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From the New York Times:

White-on-White Voting

Thomas B. Edsall NOV. 16, 2017

Dravosburg, Pa. is a small — population 1,746 — working-class suburb that lies along the Monongahela River 10 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. If we want to understand what actually propelled Donald Trump to victory last November, presidential voting patterns there provide a vital clue.

In 2012, Dravosburg backed Barack Obama over Mitt Romney 441 to 312, or 53.4 percent to 44.8 percent.

Four years later, the men and women of Dravosburg abandoned their Democratic loyalties and backed Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, 56.3 to 41.1.

What is so interesting about this working-class community, with its strong ties to organized labor? It is one of thousands of white enclaves across the nation that provided Trump with his margin of victory.

The election of Donald Trump revealed that in some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs — Trump did far better than Romney had done four years earlier.

How dare they show concern for their children?

The 2016 results suggest that residents of a diminishing number of decisively white American towns and small cities — even those which supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 — can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration.

None of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — especially those in the Trump-voting Midwest — is immune.

This virus of white communities who would vote for Barack Obama over Mitt Romney but Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton must be eradicated diversificated.

… Trump clearly inflamed and mobilized white voters living in these circumstances. Neither Romney nor John McCain, the previous two Republican nominees, campaigned on racially freighted issues and neither produced the same pattern of support.

Best of all, Romney and McCain lost.

When I look back at the 2016 election, what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

How many last gasps can the nation tolerate out of these “super-white” Obama-Trump swing voters?

The horror! The horror! … Exterminate all the brutes!

Joseph Conrad/Hunter S. Thompson

It’s okay to be white.

 
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  1. CK says:

    Consider for a moment the other 16 men that wanted the republican nomination to gracefully lose to Mrs. Clinton. All of them were career republican pols. Mr. Edsall is sad that the primary voters chose not to threepete with another guaranteed loser. If time has dimmed the memory of the parade of midgets here is a useful link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.
     
    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It's difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.
    , @Polymath
    Fiorina and Carson were career pols? Fiorina was a man? Did you read your own link?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    My guess is, Kasich would've also managed to eke out a victory over Hillary (I think Rand Paul also would've won). But Jeb, Cruz, Huckabee, Santorum, and those other poltroons? Forget about it. Rubio might've had a shot, but I doubt he would've actually prevailed.
    , @Krastos the Gluemaker
    Many other Republican primary candidates would also have beaten Hillary in the general; O'Malley probably would have beaten Trump. Admittedly Jeb! would have lost, but he wasn't the only candidate.

    The story of the election results has almost nothing to do with what Republicans did in the end, it was all about Hillary being a terrible candidate and losing tens of millions of potential voters the Democrats could otherwise have had.

    Trump is disfavored to win re-election, of course, he'd only win against a really weak 2020 Dem candidate. With people always throwing guesses out there early might as well repeat the wisdom: either Bernie or Biden would win if they run, simply running being the only question; otherwise I think Booker is the next most likely bet, he would beat Trump and what's only unclear is the path to the nomination.
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  2. Edsall says that benighted “decisively white” Trumpians who have “set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course”, “can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration.”

    Weren’t those the key elements, the very planks of the Democratic Party platform of Obama’s, Hilary’s campaigns?

    I’m confused. The Death of Irony, indeed.

    Doesn’t irony require that one hold two thoughts simultaneously in mind? Then, irony cannot occur to a person who has no working memory.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    There is no such thing as a "double standard"

    There is only "who, whom"
    , @Colleen Pater
    One of the problems of the internet for the left is they cant target their messages the way they used to so anti white memes meant for more fully brainwashed cucks in the cities are getting through the interweb and shocking the rubes.And the rubes are starting to see the 100 million browns show up in even their small towns and so falling back during recessions to yard work and handyman's stuff to get by is no longer possible, Taking solace in small town life is also a casualty of the brown invasion. Decent union jobs go to browns under affirmative action since the 70s lawsuits, and if youre a lucky token white the environment in those jobs since divershitty is unbearable And really how many times can you expect them to get excited over the latest sales job of the polititians, its been clear for decades theres only one party.trump was a hail mary, the question is will they credit him with trying will he try or will the rubes up the ante and find a real hitler.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    People with no theory of mind can't do irony.
    , @Frau Katze
    I noticed he actually included the I-word.

    The 2016 results suggest that residents of a diminishing number of decisively white American towns and small cities — even those which supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 — can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration.
     
    I’m guessing here, but concern about multiculturalism and immigration goes far past these small white communities he writes about.

    On the Canadian blog I help out a bit, concerns about both are widespread. But the effects of both are far more visible in the big cities.

    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.
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  3. Maj. Kong says:

    Theodore Adorno

    The Authoritarian Personality (1950)

    SS.DD.

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  4. Flip says:

    “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
    -Lee Kuan Yew

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    • Replies: @njguy73

    “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
    -Lee Kuan Yew
     
    That just might be the most insightful political quote of the 20th Century.

    And on Lee Kuan Yew's Wikiquote page, it is nowhere to be found.

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  5. The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    “some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs”

    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified “racially freighted issues”. In fact, Trump campaigned–and the locals responded–in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I’m not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

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    So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?
     
    What is more worrisome is that at least the readers of Pravda probably knew it was bullshit, and treated it accordingly. The same cannot be said for the people who read the NYT and its ilk. I struggle to understand how many seemingly intelligent people I know are so stupid in the face of such propaganda. Have none of them read a history book?
    , @anonymouslee
    Noam Chomsky always said Pravda was less humiliating than the New York Times because at least the people at Pravda knew they were putting out propaganda; the idiots at the NYT go home believing their own bullshit. Much scarier.
    , @Altai

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified “racially freighted issues”. In fact, Trump campaigned–and the locals responded–in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.
     
    You also have to look at it from the perspective of freeing up more opportunities in the cities for people from poorer areas to go to. If you destroy the wages of unskilled labour in the cities, you trap people in those places who in another era would have gone to do that kind of work in the cities and benefited. They're not stupid, they can see what their market value will get them in the big cities. There is value to be had for those people too in restricting foreign labour competition.

    One the weirdest things about Dublin the last 10 years is the lack of country accents. People from the countryside can't compete with the unending flood of cheap EU (And EU+ in the form of Brazilians who enter the EU from Portugal) labour and with no family ties there's little to keep them in Dublin. They go straight to Canada, Britain or Aus, only go to Dublin for higher education.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, I was surprised that Steve did not mention this, as he is all over the articles and stats about demography of different neighborhoods and all that.

    I’m not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition, and persistence.
     
    The big difference is that there are still a whole bunch of Americans that STILL BELIEVE the New York Times, and even some that don't, but cough, cough, STILL READ IT, cough! No non-inebriated Soviet "citizen" ever actually believed the other Pravda (of course that ruled out a lot of Russians)
    , @AndrewR
    I don't know how successful Pravda was in misleading Soviet citizens but, even if it was very successful, the NYT takes the prize without a doubt.

    The NYT and its sister organizations like The Atlantic, WaPo, HuffPo, Salon, Buzzfeed, NPR, CNN, etc are collectively able to collectively delude many millions of educated/"educated" people into believing total fever fantasies despite the fact that every one of those people has infinitely greater access to reliable information than a Soviet citizen could have dreamed of.
    , @Forbes
    Edsall and the NYT are often (purposefully?) ignorant of the rest of America. The infamous New Yorker magazine cover illustration, "A View of the World From 9th Avenue," by Saul Steinberg is accurate in more ways than one can count.

    Most profoundly, it reflects an Edsallian pride of ignorance about America and Americans.

    One of the reasons Steinberg's illustration resonates is, whether a resident of the Upper West Side of Manhattan, or Kokomo, Indiana, both would agree on the meaning: New Yorkers give no particular thought to anything west of the Hudson River.

    Before living in NYC, I lived in Denver where we (non-natives) chuckled at the rhetorical question, had natives, who always started their day by looking at the Rockies, ever actually visited the Rockies?

    Other than going skiing out West, I'd say most NYers travel to Europe or a Caribbean resort, rather than visit Dallas, Denver, or Dubuque. I may be slightly exaggerating--but no more than Saul Steinberg.
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  6. George says:

    Unquestioned is why Blacks and Hispanics did not support Hillary with the same enthusiasm they supported Obama.

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    There are even white people like me, who voted for Obama twice, and who would have voted for Sanders had he been permitted to become the D candidate, but ended up voting for Trump. It's not because we love & respect Trump. It's because Hillary was the most evil person to run for president--possibly ever. There's not a single good or honest or decent thing about her, yet we're told that voters such as myself are wrong (or don't even exist) because we didn't facilitate her coronation.

    Trump, by comparison, is a bit of a buffoon and a clown, and regularly embarrasses all of us. I can live with that. I can't live with someone who would put all of her forces to work to intensify and accelerate the destruction of my country. This, of course, means I'm sexist and racist too. I guess I'll have to live with that as well.

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  7. Maj. Kong says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Edsall says that benighted "decisively white" Trumpians who have "set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course", "can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration."

    Weren't those the key elements, the very planks of the Democratic Party platform of Obama's, Hilary's campaigns?

    I'm confused. The Death of Irony, indeed.

    Doesn't irony require that one hold two thoughts simultaneously in mind? Then, irony cannot occur to a person who has no working memory.

    There is no such thing as a “double standard”

    There is only “who, whom”

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    There is no more stigma in being a hypocrite it would seem as well for many people. Hypocrisy is worn as a badge of honour.
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  8. Mike M says:

    “small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities”

    Can there be anything more hideous or frightening than this. SUPER-WHITE

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    “small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities”

    Can there be anything more hideous or frightening than this. SUPER-WHITE
     
    Is that a Yorkshire allusion?
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  9. It is one of thousands ofwhite enclaves…

    We’ve got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!! And we’re going to use the Colin Powell strategy. First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it…

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    We’ve got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!

    Let's just get it over with already and call them what they're intended to be - reservations.

    I have a hunch the new invaders will be less willing to keep their promises than whites were with the Indians.
    , @anonymouslee
    Ah, the simpler times when Europe, Canada, Australia and the United States were white enclaves.
    , @Kevin C.

    We’ve got them on the run!… First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it…
     
    You joke, but that's pretty much the way it is. They've got us outnumbered, outgunned, and "on the run". It's over, they've already won, absolutely. It's why the opioid epidemic; like drinking on Indian reservations, it's the action of a defeated people who know they have no future. We have no future; the future belongs to Them. The only question is whether our inevable, total extinction comes faster or slower. And then we're gone forever.

    All is lost. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.
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  10. Moses says:

    …how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

    Will these last-gasping White people hurry up and die already?

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  11. Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Plantation of Ulster.
    , @Bleuteaux
    Yes. The effect of this on small towns in the Midwest has been unbelievable.

    And as Steve always says, we're not supposed to notice.
    , @Anonymous

    ... to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.
     
    Weaponized diversity. It seems to be happening where I live, but everyone seems to be afraid to talk about it except in the most oblique manner.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Weapons of mass diversity!
    , @Kevin C.

    Diversity is a weapon.
     
    One of many weapons our Left elites have to wield against us. Weapons too many and too powerful for us to combat or resist. They have already won, we have already lost. Our eradication is inevitable, and there is literally nothing to be done about it. All hope is false. All is lost.
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  12. Luke Lea says:

    Apparently there is nothing Trump can or could do to convince Dems like Edsall that the election was not about race. Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    [Maybe I should amend that. In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race. My two bits: a good slogan in the ghettos would be "Trump change, not chump change!"]

    BTW, my new book is up on Kindle: https://goo.gl/q4kodC

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?
     
    Hallucination.
    , @AndrewR
    It was about race. The left was explicitly anti-white. Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white.
    , @Alias Anonymous
    " .. but what do you call seeing what is not there?"

    Or:

    They see what is there but they don't like it.
    So they pretend what they see is not there.

    , @27 year old

    In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race.
     
    I think Trump would do better if he explicitly made it about race.
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  13. JackOH says:

    Dravosburg, PA. Population of 1,746 is half of what it was in 1950. Per capita income: $17,000 annually (not a misprint).

    I’ve passed through dozens of river towns in Western PA and along the Ohio River, and the predominantly White populations are hanging on there by the skin of their teeth. Yeah, rocking their White privilege.

    The Edsall article isn’t worth wiping my arse.

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    Serves 'em right, Jack, given how


    the men and women of Dravosburg abandoned their Democratic loyalties
     
    I mean, if you're not LOYAL, what are you?

    Traitors, that's what!
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  14. @CK
    Consider for a moment the other 16 men that wanted the republican nomination to gracefully lose to Mrs. Clinton. All of them were career republican pols. Mr. Edsall is sad that the primary voters chose not to threepete with another guaranteed loser. If time has dimmed the memory of the parade of midgets here is a useful link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton's choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It’s difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.

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    We know that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. My suspicion was that Trump was a Clinton created ringer to create havoc in the Republican primaries, and if he happened to win, the idea was that he would be easy to beat in the general election.
    , @Big Bill
    According to some news reports, Hillary's team DID focus on Trump early on since he seemed so crazy and off-the-wall. What better stick to beat the Republican party with than some wacko Republican candidate?

    Unfortunately for the Dems, all the campaign (and press) attention wound up anointing Trump as THE Republican candidate to watch.
    , @Bill Jones
    Do you really belive that the DNC has the moral rectitude and fortitude to decide that Clinton Delenda Est?
    , @Eagle Eye

    It’s difficult to see how [Hillary promoting Trump as GOP candidate] would be illegal, ...
     
    This is Hillary we are talking about, so the strategic planning starts and ends with illegal options by default. Most likely, Team Hillary resorted to its favorite technique - targeted assassination of little people who got in the way of Hillary's coronation as Ruler by the Grace of Hillary of All Americas and the Rest of the Universe.

    Once decided, any strategy would have been implemented without further consideration of trifles like the law on the firm assumption that President Hillary and her stooges at DOJ and FBI would be able to smooth over any embarrassing interludes.

    So far, Hillary has been able to stay half a step ahead of the hamstrung justice system while Donna Brazile nervously checks her CCTV system every 3 minutes.

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  15. @ThreeCranes
    Edsall says that benighted "decisively white" Trumpians who have "set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course", "can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration."

    Weren't those the key elements, the very planks of the Democratic Party platform of Obama's, Hilary's campaigns?

    I'm confused. The Death of Irony, indeed.

    Doesn't irony require that one hold two thoughts simultaneously in mind? Then, irony cannot occur to a person who has no working memory.

    One of the problems of the internet for the left is they cant target their messages the way they used to so anti white memes meant for more fully brainwashed cucks in the cities are getting through the interweb and shocking the rubes.And the rubes are starting to see the 100 million browns show up in even their small towns and so falling back during recessions to yard work and handyman’s stuff to get by is no longer possible, Taking solace in small town life is also a casualty of the brown invasion. Decent union jobs go to browns under affirmative action since the 70s lawsuits, and if youre a lucky token white the environment in those jobs since divershitty is unbearable And really how many times can you expect them to get excited over the latest sales job of the polititians, its been clear for decades theres only one party.trump was a hail mary, the question is will they credit him with trying will he try or will the rubes up the ante and find a real hitler.

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    who are the rubes ?
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  16. eD says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.
     
    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It's difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.

    We know that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. My suspicion was that Trump was a Clinton created ringer to create havoc in the Republican primaries, and if he happened to win, the idea was that he would be easy to beat in the general election.

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    We know that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. My suspicion was that Trump was a Clinton created ringer to create havoc in the Republican primaries, and if he happened to win, the idea was that he would be easy to beat in the general election.

    Once all of the RINOs were knocked out and all that remained was Trump & Cruz (plus Kasich, who had zero chance of winning), establishment Republicans clearly preferred a Clinton victory. Mitt Romney had a big gathering at his Park City retreat where he and a host of other Republicans adamantly refused to endorse Ted Cruz. That was the only chance at avoiding a Trump nomination, and the establishment refused to take it.
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  17. @ThreeCranes
    Edsall says that benighted "decisively white" Trumpians who have "set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course", "can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration."

    Weren't those the key elements, the very planks of the Democratic Party platform of Obama's, Hilary's campaigns?

    I'm confused. The Death of Irony, indeed.

    Doesn't irony require that one hold two thoughts simultaneously in mind? Then, irony cannot occur to a person who has no working memory.

    People with no theory of mind can’t do irony.

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  18. Erik L says:

    My recollection of the campaign rhetoric isn’t that Trump “inflamed” these people. I think this is more a case of -Obama made white people feel good about themselves (because they could vote for a black man) while Hillary made them feel like they were the worst, guiltiest pieces of crap and better vote for her to demonstrate they recognize this and want to improve. Subtle difference, but I think that is the key.

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  19. Buck says:

    “the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs ”

    Yes, yes Mr. Edsall, whites tend to behave better than multicultural urban residents. Thanks for agreeing with Trump that “Mexico isn’t sending their best”. The same could be said of every other country dumping their huddled masses in our previously white nation. Of course, non diverse societies tend to behave better because they are self policing with high levels of in-group trust. If only we could implement a system which would stop the further diversification of nations. Really the only way to save the diversity of cultures is to allow nations to be homogeneously ethnic.

    Sorry Steve, but California must secede for the good of the nation, insulating the rest of us from urban crime, immigration and gangs.

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    “the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs ”
     
    Yep, you nailed it here. The implications of this remark are something the NYT editors either 1) didn't think through completely or 2) didn't think most readers would pick up on. I think it's #2 because most NYT readers are programmed to conceive of low white criminality as a form of 'privilege' rather than a matter of responsible behaviour.
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  20. @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    What is more worrisome is that at least the readers of Pravda probably knew it was bullshit, and treated it accordingly. The same cannot be said for the people who read the NYT and its ilk. I struggle to understand how many seemingly intelligent people I know are so stupid in the face of such propaganda. Have none of them read a history book?

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    Intelligent People KNOW!
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  21. PalerMale says:

    When I look back at the 2016 election, what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

    I wonder how long the families of the whites ‘setting the nation on a dangerous and destructive course’ have lived in the United States, and I wonder how it compares to everyone else.

    Does this really happen in non-white countries? Do the people who complain about the “problem” of whites staying in control of white countries complain about browns staying in control of brown countries and yellows staying in control of yellow countries? Or is it only white countries where they complain when whites say they’d like their country to be guided by their principles and beliefs and not by someone else’s?

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  22. Big Bill says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.
     
    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It's difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.

    According to some news reports, Hillary’s team DID focus on Trump early on since he seemed so crazy and off-the-wall. What better stick to beat the Republican party with than some wacko Republican candidate?

    Unfortunately for the Dems, all the campaign (and press) attention wound up anointing Trump as THE Republican candidate to watch.

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  23. PalerMale says:
    @eD
    We know that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. My suspicion was that Trump was a Clinton created ringer to create havoc in the Republican primaries, and if he happened to win, the idea was that he would be easy to beat in the general election.

    We know that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. My suspicion was that Trump was a Clinton created ringer to create havoc in the Republican primaries, and if he happened to win, the idea was that he would be easy to beat in the general election.

