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The death of novelist Philip Roth has led to an explosion of Jews debating in the New York Times whether or not Philip Roth was good for the Jews. From the New York Times:

What Philip Roth Didn’t Know About Women Could Fill a Book
By Dara Horn, May 25, 2018

Ms. Horn is a novelist and New Jersey native

She is from Short Hills, which Time claimed in 2014 was “the richest town in America.”

… Roth’s three favorite topics — Jews, women and New Jersey — all remain socially acceptable targets of irrational public mockery, and Roth was a virtuoso at mocking the combination of all three.

Uh … feel free to mock New Jersey, maybe …

 
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  1. Polynikes says:

    What’s “irrational” public mockery? Is public mockery ever rational when it’s happening to you?

    • Replies: @sabril
  2. Joe Walker says: • Website

    I think Ms. Horn’s biggest problem with Roth is that he was more interested in gentile women than Jewish ones.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Sean
    , @Father O'Hara
  3. Anonym says:

    I like how her “about the author” pic is zoomed out a little more than usual.

    • Replies: @Wally
  4. Tiny Duck says:

    white males are too entitled

    That’s why they commit so much terrorism and mass murder

  5. Kylie says:

    We did feel free to mock New Jersey, no maybe about it, in this thread from the late Larry Auster’s “View from the Right”.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012828.html

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  6. Clyde says:

    How soon before Phillip Roth is posthumously #metoo-ed?
    Also did you hear how Asia Argento, Harvey Weinstein’s number one Mew York accuser and plaintiff, continued having consensual sex w him after she was raped…actually orally not vaginally.

  7. Thomm says:
    @Joe Walker

    Of course. Sailer’s Law strikes again (actually, it comprises a large percentage of all of female psychology period).

  8. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    The New Yorker is wall to wall Philip Roth takes. I keep going back to the site thinking certainly every Jewish contributor has had his say by now. But no, there is apparently still a backlog of Roth takes.

    • Replies: @Mishra
    , @anonymous
  9. @Tiny Duck

    Thanks, Tuck. What’s the limit on titles?

  10. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Clyde

    And they’ll still scream it’s a miscarriage of justice if he doesn’t get convicted.

  11. Lagertha says:

    New Jersey is tough for Jewish young men, since 1960: sooo many blondes (generations of immigrants from Scandi/E. Europe/N. Europe). Bikini & surf culture and weird Jersey shore culture in Asbury (poor man’s A.C. ) since the late 50′s, and, of course, rock culture (Bruce, Bon Govi, Hot Tuna, Kaukonen ! – 2nd gen Finn; no language skills – I asked decades ago!) …and, now Charlie Puth). Jewish men like Roth saw assimilation as a means to an end. The melting pot was a reality, so to speak. Roth was fine with Jewish people linking up with some main-line Christians…the boring Christians :). And, Roth, did not live the Jewish expectations to perpetuate the line…whatever it is

    Because my beloved mother died recently, I have thought about assimilation, and what that really means, for years (my parents were never citizens – too long to explain – they never voted; so relax, my haters) for many families I knew in Jersey. Many were 1st generation immigrants. However, the “old Europe” was never out of the veins of the parents and even, grandparents of my neighbors and friends in HS in Jersey (we lived in a beautiful part of the country) and, we all want success and legacies of success. Many people I knew, even when I was in grade school, came from nothing. I was always awed by that. Yeah…sounds so cloying and bs, but when I was 13 selling GS cookies, a lot of old couples insisted on lecturing me about: ” always vote for a Republican.”

  12. Mishra says:
    @Anon

    I keep going back to the site thinking certainly every Jewish contributor has had his say by now.

    There’s something more universal than just the New Yorker here, methinks.

  13. Lagertha says:

    For your listening pleasure. Young man, Charlie, is a friend.

  14. Lagertha says:

    So, maybe your HS friends’s progeny, hits is big, like mine: I so like his songs. His father was a wonderful man…I should say boy. Memories

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  15. Mr. Anon says:

    What is it that John Derbyshire says about certain black authors?

    That all they write about is Blackity-Black Blackness.

    One might say the same about some jewish authors: Jewy-Jew Jewishness

    The provincialism of people who ostensibly are “cosmopolitan” is often quite striking.

  16. Lagertha says:

    fix it Steve, or Ron, this is the child of my friend, and he is famous, so fix it. ok, sorry…I don’t gove a shit about me, but, any blowback to people who are innocent – you know?
    ok, duh, depressing and real.

