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The New York Times gets around to pointing out something I used to talk about a lot:

These 95 Apartments Promised Affordable Rent in San Francisco. Then 6,580 People Applied.

The nation’s housing policy for the poor can feel like a giant lottery. Sometimes it actually is a lottery.

Text by Emily Badger

May 12, 2018

“Affordable Housing Policy” in 21st Century America typically doesn’t mean policies that increase the overall supply of housing, thus moderating housing costs for most buyers and renters. Instead, it often means increasing costs of new development by reserving a certain number of units in a big new luxury development and then holding a lottery in which a handful of lucky lower income winners are handed, in effect, hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars while everybody else gets more or less nothing.

That’s how we Fight Inequality.

Similarly, Los Angeles has set aside a lot of money to Fight Homelessness by doing nice things for the Homeless. But nobody has quite explained, as far as I can tell, how providing accommodations to the Homeless is going to head off a flood of New Homeless into balmy Los Angeles from less climatically blessed parts of the country and world, especially if the government is going to put a roof over their heads for them.

My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

I suspect that will turn out to be a general trend: more and more people will attain various kinds of privileged status for themselves (and their descendants). All the TNC-type recent talk about White Privilege in FDR’s America, for instance, works to rationalize current and future identity-based privileges.

Left unchecked, human beings tend to develop convoluted systems of special rights and privileges. The now-fading modernist ideology of equal protection of the laws might perhaps be a hothouse flower that doesn’t flourish without constant care. One distinctive aspect of postmodern privileges is that they are justified in the name of equality, but the workings are not all that different from the premodern world.

 
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  1. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    How about a blog post on this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/democrats-partisanship-identity-politics.html

    Which Side Are You On?
    Thomas B. Edsall
    By Thomas B. Edsall

    Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C. on politics, demographics and inequality.

    May 10, 2018
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    Losing elections has gotten more emotionally taxing. Clinton partisans at the Javits Center on Nov. 8, 2016.CreditTodd Heisler/The New York Times
    Should taxes on households making $250,000 or more a year be raised? When you ask Democrats this question, you get a very interesting answer: Those on the bottom of the income distribution appear to want lower taxes on high earners than those on the top do.

    Among Democrats making less than $30,000, 48 percent say yes; among those making more than $75,000, 68 percent do, according to data provided to The Times by Bridget Johnson of the Pew Research Center. Among Democrats with high school degrees, 48 percent say yes; among those with college degrees, it’s 71 percent.

    Separately, John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, found in a January 2018 YouGov survey that 87 percent of Democrats from households making more than $120,000 annually support a tax hike on rich households.

    Two questions present themselves: Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?

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    • Replies: @gunner29

    Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?
     
    Publicly they support it; privately they're working to make sure it never happens. Every once in a while you'll see some hard core lefty with the IRS on their ass for tax evasion.
    , @DCThrowback
    The success of the (D) party means the High and the Low squeeze the middle. In the (D) party, who makes up 87% of (D)s who make more than $120K/year and want higher taxes?

    My guess includes: coastal libertines, lawyers, educational bureaucrats, teh gays, the talented tenth, and ((())) along w/ the venn diagrams that intersect among them all.
    , @anonymous
    Most well-off Democrats talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Bet the farm that when they did their returns they took advantage of every available loophole.
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  2. Carol says:

    How many homeless are registered sex or violent offenders? Those guys can’t live anywhere except trailer parks. Definitely not in subsidized lottery housing.

    Not to say that I am in favor of sex abuse or violence, of course.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
    , @Stan Adams
    Around here, they live in tent cities. One such encampment was cleared by police this weekend:
    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Police-Move-Remaining-Homeless-Sex-Offenders-Out-Of-Encampment-482451171.html
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  3. @Carol
    How many homeless are registered sex or violent offenders? Those guys can't live anywhere except trailer parks. Definitely not in subsidized lottery housing.

    Not to say that I am in favor of sex abuse or violence, of course.

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

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    • Replies: @Carol
    True. But I am so sick of pols pretending more subsidized housing will take care of the problem, when so many homeless have crim histories, bad credit and eviction histories, or are just plain incorrigible and can't maintain an apartment.

    It's the same situation everywhere.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    From my experience with homeless individuals who I've known personally, I'd have to say this is generally true.

    It's not nice to say, but most homeless people tend to be moochers and often even outright thieves. They will bleed you dry financially before moving on to their next victim. Many of them have no respect for property and often make their surrounding environment totally filthy. A fair percentage of them seem involved in illegal activities too.

    If you bring them into your life and your home, they'll outrageously tax your compassion and ruin the quality of your life. I'm not saying that we shouldn't help out the homeless in some ways (such as food donations or opening more shelters), but don't bring a homeless person into your home. It's almost always a huge mistake. The homeless will take maximum advantage of you.

    I base this off my experiences with homeless acquaintances who are all White (disproportionately Scots-Irish). I'd assume that with homeless Blacks, the problems are even worse.

    Conservatives always say the solution to homelessness is private charity. From my experience, the opposite is true. The homeless need help from government social workers to find shelter accomodation, sober up, get jobs, become financially independent, and stop taking advantage of people. The homeless should not be given help from private citizens. Private charity is seldomly effective and often ends up runing the charitable person/family in the process.
    , @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on."

    Bingo. That description fits one or two of the guys I grew up with, alas. I have a spare bedroom in my house, and I'd love to be able to help some homeless dude out with it. But I don't want my house thrashed, and my possessions ripped off, so....
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    True enough. Many of them are like the guy in this clip:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwP2vV6Wm1Y
    , @Corvinus
    Involuntary homeless? Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it, considering the myriad of issues this group has when it comes serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems. Now, is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    https://www.rcgov.org/index.php?option=com_docman&view=download&alias=826-5yrhomelessplan&category_slug=community-development&Itemid=149
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  4. Whiskey says: • Website

    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress.

    That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to “have illegals backs” and be part of “the Resistance” to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That’s privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema’s desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

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    Just admit it whiskey. Pat Buchanan was right.
    , @24AheadDotCom
    Trump & Becerra aren't really all that far apart. Trump wants to legalize 1.8 million but he'd probably go along with millions more. Becerra would legalize practically everyone. Trump's a savvy negotiator, so he'd probably agree to 10 million in exchange for promises that Congress would start neutralizing before the ink was even dry.

    Two smart alternatives to that:
    1. Point out to Becerra fans that he & Trump (and USChamber, Tyson Foods, & WalMart) aren't really that far apart. Ask them why Becerra is helping the USChamber get what they sorely want.
    2. Reverse that with Trump, using his proxies as leverage. Force, say, @mshields007 into either coming out strongly & sincerely against amnesty, or forever be known as someone who wants to give those like Becerra more power.

    Those are two smart things, so, based on years of experience with MAGA, expect them to keep on being the sucker cultists they've always been.

    As for the homeless, I suggest tuning in to John & Ken on KFI (available online too). They constantly punch way, way down at them and talk about them like they were Hutus and this was 1994. Also, they used to oppose amnesty but now they support it because the GWB/Obama amnesty is now called the Trump amnesty. If you find yourself doing things like them, you're doing it way wrong.

    This is a better way to do things. That would have made CAP (a pernicious thinktank) and Yglesias look bad, it would have helped reduce homelessness in that area, and it would have helped reduce illegal immigration. Not to mention sticking a finger in the eye of the NeoLiberal elites. Despite lots and lots of trying, cons never helped with that campaign. Now the same types act as fanboys for someone who's pushing a massive amnesty.
    , @Wilkey
    "...even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress. That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average."

    The powerful man will probably dump the mistress once he tires of her and her boobs start to sag a little, and especially if she presents him with a little, uh, present whom he'd rather not have to publicly acknowledge. Joe Average is far more likely to stay with her into old age, and if she really is quite pretty then he'll probably be Joe Above Average. Joe Above Average is usually quite proud to have her child.
    , @anon
    You need to get out more. Your involuntary celibacy won’t be solved by sitting in front of your computer night and day.

    It’s obvious from your posts that you haven’t got any for years
    , @anon
    Men today have girl friends. But the idea of a girl friend who supported in luxury or just middle class comfort by the boyfriend is obsolete.

    You just sit in front of your computer looking at porn all day. Your strange and unrealistic comments about women are the results
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  5. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    seemingly adverse

    The real purpose of progressive taxation is to restrict the number of middle class people who manage to build real wealth and join the ranks of the wealthy. The Bill Gateses aren’t worried about poor or working class people but the smarter middle class kids are a threat. Someone like Gates, whose father was an attorney, knows how to use the inevitable loopholes to aggressively get around taxation where the average midle class person just has H&R Block do their taxes and pays what they are supposed to.

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    I knew someone who worked with Bill Gates' mother's charities efforts. The way I understand it, most of his business practice is not that far from his Maternal Grandfather, who was a banker. His father were merely the working stiff corporate lawyer who married the masters daughter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates#Career

    Beyond the Seattle area, Gates was appointed to the board of directors of the national United Way in 1980, becoming the first woman to lead it in 1983. Her tenure on the national board's executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time. In 1980, she discussed her son's company with John Opel, a fellow committee member and the chairman of International Business Machines Corporation (IBM). Opel, by some accounts, mentioned Mrs. Gates to other IBM executives. A few weeks later, IBM took a chance by hiring Microsoft, then a small software firm, to develop an operating system for its first personal computer.[2]
     
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  6. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Apparent terror attack in France, knife, two dead, but weirdly, not much good information: an anon flying British colors explains –

    The new joint EU intelligence initiative laid out following the attacks in 2017, states that news coverage of terrorist attacks should be subdued and restricted.

    Police will regulate information dripped to the press. Online videos and images that are inflammatory will be removed for reviewing.

    The word ‘terrorist’ and ‘terrorism’ should be avoided, to remove the stigma of islamic extremism in western society, while acting to prevent further glorification and future radicalisation.

    Wondered why it has been quiet? Now you know.

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  7. Tiny Duck says:

    You guys REALLY need to watch Dear white people on Netflix

    It does a good job of explaining how white supremacy built our nation

    People of Color were milked milked not given houses not given jobs and dhandered

    It’s time the equity

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    • Replies: @Whatch
    Laughing to hard to finish the sentence...
    , @Dave from Oz
    Odd how white people "milking" POC was so necessary to build the USA, yet here in Oz we never had widespread legal slavery etc and still managed to create a flourishing 1st world state on earth's second-most uninhabitable continent.
    , @MBlanc46
    It’s time the silence for you, TD.
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  8. Carol says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    True. But I am so sick of pols pretending more subsidized housing will take care of the problem, when so many homeless have crim histories, bad credit and eviction histories, or are just plain incorrigible and can’t maintain an apartment.

    It’s the same situation everywhere.

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  9. 1661er says:
    @Anonymous

    seemingly adverse
     
    The real purpose of progressive taxation is to restrict the number of middle class people who manage to build real wealth and join the ranks of the wealthy. The Bill Gateses aren't worried about poor or working class people but the smarter middle class kids are a threat. Someone like Gates, whose father was an attorney, knows how to use the inevitable loopholes to aggressively get around taxation where the average midle class person just has H&R Block do their taxes and pays what they are supposed to.

    I knew someone who worked with Bill Gates’ mother’s charities efforts. The way I understand it, most of his business practice is not that far from his Maternal Grandfather, who was a banker. His father were merely the working stiff corporate lawyer who married the masters daughter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates#Career

    Beyond the Seattle area, Gates was appointed to the board of directors of the national United Way in 1980, becoming the first woman to lead it in 1983. Her tenure on the national board’s executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time. In 1980, she discussed her son’s company with John Opel, a fellow committee member and the chairman of International Business Machines Corporation (IBM). Opel, by some accounts, mentioned Mrs. Gates to other IBM executives. A few weeks later, IBM took a chance by hiring Microsoft, then a small software firm, to develop an operating system for its first personal computer.[2]

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  10. theMann says:

    For 2018 the tax burden for a single person will be:

    at $38,701 – $82, 500 computes $4453.50 + 22% of everything over $38, 701.

    There will no longer be a standard exemption. The Standard deduction will be $12,000.

    That single person will be paying 7.75% Fica\Medicare on every penny, AND 6% California income tax rate.

    Oh, AND Obama Care is still in Effect for 2018 so that will cost you around $800 A MONTH if you aren’t getting a subsidy, which you won’t be because those stop at 400% of Federal Poverty level.

    So, at $50, 701 of earnings, the individual tax bill is:

    22% Fed Income, 6% State income, 7.75% Fica\medicare, and an expected 9.71% for Obummer care, leaving a grand total of:

    45.46 % of your income being taken off the top, at less than 60k in earnings.

    But those malignant sh!tstains are going to give homeless people free housing.

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  11. San Fransisco should be forced to become 30% non-white and Asian by 2022, or lose all federal tax $. Preferably with poor blacks. Make em’ live by their own ethos.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    San Francisco is already 33% Asian according to the census. That however, is the Asians who fill out the census forms.

    Asians tend to not fill out census forms till the 4fth generation. So it’s probably at least 50%.
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  12. Thomas says:

    The long-term result is probably going to be choosing the “low income” to live in nice places like San Francisco the way the Ivy League chooses “underrepresented minorities”: handpicking and curating the best they can find (maybe “artists” of unspecified description who don’t make much money or people with mostly harmless mental or behavioral issues that make them interesting company even if they can’t keep a roof over their heads) while sending the rest off to places like Sacramento or Ferguson, Missouri. They’ll do this in the name of “inclusivity” and “diversity” but it’ll mostly be a case of keeping just enough but not too many raisins in the cookie. Part of the charm of living some place like San Francisco is even if you have to make $300k+ a year to be considered just “middle income,” and have to keep the hours to go with that, you’re still somehow able to share the city with people who’ve devoted more of their lives to having fun and “finding themselves,” such that the place doesn’t just turn completely into a bedroom community for Silicon Valley. San Francisco has been finding ways to make room for colorful eccentrics since Emperor Norton.

    The one thing nobody in coastal California wants is to let the place build up like Miami or Manhattan. That just wouldn’t do. People come to California for the sun, after all.

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    The one thing nobody in coastal California wants is to let the place build up like Miami or Manhattan. That just wouldn’t do. People come to California for the sun, after all.
     
    Malibu may have some royal residents soon, if that newest global power couple Harry and Meghan, Duke and Duchess Somethingorother, buy up some beachfront property. That should boost prices, increase paparazzi traffic and provide more opportunities for the connected servants and service-class folk. Will there be a lottery for footmen, er, footpersons and such?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    You don't come to San Francisco for the sun. It's called the "marine layer".

    They also will tell you it never rains in California, but Thomas, let me warn ya',
    it pours, man, it pours.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0

    Got on board a westbound seven forty-seven.
    Didn't think before deciding what to do.
    Oh, that talk of opportunities, TV breaks and movies
    rang true, sure rang true.


    Seems it never rains in southern California.
    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before.
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Out of work, I'm out of my head,
    out of self respect, I'm out of bread,
    I'm underloved, I'm underfed. I want to go home!
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Will you tell the folks back home I nearly made it?
    Had offers but didn't know which one to take.
    Please don't tell 'em how you found me.
    Don't tell 'em how you found me.
    Gimme a break, give me a break.


    Seems it never rains in southern California
    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Was that about our host getting dragged off the sidewalk back to the family in Chicago after his 1st stint of trying to break into the glamorous but exclusive HBD-blogging business?

    As it went for Mr. Sailer, the following song has a happier ending:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKV7PvXcWng
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  13. newrouter says:

    That article pointed to this page first:

    https://apps.urban.org/features/rental-housing-crisis-map/

    Where at the bottom is:


    ABOUT THIS MAP

    The figures in this analysis represent a best estimate of the affordable rental housing gap and federal assistance for extremely low-income (ELI) renter households at the county level in the United States. The data analyzed come from multiple sources: the American Community Survey (ACS) Public Use Microdata Sample from the Census (via the Integrated Public Use Microdata Series from the Minnesota Population Center), the US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD’s) Public and Indian Housing Information Center and Tenant Rental Assistance Certification System, the HUD Section 8 Income Limits, the US Department of Agriculture’s (USDA’s) Rural Housing Service and ACS pre-tabulated data from the Census. The data on HUD-assisted housing represent a best estimate of the total number of HUD-subsidized ELI households. We include only those programs for which we can obtain data from HUD—namely, Public Housing, Housing Choice Vouchers, Moderate Rehabilitation, and Section 8 New Construction, Substantial Rehabilitation, and other Multifamily—and only those recipients who are not rent-burdened.

    The data on rental housing programs funded through the USDA are counts of ELI households living in USDA Section 515 properties and receiving USDA Section 521 Rental Assistance.

    In a small number of counties, the analysis produces negative estimates for adequate, affordable, and available units when federal assistance is removed. These estimates are not negative in reality but are likely a result of sampling error from the ACS. To adjust for this error, we set the unassisted unit count to zero and adjust all affected variables accordingly. This adjustment affects only this small subset of counties and has no effect on the national estimates. For more detail on the methodology, click here.

    The Assisted Housing Initiative is a project of the Urban Institute, made possible by support from Housing Authority Insurance, Inc. (HAI, Inc.), to provide fact-based analysis about public and assisted housing. The views expressed in this and other Assisted Housing Initiative products are those of the authors and should not be attributed to the Urban Institute or HAI, Inc., their trustees, or their funders. Funders do not determine research findings or the insights and recommendations of Urban experts. Read our terms of service here.

    I think someone is messing with their rice bowl or pork trough.

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    Nobody mentioned AFFH yet?

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  15. Berkeley was considering tiny houses for homeless youths to be built on a rented site. All was well until the locals found out and now the project is off the table. Tiny houses look like my garden shed, but somehow cost $48,000 each to build. No plumbing or water but electricity, shared washrooms and lavatories on site. My Amish built sheds, I have two, cost less than $2000 each, delivered.

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    If there's an earthquake in the middle of the night and your shed collapses, it tends to be less of a thing than if your dwelling collapses on you whilst you sleep... I'm sure there are other reasons, but that has to be at least part of it.
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  16. @Buffalo Joe
    Berkeley was considering tiny houses for homeless youths to be built on a rented site. All was well until the locals found out and now the project is off the table. Tiny houses look like my garden shed, but somehow cost $48,000 each to build. No plumbing or water but electricity, shared washrooms and lavatories on site. My Amish built sheds, I have two, cost less than $2000 each, delivered.

    If there’s an earthquake in the middle of the night and your shed collapses, it tends to be less of a thing than if your dwelling collapses on you whilst you sleep… I’m sure there are other reasons, but that has to be at least part of it.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    A stick-built framed house or shed, tiny or big, held together as it is with metal pins at the joints is very resistant to catastrophic damage by earthquake. Generally, they don't collapse, bend but don't break, with the sticks pivoting about the joints as they do. Persons in such homes survive while people in unreinforced masonry homes are found crushed in the rubble, which is why earthquakes result in high death tolls in places with inadequate or unenforced building standards such as Latin America.
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  17. If Steve wrote about this, I missed it, but back in March a judge in Seattle ruled that if a person is living in a vehicle parked on a street, cops can’t tow it.

    He had been living in his 2000 GMC pickup, parked on a side street, but the city of Seattle towed it because Long had violated a city rule that requires vehicles be moved every 72 hours.

    That impound set up an unusual court ruling Friday that advocates for homeless people and the city both say could have broad implications on the crisis of homelessness.

    King County Superior Court Judge Catherine Shaffer ruled that the city’s impoundment of Long’s truck violated the state’s homestead act — a frontier-era law that protects properties from forced sale — because he was using it as a home.

    More than 2,300 people were living in their vehicles on the night of King County’s 2017 homeless point-in-time count — 20 percent of the county’s homeless population.

    Police and parking-enforcement officers could now find themselves in a bind if they can’t definitively determine whether a vehicle is simply abandoned or is someone’s home, said Assistant City Attorney Michael Ryan.

    By following the logic of Long’s legal team, Ryan argued in court Friday, “Someone could park right here in front of the court house on Fifth Avenue, and we couldn’t tow them, or if we did tow them, we couldn’t put them in impound. We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”

    “We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”

    Reportedly the local authorities would like to appeal the ruling, but are afraid that they’ll lose, creating a precedent that covers the entire state.

    It will be interesting to see what happens. I’m sure that if it does somehow stand, TPTB will find some way to make sure that the homeless aren’t able to park their vehicles in the nicest neighborhoods.

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    Surely the obvious solution is to encourage the homeless to park their cars outside the judge's house.
    , @BenKenobi
    I live in my car. My car is my home -- that shouldn't be open liquor. Cops pull you over in your house, how can that be open liquor?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW4JRSzPJQo
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  18. Ivy says:
    @Thomas
    The long-term result is probably going to be choosing the "low income" to live in nice places like San Francisco the way the Ivy League chooses "underrepresented minorities": handpicking and curating the best they can find (maybe "artists" of unspecified description who don't make much money or people with mostly harmless mental or behavioral issues that make them interesting company even if they can't keep a roof over their heads) while sending the rest off to places like Sacramento or Ferguson, Missouri. They'll do this in the name of "inclusivity" and "diversity" but it'll mostly be a case of keeping just enough but not too many raisins in the cookie. Part of the charm of living some place like San Francisco is even if you have to make $300k+ a year to be considered just "middle income," and have to keep the hours to go with that, you're still somehow able to share the city with people who've devoted more of their lives to having fun and "finding themselves," such that the place doesn't just turn completely into a bedroom community for Silicon Valley. San Francisco has been finding ways to make room for colorful eccentrics since Emperor Norton.

    The one thing nobody in coastal California wants is to let the place build up like Miami or Manhattan. That just wouldn't do. People come to California for the sun, after all.

    The one thing nobody in coastal California wants is to let the place build up like Miami or Manhattan. That just wouldn’t do. People come to California for the sun, after all.

    Malibu may have some royal residents soon, if that newest global power couple Harry and Meghan, Duke and Duchess Somethingorother, buy up some beachfront property. That should boost prices, increase paparazzi traffic and provide more opportunities for the connected servants and service-class folk. Will there be a lottery for footmen, er, footpersons and such?

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  19. newrouter says:

    “SAN FRANCISCO — For $1,200 a month, Patricia Torres and her family were renting a bedroom, a share of time in the bathroom, one vegetable drawer and one shelf in the fridge, and two cupboards over the stove. They rented not so much a home as a fraction of one.”

    We know Pat T has $1200/month for rent. How they make money is not stated. Ok. They make at least $14,400/yr. California minimum wage @ $11.00 . Solution: 1) Get rid of “No Build Housing” policies; 2) Make more than minimum wage.

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    The minimum wage in SF is $14. On July 1 it will go to $15 then increase with CPI. There is also an employer health insurance mandate, with a penalty of about 3% of payroll. So the effective minimum wage with this added will be $15.45.
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  20. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:

    In post-involuntary commitment mental hospital California half the homeless or schizophrenic.

    Speaking of privileged status … Proposition 13. Are you a beneficiary of that, Steve? I voted for the damn thing thinking that I was sending a message to the politicians lower taxes, and it would be repealed in a few years and replaced by something rational.

    It’s not only still there, lo these many decades later, but people advocate for the right to pass it to new properties when seniors move (already implemented, to a degree) or to their children, as a sort of hereditary title of nobility. Proposition 13 will never die unless courts belatedly decide it’s against the California constitution. Since the California constitution clocks in at 26,346 pages long, it might be a plausible excuse to say there is something in there that nobody ever noticed over the decades.