    Once all of the RINOs were knocked out and all that remained was Trump & Cruz (plus Kasich, who had zero chance of winning), establishment Republicans clearly preferred a Clinton victory. Mitt Romney had a big gathering at his Park City retreat where he and a host of other Republicans adamantly refused to endorse Ted Cruz. That was the only chance at avoiding a Trump nomination, and the establishment refused to take it.

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  24. PalerMale says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It is one of thousands ofwhite enclaves...
     
    We've got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!! And we're going to use the Colin Powell strategy. First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it...

    We’ve got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!

    Let’s just get it over with already and call them what they’re intended to be – reservations.

    I have a hunch the new invaders will be less willing to keep their promises than whites were with the Indians.

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  25. @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    Noam Chomsky always said Pravda was less humiliating than the New York Times because at least the people at Pravda knew they were putting out propaganda; the idiots at the NYT go home believing their own bullshit. Much scarier.

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  26. People with no theory of mind can’t do irony.

    No this is a problem with the Talmudic Jewish mind believing that the goyim are mere cattle who will never catch on to their schemes. There have been over a hundred times in the past where the goyim have eventually wised up to their schemes. But time and time again Anti-semitism, officially one word not two mind you, is dismissed as a mass mental illness. It is never seen as a not a very logical and existential protective response to Semitism itself.

    Talmudic Judaism is premised on the goyim lacking a mind of their own which can eventually disentangle the lies.

    The average rube flyover country conservative was never supposed to wise up after being feed a decade of NeoCon talk radio nonsense that True Conservatives are rugged Randian individualists who never see race.

    Edsall here is just a really embarrassing but well compensated Shabbos-Goy shill.

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  27. @PiltdownMan

    It is one of thousands ofwhite enclaves...
     
    We've got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!! And we're going to use the Colin Powell strategy. First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it...

    Ah, the simpler times when Europe, Canada, Australia and the United States were white enclaves.

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    More who-whom. When the people they like win, their media is good. When the people they dislike win, their media is bad.

    They overlook that the media they hilariously wax nostalgic about was one-way, top-down and authoritarian. The difference today is that now the audience can talk back and to each other, and the old media pharisees hate that and are determined to stop it. Heh, who's the reactionary now?

    They also overlook that their own chart shows that it is the supposedly sober left (Democrats) who have gone hysterically polarized, while the supposedly lunatic right (Republican) has stayed stable.

    But what do you expect from sententious writers who pen lines like, "This is freaking some people out."? It's probably a spotty 23-year-old high on espresso.
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  29. Altai says:
    @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified “racially freighted issues”. In fact, Trump campaigned–and the locals responded–in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    You also have to look at it from the perspective of freeing up more opportunities in the cities for people from poorer areas to go to. If you destroy the wages of unskilled labour in the cities, you trap people in those places who in another era would have gone to do that kind of work in the cities and benefited. They’re not stupid, they can see what their market value will get them in the big cities. There is value to be had for those people too in restricting foreign labour competition.

    One the weirdest things about Dublin the last 10 years is the lack of country accents. People from the countryside can’t compete with the unending flood of cheap EU (And EU+ in the form of Brazilians who enter the EU from Portugal) labour and with no family ties there’s little to keep them in Dublin. They go straight to Canada, Britain or Aus, only go to Dublin for higher education.

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  30. @Luke Lea
    Apparently there is nothing Trump can or could do to convince Dems like Edsall that the election was not about race. Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    [Maybe I should amend that. In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race. My two bits: a good slogan in the ghettos would be "Trump change, not chump change!"]

    BTW, my new book is up on Kindle: https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    Hallucination.

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  31. Polymath says:
    @CK
    Consider for a moment the other 16 men that wanted the republican nomination to gracefully lose to Mrs. Clinton. All of them were career republican pols. Mr. Edsall is sad that the primary voters chose not to threepete with another guaranteed loser. If time has dimmed the memory of the parade of midgets here is a useful link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton's choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

    Fiorina and Carson were career pols? Fiorina was a man? Did you read your own link?

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    The nits have been picked. Fiorina was a career incompetent but has a pass because she is female, Carson is now a pol was a wannabe pol last year.
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  32. Spud Boy says:

    “what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them —”

    You know what’s more striking? How how much influence over the course of events is exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-black municipalities and counties and by the politicians who ignite them.

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  33. @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    Yes, I was surprised that Steve did not mention this, as he is all over the articles and stats about demography of different neighborhoods and all that.

    I’m not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition, and persistence.

    The big difference is that there are still a whole bunch of Americans that STILL BELIEVE the New York Times, and even some that don’t, but cough, cough, STILL READ IT, cough! No non-inebriated Soviet “citizen” ever actually believed the other Pravda (of course that ruled out a lot of Russians)

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  34. …the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties…

    …the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate…

    It hurts to read things like this when these are the only places you’ve ever lived in your life. They are both large and small, and they are all over America. It is possible to have lived half a century on both coasts and in the middle without ever having to suffer through Thomas B. Edsall’s brave new non-white world of the future.

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  35. How dare they show concern for their children?

    To Goodthinkers like Edsall, it would be better if these people didn’t have children, and if they do, it would be preferable if those children were removed from the malign influence of their parents, post haste, and properly conditioned by the public schools and universities.

    Haven’t you seen To Kill a Mocking Bird or Mississippi Burning? These people are just…. BAD. They are bacteria which needs to be scrubbed from society and replaced with colorful non-whites as soon as possible. Fear not good NYT reader! Their behavior at the ballot box last November was just a “last gasp,” like Hitler’s Ardennes Offensive. They’ll finish “gasping” soon enough and just expire, and the world will be a better place because of it.

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  36. Arclight says:

    Unmentioned are the black voter enclaves that vote 90% Democratic, or the possible motivating factors for this level of support. Obama wouldn’t have won Indiana or NC in 2008 without massive and unified black voter turnout…but when non-whites vote as a bloc, it’s virtuous.

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  37. Dravosburg, Pa. is a small blue collar town tucked into a small region just across the river.

    The town probably knows that should a meat packing plant or “Greek Yogurt” processor start up within a 15-20 mile radius TPTB will be glad to dump its Diverse work force on the them.

    U.S. Yogurt Billionaire Expands Plant to Hire More Foreign Refugees

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/11/u-s-yogurt-billionaire-expands-plant-hire-foreign-refugees/

    The Goyim are learning.

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  38. Edsall must have been getting some heat for reporting objectively on the abandonment of Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) by the Democrats. Whites who live in mostly White towns want to keep their towns free and clear of multicultural strife and racial animosity. Edsall wrote at least a half a dozen articles where he chronicles the abandonment of WWCDs by the ruling class of the Democrat Party.

    Hillary Clinton moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York so she could avoid living around non-Whites. It wouldn’t do for Hillary Clinton and her pals to get bombed on wine in a town riven by multicultural turmoil. Hillary Clinton didn’t grab all that loot from foreigners so she could live in Washington Heights with the Dominicans or Harlem with the Blacks.

    EXPLICIT WHITEY in politics is here. It will take a few election cycles to get rid of the Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham types, but the Republican Party is going full-bore Whitey. If the GOP doesn’t begin direct appeals to the White voter base of the GOP, then the White voter base of the GOP will abandon the GOP.

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    If the GOP doesn’t begin direct appeals to the White voter base of the GOP, then the White voter base of the GOP will abandon the GOP.
     
    Abandon the GOP in favor of what? Not voting, which lets the Dems win all over? One of the third parties (which cannot win, per Duverger's law)? Which one?

    You speak as if there's still something the "White voter base" can do. There isn't. We can't do anything. We're doomed. All hope is false.
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  39. Notice the author dropped the exact turn-out numbers in the Trump-Clinton year. Tell-tale fake news. I’d wager Trump won by earning a higher turn-out vs. Romney. He did this by running on blue-collar economic issues.

    Hillary could have done so too, but no way was she going to listen to that skirt-chasing Bill.

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  40. Barnard says:

    Meanwhile, from Cleveland Federal Reserve President, Loretta Mester:

    “Policies that increase the growth and productivity of the workforce would address not only fiscal imbalances but the downward pressure on longer-run growth from demographics or other sources,” she said. “Policies that increase immigration, not reduce it, that support continuing education, that encourage R&D and innovation, and that provide incentives so people work longer should receive attention.”

    So the answer for the people in Dravosburg, Pennsylvania is to load their kids up with student loan debt, work longer hours and be happy to have a new immigrants take their jobs. That way they can read about how people like her are reaping the benefits of hitting a magical number in GDP growth.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html
     
    We've been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn't immigration have saved the economy by now?

    .

    Or is this "economy" really more of a pyramid scheme based on consumerism?

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  41. Svigor says:

    … Trump clearly inflamed and mobilized white voters living in these circumstances. Neither Romney nor John McCain, the previous two Republican nominees, campaigned on racially freighted issues and neither produced the same pattern of support.

    Best of all, Romney and McCain lost.

    LOL

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  42. Mr. Anon says:

    The effrontery of the title of Edsall’s piece, “White-on-White Voting”, is remarkable – as if the very act of voting for Donald Trump was an act of violence – a crime – committed against your fellow citizens.

    Well, he is right about one thing. A lot of the vote for Trump was racial, if even sub-consciously – to at least try to preserve some of the old white America that a lot of us remember. It was identity politics practiced by whites, and clearly that scares some people.

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  43. And in other news, today’s picture of success — the nerd who got the hot chick and his signature on the money. “Handsome Steve” Mnuchin shows off his wife and the new bills with his signature as Treasury Secretary.

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    Look at her gloved hand - makes me think of a future Cruella de Vil.
    , @El Dato

    his signature on the money.
     
    It's not money. It's printed paper.

    There is a difference, though we have been badly brainwashed to ignore it.

    Anything that a Central Bank can shit out by the boatload is NOT money.
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  44. When I look back at the 2016 election, what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

    What is this “dangerous and destructive course”?

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    If Mr. Edsall has his way this will be "...the last gasp of a a small fraction of the electorate...". He assumes he will get his way. We can and must stop him.
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  45. Tamaqua says:

    Pittsburgh is the largest city that is still the least “diverse”, although it has had a Democratic mayor since 1933. The Republican Party of Allegheny County doesn’t even bother contesting the Dem nominees, so Trump was ready made to sweep Western Pennsylvania, with the exception of Allegheny County, with 25% black city voters tipping the balance, but that majority is slipping. Pittsburgh is ripe for a populist/nationalist candidate, but the local Republicans (epitomized by Tim Murphy) follow the emasculated national leadership rather than the upstart Trump supporters. The only way white social conservatives can make their voices heard here is on a national, not a local, stage. Those “Yinzers” in the Mon Valley voted for Obama out of economic desperation, just as they voted for Trump, with the crucial addition of his unapologetic, gleeful middle finger to the political establishment of both parties.

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    25% black city voters
     
    Is the area between downtown and Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside still a no-go zone or has it been gentrified? It's been a while since I've been to Pittsburgh.
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  46. Mike M says:

    “relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities”

    NYT LEVELS OF COMMUNITY WHITENESS

    WHITE – EVIL
    PREDOMINATELY WHITE – REALLY EVIL
    OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE – COMPLETELY EVIL
    SUPER-WHITE – SATANICALLY POSSESSED (and need to be exterminated)

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  47. res says:

    At least there was one thoughtful comment from a Democrat:

    Tom J Berwyn, IL 2 hours ago
    They went for Obama in 2012, yet we insist on calling all of them racists now. I think Trump was their Bernie. Bernie supporters (I was one) are disenfranchised liberals, sick of the influence of Wall St. and big money. I think the way to reach both Trump supporters and Bernie supporters is to offer a likeable candidate who focuses on job creation for middle and lower income voters. The focus should be on things that give people a chance to lift themselves. If we don’t offer that, we lose again.

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    Of course there is no chance the party will listen to a voice of reason like that.

    It is interesting that at the moment the only 2 NYT Picks have 0 and 1 recommends. At least they are not reflexively picking the oh so popular Trump-hate comments now.

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    Berwyn is just a couple of towns east of my Cook County suburb. My mother worked in Berwyn when she was young. My wife’s boss was from Berwyn. Berwyn was originally largely Bohemian. Now there are a lot of Mexicans, but also some white hipsters like Tom J. Tom’s notion of uniting the Sanders supporters and Trump supporters is either disingenuous or the product of ignorance. Sanders voiced a bit of opposition to “free trade” but he’s full-bore in favor mass immigration and would have a stroke if the words “America first” ever passed his lips. That is the issue that Trump got elected on. I would imagine that Tom knows this, in which case he’s lying to us about what the Sanders movement is about. If Tom doesn’t know that, he’s too ignorant to be offering political advice.
    , @Greasy William

    Of course there is no chance the party will listen to a voice of reason like that.
     
    It's not the voice of reason, it's the voice of political suicide. This is the mirror of the the Left telling the Republicans they needed to pass amnesty to get back to electoral health.

    The truth is that the Dems have a pretty good thing going: non whites are going to bloc vote for them no matter what along with gentry white liberals. The swing demo that the Dems need to worry about are suburban, socially liberal whites with children. These whites are all in on the open borders, BLM, tranny bathroom stuff but they are absolutely not in anti wallstreet, anti establishment or high tax stuff. If the Dems alienate these establishment friendly suburban whites, they are truly finished as a national party. They would get about 35% of the vote.

    Being the party of anti white racism may ultimately doom the Democrats anyway, but it at least gives them a chance going forward, which is a lot more then they would get if they cast their lot in with Bernie and his acolytes.
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  48. AndrewR says:
    @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    I don’t know how successful Pravda was in misleading Soviet citizens but, even if it was very successful, the NYT takes the prize without a doubt.

    The NYT and its sister organizations like The Atlantic, WaPo, HuffPo, Salon, Buzzfeed, NPR, CNN, etc are collectively able to collectively delude many millions of educated/”educated” people into believing total fever fantasies despite the fact that every one of those people has infinitely greater access to reliable information than a Soviet citizen could have dreamed of.

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  49. AndrewR says:
    @Luke Lea
    Apparently there is nothing Trump can or could do to convince Dems like Edsall that the election was not about race. Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    [Maybe I should amend that. In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race. My two bits: a good slogan in the ghettos would be "Trump change, not chump change!"]

    BTW, my new book is up on Kindle: https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    It was about race. The left was explicitly anti-white. Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white.

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    "Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white."

    That's about what it came down to.
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    Yes, indeed. That was a good way of saying it.
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  50. Pat Boyle says:

    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing’s in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected – sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men’s lust. Then they feign indifference. That’s just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven’t counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

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    As Slavoj Žižek kinda trolled, the "new rules" are like an ashtray with a "No Smoking" sign above it. Its all madness, the glorious result of a combination of pursuing fantastical ideas of equality to their natural limit plus absolute atomization of the individual.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Bravo!
    , @L Woods
    I thought anyone who has a problem with current year gender relations was just a “personal failure.” What ever happened?
    , @Forbes
    You're not outside the mainstream--either here or contemporary politics.

    What is expressed on iSteve is the gleefulness of the chickens coming home to roost--supposed moral betters and elites caught up in a dragnet of their own making.

    Contemporary politics is another matter. Despite the fact that the cucks of the GOPe merely cow-tow to whatever nostrums are organized by progressive Democrats--reinforced with the megaphone used by the ankle-biting media--as someone (Kissinger?) said, the battle of the sexes will never be won because there is too much fraternization amongst the combatants.

    The moral panic under way is the temper tantrum of those that didn't get their way in the election--the fear and hysterical reaction to feeling powerless in a moment of uncertainty--and lashing out.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Pat, I don't think your conservative views on this topic put you outside of the mainstream of iSteve commenters and probably they don't put you outside the mainstream of "the mainstream" when people tell the honest truth (see, they don't a lot).

    People here on the comments below the many Sailer posts on Weinstein and the rest of these Hollywood people are just gleeful about the idea of these lefty, anti-American types "eating their own", so to speak. I am one of said gleeful people, even though I don't care who any of these people are, and I have never heard of 1/2 of them. I only looked up Rose McGowan because someone wrote that she was hot - she's not the only girl on the internet wearing a bikini, I found out (that was my 2-day hiatus from iSteve.... ;-}

    When people who have been mostly anti-Americans since the 1970's, with almost all of them being that way nowadays, are losing, then Americans are winning. Don't pay attention to the feminism "I hate being touched and looked at" crap. Nobody believes all that, besides, possibly the Hildabeast ... but she may not be of our world ....
    , @guest
    You completely misunderstand what's going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don't want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That's humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn't mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it's not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it's harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we're going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn't just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there's morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it's also clear that he's not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he's aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

    , @Anonymous

    all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.
     
    he risks a charge of attempted rape and a life-long sexual offender rap.

    Just stay away from Western women. They're all crazy. Get yourself a nice Eastern European or Asian girl instead.
    , @MBlanc46
    There’s some truth to this, but I think that you’ve exaggerated on a number of points. But even the truths are unsayable in the current political climate.
    , @Simply Simon
    Ah Pat Boyle, me lad. You echo my thoughts in so many ways.
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  51. @CK
    Consider for a moment the other 16 men that wanted the republican nomination to gracefully lose to Mrs. Clinton. All of them were career republican pols. Mr. Edsall is sad that the primary voters chose not to threepete with another guaranteed loser. If time has dimmed the memory of the parade of midgets here is a useful link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton's choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

    My guess is, Kasich would’ve also managed to eke out a victory over Hillary (I think Rand Paul also would’ve won). But Jeb, Cruz, Huckabee, Santorum, and those other poltroons? Forget about it. Rubio might’ve had a shot, but I doubt he would’ve actually prevailed.

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    It’s a bit much to ask people to vote for someone who literally spits upon them, in this case Clinton and her “deplorable” type comments. Obama looked down his nose at a large part of the American population, deriding them as “clinging” to their bibles and such. The hatred of the writer of this article and some of these politicians for much of America is really visceral. It’s a crime to be “working class” these days.

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  53. Trump clearly inflamed and mobilized white voters living in these circumstances.

    I don’t recall Trump saying anything along the lines of, “If I had another son, he’d probably look like Officer Darren Wilson.”

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  54. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Four years later, the men and women of Dravosburg abandoned their Democratic loyalties and backed Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, 56.3 to 41.1.

    Wow, 56% for one party! What kind of idiots are they? I mean in a democracy with free-thinking, well-informed voters surely people would not vote in bloc-like fashion.

    I am sure Jewish, black, hispanic and Asian voters would never approach 60% voting levels for one party.

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  55. Steve Sailer,
    Something that would please me to see you highlight is US Census Table 696.
    You have to work with it for awhile, but it’s easy to do for the functionally numerate and easily translateable to charts and graphs.
    I personally believe that “the left” and the media are able to do what what they do and say what they say, because one part of them willfully ignores the information in this table and the other half is sincerely ignorant of it.
    We might change things if we reached the second group.

