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“I look big, but I’m 17,” explained Fahad Firas, Refugee Boy, to concerned Finnish PM

As you may have heard, the new center-right prime minister of Finland, Juha Sipilä, is one of the few Europe elites to actually promise to share some of his own personal housing stock to help out refugees. But the story behind his generous decision turns out to be illustrative of several themes that haven’t gotten much attention in the conformist press yet.

From Liberty GB,

‘REFUGEE BOY’ IGNITES IMMIGRATION DEBATE IN FINLAND

Published on Sunday, 06 September 2015 21:03
Written by MV Lehti

The prelude was played on Saturday evening when Finnish TV station MTV broadcast a short conversation between the Finnish prime minister Juha Sipilä and an asylum seeker called Fahad Firas at the Oulu refugee centre.

In the interview the boy explains that he may look big but he is only 17 years old and he can prove this. He also states that his father was killed and he, himself, was kidnapped. The boy says that he is from Iraq. The prime minister just keeps on listening and nodding with sympathy.

The video: https://vid.me/vqJS

Refugee Boy starts chatting up the Finnish PM in excellent English at 0:21 in the video.

The prime minister was so touched by his encounter with the refugees that he agreed to let his house in Kempele, a municipality next to Oulu, become a home for refugees at the turn of the year, when his own family moves to southern Finland.

Seeing the interview, people could not believe their eyes, and began to search for more information; there was a lot to be found.

Apparently this 17-year-old was born on 16 November 1995. He will turn 20 in a couple of months.

He may have some military background, and he has been staying in quite many countries, for example Germany and Bulgaria, before coming to Finland.

According to his own posting on the internet he seems to have spent some time in prison when he was younger.

He is a servant of Allah and likes to build up his upper body.

In case you are wondering, the Finnish prime minister has a wife, with whom he has had five children. (I can’t tell how many of them are daughters. You might think a man with daughters might be a little concerned about who is showing up claiming to be Refugee Boys, but that’s racist or something, I guess.) The first couple of Finland met long ago at Protestant summer camp.

Here’s Refugee Boy’s Facebook page, which gives you an amazing inside look at what being a refugee is like in the smartphone age. Check it out before it gets deleted. (It’s archived for posterity at https://archive.is/sqgd5.)

 
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  1. Do his wife and kids mean something in libertine Europe where half the population claims to be gay?

  2. This guy homo?

  3. Social justice street cred yo!

  4. Rent boy?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI, so we should expect GOP politicians to start clamoring for the US to accept these refugee boys soon:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/nyregion/raid-of-rentboy-an-escort-website-angers-gay-activists.html
    , @Volksgenosse
    You said what I was thinking.
  5. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Why is the Middle East burning? Diversity.
    Diverse nations tend to fall apart. Yugoslavia was held together under iron rule of communists. When it began to move toward democracy, it fell apart.
    Soviet Union stayed together under communist/Russian imperialism. As Russia was moving toward a more liberal order, the USSR couldn’t be sustained. So, it broke apart into separate nations.
    Iraq and Syria are also diverse nations ethnically and sectarian-ly. Libya has many clans. So, remove the iron ruler, and things will fall apart.
    You can have diversity and stability under iron rule or diversity and instability under freedom. Arab Spring made every ethnic/sectarian group rise up for its rights, and the whole place began to fall apart.

    European nations following WWII became homogeneous. It was a wonderful thing. They could have genuine democracy since homogeneity meant the issues would be about taxes or some such than bitter feuding over ethnicity.
    But instead of guarding this homogeneity, Europeans are opening themselves to this vast wave of diversity. What did diversity do to Yugoslavia and Syria and Libya and Iran? Why not value one’s own homogeneity?
    The lesson from the current mess in the Middle East should be ‘diversity is bad for freedom and democracy.’

    That said, at least the various factions in the Middle East have the guts to fight for what they feel should be theirs. We see no such militancy among the Europeans who stand by throwing flowers to the invaders.

    If there’s any justice, there should be a massive civil war in EU itself that overthrows the current crop of leaders who are lowlife traitors.

  6. In case you are wondering, the Finnish prime minister has a wife,

    Yes, many of them get married and then……..a change happens.

    with whom he has had five children. (I can’t tell how many of them are daughters.)

    5 children, well he did the work most European men are unwilling to do. Maybe his Finnish/Central Asian genes had something to do with it.

    What’s with those damn glasses on all these creepy White people now?

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    Child molester glasses - its the new gay marriage.
    , @22pp22
    My father was gay and married with two kids. If the Finnish PM is 100% straight, I'm Shaka Zulu.
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    He comes from Laestadians. They are like the Mormons of Finland, a movement originally started to get Saamis out of shamanism and alcoholism that somehow became mostly Finnish movements that are conservative and insular to the point that the rest of us find them cultlike. Outwardly nice Ned Flanders types but also known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness in business and politics if you're outside their networks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestadianism

    Their part of Finland is very visible in any birth rate map:

    http://tilastokeskus.fi/til/synt/2011/synt_2011_2012-04-13_kuv_003_fi_001.gif

    Mr Sipilä is a good example of why to never trust the rural conservatives. They're all desperate to prove to the Helsinki media that they're not just dumb hicks from the north and love for refugees is a "Christian" way to get praise from the media when he cannot please them on abortion and gay marriage. We now have what must be the most conservative government in all of the EU and sure, the liberals think the world is ending because some law on transsexuals isn't going to get liberalized, but these people have still decided to turn us into Sweden II on refugees.
  7. @Anonym
    Rent boy?

    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI, so we should expect GOP politicians to start clamoring for the US to accept these refugee boys soon:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/nyregion/raid-of-rentboy-an-escort-website-angers-gay-activists.html

    • Replies: @CJ
    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI ...

    Not to go OT but WTF was that all about? There has to be some kind of story behind that.
  8. @Anonym
    Rent boy?

    You said what I was thinking.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You think about rentboys a lot, don't you?
    , @Mark Minter
    And the cuckservative response to anyone that "notices" how gay the GOP establishment is always comes back with this BS Freudian repression accusation. You guys fight like 20 year old SJW girls. Freud was debunked as nonsense quackery just like cuckservative liberalism is and will be.
    , @Anonym
    To homosexuals in the elite (and there are many in the media and politics) an influx of migrants, of which 75%-90% are trim military age men without much in the way of income or assets, is not a bug but a feature.
  9. Sickening. Precious moral narcissism. Look at the idiot with the homo refugee sign. Europeans have gone full retard.

    Refugees cheered after arriving in Germany

    "Refugees are welcome here"Hundreds of people arriving in cities across Germany are greeted by cheers, singing and applause by groups of locals.Watch more on the country's response to the crisis here: http://youtu.be/i2vIQchtB_0

    Posted by Channel 4 News on Sunday, September 6, 2015

    • Agree: K.K.
    • Replies: @carol
    Well what a boon for gays, anyway. Formerly they had to go to Tangier, Mexico City, or Bangkok for their boys. Now the boys come to them!
  10. We can name the boy Tom of Finland.

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man’s children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?

    • Replies: @shk12344
    Get a sense of humor, dude.....
    , @WhatEvvs
    Clunkhead, I've been reading Sailer for a while. It's like watching a train wreck. He's getting more & more bizarre. Now he's hinting that the gender ratio of a man's progeny indicate whether he's homosexual or not.

    In two words: peer review.
    , @gruff

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man’s children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?
     
    You've misunderstood. Sailer is implying that that young Muslim man would be a sexual threat to the Prime Minister's daughters, should he move into his house and live with his family.
  11. 20? With the receding hairline he looks like he could be 28. Of course, testosterone supplements that turn into DHT are probably accelerating this.

  12. poof!

    gone like that

  13. “Check it out before it gets deleted.”

    LOL it’s already deleted.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's not deleted, just hidden.

    https://archive.is/IZqiX
  14. Why does the bodybuilder boy speak slangy idiomatic English in an American or Canadian accent?

    • Disagree: Anonym
  15. poof!

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    I think you mean:

    poofter.
  16. Pretty good summary: From 2011 military intervention to 2015 refugee crisis

    • Replies: @KFoy
    haha Beethoven's ode de joy ' alle mensch will be bruder'
  17. Vladimir Putin should let in millions of Muslim refugees from Iraq and Syria to prove that he is not as racist and Islamophobic as his enemy The United States.

  18. Vladimir Putin should let in millions of Muslim refugees from Iraq and Syria to prove that he is not as racist and Islamophobic as his enemy The United States.

  19. I don’t think he’s gay. He’s not giving his home to the bodybuilder but any refugee family. At any rate one thing about all this that has me puzzled is that it’s a big scam. I’d like to think even liberals don’t like being taken for a ride.

    • Replies: @Shaikorth
    I don't think he is either. But if he turned out to be, the usual triple-C (Conservative Closet Case) scandal would be expected since he is a Laestadian believer and an opponent of gay marriage.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.
  20. @Rifleman

    In case you are wondering, the Finnish prime minister has a wife,
     
    Yes, many of them get married and then........a change happens.

    with whom he has had five children. (I can’t tell how many of them are daughters.)
     
    5 children, well he did the work most European men are unwilling to do. Maybe his Finnish/Central Asian genes had something to do with it.

    What's with those damn glasses on all these creepy White people now?

    Child molester glasses – its the new gay marriage.

  21. @Volksgenosse
    You said what I was thinking.

    You think about rentboys a lot, don’t you?

  22. Shaikorth [AKA "Grelsson"] says:

    This should be seen as a case of a millionaire businessman-turned-politician giving one of his many things (in this instance residences) away to influence public opinion. Many of his neighbours around the house in question were less than thrilled at the news.

    One daughter, by the way. No idea about the 6 grandkids.

  23. So many of these economic migrants speak English, and yet we’re supposed to believe that they are impoverished refugees. The elites really, really don’t care how stupid all of this looks, because they don’t have to. They always get what they want in the end.

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    Yes, this drives me crazy. I haven't read many stories on this, but has there been ANY investigative journalism into how these people get to Greece or Hungary in the first place? Sorry, I just don't buy that they're actually all randomly walking 5,000 miles to Germany or some such. And most of the people in these pictures are clean shaven, recent haircuts, comfortable clothes. But they're the wretched refuse that Europe just can't turn away?
  24. Elsewhere Paul Wood writes at Takimag that

    Refugees have every reason to want to live in Europe. It is Europe’s duty to the refugees and, more important, to future generations of Europeans to stop accepting any asylum seekers from other continents. No one drowns trying to get to Singapore because Singapore accepts no asylum seekers. This is the only way the drownings will stop.

    http://takimag.com/article/seeking_refuge_from_mass_migration_paul_wood/print#disqus_thread

    Anyone know more about Singapore and its refugee policies?

  25. Look at these reports of adult migrants posing as children posted by Swedenreport.

    A 14-year-old who could be twice that etc.!

    http://swedenreport.org/2015/04/14/sacrificing-1000-to-save-1/

    “You are a slow learner, Winston.”
    “How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”
    “Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

  26. A lie that he is 17. I do not believe him. It helps his refugee status for now.

  27. @Volksgenosse
    You said what I was thinking.

    And the cuckservative response to anyone that “notices” how gay the GOP establishment is always comes back with this BS Freudian repression accusation. You guys fight like 20 year old SJW girls. Freud was debunked as nonsense quackery just like cuckservative liberalism is and will be.

  28. @Grumpy
    So many of these economic migrants speak English, and yet we're supposed to believe that they are impoverished refugees. The elites really, really don't care how stupid all of this looks, because they don't have to. They always get what they want in the end.

    Yes, this drives me crazy. I haven’t read many stories on this, but has there been ANY investigative journalism into how these people get to Greece or Hungary in the first place? Sorry, I just don’t buy that they’re actually all randomly walking 5,000 miles to Germany or some such. And most of the people in these pictures are clean shaven, recent haircuts, comfortable clothes. But they’re the wretched refuse that Europe just can’t turn away?

    • Agree: Marat
    • Replies: @rod1963
    It reeks of a orchestrated effort and funded by some ME billionaires.

    It's a invasion force. There are far too many young healthy males in the mix. Once established expect bloodshed.
    , @tbraton
    The first thought that ran through my mind when I saw that Daily Mail (?) photo of the hordes of Syrian refugees disembarking at "Athens" was "what are the Greeks thinking?" If the Greeks didn't provide free ferry service from Lesbos to Athens, how could they get to Germany? Then it occurred to me that cynical Greeks are paying back the Germans for terribly mistreating them in the debt talks. I find it more than ironical that Germans, who invaded Greece during WWII and brutally occupied their part of Greece (Greece was divided up among Germany, Italy and Bulgaria during WWII), resented giving their Euro partner Greece even the slightest break on their untenable debt but have no qualms about inviting several million Arabs to Germany and picking up the tab. I think the whole concept of giving "political asylum" has become a scam of prosperous Western countries and too many Westerners are too stupid and gullible to realize it. You don't see Singapore or Japan taking in large numbers of "political asylum" seekers. Israel has offered to take in "around 200" of their neighbors, which sounds about right. Since the U.S. has approximately 50X the population of Israel, that would translate into 10,000 refugees, as long as we made it clear that no family reunification would apply, so the 10,000 doesn't translate into 100,000 or more.
  29. Only slightly OT:

    It’s time to write your congressmen and the President, and tell them that the United States will NOT be taking any of the 11 million refugees who now feel emboldened to migrate out of the Middle East!

    Write now before it gets momentum.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    PBS now reports that the White House is considering many options including accepting MANY more Syrian refugees. Germany is taking 1% of its population, so if we match that it's 3.5 million.
  30. What a body!

    If I was a girl I would demand immigration. If the men are even a tenth attractive as that then let the come.

    Men with good bodies are usually very talented in bed. Just look at Black Men

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Men with good bodies are usually very talented in bed. Just look at Black Men.

    Black men are notoriously bad in bed. Was your comment meant to be sarcastic?
  31. @gruff
    Firas's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fahad.firas.967

    Already gone.

    • Replies: @anon1
    Google cache has it:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eCpVDzcQKEUJ:https://www.facebook.com/fahad.firas.967+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
    , @gruff
    It's still up for me as of ten seconds ago.
  32. @WhatEvvs
    We can name the boy Tom of Finland.

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man's children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?

    Get a sense of humor, dude…..

  33. @Ed
    I don't think he's gay. He's not giving his home to the bodybuilder but any refugee family. At any rate one thing about all this that has me puzzled is that it's a big scam. I'd like to think even liberals don't like being taken for a ride.

    I don’t think he is either. But if he turned out to be, the usual triple-C (Conservative Closet Case) scandal would be expected since he is a Laestadian believer and an opponent of gay marriage.

  34. 5 children, well he did the work most European men are unwilling to do. Maybe his Finnish/Central Asian genes had something to do with it.

    I don’t know his current level of devotion or observance but the PM was raised in the Laestadian sect, a branch of the Lutheran church strongly opposed to contraception.

  35. @Anonymous
    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI, so we should expect GOP politicians to start clamoring for the US to accept these refugee boys soon:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/nyregion/raid-of-rentboy-an-escort-website-angers-gay-activists.html

    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI …

    Not to go OT but WTF was that all about? There has to be some kind of story behind that.

    • Replies: @anon
    Someone who worked there probably tried to blackmail a politician who was already being blackmailed by TPTB.
  36. @Volksgenosse
    You said what I was thinking.

    To homosexuals in the elite (and there are many in the media and politics) an influx of migrants, of which 75%-90% are trim military age men without much in the way of income or assets, is not a bug but a feature.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …an influx of migrants, of which 75%-90% are trim military age men without much in the way of income or assets, is not a bug but a feature.
     
    A feature with many bugs, so to speak.
  37. If you have 10 million boys with nothing to do, you have a problem.

    if you have 100 million refugee boys, they have a problem!

  38. @Priss Factor
    Sickening. Precious moral narcissism. Look at the idiot with the homo refugee sign. Europeans have gone full retard.

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153199943196939/

    Well what a boon for gays, anyway. Formerly they had to go to Tangier, Mexico City, or Bangkok for their boys. Now the boys come to them!

  39. Literal Cuckservative. Gross and creepy.

  40. Here’s an archive of his Facebook page

    https://archive.is/sqgd5

    • Replies: @jon
    It's still up, you just have to be logged in to view it.
  41. @Rifleman

    In case you are wondering, the Finnish prime minister has a wife,
     
    Yes, many of them get married and then........a change happens.

    with whom he has had five children. (I can’t tell how many of them are daughters.)
     
