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Andrew Sullivan wraps up an article in New York mag with a couple of paragraphs that are eliciting howls of outrage from respectable pundits:

Do you know the real reason Dr. Dao was so brutally tackled and thrown off that United flight? It was all about white supremacy. I mean, what isn’t these days? That idea is from the New Republic. Yes, the cops “seemed” to be African-American, as the author concedes, so the white-versus-minority paradigm is a little off. Yes, this has happened before to many people with no discernible racial or gender pattern. Yes, there is an obvious alternative explanation: The seats from which passengers were forcibly removed were randomly assigned. New York published a similar piece, which argued that the incident was just another example of Trump’s border-and-immigration-enforcement policies toward suspected illegal immigrants of color. That no federal cops were involved and there is no actual evidence at all of police harassment of Asian-Americans is irrelevant — it’s all racism, all the time, everywhere in everything.

It’s easy to mock this reductionism, I know, but it reflects something a little deeper. Asian-Americans, like Jews, are indeed a problem for the “social-justice” brigade. I mean, how on earth have both ethnic groups done so well in such a profoundly racist society? How have bigoted white people allowed these minorities to do so well — even to the point of earning more, on average, than whites? Asian-Americans, for example, have been subject to some of the most brutal oppression, racial hatred, and open discrimination over the years. In the late 19th century, as most worked in hard labor, they were subject to lynchings and violence across the American West and laws that prohibited their employment. They were banned from immigrating to the U.S. in 1924. Japanese-American citizens were forced into internment camps during the Second World War, and subjected to hideous, racist propaganda after Pearl Harbor. Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn’t be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?

Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.

But that seems so 1965. The New Revelation, brought down from the mountain to us unworthy heathens by the prophet Teh-Genius Coates, is that the problems of all blacks anywhere on Earth are due to FDR’s red-lining.

Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo responded to Sullivan with an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

The only thing worse for nonwhites than having to live in a country built by whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country built by whites.

 
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  1. PhDPepper says:

    Didn’t Trump just enforce a redline around some real estate recently? That was a good thing, right? I can’t tell the difference- we need more colored lines! Or, lines of color, sorry.

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  2. Sully should be careful.

    People might remember that he edited the edition of New Republic that ran pro and anti pieces on The Bell Curve. A man in in his position is always just one twitter storm away from being watsonned.

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  3. The dishonest marginalizing, maligning, demonizing and vilification will continue until there is no more money or power in it. The Democrats’ house of cards is built on a foundation of hating whitey. Their momentum means it won’t stop, it will have to collapse.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    Their momentum means it won’t stop, it will have to collapse.
     
    Indeed. If only that collapse weren't guaranteed to take all of civilization down with it. Or at least most of us, as the foundation of "hating whitey" will only stop providing money and power once there truly is no more "whitey" to hate.
    , @Frau Katze
    Indeed. And it will be awful for everyone.

    To me, "multiculturalism" and the accompanying mass immigration is THE issue.

    Fussing about transgender, etc is a minor footnote. (Few other cultures look upon them favourably, so they'll lose too).
  4. Wait a minute! How long was I asleep just now?

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    Sully's been asleep about 16 years. The 'what about Asian, whitey ain't dsciminating against them' argument was en vouge arounf 2001.
  5. Altai says:

    Holy moly, first Ann Coulter, now Andrew Sullivan. (And JonTron, who did nothing wrong!)

    I would love to know if these people kept this thoughts to themselves all these years or if they’re just dull ideologues and the alt-right is what they feel is in vogue.

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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.

    And if you’re an Asian wanting a piece of that social justice leadership pie, blame whites for your success:

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    • Replies: @guest
    I find it hilarious that anyone thinks we need extra special ways to denigrate blacks. Even nowadays, post-Magic Negro President, when you can't cast a non-black PHD in any movie, tv show, or commercial...I mean, come on. Just look at them.

    The hard work is trying not to denigrate them.
  7. Kevin C. says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    The dishonest marginalizing, maligning, demonizing and vilification will continue until there is no more money or power in it. The Democrats' house of cards is built on a foundation of hating whitey. Their momentum means it won't stop, it will have to collapse.

    Their momentum means it won’t stop, it will have to collapse.

    Indeed. If only that collapse weren’t guaranteed to take all of civilization down with it. Or at least most of us, as the foundation of “hating whitey” will only stop providing money and power once there truly is no more “whitey” to hate.

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    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Olorin

    the foundation of “hating whitey” will only stop providing money and power once there truly is no more “whitey” to hate.
     
    The question is who's signing the checks and the employment contracts.
  8. TheBoom says:

    There is always a problem when you try to use logic to argue with the views of a religious cult (e.g., the SJW). You are simply branded a heretic and evil person. That is why free speech is now considered hate speech and it is considered a cardinal sin to notice.

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  9. syonredux says:

    It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it?

    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @res
    Since it seems to be OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than whites does that mean it is also OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than blacks?
    , @Achilles

    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).
     
    If the SJWs are going to destroy human civilization over the demand for innate equality, then the practical solution is for some number of Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians to become blacks in order to converge the bell curves.

    Rachel Dolezal can show them how. Or Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder.
    , @Desiderius
    Steve's drawing your attention to the fact that the narrowing avails him nothing, as the game is in fact one of extortion from whites. Anything that lessens their culpability must be attacked.
    , @Clark Westwood

    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).
     
    When Murray and Herrnstein were working on The Bell Curve, they were a little worried that their centrality-and-immutability-of-intelligence point would actually strengthen the welfare state, because it left less room for personal responsibility. But for some reason, progressives turned out to be much more comfortable with "NAMs are capable of better decision-making but just don't follow through" than "NAMs are stuck with an ineradicable handicap."
  10. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?”

    Uh oh… why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    “We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc.”

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It’s been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won’t even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless… like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they’re arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Good point. I don't know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    I have heard that many Chinese are agnostic or atheist. So are many whites. That would make intermarriage easier.

    I guess one would have to see how many white women are marrying Chinese men. If it's mostly the opposite that would argue against that explanation.
    , @(((King Curtis)))
    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls

    My admittedly limited experience confirms this
    , @Anonymous
    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society. But Jews look whiter than Chinese, Japanese or Indians, that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities.
    , @daniel le mouche
    'Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.'

    Maybe they're just quietly laughing (or crying) to themselves, as their culture has so much infinitely more depth than the American, at least the modern American. Anyone who's ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean. They're sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).
    , @Travis
    Indian women are far less attractive than whites, which is a big reason they are less likely to marry whites. Indians are more likely to be religious, maintain their culture here and typically refuse to eat meat. I could never marry a vegetarian, but they would also reject omnivores. Arranged marriages are still common among Indians, but are rare among Orientals. East Asians also seem to admire America's success , while Indians have more resentment against Europeans.
  11. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Total self combustion…

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  12. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Sullivan should specify the area of success.

    It’s true Asians do better at math and science and drone-occupations.

    But blacks succeed a lot more in other areas, indeed those areas deemed cool. Sports, music, sex, booty-call, yapping, comedy, and etc.

    So, in some ways, Asians are successes, in some ways failures.

    Also, huge difference between Asian female and Asian male. I think it’s more accurate to divide Asian-America into American-Female-America and Asian-Male-America. The former is much more successful sexually. Because men of all races seek out Asian women, Asian women have gold value. Because no women want Asian men, they have lead value. But homo Asian men may be more successful. Women seek big dongs but homos just seek some bung to pork. So, even an Asian homo with smaller dong has a bung to pork. So, George Takei is a sexual success since all he has to do is play biatch. No wonder Takei is the face of Asian American malehood. Only has value as homos with bungs.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "no women want Asian men"
    I see where you're coming from, but...
    I suspect even a fairly average Asian man (in the US), with a college degree and a paying job with even a little status, could score at least an average white girl. Of course he might not realize this, or he might think he deserves better, but he probably could.

    "men of all races seek out Asian women"
    I've met some black guys that don't mince words.
  13. Imagine if you were trying to buy real estate between 2002 and 2008, and some racist/bigoted lender prevented you from getting a loan. Wouldn’t you be relieved/grateful once that real estate bubble burst?

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    • Replies: @donut
    Back in 2002-2003 I thought about buying a row house here in Towson . Thank God I kept getting buyer's remorse before I bought rather than after .
  14. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Ever since that ‘RawMuscleGlutes’ affair, I can’t help but snicker a little bit whenever I see Andrew’s name.

    Oh well he’s moved on, and he’s correct in this piece – I hope he survives this one.

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    • Agree: Dahlia
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    A bit put off by his ass kissing of Asians.Far as I am concerned Asians can take their social justice loving flat behinds back where they came from.
    "But we must defend aflican American against evil whitey!
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Yeah, looks like he put down the bong. He was way too high about Palin.
  15. Yan Shen says:

    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I’ve argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn’t countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It’s bad enough that it’s considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    "denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country"

    I see whites denigrated more openly and far more often in the USA than Asians. And we are denigrated as genocidal monsters, not as nerds who have funny accents.

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
    , @(((King Curtis)))
    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.
    , @Anon
    I guess part of the resentment is that Asians out hustle everyone in a zero sum game which is kinda bad overall. Like Asians only have an average IQ of 105 so it seems they're sort of bringing their rat race culture over here which is bad. I think most white people would prefer the finland model of education to the south korea model of education. Didn't the cram school thing get so out of control over there that they had to shut it down?
    , @Yak-15
    That discrimination is so horrid and so deleterious that Asians only make up the highest income ethnic groups in the nation.

    Please explain your awful experiences in America to the Chinese expats living in Indonesia during the late 60s and late 80s. I am sure you can find much common ground.

    Thanks!
    , @Autochthon
    Of course, Asians can easily avoid all of this heartache by simply returning to Asia, where they belong; similarly, Europeans can find refuge among their own people in their own lands by....

    Wait, what's that...?

    Oh.
    , @Anon
    Yanny, the only discrimination yellow boys should worry about is sexual discrimination by yellow women. All else is fooey.

    It's like Sailer's piece "Is Humping Colorblind?" In Asia, yellow girls only knew yellow boys. So, they were okay with that. But once they go global and come to West, they have choice of wide range of men. Asian men have that choice too but women don't like them. There was a news piece about some online dating site where Asian women were most popular among all men. They figure Asian women will be easy since, given the choice, they will choose superior non-Asian man over Asian man. In contrast, Asian men are least sought by women of all races. Asian women still go for Asian men but still prefer whites. With all the rap music stuff, I'll bet many will go Negro. Consider the crazy Chinese ho who had her black boyfriend killed. And Ellen Pao would rather marry a homo Negro than a Chinese guy.

    Now, I believe in exism above all. Exism is exist-ism. Before all else is possible, you must exist. And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon. In Asia, yellow puds and poons came together and created more yellow boys and girls. In the West, yellow poons are popular but yellow puds aren't. And as yellow girls become Americanized, they take on American attitudes which values black man highest as stud and yellow man(and maybe a Gomezer) lowest. (But Mexers, even short squat ones, find women cuz their standards are low. Asian guys got college degrees and want quality women. A Gomezer will settle for any woman who can make taco.) Anyway, an Exist(Exism-ist) must think in terms of securing one's existence above all else.

    Now, yanny is alive only because a yellow man humped a yellow woman. He exists cuz of that meeting of pud and poon of his pa and ma. But suppose his pa and ma had grown up in the West. His ma would have taken on American attitudes and noticed that non-yellow men are superior. So, if Yannie's pa had asked Yannie's ma for marriage in the West, she would have flashed a sign "no dogs and chinese men allowed in my womb". Then yanny wouldn't exist. Yanny's ma's womb would have produced some kid for white man, Jewish man, or black man.

    It's like that movie BACK TO THE FUTURE. Michael J. Fox's existence is at stake. He must go to the past to ensure that his pa meet his ma in order for him to exist.

    So, yanny, the real problem for you fellers is you are sexually rejected by yellow women. This matters because life comes first. Whether yanny gets college degree, has leftist thought, has rightist thoughts, is religious, is secular, and etc are all secondary. All that is possible ONLY BECAUSE he exists. Thus exism comes first. You must secure existence. In the West, yellow wombs reject yellow men and produce kids for other men. So, in the West, future yannies have a lower chance of coming into existence because yellow women(like yanny's ma), if given a choice among various races of men, will likely choose outside her race. It's like Chua has affection for her father but no attraction to men like that. (If her mother had grown up in the West, she most likely would have been like her daughter and married outside race.)

    So, if yellow men have sense, they should go back to Asia and close borders and put up sign, "You no come here and take our girl. She no longer so horny." Yellows may be civilized and have long history, but their mentality isn't much different from primitive Indian savage. Indian savage give white man his daughter for material goods. Why do yellow fathers come to west and give their girls to other men? Bigger houses and cars. Giving away wombs for cars. But then, humans are organisms and will give up identity, culture, and etc. just for better material life and comfort. To preserve culture, one has to value something more than comfort. It's like some American Jews decide to live in Israel out of love and reverence. In material terms, he's much better off in the US. But he has this historical bond with the holy land.

    Racial security means men's control of land and wombs. Without land, you have no home turf and sacred territory to defend. Without wombs, there is no security for the future as all kids are born of women. Given those considerations, people must deal with reality. By global standards, asian males have the lowest market value sexually; therefore, it is stupid for yellow boys to venture outside Asia except as businessmen.

    The great tragedy of The West is afro-womb-colonization. Black men are not only coming to the West and having too many kids but colonizing wombs of white women on jungle fever. I was looking at youtube videos of street life in Paris and you often see white women with black men. And this is promoted by schools, pop culture, movies, and etc. And millions and millions of black men are headed to Europe. White European women don't stand with white men but go with Negro men and use wombs to make babies for invader men. France is always exploding with non-white births, and those births are only from African wombs but white wombs.
    It's the pleasure principle or meth-head principle. People will do what is pleasurable even if it leads to demise of system. If bigger dongs give women more pleasure, then white women will go with bigger dongs of Negroes. Pleasure trumps all. It's like even people who know pigs are smart and shouldn't be killed go on eating pork. Why? Pleasure of pork as food.
    When the Huns attacked Germanics, Germanics attacked Romans. Germanics got pushed, so they pushed against others. As Negroes conquer white wombs, white men are gonna seek compensation with yellow wombs. It's the push effect.

    So, if yanny really thinks about the WHY of his existence, he will think of taking his kind back to his homeland and keeping the land and womenfolk for themselves and keeping out foreign devils. It's the rule of exism. Be an Exist. Be like Michael J. Fox.

    https://youtu.be/vPrPfkT82Pw?t=38s
    , @donut
    We are just punching up .
    , @Anon
    "I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I’ve argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn’t countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country."

    There is truth in that, but you gotta remember this: In the US, only four people matter.

    1. Whites. While it's true that whites are most bashed, they are also most desired. Everyone, including your family, wants to come to white nation. Everyone wants to live near whites. Everyone trusts whites more than other races. Everyone would be happier if daughter married white than black or brown.

    2. Jews. Jews have lots of power. And their wit, humor, creativity have won them fans. Seinfeld. They have Holocaust thing. A holy people.

    3. Blacks. In some ways, many people fear and even hate blacks. But they love blacks on tv, sports, music, and etc. So, blacks have cool factor. And they got slavery narrative. Now, Asians have tragic narrative too, but watching asians suffer isn't as dramatic cuz they aren't good divas of suffering.

    4. Homos. This is more recent, but the homo rise is surely the fast and most ridiculous in America. But Homos are holy.

    As for the rest, they don't matter. It's just the way it is. It aint just Asians. Ask Muslims... who only got some attention FINALLY as pawns against Trump. Who cares about Palestinians? Ok, some in BDS do, but most Americans don't care. And most American attitude toward Mexican is 'pick tomaters'. And Hindus are made fun of cuz of their accent, but Hindus laugh along. Hindus do get humor and mockery. In high school in early 80s, a Pakistani twins were mocked by white guys for being Muslims. Whites couldn't tell different between Pakis and Iranians who were hated then. But the Pakis had a sense of humor about it and laughed along. And they became super patriotic nuts who joined US military and etc.

    In the end, it's not so much the suffering or victimhood but the dramatics, charismatics, and showmanship of victimhood that matters. It's like when chicken george cried when his chicken got killed. Dang, it was so sad watching Ben Vereen crying with saliva drooling out of his mouth. That got to me as a kid. And Jews created a holy cult of Anne Frank as new virgin mary.
    And homos are so flamboyant in their 'victimhood'.

    Expression counts. It's like Guernica the painting. The actual bombing was minor compared to others. Not many were killed, but Picasso drew a powerful painting of it, so the town became mythologized.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    At the end of the day, effectively subtle work on representation and dignity does much more good than any agitation for representation. And it would seem more our way, anyway, than to try to make a lot of noise and cry and yammer.
  16. Svigor says:

    and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn’t be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?

    I would be very interested in seeing these false, negative stereotypes for myself. Say, the top five.

    the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

    This old joke is the perfect one-liner to sum up all of non-core Americans’ bullshit. Can’t believe I never thought of it myself.

    The only thing worse for nonwhites than having to live in a country built by whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country built by whites.

    That’s pretty good too.

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    They will never concede that the country was built by whites.

    They do all sorts of mental contortions to create a multicultural past that didn't exist. We see in movies, education and Google doodles that many people are working hard to make American history simply disappear - replaced with a new, improved and inclusive history that was hidden from us by white supremacists all these years!

  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Difference between PC and HBD.

    PC cherry-picks truth to give false impressions. Like that Chinese-American NBA guy who had one successful season.

    HBD cotton-picks the truth. It goes for what is so obvious and abundant.

    MSM favors cherry-pickers over cotton-pickers.

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    • Agree: Luke Lea
    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Cherry pickers are favored over cotton pickers? Another racist legacy of American chattel slavery...
  18. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    The dishonest marginalizing, maligning, demonizing and vilification will continue until there is no more money or power in it. The Democrats' house of cards is built on a foundation of hating whitey. Their momentum means it won't stop, it will have to collapse.

    Indeed. And it will be awful for everyone.

    To me, “multiculturalism” and the accompanying mass immigration is THE issue.

    Fussing about transgender, etc is a minor footnote. (Few other cultures look upon them favourably, so they’ll lose too).

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  19. Actually I suspect that the choice of an old Asian-American to kick off the plane was because he was an old Asian-American.

    Wouldn’t you expect that such a person when faced with a group of much larger and younger males would just comply?

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    • Replies: @anon
    iirc 3-4 people were removed from the plane so that theory could be easily tested by looking at the other 3.

    Wouldn’t you expect that such a person when faced with a group of much larger and younger males would just comply?
     
    Not really. Verbally aggressive people in a civilized society generally think they can get away with verbal bullying so physical size only kicks in in environments where normal rules don't apply.
    , @Michelle
    Unless you were raised around Asians. If you were, you would know that old Asian men are some of the meanest summa bitches on the planet. Mean, mean, vicious and mean. Critical, sadistic and cruel. My 56 year old co-worker's 90 year old dad did not want her to "waste time" watching movies. A friend of hers gave her a gift of 2 Netflix movies per month. He dad nixed that. He literally would not allow her to enjoy herself, if he could prevent it, ever. He made her scrub out his dirty drawers and hang them by hand while she was sick and dying, even though his old folks home offered laundry services. He is pretty typical of many of my Chinese friend's elderly fathers. Not a speck of joy in them! That's why Asian girls marry white guys!
  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Andrew Sullivan has a homo bung, right? And someone said he has Bungle Fever… like Milo.

    Now, why do these white homos like black dongs? Bigger, right?

    So, there is race-ist truth right there.

    Peoples preferences are based on racial differences.

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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Oh boy, I see a bunch of Jews flipping out too.

    Jews are victims forever, Andy. Doncha know that?

    Btw, how come Pinker never got in hot water for his variation of Bell Curve? Bell Curvitz.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/77727/groups-and-genes

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  22. @Anon
    "Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?"

    Uh oh... why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    "We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc."

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It's been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won't even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless... like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they're arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.

    Good point. I don’t know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    I have heard that many Chinese are agnostic or atheist. So are many whites. That would make intermarriage easier.

    I guess one would have to see how many white women are marrying Chinese men. If it’s mostly the opposite that would argue against that explanation.

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    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.
    , @anon

    I don’t know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.
     
    They have a version of arranged cousin marriage just not as extreme as Muslims (caste, gotra etc are effectively looser forms of cousin marriage).
  23. Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don’t actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we’re controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it’s racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism.
     
    If only blacks and Hispanics had thought of doing that, right?
    , @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    , @Desiderius

    people like this actually have a platform
     
    In many places, the only one.

    They serve the purposes of those who run platforms.
    , @PiltdownMan

    He says that Asians don’t actually earn more than whites when you control for education.
     
    Warren Buffett isn't richer than me when you control for investment returns.
    , @Brutusale
    Controlling for income only proves that Asian guys don't become plumbers or electricians. When's the last time you saw an Asian tradesman? It's a case where his culture looks down on a solid profession with good earning potential.
  24. @Anon
    "Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?"

    Uh oh... why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    "We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc."

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It's been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won't even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless... like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they're arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.
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    ROTFL.

    I like #5. They are mentally ill.

    Actually, I've seen lots of attractive Indian women. I suppose it's a matter of taste. Also, there is a wide variance of types among Hindus. Some look almost like Australian Aborigines. Some look like brown whites. Some look like Persians.

    But I never liked saris, I don't care for the dot on head, and I CAN'T STAND NOSE-RINGS.

    I just don't get it. In the 70s, your average American made fun of nose-rings on Hindus.

    In the 90s, I began to see white and black girls get nose rings. Why? Worse than that, tongue-rings.

    Everyone is turning mentally ill.
    , @donut
    My personal experience confirms this .
  25. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    “denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country”

    I see whites denigrated more openly and far more often in the USA than Asians. And we are denigrated as genocidal monsters, not as nerds who have funny accents.

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.

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    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
     
    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn't really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

    , @Anon
    On the affirmative action issue... it's just part of America.

    And I suppose it makes some kind of sense. Asians are like 5% of population.

    Is it right for them to hog 40% of academia?

    So, I don't mind shooing in non-Asians.

    All I want is honesty.

    I don't want to hear this "we are for meritocracy, we don't discriminate on race, and we have creative ways of ... blah blah blah".

    It's like the bogus "I'm for free speech but not 'hate speech'."

    No, let's have AA based on truth. Let's admit some races are not as good at brainy stuff. However, let's admit that, since US is diverse, it's good for nation to have a broad representation than ethnic dominance in elite fields based purely on meritocracy of test-taking.

    I think we can all live with that. But so much AA talk is disingenuous and mealy mouthed.

