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From the New York Times, an article about an illiterate Syrian shepherd’s family brought to Canada by naive Canadians who assume that nuclear families are the global norm:

They Took In One Refugee Family. But Families Don’t Have Borders.

When ordinary Canadians signed up to help Syrian refugees, neither group expected to face agonizing questions from half a world away.

By JODI KANTOR and CATRIN EINHORN

… Seven months earlier, the couple had been catapulted to a new life. As many other nations were shunning refugees, a group of Canadian strangers had essentially adopted the family for a year, an effort repeated thousands of times across the country. …

The family was living through the first refugee crisis in history in which people without countries or homes could communicate instantaneously with one another. Previous generations of refugees often ached for any information about relatives, but now messages zipped back and forth around the world on free apps. The joy of such regular communication came at a steep cost: constant updates on the misery of relatives left behind, intensifying worry and impeding progress for those trying to carve out a new life. The Hajjes’ phone pulsed with voice messages in Arabic:

Enjoy every sip of cold water, because I have none.

Ms. Hajj, however, often stayed up for much of the night to converse with relatives seven hours ahead, growing weepy and exhausted by dawn. Like many of the relatives, she had never learned to read or write, so they used WhatsApp to volley short voice recordings. Those messages felt like a lifeline, and the ones that were not harrowing were comforting: greetings for the Eid al-Adha holiday among her 16 half and full siblings, and a running whose-baby-is-cuter photo contest. Sometimes she woke her 10-year-old son, Majed, in the middle of the night for technical help.

She was trying to embrace life in Canada, cheering during her children’s soccer matches and soaking up advice on tummy time and solid food for her 5-month-old, Julia. But her husband worried that the infusions of survivor’s guilt were preventing her from fully entering her new world. She often seemed more connected to the electronic constellation of relatives back home than to the Toronto streets she did not know and the English signs she could not decipher. When the sponsors tutored her in English, she often yawned through the lessons.

The article doesn’t mention that many Syrian in-laws are also blood relatives due to the popularity of cousin marriage, which increases clannishness.

 
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  1. An illiterate Middle Easterner with 16 siblings, who yawns through her benefactors’ attempts to teach her English – a real asset to Canada.

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    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Altai
    See, I wouldn't mind, but we're just to assume the war in Syria will be artificially prolonged by the Israel/US/GCC axis and that these people are permanent immigrants rather than refugees sheltered during the duration of war. (However wasteful it is to house them in a very expensive country far away, but whatever, the UN seems to be keeping everyone under it's charge alive. If the upper class in Syria want to hide out in Canada instead of a UN camp I can't blame them. I can blame a lot of them for not actually needing to flee and using the leniency shown towards a Syrian passport to emigrate.)

    Europeans are quite generous and would have easily been parted with funds to house displaced people. But this attitude that these people should be accepted as permanent immigrants who need to be integrated was off everyone's lips and tone the second it happened. Why were the Germans worried about giving them German lessons? Because everyone knew they were economic migrants, but were still guilt-tripped! Wars don't last forever and it'd be a drop in the bucket for the 'international community' to pay to repair the main cities. (Not that that wouldn't defeat the purpose of the war to leave Syria in pieces, but maybe Assad will prevail and the neocns will be content with just taking the Syrian army apart and sowing ethnic strife.)

    Additionally was the tacit assumption that as intervention against Assad is something partaken in by many Western countries against the interests and will of the general public, particularly the poor, it was the responsibility of those people to deal with the young male spivs. I mean if the MSM says Assad is illegitimate and therefore needs to be 'regime-changed' by an angry mob, what does it say about the leadership of the Western world? It seems like the response to a Democratic deficient shouldn't be an even more unpopular policy that has permanent consequences and represents an existential threat.

    It's this annoying problem of sentiment that makes people never feel like explaining the constellation of emotional motivations. None of this is effective at dealing with people displaced by the fighting, it is only effective at displacing the native populations of Europe. But nobody ever calls them out how inefficient this is or that it goes to serve a bunch of young male spivs, rather than women, children and infirm.

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  2. Not just cousin marriage, also uncle niece marriage and “double cousin” marriage.

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Talha

    uncle niece marriage
     
    This is prohibited by consensus - from either the father's side or the mother's side. What you may be thinking is the daughter or son marrying the cousin of the father or mother - then, yes, that would be permissible.

    Peace.

    , @utu
    "and “double cousin” marriage" - isn't it the case of the 2nd marriage of Albert Einstein?
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  3. I’ll bet Palestinian families have borders in Israel though

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    • Agree: Questionator
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048
    , @Neither-Spiculus-Nor-Nero
    Zoodles comment reminded me of a picture I saw yesterday (even though it's not really relevant to Steve's original post about the Syrian in Canada).

    The two links below are to the same thing: an exchange between The Joker and the Red Skull.

    http://gizmodo.com/israeli-teens-arrested-in-connection-with-majority-of-1786495231?utm_source=taboola

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/q95jgn57eme4jnqbo8mj.png

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  4. Sometimes she woke her 10-year-old son, Majed, in the middle of the night for technical help.

    Lol, what a bitch.

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  5. OT: John Cleese is a racist for disparaging comments about Scots

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/profile-john-cleese-and-casual-racism.23138

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    It may be rude/insensitive/stupid of him but it's not racism. Or if it is, then racism can devolve down to being rude about people in the next street. Or the people next door.
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  6. Isn’t running a whose-baby-is-cuter photo contest grounds to be denied residency in Canada? It sounds appallingly judgmental and discriminatory. Baby-shaming, I call it.

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  7. @Zoodles
    I'll bet Palestinian families have borders in Israel though

    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

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    • Troll: Clyde, International Jew
    • Replies: @5371
    We know how much Jews love "Syrian refugees". No doubt they will be installing some in the places in Israel that these illegal Israeli settlers just vacated.
    Any day now.
    , @Jimi Shmendrix
    Lies. One of the more odious ones, in fact, as it is specified in the Torah that the enemy's trees go unharmed. Every year the Arabs trim their trees, then blame the nefarious Jews.
    , @Jack D
    Not that any American should give a f*ck about that lady and her staged olive tree picture, but that olive tree looks like it is maybe 3 or 4 years old - it was planted recently and probably illegally. Among the many messed up things in 3rd worldish places like the West Bank, there's usually no good system of land title registry so nobody really knows who owns what. As you can imagine, Palestinian Arabs are always running blood feuds among rival clans where they poison each other's livestock, etc. as they have been doing for centuries, but nobody gives a damn about those.

    There are hundreds of thousands of humans dead in Arab on Arab fighting in Syria and nobody cares, but a Jew (supposedly) cuts down a tree sapling and it's an international incident. Give me a break.
    , @biz
    Oh yeah, nothing staged about that photo. That woman is definitely dressed like she was all set to do some agricultural labor and just happened to see her tree there. Lol.
    , @Dirk Dagger
    It is an iSteve world ... a little g**gling reveals that they cut down her poor tree to make a golf course. And yes, the sand traps on the West Bank are a bitch.
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  8. @Rob McX
    An illiterate Middle Easterner with 16 siblings, who yawns through her benefactors' attempts to teach her English - a real asset to Canada.

    See, I wouldn’t mind, but we’re just to assume the war in Syria will be artificially prolonged by the Israel/US/GCC axis and that these people are permanent immigrants rather than refugees sheltered during the duration of war. (However wasteful it is to house them in a very expensive country far away, but whatever, the UN seems to be keeping everyone under it’s charge alive. If the upper class in Syria want to hide out in Canada instead of a UN camp I can’t blame them. I can blame a lot of them for not actually needing to flee and using the leniency shown towards a Syrian passport to emigrate.)

    Europeans are quite generous and would have easily been parted with funds to house displaced people. But this attitude that these people should be accepted as permanent immigrants who need to be integrated was off everyone’s lips and tone the second it happened. Why were the Germans worried about giving them German lessons? Because everyone knew they were economic migrants, but were still guilt-tripped! Wars don’t last forever and it’d be a drop in the bucket for the ‘international community’ to pay to repair the main cities. (Not that that wouldn’t defeat the purpose of the war to leave Syria in pieces, but maybe Assad will prevail and the neocns will be content with just taking the Syrian army apart and sowing ethnic strife.)

    Additionally was the tacit assumption that as intervention against Assad is something partaken in by many Western countries against the interests and will of the general public, particularly the poor, it was the responsibility of those people to deal with the young male spivs. I mean if the MSM says Assad is illegitimate and therefore needs to be ‘regime-changed’ by an angry mob, what does it say about the leadership of the Western world? It seems like the response to a Democratic deficient shouldn’t be an even more unpopular policy that has permanent consequences and represents an existential threat.

    It’s this annoying problem of sentiment that makes people never feel like explaining the constellation of emotional motivations. None of this is effective at dealing with people displaced by the fighting, it is only effective at displacing the native populations of Europe. But nobody ever calls them out how inefficient this is or that it goes to serve a bunch of young male spivs, rather than women, children and infirm.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    IOW,

    "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
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  9. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048

    We know how much Jews love “Syrian refugees”. No doubt they will be installing some in the places in Israel that these illegal Israeli settlers just vacated.
    Any day now.

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    • Agree: No_0ne
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  10. Impoverished African migrants crowd the night shore of Djibouti city, trying to capture inexpensive cell signals from neighboring Somalia—a tenuous link to relatives abroad.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Why is it that "impoverished" (as if they were ever not in poverty) African migrants always seem to have better, more expensive cell phones than I do?
    , @Clyde
    A good cargo cult photo. Tribal members holding up their magic vocal sticks into the dark. Photo is 50% staged but accurate enough.
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  11. Did the 606 bombs that Canada dropped make a difference in the war against ISIL?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/did-the-606-bombs-canada-dropped-make-a-difference-in-the-war-against-isil

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  12. @Zoodles
    I'll bet Palestinian families have borders in Israel though

    Zoodles comment reminded me of a picture I saw yesterday (even though it’s not really relevant to Steve’s original post about the Syrian in Canada).

    The two links below are to the same thing: an exchange between The Joker and the Red Skull.

    http://gizmodo.com/israeli-teens-arrested-in-connection-with-majority-of-1786495231?utm_source=taboola

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    "When you realize what a joke everything is, being The Comedian is the only thing that makes sense."
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  13. @Lot
    Not just cousin marriage, also uncle niece marriage and "double cousin" marriage.

    uncle niece marriage

    This is prohibited by consensus – from either the father’s side or the mother’s side. What you may be thinking is the daughter or son marrying the cousin of the father or mother – then, yes, that would be permissible.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    "Consensus" has nothing to do with it.

    It is haram.

    See Surah 4.23, 4.24.
    , @Jack Highlands
    Thanks for the incest insights.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Jews can marry their nieces in Rhode Island. Presumably their nephews, too, now. Look it up.
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  14. I didn’t wade thru that whole tongue bath of an article but it’s pretty obvious where this is headed: more, and more fecund, prole-class Arab Muslims for Canada. Most will be net tax consumers. Some will be Islamic militants. Most will be frustrated in a cold, white, high-trust country with lots of taxes and regulation (which they will ignore). They will recreate the social structures of the old country with the transfer payments from their new one. Canadians who ask, how much is this going to take will learn the answer: everything you offer, then they’ll ask for more, then they’ll vote it for themselves. It will all end in tears.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    The one advantage Canada has is that 'diverse' people don't really want to live where it's that cold.
    , @Patrick in SC

    "Canadians who ask,..."
     
    Will be brought up on charges of "inciting racial hatred" or whatever. Remember, this is Canada.
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  15. As a Canadian, I fully admit there is a special, supercilious naivety about us. I think this may have to do with part of the Canadian identity now being predicated on appearing to be morally superior to Americans. One thing is for certain, with the government increasing immigration and refugee levels, our time for being guileless is running out fast. Unlike previous years, the Canadian government is focusing less on economic immigration and more on family reunification and refugee resettlement. The 2011 census showed that Ontario was just under 5 percent Muslim, this was before the Syrian and other refugee influx. On the ground level there is a noticeable shift in the demographics that is palpable in the larger metro areas.

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    • Replies: @Altai
    Canada, Sweden, Ireland and Norway are fascinating in that though they historically had little immigration, the rapid up-tick and speed seem to be causing more dislocation and estrangement in cities than the others that had a longer history. Needless to say a naive attitude or even a sense that it is their turn is pervasive. It's really shocking how fast they're catching up. Needless to say though Ireland and Norway are victims of governmental inaction, Sweden and Canada have been taken over by politicians who relish increasing the numbers and who obsess over it. To have huge desired targets for artificial immigration despite housing shortages and economic disaster for younger generations is staggering.

    Part of what makes it interesting is that the rapid importation of large numbers is dislocating on a day to day basis but politically has little impact as immigrants usually have no time for local politics and don't usually furnish many candidates. It's a lag before the natives have to face the immigrants identity politics taking true form.

    , @Barb3000
    I would just like to pass on some information that I was sent from gatestoneinstitute.org yesterday.
    There was a very interesting article by Soeren Kern dated October 20,2016.
    The headline is called "Germans Leaving Germany "In Droves". Everyone should read this that cares what happens to their country because I believe Canada is headed in the same direction that the EU has found it's self in as is the U.S. especially since Obama has been in charge.
    In the past ten years Germany has lost at least 1.5 million well educated German families because of the influx of Muslims that are taking over all of the countries that make up the EU expecting the taxpayer to foot all their bills. This started at least 25 years ago when the EU started encouraging the Muslims to move to Europe to find work. As time went on the longer the Muslim population was lived there the more and more they expected the governments in each country to give them what ever they asked for including sharia law side by side with the existing laws of each country.
    This will take to long to go over everything that has happened I would suggest going to the website and reading the complete article as well as numerous other articles describing to the public just what has happened since the refugees that has poured into Europe the past two years.
    You won't believe what the local population was told by their governments.
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  16. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I didn't wade thru that whole tongue bath of an article but it's pretty obvious where this is headed: more, and more fecund, prole-class Arab Muslims for Canada. Most will be net tax consumers. Some will be Islamic militants. Most will be frustrated in a cold, white, high-trust country with lots of taxes and regulation (which they will ignore). They will recreate the social structures of the old country with the transfer payments from their new one. Canadians who ask, how much is this going to take will learn the answer: everything you offer, then they'll ask for more, then they'll vote it for themselves. It will all end in tears.

    The one advantage Canada has is that ‘diverse’ people don’t really want to live where it’s that cold.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    Chicago is pretty much the same as Toronto weather wise and we have lots of diverse folk here too.
    , @biz
    Indeed. Southern Ontario, which has what passes for a moderate climate in Canada, looks like it is damn near majority Muslim these days, judging by the numbers of burkas / niqabs / whatever that I saw. By contrast I was recently in a small city in the middle of Canada, where they have some of the harshest winters on Earth, and there was nary a "refugee" to be found.

    In that small city with the harsh climate there were Chinese, Philipinos, and Sikhs, so it isn't like immigrants won't go there. But Muslims, even refugees supposedly fleeing a war zone, know that living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar.

    , @MJMD
    Canada actually has a few other advantages as well, in spite of itself.

    1) Canada's immigrant population actually is "diverse." Yes, a lot of them have recreated social structures from the old country to get around burdensome regulations (like, for example, Mennonites and Hutterites...more power to them, I say). A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    *(English Canada, anyway - Quebec's demographics look a lot more like France's, saved for now only by big 20th Century infusions of Mizrahi Jews and middle class Haitians but looking pretty dire for the future if tommorrow's immigration is also Francophonie based).

    2) prole-class Arab Muslims like the ones that Canada has mostly taken in actually aren't nearly as big a problem when it comes to Islamic terrorism as the would-be professionals now infesting Europe, all of whom seem to proclaim that they want to be doctors or to finish their university degrees on the government's dime and none of whom have realistic expectations of how transferable their "skills" will actually be. Terrorism is a phenomenon of the educated and relatively comfortable, and the "high human value" Muslims settling illegally in Europe will turn to it in large numbers when frustrated. Canada will have to worry about the second generation, of course, but I actually think that kids who are likely to be working class themselves (in a country with lots of working class employment on offer) and who see their parents struggling daily with English and basic failures of assimilation are more likely to attribute their challenges in life to that rather than some phantom racism or "the infidel."
    , @Mr. Anon
    Michigan is cold too, and it's been filling up with Arabs for a long time. They find those Small Business Administration 8a loans to be very warming.
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  17. Nice highlight of the insanity of the west’s moral vanity when it comes to refugees. I recently had a conversation with a friend from MN on this subject and he insisted that the US has a history of taking in refugees and it would be against our values to end that practice. The conversation then turned to the Somali population and within a few minutes he matter of factly stated that no one in the Twin Cities can stand them and how they add absolutely nothing to society. This inability to say “no” even when perfectly aware of the consequences seems to have taken hold.

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    Did you point this inconsistency out to him, or did the two ideas exist at different levels of abstraction that he hadn't managed to connect?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Leftism makes otherwise intelligent people stupid, as your experience shows.
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  18. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany

    Not only are European Jews moving to Israel at record rates, Germans are leaving Germany at high rates as well. Importing “Syrians” by the thousands will inevitably cause Canadians to flee Canada. As Europeans and Canadians look for other countries to resettle, I hope they consider places other than the United States. I fully expect Europeans to want to recreate Europe here as opposed to assimilate to American values. It will be grating to be lectured by a French immigrant on why building the wall is racist even though his home country got overrun by North Africans yet they will do it without a trace of irony. So I hope for everyone’s sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they’re looking to leave their home country.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    I hope for everyone’s sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they’re looking to leave their home country.
     
    I've been hoping that they don't get displaced in the first place, but the death spiral continues. More Mosques are built in the West; no churches are built in the Mid-East. How small does the West get before it ceases to exist?
    , @Thrasymachus
    Like Californians in Colorado....
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    But where can they go? We need a homeland for everyone displaced by immigration, and free of the 'invite them all' crowd.
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  19. OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who’d have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his “refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose”. Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he’s narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we’ll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

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    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    Of course, it's all over bar the shouting. Those still hoping that Wikileaks will pull a silver bullet out of a hat are doomed to disappointment.
    , @reiner Tor
    Now I looked closer, and of course there's the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls' methodologies look simply better.
    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    Don't your hands get sore after continuously handwringing them for 16 months?
    , @Detective Club
    On Oct. 25, 2012, Gary Langer conducted a presidential preference poll for ABC NEWS : Romney, 50%-Obama 47% (2012 Election Day result : Obama, 51%-Romney 47%). Today's Gary Langer little monstrosity for ABC NEWS is Clinton, 50%-Trump, 38%. What is most remarkable is that Langer sampled 9% more Democrats in his poll than Republicans (36%-27%).

    The customary nationwide polling advantage of Democrats over Republicans is 4% (32%-28%). Talk about cooking the books! "Rigged" doesn't begin to describe a typical Langer poll - - - "laughable" is more like it! Reporting a Langer poll as anything less than a joke should be a criminal offense!
    , @candid_observer
    Look, there are three tracking polls that show Trump either tied or up a point or two at this time: IBD, Rasmussen, and LA Times.

    The ABC poll shows him down by 12 pts. Either the three polls are all totally corrupted by systematic bias, or the ABC poll is (or possibly all 4 of them are so corrupted).

    Seeing discrepancies this extreme, and especially at this stage of the election, where if anything one would expect more convergence, I have to believe that there's serious manipulation involved. And I frankly believe that the pollsters for the media no longer have any compunction about engaging in clear manipulation. The media paying for these polls have already committed themselves to unprecedented distortion of the news on behalf of their candidate, and also see their own reputation and future at stake because of Trump's attack on them.

    The media and its minions have never been as dishonest as in this election -- it's not even close -- they've lapped themslves.

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  20. The article mentions ‘survivor’s guilt’ but I wonder if this could more accurately be described as ‘leaver’s guilt’?

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  21. The white woman’s burden.

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    "The white woman’s burden."

    You omitted an article.
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  22. @PiltdownMan

    Impoverished African migrants crowd the night shore of Djibouti city, trying to capture inexpensive cell signals from neighboring Somalia—a tenuous link to relatives abroad.
     
    http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/12/ngm-2013-djibouti-stanmeyer1.jpg

    Why is it that “impoverished” (as if they were ever not in poverty) African migrants always seem to have better, more expensive cell phones than I do?

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    1. There are some very inexpensive off brand Chinese and Indian Android cell phone brands that never make it to the US - some as low as $4 -that's not a misprint.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36651700

    Cell phone service is likewise much cheaper in many countries - in the US we have semi-monopolies and the FCC interfering with markets so we pay more for cell service (and cable and internet) than just about anyone.

    2. Old white dudes seem to like old phones - I guess it's some sort of ANTI status symbol that you don't waste time tweeting your friends or whatever it is that young folks do with smart phones. Last night I was at an event where there was a very well known older political figure and I saw the guy using a flip phone that would sell on ebay for $5 (with free shipping). He also had a date that was half his age, but I digress. In Africa a nice phone might be one of the few status symbols you might own, but old white dudes don't need to derive status from something as modest as a cell phone. How much is a really nice cell phone? $400? 500? Chump change for a rich white dude.

    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now - you could sell it for melt value.

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  23. Then why does the US support Israel as a bordered national family?

    Also, the concept of family is about borders. There is borderline around who are within the family.

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  24. @reiner Tor
    OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who'd have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his "refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose". Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he's narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we'll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

    Of course, it’s all over bar the shouting. Those still hoping that Wikileaks will pull a silver bullet out of a hat are doomed to disappointment.

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  25. @reiner Tor
    OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who'd have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his "refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose". Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he's narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we'll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

    Now I looked closer, and of course there’s the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls’ methodologies look simply better.

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    Now I looked closer, and of course there’s the usual oversampling of Democrats....
     
    Do you know the *claimed* reason for Democrat over sampling? The poll masters phone up X number of people and the first 1000/2000/3000 that pick up and talk are the poll. Now part of the poll includes, are you independent or Republican or Democrat? If the people they just happen to call up (lol lol lulz) are mostly Democrats then the poll is called +5/+8 etc Democrat in the addendum that few pay attention to.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    For criminy's sake, will you please stop pronouncing that it's over? Stop watching the rigged poll-aganada and find your freaking guts. I'm sick and tired of the pessimism in these comment threads. There's more cheerfulness in an Ebola ward.
    , @zitt
    1. primarymodel.com
    2. Dem oversampling, then weeding out repubs with questions meant to disqualify them
    3. 'likely voters' ignores poor whites aka trump's base
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    First of all, you have to be living in cave to not know that the pollsters are being paid by the clintons. Not just supporting them, but being paid by them (a cool quarter million in September alone)

    So, assuming you already know that, here's how they actually get their numbers: How WaPo's Latest Poll Gave Hillary A 12 Point Advantage Over Trump
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    OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who'd have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his "refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose". Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he's narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we'll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

    Don’t your hands get sore after continuously handwringing them for 16 months?

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  27. @Lot
    Not just cousin marriage, also uncle niece marriage and "double cousin" marriage.

    “and “double cousin” marriage” – isn’t it the case of the 2nd marriage of Albert Einstein?

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    A marriage without children.
    , @Lot
    Double cousin marriage is when a pair of siblings marry another pair and then their children marry. It is more incestuous than normal cousin marriage and akin to marrying a half sibling.
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  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048

    Lies. One of the more odious ones, in fact, as it is specified in the Torah that the enemy’s trees go unharmed. Every year the Arabs trim their trees, then blame the nefarious Jews.

