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Commenter JollyOldSoul explains:

“America was built by immigrants. Almost 100% of ethnic Bangladeshis living in America are immigrants. Therefore Bangladeshis built America. QED.”

Commenter Ben Frank explains for me why I find so irritating Obama’s/Hillary’s go-to phrase: “That’s not who we are:”

“That’s not who we are” is a conversation-ender. Cheap shot. Empty statement. Contains no information. Primitive taboo-speak.

First, it presumes to speak for all 300 million of “we”, which is a lie. Second, it dodges the question of “who are we?” by simply asserting that we’re anything but people who enforce immigration laws. That’s also not true because our recent ancestors in 1925 were surely people who enforced immigration laws.

It’s 21st century prudery, like an elderly Victorian shutting down a conversation with “Why it’s simply not done!”

Commenter bgates explains:

It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.

Why is it important to be who we are? It must be that identity is important. And what is our identity, in this telling? We don’t really have one. We are a welcome mat for Bangladesh.

It’s infuriating how good Democrats are at insisting on contradictions. We must always be who we are, and that requires fundamental transformation. Change! Always change – but always the same change.

We have a Living Constitution but not a living Zeroth Amendment. Every syllable that Founding Father Emma Lazarus carved on the Statue of Liberty in 1776 is sacred and eternal.

 
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  1. The election of Trump should let Obama know that “who we are” is not who he thinks we are. That alone made me smile when I cast my vote.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    My theory, based mostly on reading at NYT’s site from Canada (we currently are afflicted with someone worse than Obama):

    The elite hope to bring in enough immigrants to give the Dems a permanent majority. Of course they’re not alone: idiot Trudeau is thinking along the same lines and so was Tony Blair.

    So that meant a huge number in a short time. This was to be shoe-horned into a single span of government. Because of the Americans system of multiple power centres in the House of Congress and the Senate, such a window is hard to achieve.

    It’s easier in Canada and the UK because if a party receives a majority in the House of Commons they can do just about anything for 5 years.

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier. It’s going way past mere liberal immigration laws as the crazies start showing themselves.

    I have no explanation for the “not who were are” phrase. I’ve havent heard it in Canada. Was it Bill Clinton who coined it?
    , @Olorin
    Come now, Harry. Don't you think you're being just a leetle bit arrogant?

    I mean, don't you realize that Obama knows "who we are" better than we do?
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  2. Paul Ryan and the GOP establishment use “that’s not who we are” as much as Obama and Hillary did. A search for “Paul Ryan that’s not who we are” produced 1.38 million results on Google. That’s over twice as many results as the search gets with Obama’s name. Although a lot of the results could be conservative websites ripping Ryan for using it.

    Here is Conservatism, Inc. superstar Ben Sasse using it in a his speech announcing his run for Senate in 2013:

    But whatever it is, it is not the “Innovation Capital” of the world, and the reason why is because government runs the economy and the culture.

    That’s not who WE are. That’s never been who we are. America has always meant something bigger and more exciting, America has always been about opportunity and progress.

    http://journalstar.com/ben-sasse-i-m-running-to-repeal-the-obamacare-worldview/article_0b15125a-1ed0-55b2-a1b1-50224ecea5f0.html

    To be fair, I think after Trump was elected, most of these geniuses finally figured out this was not a popular statement with the Republican base and stopped using it.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    “That’s not who we are” is just a quote lifted from a TV show, The Walking Dead. It has been a recurring statement on that show by characters since before Hillary started using it. These politicians don't have original thoughts and have little ability to reason.

    Of course, it's also true that memes pushed by MSM outlets show up in fictional TV shows as reinforcement, but, in the case of “That’s not who we are” It's pretty obvious that someone on Hillary's team gave her that line to use after watching the TV drama. I doubt that Hillary could have grabbed it from TV herself. She has never exhibited the kind of attention span needed to actually follow the plot of a simple TV show.
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  3. Is this Steve Sailer’s law of Steve Sailer?

    Journalism by Steve Sailer has the goal of creating a society where people who communicate like Steve Sailer are more influential than they are now.

    ie where empty emotional language is deprecated and conversations are based on data and clear trains of thought

    ie nerdy and masculine

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    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's the plan.
    , @Anon
    ie nerdy and masculine

    Nerdy and Sturdy, or Sterdy.
    , @MBlanc46
    Nerdy and masculine. Count me in!
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  4. Immigrant Supremacism

    = Immigrants are More American than those with multigenerational roots in America (i.e., White [and, don't talk too much about this, but also Black] losers). “America always and forever belongs to immigrants,” a civilizational pyramid scheme.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is as old as the Civil War. I'm always reminded of the story of the U.S. officer with heavy German accent lecturing a group of Confederate prisoners (whose grandparents founded the country) on what "America" really means.
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  5. @kihowi
    Is this Steve Sailer's law of Steve Sailer?

    Journalism by Steve Sailer has the goal of creating a society where people who communicate like Steve Sailer are more influential than they are now.

    ie where empty emotional language is deprecated and conversations are based on data and clear trains of thought

    ie nerdy and masculine

    That’s the plan.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    To borrow a phrase from Peppermint Patty, "Why Steve, you sly dog, you."
    , @Jim Christian
    That’s the plan.


     

    Steve, was wondering what you thought of Tiger's coming out? His back fused now, his swing looked good, too bad about the 75 on Day 3. You buy into a Tiger Comeback III? Fred Couples-worth or better? Fred played a lot of golf and made a lot of cuts since HIS surgeries.

    And now, being from Boston, it's on to Pittsburgh.

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  6. It’s 21st century prudery, like an elderly Victorian shutting down a conversation with “Why it’s simply not done!”

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.

    If you disagree, you are implicitly excommunicated from “who we are”.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.
     
    I agree. “That’s not who we are” in the current PC context sounds more like a threat from would-be Nurse Ratcheds. “Get in line or else.”

    Harry Baldwin points out at the top of the thread that Trump’s election called the bluff of the ratched wretches. And as 27 year old suggests, Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.
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  7. Pity the very few Polish Catholics left in Hamtramck, MI who must be looking around at all the burkas and saying, “that’s not who we are.” Apparently “who we are now” in Hamtramck means “little Yemen”.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html

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    Danke.

    https://twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/929454225188368384
    , @Anon
    I ate at a Polish restaurant in Hamtramck today. One of the last 3 or 4 remaining out of the dozens that used to operate there. There are at least as many Bengalis as there are Yemenis. Sad what happened to that city . Even sadder to realize it all could have been avoided if Polish people continued to have large families.
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  8. It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.

    Why is it important to be who we are? It must be that identity is important. And what is our identity, in this telling? We don’t really have one. We are a welcome mat for Bangladesh.

    It’s infuriating how good Democrats are at insisting on contradictions. We must always be who we are, and that requires fundamental transformation. Change! Always change – but always the same change.

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    • Agree: NickG, Anonym, Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity."

    Very true.

    I have two words that prove that White Privilege is something real among the people who "fight" White Privilege.:

    Tim Wise

    Do you think left-wing whites would pay money to get yelled at by, say, the BLM women who shut down Bernie Sanders' rally?

    When Tim Wise is criticizing "White People", they feel in their hearts he is making an exception for them. He means those guys in Mississippi, not New York or California.

    When the ladies of BLM yelled at the Sanders crowd, they were yelling at THEM.


    There are plenty of black writers who write more intelligently about race than Tim Wise, with much less fame. Granted, that is setting the bar very low. For example, read Adolph Reed, Jr. who points out that identity politics are just a way to divide working people and make it easier for elites to screw over everyone. I admit my bias, because the late Adolph Reed, Sr. was a close friend of my family, so I was very much influenced by Adolph, Sr.'s thinking.

    I am a left-winger, mix of white and Cherokee, and my kids are a mixture of three races. My kids just want to be normal Americans, not People of Color. At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would've been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn't want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.
    , @Corvinus
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship."

    Perhaps you would be smitten with Vox Day, who laments how “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    Basically, three-fourths of today's Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not "true Americans". You have to back? Not quite. You have but one bullet left in the chamber to counter Day's rhetorical firing--"that's not who we are".
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  9. John Michael Greer has a great essay on the subject:

    https://www.ecosophia.net/field-guide-thoughtstoppers/

    Well worth a read.

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    Here’s the definition he gave:

    “A thoughtstopper is exactly what the term suggests: a word, phrase, or short sentence that keeps people from thinking. A good thoughtstopper is brief, crisp, memorable, and packed with strong emotion. It’s also either absurd, self-contradictory, or irrelevant to the subject to which it’s meant to apply, so that any attempt you might make to reason about it will land you in perplexity. The perplexity won’t do the trick by itself, and neither will the strong emotion; it’s the combination of the two that lets a thoughtstopper throw a monkey wrench in the works of the user’s mind.”
    , @oddsbodkins
    This seems similar to what Daniel Dennett calls a "Deepity."
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  10. In the context of a discussion of ‘who we are’ occasional use of the That’s not who we are. trope may be used.

    The opprobrium stemming from The Hillary Beast’s use of the phrase is that it is uttered by the mistress of deplorableness herself, who speaks for the war machine, bloodletting and greed.

    The Hillary Beast is not who we are.

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  11. @Cortes
    John Michael Greer has a great essay on the subject:

    https://www.ecosophia.net/field-guide-thoughtstoppers/

    Well worth a read.

    Here’s the definition he gave:

    “A thoughtstopper is exactly what the term suggests: a word, phrase, or short sentence that keeps people from thinking. A good thoughtstopper is brief, crisp, memorable, and packed with strong emotion. It’s also either absurd, self-contradictory, or irrelevant to the subject to which it’s meant to apply, so that any attempt you might make to reason about it will land you in perplexity. The perplexity won’t do the trick by itself, and neither will the strong emotion; it’s the combination of the two that lets a thoughtstopper throw a monkey wrench in the works of the user’s mind.”

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  12. Maybe there’s a darker interpretation. With respect to immigration, “That’s not who we are!” really means “We should not be who we are currently!”. That is, who we are is the six point whatever billion people who have had the good luck of being born outside the United States and, thus, have a right to live here in the United States.

    Sing it so all can hear: “We are the world!!!”

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    • Replies: @JollyOldSoul
    Maybe there’s a darker interpretation. With respect to immigration, “That’s not who we are!” really means “We should not be who we are currently!”.

    Well of course. "Anglo-Saxon/European/Christian America - that's not who we are!"
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  13. Why is it that all the rude, stupid, ignorant people want to talk about facts and logic, and all the smart, sophisticated, articulate, elite people want to say only things like “That’s not who we are”?

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    • Replies: @dr kill
    This is a very good question.
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  14. https://www.amazon.com/We-Yevgeny-Zamyatin/dp/1543127800/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    The original version of 1984 (Orwell did it better though).

    The only good response to “that’s not who we are” is “who’s we, paleface?”

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  15. It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.

    One of the left’s dirty little secrets is that they depend upon White tribal identity.

    “Whites don’t have a tribal identity.”
    “We must be racially tolerant.”
    “Whites are to be held to high standards of tolerance, enforcing diversity, anti-racism, etc.”
    “Non-whites are to be held to lower standards, or no standards at all.”
    Etc.

    These are all White Tribal Values. I suspect that the major reason that Whites hold them (relatively) strongly is because they know they are White Tribal Values.

    Destructive, maladaptive, pathological White Tribal Values, of largely alien origin, instilled and enforced by mass media indoctrination from a hostile, alien elite, but White Tribal Values nonetheless.

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    • Agree: TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @syonredux
    Without Whites, what would hold the POC coalition together?Manicheism needs two sides in order to function.....
    , @TelfoedJohn
    White Tribal Identity - this is why they don’t march against Muslim rape gangs in the UK. Because they think Pakistanis are so far below them, that they simply can’t help it. Only the holy and pure white man can afford to have such morality.
    , @Frau Katze
    The elites are just asking for whites to become tribal themselves. They keep dreaming up new ways to humiliate whites. People won’t put up with that indefinitely.

    Especially if the cherished minority status for whites becomes a fact.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Many Northern European Whites are addicted to goodthinking. Most other peoples of the world have tolerance, but reasonable negative response to excessive goodthinking. A trait that was useful at a level of population density two or three orders of magnitude lower than today is destructive now. Yet Americans continue to believe that importing huge numbers of peoples who have great desire to take advantage of the high trust market created by the goodthinkers, but little understanding or interest in the moral foundation required to sustain the market, will all work out in the end. The information regarding likely outcomes is free and available, yet the destructive behavior persists. The expected payout to goodthinkers is strongly negative in the long run, and typically negligible in the short run, yet goodthinkers gain evermore enthusiasm to pursue their faith and signal their commitment to their own replacement. It is the behavior of peoples who have lost their meaning.
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  16. Who do you think you are?

    That should be the reply to those Obamas presuming to speak for everyone. While that may not stop such poseurs in their tracks it might slow them down long enough to think about a response.

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  17. I’ve been reading your work for well over a decade, and this post is easily the best. The signal-to-noise ratio is stratospheric: you’ve put your finger on something very important and explained it with glacial clarity and concise efficiency.

    Thank you!

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  18. A googling of “Who We Are” reveals overwhelmingly recent results, essentially all from the Clinton/Obama Left (and a few top results from Paul Ryan). The only other result not from the U.S. Left or Weakling-Right is a 2013 documentary about Syrian refugees in Lebanon.

    Here is an op-ed somebody wrote in Dec. 2014 on the phrase:

    “That’s not who we are” is an annoying phrase. It’s time to drop it for good.

    I was familiar with this expression, of course, but never read and heard it so frequently as in the past decade. It’s self-serving, pious and doesn’t require an offer of proof.

    To me, “Not Who Are Are” is a phrase of the 2010s, but here is the opinion column writer claiming he’d been hearing it often from the mid-2000s. His op-ed is the only google result from earlier than 2015 in the first many pages of results.

    I do find a few isolated uses of “who we are,” in close to its present-day political meaning, in obscure Congressional speeches from 2007:

    Congressman Paul Hodes speaking, October 10, 2007:

    We needs the people of this country to step up and speak to their representaties and say this veto must not stand. It’s not right for America. It’s not who we are. It’s not the moral thing. It’s not the right thing to do monetarily.

    A search of the Congressional Record for those 15 days in October 2007 reveals the phrase “who we are” came up six times, with only the one cited unambiguously approaching the present political connotation.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    OT, but Lebanon's exploding, not least thanks to the aforementioned refugees throwing the delicate post-Taif ethnic situation out of whack. Poor country suffered enough in the 70s and 80s... yet what is a miracle is that it took so long to happen. The confessional political system worked, but it utterly relied on keeping a strict balance of power between the sectarian groups. Yet another "achievement" in America's last 20 years of foreign policy in that part of the world.

    There's something so... Obama-esque about that saying. The emptiness disguised by an eloquent tone and adoring bien-pensants. The denial that there's any meaning whatsoever to the most basic features of a nation. Something so encapsulating about the official ideology of 2010s America.

    , @Father O'Hara
    While we're at it lets jettison "right--and wrong--side of history". (Note: Have you seen this execrable show "Scandal"? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,"You don't want to be on TWSOH,do you?")
    Also I've never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?
    , @bored identity
    bored identity will take an opportunity to nominate this bunch of Ravishing Hofstranauts as a legit grandiose-finalists in "Not Who We Are" category :

    https://youtu.be/KrKIWu0zrV8?t=30s
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  19. This usage of ‘we’ to mean ‘I’ is known in English English as the ‘Royal we’ as its use was the preserve and privilege of the reigning monarch.

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  20. Who we are? We are nice. F*uckihng Nice.

    Wars? What wars? The ones in the Middle East?

    That’s not who we are. Right?

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  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “That’s not who we are”

    People must say “YOU are not who WE are.”

    A surreal world. All the world wants to take flight from their non-white nations to white nations, but in white nations, they join in the symbolic ‘flight from white’.

    Even when non-whites choose to live in non-white communities, they prefer their own communities IN the white world. So, Chinese prefer Chinatown in the West than China itself. Hindus Indotowns in the West than India itself. Mexicans prefer Mex-town in the US than Mexico itself.
    Even race-mixers prefer to mix in the West. So, the Jungle-ites wanna mix with blacks in the West than in black nations.

    Non-whites want to move to white nations. But for non-whites to secure such privilege, whites must renounce their ‘white privilege’ and white identity(aka ‘white supremacism’) and have NO RIGHT to defend or preserve their race, territory, or heritage; such exists only to be colonized by non-whites. So, non-whites attack whiteness even as they gravitate toward it.

    So, TNWWA is about how whites must serve as beached whale for others to feast on.

    Whites must say “We are NOT what YOU are.” If these non-whites find so much problem with whiteness, stay in non-white nations or return to them.

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    Non-whites want to move to white nations.
     
    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.
    , @dr kill
    While we're at it, could we stop saying 'Let's do this' and 'It's to die for' ? Thank you.
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  22. Libs, lefties and Democrats have the megaphone. When you control the media megaphone you get to endlessly repeat your buzz words and buzz phrases in order to brainwash the sheeple x people to shift their thinking in your direction. Obama was very aware of this. Chuck Schumer was big on this but has slacked off since he has become minority leader. During the GW Bush presidency Chuck Schumer constantly harped on how X or Y that Republicans proposed was “divisive”.

    Democrat and liberal persuaders (lawyers, English majors) are good at with coming up with buzz words but they would be nowhere without the media amplifying their bllshyte. But is this persuasion or is this getting the sheeple x people to react like Pavlov’s dogs?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    It’s true the Left has the megaphone...now.

    But there is growing opposition. Take the “skeptic” community on YouTube, devoted to keep pointing how badly things are really going.

    However the Left also has control of the means of electronic communication. So outfits like Google and Twitter have signed on to try to stop it. Google owns YouTube and is getting more and more restrictive. Ditto Twitter.

    Before the internet only wealthy huge corporations could afford mass communication.

    They’re hoping to get back to those halcyon days.

    The Left has also made several strategic errors. One was GamerGate, where makers of video games brought in crazy leftists to advise them on what video game makers needed to do in the new diverse world.

    It was bitterly resented by the majority of players: young men. They got a front row seat on the Culture Wars. Here was a group of people who likely wouldn’t have known what was going on if not for that.

    My son confirms that is how he became aware. My daughter (who like most women wasn’t interested in video games) still has no understanding whatsoever.
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  23. If you collect all of the uses and examples of who “We” are, and who “We” aren’t, you will find that “We” always have been the people in favor of left wing shibboleths and the development of history leading to the current left wing social consensus of America and beyond.

    Somehow We were for the Revolution and the Constitution but We weren’t Washington or Jefferson – They owned slaves – maybe We were Franklin because he was a Europhile and a Libertine?

    We were JFK but We definitely weren’t Nixon, but We were against The Vietnam War somehow.

    Sometimes We had to be a bare majority of the Supreme Court – because We’re for Gay Marriage and We always have been. Sometimes when We were Hillary Clinton We forgot that for a time.

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  24. Granting to yourself the right to proclaim what it means to be an American on behalf of others is a very arrogant move. But only if WE allow the proclaimers to get away with it.

    I’m sure everyone knows the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves surround by hostile Indians and the L.R. turns to Tonto and says, “Looks like we are in a lot of trouble, Tonto!” and Tonto replies, “What do you mean WE, white man?”