    5 children, well he did the work most European men are unwilling to do. Maybe his Finnish/Central Asian genes had something to do with it.

    What's with those damn glasses on all these creepy White people now?

    My father was gay and married with two kids. If the Finnish PM is 100% straight, I’m Shaka Zulu.

  42. Looks like there’s no fight to the Finnish.

    • Replies: @Blobby5
    Very clever! How about 'no bite to the danish?', no guess not.
    , @Bill Jones
    But they faced down the Russians
  43. Ordinary Straight White guys like Steve get muscled out to the margins. Weirdos like the Finnish PM get to be … well Prime Ministers. Does anyone think Angela Merkel, David Cameron, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Hollande are “normal,” in any sense of the word from say 1955-1989?

    The reason Finland will be over-run with Syrians is so the PM can by all appearances snuggle up to some boy toy. I won’t discount some other, monetary connection. The “refugee” in question seems to have more money than I do to travel and work out and do all sorts of things.

    As for who is doing the muscling, I don’t hold to a conspiracy to fill Europe with Muslims because that’s “good for …” whoever. I view it as the natural and inevitable outcome of European women becoming more powerful and finding the men who their grandmothers found perfectly acceptable, because granny didn’t have much status back then, absolute horrid and “equal.” Which women detest: men equal to themselves. At least for Europe’s women, they can get the full Rotherham experience. As Steve noted “Chicks dig Chechens.”

    I can’t see European men nodding around and saying “We need more young Syrian men to blow stuff up and go full Jihad now and then.” I can certainly see European women “feelz” and following their emotions. Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey being the gateway drugs to mass Third World Male immigration.

    Thought Experiment — if the immigrants were all say, Vietnamese beauties ages 17-24 without any men, would Europe take them?

  44. He’s just the sort of young man Assad needs in his military to defeat ISIS. He should be sent to Syria for induction where he could fight for his country against the terrorists. As it is he’ll probably lead a dissolute life, working as a bouncer at strip clubs.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    One of his photos shows him with an assault rifle and a walkie talkie, wearing a helmet…

    I think he's already battle hardened.
  45. Offtopic:

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/syrian-refugees-protest-leave-uruguay-33584821

    Apparently Syria and Lebanon are preferable to Uruguay. At least once the two years of above minimum wage benefits run out.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to. It’s ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we “offer” them shelter. Do you think it’s fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany – by foot? Do you think it’s fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    • Replies: @WGG
    No. Economic parasitism is real. You are projecting your personal feelings of loyalty to your homeland into the minds of others with no justification whatsoever. Your statement is like saying nobody kills unless they have to, or nobody steals unless they are starving. It simply isn't true. Many people will do myriad ugly things simply for a slight upgrade to their living conditions, whether they were in desperate need or not. And your anger and defensiveness comes from being too cowardly to defend your homeland. Loyalty indeed.
    , @eah
    Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria?

    Just FYI: the vast majority, eg 99+%, are not coming directly from Syria -- they've been living as "refugees" somewhere, but decided a Nice White Country is preferable. The most famous "refugee" father -- the one whose young son drowned -- had been living and working in Turkey for 3 years.

    Also, most people accept that the "refugees" will be better off in a Nice White Country -- we just wonder if the Nice White Countries will be better off. Or even Nice White Countries in the future.

    Somehow you seemed to find the words -- congrats on that.
    , @Anonymous
    There are ways to help people without imposing them on other people. Just as there are ways to help the homeless without having them crash at people's houses forever. There are various other possible ways to help refugees, from buying or leasing or using eminent domain to house and provision for the refugees on unused or little used land, to intervening militarily in Syria to prevent the creation of refugees. Many people would prefer these or other options to having these refugees immigration. However, there is no serious public debate or discussion about this, and European governments are simply trying to allow these refugees to immigrate.
    , @ben tillman

    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to. It’s ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we “offer” them shelter.
     
    It's ridiculous that anyone would think otherwise. As far as I can tell, YOU believe it.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    I think Syrians have legitimate reasons for fleeing their country and should be give aid. The point is that they should be resettled in a third party Muslim nation (Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia), not a Euro-Christian nation.

    You know the little boy who drowned? His family had previously received asylum in Turkey, but they kept on traveling to reach the EU.

    There are ways to handle this crisis that don't involve mass migration into Europe.
    If there's a disaster somewhere, I can donate aid without inviting the victims to live in my house.
    , @Anonym
    Tell that to China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel...
    , @karlub
    FWIW, Point, my family used to joke that my grandfather loved the WWII refugee camp in Strasbourg. Nice scenery, they all had three hots and a cot, and he had time to go hunting. Granted, they left Latvia because they had to. But living in that camp without much to do was like something of a camping vacation for him.

    I'll allow that not everyone gets to enjoy a refugee camp in Strasbourg.

    Interesting relevant side note: My father's family just as soon would have stayed right there, but the French wouldn't have them. A Latvian civil engineer fluent in multiple European languages and functional in French with his wife and two children.

    My how times have changed!
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to.

    I live in the United States of America, and FEW if ANY of my ancestors came here fleeing repression. Perhaps the Irish did, but the English, Scottish (just Scottish, not bloody Scots-Irish), and Germans did not. They came to the US, and before the the English colonies, because here they could make lives for themselves that they couldn't have done in Europe. They fought and killed Indians, grizzly bears, cold, heat, and all manner of privations to do so. And there wasn't a modern navy looking to pick them up in the 1600s and 1700s. People leave bad places for better places all the time, even when the bad places aren't all that awful. My entire fucking country is premised on that idea.

    And yes, sometimes people leave good places for bad places, and part of our history is premised on THAT, too. And some people stay where they are regardless of circumstances. That would be YOUR history.
  47. @Anon7
    Only slightly OT:

    It's time to write your congressmen and the President, and tell them that the United States will NOT be taking any of the 11 million refugees who now feel emboldened to migrate out of the Middle East!

    Write now before it gets momentum.

    PBS now reports that the White House is considering many options including accepting MANY more Syrian refugees. Germany is taking 1% of its population, so if we match that it’s 3.5 million.

    • Replies: @e
    More votes for the Donald if Obama does that.
  48. @Auntie Analogue
    Looks like there's no fight to the Finnish.

    Very clever! How about ‘no bite to the danish?’, no guess not.

  49. @Drake
    Here's an archive of his Facebook page

    https://archive.is/sqgd5

    It’s still up, you just have to be logged in to view it.

  50. @Auntie Analogue
    Looks like there's no fight to the Finnish.

    But they faced down the Russians

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    "But they faced down the Russians"

     

    Sure, they did, my dear Bill Jones; the Finns stymied the Russians. But in 1940 the Finns had the inspiring leadership of Marshall Mannerheim while today, just seventy-five years on, the Finns are stuck with their spineless Prime Minister Who Resembles Drew Carey Except It's Not Funny.

    Today the Finns can't scrounge up the moxie to stymie unarmed invaders. You detect the difference between 1940 and today, I pray.
  51. It’s definitely a very mysterious situation.

    I hope somebody gets to the bottom of this.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    I think someone has already got into the bottom of this.

    The man who started massed immigration in the UK, Edward Heath, was also a knob jockey.
  52. @Dismayed
    "Check it out before it gets deleted."

    LOL it's already deleted.

    It’s not deleted, just hidden.

    https://archive.is/IZqiX

  53. I think it may be more than 80% single males. The media tries to focus on pictures of women. But the more distant group shots seem to range between 90 and 100% young men.

    Here’s a boatload of about 80+ West Africans, appears to be 100% young men:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2014/oct/30/coalition-row-over-drugs-policy-politics-live

    Here’s a boatload of East Africans, looks to be 100% men, thought there are a few middle aged guys:

    Here’s a boatload of Burmese Muslims trying to migrate to Thailand, 100% male:

    Arabs trying to go from Macedonia to Serbia, out of about 40, one possible female:

    Boatload of Syrians crossing into Greece from Turkey. Appears to be 100% male, average age around 30:

    Mix of Arabs and Africans in Greece. I see two headscarved women in the background, otherwise about 98% male:

    The truck full of bodies found in Austria was “71 people, 59 men, eight women and four children.” So 88% of the adults were men.

    Overall, these migrants are more male than the United States Army.

  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's definitely a very mysterious situation.

    I hope somebody gets to the bottom of this.

    I think someone has already got into the bottom of this.

    The man who started massed immigration in the UK, Edward Heath, was also a knob jockey.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    I think the Finnish PM and his bodybuilding "friend" really need to queer things up.

    Sorry, I meant "clear."
  55. “Here’s Refugee Boy’s Facebook page, which gives you an amazing inside look at what being a refugee is like in the smartphone age. Check it out before it gets deleted.”

    Too late.

  56. Eric Holder type shot in head:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-administration-lawyer-is-shot-in-the-head.html

    The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route.

    • Replies: @eah
    flamboyant

    Someone in the MSM must've gotten hold of a thesaurus -- flamboyant is the new vibrant.
    , @Bugg
    This supposed parade has been a legally-tolerated riot for a generation every Labor Day. Cops fight to get the day off rather than work this total shitshow because NYPD has them stand down. but the MSM will tell you it's a wonderful multi culti diversity festival rather than an open air narcotics and firearms debacle.
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    How is more Blacks Behaving Badly news?
  57. William Burroughs would have plucked that plum.

  58. Some in The Netherlands have this Moving People project where they use figurines to demonstrate “mini refugees”.

    Moving People

  59. @Lot
    Eric Holder type shot in head:

    www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-administration-lawyer-is-shot-in-the-head.html


    The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route.
     

    flamboyant

    Someone in the MSM must’ve gotten hold of a thesaurus — flamboyant is the new vibrant.

  60. @Rifleman

    In case you are wondering, the Finnish prime minister has a wife,
     
    Yes, many of them get married and then........a change happens.

    with whom he has had five children. (I can’t tell how many of them are daughters.)
     
    5 children, well he did the work most European men are unwilling to do. Maybe his Finnish/Central Asian genes had something to do with it.

    What's with those damn glasses on all these creepy White people now?

    He comes from Laestadians. They are like the Mormons of Finland, a movement originally started to get Saamis out of shamanism and alcoholism that somehow became mostly Finnish movements that are conservative and insular to the point that the rest of us find them cultlike. Outwardly nice Ned Flanders types but also known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness in business and politics if you’re outside their networks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestadianism

    Their part of Finland is very visible in any birth rate map:

    Mr Sipilä is a good example of why to never trust the rural conservatives. They’re all desperate to prove to the Helsinki media that they’re not just dumb hicks from the north and love for refugees is a “Christian” way to get praise from the media when he cannot please them on abortion and gay marriage. We now have what must be the most conservative government in all of the EU and sure, the liberals think the world is ending because some law on transsexuals isn’t going to get liberalized, but these people have still decided to turn us into Sweden II on refugees.

    • Replies: @Hepp
    Aren't you a little hard on pretty much some of the only people in northern Europe that are having children? I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not "known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness." I doubt the Laestadians are either.
    , @Steve Sailer
    You have to watch out for the Ned Flanders-types when it comes to immigration politics.
    , @TWS
    So Finland has a government to the left of FDR but that's still not 'progressive' enough to you. Still feel like you have to make up for being on Hitler's side. Don't lots of countries were.
  61. @Lot
    Eric Holder type shot in head:

    www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-administration-lawyer-is-shot-in-the-head.html


    The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route.
     

    This supposed parade has been a legally-tolerated riot for a generation every Labor Day. Cops fight to get the day off rather than work this total shitshow because NYPD has them stand down. but the MSM will tell you it’s a wonderful multi culti diversity festival rather than an open air narcotics and firearms debacle.

  62. @Jaakko Raipala
    He comes from Laestadians. They are like the Mormons of Finland, a movement originally started to get Saamis out of shamanism and alcoholism that somehow became mostly Finnish movements that are conservative and insular to the point that the rest of us find them cultlike. Outwardly nice Ned Flanders types but also known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness in business and politics if you're outside their networks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestadianism

    Their part of Finland is very visible in any birth rate map:

    http://tilastokeskus.fi/til/synt/2011/synt_2011_2012-04-13_kuv_003_fi_001.gif

    Mr Sipilä is a good example of why to never trust the rural conservatives. They're all desperate to prove to the Helsinki media that they're not just dumb hicks from the north and love for refugees is a "Christian" way to get praise from the media when he cannot please them on abortion and gay marriage. We now have what must be the most conservative government in all of the EU and sure, the liberals think the world is ending because some law on transsexuals isn't going to get liberalized, but these people have still decided to turn us into Sweden II on refugees.

    Aren’t you a little hard on pretty much some of the only people in northern Europe that are having children? I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not “known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness.” I doubt the Laestadians are either.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    But more marginal groups like the Amish, Hasids, polygamous Mormons etc. certainly are.
    , @ben tillman

    I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not “known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness.”
     
    Well, in most of America, Mormons don't really have any reputation, but when you do meet them they generally turn out to be pretty ruthless in business.
    , @Anonym
    My experience in business with Mormons, sample size 2 - one very trustworthy. Other one shameless, opportunistic criminal.
  63. @Nguyen
    What a body!

    If I was a girl I would demand immigration. If the men are even a tenth attractive as that then let the come.

    Men with good bodies are usually very talented in bed. Just look at Black Men

    Men with good bodies are usually very talented in bed. Just look at Black Men.

    Black men are notoriously bad in bed. Was your comment meant to be sarcastic?

  64. @Anon7
    PBS now reports that the White House is considering many options including accepting MANY more Syrian refugees. Germany is taking 1% of its population, so if we match that it's 3.5 million.

    More votes for the Donald if Obama does that.

  65. @Hepp
    Aren't you a little hard on pretty much some of the only people in northern Europe that are having children? I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not "known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness." I doubt the Laestadians are either.

    But more marginal groups like the Amish, Hasids, polygamous Mormons etc. certainly are.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    But more marginal groups like the Amish, Hasids, polygamous Mormons etc. certainly are.
     
    The Amish? Not in Lancaster County. Not in the least.
  66. @anonymous
    He's just the sort of young man Assad needs in his military to defeat ISIS. He should be sent to Syria for induction where he could fight for his country against the terrorists. As it is he'll probably lead a dissolute life, working as a bouncer at strip clubs.

    One of his photos shows him with an assault rifle and a walkie talkie, wearing a helmet…

    I think he’s already battle hardened.

  67. If only he was Tom of Finland! – but Venice CA, was another planet and a time warp as to what is happening in Europe today. What I could glean from the FB message:

    A bromance kind of guy (Finn) believes another Finn has illegally threatened to kill Fariz, and Fariz answers in a girlfriendly way, way gaydar way, that he is fine…Next, it seems a fellow Jihaddi responds to that threat by that badass Finn to hunt down FARIZ and kill him ( Fariz is definitely low IQ, BTW, duh). But his puppet master (somewhat smarter) is from Central Casting of ISIS:

    Fariz: hahaha – these shitty people (Finns) they’re all just talk. They’re too afraid to do anything because they realize how crazy (Jihaddies?) we are.

    Abdullah answers: don’t worry about these dummies, let them say what they say. So full of shit these people.

    Fariz answers: Yes and I won’t.

    Abdullah implores: Let them live in peace, but DO NOT GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION of the Finns/Finland (perhaps that the Finns are realizing they gotta get rid of all the Muslim men on their lands like, hello?, pronto)
    __________________________________________
    OK so, it took like an hour to write all this scheisse because I am angry, embarrassed and ready to kill with my bare hands…a true Finn. F!

    After having been there this summer, I did get into some arguments with my connections (some relatives) who are more liberal and live in la-la land. Ever since 9/11 everyone who knows me in Finland, knows that I have always been mistrustful of globalization, and have refrained from discussing diversity, ever since I left to live in the USA (as a child) my cousins remark that I am different – well, major, duh. Plus, I just happened to be connected to NYC & 9/11.

    And, this exchange by a male-body obsessed jihaddi, must have just blew the guts out of the current Finnish Govt. I even tried to get through avenues I know to glean more info on this jerk, but, No; big-time firewall. Finns have finally been taken. Finns were soooo la-di-dah about migrants flooding into the country, that honestly, I didn’t know whether it is safe to walk the streets in Helsinki next summer. Migrants were 6 times more than last summer, and, my brother who was in Norway, said it was down-right uncomfortable in Oslo, wondering if you have to be aware of your personal belongings. And, my eldest brother, the most liberal, intellectual, well-traveled, curious, magnanimous and witty man I know was getting paranoid.