  17. Lagertha says:

    ok, you laughed enough on my account. But, you both need to tone it down….I see it – do you see it? They, the bad THEY: want to fool young adults. We live in volatile times

  18. Anon 2 says:

    OT: Anna Azari, Israel’s ambassador to Poland, said a couple
    of days ago,”Anti-Polonism occurs not only in Israel, but also
    in Jewish circles outside Israel.” It’s a remarkable admission
    by a member of the Israeli government that there is such
    a thing as Jewish anti-gentilism in both Israel and the United
    States, and that it’s specifically directed against Poland (although
    it’s obvious that Jewish russophobia is also a factor in American
    political life). Source: “Work needed to reduce anti-Polish sentiment”
    (thenews.pl)

  19. @Lagertha

    Ah, Charlie Puth. Another product of (((networking)))

  20. @Clyde

    Elisabeth Bronfen (Zürich and New York University, jewish father, catholic mother) has it, that the deft and violent sex-scene in The Dying Animal , in which the protagonist “fucks her (a young student) in her mouth” was written by Roth to “deconstruct male sexuality”.

    Bronfen makes her remark right after this scene had been read in all graphic detail in this really decent and worthwhile discussion in the Swiss Public Radio (broadcasted from 10-11 a. m. and repeated from 6 – 7 p. m.

    https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kontext/philip-roth-ein-gigant-der-weltliteratur-2#

    • Replies: @el topo
  21. DFH says:

    Roth’s three favorite topics — Jews, women and New Jersey — all remain socially acceptable targets of irrational public mockery

    Another story from today

    Woman who posted Holocaust denial songs to YouTube convicted
    Judge rules songs were not satirical as Alison Chabloz claimed, but intended to insult Jewish people

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/25/woman-who-posted-holocaust-denial-songs-to-youtube-convicted-alison-chabloz

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @TheJester
  22. @Lagertha

    Jorma Kaukonen is from Washington DC, not New Jersey, but of course became famous while living in San Francisco as the lead guitarist of Jefferson Airplane. He also happens to be Jewish on his mother’s side and fairly recently began embracing his Jewish roots.

    • Agree: Steve in Greensboro
    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Lagertha
  23. He also got stuck into the French. In The Human Stain, Roth chose a left-liberal French woman as the villein (and a right-wing liberal Mulatto as the hero). Frog-bashing seems to be a popular pastime among mainstream right-wing Americans. Have they forgotten the French played a vital role in the American War of Independence?

  24. @DFH

    Don’t forget the guy (Jeremy Bedford-Turner) who said Jews had too much power and is now doing a year inside. I’m sure there’s a joke there… and a guy called Lawrence Burns got 4 years in 2016.

    Not much social acceptability there – or legal, either.

    Where’s that twitter meme comparing Western and Eastern Europe in 1948 and 2018, showing that the places where you’re jailed for what you say have flipped 180 degrees?

  25. @unpc downunder

    A.) What makes you assume Philip Roth was right-wing?

    B.) The events in Human Stain take place long, long after the American War of Independence, which, in turn, happened long, long before the rise of French post-modernism.

  26. Roth’s great topic was the war between the sexes, not the Jews. His two finest works, “My Life As A Man” and “Sabbaths Theater” are masterpieces of pre-internet red pill rage.

  27. sabril says:
    @Polynikes

    FWIW, I am a New Jerseyian and I think much mockery of New Jersey is rational in the sense that American culture and life is very much focused on cities; New Jersey has two major cities on its borders but no major cities of its own, putting New Jersey in kind of a silly situation. When you compare Camden and Newark to Philadelphia and New York, the situation is rather laughable.

  28. Roth’s three favorite topics — Jews, women and New Jersey — all remain socially acceptable targets of irrational public mockery

    I wonder how Caren Turner’s been holding up since the recent unpleasantness.

  29. Clyde says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    Jorma Kaukonen – Finnish American dad served in US State Dept. Mom must have cooked interesting meals at home. Finnish meat balls? Google say yes with lingonberry.

  30. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @unpc downunder

    Frog-bashing seems to be a popular pastime among mainstream right-wing Americans.

    Since when? Are you saying that the Jewish Roth represents mainstream right-wing Americans?

    • Replies: @Anon
  31. theMann says:
    @Clyde

    How the bleep do you rape a woman orally? She bites down and you are not Big Daddy the Rapist, you are Big Daddy the Eunuch. What, you are going to find a way to hurt her while you are bleeding out?

    Does anybody ever stop to consider:

    1. Most of the #metoo accusations are absurd on the face of it, and even if they weren’t were consensual by current definition of Law. And,

    2. Invariably involve accusations about events that were well in the past, often the distant past, and are therefore unreliable, and unprovable, by standard of Law. I really love the “women don’t lie about that meme” – how can any man who isn’t a virgin believe that nonsense for even one second?

    BTW Steve, JAP jokes were wildly popular when I was in college, and I am pretty sure they were mocking.