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    • Replies: @denjae
    Or picture . . . Visiting advisor / Deplorable worker:

    "We need to . . . . . . . . "

    "What's this WE sh**? You got an elephant in yer pocket?"
    , @Hunsdon
    Hear him!
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  25. Here’s a variation on the that’s not who we are. I thought Glenn Beck sticking his face into a bowl of Cheetos to protest the Cheetos Hitler was the lowest he could go. But this nut case just went even lower. He is now saying that the Santa in the Rudolph the Reindeer Christmas show is now a xenophobic jerk. Santa is not who we are.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/12/12/heres-why-this-christmas-classic-is-abominable-by-todays-standards/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=latestfromglenn&utm_campaign=latestfromglenn

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    My favorite line from Rudolph is when Donner goes to look for Rudolph and Mrs. Donner wants to go along, he tells her, "no, this is man work." I'm surprised they haven't edited it out of the show.
    , @Hunsdon
    It's funny, but looking back, there was a time I had a modicum of respect for Beck.
    , @Sarah Toga
    Yep, when Beck and Ted Cruz went down to the Rio Grande Valley to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls to Obama's kidinvasion arrivals I finally saw who they (Beck and Cruz) are.
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  26. It’s funny that the largest food company in the world uses the same nonsensical cant while pledging their commitment to safety of the orangutans* :

    * Some extra rules & charges may apply, if you are from Queens.

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  27. I have a feeling that Charles Lindbergh in an unfortunate remark in 1941 may have started this whole line of rhetoric. Who remembers the House Un-American Activities Committee by the way? Pinko! That’s not who we are!

    It is a stretch to attribute historic memory to the modern Left, but I think they retain certain mid-20th Century trauma associations, as well as a fiendish capacity for imitation. What is political correctness if not McCarthyism for Enlightened People (who f#$%ing love science–except for IQ and genetics)?

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    . . . well . . . except ole' Tailgunner Joe . . . was correct. Even heroic. IOTW, a good guy. I see your point but maybe use another label? Maybe "Maoism for Enlightened People"? Cultural Revolution and all that?

    Check the interwebs for Ann Coulter's column of 11/7/2007.
    And the book by M. Stanton Evans, "Blacklisted By History"

    As Ann puts it, that era shows us the touchstone of how the left re-writes history.

    Re-writing is a key concept.
    Current discussion on Steve's blogpiece of "that's not who we are" is to discuss the ways of re-writing 400 years of American demographics.
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  28. @Hail
    A googling of "Who We Are" reveals overwhelmingly recent results, essentially all from the Clinton/Obama Left (and a few top results from Paul Ryan). The only other result not from the U.S. Left or Weakling-Right is a 2013 documentary about Syrian refugees in Lebanon.

    Here is an op-ed somebody wrote in Dec. 2014 on the phrase:


    "That's not who we are" is an annoying phrase. It's time to drop it for good.

    I was familiar with this expression, of course, but never read and heard it so frequently as in the past decade. It's self-serving, pious and doesn't require an offer of proof.
     

    To me, "Not Who Are Are" is a phrase of the 2010s, but here is the opinion column writer claiming he'd been hearing it often from the mid-2000s. His op-ed is the only google result from earlier than 2015 in the first many pages of results.

    I do find a few isolated uses of "who we are," in close to its present-day political meaning, in obscure Congressional speeches from 2007:

    Congressman Paul Hodes speaking, October 10, 2007:


    We needs the people of this country to step up and speak to their representaties and say this veto must not stand. It's not right for America. It's not who we are. It's not the moral thing. It's not the right thing to do monetarily.
     
    A search of the Congressional Record for those 15 days in October 2007 reveals the phrase "who we are" came up six times, with only the one cited unambiguously approaching the present political connotation.

    OT, but Lebanon’s exploding, not least thanks to the aforementioned refugees throwing the delicate post-Taif ethnic situation out of whack. Poor country suffered enough in the 70s and 80s… yet what is a miracle is that it took so long to happen. The confessional political system worked, but it utterly relied on keeping a strict balance of power between the sectarian groups. Yet another “achievement” in America’s last 20 years of foreign policy in that part of the world.

    There’s something so… Obama-esque about that saying. The emptiness disguised by an eloquent tone and adoring bien-pensants. The denial that there’s any meaning whatsoever to the most basic features of a nation. Something so encapsulating about the official ideology of 2010s America.

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  29. “Every syllable that Founding Father Emma Lazarus carved on the Statue of Liberty in 1776 is sacred and eternal.”

    Don’t you mean the Statue of Immigration?

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  30. Lay back and think about what isn’t who we are.

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  31. @bgates
    It's an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here - and if you don't think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.

    Why is it important to be who we are? It must be that identity is important. And what is our identity, in this telling? We don't really have one. We are a welcome mat for Bangladesh.

    It's infuriating how good Democrats are at insisting on contradictions. We must always be who we are, and that requires fundamental transformation. Change! Always change - but always the same change.

    “It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity.”

    Very true.

    I have two words that prove that White Privilege is something real among the people who “fight” White Privilege.:

    Tim Wise

    Do you think left-wing whites would pay money to get yelled at by, say, the BLM women who shut down Bernie Sanders’ rally?

    When Tim Wise is criticizing “White People”, they feel in their hearts he is making an exception for them. He means those guys in Mississippi, not New York or California.

    When the ladies of BLM yelled at the Sanders crowd, they were yelling at THEM.

    There are plenty of black writers who write more intelligently about race than Tim Wise, with much less fame. Granted, that is setting the bar very low. For example, read Adolph Reed, Jr. who points out that identity politics are just a way to divide working people and make it easier for elites to screw over everyone. I admit my bias, because the late Adolph Reed, Sr. was a close friend of my family, so I was very much influenced by Adolph, Sr.’s thinking.

    I am a left-winger, mix of white and Cherokee, and my kids are a mixture of three races. My kids just want to be normal Americans, not People of Color. At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

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    At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a "race traitor" when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " I am a left winger"

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called "leftist" viewpoint and not see through it's mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my "Mensa" mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those "workers paradises", so much for "Leftist" concepts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973 , airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  32. In reality, this is Who We Are- United Deep States of Byzantine Hullabaloo :

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/940425128608968709

    And yet, King Erdogan Kong ain’t got sh!t on these public servants !

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  33. white men need to understand the violence they perpetrate. white people, women included, need to understand their privilege and its cost. If you feel uncomfortable because a brown or a female person is expressing their frustration as they begin to emerge from their perception and join the conversation, back up, quiet down, listen, acknowledge, then speak your mind. Perhaps it isn’t joining into the divisive Trumpsterism so much as saying, I want in and I have needs, I don’t know how to express it, but here I am. white folk have much, much, much, to be held accountable for. Men have much to account for. So settle down guys, yes, you are a good guy. It’s a shame that so many of the bad guys have clouded the view and opportunities. But that too is your challenge to overcome.

    People of color have grown ever more tired of being respectful toward racists. They are angry and for many of themthere is no need to hide there feelings about white America, of which you guys a part.

    They have been lied to, beaten and ostracized in their own country and you guys ask why they don’t try being nice to their oppressors. whites need to stop telling them how to deal with their problem, we don’t have a clue.

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    "It's people like you what causes unrest."

    - John Cleese
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Whatever you're smoking, please share it with the rest of the class.
    , @anonymous
    Mr. Duck--your therapist just called. Need to increase your dosage.
    , @Moses
    This is much better quality trolling, Tiny. It shows you care.
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  34. I’m going to argue the other side of this. Obama is being frank and specific. When he says “we” he means:

    1) Not white males

    Everyone who heard Obama use this phrase knew what it meant. He is explicitly calling upon the Coalition of the Fringes to come to his aid. And he’s hanging out the “No White Males Need Apply” sign.

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  35. I love “that’s not who we are”.

    It’s begging for Trump to pull a Fake News and start using it himself.

    Imagine the applause at a rally:

    “These democrats, you know, they always complain, they complain about The Wall, they complain about tax cuts, whatever I do, they say ‘oh, oh no, that’s just not who we are’.

    Well I’m here to tell you, letting our great veterans suffer, while illegal immigrants and criminals get a free ride — THATS not who we are. Watching our jobs get shipped overseas and doing nothing about it — THATS not who we are. Allowing in more and more terrorists to come into this country THATS not who we are” Etc etc

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  36. Thinking people want leaders who use logic, truth, reason and statistics.

    Democrats: “That’s not who we are.”
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  37. And if you don’t like “who we are”, or rather “what we’ve become”, then you should go find another place to live in, as the governor of Minnesota, Mark Dayton, said:

    Mark Dayton: Find Another State

    The governor told the citizens of his own state to leave if they didn’t like their home being given over to hostile, unassimilable aliens.

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  38. @Hail
    A googling of "Who We Are" reveals overwhelmingly recent results, essentially all from the Clinton/Obama Left (and a few top results from Paul Ryan). The only other result not from the U.S. Left or Weakling-Right is a 2013 documentary about Syrian refugees in Lebanon.

    Here is an op-ed somebody wrote in Dec. 2014 on the phrase:


    "That's not who we are" is an annoying phrase. It's time to drop it for good.

    I was familiar with this expression, of course, but never read and heard it so frequently as in the past decade. It's self-serving, pious and doesn't require an offer of proof.
     

    To me, "Not Who Are Are" is a phrase of the 2010s, but here is the opinion column writer claiming he'd been hearing it often from the mid-2000s. His op-ed is the only google result from earlier than 2015 in the first many pages of results.

    I do find a few isolated uses of "who we are," in close to its present-day political meaning, in obscure Congressional speeches from 2007:

    Congressman Paul Hodes speaking, October 10, 2007:


    We needs the people of this country to step up and speak to their representaties and say this veto must not stand. It's not right for America. It's not who we are. It's not the moral thing. It's not the right thing to do monetarily.
     
    A search of the Congressional Record for those 15 days in October 2007 reveals the phrase "who we are" came up six times, with only the one cited unambiguously approaching the present political connotation.

    While we’re at it lets jettison “right–and wrong–side of history”. (Note: Have you seen this execrable show “Scandal”? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,”You don’t want to be on TWSOH,do you?”)
    Also I’ve never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?

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    What could be more idiotic than Obama talking about "the moral arc of the universe" as if there is such a thing?
    , @nebulafox
    There is no "right" or "wrong" side to history. Beyond basic contours, it is supreme folly to think that mere mortals can fathom what will happen in the future. Did Romans living in the era of Trajan ever think that a little over 100 years later, civilization as they knew it would nearly collapse? Did anybody in what was once Magdeburg after the Thirty Year's War imagine that their German state would eventually forcibly unify the lands around them into Europe's biggest industrial and scientific powerhouse? Did a Chinese peasant born in 1963 in a humble fishing village called Shenzhen imagine that 50 years later, he'd be able to share a daily video call with his daughter studying in America in his skyscraper, air-conditioned apartment-and that he'd be able to eat meat whenever he felt like it?

    That platitude is not just wrong, but dangerous: we, as human beings, forge history. That's our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker. To imply that history is beyond our control discourages people to do so, that there's no point to it. Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with Obama in his last years in office, elicits justified contempt: and fierce efforts to demonstrate independence by doing the opposite. Enter Trump.

    , @dr kill
    It is terrible TV, but the losers portrayed make the average viewer FEEL better about their self.
    , @Kylie
    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.
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  39. @Hail
    A googling of "Who We Are" reveals overwhelmingly recent results, essentially all from the Clinton/Obama Left (and a few top results from Paul Ryan). The only other result not from the U.S. Left or Weakling-Right is a 2013 documentary about Syrian refugees in Lebanon.

    Here is an op-ed somebody wrote in Dec. 2014 on the phrase:


    "That's not who we are" is an annoying phrase. It's time to drop it for good.

    I was familiar with this expression, of course, but never read and heard it so frequently as in the past decade. It's self-serving, pious and doesn't require an offer of proof.
     

    To me, "Not Who Are Are" is a phrase of the 2010s, but here is the opinion column writer claiming he'd been hearing it often from the mid-2000s. His op-ed is the only google result from earlier than 2015 in the first many pages of results.

    I do find a few isolated uses of "who we are," in close to its present-day political meaning, in obscure Congressional speeches from 2007:

    Congressman Paul Hodes speaking, October 10, 2007:


    We needs the people of this country to step up and speak to their representaties and say this veto must not stand. It's not right for America. It's not who we are. It's not the moral thing. It's not the right thing to do monetarily.
     
    A search of the Congressional Record for those 15 days in October 2007 reveals the phrase "who we are" came up six times, with only the one cited unambiguously approaching the present political connotation.

    bored identity will take an opportunity to nominate this bunch of Ravishing Hofstranauts as a legit grandiose-finalists in “Not Who We Are” category :

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    Irony: Most of the people in this video clip aren't who Americans Traditionally Are.
    , @gtye
    Physiognomy is real.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    She doesn't have to say a word as her stupid face reveals her standpoints.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet,and pro jazz artist.
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  40. @Anon
    “That’s not who we are”

    People must say "YOU are not who WE are."

    A surreal world. All the world wants to take flight from their non-white nations to white nations, but in white nations, they join in the symbolic 'flight from white'.

    Even when non-whites choose to live in non-white communities, they prefer their own communities IN the white world. So, Chinese prefer Chinatown in the West than China itself. Hindus Indotowns in the West than India itself. Mexicans prefer Mex-town in the US than Mexico itself.
    Even race-mixers prefer to mix in the West. So, the Jungle-ites wanna mix with blacks in the West than in black nations.

    Non-whites want to move to white nations. But for non-whites to secure such privilege, whites must renounce their 'white privilege' and white identity(aka 'white supremacism') and have NO RIGHT to defend or preserve their race, territory, or heritage; such exists only to be colonized by non-whites. So, non-whites attack whiteness even as they gravitate toward it.

    So, TNWWA is about how whites must serve as beached whale for others to feast on.

    Whites must say "We are NOT what YOU are." If these non-whites find so much problem with whiteness, stay in non-white nations or return to them.

    Non-whites want to move to white nations.

    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

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    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    It doesn't matter. The fact is via chain migration, they want to bring more and more.

    This is a bigger problem with kinship nations.

    Europe is mostly about nuclear family or singles. Same goes for East Asia, which is now about nuclear families with one child maybe.

    But Middle East, India, and Muslim nations are still kinship societies. You don't see yourself as an individual or a member of a single household but as a kinship community. So, when you come over, you still think of your cousins, uncles, aunts, kins, clan, etc. They think like Gypsies who are all about kinship links and tribal community.
    , @Anon
    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    It doesn't matter. The fact is via chain migration, they want to bring more and more.

    This is a bigger problem with kinship nations.

    Europe is mostly about nuclear family or singles. Same goes for East Asia, which is now about nuclear families with one child maybe.

    But Middle East, India, and Muslim nations are still kinship societies. You don't see yourself as an individual or a member of a single household but as a kinship community. So, when you come over, you still think of your cousins, uncles, aunts, kins, clan, etc. They think like Gypsies who are all about kinship links and tribal community.

    As for Africa, it's a Pack Community. It's more instinctual and less cultural than with Muslims or Hindus. It's like vultures or hyenas. When a hippo carcass is found, a whole bunch of creatures just flock to feed. It's a frenzy. And African Frenzy or Afrenzy is at the heart of the current invasion of Europe. The howl-call is out: Easy Meat, Easy Money, Easy Gibsme's, Easy Poons, etc. And it's like all creatures heard the cry and are headed up north to take part in the fun feeding frenzy.

    Merkel the Tarjane yelled Ahhhhhhhhhhh, and the Africans heard the cry. "Come to Europe for free bananas".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMC_y5lQ-Q

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  41. @Father O'Hara
    While we're at it lets jettison "right--and wrong--side of history". (Note: Have you seen this execrable show "Scandal"? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,"You don't want to be on TWSOH,do you?")
    Also I've never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?

    What could be more idiotic than Obama talking about “the moral arc of the universe” as if there is such a thing?

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    “the moral arc of the universe”
     
    A trope snagged from Martin Luther King, but probably not original with him.
    , @Hail
    When did the phrase "moral arc [of the universe]" emerge in English, either in its present politicized connotation or earlier? (I suspect a religious origin for earlier iterations of this phrase.)

    It certainly wasn't common until the Obama era, when he popularized it. Steve Sailer overtook the Moral Arc way back in the Nineties...

    Ngram frequency of 'moral arc' vs. 'Steve Sailer'.

    https://twitter.com/Hail__To_You/status/940666788752363522

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  42. @Harry Baldwin
    What could be more idiotic than Obama talking about "the moral arc of the universe" as if there is such a thing?

    “the moral arc of the universe”

    A trope snagged from Martin Luther King, but probably not original with him.

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    It comes from Theodore Parker, a mid-nineteenth-century transcendentalist preacher, who wrote, "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

    I wonder if King ever credited his source? It wouldn't have been characteristic of him to do so.
    , @Anonymous
    If Michael King ever had as much as a single original thought, history never recorded it.

    That is what is so "amazing" to the racially unconscious, indeed, even to those who know the score since blacks of some stature usually have some, minor, individual thoughts that provide occasional levity. This guy was singularly unoriginal.
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  43. As for Sweden, هذا ما نحن عليه

    (“That is who we are”)

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  44. @Father O'Hara
    While we're at it lets jettison "right--and wrong--side of history". (Note: Have you seen this execrable show "Scandal"? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,"You don't want to be on TWSOH,do you?")
    Also I've never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?

    There is no “right” or “wrong” side to history. Beyond basic contours, it is supreme folly to think that mere mortals can fathom what will happen in the future. Did Romans living in the era of Trajan ever think that a little over 100 years later, civilization as they knew it would nearly collapse? Did anybody in what was once Magdeburg after the Thirty Year’s War imagine that their German state would eventually forcibly unify the lands around them into Europe’s biggest industrial and scientific powerhouse? Did a Chinese peasant born in 1963 in a humble fishing village called Shenzhen imagine that 50 years later, he’d be able to share a daily video call with his daughter studying in America in his skyscraper, air-conditioned apartment-and that he’d be able to eat meat whenever he felt like it?

    That platitude is not just wrong, but dangerous: we, as human beings, forge history. That’s our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker. To imply that history is beyond our control discourages people to do so, that there’s no point to it. Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with Obama in his last years in office, elicits justified contempt: and fierce efforts to demonstrate independence by doing the opposite. Enter Trump.

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    That’s our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker.
     
    In other words we Americans have been failing across the board. But in the "sleeker" category it's not just failure ... it's a blow out.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with O in his last years in office"

    So you are bemoaning the fact that he was unable to do even more damage, if he had been less impotent.

    And your synopsis and theories regarding history are beyond absurd : "Mere mortals.
    Apparently you are suggesting that something or someone "above" the status of "Mere mortal" would then be able to forcast the future, excuse me but I feel like puking.

    "We as human beings forge history" : Hogwash, history is the results of actions and events, and it is never "forged", to "forge" meaning to intentionally set an end result, rather things are set in motion and the results are rarely ever known until they occur, as "history" is just that : "history" which was not set up in advance.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  45. @bored identity
    bored identity will take an opportunity to nominate this bunch of Ravishing Hofstranauts as a legit grandiose-finalists in "Not Who We Are" category :

    https://youtu.be/KrKIWu0zrV8?t=30s

    Irony: Most of the people in this video clip aren’t who Americans Traditionally Are.

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    And that's precisely why those Hofstranauts earned bored identity's endorsement to be fully inaugurated in 'Not Who We Are' Hall of Fame.
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  46. @Harry Baldwin
    What could be more idiotic than Obama talking about "the moral arc of the universe" as if there is such a thing?

    When did the phrase “moral arc [of the universe]” emerge in English, either in its present politicized connotation or earlier? (I suspect a religious origin for earlier iterations of this phrase.)

    It certainly wasn’t common until the Obama era, when he popularized it. Steve Sailer overtook the Moral Arc way back in the Nineties…

    Ngram frequency of ‘moral arc’ vs. ‘Steve Sailer’.