    I hate this PM. He is a pansy-assed guy – everyone here gets that. He is from the north and he is like a “born again” Christian since he belongs to a certain sect or a cult with Christian overtones. He is such a dork, but Finland, for whatever reason, has elected a lot of dorks in the last 20 years. The president is not a dork; and “our” party’s guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork, but the PM has more power than the PM in many ways.

    Just so everyone on Steve’s club knows, I belong to the Ntl Coalition Party (the only Right Wing one, even if it is watered-down) and, the Swedish Speaking Party. Sipila is part of the abhorrent liberal parties (there are like, 4) that are colossally clueless. Plus, he comes from Oulu (which is like coming from Fargo to be POTUS). The soft bigotry of low expectations indeed!.

    I know the Finnish intelligence and probably CIA are all over this. I just hope the CIA is working overtime…they, at least, do love the Finns, and, the Finns love the USA, always have.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    didn't correct correctly: President for Pm in last line of paragraph/sentence 10. But, I am still, colossally disappointed that the Finnish government is finally buckling to multiculturalism and that the people are not taking to the streets screaming to ream Sipila and these apparatchiks over the danger of bringing in all these migrant males...NOT Syrian females w/ babies - war refugees. Finns have lost their balls and will lose their way of life if they don't wake up. They've already lost 15,000 of their most educated young people(25-35 year olds)to jobs overseas...tax base is eroding.
    , @Esso

    and “our” party’s guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork
     
    Ok, so you don't actually know anything about Finland.

    Perhaps you were visiting St. Petersburg? Or you are writing from there?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Perkele! I was going to bring up Tom. Oh, well, at least I can link to Chickenhawk, which is even nastier. Tom, for all his faults, stuck to men.

    He also hated the Nazis, but said they had the sexiest uniforms.

  68. So man hits middle age, his testosterone drops, and suddenly his sexual interests , ahem…expand?

    Yeah, never happened before.

    Paging Oscar Wilde.

    More seriously, the ancient Greeks observed quite accurately how many middle-aged men suddenly develop a penchant for youthful teen/early 20s boys once the marriage/kids have happened and the bloom of the old man’s own youth is off.

    Of course, the Greeks weren’t crass enough to think the older man was somehow “born gay” but instead merely noted that he liked younger men as much as younger women. So they set up a social system to prevent such disreputable behavior from overwhelming their society—basically, the pairings were allowed, but only under strict rules, and were terminated after a period of time,

    No one is born gay, duh. That’s a political lie the left came up with in the 70s once the idea of “choosing” to be gay merely led observers to the inescapable conclusion that choosing such a lifestyle was very bad for society and for the men involved. So “born gay” was politically selected as a meme.

    It’s best to think of gay proclivities the same way one things about heroin use : some people are more likely to develop it more strongly than others, but anyone’s poor choices and dissolute lifestyle can lead to it. It doesn’t excuse wallowing in it, and it isn’t positive for anyone to choose to partake in the activity.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Except that doesn't really stack up based on what I've seen. The gay guy I know, knew he was homosexual before he was 10. He had kids btw. Homosexual in nature before, during, after marriage. His wife was shaped very boyishly.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can't conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.

    I think some people are probably in the middle somewhere, and for them, some life choices can lead to a homosexual lifestyle.
    , @Anonymous
    "No one is born gay duh."

    That's an absolute lie. I am gay, I have been attracted to men since I was nine. It became undeniable when I was around thirteen-fourteen. I didn't even know of the word 'gay' then. I live in a country where you go to prison for being gay. There's no 'gay propaganda'. A really pretty girl often tried to flirt with me during middle school, but I always turned her down, because I didn't feel anything. I couldn't feel anything even if I wanted to. To think that I was really attracted to girls but turned them down just so I could choose a highly taboo identity which I couldn't even label at the time is ridiculous.

    I have met dozens of gay men since then and all of them knew they were attracted exclusively to men in their teens and pre-teens. Sexuality is highly biological.

    I have seen a lot of right-wingers try to use people of flexible sexuality who switch between dating men and women or whose sexuality is more fluid... as 'proof' that gays 'choose to be gay' (why is never answered). By definition, these people, who exist in very small numbers, are bisexual. If you are attracted to men and women, at the same time or at different times, you are bisexual, not gay. That again, is not a 'choice'! It is my impression that women are more likely to be bisexual than men. Again, this is still a very very small percentage of women.

    The left-wing vehemently argues that biological sex and race are 'social constructs'. Many on the Nrx and alt-right bandwagon similarly cling to notions that sexuality is a social construct. The negrophiles try to use exceptional negroes to somehow 'prove' that we're all equal and just the same, that racial disparities are cultural. Similarly anti-gay people usually love to use exceptional 'gays' (read: bisexuals or sexually confused ppl) to state we're all just the same and culture creates sexual-orientation disparities. Both are wrong.

    Whether homos are 100% born this way or not, I can assure you they don't have a choice. Now bisexuals who are equally attracted to both sexes - they have a choice which attractions to act on. You can tell them to choose the 'right' lifestyle if you wish. But, outside of advanced genetic technology, I don't think you'll be able to make gays 'hetero' or heteros gay by propaganda. I hope such technology will exist by 2100, so people like me don't have to explain all this repeatedly or be executed or imprisoned in most of the world or live fake lives marrying heteros (which I'll never do).

    95%+ people are heterosexual. All the alarm about homosexuality is nonsensical. It's not even hard to imagine how us homos feel. I am guessing you are a man attracted to women, right? Now think about your attraction to women, how natural it feels, that's how you've felt most of your life - that's how lesbians feel. Now imagine yourself kissing, having sex with men. Is that repulsive? Out of the question? That's how lesbians also feel. Easy. A hetero woman can similarly imagine how gay men feel. Don't become antagonized towards gays just because SJWs use their identity for political points. I despise feminism in general but will not allow it turn me antagonistic towards women.

    Sorry for bad English, I'm not a native speaker. I am trying to explain here, that's all, not attacking anyone. Have a good day.
  69. “The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route.”

    Ah yes, the West Indian day parade … here, Knotting Hill, Toronto. Never fails.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Isn't the back cover of The Clash album from 1977 of police and thieves battling at a West Indian festival in London ... almost 40 years ago?

    http://perso.numericable.fr/joinfil/CD/jaquettes/The%20CLASH.jpg

    The future will be just like the past, only more so.

  70. I actually thought ‘they should let just this one in, he’s quite hot’ and stared at his muscular body for a while, smiling. And then I scroll down and it says “He is a servant of Allah…” and I instantly wanted him to disappear forever.

    This is really troublesome to me. Syrians, Iranians and some other arabs could have become good second-tier euros as european populations dwindle. They have the birth rates. Many of their men (especially the lighter skinned ones) are quite good looking. So are the women (when they aren’t hiding in disgusting burqas). But they are all infected by Islam. You admire their above-s-s-african intelligence and good aesthetics and then they open their mouths to say “Allahu Akbar!” and you can feel your optimism and hope for humanity draining away from your disappointed, sighing body.

    Is there any other population/group that has good aesthetics, at least close-to-100 average IQ, 2.5+ fertility rate that is not infected by Islam? I can only think of the Amish. Maybe Mormons can be included too. I’d add Indian Punjabis but their fertility rate is now close to western euro levels.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Is there any other population/group that has good aesthetics, at least close-to-100 average IQ, 2.5+ fertility rate that is not infected by Islam? "

    The Hasidim?
  71. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Your lack of empathy is despicable.”

    Or maybe it’s your lack of empathy, or blind empathy, or inability to formulate a solution that will end better for everyone that’s despicable. Perhaps you only have selective empathy for some people, you don’t have enough empathy to go around. Or perhaps you are overwhelmed with empathy and cannot think clearly. Or perhaps you think once the pain of the moment is solved the problem will all go away.

    I don’t think the easy way out here is to simply say “yes, we will accept any number of immigrants/refugees”. Like in the US southwest, they will never stop coming if it seems possible. You end up being responsible for many deaths. And some of those most in need are unable to make the trip.

    Do we need to do something to help these people? Yes, absolutely. These things have happened before, they will probably happen again. It would probably be a good start to make conditions in the camps in Turkey, Jordon, wherever, better. (For instance Site Two Refugee Camp: Site Two was closed in mid-1993. So this miserable camp operated for about 20 years after the end of the Vietnam war.) Is it empathetic to favor all those young men in their 20s over all those poor old women in their 50s who are still in the camps and aren’t up for the journey?

    I wasn’t one of those people screaming for Assad to be deposed (not that I think he was a great guy or anything). Of course, these days I wonder if one reason for all that was to disguise the failure of the war in Iraq to put the hurt on ISIS as ISIS took over a good chunk of Syria and Iraq. Assad doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Even if he does, will things change? Maybe the solution that would do the most good would be for those with real power in the region (I imagine at least the US and Russia) to _really_ get Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Gulf States, and everybody else with anything in the fight (trans-national Islamists) to stop pouring money, arms, and fighters into Syria. Of course, a threat like that with people like that will likely have to be backed up by realistic threat of force… Do you have enough empathy to appreciate that?

  72. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    No. Economic parasitism is real. You are projecting your personal feelings of loyalty to your homeland into the minds of others with no justification whatsoever. Your statement is like saying nobody kills unless they have to, or nobody steals unless they are starving. It simply isn’t true. Many people will do myriad ugly things simply for a slight upgrade to their living conditions, whether they were in desperate need or not. And your anger and defensiveness comes from being too cowardly to defend your homeland. Loyalty indeed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Northern Italy - Venice, Treviso, Padova, even Lake Garda - has a visible sub-Saharan African presence that simply didn't exist ten years back. Nearly all young men.

    A guy was going from table to table begging, saying he'd just come from Libya. Didn't seem to be getting much sympathy from the locals.

  73. @M_Young
    "The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route."

    Ah yes, the West Indian day parade ... here, Knotting Hill, Toronto. Never fails.

    Isn’t the back cover of The Clash album from 1977 of police and thieves battling at a West Indian festival in London … almost 40 years ago?

    The future will be just like the past, only more so.

  74. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria?

    Just FYI: the vast majority, eg 99+%, are not coming directly from Syria — they’ve been living as “refugees” somewhere, but decided a Nice White Country is preferable. The most famous “refugee” father — the one whose young son drowned — had been living and working in Turkey for 3 years.

    Also, most people accept that the “refugees” will be better off in a Nice White Country — we just wonder if the Nice White Countries will be better off. Or even Nice White Countries in the future.

    Somehow you seemed to find the words — congrats on that.

  75. @Lagertha
    If only he was Tom of Finland! - but Venice CA, was another planet and a time warp as to what is happening in Europe today. What I could glean from the FB message:

    A bromance kind of guy (Finn) believes another Finn has illegally threatened to kill Fariz, and Fariz answers in a girlfriendly way, way gaydar way, that he is fine...Next, it seems a fellow Jihaddi responds to that threat by that badass Finn to hunt down FARIZ and kill him ( Fariz is definitely low IQ, BTW, duh). But his puppet master (somewhat smarter) is from Central Casting of ISIS:

    Fariz: hahaha - these shitty people (Finns) they're all just talk. They're too afraid to do anything because they realize how crazy (Jihaddies?) we are.

    Abdullah answers: don't worry about these dummies, let them say what they say. So full of shit these people.

    Fariz answers: Yes and I won't.

    Abdullah implores: Let them live in peace, but DO NOT GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION of the Finns/Finland (perhaps that the Finns are realizing they gotta get rid of all the Muslim men on their lands like, hello?, pronto)
    __________________________________________
    OK so, it took like an hour to write all this scheisse because I am angry, embarrassed and ready to kill with my bare hands...a true Finn. F!

    After having been there this summer, I did get into some arguments with my connections (some relatives) who are more liberal and live in la-la land. Ever since 9/11 everyone who knows me in Finland, knows that I have always been mistrustful of globalization, and have refrained from discussing diversity, ever since I left to live in the USA (as a child) my cousins remark that I am different - well, major, duh. Plus, I just happened to be connected to NYC & 9/11.

    And, this exchange by a male-body obsessed jihaddi, must have just blew the guts out of the current Finnish Govt. I even tried to get through avenues I know to glean more info on this jerk, but, No; big-time firewall. Finns have finally been taken. Finns were soooo la-di-dah about migrants flooding into the country, that honestly, I didn't know whether it is safe to walk the streets in Helsinki next summer. Migrants were 6 times more than last summer, and, my brother who was in Norway, said it was down-right uncomfortable in Oslo, wondering if you have to be aware of your personal belongings. And, my eldest brother, the most liberal, intellectual, well-traveled, curious, magnanimous and witty man I know was getting paranoid.

    I hate this PM. He is a pansy-assed guy - everyone here gets that. He is from the north and he is like a "born again" Christian since he belongs to a certain sect or a cult with Christian overtones. He is such a dork, but Finland, for whatever reason, has elected a lot of dorks in the last 20 years. The president is not a dork; and "our" party's guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork, but the PM has more power than the PM in many ways.

    Just so everyone on Steve's club knows, I belong to the Ntl Coalition Party (the only Right Wing one, even if it is watered-down) and, the Swedish Speaking Party. Sipila is part of the abhorrent liberal parties (there are like, 4) that are colossally clueless. Plus, he comes from Oulu (which is like coming from Fargo to be POTUS). The soft bigotry of low expectations indeed!.

    I know the Finnish intelligence and probably CIA are all over this. I just hope the CIA is working overtime...they, at least, do love the Finns, and, the Finns love the USA, always have.

    didn’t correct correctly: President for Pm in last line of paragraph/sentence 10. But, I am still, colossally disappointed that the Finnish government is finally buckling to multiculturalism and that the people are not taking to the streets screaming to ream Sipila and these apparatchiks over the danger of bringing in all these migrant males…NOT Syrian females w/ babies – war refugees. Finns have lost their balls and will lose their way of life if they don’t wake up. They’ve already lost 15,000 of their most educated young people(25-35 year olds)to jobs overseas…tax base is eroding.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    There are ways to help people without imposing them on other people. Just as there are ways to help the homeless without having them crash at people’s houses forever. There are various other possible ways to help refugees, from buying or leasing or using eminent domain to house and provision for the refugees on unused or little used land, to intervening militarily in Syria to prevent the creation of refugees. Many people would prefer these or other options to having these refugees immigration. However, there is no serious public debate or discussion about this, and European governments are simply trying to allow these refugees to immigrate.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Have any studies been done on whether women are aroused by images of military-age men acting in concert, especially in conquering new territory (such as is happening in the United States and Europe)?

    One can easily come up with a rudimentary theory from evolutionary psychology predicting such a response. It would also explain my anecdotal observations that women tend to be more sanguine about immigration than men are.

    It also might explain the relative absence of women historically from leadership roles in enduring civilizations.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>Have any studies been done on whether women are aroused by images of military-age men acting in concert.....

    Any such studies would be worthless. Psychology is a pseudo-scientific wasteland of fraud.
  78. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The main reason the UN was created was to prevent the type of wars that destroy entire countries and displace millions of people. If liberals are too morally gutless to send in ground troops to sit on everybody and execute the ringleaders on both sides, then they need to seize the complete bank assets of both warring factions in Syria and use the money to pay for the upkeep of the migrants who are burdening Western countries. With the cash gone dry, the warring Syrian factions won’t be able to pay for more arms and ammo, and the fighting should peter out. The remaining assets can then be used to send the migrants back to their homeland.

    But liberals will never think of anything that sensible. Liberals are lousy cops.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Russia is supporting Syria, and it is on the UN Security Council. So the UN can't do anything.
  79. @snorlax
    But more marginal groups like the Amish, Hasids, polygamous Mormons etc. certainly are.

    But more marginal groups like the Amish, Hasids, polygamous Mormons etc. certainly are.

    The Amish? Not in Lancaster County. Not in the least.

  80. @Hepp
    Aren't you a little hard on pretty much some of the only people in northern Europe that are having children? I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not "known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness." I doubt the Laestadians are either.

    I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not “known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness.”

    Well, in most of America, Mormons don’t really have any reputation, but when you do meet them they generally turn out to be pretty ruthless in business.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Mormon business mafias outside of Utah in places like Colorado and Arizona that have sizeable Mormon populations that do a lot of business with non-Mormons don't have the best squeaky clean reputations. Many of them have a reputation for ruthlessness, untrustworthiness, and cliquishness among outsiders that have to deal with them.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Are these good, or "jack", Mormons?