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    How's it going with observing the scriptural injunctions against homosexuality, Jews?
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  29. Canadians are pathologically altruistic, with, I believe, the highest per capita immigration rate (almost all of the immigrants very non-Canadian of course) of any county (western country would be redundant here)– which they seem to see as a virtue — go figure.

    OT

    Compare and contrast:

    Pentagon will now pay for transgender soldiers to have gender reassignment surgery

    Thousands of California soldiers forced to repay enlistment bonuses a decade after going to war

    Such goings-on are simply unsustainable — a product of enormous arrogance and hubris.

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  30. I just found out about a British couple who adopted a “twelve-year-old” Afgan boy who turned out to be a twenty-one-year-old terrorist:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/adoptive-parents-discover-12-year-old-afghan-son-21-year-old-trained-taliban-terrorist-video/

    I’m sure the vetting of Hillary’s children would be much better.

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    Now, this would be excellent material for a very funny film, if the reality wasn't so sad.
    , @O'really
    That article is hilarious. The foster mother had him share a room with her 13 year old son and turned her entire family halal. She wasn't too concerned about the facial and body hair and upper body strength, but she became a bit suspicious by his ability to strip a rifle at a shooting range.

    The real tip-off, though, came when he "put the 13-year-old in expert holds, demanded cash and got calls from unknown numbers."

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2030373/migrant-foster-mum-reveals-her-horror-at-discovering-12-year-old-refugee-in-her-care-is-actually-a-21-year-old-jihadi/
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  31. @SFG
    The one advantage Canada has is that 'diverse' people don't really want to live where it's that cold.

    Chicago is pretty much the same as Toronto weather wise and we have lots of diverse folk here too.

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  32. Note how the two authors are female (reporterettes) and same for the main subject who cannot type on her so called smartFone due to illiteracy (not my problem btw).
    However I see two pluses here:
    1- this drama is playing out in Canada not America
    2-the extended family has not yet been able to swarm into Canada

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    "Reporterettes"? Love it!
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  33. When the sponsors tutored her in English, she often yawned through the lessons.

    If you look up Survivor’s Guilt in the DSM-V, that’s like the first symptom. Holy cow, she’s got it bad.

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    English? I'm wondering how good her Arabic is.
    , @eah
    she’s got it bad

    I think Canada and Canadians have a "it" a lot worse.

    So you're saying yawning is a symptom/sign of 'Survivor's Guilt'? -- that seems a bit strange to me, honestly -- anyway, I have no doubt 'Survivor's Guilt' is real, not to mention the difficulty of adapting to life in another country/culture, where they speak another language -- especially when you're an illiterate third word woman -- an alternative explanation is that she's just plain dumb and lazy -- unmotivated -- because she sees that they give her everything she needs anyway -- she gets a place to live, food, medical care -- all the essentials are provided, whether she learns English or not, whether she yawns a lot or not -- you have to understand: word gets around -- these people know they will get a free life in a nice white country -- all they have to do is make it there -- they develop a sense of entitlement -- Canada is known as a soft touch -- there is now a considerable Afghan diaspora -- a network -- I know for a fact that marrying off a daughter to an Afghan male who lives in Canada is a plum achievement among these people -- all of this will never end -- unless western countries end it.

    The 1951 Refugee Convention -- this was the start of it -- for their own survival, every western nation ought to unilaterally abrogate this treaty -- because it gives control over who comes to their countries to the UN -- and it is now pretty clear that it is mostly a scam that funnels an endless stream of third world people -- most of whom are, in one way or another, economic migrants ('developing countries' will always be that) into the first world -- and it will not end until western nations stop it.

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  34. @reiner Tor
    Now I looked closer, and of course there's the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls' methodologies look simply better.

    Now I looked closer, and of course there’s the usual oversampling of Democrats….

    Do you know the *claimed* reason for Democrat over sampling? The poll masters phone up X number of people and the first 1000/2000/3000 that pick up and talk are the poll. Now part of the poll includes, are you independent or Republican or Democrat? If the people they just happen to call up (lol lol lulz) are mostly Democrats then the poll is called +5/+8 etc Democrat in the addendum that few pay attention to.

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  35. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048

    Not that any American should give a f*ck about that lady and her staged olive tree picture, but that olive tree looks like it is maybe 3 or 4 years old – it was planted recently and probably illegally. Among the many messed up things in 3rd worldish places like the West Bank, there’s usually no good system of land title registry so nobody really knows who owns what. As you can imagine, Palestinian Arabs are always running blood feuds among rival clans where they poison each other’s livestock, etc. as they have been doing for centuries, but nobody gives a damn about those.

    There are hundreds of thousands of humans dead in Arab on Arab fighting in Syria and nobody cares, but a Jew (supposedly) cuts down a tree sapling and it’s an international incident. Give me a break.

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    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.
    , @zitt
    lol. This was the same argument we used to justify apartheid. Nobody bought it, especially jews
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  36. Families do have borders. I have two grandmothers, an aunt, two cousins, and now the cousins’ children, about 9 time zones away. They do very well for themselves and we don’t see each other very often.

    But hey, can’t expect the NYT to say much that is true, even remotely coherent, or written half-decently.

    One can expect the NYT, however, to write articles so lugubriously saccharine and sentimental one’s in danger of developing diabetes just by reading the stuff.

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    > One can expect the NYT, however, to write articles so lugubriously saccharine and sentimental one’s in danger of developing diabetes just by reading the stuff.

    These articles are written for barren catladies who have misplaced maternal instincts. Instead of raising a few of their own biological children or look after their many grandchildren (since these women look to be in their 50s or 60s), they decide to raise grown men and women from Lebanon or Syria. It's pretty disturbing when you think about it.
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  37. Look at Olive Saplings arms. More like the forearms and hands of a chimpanzee than an Arab granny.

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  38. And some of those 12-year-old refugees are actually adult thugs:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-suicidal-altruism-of-western-women.html

    These problems are going to require stern measures to solve, and I mean really stern measures.

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  39. @Jack D
    Not that any American should give a f*ck about that lady and her staged olive tree picture, but that olive tree looks like it is maybe 3 or 4 years old - it was planted recently and probably illegally. Among the many messed up things in 3rd worldish places like the West Bank, there's usually no good system of land title registry so nobody really knows who owns what. As you can imagine, Palestinian Arabs are always running blood feuds among rival clans where they poison each other's livestock, etc. as they have been doing for centuries, but nobody gives a damn about those.

    There are hundreds of thousands of humans dead in Arab on Arab fighting in Syria and nobody cares, but a Jew (supposedly) cuts down a tree sapling and it's an international incident. Give me a break.

    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

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    No shit. Jack D. seems to be saying that since there isn't a valid chain of possession, the Israeli government is free to give the land to a settler and thereby create a title history. Any Palestinians who previously owned the land are just spoil sports for not accepting that their loss of land and livelihood is their own fault for living in a conquered land.

    That picture may be staged propaganda or not. The person pictured may be a terrorist or not. I don't and can't know the answers to these questions. I do know that to justify taking land from Palestinians because the Palestinians didn't have clear title is equal parts disingenuous and idiotic.
    , @International Jew
    Lol, no, but there's a lot of land that belonged to the Jordanian state (The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan) before the 1967 war when they lost it to Israel. At that point, state land remained state land, but it passed to the new state in charge — Israel. Trouble is, Arabs who ran their goats over that land, or just looked at it from their homes, consider it "theirs".
    , @biz
    Actually it might very well belong to a Jewish family who was ethnically cleansed from that area in 1948 when it was invaded by Jordan.

    But regardless of that, we have a context-free obviously staged photo. Who cut down the tree? The family who planted it? A rival "Palestinian" tribe? We will never actually know.
    , @Big Bill
    Why do you say "land registries are messed up"?

    Everyone knows who owns the land and what happened to it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws
    , @SPMoore8
    "A Tree Gets Cut Down in Brooklyn" -- Didn't I see that movie once before?
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  40. @reiner Tor
    Now I looked closer, and of course there's the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls' methodologies look simply better.

    For criminy’s sake, will you please stop pronouncing that it’s over? Stop watching the rigged poll-aganada and find your freaking guts. I’m sick and tired of the pessimism in these comment threads. There’s more cheerfulness in an Ebola ward.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I agree. I think the current "thing" by the media and all TV commentators/hosts is to beat the drum (every moment until Nov. 8) that Trump is soooo woefully behind, that you might as well not vote, is a tactic that is employed by so many people right now, whether on FB, TV, NPR, etc. Get Trump supporters distressed and pessimistic.

    Sometimes, I feel like Trump has spoken in code to his base...meaning, don't tell "the enemy" your plans. With no signs out on lawns (see more for Trump, if anything) I for one, will thoroughly enjoy the exploding heads of the media who have been so in the tank for Clinton. Everyone (ex. Hannity) in the world of media, has ignored Hilllary's corruption/CF corruption/Wikileaks. I feel that this will be a major wound for this country, and the trust in the media will disappear either way. Not one day, can I find a talking head who speaks about Wikileaks (except spouting about Russian nonsense), and all the corruption exposed of Clinton. It is sickening. Well, at least I can dump a lot of subscriptions after this election since I have only gotten continuous propaganda for one year!

    Trump needs to jet to as many rallies as possible, everyday, and keep beating his drums. People usually don't lose confidence this late in the game - my prediction.

    And, GOP needs to be told that this is about the SCOTUS choices coming up in the next 4 years, which, if they don't support Trump now, will assure them of never getting any of their policies through, nor ever finding a palatable candidate to face Chelsea or Huma in 15 years.

    I know an overwhelming amount of people who are voting for Trump but will not tell their neighbors/co-workers/spouses/polsters. And, this tactic to "legitimize" Trump falling ever so far behind, in polls, is the latest soup d'jour since sex-women-sex-women didn't do it. And, pleez, the DNC went ballistic when GWB won! So the whole, "He must accept results," is so pathetic.

    I think it is very interesting that all the chatter about the polls is coming from the Northeast Coast & California. The disrespect (I should say hatred) all liberals on the West Coast and Northeast Coast have towards the American people in between, is truly frightening. I predict it is going to backfire one way or the other.

    Lastly, this latest canard, that rich people will not vote for Trump is silly. In the long-run, they know the CF is a corrupt enterprise, and their fortunes may be on the line for her to please the middle class by expecting the top .1% to pay more taxes to fund the education initiatives, infrastructure, messy, no-end-in-sight jihadi wars in the ME, stuff like that - where else is she going to get that money? And, the merely rich, the $500K-low millions, well, their taxes will go to Scandinavian levels, so 45-60% ('cause that's what Bernie so admired about Denmark). So, I'm not buying the, people earning 250K+ being so eager to vote for Hillary; since she is going to raise taxes from that level on up. The deficit/National Debt is embarrassing, so she will expect everyone to "chip in." And, the people earning less than $400K, well, they all know that if you live in the coastal metro areas, that will not pay for elite U's/private/schools/a decent place to live/decent retirement. People always forget about net income. I predict jittery voters pushing the lever for Trump in the last moment (especially 8 years of low growth and despair), 'cause, like who's gonna know?

    , @Anoncourt
    proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
    That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart;
    his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse

    Henry V, Act IV Scene iii
    , @Jack D
    There's pessimism and then there's realism. Trump probably won't win but he is still going to get a very significant % of the vote total. To me that's pretty amazing given that the ENTIRE power structure of this country, Republican and Democrat, ALL the media, etc. have all been arrayed against him and have spent months and months beating it into the head of every American, esp. every American female, that Trump is Hitler, that he is a rapist, etc. Either this means that, as Hillary said, that a significant % of Americans are deplorable or else, that there is deep, deep dissatisfaction with the track that our country is currently on.
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  41. @reiner Tor
    Now I looked closer, and of course there's the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls' methodologies look simply better.

    1. primarymodel.com
    2. Dem oversampling, then weeding out repubs with questions meant to disqualify them
    3. ‘likely voters’ ignores poor whites aka trump’s base

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    Thx.
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  42. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I didn't wade thru that whole tongue bath of an article but it's pretty obvious where this is headed: more, and more fecund, prole-class Arab Muslims for Canada. Most will be net tax consumers. Some will be Islamic militants. Most will be frustrated in a cold, white, high-trust country with lots of taxes and regulation (which they will ignore). They will recreate the social structures of the old country with the transfer payments from their new one. Canadians who ask, how much is this going to take will learn the answer: everything you offer, then they'll ask for more, then they'll vote it for themselves. It will all end in tears.

    “Canadians who ask,…”

    Will be brought up on charges of “inciting racial hatred” or whatever. Remember, this is Canada.

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  43. @Buzz Mohawk
    I just found out about a British couple who adopted a "twelve-year-old" Afgan boy who turned out to be a twenty-one-year-old terrorist:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/adoptive-parents-discover-12-year-old-afghan-son-21-year-old-trained-taliban-terrorist-video/

    I'm sure the vetting of Hillary's children would be much better.

    Now, this would be excellent material for a very funny film, if the reality wasn’t so sad.

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  44. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says:

    The photos in the NYT illustrate a popular iSteve theme, a world with no white men. Just vibrant and fecund immivaders and old virtshrewish white ladies.

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    Definitely an aspect of the Agenda™, white people too old to fight or breed are often contrasted with fit young non-whites.
    , @Clyde
    Congrats the only internet hit for virtshrewish is from you
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  45. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048

    Oh yeah, nothing staged about that photo. That woman is definitely dressed like she was all set to do some agricultural labor and just happened to see her tree there. Lol.

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  46. @SFG
    The one advantage Canada has is that 'diverse' people don't really want to live where it's that cold.

    Indeed. Southern Ontario, which has what passes for a moderate climate in Canada, looks like it is damn near majority Muslim these days, judging by the numbers of burkas / niqabs / whatever that I saw. By contrast I was recently in a small city in the middle of Canada, where they have some of the harshest winters on Earth, and there was nary a “refugee” to be found.

    In that small city with the harsh climate there were Chinese, Philipinos, and Sikhs, so it isn’t like immigrants won’t go there. But Muslims, even refugees supposedly fleeing a war zone, know that living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar.

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    If you watch any CBC at all, you'll see at least one Muslim chick in a hijab shoe-horned into every minute of every show.
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  47. “Enjoy every sip of cold water, because I have none.”

    Isn’t it fair to say that a lot of clannish relationships are based on moral extortion? You are my cousin, you HAVE to help me (get that job/marry your daughter/beat that infidel to pulp etc.). So it is not good will or, God forbid, love, that drives these relations, but a “toxic” culture of mutual exploitation. I against my brother, my brother and I against our cousins etc. The other counts only as a means to an end, not at the same time as an end in itself.

    A commonly decent European just would not say that sentence above, neither to a brother nor to a stranger. Compare also those many cases where fathers are trying to extort goodies from our authorities by threatening harm to their own children (often daughters). That just doesn’t compute to our outbreeded brains, so we think, “how desperate and how traumatized must he be”. Well, he is not that desperate, he just found a cheap way to get faster WIFI.

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  48. @SFG
    The one advantage Canada has is that 'diverse' people don't really want to live where it's that cold.

    Canada actually has a few other advantages as well, in spite of itself.

    1) Canada’s immigrant population actually is “diverse.” Yes, a lot of them have recreated social structures from the old country to get around burdensome regulations (like, for example, Mennonites and Hutterites…more power to them, I say). A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    *(English Canada, anyway – Quebec’s demographics look a lot more like France’s, saved for now only by big 20th Century infusions of Mizrahi Jews and middle class Haitians but looking pretty dire for the future if tommorrow’s immigration is also Francophonie based).

    2) prole-class Arab Muslims like the ones that Canada has mostly taken in actually aren’t nearly as big a problem when it comes to Islamic terrorism as the would-be professionals now infesting Europe, all of whom seem to proclaim that they want to be doctors or to finish their university degrees on the government’s dime and none of whom have realistic expectations of how transferable their “skills” will actually be. Terrorism is a phenomenon of the educated and relatively comfortable, and the “high human value” Muslims settling illegally in Europe will turn to it in large numbers when frustrated. Canada will have to worry about the second generation, of course, but I actually think that kids who are likely to be working class themselves (in a country with lots of working class employment on offer) and who see their parents struggling daily with English and basic failures of assimilation are more likely to attribute their challenges in life to that rather than some phantom racism or “the infidel.”

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    A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    It isn't manly to put your destiny in the hands of other tribes.

    Have these groups told Canada to "hit the brakes"?
    , @Pericles
    I believe this is the point where the Chinese needle snakes are imported.
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  49. @SFG
    The one advantage Canada has is that 'diverse' people don't really want to live where it's that cold.

    Michigan is cold too, and it’s been filling up with Arabs for a long time. They find those Small Business Administration 8a loans to be very warming.

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  50. I spend an inordinate, possibly unhealthy, amount of time analyzing anecdotal data and theorizing about what modern social media and communication does to children, teens, loners, and particularly the more unstable half of the mental health bell curve.

    Now we have sleep-deprived, illiterate, immigrant refugees volleying short voice messages to struggling family members half a world away.

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  51. @reiner Tor
    OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who'd have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his "refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose". Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he's narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we'll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

    On Oct. 25, 2012, Gary Langer conducted a presidential preference poll for ABC NEWS : Romney, 50%-Obama 47% (2012 Election Day result : Obama, 51%-Romney 47%). Today’s Gary Langer little monstrosity for ABC NEWS is Clinton, 50%-Trump, 38%. What is most remarkable is that Langer sampled 9% more Democrats in his poll than Republicans (36%-27%).

    The customary nationwide polling advantage of Democrats over Republicans is 4% (32%-28%). Talk about cooking the books! “Rigged” doesn’t begin to describe a typical Langer poll – – – “laughable” is more like it! Reporting a Langer poll as anything less than a joke should be a criminal offense!

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  52. Why aren’t these refugees being taken care of by their muslim brothers? Why aren’t they being sent to refugee camps in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states? Why isn’t Morrocco taking them in? Or Pakistan? Or Indonesia?

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  53. @Anonymous
    OT: John Cleese is a racist for disparaging comments about Scots
    http://www.thenational.scot/news/profile-john-cleese-and-casual-racism.23138

    It may be rude/insensitive/stupid of him but it’s not racism. Or if it is, then racism can devolve down to being rude about people in the next street. Or the people next door.

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  54. @utu
    "and “double cousin” marriage" - isn't it the case of the 2nd marriage of Albert Einstein?

    A marriage without children.

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    Incest is OK as long as it does not produce children? I am pretty sure they would have children if Einstein's 2nd wife was younger. She gave birth to 3 kids in her first marriage. The two of her daughters (Ilse and Margot) lived with her and Einstein. There was more complex dynamics there.

    From NYT:

    Ilse, the older of Elsa's two daughters, was serving as Einstein's secretary.

    The letter was a plea for advice. In it Ilse related how a simple ''jest'' one afternoon had suddenly escalated into a serious proposal that Einstein marry her instead of her mother. Einstein, she said, had confessed that he loved her. Moreover her mother, she reported, was prepared to step aside, if that was what would make Ilse happy.

    ''Albert himself is refusing to take any decision; he is prepared to marry either Mama or me,'' Ilse wrote. ''I know that A. loves me very much, perhaps more than any other man ever will, he also told me so himself yesterday,'' she went on.

    The feelings, however, were not quite reciprocal. Ilse loved Einstein like a father, she wrote, but she had no desire to be close to him physically. Her instinct, she confessed, was not to marry him. ''It will seem peculiar to you that I, a silly little thing of a 20-year-old, should have to decide on such a serious matter; I can hardly believe it myself and feel very unhappy doing so as well. Help me!''

    There is no evidence that the relationship with Ilse was ever consummated.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/31/science/einstein-confused-in-love-and-sometimes-physics.html?_r=0
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  55. @Dirk Dagger
    The photos in the NYT illustrate a popular iSteve theme, a world with no white men. Just vibrant and fecund immivaders and old virtshrewish white ladies.

    Definitely an aspect of the Agenda™, white people too old to fight or breed are often contrasted with fit young non-whites.

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  56. @Clyde

    Now I looked closer, and of course there’s the usual oversampling of Democrats....
     
    Do you know the *claimed* reason for Democrat over sampling? The poll masters phone up X number of people and the first 1000/2000/3000 that pick up and talk are the poll. Now part of the poll includes, are you independent or Republican or Democrat? If the people they just happen to call up (lol lol lulz) are mostly Democrats then the poll is called +5/+8 etc Democrat in the addendum that few pay attention to.

    Don’t be so naive. They do it on purpose: Wikileaks on oversampling recommendations to maximize media polling

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    Sorry, I see now that you were lulz-ing the idea that it "just happens" to turn out that way.
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  57. OT: From Peggy Noonan’s latest at the WSJ — “He was, as they say, declaring that he didn’t want to invade the world and invite the world.”

    Congratulations. You are finally going viral, if you can call a decades-long-slow-plod-toward-mainstream viral

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/imagine-a-sane-donald-trump-1477004871?mod=trending_now_7

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  58. @Altai
    See, I wouldn't mind, but we're just to assume the war in Syria will be artificially prolonged by the Israel/US/GCC axis and that these people are permanent immigrants rather than refugees sheltered during the duration of war. (However wasteful it is to house them in a very expensive country far away, but whatever, the UN seems to be keeping everyone under it's charge alive. If the upper class in Syria want to hide out in Canada instead of a UN camp I can't blame them. I can blame a lot of them for not actually needing to flee and using the leniency shown towards a Syrian passport to emigrate.)

    Europeans are quite generous and would have easily been parted with funds to house displaced people. But this attitude that these people should be accepted as permanent immigrants who need to be integrated was off everyone's lips and tone the second it happened. Why were the Germans worried about giving them German lessons? Because everyone knew they were economic migrants, but were still guilt-tripped! Wars don't last forever and it'd be a drop in the bucket for the 'international community' to pay to repair the main cities. (Not that that wouldn't defeat the purpose of the war to leave Syria in pieces, but maybe Assad will prevail and the neocns will be content with just taking the Syrian army apart and sowing ethnic strife.)

    Additionally was the tacit assumption that as intervention against Assad is something partaken in by many Western countries against the interests and will of the general public, particularly the poor, it was the responsibility of those people to deal with the young male spivs. I mean if the MSM says Assad is illegitimate and therefore needs to be 'regime-changed' by an angry mob, what does it say about the leadership of the Western world? It seems like the response to a Democratic deficient shouldn't be an even more unpopular policy that has permanent consequences and represents an existential threat.

    It's this annoying problem of sentiment that makes people never feel like explaining the constellation of emotional motivations. None of this is effective at dealing with people displaced by the fighting, it is only effective at displacing the native populations of Europe. But nobody ever calls them out how inefficient this is or that it goes to serve a bunch of young male spivs, rather than women, children and infirm.

    IOW,

    “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

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    For the bulk of the people who just respond emotionally to images and don't think too deeply, yes.
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  59. @Neither-Spiculus-Nor-Nero
    Zoodles comment reminded me of a picture I saw yesterday (even though it's not really relevant to Steve's original post about the Syrian in Canada).

    The two links below are to the same thing: an exchange between The Joker and the Red Skull.

    http://gizmodo.com/israeli-teens-arrested-in-connection-with-majority-of-1786495231?utm_source=taboola

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/q95jgn57eme4jnqbo8mj.png

    “When you realize what a joke everything is, being The Comedian is the only thing that makes sense.”

