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Keya Roy is used to people mispronouncing her name. She usually brushes it off, but should she?

The racist practice of mispronouncing names
MAR 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM
HOSTED BY
Keya Roy
Zuheera Ali
Medha Kumar

You know when you’re standing in line at a coffee shop, trying to figure out what to order? Your mind races. How much caffeine can I handle today? Should I get that overpriced bagel?

Many people with “unconventional” names experience a different kind of anxiety in this moment: figuring out what “safe” and “easy” name they should use that day. …

In this episode of RadioActive Youth Media, hosts Zuheera Ali and Keya Roy talk to author Ijeoma Oluo and each other about their experiences living in the United States with “difficult” names. They also talk to Rita Kohli, a professor at University of California, Riverside who has done research on the effects of mispronouncing names on students of color.

Spoiler: This practice of mispronouncing names isn’t just embarrassing. It has a long and racist history.

 
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  1. Having been named ‘Colin’ — which used to be a [i]very[/i] uncommon name in the US — for the last sixty years, I can relate.

    …actually, I can’t. It wasn’t that big a deal.

  2. Tiny Duck says:

    white males cause the most violence and hate as evidenced by the horror in New Zealand

    Name for me other groups who
    Commit mass mouser

    I cannot wait until the demographics change she justice is done

    Your descendants will not look
    Like you
    Read Leonard Pitts Adam detest and Millie Hannah honed

    My it’s decende tsx illl not look like your get over it

    Everybody agrees with jevtwt whute men srd y scourge if he earthen abd a he gated or all the surges oribitbdmmibky svute makes dysgfree thsy h kid you riveting tuft tger

    They’d love causes gilt ce and nerves to be shunt then
    Manure gurus and not looking he to urge srx eirh Bosvk amen

  3. anon1 says:

    I am a white male and my last name gets mispronounced all the time. Its never bothered me. But i guess i didn’t know “dat sh** be racist”.

  4. J.Ross says: • Website

    This latest fake outrage is especially gratuitous because you probably remember the last time you had to sort through a black or heavily accented mestizo clerk butchering unfamiliar phonemes. NPR has a camarilla of heavily accented mestizas inexplicably working in radio journalism, and they could be talking about showing up on my street and killing me and I’d have no idea.
    But a white person who doesn’t know every pronunciation scheme is being hateful.
    Psia krew.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  5. At Starbucks I usually give my name as ‘Malcolm,’ since there are typically at least three other guys named Mike in the store.

    We all have our crosses to bear.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  6. Wouldn’t proper pronunciation of Kela’s name be facilitated if she would just have the phonetics on her forehead in tatoo format? If that makes her look fat, or whatever, she could have the tatoo on one of her breasts and wear the appropriate attire. (She could put it on the other breast too, but upside down, so she could make sure she’s got it right when endorsing checks and so forth).

    One more tatooo should probably be just above her rear end saying “Oh! Ke lah!” for those times when it’s very very important to get it right.

    I remain,

    Hooked on Phonics,

    Aaak Med Eee New Min

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  7. wren says:

    While Americans are concerned about this kind of stuff, the Chinese are trying to figure out how to take over the world.

    OT: Fentanyl is an issue that I hope Trump takes seriously.

    I hope he starts to talk about it.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-25/americas-fentanyl-problem-china-can-turn-tap-if-it-wants

    Also, tbis post is an excuse to post this:

  8. Lloyd1927 says:

    Well, I guess that Saoirse Ronan is a victim of racism.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1519680/

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @guest
  9. @Colin Wright

    Lol. Yeah first time I saw this practice of using a “safe”/”easy” name at Starbucks’s or wherever was on a lily-white German chick with Nazi sympathies whose name was apparently unpronounceable to Americans.

    “It has a long and racist history.”

    So … maybe.

  10. @Colin Wright

    Perhaps you thought the kids at your high-dollar prep school were just making fun of your name, but they really meant “asshole”, but just wanted to exercise their vocabularies. ;-}

  11. prosa123 says:

    This is hardly a nonwhite phenomenon. Polish surnames can be among the hardest for English-speakers to pronounce. Or the Maltese Pete Buttigieg. In my area there’s a big commercial Portuguese bakery called Teixiera’s. Pre-Mark that would have been very hard to pronounce.

  12. Oh, you’re supposed to give the coffee guy your real name?

    ‘And your name?’

    ‘Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvin John Kenneth Lloyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor William Xerxes Yancy Zeus Wolfe­schlegel­stein­hausen­berger­dorff­welche­vor­altern­waren­gewissen­haft­schafers­wessen­schafe­waren­wohl­gepflege­und­sorg­faltig­keit­be­schutzen­vor­an­greifen­durch­ihr­raub­gierig­feinde­welche­vor­altern­zwolf­hundert­tausend­jah­res­voran­die­er­scheinen­von­der­erste­erde­mensch­der­raum­schiff­genacht­mit­tung­stein­und­sieben­iridium­elek­trisch­motors­ge­brauch­licht­als­sein­ur­sprung­von­kraft­ge­start­sein­lange­fahrt­hin­zwischen­stern­artig­raum­auf­der­suchen­nach­bar­schaft­der­stern­welche­ge­habt­be­wohn­bar­planeten­kreise­drehen­sich­und­wo­hin­der­neue­rasse­von­ver­stand­ig­mensch­lich­keit­konnte­fort­pflanzen­und­sicher­freuen­an­lebens­lang­lich­freude­und­ru­he­mit­nicht­ein­furcht­vor­an­greifen­vor­anderer­intelligent­ge­schopfs­von­hin­zwischen­stern­art­ig­raum, Senior.’

  13. I wonder . . does Keya speak Austrian?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @mmack
  14. Dr. X says:

    Screw you, honey. Why don’t you try changing your name to “Katie” and try to f—ing assimilate? My wife’s grandparents got off the boat from Sicily. One of her uncles was named “Nunzio.”

    He was known as “Larry” by everyone for the rest of his life.

    • Agree: Cortes
  15. bgates says:

    In the 20th century, I was led to believe people from foreign lands would be happy to move to my country and live as I lived, and I was happy to see them come.

    Now I understand that many of them will never be happy here with me, and I’d be happy to see them go.

  16. theMann says:

    I feel really bad, just awful, about getting women’s names wrong, so I found a solution.

    I don’t bother to remember women’s names because “yo, bitch!” always gets a response.

  17. If people of color have trouble with people mispronouncing names, just listen to this example of cultural imperialism.

  18. J.Ross says: • Website

    Maybe the newcomer is the one who should have to meet everybody else halfway, especially when the pronunciation of their name is an art project they made up to be special.
    We could try the Chinese crowd test.
    Picture this Keisha person trying to impose this demand on a crowd of Chinese people in China.
    Do you now see this person getting stomped like they were caught trying to steal from a street vendor?
    This denotes a bad idea.

    • Replies: @bomag
  19. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    And you’d better not forget the ‘Senior’!

  20. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    She’s not even sure of her own hair color, but she’s bitching about people mispronouncing her name?

    When race is the issue in a world without much racial bias, micro-obsessing is what is left.

    If DIRTINESS is the eternal issue in a house that is impeccably clean, they will use a magnifying glass to find more specks of dirt and then a microscope for more germs. It never ends because what doesn’t exist at the normal level can be found at the micro-level and then at the nano-level and so on.

    In Smollett’s case, stuff was just made up out of the blue.
    In this case, the problem is ‘discovered’ with stronger lenses(that often do more distorting than magnifying).

    By the way, how about ‘the stupid practice of writing shit on one’s face’?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  21. You should hear what happens to both my given name and surname here in Hong Kong.

    No, actually, you shouldn’t. I live in a culture with a different native language from the ones in which my names orginated, so it’s no big deal that they’re constantly mispronounced.

    There; that was simple.

  22. @Tiny Duck

    Youre finally starting to make some sense!
    Manure gurus and not looking he to urge srx eirh Bosvk amen indeed!

  23. Daniel H says:

    People mispronounce the poor girl’s name? Sob her story to this guy.

    Zbigneiw Brzezinski

    (I pronounce it Zibignew Brezizinski)

  24. “This practice of mispronouncing names isn’t just embarrassing. It has a long and racist history. “

    An alternative perspective: This practice of giving offspring weirdly spelled names, often including multiple capital letters and embedded punctuation, e.g., La’Quonde and DeSeuan, doesn’t just raise embarrassing issues regarding proper pronunciation. It has a long history of serving as a marker for low intelligence and poor impulse control.

    • LOL: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  25. My true identity is that of a northern European deplorable. People have mispronounced and misspelled my name my entire life. Oh, woe is me, I’ve been micro-aggressed!

  26. Ijeoma Oluo. Don’t make it easy on us. Although it’s interesting to see even vowel-heavy names can be unpronounceable hate-crime minefields. Aunt Jemina Oahu right back at you.

  27. Why should anyone put any effort into pronouncing this waste of oxygen’s name?

  28. Guess how the Japanese pronounce Donald Trump?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  29. Alfa158 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Come on now, you’re overdoing it and trying too hard for laughs, and I don’t know if this business of slapstick comedy through keystrokes is really going to catch on.

  30. Is there any way to make these girls happy without limiting their interactions strictly to people with the same origins as their own family? I have a perfectly ordinary, standard-spelling huwhyte-person name, and about half of my interactions with food service workers of color result in it being mispronounced or misspelled. They’re not any better at dealing with names from other corners of the world.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  31. KunioKun says:

    It is strange. I think that thinking of things to say is way more difficult than lifting weights. However, thanks to these cheap attention whores driving down the value of words by running their mouths constantly, weight lifting and being fit is at a premium. The best way to counter them is for everybody to get huge. Start lifting today.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  32. Forbes says:

    Nothing is ever incidental, accidental, inadvertent, mistaken/misunderstood/misheard, or innocent of intent or motivation. It’s all due to racism, invidious, systematic, and structural racism with malign intent.

    So says the woke mantra. The Age of Victimization is gonna be lit. (Actually, it already is…)

    • Replies: @ArthurinCali
  33. These are the same people who will complain when they are no longer treated as a unique, exotic treat in a group.

    Seriously, can we bring back the Lincoln Plan?

  34. @wren

    While I love the Key and Peele clip, I have to report that it has been used in no less than 10 different teaching conferences I’ve attended over my career. Rather than a source of humor it is always presented as a “teachable moment” and how we as educators need to understand the varying “learning modalities” of the diversity that make up our classrooms in Los Angeles. The good news is that it is almost always used at the beginning of these conferences and I look around attentively to see who is rolling their eyes and who is doing the vigorous head nod when the presenter is pontificating. It makes it easy to spot the allies in the room. Sadly, I’m always outnumbered at least 10 to 1.

  35. songbird says:

    What is “I take offence at everything” in Swahili? Does it make a good-sounding name?

