for instance, get hired on an AA basis in more male fields who waited till day 366 to announce they were pregnant with "problem pregnancies" and needed to retire to their fainting couches for the next one to two years. They were thus multiply not fire-able (female, pregnant, sick), they continued to draw pay, and other workers were expected to do their jobs for free in addition to their own.

    I actually witnessed (and spoke out strongly against) a white man in his 30s who was stuck with a piker-chick's job duties atop his own. When she came back--with the fruit of her loins declared a Child With A Disability (thus triggering other categories of AA and bling)--she got her job back, and he got fired for not having met certain responsibilities in his.

    Actually, he was fired for being a white guy who lacked the political acumen to navigate the Scylla of diversity and Charybdis of "social justice."

    This happened in the mid-1990s.

    Speak the truth, Bro’. Around 2005 or so I dealt with a department head on campus who couldn’t distinguish a photographer’s credit line at the bottom of a published photo from the copyright permission granted the publication by the photographer. Her position? Director of Campus Media Services. When she retired a few years later, the write-up in the campus newsletter said she’d spent 33 years in the same department. Her pension will be about $45-$50 thousand annually. (I wish I were making this up.)

    An obvious crony hire, who in the devil was carrying this obnoxious woman for decades? Throw affirmative action into the crony and nepotism (and strongly suspected kickback) mix, and you’ve got a formula for do-nothing lay-abouts who really do expect to be carried up the food chain. Yeah, might as well say it, it’s the white guys who’re expected to do the carrying.

    (BTW-my 1%-2% “irregular hire” figure are those who I know to a certainty, or to a high degree of plausibility, were hired for reasons other than merit or seniority. When you count their subordinates who are forced to play ball or else, you’ve got maybe 10%-20% of the work force that’s gone toxic.)

  66. Whenever Americans feel superior to other countries, whenever your friends crow about the US, just remind them of this. We pay salaries like this and that of Luis Guiterrez.

    Can we now ask who is more pathetic, homus floresiensis or homo sapien occidentalis? We might have skyscrapers but we are bigger chumps.

    Think about that tomorrow fellow serfs.

  67. @SFG
    Benefits, I would guess.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.

    He´ll probably be promoted rapidly. One of recurring themes of G. Gordon Liddy’s old radio show was how dumb prison guards tended to be. That famous prison movie of recent years (everybody here knows the name except me) made the same point.

  68. @Buffalo Joe
    The operative word in her disability pension is "tax free". So, basically $57,000 per year and still keeps her health care. I think, and I may be wrong, that she would pay no property tax in NYS and no US tax either.

    Wrong about the property tax, but right about the US income tax.

  69. @unit472
    For God's sake! People are not fungible commodities. This is the same sort of ridiculous reasoning that suggests, because China and Korea can be industrial superpowers, so can the Congo and Kenya. It maybe that some women make excellent police chief's. Washington has Cathy Lanier and Tampa Jane Castor who seem to thrive in what is, basically, an administrative position supervising a large bureaucracy and do not suffer from the limitations of Affirmative Action minority police chiefs but even here they must rise to to their positions in a job that requires, literally, manhandling criminals. A task most men are not able to perform. It is no secret that 'minimum' physical fitness passing scores for military, police and fire personnel are just that. Minimum requirements.That when the SHTF those engaged in life or death battles will have to do more than just meet that minimum level of strength and stamina.

    Are you talking about DC’s Lanier? The one who refuses to approve CCWs cause guns scare her? Lmao

  70. @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    It’s a huge problem and not just in NYC.

  71. @Triumph104
    The Nov 23, 2015 Wall Street Journal article, "New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color" reports the New York City is spending $16.5 million dollars to recruit and retain nonwhite male teachers. They want 1000 more nonwhite male teachers by 2017. Black, Hispanic, and Asian males make up 43% of students but only 8.3% of teachers. (WSJ refused to use the term minority).

    This quote ties in nicely with the FDNY article:

    “Our teaching force does not look like the students in the classroom,” said Richard Buery, deputy mayor for strategic policy initiatives. “The city’s workforce should look like the city.”
     
    Some problems:
    -Male teachers are usually called on to deal with dangerous students. NYC is currently removing metal detectors from schools and students can now bring cell phones to class.
    -Blacks and Hispanics have great difficulty passing the licensing exams and have filed lawsuits claiming racial bias. Judge Kimba Wood recently ruled that the latest set of criteria is not racially biased.
    -Schools are always desperate for STEM teachers. If Asians men didn't grab those jobs during the recession, that means they don't want them. None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,

    Solution:
    Women should marry before having children and their husbands can mentor their own children.

    Judge Kimba Wood .
    She is still around. This woman was Clinton’s second choice for Attorney General. The first. Zoe Baird failed to make it because she and her husband had hired an illegal alien as a nanny(illegal) and had not paid her SS taxes(illegal). But Kimba Wood had done the same. So now Kimba is reading the law for us, but apparently had not done so for herself. Maybe H. Clinton can appoint her AG. Her kids have grown up and don’t need a nanny anymore.
    p.s. his third choice had no need for a nanny.

  72. Firefighting deaths have gone down due to several factors, such as technology and training but also the quality of the human capital.

    It used to be that if someone’s nephew was tired of roofing and the station was short handed, his battalion chief uncle could get him on and OJT him until he got his fire card.

    Now, you’re wasting your time in many cases unless you show up with a fire sciences degree, your EMT (if not paramedic) cert, and some time on a volunteer crew. The standards from 15 to 20 years ago compared to today are unbelievable.

    Credential creep? Perhaps, but you’re definitely getting a lot of people who really REALLY want to be there and are willing to take the job much more seriously.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Firefighters are like airline pilots. In the good old days, airline pilots made a lot of money as compared to the general population. Anyone with a little flight training realized they had, for the most part, a cushy and overpaid life.

    They would tell you-correctly-that on any given day they were way overpaid, but perhaps, once or twice in their career, they would earn their whole career worth of pay in one flight. With superior skills, honed by constant training, they might bring a damaged or failed airplane back to the ground with two or three hundred people aboard without killing them.

    In 1962, what was the total lifetime expected earning of a airline captain as a percentage of the cost of a new jet airliner? What is it today? I've never worked it out but it has to be a lot smaller now.

    Like charting the cost of a front line fighter jet in Cadillacs (at the current new price) since the end of WWII , I'm guessing it's a pretty interesting curve, but one that is not supposed to be pointed out. I think I figured out that the last P-51 Mustangs (a recip airplane, not a jet) were roughly 25 Cadillac airplanes with guns, avionics (such as they were) and engine and prop, the F-102 was roughly 100 Cadillacs and that the F-22 was something like a 1500 Cadillac airplane. Those could be way off since I'm too lazy to really chart it out.

    At any rate, all the firefighters I knew as a kid had two jobs. They worked 24 on , 48 off, and had jobs doing construction, car repair, or in one case I remember one owned a bakery. Those who survived the smoke inhalation and cardiac stresses and lived to old age were very well off unless there had been marriages and divorces or they gambled heavily.
  73. @AnotherDad

    I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.
     
    Funny, well done Anon7.

    There's a convenient shorthand for "Master's degree in public administration" --> "useless eater".

    ~~~

    It's sad that even with all the checks and balances we've lost our republic.

    We have an entire political party that is devoted to promoting and expanding parasitism. While, the remaining productive white guys who provide for their families while feeding all the parasites as well, can't even get one party that's their own.

    I don't begrudge people living how they want to live. If they don't want a border, want to have thugs free to punch police, think blacks should be free to create classroom chaos, enjoy passive-aggressive muslim nonsense, want to have kids out of wedlock, love living by vibrant refugees or section 8 neighbors, like lots of PC makework jobs for women ... fine! But do it on your own dime. Ask moneybags George Soros to pay for it. Let's see how far his billions go when *he* is paying for the policies he shills.

    What's not ok, is enslaving my people--productive white people--to living this way, and paying for this.

    Slavery, serfdom are supposed to be over. We need to separate from the parasites and have our own republic.

    Parasitism, the first refuge of a parasite.

  74. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @candid_observer
    And even on the gender front it's a modern day abomination.

    The woman is a classic sexually manipulative minx.

    Ah, good times.

    Like I said, it’s got everything. It’s heterosexist, patriarchal, and discriminates brutally against African-Americans…when does it end?

  75. @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    Grant you FDNY can in moments be a very hard job. But there is also a lot of down time consisting mostly of washing the trucks, cooking, working out and sleeping.It’s a good job for middle class men, certainly way better than being a cop. And I think they should get a decent pension.

    Having said all the, disability pension scams are legion and cross over every ethnic group. And given FDNY’s makeup that includes a lot of Irish and Italian guys. If you can run a marathon and further run up the Empire State Building, hard to argue you are disabled. Yet John McLaughlin’s disability status stands. Which means he gets 75% of his last year’s full salary completely tax free and is not in any way precluded from working nor is his tax free pension capped.

    http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread-print.cfm?threadid=384232&forum=1

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Pensions and disability are a scam as currently constituted.