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  47. @Svigor

    It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.
     
    One of the left's dirty little secrets is that they depend upon White tribal identity.

    "Whites don't have a tribal identity."
    "We must be racially tolerant."
    "Whites are to be held to high standards of tolerance, enforcing diversity, anti-racism, etc."
    "Non-whites are to be held to lower standards, or no standards at all."
    Etc.

    These are all White Tribal Values. I suspect that the major reason that Whites hold them (relatively) strongly is because they know they are White Tribal Values.

    Destructive, maladaptive, pathological White Tribal Values, of largely alien origin, instilled and enforced by mass media indoctrination from a hostile, alien elite, but White Tribal Values nonetheless.

    Without Whites, what would hold the POC coalition together?Manicheism needs two sides in order to function…..

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  48. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Magarac

    Non-whites want to move to white nations.
     
    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    It doesn’t matter. The fact is via chain migration, they want to bring more and more.

    This is a bigger problem with kinship nations.

    Europe is mostly about nuclear family or singles. Same goes for East Asia, which is now about nuclear families with one child maybe.

    But Middle East, India, and Muslim nations are still kinship societies. You don’t see yourself as an individual or a member of a single household but as a kinship community. So, when you come over, you still think of your cousins, uncles, aunts, kins, clan, etc. They think like Gypsies who are all about kinship links and tribal community.

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  49. @Jack D
    Granting to yourself the right to proclaim what it means to be an American on behalf of others is a very arrogant move. But only if WE allow the proclaimers to get away with it.

    I'm sure everyone knows the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves surround by hostile Indians and the L.R. turns to Tonto and says, "Looks like we are in a lot of trouble, Tonto!" and Tonto replies, "What do you mean WE, white man?"

    Or picture . . . Visiting advisor / Deplorable worker:

    “We need to . . . . . . . . ”

    “What’s this WE sh**? You got an elephant in yer pocket?”

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    @Joe Magarac

    Non-whites want to move to white nations.
     
    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    It doesn’t matter. The fact is via chain migration, they want to bring more and more.

    This is a bigger problem with kinship nations.

    Europe is mostly about nuclear family or singles. Same goes for East Asia, which is now about nuclear families with one child maybe.

    But Middle East, India, and Muslim nations are still kinship societies. You don’t see yourself as an individual or a member of a single household but as a kinship community. So, when you come over, you still think of your cousins, uncles, aunts, kins, clan, etc. They think like Gypsies who are all about kinship links and tribal community.

    As for Africa, it’s a Pack Community. It’s more instinctual and less cultural than with Muslims or Hindus. It’s like vultures or hyenas. When a hippo carcass is found, a whole bunch of creatures just flock to feed. It’s a frenzy. And African Frenzy or Afrenzy is at the heart of the current invasion of Europe. The howl-call is out: Easy Meat, Easy Money, Easy Gibsme’s, Easy Poons, etc. And it’s like all creatures heard the cry and are headed up north to take part in the fun feeding frenzy.

    Merkel the Tarjane yelled Ahhhhhhhhhhh, and the Africans heard the cry. “Come to Europe for free bananas”.

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    Very good, I like your analysis. I have experience with Mohammedans. Yes, kinship culture. Clan-ish.
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  51. @attilathehen
    Here's a variation on the that's not who we are. I thought Glenn Beck sticking his face into a bowl of Cheetos to protest the Cheetos Hitler was the lowest he could go. But this nut case just went even lower. He is now saying that the Santa in the Rudolph the Reindeer Christmas show is now a xenophobic jerk. Santa is not who we are.


    http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/12/12/heres-why-this-christmas-classic-is-abominable-by-todays-standards/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=latestfromglenn&utm_campaign=latestfromglenn

    My favorite line from Rudolph is when Donner goes to look for Rudolph and Mrs. Donner wants to go along, he tells her, “no, this is man work.” I’m surprised they haven’t edited it out of the show.

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    The thing is, real women are now as they always have been completely on board with the idea of men's work and women's work and their complementary nature.
    , @attilathehen
    Now that you brought it up, it might just be edited. These people are nuts.
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  52. It’s literally sloganeering. They’re being painfully obvious. When they promoted reading 1984 as though that would hurt Trump I was very happy, because that guarantees that there will be kids who pick up on these secular cultists reassuring each other that “the revolution will be complete when the language is perfected.’
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    The other day I praised Ira Glass based on past performance and he repaid me with sneering propaganda about dumb rednecks who hallucinate managerial preference for recently arrived Central Americans and are up in arms over losing the cost of two large pizzas. It is still the case that This American Life is the closest NPR comes to journalism, especially after the loss of Tom Ashbrook, by virtue of the time it spends on a story. Even last night’s hate screed was self-defeating in its own detail.

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    The very dilemma of NPR: sneering leftist platitudes, yes, but at least they spend more than twenty seconds on a story.
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  53. @kihowi
    Is this Steve Sailer's law of Steve Sailer?

    Journalism by Steve Sailer has the goal of creating a society where people who communicate like Steve Sailer are more influential than they are now.

    ie where empty emotional language is deprecated and conversations are based on data and clear trains of thought

    ie nerdy and masculine

    ie nerdy and masculine

    Nerdy and Sturdy, or Sterdy.

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    Sterdy, but not spergy.
    , @SimpleSong
    Love it. That needs to be translated into Latin and put it on some sort of crest or seal.
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  54. It’s infuriating how good Democrats are at insisting on contradictions. We must always be who we are, and that requires fundamental transformation. Change! Always change – but always the same change.

    So We is basically like the landing surface of an escalator?

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  55. Defining who we are by stating who we are not.

    “I don’t want my children to be part of a vast pool of cheap labor owned by the donor class. That’s not who I am.”

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  56. Even better is when they talk about our British/American/Swedish/French values and procede to describe something that would either have been alien to people only 30 years ago or is so abstract as to cover anywhere in the Western world and sometimes almost anywhere at any time.

    The rate of change becoming even more aggressive. When I was maybe a young teenager I remember seeing a march in Copenhagen calling for open borders (With signs all in English, naturally and participants being almost all ethnic Danes, though given the timing it might have been in reaction to immigration restriction brought in at the time.). I thought that was the most chilling and threatening idea I’d ever heard. I wasn’t right wing or brought up by right wing parents, I was just capable of imagining what that would mean and total ethnic displacement that would inevitably result didn’t appeal. Now we’re on the verge of that being a little bit just outside explicit elite opinion.

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  57. The phrase “who we are” seems to have really taken off from 1964.
    Maybe something to do with the presidential election that year and defining “us” away from Barry Goldwater, or the debates about the Hart-Cellar Act, or possibly disagreements about whether we should become more deeply involved in the Viet Nam war…?

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  58. That’s not what we are worth: ‘Not a typo’: Disbelief as Boston Globe confirms median net worth of black Bostonians is $8

    The Boston Globe had to explain there were no typographical errors in its report about Boston’s black community. Readers contacted the paper after it reported the median net worth of African-American households in the Boston area is a paltry $8.

    The Boston Globe’s Spotlight investigation team cited the statistic in its first installment of a series focusing on Boston’s black community and the city’s reputation as one of the most racist urban regions in America.

    The first time I hear that Boston is particularly racist.

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    You must not remember the school busing protests.
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  59. @bored identity
    bored identity will take an opportunity to nominate this bunch of Ravishing Hofstranauts as a legit grandiose-finalists in "Not Who We Are" category :

    https://youtu.be/KrKIWu0zrV8?t=30s

    Physiognomy is real.

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  60. Everyone here (including Steve) is in reacting mode. It’s ultimately just defensive.

    You need a theory to beat a theory. You need a frame to beat a frame.

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  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Quoting Mr. Figliuzzi:

    Do we want to view anyone from a different country, with a different set of beliefs, as no longer welcome here? I would argue we do not. … That’s not who we are.

    What “we” is there in a patchwork of different countries, different sets of beliefs, and different cultures?

    It’s an Orwellian inversion, because the things they most often deem Who we are — like unrestricted multicultural immigration — ensure you have no “we” to belong to.

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  62. @Svigor

    It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.
     
    One of the left's dirty little secrets is that they depend upon White tribal identity.

    "Whites don't have a tribal identity."
    "We must be racially tolerant."
    "Whites are to be held to high standards of tolerance, enforcing diversity, anti-racism, etc."
    "Non-whites are to be held to lower standards, or no standards at all."
    Etc.

    These are all White Tribal Values. I suspect that the major reason that Whites hold them (relatively) strongly is because they know they are White Tribal Values.

    Destructive, maladaptive, pathological White Tribal Values, of largely alien origin, instilled and enforced by mass media indoctrination from a hostile, alien elite, but White Tribal Values nonetheless.

    White Tribal Identity – this is why they don’t march against Muslim rape gangs in the UK. Because they think Pakistanis are so far below them, that they simply can’t help it. Only the holy and pure white man can afford to have such morality.

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  63. “This is so” simply means “I will that this be so.”

    Therefore “That’s not who we are” is another way of saying, “That’s not who I will us to be.”

    It’s about the possible future, and the future people, that I am willing into existence. It also implies “There is no place for you in the future I seek to create.”

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  64. Where do you get this we stuff, Kemo Sabe.

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  65. SF mayor and Gavin Newsom appointee Ed Lee died today.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-Mayor-Ed-Lee-dead-at-65-12423708.php

    The Board of Supervisors now will appoint a new mayor if its members can get to six votes — Breed is no longer a supervisor. If no candidate gets that majority support, Breed would continue to serve as mayor until a special election is held in June 2018. The next regularly scheduled mayoral election is in 2019.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ed-lee-dead-san-fransisco-mayor_us_5a2fb200e4b01598ac47c653

    Lee was best known for his progressive policies on immigration and defending San Francisco as a sanctuary city. He also tried to combat the city’s longstanding homelessness problem with the creation of Navigation Centers, a short-term housing option, and investments in affordable housing programs.

    Lee was also instrumental in raising San Francisco’s minimum wage in 2014, making it the highest in the country at the time.

    Before entering city politics in the 1980s, Lee cut his teeth in San Francisco activism by advocating for the city’s large Chinese-American population. As a lawyer, he famously sued the San Francisco Police Department over height requirements that excluded many Asian-American candidates and sued the San Francisco Fire Department over racial hazing.

    He was also a fierce advocate for residents of the city’s Chinatown, the oldest such neighborhood in the U.S. and one of the largest Chinese enclaves outside China. In 1978, Lee famously went after the city over unlivable conditions at the neighborhood’s Ping Yuen public housing complex and organized a successful rent strike.

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    Surprising to read there was public housing for . . . Chinese? I thought that demographic was more capable than that. More to that story?
    , @bored identity
    Should bored identity take for granted Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow's claims that Bulgarian umbrella is a waaay better bang for the buck than Chinese umbrella?

    And why do you need an umbrella in always sunny dispositioned Baghdad by the Bay ?


    Not even KGB has an answer for Chinese superstitions.
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  66. In China the Chinese say:”Import thousands of Hindu Legal Immigrants into China’s Engineering Schools?…..That’s not who we are!!!!”

    The Hindus in India say:”Import thousands of Chinese Legal Immigrants into India’s Engineering Schools?…That’s not who we are!!!

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    They hate each other.
    , @snorlax
    Which is slightly ironic in that a grilled cheese sandwich could graduate from an Indian or Chinese "engineering school."
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  67. Is it Walter Schaub?

    Or is it Walter Schlub…with an adenoid problem?….

    Are we a Nation of Schlubs?…”WE are SHLUBS!!!!?……It’s in the Constitution!!!! …you know….

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  68. @Cortes
    John Michael Greer has a great essay on the subject:

    https://www.ecosophia.net/field-guide-thoughtstoppers/

    Well worth a read.

    This seems similar to what Daniel Dennett calls a “Deepity.”

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    Thanks for that. Will check it out.

    JM Greer does tease out different elements of the thoughtstopper, including in the comments section.

    “Vacuous Belch” is the best.
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  69. Another good one for people who use oppressive ‘we’ too much: You got a mouse in your pocket?

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  70. @Steve Sailer
    That's the plan.

    To borrow a phrase from Peppermint Patty, “Why Steve, you sly dog, you.”

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  71. It’s always easier to say what something isn’t than what it is. What is a muon? Well, it isn’t a bowl of rice crispies. And so on forever.

    Could you imagine being cooped up in a confined space with someone like Hilary where you have to guess what’s on her mind? “No, it’s not that” ad infinitum. Until you throttle her with your bare hands while saying “I can’t speak for you but this is who I am”.

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  72. @Jack D
    Granting to yourself the right to proclaim what it means to be an American on behalf of others is a very arrogant move. But only if WE allow the proclaimers to get away with it.

    I'm sure everyone knows the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves surround by hostile Indians and the L.R. turns to Tonto and says, "Looks like we are in a lot of trouble, Tonto!" and Tonto replies, "What do you mean WE, white man?"

    Hear him!

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  73. @attilathehen
    Here's a variation on the that's not who we are. I thought Glenn Beck sticking his face into a bowl of Cheetos to protest the Cheetos Hitler was the lowest he could go. But this nut case just went even lower. He is now saying that the Santa in the Rudolph the Reindeer Christmas show is now a xenophobic jerk. Santa is not who we are.


    http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/12/12/heres-why-this-christmas-classic-is-abominable-by-todays-standards/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=latestfromglenn&utm_campaign=latestfromglenn

    It’s funny, but looking back, there was a time I had a modicum of respect for Beck.

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    When he first came out, he was ok. He was the one who brought up George Soros and all his political action groups. He was fired by CNN and then went to Fox. Someone must have talked to him because he turned into one big time semitophile, negrophiliac. Rush Limbaugh is just behind him in this. Beck is pretty much done though. He laid off a bunch of people at The Blaze and I think it's just him now. But he's doing ok. He's worth more than $100 million, so he can basically just treat The Blaze as his youtube channel.

    Limbaugh is going nuts because the NFL/NBA have collapsed. He's a big-time negrophiliac. He does support Trump so that is what is keeps him afloat. If he starts to wane in ratings, he's rich and will be ok.
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    Thanks for that.
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  75. @Hail
    Immigrant Supremacism

    = Immigrants are More American than those with multigenerational roots in America (i.e., White [and, don't talk too much about this, but also Black] losers). "America always and forever belongs to immigrants," a civilizational pyramid scheme.

    This is as old as the Civil War. I’m always reminded of the story of the U.S. officer with heavy German accent lecturing a group of Confederate prisoners (whose grandparents founded the country) on what “America” really means.

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    Cite?
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  76. @Stephen Paul Foster
    Pity the very few Polish Catholics left in Hamtramck, MI who must be looking around at all the burkas and saying, "that's not who we are." Apparently "who we are now" in Hamtramck means "little Yemen".

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html

    Danke.

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  77. It’ all comes down to the contempt White Americans shown by Barry of Indonesia and Shrillary and frankly most Leftists of both parties.

    It’s about the continued displacement of native-born Americans by Turd Worlders.

    The Dems as a political party must have poor “non-White” peasants to create subsidies for and thus get and stay elected.

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    And employers must have their cheap labor. The corporate Repubs and Chamber of Commerce are implicated in this up to their eyeballs.
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  78. @J.Ross
    It's literally sloganeering. They're being painfully obvious. When they promoted reading 1984 as though that would hurt Trump I was very happy, because that guarantees that there will be kids who pick up on these secular cultists reassuring each other that "the revolution will be complete when the language is perfected.'
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    The other day I praised Ira Glass based on past performance and he repaid me with sneering propaganda about dumb rednecks who hallucinate managerial preference for recently arrived Central Americans and are up in arms over losing the cost of two large pizzas. It is still the case that This American Life is the closest NPR comes to journalism, especially after the loss of Tom Ashbrook, by virtue of the time it spends on a story. Even last night's hate screed was self-defeating in its own detail.

    The very dilemma of NPR: sneering leftist platitudes, yes, but at least they spend more than twenty seconds on a story.

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    The very dilemma of NPR: sneering leftist platitudes, yes, but at least they spend more than twenty seconds on a story.
     
    Their bias lies not merely in how they report a story, but in what stories they bother to report.

    All Things Considered doesn't really consider all things, not even all important things.
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  79. @Anon
    I think perhaps the ones that move are not a representative sample.

    It doesn't matter. The fact is via chain migration, they want to bring more and more.

    This is a bigger problem with kinship nations.

    Europe is mostly about nuclear family or singles. Same goes for East Asia, which is now about nuclear families with one child maybe.

    But Middle East, India, and Muslim nations are still kinship societies. You don't see yourself as an individual or a member of a single household but as a kinship community. So, when you come over, you still think of your cousins, uncles, aunts, kins, clan, etc. They think like Gypsies who are all about kinship links and tribal community.

    As for Africa, it's a Pack Community. It's more instinctual and less cultural than with Muslims or Hindus. It's like vultures or hyenas. When a hippo carcass is found, a whole bunch of creatures just flock to feed. It's a frenzy. And African Frenzy or Afrenzy is at the heart of the current invasion of Europe. The howl-call is out: Easy Meat, Easy Money, Easy Gibsme's, Easy Poons, etc. And it's like all creatures heard the cry and are headed up north to take part in the fun feeding frenzy.

    Merkel the Tarjane yelled Ahhhhhhhhhhh, and the Africans heard the cry. "Come to Europe for free bananas".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMC_y5lQ-Q

    Very good, I like your analysis. I have experience with Mohammedans. Yes, kinship culture. Clan-ish.

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  80. @candid_observer
    Why is it that all the rude, stupid, ignorant people want to talk about facts and logic, and all the smart, sophisticated, articulate, elite people want to say only things like "That's not who we are"?

    This is a very good question.

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  81. @Anon
    “That’s not who we are”

    People must say "YOU are not who WE are."

    A surreal world. All the world wants to take flight from their non-white nations to white nations, but in white nations, they join in the symbolic 'flight from white'.

    Even when non-whites choose to live in non-white communities, they prefer their own communities IN the white world. So, Chinese prefer Chinatown in the West than China itself. Hindus Indotowns in the West than India itself. Mexicans prefer Mex-town in the US than Mexico itself.
    Even race-mixers prefer to mix in the West. So, the Jungle-ites wanna mix with blacks in the West than in black nations.

    Non-whites want to move to white nations. But for non-whites to secure such privilege, whites must renounce their 'white privilege' and white identity(aka 'white supremacism') and have NO RIGHT to defend or preserve their race, territory, or heritage; such exists only to be colonized by non-whites. So, non-whites attack whiteness even as they gravitate toward it.

    So, TNWWA is about how whites must serve as beached whale for others to feast on.

    Whites must say "We are NOT what YOU are." If these non-whites find so much problem with whiteness, stay in non-white nations or return to them.

    While we’re at it, could we stop saying ‘Let’s do this’ and ‘It’s to die for’ ? Thank you.

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  82. @Father O'Hara
    While we're at it lets jettison "right--and wrong--side of history". (Note: Have you seen this execrable show "Scandal"? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,"You don't want to be on TWSOH,do you?")
    Also I've never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?

    It is terrible TV, but the losers portrayed make the average viewer FEEL better about their self.

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  83. It seems to me that That’s Not Who We Are is a form of Ann Rand’s argument from intimidation (spelling error intentional – I detest made up name spellings)

    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/argument_from_intimidation.html.

    It impugns the moral authority of anyone holding an opposing view to that uttered by the person saying TNWWA

    As in:

    How could you be so heartless as to oppose higher taxes when there are starving babies in Bangladesh?

    How can you be so heartless as to oppose gun confiscation when twenty toddlers where just massacred in Connecticut?

