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Rahul Gandhi, son of former Italian stewardess Sonia Gandhi, has succeeded his mother as head of the Congress Party, currently India’s opposition party. At one point his mom was going to be India’s prime minister until it was pointed out she didn’t really speak any indigenous Indian languages well.

I don’t know if Rahul always makes intensely Italian-looking hand gestures like in this picture.

The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty has been trending toward the northwest for some time. Rahul’s great-grandfather Prime Minister Nehru was from Kashmir in the far north of India. His grandmother Indira Gandhi fortuitously married a Parsi (historically from Persia) with the name Gandhi, the same as her father’s famous mentor (who was murdered in 1948). His father Rajiv became a pilot and married an Italian stewardess Sonia. After the death of his brother Sanjay in a 1980 plane crash that is considered an accident (Sanjay had survived three assassination attempts), Rajiv went into politics and succeeded his mother upon her murder in 1985. He in turn was murdered in 1991.

Hopefully, the scion will enjoy a less tragic career.

Rahul is currently emphasizing that he is a Hindu brahmin, in response to Prime Minister Modi’s Hindu nationalist majoritarianism. His uncle Sanjay had wanted his children raised in their paternal grandfather’s Zoroastrianism.

As for the next generation of Gandhis, Rahul is in his mid-40s and does not appear to be married. According to the gossip pages, he has been seen at tennis matches with a Venezuelan lady who lives in Spain. Rahul’s name has also been associated with Princess Noal Zaher, granddaughter of the last king of Afghanistan. But she married a descendant of the last king of Egypt and this year they had twins.

Due to the extreme number of assassinations in his family, Rahul was largely raised in secret, so it’s possible he himself has a secret family somewhere. The Indian press reports that he takes lengthy secret vacations abroad. I couldn’t blame him if he has a secret family stashed in some place non-homicidal like Switzerland.

It’s not unusual for Asian political and religious dynasties to become more European looking over the generations.

Above for example, are the next two generations of the Aga Khan dynasty of Ismaili leaders, Prince Rahim (the step-grandson of actress Rita Hayworth) and Princess Salwa, the former Kendra Spears of Seattle, with young Princes Irfan and Sinan. They look like many a happy young family in Park Slope or Manhattan Beach.

The Ismailis are a neoplatonic Shia sect largely found in Pakistan, where they are known to be thrifty and enterprising. They like their Imam, however, to live the high life in Geneva and London.

 
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  1. Here for example, are the next generation of the Aga Khan dynasty of Ismaili leaders, Prince Rahim and Princess Salwa, the former Kendra Spears of Seattle, with young Princes Irfan and Sinan.

    They look like most any happy young family in Park Slope or Manhattan Beach.

    I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women.

    Here are pictures of Rahim’s grandfather and father.

  2. Are you sure Sanjay was murdered? IIRC he died in a plane crash.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. I'll change it to "plane crash considered an accident."

    I'm reminded of dictator Zia's death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That's considered an accident as well.

  3. The Indian state of Kashmir has had a single family, the Abdullahs, dominate its local politics. Here’s a picture of Omar Abdullah, the third generation in his family to serve as Chief Minister of his state.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women."

    Great work, if you can get it.
    , @rec1man
    Omar Abdullah's father is a white UK woman

    Just like Rahul, Omar is half-white
  4. This is somewhat similar to politics in the USA, the liberal Indians will ally with the Muslims and try to diminish the Hindus as the majority demographic in the country. I can sympathize with the Hindu nationalists who clearly oppose such things.

    • Replies: @Nico
    Except in India the out- and in-groups are cleanly reversed compared to the U.S.. Indian Christians typically vote Congress in India yet Indian-American Christians are far more likely to vote GOP than are Indian-American Hindus. Sonia Gandhi of course is Catholic, though their children were nominally raised in their father's Hindu Brahminism. The Congress Party still represents the more Westernized elements of the old Colonial-era go-between elites. As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party, though if they think Western-style collaboration with Muslims to hold their position solid is going to fly well in the long run they really need to get their heads out of their arses (not any worse than do most Western leaders, of course).
  5. @RickinJax
    Are you sure Sanjay was murdered? IIRC he died in a plane crash.

    Thanks. I’ll change it to “plane crash considered an accident.”

    I’m reminded of dictator Zia’s death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That’s considered an accident as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm reminded of the similarly accidental airplane death of UN Secretary General Dag Hammerskjold, not long after he read the Riot Act to the Israelis with respect to their recurrent slaughterfests of the indigenous population there in Palestine. You could almost write a book about these airplane accidents.
    , @Nico
    The protagonist of the film Hot Fuzz wisely advises his padouan on the police force to attribute the write up the nasty car wreck in which two decapitated bodies are found as a "collision," never an "accident," which would imply no one is at fault.
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    When I was a young man living in Panama the head the nation, Omar Torrijos, died in a mysterious plane crash that was deemed to be an accident.

    I don't know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.
    , @sb
    I was in India when Sanjay died.
    No one thought it anything other than an accident- and we are talking Indians here who thrive on conspiracy theories.
    Sanjay flew aerobatic planes for a hobby -pushing the envelope and all that
  6. Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world’s non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world’s beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women’s sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek ‘western’ look – CNN.com
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to … A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold … is not the standard Asian …

    East Asian blepharoplasty – Wikipedia
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    A South Korean woman, before … of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can … East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common …

    • Replies: @JamesG
    Years ago I read that Caribbean mothers advised their children to "Put cream in the coffee."
    , @ia
    Such is the way of the world. When non-white men become rich enough the universal desire for white women is satisfied.
    , @Vinay
    “But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breedin”

    Your obsession with race blinds you to the fact that this is just the usual story of what desirable women do with their desirableness — it spans the spectrum but it’s generally to their advantage. The peasant girl marries the king...or a future prime minister...or a Kenyan noble and gives birth to a future President! Or a movie star becomes Princess of Monaco.

    Steve’s obsession with race also prevents him from telling the much simpler story of ruling classes marrying into the dominant civilization of their time — Mongols marrying Chinese or Persians, Russian nobility becoming more Frenchified, Arab rulers becoming Persianized etc.

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.
    , @AndrewR
    One should note that eyes without epicanthic folds are predominant not just in "the west" but among almost all non East Asian peoples. The people getting these surgeries want to look like the 80% of humanity without epicanthic folds.
    , @anonymous
    Western women try to be become more Asian looking to but we don't frame it that way. Asians have smaller noses. White women undergo plastic surgery to reduce nose size. That's just a nose job though and not thought of as looking more Asian.
    , @Twinkie
    You ought to read your own links:

    New York-based cosmetic surgeon Dr. Edward Kwak states that many patients who get the procedure done are "not trying to look white", but look like the many Asians who naturally have an eyelid fold.
     
    About 15% of Koreans, for example, have the so-called double eyelids naturally. Although Hollywood beauty standards have affected East Asian view of human beauty, preference for big eyes long predates this.

    I’m genetically 99.9% East Asian (the remaining 0.1% is common to American Indians, probably from before the split in Siberia), but came out several times more likely than “average” East Asian genetic testtakers to have light eyes and light hair. Indeed, my facial and body hair is reddish, and my mother had dark auburn hair. Some of my hapa children have red hair and green eyes.

    Some of “Western” features are present in even East Asia, without Western admixtures. Don’t fall for the simplistic and ignorant stereotype that all East Asians look the same. There is considerably more genotypical and, yes, phenotypical diversity in East Asia than commonly assumed. Note that this is compatible with the assumption there is less genetic diversity in East Asia than in Europe. You just have to be mindful that “less” is not the same as “none” or “very little.”
    , @bartok

    White women are the world’s beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding
     
    This is empirically not true. White women are the race and sex of American least likely to out-breed, despite their strong political support for immigration and miscegenation. In their view, out-breeding is a great example of political progress, but in each of their individual cases they happen to decide to marry white guys only.

    On the other side, white men are politically opposed to immigration and miscegenation but in real life, will unhesitatingly out-breed if they can find an attractive and fertile asian or hispanic woman to marry.
  7. When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than “deracinated” Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    • Replies: @bob sykes
    You need to be more precise about what you mean by the phrase "non-white." On phylogenetic trees, all of these people, including the Semites, are on the Caucasian branch, and the Indians mentioned, both Hindu and Parsi, are Indo-Europeans and speak Indo-European languages.
    , @ia
    They are flattered that their rulers are able to acquire prestige by siring children with white women. If you can imagine women from different tribes as more or less enemy territory it makes perfect sense. In India, and I would suspect Pakistan and most places in the world, beautiful women are seen as very valuable possessions that are guarded and never go out alone in public.

    I know it's hard for white men to contemplate having lived your lives entirely in the West but non-feminist cultures have very different attitudes towards women.
    , @1661er
    https://d3dupjkkwlat3o.cloudfront.net/730147601351/6796492/488xN?1452817953

    If the picture shows up, it's the son, (((daughter-in-law))), and one of the (((grandson))) of Chiang Kai-Shek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Fang-liang
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Faina_Chiang.jpg

    Among some 49ers circle, there were the battlecry: "If only there were pure-blood legitmate grandchildren, the Chiangs/49ers may maintain the martial law over the Taiwanese for another generation." But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    , @Daniel H
    >>one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.
    , @Billy Shears
    Who says they're willing?
  8. @PiltdownMan
    The Indian state of Kashmir has had a single family, the Abdullahs, dominate its local politics. Here's a picture of Omar Abdullah, the third generation in his family to serve as Chief Minister of his state.

    https://www.oneindia.com/img/2016/07/omarabdullah-31-1469984899.jpg

    “I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women.”

    Great work, if you can get it.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    ISTR that he would traditionally receive his own weight in gold from his "flock" at some anual ceremony.

    The Agha Khan was a big cheese in British flat racing back in the day, before the Emiratis took over.

    The Ismailis have a big mosque in the very upscale London museum district of South Kensington.

    , @NOTA
    Yeah, I’m curious how that got established. Maybe it’s just Puritanism I’ve absorbed through the culture, but it seems like this should piss off your quiet, prudent followers.
    , @Yak-15
    Great friends to have as well.
  9. advice to Rahul …take the cannoli.

  10. @neutral
    This is somewhat similar to politics in the USA, the liberal Indians will ally with the Muslims and try to diminish the Hindus as the majority demographic in the country. I can sympathize with the Hindu nationalists who clearly oppose such things.

    Except in India the out- and in-groups are cleanly reversed compared to the U.S.. Indian Christians typically vote Congress in India yet Indian-American Christians are far more likely to vote GOP than are Indian-American Hindus. Sonia Gandhi of course is Catholic, though their children were nominally raised in their father’s Hindu Brahminism. The Congress Party still represents the more Westernized elements of the old Colonial-era go-between elites. As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party, though if they think Western-style collaboration with Muslims to hold their position solid is going to fly well in the long run they really need to get their heads out of their arses (not any worse than do most Western leaders, of course).

    • Replies: @rec1man
    The congress is like the Democratic Party, get muslim votes in exchange for letting muslim Jihadis run loose

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check ; and Modi has a proven track record in this
    , @Numinous

    As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party
     
    And why would you prefer that? That'll guarantee a higher pull for Indian immigration into the US. More Hindu nationalism means more attachment to the homeland, more aversion to foreigners (Muslims as well as Westerners), and a disinclination to emigrate. Until not too long ago, there was an explicit taboo (especially among the higher castes) against leaving the sacred confines of the Indian subcontinent, which is why the oldest emigrants from India date to the mid-19th century.

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer "separateness" (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.
  11. Apparently, despite endless propaganda to the contrary, India is yet another third-world country “not sending their best” to America.

    Meanwhile, we used to get Italian immigrants, inter alia. Those were the days.

  12. I read somewhere (a few years ago) that Rahul’s sister was being positioned as the next dynast (Rahul is apparently a bit of a moron).

    • Replies: @rec1man
    She is an alcholic and married to a Christian ( Robert Vadra ) ;
    Vadra is accused of corruption ( several billion $ ) using his connections
    and also suspected of getting his relatives bumped off for dispute over family property
    ( most of Vadra family is still hindu and pro-bjp )

    It will be even more absurd for her to claim to be a brahmin
  13. Rahul looks possibly more Italian than Il Duce.

    • LOL: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Well, what about the gesture in this one?

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPWNwtDsrQo/hqdefault.jpg
  14. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. I'll change it to "plane crash considered an accident."

    I'm reminded of dictator Zia's death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That's considered an accident as well.

    I’m reminded of the similarly accidental airplane death of UN Secretary General Dag Hammerskjold, not long after he read the Riot Act to the Israelis with respect to their recurrent slaughterfests of the indigenous population there in Palestine. You could almost write a book about these airplane accidents.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    One of JFK's better speeches was his tribute to Dag Hammerskjold before the United Nations in September of 1961. Politicians just don't talk that way anymore - I know our host has a low regard for JFK, but that speech is still worth listening to in its entirety.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rusr3DjLkSU
  15. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. I'll change it to "plane crash considered an accident."

    I'm reminded of dictator Zia's death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That's considered an accident as well.

    The protagonist of the film Hot Fuzz wisely advises his padouan on the police force to attribute the write up the nasty car wreck in which two decapitated bodies are found as a “collision,” never an “accident,” which would imply no one is at fault.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    "Constable Butterman, official vocab guidelines state that we no longer refer to such incidents as 'accidents', they are now 'collisions.'" Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Also, it's "padawan."
  16. @Sunbeam
    "I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women."

    Great work, if you can get it.

    ISTR that he would traditionally receive his own weight in gold from his “flock” at some anual ceremony.

    The Agha Khan was a big cheese in British flat racing back in the day, before the Emiratis took over.

    The Ismailis have a big mosque in the very upscale London museum district of South Kensington.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    I’ve been to events at the Ismaili Centre in South Kensington. Lovely roof garden. Very nice people. No terror types - I think they are too busy making money.
  17. “Mussolini is a riddle to me. Many of his reforms attract me. He seems to have done much for the peasant class. I admit an iron hand is there. But as violence is the basis of Western society, Mussolini’s reforms deserve an impartial study. [Mussolini’s] care of the poor, his opposition to super-urbanization, his efforts to bring about coordination between capital and labor, seem to me to demand special attention … My own fundamental objection is that these reforms are compulsory. But it is the same in all democratic institutions. What strikes me is that behind Mussolini’s implacability is a desire to serve his people. Even behind his emphatic speeches there is a nucleus of sincerity and of passionate love for his people. It seems to me that the majority of the Italian people love the iron government of Mussolini.”

    — Mohandas Gandhi

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What year did Gandhi say that? Mussolini chose to ally with Hitler and changed his policies accordingly.
  18. @IHTG
    When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than "deracinated" Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    You need to be more precise about what you mean by the phrase “non-white.” On phylogenetic trees, all of these people, including the Semites, are on the Caucasian branch, and the Indians mentioned, both Hindu and Parsi, are Indo-Europeans and speak Indo-European languages.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Well, part white I would say due to the "Ancestral North Indian" component but all Indians also have the "Ancestral South Indian" component which is non-white so they are an ancient mixture of varying degrees.
  19. Extremely Italian-Looking Guy Leads India’s Opposition Party

    “Nice subcontinent ya got here. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.”

    And MAD magazine was saying a long time ago that the US government should have the Mafia handle loans to foreign countries. Some Third World dictator can’t pay back, he gets cement loafers.

  20. They like their Iman, however, to live the high life in Geneva and London.

    It’s Imam, not Iman.

  21. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    Years ago I read that Caribbean mothers advised their children to “Put cream in the coffee.”

    • Replies: @Ed
    It’s been standard practice and a cultural expectation for ambitious dark skinned Caribbean men to “raise their color” by marrying light skinned women. The Duvalier practiced this in Haiti.
  22. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    Such is the way of the world. When non-white men become rich enough the universal desire for white women is satisfied.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Sure, if you are one to prefer promiscuous whores, and you got the loot to buy them... sure, why not.
  23. @IHTG
    When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than "deracinated" Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    They are flattered that their rulers are able to acquire prestige by siring children with white women. If you can imagine women from different tribes as more or less enemy territory it makes perfect sense. In India, and I would suspect Pakistan and most places in the world, beautiful women are seen as very valuable possessions that are guarded and never go out alone in public.

    I know it’s hard for white men to contemplate having lived your lives entirely in the West but non-feminist cultures have very different attitudes towards women.

    • Agree: 27 year old
    • Replies: @Numinous

    In India, and I would suspect Pakistan and most places in the world, beautiful women are seen as very valuable possessions that are guarded and never go out alone in public.
     
    That's really only in the north, and in in particular the northwest (which includes Pakistan), where there was a history of kidnapping of women (for you know what) by invaders. In the far south, on the other hand, conditions were very different; hardly a feminist paradise by your standards, but with very different rules from those that prevailed on the Indo-Afghan border. There, certain classes of women used to go around topless until the 19th century (the same "fashion" was followed in tropical SE Asia.)
  24. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    “But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breedin”

    Your obsession with race blinds you to the fact that this is just the usual story of what desirable women do with their desirableness — it spans the spectrum but it’s generally to their advantage. The peasant girl marries the king…or a future prime minister…or a Kenyan noble and gives birth to a future President! Or a movie star becomes Princess of Monaco.