    Every quartile of the table is interesting, but the most interesting 3 are:
    1) top 5% … which is mostly – exactly what everyone expects it to be … except for the fact that in people’s imagination the values here are generalizable to all whites, and the rest of the table shows they are not

    2) the second to bottom quartile – where misery is broadly distributed and widespread

    3) the bottom quartile – the most important quartile

    The bottom quartile is the most important quartile because when you add up:

    1) All African-Americans in the bottom quartile
    2) All Asian-Americans in the bottom quartile
    3) All Hispanics in the bottom quartile

    … basically all minorities in the bottom quartile

    the sum is:

    Less than half

    More than half of the bottom quartile, is described formally by the United States Census: as white. White households are an absolute majority of the bottom quartile of households in the US.

    Who represents them?

    The GOP?
    The Democrats?

    And there: that’s our problem.

    Your themes seem to highlight that the mainstream media, rather than embrace the bottom quartile as a whole … all of them, regardless of race, as fellow countrymen and women who are in need of a place in our society … views the easier path as one of demonization of these people. The MSM seems to think there is more to gain by provoking these people on their weakness, than addressing their weakness and treating them as fellow citizens.

    What is that about?
    Where does it lead?

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    Do you have a link? The table I see is different than you describe (e.g. no "top 5%"): https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf

    At that link Table 695 looks easier to interpret.
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  56. Svigor says:

    OT via Drudge:

    TINA BROWN DOWNLOADS ON WEINSTEIN…

    The author makes a big deal out of what a big deal Brown’s supposed to be, but she manages to say nothing interesting in the entire interview, unless you count the stupid stuff. I was struck by how closely this brilliant, powerful woman resembles an airhead. Maybe she works to cultivate this perception; she did graduate from Oxford.

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  57. When I look back at the 2016 election, what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them —

    Or, for us deplorables, “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.”

    how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

    We ethnocentric whites may have more than a few gasps left in us, Mr. Edsall.

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  58. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    . . . how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.

    These guys seem to love phrases like last gasp, with regards to actions and thoughts by whites – like they just can’t way until they can finally nail the coffin of white influence shut, once and for all.

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  59. @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    As Slavoj Žižek kinda trolled, the “new rules” are like an ashtray with a “No Smoking” sign above it. Its all madness, the glorious result of a combination of pursuing fantastical ideas of equality to their natural limit plus absolute atomization of the individual.

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    Considering the sludge that Slovoj Zizek usually dispenses, that's quite clever.
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  60. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    And in other news, today's picture of success -- the nerd who got the hot chick and his signature on the money. "Handsome Steve" Mnuchin shows off his wife and the new bills with his signature as Treasury Secretary.

    https://epeak.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/steve-mnuchins-photos-with-dollar-bills-are-everything-thats-wrong-with-the-world.jpg

    Look at her gloved hand – makes me think of a future Cruella de Vil.

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    That's her money.

    Her other hand is up his ass.

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  61. Forbes says:
    @Almost Missouri
    The NYT is also doing something of a bait and switch here,

    "some of the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs"
     
    makes it sound as if these are wealthy gated country clubs where residents finish a leisurely mint julep before heading to the golf course. In fact, these are hardscrabble places with plenty of social dysfunction, even if not the inter-racial type of dysfunction.

    The NYT is really twisting the local reality to make it fit their metropolitan obsessions (getting dangerous blacks away from their metro real estate) by claiming unspecified "racially freighted issues". In fact, Trump campaigned--and the locals responded--in these places on opioids, trade deals and manufacturing jobs, which are about a un-racially freighted as any issues can be in The Current Year.

    I'm not sure who was the greater spinner of counter-reality propaganda, the NYT or Soviet Pravda? They seem about equal in brazenness, ambition and persistence. The NYT may have the edge in crafty subtlety though. So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?

    Edsall and the NYT are often (purposefully?) ignorant of the rest of America. The infamous New Yorker magazine cover illustration, “A View of the World From 9th Avenue,” by Saul Steinberg is accurate in more ways than one can count.

    Most profoundly, it reflects an Edsallian pride of ignorance about America and Americans.

    One of the reasons Steinberg’s illustration resonates is, whether a resident of the Upper West Side of Manhattan, or Kokomo, Indiana, both would agree on the meaning: New Yorkers give no particular thought to anything west of the Hudson River.

    Before living in NYC, I lived in Denver where we (non-natives) chuckled at the rhetorical question, had natives, who always started their day by looking at the Rockies, ever actually visited the Rockies?

    Other than going skiing out West, I’d say most NYers travel to Europe or a Caribbean resort, rather than visit Dallas, Denver, or Dubuque. I may be slightly exaggerating–but no more than Saul Steinberg.

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  62. Someone mentioned the “Republican project” in the comments on another run, I take that to be the project of the Republic, not the project of the Republican Party.

    With that in mind – I’d expand it: it’s the Republican Labor Project – the project of the working class – where the working class is everyone who must work to live. That’s important because part of the Hall of Mirrors Hypnosis Effect is that the top-two 25% quartiles of whites tend to be populated by people who incorrectly believe they are capitalists because they believe in capitalism. You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.

    Otherwise: you are labor. But I digress.

    With respect to my earlier post on US Census Table 696, the Republican Labor Project has its work cut out for it – but 40% of the work is articulating the work – and oddly: no one has done that. So I’ll do it right now.

    The work is this: somewhere out there are millions of ambitious African Americans who want to get ahead in this life and don’t want to be Crab-bucketed down with their number. For all the (b-ll-sh-t) kvetching on this site by the comments section about IQ, the bulk of this number are in an IQ zone where if they applied themselves, they can get ahead … the exact same way white people, in the same IQ zone, apply themselves, and get ahead.

    But these ambitious fellows are presented with a Faustian choice that the ordinary ambitious working class white fellow is not: they can tokenize themselves for the 5%, which means mounting a SJW / victim-mongering persona that acts as a shield for the 5% against the legitimate grievances of the bottom quartile, … or they can join forces with whites the bottom quartile, form a majority, and change everything.

    The latter strategy is better in the long-run, for everyone – even the 5%, because it means we don’t have to fragment the country. But it’s only better for the ambitious AA in question if AAs join in mass to do so.

    So – what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?
    What’s going on with working class whites to let AAs know there is a path for joining forces?

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the “race war” agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner. Keep that in mind when listening to objections.

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    Dream on. This was the fantasy of the Left in the early 1960s when I had tangential connection to it. “Black and white unite!” That sort of thing. It went nowhere then (except in little communist groupuscules) and it will go nowhere now (or in the future). Racial solidarity is too strong among blacks. Plus, for the 95–100 IQ black, being an AA employee or a race hustler is easier and more rewarding than throwing in with the marginalized white working class. And, for many whites, there have been too many encounters with criminal blacks for them to be seeking black allies.
    , @27 year old

    the working class is everyone who must work to live.
     
    Few understand this.

    You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.
     
    I'd go even further, only if your kids don't have to work either.

    You're labor unless your kids don't have to work


    So – what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?
     
    At this point? Nothing.

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the “race war” agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner.
     
    Don't forget c) the experience of all of human history.

    Look it's an ok idea but don't invest too much in it cause it ain't gonna happen.

    , @Rod1963
    Makes sense and explains why the billionaire class is supporting SJW movement so heavily via the Democratic party. They want the lower classes to be at each others throats while they loot the country blind.

    Here's the thing, we have Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, the Google founders and others who are immensely wealthy funding all this racial divisiveness and hot button social issues. Up until now it didn't make sense why they would support this insanity. But it makes sense politically in that peoples attention are turned away from the massive economic screwing they are getting across the board from the billionaire class via the political system that has rigged things against them.

    A lot of it started after Trump's campaign started bringing up certain issues to the public's attention. Things that were previously not talked about in public by politicians.

    By all rights the SJW ought be ready to hang every f**king college administrator along with their professors for saddling them with six figure debts for life and kill every Wall Street executive that off-shored their future instead of hating some white working stiff.

    The alt-right is equally guilty in obsessing over HBD, stupid racial pedigrees and the J issue without looking at the drivers behind whites being marginalized to the point of demographic obliteration. That being the ultra wealthy who are dictating these policies. Who promoted off-shoring and it's attendant social poisons that have ruined the rust belt and small town America; who promoted the massive importation of foreign workers to replace Americans(primarily whites) ; who demands that we keep the borders wide open in order to depress wages and increase competition for what few jobs are available?

    At the very minimum we on the alt-right can make common cause with the Bernie Bros on economic issues. Up until Bernie ran for president he championed many of the same thing Trump promoted and more.
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  63. @Luke Lea
    Apparently there is nothing Trump can or could do to convince Dems like Edsall that the election was not about race. Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    [Maybe I should amend that. In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race. My two bits: a good slogan in the ghettos would be "Trump change, not chump change!"]

    BTW, my new book is up on Kindle: https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    ” .. but what do you call seeing what is not there?”

    Or:

    They see what is there but they don’t like it.
    So they pretend what they see is not there.

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  64. @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    Bravo!

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  65. L Woods says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    I thought anyone who has a problem with current year gender relations was just a “personal failure.” What ever happened?

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  66. Forbes says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    You’re not outside the mainstream–either here or contemporary politics.

    What is expressed on iSteve is the gleefulness of the chickens coming home to roost–supposed moral betters and elites caught up in a dragnet of their own making.

    Contemporary politics is another matter. Despite the fact that the cucks of the GOPe merely cow-tow to whatever nostrums are organized by progressive Democrats–reinforced with the megaphone used by the ankle-biting media–as someone (Kissinger?) said, the battle of the sexes will never be won because there is too much fraternization amongst the combatants.

    The moral panic under way is the temper tantrum of those that didn’t get their way in the election–the fear and hysterical reaction to feeling powerless in a moment of uncertainty–and lashing out.

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    No big deal, but as a self-appointed Guardian of the English Language I would politely ask you to change "cow-tow" to "kowtow". "Kowtow" comes (I just looked it up!) from the Cantonese "kau tau", which is the act of prostrating (as before the Emperor of China), kneeling with one's forehead touching the ground.

    I beat Derbyshire to the punch!
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  67. Forbes says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    As Slavoj Žižek kinda trolled, the "new rules" are like an ashtray with a "No Smoking" sign above it. Its all madness, the glorious result of a combination of pursuing fantastical ideas of equality to their natural limit plus absolute atomization of the individual.

    Considering the sludge that Slovoj Zizek usually dispenses, that’s quite clever.

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    Perhaps he was plagiarizing Steve again?
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  68. @Luke Lea
    Apparently there is nothing Trump can or could do to convince Dems like Edsall that the election was not about race. Blindness is not seeing, but what do you call seeing what is not there?

    [Maybe I should amend that. In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race. My two bits: a good slogan in the ghettos would be "Trump change, not chump change!"]

    BTW, my new book is up on Kindle: https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race.

    I think Trump would do better if he explicitly made it about race.

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    Fortunately, wiser minds are in control, for now anyway.
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  69. This is not entirely OT and certainly grist for Steve Sailer’s vile tendency to notice things and remark on un-noticed things:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-16/crime-wave-engulfs-sweden-as-fraud-sexual-offences-reach-record

    The unwoke reader of this item might be tempted to draw the conclusion that global warming has driven the once crime-free population of Sweden to run amok. Might the solution be the massive importation of peoples from much warmer climes?

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  70. res says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Steve Sailer,
    Something that would please me to see you highlight is US Census Table 696.
    You have to work with it for awhile, but it's easy to do for the functionally numerate and easily translateable to charts and graphs.
    I personally believe that "the left" and the media are able to do what what they do and say what they say, because one part of them willfully ignores the information in this table and the other half is sincerely ignorant of it.
    We might change things if we reached the second group.

    Every quartile of the table is interesting, but the most interesting 3 are:
    1) top 5% ... which is mostly - exactly what everyone expects it to be ... except for the fact that in people's imagination the values here are generalizable to all whites, and the rest of the table shows they are not

    2) the second to bottom quartile - where misery is broadly distributed and widespread

    3) the bottom quartile - the most important quartile

    The bottom quartile is the most important quartile because when you add up:

    1) All African-Americans in the bottom quartile
    2) All Asian-Americans in the bottom quartile
    3) All Hispanics in the bottom quartile

    ... basically all minorities in the bottom quartile

    the sum is:

    Less than half

    More than half of the bottom quartile, is described formally by the United States Census: as white. White households are an absolute majority of the bottom quartile of households in the US.

    Who represents them?

    The GOP?
    The Democrats?

    And there: that's our problem.

    Your themes seem to highlight that the mainstream media, rather than embrace the bottom quartile as a whole ... all of them, regardless of race, as fellow countrymen and women who are in need of a place in our society ... views the easier path as one of demonization of these people. The MSM seems to think there is more to gain by provoking these people on their weakness, than addressing their weakness and treating them as fellow citizens.

    What is that about?
    Where does it lead?

    Do you have a link? The table I see is different than you describe (e.g. no “top 5%”): https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf

    At that link Table 695 looks easier to interpret.

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    https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf is correct but that is interesting when I last examined this in detail it was split out by quartile.

    I have to go through my personal docs for old links but you can still work out most of the important information with the table as presented.

    You are also right that it requires a bit of interpretation - it takes someone extracting the info and putting it into charts and graphs that compare each part with whole, to get a picture of what it's saying. But what it says, contains the answer.

    Oh - it's important too to focus on the latest period line in each sub-chart - 2009. All the other lines are static that can distract a reader from the point of the table.

    I'll check on my docs and see if there's an older, clearer version.

    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    OK - found it.
    So - I have the whole kit-and-kaboodle, including the full spreadsheet version of 696 that I downloaded a few years ago - the pdf is a summary, the spreadsheet version is big and data-thick - it is curious to me that it seems a bit hard now to find an online trace to the data-rich spreadsheet version.

    I also have tons of mathematical analysis of this that I did some time back that converts it into images that make sense - would love to make it available. Not sure how that can be done.
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  71. @ben tillman

    When I look back at the 2016 election, what is really striking is how much influence over the course of events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.
     
    What is this "dangerous and destructive course"?

    If Mr. Edsall has his way this will be “…the last gasp of a a small fraction of the electorate…”. He assumes he will get his way. We can and must stop him.

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    We can and must stop him.
     
    No, we can't. There's nothing we can do. It's hopeless.
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  72. I dunno, Steve. You sure it’s really, REALLY okay to be white?

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  73. @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    Pat, I don’t think your conservative views on this topic put you outside of the mainstream of iSteve commenters and probably they don’t put you outside the mainstream of “the mainstream” when people tell the honest truth (see, they don’t a lot).

    People here on the comments below the many Sailer posts on Weinstein and the rest of these Hollywood people are just gleeful about the idea of these lefty, anti-American types “eating their own”, so to speak. I am one of said gleeful people, even though I don’t care who any of these people are, and I have never heard of 1/2 of them. I only looked up Rose McGowan because someone wrote that she was hot – she’s not the only girl on the internet wearing a bikini, I found out (that was my 2-day hiatus from iSteve…. ;-}

    When people who have been mostly anti-Americans since the 1970′s, with almost all of them being that way nowadays, are losing, then Americans are winning. Don’t pay attention to the feminism “I hate being touched and looked at” crap. Nobody believes all that, besides, possibly the Hildabeast … but she may not be of our world ….

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    I watch entirely too much TV but still I never seem recognize most of the "celebrities" I see referenced on the web. Starlets seem to have the fame lifespan of a mayfly.
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  74. Kylie says:

    Slightly OT:

    I’m on a Conrad kick. Just reread “Heart of Darkness”, “The Secret Agent” and “The Secret Sharer”, read “An Outcast of the Islands” and am now reading “Lord Jim”. Conrad and H. James have always been my two favorite authors, though Conrad is not one whose works I pick up just for fun. But I’m even more awed by Conrad now than I was forty years ago. I’ve always considered Melville, James and Conrad to be the three greatest prose poets in the English language. But of these three, Conrad is certainly the best. His command of a language he didn’t learn until his 20′s moves me to tears.

    If anyone needs a break from the insane and inane spitefulness and pettiness of modern life, he cannot do better than to revisit Conrad.

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    I’m on a Conrad kick.

     

    An excellent choice. This was just published in the New Yorker. I haven't read it yet and can't vouch for it. But it's the New Yorker so there will probably be a lot about Conrad's "racism" along with probably some interesting stuff. I just started a John O'Hara kick myself.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/joseph-conrads-journey
    , @Simon
    Also, a very good piece on Conrad by Michael Gorra in the 11/11 Wall Street Journal book review (if you can get behind its paywall).
    , @guest
    I've never really thought such a thing as prose poetry should exist, which perhaps explains my mixed feelings on Melville. Whereas I had to skip around Moby Dick and hate Pierre and the Confidence Man, I love Billy Budd, Bartelby, and Benito Cereno. Henry James I read for character, plot, and such, the prose style I could wish different.

    Conrad, however, I find much more agreeable than his "difficult" reputation. To me he's, if not clear as possible, very comfortable to read. Which is more surprising when you discover he didn't speak English fluently before his 20s. All the Symbolist and proto-modern guff surrounding his works I find wide of the mark.

    Nostromo is my favorite. His spy novels, Secret Agent and Under Western Eyes, were fun. There's also one called Chance I enjoyed, which I later found out was originally his best-seller.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Agreed. I'm not the most literary person, but I understand that Conrad's work is a paragon of descriptive writing, not written as today by and for people who think in movie scenes and video, but crafted when writers had to use words to conjure images in readers' minds.

    I first came to appreciate Conrad when a law professor held him up as someone to study if you want to know how to get people to see things in their minds. I wasn't a law student; one of my many odd jobs involved videotaping young lawyers while they practiced things like cross-examination and voir dire, and closing statements. Their mentor, an experienced trial lawyer, kept telling everybody to read Conrad.

    Melville's Moby Dick is fine too. I don't see why people have a problem with it. I especially like the long sentences. They guy really knew how to use commas. Just sit down and read the damn book.

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  75. @AndrewR
    It was about race. The left was explicitly anti-white. Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white.

    “Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white.”

    That’s about what it came down to.

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  76. peterike says:

    Well, there may be “enclaves” of toxic whiteness still left in America, but in every one of those towns you now have a bunch of illegal Chinese running the local take-out slops joint. You also have two, three, or ten families of Mexicans or Guatemalans, whose children are bringing lice to the local schoolhouse for the first time in 100 years. Or the local Patel or Muhammad running the 7-11 or the Day’s Inn. And somehow they all manage to be on the dole, even the owners, who are happily making use of taxpayer funded small business loans. And none of them are hiring the locals.

    Other than a few towns of wealthy white Progressives, these white enclaves are now all pock-marked with diversity. And in a great shock to urbane Progressives like Mr. Edsall, white voters noticed.

    Interesting, too, that he uses the word “enclaves,” as it suggests a final redoubt of an oppressed group. Which is actually entirely accurate, but Mr. Edsall sees these beaten-down people as the oppressors.

    He should die a thousand slow deaths.

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    You are probably wrong about the Chinese. When I was very young (and didn't know any better) I was an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. This was the late sixties.

    Then as now, most of the welfare recipients were black, a few were white and absolutely none were Chinese. This was in spite of the Chinese being by far the poorest ethnic segment of the population.
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  77. @Barnard
    Meanwhile, from Cleveland Federal Reserve President, Loretta Mester:

    "Policies that increase the growth and productivity of the workforce would address not only fiscal imbalances but the downward pressure on longer-run growth from demographics or other sources," she said. "Policies that increase immigration, not reduce it, that support continuing education, that encourage R&D and innovation, and that provide incentives so people work longer should receive attention."
     