    How can you be so heartless as to turn back desperate refugees who want to invade your country.

    The phrase should be seen as warning announcing that whatever the speaker is discussing is a self-serving lie and as a trigger to be on guard for further deception.

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  84. @Anon
    ie nerdy and masculine

    Nerdy and Sturdy, or Sterdy.

    Sterdy, but not spergy.

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  85. Smarter, Stronger, Sleeker. Not a bad submission for the Sailer Olympic HBD Games motto competition.

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  86. @oddsbodkins
    This seems similar to what Daniel Dennett calls a "Deepity."

    Thanks for that. Will check it out.

    JM Greer does tease out different elements of the thoughtstopper, including in the comments section.

    “Vacuous Belch” is the best.

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  87. @Paleo Liberal
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity."

    Very true.

    I have two words that prove that White Privilege is something real among the people who "fight" White Privilege.:

    Tim Wise

    Do you think left-wing whites would pay money to get yelled at by, say, the BLM women who shut down Bernie Sanders' rally?

    When Tim Wise is criticizing "White People", they feel in their hearts he is making an exception for them. He means those guys in Mississippi, not New York or California.

    When the ladies of BLM yelled at the Sanders crowd, they were yelling at THEM.


    There are plenty of black writers who write more intelligently about race than Tim Wise, with much less fame. Granted, that is setting the bar very low. For example, read Adolph Reed, Jr. who points out that identity politics are just a way to divide working people and make it easier for elites to screw over everyone. I admit my bias, because the late Adolph Reed, Sr. was a close friend of my family, so I was very much influenced by Adolph, Sr.'s thinking.

    I am a left-winger, mix of white and Cherokee, and my kids are a mixture of three races. My kids just want to be normal Americans, not People of Color. At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would've been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn't want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a “race traitor” when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.

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    ME: At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    MarkinLA: He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a “race traitor” when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.
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    That may have worked for some folks, but not my son. At the time he made Calvin Coolidge look like a chatterbox. Most likely he would've sat there and said absolutely nothing.

    I thought it better for him not to go.

    The fact it was a 5 hour journey, with a few days in a motel, was actually the only good part about it. He probably would've gone with some American Indian friends of his, and he always had a great time with them. Right before a different trip I pointed out that my Indian ancestors and their Indian ancestors were bitter enemies for centuries, and the chaperone felt obliged to assure me that they wouldn't actually let those kids drown my son as they threatened. My son and I knew it was just friendly teasing.
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  88. @Hail
    Irony: Most of the people in this video clip aren't who Americans Traditionally Are.

    And that’s precisely why those Hofstranauts earned bored identity’s endorsement to be fully inaugurated in ‘Not Who We Are’ Hall of Fame.

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  89. @Joe Magarac

    “the moral arc of the universe”
     
    A trope snagged from Martin Luther King, but probably not original with him.

    It comes from Theodore Parker, a mid-nineteenth-century transcendentalist preacher, who wrote, “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

    I wonder if King ever credited his source? It wouldn’t have been characteristic of him to do so.

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  90. Possible Trump slogan: This is who we are.

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    Trump does not need a slogan or to spend any more time jousting with the media; he has already wasted enough time with that; he has subordinates -- so far he is too busy with all that plus Being President to actually do anything meaningful.
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  91. Chuck Schumer constantly harped on how X or Y that Republicans proposed was “divisive”.

    Cancer is Progressive; cutting it out is “divisive.”

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  92. @Joe Magarac

    It’s 21st century prudery, like an elderly Victorian shutting down a conversation with “Why it’s simply not done!”
     
    I think it's far more sinister than that.

    If you disagree, you are implicitly excommunicated from "who we are".

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.

    I agree. “That’s not who we are” in the current PC context sounds more like a threat from would-be Nurse Ratcheds. “Get in line or else.”

    Harry Baldwin points out at the top of the thread that Trump’s election called the bluff of the ratched wretches. And as 27 year old suggests, Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.

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    you're right: it is indeed a threat=good strategy if you're dealing with sheep and morons
    , @AnotherDad

    Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.
     
    Good idea. Not as awesome as the "accomplice cities" someone cooked up last week. But a good idea.

    I hope the Trump aide in charge of monitering Sailer picks up on that.

    The commenters here are pretty handy with some of this verbal warfare. Kudos.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Well, that would be a really great idea there, but unfortunately he seems to be too busy cucking out to the Zionists and Neo-Cons (but I repeat myself) to take up that cudgel right now. Maybe if it was more shiny? His attention wanders, you know.
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  93. From Aynrandliexicon.com http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/argument_from_intimidation.html

    Argument from Intimidation

    There is a certain type of argument which, in fact, is not an argument, but a means of forestalling debate and extorting an opponent’s agreement with one’s undiscussed notions. It is a method of bypassing logic by means of psychological pressure . . . [It] consists of threatening to impeach an opponent’s character by means of his argument, thus impeaching the argument without debate. Example: “Only the immoral can fail to see that Candidate X’s argument is false.” . . . The falsehood of his argument is asserted arbitrarily and offered as proof of his immorality.

    In today’s epistemological jungle, that second method is used more frequently than any other type of irrational argument. It should be classified as a logical fallacy and may be designated as “The Argument from Intimidation.”

    The essential characteristic of the Argument from Intimidation is its appeal to moral self-doubt and its reliance on the fear, guilt or ignorance of the victim. It is used in the form of an ultimatum demanding that the victim renounce a given idea without discussion, under threat of being considered morally unworthy. The pattern is always: “Only those who are evil (dishonest, heartless, insensitive, ignorant, etc.) can hold such an idea.”

    The Virtue of Selfishness “The Argument from Intimidation,”
    The Virtue of Selfishness, 139

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  94. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.
     
    I agree. “That’s not who we are” in the current PC context sounds more like a threat from would-be Nurse Ratcheds. “Get in line or else.”

    Harry Baldwin points out at the top of the thread that Trump’s election called the bluff of the ratched wretches. And as 27 year old suggests, Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.

    you’re right: it is indeed a threat=good strategy if you’re dealing with sheep and morons

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  95. @Tulip
    I have a feeling that Charles Lindbergh in an unfortunate remark in 1941 may have started this whole line of rhetoric. Who remembers the House Un-American Activities Committee by the way? Pinko! That's not who we are!

    It is a stretch to attribute historic memory to the modern Left, but I think they retain certain mid-20th Century trauma associations, as well as a fiendish capacity for imitation. What is political correctness if not McCarthyism for Enlightened People (who f#$%ing love science--except for IQ and genetics)?

    . . . well . . . except ole’ Tailgunner Joe . . . was correct. Even heroic. IOTW, a good guy. I see your point but maybe use another label? Maybe “Maoism for Enlightened People”? Cultural Revolution and all that?

    Check the interwebs for Ann Coulter’s column of 11/7/2007.
    And the book by M. Stanton Evans, “Blacklisted By History”

    As Ann puts it, that era shows us the touchstone of how the left re-writes history.

    Re-writing is a key concept.
    Current discussion on Steve’s blogpiece of “that’s not who we are” is to discuss the ways of re-writing 400 years of American demographics.

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    . . . well . . . except ole’ Tailgunner Joe . . . was correct. Even heroic. IOTW, a good guy. I see your point but maybe use another label? Maybe “Maoism for Enlightened People”? Cultural Revolution and all that?

    Check the interwebs for Ann Coulter’s column of 11/7/2007.
    And the book by M. Stanton Evans, “Blacklisted By History”
     
    In her 2003 work "Treason" Ann Coulter devotes about a third of the book to the McCarthy era. For those who enjoy Coulter's inimitable writing, the entire book is an enlightening and entertaining read.

    Evans book is probably the authoritative book on McCarthy, and Coulter thanks Evans in the acknowledgements for giving her "original research for my brief version of a topic he will cover in meticulous detail in his forthcoming book".
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  96. This blogpiece by Steve and the comments are possibly the best discussion I’ve seen on the web since I discovered VDARE dot com.
    Thank you to everyone here.

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  97. @attilathehen
    Here's a variation on the that's not who we are. I thought Glenn Beck sticking his face into a bowl of Cheetos to protest the Cheetos Hitler was the lowest he could go. But this nut case just went even lower. He is now saying that the Santa in the Rudolph the Reindeer Christmas show is now a xenophobic jerk. Santa is not who we are.


    http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/12/12/heres-why-this-christmas-classic-is-abominable-by-todays-standards/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=latestfromglenn&utm_campaign=latestfromglenn

    Yep, when Beck and Ted Cruz went down to the Rio Grande Valley to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls to Obama’s kidinvasion arrivals I finally saw who they (Beck and Cruz) are.

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    Yes, these cucks welcomed "unaccompanied minors" who turned out to be MS-13 gang members from Central America.
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  98. @Olorin
    SF mayor and Gavin Newsom appointee Ed Lee died today.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-Mayor-Ed-Lee-dead-at-65-12423708.php


    The Board of Supervisors now will appoint a new mayor if its members can get to six votes — Breed is no longer a supervisor. If no candidate gets that majority support, Breed would continue to serve as mayor until a special election is held in June 2018. The next regularly scheduled mayoral election is in 2019.
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ed-lee-dead-san-fransisco-mayor_us_5a2fb200e4b01598ac47c653

    Lee was best known for his progressive policies on immigration and defending San Francisco as a sanctuary city. He also tried to combat the city’s longstanding homelessness problem with the creation of Navigation Centers, a short-term housing option, and investments in affordable housing programs.

    Lee was also instrumental in raising San Francisco’s minimum wage in 2014, making it the highest in the country at the time.

    Before entering city politics in the 1980s, Lee cut his teeth in San Francisco activism by advocating for the city’s large Chinese-American population. As a lawyer, he famously sued the San Francisco Police Department over height requirements that excluded many Asian-American candidates and sued the San Francisco Fire Department over racial hazing.

    He was also a fierce advocate for residents of the city’s Chinatown, the oldest such neighborhood in the U.S. and one of the largest Chinese enclaves outside China. In 1978, Lee famously went after the city over unlivable conditions at the neighborhood’s Ping Yuen public housing complex and organized a successful rent strike.
     

    Surprising to read there was public housing for . . . Chinese? I thought that demographic was more capable than that. More to that story?

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    20 or so years ago there was a very brief “scandal” where a woman of Chinese heritage pointed out that the local San Francisco Chinese language newspapers had advertisements from immigration attorneys offering to show the more affluent Chinese immigrants how to bring over their parents and get them on welfare. As I recall the kids just had to sponsor them for six months and then abandon them to the us tax payer’s care (thus the public housing). The story disappeared almost as fast as Feinstein’s MilCon war profiteering revelations.
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  99. I usually disagree with Pete Spiliakos , but this:

    The strategy is to make the bad whites a justification for the privilege and power of the good, solidly liberal whites. See? We are using our position to make America a better place (and living rather well in the meantime).

    is a center shot.

    The rest of it is here: Liberalism and the Wrath of the Privileged Whites

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  100. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.
     
    I agree. “That’s not who we are” in the current PC context sounds more like a threat from would-be Nurse Ratcheds. “Get in line or else.”

    Harry Baldwin points out at the top of the thread that Trump’s election called the bluff of the ratched wretches. And as 27 year old suggests, Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.

    Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.

    Good idea. Not as awesome as the “accomplice cities” someone cooked up last week. But a good idea.

    I hope the Trump aide in charge of monitering Sailer picks up on that.

    The commenters here are pretty handy with some of this verbal warfare. Kudos.

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    Good idea.
     
    Thanks, but to be clear, that’s from 27 year old.

    Not as awesome as the “accomplice cities” someone cooked up last week. But a good idea.
     
    Here’s my superior ;) term from that thread: Treason Towns
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  101. @Barnard
    My favorite line from Rudolph is when Donner goes to look for Rudolph and Mrs. Donner wants to go along, he tells her, "no, this is man work." I'm surprised they haven't edited it out of the show.

    The thing is, real women are now as they always have been completely on board with the idea of men’s work and women’s work and their complementary nature.

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    You will never see a woman washing the family car on a Sunday morning, that is mens work
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  102. @nebulafox
    There is no "right" or "wrong" side to history. Beyond basic contours, it is supreme folly to think that mere mortals can fathom what will happen in the future. Did Romans living in the era of Trajan ever think that a little over 100 years later, civilization as they knew it would nearly collapse? Did anybody in what was once Magdeburg after the Thirty Year's War imagine that their German state would eventually forcibly unify the lands around them into Europe's biggest industrial and scientific powerhouse? Did a Chinese peasant born in 1963 in a humble fishing village called Shenzhen imagine that 50 years later, he'd be able to share a daily video call with his daughter studying in America in his skyscraper, air-conditioned apartment-and that he'd be able to eat meat whenever he felt like it?

    That platitude is not just wrong, but dangerous: we, as human beings, forge history. That's our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker. To imply that history is beyond our control discourages people to do so, that there's no point to it. Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with Obama in his last years in office, elicits justified contempt: and fierce efforts to demonstrate independence by doing the opposite. Enter Trump.

    That’s our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker.

    In other words we Americans have been failing across the board. But in the “sleeker” category it’s not just failure … it’s a blow out.

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  103. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think it’s far more sinister than that.
     
    I agree. “That’s not who we are” in the current PC context sounds more like a threat from would-be Nurse Ratcheds. “Get in line or else.”

    Harry Baldwin points out at the top of the thread that Trump’s election called the bluff of the ratched wretches. And as 27 year old suggests, Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.

    Well, that would be a really great idea there, but unfortunately he seems to be too busy cucking out to the Zionists and Neo-Cons (but I repeat myself) to take up that cudgel right now. Maybe if it was more shiny? His attention wanders, you know.

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  104. @Barnard
    My favorite line from Rudolph is when Donner goes to look for Rudolph and Mrs. Donner wants to go along, he tells her, "no, this is man work." I'm surprised they haven't edited it out of the show.

    Now that you brought it up, it might just be edited. These people are nuts.

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  105. Can somebody explain to bored identity what else this Taqiya Versed invader has to do before Homeland Insecurity aparatus decides to deport him out of Notwhowearelandia?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/12/penn-state-exchange-student-apologizes-for-comments-that-sparked-campus-investigation/

    *******************************************************************************************************************************

    Geller & Spencer got banned from entering the UK with this explanation letter:

    “After careful consideration, she [the Home Secretary] personally directed that you should be excluded from the United Kingdom on the grounds that your presence here is not conducive to the public good.

    “The Home Secretary has reached this decision because you have brought yourself within the scope of the list of unacceptable behaviours by making statements that may foster hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the UK.”

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  106. @Hunsdon
    It's funny, but looking back, there was a time I had a modicum of respect for Beck.

    When he first came out, he was ok. He was the one who brought up George Soros and all his political action groups. He was fired by CNN and then went to Fox. Someone must have talked to him because he turned into one big time semitophile, negrophiliac. Rush Limbaugh is just behind him in this. Beck is pretty much done though. He laid off a bunch of people at The Blaze and I think it’s just him now. But he’s doing ok. He’s worth more than $100 million, so he can basically just treat The Blaze as his youtube channel.

    Limbaugh is going nuts because the NFL/NBA have collapsed. He’s a big-time negrophiliac. He does support Trump so that is what is keeps him afloat. If he starts to wane in ratings, he’s rich and will be ok.

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  107. Amazing how fast they are coming for the cooks:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/dining/ken-friedman-sexual-harassment.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=2A464ABD8932B3262D0DEC68B61A0E95&gwt=pay

    But again, I’ve never heard of any of these guys.

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  108. @AnotherDad

    Trump should take the phrase and (sarcastically) use it against the left.
     
    Good idea. Not as awesome as the "accomplice cities" someone cooked up last week. But a good idea.

    I hope the Trump aide in charge of monitering Sailer picks up on that.

    The commenters here are pretty handy with some of this verbal warfare. Kudos.

    Good idea.

    Thanks, but to be clear, that’s from 27 year old.

    Not as awesome as the “accomplice cities” someone cooked up last week. But a good idea.

    Here’s my superior ;) term from that thread: Treason Towns

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  109. @Father O'Hara
    While we're at it lets jettison "right--and wrong--side of history". (Note: Have you seen this execrable show "Scandal"? I caught a bit last nite where the POTUS wants to move his white wife out and marry the black lady. He says to his wife,"You don't want to be on TWSOH,do you?")
    Also I've never really gotten that stuff about the moral arc of the universe bending somehow. Is there a moral arc? Is it flexible? Does it bend?Could we God forbid,break it?

    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.

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    Not bad for starters.

    But listen what this fine young bathhouse goer had to say on the subject of Contemporary American Culture. The year was 1995:


    https://youtu.be/NBzDb8UB8yA?t=49m55s




    And now you can continue with your red pill therapy that should include all-out disallowance of NFLNBAMTVHBOCNNNPRPBSLGBTQIAADLBLMPPGLAADPETANCAAPSPL
    CLARAZAACLUPFAWCAIRAAADC...and any other meaninglessly srambled letters that hate your kind.
    , @Clyde

    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.
     
    I can watch action oriented TV shows with blacks, but as far as movies go I am the same as you. Denzell Washinton is good but Morgan Freeman and some others are a reason to skip it. Too much preening and ego going on which makes for bad acting. Jeffrey Wright is also good. btw This is what Star Wars has come to. The Last Jedi lead actors are a female action figure along with a English dude from Nigeria. And this movie will be raking in a billion or more. Pairing these two is also a subtle promotion of miscegenation.
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  110. OT: I believe this is what economists refer to as “revealed preference”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/12/12/supreme-court-clerks-are-not-a-particularly-diverse-lot

    You might think many elites hate Thomas for his being a Republican, but his real offense is contempt for the Ivy League system.

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  111. @Paul Yarbles
    Maybe there's a darker interpretation. With respect to immigration, "That's not who we are!" really means "We should not be who we are currently!". That is, who we are is the six point whatever billion people who have had the good luck of being born outside the United States and, thus, have a right to live here in the United States.

    Sing it so all can hear: "We are the world!!!"

    Maybe there’s a darker interpretation. With respect to immigration, “That’s not who we are!” really means “We should not be who we are currently!”.

    Well of course. “Anglo-Saxon/European/Christian America – that’s not who we are!”

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  112. America was built by cheap labor.
    Immigrants are the cheapest labor.
    The Uzbek and the Bangladeshi terrorists were both the cheapest labor available.

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  113. @Olorin
    SF mayor and Gavin Newsom appointee Ed Lee died today.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-Mayor-Ed-Lee-dead-at-65-12423708.php


    The Board of Supervisors now will appoint a new mayor if its members can get to six votes — Breed is no longer a supervisor. If no candidate gets that majority support, Breed would continue to serve as mayor until a special election is held in June 2018. The next regularly scheduled mayoral election is in 2019.
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ed-lee-dead-san-fransisco-mayor_us_5a2fb200e4b01598ac47c653

    Lee was best known for his progressive policies on immigration and defending San Francisco as a sanctuary city. He also tried to combat the city’s longstanding homelessness problem with the creation of Navigation Centers, a short-term housing option, and investments in affordable housing programs.

    Lee was also instrumental in raising San Francisco’s minimum wage in 2014, making it the highest in the country at the time.

    Before entering city politics in the 1980s, Lee cut his teeth in San Francisco activism by advocating for the city’s large Chinese-American population. As a lawyer, he famously sued the San Francisco Police Department over height requirements that excluded many Asian-American candidates and sued the San Francisco Fire Department over racial hazing.

    He was also a fierce advocate for residents of the city’s Chinatown, the oldest such neighborhood in the U.S. and one of the largest Chinese enclaves outside China. In 1978, Lee famously went after the city over unlivable conditions at the neighborhood’s Ping Yuen public housing complex and organized a successful rent strike.
     