    My attitude on the issue is like Steven Gutenberg in DINER when the other guy's wondering if he's gonna eat the sandwich. You want a piece? Then, ask for it. Don't pretend it's something else. Honest Sandwich Rule. Like John Lennon said, gimme some truth.

    https://youtu.be/F3QANzPkkR4?t=1m55s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM
  26. res says:
    @syonredux

    It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it?
     
    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    Since it seems to be OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than whites does that mean it is also OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than blacks?

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    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
    No, the transitive property (and, more generally, logic) doesn't hold in the algebra of political correctness.
  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Frau Katze
    Good point. I don't know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    I have heard that many Chinese are agnostic or atheist. So are many whites. That would make intermarriage easier.

    I guess one would have to see how many white women are marrying Chinese men. If it's mostly the opposite that would argue against that explanation.

    I think it’s the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I’d prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I’d still be unhappy about how things turned out.

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    • Replies: @(((King Curtis)))
    Care to elaborate on why you want your children to marry that way? And how caste impacts Indian immigrants in the U.S.? I find it quite an interesting topic.
    , @Frau Katze
    Yes, I think the religious part is important. Your hope that your children stay "in community" is quite normal.

    In Vancouver, BC, there are lots of Chinese and Sikhs. Just going by personal experience, the Chinese are intermarrying a lot more.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive
     
    My casual observation of a few kids born of Indian/White marriages confirms this, for the most part. And many of those good-looking girls are stunning—by white standards.
    , @Jack ryan
    Just have your children marry Whites and give them Indian names and culture

    The President of Syria married an attractive White British woman

    They finesse religion
    , @BB753
    The way things are going, you'll be lucky if your daughters don't get knocked up by an "aspiring rapper" and your sons don't end up lonely and childless. Modern American society is poison.
  28. @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

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    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    No fear, Chief.
    As a native South Carolinian, I can promise the feelings are reciprocal.
    , @Autochthon

    [T]hey really hate that they share a country with you.
     
    Yet they only do because their ancestors remorselessly murdered so many of ours to ensure they would...oh, wait: most of their ancestors, unlike ours, arrived under the banner of the Zeroth Amendment long after the rest of us went fought that nasty war, plus two others to ensure we didn't all share a nation ruled from Londonistan, nevermind the dirty work of civilising a wilderness and creating a nation. Déclassé stuff, after all; it dirties one's fingernails and makes callouses. And (((some of them in particular))) are especially above it, explaining their special contempt for us.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    We know very well.
  29. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?"

    Uh oh... why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    "We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc."

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It's been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won't even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless... like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they're arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.

    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society. But Jews look whiter than Chinese, Japanese or Indians, that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    No one said Asian IQ is on par with Jewish IQ.

    Jewish IQ has been measured at 110 to 115.

    East Asian IQ is 99 or 100, though maybe 105 in elite centers of the nation.

    Hindu IQ ranges like a mofo. It goes from very high to tarded. India is genetically very diverse.

    There are surely various ways of discrimination at upper reaches of society. Also, Jews can get away with it more. It's okay to call out on 'racist' Wasps, but it's still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.

    But that kind of discrimination will be found anywhere and in all societies.

    My belief is that a nation should not allow minorities to rise above middle position in management except in rare cases where the person is truly talented.

    It's gonna be crazy stupid for Canada to allow Hindus and Chinese to take over elite positions in society. There goes Canada.

    , @PiltdownMan

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society.
     
    It just isn't, IMHO. Asians have been in Western academia long enough (at least in STEM) to start showing up in numbers in the Nobel prizes recently. Some have, but it is nothing like what you would expect if they were are smart (at the extreme right tail) as Jewish Americans.
    , @anon

    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.
     
    To be fair, there is ample evidence of discrimination against non-Jewish White people.

    that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities
     
    Another reason they're not doing as well (yet) as other nepotistic minorities is they have had less time to burrow in.
  30. Achilles says:
    @syonredux

    It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it?
     
    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    If the SJWs are going to destroy human civilization over the demand for innate equality, then the practical solution is for some number of Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians to become blacks in order to converge the bell curves.

    Rachel Dolezal can show them how. Or Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder.

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  31. Yan Shen says:
    @Lot
    "denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country"

    I see whites denigrated more openly and far more often in the USA than Asians. And we are denigrated as genocidal monsters, not as nerds who have funny accents.

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.

    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn’t really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

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    • Replies: @(((King Curtis)))
    I don't know if you have any insight into this, but how do Asian-American students generally feel about competition from foreign Asians, if it's even a point of concern at all?
    , @Frau Katze
    I don't think there's discrimination against Far East Asians at universities in BC (Canada).

    All the universities are public, without endowments. So the older folk can't control policy.

    Amongst the less educated, there is in some cases a sort of casual, knee jerk racism. I have not seen it go past casual comments.

    A new form might be developing, as it did for Jews (almost none of them in BC): they're too successful. Amy Chua wrote about that.
    , @Anon
    Todd bless race-ism. This country began to go downhill when it stopped being race-ist.
    , @Lot
    Asians with the same SAT scores are less likely to be admitted to a small number of selective colleges compared to whites.

    Calling this discrimination assumes:

    (1) SAT score gaps between whites and asians reflect intelligence gaps and not college prepping gaps

    (2) Asians and whites with equal SAT scores will have the same level of personal, social, and physical qualities.

    Both of these are obviously false. But the Harvard lawsuit does not even acknowledge these issues, which is the first step you would need to take to control for them.

    Anyway you look at the Harvard lawsuit, it is Steve Hsu hoping to use the force of federal law against white people. We will see if he ever promotes or advises lawyers challenging AA for NAMs. I won't hold my breath.
  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jeremy Cooper

    Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

     

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don't actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we're controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it's racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

    When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism.

    If only blacks and Hispanics had thought of doing that, right?

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  33. Lugash says:
    @Clark Westwood
    Wait a minute! How long was I asleep just now?

    Sully’s been asleep about 16 years. The ‘what about Asian, whitey ain’t dsciminating against them’ argument was en vouge arounf 2001.

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  34. @Anonymous
    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.

    Care to elaborate on why you want your children to marry that way? And how caste impacts Indian immigrants in the U.S.? I find it quite an interesting topic.

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    Everything neatly fits into place if you marry someone of your own subcaste, because their likes, dislikes and upbringing is likely to be very similar to your own. They will likely have similar political views, similar ideas on familial responsibilities, money management and so on. The merchant castes disdain formal education and want their kids to start small businesses ASAP, the academic castes prize academia, elite institutions and art, the martial castes value military and police service. Each subcaste has its own traditions, its own favored temples, its own variations in marriage, birth and death rituals, in some cases its own dialect.

    Intermarriage with other communities would make your life progressively harder the more different the other community is from yours. Of course, as India modernizes many of these old identities are dying out.

    My personal ranking for preferred spouses would be as follows
    Same subcaste, same area> Same caste, same area> same caste, different area> castes close to mine in habits and behavior > other hindu castes > Non-hindu Indians but from indian religions, like Sikhs and Jains > Christian Indians > Buddhist East/Southeast Asians > Whites and non Buddhist Asians > Hispanics > Blacks and Muslims.
  35. Yan Shen says:
    @Jeremy Cooper

    Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

     

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don't actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we're controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it's racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I’ve argued before is consequence of East Asia’s Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you’re likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one’s lot in life isn’t within one’s own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one’s control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you’re likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead.

    Yeah, but in East Asia, the only other people you're going to run into are other East Asians, so what good would it do you to try the SJW route?

    People like Guo aren't in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece. You expect me to believe that East Asians are going to let them remain unfleeced, out of the goodness of their hearts or something?

    In all honesty, it would be pretty stupid for them to do so. It's a resource that they could tap.

    , @anon

    people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general
     
    people who work in the media have to follow the narrative or they'd be fired
    , @daniel le mouche
    'The idea that one’s lot in life isn’t within one’s own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one’s control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.'

    I remember well the shock I encountered on first going to east Asia. I was young and foolishly looking for a society that wasn't based on competition. Buddhism seemed to appeal.
    There are no people on earth more competitive! They live and breath competition. That is all life is to them, it seemed. (I'm exagerrating a bit--it wasn't all that bad, and most I encountered were lots of fun. The ladies could be fun too of course, but there was a feeling of ruthlessness I also got from them, as in (like everywhere) only the baddest muthaf***** interested them.)
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Confuciuanism has some narratives which can be SJWized. I have since concluded that SJWs don't need a coherent body of narrative to take over, just even one part is enough.

    Only Islam can resist with ridiculously hardline understanding.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, and nobody in Asia believes in geomancy or other kinds of magic!
  36. @Anonymous
    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.

    Yes, I think the religious part is important. Your hope that your children stay “in community” is quite normal.

    In Vancouver, BC, there are lots of Chinese and Sikhs. Just going by personal experience, the Chinese are intermarrying a lot more.

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  37. @syonredux

    It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it?
     
    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    Steve’s drawing your attention to the fact that the narrowing avails him nothing, as the game is in fact one of extortion from whites. Anything that lessens their culpability must be attacked.

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  38. Svigor says:

    Good point. I don’t know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    West and South Asians seem hardwired for ethnocentrism. P.S., everybody likes to act like Jews are these big inter-marriers, but their rate of marrying outside their tribe is way lower than it is for core Americans, so they fit the pattern, too.

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  39. @Jeremy Cooper

    Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

     

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don't actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we're controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it's racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

    people like this actually have a platform

    In many places, the only one.

    They serve the purposes of those who run platforms.

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  40. anon says: • Disclaimer

    For all the talk about how the Overton Window has shifted to the right lately, it’s a little discouraging to see that the “strong families/hard work” narrative, which has been the basic, standard conservative talking point for a generation or so, is now beyond the pale.

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    that's the point. the narrative is crumbling and it's becoming harder to manufacture consent - once that stage is reached the mask comes off and it's 100% coercion / gulags instead.

    it has to get worse before it can get better (if it gets better) - like a fever
  41. @Yan Shen

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
     
    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn't really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

    I don’t know if you have any insight into this, but how do Asian-American students generally feel about competition from foreign Asians, if it’s even a point of concern at all?

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    Yeah it's an interesting question. I would point out that there does appear to be a bit of a cultural divide between Asians who were either born in the United States or who came over at a very early age and grew up here versus recent immigrants from Asia.

    http://www.8asians.com/2013/04/30/the-abc-and-fob-divide/

    So not only is using the blanket term Asian American when discussing these kinds of issues hopelessly reductive because it fails to distinguish among East, Southeast, and South Asians, the latter whom are actually racially Caucasian, it also fails to acknowledge the cultural divide within specific groups in this country, treating the group instead as a monolithic whole.

    My suspicion is that among ABCs a larger percentage than most people realize are probably Trumpian in their views on issues such as immigration and foreign competition, including recent immigrants and non-citizens from Asia.

  42. Asians should simply be treated as “separate but equal” to Whites. I think that’s a modus vivendi both parties would accept, as it’s how we tend to act anyway so it seems to be natural and rooted in common sense.

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  43. Everybody on Twitter Is Mad at Andrew Sullivan

    C’mon Sailer, enough with the fake news.

    You’re on twitter and you’re not mad at Sully (for this post).

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  44. Svigor says:

    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    That’s okay, I hate them back. I enjoy telling Yankees that they’re shitbirds, when they move down here and open their big fat yaps. I listen to exactly none of Yankees’ shit.

    Stop me if you’ve heard this one: Yankees are like hemorrhoids: a pain in the ass when they come down, and a relief when they go back up.

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  45. Remember, equality is always out of reach and slavery was yesterday,

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  46. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    I guess part of the resentment is that Asians out hustle everyone in a zero sum game which is kinda bad overall. Like Asians only have an average IQ of 105 so it seems they’re sort of bringing their rat race culture over here which is bad. I think most white people would prefer the finland model of education to the south korea model of education. Didn’t the cram school thing get so out of control over there that they had to shut it down?

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Simply having stuff seems to be happiness to them. As opposed to, you know, enjoying oneself.

    We were playing a nice friendly game of Society and they had to go all Munchkin on us.
  47. Svigor says:

    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general.

    The Asians countervailing them are nonexistent. Even a small number is infinitely larger than zero.

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  48. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you’re likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead.

    Yeah, but in East Asia, the only other people you’re going to run into are other East Asians, so what good would it do you to try the SJW route?

    People like Guo aren’t in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece. You expect me to believe that East Asians are going to let them remain unfleeced, out of the goodness of their hearts or something?

    In all honesty, it would be pretty stupid for them to do so. It’s a resource that they could tap.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    People like Guo aren’t in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece.
     

    I wonder if Asian SJW activism is a lower tier phenomenon, with resentful, non-mathy Asian betas turning to activism as they nurse their egos—knowing that they were not able to cut it in STEM majors, as their tiger parents must have wanted them to.

  49. @Yan Shen

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
     
    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn't really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

    I don’t think there’s discrimination against Far East Asians at universities in BC (Canada).

    All the universities are public, without endowments. So the older folk can’t control policy.

    Amongst the less educated, there is in some cases a sort of casual, knee jerk racism. I have not seen it go past casual comments.

    A new form might be developing, as it did for Jews (almost none of them in BC): they’re too successful. Amy Chua wrote about that.

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  50. @(((King Curtis)))
    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    No fear, Chief.
    As a native South Carolinian, I can promise the feelings are reciprocal.

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  51. eah says:

    The only thing worse for nonwhites than having to live in a country built by whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country built by whites.

    There is nothing worse for Whites than allowing non-whites to immigrate en masse to their countries.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @(((King Curtis)))
    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls

    My admittedly limited experience confirms this

    ROTFL.

    I like #5. They are mentally ill.

    Actually, I’ve seen lots of attractive Indian women. I suppose it’s a matter of taste. Also, there is a wide variance of types among Hindus. Some look almost like Australian Aborigines. Some look like brown whites. Some look like Persians.

    But I never liked saris, I don’t care for the dot on head, and I CAN’T STAND NOSE-RINGS.

    I just don’t get it. In the 70s, your average American made fun of nose-rings on Hindus.

    In the 90s, I began to see white and black girls get nose rings. Why? Worse than that, tongue-rings.

    Everyone is turning mentally ill.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    "In the 90s, I began to see white and black girls get nose rings. Why? Worse than that, tongue-rings.

    Everyone is turning mentally ill."

    Agree that nose rings are gross. Nostrils are gross. Having to put your hand up a nostril to take a stud in or out is yucky to contemplate. Also those ear piercings that go into the ear. Again, the inside of the body is gross and other people shouldn't have to look at your ears (or nose) and think about what you have to do to take jewelry on or off.

    One earing for each ear at the bottom of the lobes. Females and male slaves from ancient Rome only. Everything else.... don't do it.
  53. Yak-15 says:
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    That discrimination is so horrid and so deleterious that Asians only make up the highest income ethnic groups in the nation.

    Please explain your awful experiences in America to the Chinese expats living in Indonesia during the late 60s and late 80s. I am sure you can find much common ground.

    Thanks!

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  54. Yak-15 says:
    @Anon
    Difference between PC and HBD.

    PC cherry-picks truth to give false impressions. Like that Chinese-American NBA guy who had one successful season.

    HBD cotton-picks the truth. It goes for what is so obvious and abundant.

    MSM favors cherry-pickers over cotton-pickers.

    Cherry pickers are favored over cotton pickers? Another racist legacy of American chattel slavery…

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  55. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society. But Jews look whiter than Chinese, Japanese or Indians, that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities.

    No one said Asian IQ is on par with Jewish IQ.

    Jewish IQ has been measured at 110 to 115.

    East Asian IQ is 99 or 100, though maybe 105 in elite centers of the nation.

    Hindu IQ ranges like a mofo. It goes from very high to tarded. India is genetically very diverse.

    There are surely various ways of discrimination at upper reaches of society. Also, Jews can get away with it more. It’s okay to call out on ‘racist’ Wasps, but it’s still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.

    But that kind of discrimination will be found anywhere and in all societies.

    My belief is that a nation should not allow minorities to rise above middle position in management except in rare cases where the person is truly talented.

    It’s gonna be crazy stupid for Canada to allow Hindus and Chinese to take over elite positions in society. There goes Canada.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    but it’s still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.
     
    Troublesome?

    It's suicidal, professionally and socially.

    , @Anonymous
    I'm referring to Indian-American IQ, not that of Indians as a whole. The former are a very selected subset of Indians, and are numerically in the same range as Ashkenazi Jewish Americans.

    https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/09/29/the-incredible-intelligence-of-indian-americans/
  56. @Jeremy Cooper

    Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

     

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don't actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we're controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it's racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

    He says that Asians don’t actually earn more than whites when you control for education.

    Warren Buffett isn’t richer than me when you control for investment returns.

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  57. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
     
    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn't really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

    Todd bless race-ism. This country began to go downhill when it stopped being race-ist.

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  58. @Anonymous
    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive

    My casual observation of a few kids born of Indian/White marriages confirms this, for the most part. And many of those good-looking girls are stunning—by white standards.

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  59. BenKenobi says:
    @Anon
    I guess part of the resentment is that Asians out hustle everyone in a zero sum game which is kinda bad overall. Like Asians only have an average IQ of 105 so it seems they're sort of bringing their rat race culture over here which is bad. I think most white people would prefer the finland model of education to the south korea model of education. Didn't the cram school thing get so out of control over there that they had to shut it down?

    Simply having stuff seems to be happiness to them. As opposed to, you know, enjoying oneself.

    We were playing a nice friendly game of Society and they had to go all Munchkin on us.

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  60. @anon
    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you’re likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead.

    Yeah, but in East Asia, the only other people you're going to run into are other East Asians, so what good would it do you to try the SJW route?

    People like Guo aren't in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece. You expect me to believe that East Asians are going to let them remain unfleeced, out of the goodness of their hearts or something?

    In all honesty, it would be pretty stupid for them to do so. It's a resource that they could tap.

    People like Guo aren’t in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece.

    I wonder if Asian SJW activism is a lower tier phenomenon, with resentful, non-mathy Asian betas turning to activism as they nurse their egos—knowing that they were not able to cut it in STEM majors, as their tiger parents must have wanted them to.

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    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don't seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.
  61. @Anonymous
    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society. But Jews look whiter than Chinese, Japanese or Indians, that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society.

    It just isn’t, IMHO. Asians have been in Western academia long enough (at least in STEM) to start showing up in numbers in the Nobel prizes recently. Some have, but it is nothing like what you would expect if they were are smart (at the extreme right tail) as Jewish Americans.

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  62. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.
     
    Well it seems like you basically ignored the heart of my comment, which pointed out that anti-Asian racism was prevalent among non-Asian ethnic groups in this country, without specifically focusing on any one group over the others.

    On the other hand, discrimination against Asian Americans in the college admissions system is probably disproportionately perpetuated by white and Jewish Americans, but here again I wouldn't really make that the focus of the argument, as most black and Hispanic Americans seem to have little belief in the value of Confucian meritocracy and are just as much a part of the anti-meritocratic bent in this country as anyone else.

    Asians with the same SAT scores are less likely to be admitted to a small number of selective colleges compared to whites.

    Calling this discrimination assumes:

    (1) SAT score gaps between whites and asians reflect intelligence gaps and not college prepping gaps

    (2) Asians and whites with equal SAT scores will have the same level of personal, social, and physical qualities.

    Both of these are obviously false. But the Harvard lawsuit does not even acknowledge these issues, which is the first step you would need to take to control for them.

    Anyway you look at the Harvard lawsuit, it is Steve Hsu hoping to use the force of federal law against white people. We will see if he ever promotes or advises lawyers challenging AA for NAMs. I won’t hold my breath.

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  63. @Anon
    No one said Asian IQ is on par with Jewish IQ.

    Jewish IQ has been measured at 110 to 115.

    East Asian IQ is 99 or 100, though maybe 105 in elite centers of the nation.

    Hindu IQ ranges like a mofo. It goes from very high to tarded. India is genetically very diverse.

    There are surely various ways of discrimination at upper reaches of society. Also, Jews can get away with it more. It's okay to call out on 'racist' Wasps, but it's still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.

    But that kind of discrimination will be found anywhere and in all societies.

    My belief is that a nation should not allow minorities to rise above middle position in management except in rare cases where the person is truly talented.

    It's gonna be crazy stupid for Canada to allow Hindus and Chinese to take over elite positions in society. There goes Canada.

    but it’s still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.

    Troublesome?

    It’s suicidal, professionally and socially.

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  64. Guo’s a massive whiner. Who just got hired by Vox. Starts Monday.

    He’s one of those Asians who says “Americans” when he means “white folks”.

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  65. @PiltdownMan

    People like Guo aren’t in East Asia, and have another whole group of suckers to fleece.
     

    I wonder if Asian SJW activism is a lower tier phenomenon, with resentful, non-mathy Asian betas turning to activism as they nurse their egos—knowing that they were not able to cut it in STEM majors, as their tiger parents must have wanted them to.

    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don’t seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.

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    I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2014/03/13/jeffrey-guo-joins-financial-staff/?utm_term=.5dd8cb7a10cb

    , @PiltdownMan

    Some of the South Asians are, however.
     
    I think social activism might be an elite marker in Indian society, going all the way back to Gandhi. The Indian freedom movement was led by wealthy Anglicized lawyers and upper-income intellectuals. So, their kids' involvement in such matters might not be as stigmatized by Indian immigrant parents and seen as not too big a step down or distraction from the real purpose of life, which is to make partner at Goldman Sachs or become a pediatric neurosurgeon.
    , @Lot
    East asian Americans complain about only being 20% not 40% of the Ivy League. But do any of them write in English at the 99.99 percentile? At 20% of the Ivy League and more at Stanford, you'd expect a lot more great writers in many fields, but I can't think of any. The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.

    It isn't racism since there are plenty of blacks and south asians doing these things.

    The current crop of freshman will be mid career in 2040. AI will be doing a lot more than know, and non algorithmic human skills will be at the higher premium than even now.
    , @O'Really
    Jeff Guo has a strong academic background, as has been noted. But there must be an interesting explanation as to why his ideological commitments so thoroughly overwhelm his common sense.

    Here is an account of how he had to retract a large chunk from a WaPo story after finding out he had been duped by a source who told him a fake story he wanted to hear (where have we seen that before?):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/05/new-washington-post-project-discloses-fabrications-from-a-source/?utm_term=.b77cf5c00adf

    The unredacted article is still a fascinating exhibit -- he spends nearly 3000 words trying to figure out why gay black men contract HIV:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/04/the-black-hiv-epidemic-a-public-health-mystery-and-love-story-from-atlantas-gay-community/?utm_term=.a21897f6395f
  66. Yan Shen says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don't seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.