    Leyland Stevenson, the "star" of the documentary Chickenhawk, started out as a Mormon missionary. I'm inclined to think he was jack.
  81. @Bleuteaux
    Yes, this drives me crazy. I haven't read many stories on this, but has there been ANY investigative journalism into how these people get to Greece or Hungary in the first place? Sorry, I just don't buy that they're actually all randomly walking 5,000 miles to Germany or some such. And most of the people in these pictures are clean shaven, recent haircuts, comfortable clothes. But they're the wretched refuse that Europe just can't turn away?

    It reeks of a orchestrated effort and funded by some ME billionaires.

    It’s a invasion force. There are far too many young healthy males in the mix. Once established expect bloodshed.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    This from a comment thread in the Financial Times about migrants going to Germany:

    (Note: I never saw readers' comments being this sharp before.)


    Don't be fooled; this is a hijrah, the spreading of the faith through mass emigration. This is exactly how Islam started. In fact, Muslim scholars look at the hijrah from Mecca to Medina as the true beginning of Islam. This is why you don't see any of the leaders of these six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain declaring emergency refugee status to their own Sunni brothern and opening up their own borders to accept them.
    The leaders of these same six Gulf countries would like nothing better than to have crusader blood spilled ridding them of the ISIS threat rather than their own. This is yet another reason why they, themselves, will not offer any of their own religious brothern emergency refugee status to come to their countries. The west is being blackmailed by these Gulf states.
    Ms Merkel should be demanding these Gulf states immediately open their borders and allow their fellow Sunni refugees to enter their countries.
  82. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to. It’s ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we “offer” them shelter.

    It’s ridiculous that anyone would think otherwise. As far as I can tell, YOU believe it.

  83. @CJ
    Rentboy.com was recently raided and shut down by the FBI ...

    Not to go OT but WTF was that all about? There has to be some kind of story behind that.

    Someone who worked there probably tried to blackmail a politician who was already being blackmailed by TPTB.

  84. Clearly an aging rent-boy who clearly recognized a closet case when he saw one.

  85. @Anon
    The main reason the UN was created was to prevent the type of wars that destroy entire countries and displace millions of people. If liberals are too morally gutless to send in ground troops to sit on everybody and execute the ringleaders on both sides, then they need to seize the complete bank assets of both warring factions in Syria and use the money to pay for the upkeep of the migrants who are burdening Western countries. With the cash gone dry, the warring Syrian factions won't be able to pay for more arms and ammo, and the fighting should peter out. The remaining assets can then be used to send the migrants back to their homeland.

    But liberals will never think of anything that sensible. Liberals are lousy cops.

    Russia is supporting Syria, and it is on the UN Security Council. So the UN can’t do anything.

  86. @Anonymous
    Have any studies been done on whether women are aroused by images of military-age men acting in concert, especially in conquering new territory (such as is happening in the United States and Europe)?

    One can easily come up with a rudimentary theory from evolutionary psychology predicting such a response. It would also explain my anecdotal observations that women tend to be more sanguine about immigration than men are.

    It also might explain the relative absence of women historically from leadership roles in enduring civilizations.

    >>Have any studies been done on whether women are aroused by images of military-age men acting in concert…..

    Any such studies would be worthless. Psychology is a pseudo-scientific wasteland of fraud.

  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not “known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness.”
     
    Well, in most of America, Mormons don't really have any reputation, but when you do meet them they generally turn out to be pretty ruthless in business.

    The Mormon business mafias outside of Utah in places like Colorado and Arizona that have sizeable Mormon populations that do a lot of business with non-Mormons don’t have the best squeaky clean reputations. Many of them have a reputation for ruthlessness, untrustworthiness, and cliquishness among outsiders that have to deal with them.

  88. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Henceforth, I demand that all European elites pack their homes with Third World refugees. Pack em tight. And forever.

    PS. I wonder if one reason why Europeans and whites never learn anything from past experience is because they’ve fallen under a consumerist mentality.
    Merkel talks of HOPE. It’s what consumers feel every time they buy new stuff. Even though they buy something and it turns out to be a downer, they keep buying cuz there’s the HOPE that it will THE thing. It’s the way some people get married and divorced and married and divorced. It’s as if the NEW SPOUSE will be the answer, but sooner or later, he or she is also dumped for another.

    Europeans surely have a lot of bad experiences with immigrants and refugees so far. So, you’d think NO MORE. But instead, they think it will be better this time cuz it’s a NEW BATCH.

    It’s like a woman who’s disappointed with clothes/fashion she bought not long ago and keeps getting new ones instead of realizing that all these clothes aint gonna bring her happiness.

    Instead of shedding old immigrants/invaders, Europeans keep dreaming of NEW HOPE with new doses of marauders posing as refugees.

    • Replies: @Ed
    One of the wealthiest men in Spain and the most titled aristocrat in Europe has been housing two Syrian refugee families quietly for 18 months.

    I get the anger and don't agree with what Merkel is doing but some people take their Christian duty seriously. Let's be careful here.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225656/Youngest-son-eccentric-Spanish-aristocrat-throws-open-doors-country-home-two-Syrian-families-fled-war-torn-country.html
  89. @Jaakko Raipala
    He comes from Laestadians. They are like the Mormons of Finland, a movement originally started to get Saamis out of shamanism and alcoholism that somehow became mostly Finnish movements that are conservative and insular to the point that the rest of us find them cultlike. Outwardly nice Ned Flanders types but also known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness in business and politics if you're outside their networks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestadianism

    Their part of Finland is very visible in any birth rate map:

    http://tilastokeskus.fi/til/synt/2011/synt_2011_2012-04-13_kuv_003_fi_001.gif

    Mr Sipilä is a good example of why to never trust the rural conservatives. They're all desperate to prove to the Helsinki media that they're not just dumb hicks from the north and love for refugees is a "Christian" way to get praise from the media when he cannot please them on abortion and gay marriage. We now have what must be the most conservative government in all of the EU and sure, the liberals think the world is ending because some law on transsexuals isn't going to get liberalized, but these people have still decided to turn us into Sweden II on refugees.

    You have to watch out for the Ned Flanders-types when it comes to immigration politics.

  90. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    The idea of Europe defined by ideology or values is crazy.

    History is proof. Christianity was once synonymous with Europe. So, one would think Christian values and dogma are what Europe was and is all about. But Europeans were European before Christianity and after Christianity(as Europe has essentially been de-Christianized). Even with change of values, Europe was Europe.

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.

    If Europe is all about values, then cosmopolitan Hong Kong is European. India is European because it politically adopted liberal democracy.

    Core of Europe is not about values or ideas which come and go and can be imported or exported around the world. It is race, land, and cultural/historical memory and consciousness. Europe had different values during Roman times and during Christian times than it has today. But they were all part of European history and pageant because they were the story of the European people in European land and civilization.

    Germans were Germanic as pagans, as Christians, as social-democrats, as Nazis, as communists, as liberal democrats, and etc. Good or bad, the essence of Germanness was ethnic and territorial and historical. If those core identifications are lost, then the nation is lost.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Good or bad, the essence of Germanness was ethnic and territorial and historical. If those core identifications are lost, then the nation is lost.

    Destruction of the Gernan nation is the endgame in all of this.
    , @Lex

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.
     
    What? Where was communism "values and ideology"? Even apparatchiks didn't believe this. Under communist rule Poland in fact become more Christian than ever.
  91. @Jaakko Raipala
    He comes from Laestadians. They are like the Mormons of Finland, a movement originally started to get Saamis out of shamanism and alcoholism that somehow became mostly Finnish movements that are conservative and insular to the point that the rest of us find them cultlike. Outwardly nice Ned Flanders types but also known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness in business and politics if you're outside their networks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laestadianism

    Their part of Finland is very visible in any birth rate map:

    http://tilastokeskus.fi/til/synt/2011/synt_2011_2012-04-13_kuv_003_fi_001.gif

    Mr Sipilä is a good example of why to never trust the rural conservatives. They're all desperate to prove to the Helsinki media that they're not just dumb hicks from the north and love for refugees is a "Christian" way to get praise from the media when he cannot please them on abortion and gay marriage. We now have what must be the most conservative government in all of the EU and sure, the liberals think the world is ending because some law on transsexuals isn't going to get liberalized, but these people have still decided to turn us into Sweden II on refugees.

    So Finland has a government to the left of FDR but that’s still not ‘progressive’ enough to you. Still feel like you have to make up for being on Hitler’s side. Don’t lots of countries were.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    Why would Finns feel some need to make up for anything? World War II was just a continuation of a near millennium of history of us being stuck fighting the Russians for some Germanic cause that isn't planning on giving us equal rights.

    The irony is that the biggest cultural corruption we suffered from World War II is that Finns feel overly positive towards Germany and we instantly rushed to make ourselves Germany's most faithful servant in the EU without any debate. It's hardly likely an accident that we hopped on the refugee train right after Germany's choice and right after the elections that saw a personal visit from Angela Merkel to show support for the most pro-EU, pro-multiculturalism of candidates some of whom are now sitting in government.

    And the current Finnish government is extremely conservative even by American standards with the center right party being supported by the right-wing party and the so-called far-right-wing populist party. Sipilä spent half a year being intensely hated by the media for his refusal to compromise on his convictions that abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong. I did keep telling my countrymen that hoping for anti-immigration policies from religious conservatives is basically begging for the flood but no one seems to have listened.
  92. @Bill Jones
    But they faced down the Russians

    “But they faced down the Russians”

    Sure, they did, my dear Bill Jones; the Finns stymied the Russians. But in 1940 the Finns had the inspiring leadership of Marshall Mannerheim while today, just seventy-five years on, the Finns are stuck with their spineless Prime Minister Who Resembles Drew Carey Except It’s Not Funny.

    Today the Finns can’t scrounge up the moxie to stymie unarmed invaders. You detect the difference between 1940 and today, I pray.

  93. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    I think Syrians have legitimate reasons for fleeing their country and should be give aid. The point is that they should be resettled in a third party Muslim nation (Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia), not a Euro-Christian nation.

    You know the little boy who drowned? His family had previously received asylum in Turkey, but they kept on traveling to reach the EU.

    There are ways to handle this crisis that don’t involve mass migration into Europe.
    If there’s a disaster somewhere, I can donate aid without inviting the victims to live in my house.

  94. Ah yes, the cute refugee boys. Tragically shorn of parents and so in need of strong male guidance.

  95. @Ed
    I don't think he's gay. He's not giving his home to the bodybuilder but any refugee family. At any rate one thing about all this that has me puzzled is that it's a big scam. I'd like to think even liberals don't like being taken for a ride.

    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    His party was formerly known as the "rural alliance". Decades ago as their strategists worried about their voter base in small farmers, rural shopkeepers and the like disappearing with urbanization and they rebranded as the "Center Party" but it hasn't had much success in southern cities. The vote share looks like this every election:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Eduskuntavaalit_2015.png

    Green = the Center Party is the biggest party. This is basically a population density map.

    As for this ridiculousness in the face of an obvious scammer, it's just the same phenomenon that has led to the Swedish multicultural lunacy. We both have cultures that put a high value on trust and honesty. The flipside of this culture is that accusing someone of dishonesty is considered an extremely serious insult. I'm afraid when most Finns look at this clip they'll just think "well that kid is an obvious scammer but look at what a nice trusting man Sipilä is".

    The traditional way Sweden dealt with this vulnerability was to be a militant Protestant state where everyone else faced major legal restrictions or was altogether banned. Dismantling the state restrictions that protected our naive individuals and making lack of "racism" the most desirable virtue of all are an extremely toxic combination where we get scammed but we feel virtuous for it. Our culture just puts zero shame or blame on someone for being excessively trusting so people feel free to show off how they're getting scammed by migrants as proof of how they're not some sort of suspicious, xenophobic, prejudiced racists.

    This would play out very differently in neighboring Russia where distrust is normal and no leader ever scored respect points by televising themselves getting scammed. I wish there was a way to import their lack of respect for gullibility without importing all their other values.

  96. @Ed
    I don't think he's gay. He's not giving his home to the bodybuilder but any refugee family. At any rate one thing about all this that has me puzzled is that it's a big scam. I'd like to think even liberals don't like being taken for a ride.

    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, Sipilä made the announcement concerning the family house in a TV interview before visiting the refugee centre.

    Sipilä is a self-made millionaire. During the 1990s, he employed some Iraqis who had fled the Saddam regime and had positive experiences. As a Christian businessman and a DIY guy, he probably approaches the situation using what might be called the MacGyver method: being a nice guy, building trust, emphasizing volunteer work and charity, looking for clever solutions to difficult problems.

  97. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    If Europeanness is about ‘good values’, I guess Germans were not European when they were Nazis and communists. I guess all the Europeans were not European during the era of oppressive serfdom.
    According to the current idiot ideology that says Europeanness is about values, one would have to say Europeans were not European through most of European history since the values of yesteryear would appall the sensibilities of today. According to PC logic, European history begins with ‘gay marriage’ and the bearded Eurovision ‘lady’.

    It’d be like Chinese saying Chineseness is all about Maoism. That would indicate Chinese were not Chinese until Mao came along. No wonder the Red Guards smashed so much of culture and heritage during the Cultural Revolution.

    It’s like saying, “I’m about working hard. So, when I’m not working hard, I’m not me.”

  98. @rod1963
    It reeks of a orchestrated effort and funded by some ME billionaires.

    It's a invasion force. There are far too many young healthy males in the mix. Once established expect bloodshed.

    This from a comment thread in the Financial Times about migrants going to Germany:

    (Note: I never saw readers’ comments being this sharp before.)

    Don’t be fooled; this is a hijrah, the spreading of the faith through mass emigration. This is exactly how Islam started. In fact, Muslim scholars look at the hijrah from Mecca to Medina as the true beginning of Islam. This is why you don’t see any of the leaders of these six Gulf countries — Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain declaring emergency refugee status to their own Sunni brothern and opening up their own borders to accept them.
    The leaders of these same six Gulf countries would like nothing better than to have crusader blood spilled ridding them of the ISIS threat rather than their own. This is yet another reason why they, themselves, will not offer any of their own religious brothern emergency refugee status to come to their countries. The west is being blackmailed by these Gulf states.
    Ms Merkel should be demanding these Gulf states immediately open their borders and allow their fellow Sunni refugees to enter their countries.

  99. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Easiest way to invade a country – send soldiers unarmed and then arm them once inside the enemy gates.

    I wonder if that’s how the Moors did it in Spain – like a slave trader brings a bunch in through the gate pretending they were slaves and then unchains them once inside.

  100. @Priss Factor
    The idea of Europe defined by ideology or values is crazy.

    History is proof. Christianity was once synonymous with Europe. So, one would think Christian values and dogma are what Europe was and is all about. But Europeans were European before Christianity and after Christianity(as Europe has essentially been de-Christianized). Even with change of values, Europe was Europe.

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.

    If Europe is all about values, then cosmopolitan Hong Kong is European. India is European because it politically adopted liberal democracy.

    Core of Europe is not about values or ideas which come and go and can be imported or exported around the world. It is race, land, and cultural/historical memory and consciousness. Europe had different values during Roman times and during Christian times than it has today. But they were all part of European history and pageant because they were the story of the European people in European land and civilization.

    Germans were Germanic as pagans, as Christians, as social-democrats, as Nazis, as communists, as liberal democrats, and etc. Good or bad, the essence of Germanness was ethnic and territorial and historical. If those core identifications are lost, then the nation is lost.

    Good or bad, the essence of Germanness was ethnic and territorial and historical. If those core identifications are lost, then the nation is lost.

    Destruction of the Gernan nation is the endgame in all of this.

  101. @22pp22
    I think someone has already got into the bottom of this.

    The man who started massed immigration in the UK, Edward Heath, was also a knob jockey.

    I think the Finnish PM and his bodybuilding “friend” really need to queer things up.

    Sorry, I meant “clear.”

  102. He is a servant of Allah and likes to build up his upper body.

    Lol. Bodybuilders with skinny calves will frequently pose in knee-high water to hide their deficiency– like in small waves on the beach.

    But this guy, he has to pose in water up to his nipples!

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Apparently the followers of the BS prophet miss leg day.
  103. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    Tell that to China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel…

  104. @Hepp
    Aren't you a little hard on pretty much some of the only people in northern Europe that are having children? I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not "known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness." I doubt the Laestadians are either.