  32. Dr. Doom says:

    In other news, due to Israel being about the size of New Jersey, criticizing New Jersey is now Anti-Semitism. Maryland and Connecticut are hardest hit.

  33. “What Philip Roth Didn’t Know About Women Could Fill a Book”

    Did he think of a man, and then forget to take away reason and accountability?

  34. @unpc downunder

    “Only Dropped Once Sport Grey T-Shirts”

    By popular demand, we have introduced this design back into circulation.

    Tired of those inane French surrender jokes? Here’s a way to acknowledge the respect due to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen.

    https://shop.bbtv.com/collections/forgotten-weapons/products/unisex-short-sleeve-t-shirt-39

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  35. Jake says:
    @unpc downunder

    Hating the French, blaming the French, lampooning the French (from a rather deep sense of cultural inferiority intensified by knowing that Modern English culture required the Normans to allow themselves to be debased) is central to WASP culture.

    • Replies: @Anon
  36. Karl says:
    @Mr. Anon

    15 Mr Anon > One might say the same about some jewish authors: Jewy-Jew Jewishness

    when stories-about-Gentile-ness can make a cash register ring, is when Barnes & Noble will open up its first Pioneering Little Europe in-store coffee shop

    iSteve is a Welfare Queen, living off of all the great JQ soap opera generated rich-daddy Jewgirls from NJ

    Scientists say that flies love to lay their eggs in dogshit because it actually contains plenty of undigested nutrients that the larvae can eat.

    iSteve occupies the same ecological niche. It certainly has been a LONG time since his writings sold a golfcourse membership to anyone

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  37. Redman says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m assuming you don’t agree with these cops. I get that Turner used her position as power, but so what?

    I found myself siding with her rather than the cops who never explain why they pulled the car over in the first place.

  38. @unpc downunder

    They don’t care. Frog-bashing was so bad in the early to mid 2000s that even in Louisiana and other places on the Gulf Coast with a strong French heritage (a heritage that gives it a different character than the rest of the South) people downplayed it or were embarrassed by it, and my middle school even called French fries freedom fries for two or three years. Luckily that disappeared, and people are into the French history again, in fact so much you see fleur de lis all over restaurants and shops as far away as Panama City and Savannah, places that really weren’t all that French.

    • Replies: @WJ
  39. John says: • Website

    If someone introduced herself to me as a novelist and a New Jersey native, I think I’d say, “No you’re not.” Not that I disbelieved her. I’d just want to see the reaction.

  40. Hibernian says:
    @Lagertha

    My experience with a similar millieu is that there was a steady decrease over time in the number who would say always vote for a Democrat. My father took that position his entire life; he passed away in 2012.

  41. phil says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny,

    You are disingenuous and a flat-out anti-white racist. You are well-aware that the homicide rate among blacks is multiple times higher than it is among whites and Asians. Even in The Bahamas, the wealthiest black-majority country ruled by blacks, the homicide rate is horrific.

    That white gentiles, Asians, and Jews have much higher living standards simply means that they are smarter and more successful on average. Adjusted for IQ, blacks are over-represented, not under-represented, in high-paying jobs. Discrimination that is unrelated to ability tends to be in their favor, yet their average living standards are not as high because, as a people, they are not as capable as whites or Asians.

  42. Sean says:

    There is something very eerie about reading fiction and realizing that you are ostensibly reading about yourself. I was 15 when I read the title novella of Philip Roth’s first book, “Goodbye, Columbus,” handed to me by a relative who informed me that it was “about our town.” It was.. Published in 1959, the story is a brief romance between a poor Jewish boy from gritty Newark, my mother’s and grandparents’ hometown, and a rich Jewish girl from leafy and affluent Short Hills, N.J., my own.

    According to Keven MacDonald’s APTSDA, an poor but eminent traditional Jewish scholar would be able to parlay his prestige into wealth by marrying the daughter of a rich man. KM also mentions that according to the book Jewish Marriage and Divorce in Imperial Russia,
    “Devastating caricatures of the parasitic groom appeared in novels such as Peretz Smolenskin’s Wanderer “

  43. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    I imagine comparing Jewish women with Polish & German blondes or brunettes can be pretty disheartening.

  44. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I always say Noo Yawk is the most provincial town in the country. And the women wear black uniforms every day. They think an all black wardrobe is sooooo sophisticated.

    It’s not. One ex Noo Yawker was telling me how black pants and a white shirt is the most elegant office outfit ever.
    I told her it looked like a standard waiter’s uniform

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder

    They haven’t forgotten. They never knew the French role in our revolution.
    It’s particularly bad among all those southerners who can trace their ancestors back to early colonial times

  46. Sean says:
    @Joe Walker

    Claire Bloom? Roth demanded she pay back every penny he ever spent on her.
    As a specialist in the affluent Jewish female neurosis, Roth was very like Freud. Roth was not as good a writer though.