    So the answer for the people in Dravosburg, Pennsylvania is to load their kids up with student loan debt, work longer hours and be happy to have a new immigrants take their jobs. That way they can read about how people like her are reaping the benefits of hitting a magical number in GDP growth.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html

    We’ve been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn’t immigration have saved the economy by now?

    .

    Or is this “economy” really more of a pyramid scheme based on consumerism?

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    Bingo! Joe Schmoe for the win.

    Neo-liberalism is the prescription at all times and in all places for these "economists". Of course, neo-liberalism is not a cure, but rather a hungry parasite whose welfare takes precedence over the health of society and the citizens. Remember, Maggie Thatcher told us that there was no such thing as society, after all. The only people served by that point of view are the rootless cosmopolitans, whether jewish or gentile, who comprise the trans-national economic elite.
    , @ben tillman

    We’ve been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn’t immigration have saved the economy by now?
     
    Brilliant!
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  78. @CK
    Consider for a moment the other 16 men that wanted the republican nomination to gracefully lose to Mrs. Clinton. All of them were career republican pols. Mr. Edsall is sad that the primary voters chose not to threepete with another guaranteed loser. If time has dimmed the memory of the parade of midgets here is a useful link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton's choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.

    Many other Republican primary candidates would also have beaten Hillary in the general; O’Malley probably would have beaten Trump. Admittedly Jeb! would have lost, but he wasn’t the only candidate.

    The story of the election results has almost nothing to do with what Republicans did in the end, it was all about Hillary being a terrible candidate and losing tens of millions of potential voters the Democrats could otherwise have had.

    Trump is disfavored to win re-election, of course, he’d only win against a really weak 2020 Dem candidate. With people always throwing guesses out there early might as well repeat the wisdom: either Bernie or Biden would win if they run, simply running being the only question; otherwise I think Booker is the next most likely bet, he would beat Trump and what’s only unclear is the path to the nomination.

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    Trump is disfavored to win re-election, of course, he’d only win against a really weak 2020 Dem candidate. With people always throwing guesses out there early might as well repeat the wisdom: either Bernie or Biden would win if they run, simply running being the only question; otherwise I think Booker is the next most likely bet, he would beat Trump and what’s only unclear is the path to the nomination.
     
    I don't see how any of them would have a shot against Trump.
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  79. peterike says:
    @Kylie
    Slightly OT:

    I'm on a Conrad kick. Just reread "Heart of Darkness", "The Secret Agent" and "The Secret Sharer", read "An Outcast of the Islands" and am now reading "Lord Jim". Conrad and H. James have always been my two favorite authors, though Conrad is not one whose works I pick up just for fun. But I'm even more awed by Conrad now than I was forty years ago. I've always considered Melville, James and Conrad to be the three greatest prose poets in the English language. But of these three, Conrad is certainly the best. His command of a language he didn't learn until his 20's moves me to tears.

    If anyone needs a break from the insane and inane spitefulness and pettiness of modern life, he cannot do better than to revisit Conrad.

    I’m on a Conrad kick.

    An excellent choice. This was just published in the New Yorker. I haven’t read it yet and can’t vouch for it. But it’s the New Yorker so there will probably be a lot about Conrad’s “racism” along with probably some interesting stuff. I just started a John O’Hara kick myself.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/joseph-conrads-journey

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  80. Thomas Edsall in 2011:

    For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.

    https://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/

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  81. guest says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    You completely misunderstand what’s going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don’t want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That’s humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn’t mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it’s not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it’s harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we’re going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn’t just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there’s morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it’s also clear that he’s not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he’s aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

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    “Women”and “objective standards” are not concepts that are easily reconciled.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment.
     
    Dude, that ship sailed a long time ago. Every victim gets to choose who victimizes zer and how. GW Bush puts his hand on some babe's butt and it's just like Weinstein asking Ashley Judd for a blow job. It started with "every woman must be believed", and now all the other whiners have picked it up.

    Though it is nice to see the photo evidence they've got of that rumpswab Al Franken.
    , @Anonymous

    You completely misunderstand what’s going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don’t want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That’s humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn’t mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it’s not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it’s harassment.
     

    This is correct.
    , @Anonymous

    Scientists have found that the pleasure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their partner’s bank balance.
     
    http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/study-rich-men-give-women-more-orgasms
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  82. Kylie says:

    Thank you, peterike. This looks good.

    I need to go back to John O’Hara. I’ve only read the one novel by him, The Lockwood Concern, and one short story, “Over the River and Through the Wood”. I found it easy to dismiss him due to his social ambitions. But I also felt I wasn’t being quite fair to him.

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    "I found it easy to dismiss him due to his social ambitions"

    I not sure what this means. Plenty of great novelists were upward strivers, I think. Including O'Hara's fellow 20th-century Irish Catholicman Scott Fitzgerald. Both may have been ruined by the fame game, alcoholism, or just stupid decisions. Nevertheless, both were productive of great literature.

    I don't know much about O'Hara's biography, except that he flamed out, burned bridges, and left a bad reputation. But that's all star stuff. The actual books and stories are still great. And he doesn't fall into that deracinated, alienated, or homogeneous soup upwardly mobile social outsiders enjoyed writing last century. (I'd say this century, too, but I don't know if literature continues to be written, ha-ha.) He didn't write about his own people, usually. Mostly his novels are about WASPs, though Hope of Heaven is about a drunken Irish writer.

    However, he had an excellent sense of place, writing much that takes place in Gibbsville, P.A. as well as assorted other places outside of big city Pennsylvania. Not a Faulknerian sense of place, but who besides him had that anymore?

    Above all, he's a master of realistic dialogue. Unlike most modernistic stuff, it's a gas to read. I think he's better at short stories and novellas, but he wrote many novels. Here are the ones I read in my order of appreciation:

    Ten North Frederick
    Appointment in Samarra
    From the Terrace
    A Rage to Live
    Butterfly Eight
    Hope of Heaven

    O'Hara has a place in my heart alongside other "forgotten" novelists who were popular in the previous century but subsequently overlooked by critics and academia.* (Usually dismissed as "middlebrow.") They haven't got to classic status, though they are remembered for movie adaptations, winning Pulutzers and such, and have some books still in print. As I recall, not even Butterfield Eight was in print when I was first turned on to O'Hara. I bought it used.

    *Others in the field of general fiction being James Gould Cozzens and John P. Marquand. In "genre" fiction, the names are too numerous to recount.

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  83. @benjaminl
    Off Topic:

    Goodthinkers Notice the Power of Crimethink. Something Must Be Done...

    https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21730870-economy-based-attention-easily-gamed-once-considered-boon-democracy-social-media
    https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21730871-facebook-google-and-twitter-were-supposed-save-politics-good-information-drove-out

    More who-whom. When the people they like win, their media is good. When the people they dislike win, their media is bad.

    They overlook that the media they hilariously wax nostalgic about was one-way, top-down and authoritarian. The difference today is that now the audience can talk back and to each other, and the old media pharisees hate that and are determined to stop it. Heh, who’s the reactionary now?

    They also overlook that their own chart shows that it is the supposedly sober left (Democrats) who have gone hysterically polarized, while the supposedly lunatic right (Republican) has stayed stable.

    But what do you expect from sententious writers who pen lines like, “This is freaking some people out.”? It’s probably a spotty 23-year-old high on espresso.

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  84. MBlanc46 says:
    @res
    At least there was one thoughtful comment from a Democrat:

    Tom J Berwyn, IL 2 hours ago
    They went for Obama in 2012, yet we insist on calling all of them racists now. I think Trump was their Bernie. Bernie supporters (I was one) are disenfranchised liberals, sick of the influence of Wall St. and big money. I think the way to reach both Trump supporters and Bernie supporters is to offer a likeable candidate who focuses on job creation for middle and lower income voters. The focus should be on things that give people a chance to lift themselves. If we don't offer that, we lose again.

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    Of course there is no chance the party will listen to a voice of reason like that.

    It is interesting that at the moment the only 2 NYT Picks have 0 and 1 recommends. At least they are not reflexively picking the oh so popular Trump-hate comments now.

    Berwyn is just a couple of towns east of my Cook County suburb. My mother worked in Berwyn when she was young. My wife’s boss was from Berwyn. Berwyn was originally largely Bohemian. Now there are a lot of Mexicans, but also some white hipsters like Tom J. Tom’s notion of uniting the Sanders supporters and Trump supporters is either disingenuous or the product of ignorance. Sanders voiced a bit of opposition to “free trade” but he’s full-bore in favor mass immigration and would have a stroke if the words “America first” ever passed his lips. That is the issue that Trump got elected on. I would imagine that Tom knows this, in which case he’s lying to us about what the Sanders movement is about. If Tom doesn’t know that, he’s too ignorant to be offering political advice.

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  85. MBlanc46 says:
    @guest
    You completely misunderstand what's going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don't want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That's humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn't mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it's not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it's harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we're going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn't just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there's morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it's also clear that he's not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he's aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

    “Women”and “objective standards” are not concepts that are easily reconciled.

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    Rocks, for instance, can't be objective, because they're just rocks. But geologists can be objective about rocks.

    The same can be done with women. We can frame more objective standards for situations involving them, whether or not they can be objective themselves.

    Catch is, it's always going to partly depend upon their perceptions. There's no modern way to get around that. Traditional societies did, to an extent, by constantly surrounding them with people who were responsible for them. That is, never leaving them alone with strange men.

    Here, feminists and traditionalists agree. Women aren't to be trusted alone in the cold, dark world.
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  86. @res
    Do you have a link? The table I see is different than you describe (e.g. no "top 5%"): https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf

    At that link Table 695 looks easier to interpret.

    https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf is correct but that is interesting when I last examined this in detail it was split out by quartile.

    I have to go through my personal docs for old links but you can still work out most of the important information with the table as presented.

    You are also right that it requires a bit of interpretation – it takes someone extracting the info and putting it into charts and graphs that compare each part with whole, to get a picture of what it’s saying. But what it says, contains the answer.

    Oh – it’s important too to focus on the latest period line in each sub-chart – 2009. All the other lines are static that can distract a reader from the point of the table.

    I’ll check on my docs and see if there’s an older, clearer version.

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  87. snorlax says:
    @Forbes
    Considering the sludge that Slovoj Zizek usually dispenses, that's quite clever.

    Perhaps he was plagiarizing Steve again?

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  88. MarcB. says:

    “Neither Romney nor John McCain, the previous two Republican nominees, campaigned on racially freighted issues and neither produced the same pattern of support”.

    “Best of all, Romney and McCain lost.”

    That is the SS in action. The group I see completely ignored in the autopsy of the HRC 2016 loss are Whites who previously abandoned the established political parties by either voting third party or who stopped voting altogether. In states where Trump won by razor thin margins, those were likely the deciding votes.

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    he risks a charge of attempted rape and a life-long sexual offender rap.

    Just stay away from Western women. They’re all crazy. Get yourself a nice Eastern European or Asian girl instead.

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    Get yourself a nice Eastern European or Asian girl instead.
     
    Eastern European, why not? But Asian, no. I'd rather not take the risk of producing half-breed offspring who end up joining and exploiting the intersectualist whiny victim racket. If I'm going to have sons and daughters, they're going to be productive men and women.
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  90. @res
    Do you have a link? The table I see is different than you describe (e.g. no "top 5%"): https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0696.pdf

    At that link Table 695 looks easier to interpret.

    OK – found it.
    So – I have the whole kit-and-kaboodle, including the full spreadsheet version of 696 that I downloaded a few years ago – the pdf is a summary, the spreadsheet version is big and data-thick – it is curious to me that it seems a bit hard now to find an online trace to the data-rich spreadsheet version.

    I also have tons of mathematical analysis of this that I did some time back that converts it into images that make sense – would love to make it available. Not sure how that can be done.

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    Thanks for looking. Do you have the full filename for the spreadsheet? (mainly the extension) If you can't find it online it might be available in the Internet Archive.

    Actually, changing the extension on that link from pdf to xls gives a spreadsheet. It has much more historical data, but no quartiles that I see. Is that the same one you have?

    I don't have any good ideas for making your analysis available beyond your comment to iSteve. Looking at that data in more detail does sound worthwhile to me.
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  91. Pat Boyle says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Pat, I don't think your conservative views on this topic put you outside of the mainstream of iSteve commenters and probably they don't put you outside the mainstream of "the mainstream" when people tell the honest truth (see, they don't a lot).

    People here on the comments below the many Sailer posts on Weinstein and the rest of these Hollywood people are just gleeful about the idea of these lefty, anti-American types "eating their own", so to speak. I am one of said gleeful people, even though I don't care who any of these people are, and I have never heard of 1/2 of them. I only looked up Rose McGowan because someone wrote that she was hot - she's not the only girl on the internet wearing a bikini, I found out (that was my 2-day hiatus from iSteve.... ;-}

    When people who have been mostly anti-Americans since the 1970's, with almost all of them being that way nowadays, are losing, then Americans are winning. Don't pay attention to the feminism "I hate being touched and looked at" crap. Nobody believes all that, besides, possibly the Hildabeast ... but she may not be of our world ....

    I watch entirely too much TV but still I never seem recognize most of the “celebrities” I see referenced on the web. Starlets seem to have the fame lifespan of a mayfly.

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  92. @The Alarmist
    Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    Plantation of Ulster.

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  93. Pat Boyle says:
    @peterike
    Well, there may be "enclaves" of toxic whiteness still left in America, but in every one of those towns you now have a bunch of illegal Chinese running the local take-out slops joint. You also have two, three, or ten families of Mexicans or Guatemalans, whose children are bringing lice to the local schoolhouse for the first time in 100 years. Or the local Patel or Muhammad running the 7-11 or the Day's Inn. And somehow they all manage to be on the dole, even the owners, who are happily making use of taxpayer funded small business loans. And none of them are hiring the locals.

    Other than a few towns of wealthy white Progressives, these white enclaves are now all pock-marked with diversity. And in a great shock to urbane Progressives like Mr. Edsall, white voters noticed.

    Interesting, too, that he uses the word "enclaves," as it suggests a final redoubt of an oppressed group. Which is actually entirely accurate, but Mr. Edsall sees these beaten-down people as the oppressors.

    He should die a thousand slow deaths.

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese. When I was very young (and didn’t know any better) I was an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. This was the late sixties.

    Then as now, most of the welfare recipients were black, a few were white and absolutely none were Chinese. This was in spite of the Chinese being by far the poorest ethnic segment of the population.

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    He never said anything about welfare. He did hit on an important point that's lost on the libertarian dittleheads extolling the entrepreneurial virtues of immigrants, who supposedly have higher rates of business ownership than natural-born citizens, at the Orwellianly-named reason.com: for various reasons including but not limited to linguistics, they are more apt to work on the black market AND to have many of their transactions escape audits. It's unfair competition if I ever saw it.
    , @peterike

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese.

     

    No I'm not. They are way more woke now, you see. Ok, maybe they don't go on dah welfare out of some kind of work pride, but lemme tell you, EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight. Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating. So the kids are getting free lunches in school, even if daddy is loaded. And many of them are happily getting Snap cards as well.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are "Asian." And there are 45.4 million recipients (as of 2016). That gives you over a million Asian SNAP users. Officially.
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  94. @ThreeCranes
    Edsall says that benighted "decisively white" Trumpians who have "set the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course", "can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration."

    Weren't those the key elements, the very planks of the Democratic Party platform of Obama's, Hilary's campaigns?

    I'm confused. The Death of Irony, indeed.

    Doesn't irony require that one hold two thoughts simultaneously in mind? Then, irony cannot occur to a person who has no working memory.

    I noticed he actually included the I-word.

    The 2016 results suggest that residents of a diminishing number of decisively white American towns and small cities — even those which supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 — can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration.

    I’m guessing here, but concern about multiculturalism and immigration goes far past these small white communities he writes about.

    On the Canadian blog I help out a bit, concerns about both are widespread. But the effects of both are far more visible in the big cities.

    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.

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    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.
     
    Toronto seems to be a place where virtually any immigrant from anywhere is welcome anytime. Those who don't make it into the US always seem to be in Toronto.
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  95. MBlanc46 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    There’s some truth to this, but I think that you’ve exaggerated on a number of points. But even the truths are unsayable in the current political climate.

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  96. Nico says:
    @Pat Boyle
    You are probably wrong about the Chinese. When I was very young (and didn't know any better) I was an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. This was the late sixties.

    Then as now, most of the welfare recipients were black, a few were white and absolutely none were Chinese. This was in spite of the Chinese being by far the poorest ethnic segment of the population.

    He never said anything about welfare. He did hit on an important point that’s lost on the libertarian dittleheads extolling the entrepreneurial virtues of immigrants, who supposedly have higher rates of business ownership than natural-born citizens, at the Orwellianly-named reason.com: for various reasons including but not limited to linguistics, they are more apt to work on the black market AND to have many of their transactions escape audits. It’s unfair competition if I ever saw it.

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  97. JimB says:

    Wasn’t the whole point of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing policy by HUD run by Julian Castro, not to mention the refugee resettlement program, to eliminate the last vestiges of local white self-determination in America? What’s up with AFFH these days? Did Trump abolish it or is it another zombie Obama program, like Obamacare, kept on life support by the establishment?

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  98. @guest
    You completely misunderstand what's going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don't want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That's humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn't mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it's not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it's harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we're going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn't just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there's morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it's also clear that he's not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he's aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment.

    Dude, that ship sailed a long time ago. Every victim gets to choose who victimizes zer and how. GW Bush puts his hand on some babe’s butt and it’s just like Weinstein asking Ashley Judd for a blow job. It started with “every woman must be believed”, and now all the other whiners have picked it up.

    Though it is nice to see the photo evidence they’ve got of that rumpswab Al Franken.

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    But H.W. was only recently called to count, and I doubt anything serious will come of it.

    We've not yet reached Feminist Dystopia, when supposed victims get to declare truth unilaterally. Sometimes they're still doubted. The Duke Lacrosse and Haven Monahan cases are yet possible to resolve.

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  99. The basic argument is that you shouldn’t do anything until it’s too late.

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  100. Steve Sailer while I’m at it with proposing topics for you here’s another one:

    Median versus Mean income.

    Well established precedent is that when talking about average household income we should use Median income because, outlier effect.

    The habit is so well established that no one questions it, everyone does it from the elite (the “average” income is so and so as I talking head this on CNN or NPR”) to the ordinary (“I must be doing great because “average” household income is $54K – there abouts – and I make $80 K so I’m rocking it, right?) … AND, it is so well established that if you go looking for :

    Mean Household Income

    In other words: the arithmetic mean, household income,

    In other words: true “average” income, as almost all people who are not mathematicians understand what “average” means … you will have a d@mn hard time finding it.

    But you can find it – and if you can’t, you can determine it arithmetically sideways using some math techniques and census data.

    Hint:

    1) it’s higher than 99% of the readers of this page … the average, I mean … the average household income is higher than 99% of the readers of this page

    2) the “outlier effect” argument, is obsolete

    Arithmetic mean – matters.