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    Isn't Proposition 13 the California version of New York rent control?

    You could say that property taxes are not rent, but then again, what property tax "buys" the homeowner is fire fighting, police and garbage collection, public schools and the welfare safety net that pay off your neighbors from turning on you and taking your belongings or worse. High property taxes to fund more expensive schools to some extent keeps people one is concerned about in other neighborhoods.

    So yes, the property tax is a "taking" like every other tax levied by government, but you could also view your local government as a kind of Neighborhood Association with guns and property tax is them collecting from you a fee to live where you do.

    You have the situation where people who don't move see their property tax "controlled" in the way that NYC put caps on rent increases to the extent that you had people paying insanely low rent compared to neighbors, and when someone wanted to "do something to a building" (turning it condo, demolish it and build a luxury high rise), there was all manner of difficulty getting that last old lady to leave?

    Doesn't Proposition 13 in turn slow down the turnover of property, say, getting people not earning go-go Silicon Valley tech salaries to move Inland or to Nevada or gosh forbid Texas so that a smart STEM person from Mumbai can replace you in where you live? Sure, a person could cash in by selling their place and moving to a part of the U.S. with less insane valuations, but why would they when the property certainly isn't going to lose value, even if they don't keep up the repairs and the property taxes are frozen at affordable levels?


    So Proposition 13 isn't just about starving the government for revenue (or rent control about starving the landlord for income), it is more about immobilizing who lives there to the detriment of changing economic conditions?


    By the way, I voted for it as a university student before moving back East. Muhhahahaha!
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  21. istevefan says:
    @Whiskey
    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man's mistress.

    That's a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to "have illegals backs" and be part of "the Resistance" to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That's privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema's desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

    Just admit it whiskey. Pat Buchanan was right.

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    Pat Buchanan should've been president.

    "Make America first again."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBm7SZ_WjYY
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  22. songbird says:

    Make it into a TV show like “Queen for a Day.” That way you can get more bang for the buck.

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  23. @Whiskey
    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man's mistress.

    That's a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to "have illegals backs" and be part of "the Resistance" to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That's privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema's desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

    Trump & Becerra aren’t really all that far apart. Trump wants to legalize 1.8 million but he’d probably go along with millions more. Becerra would legalize practically everyone. Trump’s a savvy negotiator, so he’d probably agree to 10 million in exchange for promises that Congress would start neutralizing before the ink was even dry.

    Two smart alternatives to that:
    1. Point out to Becerra fans that he & Trump (and USChamber, Tyson Foods, & WalMart) aren’t really that far apart. Ask them why Becerra is helping the USChamber get what they sorely want.
    2. Reverse that with Trump, using his proxies as leverage. Force, say, @mshields007 into either coming out strongly & sincerely against amnesty, or forever be known as someone who wants to give those like Becerra more power.

    Those are two smart things, so, based on years of experience with MAGA, expect them to keep on being the sucker cultists they’ve always been.

    As for the homeless, I suggest tuning in to John & Ken on KFI (available online too). They constantly punch way, way down at them and talk about them like they were Hutus and this was 1994. Also, they used to oppose amnesty but now they support it because the GWB/Obama amnesty is now called the Trump amnesty. If you find yourself doing things like them, you’re doing it way wrong.

    This is a better way to do things. That would have made CAP (a pernicious thinktank) and Yglesias look bad, it would have helped reduce homelessness in that area, and it would have helped reduce illegal immigration. Not to mention sticking a finger in the eye of the NeoLiberal elites. Despite lots and lots of trying, cons never helped with that campaign. Now the same types act as fanboys for someone who’s pushing a massive amnesty.

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  24. @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    From my experience with homeless individuals who I’ve known personally, I’d have to say this is generally true.

    It’s not nice to say, but most homeless people tend to be moochers and often even outright thieves. They will bleed you dry financially before moving on to their next victim. Many of them have no respect for property and often make their surrounding environment totally filthy. A fair percentage of them seem involved in illegal activities too.

    If you bring them into your life and your home, they’ll outrageously tax your compassion and ruin the quality of your life. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t help out the homeless in some ways (such as food donations or opening more shelters), but don’t bring a homeless person into your home. It’s almost always a huge mistake. The homeless will take maximum advantage of you.

    I base this off my experiences with homeless acquaintances who are all White (disproportionately Scots-Irish). I’d assume that with homeless Blacks, the problems are even worse.

    Conservatives always say the solution to homelessness is private charity. From my experience, the opposite is true. The homeless need help from government social workers to find shelter accomodation, sober up, get jobs, become financially independent, and stop taking advantage of people. The homeless should not be given help from private citizens. Private charity is seldomly effective and often ends up runing the charitable person/family in the process.

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    Why not just draft them?

    Let's create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. Most homeless are genuinely crazy and it would be a way to put them in a de facto nuthouse with the ACLU having no say about it. Those capable of working would get tired of this and just get a job and a place to live.
    , @Benjaminl
    A commenter here once recommended Marvin Olasky's book The Tragedy of American Compassion for some historical context (review by Daniel Bazikian; emphasis added).

    https://fee.org/articles/book-review-the-tragedy-of-american-compassion-by-marvin-olasky/

    Other strong concepts also emanated from this theistic outlook: Giving was to be done not mechanically but from a spirit of genuine love; almoners of charity were to acquaint themselves personally with the poor, so as to discern better who deserved aid and who did not; moral and spiritual guidance was to be dispensed along with material aid; because men’s sinfulness often prompted them to abuse charity, donors were advised to withhold it at times; and giving was done in such a way as to strengthen and encourage family life. Charity of this type not only characterized the predominantly Protestant population, but also the small Catholic and even smaller Jewish minorities as well...

    Up to the 1840s, a general consensus still prevailed regarding society’s treatment of the poor. Charity was handled mainly through private efforts. Government support of the poor was limited. The English system of indiscriminate state aid to the poor was scorned as degrading to the recipients.

    That decade witnessed the first serious challenge to this consensus. Horace Greeley, founder and editor of the New York Tribune as well as a theological Universalist and utopian socialist, believed in the natural goodness of man, as well as the corrupting influence of capitalist society. According to Greeley, every person had a right to both eternal salvation and temporal prosperity, and poverty was to be alleviated by redistributing the wealth to everyone without making moral distinctions as to the recipients.

    Later in the century came the attack of the Social Darwinists, who viewed the struggle within society in terms of the survival of the economic fittest. Character, they contended, was hereditary, and attempting to lift those poor souls from the grips of vice and poverty was therefore useless. Both of these attacks were ably and articulately confronted by those holding Christian views of charity.
     
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  25. @istevefan
    Just admit it whiskey. Pat Buchanan was right.

    Pat Buchanan should’ve been president.

    “Make America first again.”

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    Trump used the Buchanan / Perot platform to win in 2016....but such an agenda was not a winner for Buchanan in 1992 , he failed to beat Bush in the GOP primaries and obtained just 23% of the GOP primary votes. I suppose if Buchanan had won the GOP primary in 1992 he may well have defeated Clinton, because Perot would have supported Buchanan....but in 1992 the GOP embraced open borders, having just passed the Immigration Act of 1990 which increased legal immigration by 100% , created the Diversity Lottery and the H1B visa program while expanding the 1986 amnesty program...
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  26. peterike says:

    How many of those 6,580 applicants were decidedly un-poor Asian hucksters looking to scam a cheap apartment? Answer: a lot.

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    Asians seem pretty good at getting their elderly parents SSI, public housing, and food stamps. Even if the family is wealthy.
    , @Anon
    I’d say about 6,000 of them are Asian hucksters. They will continue living in their Richmond district 2 bedrooms house over a garage with 30 relatives.

    And they will rent out that low income apartment for maybe $5,000 a month while paying the housing authority $400 a month.

    Speaking of Chinese, here is a very common scam.

    The family owns Songs sweatshop. Sometimes it’s a real business, sometimes not. The family creates say 20 ghost employees. The family pays into the state unemployment fund for the ghost employees. The Songs know exactly how much to claim the ghost employee earns to get the maximum benefit when the ghost employee is laid off because of “ lack of work”

    Being Chinese, the Songs have good quality fake Id for the ghost employees.

    Nowadays filing for unemployment is all done online and the checks arrive. I think they have to go just once in person to the unemployment office.

    In the old days a Song family member had to go to the unemployment office in person to sign up and turn in the list of places they applied for work

    After the ghost employee gets all the unemployment possible, the ghost employee goes back to work and the Song family company sends unemployment contributions again.

    Every few years the name of Song Sweatshop is changed to Wong, Fong, Chong.

    This has been going on since unemployment was created in the 1930s I think. Used to be news articles every few years about how some business scammed the unemployment benefits. But since about 1995 it’s all covered up to avoid offense to the model minority.

    Another minor scan is their dry cleaners. They don’t send the clothes to the factory where they are dipped in the cleaning fluid. They just iron the dirty clothes and give them back to the customer.

    Gas pumps that charge a gallon more than is actually pumped? Routine!!

    Crab salad that’s actually chopped halibut? Routine since they took over the tourist trap restaurants.

    And because they are not White they get all the SBA loans and tax exemptions for their crooked businesses


    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.

    The Persian Armenian Russian Israeli Indian Paki entrepreneurs probably do it too.

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  27. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Can you make sense of this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/style/who-are-my-real-friends.html

    Are My Friends Really My Friends?

    The quantity of human interactions has increased, but the quality is arguably diminished.

    By Teddy Wayne

    May 12, 2018
    “You’ve got enough friends, a new one is bad for you,” says a petulant character named Max in “Kicking and Screaming,” Noah Baumbach’s 1995 cult movie, when a member of his post-collegiate quadrumvirate attempts to introduce a fifth guy. “You start spreading your affection around and it runs thin, believe me.”

    The two-decade-old reference may feel dated, but consider the period the film was set in and the ways its characters interact. Landline conversations are routine. Lengthy answering-machine messages and postal mail play a significant emotional role. Friends gather at bars with no external distractions and little chance of making plans with other people on the fly.

    It seems antique and quaint compared to how 20-somethings now socialize. Gone are focused landline calls, long recorded voice messages, snail mail (perhaps even long emails). Nights out with friends are interrupted by the immediate posting of frequently taken photos and other attention-diverting phone applications.

    In hindsight, the movie’s time — the ’90s — was the last decade that had relatively few technological obstacles to traditional levels of friendship “thickness.” Social media and smartphones spread affection around more easily; friendships may run thin.

    “My net is cast wider” now than in the past, said Lucy Schiller, 29, a recent graduate of the nonfiction writing program at the University of Iowa. “It’s a lot easier for me to engage casually with a greater number of people. I don’t know if this is a byproduct of aging, but it seems like the parameters of friendships have changed. I’d like to think they involve long walks and talking at length in person and involving yourself in shared activities, but at this point it feels like those structures have been relegated to the past and we’re skating along through very fun but very lightweight interactions.”

    Two statistics from the General Social Survey in 1985 and 2004 are often invoked regarding the influence of new technology on close friendships and social isolation. The average number of confidants people said they had dropped from 2.94 to 2.08 over that time, and the number of those who had none at all went from one-tenth to nearly one-quarter.

    Taken on their own, these numbers are a damning indictment of internet-era connections, even if social networking was in its MySpace-Friendster infancy in 2004 and the iPhone did not exist.

    But in 2011, a team of researchers at the University of Pennsylvania headed by Keith N. Hampton found evidence that “close social relations do not attrite with internet use and that internet users tend to have larger personal networks,” and that social isolation was actually lower in 2008 than in 1985.

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    The researchers also determined that the network size of “core discussion confidants” is most strongly associated with two popular social media activities: instant messaging and uploading photos. People who have a mobile phone and engage in these activities have a network 34 percent larger than those who don’t.

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    Other papers by Dr. Hampton argue that the internet and social media can facilitate offline social connections. One states that “internet use may be associated with higher levels of participation in traditional settings that support the formation of diverse networks,” such as visiting public spaces or knowing more people in the neighborhood. Another suggests that frequent Facebook users have more close and more diverse social ties than the average American — though roughly the same number of overall connections.

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    These findings jibe with the research of Robin Dunbar, a professor of evolutionary psychology at Oxford. He has theorized that “group size” of both humans and nonhuman primates — the number of people (or, say, chimpanzees) one can maintain social cohesion with — correlates to “relative neocortical volume,” or the ratio of the neocortex to the rest of the brain.

    The oft-cited “Dunbar’s number” is an average of 150 casual friends for humans (really, a range of 100 to 200). These are the people who might come to your wedding or funeral.

    Within this roster, there are embedded layers of intimacy that grow smaller by a factor of three: 50 of these make the next cut to buddies, about 15 are good friends, around five confidants form our circle of trust, and finally we have an average of 1.5 people we deem our closest relationships. (Conversely, we can keep track of roughly 500 acquaintances and 1,500 faces we can match to names.)

    One may presume that boasting thousands of social media friends or followers would inflate Dunbar’s number, but Dr. Dunbar said that is “absolutely not at all” the case. In a recent paper analyzing Facebook and Twitter data, and another one looking at mobile phone calls, his team determined that people still “showed the same frequencies of interaction as in face-to-face relationships” for the corresponding layers of intimacy, he said.

    However, digital media channels “don’t distinguish between quality of relationships,” he said. “They allow you to maintain relationships that would otherwise decay. Our data shows that if you don’t meet people at the requisite frequencies, you’ll drop down through the layers until eventually you drop out of the 150 and become ‘somebody you once knew.’ What we think is happening is that, if you don’t meet sometime face to face, social media is slowing down the rate of decay.”

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    The result, then, can be a glut of old acquaintances that are not as easily forgotten online and which therefore stifle the development of newer, in-person friendships.

    “Your available social time is limited, and you can either spend it face to face or on the internet,” Dr. Dunbar said. If it’s spent with people who are “remote,” whether geographically or just because they’re represented digitally, “you don’t have time to invest in new relationships where you are.”

    Whither Rapport?
    People from our past that we no longer directly communicate with but who are active on social networks can “colonize valuable space in your mind, and you think about them instead of about your close friends,” said Carlin Flora, the author of “Friendfluence: The Surprising Ways Friends Make Us Who We Are.”

    “If my high-school friend posts frequently about her life, it’s almost like it’s celebrity gossip, or it’s akin to me watching a reality show about her,” Ms. Flora said. “Our brains get confused about whether we know celebrities; if we see someone a lot, our brain thinks we know them.”

    Of course, thinking we know people through status updates (or paparazzi photos) is not the same as spending time with them, just as dashing off “Happy birthday!” on someone’s Facebook wall has less emotional impact than saying it in person or over the phone.

    Ms. Flora did note the advantages of digital media for introverts and people susceptible to loneliness, namely that it is less risky and enervating to make contact through a text or post than through a phone call or an invitation to meet.

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    With this lower threshold for maintaining friendships, some people strongly favor mediated interactions over in-person interactions, especially millennials accustomed to constant communication via devices.

    Ms. Schiller, the Iowa graduate, goes out often with friends at night but also subsists on a digital diet of texting (heavily enough that she recently strained her thumb), Google Chat and social media. She said she finds conversation on Google Chat banal, likely because she tends to use it as she multitasks on her computer, but sometimes opens up more to people via the confessional space of a text message than she might across a table.

    As with many millennials, talking on the phone was never a big part of her routine and is now reserved for the rarest of occasions. “I’ve asked people over Gchat if they want to talk on the phone, and they hem and haw,” she said. “It can feel draining — there isn’t a casual component to it.”

    There are physiological benefits to face-to-face encounters, however, that do not accrue to digital interactions or the phone. “Your blood pressure goes down, you have synchrony, you mimic your friend’s posture unconsciously,” Ms. Flora said. “It’s a rapport humans have developed over thousands of years, and you don’t get that when you only follow someone on social media.” (Skype et al. can be comparable, though, Dr. Dunbar observed.)

    But now it’s common for this synchrony to be disrupted in person, thanks to the ubiquity of the smartphone. Imagine Edward Hopper’s 1942 painting “Nighthawks” recomposed today, with the three late-night diners and counterman all gazing at screens.

    “If there’s a bunch of guys at a bar together and they’re all on their phones,” Dr. Dunbar said, “they’re not doing much to trigger the endorphin system to create the sense of bondedness.”

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    I have been thinking that somebody should write about the non-political, non-journalistic aspect of two rival echo chambers, {4chan and this place and various dissident hideouts} on the one hand, and NPR's explicitly non-news features on the other.
    Why does NPR have several features which are not news at all (and, in the case of Snap Judgment, make a point of boasting about not being the news on every show)? I believe that these storytelling features are an attempt by the establishment to do more expensively what I see all the time on 4chan (and sometimes on here): attestations of community.
    If you learn to filter through the trash on the chans you will sometimes see heartfelt protests of brotherhood, genuinely good advice, etc; at all levels people are directly reinforcing each others' experience.
    I was listening to a Moth Radio Hour show about a church service-invading homosexual who lived in a graveyard crypt with a much younger "friend"* and thinking, what the hell is this? And then: I know what this is. This is exactly the same thing as a 4chan feels thread, only for [bigoted language]. I was helped to this conclusion by noticing that several Moth stories prior to the graveyard crazies were self-confession sessions by parents of "transgender children." There's more than one of those. A person could get the impression that it's more common than it actually is. The point of this programming is normalization. If you listened to a lot of Moth, Snap, This American Life (ostensibly journalistic but often overlaps here), TED Radio Hour, RadioLab (Radiolab?) PANCAKES! [wait, are they discussing RadioLab?] but I want PANCAKES! {RadioLab, what's that?}, etc, then you have Jon Oliver's weltanschauung Potyomkinned to at least the painted horizon.

    *George Dawes Green, founder and guru of the Moth. The single most worrying presentation is fittingly offered by the master.

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  28. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    From my experience with homeless individuals who I've known personally, I'd have to say this is generally true.

    It's not nice to say, but most homeless people tend to be moochers and often even outright thieves. They will bleed you dry financially before moving on to their next victim. Many of them have no respect for property and often make their surrounding environment totally filthy. A fair percentage of them seem involved in illegal activities too.

    If you bring them into your life and your home, they'll outrageously tax your compassion and ruin the quality of your life. I'm not saying that we shouldn't help out the homeless in some ways (such as food donations or opening more shelters), but don't bring a homeless person into your home. It's almost always a huge mistake. The homeless will take maximum advantage of you.

    I base this off my experiences with homeless acquaintances who are all White (disproportionately Scots-Irish). I'd assume that with homeless Blacks, the problems are even worse.

    Conservatives always say the solution to homelessness is private charity. From my experience, the opposite is true. The homeless need help from government social workers to find shelter accomodation, sober up, get jobs, become financially independent, and stop taking advantage of people. The homeless should not be given help from private citizens. Private charity is seldomly effective and often ends up runing the charitable person/family in the process.

    Why not just draft them?

    Let’s create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. Most homeless are genuinely crazy and it would be a way to put them in a de facto nuthouse with the ACLU having no say about it. Those capable of working would get tired of this and just get a job and a place to live.

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    I've often thought that barracks on the edge of town with enforced discipline is one remedy.

    The specter of internment camps is a buzz kill; plus the usual dysfunction inherent in any kind of incarceration.
    , @The Man From K Street

    Let’s create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. 
     
    Not really feasible. Now, Steve has several times advocated for something like this, some kind of uniformed, unarmed paramilitary "Service Corps" or civil guard that would, I dunno, pick up empty beer cans in Yosemite. But, citing some personal interactions he and other commenters have had, the idea is for such a service branch is for young, underclass men who actually do want, and look forward to, the discipline and pride that come with military life, but realize to their embarrassment when they try to enlist in the actual Armed Forces, that they don't make the IQ cut-off.

    It just won't work for so many of the kind of homeless people you're talking about. Even at the height of the Depression, the Civilian Conservation Corps and other make-work quasi-military programs back then, didn't take just anyone. If you were what they called a "vagrant," and pretty clearly mentally off in some serious ways, they knew you wouldn't add any value and in fact would probably be a retardant to those who did qualify mentally despite their lack of brains.

    The one time in history that the US Government *really* had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and throw out all fail safes in desperation for manpower--about 16 months from mid-1943 to the fall of '44, the results were disastrous--that was how the Army got stuck with the Louis Tills and Eddie Sloviks of the world. By the end of '44/start of '45 the birth cohort coming online for the draft was larger, and the military got the breathing space to get back to bei g more selective.

    , @bartok

    give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework
     
    Yup. Workhouses work and social work doesn't. (Then again, social work may never have been meant to work, rather to be a state-funded thorn in the bourgeoisie's side. A proto-Cloward-Piven).

    Same with outpatient care vs. asylums. The left shut down the asylums claiming we would get more safety and less spending; we got the reverse.
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  29. @Thomas
    The long-term result is probably going to be choosing the "low income" to live in nice places like San Francisco the way the Ivy League chooses "underrepresented minorities": handpicking and curating the best they can find (maybe "artists" of unspecified description who don't make much money or people with mostly harmless mental or behavioral issues that make them interesting company even if they can't keep a roof over their heads) while sending the rest off to places like Sacramento or Ferguson, Missouri. They'll do this in the name of "inclusivity" and "diversity" but it'll mostly be a case of keeping just enough but not too many raisins in the cookie. Part of the charm of living some place like San Francisco is even if you have to make $300k+ a year to be considered just "middle income," and have to keep the hours to go with that, you're still somehow able to share the city with people who've devoted more of their lives to having fun and "finding themselves," such that the place doesn't just turn completely into a bedroom community for Silicon Valley. San Francisco has been finding ways to make room for colorful eccentrics since Emperor Norton.

    The one thing nobody in coastal California wants is to let the place build up like Miami or Manhattan. That just wouldn't do. People come to California for the sun, after all.

    You don’t come to San Francisco for the sun. It’s called the “marine layer”.

    They also will tell you it never rains in California, but Thomas, let me warn ya’,
    it pours, man, it pours.

    Got on board a westbound seven forty-seven.
    Didn’t think before deciding what to do.
    Oh, that talk of opportunities, TV breaks and movies
    rang true, sure rang true.

    Seems it never rains in southern California.
    Seems I’ve often heard that kind of talk before.
    It never rains in California, but girl, don’t they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.

    Out of work, I’m out of my head,
    out of self respect, I’m out of bread,
    I’m underloved, I’m underfed. I want to go home!
    It never rains in California, but girl, don’t they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.

    Will you tell the folks back home I nearly made it?
    Had offers but didn’t know which one to take.
    Please don’t tell ‘em how you found me.
    Don’t tell ‘em how you found me.
    Gimme a break, give me a break.

    Seems it never rains in southern California
    Seems I’ve often heard that kind of talk before
    It never rains in California, but girl, don’t they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.

    Was that about our host getting dragged off the sidewalk back to the family in Chicago after his 1st stint of trying to break into the glamorous but exclusive HBD-blogging business?

    As it went for Mr. Sailer, the following song has a happier ending:

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    You don’t come to San Francisco for the sun. It’s called the “marine layer”.
     
    That's a few months out of the year (California's notorious "June gloom"), and it rarely lasts all day. November through March, anyone who's lived anywhere else knows the difference, even in San Francisco.
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  30. When GOVERNMENT is Left unchecked, human beings tend to develop convoluted systems of special rights and privileges.

