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The Monkey Cage, the political science blog in the WaPo, notes:

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Is segregation the problem in Ferguson?
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By Jonathan Rodden August 18

Over the last few days, punditry about Ferguson, Mo., has converged on a common, well-rehearsed narrative about segregation in St. Louis that goes back to the 19th century: whites will do whatever it takes to prevent blacks from moving into their neighborhoods, including redlining, restrictive covenants, large-lot zoning, intimidation and violence. When these ultimately fail, whites build new interstates and move en masse to the next ring of undeveloped farmland, leaving behind destitute neighborhoods with no investment or opportunity.

According to this narrative, the shocking lack of diversity in the Ferguson city leadership and the violence and rage of recent days are merely the most recent crops harvested from the old seeds of segregation. This narrative is depressing in large part because it suggests no real reform agenda. It implies that African Americans of North St. Louis County can take over the local government and police force only when the last remaining whites die or move to St. Charles County and the cycle of disinvestment is complete. The rest of us can only shake our heads in righteous indignation.

This narrative is wrong in several crucial respects. For starters, while St. Louis is indeed among the most segregated metropolitan regions in the United States, Ferguson and some of its North County neighbors are among the most racially integrated municipalities in Missouri and well beyond.

In the St. Louis metro area, a black was elected mayor of East St. Louis way back in 1971. Unfortunately, the population of East St. Louis has dropped from 70,000 in 1970 to 27,000 in 2010 as blacks flee a black run city.

That appears to be a general pattern, with Detroit as the most striking example: blacks follow white leadership around and, in the long run, flee black leadership.

In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco).

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  1. On Fox the reporter Steve Harrigan(?) basically accused the black-bloc irregulars of doing street theater and then they angrily (natch) ran into the shot to assure him, oh no, that is the gravest kind of libel, we’re gonna kill you, etc. etc. When I first caught the highlight reel clips of all the MRAPs and tear gas at this “Ferguson” place I’d just assumed they were shooting a Chris Nolan or Michael Bay flick there, for tax reasons. But actually Fergusville or Mid-Fergwich or whatever it’s designated, is the locus of Southern racism, historically… No wonder the locals have nicknamed the subprime foreclosure converted rentals in those less-restrictively zoned blocks “Little Sarajevo”… This could start WWIII, mark my words

  2. AnAnon says:

    “leaving behind destitute neighborhoods with no investment or opportunity.” – They want both self determination, and to live in a society built and governed by others, these two goals are mutually contradictory.

  3. Interesting fact, North St. Louis County was one of the last places in America to ratify the 13th Amendment, after Alaska & Arizona even

  4. Jefferson says:

    Racial segregation is a good thing because it prevents evil Demonic KKK White men from murdering 6 foot 4 Black babies.

    Had Ferguson been 98 percent Black like East St. Louis, that poor 6 foot 4 toddler Michael Brown would still be alive today.

    More Blacks should favor racial segregation if they want to prevent more innocent Black lives from being taken by the most evil Satanic race ever created which is Whites of course.

    RACIAL SEGREGATION SAVES BLACK LIVES.

  5. Jefferson says:

    “While most of St. Louis County’s residents live in municipalities that are either homogeneous or internally segregated or both, Ferguson and its North County neighbors stand out for their relative heterogeneity and internal desegregation. Moreover, the income gap between blacks and whites is smaller in these municipalities than elsewhere.”

    Yeah the income gap between Whites and Blacks in Ferguson is smaller because the Whites in Ferguson are just as broke as the Black underclass there.

    There are no financially well off Whites living in Ferguson. White people who make good money, tend to not want to live around large swaths of Blacks.

    Do you think Steve Sailer would ever live in a zip code that is 67 percent Black ? No way, he makes a decent enough living to be able to afford to live in a Whitopia.

    Whites in Ferguson be poor yo, that is why they have not White flighted out of there. They have no rainy day funds.

  6. Jefferson says:

    I hope the White police officer in the end defies the odds and gets a David and Goliath like victory against Eric Holder, so that Ferguson can burn to the ground. It will make for extremely entertaining television just like the 1992 South Central Los Angeles riots, especially in the age of round the clock 24 hour cable news.

    A full blown South Central Los Angeles style riot in Ferguson, Missouri will by far be the most entertaining thing I will see on television since the end of Breaking Bad.

    Just sit back relax, grab a soda and popcorn and watch Bantus do what Bantus do best.

    We’re going off tonight
    To kick out every light
    Take anything we want
    Drink everything in sight
    We’re going till the world stops turning
    While we burn it to the ground tonight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHuogY04SbI

  7. Harold says:

    There are 40 million blacks in America. I belong to a much smaller minority of about 4 million. Very few of us are given jobs by white Americans, we are not eligble for affirmative action, we are not allowed to go to American tax payer funded schools, we are, in fact, completely segregated from white Americans and are forced to live in our own nieghborhoods with all our own infrastructure only funded out of our own pockets. It’s a hard life, but we make a go of it. Our secret? We have land to provide an agricultural base for our economy, and our complete segregation allows us to make decisions that are best for our community. Maybe American blacks should demand these things.

  8. The Monkey Cage,

    Kind of an unfortunate name for that blog.

  9. dearieme says:

    What an extraordinary juxtaposition; what appalling manners.

    “Monkey Cage
    Is segregation the problem in Ferguson?”

  10. keypusher says:

    Missing in Rodden’s account is the fact that Ferguson has gone from 2/3 white to 2/3 black in 25 years. Presumably the white exodus will accelerate now.

    For those who see value in the preservation of sustainable multiracial neighborhoods, the low-slung middle-class suburban houses of Ferguson and Florissant might be as good as it gets in the United States.

    Great.

  11. Ted says:

    I don’t think anyone has said that segregation was the problem in Ferguson. The problem is a nearly all-white, out-of-control police force, one of whose members recently murdered an unarmed 18 year old.

    I understand that racists won’t be bothered by this since they believe that all black people are thugs and deserve to be shot down. But decent Americans feel differently.

    What you don’t do is ask why things are as they are and this is where it becomes very complex with a history in out country not so pretty and things that have been done to black folks not adequately “repaired”… 250 years of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and then discrimination ever since Jim Crow… Not that Jim is dead and gone…

    Yes, from a white perspective it would be great if the black citizens of Furgeson were as well educated as their white counterparts but that doesn’t exist in America… Same with jobs… And access to justice… Or credit… Or, or…

    It’s complex that will take a nation motivated to fix to fix it or we will be revisiting this in 50 or 100 years.

  12. bleach says:

    If segregation is necessarily bad and diversity intrinsically good, why don’t white neighborhoods ever seem to suffer from segregation? why is it only NAMs that suffer from being forced to live amongst only their own kind? Doesn’t this fact imply that NAMs are worse neighbors and need diversity just to live in a decent community where their numbers are watered down?

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  14. DJF says:

    The official “Narrative” always starts at “White Flight’, but reality starts with “Black Flight”. Blacks flee Black neighborhoods and move to White neighborhoods. Whites then flee. Both flee for the same reason, they don’t want to live in a Black neighborhood.

  15. George says:

    There is no diversity in Ferguson. Whites are all trying to move out, or are waiting to die of old age while Blacks have no choice about moving in. Once you get your section 8 voucher, you have a very limited amount of time to find a place to rent, or you lose your voucher. So if Ferguson has spots open, that is where you go.

    What a legacy white police force in Black town looks like:

    Officer who pointed rifle at Ferguson protester suspended indefinitely

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ferguson-police-suspended-20140820-story.html

  16. Jack says:

    Steve, it is not blacks fleeing the liberal white leadership so much as the liberal white leadership is pushing out the blacks…I think this is one of the reasons so many white liberals support massive immigration, to reduce the percentage of blacks in America.

    I have seen this in New York City and parts of Philadelphia , as formerly black areas are gentrified and the blacks are pushed out to the nearby suburbs with the help of section 8 housing …this is creating many more towns like Ferguson , formerly white suburban areas are turning black as gentrification forces blacks out of the urban areas.

  17. Jon says:

    “In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco).”

    That’s a good point. If you look at metro Detroit, many blacks from Detroit over the last 20 years have moved into Oakland County, MI which has a conservative County Executive in L Brooks Patterson.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/01/27/drop-dead-detroit

  18. Anonymous says:

    Ferguson is probably on it’s way to becoming mostly black. Riots, arson, looting and tribal violence will have that effect. It’s been the same thing all over the country for the past fifty years. Entire neighborhoods in Chicago went from mostly white to all black in short periods of time due to black terrorism driving people out. They acquired white’s homes at a fraction of their value as a result. What it really should be called is black terrorism. Any attempt to stand up to it that results in one of the terrorists getting hurt, such as happened to the swaggering thug, is met with outbursts of yet more violence. They’ve managed to get their way all these years by the use of terrorism and threats of it, inducing the rest of society to keep spending more and more money for things like closing gaps, public schools with metal detectors, pre-preschool, midnight basketball and on and on. It’s all money down the rathole. Meanwhile, keep paying barbarian tribute. Or else.