    I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2014/03/13/jeffrey-guo-joins-financial-staff/?utm_term=.5dd8cb7a10cb

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    "I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though."

    Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution.
    , @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Hi Yan,
    You fellows are obviously bright as a button and switched on, but we in the West don't need a billion of you. Stay home. Thanks.
  67. @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    Of course, Asians can easily avoid all of this heartache by simply returning to Asia, where they belong; similarly, Europeans can find refuge among their own people in their own lands by….

    Wait, what’s that…?

    Oh.

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    @autochthon

    I'll finish your thought for you: it's Europe.
  68. Jack ryan says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.

    Just have your children marry Whites and give them Indian names and culture

    The President of Syria married an attractive White British woman

    They finesse religion

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    Marrying outside the caste is not just about outward appearance - I have a strong hunch that each Indian caste has subtle genetic differences in brain architecture which, in combination with nurture differences, leads to essentially different breeds of humans. Nietzsche said something similar.

    Almost all the dreamy, intellectual people I've met during my time at various elite Indian institutions have been Brahmins. The kind who would read Wikipedia for hours on end, with multiple tabs open at the same time. The kids from the merchant castes were usually more successful, because their intelligence, which was as good as that of the Brahmins', was focused, utilitarian and pragmatic. The warrior caste people were usually the cool kids, the ones with naturally good physiques and good social skills.

    Every caste views its own archetype as the best - a Brahmin would not be impressed by someone's BMW, a merchant caste would not care much about a research paper published in Nature, a warrior caste person would consider anyone who wasn't a cop or soldier to be unworthy.
    , @Ed
    Are you referring to the current president of Syria? If so she's not an ethnic Brit, she is a Syrian that was born in London.
  69. @(((King Curtis)))
    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    [T]hey really hate that they share a country with you.

    Yet they only do because their ancestors remorselessly murdered so many of ours to ensure they would…oh, wait: most of their ancestors, unlike ours, arrived under the banner of the Zeroth Amendment long after the rest of us went fought that nasty war, plus two others to ensure we didn’t all share a nation ruled from Londonistan, nevermind the dirty work of civilising a wilderness and creating a nation. Déclassé stuff, after all; it dirties one’s fingernails and makes callouses. And (((some of them in particular))) are especially above it, explaining their special contempt for us.

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  70. Yan Shen says:
    @(((King Curtis)))
    I don't know if you have any insight into this, but how do Asian-American students generally feel about competition from foreign Asians, if it's even a point of concern at all?

    Yeah it’s an interesting question. I would point out that there does appear to be a bit of a cultural divide between Asians who were either born in the United States or who came over at a very early age and grew up here versus recent immigrants from Asia.

    http://www.8asians.com/2013/04/30/the-abc-and-fob-divide/

    So not only is using the blanket term Asian American when discussing these kinds of issues hopelessly reductive because it fails to distinguish among East, Southeast, and South Asians, the latter whom are actually racially Caucasian, it also fails to acknowledge the cultural divide within specific groups in this country, treating the group instead as a monolithic whole.

    My suspicion is that among ABCs a larger percentage than most people realize are probably Trumpian in their views on issues such as immigration and foreign competition, including recent immigrants and non-citizens from Asia.

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don't seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.

    Some of the South Asians are, however.

    I think social activism might be an elite marker in Indian society, going all the way back to Gandhi. The Indian freedom movement was led by wealthy Anglicized lawyers and upper-income intellectuals. So, their kids’ involvement in such matters might not be as stigmatized by Indian immigrant parents and seen as not too big a step down or distraction from the real purpose of life, which is to make partner at Goldman Sachs or become a pediatric neurosurgeon.

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    • Replies: @anon

    I think social activism might be an elite marker in Indian society, going all the way back to Gandhi.
     
    or virtue-signalling only works in societies which have evolved a certain way or colonies of such societies.
  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    Yanny, the only discrimination yellow boys should worry about is sexual discrimination by yellow women. All else is fooey.

    It’s like Sailer’s piece “Is Humping Colorblind?” In Asia, yellow girls only knew yellow boys. So, they were okay with that. But once they go global and come to West, they have choice of wide range of men. Asian men have that choice too but women don’t like them. There was a news piece about some online dating site where Asian women were most popular among all men. They figure Asian women will be easy since, given the choice, they will choose superior non-Asian man over Asian man. In contrast, Asian men are least sought by women of all races. Asian women still go for Asian men but still prefer whites. With all the rap music stuff, I’ll bet many will go Negro. Consider the crazy Chinese ho who had her black boyfriend killed. And Ellen Pao would rather marry a homo Negro than a Chinese guy.

    Now, I believe in exism above all. Exism is exist-ism. Before all else is possible, you must exist. And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon. In Asia, yellow puds and poons came together and created more yellow boys and girls. In the West, yellow poons are popular but yellow puds aren’t. And as yellow girls become Americanized, they take on American attitudes which values black man highest as stud and yellow man(and maybe a Gomezer) lowest. (But Mexers, even short squat ones, find women cuz their standards are low. Asian guys got college degrees and want quality women. A Gomezer will settle for any woman who can make taco.) Anyway, an Exist(Exism-ist) must think in terms of securing one’s existence above all else.

    Now, yanny is alive only because a yellow man humped a yellow woman. He exists cuz of that meeting of pud and poon of his pa and ma. But suppose his pa and ma had grown up in the West. His ma would have taken on American attitudes and noticed that non-yellow men are superior. So, if Yannie’s pa had asked Yannie’s ma for marriage in the West, she would have flashed a sign “no dogs and chinese men allowed in my womb”. Then yanny wouldn’t exist. Yanny’s ma’s womb would have produced some kid for white man, Jewish man, or black man.

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    It’s like that movie BACK TO THE FUTURE. Michael J. Fox’s existence is at stake. He must go to the past to ensure that his pa meet his ma in order for him to exist.

    So, yanny, the real problem for you fellers is you are sexually rejected by yellow women. This matters because life comes first. Whether yanny gets college degree, has leftist thought, has rightist thoughts, is religious, is secular, and etc are all secondary. All that is possible ONLY BECAUSE he exists. Thus exism comes first. You must secure existence. In the West, yellow wombs reject yellow men and produce kids for other men. So, in the West, future yannies have a lower chance of coming into existence because yellow women(like yanny’s ma), if given a choice among various races of men, will likely choose outside her race. It’s like Chua has affection for her father but no attraction to men like that. (If her mother had grown up in the West, she most likely would have been like her daughter and married outside race.)

    So, if yellow men have sense, they should go back to Asia and close borders and put up sign, “You no come here and take our girl. She no longer so horny.” Yellows may be civilized and have long history, but their mentality isn’t much different from primitive Indian savage. Indian savage give white man his daughter for material goods. Why do yellow fathers come to west and give their girls to other men? Bigger houses and cars. Giving away wombs for cars. But then, humans are organisms and will give up identity, culture, and etc. just for better material life and comfort. To preserve culture, one has to value something more than comfort. It’s like some American Jews decide to live in Israel out of love and reverence. In material terms, he’s much better off in the US. But he has this historical bond with the holy land.

    Racial security means men’s control of land and wombs. Without land, you have no home turf and sacred territory to defend. Without wombs, there is no security for the future as all kids are born of women. Given those considerations, people must deal with reality. By global standards, asian males have the lowest market value sexually; therefore, it is stupid for yellow boys to venture outside Asia except as businessmen.

    The great tragedy of The West is afro-womb-colonization. Black men are not only coming to the West and having too many kids but colonizing wombs of white women on jungle fever. I was looking at youtube videos of street life in Paris and you often see white women with black men. And this is promoted by schools, pop culture, movies, and etc. And millions and millions of black men are headed to Europe. White European women don’t stand with white men but go with Negro men and use wombs to make babies for invader men. France is always exploding with non-white births, and those births are only from African wombs but white wombs.
    It’s the pleasure principle or meth-head principle. People will do what is pleasurable even if it leads to demise of system. If bigger dongs give women more pleasure, then white women will go with bigger dongs of Negroes. Pleasure trumps all. It’s like even people who know pigs are smart and shouldn’t be killed go on eating pork. Why? Pleasure of pork as food.
    When the Huns attacked Germanics, Germanics attacked Romans. Germanics got pushed, so they pushed against others. As Negroes conquer white wombs, white men are gonna seek compensation with yellow wombs. It’s the push effect.

    So, if yanny really thinks about the WHY of his existence, he will think of taking his kind back to his homeland and keeping the land and womenfolk for themselves and keeping out foreign devils. It’s the rule of exism. Be an Exist. Be like Michael J. Fox.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    'And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon.'

    I've come across your sage words before but neglected to reply. You seem intensely immature. Perhaps it's mainly emotional immaturity? At any rate, there are real, grown up words to describe what you do with the vocabulary of a high schooler. Incidentally, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're from Michigan? That's the only place I've really heard those lovely words, just curious. My guess also is you've tasted some of that Asian poon at least once. Doesn't have much taste, does it?
    , @BB753
    Alternatively, Asian men could settle for the ugliest Asian women in the West, or bring women over from the old country. Through arranged marriages, which still exist, or as "e-mail brides" .
    Rest assured that thankfully there's never gonna be a shortage of Chinamen or China Girls in this world. (would David Bowie's song be considered racist today? It must have made many a China Boy sad in its day)

    https://youtu.be/E_8IXx4tsus
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Somehow, I don't think that we'll be ceasing to exist anytime soon, though 'pud' and 'poon' is pretty amusing. As for myself, I've certainly experienced what they might call reduced sexual market value but it wasn't anything insurmountable.

    As far as other discrimination goes, to be frank, at the end of the day I actually do think that the free market largely solves problems. I've been in some remarkably "racist" Southern towns, but at the end of the day, I've managed relatively well despite driving jokes.

    Deep down inside, almost everyone is most loyal to the color of green.

  73. One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I’ve argued before is consequence of East Asia’s Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    That’s true of any race. A random black person is probably more likely to endorse corporal punishment and traditional gender roles than SJW activism, which only appeals to a minority of weirdos. Regardless of personal values, Asians are overwhelmingly Democratic voters and liberal on just about every issue you’d care to poll them on.

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    Yeah, it's the tiger motherism that makes them accept and promote SJWism.

    It's the ethos of the ruling class they want to move up into.

    Of course in reality it's their bullshit, not their actual ethos,but the tiger cubs don't know that.

  74. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    "denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country"

    I see whites denigrated more openly and far more often in the USA than Asians. And we are denigrated as genocidal monsters, not as nerds who have funny accents.

    What you and Steve Hsu show with his lawsuit against Harvard is that even many intelligent, conservative and HBD aware Asians have racial greviences against whites.

    On the affirmative action issue… it’s just part of America.

    And I suppose it makes some kind of sense. Asians are like 5% of population.

    Is it right for them to hog 40% of academia?

    So, I don’t mind shooing in non-Asians.

    All I want is honesty.

    I don’t want to hear this “we are for meritocracy, we don’t discriminate on race, and we have creative ways of … blah blah blah”.

    It’s like the bogus “I’m for free speech but not ‘hate speech’.”

    No, let’s have AA based on truth. Let’s admit some races are not as good at brainy stuff. However, let’s admit that, since US is diverse, it’s good for nation to have a broad representation than ethnic dominance in elite fields based purely on meritocracy of test-taking.

    I think we can all live with that. But so much AA talk is disingenuous and mealy mouthed.

    My attitude on the issue is like Steven Gutenberg in DINER when the other guy’s wondering if he’s gonna eat the sandwich. You want a piece? Then, ask for it. Don’t pretend it’s something else. Honest Sandwich Rule. Like John Lennon said, gimme some truth.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Notice that (((Paul Reiser))) is being defended by (((Daniel Stern))), leaving poor Steve Guttenberg out to dry.
    , @daniel le mouche
    Thanks for the Lennon song, I unbelievably had never heard it. Two of my favorite obscure ones by him are 'John Sinclair' and 'The Luck of the Irish'--my only problem with that one is his conclusion that 'you'd wish you was English instead'. Think not! 'Go on home, British soldiers' is a much better song, come to think of it.
    Not that it would interest most, but three other great John Lennon songs, in my opinion, are: How?, Working Class Hero, and Number Nine Dream.
  75. @Jeremy Cooper

    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I’ve argued before is consequence of East Asia’s Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

     

    That's true of any race. A random black person is probably more likely to endorse corporal punishment and traditional gender roles than SJW activism, which only appeals to a minority of weirdos. Regardless of personal values, Asians are overwhelmingly Democratic voters and liberal on just about every issue you'd care to poll them on.

    Yeah, it’s the tiger motherism that makes them accept and promote SJWism.

    It’s the ethos of the ruling class they want to move up into.

    Of course in reality it’s their bullshit, not their actual ethos,but the tiger cubs don’t know that.

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  76. @Yan Shen
    I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2014/03/13/jeffrey-guo-joins-financial-staff/?utm_term=.5dd8cb7a10cb

    “I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though.”

    Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    More likely Ken Jennings disease.
    , @Anon
    Math and economics are more suited for academia than Wall Street.

    Wall Street will hire number-crunchers, but executive types have to be social-savvy.
  77. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @(((King Curtis)))
    Care to elaborate on why you want your children to marry that way? And how caste impacts Indian immigrants in the U.S.? I find it quite an interesting topic.

    Everything neatly fits into place if you marry someone of your own subcaste, because their likes, dislikes and upbringing is likely to be very similar to your own. They will likely have similar political views, similar ideas on familial responsibilities, money management and so on. The merchant castes disdain formal education and want their kids to start small businesses ASAP, the academic castes prize academia, elite institutions and art, the martial castes value military and police service. Each subcaste has its own traditions, its own favored temples, its own variations in marriage, birth and death rituals, in some cases its own dialect.

    Intermarriage with other communities would make your life progressively harder the more different the other community is from yours. Of course, as India modernizes many of these old identities are dying out.

    My personal ranking for preferred spouses would be as follows
    Same subcaste, same area> Same caste, same area> same caste, different area> castes close to mine in habits and behavior > other hindu castes > Non-hindu Indians but from indian religions, like Sikhs and Jains > Christian Indians > Buddhist East/Southeast Asians > Whites and non Buddhist Asians > Hispanics > Blacks and Muslims.

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  78. t says:

    Look at this thread:

    Consonant with @_jeffguo, the Jewish experience as "model minorities" is often wildly misunderstood.It's not just some happy story of grit https://t.co/eHLOmgyuVF— Steven I. Weiss (@steveniweiss) April 16, 2017

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  79. donut says:
    @Jasper Been
    Imagine if you were trying to buy real estate between 2002 and 2008, and some racist/bigoted lender prevented you from getting a loan. Wouldn't you be relieved/grateful once that real estate bubble burst?

    Back in 2002-2003 I thought about buying a row house here in Towson . Thank God I kept getting buyer’s remorse before I bought rather than after .

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  80. donut says:
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    We are just punching up .

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  81. donut says:
    @(((King Curtis)))
    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls

    My admittedly limited experience confirms this

    My personal experience confirms this .

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack ryan
    Just have your children marry Whites and give them Indian names and culture

    The President of Syria married an attractive White British woman

    They finesse religion

    Marrying outside the caste is not just about outward appearance – I have a strong hunch that each Indian caste has subtle genetic differences in brain architecture which, in combination with nurture differences, leads to essentially different breeds of humans. Nietzsche said something similar.

    Almost all the dreamy, intellectual people I’ve met during my time at various elite Indian institutions have been Brahmins. The kind who would read Wikipedia for hours on end, with multiple tabs open at the same time. The kids from the merchant castes were usually more successful, because their intelligence, which was as good as that of the Brahmins’, was focused, utilitarian and pragmatic. The warrior caste people were usually the cool kids, the ones with naturally good physiques and good social skills.

    Every caste views its own archetype as the best – a Brahmin would not be impressed by someone’s BMW, a merchant caste would not care much about a research paper published in Nature, a warrior caste person would consider anyone who wasn’t a cop or soldier to be unworthy.

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  83. “Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution.”

    No. He was writing at the MIT school paper all four years. As long as we’re stereotyping, I’d guess he always wanted to be a writer but Mom and Dad wanted him to degree in a STEM subject. Then once he got out, he had the writing resume plus a tech degree, which would easily get him a job at a paper. Bet mom and dad are still pissed.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Bet mom and dad are still pissed.
     
    Judging by the quality of his twitter feed, they should be.
    , @Yan Shen
    And as long as we're uh stereotyping, I would further surmise that Mr. Guo's Washington Post articles aren't written in the usual fashion whereby one first thinks of a topic to write about and then writes about it, but rather are the result of the infinite monkey theorem, whereby Mr. Guo randomly grinds out all possible alphabetic permutations and the editors at the Washington Post then pick the specific ones that they feel would make for a good publishable article...
  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    No one said Asian IQ is on par with Jewish IQ.

    Jewish IQ has been measured at 110 to 115.

    East Asian IQ is 99 or 100, though maybe 105 in elite centers of the nation.

    Hindu IQ ranges like a mofo. It goes from very high to tarded. India is genetically very diverse.

    There are surely various ways of discrimination at upper reaches of society. Also, Jews can get away with it more. It's okay to call out on 'racist' Wasps, but it's still troublesome to talk of Jewish over-representation.

    But that kind of discrimination will be found anywhere and in all societies.

    My belief is that a nation should not allow minorities to rise above middle position in management except in rare cases where the person is truly talented.

    It's gonna be crazy stupid for Canada to allow Hindus and Chinese to take over elite positions in society. There goes Canada.

    I’m referring to Indian-American IQ, not that of Indians as a whole. The former are a very selected subset of Indians, and are numerically in the same range as Ashkenazi Jewish Americans.

    https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/09/29/the-incredible-intelligence-of-indian-americans/

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  85. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don't seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.

    East asian Americans complain about only being 20% not 40% of the Ivy League. But do any of them write in English at the 99.99 percentile? At 20% of the Ivy League and more at Stanford, you’d expect a lot more great writers in many fields, but I can’t think of any. The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.

    It isn’t racism since there are plenty of blacks and south asians doing these things.

    The current crop of freshman will be mid career in 2040. AI will be doing a lot more than know, and non algorithmic human skills will be at the higher premium than even now.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    East Asians were directing Fast and Furious movies during their big middle phase, but the last six were written by Chris Morgan, a white guy.

    Maybe this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    He wrote the sci-fi short story that the movie "Arrival" was based on. I thought the movie was pretty good, but people who had read his story just raved about the movie.
    , @Anon
    "The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian."

    I see a good number of East Asian journalists, but most of news is 'fake news', so you get same PC crap.

    Most of screenwriting is following the formula. Impersonal.

    Whit Stillman and few others are real 'auteurs' in the true sense of the world.

    I think globalism is making things less interesting. Without roots and some kind of cultural foundation, everyone sounds the same.

    The couple in LOVE STORY is moving away from roots, but they still have roots in something real. Italian life or Wasp life(when it had unique character).

    But it seems like we are living in the age of the children of the children of LOVE STORY. And these globots are without character.

    It's no wonder we have green hair people, tattoos, piercings, and other idiocies. Or pussy hats. Without roots, people seek some kind of identity by creating new fashions.

    But the old identities were so much better.

    Wong Kar Wai has a great eye but his movies are vapid because his characters are globots. They aint chinese, they aint european, they aint nothing. Just fashionistas.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I think its partly cultural. I actually won some awards when younger, but stopped completely after parental discouragement and overwhelming SJW influence in writing groups. Its pretty annoying after awhile if the fundamental strain of your writing, e.g. pro-religion, is attacked by fellows for being such.

    Oddly enough, I did most of my work with a random Anglo-Jewish pseudonym.

  86. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.
     
    And if you're an Asian wanting a piece of that social justice leadership pie, blame whites for your success:

    https://twitter.com/_jeffguo/status/853321032953974785

    I find it hilarious that anyone thinks we need extra special ways to denigrate blacks. Even nowadays, post-Magic Negro President, when you can’t cast a non-black PHD in any movie, tv show, or commercial…I mean, come on. Just look at them.

    The hard work is trying not to denigrate them.

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  87. @Anon
    ROTFL.

    I like #5. They are mentally ill.

    Actually, I've seen lots of attractive Indian women. I suppose it's a matter of taste. Also, there is a wide variance of types among Hindus. Some look almost like Australian Aborigines. Some look like brown whites. Some look like Persians.

    But I never liked saris, I don't care for the dot on head, and I CAN'T STAND NOSE-RINGS.

    I just don't get it. In the 70s, your average American made fun of nose-rings on Hindus.

    In the 90s, I began to see white and black girls get nose rings. Why? Worse than that, tongue-rings.

    Everyone is turning mentally ill.

    “In the 90s, I began to see white and black girls get nose rings. Why? Worse than that, tongue-rings.

    Everyone is turning mentally ill.”

    Agree that nose rings are gross. Nostrils are gross. Having to put your hand up a nostril to take a stud in or out is yucky to contemplate. Also those ear piercings that go into the ear. Again, the inside of the body is gross and other people shouldn’t have to look at your ears (or nose) and think about what you have to do to take jewelry on or off.

    One earing for each ear at the bottom of the lobes. Females and male slaves from ancient Rome only. Everything else…. don’t do it.

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  88. @Hapalong Cassidy
    "I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though."

    Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution.

    More likely Ken Jennings disease.

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  89. @education realist
    "Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution."

    No. He was writing at the MIT school paper all four years. As long as we're stereotyping, I'd guess he always wanted to be a writer but Mom and Dad wanted him to degree in a STEM subject. Then once he got out, he had the writing resume plus a tech degree, which would easily get him a job at a paper. Bet mom and dad are still pissed.

    Bet mom and dad are still pissed.

    Judging by the quality of his twitter feed, they should be.

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  90. @Lot
    East asian Americans complain about only being 20% not 40% of the Ivy League. But do any of them write in English at the 99.99 percentile? At 20% of the Ivy League and more at Stanford, you'd expect a lot more great writers in many fields, but I can't think of any. The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.

    It isn't racism since there are plenty of blacks and south asians doing these things.

    The current crop of freshman will be mid career in 2040. AI will be doing a lot more than know, and non algorithmic human skills will be at the higher premium than even now.

    East Asians were directing Fast and Furious movies during their big middle phase, but the last six were written by Chris Morgan, a white guy.

    Maybe this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    He wrote the sci-fi short story that the movie “Arrival” was based on. I thought the movie was pretty good, but people who had read his story just raved about the movie.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Writing Fast and Furious requires a lot of creativity?
    "Hows the script going?"
    "I'm really moving along!"
    "Great.Whatcha got?"
    "Dom in garage.Punches a cop. 20 minute car chase..."
  91. Yan Shen says:
    @education realist
    "Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution."