    For some reason MSM isn’t talking about that.

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  101. @Frau Katze
    I noticed he actually included the I-word.

    The 2016 results suggest that residents of a diminishing number of decisively white American towns and small cities — even those which supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 — can now be politically mobilized around race, ethnicity, multiculturalism and immigration.
     
    I’m guessing here, but concern about multiculturalism and immigration goes far past these small white communities he writes about.

    On the Canadian blog I help out a bit, concerns about both are widespread. But the effects of both are far more visible in the big cities.

    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.

    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.

    Toronto seems to be a place where virtually any immigrant from anywhere is welcome anytime. Those who don’t make it into the US always seem to be in Toronto.

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    Maybe that's why the New Republic's Jeet Heer bases himself in of Toronto? I have no idea why a Desi-Canadian is even accepted as a participant in America's internal political arguments but he is.
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  102. res says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    OK - found it.
    So - I have the whole kit-and-kaboodle, including the full spreadsheet version of 696 that I downloaded a few years ago - the pdf is a summary, the spreadsheet version is big and data-thick - it is curious to me that it seems a bit hard now to find an online trace to the data-rich spreadsheet version.

    I also have tons of mathematical analysis of this that I did some time back that converts it into images that make sense - would love to make it available. Not sure how that can be done.

    Thanks for looking. Do you have the full filename for the spreadsheet? (mainly the extension) If you can’t find it online it might be available in the Internet Archive.

    Actually, changing the extension on that link from pdf to xls gives a spreadsheet. It has much more historical data, but no quartiles that I see. Is that the same one you have?

    I don’t have any good ideas for making your analysis available beyond your comment to iSteve. Looking at that data in more detail does sound worthwhile to me.

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    I have to make a correction on the quartile.

    When I did my own analysis of this data some years back I broke it into 5 groups which is possible with the columnar information provided. Since I was recalling this for commentary but not aiming for rigor the recollection came back to me as quartiles, but that's not how it's laid out it's how I interpreted the data into comparable groups for graphing / charting.

    It's worthwhile. I believe numbers. The numbers here tell most of the story that isn't being told. It deserves a lot more attention, thanks for being interested.
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  103. MBlanc46 says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Someone mentioned the "Republican project" in the comments on another run, I take that to be the project of the Republic, not the project of the Republican Party.

    With that in mind - I'd expand it: it's the Republican Labor Project - the project of the working class - where the working class is everyone who must work to live. That's important because part of the Hall of Mirrors Hypnosis Effect is that the top-two 25% quartiles of whites tend to be populated by people who incorrectly believe they are capitalists because they believe in capitalism. You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.

    Otherwise: you are labor. But I digress.

    With respect to my earlier post on US Census Table 696, the Republican Labor Project has its work cut out for it - but 40% of the work is articulating the work - and oddly: no one has done that. So I'll do it right now.

    The work is this: somewhere out there are millions of ambitious African Americans who want to get ahead in this life and don't want to be Crab-bucketed down with their number. For all the (b-ll-sh-t) kvetching on this site by the comments section about IQ, the bulk of this number are in an IQ zone where if they applied themselves, they can get ahead ... the exact same way white people, in the same IQ zone, apply themselves, and get ahead.

    But these ambitious fellows are presented with a Faustian choice that the ordinary ambitious working class white fellow is not: they can tokenize themselves for the 5%, which means mounting a SJW / victim-mongering persona that acts as a shield for the 5% against the legitimate grievances of the bottom quartile, ... or they can join forces with whites the bottom quartile, form a majority, and change everything.

    The latter strategy is better in the long-run, for everyone - even the 5%, because it means we don't have to fragment the country. But it's only better for the ambitious AA in question if AAs join in mass to do so.

    So - what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?
    What's going on with working class whites to let AAs know there is a path for joining forces?

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the "race war" agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner. Keep that in mind when listening to objections.

    Dream on. This was the fantasy of the Left in the early 1960s when I had tangential connection to it. “Black and white unite!” That sort of thing. It went nowhere then (except in little communist groupuscules) and it will go nowhere now (or in the future). Racial solidarity is too strong among blacks. Plus, for the 95–100 IQ black, being an AA employee or a race hustler is easier and more rewarding than throwing in with the marginalized white working class. And, for many whites, there have been too many encounters with criminal blacks for them to be seeking black allies.

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  104. Svigor says:

    I don’t recall Trump saying anything along the lines of, “If I had another son, he’d probably look like Officer Darren Wilson.”

    It would be epic if he did. Cephalosploshions galore.

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  105. El Dato says:

    It’s ACTUALLY AMAZING that Twitter’s extreme mind-control of the Hapless American Mind (“HAM”) via RUSSIAN TWEETBOTS and Zuckerburg’s Facefuck mind-control via RUSSIAN DIVERSITY-RENDING ADS and, finally, assorted anonymous FAKE NEWS OUTLETS being run from a SERBIAN TEENAGER LOFT were not fingered in a NYT times article but instead TRUMP V-DAY INFAMY was laid at the feet of THE WHITE DEPLORABILITY.

    What happened?

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  106. @Alec Leamas

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.
     
    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It's difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.

    Do you really belive that the DNC has the moral rectitude and fortitude to decide that Clinton Delenda Est?

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  107. Svigor says:

    I also have tons of mathematical analysis of this that I did some time back that converts it into images that make sense – would love to make it available. Not sure how that can be done.

    Sorry if I’m missing something, I sort of skipped to the bottom of this thread, then saw your conversation part-way through as I scrolled back up. If it’s digital files, you 1) put everything into a folder 2) make an archive out of the folder, via WinRAR, WinZip, 7-Zip, Bandizip, etc. 3) distribute via any of several filesharing methods: upload to free cloud sites like Google Drive, upload to crappy free hosts like DepositFiles or CloudyFiles, or upload it as a torrent on any of the zillion public trackers.

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  108. @res
    Thanks for looking. Do you have the full filename for the spreadsheet? (mainly the extension) If you can't find it online it might be available in the Internet Archive.

    Actually, changing the extension on that link from pdf to xls gives a spreadsheet. It has much more historical data, but no quartiles that I see. Is that the same one you have?

    I don't have any good ideas for making your analysis available beyond your comment to iSteve. Looking at that data in more detail does sound worthwhile to me.

    I have to make a correction on the quartile.

    When I did my own analysis of this data some years back I broke it into 5 groups which is possible with the columnar information provided. Since I was recalling this for commentary but not aiming for rigor the recollection came back to me as quartiles, but that’s not how it’s laid out it’s how I interpreted the data into comparable groups for graphing / charting.

    It’s worthwhile. I believe numbers. The numbers here tell most of the story that isn’t being told. It deserves a lot more attention, thanks for being interested.

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    BTW - when you actually work out the totals, they do work to effective quartiles.
    Here's an example:

    The bottom "quartile" are those households making <$35K / year, the next are those making $35 - $99K, the next are those making $100 - $199K and the remaining are those making $200K and above.

    Sample highlights:

    Of households making $35K / less per year:

    11.8 million (55%) are, according to the USCB: white
    4.4 million (20%) are black
    819K (4%) are Asian
    4.6 million (21%) are Hispanic
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  109. El Dato says:
    @The King is a Fink

    So is the NYT the winner, the greatest machine of false propaganda in history?
     
    What is more worrisome is that at least the readers of Pravda probably knew it was bullshit, and treated it accordingly. The same cannot be said for the people who read the NYT and its ilk. I struggle to understand how many seemingly intelligent people I know are so stupid in the face of such propaganda. Have none of them read a history book?

    Intelligent People don’t read!

    Intelligent People KNOW!

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  110. Svigor says:

    So now Sly Stallone and Al Franken???

    *Sobs*

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  111. @Mr. Anon
    The effrontery of the title of Edsall's piece, "White-on-White Voting", is remarkable - as if the very act of voting for Donald Trump was an act of violence - a crime - committed against your fellow citizens.

    Well, he is right about one thing. A lot of the vote for Trump was racial, if even sub-consciously - to at least try to preserve some of the old white America that a lot of us remember. It was identity politics practiced by whites, and clearly that scares some people.

    Is it time to initiate the Congressional White Caucus?

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  112. Svigor says:

    Let’s just get it over with already and call them what they’re intended to be – reservations.

    Ha! We should be so lucky. That would be a drastic improvement over what they have planned for us. In fact, in many ways, that would be better than what we have now.

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  113. @Buzz Mohawk

    The blog owner lives in Toronto, which had been inundated with both multiculturalism and immigration.
     
    Toronto seems to be a place where virtually any immigrant from anywhere is welcome anytime. Those who don't make it into the US always seem to be in Toronto.

    Maybe that’s why the New Republic‘s Jeet Heer bases himself in of Toronto? I have no idea why a Desi-Canadian is even accepted as a participant in America’s internal political arguments but he is.

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  114. Twinkie says:
    @Tamaqua
    Pittsburgh is the largest city that is still the least “diverse”, although it has had a Democratic mayor since 1933. The Republican Party of Allegheny County doesn’t even bother contesting the Dem nominees, so Trump was ready made to sweep Western Pennsylvania, with the exception of Allegheny County, with 25% black city voters tipping the balance, but that majority is slipping. Pittsburgh is ripe for a populist/nationalist candidate, but the local Republicans (epitomized by Tim Murphy) follow the emasculated national leadership rather than the upstart Trump supporters. The only way white social conservatives can make their voices heard here is on a national, not a local, stage. Those “Yinzers” in the Mon Valley voted for Obama out of economic desperation, just as they voted for Trump, with the crucial addition of his unapologetic, gleeful middle finger to the political establishment of both parties.

    25% black city voters

    Is the area between downtown and Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside still a no-go zone or has it been gentrified? It’s been a while since I’ve been to Pittsburgh.

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    Wilkinsburg and Homewood are still shitholes. McKeesport is like Fallujah, Oakland is getting worse, and Beaver County (Aliquippa is, naturally, leading the way in criminal negrosity) needs to have whole sections walled off and napalmed. All of those aforementioned neighborhoods are of course, blacker than Africa and are the reasons Trump won- he went to Ambridge, not Homewood like Hillary did while the cuck Rooneys and Peduto looked on in simpering sweetness. I knew Western Pennsylvania was going to swing Trump hard when in the former mill hunky towns and even upscale Beaver, I saw 20 Trump yard signs for every one Clinton.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh,that area has never been "no go". U. of Pittsburgh pretty much owns Oakland and you seldom see blacks on campus, unless they're athletes.

    Squirrel Hill has been home to Pgh's Jewish enclave and for the most part there's still a significant number of Jewish residents there. For the longest time, Squirrel Hill was vastly white. Can't imagine why.
    Shadyside was always a higher end SWPL Yuppie urbaneque whitopia. Really aren't many blacks at all in Shadyside. Oakland has been slowly been gobbled up by PIT's main campus as well as UPMC, which tends to push residents out even more.

    Basically, most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District), North Side, (the upper parts that haven't been gentrified), and the East End area, although the western part of the East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there's a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.

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  115. guest says:
    @anonymouslee
    Noam Chomsky always said Pravda was less humiliating than the New York Times because at least the people at Pravda knew they were putting out propaganda; the idiots at the NYT go home believing their own bullshit. Much scarier.

    I don’t see how that would be less humiliating. How humiliating can it be if you don’t know you’re being humiliated?

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    The NYT: Like Venus in Furs, but all her lovers think it's just the girl next door?
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  116. Bleuteaux says:
    @The Alarmist
    Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    Yes. The effect of this on small towns in the Midwest has been unbelievable.

    And as Steve always says, we’re not supposed to notice.

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    Yes. The effect of this on small towns in the Midwest has been unbelievable.
     
    There might be a suburb of St. Louis like that, the name of which currently escapes me.
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  117. @Anonymous
    Look at her gloved hand - makes me think of a future Cruella de Vil.

    That’s her money.

    Her other hand is up his ass.

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  118. guest says:
    @MBlanc46
    “Women”and “objective standards” are not concepts that are easily reconciled.

    Rocks, for instance, can’t be objective, because they’re just rocks. But geologists can be objective about rocks.

    The same can be done with women. We can frame more objective standards for situations involving them, whether or not they can be objective themselves.

    Catch is, it’s always going to partly depend upon their perceptions. There’s no modern way to get around that. Traditional societies did, to an extent, by constantly surrounding them with people who were responsible for them. That is, never leaving them alone with strange men.

    Here, feminists and traditionalists agree. Women aren’t to be trusted alone in the cold, dark world.

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    Well put.
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  119. El Dato says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    And in other news, today's picture of success -- the nerd who got the hot chick and his signature on the money. "Handsome Steve" Mnuchin shows off his wife and the new bills with his signature as Treasury Secretary.

    https://epeak.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/steve-mnuchins-photos-with-dollar-bills-are-everything-thats-wrong-with-the-world.jpg

    his signature on the money.

    It’s not money. It’s printed paper.

    There is a difference, though we have been badly brainwashed to ignore it.

    Anything that a Central Bank can shit out by the boatload is NOT money.

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    It’s not money. It’s printed paper.
     
    Yes, I know, and I will gladly trade you a chicken if you will clear the leaves off my lawn.

    Or would you prefer our upcoming world reserve currency:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/01/business/01renminbi-web/01renminbi-web-master675.jpg
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  120. peterike says:
    @Pat Boyle
    You are probably wrong about the Chinese. When I was very young (and didn't know any better) I was an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. This was the late sixties.

    Then as now, most of the welfare recipients were black, a few were white and absolutely none were Chinese. This was in spite of the Chinese being by far the poorest ethnic segment of the population.

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese.

    No I’m not. They are way more woke now, you see. Ok, maybe they don’t go on dah welfare out of some kind of work pride, but lemme tell you, EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight. Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating. So the kids are getting free lunches in school, even if daddy is loaded. And many of them are happily getting Snap cards as well.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are “Asian.” And there are 45.4 million recipients (as of 2016). That gives you over a million Asian SNAP users. Officially.

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    Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating
     
    I'm not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance. Same goes for the rest of my family and other Asians I know of, including Hapas. Merit scholarships is all we had. And yes, we used them but its not like it wasn't available to anyone else.

    But as you obviously have an agenda to live up to, I wouldn't want reality to make you think anything different.

    , @Twinkie

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are “Asian.”
     
    “Asians” are six percent of the national population.
    , @Johann Ricke

    EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight.
     
    Not sure if the Chinese have special dispensation, but Social Security is typically available only to 62-year-olds (and older) with 40 quarters of work history.

    Your retirement benefits

    How do you qualify for retirement benefits?

    When you work and pay Social Security taxes, you earn “credits” toward Social Security benefits. The number of credits you need to get retirement benefits depends on when you were born. If you were born in 1929 or later, you need 40 credits (10 years of work).

    If you stop working before you have enough credits to qualify for benefits, the credits will remain on your Social Security record. If you return to work later, you can add more credits to qualify. We can’t pay any retirement benefits until you have the required number of credits.
     
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  121. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I have to make a correction on the quartile.

    When I did my own analysis of this data some years back I broke it into 5 groups which is possible with the columnar information provided. Since I was recalling this for commentary but not aiming for rigor the recollection came back to me as quartiles, but that's not how it's laid out it's how I interpreted the data into comparable groups for graphing / charting.

    It's worthwhile. I believe numbers. The numbers here tell most of the story that isn't being told. It deserves a lot more attention, thanks for being interested.

    BTW – when you actually work out the totals, they do work to effective quartiles.
    Here’s an example:

    The bottom “quartile” are those households making <$35K / year, the next are those making $35 – $99K, the next are those making $100 – $199K and the remaining are those making $200K and above.

    Sample highlights:

    Of households making $35K / less per year:

    11.8 million (55%) are, according to the USCB: white
    4.4 million (20%) are black
    819K (4%) are Asian
    4.6 million (21%) are Hispanic

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  122. Simon says:
    @Kylie
    Slightly OT:

    I'm on a Conrad kick. Just reread "Heart of Darkness", "The Secret Agent" and "The Secret Sharer", read "An Outcast of the Islands" and am now reading "Lord Jim". Conrad and H. James have always been my two favorite authors, though Conrad is not one whose works I pick up just for fun. But I'm even more awed by Conrad now than I was forty years ago. I've always considered Melville, James and Conrad to be the three greatest prose poets in the English language. But of these three, Conrad is certainly the best. His command of a language he didn't learn until his 20's moves me to tears.

    If anyone needs a break from the insane and inane spitefulness and pettiness of modern life, he cannot do better than to revisit Conrad.

    Also, a very good piece on Conrad by Michael Gorra in the 11/11 Wall Street Journal book review (if you can get behind its paywall).

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  123. Old Left says:

    So when whites who had previously voted for a black guy don’t vote for a white shrew, that’s their whiteness showing?

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  124. guest says:
    @Kylie
    Thank you, peterike. This looks good.

    I need to go back to John O'Hara. I've only read the one novel by him, The Lockwood Concern, and one short story, "Over the River and Through the Wood". I found it easy to dismiss him due to his social ambitions. But I also felt I wasn't being quite fair to him.

    “I found it easy to dismiss him due to his social ambitions”

    I not sure what this means. Plenty of great novelists were upward strivers, I think. Including O’Hara’s fellow 20th-century Irish Catholicman Scott Fitzgerald. Both may have been ruined by the fame game, alcoholism, or just stupid decisions. Nevertheless, both were productive of great literature.

    I don’t know much about O’Hara’s biography, except that he flamed out, burned bridges, and left a bad reputation. But that’s all star stuff. The actual books and stories are still great. And he doesn’t fall into that deracinated, alienated, or homogeneous soup upwardly mobile social outsiders enjoyed writing last century. (I’d say this century, too, but I don’t know if literature continues to be written, ha-ha.) He didn’t write about his own people, usually. Mostly his novels are about WASPs, though Hope of Heaven is about a drunken Irish writer.

    However, he had an excellent sense of place, writing much that takes place in Gibbsville, P.A. as well as assorted other places outside of big city Pennsylvania. Not a Faulknerian sense of place, but who besides him had that anymore?

    Above all, he’s a master of realistic dialogue. Unlike most modernistic stuff, it’s a gas to read. I think he’s better at short stories and novellas, but he wrote many novels. Here are the ones I read in my order of appreciation:

    Ten North Frederick
    Appointment in Samarra
    From the Terrace
    A Rage to Live
    Butterfly Eight
    Hope of Heaven

    O’Hara has a place in my heart alongside other “forgotten” novelists who were popular in the previous century but subsequently overlooked by critics and academia.* (Usually dismissed as “middlebrow.”) They haven’t got to classic status, though they are remembered for movie adaptations, winning Pulutzers and such, and have some books still in print. As I recall, not even Butterfield Eight was in print when I was first turned on to O’Hara. I bought it used.

    *Others in the field of general fiction being James Gould Cozzens and John P. Marquand. In “genre” fiction, the names are too numerous to recount.

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  125. El Dato says:
    @guest
    I don't see how that would be less humiliating. How humiliating can it be if you don't know you're being humiliated?

    The NYT: Like Venus in Furs, but all her lovers think it’s just the girl next door?

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  126. @peterike

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese.