    Steve’s obsession with race also prevents him from telling the much simpler story of ruling classes marrying into the dominant civilization of their time — Mongols marrying Chinese or Persians, Russian nobility becoming more Frenchified, Arab rulers becoming Persianized etc.

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.

    • Replies: @DFH

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.
     
    Not true. Fair skin was preferred in East Asia a long time before significant Western influence. It's mentioned in the Diary of Lady Murasaki and the Tale of the Genji.
  25. His sister and his cousin Varun have spouses and children whose names are publicly known. They all live in India. He doesn’t have a secret family anywhere. He’s not interested in being married.

    I don’t think Sonia Gandhi ever aspired to be prime minister. Her husband entered politics only quite reluctantly and Sonia herself has occupied party positions and stayed out of public office for a dozen years after her husband died.

    The Nehru-Gandhi clan are notable for not being at all fecund. There are to date just 3 great-great grandchildren. Rahul’s sister is too old to have any more children. His cousin Varun has managed to sire one child in six years of marriage. Not much of a bench to keep a political dynasty going.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    We already have a search engine. It's called Google. We don't you you, nitwit.
  26. “It’s not unusual for Asian political and religious dynasties to become more European looking over the generations.”

    I noticed that the new Sulzberger publisher of the New York Times is only a quarter Jewish. The Meyer/Grahams of the Washington Post became gentilized over the generations as well.

  27. I think foreign princes partying it up in the West is a pretty common pattern. The last Shah of Iran was famously a big playboy in his younger days, and Saudi princes are pretty famous for enjoying the fruits of being young, handsome, exotic, and rich while picking up women in the US and Europe.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    There’s a word for that:

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-hou1.htm
  28. @Sunbeam
    "I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women."

    Great work, if you can get it.

    Yeah, I’m curious how that got established. Maybe it’s just Puritanism I’ve absorbed through the culture, but it seems like this should piss off your quiet, prudent followers.

  29. @PiltdownMan
    The Indian state of Kashmir has had a single family, the Abdullahs, dominate its local politics. Here's a picture of Omar Abdullah, the third generation in his family to serve as Chief Minister of his state.

    https://www.oneindia.com/img/2016/07/omarabdullah-31-1469984899.jpg

    Omar Abdullah’s father is a white UK woman

    Just like Rahul, Omar is half-white

  30. @NOTA
    I think foreign princes partying it up in the West is a pretty common pattern. The last Shah of Iran was famously a big playboy in his younger days, and Saudi princes are pretty famous for enjoying the fruits of being young, handsome, exotic, and rich while picking up women in the US and Europe.
  31. A former roommate of mine was an Ismaili from southwestern Saudi Arabia (Najran)

    He never believed my warnings about black people until he and a friend ended up stranded in a Chicago west side neighborhood at night. A worried bus driver saw them, stopped and told them to get on, driving them to the loop without charging them fare. Yusef later said that he had never been more afraid for his life.

  32. Rahul got publicly mocked for claiming to be a brahmin

    In the BJP, being half-white is not considered special ; The BJP main accusation
    against Rahul is that he is non-hindu ,
    being half-white does not form part of the political discourse

    Before Gandhi, Annie Besant, a 100% white english woman, was leader of the Congress Party,
    but she was a Theosophist non-Christian and vegetarian and hence socially accepted in India

    • Replies: @DFH

    Before Gandhi, Annie Besant, a 100% white english woman, was leader of the Congress Party,
     
    She was Irish, not English
  33. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    One should note that eyes without epicanthic folds are predominant not just in “the west” but among almost all non East Asian peoples. The people getting these surgeries want to look like the 80% of humanity without epicanthic folds.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    One should note that eyes without epicanthic folds are predominant not just in “the west” but among almost all non East Asian peoples. The people getting these surgeries want to look like the 80% of humanity without epicanthic folds.
     
    Good point on that 80% but do you think NE Asian women are trying make their eyelids look like an Indian's (Hindu) or like an African's? No, they are going for European woman looking eyes.
  34. @Sunbeam
    "I remember reading that the Ismailis, a Muslim sect that emphasizes simple living among its adherents, nevertheless sort of expect their leader, the Aga Khan, to live the worldly good life on their behalf. Accordingly, Prince Rahim is the the third or fourth generation Aga Khan to devote his life to swanning around the European watering holes of the rich. His father and grandfather were famous playboys in their time, owning racehorses and dating beautiful white, non-Muslim women."

    Great work, if you can get it.

    Great friends to have as well.

  35. @Vinay
    “But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breedin”

    Your obsession with race blinds you to the fact that this is just the usual story of what desirable women do with their desirableness — it spans the spectrum but it’s generally to their advantage. The peasant girl marries the king...or a future prime minister...or a Kenyan noble and gives birth to a future President! Or a movie star becomes Princess of Monaco.

    Steve’s obsession with race also prevents him from telling the much simpler story of ruling classes marrying into the dominant civilization of their time — Mongols marrying Chinese or Persians, Russian nobility becoming more Frenchified, Arab rulers becoming Persianized etc.

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.

    Not true. Fair skin was preferred in East Asia a long time before significant Western influence. It’s mentioned in the Diary of Lady Murasaki and the Tale of the Genji.

    • Agree: ia
    • Replies: @Vinay
    You misunderstand me. I’m not claiming that fair skin is not considered desirable, just that it’s a poor explanation for third world *elites* intermarrying with Westerners. For one thing, there doesn’t seem any particular affinity for the equally white Eastern Europeans.

    Henry Kissinger had a better grasp of the subject of attractiveness.

  36. @JamesG
    Years ago I read that Caribbean mothers advised their children to "Put cream in the coffee."

    It’s been standard practice and a cultural expectation for ambitious dark skinned Caribbean men to “raise their color” by marrying light skinned women. The Duvalier practiced this in Haiti.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Similar to what Steve wrote about the whitening of the Mexican elite.
  37. @rec1man
    Rahul got publicly mocked for claiming to be a brahmin

    In the BJP, being half-white is not considered special ; The BJP main accusation
    against Rahul is that he is non-hindu ,
    being half-white does not form part of the political discourse

    Before Gandhi, Annie Besant, a 100% white english woman, was leader of the Congress Party,
    but she was a Theosophist non-Christian and vegetarian and hence socially accepted in India

    Before Gandhi, Annie Besant, a 100% white english woman, was leader of the Congress Party,

    She was Irish, not English

    • Replies: @Anon
    She was Irish, not English

    And now, Ireland is ruled by some homindu.
  38. It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation, so it behooves ambitious young politicians to marry into these families to obtain instant brand recognition and access to fund raising.

    Probably one of the young Obamas will be mated with a Kennedy scion to produce photogenic, electable heirs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation,

    Chelsea is 37 years old and has never run for anything or held any appointive public office. Her father was in his 2d term as governor at age 37 and her mother had already done her best to ruin the Legal Services Corporation.

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office. His in-laws were consequential politicians in and around Boston, not anywhere else. His grandchildren have prospered when running for close-t0-safe Democratic seats in the Boston media market. Beyond that, one was on a municipal council in southern California and one was in the Maryland legislature for some years, and one is in the Connecticut legislature; that's it. Jimmy Carter promised in 1979 that if Ted Kennedy challenged him "I'll whip his ass", and he did. The 11 primaries Ted Kennedy won in 1980 are about as well as they've done in the years since 1964. Robert Kennedy did not have the delegates to carry the day in 1968 and would have lost had he not been gunned down, just as his brother lost in 1980.

    As for the Bushes, it's business first and politics second with them. Prescott Bush had ~14 grandchildren, now ages 46 to 72. Two have run for public office.
    , @MBlanc46
    I don’t see much photogenic in either the Kennedys or the Obamas.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Electable, sadly, maybe.

    But we must have very different conceptions of “photogenic.”
  39. @Ed
    It’s been standard practice and a cultural expectation for ambitious dark skinned Caribbean men to “raise their color” by marrying light skinned women. The Duvalier practiced this in Haiti.

    Similar to what Steve wrote about the whitening of the Mexican elite.

  40. @jimmyriddle
    I read somewhere (a few years ago) that Rahul's sister was being positioned as the next dynast (Rahul is apparently a bit of a moron).

    She is an alcholic and married to a Christian ( Robert Vadra ) ;
    Vadra is accused of corruption ( several billion $ ) using his connections
    and also suspected of getting his relatives bumped off for dispute over family property
    ( most of Vadra family is still hindu and pro-bjp )

    It will be even more absurd for her to claim to be a brahmin

  41. @bob sykes
    You need to be more precise about what you mean by the phrase "non-white." On phylogenetic trees, all of these people, including the Semites, are on the Caucasian branch, and the Indians mentioned, both Hindu and Parsi, are Indo-Europeans and speak Indo-European languages.

    Well, part white I would say due to the “Ancestral North Indian” component but all Indians also have the “Ancestral South Indian” component which is non-white so they are an ancient mixture of varying degrees.

  42. @Nico
    Except in India the out- and in-groups are cleanly reversed compared to the U.S.. Indian Christians typically vote Congress in India yet Indian-American Christians are far more likely to vote GOP than are Indian-American Hindus. Sonia Gandhi of course is Catholic, though their children were nominally raised in their father's Hindu Brahminism. The Congress Party still represents the more Westernized elements of the old Colonial-era go-between elites. As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party, though if they think Western-style collaboration with Muslims to hold their position solid is going to fly well in the long run they really need to get their heads out of their arses (not any worse than do most Western leaders, of course).

    The congress is like the Democratic Party, get muslim votes in exchange for letting muslim Jihadis run loose

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check ; and Modi has a proven track record in this

    • Replies: @Hail

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check
     
    India nearing 1,350m pop.
    82% Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh = 1,110m Hindus and kindred
    14% Muslim = 190m Muslims
    TFR: 2.2 / higher for Muslims

    Pakistan nearing 200m pop.
    2% Hindu = 4m Hindus
    97% Muslim = 194m Muslims
    TFR: 3.0

    Bangladesh nearing 170m pop.
    9% Hindu = 15m Hindus
    90% Muslim = 153m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Nepal nearing 30m pop.
    90% Hindu and Buddhist = 27m Hindus and kindred
    <5% Muslim = 1m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Sri Lanka at 22m pop.
    83% Buddhist and Hindu (conflating these two in case of Sri Lanka problematic) = 18m
    10% Muslim = 2m
    TFR: 2.0

    SOUTH ASIA
    1,174m : Hindus
    540m : Muslims
    (40m : Christians?)

    This is only a two-to-one advantage now, and declining due to Pakistan's still-high fertility.

    I say this as a well-wishing outsider who has never been to any of the countries above mentioned, but...surely there cannot be an India/Hindustan without a healthy Hindu supermajority. At least the Indian state itself still has that supermajority but the demographics are getting less favorable (See Hindu-to-Muslim Population Ratio in India, 1951-2011)...

    ________________________

    If you will forgive an analogy to Europe: This precarious Hindu majority situation is, perhaps, similar to Bismarck's predicament in trying to build a 'Germany' in the 19th century. Bismarck knew such a state, a 'Germany,' needed a large, healthy, vigorous Protestant majority to be politically viable. The ever-practical Bismarck deliberately excluded millions of Germans of the Catholic religion. This is why 'Austria' exists still today, and has been separate from 'Germany' (except 1938-1945). Bismarck never made any attempt to bring in Catholic Vienna to the new Germany, even though he could have.

    Bismarck was not a pan-German nationalist. He was a genius of statesmanship, and where a lesser political mind would have grabbed up the weakened and discredited "Austrian Empire's" Catholic core areas of German tongue and more, Bismarck reasoned that their Catholic political identity would hurt the cohesion of the new state. Not to mention the 'variety' of other peoples on 'Austrian' coattails at the time (including the very worst kind of religious minority to have in your state, in the grand review of history as I see it: the Muslim).

    Take in too many 'Austrians,' and the German Reich would decline from a healthy 75% Protestant supermajority to, depending on how many 'Austrians' and ethnic-nonGermans-on-Austrian-coattails (Czechs, for one) would be taken in, Germany might lose its Protestant majority, and thus become rudderless, with an unclear position in the European world, perhaps -- which was, of course, usual for Germany in most periods until Bismarck (and also since 1945), a plaything for foreign powers, an ideological battleground -- the whole point which Bismarck had to avoid in his 'German' state-building project.

    The parallel to Hindu-Muslim relations in South Asia and 1947 partition seems valid.

    Bismarck had enough problems with domestic Catholics on the fringes of the new German Reich, a share of whom were ethnic-Poles (who have since melted into the German population; Angela Merkel is 1/4 Polish); even those with a claim to longtime ancestry on the fringes of German world [south Bavaria and parts of the Rhineland], many German Catholics had a sullen, minority political identity within the German state, which gave birth to the so-called "Center Party" (for which around half of Germany's Catholics voted and near zero Protestants voted). The Center Party was a direct ancestor of what would become the CDU, which has always dominated the West German state (hence Pastor Niemoller's late-1940s and 1950s famous criticism of 'West Germany' as a "Catholic state conceived in Rome and born in Washington;" hence the historically relatively low rates of Protestants in the CDU; right-wing Protestants were behind other parties in Germany, but, in fact, Protestants were largely politically dispossessed by the three-way partition of Germany in 1945 and its consequences.

  43. I laughed when in the Indian movie Dhoom 3 (filmed in Chicago) they showed a beautiful blonde actress being the interest of the Indian cop sidekick.

  44. @Jonathan Mason
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation, so it behooves ambitious young politicians to marry into these families to obtain instant brand recognition and access to fund raising.

    Probably one of the young Obamas will be mated with a Kennedy scion to produce photogenic, electable heirs.

    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation,

    Chelsea is 37 years old and has never run for anything or held any appointive public office. Her father was in his 2d term as governor at age 37 and her mother had already done her best to ruin the Legal Services Corporation.

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office. His in-laws were consequential politicians in and around Boston, not anywhere else. His grandchildren have prospered when running for close-t0-safe Democratic seats in the Boston media market. Beyond that, one was on a municipal council in southern California and one was in the Maryland legislature for some years, and one is in the Connecticut legislature; that’s it. Jimmy Carter promised in 1979 that if Ted Kennedy challenged him “I’ll whip his ass”, and he did. The 11 primaries Ted Kennedy won in 1980 are about as well as they’ve done in the years since 1964. Robert Kennedy did not have the delegates to carry the day in 1968 and would have lost had he not been gunned down, just as his brother lost in 1980.

    As for the Bushes, it’s business first and politics second with them. Prescott Bush had ~14 grandchildren, now ages 46 to 72. Two have run for public office.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office.
     
    He had aspirations.

    Anyway, none of what you wrote belies what Jonathan Mason wrote - that there are families that appear to have dynastic desires, one way or another, and act on them.

    We don't need you to lecture us. You are not the fount of all wisdom. You are not a fount of wisdom at all. You are a smug nobody and a tiresome, preening, pedantic bore.

    , @1661er
    But Jonanthan Mason was talking about people marry into the family. If you including people who married into/divorce from Kennedys, you have the multi-terms governors of two important/large states.(CA/NY)
  45. Off-topic: Cossacks, Pogromists and Deniers of a Country’s Right to Exist ain’t gonna ride in Germany!

    Minister joins calls for anti-Semitism czar in Germany’s next government

    The “anti-semitism czar” is probably not parody. It is being supported by the Zentralrat der Juden.

    Also, it is actually about counter-Israelism (surprise!)

    Thomas de Maiziere nailed his colors to the mast in an interview with German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, following demonstrations in Berlin in which people protesting the US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel were reportedly seen burning the Israeli flag. The creation of the role was also recommended by Germany’s Central Council of Jews as well as an independent panel of experts.

    “A single crime motivated by anti-Semitism is one too many and shameful for our country,” he told the paper. “Hatred towards Jews must never be allowed to take hold of Germany again.” De Maziere also said that Germany “cannot tolerate” the burning of another country’s flag as it constitutes “the symbolic annihilation of a country’s right to exist.”

    Let’s import more people from the Middle East to de-escalate this particular problem.

  46. The Nehrus are a textbook example of the “rootless cosmopolitan.” They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab (“The emergency”) which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can’t get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people

    She tried to modernize India, and that was a good thing. But her third-world-socialist policy didn't work and just created a patronage system around her.
    Still, she had good reasons to despise much of India. It STINKS.

    It's like a nation full of Gypsies.
    , @David Davenport
    He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.

    Is "Khan"cognate with "Cohen," Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?
    , @Eagle Eye
    Interesting overview, thanks.
    , @Thomm

    and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian.
     
    No. She married Robert Vadra, who is Indian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vadra
    , @Art Deco
    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will.

    One of Rahul's degrees is from Cambridge. The smart money says his general intelligence is adequate. As for Jeb Bush, he isn't suffering any intellectual deficits and had a satisfactory career in banking and real estate before entering politics. His tenure as Governor of Florida was not notably troubled.
  47. Perhaps I should try to become the leader of the Ismailis.

  48. @Faraday's Bobcat
    "Mussolini is a riddle to me. Many of his reforms attract me. He seems to have done much for the peasant class. I admit an iron hand is there. But as violence is the basis of Western society, Mussolini's reforms deserve an impartial study. [Mussolini's] care of the poor, his opposition to super-urbanization, his efforts to bring about coordination between capital and labor, seem to me to demand special attention ... My own fundamental objection is that these reforms are compulsory. But it is the same in all democratic institutions. What strikes me is that behind Mussolini's implacability is a desire to serve his people. Even behind his emphatic speeches there is a nucleus of sincerity and of passionate love for his people. It seems to me that the majority of the Italian people love the iron government of Mussolini."