    No. He was writing at the MIT school paper all four years. As long as we're stereotyping, I'd guess he always wanted to be a writer but Mom and Dad wanted him to degree in a STEM subject. Then once he got out, he had the writing resume plus a tech degree, which would easily get him a job at a paper. Bet mom and dad are still pissed.

    And as long as we’re uh stereotyping, I would further surmise that Mr. Guo’s Washington Post articles aren’t written in the usual fashion whereby one first thinks of a topic to write about and then writes about it, but rather are the result of the infinite monkey theorem, whereby Mr. Guo randomly grinds out all possible alphabetic permutations and the editors at the Washington Post then pick the specific ones that they feel would make for a good publishable article…

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  92. J1234 says:

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.

    Comedian Chris Rock took that idea a bit further in one of his standup routines (without understanding what he was saying, I believe.) He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”

    I don’t believe that’s historically accurate, but if it is? It means what, exactly?? I guess I’d have less a problem with affirmative action if blackness was recognized as a form of (genetically engineered) mental retardation.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    But as the Foreign Policy article said, there is no successful black nation anywhere.

    Also, black Americans are better off than Africans... which is why Africans wanna come to US, but blacks don't wanna go back to Africa.

    Also, Meso-Americans were conquered and enslaved and enserfed. But their problems are different from blacks.

    A simple mind trick. If US had enslaved Asians or Hindus, would we have same problem? A different problem, to be sure, but the kind of problem that we have with blacks? No way.

    Look at Sweden. Many blacks arrive there as free people and are showered with goodies. They cause problems.

    Look at Somalis in US. A big mess.
    , @daniel le mouche
    'He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”'

    I've never heard that theory, but it should be taken seriously. Look at what some of the modern nightmare revolutions have done. Indonesia, Cambodia, I don't know all the other places. The first to go were the intellectuals. How devastating is that for many future generations? It's all about death and destruction, all humans seem to be really good at.
    , @dr kill
    You are close, but this is the real truth, the smart Africans captured and sold all the lame, weak, slow and stupid Africans into slavery. That modern AAs have any ability at all is a miracle.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Slaveowners were aghast at the idea of mixing with slaves,as the resultant child would be more ambitious and defiant. I don't think they did a whole lot of killing of slaves,as slaves cost money.
    It would be like a guy buying a Ford Escort and seeing its not a very good car...driving it off a cliff. Not good use of money.
    When blacks were freed,there resulted a large amount of mixing between white males and black females and the race got smarter after all.
  93. O'Really says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the Jeff Guos and Jay Caspian Kangs don't seem real sharp. Some of the South Asians are, however.

    Jeff Guo has a strong academic background, as has been noted. But there must be an interesting explanation as to why his ideological commitments so thoroughly overwhelm his common sense.

    Here is an account of how he had to retract a large chunk from a WaPo story after finding out he had been duped by a source who told him a fake story he wanted to hear (where have we seen that before?):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/05/new-washington-post-project-discloses-fabrications-from-a-source/?utm_term=.b77cf5c00adf

    The unredacted article is still a fascinating exhibit — he spends nearly 3000 words trying to figure out why gay black men contract HIV:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/04/the-black-hiv-epidemic-a-public-health-mystery-and-love-story-from-atlantas-gay-community/?utm_term=.a21897f6395f

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  94. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Sullivan should specify the area of success.

    It's true Asians do better at math and science and drone-occupations.

    But blacks succeed a lot more in other areas, indeed those areas deemed cool. Sports, music, sex, booty-call, yapping, comedy, and etc.

    So, in some ways, Asians are successes, in some ways failures.

    Also, huge difference between Asian female and Asian male. I think it's more accurate to divide Asian-America into American-Female-America and Asian-Male-America. The former is much more successful sexually. Because men of all races seek out Asian women, Asian women have gold value. Because no women want Asian men, they have lead value. But homo Asian men may be more successful. Women seek big dongs but homos just seek some bung to pork. So, even an Asian homo with smaller dong has a bung to pork. So, George Takei is a sexual success since all he has to do is play biatch. No wonder Takei is the face of Asian American malehood. Only has value as homos with bungs.

    “no women want Asian men”
    I see where you’re coming from, but…
    I suspect even a fairly average Asian man (in the US), with a college degree and a paying job with even a little status, could score at least an average white girl. Of course he might not realize this, or he might think he deserves better, but he probably could.

    “men of all races seek out Asian women”
    I’ve met some black guys that don’t mince words.

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    An amusing thought to add to the nativist arguments - I dated quite a few white girls, but not a single one of them was WASP. If there weren't any Irish or French in the US, I wouldn't be able to miscegenate at all.
  95. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    East asian Americans complain about only being 20% not 40% of the Ivy League. But do any of them write in English at the 99.99 percentile? At 20% of the Ivy League and more at Stanford, you'd expect a lot more great writers in many fields, but I can't think of any. The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.

    It isn't racism since there are plenty of blacks and south asians doing these things.

    The current crop of freshman will be mid career in 2040. AI will be doing a lot more than know, and non algorithmic human skills will be at the higher premium than even now.

    “The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.”

    I see a good number of East Asian journalists, but most of news is ‘fake news’, so you get same PC crap.

    Most of screenwriting is following the formula. Impersonal.

    Whit Stillman and few others are real ‘auteurs’ in the true sense of the world.

    I think globalism is making things less interesting. Without roots and some kind of cultural foundation, everyone sounds the same.

    The couple in LOVE STORY is moving away from roots, but they still have roots in something real. Italian life or Wasp life(when it had unique character).

    But it seems like we are living in the age of the children of the children of LOVE STORY. And these globots are without character.

    It’s no wonder we have green hair people, tattoos, piercings, and other idiocies. Or pussy hats. Without roots, people seek some kind of identity by creating new fashions.

    But the old identities were so much better.

    Wong Kar Wai has a great eye but his movies are vapid because his characters are globots. They aint chinese, they aint european, they aint nothing. Just fashionistas.

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    I think globalism is making things less interesting.
     
    Intensely so. Years ago, we used to deplore the homogenization/McDonaldsization of America, a cultural sentiment that was considered part of the standard views of the great and good.

    Now, one doesn't hear a peep about what the end game of globalization is, a world of dull sameness, everything only differentiated by a ritual, but meaningless bit, of humanity injection, the artisanal movement, into trivial luxury items.
  96. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @J1234

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.
     
    Comedian Chris Rock took that idea a bit further in one of his standup routines (without understanding what he was saying, I believe.) He said, "slave owners killed all the smart slaves."

    I don't believe that's historically accurate, but if it is? It means what, exactly?? I guess I'd have less a problem with affirmative action if blackness was recognized as a form of (genetically engineered) mental retardation.

    But as the Foreign Policy article said, there is no successful black nation anywhere.

    Also, black Americans are better off than Africans… which is why Africans wanna come to US, but blacks don’t wanna go back to Africa.

    Also, Meso-Americans were conquered and enslaved and enserfed. But their problems are different from blacks.

    A simple mind trick. If US had enslaved Asians or Hindus, would we have same problem? A different problem, to be sure, but the kind of problem that we have with blacks? No way.

    Look at Sweden. Many blacks arrive there as free people and are showered with goodies. They cause problems.

    Look at Somalis in US. A big mess.

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    'there is no successful black nation anywhere.'

    Sabotage! Do you think whitey leaves these people alone, or actually tries to help them? For example, there's Ghana, formerly the British Gold Coast. It's first president was Kwame Nkrumah. He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot. See E Michael Jones on this, I don't remember which video.
    Flash forward. Are Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bono etc. up to lots of good regarding Africans? They certainly can't keep their fingers out of the pie, and seem to be indeed very passionate about their work on the dark continent. But why, and what is that work? Then there are the western oil companies with feifdoms in Nigeria, complete with private armies. The list certainly goes on and on. What about Kadafi's murder and the utter destruction of his progressive-thinking Libya, which within a few months was returned to the stone age? But no, Africans just can't make a success of their countries!
  97. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    “I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I’ve argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn’t countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.”

    There is truth in that, but you gotta remember this: In the US, only four people matter.

    1. Whites. While it’s true that whites are most bashed, they are also most desired. Everyone, including your family, wants to come to white nation. Everyone wants to live near whites. Everyone trusts whites more than other races. Everyone would be happier if daughter married white than black or brown.

    2. Jews. Jews have lots of power. And their wit, humor, creativity have won them fans. Seinfeld. They have Holocaust thing. A holy people.

    3. Blacks. In some ways, many people fear and even hate blacks. But they love blacks on tv, sports, music, and etc. So, blacks have cool factor. And they got slavery narrative. Now, Asians have tragic narrative too, but watching asians suffer isn’t as dramatic cuz they aren’t good divas of suffering.

    4. Homos. This is more recent, but the homo rise is surely the fast and most ridiculous in America. But Homos are holy.

    As for the rest, they don’t matter. It’s just the way it is. It aint just Asians. Ask Muslims… who only got some attention FINALLY as pawns against Trump. Who cares about Palestinians? Ok, some in BDS do, but most Americans don’t care. And most American attitude toward Mexican is ‘pick tomaters’. And Hindus are made fun of cuz of their accent, but Hindus laugh along. Hindus do get humor and mockery. In high school in early 80s, a Pakistani twins were mocked by white guys for being Muslims. Whites couldn’t tell different between Pakis and Iranians who were hated then. But the Pakis had a sense of humor about it and laughed along. And they became super patriotic nuts who joined US military and etc.

    In the end, it’s not so much the suffering or victimhood but the dramatics, charismatics, and showmanship of victimhood that matters. It’s like when chicken george cried when his chicken got killed. Dang, it was so sad watching Ben Vereen crying with saliva drooling out of his mouth. That got to me as a kid. And Jews created a holy cult of Anne Frank as new virgin mary.
    And homos are so flamboyant in their ‘victimhood’.

    Expression counts. It’s like Guernica the painting. The actual bombing was minor compared to others. Not many were killed, but Picasso drew a powerful painting of it, so the town became mythologized.

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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor

    and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn’t be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?
     
    I would be very interested in seeing these false, negative stereotypes for myself. Say, the top five.

    the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.
     
    This old joke is the perfect one-liner to sum up all of non-core Americans' bullshit. Can't believe I never thought of it myself.

    The only thing worse for nonwhites than having to live in a country built by whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country built by whites.
     
    That's pretty good too.

    They will never concede that the country was built by whites.

    They do all sorts of mental contortions to create a multicultural past that didn’t exist. We see in movies, education and Google doodles that many people are working hard to make American history simply disappear – replaced with a new, improved and inclusive history that was hidden from us by white supremacists all these years!

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    working hard to make American history simply disappear
     
    to make white people disappear
  99. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    East Asians were directing Fast and Furious movies during their big middle phase, but the last six were written by Chris Morgan, a white guy.

    Maybe this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    He wrote the sci-fi short story that the movie "Arrival" was based on. I thought the movie was pretty good, but people who had read his story just raved about the movie.

    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.

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    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.
     
    I used to think that the only French phrase worth using was je ne sais quoi but I see that others feel differently about that.

    By the way, je ne sais pas means "I don't know."
    , @res

    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing
     
    The first part is true AFAICT, but it's hard to argue with the quality of his output. Four Nebulas and four Hugos from fifteen total works?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    I for one wish he was more prolific. I would not be surprised if he is making a conscious choice to only write when he has something especially interesting to say. Much easier to do that when not dependent on creative writing to pay the rent.
    , @Anonymous
    White gentiles are even more underrepresented in the Ivy League. How represented are they in the American culture industry? They don't seem overrepresented in it like blacks and Jews are.

    At least part of the degree of representation in the American culture industry is determined by the monopolistic nature of the industry's distribution channels and by influence over those channels. Jews and blacks have been overrepresented in this influence. With the decline of some of the monopolistic power of these distribution channels due to the internet and social media recently, we've been seeing alternative cultural products rise in popularity that are not just at odds with the products of the American culture industry but are actively hostile and antagonistic towards it. This suggests that the monopolistic character of the industry has been quite important.
  100. @(((King Curtis)))
    You know who else is considered acceptable to mock: white southerners. For anyone from the Deep South out there, I cannot even begin to describe how much many of my fellow New Yorkers, especially (((New Yorkers))), truly despise you. Their jokes are not good-natured ribbing; they really hate that they share a country with you.

    We know very well.

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  101. @Yan Shen
    I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2014/03/13/jeffrey-guo-joins-financial-staff/?utm_term=.5dd8cb7a10cb

    Hi Yan,
    You fellows are obviously bright as a button and switched on, but we in the West don’t need a billion of you. Stay home. Thanks.

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  102. @Anonymous
    Ever since that 'RawMuscleGlutes' affair, I can't help but snicker a little bit whenever I see Andrew's name.

    Oh well he's moved on, and he's correct in this piece - I hope he survives this one.

    A bit put off by his ass kissing of Asians.Far as I am concerned Asians can take their social justice loving flat behinds back where they came from.
    “But we must defend aflican American against evil whitey!

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  103. Jeff Guo twits:

    17. Basically, Asian Americans have to work harder and stay in school longer to make the same money as whites.

    Economists have looked for, but not found, an Asian American wage gap after adjusting for schooling.

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  104. I wonder…did the removal of this gentleman from the airplane expose the soft underbelly of racism?

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  105. discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc.

    Repeating the narrative enough may make it the Narrative, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

    Take a population of Chinese-American immigrants and whites, all with the same academic index score combining grades and test results. The average ability of the Chinese will be lower than the average of the whites, due to having worked harder but obtained the same result. The college admission office is understaffed this year, so they replace human readers by a computer program that selects from this population of Chinese and white applicants using a simple algorithm: count the number of appearances of words like “brilliant” and “exceptional” in the recommendation letters, and admit the 2000 applicants with the highest counts. Do the two groups do equally well under this computerized, non-holistic admission system?

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  106. anon says: • Disclaimer

    In game theory simulations actors with “selfish” programming gradually lose to actors with “humanitarian” programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

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    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Gentrifying journalists in D.C. and Brooklyn tend to get really worked up over Ferguson.
    , @Desiderius

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.
     
    That's what I mean about passive voice. Even if you're trying to defend the target rather than pile on, you're looking in the wrong place.
    , @vinteuil
    "A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it."

    Natural for humans. When you try to direct a dog's attention at something by pointing - he looks at you.

    Dogs are smart.
    , @Ivy
    Game theory exists, mainly in academia.

    Elsewhere, "game theory" is in evidence. Lay people are being led to believe that there really isn't any formatting of words or ideas in real life, despite what they see with their lyin' eyes.

    Change the game, just pretend that you haven't, and you could land a job in the MSM, on The Street, or in the advanced course, through the DC revolving door.
    , @Opinionator
    That is incorrect. In game theory simulations, selfish people prevail over humanitarian ones.
    , @Lot
    You can design games to reward altruism or selfishness or anything in between. It would be pretty dull if one strategy always worked.
  107. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Asian success undermines the media’s anti-white narrative which is necessary to keep the anti-white coalition pointing at the right target.

    That’s why the media like Asians to be invisible.

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  108. Ed says:
    @Jack ryan
    Just have your children marry Whites and give them Indian names and culture

    The President of Syria married an attractive White British woman

    They finesse religion

    Are you referring to the current president of Syria? If so she’s not an ethnic Brit, she is a Syrian that was born in London.

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  109. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    Actually I suspect that the choice of an old Asian-American to kick off the plane was because he was an old Asian-American.

    Wouldn't you expect that such a person when faced with a group of much larger and younger males would just comply?

    iirc 3-4 people were removed from the plane so that theory could be easily tested by looking at the other 3.

    Wouldn’t you expect that such a person when faced with a group of much larger and younger males would just comply?

    Not really. Verbally aggressive people in a civilized society generally think they can get away with verbal bullying so physical size only kicks in in environments where normal rules don’t apply.

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  110. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Frau Katze
    Good point. I don't know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    I have heard that many Chinese are agnostic or atheist. So are many whites. That would make intermarriage easier.

    I guess one would have to see how many white women are marrying Chinese men. If it's mostly the opposite that would argue against that explanation.

    I don’t know why they (Hindus, Sikhs) intermarry less.

    They have a version of arranged cousin marriage just not as extreme as Muslims (caste, gotra etc are effectively looser forms of cousin marriage).

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  111. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    If East Asian-American and Indian American IQ is really as high as Jewish IQ, they should hold equally powerful positions in American society. But Jews look whiter than Chinese, Japanese or Indians, that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities.

    To be fair, there is no evidence that discrimination against Asians is not happening.

    To be fair, there is ample evidence of discrimination against non-Jewish White people.

    that might be one explanation for the discrepancy in societal power between them and other equally-talented minorities

    Another reason they’re not doing as well (yet) as other nepotistic minorities is they have had less time to burrow in.

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  112. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general

    people who work in the media have to follow the narrative or they’d be fired

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  113. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    For all the talk about how the Overton Window has shifted to the right lately, it's a little discouraging to see that the "strong families/hard work" narrative, which has been the basic, standard conservative talking point for a generation or so, is now beyond the pale.

    that’s the point. the narrative is crumbling and it’s becoming harder to manufacture consent – once that stage is reached the mask comes off and it’s 100% coercion / gulags instead.

    it has to get worse before it can get better (if it gets better) – like a fever

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  114. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @PiltdownMan

    Some of the South Asians are, however.
     
    I think social activism might be an elite marker in Indian society, going all the way back to Gandhi. The Indian freedom movement was led by wealthy Anglicized lawyers and upper-income intellectuals. So, their kids' involvement in such matters might not be as stigmatized by Indian immigrant parents and seen as not too big a step down or distraction from the real purpose of life, which is to make partner at Goldman Sachs or become a pediatric neurosurgeon.

    I think social activism might be an elite marker in Indian society, going all the way back to Gandhi.

    or virtue-signalling only works in societies which have evolved a certain way or colonies of such societies.

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  115. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    They will never concede that the country was built by whites.

    They do all sorts of mental contortions to create a multicultural past that didn't exist. We see in movies, education and Google doodles that many people are working hard to make American history simply disappear - replaced with a new, improved and inclusive history that was hidden from us by white supremacists all these years!

    working hard to make American history simply disappear

    to make white people disappear

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  116. Arclight says:

    Sullivan has been hard to like for quite awhile, but he has consistently opposed “hate crime” laws and doesn’t go for the progressive fiction on race.

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  117. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous
    I think it's the hold of our religion and to some extent the caste system (although this is much weaker in communities outside of India).

    I would be extremely disappointed if my male or female children married individuals of other races. I'd prefer them to marry Indians, preferably Hindu, preferably from my part of India, preferably from my caste and subcaste.

    Granted, marriage with whites would probably make my grandchildren more attractive and more likely to succeed in Western society, but I'd still be unhappy about how things turned out.

    The way things are going, you’ll be lucky if your daughters don’t get knocked up by an “aspiring rapper” and your sons don’t end up lonely and childless. Modern American society is poison.

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  118. @syonredux

    It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it?
     
    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    Note how even this bit of crimethink is limited in scope, bringing up nurture but not nature (e.g., the East Asian mean IQ is higher than the Black mean IQ).

    When Murray and Herrnstein were working on The Bell Curve, they were a little worried that their centrality-and-immutability-of-intelligence point would actually strengthen the welfare state, because it left less room for personal responsibility. But for some reason, progressives turned out to be much more comfortable with “NAMs are capable of better decision-making but just don’t follow through” than “NAMs are stuck with an ineradicable handicap.”

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  119. @Anon
    "Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?"

    Uh oh... why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    "We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc."

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It's been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won't even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless... like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they're arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.

    ‘Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.’

    Maybe they’re just quietly laughing (or crying) to themselves, as their culture has so much infinitely more depth than the American, at least the modern American. Anyone who’s ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean. They’re sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).

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    Anyone who’s ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean.

    So the average Indian-American wouldn't know what you mean, then.

    They’re sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).


    If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you've either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you've bought into some kind of story someone told you.

    But I will grant you that they're not violent.
    , @Nico
    Which Hindus? Most Hindus Americans are familiar with are of the Brahmin or slightly lower castes, both more intelligent than the average and smart enough not to go looking for trouble where they are outnumbered (unlike, say, consanguine Arab Muslim jihadists). The average IQ in the overwhelmingly majority-Hindu India last I checked was in the low 80s and the country's rapport with several of the bordering nations is hardly what I would call "peaceful coexistence."
  120. @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    ‘The idea that one’s lot in life isn’t within one’s own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one’s control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.’

    I remember well the shock I encountered on first going to east Asia. I was young and foolishly looking for a society that wasn’t based on competition. Buddhism seemed to appeal.
    There are no people on earth more competitive! They live and breath competition. That is all life is to them, it seemed. (I’m exagerrating a bit–it wasn’t all that bad, and most I encountered were lots of fun. The ladies could be fun too of course, but there was a feeling of ruthlessness I also got from them, as in (like everywhere) only the baddest muthaf***** interested them.)

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  121. @Anon
    On the affirmative action issue... it's just part of America.

    And I suppose it makes some kind of sense. Asians are like 5% of population.

    Is it right for them to hog 40% of academia?

    So, I don't mind shooing in non-Asians.

    All I want is honesty.

    I don't want to hear this "we are for meritocracy, we don't discriminate on race, and we have creative ways of ... blah blah blah".

    It's like the bogus "I'm for free speech but not 'hate speech'."

    No, let's have AA based on truth. Let's admit some races are not as good at brainy stuff. However, let's admit that, since US is diverse, it's good for nation to have a broad representation than ethnic dominance in elite fields based purely on meritocracy of test-taking.

    I think we can all live with that. But so much AA talk is disingenuous and mealy mouthed.

    My attitude on the issue is like Steven Gutenberg in DINER when the other guy's wondering if he's gonna eat the sandwich. You want a piece? Then, ask for it. Don't pretend it's something else. Honest Sandwich Rule. Like John Lennon said, gimme some truth.

    https://youtu.be/F3QANzPkkR4?t=1m55s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM

    Notice that (((Paul Reiser))) is being defended by (((Daniel Stern))), leaving poor Steve Guttenberg out to dry.

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    Notice that (((Paul Reiser))) is being defended by (((Daniel Stern))), leaving poor Steve Guttenberg out to dry.
     
    Guttenberg seems perfectly capable of hanging himself out to dry without any assistance from the other two.
  122. @Anon
    On the affirmative action issue... it's just part of America.

    And I suppose it makes some kind of sense. Asians are like 5% of population.

    Is it right for them to hog 40% of academia?

    So, I don't mind shooing in non-Asians.

    All I want is honesty.