     

    No I'm not. They are way more woke now, you see. Ok, maybe they don't go on dah welfare out of some kind of work pride, but lemme tell you, EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight. Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating. So the kids are getting free lunches in school, even if daddy is loaded. And many of them are happily getting Snap cards as well.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are "Asian." And there are 45.4 million recipients (as of 2016). That gives you over a million Asian SNAP users. Officially.

    Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating

    I’m not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance. Same goes for the rest of my family and other Asians I know of, including Hapas. Merit scholarships is all we had. And yes, we used them but its not like it wasn’t available to anyone else.

    But as you obviously have an agenda to live up to, I wouldn’t want reality to make you think anything different.

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    “I’m not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance.”

    Well poor you.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Chieh, it sounds like you and your people are on the up-and-up, but I happen to have some personally-obtained knowledge that jives with what Mr. Peterike wrote. It's not about the legal immigrants and their children, as you state well.

    Most of the Chinese restaurants that are all over this country employ illegal Chinese immigrants to bus tables and be waitresses. This adds up to millions of people, and I also learned about how they are "handled" in a pretty organized fashion to send them all over for the work. Let me tell you, whether it's illegal alien supply lines or gung-bao chicken supply lines, the Chinese will be way more organized and efficient than the Mexicans.

    That was an aside, really, but the point is that the owners of these restaurants do a lot of cash accounting, meaning lots of tax evasion. I personally kind of support anyone who cheats the Feral Gov't out of anything, but, it turns out, though making and saving lots of money, these owners and families still apply for any kind of government benefit they can get based on their meager "on-paper" income.

    I don't support any welfare state, but this contrast is really something: lots of blacks and some poor whites get this money off the taxpayers too, but they do when they really need it. I didn't say they deserve it, necessarily, but they need it due to their terrible handling of money and the poor economy. In the meantime, the Chinese illegals and employers thereof save lots of money, something they are very good at, while still milking money from the taxpayers to get that much richer.

    Hey, I don't have the numbers. These people don't put it all out there on-line.
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  127. @El Dato

    his signature on the money.
     
    It's not money. It's printed paper.

    There is a difference, though we have been badly brainwashed to ignore it.

    Anything that a Central Bank can shit out by the boatload is NOT money.

    It’s not money. It’s printed paper.

    Yes, I know, and I will gladly trade you a chicken if you will clear the leaves off my lawn.

    Or would you prefer our upcoming world reserve currency:

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  128. d@mn, I posted this on the wrong thread, but maybe the good moderator at iSteve can delete the other one …

    There is goodie after goodie after goodie in USCT 696.

    While underrepresented in proportion to their presence in the overall population, whites are nevertheless an absolute majority of those in the bottom quartile – households earning below $35K / year.

    Whites are present in approximate proportion to their actual number in the overall population in the middle two quartiles of $35k – $99K/ year and $99 – $199K / year – that is: in this broad swath whites are neither over represented nor underrepresented – in the broadest stroke of the American middle – whites are present according to their overall numbers in the entire population. I’m repetitive here because this is a giant swath of data that should say to policy-makers: “there is nearly nothing to correct, as far as white representation here”, so any attempt to “correct” will probably create a problem where none existed.

    In households making $200K or greater – the top quartile, whites are overrepresented by about 11% … which is something, but it’s actually not that much, and: the key policy solution here, if we presume white overrepresentation is a problem, is that we should see how we can push more under-represented Hispanic and African-American households into opportunity where they may correct these numbers, we shouldn’t be trying to block white households from the same.

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  129. @Forbes
    You're not outside the mainstream--either here or contemporary politics.

    What is expressed on iSteve is the gleefulness of the chickens coming home to roost--supposed moral betters and elites caught up in a dragnet of their own making.

    Contemporary politics is another matter. Despite the fact that the cucks of the GOPe merely cow-tow to whatever nostrums are organized by progressive Democrats--reinforced with the megaphone used by the ankle-biting media--as someone (Kissinger?) said, the battle of the sexes will never be won because there is too much fraternization amongst the combatants.

    The moral panic under way is the temper tantrum of those that didn't get their way in the election--the fear and hysterical reaction to feeling powerless in a moment of uncertainty--and lashing out.

    No big deal, but as a self-appointed Guardian of the English Language I would politely ask you to change “cow-tow” to “kowtow”. “Kowtow” comes (I just looked it up!) from the Cantonese “kau tau”, which is the act of prostrating (as before the Emperor of China), kneeling with one’s forehead touching the ground.

    I beat Derbyshire to the punch!

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  130. guest says:
    @Kylie
    Slightly OT:

    I'm on a Conrad kick. Just reread "Heart of Darkness", "The Secret Agent" and "The Secret Sharer", read "An Outcast of the Islands" and am now reading "Lord Jim". Conrad and H. James have always been my two favorite authors, though Conrad is not one whose works I pick up just for fun. But I'm even more awed by Conrad now than I was forty years ago. I've always considered Melville, James and Conrad to be the three greatest prose poets in the English language. But of these three, Conrad is certainly the best. His command of a language he didn't learn until his 20's moves me to tears.

    If anyone needs a break from the insane and inane spitefulness and pettiness of modern life, he cannot do better than to revisit Conrad.

    I’ve never really thought such a thing as prose poetry should exist, which perhaps explains my mixed feelings on Melville. Whereas I had to skip around Moby Dick and hate Pierre and the Confidence Man, I love Billy Budd, Bartelby, and Benito Cereno. Henry James I read for character, plot, and such, the prose style I could wish different.

    Conrad, however, I find much more agreeable than his “difficult” reputation. To me he’s, if not clear as possible, very comfortable to read. Which is more surprising when you discover he didn’t speak English fluently before his 20s. All the Symbolist and proto-modern guff surrounding his works I find wide of the mark.

    Nostromo is my favorite. His spy novels, Secret Agent and Under Western Eyes, were fun. There’s also one called Chance I enjoyed, which I later found out was originally his best-seller.

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  131. njguy73 says:
    @Flip
    “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
    -Lee Kuan Yew

    “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
    -Lee Kuan Yew

    That just might be the most insightful political quote of the 20th Century.

    And on Lee Kuan Yew’s Wikiquote page, it is nowhere to be found.

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    The source is a Der Spiegel article, an interview with Lee Kwan Yew. The article is in English.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-singapore-s-lee-kuan-yew-it-s-stupid-to-be-afraid-a-369128.html
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    This can be the start of a whole new literary genre... that mixes mystery, sci-fi, romance, horror, and fantasy.

    The hate fantasy. Imagine yourself as a victim -- always of straight whites males -- and invent a story of how you're hounded and terrified by Evil Whitey.

    It can even be a class project. Every child, regardless of race or color, must imagine himself or herself to be a multi-racial homo kid who came to be victimized by Evil Whites.

    Damn. Rolling Stone could have gotten away with the UVA story if they'd just changed it from journalism to social justice fiction.

    It's like in LAST DAYS OF DISCO. The author of Tibetan Buddhism turned out to be a fraud so they just re-categorized as a self-help book.
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  133. njguy73 says:
    @Bleuteaux
    Yes. The effect of this on small towns in the Midwest has been unbelievable.

    And as Steve always says, we're not supposed to notice.

    Yes. The effect of this on small towns in the Midwest has been unbelievable.

    There might be a suburb of St. Louis like that, the name of which currently escapes me.

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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Alarmist
    Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    … to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    Weaponized diversity. It seems to be happening where I live, but everyone seems to be afraid to talk about it except in the most oblique manner.

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    Kind of a sick twist on that "Nobody was left to speak when they came for me," eh?
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  135. @Kylie
    Slightly OT:

    I'm on a Conrad kick. Just reread "Heart of Darkness", "The Secret Agent" and "The Secret Sharer", read "An Outcast of the Islands" and am now reading "Lord Jim". Conrad and H. James have always been my two favorite authors, though Conrad is not one whose works I pick up just for fun. But I'm even more awed by Conrad now than I was forty years ago. I've always considered Melville, James and Conrad to be the three greatest prose poets in the English language. But of these three, Conrad is certainly the best. His command of a language he didn't learn until his 20's moves me to tears.

    If anyone needs a break from the insane and inane spitefulness and pettiness of modern life, he cannot do better than to revisit Conrad.

    Agreed. I’m not the most literary person, but I understand that Conrad’s work is a paragon of descriptive writing, not written as today by and for people who think in movie scenes and video, but crafted when writers had to use words to conjure images in readers’ minds.

    I first came to appreciate Conrad when a law professor held him up as someone to study if you want to know how to get people to see things in their minds. I wasn’t a law student; one of my many odd jobs involved videotaping young lawyers while they practiced things like cross-examination and voir dire, and closing statements. Their mentor, an experienced trial lawyer, kept telling everybody to read Conrad.

    Melville’s Moby Dick is fine too. I don’t see why people have a problem with it. I especially like the long sentences. They guy really knew how to use commas. Just sit down and read the damn book.

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  136. Thomas says:

    OT: following up on a previous iSteve story (http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-cognitive-diversity-is-racist/), it seems that Apple’s VP of “Diversity and Inclusion,” who was so hate-filled as to suggest that “white, blue-eyed, blond men” could have a diversity of life experiences, is on her way out. (https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/16/apple-vp-of-diversity-and-inclusion-denise-young-smith-is-leaving/)

    Her replacement is blonde-haired and blue-eyed but seems to be diverse in a… different way. https://leanin.org/stories/christie-smith/

    Mx.(?) Smith also appears to have done some work on “inclusion” that may validate the point that Ms. Young wasn’t able to make on behalf of Apple. “We’re diverse, honest! Please don’t saddle us down with a bunch of affirmative action hires!” (https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/pages/about-deloitte/articles/radical-transformation-of-diversity-and-inclusion.html)

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  137. Twinkie says:
    @peterike

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese.

     

    No I'm not. They are way more woke now, you see. Ok, maybe they don't go on dah welfare out of some kind of work pride, but lemme tell you, EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight. Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating. So the kids are getting free lunches in school, even if daddy is loaded. And many of them are happily getting Snap cards as well.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are "Asian." And there are 45.4 million recipients (as of 2016). That gives you over a million Asian SNAP users. Officially.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are “Asian.”

    “Asians” are six percent of the national population.

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  138. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    You completely misunderstand what's going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don't want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That's humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn't mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it's not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it's harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we're going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn't just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there's morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it's also clear that he's not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he's aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

    You completely misunderstand what’s going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don’t want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That’s humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn’t mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it’s not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it’s harassment.

    This is correct.

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  139. guest says:

    This article isn’t as inflammatory (to borrow its terminology) as it could have been. Notice he’s careful–at least in the sections I read–not to say outright that Trump mobilized voting blocs by inflaming white racial consciousness. Just that he won by running on “racially freighted issues,” and that he proved ethnically poorwhite voting blocs could be mobilized on ethnic/racial grounds. Which doesn’t sound like much, since Republicans have been incessantly accused of mobilizing badwhites via “dog whistles” since the South switched after the Civil Rights era.

    Difference now is whites are starting to form an identity, and the Republican Party is becoming the White Party. But that’s really not Trump’s doing. If Trump was deliberately trying to inflame white identity politics, he was doing an extraordinarily subtle job of it.

    Thinking otherwise means taking immigration and trade and making them all about race. Which is kinda like Freud reducing all of culture to the incest motive. If that’s true, there’s nothing remarkable about it. Anything and everything could be about race, which is of course the idiotic position of Critical Race Theory, and the practice of “woke” people everywhere. But what about everything else Trump ran on, like foreign policy, Drain the Swamp, and the general awfulness of Hillary Clinton?

    Back to trade and immigration, whites not hooked into globalist gravy train can’t help but be racist, no matter what they believe, unless they go out of their way to vote against their interests. (That is, accepting the definition of racism that makes things racist only when whites do it.) Which of course is what the ruling class expects of them. But don’t be surprised if some politician at some point doesn’t go along with what the ruling class wants.

    Truth is, if whites are getting into the identity politics game, it’s not because of Republicans. They could’ve got in the game generations ago. This was Democrat strategy, PC, and SJW-ism inviting the Nemesis of white reaction.

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  140. @Mike M
    "small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities"


    Can there be anything more hideous or frightening than this. SUPER-WHITE

    “small numbers of voters in super-white municipalities”

    Can there be anything more hideous or frightening than this. SUPER-WHITE

    Is that a Yorkshire allusion?

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  141. @AndrewR
    It was about race. The left was explicitly anti-white. Trump supporters were implicitly anti-anti-white.

    Yes, indeed. That was a good way of saying it.

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  142. CK says:
    @Polymath
    Fiorina and Carson were career pols? Fiorina was a man? Did you read your own link?

    The nits have been picked. Fiorina was a career incompetent but has a pass because she is female, Carson is now a pol was a wannabe pol last year.

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  143. Tamaqua says:
    @Twinkie

    25% black city voters
     
    Is the area between downtown and Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside still a no-go zone or has it been gentrified? It's been a while since I've been to Pittsburgh.

    Wilkinsburg and Homewood are still shitholes. McKeesport is like Fallujah, Oakland is getting worse, and Beaver County (Aliquippa is, naturally, leading the way in criminal negrosity) needs to have whole sections walled off and napalmed. All of those aforementioned neighborhoods are of course, blacker than Africa and are the reasons Trump won- he went to Ambridge, not Homewood like Hillary did while the cuck Rooneys and Peduto looked on in simpering sweetness. I knew Western Pennsylvania was going to swing Trump hard when in the former mill hunky towns and even upscale Beaver, I saw 20 Trump yard signs for every one Clinton.

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  144. Svigor says:

    I was in this thread before it became “The Horror! the Horror! … Exterminate All the Brutes!” Back in the day, when it was just “Exterminate All the Brutes!”

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  145. Tiny Duck says:

    Absolutely frightening. The source of the fear in these super white communities is the isolation that they desire. Self segregating fosters fear of others. This study shows that these areas are all experiencing population declines. The young are leaving for the big cities. That tide will continue as the traditional jobs have disappeared.

    Ironically, it is an influx of immigrants that these communities need to reinvigorate them. The new people represent new demand and many will start their own businesses to satisfy it. Aging populations consume less. Add in declining populations and communities die off. Giving billionaires tax cuts will not put money into white small town America. Communities grow from the bottom up, not the top down.

    It would be interesting to contrast these population groups with the gun issue. I would venture to guess that there has been a corresponding increase against gun control legislation in these places. The reason being that gun ownership is the only power they have. They have no money, no opportunity. But they have their guns. They can hold that rifle and say “I have power”. No they don’t. The billionaires have the power and the billionaires are who Trump is helping at their expense. They fell for it. Now we all must suffer.

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  146. @Twinkie

    25% black city voters
     
    Is the area between downtown and Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside still a no-go zone or has it been gentrified? It's been a while since I've been to Pittsburgh.

    Uh,that area has never been “no go”. U. of Pittsburgh pretty much owns Oakland and you seldom see blacks on campus, unless they’re athletes.

    Squirrel Hill has been home to Pgh’s Jewish enclave and for the most part there’s still a significant number of Jewish residents there. For the longest time, Squirrel Hill was vastly white. Can’t imagine why.
    Shadyside was always a higher end SWPL Yuppie urbaneque whitopia. Really aren’t many blacks at all in Shadyside. Oakland has been slowly been gobbled up by PIT’s main campus as well as UPMC, which tends to push residents out even more.

    Basically, most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District), North Side, (the upper parts that haven’t been gentrified), and the East End area, although the western part of the East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there’s a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.

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    " East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there’s a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants."

    Also Google.
    , @Twinkie
    Do you know what “between” means?
    , @Twinkie

    most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District)
     
    The Hill District! Can’t believe I forgot that.
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  147. guest says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment.
     
    Dude, that ship sailed a long time ago. Every victim gets to choose who victimizes zer and how. GW Bush puts his hand on some babe's butt and it's just like Weinstein asking Ashley Judd for a blow job. It started with "every woman must be believed", and now all the other whiners have picked it up.

    Though it is nice to see the photo evidence they've got of that rumpswab Al Franken.

    But H.W. was only recently called to count, and I doubt anything serious will come of it.

    We’ve not yet reached Feminist Dystopia, when supposed victims get to declare truth unilaterally. Sometimes they’re still doubted. The Duke Lacrosse and Haven Monahan cases are yet possible to resolve.

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  149. @Colleen Pater
    One of the problems of the internet for the left is they cant target their messages the way they used to so anti white memes meant for more fully brainwashed cucks in the cities are getting through the interweb and shocking the rubes.And the rubes are starting to see the 100 million browns show up in even their small towns and so falling back during recessions to yard work and handyman's stuff to get by is no longer possible, Taking solace in small town life is also a casualty of the brown invasion. Decent union jobs go to browns under affirmative action since the 70s lawsuits, and if youre a lucky token white the environment in those jobs since divershitty is unbearable And really how many times can you expect them to get excited over the latest sales job of the polititians, its been clear for decades theres only one party.trump was a hail mary, the question is will they credit him with trying will he try or will the rubes up the ante and find a real hitler.

    who are the rubes ?

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    bad whites of course
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  150. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Someone mentioned the "Republican project" in the comments on another run, I take that to be the project of the Republic, not the project of the Republican Party.

    With that in mind - I'd expand it: it's the Republican Labor Project - the project of the working class - where the working class is everyone who must work to live. That's important because part of the Hall of Mirrors Hypnosis Effect is that the top-two 25% quartiles of whites tend to be populated by people who incorrectly believe they are capitalists because they believe in capitalism. You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.

    Otherwise: you are labor. But I digress.

    With respect to my earlier post on US Census Table 696, the Republican Labor Project has its work cut out for it - but 40% of the work is articulating the work - and oddly: no one has done that. So I'll do it right now.

    The work is this: somewhere out there are millions of ambitious African Americans who want to get ahead in this life and don't want to be Crab-bucketed down with their number. For all the (b-ll-sh-t) kvetching on this site by the comments section about IQ, the bulk of this number are in an IQ zone where if they applied themselves, they can get ahead ... the exact same way white people, in the same IQ zone, apply themselves, and get ahead.

    But these ambitious fellows are presented with a Faustian choice that the ordinary ambitious working class white fellow is not: they can tokenize themselves for the 5%, which means mounting a SJW / victim-mongering persona that acts as a shield for the 5% against the legitimate grievances of the bottom quartile, ... or they can join forces with whites the bottom quartile, form a majority, and change everything.

    The latter strategy is better in the long-run, for everyone - even the 5%, because it means we don't have to fragment the country. But it's only better for the ambitious AA in question if AAs join in mass to do so.

    So - what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?
    What's going on with working class whites to let AAs know there is a path for joining forces?

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the "race war" agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner. Keep that in mind when listening to objections.

    the working class is everyone who must work to live.

    Few understand this.

    You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.

    I’d go even further, only if your kids don’t have to work either.

    You’re labor unless your kids don’t have to work

    So – what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?

    At this point? Nothing.

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the “race war” agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner.

    Don’t forget c) the experience of all of human history.

    Look it’s an ok idea but don’t invest too much in it cause it ain’t gonna happen.

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  151. newrouter says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh,that area has never been "no go". U. of Pittsburgh pretty much owns Oakland and you seldom see blacks on campus, unless they're athletes.

