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German technocrat Thilo Sarrazin, author of 2010′s Germany Abolishes Itself, which sold an insane 1.5 million copies, has a new book out, much to the disgust of everybody except German bookbuyers, who have bought up 100,000 copies in two weeks.

From the Financial Times of London:

Hostile Takeover: How Islam Hinders Progress and Threatens Society, by Thilo Sarrazin

An Islamophobic diatribe disguised as a work of scholarship

In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump

Review by Guy Chazan SEPTEMBER 9, 2018 Print this page42

There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

It’s no wonder. Feindliche Übernahme — or, to give it its full title, Hostile Takeover: How Islam Hinders Progress and Threatens Society — has the potential to become a bible of Germany’s new right. It provides the pseudo-intellectual underpinning for a xenophobic worldview that is striking ever-deeper roots in German society and poisoning its politics. …

A former senior civil servant in Berlin’s finance ministry and ex-director of the Bundesbank, Sarrazin has form. His 2010 book Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany Is Abolishing Itself) claimed that the German nation was committing collective suicide by allowing in so many uneducated Muslims. It was a bestseller, shifting more than 1.5m copies, and paved the way for the anti-immigration, anti-Islam Alternative for Germany, now the largest opposition party in the Bundestag. If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”

Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.

In the Koran, Sarrazin sees only “intolerance, violence, hatred for infidels, backwardness and the oppression of women”. Islamic societies are described as backward, undemocratic, plagued by war and marked by a lack of intellectual curiosity. All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.

While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.

Etcetera etcetera …

The reviewer is the FT’s Berlin bureau chief

 
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  1. Silva says:

    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

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    Excellent point.

    I notice nothing in Guy Chazan's CV that suggests he is fluent in the languages of Afghanistan and the Central Asian republics he has covered, but I guess he's just a journalist who writes about his subject for a living, so fluency doesn't matter for that kind of work--oh wait.
    , @Anon
    If English was good enough for St. Paul, it's good enough for me.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

     

    Today, it'd be Kanye Greek.
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  2. I wonder how Mr. Chazan feels about Israel helping take in the Islamic horde…

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    Israel is a "unique" ethnostate, as their new law specifically states, so they don't need to take any stinkin' immigrants. Goyim, not so much....
    , @Autochthon
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  3. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Differing opinions are now hate speech guys…gals…bipedal organisms…differently abled multicellular amalgamations. But where were these people back when Richard Dawkins was making fun of Christian Creationists or when Hollywood was pumping out anti-white paranoia pieces in the 1980s? Remember that stupid show “The Greatest American Hero” back from the early 80s? That show’s pilot involved a hippie liberal schoolteacher taking on skinhead white Christian neo-Nazis in dune buggies. The Bionic Woman and Six Million Dollar Man? Their reunion show back in late 80s involved a plot revolving around an evil grouping of white men dedicated to destroying foreign “filth” immigrants pouring into America. It would seem like there is double standard here: “hateful portrayals of our enemies are good but unflattering portrayals of our nannies and future primary voters is bad.”

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  4. Rob McX says:

    In totally unrelated news, the Financial Times reported last year that “up the three quarters” of Merkel’s refugees would still be unemployed in five years’ time, according to the German government’s own commissioner for immigration. Sarrazin sees this as a problem even though, as the reviewer says, he’s “neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian”.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Correction: "up to three quarters..."
    , @Anonymous
    Remember how 'leading economists' screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called 'refugees' would be the 'greatest boost ever' for the Germany economy?
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  5. Rob McX says:
    @Rob McX
    In totally unrelated news, the Financial Times reported last year that "up the three quarters" of Merkel's refugees would still be unemployed in five years' time, according to the German government's own commissioner for immigration. Sarrazin sees this as a problem even though, as the reviewer says, he's "neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian".

    Correction: “up to three quarters…”

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Correction: “up to three quarters…”

     

    I liked it the first time.

    "Deinem Dreiviertel hinauf, kamelliebender Schweinhund!!"

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  6. Mr. Anon says:

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    ………………………….

    Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.

    Whereas Madeleine Albright is at least a fascist.

    If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”

    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

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    • Replies: @donut
    "Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors , Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola." That would be hilarious .
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Yep, whereas Mr. Sarrazin's book is a screed that provides pseusdo-intellectual underpinnings of ... whatever, Miss Albright's 495-page is a WARNING, not like Mr. Sarrazin's book which is not a warning, but, again, just a screed.

    Have you ever heard of screeds out of the ctrl-left? It's kinda weird, but I guess they just don't gravitate toward the same classes at the university. Whereas the left enrolls heavily in Seminar: Literature of the Enlightened Antifascist - LIT 699 (3 credits), for example, the xenophopes, anti-communists, and behead-a-phobes are the majority of the enrollment of classes such as The Screed in Modern Literature - LIT 309 (3 credits).
    , @Dr. X

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.
     
    I'm sure the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade appreciated the warning.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

     

    Ebola doesn't spread rapidly because it usually kills its victim before he can transmit it.

    But that's in spacious Africa. In crowded Germany, it could be quite the problem.
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  7. Tyrion 2 says:

    Islamic societies are described as backward, undemocratic, plagued by war and marked by a lack of intellectual curiosity.

    Whereas Islamic societies are actually advanced, democratic, peaceful and marked by a surfeit of intellectual curiosity.

    Is that the politically correct line? Or is it to admit that Tharazin is right but it is actually our fault?

    Probably safer to pretend that Islamic societies are both amazing and that we are responsible for everything bad in them.

    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.

    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don’t want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.

    I suspect that they suspect they might not be up to achieving as much economically and technologically either so they’re particularly shy of following down our path.

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    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.
     
    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don’t want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.
     
    I often say that liberals are half right, just not for the reasons they think they are. The things you describe not only put Muslims off from wanting to assimilate to the West, they put me and many other Westerners off wanting to assimilate to the modern West.

    Another underappreciated Western contribution to the recent fundamentalization of Islam is that up until about a century ago, most Muslims had never read the Koran. Besides that Korans were scarce, most Muslims were illiterate. So most of what they thought of as "Islam" was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization. But instead, for the first time in history, Muslims are actually reading the Koran and discovering that Osama bin Laden's take is basically correct. Add modern broadcasting and internet technology, financed by the massive petro-wealth dividend, and here we are.

    Unfortunately, these particular genies cannot be stuffed back into their bottles. Must millions die before any new civilizational equilibrium is reached? Probably.

    , @Sam
    Colin Quinn said it best in his standup show Long Story Short:

    “We go, ‘That’s different — everybody wants democracy,’ ” he says. “No, they don’t. They wanted democracy in 1960, yeah, when it was the Beach Boys, the Mickey Mouse Club, Jack Lemmon driving the Ford convertible. Now democracy is Lil Wayne and ‘Girls Gone Wild.’ Not everybody wants that in their culture.”
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X97OEYFZos4

    It is very interesting to wonder how Islamic fundamentalism would have developed without the sexual revolution and if there was any revulsion on the part of middle of the road Middle Easterners. On the other hand Sayyid Qutb's famous visit to the US that so disgusted him came in the late 40's. Another argument is that the demographic change steadily favoured the more reactionary sorts.
    Still I can't imagine that the sexual revolution didn't have some effect plus the general sense in the 70's that America was coming apart in the seams. An issue worth studying.
    , @Arclight
    Was going to say the same thing about how backwards Islamic societies are - the cult of multiculturalism has been fairly successful at implanting the idea that there are no inferior cultures, particularly if they are non-European in origin. Any area in which they come up short compared to Western civilization is the fault of colonialism, not what practices and values they adhere to. Thus, massive numbers of Islamic immigrants to European countries isn't a problem because they are basically aspiring Europeans, not people whose culture is largely at odds with their new host country's.
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  8. donut says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    ...............................

    Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.
     
    Whereas Madeleine Albright is at least a fascist.

    If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”
     
    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin's detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

    “Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors , Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.” That would be hilarious .

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    True, Donut, not "haha" hilarious, mind you, just flesh-deteriorating hilarious, like "hey, I can see the bones in my shin" hilarious. No worries, this is a job for Medecins sans Frontieres Assholes sans Derreires.

    One more thing:

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    It's not like there was anything that charged up the atmosphere, though, was there? History really does rhyme like crazy - the anti-Nazi rhetoric has been going on for > 8 decades, yet no lesson has been learned. Was not a big part of the Nazis' rise due to their willingness to fight the Communists fighting in the street in the manner of our present antifa, trying to create another USSR in Germany?

    Regarding the writer's military metaphors, it's likely a lot fewer real grenades would have been thrown had their not been an existential crisis for Germany those long years ago also. History, people! You can't get your entire education from reading nested tweets.
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  9. No, there’s no bias in this guy … no, not at all. Holy moley this Financial Times is evil! Is this that pink-colored paper with the fold on the left? I’ve picked it up maybe twice, so I am not too familiar.

    BTW, that “Holy Moly” reminded me that the writer capitaliized “Islam” but not “bible”. Granted it was used in the sense of “the bible of reloading” for a book on all things related to that growing past-time. Pretty soon, I guess, the Germans can safely (right?) start using the expression “the koran of grooming” for that past-time, or “the koran of jihad” without fear of correction or beheading from the … errr, grammar moslems.

    I hope Mr. Sarrazin’s latest book can beat sales of The Shooter’s Bible even. I will say that there will probably be many more Germans that read Hostile Takeover compared to the sales numbers. Many will be too scared to be seen even going in to buy the book, for fear of neo-fascist harrasment by people like this Financial Times writer.

    Aaah, hell, what do I know? I’m neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian.

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    I hope Mr. Sarrazin’s latest book can beat sales of The Shooter’s Bible even.
     
    TSB is basically sales flack. Gun Digest is the annual you really want, with past editions chock full of keeper articles.
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  10. AndrewR says:

    It’s cliché to point out at this point, but leftists (including neo-leftists that write for neoliberal publications) want to submit to Islam even if few of them will come out and say it. It’s time we showed them who is truly dominant and whom they should really submit to.

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  11. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Germany needs this book like it needs an outbreak of Ebola’.

    -Well, there’s only one possible way an outbreak of Ebola could possibly occur on German soil……

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    Well the Marburg outbreak came from experiments on monkeys in, em, Marburg.

    But yes I know exactly what you mean.
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  12. @Mr. Anon

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    ...............................

    Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.
     
    Whereas Madeleine Albright is at least a fascist.

    If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”
     
    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin's detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

    Yep, whereas Mr. Sarrazin’s book is a screed that provides pseusdo-intellectual underpinnings of … whatever, Miss Albright’s 495-page is a WARNING, not like Mr. Sarrazin’s book which is not a warning, but, again, just a screed.

    Have you ever heard of screeds out of the ctrl-left? It’s kinda weird, but I guess they just don’t gravitate toward the same classes at the university. Whereas the left enrolls heavily in Seminar: Literature of the Enlightened Antifascist – LIT 699 (3 credits), for example, the xenophopes, anti-communists, and behead-a-phobes are the majority of the enrollment of classes such as The Screed in Modern Literature – LIT 309 (3 credits).

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  13. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    I would love to read Sarrazin’s books.

    Why haven’t they be translated into English?

    I’m sure that there is a profitable market for them.

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    • Replies: @ACommenter
    Why wasn't "200 Years Together"?
    , @Anonymous
    "Why haven’t they be translated into English?"

    This was exhaustively hashed over in a recent comment thread here. GIYF.
    , @Aldous Kleinschmitt
    No major in English publisher would market it. The only way it could be done would be to have it translated and marketed by small independent publishers as have been done with so many books. Since David Irving has been boycotted by the major publishing houses over the past 25 years or so, he has been able to get his books out by self-publishing and offering them on the internet. If Mr. Sarazan would be agreeable to this it could be done.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Give me the French version and ill translate from French to English. I'll post it on some pirate site or something.
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  14. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    In totally unrelated news, the Financial Times reported last year that "up the three quarters" of Merkel's refugees would still be unemployed in five years' time, according to the German government's own commissioner for immigration. Sarrazin sees this as a problem even though, as the reviewer says, he's "neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian".

    Remember how ‘leading economists’ screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called ‘refugees’ would be the ‘greatest boost ever’ for the Germany economy?

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    WELL, 25% OF THEM ARE!
    , @Clyde

    Remember how ‘leading economists’ screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called ‘refugees’ would be the ‘greatest boost ever’ for the Germany economy?
     
    We all know that mad cat-lady Merkel was all in due to a weird sexual dynamic vis a vis those young strapping Muslim and sub-Saharan (read pitch black) refugees. Many selfies of the childless cat-lady posing with them. She got more V tingles than she had in decades. I submit that the same emotions were percolating within scores of German male politicos and elected hacks. With lots of homo-erotic fatal attraction to the "authentic" ThirdWorlder other as in other male. Go blame existentialism and post modern cuckism.
    So dumb, pathetic and stupid I have to laugh.
    , @Alec Leamas
    I think you're failing to understand the worldview of the economists.

    Even if only 25% of the refugees are working, 100% of them are consuming.

    Toilet paper sales are waaaaayyyy up!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc
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  15. @donut
    "Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors , Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola." That would be hilarious .

    True, Donut, not “haha” hilarious, mind you, just flesh-deteriorating hilarious, like “hey, I can see the bones in my shin” hilarious. No worries, this is a job for Medecins sans Frontieres Assholes sans Derreires.

    One more thing:

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.

    It’s not like there was anything that charged up the atmosphere, though, was there? History really does rhyme like crazy – the anti-Nazi rhetoric has been going on for > 8 decades, yet no lesson has been learned. Was not a big part of the Nazis’ rise due to their willingness to fight the Communists fighting in the street in the manner of our present antifa, trying to create another USSR in Germany?

    Regarding the writer’s military metaphors, it’s likely a lot fewer real grenades would have been thrown had their not been an existential crisis for Germany those long years ago also. History, people! You can’t get your entire education from reading nested tweets.

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    Remember how 'leading economists' screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called 'refugees' would be the 'greatest boost ever' for the Germany economy?

    WELL, 25% OF THEM ARE!

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Lol.

    In fact, last time I heard any quantification of migrant employment rates, it was that "90% or more" remain unemployed. Which statement might include the figure of 100%. Well, maybe not quite 100%. There was that "Mohammad H."* in Germany who got a job as a hairdresser in Herzberg. (Of course, he ended up stabbing his employer to death and slitting her throat, but that's just a technicality, the point is that he was employed when he did it, and that's what you should take away from this unfortunate, and entirely unforeseeable and unpreventable tragedy. Don't you dare draw any other conclusions you racist Nazi.)

    *I'm not sure what's behind the strange custom in modern Germany of not disclosing the full names of criminals while being pretty free with information about their victims. Whatever it is, I'm sure our journalistic betters know best.
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  17. GentleEu says:

    Sarrazin is completely right. Germany has already experienced mass rapes, violence, terrorism, intimidation, harassing, even stoning at the hands of muslim immigrants. The UK is infested by bands of muslim pedophiles abusing British girls, and has also experienced terrorism, violence and fear at the hands of muslims.

    Ditto for Sweden, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Denmark. Everywhere in Europe where muslim immigrants are allowed to settle violence, sexual assaults, rapes, terrorism, intimidation follow.

    And if you look at any muslim-majority country you’ll see statistics that will point out high illiteracy, tolerance for rape and child rape, inbreeding, violence, wars and civil wars, draconian punishments, segregation of women, widespread corruption, and low levels of innovation, creativity, and progress.

    Islam is a religion which encourages rape, incest, child marriage and child sexual abuse, violence and hatred towards the unbelievers, because that’s what Mohammed did: raping slaves and prisoners of war, marrying and having sex with a pre-pubescent child, killing his enemies and critics, treating non-muslims as second class citizens at best.

    You don’t need to be a “muslim scholar” to know that. You just need to listen to what “muslim scholars” ACTUALLY say. They’re promoting violence, rape, child marriage, slavery, muslim supremacy, incest and inbreeding.

    Islam is simply the religion which is shaped and has been shaped by the highly tribal, violent, inbred populations of North Africa, the Middle East and South-East Asia.

    What’s even worse is that those nations have reproductions patterns that reward the dumber, most tribal, “fundamentalist” part of islam. Oil-rich nations are governed by inbred dynasties that spread the dumbest, most tribal, most violent islamic teachings. North Africa and the Middle East are shitholes, and so is South-East Asia.

    Even Anatolian muslims, Turkic muslims, Balkan muslims and Caucasus muslims, who are less inbred and tribal than Arabs, Indonesians or Afghans, or Pakistanis, are still lagging far behind western Europeans, and going steadily backwards, taking their countries down with them.

    Anyone who’s not blinded by globalism can see this, and can understand why bringing tens of thousands of North African/Middle Eastern/Pakistani/Indonesian/Afghan muslims in an European nation would spell disaster.

    If the European leaders were actually protecting their citizens, and not the interests of the multinational corporations and the globalist agenda, they’d have all agreed to close their borders, sink the immigrant ships, and do all they could to create a system where only highly selected immigrants, preferably non-muslims, would have been allowed in.

    Even better: they wouldn’t have wrecked the authoritarian regimes in North Africa and the Middle East that provide any sort of semblance of stability to the areas, and instead they would have stricken and kept deals about propping up the strongmen in exchange for no mass immigration.

    Instead Merkel, Sarkozy, Hollande, Verhofstadt, Juncker, and all the other European globalist leaders, with the help of globalist American leaders, have taken down Gaddafi, promoted islamist insurrections, tried to take down Assad, etc, creating power vacuums that have allowed the unwashed masses to seep through, then offered the same unwashed mass refuge in Europe.

    Globalists are traitors. People in Europe need to wake up to this fact, elected nativist leaders, put a stop to immigration by any means necessary, and round up and expel the muslim immigrants, along with all other immigrants, especially illegals and troublemakers. The sooner the better. The safety of Europeans should come first for European leaders.

    There are some encouraging signals from Hungary, Poland, Italy. There’s a rise of populism and nativism pretty much everywhere. The globalists are doing whatever they can to fight back, though, hence this article in the Financial Times.

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    DEAR ISLAMISTS:
    GentleEu HATES YOU. BEHEAD HIM FIRST.
    Allah's (formerly Jesus') most devout servant,
    Redneck Farmer
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    This guy gets it.

    Unlike my hopelessly blue-pilled normie neighbor, who, "...just doesn't get why the Middle East isn't an industrial powerhouse..."
    , @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.
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  18. @Silva
    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

    Excellent point.

    I notice nothing in Guy Chazan’s CV that suggests he is fluent in the languages of Afghanistan and the Central Asian republics he has covered, but I guess he’s just a journalist who writes about his subject for a living, so fluency doesn’t matter for that kind of work–oh wait.

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  19. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.

    A few points seem worth mentioning here:

    1) The vast majority of peaceful protesters there weren’t neo-Nazis.

    2) The presence of neo-Nazis and LARPers is unhelpful to the right, here as well as there. One of the points an AfD pol made to the FT a while back when they had a not-entirely-biased profile on the party was resentment about a focus on the Nazi period to the exclusion of centuries of history prior to it.

    3) Germany shouldn’t be a metaphorical munitions dump — it’s a highly advanced, prosperous European country. That it is one is the fault of Merkel, and the millions of backward, intolerant men she invited into her country.

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    Whether or not there were any actual Nazis there is irrelevant to the likes of Mr. Chazan. If someone disagrees with him, they are a Nazi.
    , @Anonymous

    [FT hack:] In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    There was no "rampage" as even the chief of the secret police agency has publicly acknowledged.

    The incidents were triggered when two Third World "refugees" stabbed a local man to DEATH. The MSM coverage glossed over this detail to portray local demonstrators as bloodthirsty hordes. In fact, the local demonstrations were peaceful overall with only occasional minor scuffles.