    I don't want to hear this "we are for meritocracy, we don't discriminate on race, and we have creative ways of ... blah blah blah".

    It's like the bogus "I'm for free speech but not 'hate speech'."

    No, let's have AA based on truth. Let's admit some races are not as good at brainy stuff. However, let's admit that, since US is diverse, it's good for nation to have a broad representation than ethnic dominance in elite fields based purely on meritocracy of test-taking.

    I think we can all live with that. But so much AA talk is disingenuous and mealy mouthed.

    My attitude on the issue is like Steven Gutenberg in DINER when the other guy's wondering if he's gonna eat the sandwich. You want a piece? Then, ask for it. Don't pretend it's something else. Honest Sandwich Rule. Like John Lennon said, gimme some truth.

    https://youtu.be/F3QANzPkkR4?t=1m55s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM

    Thanks for the Lennon song, I unbelievably had never heard it. Two of my favorite obscure ones by him are ‘John Sinclair’ and ‘The Luck of the Irish’–my only problem with that one is his conclusion that ‘you’d wish you was English instead’. Think not! ‘Go on home, British soldiers’ is a much better song, come to think of it.
    Not that it would interest most, but three other great John Lennon songs, in my opinion, are: How?, Working Class Hero, and Number Nine Dream.

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    'Woman' is a great song. Some critic said it was derivative of 'If I Fell',which is my fave Beatle tune.
    Still a good song. I think Lennon felt his solo songs were better than Paul's.
  123. @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    Gentrifying journalists in D.C. and Brooklyn tend to get really worked up over Ferguson.

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    yeah - all politics aside if game theory is correct then virtue signalling could be an evolved response in the humanitarian actor vs selfish actor battle. interesting thought anyway.
  124. @J1234

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.
     
    Comedian Chris Rock took that idea a bit further in one of his standup routines (without understanding what he was saying, I believe.) He said, "slave owners killed all the smart slaves."

    I don't believe that's historically accurate, but if it is? It means what, exactly?? I guess I'd have less a problem with affirmative action if blackness was recognized as a form of (genetically engineered) mental retardation.

    ‘He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”’

    I’ve never heard that theory, but it should be taken seriously. Look at what some of the modern nightmare revolutions have done. Indonesia, Cambodia, I don’t know all the other places. The first to go were the intellectuals. How devastating is that for many future generations? It’s all about death and destruction, all humans seem to be really good at.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    daniel, Smart by what standards? Intellectual? Why would you kill off a field hand that understood the work requirements after only one explanation or a stable boy who knew enough not to bed the horses down wet. Maybe he meant the slaves who were inventing clocks, and traffic signals and atomic reactors. Those slave were dangerous.
    , @Opinionator
    Does a master want imbeciles working for her?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The slaves were by definition, those who were stupid enough to get caught in the first place. There must be some selection filter there.
  125. @Anon
    But as the Foreign Policy article said, there is no successful black nation anywhere.

    Also, black Americans are better off than Africans... which is why Africans wanna come to US, but blacks don't wanna go back to Africa.

    Also, Meso-Americans were conquered and enslaved and enserfed. But their problems are different from blacks.

    A simple mind trick. If US had enslaved Asians or Hindus, would we have same problem? A different problem, to be sure, but the kind of problem that we have with blacks? No way.

    Look at Sweden. Many blacks arrive there as free people and are showered with goodies. They cause problems.

    Look at Somalis in US. A big mess.

    ‘there is no successful black nation anywhere.’

    Sabotage! Do you think whitey leaves these people alone, or actually tries to help them? For example, there’s Ghana, formerly the British Gold Coast. It’s first president was Kwame Nkrumah. He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot. See E Michael Jones on this, I don’t remember which video.
    Flash forward. Are Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bono etc. up to lots of good regarding Africans? They certainly can’t keep their fingers out of the pie, and seem to be indeed very passionate about their work on the dark continent. But why, and what is that work? Then there are the western oil companies with feifdoms in Nigeria, complete with private armies. The list certainly goes on and on. What about Kadafi’s murder and the utter destruction of his progressive-thinking Libya, which within a few months was returned to the stone age? But no, Africans just can’t make a success of their countries!

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    He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot.

    Right, and after Kennedy got shot, America didn't descent into third-world style chaos and poverty, did it?

    If your plan for becoming a successful developed country rests entirely on one guy saving you, you don't have a plan for becoming a successful developed country.

    And anyway, Nkumrah died of prostate cancer.

    , @Ed
    Nkrumah wasn't shot, he lost support of cocoa farmers & in the Ashanti Region, and was removed during a coup. He died six years later in Guinea.
    , @guest
    They can't keep their fingers out of lots of pies, not just African pies. And the rest of the world ain't Africa. Even the Mid-East ain't Africa, to say nothing of Western imperialist meddling in East Asia, for instance.
  126. @ScarletNumber
    Notice that (((Paul Reiser))) is being defended by (((Daniel Stern))), leaving poor Steve Guttenberg out to dry.

    Notice that (((Paul Reiser))) is being defended by (((Daniel Stern))), leaving poor Steve Guttenberg out to dry.

    Guttenberg seems perfectly capable of hanging himself out to dry without any assistance from the other two.

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  127. @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    That’s what I mean about passive voice. Even if you’re trying to defend the target rather than pile on, you’re looking in the wrong place.

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  128. @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    Confuciuanism has some narratives which can be SJWized. I have since concluded that SJWs don’t need a coherent body of narrative to take over, just even one part is enough.

    Only Islam can resist with ridiculously hardline understanding.

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  129. @Lot
    East asian Americans complain about only being 20% not 40% of the Ivy League. But do any of them write in English at the 99.99 percentile? At 20% of the Ivy League and more at Stanford, you'd expect a lot more great writers in many fields, but I can't think of any. The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian.

    It isn't racism since there are plenty of blacks and south asians doing these things.

    The current crop of freshman will be mid career in 2040. AI will be doing a lot more than know, and non algorithmic human skills will be at the higher premium than even now.

    I think its partly cultural. I actually won some awards when younger, but stopped completely after parental discouragement and overwhelming SJW influence in writing groups. Its pretty annoying after awhile if the fundamental strain of your writing, e.g. pro-religion, is attacked by fellows for being such.

    Oddly enough, I did most of my work with a random Anglo-Jewish pseudonym.

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  130. Altrabbi says:

    It’s funny how Sullivan explains Asian vs. blacks outcomes through culture, when everyone likely remembers that Sullivan believes in HBD and used to promote open discussion on the topic

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  131. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    'Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.'

    Maybe they're just quietly laughing (or crying) to themselves, as their culture has so much infinitely more depth than the American, at least the modern American. Anyone who's ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean. They're sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).

    Anyone who’s ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean.

    So the average Indian-American wouldn’t know what you mean, then.

    They’re sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).

    If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you’ve either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you’ve bought into some kind of story someone told you.

    But I will grant you that they’re not violent.

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    'If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you’ve either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you’ve bought into some kind of story someone told you.'

    It's not who I've met, it's what I've read. The most non-violent single individual I've ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus. The impression this three or four minute encounter had on me left quite an imprint. He was from Bhutan.
    I realize that much of Indian religious philosophy involves hypocrisy, as it does in every religion as far as I can tell. The caste system, the untouchables. I think much is outright false, e.g. certain gurus who supposedly can be in two places at once (not sure about that one actually). But things approaching deep wisdom can be found--it has been too long since I've looked at any of it for me to give a quick example, but it is definitely there. Jainism alone is a rather beautiful thing. Any people that can sanction withdrawal from the world and meditation gets my vote. That includes the old Catholic monkish way of life. All religions have something like it, I think. Unfortunately, you are supposed to buy into their religion before you're allowed to live this life of contemplation--a big problem.
  132. Anyway you look at the Harvard lawsuit, it is Steve Hsu hoping to use the force of federal law against white people.

    Is Steve Hsu connected to the lawsuit? You called it “his” lawsuit against Harvard earlier. I would not be surprised if he volunteered to help.

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  133. @Yan Shen
    One thing to keep in mind here is that people like Jeff Guo are in the minority when it comes to Chinese and East Asians in general. I would argue that a randomly selected East Asian or East Asian American is much more likely to embrace the Tiger Mother ethos, which I've argued before is consequence of East Asia's Confucian tradition, than the brand of SJW activism that Jeff Guo seems to embody, which I would argue is the result of the leftist racial activism of black, white, and Hispanic Americans in this country in recent decades.

    Is there an analogue to American style SJW activism in say Latin American or European countries? Sure. In East Asia though the only thing you're likely to find are Tiger Mothers and kids striving to try to get ahead. The idea that one's lot in life isn't within one's own hands, but somehow is determined by forces beyond one's control really is anathema to the Confucian way of thinking.

    Yeah, and nobody in Asia believes in geomancy or other kinds of magic!

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  134. @Anonymous
    Ever since that 'RawMuscleGlutes' affair, I can't help but snicker a little bit whenever I see Andrew's name.

    Oh well he's moved on, and he's correct in this piece - I hope he survives this one.

    Yeah, looks like he put down the bong. He was way too high about Palin.

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  135. Nico says:
    @daniel le mouche
    'Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.'

    Maybe they're just quietly laughing (or crying) to themselves, as their culture has so much infinitely more depth than the American, at least the modern American. Anyone who's ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean. They're sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).

    Which Hindus? Most Hindus Americans are familiar with are of the Brahmin or slightly lower castes, both more intelligent than the average and smart enough not to go looking for trouble where they are outnumbered (unlike, say, consanguine Arab Muslim jihadists). The average IQ in the overwhelmingly majority-Hindu India last I checked was in the low 80s and the country’s rapport with several of the bordering nations is hardly what I would call “peaceful coexistence.”

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  136. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    'there is no successful black nation anywhere.'

    Sabotage! Do you think whitey leaves these people alone, or actually tries to help them? For example, there's Ghana, formerly the British Gold Coast. It's first president was Kwame Nkrumah. He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot. See E Michael Jones on this, I don't remember which video.
    Flash forward. Are Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bono etc. up to lots of good regarding Africans? They certainly can't keep their fingers out of the pie, and seem to be indeed very passionate about their work on the dark continent. But why, and what is that work? Then there are the western oil companies with feifdoms in Nigeria, complete with private armies. The list certainly goes on and on. What about Kadafi's murder and the utter destruction of his progressive-thinking Libya, which within a few months was returned to the stone age? But no, Africans just can't make a success of their countries!

    He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot.

    Right, and after Kennedy got shot, America didn’t descent into third-world style chaos and poverty, did it?

    If your plan for becoming a successful developed country rests entirely on one guy saving you, you don’t have a plan for becoming a successful developed country.

    And anyway, Nkumrah died of prostate cancer.

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  137. Tiny Duck says:

    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I’m assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump’s policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump’s unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let’s remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let’s ignore Henry Ford’s rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don’t give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

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    I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    Won't ever happen. The only solution is to move everyone else away from us so we can't ever discriminate against them ever again.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Now you are doing better, Tiny D*ck.

    The only thing missing is some specks of spittle distributed throughout your rant.
    , @daniel le mouche
    'Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame.'

    Another t.v. watcher. And Hilary 'We came, we saw, he died' Clinton was the peace candidate? Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum, like every four years. And yet,

    'The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls.'

    And more from the t.v. watcher...

    'I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites.'

    Take a few years off, turn of your set, do some naval gazing, or just masturbate, anything.
    , @res
    TD writing in paragraphs. What a novel concept.

    Yes, let’s remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis.
     
    Could the US have admitted more Jews then? Yes. Should we have? In hindsight probably, but who knew in 1939 just how bad things would get?

    And to put our behavior then in perspective (from https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005468 ):

    By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.
     
    95,000 people is hardly slamming the door (and 1939 was the first year the combined German-Austrian quota was met per above link). Remember that the US was going through the Great Depression then and there was minimal immigration: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
    Numerically by year: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2015/table1
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I voted Trump. Whatever discrimination that might exist, the solutions being introduced by the liberals is far worse. My father often joked that it would be easy enough to stop almost all rapes - just castrate all men.

    Most SJW solutions are akin to the same. Its doubtless that some individuals are being injured by norms; on the other hand, to destroy all norms in order to raise a few selected individuals is self-destructive and pointless.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    TD, Hope your rehab was successful. Please provide a link to this piece that you are pretending to have written, or admit that this is the comment of some one using the pseudonymic name Tiny Duck. Oh, and PS, plenty of people did not mince words about Hillary's unfitness for office.
    , @Olorin

    Then we have the Asian thing.
     
    Now that's comedy.
    , @MEH 0910

    I don’t give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not.
     
    Tiny Duck, you are a blinkered, incurious person. Your anti-intellectualism does you no credit.
  138. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    Won’t ever happen. The only solution is to move everyone else away from us so we can’t ever discriminate against them ever again.

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  139. Steve, isn’t forcing us to read all the way to the bottom to get to the money quote exactly what the NY Times does?

    The only thing worse for nonwhites than having to live in a country built by whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country built by whites.

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  140. @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    Now you are doing better, Tiny D*ck.

    The only thing missing is some specks of spittle distributed throughout your rant.

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  141. vinteuil says:
    @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    “A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.”

    Natural for humans. When you try to direct a dog’s attention at something by pointing – he looks at you.

    Dogs are smart.

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  142. @Lot
    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.

    I used to think that the only French phrase worth using was je ne sais quoi but I see that others feel differently about that.

    By the way, je ne sais pas means “I don’t know.”

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  143. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Gentrifying journalists in D.C. and Brooklyn tend to get really worked up over Ferguson.

    yeah – all politics aside if game theory is correct then virtue signalling could be an evolved response in the humanitarian actor vs selfish actor battle. interesting thought anyway.

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  144. It’s amazing — or would be amazing in a less crazy culture — to see how hard it is for presumably smart people to get the point of an argument.

    Sullivan makes the point that Asians have succeeded in America despite a history of discrimination, and Jeff Guo counters that they aren’t a story of success because they are still being discriminated against?

    But if Asians are doing well today financially despite ongoing discrimination, isn’t that confirmation, not refutation, of Sullivan’s argument?

    I can only wonder what it’s like being inside Jeff Guo’s confused mind.

    Every argument must come to the same conclusion: Racism!!

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  145. Ed says:
    @daniel le mouche
    'there is no successful black nation anywhere.'

    Sabotage! Do you think whitey leaves these people alone, or actually tries to help them? For example, there's Ghana, formerly the British Gold Coast. It's first president was Kwame Nkrumah. He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot. See E Michael Jones on this, I don't remember which video.
    Flash forward. Are Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bono etc. up to lots of good regarding Africans? They certainly can't keep their fingers out of the pie, and seem to be indeed very passionate about their work on the dark continent. But why, and what is that work? Then there are the western oil companies with feifdoms in Nigeria, complete with private armies. The list certainly goes on and on. What about Kadafi's murder and the utter destruction of his progressive-thinking Libya, which within a few months was returned to the stone age? But no, Africans just can't make a success of their countries!

    Nkrumah wasn’t shot, he lost support of cocoa farmers & in the Ashanti Region, and was removed during a coup. He died six years later in Guinea.

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    'Nkrumah wasn’t shot.'

    I understand there are those who believe he was killed, but I stand corrected, he was only removed from power, effectively the same thing. I don't in any way claim to be an expert on this guy, I only recently learned who he was.
  146. @anon
    Anyone who’s ever cracked one of their religious texts, just to read a page even, will know what I mean.

    So the average Indian-American wouldn't know what you mean, then.

    They’re sages, not violent imbeciles (the vast majority, that is).


    If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you've either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you've bought into some kind of story someone told you.

    But I will grant you that they're not violent.

    ‘If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you’ve either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you’ve bought into some kind of story someone told you.’

    It’s not who I’ve met, it’s what I’ve read. The most non-violent single individual I’ve ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus. The impression this three or four minute encounter had on me left quite an imprint. He was from Bhutan.
    I realize that much of Indian religious philosophy involves hypocrisy, as it does in every religion as far as I can tell. The caste system, the untouchables. I think much is outright false, e.g. certain gurus who supposedly can be in two places at once (not sure about that one actually). But things approaching deep wisdom can be found–it has been too long since I’ve looked at any of it for me to give a quick example, but it is definitely there. Jainism alone is a rather beautiful thing. Any people that can sanction withdrawal from the world and meditation gets my vote. That includes the old Catholic monkish way of life. All religions have something like it, I think. Unfortunately, you are supposed to buy into their religion before you’re allowed to live this life of contemplation–a big problem.

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    It’s not who I’ve met, it’s what I’ve read.

    Well now, there's a surprise.

    The most non-violent single individual I’ve ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus.


    So everybody else is constantly beating you up, at every moment? That doesn't even make sense.

    I never have liked hippies. No offense, of course.
  147. @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    ‘Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame.’

    Another t.v. watcher. And Hilary ‘We came, we saw, he died’ Clinton was the peace candidate? Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum, like every four years. And yet,

    ‘The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls.’

    And more from the t.v. watcher…

    ‘I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites.’

    Take a few years off, turn of your set, do some naval gazing, or just masturbate, anything.

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  148. @Ed
    Nkrumah wasn't shot, he lost support of cocoa farmers & in the Ashanti Region, and was removed during a coup. He died six years later in Guinea.

    ‘Nkrumah wasn’t shot.’

    I understand there are those who believe he was killed, but I stand corrected, he was only removed from power, effectively the same thing. I don’t in any way claim to be an expert on this guy, I only recently learned who he was.

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  149. res says:
    @Lot
    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.

    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing

    The first part is true AFAICT, but it’s hard to argue with the quality of his output. Four Nebulas and four Hugos from fifteen total works?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    I for one wish he was more prolific. I would not be surprised if he is making a conscious choice to only write when he has something especially interesting to say. Much easier to do that when not dependent on creative writing to pay the rent.

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    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven't you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.

    I prefer Cheah Kai Wai!
    , @Daniel Chieh
    There's a pretty substantial body of artistic work from Asia if you consider video game and animation content. That said, I don't really see the point of arguing about it, cultural input will and has made it marks given time.
  150. Moderates find the more absurd elements of the left and identity politics in particular to be absurd.

    Andrew Sullivan’s quoted words sound like rather obvious common sense. I’m used to the progressive left blaming absolutely all the ills of the world on whites and white racism and being exceptionally good at suppressing evidence against that. It’s just slightly surprising hearing such common sense from someone has built a reputation within the left and is a respected figure.

    BTW, through my wife, I often get to hear highlights from their semi-private conversations that people normally wouldn’t hear: even some regular black people are disgusted to read in the newspaper progressives blame absolutely everything on white people.

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  151. Michelle says:
    @anony-mouse
    Actually I suspect that the choice of an old Asian-American to kick off the plane was because he was an old Asian-American.

    Wouldn't you expect that such a person when faced with a group of much larger and younger males would just comply?

    Unless you were raised around Asians. If you were, you would know that old Asian men are some of the meanest summa bitches on the planet. Mean, mean, vicious and mean. Critical, sadistic and cruel. My 56 year old co-worker’s 90 year old dad did not want her to “waste time” watching movies. A friend of hers gave her a gift of 2 Netflix movies per month. He dad nixed that. He literally would not allow her to enjoy herself, if he could prevent it, ever. He made her scrub out his dirty drawers and hang them by hand while she was sick and dying, even though his old folks home offered laundry services. He is pretty typical of many of my Chinese friend’s elderly fathers. Not a speck of joy in them! That’s why Asian girls marry white guys!

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    In college I was in an "encounter group". One of the other members was a girl named Lila.She was Chinese and boy oh boy did she hate her dictatorial,drunk,abusive,gun totin' nasty old father!
    And yes,I made a play,but it was politely rejected.
  152. Mr. Kholi says:

    I don’t get all the talk about Asian American men being the victims because Asian American women don’t want them. The reality is that it’s more socially acceptable within the community for them to find wife overseas then for Asian American women, so Asian American women often look outside prempetively due to portion of Asian American men find them “too Americanized.” An Asian American men with Amy Chua’s level of “success” can do much better than Amy Chua by looking elsewhere. The 2004 movie “Bride and Prejudice” lampooned it by introduced a version of cousin Mr. Collin. A successful Desi CPA from LA trying to find a bride in India.

    And while the film portratied the character as a loser by being rejected by Aishawayri Rai’s character, the charcter ended up with equally attractive family minded bride.

    On a similar vein, I wonder how a gender switched version of “How Stella got her groove back” would be received.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    I somehow made it to second 39 of the video. How does anyone watch this shite?
  153. res says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    TD writing in paragraphs. What a novel concept.

    Yes, let’s remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis.

    Could the US have admitted more Jews then? Yes. Should we have? In hindsight probably, but who knew in 1939 just how bad things would get?

    And to put our behavior then in perspective (from https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005468 ):

    By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

    95,000 people is hardly slamming the door (and 1939 was the first year the combined German-Austrian quota was met per above link). Remember that the US was going through the Great Depression then and there was minimal immigration: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
    Numerically by year: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2015/table1

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    res, What a great reply, too bad you wasted it on TD.
  154. @res

    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing
     
    The first part is true AFAICT, but it's hard to argue with the quality of his output. Four Nebulas and four Hugos from fifteen total works?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    I for one wish he was more prolific. I would not be surprised if he is making a conscious choice to only write when he has something especially interesting to say. Much easier to do that when not dependent on creative writing to pay the rent.

    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven’t you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.

    I prefer Cheah Kai Wai!

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    • Replies: @res

    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven’t you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.
     
    I'm aware of the SJW/Puppies/Hugos issues recently. I don't think that relates to Ted Chiang's awards though (I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one). His earliest awards predate the worst problems and I don't recall his work being particularly SJW-friendly. And not all his awards were Hugos, e.g. the four Nebula awrds I mentioned.
    , @inertial
    Ted Chiang amply deserves his awards. You can check it for yourself - most of his work is available online; the links are right there in his wiki article.
  155. @Anonymous
    "no women want Asian men"
    I see where you're coming from, but...
    I suspect even a fairly average Asian man (in the US), with a college degree and a paying job with even a little status, could score at least an average white girl. Of course he might not realize this, or he might think he deserves better, but he probably could.

    "men of all races seek out Asian women"
    I've met some black guys that don't mince words.

    An amusing thought to add to the nativist arguments – I dated quite a few white girls, but not a single one of them was WASP. If there weren’t any Irish or French in the US, I wouldn’t be able to miscegenate at all.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    You are one interesting man Daniel Chieh.

    I recall a meeting Thoreau had with an honest man. He described the experience as unprecedented.
  156. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites”

    Be careful about when “care about” becomes “consumed by”.

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  157. Bradyalex says:

    As other had mentioned, Assad married a British-born ethnic Syrian.