  19. charlie says:

    The more interesting aspect is that after a week of this — the myth-meme of evil Southern racism — public opinion is not consolidating.

    Black people have their view of events, and white people have theirs.

    Obama, as usual, is blowing a good oppotunity here. This is a potential great pivot on police militarization, and a terrible pivot on race.

    Sending Holder is weak sauce, and trending towards the race size.

    My own view is everytime the police shoot someone, you need a mandtory outside truth commission — not guilt or innocence. I have no doubt that 95% of the time the shooting is justified legally. Doesn’t make it right.

    I’m not shocked that the feds are not investigating the hate crimes being visited on the local Indian shopowners.

  20. Segregation is a huge problem. The problem is my kids don’t get enough of it; they still have to go to school with 70IQ ghetto thug Basketball-Americans.

  21. In the Baltimore -Washington area, the game of Old Maid has been going on since the 50′s. What you see in Ferguson – I mean the movement of people – is an on-going event around the Imperial Capital. Blacks started to relocate to PG county as government handed them jobs in the civil service. The whites then moved out of the county. Hispanics started to push out the blacks from DC, but then the rich whites from the suburbs came in and priced out the Hispanics.

    In Baltimore you have the added entertainment of a large Jewish community. For reasons no one has explained, the Jews love the blacks. The Jews move in and begin importing blacks from Baltimore into subsidized housing. The Gentiles flee and you end up with a weird fusion of 1920′s Warsaw and modern day Lagos. The Jewish business then sell-out to the Koreans who don’t mind running cash businesses in the ghetto.

    But hey, diversity is our strength.

  22. The Monkey Cage? Writing about Ferguson?

    Racism!

    “that poor 6 foot 4 toddler Michael Brown would still be alive today. ”

    LULZ.

  23. Bill P says:

    It’s because black men go where they can get jobs (they don’t qualify for nearly as much in welfare as the women), and naturally the women follow them. Liberals put up multiple barriers to employment (e.g. credentialism, green policies, high taxation) that disproportionately affect blue collar workers, and now even small business owners (Seattle’s $15/hr minimum wage).

    Actually, this has gone beyond being a minority thing. Young white males are fleeing liberal white areas too. Take Massachusetts for example. Young people are abandoning the state like never before.

  24. African Americans, like other hard-working groups of Americans, go where the jobs go. White management left Detroit with the manufacturing bust, a good deal of the African American workforce left as well, economics tend to be a stronger force than social instincts in demographic patterns.

  25. Art Deco says:Website

    That appears to be a general pattern, with Detroit as the most striking example: blacks follow white leadership around and, in the long run, flee black leadership.

    To some extent that is because black mayors are most common in black majority municipalities, but municipalities in that state tend to be suffering from the sort of feedback loops identified by Gunnar Myrdal. One particularly severe problem concerns police forces. When your police forces are placed at the municipal level and metropolitan centers are fragmented, the loci where police protection is most utile are the loci least able to pay for it. Metropolitan police forces would ameliorate this problem.

    You do have another problem, which is the general outlook of the sort of blacks who go into politics and the reaction to that outlook among the black rank and file and the broader population. Generally, the results are not salutary.

    It should trouble us that Robert Bowers, perhaps the most accomplished black mayor of the last fifty years, was just voted out of office. It should also trouble us that Rudolph Giuliani’s accomplishments were regarded with indifference by about 85% of the local black population.

    About 15 years ago, there was an incident in the Bushwick school district in Brooklyn wherein a local elementary school teacher named Ruth Sherman read the book Nappy Hair to her students. The result was a mass meeting at the school with hundreds of irate parents demanding her scalp. A magazine reporter viewing the scene noted drily that a meeting some weeks earlier on the school’s test scores was very sparsely attended. That’s illustrative of the problem here, which is that people’s thinking about public life is addled by some severely misplaced priorities and by a habit of looking at the world with the aid of a funhouse mirror which magnifies and reduces social problems in bizarre ways. In an ordinary sized metropolis, you’ll have perhaps 50 homicides a year, among them maybe one or two black men killed by white police or white civilians, of which killings attended by questionable circumstances would be more infrequent still; this really is not a systematic or severe problem in American life. But here we are…

    Until you get a dual-track cultural shift (wherein you get a critical mass of politicians whose administrative skills are more salient than their inclination to run their mouths and the populace is sensitive to performance deficits rather than deficits of RESPECT), you’re going to have disasters like Detroit.

  26. Game of Pin the Honkey keeps missing the mark.

  27. The rest of us can only shake our heads in righteous indignation.

    No, Jonathan Rodden, that is not the “only” thing you can do.

    You can invest in these communities with your capital. You can buy a house in Ferguson for dirt cheap, fix it up, get your Internet connection set up for uploading your righteously indignant articles to your employer, and move your family there so all Ferguson’s special snowflakes can go to school with your kids.

    Makes me want to puke.

  28. Anon66 says:

    US blacks are one of the richest ethnic groups on the planet, controlling hundreds of billons of dollars of purchasing power every year. Why do they need anyone else? White flight should not be a problem.

    Last night on NPR they had some woman complaining there were not enough women of color in the publishing industry. According to her, college educated black women read more books per capita than any other group so publishing houses should have lots of colored women working for them. The obvious question is, why don’t black women take advantage of this huge opportunity to provide for this underserved market and make a lot of money for themselves. Oprah made it big so it is possible. They should quit whining about whites and develop a entrepreneurial spirit.

  29. Related:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jsvine/the-ferguson-area-is-even-more-segregated-than-you-thought?#44slz7j

    If segregation is so bad, then why aren’t the white people who live in segregated white areas rioting?

    As for St. Charles County, well, like I said yesterday, just as the Ferguson is turning in to East St. Louis, St. Charles County is slowing turning into Ferguson. Why? Because of the school transfer issue (which crosses wires slightly with the festivities in Ferguson, as Michael Brown graduated from the HS in the unaccredited district neighboring Ferguson-Florissant). And why is that? Because, once the black kids start going to school way out there in St. Charles County, that’s the beachhead that makes the parents want to move there, and it is already starting to happen. And if they can’t find “affordable” apartments, i.e. Section 8 dumps, well then look at Westchester County, N.Y. to see what the Feds will do about that.

  30. Hetman says:

    “In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco).”

    Didn’t blacks immigrate to White-run South Africa? Maybe it would be better for blacks if less of them had the right to vote…You could perhaps solve this by making voting rights dependend on the amount of tax someone pays.

  31. In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco).

    Reminds me of the Richard Florida theory. Anyway…

    High-acheiving blacks follow conservative white leadership to escape the dysfunction of their co-ethnics. Yet, their friends and extended families join them, with regression to the mean setting in. If left unchecked, a tipping point (heh) is reached and things go Zimbabwe.

    Yeah, it’s fashionable to blame whites for “fleeing,” but that’s more intellectual dishonesty on the part of liberal white leadership that will never have to deal with black dysfunction in their own backyard.

  32. When a black man declared his “rage,” Eric Hoffer shot back: “Mister, it is easy to be full of rage. It is not easy to go to work and build something.”

    Hoffer was convinced that the black leadership was taking the wrong approach, if they wanted to advance the people in whose name they spoke. Only achievement would win the respect of the larger society and — more important — their own self-respect. And no one else can give you achievement.

    Thomas Sowell, “The Legacy of Eric Hoffer: Part II.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2003/06/19/the_legacy_of_eric_hoffer_part_ii/page/full

  33. So the solution is to get better black leaders so they don’t follow us around. Sounds good to me.

  34. Jon says:

    @PublicEnemy

    The Detroit suburbs are doing fine. Detroit’s suburbs are among the best in the country. Detroit’s fall was due to demographics. White collar workers from Detroit recreated upper middle class Detroit in the nice suburbs in Oakland County, MI. Working class whites from Detroit recreated the working class neighborhoods in the downriver suburbs in the metro Detroit area.

  35. Big Bill says:

    Holder seems to be shifting the narrative. Rather than hammering on Mikey’s shooting he is sidestepping to generic Black oppression in Ferguson. He is talking about the “history” of race relations in Ferguson being the real “issue”, according to USA Today and other mouthpieces. Apparently his FBI interviewing team has collected enough interviews and looked at enough evidence to know that federal prosecution of the cop is a non-starter and (given what we know now) would damage the Democratic Party.