    Double and triple dipping should be banned. You should get one pension, period. And disability should be contingent on the idea that one really cannot work, so working-at least in a similar capacity should be barred.

    Teamster truckers used to be barred from barred from commercial driving of trucks whole retired. That was to keep Teamster retirees from competing with active Teamster drivers. An exemption was made for being a truck driver school instructor or a school bus driver in a rural area if the district was not Teamster or one they wanted to be.

    In my area, the cops all retire in twenty years and then go to work as court bailiffs or parks and recreation security and get a second pension. Plus social security and lifetime medical. This should stop.
  76. @SFG
    Benefits, I would guess.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.

    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo’s house to build a magnificent revenue-generating….er….trash-strewn vacant lot.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo’s house to build a magnificent revenue-generating….er….trash-strewn vacant lot.

     

    Eminent domain is one of those bitter pills that come with the Donald Trump cocktail. Despite that, this libation still appears to be the only halfway effective remedy on the market. Like Listerine was, once.
  77. @Jack Hanson
    Firefighting deaths have gone down due to several factors, such as technology and training but also the quality of the human capital.

    It used to be that if someone's nephew was tired of roofing and the station was short handed, his battalion chief uncle could get him on and OJT him until he got his fire card.

    Now, you're wasting your time in many cases unless you show up with a fire sciences degree, your EMT (if not paramedic) cert, and some time on a volunteer crew. The standards from 15 to 20 years ago compared to today are unbelievable.

    Credential creep? Perhaps, but you're definitely getting a lot of people who really REALLY want to be there and are willing to take the job much more seriously.

    Firefighters are like airline pilots. In the good old days, airline pilots made a lot of money as compared to the general population. Anyone with a little flight training realized they had, for the most part, a cushy and overpaid life.

    They would tell you-correctly-that on any given day they were way overpaid, but perhaps, once or twice in their career, they would earn their whole career worth of pay in one flight. With superior skills, honed by constant training, they might bring a damaged or failed airplane back to the ground with two or three hundred people aboard without killing them.

    In 1962, what was the total lifetime expected earning of a airline captain as a percentage of the cost of a new jet airliner? What is it today? I’ve never worked it out but it has to be a lot smaller now.

    Like charting the cost of a front line fighter jet in Cadillacs (at the current new price) since the end of WWII , I’m guessing it’s a pretty interesting curve, but one that is not supposed to be pointed out. I think I figured out that the last P-51 Mustangs (a recip airplane, not a jet) were roughly 25 Cadillac airplanes with guns, avionics (such as they were) and engine and prop, the F-102 was roughly 100 Cadillacs and that the F-22 was something like a 1500 Cadillac airplane. Those could be way off since I’m too lazy to really chart it out.

    At any rate, all the firefighters I knew as a kid had two jobs. They worked 24 on , 48 off, and had jobs doing construction, car repair, or in one case I remember one owned a bakery. Those who survived the smoke inhalation and cardiac stresses and lived to old age were very well off unless there had been marriages and divorces or they gambled heavily.

  78. @SFG
    Benefits, I would guess.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.

    Remember the guy whose IQ was too high to get a job as a cop in New London? He wound up working as a prison guard.

    They could have used him in Dannemora. At the Clinton Correctional Facility.

  79. @athEIst
    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo's house to build a magnificent revenue-generating....er....trash-strewn vacant lot.

    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo’s house to build a magnificent revenue-generating….er….trash-strewn vacant lot.

    Eminent domain is one of those bitter pills that come with the Donald Trump cocktail. Despite that, this libation still appears to be the only halfway effective remedy on the market. Like Listerine was, once.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    When white men had a shot at at least a symbolic corrective action-e.g., the effort to flatten the house of the SCOTUS Justice who voted for such a law-they were too pussified to do even that little. Our survival, should it occur, will be divinely inspired on at least some level, because "deserve" will have had nothing to do with it.
    , @NOTA
    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008--all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    This is basically what politicians do--they get you to attribute all kinds of imaginary virtues and principles to a con man, so you can cast your vote with a smile on your face. Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.
  80. @poolside

    And it’s a great song!!!

     

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.

    Written by the great Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, along with Wes Farrell, who later gained fame as the musical force behind the Partridge Family.

    Boyce wrote a songwriting text with the indie publisher Melvin Powers. Powers, in his 50s or 60s, crowed that he never knew how easy it was to write songs. (Yes, they were country western.) Boyce later blew his brains out, as did Del Shannon.

    Wes Farrell is not to be confused with Wes Ferrell, the greatest hitter among major league pitchers. He hit better than Ruth did in his pitching days, and hit more homers than Drysdale (though a couple came while injured and playing second base, so Don may still be the official record holder.) His brother, also a major leaguer, may have been the only Rick in the United States before Casablanca.

    As for Farrell, was he the villain who fired the Cowsills from the show because they wouldn’t replace their mother with Shirley Jones?

  81. @Olorin
    I do agree, having done some time as a civil servant (K-12 and higher ed policy/performance research/analysis) myself. There were probationary periods for every job I had--usually more like 12 months.

    But you see, if one is fraud-inclined and AA-hired, it is just as easy to wait till the probation is over to exhibit one's symptoms and resume the pursuit of "justice."

    I saw multiple females, for instance, get hired on an AA basis in more male fields who waited till day 366 to announce they were pregnant with "problem pregnancies" and needed to retire to their fainting couches for the next one to two years. They were thus multiply not fire-able (female, pregnant, sick), they continued to draw pay, and other workers were expected to do their jobs for free in addition to their own.

    I actually witnessed (and spoke out strongly against) a white man in his 30s who was stuck with a piker-chick's job duties atop his own. When she came back--with the fruit of her loins declared a Child With A Disability (thus triggering other categories of AA and bling)--she got her job back, and he got fired for not having met certain responsibilities in his.

    Actually, he was fired for being a white guy who lacked the political acumen to navigate the Scylla of diversity and Charybdis of "social justice."

    This happened in the mid-1990s.

    Why did you speak out against the guy? Were you an SJW yourself at the time?

    • Replies: @bomag
    I read it that he spoke out against the situation.
    , @Olorin
    What bomag said. Apologies for the infelicity of expression.

    His error (as he and I unpacked it in the years following) was that he had not learned necessary lessons of mendacity, duplicity, and virtue signalling.

    Within a few years we had both left the Ed Biz for other pursuits.
  82. @Reg Cæsar


    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo’s house to build a magnificent revenue-generating….er….trash-strewn vacant lot.

     

    Eminent domain is one of those bitter pills that come with the Donald Trump cocktail. Despite that, this libation still appears to be the only halfway effective remedy on the market. Like Listerine was, once.

    When white men had a shot at at least a symbolic corrective action-e.g., the effort to flatten the house of the SCOTUS Justice who voted for such a law-they were too pussified to do even that little. Our survival, should it occur, will be divinely inspired on at least some level, because “deserve” will have had nothing to do with it.

  83. @Danindc
    All the fire fighters I know just cook all day or run catering services on the side. I think the gals will be fine. How much does a chafing dish weigh?

    Fire suppression systems are just too good nowadays.

    Some 70% of the Firemen in the country are volunteers.
    It’s only the cities and surrounding environs that are prey to the parasites.

    • Agree: Danindc
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    Some 70% of the Firemen in the country are volunteers.
    It’s only the cities and surrounding environs that are prey to the parasites.

     

    A huge portion of Denmark's firemen work for a private company, Falck. And have for generations.
  84. @Triumph104
    The Nov 23, 2015 Wall Street Journal article, "New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color" reports the New York City is spending $16.5 million dollars to recruit and retain nonwhite male teachers. They want 1000 more nonwhite male teachers by 2017. Black, Hispanic, and Asian males make up 43% of students but only 8.3% of teachers. (WSJ refused to use the term minority).

    This quote ties in nicely with the FDNY article:

    “Our teaching force does not look like the students in the classroom,” said Richard Buery, deputy mayor for strategic policy initiatives. “The city’s workforce should look like the city.”
     
    Some problems:
    -Male teachers are usually called on to deal with dangerous students. NYC is currently removing metal detectors from schools and students can now bring cell phones to class.
    -Blacks and Hispanics have great difficulty passing the licensing exams and have filed lawsuits claiming racial bias. Judge Kimba Wood recently ruled that the latest set of criteria is not racially biased.
    -Schools are always desperate for STEM teachers. If Asians men didn't grab those jobs during the recession, that means they don't want them. None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,

    Solution:
    Women should marry before having children and their husbands can mentor their own children.

    None of the $16.5 million will go towards extra pay,

    So, who is going to end up with the money?

