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In contrast to Israel, Finnish fertility rates have been collapsing in this decade, down from 1.87 babies per woman in 2010 to 1.49 in 2017. iSteve commenter MF writes:

As a long time Finnish iSteve reader, maybe I should comment as I have some personal experience in this matter.

I beleive the rapid decline in Finnish birth rates can be mostly explained by two development.

1. Economic development favoring big cities.

2. Immigration from the Middle East and Africa.

Nokia’s decline and the closing of paper mills took away a lot of manufacturing and R & D jobs from cities with 50 000-200 000 inhabitants that were locally important.

Now everybody feels the need to move to Helsinki, but because of immigration, living in neighbourhoods with “good schools” is very expensive.

I think this situation has resulted in some kind of culture shock for Finns, because this used to be a very egalitarian country, meaning upper middle class kids could go to school with poor kids. Finns have a hard time adopting the snobbishness that would be required to protect your family in a multicultural environment. This culture shock can explain the rapidity of the development.

So in our Brave New World of Winner Cities and Loser Towns, Finns needs to crowd into metropolitan Helsinki. But Finns haven’t yet developed all the complex adaptations that, say, Americans have developed to deal with metropolitan diversity: private schools, charter schools, magnet schools, private security, gated communities, gentrification pushes, sports travel teams, etc. Life in Finland has tended to be fairly simple: you live somewhere, pay a lot of taxes, get a lot of services, and participate in the local community. That worked fairly well with a whole bunch of Finns around.

Finns aren’t stupid, so they’ll likely eventually work out work-arounds to diversity. But so far, Finns are freezing in the face of diversity, and their fertility is falling.

 
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  1. Rational says:

    DEAR FINLAND: THINK OF LAURA……SHE WANTS IT THAT WAY.

    The Finns need to wake up soon and vote for anti-immigrant parties, like Finland’s LaPen.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/laura-huhtasaari-president-election-finland-marine-le-pen/

    Finns, if you love your country and your women, do it quickly, or your country will drown in the flood of the alien invasion, who will prey on your women, steal them and destroy your country.

    Do not be in denial like the Brits or the French, which are now 3rd world hellholes.

  2. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Finns have a hard time adopting the snobbishness that would be required to protect your family in a multicultural environment.

    What exactly do Finns need to “protect their families” from? Interracial dating? Are Finns that racist?

  3. the price of gas and parking is also much more expensive in europe

  4. songbird says:

    Finland and its neighbors, I believe, have a potentially easy solution to reverse the tide. Turn off the heat and lights. May not be that simple in the South of France.

  5. The rapefugees will complain that reindeer without humps are a cultural insult. Be smart, Finland, be brave. Don’t let these invaders landing in your Lapps be the Finnish of you. (So Suo mi.) };^D

  6. wren says:

    While in Japan many years ago I overheard an American lady asking her hosts how she could tell what class the Japanese people around her on the train were.

    IIRC, the answer was along the lines of “You can’t.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  7. Tiny Duck says:

    The problem will sort itself out. white Finns will be less and less so that racism will be eradicated. This will be done thru white females having diverse babies

    white “men” cannot satisfy their women. There is a reason more and more white females are bearing Children of Colour

    Why would white girls or any girl want to bear the child of a weak wimpy man who plays video games and cannot fight?

    • Troll: Rational
    • Replies: @blackbrit
  8. For what it’s worth, T. Lothrop Stoddard made this same point in 1922:

    In the early days even the lower-paid ranks of manual labor were not squalid or degraded. Poverty of course there was, and many individual cases of destitution — usually the result of too much hard liquor. Again, the water-fronts of the port towns harbored tough and criminal elements — mainly of foreign origin. But even the largest cities of Old America had no real “slums” before 1840; just as the medium-sized cities of the Far West, inhabited as they are almost exclusively by descendants of pioneers and the best of the Old Immigration, have no real slums even today. We must always remember that if slums make slum people, slum people also make slums. In the absence of low-grade, pauper, or degenerate elements, slums simply do not arise.

    These happy social conditions were first disturbed by the great immigrant influx which began in the late forties. We have seen that the Old Immigration, while sound in the main, contained un- desirable elements which congested the cities and towns of the Atlantic seaboard. The market for manual labor was temporarily glutted, the relatively high standards of the native American laborers were upset, and in time this immigrant labor worked its way into the mills, disturbing the economic and social status of the native factory operatives in New England and adjacent regions. …

    Another consequence of even more profound and lasting significance was the downright replacement of a large portion of the native American population by the immigrant newcomers and their children. Driven from many lines of labor, the displaced American workmen either went West or, even if promoted to better jobs at home, limited the size of their families, refusing to raise children unless these could be so educated that they could enter the more desirable occupations and could thus avoid compe-tition with low-standard foreigners under working conditions which, in American eyes, had become de-
    grading. This “social sterilization” of the native stock revealed itself by a rapid decline in their previously high birth-rate, this decline in fecundity being everywhere exactly in proportion to the intensity and character of the immigrant influx.

    (Reforging America, pg 140)

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  9. Helsinki– where the accent is on hell.

  10. Yo Finns, the Russians are sending the “diverse” your way. Treat’em like you would any other Russian agents, and your problems will be lessened.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  11. Anonym says:

    Finns aren’t stupid, so they’ll likely eventually work out work-arounds to diversity. But so far, Finns are freezing in the face of diversity, and their fertility is falling.

    Here is a previous adaptation, of course, he did have support of his government at the time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

  12. Life in Europe tends to rely on commons: public transport, historical city centers with tourist, nightlife and shopping districts, public schools and universities, parcs, open air festivals, living in apartment buildings or row-houses etc.
    Access to much of this stuff simply can not be preserved in front of gangs of diverse youths armed with legal privileges. And under the grey, cloudy sky of Northern Europe you quickly get cabin fever if you are forced to always stay indoors.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  13. The same is occurring in Denmark, a country in which I have some interest. Now admittedly, I’m a conspiracy nut, finding truth in the space between consensus reality and imagination. There is absolutely a not so secret plan to breed out whitey. This is not natural selection at work. It’s a decision made by sinister elites. Again, this conspiracy is pretty much an open secret, and the conspirators are personalities we are familiar with. The recent mass migration flows into Europe, supposedly sparked by the Syrian civil war, signaled the plan has increased in intensity. And now we see a replication of the European demographic disaster at the southern border. Two female political leaders are the public face of this plan: Merkel and Pelosi. Skullface Pelosi is a bizarre figure: rich as Satan, a face tightened weekly, the demeanor of a drunken society matron. A border wall, she says, is an immorality. Okay, I’m way past rambling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Marty T
    , @a500
  14. Ukraine ,Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal are losing population at a rapid pace and nobody seems concerned.
    Miscegenation and Childlessness is a very well marked in the West now.