    , @J.Ross
    Setting aside the issue that the only neo-Nazis in Germany are policemen or slandered non-Nazis, this grenade has MIRV'd into a hundred thousand vectors of noisy combustion. Resulting in ... nothing. It must have been assembled by Italians.
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  20. @Tyrion 2

    Islamic societies are described as backward, undemocratic, plagued by war and marked by a lack of intellectual curiosity.
     
    Whereas Islamic societies are actually advanced, democratic, peaceful and marked by a surfeit of intellectual curiosity.

    Is that the politically correct line? Or is it to admit that Tharazin is right but it is actually our fault?

    Probably safer to pretend that Islamic societies are both amazing and that we are responsible for everything bad in them.


    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.
     
    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don't want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.

    I suspect that they suspect they might not be up to achieving as much economically and technologically either so they're particularly shy of following down our path.

    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.

    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don’t want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.

    I often say that liberals are half right, just not for the reasons they think they are. The things you describe not only put Muslims off from wanting to assimilate to the West, they put me and many other Westerners off wanting to assimilate to the modern West.

    Another underappreciated Western contribution to the recent fundamentalization of Islam is that up until about a century ago, most Muslims had never read the Koran. Besides that Korans were scarce, most Muslims were illiterate. So most of what they thought of as “Islam” was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization. But instead, for the first time in history, Muslims are actually reading the Koran and discovering that Osama bin Laden’s take is basically correct. Add modern broadcasting and internet technology, financed by the massive petro-wealth dividend, and here we are.

    Unfortunately, these particular genies cannot be stuffed back into their bottles. Must millions die before any new civilizational equilibrium is reached? Probably.

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    So most of what they thought of as “Islam” was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization.
     
    That sounds a lot like Christianity pre- and post-Gutenberg.
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  21. DFH says:

    So which part of the book does the FT reviewer actually disagree with factually?

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    None really, because he can't. The most he can do is the tired rejoinder:

    "While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes."
     
    "Corrupt" elites are only corrupt by Western standards. By local standards, they are doing exactly what elites are supposed to do.

    The "legacy of colonialism", ah yes, that all-purpose white guilt accelerant. You know, the legacy of that couple of decades of French and British administrative innovations in the Levant and Suez. By contrast, the five centuries of comprehensive Muslim Turkish domination under the Ottomans is of no consequence whatsoever, how dare you even think such a thing. Likewise, the thousands of years of bloody history in the region with or without colonialism or Westerners should be of no significance.

    "Military intervention". Well, here he has a semi-hemi-demi-kind-of-a-point. Most recent Western military intervention has been at best unnecessary and pointless, such as Syria and Libya. Yet the real damage hasn't been so much the Western military interventions themselves, whose casualties have been minor by local standards, but the social re-engnineering attempts that follow in train and include financial and logistical support for dire forces in the local countries, and the moral and administrative enabling of mass refugee movements that improve neither the refugees nor the the destination countries. Of course, the leftist presstitutes cheer this on, so they can't complain too loudly about the military interventions that helped create their new hobby, or they can only complain in a sort of crocodile tear schadenfreude way.
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  22. @Achmed E. Newman
    WELL, 25% OF THEM ARE!

    Lol.

    In fact, last time I heard any quantification of migrant employment rates, it was that “90% or more” remain unemployed. Which statement might include the figure of 100%. Well, maybe not quite 100%. There was that “Mohammad H.”* in Germany who got a job as a hairdresser in Herzberg. (Of course, he ended up stabbing his employer to death and slitting her throat, but that’s just a technicality, the point is that he was employed when he did it, and that’s what you should take away from this unfortunate, and entirely unforeseeable and unpreventable tragedy. Don’t you dare draw any other conclusions you racist Nazi.)

    *I’m not sure what’s behind the strange custom in modern Germany of not disclosing the full names of criminals while being pretty free with information about their victims. Whatever it is, I’m sure our journalistic betters know best.

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  23. Sam says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Islamic societies are described as backward, undemocratic, plagued by war and marked by a lack of intellectual curiosity.
     
    Whereas Islamic societies are actually advanced, democratic, peaceful and marked by a surfeit of intellectual curiosity.

    Is that the politically correct line? Or is it to admit that Tharazin is right but it is actually our fault?

    Probably safer to pretend that Islamic societies are both amazing and that we are responsible for everything bad in them.


    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.
     
    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don't want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.

    I suspect that they suspect they might not be up to achieving as much economically and technologically either so they're particularly shy of following down our path.

    Colin Quinn said it best in his standup show Long Story Short:

    “We go, ‘That’s different — everybody wants democracy,’ ” he says. “No, they don’t. They wanted democracy in 1960, yeah, when it was the Beach Boys, the Mickey Mouse Club, Jack Lemmon driving the Ford convertible. Now democracy is Lil Wayne and ‘Girls Gone Wild.’ Not everybody wants that in their culture.”

    It is very interesting to wonder how Islamic fundamentalism would have developed without the sexual revolution and if there was any revulsion on the part of middle of the road Middle Easterners. On the other hand Sayyid Qutb’s famous visit to the US that so disgusted him came in the late 40′s. Another argument is that the demographic change steadily favoured the more reactionary sorts.
    Still I can’t imagine that the sexual revolution didn’t have some effect plus the general sense in the 70′s that America was coming apart in the seams. An issue worth studying.

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    Qutb:

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.
     
    It's rather clear that the "sexual revolution" can be seen as a fire set by a lit match of widespread access to antibiotics, contraceptive pills, divorce and abortion. But, as Qutb eloquently described, American society was already a pile of wood doused in gasoline before the match was lit. Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today's young women.
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  24. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:

    While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.

    I don’t care.

    I don’t want to entertain the aggressive opinion of differently-wired Abu about how the world works while nursing my beer; there is already trouble enough with local nincompoops.

    Once nearly got into a fight with differently-wired Abu who has a PhD in Math (apparently) and teaches locals but doesn’t know the first thing about how computers work or what they are (they are not “doing the routine things that humans won’t do, but very fast”) and hasn’t heard about Turing telling me I know nothing about IT.

    Return to sender, defective wares.

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  25. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    No, there's no bias in this guy ... no, not at all. Holy moley this Financial Times is evil! Is this that pink-colored paper with the fold on the left? I've picked it up maybe twice, so I am not too familiar.

    BTW, that "Holy Moly" reminded me that the writer capitaliized "Islam" but not "bible". Granted it was used in the sense of "the bible of reloading" for a book on all things related to that growing past-time. Pretty soon, I guess, the Germans can safely (right?) start using the expression "the koran of grooming" for that past-time, or "the koran of jihad" without fear of correction or beheading from the ... errr, grammar moslems.

    I hope Mr. Sarrazin's latest book can beat sales of The Shooter's Bible even. I will say that there will probably be many more Germans that read Hostile Takeover compared to the sales numbers. Many will be too scared to be seen even going in to buy the book, for fear of neo-fascist harrasment by people like this Financial Times writer.

    Aaah, hell, what do I know? I'm neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian.

    I hope Mr. Sarrazin’s latest book can beat sales of The Shooter’s Bible even.

    TSB is basically sales flack. Gun Digest is the annual you really want, with past editions chock full of keeper articles.

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  26. LondonBob says:

    Thing is Thilo would be more accurate if he said that MENA’s issues are low IQ and high level of ethnocentricism, and of course the whole Israeli Oded Yinon plan to destabilise the whole region. More PC to blame Islam though.

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    Islam encourages cousin marriage, which is also correlated with low IQ and high levels of ethnocentrism.

    Also islam is the product of people with low IQ and high levels of ethnocentrism, so its teachings reflect this.
    , @Anon
    Wild . I didnt know Oded Yinon had such power. A hypothetical proposal put forth in the early 80s forced Omar Bashir to genocide millions in South Sudan and Darfur, forced Egyptians to rape and mass murder thousands of Coptic Christians, the original inhabitants of Egypt and Morocco to occupy and mass murder in Western Sahara. Oh Oded , you done did it now !!!!
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  27. eah says:

    Yawn — another plank in the platform of the Lügenpressepartei.

    Citing data from government studies, Sarrazin typically emphasizes issues like educational attainment, criminality, dependence on government benefits — here he extends that somewhat to depict the general backwardness of Islam as a threat, given their rising numbers and therefore growing political/voting influence.

    2014 (before the Flüchtingswelle; no doubt still accurate today) — Bildung erreicht nicht alle — Junge Türken sind nahezu abgehängt

    Deutschtürken sind nach wie vor die Verlierer in der deutschen Bildungslandschaft. Das offenbart der neue Bildungsbericht. Danach bleiben 60 Prozent der türkischstämmigen Frauen und fast die Hälfte der Männer ohne Schulabschluss…Der Bildungsforscher Martin Baethge vom Soziologischen Forschungsinstitut Göttingen sprach gegenüber Journalisten von einer “unglaublichen Zahl”, die sich seit dem ersten Bildungsbericht 2006 kaum geändert habe.

    In Germany more than half the women and about half the men of Turkish origin fail to achieve the equivalent of graduating from high school — little change in the numbers since 2006.

    All the recent Flüchtlinge will clearly be on average below this already low level — and now their family members are being allowed to come.

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  28. @DFH
    So which part of the book does the FT reviewer actually disagree with factually?

    None really, because he can’t. The most he can do is the tired rejoinder:

    “While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.”

    “Corrupt” elites are only corrupt by Western standards. By local standards, they are doing exactly what elites are supposed to do.

    The “legacy of colonialism”, ah yes, that all-purpose white guilt accelerant. You know, the legacy of that couple of decades of French and British administrative innovations in the Levant and Suez. By contrast, the five centuries of comprehensive Muslim Turkish domination under the Ottomans is of no consequence whatsoever, how dare you even think such a thing. Likewise, the thousands of years of bloody history in the region with or without colonialism or Westerners should be of no significance.

    “Military intervention”. Well, here he has a semi-hemi-demi-kind-of-a-point. Most recent Western military intervention has been at best unnecessary and pointless, such as Syria and Libya. Yet the real damage hasn’t been so much the Western military interventions themselves, whose casualties have been minor by local standards, but the social re-engnineering attempts that follow in train and include financial and logistical support for dire forces in the local countries, and the moral and administrative enabling of mass refugee movements that improve neither the refugees nor the the destination countries. Of course, the leftist presstitutes cheer this on, so they can’t complain too loudly about the military interventions that helped create their new hobby, or they can only complain in a sort of crocodile tear schadenfreude way.

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    The “legacy of colonialism”, ah yes, that all-purpose white guilt accelerant. You know, the legacy of that couple of decades of French and British administrative innovations in the Levant and Suez.
     
    Don't forget the infrastructure improvements.

    Algiers is sometimes known as, "Algiers the White."

    This is due to all the beautiful white buildings those evil Frenchies built downtown.

    These days it would be more accurate to say, "Algiers the Beige."
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  29. GentleEu says:
    @LondonBob
    Thing is Thilo would be more accurate if he said that MENA's issues are low IQ and high level of ethnocentricism, and of course the whole Israeli Oded Yinon plan to destabilise the whole region. More PC to blame Islam though.

    Islam encourages cousin marriage, which is also correlated with low IQ and high levels of ethnocentrism.

    Also islam is the product of people with low IQ and high levels of ethnocentrism, so its teachings reflect this.

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  30. @GentleEu
    Sarrazin is completely right. Germany has already experienced mass rapes, violence, terrorism, intimidation, harassing, even stoning at the hands of muslim immigrants. The UK is infested by bands of muslim pedophiles abusing British girls, and has also experienced terrorism, violence and fear at the hands of muslims.

    Ditto for Sweden, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Denmark. Everywhere in Europe where muslim immigrants are allowed to settle violence, sexual assaults, rapes, terrorism, intimidation follow.

    And if you look at any muslim-majority country you'll see statistics that will point out high illiteracy, tolerance for rape and child rape, inbreeding, violence, wars and civil wars, draconian punishments, segregation of women, widespread corruption, and low levels of innovation, creativity, and progress.

    Islam is a religion which encourages rape, incest, child marriage and child sexual abuse, violence and hatred towards the unbelievers, because that's what Mohammed did: raping slaves and prisoners of war, marrying and having sex with a pre-pubescent child, killing his enemies and critics, treating non-muslims as second class citizens at best.

    You don't need to be a "muslim scholar" to know that. You just need to listen to what "muslim scholars" ACTUALLY say. They're promoting violence, rape, child marriage, slavery, muslim supremacy, incest and inbreeding.

    Islam is simply the religion which is shaped and has been shaped by the highly tribal, violent, inbred populations of North Africa, the Middle East and South-East Asia.

    What's even worse is that those nations have reproductions patterns that reward the dumber, most tribal, "fundamentalist" part of islam. Oil-rich nations are governed by inbred dynasties that spread the dumbest, most tribal, most violent islamic teachings. North Africa and the Middle East are shitholes, and so is South-East Asia.

    Even Anatolian muslims, Turkic muslims, Balkan muslims and Caucasus muslims, who are less inbred and tribal than Arabs, Indonesians or Afghans, or Pakistanis, are still lagging far behind western Europeans, and going steadily backwards, taking their countries down with them.

    Anyone who's not blinded by globalism can see this, and can understand why bringing tens of thousands of North African/Middle Eastern/Pakistani/Indonesian/Afghan muslims in an European nation would spell disaster.

    If the European leaders were actually protecting their citizens, and not the interests of the multinational corporations and the globalist agenda, they'd have all agreed to close their borders, sink the immigrant ships, and do all they could to create a system where only highly selected immigrants, preferably non-muslims, would have been allowed in.

    Even better: they wouldn't have wrecked the authoritarian regimes in North Africa and the Middle East that provide any sort of semblance of stability to the areas, and instead they would have stricken and kept deals about propping up the strongmen in exchange for no mass immigration.

    Instead Merkel, Sarkozy, Hollande, Verhofstadt, Juncker, and all the other European globalist leaders, with the help of globalist American leaders, have taken down Gaddafi, promoted islamist insurrections, tried to take down Assad, etc, creating power vacuums that have allowed the unwashed masses to seep through, then offered the same unwashed mass refuge in Europe.

    Globalists are traitors. People in Europe need to wake up to this fact, elected nativist leaders, put a stop to immigration by any means necessary, and round up and expel the muslim immigrants, along with all other immigrants, especially illegals and troublemakers. The sooner the better. The safety of Europeans should come first for European leaders.

    There are some encouraging signals from Hungary, Poland, Italy. There's a rise of populism and nativism pretty much everywhere. The globalists are doing whatever they can to fight back, though, hence this article in the Financial Times.

    DEAR ISLAMISTS:
    GentleEu HATES YOU. BEHEAD HIM FIRST.
    Allah’s (formerly Jesus’) most devout servant,
    Redneck Farmer

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  31. Gordo says:
    @Anonymous
    'Germany needs this book like it needs an outbreak of Ebola'.

    -Well, there's only one possible way an outbreak of Ebola could possibly occur on German soil......

    Well the Marburg outbreak came from experiments on monkeys in, em, Marburg.

    But yes I know exactly what you mean.

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  32. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    “He knows no Arabic.”

    Drop the mike. Touché.

    Amazing that he’s allowed to publish a book.

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  33. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    A few points seem worth mentioning here:

    1) The vast majority of peaceful protesters there weren't neo-Nazis.

    2) The presence of neo-Nazis and LARPers is unhelpful to the right, here as well as there. One of the points an AfD pol made to the FT a while back when they had a not-entirely-biased profile on the party was resentment about a focus on the Nazi period to the exclusion of centuries of history prior to it.

    3) Germany shouldn't be a metaphorical munitions dump -- it's a highly advanced, prosperous European country. That it is one is the fault of Merkel, and the millions of backward, intolerant men she invited into her country.

    Whether or not there were any actual Nazis there is irrelevant to the likes of Mr. Chazan. If someone disagrees with him, they are a Nazi.

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  34. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.

    If being colonized by a European power is so terrible, then why do European nations that were once colonized by other Europeans never seem to suffer any lasting ill effects?

    Ireland was a colony of the British Empire longer than anywhere else, yet is now as developed as the UK.

    Finland was part of the Swedish Empire for 600 years, then part of the Russian Empire for another century after that, but today is a nation most people on this planet would do anything to emigrate to.

    Don’t even get me started about Poland.

    Non-white Singapore recovered from colonialism pretty damn quick.

    The list goes on, but I read about the legacy of colonialism about once a month, even when I’m trying not to do so.

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    Taiwan and South Korea are also former colonies in Asia which have done pretty well
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  35. Jake says:

    Jews as a group are so totally screwed up from their rebellion against Christ that they are the original people who demand to rule the world, and will commit any and all dirty deeds to get that job done, while simultaneously being suicidal. The widespread Jewish demand to fill the West with Mohammedans is fairly easy to discern proof of the latter half.

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    It seems cuck pope Frannie has been working with the Jews to flood Europe with Muslims. In the good old pre-Vatican II era, the pope would state that Islam is a Christian heresy. Remember when Frannie sucked the toe of some black Muslim immigrant on Holy Thursday?

    And now, Frannie is dealing with the homosexual priests. Jews had nothing to do with any of this.
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  36. Jason Liu says:

    This attack on Islam is really unnecessary and just red meat for angry low brow dudes. Would any of you care what Islam is or isn’t if it didn’t exist in your country? So who let so many of them in?

    Domestic leftists are the real problem for nationalists, Thilo should train his guns on them.

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    Too late. Muslims are in our countries. And domestic Leftists do not breed at the rate Muslims do. They are a single generation problem. Not so Muslims. That gets worse, generation by generation.
    , @Nadir
    What a confused comment.

    "Would any of you care what Islam is or isn’t if it didn’t exist in your country?"

    Except it DOES exist in Western countries...so yes, we care.

    "Domestic leftists are the real problem for nationalists, Thilo should train his guns on them."

    The existence of Problem A does not preclude the existence of Problem B. More specifically, the Leftist Problem does not preclude the Islamization Problem. They both exist.
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  37. @Anonymous
    I would love to read Sarrazin's books.

    Why haven't they be translated into English?

    I'm sure that there is a profitable market for them.

    Why wasn’t “200 Years Together”?

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  38. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    The BBC has an article up written by a millennial about the lasting effects of the Great Recession(link here)

    The first consequence it addresses(but not in depth) was the resulting baby bust. It claims that in the last decade, 4.8 million fewer babies were born in the US than demographers had been expecting.

    This seems intuitively obvious. Fewer economic opportunities makes is harder to form families. Has anyone on here ever come across any research about whether this effects people of different IQ levels differently. For example, do stupid women see their fertility-levels decline less than middle and high IQ women when the economy tanks?

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    The Bush Bubble seemed to spike fertility among stupid people. The opening scene of "Idiocracy" appears to have been quite accurate. In 2006, the number of births among white married women fell but grew 10% among Hispanic single women.

    The post 2008 baby bust has tended to come among single women and Hispanic women more than among married white women.

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The "baby bust" Is turning out to be a positive thing. It's actually every race's fertility declining. Whites has declined too, but hispanic and black and native American has declined more.

    It's why white births are still above 50%.
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  39. “In the Koran, Sarrazin sees only “intolerance, violence, hatred for infidels, backwardness and the oppression of women…”

    Intolerance, violence and hatred — Sarrazin is currently experiencing all of these from his enlightened, tolerance-worshiping, anti-fascist critics in the form of death threats, vandalism of his house, harassment of his wife, etc.

    The American occupational forces, post-WWII did a great job of training the new ruling class of Germans in the reflexive use of “neo-Nazi” and “Fascist” to denounce anyone slightly to the right-of-center who dares to express an opinion not officially sanctioned. Then, of course, the likes of Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, and Erich Fromm spent lots of time in the U.S. disseminating the anti-Fascist gospel through our prestigious universities which are now fully-accredited Schools of Anti-Fascist Theology focused exclusively on the discovery of recondite manifestations of racism.

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    Chapeau, You sir are totally aware of the circumstances which led up to the current situation plus The "Frankfurter Schule" having been the catalyst for the transformation of the US edumacation system into a marxist indoctrination activity.