    Let me guess, females who do the paperwork and other light work of recruiting. Beats actually being stuck in classrooms with out of control kids.

  85. @WhatEvvs
    Yes, Boyce & Hart wrote some great songs for the Monkees (no sarcasm). Jay & the Americans (microaggression!) had some wonderful hits.

    The lyrics for Come A Little Bit Closer are clever and well-crafted, not to mention, the tune is catchy. And Jay really could sing.

    Those were the days.

    the Monkees (no sarcasm)

    They get a surprising amount of airplay on the Sirius/XM Underground Garage channel hosted by Steven Van Zandt – guitarist for the Boss.

    http://www.siriusxm.com/undergroundgarage

  86. @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    From stories I have read, almost every CHP (California Highway Patrol) captain has managed to end their career on disability.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    This is why disability pensions among the CHP patrolmen and Sheriff deputies are referred to as "captain pensions" since many police understand it is that particular pension is a scam. Then again it takes very little to get it and then join another police force.

    For example the one deputy who lost a eye in the line of duty, got another cop job with another city in LA country and then proceeded to beat a white homeless man to death. IMS he's doing jail time. Before than he was pulling down a "captains pension" plus his pay with new city employer - so he was banking probably $20k a month or more. Half of it tax free.

    That's nothing compared to the rackets of the prison guards or teachers and principals. Heck education takes up almost half of the state's budget.

    The state is one giant racket.
  87. @Bugg
    Grant you FDNY can in moments be a very hard job. But there is also a lot of down time consisting mostly of washing the trucks, cooking, working out and sleeping.It's a good job for middle class men, certainly way better than being a cop. And I think they should get a decent pension.

    Having said all the, disability pension scams are legion and cross over every ethnic group. And given FDNY's makeup that includes a lot of Irish and Italian guys. If you can run a marathon and further run up the Empire State Building, hard to argue you are disabled. Yet John McLaughlin's disability status stands. Which means he gets 75% of his last year's full salary completely tax free and is not in any way precluded from working nor is his tax free pension capped.

    http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread-print.cfm?threadid=384232&forum=1

    Pensions and disability are a scam as currently constituted.

    Double and triple dipping should be banned. You should get one pension, period. And disability should be contingent on the idea that one really cannot work, so working-at least in a similar capacity should be barred.

    Teamster truckers used to be barred from barred from commercial driving of trucks whole retired. That was to keep Teamster retirees from competing with active Teamster drivers. An exemption was made for being a truck driver school instructor or a school bus driver in a rural area if the district was not Teamster or one they wanted to be.

    In my area, the cops all retire in twenty years and then go to work as court bailiffs or parks and recreation security and get a second pension. Plus social security and lifetime medical. This should stop.

  88. @Bill Jones
    Some 70% of the Firemen in the country are volunteers.
    It's only the cities and surrounding environs that are prey to the parasites.

    Some 70% of the Firemen in the country are volunteers.
    It’s only the cities and surrounding environs that are prey to the parasites.

    A huge portion of Denmark’s firemen work for a private company, Falck. And have for generations.

  89. @Pat Casey
    A speech that stole steve's well-made and once oft-made point (and made a poetic) which Frank Ricci was too humble to give when he got it, on his way to a speaking engagement at a republican convention:

    A philosopher once said something you’ve probably heard: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    Mark Twain slightly disagreed. He said, “History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”

    Thus may we say that those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    What of history is not gone beyond recall is to some extent legend. But some legends carry more truth than others. Here’s a small reminder of one:

    An Emperor aimed to conquer an outnumbered army and overrun their nation. He told them to humble their glory, to lay their blades low. Odds against him but arms borne, the army’s King responded with a dare: “Come and take them.”

    The Battle of Thermopile—when three hundred Spartans made a last stand at a narrow pass to defend their home against ten thousand Persians. Every Spartan soldier died.

    That piece of history is profound because it remembers a timeless truth: at certain crucial moments, men will stare danger down rather than run from it.

    The men and women that I am here today proud to represent believe in that timeless truth. It is a belief kept at the core: Courage is a Virtue.

    It’s been said that courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. I don’t want to sound unbecomingly proud when I say what that something else is to fireman: namely, the safety of strangers.

    I would like to think that I am here addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe; I wish that I could spend the rest of this time talking about What It Takes To Be a Fireman, in the hope that I might light a young heart with the desire to put out flames, to keep strangers safe.

    But that’s not why I’m here today.

    If any of you know who I am, it’s probably because I, along with 19 other firefighters, won a lawsuit against the City of New Haven when five members of the Supreme Court decided we were right.

    Now, it being an election year, with the economy in bad shape, we’ve been hearing a lot of talk about The American Dream. The term gets tossed around so much that we risk seeing the idea become nothing but vague rhetoric. That risk is dangerous, for when an idea becomes that, its meaning is lost. And when the meaning of a defining idea is lost, a nation loses its identity.

    What does the American Dream really mean?

    That Supreme Court case you might know me from, I believe that case was about preserving the true meaning of The American Dream, and by preserving its meaning, keeping it a reality.

    I said that I am not mainly addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe. But I suppose in a way I am.

    You see, I know enough about keeping strangers safe that I passed a test for promotion to management. Those nineteen other firefighters did too. But we were denied our promotions because none of us were the right race.

    I think that the City of New Haven had the wrong idea of what the American Dream means. The American Dream does not mean your ancestry determines your success or failure. That is exactly what the American Dream is defined against. It is what the Founding Fathers wanted this nation to leave behind.

    That test we passed was a measure of our merit. No one who needs to be rescued cares what color a firefighter’s skin is. They care if you’re the one who can save them; they care if you have the ability to save them. In a roundabout way, they care if the American Dream is real.

    Five justices on the Supreme Court agreed with that. Neither of the justices President Obama appointed agreed with that. I think it’s as simple as that.

    Do you want a President who appoints judges who don’t know what the American Dream really means? Or do you want a president who will keep the American Dream a reality by appointing judges who do?

    I would like to end by using this opportunity to dispense an obligation I feel deeply. It is an obligation I feel as an American, but particularly as an American Fireman.

    Those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    Much of remembering the past is the task of memorizing dates and numbers: 480 BC., 300 Spartans.

    That’s from the past. Here’s one from living memory: September 11, 2001, 343 Firemen.

    We hear the date but not the number enough. My obligation is to let you hear the ring of that rhyme; to remind you of that number—three forty three.

     

    The American Dream does not mean your ancestry determines your success or failure.

    Biology need not apply, in his view. Let’s see how that works out.

    Do you want a President who appoints judges who don’t know what the American Dream really means? Or do you want a president who will keep the American Dream a reality by appointing judges who do?

    I do want judges who will “keep the American Dream a reality”. It is probably not the same thing that this speech’s author thinks it is.

  90. @carol
    Why did you speak out against the guy? Were you an SJW yourself at the time?

    I read it that he spoke out against the situation.

  91. @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    Vast majority of it is fraud. My buddy did it. He retired at 42 with 120% pension instead of 80% by taking a dive. He said most of the guys do it. Not good.

  92. @Joe Magarac

    (That! That!)
    Lady looks like a dude

  93. @Mike1
    In my line of work I see people's full income. The percentage of incomes in the US that are unearned or some type of scam (usually completely legal) is shocking.

    I have yet to see a person even slightly embarrassed by their income source. Many of them should be.

    Are these mostly disability payments and lawsuit funds, or something more interesting?

  94. lol, the white student union i created is going viral in AUS. I am now being interviewed by buzz feed. Steve, i will try to get you a mention!

    https://www.facebook.com/Macquarie-University-White-Student-Union-811608522281103/

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Is Macquarie where the outspoken Prof. Andrew Fraser teaches? Are you working with him?

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/university-speaks-out-on-professors-racist-comments/2005/07/26/1122143841599.html

  95. @Blobby5
    Was it urban legend that many of the P.O.C. Firefighters ran the other way when the towers were burning? What breakdown by race to death ratios vs overall in the responding units?

    If the POC firefighters ran away from the fires on 9/11, that would have made them the smart ones. Unlikely.

  96. @MarkinLA
    From stories I have read, almost every CHP (California Highway Patrol) captain has managed to end their career on disability.

    This is why disability pensions among the CHP patrolmen and Sheriff deputies are referred to as “captain pensions” since many police understand it is that particular pension is a scam. Then again it takes very little to get it and then join another police force.

    For example the one deputy who lost a eye in the line of duty, got another cop job with another city in LA country and then proceeded to beat a white homeless man to death. IMS he’s doing jail time. Before than he was pulling down a “captains pension” plus his pay with new city employer – so he was banking probably $20k a month or more. Half of it tax free.

    That’s nothing compared to the rackets of the prison guards or teachers and principals. Heck education takes up almost half of the state’s budget.

    The state is one giant racket.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Desiderius

    That’s nothing compared to the rackets of the prison guards or teachers and principals. Heck education takes up almost half of the state’s budget.