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    At first glance, I read "The Comedian" as "Canadian". That works too.
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  60. So I wonder how this bringing Third World people to the West ends up. The US, Canada, and Western Europe will look more like Brazil, but Brazil doesn’t provide as much state support to its poor people like we do, and you have to think there are limits to what we can pay for if we want to avoid high inflation. Milton Friedman said you can’t have open borders and a welfare state. I think he will be proven right.

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    I agree. I think it's the unspoken reason why some other things in Canada, like the military, are a laughingstock. Health care spending will be the single biggest expenditure in Canada in the coming decades, leaving little money to pay for everything else.
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  61. @reiner Tor
    Now I looked closer, and of course there's the usual oversampling of Democrats, and some people on Twitter are questioning whether it was possible for Trump to be only up +4 points among whites.

    So things are not totally gloomy, the more Trump-friendly polls' methodologies look simply better.

    First of all, you have to be living in cave to not know that the pollsters are being paid by the clintons. Not just supporting them, but being paid by them (a cool quarter million in September alone)

    So, assuming you already know that, here’s how they actually get their numbers: How WaPo’s Latest Poll Gave Hillary A 12 Point Advantage Over Trump

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  62. @JeremiahJohnbalaya

    Sorry, I see now that you were lulz-ing the idea that it “just happens” to turn out that way.

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  63. @Perspective
    As a Canadian, I fully admit there is a special, supercilious naivety about us. I think this may have to do with part of the Canadian identity now being predicated on appearing to be morally superior to Americans. One thing is for certain, with the government increasing immigration and refugee levels, our time for being guileless is running out fast. Unlike previous years, the Canadian government is focusing less on economic immigration and more on family reunification and refugee resettlement. The 2011 census showed that Ontario was just under 5 percent Muslim, this was before the Syrian and other refugee influx. On the ground level there is a noticeable shift in the demographics that is palpable in the larger metro areas.

    Canada, Sweden, Ireland and Norway are fascinating in that though they historically had little immigration, the rapid up-tick and speed seem to be causing more dislocation and estrangement in cities than the others that had a longer history. Needless to say a naive attitude or even a sense that it is their turn is pervasive. It’s really shocking how fast they’re catching up. Needless to say though Ireland and Norway are victims of governmental inaction, Sweden and Canada have been taken over by politicians who relish increasing the numbers and who obsess over it. To have huge desired targets for artificial immigration despite housing shortages and economic disaster for younger generations is staggering.

    Part of what makes it interesting is that the rapid importation of large numbers is dislocating on a day to day basis but politically has little impact as immigrants usually have no time for local politics and don’t usually furnish many candidates. It’s a lag before the natives have to face the immigrants identity politics taking true form.

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    Reminds me of a line spoken by a high level conspiracy dude on Xfiles:

    "This isn't colonization, this is spontaneous repopulation!"
    , @Ikram
    Canada is a country of immigration. Since the 1640s.
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  64. @Buzz Mohawk
    I just found out about a British couple who adopted a "twelve-year-old" Afgan boy who turned out to be a twenty-one-year-old terrorist:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/adoptive-parents-discover-12-year-old-afghan-son-21-year-old-trained-taliban-terrorist-video/

    I'm sure the vetting of Hillary's children would be much better.

    That article is hilarious. The foster mother had him share a room with her 13 year old son and turned her entire family halal. She wasn’t too concerned about the facial and body hair and upper body strength, but she became a bit suspicious by his ability to strip a rifle at a shooting range.

    The real tip-off, though, came when he “put the 13-year-old in expert holds, demanded cash and got calls from unknown numbers.”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2030373/migrant-foster-mum-reveals-her-horror-at-discovering-12-year-old-refugee-in-her-care-is-actually-a-21-year-old-jihadi/

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  65. @Random Dude on the Internet
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany

    Not only are European Jews moving to Israel at record rates, Germans are leaving Germany at high rates as well. Importing "Syrians" by the thousands will inevitably cause Canadians to flee Canada. As Europeans and Canadians look for other countries to resettle, I hope they consider places other than the United States. I fully expect Europeans to want to recreate Europe here as opposed to assimilate to American values. It will be grating to be lectured by a French immigrant on why building the wall is racist even though his home country got overrun by North Africans yet they will do it without a trace of irony. So I hope for everyone's sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they're looking to leave their home country.

    I hope for everyone’s sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they’re looking to leave their home country.

    I’ve been hoping that they don’t get displaced in the first place, but the death spiral continues. More Mosques are built in the West; no churches are built in the Mid-East. How small does the West get before it ceases to exist?

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  66. @zitt
    1. primarymodel.com
    2. Dem oversampling, then weeding out repubs with questions meant to disqualify them
    3. 'likely voters' ignores poor whites aka trump's base

    Thx.

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  67. @Intelligent Dasein
    For criminy's sake, will you please stop pronouncing that it's over? Stop watching the rigged poll-aganada and find your freaking guts. I'm sick and tired of the pessimism in these comment threads. There's more cheerfulness in an Ebola ward.

    I agree. I think the current “thing” by the media and all TV commentators/hosts is to beat the drum (every moment until Nov. 8) that Trump is soooo woefully behind, that you might as well not vote, is a tactic that is employed by so many people right now, whether on FB, TV, NPR, etc. Get Trump supporters distressed and pessimistic.

    Sometimes, I feel like Trump has spoken in code to his base…meaning, don’t tell “the enemy” your plans. With no signs out on lawns (see more for Trump, if anything) I for one, will thoroughly enjoy the exploding heads of the media who have been so in the tank for Clinton. Everyone (ex. Hannity) in the world of media, has ignored Hilllary’s corruption/CF corruption/Wikileaks. I feel that this will be a major wound for this country, and the trust in the media will disappear either way. Not one day, can I find a talking head who speaks about Wikileaks (except spouting about Russian nonsense), and all the corruption exposed of Clinton. It is sickening. Well, at least I can dump a lot of subscriptions after this election since I have only gotten continuous propaganda for one year!

    Trump needs to jet to as many rallies as possible, everyday, and keep beating his drums. People usually don’t lose confidence this late in the game – my prediction.

    And, GOP needs to be told that this is about the SCOTUS choices coming up in the next 4 years, which, if they don’t support Trump now, will assure them of never getting any of their policies through, nor ever finding a palatable candidate to face Chelsea or Huma in 15 years.

    I know an overwhelming amount of people who are voting for Trump but will not tell their neighbors/co-workers/spouses/polsters. And, this tactic to “legitimize” Trump falling ever so far behind, in polls, is the latest soup d’jour since sex-women-sex-women didn’t do it. And, pleez, the DNC went ballistic when GWB won! So the whole, “He must accept results,” is so pathetic.

    I think it is very interesting that all the chatter about the polls is coming from the Northeast Coast & California. The disrespect (I should say hatred) all liberals on the West Coast and Northeast Coast have towards the American people in between, is truly frightening. I predict it is going to backfire one way or the other.

    Lastly, this latest canard, that rich people will not vote for Trump is silly. In the long-run, they know the CF is a corrupt enterprise, and their fortunes may be on the line for her to please the middle class by expecting the top .1% to pay more taxes to fund the education initiatives, infrastructure, messy, no-end-in-sight jihadi wars in the ME, stuff like that – where else is she going to get that money? And, the merely rich, the $500K-low millions, well, their taxes will go to Scandinavian levels, so 45-60% (’cause that’s what Bernie so admired about Denmark). So, I’m not buying the, people earning 250K+ being so eager to vote for Hillary; since she is going to raise taxes from that level on up. The deficit/National Debt is embarrassing, so she will expect everyone to “chip in.” And, the people earning less than $400K, well, they all know that if you live in the coastal metro areas, that will not pay for elite U’s/private/schools/a decent place to live/decent retirement. People always forget about net income. I predict jittery voters pushing the lever for Trump in the last moment (especially 8 years of low growth and despair), ’cause, like who’s gonna know?

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    DJT will get a shove of good luck from your posting. :) My Trump lawn signs were stolen and burned three times. The fourth one is there and unmolested so far. My take is the local JD (juvenile delinquent, non-white if you are really want to know) is in another school district this year. Not unheard of.
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  68. @PiltdownMan

    Impoverished African migrants crowd the night shore of Djibouti city, trying to capture inexpensive cell signals from neighboring Somalia—a tenuous link to relatives abroad.
     
    http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/12/ngm-2013-djibouti-stanmeyer1.jpg

    A good cargo cult photo. Tribal members holding up their magic vocal sticks into the dark. Photo is 50% staged but accurate enough.

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  69. @Dirk Dagger
    The photos in the NYT illustrate a popular iSteve theme, a world with no white men. Just vibrant and fecund immivaders and old virtshrewish white ladies.

    Congrats the only internet hit for virtshrewish is from you

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  70. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says:
    @Cryptogenic

    When the sponsors tutored her in English, she often yawned through the lessons.
     
    If you look up Survivor's Guilt in the DSM-V, that's like the first symptom. Holy cow, she's got it bad.

    English? I’m wondering how good her Arabic is.

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  72. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews raze Palestinian homes and cut down their olive trees.

    https://twitter.com/madeniexdan1/status/789851270081282048

    It is an iSteve world … a little g**gling reveals that they cut down her poor tree to make a golf course. And yes, the sand traps on the West Bank are a bitch.

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  73. @Almost Missouri
    Why is it that "impoverished" (as if they were ever not in poverty) African migrants always seem to have better, more expensive cell phones than I do?

    1. There are some very inexpensive off brand Chinese and Indian Android cell phone brands that never make it to the US – some as low as $4 -that’s not a misprint.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36651700

    Cell phone service is likewise much cheaper in many countries – in the US we have semi-monopolies and the FCC interfering with markets so we pay more for cell service (and cable and internet) than just about anyone.

    2. Old white dudes seem to like old phones – I guess it’s some sort of ANTI status symbol that you don’t waste time tweeting your friends or whatever it is that young folks do with smart phones. Last night I was at an event where there was a very well known older political figure and I saw the guy using a flip phone that would sell on ebay for $5 (with free shipping). He also had a date that was half his age, but I digress. In Africa a nice phone might be one of the few status symbols you might own, but old white dudes don’t need to derive status from something as modest as a cell phone. How much is a really nice cell phone? $400? 500? Chump change for a rich white dude.

    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now – you could sell it for melt value.

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    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now – you could sell it for melt value.
     
    This company does exist and is called Vertu. It was founded by Nokia a couple decades ago, but is now sold to some private equity. Vertu phones are expensive, but technologically modest bling.
    , @Big Bill
    Much cheaper to buy Lamborgini, Porsche, and/or Maserati key blanks, get them cut, and put them on your key chain (at least one of them comes in bright colors :) ).

    Then leave them on the table (where your cute female target cannot avoid seeing them) and go buy drinks at the bar.

    A diamond-studded "Rorex" watch works, too.
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  74. @Lagertha
    I agree. I think the current "thing" by the media and all TV commentators/hosts is to beat the drum (every moment until Nov. 8) that Trump is soooo woefully behind, that you might as well not vote, is a tactic that is employed by so many people right now, whether on FB, TV, NPR, etc. Get Trump supporters distressed and pessimistic.

    Sometimes, I feel like Trump has spoken in code to his base...meaning, don't tell "the enemy" your plans. With no signs out on lawns (see more for Trump, if anything) I for one, will thoroughly enjoy the exploding heads of the media who have been so in the tank for Clinton. Everyone (ex. Hannity) in the world of media, has ignored Hilllary's corruption/CF corruption/Wikileaks. I feel that this will be a major wound for this country, and the trust in the media will disappear either way. Not one day, can I find a talking head who speaks about Wikileaks (except spouting about Russian nonsense), and all the corruption exposed of Clinton. It is sickening. Well, at least I can dump a lot of subscriptions after this election since I have only gotten continuous propaganda for one year!

    Trump needs to jet to as many rallies as possible, everyday, and keep beating his drums. People usually don't lose confidence this late in the game - my prediction.

    And, GOP needs to be told that this is about the SCOTUS choices coming up in the next 4 years, which, if they don't support Trump now, will assure them of never getting any of their policies through, nor ever finding a palatable candidate to face Chelsea or Huma in 15 years.

    I know an overwhelming amount of people who are voting for Trump but will not tell their neighbors/co-workers/spouses/polsters. And, this tactic to "legitimize" Trump falling ever so far behind, in polls, is the latest soup d'jour since sex-women-sex-women didn't do it. And, pleez, the DNC went ballistic when GWB won! So the whole, "He must accept results," is so pathetic.

    I think it is very interesting that all the chatter about the polls is coming from the Northeast Coast & California. The disrespect (I should say hatred) all liberals on the West Coast and Northeast Coast have towards the American people in between, is truly frightening. I predict it is going to backfire one way or the other.

    Lastly, this latest canard, that rich people will not vote for Trump is silly. In the long-run, they know the CF is a corrupt enterprise, and their fortunes may be on the line for her to please the middle class by expecting the top .1% to pay more taxes to fund the education initiatives, infrastructure, messy, no-end-in-sight jihadi wars in the ME, stuff like that - where else is she going to get that money? And, the merely rich, the $500K-low millions, well, their taxes will go to Scandinavian levels, so 45-60% ('cause that's what Bernie so admired about Denmark). So, I'm not buying the, people earning 250K+ being so eager to vote for Hillary; since she is going to raise taxes from that level on up. The deficit/National Debt is embarrassing, so she will expect everyone to "chip in." And, the people earning less than $400K, well, they all know that if you live in the coastal metro areas, that will not pay for elite U's/private/schools/a decent place to live/decent retirement. People always forget about net income. I predict jittery voters pushing the lever for Trump in the last moment (especially 8 years of low growth and despair), 'cause, like who's gonna know?

    DJT will get a shove of good luck from your posting. :) My Trump lawn signs were stolen and burned three times. The fourth one is there and unmolested so far. My take is the local JD (juvenile delinquent, non-white if you are really want to know) is in another school district this year. Not unheard of.

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  75. The new Samsung Galaxy is $700+ and I think the new iPhone is about the same.

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  76. @anony-mouse
    A marriage without children.

    Incest is OK as long as it does not produce children? I am pretty sure they would have children if Einstein’s 2nd wife was younger. She gave birth to 3 kids in her first marriage. The two of her daughters (Ilse and Margot) lived with her and Einstein. There was more complex dynamics there.

    From NYT:

    Ilse, the older of Elsa’s two daughters, was serving as Einstein’s secretary.

    The letter was a plea for advice. In it Ilse related how a simple ”jest” one afternoon had suddenly escalated into a serious proposal that Einstein marry her instead of her mother. Einstein, she said, had confessed that he loved her. Moreover her mother, she reported, was prepared to step aside, if that was what would make Ilse happy.

    ”Albert himself is refusing to take any decision; he is prepared to marry either Mama or me,” Ilse wrote. ”I know that A. loves me very much, perhaps more than any other man ever will, he also told me so himself yesterday,” she went on.

    The feelings, however, were not quite reciprocal. Ilse loved Einstein like a father, she wrote, but she had no desire to be close to him physically. Her instinct, she confessed, was not to marry him. ”It will seem peculiar to you that I, a silly little thing of a 20-year-old, should have to decide on such a serious matter; I can hardly believe it myself and feel very unhappy doing so as well. Help me!”

    There is no evidence that the relationship with Ilse was ever consummated.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/31/science/einstein-confused-in-love-and-sometimes-physics.html?_r=0

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  77. @Arclight
    Nice highlight of the insanity of the west's moral vanity when it comes to refugees. I recently had a conversation with a friend from MN on this subject and he insisted that the US has a history of taking in refugees and it would be against our values to end that practice. The conversation then turned to the Somali population and within a few minutes he matter of factly stated that no one in the Twin Cities can stand them and how they add absolutely nothing to society. This inability to say "no" even when perfectly aware of the consequences seems to have taken hold.

    Did you point this inconsistency out to him, or did the two ideas exist at different levels of abstraction that he hadn’t managed to connect?

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  78. @Jack D
    1. There are some very inexpensive off brand Chinese and Indian Android cell phone brands that never make it to the US - some as low as $4 -that's not a misprint.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36651700

    Cell phone service is likewise much cheaper in many countries - in the US we have semi-monopolies and the FCC interfering with markets so we pay more for cell service (and cable and internet) than just about anyone.

    2. Old white dudes seem to like old phones - I guess it's some sort of ANTI status symbol that you don't waste time tweeting your friends or whatever it is that young folks do with smart phones. Last night I was at an event where there was a very well known older political figure and I saw the guy using a flip phone that would sell on ebay for $5 (with free shipping). He also had a date that was half his age, but I digress. In Africa a nice phone might be one of the few status symbols you might own, but old white dudes don't need to derive status from something as modest as a cell phone. How much is a really nice cell phone? $400? 500? Chump change for a rich white dude.

    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now - you could sell it for melt value.

    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now – you could sell it for melt value.

    This company does exist and is called Vertu. It was founded by Nokia a couple decades ago, but is now sold to some private equity. Vertu phones are expensive, but technologically modest bling.

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  79. @Jimi
    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

    No shit. Jack D. seems to be saying that since there isn’t a valid chain of possession, the Israeli government is free to give the land to a settler and thereby create a title history. Any Palestinians who previously owned the land are just spoil sports for not accepting that their loss of land and livelihood is their own fault for living in a conquered land.

    That picture may be staged propaganda or not. The person pictured may be a terrorist or not. I don’t and can’t know the answers to these questions. I do know that to justify taking land from Palestinians because the Palestinians didn’t have clear title is equal parts disingenuous and idiotic.

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    To Hell with the Palestinians. They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, despite having the only UN refugee admin on their side for almost 70 years. Their own Arab brethren don't want them.

    UNRWA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA
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  80. @Intelligent Dasein
    For criminy's sake, will you please stop pronouncing that it's over? Stop watching the rigged poll-aganada and find your freaking guts. I'm sick and tired of the pessimism in these comment threads. There's more cheerfulness in an Ebola ward.

    proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
    That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart;
    his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse

    Henry V, Act IV Scene iii

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  81. @Jimi Shmendrix
    Lies. One of the more odious ones, in fact, as it is specified in the Torah that the enemy's trees go unharmed. Every year the Arabs trim their trees, then blame the nefarious Jews.

    How’s it going with observing the scriptural injunctions against homosexuality, Jews?

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    Ideologically, the homosexual contingent, along with the rest of the Israeli left, is allied with the Arabs against the religious "settlers" who are accused of these wrongdoings. Try to keep up.
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  82. @Jimi
    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

    Lol, no, but there’s a lot of land that belonged to the Jordanian state (The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan) before the 1967 war when they lost it to Israel. At that point, state land remained state land, but it passed to the new state in charge — Israel. Trouble is, Arabs who ran their goats over that land, or just looked at it from their homes, consider it “theirs”.

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  83. @Intelligent Dasein
    For criminy's sake, will you please stop pronouncing that it's over? Stop watching the rigged poll-aganada and find your freaking guts. I'm sick and tired of the pessimism in these comment threads. There's more cheerfulness in an Ebola ward.

    There’s pessimism and then there’s realism. Trump probably won’t win but he is still going to get a very significant % of the vote total. To me that’s pretty amazing given that the ENTIRE power structure of this country, Republican and Democrat, ALL the media, etc. have all been arrayed against him and have spent months and months beating it into the head of every American, esp. every American female, that Trump is Hitler, that he is a rapist, etc. Either this means that, as Hillary said, that a significant % of Americans are deplorable or else, that there is deep, deep dissatisfaction with the track that our country is currently on.

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    In any event, a couple days ago I bet €100 on a Trump victory, I'll have a 450% return if that does happen. I don't really expect it to happen, but you Americans should all vote so that I'll at least have a chance!
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  84. @Jimi
    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

    Actually it might very well belong to a Jewish family who was ethnically cleansed from that area in 1948 when it was invaded by Jordan.

    But regardless of that, we have a context-free obviously staged photo. Who cut down the tree? The family who planted it? A rival “Palestinian” tribe? We will never actually know.

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  85. A supposedly level-headed MSM take on what the Trump phenomenon means:

    As for condemning a Trump voter morally for endorsing a candidate who has called for immoral policies toward Latinos and Muslims, this, too, assumes that Trump voters necessarily share his views.

    Actually, what it assumes is that Trump voters acquiesce to the unstated premise of the elite and the media that rationally weighing the cost and benefits of immigrants to the United States is immoral. That admitting more of people from countries who are on average a benefit and less of those from countries who are on average a detriment is immoral. That taking into account the effect of immigration policy on the outcomes of the lives of people who are already citizens here is immoral. That what would have been known as common sense and the position of both mainstream political parties 20 years ago is immoral. We are so screwed with these people running our society.

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    Why is it that liberal journalists insist that all of Trump's supporters are the great unwashed? This idea alone, is condescending and still repudiating people who voted for him. So many Trump voters are people who are taking into account the mess in the Middle East, the corrupt CF, and the grifter couple they don't wanna see back in the WH - meaning, university educated people are supporting him as well. And, college students.

    I believe very strongly, "it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings!" - couldn't resist to fate-shame! Trump just needs to press very hard in FLA, OH, PA (do a rally in Shanksville) NC (they are getting the most amount of Unaccompanied Minors which is wrecking their Ed funding) WI & MN (Why not? - you know there will be more Somalis killing people at malls once winter comes), NH & ME, maybe even RI & CT, NV, AZ & CO, of course. Just keep flying - bring Sheriff Clarke on board, bring Milo, Ann, Laura, too. Remind everyone how Bernie was kicked to the curb by the DNC - notice Elizabeth Warren is off the radar completely.
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  86. @Talha

    uncle niece marriage
     
    This is prohibited by consensus - from either the father's side or the mother's side. What you may be thinking is the daughter or son marrying the cousin of the father or mother - then, yes, that would be permissible.

    Peace.

    “Consensus” has nothing to do with it.

    It is haram.

    See Surah 4.23, 4.24.

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    Hey Big Bill,

    I was simply pointing out that the evidence was so decisive that no one in history has diverged from that position.

    I honestly don't know where people get this nonsense from.

    Peace.
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  87. @Random Dude on the Internet
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany

    Not only are European Jews moving to Israel at record rates, Germans are leaving Germany at high rates as well. Importing "Syrians" by the thousands will inevitably cause Canadians to flee Canada. As Europeans and Canadians look for other countries to resettle, I hope they consider places other than the United States. I fully expect Europeans to want to recreate Europe here as opposed to assimilate to American values. It will be grating to be lectured by a French immigrant on why building the wall is racist even though his home country got overrun by North Africans yet they will do it without a trace of irony. So I hope for everyone's sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they're looking to leave their home country.

    Like Californians in Colorado….

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  88. Apparently Gavin MacFayden of Wikileaks has died. He was 76 but still, you know.

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    An attorney who represented Assange (John Jones, QC) committed suicide back in April - threw himself in front of a train.
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  89. Ms. Hajj, however, often stayed up for much of the night to converse with relatives seven hours ahead, growing weepy and exhausted by dawn.

    I suspect her husband and sons will soon be finding diversion elsewhere of an evening.

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  90. @Jack D
    1. There are some very inexpensive off brand Chinese and Indian Android cell phone brands that never make it to the US - some as low as $4 -that's not a misprint.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36651700

    Cell phone service is likewise much cheaper in many countries - in the US we have semi-monopolies and the FCC interfering with markets so we pay more for cell service (and cable and internet) than just about anyone.

