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From New York Times columnist Farhad Manjoo:

Call Me ‘They’

The singular “they” is inclusive and flexible, and it breaks the stifling prison of gender expectations. Let’s all use it.

Okay, but “they” is not singular, it’s plural. You sound crazy, like the Berkeley stabber, Pablo “They” Gomez, when you ask people to refer to you as “they.”

English already has a perfectly good gender-free singular pronoun: “it.”

So, from now on, you’re It.

By Farhad Manjoo
Opinion Columnist

July 10, 2019

Call me “they” or “them,” as in: “Did you read Farhad’s latest column — they’ve really gone off the deep end this time!” …

But it was only when I had a son and a daughter of my own that I recognized how powerfully gendered constructs shape our development. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions, their preferences and their identity, their very liberty, only to satisfy some collective abstraction. And there’s little prospect for escape: Gender is a ubiquitous prison for the mind, reinforced everywhere, by everyone, and only rarely questioned.

In other words, Manjoo is mad that he doesn’t get to boast to the other woke parents about how non-binary his kids are. It’s driving him crazy that his boy and girl are sane.

You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender.

Gender progressivism: Making children cry on Christmas morning since 1969.

 
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  1. It’s driving him crazy that they are a sane, healthy boy and girl.

    Hey, if Farhad really had one kid who was a sane, healthy boy and girl, he’d probably be a lot happier.

  2. Don’t lose hope — he does appear willing to be reasonable.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Every insane idea these people have is just a 'start.'
    , @Anon
    That's a shocking admission from Farhad: " I do gender them."
  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    My view is that when you choose between he and they, you either choose to look sexist (he) or stupid and uneducated (they). I choose to look sexist. In contexts where I really don’t want to look sexist, I can always fall back on he or she, which makes me look unsexist, yet pedantic.

    And remember everyone: indefinite pronouns are singular and take he.

    • Replies: @Liza

    And remember everyone: indefinite pronouns are singular and take he.
     
    1. "Everyone has his excuse for behaving the way he does."
    2. "Everyone has their excuse for behaving the way they do."

    I go for #1 but it is not in popular usage these days.

    Whoever wants to argue about this, they certainly will do so.
    Whoever wants to argue about this, he certainly will do so.

    Whenever I hear the old grammar usage, I right away think of William Buckley.
  4. Many Steve postings……. Tue, Jul 16 (5:39 PM) is the *peak* full moon. Probably EST. I had a very interesting thing happen to me on Sunday at 730AM.
    I cannot sleep due to the full moon.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Many Steve postings……. Tue, Jul 16 (5:39 PM) is the *peak* full moon.
     
    As noted above by a reader, the Indians are sending a rocket to the moon. Also, many Indian SJW related posts. What does it all mean?
  5. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows.

    He needs to get with the programme: Dress the kiddies in Mao suits, take away the TV and hand them Kindles® or iPads® pre-loaded with the Chairman’s Little Red Book, and get them rolling on more important things, like building A New America®.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    Research say juvenile male chimpanzees are more likely to play with “stereotypically” male toys and juvenile female chimpanzees with “stereotypically” female toys...

    https://animalwise.org/2012/01/26/born-this-way-gender-based-toy-preferences-in-primates/

    If this study fit the narrative literally everyone would know about it and it would be mentioned constantly.
    , @Lockean Proviso
    Future Gen Z right-wing backlash kiddos coming up? Teens already think that their parents are embarrassing, but when their parents are this absurd then the sentiment might be held more strongly and persistently.
    , @Chuck
    Nice boomer take.

    Seen a pride parade lately?
  6. “Call Me ‘They’”

    Nah. “Ishmael” will do just fine.

  7. • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    He really could've gotten a better looking girl..yikes. She sounds smart and all, but her (lack of) beauty on the other hand.....
  8. my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms.

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.

    One of the environmentalists’ favorite hobby horses is the Precautionary Principle. Basically, “Don’t make any major change in the environment (such as introducing new chemicals) until you’re able to demonstrate it won’t have negative consequences.”

    Let’s ignore the fact this it’s more or less impossible to implement. It says that we shouldn’t make drastic changes to a complex system until we’ve thought thru the possible (intended and unintended) consequences. Not a bad idea, with the major problem that unintended consequences are also generally unforeseeable or at least unforeseen.

    For some, to me, unknown reason they never apply this principle to the social environment, which is infinitely more complex than the physical one. No, they’re all in favor of “Hope and Change.”

    IOW, let’s Change things at random and Hope it all works out ok.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.
     
    Or just perhaps - indulge this wild idea a minute - they are not gender norms at all, but rather actual sex differences dictated by biological realities.

    Crazy talk, I know.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.
     
    Or just perhaps - indulge this wild idea a minute - they are not gender norms at all, but rather actual sex differences dictated by biological realities.

    Crazy talk, I know.
  9. These kids today! Doing crazy stuff like being mentally stable!

  10. Meanwhile, India overtakes the U.S.A.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    We did this decades ago, and plumbing was normal, even for our poor. If this is "overtaking" then I am a lot less worried about the Chinese Century.
  11. I wonder what Farhad Manjoo’s immigrant Muslim parents make of Farhad’s wishes for their grandchildren? For that matter, I wonder what Farhad Manjoo’s wife, a doctor, makes of it?

    As an irrelevant aside, two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer’s posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Raised on full afternoons of non-stop Big Bang Theory on TBS?
    , @Anon 2
    Re: Indian SJW invasion

    Asians continue to pour into the United States at incredible rates, at least 100,000
    immigrants from India and 100,000 from China per year (incl. illegals). India is
    adding 16-17 million to its population annually (and China 5-6 million) so that
    there is plenty more where that came from.
    , @peterike
    As an irrelevant aside,

    It's not at all irrelevant.

    two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer’s posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Yes, they both look like soy snakes. You can literally see the deceit and chicanery in their faces.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    "Nerd" suggests a certain ineffectiveness. The Indian SJWs are far from ineffective. They know exactly what they are doing, precisely who to team up with, and just who the designated enemy is.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    His face is missing something - maybe he should grow a Fu Manjoo?
  12. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment …

    Well, there’s your problem right there – not that they turned out normal, but that you fed them all the marketing and entertainment off of the idiot plate (it’s not really a box anymore since the flat screen). I had read that all the upper-middle class types, even, or expecially, those in the infotainment business, were keeping their little ones away from the screens to let their minds develop more intelligence (full discloser – not upper middle-class, but guilty as charged, you honor).

    In other words, Manjoo is mad that he doesn’t get to boast to the other woke parents about how non-binary his kids are.

    Between this fact that he cares more about his SJWism than he does his kids and the above, giving them access to the screens at a young age, I would say Mr. Magoo here doesn’t really love his kids. He loves the Cultural Revolution more. Hopefully his kids will turn out the same and, when they get older and stronger, grab his stupid ass, put him on a stage and pour pig blood on him and call him “capitalist roader” in front of their class mates. It was a blast last time around!

    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment
     
    That stood out to me as well, Achmed. I suppose Mr Manjew here approves of the current poisonous culture and thus has no problem parking his kids in front of a screen.

    Whereas in my household, for example, we won’t be watching Jumanji 2 since the cast was needlessly diversified.
  13. @Clyde
    Many Steve postings....... Tue, Jul 16 (5:39 PM) is the *peak* full moon. Probably EST. I had a very interesting thing happen to me on Sunday at 730AM.
    I cannot sleep due to the full moon.

    Many Steve postings……. Tue, Jul 16 (5:39 PM) is the *peak* full moon.

    As noted above by a reader, the Indians are sending a rocket to the moon. Also, many Indian SJW related posts. What does it all mean?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    170 years ago it would have been a "Comanche moon". Now, it's a "Bangalore moon" just the same - they are coming to raid ... jobs, housing developments, the culture, you name it.
  14. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's immigrant Muslim parents make of Farhad's wishes for their grandchildren? For that matter, I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's wife, a doctor, makes of it?

    As an irrelevant aside, two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer's posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    https://i.imgur.com/mNuh3wg.jpg

    Raised on full afternoons of non-stop Big Bang Theory on TBS?

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Raised on full afternoons of non-stop Big Bang Theory on TBS?

     

    Kunal Nayyar may have played a socially inept astrophysicist for twelve years, but in real life he's married to a former Miss India.
  15. @PiltdownMan

    Many Steve postings……. Tue, Jul 16 (5:39 PM) is the *peak* full moon.
     
    As noted above by a reader, the Indians are sending a rocket to the moon. Also, many Indian SJW related posts. What does it all mean?

    170 years ago it would have been a “Comanche moon”. Now, it’s a “Bangalore moon” just the same – they are coming to raid … jobs, housing developments, the culture, you name it.

  16. Take your kids into a toy shop and see what interests them, the boys will like guns and the girls will like pink dolls.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    See, that's another thing, Jim. If this guy really wanted to run a fair experiment on his kids, he and the wife should have spent more time at home WITH them. Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.
  17. Conform to fashions and your kids die. Bad tradeoff.

    Counterinsurgency

  18. @jim jones
    Take your kids into a toy shop and see what interests them, the boys will like guns and the girls will like pink dolls.

    See, that’s another thing, Jim. If this guy really wanted to run a fair experiment on his kids, he and the wife should have spent more time at home WITH them. Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Wilkey

    Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.
     
    When they withheld dolls from little girls and only gave them boys toys the girls wrapped a fire engine in a blanket and pretended it was a baby. And maternal instinct increases with age (almost as if it were biologically programmed). As girls get older they exhibit a distinct preferences for dolls that look more and more like babies.
  19. Shouldn’t Farhad change his name from Manjoo it Itjoo, or Theyjoo? I mean think of how rigid and binding his last name is:

    • Replies: @RickinJax
    And those houses behind him in the picture. Is that his neighborhood? The place reeks of patriarchal, heteronormativeness. He has unmasked himself. Attack!
    , @Known Fact
    Flaunting the privilege of living in a "leafy," "tree-lined" neighborhood.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Isn't this Anthony Weiner telling the babysitter 'call me?'
  20. That twitter exchange is the perfect embodiment of the coming Jewish/Asian ruling class.

    The Asian says something completely crazy, and the Jew says “not crazy enough!” and urges him further down the road of totally destroying legacy white America.

    iSteve has become a daily primer on PeterIke’s Law.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They’ve got to get by the blacks, Italians, and neuroatypical first.
    , @Known Fact
    Such is the proper role for today's Jewish female writer, while we guys are busy managing hedge funds, running sex islands and green-lighting movie sequels with non-binary superheroes.