    The state is one giant racket.
     
    Contemporary Progressivism can be understood as a back rationalization for levels of graft and corruption that would usually be culturally inimical to the populations involved in it.
  97. @Jonathan Silber
    "New Push to Hire Male Teachers of Color."

    Puts me in mind of the Key & Peele routine "Substitute Teacher," in which a black male teacher calls roll in a class of middle-class white kids:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw

    I knew of Key & Peele but never gave it a chance. A friend showed me this very sketch and I was instantly hooked. It was the most, I guess — transgressive thing I had seen in a long time.

    Of course only two black guys could get away with this level of political incorrectness.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    Of course only two black guys [Key & Peele] could get away with this level of political incorrectness.

    In fact neither Key nor Peele is black: each has one white parent, which makes them both of course mulattoes.

    Key—the taller, thinner of the duo—is married to a white woman, and Peele is recently engaged to one.
  98. @Ivy
    Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.

    Why not have some variation of that for public sector jobs, including a moral hazard component?

    Pensioning off "injured" newbies is just fraud.

    I’ve been a French civil servant for three decades. There’s a one year probationary period in France. If you’re unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It’s almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for “faute lourde“, that’s to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I’ve known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It’s great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can’t be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It’s incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won’t work for any reason, and you can’t fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don’t get promoted, and faster please, it’s because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don’t trust their subordinates. They’ll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they’ll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife’s country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who’s that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can’t be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They’ll turn Germany into what it’s already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can’t produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Your idea of punishment for people who will not work, yet who cannot be fired (transfer to work under a psycopathic female supervisor), is intriguing. In one American bureaucracy in which I worked, people who did not fit in were transferred to the Lab, which was 20 miles away from the headquarters.

    In the movie Twelve O'Clock High, General Savage had one particular B-17 nicknamed Leper Colony, to which he transferred the most incompetent crew members. Is that perhaps what you had in mind? In the movie Leper Colony never gets shot down, whereas in reality it would probably have been the first aircraft the Luftwaffe would nail. Maybe that was the implicit threat.
    , @5371
    [I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses.]

    It's a very good system when being in charge of this kind of unit isn't itself a career handicap or demerit, but can be the reverse. General Margelov (father of the Soviet paratroops) started out by commanding a punishment batallion.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    My brother worked for a French part of a large European energy company, and at one point he told me that they had laid off a large portion of their French workers. I said I thought it wasn't possible to lay people off in France. He said there's ways. You make their lives Hell and they'll all leave of their own accord.

    Not sure I like this method at all. Honesty from the management would be more welcome, IMO.
    , @scrivener3
    I'm surprised at this view of employment. If you can't be fired why move around some poor employees to a bad team or try to motivate others to work so they can belong? Do you just have some abstract reason to get your job done when nothing whatsoever will be different if you don't get the job done? Is it like the people with hobbies, they just want to build a great miniature train set for their own personal satisfaction?

    Whenever I had a job I exerted effort because it was important to my employer (generally involving directly or indirectly satisfying a customer who could take their money elsewhere) or I could forward my career by helping my employer function better or at least I could keep my job as long as my employer made money with my assistance. I worked to satisfy other people's wants and needs. The money I earned could be used to satisfy my wants and needs as long as other people worked for the same reason.

    Of course in government work, the customer pays at the point of a gun with no choice (taxes), and you produce whatever you want. Why bother to drive your workers to produce - nothing will be different if they do not produce except you work harder than you have to for no reason. I don't understand these other incentives like higher status positions - why not give them out by lottery.

    Oh and I love this:

    It’s great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can’t be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance.
     
    Every independent blogger knows that should there be a system whereby if he performs poorly he would still get thousands of hits and comments it would actually increase performance.
  99. It’s legally impossible to tackle liberal ideology head on – the legal system has decided that sex, race and gender must be made not to matter in work choices, but why not use the sports tactic of seperate teams for men and women. Women in physically demanding roles like combat and fire fighting should be put into their own units, preferably under experienced male supervision.

    This doesn’t legally violate liberal autonomy theory, since it already applies in sports. It’s also championed by many private schools which would get alarmed if the courts shot down fire departments for applying this policy.

  100. @Horzabky
    I've been a French civil servant for three decades. There's a one year probationary period in France. If you're unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It's almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for "faute lourde", that's to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I've known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It's great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can't be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It's incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won't work for any reason, and you can't fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don't get promoted, and faster please, it's because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don't trust their subordinates. They'll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they'll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife's country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who's that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can't be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They'll turn Germany into what it's already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can't produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.

    Your idea of punishment for people who will not work, yet who cannot be fired (transfer to work under a psycopathic female supervisor), is intriguing. In one American bureaucracy in which I worked, people who did not fit in were transferred to the Lab, which was 20 miles away from the headquarters.

    In the movie Twelve O’Clock High, General Savage had one particular B-17 nicknamed Leper Colony, to which he transferred the most incompetent crew members. Is that perhaps what you had in mind? In the movie Leper Colony never gets shot down, whereas in reality it would probably have been the first aircraft the Luftwaffe would nail. Maybe that was the implicit threat.

  101. @Horzabky
    I've been a French civil servant for three decades. There's a one year probationary period in France. If you're unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It's almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for "faute lourde", that's to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I've known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It's great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can't be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It's incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won't work for any reason, and you can't fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don't get promoted, and faster please, it's because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don't trust their subordinates. They'll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they'll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife's country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who's that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can't be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They'll turn Germany into what it's already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can't produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.

    [I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses.]

    It’s a very good system when being in charge of this kind of unit isn’t itself a career handicap or demerit, but can be the reverse. General Margelov (father of the Soviet paratroops) started out by commanding a punishment batallion.

    • Replies: @Salty
    Interesting about GEN Margelov. In the USN the "natural leader" JOs usually get assigned to deck division, which is typically a punishment division for the enlisted men. The most intelligent JOs are billeted as communications officer or anti submarine officer. But the guys with obvious leadership potential go to Deck. Interestingly, they seem to love it, in no small part due to the perverse cachet in such a role.
  102. @rod1963
    This is why disability pensions among the CHP patrolmen and Sheriff deputies are referred to as "captain pensions" since many police understand it is that particular pension is a scam. Then again it takes very little to get it and then join another police force.

    For example the one deputy who lost a eye in the line of duty, got another cop job with another city in LA country and then proceeded to beat a white homeless man to death. IMS he's doing jail time. Before than he was pulling down a "captains pension" plus his pay with new city employer - so he was banking probably $20k a month or more. Half of it tax free.

    That's nothing compared to the rackets of the prison guards or teachers and principals. Heck education takes up almost half of the state's budget.

    The state is one giant racket.

    That’s nothing compared to the rackets of the prison guards or teachers and principals. Heck education takes up almost half of the state’s budget.

    The state is one giant racket.

    Contemporary Progressivism can be understood as a back rationalization for levels of graft and corruption that would usually be culturally inimical to the populations involved in it.

  103. […] GREAT MOMENTS IN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Firewoman allowed to graduate NYC Fire Academy despite flunking physical injured 10 days into job. […]

  104. A TWO-FER!!

    Affirmative action AND permanent disability.

  105. I remember reading years ago that female firefighters were allowed to drag their rescues down the stairs because the average woman couldn’t carry a larger victim.

    That’s OK- the men can do the heavy lifting- while the women get the promotions and pay raises to show “equity”

  106. @Reg Cæsar


    After that he was hired as part of the public purpose of tearing down Suzy Kelo’s house to build a magnificent revenue-generating….er….trash-strewn vacant lot.

     

    Eminent domain is one of those bitter pills that come with the Donald Trump cocktail. Despite that, this libation still appears to be the only halfway effective remedy on the market. Like Listerine was, once.

    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008–all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    This is basically what politicians do–they get you to attribute all kinds of imaginary virtues and principles to a con man, so you can cast your vote with a smile on your face. Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.
     
    He's unlikely to seize property for private purpose while in the White House. He's far more likely to sign an immigration bill (of our preference) in his first fortnight in office (as Warren Harding did) than any other Republican. (As for Democrats, you can't divide by zero.) That assumes we elect a Congress that puts it on his desk.

    For all his flaws, electing Trump is at the moment the best deal on the horizon, as it was with Harding. Better borders and trade treaties would outweigh everything else.

    Supporting the Donald is not a fool's errand. We can always abandon him if he waffles.
    , @MarkinLA
    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008–all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    Not really. You are looking into an unflushed toilet. Trump is simply the turd who looks the least worst.
  107. @Anonymous
    lol, the white student union i created is going viral in AUS. I am now being interviewed by buzz feed. Steve, i will try to get you a mention!

    https://www.facebook.com/Macquarie-University-White-Student-Union-811608522281103/

    Is Macquarie where the outspoken Prof. Andrew Fraser teaches? Are you working with him?

