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From the New York Times:

The European Union Is Under Threat. Artists Say It’s Time to Rebrand.

By Nina Siegal
May 29, 2018

AMSTERDAM — With populist politicians across the Continent attacking the European Union and negotiations underway for Britain to leave the bloc, the very idea of a unified Europe seems to be under threat. Some artists feel the union needs to rethink its public image and refine its communications strategy to combat these attacks. In other words: to rebrand Europe.

The German photographer Wolfgang Tillmans has teamed up with a friend, the Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas, to encourage artists and other creative people to brainstorm ways for Europe to better present itself to the public.

They put out a call in March for rebranding proposals, asking: “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?” They requested ideas “for communicating the advantages of cooperation and friendship amongst people and nations.”

More than 400 proposals from 43 countries poured in. A German fashion designer had an idea for a unisex jacket that would serve as a ticket for public transportation in all 28 member states. A dance troupe with members from Albania, France and Italy proposed filming folk dances at European historical sites that could then be broadcast or viewed with virtual reality goggles. A musician from Hungary proposed a new anthem, and dozens of artists sent sketches for new European Union flags and designs for new euro bills and coins. Several proposals suggested the bloc needed to develop a new sense of humor.

Starting Thursday, about 30 of those who submitted the liveliest ideas will participate in Eurolab, a four-day event led by Mr. Tillmans, Mr. Koolhaas and the architectural historian Stephan Petermann during the Forum on European Culture in Amsterdam. Yoeri Albrecht, one of the forum’s organizers, described Eurolab as “a kind of jam session for the greatest cultural thinkers in Europe to tinker and work with the idea of Europe.”

If you don’t believe they’re the greatest, just ask their PR agents.

It might seem obvious for the European Union to contend against nationalism within Europe by emphasizing “continentalism” across Europe by positioning the EU as the defender of Europe and its indigenous Europeans from the on-going invasions by non-Europeans.

But “continentalism” is barely even a word in 2018.

 
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  1. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I like the EU flag. Maybe they could flap that around.

    Steve I’m hoping you’ll write something about Kim Kardashian’s going to the White House to discuss prison reform and early release. Well she’s married to a black man and early release and lenient sentencing is a major issue for blacks.

    All the moralists can have a good old time carrying on about her lack of basic decency. Maybe someone can post some if her many nude pictures. It’ll be fun

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    Hardcore leniency, to the point of subsidizing the antisocial, seems to be the new hot trend. I saw that the Seattle library has jumped on the bandwagon by a new program to clear the fines and penalties of underprivileged youth, because the clearly articulated consequences of their actions are a systemic oppression.

    What a time to be alive for those with a dark sense of humor.
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  2. Tyrion 2 says:

    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Perspicacious! Even if it took a while.

    I’d still be against the EU for reasons of accountable government and a democracy needing a coherent demos, but sadly I’d be making arcane points from the fringe.

    Nonetheless, I assume that my point all but precludes them remedying the former. Not that it would were they less dogmatic and a lot smarter, but they’re not, so their project will die.

    Maybe it can be reborn as Germany, France and BeNeLux? That would probably work.

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    • Replies: @Altai
    This is what always amuses me lately when neo-cons and other establishment types bemoan how the anti-refugee rhetoric of say the Polish government will tear the EU apart.

    They'll never mention how the massive and completely uncontrollable influx from the new members into the UK was the key ingredient for Brexit. There were the old guard like Farage who would reject the notion just out of nostalgia for an Imperial Britain or a sense of superiority but the key cohorts who switched to reject EU membership were the ones displaced and had their quality of life and wages reduced by mass EU migration that could never be stopped while a member of the EU and which promised to be quite an unending flow, even intensifying immigration from other EU countries who had stopped supplying so many immigrants once the economy had been transformed to suit immigrants. (This is often underappreciated in other EU countries because they got very little intra-EU immigration and it is often high skilled and from neighbouring or other Western European countries.)

    That's how Poland destroyed the EU, not by putting a slight spanner in the works of redistributing the spivs Merkel let in but by doing what they wanted it to do.

    Other problems caused by the new members was the tension and problems from their use by neo-cons as Washington proxies to thwart normal relations with Putin's Russia. This also prevented a cohesive EU foreign policy which suited the neo-cons quite well also.

    I honestly hope we get a break-up and the formation of smaller regional entities that fit together better.

    , @Maciano
    I'm Dutch. You think the Benelux wants to be one country with Germany and France?

    Like all Europeans I believe we should leave the past as the past, bygones and all.

    But we shouldn’t also be blind to the past. You know Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler etc. didn’t just fail to unite Europe because they were nasty guys. They failed, at least in part, because Europe is ununifiable. This is what the EU is learning now, too.

    We’re just too different in nature, too determined in character, and too established to dissolve in a new unit.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be ruled by Franco-Germany. They would bleed us dry, and I can do without their muslims, too.
    , @Anon

    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.
     
    Please give detail on the conversation.
    , @J.Ross
    GFBNL would completely escape the still-unanswered problems of dishonestly letting in countries like Greece (which clearly do not belong economically) and of pretending that members are equals. In fact, had that been what they went with years ago, almost all of the their worst problems would not be bothering them.
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  3. DFH says:

    It might seem obvious for the European Union to contend against nationalism within Europe by emphasizing “continentalism” across Europe by positioning the EU as the defender of Europe and its indigenous Europeans from the on-going invasions by non-Europeans.

    Wouldn’t the word(s) for that be ‘white nationalism’?

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    It would be Big Media's word for it, for sure.
    , @Lurker

    Wouldn’t the word(s) for that be ‘white nationalism’?
     
    Thats what I was going to say!
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  4. Arclight says:

    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work – after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to ‘diversify’ themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

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    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @bartok

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work
     
    Lots of free Master's degrees in English and an increasing number of free Bachelor's degrees in English aren't making an effort?
    https://www.wi.tum.de/programs/bachelor-in-mt/

    Automatic visa for top-50 MBA new graduates wasn't making an effort?
    http://workpermit.com/news/uk-immigration-provision-mba-graduates-20050404

    While these efforts are dwarfed by 'Refugees Welcome', they do exist.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to liInve and work
     
    This is pretty astounding when you think about it. The educated Anglosphere has always been suckers for anything "Continental."

    In retrospect, it was tragically low-hanging fruit. Encourage it with job-training and language instruction, give out citizenship, and they could have revived their society instead of replacing themselves with dim Africans and Arabs.

    I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization.
    , @eD
    The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the "talented and educated", so they import peasants.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work....
     
    As someone who was around in that industry in 2000s or so when Europe was in a tech deficiency(and still is, to some extent), Europe never really was able to get Americans in IT due to the pay differentials and tax structure. Structural differences in government meant that European companies always paid less, and if you were a young guy willing to move, you would most likely relocate to someone that paid well, and Europe could only compete with benefits that meant little to the young.

    So while the tech deficiency lasted, Continental Europe basically existed ideally as a place for plunder. You went there to install software or hardware for companies that were generally behind and lacked their own skilled workers, and made a killing, then you left and made sure that your money wouldn't be taxed by their governments. Being a consultant was great work, but being an employee was not.