  47. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Jews and blacks are the two most self-absorbed groups in America. The former are the main culprits in brainwashing the latter. That’s why they’re the two biggest self-proclaimed victim groups in America. They are born victims, of narcissism.

  48. Toto says:
    @Clyde

    Source?

    • Replies: @Clyde
  49. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Extreme provincialism from intelligent people is especially striking.

    I had a Jewish uncle who was very smart, very knowledgeable and *exceptionally* witty, clever and quick on his feet; basically, he would have made a lot of people look very, very bad in a real time debate.

    He hadn’t really thought about the non-UWS POV, though–perhaps even he couldn’t. One time he told me he enjoyed an internet forum in his area of technical expertise because the off-topic section included some Red state Republicans arguing and he simply didn’t know any Republicans in real life.

    He also one time told me that his brother lived in “Tennessee or Texas” and I asked him which one since they’re neither close nor similar; he didn’t know. Sure, this could be a broken family but I don’t think so–I met my uncle’s mother and his gay brother who was a Columbia PhD student. All he knew was being married to a goy in “Tennessee or Texas” was extremely exotic and foreign and so opaque as to be impenetrable.

    But yes, my uncle could have given you an interesting, clever take on all of the Roth pieces in the New Yorker.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  50. TheJester says:
    @DFH

    Wait, are we talking about our beloved European countries (our heritage) that embody the finest in West liberalism?

    Except, one can now go to jail in most of these countries for,

    1. Criticizing massive immigration from alien cultures and religions
    2. Criticizing lesbian and homosexual cultures and their impact on society
    3. Claiming that there are differences between men and women
    4. Claiming that “trans” men and women are not really women and men
    5. Noticing that Jews have inordinate political and economic power that goes far beyond their populations
    6. Noticing that Zionism is an Ideology of Election has a lot in common with Nazi and Communist ideologies
    7. Noticing that Gaza is the world’s largest outdoor prison since the Warsaw Ghetto
    8. Noticing that Western Europeans are no longer a Christian people (that is a given once they adopted Cultural Marxism as a way of life).

    The liberal claim is that those who disagree with the tenants of Cultural Marxism are guilty of hate-filled crimes … cultural sedition. Sounds a lot like putting your political opponents in prison … well, because they are your political opponents.

    If American ever was the “lantern on the hill”, how come the rest of Western Civilization apparently missed the point about democracy and free speech. Didn’t we fight a world war or two over the issue of democratic vs. totalitarian government and the right to free speech and self-determination … which are the sine qua non of democracy?

    My vote is to let the Marxist welfare states within the EU destroy themselves without a tear shed as we watch their cultural, demographic, and economic suicide. In the meantime, we can save ourselves by refusing to emulate their insanities.

  51. TheJester says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wait, are we talking about our beloved European countries (our heritage) that embody the finest in West liberalism?

    Except, one can now go to jail in most of these countries for,

    1. Criticizing massive immigration from alien cultures and religions
    2. Criticizing lesbian and homosexual cultures and their impact on society
    3. Claiming that there are differences between men and women
    4. Claiming that “trans” men and women are not really women and men
    5. Noticing that Jews have inordinate political and economic power that goes far beyond their populations
    6. Noticing that Zionism is an Ideology of Election has a lot in common with Nazi and Communist ideologies
    7. Noticing that Gaza is the world’s largest outdoor prison since the Warsaw Ghetto
    8. Noticing that Western Europeans are no longer a Christian people (that is a given once they adopted Cultural Marxism as a way of life).

    The liberal claim is that those who disagree with the tenants of Cultural Marxism are guilty of hate-filled crimes … cultural sedition. Sounds a lot like putting your political opponents in prison … well, because they are your political opponents.

    If American ever was the “lantern on the hill”, how come the rest of Western Civilization apparently missed the point about democracy and free speech. Didn’t we fight a world war or two over the issue of democratic vs. totalitarian government and the right to free speech and self-determination … which are the sine qua non of democracy?

    My vote is to let the Marxist welfare states within the EU destroy themselves without a tear shed as we watch their cultural, demographic, and economic suicide. In the meantime, we can save ourselves by refusing to emulate their insanities.

  52. @Joe Walker

    Sir, I have read one Roth book,like 30 years ago. It was something about Jews,oh yeah the one about shiksas.

    Roth reminded me of Lenny Bruce,when Bruce would go on and on about shiksas’nipples and how Liz Taylor had a black hair on her nipple…weird stuff.

    Roth did something to the actress Claire Sterling (?) ,tho not sure what.

  53. @Mr. Anon

    The provincialism of people who ostensibly are “cosmopolitan” is often quite striking.

    Well said, Mr. Anon.