    -- Mohandas Gandhi

    What year did Gandhi say that? Mussolini chose to ally with Hitler and changed his policies accordingly.

  49. @Jonathan Mason
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation, so it behooves ambitious young politicians to marry into these families to obtain instant brand recognition and access to fund raising.

    Probably one of the young Obamas will be mated with a Kennedy scion to produce photogenic, electable heirs.

    I don’t see much photogenic in either the Kennedys or the Obamas.

  50. His complexion aside, Rahul Gandhi is a liberal who would be a Trojan horse for western progressive values to spread in India. Fuck him. I hope the BJP investigates his taxes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    If it were sane Liberalism -- the kind that the West stood for -- , India and all of Asia need more of it. But what is 'liberalism' today? PC, mindless worship of Diversity(something India doesn't need more of), homomania, Negromania, and etc.

    How sad.

    Still, India trying to be more 'white' isn't as demented as UK trying to be more black. More Indo-Aryanism is surely better than Junglo-Saxonism.
  51. OT, but CBS News has a great interview with new Alabama Senator Doug Jones. You might think that a Democrat who, despite what the media say, had just barely won an election against some twice-impeached clown with a (real or alleged) fondness for 17-year-old girls would be a little more modest in his pronouncements and a little more willing to lean towards the center on issues that affect the middle class. You would be a fool to think so. Jones pretends to lean right on irrelevant issues like gun rights but basically gives one great big middle finger to the native born citizens of Alabama: “I am here for all people. And Alabama is changing. Alabama is getting more diverse every day. … That’s the new Alabama.”

    IOW, “We’re replacing you, so piss off and die.”

  52. @Nico
    The protagonist of the film Hot Fuzz wisely advises his padouan on the police force to attribute the write up the nasty car wreck in which two decapitated bodies are found as a "collision," never an "accident," which would imply no one is at fault.

    “Constable Butterman, official vocab guidelines state that we no longer refer to such incidents as ‘accidents’, they are now ‘collisions.’” Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Also, it’s “padawan.”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Maybe on a par with TBL, which I don't care for.

    I haven't seen it in about 10 years, but Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC. The "bad guys" were typical country white British who wanted to keep their community the way it was, basically. So Pegg & co ran around murdering them.
  53. The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty has been trending toward the northwest for some time. Rahul’s great-grandfather Prime Minister Nehru was from Kashmir in the far north of India.

    And the Cambridge-and-Inner Temple-educated “Joe” Nehru was culturally quite Western. As he himself noted to Galbraith, “I am the last Englishman to rule in India.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    He with Bandaranaike are the lousiest poster children possible for the British system of education.
  54. @Art Deco
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation,

    Chelsea is 37 years old and has never run for anything or held any appointive public office. Her father was in his 2d term as governor at age 37 and her mother had already done her best to ruin the Legal Services Corporation.

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office. His in-laws were consequential politicians in and around Boston, not anywhere else. His grandchildren have prospered when running for close-t0-safe Democratic seats in the Boston media market. Beyond that, one was on a municipal council in southern California and one was in the Maryland legislature for some years, and one is in the Connecticut legislature; that's it. Jimmy Carter promised in 1979 that if Ted Kennedy challenged him "I'll whip his ass", and he did. The 11 primaries Ted Kennedy won in 1980 are about as well as they've done in the years since 1964. Robert Kennedy did not have the delegates to carry the day in 1968 and would have lost had he not been gunned down, just as his brother lost in 1980.

    As for the Bushes, it's business first and politics second with them. Prescott Bush had ~14 grandchildren, now ages 46 to 72. Two have run for public office.

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office.

    He had aspirations.

    Anyway, none of what you wrote belies what Jonathan Mason wrote – that there are families that appear to have dynastic desires, one way or another, and act on them.

    We don’t need you to lecture us. You are not the fount of all wisdom. You are not a fount of wisdom at all. You are a smug nobody and a tiresome, preening, pedantic bore.

  55. @Art Deco
    His sister and his cousin Varun have spouses and children whose names are publicly known. They all live in India. He doesn't have a secret family anywhere. He's not interested in being married.

    I don't think Sonia Gandhi ever aspired to be prime minister. Her husband entered politics only quite reluctantly and Sonia herself has occupied party positions and stayed out of public office for a dozen years after her husband died.

    The Nehru-Gandhi clan are notable for not being at all fecund. There are to date just 3 great-great grandchildren. Rahul's sister is too old to have any more children. His cousin Varun has managed to sire one child in six years of marriage. Not much of a bench to keep a political dynasty going.

    We already have a search engine. It’s called Google. We don’t you you, nitwit.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    We already have a search engine. It’s called Google. We don’t you you, nitwit.
     
    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD's contributions are invaluable.
  56. Ah, India, the worlds most populous democracy hereditary monarchy.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    Modi has no kids

    His likely successor is Yogi Adityanath ( a sort of Hindu bishop ) , celibate
  57. @Anonym
    Rahul looks possibly more Italian than Il Duce.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SMnNVAev3wM/V7KrNZUO82I/AAAAAAAAKzY/t4hJAEM_NlYYVUEQ9wbSylDRetD0VKYWACLcB/s1600/Benitto_Mussolini_mugshot_1903.jpg

    Well, what about the gesture in this one?

  58. @syonredux

    The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty has been trending toward the northwest for some time. Rahul’s great-grandfather Prime Minister Nehru was from Kashmir in the far north of India.
     
    And the Cambridge-and-Inner Temple-educated "Joe" Nehru was culturally quite Western. As he himself noted to Galbraith, "I am the last Englishman to rule in India."

    He with Bandaranaike are the lousiest poster children possible for the British system of education.

  59. @IHTG
    When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than "deracinated" Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    https://d3dupjkkwlat3o.cloudfront.net/730147601351/6796492/488xN?1452817953

    If the picture shows up, it’s the son, (((daughter-in-law))), and one of the (((grandson))) of Chiang Kai-Shek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Fang-liang
    Among some 49ers circle, there were the battlecry: “If only there were pure-blood legitmate grandchildren, the Chiangs/49ers may maintain the martial law over the Taiwanese for another generation.” But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    • Replies: @Anon
    But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    Not anymore. I think Taiwan is the most PC among the pussycats.
  60. @Art Deco
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation,

    Chelsea is 37 years old and has never run for anything or held any appointive public office. Her father was in his 2d term as governor at age 37 and her mother had already done her best to ruin the Legal Services Corporation.

    Joseph Kennedy never ran for public office. His in-laws were consequential politicians in and around Boston, not anywhere else. His grandchildren have prospered when running for close-t0-safe Democratic seats in the Boston media market. Beyond that, one was on a municipal council in southern California and one was in the Maryland legislature for some years, and one is in the Connecticut legislature; that's it. Jimmy Carter promised in 1979 that if Ted Kennedy challenged him "I'll whip his ass", and he did. The 11 primaries Ted Kennedy won in 1980 are about as well as they've done in the years since 1964. Robert Kennedy did not have the delegates to carry the day in 1968 and would have lost had he not been gunned down, just as his brother lost in 1980.

    As for the Bushes, it's business first and politics second with them. Prescott Bush had ~14 grandchildren, now ages 46 to 72. Two have run for public office.

    But Jonanthan Mason was talking about people marry into the family. If you including people who married into/divorce from Kennedys, you have the multi-terms governors of two important/large states.(CA/NY)

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It's doubtful a Kennedy connection was consequential for either. The Cuomo's were already well-established in New York, for example.
  61. @AndrewR
    One should note that eyes without epicanthic folds are predominant not just in "the west" but among almost all non East Asian peoples. The people getting these surgeries want to look like the 80% of humanity without epicanthic folds.

    One should note that eyes without epicanthic folds are predominant not just in “the west” but among almost all non East Asian peoples. The people getting these surgeries want to look like the 80% of humanity without epicanthic folds.

    Good point on that 80% but do you think NE Asian women are trying make their eyelids look like an Indian’s (Hindu) or like an African’s? No, they are going for European woman looking eyes.

  62. @IHTG
    When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than "deracinated" Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    >>one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Interestingly, King Abdullah has gotten a lot of criticism from Jordan's Bedouin citizens...for marrying a Palestinian woman.
    , @Art Deco
    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.

    His great-grandfather's background was altogether Hijazi. He was assassinated nevertheless. There's quite a constituency for revanchism in the Arab world and they loathe the Hashemites and their practicality.
  63. Ron Brown, Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce killed in plane crash 1996 with 30 some others. Wasn’t this the one Clinton was caught by a camera laughing up a storm right before the funeral?

  64. Okay, this sort of mixing of whites with the various global elites (especially if non-Muslim) is way better than breeding Junglo-Saxons or Obamo-Saxons, no?

  65. @Mr. Anon
    We already have a search engine. It's called Google. We don't you you, nitwit.

    We already have a search engine. It’s called Google. We don’t you you, nitwit.

    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD’s contributions are invaluable.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That is why AD’s contributions are invaluable.
     
    Do you get paid by the individual suck-up, or are you on retainer?

    Art Deco's contributions are hardly "invaluable". Their value is easily determined; they are worth exactly nothing.

    , @Mr. Anon

    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD’s contributions are invaluable.
     
    You think Art Deco is the word of God or something? He's a preening prig. Does he ever ask a question? Thank somebody for a post? Reply to anyone with anything other than sneering condescension? He thinks he's infallible. He's an insufferable horse's ass. If you think he's "invaluable", then you are probably a horse's ass too.
  66. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    At one point his mom was going to be India’s prime minister until it was pointed out she didn’t really speak any indigenous Indian languages well.

    Just how did it come to this? Nehru had big faults, but he was still a serious man.

    An Italian stewardess almost became prime minister of India?

    What a silly country.

    This is why we have to prevent The Planet of the Apu. The world will be a sillier place than it always is.

    And we don’t need MORE clownworld.

  67. @1661er
    https://d3dupjkkwlat3o.cloudfront.net/730147601351/6796492/488xN?1452817953

    If the picture shows up, it's the son, (((daughter-in-law))), and one of the (((grandson))) of Chiang Kai-Shek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Fang-liang
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Faina_Chiang.jpg

    Among some 49ers circle, there were the battlecry: "If only there were pure-blood legitmate grandchildren, the Chiangs/49ers may maintain the martial law over the Taiwanese for another generation." But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    Not anymore. I think Taiwan is the most PC among the pussycats.

    • Replies: @1661er
    That really depends on issues. Taiwanese were almost universally against receiving any refugees, despite governmental elite's cajoling. The ungrateful, malevolent refugees cohort from 1949 left bad tastes to many Taiwanese mouth. Despite what the 49ers say, China didn't sent its best in 1949.
  68. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu
    His complexion aside, Rahul Gandhi is a liberal who would be a Trojan horse for western progressive values to spread in India. Fuck him. I hope the BJP investigates his taxes.

    If it were sane Liberalism — the kind that the West stood for — , India and all of Asia need more of it. But what is ‘liberalism’ today? PC, mindless worship of Diversity(something India doesn’t need more of), homomania, Negromania, and etc.

    How sad.

    Still, India trying to be more ‘white’ isn’t as demented as UK trying to be more black. More Indo-Aryanism is surely better than Junglo-Saxonism.

  69. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dot Not Feather
    The Nehrus are a textbook example of the "rootless cosmopolitan." They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab ("The emergency") which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can't get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people

    She tried to modernize India, and that was a good thing. But her third-world-socialist policy didn’t work and just created a patronage system around her.
    Still, she had good reasons to despise much of India. It STINKS.

    It’s like a nation full of Gypsies.

  70. @DFH

    Before Gandhi, Annie Besant, a 100% white english woman, was leader of the Congress Party,
     
    She was Irish, not English

    She was Irish, not English

    And now, Ireland is ruled by some homindu.

  71. @Mr. Anon
    Ah, India, the worlds most populous democracy hereditary monarchy.

    Modi has no kids

    His likely successor is Yogi Adityanath ( a sort of Hindu bishop ) , celibate

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    We were discussing the Nehru / Ghandi dynasty.
    , @anonymous
    Impotent leaders of a nation which fancies itself a superpower. Go figure.

    Anyway, all hindus should henceforth follow the great examples of their limp leaders, abandon their wives, and/or become yogis.

    Can you imagine the potential market for personal, ahem, massagers?
  72. Why is this so shocking? India isn’t China. 22 different official languages that don’t even often share the same alphabet. Home to every skin color from flat out pseudo-Nordic looking descendants of Persian immigrants to Tamils that can pass for African.

    • Replies: @edgeslider
    India is the ultimate large scale and longest running diversity experiment. Its diversity is mind numbing, but not unlike Brazil, there is an overall pattern. Whiter is higher and the notion that whiter is better has been internalized (and edified) in the Indian psyche over millennia - It was not British colonialism. British were in India only for 150 years or so - a mere hiccup. The other pattern is India, is a bit like an enormous conglomeration of Gypsies lorded over by fewer Jews - who are whiter or "fairer" in Indian parlance. So among the upper castes and classes, there is an overwhelming desire to separate themselves from the darker Gypsies and join the "fairer" Jews. Hence, Sonia the Italian stewardess almost became Prime Minister. But then she was also the reason Modi's BJP surged to power.
    , @edgeslider
    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes
  73. @BenKenobi
    "Constable Butterman, official vocab guidelines state that we no longer refer to such incidents as 'accidents', they are now 'collisions.'" Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Also, it's "padawan."

    Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Maybe on a par with TBL, which I don’t care for.

    I haven’t seen it in about 10 years, but Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC. The “bad guys” were typical country white British who wanted to keep their community the way it was, basically. So Pegg & co ran around murdering them.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC
     
    You have not recalled correctly, friend-o. There was 0.0 (zero-point-zero) racial subtext of any kind anywhere in the film.

    ...hmmm, maybe Nick Frost's character could be called a cuck for his fandom of the Bad Boys movie franchise. But that would be a stretch.
  74. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Now we know what Mohammad bin Salmon has been doing with some of that money he’s been torturing out of his relatives. He recently bought the world’s most expensive house for 300 million. By the way, this isn’t even a real chateau. It was built in 2011. It’s the mother of all McMansions, the ultimate in nouveau riche spreads. ‘Saudi taste’ strikes again.

  75. @nebulafox
    Why is this so shocking? India isn't China. 22 different official languages that don't even often share the same alphabet. Home to every skin color from flat out pseudo-Nordic looking descendants of Persian immigrants to Tamils that can pass for African.

    India is the ultimate large scale and longest running diversity experiment. Its diversity is mind numbing, but not unlike Brazil, there is an overall pattern. Whiter is higher and the notion that whiter is better has been internalized (and edified) in the Indian psyche over millennia – It was not British colonialism. British were in India only for 150 years or so – a mere hiccup. The other pattern is India, is a bit like an enormous conglomeration of Gypsies lorded over by fewer Jews – who are whiter or “fairer” in Indian parlance. So among the upper castes and classes, there is an overwhelming desire to separate themselves from the darker Gypsies and join the “fairer” Jews. Hence, Sonia the Italian stewardess almost became Prime Minister. But then she was also the reason Modi’s BJP surged to power.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I'm not sure socioeconomic success between different ethnic groups is as clear cut between light/dark skin in India as it is in Brazil. In Brazil, it is all very explicit: the whiter you are, the more on top you are, end of story. Whereas Dravidian, darker skinned southern India generally tends to do better on development metrics than much of the north-I'm not sure how recent that is, given that the tech sector in India is disproportionate crammed into the southern states, but even on older things like better roads, less disease, relatively better treatment of women, etc, the divide is apparent.. India's played host to many-if not all-of these ethnic groups for thousands of years, whereas Brazil is a newer creation with a history of immigration from Europe (and later on, Japan and Lebanon) and slave labor importation from Africa. Brazil strikes me as being more like a more extreme version of the US that had the misfortune of getting Portuguese colonization instead of British.

    With that being said, the preference for pale skin is seen all over the world, and predates European colonization, especially for women: upper-class women didn't have to work in the fields, and pale skin was a sign of that. In China, skin lighteners do a *very* brisk trade, among both men and women, and as I've said before, Latin American societal dynamics (especially in Mexico) are Euro-favoring to a degree that many Americans really have a hard time fathoming.

    As for the BJP: I'm no expert, so anybody is free to correct me here. But my impression is that the old Fabian Congress crowd underestimated how much India getting a stable middle class after the transition to a free market economy would change political dynamics to their disfavor.

  76. @IHTG
    When speaking of how non-whites are much more ethnocentric and tribalistic than "deracinated" Westerners, one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    Who says they’re willing?

  77. @nebulafox
    Why is this so shocking? India isn't China. 22 different official languages that don't even often share the same alphabet. Home to every skin color from flat out pseudo-Nordic looking descendants of Persian immigrants to Tamils that can pass for African.

    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes
     
    They are Greek, as Greeks lived there for 200 years (albeit 2000 years ago).
  78. @jimmyriddle
    ISTR that he would traditionally receive his own weight in gold from his "flock" at some anual ceremony.