    Should bored identity take for granted Raymond ‘Shrimp Boy’ Chow’s claims that Bulgarian umbrella is a waaay better bang for the buck than Chinese umbrella?

    And why do you need an umbrella in always sunny dispositioned Baghdad by the Bay ?

    Not even KGB has an answer for Chinese superstitions.

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  114. @Harry Baldwin
    The election of Trump should let Obama know that "who we are" is not who he thinks we are. That alone made me smile when I cast my vote.

    My theory, based mostly on reading at NYT’s site from Canada (we currently are afflicted with someone worse than Obama):

    The elite hope to bring in enough immigrants to give the Dems a permanent majority. Of course they’re not alone: idiot Trudeau is thinking along the same lines and so was Tony Blair.

    So that meant a huge number in a short time. This was to be shoe-horned into a single span of government. Because of the Americans system of multiple power centres in the House of Congress and the Senate, such a window is hard to achieve.

    It’s easier in Canada and the UK because if a party receives a majority in the House of Commons they can do just about anything for 5 years.

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier. It’s going way past mere liberal immigration laws as the crazies start showing themselves.

    I have no explanation for the “not who were are” phrase. I’ve havent heard it in Canada. Was it Bill Clinton who coined it?

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    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party
     
    Third world migrants voting Republican in appreciable numbers is, was and always has been a fever dream of Conservatism, Inc., with no basis in reality.
    , @nebulafox
    Because they count on the Republicans being a bunch of market fetishizing morons who'd open the borders anyway if they were in power to further reward the Job Creators. And they are dead right for the most part, Trump's occasional ideological heresies not withstanding.

    It was Obama who coined it. Bill Clinton's general persona, let alone policies and attitude, would be tolerated in today's Democratic Party about as much as Richard Nixon's would be in today's GOP.

    , @ben tillman

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier.
     
    Their numbers will allow them to take over the left-wing party and make it their own.
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  115. @Svigor

    It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.
     
    One of the left's dirty little secrets is that they depend upon White tribal identity.

    "Whites don't have a tribal identity."
    "We must be racially tolerant."
    "Whites are to be held to high standards of tolerance, enforcing diversity, anti-racism, etc."
    "Non-whites are to be held to lower standards, or no standards at all."
    Etc.

    These are all White Tribal Values. I suspect that the major reason that Whites hold them (relatively) strongly is because they know they are White Tribal Values.

    Destructive, maladaptive, pathological White Tribal Values, of largely alien origin, instilled and enforced by mass media indoctrination from a hostile, alien elite, but White Tribal Values nonetheless.

    The elites are just asking for whites to become tribal themselves. They keep dreaming up new ways to humiliate whites. People won’t put up with that indefinitely.

    Especially if the cherished minority status for whites becomes a fact.

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  116. @Tiny Duck
    white men need to understand the violence they perpetrate. white people, women included, need to understand their privilege and its cost. If you feel uncomfortable because a brown or a female person is expressing their frustration as they begin to emerge from their perception and join the conversation, back up, quiet down, listen, acknowledge, then speak your mind. Perhaps it isn’t joining into the divisive Trumpsterism so much as saying, I want in and I have needs, I don’t know how to express it, but here I am. white folk have much, much, much, to be held accountable for. Men have much to account for. So settle down guys, yes, you are a good guy. It’s a shame that so many of the bad guys have clouded the view and opportunities. But that too is your challenge to overcome.

    People of color have grown ever more tired of being respectful toward racists. They are angry and for many of themthere is no need to hide there feelings about white America, of which you guys a part.

    They have been lied to, beaten and ostracized in their own country and you guys ask why they don't try being nice to their oppressors. whites need to stop telling them how to deal with their problem, we don't have a clue.

    “It’s people like you what causes unrest.”

    – John Cleese

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  117. @Clyde
    Libs, lefties and Democrats have the megaphone. When you control the media megaphone you get to endlessly repeat your buzz words and buzz phrases in order to brainwash the sheeple x people to shift their thinking in your direction. Obama was very aware of this. Chuck Schumer was big on this but has slacked off since he has become minority leader. During the GW Bush presidency Chuck Schumer constantly harped on how X or Y that Republicans proposed was "divisive".

    Democrat and liberal persuaders (lawyers, English majors) are good at with coming up with buzz words but they would be nowhere without the media amplifying their bllshyte. But is this persuasion or is this getting the sheeple x people to react like Pavlov's dogs?

    It’s true the Left has the megaphone…now.

    But there is growing opposition. Take the “skeptic” community on YouTube, devoted to keep pointing how badly things are really going.

    However the Left also has control of the means of electronic communication. So outfits like Google and Twitter have signed on to try to stop it. Google owns YouTube and is getting more and more restrictive. Ditto Twitter.

    Before the internet only wealthy huge corporations could afford mass communication.

    They’re hoping to get back to those halcyon days.

    The Left has also made several strategic errors. One was GamerGate, where makers of video games brought in crazy leftists to advise them on what video game makers needed to do in the new diverse world.

    It was bitterly resented by the majority of players: young men. They got a front row seat on the Culture Wars. Here was a group of people who likely wouldn’t have known what was going on if not for that.

    My son confirms that is how he became aware. My daughter (who like most women wasn’t interested in video games) still has no understanding whatsoever.

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  118. Wouldn’t Emma Lazarus be considered a Founding Mother? Or perhaps a mother-in-law?

    Especially the line “She thinks her advice is the Constitution, but if she would leave that would be the solution.”

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    Yes, I remember that old song. It was popular back in the days of black songwriters who actually wrote songs and set them to music, unlike the 3rd grade level "poetry" backed by synthesized drumbeats that is the modern standard for black music.
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  119. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster
    Pity the very few Polish Catholics left in Hamtramck, MI who must be looking around at all the burkas and saying, "that's not who we are." Apparently "who we are now" in Hamtramck means "little Yemen".

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html

    I ate at a Polish restaurant in Hamtramck today. One of the last 3 or 4 remaining out of the dozens that used to operate there. There are at least as many Bengalis as there are Yemenis. Sad what happened to that city . Even sadder to realize it all could have been avoided if Polish people continued to have large families.

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    I was born in Highland Park, my favorite aunt, as a kid, was married to a polish guy and ww2 vet in Hamtramck , she passed away as a beautiful young lady in the early fifties and their son, my cousin, perished in Viet Nam.
    Hamtramck was famous for polish wurst and pastries.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  121. @Frau Katze
    My theory, based mostly on reading at NYT’s site from Canada (we currently are afflicted with someone worse than Obama):

    The elite hope to bring in enough immigrants to give the Dems a permanent majority. Of course they’re not alone: idiot Trudeau is thinking along the same lines and so was Tony Blair.

    So that meant a huge number in a short time. This was to be shoe-horned into a single span of government. Because of the Americans system of multiple power centres in the House of Congress and the Senate, such a window is hard to achieve.

    It’s easier in Canada and the UK because if a party receives a majority in the House of Commons they can do just about anything for 5 years.

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier. It’s going way past mere liberal immigration laws as the crazies start showing themselves.

    I have no explanation for the “not who were are” phrase. I’ve havent heard it in Canada. Was it Bill Clinton who coined it?

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party

    Third world migrants voting Republican in appreciable numbers is, was and always has been a fever dream of Conservatism, Inc., with no basis in reality.

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    It's not that they will start voting Republican, but rather that they will turn what used to be liberal leftist parties into Islamist parties. And that will be bad news for feminists and gays.
    , @Frau Katze
    It certainly is now a fever dream in the US, as they sense that conservatives oppose their mere existence.

    But I’m going by the situation in BC, Canada (where I live). Despite very large numbers of Chinese and Sikhs from India, the recent provincial elections have gone against the leftist NDP.

    Many of these particular immigrants bought their way in. If an immigrant can put up enough cash to invest in B.C., they can get in. I believe the US has a similar policy, although last time I checked, the US required a higher amount of cash.

    Since they’re investing their money, they want business friendly governments.

    Nor is there as much resistance from the whites already here. Hey, house prices are through the roof. It’s payday for whites who bought years ago. They make a huge profit,

    Also, these well-to-do immigrants are more culturally aligned: they’re not over represented in crime, for example. Also, they’re not Muslims, who are unattractive no matter how much money they have.
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  122. Could you create a thread on the election?

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  123. OT: I’m going to guess the person doing the cooking that caused the Skirball fire is a member of the undocumented community. Diversity strikes again.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/skirt all-fire-cause-illegal-cooking-fire-los-angeles-fire-department/

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  124. @Frau Katze
    My theory, based mostly on reading at NYT’s site from Canada (we currently are afflicted with someone worse than Obama):

    The elite hope to bring in enough immigrants to give the Dems a permanent majority. Of course they’re not alone: idiot Trudeau is thinking along the same lines and so was Tony Blair.

    So that meant a huge number in a short time. This was to be shoe-horned into a single span of government. Because of the Americans system of multiple power centres in the House of Congress and the Senate, such a window is hard to achieve.

    It’s easier in Canada and the UK because if a party receives a majority in the House of Commons they can do just about anything for 5 years.

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier. It’s going way past mere liberal immigration laws as the crazies start showing themselves.

    I have no explanation for the “not who were are” phrase. I’ve havent heard it in Canada. Was it Bill Clinton who coined it?

    Because they count on the Republicans being a bunch of market fetishizing morons who’d open the borders anyway if they were in power to further reward the Job Creators. And they are dead right for the most part, Trump’s occasional ideological heresies not withstanding.

    It was Obama who coined it. Bill Clinton’s general persona, let alone policies and attitude, would be tolerated in today’s Democratic Party about as much as Richard Nixon’s would be in today’s GOP.

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  125. Thanks for your great coverage of the Alabama election.

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  126. @War for Blair Mountain
    In China the Chinese say:”Import thousands of Hindu Legal Immigrants into China’s Engineering Schools?.....That’s not who we are!!!!”


    The Hindus in India say:”Import thousands of Chinese Legal Immigrants into India’s Engineering Schools?...That’s not who we are!!!

    They hate each other.

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  127. OT

    John McWhorter pulls no punches on the GoodWhites who praise TNC Coates as a genius

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  128. @Steve Sailer
    That's the plan.

    That’s the plan.

    Steve, was wondering what you thought of Tiger’s coming out? His back fused now, his swing looked good, too bad about the 75 on Day 3. You buy into a Tiger Comeback III? Fred Couples-worth or better? Fred played a lot of golf and made a lot of cuts since HIS surgeries.

    And now, being from Boston, it’s on to Pittsburgh.

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  129. So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

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    More like Washington Post won, although Moore might have pulled out a small victory if he had any ground game.
    , @Corvinus
    "So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are."

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.
    , @Anon
    The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. They are corrupt, greedy fools.

    Moore's opponent Doug Jones: supports minimum wage increase, targeted tax cuts not tax cuts for the rich, universal healthcare (or at least that's what he's led people to believe), universal minimum income, etc.

    Brietbart is screaming that he's some kind of radical leftist, but their list of evidence basically is a bunch of nothing plus something on abortion (yesterday's news that republicans need to get over).

    Not coincidentally, Brietbart had on their front page earlier today a headline extolling all the great things Trump's foolish tax cut will do for the economy. Brietbart has gone WAY down hill since Trump took office. What an embarrassment.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II. White and rural turnout was way down. That's what happens when your stupid president squanders his presidency doing dumb things like threaten more Middle Eastern wars and lets republicans try to take away your healthcare.

    Unless the GOP jettisons its donor class and embraces economic populism, it is DOA. Trump's approval rating in ALABAMA is barely north of 50%. That should tell you everything you need to know.
    , @Hail

    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.
     
    This one cannot be blamed on recent immigrants. Nonwhite immigrant stock made up low single digits of the the voters, as per Exit Poll.

    It can be blamed on betrayal from the top (the national Republican Party wanted their own candidate to lose), demoralizing/pushing marginal Whites out and Black bloc-voting/turnout.
    , @bored identity
    Now, as GOP bicameral majority goes down the drain - and all Uniparty Membership Holders breath sigh of relief - the only remaining question is for how much longer The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™ will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?

    Last time bored identity checked, it seemed that Bavney Fvank's - who was voted among his peers to be the "brainiest", "funniest", and "most eloquent" member of the House - political career died from natural causes.


    Even Obama's senatorial cakewalk victories were based based on 60% of Sexploitation & 40% of Blaxploitation.
    , @Anonymous
    It would seem to follow as a simple matter of nonpartisan logic that Roy Moore, now or at least for the moment, is not who we are. But I have a feeling that he will be again, in hopes to illustrate that one faction of us are even less who Roy Moore is, than are the lumpen unredeemed, who were actually more like Moore this whole time (even when they temporarily weren't for about a week in December '17 as reward for great justice), precisely b/c that *is* who *they* are. In conclusion we have always been at war with Eastmoorea
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  130. I know one thing we aren’t.

    A country where white pedophiles get elected!

    Thanks to People of Color and women Roy Moore has been defeated

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  131. @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    More like Washington Post won, although Moore might have pulled out a small victory if he had any ground game.

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  132. OT: in other news, Western Civ crashed and burned just a little this evening as Roy Moore is defeated by several women with complaints. No trial, no due process, no nation of laws.

    Personally, I’m starting to feel that it’s not just legal proceedings that take too long, trying someone in the media is taking too long. Isn’t it enough that there is at least one woman in the United States of America who feels that Mr. Moore is a perv? Shouldn’t that be enough to end the political career of any man?

    Well, we knew it wouldn’t be easy. I’m hoping that when the women of congress rear up onto their hind legs and demand his resignation, he’ll tell them how tired we all are of having Democrats attempt to politicize and regulate every aspect of human life, right down to the relationships between men and women.

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  133. OT
    Now, as GOP bicameral majority goes down the drain – and all Uniparty Membership Holders breath sigh of relief – the only remaining question is for how much longer The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™ will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?

    Last time bored identity checked, it seemed that Bavney Fvank’s – who was voted among his peers to be the “brainiest”, “funniest”, and “most eloquent” member of the House – political career died from natural reasons.

    Even Obama’s senatorial cakewalk victories were based based on 60% of Sexploitation & 40% of Blaxploitation.

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    "The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™..."

    You mean Jews or European whites?

    "will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?"

    There is nothing arbitrary about sex crimes. What you meant to say were accusations of sex crimes.
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  134. @bgates
    It's an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here - and if you don't think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.

    Why is it important to be who we are? It must be that identity is important. And what is our identity, in this telling? We don't really have one. We are a welcome mat for Bangladesh.

    It's infuriating how good Democrats are at insisting on contradictions. We must always be who we are, and that requires fundamental transformation. Change! Always change - but always the same change.

    “It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.”

    Perhaps you would be smitten with Vox Day, who laments how “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    Basically, three-fourths of today’s Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not “true Americans”. You have to back? Not quite. You have but one bullet left in the chamber to counter Day’s rhetorical firing–”that’s not who we are”.

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    Diversity has a long track record of success worldwide. No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you'll still find them all in the history books. And if any of that did happen somewhere, we'll be different.
    , @Anon
    "Basically, three-fourths of today’s Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not “true Americans”. You have to back?"

    The problem with lines is that they have to be drawn somewhere. Nations that lack them tend not to stay nations for very long. That should be obvious, even to the dimwitted, but I guess not all of us read books or have common sense. You'd think that watching the Spanish government illegally crack down on a Catalonian independence movement that received a large majority of the vote would convince most that people tend to like being distinct, even in first world countries, and increasing such distinctness might ultimately lead to trouble.
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  135. @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    “So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.”

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.

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    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election.
     
    Actually he was. The amount of coverage he received for what amounted to dubious accusations probably cost him the election.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.
     
    Is that what you think? Gee. You're really stupid. That is - of course - not news.
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  136. @Corvinus
    "So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are."

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election.

    Actually he was. The amount of coverage he received for what amounted to dubious accusations probably cost him the election.

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  137. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. They are corrupt, greedy fools.

    Moore’s opponent Doug Jones: supports minimum wage increase, targeted tax cuts not tax cuts for the rich, universal healthcare (or at least that’s what he’s led people to believe), universal minimum income, etc.

    Brietbart is screaming that he’s some kind of radical leftist, but their list of evidence basically is a bunch of nothing plus something on abortion (yesterday’s news that republicans need to get over).

    Not coincidentally, Brietbart had on their front page earlier today a headline extolling all the great things Trump’s foolish tax cut will do for the economy. Brietbart has gone WAY down hill since Trump took office. What an embarrassment.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II. White and rural turnout was way down. That’s what happens when your stupid president squanders his presidency doing dumb things like threaten more Middle Eastern wars and lets republicans try to take away your healthcare.

    Unless the GOP jettisons its donor class and embraces economic populism, it is DOA. Trump’s approval rating in ALABAMA is barely north of 50%. That should tell you everything you need to know.

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    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II.
     
    Yes, that’s the big problem.
    , @dr kill
    Trump is many things, but he's not stupid. I see this as much his loss as Moore. I expect to see a wall well-started before the next national elections.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. "

    That has always been a feature of the republican party. They have always, from the first decade of their existence, pretended to be for or against whatever they had to pretend in order to get the votes. All they've ever had to abandon after an election is their rhetoric.
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  138. RE: who we are,

    Matt Yglesias has some thoughts on the topic:

    Washington and his fellow founders could have established America as a kind of exclusive club.

    Man, Jews* really are obsessed with WASPs keeping them out of their country clubs….

    And, Matty dear boy, they did establish it as a kind of exclusive club:

    The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians although free blacks were allowed citizenship at the state level in certain states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    The main sources of immigration — and the main occupations likely to employ immigrants — have changed over time, but the story has been the same from the beginning.

    So, yeah, immigrants are immigrants: Ashkenazi Jews, Germans , Japanese, Middle Eastern Muslims, Latinx Mestizos…..six of one, half a dozen of the other….I mean, only a bigot would think otherwise….

    Those findings are not immigration-specific, but the beginning of wisdom on immigration policy is that immigrants are people.

    Bet you bigots out there in bigotland didn’t realize that, did ya?

    And, indeed, when you take the foreigner element out of it, most people correctly grasp that depopulation is not an economic growth strategy.

    MMM, gotta try that one out on Tibetans….

    If a bunch of new monolingual Spanish-speaking construction laborers move to town, in other words, that probably is bad news for the monolingual Spanish-speaking construction laborers — mostly immigrants — who are already there. But the presence of those laborers in town will create job opportunities for people to manage them, likely native-born workers who speak English.

    See, Latinx immigrants offer you flyover rubes a chance to straw-boss a work-crew of docile Mestizos and Amerinds…..and don’t bother your pretty little heads about the second generation….

    But as Bianca Bersani of the University of Massachusetts has shown, on a year-by-year basis, young immigrants are much less likely to be involved in criminal activity. Indeed, the great trajectory of immigration and crime is that second-generation youth — kids whose parents were born abroad — largely assimilate to US behavior norms rather than maintaining the better behavior of their foreign-born parents.

    See, bigots, it’s the second generation that you’ve got to worry about….wait, that didn’t come out right….

    “Born and socialized in the U.S. mainstream,” Bersani writes, “second-generation immigrants are simply native-born youth.”

    Yeah, that’s the ticket….

    Immigration-skeptical experts are rare and eccentric
    No issue in economics is entirely unanimous, and because immigration is a contentious issue in partisan politics, it sometimes leads the media to overplay the extent of expert disagreement about the economics of immigration. Consequently, the work of George Borjas, a Harvard Kennedy School professor who has produced the bulk of the research dissenting from the optimistic consensus, tends to play an outsize role in the media landscape.