    FIFY, again. Really, could this kind of thing happen without government intervention?

    I experienced rent control some years back, and the market was so distorted as to be ridiculous. 10 people were on the porch an hour or two after the ad came out.

    “Yeah, of course, no pets. What’s your favorite color?”
    “Blue.”
    “Like, navy blue, or sky blue, or what?
    “Yeah, sky blue.”
    “Naah, thanks for coming out here this early in the morning. We’ve got a lot of other people here to interview.”

    Free markets rule!

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  31. @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

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    It would be cool if we could avoid talking about unpleasant truths like this, unfortunately the left seeks to falsely blame all the nation's problems on whitey, and demand we both pay for ineffective cures and curse ourselves and our ancestors for our supposedly malevolently oppressive natures.
    , @Bill P
    Nothing mean about telling the truth. I had a close family member who was homeless for a time. This was painful for me, but there was no way I'd take him in because he would have ruined my life. If the opportunity had presented itself, I'm sure he could have rationalized perpetrating some fraud to get me thrown out so that he could take over my place. He was smart enough to pull something like that off, although in practice his drinking tended to thwart any plans that required sustained effort.

    If you don't personally know anyone like that I imagine it's hard to believe that they exist. I remember reading a local newspaper report about some kid who called the police, saying that his father had stolen his banking and credit info and cleaned him out. Naturally, the kid was very upset. So what did the cops do? They hauled the kid off to the psych ward for an evaluation, thinking he must be paranoid and delusional. What kind of parent would do that, right? Well, turned out the kid was not crazy, and his father had in fact ripped him off. These people do exist, and behavior like that is behind a lot of hard luck stories.

    It's better to be honest and clear minded about the reality of human misery. If you know what you're dealing with, it's a lot easier to come up with effective harm reduction practices. For example, if you know they're going to lie, cheat and steal, you know better how to help them without being conned yourself.
    , @Brutusale
    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn't even speak to his brother, whom he hadn't seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you'd have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you've done to them.
    , @bomag
    Dear Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative,

    It is rather mean of you to suggest Steve has a mean streak when he points out a rather obvious truth.

    Please relate your successful interventions in the lives of the homeless.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.
     
    Steve prefers unpleasant truths to pretty lies. That explains much of his relative popularity and fame.

    You're probably just some rich kid whose never known a homeless person. You'll deny it, of course, but you know I'm right.
    , @ic1000
    > That is pretty horrible Steve... Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It's easy, as organizations' priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you're going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor's remark.
    , @Rod1963
    Steve;s opinion is correct and isn't.

    There is a large segment of the homeless that are plain ass crazy, violent and prone to criminality. Many are also druggies and boozers. They don't want to he helped, they want to do their own thing and are dangerous. This is why they are on the street. Their families had enough of their crap and tossed them out.

    And yeah they end up in hospitals which they use as flop houses when the weather gets bad. I got stuck with several of them in my room and they are total thieving scum. They stink like trash, refuse to clean themselves, etc. I remember one young piece of street trash who thought it was funny the nurses were lecturing him about his blood sugar levels being sky high and being pre-diabetic.
    , @Olorin
    What Shartblue e-mail list or SKDKnickerbocker summer intern project did you unhibernate out of?

    Certainly not one that was ever shared with "the involuntary homeless."

    For those of us who HAVE experience of them, our host's comment, if anything, was kinder than deserved...and very much spot on, no matter how much distaste is your reaction and how much you project your own mean streak. More on the latter in a moment.

    I view "the involuntary homeless" as people who simply cannot adapt to domestication (the farming of humans, the conversion of humans into livestock--the Desert People formula of agricultural civilization, the urban hive, and all its falsity and niceties and soft plump ritual).

    While I loathe, detest, and can even hate individuals I've known in that "involuntary homeless" category, I can also view them rather dispassionately--as I conclude our host was doing. In another type of society they might do better, whatever that might mean. But agricultural civilization exists to make people soft, dumb, frightened, weak, and addicted/spendy/dependent. Not to make people hard, smart, bold, strong, and self sufficient.

    So "the involuntary homeless" in my experience tend not to be good enough at civilization's required behaviors to become all those soft and degenerate hive things. Or they become some while not becoming others (e.g., being too strong to get addicted to soft surburban life, so getting addicted to other things instead, or being weak in resolution but remarkably fearless).

    There is a strength in many of these people that startles me continually. They choose what is worst for themselves...but often survive for a remarkably long time in remarkably bitter circumstances. Long enough to push their choices in the faces of those who choose or excel at domestication.

    My solution involves finding them a place where they have to work to survive and they work out their own social systems. Where all charity and support are withdrawn and they can immerse themselves in their instincts and see what their strong fraction produces. Alas, since we're all out of Australias, and deeply infected with SJWs and church ladies or all sexes (more often none at all) and other virtue-vanity signallers, that isn't likely to happen. These individuals are, like blacks and the retarded, a mint of endless Altruism Currency for a certain kind of person to use to secure sinecures in the lucrative and foundation funded Bleeding Heart Class.

    Here's the more important point:

    The idea that it is "mean" to view other people realistically for what they are and how they act is the most vicious, dehumanizing, condescending, and and violent possible way to regard them.

    And that, ma'am, is YOUR mean streak. Enabling self-destruction while countersignalling anyone who observes it happening. Seeing a phenomenon but refusing to name it while punishing anyone who does. Holding yourself so far above The Unfortunate that you won't even let others speak frankly about them, from their experience, without spanking them for not being namby pamby.

    Like you pretend to be, when in fact you are feral and nasty in the extreme.

    More accurately, I suspect, you are sufficiently terrified of what "the involuntary homeless" are, in their nature, that you cannot allow anyone to name it bluntly. They do not respond to softness. You know that. And it shakes you to your roots, which is why you slap at our host...who you need not fear will slap you back.
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  32. Thomas says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You don't come to San Francisco for the sun. It's called the "marine layer".

    They also will tell you it never rains in California, but Thomas, let me warn ya',
    it pours, man, it pours.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0

    Got on board a westbound seven forty-seven.
    Didn't think before deciding what to do.
    Oh, that talk of opportunities, TV breaks and movies
    rang true, sure rang true.


    Seems it never rains in southern California.
    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before.
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Out of work, I'm out of my head,
    out of self respect, I'm out of bread,
    I'm underloved, I'm underfed. I want to go home!
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Will you tell the folks back home I nearly made it?
    Had offers but didn't know which one to take.
    Please don't tell 'em how you found me.
    Don't tell 'em how you found me.
    Gimme a break, give me a break.


    Seems it never rains in southern California
    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before
    It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours.


    Was that about our host getting dragged off the sidewalk back to the family in Chicago after his 1st stint of trying to break into the glamorous but exclusive HBD-blogging business?

    As it went for Mr. Sailer, the following song has a happier ending:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKV7PvXcWng

    You don’t come to San Francisco for the sun. It’s called the “marine layer”.

    That’s a few months out of the year (California’s notorious “June gloom”), and it rarely lasts all day. November through March, anyone who’s lived anywhere else knows the difference, even in San Francisco.

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  33. Dr. Doom says:

    The petri dish of affordable housing is running low. Now with six Trillion brown dullards expecting to come and breed, we need to accommodate them. The Commodus Commode Commune of the People (CCCP) demands that taxpayers pony up 777 Trillion Dollars in order to increase housing for the new people. With projections of population growth similar to the Chipotle Bacteria and the skills of locusts, it is imperative to shelve unimportant things on the agenda like science, technology and especially space programs.

    You ain’t gonna escape, Whitey.

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  34. @peterike
    How many of those 6,580 applicants were decidedly un-poor Asian hucksters looking to scam a cheap apartment? Answer: a lot.

    Asians seem pretty good at getting their elderly parents SSI, public housing, and food stamps. Even if the family is wealthy.

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    In most cultures, shamelessly gaming the system is pretty standard operating procedure for most people. Other than Anglo-Germanics and maybe the Japanese, the rest of the world is often shamelessly dishonest.

    This has all sorts of consequences.
    , @Gordo
    Welfare state or multiracial society?

    Pick one.
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  35. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Can you make sense of this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/style/who-are-my-real-friends.html

    Are My Friends Really My Friends?

    The quantity of human interactions has increased, but the quality is arguably diminished.

    By Teddy Wayne

    May 12, 2018
    “You’ve got enough friends, a new one is bad for you,” says a petulant character named Max in “Kicking and Screaming,” Noah Baumbach’s 1995 cult movie, when a member of his post-collegiate quadrumvirate attempts to introduce a fifth guy. “You start spreading your affection around and it runs thin, believe me.”

    The two-decade-old reference may feel dated, but consider the period the film was set in and the ways its characters interact. Landline conversations are routine. Lengthy answering-machine messages and postal mail play a significant emotional role. Friends gather at bars with no external distractions and little chance of making plans with other people on the fly.

    It seems antique and quaint compared to how 20-somethings now socialize. Gone are focused landline calls, long recorded voice messages, snail mail (perhaps even long emails). Nights out with friends are interrupted by the immediate posting of frequently taken photos and other attention-diverting phone applications.

    In hindsight, the movie’s time — the ’90s — was the last decade that had relatively few technological obstacles to traditional levels of friendship “thickness.” Social media and smartphones spread affection around more easily; friendships may run thin.


    “My net is cast wider” now than in the past, said Lucy Schiller, 29, a recent graduate of the nonfiction writing program at the University of Iowa. “It’s a lot easier for me to engage casually with a greater number of people. I don’t know if this is a byproduct of aging, but it seems like the parameters of friendships have changed. I’d like to think they involve long walks and talking at length in person and involving yourself in shared activities, but at this point it feels like those structures have been relegated to the past and we’re skating along through very fun but very lightweight interactions.”

    Two statistics from the General Social Survey in 1985 and 2004 are often invoked regarding the influence of new technology on close friendships and social isolation. The average number of confidants people said they had dropped from 2.94 to 2.08 over that time, and the number of those who had none at all went from one-tenth to nearly one-quarter.

    Taken on their own, these numbers are a damning indictment of internet-era connections, even if social networking was in its MySpace-Friendster infancy in 2004 and the iPhone did not exist.

    But in 2011, a team of researchers at the University of Pennsylvania headed by Keith N. Hampton found evidence that “close social relations do not attrite with internet use and that internet users tend to have larger personal networks,” and that social isolation was actually lower in 2008 than in 1985.



    The researchers also determined that the network size of “core discussion confidants” is most strongly associated with two popular social media activities: instant messaging and uploading photos. People who have a mobile phone and engage in these activities have a network 34 percent larger than those who don’t.

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    Other papers by Dr. Hampton argue that the internet and social media can facilitate offline social connections. One states that “internet use may be associated with higher levels of participation in traditional settings that support the formation of diverse networks,” such as visiting public spaces or knowing more people in the neighborhood. Another suggests that frequent Facebook users have more close and more diverse social ties than the average American — though roughly the same number of overall connections.

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    These findings jibe with the research of Robin Dunbar, a professor of evolutionary psychology at Oxford. He has theorized that “group size” of both humans and nonhuman primates — the number of people (or, say, chimpanzees) one can maintain social cohesion with — correlates to “relative neocortical volume,” or the ratio of the neocortex to the rest of the brain.

    The oft-cited “Dunbar’s number” is an average of 150 casual friends for humans (really, a range of 100 to 200). These are the people who might come to your wedding or funeral.

    Within this roster, there are embedded layers of intimacy that grow smaller by a factor of three: 50 of these make the next cut to buddies, about 15 are good friends, around five confidants form our circle of trust, and finally we have an average of 1.5 people we deem our closest relationships. (Conversely, we can keep track of roughly 500 acquaintances and 1,500 faces we can match to names.)

    One may presume that boasting thousands of social media friends or followers would inflate Dunbar’s number, but Dr. Dunbar said that is “absolutely not at all” the case. In a recent paper analyzing Facebook and Twitter data, and another one looking at mobile phone calls, his team determined that people still “showed the same frequencies of interaction as in face-to-face relationships” for the corresponding layers of intimacy, he said.

    However, digital media channels “don’t distinguish between quality of relationships,” he said. “They allow you to maintain relationships that would otherwise decay. Our data shows that if you don’t meet people at the requisite frequencies, you’ll drop down through the layers until eventually you drop out of the 150 and become ‘somebody you once knew.’ What we think is happening is that, if you don’t meet sometime face to face, social media is slowing down the rate of decay.”


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    The result, then, can be a glut of old acquaintances that are not as easily forgotten online and which therefore stifle the development of newer, in-person friendships.

    “Your available social time is limited, and you can either spend it face to face or on the internet,” Dr. Dunbar said. If it’s spent with people who are “remote,” whether geographically or just because they’re represented digitally, “you don’t have time to invest in new relationships where you are.”

    Whither Rapport?
    People from our past that we no longer directly communicate with but who are active on social networks can “colonize valuable space in your mind, and you think about them instead of about your close friends,” said Carlin Flora, the author of “Friendfluence: The Surprising Ways Friends Make Us Who We Are.”

    “If my high-school friend posts frequently about her life, it’s almost like it’s celebrity gossip, or it’s akin to me watching a reality show about her,” Ms. Flora said. “Our brains get confused about whether we know celebrities; if we see someone a lot, our brain thinks we know them.”

    Of course, thinking we know people through status updates (or paparazzi photos) is not the same as spending time with them, just as dashing off “Happy birthday!” on someone’s Facebook wall has less emotional impact than saying it in person or over the phone.

    Ms. Flora did note the advantages of digital media for introverts and people susceptible to loneliness, namely that it is less risky and enervating to make contact through a text or post than through a phone call or an invitation to meet.

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    With this lower threshold for maintaining friendships, some people strongly favor mediated interactions over in-person interactions, especially millennials accustomed to constant communication via devices.

    Ms. Schiller, the Iowa graduate, goes out often with friends at night but also subsists on a digital diet of texting (heavily enough that she recently strained her thumb), Google Chat and social media. She said she finds conversation on Google Chat banal, likely because she tends to use it as she multitasks on her computer, but sometimes opens up more to people via the confessional space of a text message than she might across a table.

    As with many millennials, talking on the phone was never a big part of her routine and is now reserved for the rarest of occasions. “I’ve asked people over Gchat if they want to talk on the phone, and they hem and haw,” she said. “It can feel draining — there isn’t a casual component to it.”

    There are physiological benefits to face-to-face encounters, however, that do not accrue to digital interactions or the phone. “Your blood pressure goes down, you have synchrony, you mimic your friend’s posture unconsciously,” Ms. Flora said. “It’s a rapport humans have developed over thousands of years, and you don’t get that when you only follow someone on social media.” (Skype et al. can be comparable, though, Dr. Dunbar observed.)

    But now it’s common for this synchrony to be disrupted in person, thanks to the ubiquity of the smartphone. Imagine Edward Hopper’s 1942 painting “Nighthawks” recomposed today, with the three late-night diners and counterman all gazing at screens.

    “If there’s a bunch of guys at a bar together and they’re all on their phones,” Dr. Dunbar said, “they’re not doing much to trigger the endorphin system to create the sense of bondedness.”

    I have been thinking that somebody should write about the non-political, non-journalistic aspect of two rival echo chambers, {4chan and this place and various dissident hideouts} on the one hand, and NPR’s explicitly non-news features on the other.
    Why does NPR have several features which are not news at all (and, in the case of Snap Judgment, make a point of boasting about not being the news on every show)? I believe that these storytelling features are an attempt by the establishment to do more expensively what I see all the time on 4chan (and sometimes on here): attestations of community.
    If you learn to filter through the trash on the chans you will sometimes see heartfelt protests of brotherhood, genuinely good advice, etc; at all levels people are directly reinforcing each others’ experience.
    I was listening to a Moth Radio Hour show about a church service-invading homosexual who lived in a graveyard crypt with a much younger “friend”* and thinking, what the hell is this? And then: I know what this is. This is exactly the same thing as a 4chan feels thread, only for [bigoted language]. I was helped to this conclusion by noticing that several Moth stories prior to the graveyard crazies were self-confession sessions by parents of “transgender children.” There’s more than one of those. A person could get the impression that it’s more common than it actually is. The point of this programming is normalization. If you listened to a lot of Moth, Snap, This American Life (ostensibly journalistic but often overlaps here), TED Radio Hour, RadioLab (Radiolab?) PANCAKES! [wait, are they discussing RadioLab?] but I want PANCAKES! {RadioLab, what’s that?}, etc, then you have Jon Oliver’s weltanschauung Potyomkinned to at least the painted horizon.

    *George Dawes Green, founder and guru of the Moth. The single most worrying presentation is fittingly offered by the master.

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    That made about as much sense as a normal 4chan post.
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  36. @JohnnyWalker123
    Asians seem pretty good at getting their elderly parents SSI, public housing, and food stamps. Even if the family is wealthy.

    In most cultures, shamelessly gaming the system is pretty standard operating procedure for most people. Other than Anglo-Germanics and maybe the Japanese, the rest of the world is often shamelessly dishonest.

    This has all sorts of consequences.

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  37. Lot says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    It would be cool if we could avoid talking about unpleasant truths like this, unfortunately the left seeks to falsely blame all the nation’s problems on whitey, and demand we both pay for ineffective cures and curse ourselves and our ancestors for our supposedly malevolently oppressive natures.

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  38. gunner29 says:
    @Anonymous
    How about a blog post on this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/democrats-partisanship-identity-politics.html


    Which Side Are You On?
    Thomas B. Edsall
    By Thomas B. Edsall

    Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C. on politics, demographics and inequality.

    May 10, 2018
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    Losing elections has gotten more emotionally taxing. Clinton partisans at the Javits Center on Nov. 8, 2016.CreditTodd Heisler/The New York Times
    Should taxes on households making $250,000 or more a year be raised? When you ask Democrats this question, you get a very interesting answer: Those on the bottom of the income distribution appear to want lower taxes on high earners than those on the top do.

    Among Democrats making less than $30,000, 48 percent say yes; among those making more than $75,000, 68 percent do, according to data provided to The Times by Bridget Johnson of the Pew Research Center. Among Democrats with high school degrees, 48 percent say yes; among those with college degrees, it’s 71 percent.

    Separately, John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, found in a January 2018 YouGov survey that 87 percent of Democrats from households making more than $120,000 annually support a tax hike on rich households.

    Two questions present themselves: Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?

    Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?

    Publicly they support it; privately they’re working to make sure it never happens. Every once in a while you’ll see some hard core lefty with the IRS on their ass for tax evasion.

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    Publicly they support it; privately they’re working to make sure it never happens.
     
    Part of it is hubris: they are smarter than their fellow high earners and will dodge the higher taxes while their cohorts go down in tax flames.
    , @1661er
    Whenever I saw this poster on BART or MUNI Bus Stops, there is almost always a homeless/bum sleeping right in front of it. Make me wonder how much better if we have the almost 400 square miles of lands to build housing on.

    https://blog.savesfbay.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bayorriver-e1339627205395.jpg

    And if you read its own oral history about its founding, it's mostly class warfare by rich owners of Berkeley Hill houses. Even more recently, there are still NIMBYs in Berkeley that are willing to say that they were against a housing development for being "too tall, it will block my bridge view sitting on toilet or lying back in my bathtub, I would have to stand up to see Golden Gate Bridge."

    https://blog.savesfbay.org/2013/09/bay-or-river/


    Kay, Esther, and I sat in Kay’s living room in the Berkeley Hills, nervous, yet hopeful. We heard a car pulling into the driveway and I said to my friends, “Here we go.” Surely these men who cared so much about redwoods and birds would also want to save our

    Esther served coffee as we took our seats. On one side of the shiny coffee table sat the three of us “tea ladies” in our colorful suits. On the other side, facing the big window with views of the Golden Gate Bridge towering above the glistening blue water, sat three men in dark suits –
    ...
    It was 1960 in Berkeley, California. While the free speech movement was gearing up at the University of Berkeley just down the hill, there was also a “progressive” movement to fill in the Bay.
    ...
    Our first move was to lobby for a new state agency that could regulate development. Senator Eugene McAteer was business friendly, but he also had a restaurant on the Bay. Kay convinced him that it would be good for business to protect this natural resource.
     

    If Trump want to vote out Nancy Pelosi, he can start by fill the bay and settle it with modern day "Arkies" and "Orkies." In the main time, open up GGNRA, Treasure Islands and other lands under federal control for housing, ruin the view of Barbara Boxer/Gavin Newsome from Greenbrae/Kentfield.
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  39. Lot says:
    @J.Ross
    I have been thinking that somebody should write about the non-political, non-journalistic aspect of two rival echo chambers, {4chan and this place and various dissident hideouts} on the one hand, and NPR's explicitly non-news features on the other.
    Why does NPR have several features which are not news at all (and, in the case of Snap Judgment, make a point of boasting about not being the news on every show)? I believe that these storytelling features are an attempt by the establishment to do more expensively what I see all the time on 4chan (and sometimes on here): attestations of community.
    If you learn to filter through the trash on the chans you will sometimes see heartfelt protests of brotherhood, genuinely good advice, etc; at all levels people are directly reinforcing each others' experience.
    I was listening to a Moth Radio Hour show about a church service-invading homosexual who lived in a graveyard crypt with a much younger "friend"* and thinking, what the hell is this? And then: I know what this is. This is exactly the same thing as a 4chan feels thread, only for [bigoted language]. I was helped to this conclusion by noticing that several Moth stories prior to the graveyard crazies were self-confession sessions by parents of "transgender children." There's more than one of those. A person could get the impression that it's more common than it actually is. The point of this programming is normalization. If you listened to a lot of Moth, Snap, This American Life (ostensibly journalistic but often overlaps here), TED Radio Hour, RadioLab (Radiolab?) PANCAKES! [wait, are they discussing RadioLab?] but I want PANCAKES! {RadioLab, what's that?}, etc, then you have Jon Oliver's weltanschauung Potyomkinned to at least the painted horizon.

    *George Dawes Green, founder and guru of the Moth. The single most worrying presentation is fittingly offered by the master.

    That made about as much sense as a normal 4chan post.

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    That is such a Lot thing to say, which bears out my point.
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  40. Lot says:
    @newrouter
    "SAN FRANCISCO — For $1,200 a month, Patricia Torres and her family were renting a bedroom, a share of time in the bathroom, one vegetable drawer and one shelf in the fridge, and two cupboards over the stove. They rented not so much a home as a fraction of one."

    We know Pat T has $1200/month for rent. How they make money is not stated. Ok. They make at least $14,400/yr. California minimum wage @ $11.00 . Solution: 1) Get rid of "No Build Housing" policies; 2) Make more than minimum wage.

    The minimum wage in SF is $14. On July 1 it will go to $15 then increase with CPI. There is also an employer health insurance mandate, with a penalty of about 3% of payroll. So the effective minimum wage with this added will be $15.45.

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  41. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @scumbag billy
    San Fransisco should be forced to become 30% non-white and Asian by 2022, or lose all federal tax $. Preferably with poor blacks. Make em' live by their own ethos.

    San Francisco is already 33% Asian according to the census. That however, is the Asians who fill out the census forms.

    Asians tend to not fill out census forms till the 4fth generation. So it’s probably at least 50%.

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  42. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot
    That made about as much sense as a normal 4chan post.

    That is such a Lot thing to say, which bears out my point.

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  43. Gordo says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Asians seem pretty good at getting their elderly parents SSI, public housing, and food stamps. Even if the family is wealthy.