    2. Old white dudes seem to like old phones - I guess it's some sort of ANTI status symbol that you don't waste time tweeting your friends or whatever it is that young folks do with smart phones. Last night I was at an event where there was a very well known older political figure and I saw the guy using a flip phone that would sell on ebay for $5 (with free shipping). He also had a date that was half his age, but I digress. In Africa a nice phone might be one of the few status symbols you might own, but old white dudes don't need to derive status from something as modest as a cell phone. How much is a really nice cell phone? $400? 500? Chump change for a rich white dude.

    BTW, I remember a few years ago there was some company that was trying to peddle really expensive cell phones with precious metal cases as status symbols for rich guys like watches are, but the technology changes too rapidly for that to work. Your 4 year old gold case flip phone is junk now - you could sell it for melt value.

    Much cheaper to buy Lamborgini, Porsche, and/or Maserati key blanks, get them cut, and put them on your key chain (at least one of them comes in bright colors :) ).

    Then leave them on the table (where your cute female target cannot avoid seeing them) and go buy drinks at the bar.

    A diamond-studded “Rorex” watch works, too.

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  91. @Jimi
    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

    Why do you say “land registries are messed up”?

    Everyone knows who owns the land and what happened to it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws

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  92. @Jack D
    There's pessimism and then there's realism. Trump probably won't win but he is still going to get a very significant % of the vote total. To me that's pretty amazing given that the ENTIRE power structure of this country, Republican and Democrat, ALL the media, etc. have all been arrayed against him and have spent months and months beating it into the head of every American, esp. every American female, that Trump is Hitler, that he is a rapist, etc. Either this means that, as Hillary said, that a significant % of Americans are deplorable or else, that there is deep, deep dissatisfaction with the track that our country is currently on.

    In any event, a couple days ago I bet €100 on a Trump victory, I’ll have a 450% return if that does happen. I don’t really expect it to happen, but you Americans should all vote so that I’ll at least have a chance!

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  93. If by naive Canadians you mean “Justin the Stupid Little White Boy”, sure.

    Most other Canadians who support this are just virtue signaling by following his lead.

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    Otherwise known as Justin Bieber. Plus the Premier of Ontario is a rug muncher.
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  94. @Talha

    uncle niece marriage
     
    This is prohibited by consensus - from either the father's side or the mother's side. What you may be thinking is the daughter or son marrying the cousin of the father or mother - then, yes, that would be permissible.

    Peace.

    Thanks for the incest insights.

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    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.
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  95. @Lurker
    Apparently Gavin MacFayden of Wikileaks has died. He was 76 but still, you know.

    An attorney who represented Assange (John Jones, QC) committed suicide back in April – threw himself in front of a train.

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  96. @jimbojones
    Families do have borders. I have two grandmothers, an aunt, two cousins, and now the cousins' children, about 9 time zones away. They do very well for themselves and we don't see each other very often.

    But hey, can't expect the NYT to say much that is true, even remotely coherent, or written half-decently.

    One can expect the NYT, however, to write articles so lugubriously saccharine and sentimental one's in danger of developing diabetes just by reading the stuff.

    > One can expect the NYT, however, to write articles so lugubriously saccharine and sentimental one’s in danger of developing diabetes just by reading the stuff.

    These articles are written for barren catladies who have misplaced maternal instincts. Instead of raising a few of their own biological children or look after their many grandchildren (since these women look to be in their 50s or 60s), they decide to raise grown men and women from Lebanon or Syria. It’s pretty disturbing when you think about it.

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  97. @Jack D
    Not that any American should give a f*ck about that lady and her staged olive tree picture, but that olive tree looks like it is maybe 3 or 4 years old - it was planted recently and probably illegally. Among the many messed up things in 3rd worldish places like the West Bank, there's usually no good system of land title registry so nobody really knows who owns what. As you can imagine, Palestinian Arabs are always running blood feuds among rival clans where they poison each other's livestock, etc. as they have been doing for centuries, but nobody gives a damn about those.

    There are hundreds of thousands of humans dead in Arab on Arab fighting in Syria and nobody cares, but a Jew (supposedly) cuts down a tree sapling and it's an international incident. Give me a break.

    lol. This was the same argument we used to justify apartheid. Nobody bought it, especially jews

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    which apartheid ?
    iranian apartheid ?
    saudi apartheid ?
    sudanese apartheid ?
    pakistani apartheid ?
    or the apartheid that exists in all islamic countries ?
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  98. Has anyone here paused to consider that the West needs a massive flood of insufferable immigrants stat?

    Recall Ryan Enos’ study relating exposure to diversity and a tendency to dislike it. In places like southern CA, we’ve observed a trickle become a flow become a flood. There was nowhere an inflection point great enough to cause sufficient popular upset to manifest sufficient political resistance to the invasion. The 1994 surge nearly did the job, but not quite.

    From the ruler’s perspective, overhauling demographics is like making custard. Pour the boiling cream into the eggs slowly. Pour too fast and you’ve got scrambled eggs.

    So too could it be with the West at large vis a vis Sailer’s most important graph in the world. The only chance at an asymptotically European Europe is to make Europeans all aware at once and to a great degree the downsides of all that vibrancy. Viewed this way, Merkel’s boner may have been the vaccination which will ultimately save Europe.

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  99. @Cryptogenic

    When the sponsors tutored her in English, she often yawned through the lessons.
     
    If you look up Survivor's Guilt in the DSM-V, that's like the first symptom. Holy cow, she's got it bad.

    she’s got it bad

    I think Canada and Canadians have a “it” a lot worse.

    So you’re saying yawning is a symptom/sign of ‘Survivor’s Guilt’? — that seems a bit strange to me, honestly — anyway, I have no doubt ‘Survivor’s Guilt’ is real, not to mention the difficulty of adapting to life in another country/culture, where they speak another language — especially when you’re an illiterate third word woman — an alternative explanation is that she’s just plain dumb and lazy — unmotivated — because she sees that they give her everything she needs anyway — she gets a place to live, food, medical care — all the essentials are provided, whether she learns English or not, whether she yawns a lot or not — you have to understand: word gets around — these people know they will get a free life in a nice white country — all they have to do is make it there — they develop a sense of entitlement — Canada is known as a soft touch — there is now a considerable Afghan diaspora — a network — I know for a fact that marrying off a daughter to an Afghan male who lives in Canada is a plum achievement among these people — all of this will never end — unless western countries end it.

    The 1951 Refugee Convention — this was the start of it — for their own survival, every western nation ought to unilaterally abrogate this treaty — because it gives control over who comes to their countries to the UN — and it is now pretty clear that it is mostly a scam that funnels an endless stream of third world people — most of whom are, in one way or another, economic migrants (‘developing countries’ will always be that) into the first world — and it will not end until western nations stop it.

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    Your heart is in the right place but your Sarcasm Dampener is cranked up to Spinal Tap 11.
    , @eah, @eah
    a free life in a nice white country

    Fury in Germany over Syrian Muslim refugee who gets state hand-outs for his FOUR wives and 22 children

    A German financial manager released his calculation of what the German state is paying to the entire family annually. On the website of the Employers' Association he estimated that the refugees are getting roughly 360,000 Euro per year.
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  100. @Jimi
    I suppose since the land registries are messed the land might as well belong to a Jewish couple from Brooklyn.

    “A Tree Gets Cut Down in Brooklyn” — Didn’t I see that movie once before?

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  101. it seems over

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  102. OT: The media not even bothering to pretend that they are neutral:

    The media shut down the Trump spinning

    By Jennifer Rubin (who also doesn’t pretend to be anything but unremittingly hostile to the constituents of her what is ostensibly her own party)

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    WaPo -- Trump can’t just be defeated. He must be humiliated. -- Donald Trump is running against democracy itself.

    At least this is in the 'Opinions' section -- but generally media hacks are cutting their own throats with their 'reporting', their 'journalism' in this election -- the alienation many Americans feel will simply not be reparable.

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  103. @biz
    Indeed. Southern Ontario, which has what passes for a moderate climate in Canada, looks like it is damn near majority Muslim these days, judging by the numbers of burkas / niqabs / whatever that I saw. By contrast I was recently in a small city in the middle of Canada, where they have some of the harshest winters on Earth, and there was nary a "refugee" to be found.

    In that small city with the harsh climate there were Chinese, Philipinos, and Sikhs, so it isn't like immigrants won't go there. But Muslims, even refugees supposedly fleeing a war zone, know that living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar.

    If you watch any CBC at all, you’ll see at least one Muslim chick in a hijab shoe-horned into every minute of every show.

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    It's been going on for awhile now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDkACPLkOFs

    This show ran for several seasons, and our gentle Canadian Pravda crowed about how funny and popular it was for years.

    Does anyone think this show was popular, funny, viable, etc.? Does anything think this is anything less than propaganda and normalization?
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  104. @zitt
    lol. This was the same argument we used to justify apartheid. Nobody bought it, especially jews

    which apartheid ?
    iranian apartheid ?
    saudi apartheid ?
    sudanese apartheid ?
    pakistani apartheid ?
    or the apartheid that exists in all islamic countries ?

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  105. @Mr. Anon
    OT: The media not even bothering to pretend that they are neutral:

    The media shut down the Trump spinning

    By Jennifer Rubin (who also doesn't pretend to be anything but unremittingly hostile to the constituents of her what is ostensibly her own party)

    WaPo — Trump can’t just be defeated. He must be humiliated.Donald Trump is running against democracy itself.

    At least this is in the ‘Opinions’ section — but generally media hacks are cutting their own throats with their ‘reporting’, their ‘journalism’ in this election — the alienation many Americans feel will simply not be reparable.

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  106. @Talha

    uncle niece marriage
     
    This is prohibited by consensus - from either the father's side or the mother's side. What you may be thinking is the daughter or son marrying the cousin of the father or mother - then, yes, that would be permissible.

    Peace.

    Jews can marry their nieces in Rhode Island. Presumably their nephews, too, now. Look it up.

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    Hey RC,

    Wow! I did look it up - had no clue that was a thing! You learn something new every day!

    Peace.
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  107. Canada didn’t have this problem with the Anka family, did they?

    Speaking of families, could the permanent White House staff get a restraining order against Bill, so he has to keep his distance from the premises? After all, the Willie-Willey-willy incident took place there, right?

    And how many would it take to turn the inauguration into history’s biggest rape vigil? It’s only a day or so away from the March for Life. They should all pack candles.

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  108. Mr Sailer, you just cannot win — you cannot reason with these people — so forget this incomprehensible ‘Citizenism’ stuff and come out as a White Nationalist — at least then you’ll be called a ‘racist’ for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

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    I think what Josh Marshall is trying to say is that the only reason Jews cut down olive trees in the West Bank is because Twitter isn't Jewish enough.
    , @Questionator
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win — you cannot reason with these people — so forget this incomprehensible ‘Citizenism’ stuff and come out as a White Nationalist — at least then you’ll be called a ‘racist’ for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    Is White majoritarianism the same as White nationalism?

    White majoritarianism in Europe and the Anglosphete is consistent with citizenism, by the way.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Some people actually wonder why (on average, wealthier) Asians support liberals.
    , @Pierrej
    I like how Marshall can't quite bring himself to call Steve a racist for simply noticing things, so instead he asserts that Steve invented racism.
    , @candid_observer
    Back in the election cycle of 2008 it was the stench of Josh Marshall's hackery that had much to do with awakening me from my then liberal dogmatic slumbers.

    He did a great deal to make me realize that the things liberals claim to care deeply about, because of principle, were readily expendable when it was politically expedient -- as so many things were for his hero, Obama.

    Nowadays it seems to be free speech and governmental transparency which are suddenly abominations for this shameless hypocrite. Funny how I might have thought that liberals not so many years ago believed they represented inviolable principles of good governance.

    Marshall seems to have made a point of dedicating his life to being a political hack. I don't know how someone does that who would seem to have alternatives.

    His favorite move is of course calling an opponent a racist. Oh, he hates racists. All of his opponents are racists, but all of his new opponents are far worse racists than all other previous racists.

    I think that Steve's progenitor status as a racist makes him the racistest of all.
    , @Brutusale
    Marshall's bride looks like the result of some Semitic inbreeding program.

    https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_200_200/p/4/005/085/183/0273509.jpg

    Lefties are always unhappy because of the women, by dint of they're inherent dweebieness, they're forced to be with.
    , @Midnight Wonkboy
    To me the odder thing in that tweet was Marshall's complaint about too many heterosexuals in the social media game. Not sure what he's driving at there.
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  109. I just flipped through the Sunday Times and every article is viciously anti-Trump, fawning over Clinton, or pushing the gay agenda. I’ve decided to cancel it after subscribing since 1990. I’ll miss parts of it, but I can’t in good conscience give these people my money any more.

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    But think about all the fodder the NYT provides to Steve for his great work here on the Unz Review! Without the MSM to disparage, our lives would be much less meaningful.
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  110. OT, but Trump has often been severely criticized for not having the “ground game” to get the votes out that Clinton does.

    But I think what we are seeing in the Project Veritas videos and the Wikileaks revelations what these “ground game” efforts of Clinton amount to: obvious illegal activity, which appears to be now something which is going to do great damage to her in the final weeks of the election.

    Trump probably has little such exposure, precisely because he hasn’t put any real money or energy into it.

    When you throw too much money at an electoral problem, likely a non-trivial portion of it ends up funding activities which are either illegal or unethical and damaging if found out.

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  111. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    If nations shouldn’t have bonds, why should families have bonds?

    And since when do globalists care about family values?

    I thought that was heteronormative BS.

    If the individual is all that counts, who cares if families are separated among various nations? If national unity is meaningless, so is family unity.

    Also, why must families be united in the US? Why not back in their home nations? Tell the people to go back and reunite with family.

    Immigration patterns are clearly white supremacist. Ask any non-white person where he/she wants to emigrate to, and you never get an egalitarian answer. They never want to move to black Africa, Muslim Middle East, diverse Latin America, or Asia.

    They all want to move to white Europe, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, or the US. They want to live with or under whites on the basis that whites are superior at running societies.
    They run from their own kind(seen as inferior) and avoid non-white nations(seen as inferior) and come to white nations(seen as superior or preferable), but they accuse whites of ‘racism’.

    Even within the US, non-whites want to move to whiter pastures, not to blacker or browner ones.

    When non-whites ask whites, “why aren’t you welcoming of us?”, whites should ask, “why are you so eager to flee from your own kind? Racist against your own people? See them as inferior?”

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  112. @Flip
    So I wonder how this bringing Third World people to the West ends up. The US, Canada, and Western Europe will look more like Brazil, but Brazil doesn't provide as much state support to its poor people like we do, and you have to think there are limits to what we can pay for if we want to avoid high inflation. Milton Friedman said you can't have open borders and a welfare state. I think he will be proven right.

    I agree. I think it’s the unspoken reason why some other things in Canada, like the military, are a laughingstock. Health care spending will be the single biggest expenditure in Canada in the coming decades, leaving little money to pay for everything else.

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  113. @eah
    she’s got it bad

    I think Canada and Canadians have a "it" a lot worse.

    So you're saying yawning is a symptom/sign of 'Survivor's Guilt'? -- that seems a bit strange to me, honestly -- anyway, I have no doubt 'Survivor's Guilt' is real, not to mention the difficulty of adapting to life in another country/culture, where they speak another language -- especially when you're an illiterate third word woman -- an alternative explanation is that she's just plain dumb and lazy -- unmotivated -- because she sees that they give her everything she needs anyway -- she gets a place to live, food, medical care -- all the essentials are provided, whether she learns English or not, whether she yawns a lot or not -- you have to understand: word gets around -- these people know they will get a free life in a nice white country -- all they have to do is make it there -- they develop a sense of entitlement -- Canada is known as a soft touch -- there is now a considerable Afghan diaspora -- a network -- I know for a fact that marrying off a daughter to an Afghan male who lives in Canada is a plum achievement among these people -- all of this will never end -- unless western countries end it.

    The 1951 Refugee Convention -- this was the start of it -- for their own survival, every western nation ought to unilaterally abrogate this treaty -- because it gives control over who comes to their countries to the UN -- and it is now pretty clear that it is mostly a scam that funnels an endless stream of third world people -- most of whom are, in one way or another, economic migrants ('developing countries' will always be that) into the first world -- and it will not end until western nations stop it.

    Your heart is in the right place but your Sarcasm Dampener is cranked up to Spinal Tap 11.

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    What can I say? -- I bow to your superior sarcasm detection ability -- but leave my internal organs out of it.
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  114. @Big Bill
    "Consensus" has nothing to do with it.

    It is haram.

    See Surah 4.23, 4.24.

    Hey Big Bill,

    I was simply pointing out that the evidence was so decisive that no one in history has diverged from that position.

    I honestly don’t know where people get this nonsense from.

    Peace.

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  115. @bomag
    IOW,

    "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

    For the bulk of the people who just respond emotionally to images and don’t think too deeply, yes.

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  116. @Reg Cæsar
    Jews can marry their nieces in Rhode Island. Presumably their nephews, too, now. Look it up.

    Hey RC,

    Wow! I did look it up – had no clue that was a thing! You learn something new every day!

    Peace.

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  117. Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary’s lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn’t matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let’s say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I’ve never seen any weighting factors given.

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    I'm not a pollster; I just play one on the internet.

    The key to a good poll is a good sample; it is best if your sample reflects the Dem-Repub ratio. If you start correcting for party affiliation, you would also have to add a factor for those who vote against party, etc.

    If your poll shows more Dems, then you probably should claim that this reflects more Dems in the country as it stands today.
    , @candid_observer
    Look, the deeper problem is that it is absolutely true that if you have a number of polls that show Trump either even with Hillary, or a point or two up, and you have a poll that shows her 12 points up, there must be a very serious case of systematic bias involved -- either in the polls showing Trump essentially tied, or in the poll showing him down by 12 points, or both. There simply is no other explanation.

    Whether that systematic bias is reflected in oversampling and not correctly weighting the raw numbers, or in some other way, mostly doesn't matter: we can know apriori that it must exist, because it's essentially impossible that the discrepancy is due to errors created by random sampling.

    I don't generally worry about the sampling biases one might be able to see -- I worry about those that we are never allowed to see. There are obviously many things that can be done in the protocols in drawing "raw data" that can greatly skew the result, and there are many things that can be done with that "raw data" after the fact to achieve a desired result. (In the NY Times recently four different polling/statistical teams were, for an experiment, given the same "raw data" and got four different final numbers, ranging over, I believe, 5 points -- and this was of course in a situation in which their results were going to be watched like a hawk by outside parties, discouraging any obvious cheating.)

    All we really have to rely on with these pollsters is their own sense of honesty.

    I will be forgiven, I think, if I don't have terribly high confidence in that honesty in this election cycle.

    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren't hacks, they're heroes!

    , @Jim Don Bob
    This is from a comment at Heartiste:

    "Most polls construct their samples based on a subset representative of the population you want information on. We have had two presidential cycles where there has been historic African American participation in the presidential election. Since a pollster would like to sample the voter population that will show up on Nov 8th. The percentages of voters who showed up in 2008 and 2012 would normally be a good guide.

    BUT, we are also coming off of historic off year elections in 2010 and 2014 where this African American voting block DID NOT show up to the polls. The effects of these elections are so disparate that pollsters SHOULD find some sample methodology that would be the average of 2008,2010,2012 and 2014.

    Now the inside baseball, everyone in politics knows that Killary will NOT get Obama 2008 and 2012 numbers. But they don’t know how close the numbers will be to 2010 and 2014. So they hedge their bets and take a point in the middle.

    With me so far? Ok so if you are corrupt and you KNOW that nobody has the answer for the sample percentages what do you do? That’s right you stack the deck with people who will say that 2016 will be like 2012 and 2008!!! You stack the deck so well and convince the sample constructors so much that everyone herds along and puts their sample construction at 2008/2012 numbers.This thumb pressing on the scales is deliberate manipulation at one point in the polling execution that is high impact low deception detection. AND it’s defense-able!! Nobody knows “for sure” that Killary won’t get Obama numbers. So it’s easy to convince the weak minded that she will.

    But the killer in all this is the AMOUNT of thumb pressing the sample creators had to do to get Hillary up in their polls!!! Right now the pollsters are assuming a voter population EXACTLY like 2008! They are assuming the first AA president enthusiasm! And they will be wrong. But what may happen is an opposite effect of the enthusiasm going into the R column instead of the D column. This could not only swing the 5 point thumb pressing margin. But add another 5 points in the opposite direction! Which of course would yield a Dilbert Landslide outcome.

    THIS is why Killary was shrieking about why she is not ahead by 50 points. She was projecting a very real fear. If 2016 is NOT going have turnouts like 2008 she will need that wide margin in the polls to win. Since she is not ahead by wide margins there IS A REAL possibility that turnout not in keeping with 2008/2012 will lead to defeat.

    I have always felt in my “gut” that Scott Adams was right about the landslide. But I always chuckled that such a margin was not possible. And in reality IT SHOULD NOT BE. But if the polls are fudged by the margins I think they are. AND Trump gets the enthusiasm like Obama 2008 in his column. It just might be a landslide of epic proportions, like Regan in 1980. No one saw 1980 coming either."
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems that this model would not hold up well under big realignment elections. I"m assuming that a lot of registered Dems crossed over for Nixon in 72.
    , @larry lurker

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn’t matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population.
     
    I wondered about this too. Surely this must be what they're doing. The data on the undersampled population would be a bit noisier is all, right? I mean, ideally you'd want less noise. Ideally you'd want to poll every single person in the country, too...

    It's like with global warming - I'll give climatologists the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's occurred to them to take "natural warming and cooling cycles" into account when studying climate change. (Just now got around to googling this: they do indeed take this into account. Or so they claim!)

    Anyway, I still vividly remember Nate Silver correctly predicting all 50 states the day before the 2012 election - and 49 in 2008. (Regarding 2008 he said something like, "Yeah, f*cking Indiana" in a live interview.) It convinced me that there may be something to this poll aggregation thing, at least for general elections- I couldn't care less how wrong he was during the primaries.
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  118. @Jack Highlands
    Thanks for the incest insights.

    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one’s potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it’s between consenting adults?

    Peace.

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    http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2010/09/09/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/
    , @Jack Highlands
    The coefficient of relatedness is the key difference between you and us. And it's an elegant example of gene-religion coevolution.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/
    , @Yak-15
    Large negative externalities is why you must prohibit cousin marriage. Increased rate of mental retardation and other serious genetic diseases is the result. Who pays for it? Education, healthcare costs and other social costs are born by others.

    Consider the tremendous costs of educating a trisomy 21 child alone. That is a lot of money and if cousin marriage were to become more common you are adding more costs to the system which is already on the verge of collapse.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation.
     
    Really? The utility of exposing the tribal nature of your preferences is quite instructive. You and your brother against your cousin, etc. And now you want to claim:

    It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one’s potential offspring.
     
    Right, because you might need those retards to be the instruments of conducting suicide missions to achieve your political objectives.

    If you are an atheist
     
    Damn you for making me defend atheists. But atheists are not stupid, and they don't want a large influx of retards into the Western World.
    , @guest
    "what do you care if it's between consenting adults?"

    You're right. Now let me go eff my sister.