    But don’t worry about him, he’s rare and eccentric….You don’t wanna be like him, do ya? You wanna be like me, common and normal…

    By comparing wage trends in high-exposure, low-exposure, and no-exposure states, they were able to show that kicking out the guest workers had no real impact on farm wages.

    That doesn’t mean the laws of supply and demand were magically repealed. It means that landowners changed their strategy. For some crops, like tomatoes and sugar beets, producers were able to switch to more mechanical harvesting techniques — compromising on quality in the case of tomatoes.

    See, loss of quality if you use machines…so don’t even think about that option…

    This same variety impact exists on the retail and service side of the economy as well. If you visit a place with few immigrants from Mexico — France or Fargo or what have you — you don’t find that taqueria workers are earning vastly more money than their counterparts in Texas. You find that there are few good places to buy tacos.

    You have no idea how bad things are in France, having to endure low quality tacos…..

    Peri and co-author Gianmarco Ottaviano find that the value of increased cultural diversity of this sort can be partially measured through higher housing values in more diverse cities — people are willing to pay more for the amenity value of ethnic food — but will miss the extent to which a nationally rising tide lifts all boats.

    See, bigots, people don’t move to new locations because of booming economies….No, they move because of the greater availability of ethnic restaurants…

    This “merit” language is, for starters, an incredibly offensive and reductive way to think about human beings. Indeed, one suspects that Trumpniks would be the first to object if I were to refer to the Republican Party’s base of whites without college degrees as lacking “merit.”

    Of course, they are lacking in merit….I mean, they didn’t go to Harvard (cough)….

    Last but by no means least, even “unskilled” immigrants serve to increase the supply of skilled labor through their work in the household sector. Patricia Cortes and Jose Tessada find that cities with larger numbers of less skilled immigrants see higher labor force participation and more hours worked by highly skilled women, who hire more hours per week of maids, nannies, and cooks, allowing them to shift their labor efforts out of unpaid home production and into market work.

    Look, we all recall how awful the servant shortage was back in the ’50s, right? I mean, just watch an episode of Leave it to Beaver….poor Mrs Cleaver didn’t have a single maid…

    These enormous benefits matter in part because foreigners are still human beings whose lives and interests ought to count for something in our calculus.

    Gotta try that on the Israelis….

    Last but by no means least, while it’s certainly true that Americans care about the average well-being of American citizens, we also care about something else — greatness, for lack of a better word.

    In per capita income terms, the United States has, by most measures, been overtaken by Switzerland. The Netherlands is relatively close behind, and when you consider inequality and quality of public services, the typical Dutch person may well enjoy a higher standard of living than the typical American. This kind of thing matters. But at the same time, there is a reason that when Americans feel anxiety about national decline, they tend to think of China and not Switzerland. The Netherlands is a great place to live, but it hasn’t been a great nation since the early 17th century.

    Forget about per capita quality of life, bigot….that’s hippy-dippy bs….I’m talking about GLOBAL POWER PROJECTION…

    If Americans had listened to the counsel of the Know-Nothing movement in the 1850s and drastically curtailed immigration from outside of Protestant Europe, it would probably still be a rich country today. But it would be a very different kind of rich country from the one we know

    Yeah, bigots…why the population of the USA might only be 200 million, instead of 326,326,020…

    It’s true, of course, that an America that continues to be open to immigrants will be a progressively less white and less Christian country over time. That’s a threatening prospect to many white Christian Americans, who implicitly identify the country in ethnic and sectarian terms.

    I, on the other hand, eagerly look forward to the extinction of White Christian America (damn bigots, blackball my grandfather will ya! You’ll get yours!) And, uh, don’t worry about that little polar bear hunting episode that I experienced a while back….I’m sure that that was a fluke of some kind…

    That hundreds of millions of people around the world would like to move to our shores — and that America has a long tradition of assimilating foreigners and a political mythos and civil culture that is conducive to doing so — is an enormous source of national strength.

    OPEN BORDERS NOW! Just imagine how powerful we’ll be if we let in 2 or 3 hundred million Black Africans….

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/3/14624918/the-case-for-immigration

    *

    Yglesias’s father Rafael Yglesias is a screenwriter and novelist. His paternal grandparents were novelists Jose Yglesias and Helen Yglesias (née Bassine). His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.[3]

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  139. @benjaminl
    OT

    John McWhorter pulls no punches on the GoodWhites who praise TNC Coates as a genius

    https://twitter.com/bloggingheads/status/940752745245696002

    You gotta feel sorry for McWhorter…having to listen to SWPLs constantly proclaim the genius of Ta-Nehisi Coates …..

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    You who? I sure as hell don't gotta.

    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he's still a race man.

    I think it's hilarious that Genius T. Coates is better known than he is.

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  140. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship."

    Perhaps you would be smitten with Vox Day, who laments how “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    Basically, three-fourths of today's Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not "true Americans". You have to back? Not quite. You have but one bullet left in the chamber to counter Day's rhetorical firing--"that's not who we are".

    Diversity has a long track record of success worldwide. No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you’ll still find them all in the history books. And if any of that did happen somewhere, we’ll be different.

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    "No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you’ll still find them all in the history books."

    No wars were ever won over it, no countries ever created because of it, or first world countries becoming stronger as a result of it, or foreign lobbies were rebuffed by their former members, nor strife ever subsided because of it, and no empire arose due to it--the prime example being Great Britain, who arose from Britons, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, and a host of other foreign cultures.

    Right back at you.
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  141. @Svigor

    It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship.
     
    One of the left's dirty little secrets is that they depend upon White tribal identity.

    "Whites don't have a tribal identity."
    "We must be racially tolerant."
    "Whites are to be held to high standards of tolerance, enforcing diversity, anti-racism, etc."
    "Non-whites are to be held to lower standards, or no standards at all."
    Etc.

    These are all White Tribal Values. I suspect that the major reason that Whites hold them (relatively) strongly is because they know they are White Tribal Values.

    Destructive, maladaptive, pathological White Tribal Values, of largely alien origin, instilled and enforced by mass media indoctrination from a hostile, alien elite, but White Tribal Values nonetheless.

    Many Northern European Whites are addicted to goodthinking. Most other peoples of the world have tolerance, but reasonable negative response to excessive goodthinking. A trait that was useful at a level of population density two or three orders of magnitude lower than today is destructive now. Yet Americans continue to believe that importing huge numbers of peoples who have great desire to take advantage of the high trust market created by the goodthinkers, but little understanding or interest in the moral foundation required to sustain the market, will all work out in the end. The information regarding likely outcomes is free and available, yet the destructive behavior persists. The expected payout to goodthinkers is strongly negative in the long run, and typically negligible in the short run, yet goodthinkers gain evermore enthusiasm to pursue their faith and signal their commitment to their own replacement. It is the behavior of peoples who have lost their meaning.

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  142. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity. All are welcome here – and if you don’t think so, get out, hater. Iconoclasm disguised as ancestor worship."

    Perhaps you would be smitten with Vox Day, who laments how “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    Basically, three-fourths of today's Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not "true Americans". You have to back? Not quite. You have but one bullet left in the chamber to counter Day's rhetorical firing--"that's not who we are".

    “Basically, three-fourths of today’s Americans, the bulwark of the readership on this fine blog, are not “true Americans”. You have to back?”

    The problem with lines is that they have to be drawn somewhere. Nations that lack them tend not to stay nations for very long. That should be obvious, even to the dimwitted, but I guess not all of us read books or have common sense. You’d think that watching the Spanish government illegally crack down on a Catalonian independence movement that received a large majority of the vote would convince most that people tend to like being distinct, even in first world countries, and increasing such distinctness might ultimately lead to trouble.

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  143. @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    This one cannot be blamed on recent immigrants. Nonwhite immigrant stock made up low single digits of the the voters, as per Exit Poll.

    It can be blamed on betrayal from the top (the national Republican Party wanted their own candidate to lose), demoralizing/pushing marginal Whites out and Black bloc-voting/turnout.

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    "It can be blamed on betrayal from the top (the national Republican Party wanted their own candidate to lose)"

    It's more than that. Trump has squandered his presidency sucking up to the GOP donor class, just as many predicted he would do when his cabinet picks came to light. Tax cuts for the rich, more wars, threats of wars, trying to repeal the ACA with no viable replacement - not popular. What happened to renegotiating NAFTA? What happened to minding our business in Syria? Now Tillerson is calling for Assad to go.
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  144. @Anon
    ie nerdy and masculine

    Nerdy and Sturdy, or Sterdy.

    Love it. That needs to be translated into Latin and put it on some sort of crest or seal.

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  145. @Hunsdon
    The very dilemma of NPR: sneering leftist platitudes, yes, but at least they spend more than twenty seconds on a story.

    The very dilemma of NPR: sneering leftist platitudes, yes, but at least they spend more than twenty seconds on a story.

    Their bias lies not merely in how they report a story, but in what stories they bother to report.

    All Things Considered doesn’t really consider all things, not even all important things.

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  146. @Corvinus
    "So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are."

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.

    Of course we all know he was cheated out of the election. You know, with those foreign ringers and them darkies being driven from out of state to pull the lever, first at the polls and then at the casino as their reward. A full investigation is thus warranted to investigate widespread voter fraud.

    Is that what you think? Gee. You’re really stupid. That is – of course – not news.

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  147. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.
     
    This one cannot be blamed on recent immigrants. Nonwhite immigrant stock made up low single digits of the the voters, as per Exit Poll.

    It can be blamed on betrayal from the top (the national Republican Party wanted their own candidate to lose), demoralizing/pushing marginal Whites out and Black bloc-voting/turnout.

    “It can be blamed on betrayal from the top (the national Republican Party wanted their own candidate to lose)”

    It’s more than that. Trump has squandered his presidency sucking up to the GOP donor class, just as many predicted he would do when his cabinet picks came to light. Tax cuts for the rich, more wars, threats of wars, trying to repeal the ACA with no viable replacement – not popular. What happened to renegotiating NAFTA? What happened to minding our business in Syria? Now Tillerson is calling for Assad to go.

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  148. @syonredux
    You gotta feel sorry for McWhorter...having to listen to SWPLs constantly proclaim the genius of Ta-Nehisi Coates .....

    You who? I sure as hell don’t gotta.

    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he’s still a race man.

    I think it’s hilarious that Genius T. Coates is better known than he is.

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    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he’s still a race man.
     
    Dunno. Brighter guy means that fewer lumpengentsia types will actually read him.
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  149. @Kylie
    You who? I sure as hell don't gotta.

    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he's still a race man.

    I think it's hilarious that Genius T. Coates is better known than he is.

    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he’s still a race man.

    Dunno. Brighter guy means that fewer lumpengentsia types will actually read him.

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    True. But that won't keep them from pointing him out as one of the "good" blacks. He doesn't need to be read to be dangerous. It's not his ideas that make him so, it's his image as an educated black man. White people see that and in their minds, the educated overrides the black.
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  150. @War for Blair Mountain
    In China the Chinese say:”Import thousands of Hindu Legal Immigrants into China’s Engineering Schools?.....That’s not who we are!!!!”


    The Hindus in India say:”Import thousands of Chinese Legal Immigrants into India’s Engineering Schools?...That’s not who we are!!!

    Which is slightly ironic in that a grilled cheese sandwich could graduate from an Indian or Chinese “engineering school.”

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    In Middle-Eastern med schools the cheese sandwich isn't even grilled. Only the goat gynecology class is ever well-attended.
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  151. @Kylie
    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.

    Not bad for starters.

    But listen what this fine young bathhouse goer had to say on the subject of Contemporary American Culture. The year was 1995:

    And now you can continue with your red pill therapy that should include all-out disallowance of NFLNBAMTVHBOCNNNPRPBSLGBTQIAADLBLMPPGLAADPETANCAAPSPL
    CLARAZAACLUPFAWCAIRAAADC…and any other meaninglessly srambled letters that hate your kind.

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  152. OT

    Illinois Drives People Away — The taxpayer migration continues from the Land of Ever Higher Taxes

    The Prairie State lost a record $4.75 billion in adjusted gross income to other states in the 2015 tax year, according to recently IRS data released. That’s up from $3.4 billion in the prior year. Many of the migrants were retirees who often flock to balmier climes. But millennials accounted for more than a third of the net outflow in tax returns…Taxes may increase as Democrats scrounge for cash to pay for pensions. Fitch Ratings reported this week that Illinois’s unfunded pension liabilities equalled 22.8% of residents’ personal income last year, compared to a median of 3.1% across all states and 1% in Florida.

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    "Many of the migrants were retirees who often flock to balmier climes."

    Translation to ForbidEnglish :


    " Many of the elderly,well-to-do whitees who often flock to balmier climes...with no gunpowder air polution."



    BTW, Mr.Editorial Board, how many of these migrants are regular vanilla, and how many of them are Rahm's Brethren in Arms who likes cheap labor, but hates high taxes?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/chef-rossi/why-jews-go-to-florida_b_6431532.html
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  153. @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    Now, as GOP bicameral majority goes down the drain – and all Uniparty Membership Holders breath sigh of relief – the only remaining question is for how much longer The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™ will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?

    Last time bored identity checked, it seemed that Bavney Fvank’s – who was voted among his peers to be the “brainiest”, “funniest”, and “most eloquent” member of the House – political career died from natural causes.

    Even Obama’s senatorial cakewalk victories were based based on 60% of Sexploitation & 40% of Blaxploitation.

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    Addendum:

    Before he became a speech writer for Eugene McCarthy, and before he won an Oscar in 1972 for Best Original Screenplay, Jeremy Larner used to hang around with a whole bunch of Echo-chambering Patriots-such as Herbert Marcuse, Irving Howe, Philip Rahv, and Abbie Hoffman....

    "In April 1971, Larner wrote a documentary-style script for a feature film-The Candidate, that was directed by Michael Ritchie and starring Robert Redford about a campaign for Senator of California.

    The Candidate was released during the election of 1972, and was critically acclaimed; the film holds a score of 95% on Rotten Tomatoes based on eighteen critical reviews."

    bored identity does not have any reason to doubt Larner's keen prowess in depicting salacious moments that occured during politicical campaign routine in late 60's.

    Therefore, bored identity learned there was a time when the young wimmin of quite questionable age would cheerfully offer democratic senatorial candidates to grab them by the...badge:

    https://youtu.be/F4EbDtMD9hM?t=1h24m22s

    McKay!!!
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  154. @syonredux

    McWhorter is a bright, educated black man. That makes him more dangerous, not less, because au fond, he’s still a race man.
     
    Dunno. Brighter guy means that fewer lumpengentsia types will actually read him.

    True. But that won’t keep them from pointing him out as one of the “good” blacks. He doesn’t need to be read to be dangerous. It’s not his ideas that make him so, it’s his image as an educated black man. White people see that and in their minds, the educated overrides the black.

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    True. But that won’t keep them from pointing him out as one of the “good” blacks. He doesn’t need to be read to be dangerous. It’s not his ideas that make him so, it’s his image as an educated black man. White people see that and in their minds, the educated overrides the black.
     
    Dunno. Aren't Blacks like McWhorter officially un-WOKE....
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  155. @Tiny Duck
    white men need to understand the violence they perpetrate. white people, women included, need to understand their privilege and its cost. If you feel uncomfortable because a brown or a female person is expressing their frustration as they begin to emerge from their perception and join the conversation, back up, quiet down, listen, acknowledge, then speak your mind. Perhaps it isn’t joining into the divisive Trumpsterism so much as saying, I want in and I have needs, I don’t know how to express it, but here I am. white folk have much, much, much, to be held accountable for. Men have much to account for. So settle down guys, yes, you are a good guy. It’s a shame that so many of the bad guys have clouded the view and opportunities. But that too is your challenge to overcome.

    People of color have grown ever more tired of being respectful toward racists. They are angry and for many of themthere is no need to hide there feelings about white America, of which you guys a part.

    They have been lied to, beaten and ostracized in their own country and you guys ask why they don't try being nice to their oppressors. whites need to stop telling them how to deal with their problem, we don't have a clue.

    Whatever you’re smoking, please share it with the rest of the class.

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  156. @Luke Lea
    Possible Trump slogan: This is who we are.

    Trump does not need a slogan or to spend any more time jousting with the media; he has already wasted enough time with that; he has subordinates — so far he is too busy with all that plus Being President to actually do anything meaningful.

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    Trump's tweets have so far done nothing except galvanize Democrats to turn out and vote while letting Mitch and Paul write a plutocratic tax cut. I hope this is a wake up call.
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  157. @eah
    OT

    Illinois Drives People Away -- The taxpayer migration continues from the Land of Ever Higher Taxes

    The Prairie State lost a record $4.75 billion in adjusted gross income to other states in the 2015 tax year, according to recently IRS data released. That’s up from $3.4 billion in the prior year. Many of the migrants were retirees who often flock to balmier climes. But millennials accounted for more than a third of the net outflow in tax returns...Taxes may increase as Democrats scrounge for cash to pay for pensions. Fitch Ratings reported this week that Illinois’s unfunded pension liabilities equalled 22.8% of residents’ personal income last year, compared to a median of 3.1% across all states and 1% in Florida.
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  158. @Kylie
    True. But that won't keep them from pointing him out as one of the "good" blacks. He doesn't need to be read to be dangerous. It's not his ideas that make him so, it's his image as an educated black man. White people see that and in their minds, the educated overrides the black.

    True. But that won’t keep them from pointing him out as one of the “good” blacks. He doesn’t need to be read to be dangerous. It’s not his ideas that make him so, it’s his image as an educated black man. White people see that and in their minds, the educated overrides the black.

    Dunno. Aren’t Blacks like McWhorter officially un-WOKE….

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  159. @eah
    Trump does not need a slogan or to spend any more time jousting with the media; he has already wasted enough time with that; he has subordinates -- so far he is too busy with all that plus Being President to actually do anything meaningful.

    Trump’s tweets have so far done nothing except galvanize Democrats to turn out and vote while letting Mitch and Paul write a plutocratic tax cut. I hope this is a wake up call.

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    Richard Spencer is the one galvanizing people to get out and vote Democrat.
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  160. @Harry Baldwin
    The election of Trump should let Obama know that "who we are" is not who he thinks we are. That alone made me smile when I cast my vote.

    Come now, Harry. Don’t you think you’re being just a leetle bit arrogant?

    I mean, don’t you realize that Obama knows “who we are” better than we do?

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  161. @Autochthon
    The thing is, real women are now as they always have been completely on board with the idea of men's work and women's work and their complementary nature.

    You will never see a woman washing the family car on a Sunday morning, that is mens work

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    Go to church on Sunday morning. Wash the car on Saturday.

    I take my car to a car wash every so often. It's close to 100% males who work there, but the few women that I have seen are the ones who are cleaning the interior of the cars. Just like in regular homes: the wife does mostly house work and the husband does mostly yard (the nasty, difficult parts) work.
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  162. @Anonymous
    This is as old as the Civil War. I'm always reminded of the story of the U.S. officer with heavy German accent lecturing a group of Confederate prisoners (whose grandparents founded the country) on what "America" really means.

    Cite?

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  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    TNWWA is a shibboleth of the 1960s legalistic class kampf begetting the Civilrightstarianism religion which, you may have noticed, is the dominant faith of the current-year West. The “we” is not from the inclusive/persuasive school of rhetoric via generalities (e.g. “We the people”)–in TNWWA form it very much implies bien-pensant we over redneck they. And its OK to TNWWA it up in front of the rednecks since those are prob illiterate/borderline anyhow. Stop fussing and struggling w/ TNWWA as if it harbored the sentiment of a country parson’s philanthropic exhortation to come together and unify our spiritual yearnings in furtherance of assorted marvy nirvana objectives– the whole point of it is rallying cognitive-whitelib We to delegitimate deplorable Non-We. Actually it’s straight-up “Screw the hicks, what do they matter anyway”; etc.