    The Agha Khan was a big cheese in British flat racing back in the day, before the Emiratis took over.

    The Ismailis have a big mosque in the very upscale London museum district of South Kensington.

    I’ve been to events at the Ismaili Centre in South Kensington. Lovely roof garden. Very nice people. No terror types – I think they are too busy making money.

    • Replies: @Canadian Observer
    The Ismaili Centre in Toronto is also very posh and nice. If all Muslims were like them, there would be no problems.
  79. @Anon
    But Taiwanese were too antisemitic/racist against her children, supposedly.

    Not anymore. I think Taiwan is the most PC among the pussycats.

    That really depends on issues. Taiwanese were almost universally against receiving any refugees, despite governmental elite’s cajoling. The ungrateful, malevolent refugees cohort from 1949 left bad tastes to many Taiwanese mouth. Despite what the 49ers say, China didn’t sent its best in 1949.

  80. @Anonym
    Great movie. A cult classic on par with Big Lebowski, imo.

    Maybe on a par with TBL, which I don't care for.

    I haven't seen it in about 10 years, but Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC. The "bad guys" were typical country white British who wanted to keep their community the way it was, basically. So Pegg & co ran around murdering them.

    Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC

    You have not recalled correctly, friend-o. There was 0.0 (zero-point-zero) racial subtext of any kind anywhere in the film.

    …hmmm, maybe Nick Frost’s character could be called a cuck for his fandom of the Bad Boys movie franchise. But that would be a stretch.

    • Replies: @Nico
    I rewatched Hot Fuzz in 2017. You are correct that there was no specific racial reference or subtext. That said, the kernel of truth to Anonym's post is that the film does peddle a snooty Cartesian worldview laying the terrain to justify the kind of madness being inflicted on us from above.

    The villains are the small-town elders, including the Christian preacher, maintaining what is good and wholesome and locally colorful through a reign of bloody brutality. Thus the cosmopolitan agnostic Londoners are justified stomping in and imposing the Voice of Reason (Nick's declaration of not needing to be a man of God to know right from wrong reflects the bien pensant "It's so OBvious and REasonable!" justification for his ethical worldview when confronted with his inability to source it) with equal brutality. It's a French Revolutionary caricature of the ancien régime.

    I saw the movie when it first came out. Back then it was easy to laugh off and paper over. Seeing it again this year, in the age of Macron and increasingly flagrant attempts to "put down" local resistance to their bland and sterile cosmo wave - including attempts to swamp us out with Third World savages - I was less able to put my views aside to enjoy the comedy.
    , @Anonym
    Chief Butterman and the other villagers in his whitopia rid the town of gypsies, graffiti vandals, and other miscreants. So his secret group had to be made into villains (i.e. they shot at Pegg and Wright), which justified them being shot.

    It was quite good up until the third act. There are PC parables that are worse, technically Travellers are white, but I don't think it matters. Whites are not allowed to have their own town, reinforce morality, defend what is theirs from parasites etc. Not a fan of the overall message.
  81. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    Western women try to be become more Asian looking to but we don’t frame it that way. Asians have smaller noses. White women undergo plastic surgery to reduce nose size. That’s just a nose job though and not thought of as looking more Asian.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Asians don't have "smaller noses." They have flatter noses which absolutely nobody gets a nose job to have.
    , @Anon
    Envy for Asian attributes among white women is pretty obvious from anyone who's spent time around them. Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for "how to look half-Japanese" makeup tutorials, etc.
  82. @edgeslider
    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes

    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes

    They are Greek, as Greeks lived there for 200 years (albeit 2000 years ago).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Really? That's interesting-I didn't know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn't have the time to settle and marry the natives.
  83. I looked it up. The family that Rahul Gandhi hails from has not been in power in 25 years.

    Just because he happens to be half-Italian does not support this narrative. How white were any of the last Prime Ministers and Presidents over the last 25 years.

  84. @TelfoedJohn
    I’ve been to events at the Ismaili Centre in South Kensington. Lovely roof garden. Very nice people. No terror types - I think they are too busy making money.

    The Ismaili Centre in Toronto is also very posh and nice. If all Muslims were like them, there would be no problems.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    When we think of Islam nowadays, we think of terror, fundamentalism, backwardness. Which is fair enough. But a lot of that is because very large amounts of oil were found in a region where the most extreme form of Islam prevailed, and that money allowed it to be exported. Imagine if huge amounts of oil were found instead in Indonesia. We would be complaining about gamelan music, instead of head-chopping.
    , @anonymous

    If all Muslims were like them
     
    There is an implication in there, which requires a correction. Ismailis are not Muslims. If that is the ingredient which makes them "peaceful," then fair enough. But, let's be clear, they are not Muslim. They are like all the other pagan polytheists out there. The commonality helps with their assimilation.

    there would be no problems.
     
    Yup, lot easier to be peaceful when nobody is trying to dispossess you of your homes, bombing you to smithereens, lynching you, ...
  85. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Two factual errors In This comment

    First, Robert Vadra has no Italian ancestry. His mother Maureen, is Scottish, his father is Hindu Indian.

    Second, feroze Gandhi’s original name was Ghandi, as in vegetable+salesman. He was Parsi, no Muslim ancestry.

    The rest of this comment is opinion. Still garbage, but not outright wrong.

  86. @edgeslider
    India is the ultimate large scale and longest running diversity experiment. Its diversity is mind numbing, but not unlike Brazil, there is an overall pattern. Whiter is higher and the notion that whiter is better has been internalized (and edified) in the Indian psyche over millennia - It was not British colonialism. British were in India only for 150 years or so - a mere hiccup. The other pattern is India, is a bit like an enormous conglomeration of Gypsies lorded over by fewer Jews - who are whiter or "fairer" in Indian parlance. So among the upper castes and classes, there is an overwhelming desire to separate themselves from the darker Gypsies and join the "fairer" Jews. Hence, Sonia the Italian stewardess almost became Prime Minister. But then she was also the reason Modi's BJP surged to power.

    I’m not sure socioeconomic success between different ethnic groups is as clear cut between light/dark skin in India as it is in Brazil. In Brazil, it is all very explicit: the whiter you are, the more on top you are, end of story. Whereas Dravidian, darker skinned southern India generally tends to do better on development metrics than much of the north-I’m not sure how recent that is, given that the tech sector in India is disproportionate crammed into the southern states, but even on older things like better roads, less disease, relatively better treatment of women, etc, the divide is apparent.. India’s played host to many-if not all-of these ethnic groups for thousands of years, whereas Brazil is a newer creation with a history of immigration from Europe (and later on, Japan and Lebanon) and slave labor importation from Africa. Brazil strikes me as being more like a more extreme version of the US that had the misfortune of getting Portuguese colonization instead of British.

    With that being said, the preference for pale skin is seen all over the world, and predates European colonization, especially for women: upper-class women didn’t have to work in the fields, and pale skin was a sign of that. In China, skin lighteners do a *very* brisk trade, among both men and women, and as I’ve said before, Latin American societal dynamics (especially in Mexico) are Euro-favoring to a degree that many Americans really have a hard time fathoming.

    As for the BJP: I’m no expert, so anybody is free to correct me here. But my impression is that the old Fabian Congress crowd underestimated how much India getting a stable middle class after the transition to a free market economy would change political dynamics to their disfavor.

    • Replies: @edgeslider
    please see my comment above
  87. @Anonymous
    I'm reminded of the similarly accidental airplane death of UN Secretary General Dag Hammerskjold, not long after he read the Riot Act to the Israelis with respect to their recurrent slaughterfests of the indigenous population there in Palestine. You could almost write a book about these airplane accidents.

    One of JFK’s better speeches was his tribute to Dag Hammerskjold before the United Nations in September of 1961. Politicians just don’t talk that way anymore – I know our host has a low regard for JFK, but that speech is still worth listening to in its entirety.

  88. @Thomm

    Not all pseudo Nordic looking Indians are Persian descendants. There are regular mixed up Indians who sometime look white, complete with light colored eyes
     
    They are Greek, as Greeks lived there for 200 years (albeit 2000 years ago).

    Really? That’s interesting-I didn’t know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn’t have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood

    http://celebritybliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/sandeepa-dhar.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsMLo95UEAAh6iO.jpg
    , @PiltdownMan

    I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn’t have the time to settle and marry the natives.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom


    He [Seleucus] crossed the Indus and waged war with Sandrocottus [Maurya], king of the Indians, who dwelt on the banks of that stream, until they came to an understanding with each other and contracted a marriage relationship

    It is generally thought that Chandragupta married Seleucus's daughter, or a Macedonian princess, a gift from Seleucus to formalize an alliance.

     
    , @Thomm
    Look up 'Indo-Greek kingdoms' on Wikipedia (someone else posted a link).

    It was in the first two centuries BC (180 BC to 10 AD). Note that this was long before Islam. Hence, there was a Greco-Indian style Kingdom in what is today Pakistan and North India.

    Watch the film 'The Man Who Would be King' with Sean Connery and Michael Caine.

    , @Numinous
    All genetic evidence suggests that Greek ancestry in India (and even in Afghanistan, which is where the Greeks had their heaviest presence) is negligible to non-existent, even among northwestern people who claim Greek ancestry. In reality, any Indo-Greek intermarriages were probably restricted to the elite (like Chandragupta Maurya supposedly marrying the daughter of Seleucus.)

    Light skin in India almost entirely comes from the various strands that made up ANI, which predates the Greeks and Persians by centuries if not millenia (dates back to the Bronze Age.)
  89. @nebulafox
    Really? That's interesting-I didn't know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn't have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood.
     
    Who are these two people? They're light-skinned but don't look particularly Northern European, unlike the Aga Khan.

    http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/cd2409ad4065c25ed1e43b2c61695a65.jpg

  90. It’s not unusual for Asian political and religious dynasties to become more European looking over the generations.

    Very British of you, Mr. Sailer.

  91. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    You ought to read your own links:

    New York-based cosmetic surgeon Dr. Edward Kwak states that many patients who get the procedure done are “not trying to look white”, but look like the many Asians who naturally have an eyelid fold.

    About 15% of Koreans, for example, have the so-called double eyelids naturally. Although Hollywood beauty standards have affected East Asian view of human beauty, preference for big eyes long predates this.

    I’m genetically 99.9% East Asian (the remaining 0.1% is common to American Indians, probably from before the split in Siberia), but came out several times more likely than “average” East Asian genetic testtakers to have light eyes and light hair. Indeed, my facial and body hair is reddish, and my mother had dark auburn hair. Some of my hapa children have red hair and green eyes.

    Some of “Western” features are present in even East Asia, without Western admixtures. Don’t fall for the simplistic and ignorant stereotype that all East Asians look the same. There is considerably more genotypical and, yes, phenotypical diversity in East Asia than commonly assumed. Note that this is compatible with the assumption there is less genetic diversity in East Asia than in Europe. You just have to be mindful that “less” is not the same as “none” or “very little.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name) who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites. Maybe. Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced. On another topic, how are lactose intolerant NEAsians able to consume more dairy products each year?
    , @Bill
    Wait, a plastic surgeon telling lies to make his product appear more socially acceptable? This is the first time ever that has happened, right?
  92. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. I'll change it to "plane crash considered an accident."

    I'm reminded of dictator Zia's death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That's considered an accident as well.

    When I was a young man living in Panama the head the nation, Omar Torrijos, died in a mysterious plane crash that was deemed to be an accident.

    I don’t know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation. But there have been lots of “mysterious” deaths in aircraft crashes involving people at or near the top of politics around the world. I’d restrict it to political figures because plenty of military leaders have to fly into perilous situations as part of their work and in conditions less than ideal for safe landing and takeoff, let alone enemy fire. But inconvenient popular members of the elite (think Camilo Cienfuegos in Cuba) do seem to have a disproportionate amount of bad luck in the air. Perhaps there’s a study?
    , @Loose Age
    I shared a ride across the isthmus in 1979 with a green beret from the School of the Americas who claimed some of his teammates entered Omars house and left a message saying "we can do this any time we want". When Torrijos died in 1981 I thought, ah, stinger practice.
    , @Art Deco
    I don’t know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    People invest in all sorts of inane notions, one being that the CIA would assassinate Torrijos a propos of nothing in particular. He wasn't up to anything peculiarly troublesome in 1981 and the U.S. government had had businesslike dealings with him for the previous dozen years.
  93. @nebulafox
    Really? That's interesting-I didn't know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn't have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn’t have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

    He [Seleucus] crossed the Indus and waged war with Sandrocottus [Maurya], king of the Indians, who dwelt on the banks of that stream, until they came to an understanding with each other and contracted a marriage relationship

    It is generally thought that Chandragupta married Seleucus’s daughter, or a Macedonian princess, a gift from Seleucus to formalize an alliance.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Now all of a sudden, the Hellenized features of that statue in Kamakura that I saw as a child make sense. Christ, I've got so much to learn.
  94. @rec1man
    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood

    http://celebritybliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/sandeepa-dhar.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsMLo95UEAAh6iO.jpg

    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood.

    Who are these two people? They’re light-skinned but don’t look particularly Northern European, unlike the Aga Khan.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    Both these women are Kashmiri Pandit Brahmins, like Indira Gandhi, Nehru etc

    They are both bollywood stars and representative of Indo-Aryan Upper caste phenotype, with minimal admixture

    They do not look like North European, but could pass as mediteranean white

    The Agha Khan looks North European bcos he is genetically 75% North European
    His mother and grandmother were blonde nordic women
  95. The “whiter is tops and darker is lower” pattern in India is not as pronounced as in Brazil, but still holds in general, but you have to look harder. In Brazil we are talking Euro White-to-Afro Black variation, while in India it is mostly 40 shades of brown. There are many reasons for that, but the most obvious is Brazil is a very different place than India.

    Yes, I also think, the preference for lighter skin may be biological or evolutionary psychological. There is a theory that speculates that fairer and clearer skin correlates to health and fertility, so men find it attractive. Now, combine that with the hypergamous nature of women to marry up – mate with higher status (power, money and so IQ). Viola, we have elites all over the World becoming whiter and whiter.

    It goes show the power of the modern Western Leftist ability for social engineering that we see the reversal of this default human behavior in the West and the rise of the Junglo-Saxons.

  96. @Clyde
    Works better than those Asian skin whitening soaps and creams. For all the dumping on, shaming of white people here (USA), the world's non-whites want to get whiter one way or another. White women are the world's beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding and we know the nastier words for this. In modern societies women's sexuality is unrestrained, for reasons posted here many times, places like Heartist too. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    _____________________

    Also the eyelid operations NE Asian women get to look more European plus dying their hair lighter
    .
    Plastic surgery boom as Asians seek 'western' look - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html
    May 19, 2011 · Girls as young as 12 undergo surgery to ... A surgery which cuts a fold into her eyelid to create a double fold ... is not the standard Asian ...

    East Asian blepharoplasty - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty
    A South Korean woman, before ... of the East Asian upper eyelid. The upper lid fold can ... East Asian blepharoplasty have been reported to be the most common ...

    White women are the world’s beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding

    This is empirically not true. White women are the race and sex of American least likely to out-breed, despite their strong political support for immigration and miscegenation. In their view, out-breeding is a great example of political progress, but in each of their individual cases they happen to decide to marry white guys only.

    On the other side, white men are politically opposed to immigration and miscegenation but in real life, will unhesitatingly out-breed if they can find an attractive and fertile asian or hispanic woman to marry.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Yep.

    Unfortunately our easy/casual sex society makes it so that plenty of men will marry whichever girl will sleep with him. That's not a good foundation for life-long marriage, which is largely about hard work, sacrifice, and forgiveness. One of the many reasons for our divorce-centric country.
  97. @nebulafox
    I'm not sure socioeconomic success between different ethnic groups is as clear cut between light/dark skin in India as it is in Brazil. In Brazil, it is all very explicit: the whiter you are, the more on top you are, end of story. Whereas Dravidian, darker skinned southern India generally tends to do better on development metrics than much of the north-I'm not sure how recent that is, given that the tech sector in India is disproportionate crammed into the southern states, but even on older things like better roads, less disease, relatively better treatment of women, etc, the divide is apparent.. India's played host to many-if not all-of these ethnic groups for thousands of years, whereas Brazil is a newer creation with a history of immigration from Europe (and later on, Japan and Lebanon) and slave labor importation from Africa. Brazil strikes me as being more like a more extreme version of the US that had the misfortune of getting Portuguese colonization instead of British.

    With that being said, the preference for pale skin is seen all over the world, and predates European colonization, especially for women: upper-class women didn't have to work in the fields, and pale skin was a sign of that. In China, skin lighteners do a *very* brisk trade, among both men and women, and as I've said before, Latin American societal dynamics (especially in Mexico) are Euro-favoring to a degree that many Americans really have a hard time fathoming.

    As for the BJP: I'm no expert, so anybody is free to correct me here. But my impression is that the old Fabian Congress crowd underestimated how much India getting a stable middle class after the transition to a free market economy would change political dynamics to their disfavor.

    please see my comment above

  98. So the “round eyes” insult in East Asia is mostly because of a “sour grapes” attitude?

  99. @PiltdownMan

    I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn’t have the time to settle and marry the natives.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom


    He [Seleucus] crossed the Indus and waged war with Sandrocottus [Maurya], king of the Indians, who dwelt on the banks of that stream, until they came to an understanding with each other and contracted a marriage relationship

    It is generally thought that Chandragupta married Seleucus's daughter, or a Macedonian princess, a gift from Seleucus to formalize an alliance.

