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From the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology:

Racial stereotyping of gay men: Can a minority sexual orientation erase race?

Christopher D.Petsko Galen V.Bodenhausen

Abstract
Decades of research indicate that the traits we ascribe to people often depend on their race. Yet, the bulk of this research has not considered how racial stereotypes might also depend on other aspects of targets’ identities. To address this, researchers have begun to ask intersectional questions about racial stereotypes, such as whether they are applied in similar ways to men and women, or to children and adults. In the present studies, we examine whether men who are described as gay (vs. not) become de-racialized in the minds of perceivers. That is, we test whether gay (vs. non-gay) men are perceived as less stereotypic of their own racial or ethnic groups. Results consistently support the de-racialization hypothesis, regardless of whether targets are Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic. Moreover, when Black and Hispanic men are described as gay (vs. not), they become stereotypically “Whitened” in addition to seeming less stereotypic of their own racial groups. This “Whitening” effect is explained by Black and Hispanic men’s seeming more affluent when described as gay (vs. when not), an effect that holds even when controlling for changes in these men’s stereotypic femininity. Collectively, these findings underscore the point that race and sexual orientation are not orthogonal in the minds of perceivers. A minority sexual orientation can alter the racial characteristics ascribed to men, reducing the perceived presence of race-typical traits and, for low-SES men, increasing their perceived “Whiteness.”

This plays out in the real world as well. For example, a large fraction of the black and Mexican men I met in the corporate yuppie world were gay. My explanation: among the problems besetting black and Mexican men in advancing in office jobs is an excess of machismo. For blacks, it’s more at the Nature level, for Mexicans more at Nurture level: jobs involving lifting heavy things are macho, while jobs involving typing are not. Gays generally don’t suffer from an excess of machismo, so they do well in white collar work.

Interestingly, findings like these debunk the wildly popular Theory of Intersectionality, which, by logic, predicts that Your Oppression Index depends upon how many Diversity Pokemon Points you have.

Thus, the Theory of Intersectionality predicts that straight black men would do better than black women or black gay men in nice corporate white collar careers, because straight black men only have 1 Pokemon Point, while black women and gay men have 2 Pokemon Points, so therefore straight black men are more privileged.

In reality, it’s more the opposite (for example, see Raj Chetty’s 2018 work on incomes of black men vs. black women), thus falsifying the Theory of Intersectionality.

In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest that because gay men tend to be less masculine, then black and Mexican gay men on average fit in better in genteel work environments than do straight black and Mexican men. This fits the data a lot better than the Theory of Intersectionality, but that’s why nobody ever articulates it: it’s crimethink.

 
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  1. Glad that’s over with.

    Exonerated!

  2. We’re a long, long way from the Velvet Underground.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  3. SFG says:

    You want something that’s very well-documented: black men do a lot worse than black women, in large part for the reasons you cited and because of trouble with the law.

    You can actually find things in black culture celebrating black men, because they want to encourage the prosocial portion of them to stay with the women and help raise the kids. Very unfeminist!

    If you want to attack the theory of intersectionality, a good general metric would be to find cases where, given some metric X, the effect of having traits A and B is the opposite of having traits A and B separately. In linear regression terms, where y = A + B + AB, AB is the opposite sign of A and B (the interaction term is negative).

  4. Are you certain it’s wholly a self-selection thing?

    I think the Intersectionality theory sort of works in a prophylactic way for corporate America – in most work environments you’d probably prefer to have black women than black men, the former being perhaps annoying but much less physically dangerous. My observation squares with yours in that you’ll frequently see black women, and the black men you see are at least slight and somewhat effeminate (don’t know that they’re necessarily gay).

    • Replies: @Tim
  5. M_Young says:

    The CDC doesn’t even call ‘gay’ black and Latino men ‘gay’, they call them ‘men having sex with men’. That works out to MSM, which can be confusing (though given CNN’s current lineup, there’s a large overlap). Anyhoo, the reason the CDC doesn’t call black homosexuals, you know, gay, is because homosexuality is a white thing.

  6. Dtbb says:

    I always have taken the Theory of Intersectionality to mean your opposite definition. Must be I am just too stupid to fathom the nuances.

  7. “Racial stereotyping of gay men: Can a minority sexual orientation erase race?”

    yeah kinda. among normal people, they become homos, instead of different kinds of guys. that’s how most normal people categorize them mentally, probably automatically and involuntarily.

    among the homos though, they still see the differences and the differences still matter.

  8. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Gays generally don’t suffer from an excess of machismo, so they do well in white collar work.

    Gays network. They have gay mafias in white collar organizations through which they promote each other. Also, gays sleep their way to the top, which straight men generally cannot do because women at the top of organizations are either lesbians or straight women who look down on lower ranking males.

  9. Zippy says:

    The problem with your analysis is that you are trying to apply Western White Male Cisgendered thinking to this problem. Of course using “rationality” and “logic” leads you to conclude that intersectionality is falsified. So much the worse for logic! You’re just showing we need to decolonize the whole idea of argumentation and consistency.

    Tiny Duck can explain this far more clearly.

    Seriously, yes of course. But intersectionality never made any sense at any time in any way. It was always stupid. It’s just the conventional Marxism says all oppression is about class, while feminism says it’s about sex, while Critical Race Theory says it’s race. These ideas and the theory behind them are contradictory. But if you’re going to get Marxists, feminists and Black Activists together (plus the gays and lesbians and now the transgendered and pansexual or whatever) you need some word noises so it at least appears to make sense.

    Hence, intersectionality.

  10. @SFG

    You want something that’s very well-documented: black men do a lot worse than black women, in large part for the reasons you cited and because of trouble with the law.

    Perhaps that is true in general, but the Oreo-type black males seem to do very well in the corporate world.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  11. @Anonymous

    Gays network. They have gay mafias in white collar organizations through which they promote each other.

    It’s not even clandestine anymore. We have an identity-based employee group for homos where I work. They have direct inputs to highly placed people in HR and the division leadership.

    We also have race and gender-based employee groups.

    Evil white men get the intrapreneur group that anyone can join.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    , @anon
  12. SFG says:
    @Zippy

    It seems pretty sensible to me. If oppression is about race, gender, or orientation, you can fight over which one’s more important. But if it’s all a complex interlocking system, you can fight together against the evil stale pale male.

    Reading history does give you more of a long-view on these things–Schlesinger used to write books like ‘The Age of Jackson’ about how the Democrats had always stood up for the little guy, which of course included poor white southerners at that point in time (1945). I always found it funny how the Left constructs these theories to ‘speak truth to power’ that just seem to match whatever coalition they’ve got at the present time.

    Of course, it’s the normal process of coalition-building at work; look at the way laissez-faire ‘classical liberalism’ is falling out of favor under Trump on the right.

  13. @The Wild Geese Howard

    But what fraction of Oreo-type blacks males who do well in the corporate world are gay? 5x or 10X disproportionate?

  14. How do attitudes change if a black man is described as “burly”? Even if he is bald, barefoot, and wearing a sundress.

    https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/05/accused-killer-of-lily-burk-pleads-guilty-avoids-death-penalty-.html

    “Surveillance images from a downtown ATM kiosk later showed a burly, bald man resembling Samuel with an arm tightly around a petite, teenage girl, barefoot and in a sundress.”

  15. AndrewR says:

    Richard Spencer said a few years ago that homosexuality is the last stand of implicit whiteness. He got a lot of flack for that but this study certainly seems to support his thesis.

    • Replies: @SFG
  16. Whatever the formal definition of “intersectionality” might be in academic discourse, as used in framing denunciatory rhetoric it means the repudiation of any appeal to common humanity.

    And not just a rejection of straight White males.

    It’s anyone with fewer diversity points. For example a skinny black lesbian would be held to have nothing worth saying to a fat black lesbian, etc.

  17. Collectively, these findings underscore the point that race and sexual orientation are not orthogonal in the minds of perceivers.