    Add to this the fact that Germany is the most neurotic, confused nation on planet earth and then we have the recipe for chaos and mayhem such now as being experienced.

    And then add to this malaise the phenomena of the omnipresent German "Besserwisserei", German know-it-all-ism : Germans, of course with exeception, are basically right about everything, and are manically inclined to authority worship : Germans worship Politicians , clergy, journalists, medicos, judges, "artists" and all things "Links" ( leftist) etc.

    They hate DT, among other things because he is not a bonafide "Politician".

    They are unable to comprehend the tyrannical philosophical implications behind their police-state residence registration law : "Meldepflicht", and they erect monuments to such illustrious characters as : Karl Marx.

    Whew just reflecting upon their crazyness wears me out.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  40. @GentleEu
    Sarrazin is completely right. Germany has already experienced mass rapes, violence, terrorism, intimidation, harassing, even stoning at the hands of muslim immigrants. The UK is infested by bands of muslim pedophiles abusing British girls, and has also experienced terrorism, violence and fear at the hands of muslims.

    Ditto for Sweden, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Denmark. Everywhere in Europe where muslim immigrants are allowed to settle violence, sexual assaults, rapes, terrorism, intimidation follow.

    And if you look at any muslim-majority country you'll see statistics that will point out high illiteracy, tolerance for rape and child rape, inbreeding, violence, wars and civil wars, draconian punishments, segregation of women, widespread corruption, and low levels of innovation, creativity, and progress.

    Islam is a religion which encourages rape, incest, child marriage and child sexual abuse, violence and hatred towards the unbelievers, because that's what Mohammed did: raping slaves and prisoners of war, marrying and having sex with a pre-pubescent child, killing his enemies and critics, treating non-muslims as second class citizens at best.

    You don't need to be a "muslim scholar" to know that. You just need to listen to what "muslim scholars" ACTUALLY say. They're promoting violence, rape, child marriage, slavery, muslim supremacy, incest and inbreeding.

    Islam is simply the religion which is shaped and has been shaped by the highly tribal, violent, inbred populations of North Africa, the Middle East and South-East Asia.

    What's even worse is that those nations have reproductions patterns that reward the dumber, most tribal, "fundamentalist" part of islam. Oil-rich nations are governed by inbred dynasties that spread the dumbest, most tribal, most violent islamic teachings. North Africa and the Middle East are shitholes, and so is South-East Asia.

    Even Anatolian muslims, Turkic muslims, Balkan muslims and Caucasus muslims, who are less inbred and tribal than Arabs, Indonesians or Afghans, or Pakistanis, are still lagging far behind western Europeans, and going steadily backwards, taking their countries down with them.

    Anyone who's not blinded by globalism can see this, and can understand why bringing tens of thousands of North African/Middle Eastern/Pakistani/Indonesian/Afghan muslims in an European nation would spell disaster.

    If the European leaders were actually protecting their citizens, and not the interests of the multinational corporations and the globalist agenda, they'd have all agreed to close their borders, sink the immigrant ships, and do all they could to create a system where only highly selected immigrants, preferably non-muslims, would have been allowed in.

    Even better: they wouldn't have wrecked the authoritarian regimes in North Africa and the Middle East that provide any sort of semblance of stability to the areas, and instead they would have stricken and kept deals about propping up the strongmen in exchange for no mass immigration.

    Instead Merkel, Sarkozy, Hollande, Verhofstadt, Juncker, and all the other European globalist leaders, with the help of globalist American leaders, have taken down Gaddafi, promoted islamist insurrections, tried to take down Assad, etc, creating power vacuums that have allowed the unwashed masses to seep through, then offered the same unwashed mass refuge in Europe.

    Globalists are traitors. People in Europe need to wake up to this fact, elected nativist leaders, put a stop to immigration by any means necessary, and round up and expel the muslim immigrants, along with all other immigrants, especially illegals and troublemakers. The sooner the better. The safety of Europeans should come first for European leaders.

    There are some encouraging signals from Hungary, Poland, Italy. There's a rise of populism and nativism pretty much everywhere. The globalists are doing whatever they can to fight back, though, hence this article in the Financial Times.

    This guy gets it.

    Unlike my hopelessly blue-pilled normie neighbor, who, “…just doesn’t get why the Middle East isn’t an industrial powerhouse…”

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    Well no he really doesn't get it. Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?

    Islam might have dysgenic components to it that create a feedback loop that make bad populations or make them worse, but if you removed Islam these places and populations would still be terrible.

    Thilo Sarrazin should have stuck to the theme of what his first book was about which was things like IQ and other quantifiable measurements rather than getting bogged down in all of this garbage about theology.
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  41. @Anonymous
    The BBC has an article up written by a millennial about the lasting effects of the Great Recession(link here)

    The first consequence it addresses(but not in depth) was the resulting baby bust. It claims that in the last decade, 4.8 million fewer babies were born in the US than demographers had been expecting.

    This seems intuitively obvious. Fewer economic opportunities makes is harder to form families. Has anyone on here ever come across any research about whether this effects people of different IQ levels differently. For example, do stupid women see their fertility-levels decline less than middle and high IQ women when the economy tanks?

    The Bush Bubble seemed to spike fertility among stupid people. The opening scene of “Idiocracy” appears to have been quite accurate. In 2006, the number of births among white married women fell but grew 10% among Hispanic single women.

    The post 2008 baby bust has tended to come among single women and Hispanic women more than among married white women.

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    "Single Hispanic women are stupid. Married white women are not stupid."


    -Steve Sailer

    You can't make this stuff up. This is why we can't have nice things. Way to prove JPod right... again.
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  42. Arclight says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Islamic societies are described as backward, undemocratic, plagued by war and marked by a lack of intellectual curiosity.
     
    Whereas Islamic societies are actually advanced, democratic, peaceful and marked by a surfeit of intellectual curiosity.

    Is that the politically correct line? Or is it to admit that Tharazin is right but it is actually our fault?

    Probably safer to pretend that Islamic societies are both amazing and that we are responsible for everything bad in them.


    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.
     
    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don't want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.

    I suspect that they suspect they might not be up to achieving as much economically and technologically either so they're particularly shy of following down our path.

    Was going to say the same thing about how backwards Islamic societies are – the cult of multiculturalism has been fairly successful at implanting the idea that there are no inferior cultures, particularly if they are non-European in origin. Any area in which they come up short compared to Western civilization is the fault of colonialism, not what practices and values they adhere to. Thus, massive numbers of Islamic immigrants to European countries isn’t a problem because they are basically aspiring Europeans, not people whose culture is largely at odds with their new host country’s.

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    Islam has a glommification mechanism (of which the conversion of indivuals is pnly a small part). Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful. In Islam, things are declared to "be Islamic," or to have been made by the Muslims of its day, in something like a demonic offspring of copyright law and the European integrating Mediterranean achievements. Like an inverse of the Commies insisting that "real communism" is unblemished by governments cleverly calling themselves Socialist, Musims in a totally serious way claim all "pre-Muslim" achievements as their own, on the grounds that Islam always existed. This sounds crazy, but if you hold it in your head while observing Muslim complacency, things will make more sense.
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  43. Anon7 says:

    OT, but relevant to this post. This commentary on Brexit takes just ten minutes to listen to, but it might be the most civilized and rational ten minutes of your day.

    Thanks, Mr. Connell

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    This made my day! Thanks, Anon7. Mr. Connell is going to become a new internet star - rocking the plaid shirt and all. I was wondering what real people in Britain were feeling - we get no dissenting news in the states about the opinions of Brexiteers.
    , @sidproquo
    Wow...substitue "Donald Trump" for "Brexit" and he speaks truth to those of us in America who feel the same way about the last election and the incessant tantrums of those on the left. Thank you, sir! I am encouraged that there may be some hope after all, albeit, not without a fight.
    , @Dale
    Great video- eloquent and hits all the main points HARD. The City of London is the big snag- they helped engineer the EU/euro, and are about to become slightly marginalized. A hard Brexit, with simple rules and low tariffs for imports and even lower export duties, coupled with total immigration control, is the only palatable solution that will work. The Left will squawk and the wealthy will spew fear in every newscast, and then nothing bad will happen because free trade and decentralization of power makes the smaller power more capable. Singapore is an island but is a financial world power, and Hong Kong has made China increasingly wealthy over the last 19 years.
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  44. Whiskey says: • Website

    The FT reported yesterday that Merkel is edging close to military intervention in Syria. Apparently her solution to the domestic unrest is more Rapefugees in Germany.

    Also the EU censured Hungary for being mean to Soros, and is also moving close to kicking Hungary out of the EU or even using “force” to remove the Orban government. Presumably force = a nasty letter from Jean-Claude Juncker. Or maybe even Jean-Claude Van Damme.

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    The FT reported yesterday that Merkel is edging close to military intervention in Syria.

    It won't happen -- her coalition partner the SPD is against it.

    Besides, the Bundeswehr is weak and not really capable of engaging in hostilities:

    „Die Luftwaffe befindet sich an einem Tiefpunkt“

    Less than 30% of their combat aircraft are airworthy.

    Maybe you missed it: recently the Bundeswehr had a transsexual at a recruiting event -- a paunchy male wearing a dress and heels.

    http://www.pi-news.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ganz_deutschland-696x404.jpg

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  45. Dtbb says:

    What kind of name is Sarrazin? Sounds like a member of a central asian horde.

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    "What kind of name is Sarrazin? Sounds like a member of a central asian horde."

    According to his wiki page, it's a derivation of "Saracen", indicating that he himself has Muslims on the paternal side of his family tree.
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  46. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I would love to read Sarrazin's books.

    Why haven't they be translated into English?

    I'm sure that there is a profitable market for them.

    “Why haven’t they be translated into English?”

    This was exhaustively hashed over in a recent comment thread here. GIYF.

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  47. AndrewR says:
    @GentleEu
    Sarrazin is completely right. Germany has already experienced mass rapes, violence, terrorism, intimidation, harassing, even stoning at the hands of muslim immigrants. The UK is infested by bands of muslim pedophiles abusing British girls, and has also experienced terrorism, violence and fear at the hands of muslims.

    Ditto for Sweden, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Denmark. Everywhere in Europe where muslim immigrants are allowed to settle violence, sexual assaults, rapes, terrorism, intimidation follow.

    And if you look at any muslim-majority country you'll see statistics that will point out high illiteracy, tolerance for rape and child rape, inbreeding, violence, wars and civil wars, draconian punishments, segregation of women, widespread corruption, and low levels of innovation, creativity, and progress.

    Islam is a religion which encourages rape, incest, child marriage and child sexual abuse, violence and hatred towards the unbelievers, because that's what Mohammed did: raping slaves and prisoners of war, marrying and having sex with a pre-pubescent child, killing his enemies and critics, treating non-muslims as second class citizens at best.

    You don't need to be a "muslim scholar" to know that. You just need to listen to what "muslim scholars" ACTUALLY say. They're promoting violence, rape, child marriage, slavery, muslim supremacy, incest and inbreeding.

    Islam is simply the religion which is shaped and has been shaped by the highly tribal, violent, inbred populations of North Africa, the Middle East and South-East Asia.

    What's even worse is that those nations have reproductions patterns that reward the dumber, most tribal, "fundamentalist" part of islam. Oil-rich nations are governed by inbred dynasties that spread the dumbest, most tribal, most violent islamic teachings. North Africa and the Middle East are shitholes, and so is South-East Asia.

    Even Anatolian muslims, Turkic muslims, Balkan muslims and Caucasus muslims, who are less inbred and tribal than Arabs, Indonesians or Afghans, or Pakistanis, are still lagging far behind western Europeans, and going steadily backwards, taking their countries down with them.

    Anyone who's not blinded by globalism can see this, and can understand why bringing tens of thousands of North African/Middle Eastern/Pakistani/Indonesian/Afghan muslims in an European nation would spell disaster.

    If the European leaders were actually protecting their citizens, and not the interests of the multinational corporations and the globalist agenda, they'd have all agreed to close their borders, sink the immigrant ships, and do all they could to create a system where only highly selected immigrants, preferably non-muslims, would have been allowed in.

    Even better: they wouldn't have wrecked the authoritarian regimes in North Africa and the Middle East that provide any sort of semblance of stability to the areas, and instead they would have stricken and kept deals about propping up the strongmen in exchange for no mass immigration.

    Instead Merkel, Sarkozy, Hollande, Verhofstadt, Juncker, and all the other European globalist leaders, with the help of globalist American leaders, have taken down Gaddafi, promoted islamist insurrections, tried to take down Assad, etc, creating power vacuums that have allowed the unwashed masses to seep through, then offered the same unwashed mass refuge in Europe.

    Globalists are traitors. People in Europe need to wake up to this fact, elected nativist leaders, put a stop to immigration by any means necessary, and round up and expel the muslim immigrants, along with all other immigrants, especially illegals and troublemakers. The sooner the better. The safety of Europeans should come first for European leaders.

    There are some encouraging signals from Hungary, Poland, Italy. There's a rise of populism and nativism pretty much everywhere. The globalists are doing whatever they can to fight back, though, hence this article in the Financial Times.

    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say “sink the ships,” the natural interpretation is to think you mean “…in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants.”

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn’t imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

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    They’re no more “innocent” than burglars or members of an invading army.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Resisting invaders, even with deadly force, is fully justified, although one could probably get the same results with a "tow back, expel on shore, then scuttle the ship" policy. As Jean Raspail noted in The Camp of the Saints, their very helplessness weaponizes them against us.

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown. Europeans and North Americans need to develop the same attitude towards the welfare of African and Arab invaders that those Tunisians showed.

    And I really don't care what you find sickening. If you love these people so much, go and live with them!
    , @Anonymous
    Are they, in fact, 'innocent'?

    Aren't they possessed of agency, in the legal jargon 'mens rea' and 'actus reus'.
    Aren't their acts clearly and obviously hostile attempts to usurp the nation of another people?
    Aren't they nasty little bullies - cynically trying - and succeeding - into 'moral blackmailing' the foolish naive and gullible into giving in to their criminality?

    Weren't the thousands upon thousands of drafted, enlisted servicemen, on all sides, blasted out of the oceans in the world's wars 'innocent'?

    How have blatant, obvious, hostile invasions been treated throughout the ages before the present soft headed age?

    If the Amerindians had the means and organization to 'blast out of the water' the 'innocent' European colonists of their native home, don't you think that they would still have undisputed possession of it?
    , @Nadir
    I agree with you that it is preferable to scuttle the ships (or even destroy the ports) in their countries of origin, and that harsh language which scares the normies is not helpful. However, here's where we disagree:

    "But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?...Sickening."

    As another poster has already noted, they are no more innocent than an invading army. They are coming to Europe to enjoy a lifestyle that they are unable to build for themselves, undercut European wages and drain the social welfare system. On top of that, many of them are carriers of Islam, which seeks to destroy Europe outright. I also object to the anodyne term "migrants" - they are invaders, parasites, bums, etc. Finally, there is the "no good reason" part. I think every people has the absolute right to defend itself and its civilization - let's both hope that the West gets its act together and does this in the most humane way possible.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    "But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?"

    What "innocent migrants"?
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  48. @Anonymous
    I would love to read Sarrazin's books.

    Why haven't they be translated into English?

    I'm sure that there is a profitable market for them.

    No major in English publisher would market it. The only way it could be done would be to have it translated and marketed by small independent publishers as have been done with so many books. Since David Irving has been boycotted by the major publishing houses over the past 25 years or so, he has been able to get his books out by self-publishing and offering them on the internet. If Mr. Sarazan would be agreeable to this it could be done.

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  49. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "In the Koran, Sarrazin sees only “intolerance, violence, hatred for infidels, backwardness and the oppression of women...”

    Intolerance, violence and hatred -- Sarrazin is currently experiencing all of these from his enlightened, tolerance-worshiping, anti-fascist critics in the form of death threats, vandalism of his house, harassment of his wife, etc.

    The American occupational forces, post-WWII did a great job of training the new ruling class of Germans in the reflexive use of "neo-Nazi" and "Fascist" to denounce anyone slightly to the right-of-center who dares to express an opinion not officially sanctioned. Then, of course, the likes of Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, and Erich Fromm spent lots of time in the U.S. disseminating the anti-Fascist gospel through our prestigious universities which are now fully-accredited Schools of Anti-Fascist Theology focused exclusively on the discovery of recondite manifestations of racism.

    Chapeau, You sir are totally aware of the circumstances which led up to the current situation plus The “Frankfurter Schule” having been the catalyst for the transformation of the US edumacation system into a marxist indoctrination activity.

    Add to this the fact that Germany is the most neurotic, confused nation on planet earth and then we have the recipe for chaos and mayhem such now as being experienced.

    And then add to this malaise the phenomena of the omnipresent German “Besserwisserei”, German know-it-all-ism : Germans, of course with exeception, are basically right about everything, and are manically inclined to authority worship : Germans worship Politicians , clergy, journalists, medicos, judges, “artists” and all things “Links” ( leftist) etc.

    They hate DT, among other things because he is not a bonafide “Politician”.

    They are unable to comprehend the tyrannical philosophical implications behind their police-state residence registration law : “Meldepflicht”, and they erect monuments to such illustrious characters as : Karl Marx.

    Whew just reflecting upon their crazyness wears me out.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    Add to this the fact that Germany is the most neurotic, confused nation on planet earth and then we have the recipe for chaos and mayhem such now as being experienced.
     
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trump-going-neocon-in-syria/
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/regime-change-american-style/
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  50. AndrewR says:
    @Sam
    Colin Quinn said it best in his standup show Long Story Short:

    “We go, ‘That’s different — everybody wants democracy,’ ” he says. “No, they don’t. They wanted democracy in 1960, yeah, when it was the Beach Boys, the Mickey Mouse Club, Jack Lemmon driving the Ford convertible. Now democracy is Lil Wayne and ‘Girls Gone Wild.’ Not everybody wants that in their culture.”
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X97OEYFZos4

    It is very interesting to wonder how Islamic fundamentalism would have developed without the sexual revolution and if there was any revulsion on the part of middle of the road Middle Easterners. On the other hand Sayyid Qutb's famous visit to the US that so disgusted him came in the late 40's. Another argument is that the demographic change steadily favoured the more reactionary sorts.
    Still I can't imagine that the sexual revolution didn't have some effect plus the general sense in the 70's that America was coming apart in the seams. An issue worth studying.

    Qutb:

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body’s seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.

    It’s rather clear that the “sexual revolution” can be seen as a fire set by a lit match of widespread access to antibiotics, contraceptive pills, divorce and abortion. But, as Qutb eloquently described, American society was already a pile of wood doused in gasoline before the match was lit. Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today’s young women.

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    Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today’s young women.
     
    Just because you are the product of at least two generations of sluts (or was it for pay?) does not mean the rest of use were the issue of illicit relationships. As usual, you are wrong. Your skewed perspective is disgusting, and your assumption that your ancestors were representative of the people that actually pioneered, explored and built this country says much about you, but nothing about them.
    , @L Woods
    Indeed. And this is why I won't be altogether sorry to witness the remnant of Anglo-America's demise -- in many of its cultural attitudes (including and especially towards women), it is fatally, fundamentally flawed.
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  51. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Bush Bubble seemed to spike fertility among stupid people. The opening scene of "Idiocracy" appears to have been quite accurate. In 2006, the number of births among white married women fell but grew 10% among Hispanic single women.

    The post 2008 baby bust has tended to come among single women and Hispanic women more than among married white women.

    “Single Hispanic women are stupid. Married white women are not stupid.”

    -Steve Sailer

    You can’t make this stuff up. This is why we can’t have nice things. Way to prove JPod right… again.