  36. Dtbb says:

    Is she scottish?

  37. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s always puzzled me and bugged me that both of “the black guys at Bloggingheads,” economist Glenn Loury and linguist John McWhorter, both on the conservative tail of black punditry, mispronounce “Ta-Nehisi Coates” as “Ta-Nahasi Coates.”

    Here from about three minutes to about five or so minute in, for instance:

    They consistently do this on multiple podcasts. Neither is a smartass or someone who would do this on purpose to disrespect the guy, although each of them dislikes TNC’s writings and “the last 50 years never happened” racial philosophy.

    The fact that they both mispronounce it the same way they may have gotten from each other. But McWhorter is a linguist, who presumably studied acoustic and articulatory phonetics and phonology and has published research on Black American Vernacular English, so you’d think at least he would get it right and correct Loury.

    • Replies: @Fun
    , @Forbes
    , @Elsewhere
  38. My father was knocked unconscious by a Korean war-era marine sergeant on the first day of boot camp because he offered a correction to the sergeant’s very common miss-pronunciation of his name.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  39. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Best Post Ever…”Manure gurus and not looking he to urge srx eirh Bosvk amen”..!

  40. I hate to hear my name called out in public.
    In fact, I refuse to respond to it, and I try not to even react to it.
    Everyone who needs to know my name already knows my name.
    I’ve never been inside a Starbucks, but my response there would be the same as anywhere:
    “Can I have a name for your order?”
    “Sure, call it ‘Ed’.”
    Recently, though, I’ve taken to responding,
    “Sure, call me ‘Dreg’.”

  41. Rita Kohli =

    Hot air ilk.

    I, Torah ilk.

    I loath, irk.

  42. Jack D says:
    @WowJustWow

    Are the vibrant persons of color at McDo’s better or worse than the insufferable white racists at Starbucks when it comes to pronouncing Keya’s name? (BTW, how is anyone supposed to tell just by looking – it’s like Rumplestiltskin – is it Kay Ya or Key Ya or K’eya or what?) And when they do it, is that part of America’s long history of racism too?

  43. The movement of minorities in America towards non-normal names is a deliberate “fuck you” to whites and to assimilation. When blacks were held in Jim Crow and terrified of breaking the law, they all had names like William, Joe, and Richard.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Ragno
  44. istevefan says:

    Spoiler: This practice of mispronouncing names isn’t just embarrassing. It has a long and racist history.

    Notice how modern day immigrants claim White people were once immigrants too, and that they only want to be treated like our people were? Well, many of us have anglicized names because the proverbial, Paddy immigration officer could not understand how to pronounce our names, let alone spell them, so he gave it his best try, and the result is what we carry today.

    People keep mocking Trump by calling him Drumpf. But the fact that his family changed their name to something easier on English-speaking ears is something millions of our forebears did. (Yes, I know in Drumpf’s case it had more to do with other reasons, but the point is millions of Europeans have anglicized their names to better assimilate)

    While we are on the topic of equal treatment between today’s immigrant and the White immigrants of yesteryear, how about we eliminate any government social safety nets? How about we make you prove you will not become a ward of the state prior to acceptance? How about we make you renounce your previous citizenship before you can become a US citizen? How about we eliminate family reunification, and force each one of your relatives to apply on their own merits? How about we detain you in a place like Ellis Island, and send you back to your home country if you don’t measure up?

    Additionally, every White immigrant group went through some sort of uncomfortable period where the established folk made light of, or seemed puzzled by the newcomers’ food, customs, dress, names, etc. It’s probably similar to entering high school where the freshman are teased a bit, or when you join a new unit in the army. Our forebears went through it and are now proud members of this nation. Modern day immigrants seem like snowflakes who can’t take any negativity including someone who cannot pronounce a name they’ve never encountered.

    Today’s immigrants have it too easy. The fact you have nothing better to do than to gripe about a native English-speaker not being able to pronounce your name is proof life is good for you. You are free to leave any time you wish and return to a place where people know how to pronounce your name.

    • Agree: jim jones
  45. JimB says:

    Somebody should tell Keya Rock, daughter of Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, that red hair is unflattering if you have a jaundiced complexion.

  46. Sahq says:

    Didn’t Linda Barrett go to UC Riverside?

  47. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    A lot of German names had bad implications because of false cognates, others were just unpronounceable, and still other times immigrating just provided an excuse to have a spiffier new moniker.

    Steinway piano founder

    Heinrich Engelhard Steinweg, anglicized name Henry Engelhard Steinway…

    is a good example. He wanted to sell pianos. But even in Germany where they still make the pianos in Hamburg, the name is the English Steinway.

  48. I confess I have trouble with names like

    بطرس بطرس غالي‎,
    אביתר זרובבל
    พระพุทธเจ้าหลวง
    문선명
    महर्षि महेश योगी
    孫中山
    王貞治, and
    ቀዳማዊ ኃይለ ሥላሴ.

    And these are mostly celebrities. I guess that makes me some kind of racist.

    I’m glad I don’t work at Starbucks. Imagine putting those on the cups!

    I do find, however, that Μελίνα Μερκούρη, Александр Сергеевич Пушкин, and ロナルド・レーガン are somewhat easier.

  49. Anon[233] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The Creepy Porn Lawyer has been arrested for doing his usual thing. Well, if Eugene Debs could run for president while in prison, the CPL could sure give it a shot. I’d love to see him try.

  50. n this episode of RadioActive Youth Media, hosts Zuheera Ali and Keya Roy talk to author Ijeoma Oluo and each other about their experiences living in the United States with “difficult” names.

    Can I suggest that the best place for them to live, a place where people know how to pronounce their names, is the countries they came from, or their parents came from.

    Surely then they would be happy.

  51. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’d be more fun if your name was spelled !Colin. That way, you’d have a click in your name like !Xobile has.

  52. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    An area that interests me, but I’ve never seen discussed or studied or put into a taxonomy or weoponized in a Saul Alinsky-like book, but I’m sure I can’t be the only one to notice is is: How the fringe left “oppressed peoples” use names as a way to jerk around the establishment. There is a constant process of names and words transforming from normal words to offensive words, and from silly constructions to normal words. This has expanded to new demands that things normally denominated by single words must be atomized into categories using multiple words, and in some cases new pronouns must be used (so far we have not been hit with demands to use new verb conjugations).

    You either conform to the new practices or you are *ist or *phobic. But if you conform too early you seem like you yourself are some sort of activist. And there is an expectation that you need to consult with your oppressed overlords about proper word usage and listen to their diatribes and accede to their demands.

    On the other end, if you don’t stop using some word fast enough you are *ist or *phobic.

    In addition, you have things that use deuling words, the choice of which reveals your political persuasion.

    Examples:

    Negro > Colored > Black > African American > Black

    Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life (for anti- and pro-abortion)

    Currently, Latinx. Using it you feel … stupid and activist, and you need to consult with someone on pronunciaiton, which they themselves have yet to agree on, but having to listen to them is an expression of their power over you.

    Transsexual > Transgender. Using transsexual is frowned upon, but you can still get away with feigning ignorance, and you can get away here with archly glancing at anyone who objects and shooting them an “I don’t give a rat’s ass” look.

    Sex vs. gender. Personally I use sex whenever possible, and since I don’t care about or believe in the existance of what might be called gender, I can avoid using that word. I would dread having to even have to learn what the hell gender is. In my opinion, there is way too much headspace devoted to thinking about stuff like this that is so fringe.

    Using a singular they bugs me personally as a schoolmarm-level grammar freak, but it’s a legitimate variation. To me for an indeterminate antecedent, you either get the sex wrong or the number wrong. I’d prefer to get the number right, since it affects the number of the verb, since we have no sex/gender-based verb conjugations. Any other pronouns I could never get myself to use. I think that demanding that something like “Ms.” be used is okay, but when you get into changing stuff as embedded into the language as pronouns, that is going against the native speaker brain. That’s getting close to demanding different word order, new verb conjugations, a new tense (“I’m a non-temporal genderqueer, so any verb that my pronouns are the subject of need to have the new non-temporal suffix -zid attached: ‘Zir walkzid to the store and lookzid at the sky.’” Or how about a new preposition to indicate proximity to a third-spriit-gender-noogie? Should we have personal pronouns that are used for groups of three people, to use in reference to antecedents who are in menage-a-trois genderqueer relationships? Singular, triad, plural?

    All this stuff is just harassment, forcing innocent bystanders to declare that they are with you are against you, and imposing “uncompensated emotional labor.”

    I think an element of all these weird ethnic given names, apart from subliterate parents, is the way they can be used to harass white people by demanding that they be pronounced “correctly,” when the pronunciation demanded is not correct in any conceivable way, not traditional English, not French, not Chomsky-optimal per Sound Patterns of English, not nothing.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Forbes
  53. donut says:
    @prosa123

    I was thinking NE area New Bedford , Fall River area but It’s in NJ . Are they Cape Verde Portuguese or from Portugal .

    • Replies: @prosa123
  54. Roger says:

    I just had an argument from someone who claimed that I was mispronouncing Mueller, of the Mueller report. I have also had complaints that I mispronounced names like Harvey Weinstein and Diane Feinstein, which aren’t supposed to rhyme, I think.

    Can someone explain to me why I have an obligation to pronounce these names in the way that they think that I ought to? Is it like avoiding the name Bradley Manning and using some goofy preferred pronoun?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  55. danand says:

    Making fun of “The racist practice” in practice:

    Lizet, Jadarrel & Queasia

    Skip to 2:30 for best snippet.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  56. @Tiny Duck

    Name for me other groups who
    Commit mass mouser

    Fat cats?

    • Replies: @tyrone
  57. black sea says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Hal . . . Hal . . . open the pod bay doors, Hal.

    • Agree: M. Hartley
  58. @istevefan

    Well, many of us have anglicized [sic] names because the proverbial, Paddy immigration officer could not understand how to pronounce our names, let alone spell them, so he gave it his best try, and the result is what we carry today.

    “Proverbial” = urban-legendary. The ship manifests were filled out in Europe. Our immigration officers merely copied what was on them. I know a number of immigration officers, and they are not looking to make their burden even heavier!

    No, your ancestor who arrived at Ellis Island or Castle Garden or wherever changed his own name and lied about it, at the expense of the reputations of our civil servants.

    If it happened in colonial times, as with my own family, it’s more possible that it was changed by an official over here. But most likely a county clerk.

    Don’t forget, too, that spelling in English wasn’t standardized until Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster set about doing it. Even natives often spelled their names different ways in the same document. In our case, someone in or out of the family just happened upon a misspelling that the family liked, and kept.

  59. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    That whole writing stuff on people’s faces in marker or lipstick is loaded with BDSM humiliation undertones. These nutty SJW women really do yearn to be dominated.

  60. Wait a second. If it’s not one of the pronunciations written on her face, how the hell do you say it??

  61. Moses says:
    @anon1

    I am a white male

    It’s “White man” not white male.