    There will be a few more rallies, Holder will skedaddle back to Washington and promise a complete and full investigation of the Ferguson “history”. Once things have calmed down and black folks are distracted by something else, he will drop the investigation just like he did the Trayvon Martin case.

  36. It woudl be good if someone would systemtically compare black migration with black political leadership. While doing it, check white migration too. It would be interesting if black leadership caused more black migration than it does white migration, but that might be the case. Maybe the first thing is that most whites move out of the city, it then elects a black mayor, and then the blacks move out too.

  37. AnAnon says:

    @PublicEnemy

    Said white management left detroit for a few miles outside of detroit. Except of course that the major automakers had to stay in the city if they wanted federal support. They were not allowed to leave.

  38. Sebastian says:

    Obama, as usual, is blowing a good oppotunity here. This is a potential great pivot on police militarization, and a terrible pivot on race.

    “Police militarization” has nothing to do with that’s going on in Ferguson. Why do people keep trying to tie the two together?

  39. dearieme says:

    I’ve lost track of all this stuff. Is Ferguson governed by a council that’s majority black or majority white?

  40. iSteveFan says:

    I think it speaks volumes about the left that they would describe the legal exercise of one’s constitutional rights as white flight. Only a lefty would consider the exercise of a constitutional right a problem. The heart of the matter is that whites are practicing their constitutional right to associate, and the left doesn’t like it. The right to associate is right up there with the right to bear arms on list of rights the left would like to revoke.

  41. TWS says:

    @Ted

    Since you lied or are entirely ignorant of what constitutes ‘murder’ I’ll break it down for you. Brown is shown on camera committing Assault and Robbery. Witness statements, both autopsies, and all evidence shows that he then committed first degree assault against the police officer.

    Following that in the course of his assault he was shot dead after severely injuring the police officer. If Brown had been shot by the shop owner, it would have been legal, once he’s severely injured the police officer the fleeing felon rule was (probably) in effect. Local jurisdictions interpret it differently since 1985. But he could have been shot even if he was running away. But that is not the case every autopsy has shown he was on his feet charging and was killed still running towards his victim.

    It doesn’t matter what color the shopkeeper, the robber, or the officer was. It was a good shoot legally, ethically, and training tactics wise. Brown was a violent felon who caused his own death. Race had nothing to do with it until DOJ and race baiters did so.

  42. Nothing improves a city like having blacks run it.

  43. Art Deco says:Website

    High-acheiving blacks follow conservative white leadership to escape the dysfunction of their co-ethnics.

    Not high achievers. Ordinary salaried employees and skilled tradesmen. About a third of the blacks in greater Detroit and greater Washington live outside the core city, nestled unobtrusively in and among the rest of the population (with some qualification re Washington). (The homicide rate in the Detroit suburbs is 2.4 per 100,000. In the core city, its 48 per 100,000). People keep saying East St. Louis, but Ferguson bears little resemblance to East St. Louis (or did, before this mess).

  44. “The rest of us can only shake our heads in righteous indignation.”

    And that feels so good.

  45. Art Deco says:Website

    @countenance

    As for St. Charles County, well, like I said yesterday, just as the Ferguson is turning in to East St. Louis, St. Charles County is slowing turning into Ferguson.

    Ferguson bears little resemblance to East St. Louis. St. Charles County has a population of 360,000 of whom about 15,000 (4.6%) are black. Not likely to resemble Ferguson any time soon.

    Again, federal subsidies account for about 5% of final sales in rental housing. You’re not likely to find many loci with intense concentrations of beneficiaries.

  46. Art Deco says:Website

    @The Z Blog

    In Baltimore you have the added entertainment of a large Jewish community.

    About 4% of the population across those four counties, around the same as greater Washington. Not too different from other large coastal cities (e.g. New York, Philadelphia, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco / Oakland / San Jose.

  47. Off topic (but somewhat related):

    “Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing – and some experts argue it’s because humans have reached their intellectual peak”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

  48. Art Deco says:Website

    @PublicEnemy

    Just to point out, the four counties around the Detroit municipality have lost 5% of their population since 1970. Erie and Niagara Counties in New York (encompassing Buffalo and Niagara Falls) have lost 8% of their population; there have been places hit more severely than Detroit by the decline of heavy manufacturing.

    While we are at it, the homicide rate in Buffalo bounces around a set point of 18 per 100,000 and that in Niagara Falls 8 per 100,000. The homicide rate in the Detroit municipality is 48 per 100,000

  49. I won’t try to contravene your overall thesis, but blacks don’t flee San Francisco. They are more comfortably ensconced here today than ever before. Starting in the late ’80′s mayor Art Agnos (the guy who legalized sodomy in Cal. when he was #2 in the State Assembly) flooded civil service with blacks. The result is we now have a quadrant of the city filled with black retirees. You can see them any morning, 250 lb. mammoths doing their slow motion constitutionals around Lake Merced. Then turn on public access TV, and see all the 30-something blacks in various city cabinet positions going through the motions of phony democracy. The best job in the City, cable car driver, is held mostly by blacks. Black bus drivers park (possibly living in the East Bay) park their cars in handicapped zones because they all have placards. But some things are just unexplainable. Today it was announced that the position of California State Librarian, which pays $143k, will go to the son of Malcolm Lucas (“maximum Mal”), the former conservative Chief Justice, who retired in 1996.

  50. Jefferson says:

    “The problem is a nearly all-white, out-of-control police force, one of whose members recently murdered an unarmed 18 year old.”

    Hey Ted if Blacks do not want to deal with an out of control police force, they should all move back to their ancestral homeland Africa.

    “It’s complex that will take a nation motivated to fix to fix it or we will be revisiting this in 50 or 100 years.”

    So throw more money at the problem ? Trillions of dollars have been spent on Black America/the war on poverty and how has that been working out so far ?

  51. Jefferson says:

    An Asian liberal named Arthur Chu writes an article about Michael Brown and Ferguson, Missouri. He basically says White people are evil and Black people are kind gentle souls.

    Which makes him a hypocrite because he lives in a city in Ohio called Broadview Heights which is a whopping 91 percent Non Hispanic White.

    Since he thinks Blacks are the greatest thing to ever happen to this country, I wonder why he does not move to 93 percent Black East Cleveland or even 53 percent Black Cleveland ?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/12/men-without-a-country-mike-brown-trayvon-martin-my-father-and-me.html

    The irony is that the majority of anti-White liberals live in communities where the race that they hate the most is the dominant demographic. Most anti-White liberals do not want to live in the neighborhood of the race that they defend the most which is Blacks.

  52. Jefferson says:

    A Black police officer kills an unarmed White man in Salt Lake City, Utah.
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/

    If White people were a racially tribalistic people, this would be getting huge traction right now.But most White people do not get angry at the thought of a Black police officer killing an unarmed White person.

    Meanwhile Black people are ready to Chimp Out if they hear that a White person so much as even looked at a Black person the wrong way.

  53. rod1963 says:

    Most of these black problems are a result of the state and feds doing social engineering to spread diversity among people who don’t want it. The state and feds mandate a certain amount of low-income apartments(which I call crime generators) that every town must have. Afterwards, the state and cities provide monetary incentive for blacks to move to white areas and then proceed to culturally enrich them with their presence.

    A similar process is occurring with blacks the government is importing from Africa. Many are directly shipped to white towns and then placed on welfare and SSI.

    Without their meddling there wouldn’t be a problem. The blacks would stay put and the the whites would be free of them. But as long as the government continues to ram them down our throat on our dime, they will plague us.

  54. fnn says:

    @C. Van Carter

    “The rest of us can only shake our heads in righteous indignation.”

    That’s what Paul Craig Roberts does mostly these days. He must be looking forward to the next world.

  55. Peter says:Website

    Since all this happened I’ve been roaming around Ferguson on Google Street View, and it really does not look bad at all (and you usually can tell). Decent businesses, well-kept houses, that sort of thing. It will be a tragedy if these events send the town into decrepitude.

  56. Jefferson says:

    “Since all this happened I’ve been roaming around Ferguson on Google Street View, and it really does not look bad at all (and you usually can tell). Decent businesses, well-kept houses, that sort of thing. It will be a tragedy if these events send the town into decrepitude.”

    Is Ferguson, Missouri the type of city you would like to live in ?

  57. Re Ferguson: a crowd funding campaign for Darren Wilson has raised $150k from nearly 4,000 donors in 3 days: http://www.gofundme.com/supportofficerwilson

  58. Huntman says:

    @Ted

    The reason Ferguson has an all-white police department is because it has an all-white municipal government is because the majority blacks were too stupid, too lazy, too ignorant to vote. You get the government you deserve. You get the consequences you deserve.