    Women are more into miscegenation than men.
    British, German, French and Swedish women have their legs opened for the entire world.
    In Europe, every Black man , seems to have a white partner.

    https://goo.gl/images/ep3Cj5

    This is much more common than thought.

    • Replies: @Doogie
    , @Truth
  15. Hail says: • Website

    Immigration from the Middle East and Africa

    Anyone have any good numbers on the racial situation in Finland ca. 2020? We can only kind of make educated guesses from migration numbers.

    Here are some informative graphs from Statistics Finland:
    (1) Net in-migration from non-EU sources (think Somalia, Iraq) looks to have been as low as 25,000 for the post-USSR-collapse 1990s (3,500/annum?).

    (2) The in-earnest rise towards current levels looks to date to the 2004. It reached a new equilibrium of just over 10,000/annum of new, non-EU, net in-migrants in 2008, which held till 2015 (ca. 80,000 net new migrants in this period).

    (3) Then a spike in 2016 and 2017, when it looks like 30,000 entered. Yes, that means more non-EU net in-migrants in 2016-2017 alone than in the entire 1990s.

    That’s 110,000 new net migrants from 2008 to 2017. Plus whatever births to these new migrants.

    For those who like graphical representations, here is another Statistics Finland graphic:

    Note the distinct negative correlation between “net immigration” and “excess births” for the past ten years.

    In case the images go down, here are the citations:

    [MORE]

    Appendix figure 1. Migration between Finland and non-EU countries in 1993–2017

    Official Statistics of Finland (OSF): Migration [e-publication].
    ISSN=1797-6782. 2017, Appendix figure 1. Migration between Finland and non-EU countries in 1993–2017 . Helsinki: Statistics Finland [referred: 11.2.2019].
    Access method: http://www.stat.fi/til/muutl/2017/muutl_2017_2018-10-30_kuv_001_en.html

    Appendix figure 3. Excess of births, net immigration and increase of population in 1973–2017
    Source: Migration 2017.

    Official Statistics of Finland (OSF): Migration [e-publication].
    ISSN=1797-6782. 2017, Appendix figure 3. Excess of births, net immigration and increase of population in 1973–2017 . Helsinki: Statistics Finland [referred: 11.2.2019].
    Access method: http://www.stat.fi/til/muutl/2017/muutl_2017_2018-10-30_kuv_003_en.html

  16. BenKenobi says:

    worked fairly well with a whole bunch of Finns around

    That’s a strong contender for “Epitaph of The West”

  17. Grumpy says:

    Finnish readers, how well are your new immigrants learning your notoriously difficult language?

    • Replies: @AnonFinn
  18. “Americans have developed to metropolitan diversity: private schools, charter schools, magnet schools, private security, gated communities, gentrification pushes, sports travel teams, etc”

    Don’t forget bollards; rows and rows of bollards. *sniff* they’re so beautiful…

  19. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    All the data I’ve seen suggests that only 1, maybr 2% if we’re pushing it of Finnland even today is middle eastern/African, and perhaps 1% more is Chinese/japanese/other nonwhites.

    I’m for not allowing Islamic and low iq etc. immigration into Europe and america, but you have to draw the line somewhere steve. Yeah it’s a commenter but or you or MF have any actual evidence showing that low iw immigrants and their children make up more than 2% of Finnland’s population and theres any actual evidence for this very small section of society causing them to lower their fertility, than please post it.

    You’re a few days away from posting some commenter from Japan or korea explaining the reason their countries have low TFR the past 20 years is that they’ve allowed the country to become 0.001% african and also in japan 0.5% korean or something

  20. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    I guess it’s not cold and boring enough to turn away all the immigrants:

    “‘Finland’s no good’: Disappointed migrants turn back”

    https://news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html

    Hundreds of predominantly Iraqi migrants who have travelled through Europe to reach Finland are turning back, saying they don’t want to stay in the sparsely-populated country on Europe’s northern frontier because it’s too cold and boring.

    Migrants have in recent weeks been crossing back into Sweden at the Haparanda-Tornio border just an hour’s drive south of the Arctic Circle, and Finnish authorities have seen a rise in the number of cancelled asylum applications.

    “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,” 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.

  21. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Something to keep US from freezing….for a while:

    DABNEY L. FRIEDRICH US District Judge rules AGAINST excluding citizenship question from 2020 census

    • Replies: @Lot
  22. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    Yeah. Like Los Angeles was designed in the 20th Century without much commons because it was assumed most people would have walled-in backyards. But now a huge fraction of the population lives in apartments

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
  23. Ron Unz would probably look at a booming Helsinki and conclude that Finns must love all the Syrians and Somalis that have enriched their drab country. (He would also by some tortured methodology determine that the immigrants don’t commit any crime.)

    He would fail to consider the worldwide fact that white people, when forced to live with “diverse” neighbors, either vote with their feet or vote with their wombs.

  24. Polynikes says:
    @Anonymous

    Too boring…Not enough AK47 celebrations or occasional car bombs. I feel their pain.

  25. @Hail

    Back in 70ies teachers would freely admit that even one or two difficult students per class would noticeably impair schooling for the rest. I can attest to that when we got our first “migrant” from Pakistan in the 70/80ies. He didn’t speak any German or English, which didn’t improve much in one year, so he got transferred, even though teachers and students would bend backwards to help him. Our school was 30% foreigners already, but almost exclusively children of expats or diplomats in a posh part of town–no problems at all with them. Even a small number of “migrants” makes school noticeably worse.

    …With 99% it’s a horror, cf a German TV report on the last two German boys in a school in Berlin-Neukölln. Check 0:55-1:37. They get harassed and beaten even in the presence of TV staff and teachers, who don’t intervene (the journalist is Turkish-German, one of the extremely few who care among the lot): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPG1vw8QOgk

    Cf also https://twitter.com/schubert_albert/status/1093848973637488640

    • Replies: @bomag
  26. @Steve Sailer

    It’s ironic that capitalist Chicago preserved the lakefront for public use right from the beginning, but more community-minded Madison did not do so with much of their two lakes.