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    When you put words in somebody's mouth you're supposed to not end up with them sounding perfectly logical. Yes, a pregnant woman who snags a man to help with the crawling mess maker is absolutely smarter than one who is going it alone, and is also not guaranteed but implied to also have other qualifications, like planning ability, family connections and education.
    , @Dale
    I think Steve should append “with children” to make this more accurate. Women stupid enough to get pregnant without making certain their mate is stable and will marry her are SLIGHTLY less common among Anglo females. Ergo, they are smarter than the immigrant that gets pregnant without a husband.
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  52. dearieme says:

    “Sarrazin … read the Koran in German translation.” I doff my cap: I tried to read it in English decades ago and found it unreadable. “Pah!” said a friend “that’s because it’s poetry, meant to be declaimed beside the camp fire.”

    No, that’s not why. Partly, it’s true, the problem was that I had naively expected some kind of narrative, something like chunks of the OT or NT. But mainly it’s because the thing is incoherent. Apparently whoever assembled it had bits and bobs of old writing and old tales, and had no idea which order things were meant to come in. So he adopted the organising principle of (roughly speaking) starting the book with the big passages he had available, and then using passages of decreasing size as he progressed. And even that is not the half of it.

    Never mind what sequence the passages ought to have been put in, just ask what they even mean. Some are entirely inscrutable. This is what led to someone proposing that they were originally written/spoken not in Classical Arabic but in Syriac. On that theory the Koran is simply a mistranslation, and consequently a misunderstanding, of the original material. I’ve no idea whether the chap is right but I can see that some explanation is required of the book’s, ahem, oddity.

    Never mind; some parts of it are pretty clear. And from them one can readily infer that the Holy City wasn’t Mecca. Petra, maybe, but not Mecca.

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  53. houellebecq says: • Website

    Jordan B. Peterson argues with Sam Harris that, following Dawkins, memes (culture) co-evolve with genes, to select that which is “correct ( under a pragmatic philosophical metric). Hence “Judeo-Christianity” was true for Western Civilization at one time, coupled with organic cultural linguistic community networks. But orthodox Christendom became no longer pragmatic and “hindered progress” and this coincided with European wars and the decline of ethno-statism. Generalized misery and nihilism followed with consequent biological decline i.e. below replacement level birth rates. The elite solution to this is the importation of a more virile and fertile sub species to graft onto the existing effete stock in decline. Yes this like Christianity before it “hinders progress”. But doesn’t this argue that ‘Progress’ itself is no longer true and pragmatic? Or from an HBD perspective, the European gene-mem dyad is dysgenic ; a competition with its neighboring Islamic dyad possibly beneficial? If so we should see a correction to the European dyad , not with the return of a long dead and empty euro-Christianity, rather some synergistic interaction with Islam producing a new hybrid ‘truth’.

    But the birth a new Europe will be as violent as a caesarian, not through the civil war of an aged dying boomer protest, rather expect the silent scream of an entire generation as they are pushed into the loving arms of a new, expanded Euthanasia hospices complex. Of course the Muslims will be exempt- their dyad requires care of the aged in multi-generation household. Here too they hinder progress.

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  54. El Dato says:

    Statues of Nazi-saluting wolves appear in Chemnitz, Germany amid far-right & counter demos

    Under the eyes of Chemnitz’s Karl Marx statue, the sight of snarling bronze wolves with their right paws outstretched seems out of place. However, the artist behind the work hopes it will spark a “discussion” in German politics.

    Titled “the wolves are back?,” the installation features ten bronze statues of aggressive-looking wolves, many with their right paws outstretched as if they are doing a Hitler salute. Others, meanwhile, are blindfolded.

    They look more like Wiley Coyote, but did the artist purposefully put the wolfes under the watchful eye of the angry end-timer prophet?

    One woman talking to Ruptly said the use of wolves has left “a strong impression” on everyone.

    “Not just the extreme right but the extreme left, for example. I think this is against hate in general, against violence. You cannot find peace with violence.”

    Jin-Roh. the fascist Wolf Brigade, soon?

    (warning: Otomo levels of Blood & Gore)

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  55. hmmm says:

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month

    Are the residents of Chemnitz currently cowering in fear at the prospect of another neo-Nazi rampage?

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  56. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”

    What they really need is an outbreak of Evola. Good and hard.

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    :'-(
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  57. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Silva
    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

    If English was good enough for St. Paul, it’s good enough for me.

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  58. @Anonymous
    I would love to read Sarrazin's books.

    Why haven't they be translated into English?

    I'm sure that there is a profitable market for them.

    Give me the French version and ill translate from French to English. I’ll post it on some pirate site or something.

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  59. @Anonymous
    The BBC has an article up written by a millennial about the lasting effects of the Great Recession(link here)

    The first consequence it addresses(but not in depth) was the resulting baby bust. It claims that in the last decade, 4.8 million fewer babies were born in the US than demographers had been expecting.

    This seems intuitively obvious. Fewer economic opportunities makes is harder to form families. Has anyone on here ever come across any research about whether this effects people of different IQ levels differently. For example, do stupid women see their fertility-levels decline less than middle and high IQ women when the economy tanks?

    The “baby bust” Is turning out to be a positive thing. It’s actually every race’s fertility declining. Whites has declined too, but hispanic and black and native American has declined more.

    It’s why white births are still above 50%.

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  60. Ibound1 says:

    The cult of the “expert” will be the death of the West.

    You cannot opine on Islam unless you have a degree in Islamic studies from an approved university (which thinks the “right” way), no matter how many times you excuse terror and rape. You cannot opine on securitizing mortgages of overpriced homes, unless you are a financier working for Goldman Sachs, no matter how many billions you have cost the US Treasury. You cannot opine on illegal immigration and wages unless you are an economist working for a think tank showing that immigration is good for the economy, no matter how flat wages are actually over time.

    Who are you going to believe, the expert or your own eyes?
    This is, by the way, why they hate Trump so. He keeps proving them wrong. Remember according to Krugman we should be in a Depression right now.

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    "You cannot opine on Islam unless you have a degree in Islamic studies from an approved university...."

    Not true. Anyone who opines that Islam is a religion of peace (e.g. Obama, Bush, Pope Francis) ipso facto has the expertise to do so, to loud media acclaim.

    It is only those who wish to criticize Islam who must have a degree in Islamic....aw, who are we kidding? No one, but no one, ever has enough academic expertise to do that.

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  61. Ibound1 says:
    @Jason Liu
    This attack on Islam is really unnecessary and just red meat for angry low brow dudes. Would any of you care what Islam is or isn't if it didn't exist in your country? So who let so many of them in?

    Domestic leftists are the real problem for nationalists, Thilo should train his guns on them.

    Too late. Muslims are in our countries. And domestic Leftists do not breed at the rate Muslims do. They are a single generation problem. Not so Muslims. That gets worse, generation by generation.

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  62. Saxon says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    This guy gets it.

    Unlike my hopelessly blue-pilled normie neighbor, who, "...just doesn't get why the Middle East isn't an industrial powerhouse..."

    Well no he really doesn’t get it. Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?

    Islam might have dysgenic components to it that create a feedback loop that make bad populations or make them worse, but if you removed Islam these places and populations would still be terrible.

    Thilo Sarrazin should have stuck to the theme of what his first book was about which was things like IQ and other quantifiable measurements rather than getting bogged down in all of this garbage about theology.

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    Yes he does.

    I don't disagree that the raw material in those parts of the world is of a lower standard regardless of religious ideology.

    However, Islam's built in drive to expand its domain by invading and subjugating, converting, or killing the infidel is a trait unique to Islam that has made those regions and their people much worse than they would be otherwise.

    The push for cosanguinuity is another of these traits. The unquestioning acceptance of Islamic doctrine from the Quran and imams is another trait that further limits the human potential in these regions.
    , @HA
    "Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?"

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy -- you honestly think the people that developed these were "genetically dumb" in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    And yet, in the same millennium that those newly-Christianized Burgundians and Vandals transformed themselves into a culture far more advanced than the one they overran (yes, that kind of thing takes millennia), Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars. The Muslims were born on third base, culturally speaking, having inherited/conquered a mother lode of cultural riches (Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hittites, Greeks, Persians), and And you think all that's "just coincidental"? That doesn't say much for your IQ.

    As for mestizos and sub-saharan Africans, like I said, civilization is a process of centuries (and that's without the likes of initiative-sapping policies like Western aid, not to mention regularly siphoning off the best and brightest to be immigrant bedpan changers and cab drivers). Whether they make it to European levels of advancement remains to be seen, but I'd wager that a few centuries of Christianity does a bit more for a sub-Saharan's IQ than staying in the jungle and savannah, sponging off of Oxfam, or else, marrying his cousin and limiting himself to rote-learning Madrasas).

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  63. Mike1 says:

    The need to be a designated and trained authority figure in every field you have any opinion of is a new progressive game. In one recent “discussion” (me talking, my discussion partners screaming) one line repeated endlessly was “was it your research, did you do the studies?”.

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    “was it your research, did you do the studies?”

    This is actually anti-scientific. (Not that that's surprising.)
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  64. Jay says:

    ” He knows no Arabic and reads the Koran in the German translation. ”

    Someone needs to put this uppity dhimmi in his place.

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  65. Beckow says:

    …All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.

    That is an overstatement, there are fortunately quite a few that are not sliding. The problem is that for some reason only comprehensible to them, Western liberals side with the sliders, they seem to crave Islamic fundamentalism in all its forms, more the better. And anything black or brown.

    At some point the obsessive liberal ideology of ‘tolerance’ and ‘we are the world‘ slid into a form of mental disease, a nihilistic infantilism. Western problems are less the migrating hordes, and more the domestic meltdown among its pampered liberal elite classes. They are in a double-down, love-uber-alles mode that is destroying everything around them. And they like it. The hordes will come later and clean it up. There is only one solution for the liberal meltdown: can somebody send them out to do actual work?

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  66. @Almost Missouri
    None really, because he can't. The most he can do is the tired rejoinder:

    "While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes."
     
    "Corrupt" elites are only corrupt by Western standards. By local standards, they are doing exactly what elites are supposed to do.

    The "legacy of colonialism", ah yes, that all-purpose white guilt accelerant. You know, the legacy of that couple of decades of French and British administrative innovations in the Levant and Suez. By contrast, the five centuries of comprehensive Muslim Turkish domination under the Ottomans is of no consequence whatsoever, how dare you even think such a thing. Likewise, the thousands of years of bloody history in the region with or without colonialism or Westerners should be of no significance.

    "Military intervention". Well, here he has a semi-hemi-demi-kind-of-a-point. Most recent Western military intervention has been at best unnecessary and pointless, such as Syria and Libya. Yet the real damage hasn't been so much the Western military interventions themselves, whose casualties have been minor by local standards, but the social re-engnineering attempts that follow in train and include financial and logistical support for dire forces in the local countries, and the moral and administrative enabling of mass refugee movements that improve neither the refugees nor the the destination countries. Of course, the leftist presstitutes cheer this on, so they can't complain too loudly about the military interventions that helped create their new hobby, or they can only complain in a sort of crocodile tear schadenfreude way.

    The “legacy of colonialism”, ah yes, that all-purpose white guilt accelerant. You know, the legacy of that couple of decades of French and British administrative innovations in the Levant and Suez.

    Don’t forget the infrastructure improvements.

    Algiers is sometimes known as, “Algiers the White.”

    This is due to all the beautiful white buildings those evil Frenchies built downtown.

    These days it would be more accurate to say, “Algiers the Beige.”

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  67. @Saxon
    Well no he really doesn't get it. Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?

    Islam might have dysgenic components to it that create a feedback loop that make bad populations or make them worse, but if you removed Islam these places and populations would still be terrible.

    Thilo Sarrazin should have stuck to the theme of what his first book was about which was things like IQ and other quantifiable measurements rather than getting bogged down in all of this garbage about theology.

    Yes he does.

    I don’t disagree that the raw material in those parts of the world is of a lower standard regardless of religious ideology.

    However, Islam’s built in drive to expand its domain by invading and subjugating, converting, or killing the infidel is a trait unique to Islam that has made those regions and their people much worse than they would be otherwise.

    The push for cosanguinuity is another of these traits. The unquestioning acceptance of Islamic doctrine from the Quran and imams is another trait that further limits the human potential in these regions.

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  68. HA says:
    @Dtbb
    What kind of name is Sarrazin? Sounds like a member of a central asian horde.

    What kind of name is Sarrazin? Sounds like a member of a central asian horde.

    According to his wiki page, it’s a derivation of “Saracen”, indicating that he himself has Muslims on the paternal side of his family tree.

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    More likely, it is a family name derived from a nickname, which are generally very common, along with occupational names. Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor, or even being a normal looking brunet among a sea of blond heads. Think of the Black Irish, or the Black Prince, or any other woman with dark good looks or a tall, dark and handsome man. I understand that, in human being, men are generally darker than women and both are darker than infants, even without tanning. Maybe testosterone has something to do with the dark and handsome idea, and there's a study that associates darker pigmentation within the same group with higher aggression and sexual drive/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840
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  69. @Almost Missouri


    All, he says, are sliding inexorably towards fundamentalism.
     
    I do sort of think this last bit is our fault. Our extreme liberalism has put them off anything to do with us. They don’t want to celebrate their replacement, the chemical castration of their sons and the hollowing out of their society in the name of inclusion.
     
    I often say that liberals are half right, just not for the reasons they think they are. The things you describe not only put Muslims off from wanting to assimilate to the West, they put me and many other Westerners off wanting to assimilate to the modern West.

    Another underappreciated Western contribution to the recent fundamentalization of Islam is that up until about a century ago, most Muslims had never read the Koran. Besides that Korans were scarce, most Muslims were illiterate. So most of what they thought of as "Islam" was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization. But instead, for the first time in history, Muslims are actually reading the Koran and discovering that Osama bin Laden's take is basically correct. Add modern broadcasting and internet technology, financed by the massive petro-wealth dividend, and here we are.

    Unfortunately, these particular genies cannot be stuffed back into their bottles. Must millions die before any new civilizational equilibrium is reached? Probably.

    So most of what they thought of as “Islam” was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization.

    That sounds a lot like Christianity pre- and post-Gutenberg.

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    It is.

    Except that when people finally got around to reading the Bible for themselves, it didn't command them to convert the infidel by force or to take their women as concubines.

    Also, Islam did not have the equivalent of the centrally educated Catholic priesthood that was 1) literate, 2) all reading from the same book, 3) mostly selected for scholastic ability rather than for birth, popularity or military prowess, 4) hierarchical, and 5) having the upper hierarchy periodically meet to confer on correct and consistent doctrine. The upshot of which was that nominal Christians experienced fewer surprises when they started reading their holy book themselves, since the Catholic hierarchy had been working a pretty accurate version of it into the laymen for hundreds of years beforehand.

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  70. HA says:
    @Ibound1
    The cult of the "expert" will be the death of the West.

    You cannot opine on Islam unless you have a degree in Islamic studies from an approved university (which thinks the "right" way), no matter how many times you excuse terror and rape. You cannot opine on securitizing mortgages of overpriced homes, unless you are a financier working for Goldman Sachs, no matter how many billions you have cost the US Treasury. You cannot opine on illegal immigration and wages unless you are an economist working for a think tank showing that immigration is good for the economy, no matter how flat wages are actually over time.

    Who are you going to believe, the expert or your own eyes?
    This is, by the way, why they hate Trump so. He keeps proving them wrong. Remember according to Krugman we should be in a Depression right now.

    “You cannot opine on Islam unless you have a degree in Islamic studies from an approved university….”

    Not true. Anyone who opines that Islam is a religion of peace (e.g. Obama, Bush, Pope Francis) ipso facto has the expertise to do so, to loud media acclaim.

    It is only those who wish to criticize Islam who must have a degree in Islamic….aw, who are we kidding? No one, but no one, ever has enough academic expertise to do that.

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  71. HA says:
    @Saxon
    Well no he really doesn't get it. Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?

    Islam might have dysgenic components to it that create a feedback loop that make bad populations or make them worse, but if you removed Islam these places and populations would still be terrible.

    Thilo Sarrazin should have stuck to the theme of what his first book was about which was things like IQ and other quantifiable measurements rather than getting bogged down in all of this garbage about theology.

    “Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?”

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy — you honestly think the people that developed these were “genetically dumb” in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    And yet, in the same millennium that those newly-Christianized Burgundians and Vandals transformed themselves into a culture far more advanced than the one they overran (yes, that kind of thing takes millennia), Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars. The Muslims were born on third base, culturally speaking, having inherited/conquered a mother lode of cultural riches (Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hittites, Greeks, Persians), and And you think all that’s “just coincidental”? That doesn’t say much for your IQ.

    As for mestizos and sub-saharan Africans, like I said, civilization is a process of centuries (and that’s without the likes of initiative-sapping policies like Western aid, not to mention regularly siphoning off the best and brightest to be immigrant bedpan changers and cab drivers). Whether they make it to European levels of advancement remains to be seen, but I’d wager that a few centuries of Christianity does a bit more for a sub-Saharan’s IQ than staying in the jungle and savannah, sponging off of Oxfam, or else, marrying his cousin and limiting himself to rote-learning Madrasas).

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    All the "Agrees" to this comment. For thousands of years, the ME was the pinnacle of civilization; now, after 1400 years of Islam, it's a disaster. I think the cause/effect is clear, and I wish that our public figures would make this point more often.

    More relevant to this particular board, I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well - ignoring the importance of religion, history and culture in favor of typical IQ/psychometrics HBD talking points.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy — you honestly think the people that developed these were “genetically dumb” in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?
     
    If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit. I imagine that Leptis Magna was an amazing city in that day and age.

    Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars.
     
    I agree with your general thrust, but after having lived and worked on the ground in NA for four years I can tell you there is a ton of squalor, even with the petrodollars. Well, in NA it's mostly natural gas dollars in Algeria, and Morocco and Tunisia don't have nearly as significant natural resources to profit from.
    , @Saxon
    Today's middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula starting from the 7th century. It's almost certainly not the same kind of populations that were behind ancient Babylon, Persia etc.
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  72. Silva says:
    @Mike1
    The need to be a designated and trained authority figure in every field you have any opinion of is a new progressive game. In one recent "discussion" (me talking, my discussion partners screaming) one line repeated endlessly was "was it your research, did you do the studies?".

    “was it your research, did you do the studies?”

    This is actually anti-scientific. (Not that that’s surprising.)

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  73. “The reviewer is the FT’s Berlin bureau chief ….”

    Maybe Chazan should take an evening stroll around Essen and see if he feels the same distaste for the book’s thesis if he makes it to the light of the next day.

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  74. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    I encourage folks to try to stay optimistic, keep a “stiff upper lip” in the old Brit tradition and try very, very hard to use humor in opposition of the two most humorless forces in world history:

    1: Politically Correct Lib Leftist anti White Cult Marxists Social Justice Warriors and the media mafia thought police

    2) 8th century Islam now exploding in numbers and terror throughout the world and mass migrant invading the West.

    We worked with the great artist Farstar to just “notice” this strange alliance between these two humorless groups.

    What do they have in common? Not much except they hate us.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/08/31/farstar-comic-liberal-fundamentalists/

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  76. J.Ross says:

    The Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama administration used a combination of infiltrating positions and talking the right way to academics and knowitall bureaucrats, with the effect of revolutionizing the way Islam is discussed and, crucially, allowed to be discussed. This is thoroughly described in the long but excellent book Catastrophic Failure by Stephen Coughlin, an “Islamophic” translator and area expert at the Pentagon who was purged by the New Way.
    It’s like if, in the middle of the Cold War, every “in the know” person rejected “Red scares” and “kneejerk xenophobia,” insisting on viewing the Communist threat as a reasonable neighbor who could be worked with, and not as a revolutionary conspiracy with global designs.
    Oh, wait, that happened too.
    Anyway, the weakness of this foreign cooptation of PC is that so many people, like Coughlin and Sarrazin, can keep coming to the same conclusions, and thus kick up the same ineffective chiding. But bearing in mind Scott Adams’s dual powerpoints, the ineffectiveness of the chiding is no comfort. The only hopeful note is the sales figures of dissident books.

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    "The only hopeful note is the sales figures of dissident books."