    From the NYT: "Jennifer Schuessler is a culture reporter covering intellectual life and the world of ideas. She is based in New York." Gee, I never would have guessed.
  21. It really takes a certain type of dishonesty to be so determined not to notice things, mostly because that’s how they earns one’s living, I would guess…have some neighbors who are very devoted progressives, but even they have told me in conversation that pre-children they subscribed to the ‘gender is just a social construct’ rubbish but once they had a couple of kids they realized it was 100% BS. Normal people whose income doesn’t rely on spouting nonsense to attract clicks understand (for the most part) how the world works, but the class of people who earn their bread through advancing a narrative are essentially paid fabulists.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    Thundering Sneakers, a book by Prudence Mackintosh, is about a couple of naive University of Texas graduates who had bought into gender neutrality and were determined to raise their kids in that manner.

    Then they had three boys.

    According to the book blurb: “Thundering Sneakers begins the story of the Mackintosh boys. In these essays, Prudence Mackintosh describes the delights and terrors of living with little boys who are determined to be boys, despite the carefully nonsexist childrearing practices of the 1970s.”

    Much hilarity ensues.
  22. I bet no naughty Americans have ever made a joke about his horrifically gendered surname as it appears to English-speakers.
    Is it descriptive? Sort of like an “occupational surname”?

    • Replies: @Marcus
    It's quite the misnomer, subcons are scrawny or skinnyfat wimps, probably the least impressive physiques in the world
  23. Good q. In this specific instance it was to make a point about gender. But generally, I do gender them, I think only out of habit, uncertainty and norms.

    I’m not sure if we should get rid of all gendered words, or if we can. It’s complicated! I think pronouns are a good start

    Perhaps as an experiment, we abolish pronouns in the upcoming month of Thermidor, and see how it goes. Maybe we could construct a small guillotine in Times Square for old times sake, as well. Who knows, it may encourage new ways of thinking.

  24. Forty years ago, in my brief radical feminist phase, I tried non-gendered Christmas presents for my six-year-old daughter. Her big gift was a $100 tool set in a wooden box, really nice too. They were real tools! Oh, the weeping. Worst. Christmas. Evah. I had to go out the day after and buy dolls on sale. The tool set got dropped in the closet for a long time, but did finally get played with a lot. She (and her friends) learned to use a hammer and a screwdriver, and as a young woman she taught herself to re-wire light fixtures. But I learned a harsh lesson: trying to degender children is cruel and stupid.

  25. Perhaps Manjoo is actually pleased with his children’s normalcy, but wants to make sure that as many of their peers and future competitors have a weird gender or parental (preferably both!) hang up so his kids have an edge in life later on.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    I think this is largely correct. The weirdness they recommend is for other people, not their own. It’s the ideological equivalent of a plague-infested blanket these invaders are foisting on the natives.

    Their “generosity” is someone else’s genocide.
  26. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's immigrant Muslim parents make of Farhad's wishes for their grandchildren? For that matter, I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's wife, a doctor, makes of it?

    As an irrelevant aside, two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer's posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    https://i.imgur.com/mNuh3wg.jpg

    Re: Indian SJW invasion

    Asians continue to pour into the United States at incredible rates, at least 100,000
    immigrants from India and 100,000 from China per year (incl. illegals). India is
    adding 16-17 million to its population annually (and China 5-6 million) so that
    there is plenty more where that came from.

  27. @Arclight
    It really takes a certain type of dishonesty to be so determined not to notice things, mostly because that's how they earns one's living, I would guess...have some neighbors who are very devoted progressives, but even they have told me in conversation that pre-children they subscribed to the 'gender is just a social construct' rubbish but once they had a couple of kids they realized it was 100% BS. Normal people whose income doesn't rely on spouting nonsense to attract clicks understand (for the most part) how the world works, but the class of people who earn their bread through advancing a narrative are essentially paid fabulists.

    Thundering Sneakers, a book by Prudence Mackintosh, is about a couple of naive University of Texas graduates who had bought into gender neutrality and were determined to raise their kids in that manner.

    Then they had three boys.

    According to the book blurb: “Thundering Sneakers begins the story of the Mackintosh boys. In these essays, Prudence Mackintosh describes the delights and terrors of living with little boys who are determined to be boys, despite the carefully nonsexist childrearing practices of the 1970s.”

    Much hilarity ensues.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    What are these people thinking? That we are so evolved that we've broken free of the gender differences that are seen in basically all mammals?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Sounds like a modern rewrite of Saki's The Toys Of Peace

    http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/ToysPeac.shtml


    Harvey retreated to the library and spent some thirty or forty minutes in wondering whether it would be possible to compile a history, for use in elementary schools, in which there should be no prominent mention of battles, massacres, murderous intrigues, and violent deaths. The York and Lancaster period and the Napoleonic era would, he admitted to himself, present considerable difficulties, and the Thirty Years' War would entail something of a gap if you left it out altogether. Still, it would be something gained if, at a highly impressionable age, children could be got to fix their attention on the invention of calico printing instead of the Spanish Armada or the Battle of Waterloo.

    It was time, he thought, to go back to the boys' room, and see how they were getting on with their peace toys. As he stood outside the door he could hear Eric's voice raised in command; Bertie chimed in now and again with a helpful suggestion.

    "That is Louis the Fourteenth," Eric was saying, "that one in kneebreeches, that Uncle said invented Sunday schools. It isn't a bit like him, but it'll have to do."

    "We'll give him a purple coat from my paintbox by and by," said Bertie.

    "Yes, an' red heels. That is Madame de Maintenon, that one he called Mrs. Hemans. She begs Louis not to go on this expedition, but he turns a deaf ear. He takes Marshal Saxe with him, and we must pretend that they have thousands of men with them. The watchword is Qui vive? and the answer is L'etat c'est moi -- that was one of his favourite remarks, you know. They land at Manchester in the dead of the night, and a Jacobite conspirator gives them the keys of the fortress."

    Peeping in through the doorway Harvey observed that the municipal dustbin had been pierced with holes to accommodate the muzzles of imaginary cannon, and now represented the principal fortified position in Manchester; John Stuart Mill had been dipped in red ink, and apparently stood for Marshal Saxe.

    "Louis orders his troops to surround the Young Women's Christian Association and seize the lot of them. 'Once back at the Louvre and the girls are mine,' he exclaims. We must use Mrs. Hemans again for one of the girls; she says 'Never,' and stabs Marshal Saxe to the heart."

    "He bleeds dreadfully," exclaimed Bertie, splashing red ink liberally over the facade of the Association building.

    "The soldiers rush in and avenge his death with the utmost savagery. A hundred girls are killed" -- here Bertie emptied the remainder of the red ink over the devoted building --"and the surviving five hundred are dragged off to the French ships. 'I have lost a Marshal,' says Louis, 'but I do not go back empty-handed.'"

    Harvey stole away from the room, and sought out his sister.

    "Eleanor," he said, "the experiment --"

    "Yes?"

    "Has failed. We have begun too late."
     

  28. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's immigrant Muslim parents make of Farhad's wishes for their grandchildren? For that matter, I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's wife, a doctor, makes of it?

    As an irrelevant aside, two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer's posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    https://i.imgur.com/mNuh3wg.jpg

    As an irrelevant aside,

    It’s not at all irrelevant.

    two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer’s posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Yes, they both look like soy snakes. You can literally see the deceit and chicanery in their faces.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    “Nerd” suggests a certain ineffectiveness. The Indian SJWs are far from ineffective. They know exactly what they are doing, precisely who to team up with, and just who the designated enemy is.

    • Replies: @David
    If you think they're bad, look at the guy pictured at the end of this opinion peace in the "Hindu Business Line" newspaper. Reflections on Suketu Mehta by an admiring co-ethnic.

    Mehta asked the sector chief — who happened to be a devout Christian — how he reconciled his religious beliefs with such policies.

    The sector chief spoke of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise. “I go back to the original sin, to the Garden of Eden,” the man said. “There were consequences: They got deported out of the Garden of Eden, and God created a border around it.”

    I find this a rather incredible quote and had to re-read it several times as I raced through Mehta’s splendid book on global immigration and belonging, This Land Is Our Land. The sector chief likens his role to that of God, imposing the justice of borders on sinful mankind.
     
    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/talk/adam-eve-and-the-unholy-immigrant/article28401619.ece
  29. He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    Subcon liberals really are the bottom of the barrel: no original material, just parroting the whites they hate and sponge off while disingenuously jockeying for victimhood points.
    , @NYCTexan
    Exactly. I’m surprised Sailer is taking this huckster at face value. This is such an obvious case of do as I say not as I do.
    , @njguy73

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

     

    Maybe that's his point: if I can produce normal kids, anyone can.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    My thoughts exactly when I read this.

    Subcons are too deceitful for even Sailer. He gets fooled.

    ManJew is mocking white Americans and flexing on them.
    , @Pirelli
    I was just about to comment saying this was an obvious humble-brag. You should never take the things people like this say at face value. A couple years back I seem to remember Steve noting that today’s progressives are much more hypocritical than those of the 60s-70s (and further noting that this was a good thing). He needs to remember that when reading pieces like this one.
  30. That’s a charitable interpretation, Desidirius, but I think he’s just plain-jane insane.

  31. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Shouldn't Farhad change his name from Manjoo it Itjoo, or Theyjoo? I mean think of how rigid and binding his last name is:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/05/13/opinion/farhad-callout/farhad-callout-videoLarge-v4.jpg

    And those houses behind him in the picture. Is that his neighborhood? The place reeks of patriarchal, heteronormativeness. He has unmasked himself. Attack!

  32. @Desiderius
    He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    Subcon liberals really are the bottom of the barrel: no original material, just parroting the whites they hate and sponge off while disingenuously jockeying for victimhood points.

  33. @Expletive Deleted
    I bet no naughty Americans have ever made a joke about his horrifically gendered surname as it appears to English-speakers.
    Is it descriptive? Sort of like an "occupational surname"?

    It’s quite the misnomer, subcons are scrawny or skinnyfat wimps, probably the least impressive physiques in the world

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Oh, right. I was kind of fixating on the second syllable ..
  34. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions, their preferences and their identity, their very liberty, only to satisfy some collective abstraction.

    I feel for the guy. Think of how much freer his kids would be if they were back in India, unconstrained by Western collective abstractions like using a toilet.

    If they could only defectate in the streets at will…

    • Agree: bruce county
  35. I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions, their preferences and their identity,

    To have an identity is to be some specific thing. This necessarily means not being something else.

  36. @Logan
    my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms.

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.

    One of the environmentalists' favorite hobby horses is the Precautionary Principle. Basically, "Don't make any major change in the environment (such as introducing new chemicals) until you're able to demonstrate it won't have negative consequences."

    Let's ignore the fact this it's more or less impossible to implement. It says that we shouldn't make drastic changes to a complex system until we've thought thru the possible (intended and unintended) consequences. Not a bad idea, with the major problem that unintended consequences are also generally unforeseeable or at least unforeseen.

    For some, to me, unknown reason they never apply this principle to the social environment, which is infinitely more complex than the physical one. No, they're all in favor of "Hope and Change."

    IOW, let's Change things at random and Hope it all works out ok.

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.