  59. Anon says:

    West vs Islam.

    Warship vs Worship.

  60. A big problem for the liberal / Democratic coalition (Think NATO: an attack against one is an attack against all) is that all it takes is one of their less stable members to become uncorked to drag the rest of the lot into war. There are many white liberals who know full well that blacks are more prone to violence and other problems but once the proverbial shooting has started they just play their role by going into complete and total denial about the nature of interracial violence in America. For some of these zealots, no amount of evidence will ever get them to admit otherwise.

  61. anon says:

    Since all this happened I’ve been roaming around Ferguson on Google Street View, and it really does not look bad at all (and you usually can tell).

    Since you’ve explored, you’re probably already well aware of this. The ‘problem areas’ are confined to one small section on the edge of Ferguson.

    Ferguson Map

    The riots and looting are taking place on a quarter-mile strip of Florissant Ave.(turquoise).
    The high crime Projects/Section 8 are in the peninsula (lime-green).
    The Ferguson ‘city center’/retail shopping area is the (blue dot).

  62. keypusher says:

    That appears to be a general pattern, with Detroit as the most striking example: blacks follow white leadership around and, in the long run, flee black leadership.

    I don’t really buy that, to be honest. Thanks to low black turnout, places that are black run tend to be overwhelmingly black, poor, ugly, and high-crime, and that, I suspect, is what blacks are trying to get away from. Viz. Detroit, parts of St. Louis, Gary IN, Newark NJ. Blacks aren’t trying to get away from ALL Black-run places (Atlanta, Massachusetts).

    In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco).

    Well, if they’re moving back to the South, it’s a fraction of all those who moved away in the great migration. And they moved away for quite a few reasons; here’s one of the more trivial, but still worth remembering.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

    Was southern leadership in the Jim Crow era conservative? I would say so, even if they were all Democrats. But blacks moved away from them anyway.

    It’s a lot better to be black in the south than it used to be, and that was where virtually all blacks lived before the migration, so it’s not surprising that they are moving back now. I think it has very little to do with the political tenor of the leadership, any more than it did when millions of whites began heading south a couple of generations ago.

    Surely blacks are moving out of SF because they’re getting priced out, not because of anyone’s politics.

  63. Anon87 says:

    @Anonymous

    Lesson = don’t come towards cops with a blade drawn.

    Although I’m mostly disturbed by the amount of rounds expended. If you are trained to use a gun, you shouldn’t need 10 rounds to drop a slowly moving individual 10-20 feet away. I’m not concerned about the number that entered the assailant, I’m nervous about strays hitting an innocent person. It seems when cops do need to fire it’s panicky spray and pray. Maybe all those millions of rounds the government have been purchasing is for more training? Wishful thinking I imagine.

  64. Anon87 says:

    On topic of crime and race: Race-based hate crimes spike in D.C.

    D.C. police say that of the 18 race-based hate crimes in 2013, the majority of victims were white and the majority of suspects black. The number of incidents was up from the 13 race-based bias crimes reported in 2012.

    How is this being published in a major newspaper? Fact based accounting of race and crime statistics? Could they be putting the pieces together about the “War on Whites”?

    The low level of reported race-based hate crimes, including the small number in which minorities were victims, could be a sign that minority victims are reluctant to report crimes, said David C. Friedman, director of the D.C. regional office of the Anti-Defamation League.

    Just kidding! The increase in black on white crime is only a sign of under reported white on black crime. Laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

  65. peterike2 says:

    @Art Deco

    Again, federal subsidies account for about 5% of final sales in rental housing. You’re not likely to find many loci with intense concentrations of beneficiaries.

    And I suppose that 5% is perfectly evenly distributed, like gas molecules? Or could it be that federal housing gets concentrated in certain areas? Certain towns? Certain housing developments?

    It only takes a drop of black paint to ruin the bucket of white paint. One housing development can destroy a school, ruin a neighborhood.

  66. “In general, blacks follow around conservative white leadership (e.g., blacks have been net moving to the Republican-run Southern states), and flee liberal white leadership (e.g., San Francisco)”

    Not to mention Portland and Seattle. Maybe that’s why the birthplace of modern hipster whitopias are in the Pac Northwest.

    WA is a heavily unionized (mostly private sector ones) state. It’s fairly prosperous and for all its loony bin leftism doesn’t have a state income tax.

    Must be doing something right.

    OK. Quick thought. Remember back a while about how SoCal and NoCal building permits and other restrictive regulations prevent home owners from building on their own property?

    Wonder if tons are starting to move to OR and WA because those two states allow for more building and fewer regulations to build on one’s own land??

  67. Jefferson says:

    “Re Ferguson: a crowd funding campaign for Darren Wilson has raised $150k from nearly 4,000 donors in 3 days:”

    Per capita, I wonder which state has the highest percentage of donors who donated money to Darren Wilson ?

  68. Jefferson says:

    “And I suppose that 5% is perfectly evenly distributed, like gas molecules? Or could it be that federal housing gets concentrated in certain areas? Certain towns? Certain housing developments?

    It only takes a drop of black paint to ruin the bucket of white paint. One housing development can destroy a school, ruin a neighborhood.”

    Antioch which is a suburb of Oakland, California saw a drastic increase in crime because Section 8 Housing there is drawing in lots of the Black underclass from Oakland.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/us/09housing.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_21992680/antioch-sees-45-percent-increase-crime-rate-17

    Section 8 federal housing voucher program is one of the worst things the American government has ever created. Antioch is 17 percent Black, but that 17 percent Black demographic is causing the city a lot of headaches.

  69. @AnAnon

    One way they could get around that technicality and that’s to outsource (e.g. jobs, factories, etc).

    Oh, wait, they already outsource, don’t they? So one hand they outsource jobs and factories and on the other Unc Sammy subsides them to keep some of their operations inside Detroit.

    Money and profits by whatever means necessary.

    Best of both worlds.

  70. @Bill P

    WA is a heavily unionized state, it protects its workers. It also doesn’t appear to have a very high black population statewide.

    But that was a funny first line about how the men go where they can find jobs, even though nearly a third are chronically unemployed and more are unemployable since they don’t tend to have the necessarily credentials (e.g. education about a sixth grade level, etc.).

    OOPS

  71. Off topic, but since the public is understandably weary of getting involved in another Middle East land war, but ISIS is pretty terrifying and Western jihadists going there are likely to bring trouble back with them, this might be a prudent time to think about restricting Muslim immigration and to stop coddling them as “profiling” victims.

  72. Brutusale says:

    @keypusher

    Massachusetts “black-run”?! Because they elected Obama’s even less manly Mini Me, Deval “Squeaky Toy” Patrick?

    Massachusetts is 8% black. Patrick and Ed Brooke (High Yella former GOP senator who also banged Barbara Walters…back to that pesky black/Jewish thing) are the only blacks elected to statewide office in the last 100 years. Out of 200 members of the state legislature, 8 are black or Hispanic. There are TWO black mayors of Massachusetts’ 357 cities and towns, Cambridge, where a black woman just replaced the long-time incumbent, a gay black guy, in the Julian Castro-like ceremonial position, and the 35% Jewish city of Newton, where Setti Warren was just elected to a 2nd term after failing miserably in a quixotic run for the Senate.

    Blacks are seldom elected here. Get outside areas full of Semitic hausfraus, and they aren’t elected at all.

  73. Anonymous says:

    @The Z Blog

    Jews don’t love blacks. They are a tool in the Jewish toolbox to advance perceived Jewish interests. Nothing more.

  74. Bobbala says:

    @Anon66

    … and Zimbabweans are zillionaires … starving zillionaires!

  75. Jefferson says:

    Michael Brown went to a high school called Normandy which is located in Wellston, Missouri a whopping 95 percent Black town.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/michael-brown-high-school_n_5682852.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellston,_Missouri#2010_census

    Since Wellston is 95 percent Black, the high school there must be 100 percent Black or at least 99 percent Black.

    The racial demographics of a public school in a major urban area is usually Blacker than the racial demographics of the general population as a whole.

    Detroit’s public schools for example are even Blacker than Detroit’s general population. New Orleans public schools are even Blacker than New Orleans general population.

  76. Anonitron says:

    “ISIS is pretty terrifying”

    Yes, horrifying. The militia force that can barely project control over the heavily Sunni parts of Iraq and Syria poses a major threat to my personal safety.