    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  27. The West needs mass deportations of non-whites.

    The question remains: will you fight back? Will you risk career death and ostracism and prison and being denounced as hateful bigot in order to preserve your people and way of life?

    • Troll: AndrewR
  28. DuanDiRen says:
    @Anon

    It is cities. Living in cities amplifies all the many factors that atomize people.

    Japan, Korea, China, France, or the USA: the common factor is urbanization.

    Cities are the economic engines; they just aren’t very good at helping people to see the prime directive. Cities are full of novelty, fun, and strangers who you think are potential allies in your quest to become higher status.

    A hundred years from now, no one will remember what car you drove, how big your house was, or whether you made partner or not. But there might well be a dozen people who tell their children about the great childhood they had with their beloved great-grandpa.

    • Agree: Hail, GermanReader2, Escher, Abe
    • Replies: @Anon
  29. Where Democrats or Leftist control, dysgenics reign. Unless Finland rejects Leftism, it will be a Darwinian failure.

  30. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    There is absolutely a not so secret plan to breed out whitey.

    Evidence please.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  31. istevefan says:
    @Redneck farmer

    I sort of wish the Russians had the strength to invade Europe and perform mass regime change across the continent.

  32. Marty T says:
    @Anonymous

    Everyone’s “racist”. Few are honest about it.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  33. Jake says:

    Finland is full of idiots still proclaiming how great it is that the Russians are no longer lording over them and now they can do the will of the Anglo-Zionists.

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. Marty T says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Hasn’t Denmark done some good work in stopping the invasion?

    • Replies: @Clyde
  35. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous

    How about examining circumstantial evidence. For example, in all Western European nations the percentage of native inhabitants is decreasing while the percentage of non-native, non-Europeans is increasing. There is no question about that.

    Yet in not one of these nations is there any policy to prevent such a change. In addition, government funds are being used to subsidize such changes. And in many of these nations any public criticism of such change could net you jail time. Finally, there are no policies that even set a goal as to what percentage of natives should be maintained long term, or even if those natives should remain a majority in their own nations.

    So while there might not be any publicly admitted-to policy to ‘breed out whitey’, there is also no policy to preserve whitey in his own countries. And in effect that is just as good, if not better, than having a public policy to ‘breed out whitey’. For if there where such a public policy, it might engender a reaction. Without it the people will continue to be gaslit by trolls reassuring them no such policy exists.

  36. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    I never heard of sports travel teams. Interesting adaptation.

  37. Mike-O says:

    @Anonymous[108]
    Wow. Seems you are far removed from reality. Perhaps you should live a while in Malmo and then report back.

  38. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s good but there is already another injunction, a second one wouldn’t have any further effect.

    The Supreme Court will need to step in here again, and hopefully do something broader about these aggro district judges who want to set national policy.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  39. @Anonymous

    ” 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.”

    We call that “T-shirt weather.”

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @RVBlake
  40. @James Braxton

    Why don’t White people vote with their ballots instead? Most “nationalist” parties can barely get 20% and then typically peak there.

  41. istevefan says:
    @Ozymandias

    Just think how he would have responded to our polar vortex. In a way I wish for more such cold events and for extended periods of such events. Maybe it can encourage more to seek warmer climes.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  42. @Anon

    “any actual evidence”

    I guess you didn’t see Hail‘s chart or Stoddard’s observation in Aspiring Urban Planner‘s comment that as immigration goes up, native births go down.

    Like other Northern societies, Finland has low birth rates and long generations: only about 20,000 births above deaths per year in the 1970s. So bring in about 20,000 immigrants per year and births above deaths drops to zero.

    Even in America, you can check the census records and see basically the same thing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  43. Hail says: • Website
    @wren

    how she could tell what class the Japanese people around her on the train were

    “You can’t.”

    I am thinking this is a historical anomaly for Japan.

  44. Clyde says:
    @Marty T

    Hasn’t Denmark done some good work in stopping the invasion?

    They are the least invaded and most serious Scandinavian nation. Partly due to not having great industries like the Swedes have, even now OR easy oil money like the Norwegians.

  45. Clyde says:
    @istevefan

    Just think how he would have responded to our polar vortex. In a way I wish for more such cold events and for extended periods of such events. Maybe it can encourage more to seek warmer climes.

    Yeah, right. They just crank up the gov’t subsided heating and stay indoors. Go tell your tale to the Somalis in Minnesota. Polar vortex means hunker down and eat up more taxpayers funded heating.
    In Chicago this super cold means a third worlder gay on a degenerate TV show freaks out and invents wild tales of MAGA hat wearing yahoos beating and noosing him.

  46. @Reg Cæsar

    Did Chicago preserve the lakefront for parks originally, or did they build more lakefront with landfill?

    In the 1970s the first Mayor Daley announced a policy of never adding more landfill, but that always seemed like an obvious way to make best thing about Chicago better: just build more public amenities offshore.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  47. Escher says:
    @Anonymous

    “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,” 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.

    Not enough drunk women walking home alone.

  48. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    What are all of the “refugees” protecting their families from – so much, they need to travel thousands and thousands of miles to ice-packed impossible to learn the language Finland? Are they racist?

  49. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    London has all of those things, plus English. Good riddance EU freedom of movement.

  50. @istevefan

    You are excepting Poland and Hungary, right?

    • Replies: @istevefan
  51. “Finns aren’t stupid, so they’ll likely eventually work out work-arounds to diversity.”

    Like the Swede elite, the Finn elite are working fast and furiously to import as much of a new people as they can before the old Finns figure out the one solution to all their imported problems. You are seeing this play out across Europe.

  52. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    What exactly do Finns need to “protect their families” from? Interracial dating? Are Finns that racist?

    Interracial surprise dating, possibly a bit of interracial surprise polyandry.

  53. RVBlake says:
    @Ozymandias

    The mercury has been struggling to stay above 0 deg F here for the past week.

  54. @Thulean Friend

    Because we have become demoralized.

    Decades of divorce, rootlessness, irreligion, corporate striving, substance abuse, promiscuity, and incessant propaganda, have cut many or most whites off from any sense of identity.

  55. AnonFinn says:
    @Grumpy

    They are overall about 1 SD below the natives and the 2nd generation is almost as bad.

    >50% uneducable
    (=learning deficient) above primary level
    >most of the rest 15-50th percentile, below average on vocational track

  56. Doogie says:
    @The Real Ambrose Kane

    Women are more into miscegenation than men.
    British, German, French and Swedish women have their legs opened for the entire world.
    In Europe, every Black man , seems to have a white partner.