    But to be fair this isn’t just Jewish fascination with themselves. The gentile members of our “liberal” “elites” now have a related universalized version of this blindness. They really think that inside every person in the world–except the deplorables–there is a white liberal just itching to get out. After all we’re all the same–and they know how they think and feel, so everyone else must–”properly educated”–think and feel the same way too. You could call it the Unitarian conceit.

    The ideas of those old racist WASP, “old something or another hand”–who actually learned the language, religion, culture of some foreign place and came to appreciate it, sometimes love it, but also understood that the people were *different*–are just beyond these modern cosmopolitans. They honestly seem to believe that everyone is the same and “diversity” really means different restaurants!

    We have the most parochial cosmopolitans in the history of the world.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  54. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774097/Controversial-female-ex-police-chief-giving-lectures-white-male-culture-workplace.html

    Female ex-police chief at heart of £870k sexist payout for bullying male colleague ‘is now giving inspirational speeches on how to combat white male culture at work’

  55. @Tiny Duck

    The group’s are incompetent at terrorism and mass murder, just like everything else.

  56. @AnotherDad

    We have the most parochial cosmopolitans in the history of the world.

    So true. For most of our ‘cosmopolitans’, history is bunk, and culture consists of nothing other than products for consumption . It’s shocking how truly ignorant so many of them are, outside of some narrow, technical specialty.

  57. I think New Jersey has more commenters on here per capita than any other state, so I would watch the Jersey jokes.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  58. AndrewR says:
    @Kylie

    If there’s anything that unites Americans, it’s a disdain for Joisey.

  59. bartok says:

    Jewish Han Solo, his 31-year-old love interest and Nerdy Lando Calrissian are bombing at this weekend’s box office. Again, it’s “depressing-looking” actors from Lucasfilm.

    When STAR WARS started filming, Carrie Fisher was 19 1/2 years old.

  60. @sabril

    New Jersey government is probably more corrupt than it would be if there had been major big city newspapers headquartered in the state who could afford to do some muckraking.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @william munny
  61. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    There was a striking illustration of this very often demonstrated tendency on a cooking contest show. The chefs were assigned to make a cake/structured desert on the theme of the Seven Wonders of the World. The winner was a Japanese man who made a Sphinx. The other contestants made things that would easily be within the category, except a Jewish female chef who was eliminated earlier: she made her neighborhood in Brooklyn. Storefronts with frosting neon signs, very flat amid a table of three-dimensional stuff.

    • Replies: @jimbo jones
  62. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    >across some water from New York City
    >the thing missing here is journalistic talent/resources
    >journalists could totally defeat mobsters given the chance
    I disagree.

  63. Hunsdon says:
    @Joe Stalin

    I love it when you run across little shared enthusiasms in unexpected places.

  64. Jewish female resentment towards the shiksas must influence their political outlook. I expect many resort to lesbianism after being rebuffed once too many times.

    Here’s a striking example:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Wally
    , @Anon
  65. Clyde says:
    @Toto

    Asia Argento’s Wikipedia page and that draws from Ronan Farrow’s original report (New Yorker mag) that broke it all open for women accusing Harvey Weinstein.

  66. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    I’m too busy/lazy to look it up, but didn’t Claire Bloom write a whole book about their abusive marriage?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  67. @Redman

    I’m assuming you don’t agree with these cops.

    The cops were polite and professional. Here’s my original comment (#11) with full video. Still side with her?

    Speaking of Joisey, are you Redman of Newark?

  68. @Anon

    Ms. Bloom dished that Mr. Roth would sit at his desk and write his books for nine hours every day, then he would relax by reading great literature for four hours every evening. She had expected that being married to a famous writer would be more interesting.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  69. @sabril

    New Jersey has two major cities on its borders but no major cities of its own

    George Washington himself compared Jersey to “a cask tapped at both ends”. So this is hardly a new issue.

    When you compare Camden and Newark to Philadelphia and New York, the situation is rather laughable.

    Newark can at least brag about cherry trees.

    Washington, eat your heart out.

  70. @TelfoedJohn

    That person if female? I thought it was Stanley Anne Dunham Obama’s second husband.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  71. @TheJester

    If American ever was the “lantern on the hill”, how come the rest of Western Civilization apparently missed the point about democracy and free speech. Didn’t we fight a world war or two over the issue of democratic vs. totalitarian government and the right to free speech and self-determination … which are the sine qua non of democracy?

    I tend to suspect that America as a whole has done more to harm Western Civilization in one regard or another than all the other contributing factors put together.

  72. Dan Hayes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    Was it in her book or in another venue that Ms Boom discussed her spouse’s really odd and psychotic behavior especially with regard to his Jewish paranoia?