     

    Now all of a sudden, the Hellenized features of that statue in Kamakura that I saw as a child make sense. Christ, I’ve got so much to learn.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art

    There ya go.

    :)
  100. @nebulafox
    Now all of a sudden, the Hellenized features of that statue in Kamakura that I saw as a child make sense. Christ, I've got so much to learn.
  101. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. I'll change it to "plane crash considered an accident."

    I'm reminded of dictator Zia's death in a plane crash in neighboring Pakistan in 1988. That's considered an accident as well.

    I was in India when Sanjay died.
    No one thought it anything other than an accident- and we are talking Indians here who thrive on conspiracy theories.
    Sanjay flew aerobatic planes for a hobby -pushing the envelope and all that

  102. Which reminds me- people who haven’t been to India may be surprised at how big the skin whitening industry is
    Indians in the West are uncomfortable talking about it

  103. @nebulafox
    Really? That's interesting-I didn't know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn't have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    Look up ‘Indo-Greek kingdoms’ on Wikipedia (someone else posted a link).

    It was in the first two centuries BC (180 BC to 10 AD). Note that this was long before Islam. Hence, there was a Greco-Indian style Kingdom in what is today Pakistan and North India.

    Watch the film ‘The Man Who Would be King’ with Sean Connery and Michael Caine.

    • Replies: @BillsD
    The Indo Greek kingdoms had too few peoples of Greek extractions. This attempt to link the Balda and afghans to the Greeks has been shown to be way off base. Remember the supposedly? Caucasian mummies of the Tarim Basin had green eyes and some had red hair. Further, they used Bramhi script. Sure there is some mixing everywhere but its slower and more local, but Alexander probably never saw Kashmir except passing it's outer mountain ranges. Further, the population of these Indo greek kingdoms was not primarily greek and the dates above don't describe how quickly they collapsed. Xenophon and Megasthanes are decent ancient sources. Also genetic work shows Indians and Europeans have no genetic relations within the last almost 40,000 years. Egypt is united 6000 BC.
  104. Again, this narrative is false, since there happens to be ONE guy, who is almost 50 and has been known to people all along, now entering politics. His family hasn’t been in power for 25 years, and even when his PARTY was last in power, the Prime Minister was an 80 year old Sikh man.

    If there were a lot of half-white Mestizos in the upper rungs of Indian politics, that would be a different matter.

    Rahul Gandhi is just the 4th generation of a political family, and is ironically far less likely to be the Prime Minister than his father, grandmother, or great grandfather.

    Steve’s narrative does not hold water.

  105. has succeeded his mother as head of the Congress Party,

    I’m confused… is this party about head, or full congress? Either way, I wasn’t invited.

    Do they make you wear gandhoms?

    I don’t know if Rahul always makes intensely Italian-looking hand gestures like in this picture.

    Let’s see him do the thumbnail-against-incisor flick. That separates the men from the boys.

    (As opposed to Afghanistan, where a crowbar serves that purpose.)

    Hopefully, the scion will enjoy a less tragic career.

    Or we’ll eventually see the biopic, Eating Rahul.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    I’m confused… is this party about head, or full congress?
     
    The party's name is 'Indian National Congress'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress

    But the last time they had power, the Prime Minister was Manmohan Singh, an 80-year old Sikh.

    The legislative body in India is a parliament (like in Britain), and is not called a 'Congress' like in America.
  106. @Twinkie
    You ought to read your own links:

    New York-based cosmetic surgeon Dr. Edward Kwak states that many patients who get the procedure done are "not trying to look white", but look like the many Asians who naturally have an eyelid fold.
     
    About 15% of Koreans, for example, have the so-called double eyelids naturally. Although Hollywood beauty standards have affected East Asian view of human beauty, preference for big eyes long predates this.

    I’m genetically 99.9% East Asian (the remaining 0.1% is common to American Indians, probably from before the split in Siberia), but came out several times more likely than “average” East Asian genetic testtakers to have light eyes and light hair. Indeed, my facial and body hair is reddish, and my mother had dark auburn hair. Some of my hapa children have red hair and green eyes.

    Some of “Western” features are present in even East Asia, without Western admixtures. Don’t fall for the simplistic and ignorant stereotype that all East Asians look the same. There is considerably more genotypical and, yes, phenotypical diversity in East Asia than commonly assumed. Note that this is compatible with the assumption there is less genetic diversity in East Asia than in Europe. You just have to be mindful that “less” is not the same as “none” or “very little.”

    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name) who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites. Maybe. Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced. On another topic, how are lactose intolerant NEAsians able to consume more dairy products each year?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name
     
    Kwak is a Korean name.

    who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites.
     
    I think it's far more likely that YOU have an interest in pushing the "Asians are copying whites" theme for your own emotional gratification.

    Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced.
     
    To the extent that Hollywood dominates the global pop culture, of course its representatives on screen would be idealized across the globe. So, yes, there is Western influence - obviously.

    But let me repeat - the preference for big eyes ("double eyelids") or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
  107. @Reg Cæsar

    has succeeded his mother as head of the Congress Party,
     
    I'm confused... is this party about head, or full congress? Either way, I wasn't invited.

    Do they make you wear gandhoms?

    I don’t know if Rahul always makes intensely Italian-looking hand gestures like in this picture.
     

    Let's see him do the thumbnail-against-incisor flick. That separates the men from the boys.

    (As opposed to Afghanistan, where a crowbar serves that purpose.)


    Hopefully, the scion will enjoy a less tragic career.
     
    Or we'll eventually see the biopic, Eating Rahul.

    I’m confused… is this party about head, or full congress?

    The party’s name is ‘Indian National Congress’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress

    But the last time they had power, the Prime Minister was Manmohan Singh, an 80-year old Sikh.

    The legislative body in India is a parliament (like in Britain), and is not called a ‘Congress’ like in America.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Dullard. You don't get it, do you? He wasn't confused about the name. You, on the other hand, are confused about so much.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/congress

    Check out the higher-number definitions, which get increasingly intimate.
  108. @rec1man
    The congress is like the Democratic Party, get muslim votes in exchange for letting muslim Jihadis run loose

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check ; and Modi has a proven track record in this

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check

    India nearing 1,350m pop.
    82% Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh = 1,110m Hindus and kindred
    14% Muslim = 190m Muslims
    TFR: 2.2 / higher for Muslims

    Pakistan nearing 200m pop.
    2% Hindu = 4m Hindus
    97% Muslim = 194m Muslims
    TFR: 3.0

    Bangladesh nearing 170m pop.
    9% Hindu = 15m Hindus
    90% Muslim = 153m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Nepal nearing 30m pop.
    90% Hindu and Buddhist = 27m Hindus and kindred
    <5% Muslim = 1m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Sri Lanka at 22m pop.
    83% Buddhist and Hindu (conflating these two in case of Sri Lanka problematic) = 18m
    10% Muslim = 2m
    TFR: 2.0

    SOUTH ASIA
    1,174m : Hindus
    540m : Muslims
    (40m : Christians?)

    This is only a two-to-one advantage now, and declining due to Pakistan’s still-high fertility.

    I say this as a well-wishing outsider who has never been to any of the countries above mentioned, but…surely there cannot be an India/Hindustan without a healthy Hindu supermajority. At least the Indian state itself still has that supermajority but the demographics are getting less favorable (See Hindu-to-Muslim Population Ratio in India, 1951-2011)…

    ________________________

    If you will forgive an analogy to Europe: This precarious Hindu majority situation is, perhaps, similar to Bismarck’s predicament in trying to build a ‘Germany’ in the 19th century. Bismarck knew such a state, a ‘Germany,’ needed a large, healthy, vigorous Protestant majority to be politically viable.

    [MORE]
    The ever-practical Bismarck deliberately excluded millions of Germans of the Catholic religion. This is why ‘Austria’ exists still today, and has been separate from ‘Germany’ (except 1938-1945). Bismarck never made any attempt to bring in Catholic Vienna to the new Germany, even though he could have.

    Bismarck was not a pan-German nationalist. He was a genius of statesmanship, and where a lesser political mind would have grabbed up the weakened and discredited “Austrian Empire’s” Catholic core areas of German tongue and more, Bismarck reasoned that their Catholic political identity would hurt the cohesion of the new state. Not to mention the ‘variety’ of other peoples on ‘Austrian’ coattails at the time (including the very worst kind of religious minority to have in your state, in the grand review of history as I see it: the Muslim).

    Take in too many ‘Austrians,’ and the German Reich would decline from a healthy 75% Protestant supermajority to, depending on how many ‘Austrians’ and ethnic-nonGermans-on-Austrian-coattails (Czechs, for one) would be taken in, Germany might lose its Protestant majority, and thus become rudderless, with an unclear position in the European world, perhaps — which was, of course, usual for Germany in most periods until Bismarck (and also since 1945), a plaything for foreign powers, an ideological battleground — the whole point which Bismarck had to avoid in his ‘German’ state-building project.

    The parallel to Hindu-Muslim relations in South Asia and 1947 partition seems valid.

    Bismarck had enough problems with domestic Catholics on the fringes of the new German Reich, a share of whom were ethnic-Poles (who have since melted into the German population; Angela Merkel is 1/4 Polish); even those with a claim to longtime ancestry on the fringes of German world [south Bavaria and parts of the Rhineland], many German Catholics had a sullen, minority political identity within the German state, which gave birth to the so-called “Center Party” (for which around half of Germany’s Catholics voted and near zero Protestants voted). The Center Party was a direct ancestor of what would become the CDU, which has always dominated the West German state (hence Pastor Niemoller’s late-1940s and 1950s famous criticism of ‘West Germany’ as a “Catholic state conceived in Rome and born in Washington;” hence the historically relatively low rates of Protestants in the CDU; right-wing Protestants were behind other parties in Germany, but, in fact, Protestants were largely politically dispossessed by the three-way partition of Germany in 1945 and its consequences.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    (including the very worst kind of religious minority to have in your state, in the grand review of history as I see it: the Muslim).
     
    LOL!

    Good luck with the whole pagan polytheist human worshipping cult thing.

  109. @Dot Not Feather
    The Nehrus are a textbook example of the "rootless cosmopolitan." They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab ("The emergency") which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can't get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.

    Is “Khan”cognate with “Cohen,” Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?

    • Replies: @Numinous

    Is “Khan”cognate with “Cohen,” Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?
     
    Nope, it comes from the Mongol honorific (think Genghis Khan and all the rest.)
    , @Art Deco
    The name you're looking for is Kahn. There are several names which indicate priestly descent, Cohen and Kahn among them.
  110. @DFH

    It’s not the skin color per se, it’s the Western-ness that’s attractive. You don’t see fair-skinned Afghan women marrying into Asian nobility.
     
    Not true. Fair skin was preferred in East Asia a long time before significant Western influence. It's mentioned in the Diary of Lady Murasaki and the Tale of the Genji.

    You misunderstand me. I’m not claiming that fair skin is not considered desirable, just that it’s a poor explanation for third world *elites* intermarrying with Westerners. For one thing, there doesn’t seem any particular affinity for the equally white Eastern Europeans.

    Henry Kissinger had a better grasp of the subject of attractiveness.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    (Vinay, I'm sure you know this, but this is for the benefit of others.)

    In India, fair skin in a marriage partner is indeed considered desirable, but such desirability stops at the borders of the subcontinent. If we exclude the miniscule number of "global" families like the Nuhru/Gandhis, Indians of all hues are VERY ethnocentric in their marital decisions. Virtually all Indian moms and pops would prefer their kids to marry a darker-skinned Indian than a white person (or light-skinned East Asian, for that matter.)

  111. @PiltdownMan

    these 2 bollywood stars 100% Kashmiri Pandit Brahmin, with no Euro blood.
     
    Who are these two people? They're light-skinned but don't look particularly Northern European, unlike the Aga Khan.

    http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/cd2409ad4065c25ed1e43b2c61695a65.jpg

    Both these women are Kashmiri Pandit Brahmins, like Indira Gandhi, Nehru etc

    They are both bollywood stars and representative of Indo-Aryan Upper caste phenotype, with minimal admixture

    They do not look like North European, but could pass as mediteranean white

    The Agha Khan looks North European bcos he is genetically 75% North European
    His mother and grandmother were blonde nordic women

  112. @Clyde
    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name) who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites. Maybe. Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced. On another topic, how are lactose intolerant NEAsians able to consume more dairy products each year?

    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name

    Kwak is a Korean name.

    who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites.

    I think it’s far more likely that YOU have an interest in pushing the “Asians are copying whites” theme for your own emotional gratification.

    Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced.

    To the extent that Hollywood dominates the global pop culture, of course its representatives on screen would be idealized across the globe. So, yes, there is Western influence – obviously.

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?

    • Replies: @Clyde

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
     
    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it's an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese "Chosen People" will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
     
  113. @Nico
    Except in India the out- and in-groups are cleanly reversed compared to the U.S.. Indian Christians typically vote Congress in India yet Indian-American Christians are far more likely to vote GOP than are Indian-American Hindus. Sonia Gandhi of course is Catholic, though their children were nominally raised in their father's Hindu Brahminism. The Congress Party still represents the more Westernized elements of the old Colonial-era go-between elites. As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party, though if they think Western-style collaboration with Muslims to hold their position solid is going to fly well in the long run they really need to get their heads out of their arses (not any worse than do most Western leaders, of course).

    As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party

    And why would you prefer that? That’ll guarantee a higher pull for Indian immigration into the US. More Hindu nationalism means more attachment to the homeland, more aversion to foreigners (Muslims as well as Westerners), and a disinclination to emigrate. Until not too long ago, there was an explicit taboo (especially among the higher castes) against leaving the sacred confines of the Indian subcontinent, which is why the oldest emigrants from India date to the mid-19th century.

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer “separateness” (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.

    • Replies: @Nico

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer “separateness” (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.
     
    As a pure abstraction that sounds logical. In practice, however, when we were still pushing Christianity and Westernization outside of the West, the West itself had higher TFRs *and* rather little trouble (relative to today) keeping the extreme "other" out, restricting outmarriage, etc.

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future. In one sense it is true to say that the former is more a function of the latter; however, the positive feedback loop therein should not be underestimated. A coping strategy to deliberately sabotage either of the former will not compensate a lack of the latter, but rather accelerate the decline.

  114. @BenKenobi

    Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC
     
    You have not recalled correctly, friend-o. There was 0.0 (zero-point-zero) racial subtext of any kind anywhere in the film.

    ...hmmm, maybe Nick Frost's character could be called a cuck for his fandom of the Bad Boys movie franchise. But that would be a stretch.

    I rewatched Hot Fuzz in 2017. You are correct that there was no specific racial reference or subtext. That said, the kernel of truth to Anonym’s post is that the film does peddle a snooty Cartesian worldview laying the terrain to justify the kind of madness being inflicted on us from above.

    The villains are the small-town elders, including the Christian preacher, maintaining what is good and wholesome and locally colorful through a reign of bloody brutality. Thus the cosmopolitan agnostic Londoners are justified stomping in and imposing the Voice of Reason (Nick’s declaration of not needing to be a man of God to know right from wrong reflects the bien pensant “It’s so OBvious and REasonable!” justification for his ethical worldview when confronted with his inability to source it) with equal brutality. It’s a French Revolutionary caricature of the ancien régime.

    I saw the movie when it first came out. Back then it was easy to laugh off and paper over. Seeing it again this year, in the age of Macron and increasingly flagrant attempts to “put down” local resistance to their bland and sterile cosmo wave – including attempts to swamp us out with Third World savages – I was less able to put my views aside to enjoy the comedy.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Yes, exactly the point of my post. Thank you.
  115. @ia
    They are flattered that their rulers are able to acquire prestige by siring children with white women. If you can imagine women from different tribes as more or less enemy territory it makes perfect sense. In India, and I would suspect Pakistan and most places in the world, beautiful women are seen as very valuable possessions that are guarded and never go out alone in public.

    I know it's hard for white men to contemplate having lived your lives entirely in the West but non-feminist cultures have very different attitudes towards women.

    In India, and I would suspect Pakistan and most places in the world, beautiful women are seen as very valuable possessions that are guarded and never go out alone in public.

    That’s really only in the north, and in in particular the northwest (which includes Pakistan), where there was a history of kidnapping of women (for you know what) by invaders. In the far south, on the other hand, conditions were very different; hardly a feminist paradise by your standards, but with very different rules from those that prevailed on the Indo-Afghan border. There, certain classes of women used to go around topless until the 19th century (the same “fashion” was followed in tropical SE Asia.)

  116. @Thomm

    I’m confused… is this party about head, or full congress?
     
    The party's name is 'Indian National Congress'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress

    But the last time they had power, the Prime Minister was Manmohan Singh, an 80-year old Sikh.

    The legislative body in India is a parliament (like in Britain), and is not called a 'Congress' like in America.

    Dullard. You don’t get it, do you? He wasn’t confused about the name. You, on the other hand, are confused about so much.

  117. @rec1man
    Modi has no kids

    His likely successor is Yogi Adityanath ( a sort of Hindu bishop ) , celibate

    We were discussing the Nehru / Ghandi dynasty.