    Or just perhaps – indulge this wild idea a minute – they are not gender norms at all, but rather actual sex differences dictated by biological realities.

    Crazy talk, I know.

  37. @Logan
    my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms.

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.

    One of the environmentalists' favorite hobby horses is the Precautionary Principle. Basically, "Don't make any major change in the environment (such as introducing new chemicals) until you're able to demonstrate it won't have negative consequences."

    Let's ignore the fact this it's more or less impossible to implement. It says that we shouldn't make drastic changes to a complex system until we've thought thru the possible (intended and unintended) consequences. Not a bad idea, with the major problem that unintended consequences are also generally unforeseeable or at least unforeseen.

    For some, to me, unknown reason they never apply this principle to the social environment, which is infinitely more complex than the physical one. No, they're all in favor of "Hope and Change."

    IOW, let's Change things at random and Hope it all works out ok.

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.

    Or just perhaps – indulge this wild idea a minute – they are not gender norms at all, but rather actual sex differences dictated by biological realities.

    Crazy talk, I know.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Or, they became gender norms because they derive from biological realities.

    Sex is biological. Humans have a great deal of variability in expressing sex via gender norms. You might call sex hardware and gender software.

    But no matter how hard you try, you can't get software to run on hardware than isn't compatible.

    Gender expression is quite variable, but by no means infinitely so.
  38. Yeah the Indian immigrant SJW is odd. His counterparts is the Indian true conservative who appears in National Review.

    No other group has such prominence in these ideological spaces. It seems that the few Chinese writers who show up are just assimilating and are kind of unoriginal. Sarah Jeong exhibited attitude and snark but she could never write anything as original as this, and the one event of her public speaking was more an advertisement of her as this sex bot than telling us something we didn’t already know.

    And no Chinese writers ever appear in National Review, except to be used as a martyr to hate on China, in which case whatever they write doesn’t matter just so long as they can be used to hate on China, which conservatives will do anyways for racial reasons when you get down to it.

  39. Deeply sad that the speculative intellectual theories of deconstruction and post modern thought helpful in teaching critical thinking are being used to squeeze nonsense into reality.

    Somethings should not be spoken into reality. And a parent who wants to convolute a child’;s existence with unsupportable speculation is protected by the luxury of circumstance and privilege. And this is what the Academy of Science wants to invite into classrooms.

    Empathy does not require jettisoning reality for real.

  40. I will quote the (not quite) greatest movie ever (and one that I realized was incredibly anti-WASP when I watched it as a grownup): “Walk on road, hm? Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later smoosh!”

    People who walk in the middle of the road get smooshed in life. 42% of gender “non-binary” people have attempted suicide. Bisexual women are vastly more likely to have anxiety, depression, and to have attempted suicide than either straights or lesbians. Ambidextrous people are vastly more likely to suffer from psychosis than either left-handed or right-handed people.

    Whether it’s handedness or sexuality or a whole lot of other things, your brain prefers for you to make up your mind. People whose brains don’t do so tend to have a shitload of struggles in life and, as the problems with handedness show, it has little or nothing to do with anything society is doing.

  41. @Achmed E. Newman
    See, that's another thing, Jim. If this guy really wanted to run a fair experiment on his kids, he and the wife should have spent more time at home WITH them. Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.

    Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.

    When they withheld dolls from little girls and only gave them boys toys the girls wrapped a fire engine in a blanket and pretended it was a baby. And maternal instinct increases with age (almost as if it were biologically programmed). As girls get older they exhibit a distinct preferences for dolls that look more and more like babies.

    • Replies: @anon
    Give an average boy a Barbie Doll and Barbie will spend her career gunning down injuns, nazis and japs, being hit with rocks, whitewater rafting, and falling from high places. Nothing personal, and nothing misogynistic, Barbie, but boys gotta do what they gotta do. You're not a doll anymore. You are an action figure.
  42. @Achmed E. Newman

    From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment ...
     
    Well, there's your problem right there - not that they turned out normal, but that you fed them all the marketing and entertainment off of the idiot plate (it's not really a box anymore since the flat screen). I had read that all the upper-middle class types, even, or expecially, those in the infotainment business, were keeping their little ones away from the screens to let their minds develop more intelligence (full discloser - not upper middle-class, but guilty as charged, you honor).

    In other words, Manjoo is mad that he doesn’t get to boast to the other woke parents about how non-binary his kids are.
     
    Between this fact that he cares more about his SJWism than he does his kids and the above, giving them access to the screens at a young age, I would say Mr. Magoo here doesn't really love his kids. He loves the Cultural Revolution more. Hopefully his kids will turn out the same and, when they get older and stronger, grab his stupid ass, put him on a stage and pour pig blood on him and call him "capitalist roader" in front of their class mates. It was a blast last time around!

    my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment

    That stood out to me as well, Achmed. I suppose Mr Manjew here approves of the current poisonous culture and thus has no problem parking his kids in front of a screen.

    Whereas in my household, for example, we won’t be watching Jumanji 2 since the cast was needlessly diversified.

  43. OT:

    For Amazon workers in Minnesota, Prime Day means protest

    …Brady’s fulfillment center in Shakopee, Minn., employs a large number of Muslim immigrants from East Africa who have been pushing for changes for nearly 18 months…

    …In 2018, Amazon workers in the Twin Cities area chanted “Yes we can” in Somali and English at a delivery center and asked management to reduce their workloads during the holy Ramadan fasts.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    *yawn*

    This was all predicted by the the 1973 novel, Le Camp des Saints.

    Highly recommended reading.
  44. Muslims have very strict sexually enforced norms. This display is nothing but contempt for the kafir. “Go ahead Christian West, here is a suggestion on destroying yourself, I’m so embarrassed my own family isn’t doing it, it’s so special, but you go do it”.

  45. Okay, but “they” is not singular, it’s plural. You sound crazy, like the Berkeley stabber, Pablo “They” Gomez, when you ask people to refer to you as “they.”

    English already has a perfectly good gender-free singular pronoun: “it.”

    So, from now on, you’re It.

    Exactly right.

  46. Tim says:

    The thing is . . . here’s the thing. Manjoo doesn’t believe any of this. It’s just a scam he’s running on The Good Whites. He knows that The Good Whites love to wrap themselves around the axle about all types of things, and he feeds them what they want.

    He did the same thing in March when he wrote about how he had “unplugged” for 3 months and only read the paper. He never unplugged and when called on it, she “clarified”.

    He’s raising his family in a happy healthy environment, then writing about his “angst”, and the Good Whites eat it up.

    I’m coming to the conclusion that Indians and Asians are muscling into the Social Justice Warrior careers and moving out the blacks from jobs set up for black Americans.

    How the F*CK did Vanity Gupta become the head of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ???

    That job should only go to a black American.

    These people are playing us for suckers.

  47. This has got to be a giant hoax.

    Manjoo? Are you kidding me?

    I find that having a body is a prison from which I cannot escape. I want no judgments, ever! on what I might say or do or feel or think. Who will save me from this body of death?

  48. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    David Peter Reimer (born Bruce Peter Reimer; 22 August 1965 – 4 May 2004) was a Canadian man born male but reassigned as a girl and raised female following medical advice and intervention after his penis was severely injured during a botched circumcision in infancy.[2]

    The psychologist John Money oversaw the case and reported the reassignment as successful and as evidence that gender identity is primarily learned. The academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer’s realization he was not a girl crystallized between the ages of 9 and 11 years[3] and he transitioned to living as a male at age 15. Well known in medical circles for years anonymously as the “John/Joan” case, Reimer later went public with his story to help discourage similar medical practices. He died by suicide after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and a troubled marriage.[4]

  49. Is it just me or are more comments being held up in moderation (randomly i might add) lately?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    It might be you, but it is definitely me. I like to think I am so clever and sharp - witted that ISteve likes to savor my comments all for himself for a bit. Like one of those-- I'll stop here.
    , @Pretzel Yardstick
    Yes. I left two comments on a piece by Audacious Epigone that are still waiting for approval after two days. Or maybe Mr. Epigone just didn't like my remarks.
  50. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Shouldn't Farhad change his name from Manjoo it Itjoo, or Theyjoo? I mean think of how rigid and binding his last name is:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/05/13/opinion/farhad-callout/farhad-callout-videoLarge-v4.jpg

    Flaunting the privilege of living in a “leafy,” “tree-lined” neighborhood.

  51. @peterike
    That twitter exchange is the perfect embodiment of the coming Jewish/Asian ruling class.

    The Asian says something completely crazy, and the Jew says "not crazy enough!" and urges him further down the road of totally destroying legacy white America.

    iSteve has become a daily primer on PeterIke's Law.

    They’ve got to get by the blacks, Italians, and neuroatypical first.

  52. @Desiderius
    He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    Exactly. I’m surprised Sailer is taking this huckster at face value. This is such an obvious case of do as I say not as I do.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He’s not. He’s doing agree and amplify in his own sardonic way.
  53. While you guys are arguing over “they” and “them” the Left is making “yours” into “theirs”.

  54. @peterike
    That twitter exchange is the perfect embodiment of the coming Jewish/Asian ruling class.

    The Asian says something completely crazy, and the Jew says "not crazy enough!" and urges him further down the road of totally destroying legacy white America.

    iSteve has become a daily primer on PeterIke's Law.

    Such is the proper role for today’s Jewish female writer, while we guys are busy managing hedge funds, running sex islands and green-lighting movie sequels with non-binary superheroes.

    From the NYT: “Jennifer Schuessler is a culture reporter covering intellectual life and the world of ideas. She is based in New York.” Gee, I never would have guessed.

  55. Okay, but “they” is not singular, it’s plural.

    Well, to be fair, “you” is treated as a plural, even when the “you” in question is one person. For example, Bond villain speaking to 007*: “You are aware, of course, that the half-life of radioactove cobalt….”

    *Now a Black woman….

    Lashana Lynch Is Next 007 In New James Bond Film, Report Says

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lashana-lynch-007-james-bond_n_5d2c59b1e4b02a5a5d5df896

    • Replies: @Tex
    I would argue that thou descends from the original singular second-person pronoun (compare with du [Ger] and tu [Fr, Sp]) in earlier forms of English. Something happened to make plural pronouns a mark of respect. Calling a stranger du in German is rudely familiar. A monarch speaks of themselves as we (We are not amused).

    So, no interest in it. That's very down class. They speak of themselves as we.
  56. it’s all bullshit- he’s a sociopath. He’s very happy HE has normal kids. He just wants other peoples kids to be abnormal.

    It’s quite depraved when you think about it.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn't himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself. Why would he want to "limit thoughts and ambitions, preferences and identity, his very liberty" by not experimenting with women's clothes, buggery, etc?
  57. @eah
    Don't lose hope -- he does appear willing to be reasonable.

    https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/1149119254190366720

    Every insane idea these people have is just a ‘start.’