    Welfare state or multiracial society?

    Pick one.

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  44. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    How many of those 6,580 applicants were decidedly un-poor Asian hucksters looking to scam a cheap apartment? Answer: a lot.

    I’d say about 6,000 of them are Asian hucksters. They will continue living in their Richmond district 2 bedrooms house over a garage with 30 relatives.

    And they will rent out that low income apartment for maybe $5,000 a month while paying the housing authority $400 a month.

    Speaking of Chinese, here is a very common scam.

    The family owns Songs sweatshop. Sometimes it’s a real business, sometimes not. The family creates say 20 ghost employees. The family pays into the state unemployment fund for the ghost employees. The Songs know exactly how much to claim the ghost employee earns to get the maximum benefit when the ghost employee is laid off because of “ lack of work”

    Being Chinese, the Songs have good quality fake Id for the ghost employees.

    Nowadays filing for unemployment is all done online and the checks arrive. I think they have to go just once in person to the unemployment office.

    In the old days a Song family member had to go to the unemployment office in person to sign up and turn in the list of places they applied for work

    After the ghost employee gets all the unemployment possible, the ghost employee goes back to work and the Song family company sends unemployment contributions again.

    Every few years the name of Song Sweatshop is changed to Wong, Fong, Chong.

    This has been going on since unemployment was created in the 1930s I think. Used to be news articles every few years about how some business scammed the unemployment benefits. But since about 1995 it’s all covered up to avoid offense to the model minority.

    Another minor scan is their dry cleaners. They don’t send the clothes to the factory where they are dipped in the cleaning fluid. They just iron the dirty clothes and give them back to the customer.

    Gas pumps that charge a gallon more than is actually pumped? Routine!!

    Crab salad that’s actually chopped halibut? Routine since they took over the tourist trap restaurants.

    And because they are not White they get all the SBA loans and tax exemptions for their crooked businesses

    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.

    The Persian Armenian Russian Israeli Indian Paki entrepreneurs probably do it too.

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    Many Chinese are two,three or four people on paper. They are retroactively born in the US, get a SSN, drivers license, et al and build two, there or four identities. Work 40 quarters and you get Social Security under each ID. Plus the cherry on top: bring in a relative from China and he takes on this American citizen’s identity in toto. I mean, to the DMV they do look all alike.

    Chinese are literally ideally tailored to work the classic ‘paper trip’. Indifferentiable to dumb white or black bureaucrats, named in a language that can be phoneticized in many ways, from a group that often has second generation members with a pronounced accent, and above all smart enough to work the system better than blacks, mestizos or prole whites.....
    , @bomag

    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.
     
    One (discouraging) solution here is that the model minority soon raises up mobsters and gov't officials that will "harvest" this excess wealth.
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  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    OT, the Clinton Foundation is back to doing well by doing good. They are holding a gala dinner dance in ZOG headquarters, NYC

    It’s $100, 000 a table. Wonder if they’ll have an open bar or make the guests pay for drinks?

    Weinstein is selling his 3 palatial residences in and around NYC presumably for legal expenses and to pay off the judgements that will come. Or maybe wife and kids will make a little trip to Israel by private plane with the proceeds of the sales. Then declare bankruptcy.

    Incidentally, wife owns a dress company, Marchesa. She specializes in ball gowns and wedding dresses. Weinstein ordered actresses to wear his gowns to those ghastly horrible awards events.

    They have a daughter. Poor child; law of genetics is that girls take after dads, boys take after moms

    So the poor girl will probably inherit his hideous face, cucumber nose 3 ft wide shoulders and pelvis and tendency to obesity

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  46. Anon 2 says:

    Many people express surprise that white Californians meekly accepted
    becoming a minority within only 20-30 years, the rate of change so fast
    that in Europe it would be referred to as ethnic cleansing. I think here’s
    one reason why.

    I know a ton of people in Southern California, from the very affluent to merely
    middle class. All of them experienced obscene increases in their net worth,
    mainly due to the real estate they own. To pick a low-end example, someone
    I know bought a house in the area north of I-10 near La Brea Blvd, certainly
    not the most upscale part of Los Angeles, in 2000 for $120,000. Today this
    modest ranch home built in the 1920s is worth about $780,000. I also know
    a couple in Huntington Beach. They bought their house in the 1970s for
    next to nothing. Today the house is worth about a million. These people can’t
    believe their luck (although they hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways).
    While the housing in the Midwest experienced little appreciation, SoCal, due
    to the population explosion, has made a lot of people rich beyond their wildest
    dreams.

    Tucker Carlson (who was raised in La Jolla) always says that due to high taxes, etc
    California is losing people. Not true. California may be losing the white middle
    class but is still increasing its population at the rate of at least 300,000 a year
    (counting only the legal residents). Its current population of about 40 million
    (37% white) is double what it was in the ’60s. None of the people I know (all white)
    have plans to leave California anytime soon. Why should they? They know they’re
    sitting on a ton of gold, and are as surprised by this development as I am.
    I remember most of them as impecunious college students. They may complain
    about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general, but they know
    that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

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    Where my mother came from (County Roscommon, Ireland), they used to call 'em "Tinkers". Saw them in action when we visited there some years ago. Real lowlifes.
    , @anonymous
    I don't doubt it, but that's in LA though. And probably San Diego (never mind SanFran and San Jose). But does that apply to the 'burbs? Not sure. I have a cousin in Pt. Hueneme (just south of Oxnard), who was born/raised in LA and who has thrown in the towel and wants out (Texas maybe). Their home has appreciated since they bought it eight years ago or so, but at a rate less than 100%.
    , @bomag

    They may complain about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general (and hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways), but they know that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.
     
    Seems to be entirely the wrong conclusion to draw.

    California has unique features that make it wealthy in spite of immigration, not because of it. Immigration qua immigration is not going to make anyone rich.

    If California needed more labor than it could supply locally, it should have used internal migration from around the country; mechanized; or did without.

    Counting your thirty pieces of silver, stuck in traffic, while things burn around you, is no success.
    , @anon
    There wasn’t much we could do. We passed 2 propositions 187 and 209. 187 was overturned by the courts and 209 has never been enforced.

    There is also the fact that the wealthy Whites want us gone so they can deal only with Indian Asian and Hispanic Indian workers

    The house that went from $200,000 to a million in a few years, but it really doesn’t bring any money. The taxes rise salary remains the same. Affirmative action means we can’t count on promotions or a better paid job to keep up with the taxes.

    A house, no matter how much it’s worth is just a place to live until you sell it.

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  47. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    If Steve wrote about this, I missed it, but back in March a judge in Seattle ruled that if a person is living in a vehicle parked on a street, cops can't tow it.

    He had been living in his 2000 GMC pickup, parked on a side street, but the city of Seattle towed it because Long had violated a city rule that requires vehicles be moved every 72 hours.

    That impound set up an unusual court ruling Friday that advocates for homeless people and the city both say could have broad implications on the crisis of homelessness.

    King County Superior Court Judge Catherine Shaffer ruled that the city’s impoundment of Long’s truck violated the state’s homestead act — a frontier-era law that protects properties from forced sale — because he was using it as a home.

    More than 2,300 people were living in their vehicles on the night of King County’s 2017 homeless point-in-time count — 20 percent of the county’s homeless population.

    Police and parking-enforcement officers could now find themselves in a bind if they can’t definitively determine whether a vehicle is simply abandoned or is someone’s home, said Assistant City Attorney Michael Ryan.

    By following the logic of Long’s legal team, Ryan argued in court Friday, “Someone could park right here in front of the court house on Fifth Avenue, and we couldn’t tow them, or if we did tow them, we couldn’t put them in impound. We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”

    “We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”
     
    Reportedly the local authorities would like to appeal the ruling, but are afraid that they'll lose, creating a precedent that covers the entire state.

    It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm sure that if it does somehow stand, TPTB will find some way to make sure that the homeless aren't able to park their vehicles in the nicest neighborhoods.

    Surely the obvious solution is to encourage the homeless to park their cars outside the judge’s house.

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    Surely the obvious solution is to encourage the homeless to park their cars outside the judge’s house.
     
    Obvious; but with the immunity judges enjoy, the cars will no doubt be quickly towed and shredded.
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  48. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Plus ca change.

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  49. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s how it works in England, with ‘council house waiting lists’ and the ‘points’ system of privilege in placement on the list. Typically, prospective tenants wait for *decades* to be considered for
    local government properties. Accomodation, accommodation of any type, no matter how mean, automatically disqualifies the applicant.

    However, third world ‘migrants’ are immediately prioritised and put at the top of the list, right on setting foot in England. Typically given the best houses in the best neighborhoods too.

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  50. My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

    This sounds ludicrous, but has actually already happened in the UK. They call them “travellers”. Most are either “Irish Travellers” or Roma (a.k.a. pikeys and gypsies), and are therefore eligible for protected status on the grounds of being an ethnic minority, as is right and proper in the current year.

    But some unknown fraction are simply regular English people who don’t mind living in a caravan and not paying taxes. (E.g. the burglar killed in self-defense earlier this year.) I dare say the UK gov’t is uninterested in finding out exactly how many. Too awkward a question.

    Articles about gypsies flouting the law used to be ten a penny in English papers: parking their caravans on public land, dumping rubbish everywhere, conducting scams and petty crime, etc., etc. If you’d like to know more, I suggest consulting the Daily Mail, or, failing that, Snatch, starring Brad Pitt as a lovable pikey boxer.

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    What's the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can't remember, is he a pikey?
    , @DFH
    But the burglar who wa killed wasn't a regular English person, he was a gypsy
    , @Clyde
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5638693/Gipsy-funeral-procession-burglar-stabbed-pensioner-past-home.html ---great link thanks brightened up my day
    , @anonymous
    Where my mother came from (County Roscommon, Ireland), they used to call 'em "Tinkers". Saw them in action when we visited there some years ago. Real lowlifes.
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  51. @Matthew McConnagay
    My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

    This sounds ludicrous, but has actually already happened in the UK. They call them "travellers". Most are either "Irish Travellers" or Roma (a.k.a. pikeys and gypsies), and are therefore eligible for protected status on the grounds of being an ethnic minority, as is right and proper in the current year.

    But some unknown fraction are simply regular English people who don't mind living in a caravan and not paying taxes. (E.g. the burglar killed in self-defense earlier this year.) I dare say the UK gov't is uninterested in finding out exactly how many. Too awkward a question.

    Articles about gypsies flouting the law used to be ten a penny in English papers: parking their caravans on public land, dumping rubbish everywhere, conducting scams and petty crime, etc., etc. If you'd like to know more, I suggest consulting the Daily Mail, or, failing that, Snatch, starring Brad Pitt as a lovable pikey boxer.

    What’s the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can’t remember, is he a pikey?

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    Tyson Fury?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Fury
    , @Matthew McConnagay
    No idea, sorry
    , @Anonymous
    The late, great Lenny McLean, former unlicensed English boxing champion in that rough 'dodgy geezer' 'sport' of 'rough fighting' , back in the good old days when men were men, London was English, The Sweeney was on telly, the lapels were wide etc etc, when 'respectable' upper class gits'sporting gentlemen' dressed like Beau Brummell, with posh affected voices patronized the 'fancy' of rough working class hairy assed biffdom, full of the thrill of reflected glory of 'real' men - and suppressed gay overtones too.

    After his fighting career ended, Lenny McLean was employed as a bouncer at London's Stringfellow's night spot.
    McLean got over rough and bashed to death a 'nutter' or a 'nonce ' - to use the parlance - who exposed himself and sexually assaulted 'birds' on the Stringfellow 's dance floor - a cardinal sin cockneydom.
    This ended Lenny McLean.

    As an addendum, the 'prince' of post war British murderers, Dennis Nilsen, snuffed it yesterday.

    , @Lot
    This gypsy boxer has a Dario Fo biography

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Trollmann
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  52. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    Nothing mean about telling the truth. I had a close family member who was homeless for a time. This was painful for me, but there was no way I’d take him in because he would have ruined my life. If the opportunity had presented itself, I’m sure he could have rationalized perpetrating some fraud to get me thrown out so that he could take over my place. He was smart enough to pull something like that off, although in practice his drinking tended to thwart any plans that required sustained effort.

    If you don’t personally know anyone like that I imagine it’s hard to believe that they exist. I remember reading a local newspaper report about some kid who called the police, saying that his father had stolen his banking and credit info and cleaned him out. Naturally, the kid was very upset. So what did the cops do? They hauled the kid off to the psych ward for an evaluation, thinking he must be paranoid and delusional. What kind of parent would do that, right? Well, turned out the kid was not crazy, and his father had in fact ripped him off. These people do exist, and behavior like that is behind a lot of hard luck stories.

    It’s better to be honest and clear minded about the reality of human misery. If you know what you’re dealing with, it’s a lot easier to come up with effective harm reduction practices. For example, if you know they’re going to lie, cheat and steal, you know better how to help them without being conned yourself.

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    What's the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can't remember, is he a pikey?
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  54. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I’d say about 6,000 of them are Asian hucksters. They will continue living in their Richmond district 2 bedrooms house over a garage with 30 relatives.

    And they will rent out that low income apartment for maybe $5,000 a month while paying the housing authority $400 a month.

    Speaking of Chinese, here is a very common scam.

    The family owns Songs sweatshop. Sometimes it’s a real business, sometimes not. The family creates say 20 ghost employees. The family pays into the state unemployment fund for the ghost employees. The Songs know exactly how much to claim the ghost employee earns to get the maximum benefit when the ghost employee is laid off because of “ lack of work”

    Being Chinese, the Songs have good quality fake Id for the ghost employees.

    Nowadays filing for unemployment is all done online and the checks arrive. I think they have to go just once in person to the unemployment office.

    In the old days a Song family member had to go to the unemployment office in person to sign up and turn in the list of places they applied for work

    After the ghost employee gets all the unemployment possible, the ghost employee goes back to work and the Song family company sends unemployment contributions again.

    Every few years the name of Song Sweatshop is changed to Wong, Fong, Chong.

    This has been going on since unemployment was created in the 1930s I think. Used to be news articles every few years about how some business scammed the unemployment benefits. But since about 1995 it’s all covered up to avoid offense to the model minority.

    Another minor scan is their dry cleaners. They don’t send the clothes to the factory where they are dipped in the cleaning fluid. They just iron the dirty clothes and give them back to the customer.

    Gas pumps that charge a gallon more than is actually pumped? Routine!!

    Crab salad that’s actually chopped halibut? Routine since they took over the tourist trap restaurants.

    And because they are not White they get all the SBA loans and tax exemptions for their crooked businesses


    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.

    The Persian Armenian Russian Israeli Indian Paki entrepreneurs probably do it too.

    Many Chinese are two,three or four people on paper. They are retroactively born in the US, get a SSN, drivers license, et al and build two, there or four identities. Work 40 quarters and you get Social Security under each ID. Plus the cherry on top: bring in a relative from China and he takes on this American citizen’s identity in toto. I mean, to the DMV they do look all alike.

    Chinese are literally ideally tailored to work the classic ‘paper trip’. Indifferentiable to dumb white or black bureaucrats, named in a language that can be phoneticized in many ways, from a group that often has second generation members with a pronounced accent, and above all smart enough to work the system better than blacks, mestizos or prole whites…..

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    They are retroactively born in the US

    How does one accomplish this? Asking for a friend.
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  55. DFH says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

    This sounds ludicrous, but has actually already happened in the UK. They call them "travellers". Most are either "Irish Travellers" or Roma (a.k.a. pikeys and gypsies), and are therefore eligible for protected status on the grounds of being an ethnic minority, as is right and proper in the current year.

    But some unknown fraction are simply regular English people who don't mind living in a caravan and not paying taxes. (E.g. the burglar killed in self-defense earlier this year.) I dare say the UK gov't is uninterested in finding out exactly how many. Too awkward a question.

    Articles about gypsies flouting the law used to be ten a penny in English papers: parking their caravans on public land, dumping rubbish everywhere, conducting scams and petty crime, etc., etc. If you'd like to know more, I suggest consulting the Daily Mail, or, failing that, Snatch, starring Brad Pitt as a lovable pikey boxer.

    But the burglar who wa killed wasn’t a regular English person, he was a gypsy

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  56. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    If there's an earthquake in the middle of the night and your shed collapses, it tends to be less of a thing than if your dwelling collapses on you whilst you sleep... I'm sure there are other reasons, but that has to be at least part of it.

    A stick-built framed house or shed, tiny or big, held together as it is with metal pins at the joints is very resistant to catastrophic damage by earthquake. Generally, they don’t collapse, bend but don’t break, with the sticks pivoting about the joints as they do. Persons in such homes survive while people in unreinforced masonry homes are found crushed in the rubble, which is why earthquakes result in high death tolls in places with inadequate or unenforced building standards such as Latin America.

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    Is this why American houses are always made out of wood? One always wonders why there aren't more brick houses over there when one sees a tornado on the news
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  57. Clyde says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

    This sounds ludicrous, but has actually already happened in the UK. They call them "travellers". Most are either "Irish Travellers" or Roma (a.k.a. pikeys and gypsies), and are therefore eligible for protected status on the grounds of being an ethnic minority, as is right and proper in the current year.

    But some unknown fraction are simply regular English people who don't mind living in a caravan and not paying taxes. (E.g. the burglar killed in self-defense earlier this year.) I dare say the UK gov't is uninterested in finding out exactly how many. Too awkward a question.

    Articles about gypsies flouting the law used to be ten a penny in English papers: parking their caravans on public land, dumping rubbish everywhere, conducting scams and petty crime, etc., etc. If you'd like to know more, I suggest consulting the Daily Mail, or, failing that, Snatch, starring Brad Pitt as a lovable pikey boxer.
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  58. “Left unchecked, human beings tend to develop convoluted systems of special rights and privileges. The now-fading modernist ideology of equal protection of the laws might perhaps be a hothouse flower that doesn’t flourish without constant care. One distinctive aspect of postmodern privileges is that they are justified in the name of equality, but the workings are not all that different from the premodern world.”

    This is a very good insight and worth mulling over. You’ve said a lot in three sentences, Steve.

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  59. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn’t even speak to his brother, whom he hadn’t seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them.

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    "Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them."

    Voted for Trump?
    , @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn’t even speak to his brother, whom he hadn’t seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them.

     

    If you are considering helping a homeless, possible schizo person, every single source of information and experience will say this very same thing.

    So if you are ever tempted to help an old friend, or simply human being, who life has ground down to living behind a dumpster, perish the notion and get back to munching Doritos and watching the game.

    Therein lies your grace and you can rest easy about an impulse to help, everyone else says it is okay for you to forget it and continue in your self-indulgence.

    Definitely the way the world gets better, isn't it?

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  60. bomag says:
    @gunner29

    Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?
     
    Publicly they support it; privately they're working to make sure it never happens. Every once in a while you'll see some hard core lefty with the IRS on their ass for tax evasion.

    Publicly they support it; privately they’re working to make sure it never happens.

    Part of it is hubris: they are smarter than their fellow high earners and will dodge the higher taxes while their cohorts go down in tax flames.

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  61. bomag says:
    @Anonymous
    Why not just draft them?

    Let's create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. Most homeless are genuinely crazy and it would be a way to put them in a de facto nuthouse with the ACLU having no say about it. Those capable of working would get tired of this and just get a job and a place to live.

    I’ve often thought that barracks on the edge of town with enforced discipline is one remedy.

    The specter of internment camps is a buzz kill; plus the usual dysfunction inherent in any kind of incarceration.

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  62. @Anonymous
    Why not just draft them?

    Let's create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. Most homeless are genuinely crazy and it would be a way to put them in a de facto nuthouse with the ACLU having no say about it. Those capable of working would get tired of this and just get a job and a place to live.

    Let’s create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. 

    Not really feasible. Now, Steve has several times advocated for something like this, some kind of uniformed, unarmed paramilitary “Service Corps” or civil guard that would, I dunno, pick up empty beer cans in Yosemite. But, citing some personal interactions he and other commenters have had, the idea is for such a service branch is for young, underclass men who actually do want, and look forward to, the discipline and pride that come with military life, but realize to their embarrassment when they try to enlist in the actual Armed Forces, that they don’t make the IQ cut-off.

    It just won’t work for so many of the kind of homeless people you’re talking about. Even at the height of the Depression, the Civilian Conservation Corps and other make-work quasi-military programs back then, didn’t take just anyone. If you were what they called a “vagrant,” and pretty clearly mentally off in some serious ways, they knew you wouldn’t add any value and in fact would probably be a retardant to those who did qualify mentally despite their lack of brains.

    The one time in history that the US Government *really* had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and throw out all fail safes in desperation for manpower–about 16 months from mid-1943 to the fall of ’44, the results were disastrous–that was how the Army got stuck with the Louis Tills and Eddie Sloviks of the world. By the end of ’44/start of ’45 the birth cohort coming online for the draft was larger, and the military got the breathing space to get back to bei g more selective.

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    Irving Kristol got sent to Basic Training with a bunch of guys from Cicero, IL, the mafia base south of Oak Park, IL. It cured him of his Marxism: I'm not sure we can Build Socialism with this crew.
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  63. bomag says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    Dear Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative,

    It is rather mean of you to suggest Steve has a mean streak when he points out a rather obvious truth.

    Please relate your successful interventions in the lives of the homeless.

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    Please relate your successful interventions in the lives of the homeless.
     
    Let's suppose I have had one or several. How would relating my personal experience(s) change the discussion here?
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  64. @Brutusale
    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn't even speak to his brother, whom he hadn't seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you'd have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you've done to them.

    “Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them.”

    Voted for Trump?

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  65. @Anon
    In post-involuntary commitment mental hospital California half the homeless or schizophrenic.

    Speaking of privileged status ... Proposition 13. Are you a beneficiary of that, Steve? I voted for the damn thing thinking that I was sending a message to the politicians lower taxes, and it would be repealed in a few years and replaced by something rational.

    It's not only still there, lo these many decades later, but people advocate for the right to pass it to new properties when seniors move (already implemented, to a degree) or to their children, as a sort of hereditary title of nobility. Proposition 13 will never die unless courts belatedly decide it's against the California constitution. Since the California constitution clocks in at 26,346 pages long, it might be a plausible excuse to say there is something in there that nobody ever noticed over the decades.

    Isn’t Proposition 13 the California version of New York rent control?

    You could say that property taxes are not rent, but then again, what property tax “buys” the homeowner is fire fighting, police and garbage collection, public schools and the welfare safety net that pay off your neighbors from turning on you and taking your belongings or worse. High property taxes to fund more expensive schools to some extent keeps people one is concerned about in other neighborhoods.

    So yes, the property tax is a “taking” like every other tax levied by government, but you could also view your local government as a kind of Neighborhood Association with guns and property tax is them collecting from you a fee to live where you do.

    You have the situation where people who don’t move see their property tax “controlled” in the way that NYC put caps on rent increases to the extent that you had people paying insanely low rent compared to neighbors, and when someone wanted to “do something to a building” (turning it condo, demolish it and build a luxury high rise), there was all manner of difficulty getting that last old lady to leave?

    Doesn’t Proposition 13 in turn slow down the turnover of property, say, getting people not earning go-go Silicon Valley tech salaries to move Inland or to Nevada or gosh forbid Texas so that a smart STEM person from Mumbai can replace you in where you live? Sure, a person could cash in by selling their place and moving to a part of the U.S. with less insane valuations, but why would they when the property certainly isn’t going to lose value, even if they don’t keep up the repairs and the property taxes are frozen at affordable levels?