    Don't you dare object, or even cringe at the thought, or you're a bigot!
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  119. @Intelligent Dasein
    Your heart is in the right place but your Sarcasm Dampener is cranked up to Spinal Tap 11.

    What can I say? — I bow to your superior sarcasm detection ability — but leave my internal organs out of it.

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  120. The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis in the “degradation ceremony,” in which the perpetrator (Trump) is held by denouncers (officeholders and others in positions of influence) to be morally unacceptable, and witnesses (the public) agree that the perpetrator is no longer held in good standing.

    Psychologist Wynn Schwartz, who teaches at Harvard Medical School, explained to me that what’s needed to have a successful degradation of Trump is an epic defeat. “If it is lopsided enough,” he said, “you don’t have critical masses of people who feel disenfranchised” or “who feel justified in saying that it was stolen.

    It’s amazing how wrong the train of thought is here. We’ve already had the officeholders and influencers declare Trump to be morally unacceptable, and yet we still hold him in good standing. Will piling on a presumed Trump loss sway our opinion? No, it would just elevate him more in our eyes. We already (rightly) feel that we’ve been disfranchised.

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    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/
    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    Yesterday members of the press got heckled as part of being the "lugenpresse" (lying press). There are a lot of people who aren't going to just pack it up and go home after November 8 even if Trump loses like Barry Goldwater did in 1964 (no evidence that will happen, I'm just presenting it as a worst case scenario). Thanks to Trump, millions of people have made the connections about the collusion of business, liberal politics, high finance, and the media. They've lost their legitimacy and the media is apparently quite shaken up about it. Rush Limbaugh and talk radio was never quite able to articulate the collusion quite like Donald Trump has. Rush and Co. may have talked about it but with Trump, people are able to witness it up close and personal.
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  121. @reiner Tor
    OT

    According to the ABC polls, it seems over. Trump dropped heavily (most among Republicans who'd have preferred another candidate) since October 13, and apparently most voters now think he lost the last debate. They also disapprove of his "refusal to accept the legitimacy of the elections, should he lose". Looking at state polls, it appears to me Trump cannot really win now.

    Of course, the polls could turn out to have beeen manipulated (he's narrowly leading nationwide in some other polls), but chances are we'll be celebrating the first woman president on the anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch.

    Look, there are three tracking polls that show Trump either tied or up a point or two at this time: IBD, Rasmussen, and LA Times.

    The ABC poll shows him down by 12 pts. Either the three polls are all totally corrupted by systematic bias, or the ABC poll is (or possibly all 4 of them are so corrupted).

    Seeing discrepancies this extreme, and especially at this stage of the election, where if anything one would expect more convergence, I have to believe that there’s serious manipulation involved. And I frankly believe that the pollsters for the media no longer have any compunction about engaging in clear manipulation. The media paying for these polls have already committed themselves to unprecedented distortion of the news on behalf of their candidate, and also see their own reputation and future at stake because of Trump’s attack on them.

    The media and its minions have never been as dishonest as in this election — it’s not even close — they’ve lapped themslves.

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    The ABC seems to be running full-time anti-Trump propaganda based on the show I saw the other day, so I would not be surprised if they have a biased poll out as well.

    I wonder if their viewership is going down?
    , @candid_observer
    One other point about these polls.

    Any number of the polls showing Trump down also show him going way, way down after some event -- such as the last debate -- which simply doesn't seem in any way reflected in the tracking polls such as the LA Times.

    The LA Times poll, for example, shows some pretty impressive stability in the numbers across all of these supposedly important events, including (so far) the last debate.

    It's even harder to square the wild swings in these other polls (I gather that in the ABC poll Trump went from 4 down to 12 down) with the stability of the tracking polls.

    Now the tracking polls are in fact conducted over a longer period of time -- the LA Times poll is over 7 days, so some smoothing is inherently taking place as against polls taken over just a few days. But looking at the curves of, say, the LA Times poll, which are stable within a couple of points over a couple weeks, it's impossible to make out how these wild swings could actually exist underneath the smoothing. The point is, even if the model of the LA Times poll gives Trump a higher number than he has in reality, actual major swings in his underlying support should be reflected in their numbers -- especially since the overall sample is nearly 3,000.

    It's hard to see why the LA Times pollsters would tinker with their model to maintain a false stability. Far more likely, they just made a decision at the beginning as to how their model would work, and have stuck with it.

    So when I see polls that swing wildly with events, and in the exact way their media overlords might like to see, I am very skeptical.
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  122. @annon
    Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary's lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn't matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let's say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I've never seen any weighting factors given.

    I’m not a pollster; I just play one on the internet.

    The key to a good poll is a good sample; it is best if your sample reflects the Dem-Repub ratio. If you start correcting for party affiliation, you would also have to add a factor for those who vote against party, etc.

    If your poll shows more Dems, then you probably should claim that this reflects more Dems in the country as it stands today.

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  123. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    I think what Josh Marshall is trying to say is that the only reason Jews cut down olive trees in the West Bank is because Twitter isn’t Jewish enough.

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  124. @candid_observer
    Look, there are three tracking polls that show Trump either tied or up a point or two at this time: IBD, Rasmussen, and LA Times.

    The ABC poll shows him down by 12 pts. Either the three polls are all totally corrupted by systematic bias, or the ABC poll is (or possibly all 4 of them are so corrupted).

    Seeing discrepancies this extreme, and especially at this stage of the election, where if anything one would expect more convergence, I have to believe that there's serious manipulation involved. And I frankly believe that the pollsters for the media no longer have any compunction about engaging in clear manipulation. The media paying for these polls have already committed themselves to unprecedented distortion of the news on behalf of their candidate, and also see their own reputation and future at stake because of Trump's attack on them.

    The media and its minions have never been as dishonest as in this election -- it's not even close -- they've lapped themslves.

    The ABC seems to be running full-time anti-Trump propaganda based on the show I saw the other day, so I would not be surprised if they have a biased poll out as well.

    I wonder if their viewership is going down?

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  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash
    @eah

    The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis in the “degradation ceremony,” in which the perpetrator (Trump) is held by denouncers (officeholders and others in positions of influence) to be morally unacceptable, and witnesses (the public) agree that the perpetrator is no longer held in good standing.

    Psychologist Wynn Schwartz, who teaches at Harvard Medical School, explained to me that what’s needed to have a successful degradation of Trump is an epic defeat. “If it is lopsided enough,” he said, “you don’t have critical masses of people who feel disenfranchised” or “who feel justified in saying that it was stolen.


    It's amazing how wrong the train of thought is here. We've already had the officeholders and influencers declare Trump to be morally unacceptable, and yet we still hold him in good standing. Will piling on a presumed Trump loss sway our opinion? No, it would just elevate him more in our eyes. We already (rightly) feel that we've been disfranchised.

    “The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis…”

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called ‘left’ and ‘progressives’ who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called ‘progressives’ in institutions and NGO’s are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too ‘rightist’ but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump’s leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as ‘populism’, and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump’s.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has “un-moralized” American politics. All the ‘family values’ and ‘good manners’ aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump’s shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of ‘presidential’ is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama’s daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams’ daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it’s all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It’s whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

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    Love your post! I have felt such condescension toward so many liberals for such a long time . They are frauds and phonies (a la' Holden Caulfield) , very trashy and low-brow...and, they just don't like Trump because he is their mirror image. One way or the other, I'll get my chance to gloat!

    Also, there is no way in hell that liberals will ever actually, live in a minority-heavy neighborhood/send their kids to school in the "inner city"/spend their money on charities in our country, for our poor people, as opposed to all kinds of overseas "poverty porn" cases. I mean, why do college kids go all the way to the 3rd world when they could do work for our poor in cities, rural areas & Indian Reservations?

    Anyway, the Wikileaks exposure is so damaging, and, in the past, we used to celebrate whistle blowers, and now, this woman's actions are being excused by liberals. It makes me sick. BTW, Russia has way more nukes than us, and they just realized (Hillary's big mouth) that they must move faster so the USA can't counterattack. Not to mention, now that ISIS is being attacked in Mosul, the ISIS operatives here are gonna let it rip. Vengeance is such a cultural component of Islam.

    , @utu
    Great comment! I agree with your insights. I would add only that "they" hate Trump also because he made them expose American democracy as a Potemkin village: all is a facade and everybody is lying and pretending that there is more to it than just a facade.
    , @dfordoom

    It is Trump’s leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids.
     
    Bingo. Trump is the leftist candidate in this election and that's one of the things that we are definitely not supposed to notice.

    The big fear of the globalists is the possibility of the rise of leftist populism. That would be a nightmare scenario for them.
    , @dfordoom

    Trump’s shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else.
     
    Unfortunately all too true. The US is culturally and morally an open sewer. Gentlemanly politics won't work in such a country.
    , @bored identity
    Enjoyed your cause & symptoms touch, Anon:


    "... and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics.
    That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump’s."


     

    With just weeks before the election, Jann Wenner duly sanctions for a 400 pounds of the world's finest Flintonian sac de merde to be unloaded all over the latest issue of Rolling Erdely magazine. (Protip : heavy-duty hazmat gloves are must-have accessory for browsing through the Moore's hiterview )

    Intentionally or not, the Lacoste uberhuman-billboard sluggishly invoked Soviet style concept of Psikhushka, as he was casually presenting the blueprint of compassionate final solution reserved probably not only for Der Trümpher, but the all other ‘millions and millions’ of deplorables also suffering from Trumpism Condition* :


    Moore on Trump:

    "...But he's not well.
    I would not want to pick on him anymore.
    We need to stop him. You can't have a sociopath in the White House and some will disagree with me and say, "No, Mike, you're wrong. He is a psychopath."

    I'm not educated enough to know the difference.

    But he's not a well person and he needs help.
    And once you realize that he has a mental illness, at that point, if you're a human being with a soul and a conscience, you want him to get help.

    At the same time, you have to protect the population from him like you do with a pedophile. A pedophile doesn't need to be in prison; they're sick.
    They have to be separated from us so they don't hurt children.

    But you have to treat it that way....".


     

    *In the Soviet Union, psychiatric hospitals were often used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally; as such they were considered a form of torture.
    The official explanation was that no sane person would be against socialism.
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  126. @415 reasons
    A supposedly level-headed MSM take on what the Trump phenomenon means:

    As for condemning a Trump voter morally for endorsing a candidate who has called for immoral policies toward Latinos and Muslims, this, too, assumes that Trump voters necessarily share his views.
     
    Actually, what it assumes is that Trump voters acquiesce to the unstated premise of the elite and the media that rationally weighing the cost and benefits of immigrants to the United States is immoral. That admitting more of people from countries who are on average a benefit and less of those from countries who are on average a detriment is immoral. That taking into account the effect of immigration policy on the outcomes of the lives of people who are already citizens here is immoral. That what would have been known as common sense and the position of both mainstream political parties 20 years ago is immoral. We are so screwed with these people running our society.

    Why is it that liberal journalists insist that all of Trump’s supporters are the great unwashed? This idea alone, is condescending and still repudiating people who voted for him. So many Trump voters are people who are taking into account the mess in the Middle East, the corrupt CF, and the grifter couple they don’t wanna see back in the WH – meaning, university educated people are supporting him as well. And, college students.

    I believe very strongly, “it ain’t over ‘till the fat lady sings!” – couldn’t resist to fate-shame! Trump just needs to press very hard in FLA, OH, PA (do a rally in Shanksville) NC (they are getting the most amount of Unaccompanied Minors which is wrecking their Ed funding) WI & MN (Why not? – you know there will be more Somalis killing people at malls once winter comes), NH & ME, maybe even RI & CT, NV, AZ & CO, of course. Just keep flying – bring Sheriff Clarke on board, bring Milo, Ann, Laura, too. Remind everyone how Bernie was kicked to the curb by the DNC – notice Elizabeth Warren is off the radar completely.

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  127. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Just think..

    There are two nations.

    In nation A, there are 100 family members/relatives.

    In nation B, there are 2.

    So, if it is important to grow up and live with one’s family members, doesn’t it make sense for the 2 in Nation B to move back to Nation A and be with the 100 family members/relatives. Now, that is wonderful family unification.

    But according to logic of Western Open Borders, it makes more sense to bring the 100 in Nation A over to be with the 2 in Nation B.

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    Yes, indeed. You describe the situation perfectly. Therefore, taking all of this into account the best advice for compassionate Canadians who want to help the refugees is for them to provide education for them in Arabic and help them buy the kinds of food they are used to eating among their friends and family right there in the Middle East. That is by far the best way to assist them. Taking them away from their families and putting them into a situation in which everything they see and hear is foreign is devastating to them and does nothing to help their friends and families who are left behind.
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  128. @Altai
    Canada, Sweden, Ireland and Norway are fascinating in that though they historically had little immigration, the rapid up-tick and speed seem to be causing more dislocation and estrangement in cities than the others that had a longer history. Needless to say a naive attitude or even a sense that it is their turn is pervasive. It's really shocking how fast they're catching up. Needless to say though Ireland and Norway are victims of governmental inaction, Sweden and Canada have been taken over by politicians who relish increasing the numbers and who obsess over it. To have huge desired targets for artificial immigration despite housing shortages and economic disaster for younger generations is staggering.

    Part of what makes it interesting is that the rapid importation of large numbers is dislocating on a day to day basis but politically has little impact as immigrants usually have no time for local politics and don't usually furnish many candidates. It's a lag before the natives have to face the immigrants identity politics taking true form.

    Reminds me of a line spoken by a high level conspiracy dude on Xfiles:

    This isn’t colonization, this is spontaneous repopulation!”

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  129. People here – Americans – have families, and it’s entirely from the betrayal by our $ellout Ruling Class that American families don’t have borders.

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  130. @Talha
    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.
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    Hey JSM,

    Thanks! Fascinating read - very nuanced position.

    Peace.
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  131. @Anon
    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

    Love your post! I have felt such condescension toward so many liberals for such a long time . They are frauds and phonies (a la’ Holden Caulfield) , very trashy and low-brow…and, they just don’t like Trump because he is their mirror image. One way or the other, I’ll get my chance to gloat!

    Also, there is no way in hell that liberals will ever actually, live in a minority-heavy neighborhood/send their kids to school in the “inner city”/spend their money on charities in our country, for our poor people, as opposed to all kinds of overseas “poverty porn” cases. I mean, why do college kids go all the way to the 3rd world when they could do work for our poor in cities, rural areas & Indian Reservations?

    Anyway, the Wikileaks exposure is so damaging, and, in the past, we used to celebrate whistle blowers, and now, this woman’s actions are being excused by liberals. It makes me sick. BTW, Russia has way more nukes than us, and they just realized (Hillary’s big mouth) that they must move faster so the USA can’t counterattack. Not to mention, now that ISIS is being attacked in Mosul, the ISIS operatives here are gonna let it rip. Vengeance is such a cultural component of Islam.

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  132. Hey Mr.Sailer,

    I thought this Podesta Email with an analysis of ‘Putinism” would be of some interest to you:

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1138

    “Barack Obama is a personification of globalization of the world – and the globalization of America itself. He’s also represents the generation between Larry’s, Derek’s and mine and yours, the students here. He was born the year before the Cuban missile crisis. He is well schooled in the overarching issues. He studied international politics with Larry Caldwell and political philosophy with Roger Boesche, and he wrote his senior thesis at Columbia on nuclear deterrence and arms control. He was 30 years old when the U.S.S.R. collapsed. So he’s known first-hand the cold war world and the post-cold war world. With nearly three years to go in his presidency, Obama is positioned to lay out – for his own citizens and our allies and friends abroad — the contours of the post-post-cold war world -a world that we will, for some time, have to share with a post-glasnost, post-perestroika, and post-partnership Russia.”

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  133. @MJMD
    Canada actually has a few other advantages as well, in spite of itself.

    1) Canada's immigrant population actually is "diverse." Yes, a lot of them have recreated social structures from the old country to get around burdensome regulations (like, for example, Mennonites and Hutterites...more power to them, I say). A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    *(English Canada, anyway - Quebec's demographics look a lot more like France's, saved for now only by big 20th Century infusions of Mizrahi Jews and middle class Haitians but looking pretty dire for the future if tommorrow's immigration is also Francophonie based).

    2) prole-class Arab Muslims like the ones that Canada has mostly taken in actually aren't nearly as big a problem when it comes to Islamic terrorism as the would-be professionals now infesting Europe, all of whom seem to proclaim that they want to be doctors or to finish their university degrees on the government's dime and none of whom have realistic expectations of how transferable their "skills" will actually be. Terrorism is a phenomenon of the educated and relatively comfortable, and the "high human value" Muslims settling illegally in Europe will turn to it in large numbers when frustrated. Canada will have to worry about the second generation, of course, but I actually think that kids who are likely to be working class themselves (in a country with lots of working class employment on offer) and who see their parents struggling daily with English and basic failures of assimilation are more likely to attribute their challenges in life to that rather than some phantom racism or "the infidel."

    A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    It isn’t manly to put your destiny in the hands of other tribes.

    Have these groups told Canada to “hit the brakes”?

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    I would guess that Sikhs aren't thrilled about the prospect of having millions of Muslims around, given what happened to Sikhs over 400 years of Muslim rule.
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  134. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win — you cannot reason with these people — so forget this incomprehensible ‘Citizenism’ stuff and come out as a White Nationalist — at least then you’ll be called a ‘racist’ for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    Is White majoritarianism the same as White nationalism?

    White majoritarianism in Europe and the Anglosphete is consistent with citizenism, by the way.

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    White majoritarianism in Europe and the Anglosphete is consistent with citizenism, by the way.

    But not the other way around -- ie 'Citizenism' (as I understand it, anyway) does not guarantee what you call "White majoritarianism" -- which was more or less my point -- oder?

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  135. @Anon
    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

    Great comment! I agree with your insights. I would add only that “they” hate Trump also because he made them expose American democracy as a Potemkin village: all is a facade and everybody is lying and pretending that there is more to it than just a facade.

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  136. @candid_observer
    Look, there are three tracking polls that show Trump either tied or up a point or two at this time: IBD, Rasmussen, and LA Times.

    The ABC poll shows him down by 12 pts. Either the three polls are all totally corrupted by systematic bias, or the ABC poll is (or possibly all 4 of them are so corrupted).

    Seeing discrepancies this extreme, and especially at this stage of the election, where if anything one would expect more convergence, I have to believe that there's serious manipulation involved. And I frankly believe that the pollsters for the media no longer have any compunction about engaging in clear manipulation. The media paying for these polls have already committed themselves to unprecedented distortion of the news on behalf of their candidate, and also see their own reputation and future at stake because of Trump's attack on them.

    The media and its minions have never been as dishonest as in this election -- it's not even close -- they've lapped themslves.

    One other point about these polls.

    Any number of the polls showing Trump down also show him going way, way down after some event — such as the last debate — which simply doesn’t seem in any way reflected in the tracking polls such as the LA Times.

    The LA Times poll, for example, shows some pretty impressive stability in the numbers across all of these supposedly important events, including (so far) the last debate.

    It’s even harder to square the wild swings in these other polls (I gather that in the ABC poll Trump went from 4 down to 12 down) with the stability of the tracking polls.

    Now the tracking polls are in fact conducted over a longer period of time — the LA Times poll is over 7 days, so some smoothing is inherently taking place as against polls taken over just a few days. But looking at the curves of, say, the LA Times poll, which are stable within a couple of points over a couple weeks, it’s impossible to make out how these wild swings could actually exist underneath the smoothing. The point is, even if the model of the LA Times poll gives Trump a higher number than he has in reality, actual major swings in his underlying support should be reflected in their numbers — especially since the overall sample is nearly 3,000.

    It’s hard to see why the LA Times pollsters would tinker with their model to maintain a false stability. Far more likely, they just made a decision at the beginning as to how their model would work, and have stuck with it.

    So when I see polls that swing wildly with events, and in the exact way their media overlords might like to see, I am very skeptical.

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  137. @Henry's Cat
    The white woman's burden.

    “The white woman’s burden.”

    You omitted an article.

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    This slanders your forebearers. Raising children is no insignificant contribution.
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  138. @Anon
    If you watch any CBC at all, you'll see at least one Muslim chick in a hijab shoe-horned into every minute of every show.

    It’s been going on for awhile now.

    This show ran for several seasons, and our gentle Canadian Pravda crowed about how funny and popular it was for years.

    Does anyone think this show was popular, funny, viable, etc.? Does anything think this is anything less than propaganda and normalization?

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    We all thought it was really gay.
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  139. @Clyde
    Note how the two authors are female (reporterettes) and same for the main subject who cannot type on her so called smartFone due to illiteracy (not my problem btw).
    However I see two pluses here:
    1- this drama is playing out in Canada not America
    2-the extended family has not yet been able to swarm into Canada

    “Reporterettes”? Love it!

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    Rush Limbaugh has been using "reporterettes" for at least ten years. Sadly, I cannot take credit.

    ******Never attribute to virtue what you can attribute to virtue signaling. (my revision)
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  140. @Taco
    No shit. Jack D. seems to be saying that since there isn't a valid chain of possession, the Israeli government is free to give the land to a settler and thereby create a title history. Any Palestinians who previously owned the land are just spoil sports for not accepting that their loss of land and livelihood is their own fault for living in a conquered land.

    That picture may be staged propaganda or not. The person pictured may be a terrorist or not. I don't and can't know the answers to these questions. I do know that to justify taking land from Palestinians because the Palestinians didn't have clear title is equal parts disingenuous and idiotic.

    To Hell with the Palestinians. They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, despite having the only UN refugee admin on their side for almost 70 years. Their own Arab brethren don’t want them.

    UNRWA – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA

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  141. @Jason Liu
    If by naive Canadians you mean "Justin the Stupid Little White Boy", sure.

    Most other Canadians who support this are just virtue signaling by following his lead.

    Otherwise known as Justin Bieber. Plus the Premier of Ontario is a rug muncher.

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  142. @annon
    Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary's lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn't matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let's say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I've never seen any weighting factors given.

    Look, the deeper problem is that it is absolutely true that if you have a number of polls that show Trump either even with Hillary, or a point or two up, and you have a poll that shows her 12 points up, there must be a very serious case of systematic bias involved — either in the polls showing Trump essentially tied, or in the poll showing him down by 12 points, or both. There simply is no other explanation.

    Whether that systematic bias is reflected in oversampling and not correctly weighting the raw numbers, or in some other way, mostly doesn’t matter: we can know apriori that it must exist, because it’s essentially impossible that the discrepancy is due to errors created by random sampling.

    I don’t generally worry about the sampling biases one might be able to see — I worry about those that we are never allowed to see. There are obviously many things that can be done in the protocols in drawing “raw data” that can greatly skew the result, and there are many things that can be done with that “raw data” after the fact to achieve a desired result. (In the NY Times recently four different polling/statistical teams were, for an experiment, given the same “raw data” and got four different final numbers, ranging over, I believe, 5 points — and this was of course in a situation in which their results were going to be watched like a hawk by outside parties, discouraging any obvious cheating.)

    All we really have to rely on with these pollsters is their own sense of honesty.

    I will be forgiven, I think, if I don’t have terribly high confidence in that honesty in this election cycle.

    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren’t hacks, they’re heroes!

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    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren’t hacks, they’re heroes!
     

    Well, the "elite" at the NYT recently announced in an editorial that they were constitutionally incapable of covering Donald Trump as professional objective journalists.