    I live in a university town, and it is my great pleasure to go to my local Barnes and Noble and request the latest title by Ann Coulter or Dinesh D'Souza.
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  77. Lagertha says:
    @Anon7
    OT, but relevant to this post. This commentary on Brexit takes just ten minutes to listen to, but it might be the most civilized and rational ten minutes of your day.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0

    Thanks, Mr. Connell

    This made my day! Thanks, Anon7. Mr. Connell is going to become a new internet star – rocking the plaid shirt and all. I was wondering what real people in Britain were feeling – we get no dissenting news in the states about the opinions of Brexiteers.

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    I think it's worthwhile to write down his remarks, and rework them for the American audience. We don't have to put up with ad hominem attacks used in place of argument from our own people, and then put up with being used as doormats by immigrants and globalist businessmen.
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  78. J.Ross says:
    @AndrewR
    "Single Hispanic women are stupid. Married white women are not stupid."


    -Steve Sailer

    You can't make this stuff up. This is why we can't have nice things. Way to prove JPod right... again.

    When you put words in somebody’s mouth you’re supposed to not end up with them sounding perfectly logical. Yes, a pregnant woman who snags a man to help with the crawling mess maker is absolutely smarter than one who is going it alone, and is also not guaranteed but implied to also have other qualifications, like planning ability, family connections and education.

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  79. pyrrhus says:
    @Europe for Everybody
    I wonder how Mr. Chazan feels about Israel helping take in the Islamic horde...

    Israel is a “unique” ethnostate, as their new law specifically states, so they don’t need to take any stinkin’ immigrants. Goyim, not so much….

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  80. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    Remember how 'leading economists' screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called 'refugees' would be the 'greatest boost ever' for the Germany economy?

    Remember how ‘leading economists’ screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called ‘refugees’ would be the ‘greatest boost ever’ for the Germany economy?

    We all know that mad cat-lady Merkel was all in due to a weird sexual dynamic vis a vis those young strapping Muslim and sub-Saharan (read pitch black) refugees. Many selfies of the childless cat-lady posing with them. She got more V tingles than she had in decades. I submit that the same emotions were percolating within scores of German male politicos and elected hacks. With lots of homo-erotic fatal attraction to the “authentic” ThirdWorlder other as in other male. Go blame existentialism and post modern cuckism.
    So dumb, pathetic and stupid I have to laugh.

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  81. eah says:
    @Whiskey
    The FT reported yesterday that Merkel is edging close to military intervention in Syria. Apparently her solution to the domestic unrest is more Rapefugees in Germany.

    Also the EU censured Hungary for being mean to Soros, and is also moving close to kicking Hungary out of the EU or even using "force" to remove the Orban government. Presumably force = a nasty letter from Jean-Claude Juncker. Or maybe even Jean-Claude Van Damme.

    The FT reported yesterday that Merkel is edging close to military intervention in Syria.

    It won’t happen — her coalition partner the SPD is against it.

    Besides, the Bundeswehr is weak and not really capable of engaging in hostilities:

    „Die Luftwaffe befindet sich an einem Tiefpunkt“

    Less than 30% of their combat aircraft are airworthy.

    Maybe you missed it: recently the Bundeswehr had a transsexual at a recruiting event — a paunchy male wearing a dress and heels.

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    I miss Erwin Rommel and Heinz Guderian!
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  82. Anon7 says:
    @Lagertha
    This made my day! Thanks, Anon7. Mr. Connell is going to become a new internet star - rocking the plaid shirt and all. I was wondering what real people in Britain were feeling - we get no dissenting news in the states about the opinions of Brexiteers.

    I think it’s worthwhile to write down his remarks, and rework them for the American audience. We don’t have to put up with ad hominem attacks used in place of argument from our own people, and then put up with being used as doormats by immigrants and globalist businessmen.

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  83. Anon7 says:
    @J.Ross
    The Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama administration used a combination of infiltrating positions and talking the right way to academics and knowitall bureaucrats, with the effect of revolutionizing the way Islam is discussed and, crucially, allowed to be discussed. This is thoroughly described in the long but excellent book Catastrophic Failure by Stephen Coughlin, an "Islamophic" translator and area expert at the Pentagon who was purged by the New Way.
    It's like if, in the middle of the Cold War, every "in the know" person rejected "Red scares" and "kneejerk xenophobia," insisting on viewing the Communist threat as a reasonable neighbor who could be worked with, and not as a revolutionary conspiracy with global designs.
    Oh, wait, that happened too.
    Anyway, the weakness of this foreign cooptation of PC is that so many people, like Coughlin and Sarrazin, can keep coming to the same conclusions, and thus kick up the same ineffective chiding. But bearing in mind Scott Adams's dual powerpoints, the ineffectiveness of the chiding is no comfort. The only hopeful note is the sales figures of dissident books.

    “The only hopeful note is the sales figures of dissident books.”

    I live in a university town, and it is my great pleasure to go to my local Barnes and Noble and request the latest title by Ann Coulter or Dinesh D’Souza.

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    By Dinesh D'Souza, you mean the guy who described America not as a nation but a "subversive idea"? The guy who had the first run of his book "The End of Racism" pulped by the publisher due to his obscene lies about Sam Francis, Jared Taylor and AmRen (1)? The guy who blames Islamic hostility toward the West on...the West (2)? The guy who thinks that "conservative" Muslims are our friends (3)?

    D'Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

    (1) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003112.html
    (2) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011450.html
    (3) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007121.html

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  84. @Anon
    “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”

    What they really need is an outbreak of Evola. Good and hard.

    :’-(

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  85. Nadir says:
    @Jason Liu
    This attack on Islam is really unnecessary and just red meat for angry low brow dudes. Would any of you care what Islam is or isn't if it didn't exist in your country? So who let so many of them in?

    Domestic leftists are the real problem for nationalists, Thilo should train his guns on them.

    What a confused comment.

    “Would any of you care what Islam is or isn’t if it didn’t exist in your country?”

    Except it DOES exist in Western countries…so yes, we care.

    “Domestic leftists are the real problem for nationalists, Thilo should train his guns on them.”

    The existence of Problem A does not preclude the existence of Problem B. More specifically, the Leftist Problem does not preclude the Islamization Problem. They both exist.

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  86. Nadir says:
    @HA
    "Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?"

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy -- you honestly think the people that developed these were "genetically dumb" in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    And yet, in the same millennium that those newly-Christianized Burgundians and Vandals transformed themselves into a culture far more advanced than the one they overran (yes, that kind of thing takes millennia), Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars. The Muslims were born on third base, culturally speaking, having inherited/conquered a mother lode of cultural riches (Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hittites, Greeks, Persians), and And you think all that's "just coincidental"? That doesn't say much for your IQ.

    As for mestizos and sub-saharan Africans, like I said, civilization is a process of centuries (and that's without the likes of initiative-sapping policies like Western aid, not to mention regularly siphoning off the best and brightest to be immigrant bedpan changers and cab drivers). Whether they make it to European levels of advancement remains to be seen, but I'd wager that a few centuries of Christianity does a bit more for a sub-Saharan's IQ than staying in the jungle and savannah, sponging off of Oxfam, or else, marrying his cousin and limiting himself to rote-learning Madrasas).

    All the “Agrees” to this comment. For thousands of years, the ME was the pinnacle of civilization; now, after 1400 years of Islam, it’s a disaster. I think the cause/effect is clear, and I wish that our public figures would make this point more often.

    More relevant to this particular board, I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well – ignoring the importance of religion, history and culture in favor of typical IQ/psychometrics HBD talking points.

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    ">I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well"

    Agreed. I see this line of thought frequently on this site, and it is deeply disturbing. It wouldn't have mattered if Vienna or Sziget or Poitiers had fallen, they say -- Europeans would have made Islam their own. Curiously, that smugness never seems to apply when it comes other ideologies/quasi-religions like, say, Communism or fascism or liberalism -- only religion is malleable to the extent that it is completely fungible. and thereby irrelevant.

    And I would be the first to acknowledge that East German Communism had certain aspects that Romanian or Soviet Communism lacked. But pretending that Germanness or high-IQ would have been enough to nullify or overwhelm the particulars of Marxist dogma is a pipe dream. Why anyone would think that Islam is different in that regard -- especially given the startling turnaround of the relative civilizational levels of the MENA region since Islam took hold there and the rot set in (apart from the first few centuries where, thanks largely to the Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians among them, they managed to build on what they acquired and to keep the momentum going) -- is bizarre.

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  87. J.Ross says: • Website
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    Was going to say the same thing about how backwards Islamic societies are - the cult of multiculturalism has been fairly successful at implanting the idea that there are no inferior cultures, particularly if they are non-European in origin. Any area in which they come up short compared to Western civilization is the fault of colonialism, not what practices and values they adhere to. Thus, massive numbers of Islamic immigrants to European countries isn't a problem because they are basically aspiring Europeans, not people whose culture is largely at odds with their new host country's.

    Islam has a glommification mechanism (of which the conversion of indivuals is pnly a small part). Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful. In Islam, things are declared to “be Islamic,” or to have been made by the Muslims of its day, in something like a demonic offspring of copyright law and the European integrating Mediterranean achievements. Like an inverse of the Commies insisting that “real communism” is unblemished by governments cleverly calling themselves Socialist, Musims in a totally serious way claim all “pre-Muslim” achievements as their own, on the grounds that Islam always existed. This sounds crazy, but if you hold it in your head while observing Muslim complacency, things will make more sense.

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    Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful.
     
    This is exactly correct.

    If the Ummah were anything other than a bunch of filthy, psychotic hypocrites they would completely reject all Western technologies and methodologies...

    ...except that, laptops, smartphones, and the Internet are an amazing tool for disseminating their vile ideology of hatred and destruction of the infidel's civilization....thus they are totally halal and have 110% approval from Allah and that fag Mohammed.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    The Amish do something similar, as Steve has blogged about.

    Islam itself isn’t the core problem. The core problem is HBD: Europe spent a thousand years selecting for today’s intelligent, cooperative, empathetic NW Europeans, and it’s importing people who’ve never gone through anything like that selection process. Of course, it would be tough for a German to make that argument, so TS focuses on Islam.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1040099327362965505?s=21
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  88. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    First, Steve has three articles in a row which are way more interesting than most opinion pieces published in the past year.

    The Financial Times review attacks Thilo Sarrazin’s credentials. Two replies to that:

    (1) That is the logical fallacy of the ad hominem.

    (2) If you want to play the game of credentials, Sarrazin has pretty good ones. Wikipedia:

    From 1967 to 1971, he studied economics at the University of Bonn, earning his doctorate. From November 1973 to December 1974 he worked for the Friedrich Ebert Foundation and became active in the SPD.

    In 1975 Sarrazin began working in the Federal Ministry of Finance. Until 1981 he served as a department head in the Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs and from 1981 he returned to the Federal Ministry of Finance. From October 1981 he served as bureau chief and was a close collaborator of Federal Finance Minister Hans Matthöfer and his successor Manfred Lahnstein. Even after the end of the socialist-liberal coalition in October 1982, Sarrazin remained in the Finance Ministry, where he was director of several units, including (from 1989 to 1990) the “Innerdeutsche Beziehungen,” which prepared the German monetary, economic and social union. During his time as Head of the Federal Ministry of Finance, he was partly responsible for German railways.[7]

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  89. Dr. X says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    ...............................

    Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.
     
    Whereas Madeleine Albright is at least a fascist.

    If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”
     
    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin's detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    I’m sure the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade appreciated the warning.

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  90. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    A few points seem worth mentioning here:

    1) The vast majority of peaceful protesters there weren't neo-Nazis.

    2) The presence of neo-Nazis and LARPers is unhelpful to the right, here as well as there. One of the points an AfD pol made to the FT a while back when they had a not-entirely-biased profile on the party was resentment about a focus on the Nazi period to the exclusion of centuries of history prior to it.

    3) Germany shouldn't be a metaphorical munitions dump -- it's a highly advanced, prosperous European country. That it is one is the fault of Merkel, and the millions of backward, intolerant men she invited into her country.

    [FT hack:] In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.

    There was no “rampage” as even the chief of the secret police agency has publicly acknowledged.

    The incidents were triggered when two Third World “refugees” stabbed a local man to DEATH. The MSM coverage glossed over this detail to portray local demonstrators as bloodthirsty hordes. In fact, the local demonstrations were peaceful overall with only occasional minor scuffles.

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    Another Reichstag fire?
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  91. Nadir says:
    @Anon7
    "The only hopeful note is the sales figures of dissident books."

    I live in a university town, and it is my great pleasure to go to my local Barnes and Noble and request the latest title by Ann Coulter or Dinesh D'Souza.

    By Dinesh D’Souza, you mean the guy who described America not as a nation but a “subversive idea”? The guy who had the first run of his book “The End of Racism” pulped by the publisher due to his obscene lies about Sam Francis, Jared Taylor and AmRen (1)? The guy who blames Islamic hostility toward the West on…the West (2)? The guy who thinks that “conservative” Muslims are our friends (3)?

    D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

    (1) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003112.html
    (2) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011450.html
    (3) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007121.html

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    D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

     

    However, his mercifully short book on his days in the Reagan Administration is well worth a read, and it should be distributed throughout the Trump White House for its good advice. His basic point is that there is so much thrown onto the President's desk that he can only concentrate on the most pressing handful of issues.

    In Reagan's case, that was overtaxation and overregulation, inflation, and the Cold War. Other cans were kicked down the road, eg, illegal immigration, at a fraction of what it is now, and trade deficits. Or they were handled the wrong way, eg, the driving age (hardly a federal issue), automatic weapons licensing, beards on Coast Guardsmen. Reagan got his way on the top issues, so his administration was relatively successful-- if you agree with his policies.

    In Trump's case, that would be immigration and trade. Syria is way down the list.

    Arianna Huffington's first book, under her maiden name of Stassinopolous, was also quite good. That these two later blew their early promise shouldn't keep their first works off your shelf.

    , @3g4me
    @91 Nadir: "D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right."

    Thank you. I already used my "agree" button but am so very tired of TruCons touting the purported virtues of their latest numinous non-White. D'Souza is a vile, anti-White opportunist (who, of course, married then dumped a White woman for yet another . . . White woman . . . to ensure his progeny will have less need for the skin-lightening creme so touted in his homeland).

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  92. @ben tillman

    So most of what they thought of as “Islam” was a syncretization of millennia of local religion, traditions and customs overlaid with Islamic nomenclature. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries Western liberal progressives showed up bringing modern printing technology and encouraging mass literacy, naively assuming that would bring about automatic westernization and modernization.
     
    That sounds a lot like Christianity pre- and post-Gutenberg.

    It is.

    Except that when people finally got around to reading the Bible for themselves, it didn’t command them to convert the infidel by force or to take their women as concubines.

    Also, Islam did not have the equivalent of the centrally educated Catholic priesthood that was 1) literate, 2) all reading from the same book, 3) mostly selected for scholastic ability rather than for birth, popularity or military prowess, 4) hierarchical, and 5) having the upper hierarchy periodically meet to confer on correct and consistent doctrine. The upshot of which was that nominal Christians experienced fewer surprises when they started reading their holy book themselves, since the Catholic hierarchy had been working a pretty accurate version of it into the laymen for hundreds of years beforehand.

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  93. @Rob McX
    Correction: "up to three quarters..."

    Correction: “up to three quarters…”

    I liked it the first time.

    Deinem Dreiviertel hinauf, kamelliebender Schweinhund!!

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  94. @HA
    "Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?"

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy -- you honestly think the people that developed these were "genetically dumb" in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    And yet, in the same millennium that those newly-Christianized Burgundians and Vandals transformed themselves into a culture far more advanced than the one they overran (yes, that kind of thing takes millennia), Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars. The Muslims were born on third base, culturally speaking, having inherited/conquered a mother lode of cultural riches (Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hittites, Greeks, Persians), and And you think all that's "just coincidental"? That doesn't say much for your IQ.

    As for mestizos and sub-saharan Africans, like I said, civilization is a process of centuries (and that's without the likes of initiative-sapping policies like Western aid, not to mention regularly siphoning off the best and brightest to be immigrant bedpan changers and cab drivers). Whether they make it to European levels of advancement remains to be seen, but I'd wager that a few centuries of Christianity does a bit more for a sub-Saharan's IQ than staying in the jungle and savannah, sponging off of Oxfam, or else, marrying his cousin and limiting himself to rote-learning Madrasas).

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy — you honestly think the people that developed these were “genetically dumb” in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit. I imagine that Leptis Magna was an amazing city in that day and age.

    Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars.

    I agree with your general thrust, but after having lived and worked on the ground in NA for four years I can tell you there is a ton of squalor, even with the petrodollars. Well, in NA it’s mostly natural gas dollars in Algeria, and Morocco and Tunisia don’t have nearly as significant natural resources to profit from.

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    "If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit."

    I hear you. And the uncalculable tragedy is how much the decline of Islam damaged much of Europe as well. Sicily/Syracuse/Frederickland used to be prime real estate, too, right up there on the level of Carthage. Who could have predicted that turning all of Southern and Eastern Europe into a Huntingtonian battleground of civilizations -- not to mention centuries of predation by Saracen, Ottoman and Tatar slavers and the occasional blood tax -- would eventually turn out to be such a downer (apart from the first few centuries, where Islam had enough of its pre-Islamic accoutrement to be an invigorating force)?

    I mean, I'm pretty sure I could have, and so could have any well-read teenager for that matter, but that's because people like me don't have the rarified academic indoctrination needed to ignore something that glaringly obvious.

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  95. sidproquo says:
    @Anon7
    OT, but relevant to this post. This commentary on Brexit takes just ten minutes to listen to, but it might be the most civilized and rational ten minutes of your day.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0

    Thanks, Mr. Connell

    Wow…substitue “Donald Trump” for “Brexit” and he speaks truth to those of us in America who feel the same way about the last election and the incessant tantrums of those on the left. Thank you, sir! I am encouraged that there may be some hope after all, albeit, not without a fight.

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  96. @Silva
    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

    Any Liberal critics of Christianity reading the Bible in Koine Greek?

    Today, it’d be Kanye Greek.

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  97. While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.

    Of course China, Hong Kong, Singapore suffered from both colonialism and military intervention and are doing just fine if not leading the world in many aspects of technology and economics. One could even argue that Vietnam which suffered severely from colonialism/military intervention is progressing much more rapidly than Islamic dominate states.

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  98. @Mr. Anon

    There was no doubting what the staff at Dussmann, Berlin’s largest bookshop, thought of Thilo Sarrazin’s new book. They placed it next to Madeleine Albright’s Fascism: a Warning.

    ...............................

    Sarrazin is neither a scholar of Islam nor a theologian. He knows no Arabic, and read the Koran in German translation. But that did not stop him launching a 495-page screed against the religion and its adherents.
     
    Whereas Madeleine Albright is at least a fascist.

    If anything, this book is even more incendiary. As one paper observed: “Germany needs this book like an outbreak of Ebola.”
     
    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin's detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

    Of course, thanks to Sarrazin’s detractors, Germany is now much more likely to get an actual outbreak of Ebola.

    Ebola doesn’t spread rapidly because it usually kills its victim before he can transmit it.

    But that’s in spacious Africa. In crowded Germany, it could be quite the problem.

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  99. L Woods says:
    @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

    They’re no more “innocent” than burglars or members of an invading army.

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  100. @Nadir
    By Dinesh D'Souza, you mean the guy who described America not as a nation but a "subversive idea"? The guy who had the first run of his book "The End of Racism" pulped by the publisher due to his obscene lies about Sam Francis, Jared Taylor and AmRen (1)? The guy who blames Islamic hostility toward the West on...the West (2)? The guy who thinks that "conservative" Muslims are our friends (3)?

    D'Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

    (1) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003112.html
    (2) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011450.html
    (3) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007121.html

    D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

    However, his mercifully short book on his days in the Reagan Administration is well worth a read, and it should be distributed throughout the Trump White House for its good advice. His basic point is that there is so much thrown onto the President’s desk that he can only concentrate on the most pressing handful of issues.