    My experience in business with Mormons, sample size 2 – one very trustworthy. Other one shameless, opportunistic criminal.

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.

    Actually, Sipilä made the announcement concerning the family house in a TV interview before visiting the refugee centre.

    Sipilä is a self-made millionaire. During the 1990s, he employed some Iraqis who had fled the Saddam regime and had positive experiences. As a Christian businessman and a DIY guy, he probably approaches the situation using what might be called the MacGyver method: being a nice guy, building trust, emphasizing volunteer work and charity, looking for clever solutions to difficult problems.

  106. @whorefinder
    So man hits middle age, his testosterone drops, and suddenly his sexual interests , ahem...expand?

    Yeah, never happened before.

    Paging Oscar Wilde.

    More seriously, the ancient Greeks observed quite accurately how many middle-aged men suddenly develop a penchant for youthful teen/early 20s boys once the marriage/kids have happened and the bloom of the old man's own youth is off.

    Of course, the Greeks weren't crass enough to think the older man was somehow "born gay" but instead merely noted that he liked younger men as much as younger women. So they set up a social system to prevent such disreputable behavior from overwhelming their society---basically, the pairings were allowed, but only under strict rules, and were terminated after a period of time,

    No one is born gay, duh. That's a political lie the left came up with in the 70s once the idea of "choosing" to be gay merely led observers to the inescapable conclusion that choosing such a lifestyle was very bad for society and for the men involved. So "born gay" was politically selected as a meme.

    It's best to think of gay proclivities the same way one things about heroin use : some people are more likely to develop it more strongly than others, but anyone's poor choices and dissolute lifestyle can lead to it. It doesn't excuse wallowing in it, and it isn't positive for anyone to choose to partake in the activity.

    Except that doesn’t really stack up based on what I’ve seen. The gay guy I know, knew he was homosexual before he was 10. He had kids btw. Homosexual in nature before, during, after marriage. His wife was shaped very boyishly.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can’t conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.

    I think some people are probably in the middle somewhere, and for them, some life choices can lead to a homosexual lifestyle.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can’t conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.
     
    Exactly. And someone could pipe up and say "well that's just your experience" ... except all the data disagree. A very small percentage of men--roughly 2%--are queer--something's gone wrong with the wiring, the rest are straight. There's basically zero evidence for any sort of "continuum". Very few bisexual men. ("Bisexual" just means homosexual and still figuring it out.) Almost no men are in the mushy middle.

    And the males who are gay--they seem to have detectable signs at a pretty early age. Whatever the cause--Greg Cochran has a bunch of posts making the germ argument--it strikes early--in the womb or early childhood, while the brain is developing.

    We'll figure this all out--probably fairly soon. Or if embargoed by PC--quite likely in the West--the Chinese or Koreans will figure it out. Then we can be rid of it.

    ~~~

    Note the above is all about men. Women's sexuality--in terms of practice--seems to be more conditional and fluid, though i'd guess that hard dykes have some similar clear biological causation. (IIRC women exposed to DES in the womb report a considerably higher rate of having engaged in lesbian relations.) With women there does some to be some tendency toward having late in life—perhaps post-menopausal?—turn toward lesbianism. Perhaps gals who were always leaning that way and lack any further reason to be with men once their child rearing is done, or perhaps just the ovaries shutting down. Speculation--not a biology guy.

    My point is the survey data is pretty clear. For men at least it’s pretty binary and whatever the cause it seems to mess up the brain pretty early.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever.
     
    Can a man have a negative Kinsey integer? I mean beyond the erotic, finding the male body repellent to touch or look at?

    Years ago, while visiting my then-future, now-ex, brother-in-law's family, I stayed in his brother's room, which was full of bodybuilding mags and posters thereoutof all over the walls. I was convinced the guy was queer, though not "out", and even more so after he ran away from home the next year.

    But he eventually returned, and went on to a normal married life, so what did I know? It was just inconceivable to me that any straight guy could stomach, let alone enjoy, looking at male musculature.

    Even though I'll shake hands on principle, when at a liberal (ie, English) church I'll position myself near women and children for the "sign of peace". Just bathing my baby sons required stifling the gag reflex.
  107. He is armed, with massive ‘guns’. Finns like guns. Sipilä’s home will have a sauna where this poor kid can dispense with all that excess clothing and by pumping up to full potential impress the Sipilä daughters, while mom and dad are out competing in traditional Finnish Wife-carrying contests, or just upstairs praying.

    It would have to be a male he talked to. There was a BBC World Service radio discussion the other day where a 97% pro-migrant/asylum seeker presenter and journalist mentioned to fanatically pro-refugee Germans, that male or female BBC reporters tried repeatedly but they could not talk to any of the Syrian women refugees. The women always looked at men for permission and a shake of the head told them no.

    Another point is those who get out the camps are always going to include many young tough men, because there will be competition to be selected and the men use intimidation on the selectors. They will quickly work out how to fake illness (Cameron is going to take those with disability) so you can expect lots of men claiming mental problems that can’t be disproved. During the Bosnian war there was an RAF airlift supposed to be of suffering women and children the media had reported, but when it arrived they were almost all young vigorous and male.

  108. WhatEvvs [AKA "Danuta Tramp"] says:
    @WhatEvvs
    We can name the boy Tom of Finland.

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man's children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?

    Clunkhead, I’ve been reading Sailer for a while. It’s like watching a train wreck. He’s getting more & more bizarre. Now he’s hinting that the gender ratio of a man’s progeny indicate whether he’s homosexual or not.

    In two words: peer review.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Now he’s hinting that the gender ratio of a man’s progeny indicate whether he’s homosexual or not."

    I think you misunderstand. Would a man with teenage (or indeed younger) daughters in the house want that 'boy' under his roof with them?
    , @Anonym
    You have two posts and claim to have read for a while? Go away.

    Btw what I think Sailer is getting at is that fathers with more daughters will be more worried about preventing Rotherhams than a man with almost all sons.
    , @Sean
    Well in men being g*y is either a vertically transmitted virus, or a gene that favours daughters.

    There was a case in Britain a few years ago of a man who had been helped to get asylum because he was g*y by an English diplomat lover. In Britain the refugee went on to infect a number of females including a 15 year old with AIDS. He was suspected to have been responsible directly or indirectly for 50 cases.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1461888/10-years-jail-for-gay-HIV-asylum-seeker-who-infected-women.html
  109. Beyond bizarre. It appears that Finland is thinking of applying for NATO membership. Maybe we should seriously think of withdrawing from NATO. Do we seriously want to have American men dying to save people who appear to be incapable of defending themselves?

  110. @Seppo Finn
    I actually thought 'they should let just this one in, he's quite hot' and stared at his muscular body for a while, smiling. And then I scroll down and it says "He is a servant of Allah..." and I instantly wanted him to disappear forever.

    This is really troublesome to me. Syrians, Iranians and some other arabs could have become good second-tier euros as european populations dwindle. They have the birth rates. Many of their men (especially the lighter skinned ones) are quite good looking. So are the women (when they aren't hiding in disgusting burqas). But they are all infected by Islam. You admire their above-s-s-african intelligence and good aesthetics and then they open their mouths to say "Allahu Akbar!" and you can feel your optimism and hope for humanity draining away from your disappointed, sighing body.

    Is there any other population/group that has good aesthetics, at least close-to-100 average IQ, 2.5+ fertility rate that is not infected by Islam? I can only think of the Amish. Maybe Mormons can be included too. I'd add Indian Punjabis but their fertility rate is now close to western euro levels.

    “Is there any other population/group that has good aesthetics, at least close-to-100 average IQ, 2.5+ fertility rate that is not infected by Islam? “

    The Hasidim?

  111. @WhatEvvs
    Clunkhead, I've been reading Sailer for a while. It's like watching a train wreck. He's getting more & more bizarre. Now he's hinting that the gender ratio of a man's progeny indicate whether he's homosexual or not.

    In two words: peer review.

    “Now he’s hinting that the gender ratio of a man’s progeny indicate whether he’s homosexual or not.”

    I think you misunderstand. Would a man with teenage (or indeed younger) daughters in the house want that ‘boy’ under his roof with them?

  112. @WhatEvvs
    Clunkhead, I've been reading Sailer for a while. It's like watching a train wreck. He's getting more & more bizarre. Now he's hinting that the gender ratio of a man's progeny indicate whether he's homosexual or not.

    In two words: peer review.

    You have two posts and claim to have read for a while? Go away.

    Btw what I think Sailer is getting at is that fathers with more daughters will be more worried about preventing Rotherhams than a man with almost all sons.

  113. @WGG
    No. Economic parasitism is real. You are projecting your personal feelings of loyalty to your homeland into the minds of others with no justification whatsoever. Your statement is like saying nobody kills unless they have to, or nobody steals unless they are starving. It simply isn't true. Many people will do myriad ugly things simply for a slight upgrade to their living conditions, whether they were in desperate need or not. And your anger and defensiveness comes from being too cowardly to defend your homeland. Loyalty indeed.

    Northern Italy – Venice, Treviso, Padova, even Lake Garda – has a visible sub-Saharan African presence that simply didn’t exist ten years back. Nearly all young men.

    A guy was going from table to table begging, saying he’d just come from Libya. Didn’t seem to be getting much sympathy from the locals.

  114. @WhatEvvs
    Clunkhead, I've been reading Sailer for a while. It's like watching a train wreck. He's getting more & more bizarre. Now he's hinting that the gender ratio of a man's progeny indicate whether he's homosexual or not.

    In two words: peer review.

    Well in men being g*y is either a vertically transmitted virus, or a gene that favours daughters.

    There was a case in Britain a few years ago of a man who had been helped to get asylum because he was g*y by an English diplomat lover. In Britain the refugee went on to infect a number of females including a 15 year old with AIDS. He was suspected to have been responsible directly or indirectly for 50 cases.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1461888/10-years-jail-for-gay-HIV-asylum-seeker-who-infected-women.html

  115. Aesthetics are socially constructed don’t you know.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    Right, my impression is the new Prime Minister is a not very urbane provincial Christian businessman. His home is in Oulu, which turns out to be the fifth biggest city in Finland and the most northerly and remote.

    His party was formerly known as the “rural alliance”. Decades ago as their strategists worried about their voter base in small farmers, rural shopkeepers and the like disappearing with urbanization and they rebranded as the “Center Party” but it hasn’t had much success in southern cities. The vote share looks like this every election:

    Green = the Center Party is the biggest party. This is basically a population density map.

    As for this ridiculousness in the face of an obvious scammer, it’s just the same phenomenon that has led to the Swedish multicultural lunacy. We both have cultures that put a high value on trust and honesty. The flipside of this culture is that accusing someone of dishonesty is considered an extremely serious insult. I’m afraid when most Finns look at this clip they’ll just think “well that kid is an obvious scammer but look at what a nice trusting man Sipilä is”.

    The traditional way Sweden dealt with this vulnerability was to be a militant Protestant state where everyone else faced major legal restrictions or was altogether banned. Dismantling the state restrictions that protected our naive individuals and making lack of “racism” the most desirable virtue of all are an extremely toxic combination where we get scammed but we feel virtuous for it. Our culture just puts zero shame or blame on someone for being excessively trusting so people feel free to show off how they’re getting scammed by migrants as proof of how they’re not some sort of suspicious, xenophobic, prejudiced racists.

    This would play out very differently in neighboring Russia where distrust is normal and no leader ever scored respect points by televising themselves getting scammed. I wish there was a way to import their lack of respect for gullibility without importing all their other values.

    • Replies: @andy russia
    It's not just gullibility.
    A verse in the Soviet anthem (youtube Paul Robeson) went like this:

    We fought for the future, destryed the invaders,
    and brought to our Homeland the laurels of fame;
    Our glory will live in the mem'ry of nations
    And all generations will honor Her name...

    (not a literal translation, but the Russian language original had a verse to the same effect)

    The problem is people in consumer societies live in an eternal present, and the idea to get your hands dirty -- as the Russians did (mainly to themselves) and the Germans did (mainly to others) with Oriental abandon, little Muslim lovers that they are -- in order that "our kids may have it better than we did", is all but gone. Today's Russia is no different in this regard.

    Another Soviet song went "we are born to turn fairytale into reality."

    "It is wise to be sceptical as to how warmly the forward-looking ethos [of Communism] was welcomed among the population. Many people (...) would much rather have had more bread or lower prices than have added their spade of cement to the foundations of communism; as one punning quip would later put it, they felt themselves to be turning not fairytale (skazka), but Kafka into reality. But the primacy of the future was unquestioned in the culture of the time" (bolding mine) -- The Soviet Union, a Very Short Introduction

  117. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    FWIW, Point, my family used to joke that my grandfather loved the WWII refugee camp in Strasbourg. Nice scenery, they all had three hots and a cot, and he had time to go hunting. Granted, they left Latvia because they had to. But living in that camp without much to do was like something of a camping vacation for him.

    I’ll allow that not everyone gets to enjoy a refugee camp in Strasbourg.

    Interesting relevant side note: My father’s family just as soon would have stayed right there, but the French wouldn’t have them. A Latvian civil engineer fluent in multiple European languages and functional in French with his wife and two children.

    My how times have changed!

  118. I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to.

    NOBODY? All migration is involuntary? Is there a name for this world you live in?

  119. @Lagertha
    If only he was Tom of Finland! - but Venice CA, was another planet and a time warp as to what is happening in Europe today. What I could glean from the FB message:

    A bromance kind of guy (Finn) believes another Finn has illegally threatened to kill Fariz, and Fariz answers in a girlfriendly way, way gaydar way, that he is fine...Next, it seems a fellow Jihaddi responds to that threat by that badass Finn to hunt down FARIZ and kill him ( Fariz is definitely low IQ, BTW, duh). But his puppet master (somewhat smarter) is from Central Casting of ISIS:

    Fariz: hahaha - these shitty people (Finns) they're all just talk. They're too afraid to do anything because they realize how crazy (Jihaddies?) we are.

    Abdullah answers: don't worry about these dummies, let them say what they say. So full of shit these people.

    Fariz answers: Yes and I won't.

    Abdullah implores: Let them live in peace, but DO NOT GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION of the Finns/Finland (perhaps that the Finns are realizing they gotta get rid of all the Muslim men on their lands like, hello?, pronto)
    __________________________________________
    OK so, it took like an hour to write all this scheisse because I am angry, embarrassed and ready to kill with my bare hands...a true Finn. F!

    After having been there this summer, I did get into some arguments with my connections (some relatives) who are more liberal and live in la-la land. Ever since 9/11 everyone who knows me in Finland, knows that I have always been mistrustful of globalization, and have refrained from discussing diversity, ever since I left to live in the USA (as a child) my cousins remark that I am different - well, major, duh. Plus, I just happened to be connected to NYC & 9/11.

    And, this exchange by a male-body obsessed jihaddi, must have just blew the guts out of the current Finnish Govt. I even tried to get through avenues I know to glean more info on this jerk, but, No; big-time firewall. Finns have finally been taken. Finns were soooo la-di-dah about migrants flooding into the country, that honestly, I didn't know whether it is safe to walk the streets in Helsinki next summer. Migrants were 6 times more than last summer, and, my brother who was in Norway, said it was down-right uncomfortable in Oslo, wondering if you have to be aware of your personal belongings. And, my eldest brother, the most liberal, intellectual, well-traveled, curious, magnanimous and witty man I know was getting paranoid.

    I hate this PM. He is a pansy-assed guy - everyone here gets that. He is from the north and he is like a "born again" Christian since he belongs to a certain sect or a cult with Christian overtones. He is such a dork, but Finland, for whatever reason, has elected a lot of dorks in the last 20 years. The president is not a dork; and "our" party's guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork, but the PM has more power than the PM in many ways.

    Just so everyone on Steve's club knows, I belong to the Ntl Coalition Party (the only Right Wing one, even if it is watered-down) and, the Swedish Speaking Party. Sipila is part of the abhorrent liberal parties (there are like, 4) that are colossally clueless. Plus, he comes from Oulu (which is like coming from Fargo to be POTUS). The soft bigotry of low expectations indeed!.

    I know the Finnish intelligence and probably CIA are all over this. I just hope the CIA is working overtime...they, at least, do love the Finns, and, the Finns love the USA, always have.

    and “our” party’s guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork

    Ok, so you don’t actually know anything about Finland.