    Haha, wrong.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20150402/single-immigrants-less-likely-to-settle-with-swedes

    Only three out of ten immigrant women and nearly two out of ten immigrant men were in relationships with Swedes after five years.

    White women are less attractive, ethnic women look better than white women.


  57. @Anonymous

    “Racist” is a coward’s word. It’s a word used by coward’s to bully people into shutting up, giving the coward money or allowing the coward to feel morally superior. All without lifting a finger.

    Coward.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  58. @Hail

    Finland can’t take in ~10,000 non-EU immigrants a year for very long before they’re cooked.

    Finland has 5.6 million people, which means that the child-bearning population – let’s just say 18 to 38 – is only 1.4 million people. Presumably, the immigrants are almost entirely composed on people between 18 and 38. That means that Finland is increasing its long-term non-white population by ~0.7% a year for that age group and their children.

    Throw in the fact that the immigrants are mostly men, many of whom likely will send for a wife at some point and that the immigrants have higher birthrates, and you probably can increase that figure to ~1.0% a year.

    In 20 years, the under-20 population would 20% non-white, plus whatever figure currently exists. In essence, Finland would start to look like France does now, and France is a decade or two out from locking in a civil war if it doesn’t end immigration today.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @jbwilson24
    , @Hail
  59. @Thulean Friend

    Women and soy boys want approval and affirmation, and they take their ques from the media.

    If whites do survive this period of history, the herd will be severely culled.

  60. @Anonymous

    What exactly do Finns need to “protect their families” from?

    You.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  61. @James Braxton

    He would fail to consider the worldwide fact that white people, when forced to live with “diverse” neighbors, either vote with their feet or vote with their wombs.

    Or die. Don’t forget dying — it’s important.

    Counterinsurgency

  62. @Thulean Friend

    Why don’t White people vote with their ballots instead? Most “nationalist” parties can barely get 20% and then typically peak there.

    The costs of major change are quite high. After the most recent re-organization (WW I to WW II, for the former Western block, the formation of the Russian Federation for the former Eastern block), you have to wait several generations (three or four?) for all the survivors of the previous reorganization to die of old age; at that point, the optimistic (or at least ignorant) new population is ready to go at it again [1].

    This next reorganization is going to be rather large. Nietzsche said as much, and you can look though my comment archive to see my take on what’s going to happen with all the shiny new weapons systems and technologies we now have available (search for “sea lanes”). Like all large reorganizations, it will be a singularity. Supposedly Ghenghis Khan said, right before invading the Caliphate, “War has been declared, and none under the blue sky know its outcome.”

    You can see how most people would opt for something a bit more sedate and predictable. The key idea here is “War is worst than any alternative, except the receiving end of a genocide”. Once genocide [2] becomes a real possibility, war doesn’t look so bad.

    1] William H. McNeill
    _A World History_
    Oxford University Press; 4th edition; 1998/10/29.
    See last section, a summary.
    Supposedly, the West has been reorganizing itself in major ways about each 70 years, and doing that for the past several centuries (certainly since the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia). Note that WW II ended a bit over 70 years back.

    2] “Genocide” is here defined as the end of a way of life that involves an economy and a belief system and a mass loss of life, but use of police rather than active military units and heavy weapons. Genocides are also singularities: you don’t know what the outcome will be, or even who (after the genocide is over) will be left. Genocide is a singularity, too.

  63. Truth says:
    @The Real Ambrose Kane

    Women are more into miscegenation than men.

    mis·ceg·e·na·tion.
    .

    [məˌsejəˈnāSHən, ˌmisəjəˈnāSHən]

    NOUN

    the interbreeding of people considered to be of different racial types.

    I’ve read no statistic anywhere that implies this is true.

  64. istevefan says:
    @Redneck farmer

    So long as they don’t interfere. I would hope they would join up in a sort of rehash of the Warsaw Pact.

  65. bomag says:
    @theo the kraut

    That’s what losing the demographic game looks like.

  66. fitzGetty says:
    @Anonymous

    … a nose bitten off in Naas, a ear bitten off in Newbridge, yesterday – an STD ( that’s stabbing to death ) in leafy Dulwich …

  67. @Lot

    The Supreme Court will need to step in here again, and hopefully do something broader about these aggro district judges who want to set national policy.

    You can’t go running to momma all the either.

    At some point, Trump–and any real nationalist President if we ever get one–is going to have to remember that it is their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, not the nakedly political impulses of leftist judges.

    As in the visa cases, this is routine executive branch stuff (the visa stuff is black letter law as well), and the chief executive needs to be willing to call bullshit and tell the court that their ruling is a clearly unconstitutional infringement and won’t be tolerated.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @William Badwhite
  68. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Finland has 5.6 million people, which means that the child-bearning population – let’s just say 18 to 38 – is only 1.4 million people. Presumably, the immigrants are almost entirely composed on people between 18 and 38. That means that Finland is increasing its long-term non-white population by ~0.7% a year for that age group and their children.

    Throw in the fact that the immigrants are mostly men, many of whom likely will send for a wife at some point and that the immigrants have higher birthrates, and you probably can increase that figure to ~1.0% a year.

    Good analysis Citizen. I’d say the male skew+fertility factor make it more like double–1.5-2.0%–but no argument on the thrust of this.

    I made a similar point about the Merkel debacle. The media tried to pretend that a million young men coming in a year is no biggie, Germany has 80 million people … “small population”, “doesn’t alter the demographics” blah, blah, blah. Utter nonsense. The German breeding age cohorts have only about 500,000 males in them. So 10m for the entire breeding age male population. (And the upcoming cohorts are smaller.) So the million man mob–who will either eventually bring in wives or proportionally displace German men breeding with German women–is already 1/10 of the breeding population. In other words, Merkel created a future minority population on the scale of America’s black population … in one year! And then there’s the next year. And they keep coming!

    Again, everything from globohomo on immigration–utterly innumerate.

  69. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Why dont you go to live in Russia and get lorded over by Russians if its so great. What are the Finns doing that you are not ? You also chooss to live under the “anglozionism” you proclaim to hate.

  70. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    Maybe, but there are about 500 other things Trump can do fight the immigrant waves that don’t require him to be in contempt of a court order.

    Like use that drug statute to start building the wall today. Or suspending new asylum applications until the backlog is processed. Or cutting refugee admissions further. How about from 22000 to 350?