  118. @Johann Ricke

    We already have a search engine. It’s called Google. We don’t you you, nitwit.
     
    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD's contributions are invaluable.

    That is why AD’s contributions are invaluable.

    Do you get paid by the individual suck-up, or are you on retainer?

    Art Deco’s contributions are hardly “invaluable”. Their value is easily determined; they are worth exactly nothing.

  119. @nebulafox
    Really? That's interesting-I didn't know that. I knew that Hellenistic culture got the chance to be entrenched in Persia, Egypt, etc, but I thought when Alexander the Great retreated from India, his armies went with him, so they didn't have the time to settle and marry the natives.

    All genetic evidence suggests that Greek ancestry in India (and even in Afghanistan, which is where the Greeks had their heaviest presence) is negligible to non-existent, even among northwestern people who claim Greek ancestry. In reality, any Indo-Greek intermarriages were probably restricted to the elite (like Chandragupta Maurya supposedly marrying the daughter of Seleucus.)

    Light skin in India almost entirely comes from the various strands that made up ANI, which predates the Greeks and Persians by centuries if not millenia (dates back to the Bronze Age.)

  120. @David Davenport
    He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.

    Is "Khan"cognate with "Cohen," Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?

    Is “Khan”cognate with “Cohen,” Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?

    Nope, it comes from the Mongol honorific (think Genghis Khan and all the rest.)

  121. @Vinay
    You misunderstand me. I’m not claiming that fair skin is not considered desirable, just that it’s a poor explanation for third world *elites* intermarrying with Westerners. For one thing, there doesn’t seem any particular affinity for the equally white Eastern Europeans.

    Henry Kissinger had a better grasp of the subject of attractiveness.

    (Vinay, I’m sure you know this, but this is for the benefit of others.)

    In India, fair skin in a marriage partner is indeed considered desirable, but such desirability stops at the borders of the subcontinent. If we exclude the miniscule number of “global” families like the Nuhru/Gandhis, Indians of all hues are VERY ethnocentric in their marital decisions. Virtually all Indian moms and pops would prefer their kids to marry a darker-skinned Indian than a white person (or light-skinned East Asian, for that matter.)

    • Replies: @edgeslider
    That is changing and changing in a hurry as India globalizes and more Indians travel and live abroad and become less insular, and you can notice that the notional boundaries for Indian (light) color blindness is blurring. Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads
  122. The laws of journalism are always the same.

    Everyone here, including Mr. Sailer, seems so smart and clever, yet when they write on a topic you are familiar with, their ignorance is exposed and it’s embarassing.

    Rahul Gandhi is viewed as a dimwit. Anglo-Indians were similarly viewed as in over their heads after Independence, and they largely left for kinder terrain. The British are not seen as some sentinel of competence, probably just a marginally more economically efficient coloniser than the Portuguese.

    Perhaps India does not fit western race heuristics due to underlying confounders in the population structure. Assumptions of Hardy-Weinberg do not apply.

  123. @Daniel H
    >>one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.

    Interestingly, King Abdullah has gotten a lot of criticism from Jordan’s Bedouin citizens…for marrying a Palestinian woman.

  124. @Canadian Observer
    The Ismaili Centre in Toronto is also very posh and nice. If all Muslims were like them, there would be no problems.

    When we think of Islam nowadays, we think of terror, fundamentalism, backwardness. Which is fair enough. But a lot of that is because very large amounts of oil were found in a region where the most extreme form of Islam prevailed, and that money allowed it to be exported. Imagine if huge amounts of oil were found instead in Indonesia. We would be complaining about gamelan music, instead of head-chopping.

  125. @Daniel H
    >>one should also consider their willingness to be ruled over by people such as these or the half-British King Abdullah of Jordan.

    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.

    Some are content to be ruled by these half-whites, but there are a significant percentage of Jordanian men who would murder Abdullah on the spot if they could only get close enough to him.

    His great-grandfather’s background was altogether Hijazi. He was assassinated nevertheless. There’s quite a constituency for revanchism in the Arab world and they loathe the Hashemites and their practicality.

  126. @BenKenobi

    Hot Fuzz was a fairly typical anti-white movie IIRC
     
    You have not recalled correctly, friend-o. There was 0.0 (zero-point-zero) racial subtext of any kind anywhere in the film.

    ...hmmm, maybe Nick Frost's character could be called a cuck for his fandom of the Bad Boys movie franchise. But that would be a stretch.

    Chief Butterman and the other villagers in his whitopia rid the town of gypsies, graffiti vandals, and other miscreants. So his secret group had to be made into villains (i.e. they shot at Pegg and Wright), which justified them being shot.

    It was quite good up until the third act. There are PC parables that are worse, technically Travellers are white, but I don’t think it matters. Whites are not allowed to have their own town, reinforce morality, defend what is theirs from parasites etc. Not a fan of the overall message.

  127. @Nico
    I rewatched Hot Fuzz in 2017. You are correct that there was no specific racial reference or subtext. That said, the kernel of truth to Anonym's post is that the film does peddle a snooty Cartesian worldview laying the terrain to justify the kind of madness being inflicted on us from above.

    The villains are the small-town elders, including the Christian preacher, maintaining what is good and wholesome and locally colorful through a reign of bloody brutality. Thus the cosmopolitan agnostic Londoners are justified stomping in and imposing the Voice of Reason (Nick's declaration of not needing to be a man of God to know right from wrong reflects the bien pensant "It's so OBvious and REasonable!" justification for his ethical worldview when confronted with his inability to source it) with equal brutality. It's a French Revolutionary caricature of the ancien régime.

    I saw the movie when it first came out. Back then it was easy to laugh off and paper over. Seeing it again this year, in the age of Macron and increasingly flagrant attempts to "put down" local resistance to their bland and sterile cosmo wave - including attempts to swamp us out with Third World savages - I was less able to put my views aside to enjoy the comedy.

    Yes, exactly the point of my post. Thank you.

  128. @anonymous
    Western women try to be become more Asian looking to but we don't frame it that way. Asians have smaller noses. White women undergo plastic surgery to reduce nose size. That's just a nose job though and not thought of as looking more Asian.

    Asians don’t have “smaller noses.” They have flatter noses which absolutely nobody gets a nose job to have.

  129. @Twinkie
    You ought to read your own links:

    New York-based cosmetic surgeon Dr. Edward Kwak states that many patients who get the procedure done are "not trying to look white", but look like the many Asians who naturally have an eyelid fold.
     
    About 15% of Koreans, for example, have the so-called double eyelids naturally. Although Hollywood beauty standards have affected East Asian view of human beauty, preference for big eyes long predates this.

    I’m genetically 99.9% East Asian (the remaining 0.1% is common to American Indians, probably from before the split in Siberia), but came out several times more likely than “average” East Asian genetic testtakers to have light eyes and light hair. Indeed, my facial and body hair is reddish, and my mother had dark auburn hair. Some of my hapa children have red hair and green eyes.

    Some of “Western” features are present in even East Asia, without Western admixtures. Don’t fall for the simplistic and ignorant stereotype that all East Asians look the same. There is considerably more genotypical and, yes, phenotypical diversity in East Asia than commonly assumed. Note that this is compatible with the assumption there is less genetic diversity in East Asia than in Europe. You just have to be mindful that “less” is not the same as “none” or “very little.”

    Wait, a plastic surgeon telling lies to make his product appear more socially acceptable? This is the first time ever that has happened, right?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.
  130. @David Davenport
    He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.

    Is "Khan"cognate with "Cohen," Khan/Cohen denoting patrician status lineage?

    The name you’re looking for is Kahn. There are several names which indicate priestly descent, Cohen and Kahn among them.

  131. Its quite easy for the brown hindus to morph into ‘white aryans’ . Just apply some 9x whitening cream

  132. @Twinkie

    Says Dr. Edward Kwak Chinese name
     
    Kwak is a Korean name.

    who might have an interest in denying Asians are copying whites.
     
    I think it's far more likely that YOU have an interest in pushing the "Asians are copying whites" theme for your own emotional gratification.

    Maybe it is both NEAsian and White influenced.
     
    To the extent that Hollywood dominates the global pop culture, of course its representatives on screen would be idealized across the globe. So, yes, there is Western influence - obviously.

    But let me repeat - the preference for big eyes ("double eyelids") or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?

    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it’s an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese “Chosen People” will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with — by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.

    • Replies: @Anon
    He's not Han. Your rambles are misplaced.

    The Japanese are incapable of changing the world, at any rate. We have had our chance and demonstrated a lack of will to sacrifice everything, including our identity, to become a power. The Han, for their part, have and if it involves mass self-destruction, its notable nonetheless that they've show a spirit to embrace the future no matter the cost.

    We, on the other hand, can't seem to escape stagnation.

    , @Stan Adams
    The Japs could never out-Mao Mao, but they were no slouches in the slaughtering department:
    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

    Sadly, a once-mighty warrior race has been thoroughly gelded:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html
    , @Twinkie

    You pork eating, Han Chinese “Chosen People” will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts.
     
    I do love to eat pork belly and Carolina-style BBQ, but I’m afraid I am not Chinese, Han or otherwise. And I’ve practiced Judo for forty years.

    So I urge you stop theses dumb characterizations.
    , @BillsD
    This preference for light skin has little to do with racial concepts. In the Chinese context all this indicates is that Northern tribes were lighter skinned and differentiated from the darker Southern Kingdoms. The center of Chinese has only slowly moved northwards. Second, dark skin implies Manual Labor in agricultural societies. So light skin implies refinement. Why was lighter skin preferred in England, which is pasty white to begin with?
    To the racial classifications in India. North Indians show a commonality with European populations over 40,000 years ago. A swarthy blue eyed peoples only entered Europe ten thousand years ago. Just when certain population in Siberia separated toward Europe and N Asia. So the idea that this relation is significant is wrong. Further, as makes sense the highest caste the Brahmins have more genetic affinity with the lower castes, than the knightly/warrior Kashastriya varna. Caste is a Iberian term misapplied to Indic society. Indians barely have a concept of race till the 20th century, thus the birth of Indian nationalism and not just rebellion against the Brits.
    Rahul has lost twenty straight elections, and his party holds 44 seats of 545 in the parliament. Only missionaries, jihadis, and marxists root for this dim wit.
  133. @bartok

    White women are the world’s beauty standard, the most desired, be it as hostesses in Japan or Saudi harems. But what do many of them do with these genetics? Toss them in the trash by out breeding
     
    This is empirically not true. White women are the race and sex of American least likely to out-breed, despite their strong political support for immigration and miscegenation. In their view, out-breeding is a great example of political progress, but in each of their individual cases they happen to decide to marry white guys only.

    On the other side, white men are politically opposed to immigration and miscegenation but in real life, will unhesitatingly out-breed if they can find an attractive and fertile asian or hispanic woman to marry.

    Yep.

    Unfortunately our easy/casual sex society makes it so that plenty of men will marry whichever girl will sleep with him. That’s not a good foundation for life-long marriage, which is largely about hard work, sacrifice, and forgiveness. One of the many reasons for our divorce-centric country.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Plenty of white men, perhaps.

    Black men don’t marry, period.
  134. @Johann Ricke

    We already have a search engine. It’s called Google. We don’t you you, nitwit.
     
    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD's contributions are invaluable.

    Unfortunately, too many commenters prefer to waste our time drawing conclusions from demonstrably false assertions rather than look things up. That is why AD’s contributions are invaluable.

    You think Art Deco is the word of God or something? He’s a preening prig. Does he ever ask a question? Thank somebody for a post? Reply to anyone with anything other than sneering condescension? He thinks he’s infallible. He’s an insufferable horse’s ass. If you think he’s “invaluable”, then you are probably a horse’s ass too.

  135. @anonymous
    Western women try to be become more Asian looking to but we don't frame it that way. Asians have smaller noses. White women undergo plastic surgery to reduce nose size. That's just a nose job though and not thought of as looking more Asian.

    Envy for Asian attributes among white women is pretty obvious from anyone who’s spent time around them. Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for “how to look half-Japanese” makeup tutorials, etc.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for “how to look half-Japanese” makeup tutorials, etc.

    But what is meant by 'Japanese'? The Anime Look? That is Japanese trying to look white.

    So, wouldn't that be whites trying to look like Asians trying to look white.

    It all gets confusing.
  136. @Numinous

    As a Westerner, insofar as I prefer India more Westernized and Christianized my own sympathies of course lie with the Congress Party
     
    And why would you prefer that? That'll guarantee a higher pull for Indian immigration into the US. More Hindu nationalism means more attachment to the homeland, more aversion to foreigners (Muslims as well as Westerners), and a disinclination to emigrate. Until not too long ago, there was an explicit taboo (especially among the higher castes) against leaving the sacred confines of the Indian subcontinent, which is why the oldest emigrants from India date to the mid-19th century.

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer "separateness" (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer “separateness” (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.

    As a pure abstraction that sounds logical. In practice, however, when we were still pushing Christianity and Westernization outside of the West, the West itself had higher TFRs *and* rather little trouble (relative to today) keeping the extreme “other” out, restricting outmarriage, etc.

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future. In one sense it is true to say that the former is more a function of the latter; however, the positive feedback loop therein should not be underestimated. A coping strategy to deliberately sabotage either of the former will not compensate a lack of the latter, but rather accelerate the decline.

    • Replies: @Numinous

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future.
     
    Well....no. Positive self-image and confidence in the future are correlated with success, which the Western world has had in droves in the recent past (Nazis and WW2 notwithstanding.) There's absolutely nothing in Christianity (or in any Abrahamic religion) that imparts more spiritual value to its adherents compared to Hinduism (or Buddhism for that matter), especially for people who are raised in the latter faiths. As for Western culture: if you consider classical liberalism to be part of it, it's rather fragile in its own right. Western populations (even Americans now) are not unwilling to elect strongmen to rule over them at the first signs of distress. If China keeps getting more prosperous and powerful, and if Western societies keep shedding off vestiges of liberalism, it's Sinic culture that's going to be correlated with "positive self-image and confidence in the future", and Western culture will be treated with suspicion outside the West. (I take no pleasure from saying this, as I am a liberal in the Enlightenment mold myself.)
  137. @Numinous
    (Vinay, I'm sure you know this, but this is for the benefit of others.)

    In India, fair skin in a marriage partner is indeed considered desirable, but such desirability stops at the borders of the subcontinent. If we exclude the miniscule number of "global" families like the Nuhru/Gandhis, Indians of all hues are VERY ethnocentric in their marital decisions. Virtually all Indian moms and pops would prefer their kids to marry a darker-skinned Indian than a white person (or light-skinned East Asian, for that matter.)

    That is changing and changing in a hurry as India globalizes and more Indians travel and live abroad and become less insular, and you can notice that the notional boundaries for Indian (light) color blindness is blurring. Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads

    • Replies: @Numinous

    Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads
     
    Only as extras. Notice who the lead "actresses" (dancers really) are. Still the lightest-skinned Indian chicks they can find.
  138. @ia
    Such is the way of the world. When non-white men become rich enough the universal desire for white women is satisfied.

    Sure, if you are one to prefer promiscuous whores, and you got the loot to buy them… sure, why not.

    • Replies: @ia

    Sure, if you are one to prefer promiscuous whores, and you got the loot to buy them… sure, why not.
     
    It's going to be real interesting to see how things go with this Travis Smiley fellow. My hunch is white women are covering up the extremely high levels of sexual demands placed on them by black men in positions of authority.
  139. @rec1man
    Modi has no kids

    His likely successor is Yogi Adityanath ( a sort of Hindu bishop ) , celibate

    Impotent leaders of a nation which fancies itself a superpower. Go figure.

    Anyway, all hindus should henceforth follow the great examples of their limp leaders, abandon their wives, and/or become yogis.

    Can you imagine the potential market for personal, ahem, massagers?

  140. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Canadian Observer
    The Ismaili Centre in Toronto is also very posh and nice. If all Muslims were like them, there would be no problems.

    If all Muslims were like them

    There is an implication in there, which requires a correction. Ismailis are not Muslims. If that is the ingredient which makes them “peaceful,” then fair enough. But, let’s be clear, they are not Muslim. They are like all the other pagan polytheists out there. The commonality helps with their assimilation.

    there would be no problems.

    Yup, lot easier to be peaceful when nobody is trying to dispossess you of your homes, bombing you to smithereens, lynching you, …

    • Replies: @Anon
    Shia are not Muslim? You got a sheikh to back you up on that one?

    Yup, lot easier to be peaceful when nobody is trying to dispossess you of your homes, bombing you to smithereens, lynching you, …
     
    Yeah, I wonder how the Paki Christians manage it.
  141. @Hail

    Indians ( hindus ) vote BJP as the only means of keeping muslims under check
     
    India nearing 1,350m pop.
    82% Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh = 1,110m Hindus and kindred
    14% Muslim = 190m Muslims
    TFR: 2.2 / higher for Muslims

    Pakistan nearing 200m pop.
    2% Hindu = 4m Hindus
    97% Muslim = 194m Muslims
    TFR: 3.0

    Bangladesh nearing 170m pop.
    9% Hindu = 15m Hindus
    90% Muslim = 153m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Nepal nearing 30m pop.
    90% Hindu and Buddhist = 27m Hindus and kindred
    <5% Muslim = 1m Muslims
    TFR: 2.1

    Sri Lanka at 22m pop.
    83% Buddhist and Hindu (conflating these two in case of Sri Lanka problematic) = 18m
    10% Muslim = 2m
    TFR: 2.0

    SOUTH ASIA
    1,174m : Hindus
    540m : Muslims
    (40m : Christians?)