    Squirrel Hill has been home to Pgh's Jewish enclave and for the most part there's still a significant number of Jewish residents there. For the longest time, Squirrel Hill was vastly white. Can't imagine why.
    Shadyside was always a higher end SWPL Yuppie urbaneque whitopia. Really aren't many blacks at all in Shadyside. Oakland has been slowly been gobbled up by PIT's main campus as well as UPMC, which tends to push residents out even more.

    Basically, most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District), North Side, (the upper parts that haven't been gentrified), and the East End area, although the western part of the East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there's a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.

    ” East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there’s a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.”

    Also Google.

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  152. @Joe Schmoe

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html
     
    We've been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn't immigration have saved the economy by now?

    .

    Or is this "economy" really more of a pyramid scheme based on consumerism?

    Bingo! Joe Schmoe for the win.

    Neo-liberalism is the prescription at all times and in all places for these “economists”. Of course, neo-liberalism is not a cure, but rather a hungry parasite whose welfare takes precedence over the health of society and the citizens. Remember, Maggie Thatcher told us that there was no such thing as society, after all. The only people served by that point of view are the rootless cosmopolitans, whether jewish or gentile, who comprise the trans-national economic elite.

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  153. @Pat Boyle
    I see this morning that Al Franken is the latest celebrity male to be accused of harassing some woman sometime. I hate all this because my views put me so outside the mainstream of contemporary politics but more importantly the mainstream of the community of iSteve readers.

    I suspect that all this moralizing and tut-tuting about men harassing women will read like Victorian posturing's in just a few years. Women want to be harassed. Indeed they are designed by nature to be harassed. My experience is that women demand to be harassed. Feminism will surely turn on its heel and come to be outraged that men are no longer harassing them as is their right.

    Why are women happy and when are women most happy. Probably on their honeymoon and the first few months of marriage. This is when women get the most sex. Normal heterosexual women want to have sexual relations with a man every couple days. Most women for most of their adult lives probably are partially starved for sex.

    How do women get what little sex they can manage? Unfortunately for them they are largely at the mercy of the energies of the men around them. They are also tightly bound by a network of prohibitions and customs that keep them from exercising the initiative. They must wait often for some man to make an approach. Not all men find it comfortable to do this. There is some risk of rejection and humiliation. Others are clumsy.

    I never cheated on either of my wives but in those periods when I was single I worked diligently at accosting females. There was a time when I dated over a hundred different women strangers in a single year. This has become easy with the rise of the Internet. I was never accused of harassing any of them but I was often rejected - sometimes loudly and in public. So what? Girls dress up so as to be become the object of men's lust. Then they feign indifference. That's just how the game is set up. Since women are generally small, weak and unarmed, all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.

    In those periods when I was most active I thought of myself as providing a public service. Women like to be vigorously pursued. If they are ignored they pout.

    Some women are now thinking of the current jihad against grab-ass as some kind of moral crusade. They haven't counted the costs. If as seems likely, men become more reluctant to flirt or even just make naughty comments to women, the sum total of human happiness will be diminished. Men will hesitate and women will go home and cry in their empty bed.

    Ah Pat Boyle, me lad. You echo my thoughts in so many ways.

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  154. @Maj. Kong
    There is no such thing as a "double standard"

    There is only "who, whom"

    There is no more stigma in being a hypocrite it would seem as well for many people. Hypocrisy is worn as a badge of honour.

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  155. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @George
    Unquestioned is why Blacks and Hispanics did not support Hillary with the same enthusiasm they supported Obama.

    There are even white people like me, who voted for Obama twice, and who would have voted for Sanders had he been permitted to become the D candidate, but ended up voting for Trump. It’s not because we love & respect Trump. It’s because Hillary was the most evil person to run for president–possibly ever. There’s not a single good or honest or decent thing about her, yet we’re told that voters such as myself are wrong (or don’t even exist) because we didn’t facilitate her coronation.

    Trump, by comparison, is a bit of a buffoon and a clown, and regularly embarrasses all of us. I can live with that. I can’t live with someone who would put all of her forces to work to intensify and accelerate the destruction of my country. This, of course, means I’m sexist and racist too. I guess I’ll have to live with that as well.

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  156. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @27 year old

    In the years ahead Trump could make it clearer that what he is trying to do is not about race.
     
    I think Trump would do better if he explicitly made it about race.

    Fortunately, wiser minds are in control, for now anyway.

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  157. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buck
    "the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs "

    Yes, yes Mr. Edsall, whites tend to behave better than multicultural urban residents. Thanks for agreeing with Trump that "Mexico isn't sending their best". The same could be said of every other country dumping their huddled masses in our previously white nation. Of course, non diverse societies tend to behave better because they are self policing with high levels of in-group trust. If only we could implement a system which would stop the further diversification of nations. Really the only way to save the diversity of cultures is to allow nations to be homogeneously ethnic.

    Sorry Steve, but California must secede for the good of the nation, insulating the rest of us from urban crime, immigration and gangs.

    “the nation’s whitest municipalities and counties — the communities arguably most insulated from urban crime, immigration and gangs ”

    Yep, you nailed it here. The implications of this remark are something the NYT editors either 1) didn’t think through completely or 2) didn’t think most readers would pick up on. I think it’s #2 because most NYT readers are programmed to conceive of low white criminality as a form of ‘privilege’ rather than a matter of responsible behaviour.

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  158. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Goo, I want hugs and cookies.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/11/08/cyberbullings-chilling-trenda-growing-number-teens-anonymously-bullying-themselves-online-study-find/831070001/

    This can be the start of a whole new literary genre… that mixes mystery, sci-fi, romance, horror, and fantasy.

    The hate fantasy. Imagine yourself as a victim — always of straight whites males — and invent a story of how you’re hounded and terrified by Evil Whitey.

    It can even be a class project. Every child, regardless of race or color, must imagine himself or herself to be a multi-racial homo kid who came to be victimized by Evil Whites.

    Damn. Rolling Stone could have gotten away with the UVA story if they’d just changed it from journalism to social justice fiction.

    It’s like in LAST DAYS OF DISCO. The author of Tibetan Buddhism turned out to be a fraud so they just re-categorized as a self-help book.

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  159. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    You completely misunderstand what's going on, I think, by speaking in terms of women desiring to be aggressively pursued period. They want to be pursued not just by men but by the right men. Ones they find desirable. They don't want to be successfully pursued by men like Al Franken or Harvey Weinstein. That's humiliating.

    Just because they like submitting to pursuit doesn't mean women want to be harassed. What constitutes harassment depends upon consent, which in turn depends upon the status of the male doing it. When women willingly give in to sexual pressure, even with feigned resistance, it's not harassment. When Al Franken does it, it's harassment.

    The danger of hysterical times like these is that we might end up granting women arbitrary power to determine what is and is not harassment. Which is inevitable to some degree if we're going to regulate harassing behavior. Because consent is a tricky thing and locked inside their woman-brains. But we should at least have some objective standards, and some basic way to check their honesty. We shouldn't just believe them off-handedly, because they will lie.

    For instance, there's morning after revenge, whereby they withdraw consent retroactively. That probably happened with Weinstein, because we know many of them must have agreed at the time as quid-pro-quo. But it's also clear that he's not the type of man who gets women to fall for him because he's aggressive. His aggression is the kind they hate.

    Scientists have found that the pleasure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their partner’s bank balance.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/study-rich-men-give-women-more-orgasms

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  160. Twinkie says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh,that area has never been "no go". U. of Pittsburgh pretty much owns Oakland and you seldom see blacks on campus, unless they're athletes.

    Squirrel Hill has been home to Pgh's Jewish enclave and for the most part there's still a significant number of Jewish residents there. For the longest time, Squirrel Hill was vastly white. Can't imagine why.
    Shadyside was always a higher end SWPL Yuppie urbaneque whitopia. Really aren't many blacks at all in Shadyside. Oakland has been slowly been gobbled up by PIT's main campus as well as UPMC, which tends to push residents out even more.

    Basically, most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District), North Side, (the upper parts that haven't been gentrified), and the East End area, although the western part of the East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there's a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.

    Do you know what “between” means?

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    Dude.

    Uh, no one really lives "downtown", 'cept for some high end apartment lofts in Strip District area. Downtown is basically office buildings. Unless, what? Duquesne U? Or Magee Women's Hospital. I suppose those being born are "temporary residents" of Magee.

    Come on. Get ahta tahn.

    Those in the know understand that there's little actual "between" downtown area and Oakland.

    And I already mentioned the Hill District. You wanna live there? Go right ahead.

    The opposite direction from downtown takes one into the Point, and then directly into the three rivers. Wouldn't recommend one to try and live on one of the rivers, though in theory suppose it could be done.

    And the Steelers won tonight. What can Brown do for you?
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  161. @res
    At least there was one thoughtful comment from a Democrat:

    Tom J Berwyn, IL 2 hours ago
    They went for Obama in 2012, yet we insist on calling all of them racists now. I think Trump was their Bernie. Bernie supporters (I was one) are disenfranchised liberals, sick of the influence of Wall St. and big money. I think the way to reach both Trump supporters and Bernie supporters is to offer a likeable candidate who focuses on job creation for middle and lower income voters. The focus should be on things that give people a chance to lift themselves. If we don't offer that, we lose again.

    Reply 63Recommend
     
    Of course there is no chance the party will listen to a voice of reason like that.

    It is interesting that at the moment the only 2 NYT Picks have 0 and 1 recommends. At least they are not reflexively picking the oh so popular Trump-hate comments now.

    Of course there is no chance the party will listen to a voice of reason like that.

    It’s not the voice of reason, it’s the voice of political suicide. This is the mirror of the the Left telling the Republicans they needed to pass amnesty to get back to electoral health.

    The truth is that the Dems have a pretty good thing going: non whites are going to bloc vote for them no matter what along with gentry white liberals. The swing demo that the Dems need to worry about are suburban, socially liberal whites with children. These whites are all in on the open borders, BLM, tranny bathroom stuff but they are absolutely not in anti wallstreet, anti establishment or high tax stuff. If the Dems alienate these establishment friendly suburban whites, they are truly finished as a national party. They would get about 35% of the vote.

    Being the party of anti white racism may ultimately doom the Democrats anyway, but it at least gives them a chance going forward, which is a lot more then they would get if they cast their lot in with Bernie and his acolytes.

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  162. Peterike says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating
     
    I'm not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance. Same goes for the rest of my family and other Asians I know of, including Hapas. Merit scholarships is all we had. And yes, we used them but its not like it wasn't available to anyone else.

    But as you obviously have an agenda to live up to, I wouldn't want reality to make you think anything different.

    “I’m not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance.”

    Well poor you.

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  163. @Daniel Chieh

    Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating
     
    I'm not sure what gibsmedat were available when I went to college and found that all of the minority scholarships specifically excluded Asian men and that due to family income, I was not eligible for financial assistance. Same goes for the rest of my family and other Asians I know of, including Hapas. Merit scholarships is all we had. And yes, we used them but its not like it wasn't available to anyone else.

    But as you obviously have an agenda to live up to, I wouldn't want reality to make you think anything different.

    Mr. Chieh, it sounds like you and your people are on the up-and-up, but I happen to have some personally-obtained knowledge that jives with what Mr. Peterike wrote. It’s not about the legal immigrants and their children, as you state well.

    Most of the Chinese restaurants that are all over this country employ illegal Chinese immigrants to bus tables and be waitresses. This adds up to millions of people, and I also learned about how they are “handled” in a pretty organized fashion to send them all over for the work. Let me tell you, whether it’s illegal alien supply lines or gung-bao chicken supply lines, the Chinese will be way more organized and efficient than the Mexicans.

    That was an aside, really, but the point is that the owners of these restaurants do a lot of cash accounting, meaning lots of tax evasion. I personally kind of support anyone who cheats the Feral Gov’t out of anything, but, it turns out, though making and saving lots of money, these owners and families still apply for any kind of government benefit they can get based on their meager “on-paper” income.

    I don’t support any welfare state, but this contrast is really something: lots of blacks and some poor whites get this money off the taxpayers too, but they do when they really need it. I didn’t say they deserve it, necessarily, but they need it due to their terrible handling of money and the poor economy. In the meantime, the Chinese illegals and employers thereof save lots of money, something they are very good at, while still milking money from the taxpayers to get that much richer.

    Hey, I don’t have the numbers. These people don’t put it all out there on-line.

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    Chinese restaurants and Pizza places have long been a sweet spot for tax evasion: an action I encourage.
    Like you, I'm pissed about the welfare fraud.

    BTW: you can tell if you Pizza place is doing it if you get different boxes: The IRS uses box purchase counts as a proxy for expected revenue so most have the on the books purchases and the under the table cash purchases elsewhere.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Well, at the end of the day, I can only speak for myself and who I know.
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  165. @Twinkie
    Do you know what “between” means?

    Dude.

    Uh, no one really lives “downtown”, ‘cept for some high end apartment lofts in Strip District area. Downtown is basically office buildings. Unless, what? Duquesne U? Or Magee Women’s Hospital. I suppose those being born are “temporary residents” of Magee.

    Come on. Get ahta tahn.

    Those in the know understand that there’s little actual “between” downtown area and Oakland.

    And I already mentioned the Hill District. You wanna live there? Go right ahead.

    The opposite direction from downtown takes one into the Point, and then directly into the three rivers. Wouldn’t recommend one to try and live on one of the rivers, though in theory suppose it could be done.

    And the Steelers won tonight. What can Brown do for you?

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    It’s been twenty years plus or so, but I did a stint in Pittsburgh. My memory is fuzzy, but there were two main ways to drive from Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside to downtown and back. One was a kinda weird back way, sort of a highway directly to downtown (I do remember that the entrance was extremely short - I had to accelerate fast). The other was a more obvious local road that took one through what seemed to be predominantly black neighborhood. I used to volunteer at the Big Brother/Big Sister in that neighborhood. Parts of that area were like a war zone. There were nightly gun fights, and drug-dealing was everywhere.

    By the way, do drivers in Pittsburgh still do the quick left turn as soon as the light turns green?
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  166. @njguy73

    “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
    -Lee Kuan Yew
     
    That just might be the most insightful political quote of the 20th Century.

    And on Lee Kuan Yew's Wikiquote page, it is nowhere to be found.

    The source is a Der Spiegel article, an interview with Lee Kwan Yew. The article is in English.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-singapore-s-lee-kuan-yew-it-s-stupid-to-be-afraid-a-369128.html

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  167. Eagle Eye says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Mr. Trump was Mrs. Clinton’s choice as her opponent. She got her wish and the USA is so much better off for her facing who she wished.
     
    One of my pet theories is that the DNC Server political scandal is that the Clinton campaign within the dead shell of the DNC worked actively to promote Trump in the GOP primary. It's difficult to see how this would be illegal, but it sure would be a problem for the Democrat establishment going forward if it was learned that they wanted Trump and helped make him President.

    It’s difficult to see how [Hillary promoting Trump as GOP candidate] would be illegal, …

    This is Hillary we are talking about, so the strategic planning starts and ends with illegal options by default. Most likely, Team Hillary resorted to its favorite technique – targeted assassination of little people who got in the way of Hillary’s coronation as Ruler by the Grace of Hillary of All Americas and the Rest of the Universe.

    Once decided, any strategy would have been implemented without further consideration of trifles like the law on the firm assumption that President Hillary and her stooges at DOJ and FBI would be able to smooth over any embarrassing interludes.

    So far, Hillary has been able to stay half a step ahead of the hamstrung justice system while Donna Brazile nervously checks her CCTV system every 3 minutes.

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  168. Rod1963 says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Someone mentioned the "Republican project" in the comments on another run, I take that to be the project of the Republic, not the project of the Republican Party.

    With that in mind - I'd expand it: it's the Republican Labor Project - the project of the working class - where the working class is everyone who must work to live. That's important because part of the Hall of Mirrors Hypnosis Effect is that the top-two 25% quartiles of whites tend to be populated by people who incorrectly believe they are capitalists because they believe in capitalism. You are a capitalist, if, and only if, you could leave your work today and maintain your lifestyle indefinitely without working.

    Otherwise: you are labor. But I digress.

    With respect to my earlier post on US Census Table 696, the Republican Labor Project has its work cut out for it - but 40% of the work is articulating the work - and oddly: no one has done that. So I'll do it right now.

    The work is this: somewhere out there are millions of ambitious African Americans who want to get ahead in this life and don't want to be Crab-bucketed down with their number. For all the (b-ll-sh-t) kvetching on this site by the comments section about IQ, the bulk of this number are in an IQ zone where if they applied themselves, they can get ahead ... the exact same way white people, in the same IQ zone, apply themselves, and get ahead.

    But these ambitious fellows are presented with a Faustian choice that the ordinary ambitious working class white fellow is not: they can tokenize themselves for the 5%, which means mounting a SJW / victim-mongering persona that acts as a shield for the 5% against the legitimate grievances of the bottom quartile, ... or they can join forces with whites the bottom quartile, form a majority, and change everything.

    The latter strategy is better in the long-run, for everyone - even the 5%, because it means we don't have to fragment the country. But it's only better for the ambitious AA in question if AAs join in mass to do so.

    So - what would motivate AAs to join forces with working class whites?
    What's going on with working class whites to let AAs know there is a path for joining forces?

    Opposing this proposition are two corners: a) the "race war" agitator corner and b) the 5% status quo corner. Keep that in mind when listening to objections.

    Makes sense and explains why the billionaire class is supporting SJW movement so heavily via the Democratic party. They want the lower classes to be at each others throats while they loot the country blind.

    Here’s the thing, we have Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, the Google founders and others who are immensely wealthy funding all this racial divisiveness and hot button social issues. Up until now it didn’t make sense why they would support this insanity. But it makes sense politically in that peoples attention are turned away from the massive economic screwing they are getting across the board from the billionaire class via the political system that has rigged things against them.

    A lot of it started after Trump’s campaign started bringing up certain issues to the public’s attention. Things that were previously not talked about in public by politicians.

    By all rights the SJW ought be ready to hang every f**king college administrator along with their professors for saddling them with six figure debts for life and kill every Wall Street executive that off-shored their future instead of hating some white working stiff.

    The alt-right is equally guilty in obsessing over HBD, stupid racial pedigrees and the J issue without looking at the drivers behind whites being marginalized to the point of demographic obliteration. That being the ultra wealthy who are dictating these policies. Who promoted off-shoring and it’s attendant social poisons that have ruined the rust belt and small town America; who promoted the massive importation of foreign workers to replace Americans(primarily whites) ; who demands that we keep the borders wide open in order to depress wages and increase competition for what few jobs are available?

    At the very minimum we on the alt-right can make common cause with the Bernie Bros on economic issues. Up until Bernie ran for president he championed many of the same thing Trump promoted and more.

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  169. Nico says:
    @Anonymous

    all a man risks by being sexually aggressive is a few unkind words.
     
    he risks a charge of attempted rape and a life-long sexual offender rap.

    Just stay away from Western women. They're all crazy. Get yourself a nice Eastern European or Asian girl instead.

    Get yourself a nice Eastern European or Asian girl instead.