    Regardless of what Trump does, a federal judge can command federal marshals to summarily arrest a federal official who obeys an order. It wouldn’t be Trump, it would the career employee Trump can’t fire.

  71. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Pheew, thank god. Finally I run across individuals who actually understand that it is reproduction-capable people that count. I meet so many idiots who say “well, the UK is still 85% white”, not realizing that a massive portion of those whites are in old age homes. They can’t fight, they can’t breed.

    It’s reproductive age or younger that count, and indeed the stats are grim. I forget the precise numbers but in Sweden 50% of boys aged 0-12 are foreign, and the sex ration is 130 girls to 100 boys in that same slice.

    That is a recipe for big problems, given the already skyrocketing rates of violent rape, grenade attacks and the like.

    AnotherDad is also spot on that most of these third world parasites import their spouses (as well as other family members). The models that you find at the UN or whatnot assume that immigrants marry within the host country, when there is good evidence that they import their spouses from their countries of origin.

  72. @AnotherDad

    There are 870 federal judges. There’s really no reason 5% or so shouldn’t be culled every year. The Constitution makes this somewhat onerous (House has to impeach, Senate has to remove), but in the event the GOP gets the house back in 2020, a goal of removing 40-50 judges/year should be pretty reasonable. There is lots of low-hanging fruit as well. Heck even removing 1-2/year would send a loud message to the rest of the arrogant leftists among them.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  73. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    First of all, all of that non-EU Immigration from those years total about 240,000, and I looked into more specific data and most of that immigration is coming from Russia and other non-EU countries like Ukraine and to a much lesser extent China. Perhaps you can blame the migrants for part of the downturn, but it’s worth noting that the TFR was already tanking in the 60s and especially 70s and 80s. Finally, my original point I was hinting at and should have made more clear is that a solid majority of all immigrants and descendants have been Russians and other eastern Europeans, and that blaming Black and Middle Eastern immigration is rather absurd in this context. If you really want to blame immigration, you should point out that they shouldn’t be letting in Russians etc.

    @Steve I can understand why you’d want to make this point when there are tens of millions who are way too pro immigrant and don’t think or analyze the data, but ideally we wouldn’t have to make up stuff. Do you have any good evidence for this?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland#Demographic_statistics

  74. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @DuanDiRen

    Even in the largest, most cosmopolitan, and most important city of Helsinki immigrants and their descendants only make up 10-15% of its population today. It’s also worth noting that a huge preportion of those immigrants are Russians, Estonians, white Swedes, and other European immigrants, for example the two largest groups by far, 3 times ahead of any other group both of them, Russians and Estonians. If you have actual data to contradict this and not slogans than please go ahead.

    I will note and repeat what I said in my other comment that TFR was already much lower and declined among White Finns in the 60s and 70s .

    Again, I am against low iq immigration and muslim immigration etc. into the Western World, that doesn’t mean we have to repeat talking points that are false, there are plenty of true talking points about England, USA, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, etc.

  75. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I realize that I’m beating a dead horse I just want to emphasize that I am not your enemy, I’m a white guy who wants there to be a lot less low iq unskilled immigration, less Muslim immigrants, etc. I just want to note the fact that up until 2017 at least an overwhelming majority of recent Finnish immigrants and their descendants have been Russians, Estonians, Swedes, and other White immigrants, and that there’s also been lots of Chinese, Vietnamese, and Indian immigrants.

    Yes I think it’s good for Finnland to be Finnish. That doesn’t mean we have to beat a dead horse that’s not even seemingly true like MF is doing by claiming Middle Eastern and Black immigration have caused TFR to decrease when it’s been a very low percentage of immigrants, let alone the country as a whole. If MF has actual evidence, even detailed studies or data that he or other people who aren’t certified by gray humorless dull academics than I’m all for it. Or if he has reliable academic data. It might be a contributing factor but to the degree that immigration truly is the main or a major cause of TFR being lowered a large part of that would be by Russian and other European immigration

    We can strategically exaggerate the truth for propaganda purposes but at a certain point it becomes a bit ridiculous and counterproductive

    • Replies: @MF
  76. @AnotherDad

    Yeah, I made that same point about Germany at the time. And I still have to make it over and over when people say, hey, it’s only 80,000 or 100,000 or 150,000 immigrants a year to Germany or France. That’s nothing compared to the 80 million or 60 million population.

    In 2015, France granted residence to 200,000 non-EU immigrants. Births in France are already ~20% Muslim (probably more) and probably between 5% and 10% non-Muslim African. That 200k is ~1.3% of the child-bearing French population. So in a “normal” year, France increases its Muslima and African population by around that much, probably more due to sending back for wives and birthrates.

    I believe that France may have reduced that, but it doesn’t matter much. Say they dropped the immigrant/refugee number to 60k, that’s still nearly 0.5% increase a year. In a decade or two, births in France will be at least 30% Muslim and ~10% African – probably more. Ten or twenty more years of this, and France will be cooked. Countries with that many Muslims and Africans just don’t function.

    Germany has more time, but we’re still talking about only a couple of decades before they’re in the same boat.

  77. a500 says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I’ll take Pelosi and the DEMs seriously when they condemn Israel’s wall as immoral.

  78. Anon[849] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s actually really cold in Finland right now. So the Fins are freezing in more ways than one! Hahahahahahahaha

  79. Hail says: • Website
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In essence, Finland would start to look like France does now

    Is there any electoral solution?

    A number of true Finns tried to reverse the problem electorally, under the banner of the party not coincidentally called the True Finns, once it became clear what course they were on.

    The True Finns party did very, very well for a Western ethnonationalist party, especially one far off from France UK Germany style racial-religious demographics. (They took 19% of seats in both 2011 and 2015.)

    It looks like the establishment has successfully undermined and nuetralized the True Finns, buying off some of the leadership and sowing chaos in the ranks amid a nonstop media campaign against them, as I relate at the bottom of another Finland-related post:

    The Finns Party (f.k.a. True Finns) is a soft-ethnonationalist party that has had 19% of national-legislature seats since spring 2011, and was in government as a junior partner with center-rightists from 2015 to mid 2017, at which time a kind of parliamentary coup to oust the Finns was engineered, at the end of which the Finns Party split in two: the civic-nationalist half stayed in government under a new banner (under obese frontman Timo Soini, a Finnish convert to Roman Catholicism) and the ethnonationalist-leaning half stayed loyal to the party but was now in opposition.