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/university-speaks-out-on-professors-racist-comments/2005/07/26/1122143841599.html

  108. Ah, the glories of affirmative action.

  109. @JackOH
    "The FDNY then gave her a desk job . . .". Maybe 1%-2% of my state university's payroll amounts to "irregular hires" of all sorts. Some have genuine talent and grow into their jobs, but there's no doubt they were pushed to the head of the queue of applicants who may have been equally or more talented.
    Some irregular hires are disasters, but they're kept on and given budgets and administrative responsibilities, because university administrators fear legal action and local political repercussions. Translation: no balls. These disastrous irregular hires, at least as I've seen them, survive by undermining the work of others.
    I don't know the FDNY situation, but government does indeed hire people who can't work, won't work, etc., to satisfy some political equilibrium. It amounts to transfer payments by other means, and it's a nasty business.

    “The FDNY then gave her a desk job . . .”. Maybe 1%-2% of my state university’s payroll amounts to “irregular hires” of all sorts.

    All hires are irregular unless there is a civil service test. Without one the jobs will go to the AA candidates and the personally and politically connected. Especially with an awful job market in the dreaded private sector. These days Michael Dukakis’ phrase “Good jobs at good wages” means gov’t jobs. “Good jobs at good wages” was during the 1988 presidential campaign before NAFTA/WTO and open borders. Back when we had a private sector that did have mass numbers of “Good jobs at good wages”.

    Certain public sector jobs are very desirable to some. Judgeships have been sold for 5-10 thousand in cities like Boston and NY. I don’t know if this still goes on. Older lawyers love being appointed judge, it means a tired 50 year old lawyer can put in 10 years for a tax payer funded pension.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    In my area, which has a long history of public corruption, formal testing is not necessarily a bar to a manager who wants a buddy, relative, political crony, or affirmative action hire. Our local paper reports on occasional hiring scandals, some of which involve bypassing or minimizing test results.

    Agree with you about NAFTA/WTO, as did billionaire H. Ross Perot. These deals seem to be super-socially destabilizing for Americans, and have big-time quantitative and qualitative costs connected with them.
  110. She’s on the payroll due to her contribution to the department’s diversity and her presumed status as a previous victim of hiring discrimination (“third attempt to pass the academy”), not her firefighting competence. There’s no evidence she’s failed at diversifying the department; even if she goes on disability she probably still counts as a ‘unit of diversity’. I heard that’s the next project at CERN — looking for the fundamental, universal particle of diversity.

    Of course it’s all a big scam and a sick joke on taxpayers — more evidence of irresponsible and incompetent governance. But the biggest scam here is the potential disability — because she hurt her ankle and cannot be a firefighter she is nevertheless entitled to a firefighter’s paycheck ad infinitum — as if she cannot do anything else to earn a buck.

    • Replies: @Yakov
    even if she goes on disability she probably still counts as a ‘unit of diversity’.

    So hire her as a unit of diversity and never let her near a fire as a fulltime firewatcher at a rate less than a firefighter and because of this let her work full time in Maccy's or BK.

    You pretend to work we pretend to pay.

    Now where did I hear that before?
  111. @NOTA
    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008--all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    This is basically what politicians do--they get you to attribute all kinds of imaginary virtues and principles to a con man, so you can cast your vote with a smile on your face. Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.

    Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.

    He’s unlikely to seize property for private purpose while in the White House. He’s far more likely to sign an immigration bill (of our preference) in his first fortnight in office (as Warren Harding did) than any other Republican. (As for Democrats, you can’t divide by zero.) That assumes we elect a Congress that puts it on his desk.

    For all his flaws, electing Trump is at the moment the best deal on the horizon, as it was with Harding. Better borders and trade treaties would outweigh everything else.

    Supporting the Donald is not a fool’s errand. We can always abandon him if he waffles.

    • Agree: International Jew
  112. @Lugash
    From that article, around 60% of male firefighters are getting disability as well. I'm sure there's a lot of fraud going on, but I wonder if the NYFD has out of shape male firefighters as well. Compared to my local fire department, they look like pygmies.

    Getting a check for “disability” is the new “American dream.” Florida is crawling with former NY firefighters and cops collecting disability while waterskiing or remodeling condos. They’re otherwise fairly agreeable chaps (hardworking, politically conservative). Same goes for ex-military. If you drove a truck during Desert Storm or something you can now claim a 25% impairment to your back and get a check from Uncle Sam. No one speaks out against this sort of thing because a) “Support the Troops” and b) nearly everyone believes that an MRI showing a “herniated disc” is proof of a real injury (it isn’t).

    • Replies: @rod1963
    That's the reason the VA is so plugged up, everyone and their uncle is claiming either PTSD or physical disability in order to get on the gravy train. They have tens of thousands of guys that were never near combat or violence and yet they're claiming to have PTSD.

    It's so bad some veterans assist groups are now complaining about it, because it impacts those vets who do have legit problems.
  113. @Chris Adams
    Why go to all of this trouble to do something you clearly aren't capable of doing? Insanity. Or just going after benefits/worker's comp.? Either way, much ado about nothing.

    Amplify 57 G tax-free a year for life for this utterly useless cow, with the cost of AA for 100 million Blacks and Mestizos and the immense AA benefit to Jews of being ‘White’ while the real Whites are snowed under by AA, and it’s very much ado about something.

  114. […] Firewatcher update – The Unz Review […]

  115. What do you expect, she’s not even sure what her name is.

  116. Our society has dedicated a large portion of its energy and resources to creating and promoting “firewatchers” from among our female populous. We have combat watchers, and crime watchers, work watchers and thought watchers.
    A vast army of female watchers infest our halls of academia. Entire “disciplines” on campus are composed of a plurality of women whose intellect is below average, and the supermajority cluster about average, far below that required for college level learning. The advanced and terminal degree holders which emerge from that stew, cluster at the low edge of intellect required for basic degrees in real and challenging areas of learning. Yet hold tenure, and sway the content and direction of scholarship in general.
    PMAFT has busied himself pointing out and criticizing the emergence of female tech-watchers who are now infesting STEM and attempting to drive its content and direction. He correctly predicts the dead hand of feminism grinding the gears of technological progress to a halt. As the scholarship-watchers have done to the humanities and the pseudoscience disciplines already.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  117. @Horzabky
    I've been a French civil servant for three decades. There's a one year probationary period in France. If you're unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It's almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for "faute lourde", that's to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I've known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It's great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can't be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It's incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won't work for any reason, and you can't fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don't get promoted, and faster please, it's because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don't trust their subordinates. They'll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they'll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife's country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who's that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can't be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They'll turn Germany into what it's already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can't produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.

    My brother worked for a French part of a large European energy company, and at one point he told me that they had laid off a large portion of their French workers. I said I thought it wasn’t possible to lay people off in France. He said there’s ways. You make their lives Hell and they’ll all leave of their own accord.

    Not sure I like this method at all. Honesty from the management would be more welcome, IMO.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Horzabky's reply calls to mind Varlam Shalamov:

    What I Saw and Learned in the Kolyma Camps
    http://shalamov.ru/en/library/34/1.html

    The argument can be made that honesty doesn't work well for people not hardwired for it, or more accurately who are wired to love the gulag and any smidgen of power they can claim in it.

    Reminds me of this Shalamov quote:

    “I do not owe to the state; I have discharged my civic duty in the hardest conditions: never betraying, never forgetting, and never forgiving. I do not owe “progressive humanity” and its foreign agents as well. I'm bound neither by promises, nor by paroles of honor”.

  118. @Ivy
    Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.

    Why not have some variation of that for public sector jobs, including a moral hazard component?

    Pensioning off "injured" newbies is just fraud.

    “Private employers typically have probationary periods of up to six months where they see if employees are able to do their jobs.”

    Public sector employers have probationary periods, too. They’re used to root out and fire straight white males who refuse to go along with the gender/race/gay/trans “diversity” scams. Probationary periods don’t apply to minorities, gays and females.

  119. @Patrick in SC
    Getting a check for "disability" is the new "American dream." Florida is crawling with former NY firefighters and cops collecting disability while waterskiing or remodeling condos. They're otherwise fairly agreeable chaps (hardworking, politically conservative). Same goes for ex-military. If you drove a truck during Desert Storm or something you can now claim a 25% impairment to your back and get a check from Uncle Sam. No one speaks out against this sort of thing because a) "Support the Troops" and b) nearly everyone believes that an MRI showing a "herniated disc" is proof of a real injury (it isn't).

    That’s the reason the VA is so plugged up, everyone and their uncle is claiming either PTSD or physical disability in order to get on the gravy train. They have tens of thousands of guys that were never near combat or violence and yet they’re claiming to have PTSD.