    So Proposition 13 isn’t just about starving the government for revenue (or rent control about starving the landlord for income), it is more about immobilizing who lives there to the detriment of changing economic conditions?

    By the way, I voted for it as a university student before moving back East. Muhhahahaha!

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  66. @Steve Sailer
    What's the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can't remember, is he a pikey?

    No idea, sorry

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  67. Wilkey says:
    @Whiskey
    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man's mistress.

    That's a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to "have illegals backs" and be part of "the Resistance" to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That's privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema's desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

    “…even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress. That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average.”

    The powerful man will probably dump the mistress once he tires of her and her boobs start to sag a little, and especially if she presents him with a little, uh, present whom he’d rather not have to publicly acknowledge. Joe Average is far more likely to stay with her into old age, and if she really is quite pretty then he’ll probably be Joe Above Average. Joe Above Average is usually quite proud to have her child.

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    Yes, that is certainly the rational analysis.

    The rational analysis has little to do with who women are instinctually attracted to.
    , @Stan Adams
    Alas, the hamster follows its own base instincts.

    The Roissy types would say that, having been impregnated by Mr. Big, the mistress will attempt to snare a Joe Beta Schlump for financial support.
    , @anon
    Whiskey’s a celibate on welfare. That’s why he can spend his life in front of his computer fantasizing about women.
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  68. Whatch says:
    @Tiny Duck
    You guys REALLY need to watch Dear white people on Netflix

    It does a good job of explaining how white supremacy built our nation

    People of Color were milked milked not given houses not given jobs and dhandered

    It's time the equity

    Laughing to hard to finish the sentence…

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  69. Wilkey says:

    For me it isn’t genuinely low income housing if it doesn’t come with all the problems typically associated with low income people. If your application process, as it does in many cases, weeds out people with criminal histories or even just poor credit then it doesn’t count. It’s like those expensive private schools that brag about their racial diversity when all that means is they have the kids of black doctors and polticians plus a bunch of “Mexicans” who are about as dark-skinned as the last Best Director winner. Some part of me also suspects they’re counting Jews as ethnic minorities, too.

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    It’s like those expensive private schools that brag about their racial diversity
     
    Keep an eye on the growing "Mixed Race" category at the Ivy League schools. It'll be all East Asian-White hapas, but it sure sounds progressive and multicultural.
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  70. @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    “The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.”

    Bingo. That description fits one or two of the guys I grew up with, alas. I have a spare bedroom in my house, and I’d love to be able to help some homeless dude out with it. But I don’t want my house thrashed, and my possessions ripped off, so….

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    Miles Davis's description of the year he let Charley Parker live in his apartment is pretty funny. Charlie sold all of Miles' suits for drugs, then sold all of his furniture. Parker never wound up homeless, I believe, because he was the greatest talent in jazz and he could find new people to sponge off of, but take away some of that talent and he would likely have been out on the street until he cleaned up his act.
    , @stillCARealist
    I've related several instances in these homeless threads about the people I've dealt with over the years. Bottom line: they're just not willing or capable of conforming to even the minimal demands of life. The few who really are a tiny bit together will get themselves out of the gutter, and no program will help them until they decide to do it.

    Well here's the latest anecdote. The neighbor kid 20-something who was living in his car has now been thrown in jail. Turns out he was stealing from his mom and selling her stuff on the internet. The cops take that sort of crime rather seriously, apparently. His drug use and vagrancy didn't bother them until he showed up in the black market selling stolen goods. The dad is so embarrassed for his son that he only speaks in guarded phrases. I got the straight story from the dad's illegal renter who had his own car ransacked, likely by one of the son's scummy friends lurking around.

    And here we thought we'd bought into a good neighborhood. In CA, I guess you have to spend closer to a million to get away from low-class renters.
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  71. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    What's the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can't remember, is he a pikey?

    The late, great Lenny McLean, former unlicensed English boxing champion in that rough ‘dodgy geezer’ ‘sport’ of ‘rough fighting’ , back in the good old days when men were men, London was English, The Sweeney was on telly, the lapels were wide etc etc, when ‘respectable’ upper class gits’sporting gentlemen’ dressed like Beau Brummell, with posh affected voices patronized the ‘fancy’ of rough working class hairy assed biffdom, full of the thrill of reflected glory of ‘real’ men – and suppressed gay overtones too.

    After his fighting career ended, Lenny McLean was employed as a bouncer at London’s Stringfellow’s night spot.
    McLean got over rough and bashed to death a ‘nutter’ or a ‘nonce ‘ – to use the parlance – who exposed himself and sexually assaulted ‘birds’ on the Stringfellow ‘s dance floor – a cardinal sin cockneydom.
    This ended Lenny McLean.

    As an addendum, the ‘prince’ of post war British murderers, Dennis Nilsen, snuffed it yesterday.

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  72. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    How about a blog post on this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/democrats-partisanship-identity-politics.html


    Which Side Are You On?
    Thomas B. Edsall
    By Thomas B. Edsall

    Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C. on politics, demographics and inequality.

    May 10, 2018
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    Losing elections has gotten more emotionally taxing. Clinton partisans at the Javits Center on Nov. 8, 2016.CreditTodd Heisler/The New York Times
    Should taxes on households making $250,000 or more a year be raised? When you ask Democrats this question, you get a very interesting answer: Those on the bottom of the income distribution appear to want lower taxes on high earners than those on the top do.

    Among Democrats making less than $30,000, 48 percent say yes; among those making more than $75,000, 68 percent do, according to data provided to The Times by Bridget Johnson of the Pew Research Center. Among Democrats with high school degrees, 48 percent say yes; among those with college degrees, it’s 71 percent.

    Separately, John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, found in a January 2018 YouGov survey that 87 percent of Democrats from households making more than $120,000 annually support a tax hike on rich households.

    Two questions present themselves: Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?

    The success of the (D) party means the High and the Low squeeze the middle. In the (D) party, who makes up 87% of (D)s who make more than $120K/year and want higher taxes?

    My guess includes: coastal libertines, lawyers, educational bureaucrats, teh gays, the talented tenth, and ((())) along w/ the venn diagrams that intersect among them all.

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    There’s an election coming up. Nothing but millionaire and billionaire California democrats on TV promising more welfare to illegal immigrants. More free health care. On and on
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  73. @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    Steve prefers unpleasant truths to pretty lies. That explains much of his relative popularity and fame.

    You’re probably just some rich kid whose never known a homeless person. You’ll deny it, of course, but you know I’m right.

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  74. bartok says:
    @Anonymous
    Why not just draft them?

    Let's create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. Most homeless are genuinely crazy and it would be a way to put them in a de facto nuthouse with the ACLU having no say about it. Those capable of working would get tired of this and just get a job and a place to live.

    give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework

    Yup. Workhouses work and social work doesn’t. (Then again, social work may never have been meant to work, rather to be a state-funded thorn in the bourgeoisie’s side. A proto-Cloward-Piven).

    Same with outpatient care vs. asylums. The left shut down the asylums claiming we would get more safety and less spending; we got the reverse.

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  75. bartok says:
    @Wilkey
    For me it isn't genuinely low income housing if it doesn't come with all the problems typically associated with low income people. If your application process, as it does in many cases, weeds out people with criminal histories or even just poor credit then it doesn't count. It's like those expensive private schools that brag about their racial diversity when all that means is they have the kids of black doctors and polticians plus a bunch of "Mexicans" who are about as dark-skinned as the last Best Director winner. Some part of me also suspects they're counting Jews as ethnic minorities, too.

    It’s like those expensive private schools that brag about their racial diversity

    Keep an eye on the growing “Mixed Race” category at the Ivy League schools. It’ll be all East Asian-White hapas, but it sure sounds progressive and multicultural.

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  76. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    O/T

    https://www.pressherald.com/2018/05/12/state-pushes-to-loosen-work-rules-for-teens-but-labor-advocates-have-concerns/

    With the lowest state unemployment rate in 60 years and many industries struggling to find workers, the Department of Labor plans to tap into thousands of potential teen job-seekers with a public campaign to build the state’s underage workforce. The program includes training for businesses, outreach to schools and parents, a website and assistance connecting teens with employers.
    “We are in a labor crunch. We need to have every group of people who are in Maine to be in the workforce – it is all hands on deck,” Labor Commissioner John Butera said in an interview. “We have a lot of kids here, youth, young adults we can start engaging in the workforce, and the sooner the better.”

    Such a horribile thing, we need more invaders from the Horn of Africa.

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    I'll fill you in on the subtext: the thin strip of tourist-friendly Maine coast from the NH border to Freeport needs front of the house food service industry help, and tourists don't want to be served by hijab-wearing Somalis.

    Last spring the same publication was running stories about the Portland restaurants poaching help from one another.
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  77. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    How about a blog post on this Steve?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/democrats-partisanship-identity-politics.html


    Which Side Are You On?
    Thomas B. Edsall
    By Thomas B. Edsall

    Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C. on politics, demographics and inequality.

    May 10, 2018
    Image
    Losing elections has gotten more emotionally taxing. Clinton partisans at the Javits Center on Nov. 8, 2016.CreditTodd Heisler/The New York Times
    Should taxes on households making $250,000 or more a year be raised? When you ask Democrats this question, you get a very interesting answer: Those on the bottom of the income distribution appear to want lower taxes on high earners than those on the top do.

    Among Democrats making less than $30,000, 48 percent say yes; among those making more than $75,000, 68 percent do, according to data provided to The Times by Bridget Johnson of the Pew Research Center. Among Democrats with high school degrees, 48 percent say yes; among those with college degrees, it’s 71 percent.

    Separately, John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, found in a January 2018 YouGov survey that 87 percent of Democrats from households making more than $120,000 annually support a tax hike on rich households.

    Two questions present themselves: Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?

    Most well-off Democrats talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Bet the farm that when they did their returns they took advantage of every available loophole.

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  78. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    My guess is that, eventually, some people will be declared Officially Homeless and thus eligible for various privileges and other people will be out of luck.

    This sounds ludicrous, but has actually already happened in the UK. They call them "travellers". Most are either "Irish Travellers" or Roma (a.k.a. pikeys and gypsies), and are therefore eligible for protected status on the grounds of being an ethnic minority, as is right and proper in the current year.

    But some unknown fraction are simply regular English people who don't mind living in a caravan and not paying taxes. (E.g. the burglar killed in self-defense earlier this year.) I dare say the UK gov't is uninterested in finding out exactly how many. Too awkward a question.

    Articles about gypsies flouting the law used to be ten a penny in English papers: parking their caravans on public land, dumping rubbish everywhere, conducting scams and petty crime, etc., etc. If you'd like to know more, I suggest consulting the Daily Mail, or, failing that, Snatch, starring Brad Pitt as a lovable pikey boxer.

    Where my mother came from (County Roscommon, Ireland), they used to call ‘em “Tinkers”. Saw them in action when we visited there some years ago. Real lowlifes.

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    Yep, that's them. But they're, per Steve's phrase, Officially Homeless now. Note though that the justification is still that they are somehow a separate ethnicity, and therefore it would be racist to apply the law to them equally.
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  79. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    Many people express surprise that white Californians meekly accepted
    becoming a minority within only 20-30 years, the rate of change so fast
    that in Europe it would be referred to as ethnic cleansing. I think here's
    one reason why.

    I know a ton of people in Southern California, from the very affluent to merely
    middle class. All of them experienced obscene increases in their net worth,
    mainly due to the real estate they own. To pick a low-end example, someone
    I know bought a house in the area north of I-10 near La Brea Blvd, certainly
    not the most upscale part of Los Angeles, in 2000 for $120,000. Today this
    modest ranch home built in the 1920s is worth about $780,000. I also know
    a couple in Huntington Beach. They bought their house in the 1970s for
    next to nothing. Today the house is worth about a million. These people can't
    believe their luck (although they hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways).
    While the housing in the Midwest experienced little appreciation, SoCal, due
    to the population explosion, has made a lot of people rich beyond their wildest
    dreams.

    Tucker Carlson (who was raised in La Jolla) always says that due to high taxes, etc
    California is losing people. Not true. California may be losing the white middle
    class but is still increasing its population at the rate of at least 300,000 a year
    (counting only the legal residents). Its current population of about 40 million
    (37% white) is double what it was in the '60s. None of the people I know (all white)
    have plans to leave California anytime soon. Why should they? They know they're
    sitting on a ton of gold, and are as surprised by this development as I am.
    I remember most of them as impecunious college students. They may complain
    about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general, but they know
    that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

    Where my mother came from (County Roscommon, Ireland), they used to call ‘em “Tinkers”. Saw them in action when we visited there some years ago. Real lowlifes.

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  80. bomag says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Surely the obvious solution is to encourage the homeless to park their cars outside the judge's house.

    Surely the obvious solution is to encourage the homeless to park their cars outside the judge’s house.

    Obvious; but with the immunity judges enjoy, the cars will no doubt be quickly towed and shredded.

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  81. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    Many people express surprise that white Californians meekly accepted
    becoming a minority within only 20-30 years, the rate of change so fast
    that in Europe it would be referred to as ethnic cleansing. I think here's
    one reason why.

    I know a ton of people in Southern California, from the very affluent to merely
    middle class. All of them experienced obscene increases in their net worth,
    mainly due to the real estate they own. To pick a low-end example, someone
    I know bought a house in the area north of I-10 near La Brea Blvd, certainly
    not the most upscale part of Los Angeles, in 2000 for $120,000. Today this
    modest ranch home built in the 1920s is worth about $780,000. I also know
    a couple in Huntington Beach. They bought their house in the 1970s for
    next to nothing. Today the house is worth about a million. These people can't
    believe their luck (although they hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways).
    While the housing in the Midwest experienced little appreciation, SoCal, due
    to the population explosion, has made a lot of people rich beyond their wildest
    dreams.

    Tucker Carlson (who was raised in La Jolla) always says that due to high taxes, etc
    California is losing people. Not true. California may be losing the white middle
    class but is still increasing its population at the rate of at least 300,000 a year
    (counting only the legal residents). Its current population of about 40 million
    (37% white) is double what it was in the '60s. None of the people I know (all white)
    have plans to leave California anytime soon. Why should they? They know they're
    sitting on a ton of gold, and are as surprised by this development as I am.
    I remember most of them as impecunious college students. They may complain
    about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general, but they know
    that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

    I don’t doubt it, but that’s in LA though. And probably San Diego (never mind SanFran and San Jose). But does that apply to the ‘burbs? Not sure. I have a cousin in Pt. Hueneme (just south of Oxnard), who was born/raised in LA and who has thrown in the towel and wants out (Texas maybe). Their home has appreciated since they bought it eight years ago or so, but at a rate less than 100%.

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    I don't live in California but I know the area well and visit
    reasonably frequently. Let me give another example: A couple
    I know who live in Orange County not far from Disneyland.
    Back in 2008 they were complaining about their underwater
    mortgage when their modest ranch home was worth about $350,000.
    But in the last 10 years their house has been appreciating at the
    rate of $40,000 a year. On one hand they can't believe their current
    net worth. On the other, they're worried about their kids who can't
    possibly afford to buy a house at those prices. Let me be clear - I'm radically
    opposed to the insane levels of immigration we have today. California has no
    business having 40 million people. Without high immigration California
    would still attract people from other states as it did in the 1940s and '50s,
    houses would still appreciate in value but not at the destabilizing rates
    we have today.

    By the way, contrary to the propaganda, due to the high cost of living
    California's GDP(PPP) per capita is actually quite modest, comparable
    to Ohio IIRC. And in GDP(PPP) terms California is nowhere close to
    being the world's fifth largest economy. It would rank eleventh according
    to World Bank data.
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  82. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "...even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress. That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average."

    The powerful man will probably dump the mistress once he tires of her and her boobs start to sag a little, and especially if she presents him with a little, uh, present whom he'd rather not have to publicly acknowledge. Joe Average is far more likely to stay with her into old age, and if she really is quite pretty then he'll probably be Joe Above Average. Joe Above Average is usually quite proud to have her child.

    Yes, that is certainly the rational analysis.

    The rational analysis has little to do with who women are instinctually attracted to.

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  83. @Brutusale
    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn't even speak to his brother, whom he hadn't seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you'd have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you've done to them.

    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn’t even speak to his brother, whom he hadn’t seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them.

    If you are considering helping a homeless, possible schizo person, every single source of information and experience will say this very same thing.

    So if you are ever tempted to help an old friend, or simply human being, who life has ground down to living behind a dumpster, perish the notion and get back to munching Doritos and watching the game.

    Therein lies your grace and you can rest easy about an impulse to help, everyone else says it is okay for you to forget it and continue in your self-indulgence.

    Definitely the way the world gets better, isn’t it?

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    Nah, every time I'm in town and buttonholed by a bum "looking for a couple bucks for something to eat", I offer to buy them a slice of pizza or a sandwich. I can count the number of slices or sandwiches I've bought with one hand.

    I guess the local pizza shops should start spinning pies with pepperoni and extra heroin.

    Learn the lesson of the psychiatrist and the light bulb.
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  84. @Carol
    How many homeless are registered sex or violent offenders? Those guys can't live anywhere except trailer parks. Definitely not in subsidized lottery housing.

    Not to say that I am in favor of sex abuse or violence, of course.

    Around here, they live in tent cities. One such encampment was cleared by police this weekend:

    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Police-Move-Remaining-Homeless-Sex-Offenders-Out-Of-Encampment-482451171.html

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  85. @Wilkey
    "...even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress. That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average."

    The powerful man will probably dump the mistress once he tires of her and her boobs start to sag a little, and especially if she presents him with a little, uh, present whom he'd rather not have to publicly acknowledge. Joe Average is far more likely to stay with her into old age, and if she really is quite pretty then he'll probably be Joe Above Average. Joe Above Average is usually quite proud to have her child.

    Alas, the hamster follows its own base instincts.

    The Roissy types would say that, having been impregnated by Mr. Big, the mistress will attempt to snare a Joe Beta Schlump for financial support.

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  86. @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    True enough. Many of them are like the guy in this clip:

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  87. bomag says:
    @Anon 2
    Many people express surprise that white Californians meekly accepted
    becoming a minority within only 20-30 years, the rate of change so fast
    that in Europe it would be referred to as ethnic cleansing. I think here's
    one reason why.

    I know a ton of people in Southern California, from the very affluent to merely
    middle class. All of them experienced obscene increases in their net worth,
    mainly due to the real estate they own. To pick a low-end example, someone
    I know bought a house in the area north of I-10 near La Brea Blvd, certainly
    not the most upscale part of Los Angeles, in 2000 for $120,000. Today this
    modest ranch home built in the 1920s is worth about $780,000. I also know
    a couple in Huntington Beach. They bought their house in the 1970s for
    next to nothing. Today the house is worth about a million. These people can't
    believe their luck (although they hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways).
    While the housing in the Midwest experienced little appreciation, SoCal, due
    to the population explosion, has made a lot of people rich beyond their wildest
    dreams.

    Tucker Carlson (who was raised in La Jolla) always says that due to high taxes, etc
    California is losing people. Not true. California may be losing the white middle
    class but is still increasing its population at the rate of at least 300,000 a year
    (counting only the legal residents). Its current population of about 40 million
    (37% white) is double what it was in the '60s. None of the people I know (all white)
    have plans to leave California anytime soon. Why should they? They know they're
    sitting on a ton of gold, and are as surprised by this development as I am.
    I remember most of them as impecunious college students. They may complain
    about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general, but they know
    that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

    They may complain about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general (and hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways), but they know that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

    Seems to be entirely the wrong conclusion to draw.

    California has unique features that make it wealthy in spite of immigration, not because of it. Immigration qua immigration is not going to make anyone rich.

    If California needed more labor than it could supply locally, it should have used internal migration from around the country; mechanized; or did without.

    Counting your thirty pieces of silver, stuck in traffic, while things burn around you, is no success.

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    "California should have used internal migration" to supply its needs

    But who (other than the very young who don't mind having 3-4 roommates)
    can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it
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  88. bomag says:
    @Anon
    I’d say about 6,000 of them are Asian hucksters. They will continue living in their Richmond district 2 bedrooms house over a garage with 30 relatives.

    And they will rent out that low income apartment for maybe $5,000 a month while paying the housing authority $400 a month.

    Speaking of Chinese, here is a very common scam.

    The family owns Songs sweatshop. Sometimes it’s a real business, sometimes not. The family creates say 20 ghost employees. The family pays into the state unemployment fund for the ghost employees. The Songs know exactly how much to claim the ghost employee earns to get the maximum benefit when the ghost employee is laid off because of “ lack of work”

    Being Chinese, the Songs have good quality fake Id for the ghost employees.

    Nowadays filing for unemployment is all done online and the checks arrive. I think they have to go just once in person to the unemployment office.

    In the old days a Song family member had to go to the unemployment office in person to sign up and turn in the list of places they applied for work

    After the ghost employee gets all the unemployment possible, the ghost employee goes back to work and the Song family company sends unemployment contributions again.

    Every few years the name of Song Sweatshop is changed to Wong, Fong, Chong.

    This has been going on since unemployment was created in the 1930s I think. Used to be news articles every few years about how some business scammed the unemployment benefits. But since about 1995 it’s all covered up to avoid offense to the model minority.

    Another minor scan is their dry cleaners. They don’t send the clothes to the factory where they are dipped in the cleaning fluid. They just iron the dirty clothes and give them back to the customer.

    Gas pumps that charge a gallon more than is actually pumped? Routine!!

    Crab salad that’s actually chopped halibut? Routine since they took over the tourist trap restaurants.

    And because they are not White they get all the SBA loans and tax exemptions for their crooked businesses


    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.

    The Persian Armenian Russian Israeli Indian Paki entrepreneurs probably do it too.

    That’s how the model minority has such high incomes.

    One (discouraging) solution here is that the model minority soon raises up mobsters and gov’t officials that will “harvest” this excess wealth.

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  89. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    “Affordable Housing” = term for decorative structures/monuments saluting the modern breakthrough in streamlining mau-mau and influence-peddling, irrespective of any substantial, significant # of folks getting affordably housed and deriving some benefit from that; also “Dept. of Diversity and Compliance” = reserved non-male/NAM/non-productive job slots for people who majored in Community Organizing w/ minor in Knapsackology

    “Before I came to Google, I spent long hours in women’s prisons as a human rights lawyer…” — see? They’re on that!

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  90. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    > That is pretty horrible Steve… Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It’s easy, as organizations’ priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.

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    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It’s easy, as organizations’ priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.
     
    That's mighty presumptuous of you, hoss.
    , @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.
     
    Remarks like this indicate a mind that is straight through devotee of conventional wisdoms.

    That is ok, society requires the vast, vast majority of its members to think the same thoughts as others with only minor personal deviations.

    Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you are spouting. Why bother, really, do you think it is in any way a novel or even constructive thought in this discussion. You are just a parrot, as you admit quite explicitly.

    But armed with it in your private beliefs, like everyone else, sure, now you don't ever have to let stepping over that dude on the sidewalk conjure up the slightest unpleasantness, except perhaps his odor, in your personal filter bubble.

    How much other stuff in life do you accept so uncritically?