    I’m not ashamed to admit it, but I had to look up “orthogonal:”

    or·thog·o·nal
    /ôrˈTHäɡənl/
    adjective
    adjective: orthogonal
    1.of or involving right angles; at right angles.
    2.STATISTICS
    (of variates) statistically independent.
    (of an experiment) having variates which can be treated as statistically independent.

    And yes, it’s definitely true that gay black men seem more gay, and less black, for some reason.

  18. AndrewR says:
    @M_Young

    “Gay” is an identity that isn’t embraced by all MSM, nor are all gay men sexually active.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  19. Oh, there will be a new way of finding out how oppressive straight white men are. You can bet on that.

  20. Cortes says:

    Any evidence of a “Bowie” strategy whereby the canny fellows camp it up to achieve their career goals and then relax into their real natures?

    Perhaps it’s really a “Warren” strategy.

  21. @Zippy

    “word noises so it at least appears to make sense”

    That’s an apt characterization of woke theory and jargon. Those who employ such terms as “mass incarceration,” “black bodies,” and “white fragility” parrot them mindlessly and turn off what little analytical power they may possess. Of course, frequently those who glom onto such trendy PC word noises often aren’t too bright– not that there’s acceptance of the idea of intelligence or truth now anyway.

  22. “Gay” is an identity that isn’t embraced by all MSM, nor are all gay men sexually active.

    Yes, but “gay” means a man who has sex with men (or conversely, a man who would enjoy doing so, if he were not celibate). It doesn’t matter whether they “embrace” this so-called “identity”. The term refers to them, irrespective of whether they like it.

  23. @The Wild Geese Howard

    yes, this is how it works at most big corporations and its how it works at MBA schools. Basically every group that votes democrat except asians gets special benefits. The result will be increasingly woke corporations and less and less power in the hands of the people who actually build and maintain societies.

  24. notanon says:

    “Wokemon points” was one of your best.

    • Replies: @SFG
  25. Flemur says:

    when Black and Hispanic men are described as gay (vs. not), they become stereotypically “Whitened”

    I bet they’d be more “whitened” if they were described as bank managers or lawyers.

  26. @M_Young

    It’s because the CDC tracks diseases, and what transmits diseases is behaviour not self-identification. MSM is a much more useful category than gay, because there are men who enjoy sex with both men and women, only occasionally with men, etc, and don’t fit into the idea of “gay” as men who only have sex with other men.

  27. @Steve Sailer

    The three Oreos I have dealt with all appear to be in stable, long-term marriages.

    I know two of those marriages are interracial, one is married to a very cute Nisei and another is married to a plumpish white woman. The second couple just had a baby.

    That said, the male in the second couple is suspect. He loves working out and going to the gym. He appears to be on some type of PED. He also has a weak, effeminate voice and lispy speech pattern. Then again, so did Mike Tyson.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  28. @Anonymous

    We do? Really? Could you please tell me what companies so I can apply there, I would really like to get paid more. I’ve been stuck at this thankless white collar job for over a year with no raise, although I’m pretty sure I’m the only gay guy there. Also that makes sleeping my way to the top a bit difficult, I’ve never encountered a senior manager or director at any company I’ve worked at who was openly gay. I would totally do it if I could though! Wouldn’t you? Also on that note, there are far more senior managers who are women than gay men, so what’s stopping you from sleeping your way to the top?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @jbwilson24
  29. @Anonymous

    Also, have you ever considered that, if they do indeed exist, these evil networking mafias might be a response to how gay men would routinely get ostracized, refused promotions, fired, etc. in the corporate world for being gay up until quite recently, and still do in certain areas and industries?

    How many straight guys have gotten a job because their drinking buddy from college worked at the company? Because the husband of their wife’s friend worked at the company? Maybe straight men find it easier to form their networks based on passtimes and hobbies that are more common to straight men, and since they are the OVERWHELMING majority of men in the corporate world, they don’t need a special interest networking group? The racial angle is another matter entirely of course. Soon or if not already white men could use a group like that. But sexuality still plays a role as well, do you know what it’s like to try to rise in the corporate world without having ANY interest in sports? Please don’t blame us for looking out for our own when no one else did for the longest time. It’s not like there are that many gay men taking away your jobs. And we’re not like, um, certain other groups, successful/important gays tend to be really good at what they do.

  30. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Straight black males with >90 IQs and some ability to defer gratification and not chimp out often do very well in “man jobs” particularly where the rest of the crew doesn’t have to trust their safety to their good judgment. So why get an office job? Some of them are very valued employees, they are physically rugged and if they have a decent disposition can fill a billet well. I notice them in telecom field (outside plant) , railroad signals, etc. they seem to o okay. Not so much as power company linemen. Tire and trailer mechanics, ramp workers for airlines, etc, you see a fair number.

  31. Do we have any studies on average IQ for gay men compared to straight? Higher average IQ for gay minorities would explain much when it comes to overrepresentation in white collar jobs.

  32. SFG says:
    @AndrewR

    There’s quite a bit of truth to that. Of course, there are all the rumors he’s gay. 😉

    A lot of Jewish stereotypes (not including politics of course) are exaggerations of white stereotypes among nonwhites–academic orientation, lack of athletic ability, financial success and greed.

  33. @Zippy

    The problem with your analysis is that you are trying to apply Western White Male Cisgendered thinking to this problem.

    Specifically Anglo-Saxon. Each negative negates the one preceding, as logic demands, and double negatives are, pardon the expression, a “no-no”.

    French, Russian, and other languages pile them on willy-nilly. They see no contradiction.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  34. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It probably is a hypermasculinity thing, as you allude to. No clue how you’d prove it, plus it gives you three variables, race, sex, and orientation, so it’s tricky to analyze. (You now have 4 interaction terms instead of just 1.)

    Your hypothesis is that gay black men are disproportionately successful in corporate jobs relative to straight black men, is how I’m seeing it?

  35. @Steve Sailer

    But what fraction of Oreo-type blacks males who do well in the corporate world are gay?

    And do they eat the cream creme first, or bite right in?

    • LOL: Alec Leamas
    • Replies: @bored identity
  36. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Oreo type? I guess when you break bad you go really bad. You’re taking this whole, ‘white supremacist’ lable too seriously.

    • Troll: dvorak
  37. Anonymous[485] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    “Gay” is an identity that isn’t embraced by all MSM, nor are all gay men sexually active.

    This is a good question. Homosexuality is a heterogeneous phenomenon. More masculine types are often bisexuals. They really like traditional heterosexual marriages. And they often can be satisfied, with only masturbatory homosexual fantasies. Many others are pederasts, that like “virgin” boys. So, I think, for example, that the “Sailer Rule” about professions that have more gays because AIDS incidents, doesn’t apply to all homosexual spectrum. For example, a guy like Dennis Hastert would rarely die of AIDS, because he liked to have sex with teenage boys.

    • Replies: @üeljang
  38. Marty says:
    @SFG

    Meh, Richard Pryor explained it all in his act in 1976. He said, “white people walk like this” (mimics fast, stiff). “Black people walk like this.” (slow, rhythmic). Gay men and black women are willing to move quickly in the office.

  39. @The Alarmist

    Much closer to the Digital tho, so there’s that.

  40. @M_Young

    Black homosexuals are the only ones left who are still, you know, gay. Anderson Cooper looks to be transitioning to some sort of lesbian Stasi officer.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Lot
  41. When I was at GE we were getting a good chunk of our diversity out of places like Tuskegee, and they were competent engineers. Nothing Oreo about those women, I can tell you that. One of them took a liking to me and became a good friend.

  42. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous

    “Gays network. They have gay mafias in white collar organizations through which they promote each other. Also, gays sleep their way to the top, which straight men generally cannot do because women at the top of organizations are either lesbians or straight women who look down on lower ranking males.”

    This. Gays network like crazy all the while sleeping with each other. In contrast, straight males are losers because they tend to promote women they sleep with but these will promote women when they reach seniority. So gays and women help each other out, and straight men are going the way of the dodo because they tend to be individualistic.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    , @SFG
  43. @Reg Cæsar

    Now available in Prezidential Flavored Flave :

  44. Tim says:
    @Alec Leamas

    “My observation squares with yours in that you’ll frequently see black women, and the black men you see are at least slight and somewhat effeminate (don’t know that they’re necessarily gay).”