    It’s so bad some veterans assist groups are now complaining about it, because it impacts those vets who do have legit problems.

  120. @carol
    Why did you speak out against the guy? Were you an SJW yourself at the time?

    What bomag said. Apologies for the infelicity of expression.

    His error (as he and I unpacked it in the years following) was that he had not learned necessary lessons of mendacity, duplicity, and virtue signalling.

    Within a few years we had both left the Ed Biz for other pursuits.

  121. The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008–all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    The difference is the media and establishment loathe Trump and his supporters, while they loved Hussein and his. It’s a big difference. There are only a few reasons either loathes anyone anymore, almost none of them good.

  122. @BenKenobi
    I knew of Key & Peele but never gave it a chance. A friend showed me this very sketch and I was instantly hooked. It was the most, I guess -- transgressive thing I had seen in a long time.

    Of course only two black guys could get away with this level of political incorrectness.

    Of course only two black guys [Key & Peele] could get away with this level of political incorrectness.

    In fact neither Key nor Peele is black: each has one white parent, which makes them both of course mulattoes.

    Key—the taller, thinner of the duo—is married to a white woman, and Peele is recently engaged to one.

  123. @Formerly CARealist
    My brother worked for a French part of a large European energy company, and at one point he told me that they had laid off a large portion of their French workers. I said I thought it wasn't possible to lay people off in France. He said there's ways. You make their lives Hell and they'll all leave of their own accord.

    Not sure I like this method at all. Honesty from the management would be more welcome, IMO.

    Horzabky’s reply calls to mind Varlam Shalamov:

    What I Saw and Learned in the Kolyma Camps
    http://shalamov.ru/en/library/34/1.html

    The argument can be made that honesty doesn’t work well for people not hardwired for it, or more accurately who are wired to love the gulag and any smidgen of power they can claim in it.

    Reminds me of this Shalamov quote:

    “I do not owe to the state; I have discharged my civic duty in the hardest conditions: never betraying, never forgetting, and never forgiving. I do not owe “progressive humanity” and its foreign agents as well. I’m bound neither by promises, nor by paroles of honor”.

  124. @5371
    [I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses.]

    It's a very good system when being in charge of this kind of unit isn't itself a career handicap or demerit, but can be the reverse. General Margelov (father of the Soviet paratroops) started out by commanding a punishment batallion.

    Interesting about GEN Margelov. In the USN the “natural leader” JOs usually get assigned to deck division, which is typically a punishment division for the enlisted men. The most intelligent JOs are billeted as communications officer or anti submarine officer. But the guys with obvious leadership potential go to Deck. Interestingly, they seem to love it, in no small part due to the perverse cachet in such a role.

  125. @AnotherDad

    I note that the writer, one Dave Hollenbach, coincidentally wrote this article, and another on gender equality, in the same year that he finished a masters degree in public administration, and was promoted to his current job.
     
    Funny, well done Anon7.

    There's a convenient shorthand for "Master's degree in public administration" --> "useless eater".

    ~~~

    It's sad that even with all the checks and balances we've lost our republic.

    We have an entire political party that is devoted to promoting and expanding parasitism. While, the remaining productive white guys who provide for their families while feeding all the parasites as well, can't even get one party that's their own.

    I don't begrudge people living how they want to live. If they don't want a border, want to have thugs free to punch police, think blacks should be free to create classroom chaos, enjoy passive-aggressive muslim nonsense, want to have kids out of wedlock, love living by vibrant refugees or section 8 neighbors, like lots of PC makework jobs for women ... fine! But do it on your own dime. Ask moneybags George Soros to pay for it. Let's see how far his billions go when *he* is paying for the policies he shills.

    What's not ok, is enslaving my people--productive white people--to living this way, and paying for this.

    Slavery, serfdom are supposed to be over. We need to separate from the parasites and have our own republic.

    “I don’t begrudge people living how they want to live… But do it on your own dime… What’s not ok, is enslaving my people–productive white people–to living this way, and paying for this.”

    Yup. I’ve been trying to explain this to the liberal, well-educated, affluent white women I know (I think a lot of the guys already get it). I point it out every time I see that EBT cards are allowed in transactions – “That’s your money, you know. For whatever the holder wants.”

    When they start getting warm and fuzzy about promising every woman the Life of Julia, I point them to an interesting interview done on NPR. They interviewed a 30 year-old white woman who has three children by three different fathers, all felons. This woman has never had a job and has no skills and has no plans to get any. She says “Society can’t criticize my choices.” Then she says “Society is obligated to support my choices.”

    Then I turn to these women and ask them what they were doing in their twenties. (They were working their asses off in grad school, and most of them work 50+ hours per week now.) When they answer, I say “Well, it’s a good thing you worked so hard and got good jobs, because this woman who spent her twenties partying and having unprotected sex with felons needs you to pay for her and her illegitimate kids – for life.”

    It’s amazing how many just look at me in shock, and have nothing feminist or critical to say back.

    We’ve got to convince these people to stop their knee-jerk support of Democrats and their parasite-friendly policies.

  126. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Sorry for the OT, but what is the progressive finger-snapping that Jonathan Haidt referred to in his article about “Centerville” High School?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I have never seen it done, but I imagine it is just members of the audience snapping their fingers in time together. I think it is supposed to be some kind of non-verbal shaming. Haidt said it was very unnerving.

    I'd like to think that if it happened to me, I would start snapping my fingers too and say, "You know, Miles was a cool dude". Either that or spray them with a fire extinguisher and say, "You bitches be smokin!" As the PUAs say, you gotta re-frame the moment or you lose.
    , @TangoMan
    This is what you're looking for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2ClSABkDp8
  127. @Pat Casey
    A speech that stole steve's well-made and once oft-made point (and made a poetic) which Frank Ricci was too humble to give when he got it, on his way to a speaking engagement at a republican convention:

    A philosopher once said something you’ve probably heard: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    Mark Twain slightly disagreed. He said, “History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”

    Thus may we say that those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    What of history is not gone beyond recall is to some extent legend. But some legends carry more truth than others. Here’s a small reminder of one:

    An Emperor aimed to conquer an outnumbered army and overrun their nation. He told them to humble their glory, to lay their blades low. Odds against him but arms borne, the army’s King responded with a dare: “Come and take them.”

    The Battle of Thermopile—when three hundred Spartans made a last stand at a narrow pass to defend their home against ten thousand Persians. Every Spartan soldier died.

    That piece of history is profound because it remembers a timeless truth: at certain crucial moments, men will stare danger down rather than run from it.

    The men and women that I am here today proud to represent believe in that timeless truth. It is a belief kept at the core: Courage is a Virtue.

    It’s been said that courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. I don’t want to sound unbecomingly proud when I say what that something else is to fireman: namely, the safety of strangers.

    I would like to think that I am here addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe; I wish that I could spend the rest of this time talking about What It Takes To Be a Fireman, in the hope that I might light a young heart with the desire to put out flames, to keep strangers safe.

    But that’s not why I’m here today.

    If any of you know who I am, it’s probably because I, along with 19 other firefighters, won a lawsuit against the City of New Haven when five members of the Supreme Court decided we were right.

    Now, it being an election year, with the economy in bad shape, we’ve been hearing a lot of talk about The American Dream. The term gets tossed around so much that we risk seeing the idea become nothing but vague rhetoric. That risk is dangerous, for when an idea becomes that, its meaning is lost. And when the meaning of a defining idea is lost, a nation loses its identity.

    What does the American Dream really mean?

    That Supreme Court case you might know me from, I believe that case was about preserving the true meaning of The American Dream, and by preserving its meaning, keeping it a reality.

    I said that I am not mainly addressing you today because I know something about keeping strangers safe. But I suppose in a way I am.

    You see, I know enough about keeping strangers safe that I passed a test for promotion to management. Those nineteen other firefighters did too. But we were denied our promotions because none of us were the right race.

    I think that the City of New Haven had the wrong idea of what the American Dream means. The American Dream does not mean your ancestry determines your success or failure. That is exactly what the American Dream is defined against. It is what the Founding Fathers wanted this nation to leave behind.

    That test we passed was a measure of our merit. No one who needs to be rescued cares what color a firefighter’s skin is. They care if you’re the one who can save them; they care if you have the ability to save them. In a roundabout way, they care if the American Dream is real.

    Five justices on the Supreme Court agreed with that. Neither of the justices President Obama appointed agreed with that. I think it’s as simple as that.

    Do you want a President who appoints judges who don’t know what the American Dream really means? Or do you want a president who will keep the American Dream a reality by appointing judges who do?

    I would like to end by using this opportunity to dispense an obligation I feel deeply. It is an obligation I feel as an American, but particularly as an American Fireman.

    Those who cannot remember the past won’t realize when it rhymes with the present.

    Much of remembering the past is the task of memorizing dates and numbers: 480 BC., 300 Spartans.