    During an otherwise-good NYT recap of the special election I lol’d at this patronizing bit attributed to Mr. Jones, the luckiest Democrat pol alive:

    …Mr. Jones held up his victory as a message to Washington from voters fed up with political warfare. For once, he said, Alabama had declined to take “the wrong fork” at a political crossroads.

    Yesirree bob, FOR ONCE Alabam’ be larnin’! Thank you, Sen.-elect Jesus! Ya know who we ain’t? LOSERS (for once)! Cue the Luther-Strange new respect for the rights of Non-We who, to quote the genie from “Aladdin,” *CAN* be taught!

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    Doug Jones, Pride of the Yankees
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  164. @Berty
    Trump's tweets have so far done nothing except galvanize Democrats to turn out and vote while letting Mitch and Paul write a plutocratic tax cut. I hope this is a wake up call.

    Richard Spencer is the one galvanizing people to get out and vote Democrat.

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  165. @eah
    OT

    Illinois Drives People Away -- The taxpayer migration continues from the Land of Ever Higher Taxes

    The Prairie State lost a record $4.75 billion in adjusted gross income to other states in the 2015 tax year, according to recently IRS data released. That’s up from $3.4 billion in the prior year. Many of the migrants were retirees who often flock to balmier climes. But millennials accounted for more than a third of the net outflow in tax returns...Taxes may increase as Democrats scrounge for cash to pay for pensions. Fitch Ratings reported this week that Illinois’s unfunded pension liabilities equalled 22.8% of residents’ personal income last year, compared to a median of 3.1% across all states and 1% in Florida.

    “Many of the migrants were retirees who often flock to balmier climes.”

    Translation to ForbidEnglish :

    ” Many of the elderly,well-to-do whitees who often flock to balmier climes…with no gunpowder air polution.”

    BTW, Mr.Editorial Board, how many of these migrants are regular vanilla, and how many of them are Rahm’s Brethren in Arms who likes cheap labor, but hates high taxes?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/chef-rossi/why-jews-go-to-florida_b_6431532.html

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  166. White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don’t tolerate White beta males.

    That’s the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

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    You aren't even trying anymore. That's the lowest energy bait I've ever seen from you.
    , @Corvinus
    "White women don’t tolerate White beta males."

    It's actually women who don't tolerate you. All in a day's work for your cottage industry known as the social-sexual hierarchy.
    , @27 year old
    >White women turned against Moore

    Whiskey, just because women hate you, doesn't mean they hate all White men.

    Exit polls showing Moore won White women with college 55-45 and without college 65-35.
    , @Mr. Anon

    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive.
     
    Whereas Doug Jones is often mistaken for Brad Pitt?

    Doug Jones looks kinda like Lindsey Graham - soft and doughy.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Have you seen footage of Moore pretending to ride that poor little horse? As soon as the real rednecks saw what a phony he was, he lost their vote. All hat and no cattle.
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  167. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Magarac

    “the moral arc of the universe”
     
    A trope snagged from Martin Luther King, but probably not original with him.

    If Michael King ever had as much as a single original thought, history never recorded it.

    That is what is so “amazing” to the racially unconscious, indeed, even to those who know the score since blacks of some stature usually have some, minor, individual thoughts that provide occasional levity. This guy was singularly unoriginal.

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  168. @Anon
    The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. They are corrupt, greedy fools.

    Moore's opponent Doug Jones: supports minimum wage increase, targeted tax cuts not tax cuts for the rich, universal healthcare (or at least that's what he's led people to believe), universal minimum income, etc.

    Brietbart is screaming that he's some kind of radical leftist, but their list of evidence basically is a bunch of nothing plus something on abortion (yesterday's news that republicans need to get over).

    Not coincidentally, Brietbart had on their front page earlier today a headline extolling all the great things Trump's foolish tax cut will do for the economy. Brietbart has gone WAY down hill since Trump took office. What an embarrassment.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II. White and rural turnout was way down. That's what happens when your stupid president squanders his presidency doing dumb things like threaten more Middle Eastern wars and lets republicans try to take away your healthcare.

    Unless the GOP jettisons its donor class and embraces economic populism, it is DOA. Trump's approval rating in ALABAMA is barely north of 50%. That should tell you everything you need to know.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II.

    Yes, that’s the big problem.

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  169. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    So Roy Moore lost. He’s not who we are.

    It would seem to follow as a simple matter of nonpartisan logic that Roy Moore, now or at least for the moment, is not who we are. But I have a feeling that he will be again, in hopes to illustrate that one faction of us are even less who Roy Moore is, than are the lumpen unredeemed, who were actually more like Moore this whole time (even when they temporarily weren’t for about a week in December ’17 as reward for great justice), precisely b/c that *is* who *they* are. In conclusion we have always been at war with Eastmoorea

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    Huh?

    Sprechen Sie Englisch?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.
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  170. @Anonymous
    TNWWA is a shibboleth of the 1960s legalistic class kampf begetting the Civilrightstarianism religion which, you may have noticed, is the dominant faith of the current-year West. The "we" is not from the inclusive/persuasive school of rhetoric via generalities (e.g. "We the people")--in TNWWA form it very much implies bien-pensant we over redneck they. And its OK to TNWWA it up in front of the rednecks since those are prob illiterate/borderline anyhow. Stop fussing and struggling w/ TNWWA as if it harbored the sentiment of a country parson's philanthropic exhortation to come together and unify our spiritual yearnings in furtherance of assorted marvy nirvana objectives-- the whole point of it is rallying cognitive-whitelib We to delegitimate deplorable Non-We. Actually it's straight-up "Screw the hicks, what do they matter anyway"; etc.

    During an otherwise-good NYT recap of the special election I lol'd at this patronizing bit attributed to Mr. Jones, the luckiest Democrat pol alive:


    ...Mr. Jones held up his victory as a message to Washington from voters fed up with political warfare. For once, he said, Alabama had declined to take “the wrong fork” at a political crossroads.
     
    Yesirree bob, FOR ONCE Alabam' be larnin'! Thank you, Sen.-elect Jesus! Ya know who we ain't? LOSERS (for once)! Cue the Luther-Strange new respect for the rights of Non-We who, to quote the genie from "Aladdin," *CAN* be taught!

    Doug Jones, Pride of the Yankees

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  171. Don’t forget Goodwhite Pioneer-Hero #1* Stanley Ann Dunham’s refusal to schmooze with the American businessmen in Indonesia– that are not who she wuz!

    *(except possibly in her son’s eyes of course)

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  172. GOP has a turnout problem. Moore was poor candidate, much like that Virginia fella, but the failure to do much with two majorities hurts.

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    but the failure to do much with two majorities hurts.

    "Do". What do you recommend that the party do or should have done? Repeal Obamacare? Pass this tax bill?

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  173. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sarah Toga
    Surprising to read there was public housing for . . . Chinese? I thought that demographic was more capable than that. More to that story?

    20 or so years ago there was a very brief “scandal” where a woman of Chinese heritage pointed out that the local San Francisco Chinese language newspapers had advertisements from immigration attorneys offering to show the more affluent Chinese immigrants how to bring over their parents and get them on welfare. As I recall the kids just had to sponsor them for six months and then abandon them to the us tax payer’s care (thus the public housing). The story disappeared almost as fast as Feinstein’s MilCon war profiteering revelations.

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  174. @Kylie
    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.

    I no longer watch TV shows or movies featuring blacks. There is always an agenda underlying them that is reprllent to me.

    I can watch action oriented TV shows with blacks, but as far as movies go I am the same as you. Denzell Washinton is good but Morgan Freeman and some others are a reason to skip it. Too much preening and ego going on which makes for bad acting. Jeffrey Wright is also good. btw This is what Star Wars has come to. The Last Jedi lead actors are a female action figure along with a English dude from Nigeria. And this movie will be raking in a billion or more. Pairing these two is also a subtle promotion of miscegenation.

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  175. @Anon
    The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. They are corrupt, greedy fools.

    Moore's opponent Doug Jones: supports minimum wage increase, targeted tax cuts not tax cuts for the rich, universal healthcare (or at least that's what he's led people to believe), universal minimum income, etc.

    Brietbart is screaming that he's some kind of radical leftist, but their list of evidence basically is a bunch of nothing plus something on abortion (yesterday's news that republicans need to get over).

    Not coincidentally, Brietbart had on their front page earlier today a headline extolling all the great things Trump's foolish tax cut will do for the economy. Brietbart has gone WAY down hill since Trump took office. What an embarrassment.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II. White and rural turnout was way down. That's what happens when your stupid president squanders his presidency doing dumb things like threaten more Middle Eastern wars and lets republicans try to take away your healthcare.

    Unless the GOP jettisons its donor class and embraces economic populism, it is DOA. Trump's approval rating in ALABAMA is barely north of 50%. That should tell you everything you need to know.

    Trump is many things, but he’s not stupid. I see this as much his loss as Moore. I expect to see a wall well-started before the next national elections.

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  176. @snorlax
    Which is slightly ironic in that a grilled cheese sandwich could graduate from an Indian or Chinese "engineering school."

    In Middle-Eastern med schools the cheese sandwich isn’t even grilled. Only the goat gynecology class is ever well-attended.

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  177. @bored identity
    Now, as GOP bicameral majority goes down the drain - and all Uniparty Membership Holders breath sigh of relief - the only remaining question is for how much longer The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™ will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?

    Last time bored identity checked, it seemed that Bavney Fvank's - who was voted among his peers to be the "brainiest", "funniest", and "most eloquent" member of the House - political career died from natural causes.


    Even Obama's senatorial cakewalk victories were based based on 60% of Sexploitation & 40% of Blaxploitation.

    Addendum:

    Before he became a speech writer for Eugene McCarthy, and before he won an Oscar in 1972 for Best Original Screenplay, Jeremy Larner used to hang around with a whole bunch of Echo-chambering Patriots-such as Herbert Marcuse, Irving Howe, Philip Rahv, and Abbie Hoffman….

    “In April 1971, Larner wrote a documentary-style script for a feature film-The Candidate, that was directed by Michael Ritchie and starring Robert Redford about a campaign for Senator of California.

    The Candidate was released during the election of 1972, and was critically acclaimed; the film holds a score of 95% on Rotten Tomatoes based on eighteen critical reviews.”

    bored identity does not have any reason to doubt Larner’s keen prowess in depicting salacious moments that occured during politicical campaign routine in late 60′s.

    Therefore, bored identity learned there was a time when the young wimmin of quite questionable age would cheerfully offer democratic senatorial candidates to grab them by the…badge:

    McKay!!!

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  178. @Whiskey
    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don't tolerate White beta males.

    That's the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

    You aren’t even trying anymore. That’s the lowest energy bait I’ve ever seen from you.

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  179. @LondonBob
    GOP has a turnout problem. Moore was poor candidate, much like that Virginia fella, but the failure to do much with two majorities hurts.

    but the failure to do much with two majorities hurts.

    “Do”. What do you recommend that the party do or should have done? Repeal Obamacare? Pass this tax bill?

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  180. @bored identity
    OT
    Now, as GOP bicameral majority goes down the drain - and all Uniparty Membership Holders breath sigh of relief - the only remaining question is for how much longer The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™ will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?

    Last time bored identity checked, it seemed that Bavney Fvank's - who was voted among his peers to be the "brainiest", "funniest", and "most eloquent" member of the House - political career died from natural reasons.


    Even Obama's senatorial cakewalk victories were based based on 60% of Sexploitation & 40% of Blaxploitation.

    “The Most Deviant Tribe In A Brief History of Humankind™…”

    You mean Jews or European whites?

    “will be still able to arbitrary use Sex Crime as a litmus test for officeholders?”

    There is nothing arbitrary about sex crimes. What you meant to say were accusations of sex crimes.

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  181. @Whiskey
    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don't tolerate White beta males.

    That's the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

    “White women don’t tolerate White beta males.”

    It’s actually women who don’t tolerate you. All in a day’s work for your cottage industry known as the social-sexual hierarchy.

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  182. @MarkinLA
    At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a "race traitor" when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.

    “””
    ME: At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    MarkinLA: He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a “race traitor” when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.
    “””

    That may have worked for some folks, but not my son. At the time he made Calvin Coolidge look like a chatterbox. Most likely he would’ve sat there and said absolutely nothing.

    I thought it better for him not to go.

    The fact it was a 5 hour journey, with a few days in a motel, was actually the only good part about it. He probably would’ve gone with some American Indian friends of his, and he always had a great time with them. Right before a different trip I pointed out that my Indian ancestors and their Indian ancestors were bitter enemies for centuries, and the chaperone felt obliged to assure me that they wouldn’t actually let those kids drown my son as they threatened. My son and I knew it was just friendly teasing.

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    Most young people would get along if the experts weren't always trying to "help" them.
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  183. @Tiny Duck
    white men need to understand the violence they perpetrate. white people, women included, need to understand their privilege and its cost. If you feel uncomfortable because a brown or a female person is expressing their frustration as they begin to emerge from their perception and join the conversation, back up, quiet down, listen, acknowledge, then speak your mind. Perhaps it isn’t joining into the divisive Trumpsterism so much as saying, I want in and I have needs, I don’t know how to express it, but here I am. white folk have much, much, much, to be held accountable for. Men have much to account for. So settle down guys, yes, you are a good guy. It’s a shame that so many of the bad guys have clouded the view and opportunities. But that too is your challenge to overcome.

    People of color have grown ever more tired of being respectful toward racists. They are angry and for many of themthere is no need to hide there feelings about white America, of which you guys a part.

    They have been lied to, beaten and ostracized in their own country and you guys ask why they don't try being nice to their oppressors. whites need to stop telling them how to deal with their problem, we don't have a clue.

    Mr. Duck–your therapist just called. Need to increase your dosage.

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  184. @Barnard
    Paul Ryan and the GOP establishment use "that's not who we are" as much as Obama and Hillary did. A search for "Paul Ryan that's not who we are" produced 1.38 million results on Google. That's over twice as many results as the search gets with Obama's name. Although a lot of the results could be conservative websites ripping Ryan for using it.

    Here is Conservatism, Inc. superstar Ben Sasse using it in a his speech announcing his run for Senate in 2013:

    But whatever it is, it is not the “Innovation Capital” of the world, and the reason why is because government runs the economy and the culture.

    That’s not who WE are. That’s never been who we are. America has always meant something bigger and more exciting, America has always been about opportunity and progress.
     
    http://journalstar.com/ben-sasse-i-m-running-to-repeal-the-obamacare-worldview/article_0b15125a-1ed0-55b2-a1b1-50224ecea5f0.html

    To be fair, I think after Trump was elected, most of these geniuses finally figured out this was not a popular statement with the Republican base and stopped using it.

    “That’s not who we are” is just a quote lifted from a TV show, The Walking Dead. It has been a recurring statement on that show by characters since before Hillary started using it. These politicians don’t have original thoughts and have little ability to reason.

    Of course, it’s also true that memes pushed by MSM outlets show up in fictional TV shows as reinforcement, but, in the case of “That’s not who we are” It’s pretty obvious that someone on Hillary’s team gave her that line to use after watching the TV drama. I doubt that Hillary could have grabbed it from TV herself. She has never exhibited the kind of attention span needed to actually follow the plot of a simple TV show.

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    No, it's not from The Walking Dead. I can find it used in an LA Times article from 1994:

    "Cottage industries? That's not who we are," grumbled Jaramillo's predecessor, Sam Pick. "Tourists come to this town for the art galleries, the food and the opera--not for homemade earrings and other stuff they could buy on a sidewalk in New York."
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-12/news/mn-8165_1_santa-fe

    Google Books gives me other examples of its use in the mid-1990s.
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  185. @Tiny Duck
    white men need to understand the violence they perpetrate. white people, women included, need to understand their privilege and its cost. If you feel uncomfortable because a brown or a female person is expressing their frustration as they begin to emerge from their perception and join the conversation, back up, quiet down, listen, acknowledge, then speak your mind. Perhaps it isn’t joining into the divisive Trumpsterism so much as saying, I want in and I have needs, I don’t know how to express it, but here I am. white folk have much, much, much, to be held accountable for. Men have much to account for. So settle down guys, yes, you are a good guy. It’s a shame that so many of the bad guys have clouded the view and opportunities. But that too is your challenge to overcome.

    People of color have grown ever more tired of being respectful toward racists. They are angry and for many of themthere is no need to hide there feelings about white America, of which you guys a part.

    They have been lied to, beaten and ostracized in their own country and you guys ask why they don't try being nice to their oppressors. whites need to stop telling them how to deal with their problem, we don't have a clue.

    This is much better quality trolling, Tiny. It shows you care.

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  186. @415 reasons

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party
     
    Third world migrants voting Republican in appreciable numbers is, was and always has been a fever dream of Conservatism, Inc., with no basis in reality.

    It’s not that they will start voting Republican, but rather that they will turn what used to be liberal leftist parties into Islamist parties. And that will be bad news for feminists and gays.

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  187. @Whiskey
    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don't tolerate White beta males.

    That's the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

    >White women turned against Moore

    Whiskey, just because women hate you, doesn’t mean they hate all White men.

    Exit polls showing Moore won White women with college 55-45 and without college 65-35.

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  188. @Anon
    Diversity has a long track record of success worldwide. No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you'll still find them all in the history books. And if any of that did happen somewhere, we'll be different.

    “No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you’ll still find them all in the history books.”

    No wars were ever won over it, no countries ever created because of it, or first world countries becoming stronger as a result of it, or foreign lobbies were rebuffed by their former members, nor strife ever subsided because of it, and no empire arose due to it–the prime example being Great Britain, who arose from Britons, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, and a host of other foreign cultures.

    Right back at you.

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    You appear to be having some trouble. Here's a handy chart:

    http://academic.csuohio.edu/polen/LC9_Help/4/immediate.htm

    I can't tell if you're 14 years old or 84 years old.

    You also apparently think the stars control the tides.
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  189. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Wouldn't Emma Lazarus be considered a Founding Mother? Or perhaps a mother-in-law?

    Especially the line "She thinks her advice is the Constitution, but if she would leave that would be the solution."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg6yJFYdROk

    Yes, I remember that old song. It was popular back in the days of black songwriters who actually wrote songs and set them to music, unlike the 3rd grade level “poetry” backed by synthesized drumbeats that is the modern standard for black music.

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  190. @Anon
    The GOP has no one to blame but themselves. They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. They are corrupt, greedy fools.

    Moore's opponent Doug Jones: supports minimum wage increase, targeted tax cuts not tax cuts for the rich, universal healthcare (or at least that's what he's led people to believe), universal minimum income, etc.

    Brietbart is screaming that he's some kind of radical leftist, but their list of evidence basically is a bunch of nothing plus something on abortion (yesterday's news that republicans need to get over).

    Not coincidentally, Brietbart had on their front page earlier today a headline extolling all the great things Trump's foolish tax cut will do for the economy. Brietbart has gone WAY down hill since Trump took office. What an embarrassment.

    We elected Trump but got W. Bush II. White and rural turnout was way down. That's what happens when your stupid president squanders his presidency doing dumb things like threaten more Middle Eastern wars and lets republicans try to take away your healthcare.

    Unless the GOP jettisons its donor class and embraces economic populism, it is DOA. Trump's approval rating in ALABAMA is barely north of 50%. That should tell you everything you need to know.