    I’ve always gone with the belief that if you think a man is gay, then he is TOTALLY GAY. Because most men spend 99% of their time making sure NO ONE thinks they are gay.

    So if a man is not spending 99% of his time making sure NOT ONE thinks they are gay, then, obviously, he is gay.

  45. No matter what color you are, if your’re gay, you’ll probably find it easier, more enjoyable, and more welcoming in the corporate world than you would in the blue collar world, for a whole variety of reasons. The people most likely to be conspicuously tolerant and determined not to notice racial differences are also concentrated there, as are the behavioral codes enforcing the same. A gay Black male professional, as a rule, would be treated with almost clinical and abstract politeness in any office setting and hence “not noticed.” A flamboyant gay Black construction worker, on the other hand, would be noticed by everybody.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  46. Clyde says:
    @Zippy

    Hence, intersectionality.

    Intersectionality means you can score more Pokemon points. Meaning that on college campuses (workplaces too! these days) you will not be the low man (^or *woman* or what bizarre might have you) on the Tiki Totem pole.

  47. SFG says:
    @notanon

    Wasn’t that one of the commenters?

    • Replies: @notanon
  48. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    “successful/important gays…”

    LOL

  49. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A lot of Oreo black males in my high school were simply geeky types, smarter and tracked with the smart whites and Jews; talented with a musical instrument; or some atypical niche interest. My gaydar is not super developed, but they didn’t seem gay to me.

    Back in tracking days smarter or more well behaved black guys could sort of fork off from black culture during the day since there was a physical firewall in place most of the day. They had to deal with lunch hour, PE, and the bus ride to and from school however, where the blackety blacks were. But these guys presumably had parents that were more Oreo also, so home life would not be as … black.

    Slightly off topic, but do you get the impression that, like autistics, there are more gays today than a few decades ago? Were they just in the closet (and somehow avoided the lispy stereotype)? And did trans and queer type stuff even exist to any extent back then? What the heck happened?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @nebulafox
    , @John Pepple
  50. Lagertha says:

    In most cases, even prominent designers, only hired the cheapest labor which almost always, resulted in costly mistakes (rip-outs). I never met a carpenter/installer/plumber/HVAC installer/roofer/dry-waller who ever said: I am cheap for you to hire, and, I do good work. As an interior designer ( I have not worked in decades – I raised my children) I can tell you that this is still true: hire the cheapest.

  51. @Steve Sailer

    Pwrhaps there’s some genetic link between homosexuality and intelligence/creativity? Or I guess g in general.

    On another note, wasn’t there some big hullabaloo a few months back about white gay guys being racist against black gay guys, since the former would explicitly state they weren’t sexually interested in the latter? Never heard much about it since, perhaps since men aren’t as prone to infighting as women.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  52. how did steve know they were gay?

    …thus falsifying the Theory of Intersectionality.

    In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest…fits [sic] the data a lot better than the Theory of Intersectionality, but that’s why nobody ever articulates it: it’s crimethink.

    no steve. BOTH theories are false and retarded.

    i’d explain in detail but my comments are never approved by mossad./

  53. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:

    I can be a little slow on the uptake, and I often do not understand some of Steve’s stuff. These are two that have stumped me. Can someone explain?

    (1) This is an oldie. Steve reposted a meme about the Houston flood where the heads of the rescuing man and the being-rescued woman are switched. I assume the meme-maker’s point was to satirize the current popular media trope of strong, superhero women (when in fact they are pretty weak).

    What I didn’t understand was John Podhoretz’s reaction: “In case you were wondering whether Steve Sailer was a loathsome, reprllent racist filth, wonder no longer.

    Is he saying that the meme is racist, and thus the reposting thereof is racist? Presumably, the woman is a PoC and the guy is white? But I don’t see how switching the heads is racist. I could sort of see a claim of misogyny, but not racism. I was just puzzled by Podhoretz’s tweet. Steve, on the other hand seems to have been infuriated by it. It really seemed to have gotten under his skin. What am I missing?

    (2) More recently, today Steve tweeted a Pew ranking of the illegal population in twenty cities over time, noting that the delta is not so great. Steve responded with, “How do you know your claims of Nothing To Worry About aren’t due to your failure to figure out what is actually going on with illegals?

    What is Steve getting at here? That Pew’s figures are probably innacurate? That Pew is not surveying other cities and regions where illegals are now flocking to? That demographic momentum is the problem, not current population? What?

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @Pericles
    , @SFG
    , @Lot
  54. @al-Gharaniq

    This is still very much a thing among the gay SJW set, complaining about young, tall muscular white guys with beards (aka the beauty ideal for gay men in 2019) who have a “no fats, no fems, no rice, no spice, no chocolate” attitude towards sex and that makes them racist and bigoted. Of course the complaints always come from fat, ugly, or effimenate gay men who can’t get those guys to sleep with them. Any non-white gay man with a six pack can easily get any sex they want so it’s not really a racial thing, that’s just something they throw in there to lend it more gravitas (wokepoints). It’s always funny when I read articles like that because the obvious question being raised is “should they be shamed/forced into sleeping with you?”. It’s kind of rape-y especially for 2019 #metoo standards.

    • Replies: @Charon
  55. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    White male identity-based employee groups are called the old boys network and are now literally illegal.

  56. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It’s not just more autistics and more gays. In my son’s high school there are more depression cases, psych cases, kids with various personality dysfunctions, and plain old cry babies than there were in the entire USA when I was young. I truly wonder if mouse utopia dysgenics is in progress.

  57. BenKenobi says:

    What are the stars?” said O’Brien indifferently. “They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and stars go round the Earth.

    For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the Earth goes round the sun and the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do yo suppose mathematicians are beyond that? Have you forgotten doublethink?”

    Races, sexes, and sexualities can be oppressed or oppressive, according as we need them. Do you suppose our Wokissars are beyond that? Have you forgotten doublethink?

  58. I think the counter-argument somehow involves the white males special desire to keep the black man down because we are so fearful of his sexual superiority. At least that was Norman Mailer’s idea and one I hear these days frequently from, well, black people. When Mailer sent his essay outlining the idea (The White Negro) to Faulker, Faulkner ridiculed him for it, insulted Mailer’s own manhood, and suggested he see a psychiatrist.

  59. Let’s do some racial stereotyping of our own about authors named Petsko and Bodenhausen.

    Galen Bodenhausen.

    (He’s not even the only Galen Bodenhausen in the United States. But probably the only Galen Von Bodenhausen.)

    However, it’s Petsko who’s afflicted with gayface:

  60. @Anon

    In the first one, Podhoretz was heroically standing up for his fellow tribesman and serial sexual assaulter Harvey Weinstein after Steve so expertly flayed his fat ass. Basically, Pod was calling Steve (what else?) a racist, but what he really meant was anti-semite, but in typical YNW fashion he used a person of color to make his attack seem less self-interested and more noble.

  61. @M_Young

    “The CDC doesn’t even call ‘gay’ black and Latino men ‘gay’, they call them ‘men having sex with men’.”

    In many Latino cultures they don’t consider the pitcher gay, only the catcher.

  62. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    A tweet from 2017?

    Steve, on the other hand seems to have been infuriated by it. It really seemed to have gotten under his skin. What am I missing?

    Maybe you just can’t read the mood.

    • Replies: @Anon
  63. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: LA cops are now getting typhoid. Are you sure you want to continue to stay in LA, Steve? Between disease, liberals, taxes, the Big One, and general societal collapse, LA is becoming a disaster area. Frankly, if it were me, I’d sell the house, get what I could for it, and get out of town.

    A lot of Baby Boomers are planning to sell that million dollar house and retire, but the Millennials are too poor to pay those prices. The housing market is only just starting to collapse, and it’s going to get hammered big time. Those older Baby Boomers were lucky to get out in time. It’s the younger half of the Baby Boomers who are going to lose a lot of their equity, which is what they were hoping to be their retirement money.