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. @theMann

    In college yes, outside of that in the Mainstream Media has anyone ever heard a JAP joke referenced? Even by Jewish stand up comedians doing a show? College was the only place I ever heard one, at anytime.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  74. Astorian says:

    Laugh at her if you wish, but Dara Horn is on to something. Philip Roth was absurdly ignorant of everything outside his own experience. That includes the Gentile world AND the world of Jews from the nicer side of the tracks.

    “The Plot Against America” actually suggests that the Deep South would have supported Charles Lindbergh! There is absolutely no way any Southern State would have voted for any Republican in 1940, but Roth didn’t know that and never bothered to learn anything about the South. He already “knew” that white Southerners were isolationists (wrong- Southerners are always the most hawkish of Americans), anti-Semites (wrong- Southerners have historically liked and welcomed Jews) and FDR haters (wrong again- the Solid South loved the New Deal). In short, Roth knew nothing about the South but assumed he knew everything that mattered.

    Is it so hard to imagine he was equally clueless about other Americans, including upscale Jews like the Potemkins?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  75. el topo says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Except in his initial encounter with her, it was Weinstein who performed oral sex on Argento, rather than forcing her to perform it on him. This is recounted in Ronan Farrow’s New Yorker article.

    • Replies: @Anon
  76. Mr. Anon says:
    @Karl

    Well, I guess we’ll have to count you among the parochial, then.

    Nobody is ringing up hits viewing what “Karl” wrote. They do however for iSteve.

  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Huh. And I thought that Aaron Copland was dead. You learn somethin’ every day.

  78. Wally says:
    @Anonym

    Indeed, the nose job is less obvious.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  79. @Astorian

    Yeah, the Solid South Democratic Senators were FDR’s main allies in pushing for war footing against the Nazis before 12/7/41.

  80. Wally says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    And which would a real man rather have:

    • Replies: @Anonym
  81. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s Laurie Arbeiter, a self-parodic perennial NY protestor. She makes millions selling t-shirts for the gullible: https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-pro-cop-profiteer-making-a-killing

  82. @Steve Sailer

    A lot of the corruption is driven by the sheer number of municipalities and other government entities. 600+ municipalities (some with no more than a few dozen residents), each with their own mayor, business administrator, board of education, etc. Plus, county-level governments that do little other than soak taxpayers. Lots of opportunity for corrupt people, and lots of opportunity for corrupt people to get into places where they can be corrupt.

    This is compounded by a lack of journalistic resources. An old newspaper guy I knew told me he was always pulled in too many directions. Too many things to watch at once.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  83. @J.Ross

    her neighbourhood in brooklyn was meant to be a wonder of the world? I always though Roth utterly parochial.

  84. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    That’s Ms. “Bloom”. If I was married to a woman named “Boom” who wouldn’t change it I’d be paranoid too. /s

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  85. Highlander says: • Website
    @Redman

    the cops who never explain why they pulled the car over in the first place

    Perhaps because it wasn’t her car and she wasn’t the driver? They politely referred her to said driver who was standing right there. I daresay you wouldn’t want the police to be blabbing about the details of your traffic tickets to curious third parties while they have you pulled over.

  86. WJ says:
    @S. Anonyia

    The Frog hating started when they refused to join the coalition of the willing to engage in the Iraq disaster. A few years later they were smirking and history proved them right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @MBlanc46
  87. @sabril

    FWIW, I am a New Jerseyian and I think much mockery of New Jersey is rational in the sense that American culture and life is very much focused on cities; New Jersey has two major cities on its borders but no major cities of its own, putting New Jersey in kind of a silly situation. When you compare Camden and Newark to Philadelphia and New York, the situation is rather laughable.

    I’m a native Philadelphian who spent some time in North Jersey. It just seems like whatever indigenous culture that New Jersey may have had was totally overwhelmed by suburbanization drawing people from New York and Philadelphia into North Jersey and South Jersey respectively. Since ocean bathing became popular, the shore points have always been a sort of back yard for New York and Philadelphia with Atlantic City serving as a sort of transition point between the New Yorkers’ shore points to the North and the Philadelphians’ shore points to the South (Brigantine is North of AC but populated by Philadelphians in the summers).

    • Replies: @Highlander
  88. @Anon

    I always say Noo Yawk is the most provincial town in the country. And the women wear black uniforms every day. They think an all black wardrobe is sooooo sophisticated.

    The thing that makes New York insufferable isn’t the born and bred New Yorkers – it’s the transplants and strivers who populate much of it, and who think that “living in New York” is a substitute for a personality and a distraction from being utterly uninteresting.