    If you are a dictator in a non-white country, it’s not good for the dynasty to marry white.(It’s ok to mix it up a little for those who can have 4 wives, but children from such marriage tend not to inherit the “throne.”) Egyptians raised up just when Gamal Mubarak was being groomed to take over. Suzanne Mubarak was half-Welsh. Similarly, there was this white First Lady of Republic of China/Taiwan, birth name Faina Ipat’evna Vakhreva.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Fang-liang

    Chiang Kak-Sheik was able to pass the dictatorship down to her husband. But it became clear that her sons are not acceptable to Taiwanese people. Some die-hard KMT supporters still like to crapping about Taiwanese being racist against her children.

    Too bad Fat Kim didn’t took a Swiss wife while he studied there. It would be interesting to see if North Koreans would accept a heir that’s not “pure” Korean.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A twist on this is that Mrs. Assad is Sunni (and of course Mr. Assad isn't).
  158. @res

    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing
     
    The first part is true AFAICT, but it's hard to argue with the quality of his output. Four Nebulas and four Hugos from fifteen total works?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    I for one wish he was more prolific. I would not be surprised if he is making a conscious choice to only write when he has something especially interesting to say. Much easier to do that when not dependent on creative writing to pay the rent.

    There’s a pretty substantial body of artistic work from Asia if you consider video game and animation content. That said, I don’t really see the point of arguing about it, cultural input will and has made it marks given time.

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  159. @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    I voted Trump. Whatever discrimination that might exist, the solutions being introduced by the liberals is far worse. My father often joked that it would be easy enough to stop almost all rapes – just castrate all men.

    Most SJW solutions are akin to the same. Its doubtless that some individuals are being injured by norms; on the other hand, to destroy all norms in order to raise a few selected individuals is self-destructive and pointless.

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  160. dr kill says:
    @J1234

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.
     
    Comedian Chris Rock took that idea a bit further in one of his standup routines (without understanding what he was saying, I believe.) He said, "slave owners killed all the smart slaves."

    I don't believe that's historically accurate, but if it is? It means what, exactly?? I guess I'd have less a problem with affirmative action if blackness was recognized as a form of (genetically engineered) mental retardation.

    You are close, but this is the real truth, the smart Africans captured and sold all the lame, weak, slow and stupid Africans into slavery. That modern AAs have any ability at all is a miracle.

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    • Replies: @Shitposter
    If that's true, then why do African Americans have an IQ average of 85, while SubSaharan Africans have an IQ averaging in the low 70s?
  161. ” I would further surmise that Mr. Guo’s Washington Post articles aren’t written in the usual fashion whereby one first thinks of a topic to write about and then writes about it, but rather are the result of the infinite monkey theorem, whereby Mr. Guo randomly grinds out all possible alphabetic permutations and the editors at the Washington Post then pick the specific ones that they feel would make for a good publishable article…”

    You don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word “further”. Or perhaps, if I were to stereotype, you’re just a defensive Asian with defective reading skills.

    Because either you think I attacked Guo’s writing ability or you couldn’t follow my point at all.

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  162. @daniel le mouche
    'He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”'

    I've never heard that theory, but it should be taken seriously. Look at what some of the modern nightmare revolutions have done. Indonesia, Cambodia, I don't know all the other places. The first to go were the intellectuals. How devastating is that for many future generations? It's all about death and destruction, all humans seem to be really good at.

    daniel, Smart by what standards? Intellectual? Why would you kill off a field hand that understood the work requirements after only one explanation or a stable boy who knew enough not to bed the horses down wet. Maybe he meant the slaves who were inventing clocks, and traffic signals and atomic reactors. Those slave were dangerous.

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  163. @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    TD, Hope your rehab was successful. Please provide a link to this piece that you are pretending to have written, or admit that this is the comment of some one using the pseudonymic name Tiny Duck. Oh, and PS, plenty of people did not mince words about Hillary’s unfitness for office.

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  164. @res
    TD writing in paragraphs. What a novel concept.

    Yes, let’s remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis.
     
    Could the US have admitted more Jews then? Yes. Should we have? In hindsight probably, but who knew in 1939 just how bad things would get?

    And to put our behavior then in perspective (from https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005468 ):

    By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.
     
    95,000 people is hardly slamming the door (and 1939 was the first year the combined German-Austrian quota was met per above link). Remember that the US was going through the Great Depression then and there was minimal immigration: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
    Numerically by year: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2015/table1

    res, What a great reply, too bad you wasted it on TD.

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  165. Ivy says:
    @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    Game theory exists, mainly in academia.

    Elsewhere, “game theory” is in evidence. Lay people are being led to believe that there really isn’t any formatting of words or ideas in real life, despite what they see with their lyin’ eyes.

    Change the game, just pretend that you haven’t, and you could land a job in the MSM, on The Street, or in the advanced course, through the DC revolving door.

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  166. @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    That is incorrect. In game theory simulations, selfish people prevail over humanitarian ones.

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    • Replies: @res
    It would be nice if both of you provided support for your assertions. The best known example I'm aware of is analysis of the Iterated Prisoner's Dilemma which generally shows variants of the tit for tat strategy as being most effective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat#In_game_theory

    I think it is more accurate to characterize that strategy as humanitarian than as selfish.
    , @anon
    no they don't
    , @anon
    you may be thinking of the next stage

    within groups the game theory prediction is the humanitarian strategy wins

    game theory then predicts that in competition between groups the ethnocentric group strategy (which uses the humanitarian strategy internally but only internally) wins over the humanitarian group strategy
    , @anon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
  167. @daniel le mouche
    'He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”'

    I've never heard that theory, but it should be taken seriously. Look at what some of the modern nightmare revolutions have done. Indonesia, Cambodia, I don't know all the other places. The first to go were the intellectuals. How devastating is that for many future generations? It's all about death and destruction, all humans seem to be really good at.

    Does a master want imbeciles working for her?

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    Not quite sure of your point. My point is that in many modern, especially ideological, revolutions, the educated classes go first--teachers, journalists, writers...
    Perhaps the thinking is that they're such dupes (just look around our own societies in the west) it's best to start with a clean slate. But if certain writers are to be believed, what happened e.g. in Indonesia reverberates in devastating fashion to this day, and will I think for many more generations. There's no freedom of speech or anything else there, and it is (like so many places--and also like so many places, this is conveniently ignored by our masters) ruled by the very murderous goons that carried on the genocide and took power in '66.
    Also, as a short answer, YES: our masters want us to be as stupid as humanly possible. Once more, we need just look around, those of us who are still capable of that, that is. The dumbing down, the escalation rate is astounding. I remember the Phil Donahue show in the early seventies (random example), and the fairly high level of intelligence of audience members, guests, and Donahue himself. Pick a show from that era (okay, not Fantasy Island or Three's Company, but many). People asked real questions, they produced real comedy (the original SNL, Steve Martin), some great movies. I'm not arguing that t.v. is any measuring stick of a culture, I haven't watched it for many years, decades really. But the dumbing down is there, and it's deliberate. Look at the musical standard--so nasty. Not too long ago there were quite charming musicals being made, Grease, Mary Poppins...
  168. @Mr. Kholi
    I don't get all the talk about Asian American men being the victims because Asian American women don't want them. The reality is that it's more socially acceptable within the community for them to find wife overseas then for Asian American women, so Asian American women often look outside prempetively due to portion of Asian American men find them "too Americanized." An Asian American men with Amy Chua's level of "success" can do much better than Amy Chua by looking elsewhere. The 2004 movie "Bride and Prejudice" lampooned it by introduced a version of cousin Mr. Collin. A successful Desi CPA from LA trying to find a bride in India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAxlIbUTlZo

    And while the film portratied the character as a loser by being rejected by Aishawayri Rai's character, the charcter ended up with equally attractive family minded bride.

    On a similar vein, I wonder how a gender switched version of "How Stella got her groove back" would be received.

    I somehow made it to second 39 of the video. How does anyone watch this shite?

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  169. @Opinionator
    Does a master want imbeciles working for her?

    Not quite sure of your point. My point is that in many modern, especially ideological, revolutions, the educated classes go first–teachers, journalists, writers…
    Perhaps the thinking is that they’re such dupes (just look around our own societies in the west) it’s best to start with a clean slate. But if certain writers are to be believed, what happened e.g. in Indonesia reverberates in devastating fashion to this day, and will I think for many more generations. There’s no freedom of speech or anything else there, and it is (like so many places–and also like so many places, this is conveniently ignored by our masters) ruled by the very murderous goons that carried on the genocide and took power in ’66.
    Also, as a short answer, YES: our masters want us to be as stupid as humanly possible. Once more, we need just look around, those of us who are still capable of that, that is. The dumbing down, the escalation rate is astounding. I remember the Phil Donahue show in the early seventies (random example), and the fairly high level of intelligence of audience members, guests, and Donahue himself. Pick a show from that era (okay, not Fantasy Island or Three’s Company, but many). People asked real questions, they produced real comedy (the original SNL, Steve Martin), some great movies. I’m not arguing that t.v. is any measuring stick of a culture, I haven’t watched it for many years, decades really. But the dumbing down is there, and it’s deliberate. Look at the musical standard–so nasty. Not too long ago there were quite charming musicals being made, Grease, Mary Poppins…

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  170. @Steve Sailer
    East Asians were directing Fast and Furious movies during their big middle phase, but the last six were written by Chris Morgan, a white guy.

    Maybe this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang

    He wrote the sci-fi short story that the movie "Arrival" was based on. I thought the movie was pretty good, but people who had read his story just raved about the movie.

    Writing Fast and Furious requires a lot of creativity?
    “Hows the script going?”
    “I’m really moving along!”
    “Great.Whatcha got?”
    “Dom in garage.Punches a cop. 20 minute car chase…”

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  171. @J1234

    Many, many pundits are piling on to remind Sullivan that the problems of blacks in America and everywhere else in the world are due to slavery.
     
    Comedian Chris Rock took that idea a bit further in one of his standup routines (without understanding what he was saying, I believe.) He said, "slave owners killed all the smart slaves."

    I don't believe that's historically accurate, but if it is? It means what, exactly?? I guess I'd have less a problem with affirmative action if blackness was recognized as a form of (genetically engineered) mental retardation.

    Slaveowners were aghast at the idea of mixing with slaves,as the resultant child would be more ambitious and defiant. I don’t think they did a whole lot of killing of slaves,as slaves cost money.
    It would be like a guy buying a Ford Escort and seeing its not a very good car…driving it off a cliff. Not good use of money.
    When blacks were freed,there resulted a large amount of mixing between white males and black females and the race got smarter after all.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Perhaps there is a study that shows the relative levels of DNA race mixing among male and female slaves and their descendants. That could spell out who did what to whom when. In theory, there were more black female partners during slavery, and more black male partners more recently. Is whatever trend increasing or diverging?
  172. @daniel le mouche
    Thanks for the Lennon song, I unbelievably had never heard it. Two of my favorite obscure ones by him are 'John Sinclair' and 'The Luck of the Irish'--my only problem with that one is his conclusion that 'you'd wish you was English instead'. Think not! 'Go on home, British soldiers' is a much better song, come to think of it.
    Not that it would interest most, but three other great John Lennon songs, in my opinion, are: How?, Working Class Hero, and Number Nine Dream.

    ‘Woman’ is a great song. Some critic said it was derivative of ‘If I Fell’,which is my fave Beatle tune.
    Still a good song. I think Lennon felt his solo songs were better than Paul’s.

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  173. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    'If you think the vast majority of them are sages, you’ve either met a hugely different bunch of Hindus than I have, or you’ve bought into some kind of story someone told you.'

    It's not who I've met, it's what I've read. The most non-violent single individual I've ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus. The impression this three or four minute encounter had on me left quite an imprint. He was from Bhutan.
    I realize that much of Indian religious philosophy involves hypocrisy, as it does in every religion as far as I can tell. The caste system, the untouchables. I think much is outright false, e.g. certain gurus who supposedly can be in two places at once (not sure about that one actually). But things approaching deep wisdom can be found--it has been too long since I've looked at any of it for me to give a quick example, but it is definitely there. Jainism alone is a rather beautiful thing. Any people that can sanction withdrawal from the world and meditation gets my vote. That includes the old Catholic monkish way of life. All religions have something like it, I think. Unfortunately, you are supposed to buy into their religion before you're allowed to live this life of contemplation--a big problem.

    It’s not who I’ve met, it’s what I’ve read.

    Well now, there’s a surprise.

    The most non-violent single individual I’ve ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus.

    So everybody else is constantly beating you up, at every moment? That doesn’t even make sense.

    I never have liked hippies. No offense, of course.

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    it's probably for the best that isteve took down my original response to you, so i'll just say love and hand grenades. peace brother
  174. @Michelle
    Unless you were raised around Asians. If you were, you would know that old Asian men are some of the meanest summa bitches on the planet. Mean, mean, vicious and mean. Critical, sadistic and cruel. My 56 year old co-worker's 90 year old dad did not want her to "waste time" watching movies. A friend of hers gave her a gift of 2 Netflix movies per month. He dad nixed that. He literally would not allow her to enjoy herself, if he could prevent it, ever. He made her scrub out his dirty drawers and hang them by hand while she was sick and dying, even though his old folks home offered laundry services. He is pretty typical of many of my Chinese friend's elderly fathers. Not a speck of joy in them! That's why Asian girls marry white guys!

    In college I was in an “encounter group”. One of the other members was a girl named Lila.She was Chinese and boy oh boy did she hate her dictatorial,drunk,abusive,gun totin’ nasty old father!
    And yes,I made a play,but it was politely rejected.

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    Well, father, you win some, you lose some. Maybe, she was not a racist and she just put all men, white, Asian, and in between, in the same category.
  175. @res
    Since it seems to be OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than whites does that mean it is also OK to say Asians have a higher average IQ than blacks?

    No, the transitive property (and, more generally, logic) doesn’t hold in the algebra of political correctness.

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  176. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Jeff Guo Home.

    So many on Twitter are just Virtue Vultures. They circle around looking for some ‘fresh kill’ to scavenge off.

    So, when Sullivan was pounced on and attacked, all the virtue vultures(or virtures) descended to share in the kill.

    A bunch of scavengers than true avengers.

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    • Replies: @anonguy

    Jeff Guo Home.

    So many on Twitter are just Virtue Vultures. They circle around looking for some ‘fresh kill’ to scavenge off.

    So, when Sullivan was pounced on and attacked, all the virtue vultures(or virtures) descended to share in the kill.

    A bunch of scavengers than true avengers.
     
    I've read claims that ~8% of the population are basically informers, will revert to that strategy if an opportunity arises.

    This was very much demonstrated in Germany both under the Nazis and the Communists.

    The Gestapo and the Stasi relied essentially solely on tips and had giant torrents of them, far more than they could process. The image that these security forces were routinely involved in clandestine surveillance, undercover ops, is largely wrong. Basically, all they were doing was running down tips and only a fraction of them at that.

    Anyhow, the snitches will always be with us. It is built into human character.
  177. @dr kill
    You are close, but this is the real truth, the smart Africans captured and sold all the lame, weak, slow and stupid Africans into slavery. That modern AAs have any ability at all is a miracle.

    If that’s true, then why do African Americans have an IQ average of 85, while SubSaharan Africans have an IQ averaging in the low 70s?

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  178. res says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven't you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.

    I prefer Cheah Kai Wai!

    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven’t you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.

    I’m aware of the SJW/Puppies/Hugos issues recently. I don’t think that relates to Ted Chiang’s awards though (I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one). His earliest awards predate the worst problems and I don’t recall his work being particularly SJW-friendly. And not all his awards were Hugos, e.g. the four Nebula awrds I mentioned.

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    I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one.
     
    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    I went and looked at Ted Chiang's book of stories (About your life and Others, or whatever.) I started reading the freely available stuff on Amazon, and it is slow ploding boring stuff. It seems to be about people building a tower to the sky with bricks ...

    So then I re-read the beginnings of Protector and The Mote In God's Eye, as well as recalling Quantum Mortis: A man disrupted by Vox Day and The Corroding Empire by Johan Kalsi (which I read recently.

    https://www.amazon.com/QUANTUM-MORTIS-Man-Disrupted-Vox-ebook/dp/B00I4W7WTS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404287&sr=8-1&keywords=Quantum+Mortis

    https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-Corroding-Empire-Book-1-ebook/dp/B06XFQ24QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404788&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Corroding+Empire

    Protector introduces the idea that humans arose from a species from towards the center of the galaxy 2.5M years ago and mutated and our first alien was one of them come to save us ...

    The Mote In God's Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    Quantum Mortis is very well written (IMO) and includes the concept of the ruling class expanding the franchise by giving AIs the vote, a concept very similar to one of Steve's favorite topics (electing a new people).

    The Corroding Empire introduces the notion of Algorithmic Internal Variable Decay, or AlgoDecay, as the cause of the Galactic Empire's destruction and includes a series of stories that explores that process.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Algorithmic_Internal_Variable_Delay

    Then's there's Cheak Kai Wai's Flashpoint Titan, which was nominated for a Hugo but was beaten by inferior crap.

    By contrast, what I read of Ted Chiang's in tha first story told me to stop reading.

    Now, damn you, I have to finish re-reading Protector even though I wanted to finish writing some software!

  179. res says:
    @Opinionator
    That is incorrect. In game theory simulations, selfish people prevail over humanitarian ones.

    It would be nice if both of you provided support for your assertions. The best known example I’m aware of is analysis of the Iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma which generally shows variants of the tit for tat strategy as being most effective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat#In_game_theory

    I think it is more accurate to characterize that strategy as humanitarian than as selfish.

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  180. Lot says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.
     
    I used to think that the only French phrase worth using was je ne sais quoi but I see that others feel differently about that.

    By the way, je ne sais pas means "I don't know."

    Haha, at least my error was spelled right.

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  181. Lot says:
    @anon
    In game theory simulations actors with "selfish" programming gradually lose to actors with "humanitarian" programming.

    Applying that to the real world how might selfish actors survive the humanitarian borg?

    A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other's moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it.

    So in game theory terms virtue-signalling is a form of selfish actor crypsis.

    You can design games to reward altruism or selfishness or anything in between. It would be pretty dull if one strategy always worked.

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    • Replies: @anon
    not the point

    the point is if the humanitarian strategy* was winning in a particular environment then how could selfish* actors evolve to survive - answer crypsis e.g. virtue signalling as camouflage (in reality vice deflection)

    (*as defined by game theory)

    this would explain why most (not all) of the loudest SJWs are so unpleasant in their personal life
  182. inertial says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven't you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.

    I prefer Cheah Kai Wai!

    Ted Chiang amply deserves his awards. You can check it for yourself – most of his work is available online; the links are right there in his wiki article.

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  183. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bradyalex
    As other had mentioned, Assad married a British-born ethnic Syrian.

    If you are a dictator in a non-white country, it's not good for the dynasty to marry white.(It's ok to mix it up a little for those who can have 4 wives, but children from such marriage tend not to inherit the "throne.") Egyptians raised up just when Gamal Mubarak was being groomed to take over. Suzanne Mubarak was half-Welsh. Similarly, there was this white First Lady of Republic of China/Taiwan, birth name Faina Ipat'evna Vakhreva.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Fang-liang

    Chiang Kak-Sheik was able to pass the dictatorship down to her husband. But it became clear that her sons are not acceptable to Taiwanese people. Some die-hard KMT supporters still like to crapping about Taiwanese being racist against her children.

    Too bad Fat Kim didn't took a Swiss wife while he studied there. It would be interesting to see if North Koreans would accept a heir that's not "pure" Korean.

    A twist on this is that Mrs. Assad is Sunni (and of course Mr. Assad isn’t).

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  184. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    It does not look like Chiang supprts himself with writing fiction from his wiki, which says he does technical writing.

    There are probably some better examples out there, but the lack of really any top tier Asian Americans in creative writing or entertainment fields despite their numbers, education, and ambition indicates to me that they tend to lack a je ne sais pas set of positive personal traits you see in similarly high IQ whites and blacks. So Ivy League schools quite reasonably want to see higher SAT scores from them to make up for it.

    White gentiles are even more underrepresented in the Ivy League. How represented are they in the American culture industry? They don’t seem overrepresented in it like blacks and Jews are.

    At least part of the degree of representation in the American culture industry is determined by the monopolistic nature of the industry’s distribution channels and by influence over those channels. Jews and blacks have been overrepresented in this influence. With the decline of some of the monopolistic power of these distribution channels due to the internet and social media recently, we’ve been seeing alternative cultural products rise in popularity that are not just at odds with the products of the American culture industry but are actively hostile and antagonistic towards it. This suggests that the monopolistic character of the industry has been quite important.

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  185. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Chinese who bitch about Chinese Exclusion Act… I mean gimme a break.

    China had FOREIGN DEVIL EXCLUSION ACT forever. And they forbade their own kind from leaving. It was the West that had to FORCE China open.

    Also, how did China like ‘open borders for China’ turn out? It led to British, Japanese, French, Germans, and Americans carving up entire port areas. Chinese called it ‘imperialism’ and said ‘it no good. must end’.

    Excluding Asians made good sense. At the time, the West Coast was still low in population whereas the combined population of China and Japan was huge. If the US had allowed lots of immigration from Asia, all of West Coast might have become like Hawaii. Asian takeover.

    Now, what would have been the point of all that Anglo pioneering and building of a continent just to hand it over to Asians who lacked foresight and spirit of exploration?

    The only legit beef that Chinese have is Chinese in 19th century were badly treated, and that is a blot on US history. But what does that have to do with the US having to take in tons of Chinese? If anything, if US was so hostile, it was all the more reason for Chinese to NOT come to the US.
    (Btw, I think Mexico treated Chinese even worse.)

    Also, why don’t China complain about Russia’s Siberian policy of disallowing unlimited Chinese immigration?
    And does China allow open borders for Indians into Tibet? I think not.

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  186. Ivy says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Slaveowners were aghast at the idea of mixing with slaves,as the resultant child would be more ambitious and defiant. I don't think they did a whole lot of killing of slaves,as slaves cost money.
    It would be like a guy buying a Ford Escort and seeing its not a very good car...driving it off a cliff. Not good use of money.
    When blacks were freed,there resulted a large amount of mixing between white males and black females and the race got smarter after all.

    Perhaps there is a study that shows the relative levels of DNA race mixing among male and female slaves and their descendants. That could spell out who did what to whom when. In theory, there were more black female partners during slavery, and more black male partners more recently. Is whatever trend increasing or diverging?

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  187. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If slavery is the reason for black failure, then blacks should fail in everything.

    After all, the logic is slavery undermined black pride, black esteem, black agency, black morale, black confidence, and etc.