    In Reagan’s case, that was overtaxation and overregulation, inflation, and the Cold War. Other cans were kicked down the road, eg, illegal immigration, at a fraction of what it is now, and trade deficits. Or they were handled the wrong way, eg, the driving age (hardly a federal issue), automatic weapons licensing, beards on Coast Guardsmen. Reagan got his way on the top issues, so his administration was relatively successful– if you agree with his policies.

    In Trump’s case, that would be immigration and trade. Syria is way down the list.

    Arianna Huffington’s first book, under her maiden name of Stassinopolous, was also quite good. That these two later blew their early promise shouldn’t keep their first works off your shelf.

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    To be clear, I wasn't arguing against D'Souza's "first works" - the OP mentioned his "latest book," so I think D'Souza's later idiocies are relevant. Also, your defense of his earlier work as "mercifully short" is far from a ringing endorsement (it gave me a bit of a chuckle).

    There is a deeper issue here: to judge D'Souza's earlier work as worthwhile versus what he wrote later, you must be utilizing a standard outside of D'Souza himself. Who is your standard-bearer for the Dissident Right? (for me it is Auster - my original redpill, and still the best)

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  101. J.Ross says: • Website
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    In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    A few points seem worth mentioning here:

    1) The vast majority of peaceful protesters there weren't neo-Nazis.

    2) The presence of neo-Nazis and LARPers is unhelpful to the right, here as well as there. One of the points an AfD pol made to the FT a while back when they had a not-entirely-biased profile on the party was resentment about a focus on the Nazi period to the exclusion of centuries of history prior to it.

    3) Germany shouldn't be a metaphorical munitions dump -- it's a highly advanced, prosperous European country. That it is one is the fault of Merkel, and the millions of backward, intolerant men she invited into her country.

    Setting aside the issue that the only neo-Nazis in Germany are policemen or slandered non-Nazis, this grenade has MIRV’d into a hundred thousand vectors of noisy combustion. Resulting in … nothing. It must have been assembled by Italians.

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  102. @Anonymous
    Remember how 'leading economists' screamed at the top of their lungs at just how these so-called 'refugees' would be the 'greatest boost ever' for the Germany economy?

    I think you’re failing to understand the worldview of the economists.

    Even if only 25% of the refugees are working, 100% of them are consuming.

    Toilet paper sales are waaaaayyyy up!

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  103. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    Thing is Thilo would be more accurate if he said that MENA's issues are low IQ and high level of ethnocentricism, and of course the whole Israeli Oded Yinon plan to destabilise the whole region. More PC to blame Islam though.

    Wild . I didnt know Oded Yinon had such power. A hypothetical proposal put forth in the early 80s forced Omar Bashir to genocide millions in South Sudan and Darfur, forced Egyptians to rape and mass murder thousands of Coptic Christians, the original inhabitants of Egypt and Morocco to occupy and mass murder in Western Sahara. Oh Oded , you done did it now !!!!

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  104. Nadir says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

     

    However, his mercifully short book on his days in the Reagan Administration is well worth a read, and it should be distributed throughout the Trump White House for its good advice. His basic point is that there is so much thrown onto the President's desk that he can only concentrate on the most pressing handful of issues.

    In Reagan's case, that was overtaxation and overregulation, inflation, and the Cold War. Other cans were kicked down the road, eg, illegal immigration, at a fraction of what it is now, and trade deficits. Or they were handled the wrong way, eg, the driving age (hardly a federal issue), automatic weapons licensing, beards on Coast Guardsmen. Reagan got his way on the top issues, so his administration was relatively successful-- if you agree with his policies.

    In Trump's case, that would be immigration and trade. Syria is way down the list.

    Arianna Huffington's first book, under her maiden name of Stassinopolous, was also quite good. That these two later blew their early promise shouldn't keep their first works off your shelf.

    To be clear, I wasn’t arguing against D’Souza’s “first works” – the OP mentioned his “latest book,” so I think D’Souza’s later idiocies are relevant. Also, your defense of his earlier work as “mercifully short” is far from a ringing endorsement (it gave me a bit of a chuckle).

    There is a deeper issue here: to judge D’Souza’s earlier work as worthwhile versus what he wrote later, you must be utilizing a standard outside of D’Souza himself. Who is your standard-bearer for the Dissident Right? (for me it is Auster – my original redpill, and still the best)

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    Also, your defense of his earlier work as “mercifully short” is far from a ringing endorsement
     
    Why? Many of the greatest works of man are short. For mediocre writers, brevity is even better. It's called discipline.

    to judge D’Souza’s earlier work as worthwhile versus what he wrote later, you must be utilizing a standard outside of D’Souza himself

     

    Well, duh. That's called "reading". The standard I was using was utility. Authors from Thoreau to Scott Adams have offered the advice "simplify, simplify". D'Souza just applied it to presidential procedure, which is quite rare. Yes, I'd rather have writers with better skills and ethics make the same point, but where are they? Historians and political scientists are quite prolix, and worship the exercise of power.

    In the same way, Leonard Bernstein's wacky political views and erotic proclivities don't disqualify his Young People's Concerts as among the best educational television ever produced.


    Who is your standard-bearer for the Dissident Right?

     

    I'm not looking for a "standard bearer". Just for good ideas to spread and bad ones to recede. Auster was fine, as is Steve and Peter Brimelow, Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, and, years ago, Harry Browne.
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  105. 3g4me says:
    @Nadir
    By Dinesh D'Souza, you mean the guy who described America not as a nation but a "subversive idea"? The guy who had the first run of his book "The End of Racism" pulped by the publisher due to his obscene lies about Sam Francis, Jared Taylor and AmRen (1)? The guy who blames Islamic hostility toward the West on...the West (2)? The guy who thinks that "conservative" Muslims are our friends (3)?

    D'Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.

    (1) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003112.html
    (2) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011450.html
    (3) http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007121.html

    @91 Nadir: “D’Souza is a liar, an opportunist, and frankly, a dimwit. Please do not associate his ideas with the Dissident Right.”

    Thank you. I already used my “agree” button but am so very tired of TruCons touting the purported virtues of their latest numinous non-White. D’Souza is a vile, anti-White opportunist (who, of course, married then dumped a White woman for yet another . . . White woman . . . to ensure his progeny will have less need for the skin-lightening creme so touted in his homeland).

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  106. @J.Ross
    Islam has a glommification mechanism (of which the conversion of indivuals is pnly a small part). Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful. In Islam, things are declared to "be Islamic," or to have been made by the Muslims of its day, in something like a demonic offspring of copyright law and the European integrating Mediterranean achievements. Like an inverse of the Commies insisting that "real communism" is unblemished by governments cleverly calling themselves Socialist, Musims in a totally serious way claim all "pre-Muslim" achievements as their own, on the grounds that Islam always existed. This sounds crazy, but if you hold it in your head while observing Muslim complacency, things will make more sense.

    Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful.

    This is exactly correct.

    If the Ummah were anything other than a bunch of filthy, psychotic hypocrites they would completely reject all Western technologies and methodologies…

    …except that, laptops, smartphones, and the Internet are an amazing tool for disseminating their vile ideology of hatred and destruction of the infidel’s civilization….thus they are totally halal and have 110% approval from Allah and that fag Mohammed.

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  107. HA says:
    @Nadir
    All the "Agrees" to this comment. For thousands of years, the ME was the pinnacle of civilization; now, after 1400 years of Islam, it's a disaster. I think the cause/effect is clear, and I wish that our public figures would make this point more often.

    More relevant to this particular board, I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well - ignoring the importance of religion, history and culture in favor of typical IQ/psychometrics HBD talking points.

    “>I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well

    Agreed. I see this line of thought frequently on this site, and it is deeply disturbing. It wouldn’t have mattered if Vienna or Sziget or Poitiers had fallen, they say — Europeans would have made Islam their own. Curiously, that smugness never seems to apply when it comes other ideologies/quasi-religions like, say, Communism or fascism or liberalism — only religion is malleable to the extent that it is completely fungible. and thereby irrelevant.

    And I would be the first to acknowledge that East German Communism had certain aspects that Romanian or Soviet Communism lacked. But pretending that Germanness or high-IQ would have been enough to nullify or overwhelm the particulars of Marxist dogma is a pipe dream. Why anyone would think that Islam is different in that regard — especially given the startling turnaround of the relative civilizational levels of the MENA region since Islam took hold there and the rot set in (apart from the first few centuries where, thanks largely to the Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians among them, they managed to build on what they acquired and to keep the momentum going) — is bizarre.

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    Civilization is multilayered and particular (NOT universal): it involves race, history, religion and culture. It is ultimately a collectivist endeavor which, only in the case of the West, may include some individualism (and this is what the libertarians don't get - individual freedom in Western countries only exists within the illiberal framework of the white, Christian West itself).

    I think this is the crucial point of difference between "conservatives" and "liberals": libs think that individual freedom and the ultimate equality of all individuals and lifestyles is the ultimate goal of society (which implies fag marriage, racial equality through affirmative action, mass immigration, and the destruction of the majority people and culture), while conservatives understand that inequality is the norm, that there is a natural order to the world which includes the smart and the dumb, the rich and the poor, the evil and the virtuous, etc, and that human societies must adapt to this natural inequality as well as possible.

    , @Dale
    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money versus a recently demolished empire, coupled with the coups and assassinations and rigged elections and secret arms deals incentivized corruption, and created desire for counter corruption. By the time Nixon and Saud created the Petrodollar, allowing the MENA to stabilize and exercise control instead of being vassals, the reactionary “conservative” system took over- no doubt financed by Saud and his new billions.

    The overthrow of the Shah of Iran to Gulf War 1 to Yemen- the line goes directly towards control of oil by our deep government.

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  108. HA says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy — you honestly think the people that developed these were “genetically dumb” in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?
     
    If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit. I imagine that Leptis Magna was an amazing city in that day and age.

    Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars.
     
    I agree with your general thrust, but after having lived and worked on the ground in NA for four years I can tell you there is a ton of squalor, even with the petrodollars. Well, in NA it's mostly natural gas dollars in Algeria, and Morocco and Tunisia don't have nearly as significant natural resources to profit from.

    “If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit.”

    I hear you. And the uncalculable tragedy is how much the decline of Islam damaged much of Europe as well. Sicily/Syracuse/Frederickland used to be prime real estate, too, right up there on the level of Carthage. Who could have predicted that turning all of Southern and Eastern Europe into a Huntingtonian battleground of civilizations — not to mention centuries of predation by Saracen, Ottoman and Tatar slavers and the occasional blood tax — would eventually turn out to be such a downer (apart from the first few centuries, where Islam had enough of its pre-Islamic accoutrement to be an invigorating force)?

    I mean, I’m pretty sure I could have, and so could have any well-read teenager for that matter, but that’s because people like me don’t have the rarified academic indoctrination needed to ignore something that glaringly obvious.

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  109. Nadir says:
    @HA
    ">I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well"

    Agreed. I see this line of thought frequently on this site, and it is deeply disturbing. It wouldn't have mattered if Vienna or Sziget or Poitiers had fallen, they say -- Europeans would have made Islam their own. Curiously, that smugness never seems to apply when it comes other ideologies/quasi-religions like, say, Communism or fascism or liberalism -- only religion is malleable to the extent that it is completely fungible. and thereby irrelevant.

    And I would be the first to acknowledge that East German Communism had certain aspects that Romanian or Soviet Communism lacked. But pretending that Germanness or high-IQ would have been enough to nullify or overwhelm the particulars of Marxist dogma is a pipe dream. Why anyone would think that Islam is different in that regard -- especially given the startling turnaround of the relative civilizational levels of the MENA region since Islam took hold there and the rot set in (apart from the first few centuries where, thanks largely to the Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians among them, they managed to build on what they acquired and to keep the momentum going) -- is bizarre.

    Civilization is multilayered and particular (NOT universal): it involves race, history, religion and culture. It is ultimately a collectivist endeavor which, only in the case of the West, may include some individualism (and this is what the libertarians don’t get – individual freedom in Western countries only exists within the illiberal framework of the white, Christian West itself).

    I think this is the crucial point of difference between “conservatives” and “liberals”: libs think that individual freedom and the ultimate equality of all individuals and lifestyles is the ultimate goal of society (which implies fag marriage, racial equality through affirmative action, mass immigration, and the destruction of the majority people and culture), while conservatives understand that inequality is the norm, that there is a natural order to the world which includes the smart and the dumb, the rich and the poor, the evil and the virtuous, etc, and that human societies must adapt to this natural inequality as well as possible.

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  110. @AndrewR
    Qutb:

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.
     
    It's rather clear that the "sexual revolution" can be seen as a fire set by a lit match of widespread access to antibiotics, contraceptive pills, divorce and abortion. But, as Qutb eloquently described, American society was already a pile of wood doused in gasoline before the match was lit. Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today's young women.

    Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today’s young women.

    Just because you are the product of at least two generations of sluts (or was it for pay?) does not mean the rest of use were the issue of illicit relationships. As usual, you are wrong. Your skewed perspective is disgusting, and your assumption that your ancestors were representative of the people that actually pioneered, explored and built this country says much about you, but nothing about them.

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  111. @Jake
    Jews as a group are so totally screwed up from their rebellion against Christ that they are the original people who demand to rule the world, and will commit any and all dirty deeds to get that job done, while simultaneously being suicidal. The widespread Jewish demand to fill the West with Mohammedans is fairly easy to discern proof of the latter half.

    It seems cuck pope Frannie has been working with the Jews to flood Europe with Muslims. In the good old pre-Vatican II era, the pope would state that Islam is a Christian heresy. Remember when Frannie sucked the toe of some black Muslim immigrant on Holy Thursday?

    And now, Frannie is dealing with the homosexual priests. Jews had nothing to do with any of this.

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    We really should ban the term Judeo Christian and start using the term Judeo Islamic .
    After all Judaism and Islam have a lot more in common with each other than either has with Christianity
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  112. @Nadir
    To be clear, I wasn't arguing against D'Souza's "first works" - the OP mentioned his "latest book," so I think D'Souza's later idiocies are relevant. Also, your defense of his earlier work as "mercifully short" is far from a ringing endorsement (it gave me a bit of a chuckle).

    There is a deeper issue here: to judge D'Souza's earlier work as worthwhile versus what he wrote later, you must be utilizing a standard outside of D'Souza himself. Who is your standard-bearer for the Dissident Right? (for me it is Auster - my original redpill, and still the best)

    Also, your defense of his earlier work as “mercifully short” is far from a ringing endorsement

    Why? Many of the greatest works of man are short. For mediocre writers, brevity is even better. It’s called discipline.

    to judge D’Souza’s earlier work as worthwhile versus what he wrote later, you must be utilizing a standard outside of D’Souza himself

    Well, duh. That’s called “reading”. The standard I was using was utility. Authors from Thoreau to Scott Adams have offered the advice “simplify, simplify”. D’Souza just applied it to presidential procedure, which is quite rare. Yes, I’d rather have writers with better skills and ethics make the same point, but where are they? Historians and political scientists are quite prolix, and worship the exercise of power.

    In the same way, Leonard Bernstein’s wacky political views and erotic proclivities don’t disqualify his Young People’s Concerts as among the best educational television ever produced.

    Who is your standard-bearer for the Dissident Right?

    I’m not looking for a “standard bearer”. Just for good ideas to spread and bad ones to recede. Auster was fine, as is Steve and Peter Brimelow, Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, and, years ago, Harry Browne.

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  113. L Woods says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today’s young women.
     
    Just because you are the product of at least two generations of sluts (or was it for pay?) does not mean the rest of use were the issue of illicit relationships. As usual, you are wrong. Your skewed perspective is disgusting, and your assumption that your ancestors were representative of the people that actually pioneered, explored and built this country says much about you, but nothing about them.

    The site needs a “whackjob” button.

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  114. L Woods says:
    @AndrewR
    Qutb:

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.
     
    It's rather clear that the "sexual revolution" can be seen as a fire set by a lit match of widespread access to antibiotics, contraceptive pills, divorce and abortion. But, as Qutb eloquently described, American society was already a pile of wood doused in gasoline before the match was lit. Collectively, our grandmothers were not as innocent and wholesome in their youth as we would like to believe. They just lacked the means to fully slut it up like today's young women.

    Indeed. And this is why I won’t be altogether sorry to witness the remnant of Anglo-America’s demise — in many of its cultural attitudes (including and especially towards women), it is fatally, fundamentally flawed.

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  115. Dale says:
    @AndrewR
    "Single Hispanic women are stupid. Married white women are not stupid."


    -Steve Sailer

    You can't make this stuff up. This is why we can't have nice things. Way to prove JPod right... again.

    I think Steve should append “with children” to make this more accurate. Women stupid enough to get pregnant without making certain their mate is stable and will marry her are SLIGHTLY less common among Anglo females. Ergo, they are smarter than the immigrant that gets pregnant without a husband.

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  116. Dale says:
    @Anon7
    OT, but relevant to this post. This commentary on Brexit takes just ten minutes to listen to, but it might be the most civilized and rational ten minutes of your day.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0

    Thanks, Mr. Connell

    Great video- eloquent and hits all the main points HARD. The City of London is the big snag- they helped engineer the EU/euro, and are about to become slightly marginalized. A hard Brexit, with simple rules and low tariffs for imports and even lower export duties, coupled with total immigration control, is the only palatable solution that will work. The Left will squawk and the wealthy will spew fear in every newscast, and then nothing bad will happen because free trade and decentralization of power makes the smaller power more capable. Singapore is an island but is a financial world power, and Hong Kong has made China increasingly wealthy over the last 19 years.

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  117. @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

    Resisting invaders, even with deadly force, is fully justified, although one could probably get the same results with a “tow back, expel on shore, then scuttle the ship” policy. As Jean Raspail noted in The Camp of the Saints, their very helplessness weaponizes them against us.

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown. Europeans and North Americans need to develop the same attitude towards the welfare of African and Arab invaders that those Tunisians showed.

    And I really don’t care what you find sickening. If you love these people so much, go and live with them!

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    Shockingly, I can not want to live with them without wanting to murder them. This isn't a war. There is no reason to end their lives. Stop acting tough behind a screen.
    , @Mr. Rational
    For the ones who come with their own ship, it's even easier than you posit; just run the ship up on a convenient piece of shoreline and blow up the engines.

    The more remote and unfriendly the piece of shoreline, the worse the tales the would-be invaders will tell about the experience and the better the deterrent effect will be.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown.
     
    Think of all the possible chain migration, welfare fraud, robberies, mocha mistakes, drug pushing, gang rapes, and casual murders that were prevented when the boat sank.
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  118. Dale says:
    @HA
    ">I think this is a trap that the HBD crowd can fall into as well"

    Agreed. I see this line of thought frequently on this site, and it is deeply disturbing. It wouldn't have mattered if Vienna or Sziget or Poitiers had fallen, they say -- Europeans would have made Islam their own. Curiously, that smugness never seems to apply when it comes other ideologies/quasi-religions like, say, Communism or fascism or liberalism -- only religion is malleable to the extent that it is completely fungible. and thereby irrelevant.

    And I would be the first to acknowledge that East German Communism had certain aspects that Romanian or Soviet Communism lacked. But pretending that Germanness or high-IQ would have been enough to nullify or overwhelm the particulars of Marxist dogma is a pipe dream. Why anyone would think that Islam is different in that regard -- especially given the startling turnaround of the relative civilizational levels of the MENA region since Islam took hold there and the rot set in (apart from the first few centuries where, thanks largely to the Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians among them, they managed to build on what they acquired and to keep the momentum going) -- is bizarre.

    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money versus a recently demolished empire, coupled with the coups and assassinations and rigged elections and secret arms deals incentivized corruption, and created desire for counter corruption. By the time Nixon and Saud created the Petrodollar, allowing the MENA to stabilize and exercise control instead of being vassals, the reactionary “conservative” system took over- no doubt financed by Saud and his new billions.