  89. Highlander says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas

    (Brigantine is North of AC but populated by Philadelphians in the summers)

    So was Long Beach Island in the 50′s and 60′s. The Ben Franklin Bridge and Rts. 70 and 72 (with a high speed cutoff through the Pine Barrens via Chatsworth) was the most direct and minimal traffic route to the ocean from Philadelphia. The fishing in the large Little Egg Harbor and Barnegat Bay was always top notch and not to be found behind the other shore towns. Lots of native South New Jerseyans in that neck of the woods rather than New Yorkers.

  90. Antonius says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Our weakness is not entitlement it is pity, we pity you. The only victories you have achieved have been achieved by getting people to feel sorry for you. South Africa was not won by force of arms or will it was one by gulling the West (with more than a little hope from the chosen) into feeling sorry for you. How would history judge your peoples meagre achievements, pathetic!

  91. anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    To be a Jewish author, particularly one who is from NYC, is to be perforce “cosmopolitan”—even if he/she really IS provincial.

  92. anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Were you expecting less from the New Yorker? The question is: Does Roth play in Peoria? Wonder how many pilgrims out there in “Flyover Country” have ever even HEARD of Philip Roth.

  93. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    She reminds me of Carmela Soprano–but without any of the polish.

  94. @theMann

    BTW Steve, JAP jokes were wildly popular when I was in college, and I am pretty sure they were mocking.

    Absolutely! Maybe they weren’t big on the West Coast, but they were hugely popular in the northeast and the midwest in the 1970s and 1980s.

    Two things struck me about them then:

    1. There was a real edge to them.
    2. Jewish men seem to have been the original authors of all them even though they passed into general circulation.

    JAP jokes also seem like an extremely iStevie topic and I am only surprised Steve hasn’t addressed them yet. I have lived in several countries and seven US states and can’t think of any country or region that does not have a genre of jokes about supposedly stupid ethnic groups: e.g. Polish in US, Irish in UK, Bavarians/Austrians in Germany, Belgians in France, Newfies in Canada, Aggies in Texas, etc. etc.

    But I cannot think of any OTHER large body of jokes that the men of one ethnic group created about their own wives, mothers, sisters etc.

    Have I overlooked something?

    ,

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon
  95. @william munny

    County government is the biggest source of political patronage in New Jersey.

    It is the smallest part of your tax bill, so no one pays attention, but in the aggregate each county gets a ton of money with little accountability.

  96. @Unladen Swallow

    It may depend upon when you were in college. I heard a different one almost every day at Penn in the late 1970s and on Wall Street trading desks well throughout the 1980s.

  97. @PV van der Byl

    I retold a Jewish Mother joke a few weeks ago in a column that I found illuminating about why 1960s Jewish feminists had reasons to resent their parents investing in their 120 IQ brothers’ med school education while expecting their 130 IQ daughters to chauffeur their moms around.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  98. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @WJ

    The French were the main pushers of the Libyan intervention though. It’s a shame they didn’t have more sense there.

  99. Lagertha says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    well, nobody is perfect, haha! Thought Jorma’s Grandfather, once off of Ellis Island, he settled in Jersey. Maybe I am wrong, but I heard this in 1975. All Finns in the North East pretty much knew the “social assembly” houses, like Imatra, in the 60′s and earlier. Imatra was the central social place for S. NY, NJ. Fitchburg, MA, and Voluntown, CT for N.England.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  100. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    So Japanese & Koreans love Charlie: https://youtu.be/WnAThlrpLiU and, this is the song with Selena Gomez: https:/youtu.be 3AtDnEC4zak

    Forgot to mention: Charlie’s mom was Jewish; his dad, not. Charlie went to Red Bank Catholic HS, in NJ. Look up Wikipedia on him: he has perfect pitch with no voice lessons…very unusual.

    He also, perhaps, fell for Selena, and just despised the Canadian, Bieber, for hurting Selena…he fell off the rails for a year – he just turned 26. Here’s his latest: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/arts/music/charlie-puth-voicenotes-interview.html

  101. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    Forgot to mention: Charlie’s mom was Jewish; his dad, not. Charlie went to Red Bank Catholic HS, in NJ. Look up Wikipedia on him: he has perfect pitch with no voice lessons…very unusual.

    He also, perhaps, fell for Selena, and just despised the Canadian, Bieber, for hurting Selena…he fell off the rails for a year – he just turned 26. Here’s his latest: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/arts/music/charlie-puth-voicenotes-interview.html

    Click on all the Japanese, Korean, and Chinese singing on to this hit! too numerous to type in!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  102. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    Imatra was in Sunset Heights in Brooklyn. I will send photos of me from the annual Miss Finland USA pageant, there, however, I was a kid, not a contestant, but the pageant continues in Lake Worth, FL.

    Watch the video, it is really good.

  103. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @el topo

    Gross yuck icky given his looks only money rape or jobs would induce anyone to get near him
    I only like tall thin blondes except for very handsome tall thin brunettes. A creature who looks like Weinstein is just just ugh.