    The party seems to have been hurt by this affair and the attendant media campaign: The next national election is April 2019 and the Finns Party is expected to take only 10% of seats this time, with the ex-FinnsParty parliamentarian splinter group (Blue Reform) expected to take 2-3% of seats. The pro-migrant Social Democratic Party may take up to 25% of seats and lead the new government. Or the government could go on under the center-right KOK party and allies, as Finland has done all but four years since spring 1987, and under whose watch the nascent race problem has emerged. Sad.

    As for the Finnish ethnonationalist vote: The best state-level vote result for the True Finns in 2015 was in the state of Satakunta, mentioned in my post above as the state with the smallest fertility drop from 2008 to 2017:

  80. Clyde says:
    @Marty T

    Everyone’s “racist”. Few are honest about it.

    Everyone’s tribal. Few are honest about it. Blacks voted for foreign import Obama by 95% and this dude has zero American slave blood. American blacks are very tribal. They voted for this Hussein Obama from the motherland- mothership of Africa or at least his father was. And O derives from Kenya, East Africa, while American blacks derive from West Africa.

    • Agree: IHTG
  81. Clyde says:
    @AnotherDad

    Again, everything from globohomo on immigration–utterly innumerate.

    Whoever came up with globohomo is a genius. I think Heartist popularized it. So did priss = anon 425. Current globohomo poster boy is Juzzie Smolette.

  82. Hail says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Merkel created a future minority population on the scale of America’s black population … in one year!

    The only saving grace in that affair may be that the Merkel Migrants were not Black.

  83. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I’m not seeing an argument here for why Finns need to stop immigration.

  84. @Steve Sailer

    Did Chicago preserve the lakefront for parks originally, or did they build more lakefront with landfill?

    A little of both. Here is the official history, keeping in mind that anything “official” in Chicago should be taken with a grain of landfill:

    Shoreline History

    Chicago’s Lakefront Landfill (Encyclopedia of Chicago)

    This 1868 pocket map of Chicago shows the city in full-blown expansion, a mere 3 years before the infamous blaze (The Smithsonian)

    The Story of Chicago in Maps (WTTW)

    This Chicago writer answers an Englishman’s idealistic compliment with, “Stopped laughing? Good. Now we can talk about how Chicago really got its public lakefront.”

    Cityscape: How the Lakefront Was Won

    They’ve recently copied San Antonio:

    Chicago’s Second Shoreline

    Though, like the skyways in the Twin Cities and other cold burgs, the Riverwalk diverted street traffic in its hometown, to the latter’s detriment. I was saddened to see the Kress department store, one of the few things I remembered from a Christmas season in SA at age five, shuttered.

  85. @Hail

    Much of the electorate — electoral cattle as it is known to some — will stay on its traditional track and cannot be turned easily, according to observers in Finland. Ignorance among the public is profound.
    The government will most likely be formed by the Social Democrats who will maintain open borders.

    • Replies: @Hail
  86. @Hail

    Is there any electoral solution?

    In Finland, theoretically, yes. Of course, if 25% of whites are just hellbent on destroying their nation and another 40% don’t care enough either way, then the answer is no.

    In the United States, the answer is clearly no. As the Z-Man likes to say, we’re not voting our way out of this.

    Ethnocentric whites – whatever ethnic version, Finn, American white, French, etc. – have to accept that if we’re going to have to make hard choices if we want to survive as a people. We’re going to lose friends and family. There are a good quarter of whites (and 90% of Jews) who will try to destroy our lives for pushing for white communities. We will have to fight back, which seems impossible now, but it’s what has to happen.

    What’s more, we’ll have to force “nice” whites – the CivNats – to make a choice. Are you with us or them? If you’re with them, you’re out. You don’t belong to our clubs, our kids won’t be friends, we won’t be friends, I won’t do business with you if I can avoid it, etc. We won’t protect you, and neither will your precious Constitution once the PoC get done with it.

    It’s going to get ugly, but nearly as ugly as what’s heading our way if we don’t band together.

  87. @Hail

    Um, Middle East and North African Muslims come in a close second behind Africans for their ability to destroy Western, Christian-based societies. Africans didn’t almost overrun Europe in the past. Muslims did.

    Hard to say which is worse. They’ll both destroy European countries, just in different ways.

  88. @jbwilson24

    If you want to know the future of a country, look at the births.

    England and Wales could end all immigration tomorrow, and they would be 10% Muslim someday. They would be ~25% non-white.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536930/One-ten-babies-England-Muslim-Those-practising-religion-soon-outnumber-actively-worshipping-Christians.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3265633/Over-babies-born-UK-no-longer-white-British.html

    If England and Wales continue their current immigration patterns and birthrate differences, white babies – English or otherwise – will be a minority in 25 years or so. One generation. They will be surrounded by Muslims, Indians and blacks. A despised minority in the land of their ancestors. Good luck with that.

    The ethnic French have one decade to get their shit together or they will no longer be able to vote their way out of things. England maybe has 25 years, probably a bit less. Whites in the United States are done. We’ll have to figure out another way.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
  89. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @jbwilson24

    I forget the precise numbers but in Sweden 50% of boys aged 0-12 are foreign, and the sex ration is 130 girls to 100 boys in that same slice.

    Hasn’t Sweden been importing mostly foreign men? Why are there so many more women?

  90. J.Ross says: • Website

    The entirety of this issue is Western-style divorce laws. If we don’t protect marriage we deserve to die out.

  91. @Anonymous

    You never presented an argument for why Finns should allow immigration. You simply tried to cow people into shutting up like the coward that you are.

    Regardless, I don’t need to explain or justify anything to you. You are not a part of my people; therefore, your opinion doesn’t mean anything to me. Muslims don’t care whether I like them or their religion. I am not a Muslim; therefore, my opinion doesn’t matter to them. On this, they are correct.

    I only responded to you because the CivNat crowd here at iSteve need a bit of guidance until they understand the true situation, i.e. I never really responded to you at all, just as you’re not really responding to me. We’re playing the same game.

    The time for debate has ended, whether people around here realize it or not. It’s time to choose sides.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  92. @Anonymous

    Incorrect. It’s the most beautiful and ancient argument known to man.

    The time for debate is over.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  93. @Anonymous

    …as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit)

    This is way, way off. Ten degrees Celsius is 14 degrees Fahrenheit. And 50 Fahrenheit is 45.5 Celsius.