    This is only a two-to-one advantage now, and declining due to Pakistan's still-high fertility.

    I say this as a well-wishing outsider who has never been to any of the countries above mentioned, but...surely there cannot be an India/Hindustan without a healthy Hindu supermajority. At least the Indian state itself still has that supermajority but the demographics are getting less favorable (See Hindu-to-Muslim Population Ratio in India, 1951-2011)...

    ________________________

    If you will forgive an analogy to Europe: This precarious Hindu majority situation is, perhaps, similar to Bismarck's predicament in trying to build a 'Germany' in the 19th century. Bismarck knew such a state, a 'Germany,' needed a large, healthy, vigorous Protestant majority to be politically viable. The ever-practical Bismarck deliberately excluded millions of Germans of the Catholic religion. This is why 'Austria' exists still today, and has been separate from 'Germany' (except 1938-1945). Bismarck never made any attempt to bring in Catholic Vienna to the new Germany, even though he could have.

    Bismarck was not a pan-German nationalist. He was a genius of statesmanship, and where a lesser political mind would have grabbed up the weakened and discredited "Austrian Empire's" Catholic core areas of German tongue and more, Bismarck reasoned that their Catholic political identity would hurt the cohesion of the new state. Not to mention the 'variety' of other peoples on 'Austrian' coattails at the time (including the very worst kind of religious minority to have in your state, in the grand review of history as I see it: the Muslim).

    Take in too many 'Austrians,' and the German Reich would decline from a healthy 75% Protestant supermajority to, depending on how many 'Austrians' and ethnic-nonGermans-on-Austrian-coattails (Czechs, for one) would be taken in, Germany might lose its Protestant majority, and thus become rudderless, with an unclear position in the European world, perhaps -- which was, of course, usual for Germany in most periods until Bismarck (and also since 1945), a plaything for foreign powers, an ideological battleground -- the whole point which Bismarck had to avoid in his 'German' state-building project.

    The parallel to Hindu-Muslim relations in South Asia and 1947 partition seems valid.

    Bismarck had enough problems with domestic Catholics on the fringes of the new German Reich, a share of whom were ethnic-Poles (who have since melted into the German population; Angela Merkel is 1/4 Polish); even those with a claim to longtime ancestry on the fringes of German world [south Bavaria and parts of the Rhineland], many German Catholics had a sullen, minority political identity within the German state, which gave birth to the so-called "Center Party" (for which around half of Germany's Catholics voted and near zero Protestants voted). The Center Party was a direct ancestor of what would become the CDU, which has always dominated the West German state (hence Pastor Niemoller's late-1940s and 1950s famous criticism of 'West Germany' as a "Catholic state conceived in Rome and born in Washington;" hence the historically relatively low rates of Protestants in the CDU; right-wing Protestants were behind other parties in Germany, but, in fact, Protestants were largely politically dispossessed by the three-way partition of Germany in 1945 and its consequences.

    (including the very worst kind of religious minority to have in your state, in the grand review of history as I see it: the Muslim).

    LOL!

    Good luck with the whole pagan polytheist human worshipping cult thing.

  142. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Envy for Asian attributes among white women is pretty obvious from anyone who's spent time around them. Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for "how to look half-Japanese" makeup tutorials, etc.

    Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for “how to look half-Japanese” makeup tutorials, etc.

    But what is meant by ‘Japanese’? The Anime Look? That is Japanese trying to look white.

    So, wouldn’t that be whites trying to look like Asians trying to look white.

    It all gets confusing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Its for a triangular-ish face to emphasize pointed chin(seen as feminine) and almond eyes, which arguably is East Asian but realistically is just a fantastic conception. It is, though, a Japanese ideal for women prior to anime.

    Beyond that though is the ease of slenderness, etc, which I'm sure you've heard if you've been around women. Of course, Japanese women don't tend to have large breasts but that's not something typically noticed by those envying them. Selective blindness and all.
  143. @anonymous

    If all Muslims were like them
     
    There is an implication in there, which requires a correction. Ismailis are not Muslims. If that is the ingredient which makes them "peaceful," then fair enough. But, let's be clear, they are not Muslim. They are like all the other pagan polytheists out there. The commonality helps with their assimilation.

    there would be no problems.
     
    Yup, lot easier to be peaceful when nobody is trying to dispossess you of your homes, bombing you to smithereens, lynching you, ...

    Shia are not Muslim? You got a sheikh to back you up on that one?

    Yup, lot easier to be peaceful when nobody is trying to dispossess you of your homes, bombing you to smithereens, lynching you, …

    Yeah, I wonder how the Paki Christians manage it.

  144. @Clyde

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
     
    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it's an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese "Chosen People" will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
     

    He’s not Han. Your rambles are misplaced.

    The Japanese are incapable of changing the world, at any rate. We have had our chance and demonstrated a lack of will to sacrifice everything, including our identity, to become a power. The Han, for their part, have and if it involves mass self-destruction, its notable nonetheless that they’ve show a spirit to embrace the future no matter the cost.

    We, on the other hand, can’t seem to escape stagnation.

  145. The addition to the rent-free space I’ve been occupying in someone’s head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The addition to the rent-free space I’ve been occupying in someone’s head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.
     
    Said the man who never agrees with anyone.

    You don't occupy space in anyone's head. You are merely a public annoyance - like a clogged toilet. Okay - that is kind of occupying space in a head.

    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    , @Mr. Anon
    He didn't say that he "agreed with you". He said you are "invaluable" - a ridiculous assertion. You are hardly "invaluable". People like you - smug pedants with delusions of omniscience - are a dime-a-dozen on the internet.
  146. @Dot Not Feather
    The Nehrus are a textbook example of the "rootless cosmopolitan." They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab ("The emergency") which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can't get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    Interesting overview, thanks.

  147. @Clyde

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
     
    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it's an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese "Chosen People" will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
     

    The Japs could never out-Mao Mao, but they were no slouches in the slaughtering department:
    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

    Sadly, a once-mighty warrior race has been thoroughly gelded:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html

  148. @Dot Not Feather
    The Nehrus are a textbook example of the "rootless cosmopolitan." They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab ("The emergency") which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can't get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian.

    No. She married Robert Vadra, who is Indian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vadra

    • Replies: @Numinous
    It's like Jared and Ivanka with the genders reversed.
  149. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Thus the popularity on Youtube and various other portals for “how to look half-Japanese” makeup tutorials, etc.

    But what is meant by 'Japanese'? The Anime Look? That is Japanese trying to look white.

    So, wouldn't that be whites trying to look like Asians trying to look white.

    It all gets confusing.

    Its for a triangular-ish face to emphasize pointed chin(seen as feminine) and almond eyes, which arguably is East Asian but realistically is just a fantastic conception. It is, though, a Japanese ideal for women prior to anime.

    Beyond that though is the ease of slenderness, etc, which I’m sure you’ve heard if you’ve been around women. Of course, Japanese women don’t tend to have large breasts but that’s not something typically noticed by those envying them. Selective blindness and all.

  150. @1661er
    But Jonanthan Mason was talking about people marry into the family. If you including people who married into/divorce from Kennedys, you have the multi-terms governors of two important/large states.(CA/NY)

    It’s doubtful a Kennedy connection was consequential for either. The Cuomo’s were already well-established in New York, for example.

  151. @Clyde

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
     
    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it's an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese "Chosen People" will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
     

    You pork eating, Han Chinese “Chosen People” will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts.

    I do love to eat pork belly and Carolina-style BBQ, but I’m afraid I am not Chinese, Han or otherwise. And I’ve practiced Judo for forty years.

    So I urge you stop theses dumb characterizations.

  152. @Jonathan Mason
    It is all rather similar to politics in the US where a few families such as the Kennedys, Bushes, and Clintons have contenders for national office in each generation, so it behooves ambitious young politicians to marry into these families to obtain instant brand recognition and access to fund raising.

    Probably one of the young Obamas will be mated with a Kennedy scion to produce photogenic, electable heirs.

    Electable, sadly, maybe.

    But we must have very different conceptions of “photogenic.”

  153. @stillCARealist
    Yep.

    Unfortunately our easy/casual sex society makes it so that plenty of men will marry whichever girl will sleep with him. That's not a good foundation for life-long marriage, which is largely about hard work, sacrifice, and forgiveness. One of the many reasons for our divorce-centric country.

    Plenty of white men, perhaps.

    Black men don’t marry, period.

  154. @edgeslider
    That is changing and changing in a hurry as India globalizes and more Indians travel and live abroad and become less insular, and you can notice that the notional boundaries for Indian (light) color blindness is blurring. Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads

    Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads

    Only as extras. Notice who the lead “actresses” (dancers really) are. Still the lightest-skinned Indian chicks they can find.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    I don't know. The most famous appears to be Priyanka Chopra, who is not lighter than average for Indians.

    From what I understand, she was the top actress in India before crossing over to more gigs in the US.

  155. @Art Deco
    The addition to the rent-free space I've been occupying in someone's head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.

    The addition to the rent-free space I’ve been occupying in someone’s head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.

    Said the man who never agrees with anyone.

    You don’t occupy space in anyone’s head. You are merely a public annoyance – like a clogged toilet. Okay – that is kind of occupying space in a head.

    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.
  156. @Nico

    To people on this forum, who overwhelmingly prefer “separateness” (the Boers would use a different word) on an international scale, less Christianity and an aversion to Westernization in non-Western countries ought to be preferable by your own logic.
     
    As a pure abstraction that sounds logical. In practice, however, when we were still pushing Christianity and Westernization outside of the West, the West itself had higher TFRs *and* rather little trouble (relative to today) keeping the extreme "other" out, restricting outmarriage, etc.

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future. In one sense it is true to say that the former is more a function of the latter; however, the positive feedback loop therein should not be underestimated. A coping strategy to deliberately sabotage either of the former will not compensate a lack of the latter, but rather accelerate the decline.

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future.

    Well….no. Positive self-image and confidence in the future are correlated with success, which the Western world has had in droves in the recent past (Nazis and WW2 notwithstanding.) There’s absolutely nothing in Christianity (or in any Abrahamic religion) that imparts more spiritual value to its adherents compared to Hinduism (or Buddhism for that matter), especially for people who are raised in the latter faiths. As for Western culture: if you consider classical liberalism to be part of it, it’s rather fragile in its own right. Western populations (even Americans now) are not unwilling to elect strongmen to rule over them at the first signs of distress. If China keeps getting more prosperous and powerful, and if Western societies keep shedding off vestiges of liberalism, it’s Sinic culture that’s going to be correlated with “positive self-image and confidence in the future”, and Western culture will be treated with suspicion outside the West. (I take no pleasure from saying this, as I am a liberal in the Enlightenment mold myself.)

    • Replies: @Nico

    Positive self-image and confidence in the future are correlated with success
     
    I agree, but which causes which? Whatever gets the ball rolling, it seems to me there is a great deal of a positive feedback loop in that arena. Also "success" can be defined more than one way (financial, reproductive, even spiritual, though maybe this latter doesn't speak to you).

    There’s absolutely nothing in Christianity (or in any Abrahamic religion) that imparts more spiritual value to its adherents compared to Hinduism (or Buddhism for that matter), especially for people who are raised in the latter faiths.
     
    We clearly have differing views on this point and I'm not sure simply stating our positions as such will get us too far. However, I will say that even if I were inclined to think that Christianity qua Christianity added no value I would at least for selfish reasons appreciate the practical advantage in values and communication for the interests of *my* kind as, for example, could be seen on those occasions when Western POWs in the Pacific owed their survival to the intervention of their few Japanese fellow Christians.

    If China keeps getting more prosperous and powerful, and if Western societies keep shedding off vestiges of liberalism, it’s Sinic culture that’s going to be correlated with “positive self-image and confidence in the future”, and Western culture will be treated with suspicion outside the West. (I take no pleasure from saying this, as I am a liberal in the Enlightenment mold myself.)
     
    The thing is, one reason for the retreat of liberalism is the rejection of universalism in favor of postmodern relativism. The liberalism of the 19th century saw superior races as having a civilizing mission to the inferior ones.

    You are correct that the rise of the nationalist and populist currents in the right wings of Western political spectra smacks of a far-Oriental current: the positions of Pat Buchanan, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Nigel Farange as well as their counterparts elsewhere are very analogous to those of mainstay right-wing factions (Chinese Kuomintang, Japanese LDP, Vietnamese Personalism) in East Asia. For the time being these parties more consciously reject "globalism" than universalism as such but they do attract thought-architects whose conservatism is more perennialist/pagan (and attraction to Christianity limited at most to a national confessionalist program)than "traditional" so to speak.

    I have many more thoughts on the matter but I must return to the grindstone for now.
  157. @Thomm

    and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian.
     
    No. She married Robert Vadra, who is Indian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vadra

    It’s like Jared and Ivanka with the genders reversed.

  158. @Art Deco
    The addition to the rent-free space I've been occupying in someone's head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.

    He didn’t say that he “agreed with you”. He said you are “invaluable” – a ridiculous assertion. You are hardly “invaluable”. People like you – smug pedants with delusions of omniscience – are a dime-a-dozen on the internet.

  159. @Numinous

    Bollywood seems to be importing all manner of white euro models and actresses by the plane loads
     
    Only as extras. Notice who the lead "actresses" (dancers really) are. Still the lightest-skinned Indian chicks they can find.

    I don’t know. The most famous appears to be Priyanka Chopra, who is not lighter than average for Indians.

    From what I understand, she was the top actress in India before crossing over to more gigs in the US.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    You are right. I meant to emphasize the "Indian" part, not the "lightest-skinned". The point being that Bollywood still prefers its stars and starlets to be Indian, even though it likes using white girls as eye candy. The major Indian cricket league (IPL) uses white cheerleaders (mostly from South Africa is what I've heard) for the same reason.
  160. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    When I was a young man living in Panama the head the nation, Omar Torrijos, died in a mysterious plane crash that was deemed to be an accident.

    I don't know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation. But there have been lots of “mysterious” deaths in aircraft crashes involving people at or near the top of politics around the world. I’d restrict it to political figures because plenty of military leaders have to fly into perilous situations as part of their work and in conditions less than ideal for safe landing and takeoff, let alone enemy fire. But inconvenient popular members of the elite (think Camilo Cienfuegos in Cuba) do seem to have a disproportionate amount of bad luck in the air. Perhaps there’s a study?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.
    , @Twinkie

    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation.
     
    There is a substantial difference in accident/fatalities rates between scheduled airline service and general aviation. The latter is much more hazardous than the former. See: https://www.livescience.com/49701-private-planes-safety.html
  161. @Cortes
    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation. But there have been lots of “mysterious” deaths in aircraft crashes involving people at or near the top of politics around the world. I’d restrict it to political figures because plenty of military leaders have to fly into perilous situations as part of their work and in conditions less than ideal for safe landing and takeoff, let alone enemy fire. But inconvenient popular members of the elite (think Camilo Cienfuegos in Cuba) do seem to have a disproportionate amount of bad luck in the air. Perhaps there’s a study?

    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Agreed regarding deaths in small, light aircraft.

    Other people who could be considered vulnerable are business leaders. Here’s a piece (in French) about the death of Christophe de Margerie, head honcho of the French oil company Total at the moment when the mega LNG gas terminal facility at Sabetta on the northern Yamal Peninsula was agreed with the Russian authorities:

    http://m.leplus.nouvelobs.com/contribution/1507292-accident-ou-attentat-j-ai-enquete-sur-la-vie-et-la-mort-de-christophe-de-margerie.html?xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fthesaker.is%2Frussia-opens-a-mega-project-in-the-arctic%2F#http://thesaker.is/russia-opens-a-mega-project-in-the-arctic/

    The article suggests that there was some kind of obfuscation to distract attention from the death, in particular that the guy blamed (a snow plough driver) would’ve been nowhere near the plane as it was raining at the time. It goes on to suggest parallels with the death of the Italian magnate Enrico Mattei.

    FYI
    , @Anonymous
    The Kashmir Princess - Air India plane that went down due to a bomb in 1955. Intended target with Zhou Enlai, the number 2 man in Red China.

    Turned out to be a Taiwanese/US plot.
    , @PiltdownMan

    A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes...
     
    So many, in fact, that Wikipedia has a table (not comprehensive).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_involving_sports_teams
    , @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

     

    In the early days of flight, entertainers were among the few who flew. Flight was expensive and deadly. Like cancer and obesity, it was a rich man's way to die.

    Tamara Drasin died and Jane Froman was seriously injured in 1943 when the wing tip of their Pan Am Boeing 314 Clipper clipped the Tagus River upon descent at Lisbon. Apparently the pilot was just showing off.

    Cary Grant, future senator George Murphy, and comedy writer and producer Hal Block all missed that flight. Most or all of the passengers were with the USO.

    http://uproxx.com/tv/9-stars-who-escaped-death/

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/10-lucky-celebrities-who-escaped-disaster-180947668/?no-ist=&page=2
  162. @Steve Sailer
    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    Agreed regarding deaths in small, light aircraft.