    Plenty of other challenges: red tape, harder startup formation, unions and seniority, and so on. This has shifted in my opinion now to sheninigans played within Europe by other Europeans, and American involved has reduced as Europe has developed its own technological workers.
    , @Anonymous
    Europe has relatively high unemployment rates, high cost of living, rigid labor market and business regulations, etc. Populist ire is directed not just at low skilled immigrants from the Mideast and Africa, but also at workers who take jobs such as the Polish in Britain.
    , @Philip Owen
    There is a Commonwealth visa scheme that allows C citizens to work, permit free, for one year, two if they work in agriculture. It's not well publicised but Australians in particular often stay in the UK after participating.
    , @Anon
    Northern and all European countries have no need to import skilled workers. There are hundred of universities that turn out stem tech business and medical people every year who have problems getting jobs.

    A major reason why UK uni grads voted remain is that they can’t jobs in the UK so they have to go to the continent. Germany and to a lesser extent France and Spain are full of British men in the stem jobs and women teaching English because there are no jobs at home.

    It’s the real estate, education and social services sectors that need masses of low skill life long welfare immigrants.
    , @ben tillman

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work – after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to ‘diversify’ themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.
     
    If a government is importing non-whites, the purpose is to make the country less white. Why would you imagine that the talent and education of white people would be relevant to the decisionmaking of such a government?
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  5. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe they can talk about the last time Europeans united; the crusades and the naval battles against the Turks.

    That’s when the Europeans united against the Muslim invaders. Now the European leadership is united against Europeans and bringing in Muslim invaders.

    Has the EU ever thought that bringing foreign invaders is not the way to endear the institution to the proles and peons.

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    Not really what happened. For most of this time France and many Protestant princes were de facto if not actually allied with the Turk.
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  6. bartok says:

    A German fashion designer had an idea for a unisex jacket that would serve as a ticket for public transportation in all 28 member states.

    Mao jackets it is.

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    • Replies: @German_reader

    Mao jackets it is
     
    Merkel jackets.
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  7. unit472 says:

    But that would mean people like Marine Le Pen and Victor Orban would have a say on the European Commission. The EU isn’t going to do that. In fact, it is getting ready to punish Italy if a 5 Star/Lega government is formed. OTOH, over in Greece, Syriza plans on clinging to power by allowing refugees to vote in its next national election.

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  8. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Unity is generally good, but not when it’s a suicide pact.

    The talking point is that the EU is necessary to prevent another inter-state World War, but the EU’s immigration policies are sowing the seeds of civil war and demographic dispossession of Europe’s native people. Pointing this obvious fact out is impossible though because “racist!” “Black Muslim immigrants are 100% European upon reception of a European passport.” The “new Germans” are exactly the same as the “old Germans” and “how dare you suggest otherwise.”

    It’s quasi-religious fanaticism. How do you reason with these people? Like a Cassandra protesting the Children’s Crusade. It’s madness.

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  9. bartok says:
    @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work

    Lots of free Master’s degrees in English and an increasing number of free Bachelor’s degrees in English aren’t making an effort?

    https://www.wi.tum.de/programs/bachelor-in-mt/

    Automatic visa for top-50 MBA new graduates wasn’t making an effort?

    http://workpermit.com/news/uk-immigration-provision-mba-graduates-20050404

    While these efforts are dwarfed by ‘Refugees Welcome’, they do exist.

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  10. NickG says:

    OT

    Steve bait – YouTube Greg Cochran interview.

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    Steve gets a solid endorsement at 1:12:o7
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  11. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:

    on-going invasions by non-Europeans.

    You mean, ongoing colonization. Use all the buzzwords you can.

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  12. a reader says:

    Wonder how much this §#[email protected] will cost !

    Well, just last week, France gave €65 M to … African start-ups.

    (Interesting number – France: 36 start-up/M people – Africa: 0,3 start-up/M people.)

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  13. backup says:

    Rem Koolhaas is, as an architect of modernist buildings, part of the problem.

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  14. At first sight, I thought Steve’s headline read “Europe’s Greatest Thinkers Tank.”

    After reading it, that alternative seems more accurate.

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  15. Here’s a “lively” idea.

    They should remake all the national flags but invert the colors by using their chromatic opposite, i.e. orange for blue, green for red, yellow for violet etc. This would show their contempt for today’s populist nationalism and their desire to “trans” everything. (Also inadvertently, by retaining the patterns, how their opposition is a type of dependency upon that to which they are opposed and not actual freedom at all–but that’s a little too subtle for most.)

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    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Anon
    When you mix all the colors you get brown. That would be appropriate.
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  16. Anon7 says:

    Maybe they should talk with Nubrand; they’re the designer of the Century Initiative website. They’re the ones who want to flood Canada with 60 million immigrants between now and 2100.

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  17. NickG says:
    @NickG

    Steve gets a solid endorsement at 1:12:o7

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  18. Altai says:
    @Tyrion 2
    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Perspicacious! Even if it took a while.

    I'd still be against the EU for reasons of accountable government and a democracy needing a coherent demos, but sadly I'd be making arcane points from the fringe.

    Nonetheless, I assume that my point all but precludes them remedying the former. Not that it would were they less dogmatic and a lot smarter, but they're not, so their project will die.

    Maybe it can be reborn as Germany, France and BeNeLux? That would probably work.

    This is what always amuses me lately when neo-cons and other establishment types bemoan how the anti-refugee rhetoric of say the Polish government will tear the EU apart.

    They’ll never mention how the massive and completely uncontrollable influx from the new members into the UK was the key ingredient for Brexit. There were the old guard like Farage who would reject the notion just out of nostalgia for an Imperial Britain or a sense of superiority but the key cohorts who switched to reject EU membership were the ones displaced and had their quality of life and wages reduced by mass EU migration that could never be stopped while a member of the EU and which promised to be quite an unending flow, even intensifying immigration from other EU countries who had stopped supplying so many immigrants once the economy had been transformed to suit immigrants. (This is often underappreciated in other EU countries because they got very little intra-EU immigration and it is often high skilled and from neighbouring or other Western European countries.)

    That’s how Poland destroyed the EU, not by putting a slight spanner in the works of redistributing the spivs Merkel let in but by doing what they wanted it to do.

    Other problems caused by the new members was the tension and problems from their use by neo-cons as Washington proxies to thwart normal relations with Putin’s Russia. This also prevented a cohesive EU foreign policy which suited the neo-cons quite well also.

    I honestly hope we get a break-up and the formation of smaller regional entities that fit together better.

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    “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?”
     
    How about you start by getting your accounts signed off, you FrancoBelge-German chisellers?
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-13-36_en.htm
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

    All the hoo-ha about Brexit being some brainless lumpenprole slide into Error and CrimeThink is so wide of the mark it's generally ridiculed, Over Here.

    All those "northern" constituencies (including, ironically, even larger numbers of Souf FC proles, e.g. the Medway towns and Kent) getting onside with Our Nigel is precisely, as you detail, the inevitable result of yet another slap round the chops from whoever the lineal descendants of Maggie's "Chicago Boys" are these days.