    The overthrow of the Shah of Iran to Gulf War 1 to Yemen- the line goes directly towards control of oil by our deep government.

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    No, Islam was merely quiescent in the first half of the 20th century due to Western military/political dominance and the collapse of the Ottoman empire (not the same as "moderating"). Up until that point, Islam had metastasized throughout MENA, smashed Persia and India and repeatedly tried to invade Europe. There is nothing "moderate" about Islam: 1) the Koran is the Word of God. Period. It is not a chronicle by somebody alive at the time, it is God speaking directly to Muslims. There is no re-interpretation, there is no reform. 2) The glorification of killing/subjugating non-Muslims: "Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush." Need I say more? Bin Laden's Arabic-language tapes are packed with Koranic scholarship justifying violent jihad against non-Muslims. 3) Abrogation - meaning that the earlier, more peaceful parts of the Koran are superseded by the later, more violent ones. "Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?" (this is a key point to bring up to Islam apologists who quote peaceful Koranic passages) 4) Mohammad as moral exemplar for all Muslims to follow - while he started his life as a spiritual man, he ended up as a warlord and emperor. Is it any wonder that dictatorship and warlordism are so common in the Islamic world?

    A basic intro to Islam can be found here:
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

    , @HA
    "Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century..."

    I addressed this in an earlier post. The short answer is that what you are referring to is not Islam, per se – rather, it’s Baathism, or Pahlavi-ism, or whatever claptrap Qadaffi was inserting into his little book.

    In past decades, it was easier to pass off any such modernizing tendencies as authentic Islam because most Muslims were illiterate and their knowledge of the Quran went only as far as the government-approved imam in the village mosque, and so they contented themselves with Sufi-esque diversions from the actual text. You say Baathism is 100% compatible with the Quran? Of course it is, my friend – the government-approved imam was most emphatic about the matter, and the imam before who was not so sure has disappeared somewhere.

    Alas, even moderate Muslims claim the Quran is sacred and must be followed faithfully (the same moderates who are now shocked, shocked to find extremism in the House of Islam, and to see the extremist movements they’ve been funding are actually taking the program seriously). And now, every Muslim with a smart phone has access to a dozen scholars of classical Arabic who are able to dispense the true words of the Quran without all that weaselly Orwellian effort to bring it into modernity.

    So it’s going to be tougher to try those earlier tricks from here on out. At some point, the same Muslims who are picking up smart phones are presumably going to use them more for porn, video games, and sports as opposed to getting to the truth of the Quran – at least that was probably the hope -- but that hasn’t happened yet.
    , @HA
    "Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money "

    To follow up, your argument seems like just another variation of the liberal axiom according to which black and brown people have absolutely no agency, and to the extent that anything is wrong in their societies, some white guy somewhere must be to blame.
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  119. @eah
    The FT reported yesterday that Merkel is edging close to military intervention in Syria.

    It won't happen -- her coalition partner the SPD is against it.

    Besides, the Bundeswehr is weak and not really capable of engaging in hostilities:

    „Die Luftwaffe befindet sich an einem Tiefpunkt“

    Less than 30% of their combat aircraft are airworthy.

    Maybe you missed it: recently the Bundeswehr had a transsexual at a recruiting event -- a paunchy male wearing a dress and heels.

    http://www.pi-news.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ganz_deutschland-696x404.jpg

    I miss Erwin Rommel and Heinz Guderian!

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  120. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @J.Ross
    Islam has a glommification mechanism (of which the conversion of indivuals is pnly a small part). Recall the really excellent sppech by Naipaul linked by a commenter here a while back, pointing out the completely shameless hypocrisy of being purely Islamic while permitting oneself to exploit any Western technology or practice one finds useful. In Islam, things are declared to "be Islamic," or to have been made by the Muslims of its day, in something like a demonic offspring of copyright law and the European integrating Mediterranean achievements. Like an inverse of the Commies insisting that "real communism" is unblemished by governments cleverly calling themselves Socialist, Musims in a totally serious way claim all "pre-Muslim" achievements as their own, on the grounds that Islam always existed. This sounds crazy, but if you hold it in your head while observing Muslim complacency, things will make more sense.

    The Amish do something similar, as Steve has blogged about.

    Islam itself isn’t the core problem. The core problem is HBD: Europe spent a thousand years selecting for today’s intelligent, cooperative, empathetic NW Europeans, and it’s importing people who’ve never gone through anything like that selection process. Of course, it would be tough for a German to make that argument, so TS focuses on Islam.

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  121. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

    Are they, in fact, ‘innocent’?

    Aren’t they possessed of agency, in the legal jargon ‘mens rea’ and ‘actus reus’.
    Aren’t their acts clearly and obviously hostile attempts to usurp the nation of another people?
    Aren’t they nasty little bullies – cynically trying – and succeeding – into ‘moral blackmailing’ the foolish naive and gullible into giving in to their criminality?

    Weren’t the thousands upon thousands of drafted, enlisted servicemen, on all sides, blasted out of the oceans in the world’s wars ‘innocent’?

    How have blatant, obvious, hostile invasions been treated throughout the ages before the present soft headed age?

    If the Amerindians had the means and organization to ‘blast out of the water’ the ‘innocent’ European colonists of their native home, don’t you think that they would still have undisputed possession of it?

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    The Europeans came with weapons, you cowardly barbarian.
    , @Anonymous
    Look.

    The so-called 'Castle Doctrine', the legalistic precedent avidly adopted by many an American state gives householders impunity and licence to gun down and kill 'uninvited hostile intruders' of their private property on the spot. No questions asked. If you see a dangerous intruder unexpectedly in your house, you can wipe him out with the full backing of US state law - and many a right wing blowhard radio commentator.

    In reality the difference between an uninvited hostile intruder in your house, and uninvited hostile intruders breaking into your country, is only one of degree.
    Both are harmful and aggressive, with no possible moral justification. Both wish to injure you, whether bodily or in terms of theft of what's rightfully yours.

    An elementary conclusion, and pretty much basic to all systems of laws and government, or, at least, one would have thought.
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  122. Saxon says:
    @HA
    "Islam is just coincidental to the fact that these are genetically dumb populations not capable of much better. Did Christianity make Sub-Saharan Africans better? Mestizos better?"

    Idiocy. Prior to the arrival of Islam, the MENA region was the cradle of civilization. Writing, the wheel, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy -- you honestly think the people that developed these were "genetically dumb" in comparison with, say, the Burgundians and Vandals who looted and pillaged the Roman empire and whatever else they could get their hands on?

    And yet, in the same millennium that those newly-Christianized Burgundians and Vandals transformed themselves into a culture far more advanced than the one they overran (yes, that kind of thing takes millennia), Islam transformed that part of the world that had been at or near the apex of civilization into sand and squalor, where it would still be today were it not for petrodollars. The Muslims were born on third base, culturally speaking, having inherited/conquered a mother lode of cultural riches (Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hittites, Greeks, Persians), and And you think all that's "just coincidental"? That doesn't say much for your IQ.

    As for mestizos and sub-saharan Africans, like I said, civilization is a process of centuries (and that's without the likes of initiative-sapping policies like Western aid, not to mention regularly siphoning off the best and brightest to be immigrant bedpan changers and cab drivers). Whether they make it to European levels of advancement remains to be seen, but I'd wager that a few centuries of Christianity does a bit more for a sub-Saharan's IQ than staying in the jungle and savannah, sponging off of Oxfam, or else, marrying his cousin and limiting himself to rote-learning Madrasas).

    Today’s middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula starting from the 7th century. It’s almost certainly not the same kind of populations that were behind ancient Babylon, Persia etc.

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    "Today’s middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula..."

    I'm not sure why you're telling me this. Even if that were true, you think Islam is not largely responsible for that?

    If you're trying to contradict me, stop making my case for me.
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  123. AndrewR says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Resisting invaders, even with deadly force, is fully justified, although one could probably get the same results with a "tow back, expel on shore, then scuttle the ship" policy. As Jean Raspail noted in The Camp of the Saints, their very helplessness weaponizes them against us.

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown. Europeans and North Americans need to develop the same attitude towards the welfare of African and Arab invaders that those Tunisians showed.

    And I really don't care what you find sickening. If you love these people so much, go and live with them!

    Shockingly, I can not want to live with them without wanting to murder them. This isn’t a war. There is no reason to end their lives. Stop acting tough behind a screen.

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    It *is* a war. A slow motion war being played out in real time.

    In the same way as an influenza infection is a war between the body's immune system and a virus which wishes to eat up the victim's body from within.
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  124. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    Are they, in fact, 'innocent'?

    Aren't they possessed of agency, in the legal jargon 'mens rea' and 'actus reus'.
    Aren't their acts clearly and obviously hostile attempts to usurp the nation of another people?
    Aren't they nasty little bullies - cynically trying - and succeeding - into 'moral blackmailing' the foolish naive and gullible into giving in to their criminality?

    Weren't the thousands upon thousands of drafted, enlisted servicemen, on all sides, blasted out of the oceans in the world's wars 'innocent'?

    How have blatant, obvious, hostile invasions been treated throughout the ages before the present soft headed age?

    If the Amerindians had the means and organization to 'blast out of the water' the 'innocent' European colonists of their native home, don't you think that they would still have undisputed possession of it?

    The Europeans came with weapons, you cowardly barbarian.

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    What weapons did the Pilgrim fathers bring with them?

    If anyone's a coward it's you.
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  125. @Diversity Heretic
    Resisting invaders, even with deadly force, is fully justified, although one could probably get the same results with a "tow back, expel on shore, then scuttle the ship" policy. As Jean Raspail noted in The Camp of the Saints, their very helplessness weaponizes them against us.

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown. Europeans and North Americans need to develop the same attitude towards the welfare of African and Arab invaders that those Tunisians showed.

    And I really don't care what you find sickening. If you love these people so much, go and live with them!

    For the ones who come with their own ship, it’s even easier than you posit; just run the ship up on a convenient piece of shoreline and blow up the engines.

    The more remote and unfriendly the piece of shoreline, the worse the tales the would-be invaders will tell about the experience and the better the deterrent effect will be.

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  126. beau says:

    ‘in a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act’.

    Thilo Sarrazin has told the truth. the reaction reveals we are, indeed, in a ‘time of universal deceit’. all should bear this in mind as ‘official pronouncements’ come like water over a fall and, since all are ‘official’, all are lies.

    muslims are being allowed into the west to do what muslims do: demand everything, never assimilate, institute violence and destroy all societies where they become the major player. WHY?

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    The Economist.
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  127. Nadir says:
    @Dale
    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money versus a recently demolished empire, coupled with the coups and assassinations and rigged elections and secret arms deals incentivized corruption, and created desire for counter corruption. By the time Nixon and Saud created the Petrodollar, allowing the MENA to stabilize and exercise control instead of being vassals, the reactionary “conservative” system took over- no doubt financed by Saud and his new billions.

    The overthrow of the Shah of Iran to Gulf War 1 to Yemen- the line goes directly towards control of oil by our deep government.

    No, Islam was merely quiescent in the first half of the 20th century due to Western military/political dominance and the collapse of the Ottoman empire (not the same as “moderating”). Up until that point, Islam had metastasized throughout MENA, smashed Persia and India and repeatedly tried to invade Europe. There is nothing “moderate” about Islam: 1) the Koran is the Word of God. Period. It is not a chronicle by somebody alive at the time, it is God speaking directly to Muslims. There is no re-interpretation, there is no reform. 2) The glorification of killing/subjugating non-Muslims: “Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush.” Need I say more? Bin Laden’s Arabic-language tapes are packed with Koranic scholarship justifying violent jihad against non-Muslims. 3) Abrogation – meaning that the earlier, more peaceful parts of the Koran are superseded by the later, more violent ones. “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?” (this is a key point to bring up to Islam apologists who quote peaceful Koranic passages) 4) Mohammad as moral exemplar for all Muslims to follow – while he started his life as a spiritual man, he ended up as a warlord and emperor. Is it any wonder that dictatorship and warlordism are so common in the Islamic world?

    A basic intro to Islam can be found here:

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

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  128. HA says:
    @Dale
    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money versus a recently demolished empire, coupled with the coups and assassinations and rigged elections and secret arms deals incentivized corruption, and created desire for counter corruption. By the time Nixon and Saud created the Petrodollar, allowing the MENA to stabilize and exercise control instead of being vassals, the reactionary “conservative” system took over- no doubt financed by Saud and his new billions.

    The overthrow of the Shah of Iran to Gulf War 1 to Yemen- the line goes directly towards control of oil by our deep government.

    “Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century…”

    I addressed this in an earlier post. The short answer is that what you are referring to is not Islam, per se – rather, it’s Baathism, or Pahlavi-ism, or whatever claptrap Qadaffi was inserting into his little book.

    In past decades, it was easier to pass off any such modernizing tendencies as authentic Islam because most Muslims were illiterate and their knowledge of the Quran went only as far as the government-approved imam in the village mosque, and so they contented themselves with Sufi-esque diversions from the actual text. You say Baathism is 100% compatible with the Quran? Of course it is, my friend – the government-approved imam was most emphatic about the matter, and the imam before who was not so sure has disappeared somewhere.

    Alas, even moderate Muslims claim the Quran is sacred and must be followed faithfully (the same moderates who are now shocked, shocked to find extremism in the House of Islam, and to see the extremist movements they’ve been funding are actually taking the program seriously). And now, every Muslim with a smart phone has access to a dozen scholars of classical Arabic who are able to dispense the true words of the Quran without all that weaselly Orwellian effort to bring it into modernity.

    So it’s going to be tougher to try those earlier tricks from here on out. At some point, the same Muslims who are picking up smart phones are presumably going to use them more for porn, video games, and sports as opposed to getting to the truth of the Quran – at least that was probably the hope — but that hasn’t happened yet.

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  129. Nadir says:
    @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

    I agree with you that it is preferable to scuttle the ships (or even destroy the ports) in their countries of origin, and that harsh language which scares the normies is not helpful. However, here’s where we disagree:

    “But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?…Sickening.”

    As another poster has already noted, they are no more innocent than an invading army. They are coming to Europe to enjoy a lifestyle that they are unable to build for themselves, undercut European wages and drain the social welfare system. On top of that, many of them are carriers of Islam, which seeks to destroy Europe outright. I also object to the anodyne term “migrants” – they are invaders, parasites, bums, etc. Finally, there is the “no good reason” part. I think every people has the absolute right to defend itself and its civilization – let’s both hope that the West gets its act together and does this in the most humane way possible.

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    I'm not sure that "humane" rates as a virtue in this case.  Given what we're going to have to do to get rid of the hordes already here, warming up with a little bloodthirsty anti-ship gunnery might be essential to steel ourselves for the rest of the job.

    The virtue of bloodthirstiness is that it'll help convince the invaders that we really mean business and make them more willing to take the plane tickets instead of trying to fight to stay.  Tough love, as it were.

    , @Rob McX
    At present there's probably no need to kill any would-be immigrants. Turning them back is enough. But undoubtedly, it would be justified to do so if there were no alternative. There's no compunction about killing the soldiers of an invading army even though, unlike these "migrants", most of them have no wish to invade and are only obeying their superiors.

    Furthermore, by indicating what they're not willing to do, white countries are giving the invaders the guidelines for emotional blackmail. You just know what's going to happen when they say, for instance, "we won't separate children from their parents". Saying "we'll won't kill anyone" is asking for trouble, and it's getting to the stage where lethal force will be unavoidable. In a recent incident, invaders threw acid at Spanish police in the African enclave of Ceuta before bursting across the border.

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  130. Romanian says: • Website
    @HA
    "What kind of name is Sarrazin? Sounds like a member of a central asian horde."

    According to his wiki page, it's a derivation of "Saracen", indicating that he himself has Muslims on the paternal side of his family tree.

    More likely, it is a family name derived from a nickname, which are generally very common, along with occupational names. Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor, or even being a normal looking brunet among a sea of blond heads. Think of the Black Irish, or the Black Prince, or any other woman with dark good looks or a tall, dark and handsome man. I understand that, in human being, men are generally darker than women and both are darker than infants, even without tanning. Maybe testosterone has something to do with the dark and handsome idea, and there’s a study that associates darker pigmentation within the same group with higher aggression and sexual drive/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

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    "Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor,..."

    Fair enough. As I recall, Beethoven was nicknamed "the Moor" due to his dark complexion (which led some Black-Athena fabulists to claim him for their cause). But FWIW, according to wiki:

    He has explained that his name means saracen (i.e. Muslim) and is common in Southern France: "It is derived from the Arab pirates that were called 'Saracens' in the Middle Ages".
     
    , @Rob McX
    True. The name is uncommon, but its origin was probably descriptive (maybe facetiously so) rather than indicative of ancestry. The same applies to the very common French surname Moreau (which comes from the word for Moor), which meant someone with dark hair.
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  131. Josep says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Chapeau, You sir are totally aware of the circumstances which led up to the current situation plus The "Frankfurter Schule" having been the catalyst for the transformation of the US edumacation system into a marxist indoctrination activity.

    Add to this the fact that Germany is the most neurotic, confused nation on planet earth and then we have the recipe for chaos and mayhem such now as being experienced.

    And then add to this malaise the phenomena of the omnipresent German "Besserwisserei", German know-it-all-ism : Germans, of course with exeception, are basically right about everything, and are manically inclined to authority worship : Germans worship Politicians , clergy, journalists, medicos, judges, "artists" and all things "Links" ( leftist) etc.

    They hate DT, among other things because he is not a bonafide "Politician".

    They are unable to comprehend the tyrannical philosophical implications behind their police-state residence registration law : "Meldepflicht", and they erect monuments to such illustrious characters as : Karl Marx.

    Whew just reflecting upon their crazyness wears me out.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Add to this the fact that Germany is the most neurotic, confused nation on planet earth and then we have the recipe for chaos and mayhem such now as being experienced.

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trump-going-neocon-in-syria/

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/regime-change-american-style/

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  132. HA says:
    @Saxon
    Today's middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula starting from the 7th century. It's almost certainly not the same kind of populations that were behind ancient Babylon, Persia etc.

    Today’s middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula…”

    I’m not sure why you’re telling me this. Even if that were true, you think Islam is not largely responsible for that?

    If you’re trying to contradict me, stop making my case for me.

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    Your case was some airy-fairy nonsense about culture, which has become a buzzword so odious that Hermann Göring's saying about reaching for his revolver when he hears it is more apt today than when he said it. Today it's said to be a sort of magic panacea that turns savages into Europeans upon touching our magic soil.

    Rome really wasn't THAT much more advanced than its neighbors in Europe. They had aqueducts and some really nice stone masonry techniques, and definitely a lot better record-keeping. They still could not conquer very much Germanic territory nor hold it for very long so this idea that these people were like the caveman caricatures you see in history docos is kind of absurd on its face given what we know about the military capability of Romans at the time.

    Point being genes matter a lot more. If you don't have the baseline, no amount of "inherited" (see; looted) knowledge of others matters. It's why east Asians quite recently were able to do much with the western European base of knowledge but virtually no one else has been able to. The genes of those who created those ancient civilizations in the middle east were destroyed enough by dilution through rape that those people functionally don't exist anymore.
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  133. HA says:
    @Dale
    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money versus a recently demolished empire, coupled with the coups and assassinations and rigged elections and secret arms deals incentivized corruption, and created desire for counter corruption. By the time Nixon and Saud created the Petrodollar, allowing the MENA to stabilize and exercise control instead of being vassals, the reactionary “conservative” system took over- no doubt financed by Saud and his new billions.

    The overthrow of the Shah of Iran to Gulf War 1 to Yemen- the line goes directly towards control of oil by our deep government.

    Islam was moderating in the first half of the 20th Century, but oil and naval power and money

    To follow up, your argument seems like just another variation of the liberal axiom according to which black and brown people have absolutely no agency, and to the extent that anything is wrong in their societies, some white guy somewhere must be to blame.