    Other people who could be considered vulnerable are business leaders. Here’s a piece (in French) about the death of Christophe de Margerie, head honcho of the French oil company Total at the moment when the mega LNG gas terminal facility at Sabetta on the northern Yamal Peninsula was agreed with the Russian authorities:

    http://m.leplus.nouvelobs.com/contribution/1507292-accident-ou-attentat-j-ai-enquete-sur-la-vie-et-la-mort-de-christophe-de-margerie.html?xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fthesaker.is%2Frussia-opens-a-mega-project-in-the-arctic%2F#http://thesaker.is/russia-opens-a-mega-project-in-the-arctic/

    The article suggests that there was some kind of obfuscation to distract attention from the death, in particular that the guy blamed (a snow plough driver) would’ve been nowhere near the plane as it was raining at the time. It goes on to suggest parallels with the death of the Italian magnate Enrico Mattei.

    FYI

  163. @Thomm
    I don't know. The most famous appears to be Priyanka Chopra, who is not lighter than average for Indians.

    From what I understand, she was the top actress in India before crossing over to more gigs in the US.

    You are right. I meant to emphasize the “Indian” part, not the “lightest-skinned”. The point being that Bollywood still prefers its stars and starlets to be Indian, even though it likes using white girls as eye candy. The major Indian cricket league (IPL) uses white cheerleaders (mostly from South Africa is what I’ve heard) for the same reason.

  164. @Cortes
    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation. But there have been lots of “mysterious” deaths in aircraft crashes involving people at or near the top of politics around the world. I’d restrict it to political figures because plenty of military leaders have to fly into perilous situations as part of their work and in conditions less than ideal for safe landing and takeoff, let alone enemy fire. But inconvenient popular members of the elite (think Camilo Cienfuegos in Cuba) do seem to have a disproportionate amount of bad luck in the air. Perhaps there’s a study?

    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation.

    There is a substantial difference in accident/fatalities rates between scheduled airline service and general aviation. The latter is much more hazardous than the former. See: https://www.livescience.com/49701-private-planes-safety.html

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Many thanks for the linked article. Very interesting.

    An Australian with decades of experience flying his own single engine planes over the outback told me a few years ago that he believed that twin engine private plane owners skimped on maintenance in the belief that they always had a backup. He also said that he would never get into a helicopter.

    (His wife, my aunt, told us that she’d never get into his plane again. Too nerve racking.)
  165. @Numinous

    The reason is that the ability to impose Western culture and religion and the capacity to grow demographically is directly correlated with positive self-image and confidence in the future.
     
    Well....no. Positive self-image and confidence in the future are correlated with success, which the Western world has had in droves in the recent past (Nazis and WW2 notwithstanding.) There's absolutely nothing in Christianity (or in any Abrahamic religion) that imparts more spiritual value to its adherents compared to Hinduism (or Buddhism for that matter), especially for people who are raised in the latter faiths. As for Western culture: if you consider classical liberalism to be part of it, it's rather fragile in its own right. Western populations (even Americans now) are not unwilling to elect strongmen to rule over them at the first signs of distress. If China keeps getting more prosperous and powerful, and if Western societies keep shedding off vestiges of liberalism, it's Sinic culture that's going to be correlated with "positive self-image and confidence in the future", and Western culture will be treated with suspicion outside the West. (I take no pleasure from saying this, as I am a liberal in the Enlightenment mold myself.)

    Positive self-image and confidence in the future are correlated with success

    I agree, but which causes which? Whatever gets the ball rolling, it seems to me there is a great deal of a positive feedback loop in that arena. Also “success” can be defined more than one way (financial, reproductive, even spiritual, though maybe this latter doesn’t speak to you).

    There’s absolutely nothing in Christianity (or in any Abrahamic religion) that imparts more spiritual value to its adherents compared to Hinduism (or Buddhism for that matter), especially for people who are raised in the latter faiths.

    We clearly have differing views on this point and I’m not sure simply stating our positions as such will get us too far. However, I will say that even if I were inclined to think that Christianity qua Christianity added no value I would at least for selfish reasons appreciate the practical advantage in values and communication for the interests of *my* kind as, for example, could be seen on those occasions when Western POWs in the Pacific owed their survival to the intervention of their few Japanese fellow Christians.

    If China keeps getting more prosperous and powerful, and if Western societies keep shedding off vestiges of liberalism, it’s Sinic culture that’s going to be correlated with “positive self-image and confidence in the future”, and Western culture will be treated with suspicion outside the West. (I take no pleasure from saying this, as I am a liberal in the Enlightenment mold myself.)

    The thing is, one reason for the retreat of liberalism is the rejection of universalism in favor of postmodern relativism. The liberalism of the 19th century saw superior races as having a civilizing mission to the inferior ones.

    You are correct that the rise of the nationalist and populist currents in the right wings of Western political spectra smacks of a far-Oriental current: the positions of Pat Buchanan, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Nigel Farange as well as their counterparts elsewhere are very analogous to those of mainstay right-wing factions (Chinese Kuomintang, Japanese LDP, Vietnamese Personalism) in East Asia. For the time being these parties more consciously reject “globalism” than universalism as such but they do attract thought-architects whose conservatism is more perennialist/pagan (and attraction to Christianity limited at most to a national confessionalist program)than “traditional” so to speak.

    I have many more thoughts on the matter but I must return to the grindstone for now.

  166. @Steve Sailer
    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    The Kashmir Princess – Air India plane that went down due to a bomb in 1955. Intended target with Zhou Enlai, the number 2 man in Red China.

    Turned out to be a Taiwanese/US plot.

  167. @Steve Sailer
    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes…

    So many, in fact, that Wikipedia has a table (not comprehensive).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_involving_sports_teams

  168. @Twinkie

    Lots of statistics about how safe air travel is in comparison with road transportation.
     
    There is a substantial difference in accident/fatalities rates between scheduled airline service and general aviation. The latter is much more hazardous than the former. See: https://www.livescience.com/49701-private-planes-safety.html

    Many thanks for the linked article. Very interesting.

    An Australian with decades of experience flying his own single engine planes over the outback told me a few years ago that he believed that twin engine private plane owners skimped on maintenance in the belief that they always had a backup. He also said that he would never get into a helicopter.

    (His wife, my aunt, told us that she’d never get into his plane again. Too nerve racking.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I should note the corollary to the fact that GenAv is far more accident-prone than commercial scheduled airlines - GenAv is easier to sabotage.

    He also said that he would never get into a helicopter.
     
    When you are medevac'd, you don't get a choice! :)

    I have a cousin who flew a helo for the Navy in the GWOT (since retired) and ferried SOCOM ninjas into hostile areas multiple times. As he says, a helo is not aerodynamic and takes a lot to keep it afloat in the air. I take his word, but strictly from a passenger's point of view, I'd rather get a ride on a helo than do a para-drop, especially in darkness. :)
  169. @anonymous
    Sure, if you are one to prefer promiscuous whores, and you got the loot to buy them... sure, why not.

    Sure, if you are one to prefer promiscuous whores, and you got the loot to buy them… sure, why not.

    It’s going to be real interesting to see how things go with this Travis Smiley fellow. My hunch is white women are covering up the extremely high levels of sexual demands placed on them by black men in positions of authority.

  170. @Mr. Anon

    The addition to the rent-free space I’ve been occupying in someone’s head is now complete and is set aside for those who occasionally agree with me.
     
    Said the man who never agrees with anyone.

    You don't occupy space in anyone's head. You are merely a public annoyance - like a clogged toilet. Okay - that is kind of occupying space in a head.

    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.
     
    Yours' is evident to everyone here everytime you post.

    You have a strange air of superiority for one of such obviously limited talents.
  171. @Thomm

    I’m confused… is this party about head, or full congress?
     
    The party's name is 'Indian National Congress'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress

    But the last time they had power, the Prime Minister was Manmohan Singh, an 80-year old Sikh.

    The legislative body in India is a parliament (like in Britain), and is not called a 'Congress' like in America.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/congress

    Check out the higher-number definitions, which get increasingly intimate.

  172. @Art Deco
    By the way, too gutless to reply to your critics directly?

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.

    Yours’ is evident to everyone here everytime you post.

    You have a strange air of superiority for one of such obviously limited talents.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.

     

    Yours’ is evident to everyone here everytime you post.

     

    Is that superfluous apostrophe supposed to represent your own mesodigit in ascent?
  173. @Cortes
    Many thanks for the linked article. Very interesting.

    An Australian with decades of experience flying his own single engine planes over the outback told me a few years ago that he believed that twin engine private plane owners skimped on maintenance in the belief that they always had a backup. He also said that he would never get into a helicopter.

    (His wife, my aunt, told us that she’d never get into his plane again. Too nerve racking.)

    I should note the corollary to the fact that GenAv is far more accident-prone than commercial scheduled airlines – GenAv is easier to sabotage.

    He also said that he would never get into a helicopter.

    When you are medevac’d, you don’t get a choice! 🙂

    I have a cousin who flew a helo for the Navy in the GWOT (since retired) and ferried SOCOM ninjas into hostile areas multiple times. As he says, a helo is not aerodynamic and takes a lot to keep it afloat in the air. I take his word, but strictly from a passenger’s point of view, I’d rather get a ride on a helo than do a para-drop, especially in darkness. 🙂

  174. @Bill
    Wait, a plastic surgeon telling lies to make his product appear more socially acceptable? This is the first time ever that has happened, right?

    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Do you know any humans, Twinkie?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.

     

    I don't care for the vanity cases either, but they may be what make the mercy cases possible. The latter take experience and funds which have to come from somewhere.
  175. @Dot Not Feather
    The Nehrus are a textbook example of the "rootless cosmopolitan." They were Kashmiri Brahmins but rose to prominence in the last days of the Mughal empire and have lived outside Kashmir for the past three centuries. To the extent that Jawaharlal Nehru had any Indian culture at all it was Muslim/Urdu/ oriented not particularly Hindu/Sanskrit.

    Jawaharlal himself was famously more English than the English. When his daughter Indira married against his wishes, he was more worried about the political fallout than any caste considerations.

    Feroze Gandhis actual name was Feroze Khan. When he married Indira, he was convinced to change his name to something more palatable to Hindus (He was a Parsi alright but Khan is typically Muslim.) and to encourage confusion with the unrelated Mahatma.

    Indira Gandhi always found it hard to conceal her contempt for the common Indian people and actually tried a third-world style power grab ("The emergency") which Indian democracy managed to survive but her heavy-handed treatment of the Sikhs led to her assassination. Her son and chosen successor Sanjay would have been more of the same but he died as you mentioned.

    So the second son Rajiv was appointed crown prince. He was also assassinated in office this time by a Tamil militant. His wife was Italian and his other child, daughter Priyanka has also married an Italian. Meanwhile Sanjays wife and son, shut out of the family business are now making careers in Congresses rival BJP party.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will. Or perhaps the Hilary Clinton because senior figures in Congress know the Gandhis are a liability but they can't get rid of them. Thus the latest laughable attempt to rebrand him as a Brahmin despite being less Hindu than a Big Mac.

    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will.

    One of Rahul’s degrees is from Cambridge. The smart money says his general intelligence is adequate. As for Jeb Bush, he isn’t suffering any intellectual deficits and had a satisfactory career in banking and real estate before entering politics. His tenure as Governor of Florida was not notably troubled.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    One of Rahul’s degrees is from Cambridge. The smart money says his general intelligence is adequate
     
    Adequate intelligence goes a long way in India. Superior knowledge goes even further, or farther-- to London, or California.
  176. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    When I was a young man living in Panama the head the nation, Omar Torrijos, died in a mysterious plane crash that was deemed to be an accident.

    I don't know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    I shared a ride across the isthmus in 1979 with a green beret from the School of the Americas who claimed some of his teammates entered Omars house and left a message saying “we can do this any time we want”. When Torrijos died in 1981 I thought, ah, stinger practice.

  177. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    When I was a young man living in Panama the head the nation, Omar Torrijos, died in a mysterious plane crash that was deemed to be an accident.

    I don't know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    I don’t know if it has any validity, but most Panamanian believed that it was no accident and that the CIA played a role.

    People invest in all sorts of inane notions, one being that the CIA would assassinate Torrijos a propos of nothing in particular. He wasn’t up to anything peculiarly troublesome in 1981 and the U.S. government had had businesslike dealings with him for the previous dozen years.

  178. @Twinkie
    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.

    Do you know any humans, Twinkie?

  179. @Mr. Anon

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.
     
    Yours' is evident to everyone here everytime you post.

    You have a strange air of superiority for one of such obviously limited talents.

    Cannot be bothered with your upraised middle finger. I seen it before.

    Yours’ is evident to everyone here everytime you post.

    Is that superfluous apostrophe supposed to represent your own mesodigit in ascent?

  180. @Twinkie
    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.

    I doubt most plastic surgeons doing cosmetic procedures care about “social acceptance” of his services. If they were, they’d be fixing cleft lips on poor kids, not doing rhinoplasty and double eyelids.

    I don’t care for the vanity cases either, but they may be what make the mercy cases possible. The latter take experience and funds which have to come from somewhere.

  181. @Steve Sailer
    You could compare it to sports figure deaths since athletes are finite in number. A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    A lot of athletes and entertainers died in plane crashes, although that seems to be in decline in this century. A retired pitcher died in a private plane crash recently, but that is less common than it used to be.

    In the early days of flight, entertainers were among the few who flew. Flight was expensive and deadly. Like cancer and obesity, it was a rich man’s way to die.

    Tamara Drasin died and Jane Froman was seriously injured in 1943 when the wing tip of their Pan Am Boeing 314 Clipper clipped the Tagus River upon descent at Lisbon. Apparently the pilot was just showing off.

    Cary Grant, future senator George Murphy, and comedy writer and producer Hal Block all missed that flight. Most or all of the passengers were with the USO.

    http://uproxx.com/tv/9-stars-who-escaped-death/

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/10-lucky-celebrities-who-escaped-disaster-180947668/?no-ist=&page=2

  182. @Art Deco
    And thus we come to Rahul. The biggest problem is that he is a complete fucking idiot who nobody likes with nothing to commend him but his lineage. The !Jeb! Bush of India if you will.

    One of Rahul's degrees is from Cambridge. The smart money says his general intelligence is adequate. As for Jeb Bush, he isn't suffering any intellectual deficits and had a satisfactory career in banking and real estate before entering politics. His tenure as Governor of Florida was not notably troubled.

    One of Rahul’s degrees is from Cambridge. The smart money says his general intelligence is adequate

    Adequate intelligence goes a long way in India. Superior knowledge goes even further, or farther– to London, or California.

  183. @Clyde

    But let me repeat – the preference for big eyes (“double eyelids”) or, for that matter such phenotypical features as tallness in men and paleness in women *PREDATE* Western influence in East Asia. Do you understand?
     
    So, so fine that it predates Western beauty standards coming into play. And today it's an East-West mix of aspirations. And such vituperation! You pork eating, Han Chinese "Chosen People" will never be The Man. The Japanese are! More refined, superior creation myth, superior martial arts. The Japanese never bred a crazy ass, mass murdering Mao Tse Tung, 60 million killed and counting.

    Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

    For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
     

    This preference for light skin has little to do with racial concepts. In the Chinese context all this indicates is that Northern tribes were lighter skinned and differentiated from the darker Southern Kingdoms. The center of Chinese has only slowly moved northwards. Second, dark skin implies Manual Labor in agricultural societies. So light skin implies refinement. Why was lighter skin preferred in England, which is pasty white to begin with?
    To the racial classifications in India. North Indians show a commonality with European populations over 40,000 years ago. A swarthy blue eyed peoples only entered Europe ten thousand years ago. Just when certain population in Siberia separated toward Europe and N Asia. So the idea that this relation is significant is wrong. Further, as makes sense the highest caste the Brahmins have more genetic affinity with the lower castes, than the knightly/warrior Kashastriya varna. Caste is a Iberian term misapplied to Indic society. Indians barely have a concept of race till the 20th century, thus the birth of Indian nationalism and not just rebellion against the Brits.
    Rahul has lost twenty straight elections, and his party holds 44 seats of 545 in the parliament. Only missionaries, jihadis, and marxists root for this dim wit.

  184. @Thomm
    Look up 'Indo-Greek kingdoms' on Wikipedia (someone else posted a link).

    It was in the first two centuries BC (180 BC to 10 AD). Note that this was long before Islam. Hence, there was a Greco-Indian style Kingdom in what is today Pakistan and North India.

    Watch the film 'The Man Who Would be King' with Sean Connery and Michael Caine.

    The Indo Greek kingdoms had too few peoples of Greek extractions. This attempt to link the Balda and afghans to the Greeks has been shown to be way off base. Remember the supposedly? Caucasian mummies of the Tarim Basin had green eyes and some had red hair. Further, they used Bramhi script. Sure there is some mixing everywhere but its slower and more local, but Alexander probably never saw Kashmir except passing it’s outer mountain ranges. Further, the population of these Indo greek kingdoms was not primarily greek and the dates above don’t describe how quickly they collapsed. Xenophon and Megasthanes are decent ancient sources. Also genetic work shows Indians and Europeans have no genetic relations within the last almost 40,000 years. Egypt is united 6000 BC.

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