    "Free Movement" is simply cheap labour, and something not far removed from indentured servitude, as requested by those lobbies who control the Westminster crew (any colour of tie). We don't hate the Former Communist Bloc mugs who get shangaied as tenantry and field-hands by the landowners.

    But this is an island, and grossly overpopulated as it is. The only window of opportunity existed between the realisation of the Welfare State dream and its inevitable implosion, as the people who paid for it all are shunted off into the shadows in favour of new serfs from the former Empire and the defeated USSR's satellites. Cillit Bang! and the money's gone.
    I have a steady sinking feeling in my gut that that old British speciality, ruthless Civil War, is very much on the menu sooner or later.

    I guess the instigators are too young to remember that Brit anti-EU attitudes are basically old Wedgie Benn's conclusions, maintained into the modren era/ Which is why they lost. And will continue to lose, no matter how many retakes of the referendum they contrive. People can only take so much bending over, without reaction.

    Check these "Alt-Right comedians" and their silly, nationalistic Little Britain rants. Well not really. This is pretty much what the invisible, unheard, voiceless native Brits actually think. And aren't going to resile from anytime soon.

    The Rt Hon Anthony Wedgewood-Benn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzfgUv3ZKk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

    Dennis from Clay Cross - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINAvMtZ2BM
    Ricky from the Shrewsbury 24, upboating Dennis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weER1Jp3CU
    Jezza piles in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkJK6nANek

    Gorgeous George fi Dundee salutes Nigel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cF93B58Vw
    and puts euro-minion Kinnock the Younger straight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHZBmBuphk

    Rees-Mogg minor agrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

    And Dennis explains why Jezza will soon be PM. Bye-bye Mummy Theresa. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bJLBLt64M (good mouth-froth there, Beast of Bolsover)

    That dumpster-load of .. stuff .. is just the tip of the pooberg.
    We've just had enough. Jezza, Nigel, dodgy Galloway, The Mogg, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. We're OUT. Get used to it, Barnier.
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  19. @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to liInve and work

    This is pretty astounding when you think about it. The educated Anglosphere has always been suckers for anything “Continental.”

    In retrospect, it was tragically low-hanging fruit. Encourage it with job-training and language instruction, give out citizenship, and they could have revived their society instead of replacing themselves with dim Africans and Arabs.

    I’m not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization.

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    "I’m not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization."

    Not an expert (but then I don't particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will.

    My take is something got broken in Europeans by that war. The American zeitgeist of this era kind of discounts WWI and sort of presumes WWII laid the foundation for all that followed.

    I don't.

    "Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
    Shovel them under and let me work--
    I am the grass; I cover all.

    And pile them high at Gettysburg
    And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
    Shovel them under and let me work.
    Two years, ten years, and the passengers ask the conductor:
    What place is this?
    Where are we now?

    I am the grass.
    Let me work. "
    , @BB753
    On the contrary, both World Wars secured the victory for classical and modern liberalism, respectively.
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  20. peterike says:

    Koolhas is one of those ghastly “intellectuals” that only Europe can produce. A guy who goes from one terrible idea to another, one awful building to the next, and turns it all into a lucrative, lauded career. It’s pretty amazing. Tillmans is a gay degenerate. Such are the cultural leaders of Europe today.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    "...the Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas..."
     
    Am I wrong to think he's at least attempted to re-brand himself? A name that, when pronounced, sounds like "Cool House" reeks of suspicious coincidence when it belongs to an architect.
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  21. eD says:
    @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the “talented and educated”, so they import peasants.

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    • Replies: @fitzGetty
    ... but, fatally, they don’t teach the colonisers about duties and responsibilities —— just rights and entitlements ...
    , @Almost Missouri
    Peasants would be a step up from what they are importing.

    Actually, several steps up. Peasants are self-supporting, industrious and robust.

    Instead, they import professional dependents and criminals.

    , @Kylie
    "The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the 'talented and educated', so they import peasants."

    You are too kind. The elites don't want peasants. They want savages.
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  22. Wilkey says:

    The EU’s leaders could start by loving Europe, and Europeans, the way it wants Europeans to love the EU. It could start by treating its citizens like citizens, not subjects. It could start be recognizing that the job of a democratic leader is to listen to the will of the people, not tell the people that its will is wrong. It could start by not using the navies of EU countries to assist an invasion of Europe instead of defending against it. The EU leaders have absolutely no intention of ever doing any of those things, so this campaign is going nowhere fast.

    It’s rather odd (and revealing) that EU leaders are entirely willing to overturn precedent and law when it comes to assisting in the invasion of Europe by outsiders but cling furiously to tradition and law when the people of Europe want that shit to stop.

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    • Replies: @Regret
    Not so odd, I think. The rule of law is one value among many. When values conflict, you adhere to the one you hold in higher regard. When you have two values that are in accord, but you know your enemies do not share the higher one, you cudgel them with the lesser, and never mind that it isn't the one you really care about.

    Its hypocritical but not new. Certainly not unique to the EU.
    , @TheBoom
    "The EU’s leaders could start by loving Europe,"

    What fun is there in that? One of the perks of the elite is hating the rabble while positioning yourself as a kind and caring overlord.
    , @ben tillman
    Great comment!
    , @eah
    Rottweil: Luxuswohnungen für Herrenmenschen

    Ein geschichtlich einmaliger Vorgang: Unbekannte Personen ohne Ausweise wandern ein. Wie viele, das bestimmen die Einwanderer selbst. Sie bekommen für ihre bloße Anwesenheit Wohnungen und Geld, das den Steuerzahlern weggenommen wird. Die Einheimischen müssen in einer Art umgekehrtem Kolonialismus für die Eingewanderten arbeiten. Wenn sie Einwände haben, werden sie diffamiert.
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  23. AndrewR says:

    Perhaps the EU was doomed to failure from the start. Perhaps there is no tenable middle ground between ein Volk mit eine Sprache nationalism and We Are The World, blank-slate, philosemitic, negrophilic internationalism.

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  24. Maciano says:
    @Tyrion 2
    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Perspicacious! Even if it took a while.

    I'd still be against the EU for reasons of accountable government and a democracy needing a coherent demos, but sadly I'd be making arcane points from the fringe.

    Nonetheless, I assume that my point all but precludes them remedying the former. Not that it would were they less dogmatic and a lot smarter, but they're not, so their project will die.

    Maybe it can be reborn as Germany, France and BeNeLux? That would probably work.

    I’m Dutch. You think the Benelux wants to be one country with Germany and France?

    Like all Europeans I believe we should leave the past as the past, bygones and all.

    But we shouldn’t also be blind to the past. You know Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler etc. didn’t just fail to unite Europe because they were nasty guys. They failed, at least in part, because Europe is ununifiable. This is what the EU is learning now, too.

    We’re just too different in nature, too determined in character, and too established to dissolve in a new unit.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be ruled by Franco-Germany. They would bleed us dry, and I can do without their muslims, too.