    And just wait until LA gets cholera. Cholera can kill you in just a few hours after you start feeling sick.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  64. gcochran says:
    @BB753

    Stonecutters!

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  65. @Anonymous

    Absolutely. In Sydney the “pink mafia” has noticeable power & influence….

  66. üeljang says:
    @Anonymous

    When it comes to transmission through sexual intercourse, HIV and similar retroviruses are much more likely (it is a difference of several orders of magnitude) to be spread from the insertive to the receptive partner than the reverse. Sexually passive/receptive gay men are most likely to be infected, followed by females who have sex with an infected male.

    Obviously, this means that it is good for one’s health to avoid getting f*cked by a man who seems like he previously may have been f*cked by another man. Promiscuous bisexual men who enjoy both passive and active sexual roles (especially in that temporal order: i.e. tending to take the passive role in homosexual intercourse in his youth, and then tending to assume the active role later in life) are the most dangerous from a public health POV.

  67. ” He also has a weak, effeminate voice and lispy speech pattern. Then again, so did Mike Tyson.”
    That’s a bit unfair to Tyson isn’t it? He’s no baritone but neither is he a soprano.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  68. @gcochran

    Who controls the British pound, Who keeps the metric system down, We do! We do! Who leaves Atlantis off the maps, Who keeps the Martians under wraps, We do! We do!

  69. @Intelligent Dasein

    A flamboyant gay Black construction worker, on the other hand, would be noticed by everybody.

    What about a flamboyant gay Black motorcycle cop?

    • Replies: @Charon
  70. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    Curiously, ostensibly ‘butch and macho’ gangbanger thug type blacks appear to have no difficulty whatsoever in adopting homosexual behavior whilst in the confines of the US prison system. In fact, they appear to take to it like the proverbial ducks to water – and an instant Damscene type change comes over them, despite the previous well vocalized hatred and contempt of homosexuals.

    A significant factor in this paradox is that amongst blacks in the American prison system little if no opprobrium attaches to the active partner in acts of buggery – they are dignified by the masculine epithets of ‘riders’ and ‘jockers’, whilst the passive partner is described in terms of the most execrable contempt -‘punks’ and ‘bitches’.

    What is not said is that in the black dominated US prison system a distinct racial aspect colors the whole gay dynamic.

  71. @animalogic

    Super jocks with high voices are a thing: Mike Tyson, Jack Nicklaus, Walter Payton, etc.

  72. Charon says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    I’ve noticed also that effeminate gay males are angry and vengeful at and about masculine gay men. Some analogy can probably be drawn with Jungle Asians and Fancy Asians, not to mention dark negroes vs light (mixed) ones.

  73. Charon says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Depends, is this SF or not?

  74. Still waiting for “Pokemon points” to be too hackneyed for use on iSteve. Street hustler gay is often scarier than Mike Tyson btw. Binary non-binary is passe. Embrace non binary non binary. What I’m really curious about though is just what iSteve has to post in order to be kicked off the internet.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  75. Charon says:
    @Tim

    So if a man is not spending 99% of his time making sure NOT ONE thinks they are gay, then, obviously, he is gay.

    Consider men like Colin Farrell, Channing Tatum, and Daniel Tosh. They are all quite straight and clearly don’t give a flying F if people think they’re gay.

    Significantly, the only people who think those men are gay are putatively “straight” guys like the ones you describe–at length.

    Who are terrified someone will think they are gay. Or should I say “suspect”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  76. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    > Also on that note, there are far more senior managers who are women than gay men, so what’s stopping you from sleeping your way to the top?

    While it can frequently be hard to tell when people are lying, that comeback, for me, is sufficient demonstration that you must indeed actually be gay.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  77. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    Maybe you just can’t read the mood.

    I can’t. And I couldn’t at the time either (I was following Steve back then). I live overseas and don’t watch U.S. cable TV, so my diet of U.S. culture is 100 percent online.

    And if it’s an antisemitic issue, I kind of still don’t get it. Why would suggesting that, uh, Jews would make a silly girl-power movie, distorting reality, be considered antisemitic by Podhoretz, and why would Steve get so irate about someone drawing such a Podhoretz conclusion.

    Podhoretz did this on Twitter, a public forum, so presumably I shouldn’t need a Ph.D. in semiotics to be able to understand it. I imagine many other people just gave it a huh? also.

    Unite the Right rally a month before the tweet but also a month after the New Yorker Weinstein article? But I still don’t get it.

    I guess to the cool kids it would be uncool to just explain it to me in a non-ironic, secret dedoder ring style.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Desiderius
  78. Altai says:

    OT: Has Steve heard that the new Call of Duty game has a mission where we play as a 7 year old Syrian girl killing the Russian soldiers who decide to stop in their street and kill civilians, including her parents, en masse including hand-held nerve agents? The mission is a flashback as she and her brother are grown up ‘good’ rebels fighting for Israel, shared American interests. The white helmets also make an appearance. The natural progression of Bana al-Abed in the #MeToo era, now she isn’t a victim, she kills Russian bots soldiers.

    I find it amazing after Iraq that this stuff works on people.

    https://charlieintel.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-campaign-missions-walkthrough-overview/54423/

    The scene starts off with a big explosion in a country in the Middle East. After the explosion occurs, we are taken into the perspective of a female child who is stuck under all of the rubble caused by the explosion. The explosion was a drone strike (by I believe Russia). She is panicking and yelling for help. Another girl is stuck next to her but unresponsive. She tries to push around the fallen rocks and cement slabs off of her, but she is too small. We then hear someone come from above them and remove the rubble to see the girl stuck in there. Frantically, many more people come to remove the remaining rubble (even using a saw at one point). Once it’s removed, they pull the girl out, and she goes to her father’s hand, who starts asking where is her brother. The other girl with her in the rubble does not appear to survive. Now, another airstrike drops on the location.

    The father picks up the girl and they both start running to find where her brother is. The sister says the brother stayed at home to study, so he wasn’t with her. They have to get back home to find the brother, but during the run back, Russian soldiers come in on vehicles, jump out of the vehicles, and just start shooting everyone — you can hear women, children screaming not to be shot; men and women yelling in pain. The father puts the kid down and tells her to follow behind him. As they start running and getting closer to their house, the Russian soldiers throw some sort of nerve/lethal gas. They bust inside their house, shut the door, and find the brother.

    The father pleads with him not to shoot because there are children in the house. The father then lunges towards the attacker to take the weapon away and stab him. The little boy tries to help the father take down the attacker, but the attacker throws the boy into the door, knocking him out. The Russian soldier is a lot stronger and shoots the father numerous times — in front of the daughter.

    The daughter stabs this attacker, alongside the brother trying to choke him out. As the man is brought down, the daughter finally gets a hold of the AK of the attacker and shoots him numerous times. The brother and sister converse about what they need to do, and the girl takes off the attacker’s gas mask to use for herself.

    Now, the two kids walk over to their father — with tears shown on the screen. The father is on his last breathe, telling the kids they must do anything they have to in order to survive. He then dies.

    The two kids decide to leave the house, both wearing gas masks.

    She pulls out her phone and calls her brother’s phone, which leads the two Russian soldier to investigate that ringing. The girl runs over and grabs the weapon, and starts to make her way into a position to shoot the Russian solider. She pulls up the gun, shaking a lot, and points it at the head of the attacker. We hear a *bang* and the screen goes black.

    That’s all they were willing to show us of that flashback for our event.

  79. I just want to say I think for the first time I understand what “intersectionality” might mean. Thanks Steve!

    Until now I was happy to accept that it was just mumbo-jumbo. Checking Wikipedia on the topic is just alarmingly baffling. It’s like one of those things that everyone claims to understand but nobody does.

    It doesn’t help that the term is so beautifully generic. It seems intended to draw a blank. Or to make you think it has something to do with optimizing traffic lights and traffic flows.

    Rationality = the practice of applying reason.
    Partiality = the act of being partial to someone.
    Bestiality = doing it with animals.
    Intersectionality = …? intersecting things???