    Is there some Master Rule in the Jewish religion stating that if you announce your dishonest intentions while initiating them, then you still get into heaven? Sort of like Catholic confession, except you must announce that you're doing it AS you're doing it, to EVERYone?

    When Stephen J Gould was caught, after his death, of outright lying and manufacturing data to refute another scientist, Gould's friend's defended him by declaring he was "lying on the side of the angels." Is willfully trashing a man's legacy as a scientist because you don't like his facts a Jewish thing? I know other factions do this, but they haven't bragged or defended the very practice as the Jews have, by my anecdotal eye. The NYT was positively cocky about it.

    , @Polymath
    Election pollster here. Yes, the bimodal distribution indicates a systematic bias, from which one can draw the conclusion that there are three honest unbribable national pollsters who are calling it close, or that those three have a pro-Trump systematic bias. It's easier to imagine sources of pro-Hillary bias, but a possible pro-Trump systematic bias would arise from not sufficiently accounting for Hillary's GOTV advantage--the RNC screwed this up badly in 2012 and they are much less inclined to help Trump than Romney, while the Democrats can be expected to turn out their voters with greater than 100% efficiency.
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  143. @annon
    Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary's lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn't matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let's say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I've never seen any weighting factors given.

    This is from a comment at Heartiste:

    “Most polls construct their samples based on a subset representative of the population you want information on. We have had two presidential cycles where there has been historic African American participation in the presidential election. Since a pollster would like to sample the voter population that will show up on Nov 8th. The percentages of voters who showed up in 2008 and 2012 would normally be a good guide.

    BUT, we are also coming off of historic off year elections in 2010 and 2014 where this African American voting block DID NOT show up to the polls. The effects of these elections are so disparate that pollsters SHOULD find some sample methodology that would be the average of 2008,2010,2012 and 2014.

    Now the inside baseball, everyone in politics knows that Killary will NOT get Obama 2008 and 2012 numbers. But they don’t know how close the numbers will be to 2010 and 2014. So they hedge their bets and take a point in the middle.

    With me so far? Ok so if you are corrupt and you KNOW that nobody has the answer for the sample percentages what do you do? That’s right you stack the deck with people who will say that 2016 will be like 2012 and 2008!!! You stack the deck so well and convince the sample constructors so much that everyone herds along and puts their sample construction at 2008/2012 numbers.This thumb pressing on the scales is deliberate manipulation at one point in the polling execution that is high impact low deception detection. AND it’s defense-able!! Nobody knows “for sure” that Killary won’t get Obama numbers. So it’s easy to convince the weak minded that she will.

    But the killer in all this is the AMOUNT of thumb pressing the sample creators had to do to get Hillary up in their polls!!! Right now the pollsters are assuming a voter population EXACTLY like 2008! They are assuming the first AA president enthusiasm! And they will be wrong. But what may happen is an opposite effect of the enthusiasm going into the R column instead of the D column. This could not only swing the 5 point thumb pressing margin. But add another 5 points in the opposite direction! Which of course would yield a Dilbert Landslide outcome.

    THIS is why Killary was shrieking about why she is not ahead by 50 points. She was projecting a very real fear. If 2016 is NOT going have turnouts like 2008 she will need that wide margin in the polls to win. Since she is not ahead by wide margins there IS A REAL possibility that turnout not in keeping with 2008/2012 will lead to defeat.

    I have always felt in my “gut” that Scott Adams was right about the landslide. But I always chuckled that such a margin was not possible. And in reality IT SHOULD NOT BE. But if the polls are fudged by the margins I think they are. AND Trump gets the enthusiasm like Obama 2008 in his column. It just might be a landslide of epic proportions, like Regan in 1980. No one saw 1980 coming either.”

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  144. @annon
    Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary's lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn't matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let's say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I've never seen any weighting factors given.

    Correct me if I’m wrong here, but it seems that this model would not hold up well under big realignment elections. I”m assuming that a lot of registered Dems crossed over for Nixon in 72.

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  145. In other immigration news, the Swedes seem to be terrified of their new African immigrant overlords, and don’t know how to cope. seems a lot of these stories never reach international news:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=http://www.friatider.se/asyls-kare-deltog-vid-gruppv-ldt-kt-f-r-140000-i-skadest-nd

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    Swedes are idiots. They have chosen this suffering. Why they let in all these Muslims for decades?...well, it's too late now. Sweden is the "new Somalia."
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  146. Given the passions involved in this election, it’s probably unwise to tell anonymous strangers you’re voting Trump. Because of the internet there are 101 ways a malevolent person who knows your identity can inconvenience (junk mail, calls) or harm (fraud, theft) you. Poll takers have no way of forcing people to be honest with them.

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  147. Obama is moving to Kalorama after the election. Why? He says it’s because he doesn’t want to interrupt Sasha’s mis-education. I don’t believe it. He will be a pain in the arse to whoever is president.

    Just curious…wonder what the Never Trump Jews think is gonna happen after Hillary kicks the bucket, which she will, sooner or later (cough cough). At that point the Bernie wing, liberated, will burst out in a rage. We don’t pay that much attention to them in sites like these, but they’re still around and boy are they angry. Furious, in fact. All that idealism down the drain…

    Will a left-wing Donald Trump tell the Jews and Haim Saban to go eff off? Will the Democratic party go full Corbyn? Then what?

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  148. @candid_observer
    Look, the deeper problem is that it is absolutely true that if you have a number of polls that show Trump either even with Hillary, or a point or two up, and you have a poll that shows her 12 points up, there must be a very serious case of systematic bias involved -- either in the polls showing Trump essentially tied, or in the poll showing him down by 12 points, or both. There simply is no other explanation.

    Whether that systematic bias is reflected in oversampling and not correctly weighting the raw numbers, or in some other way, mostly doesn't matter: we can know apriori that it must exist, because it's essentially impossible that the discrepancy is due to errors created by random sampling.

    I don't generally worry about the sampling biases one might be able to see -- I worry about those that we are never allowed to see. There are obviously many things that can be done in the protocols in drawing "raw data" that can greatly skew the result, and there are many things that can be done with that "raw data" after the fact to achieve a desired result. (In the NY Times recently four different polling/statistical teams were, for an experiment, given the same "raw data" and got four different final numbers, ranging over, I believe, 5 points -- and this was of course in a situation in which their results were going to be watched like a hawk by outside parties, discouraging any obvious cheating.)

    All we really have to rely on with these pollsters is their own sense of honesty.

    I will be forgiven, I think, if I don't have terribly high confidence in that honesty in this election cycle.

    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren't hacks, they're heroes!

    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren’t hacks, they’re heroes!

    Well, the “elite” at the NYT recently announced in an editorial that they were constitutionally incapable of covering Donald Trump as professional objective journalists.

    Is there some Master Rule in the Jewish religion stating that if you announce your dishonest intentions while initiating them, then you still get into heaven? Sort of like Catholic confession, except you must announce that you’re doing it AS you’re doing it, to EVERYone?

    When Stephen J Gould was caught, after his death, of outright lying and manufacturing data to refute another scientist, Gould’s friend’s defended him by declaring he was “lying on the side of the angels.” Is willfully trashing a man’s legacy as a scientist because you don’t like his facts a Jewish thing? I know other factions do this, but they haven’t bragged or defended the very practice as the Jews have, by my anecdotal eye. The NYT was positively cocky about it.

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  149. @Kylie
    "Reporterettes"? Love it!

    Rush Limbaugh has been using “reporterettes” for at least ten years. Sadly, I cannot take credit.

    ******Never attribute to virtue what you can attribute to virtue signaling. (my revision)

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  150. @candid_observer
    Look, the deeper problem is that it is absolutely true that if you have a number of polls that show Trump either even with Hillary, or a point or two up, and you have a poll that shows her 12 points up, there must be a very serious case of systematic bias involved -- either in the polls showing Trump essentially tied, or in the poll showing him down by 12 points, or both. There simply is no other explanation.

    Whether that systematic bias is reflected in oversampling and not correctly weighting the raw numbers, or in some other way, mostly doesn't matter: we can know apriori that it must exist, because it's essentially impossible that the discrepancy is due to errors created by random sampling.

    I don't generally worry about the sampling biases one might be able to see -- I worry about those that we are never allowed to see. There are obviously many things that can be done in the protocols in drawing "raw data" that can greatly skew the result, and there are many things that can be done with that "raw data" after the fact to achieve a desired result. (In the NY Times recently four different polling/statistical teams were, for an experiment, given the same "raw data" and got four different final numbers, ranging over, I believe, 5 points -- and this was of course in a situation in which their results were going to be watched like a hawk by outside parties, discouraging any obvious cheating.)

    All we really have to rely on with these pollsters is their own sense of honesty.

    I will be forgiven, I think, if I don't have terribly high confidence in that honesty in this election cycle.

    Everybody in our so-called elite seems to have convinced themselves that this is their chance to go back in time and kill the baby Hitler while still in the crib.

    They aren't hacks, they're heroes!

    Election pollster here. Yes, the bimodal distribution indicates a systematic bias, from which one can draw the conclusion that there are three honest unbribable national pollsters who are calling it close, or that those three have a pro-Trump systematic bias. It’s easier to imagine sources of pro-Hillary bias, but a possible pro-Trump systematic bias would arise from not sufficiently accounting for Hillary’s GOTV advantage–the RNC screwed this up badly in 2012 and they are much less inclined to help Trump than Romney, while the Democrats can be expected to turn out their voters with greater than 100% efficiency.

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    Good point. The GOP may very well end up costing him actual votes.
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  151. @Altai
    Canada, Sweden, Ireland and Norway are fascinating in that though they historically had little immigration, the rapid up-tick and speed seem to be causing more dislocation and estrangement in cities than the others that had a longer history. Needless to say a naive attitude or even a sense that it is their turn is pervasive. It's really shocking how fast they're catching up. Needless to say though Ireland and Norway are victims of governmental inaction, Sweden and Canada have been taken over by politicians who relish increasing the numbers and who obsess over it. To have huge desired targets for artificial immigration despite housing shortages and economic disaster for younger generations is staggering.

    Part of what makes it interesting is that the rapid importation of large numbers is dislocating on a day to day basis but politically has little impact as immigrants usually have no time for local politics and don't usually furnish many candidates. It's a lag before the natives have to face the immigrants identity politics taking true form.

    Canada is a country of immigration. Since the 1640s.

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    Not really. It was populated by settlers.

    And later as part of the British Empire there was movement of people mainly from Britain - essentially moving from one part of Britain to another.

    Others came as well for various reasons, but always under the auspices of the British.

    The global mass immigration - of the kind discussed on iSteve only began to really ramp up in the 1970's.

    Canada was very homogenous prior to this (97%+ N.European white as late as the early 70's)
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  152. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    Some people actually wonder why (on average, wealthier) Asians support liberals.

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    Asians are worried that the gatekeepers at the elite U's won't let their kids in. That is it.
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  153. @Lugash
    @eah

    The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis in the “degradation ceremony,” in which the perpetrator (Trump) is held by denouncers (officeholders and others in positions of influence) to be morally unacceptable, and witnesses (the public) agree that the perpetrator is no longer held in good standing.

    Psychologist Wynn Schwartz, who teaches at Harvard Medical School, explained to me that what’s needed to have a successful degradation of Trump is an epic defeat. “If it is lopsided enough,” he said, “you don’t have critical masses of people who feel disenfranchised” or “who feel justified in saying that it was stolen.


    It's amazing how wrong the train of thought is here. We've already had the officeholders and influencers declare Trump to be morally unacceptable, and yet we still hold him in good standing. Will piling on a presumed Trump loss sway our opinion? No, it would just elevate him more in our eyes. We already (rightly) feel that we've been disfranchised.

    Yesterday members of the press got heckled as part of being the “lugenpresse” (lying press). There are a lot of people who aren’t going to just pack it up and go home after November 8 even if Trump loses like Barry Goldwater did in 1964 (no evidence that will happen, I’m just presenting it as a worst case scenario). Thanks to Trump, millions of people have made the connections about the collusion of business, liberal politics, high finance, and the media. They’ve lost their legitimacy and the media is apparently quite shaken up about it. Rush Limbaugh and talk radio was never quite able to articulate the collusion quite like Donald Trump has. Rush and Co. may have talked about it but with Trump, people are able to witness it up close and personal.

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  154. @Talha
    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.

    The coefficient of relatedness is the key difference between you and us. And it’s an elegant example of gene-religion coevolution.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/

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    Hey JH,

    This is a far better comment. The Malays and the Javans and Sumatrans (not to mention Bosnians and Albanians) have been Muslim for centuries, they have a negligible rate of first-cousin marriage. A universal religion accommodates multiple expressions of family relationships if it is to be considered 'fit' from an evolution perspective.

    Peace.
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  155. @Talha
    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.

    Large negative externalities is why you must prohibit cousin marriage. Increased rate of mental retardation and other serious genetic diseases is the result. Who pays for it? Education, healthcare costs and other social costs are born by others.

    Consider the tremendous costs of educating a trisomy 21 child alone. That is a lot of money and if cousin marriage were to become more common you are adding more costs to the system which is already on the verge of collapse.

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    Increased rate(s) of mental retardation
     
    The upside is more voters for the Democrat party!
    , @Talha
    Hey Yak015,

    Thanks. There are two things at play here: 1) the moral imperative and 2) the practical imperative. In neither can the case be made for an outright ban on cousin marriage. If a random White guy from Boston wanted to marry his cousin there would a negligible affect on his children especially if his progeny did not go on to then keep on marrying cousins - over and over again. And there is easily a healthy balance that can be struck:
    "What they found was that arranged marriage should theoretically reduce the genetic diversity – or the mix of genes an individual has – in these different regions of DNA but that an appropriate partner (female cousin) was only available less than half the time. Scientists could conclude that the Rindi marriage rules are relaxed enough that there is no effect on genetic diversity in practice. Associate Professor Murray Cox from Massey University says anthropologists have been studying the diverse range of marriage rules for the last century but this is the first study to try and understand any biological effects."
    https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/cousin-marriages-dont-lead-to-inbreeding


    But feel free to advocate a complete ban on cousin marriage for the reasons you have outlined - it's not going to make a difference to Muslims much in the states. I know hundreds of Muslim families in the US and can't think of a single cousin marriage that has occurred within the generation of Muslims born here (it is thought of as a little weird among them - go ahead and ask young Muslims what they think of it) - even if their parents were indeed cousins. I have heard it is different in the UK, but that's their problem, not mine.

    Peace.
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  156. @Polymath
    Election pollster here. Yes, the bimodal distribution indicates a systematic bias, from which one can draw the conclusion that there are three honest unbribable national pollsters who are calling it close, or that those three have a pro-Trump systematic bias. It's easier to imagine sources of pro-Hillary bias, but a possible pro-Trump systematic bias would arise from not sufficiently accounting for Hillary's GOTV advantage--the RNC screwed this up badly in 2012 and they are much less inclined to help Trump than Romney, while the Democrats can be expected to turn out their voters with greater than 100% efficiency.

    Good point. The GOP may very well end up costing him actual votes.

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  157. Ein Kantor, Ein Horn, Ein Refugee Family….

    ….and that’s the way the Maple crumbles!

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  158. And a lot more coming to Canada if the usual suspects have their way. A tripling of the country’s population to 100 million by 2100.

    https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/10/23/finance-ministers-key-advisers-want-100m-canadians-by-2100.html

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  159. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    I like how Marshall can’t quite bring himself to call Steve a racist for simply noticing things, so instead he asserts that Steve invented racism.

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    I suppose it's a kind of epistemological question if one can be the 'progenitor of alt-right racism' without being a racist -- that's too deep for me.
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  160. @annon
    Concerning the polls, will someone with knowledge in marketing and statistics please weigh in. Several commenters have pointed out the polls are oversampling democrats which is leading to Hillary's lead.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn't matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population. So let's say in the real world democrats are 32 percent, republicans are 28 percent and independents are 40%. If a poll ends up with republicans representing 14 %, independents 20 % and democrats 66 %, then the pollsters weight the samples to bring them in line with the national figures.

    So in this example, each GOP sample would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 28%, each independent would be multiplied by 2 to bring it up to 40%. and each democrat would be multiplied times 0.48 to bring them down to 32%. This commenter said that the composition of the sample is immaterial since they apply a weighting factor at the end.

    Question to the marketing and statistician folks: Is this how it is done? If so where in the poll do they disclose these weighting factors that they have used to normalize the sample? I have found in the notes to polls the composition of the sample, but I've never seen any weighting factors given.

    However, on another site a guy commented that oversampling doesn’t matter because pollsters weight the samples to normalize the respondents to the greater population.

    I wondered about this too. Surely this must be what they’re doing. The data on the undersampled population would be a bit noisier is all, right? I mean, ideally you’d want less noise. Ideally you’d want to poll every single person in the country, too…

    It’s like with global warming – I’ll give climatologists the benefit of the doubt and assume that it’s occurred to them to take “natural warming and cooling cycles” into account when studying climate change. (Just now got around to googling this: they do indeed take this into account. Or so they claim!)

    Anyway, I still vividly remember Nate Silver correctly predicting all 50 states the day before the 2012 election – and 49 in 2008. (Regarding 2008 he said something like, “Yeah, f*cking Indiana” in a live interview.) It convinced me that there may be something to this poll aggregation thing, at least for general elections- I couldn’t care less how wrong he was during the primaries.

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  161. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    Back in the election cycle of 2008 it was the stench of Josh Marshall’s hackery that had much to do with awakening me from my then liberal dogmatic slumbers.

    He did a great deal to make me realize that the things liberals claim to care deeply about, because of principle, were readily expendable when it was politically expedient — as so many things were for his hero, Obama.

    Nowadays it seems to be free speech and governmental transparency which are suddenly abominations for this shameless hypocrite. Funny how I might have thought that liberals not so many years ago believed they represented inviolable principles of good governance.

    Marshall seems to have made a point of dedicating his life to being a political hack. I don’t know how someone does that who would seem to have alternatives.

    His favorite move is of course calling an opponent a racist. Oh, he hates racists. All of his opponents are racists, but all of his new opponents are far worse racists than all other previous racists.

    I think that Steve’s progenitor status as a racist makes him the racistest of all.

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  162. @Questionator
    A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    It isn't manly to put your destiny in the hands of other tribes.

    Have these groups told Canada to "hit the brakes"?

    I would guess that Sikhs aren’t thrilled about the prospect of having millions of Muslims around, given what happened to Sikhs over 400 years of Muslim rule.

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  163. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ikram
    Canada is a country of immigration. Since the 1640s.

    Not really. It was populated by settlers.

    And later as part of the British Empire there was movement of people mainly from Britain – essentially moving from one part of Britain to another.

    Others came as well for various reasons, but always under the auspices of the British.

    The global mass immigration – of the kind discussed on iSteve only began to really ramp up in the 1970′s.

    Canada was very homogenous prior to this (97%+ N.European white as late as the early 70′s)

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  164. @Yak-15
    Large negative externalities is why you must prohibit cousin marriage. Increased rate of mental retardation and other serious genetic diseases is the result. Who pays for it? Education, healthcare costs and other social costs are born by others.

    Consider the tremendous costs of educating a trisomy 21 child alone. That is a lot of money and if cousin marriage were to become more common you are adding more costs to the system which is already on the verge of collapse.

    Increased rate(s) of mental retardation

    The upside is more voters for the Democrat party!

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  165. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Canada is a country of immigration. Since the 1640s.”

    But in that sense all countries are countries of immigrants, including whichever country the immigrant comes from… so that sense of “country of immigration” is meaningless.

    It’s also easy to forget how, before agriculture, most tribes moved around a good bit, in some places the moved huge distances, often following herds of game.

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  166. @biz
    I would guess that Sikhs aren't thrilled about the prospect of having millions of Muslims around, given what happened to Sikhs over 400 years of Muslim rule.

    Are they lobbying Canada to hit the brakes?

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    They're not there yet: the older generation of politicians frankly isn't adept enough at English to fend off the PC police. But I know what they think privately, and I don't regard their participation in politics as more threatening than the growth of Irish Catholic machines in 19th U.S. cities must have been. It's not "manly" to tilt at windmills opposing something that isn't going away anytime soon from some backward-looking white nationalist perspective, or to spurn potential alliances against the real threats to our civilization, or to trust in one's own "tribe" when it's so obviously been compromised and rotted out from the inside.

    There's cause to be concerned that the second generation will be indoctrinated in the universities as thoroughly as the white kids have. One particularly nauseating squawker during the media's ginned up "refugee crisis" over the Kurdi kid was the mayor of Calgary, Naheed Nenshi (a graduate of the Kennedy School of Government and, like Dominic Barton, a McKinsey alum). To see an Ismaili Muslim pissing his pants calling for the importation of more Sunni Arab peasants was, frankly, a sickening sight, and just shows the depth of brainwashing or counter-programming practiced at those institutions.

    But I'm actually relatively optimistic about Canada. Sikhs have disproportionate political representation in the country because they actually practice farming on a large scale in the lower mainland of British Columbia and so control many rural ridings (which in Anglosphere countries are overrepresented in general). No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that "living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar". Canadian "multiculturalism" doesn't actually work that way in practice, much to the chagrin of its most naive boosters: it's just a continuation of old school ethnic politics by other people. And yes, these new Canadians actually are religiously and morally conservative people who will vote down liberal shibboleths and vote for a conservative party untainted by white nationalism. The fantasy of the GOP elite isn't quite so fantastic north of the 49th parallel.
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  167. @Talha
    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation.

    Really? The utility of exposing the tribal nature of your preferences is quite instructive. You and your brother against your cousin, etc. And now you want to claim:

    It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one’s potential offspring.

    Right, because you might need those retards to be the instruments of conducting suicide missions to achieve your political objectives.

    If you are an atheist

    Damn you for making me defend atheists. But atheists are not stupid, and they don’t want a large influx of retards into the Western World.

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    Hey

    No, because in tribal societies, family is massively important - more important than the state. It is the bedrock of social organization - it takes care of you when you are sick, or can't work, resolves disputes, etc. Europeans haven't been tribal for a while so they don't see any benefits to that structure...as is their right...to each his own.

    instruments of conducting suicide missions

     

    LOL! Yeah, that's why people have been marrying cousins for generations.

    There is no doubt that endemic rates of first-cousin marriage have had bad effects on the populations that practice them. This is fact. The other fact is that this can be remedied through education and guiding people to include more diversity in their marriage patterns to get rid of the negative effects while still keepign the door open to the practice. The funny thing is, the Muslim world has actually forgotten a wisdom in the words of the second caliph Umar (ra) when he saw the deleterious effects of a tribe due to too much inbreeding and advised them:
    “You all have become thin and weak, so marry outside the family.”

    On a related note, the Hanbali school (though definitely small in number) actually considers it a religiously recommended action to marry outside of one's family specifically for the purpose of producing healthy, strong children. A figure of no less stature than Imam Ghazali (ra) specifically wrote that excessiveness in marrying close relatives should be avoided - which is also stated in the chapter on marriage in the manual I just pulled off my shelf from the Shafi'i school (that close relations should be avoided when picking a spouse).

    a large influx of retards into the Western World
     
    Who does? Then block them with legislation that we don't take retards - who would stonewall that?