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  91. @ic1000
    > That is pretty horrible Steve... Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It's easy, as organizations' priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you're going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor's remark.

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It’s easy, as organizations’ priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.

    That’s mighty presumptuous of you, hoss.

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    > That’s mighty presumptuous of you, hoss.

    You are a pseudonymous commenter on Teh Intrawebs, so there isn't much to presume about. Your brief comment indicated a lack of first-hand experience with homelessness. Explain yourself more fully and I'll revise my (Bayesian) priors.
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  92. @ic1000
    > That is pretty horrible Steve... Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It's easy, as organizations' priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you're going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor's remark.

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.

    Remarks like this indicate a mind that is straight through devotee of conventional wisdoms.

    That is ok, society requires the vast, vast majority of its members to think the same thoughts as others with only minor personal deviations.

    Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you are spouting. Why bother, really, do you think it is in any way a novel or even constructive thought in this discussion. You are just a parrot, as you admit quite explicitly.

    But armed with it in your private beliefs, like everyone else, sure, now you don’t ever have to let stepping over that dude on the sidewalk conjure up the slightest unpleasantness, except perhaps his odor, in your personal filter bubble.

    How much other stuff in life do you accept so uncritically?

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    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity.

    I have. Your arrogant assumptions about both the homeless and those who refrain from offering them goods and services are part of the problem. It's called "enabling" and it does more harm than good.

    And nobody knows this better than the homeless. The same filthy stinking bum whose eyes well up with tears when you hand him all the cash you have on you will laugh his ass off at you with his buddies as they swill the MD 2020 your money and smug self-righteousness bought him.

    You're incorrigible and ineducable. Go away. Just go away.

    N.B. I'm one of the few homeless who kept their noses and the rest of themselves clean while living on the street. No stealing, no panhandling, no dealing dope, no whoring, no public defecating or urinating, etc. It can be done just as getting off the street without governmental or charitable help can be done. But it isn't easy, which is why most don't bother. And there are always arrogant ******** like you to help them. You are two sides of the same coin.
    , @ic1000
    > [snip] ... Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you [ic1000] are spouting... [snip]

    Scott Alexander recently pointed out that 'social shaming' is not a very effective debating technique, if insight is a goal.

    I'm not sure how you assess the 'the conventional wisdom,' but by most measures, Sailer's blog is not a promising place to seek it.
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  93. ic1000 says:

    Not really OT — NBC News had a “Dry Streets Cause Rain” segment on today’s Sunday morning show, After stop and frisk, the NYPD reinvents policing yet again. Murder rates in NYC are going down: why, why, why? Nice white lady reporter Stephanie Goss discovers that the NYPD’s latest Great Idea has been to replace Stop And Frisk with community policing — that’s the new and hopeful explanation!

    Particularly amusing, if you notice more than Stephanie does, is the backdrop at the 3:05 mark, as community policing is shown in action in Washington Heights, “a once crime-ridden neighborhood that is now almost unrecognizable from a decade ago.” Moms, toddlers, and kids are cavorting in the park under the benevolent gaze of cops and cameras. Gentrification has bequeathed this once crime-ridden neighborhood with the ethnic makeup of a delightfully diverse Vanity Fair fashion spread.

    Electing a new people is an all around winner, unless you’re a loser that deserves to lose (Yonkers, Ferguson, Baltimore).

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  94. Particularly amusing, if you notice more than Stephanie does, is the backdrop at the 3:05 mark, as community policing is shown in action in Washington Heights, “a once crime-ridden neighborhood that is now almost unrecognizable from a decade ago.” Moms, toddlers, and kids are cavorting in the park under the benevolent gaze of cops and cameras. Gentrification has bequeathed this once crime-ridden neighborhood with the ethnic makeup of a delightfully diverse Vanity Fair fashion spread.

    Electing a new people is an all around winner, unless you’re a loser that deserves to lose

    The discussions on iSteve are generally supportive of the long campaigns against consanguinity in the middle ages in european society.

    Most of you hold it up as something quite good, comparing yourselves favorably against Pakistanis with their alleged cousin marriages or whatever.

    Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity, which goes back to at least the Roman Empire.

    And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    Your tribal, selfish gene impulses have as much mischief in them as sexual ones. It is right and proper for society to discourage and regulate the unruly aspects of these atavistic iimpulses.

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    And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.
     
    Out-breeding is not necessarily a good thing. It is clear you don't understand some things about genetics.
    , @ic1000
    > Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity... And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    You don't seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick's posts on the Hajnal Line, she's given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.
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  95. BenKenobi says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    If Steve wrote about this, I missed it, but back in March a judge in Seattle ruled that if a person is living in a vehicle parked on a street, cops can't tow it.

    He had been living in his 2000 GMC pickup, parked on a side street, but the city of Seattle towed it because Long had violated a city rule that requires vehicles be moved every 72 hours.

    That impound set up an unusual court ruling Friday that advocates for homeless people and the city both say could have broad implications on the crisis of homelessness.

    King County Superior Court Judge Catherine Shaffer ruled that the city’s impoundment of Long’s truck violated the state’s homestead act — a frontier-era law that protects properties from forced sale — because he was using it as a home.

    More than 2,300 people were living in their vehicles on the night of King County’s 2017 homeless point-in-time count — 20 percent of the county’s homeless population.

    Police and parking-enforcement officers could now find themselves in a bind if they can’t definitively determine whether a vehicle is simply abandoned or is someone’s home, said Assistant City Attorney Michael Ryan.

    By following the logic of Long’s legal team, Ryan argued in court Friday, “Someone could park right here in front of the court house on Fifth Avenue, and we couldn’t tow them, or if we did tow them, we couldn’t put them in impound. We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”

    “We’d have to put them somewhere else and we couldn’t charge them at all for it, because if we did, we’d violate the constitution if they were living in that vehicle.”
     
    Reportedly the local authorities would like to appeal the ruling, but are afraid that they'll lose, creating a precedent that covers the entire state.

    It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm sure that if it does somehow stand, TPTB will find some way to make sure that the homeless aren't able to park their vehicles in the nicest neighborhoods.

    I live in my car. My car is my home — that shouldn’t be open liquor. Cops pull you over in your house, how can that be open liquor?

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  96. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    What's the giant heavyweight boxing champ who sings karaoke from the ring after his victories? I can't remember, is he a pikey?

    This gypsy boxer has a Dario Fo biography

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Trollmann

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  97. Rod1963 says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    Steve;s opinion is correct and isn’t.

    There is a large segment of the homeless that are plain ass crazy, violent and prone to criminality. Many are also druggies and boozers. They don’t want to he helped, they want to do their own thing and are dangerous. This is why they are on the street. Their families had enough of their crap and tossed them out.

    And yeah they end up in hospitals which they use as flop houses when the weather gets bad. I got stuck with several of them in my room and they are total thieving scum. They stink like trash, refuse to clean themselves, etc. I remember one young piece of street trash who thought it was funny the nurses were lecturing him about his blood sugar levels being sky high and being pre-diabetic.

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    My girlfriend had a homeless patient last month who liked to masturbate in front of the nurses.
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  98. @Tiny Duck
    You guys REALLY need to watch Dear white people on Netflix

    It does a good job of explaining how white supremacy built our nation

    People of Color were milked milked not given houses not given jobs and dhandered

    It's time the equity

    Odd how white people “milking” POC was so necessary to build the USA, yet here in Oz we never had widespread legal slavery etc and still managed to create a flourishing 1st world state on earth’s second-most uninhabitable continent.

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    Everybody knows the Sidney Opera House was built by Aboriginals.
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  99. Travis says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Pat Buchanan should've been president.

    "Make America first again."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBm7SZ_WjYY

    Trump used the Buchanan / Perot platform to win in 2016….but such an agenda was not a winner for Buchanan in 1992 , he failed to beat Bush in the GOP primaries and obtained just 23% of the GOP primary votes. I suppose if Buchanan had won the GOP primary in 1992 he may well have defeated Clinton, because Perot would have supported Buchanan….but in 1992 the GOP embraced open borders, having just passed the Immigration Act of 1990 which increased legal immigration by 100% , created the Diversity Lottery and the H1B visa program while expanding the 1986 amnesty program…

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    Trump used the Buchanan / Perot platform to win in 2016….but such an agenda was not a winner for Buchanan in 1992 , he failed to beat Bush in the GOP primaries and obtained just 23% of the GOP primary votes. I suppose if Buchanan had won the GOP primary in 1992 he may well have defeated Clinton, because Perot would have supported Buchanan….but in 1992 the GOP embraced open borders, having just passed the Immigration Act of 1990 which increased legal immigration by 100% , created the Diversity Lottery and the H1B visa program while expanding the 1986 amnesty program…
     
    Buchanan was a loudmouth blowhard who couldn't make it work for him. He seems to faded recently, never hear about him anymore, and don't miss it. Like George Will, just the noise level going by.

    I have never understood why anyone listens to a word guys like Will or Buchanan have to say.

    Undeniably though, it was probably a good gig for both of them personally.

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  100. Over-breeders ought to be very publicly held accountable for their own selfish/ignorant/stupid/unsustainable behavior.

    The rest of us owe them nothing.

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  101. Benjaminl says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    From my experience with homeless individuals who I've known personally, I'd have to say this is generally true.

    It's not nice to say, but most homeless people tend to be moochers and often even outright thieves. They will bleed you dry financially before moving on to their next victim. Many of them have no respect for property and often make their surrounding environment totally filthy. A fair percentage of them seem involved in illegal activities too.

    If you bring them into your life and your home, they'll outrageously tax your compassion and ruin the quality of your life. I'm not saying that we shouldn't help out the homeless in some ways (such as food donations or opening more shelters), but don't bring a homeless person into your home. It's almost always a huge mistake. The homeless will take maximum advantage of you.

    I base this off my experiences with homeless acquaintances who are all White (disproportionately Scots-Irish). I'd assume that with homeless Blacks, the problems are even worse.

    Conservatives always say the solution to homelessness is private charity. From my experience, the opposite is true. The homeless need help from government social workers to find shelter accomodation, sober up, get jobs, become financially independent, and stop taking advantage of people. The homeless should not be given help from private citizens. Private charity is seldomly effective and often ends up runing the charitable person/family in the process.

    A commenter here once recommended Marvin Olasky’s book The Tragedy of American Compassion for some historical context (review by Daniel Bazikian; emphasis added).

    https://fee.org/articles/book-review-the-tragedy-of-american-compassion-by-marvin-olasky/

    Other strong concepts also emanated from this theistic outlook: Giving was to be done not mechanically but from a spirit of genuine love; almoners of charity were to acquaint themselves personally with the poor, so as to discern better who deserved aid and who did not; moral and spiritual guidance was to be dispensed along with material aid; because men’s sinfulness often prompted them to abuse charity, donors were advised to withhold it at times; and giving was done in such a way as to strengthen and encourage family life. Charity of this type not only characterized the predominantly Protestant population, but also the small Catholic and even smaller Jewish minorities as well…

    Up to the 1840s, a general consensus still prevailed regarding society’s treatment of the poor. Charity was handled mainly through private efforts. Government support of the poor was limited. The English system of indiscriminate state aid to the poor was scorned as degrading to the recipients.

    That decade witnessed the first serious challenge to this consensus. Horace Greeley, founder and editor of the New York Tribune as well as a theological Universalist and utopian socialist, believed in the natural goodness of man, as well as the corrupting influence of capitalist society. According to Greeley, every person had a right to both eternal salvation and temporal prosperity, and poverty was to be alleviated by redistributing the wealth to everyone without making moral distinctions as to the recipients.

    Later in the century came the attack of the Social Darwinists, who viewed the struggle within society in terms of the survival of the economic fittest. Character, they contended, was hereditary, and attempting to lift those poor souls from the grips of vice and poverty was therefore useless. Both of these attacks were ably and articulately confronted by those holding Christian views of charity.

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    I believe that I was that commenter.

    Olasky's book is very good. Even if you don't buy into his vision of Christian charity, The Tragedy of American Compassion gives insight into a worldview and way of organizing society that now feels like another world. We are so accustomed to The State looming over all that it's hard to grasp how different things once were -- and not really so long ago.
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  102. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man's mistress.

    That's a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to "have illegals backs" and be part of "the Resistance" to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That's privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema's desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

    You need to get out more. Your involuntary celibacy won’t be solved by sitting in front of your computer night and day.

    It’s obvious from your posts that you haven’t got any for years

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  103. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @DCThrowback
    The success of the (D) party means the High and the Low squeeze the middle. In the (D) party, who makes up 87% of (D)s who make more than $120K/year and want higher taxes?

    My guess includes: coastal libertines, lawyers, educational bureaucrats, teh gays, the talented tenth, and ((())) along w/ the venn diagrams that intersect among them all.

    There’s an election coming up. Nothing but millionaire and billionaire California democrats on TV promising more welfare to illegal immigrants. More free health care. On and on

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    So you noticed that too? I wonder how Democrats can listen to the same smarmy, corrupt, filthy-rich con artists blather about this group and that program, year after year, and still buy into any of it. Good old Diane Feinstein. Going for a 5th Senate term at 85. Check out her website and look at her priorities:

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/

    She's against assault weapons and in favor of illegals. She opposes Republicans and breast cancer (they're secretly the same thing, don't you know). Nothing about the economy, or jobs, or morality, or Americans, or freedom, or law and order.
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  104. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "...even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man’s mistress. That’s a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average."

    The powerful man will probably dump the mistress once he tires of her and her boobs start to sag a little, and especially if she presents him with a little, uh, present whom he'd rather not have to publicly acknowledge. Joe Average is far more likely to stay with her into old age, and if she really is quite pretty then he'll probably be Joe Above Average. Joe Above Average is usually quite proud to have her child.

    Whiskey’s a celibate on welfare. That’s why he can spend his life in front of his computer fantasizing about women.

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  105. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Hereditary Privileges are part and parcel of a deeply feminized population. Among other things, historians have noted that in the High and Late Middle Ages, Republics like Venice, Switzerland, Genoa, etc. tended to restrict the ability of women to enter into Guilds, become masters, etc. while Monarchies were more permissive. Highly unequal societies are better for women since it makes Alphas more obvious and powerful compared to ordinary men, and even the lowest woman if she is pretty enough can be a powerful man's mistress.

    That's a lot better than being the wife of Joe Average. So women support hereditary privilege because, yes they benefit from it greatly. And hereditary privilege and ownership was a feature of American life by the 1960s. Bill Ayers never went to jail because his father was the Chairman of the Board of Commonwealth Edison. The whole point of the Civil Rights movement was to give hereditary privilege to Black people like the Kennedys and Roosevelts and other great dynasts had.

    To a great deal, this is already the law of the land. Now illegal aliens are defacto privileged, Xavier Becerra is running ads here in CA promising to "have illegals backs" and be part of "the Resistance" to Donald Trump and embrace privileges for illegals. Already the State has mandated that illegal aliens not be charged with any felony so Trump cannot deport them. That's privilege, akin to Medieval college students claiming benefit of clergy, i.e. being able to be tried because they were scholars only by the Church not secular authorities.

    The only ones without privileges are Joe Average. Who will eventually either be driven into the sea ala Julius Malema's desire for South African Whites, or made into legal serfs with their lesser legal status officially codified instead of being informal now.

    Gun control? Its aimed at preventing Deplorables from owning weapons. Private bodyguards of the rich and powerful, the Law Enforcement hereditary guild, and various Vibrants are of course able to own whatever they want.

    Men today have girl friends. But the idea of a girl friend who supported in luxury or just middle class comfort by the boyfriend is obsolete.

    You just sit in front of your computer looking at porn all day. Your strange and unrealistic comments about women are the results

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  106. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    Many people express surprise that white Californians meekly accepted
    becoming a minority within only 20-30 years, the rate of change so fast
    that in Europe it would be referred to as ethnic cleansing. I think here's
    one reason why.

    I know a ton of people in Southern California, from the very affluent to merely
    middle class. All of them experienced obscene increases in their net worth,
    mainly due to the real estate they own. To pick a low-end example, someone
    I know bought a house in the area north of I-10 near La Brea Blvd, certainly
    not the most upscale part of Los Angeles, in 2000 for $120,000. Today this
    modest ranch home built in the 1920s is worth about $780,000. I also know
    a couple in Huntington Beach. They bought their house in the 1970s for
    next to nothing. Today the house is worth about a million. These people can't
    believe their luck (although they hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways).
    While the housing in the Midwest experienced little appreciation, SoCal, due
    to the population explosion, has made a lot of people rich beyond their wildest
    dreams.

    Tucker Carlson (who was raised in La Jolla) always says that due to high taxes, etc
    California is losing people. Not true. California may be losing the white middle
    class but is still increasing its population at the rate of at least 300,000 a year
    (counting only the legal residents). Its current population of about 40 million
    (37% white) is double what it was in the '60s. None of the people I know (all white)
    have plans to leave California anytime soon. Why should they? They know they're
    sitting on a ton of gold, and are as surprised by this development as I am.
    I remember most of them as impecunious college students. They may complain
    about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general, but they know
    that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.

    There wasn’t much we could do. We passed 2 propositions 187 and 209. 187 was overturned by the courts and 209 has never been enforced.

    There is also the fact that the wealthy Whites want us gone so they can deal only with Indian Asian and Hispanic Indian workers

    The house that went from $200,000 to a million in a few years, but it really doesn’t bring any money. The taxes rise salary remains the same. Affirmative action means we can’t count on promotions or a better paid job to keep up with the taxes.

    A house, no matter how much it’s worth is just a place to live until you sell it.

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  107. @Dave from Oz
    Odd how white people "milking" POC was so necessary to build the USA, yet here in Oz we never had widespread legal slavery etc and still managed to create a flourishing 1st world state on earth's second-most uninhabitable continent.

    Everybody knows the Sidney Opera House was built by Aboriginals.

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  108. @Travis
    Trump used the Buchanan / Perot platform to win in 2016....but such an agenda was not a winner for Buchanan in 1992 , he failed to beat Bush in the GOP primaries and obtained just 23% of the GOP primary votes. I suppose if Buchanan had won the GOP primary in 1992 he may well have defeated Clinton, because Perot would have supported Buchanan....but in 1992 the GOP embraced open borders, having just passed the Immigration Act of 1990 which increased legal immigration by 100% , created the Diversity Lottery and the H1B visa program while expanding the 1986 amnesty program...

    Trump used the Buchanan / Perot platform to win in 2016….but such an agenda was not a winner for Buchanan in 1992 , he failed to beat Bush in the GOP primaries and obtained just 23% of the GOP primary votes. I suppose if Buchanan had won the GOP primary in 1992 he may well have defeated Clinton, because Perot would have supported Buchanan….but in 1992 the GOP embraced open borders, having just passed the Immigration Act of 1990 which increased legal immigration by 100% , created the Diversity Lottery and the H1B visa program while expanding the 1986 amnesty program…

    Buchanan was a loudmouth blowhard who couldn’t make it work for him. He seems to faded recently, never hear about him anymore, and don’t miss it. Like George Will, just the noise level going by.

    I have never understood why anyone listens to a word guys like Will or Buchanan have to say.

    Undeniably though, it was probably a good gig for both of them personally.

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  109. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on."

    Bingo. That description fits one or two of the guys I grew up with, alas. I have a spare bedroom in my house, and I'd love to be able to help some homeless dude out with it. But I don't want my house thrashed, and my possessions ripped off, so....

    Miles Davis’s description of the year he let Charley Parker live in his apartment is pretty funny. Charlie sold all of Miles’ suits for drugs, then sold all of his furniture. Parker never wound up homeless, I believe, because he was the greatest talent in jazz and he could find new people to sponge off of, but take away some of that talent and he would likely have been out on the street until he cleaned up his act.

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  110. @The Man From K Street

    Let’s create a US Service Corps to induct them and give them three hots and a cot, but they have to march and do stuff, even if makework. 
     
    Not really feasible. Now, Steve has several times advocated for something like this, some kind of uniformed, unarmed paramilitary "Service Corps" or civil guard that would, I dunno, pick up empty beer cans in Yosemite. But, citing some personal interactions he and other commenters have had, the idea is for such a service branch is for young, underclass men who actually do want, and look forward to, the discipline and pride that come with military life, but realize to their embarrassment when they try to enlist in the actual Armed Forces, that they don't make the IQ cut-off.

    It just won't work for so many of the kind of homeless people you're talking about. Even at the height of the Depression, the Civilian Conservation Corps and other make-work quasi-military programs back then, didn't take just anyone. If you were what they called a "vagrant," and pretty clearly mentally off in some serious ways, they knew you wouldn't add any value and in fact would probably be a retardant to those who did qualify mentally despite their lack of brains.

    The one time in history that the US Government *really* had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and throw out all fail safes in desperation for manpower--about 16 months from mid-1943 to the fall of '44, the results were disastrous--that was how the Army got stuck with the Louis Tills and Eddie Sloviks of the world. By the end of '44/start of '45 the birth cohort coming online for the draft was larger, and the military got the breathing space to get back to bei g more selective.

    Irving Kristol got sent to Basic Training with a bunch of guys from Cicero, IL, the mafia base south of Oak Park, IL. It cured him of his Marxism: I’m not sure we can Build Socialism with this crew.

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    Irving Kristol got sent to Basic Training with a bunch of guys from Cicero, IL
     
    Oh, the humanity . . .
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  111. @bomag
    Dear Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative,

    It is rather mean of you to suggest Steve has a mean streak when he points out a rather obvious truth.

    Please relate your successful interventions in the lives of the homeless.

    Please relate your successful interventions in the lives of the homeless.

    Let’s suppose I have had one or several. How would relating my personal experience(s) change the discussion here?

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  112. 1661er says:
    @gunner29

    Why are well-off Democrats the most supportive of policies seemingly adverse to their own interests? And, most important, how reliable is elite support for this redistributive agenda?
     
    Publicly they support it; privately they're working to make sure it never happens. Every once in a while you'll see some hard core lefty with the IRS on their ass for tax evasion.

    Whenever I saw this poster on BART or MUNI Bus Stops, there is almost always a homeless/bum sleeping right in front of it. Make me wonder how much better if we have the almost 400 square miles of lands to build housing on.

    And if you read its own oral history about its founding, it’s mostly class warfare by rich owners of Berkeley Hill houses. Even more recently, there are still NIMBYs in Berkeley that are willing to say that they were against a housing development for being “too tall, it will block my bridge view sitting on toilet or lying back in my bathtub, I would have to stand up to see Golden Gate Bridge.”

    https://blog.savesfbay.org/2013/09/bay-or-river/

    Kay, Esther, and I sat in Kay’s living room in the Berkeley Hills, nervous, yet hopeful. We heard a car pulling into the driveway and I said to my friends, “Here we go.” Surely these men who cared so much about redwoods and birds would also want to save our

    Esther served coffee as we took our seats. On one side of the shiny coffee table sat the three of us “tea ladies” in our colorful suits. On the other side, facing the big window with views of the Golden Gate Bridge towering above the glistening blue water, sat three men in dark suits –

    It was 1960 in Berkeley, California. While the free speech movement was gearing up at the University of Berkeley just down the hill, there was also a “progressive” movement to fill in the Bay.

    Our first move was to lobby for a new state agency that could regulate development. Senator Eugene McAteer was business friendly, but he also had a restaurant on the Bay. Kay convinced him that it would be good for business to protect this natural resource.