    But now I know:

    Intersectionality = the more minorities you are part of, the more specially oppressed you are.

    That might seem obvious, but that’s it. And you can tell a lot of stories at the intersections of these identities.

    Intersectionality can even be expressed mathematically: let’s say if you’re black you suffer a 10% loss. As a woman you suffer a 10% loss. What’s the total loss if you are a black woman? If it’s anything more than 10%, and it usually is, then you are specially oppressed.

    Now if these oppressions cancel out, or if indeed their combination produces the opposite of oppression, well! Professor Sailer has some advanced mathematics to show.

  80. Anon 123 says:

    Steve Sailer: a large fraction of the black and Mexican men I met in the corporate yuppie world were gay.

    Isn’t this what they call selection bias? Most of the people I notice at work are similar to me but that is just because we share similar preferences to begin with and so I am biased to notice them.

    Why not conduct a survey or do some basic research of black and Hispanic males in Fortune 500 companies and see if the ratio that are homosexual is statistically significantly different than that of white males?

  81. notanon says:
    @SFG

    ah could be – either way isteve should popularize it

  82. Ed says:
    @anon

    There’s a demand for gays, depression, head cases etc. so more people are claiming to be these things. Even autism is suspect as the diagnosed cases of it in France are a fraction of what they are in the USA.

  83. OT – Smollett case still simmering:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/05/cpd-file-prosecutor-predicted-smollett.html

    “Perhaps the most significant revelation in the hundreds of pages of lightly-redacted documents is a detective’s report in which a Cook County prosecutor is said to have told officers to stop investigating the case and then predicted how the case would be resolved—weeks before it happened.”

  84. BB753 says:
    @Tim

    Being busy 99% of the time making sure no one thinks you’re gay sounds exhausting and, well, gay.

  85. SFG says:
    @BB753

    That’s a modern thing. Men’s clubs used to exist to promote straight-male solidarity–in retrospect, for just this reason. Which is why they were one of the first things to go.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  86. Clyde says:
    @Desiderius

    Anderson Cooper looks to be transitioning to some sort of lesbian Stasi officer.

    Best comment this week. This “indeterminate” lives in an old converted firehouse in Greenwich Village with his “whatever” spouse. The Muslims and Central American invaders think they can can run in here and takeover from these white degenerates. But they are degenerating very quickly themselves. Don’t be fooled by those Hindoo spelling bee winners. This is a race to the bottom with Asian LED screen addicted yoofs leading the way in brain damage.

  87. SFG says:
    @Anon

    I am not cool, but I spend a lot of time around wokies, so I’ll try.

    1. There’s a big personal beef, as you say, at least on Podhoretz’s end (he seems to be a lot angrier than Steve, who seems amused by the whole thing). The idea is, that by putting a Latina head on the rescuer, you are mocking the idea that a woman and a woman of color could rescue a man, and hence being racist and sexist.

    You can laugh but everyone doing anything that deals with the public endlessly agonizes over the race and sex of depicted personages (real or imaginary) to make sure no unwanted messages are being sent.

    (Nobody knew what Harvey was up to at that point in the general public, though I suppose since Steve was following Hollywood he might–there were jokes about it and so on.)

    2. While I assume Steve can speak for himself, my impression was that a lot of illegal immigrants just aren’t being counted. It wouldn’t surprise me if the targets of immigration don’t change much year to year.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  88. SFG says:
    @Anon

    Suggesting anything unflattering about a group is considered anti-that group in the USA. Goes double for Jews.

    I will say, online is a lot more aggrieved than real life. Most people think the oppression olympics are obnoxious but are afraid to speak up. There was another Pew survey suggesting something like 65% of Americans are against PC *and* racism.

    Hopefully that explains it. The whole ironic decoder ring thing annoys me as well, I’m kind of slow on the uptake.

  89. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A negation negates the one preceding only in classical logic as built out from Aristoteles. That logic is flexible enough for simple situations or mathematical worlds and mathematical philosophies of some kinds, but in the real world, you need more.

    Already in so-called intuitionistic logic, which is a logic for mathematics with a specific meaning for the logic operators somewhat different from the classical ones, ¬¬X cannot be resolved to X.

    Anyway, it’s complex. More here: Double Negation at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

  90. @Charon

    If you’re a grown man who spends much time terrified you’ve got worse problems than sexual orientation.

  91. @SFG

    We’ve still got Rotary, Elks, VFW, et. al.

  92. @Anon

    Because Sailer is both smarter and wiser than JPod.

  93. BB753 says:
    @Desiderius

    And freemasonry, as Greg Cochran obliquely pointed out to!

  94. I have a feeling the black gentlemen in the Air BNB incident were gay.

  95. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Why the outrage, bro? Why the all-caps shouting?

    I think I speak for everyone here that we are all current in our reading of Puzo, M. (1969) The Godfather, Putnam’s, New York. Don’t you think we all know that the Sicilians formed the original Mafia in response to oppression, first by their Saracen occupiers in the distant past, then by their Italian occupiers in their homeland followed by being ground down in their adopted American homeland for being “different”?

    Why do you think Maria Puzo penned this tale, of a noble immigrant warlord, who brought misery upon himself and those he loved by taking a polite, principled stand against the trade in heroin? That not all Mafia men were venal, mercenary creeps, that at least some of them were, misunderstood?

    Or if not misunderstood, at least no different than the blue bloods looking down upon them? Why do you suppose The Godfather quotes Balzac with “behind every great fortune there is a crime”? Isn’t Puzo claiming that the snooty WASPs are no different than his people with regard to have gotten ahead, at least at the start, through dodgy means?

    And just because the Sicilians were or are oppressed doesn’t mean there isn’t such a thing as the Mafia, which was risebly claimed by some persons of Italian heritage seeking respectability? That is what Puzo is telling us, yes, the Sicilians were oppressed, yes, at least some of the Mafia bosses were noble in their savagery, but don’t try to suggest the Mafia doesn’t exist and that a Mafia boss didn’t indeed threaten a big band leader to get a popular singer of Sicilian heritage out of a contract or place a bloody horses head in the bed of a Hollywood studio executive to get that singer a role in a movie that established his fame?

    And by suggesting there is no gay mafia, are you suggesting that what gays did was not at one time illegal and could get them in jail and they had no reason to form secretive social networks to protect each other?

  96. @Tim

    Behold the Ontological Gaydar. Any being of which gayness can be predicated is necessarily gay.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  97. @Desiderius

    But those are all Masonic hothouses of generic do-gooderism verging upon SJWism.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  98. nebulafox says:
    @Anon

    As SFG said, a lot of the “autism” boom is HR lady culture and educational bureaucrats making pathologies out of what were perfectly normal male personalities in the pre service sector economy.

  99. I recall reading someplace that gays as a group are more affluent than the average of the population. If true, it would seem that being gay isn’t a significant barrier to anything in the U.S. and doesn’t deserve Pokemon points.

  100. @anon

    In my son’s high school there are more depression cases, psych cases, kids with various personality dysfunctions, and plain old cry babies than there were in the entire USA when I was young.

    Food allergies my man, food allergies.

    35 years ago when I was in grade school there were maybe one or two kids that had a mild peanut or strawberry allergy. They would receive their own special cafeteria lunch, or pack from home. There would be a couple lactose-intolerant kids as well.

    Now, it seems as though 80 or 90% of the kids have one or more significant food allergies, so the entire school lunch menu must be redesigned. They all seem to be lactose and gluten-intolerant as well. Gluten-intolerance didn’t even exist 35 years ago.

  101. @SFG

    2. While I assume Steve can speak for himself, my impression was that a lot of illegal immigrants just aren’t being counted. It wouldn’t surprise me if the targets of immigration don’t change much year to year.

    Ann Coulter covered this pretty thoroughly in Adios, America!. She related some metrics that indicated the number was as much as three times the official number at the time of her writing — 30 million instead of 10 million.

  102. @Tim

    If straight guys are spending 99% of their time making sure no one thinks they are gay, imagine how little effort a gay guy has to devote to his job to outdo a straight guy who’s giving it less than 1%!