    • Replies: @M. Hartley
  62. @prosa123

    I went to school with a large number of eastern europeans with names that are almost as complicated as names from South India. I had a Czech friend whose name was Bill Kvcc (pronounced kivitchek). The first day of school when the teachers had to pronounce the names where always very entertaining.

  63. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Foreign Expert

    ToRaNPu.
    トランプ
    Of course it already exists as a word from card games.

    • Replies: @üeljang
    , @Lars Porsena
  64. Paul says:

    I have had my last name mispronounced in other countries — particularly in non-English speaking countries in the third world. I did not know that people in the third world were so deeply racist. I now understand!

    • Replies: @njguy73
  65. TheJester says:

    Chinese have solved the problem of unpronounceable names by adopting Western names, especially first names. A Taiwanese once told me that they, in fact, use their Western names so often in back-and-forth social interaction among themselves that they often forget the Chinese names of their friends and associates.

    The same for a Hindi boy up the street. The kids could not pronounce his name … multisyllabic and long. So … the kids voted and gave him a new name. He is now “Gavin” to the Western community within which he lives. It has been that way for years.

    There is not a hint of grievance, victimization, or racism in these practices.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @anonymous
  66. BenKenobi says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This chick is Mattress Girl-level crazy. Lewd magic-marker writing on a woman is a porn sub-genre.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  67. @Beefychops

    You can definitely stick a fork in what used to be the USA. Also, negroes don’t know the word “churlish”. Just sayin.

  68. @Daniel H

    Or Czeslaw Milosz, Nobel-winning anti-Marxist author of “The Captive Mind”, a book she should read even if she can’t pronounce his name.

  69. @Dmon

    Thank you. We are a secret society here.

    Aww crap, D.H. gave the game away.

  70. @Moses

    Tucker Carlson is a white man.
    Milo Etc is a “white male”.

  71. @danand

    Queasia said that she wants to change her name, but the host may have talked her out of it. She seemed to have a relatively decent personality despite being saddled with that name.

  72. Everybody mispronounces Keya, mon!

  73. El Dato says:

    > Kyhyaaa Rouoy
    > Suheeera Aleef
    > Meeda Comehere

    People who can’t into the Real World should go back to playing Vidya Games.

  74. Cortes says:
    @TheJester

    A brother who was in the semiconductor industry said that his Chinese suppliers were all “call me Chuck/Donald/Ian” etc when the good times rolled. Problem with delivery/quality/invoices?
    “Sorry, sir, we have no Chuck/Donald/Ian on staff…”

    • Replies: @Forbes
  75. So… how do you pronounce her name???

  76. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Keya Roy is a Bengali Indian name. Bengali Indian names are mispronounced in the rest of India, and my fellow Bengalis are often stuck up and touchy about it. But it gets beaten out of us in the playground, if we are kids, or ignored as silliness, if we are grown up and difficult about it.

    Not that Keya would be hard to pronounce for a Westerner, but for the fact we intentionally misspell our own names in Romanized orthography. Her parents probably call her something that sounds like “Ko-yo.”

    She should settle for people calling her “Kay-a”, which is what 99.9% people probably say to her face, anyway.

    The mispronunciations she’s painted on her face are likely a figment of her precious imagination. I really find it hard to believe her claim that people screw up her two-syllable first name and one syllable last name.

  77. @Auntie Analogue

    I wonder . . does Keya speak Austrian?

    Keya speaks Keya.

  78. El Dato says:

    OT:

    NASA’s first all-woman spacewalk outside ISS cancelled – due to lack of spacesuits that fit In space, no one can hear you scream… with frustration

    Koch had been scheduled to conduct this spacewalk with astronaut McClain, in what would have been the first all-female spacewalk. However, after consulting with McClain and Hague following the first spacewalk, mission managers decided to adjust the assignments, due in part to spacesuit availability on the station.

    McClain learned during her first spacewalk that a medium-size hard upper torso – essentially the shirt of the spacesuit – fits her best. Because only one medium-size torso can be made ready by Friday, March 29, Koch will wear it.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  79. @anon1

    Same here. People put the accent on the wrong part of the name. But this doesn’t bother me because I’m normal and don’t see the entire world revolving around me, my name, or my ethnicity. Unlike the people who wrote the linked article.

  80. @BenKenobi

    This chick is Mattress Girl-level crazy. Lewd magic-marker writing on a woman is a porn sub-genre.

    There’s a new trick these sorts are coming out with now. She only flies Black guys. But she has a manifesto out there blaming White men for her STDs. That’s the latest manifestation of Mattress-Type Girls. Sarah Jeong wrote some screed off-NYTimes, Atlantic, Jezebel, one of those, pushing the same nonsense. How they come up with these things is beyond me.

    • Replies: @guest
  81. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Cleveland is the not fun place name in katakana:

    Ku-ri-bu-ran-do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  82. kooThis problem could be solved with numbers…

    What is your number, sir?

    I haven’t got a number.

    No number, no latte!

  83. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    She/He/Zher/They have to go back.

  84. I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger complaining about the same problem on The Tonight Show.

    Oh, wait. That was Arnold making fun of himself for his funny accent. My bad.

  85. Fun says:
    @Anon

    Listen to some interviews. They pronounce his name correctly.

    • Replies: @Anon
  86. Both my first and last names are frequently mispronounced despite being solid European based names. Such are the joys of vibrant diversity. I don’t become annoyed instead I make a little joke of it or say something perplexing to most of them such as, “Call me anything but late to dinner”

  87. @mutecypher

    If I was after you in that line I’d tell them my name was Martin.

  88. Cortes says:
    @El Dato

    “On March 29, International Space Station ‘nauts Anne McClain and Christina Koch, were due to suit up and head out into the obsidian void …”

    McClain can always capture Koch’s walk through the glass with an Aztec camera.

  89. Old Prude says:
    @anon1

    Ya! And when my last name gets mis-pronounced it comes out “reamer”. Imagine how that hurts a prude like me.

  90. Old Prude says:
    @JeremiahJohnbalaya

    My drill sergeant would look at a name tag and shout, “Alright, Private Alphabet, give me twenty!”

  91. @Tiny Duck

    Geez Tiny Dick, you need to lay off the LSD. You are kind of pathetic.

    • Replies: @tyrone
  92. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    Agree and LOL.

    In a technical field, one sign of an over-promoted POC is how much they stumble over the nomenclature.

  93. @Roger

    “MY-NAME-IS-FRANK-EN-STEIIIIIIN”!

    • LOL: Cortes
  94. bomag says:
    @Beefychops

    Seemed a little too serious to be funny.

  95. Maybe people with “difficult” names should have their own, separate establishments where only people who can pronounce their names work.

  96. I have an “yr” in my name that is pronounced “er” – but there are always people of all races who mispronounce it by putting the r before the y.

  97. Eier-dot-tyr (tyr = ter, ok)!
    (No name jokes, ok again – but you started this one. Btw. it’s an untranslatable German wordplay, but I can’t help it: It instantly popped up in my mind when I read your post – and did make me laugh – so : Problably one in six billion. But: Every laugh adds anotherone of those sweet radiating beams to the sunshine in all our lives! – isn’t this how a nice saying could go? – Ho-ho! – Let the Sunshine
    in!

  98. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:

    From Anon in Arkansas:

    Croquet is the new golf in the WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/days-of-wine-and-wickets-11553188954

  99. Coemgen says:
    @istevefan

    Paddy immigration officer

    “Paddy” is offensive. Certainly you mean to type: Éireannach

  100. Altai says:

    OT: Apple, finding itself as one of the most unreasonably profitable companies of all time, having already violated SEC rules in parking 500 billion dollars offshore when legally obligated to dispense some of it to shareholders and having pioneered modern tax dodging, has officially teamed up with Satan and become a credit company.

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/25/goldman-sachs-ceo-says-apple-card-completely-changes-the-credit-card-experience.html

    The Apple card is a partnership with Goldman Sachs who would like to break into lower income brackets for credit cards. Jesus wept.

  101. MEH 0910 says:
    @Lloyd1927

    “Saoirse Ronan pronounces her name in every interview”

    soarsay sheershay smearshay suarez saresee saorise skersha suarshay saucy sheesha swishy shooshoo soyshe sushi seahorse cirrhosis sorsay shelly sur-sha syersha sorsha

    • Replies: @Antonius
  102. Realist says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Everybody agrees with jevtwt whute men srd y scourge if he earthen abd a he gated or all the surges oribitbdmmibky svute makes dysgfree thsy h kid you riveting tuft tger

    Finally a profound statement.

  103. Altai says:

    Mispronouncing of names is triggering because it reminds blow-ins that they are, in fact, blow-ins and the country their parents emigrated to didn’t take a blind bit of notice they arrived. There is no long history of association of their language, culture of ethnicity in the host country. It carried along nicely before and after they arrived. It reminds them they aren’t needed or desired because the host population didn’t even notice.

  104. Arclight says:

    Black Americans still largely gift their kids with names that are essentially a jumble of syllables that have no etymological root at all – mostly as an intentional way of signaling separateness from the culture at large. And it’s not just whites who fumble trying to say wholly invented names. I went to a very diverse public school growing up and black kids would be brutal to others with the most bizarre names.

    On the other hand, one thing I can say for the Latino immigrant population is that at least in my neck of the woods, many of the kids have been given very white names, presumably because their parents want to make sure they fit in. For example, there is a lady who works for a cleaning company that services several houses on my street and she knows almost zero English after having been here for 10 years. However, she named her son Kevin.

  105. Let’s not forget the twins Lemonjello and Orangejello.

    • Replies: @mmack
    , @Brutusale
  106. Gordo says:
    @Daniel H

    Zbigneiw Brzezinski

    All the sausage rolls I’ve worked with who have that Christian name get called Zibby.

  107. utu says:

    A Bit of Fry and Laurie – Your name, sir?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @guest
  108. Utter nonsense, but not unusual or unique utter nonsense.

    Probably the most common name in the English language, with its unusual spelling variant:

    Stephen

    get mispronounced all the time.

    ‘Steeve-en’ is correct.
    ‘Steff -en’ is not. (except when it is. Some people like steff-en).

    Plenty of people are, nonetheless, confused.

    Its yet another example of white people unwilling to call out blacks on their nonsense. Its a more harmless version than (‘black dysfunction is caused by lynching in the south/white racism/microaggressions/subtle racism/unconscious bias/etc etc’) but its the same category of cultural failure: blacks can’t be wrong and can’t be questioned.

    joe

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  109. tyrone says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Other groups that commit mass “Mouser” ?? ……Plummer terriers

  110. Whitney says:

    “You know when you’re standing in line at a coffee shop, trying to figure out what to order? Your mind races. How much caffeine can I handle today? Should I get that overpriced bagel?”