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    Fair enough!
    , @Anon
    If you are Dutch, why do you have a Latin-sounding name?
    , @Almost Missouri
    It is true that in the crucial phase (late 20th C.) when the EU was just sinking its teeth into the Europeans, the ultimate must-only-be-uttered-in-uttermost-extremity reason for the EU was that "the warfare of the past must never be repeated."

    But this reasoning was always half-baked. Since at least Napoleon and arguably since the Thirty Years War, European warfare of the past was attempts to unify Europe by someone or other. So the half-assed idea, which was never critically examined, was apparently that if we preemptively unify Europe then there won't be anything to fight over. So now they got their unification, ... by throwing overboard everything else: democracy, the nations, culture, freedom, independence and now even the people themselves. In other words, they've sacrificed everything that you normally only lose after a terrible war, in order to avoid a terrible war.

    This is about as clever as allowing someone to take my car, so that no one can steal my car.

    It never ceases to amaze me how when big shots do things so obviously stupid that a little guy would be ridiculed unto death for the small-time version, for the big-time version, not only is he never punished, but no one even articulates how blindingly dumb he is.

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  25. Sunbeam says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to liInve and work
     
    This is pretty astounding when you think about it. The educated Anglosphere has always been suckers for anything "Continental."

    In retrospect, it was tragically low-hanging fruit. Encourage it with job-training and language instruction, give out citizenship, and they could have revived their society instead of replacing themselves with dim Africans and Arabs.

    I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization.

    “I’m not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization.”

    Not an expert (but then I don’t particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will.

    My take is something got broken in Europeans by that war. The American zeitgeist of this era kind of discounts WWI and sort of presumes WWII laid the foundation for all that followed.

    I don’t.

    “Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
    Shovel them under and let me work–
    I am the grass; I cover all.

    And pile them high at Gettysburg
    And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
    Shovel them under and let me work.
    Two years, ten years, and the passengers ask the conductor:
    What place is this?
    Where are we now?

    I am the grass.
    Let me work. “

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    At what point did something get broken in Americans? In Canadians? In Australians? In South Africans?

    All are arguably worse off now than Europeans. The "war", as such, is a red herring.
    , @donut
    "Not an expert (but then I don’t particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will."

    What seminal event , what unnecessary conflict did the USA involve itself in that led us to where we are today ?
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  26. @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work….

    As someone who was around in that industry in 2000s or so when Europe was in a tech deficiency(and still is, to some extent), Europe never really was able to get Americans in IT due to the pay differentials and tax structure. Structural differences in government meant that European companies always paid less, and if you were a young guy willing to move, you would most likely relocate to someone that paid well, and Europe could only compete with benefits that meant little to the young.

    So while the tech deficiency lasted, Continental Europe basically existed ideally as a place for plunder. You went there to install software or hardware for companies that were generally behind and lacked their own skilled workers, and made a killing, then you left and made sure that your money wouldn’t be taxed by their governments. Being a consultant was great work, but being an employee was not.

    Plenty of other challenges: red tape, harder startup formation, unions and seniority, and so on. This has shifted in my opinion now to sheninigans played within Europe by other Europeans, and American involved has reduced as Europe has developed its own technological workers.

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    I understand the issues as it relates to retarding entrepreneurial activity, but it still seems to me that just like some younger (and older) people are willing to live in Idaho or Montana for the access to the outdoors and can go without the pay that they could get somewhere else, there would be lots of younger Americans who would be perfectly happy to live in Europe at relatively low wages in exchange for the lifestyle. After all, there are tons of younger people in NYC, LA, SF, DC who are willing to scrape by just to be part of the scene.

    And even with Europe's insane immigration politics, surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East. Hundreds of years from now, it seems like historians will look at the immigration fiascos of Germany and Sweden as the suicide of traditional Europe, more so than the World Wars.
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  27. But “continentalism” is barely even a word in 2018.

    Well, you know, if ‘Perfidious Albion’ eventually ends up leaving the EU, Brussels could revive Napoleon’s Continental System.

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  28. How about they try some point of sale marketing, like table tents at those sidewalk cafes? Something continental, yet so simple even the dogs could almost understand it.

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  29. BB753 says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to liInve and work
     
    This is pretty astounding when you think about it. The educated Anglosphere has always been suckers for anything "Continental."

    In retrospect, it was tragically low-hanging fruit. Encourage it with job-training and language instruction, give out citizenship, and they could have revived their society instead of replacing themselves with dim Africans and Arabs.

    I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization.

    On the contrary, both World Wars secured the victory for classical and modern liberalism, respectively.

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  30. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    EU = a bunch of unelected fat cats running Europe straight to the ground because they have neither courage nor vision, same as all other liberal politicians.

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  31. Arclight says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work....
     
    As someone who was around in that industry in 2000s or so when Europe was in a tech deficiency(and still is, to some extent), Europe never really was able to get Americans in IT due to the pay differentials and tax structure. Structural differences in government meant that European companies always paid less, and if you were a young guy willing to move, you would most likely relocate to someone that paid well, and Europe could only compete with benefits that meant little to the young.

    So while the tech deficiency lasted, Continental Europe basically existed ideally as a place for plunder. You went there to install software or hardware for companies that were generally behind and lacked their own skilled workers, and made a killing, then you left and made sure that your money wouldn't be taxed by their governments. Being a consultant was great work, but being an employee was not.

    Plenty of other challenges: red tape, harder startup formation, unions and seniority, and so on. This has shifted in my opinion now to sheninigans played within Europe by other Europeans, and American involved has reduced as Europe has developed its own technological workers.

    I understand the issues as it relates to retarding entrepreneurial activity, but it still seems to me that just like some younger (and older) people are willing to live in Idaho or Montana for the access to the outdoors and can go without the pay that they could get somewhere else, there would be lots of younger Americans who would be perfectly happy to live in Europe at relatively low wages in exchange for the lifestyle. After all, there are tons of younger people in NYC, LA, SF, DC who are willing to scrape by just to be part of the scene.

    And even with Europe’s insane immigration politics, surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East. Hundreds of years from now, it seems like historians will look at the immigration fiascos of Germany and Sweden as the suicide of traditional Europe, more so than the World Wars.

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    Those are probably not the ones who can afford to move in the first place; for them, moving into the heartlands is a much more reasonable idea. I have a good friend(white, for what it is worth), who basically followed along that: he moved deep into a red state so he could have a house at $600 a month, and got a remote job that paid him reasonably well. Then he realized that if his job was remote, why not move anywhere at all?

    So he's in the Phillipines now.

    Its hard to overestimate the value of money for a lot of young people. Even those people seeking to be "part of the scene" are likely chasing the vague thought that they can "strike it rich", as part of the entire gambling aspect.
    , @Regret

    surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East.
     