  103. @nebulafox

    As SFG said, a lot of the “autism” boom is HR lady culture and educational bureaucrats making pathologies out of what were perfectly normal male personalities in the pre service sector economy.

    To your point, even engineers and scientists are now required to have fairly normal personalitiess, interests, and social lives to successfully have careers in corporations and academia.

    You no longer see the kind of wild-eyed, obsessive engineer who is brilliant his technical field and is tolerated despite his poor hygiene and prickly personality.

    I have to wonder if this weeding out of those types is another aspect of the dumbing down of America. As technology gets more complex and interdependent, I would think that we need those sorts of engineers to understand and progress those fields.

    I don’t think that progress can be made by the more ‘normal’ ones who put in their 40, then spend their weekends mowing the lawn and BBQing with their neighbors. I think you have these types all over our cellular companies, and that it contributes to the US lagging Huawei in 5G technology.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  104. Way OT, but this was stunning and fun:

    Who knew that Everyman was so fat and Mexican?

  105. Marty says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    When I was a young lawyer I pulled the wool over the eyes of a judge who was billed as the “first openly gay” judge in the city. I was representing a chinese fortune cookie manufacturer who spoke no English and had somehow gotten roped into a CBA with the Teamsters. They were suing for health/welfare contributions more than four years overdue. So I raised the state’s 4-year statute of limitations, and the guy bought it. There’s no statute of limitations under federal labor law.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  106. Semi-OT:

    Flabby Mexican defeats taller, clearly PED-enhanced negro for one of the alphabet soup heavyweight titles:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-joshua-exposed-in-loss-to-andy-ruiz-jr-blows-shot-at-superfight-vs-deontay-wilder-060321394.html

  107. Beckow says:
    @Anon

    …Baby Boomers are planning to sell that million dollar house and retire, but the Millennials are too poor to pay those prices.

    No problem, there are plenty of rich Asians and other stealing elites from around the world who will pay anything to get a foothold in the lands of plenty. Especially the good parts.

    It has been working well for the Boomers: effectively selling their kids to penury or not having kids, living it up, locking up the upper parts of multiple pyramid schemes. Then start a post-modern identity circus to amuse themselves in their old age. Boomers are about ‘self-realization‘ – this is what it looks like: easy cash and talk a lot about your ideals. Then you sell out your kids.

  108. Lugash says:

    OT: David B is getting mildly dragged on Twitter for his much younger wife.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  109. Jussie Smollet’s shit talkin’ (when transcribed) still pretty much mimics the diction style of any number of other shit talkin’ macho straight negroes.

  110. Steve, you’re not falsifying the theory of intersectionality, you’re interrogating it.

    • Agree: Lot
  111. El Dato says:

    OT: Get out of here Stalker!

    HBO’s “Chernobyl” dramatization fails on getting Sovietisms right.

    ‘Chernobyl’ is a blast of a TV series – but don’t call it ‘authentic’

    Now, my qualms aren’t with the factual inaccuracies, the creation of Emily Watson’s fictional female scientist in place of the thousands of women actually involved, or the squeezing of such a grand-scale, multi-faceted story into what is, for the most part, a disaster film with two leads.

    The most jarring scene is a Soviet minister bargaining with coal miners at gunpoint to persuade them to dig a tunnel under Chernobyl. Moscow mandarins did not negotiate with those 10 rungs below them – they sent down orders and didn’t need bullets to enforce them.

    These elements of Soviet life may seem like the background to the central human stories, but in fact they dictated how each scene shown in Chernobyl unfolded in real life. And although occasionally the show hits upon the right note, perhaps when it sticks closest to a verbatim recreation, it does not seem to realize it. Most of the time, those involved act wrong on the wrong motivations, talk about the wrong things, and say them in the wrong order with an alien cadence that is more than just a different language.

    Did I mention that you shouldn’t build RBMKs? They are impressive though:

  112. Dave says:

    In other words, you spend most of your waking hours working hard to make sure no one thinks you’re gay.
    Any guy who is that obsessed with trying hard not to be seen as gay is overcompensating, and thus, probably gay.

    Tim… you’re gay.

  113. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “And yes, it’s definitely true that gay black men seem more gay, and less black, for some reason.”

    What metrics are involved here? Because one could argue that is definitely true that gay Asian men seem more gay, and less Asian, for some reason…

    https://www.thedailyvox.co.za/redefining-masculinity-bts-way

    or even white men seem more gay, and less white, for some reason…

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201609/how-many-gay-men-are-there-fewer-you-might-think

    “In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest that because gay men tend to be less masculine…”

    Paging Jack Donovan…

    Of course, one has to define what “masculine” means these days. Is it the standards employed by the Alt Right, by the manosphere, by normies, or a mix?

    Then one has to consider cultural standards of masculinity…

    https://medium.com/@natalie_ng/asian-masculinity-vs-western-masculinity-by-shadowsweep-and-natalie-ng-85cdfd1b2457

    Perhaps Hypnotoad could enlighten us more about the gay leather scene and its depiction of the rugged masculinity of biker culture, which imbued the material with an allure that spoke to men interested in men.

    Furthermore, you, like Mr. Sailer, are trying to contort your own explanations to fit the research. Speaking of which, interesting how social science studies, in this case from the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, are cited by the Coalition of the Fringe Left and Right to help “prove” their theories, despite countless accounts that such studies are fraught with methodological and replication problems. Then, when counter research is found to dispute the study being presented, somehow that evidence to the contrary is flawed.

    Sailer’s Wonky Woky rule applies here–The super-annoying common denominator of “woke” writing assumes whatever point it is trying to make is already “settled science” just because some other wokesters believe it is true.

  114. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “And yes, it’s definitely true that gay black men seem more gay, and less black, for some reason.”

    What metrics are involved here? Because one could argue that is definitely true that gay Asian men seem more gay, and less Asian, for some reason…

    https://www.thedailyvox.co.za/redefining-masculinity-bts-way

    or even white men seem more gay, and less white, for some reason…

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201609/how-many-gay-men-are-there-fewer-you-might-think

    “In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest that because gay men tend to be less masculine…”

    Paging Jack Donovan…

    Of course, one has to define what “masculine” means these days. Is it the standards employed by the Alt Right, by the manosphere, by normies, or a mix?

    Then one has to consider cultural standards of masculinity…

    https://medium.com/@natalie_ng/asian-masculinity-vs-western-masculinity-by-shadowsweep-and-natalie-ng-85cdfd1b2457

    Perhaps Hypnotoad could enlighten us more about the gay leather scene and its depiction of the rugged masculinity of biker culture, which imbued the material with an allure that spoke to men interested in men.

    Furthermore, you, like Mr. Sailer, are trying to contort your own explanations to fit the research. Speaking of which, interesting how social science studies, in this case from the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, are cited by the Coalition of the Fringe Left and Right to help “prove” their theories, despite countless accounts that such studies are fraught with methodological and replication problems. Then, when counter research is found to dispute the study being presented, somehow that evidence to the contrary is flawed.

    Sailer’s Wonky Woky rule applies here–The super-annoying common denominator of “woke” writing assumes whatever point it is trying to make is already “settled science” just because some other wokesters believe it is true.

  115. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “And yes, it’s definitely true that gay black men seem more gay, and less black, for some reason.”

    What metrics are involved here? Because one could argue that is definitely true that gay Asian men seem more gay, and less Asian, for some reason…

    https://www.thedailyvox.co.za/redefining-masculinity-bts-way

    or even white men seem more gay, and less white, for some reason…

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201609/how-many-gay-men-are-there-fewer-you-might-think

    “In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest that because gay men tend to be less masculine…”

    Paging Jack Donovan…

    Of course, one has to define what “masculine” means these days. Is it the standards employed by the Alt Right, by the manosphere, by normies, or a mix?