    Perhaps you were visiting St. Petersburg? Or you are writing from there?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Hahaa! You are right. My brain short-circuited last night, from all the stress of watching these images of hordes of people in Europe...watching hordes of mostly, young, military-aged men advancing on Europe like a zombie apocalypse, like the "plan" I heard of years ago to destroy Christian Europe.

    And, no Russia with love for me. I admit I don't understand all the differences of the political rivals in Finland. Stubb seemed ok years ago, but you're right, he is drunk with the liberal BS and is convinced that multiculturalism and diversity is good...so more immigrants. Is there anyone left in the political sphere (with any real power and influence) in Finland that wants to keep Finland free from more of these male freeloaders that will be coming? How can the Finnish public allow this to happen since taxes are already very high, and 15,000 (or was it 5000? -oops, can't remember) of their educated young adults have left Finland? Not to mention that there is violence committed by Muslim men against both Finnish youth both male & female?

    This summer was such a disappointment in that no one seemed to question the logic of bringing in thousands of Muslims since there is no proof that they are even Syrian refugee parents? All I heard were PC people saying we must do something...like this idiot PM saying he would bring some random (looks virile) dude into his home?

    I was rambling and exhausted, and didn't heed my own advice to not proceed to record my brain-farts because I was clueless; completely admit to that. And, I live in the states and glean too few facts (time) to understand the political horse-trading in Finland...and who is a rat and who is not. I just want to be able to come back there (funerals are coming for a generation of my family) without feeling like it is getting worse/unsafe...it already felt creepy to have all these men wandering around Helsinki in packs. Like I said, my quiet, cerebral brother was pretty freaked out (along with his American wife) how many ME men were idly wandering about in Oslo, and he is a world-traveler who never feels vulnerable wherever he goes.

  120. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    So man hits middle age, his testosterone drops, and suddenly his sexual interests , ahem...expand?

    Yeah, never happened before.

    Paging Oscar Wilde.

    More seriously, the ancient Greeks observed quite accurately how many middle-aged men suddenly develop a penchant for youthful teen/early 20s boys once the marriage/kids have happened and the bloom of the old man's own youth is off.

    Of course, the Greeks weren't crass enough to think the older man was somehow "born gay" but instead merely noted that he liked younger men as much as younger women. So they set up a social system to prevent such disreputable behavior from overwhelming their society---basically, the pairings were allowed, but only under strict rules, and were terminated after a period of time,

    No one is born gay, duh. That's a political lie the left came up with in the 70s once the idea of "choosing" to be gay merely led observers to the inescapable conclusion that choosing such a lifestyle was very bad for society and for the men involved. So "born gay" was politically selected as a meme.

    It's best to think of gay proclivities the same way one things about heroin use : some people are more likely to develop it more strongly than others, but anyone's poor choices and dissolute lifestyle can lead to it. It doesn't excuse wallowing in it, and it isn't positive for anyone to choose to partake in the activity.

    “No one is born gay duh.”

    That’s an absolute lie. I am gay, I have been attracted to men since I was nine. It became undeniable when I was around thirteen-fourteen. I didn’t even know of the word ‘gay’ then. I live in a country where you go to prison for being gay. There’s no ‘gay propaganda’. A really pretty girl often tried to flirt with me during middle school, but I always turned her down, because I didn’t feel anything. I couldn’t feel anything even if I wanted to. To think that I was really attracted to girls but turned them down just so I could choose a highly taboo identity which I couldn’t even label at the time is ridiculous.

    I have met dozens of gay men since then and all of them knew they were attracted exclusively to men in their teens and pre-teens. Sexuality is highly biological.

    I have seen a lot of right-wingers try to use people of flexible sexuality who switch between dating men and women or whose sexuality is more fluid… as ‘proof’ that gays ‘choose to be gay’ (why is never answered). By definition, these people, who exist in very small numbers, are bisexual. If you are attracted to men and women, at the same time or at different times, you are bisexual, not gay. That again, is not a ‘choice’! It is my impression that women are more likely to be bisexual than men. Again, this is still a very very small percentage of women.

    The left-wing vehemently argues that biological sex and race are ‘social constructs’. Many on the Nrx and alt-right bandwagon similarly cling to notions that sexuality is a social construct. The negrophiles try to use exceptional negroes to somehow ‘prove’ that we’re all equal and just the same, that racial disparities are cultural. Similarly anti-gay people usually love to use exceptional ‘gays’ (read: bisexuals or sexually confused ppl) to state we’re all just the same and culture creates sexual-orientation disparities. Both are wrong.

    Whether homos are 100% born this way or not, I can assure you they don’t have a choice. Now bisexuals who are equally attracted to both sexes – they have a choice which attractions to act on. You can tell them to choose the ‘right’ lifestyle if you wish. But, outside of advanced genetic technology, I don’t think you’ll be able to make gays ‘hetero’ or heteros gay by propaganda. I hope such technology will exist by 2100, so people like me don’t have to explain all this repeatedly or be executed or imprisoned in most of the world or live fake lives marrying heteros (which I’ll never do).

    95%+ people are heterosexual. All the alarm about homosexuality is nonsensical. It’s not even hard to imagine how us homos feel. I am guessing you are a man attracted to women, right? Now think about your attraction to women, how natural it feels, that’s how you’ve felt most of your life – that’s how lesbians feel. Now imagine yourself kissing, having sex with men. Is that repulsive? Out of the question? That’s how lesbians also feel. Easy. A hetero woman can similarly imagine how gay men feel. Don’t become antagonized towards gays just because SJWs use their identity for political points. I despise feminism in general but will not allow it turn me antagonistic towards women.

    Sorry for bad English, I’m not a native speaker. I am trying to explain here, that’s all, not attacking anyone. Have a good day.

    • Replies: @TWS
    So about nine was when you were abused or were abusing younger children? Because every. single. one. of the homosexuals I know were abused or abusers or both.
    , @TWS
    Yeah no need for alarm. It's not like homosexuals represent a huge fraction of convicted child molesters. Or a huge fraction of STD cases. Or are over represented by wide margins in mental health problems and other criminality. Oh, wait...
  121. @Jaakko Raipala
    His party was formerly known as the "rural alliance". Decades ago as their strategists worried about their voter base in small farmers, rural shopkeepers and the like disappearing with urbanization and they rebranded as the "Center Party" but it hasn't had much success in southern cities. The vote share looks like this every election:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Eduskuntavaalit_2015.png

    Green = the Center Party is the biggest party. This is basically a population density map.

    As for this ridiculousness in the face of an obvious scammer, it's just the same phenomenon that has led to the Swedish multicultural lunacy. We both have cultures that put a high value on trust and honesty. The flipside of this culture is that accusing someone of dishonesty is considered an extremely serious insult. I'm afraid when most Finns look at this clip they'll just think "well that kid is an obvious scammer but look at what a nice trusting man Sipilä is".

    The traditional way Sweden dealt with this vulnerability was to be a militant Protestant state where everyone else faced major legal restrictions or was altogether banned. Dismantling the state restrictions that protected our naive individuals and making lack of "racism" the most desirable virtue of all are an extremely toxic combination where we get scammed but we feel virtuous for it. Our culture just puts zero shame or blame on someone for being excessively trusting so people feel free to show off how they're getting scammed by migrants as proof of how they're not some sort of suspicious, xenophobic, prejudiced racists.

    This would play out very differently in neighboring Russia where distrust is normal and no leader ever scored respect points by televising themselves getting scammed. I wish there was a way to import their lack of respect for gullibility without importing all their other values.

    It’s not just gullibility.
    A verse in the Soviet anthem (youtube Paul Robeson) went like this:

    We fought for the future, destryed the invaders,
    and brought to our Homeland the laurels of fame;
    Our glory will live in the mem’ry of nations
    And all generations will honor Her name…

    (not a literal translation, but the Russian language original had a verse to the same effect)

    The problem is people in consumer societies live in an eternal present, and the idea to get your hands dirty — as the Russians did (mainly to themselves) and the Germans did (mainly to others) with Oriental abandon, little Muslim lovers that they are — in order that “our kids may have it better than we did”, is all but gone. Today’s Russia is no different in this regard.

    Another Soviet song went “we are born to turn fairytale into reality.”

    “It is wise to be sceptical as to how warmly the forward-looking ethos [of Communism] was welcomed among the population. Many people (…) would much rather have had more bread or lower prices than have added their spade of cement to the foundations of communism; as one punning quip would later put it, they felt themselves to be turning not fairytale (skazka), but Kafka into reality. But the primacy of the future was unquestioned in the culture of the time” (bolding mine) — The Soviet Union, a Very Short Introduction

  122. @WhatEvvs
    We can name the boy Tom of Finland.

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man's children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man’s children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?

    You’ve misunderstood. Sailer is implying that that young Muslim man would be a sexual threat to the Prime Minister’s daughters, should he move into his house and live with his family.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    The PM should be more worried about his sons................
  123. @Esso

    and “our” party’s guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork
     
    Ok, so you don't actually know anything about Finland.

    Perhaps you were visiting St. Petersburg? Or you are writing from there?

    Hahaa! You are right. My brain short-circuited last night, from all the stress of watching these images of hordes of people in Europe…watching hordes of mostly, young, military-aged men advancing on Europe like a zombie apocalypse, like the “plan” I heard of years ago to destroy Christian Europe.

    And, no Russia with love for me. I admit I don’t understand all the differences of the political rivals in Finland. Stubb seemed ok years ago, but you’re right, he is drunk with the liberal BS and is convinced that multiculturalism and diversity is good…so more immigrants. Is there anyone left in the political sphere (with any real power and influence) in Finland that wants to keep Finland free from more of these male freeloaders that will be coming? How can the Finnish public allow this to happen since taxes are already very high, and 15,000 (or was it 5000? -oops, can’t remember) of their educated young adults have left Finland? Not to mention that there is violence committed by Muslim men against both Finnish youth both male & female?

    This summer was such a disappointment in that no one seemed to question the logic of bringing in thousands of Muslims since there is no proof that they are even Syrian refugee parents? All I heard were PC people saying we must do something…like this idiot PM saying he would bring some random (looks virile) dude into his home?

    I was rambling and exhausted, and didn’t heed my own advice to not proceed to record my brain-farts because I was clueless; completely admit to that. And, I live in the states and glean too few facts (time) to understand the political horse-trading in Finland…and who is a rat and who is not. I just want to be able to come back there (funerals are coming for a generation of my family) without feeling like it is getting worse/unsafe…it already felt creepy to have all these men wandering around Helsinki in packs. Like I said, my quiet, cerebral brother was pretty freaked out (along with his American wife) how many ME men were idly wandering about in Oslo, and he is a world-traveler who never feels vulnerable wherever he goes.

  124. @anon

    He is a servant of Allah and likes to build up his upper body.
     
    Lol. Bodybuilders with skinny calves will frequently pose in knee-high water to hide their deficiency-- like in small waves on the beach.

    But this guy, he has to pose in water up to his nipples!

    Apparently the followers of the BS prophet miss leg day.

  125. Your post reeks of anti-transageism bias, Steve.

    He is a 17-year-old boy in a 27-year-old man’s body … anyone who says otherwise is on the wrong side of history.

    That being said, I know a guy whose 16-year-old son is 6’2″/190 and benches 350 … and he’s not even the strongest guy on his high-school wrestling team. (And he’s white.)

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    More I think about it, the more I'm convinced he's at least 25.
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Transageism? Why the fuck not? It's less stupid than a lot of the stuff that's gone on this year, from the immigrant crises, to Caitlyn fathering children, to Rachel Dolezal. So sure, transageism.
  126. Steve, mr Sipilä and his family live in Helsinki. He is offering his empty mansion near Oulu to asylum seekers. The man is worth 20-30 million euros, so he can afford these little gestures.

    • Replies: @A Finn
    This. Though to be accurate, Sipilä currently lives in Sipoo, not in Helsinki. Sipoo is right next to Helsinki.

    Also, he probably won't be paying a single cent of the expenses. Not even while the asylum seekers are in his spare mansion, and certainly not after they are granted asylum and move out to apartments of their own.
  127. @Stan Adams
    Your post reeks of anti-transageism bias, Steve.

    He is a 17-year-old boy in a 27-year-old man's body ... anyone who says otherwise is on the wrong side of history.

    That being said, I know a guy whose 16-year-old son is 6'2"/190 and benches 350 ... and he's not even the strongest guy on his high-school wrestling team. (And he's white.)

    More I think about it, the more I’m convinced he’s at least 25.

  128. “He will ask why I suspect this male of being soft. We bathe together: he never looks up, but stares with devouring eyes at the athletes, and looks at their d**ks with drooling lips. You ask who this is? The name escapes me.”

    Martial

  129. @Priss Factor
    Henceforth, I demand that all European elites pack their homes with Third World refugees. Pack em tight. And forever.

    PS. I wonder if one reason why Europeans and whites never learn anything from past experience is because they've fallen under a consumerist mentality.
    Merkel talks of HOPE. It's what consumers feel every time they buy new stuff. Even though they buy something and it turns out to be a downer, they keep buying cuz there's the HOPE that it will THE thing. It's the way some people get married and divorced and married and divorced. It's as if the NEW SPOUSE will be the answer, but sooner or later, he or she is also dumped for another.

    Europeans surely have a lot of bad experiences with immigrants and refugees so far. So, you'd think NO MORE. But instead, they think it will be better this time cuz it's a NEW BATCH.

    It's like a woman who's disappointed with clothes/fashion she bought not long ago and keeps getting new ones instead of realizing that all these clothes aint gonna bring her happiness.

    Instead of shedding old immigrants/invaders, Europeans keep dreaming of NEW HOPE with new doses of marauders posing as refugees.

    One of the wealthiest men in Spain and the most titled aristocrat in Europe has been housing two Syrian refugee families quietly for 18 months.

    I get the anger and don’t agree with what Merkel is doing but some people take their Christian duty seriously. Let’s be careful here.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225656/Youngest-son-eccentric-Spanish-aristocrat-throws-open-doors-country-home-two-Syrian-families-fled-war-torn-country.html

  130. @Marat
    poof!

    I think you mean:

    poofter.

  131. @Priss Factor
    The idea of Europe defined by ideology or values is crazy.

    History is proof. Christianity was once synonymous with Europe. So, one would think Christian values and dogma are what Europe was and is all about. But Europeans were European before Christianity and after Christianity(as Europe has essentially been de-Christianized). Even with change of values, Europe was Europe.

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.

    If Europe is all about values, then cosmopolitan Hong Kong is European. India is European because it politically adopted liberal democracy.

    Core of Europe is not about values or ideas which come and go and can be imported or exported around the world. It is race, land, and cultural/historical memory and consciousness. Europe had different values during Roman times and during Christian times than it has today. But they were all part of European history and pageant because they were the story of the European people in European land and civilization.

    Germans were Germanic as pagans, as Christians, as social-democrats, as Nazis, as communists, as liberal democrats, and etc. Good or bad, the essence of Germanness was ethnic and territorial and historical. If those core identifications are lost, then the nation is lost.

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.

    What? Where was communism “values and ideology”? Even apparatchiks didn’t believe this. Under communist rule Poland in fact become more Christian than ever.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "What? Where was communism 'values and ideology'? Even apparatchiks didn’t believe this. Under communist rule Poland in fact become more Christian than ever."

    What a dammy. I didn't say most Poles embraced communism. I said it was the official ideology of all the Warsaw nations, and long as it lasted, communism was seen as an indispensable value system of the Europe. Commie nations believed that their ideology was scientific and that even capitalist nations would eventually turn commie.

    OF course, many people thought otherwise, but we are talking official policy here.
    Even now, not every European believes in this 'European values' crap, especially as European values seem to be about rejecting European survival. I mean what kind of value system is that? WE ARE MORALLY AND CULTURALLY SUPERIOR BECAUSE WE WELCOME FOREIGNERS TO OVERRUN AND DESTROY US. It'd be like a hippo saying he has great hippo values because he wants to be devoured by crocodiles.

    In a way, the hostility of foreigners toward Europe is in accordance with 'European values'. After all, if Europe is calling for assisted suicide, it is only being aided by those who would murder it.
  132. @Anonymous
    "No one is born gay duh."

    That's an absolute lie. I am gay, I have been attracted to men since I was nine. It became undeniable when I was around thirteen-fourteen. I didn't even know of the word 'gay' then. I live in a country where you go to prison for being gay. There's no 'gay propaganda'. A really pretty girl often tried to flirt with me during middle school, but I always turned her down, because I didn't feel anything. I couldn't feel anything even if I wanted to. To think that I was really attracted to girls but turned them down just so I could choose a highly taboo identity which I couldn't even label at the time is ridiculous.