    If Trump want to vote out Nancy Pelosi, he can start by fill the bay and settle it with modern day “Arkies” and “Orkies.” In the main time, open up GGNRA, Treasure Islands and other lands under federal control for housing, ruin the view of Barbara Boxer/Gavin Newsome from Greenbrae/Kentfield.

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    If Trump want to vote out Nancy Pelosi, he can start by fill the bay and settle it with modern day “Arkies” and “Orkies.” In the main time, open up GGNRA, Treasure Islands and other lands under federal control for housing, ruin the view of Barbara Boxer/Gavin Newsome from Greenbrae/Kentfield.
     
    AIMBY: Always In Meathead's Back Yard.
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  113. @Benjaminl
    A commenter here once recommended Marvin Olasky's book The Tragedy of American Compassion for some historical context (review by Daniel Bazikian; emphasis added).

    https://fee.org/articles/book-review-the-tragedy-of-american-compassion-by-marvin-olasky/

    Other strong concepts also emanated from this theistic outlook: Giving was to be done not mechanically but from a spirit of genuine love; almoners of charity were to acquaint themselves personally with the poor, so as to discern better who deserved aid and who did not; moral and spiritual guidance was to be dispensed along with material aid; because men’s sinfulness often prompted them to abuse charity, donors were advised to withhold it at times; and giving was done in such a way as to strengthen and encourage family life. Charity of this type not only characterized the predominantly Protestant population, but also the small Catholic and even smaller Jewish minorities as well...

    Up to the 1840s, a general consensus still prevailed regarding society’s treatment of the poor. Charity was handled mainly through private efforts. Government support of the poor was limited. The English system of indiscriminate state aid to the poor was scorned as degrading to the recipients.

    That decade witnessed the first serious challenge to this consensus. Horace Greeley, founder and editor of the New York Tribune as well as a theological Universalist and utopian socialist, believed in the natural goodness of man, as well as the corrupting influence of capitalist society. According to Greeley, every person had a right to both eternal salvation and temporal prosperity, and poverty was to be alleviated by redistributing the wealth to everyone without making moral distinctions as to the recipients.

    Later in the century came the attack of the Social Darwinists, who viewed the struggle within society in terms of the survival of the economic fittest. Character, they contended, was hereditary, and attempting to lift those poor souls from the grips of vice and poverty was therefore useless. Both of these attacks were ably and articulately confronted by those holding Christian views of charity.
     

    I believe that I was that commenter.

    Olasky’s book is very good. Even if you don’t buy into his vision of Christian charity, The Tragedy of American Compassion gives insight into a worldview and way of organizing society that now feels like another world. We are so accustomed to The State looming over all that it’s hard to grasp how different things once were — and not really so long ago.

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    Thank you! I apologize for being too lazy to look up the comment and give you proper credit. Thanks again for the recommendation.
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  114. Anon 2 says:
    @bomag

    They may complain about illegal immigration and excessive immigration in general (and hate the permanent gridlock on the freeways), but they know that without it their net worth would not be anywhere close to what it is now.
     
    Seems to be entirely the wrong conclusion to draw.

    California has unique features that make it wealthy in spite of immigration, not because of it. Immigration qua immigration is not going to make anyone rich.

    If California needed more labor than it could supply locally, it should have used internal migration from around the country; mechanized; or did without.

    Counting your thirty pieces of silver, stuck in traffic, while things burn around you, is no success.

    “California should have used internal migration” to supply its needs

    But who (other than the very young who don’t mind having 3-4 roommates)
    can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it

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    But who... can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it
     
    Then California gets by with fewer people.

    Where is it written that people have to impoverish themselves for the sake of California?
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  115. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous
    I don't doubt it, but that's in LA though. And probably San Diego (never mind SanFran and San Jose). But does that apply to the 'burbs? Not sure. I have a cousin in Pt. Hueneme (just south of Oxnard), who was born/raised in LA and who has thrown in the towel and wants out (Texas maybe). Their home has appreciated since they bought it eight years ago or so, but at a rate less than 100%.

    I don’t live in California but I know the area well and visit
    reasonably frequently. Let me give another example: A couple
    I know who live in Orange County not far from Disneyland.
    Back in 2008 they were complaining about their underwater
    mortgage when their modest ranch home was worth about $350,000.
    But in the last 10 years their house has been appreciating at the
    rate of $40,000 a year. On one hand they can’t believe their current
    net worth. On the other, they’re worried about their kids who can’t
    possibly afford to buy a house at those prices. Let me be clear – I’m radically
    opposed to the insane levels of immigration we have today. California has no
    business having 40 million people. Without high immigration California
    would still attract people from other states as it did in the 1940s and ’50s,
    houses would still appreciate in value but not at the destabilizing rates
    we have today.

    By the way, contrary to the propaganda, due to the high cost of living
    California’s GDP(PPP) per capita is actually quite modest, comparable
    to Ohio IIRC. And in GDP(PPP) terms California is nowhere close to
    being the world’s fifth largest economy. It would rank eleventh according
    to World Bank data.

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    Based on California's continuing population explosion (annual population
    increase of at least 300,000) and the stratospheric cost of housing, I sadly
    conclude that California's homeless population will continue to increase
    exponentially into the foreseeable future, spreading epidemics and turning
    libraries into homeless shelters. California's political system has failed
    completely
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  116. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2
    I don't live in California but I know the area well and visit
    reasonably frequently. Let me give another example: A couple
    I know who live in Orange County not far from Disneyland.
    Back in 2008 they were complaining about their underwater
    mortgage when their modest ranch home was worth about $350,000.
    But in the last 10 years their house has been appreciating at the
    rate of $40,000 a year. On one hand they can't believe their current
    net worth. On the other, they're worried about their kids who can't
    possibly afford to buy a house at those prices. Let me be clear - I'm radically
    opposed to the insane levels of immigration we have today. California has no
    business having 40 million people. Without high immigration California
    would still attract people from other states as it did in the 1940s and '50s,
    houses would still appreciate in value but not at the destabilizing rates
    we have today.

    By the way, contrary to the propaganda, due to the high cost of living
    California's GDP(PPP) per capita is actually quite modest, comparable
    to Ohio IIRC. And in GDP(PPP) terms California is nowhere close to
    being the world's fifth largest economy. It would rank eleventh according
    to World Bank data.

    Based on California’s continuing population explosion (annual population
    increase of at least 300,000) and the stratospheric cost of housing, I sadly
    conclude that California’s homeless population will continue to increase
    exponentially into the foreseeable future, spreading epidemics and turning
    libraries into homeless shelters. California’s political system has failed
    completely

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  117. @Steve Sailer
    Irving Kristol got sent to Basic Training with a bunch of guys from Cicero, IL, the mafia base south of Oak Park, IL. It cured him of his Marxism: I'm not sure we can Build Socialism with this crew.

    Irving Kristol got sent to Basic Training with a bunch of guys from Cicero, IL

    Oh, the humanity . . .

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  118. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @1661er
    Whenever I saw this poster on BART or MUNI Bus Stops, there is almost always a homeless/bum sleeping right in front of it. Make me wonder how much better if we have the almost 400 square miles of lands to build housing on.

    https://blog.savesfbay.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bayorriver-e1339627205395.jpg

    And if you read its own oral history about its founding, it's mostly class warfare by rich owners of Berkeley Hill houses. Even more recently, there are still NIMBYs in Berkeley that are willing to say that they were against a housing development for being "too tall, it will block my bridge view sitting on toilet or lying back in my bathtub, I would have to stand up to see Golden Gate Bridge."

    https://blog.savesfbay.org/2013/09/bay-or-river/


    Kay, Esther, and I sat in Kay’s living room in the Berkeley Hills, nervous, yet hopeful. We heard a car pulling into the driveway and I said to my friends, “Here we go.” Surely these men who cared so much about redwoods and birds would also want to save our

    Esther served coffee as we took our seats. On one side of the shiny coffee table sat the three of us “tea ladies” in our colorful suits. On the other side, facing the big window with views of the Golden Gate Bridge towering above the glistening blue water, sat three men in dark suits –
    ...
    It was 1960 in Berkeley, California. While the free speech movement was gearing up at the University of Berkeley just down the hill, there was also a “progressive” movement to fill in the Bay.
    ...
    Our first move was to lobby for a new state agency that could regulate development. Senator Eugene McAteer was business friendly, but he also had a restaurant on the Bay. Kay convinced him that it would be good for business to protect this natural resource.
     

    If Trump want to vote out Nancy Pelosi, he can start by fill the bay and settle it with modern day "Arkies" and "Orkies." In the main time, open up GGNRA, Treasure Islands and other lands under federal control for housing, ruin the view of Barbara Boxer/Gavin Newsome from Greenbrae/Kentfield.

    If Trump want to vote out Nancy Pelosi, he can start by fill the bay and settle it with modern day “Arkies” and “Orkies.” In the main time, open up GGNRA, Treasure Islands and other lands under federal control for housing, ruin the view of Barbara Boxer/Gavin Newsome from Greenbrae/Kentfield.

    AIMBY: Always In Meathead’s Back Yard.

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  119. @Anonymous
    Many Chinese are two,three or four people on paper. They are retroactively born in the US, get a SSN, drivers license, et al and build two, there or four identities. Work 40 quarters and you get Social Security under each ID. Plus the cherry on top: bring in a relative from China and he takes on this American citizen’s identity in toto. I mean, to the DMV they do look all alike.

    Chinese are literally ideally tailored to work the classic ‘paper trip’. Indifferentiable to dumb white or black bureaucrats, named in a language that can be phoneticized in many ways, from a group that often has second generation members with a pronounced accent, and above all smart enough to work the system better than blacks, mestizos or prole whites.....

    They are retroactively born in the US

    How does one accomplish this? Asking for a friend.

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  120. @ThreeCranes
    A stick-built framed house or shed, tiny or big, held together as it is with metal pins at the joints is very resistant to catastrophic damage by earthquake. Generally, they don't collapse, bend but don't break, with the sticks pivoting about the joints as they do. Persons in such homes survive while people in unreinforced masonry homes are found crushed in the rubble, which is why earthquakes result in high death tolls in places with inadequate or unenforced building standards such as Latin America.

    Is this why American houses are always made out of wood? One always wonders why there aren’t more brick houses over there when one sees a tornado on the news

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    Balloon frame wood houses were invented perhaps in Chicago before the Civil War. They were faster to build and technically less demanding of craft skills than timber, brick, or stone houses, as long you could afford nails, which Americans generally could. And if it turned out you had picked the wrong town on the frontier to build a house in, you could rapidly disassemble your house, load it on wagons and haul it to what you hoped was going to be the real boom town.
    , @sayless
    A tornado can lift a wooden structure off its foundation and carry it away; if the people are in the basement they may survive. I knew a couple who made it through the Palm Sunday tornadoes in this way.

    But brick is very bad. Brick houses implode during a tornado and the rubble crashes down into the basement.

    ...And, avoid trailer parks, because they cause tornadoes.
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  121. @Matthew McConnagay
    Is this why American houses are always made out of wood? One always wonders why there aren't more brick houses over there when one sees a tornado on the news

    Balloon frame wood houses were invented perhaps in Chicago before the Civil War. They were faster to build and technically less demanding of craft skills than timber, brick, or stone houses, as long you could afford nails, which Americans generally could. And if it turned out you had picked the wrong town on the frontier to build a house in, you could rapidly disassemble your house, load it on wagons and haul it to what you hoped was going to be the real boom town.

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    Balloon frame wood houses were invented perhaps in Chicago before the Civil War. They were faster to build and technically less demanding of craft skills than timber, brick, or stone houses, as long you could afford nails, which Americans generally could. And if it turned out you had picked the wrong town on the frontier to build a house in, you could rapidly disassemble your house, load it on wagons and haul it to what you hoped was going to be the real boom town.

     

    Balloon frame wood construction doesn't seem so different from the wood frame construction of colonial coastal America. To hell with Chicago!

    The separate floor unit construction brings to mind the sectionalized submarine construction that Albert Speer cooked up.
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  122. @anonymous
    Where my mother came from (County Roscommon, Ireland), they used to call 'em "Tinkers". Saw them in action when we visited there some years ago. Real lowlifes.

    Yep, that’s them. But they’re, per Steve’s phrase, Officially Homeless now. Note though that the justification is still that they are somehow a separate ethnicity, and therefore it would be racist to apply the law to them equally.

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  123. bomag says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    Particularly amusing, if you notice more than Stephanie does, is the backdrop at the 3:05 mark, as community policing is shown in action in Washington Heights, “a once crime-ridden neighborhood that is now almost unrecognizable from a decade ago.” Moms, toddlers, and kids are cavorting in the park under the benevolent gaze of cops and cameras. Gentrification has bequeathed this once crime-ridden neighborhood with the ethnic makeup of a delightfully diverse Vanity Fair fashion spread.

    Electing a new people is an all around winner, unless you’re a loser that deserves to lose
     

    The discussions on iSteve are generally supportive of the long campaigns against consanguinity in the middle ages in european society.

    Most of you hold it up as something quite good, comparing yourselves favorably against Pakistanis with their alleged cousin marriages or whatever.

    Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity, which goes back to at least the Roman Empire.

    And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    Your tribal, selfish gene impulses have as much mischief in them as sexual ones. It is right and proper for society to discourage and regulate the unruly aspects of these atavistic iimpulses.

    And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    Out-breeding is not necessarily a good thing. It is clear you don’t understand some things about genetics.

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  124. bomag says:
    @Anon 2
    "California should have used internal migration" to supply its needs

    But who (other than the very young who don't mind having 3-4 roommates)
    can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it

    But who… can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it

    Then California gets by with fewer people.

    Where is it written that people have to impoverish themselves for the sake of California?

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    "Then California gets by with fewer people"

    It's not going to happen. Nothing indicates that California's
    population explosion will end anytime soon, not as long as California is
    the entry point for millions from Asia and Latin America.

    What's the end game here? California's population increasing to 50, 60, 100
    million from the current 40, and stealing most of the congressional seats from
    the Midwest and the Northeast (whose number has not increased in over
    a century - 435 since 1913!)?
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  125. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.

    Involuntary homeless? Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it, considering the myriad of issues this group has when it comes serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems. Now, is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    https://www.rcgov.org/index.php?option=com_docman&view=download&alias=826-5yrhomelessplan&category_slug=community-development&Itemid=149

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    I couldn't get your link to work. Here's the page that a search on "Homeless" on the Rapid City, SD website goes to: Link. There's a 17-page PDF entitled "SD Five Year Plan to End Homelessness" and other material.

    > is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    Altruisitic behavior is admirable. I read Sailer's comment as pointing out that a realistic view of this complex problem is a prerequisite for more effective policies. The law of unintended consequences and all.

    Perhaps that's not what he meant in this case, though it's a common enough theme at this blog.
    , @bomag

    Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it
     
    Most of the homeless in this area are American Indians.
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  126. Mass immigration increases housing costs in California.

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  127. Kylie says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.
     
    Remarks like this indicate a mind that is straight through devotee of conventional wisdoms.

    That is ok, society requires the vast, vast majority of its members to think the same thoughts as others with only minor personal deviations.

    Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you are spouting. Why bother, really, do you think it is in any way a novel or even constructive thought in this discussion. You are just a parrot, as you admit quite explicitly.

    But armed with it in your private beliefs, like everyone else, sure, now you don't ever have to let stepping over that dude on the sidewalk conjure up the slightest unpleasantness, except perhaps his odor, in your personal filter bubble.

    How much other stuff in life do you accept so uncritically?

    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity.

    I have. Your arrogant assumptions about both the homeless and those who refrain from offering them goods and services are part of the problem. It’s called “enabling” and it does more harm than good.

    And nobody knows this better than the homeless. The same filthy stinking bum whose eyes well up with tears when you hand him all the cash you have on you will laugh his ass off at you with his buddies as they swill the MD 2020 your money and smug self-righteousness bought him.

    You’re incorrigible and ineducable. Go away. Just go away.

    N.B. I’m one of the few homeless who kept their noses and the rest of themselves clean while living on the street. No stealing, no panhandling, no dealing dope, no whoring, no public defecating or urinating, etc. It can be done just as getting off the street without governmental or charitable help can be done. But it isn’t easy, which is why most don’t bother. And there are always arrogant ******** like you to help them. You are two sides of the same coin.

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    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity
     
    That would make you 99.99999% wrong. But even if you were right, it wouldn't make a difference. Who cares what your or my personal anecdotes without any statistical significance are.

    Just talkin' story, how many dumpsters you slept behind adds nothing to the merits of your arguments.

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  128. sayless says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Is this why American houses are always made out of wood? One always wonders why there aren't more brick houses over there when one sees a tornado on the news

    A tornado can lift a wooden structure off its foundation and carry it away; if the people are in the basement they may survive. I knew a couple who made it through the Palm Sunday tornadoes in this way.

    But brick is very bad. Brick houses implode during a tornado and the rubble crashes down into the basement.

    …And, avoid trailer parks, because they cause tornadoes.

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    Are you sure about that? Haven't you ever read The Three Little Pigs?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    What do a tornado and a Kentucky divorce have in common?
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    In both of them, somebody's gonna lose a trailer!

    Ba-dum! I'll be here all week. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waiter.

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  129. Benjaminl says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    I believe that I was that commenter.

    Olasky's book is very good. Even if you don't buy into his vision of Christian charity, The Tragedy of American Compassion gives insight into a worldview and way of organizing society that now feels like another world. We are so accustomed to The State looming over all that it's hard to grasp how different things once were -- and not really so long ago.

    Thank you! I apologize for being too lazy to look up the comment and give you proper credit. Thanks again for the recommendation.

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    Absolutely no apologies needed; I'm glad someone took up my recommendation. When I saw your post above, I couldn't remember myself if I'd recommended Tragedy, so I looked it up.
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  130. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    Not a mean streak at all, just the truth. My girlfriend deals with homeless patients every single day and a good number sit in the hospital because no rehab or shelter will take them because of past behaviors. Family? Forget it.

    A few months ago she had a fairly well-spoken guy who was barred from all the shelters in the city for constantly starting fights. The social worker managed to track down his brother, a corporate executive, who flew in, paid for a private rehab, and flew out as soon as the deal was done. He didn’t even speak to his brother, whom he hadn’t seen in more than 10 years.

    Ponder for a moment what you’d have to do before anyone who ever cared for you refused any contact because of the things you’ve done to them.

     

    If you are considering helping a homeless, possible schizo person, every single source of information and experience will say this very same thing.

    So if you are ever tempted to help an old friend, or simply human being, who life has ground down to living behind a dumpster, perish the notion and get back to munching Doritos and watching the game.

    Therein lies your grace and you can rest easy about an impulse to help, everyone else says it is okay for you to forget it and continue in your self-indulgence.

    Definitely the way the world gets better, isn't it?

    Nah, every time I’m in town and buttonholed by a bum “looking for a couple bucks for something to eat”, I offer to buy them a slice of pizza or a sandwich. I can count the number of slices or sandwiches I’ve bought with one hand.

    I guess the local pizza shops should start spinning pies with pepperoni and extra heroin.

    Learn the lesson of the psychiatrist and the light bulb.

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    I was waiting for the bus the other night at midnight at the NYC Port Authority bus station and some guy asked me for a dollar for a bus ticket. I told him no, then later thought I should have said, "Where you going? Across the street?" All my best lines show up too late.
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  131. ic1000 says:
    @Corvinus
    Involuntary homeless? Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it, considering the myriad of issues this group has when it comes serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems. Now, is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    https://www.rcgov.org/index.php?option=com_docman&view=download&alias=826-5yrhomelessplan&category_slug=community-development&Itemid=149

    I couldn’t get your link to work. Here’s the page that a search on “Homeless” on the Rapid City, SD website goes to: Link. There’s a 17-page PDF entitled “SD Five Year Plan to End Homelessness” and other material.

    > is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    Altruisitic behavior is admirable. I read Sailer’s comment as pointing out that a realistic view of this complex problem is a prerequisite for more effective policies. The law of unintended consequences and all.

    Perhaps that’s not what he meant in this case, though it’s a common enough theme at this blog.

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  132. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    Particularly amusing, if you notice more than Stephanie does, is the backdrop at the 3:05 mark, as community policing is shown in action in Washington Heights, “a once crime-ridden neighborhood that is now almost unrecognizable from a decade ago.” Moms, toddlers, and kids are cavorting in the park under the benevolent gaze of cops and cameras. Gentrification has bequeathed this once crime-ridden neighborhood with the ethnic makeup of a delightfully diverse Vanity Fair fashion spread.

    Electing a new people is an all around winner, unless you’re a loser that deserves to lose
     

    The discussions on iSteve are generally supportive of the long campaigns against consanguinity in the middle ages in european society.

    Most of you hold it up as something quite good, comparing yourselves favorably against Pakistanis with their alleged cousin marriages or whatever.

    Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity, which goes back to at least the Roman Empire.

    And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    Your tribal, selfish gene impulses have as much mischief in them as sexual ones. It is right and proper for society to discourage and regulate the unruly aspects of these atavistic iimpulses.

    > Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity… And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    You don’t seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

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    You don’t seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

     

    The Hajnal Line begins at Calais.
    , @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.
     
    She should give it more.

    I suppose we could get anecdotal evidence by googling and seeing if there is any Hajnal Line correlation with cat ladies.

    Might be an interesting thing for Steve to explore.

    One can just make up HBD just-so stories as one goes along it is so easy and the audiience so credulous.

    , @ic1000
    Here's HBD Chick in a 2013 interview on, What is HBD and why does it matter?

    A lot of people out there label HBDers and sociobiologists as “racists” with diabolical plots to repress some group or another. Personally, I want to help people – and I think pretty much all the other HBDers out there feel the same. There are a lot of social problems in this world that need solving, and I’m of a mind that you actually need to understand what the causes of those problems are if you want to effectively do something about them. It seems to me to be a huge mistake to ignore potential biological differences between individuals and/or groups just to be politically correct – a huge mistake that can wind up to be ultimately detrimental to the welfare of so many people.
     
    And here are four more paragraphs (from the same interview) that summarize her thinking on the Hajnal line and its importance.

    Google reminds that JayMan and Steve have both written about HBD Chick here at Unz.com. All good stuff.
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  133. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    I suggest you try volunteering at a local homeless shelter. It’s easy, as organizations’ priorities include engagement with the broader public. In my experience, staff is very welcoming to people who want to drop in and help serve a meal, for instance.

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.
     
    That's mighty presumptuous of you, hoss.

    > That’s mighty presumptuous of you, hoss.

    You are a pseudonymous commenter on Teh Intrawebs, so there isn’t much to presume about. Your brief comment indicated a lack of first-hand experience with homelessness. Explain yourself more fully and I’ll revise my (Bayesian) priors.

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  134. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    As you’re going through the list of cautions during the orientation session, reflect back on Sailor’s remark.
     
    Remarks like this indicate a mind that is straight through devotee of conventional wisdoms.

    That is ok, society requires the vast, vast majority of its members to think the same thoughts as others with only minor personal deviations.

    Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you are spouting. Why bother, really, do you think it is in any way a novel or even constructive thought in this discussion. You are just a parrot, as you admit quite explicitly.

    But armed with it in your private beliefs, like everyone else, sure, now you don't ever have to let stepping over that dude on the sidewalk conjure up the slightest unpleasantness, except perhaps his odor, in your personal filter bubble.