  58. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Shouldn't Farhad change his name from Manjoo it Itjoo, or Theyjoo? I mean think of how rigid and binding his last name is:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/05/13/opinion/farhad-callout/farhad-callout-videoLarge-v4.jpg

    Isn’t this Anthony Weiner telling the babysitter ‘call me?’

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ok, now that was fuckin funny.

    Well done.
  59. Don’t worry, he’ll mess them up somehow. Can you imagine the daddy issues his daughter will have?

  60. Off-topic,

    Being Gay has really worked-out well for Alan Turing……

    New face of the Bank of England’s £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    Computer pioneer and codebreaker Alan Turing will feature on the new design of the Bank of England’s £50 note.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    It will be very confusing when English beggars ask for a spare cigarette.
  61. Also off-topic,

    The purge goes on….

    Top university split in row over erasing ‘racist’ science pioneers from the campus

    They were some of Britain’s greatest scientific pioneers. Based at University College London, they developed the first fingerprinting methods, the use of statistics in health and genetics research, early birth-control science and many other key technologies of the Victorian and Edwardian eras.

    But now these trailblazers – who include Francis Galton and Marie Stopes – are under investigation. A committee of inquiry has been set up by UCL to probe their links with eugenic causes and to consider if buildings, lecture theatres and libraries named after them should be re-titled.“UCL has launched the inquiry to ensure that its historical links to eugenics are properly examined,” said a spokeswoman.

    Those being investigated along with Galton, who developed the first weather maps, studied the inheritance of abilities, and devised ways to classify fingerprints, and Stopes, who established Britain’s first birth-control clinics, are: distinguished archaeologist Flinders Petrie and Karl Pearson, who founded the world’s first university statistics department at UCL.

    All of these researchers were committed eugenicists who believed there were superior races of humans who should be allowed to breed more freely than those from inferior races. Such views are considered deeply racist today and have led to calls for the removal of these scientists’ names from UCL buildings and rooms.

    On his website, Cain quotes from a letter from Galton to the Times, in 1873, in which he claimed Africans were “lazy, palavering savages” who didn’t deserve to keep the land of their birth. “That alone is enough, for me, to disqualify a person from honoured status,” states Cain. “I don’t want to teach in a room named for someone with such a view.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/13/ucl-inquiry-row-historical-racism-science-pioneers-rename-college-buildings

  62. In its Wikipedia entry, it is referred to as an “American journalist” although it was born in South Africa. It–the other it–would therefore be more “inclusive and flexible” to refer to it as an “African-American journalist”.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Wokepedia now has a fresh scoop on this dynamic journalist:

    “In July 2019, Manjoo published an opinion column for the Times stating that while they are cisgender, they prefer to be referred to with singular they pronouns.”

    , @anonymous
    Are they an African American (dashes are so five minutes ago) journalists?
  63. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Isn't this Anthony Weiner telling the babysitter 'call me?'

    Ok, now that was fuckin funny.

    Well done.

  64. But it was only when I had a son and a daughter of my own that I recognized how powerfully gendered constructs shape our development. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows.

    Day thirty-four: despite reattempting the calculation every twenty minutes for more than a month, I am still getting 4 when I add 2 and 2. I blame my own failure of revolutionary consciousness. I must remind myself of the heroic example of that which went before ourselves and refival my efforts.
    ———
    This brings up the horrifying example of the Canadian man who was raised as a girl after a botched circumcision but still always gravitated toward boy stuff. Why does this awful lesson have to be re-learned once again? Because of a lack of helicopter tours of oceanic beauty.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

  65. Yet another Indian parasite loose in the once-promised land.

    Anyone rightly disgusted by the money-for-nothing-and-celebrity-for-even-less status of the vast majority of Conservatism, Inc would probably require two Dramamine before examining the contributions, and overall worth , of subcontinental Indians in North America. (After first switching out their rose-colored glasses for corrective lenses, of course.)

    I notice that Manjoo is described as a “South African” whose family originated in India, and who skedaddled out of SA in the late 80s. (Nor was his the only one.)

    Hmmm….who else do we know who’ve crafted leaping off a sucked-dry host for fresher forms of sustenance into a malignant art form?

  66. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    For Amazon workers in Minnesota, Prime Day means protest

    ...Brady’s fulfillment center in Shakopee, Minn., employs a large number of Muslim immigrants from East Africa who have been pushing for changes for nearly 18 months...

    ...In 2018, Amazon workers in the Twin Cities area chanted “Yes we can” in Somali and English at a delivery center and asked management to reduce their workloads during the holy Ramadan fasts.
     

    *yawn*

    This was all predicted by the the 1973 novel, Le Camp des Saints.

    Highly recommended reading.

  67. I want Farhad should know, they is full of caca.

    At this point they are just taunting us. Anything gratuitously disruptive, any pointless distraction from the Horde Invasion, this is what WWT and WWH and WWP is all about.

  68. These people with their inane affectations are just bat-shit crazy. They cannot be engaged in meaningful discussion because they are essentially retarded by choice.

  69. Guess Trump cucked out on those ICE raids that were supposed to happen yesterday?

  70. • Replies: @Altai
    It's clickbait. Bond is retired at the start of the film and she is just given the 007 title in the meantime. The next Bond film without Daniel Craig will feature a male 007. And he'll probably still be played by a British or Irish actor. Lionsgate don't have much, they won't risk a backlash with Idris Elba.
  71. @Mr. Anon

    Or, possibly those gender norms serve very real and important purposes.
     
    Or just perhaps - indulge this wild idea a minute - they are not gender norms at all, but rather actual sex differences dictated by biological realities.

    Crazy talk, I know.

    Or, they became gender norms because they derive from biological realities.

    Sex is biological. Humans have a great deal of variability in expressing sex via gender norms. You might call sex hardware and gender software.

    But no matter how hard you try, you can’t get software to run on hardware than isn’t compatible.

    Gender expression is quite variable, but by no means infinitely so.

  72. @Achmed E. Newman
    Raised on full afternoons of non-stop Big Bang Theory on TBS?

    Raised on full afternoons of non-stop Big Bang Theory on TBS?

    Kunal Nayyar may have played a socially inept astrophysicist for twelve years, but in real life he’s married to a former Miss India.

  73. stifling prison of gender expectations. Let’s all use it.

    Stifling for whom?

  74. @Desiderius
    He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    Maybe that’s his point: if I can produce normal kids, anyone can.

  75. A verified twitter user with CalArts style cartoon of a goonishly smiling, prematurely bald man with glasses covering up his baldness with a literal fedora as an avatar named Farhad Manjoo who writes articles about calling his non-trans children they?

    Surely this man is another 4chan prank. He can’t possibly be real.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    The hat covers the prayer cap. Common practice.
    , @J.Ross
    That is not a fedora, that's a porkpie.
    Style is for men -- wait a minute, isn't Farhad Muslim?
  76. My spouse and I bumped our genitals together to conceive our children. I was, unfortunately, born without a uterus. My spouse and I discussed it, and they bravely volunteered to bear and give birth to them … No, my spouse didn’t give birth to theirselves, I mean theirself, I meant the children … Don’t you get it, now … Oh, never mind!

  77. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions,

    To the SJW mind, kids having their own preferences and making their own choices is a form of “limiting their thoughts.” That’s what’s sad.

    How do they think people are supposed to live their lives?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    They're not totally wrong: their goal is universal infantilization, and when you start to specialize you are choosing to get hood at one thing and abandoning others. It is feature not bug that they want you to stay on the other side of maturity's threshold.
    , @anonymous
    This man – who for the moment still wants to pretend he’s a parent – is shamelessly pimping his children. Why should their private lives be shared, their (purportedly stunted) sexuality exposed? Putting an innocent boy and girl into this as props for his selfish public display is shameful.
  78. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    I kind of miss the 1970s. If they had a fad where everyone was trying to get approval from ‘the crowd,’ they just bought pet rocks or mood rings. Now they try to get their kids’ gender surgically altered or have them felt up by trannies at Drag Queen Story hour. Fads were a lot less damaging to other people back then.

    Parents who do horrible things like this are trying to seek approval and validation from leftist elites, because these parents are emotionally unstable and immature. They never grew up properly on their own and have no normal sense of self. They try to form an identity by attaching themselves to radical ideologies, and in the 1960s, they would have gone off and joined a cult and dragged their kids along with them. They have no normal grounded sense of reality and should not be raising children at all.

    In a generation of two, we’re going to have a wave of ‘get-back’ memoirs from the kids about how their parents screwed them up for life.

  79. English already has a perfectly good gender-free singular pronoun: “it.”

    Neuter is just as much a gender as is masculine and feminine.

  80. With these non-binary crackpots, I’d settle for “We” if they insist on not saying” “I “, and I’d answer “ye”. Never for “they” , which is third person.

  81. Could be worse than some dweeb and his pronouns — and today it often is.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    And people tell me East Asians are "based" and that they are totally not like other minorities hahahah. They are just as bad
  82. Gender progressivism: Making children cry on Christmas morning since 1969.

    In The Failure of Feminism, Nicholas Davidson quoted a story about a single mother who was raising her son “gender neutral” with a list to distaff, eg, giving him dolls.

    Davidson’s succinct analysis: “Violence is being done to this child.” (p. 246)

    A capital-free review on Google Books:

    i honestly mean it with best intentions when i say this book is utterly offensive; i’m astounded that anyone allowed this man to write it, let alone publish it.
    ghastly.

  83. “They” is legion, when “they” possess an individual…

    • Replies: @anonymous
    They are No One.
    Many.
  84. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's immigrant Muslim parents make of Farhad's wishes for their grandchildren? For that matter, I wonder what Farhad Manjoo's wife, a doctor, makes of it?

    As an irrelevant aside, two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer's posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    https://i.imgur.com/mNuh3wg.jpg

    His face is missing something – maybe he should grow a Fu Manjoo?

  85. OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England’s £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself – he was not really “hounded to death by the authorities” as the myth goes. Also, while Turing’s work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many – in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , “[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man.” Turing was then 40 years old. There was no “affair” – the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn’t even gay – Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it’s a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Who says we won’t be seeing the Epstein sawbuck a decade down the road?
    , @J.Ross
    Turing contributed to society instead of parasitizing it, and I missed the part about Turing's international top shelf blackmail operation.
    , @syonredux
    It's all about WOKEMON points these days:

    The civil engineer, the science communicator or the physicist? That was the question Royal Bank of Scotland asked the public as part of its plans for a new £10 note in 2017. Science communicator Mary Somerville was declared the winner, beating the engineer Thomas Telford and the physicist James Clerk Maxwell – despite a row over rigging that delayed the announcement by a few days. The poll was supposed to be about choosing a Scot with significant achievements in science and innovation, but it became a question about gender.
     
    http://theconversation.com/our-obsession-with-scientists-on-bank-notes-is-wearing-thin-54619
    , @nebulafox
    Turing's achievements stand on their own ground, and are probably what he himself considered far more important in who he was than his sexuality.