    I don’t even understand how anyone can function in the world who has this much stress about ordering a cup of coffee. This is sad and pathetic.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  111. Found an ancestral gravestone near here. The dumb crackers in 1850 misspelled my g-granduncles name exactly the way they have always mis-pronounced it to me, and my immigrant ancestor came here in 1648.

  112. üeljang says:
    @J.Ross

    In fact, トランプ (toranpu) is what the Japanese call playing cards or games played with a standard 52-card deck of playing cards in general.

  113. tyrone says:
    @John Cunningham

    Why would you discourage TD’s drug abuse?….think long term man!

  114. mmack says:
    @anon1

    Since mispronouncing names be raciss, Y’all are now free to “pop a cap in Dey ass” for “disrepec-an” you, knowwhutImean, homey?

  115. @joeyjoejoe

    How does Stephen Curry pronounce his name?

    I went with Steve rather than Steven because there is only one way to spell and pronounce it. People have enough problems with spelling “Sailer.”

  116. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    the pronunciation of their name is an art project they made up to be special.

    Good one.

    …crowd of Chinese people in China

    Much of today’s USA consists of crowds of Progressives who put Keisha and others on a platform and encourage them to debase the country.

  117. njguy73 says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    At least that guy had the decency to go by “Hubert Blaine Wolfe+585.”

    People should be allowed to legally change their name to alphanumeric strings. Hell, in fifty years we’ll all be cyborgs anyway.

  118. njguy73 says:
    @Paul

    I have had my last name mispronounced in other countries — particularly in non-English speaking countries in the third world. I did not know that people in the third world were so deeply racist. I now understand!

    No, when you mispronounce their names, you’re being racist, imperialist, and colonialist.

    When they mispronounce your name, they’re asserting their cultural sovereignty and performing a counter-narrative to Eurocentrism.

    ———–

    The world should be thankful I was raised by normal people. If I had SJW parents, I’d be dangerous.

  119. @prosa123

    Agree about the Polish names. I don’t think anyone even tries to pronounce Mike Krzyzewski’s name properly.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @riches
  120. anon[430] • Disclaimer says:

    Though a White male, I can somewhat sympathize, since there seem to be several variations on the spelling and pronunciation of my own name, and NOT ONCE IN MY WHOLE FUCKING LIFE has anyone gotten either right the first time. People, it’s not that hard to guess right. Ask Bernie Sanders’ wife.

    I have to carefully spell it out, EVERY TIME.

    More recently, a new variation has cropped up: OMARA, on the assumption I’m an Arab.

    But, being a White male, it’s not that big a deal, as I have plenty of privilege to comfort me.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  121. njguy73 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    How does Stephen Curry pronounce his name?

    “STEFF-en.” The first “e” is short. His full name is Wardell Stephen Curry II. His father, who went by “Dell,” played 16 years in the NBA and was named Sixth Man of the Year in 1994.

    Sometimes guys named “something junior” go by middle names to differentiate themselves. There were three generations of David Bells in baseball. One went by Gus, his son was Buddy, and Buddy’s son went by David.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  122. bomag says:
    @Anon

    …used to harass white people

    Indeed.

    Notable that the Other in these cases tend to have a keener instinct for status games than natives; the foreigner, immigrant, and Minority happily adopt a soap box and a cause, while those not so inclined just hope things don’t get out of hand. Traditional Americans have taken the route of accommodation and inclusion in hopes of getting more art, culture, and GDP; but, alas, there is just more rancor and not much else.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  123. njguy73 says:
    @Whitney

    I don’t even understand how anyone can function in the world who has this much stress about ordering a cup of coffee. This is sad and pathetic.

    At Chick-Fil-A when asked for my name, I just give a letter.

    Yes, I eat there. And I support gay marriage. Deal with it, world.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  124. mmack says:
    @prosa123

    My father legally changed our last name from a four syllable Polish surname to a single syllable last name. Growing up in Cicero, IL near Americans of Eastern European heritage his name wasn’t unusual. Joining the US Army in WWII and being shipped off to training in the Deep South with Southern Drill Sergeants and soldiers from all over the US taught him our family name was pretty unpronounceable to everyone else. After he retuned from the war and married my mother, he legally changed it. Dad was happy with our new last name, but Granddad was never happy about it for the rest of his life. He thought our family name was damned fine enough and couldn’t understand what was wrong with his son.

    Ironically enough, since my first and last names are single syllable and alliterative, people (usually store clerks) have asked me if it really is my given name. I had one woman ask me if my name was a “stage name”. Depending on how I feel I’ll either respond with mild annoyance to sly humor. However, I am happy to find out that everyone that mispronounces my name or asks me silly questions about my name is racist and I can ruin their life and cost them their job. That’ll fix em!

  125. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    The blax

    # Chicago, detroit, baltimore etc etc etc

    The hispanix

    # Mexico

  126. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Wise latina woman gives way to the more familiar New York construct: some dingbat puerto rican broad.

    # Cortazio Ortiz

  127. mmack says:
    @Auntie Analogue

    No, but she does live in one of the 57 states, and is dating a US Navy corpse-man, so there’s that.

  128. Anon7 says:

    One fine day in 1976, I was talking with my black female boss and several of my black co-workers, all of whom had “unconventional” names. They asked me “What do you think about our unusual names?”

    I thought about it (it hadn’t occurred to me before, because I knew a lot of black people with unusual names) and said that, since the purpose of a given name was to denote a person uniquely, having an unconventional name made sense to me. They laughed and thanked me.

    It was a more innocent time.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    , @Cortes
    , @Jack D
  129. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fun

    You appear to be right.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2008/10/you-know-your-name-is-ghetto-if/5965/

    Culture
    You know your name is ghetto if…
    Ta-Nehisi Coates
    Oct 1, 2008

    …it’s spelled Ta-Nehisi, but pronounced Tah-Nuh-Hah-See. But seriously, following up on that convo we had a few weeks back on how names and class work amongst white people, I got this e-mail from physician:

    The real reason I wrote, was to educate you in a very small way about names in white culture. You wrote recently about how certain white names signify a lower socioeconomic status, a nuance that had until recently been lost on you.

    As a pediatrician, and one who is having a spasm of ire right about now, there is nothing like a name as class signifier. In particular, I would like to share two with you. Nevaeh is a very popular name right now, and I have several in my practice. Its origin? “Heaven,” spelled backwards. Not a name you’ll be seeing on the Upper East Side or Martha’s Vinyard.

    Ditto any “creatively” spelled Biblical names. Being named “Eyezaya” (you figure it out) only really tells people that your parents were too lazy to look up the correct spelling in a handy Gideon Bible. This also applies to names with extra Hs, Ss or vowels.

    I thought that this was pretty funny. But also pointed to something about the whole “black pathology” piece. We are always quick to assume that the black poor are somehow particularly dysfunctional, and not simply poor. I read and enjoyed Freakonomics and liked that chapter on “black names.” But one wonders why folks don’t study the impact of “white working class” names, or the difference in naming traditions amongst the black working class and the black middle class

    I’ve been banging this point home over and over, but I think the fact that the major centers of study, theorizing and writing (Manhattan and D.C.) just so happen to be in areas with large amounts of poor black people, almost no poor white (or even working class) white people, really colors the conversation. I want to add that as someone who named his son Samori (when its pronounced Sah-Mar-Ree) and who came up around girls literally named Shenikwa and boys named Travon, this idea that naming your kid something different–color aside–justifies your socio-economic status holds zero truck with me. Of course unintentionally misspelling a kid’s name, well…

    The previous month’s column had this:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2008/09/what-the-white-man-means-when-he-says-quot-ghetto-quot/5815/

    When I was 17, I scooted off to college at Howard University, “the capstone of Negro education.”

    I had never heard of Jack and Jill, before I got to Howard, and I thought all black girls dyed their hair red/blue/blond and threw in finger-waves and extensions. It was at Howard that I learned that Tamika was a ghetto name–not an American one. Indeed, Howard was the first place where people didn’t make fun of my name, but would stand back, nod and say, “Wow, brother that’s deep. What’s that mean? How’d you get that name?” You must understand that it was the tradition among a certain sect of students to give themselves African or Arabic names in their first year.

    Howard was the first place where I got snapped on for pronouncing “carried” as “curried,” for calling “Baltimore,” “Baldimore,” for calling a “pocket-book,” a”pockiebook.”

  130. We could offer a form of “name reparations” by intentionally effing-up (I mean, changing) our privileged names. Here are some ideas:

    John becomes j’On
    Mary becomes meyree
    Richard become reeshard

  131. peterike says:

    Another troublesome Asian among us! Every day in every way, PeterIke’s Law is asserting itself. Here on iSteve, we are steadily heading toward the Asian Singularity, after which every post on iSteve will be about troublesome Asians.

    Speaking of troublesome Asians, Harvard trained doctor via Malaysia, one Vignendra Ariyarajah, killed his mistress’s baby. Probably because he was so enraged over the constant mispronunciations of his name.

    https://nypost.com/2019/03/25/harvard-trained-doc-accused-of-killing-pregnant-mistresss-baby-in-jealous-rage/

    Joking aside, it’s an extremely gruesome story. The guy is a flat-out monster. But then there’s this:

    After Ariyarajah’s indictment, he was released on $750,000 bond arranged by bail bondsman Ira Judelson.

    Hmmm. Does Malaysia have extradition with the U.S.?

  132. Anon7 says:
    @anon1

    That’s terrible; I feel your pain.

    My problem is that there are a half-dozen different ways (depending on national origin) to spell my last name, which up until now was merely a constant source of irritation. Now, though, the scales have fallen from my eyes, and I see it for what it is – racism! Nothing less than systemic, institutionalized racism against everyone of my ethnic background. Bastards.

    Now that I’m woke, I’d also add that during the start of the computer age, I was discriminated against because I have a long last name, which was cut short to save disk space on the LASTNAME field. Bastards.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  133. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Basically EVERY English word has a Japanese pronunciation. I sometimes think that Japanese think their pronunciation is the correct one and ours is just some weird variation. Check any Japanese English dictionary.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  134. @wren

    Fentanyl is just the latest government scary drug to keep the sheep under control and wanting the unconstitutional War on the American People AKA the War on (some) Drugs going.
    In my short 50 years on this Earth it has been PCP, cocaine, crack, meth, various designer and Eastern European drugs, heroin, and now Fentanyl. Each getting the nightly news scare story with serious looking government employees and “medical” people telling us how this latest scourge was going to kill us all after it turned our kids into homos.

  135. @Tiny Duck

    Evidently the mini-mallard didn’t wait long enough after he took his meds before writing this.

  136. @Anon7

    Yes, much more innocent.

    Before we became “woke”.

  137. In all these interactions and dialogues, the white man is always the default. It’s who they have in mind. Sure, this dialogue is meant to put the white man on edge, but it is also meant to grab his attention.