    Eastern European, why not? But Asian, no. I’d rather not take the risk of producing half-breed offspring who end up joining and exploiting the intersectualist whiny victim racket. If I’m going to have sons and daughters, they’re going to be productive men and women.

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  170. @Anonymous

    ... to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.
     
    Weaponized diversity. It seems to be happening where I live, but everyone seems to be afraid to talk about it except in the most oblique manner.

    Kind of a sick twist on that “Nobody was left to speak when they came for me,” eh?

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  171. Twinkie says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Dude.

    Uh, no one really lives "downtown", 'cept for some high end apartment lofts in Strip District area. Downtown is basically office buildings. Unless, what? Duquesne U? Or Magee Women's Hospital. I suppose those being born are "temporary residents" of Magee.

    Come on. Get ahta tahn.

    Those in the know understand that there's little actual "between" downtown area and Oakland.

    And I already mentioned the Hill District. You wanna live there? Go right ahead.

    The opposite direction from downtown takes one into the Point, and then directly into the three rivers. Wouldn't recommend one to try and live on one of the rivers, though in theory suppose it could be done.

    And the Steelers won tonight. What can Brown do for you?

    It’s been twenty years plus or so, but I did a stint in Pittsburgh. My memory is fuzzy, but there were two main ways to drive from Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside to downtown and back. One was a kinda weird back way, sort of a highway directly to downtown (I do remember that the entrance was extremely short – I had to accelerate fast). The other was a more obvious local road that took one through what seemed to be predominantly black neighborhood. I used to volunteer at the Big Brother/Big Sister in that neighborhood. Parts of that area were like a war zone. There were nightly gun fights, and drug-dealing was everywhere.

    By the way, do drivers in Pittsburgh still do the quick left turn as soon as the light turns green?

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    Every city drives like that. I mean, as far as cities go, that one is still standing, all things considered. Amazing that Soros's Eye hasn't turned its gaze upon it yet. Although NYT going after little ol' Dravosburg just smacks of bullying beyond comprehension. NYT wouldn't dare go after say, Compton, or a well known majority black area (e.g. Detroit). Would it now?

    From Dravosburg to Poland, why is it that whenever the New York Times starts commenting on places outside Manhattan Island they reveal a massive ignorance? Whenever they write about places outside NY, they never sound like they know what they're talking about. Why? Yet they'd be the first to sneer, jeer, and huff if say, newspapers from Seattle, Portland, OR, Boise, ID or Denver, CO started writing columns about New York in an authoritarian manner.
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  172. Olorin says:
    @JackOH
    Dravosburg, PA. Population of 1,746 is half of what it was in 1950. Per capita income: $17,000 annually (not a misprint).

    I've passed through dozens of river towns in Western PA and along the Ohio River, and the predominantly White populations are hanging on there by the skin of their teeth. Yeah, rocking their White privilege.

    The Edsall article isn't worth wiping my arse.

    Serves ‘em right, Jack, given how

    the men and women of Dravosburg abandoned their Democratic loyalties

    I mean, if you’re not LOYAL, what are you?

    Traitors, that’s what!

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  173. @Twinkie
    It’s been twenty years plus or so, but I did a stint in Pittsburgh. My memory is fuzzy, but there were two main ways to drive from Oakland/Squirrel Hill/Shadyside to downtown and back. One was a kinda weird back way, sort of a highway directly to downtown (I do remember that the entrance was extremely short - I had to accelerate fast). The other was a more obvious local road that took one through what seemed to be predominantly black neighborhood. I used to volunteer at the Big Brother/Big Sister in that neighborhood. Parts of that area were like a war zone. There were nightly gun fights, and drug-dealing was everywhere.

    By the way, do drivers in Pittsburgh still do the quick left turn as soon as the light turns green?

    Every city drives like that. I mean, as far as cities go, that one is still standing, all things considered. Amazing that Soros’s Eye hasn’t turned its gaze upon it yet. Although NYT going after little ol’ Dravosburg just smacks of bullying beyond comprehension. NYT wouldn’t dare go after say, Compton, or a well known majority black area (e.g. Detroit). Would it now?

    From Dravosburg to Poland, why is it that whenever the New York Times starts commenting on places outside Manhattan Island they reveal a massive ignorance? Whenever they write about places outside NY, they never sound like they know what they’re talking about. Why? Yet they’d be the first to sneer, jeer, and huff if say, newspapers from Seattle, Portland, OR, Boise, ID or Denver, CO started writing columns about New York in an authoritarian manner.

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    Every city drives like that.
     
    No, it doesn’t.
    , @ben tillman

    Every city drives like that.
     
    I've only ever seen that in Providence.
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  174. @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Chieh, it sounds like you and your people are on the up-and-up, but I happen to have some personally-obtained knowledge that jives with what Mr. Peterike wrote. It's not about the legal immigrants and their children, as you state well.

    Most of the Chinese restaurants that are all over this country employ illegal Chinese immigrants to bus tables and be waitresses. This adds up to millions of people, and I also learned about how they are "handled" in a pretty organized fashion to send them all over for the work. Let me tell you, whether it's illegal alien supply lines or gung-bao chicken supply lines, the Chinese will be way more organized and efficient than the Mexicans.

    That was an aside, really, but the point is that the owners of these restaurants do a lot of cash accounting, meaning lots of tax evasion. I personally kind of support anyone who cheats the Feral Gov't out of anything, but, it turns out, though making and saving lots of money, these owners and families still apply for any kind of government benefit they can get based on their meager "on-paper" income.

    I don't support any welfare state, but this contrast is really something: lots of blacks and some poor whites get this money off the taxpayers too, but they do when they really need it. I didn't say they deserve it, necessarily, but they need it due to their terrible handling of money and the poor economy. In the meantime, the Chinese illegals and employers thereof save lots of money, something they are very good at, while still milking money from the taxpayers to get that much richer.

    Hey, I don't have the numbers. These people don't put it all out there on-line.

    Chinese restaurants and Pizza places have long been a sweet spot for tax evasion: an action I encourage.
    Like you, I’m pissed about the welfare fraud.

    BTW: you can tell if you Pizza place is doing it if you get different boxes: The IRS uses box purchase counts as a proxy for expected revenue so most have the on the books purchases and the under the table cash purchases elsewhere.

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  175. Twinkie says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Every city drives like that. I mean, as far as cities go, that one is still standing, all things considered. Amazing that Soros's Eye hasn't turned its gaze upon it yet. Although NYT going after little ol' Dravosburg just smacks of bullying beyond comprehension. NYT wouldn't dare go after say, Compton, or a well known majority black area (e.g. Detroit). Would it now?

    From Dravosburg to Poland, why is it that whenever the New York Times starts commenting on places outside Manhattan Island they reveal a massive ignorance? Whenever they write about places outside NY, they never sound like they know what they're talking about. Why? Yet they'd be the first to sneer, jeer, and huff if say, newspapers from Seattle, Portland, OR, Boise, ID or Denver, CO started writing columns about New York in an authoritarian manner.

    Every city drives like that.

    No, it doesn’t.

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    Whatever.
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  176. @peterike

    You are probably wrong about the Chinese.

     

    No I'm not. They are way more woke now, you see. Ok, maybe they don't go on dah welfare out of some kind of work pride, but lemme tell you, EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight. Their children are making free use of every gibsmedat they can get their hands on, much of it made accessible by their massive tax cheating. So the kids are getting free lunches in school, even if daddy is loaded. And many of them are happily getting Snap cards as well.

    A quick check. 2.4% of SNAP users are "Asian." And there are 45.4 million recipients (as of 2016). That gives you over a million Asian SNAP users. Officially.

    EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight.

    Not sure if the Chinese have special dispensation, but Social Security is typically available only to 62-year-olds (and older) with 40 quarters of work history.

    Your retirement benefits

    How do you qualify for retirement benefits?

    When you work and pay Social Security taxes, you earn “credits” toward Social Security benefits. The number of credits you need to get retirement benefits depends on when you were born. If you were born in 1929 or later, you need 40 credits (10 years of work).

    If you stop working before you have enough credits to qualify for benefits, the credits will remain on your Social Security record. If you return to work later, you can add more credits to qualify. We can’t pay any retirement benefits until you have the required number of credits.

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    I am opposed to further mass immigration, and am particularly opposed to that of low assimilation groups (Mexicans, Indians, Chinese, etc.), but people really ought use accurate arguments, and not myths like “Chinese grannies receiving Social Security benefits fresh off Boeing 747’s.”

    When American citizens sponsor their foreign parents for permanent residency, they enter into a contract with USG to be financially responsible, and they are means-tested. If not, they have to get co-sponsors who are on the hook permanently (e.g. divorced spouses). As with anything, there can be and are abuses, but these myths are way off the mark.

    And Asians, in general, have the lowest welfare usage rates while having the highest median income, which makes them, on a per capita basis, the biggest net contributors to the entitlement system overall... even with the cash business tax abuses.
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  177. @The Alarmist
    Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    Weapons of mass diversity!

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  178. @Twinkie

    Every city drives like that.
     
    No, it doesn’t.

    Whatever.

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  179. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    EVERY Chinese granny and grandpa is collecting Social Security ten minutes after they get off the Air China flight.
     
    Not sure if the Chinese have special dispensation, but Social Security is typically available only to 62-year-olds (and older) with 40 quarters of work history.

    Your retirement benefits

    How do you qualify for retirement benefits?

    When you work and pay Social Security taxes, you earn “credits” toward Social Security benefits. The number of credits you need to get retirement benefits depends on when you were born. If you were born in 1929 or later, you need 40 credits (10 years of work).

    If you stop working before you have enough credits to qualify for benefits, the credits will remain on your Social Security record. If you return to work later, you can add more credits to qualify. We can’t pay any retirement benefits until you have the required number of credits.
     

    I am opposed to further mass immigration, and am particularly opposed to that of low assimilation groups (Mexicans, Indians, Chinese, etc.), but people really ought use accurate arguments, and not myths like “Chinese grannies receiving Social Security benefits fresh off Boeing 747’s.”

    When American citizens sponsor their foreign parents for permanent residency, they enter into a contract with USG to be financially responsible, and they are means-tested. If not, they have to get co-sponsors who are on the hook permanently (e.g. divorced spouses). As with anything, there can be and are abuses, but these myths are way off the mark.

    And Asians, in general, have the lowest welfare usage rates while having the highest median income, which makes them, on a per capita basis, the biggest net contributors to the entitlement system overall… even with the cash business tax abuses.

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  180. Twinkie says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh,that area has never been "no go". U. of Pittsburgh pretty much owns Oakland and you seldom see blacks on campus, unless they're athletes.

    Squirrel Hill has been home to Pgh's Jewish enclave and for the most part there's still a significant number of Jewish residents there. For the longest time, Squirrel Hill was vastly white. Can't imagine why.
    Shadyside was always a higher end SWPL Yuppie urbaneque whitopia. Really aren't many blacks at all in Shadyside. Oakland has been slowly been gobbled up by PIT's main campus as well as UPMC, which tends to push residents out even more.

    Basically, most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District), North Side, (the upper parts that haven't been gentrified), and the East End area, although the western part of the East End is slowly being gentrified (East End Circle) after all, there's a Whole Foods there as well as some high end restaurants.

    most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District)

    The Hill District! Can’t believe I forgot that.

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    Obviously you haven't been back in decades (as you originally said), because no one forgets the Hill. Enter at your own risk.
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  181. @Twinkie

    most blacks live on the Hill (Hill District)
     
    The Hill District! Can’t believe I forgot that.

    Obviously you haven’t been back in decades (as you originally said), because no one forgets the Hill. Enter at your own risk.

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    I didn’t forget what it was like. I just forgot the name. I still remember how I drove there from Oakland... back when the O’s was still open. Ah, the fries cooked in lard.
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  182. MBlanc46 says:
    @guest
    Rocks, for instance, can't be objective, because they're just rocks. But geologists can be objective about rocks.

    The same can be done with women. We can frame more objective standards for situations involving them, whether or not they can be objective themselves.

    Catch is, it's always going to partly depend upon their perceptions. There's no modern way to get around that. Traditional societies did, to an extent, by constantly surrounding them with people who were responsible for them. That is, never leaving them alone with strange men.

    Here, feminists and traditionalists agree. Women aren't to be trusted alone in the cold, dark world.

    Well put.

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  183. @Joe Schmoe

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/federal-reserve-president-says-country-needs-more-immigration-to-save-economy.html
     
    We've been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn't immigration have saved the economy by now?

    .

    Or is this "economy" really more of a pyramid scheme based on consumerism?

    We’ve been importing immigrants by the millions for decades.

    Shouldn’t immigration have saved the economy by now?

    Brilliant!

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  184. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Every city drives like that. I mean, as far as cities go, that one is still standing, all things considered. Amazing that Soros's Eye hasn't turned its gaze upon it yet. Although NYT going after little ol' Dravosburg just smacks of bullying beyond comprehension. NYT wouldn't dare go after say, Compton, or a well known majority black area (e.g. Detroit). Would it now?

    From Dravosburg to Poland, why is it that whenever the New York Times starts commenting on places outside Manhattan Island they reveal a massive ignorance? Whenever they write about places outside NY, they never sound like they know what they're talking about. Why? Yet they'd be the first to sneer, jeer, and huff if say, newspapers from Seattle, Portland, OR, Boise, ID or Denver, CO started writing columns about New York in an authoritarian manner.

    Every city drives like that.

    I’ve only ever seen that in Providence.

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  185. @Krastos the Gluemaker
    Many other Republican primary candidates would also have beaten Hillary in the general; O'Malley probably would have beaten Trump. Admittedly Jeb! would have lost, but he wasn't the only candidate.

    The story of the election results has almost nothing to do with what Republicans did in the end, it was all about Hillary being a terrible candidate and losing tens of millions of potential voters the Democrats could otherwise have had.

    Trump is disfavored to win re-election, of course, he'd only win against a really weak 2020 Dem candidate. With people always throwing guesses out there early might as well repeat the wisdom: either Bernie or Biden would win if they run, simply running being the only question; otherwise I think Booker is the next most likely bet, he would beat Trump and what's only unclear is the path to the nomination.

    Trump is disfavored to win re-election, of course, he’d only win against a really weak 2020 Dem candidate. With people always throwing guesses out there early might as well repeat the wisdom: either Bernie or Biden would win if they run, simply running being the only question; otherwise I think Booker is the next most likely bet, he would beat Trump and what’s only unclear is the path to the nomination.

    I don’t see how any of them would have a shot against Trump.

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  186. Twinkie says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Obviously you haven't been back in decades (as you originally said), because no one forgets the Hill. Enter at your own risk.

    I didn’t forget what it was like. I just forgot the name. I still remember how I drove there from Oakland… back when the O’s was still open. Ah, the fries cooked in lard.

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  187. @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Chieh, it sounds like you and your people are on the up-and-up, but I happen to have some personally-obtained knowledge that jives with what Mr. Peterike wrote. It's not about the legal immigrants and their children, as you state well.

    Most of the Chinese restaurants that are all over this country employ illegal Chinese immigrants to bus tables and be waitresses. This adds up to millions of people, and I also learned about how they are "handled" in a pretty organized fashion to send them all over for the work. Let me tell you, whether it's illegal alien supply lines or gung-bao chicken supply lines, the Chinese will be way more organized and efficient than the Mexicans.

    That was an aside, really, but the point is that the owners of these restaurants do a lot of cash accounting, meaning lots of tax evasion. I personally kind of support anyone who cheats the Feral Gov't out of anything, but, it turns out, though making and saving lots of money, these owners and families still apply for any kind of government benefit they can get based on their meager "on-paper" income.

    I don't support any welfare state, but this contrast is really something: lots of blacks and some poor whites get this money off the taxpayers too, but they do when they really need it. I didn't say they deserve it, necessarily, but they need it due to their terrible handling of money and the poor economy. In the meantime, the Chinese illegals and employers thereof save lots of money, something they are very good at, while still milking money from the taxpayers to get that much richer.

    Hey, I don't have the numbers. These people don't put it all out there on-line.

    Well, at the end of the day, I can only speak for myself and who I know.

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    Well, at the end of the day, ...
     
    Yeah, well we're far from the end of the day, at least in Sailer's midnight-oil time zone. ;-}
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  188. @norse nestor
    who are the rubes ?

    bad whites of course

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  189. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, at the end of the day, I can only speak for myself and who I know.

    Well, at the end of the day, …

    Yeah, well we’re far from the end of the day, at least in Sailer’s midnight-oil time zone. ;-}

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  190. Kevin C. says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It is one of thousands ofwhite enclaves...
     
    We've got them on the run! Whitey reduced to living in enclaves!! And we're going to use the Colin Powell strategy. First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it...

    We’ve got them on the run!… First we are going to cut it off, and then we are going to kill it…

    You joke, but that’s pretty much the way it is. They’ve got us outnumbered, outgunned, and “on the run”. It’s over, they’ve already won, absolutely. It’s why the opioid epidemic; like drinking on Indian reservations, it’s the action of a defeated people who know they have no future. We have no future; the future belongs to Them. The only question is whether our inevable, total extinction comes faster or slower. And then we’re gone forever.

    All is lost. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.

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  191. Kevin C. says:
    @The Alarmist
    Laugh all you want, but HUD and its proxies at the state level have been given marching orders to get the poor folk out of the projects and the hood and distribute them across all these little monoculture communities. Diversity is a weapon.

    Diversity is a weapon.

    One of many weapons our Left elites have to wield against us. Weapons too many and too powerful for us to combat or resist. They have already won, we have already lost. Our eradication is inevitable, and there is literally nothing to be done about it. All hope is false. All is lost.

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  192. Kevin C. says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Edsall must have been getting some heat for reporting objectively on the abandonment of Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) by the Democrats. Whites who live in mostly White towns want to keep their towns free and clear of multicultural strife and racial animosity. Edsall wrote at least a half a dozen articles where he chronicles the abandonment of WWCDs by the ruling class of the Democrat Party.

    Hillary Clinton moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York so she could avoid living around non-Whites. It wouldn't do for Hillary Clinton and her pals to get bombed on wine in a town riven by multicultural turmoil. Hillary Clinton didn't grab all that loot from foreigners so she could live in Washington Heights with the Dominicans or Harlem with the Blacks.

    EXPLICIT WHITEY in politics is here. It will take a few election cycles to get rid of the Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham types, but the Republican Party is going full-bore Whitey. If the GOP doesn't begin direct appeals to the White voter base of the GOP, then the White voter base of the GOP will abandon the GOP.

    If the GOP doesn’t begin direct appeals to the White voter base of the GOP, then the White voter base of the GOP will abandon the GOP.

    Abandon the GOP in favor of what? Not voting, which lets the Dems win all over? One of the third parties (which cannot win, per Duverger’s law)? Which one?

    You speak as if there’s still something the “White voter base” can do. There isn’t. We can’t do anything. We’re doomed. All hope is false.

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  193. Kevin C. says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    If Mr. Edsall has his way this will be "...the last gasp of a a small fraction of the electorate...". He assumes he will get his way. We can and must stop him.

    We can and must stop him.

    No, we can’t. There’s nothing we can do. It’s hopeless.

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