    >When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it’s a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    Since homosexuality was illegal in Britain at the time, period, the age gap aspect was secondary. But Murray was 19 years old, not 14 or 15. That's perfectly legal adult territory. Not that I don't appreciate the double standard, but it isn't particularly apropos in this case.

    , @ATBOTL
    You sure are passionate about defending a fellow tribesmen who raped the children of the enemy tribe. I guess that makes you a good tribesman. Your war crime analogy is apt. Epstein, like yourself, is motivated by anti-white hate.
    , @ScarletNumber

    [Turing] was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he ... was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido)
     
    Yeah, I don't consider that to be mild punishment.

    a 19-year-old Manchester man
     
    So just because they are both teenagers you don't see a difference between a 19 year old and a 14 year old?
  86. @The Alarmist

    From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows.
     
    He needs to get with the programme: Dress the kiddies in Mao suits, take away the TV and hand them Kindles® or iPads® pre-loaded with the Chairman's Little Red Book, and get them rolling on more important things, like building A New America®.

    Research say juvenile male chimpanzees are more likely to play with “stereotypically” male toys and juvenile female chimpanzees with “stereotypically” female toys…

    https://animalwise.org/2012/01/26/born-this-way-gender-based-toy-preferences-in-primates/

    If this study fit the narrative literally everyone would know about it and it would be mentioned constantly.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Wow, dude, it is so un-PC to bring primatology into this; you're going to get us branded as racists as well.
  87. Since his wife is a real Dr, she can do the clitectomy on the little girl for free. And for the Neighbors as well. Nice.

  88. @Altai
    A verified twitter user with CalArts style cartoon of a goonishly smiling, prematurely bald man with glasses covering up his baldness with a literal fedora as an avatar named Farhad Manjoo who writes articles about calling his non-trans children they?

    Surely this man is another 4chan prank. He can't possibly be real.

    The hat covers the prayer cap. Common practice.

  89. @Marcus
    Is it just me or are more comments being held up in moderation (randomly i might add) lately?

    It might be you, but it is definitely me. I like to think I am so clever and sharp – witted that ISteve likes to savor my comments all for himself for a bit. Like one of those– I’ll stop here.

  90. @FPD72
    Thundering Sneakers, a book by Prudence Mackintosh, is about a couple of naive University of Texas graduates who had bought into gender neutrality and were determined to raise their kids in that manner.

    Then they had three boys.

    According to the book blurb: “Thundering Sneakers begins the story of the Mackintosh boys. In these essays, Prudence Mackintosh describes the delights and terrors of living with little boys who are determined to be boys, despite the carefully nonsexist childrearing practices of the 1970s.”

    Much hilarity ensues.

    What are these people thinking? That we are so evolved that we’ve broken free of the gender differences that are seen in basically all mammals?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    They are thinking that they want to normalize insanity so as not to make the insane feel bad. If we could get everyone to act insane then the insane would not stick out. There is probably less than 1% of the population that has an ambiguous gender identity (I'm excluding those who are suddenly ambiguous because it's fashionable this week). Even most gays and lesbians have no doubt as to their gender. They want to remake the whole world for the benefit of a handful of freaks.
  91. @Gollios
    Perhaps Manjoo is actually pleased with his children's normalcy, but wants to make sure that as many of their peers and future competitors have a weird gender or parental (preferably both!) hang up so his kids have an edge in life later on.

    I think this is largely correct. The weirdness they recommend is for other people, not their own. It’s the ideological equivalent of a plague-infested blanket these invaders are foisting on the natives.

    Their “generosity” is someone else’s genocide.

  92. Maybe Womanjoo should start cross dressing his kids to get them off this toxic idea of gender differences.

  93. [I]t was only when I had a son and a daughter of my own that I recognized how powerfully gendered constructs shape our development. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions, their preferences and their identity, their very liberty, only to satisfy some collective abstraction. And there’s little prospect for escape: Gender is a ubiquitous prison for the mind, reinforced everywhere, by everyone, and only rarely questioned.

    Mock him if you will, but I can attest from persona experience the validity of his position.

    For it was only when I had a cat and a dog of my own that I recognized how powerfully specied constructs shape our development. From their very earliest days, my pets, fed by marketing, entertainment, and (surely) their masters’ modelling, seemed to hem themselves into silly species norms. They gravitated to yarn and bones, climbing trees and fetching sticks, solitary stalking and frolicking in packs. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions, their preferences and their identity, their very liberty, only to satisfy some collective abstraction. And there’s little prospect for escape: Species is a ubiquitous prison for the mind, reinforced everywhere, by everyone, and only rarely questioned.

    Truly, biological diversity is a plague upon us all!

  94. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    Who says we won’t be seeing the Epstein sawbuck a decade down the road?

  95. @Arclight
    What are these people thinking? That we are so evolved that we've broken free of the gender differences that are seen in basically all mammals?

    They are thinking that they want to normalize insanity so as not to make the insane feel bad. If we could get everyone to act insane then the insane would not stick out. There is probably less than 1% of the population that has an ambiguous gender identity (I’m excluding those who are suddenly ambiguous because it’s fashionable this week). Even most gays and lesbians have no doubt as to their gender. They want to remake the whole world for the benefit of a handful of freaks.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    To your point there was just a "Mental Illness Pride" event in Boston.
  96. 3331694

    Lmao, I can’t believe this got through

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Apparently it didn't.
  97. @Bardon Kaldian
    Too Muslim & too brown for my taste:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/fashion/weddings/22bailey.html

    He really could’ve gotten a better looking girl..yikes. She sounds smart and all, but her (lack of) beauty on the other hand…..

  98. @peterike
    As an irrelevant aside,

    It's not at all irrelevant.

    two of the problematic-subcontinental subjects of Mr. Sailer’s posts from the last two days, Saikat Chakrabarti and Farhad Manjoo, look similar.

    Yes, they both look like soy snakes. You can literally see the deceit and chicanery in their faces.

    Must be some sort of nerd Indian SJW invasion going on.

    "Nerd" suggests a certain ineffectiveness. The Indian SJWs are far from ineffective. They know exactly what they are doing, precisely who to team up with, and just who the designated enemy is.

    If you think they’re bad, look at the guy pictured at the end of this opinion peace in the “Hindu Business Line” newspaper. Reflections on Suketu Mehta by an admiring co-ethnic.

    Mehta asked the sector chief — who happened to be a devout Christian — how he reconciled his religious beliefs with such policies.

    The sector chief spoke of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise. “I go back to the original sin, to the Garden of Eden,” the man said. “There were consequences: They got deported out of the Garden of Eden, and God created a border around it.”

    I find this a rather incredible quote and had to re-read it several times as I raced through Mehta’s splendid book on global immigration and belonging, This Land Is Our Land. The sector chief likens his role to that of God, imposing the justice of borders on sinful mankind.

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/talk/adam-eve-and-the-unholy-immigrant/article28401619.ece

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  99. @NYCTexan
    Exactly. I’m surprised Sailer is taking this huckster at face value. This is such an obvious case of do as I say not as I do.

    He’s not. He’s doing agree and amplify in his own sardonic way.

  100. @a reader
    Meanwhile, India overtakes the U.S.A.

    We did this decades ago, and plumbing was normal, even for our poor. If this is “overtaking” then I am a lot less worried about the Chinese Century.

  101. @Jack D
    They are thinking that they want to normalize insanity so as not to make the insane feel bad. If we could get everyone to act insane then the insane would not stick out. There is probably less than 1% of the population that has an ambiguous gender identity (I'm excluding those who are suddenly ambiguous because it's fashionable this week). Even most gays and lesbians have no doubt as to their gender. They want to remake the whole world for the benefit of a handful of freaks.

    To your point there was just a “Mental Illness Pride” event in Boston.

  102. “…the stifling prison of gender expectations…”
    Good lord, that sounds worse than the Gulag Solzhenitsyn survived.

  103. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    Turing contributed to society instead of parasitizing it, and I missed the part about Turing’s international top shelf blackmail operation.

  104. “The singular “they” is inclusive and flexible, and it breaks the stifling prison of gender expectations.”

    Just think of all the other expectation prisons we could break. The expectation that everyone should behave lawfully. The expectation that every American should support themselves with paid work. The expectation that everyone you meet here in the USA speaks English and followed American law in entering the country if they weren’t born here. The expectation that guests in America would treat citizens respectfully.

  105. @Hypnotoad666

    They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions,
     
    To the SJW mind, kids having their own preferences and making their own choices is a form of "limiting their thoughts." That's what's sad.

    How do they think people are supposed to live their lives?

    They’re not totally wrong: their goal is universal infantilization, and when you start to specialize you are choosing to get hood at one thing and abandoning others. It is feature not bug that they want you to stay on the other side of maturity’s threshold.

  106. @Altai
    A verified twitter user with CalArts style cartoon of a goonishly smiling, prematurely bald man with glasses covering up his baldness with a literal fedora as an avatar named Farhad Manjoo who writes articles about calling his non-trans children they?

    Surely this man is another 4chan prank. He can't possibly be real.

    That is not a fedora, that’s a porkpie.
    Style is for men — wait a minute, isn’t Farhad Muslim?

  107. @FPD72
    Thundering Sneakers, a book by Prudence Mackintosh, is about a couple of naive University of Texas graduates who had bought into gender neutrality and were determined to raise their kids in that manner.

    Then they had three boys.

    According to the book blurb: “Thundering Sneakers begins the story of the Mackintosh boys. In these essays, Prudence Mackintosh describes the delights and terrors of living with little boys who are determined to be boys, despite the carefully nonsexist childrearing practices of the 1970s.”

    Much hilarity ensues.

    Sounds like a modern rewrite of Saki’s The Toys Of Peace

    http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/ToysPeac.shtml

    Harvey retreated to the library and spent some thirty or forty minutes in wondering whether it would be possible to compile a history, for use in elementary schools, in which there should be no prominent mention of battles, massacres, murderous intrigues, and violent deaths. The York and Lancaster period and the Napoleonic era would, he admitted to himself, present considerable difficulties, and the Thirty Years’ War would entail something of a gap if you left it out altogether. Still, it would be something gained if, at a highly impressionable age, children could be got to fix their attention on the invention of calico printing instead of the Spanish Armada or the Battle of Waterloo.

    It was time, he thought, to go back to the boys’ room, and see how they were getting on with their peace toys. As he stood outside the door he could hear Eric’s voice raised in command; Bertie chimed in now and again with a helpful suggestion.

    “That is Louis the Fourteenth,” Eric was saying, “that one in kneebreeches, that Uncle said invented Sunday schools. It isn’t a bit like him, but it’ll have to do.”

    “We’ll give him a purple coat from my paintbox by and by,” said Bertie.

    “Yes, an’ red heels. That is Madame de Maintenon, that one he called Mrs. Hemans. She begs Louis not to go on this expedition, but he turns a deaf ear. He takes Marshal Saxe with him, and we must pretend that they have thousands of men with them. The watchword is Qui vive? and the answer is L’etat c’est moi — that was one of his favourite remarks, you know. They land at Manchester in the dead of the night, and a Jacobite conspirator gives them the keys of the fortress.”