  77. slumber_j says:

    Somewhat OT, vintage Tonight Show HBD,

    Don Rickles, to Sinatra: “I am a Jew and you’re an Italian. And here we have [gestures to Carson]…WHAT?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_V9RT8aR8

  78. Jefferson says:

    I notice that Eric Holder has lighter skin than the most of the Black protestors in Ferguson, Missouri. I wonder if colorism and class are closely related in the African American community meaning the Black underclass is overwhelmingly very dark skin while there is a higher percentage of light skin Blacks among the professional white collar middle and upper class segment of the African American community.

  79. . . . this might be a prudent time to think about restricting Muslim immigration and to stop coddling them as “profiling” victims.

    Oh, heaven forfend! The British fear that there may be as many as 2,000 of their fellow citizens (if I may be permitted a little sarcasm) currently fighting as part of ISIS who may return to the UK and commit terrorism there with their new and improved skills. What to do about it? NOTHING can be done. You can’t consider stopping returning jihadis at your border–that would be profiling!

  80. In Sweden they are worried about a rise in penis problems:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/swedish-doctors-cannot-explain-rise-in-hypospadias-penis-birth-defect-9684241.html

    Hmmmm, did they consider the amount of cousin marriage among immigrants?

  81. Jefferson says:

    “Oh, heaven forfend! The British fear that there may be as many as 2,000 of their fellow citizens (if I may be permitted a little sarcasm)”

    I wonder how many of the so-called “British” citizens who join ISIS have Anglo Saxon last names and not MENA/South Asian last names.

  82. anonymous says:

    About British Muslims fighting for ISIS, here’s a news story claiming twice as many British Muslims are fighting for IS as are in the British Army:

    “…at least 1,500 young British Muslims have been recruited by extremists fighting in Iraq and Syria…

    …there are only around 600 British Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces.”

    Probably says something about the UK and diversity, but I’ll have to think about it.

  83. TomB says:

    @Anon87

    wrote:

    I’m mostly disturbed by the amount of rounds expended. If you are trained to use a gun, you shouldn’t need 10 rounds to drop a slowly moving individual 10-20 feet away. I’m not concerned about the number that entered the assailant, I’m nervous about strays hitting an innocent person. It seems when cops do need to fire it’s panicky spray and pray.

    A.) Perhaps it’s just me but I see that spray and pray phenomenon very infrequently.

    B.) You’ve got to remember this cop was no doubt dealing with some significantly compromised vision due to his fractured eye socket alone, not to mention just having had his whole head just apparently being battered around.

    C.) Moreover, for all we know while it probably wasn’t taught that way to this cop the shots to the arms of Brown were still an attempt to just wound him and not kill him. After all, the cop might well have been thinking, “all this is about started with a jaywalking and then a lousy shoplifting stop; I don’t wanna be killing nobody.”

    D.) There’s just a tremendous lack of general understanding by the public of the intricacies and effects of guns. Including the effects on large mammals, with people particularly believing that if same are hit solid anywhere in the main body—no matter also almost the type and size of firearm used and absolutely no matter the kind of bullet used—you are going to see that large mammal just drop instantly.

    For one, handguns, almost no matter their caliber, deliver far less foot-pounds of energy than long rifles to. Far far less.

    For two, handguns are far far more difficult to accurately shoot.

    For three, the kind of bullets used matters greatly, with me doubting that the cop here was using what are called “hollow point” ammo even though same would indeed provide—by far—the most stopping power. (With such ammo also being called “dum dum” rounds which got them banned for military use specifically because of the horrific big wounds they make.) Indeed the cop here may even have been using what are called “frangible” rounds which are designed to not cause such massive tissue damage but also to disintegrate on hitting pavement or etc. so as to reduce by-stander hits and etc. Otherwise he was probably using just fully jacketed (“armor piercing”) bullets that are just designed to leave as little a hole as possible and which accordingly provide the least stopping power.

    For four, outside perhaps something like a close shotgun blast to the chest totally and instantly destroying the heart, there is no shot other than to the very upper portion and indeed then the middle of the head (i.e., the brain) or a lucky one severing the brainstem or spine, that can with any reliability at all be counted on stopping and dropping a large mammal cold in its tracks. I have seen animals shot directly through the heart still cover some prodigious-under-the-circumstances distances. But of course in self-defense shooting (and indeed even for most sport shooting for big mammals, no-one is taught to aim for anything as small as the brain much less the brain-stem or spine. Instead it’s “center of mass” as best you can.

    There have even been many instances of charging large mammals such as bears and lions and buffalo being indeed shot right through the heart at close range and by powerful long guns and even with hollow-point ammunition that still managed to complete their charges and maul and even kill their shooters.

    There really is almost no such thing as “instantaneous death” for any large mammal. A very very rare thing. To the point of being freakish.

    Really is unfortunate that Tasers are so unreliable.

  84. @Peter

    Right, over the decades a lot of respectable black people have moved to Ferguson, but now the national establishment wants to blow it up just because of the logic of their mythos.

  85. anonymous says:

    About the story “Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing – and some experts argue it’s because humans have reached their intellectual peak”, Mail Online, Sarah Griffiths, 21-Aug-2014…

    There is an interesting chart, “World IQ Over Time”, that extrapolates IQ from 1950 to 2110.

    In 1950 they estimate about 91.6. In 2014, around 88. In 2110, 84. That seems a pretty small range for what’s surly pretty rough data, but still. (And yeah, it looks just like a simple straight line, so who really knows beyond 2014.)

    “Evidence suggests that the IQs of people in the UK, Denmark and Australia have declined in the last decade.

    Opinion is divided as to whether the trend is long-term…

    …some experts believe we are starting to see the end of the Flynn effect in developed countries – and that IQ scores are not just levelling out, but declining.”

    Stories like this don’t seem to have too much problem mentioning a potential genetic basis for intelligence:

    “…Some believe the Flynn effect has masked a decline in the genetic basis for intelligence…

    …a psychology professor… says Westerners have lost an average of 14 IQ points since the Victoria Era. ….thinks this could be because intelligent women tend to have less children than women who are not as clever…

    …performance dropped the most dramatically in teenagers in the upper half of the intelligence scale…”

  86. Anonymous says:

    Getting off-topic, wow, a Brazilian just won the Fields Medal. I guess it’s much easier to make high-tier achievements in mathmatics, which is purely abstract and requires only a mind and a pieve of paper to put down your ideas, than fields such as physics and chemistry that requires advanced scientific infra-structure . He gave an interview to the Brazilian magazine “Istoé”, and when asked when Brazil will win the next Fields Medal, he replied half sarcastically that:

    “Brazilians should furst learn how to count, then maybe concern themselves with things such as winning Fields Medals.”

    On a more serious note, he added:

    “No, honestly, things like arithmatics are the basis of everything else, and far more important for you to get by in life than differential geometry or topology. And focus on precision and concision in writing. Most people write terribly, because they use long sentences. Most people do not have the ability to remain coherent when writing long sentences. They do not have the ability to structure logically many thoughts and make them flow. Teach children to be straightforward. Less commas and more periods. Very few people can writ paragraph-long sentences like Garcia Marquez and not get confused.”

    “The entire focus of education should be thus: learning basic grammar and synthatic concision, and arithmatic. All other subjects should be optional. Kids should focus on only that for 10 years. ”

    When asked if they can expect lots of Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals from Brazil and other Latin American countries, he replied:

    “Doubtful. Advanced countries have a way of monopolizing all financial and human capital for their benefit. Success breeds success, and failure breeds failure. They have more money, more scientific infra-structure, more supporting infra-structure that fosters scientific and technological growth, and even nicer working environments courtesy of lower rates of violence and social unrest, which further attracts valuable human capital for their societies. This human capital leaves further impovereshing the poor country, creating a vicious cycle that is very difficult to break free from. They will siphon whatever human capital poor countries have for their own benefit. It is not a fair fight for poor countries. It really isn’t.”

  87. Lurker says:

    @Admiral Obvious

    this might be a prudent time to think about restricting Muslim immigration and to stop coddling them as “profiling” victims.

    Nooo! Because then the ‘extremists’ will have won! Don’t you care about our precious freedom and tolerance? ;-)

  88. Anonymous says:

    @pizza with stork brains

    The most depressing part is the rationalisation by the victims.

  89. D. K. says:

    @Jefferson

    Cf. Julian Bond and Garrett Morris on “Saturday Night Live” (4/9/77): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QEIaATPis

  90. Friscokid says:

    @unz says don’t change your name

    Median home price in San Francisco is a million dollars. Most blacks can’t afford to establish new households in SF outside of public housing. In fact most white ethnic types are long gone

  91. @Vox explanatory journalism

    Hey, Non-Explanatory “Journalist,” you might try some tutoring in remedial history. Counties do not ratify amendments, it is done by state legislatures. also, lacking time machines, the legislatures cannot do a ratification before the states are admitted to the union. 13th amendment, 1868. Arizona admitted 1912, Alaska 1959. you must spend more time reading, less time felching Sharpton and Obama.