    I have met dozens of gay men since then and all of them knew they were attracted exclusively to men in their teens and pre-teens. Sexuality is highly biological.

    I have seen a lot of right-wingers try to use people of flexible sexuality who switch between dating men and women or whose sexuality is more fluid... as 'proof' that gays 'choose to be gay' (why is never answered). By definition, these people, who exist in very small numbers, are bisexual. If you are attracted to men and women, at the same time or at different times, you are bisexual, not gay. That again, is not a 'choice'! It is my impression that women are more likely to be bisexual than men. Again, this is still a very very small percentage of women.

    The left-wing vehemently argues that biological sex and race are 'social constructs'. Many on the Nrx and alt-right bandwagon similarly cling to notions that sexuality is a social construct. The negrophiles try to use exceptional negroes to somehow 'prove' that we're all equal and just the same, that racial disparities are cultural. Similarly anti-gay people usually love to use exceptional 'gays' (read: bisexuals or sexually confused ppl) to state we're all just the same and culture creates sexual-orientation disparities. Both are wrong.

    Whether homos are 100% born this way or not, I can assure you they don't have a choice. Now bisexuals who are equally attracted to both sexes - they have a choice which attractions to act on. You can tell them to choose the 'right' lifestyle if you wish. But, outside of advanced genetic technology, I don't think you'll be able to make gays 'hetero' or heteros gay by propaganda. I hope such technology will exist by 2100, so people like me don't have to explain all this repeatedly or be executed or imprisoned in most of the world or live fake lives marrying heteros (which I'll never do).

    95%+ people are heterosexual. All the alarm about homosexuality is nonsensical. It's not even hard to imagine how us homos feel. I am guessing you are a man attracted to women, right? Now think about your attraction to women, how natural it feels, that's how you've felt most of your life - that's how lesbians feel. Now imagine yourself kissing, having sex with men. Is that repulsive? Out of the question? That's how lesbians also feel. Easy. A hetero woman can similarly imagine how gay men feel. Don't become antagonized towards gays just because SJWs use their identity for political points. I despise feminism in general but will not allow it turn me antagonistic towards women.

    Sorry for bad English, I'm not a native speaker. I am trying to explain here, that's all, not attacking anyone. Have a good day.

    So about nine was when you were abused or were abusing younger children? Because every. single. one. of the homosexuals I know were abused or abusers or both.

  133. @Anonymous
    "No one is born gay duh."

    That's an absolute lie. I am gay, I have been attracted to men since I was nine. It became undeniable when I was around thirteen-fourteen. I didn't even know of the word 'gay' then. I live in a country where you go to prison for being gay. There's no 'gay propaganda'. A really pretty girl often tried to flirt with me during middle school, but I always turned her down, because I didn't feel anything. I couldn't feel anything even if I wanted to. To think that I was really attracted to girls but turned them down just so I could choose a highly taboo identity which I couldn't even label at the time is ridiculous.

    I have met dozens of gay men since then and all of them knew they were attracted exclusively to men in their teens and pre-teens. Sexuality is highly biological.

    I have seen a lot of right-wingers try to use people of flexible sexuality who switch between dating men and women or whose sexuality is more fluid... as 'proof' that gays 'choose to be gay' (why is never answered). By definition, these people, who exist in very small numbers, are bisexual. If you are attracted to men and women, at the same time or at different times, you are bisexual, not gay. That again, is not a 'choice'! It is my impression that women are more likely to be bisexual than men. Again, this is still a very very small percentage of women.

    The left-wing vehemently argues that biological sex and race are 'social constructs'. Many on the Nrx and alt-right bandwagon similarly cling to notions that sexuality is a social construct. The negrophiles try to use exceptional negroes to somehow 'prove' that we're all equal and just the same, that racial disparities are cultural. Similarly anti-gay people usually love to use exceptional 'gays' (read: bisexuals or sexually confused ppl) to state we're all just the same and culture creates sexual-orientation disparities. Both are wrong.

    Whether homos are 100% born this way or not, I can assure you they don't have a choice. Now bisexuals who are equally attracted to both sexes - they have a choice which attractions to act on. You can tell them to choose the 'right' lifestyle if you wish. But, outside of advanced genetic technology, I don't think you'll be able to make gays 'hetero' or heteros gay by propaganda. I hope such technology will exist by 2100, so people like me don't have to explain all this repeatedly or be executed or imprisoned in most of the world or live fake lives marrying heteros (which I'll never do).

    95%+ people are heterosexual. All the alarm about homosexuality is nonsensical. It's not even hard to imagine how us homos feel. I am guessing you are a man attracted to women, right? Now think about your attraction to women, how natural it feels, that's how you've felt most of your life - that's how lesbians feel. Now imagine yourself kissing, having sex with men. Is that repulsive? Out of the question? That's how lesbians also feel. Easy. A hetero woman can similarly imagine how gay men feel. Don't become antagonized towards gays just because SJWs use their identity for political points. I despise feminism in general but will not allow it turn me antagonistic towards women.

    Sorry for bad English, I'm not a native speaker. I am trying to explain here, that's all, not attacking anyone. Have a good day.

    Yeah no need for alarm. It’s not like homosexuals represent a huge fraction of convicted child molesters. Or a huge fraction of STD cases. Or are over represented by wide margins in mental health problems and other criminality. Oh, wait…

  134. The ‘Camp of Saints’ was not a ‘how-to’ manual.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    The ‘Camp of Saints’ was not a ‘how-to’ manual.

    Apparently you are wrong about that.
  135. @Anonymous
    I have no words for these comments. Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn't have to. It's ridiculous how many of you seem to believe that refugees come to Germany because we "offer" them shelter. Do you think it's fun to carry your toddler from Syria to Germany - by foot? Do you think it's fun to live in an overcrowded refugee camp with little money and nothing to do? Do you think anybody in his right mind would put his child on a boat, unless the Mediterranean seems safer than Syria? Your lack of empathy is despicable.

    Seriously, people, NOBODY leaves his country, his house and (parts of) his family behind if he doesn’t have to.

    I live in the United States of America, and FEW if ANY of my ancestors came here fleeing repression. Perhaps the Irish did, but the English, Scottish (just Scottish, not bloody Scots-Irish), and Germans did not. They came to the US, and before the the English colonies, because here they could make lives for themselves that they couldn’t have done in Europe. They fought and killed Indians, grizzly bears, cold, heat, and all manner of privations to do so. And there wasn’t a modern navy looking to pick them up in the 1600s and 1700s. People leave bad places for better places all the time, even when the bad places aren’t all that awful. My entire fucking country is premised on that idea.

    And yes, sometimes people leave good places for bad places, and part of our history is premised on THAT, too. And some people stay where they are regardless of circumstances. That would be YOUR history.

  136. @Lot
    Eric Holder type shot in head:

    www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-administration-lawyer-is-shot-in-the-head.html


    The shooting was one of several violent episodes, including a fatal stabbing, in the hours before the annual West Indian American Day Parade in Brooklyn, a colorful event of flamboyant costumes and dancing that in years past has also been accompanied by bloodshed in the streets near the parade route.
     

    How is more Blacks Behaving Badly news?

  137. @Stan Adams
    Your post reeks of anti-transageism bias, Steve.

    He is a 17-year-old boy in a 27-year-old man's body ... anyone who says otherwise is on the wrong side of history.

    That being said, I know a guy whose 16-year-old son is 6'2"/190 and benches 350 ... and he's not even the strongest guy on his high-school wrestling team. (And he's white.)

    Transageism? Why the fuck not? It’s less stupid than a lot of the stuff that’s gone on this year, from the immigrant crises, to Caitlyn fathering children, to Rachel Dolezal. So sure, transageism.

  138. @TWS
    The 'Camp of Saints' was not a 'how-to' manual.

    The ‘Camp of Saints’ was not a ‘how-to’ manual.

    Apparently you are wrong about that.

  139. @Bleuteaux
    Yes, this drives me crazy. I haven't read many stories on this, but has there been ANY investigative journalism into how these people get to Greece or Hungary in the first place? Sorry, I just don't buy that they're actually all randomly walking 5,000 miles to Germany or some such. And most of the people in these pictures are clean shaven, recent haircuts, comfortable clothes. But they're the wretched refuse that Europe just can't turn away?

    The first thought that ran through my mind when I saw that Daily Mail (?) photo of the hordes of Syrian refugees disembarking at “Athens” was “what are the Greeks thinking?” If the Greeks didn’t provide free ferry service from Lesbos to Athens, how could they get to Germany? Then it occurred to me that cynical Greeks are paying back the Germans for terribly mistreating them in the debt talks. I find it more than ironical that Germans, who invaded Greece during WWII and brutally occupied their part of Greece (Greece was divided up among Germany, Italy and Bulgaria during WWII), resented giving their Euro partner Greece even the slightest break on their untenable debt but have no qualms about inviting several million Arabs to Germany and picking up the tab. I think the whole concept of giving “political asylum” has become a scam of prosperous Western countries and too many Westerners are too stupid and gullible to realize it. You don’t see Singapore or Japan taking in large numbers of “political asylum” seekers. Israel has offered to take in “around 200” of their neighbors, which sounds about right. Since the U.S. has approximately 50X the population of Israel, that would translate into 10,000 refugees, as long as we made it clear that no family reunification would apply, so the 10,000 doesn’t translate into 100,000 or more.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    The problem for the Greeks is that there doesn't seem to be any end to the migrants arriving on the Greek Islands. Greece could find it self even more overwhelmed if the passage out of Greece gets blocked for whatever reason even for a week. The flow should slow down as the fall and winter approaches but they will still come. I guess it's the if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me mentality.
  140. @ben tillman

    I assure you that in the United States Mormons are not “known for shamelessness, opportunism and untrustworthiness.”
     
    Well, in most of America, Mormons don't really have any reputation, but when you do meet them they generally turn out to be pretty ruthless in business.

    Are these good, or “jack”, Mormons?

    Leyland Stevenson, the “star” of the documentary Chickenhawk, started out as a Mormon missionary. I’m inclined to think he was jack.

  141. @Anonym
    To homosexuals in the elite (and there are many in the media and politics) an influx of migrants, of which 75%-90% are trim military age men without much in the way of income or assets, is not a bug but a feature.

    …an influx of migrants, of which 75%-90% are trim military age men without much in the way of income or assets, is not a bug but a feature.

    A feature with many bugs, so to speak.

  142. @Lagertha
    If only he was Tom of Finland! - but Venice CA, was another planet and a time warp as to what is happening in Europe today. What I could glean from the FB message:

    A bromance kind of guy (Finn) believes another Finn has illegally threatened to kill Fariz, and Fariz answers in a girlfriendly way, way gaydar way, that he is fine...Next, it seems a fellow Jihaddi responds to that threat by that badass Finn to hunt down FARIZ and kill him ( Fariz is definitely low IQ, BTW, duh). But his puppet master (somewhat smarter) is from Central Casting of ISIS:

    Fariz: hahaha - these shitty people (Finns) they're all just talk. They're too afraid to do anything because they realize how crazy (Jihaddies?) we are.

    Abdullah answers: don't worry about these dummies, let them say what they say. So full of shit these people.

    Fariz answers: Yes and I won't.

    Abdullah implores: Let them live in peace, but DO NOT GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION of the Finns/Finland (perhaps that the Finns are realizing they gotta get rid of all the Muslim men on their lands like, hello?, pronto)
    __________________________________________
    OK so, it took like an hour to write all this scheisse because I am angry, embarrassed and ready to kill with my bare hands...a true Finn. F!

    After having been there this summer, I did get into some arguments with my connections (some relatives) who are more liberal and live in la-la land. Ever since 9/11 everyone who knows me in Finland, knows that I have always been mistrustful of globalization, and have refrained from discussing diversity, ever since I left to live in the USA (as a child) my cousins remark that I am different - well, major, duh. Plus, I just happened to be connected to NYC & 9/11.

    And, this exchange by a male-body obsessed jihaddi, must have just blew the guts out of the current Finnish Govt. I even tried to get through avenues I know to glean more info on this jerk, but, No; big-time firewall. Finns have finally been taken. Finns were soooo la-di-dah about migrants flooding into the country, that honestly, I didn't know whether it is safe to walk the streets in Helsinki next summer. Migrants were 6 times more than last summer, and, my brother who was in Norway, said it was down-right uncomfortable in Oslo, wondering if you have to be aware of your personal belongings. And, my eldest brother, the most liberal, intellectual, well-traveled, curious, magnanimous and witty man I know was getting paranoid.

    I hate this PM. He is a pansy-assed guy - everyone here gets that. He is from the north and he is like a "born again" Christian since he belongs to a certain sect or a cult with Christian overtones. He is such a dork, but Finland, for whatever reason, has elected a lot of dorks in the last 20 years. The president is not a dork; and "our" party's guy, Alexander Stubb is not a dork, but the PM has more power than the PM in many ways.

    Just so everyone on Steve's club knows, I belong to the Ntl Coalition Party (the only Right Wing one, even if it is watered-down) and, the Swedish Speaking Party. Sipila is part of the abhorrent liberal parties (there are like, 4) that are colossally clueless. Plus, he comes from Oulu (which is like coming from Fargo to be POTUS). The soft bigotry of low expectations indeed!.

    I know the Finnish intelligence and probably CIA are all over this. I just hope the CIA is working overtime...they, at least, do love the Finns, and, the Finns love the USA, always have.

    Perkele! I was going to bring up Tom. Oh, well, at least I can link to Chickenhawk, which is even nastier. Tom, for all his faults, stuck to men.

    He also hated the Nazis, but said they had the sexiest uniforms.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    An old boyfriend in college said, "Damn, those Nazis were heinous but they did have fetching uniforms."
  143. @Anonym
    Except that doesn't really stack up based on what I've seen. The gay guy I know, knew he was homosexual before he was 10. He had kids btw. Homosexual in nature before, during, after marriage. His wife was shaped very boyishly.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can't conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.

    I think some people are probably in the middle somewhere, and for them, some life choices can lead to a homosexual lifestyle.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can’t conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.

    Exactly. And someone could pipe up and say “well that’s just your experience” … except all the data disagree. A very small percentage of men–roughly 2%–are queer–something’s gone wrong with the wiring, the rest are straight. There’s basically zero evidence for any sort of “continuum”. Very few bisexual men. (“Bisexual” just means homosexual and still figuring it out.) Almost no men are in the mushy middle.

    And the males who are gay–they seem to have detectable signs at a pretty early age. Whatever the cause–Greg Cochran has a bunch of posts making the germ argument–it strikes early–in the womb or early childhood, while the brain is developing.

    We’ll figure this all out–probably fairly soon. Or if embargoed by PC–quite likely in the West–the Chinese or Koreans will figure it out. Then we can be rid of it.

    ~~~

    Note the above is all about men. Women’s sexuality–in terms of practice–seems to be more conditional and fluid, though i’d guess that hard dykes have some similar clear biological causation. (IIRC women exposed to DES in the womb report a considerably higher rate of having engaged in lesbian relations.) With women there does some to be some tendency toward having late in life—perhaps post-menopausal?—turn toward lesbianism. Perhaps gals who were always leaning that way and lack any further reason to be with men once their child rearing is done, or perhaps just the ovaries shutting down. Speculation–not a biology guy.

    My point is the survey data is pretty clear. For men at least it’s pretty binary and whatever the cause it seems to mess up the brain pretty early.

    • Replies: @5371
    [Almost no men are in the mushy middle.]

    But about twice as many men have had at least one experience with homo sex as say they are "gay" or "bisexual", and about three times as many have done so as say they are attracted "mostly" or "only" to males.

    [With women there does some to be some tendency toward having late in life—perhaps post-menopausal?—turn toward lesbianism.]

    Quite the opposite. It's among young women that, if survey data is to be believed, there has recently been a considerable increase in the percentage who have tried lesbian sex.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
  144. @Reg Cæsar
    Perkele! I was going to bring up Tom. Oh, well, at least I can link to Chickenhawk, which is even nastier. Tom, for all his faults, stuck to men.

    He also hated the Nazis, but said they had the sexiest uniforms.

    An old boyfriend in college said, “Damn, those Nazis were heinous but they did have fetching uniforms.”

  145. @AnotherDad

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can’t conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.
     