    Peeping in through the doorway Harvey observed that the municipal dustbin had been pierced with holes to accommodate the muzzles of imaginary cannon, and now represented the principal fortified position in Manchester; John Stuart Mill had been dipped in red ink, and apparently stood for Marshal Saxe.

    “Louis orders his troops to surround the Young Women’s Christian Association and seize the lot of them. ‘Once back at the Louvre and the girls are mine,’ he exclaims. We must use Mrs. Hemans again for one of the girls; she says ‘Never,’ and stabs Marshal Saxe to the heart.”

    “He bleeds dreadfully,” exclaimed Bertie, splashing red ink liberally over the facade of the Association building.

    “The soldiers rush in and avenge his death with the utmost savagery. A hundred girls are killed” — here Bertie emptied the remainder of the red ink over the devoted building –“and the surviving five hundred are dragged off to the French ships. ‘I have lost a Marshal,’ says Louis, ‘but I do not go back empty-handed.’”

    Harvey stole away from the room, and sought out his sister.

    “Eleanor,” he said, “the experiment –”

    “Yes?”

    “Has failed. We have begun too late.”

  108. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Rather than setting them in front of the idiot plate, they should have bought a big collection of girls and boys toys from yard sales, if need be, and seen which ones each ended up playing with.
     
    When they withheld dolls from little girls and only gave them boys toys the girls wrapped a fire engine in a blanket and pretended it was a baby. And maternal instinct increases with age (almost as if it were biologically programmed). As girls get older they exhibit a distinct preferences for dolls that look more and more like babies.

    Give an average boy a Barbie Doll and Barbie will spend her career gunning down injuns, nazis and japs, being hit with rocks, whitewater rafting, and falling from high places. Nothing personal, and nothing misogynistic, Barbie, but boys gotta do what they gotta do. You’re not a doll anymore. You are an action figure.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You’re not a doll anymore. You are an action figure.
     
    Best political spot ever. It even left the candidate free to campaign elsewhere during production.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjU948M0ARw

  109. @Marcus
    It's quite the misnomer, subcons are scrawny or skinnyfat wimps, probably the least impressive physiques in the world

    Oh, right. I was kind of fixating on the second syllable ..

  110. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    It’s all about WOKEMON points these days:

    The civil engineer, the science communicator or the physicist? That was the question Royal Bank of Scotland asked the public as part of its plans for a new £10 note in 2017. Science communicator Mary Somerville was declared the winner, beating the engineer Thomas Telford and the physicist James Clerk Maxwell – despite a row over rigging that delayed the announcement by a few days. The poll was supposed to be about choosing a Scot with significant achievements in science and innovation, but it became a question about gender.

    http://theconversation.com/our-obsession-with-scientists-on-bank-notes-is-wearing-thin-54619

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    A "science communicator" seriously beat James Clerk Maxwell?!

    Any faith in humanity I have is rapidly diminishing by the day.

  111. @syonredux

    Okay, but “they” is not singular, it’s plural.
     
    Well, to be fair, "you" is treated as a plural, even when the "you" in question is one person. For example, Bond villain speaking to 007*: "You are aware, of course, that the half-life of radioactove cobalt...."

    *Now a Black woman....


    Lashana Lynch Is Next 007 In New James Bond Film, Report Says


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lashana-lynch-007-james-bond_n_5d2c59b1e4b02a5a5d5df896

    I would argue that thou descends from the original singular second-person pronoun (compare with du [Ger] and tu [Fr, Sp]) in earlier forms of English. Something happened to make plural pronouns a mark of respect. Calling a stranger du in German is rudely familiar. A monarch speaks of themselves as we (We are not amused).

    So, no interest in it. That’s very down class. They speak of themselves as we.

  112. anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions,
     
    To the SJW mind, kids having their own preferences and making their own choices is a form of "limiting their thoughts." That's what's sad.

    How do they think people are supposed to live their lives?

    This man – who for the moment still wants to pretend he’s a parent – is shamelessly pimping his children. Why should their private lives be shared, their (purportedly stunted) sexuality exposed? Putting an innocent boy and girl into this as props for his selfish public display is shameful.

  113. anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    In its Wikipedia entry, it is referred to as an "American journalist" although it was born in South Africa. It--the other it--would therefore be more "inclusive and flexible" to refer to it as an "African-American journalist".

    Wokepedia now has a fresh scoop on this dynamic journalist:

    “In July 2019, Manjoo published an opinion column for the Times stating that while they are cisgender, they prefer to be referred to with singular they pronouns.”

  114. Finnish embassies are having a blast promoting the gender neutral third person pronoun “hän”. https://finland.fi/han/

    But in spoken finnish the pronoun “se” , the equivalent of “it” is prevalently used. “Se” is used for animals as well as for humans of any gender. It’s not in anyway disrespectful. Using the more formal “hän” seems hostile. So if we finns can call third persons it, why can’t you english speakers and be done with it.

    I refer to my parent, grandparents, my significant other as “it”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But in spoken Finnish the pronoun “se” , the equivalent of “it” is prevalently used. “Se” is used for animals as well as for humans of any gender.
     
    I noticed this in Finland back in the mid-'80s. I thought it was a weird fad, like orange crew cuts on teenage girls. Evidently not.
  115. @syonredux
    It's all about WOKEMON points these days:

    The civil engineer, the science communicator or the physicist? That was the question Royal Bank of Scotland asked the public as part of its plans for a new £10 note in 2017. Science communicator Mary Somerville was declared the winner, beating the engineer Thomas Telford and the physicist James Clerk Maxwell – despite a row over rigging that delayed the announcement by a few days. The poll was supposed to be about choosing a Scot with significant achievements in science and innovation, but it became a question about gender.
     
    http://theconversation.com/our-obsession-with-scientists-on-bank-notes-is-wearing-thin-54619

    A “science communicator” seriously beat James Clerk Maxwell?!

    Any faith in humanity I have is rapidly diminishing by the day.

  116. Arabian Nights : when I was stationed in Bahrain 1974-1977 , I (27) lived in the community because I was married . Anyway I became friendly with some of the neighbors . In the dusk I used to pass between two homes frequently . Occasionally as I would navigate that narrow passage this young local girl maybe 16 who lived in the building on the right would pass by . After a while we would greet one other “assalamu alaikum” ,”Wa alaykumu as-salam” . She wore a burka , you know , only her dusky eyes outlined in kohl . You know how she embodied all that is sensual , she seemed to float down that mundane dark ocher lane between two black walls ? I asked her name once “Aisha” . I wish I could paint . assalamu alaikum Aisha .
    Arabian Days : So I became friendly with this young guy my age , Abd al-Rahman . In Bahrain the ruling family were Arab Sunnis but the majority of the pop. were of Persian Shia extraction . BUT there was also a community of Persian Sunnis who had emigrated from Persia to Bahrain to escape persecution from the majority Shia . Anyway Abd al-Rahman’s family was from this community . Abd al-Rahman’s father was a barber . One day he went to meet his father after his shop closed to accompany him home . His father had called for a cab to take him home , at the same moment that the cab showed up a friend of his who also drove a cab also “happened” to pull up . My friends father paid the cab he had called the appropriate fare and had his friend drive him home and of course paid him the fare as well . Because Allah had said that one should not cause dissension among the believers .
    I don’t want no Muzzies in America in numbers , I’m not ashamed of that , I am ashamed of the part we have played in bringing death destruction and chaos to their lands . In ancient times one of the worst ways that a community could offend the Gods was to wage an unjust war .

  117. My Mennonite sister married a Quaker. When they had my nephew, there were no toy guns, no army men, GI Joe’s, no violent TV shows and he was home schooled. But it didn’t long when he played, a stick a branch etc., became a gun. Now he’s adult and has at least one black rifle, a hunting rifle and several pistols……lol

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I had no gun toys as a child and am now a gun nut.
    Penn and Teller did an episode seeking proof that video games turn kids into killers and, when they have a very young kid fire a rifle for the first time, he cries. We know from Joe Biden's play-ignorant advice to avoid a highly ergonomic low-recoil small caliber rifle in favor of a shotgun that deliberate bad first experiences are on the minds of gun grabbers. So the parents, rather than keeping the guns away, are really just accommodating their own neuroses.
  118. @L Woods
    Speaking of clown world: https://m.eonline.com/news/1056708/lashana-lynch-makes-history-with-007-role-for-bond-25

    Please tell me this is a joke.

    It’s clickbait. Bond is retired at the start of the film and she is just given the 007 title in the meantime. The next Bond film without Daniel Craig will feature a male 007. And he’ll probably still be played by a British or Irish actor. Lionsgate don’t have much, they won’t risk a backlash with Idris Elba.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Bond girls used to be a standard of cinematic beauty and, as with other activist-castings like a stage adaptation of Harry Potter, they are insisting on ... this degree of beauty.
  119. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    Turing’s achievements stand on their own ground, and are probably what he himself considered far more important in who he was than his sexuality.

    >When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it’s a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    Since homosexuality was illegal in Britain at the time, period, the age gap aspect was secondary. But Murray was 19 years old, not 14 or 15. That’s perfectly legal adult territory. Not that I don’t appreciate the double standard, but it isn’t particularly apropos in this case.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  120. @Anon
    My view is that when you choose between he and they, you either choose to look sexist (he) or stupid and uneducated (they). I choose to look sexist. In contexts where I really don't want to look sexist, I can always fall back on he or she, which makes me look unsexist, yet pedantic.

    And remember everyone: indefinite pronouns are singular and take he.

    And remember everyone: indefinite pronouns are singular and take he.

    1. “Everyone has his excuse for behaving the way he does.”
    2. “Everyone has their excuse for behaving the way they do.”

    I go for #1 but it is not in popular usage these days.

    Whoever wants to argue about this, they certainly will do so.
    Whoever wants to argue about this, he certainly will do so.

    Whenever I hear the old grammar usage, I right away think of William Buckley.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    "Every dog has his or her day."

    Sounds bitchy to me.
  121. @Altai
    It's clickbait. Bond is retired at the start of the film and she is just given the 007 title in the meantime. The next Bond film without Daniel Craig will feature a male 007. And he'll probably still be played by a British or Irish actor. Lionsgate don't have much, they won't risk a backlash with Idris Elba.

    Bond girls used to be a standard of cinematic beauty and, as with other activist-castings like a stage adaptation of Harry Potter, they are insisting on … this degree of beauty.