    I go to very multicultural networking events in Toronto sometimes, where you literally see Arabs, Africans, Sikhs, Latinos and Asians all packed together in one small room. When people from two distinct non-Western cultures interact, they’re always butchering each other’s names. Of course, they almost always don’t interact in any meaningful way beyond exchanging pleasantries. I notice, however, that people from many of these groups who proudly display their ethnic names on their name tags take special pleasure in seeking out a white person and attempt to befuddle him.

    Take advantage of this fact instead of being bothered by it, I say. Focus on the better-looking women from these groups and say, “Oh, what an interesting name. Tell me how to pronounce it,” or “maybe we can talk about your culture over a cup of coffee”. These mischievous schoolgirl types will often oblige so long as you don’t show yourself being initially phased by their silly microaggressive games towards you.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  138. nglaer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Lol. Reminds me of story of guy who worked as rock and roll producer/event planner. He was arranging a party with hookers for some band and called a call girl service. Turns out the girl doing the bookings knew him from prep school. She said “Billy, you know you don’t have to give your real name.”

  139. Flemur says:

    I know that white racists hate me because they mispronounce my last name even though I’m white and my name is weird. I really hate those white racists!

    I worked at a software shop which had a lot of Chinese people who could NOT pronounce the boss’s Dutch name, which had four syllables and was packed with Ls and Rs.

  140. @utu

    That was very funny! It’s Monty Python type humor, and they’re British too. The one guy said “freakin’ hurt”, which is a moder thing, so is this pretty current, utu?

  141. Mr. Anon says:
    @R.G. Camara

    The movement of minorities in America towards non-normal names is a deliberate “fuck you” to whites and to assimilation. When blacks were held in Jim Crow and terrified of breaking the law, they all had names like William, Joe, and Richard.

    The trend has also caught on with whites. Plenty of white millenials (and even some who are older) sport goofy, made-up designer names, with a variety of ridiculous spellings. Pretty soon, nobody will know what to call anybody. Fortunately, in New Socialist America, names will not be necessary; you will identify yourself using the chip embedded in your forehead.

  142. @njguy73

    Yes, I eat there. And I support gay marriage. Deal with it, world.

    That just great! For every #2 Spicy Chicken Combo you order, another homo couple has to travel all the way to the Castro district of San Francisco, with a side trip to the wine country, in order to get married. Have you no shame, sir?!

    BTW, is it “New Joisey Gye”, is that right? I want to get it right.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  143. @Anon7

    Haha, did they fix that along with the Y2K stuff?

    If FORTRAN variables must be 8 characters or less, and it’s been in use for a long time, I don’t see why the rest of us can’t keep our names down to 8 also. The dot-Indians would probably have a hell of a time though …

    • Replies: @Anon7
  144. @njguy73

    Still does. He’s the new manager of the Reds.

  145. Pericles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    How does Stephen Curry pronounce his name?

    It could be Step-hen.

    • Replies: @anon
  146. @Chris Mallory

    Dude 70,000 people died last year from opiate overdoses. I agree with you in spirit about government regulation and overreach, but this goes far beyond a nightly-news-scare-story

  147. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    The Vietnamese have met us halfway. They seem to ok if you pronounce Nguyen as “win”, but they keep the original spelling.

    Is it racist to refer to San Jose, California as “Sanazay” like five million people do?

  148. AKAHorace says:

    My name is Mike Hunt.

    Yours in solidarity Keya.

  149. @Anon

    Coates’s personal writings are fun an interesting. When he attempts to extrapolate from his highly idiosyncratic (and comparably prosperous) life to society at large is where he runs into problems. I don’t think he’s as dumb as Steve likes to tease, but he’s much more equipped to write, say, humor or comic books than societal treatises.

  150. OFF TOPIC

    The Pewitt campaign for the 2020 GOP presidential primary will state that Obamacare steals hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare to give luxury health care to illegal alien invaders.

    The Pewitt campaign has also outbid Yang for the loot bag voter cohort by offering up ten thousand dollars a month. It is called the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion.

    Trump wants to cut Medicare and cut Medicaid and cut Social Security.

    Trump wants to massively increase legal immigration.

    Trump is now pushing amnesty for the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Tweets from 2015:

  151. @Chris Mallory

    It’s almost like people enjoy taking harmful drugs that anesthetize their brains. And it seems to be generational.

  152. On a related note, Deadspin has posted its bracket with the 64 best names of real college athletes (LINK).

    Let’s see if Keya can pronounce correctly all the names on the list, including such choice examples as Tushna Commissariat, Deicide Huxtable, Geor’quarious Spivey, and C’Bo Flemister.

  153. @KunioKun

    I come to this blog for the laughs, but I stay for the wisdom.

    Oh, do you drop the heavy weights with a thunderous crash or do you set them down gently?

  154. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Foreign Expert

    Raj on Big Bang Theory once pointed out that more of his people speak English than Americans, so HIS accent is correct.

    • Replies: @guest
  155. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Foreign Expert

    I hear that Shakespeare is much better in the original German.

  156. CCR says:

    Go to 1:50 for the relevant section, but the whole thing is funny.

  157. Jack D says:
    @Rohirrimborn

    I went to HS with a guy named Woiciechowski, which everyone (including the kid himself) pronounced witchy cow ski, which is not even close. OTOH, maybe it’s better that way. On NPR, the Latino reporters really lay into the authentic Spanish pronunciations of their names – “This is Marrrria Eeeenohooooooosa reporting.”

  158. Jack D says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    A lot of colleges now have websites set up where you have to record what your name sounds like or spell it out phonetically so they can read it out properly for graduation. The people whom they get to read the names out at graduation practice in advance and take special pride in pronouncing each name authentically. One of my wife’s students was having a hard time because she had a name like Kathy Smith and couldn’t think of a way to spell Kathy Smith phonetically that wasn’t Kathy Smith.

  159. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Let’s see if Keya can pronounce correctly all the names on the list, including such choice examples as Tushna Commissariat, Deicide Huxtable, Geor’quarious Spivey, and C’Bo Flemister.

    Let’s see if Keya can correctly read coach Mike Krzyzewski’s name off a piece of paper, aloud, without hesitating.

  160. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Is Storm Duck, a person on that list, related to our own Tiny Duck?

  161. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    You have to string together some random letters to make a non-English name, and therefore to name your kid like an asshole while living in the USA.

    I have the right not to give a shit about the inflection at the third syllable among the 500 other names I have to remember. I also have the right to free speech that doesn’t care about “racist”.

  162. Just pick a nickname, for crying out loud.

  163. @J.Ross

    But what about the first name? Donarudu?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  164. Jack D says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Right, the other day on NPR they were telling about a national address that George Bush I gave on TV to address the “crack epidemic” in the late ’80s. The speech writers wanted him to be able to hold up a bag of crack and say that this had been sold in the park that was directly in front of the White House. They went to the DEA and ask them whether there were any drug arrests in Lafayette Park and they told him no – the park was swarming with cops and drug dealers did not usually go there – they stayed in the ghettos of SW Washington – plenty of crack available in the parks down there but not in Lafayette Park. So the DEA undercover agents had to concoct some kind of cockamamie plot in order to lure a drug dealer to meet them in Lafayette Square so they could arrest him and the President could hold up a bag of crack purchased in front of the White House. The brother who sold the crack was an 18 year old high school student – one of his other deals was within 1,000 feet of a school so he got a mandatory 10 year sentence for selling that little baggie of coke.

    • Replies: @Lot
  165. It’s funny to see all the iSteve commenters suddenly “realizing” that asians aren’t actually on the “white” side. You guys are just as delusional as white liberals.

    Asians are highly arrogant, elitist, racist and ethnocentric. Saying “muh conservative asians” is just a cope to make yourselves feel like you have more “allies” than you really do.

    You can jerk off all day about how “asians pay taxes “, but at the end of the day, they want you and your family dead, and their own people in charge. Unlike blacks, they are actually competent and will achieve this.

    ESPECIALLY in the 2nd generation once the brainwashing kicks in.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @ATBOTL
  166. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    As njguy73 said: STEFF-en

    One interesting thing is that Nike lost him at least partly through a name pronunciation mistake.
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/15047018/how-nike-lost-stephen-curry-armour

    The pitch meeting, according to Steph’s father Dell, who was present, kicked off with one Nike official accidentally addressing Stephen as “Steph-on,” the moniker, of course, of Steve Urkel’s alter ego in Family Matters. “I heard some people pronounce his name wrong before,” says Dell Curry. “I wasn’t surprised. I was surprised that I didn’t get a correction.”

    It got worse from there. A PowerPoint slide featured Kevin Durant’s name, presumably left on by accident, presumably residue from repurposed materials. “I stopped paying attention after that,” Dell says. Though Dell resolved to “keep a poker face,” throughout the entirety of the pitch, the decision to leave Nike was in the works.

    I make fun of snowflakes like the one in your post who scream racism about things like this, but the Curry reasoning kind of makes sense to me. If you are signing a major contract with someone I think it reasonable to expect them to know you well enough (and care enough about details) to get your name right.

  167. Antonius says:
    @MEH 0910

    How about Siobhan, or perhaps Steven Saylor (the author of those pc Roman detective stories) not the blogger.

  168. Tiny Duck says:

    BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE

    http://time.com/5558888/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped/

    Looks like you guys were wrong with this one,

  169. riches says:
    @Rohirrimborn

    [no]one even tries to pronounce Mike Krzyzewski’s name properly.

    If “anyone” means strangers who know nothing of him and are meeting him in person, of course they will try to pronounce his name correctly. It’s what polite people do.

    Over the decades, I believe most people have heard of him and try to pronounce the name correctly, i.e., the way he wishes.

  170. Spartan says:

    It’s remarkable that she agreed to have that picture published. Slack-jawed, glassy-eyed stare, eyes drifting towards crossed. She looks like a retarded kid graffitied by her schoolmates.

    • Replies: @anon
  171. L Woods says:

    All charges against Smollett dropped. This country is a corrupt, clownish joke. I won’t even bother saying “I told you so.” But please boomers, tell me more about how Justice sill reigns and everything is great except for “losers.”

  172. Cortes says:
    @Anon7

    The section on US first names in the classic “Names” by Basil Cottle might bring a tear to a glass eye. From memory, his gems included “Onan”, “Virgule”, “Perdita” and D’Shon. If I’ve misremembered, sue me.

  173. @Anonymous

    Did I just see that all charges against Mr. Smollett were dropped? That his defense attorney is claiming this as vindication?

    Am I seeing things? Is this Fake News? Or did the Wild-and-Crazy-Guy bodybuilder brothers recant?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  174. rodan32 says:

    As a parent this is one of the things you consider when naming a child. If the kids are going to have to spell their names or explain them every time they order a pizza then maybe the name is a burden and not a cool and unique signal. I get that with immigration people are going to come here with odd names. But then I look at my friends who immigrated from China and their clever approach of choosing English names (and the same works the other way; a lot of Americans in China use a Chinese name.)