    Oh, wait… he means above zero. Oops, sorry.

    Wimp.

  94. @William Badwhite

    There’s really no reason 5% or so shouldn’t be culled every year.

    Doesn’t nature take care of some of that?

    Still, Holmes and Stevens served until age 90, and Holmes had to be pressured to resign.

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-are-the-oldest-supreme-court-justices-to-ever-serve.html/

    Californian Stephen Field was already senile at 80, and was asked to leave. His nephew was on the Court at the time, which no doubt made it easier. Field was on the Plessy decision, David Brewer on Wong, but neither on both. Brewer missed Plessy when his daughter died, but Field thought a grandniece wasn’t worth taking off from work.

    The President’s sister essentially retired just shy of 80 right after li’l bro’s inauguration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryanne_Trump_Barry

  95. Hail says: • Website
    @Oikeamielinen

    Much of the electorate — electoral cattle as it is known to some — will stay on its traditional track

    Finland seems to traditionally have had the following nominal political support breakdown, stable over time and forming an extension of identity that people don’t necessarily much think about (anymore than one considers switching sports teams of which one is a fan):

    40% conservative voters of all kinds
    25% left-wing voters of all kinds
    35% non-voters

    (Maybe it was in recognition of these political conditions that Moscow acquiesced to ‘Finlandization’ all those years.)

    Then some idiots introduced Somlis, Muslims, Gypsies, and a race problem. An ethnonationalist alternative (True Finns) emerged in the 2010s, drawing in both ex-unattached and formerly conservative voters, leaving Finland in the 2010s as follows:

    30-35% non-ethnonationalist conservative voters
    15% ethnonationalist voters
    20-25% left-wing voters of all kinds
    30% non-voters

    This was real progress.

    The government will most likely be formed by the Social Democrats who will maintain open borders

    Pollster’s estimates for the new parliament’s seat estimates after the dust clears in April 2019:

    Non-Ethnonationalist Right: 86 to 100 seats (43% to 50% of seats)
    – Center Party: 34 to 38 seats [current Prime Ministership]
    – National Coalition Party: 40 to 45 seats
    – Christian Democrats: 5 to 6 seats
    – Blue Reform (True Finns defectors): 0 to 1 seat (despite 2-3% overall support, given electoral thresholds?)
    – Swedish People’s Party: 7 to 10 seats

    Ethnonationalists (8% to 11% of seats)
    – Finns Party: 16 to 22 seats

    Left: 80 t0 95 seats (40% to 47% of seats)
    – Social Democratic Party: 45 to 50 seats
    – Green Party: 20 to 26 seats
    – Left Alliance (neocommunist, feminist, anti-racist): 16 to 18 seats

    If these estimates are accurate, the Social Democrats will most likely be the largest party, but the three parties of the center-left will be unable to form a majority, even the Social Democrats take in the neocommunist party called Vasemmistoliitto (Left Alliance) and even if all the left-of-center parties perform towards the maximum of the margin of error in the polling.

    While a rightist coalition will likely by mathematically possible, it would probably again require the Finns Party and this is unlikely in practice, given their ouster from the governing coalition in 2015.

    So the strong likelihood appears to be of a SocialDemocrat-Center “grand coalition” on Merkelian lines, under a Social Democrat Prime Minister (7 in 10 chance) or maybe under a National Coalition Party Prime Minister if they squeak by with more seats (2 in 10 chance), or a center-right coalition excluding any parties of the left (1 in 10 chance).

    Are the Finns Party now cordon sanitaire‘d out of Finnish government?

  96. @istevefan

    I sort of wish the Russians had the strength to invade Europe and perform mass regime change across the continent.

    The fall of Constantinople was the last time there was a chance that the Russian model was viable as something other than tyranny. Ever since the Rus have been tyrants.

    Show me where Solzhenitsyn endorses your position, and I’ll reconsider.

  97. @Hail

    “(Maybe it was in recognition of these political conditions that Moscow acquiesced to ‘Finlandization’ all those years.)”

    Finlandization, in my view, was largely a propaganda devise concocted by western influences. Intelligentsia in the Anglo-American sphere began to bad-mouth Finland in the 1960’s, possibly dissuade the country from pursuing a rational policy toward the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

    We see a similar pattern today with NATO propaganda purveyed by groups inside and outside Finland. There is a hankering to approach the Russian border, sometimes in a “host country partnership,” sometimes with an outright march to Moscow with a rainbow flag like some modern-day Napoleon Bonaparte.

    Finlandization, however, went out of style during or soon after glasnost. I could see the party line being altered in the 1990’s.

    “Are the Finns Party now cordon sanitaire‘d out of Finnish government?”

    Possibly, in the same way as Sweden Democrats.
    The Finns Party, by-the-way, had its roots in the Rural Party which was the bête noire to the nomenklatura for some years.

    • Replies: @Hail
  98. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The time for debate has ended, whether people around here realize it or not. It’s time to choose sides.

    You’ll still have neeed of persuasive words, rhetoric, arguments, even with your own people.

  99. @Hail

    “While a rightist coalition will likely by mathematically possible, it would probably again require the Finns Party and this is unlikely in practice, given their ouster from the governing coalition in 2015.”

    As an aside, nationalist groups in Finland call the Finns Party a fake opposition. They sometimes attack viciously.

    • Replies: @Hail
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  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @wren

    Search Sweden grenade, apparently they are ridiculously easy to get.

  102. MF says:
    @Anon

    The great influx in Iraqi ‘refugees’ came in 2015, not 2017.

    According to this study in 2016, immigrants are about 15 % of the population in Helsinki
    https://www.hel.fi/hel2/tietokeskus/julkaisut/pdf/16_01_11_Tilastoja_1_Vuori.pdf

    In young children (age 0-6) immigrants are about 20 %, of which about half MENA or “other Africa” (graph on p. 17 of the study).

    I’d say 10 % is definitively enough to have an impact. It directly affects the quality of life for families with children: first we pay a lot of taxes, then we have to pay for private services because tax-funded services prefer servicing the needy ‘refugees’ in stead of tax payers. It is not just schools and daycare, but other services too. For instance, in my childhood, if in winter (about six months of the year) I spent time in public places without my parents, I would often be at the public library, public swimming pool or shopping malls. Nowadays, all these places are mostly unenjoyable because of immigrant kids behaving badly, so you have to pay for private alternatives.