  122. @George Taylor
    My Mennonite sister married a Quaker. When they had my nephew, there were no toy guns, no army men, GI Joe's, no violent TV shows and he was home schooled. But it didn't long when he played, a stick a branch etc., became a gun. Now he's adult and has at least one black rifle, a hunting rifle and several pistols......lol

    I had no gun toys as a child and am now a gun nut.
    Penn and Teller did an episode seeking proof that video games turn kids into killers and, when they have a very young kid fire a rifle for the first time, he cries. We know from Joe Biden’s play-ignorant advice to avoid a highly ergonomic low-recoil small caliber rifle in favor of a shotgun that deliberate bad first experiences are on the minds of gun grabbers. So the parents, rather than keeping the guns away, are really just accommodating their own neuroses.

  123. @David
    If you think they're bad, look at the guy pictured at the end of this opinion peace in the "Hindu Business Line" newspaper. Reflections on Suketu Mehta by an admiring co-ethnic.

    Mehta asked the sector chief — who happened to be a devout Christian — how he reconciled his religious beliefs with such policies.

    The sector chief spoke of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise. “I go back to the original sin, to the Garden of Eden,” the man said. “There were consequences: They got deported out of the Garden of Eden, and God created a border around it.”

    I find this a rather incredible quote and had to re-read it several times as I raced through Mehta’s splendid book on global immigration and belonging, This Land Is Our Land. The sector chief likens his role to that of God, imposing the justice of borders on sinful mankind.
     
    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/talk/adam-eve-and-the-unholy-immigrant/article28401619.ece

    Thanks.

  124. @Danindc
    it’s all bullshit- he’s a sociopath. He’s very happy HE has normal kids. He just wants other peoples kids to be abnormal.

    It’s quite depraved when you think about it.

    I agree. A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn’t himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself. Why would he want to “limit thoughts and ambitions, preferences and identity, his very liberty” by not experimenting with women’s clothes, buggery, etc?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn’t himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself.
     
    He did, at least once.

    Men Should Wear Makeup
    by Farhad Manjoo
     
    , @ATBOTL
    How sure are we that they isn't another Buzz Bissinger?
  125. @The Alarmist

    From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows.
     
    He needs to get with the programme: Dress the kiddies in Mao suits, take away the TV and hand them Kindles® or iPads® pre-loaded with the Chairman's Little Red Book, and get them rolling on more important things, like building A New America®.

    Future Gen Z right-wing backlash kiddos coming up? Teens already think that their parents are embarrassing, but when their parents are this absurd then the sentiment might be held more strongly and persistently.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Thank god if there is backlash from our kids, because they will be less likely to torture us before they smother us in our sleep so they inherit a place to live, as opposed to the treatment so many have experienced in the old folks homes at the hands of imported "care" workers.
  126. @Anonymousse
    Research say juvenile male chimpanzees are more likely to play with “stereotypically” male toys and juvenile female chimpanzees with “stereotypically” female toys...

    https://animalwise.org/2012/01/26/born-this-way-gender-based-toy-preferences-in-primates/

    If this study fit the narrative literally everyone would know about it and it would be mentioned constantly.

    Wow, dude, it is so un-PC to bring primatology into this; you’re going to get us branded as racists as well.

  127. @The Alarmist

    From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’ modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows.
     
    He needs to get with the programme: Dress the kiddies in Mao suits, take away the TV and hand them Kindles® or iPads® pre-loaded with the Chairman's Little Red Book, and get them rolling on more important things, like building A New America®.

    Nice boomer take.

    Seen a pride parade lately?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Strangely enough, I have not.

    Do tell.
  128. @Lockean Proviso
    Future Gen Z right-wing backlash kiddos coming up? Teens already think that their parents are embarrassing, but when their parents are this absurd then the sentiment might be held more strongly and persistently.

    Thank god if there is backlash from our kids, because they will be less likely to torture us before they smother us in our sleep so they inherit a place to live, as opposed to the treatment so many have experienced in the old folks homes at the hands of imported “care” workers.

  129. @Franb Kurly
    Finnish embassies are having a blast promoting the gender neutral third person pronoun "hän". https://finland.fi/han/

    But in spoken finnish the pronoun "se" , the equivalent of "it" is prevalently used. "Se" is used for animals as well as for humans of any gender. It's not in anyway disrespectful. Using the more formal "hän" seems hostile. So if we finns can call third persons it, why can't you english speakers and be done with it.

    I refer to my parent, grandparents, my significant other as "it".

    But in spoken Finnish the pronoun “se” , the equivalent of “it” is prevalently used. “Se” is used for animals as well as for humans of any gender.

    I noticed this in Finland back in the mid-’80s. I thought it was a weird fad, like orange crew cuts on teenage girls. Evidently not.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In English, we often use "it" for a newborn or very young baby. "Congratualations! It's a girl!"
  130. @eah
    Don't lose hope -- he does appear willing to be reasonable.

    https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/1149119254190366720

    That’s a shocking admission from Farhad: ” I do gender them.”

  131. @Reg Cæsar

    But in spoken Finnish the pronoun “se” , the equivalent of “it” is prevalently used. “Se” is used for animals as well as for humans of any gender.
     
    I noticed this in Finland back in the mid-'80s. I thought it was a weird fad, like orange crew cuts on teenage girls. Evidently not.

    In English, we often use “it” for a newborn or very young baby. “Congratualations! It’s a girl!”

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    When someone knocks on the door we say “who is it?”, not “who are you?”
  132. Steve Sailer:

    “You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender.”

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: “Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane”. That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen’t physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it “normal” in one gender but “insanity” in the other? Point is, your definition of “insanity” is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of “normalcy”, but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who’s behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    You serve as the clearest proof that not every being on this Earth has a purpose.
    , @anonymous
    I hope that you’re not a parent. Can’t you see that this man has violated the trust of his two children?
    , @Liza

    Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior [sic] like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy.
     
    They may not be serial killers but trannies do have a pretty high suicide rate, even when they have been given everything they want at public expense: drug therapy, surgery, counselling, etc.

    Men-to-women changelings are allowed to compete against real women in sports competitions and of course they usually come out the winner. This is unfair yet they continue to have their sports victories handed to them on a platter. Still, they bitch endlessly about all and sundry. If these fake women had any morals they would never compete against normal females. This is unkind, nasty behavior - not at all sporting. Indeed, I would say this is the action of a sociopath.

    The high suicide rate by trans sexuals is not caused by "society". Society caters to them without end.
    , @peterike

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl?

     

    Oh I dunno, maybe the entire history of the human race proving just that?

    Honestly, your opener was so imbecilic that I stopped reading right there.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health.
     
    What is intrinsically same and healthy about a
    primate liking to be a primate, and a reptile liking to be a reptile? There is no logical or physiological correlation between taxonomy class-conformism and health.

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8798494.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Woman-gets-ears-removed-to-look-like-rattlesnake.jpg

  133. @Desiderius
    He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    My thoughts exactly when I read this.

    Subcons are too deceitful for even Sailer. He gets fooled.

    ManJew is mocking white Americans and flexing on them.

  134. Imagine having two words forcibly reduced to one and thinking the latter is liberating and the former akin to imprisonment.

  135. @Steve Sailer
    In English, we often use "it" for a newborn or very young baby. "Congratualations! It's a girl!"

    When someone knocks on the door we say “who is it?”, not “who are you?”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Well, you can say "Who are you?" But "Who is it?" is normal and shows that English uses "it" when the sex is uncertain: brand new baby, somebody knocking on the other side of the door, etc. We use and he and she as signs of respect that we know and care to know enough about you to get your sex right.

    It's a little bit like how we used to pay careful attention to the marital status of women: Miss vs. Mrs. But I was pleased when I started my corporate career in 1982 that I didn't have to remember whether to address a letter to Jane Smith at General Foods as Miss or Mrs Jane Smith. By 1982, Ms. Jane Smith was fashionable.

  136. “Why need we distinguish between male and female? Both eventually lead to the same stimulation in our pleasure centers through causal chains of productive activity.”

    – Globohomo Lizard People

  137. Gender progressivism: Making children cry on Christmas morning since 1969.

    1969? I would put the date later. Sometime during the Obama years. When the whole country began to go nuts.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Oh yeah, everything was just great until Obama came along. You can’t possibly be for real
  138. @Foreign Expert
    When someone knocks on the door we say “who is it?”, not “who are you?”

    Well, you can say “Who are you?” But “Who is it?” is normal and shows that English uses “it” when the sex is uncertain: brand new baby, somebody knocking on the other side of the door, etc. We use and he and she as signs of respect that we know and care to know enough about you to get your sex right.

    It’s a little bit like how we used to pay careful attention to the marital status of women: Miss vs. Mrs. But I was pleased when I started my corporate career in 1982 that I didn’t have to remember whether to address a letter to Jane Smith at General Foods as Miss or Mrs Jane Smith. By 1982, Ms. Jane Smith was fashionable.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    It (pardon the expression) was common in the Victorian era to refer to young children as it.


    Victorian Gender Pronouns




    The gender-neutral pronoun: 150 years later, still an epic fail

    And why, out of all the beasts in the barnyard, do we choose the lowly goat to refer to our offspring?

    Please Say Children, Not Kids
  139. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender."

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: "Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane". That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen't physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it "normal" in one gender but "insanity" in the other? Point is, your definition of "insanity" is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of "normalcy", but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who's behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    You serve as the clearest proof that not every being on this Earth has a purpose.

  140. @Cato

    Gender progressivism: Making children cry on Christmas morning since 1969.
     
    1969? I would put the date later. Sometime during the Obama years. When the whole country began to go nuts.

    Oh yeah, everything was just great until Obama came along. You can’t possibly be for real

    • Replies: @Cato
    In my world, gender hysteria didn't seem to be a thing until about the time of Obama. Maybe it happened earlier in your neck of the Woods.
  141. I’m sure he’s aware (sorry: “they” are aware) that there are already dozens of languages on Earth that have no gender. For instance, Farsi, the language of Iran for thousands of years, has no gender. “It” And “he” and “she” are the same word. And look how effective that non-gendered discourse has been in erasing binary gender stereotypes in the Islamic Republic!

  142. I once was in a seminar when an 18 year old Asian male asked everyone to use the pronoun “they” when referring to him.

    I asked him if we should say “they is” or “they are”. He said “they are”. I said, “I’m confused. How many of you are there? I only see one.” He wasn’t quite as amused as everyone else.

  143. @Desiderius
    He’s neither mad nor ashamed.

    He’s humble bragging about how normal his kids are despite the stupid woke white religion he now has to perform to get ahead and BTW how about that performance. Nailed it if he doesn’t say so himself.

    I was just about to comment saying this was an obvious humble-brag. You should never take the things people like this say at face value. A couple years back I seem to remember Steve noting that today’s progressives are much more hypocritical than those of the 60s-70s (and further noting that this was a good thing). He needs to remember that when reading pieces like this one.

  144. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam
    "They" is legion, when "they" possess an individual...

    They are No One.
    Many.

  145. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    In its Wikipedia entry, it is referred to as an "American journalist" although it was born in South Africa. It--the other it--would therefore be more "inclusive and flexible" to refer to it as an "African-American journalist".