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  134. @Diversity Heretic
    Resisting invaders, even with deadly force, is fully justified, although one could probably get the same results with a "tow back, expel on shore, then scuttle the ship" policy. As Jean Raspail noted in The Camp of the Saints, their very helplessness weaponizes them against us.

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown. Europeans and North Americans need to develop the same attitude towards the welfare of African and Arab invaders that those Tunisians showed.

    And I really don't care what you find sickening. If you love these people so much, go and live with them!

    I readily admit I found a video of African invaders who mistook a Tunisian fishing vessel for an Italian coast guard boat, and then went up to it and scuttled their own boat in an effort to force a rescue, gratifying. The Tunisian crew, showing the high regard that Arabs have for African lives, just watched them drown.

    Think of all the possible chain migration, welfare fraud, robberies, mocha mistakes, drug pushing, gang rapes, and casual murders that were prevented when the boat sank.

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  135. HA says:
    @Romanian
    More likely, it is a family name derived from a nickname, which are generally very common, along with occupational names. Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor, or even being a normal looking brunet among a sea of blond heads. Think of the Black Irish, or the Black Prince, or any other woman with dark good looks or a tall, dark and handsome man. I understand that, in human being, men are generally darker than women and both are darker than infants, even without tanning. Maybe testosterone has something to do with the dark and handsome idea, and there's a study that associates darker pigmentation within the same group with higher aggression and sexual drive/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    “Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor,…”

    Fair enough. As I recall, Beethoven was nicknamed “the Moor” due to his dark complexion (which led some Black-Athena fabulists to claim him for their cause). But FWIW, according to wiki:

    He has explained that his name means saracen (i.e. Muslim) and is common in Southern France: “It is derived from the Arab pirates that were called ‘Saracens’ in the Middle Ages”.

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    Well, yeah, but we already know that. He did not confirm that he had an actual Saracen ancestor, not that it matters. Maybe some spreading of the genes through rape?
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  136. Romanian says: • Website
    @HA
    "Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor,..."

    Fair enough. As I recall, Beethoven was nicknamed "the Moor" due to his dark complexion (which led some Black-Athena fabulists to claim him for their cause). But FWIW, according to wiki:

    He has explained that his name means saracen (i.e. Muslim) and is common in Southern France: "It is derived from the Arab pirates that were called 'Saracens' in the Middle Ages".
     

    Well, yeah, but we already know that. He did not confirm that he had an actual Saracen ancestor, not that it matters. Maybe some spreading of the genes through rape?

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  137. @Anonymous

    [FT hack:] In the charged atmosphere since neo-Nazis rampaged in Chemnitz last month, this book seems like a live grenade thrown into a munitions dump.
     
    There was no "rampage" as even the chief of the secret police agency has publicly acknowledged.

    The incidents were triggered when two Third World "refugees" stabbed a local man to DEATH. The MSM coverage glossed over this detail to portray local demonstrators as bloodthirsty hordes. In fact, the local demonstrations were peaceful overall with only occasional minor scuffles.

    Another Reichstag fire?

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  138. Unlike this mook, Sarrazin is brilliant. But this is the sort of conceited rant that greeted Germany is Abolishing Itself, which I read in Attic Greek.

    BTW, the person who sold me my used copy of Germany is Abolishing Itself wrote a gigantic, “F—k You” inside the front cover. I’ve wondered ever since, if that was directed at Sarrazin, or me.

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  139. @AndrewR
    You sound barbaric, like many alt-right people, which does not endear us to decent people.

    When you say "sink the ships," the natural interpretation is to think you mean "...in the middle of the sea, killing all the migrants."

    I certainly think all the boats need to be towed to the port of origin, where they can be scuttled, and the human smugglers should be brought back to Europe and executed.

    But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?

    Perhaps you didn't imply that, but that was the only thing one could reasonably infer.

    Sickening.

    “But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?”

    What “innocent migrants”?

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  140. @Nadir
    I agree with you that it is preferable to scuttle the ships (or even destroy the ports) in their countries of origin, and that harsh language which scares the normies is not helpful. However, here's where we disagree:

    "But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?...Sickening."

    As another poster has already noted, they are no more innocent than an invading army. They are coming to Europe to enjoy a lifestyle that they are unable to build for themselves, undercut European wages and drain the social welfare system. On top of that, many of them are carriers of Islam, which seeks to destroy Europe outright. I also object to the anodyne term "migrants" - they are invaders, parasites, bums, etc. Finally, there is the "no good reason" part. I think every people has the absolute right to defend itself and its civilization - let's both hope that the West gets its act together and does this in the most humane way possible.

    I’m not sure that “humane” rates as a virtue in this case.  Given what we’re going to have to do to get rid of the hordes already here, warming up with a little bloodthirsty anti-ship gunnery might be essential to steel ourselves for the rest of the job.

    The virtue of bloodthirstiness is that it’ll help convince the invaders that we really mean business and make them more willing to take the plane tickets instead of trying to fight to stay.  Tough love, as it were.

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  141. @HA
    "If I had a time machine, Roman North Africa would be near the top of my list of places and eras to visit."

    I hear you. And the uncalculable tragedy is how much the decline of Islam damaged much of Europe as well. Sicily/Syracuse/Frederickland used to be prime real estate, too, right up there on the level of Carthage. Who could have predicted that turning all of Southern and Eastern Europe into a Huntingtonian battleground of civilizations -- not to mention centuries of predation by Saracen, Ottoman and Tatar slavers and the occasional blood tax -- would eventually turn out to be such a downer (apart from the first few centuries, where Islam had enough of its pre-Islamic accoutrement to be an invigorating force)?

    I mean, I'm pretty sure I could have, and so could have any well-read teenager for that matter, but that's because people like me don't have the rarified academic indoctrination needed to ignore something that glaringly obvious.

    You go to college to learn to be stupid.

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  142. @Europe for Everybody
    I wonder how Mr. Chazan feels about Israel helping take in the Islamic horde...

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  143. Rob McX says:
    @Romanian
    More likely, it is a family name derived from a nickname, which are generally very common, along with occupational names. Saracen might have referred to a swarthier coloring of the particular ancestor, or even being a normal looking brunet among a sea of blond heads. Think of the Black Irish, or the Black Prince, or any other woman with dark good looks or a tall, dark and handsome man. I understand that, in human being, men are generally darker than women and both are darker than infants, even without tanning. Maybe testosterone has something to do with the dark and handsome idea, and there's a study that associates darker pigmentation within the same group with higher aggression and sexual drive/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    True. The name is uncommon, but its origin was probably descriptive (maybe facetiously so) rather than indicative of ancestry. The same applies to the very common French surname Moreau (which comes from the word for Moor), which meant someone with dark hair.

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  144. Rob McX says:
    @Nadir
    I agree with you that it is preferable to scuttle the ships (or even destroy the ports) in their countries of origin, and that harsh language which scares the normies is not helpful. However, here's where we disagree:

    "But killing innocent migrants for no good reason?...Sickening."

    As another poster has already noted, they are no more innocent than an invading army. They are coming to Europe to enjoy a lifestyle that they are unable to build for themselves, undercut European wages and drain the social welfare system. On top of that, many of them are carriers of Islam, which seeks to destroy Europe outright. I also object to the anodyne term "migrants" - they are invaders, parasites, bums, etc. Finally, there is the "no good reason" part. I think every people has the absolute right to defend itself and its civilization - let's both hope that the West gets its act together and does this in the most humane way possible.

    At present there’s probably no need to kill any would-be immigrants. Turning them back is enough. But undoubtedly, it would be justified to do so if there were no alternative. There’s no compunction about killing the soldiers of an invading army even though, unlike these “migrants”, most of them have no wish to invade and are only obeying their superiors.

    Furthermore, by indicating what they’re not willing to do, white countries are giving the invaders the guidelines for emotional blackmail. You just know what’s going to happen when they say, for instance, “we won’t separate children from their parents”. Saying “we’ll won’t kill anyone” is asking for trouble, and it’s getting to the stage where lethal force will be unavoidable. In a recent incident, invaders threw acid at Spanish police in the African enclave of Ceuta before bursting across the border.

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  145. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    The Europeans came with weapons, you cowardly barbarian.

    What weapons did the Pilgrim fathers bring with them?

    If anyone’s a coward it’s you.

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  146. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Are they, in fact, 'innocent'?

    Aren't they possessed of agency, in the legal jargon 'mens rea' and 'actus reus'.
    Aren't their acts clearly and obviously hostile attempts to usurp the nation of another people?
    Aren't they nasty little bullies - cynically trying - and succeeding - into 'moral blackmailing' the foolish naive and gullible into giving in to their criminality?

    Weren't the thousands upon thousands of drafted, enlisted servicemen, on all sides, blasted out of the oceans in the world's wars 'innocent'?

    How have blatant, obvious, hostile invasions been treated throughout the ages before the present soft headed age?

    If the Amerindians had the means and organization to 'blast out of the water' the 'innocent' European colonists of their native home, don't you think that they would still have undisputed possession of it?

    Look.

    The so-called ‘Castle Doctrine’, the legalistic precedent avidly adopted by many an American state gives householders impunity and licence to gun down and kill ‘uninvited hostile intruders’ of their private property on the spot. No questions asked. If you see a dangerous intruder unexpectedly in your house, you can wipe him out with the full backing of US state law – and many a right wing blowhard radio commentator.

    In reality the difference between an uninvited hostile intruder in your house, and uninvited hostile intruders breaking into your country, is only one of degree.
    Both are harmful and aggressive, with no possible moral justification. Both wish to injure you, whether bodily or in terms of theft of what’s rightfully yours.

    An elementary conclusion, and pretty much basic to all systems of laws and government, or, at least, one would have thought.

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  147. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Shockingly, I can not want to live with them without wanting to murder them. This isn't a war. There is no reason to end their lives. Stop acting tough behind a screen.

    It *is* a war. A slow motion war being played out in real time.

    In the same way as an influenza infection is a war between the body’s immune system and a virus which wishes to eat up the victim’s body from within.

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  148. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @beau
    'in a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act'.

    Thilo Sarrazin has told the truth. the reaction reveals we are, indeed, in a 'time of universal deceit'. all should bear this in mind as 'official pronouncements' come like water over a fall and, since all are 'official', all are lies.

    muslims are being allowed into the west to do what muslims do: demand everything, never assimilate, institute violence and destroy all societies where they become the major player. WHY?

    The Economist.

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  149. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:

    In 18th and early 19th century England, the upper classes, the landlords, if you will, were terribly fond of hunting and shooting as pastimes.
    To indulge their fun, they fenced off vast averages of English countryside as private hunting estates, guarded by armed gents known as ‘gamekeepers’. At that time, England was already thickly peopled and mostly agrarian, the rural poor, destitute of land were severely in want of protein, and the ‘custom’ or rather crime, of ‘poaching’ a young deer or rabbit ‘for the pot’ on the lord’s estate was common amongst the poor.
    The 18th/19th century English parliament and legislator – usually held up as model of governance and common law – dominated as it was by landed interests was most savage on the poachers for what we would now think of as the most trivial of offences.

    ‘Transportation for life’ to ‘Van Dieman’s Land’ was a usual punishment, and the landlords were fully legally entitled – and universally did – set up hidden contrivances such as ‘spring guns’ – trip wire set firearms designed specifically to kill, and ‘man traps’ – jumbo sized jawed animal traps designed to permanently maim – at hidden locations throughout their estates to kill and injure poachers.

    All to protect a rabbit or grouse ‘from the pot’ and not the ‘sportsman’s’ bag.

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  150. sb says:
    @Anonymous

    While some scholars might put the blame on corrupt elites, the legacy of colonialism, or military intervention, Sarrazin singles out the malign effect of Islam as the sole source of their woes.
     
    If being colonized by a European power is so terrible, then why do European nations that were once colonized by other Europeans never seem to suffer any lasting ill effects?

    Ireland was a colony of the British Empire longer than anywhere else, yet is now as developed as the UK.

    Finland was part of the Swedish Empire for 600 years, then part of the Russian Empire for another century after that, but today is a nation most people on this planet would do anything to emigrate to.

    Don't even get me started about Poland.

    Non-white Singapore recovered from colonialism pretty damn quick.

    The list goes on, but I read about the legacy of colonialism about once a month, even when I'm trying not to do so.

    Taiwan and South Korea are also former colonies in Asia which have done pretty well

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  151. sb says:
    @attilathehen
    It seems cuck pope Frannie has been working with the Jews to flood Europe with Muslims. In the good old pre-Vatican II era, the pope would state that Islam is a Christian heresy. Remember when Frannie sucked the toe of some black Muslim immigrant on Holy Thursday?

    And now, Frannie is dealing with the homosexual priests. Jews had nothing to do with any of this.

    We really should ban the term Judeo Christian and start using the term Judeo Islamic .
    After all Judaism and Islam have a lot more in common with each other than either has with Christianity

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    Islam and Christianity both came from Judaism . The son of god was himself a Jew , the 10 commandments are from the Jewish bible , as well as the prohibition of homosexuality. Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd.
    , @attilathehen
    Good points. I've heard the term Graeco-Roman Christian as a description for the West. This makes more sense. Modern day Judaism has nothing to do with the Hebrew religion of the Old Testament. Islam is a Christian heresy.

    We are dealing with serious problems caused by the RCC and Zioevangizers. The RCC is done. Black/Asian priests-popes are not acceptable. The Zioevangizers have to be told that modern day "Jews" are not the chosen and not related to the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived. The West is a unique creation and civilization like no other.
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  152. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    What weapons did the Pilgrim fathers bring with them?

    If anyone's a coward it's you.

    I’m a coward for not wanting to murder unarmed migrants? K.

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  153. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @sb
    We really should ban the term Judeo Christian and start using the term Judeo Islamic .
    After all Judaism and Islam have a lot more in common with each other than either has with Christianity

    Islam and Christianity both came from Judaism . The son of god was himself a Jew , the 10 commandments are from the Jewish bible , as well as the prohibition of homosexuality. Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd.

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    @150 Anon[248]: "Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd."

    The Judaism of the Old Testament was already corrupted by the Pharisees in Jesus' time. The Judaism claimed (albeit often merely culturally) by the majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide is not based on the OT so much as it is on the Babylonian Talmud, which Orthodox and Chasidic Jews (who some churchians try to claim are "conservative" and thus putative allies) spend their lives studying and debating. Christianity is based on grace; modern Judaism is based on rules (many of which involve "tricking"God" or getting around various rabbis' interpretation of various rules). Tell me again how similar they are, for those of us who are not zionist churchians.
    , @sb
    Yes we all know that Jesus was Jewish and that there are three Abrahamic religions but what I'm talking of is the nature of God in the three religions -tough minded v tender minded -turn the other cheek v an eye for an eye,hate the sin love the sinner ?do unto others ...etc etc
    Plus, for the observant, following a detailed rule book which details how to behave in every aspect of life v relying on one's individual conscience
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  154. Saxon says:
    @HA
    "Today’s middle-east is peopled by the rape babies of Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula..."

    I'm not sure why you're telling me this. Even if that were true, you think Islam is not largely responsible for that?

    If you're trying to contradict me, stop making my case for me.

    Your case was some airy-fairy nonsense about culture, which has become a buzzword so odious that Hermann Göring’s saying about reaching for his revolver when he hears it is more apt today than when he said it. Today it’s said to be a sort of magic panacea that turns savages into Europeans upon touching our magic soil.

    Rome really wasn’t THAT much more advanced than its neighbors in Europe. They had aqueducts and some really nice stone masonry techniques, and definitely a lot better record-keeping. They still could not conquer very much Germanic territory nor hold it for very long so this idea that these people were like the caveman caricatures you see in history docos is kind of absurd on its face given what we know about the military capability of Romans at the time.

    Point being genes matter a lot more. If you don’t have the baseline, no amount of “inherited” (see; looted) knowledge of others matters. It’s why east Asians quite recently were able to do much with the western European base of knowledge but virtually no one else has been able to. The genes of those who created those ancient civilizations in the middle east were destroyed enough by dilution through rape that those people functionally don’t exist anymore.

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  155. @sb
    We really should ban the term Judeo Christian and start using the term Judeo Islamic .
    After all Judaism and Islam have a lot more in common with each other than either has with Christianity

    Good points. I’ve heard the term Graeco-Roman Christian as a description for the West. This makes more sense. Modern day Judaism has nothing to do with the Hebrew religion of the Old Testament. Islam is a Christian heresy.

    We are dealing with serious problems caused by the RCC and Zioevangizers. The RCC is done. Black/Asian priests-popes are not acceptable. The Zioevangizers have to be told that modern day “Jews” are not the chosen and not related to the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived. The West is a unique creation and civilization like no other.

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  156. 3g4me says:
    @Anon
    Islam and Christianity both came from Judaism . The son of god was himself a Jew , the 10 commandments are from the Jewish bible , as well as the prohibition of homosexuality. Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd.

    @150 Anon[248]: “Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd.”

    The Judaism of the Old Testament was already corrupted by the Pharisees in Jesus’ time. The Judaism claimed (albeit often merely culturally) by the majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide is not based on the OT so much as it is on the Babylonian Talmud, which Orthodox and Chasidic Jews (who some churchians try to claim are “conservative” and thus putative allies) spend their lives studying and debating. Christianity is based on grace; modern Judaism is based on rules (many of which involve “tricking”God” or getting around various rabbis’ interpretation of various rules). Tell me again how similar they are, for those of us who are not zionist churchians.

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    The Judaism claimed (albeit often merely culturally) by the majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide
     
    Ashkenazim are only part of worldwide Judaism.

    Babylonian Talmud, which Orthodox and Chasidic Jews (who some churchians try to claim are “conservative” and thus putative allies) spend their lives studying and debating
     
    The Babylonian talmud is one of many books studied by orthodox Jews. The old testament takes precedent over all.

    Christianity is based on grace;
     
    Its based on Judaism , Jesus was a Jew. There is no way around it . Larp like Vox all you want but it changes nothing.

    Tell me again how similar they are, for those of us who are not zionist churchians
     
    . By Jesus the son of gods own words :
    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
    Dont worry there is a larp for that too !!
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  157. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me
    @150 Anon[248]: "Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd."

    The Judaism of the Old Testament was already corrupted by the Pharisees in Jesus' time. The Judaism claimed (albeit often merely culturally) by the majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide is not based on the OT so much as it is on the Babylonian Talmud, which Orthodox and Chasidic Jews (who some churchians try to claim are "conservative" and thus putative allies) spend their lives studying and debating. Christianity is based on grace; modern Judaism is based on rules (many of which involve "tricking"God" or getting around various rabbis' interpretation of various rules). Tell me again how similar they are, for those of us who are not zionist churchians.

    The Judaism claimed (albeit often merely culturally) by the majority of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide

    Ashkenazim are only part of worldwide Judaism.

    Babylonian Talmud, which Orthodox and Chasidic Jews (who some churchians try to claim are “conservative” and thus putative allies) spend their lives studying and debating

    The Babylonian talmud is one of many books studied by orthodox Jews. The old testament takes precedent over all.

    Christianity is based on grace;

    Its based on Judaism , Jesus was a Jew. There is no way around it . Larp like Vox all you want but it changes nothing.

    Tell me again how similar they are, for those of us who are not zionist churchians

    . By Jesus the son of gods own words :
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
    Dont worry there is a larp for that too !!

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  158. sb says:
    @Anon
    Islam and Christianity both came from Judaism . The son of god was himself a Jew , the 10 commandments are from the Jewish bible , as well as the prohibition of homosexuality. Denying the commonality of Christianity and Judaism is absurd.

    Yes we all know that Jesus was Jewish and that there are three Abrahamic religions but what I’m talking of is the nature of God in the three religions -tough minded v tender minded -turn the other cheek v an eye for an eye,hate the sin love the sinner ?do unto others …etc etc
    Plus, for the observant, following a detailed rule book which details how to behave in every aspect of life v relying on one’s individual conscience

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