    That’s from the past. Here’s one from living memory: September 11, 2001, 343 Firemen.

    We hear the date but not the number enough. My obligation is to let you hear the ring of that rhyme; to remind you of that number—three forty three.

     

    We marinate all day, every day in collectivism. Someday soon this too shall change.

  128. @WhatEvvs
    Sorry for the OT, but what is the progressive finger-snapping that Jonathan Haidt referred to in his article about "Centerville" High School?

    I have never seen it done, but I imagine it is just members of the audience snapping their fingers in time together. I think it is supposed to be some kind of non-verbal shaming. Haidt said it was very unnerving.

    I’d like to think that if it happened to me, I would start snapping my fingers too and say, “You know, Miles was a cool dude”. Either that or spray them with a fire extinguisher and say, “You bitches be smokin!” As the PUAs say, you gotta re-frame the moment or you lose.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    He referred to it as if everyone knew what it was. I can imagine what it is - but has it happened so often that I should know about it? Where else has it happened.

    @Tangoman: LOL, to quote Houellebecq.
  129. @WhatEvvs
    Sorry for the OT, but what is the progressive finger-snapping that Jonathan Haidt referred to in his article about "Centerville" High School?

    This is what you’re looking for.

  130. @eah
    She's on the payroll due to her contribution to the department's diversity and her presumed status as a previous victim of hiring discrimination ("third attempt to pass the academy"), not her firefighting competence. There's no evidence she's failed at diversifying the department; even if she goes on disability she probably still counts as a 'unit of diversity'. I heard that's the next project at CERN -- looking for the fundamental, universal particle of diversity.

    Of course it's all a big scam and a sick joke on taxpayers -- more evidence of irresponsible and incompetent governance. But the biggest scam here is the potential disability -- because she hurt her ankle and cannot be a firefighter she is nevertheless entitled to a firefighter's paycheck ad infinitum -- as if she cannot do anything else to earn a buck.

    even if she goes on disability she probably still counts as a ‘unit of diversity’.

    So hire her as a unit of diversity and never let her near a fire as a fulltime firewatcher at a rate less than a firefighter and because of this let her work full time in Maccy’s or BK.

    You pretend to work we pretend to pay.

    Now where did I hear that before?

  131. She had a dream, so is exactly like Martin Luther King Jr. Start re-naming schools.

  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Danindc
    All the fire fighters I know just cook all day or run catering services on the side. I think the gals will be fine. How much does a chafing dish weigh?

    Fire suppression systems are just too good nowadays.

    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn’t let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don’t have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck."

    I'm confused: Can fire departments get you a 7:30 reservation at Spago?

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Proud Wife, You should be proud of your firefighter husbanded, an honorable profession, but private homes DO have fire suppression systems. My daughters home in Bucks County ,Pa. has a whole home sprinkler system....as mandated by local law.
    , @Danindc
    I'm sure your husband is a great guy that was brave, diligent and never made up an injury to take a larger pension. Unfortunately, that puts him in the minority of firefighters.

    Sprinkler systems aren't fire suppression? News to me- maybe it's semantics. Bottom line - there are very few house fires.
    , @E. Rekshun
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.

    Ok, but exempt him from paying property tax that funds fire service.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.
     
    I'm sure Wolfgang is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.
    , @Brutusale
    I'm sure Wolfgang Puck knows what the Halon to do to handle a kitchen fire.
  133. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    I have never seen it done, but I imagine it is just members of the audience snapping their fingers in time together. I think it is supposed to be some kind of non-verbal shaming. Haidt said it was very unnerving.

    I'd like to think that if it happened to me, I would start snapping my fingers too and say, "You know, Miles was a cool dude". Either that or spray them with a fire extinguisher and say, "You bitches be smokin!" As the PUAs say, you gotta re-frame the moment or you lose.

    He referred to it as if everyone knew what it was. I can imagine what it is – but has it happened so often that I should know about it? Where else has it happened.

    @Tangoman: LOL, to quote Houellebecq.

  134. @Horzabky
    I've been a French civil servant for three decades. There's a one year probationary period in France. If you're unfit for the job, the probationary period can last up to one year longer. It's almost unheard of for someone to be fired during their probationary period (and after the probationary period, it is simply impossible). A French civil servant can be fired only for "faute lourde", that's to say, committing a crime while on duty, or being not only utterly incompetent, but also seriously antagonizing every one else (in other words, being a sociopath. I've known a few). Absolute incompetence is not a faute lourde.

    The system works fairly well, actually. It's great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can't be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance. Performing agents are given higher status positions (but usually, not higher salaries). It's incredible how people can work their asses off for status.

    I was for several years in charge of a team of people who had, for some reason, incurred the wrath of their bosses. I managed to make them work by playing on their need for inclusion: if you want to really belong to the team, you must do your work. Every team leader did exactly that. It works best, of course, with the losers who have no life outside of the workplace. It also works well with married fathers, who are usually proud enough to resent being labelled lazy. There are people who won't work for any reason, and you can't fire them. Punish them by having them sent to work in a unit headed by a psychopath, especially a female psychopath.

    The worst of the worst are those who are incompetent, lazy, and who think that if they don't get promoted, and faster please, it's because of institutional racism / sexism / antisemitism, etc.

    Lazy, incompetent bosses think that everyone else is like them, therefore they don't trust their subordinates. They'll always be on your back because they are very insecure. And, being lazy and ineffectual, they'll go for the easy targets: the guys who actually work, because those are the workers whose self-esteem depends on their hard work being acknowledged.

    A friend of mine, a white guy, had the silly idea of getting transferred to one of the French Caribbean islands, in order to be closer to his Venezuelan wife's country. He was appalled by the laziness and incompetence of the local, Black civil servants. Actually, it was him who felt excluded: who's that white guy who wants to make us toil? He lasted a couple of years and asked to be sent back to continental France.

    I think that the private sector will devise methods to select good workers. Hire people for short term contracts, and only renew the contracts of the workaholic few. People who are natural workaholics work their asses off even when they know that they can't be terminated even if their productivity decreases sharply.

    Angela Merkel thinks that the riff-raff of the Third World will turn into superb German engineers and factory workers, when they have a chance to get a German education. Nope. They'll turn Germany into what it's already becoming: a decadent nation which cheats on its customers and lives off the reputation of former, smarter generations. So, what will they get in the end? Multiculturalism, which works so well in Syria. All the Germans of the future will have, is a country dependent on imports for energy and food, and whose two-digit IQ workforce can't produce top-notch products anymore, let alone conceive them. Looks like poverty, crime and ethnic tensions to me.

    I’m surprised at this view of employment. If you can’t be fired why move around some poor employees to a bad team or try to motivate others to work so they can belong? Do you just have some abstract reason to get your job done when nothing whatsoever will be different if you don’t get the job done? Is it like the people with hobbies, they just want to build a great miniature train set for their own personal satisfaction?

    Whenever I had a job I exerted effort because it was important to my employer (generally involving directly or indirectly satisfying a customer who could take their money elsewhere) or I could forward my career by helping my employer function better or at least I could keep my job as long as my employer made money with my assistance. I worked to satisfy other people’s wants and needs. The money I earned could be used to satisfy my wants and needs as long as other people worked for the same reason.

    Of course in government work, the customer pays at the point of a gun with no choice (taxes), and you produce whatever you want. Why bother to drive your workers to produce – nothing will be different if they do not produce except you work harder than you have to for no reason. I don’t understand these other incentives like higher status positions – why not give them out by lottery.

    Oh and I love this:

    It’s great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can’t be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance.

    Every independent blogger knows that should there be a system whereby if he performs poorly he would still get thousands of hits and comments it would actually increase performance.

    • Replies: @Horzabky
    "Do you just have some abstract reason to get your job done when nothing whatsoever will be different if you don’t get the job done? "

    If you get your job done you feel good about yourself, and your co-workers respect you. It's important.

    Why do marathoners run like lunatics? Certainly not for the money. They just want to be proud of themselves and respected by fellow long distance runners.

    I'm retired now, but I still work, voluntarily, for an association. We study local history, go to conferences, make some conferences, etc. We earn nothing. We just do it to feel good about ourselves, and enjoy each other's company and what we are doing. So far we've written two books about the history of our town, and I think that our work is at least as good as if it had been done by paid staff.
  135. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    “The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.”

    I’m confused: Can fire departments get you a 7:30 reservation at Spago?

  136. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    Proud Wife, You should be proud of your firefighter husbanded, an honorable profession, but private homes DO have fire suppression systems. My daughters home in Bucks County ,Pa. has a whole home sprinkler system….as mandated by local law.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Proud Wife, You should be proud of your firefighter husbanded, an honorable profession....
     