    Are they an African American (dashes are so five minutes ago) journalists?

  146. @L Woods
    Oh yeah, everything was just great until Obama came along. You can’t possibly be for real

    In my world, gender hysteria didn’t seem to be a thing until about the time of Obama. Maybe it happened earlier in your neck of the Woods.

  147. @L Woods
    Lmao, I can’t believe this got through

    Apparently it didn’t.

  148. @eah
    Could be worse than some dweeb and his pronouns -- and today it often is.

    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1149723485150691329

    And people tell me East Asians are “based” and that they are totally not like other minorities hahahah. They are just as bad

  149. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender."

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: "Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane". That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen't physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it "normal" in one gender but "insanity" in the other? Point is, your definition of "insanity" is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of "normalcy", but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who's behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    I hope that you’re not a parent. Can’t you see that this man has violated the trust of his two children?

  150. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Being Gay has really worked-out well for Alan Turing......


    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    Computer pioneer and codebreaker Alan Turing will feature on the new design of the Bank of England's £50 note.
     
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    It will be very confusing when English beggars ask for a spare cigarette.

  151. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender."

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: "Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane". That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen't physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it "normal" in one gender but "insanity" in the other? Point is, your definition of "insanity" is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of "normalcy", but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who's behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior [sic] like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy.

    They may not be serial killers but trannies do have a pretty high suicide rate, even when they have been given everything they want at public expense: drug therapy, surgery, counselling, etc.

    Men-to-women changelings are allowed to compete against real women in sports competitions and of course they usually come out the winner. This is unfair yet they continue to have their sports victories handed to them on a platter. Still, they bitch endlessly about all and sundry. If these fake women had any morals they would never compete against normal females. This is unkind, nasty behavior – not at all sporting. Indeed, I would say this is the action of a sociopath.

    The high suicide rate by trans sexuals is not caused by “society”. Society caters to them without end.

  152. @Marcus
    Is it just me or are more comments being held up in moderation (randomly i might add) lately?

    Yes. I left two comments on a piece by Audacious Epigone that are still waiting for approval after two days. Or maybe Mr. Epigone just didn’t like my remarks.

  153. @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn't himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself. Why would he want to "limit thoughts and ambitions, preferences and identity, his very liberty" by not experimenting with women's clothes, buggery, etc?

    A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn’t himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself.

    He did, at least once.

    Men Should Wear Makeup
    by Farhad Manjoo

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, you're right. After reading that, I'd say he's less dishonest than a fool. Why shouldn't men wear makeup? Let me count the ways...
  154. @Steve Sailer
    Well, you can say "Who are you?" But "Who is it?" is normal and shows that English uses "it" when the sex is uncertain: brand new baby, somebody knocking on the other side of the door, etc. We use and he and she as signs of respect that we know and care to know enough about you to get your sex right.

    It's a little bit like how we used to pay careful attention to the marital status of women: Miss vs. Mrs. But I was pleased when I started my corporate career in 1982 that I didn't have to remember whether to address a letter to Jane Smith at General Foods as Miss or Mrs Jane Smith. By 1982, Ms. Jane Smith was fashionable.

    It (pardon the expression) was common in the Victorian era to refer to young children as it.

    Victorian Gender Pronouns

    The gender-neutral pronoun: 150 years later, still an epic fail

    And why, out of all the beasts in the barnyard, do we choose the lowly goat to refer to our offspring?

    Please Say Children, Not Kids

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    It works well in a culture where abortion is permissible even after live birth.

    As for kids, I've seen goats that behave better than many children, so your suggestion makes sense in the context of being fair to young goats.
  155. @Chuck
    Nice boomer take.

    Seen a pride parade lately?

    Strangely enough, I have not.

    Do tell.

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    It (pardon the expression) was common in the Victorian era to refer to young children as it.


    Victorian Gender Pronouns




    The gender-neutral pronoun: 150 years later, still an epic fail

    And why, out of all the beasts in the barnyard, do we choose the lowly goat to refer to our offspring?

    Please Say Children, Not Kids

    It works well in a culture where abortion is permissible even after live birth.

    As for kids, I’ve seen goats that behave better than many children, so your suggestion makes sense in the context of being fair to young goats.

  157. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender."

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: "Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane". That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen't physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it "normal" in one gender but "insanity" in the other? Point is, your definition of "insanity" is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of "normalcy", but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who's behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl?

    Oh I dunno, maybe the entire history of the human race proving just that?

    Honestly, your opener was so imbecilic that I stopped reading right there.

  158. @Liza

    And remember everyone: indefinite pronouns are singular and take he.
     
    1. "Everyone has his excuse for behaving the way he does."
    2. "Everyone has their excuse for behaving the way they do."

    I go for #1 but it is not in popular usage these days.

    Whoever wants to argue about this, they certainly will do so.
    Whoever wants to argue about this, he certainly will do so.

    Whenever I hear the old grammar usage, I right away think of William Buckley.

    “Every dog has his or her day.”

    Sounds bitchy to me.

    • Agree: Liza
  159. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "You have sane, healthy children. Your son likes being a boy and your daughter likes being a girl. Be thankful. Don’t drag them into your careerist clickbait war on gender."

    Questions:

    1. What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health. Furthermore, there is no statistical or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and sanity. Gender non-conformists are not more likely to hallucinate or engage in criminally insane bevior like serial killing. Show me that there is a staistical correlation between gender non-conformism and schizofrenia or psychopathy. If you argue that it is insane for a child of one gender to behave like a child of the opposite gender, I will countner-argue that this is not insanity, but just an interpretation of insanity based on social expectation.

    2. Why is a behavior that is considered 100% normal for one gender, considered to be insanity if such behavior is displayed by a person of another gender? Replying that: "Because people of a certain gender have certain behaviorial traits on average, and if you deviate from that you are insane". That is not an acceptable answer. The stereotypical behaviors of both genders are acceptable because they are perfectly conductive to life in Society. We do not tolerate things such as homicide, rape, theft and other sociopathic behavior from *both* genders. So what difference does it make if a man chooses to wear a dress? Why is this behavior acceptable in a woman but not in a man? It is perfectly harmless. It doesen't physically or legally biolate the rights of others. So why is it "normal" in one gender but "insanity" in the other? Point is, your definition of "insanity" is absolutely irrational and biased.

    In fact, I would suggest that a man wearing a dress represents far *less* insane behavior than a super-macho man that likes to beat and kill other people. His behavior is far more stereotypically masculine and stereotypically associated with his biological gender, which would fit with your idea of "normalcy", but how is it less insane than that of a man who chose to wear a dress? Who's behavior is more morally offensive? Who causes more heartache? Gender-typical behavior is actually far more insane in the specific case of males than a man who is gender non-conformist and likes to wear dresses. Your definition of normalcy is irrational and ultimately biased.

    Your statement was completely loaded with value-judgements, and just reflects what is important to you and otehr social conservatives. The difference between the LGBT lobby one side and you social conservative cretins on the others is that the former are perfectly fine with you living your conservative lives as you want, while you want to force everybody else in Society to follow your standards. They just want the rights that you have, to be equal, and not to stop you from living your lives as you want. But the hallmark characteristic of conservatives is their extraordinary lack of empathy for others unlike themselves.

    What is intrinsically sane and healthy about a boy liking to be a boy, and a girl liking to be a girl? There is no logically or physiological correlation between gender-conformism and health.

    What is intrinsically same and healthy about a
    primate liking to be a primate, and a reptile liking to be a reptile? There is no logical or physiological correlation between taxonomy class-conformism and health.

  160. @anon
    Give an average boy a Barbie Doll and Barbie will spend her career gunning down injuns, nazis and japs, being hit with rocks, whitewater rafting, and falling from high places. Nothing personal, and nothing misogynistic, Barbie, but boys gotta do what they gotta do. You're not a doll anymore. You are an action figure.

    You’re not a doll anymore. You are an action figure.

    Best political spot ever. It even left the candidate free to campaign elsewhere during production.

  161. @PiltdownMan

    A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn’t himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself.
     
    He did, at least once.

    Men Should Wear Makeup
    by Farhad Manjoo
     

    Yeah, you’re right. After reading that, I’d say he’s less dishonest than a fool. Why shouldn’t men wear makeup? Let me count the ways…

  162. I remember some graffiti I saw in California: “Are you sick of the ridiculous travesty that is current heterosexuality as well as the pathetic parody of it that is homosexuality?”

    It would be nice if girls could learn to change their own tires and boys to appreciate, say, classical music, without having to go all alphabetical.

  163. A manlet.

    Confirms the hypothesis that feminists and gender warriors are masculine women and feminine men who want to crush gender norms only because they have spent their whole lives failing to live up to them.

    Gender norms are what make the sexes attractive to each other, no man wants a butch woman and no woman wants a soyboy.

    The reason they want to destroy feminine women and masculine men by androgynizing them is to make themselves look less unattractive in comparison.

  164. @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. A quick image search revealed that Manjoo doesn't himself experiment with adopting different gender norms himself. Why would he want to "limit thoughts and ambitions, preferences and identity, his very liberty" by not experimenting with women's clothes, buggery, etc?

    How sure are we that they isn’t another Buzz Bissinger?

  165. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    You sure are passionate about defending a fellow tribesmen who raped the children of the enemy tribe. I guess that makes you a good tribesman. Your war crime analogy is apt. Epstein, like yourself, is motivated by anti-white hate.

  166. When I was in grade school a very long time ago, we memorized a list of pronouns which ended with “he, she, it.” If required to recite this list, the boys, (some of the boys) would elongate the she. This produces a very satisfactory non-binary pronoun: hesheeeeiitt. Let’s introduce it.

  167. @Jack D
    OT

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557

    New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

    OTOH, he did important work on code breaking and computer science for which he was not fully recognized during his lifetime (not because he was gay but because the wartime code breaking remained a state secret for decades due to the Cold War). OTOH, they obviously picked him because he is a gay martyr. In reality he was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he received probation and kept his academic job, although he lost his security clearance and was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido) and later chose to kill himself - he was not really "hounded to death by the authorities" as the myth goes. Also, while Turing's work at Bletchley Park was important, he was one of many - in the mythology he singlehandedly defeated the Nazis and shortened the war by two years.

    According to the article , "[Turing] had been arrested after having an affair with a 19-year-old Manchester man." Turing was then 40 years old. There was no "affair" - the boy was a rough trade streetwalker bought and paid for by the highly educated and relatively wealthy Turing. The working class teenager was doing it for money and wasn't even gay - Murray later married (women) and had children. When Epstein does it with teenage girls, it's a war crime but when Turing does it with a teenage boy, they put his picture on the currency.

    [Turing] was punished relatively mildly by the standards of the time (he … was forced to take female hormones to reduce his libido)

    Yeah, I don’t consider that to be mild punishment.

    a 19-year-old Manchester man

    So just because they are both teenagers you don’t see a difference between a 19 year old and a 14 year old?

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