    “They abandoned the working class to cut taxes on the rich, cut your healthcare, and launch more wars. ”

    That has always been a feature of the republican party. They have always, from the first decade of their existence, pretended to be for or against whatever they had to pretend in order to get the votes. All they’ve ever had to abandon after an election is their rhetoric.

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  191. @Whiskey
    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don't tolerate White beta males.

    That's the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive.

    Whereas Doug Jones is often mistaken for Brad Pitt?

    Doug Jones looks kinda like Lindsey Graham – soft and doughy.

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  192. @415 reasons

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party
     
    Third world migrants voting Republican in appreciable numbers is, was and always has been a fever dream of Conservatism, Inc., with no basis in reality.

    It certainly is now a fever dream in the US, as they sense that conservatives oppose their mere existence.

    But I’m going by the situation in BC, Canada (where I live). Despite very large numbers of Chinese and Sikhs from India, the recent provincial elections have gone against the leftist NDP.

    Many of these particular immigrants bought their way in. If an immigrant can put up enough cash to invest in B.C., they can get in. I believe the US has a similar policy, although last time I checked, the US required a higher amount of cash.

    Since they’re investing their money, they want business friendly governments.

    Nor is there as much resistance from the whites already here. Hey, house prices are through the roof. It’s payday for whites who bought years ago. They make a huge profit,

    Also, these well-to-do immigrants are more culturally aligned: they’re not over represented in crime, for example. Also, they’re not Muslims, who are unattractive no matter how much money they have.

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  193. @jim jones
    You will never see a woman washing the family car on a Sunday morning, that is mens work

    Go to church on Sunday morning. Wash the car on Saturday.

    I take my car to a car wash every so often. It’s close to 100% males who work there, but the few women that I have seen are the ones who are cleaning the interior of the cars. Just like in regular homes: the wife does mostly house work and the husband does mostly yard (the nasty, difficult parts) work.

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  194. @kihowi
    Is this Steve Sailer's law of Steve Sailer?

    Journalism by Steve Sailer has the goal of creating a society where people who communicate like Steve Sailer are more influential than they are now.

    ie where empty emotional language is deprecated and conversations are based on data and clear trains of thought

    ie nerdy and masculine

    Nerdy and masculine. Count me in!

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  195. @Anonymous
    It would seem to follow as a simple matter of nonpartisan logic that Roy Moore, now or at least for the moment, is not who we are. But I have a feeling that he will be again, in hopes to illustrate that one faction of us are even less who Roy Moore is, than are the lumpen unredeemed, who were actually more like Moore this whole time (even when they temporarily weren't for about a week in December '17 as reward for great justice), precisely b/c that *is* who *they* are. In conclusion we have always been at war with Eastmoorea

    Huh?

    Sprechen Sie Englisch?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  196. @Anon
    I ate at a Polish restaurant in Hamtramck today. One of the last 3 or 4 remaining out of the dozens that used to operate there. There are at least as many Bengalis as there are Yemenis. Sad what happened to that city . Even sadder to realize it all could have been avoided if Polish people continued to have large families.

    I was born in Highland Park, my favorite aunt, as a kid, was married to a polish guy and ww2 vet in Hamtramck , she passed away as a beautiful young lady in the early fifties and their son, my cousin, perished in Viet Nam.
    Hamtramck was famous for polish wurst and pastries.

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  197. @El Dato
    That's not what we are worth: ‘Not a typo’: Disbelief as Boston Globe confirms median net worth of black Bostonians is $8

    The Boston Globe had to explain there were no typographical errors in its report about Boston’s black community. Readers contacted the paper after it reported the median net worth of African-American households in the Boston area is a paltry $8.

    The Boston Globe’s Spotlight investigation team cited the statistic in its first installment of a series focusing on Boston’s black community and the city’s reputation as one of the most racist urban regions in America.
     
    The first time I hear that Boston is particularly racist.

    You must not remember the school busing protests.

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  198. @eah
    OT

    From sea to shining sea.

    https://twitter.com/AmRenaissance/status/940675217420111872

    Thanks for that.

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  199. @GSR
    It' all comes down to the contempt White Americans shown by Barry of Indonesia and Shrillary and frankly most Leftists of both parties.

    It's about the continued displacement of native-born Americans by Turd Worlders.

    The Dems as a political party must have poor "non-White" peasants to create subsidies for and thus get and stay elected.

    And employers must have their cheap labor. The corporate Repubs and Chamber of Commerce are implicated in this up to their eyeballs.

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  200. @nebulafox
    There is no "right" or "wrong" side to history. Beyond basic contours, it is supreme folly to think that mere mortals can fathom what will happen in the future. Did Romans living in the era of Trajan ever think that a little over 100 years later, civilization as they knew it would nearly collapse? Did anybody in what was once Magdeburg after the Thirty Year's War imagine that their German state would eventually forcibly unify the lands around them into Europe's biggest industrial and scientific powerhouse? Did a Chinese peasant born in 1963 in a humble fishing village called Shenzhen imagine that 50 years later, he'd be able to share a daily video call with his daughter studying in America in his skyscraper, air-conditioned apartment-and that he'd be able to eat meat whenever he felt like it?

    That platitude is not just wrong, but dangerous: we, as human beings, forge history. That's our duty, our goal as human beings, to constantly strive to overcome ourselves and become stronger, smarter, sleeker. To imply that history is beyond our control discourages people to do so, that there's no point to it. Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with Obama in his last years in office, elicits justified contempt: and fierce efforts to demonstrate independence by doing the opposite. Enter Trump.

    ” Or, when combined with political impotence, as was the case with O in his last years in office”

    So you are bemoaning the fact that he was unable to do even more damage, if he had been less impotent.

    And your synopsis and theories regarding history are beyond absurd : “Mere mortals.
    Apparently you are suggesting that something or someone “above” the status of “Mere mortal” would then be able to forcast the future, excuse me but I feel like puking.

    “We as human beings forge history” : Hogwash, history is the results of actions and events, and it is never “forged”, to “forge” meaning to intentionally set an end result, rather things are set in motion and the results are rarely ever known until they occur, as “history” is just that : “history” which was not set up in advance.

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  201. @bored identity
    bored identity will take an opportunity to nominate this bunch of Ravishing Hofstranauts as a legit grandiose-finalists in "Not Who We Are" category :

    https://youtu.be/KrKIWu0zrV8?t=30s

    She doesn’t have to say a word as her stupid face reveals her standpoints.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet,and pro jazz artist.

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  202. @Paleo Liberal
    "It’s an assertion of tribal solidarity based on a putative rejection of tribal solidarity."

    Very true.

    I have two words that prove that White Privilege is something real among the people who "fight" White Privilege.:

    Tim Wise

    Do you think left-wing whites would pay money to get yelled at by, say, the BLM women who shut down Bernie Sanders' rally?

    When Tim Wise is criticizing "White People", they feel in their hearts he is making an exception for them. He means those guys in Mississippi, not New York or California.

    When the ladies of BLM yelled at the Sanders crowd, they were yelling at THEM.


    There are plenty of black writers who write more intelligently about race than Tim Wise, with much less fame. Granted, that is setting the bar very low. For example, read Adolph Reed, Jr. who points out that identity politics are just a way to divide working people and make it easier for elites to screw over everyone. I admit my bias, because the late Adolph Reed, Sr. was a close friend of my family, so I was very much influenced by Adolph, Sr.'s thinking.

    I am a left-winger, mix of white and Cherokee, and my kids are a mixture of three races. My kids just want to be normal Americans, not People of Color. At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would've been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn't want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    ” I am a left winger”

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called “leftist” viewpoint and not see through it’s mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my “Mensa” mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those “workers paradises”, so much for “Leftist” concepts.

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    """
    ” I am a left winger”

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called “leftist” viewpoint and not see through it’s mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my “Mensa” mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those “workers paradises”, so much for “Leftist” concepts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973 , airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    """

    I have found that those who brag the most about their intelligence often make the least intellegent posts.

    Seriously? You can't tell the difference between someone left of center and a Communist? And you brag about it?

    Might I remind you that Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson were both left of center, and they both got the US into wars against Communist nations. Not to mention that Truman was instrumental in starting NATO, and implementing the Marshall Plan, to protect Western Europe against Communism.
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  203. @Sarah Toga
    . . . well . . . except ole' Tailgunner Joe . . . was correct. Even heroic. IOTW, a good guy. I see your point but maybe use another label? Maybe "Maoism for Enlightened People"? Cultural Revolution and all that?

    Check the interwebs for Ann Coulter's column of 11/7/2007.
    And the book by M. Stanton Evans, "Blacklisted By History"

    As Ann puts it, that era shows us the touchstone of how the left re-writes history.

    Re-writing is a key concept.
    Current discussion on Steve's blogpiece of "that's not who we are" is to discuss the ways of re-writing 400 years of American demographics.

    . . . well . . . except ole’ Tailgunner Joe . . . was correct. Even heroic. IOTW, a good guy. I see your point but maybe use another label? Maybe “Maoism for Enlightened People”? Cultural Revolution and all that?

    Check the interwebs for Ann Coulter’s column of 11/7/2007.
    And the book by M. Stanton Evans, “Blacklisted By History”

    In her 2003 work “Treason” Ann Coulter devotes about a third of the book to the McCarthy era. For those who enjoy Coulter’s inimitable writing, the entire book is an enlightening and entertaining read.

    Evans book is probably the authoritative book on McCarthy, and Coulter thanks Evans in the acknowledgements for giving her “original research for my brief version of a topic he will cover in meticulous detail in his forthcoming book”.

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  204. @Corvinus
    "No wars were ever fought over it, no countries ever broke up because of it, formerly first world countries never descended into anarchy on account of it, no foreign lobbies ever held undue sway in a multicultural country, no strife was ever witnessed, and no empire truly ever fell; if you look hard enough, you’ll still find them all in the history books."

    No wars were ever won over it, no countries ever created because of it, or first world countries becoming stronger as a result of it, or foreign lobbies were rebuffed by their former members, nor strife ever subsided because of it, and no empire arose due to it--the prime example being Great Britain, who arose from Britons, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, and a host of other foreign cultures.

    Right back at you.

    You appear to be having some trouble. Here’s a handy chart:

    http://academic.csuohio.edu/polen/LC9_Help/4/immediate.htm

    I can’t tell if you’re 14 years old or 84 years old.

    You also apparently think the stars control the tides.

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    Diversity can be unifying and it can be destructive. For a person to think one is more so over the other is the child.
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  205. @Frau Katze
    My theory, based mostly on reading at NYT’s site from Canada (we currently are afflicted with someone worse than Obama):

    The elite hope to bring in enough immigrants to give the Dems a permanent majority. Of course they’re not alone: idiot Trudeau is thinking along the same lines and so was Tony Blair.

    So that meant a huge number in a short time. This was to be shoe-horned into a single span of government. Because of the Americans system of multiple power centres in the House of Congress and the Senate, such a window is hard to achieve.

    It’s easier in Canada and the UK because if a party receives a majority in the House of Commons they can do just about anything for 5 years.

    But they’re all overlooking one thing:

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier. It’s going way past mere liberal immigration laws as the crazies start showing themselves.

    I have no explanation for the “not who were are” phrase. I’ve havent heard it in Canada. Was it Bill Clinton who coined it?

    Why do they think the immigrants will be forever beholden to the left wing party, especially as it becomes kookier and kookier.

    Their numbers will allow them to take over the left-wing party and make it their own.

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  206. @The Anti-Gnostic
    You appear to be having some trouble. Here's a handy chart:

    http://academic.csuohio.edu/polen/LC9_Help/4/immediate.htm

    I can't tell if you're 14 years old or 84 years old.

    You also apparently think the stars control the tides.

    Diversity can be unifying and it can be destructive. For a person to think one is more so over the other is the child.

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    Which nets to zero. Which means we get a big, fat sunk cost from all the laws, all the lawsuits, all the bureaucrats, all the visas, and all the propaganda to deal with Diversity.

    Do you even understand what you write? We need to put you in a lab and hammer out a thesis on mimid intelligence.
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  207. @Twodees Partain
    “That’s not who we are” is just a quote lifted from a TV show, The Walking Dead. It has been a recurring statement on that show by characters since before Hillary started using it. These politicians don't have original thoughts and have little ability to reason.

    Of course, it's also true that memes pushed by MSM outlets show up in fictional TV shows as reinforcement, but, in the case of “That’s not who we are” It's pretty obvious that someone on Hillary's team gave her that line to use after watching the TV drama. I doubt that Hillary could have grabbed it from TV herself. She has never exhibited the kind of attention span needed to actually follow the plot of a simple TV show.

    No, it’s not from The Walking Dead. I can find it used in an LA Times article from 1994:

    “Cottage industries? That’s not who we are,” grumbled Jaramillo’s predecessor, Sam Pick. “Tourists come to this town for the art galleries, the food and the opera–not for homemade earrings and other stuff they could buy on a sidewalk in New York.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-12/news/mn-8165_1_santa-fe

    Google Books gives me other examples of its use in the mid-1990s.

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  208. @Authenticjazzman
    " I am a left winger"

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called "leftist" viewpoint and not see through it's mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my "Mensa" mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those "workers paradises", so much for "Leftist" concepts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973 , airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    “””
    ” I am a left winger”

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called “leftist” viewpoint and not see through it’s mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my “Mensa” mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those “workers paradises”, so much for “Leftist” concepts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973 , airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    “””

    I have found that those who brag the most about their intelligence often make the least intellegent posts.

    Seriously? You can’t tell the difference between someone left of center and a Communist? And you brag about it?

    Might I remind you that Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson were both left of center, and they both got the US into wars against Communist nations. Not to mention that Truman was instrumental in starting NATO, and implementing the Marshall Plan, to protect Western Europe against Communism.

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    Your posting is full of so much nonsense and pure bullshit, that it defies response, but I will try anyway.

    "you can't tell the difference between someone left of center and a communist, and you brag about it"

    The issue is not the "difference"between communism and leftistism rather the general direction towards tyrannical "collectivism" towards which you "leftists" are drawn no differently than avowed communists.

    Look friend I have been traversing this globe since before you were born, and have encountered a zillion communists, leftists, and every other shade of marxist lunacy ( Lived in Trier, the birthplace of Marx for several months) and your argumentation constitutes the same twisted logic employed by every leftist wacko, goodbye.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and por Jazz artist.
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  209. We don’t criticize Hillary and Obama here. That’s not who we are.

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  210. This is one of those phrases that makes me tune out the speaker as soon as I hear it, because I know that what follows will just be more blather. It’s on the same list as saying “reach out” instead of “talk to”, “questions and concerns” instead of “problems”; etc

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  211. @Sarah Toga
    Yep, when Beck and Ted Cruz went down to the Rio Grande Valley to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls to Obama's kidinvasion arrivals I finally saw who they (Beck and Cruz) are.

    Yes, these cucks welcomed “unaccompanied minors” who turned out to be MS-13 gang members from Central America.

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  212. @Paleo Liberal
    """
    ” I am a left winger”

    Translation : I am a nut case, who thinks he is right about everything, and who has no actual clue as to anything political or societal.

    Just how the hell anyone can adhere to the so-called “leftist” viewpoint and not see through it’s mulditudinal fallacies is beyond my “Mensa” mind.

    I am quite sure that I am the only one posting here who has spent time behind the iron-curtain long before the fall of the Berlin wall, and who can remember the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the citizen of those “workers paradises”, so much for “Leftist” concepts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973 , airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    """

    I have found that those who brag the most about their intelligence often make the least intellegent posts.

    Seriously? You can't tell the difference between someone left of center and a Communist? And you brag about it?

    Might I remind you that Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson were both left of center, and they both got the US into wars against Communist nations. Not to mention that Truman was instrumental in starting NATO, and implementing the Marshall Plan, to protect Western Europe against Communism.

    Your posting is full of so much nonsense and pure bullshit, that it defies response, but I will try anyway.

    “you can’t tell the difference between someone left of center and a communist, and you brag about it”

    The issue is not the “difference”between communism and leftistism rather the general direction towards tyrannical “collectivism” towards which you “leftists” are drawn no differently than avowed communists.

    Look friend I have been traversing this globe since before you were born, and have encountered a zillion communists, leftists, and every other shade of marxist lunacy ( Lived in Trier, the birthplace of Marx for several months) and your argumentation constitutes the same twisted logic employed by every leftist wacko, goodbye.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and por Jazz artist.

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  213. @Whiskey
    White women turned against Moore because he is old and unattractive. Trump is toast, impeached and replaced by either Hillary or Kamala Harris in a year. Maybe less. White women don't tolerate White beta males.

    That's the not who we are stuff. White women angry at beta maleness.

    Have you seen footage of Moore pretending to ride that poor little horse? As soon as the real rednecks saw what a phony he was, he lost their vote. All hat and no cattle.

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    So then the "Real Rednecks" voted for a leftist fool, someone they would normally never, ever, vote for, so as to make things much worse for themselves.

    Your leftist logic is typical and rediculous, so just start counting the days until Nov 4, 2020, and maybe you will have a chance to install a leftist nut-case in the WH.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  214. @Paleo Liberal
    """
    ME: At one point my son had a chance to go to a Conference on White Privilege that was open only to Students of Color, and would’ve been paid for by the local school district. He declined. He didn’t want to spend a few days having people tell him how horrible his white relatives and friends are.

    MarkinLA: He should have. I imagine it would have been tough being berated for being a “race traitor” when he points out that his white relatives are good people and this whole white privilege shtick is crap. You would have to mentally prepare him for the abuse, but it would have been a good wake up call for both sides.
    """

    That may have worked for some folks, but not my son. At the time he made Calvin Coolidge look like a chatterbox. Most likely he would've sat there and said absolutely nothing.

    I thought it better for him not to go.

    The fact it was a 5 hour journey, with a few days in a motel, was actually the only good part about it. He probably would've gone with some American Indian friends of his, and he always had a great time with them. Right before a different trip I pointed out that my Indian ancestors and their Indian ancestors were bitter enemies for centuries, and the chaperone felt obliged to assure me that they wouldn't actually let those kids drown my son as they threatened. My son and I knew it was just friendly teasing.

    Most young people would get along if the experts weren’t always trying to “help” them.

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  216. @Rosamond Vincy
    Have you seen footage of Moore pretending to ride that poor little horse? As soon as the real rednecks saw what a phony he was, he lost their vote. All hat and no cattle.

    So then the “Real Rednecks” voted for a leftist fool, someone they would normally never, ever, vote for, so as to make things much worse for themselves.

    Your leftist logic is typical and rediculous, so just start counting the days until Nov 4, 2020, and maybe you will have a chance to install a leftist nut-case in the WH.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    Not a lefty at all. I'm a horse-lover. One site accused Moore of being a redneck, and got indignant replies that a real redneck would know how to RIDE.
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  217. @Corvinus
    Diversity can be unifying and it can be destructive. For a person to think one is more so over the other is the child.

    Which nets to zero. Which means we get a big, fat sunk cost from all the laws, all the lawsuits, all the bureaucrats, all the visas, and all the propaganda to deal with Diversity.

    Do you even understand what you write? We need to put you in a lab and hammer out a thesis on mimid intelligence.

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  218. @Authenticjazzman
    So then the "Real Rednecks" voted for a leftist fool, someone they would normally never, ever, vote for, so as to make things much worse for themselves.

    Your leftist logic is typical and rediculous, so just start counting the days until Nov 4, 2020, and maybe you will have a chance to install a leftist nut-case in the WH.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Not a lefty at all. I’m a horse-lover. One site accused Moore of being a redneck, and got indignant replies that a real redneck would know how to RIDE.

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