    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don't believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren't lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don't buy that, but lets just suppose), but people have long since bought in for real.
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  32. Sean says:

    The EU was created by old fashioned capitalists and liberals to solve the problem that Germany was needed for economic recovery and Nato, but could not be allowed true independence again. Now Germany is dominating the European area by the very means that were supposed to keep them from doing just that. Far from fearing German power, greedy French hypercapitalists are awash in toxic debt because of loans to the Italians, and need Germany for mutulisation. Macron is their last hope. Starting with the architect of Italy going into the EU ( Giulio Andreotti) Italians never intended to fulfill their financial obligations. Now they are showing unmistakable signs of saying it openly , thus causing the collapse of the banks ofFrance

    John Gray says the Western economy is now based on hypercapitalism and the values of an “alt.liberalism” are in the ideological driving seat. Alt.liberalism considers any restriction on immigration to be inherently racist. Thus Germany successfully invades France, and the Frence elite are not only in on the whole thing, they are depending on it. Britain has realized yet again it cannot win agaist the Germans on the continent and must withdraw to survive

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    It is proverbial among knowledgable Germans that "the Americans own everything".

    Under Hitler, Germany tried to reenact the Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent with Poland and USSR as her "frontier". USA and Britain prevented this. Now Germany, chastened, tries once again to imitate America but this time by aping American masters in the arts of financial imperialism. Quick learners, those Germans.
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  33. @Arclight
    I understand the issues as it relates to retarding entrepreneurial activity, but it still seems to me that just like some younger (and older) people are willing to live in Idaho or Montana for the access to the outdoors and can go without the pay that they could get somewhere else, there would be lots of younger Americans who would be perfectly happy to live in Europe at relatively low wages in exchange for the lifestyle. After all, there are tons of younger people in NYC, LA, SF, DC who are willing to scrape by just to be part of the scene.

    And even with Europe's insane immigration politics, surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East. Hundreds of years from now, it seems like historians will look at the immigration fiascos of Germany and Sweden as the suicide of traditional Europe, more so than the World Wars.

    Those are probably not the ones who can afford to move in the first place; for them, moving into the heartlands is a much more reasonable idea. I have a good friend(white, for what it is worth), who basically followed along that: he moved deep into a red state so he could have a house at $600 a month, and got a remote job that paid him reasonably well. Then he realized that if his job was remote, why not move anywhere at all?

    So he’s in the Phillipines now.

    Its hard to overestimate the value of money for a lot of young people. Even those people seeking to be “part of the scene” are likely chasing the vague thought that they can “strike it rich”, as part of the entire gambling aspect.

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  34. Tiny Duck says:

    Imigration and diversity are the only thing will save Euripe. “Traditoinal” euripe is long gone and will never come back

    GET OVER IT

    No one wants to see a living tomb

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  35. vinteuil says:

    not entirely O/T – Steve (if I may) – as something of an opera lover on a budget, you’ve gotta see Bucharest. The National Opera here is simply fantastic, and the tickets are so cheap that the savings will more or less pay for your airfare.

    Over and out.

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    I second that. Have not been recently, but saw some of its members perform in another context recently and they were very good.
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  36. songbird says:

    Suggestions from only 43 countries?

    How many countries in MENA and sub-Sahara? Someone should have at least sent in some joke suggestions from MENA and sub-Sahaara.

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  37. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    I think they should try that Canadian thing where they reverse the words. You know, like “Health Canada.” So for instance, “Union Europe,” but then add some more pizazz with by plusing the lass word, “Union Europa.” More sophisticated. This should get everyone excited again. They could have street festivals to celebrate the change, with beer and rape and everything.

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    Sounds like a gay bar with excellent brunch buffets on weekends.
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  38. a new anthem

    Yes, that’s the problem.

    People hate the EU because Beethoven’s Ode to Joy isn’t good enough.

    German fashion designer had an idea for a unisex jacket

    Mandatory unisex fashion is sure to endear the EU to disgruntled working class nationalists. Forget about Britain leaving, Russia will want to join. Fedor Emelianenko probably can’t wait to get his hands on a chic new EU unisex jacket.

    Eurolab

    Wasn’t that the Eurasian equivalent of Oceania’s Ministry of Truth in 1984?

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  39. Regret says:
    @Wilkey
    The EU's leaders could start by loving Europe, and Europeans, the way it wants Europeans to love the EU. It could start by treating its citizens like citizens, not subjects. It could start be recognizing that the job of a democratic leader is to listen to the will of the people, not tell the people that its will is wrong. It could start by not using the navies of EU countries to assist an invasion of Europe instead of defending against it. The EU leaders have absolutely no intention of ever doing any of those things, so this campaign is going nowhere fast.

    It's rather odd (and revealing) that EU leaders are entirely willing to overturn precedent and law when it comes to assisting in the invasion of Europe by outsiders but cling furiously to tradition and law when the people of Europe want that shit to stop.

    Not so odd, I think. The rule of law is one value among many. When values conflict, you adhere to the one you hold in higher regard. When you have two values that are in accord, but you know your enemies do not share the higher one, you cudgel them with the lesser, and never mind that it isn’t the one you really care about.

    Its hypocritical but not new. Certainly not unique to the EU.

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    The dialectic of the inviolable autonomy of a fungible individual in a nutshell; or: how we got here.
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  40. Regret says:
    @Arclight
    I understand the issues as it relates to retarding entrepreneurial activity, but it still seems to me that just like some younger (and older) people are willing to live in Idaho or Montana for the access to the outdoors and can go without the pay that they could get somewhere else, there would be lots of younger Americans who would be perfectly happy to live in Europe at relatively low wages in exchange for the lifestyle. After all, there are tons of younger people in NYC, LA, SF, DC who are willing to scrape by just to be part of the scene.

    And even with Europe's insane immigration politics, surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East. Hundreds of years from now, it seems like historians will look at the immigration fiascos of Germany and Sweden as the suicide of traditional Europe, more so than the World Wars.

    surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East.

    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don’t believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don’t buy that, but lets just suppose), but people have long since bought in for real.

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    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don’t buy that, but lets just suppose)
     
    Why don't you but that?
    , @ben tillman

    They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism.
     
    No, they don't. If they did, they would throw their money in the middle of the street on payday since they and all their neighbors are interchangeable.

    What you could say, perhaps, is that they've been trained to ignore -- in limited circumstances -- the fact that people aren't interchangeable, which is something very different.
    , @ben tillman

    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don’t believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society.
     
    There's no conceivable alternative.

    They must be lies to subvert society.
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  41. Bugg says:

    Perhaps they could invite free thinkers like Theo Van Gogh and Pim Fortyn…oh, right, too bad.

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  42. How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?

    Stopping being a faceless bureaucracy is always a good start.

    Holds … breath …

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  43. I love how all the artists propose more artwork from themselves. The musician wants a new anthem (probably he’s willing to compose it), the fashion designer wants to make unisex jackets and the dance troop thinks they can save europe by getting the faceless bureaucracy to pay them to dance around.

    Great stuff. Europe is in good hands.

    On the other hand they’re not completely wrong. Europe can indeed get people to like Europe by paying them off individually. Just bribe everyone!

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    ... trials have started already in Scandinavia —— they call it the universal minimum wage ...
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    the bureaucrats and the hacks sure have a cozy relationship, don't they? The former articulates the creed and administers the slush fund, the latter give them an endlessly self-aggrandizing way to spend it and therefore demand higher budgets
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  44. It’s the same old song and dance with these apparatchiks–when criticism against their machinations begins to take hold, try everything to alter their subjects’ perceptions–but do absolutely nothing to address the criticisms by altering the thing perceived.