    Yet, blacks totally dominate sports. Why? If blacks are so lacking in esteem and pride, they should fail in sports too.

    The answer is Racial Differences Are Real. Blacks succeed in some areas way more than others, fail in other areas more than others.

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  188. anonguy says:
    @Anon
    "The highly competitive world of screenwriting, blog networks, and books seems to be less than 1% East Asian."

    I see a good number of East Asian journalists, but most of news is 'fake news', so you get same PC crap.

    Most of screenwriting is following the formula. Impersonal.

    Whit Stillman and few others are real 'auteurs' in the true sense of the world.

    I think globalism is making things less interesting. Without roots and some kind of cultural foundation, everyone sounds the same.

    The couple in LOVE STORY is moving away from roots, but they still have roots in something real. Italian life or Wasp life(when it had unique character).

    But it seems like we are living in the age of the children of the children of LOVE STORY. And these globots are without character.

    It's no wonder we have green hair people, tattoos, piercings, and other idiocies. Or pussy hats. Without roots, people seek some kind of identity by creating new fashions.

    But the old identities were so much better.

    Wong Kar Wai has a great eye but his movies are vapid because his characters are globots. They aint chinese, they aint european, they aint nothing. Just fashionistas.

    I think globalism is making things less interesting.

    Intensely so. Years ago, we used to deplore the homogenization/McDonaldsization of America, a cultural sentiment that was considered part of the standard views of the great and good.

    Now, one doesn’t hear a peep about what the end game of globalization is, a world of dull sameness, everything only differentiated by a ritual, but meaningless bit, of humanity injection, the artisanal movement, into trivial luxury items.

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    Another thing to add to the growing list of things the Left left behind.
    , @anon
    oligarch entropy
  189. anonguy says:
    @Anon
    Jeff Guo Home.

    So many on Twitter are just Virtue Vultures. They circle around looking for some 'fresh kill' to scavenge off.

    So, when Sullivan was pounced on and attacked, all the virtue vultures(or virtures) descended to share in the kill.

    A bunch of scavengers than true avengers.

    Jeff Guo Home.

    So many on Twitter are just Virtue Vultures. They circle around looking for some ‘fresh kill’ to scavenge off.

    So, when Sullivan was pounced on and attacked, all the virtue vultures(or virtures) descended to share in the kill.

    A bunch of scavengers than true avengers.

    I’ve read claims that ~8% of the population are basically informers, will revert to that strategy if an opportunity arises.

    This was very much demonstrated in Germany both under the Nazis and the Communists.

    The Gestapo and the Stasi relied essentially solely on tips and had giant torrents of them, far more than they could process. The image that these security forces were routinely involved in clandestine surveillance, undercover ops, is largely wrong. Basically, all they were doing was running down tips and only a fraction of them at that.

    Anyhow, the snitches will always be with us. It is built into human character.

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  190. @res

    Those are affirmative action Hugos. Haven’t you paid attention to the SJW infiltration in the Hugos? Full of romance in space crap, Afternoon Tea with Pronouns and If you were a dinosaur my love.
     
    I'm aware of the SJW/Puppies/Hugos issues recently. I don't think that relates to Ted Chiang's awards though (I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one). His earliest awards predate the worst problems and I don't recall his work being particularly SJW-friendly. And not all his awards were Hugos, e.g. the four Nebula awrds I mentioned.

    I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one.

    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    I went and looked at Ted Chiang’s book of stories (About your life and Others, or whatever.) I started reading the freely available stuff on Amazon, and it is slow ploding boring stuff. It seems to be about people building a tower to the sky with bricks …

    So then I re-read the beginnings of Protector and The Mote In God’s Eye, as well as recalling Quantum Mortis: A man disrupted by Vox Day and The Corroding Empire by Johan Kalsi (which I read recently.

    https://www.amazon.com/QUANTUM-MORTIS-Man-Disrupted-Vox-ebook/dp/B00I4W7WTS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404287&sr=8-1&keywords=Quantum+Mortis

    https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-Corroding-Empire-Book-1-ebook/dp/B06XFQ24QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404788&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Corroding+Empire

    Protector introduces the idea that humans arose from a species from towards the center of the galaxy 2.5M years ago and mutated and our first alien was one of them come to save us …

    The Mote In God’s Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    Quantum Mortis is very well written (IMO) and includes the concept of the ruling class expanding the franchise by giving AIs the vote, a concept very similar to one of Steve’s favorite topics (electing a new people).

    The Corroding Empire introduces the notion of Algorithmic Internal Variable Decay, or AlgoDecay, as the cause of the Galactic Empire’s destruction and includes a series of stories that explores that process.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Algorithmic_Internal_Variable_Delay

    Then’s there’s Cheak Kai Wai’s Flashpoint Titan, which was nominated for a Hugo but was beaten by inferior crap.

    By contrast, what I read of Ted Chiang’s in tha first story told me to stop reading.

    Now, damn you, I have to finish re-reading Protector even though I wanted to finish writing some software!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Mote In God’s Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    You can find Heinlein's advice to Niven and Pournelle online. His big piece of advice was to cut out the first 100 pages of backstory and start with the alien arrival.

    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Following up, I think the odds are good that the Nebula awards have been subverted just like the Hugos have.

    However, more than that, two very good Science Fiction novels that were not even nominated for an award (I believe) that were vastly better than anything nominated were:

    The Martian, initially self published, and

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt.

    I also think that mainstream publishers are foisting insipid SJW shit on us like Afternoon Tea with Pronouns, as you can see in this article by Nick Cole about how Ctrl-Alt-Revolt came to be indie published:

    http://www.nickcolebooks.com/2016/02/09/banned-by-the-publisher/

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt ranks up there with the best of the best, IMO.
    , @res

    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.
     
    LOL. Watch out or I'll try to convince you to (re)read the whole Tales of Known Space series.
  191. @Peripatetic commenter

    I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one.
     
    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    I went and looked at Ted Chiang's book of stories (About your life and Others, or whatever.) I started reading the freely available stuff on Amazon, and it is slow ploding boring stuff. It seems to be about people building a tower to the sky with bricks ...

    So then I re-read the beginnings of Protector and The Mote In God's Eye, as well as recalling Quantum Mortis: A man disrupted by Vox Day and The Corroding Empire by Johan Kalsi (which I read recently.

    https://www.amazon.com/QUANTUM-MORTIS-Man-Disrupted-Vox-ebook/dp/B00I4W7WTS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404287&sr=8-1&keywords=Quantum+Mortis

    https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-Corroding-Empire-Book-1-ebook/dp/B06XFQ24QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404788&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Corroding+Empire

    Protector introduces the idea that humans arose from a species from towards the center of the galaxy 2.5M years ago and mutated and our first alien was one of them come to save us ...

    The Mote In God's Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    Quantum Mortis is very well written (IMO) and includes the concept of the ruling class expanding the franchise by giving AIs the vote, a concept very similar to one of Steve's favorite topics (electing a new people).

    The Corroding Empire introduces the notion of Algorithmic Internal Variable Decay, or AlgoDecay, as the cause of the Galactic Empire's destruction and includes a series of stories that explores that process.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Algorithmic_Internal_Variable_Delay

    Then's there's Cheak Kai Wai's Flashpoint Titan, which was nominated for a Hugo but was beaten by inferior crap.

    By contrast, what I read of Ted Chiang's in tha first story told me to stop reading.

    Now, damn you, I have to finish re-reading Protector even though I wanted to finish writing some software!

    The Mote In God’s Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    You can find Heinlein’s advice to Niven and Pournelle online. His big piece of advice was to cut out the first 100 pages of backstory and start with the alien arrival.

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    I dunno. I think, having read that book first in about 1976 and then again a few years ago and then re-reading the intro, I think the back-story tells us a lot about the important human characters who are going to be involved.

    While Protector cuts back and forth between Phssthpok the Pak and Brennan the human (as a normal human and then as a protector), and it was written several years before The Mote In Gods Eye, I think that Niven and Pournelle probably thought about that approach and decided not to take it.

    I like TMIGE as it is.
  192. Neoconned says:
    @PhDPepper
    Didn't Trump just enforce a redline around some real estate recently? That was a good thing, right? I can't tell the difference- we need more colored lines! Or, lines of color, sorry.

    I dont get it…if its so racist- why not leave?

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  193. @anon
    It’s not who I’ve met, it’s what I’ve read.

    Well now, there's a surprise.

    The most non-violent single individual I’ve ever met was a fleeting street moment with a kid, perhap 18, asking me how to get to a certain place by bus.


    So everybody else is constantly beating you up, at every moment? That doesn't even make sense.

    I never have liked hippies. No offense, of course.

    it’s probably for the best that isteve took down my original response to you, so i’ll just say love and hand grenades. peace brother

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  194. @Steve Sailer
    The Mote In God’s Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    You can find Heinlein's advice to Niven and Pournelle online. His big piece of advice was to cut out the first 100 pages of backstory and start with the alien arrival.

    I dunno. I think, having read that book first in about 1976 and then again a few years ago and then re-reading the intro, I think the back-story tells us a lot about the important human characters who are going to be involved.

    While Protector cuts back and forth between Phssthpok the Pak and Brennan the human (as a normal human and then as a protector), and it was written several years before The Mote In Gods Eye, I think that Niven and Pournelle probably thought about that approach and decided not to take it.

    I like TMIGE as it is.

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  195. @Peripatetic commenter

    I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one.
     
    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    I went and looked at Ted Chiang's book of stories (About your life and Others, or whatever.) I started reading the freely available stuff on Amazon, and it is slow ploding boring stuff. It seems to be about people building a tower to the sky with bricks ...

    So then I re-read the beginnings of Protector and The Mote In God's Eye, as well as recalling Quantum Mortis: A man disrupted by Vox Day and The Corroding Empire by Johan Kalsi (which I read recently.

    https://www.amazon.com/QUANTUM-MORTIS-Man-Disrupted-Vox-ebook/dp/B00I4W7WTS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404287&sr=8-1&keywords=Quantum+Mortis

    https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-Corroding-Empire-Book-1-ebook/dp/B06XFQ24QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404788&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Corroding+Empire

    Protector introduces the idea that humans arose from a species from towards the center of the galaxy 2.5M years ago and mutated and our first alien was one of them come to save us ...

    The Mote In God's Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    Quantum Mortis is very well written (IMO) and includes the concept of the ruling class expanding the franchise by giving AIs the vote, a concept very similar to one of Steve's favorite topics (electing a new people).

    The Corroding Empire introduces the notion of Algorithmic Internal Variable Decay, or AlgoDecay, as the cause of the Galactic Empire's destruction and includes a series of stories that explores that process.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Algorithmic_Internal_Variable_Delay

    Then's there's Cheak Kai Wai's Flashpoint Titan, which was nominated for a Hugo but was beaten by inferior crap.

    By contrast, what I read of Ted Chiang's in tha first story told me to stop reading.

    Now, damn you, I have to finish re-reading Protector even though I wanted to finish writing some software!

    Following up, I think the odds are good that the Nebula awards have been subverted just like the Hugos have.

    However, more than that, two very good Science Fiction novels that were not even nominated for an award (I believe) that were vastly better than anything nominated were:

    The Martian, initially self published, and

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt.

    I also think that mainstream publishers are foisting insipid SJW shit on us like Afternoon Tea with Pronouns, as you can see in this article by Nick Cole about how Ctrl-Alt-Revolt came to be indie published:

    http://www.nickcolebooks.com/2016/02/09/banned-by-the-publisher/

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt ranks up there with the best of the best, IMO.

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    That was a beautiful link. The general hostility to almost any "non-progressive" thought being even implied in literature as of late has been extremely frustrating.

    Definitely looking forward to buying this now.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    I was wrong.

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt was nominated for and received the Dragon Award in 2016.

    The Dragon Award is unlikely to be infiltrated by SJWs.
  196. @anonguy

    I think globalism is making things less interesting.
     
    Intensely so. Years ago, we used to deplore the homogenization/McDonaldsization of America, a cultural sentiment that was considered part of the standard views of the great and good.

    Now, one doesn't hear a peep about what the end game of globalization is, a world of dull sameness, everything only differentiated by a ritual, but meaningless bit, of humanity injection, the artisanal movement, into trivial luxury items.

    Another thing to add to the growing list of things the Left left behind.

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  197. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh
    An amusing thought to add to the nativist arguments - I dated quite a few white girls, but not a single one of them was WASP. If there weren't any Irish or French in the US, I wouldn't be able to miscegenate at all.

    You are one interesting man Daniel Chieh.

    I recall a meeting Thoreau had with an honest man. He described the experience as unprecedented.

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  198. guest says:
    @daniel le mouche
    'there is no successful black nation anywhere.'

    Sabotage! Do you think whitey leaves these people alone, or actually tries to help them? For example, there's Ghana, formerly the British Gold Coast. It's first president was Kwame Nkrumah. He was the first foreign leader invited to the White House upon Kennedy becoming president. They were starting to make very positive, progressive plans together, not just for Ghana but for all of Africa. Both men were shot. See E Michael Jones on this, I don't remember which video.
    Flash forward. Are Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Bono etc. up to lots of good regarding Africans? They certainly can't keep their fingers out of the pie, and seem to be indeed very passionate about their work on the dark continent. But why, and what is that work? Then there are the western oil companies with feifdoms in Nigeria, complete with private armies. The list certainly goes on and on. What about Kadafi's murder and the utter destruction of his progressive-thinking Libya, which within a few months was returned to the stone age? But no, Africans just can't make a success of their countries!

    They can’t keep their fingers out of lots of pies, not just African pies. And the rest of the world ain’t Africa. Even the Mid-East ain’t Africa, to say nothing of Western imperialist meddling in East Asia, for instance.

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  199. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anonguy

    I think globalism is making things less interesting.
     
    Intensely so. Years ago, we used to deplore the homogenization/McDonaldsization of America, a cultural sentiment that was considered part of the standard views of the great and good.

    Now, one doesn't hear a peep about what the end game of globalization is, a world of dull sameness, everything only differentiated by a ritual, but meaningless bit, of humanity injection, the artisanal movement, into trivial luxury items.

    oligarch entropy

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  200. @Peripatetic commenter
    Following up, I think the odds are good that the Nebula awards have been subverted just like the Hugos have.

    However, more than that, two very good Science Fiction novels that were not even nominated for an award (I believe) that were vastly better than anything nominated were:

    The Martian, initially self published, and

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt.

    I also think that mainstream publishers are foisting insipid SJW shit on us like Afternoon Tea with Pronouns, as you can see in this article by Nick Cole about how Ctrl-Alt-Revolt came to be indie published:

    http://www.nickcolebooks.com/2016/02/09/banned-by-the-publisher/

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt ranks up there with the best of the best, IMO.

    That was a beautiful link. The general hostility to almost any “non-progressive” thought being even implied in literature as of late has been extremely frustrating.

    Definitely looking forward to buying this now.

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  201. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    You can design games to reward altruism or selfishness or anything in between. It would be pretty dull if one strategy always worked.

    not the point

    the point is if the humanitarian strategy* was winning in a particular environment then how could selfish* actors evolve to survive – answer crypsis e.g. virtue signalling as camouflage (in reality vice deflection)

    (*as defined by game theory)

    this would explain why most (not all) of the loudest SJWs are so unpleasant in their personal life

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  202. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    That is incorrect. In game theory simulations, selfish people prevail over humanitarian ones.

    no they don’t

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  203. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    That is incorrect. In game theory simulations, selfish people prevail over humanitarian ones.

    you may be thinking of the next stage

    within groups the game theory prediction is the humanitarian strategy wins

    game theory then predicts that in competition between groups the ethnocentric group strategy (which uses the humanitarian strategy internally but only internally) wins over the humanitarian group strategy

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  204. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @vinteuil
    "A natural reaction to people screeching and pointing fingers at other’s moral flaws is to look in the direction the finger is pointing and not back at the person doing it."

    Natural for humans. When you try to direct a dog's attention at something by pointing - he looks at you.

    Dogs are smart.

    quite

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  205. @daniel le mouche
    'He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”'

    I've never heard that theory, but it should be taken seriously. Look at what some of the modern nightmare revolutions have done. Indonesia, Cambodia, I don't know all the other places. The first to go were the intellectuals. How devastating is that for many future generations? It's all about death and destruction, all humans seem to be really good at.

    The slaves were by definition, those who were stupid enough to get caught in the first place. There must be some selection filter there.

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    iirc a lot of it was mixed Arab/African slave raiders (like the Janjaweed currently operating in Sudan) and some of it prisoners from tribal wars.

    (apparently the west African tribes originally mounted the heads of prisoners around their walls but selling them into slavery was more profitable)
  206. @Anon
    Yanny, the only discrimination yellow boys should worry about is sexual discrimination by yellow women. All else is fooey.

    It's like Sailer's piece "Is Humping Colorblind?" In Asia, yellow girls only knew yellow boys. So, they were okay with that. But once they go global and come to West, they have choice of wide range of men. Asian men have that choice too but women don't like them. There was a news piece about some online dating site where Asian women were most popular among all men. They figure Asian women will be easy since, given the choice, they will choose superior non-Asian man over Asian man. In contrast, Asian men are least sought by women of all races. Asian women still go for Asian men but still prefer whites. With all the rap music stuff, I'll bet many will go Negro. Consider the crazy Chinese ho who had her black boyfriend killed. And Ellen Pao would rather marry a homo Negro than a Chinese guy.

    Now, I believe in exism above all. Exism is exist-ism. Before all else is possible, you must exist. And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon. In Asia, yellow puds and poons came together and created more yellow boys and girls. In the West, yellow poons are popular but yellow puds aren't. And as yellow girls become Americanized, they take on American attitudes which values black man highest as stud and yellow man(and maybe a Gomezer) lowest. (But Mexers, even short squat ones, find women cuz their standards are low. Asian guys got college degrees and want quality women. A Gomezer will settle for any woman who can make taco.) Anyway, an Exist(Exism-ist) must think in terms of securing one's existence above all else.

    Now, yanny is alive only because a yellow man humped a yellow woman. He exists cuz of that meeting of pud and poon of his pa and ma. But suppose his pa and ma had grown up in the West. His ma would have taken on American attitudes and noticed that non-yellow men are superior. So, if Yannie's pa had asked Yannie's ma for marriage in the West, she would have flashed a sign "no dogs and chinese men allowed in my womb". Then yanny wouldn't exist. Yanny's ma's womb would have produced some kid for white man, Jewish man, or black man.

    It's like that movie BACK TO THE FUTURE. Michael J. Fox's existence is at stake. He must go to the past to ensure that his pa meet his ma in order for him to exist.

    So, yanny, the real problem for you fellers is you are sexually rejected by yellow women. This matters because life comes first. Whether yanny gets college degree, has leftist thought, has rightist thoughts, is religious, is secular, and etc are all secondary. All that is possible ONLY BECAUSE he exists. Thus exism comes first. You must secure existence. In the West, yellow wombs reject yellow men and produce kids for other men. So, in the West, future yannies have a lower chance of coming into existence because yellow women(like yanny's ma), if given a choice among various races of men, will likely choose outside her race. It's like Chua has affection for her father but no attraction to men like that. (If her mother had grown up in the West, she most likely would have been like her daughter and married outside race.)

    So, if yellow men have sense, they should go back to Asia and close borders and put up sign, "You no come here and take our girl. She no longer so horny." Yellows may be civilized and have long history, but their mentality isn't much different from primitive Indian savage. Indian savage give white man his daughter for material goods. Why do yellow fathers come to west and give their girls to other men? Bigger houses and cars. Giving away wombs for cars. But then, humans are organisms and will give up identity, culture, and etc. just for better material life and comfort. To preserve culture, one has to value something more than comfort. It's like some American Jews decide to live in Israel out of love and reverence. In material terms, he's much better off in the US. But he has this historical bond with the holy land.

    Racial security means men's control of land and wombs. Without land, you have no home turf and sacred territory to defend. Without wombs, there is no security for the future as all kids are born of women. Given those considerations, people must deal with reality. By global standards, asian males have the lowest market value sexually; therefore, it is stupid for yellow boys to venture outside Asia except as businessmen.

    The great tragedy of The West is afro-womb-colonization. Black men are not only coming to the West and having too many kids but colonizing wombs of white women on jungle fever. I was looking at youtube videos of street life in Paris and you often see white women with black men. And this is promoted by schools, pop culture, movies, and etc. And millions and millions of black men are headed to Europe. White European women don't stand with white men but go with Negro men and use wombs to make babies for invader men. France is always exploding with non-white births, and those births are only from African wombs but white wombs.
    It's the pleasure principle or meth-head principle. People will do what is pleasurable even if it leads to demise of system. If bigger dongs give women more pleasure, then white women will go with bigger dongs of Negroes. Pleasure trumps all. It's like even people who know pigs are smart and shouldn't be killed go on eating pork. Why? Pleasure of pork as food.
    When the Huns attacked Germanics, Germanics attacked Romans. Germanics got pushed, so they pushed against others. As Negroes conquer white wombs, white men are gonna seek compensation with yellow wombs. It's the push effect.

    So, if yanny really thinks about the WHY of his existence, he will think of taking his kind back to his homeland and keeping the land and womenfolk for themselves and keeping out foreign devils. It's the rule of exism. Be an Exist. Be like Michael J. Fox.

    https://youtu.be/vPrPfkT82Pw?t=38s

    ‘And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon.’

    I’ve come across your sage words before but neglected to reply. You seem intensely immature. Perhaps it’s mainly emotional immaturity? At any rate, there are real, grown up words to describe what you do with the vocabulary of a high schooler. Incidentally, correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re from Michigan? That’s the only place I’ve really heard those lovely words, just curious. My guess also is you’ve tasted some of that Asian poon at least once. Doesn’t have much taste, does it?

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    It's not immature. It's the fact of organicism.

    I was reading Wolin's book about May 68 and Maoism. WIND FROM THE EAST.

    I think maybe May 68 was the last great ideological struggle of the West, esp Europe. Why? Europe was mostly white back then. So, it was a battle for ideas.

    But look now. Ideologies matter less. It's about biologies. It's about numbers, demographics, muscles, brains, genitalia, and etc. Diversity made ideas secondary. The real conflicts are decided by biological differences despite PC's attempt to deny it with bogus terms like 'incluuuuuusion'.

    I used to watch a lot of animal programs as a kid. Wild Wild World of Animals was my fav show long ago on PBS. Back then, I saw animals as animals and humans as humans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EScsg__kI

    But as the West becomes more diverse in our post-ideological age, the main competitions are along biological lines. PC does its best to deny this, but it's everywhere in crime, sports, pop culture, education, sex/mating, and etc.