    Then one has to consider cultural standards of masculinity…

    https://medium.com/@natalie_ng/asian-masculinity-vs-western-masculinity-by-shadowsweep-and-natalie-ng-85cdfd1b2457

    Perhaps you could enlighten us more about the gay leather scene and its depiction of the rugged masculinity of biker culture, which imbued the material with an allure that spoke to men interested in men.

    Furthermore, you, like Mr. Sailer, are trying to contort your own explanations to fit the research. Speaking of which, interesting how social science studies, in this case from the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, are cited by the Coalition of the Fringe Left and Right to help “prove” their theories, despite countless accounts that such studies are fraught with methodological and replication problems. Then, when counter research is found to dispute the study being presented, somehow that evidence to the contrary is flawed.

    Sailer’s Wonky Woky rule applies here–The super-annoying common denominator of “woke” writing assumes whatever point it is trying to make is already “settled science” just because some other wokesters believe it is true.

  116. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “And yes, it’s definitely true that gay black men seem more gay, and less black, for some reason.”

    What metrics are involved here? Because one could argue that is definitely true that gay Asian men seem more gay, and less Asian, for some reason…

    https://www.thedailyvox.co.za/redefining-masculinity-bts-way

    or even white men seem more gay, and less white, for some reason…

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201609/how-many-gay-men-are-there-fewer-you-might-think

    “In contrast, HBD and cultural realism theories suggest that because gay men tend to be less masculine…”

    Paging Jack Donovan…

    Of course, one has to define what “masculine” means these days. Is it the standards employed by the Alt Right, by the manosphere, by normies, or a mix?

    Then one has to consider cultural standards of masculinity…

    https://medium.com/@natalie_ng/asian-masculinity-vs-western-masculinity-by-shadowsweep-and-natalie-ng-85cdfd1b2457

    Perhaps you could enlighten us more about the gay leather scene and its depiction of the rugged masculinity of biker culture, which imbued the material with an allure that spoke to men interested in men.

    Furthermore, you, like Mr. Sailer, are trying to contort your own explanations to fit the research. Speaking of which, interesting how social science studies, in this case from the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, are cited by the Coalition of the Fringe Left and Right to help “prove” their theories, despite countless accounts that such studies are fraught with methodological and replication problems. Then, when counter research is found to dispute the study being presented, somehow that evidence to the contrary is flawed.

    Sailer’s Wonky Woky rule applies here–The super-annoying common denominator of “woke” writing assumes whatever point it is trying to make is already “settled science” just because some other wokesters believe it is true.

  117. @nebulafox

    Eh, not really true. The autism boom is more about helicopter parents with very few children (1-2….have you ever met a modern autistic kid from a large family?) being afraid to discipline their annoying children or set expectations of them. Helicopter Mom sees that her little angel is constantly making rude quips at other people and ignoring her instructions to put up his toys so he can study/do chores….therefore he’s autistic. Helicopter Mom sees that her son is lazy and defiant at school….don’t suspend him or kick him out, he’s autistic, don’t you see?

    A lot of “autism” stems from the fact that parents, and in particular mothers, aren’t as stern as they used to be. Or they can’t stand the thought of their child (who they’ve invested a ton of time/effort into) being average or a little below average, so they cope by saying he’s suddenly exceptional

    Note: modern autism is obviously totally different than the classic, semi-retarded Rainman-style autism.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  118. vinteuil says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Me & my friends (who shall remain nameless) used to have this saying: “saved by being gay” – meaning a black guy, born into the most dire circumstances, but, because he was gay, escaped from the hood, and made something of himself.

    There are so many great stories that will never be told because they don’t quite fit
    anybody’s narrative.

    • Replies: @Lot
  119. @Anon

    That’s an interesting question. I graduated from high school fifty years ago. There were 440 kids in my class, so that’s over 200 guys. I knew or knew of every one of those guys, and I can think of only one who might have been gay. As for autistics, I didn’t know any, but they may have been institutionalized.

  120. @Lugash

    Isn’t that kind of like mocking someone for having a successful business or for being in good shape?

    • Replies: @BB753
  121. guest says:

    Everytime I hear of a discipline like “social psychology,” I think about sandwiches. Or whatever else I’m going to eat next.

    Why bother writing in pseudo-scientific fashion if you’re going to say “erase race?” Did they pick those words because they rhyme? Is this supposed to be catchy? I don’t care.

    “Do categories cease to exist because some members of a category don’t manifestly fit the stereotypes of that category?” No. Why are you asking? Are you stupid? Why is a stupid person writing for a science journal?

  122. t says:

    • Replies: @Lot
  123. As all iSteve readers know, June is ‘Pride month,’ in which homosexuals deeply ashamed of their deviant sexual perversions pretend that they’re proud of it.

    This year it’s the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots, and they are expecting up to 6 million people in NYC to ‘celebrate’ this great achievement.

    That’s a lot of gays. One thing I’ve noticed in the decades they’ve been marching down 5th Avenue lined by cheering thongs, uh, throngs, is the number of gay blacks and Puerto Ricans. Seriously, half the Puerto Ricans in New York must be gay.

    And there are a lot, I mean a lot of gay black and mulatto women. I don’t know what Richard Spencer is talking about, gays worship the POCs, that’s how they all got AIDS in the 70s.

    Also, black gays are still black. I lived on Greenwich Street in the Village when I first moved to NY, and the black trannies would get in fist fights on the street every night. Every so often one of them would murder another one.

  124. Veracitor says:

    OT: Video of Border Patrol catching first large group of 116 AFRICAN illegal aliens entering USA from Mexico (emphasis added by Daily Mail):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7096559/116-migrants-AFRICA-caught-video-wading-Rio-Grande-U-S.html

    Yep, the sub-Saharans are arriving now. So much for the natural moat of the great oceans.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Steve Sailer
  125. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Top two relevant DDGo hits for “Stasi Woman”

    • LOL: vinteuil
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @JimB
  126. Lot says:
    @Veracitor

    Tijuana has lots of random Africans roaming around now. This wasn’t the case five years ago. 75% of them are young men, the rest women or middle aged men. No kids that I’ve seen.

    It is really easy to tell them apart from black American tourists by clothing, coloring, and BMI.

    I am curious on where they flew in from. I doubt there are any flights between Mexico and Africa. Canada, London, and Brazil are possible.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  127. Lot says:
    @Lot

    The woman on the top sees your leering at the one on the bottom and disapproves.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  128. Lot says:
    @vinteuil

    Hopefully none of them went home with middle aged white men they met at Los Angeles Democratic Party fundraisers.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  129. @Gallagher did nothing wrong.

    how did steve know they were gay?

    They go for tall, smart white guys. He always wore his wedding ring to work, with pictures of the family prominently displayed on the desk.

    Gallagher did nothing wrong

  130. @Lot

    I am curious on where they flew in from. I doubt there are any flights between Mexico and Africa. Canada, London, and Brazil are possible.

    Maybe they just walked over from San Ysidro, like I did in 1995. There were no border guards– the Mexicans knew we weren’t staying.

    Maybe there are now.

    • Replies: @Lot
  131. David says:
    @Steve Sailer

    In my experience, gay black guys are a rarity in the corporate world. Among the lesser, there is often a element of foppishness. But the good ones are straight, confident and honest. Not gay.

  132. Lot says:

    Sir Roger Scruton and Roger Kimball: non-stem higher education is “terminal,” beyond saving. Best response for the right is to starve it of funding.

    https://nypost.com/2019/05/31/pc-insanity-may-mean-the-end-of-american-universities/

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  133. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Mexico installed pedestrian border control in the San Diego crossing about 2 years ago. It isn’t terribly thorough, but no more “walk right in.” It takes 0-10 minutes of waiting and about 30 seconds of the guard looking at your passport. Some of the officers are hot young women and make a nice welcome.

    The line back to the USA is now usually under 5 minutes, compared to 2-3 hours during peak periods a few years ago, as a result of the new PedWest crossing that increased the pedestrian lanes by 150%.

    There’s a cafe just over on the Mexico side where US vets who were deported hang out. My understanding is this happens when a US permanent resident joins the military but is later deported for a serious crime.