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  45. Is this PSY-OPs by our enemies to convince us that they’re just a bunch of flaky fairies? …To render us unafraid – and lure us out into the open? Or are they just a bunch of flaky fairies?

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  47. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Maciano
    I'm Dutch. You think the Benelux wants to be one country with Germany and France?

    Like all Europeans I believe we should leave the past as the past, bygones and all.

    But we shouldn’t also be blind to the past. You know Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler etc. didn’t just fail to unite Europe because they were nasty guys. They failed, at least in part, because Europe is ununifiable. This is what the EU is learning now, too.

    We’re just too different in nature, too determined in character, and too established to dissolve in a new unit.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be ruled by Franco-Germany. They would bleed us dry, and I can do without their muslims, too.

    Fair enough!

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  48. Not Raul says:

    How to save the EU: virtual reality goggles.

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  49. The ACHTUNG! Germans on the Rise! video was a brilliant rebranding of German identity. This basically applies to all of the EU.

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  50. Achilles says:

    I propose a sculpture, something of a cross between The Burghers of Calais and Rape of the Sabine Women.

    It would be a group of European men gathered round, standing and watching a Muslim ‘refugee’ rape a European woman.

    Call it Les Cucks de Europa and display it in front of the Europa building in Brussels.

    Also, put it on the €20 note in place of the gothic church window on there now.

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  51. fitzGetty says:
    @eD
    The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the "talented and educated", so they import peasants.

    … but, fatally, they don’t teach the colonisers about duties and responsibilities —— just rights and entitlements …

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  52. fitzGetty says:
    @Lars Porsena
    I love how all the artists propose more artwork from themselves. The musician wants a new anthem (probably he's willing to compose it), the fashion designer wants to make unisex jackets and the dance troop thinks they can save europe by getting the faceless bureaucracy to pay them to dance around.

    Great stuff. Europe is in good hands.

    On the other hand they're not completely wrong. Europe can indeed get people to like Europe by paying them off individually. Just bribe everyone!

    … trials have started already in Scandinavia —— they call it the universal minimum wage …

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  53. fitzGetty says:

    … the savage hordes were last beaten back at the Gates of Vienna in 1683 …

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    Don’t forget the Turks occupied the Balkans till about 1870. And what a mess they left.
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  54. Hugh says:

    Rebrand Europe? Oh yes!

    For a start it needs a new name, more in tune with the times. We need a really original name, sort of like Wakanda – too bad that’s taken. How about Eukanda? That should do the trick.

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  55. songbird says:

    A dance troupe with members from Albania, France and Italy proposed filming folk dances at European historical sites that could then be broadcast or viewed with virtual reality goggles.

    A few years ago, I saw a French film with a bunch of Moroccans ululating at a Moroccan wedding in France. I propose a satirical entry with the same theme.

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  56. Stogumber says:

    The interesting point is in my eyes the downfall of the “expressive, individual” artist. Artists have for a long time tried to make money in the advertising/promotion/marketing branch, but were rather quiet and ashamed about it.

    Then there came Hans Peter Riegel, a man who began as an artist (pupil of Immendorff), then made a lot of money by advertising/promotion/ marketing (as an “Art Director”) and then wrote two influential biographies denouncing Immendorff and Beuys (2013). Seemed a singular case then.

    But since then, in Germany advertising/promotion/marketing has got more politicized – Art Directors got thumbs up for political virtue signalling (like Gerald Hensel, who at last went too far). Which now allows artists to rebrand themselves as those people who are particularly gifted for successful political marketing.

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  57. Anon[582] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Here's a "lively" idea.

    They should remake all the national flags but invert the colors by using their chromatic opposite, i.e. orange for blue, green for red, yellow for violet etc. This would show their contempt for today's populist nationalism and their desire to "trans" everything. (Also inadvertently, by retaining the patterns, how their opposition is a type of dependency upon that to which they are opposed and not actual freedom at all--but that's a little too subtle for most.)

    When you mix all the colors you get brown. That would be appropriate.

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  58. anon[917] • Disclaimer says:

    Off Topic

    Who makes more steel, Canada or Mexico?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production

    Million metric tons

    China 831.7
    US 81.6
    Mexico 20
    Canada 13.7

    Who is the bad guy? China, obviously. But surprise, Mexico produces 1/4 that of America.

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    https://www.marketplace.org/2018/03/02/world/steelworkers-want-crackdown-cheaters-global-steel-industry

    China has the global overcapacity. The US is the largest global importer. China has to be dumping steel on the world and the US buys it for less than they can make it for,
    , @Anon
    Mexico has a smaller population. I never knew Mexico produced steel. I’ll look it up.
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  59. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Perspicacious! Even if it took a while.

    I'd still be against the EU for reasons of accountable government and a democracy needing a coherent demos, but sadly I'd be making arcane points from the fringe.

    Nonetheless, I assume that my point all but precludes them remedying the former. Not that it would were they less dogmatic and a lot smarter, but they're not, so their project will die.

    Maybe it can be reborn as Germany, France and BeNeLux? That would probably work.

    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Please give detail on the conversation.

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    I'm unsure of exactly what you mean.
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  60. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    If you don’t believe they’re the greatest, just ask their PR agents.

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  61. @Altai
    This is what always amuses me lately when neo-cons and other establishment types bemoan how the anti-refugee rhetoric of say the Polish government will tear the EU apart.

    They'll never mention how the massive and completely uncontrollable influx from the new members into the UK was the key ingredient for Brexit. There were the old guard like Farage who would reject the notion just out of nostalgia for an Imperial Britain or a sense of superiority but the key cohorts who switched to reject EU membership were the ones displaced and had their quality of life and wages reduced by mass EU migration that could never be stopped while a member of the EU and which promised to be quite an unending flow, even intensifying immigration from other EU countries who had stopped supplying so many immigrants once the economy had been transformed to suit immigrants. (This is often underappreciated in other EU countries because they got very little intra-EU immigration and it is often high skilled and from neighbouring or other Western European countries.)

    That's how Poland destroyed the EU, not by putting a slight spanner in the works of redistributing the spivs Merkel let in but by doing what they wanted it to do.

    Other problems caused by the new members was the tension and problems from their use by neo-cons as Washington proxies to thwart normal relations with Putin's Russia. This also prevented a cohesive EU foreign policy which suited the neo-cons quite well also.

    I honestly hope we get a break-up and the formation of smaller regional entities that fit together better.

    “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?”

    How about you start by getting your accounts signed off, you FrancoBelge-German chisellers?

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-13-36_en.htm

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

    All the hoo-ha about Brexit being some brainless lumpenprole slide into Error and CrimeThink is so wide of the mark it’s generally ridiculed, Over Here.

    All those “northern” constituencies (including, ironically, even larger numbers of Souf FC proles, e.g. the Medway towns and Kent) getting onside with Our Nigel is precisely, as you detail, the inevitable result of yet another slap round the chops from whoever the lineal descendants of Maggie’s “Chicago Boys” are these days.