    Consider the demographic birth patterns in France. It's no longer about ideology. This-ism, that-ism, whatever-ism. Biology has returned. And all the things I learned about animal behavior now applies to human behavior.

    I think even the 'left' is sort of aware of this. Even as it denies race, it goes on and on about race and identity. And the big theme of identity is about 'gender'. We even have pussyhats.

    Also, Pop Culture has gone Afro, and blacks are the most 'natural' people. Pop Culture animalizes our sensibilities. And their expression is

    black female: 'Muh booty', usually 'twerking'.

    black male: 'Muh dick'.

    Welcome to the Wild Wild World of Humans.

  207. Olorin says:
    @Kevin C.

    Their momentum means it won’t stop, it will have to collapse.
     
    Indeed. If only that collapse weren't guaranteed to take all of civilization down with it. Or at least most of us, as the foundation of "hating whitey" will only stop providing money and power once there truly is no more "whitey" to hate.

    the foundation of “hating whitey” will only stop providing money and power once there truly is no more “whitey” to hate.

    The question is who’s signing the checks and the employment contracts.

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  208. Olorin says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    Then we have the Asian thing.

    Now that’s comedy.

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  209. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    The slaves were by definition, those who were stupid enough to get caught in the first place. There must be some selection filter there.

    iirc a lot of it was mixed Arab/African slave raiders (like the Janjaweed currently operating in Sudan) and some of it prisoners from tribal wars.

    (apparently the west African tribes originally mounted the heads of prisoners around their walls but selling them into slavery was more profitable)

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  210. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Sixty-three million people used their vote this past November to declare that Donald Trump should be President of The United States. Those are the only people to blame for this catastrophe. Stop looking for other people to blame. And what are the chances that those people will ever be more responsible citizens of our democracy? I'm assuming zero. The only consolation is that a lot of them will have died off by the next time we go to the polls (with a little help from Trump's policies perhaps). Hillary did not mince words about Trump's unfitness for office. The people who failed to hear her deserve all of our scorn.

    Then we have the Asian thing. WTF? Yes, let's remember all those Jews we admitted prior to WWII to save them from the Nazis. Let's ignore Henry Ford's rabid anti-Semitism. As for Asians, how many were sold into slavery and involuntarily taken from the families, separated from their spouses, parents, and children? We all have our struggles. Each person, each group, each everything. I don't give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not. I care about stopping insidious discrimination perpetrated by whites

    I don’t give a friggin damX how one minority did well when others did not.

    Tiny Duck, you are a blinkered, incurious person. Your anti-intellectualism does you no credit.

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  211. @Peripatetic commenter
    Following up, I think the odds are good that the Nebula awards have been subverted just like the Hugos have.

    However, more than that, two very good Science Fiction novels that were not even nominated for an award (I believe) that were vastly better than anything nominated were:

    The Martian, initially self published, and

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt.

    I also think that mainstream publishers are foisting insipid SJW shit on us like Afternoon Tea with Pronouns, as you can see in this article by Nick Cole about how Ctrl-Alt-Revolt came to be indie published:

    http://www.nickcolebooks.com/2016/02/09/banned-by-the-publisher/

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt ranks up there with the best of the best, IMO.

    I was wrong.

    Ctrl-Alt-Revolt was nominated for and received the Dragon Award in 2016.

    The Dragon Award is unlikely to be infiltrated by SJWs.

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  212. res says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    I welcome a thoughtful rebuttal if you have one.
     
    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    I went and looked at Ted Chiang's book of stories (About your life and Others, or whatever.) I started reading the freely available stuff on Amazon, and it is slow ploding boring stuff. It seems to be about people building a tower to the sky with bricks ...

    So then I re-read the beginnings of Protector and The Mote In God's Eye, as well as recalling Quantum Mortis: A man disrupted by Vox Day and The Corroding Empire by Johan Kalsi (which I read recently.

    https://www.amazon.com/QUANTUM-MORTIS-Man-Disrupted-Vox-ebook/dp/B00I4W7WTS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404287&sr=8-1&keywords=Quantum+Mortis

    https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-Corroding-Empire-Book-1-ebook/dp/B06XFQ24QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492404788&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Corroding+Empire

    Protector introduces the idea that humans arose from a species from towards the center of the galaxy 2.5M years ago and mutated and our first alien was one of them come to save us ...

    The Mote In God's Eye is perhaps the best Science Fiction story ever written and is another very different alien contact story.

    Quantum Mortis is very well written (IMO) and includes the concept of the ruling class expanding the franchise by giving AIs the vote, a concept very similar to one of Steve's favorite topics (electing a new people).

    The Corroding Empire introduces the notion of Algorithmic Internal Variable Decay, or AlgoDecay, as the cause of the Galactic Empire's destruction and includes a series of stories that explores that process.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Algorithmic_Internal_Variable_Delay

    Then's there's Cheak Kai Wai's Flashpoint Titan, which was nominated for a Hugo but was beaten by inferior crap.

    By contrast, what I read of Ted Chiang's in tha first story told me to stop reading.

    Now, damn you, I have to finish re-reading Protector even though I wanted to finish writing some software!

    You bastard. Now I am hooked rereading Protector.

    LOL. Watch out or I’ll try to convince you to (re)read the whole Tales of Known Space series.

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  213. Mark F. says:
    @Altrabbi
    It's funny how Sullivan explains Asian vs. blacks outcomes through culture, when everyone likely remembers that Sullivan believes in HBD and used to promote open discussion on the topic

    And where does culture come from?

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  214. @Autochthon
    Of course, Asians can easily avoid all of this heartache by simply returning to Asia, where they belong; similarly, Europeans can find refuge among their own people in their own lands by....

    Wait, what's that...?

    Oh.

    @autochthon

    I’ll finish your thought for you: it’s Europe.

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  215. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    Yanny, the only discrimination yellow boys should worry about is sexual discrimination by yellow women. All else is fooey.

    It's like Sailer's piece "Is Humping Colorblind?" In Asia, yellow girls only knew yellow boys. So, they were okay with that. But once they go global and come to West, they have choice of wide range of men. Asian men have that choice too but women don't like them. There was a news piece about some online dating site where Asian women were most popular among all men. They figure Asian women will be easy since, given the choice, they will choose superior non-Asian man over Asian man. In contrast, Asian men are least sought by women of all races. Asian women still go for Asian men but still prefer whites. With all the rap music stuff, I'll bet many will go Negro. Consider the crazy Chinese ho who had her black boyfriend killed. And Ellen Pao would rather marry a homo Negro than a Chinese guy.

    Now, I believe in exism above all. Exism is exist-ism. Before all else is possible, you must exist. And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon. In Asia, yellow puds and poons came together and created more yellow boys and girls. In the West, yellow poons are popular but yellow puds aren't. And as yellow girls become Americanized, they take on American attitudes which values black man highest as stud and yellow man(and maybe a Gomezer) lowest. (But Mexers, even short squat ones, find women cuz their standards are low. Asian guys got college degrees and want quality women. A Gomezer will settle for any woman who can make taco.) Anyway, an Exist(Exism-ist) must think in terms of securing one's existence above all else.

    Now, yanny is alive only because a yellow man humped a yellow woman. He exists cuz of that meeting of pud and poon of his pa and ma. But suppose his pa and ma had grown up in the West. His ma would have taken on American attitudes and noticed that non-yellow men are superior. So, if Yannie's pa had asked Yannie's ma for marriage in the West, she would have flashed a sign "no dogs and chinese men allowed in my womb". Then yanny wouldn't exist. Yanny's ma's womb would have produced some kid for white man, Jewish man, or black man.

    It's like that movie BACK TO THE FUTURE. Michael J. Fox's existence is at stake. He must go to the past to ensure that his pa meet his ma in order for him to exist.

    So, yanny, the real problem for you fellers is you are sexually rejected by yellow women. This matters because life comes first. Whether yanny gets college degree, has leftist thought, has rightist thoughts, is religious, is secular, and etc are all secondary. All that is possible ONLY BECAUSE he exists. Thus exism comes first. You must secure existence. In the West, yellow wombs reject yellow men and produce kids for other men. So, in the West, future yannies have a lower chance of coming into existence because yellow women(like yanny's ma), if given a choice among various races of men, will likely choose outside her race. It's like Chua has affection for her father but no attraction to men like that. (If her mother had grown up in the West, she most likely would have been like her daughter and married outside race.)

    So, if yellow men have sense, they should go back to Asia and close borders and put up sign, "You no come here and take our girl. She no longer so horny." Yellows may be civilized and have long history, but their mentality isn't much different from primitive Indian savage. Indian savage give white man his daughter for material goods. Why do yellow fathers come to west and give their girls to other men? Bigger houses and cars. Giving away wombs for cars. But then, humans are organisms and will give up identity, culture, and etc. just for better material life and comfort. To preserve culture, one has to value something more than comfort. It's like some American Jews decide to live in Israel out of love and reverence. In material terms, he's much better off in the US. But he has this historical bond with the holy land.

    Racial security means men's control of land and wombs. Without land, you have no home turf and sacred territory to defend. Without wombs, there is no security for the future as all kids are born of women. Given those considerations, people must deal with reality. By global standards, asian males have the lowest market value sexually; therefore, it is stupid for yellow boys to venture outside Asia except as businessmen.

    The great tragedy of The West is afro-womb-colonization. Black men are not only coming to the West and having too many kids but colonizing wombs of white women on jungle fever. I was looking at youtube videos of street life in Paris and you often see white women with black men. And this is promoted by schools, pop culture, movies, and etc. And millions and millions of black men are headed to Europe. White European women don't stand with white men but go with Negro men and use wombs to make babies for invader men. France is always exploding with non-white births, and those births are only from African wombs but white wombs.
    It's the pleasure principle or meth-head principle. People will do what is pleasurable even if it leads to demise of system. If bigger dongs give women more pleasure, then white women will go with bigger dongs of Negroes. Pleasure trumps all. It's like even people who know pigs are smart and shouldn't be killed go on eating pork. Why? Pleasure of pork as food.
    When the Huns attacked Germanics, Germanics attacked Romans. Germanics got pushed, so they pushed against others. As Negroes conquer white wombs, white men are gonna seek compensation with yellow wombs. It's the push effect.

    So, if yanny really thinks about the WHY of his existence, he will think of taking his kind back to his homeland and keeping the land and womenfolk for themselves and keeping out foreign devils. It's the rule of exism. Be an Exist. Be like Michael J. Fox.

    https://youtu.be/vPrPfkT82Pw?t=38s

    Alternatively, Asian men could settle for the ugliest Asian women in the West, or bring women over from the old country. Through arranged marriages, which still exist, or as “e-mail brides” .
    Rest assured that thankfully there’s never gonna be a shortage of Chinamen or China Girls in this world. (would David Bowie’s song be considered racist today? It must have made many a China Boy sad in its day)

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  216. @Anon
    Yanny, the only discrimination yellow boys should worry about is sexual discrimination by yellow women. All else is fooey.

    It's like Sailer's piece "Is Humping Colorblind?" In Asia, yellow girls only knew yellow boys. So, they were okay with that. But once they go global and come to West, they have choice of wide range of men. Asian men have that choice too but women don't like them. There was a news piece about some online dating site where Asian women were most popular among all men. They figure Asian women will be easy since, given the choice, they will choose superior non-Asian man over Asian man. In contrast, Asian men are least sought by women of all races. Asian women still go for Asian men but still prefer whites. With all the rap music stuff, I'll bet many will go Negro. Consider the crazy Chinese ho who had her black boyfriend killed. And Ellen Pao would rather marry a homo Negro than a Chinese guy.

    Now, I believe in exism above all. Exism is exist-ism. Before all else is possible, you must exist. And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon. In Asia, yellow puds and poons came together and created more yellow boys and girls. In the West, yellow poons are popular but yellow puds aren't. And as yellow girls become Americanized, they take on American attitudes which values black man highest as stud and yellow man(and maybe a Gomezer) lowest. (But Mexers, even short squat ones, find women cuz their standards are low. Asian guys got college degrees and want quality women. A Gomezer will settle for any woman who can make taco.) Anyway, an Exist(Exism-ist) must think in terms of securing one's existence above all else.

    Now, yanny is alive only because a yellow man humped a yellow woman. He exists cuz of that meeting of pud and poon of his pa and ma. But suppose his pa and ma had grown up in the West. His ma would have taken on American attitudes and noticed that non-yellow men are superior. So, if Yannie's pa had asked Yannie's ma for marriage in the West, she would have flashed a sign "no dogs and chinese men allowed in my womb". Then yanny wouldn't exist. Yanny's ma's womb would have produced some kid for white man, Jewish man, or black man.

    It's like that movie BACK TO THE FUTURE. Michael J. Fox's existence is at stake. He must go to the past to ensure that his pa meet his ma in order for him to exist.

    So, yanny, the real problem for you fellers is you are sexually rejected by yellow women. This matters because life comes first. Whether yanny gets college degree, has leftist thought, has rightist thoughts, is religious, is secular, and etc are all secondary. All that is possible ONLY BECAUSE he exists. Thus exism comes first. You must secure existence. In the West, yellow wombs reject yellow men and produce kids for other men. So, in the West, future yannies have a lower chance of coming into existence because yellow women(like yanny's ma), if given a choice among various races of men, will likely choose outside her race. It's like Chua has affection for her father but no attraction to men like that. (If her mother had grown up in the West, she most likely would have been like her daughter and married outside race.)

    So, if yellow men have sense, they should go back to Asia and close borders and put up sign, "You no come here and take our girl. She no longer so horny." Yellows may be civilized and have long history, but their mentality isn't much different from primitive Indian savage. Indian savage give white man his daughter for material goods. Why do yellow fathers come to west and give their girls to other men? Bigger houses and cars. Giving away wombs for cars. But then, humans are organisms and will give up identity, culture, and etc. just for better material life and comfort. To preserve culture, one has to value something more than comfort. It's like some American Jews decide to live in Israel out of love and reverence. In material terms, he's much better off in the US. But he has this historical bond with the holy land.

    Racial security means men's control of land and wombs. Without land, you have no home turf and sacred territory to defend. Without wombs, there is no security for the future as all kids are born of women. Given those considerations, people must deal with reality. By global standards, asian males have the lowest market value sexually; therefore, it is stupid for yellow boys to venture outside Asia except as businessmen.

    The great tragedy of The West is afro-womb-colonization. Black men are not only coming to the West and having too many kids but colonizing wombs of white women on jungle fever. I was looking at youtube videos of street life in Paris and you often see white women with black men. And this is promoted by schools, pop culture, movies, and etc. And millions and millions of black men are headed to Europe. White European women don't stand with white men but go with Negro men and use wombs to make babies for invader men. France is always exploding with non-white births, and those births are only from African wombs but white wombs.
    It's the pleasure principle or meth-head principle. People will do what is pleasurable even if it leads to demise of system. If bigger dongs give women more pleasure, then white women will go with bigger dongs of Negroes. Pleasure trumps all. It's like even people who know pigs are smart and shouldn't be killed go on eating pork. Why? Pleasure of pork as food.
    When the Huns attacked Germanics, Germanics attacked Romans. Germanics got pushed, so they pushed against others. As Negroes conquer white wombs, white men are gonna seek compensation with yellow wombs. It's the push effect.

    So, if yanny really thinks about the WHY of his existence, he will think of taking his kind back to his homeland and keeping the land and womenfolk for themselves and keeping out foreign devils. It's the rule of exism. Be an Exist. Be like Michael J. Fox.

    https://youtu.be/vPrPfkT82Pw?t=38s

    Somehow, I don’t think that we’ll be ceasing to exist anytime soon, though ‘pud’ and ‘poon’ is pretty amusing. As for myself, I’ve certainly experienced what they might call reduced sexual market value but it wasn’t anything insurmountable.

    As far as other discrimination goes, to be frank, at the end of the day I actually do think that the free market largely solves problems. I’ve been in some remarkably “racist” Southern towns, but at the end of the day, I’ve managed relatively well despite driving jokes.

    Deep down inside, almost everyone is most loyal to the color of green.

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  217. @Yan Shen
    I do agree with Jeff Guo on one thing. Asian Americans suffer from significant discrimination in America today. I've argued ad nauseum before that black, white, and Hispanic Americans discriminate against Asian Americans in ways that we wouldn't countenance if it were any other ethnic group in this country.

    It's bad enough that it's considered perfectly okay by black, white, and Hispanic Americans to mock and denigrate Asians on a regular basis in this country, but then you also have actual institutionalized racism in this country that discriminates against Asian Americans in the form of college admissions, etc. And on top of that, given the East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from business and politics, Asian Americans are mostly ignored in our national discourse. This triple whammy really hits Asian Americans hard in this country.

    At the end of the day, effectively subtle work on representation and dignity does much more good than any agitation for representation. And it would seem more our way, anyway, than to try to make a lot of noise and cry and yammer.

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  218. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    'And all beings come into existence through meeting of pud and poon.'

    I've come across your sage words before but neglected to reply. You seem intensely immature. Perhaps it's mainly emotional immaturity? At any rate, there are real, grown up words to describe what you do with the vocabulary of a high schooler. Incidentally, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're from Michigan? That's the only place I've really heard those lovely words, just curious. My guess also is you've tasted some of that Asian poon at least once. Doesn't have much taste, does it?

    It’s not immature. It’s the fact of organicism.

    I was reading Wolin’s book about May 68 and Maoism. WIND FROM THE EAST.

    I think maybe May 68 was the last great ideological struggle of the West, esp Europe. Why? Europe was mostly white back then. So, it was a battle for ideas.

    But look now. Ideologies matter less. It’s about biologies. It’s about numbers, demographics, muscles, brains, genitalia, and etc. Diversity made ideas secondary. The real conflicts are decided by biological differences despite PC’s attempt to deny it with bogus terms like ‘incluuuuuusion’.

    I used to watch a lot of animal programs as a kid. Wild Wild World of Animals was my fav show long ago on PBS. Back then, I saw animals as animals and humans as humans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EScsg__kI

    But as the West becomes more diverse in our post-ideological age, the main competitions are along biological lines. PC does its best to deny this, but it’s everywhere in crime, sports, pop culture, education, sex/mating, and etc.

    Consider the demographic birth patterns in France. It’s no longer about ideology. This-ism, that-ism, whatever-ism. Biology has returned. And all the things I learned about animal behavior now applies to human behavior.

    I think even the ‘left’ is sort of aware of this. Even as it denies race, it goes on and on about race and identity. And the big theme of identity is about ‘gender’. We even have pussyhats.

    Also, Pop Culture has gone Afro, and blacks are the most ‘natural’ people. Pop Culture animalizes our sensibilities. And their expression is

    black female: ‘Muh booty’, usually ‘twerking’.

    black male: ‘Muh dick’.

    Welcome to the Wild Wild World of Humans.

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  219. Svigor says:

    ‘He said, “slave owners killed all the smart slaves.”’

    That would mean that all the smartest Blacks in Africa were sold by the dumber Blacks, who’d conquered and enslaved them. Because even after this supposed culling at the hands of Whites, American Blacks are far better off in every measurable way than African Blacks. Obviously the idea that they owe it to Whites is off the table for the purposes of this worldview.

    Possible, but not plausible.

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  220. Travis says:
    @Anon
    "Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives?"

    Uh oh... why do I feel yellows and hindus are going to be the ones screaming most about this?

    "We are victims too, just like blacks and browns and etc."

    Asian success seems ephemeral. It's been said Japanese-Americans have done well despite internment and all that. But people can only exist through sex, and it seems Japanese-American women go with white men and their kids won't even be Asian. My guess is Japanese American men are not very successful and many will die childless... like that funny guy in FARGO.

    Will things be different with Chinese cuz they're arriving in such huge numbers? But according to Amy Chua in her book, she and many of her Chinese friends reject Chinese men and go Jewish/white.

    As for Hindus, there seems to be more ingroup marriage. Is it because white men find Hindu women less attractive? Is it because their culture is more tribal by nature? Generally, when I walk around, I see most Hindu women with Hindu men. Some even wear saris and traditional outfit. But most East Asian women seem to be with other men.

    Hindus will likely become more prominent in US for this reason. They still have unity of men and women.

    Indian women are far less attractive than whites, which is a big reason they are less likely to marry whites. Indians are more likely to be religious, maintain their culture here and typically refuse to eat meat. I could never marry a vegetarian, but they would also reject omnivores. Arranged marriages are still common among Indians, but are rare among Orientals. East Asians also seem to admire America’s success , while Indians have more resentment against Europeans.

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  221. Martin says:

    But Steve, Steve! Did you know Bhutanese-Americans have higher rates of poverty than other asian groups? This completely dismantles Sullivan’s arguments

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

    “Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans.”

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  222. @Martin
    But Steve, Steve! Did you know Bhutanese-Americans have higher rates of poverty than other asian groups? This completely dismantles Sullivan's arguments

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks


    "Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans."
     

    Thanks.

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  223. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    "I think Jeff Guo double majored in math and economics from MIT. His SJW activism is still a rarity among East Asians though."

    Maybe his SJW resentment stems from him not landing a plum Wall Street job out of college, which is what you would expect would be the goal of someone who majored in those subjects at a top notch institution.

    Math and economics are more suited for academia than Wall Street.

    Wall Street will hire number-crunchers, but executive types have to be social-savvy.

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  224. Brutusale says:
    @Jeremy Cooper

    Washington Post reporter Jeff Guo wrote an epic-length Tweet storm with every Angry Asian cliche imaginable: the Model Minority Myth is racist, Asians are discriminated against in the U.S., they weren’t even allowed in for awhile, the food tastes awful, and the portions are so small.

     

    That is an amazing thread. He says that Asians don't actually earn more than whites when you control for education. So we're controlling for education now when comparing racial achievement? When talking about blacks and Hispanics, relatively low education is blamed on racism. And then he says that the reason that Asians are so obsessed with education is that they need it to overcome racism. So it's racism, racism, racism, no matter what the outcome.

    There are lunatic on the internet who believe in a Jewish conspiracy behind everything and twist every fact to fit that narrative. This mindset is no less demented, but people like this actually have a platform.

    Controlling for income only proves that Asian guys don’t become plumbers or electricians. When’s the last time you saw an Asian tradesman? It’s a case where his culture looks down on a solid profession with good earning potential.

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  225. Michelle says:
    @Father O'Hara
    In college I was in an "encounter group". One of the other members was a girl named Lila.She was Chinese and boy oh boy did she hate her dictatorial,drunk,abusive,gun totin' nasty old father!
    And yes,I made a play,but it was politely rejected.

    Well, father, you win some, you lose some. Maybe, she was not a racist and she just put all men, white, Asian, and in between, in the same category.

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