    Exactly. And someone could pipe up and say "well that's just your experience" ... except all the data disagree. A very small percentage of men--roughly 2%--are queer--something's gone wrong with the wiring, the rest are straight. There's basically zero evidence for any sort of "continuum". Very few bisexual men. ("Bisexual" just means homosexual and still figuring it out.) Almost no men are in the mushy middle.

    And the males who are gay--they seem to have detectable signs at a pretty early age. Whatever the cause--Greg Cochran has a bunch of posts making the germ argument--it strikes early--in the womb or early childhood, while the brain is developing.

    We'll figure this all out--probably fairly soon. Or if embargoed by PC--quite likely in the West--the Chinese or Koreans will figure it out. Then we can be rid of it.

    ~~~

    Note the above is all about men. Women's sexuality--in terms of practice--seems to be more conditional and fluid, though i'd guess that hard dykes have some similar clear biological causation. (IIRC women exposed to DES in the womb report a considerably higher rate of having engaged in lesbian relations.) With women there does some to be some tendency toward having late in life—perhaps post-menopausal?—turn toward lesbianism. Perhaps gals who were always leaning that way and lack any further reason to be with men once their child rearing is done, or perhaps just the ovaries shutting down. Speculation--not a biology guy.

    My point is the survey data is pretty clear. For men at least it’s pretty binary and whatever the cause it seems to mess up the brain pretty early.

    [Almost no men are in the mushy middle.]

    But about twice as many men have had at least one experience with homo sex as say they are “gay” or “bisexual”, and about three times as many have done so as say they are attracted “mostly” or “only” to males.

    [With women there does some to be some tendency toward having late in life—perhaps post-menopausal?—turn toward lesbianism.]

    Quite the opposite. It’s among young women that, if survey data is to be believed, there has recently been a considerable increase in the percentage who have tried lesbian sex.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

  146. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Lex

    Communism was once the values and ideology of much of Central/Eastern Europe that fell under Soviet Rule. But that part of Europe was European before communism and after communism.

    Also, values and ideas can be exported or exist elsewhere. There were plenty of non-European Christians and plenty of non-European communists.
     
    What? Where was communism "values and ideology"? Even apparatchiks didn't believe this. Under communist rule Poland in fact become more Christian than ever.

    “What? Where was communism ‘values and ideology’? Even apparatchiks didn’t believe this. Under communist rule Poland in fact become more Christian than ever.”

    What a dammy. I didn’t say most Poles embraced communism. I said it was the official ideology of all the Warsaw nations, and long as it lasted, communism was seen as an indispensable value system of the Europe. Commie nations believed that their ideology was scientific and that even capitalist nations would eventually turn commie.

    OF course, many people thought otherwise, but we are talking official policy here.
    Even now, not every European believes in this ‘European values’ crap, especially as European values seem to be about rejecting European survival. I mean what kind of value system is that? WE ARE MORALLY AND CULTURALLY SUPERIOR BECAUSE WE WELCOME FOREIGNERS TO OVERRUN AND DESTROY US. It’d be like a hippo saying he has great hippo values because he wants to be devoured by crocodiles.

    In a way, the hostility of foreigners toward Europe is in accordance with ‘European values’. After all, if Europe is calling for assisted suicide, it is only being aided by those who would murder it.

  147. @Anonymous
    Pretty good summary: From 2011 military intervention to 2015 refugee crisis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QEgBkqiFoc

    haha Beethoven’s ode de joy ‘ alle mensch will be bruder’

  148. @Anonym
    Except that doesn't really stack up based on what I've seen. The gay guy I know, knew he was homosexual before he was 10. He had kids btw. Homosexual in nature before, during, after marriage. His wife was shaped very boyishly.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever. Does not appeal. I can't conceive of any life choice that would lead me in that direction.

    I think some people are probably in the middle somewhere, and for them, some life choices can lead to a homosexual lifestyle.

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever.

    Can a man have a negative Kinsey integer? I mean beyond the erotic, finding the male body repellent to touch or look at?

    Years ago, while visiting my then-future, now-ex, brother-in-law’s family, I stayed in his brother’s room, which was full of bodybuilding mags and posters thereoutof all over the walls. I was convinced the guy was queer, though not “out”, and even more so after he ran away from home the next year.

    But he eventually returned, and went on to a normal married life, so what did I know? It was just inconceivable to me that any straight guy could stomach, let alone enjoy, looking at male musculature.

    Even though I’ll shake hands on principle, when at a liberal (ie, English) church I’ll position myself near women and children for the “sign of peace”. Just bathing my baby sons required stifling the gag reflex.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe. Though I find gay porn repellent, I can definitely appreciate a symmetrical muscular physique in a non-homo way. Looks a lot more 'right' than some starved ecto or a tub of lard on a couch. And I know what I would prefer to look like even if I can't summon the effort any more.

    This is one reason Arnie's movies were popular. They are popular beyond the few percent that are homos.
  149. @tbraton
    The first thought that ran through my mind when I saw that Daily Mail (?) photo of the hordes of Syrian refugees disembarking at "Athens" was "what are the Greeks thinking?" If the Greeks didn't provide free ferry service from Lesbos to Athens, how could they get to Germany? Then it occurred to me that cynical Greeks are paying back the Germans for terribly mistreating them in the debt talks. I find it more than ironical that Germans, who invaded Greece during WWII and brutally occupied their part of Greece (Greece was divided up among Germany, Italy and Bulgaria during WWII), resented giving their Euro partner Greece even the slightest break on their untenable debt but have no qualms about inviting several million Arabs to Germany and picking up the tab. I think the whole concept of giving "political asylum" has become a scam of prosperous Western countries and too many Westerners are too stupid and gullible to realize it. You don't see Singapore or Japan taking in large numbers of "political asylum" seekers. Israel has offered to take in "around 200" of their neighbors, which sounds about right. Since the U.S. has approximately 50X the population of Israel, that would translate into 10,000 refugees, as long as we made it clear that no family reunification would apply, so the 10,000 doesn't translate into 100,000 or more.

    The problem for the Greeks is that there doesn’t seem to be any end to the migrants arriving on the Greek Islands. Greece could find it self even more overwhelmed if the passage out of Greece gets blocked for whatever reason even for a week. The flow should slow down as the fall and winter approaches but they will still come. I guess it’s the if I’m going down, I’m taking you with me mentality.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I'm astounded that nobody in power is publicly criticizing the role of the Turks in facilitating this invasion of its NATO "ally" Greece. If Obama had the balls to tell the Turks to stop the flow, I'm sure the flow would stop. Of course, Obama goes along with Turkey's plan to bomb our "allies" the Kurds in exchange for permission to use the Turks' airbase so we can bomb ISIS, subject to Turkish oversight and restrictions. (There wouldn't be a long-running civil war in Syria had not Erdogan reversed his position, declared war in effect on Assad and facilitated the flow of jihadists into Syria.) It should be remembered that our NATO "ally' Turkey refused permission to the U.S. to invade Iraq from the north during the Iraq War of 2003, while our NATO "ally" Greece allowed the U.S. and other allied forces to use the northern city of Thessaloniki to invade Serbia, even though Greece was opposed to that war with Serbia, just as Turkey was opposed to the war with Iraq. (They were each right about the respective wars imo, btw.) When Turks criticize the West's asylum policies, someone should have the nerve to point out that the West is merely following the past policies of Turkey, which did its best to evict both Armenians and Greeks from Anatolia, despite the fact that they had both been there long before the Ottoman Turks showed up in the neighborhood.

    As far as the Greeks are concerned, I am somewhat surprised that their navy is spending more time rescuing drowning refugees (I read that they have recently saved 50 such refugees) rather than sinking one of the overloaded rafts which are entering Greek territorial waters illegally. That might send a message to the people in Turkey facilitating this invasion. In the same way that the best way to stop a riot is to be ruthless at the start and start shooting a few looters in cold blood and without remorse. More damage and greater loss of life may be averted that way than by allowing riots to proceed passively.
  150. How shameful the leader of Finland could be so gullible. Or maybe he knew he was being duped and simply didn’t care because he was scoring political points among some voters.

    One thing that hasn’t changed is the media fixating on certain spurious or minor events to show they are right. Right now the media is focused on the Hungarian camerawoman who tripped the man and the child he was carrying. The media seems upset that Hungary is building a border fence and is trying to vilify the country any way it can.

  151. @Reg Cæsar

    By contrast, it does not require me to expend any effort at all to resist homosexual relationships, porn, whatever.
     
    Can a man have a negative Kinsey integer? I mean beyond the erotic, finding the male body repellent to touch or look at?

    Years ago, while visiting my then-future, now-ex, brother-in-law's family, I stayed in his brother's room, which was full of bodybuilding mags and posters thereoutof all over the walls. I was convinced the guy was queer, though not "out", and even more so after he ran away from home the next year.

    But he eventually returned, and went on to a normal married life, so what did I know? It was just inconceivable to me that any straight guy could stomach, let alone enjoy, looking at male musculature.

    Even though I'll shake hands on principle, when at a liberal (ie, English) church I'll position myself near women and children for the "sign of peace". Just bathing my baby sons required stifling the gag reflex.

    Maybe. Though I find gay porn repellent, I can definitely appreciate a symmetrical muscular physique in a non-homo way. Looks a lot more ‘right’ than some starved ecto or a tub of lard on a couch. And I know what I would prefer to look like even if I can’t summon the effort any more.

    This is one reason Arnie’s movies were popular. They are popular beyond the few percent that are homos.

  152. @gruff

    What does the sex/gender ratio of a man’s children have to do w/his sexuality? Or is this just an obsession of yours?
     
    You've misunderstood. Sailer is implying that that young Muslim man would be a sexual threat to the Prime Minister's daughters, should he move into his house and live with his family.

    The PM should be more worried about his sons…………….

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    The PM should be more worried about his sons…………….

     

    Now, now… they're Syrians, not Afghans.

    (And what's with the pentellipses?)
  153. @ben tillman
    Already gone.

    It’s still up for me as of ten seconds ago.

  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    The PM should be more worried about his sons................

    The PM should be more worried about his sons…………….

    Now, now… they’re Syrians, not Afghans.

    (And what’s with the pentellipses?)

  155. @Perspective
    The problem for the Greeks is that there doesn't seem to be any end to the migrants arriving on the Greek Islands. Greece could find it self even more overwhelmed if the passage out of Greece gets blocked for whatever reason even for a week. The flow should slow down as the fall and winter approaches but they will still come. I guess it's the if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me mentality.

    I’m astounded that nobody in power is publicly criticizing the role of the Turks in facilitating this invasion of its NATO “ally” Greece. If Obama had the balls to tell the Turks to stop the flow, I’m sure the flow would stop. Of course, Obama goes along with Turkey’s plan to bomb our “allies” the Kurds in exchange for permission to use the Turks’ airbase so we can bomb ISIS, subject to Turkish oversight and restrictions. (There wouldn’t be a long-running civil war in Syria had not Erdogan reversed his position, declared war in effect on Assad and facilitated the flow of jihadists into Syria.) It should be remembered that our NATO “ally’ Turkey refused permission to the U.S. to invade Iraq from the north during the Iraq War of 2003, while our NATO “ally” Greece allowed the U.S. and other allied forces to use the northern city of Thessaloniki to invade Serbia, even though Greece was opposed to that war with Serbia, just as Turkey was opposed to the war with Iraq. (They were each right about the respective wars imo, btw.) When Turks criticize the West’s asylum policies, someone should have the nerve to point out that the West is merely following the past policies of Turkey, which did its best to evict both Armenians and Greeks from Anatolia, despite the fact that they had both been there long before the Ottoman Turks showed up in the neighborhood.

    As far as the Greeks are concerned, I am somewhat surprised that their navy is spending more time rescuing drowning refugees (I read that they have recently saved 50 such refugees) rather than sinking one of the overloaded rafts which are entering Greek territorial waters illegally. That might send a message to the people in Turkey facilitating this invasion. In the same way that the best way to stop a riot is to be ruthless at the start and start shooting a few looters in cold blood and without remorse. More damage and greater loss of life may be averted that way than by allowing riots to proceed passively.

    • Replies: @5371
    Given recent events, I am not surprised the Greeks have no interest in saving the Germans from the consequences of their own folly.
  156. @Anonymous
    Steve, mr Sipilä and his family live in Helsinki. He is offering his empty mansion near Oulu to asylum seekers. The man is worth 20-30 million euros, so he can afford these little gestures.

    This. Though to be accurate, Sipilä currently lives in Sipoo, not in Helsinki. Sipoo is right next to Helsinki.

    Also, he probably won’t be paying a single cent of the expenses. Not even while the asylum seekers are in his spare mansion, and certainly not after they are granted asylum and move out to apartments of their own.

  157. My head explodes every time I watch the news or read the newspapers. My country is being ruined in front of my eyes.

    Steve: totally spot on regarding the Ned Flanders types!

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Yeah, you're not seeing a whole lot of sisu these days, are you?
  158. @A Finn
    My head explodes every time I watch the news or read the newspapers. My country is being ruined in front of my eyes.

    Steve: totally spot on regarding the Ned Flanders types!

    Yeah, you’re not seeing a whole lot of sisu these days, are you?

  159. The Swedes have a word – lagom – that means “enough” in the Goldilocks sense. Less than lagom is too little; more than lagom is too much. Lagom itself is perfect.

    A lagom dash of Arabic salt in the Scandinavian melted-snow soup makes it oh-so-vibrant and m’mmm m’mmmm good. (Or so sayeth the multiculti masters.)

    What is the lagom number of downtrodden yet buff migrants living in the Nordic countries? It must have a lot of zeroes after it.

  160. @tbraton
    I'm astounded that nobody in power is publicly criticizing the role of the Turks in facilitating this invasion of its NATO "ally" Greece. If Obama had the balls to tell the Turks to stop the flow, I'm sure the flow would stop. Of course, Obama goes along with Turkey's plan to bomb our "allies" the Kurds in exchange for permission to use the Turks' airbase so we can bomb ISIS, subject to Turkish oversight and restrictions. (There wouldn't be a long-running civil war in Syria had not Erdogan reversed his position, declared war in effect on Assad and facilitated the flow of jihadists into Syria.) It should be remembered that our NATO "ally' Turkey refused permission to the U.S. to invade Iraq from the north during the Iraq War of 2003, while our NATO "ally" Greece allowed the U.S. and other allied forces to use the northern city of Thessaloniki to invade Serbia, even though Greece was opposed to that war with Serbia, just as Turkey was opposed to the war with Iraq. (They were each right about the respective wars imo, btw.) When Turks criticize the West's asylum policies, someone should have the nerve to point out that the West is merely following the past policies of Turkey, which did its best to evict both Armenians and Greeks from Anatolia, despite the fact that they had both been there long before the Ottoman Turks showed up in the neighborhood.

    As far as the Greeks are concerned, I am somewhat surprised that their navy is spending more time rescuing drowning refugees (I read that they have recently saved 50 such refugees) rather than sinking one of the overloaded rafts which are entering Greek territorial waters illegally. That might send a message to the people in Turkey facilitating this invasion. In the same way that the best way to stop a riot is to be ruthless at the start and start shooting a few looters in cold blood and without remorse. More damage and greater loss of life may be averted that way than by allowing riots to proceed passively.

    Given recent events, I am not surprised the Greeks have no interest in saving the Germans from the consequences of their own folly.

  161. @TWS
    So Finland has a government to the left of FDR but that's still not 'progressive' enough to you. Still feel like you have to make up for being on Hitler's side. Don't lots of countries were.

    Why would Finns feel some need to make up for anything? World War II was just a continuation of a near millennium of history of us being stuck fighting the Russians for some Germanic cause that isn’t planning on giving us equal rights.

    The irony is that the biggest cultural corruption we suffered from World War II is that Finns feel overly positive towards Germany and we instantly rushed to make ourselves Germany’s most faithful servant in the EU without any debate. It’s hardly likely an accident that we hopped on the refugee train right after Germany’s choice and right after the elections that saw a personal visit from Angela Merkel to show support for the most pro-EU, pro-multiculturalism of candidates some of whom are now sitting in government.

    And the current Finnish government is extremely conservative even by American standards with the center right party being supported by the right-wing party and the so-called far-right-wing populist party. Sipilä spent half a year being intensely hated by the media for his refusal to compromise on his convictions that abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong. I did keep telling my countrymen that hoping for anti-immigration policies from religious conservatives is basically begging for the flood but no one seems to have listened.

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