  92. Mr. Anon says:

    “TomB says

    For three, the kind of bullets used matters greatly, with me doubting that the cop here was using what are called “hollow point” ammo even though same would indeed provide—by far—the most stopping power. ”

    No, he was most likely using hollow-points. Those are the standard defensive rounds used by most shooters.

  93. Mr. Anon says:

    “peterike2 says:

    @Art Deco

    “”Again, federal subsidies account for about 5% of final sales in rental housing. You’re not likely to find many loci with intense concentrations of beneficiaries.””

    And I suppose that 5% is perfectly evenly distributed, like gas molecules? Or could it be that federal housing gets concentrated in certain areas? Certain towns? Certain housing developments?”

    Yes, that rather obvious fact is lost on Art Deco, whose whole schtick appears to be passing off empty, sweeping assertions as if they were self-evident truths. Probably less than 5% of the population of Liberia has Ebola. So would Art Deco be cool with being plopped down at any random location there?

  94. Mr. Anon says:

    “Ted says:

    I don’t think anyone has said that segregation was the problem in Ferguson. The problem is a nearly all-white, out-of-control police force, one of whose members recently murdered an unarmed 18 year old.”

    A bald-faced lie. The evidence mounts that the shooting was entirely justifiable. It was certainly not “murder”.

    “I understand that racists won’t be bothered by this since they believe that all black people are thugs and deserve to be shot down. But decent Americans feel differently.”

    And who appointed you as the decider of who is, and who isn’t, a “decent American”. Most of the Americans I know – all of them decent – are simply fed up with the antics of blacks. We don’t care anymore about them and their endless problems. Their problems are their problems, not ours.

    “Yes, from a white perspective it would be great if the black citizens of Furgeson were as well educated as their white counterparts but that doesn’t exist in America… Same with jobs… And access to justice… Or credit… Or, or…”

    No, it would be great if they just stopped robbing, raping, and murdering quite so much.

    Succintly, Ted: if you are black, I don’t care what you think. If you are white, then you are a stupid and deluded fool.

  95. I don’t think anyone has said that segregation was the problem in Ferguson. The problem is a nearly all-white, out-of-control police force, one of whose members recently murdered an unarmed 18 year old.

    Is this supposed to be an intelligent comment? If so, why are you stating that the police “murdered” Michael Brown. As far as I can tell, the case is unresolved, and the plausible scenarios range from culpable homicide at one extreme to justified self-defense at the other.

    It’s like you instinctively reach for the most inflammatory thing to say, and I bet you feel a kind of pride in doing so, as if this demonstrates your courage and intelligence. The word for commenters like you is “useless”.

  96. Anon87 says:

    @TomB

    My comment was in response to the OTHER police shooting video posting in 8. I understand the confusion, since it’s been Ferguson 24/7. I really don’t have a problem with the Ferguson incident, since if that size a man was charging me I can’t imagine anything less than a low probability head shot would stop him. I assume (?) 9 mm rounds are the standard for police.

  97. Cookies says:

    @Ted

    “I understand that racists won’t be bothered by this since they believe that all black people are thugs and deserve to be shot down.”

    Not all black people Ted. Just black males 15-24 who look and act a certain way. They are 60 times more likely than any other kind of person to commit homicide, OK, homie?

    Now the reasons for that may be bit more complex than Sailer & gang allow, but it’s a fact, and the cops have to deal with this on a day to day basis. So do I. I just tend to absent myself from situations where black males 15-24 years old hang around. Does this make me a racist? I guess it does, along with ageist, and sexist.

    What do you do for a living, homie?

  98. keypusher says:

    @Brutusale

    OK, then let’s agree on a definition of black-run so we can talk. If it means a majority of elected officials at all levels have to be black, then you’re pretty much limited to cities with large-majority black populations. (No state is black-run under that definition.)

    All of which would bring us back to the point that people who move away from Detroit, Gary, or Newark may have things to move away from besides the leadership.

    Would you agree that Atlanta is black-run under that definition? Blacks aren’t moving away from Atlanta, are they?

  99. AnAnon says:

    @anonymous

    Astonishing that they can ignore the elephant in the room, but then they are paid to do so.

  100. Peter says:Website

    outside perhaps something like a close shotgun blast to the chest totally and instantly destroying the heart, there is no shot other than to the very upper portion and indeed then the middle of the head (i.e., the brain) or a lucky one severing the brainstem or spine, that can with any reliability at all be counted on stopping and dropping a large mammal cold in its tracks

    For example, Tyke the circus elephant, who 20 years ago yesterday went on a rampage* at a performance in Honolulu, resulting in the death of its trainer and injuries to several other people. An investigation showed that the animal had been shot 88 times by the police before it finally collapsed. Even then it didn’t die, and had to be finished off with a high-powered rifle borrowed from a gun store.

    * = after many years of mistreatment. PETA is actually right about some things.

  101. Art Deco says:Website

    @Mr. Anon

    When your reading comprehension problem subsides, you might be able to understand my original remark.

    As for Ebola, a population in the lower four digits has been infected in and among a complex of provinces in Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea which have a population of about 8 million. You’re going to need a 200-fold increase in the severity of the problem before you arrive at a 5% infection rate.

  102. Art Deco says:Website

    @peterike2

    It only takes a drop of black paint to ruin the bucket of white paint. One housing development can destroy a school, ruin a neighborhood.

    Uh huh. Whether or not Ferguson has many Section 8 voucher holders, it has not, over the last 15 years, had abnormal trouble with crime-in-general or with violent crime. Neither have crime rates been on an upward trajactory. There are a great many burglaries and auto thefts in Ferguson. That is their problem.

    It only takes a drop of black paint to ruin the bucket of white paint.

    I don’t imagine they’d want you as a neighbor, either. Come to think of, neither would I.

  103. Svigor says:

    I don’t think anyone has said that segregation was the problem in Ferguson. The problem is a nearly all-white, out-of-control police force, one of whose members recently murdered an unarmed 18 year old.

    Amusing as ever, Ted. Seriously – no sarcasm at all – I’m laughing right now.

    But, let’s say you’re right. As Jefferson has pointed out, SEGREGATION IS THE ONLY ANSWER!

    SEGREGATION SAVES BLACK LIVES! We should section off a large chunk of America for whites only. Then all the horrible racists who hate blacks will move there, to be separated far away from the blacks they can’t help but oppress.

    And here’s the beauty, Ted: the bigger the problem of white racism in America, the bigger that chunk of real estate should be. Ain’t that a kick in the pants?

    I understand that racists won’t be bothered by this since they believe that all black people are thugs and deserve to be shot down. But decent Americans feel differently.

    I just gave you the solution, Ted. An all-white living space for the horrible, oppressive white racists. If you don’t like my solution, Ted, then I submit that it is you – or rather, “anti-racist” libs and lefties – who would seem to like seeing blacks shot down by whites.

    What you don’t do is ask why things are as they are and this is where it becomes very complex with a history in out country not so pretty and things that have been done to black folks not adequately “repaired”… 250 years of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and then discrimination ever since Jim Crow… Not that Jim is dead and gone…

    I gave you the solution, Ted. Jefferson gave you the solution. Not bad for a couple of racists, eh? Not our fault if you hate blacks so much that you want to continue to see them murdered in cold blood by whites.

    Yes, from a white perspective it would be great if the black citizens of Furgeson were as well educated as their white counterparts but that doesn’t exist in America… Same with jobs… And access to justice… Or credit… Or, or…

    It’s complex that will take a nation motivated to fix to fix it or we will be revisiting this in 50 or 100 years.

    And meanwhile, blacks will be shot down in the streets in cold blood by evil white racists the whole time. Your solution is a horrible idea, Ted. Our idea is much, much better. We can solve the problem in 5 years, tops. And that would just be due to gov’t red tape. We could solve the issue in a year if you’d let us.

    WHY DO YOU WANT TO SEE NOBLE, INNOCENT BLACKS GUNNED DOWN BY WHITE RACISTS FOR THE NEXT 50-100 YEARS, TED?

    he will drop the investigation just like he did the Trayvon Martin case.

    The impression I got from The Conservative Treehouse, from posters still following the Zimmerman case, was that the DOJ is still investigating Sanford PD.

    the major automakers had to stay in the city if they wanted federal support. They were not allowed to leave.

    I always wondered why they stayed. Guess I should’ve known.