    It’s not racism. It’s just a thing.

  175. Barnard says:
    @L Woods

    Crook county strikes again. Smollett’s attorney’s are back to calling him a victim. Our legal system is a joke, these people should be disbarred.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-jussie-smollett-charges-dropped-20190326-story.html

  176. Truth says:

    JUSSIE SMOLL IS FREE!!!

    (All hell finna’ break loose in 5…4…3..)

    • Replies: @Prester John
  177. @snorlax

    Not to brag, but I and more than a few other commenters on this site called it. Black, gay, moderately wealthy and somewhat famous? Those, sir, are the trump cards of Pokemon points.

  178. “ Jussie Walk Away Renee “

    • Replies: @captflee
  179. JimDandy says:

    Hey, does anybody remember the knowitall blowhard who posted here something like, “See, the system isn’t rigged–Jussie Smollett is being charged and he will go to prison and blah blah blah.”

    Send this his way:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2019/03/26/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped-against-empire-star/3276106002/?fbclid=IwAR3Wef9iX3lzrj-qgMO6XAFCXYHyX7SHkzjEw3FCjy7shqB3hdLzD4D5alw

    • Agree: South Texas Guy
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @South Texas Guy
  180. I share my first name with 500,000 other Americans. About half the time clerks or nurses either cannot understand it or ask for it to be spelled. Was mildly annoying, now is mildly funny. Relax and enjoy life!

  181. mmack says:
    @L Woods

    L Woods,

    It’s Chicago my man, it’s not like it’s anywhere based in reality.

  182. captflee says:

    Jussie done been vindicated, praise be! Those of you in Chicagoland must be so proud.

    Despite their bog-standard American English pronunciation, a sizable chunk of the population of our littoral cities mangle one or both of my given and surname in astonishingly creative ways. Granted, my given is relatively rare, excepting one little area of the upper south in which it features much more as a surname, but any second grader really ought to be able to manage it. Somehow, when my name gets flubbed, I strive to go on.

  183. RudyM says:

    I have an odd German last name. My father’s side of the family has been here since the mid-1700’s. All my life, most people who see my last name for the first (or second, or third) time, pronounce it as if it is actually the common last name that is bares the closest resemblance to my actual last name (even though that name has a vowel and a consonant not even found in my name). If the person mispronouncing my name is not someone I am going to be interacting with regularly, I almost never bother to correct them.

    My father used to collect misspellings of our last name, out of amusement, from mail we had received.

    Clearly I have been living as an oppressed German-American, without perhaps fully realizing how badly I have been oppressed.

  184. @Canadian Observer

    Save yourself the trouble, just don’t interact with non whites. It’s an easy way to fix the problem. I grunt when speaking to brown people (if I absolutely have to).

    I have suspected that they have an inferiority complex towards whites. If you think about it, it makes sense. Articles like these (and the behaviours you describe) are essentially crying out for attention. NOTICE ME, they scream.

    The truth is that white people are quite insular on individual and communitarian levels. Most of these minorities feel like they’re being snubbed by whites because whites don’t actually care about them, despite the constant media barrage that they are special and fully loved.

  185. Truth says:
    @JimDandy

    Nah, don’t know who that is.

  186. Anon7 says:
    @L Woods

    I’m a lifelong cynic, but this takes the cake:

    In a statement, Anne Kavanagh, a spokeswoman for Mr. Smollett’s lawyers, said: “Today, all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped and his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him. Jussie was attacked by two people he was unable to identify on Jan. 29. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/arts/television/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped.html

    And yet, in the same article:

    The investigation eventually focused on two brothers, Olabinjo and Abimbola Osundairo, who knew Mr. Smollett. They… told investigators that Mr. Smollett had paid them to stage the attack on him as a way to gain publicity because he was unhappy with his “Empire” salary.

  187. OT–Cook County dropped ALL charges vs. Jessie S. and SEALED the file! His penance? Forfeiture of bail (big effing deal-his friends will reimburse him) and the inevitable “community service”. The CPD is pissed. Surprise!! But…it’s “the Chicago way”, right?

  188. @JimDandy

    If I recall right, at least several commenters on this site throughout the Smollet soap opera were of the opinion that this was a bridge too far. Guess it wasn’t. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me the local crime case would have been an easier win than a possible FBI mail fraud case. I hope they get an indictment and pursue to at least make him shell out legal fees.

  189. Anon7 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, I had to laugh about that (I’m not laughing now, though, since I know it’s racist). With the eight character limit, my name was at least broken on a complete syllable. But when they lengthened it to ten, that just cut me off in mid-syllable. Even worse.

    Is it just me, or should long-last-name people like me be forced to stand in the shadow of digital discrimination for our whole lives? Is that fair? My patrimony actually cut short?

    I think IBM and the guys who created FORTRAN owe me reparations for the suffering I’ve endured.

    And since much of the suffering came from mailing lists, is there a big pot of money somewhere associated with the Direct Marketing Association that I can get at? I’m looking at you, Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center!

  190. RudyM says:
    @Daniel H

    Polish names should simply be outlawed altogether.

  191. benjaminl says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Not sure if someone posted this already, but reminds me of the classic Key and Peele bit on college athletes Hingle McCringleberry, T’Variusness King, Tyroil Smoochie-Wallace, etc.

    “The East/West College Bowl”

  192. captflee says:

    I suppose if one were to be extremely quiet just now, the faint sound of thousands of eye scales hitting the floor should be audible.

    Really, Chicago, do micturate on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

  193. captflee says:
    @Waylon 347

    Very droll, sir, very droll.

    Hey, 347, if you get a spare minute, the Linda Ronstadt/Ann Savoy version of “Renee” is a beautiful thing.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  194. indocon says:

    Steve, wake up and time to get back to work, assume Jussie will be on your mind.

  195. njguy73 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    So I help out the airline and wine industries. You’re welcome.

  196. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    I spell it like it sounds: “Tennessee,” and pronounce it the same. Couldn’t be simpler. YMMV.

  197. Jack D says:
    @Anon7

    Are you sure this was 1976? Generally speaking, before about 1964, American black people had ordinary English names, although they sometimes tended perhaps toward the more colorful – Leroy, Cassius, Thurgood, Emmett, etc. The “African” and “invented” names (Ta-Nehisi, D’Shawntavious, Lashawna) names came starting in the mid-60s.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  198. J1234 says:
    @Beefychops

    I watched the clip and laughed, but about a half a minute into it I figured it had obvious social justice applications. Good humor often cuts two ways (or more) though, and Key and Peele seem smart enough to be able to critique black ignorance and political correctness, too.

    Of course, many blacks seem to give their kids somewhat unpronounceable names to promote a sort of shallow exclusivity (kind of the same way they sometimes wear outrageous clothes or drive distastefully ornate cars.) The irony is that first name exclusivity is something they borrow from white social tradition, and often the French language. French (or Norman) has often been thought of as “upscale” among English speaking people since 1066…or not too long after. African names are now more popular among blacks, of course, but the idea is the same – you make up something that white people aren’t familiar with and it makes you feel smarter than white people. If that all sounds very fourth grade, well, it is.

    Or it could just be the black inclination towards excess – the human tongue is the most pliable, malleable, intentional and intricately controlled muscle in the human body. Why waste that unique ability on names like Brad and Roger?

  199. Jussie gets off! It’s a back-room deal, just as I predicted. I’m thinking that if this were to go to trial, it would reveal serious legal violations on the part of the DA’s office – hence the state folds.

  200. Jack D says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Wow, just wow. Someone really put the fix in. Our rulers barely even pretend to hide their double standards anymore. The Chicago PD (who was not told in advance) is said to be livid. There should be a Federal investigation of how the fix was done but there won’t be. Anyway, the FBI is even more politicized than the Cook County State’s Attorney. Who will watch the watchers?

    This makes zero sense – Jussie forfeits his bail but concedes nothing. Usually in order to get them to drop the case you have to at least express contrition. If he was really attacked why is he forfeiting his bail?

  201. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    All this stuff is just harassment, forcing innocent bystanders to declare that they are with you are against you, and imposing “uncompensated emotional labor.”

    When everything is political or politicized, then all arguments/disagreements devolve to the power domination game. For most, it appears the greatest frisson is getting others to respond, “How high?” when you say, “jump!”

    At bottom, all the so-called vanity-signaling is just tribal signaling–signaling in advance what “team” one belongs to, preempting any backlash, frontlash, and any other lash that might be brought to bear.

  202. @J.Ross

    This latest fake outrage is especially gratuitous …

    And nonsensical.

    It’s entirely natural for people who are unfamiliar with a name (or a word) to mispronounce. That’s the very nature of “unfamiliar”–not knowing it.

    If that mispronounciation is offensive to people, then the only solution is to not allow such unfamiliar names to exist. I.e. to not have “diverse” peoples in contact.

    Logically this article is yet another demonstration that diversity is not a strength, but rather creates unhappiness, hurt feelings, contention and conflict.

    • Replies: @Jamal Bernstein
    , @MarkU
  203. “Should I get that overpriced bagel?”

    WTF??? That’s a clear micro-aggression against Jews! So Jews are shysters who manipulate the bagel market to take advantage of minorities with funny names? A boycott of this woman is in order.

  204. @AnotherDad

    In Iceland, you can’t legally register a stupid birth name. It’s considered an inappropriate burden on the child.

  205. Forbes says:
    @Cortes

    I was in Japan 40+ years ago, and very officious (Japanese) people would often say in perfectly pronounced English, “I do not speak English.” It was their way of passing the buck when confronted by questions from round eyes…

  206. Jack D says:

    One small ray of hope – Jussie is not yet off the hook with the Federal Postal Inspectors for the fake threatening note.

    But I wouldn’t hold my breath, the way things are going. If this is our justice system under Trump, you can only imagine how great they will be during the Cortazio-Ortiz administration. Venezuelan levels of justice await us!

  207. @Tiny Duck

    Muslims commit mass murder daily.

  208. @L Woods

    All charges against Smollett dropped. This country is a corrupt, clownish joke.

    It’s probably just wishful thinking but maybe some of the CivNat types will finally wake up.

  209. SF says:

    I took five years of Spanish, but whenever the name of Justice Sotomayor comes up in conversation I anglicise it with the accent on the first syllable because, dammit, if you’re going to be an affirmative action judge, the least you could do is pronounce your name like you belong here. So, guilty as charged, I suppose.

  210. moshe says:
    @L Woods

    Howdy Bowdy,

    this begins at 7 minutes

    Then again, we must live in damn boring times if this sort of minor socio-political event (rahm’s surprising presser) seems interesting.