    “Free Movement” is simply cheap labour, and something not far removed from indentured servitude, as requested by those lobbies who control the Westminster crew (any colour of tie). We don’t hate the Former Communist Bloc mugs who get shangaied as tenantry and field-hands by the landowners.

    But this is an island, and grossly overpopulated as it is. The only window of opportunity existed between the realisation of the Welfare State dream and its inevitable implosion, as the people who paid for it all are shunted off into the shadows in favour of new serfs from the former Empire and the defeated USSR’s satellites. Cillit Bang! and the money’s gone.
    I have a steady sinking feeling in my gut that that old British speciality, ruthless Civil War, is very much on the menu sooner or later.

    I guess the instigators are too young to remember that Brit anti-EU attitudes are basically old Wedgie Benn’s conclusions, maintained into the modren era/ Which is why they lost. And will continue to lose, no matter how many retakes of the referendum they contrive. People can only take so much bending over, without reaction.

    Check these “Alt-Right comedians” and their silly, nationalistic Little Britain rants. Well not really. This is pretty much what the invisible, unheard, voiceless native Brits actually think. And aren’t going to resile from anytime soon.

    The Rt Hon Anthony Wedgewood-Benn – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

    Dennis from Clay Cross – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINAvMtZ2BM
    Ricky from the Shrewsbury 24, upboating Dennis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weER1Jp3CU
    Jezza piles in – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkJK6nANek

    Gorgeous George fi Dundee salutes Nigel – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cF93B58Vw
    and puts euro-minion Kinnock the Younger straight – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHZBmBuphk

    Rees-Mogg minor agrees – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

    And Dennis explains why Jezza will soon be PM. Bye-bye Mummy Theresa. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bJLBLt64M (good mouth-froth there, Beast of Bolsover)

    That dumpster-load of .. stuff .. is just the tip of the pooberg.
    We’ve just had enough. Jezza, Nigel, dodgy Galloway, The Mogg, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. We’re OUT. Get used to it, Barnier.

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    I forgot, St Enoch of Stechford, mea maxima culpa - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alld4Og2sTE
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OWslOroaw

    Looks like we're pretty much agreed then lads? OUT it is.
    , @Anon
    Thanks I’ll email it to my British relatives. They are pro EU, being brainwashed uni grads.
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  62. @DFH

    It might seem obvious for the European Union to contend against nationalism within Europe by emphasizing “continentalism” across Europe by positioning the EU as the defender of Europe and its indigenous Europeans from the on-going invasions by non-Europeans.
     
    Wouldn't the word(s) for that be 'white nationalism'?

    It would be Big Media’s word for it, for sure.

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  63. TheBoom says:
    @Wilkey
    The EU's leaders could start by loving Europe, and Europeans, the way it wants Europeans to love the EU. It could start by treating its citizens like citizens, not subjects. It could start be recognizing that the job of a democratic leader is to listen to the will of the people, not tell the people that its will is wrong. It could start by not using the navies of EU countries to assist an invasion of Europe instead of defending against it. The EU leaders have absolutely no intention of ever doing any of those things, so this campaign is going nowhere fast.

    It's rather odd (and revealing) that EU leaders are entirely willing to overturn precedent and law when it comes to assisting in the invasion of Europe by outsiders but cling furiously to tradition and law when the people of Europe want that shit to stop.

    “The EU’s leaders could start by loving Europe,”

    What fun is there in that? One of the perks of the elite is hating the rabble while positioning yourself as a kind and caring overlord.

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  64. @Expletive Deleted

    “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?”
     
    How about you start by getting your accounts signed off, you FrancoBelge-German chisellers?
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-13-36_en.htm
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

    All the hoo-ha about Brexit being some brainless lumpenprole slide into Error and CrimeThink is so wide of the mark it's generally ridiculed, Over Here.

    All those "northern" constituencies (including, ironically, even larger numbers of Souf FC proles, e.g. the Medway towns and Kent) getting onside with Our Nigel is precisely, as you detail, the inevitable result of yet another slap round the chops from whoever the lineal descendants of Maggie's "Chicago Boys" are these days.

    "Free Movement" is simply cheap labour, and something not far removed from indentured servitude, as requested by those lobbies who control the Westminster crew (any colour of tie). We don't hate the Former Communist Bloc mugs who get shangaied as tenantry and field-hands by the landowners.

    But this is an island, and grossly overpopulated as it is. The only window of opportunity existed between the realisation of the Welfare State dream and its inevitable implosion, as the people who paid for it all are shunted off into the shadows in favour of new serfs from the former Empire and the defeated USSR's satellites. Cillit Bang! and the money's gone.
    I have a steady sinking feeling in my gut that that old British speciality, ruthless Civil War, is very much on the menu sooner or later.

    I guess the instigators are too young to remember that Brit anti-EU attitudes are basically old Wedgie Benn's conclusions, maintained into the modren era/ Which is why they lost. And will continue to lose, no matter how many retakes of the referendum they contrive. People can only take so much bending over, without reaction.

    Check these "Alt-Right comedians" and their silly, nationalistic Little Britain rants. Well not really. This is pretty much what the invisible, unheard, voiceless native Brits actually think. And aren't going to resile from anytime soon.

    The Rt Hon Anthony Wedgewood-Benn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzfgUv3ZKk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

    Dennis from Clay Cross - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINAvMtZ2BM
    Ricky from the Shrewsbury 24, upboating Dennis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weER1Jp3CU
    Jezza piles in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkJK6nANek

    Gorgeous George fi Dundee salutes Nigel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cF93B58Vw
    and puts euro-minion Kinnock the Younger straight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHZBmBuphk

    Rees-Mogg minor agrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

    And Dennis explains why Jezza will soon be PM. Bye-bye Mummy Theresa. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bJLBLt64M (good mouth-froth there, Beast of Bolsover)

    That dumpster-load of .. stuff .. is just the tip of the pooberg.
    We've just had enough. Jezza, Nigel, dodgy Galloway, The Mogg, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. We're OUT. Get used to it, Barnier.

    I forgot, St Enoch of Stechford, mea maxima culpa –

    -

    Looks like we’re pretty much agreed then lads? OUT it is.

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  65. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Maciano
    I'm Dutch. You think the Benelux wants to be one country with Germany and France?

    Like all Europeans I believe we should leave the past as the past, bygones and all.

    But we shouldn’t also be blind to the past. You know Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler etc. didn’t just fail to unite Europe because they were nasty guys. They failed, at least in part, because Europe is ununifiable. This is what the EU is learning now, too.

    We’re just too different in nature, too determined in character, and too established to dissolve in a new unit.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be ruled by Franco-Germany. They would bleed us dry, and I can do without their muslims, too.

    If you are Dutch, why do you have a Latin-sounding name?

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  66. @eD
    The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the "talented and educated", so they import peasants.

    Peasants would be a step up from what they are importing.

    Actually, several steps up. Peasants are self-supporting, industrious and robust.

    Instead, they import professional dependents and criminals.