    Peace.
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  168. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “According to the ABC polls, it seems over.”

    and

    “Don’t be so naive. They do it on purpose: Wikileaks on oversampling recommendations to maximize media polling”

    “New Podesta Email Exposes Dem Playbook For Rigging Polls Through “Oversamples””, Tyler Durden, Zerohedge, Oct 23, 2016:

    “…this latest poll included a 9-point sampling bias toward registered democrats.

    …for all of you out there who still aren’t convinced that the polls are “adjusted”, we present to you the following Podesta email, leaked earlier today, that conveniently spells out, in detail, exactly how to “manufacture” the desired data.

    I also want to get your Atlas folks to recommend oversamples for our polling before we start in February. By market, regions, etc. I want to get this all compiled into one set of recommendations so we can maximize what we get out of our media polling.

    …includes a handy, 37-page guide…

    …In Arizona, over sampling of Hispanics and Native Americans is highly recommended:


    - Over-sample Hispanics
    - Use Spanish language interviewing. (Monolingual Spanish-speaking voters are among the lowest turnout Democratic targets)
    - Over-sample the Native American population

    …For Florida…


    – Consistently monitor the sample to ensure it is not too old, and that it has enough African American and Hispanic voters to reflect the state.
    – On Independents: Tampa and Orlando are better persuasion targets than north or south Florida (check your polls before concluding this). If there are budget questions or oversamples, make sure that Tampa and Orlando are included first.

    …Meanwhile, it’s suggested that national polls over sample “key districts / regions” and “ethnic” groups “as needed.”


    – General election benchmark, 800 sample, with potential over samples in key districts/regions
    – Benchmark polling in targeted races, with ethnic over samples as needed
    – Targeting tracking polls in key races, with ethnic over samples as needed

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  169. @Arclight
    Nice highlight of the insanity of the west's moral vanity when it comes to refugees. I recently had a conversation with a friend from MN on this subject and he insisted that the US has a history of taking in refugees and it would be against our values to end that practice. The conversation then turned to the Somali population and within a few minutes he matter of factly stated that no one in the Twin Cities can stand them and how they add absolutely nothing to society. This inability to say "no" even when perfectly aware of the consequences seems to have taken hold.

    Leftism makes otherwise intelligent people stupid, as your experience shows.

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  170. @Random Dude on the Internet
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany

    Not only are European Jews moving to Israel at record rates, Germans are leaving Germany at high rates as well. Importing "Syrians" by the thousands will inevitably cause Canadians to flee Canada. As Europeans and Canadians look for other countries to resettle, I hope they consider places other than the United States. I fully expect Europeans to want to recreate Europe here as opposed to assimilate to American values. It will be grating to be lectured by a French immigrant on why building the wall is racist even though his home country got overrun by North Africans yet they will do it without a trace of irony. So I hope for everyone's sake that they go elsewhere like Australia or New Zealand if they're looking to leave their home country.

    But where can they go? We need a homeland for everyone displaced by immigration, and free of the ‘invite them all’ crowd.

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  171. @Questionator
    Are they lobbying Canada to hit the brakes?

    They’re not there yet: the older generation of politicians frankly isn’t adept enough at English to fend off the PC police. But I know what they think privately, and I don’t regard their participation in politics as more threatening than the growth of Irish Catholic machines in 19th U.S. cities must have been. It’s not “manly” to tilt at windmills opposing something that isn’t going away anytime soon from some backward-looking white nationalist perspective, or to spurn potential alliances against the real threats to our civilization, or to trust in one’s own “tribe” when it’s so obviously been compromised and rotted out from the inside.

    There’s cause to be concerned that the second generation will be indoctrinated in the universities as thoroughly as the white kids have. One particularly nauseating squawker during the media’s ginned up “refugee crisis” over the Kurdi kid was the mayor of Calgary, Naheed Nenshi (a graduate of the Kennedy School of Government and, like Dominic Barton, a McKinsey alum). To see an Ismaili Muslim pissing his pants calling for the importation of more Sunni Arab peasants was, frankly, a sickening sight, and just shows the depth of brainwashing or counter-programming practiced at those institutions.

    But I’m actually relatively optimistic about Canada. Sikhs have disproportionate political representation in the country because they actually practice farming on a large scale in the lower mainland of British Columbia and so control many rural ridings (which in Anglosphere countries are overrepresented in general). No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that “living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar”. Canadian “multiculturalism” doesn’t actually work that way in practice, much to the chagrin of its most naive boosters: it’s just a continuation of old school ethnic politics by other people. And yes, these new Canadians actually are religiously and morally conservative people who will vote down liberal shibboleths and vote for a conservative party untainted by white nationalism. The fantasy of the GOP elite isn’t quite so fantastic north of the 49th parallel.

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    No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that “living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar”
     
    Sweden's climate hasn't stopped it from being overrun by Muslims. Give them enough welfare incentives and they'll move to the South Pole. A centrally heated apartment in Stockholm is warmer than a corrugated tin shack in Afghanistan.
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  172. @Orangey
    In other immigration news, the Swedes seem to be terrified of their new African immigrant overlords, and don't know how to cope. seems a lot of these stories never reach international news:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=http://www.friatider.se/asyls-kare-deltog-vid-gruppv-ldt-kt-f-r-140000-i-skadest-nd

    Swedes are idiots. They have chosen this suffering. Why they let in all these Muslims for decades?…well, it’s too late now. Sweden is the “new Somalia.”

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    But we're soooo much better than the old Somalia. I think the rot really got going when we 'temporarily' let in a large number of Bosnian Muslim refugees in the 1990s.

    However, Sweden added a considerable, though far lesser, number of non-Swedes during the last part of the 20th century. (I will skip the comparatively few but of course culturally important Jews. Their most influential families entered Sweden in the 19th century and early 20th.) In the 1960s, there were guest workers from Yugoslavia and elsewhere, who also provided the international gang criminality we had not previously seen. These days, Yugoslavs seem like fairly reasonable people by comparison to others. We also let in fleeing Chilean communists, who have taken the opportunity to join and rise in our local communist party. Ex-communist, they want me to note. Perhaps the largest immigrant group is that of Finns, who also came here as guest workers at first. Later on, the joke has been that Finnish welfare spending consists of a one-way ticket on the ferry to Stockholm. Who knows if Finland now enjoys the fruits of exporting their underclass and undesirables to Sweden? It has long been clear that Finns in Sweden underperform and have many social problems, perhaps a bit like Mexicans in the US. But worrying about that seems so very remote now when we instead have fresh new alien groups who take hostility to a whole new level and feel so very entitled about it.

    These days, it seems most of those coming in are mixed Arabs and Somalis, of course, because of our deep historical, colonial connections to the Middle East and Somalia.
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  173. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Some people actually wonder why (on average, wealthier) Asians support liberals.

    Asians are worried that the gatekeepers at the elite U’s won’t let their kids in. That is it.

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  174. @MJMD
    They're not there yet: the older generation of politicians frankly isn't adept enough at English to fend off the PC police. But I know what they think privately, and I don't regard their participation in politics as more threatening than the growth of Irish Catholic machines in 19th U.S. cities must have been. It's not "manly" to tilt at windmills opposing something that isn't going away anytime soon from some backward-looking white nationalist perspective, or to spurn potential alliances against the real threats to our civilization, or to trust in one's own "tribe" when it's so obviously been compromised and rotted out from the inside.

    There's cause to be concerned that the second generation will be indoctrinated in the universities as thoroughly as the white kids have. One particularly nauseating squawker during the media's ginned up "refugee crisis" over the Kurdi kid was the mayor of Calgary, Naheed Nenshi (a graduate of the Kennedy School of Government and, like Dominic Barton, a McKinsey alum). To see an Ismaili Muslim pissing his pants calling for the importation of more Sunni Arab peasants was, frankly, a sickening sight, and just shows the depth of brainwashing or counter-programming practiced at those institutions.

    But I'm actually relatively optimistic about Canada. Sikhs have disproportionate political representation in the country because they actually practice farming on a large scale in the lower mainland of British Columbia and so control many rural ridings (which in Anglosphere countries are overrepresented in general). No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that "living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar". Canadian "multiculturalism" doesn't actually work that way in practice, much to the chagrin of its most naive boosters: it's just a continuation of old school ethnic politics by other people. And yes, these new Canadians actually are religiously and morally conservative people who will vote down liberal shibboleths and vote for a conservative party untainted by white nationalism. The fantasy of the GOP elite isn't quite so fantastic north of the 49th parallel.

    No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that “living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar”

    Sweden’s climate hasn’t stopped it from being overrun by Muslims. Give them enough welfare incentives and they’ll move to the South Pole. A centrally heated apartment in Stockholm is warmer than a corrugated tin shack in Afghanistan.

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    Svalbard does not have to take refugees, ever. It is the only place in the world left. They hold the "seed vault," so, no messin' with survival of the planet Earth, at any cost. Why is the Obama administration (and Bush) not being castigated as the villains, by causing this enormous Migrant crisis in the first place? From now on, all refugees + all wives of these men & multiple children, must be relocated to Northern Virginia, the Hamptons, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills & Orange County, Greenwich, Westport, New Canaan, Darien, Boston Suburbs, Palo Alto, Marin, San Francisco, etc. Their public schools rock, so, that is the equitable place for these children of refugees to soar and wind up at Harvard & Stanford. They can not be sent to the land of The Deplorables.
    , @biz
    Sweden has a maritime climate in much of the populated South. It doesn't get much below freezing. It is nothing like the harsh winters of central Canada, where high temperatures of -40 are possible.

    One need only to compare the proportion of Muslims in the more temperate parts of Canada such as Southern Ontario and the Montreal area (enormous) to those in the Prairie parts (tiny) to see that they don't, in general, have much intention to move to the latter.
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  175. @Flip
    I just flipped through the Sunday Times and every article is viciously anti-Trump, fawning over Clinton, or pushing the gay agenda. I've decided to cancel it after subscribing since 1990. I'll miss parts of it, but I can't in good conscience give these people my money any more.

    But think about all the fodder the NYT provides to Steve for his great work here on the Unz Review! Without the MSM to disparage, our lives would be much less meaningful.

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  176. @Anon
    Just think..

    There are two nations.

    In nation A, there are 100 family members/relatives.

    In nation B, there are 2.

    So, if it is important to grow up and live with one's family members, doesn't it make sense for the 2 in Nation B to move back to Nation A and be with the 100 family members/relatives. Now, that is wonderful family unification.

    But according to logic of Western Open Borders, it makes more sense to bring the 100 in Nation A over to be with the 2 in Nation B.

    Yes, indeed. You describe the situation perfectly. Therefore, taking all of this into account the best advice for compassionate Canadians who want to help the refugees is for them to provide education for them in Arabic and help them buy the kinds of food they are used to eating among their friends and family right there in the Middle East. That is by far the best way to assist them. Taking them away from their families and putting them into a situation in which everything they see and hear is foreign is devastating to them and does nothing to help their friends and families who are left behind.

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  177. @Rob McX

    No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that “living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar”
     
    Sweden's climate hasn't stopped it from being overrun by Muslims. Give them enough welfare incentives and they'll move to the South Pole. A centrally heated apartment in Stockholm is warmer than a corrugated tin shack in Afghanistan.

    Svalbard does not have to take refugees, ever. It is the only place in the world left. They hold the “seed vault,” so, no messin’ with survival of the planet Earth, at any cost. Why is the Obama administration (and Bush) not being castigated as the villains, by causing this enormous Migrant crisis in the first place? From now on, all refugees + all wives of these men & multiple children, must be relocated to Northern Virginia, the Hamptons, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills & Orange County, Greenwich, Westport, New Canaan, Darien, Boston Suburbs, Palo Alto, Marin, San Francisco, etc. Their public schools rock, so, that is the equitable place for these children of refugees to soar and wind up at Harvard & Stanford. They can not be sent to the land of The Deplorables.

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    It just would be so funny to blow up that seed vault and put the whole thing on YouTube. What a pity, Green voters, but we need the space for the refugee housing that you so dearly wanted.
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  178. @Anon
    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

    It is Trump’s leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids.

    Bingo. Trump is the leftist candidate in this election and that’s one of the things that we are definitely not supposed to notice.

    The big fear of the globalists is the possibility of the rise of leftist populism. That would be a nightmare scenario for them.

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    Who are these globalists having nightmares about leftist populism in Anne Frank's attic?
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  179. sort of OT

    Steve, when are you going to talk about the lovely Southern California Calderon family? they seem to have a crime problem.

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  180. @Anon
    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

    Trump’s shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else.

    Unfortunately all too true. The US is culturally and morally an open sewer. Gentlemanly politics won’t work in such a country.

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  181. @Pierrej
    I like how Marshall can't quite bring himself to call Steve a racist for simply noticing things, so instead he asserts that Steve invented racism.

    I suppose it’s a kind of epistemological question if one can be the ‘progenitor of alt-right racism’ without being a racist — that’s too deep for me.

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  182. @utu
    "and “double cousin” marriage" - isn't it the case of the 2nd marriage of Albert Einstein?

    Double cousin marriage is when a pair of siblings marry another pair and then their children marry. It is more incestuous than normal cousin marriage and akin to marrying a half sibling.

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    And according to Wikipedia that's what Einstein's second wife was: his double first cousin.
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  183. @dfordoom

    It is Trump’s leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids.
     
    Bingo. Trump is the leftist candidate in this election and that's one of the things that we are definitely not supposed to notice.

    The big fear of the globalists is the possibility of the rise of leftist populism. That would be a nightmare scenario for them.

    Who are these globalists having nightmares about leftist populism in Anne Frank’s attic?

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  184. @Kylie
    "The white woman’s burden."

    You omitted an article.

    This slanders your forebearers. Raising children is no insignificant contribution.

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  185. @eah
    she’s got it bad

    I think Canada and Canadians have a "it" a lot worse.

    So you're saying yawning is a symptom/sign of 'Survivor's Guilt'? -- that seems a bit strange to me, honestly -- anyway, I have no doubt 'Survivor's Guilt' is real, not to mention the difficulty of adapting to life in another country/culture, where they speak another language -- especially when you're an illiterate third word woman -- an alternative explanation is that she's just plain dumb and lazy -- unmotivated -- because she sees that they give her everything she needs anyway -- she gets a place to live, food, medical care -- all the essentials are provided, whether she learns English or not, whether she yawns a lot or not -- you have to understand: word gets around -- these people know they will get a free life in a nice white country -- all they have to do is make it there -- they develop a sense of entitlement -- Canada is known as a soft touch -- there is now a considerable Afghan diaspora -- a network -- I know for a fact that marrying off a daughter to an Afghan male who lives in Canada is a plum achievement among these people -- all of this will never end -- unless western countries end it.

    The 1951 Refugee Convention -- this was the start of it -- for their own survival, every western nation ought to unilaterally abrogate this treaty -- because it gives control over who comes to their countries to the UN -- and it is now pretty clear that it is mostly a scam that funnels an endless stream of third world people -- most of whom are, in one way or another, economic migrants ('developing countries' will always be that) into the first world -- and it will not end until western nations stop it.

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  186. @JSM
    http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2010/09/09/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/

    Hey JSM,

    Thanks! Fascinating read – very nuanced position.

    Peace.

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  188. @Jack Highlands
    The coefficient of relatedness is the key difference between you and us. And it's an elegant example of gene-religion coevolution.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/

    Hey JH,

    This is a far better comment. The Malays and the Javans and Sumatrans (not to mention Bosnians and Albanians) have been Muslim for centuries, they have a negligible rate of first-cousin marriage. A universal religion accommodates multiple expressions of family relationships if it is to be considered ‘fit’ from an evolution perspective.

    Peace.

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  189. @Yak-15
    Large negative externalities is why you must prohibit cousin marriage. Increased rate of mental retardation and other serious genetic diseases is the result. Who pays for it? Education, healthcare costs and other social costs are born by others.

    Consider the tremendous costs of educating a trisomy 21 child alone. That is a lot of money and if cousin marriage were to become more common you are adding more costs to the system which is already on the verge of collapse.

    Hey Yak015,

    Thanks. There are two things at play here: 1) the moral imperative and 2) the practical imperative. In neither can the case be made for an outright ban on cousin marriage. If a random White guy from Boston wanted to marry his cousin there would a negligible affect on his children especially if his progeny did not go on to then keep on marrying cousins – over and over again. And there is easily a healthy balance that can be struck:
    “What they found was that arranged marriage should theoretically reduce the genetic diversity – or the mix of genes an individual has – in these different regions of DNA but that an appropriate partner (female cousin) was only available less than half the time. Scientists could conclude that the Rindi marriage rules are relaxed enough that there is no effect on genetic diversity in practice. Associate Professor Murray Cox from Massey University says anthropologists have been studying the diverse range of marriage rules for the last century but this is the first study to try and understand any biological effects.”

    https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/cousin-marriages-dont-lead-to-inbreeding

    But feel free to advocate a complete ban on cousin marriage for the reasons you have outlined – it’s not going to make a difference to Muslims much in the states. I know hundreds of Muslim families in the US and can’t think of a single cousin marriage that has occurred within the generation of Muslims born here (it is thought of as a little weird among them – go ahead and ask young Muslims what they think of it) – even if their parents were indeed cousins. I have heard it is different in the UK, but that’s their problem, not mine.

    Peace.

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    Do you live in Dearborne, MI? How do you know hundreds of Muslim families? I am not even sure I know over one hundred families of all faiths put together.

    We have been lucky in the states in the sense that we have accepted a lot of high end Muslim populations. I believe the urban populations in the Middle East and South Asia, in general, do not practice cousin marriage as frequently as those in the sticks. Still, consanguinity maps point out that half to a third of the population in those countries practice cousin marriage.

    I appreciate the libertarian point you are making. But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.

    Perhaps that is my biggest problem with cousin marriage.
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  190. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation.
     
    Really? The utility of exposing the tribal nature of your preferences is quite instructive. You and your brother against your cousin, etc. And now you want to claim:

    It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one’s potential offspring.
     
    Right, because you might need those retards to be the instruments of conducting suicide missions to achieve your political objectives.

    If you are an atheist
     
    Damn you for making me defend atheists. But atheists are not stupid, and they don't want a large influx of retards into the Western World.

    Hey

    No, because in tribal societies, family is massively important – more important than the state. It is the bedrock of social organization – it takes care of you when you are sick, or can’t work, resolves disputes, etc. Europeans haven’t been tribal for a while so they don’t see any benefits to that structure…as is their right…to each his own.

    instruments of conducting suicide missions

    LOL! Yeah, that’s why people have been marrying cousins for generations.

    There is no doubt that endemic rates of first-cousin marriage have had bad effects on the populations that practice them. This is fact. The other fact is that this can be remedied through education and guiding people to include more diversity in their marriage patterns to get rid of the negative effects while still keepign the door open to the practice. The funny thing is, the Muslim world has actually forgotten a wisdom in the words of the second caliph Umar (ra) when he saw the deleterious effects of a tribe due to too much inbreeding and advised them:
    “You all have become thin and weak, so marry outside the family.”

    On a related note, the Hanbali school (though definitely small in number) actually considers it a religiously recommended action to marry outside of one’s family specifically for the purpose of producing healthy, strong children. A figure of no less stature than Imam Ghazali (ra) specifically wrote that excessiveness in marrying close relatives should be avoided – which is also stated in the chapter on marriage in the manual I just pulled off my shelf from the Shafi’i school (that close relations should be avoided when picking a spouse).

    a large influx of retards into the Western World

    Who does? Then block them with legislation that we don’t take retards – who would stonewall that?

    Peace.

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  191. @Rob McX

    No other minority group has that advantage, certainly not Muslims who think that “living in a harsh climate is for the kuffar”
     
    Sweden's climate hasn't stopped it from being overrun by Muslims. Give them enough welfare incentives and they'll move to the South Pole. A centrally heated apartment in Stockholm is warmer than a corrugated tin shack in Afghanistan.

    Sweden has a maritime climate in much of the populated South. It doesn’t get much below freezing. It is nothing like the harsh winters of central Canada, where high temperatures of -40 are possible.

    One need only to compare the proportion of Muslims in the more temperate parts of Canada such as Southern Ontario and the Montreal area (enormous) to those in the Prairie parts (tiny) to see that they don’t, in general, have much intention to move to the latter.

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    While the last few winters have been mild, I'd say it's not unusual to get a brisk -10 (Celsius), or on cold clear days -20 in the Stockholm area, around the middle of Sweden (which is rather stretched out). The lower limit in practice is about -30. Hardly Siberia then, but it's not too comfortable either.

    I prefer a bit of global warming, come to think of it.
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  192. @Talha
    Hey Yak015,

    Thanks. There are two things at play here: 1) the moral imperative and 2) the practical imperative. In neither can the case be made for an outright ban on cousin marriage. If a random White guy from Boston wanted to marry his cousin there would a negligible affect on his children especially if his progeny did not go on to then keep on marrying cousins - over and over again. And there is easily a healthy balance that can be struck:
    "What they found was that arranged marriage should theoretically reduce the genetic diversity – or the mix of genes an individual has – in these different regions of DNA but that an appropriate partner (female cousin) was only available less than half the time. Scientists could conclude that the Rindi marriage rules are relaxed enough that there is no effect on genetic diversity in practice. Associate Professor Murray Cox from Massey University says anthropologists have been studying the diverse range of marriage rules for the last century but this is the first study to try and understand any biological effects."
    https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/cousin-marriages-dont-lead-to-inbreeding


    But feel free to advocate a complete ban on cousin marriage for the reasons you have outlined - it's not going to make a difference to Muslims much in the states. I know hundreds of Muslim families in the US and can't think of a single cousin marriage that has occurred within the generation of Muslims born here (it is thought of as a little weird among them - go ahead and ask young Muslims what they think of it) - even if their parents were indeed cousins. I have heard it is different in the UK, but that's their problem, not mine.

    Peace.

    Do you live in Dearborne, MI? How do you know hundreds of Muslim families? I am not even sure I know over one hundred families of all faiths put together.

    We have been lucky in the states in the sense that we have accepted a lot of high end Muslim populations. I believe the urban populations in the Middle East and South Asia, in general, do not practice cousin marriage as frequently as those in the sticks. Still, consanguinity maps point out that half to a third of the population in those countries practice cousin marriage.

    I appreciate the libertarian point you are making. But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.

    Perhaps that is my biggest problem with cousin marriage.

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    Hey Yak-15,

    I'm a Muslim, I've lived all over the place in Southern California before finally settling in the Chicagoland area. It is very easy to know hundreds in attending the various mosques over decades.

    But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.
     
    No problem. Keep in mind, the nation-state (in its current global form) is a fairly recent phenomenon and totally alien to those people. If you tell a person he is an Iraqi and not a Saudi, but he is part of a tribe (Bani Tamim) that straddles both and has been around since at least late antiquity - where do you think his identity lies? Why should he leave tribal norms (especially when they can be tweaked slightly for health issues) for a nation-state? Especially when the nation state has its own issues - which we are often talking about on this site.

    Should those people not be invited? Sure, the people in the US and elsewhere have a right to restrict immigration as they see fit. If they only wanted to allow an immigration policy of nubile, intelligent females with certain chest and hip ratios, that would be fully within their rights.

    I think a few immigrants here and there probably don't hurt, but vast numbers of them from starkly different cultures doesn't seem to be working well, especially when the host society itself is having issues and loss of confidence.

    For the record, I only wanted to make it clear in my original post, there is no evidence that uncle-niece marriage is allowed in Islam.