  211. Guilty as hell,free as a bird! GayBlackJew Jussie walks!

  212. guest says:

    “For the last time, Omar, it’s ‘Mike,’ not ‘Ma-hiche, Allah praise be unto him.”

    – me in Somililand, I mean Minmesota. If my name were Mike.

  213. Elsewhere says:
    @Anon

    Hate to break it to you, but Ta-Nahasi is the way Coates insists his name is pronounced. Something about it being based on Egyptian. I dislike names that run roughshod over phonetics, so I pronounce his name as spelled in my own head. If I met him in person, I’d use his pronunciation.

    • Replies: @sailor1031
  214. Anon7 says:
    @Jack D

    It could have been a year earlier or later, but yup, 1976.

    My personal favorite was a name that perfectly fit the woman who had it – her name was “Searsie”. It was an alternate spelling of “Circe”, the witch goddess in the Odyssey who turned Odysseus’ men into pigs.

  215. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    CPD FOP are claiming that they have texts where Foxx is being lobbied by a former Obama aide, and is intervening on Smollett’s behalf I think? What a bizarre and brazen act. Why not just negotiate a plea down to a misdemeanor with community service if your goal is to spare him jail time?

    Only thing I could think of is mishandling of evidence by CPD, especially as it relates to Smollett’s medical records, but prosecutor’s statements seem to go against that:

  216. guest says:
    @Lloyd1927

    She deserves it, good and hard. Not Anglicizing or Americanizing is a hostile act as a celebrity. This ain’t the green, green grass of home.

  217. res says:
    @Jack D

    And they sealed the case. Unbelievable. The US really is a third world country at this point.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  218. @Jack D

    I only hope that this is the local court getting out of the way of the Feds.

  219. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    There were crack dealers in NW DC in the early 2000s. Particular places included Mass Ave below 7th St and around F St and 9th. Logan Circle and Columbia Heights were ghetto too. As was the whole Shaw area.

    These places are now all in various stages of gentrification now, and were likely even worse under Bush I. Mass Ave NW below 7th in particular looked like a bombed out war zone with burnt abandoned buildings.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  220. Today’s screed from the NYT about how the world needs to be a safe space for stunning and brave females who travel solo:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/travel/solo-female-travel.html

    • Replies: @International Jew
  221. This can’t be over.

    The Full Jussiestice will be served only when the Nigerian Bleach Bros end behind the bars.

  222. Vinteuil says:
    @Jack D

    Woiciechowski

    hmmm… Voy-tsyeh-chove-skee? Would that be close?

    (I first visited Poland last Summer, loved it, and hope to go back soon, so I’m trying to learn a little of the language).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  223. Vinteuil says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s funny to see all the iSteve commenters suddenly “realizing” that asians aren’t actually on the “white” side. You guys are just as delusional as white liberals…

    You can jerk off all day about how “asians pay taxes”…

    You seem to be confusing this with some other website.

  224. @Daniel H

    dan, My lawn service guy has three Zs in his last name and two Ys, no other vowels which leads too…”Hey Mike double cut this week, party on Saturday.” His response…”No problem Mr. Joe.”

    • Replies: @prosa123
  225. J.Ross says: • Website

    Black prosecutors who are black first and prosecutors second drop all charges against Jussie “That Empire Guy” Smullitt. Rahm Emmanuel is angry, and rightly so, since as he points out this is a blow to the credibility of unconstititional hate crimes laws. White people will be woken up to hate crime laws and to what happens when minorities hold a crucial public office.
    ——
    Measles in Oakland County, Michigan! Amid the reminders to vaccinate (that is, to stop asking disrespectful questions about Big Pharma) there is a quiet admission that patient zero was a visiting Israeli. No open borders advocate can open their mouth about disease. Oakland County is our local center of people opting out of vaccination — it’s also aberrantly wealthy and well-educated.

  226. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Jus, you are Comment# 24 but I doubt anyone says it better. Jus is short for Justin, Right?

  227. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Yes, absolutely. I remember coming into DC in the early ’90s and driving down New York Ave (Rt 50) and waiting for the ghetto to stop as we got closer and closer to downtown – it seemed like it went on and on forever and wasn’t going to run out until we reached the White House (it did, but only a few blocks before – uncomfortably close to the heart of the Empire). OTOH, I can believe that drug deals in Lafayette Square were not common, even then.

  228. Jack D says:
    @Vinteuil

    Yes, that’s about it. Chove rhymes with love. My mother saw his name on some class list and said it out loud and at first I didn’t realize who she was talking about.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  229. @Beefychops

    Beefy, don’t you ever just want to stand up and say…”Stop this shit.” You have tenure and those SJWs that present this shit aren’t your friends.

  230. Rahm knows that politics is the art of the possible, and it’s time to give Irgunmented Reality primacy over the augmented narratives.

  231. guest says:
    @Jim Christian

    I still enjoy the white girl who dreamed of moving to New York to be a journalist and find a black guy with whom to make a caramel baby, and even in her fantasy the father bailed and went to Africa or something.

  232. MarkU says:
    @AnotherDad

    I wanted to use the term ‘social capital’ in a piece and thought to get a definition to be on the safe side.

    Social capital broadly refers to those factors of effectively functioning social groups that include such things as interpersonal relationships, a shared sense of identity, a shared understanding, shared norms, shared values, trust, cooperation, and reciprocity. Wikipedia

    So much for multiculturalism and diversity.

  233. Keya, sorry white devils mispronounce your name but you are adorable and I would love to run my fingers through your lusturous processed hair, if that’s ok with you. You can call me Buff, but it is actually pronounced Bah-fal-lah. Going to attend an inner city HS graduation, grab a program, and hear how the names are pronounced. Oh, and add III to my name.

  234. guest says:
    @utu

    Mr. Nipple’s odd behavior can be explained by his opioid addiction.

  235. guest says:
    @Anon

    But he’s not with his people, is he?

  236. J.Ross says: • Website

    Flat out lying on NPR about Portland (Oregon) seeing clashes “between the far left and far right.” On the planet Earth, all the violence has been from leftists, who as in everywhere else only come out of their firetrap squats with the permission and encouragement of local politicians. If you want to be safe from antifa rioters simply hold a press conference where the mayor and police chief state clearly that existing laws will be enforced and masks will not be tolerated.
    —–
    Flat out lying on NPR yesterday with extremism “expert” J. M. Berger (author of a new book titled after his “expertise”). Berger scientifically proves that noted Jew-hater Donald Trump must be a Nazi because after all right wing people preferred him to Hillary Clinton. That’s not his whole argument — he also counted incidences of people saying MAGA on Twitter. Expertise, ladies and gentlemen! He makes a lot out of “leader-of-the-alt-right” David Duke endorsing Trump. Sailer readers will recall Steve’s explanation that Duke is a guy you pay to endorse your opponent — apparently doctor professor Berger is Duke’s lagniappe. Berger also asserted that Trump refused to condemn extremism. That’s a lie. I’m guessing Berger is making hay out of various mass media exchanges earlier on the presidency where Trump was prompted to say X and he did, then he was told X wasn’t good enough and now he has to say X+1. He also calls the migrant caravans a “narrative” which is a neat trick because it lets him call it a lie without calling it a lie. Berger is NPR “covering” the implosion of the SPLC — that is, covering in the criminal sense and not the journalistic sense. If NPR has mentioned the implosion of the SPLC yet I haven’t heard it, but they have new untainted hate experts ready to go.
    ——
    Flat out lying on NPR — Hostile Territory, a remarkable art exhibit photographing the migrant caravans that don’t exist. At one point the NPR journalist asks about people who “believe that [illegal immigration] is illegal.” The guy doing Trump’s work for him is a U of M anthropology professor and dissolves into babble about how Americans are responsible for Central American woes.

  237. guest says:
    @L Woods

    To be fair, that is Chicago, not the country. Where you can get away with trying to start a race war if you grease the right poles.

  238. Jack D says:
    @res

    Even Rahm Emanuel is complaining, although who knows whether he is playing a double game and is the one who put the fix in in the first place.

    The DA said that they preferred to concentrate on violent offenders, which is BS – they prosecute lots of non-violent crimes, Jussie diverted massive resources from the investigation of violent crime, and most of all, he tried to foment a race riot which would have been plenty violent. The NY Times reporter Tweeted the DA’s line and even her readers weren’t buying it.

    • Replies: @bomag
  239. Michael S says:

    Does “hoebag” count as mispronunciation?

  240. prosa123 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    My lawn service guy has three Zs in his last name and two Ys, no other vowels

    When I was a child my father had a friend named Leo Iorio. Eight letters, six vowels.

    • Replies: @anon
  241. These SJW types thrive on attention (as I am sure you’ve discovered), but why keep giving them what they want? That chick who dragged her mattress around her uni campus a few years ago to protest “rape culture” is the patron saint of the SJW. It’s all about the attention wars. When this stuff was new to me I would read and share the stories too…”can you believe they are trying to get a guy fired for reading a book about the Civil War during his lunch break and “traumatizing” the helpless POC who walked by him and caught a glimpse of the cover? This is madness…these people can’t be serious!”

    I was genuinely shocked and greatly disturbed by the sheer irrational batshit nuttiness of their grievances, the sadistic glee they took in ruining people’s lives and the cowardice of the many people who stayed silent when their school/workplace was targeted, effectively throwing their colleagues and acquaintances under the SJW bus.

    The novelty eventually wore off and the shock and outrage faded. I still hold these people in contempt for their bigotry and the damage they are doing to the social fabric of the nation but I refuse to give their cause any oxygen. There is an entire cottage industry on YouTube dedicated to “outraging” over every SJW pogrom, e.g. Paul Joseph Watson, and I really don’t get the appeal. Yes, these people and their nefarious victimhood cult are about as pleasant as the effects of drinking a cup of toxic waste but flying off the handle and clucking hysterically over every stunt these morons pull is unbecoming of logic-based people who, unlike the snowflake SJWs, ought to have their emotions under rational control. Ritualistic counter-SJW outrage is an awful lot like “being triggered”…

    Unz scribes, thankfully, are not given to PJW style hysterics but SJW attention war antics still get a lot of publicity even though there is nothing new under the sun as far as their stunts go. Every click on an SJW article helps keep their cursed clown car on the rails. The sooner they stop attracting an audience, the sooner they will be consigned to their rightful place in the dustbin of history.

  242. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    It’s part of the self-blackening of mulattoes, if StePHONNE is even that, as his father Dell is light-skinned and his mother is a blue-eye blonde. I saw a bit of some show where SteffON was driving around with Joel Embiid, an actual black African, and was trying out-black him. It was hilarious.

    On a side note, get ready for a third generation of extremely light-skinned Currys in the NBA in about 20 years, as his brother Seth (also in the NBA) is engaged to the daughter (also a mulatta) of former NBA great and current Clippers’ coach Doc Rivers. The first baby was a daughter, but I’m sure they’ll keep trying. Seth has been unsuccessful in blackening his given name, as far as I know.