    Without any fires to fight. When's the next firehouse chili cook off competition? Back when they had nasty dangerous fires to fight they were too worn out to game the system. Plus they derived honor and prestige from their jobs. Now your coworkers think you are a moron if you don't game the system by pulling the most money out of it possible. ****** Not all urban fire departments are like this.
  137. @Clyde

    “The FDNY then gave her a desk job . . .”. Maybe 1%-2% of my state university’s payroll amounts to “irregular hires” of all sorts.
     
    All hires are irregular unless there is a civil service test. Without one the jobs will go to the AA candidates and the personally and politically connected. Especially with an awful job market in the dreaded private sector. These days Michael Dukakis' phrase "Good jobs at good wages" means gov't jobs. "Good jobs at good wages" was during the 1988 presidential campaign before NAFTA/WTO and open borders. Back when we had a private sector that did have mass numbers of "Good jobs at good wages".

    Certain public sector jobs are very desirable to some. Judgeships have been sold for 5-10 thousand in cities like Boston and NY. I don't know if this still goes on. Older lawyers love being appointed judge, it means a tired 50 year old lawyer can put in 10 years for a tax payer funded pension.

    In my area, which has a long history of public corruption, formal testing is not necessarily a bar to a manager who wants a buddy, relative, political crony, or affirmative action hire. Our local paper reports on occasional hiring scandals, some of which involve bypassing or minimizing test results.

    Agree with you about NAFTA/WTO, as did billionaire H. Ross Perot. These deals seem to be super-socially destabilizing for Americans, and have big-time quantitative and qualitative costs connected with them.

  138. THIS shows what a ridiculous country the USA has sadly become.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    THIS shows what a ridiculous country the USA has sadly become.
     
    Was there supposed to be a link under those majuscules?

    Actually, your statement fits nine of ten iSteve posts, like the apocryphal metacaption that can be used under every New Yorker cartoon.
  139. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    I’m sure your husband is a great guy that was brave, diligent and never made up an injury to take a larger pension. Unfortunately, that puts him in the minority of firefighters.

    Sprinkler systems aren’t fire suppression? News to me- maybe it’s semantics. Bottom line – there are very few house fires.

  140. @Buffalo Joe
    Proud Wife, You should be proud of your firefighter husbanded, an honorable profession, but private homes DO have fire suppression systems. My daughters home in Bucks County ,Pa. has a whole home sprinkler system....as mandated by local law.

    Proud Wife, You should be proud of your firefighter husbanded, an honorable profession….

    Without any fires to fight. When’s the next firehouse chili cook off competition? Back when they had nasty dangerous fires to fight they were too worn out to game the system. Plus they derived honor and prestige from their jobs. Now your coworkers think you are a moron if you don’t game the system by pulling the most money out of it possible. ****** Not all urban fire departments are like this.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  141. http://ticket.heraldtribune.com/2014/10/09/firehouse-chili-cook/
    Firehouse Chili Cook-Off
    By Online Staff , Herald-Tribune
    / Thursday, October 9, 2014

    The 15th annual Morton’s Firehouse Chili Cook-Off will take over Osprey Avenue on Sunday, bringing together firefighters from around the area in a fight to see which station makes the best chili. Along with the chili, there will be celebrity judges like NFL players Nick Nichols, Mark Royals and David Baas; live music from The Daisy Dukes; a children’s fun center; Budweiser stations; and the added fun that comes from the stations going all out to decorate their booths. $5 will let you taste all of the chili. Proceeds benefit the Sarasota Fire Fighters Benevolent Fund.

    Kenny Adams of Station 8 keeps the “Celtic Chili” kettle stirred at Morton’s 13th Annual Firehouse Chili Cookoff on Sunday where Sarasota Firehouses compete for the title of “Best Firehouse Chili.”

    2-5 p.m. Sunday; Morton’s Gourmet Market, 1924 S. Osprey Ave., Sarasota; $5;

  142. […] Firewatcher update, in which Sailer notes that “on 9/11 the death toll included 343 firemen and zero firewomen” When society encourages Mean Girls to bully boys, an interesting discussion about how females are very good at non-violent bullying.  This makes sense because females are less autistic than males, and thus should have higher “Theory of Mind” IQ. […]

  143. @scrivener3
    I'm surprised at this view of employment. If you can't be fired why move around some poor employees to a bad team or try to motivate others to work so they can belong? Do you just have some abstract reason to get your job done when nothing whatsoever will be different if you don't get the job done? Is it like the people with hobbies, they just want to build a great miniature train set for their own personal satisfaction?

    Whenever I had a job I exerted effort because it was important to my employer (generally involving directly or indirectly satisfying a customer who could take their money elsewhere) or I could forward my career by helping my employer function better or at least I could keep my job as long as my employer made money with my assistance. I worked to satisfy other people's wants and needs. The money I earned could be used to satisfy my wants and needs as long as other people worked for the same reason.

    Of course in government work, the customer pays at the point of a gun with no choice (taxes), and you produce whatever you want. Why bother to drive your workers to produce - nothing will be different if they do not produce except you work harder than you have to for no reason. I don't understand these other incentives like higher status positions - why not give them out by lottery.

    Oh and I love this:

    It’s great to go to work every morning, knowing that even if you perform poorly you can’t be fired. You can work serenely, which actually increases performance.
     
    Every independent blogger knows that should there be a system whereby if he performs poorly he would still get thousands of hits and comments it would actually increase performance.

    Do you just have some abstract reason to get your job done when nothing whatsoever will be different if you don’t get the job done?

    If you get your job done you feel good about yourself, and your co-workers respect you. It’s important.

    Why do marathoners run like lunatics? Certainly not for the money. They just want to be proud of themselves and respected by fellow long distance runners.

    I’m retired now, but I still work, voluntarily, for an association. We study local history, go to conferences, make some conferences, etc. We earn nothing. We just do it to feel good about ourselves, and enjoy each other’s company and what we are doing. So far we’ve written two books about the history of our town, and I think that our work is at least as good as if it had been done by paid staff.

  144. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.

    Ok, but exempt him from paying property tax that funds fire service.

  145. @Anon
    THIS shows what a ridiculous country the USA has sadly become.

    THIS shows what a ridiculous country the USA has sadly become.

    Was there supposed to be a link under those majuscules?

    Actually, your statement fits nine of ten iSteve posts, like the apocryphal metacaption that can be used under every New Yorker cartoon.

  146. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.

    I’m sure Wolfgang is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I’m sure Wolfgang Puck is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.
     
    With a Net worth: $75 million...... This man is high IQ so you are undoubtedly correct. You will have kitchen fires and ol Wolfie has put out his share. And knowing how to do the Heimlich maneuver keeps away the ambulance chasers.
  147. I’m sure Wolfgang is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.

    Your jokes and puns are usually pretty funny, so in this case, I think I’m glad I don’t know who Wolfgang Puck is.

  148. @Reg Cæsar

    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck.
     
    I'm sure Wolfgang is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.

    I’m sure Wolfgang Puck is quite handy with an extinguisher, and has performed the Heimlich maneuver more than once.

    With a Net worth: $75 million…… This man is high IQ so you are undoubtedly correct. You will have kitchen fires and ol Wolfie has put out his share. And knowing how to do the Heimlich maneuver keeps away the ambulance chasers.

  149. Sounds like Karma and the universe have decided to help her get all the back pay she might have earned if she hadn’t been discriminated against 15 years ago when she might have been in better condition.

  150. @NOTA
    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008--all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    This is basically what politicians do--they get you to attribute all kinds of imaginary virtues and principles to a con man, so you can cast your vote with a smile on your face. Trump is probably a more effective con man than Obama, and his supporters have at least as big a personal need to believe in him.

    The mental state of Trump supporters now is very close to that of Obama supporters in 2008–all kinds of nagging questions and inconsistencies and qualms are suppressed in order to keep feeling the swell of hope and change and social progress the candidate promises.

    Not really. You are looking into an unflushed toilet. Trump is simply the turd who looks the least worst.

  151. @Olorin
    "...if deemed unfit to return..."

    But she was never fit for the job in the first place.

    Oh, I get it. It's the penultimate move in the affirmative action game plan: hire absolutely unqualified people, let them fall on their faces, then pay then 75% of their salary forever to go away. Plus all the health care and stuff.

    The last move, of course, is to just give them $57,000 a year, or whatever the local median income is, for being black, female, etc. No wonder Obama wants to Affirmatively Further Fair Housing. Get enough of them in areas where the median income is high, and their salary for doing nothing goes up. Black income problem solved! Right? RIGHT?

    The Feminist imperative..

  152. @Anonymous
    The next time you have an emergency just dial up Wolfgang Puck. My husband who dedicated 34 years to the FDNY and responded to ANY soul who needed emergency services said not to bother with you. Couldn't let your pathetic comments fly. You are truly a sad case. PS: Buddy, you don't have fire suppression systems in private homes. Good luck!

    I’m sure Wolfgang Puck knows what the Halon to do to handle a kitchen fire.

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