    “Police militarization” has nothing to do with that’s going on in Ferguson. Why do people keep trying to tie the two together?

    I’ll just point out that I’d bet dollars to donuts that Harold Covington approves of all that surplus military equipment going to local police forces. I bet if ISIS was in town, they’d approve, too.

    I think it speaks volumes about the left that they would describe the legal exercise of one’s constitutional rights as white flight. Only a lefty would consider the exercise of a constitutional right a problem. The heart of the matter is that whites are practicing their constitutional right to associate, and the left doesn’t like it. The right to associate is right up there with the right to bear arms on list of rights the left would like to revoke.

    Unfortunately, the right to free association is not explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. It’s obviously covered in the clause that reserves everything not mentioned to the States, but that hardly matters any more.

    which I call crime generators

    I just had a killer idea for a strategy game. It starts out like Sim City, except you have to deal with all the federal BS, and demographic and racial reality are built into the sim. If you have your police force run out the NAMs, the feds send armored columns into your city to restore disorder. But what to call it? Real City?

    How is this being published in a major newspaper?

    The Washington Times is easily the most conservative major newspaper in America (that I’m aware of). I’d bet the second-most is a distant one.

    Just kidding! The increase in black on white crime is only a sign of under reported white on black crime. Laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

    As I pointed out in the comments to the article, I was disappointed that the WT couldn’t find a white person to refute the reflexive, leftist, pro-NAM apologia it got from the Jewish guy. Is it really so hard to imagine whites under-reporting hate crimes out of misplaced white guilt, or despair of ever receiving justice in Eric “hate crime laws don’t protect whites” Holder’s America?

    Don Rickles, to Sinatra: “I am a Jew and you’re an Italian. And here we have [gestures to Carson]…WHAT?”

    Carson should have replied, “the landlord.”

    With such ammo also being called “dum dum” rounds which got them banned for military use specifically because of the horrific big wounds they make.

    Geneva convention bans them, IIUC, not the military. That’s why cops use them as standard (even getting better hot stuff ammo than available to civilians), but the military doesn’t. The military would probably switch in a heartbeat. Ball ammo is generally considered to be for target practice and non-defense uses.

    Btw, I was under the impression that hollow point (and similar) ammo and “dum dums” are two different things.

    I assume (?) 9 mm rounds are the standard for police.

    There is no standard, per se, but 9mm is probably the most popular. It’s certainly the most popular self-defense pistol caliber world-wide. US police also use a lot of .40 and 10mm.

  104. @Art Deco

    As for Ebola, a population in the lower four digits has been infected in and among a complex of provinces in Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea which have a population of about 8 million.

    And yet, the WHO admits that the numbers are underestimates. Are they only aware of 25% of the cases so far, or is it only 10%? Who knows.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/22/us-health-ebola-who-idUSKBN0GM0RW20140822

  105. athEIst says:

    @Vox explanatory journalism

    Counties do not ratify Amendments, states do. Missouri ratified the 13th amendment Feb 6 1895.

  106. athEIst says:

    @Jack

    If you had ever seen north St. Louis, you would know it wasn’t gentrification that forced blacks out to north St. Louis county. Northern St. Louis is more or less depopulated: St. Louis population 1960 865,000 population 2010 349,000.

  107. Jefferson says:

    A woman was in Ferguson to openly support the police officer and the Bantu crowd was shouting death threats at her as well as hurling racial slurs at her. Law enforcement had to get her out of there or else the Bantu mob would have most likely killed her or at least put her in a coma like that White man in Detroit.

    “Peaceful protestors” my a@@. A peaceful protest where the crowd is overwhelmingly Black is an oxymoron.

  108. Jay Fink says:

    In 1974 my parents were selling our house in the Milwaukee suburb of Fox Point. When the neighborhood saw a black man looking at the house people got very angry. In fact, my parents received death threats. When they discovered it was one of the Milwaukee Bucks basketball players they all changed their mind and were excited about him being a neighbor (he never bought the house because the basement ceiling was too low for him). I havent been back there in ages but would imagine not too many blacks live in Fox Point to this day.

  109. iSteveFan says:

    Unfortunately, the right to free association is not explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. It’s obviously covered in the clause that reserves everything not mentioned to the States, but that hardly matters any more.

    Actually the right of association is considered embedded in the 1st amendment with the right to assemble clause. Like the separation of Church and State, which is not specifically mentioned, the right of association is considered to be implied in the Constitution’s 1st amendment. The lovely irony of this is that it was a Supreme Court decision ruling in favor of the NAACP that established this right was part of the 1st amendment.

  110. Kevin V. says:

    “What you don’t do is ask why things are as they are and this is where it becomes very complex with a history in out country not so pretty and things that have been done to black folks not adequately “repaired”… 250 years of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and then discrimination ever since Jim Crow… Not that Jim is dead and gone…”

    -What we don’t do is ask why the history of the US has been suppressed, cherry picked and distorted so much from the truth to try to support the idea of it being some kind of Auschwitz death camp to blacks when it in fact has been very generous and kind to blacks, far more so than blacks are to each other in their own countries. We don’t ask why blacks who have every advantage in the world still manage to screw it up and do poorly. Hint: Its not from being treated worse by whites, the government, the schools or the media.

    Jim Crow is dead and gone, and likely was never like anything the media or schools depicted it to be. Of course, even those who wish to bring up his ghost are stretching credulity to claim that blacks today are being suppressed horribly by the the fact that their great great great grandfather may or may not have had a hard time getting a job. OTOH, I have been passed over for jobs for less qualified minorities. Twice for certain, since I knew who got the jobs, and likely more often. It also nearly certain that my college admission offers as well as the financial aid decisions were negatively impacted by the fact that I was white. In college, I was told lie after lie about all the “privilege” I have by professors who also spouted off lies about my ancestors and my country; meanwhile the black students are often getting a free ride, are having their hands held through more classes by professors and by free tutors when not taking easy classes (but will have little problem getting a job when they get out because an educated black is in high demand to fill diversity quotas and avoid disparate impact suits), and even though blacks were a small portion of the college students, the black student union got more than half the student organization funds that the university collects from students. Every time I turn on the TV or see a movie, I see white men depicted as losers, burglars, failures and black men as noble wise angels when the truth is probably closer to the opposite. And lets not forget, the government increasingly is hostile to me and mine.

    Blacks benefit enormously from benevolent white paternalism, even many of them know it. Its largely the brainwashed white liberals who fail to see what is going on.

  111. @Svigor

    Geneva convention bans them, IIUC, not the military. That’s why cops use them as standard (even getting better hot stuff ammo than available to civilians), but the military doesn’t. The military would probably switch in a heartbeat.

    Sometimes you spout some ignorant stuff.

    While HollowPoint ammo was banned for warfare by the Hague Convention they are also not useful in war because their function is to provide a higher probability of incapacitating and likely killing combatants. A dead enemy soldier is not much drag on your enemy, while a wounded enemy soldier must be looked after, which creates a larger economic effect on the enemy.

    The cops use hollow point rounds, however, because:

    1. Less chance of a through and through and thus injuring someone other than the intended target.

    2. More likely to put a violent person down quickly.

  112. Svigor says:

    Sometimes you spout some ignorant stuff.

    Hague convention, Geneva convention, sue me already. It wasn’t the military brass.

    they are also not useful in war because their function is to provide a higher probability of incapacitating and likely killing combatants. A dead enemy soldier is not much drag on your enemy, while a wounded enemy soldier must be looked after, which creates a larger economic effect on the enemy.

    The wounded enemy is better than a dead enemy is one school of thought. I’m not aware if it’s current military doctrine. I find it a bit silly, especially these days – as if ISIS and Al Qaeda are really going to go all gooey and combat ineffective and wait for their non- or barely-existent medical corps to arrive. If I had to guess, your typical Afghan fighter leaves his wounded fellows where they lay until the fight’s over. I doubt they are as worried as we are about nursing gravely-wounded fighters back to health, either. Euthanasia’s probably a lot more common in their ranks. Or rather, acceptance of their medical limitations is probably pretty common – they drag the wounded guy home and he dies in bed, no medical expenses involved.

    I think a dead enemy, who you don’t have to worry about, is probably the best enemy. Wounded enemies can still fire prone, use grenades or IEDs, observe and call out info, etc. Or at least, they can’t be trusted not to do these things. I’ve certainly read posts from vets who think along these lines.

  113. Svigor says:

    Actually the right of association is considered embedded in the 1st amendment with the right to assemble clause. Like the separation of Church and State, which is not specifically mentioned, the right of association is considered to be implied in the Constitution’s 1st amendment. The lovely irony of this is that it was a Supreme Court decision ruling in favor of the NAACP that established this right was part of the 1st amendment.