  134. @The Wild Geese Howard

    He also has a weak, effeminate voice and lispy speech pattern. Then again, so did Mike Tyson.

    Then, I guess Mike Tyson is a homo too, but I’m not gonna tell him to his face.

  135. Lot says:
    @t

    Balko is a pro-BLM/anti-cop libertarian. But here at least he’s right. Mass shooters often do it for attention. Don’t encourage them. I read a couple articles the day it happened. That’ll be all for me.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  136. @anon

    I re-read your post and you mention that female managers look down on their subordinates, so is it really that women find it impossible to be attracted to a man who’s “beneath” them? Surely there must be exceptions.

  137. Lot says:
    @Anon

    2007 was still the housing bubble with plentiful construction jobs for illegals. There is a lot of evidence many went home as the jobs dried up 2008-2012. And Mexican wages have grown faster than US wages, reducing the incentive for the largest group of illegals.

    The new Central American wave of illegals is more spread out than the Mexican waves. My great-grandmother’s formerly 99% white hometown now has a bunch of illegal central americans, but no Mexicans.

    Note that Pew’s estimate shows fewer illegals in NYC/LA/Chicago/Phoenix but more in Charlotte, which didn’t have a housing bubble/bust and is one of the smallest cities on the chart.

    Housing construction in the big California cities is now only about half of the bubble peak and is also suggestive of fewer opportunities here for illegals compared to 2007.

  138. @Anon

    I agree, but when will the real SHTF happen? Where should Steve go?

  139. HBD catnip:

    Unz.com neighbor Linh Dinh has some great anecdotes in his latest…Whiskey will especially like the first one:

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/american-echoes/

    RAMBO 5: Last Blood actually looks…pretty damn good?!?…because John Rambo is extremely concerned about border control by any means necessary:

    It’s amazing that, here in 2019, we could have a major motion picture where a white guy is chopping up vibrants with a machete.

    This also helps prove that Stallone >>>> Schwarzenegger, because this looks far better than the ultra-pozzed, grrl power packed Terminator 6 that is nearing release.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  140. Probably true with gays, but not with transgender folks. Black and hispanic transsexuals seem to be a lot more likely to be involved in petty crime and prostitution, and are more likely to have AIDs. In contrast, a relatively high percentage of white transsexuals and transvestites do well at school and work.

    The SJW left probably milk these stats to boost the intersectionality argument.

  141. JimB says:

    This plays out in the real world as well. For example, a large fraction of the black and Mexican men I met in the corporate yuppie world were gay. My explanation: among the problems besetting black and Mexican men in advancing in office jobs is an excess of machismo. For blacks, it’s more at the Nature level, for Mexicans more at Nurture level: jobs involving lifting heavy things are macho, while jobs involving typing are not.

    Close, but no cigar. Gays are the smartest demographic group, and that holds up even within different racial and ethnic groups. If ever you get lost in Nigeria, ask a gay guy for directions.

  142. JimB says:
    @Lot

    Is that Rosie O’Donnell?

  143. @Marty

    ” I was representing a chinese fortune cookie manufacturer who spoke no English”

    You help foreigners get away with scamming your own people but you want to denigrate gays? I’d rather be a faggot than a traitor.

  144. dfordoom says: • Website
    @jim jones

    Gays now have more Pokemon points than Muslims in the UK

    They have more Pokemon points than anybody else everywhere. Homosexuals are at the top of the victim group totem pole and have been for quite a while. They easily outrank blacks and Muslims. They dominate the Coalition of the Fringes. They’re richer, more media-savvy and much more ruthless.

    Right-wingers have been too obsessed with race to notice this development.

  145. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Lot

    Sir Roger Scruton and Roger Kimball: non-stem higher education is “terminal,” beyond saving. Best response for the right is to starve it of funding.

    A good idea. But impossible to do. Alumni are not going to stop funding this insanity. Any who considered doing that would be unpersoned. No mainstream “conservative” party is going to do it. The corporate sector is fully Woke – they’re going to continue enthusiastically funding this poison because they support it wholeheartedly.

    The people who can see the problem have zero power to do anything about it, apart from coming up with fantasy wish-fulfilment strategies.

    If you want to change things you don’t need sensible ideas. You need power.

  146. @Intelligent Dasein

    Lol. Sometimes you are so spectacularly wrong.

  147. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Arnie’s never been the same since that Nurse’s union kicked his ass.

    Stallone is like a fine wine. Rocky Balboa was great. Creed was great. This looks good.

  148. @Desiderius

    We’ve still got Rotary, Elks, VFW, et. al.

    Will we ever go long enough without an FW that the Vs all die out?

  149. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think you have these types all over our cellular companies, and that it contributes to the US lagging Huawei in 5G technology.

    Huh? China is way more conformist than America, as is Japan.

    Few companies were more conformist than IBM was, when we sat atop the world.

  150. @Lot

    Mass shooters often do it for attention. Don’t encourage them. I read a couple articles the day it happened. That’ll be all for me.

    We don’t need gun control, we need press control. Damn that First Amendment! If a shooting is more than one state away, no coverage until page seven, or beyond.

  151. @Lot

    The woman on the top sees your leering at the one on the bottom and disapproves.

    The woman at the top is the woman at the bottom, a few years on. They have almost exactly the same expression.

  152. SafeNow says:
    @anon

    Yes, there are many many more psych cases in H.S. than there used to be. But also: there is much more obesity. In my H.S. (long ago) being overweight was virtually non-existent.

  153. @miss marple

    In this case, he means Poke-a-man points.

  154. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Any being of which gayness can be predicated is necessarily gay.

    I think maybe that’s going a bit too far. But it’s certainly true that any being which is possibly necessarily gay is necessarily gay.

  155. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    Hopefully none of them went home with middle aged white men they met at Los Angeles Democratic Party fundraisers.

    Only in their dreams.

  156. @Reg Cæsar

    Nice catch; I think you’re right.

  157. Thea says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    No such “straight”/ gay dichotomy exists. There are orderly, decent people and then complete degenerates. No one decent wants to be around the profane creators of a nasty epidemic.

    Ordinary humans don’t categorize themselves on such basis. The concept of ‘straight’ is entirely an invention of sodomites.

  158. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    …do you know what it’s like to try to rise in the corporate world without having ANY interest in sports?

    Yes, I do. But I still follow the local teams enough to have a short water cooler conversation with my co-workers. All you gotta do is say something like, “How ’bout them Steelers?”, and the other person will take it away.

  159. Notice how this propagandist very forcefully grabs your head and turns it away from the Elephant Known as Class. So you can’t see it filling up your living room. Irruma . . .

    Middle-class blacks do better at everything.Because they are middle class. Upper class do even better. Because they are upper class.

    Same as whites.

    Get real with your nonsense “observations.”

  160. BB753 says:
    @Cagey Beast

    No, it’s mocking someone who’s very likely to become cuckolded. Never marry a woman over 10 years younger. But do marry a younger woman.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  161. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    ” Also on that note, there are far more senior managers who are women than gay men, so what’s stopping you from sleeping your way to the top?”

    Easy. For a woman, paying for sex is like paying for tapwater. She might engage in sex for fun and excitement, but unless she is an old biddy or after some very exotic adventure (e.g., a sangy pangy, teenagers), she won’t pay for it. That goes for office favours as well.

  162. @BB753

    “Never marry a woman over 10 years younger. But do marry a younger woman.”

    Depends what you look like. My wife is 13 years younger and so far no complaints. If you are high value as a male, you have more leeway.

  163. @Gallagher did nothing wrong.

    i’d explain in detail but my comments are never approved by mossad./

    Took almost an hour to recover from LOL at the outrageous aptness of your “buttgoy” innovation to now appreciate the ridiculous reality you frame here that this, the best site on the net for sharing ideas about how to defend ourselves against the #JEW$4WHITE.GENOCIDE initiative, is hosted by a Jew so we knowingly take maybe even mortal risk by participating here.

    But some of us have been so severely damaged by Jew conduct that fear of being targeted by mossad or any other Jew no longer weighs heavily enough to stifle – “nothing left to lose”.

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