    I think all of the offspring of Dell’s and Doc’s played sports at least at the D1 level, and three of the sons are in the NBA. The NBA is currently sporting several sets of brothers: the Currys, Holidays, Plumlees, Zellers, Bertanses, the latter three sets very white…

  243. bomag says:
    @Jack D

    Maybe too much of a “prosecution for being Black”.

    Don’t want to discourage other such claims.

    But why now? Why an emergency hearing? Looks a bit like a response the the Mueller report, as suggested by a couple talk show callers.

  244. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lars Porsena

    Donarudo. They tend to prefer “o” where the automatically included vowel is silenced, but this isn’t constant.

    • Replies: @üeljang
  245. ATBOTL says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    This is an age issue. Older whites weren’t as exposed to Asians as younger whites and see them as a “model minority.” Younger whites who went to school and work with hordes of Asians see them as just another part of the mass of nonwhites who are dispossessing us.

  246. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It’s pronounced Voy-tse-khovs-key – see, it’s not that hard, and I’m not even Polish.
    The problem is the English language – in almost any other European, excepting weird fringe ones like Gaelic, Basque, and French*, you know exactly how to pronounce someone’s name just by reading it. I know, a novel concept to many here – WYSIWYG in spelling. In most other European languages, even semi-literate idiots know how to pronounce a name upon seeing in written. Not so in English, except for the most common biblical and Anglo names.

    The solution, of course, is to switch to Esperanto, which has been taking over the world** in the last few decades. First Esperanto, then the metric system, and America will be great again.

    *Just sort of kidding about French
    ** And by the “world”, I mean a few autistic shut-ins on Arpanet.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  247. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spartan

    I bet she thinks she’s hot enough to pull it off. That’s why the likes of Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, Angelina et al. get all tatted up – to show competitors they’re hot even with the handicap.
    Although, maybe guys in their assortative mating milieu think it’s attractive.

  248. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123

    Perhaps the keyboard in the newborn ward where he was born had all the keys ripped out except for ‘Y’ and ‘Z’?

  249. Corvinus says:

    “Spoiler: This practice of mispronouncing names isn’t just embarrassing. It has a long and racist history.”

    LOL. The Coalition of the Fringes are getting their knickers in a twist with some nobody author (pronounced KEY-YAH) who is grievance mongering.

  250. anon[473] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    When Leonard Pitts isn’t available for proofreading and editing…

    Or angling for a Poet Laureate gig in a post-Trump America?

  251. @Steve Sailer

    Had to deal with a programmer by the name of Stef – on (rhymes with step on).

    Had my hair cut once by a woman named duh – bor – ah

    – James “You can call me Al” Speaks

  252. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    This makes zero sense.
    It makes perfect sense. It is as it was foretold by Lee Kwan Yew: when black people are the judges and lawyers, the law and courtroom procedure will be what they say. They are pursuing tribal interest rather than democratic principles or what’s best for all.
    Look at us. We justice now.

  253. peterike says:

    I moved right out east, yeah, listen

    On the Peking ferry I was feeling merry
    Sailing on my way back here
    I fell in love with a slit-eyed lady
    By the light of an eastern moon
    Shangai Lil never used the pill
    She claimed that it just ain’t natural
    She took me up on deck and bit my neck
    Oh people, I was glad I found her
    Oh yeah, I was glad I found her, woohoo
    Wait a minute

    I firmly believe that I didn’t need anyone but me
    I sincerely thought I was so complete
    Look how wrong you can be

    The women I’ve known I wouldn’t let tie my shoe
    They wouldn’t give you the time of day
    But the slit-eyed lady knocked me off my feet
    God I was glad I found her

  254. anon[473] • Disclaimer says:

    I have a fairly common first name but it’s pronounced incorrectly more often than not. Mostly by women. Jerk, a**hole, moron, and so on. Even by baristas. But I’ve learned to just smile and carry on.

    At least my name isn’t Shithead (She-thayd).

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  255. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheJester

    A black restaurant chef I used to work with on Long Island could not pronounce or remember the names of the 10 -12 Puerto Rican (this was the 1970’s) kitchen helpers.
    He got around this by calling them all “Sam.”

    They seemed to be OK with it.

  256. @Anon

    Freakonomics talked about white underclass names. The female ones were all porn star/stripper names.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  257. @Forbes

    Yes, in this age nothing is chance or accidental. The pendulum will eventually swing back to normal, just not soon enough.

  258. Thirdtwin says:

    “…a long and racist history…”

    Starting the day her ancestors encountered people from a culture with a written language. Probably muslims.

  259. Thirdtwin says:
    @anon

    “At least my name isn’t Shithead (She-thayd).”

    Or Peace Eshiet…

    https://m.facebook.com/public/Peace-Eshiet

  260. @Jack D

    Now try your hand at pronouncing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytrzyszczka

    Polish would be a lot easier to read if they just used the Russian alphabet. That szcz thing: it’s a single letter in Russian — щ.

  261. @Jack D

    “This is Marrrria Eeeenohooooooosa reporting.”

    Oh, I love that. Maria Hinojosa was only (I think) the first one to do that. Or was it Silvia Pogiole (“reporting from Rome…”)?

    Or maybe it goes back to the 1980s, when goodthinkers pronounced Nicaragua (usually when discussing the iniquities of Ronald Reagan). On NPR now, they try to pronounce every Spanish word authentically like that. It’s not easy to do; they might have a course on that in journalism school by now.

    My dog’s name is a popular Mexican food, and recently someone, on learning his name, took care to pronounce it authentically. Which I thought was pretty ridiculous.

    • Replies: @anon
  262. My dog’s name is a popular Mexican food, and recently someone, on learning his name, took care to pronounce it authentically.

    That sounds like a bit that should have been in ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  263. @Redneck farmer

    Well, that’s because underclass white girls become strippers more often than Oberlin graduates become strippers.

  264. @Reg Cæsar

    That should read “most fun”.

    Don’t post from a Kindle. Just don’t

  265. @captflee

    One of the scariest things is seeing then-and-now pictures of people ten years or so older than me.

    • LOL: captflee
  266. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Sad article. They didn’t need to go so far afield, they could have just gone to downtown Köln on New Years Eve.

    Give it ten more years and western European women won’t be safe travelling alone even as far as the corner boulangerie.

  267. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Larry would give his dog an unintentionally racist name, like Enward, and his neighbor Wanda Sykes would call him on it.

  268. dan smith says:

    You mean like Dwyane Wade? Thought it was a typo until it kept appearing with the same spelling

  269. dan smith says:

    Yippee Keya m&&&&&@@!

  270. Well, it worked, didn’t it? She’s got 300 comments here.

    How does this compare hourly or daily with other iSteve posts?

  271. The Irish have little problem pronouncing it:

  272. Ragno says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Never mind “Jim Crow” – when common sense and the rule of law held sway in this country, a lot of people’s better angels constituted their public personas. A lot of it was fronting, but so what? – it beats the 21st-century Doberman snarl as a howdy-do.

    Nor was it just blacks. My God, if I had a nickel for every time I was sharply reminded that good ol’ Judah Benjamin was as proud a Confederate as General Lee, I might’ve been halfway to being Judah Benjamin!

  273. jim jones says:
    @Cortes

    One of my students had great difficulty in believing that “flour” is pronounced the same as “flower”

  274. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    The Spanish/Latin American pronunciation thing with NPR is, I think, simply training their goodwhite listeners to accept a hispanic USA that’s coming. Judging from conversations with lefty friends, it’s working, as they assure me we’ll all be a brownish hispanic slurry in the good old USA soon enough, and there will be no more racism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  275. duncsbaby says:
    @Tiny Duck

    I’d hereby would like to change my commenter name to “oribitbdmmibky svute.”

    I’m pretty sure that’s a literal translation of my current name to Tiny Duckese.

  276. Roger says:

    After listening to the recording, I think that I will just pronounce everybody’s name phonetically, regardless of skin color.

  277. @anon

    …they assure me we’ll all be a brownish hispanic slurry in the good old USA soon enough, and there will be no more racism.

    Just like in Mexico!

    • Replies: @International Jew
  278. üeljang says:
    @J.Ross

    Actually, the most common nonce vowel that is inserted to avoid a closed syllable (a syllable that ends with a consonant) when transcribing foreign words into Japanese is /u/. Occasionally, /i/ is used instead (e.g. the /i/ in テキスト tekisuto “text; textbook”). They use /o/ after /t/ and /d/ for the purpose of avoiding a sequence of /tu/ or /du/ because these sequences historically have shifted to /tsu/ and /dzu/ > /zu/ within the Japanese language: e.g. 勝つ /kat-u/ > [ka.tsu] “to win” vs. 勝たない /kat-a-na-i/ [ka.ta.na.i] “not to win,” 命綱 [i.no.chi.zu.na] “lifeline” < inochi (< */inoti/) "life" + -zuna (< */-duna/ < */tuna/) "heavy-duty rope, cable."

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  279. Brutusale says:
    @anon

    Before we were married, I used to joke with my ex that she should just change her surname to “Canyouspellthatplease”.

    After we divorced, she did NOT go back to her maiden name.

  280. @Elsewhere

    Better still don’t ever pronounce it at all, not even in your head. You’ll be much happier. Heck, if everybody refrained from mentioning this Gotham pustule we’d all be much happier.

  281. @Brutusale

    Nor Victoria and Albert Museum (alleged to be nigerian twins). Always reminds me of Antone (pronounced a la francaise “antoine”) or the new mother who wanted to name her daughter Vagina “it’s such a pretty name”.

  282. Michelle says:

    I get called, affectionately, “Michelle Lay” by Black people all the time.

  283. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Lol. I expect this to become a regular iSteve meme reply.

  284. J.Ross says: • Website
    @üeljang

    Is that a function of what the speaker is doing with his mouth, ie, with some vowels it’s easier to “cancel” the sound?

  285. Here’s a trans-species dimension to names domestic and foreign: dog names in Los Angeles County. More exactly, names of dogs owned by people who bothered to register them:
    http://projects.latimes.com/dogs

    Note the preponderance of Anglo names among the most common ones:
    angel baby bailey bear bella blackie brandy brownie buddy buster charlie chico chiquita coco cody cookie daisy duke fluffy ginger harley jack jake lady lola lucky lucy maggie max missy molly oso peanut penny pepper precious princess rocky roxy rusty sadie sam sandy sasha shadow simba snoopy sparky spike toby

    There’s an inference to be drawn concerning the law-abidingness of Latinos and Orientals. (But also the degree of their cultural assimilation, and unfortunately I don’t see how to disentangle the two.)

  286. @Reg Cæsar

    Could you translate that for us? There’s a lot of slang there, I think…

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