    IANAL, and I’m not a particularly well-read amateur, either. But what little I’ve read on the history involved (I did do a bit) doesn’t bear that out. The right to assemble is quite different from the right to associate freely as constructed by WNs and libertarians who think X has the right to refuse service to, refuse to sell to, refuse to hire, refuse to continue to employ, etc., Y, with any values for X or Y you care to use. That’s what I think of when I think of the right to free association, and there’s really no historical precedent for this right, at least not explicitly. The right to assemble is something different; essentially, it’s about forbidding the gov’t from preventing people from meeting to discuss politics and the like.

    I’d love to be wrong. And I’d appreciate it if you gave me something more specific to start researching with (just going by what you gave me with “Supreme Court decision” and “NAACP,” I’m guessing that it only applies to organizations, not across the board socially, but that’s just a guess).

  114. Epicuria says:Website

    @Ted

    White man’s burden just doesn’t cut it anymore. We have to find a way to motivate black male teenagers to get some learnin’ . Though the ACLU will never approve of it, we should be able to offer a choice of doing time or accepting one of the new technologies and/or drugs that improve the brain and stimulate motivation.

  115. Lurker says:

    @Svigor

    The wounded enemy is better than a dead enemy is one school of thought. I’m not aware if it’s current military doctrine.

    It seems more appropriate to a protracted WW1/WW2 type conflict rather than the scrappy fights we are seeing today.

    It does seem to be the case eg using 5.56 rather than 7.62 infantry weapons, wounding more than killing. Most (all?) western armies now use 5.56mm NATO ammo.

    Except that I suspect most enemy KIA are being killed by bombs, rockets, artillery, mortars anyway. And if a gunship flies over and hoses them down with 25mm then it cant be to maximise wounds rather than kills.

    It seems a bit unfair that the regular infantry are the ones carrying the burden and risk of this wound-not-kill concept. I assume the troops would much rather shoot to kill for their own self-preservation rather than following some cunning strategy thats supposed to bleed the enemy.

    I think a dead enemy, who you don’t have to worry about, is probably the best enemy. Wounded enemies can still fire prone, use grenades or IEDs, observe and call out info, etc. Or at least, they can’t be trusted not to do these things. I’ve certainly read posts from vets who think along these lines.

    Agreed.

    And, if anything its the irregular enemy who are successfully employing the wound-not-kill strategy via IEDs than western forces.

  116. Lurker says:

    @Art Deco

    Whether or not Ferguson has many Section 8 voucher holders, it has not, over the last 15 years, had abnormal trouble with crime-in-general or with violent crime.

    But thats all going to change, whites will be packing their bags a lot quicker now.

  117. Lurker says:

    I’m still wondering about the white protestor in Ferguson who was shot last weekend. He wasnt shot by the police, so who did it?

    It would be fascinating to know ,because: The Narrative. Given that he is presumably a DWL there to protect peace loving blacks from the violent, racist police.

    But it’s gone right down the memory hole, the media seem to have absolutely no desire to investigate further, which kind of answers my question.

  118. Mr. Anon says:

    “Art Deco says:

    @Mr. Anon

    When your reading comprehension problem subsides, you might be able to understand my original remark.

    I understand what you are saying. I disagree with it.

    “As for Ebola, a population in the lower four digits has been infected in and among a complex of provinces in Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea which have a population of about 8 million. You’re going to need a 200-fold increase in the severity of the problem before you arrive at a 5% infection rate.”:

    I said less than 5% – less than. Now, who was it that has a reading comprehension problem?

    So it’s very much less than 5%, that makes my point even more. Are you planning a trip there anytime soon? Would you ever under even current circumstances?

    Perhaps you and Matt can form a study group to propound the notion that the welfare state does not exacerbate the problem of white-on-black crime. As for the rest of us – we are not deluded idiots, as both of you seem to be.

  119. TomB says:

    As regards some of the ammo talk and my post somewhat starting same fairness requires me to note that a bit of research reveals that I was probably wrong guessing that the Ferguson cop was not using hollow-point bullets. While they are the standard civilian self-defense round used for their stopping power and less tendency to hold themselves together after hitting someone or something and thereby continue on and cause by-stander damage, my guess was that most police departments had banned them just like the militaries are banned from using them. But and again that seems not to be the case. Apparently their increased stopping power and frangibility has overridden the more humanitarian concerns about their use that led them to be banned by the Geneva and other conventions on war.

    As regards the preference over “wounding” versus “killing” in combat my sense is that most definitely it’s felt that wounding is preferable overall: Wound one and it takes two others in general to care for same or try to cart them away or etc. That was absolutely clearly the case back in the U.S. military in the 1960′s at least when the resistance to switching to the lighter calibers finally collapsed. Thus I know the greater propensity to tumble of the .223 round either en-route or after hitting a body introduced by the Armalite/M-16 type weapons and thereby create much more severe wounds than the heavy .30 caliber rounds used in previous standard U.S. military rifles was very much touted as one of their strong points.

    And of course the much smaller than .30 caliber ammo is *still* the standard U.S. military rifle caliber, so suggesting to me that thinking hasn’t changed much in this regard.

  120. Art Deco says:Website

    @Mr. Anon

    I understand what you are saying.

    No. You. Don’t.

  121. Mr. Anon says:

    “Art Deco says:

    @Mr. Anon

    “”I understand what you are saying.””

    No. You. Don’t.”

    Yes, I indeed do. Don’t delude yourself into imagining that what you wrote was subtle or especially clever. It wasn’t. It was obvious and obviously wrong. I could read the same at Slate. Perhaps you should write for them.

  122. Svigor says:

    It seems more appropriate to a protracted WW1/WW2 type conflict rather than the scrappy fights we are seeing today.

    My thinking exactly. It’s for when you have a military like ours that treats its wounded the way we treat ours. Not for 4G conflicts with guerrilla forces.

    And, if anything its the irregular enemy who are successfully employing the wound-not-kill strategy via IEDs than western forces.

    Yeah, good point, the other side is probably better served by using that strategy.

    That was absolutely clearly the case back in the U.S. military in the 1960′s at least when the resistance to switching to the lighter calibers finally collapsed.

    There’s more to going with a lighter round than the wound vs. kill debate. The fact is that you want to use the lightest round that will do the job, because the lighter a round is, the more of it you can carry, and the lighter the weapons used to fire it (lighter weapons are both easier to carry (more capacity left over for ammo) and easier to deploy). 5.56 is a lot lighter than 7.62. 5.56 is around 37.2 rounds per pound, or 100 rounds for 2.7 lbs. 7.62 is around 27.5 rounds per pound, or 100 rounds for 3.6 lbs. 5.56 is about a 33% weight savings over 7.62, so you can carry about 33% more 5.56 than 7.62. Is 7.62 33% more effective at killing people (especially at typical engagement ranges)? I doubt it.

  123. Svigor says:

    Then there’s recoil, which is substantially lower in 5.56. The lower the recoil, the more quickly and easily a shooter can acquire the next target, and the easier it is to control burst and automatic fire (though lighter weapons do tend to make this a wash, but this brings up the subject of shooter fatigue and weapon weight).

  124. Svigor says:

    According to Wikipedia, an M4 weighs 7.5 lbs with a loaded 30 round magazine, and an AK-47 (7.62) weighs 9.75 lbs with a loaded 30 round magazine.

    Let’s say you want weapon + ammo load to be 20 lbs. The AK guy gets his AK and 313 rounds. The M4 guy gets his M4 and 495 rounds. I know which sounds better to me. Obviously this is attenuated somewhat if you go with higher load totals, but that can only go on for so long before a man is over-encumbered.

  125. @Svigor

    It’s freedom of contract. It follows very naturally from a negative right of simply being left alone, because the converse is a positive right to force people to deal with you.

    Can you imagine a law prohibiting you from discriminating by race for spouse selection or church affiliation? A college policy mandating that everybody date a member of another race or creed? Hopefully I’m not giving the government any ideas.

  126. @Art Deco

    You’re located in upstate New York. If you’re white, it’s a safe bet you live in a majority-white neighborhood and your wife would take the kids and leave if you decided to save money on the mortgage and move the family to a majority-black neighborhood.

  127. Svigor says:

    It’s freedom of contract.

    True, that’s another shield to defend free association. Property rights, too – and they have the advantage of at least being mentioned in a founding document.

    It follows very naturally

    Haha, rights based on logic, that flow naturally and such. Cute. We’re at the stage now where we can’t even protect the ones that are spelled out from the shysters.

  128. cry baby says:

    @Ted

    check out Dylan Taylor killed by black police officer in Utah all

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