    Immigration has also affected housing: In Finland, every ‘refugee’ can move to Helsinki and the government will pay up to €650 a moth to rent a studio for each destitute individual. This effectively puts a floor to housing prices, which means that people with low salaries have to commute longer distances.

    So the effect of immigration on families with children is definitively not insignificant, and together with the propaganda for ‘refugees’ gives the message that Finns having children is not valued by the Powers that Be.

    I’m not saying that fertility among Finns would not have declined in any case, but the rapidity of the decline should warrant a search for other causes than just the general trend. There’s by the way, a lot of discussion on this question also in Finland, but I haven’t really followed it so I don’t know what the ‘academic consensus’ on this would be.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Oikeamielinen
  103. j2 says:
    @MF

    I looked at the population forecasts in Finland. The birth rate dropped when economic problems really started, showing a natural reaction that if your job is not secure, you better not do children for a while. So, what the government is doing: concluding that Finns do not make enough children to pay for the pensions, so they should import 15,000 immigrants yearly. Naturally, these immigrants, not knowing the local language, must be preferred in job admissions, implying that it will be even harder for locals to find work, and as a response they postpone making children. Thus, Finns think they do not have enough money to make their own children, so they will support children of other people, and the grownups also, and additionally also lose more jobs. Very clever.

    The sad thing is that the population of Finland must drop quite drastically. It can be by Finns moving out of the country, or by them not making children. The latter is better, as creating a minority anywhere only creates problems in some decades. It must drop because there will not be jobs, for exactly the same reason why people have to move from smaller cities and countryside to bigger cities, no jobs. That is what is bound to happen if borders do not separate niches.

    As it is, the population will drop, though fairly slowly. The most idiotic thing is to try to avoid this population drop is to take more immigrants, from any country, even high IQ, because the problem is geography and globalization and those will not be easily changed.

    • Agree: BB753
  104. @Anonymous

    Not an argument.

    Quite correct. It’s not an argument, it’s an opinion. You asked, I answered.

    If you want reasons for the opinion, I again recommend Hicks, _Understanding Postmodernism_, also Youtube.com search” Hicks, Postmodernism, 2018″.
    Very briefly, Postmodernism is the usual philosophical bedrock of the Open Borders Left (although most of them couldn’t tell Postmodernism from Post Holes). Postmodernism says that there is no logical ground upon which different parties can reach agreement. This is said for a number of reasons, which include:
    1) an epistemology that says reality cannot be known,
    2) a theory of humanity that says individuals are illusion, emergent properties of groups, and so not worth considering, called . “anti-individualism”, although I have, so far, not found any ants in it.
    3) a theory of society that rejects any basis in reality (which can’t be known) and rejects any organic whole to society. These are replaced by a theory of conflict and domination.
    4) An entirely independent assumption that the dumber side should win in any conflict. They phrase it differently, but it amounts to favoring the dumber side.
    5) and, to cap it all off, a theory of communication that treats communication as a weapon, something to be used against opposition. It is rather like dueling wizards — each casting word spells intended to both attack the opposition and block the opposition’s attack. The idea of dialectic is completely lost, and Postmodernists never try to reach a common agreement. How could they? They don’t believe there is any common ground.

    Your initial post, complete with scare quotes around “families”, was an attack. Simple as that. Had it been real, you would have started with specified events that wold have shown there is no threat to Finns. R. Unz (and even F. Reed) do that for Hispanics, especially Mexicans. That means you are a threat to Finns (albeit perhaps an ineffective threat).

    And there’s your argument. All you need do to confirm it is fail to attempt to reach a common understanding.

    Counterinsurgency

  105. @MF

    The original meaning of the word decimate is to knock out one in ten of the enemy. Old Roman legions considered this a military victory. At 10% invaders, the native population has been defeated.

  106. Hail says: • Website
    @Oikeamielinen

    “Are the Finns Party now cordon sanitaire‘d out of Finnish government?”

    Possibly, in the same way as Sweden Democrats.

    It’s striking how similar the two parties’ (Finns Party and the Sweden Democrats) stories are, and the one big difference:

    Both emerged as defacto (soft-)ethnonationalist parties in the 2010s to confront the emergent domestic racial-national problem(s) (that had never existed before) that their own governments had recklessly, some would say treasonously, foist on the nation(s); both parties caught the ‘system’ off guard and were subject to intense attack when the system regrouped; both parties’ momentum was largely blunted by the late 2010s.

    The big difference is that from late May 2015 to June 2017, the Finns Party was actually in government, with a respectable 31% share of the seats in the governing coalition (Center Party, Finns Party, National Coalition Party). A major accomplishment indeed.

    There was never, AFAIK, any prospect of this for Sweden, no matter how ideologically coherent a Center-Right + SD coalition would have been. Instead, Sweden as of early 2019 has an awkward, Merkelian grand coalition, which Finland is likely also headed for this year.

  107. Hail says: • Website
    @Oikeamielinen

    nationalist groups in Finland call the Finns Party a fake opposition

    It is useful to classify such parties as “soft-ethnonationalist.”

    There is definitely a political space for “hard-ethnonationalists,” but at least for now they are destined to be entirely ‘extra-parliamentary’ in formal politics. As for Sweden, in the late 2010s the “hard-ethnonationalist” party is Alternative for Sweden.

    According to Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice, Alternative for Sweden’s vote was quasi-illegally suppressed through various tricks at polling places, allowable through the weakness of the concept of the secret ballot in Sweden.

    Including all the tricks, this was the final vote:

    Swedish General Election, Sept. 2018
    Parties of the Left: 2,634,739 [40.3%]
    Parties of the Center-Right: 2,607,222 [39.9%]
    Sweden Democrats: 1,135,627 [17.5%]
    Alternative for Sweden: 20,290 [0.3%]
    Others: 1.1%
    Invalid votes: 0.9%

    Given a fully secret ballot, I’m not sure what the the SD:AfS ratio would be, but perhaps something more like 10:1 and not the 56:1 as it is here, in the official results.

  108. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Incorrect. It’s the most beautiful and ancient argument known to man.

    The time for debate is over.

    In all human history, there’s never been a successful human movement that has lacked an argument. What you posit here is not an argument.

  109. blackbrit says:
    @Tiny Duck

    tiny duck ! the high fertility high birthrate black africans and brown muslims can out breed you average white blonde haired blue eyed nordic by about 6-7 to 1 ! so it shouldn’t take to long for finland to turn a lot darker ! mr. hitlers ghost will be very unhappy !

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