    Peace.
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  193. @Anon
    "The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis..."

    Give Trump the Gaddafi treatment.

    Kill him like the Tsar to send a message there is no going back.

    Hang him like Tojo and Saddam.

    Piss on him like on the corpse of Mussolini.

    Not only about Trump but future would-be-Trumpers as leaders and followers.

    Tim Wise on Trump is pretty hysterical, even more so than on the Greatest Generation.

    But I think a lot of anger with Trump has to do with the fact that his championing of the American Worker and those left behind really exposed and embarrassed the so-called 'left' and 'progressives' who are now behind a candidate lavished by Wall Street, military-industrial complex, and globalist super-rich.

    How dare Trump, the hero of the American New Right, energize American Workers all across the country while so-called 'progressives' in institutions and NGO's are hobnobbing with the super-elites in corridors of power.

    I think the progs would hate Trump less if he ran only on rightist issues. They feel threatened because he ran on some leftist issues addressing the American worker and even blacks who are swamped by immigration. He has stolen their thunder, and they cannot forgive him. Not because he is too 'rightist' but because he stole fire from the left by exposing the current left as being bedfellows of globalist oligarchs.
    It is Trump's leftist aspect that is most damaging to the current left that fixates mostly on gender-pronoun politics of pampered college kids. Conservative leftism is demeaned as 'populism', and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics. That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump's.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html

    Another way in which Trump is threatening is he has "un-moralized" American politics. All the 'family values' and 'good manners' aspect of GOP politics made conservatives seem uptight, uncool, and trapped in the 1950s. And they were mocked mercilessly by hip media into swinging Bill Clinton and slick hipster Obama.

    Trump's shameless style has finally exposed America as a culturally and morally decrepit country. Trump is trashy and so is everyone else. No more pretensions otherwise. The notion of 'presidential' is out the window, especially after Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama(and Michelle). Hillary is surrounded by the likes of Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus. Obama's daughter twerks like a whore and smokes pot. Brian Williams' daughter get rimjob on TV. Family Guy is on primetime slot.

    Trump seems to say, Okay, this is America. It is trash. So now, it's all about raw power and naked interests. He had denuded politics of bogus morality that has been lost long ago and has lingered only as pretense. It's whore vs pimp.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1543692838984074/

    Enjoyed your cause & symptoms touch, Anon:


    “… and even Michael Moore is upset because someone from the GOP is running on Roger and Me politics.
    That was supposed to be his shtick, not Trump’s.

    With just weeks before the election, Jann Wenner duly sanctions for a 400 pounds of the world’s finest Flintonian sac de merde to be unloaded all over the latest issue of Rolling Erdely magazine. (Protip : heavy-duty hazmat gloves are must-have accessory for browsing through the Moore’s hiterview )

    Intentionally or not, the Lacoste uberhuman-billboard sluggishly invoked Soviet style concept of Psikhushka, as he was casually presenting the blueprint of compassionate final solution reserved probably not only for Der Trümpher, but the all other ‘millions and millions’ of deplorables also suffering from Trumpism Condition* :

    Moore on Trump:

    “…But he’s not well.
    I would not want to pick on him anymore.
    We need to stop him. You can’t have a sociopath in the White House and some will disagree with me and say, “No, Mike, you’re wrong. He is a psychopath.”

    I’m not educated enough to know the difference.

    But he’s not a well person and he needs help.
    And once you realize that he has a mental illness, at that point, if you’re a human being with a soul and a conscience, you want him to get help.

    At the same time, you have to protect the population from him like you do with a pedophile. A pedophile doesn’t need to be in prison; they’re sick.
    They have to be separated from us so they don’t hurt children.

    But you have to treat it that way….”.

    *In the Soviet Union, psychiatric hospitals were often used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally; as such they were considered a form of torture.
    The official explanation was that no sane person would be against socialism.

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  194. @5371
    How's it going with observing the scriptural injunctions against homosexuality, Jews?

    Ideologically, the homosexual contingent, along with the rest of the Israeli left, is allied with the Arabs against the religious “settlers” who are accused of these wrongdoings. Try to keep up.

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  195. @Lot
    Double cousin marriage is when a pair of siblings marry another pair and then their children marry. It is more incestuous than normal cousin marriage and akin to marrying a half sibling.

    And according to Wikipedia that’s what Einstein’s second wife was: his double first cousin.

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    Her father was not the brother of Albert's father, but the first cousin. Wikipedia is not using the precise definition in saying that was a double cousin marriage. It is still worse than "normal" cousin marriage.
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  196. @Yak-15
    Do you live in Dearborne, MI? How do you know hundreds of Muslim families? I am not even sure I know over one hundred families of all faiths put together.

    We have been lucky in the states in the sense that we have accepted a lot of high end Muslim populations. I believe the urban populations in the Middle East and South Asia, in general, do not practice cousin marriage as frequently as those in the sticks. Still, consanguinity maps point out that half to a third of the population in those countries practice cousin marriage.

    I appreciate the libertarian point you are making. But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.

    Perhaps that is my biggest problem with cousin marriage.

    Hey Yak-15,

    I’m a Muslim, I’ve lived all over the place in Southern California before finally settling in the Chicagoland area. It is very easy to know hundreds in attending the various mosques over decades.

    But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.

    No problem. Keep in mind, the nation-state (in its current global form) is a fairly recent phenomenon and totally alien to those people. If you tell a person he is an Iraqi and not a Saudi, but he is part of a tribe (Bani Tamim) that straddles both and has been around since at least late antiquity – where do you think his identity lies? Why should he leave tribal norms (especially when they can be tweaked slightly for health issues) for a nation-state? Especially when the nation state has its own issues – which we are often talking about on this site.

    Should those people not be invited? Sure, the people in the US and elsewhere have a right to restrict immigration as they see fit. If they only wanted to allow an immigration policy of nubile, intelligent females with certain chest and hip ratios, that would be fully within their rights.

    I think a few immigrants here and there probably don’t hurt, but vast numbers of them from starkly different cultures doesn’t seem to be working well, especially when the host society itself is having issues and loss of confidence.

    For the record, I only wanted to make it clear in my original post, there is no evidence that uncle-niece marriage is allowed in Islam.

    Peace.

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  197. @Monopthalmus
    It's been going on for awhile now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDkACPLkOFs

    This show ran for several seasons, and our gentle Canadian Pravda crowed about how funny and popular it was for years.

    Does anyone think this show was popular, funny, viable, etc.? Does anything think this is anything less than propaganda and normalization?

    We all thought it was really gay.

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  198. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    Marshall’s bride looks like the result of some Semitic inbreeding program.

    Lefties are always unhappy because of the women, by dint of they’re inherent dweebieness, they’re forced to be with.

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  199. “Families Don’t Have Borders”

    A very rapey analogy.

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  200. @eah
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win -- you cannot reason with these people -- so forget this incomprehensible 'Citizenism' stuff and come out as a White Nationalist -- at least then you'll be called a 'racist' for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/790218840504430592

    To me the odder thing in that tweet was Marshall’s complaint about too many heterosexuals in the social media game. Not sure what he’s driving at there.

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  201. If Trump wins this election, it will be the sociopolitical equivalent of the move you see in the movies, where the ogre picks up his victim, holds him high overhead, and then breaks his back over his knee.

    As you can imagine, Palestinian Arabs are always running blood feuds among rival clans where they poison each other’s livestock, etc. as they have been doing for centuries, but nobody gives a damn about those.

    I give a damn. I care as much as diaspora Jews care about how often blacks bump each other off.

    To Hell with the Palestinians. They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, despite having the only UN refugee admin on their side for almost 70 years. Their own Arab brethren don’t want them.

    I’m a horse trader, so, I expect something in return for this Zionist-friendly position. Say, diaspora Jews finally saying “to Hell with American blacks. They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, despite having trillions of dollars of white tax money thrown at them. African blacks hate them.”

    I’m not holding my breath.

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  202. @Talha
    Hey Yak-15,

    I'm a Muslim, I've lived all over the place in Southern California before finally settling in the Chicagoland area. It is very easy to know hundreds in attending the various mosques over decades.

    But I think its application finds limitations when we discuss tribal populations that have demonstrated long histories of inabilities to create high-functioning nation states.
     
    No problem. Keep in mind, the nation-state (in its current global form) is a fairly recent phenomenon and totally alien to those people. If you tell a person he is an Iraqi and not a Saudi, but he is part of a tribe (Bani Tamim) that straddles both and has been around since at least late antiquity - where do you think his identity lies? Why should he leave tribal norms (especially when they can be tweaked slightly for health issues) for a nation-state? Especially when the nation state has its own issues - which we are often talking about on this site.

    Should those people not be invited? Sure, the people in the US and elsewhere have a right to restrict immigration as they see fit. If they only wanted to allow an immigration policy of nubile, intelligent females with certain chest and hip ratios, that would be fully within their rights.

    I think a few immigrants here and there probably don't hurt, but vast numbers of them from starkly different cultures doesn't seem to be working well, especially when the host society itself is having issues and loss of confidence.

    For the record, I only wanted to make it clear in my original post, there is no evidence that uncle-niece marriage is allowed in Islam.

    Peace.

    Good post. I hope you’ll stick around.

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  203. @Questionator
    Mr Sailer, you just cannot win — you cannot reason with these people — so forget this incomprehensible ‘Citizenism’ stuff and come out as a White Nationalist — at least then you’ll be called a ‘racist’ for supporting the worthwhile cause of preserving America as a majority white nation.

    Is White majoritarianism the same as White nationalism?

    White majoritarianism in Europe and the Anglosphete is consistent with citizenism, by the way.

    White majoritarianism in Europe and the Anglosphete is consistent with citizenism, by the way.

    But not the other way around — ie ‘Citizenism’ (as I understand it, anyway) does not guarantee what you call “White majoritarianism” — which was more or less my point — oder?

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  204. @Perspective
    As a Canadian, I fully admit there is a special, supercilious naivety about us. I think this may have to do with part of the Canadian identity now being predicated on appearing to be morally superior to Americans. One thing is for certain, with the government increasing immigration and refugee levels, our time for being guileless is running out fast. Unlike previous years, the Canadian government is focusing less on economic immigration and more on family reunification and refugee resettlement. The 2011 census showed that Ontario was just under 5 percent Muslim, this was before the Syrian and other refugee influx. On the ground level there is a noticeable shift in the demographics that is palpable in the larger metro areas.

    I would just like to pass on some information that I was sent from gatestoneinstitute.org yesterday.
    There was a very interesting article by Soeren Kern dated October 20,2016.
    The headline is called “Germans Leaving Germany “In Droves”. Everyone should read this that cares what happens to their country because I believe Canada is headed in the same direction that the EU has found it’s self in as is the U.S. especially since Obama has been in charge.
    In the past ten years Germany has lost at least 1.5 million well educated German families because of the influx of Muslims that are taking over all of the countries that make up the EU expecting the taxpayer to foot all their bills. This started at least 25 years ago when the EU started encouraging the Muslims to move to Europe to find work. As time went on the longer the Muslim population was lived there the more and more they expected the governments in each country to give them what ever they asked for including sharia law side by side with the existing laws of each country.
    This will take to long to go over everything that has happened I would suggest going to the website and reading the complete article as well as numerous other articles describing to the public just what has happened since the refugees that has poured into Europe the past two years.
    You won’t believe what the local population was told by their governments.

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  205. @reiner Tor
    And according to Wikipedia that's what Einstein's second wife was: his double first cousin.

    Her father was not the brother of Albert’s father, but the first cousin. Wikipedia is not using the precise definition in saying that was a double cousin marriage. It is still worse than “normal” cousin marriage.

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  206. Family ties are very strong in some nations and that is something that western people should understand. It is, however, sad that refugees have to go through such a life-changing thing. We all need to learn to be more understanding towards each other.

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    Family ties are very important to Western people as well.

    It is, however, sad that refugees have to go through such a life-changing thing. We all need to learn to be more understanding towards each other.

    99% of immigrants to the United States do not "have to" come here. Maybe family ties in their cultures aren't as strong as you think they are.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I do understand strong family ties and I am happy for them to have these ties in their own countries. My country is not a dumpster for the detritus of the world.

    Now go away.
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  207. @Ted Chang
    Family ties are very strong in some nations and that is something that western people should understand. It is, however, sad that refugees have to go through such a life-changing thing. We all need to learn to be more understanding towards each other.

    Family ties are very important to Western people as well.

    It is, however, sad that refugees have to go through such a life-changing thing. We all need to learn to be more understanding towards each other.

    99% of immigrants to the United States do not “have to” come here. Maybe family ties in their cultures aren’t as strong as you think they are.

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  208. @Ted Chang
    Family ties are very strong in some nations and that is something that western people should understand. It is, however, sad that refugees have to go through such a life-changing thing. We all need to learn to be more understanding towards each other.

    I do understand strong family ties and I am happy for them to have these ties in their own countries. My country is not a dumpster for the detritus of the world.

    Now go away.

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  209. @eah
    she’s got it bad

    I think Canada and Canadians have a "it" a lot worse.

    So you're saying yawning is a symptom/sign of 'Survivor's Guilt'? -- that seems a bit strange to me, honestly -- anyway, I have no doubt 'Survivor's Guilt' is real, not to mention the difficulty of adapting to life in another country/culture, where they speak another language -- especially when you're an illiterate third word woman -- an alternative explanation is that she's just plain dumb and lazy -- unmotivated -- because she sees that they give her everything she needs anyway -- she gets a place to live, food, medical care -- all the essentials are provided, whether she learns English or not, whether she yawns a lot or not -- you have to understand: word gets around -- these people know they will get a free life in a nice white country -- all they have to do is make it there -- they develop a sense of entitlement -- Canada is known as a soft touch -- there is now a considerable Afghan diaspora -- a network -- I know for a fact that marrying off a daughter to an Afghan male who lives in Canada is a plum achievement among these people -- all of this will never end -- unless western countries end it.

    The 1951 Refugee Convention -- this was the start of it -- for their own survival, every western nation ought to unilaterally abrogate this treaty -- because it gives control over who comes to their countries to the UN -- and it is now pretty clear that it is mostly a scam that funnels an endless stream of third world people -- most of whom are, in one way or another, economic migrants ('developing countries' will always be that) into the first world -- and it will not end until western nations stop it.

    a free life in a nice white country

    Fury in Germany over Syrian Muslim refugee who gets state hand-outs for his FOUR wives and 22 children

    A German financial manager released his calculation of what the German state is paying to the entire family annually. On the website of the Employers’ Association he estimated that the refugees are getting roughly 360,000 Euro per year.

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  210. In article about an illiterate Syrian shepherd’s family brought to Canada by naive Canadians who assume that nuclear families are the global norm:

    Wait one.

    So now whites’ pathological altruism itself is racism?

    I can live with that interpretation, Steven.

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  211. @Talha
    Hey JH,

    Thanks for adding nothing of value to the conversation. Incest is the name of a moral crime as far as we are concerned; if marriage between cousins was one, it would have been proscribed by sacred law. It happens to be an issue of cultural preference and making prudent decisions regarding the health of one's potential offspring.

    If you are a Christian, please present evidence of prohibitions from church canon law. If you are an atheist, what do you care if it's between consenting adults?

    Peace.

    “what do you care if it’s between consenting adults?”

    You’re right. Now let me go eff my sister.

    Don’t you dare object, or even cringe at the thought, or you’re a bigot!

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  212. @MJMD
    Canada actually has a few other advantages as well, in spite of itself.

    1) Canada's immigrant population actually is "diverse." Yes, a lot of them have recreated social structures from the old country to get around burdensome regulations (like, for example, Mennonites and Hutterites...more power to them, I say). A lot of them are also Punjabi Sikhs and heterodox Muslims of South Asian descent who have a, shall we say, more realistic view of what exactly to expect from prole Arab Muslim trash, and who I actually trust to tell white Canada to hit the brakes.*

    *(English Canada, anyway - Quebec's demographics look a lot more like France's, saved for now only by big 20th Century infusions of Mizrahi Jews and middle class Haitians but looking pretty dire for the future if tommorrow's immigration is also Francophonie based).

    2) prole-class Arab Muslims like the ones that Canada has mostly taken in actually aren't nearly as big a problem when it comes to Islamic terrorism as the would-be professionals now infesting Europe, all of whom seem to proclaim that they want to be doctors or to finish their university degrees on the government's dime and none of whom have realistic expectations of how transferable their "skills" will actually be. Terrorism is a phenomenon of the educated and relatively comfortable, and the "high human value" Muslims settling illegally in Europe will turn to it in large numbers when frustrated. Canada will have to worry about the second generation, of course, but I actually think that kids who are likely to be working class themselves (in a country with lots of working class employment on offer) and who see their parents struggling daily with English and basic failures of assimilation are more likely to attribute their challenges in life to that rather than some phantom racism or "the infidel."

    I believe this is the point where the Chinese needle snakes are imported.

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  213. @BenKenobi
    "When you realize what a joke everything is, being The Comedian is the only thing that makes sense."

    At first glance, I read “The Comedian” as “Canadian”. That works too.

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  214. @Lagertha
    Swedes are idiots. They have chosen this suffering. Why they let in all these Muslims for decades?...well, it's too late now. Sweden is the "new Somalia."

    But we’re soooo much better than the old Somalia. I think the rot really got going when we ‘temporarily’ let in a large number of Bosnian Muslim refugees in the 1990s.

    However, Sweden added a considerable, though far lesser, number of non-Swedes during the last part of the 20th century. (I will skip the comparatively few but of course culturally important Jews. Their most influential families entered Sweden in the 19th century and early 20th.) In the 1960s, there were guest workers from Yugoslavia and elsewhere, who also provided the international gang criminality we had not previously seen. These days, Yugoslavs seem like fairly reasonable people by comparison to others. We also let in fleeing Chilean communists, who have taken the opportunity to join and rise in our local communist party. Ex-communist, they want me to note. Perhaps the largest immigrant group is that of Finns, who also came here as guest workers at first. Later on, the joke has been that Finnish welfare spending consists of a one-way ticket on the ferry to Stockholm. Who knows if Finland now enjoys the fruits of exporting their underclass and undesirables to Sweden? It has long been clear that Finns in Sweden underperform and have many social problems, perhaps a bit like Mexicans in the US. But worrying about that seems so very remote now when we instead have fresh new alien groups who take hostility to a whole new level and feel so very entitled about it.

    These days, it seems most of those coming in are mixed Arabs and Somalis, of course, because of our deep historical, colonial connections to the Middle East and Somalia.

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    your last paragraph; Sweden was never a colonial country as far as Africa or the Middle East from what I recall. Now, they were Swedish colonialists with Finland, so yeah, many poor Finns emigrated to Sweden for at least 100 years. But, now, if any for the last decade, the only Finns are the top 10% students that come to study in Sweden who are multilingual.

    The problems of Sweden have developed in the last 25+ years when Sweden decided to let in Muslims from the heck ever. Sweden's problem is their death-march neuroses of virtue-signaling-to-the-max - Ingmar Bergman was a master of exposing this weakness of Swedes.

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  215. @Lagertha
    Svalbard does not have to take refugees, ever. It is the only place in the world left. They hold the "seed vault," so, no messin' with survival of the planet Earth, at any cost. Why is the Obama administration (and Bush) not being castigated as the villains, by causing this enormous Migrant crisis in the first place? From now on, all refugees + all wives of these men & multiple children, must be relocated to Northern Virginia, the Hamptons, Chappaqua, Beverly Hills & Orange County, Greenwich, Westport, New Canaan, Darien, Boston Suburbs, Palo Alto, Marin, San Francisco, etc. Their public schools rock, so, that is the equitable place for these children of refugees to soar and wind up at Harvard & Stanford. They can not be sent to the land of The Deplorables.

    It just would be so funny to blow up that seed vault and put the whole thing on YouTube. What a pity, Green voters, but we need the space for the refugee housing that you so dearly wanted.

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    hahahaa...good one. But, then we really are screwed, right? This whole refugee thing is a bunch of bs that has gone so out of proportion/control of/by the global elite, so yeah, maybe if the EU leaders/international globalists are as incompetent and low IQ like I think they are, they will not understand the sanctity of Svalbard. I happen to love Svalbard, the Nordkapp, Patagonia, Antarctica, Alaska, The Northern Territories...yeah weird...I know.
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  216. @biz
    Sweden has a maritime climate in much of the populated South. It doesn't get much below freezing. It is nothing like the harsh winters of central Canada, where high temperatures of -40 are possible.

    One need only to compare the proportion of Muslims in the more temperate parts of Canada such as Southern Ontario and the Montreal area (enormous) to those in the Prairie parts (tiny) to see that they don't, in general, have much intention to move to the latter.

    While the last few winters have been mild, I’d say it’s not unusual to get a brisk -10 (Celsius), or on cold clear days -20 in the Stockholm area, around the middle of Sweden (which is rather stretched out). The lower limit in practice is about -30. Hardly Siberia then, but it’s not too comfortable either.

    I prefer a bit of global warming, come to think of it.

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    But we're soooo much better than the old Somalia. I think the rot really got going when we 'temporarily' let in a large number of Bosnian Muslim refugees in the 1990s.

    However, Sweden added a considerable, though far lesser, number of non-Swedes during the last part of the 20th century. (I will skip the comparatively few but of course culturally important Jews. Their most influential families entered Sweden in the 19th century and early 20th.) In the 1960s, there were guest workers from Yugoslavia and elsewhere, who also provided the international gang criminality we had not previously seen. These days, Yugoslavs seem like fairly reasonable people by comparison to others. We also let in fleeing Chilean communists, who have taken the opportunity to join and rise in our local communist party. Ex-communist, they want me to note. Perhaps the largest immigrant group is that of Finns, who also came here as guest workers at first. Later on, the joke has been that Finnish welfare spending consists of a one-way ticket on the ferry to Stockholm. Who knows if Finland now enjoys the fruits of exporting their underclass and undesirables to Sweden? It has long been clear that Finns in Sweden underperform and have many social problems, perhaps a bit like Mexicans in the US. But worrying about that seems so very remote now when we instead have fresh new alien groups who take hostility to a whole new level and feel so very entitled about it.

    These days, it seems most of those coming in are mixed Arabs and Somalis, of course, because of our deep historical, colonial connections to the Middle East and Somalia.

    your last paragraph; Sweden was never a colonial country as far as Africa or the Middle East from what I recall. Now, they were Swedish colonialists with Finland, so yeah, many poor Finns emigrated to Sweden for at least 100 years. But, now, if any for the last decade, the only Finns are the top 10% students that come to study in Sweden who are multilingual.

    The problems of Sweden have developed in the last 25+ years when Sweden decided to let in Muslims from the heck ever. Sweden’s problem is their death-march neuroses of virtue-signaling-to-the-max – Ingmar Bergman was a master of exposing this weakness of Swedes.

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  218. @Pericles
    It just would be so funny to blow up that seed vault and put the whole thing on YouTube. What a pity, Green voters, but we need the space for the refugee housing that you so dearly wanted.

    hahahaa…good one. But, then we really are screwed, right? This whole refugee thing is a bunch of bs that has gone so out of proportion/control of/by the global elite, so yeah, maybe if the EU leaders/international globalists are as incompetent and low IQ like I think they are, they will not understand the sanctity of Svalbard. I happen to love Svalbard, the Nordkapp, Patagonia, Antarctica, Alaska, The Northern Territories…yeah weird…I know.

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