    In most state criminal codes doing oral sex on someone who doesn’t want it is considered sex assault. I doubt any woman of normal size could fight off 35o pounds of Weinstein.

  104. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    I so feel like Charlie looks like a young iSteve Sailer!, haha! he has the same gentle angst. Read his Wiki – he is sort of a, male, Taylor.

  105. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @PV van der Byl

    I think you’re right.

    It goes back to Henry Youngman and his wife jokes and probably before I remember reading a lot of early Jewish feminazi writings about how horrible Jewish men are for their nasty jokes and comments about Jewish women.

  106. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Have you ever read amren? It’s mostly southerners and they love to bash France for anything and everything

  107. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Any thoughts on why homosexuality is so prevalent among Jews?

    Is it natural inclination or is it because it is dissident and yet another blow against Christian civilization?

  108. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann

    Put a gun to a woman’s head and tell her if she bites you’ll kill her. Have a couple buddies with you and tell her she’ll get a bad beating if she bites.

    You obviously don’t work in law enforcement.

  109. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Walker

    Main stream right wing Americans are still devoted to the “ we destroyed the supreme evil of the universe Hitler and the Nazis with our brave British blood brothers while the cowardly French surrendered and collaborated” thing

    I think it’s mostly ethnic and goes back to the centuries of endless English invasions of France

  110. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    The reason I played Charlie’s songs is that it gives the people here, who don’t have Millennial children, an understanding that Millennials see things differently than we do (anyone over 45). But, they still want and hope for the same things. It’s Beach Boys and Blondie 30-50 years later. The irony, for men, as an immigrant, as a woman, and Uni educated, is so well…ironic :). We are still steps away from caves we came from.

  111. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Roth’s The Plot Against America was plagiarized from a 1930s book It Can’t Happen Here about a Nazi German takeover of America

    Both mawkish propaganda

  112. ChrisZ says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Maybe the Short Hills Mall would host an iSteve Jersey meet-up?

  113. @TheJester

    How about you give the “Gaza is an open-air prison horseshit” a rest?

    Here’s a brand new piece about Ramadan in Gaza: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156449640919717&id=14310874716

  114. Anonym says:
    @Wally

    I don’t like the look of it.

  115. Anonym says:
    @Wally

    I was more referring to how the shot intentionally includes her boobs. I’ve seen worse. I think if I was her I would do the same thing, just noticing what she did.

  116. @Anonymous

    He also one time told me that his brother lived in “Tennessee or Texas” and I asked him which one since they’re neither close nor similar; he didn’t know

    Many Californians are that way as well, blissfully unaware there is anything east of the Sierras (not our host though, having attended Rice).

    Once, upon learning I was from Virginia, I had a very well-educated Californian say “oh cool…my brother used to live in Vermont”.

    Another time I was playing golf in the Bay Area, and while waiting for a fairway to clear we turned and standing behind the tee box were 3-4 deer. My playing partner said “man…where else but in California would you see that”? Uhh, in 49 other states…

  117. @Redman

    I found myself siding with her rather than the cops who never explain why they pulled the car over in the first place.

    Police do not have to explain to random 3rd parties why someone is being arrested, or getting a traffic ticket, or any other aspect of police business.

    From the perspective of the law Turner was just a random 3rd party.

    That said, I suspect if she’d asked nicely, they’d have told her. It amuses me that people are assholes to cops, then are surprised when the cops are assholes in return.

  118. TheJester says:
    @Clyde

    It appears that Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted Asia Argento by using the force of his personality to create an anticipation of financial gain. You know, the tone of his voice. When the financial gain evaporated, the spell was broken and Argento realized what he had done to her. She realized how inappropriate his behavior had been toward her from the outset … for him to play so loosely with her feelings and expectations.

    This is akin to a woman regretting sex the morning after. It has to be rape, or otherwise why would she regret it; why would she feel like that. There has to be a reason. To think otherwise would be to belittle and demean her feelings. So, if it wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. If it wasn’t sexual assault it was belittling and demeaning her feelings. Now THAT’S inappropriate. Therefore, the man’s sexual behavior was inappropriate given how one thing like this leads to another.

    Stay with me. I know this is hard to understand. These are complex connections and relationships that strain a rational person’s understanding … but they are there. Trust me.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  119. @TheJester

    The Victorians had crimes on the book for Seduction and the like. When I was young, advanced thinkers would frequently make fun of the Victorians for their backward laws and customs. Now, we seem to be heading back in that direction.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  120. @Steve Sailer

    In the famous Frank Sinatra mugshot, the crimes he was charged with were seduction and adultery.

  121. MBlanc46 says:
    @WJ

    I think that the antagonism of the American Right toward the French began in the 1950s when DeGaulle wanted an independent French forein policy.

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