    How much other stuff in life do you accept so uncritically?

    > [snip] … Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you [ic1000] are spouting… [snip]

    Scott Alexander recently pointed out that ‘social shaming’ is not a very effective debating technique, if insight is a goal.

    I’m not sure how you assess the ‘the conventional wisdom,’ but by most measures, Sailer’s blog is not a promising place to seek it.

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    Thanks for that SSC link. I'll be reusing that. Those first two triangles are gold.
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  135. @ic1000
    > Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity... And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    You don't seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick's posts on the Hajnal Line, she's given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

    You don’t seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

    The Hajnal Line begins at Calais.

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    You misspelled "Wales."
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  136. @Steve Sailer
    Balloon frame wood houses were invented perhaps in Chicago before the Civil War. They were faster to build and technically less demanding of craft skills than timber, brick, or stone houses, as long you could afford nails, which Americans generally could. And if it turned out you had picked the wrong town on the frontier to build a house in, you could rapidly disassemble your house, load it on wagons and haul it to what you hoped was going to be the real boom town.

    Balloon frame wood houses were invented perhaps in Chicago before the Civil War. They were faster to build and technically less demanding of craft skills than timber, brick, or stone houses, as long you could afford nails, which Americans generally could. And if it turned out you had picked the wrong town on the frontier to build a house in, you could rapidly disassemble your house, load it on wagons and haul it to what you hoped was going to be the real boom town.

    Balloon frame wood construction doesn’t seem so different from the wood frame construction of colonial coastal America. To hell with Chicago!

    The separate floor unit construction brings to mind the sectionalized submarine construction that Albert Speer cooked up.

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  137. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on.
     
    That is pretty horrible Steve. But HBD goes hand in hand with Social Darwinism.

    Every now and then you drop the mask, you do have a mean streak.

    What Shartblue e-mail list or SKDKnickerbocker summer intern project did you unhibernate out of?

    Certainly not one that was ever shared with “the involuntary homeless.”

    For those of us who HAVE experience of them, our host’s comment, if anything, was kinder than deserved…and very much spot on, no matter how much distaste is your reaction and how much you project your own mean streak. More on the latter in a moment.

    I view “the involuntary homeless” as people who simply cannot adapt to domestication (the farming of humans, the conversion of humans into livestock–the Desert People formula of agricultural civilization, the urban hive, and all its falsity and niceties and soft plump ritual).

    While I loathe, detest, and can even hate individuals I’ve known in that “involuntary homeless” category, I can also view them rather dispassionately–as I conclude our host was doing. In another type of society they might do better, whatever that might mean. But agricultural civilization exists to make people soft, dumb, frightened, weak, and addicted/spendy/dependent. Not to make people hard, smart, bold, strong, and self sufficient.

    So “the involuntary homeless” in my experience tend not to be good enough at civilization’s required behaviors to become all those soft and degenerate hive things. Or they become some while not becoming others (e.g., being too strong to get addicted to soft surburban life, so getting addicted to other things instead, or being weak in resolution but remarkably fearless).

    There is a strength in many of these people that startles me continually. They choose what is worst for themselves…but often survive for a remarkably long time in remarkably bitter circumstances. Long enough to push their choices in the faces of those who choose or excel at domestication.

    My solution involves finding them a place where they have to work to survive and they work out their own social systems. Where all charity and support are withdrawn and they can immerse themselves in their instincts and see what their strong fraction produces. Alas, since we’re all out of Australias, and deeply infected with SJWs and church ladies or all sexes (more often none at all) and other virtue-vanity signallers, that isn’t likely to happen. These individuals are, like blacks and the retarded, a mint of endless Altruism Currency for a certain kind of person to use to secure sinecures in the lucrative and foundation funded Bleeding Heart Class.

    Here’s the more important point:

    The idea that it is “mean” to view other people realistically for what they are and how they act is the most vicious, dehumanizing, condescending, and and violent possible way to regard them.

    And that, ma’am, is YOUR mean streak. Enabling self-destruction while countersignalling anyone who observes it happening. Seeing a phenomenon but refusing to name it while punishing anyone who does. Holding yourself so far above The Unfortunate that you won’t even let others speak frankly about them, from their experience, without spanking them for not being namby pamby.

    Like you pretend to be, when in fact you are feral and nasty in the extreme.

    More accurately, I suspect, you are sufficiently terrified of what “the involuntary homeless” are, in their nature, that you cannot allow anyone to name it bluntly. They do not respond to softness. You know that. And it shakes you to your roots, which is why you slap at our host…who you need not fear will slap you back.

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    That comment was contributed late in this post's 'life cycle,' but it's perceptive and worth reflecting on.
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  138. Anon 2 says:
    @bomag

    But who... can afford to move to California from other (U.S.) states? I wish I could live
    in California but can no longer afford it
     
    Then California gets by with fewer people.

    Where is it written that people have to impoverish themselves for the sake of California?

    “Then California gets by with fewer people”

    It’s not going to happen. Nothing indicates that California’s
    population explosion will end anytime soon, not as long as California is
    the entry point for millions from Asia and Latin America.

    What’s the end game here? California’s population increasing to 50, 60, 100
    million from the current 40, and stealing most of the congressional seats from
    the Midwest and the Northeast (whose number has not increased in over
    a century – 435 since 1913!)?

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    1850: 92,597
    1860: 379,994, a 410 percent increase over 1850
    1900: 1,485,053
    1930: 5,677,251
    1950: 10,586,223
    1970: 19,953,134
    1990: 29,760,021
    2000: 33,871,648
    2009: 38,292,687
    2015: 38,715,000
    2017: 39,536,653
     
    Anon 2, maybe CA growth will continue at a brisk rate, but I'm just not as sure about it as I used to be. The rate has certainly slowed since the time of my youth decades ago in the mid 60's thru 70's. I do agree it should not be long, I would guess by ~2040, that the "white" percentage of the population will dip below 30%. The average age of whites in CA is now older than the average age of a Japanese. A not an insignificant fraction of retirees head out of state.

    The replacement crop of politicians coming into office this year are truly frightening compared with the comparatively moderate current cabal headed by Jerry Brown. Their "solutions" may put a serious hurt on CA's future.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes, that is exactly the goal, and they’re on their way to achieving it.
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    @Charles Pewitt

    You don’t seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

     

    The Hajnal Line begins at Calais.

    You misspelled “Wales.”

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  140. danand says:
    @Anon 2
    "Then California gets by with fewer people"

    It's not going to happen. Nothing indicates that California's
    population explosion will end anytime soon, not as long as California is
    the entry point for millions from Asia and Latin America.

    What's the end game here? California's population increasing to 50, 60, 100
    million from the current 40, and stealing most of the congressional seats from
    the Midwest and the Northeast (whose number has not increased in over
    a century - 435 since 1913!)?

    1850: 92,597
    1860: 379,994, a 410 percent increase over 1850
    1900: 1,485,053
    1930: 5,677,251
    1950: 10,586,223
    1970: 19,953,134
    1990: 29,760,021
    2000: 33,871,648
    2009: 38,292,687
    2015: 38,715,000
    2017: 39,536,653

    Anon 2, maybe CA growth will continue at a brisk rate, but I’m just not as sure about it as I used to be. The rate has certainly slowed since the time of my youth decades ago in the mid 60′s thru 70′s. I do agree it should not be long, I would guess by ~2040, that the “white” percentage of the population will dip below 30%. The average age of whites in CA is now older than the average age of a Japanese. A not an insignificant fraction of retirees head out of state.

    The replacement crop of politicians coming into office this year are truly frightening compared with the comparatively moderate current cabal headed by Jerry Brown. Their “solutions” may put a serious hurt on CA’s future.

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  141. @Benjaminl
    Thank you! I apologize for being too lazy to look up the comment and give you proper credit. Thanks again for the recommendation.

    Absolutely no apologies needed; I’m glad someone took up my recommendation. When I saw your post above, I couldn’t remember myself if I’d recommended Tragedy, so I looked it up.

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  142. @sayless
    A tornado can lift a wooden structure off its foundation and carry it away; if the people are in the basement they may survive. I knew a couple who made it through the Palm Sunday tornadoes in this way.

    But brick is very bad. Brick houses implode during a tornado and the rubble crashes down into the basement.

    ...And, avoid trailer parks, because they cause tornadoes.

    Are you sure about that? Haven’t you ever read The Three Little Pigs?

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    Well, you know, I read the Three Little Pigs but it just didn't convince me, you know what I'm saying?
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  143. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:

    it often means increasing costs of new development by reserving a certain number of units in a big new luxury development and then holding a lottery in which a handful of lucky lower income winners are handed, in effect, hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars while everybody else gets more or less nothing.

    Towerball must be lucrative to developers. Section 8 too. If all those black are sent to white towns, many whites will try to move to another area, and that means more (slash-and-burn or smash-and-turn) construction.

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  144. The now-fading modernist ideology of equal protection of the laws might perhaps be a hothouse flower that doesn’t flourish without constant care.

    Or it might just have been a fraud from the start.

    Someone once said that women don’t believe in equality, they believe in the upper hand. So if he won’t claim it, she will.

    The same goes for any other category of “identity” group.

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  145. @Kylie
    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity.

    I have. Your arrogant assumptions about both the homeless and those who refrain from offering them goods and services are part of the problem. It's called "enabling" and it does more harm than good.

    And nobody knows this better than the homeless. The same filthy stinking bum whose eyes well up with tears when you hand him all the cash you have on you will laugh his ass off at you with his buddies as they swill the MD 2020 your money and smug self-righteousness bought him.

    You're incorrigible and ineducable. Go away. Just go away.

    N.B. I'm one of the few homeless who kept their noses and the rest of themselves clean while living on the street. No stealing, no panhandling, no dealing dope, no whoring, no public defecating or urinating, etc. It can be done just as getting off the street without governmental or charitable help can be done. But it isn't easy, which is why most don't bother. And there are always arrogant ******** like you to help them. You are two sides of the same coin.

    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity

    That would make you 99.99999% wrong. But even if you were right, it wouldn’t make a difference. Who cares what your or my personal anecdotes without any statistical significance are.

    Just talkin’ story, how many dumpsters you slept behind adds nothing to the merits of your arguments.

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    Who cares what your or my personal anecdotes without any statistical significance are.
     
    Anecdote is evidence. After a while, personal experience should start to comport with statistics.

    You offer neither personal experience nor statistics.
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  146. res says:
    @ic1000
    > [snip] ... Homeless are hopeless and inevitably, if you dig deep enough, they all got it coming is the stock response you [ic1000] are spouting... [snip]

    Scott Alexander recently pointed out that 'social shaming' is not a very effective debating technique, if insight is a goal.

    I'm not sure how you assess the 'the conventional wisdom,' but by most measures, Sailer's blog is not a promising place to seek it.

    Thanks for that SSC link. I’ll be reusing that. Those first two triangles are gold.

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  147. @ic1000
    > Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity... And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    You don't seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick's posts on the Hajnal Line, she's given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

    I suggest you Google HBD Chick’s posts on the Hajnal Line, she’s given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

    She should give it more.

    I suppose we could get anecdotal evidence by googling and seeing if there is any Hajnal Line correlation with cat ladies.

    Might be an interesting thing for Steve to explore.

    One can just make up HBD just-so stories as one goes along it is so easy and the audiience so credulous.

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  148. bomag says:
    @Corvinus
    Involuntary homeless? Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it, considering the myriad of issues this group has when it comes serious mental illness, addiction disorders, and other severe health problems. Now, is the altruism shown by these folks misplaced?

    https://www.rcgov.org/index.php?option=com_docman&view=download&alias=826-5yrhomelessplan&category_slug=community-development&Itemid=149

    Looks like a very white area apparently is doing something about it

    Most of the homeless in this area are American Indians.

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  149. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The involuntary homeless tend to be individuals who have repeatedly burned everybody who was kind enough to lend them a couch to sleep on."

    Bingo. That description fits one or two of the guys I grew up with, alas. I have a spare bedroom in my house, and I'd love to be able to help some homeless dude out with it. But I don't want my house thrashed, and my possessions ripped off, so....

    I’ve related several instances in these homeless threads about the people I’ve dealt with over the years. Bottom line: they’re just not willing or capable of conforming to even the minimal demands of life. The few who really are a tiny bit together will get themselves out of the gutter, and no program will help them until they decide to do it.

    Well here’s the latest anecdote. The neighbor kid 20-something who was living in his car has now been thrown in jail. Turns out he was stealing from his mom and selling her stuff on the internet. The cops take that sort of crime rather seriously, apparently. His drug use and vagrancy didn’t bother them until he showed up in the black market selling stolen goods. The dad is so embarrassed for his son that he only speaks in guarded phrases. I got the straight story from the dad’s illegal renter who had his own car ransacked, likely by one of the son’s scummy friends lurking around.

    And here we thought we’d bought into a good neighborhood. In CA, I guess you have to spend closer to a million to get away from low-class renters.

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  150. @anon
    There’s an election coming up. Nothing but millionaire and billionaire California democrats on TV promising more welfare to illegal immigrants. More free health care. On and on

    So you noticed that too? I wonder how Democrats can listen to the same smarmy, corrupt, filthy-rich con artists blather about this group and that program, year after year, and still buy into any of it. Good old Diane Feinstein. Going for a 5th Senate term at 85. Check out her website and look at her priorities:

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/

    She’s against assault weapons and in favor of illegals. She opposes Republicans and breast cancer (they’re secretly the same thing, don’t you know). Nothing about the economy, or jobs, or morality, or Americans, or freedom, or law and order.

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  151. @Anon 2
    "Then California gets by with fewer people"

    It's not going to happen. Nothing indicates that California's
    population explosion will end anytime soon, not as long as California is
    the entry point for millions from Asia and Latin America.

    What's the end game here? California's population increasing to 50, 60, 100
    million from the current 40, and stealing most of the congressional seats from
    the Midwest and the Northeast (whose number has not increased in over
    a century - 435 since 1913!)?

    Yes, that is exactly the goal, and they’re on their way to achieving it.

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  152. Seneca44 says:

    Interesting that Seattle will institute a $275 per employee tax on large employers to help care for the homeless. I guess their mothers never told them about feeding stray cats or the economics professors never covered the concept of getting more of something that you subsidize. As a wise man once said,
    “You can’t make this stuff up.”

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  153. ic1000 says:
    @ic1000
    > Promoting diversity is simply the next step in a civilizational impulse against consanguinity... And it has always been a good thing, it will be here as well.

    You don't seem to understand very much about consanguinity. I suggest you Google HBD Chick's posts on the Hajnal Line, she's given a lot of thought to cousin marriage and related topics.

    Here’s HBD Chick in a 2013 interview on, What is HBD and why does it matter?

    A lot of people out there label HBDers and sociobiologists as “racists” with diabolical plots to repress some group or another. Personally, I want to help people – and I think pretty much all the other HBDers out there feel the same. There are a lot of social problems in this world that need solving, and I’m of a mind that you actually need to understand what the causes of those problems are if you want to effectively do something about them. It seems to me to be a huge mistake to ignore potential biological differences between individuals and/or groups just to be politically correct – a huge mistake that can wind up to be ultimately detrimental to the welfare of so many people.

    And here are four more paragraphs (from the same interview) that summarize her thinking on the Hajnal line and its importance.

    Google reminds that JayMan and Steve have both written about HBD Chick here at Unz.com. All good stuff.

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  154. sayless says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Are you sure about that? Haven't you ever read The Three Little Pigs?

    Well, you know, I read the Three Little Pigs but it just didn’t convince me, you know what I’m saying?

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  155. Anon7 says:

    What am I entitled to? This is a tough question, made more difficult in recent years as society has bent over backwards for women and minorities, even achieving pretzel shapes.

    Is a woman entitled to have a child, even if the state must pay for all aspects of its care, including day care? Is she entitled to an apartment? Is she entitled to an apartment in San Francisco? Overlooking the bay, perhaps?

    When I think of all the time I wasted gaining skills useful to others, and putting up with all sorts of boring or difficult situations to get money (“jobs”), when I could have been arguing for entitlements, I just shake my head. A life wasted.

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  156. bomag says:
    @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    I am 99.99999% sure you have never been homeless nor been around the homeless in a non-professional capacity
     
    That would make you 99.99999% wrong. But even if you were right, it wouldn't make a difference. Who cares what your or my personal anecdotes without any statistical significance are.

    Just talkin' story, how many dumpsters you slept behind adds nothing to the merits of your arguments.

    Who cares what your or my personal anecdotes without any statistical significance are.

    Anecdote is evidence. After a while, personal experience should start to comport with statistics.

    You offer neither personal experience nor statistics.

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  157. Brutusale says:
    @Anon
    O/T

    https://www.pressherald.com/2018/05/12/state-pushes-to-loosen-work-rules-for-teens-but-labor-advocates-have-concerns/

    With the lowest state unemployment rate in 60 years and many industries struggling to find workers, the Department of Labor plans to tap into thousands of potential teen job-seekers with a public campaign to build the state’s underage workforce. The program includes training for businesses, outreach to schools and parents, a website and assistance connecting teens with employers.
    “We are in a labor crunch. We need to have every group of people who are in Maine to be in the workforce – it is all hands on deck,” Labor Commissioner John Butera said in an interview. “We have a lot of kids here, youth, young adults we can start engaging in the workforce, and the sooner the better.”
     
    Such a horribile thing, we need more invaders from the Horn of Africa.

    I’ll fill you in on the subtext: the thin strip of tourist-friendly Maine coast from the NH border to Freeport needs front of the house food service industry help, and tourists don’t want to be served by hijab-wearing Somalis.

    Last spring the same publication was running stories about the Portland restaurants poaching help from one another.

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  158. Brutusale says:
    @Rod1963
    Steve;s opinion is correct and isn't.

    There is a large segment of the homeless that are plain ass crazy, violent and prone to criminality. Many are also druggies and boozers. They don't want to he helped, they want to do their own thing and are dangerous. This is why they are on the street. Their families had enough of their crap and tossed them out.

    And yeah they end up in hospitals which they use as flop houses when the weather gets bad. I got stuck with several of them in my room and they are total thieving scum. They stink like trash, refuse to clean themselves, etc. I remember one young piece of street trash who thought it was funny the nurses were lecturing him about his blood sugar levels being sky high and being pre-diabetic.

    My girlfriend had a homeless patient last month who liked to masturbate in front of the nurses.

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  159. My girlfriend had a homeless patient last month who liked to masturbate in front of the nurses.

    When did Harvey Weinstein become homeless?

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  160. @sayless
    A tornado can lift a wooden structure off its foundation and carry it away; if the people are in the basement they may survive. I knew a couple who made it through the Palm Sunday tornadoes in this way.

    But brick is very bad. Brick houses implode during a tornado and the rubble crashes down into the basement.

    ...And, avoid trailer parks, because they cause tornadoes.

    What do a tornado and a Kentucky divorce have in common?
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    In both of them, somebody’s gonna lose a trailer!

    Ba-dum! I’ll be here all week. Try the veal, and don’t forget to tip your waiter.

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    Pretty good J-D B--

    The Port Authority at midnight? Were you armed and dangerous?
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  161. @Brutusale
    Nah, every time I'm in town and buttonholed by a bum "looking for a couple bucks for something to eat", I offer to buy them a slice of pizza or a sandwich. I can count the number of slices or sandwiches I've bought with one hand.

    I guess the local pizza shops should start spinning pies with pepperoni and extra heroin.

    Learn the lesson of the psychiatrist and the light bulb.

    I was waiting for the bus the other night at midnight at the NYC Port Authority bus station and some guy asked me for a dollar for a bus ticket. I told him no, then later thought I should have said, “Where you going? Across the street?” All my best lines show up too late.

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  162. sayless says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    What do a tornado and a Kentucky divorce have in common?
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    In both of them, somebody's gonna lose a trailer!

    Ba-dum! I'll be here all week. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waiter.

    Pretty good J-D B–

    The Port Authority at midnight? Were you armed and dangerous?

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  163. MBlanc46 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    You guys REALLY need to watch Dear white people on Netflix

    It does a good job of explaining how white supremacy built our nation

    People of Color were milked milked not given houses not given jobs and dhandered

    It's time the equity

    It’s time the silence for you, TD.

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  164. ic1000 says:
    @Olorin
    What Shartblue e-mail list or SKDKnickerbocker summer intern project did you unhibernate out of?

    Certainly not one that was ever shared with "the involuntary homeless."

    For those of us who HAVE experience of them, our host's comment, if anything, was kinder than deserved...and very much spot on, no matter how much distaste is your reaction and how much you project your own mean streak. More on the latter in a moment.

    I view "the involuntary homeless" as people who simply cannot adapt to domestication (the farming of humans, the conversion of humans into livestock--the Desert People formula of agricultural civilization, the urban hive, and all its falsity and niceties and soft plump ritual).

    While I loathe, detest, and can even hate individuals I've known in that "involuntary homeless" category, I can also view them rather dispassionately--as I conclude our host was doing. In another type of society they might do better, whatever that might mean. But agricultural civilization exists to make people soft, dumb, frightened, weak, and addicted/spendy/dependent. Not to make people hard, smart, bold, strong, and self sufficient.

    So "the involuntary homeless" in my experience tend not to be good enough at civilization's required behaviors to become all those soft and degenerate hive things. Or they become some while not becoming others (e.g., being too strong to get addicted to soft surburban life, so getting addicted to other things instead, or being weak in resolution but remarkably fearless).

    There is a strength in many of these people that startles me continually. They choose what is worst for themselves...but often survive for a remarkably long time in remarkably bitter circumstances. Long enough to push their choices in the faces of those who choose or excel at domestication.

    My solution involves finding them a place where they have to work to survive and they work out their own social systems. Where all charity and support are withdrawn and they can immerse themselves in their instincts and see what their strong fraction produces. Alas, since we're all out of Australias, and deeply infected with SJWs and church ladies or all sexes (more often none at all) and other virtue-vanity signallers, that isn't likely to happen. These individuals are, like blacks and the retarded, a mint of endless Altruism Currency for a certain kind of person to use to secure sinecures in the lucrative and foundation funded Bleeding Heart Class.

    Here's the more important point:

    The idea that it is "mean" to view other people realistically for what they are and how they act is the most vicious, dehumanizing, condescending, and and violent possible way to regard them.

    And that, ma'am, is YOUR mean streak. Enabling self-destruction while countersignalling anyone who observes it happening. Seeing a phenomenon but refusing to name it while punishing anyone who does. Holding yourself so far above The Unfortunate that you won't even let others speak frankly about them, from their experience, without spanking them for not being namby pamby.

    Like you pretend to be, when in fact you are feral and nasty in the extreme.

    More accurately, I suspect, you are sufficiently terrified of what "the involuntary homeless" are, in their nature, that you cannot allow anyone to name it bluntly. They do not respond to softness. You know that. And it shakes you to your roots, which is why you slap at our host...who you need not fear will slap you back.

    That comment was contributed late in this post’s ‘life cycle,’ but it’s perceptive and worth reflecting on.

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  165. The Port Authority at midnight? Were you armed and dangerous?

    No. I was taking the $20 NYC -> DC bus home after an evening at the Met Opera. The first Amtrak train is not until 3:15 and is 4x as much. The clientele is those who don’t have any other way to go south along with some tourists. Not very uplifting company, but not dangerous and everyone goes to sleep pretty soon.

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