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  67. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I’m not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization."

    Not an expert (but then I don't particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will.

    My take is something got broken in Europeans by that war. The American zeitgeist of this era kind of discounts WWI and sort of presumes WWII laid the foundation for all that followed.

    I don't.

    "Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
    Shovel them under and let me work--
    I am the grass; I cover all.

    And pile them high at Gettysburg
    And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
    Shovel them under and let me work.
    Two years, ten years, and the passengers ask the conductor:
    What place is this?
    Where are we now?

    I am the grass.
    Let me work. "

    At what point did something get broken in Americans? In Canadians? In Australians? In South Africans?

    All are arguably worse off now than Europeans. The “war”, as such, is a red herring.

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    "At what point did something get broken in Americans? In Canadians? In Australians? In South Africans?"

    For Americans I think the First Oil Shock in the early 70's did it. If you are prone to certain types of economic theory or politics you could also link it to Nixon making our fiat currency totally official.

    That was when the postwar consensus broke down I think. The 70's were kind of moribund economically but really Joe Sixpack never shared in any of the later booms - though he got to feel the busts like everyone else.

    Most Americans were better off circa 1970 in a lot of ways compared to now.
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  68. anon[917] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Off Topic

    Who makes more steel, Canada or Mexico?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production

    Million metric tons

    China 831.7
    US 81.6
    Mexico 20
    Canada 13.7

    Who is the bad guy? China, obviously. But surprise, Mexico produces 1/4 that of America.

    https://www.marketplace.org/2018/03/02/world/steelworkers-want-crackdown-cheaters-global-steel-industry

    China has the global overcapacity. The US is the largest global importer. China has to be dumping steel on the world and the US buys it for less than they can make it for,

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  69. ” Artists” world-wide consist 99% of leftist nut-cases.

    My departed uncle, a marvelous piano-man and vocalist who had performed with such legendary figures as Benny Goodman, told me as a budding young musician, that he never associated with other musicians as they were all : nuts.
    Myself, as a DT voter, I do not discuss politics with other jazz players as they are for the most part totally ignorant of facts and reality, and they worship BC/HRC/BO, which is beyond my mensa comprehension.

    AJM

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    I was just about to congratulate you
    For not trying to validate your statement
    With some sort of sigil or stamp of genius
    That you seem to think Mensa imparts to your words.
    Then I saw that it was indeed, still there!
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  70. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Regret

    surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East.
     
    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don't believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren't lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don't buy that, but lets just suppose), but people have long since bought in for real.

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don’t buy that, but lets just suppose)

    Why don’t you but that?

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    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.
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  71. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with the EU is the common problem with all of these post-WWII organisations (NATO, UN, etc), which is that the people running them no longer know WTF they’re doing or what they’re trying to accomplish.

    It’s a generational thing. These things are projects of the people who experienced the 1930s/depression/war, and with them gone from the scene everything’s falling apart.

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  72. @bartok

    A German fashion designer had an idea for a unisex jacket that would serve as a ticket for public transportation in all 28 member states.
     
    Mao jackets it is.

    Mao jackets it is

    Merkel jackets.

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  73. ‘Unisex jacket/bus pass’ sums up the EU nicely.

    They should probably make it edible, though.

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  74. @Maciano
    I'm Dutch. You think the Benelux wants to be one country with Germany and France?

    Like all Europeans I believe we should leave the past as the past, bygones and all.

    But we shouldn’t also be blind to the past. You know Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler etc. didn’t just fail to unite Europe because they were nasty guys. They failed, at least in part, because Europe is ununifiable. This is what the EU is learning now, too.

    We’re just too different in nature, too determined in character, and too established to dissolve in a new unit.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be ruled by Franco-Germany. They would bleed us dry, and I can do without their muslims, too.

    It is true that in the crucial phase (late 20th C.) when the EU was just sinking its teeth into the Europeans, the ultimate must-only-be-uttered-in-uttermost-extremity reason for the EU was that “the warfare of the past must never be repeated.”

    But this reasoning was always half-baked. Since at least Napoleon and arguably since the Thirty Years War, European warfare of the past was attempts to unify Europe by someone or other. So the half-assed idea, which was never critically examined, was apparently that if we preemptively unify Europe then there won’t be anything to fight over. So now they got their unification, … by throwing overboard everything else: democracy, the nations, culture, freedom, independence and now even the people themselves. In other words, they’ve sacrificed everything that you normally only lose after a terrible war, in order to avoid a terrible war.

    This is about as clever as allowing someone to take my car, so that no one can steal my car.

    It never ceases to amaze me how when big shots do things so obviously stupid that a little guy would be ridiculed unto death for the small-time version, for the big-time version, not only is he never punished, but no one even articulates how blindingly dumb he is.

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    It seems ridiculous now, but in the 1950s there was a great fear across Europe that Germany would (circa 1965 going on past form) rise again from the ashes and launch WWIII. This was the genesis of the EU.

    The Russians could simply occupy Germany in perpetuity to protect themselves from this danger, but the French, Italians, Belgians, etc. didn't have this option, and so took a different tack: if they couldn't subjugate the Germans, they would make Germany so economically dependent on themselves that the Germans would be incapable of ever attacking them again.

    To the Brits, the EU was primarily an economic enterprise. To the Europeans, it was a political enterprise, with the economic aspects just a means to a political end.

    , @ben tillman
    Excellent comment!
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  75. @Anon
    I like the EU flag. Maybe they could flap that around.

    Steve I’m hoping you’ll write something about Kim Kardashian’s going to the White House to discuss prison reform and early release. Well she’s married to a black man and early release and lenient sentencing is a major issue for blacks.

    All the moralists can have a good old time carrying on about her lack of basic decency. Maybe someone can post some if her many nude pictures. It’ll be fun

    Hardcore leniency, to the point of subsidizing the antisocial, seems to be the new hot trend. I saw that the Seattle library has jumped on the bandwagon by a new program to clear the fines and penalties of underprivileged youth, because the clearly articulated consequences of their actions are a systemic oppression.

    What a time to be alive for those with a dark sense of humor.

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    That’s just virtue signaling by the librarians. Under privileged youth don’t go to libraries and take out books.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Substitute Savior Syndrome.
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  76. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    Europe has relatively high unemployment rates, high cost of living, rigid labor market and business regulations, etc. Populist ire is directed not just at low skilled immigrants from the Mideast and Africa, but also at workers who take jobs such as the Polish in Britain.

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  77. @Regret
    Not so odd, I think. The rule of law is one value among many. When values conflict, you adhere to the one you hold in higher regard. When you have two values that are in accord, but you know your enemies do not share the higher one, you cudgel them with the lesser, and never mind that it isn't the one you really care about.

    Its hypocritical but not new. Certainly not unique to the EU.

    The dialectic of the inviolable autonomy of a fungible individual in a nutshell; or: how we got here.

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  78. hyperbola says:

    More click-bait from NY city. A jewish “journalist” from the NY Times defines who are “Europe’s greatest thinkers” and what they want and the article is then used by Sailer (and many others here) to denigrate Europe. Koolhaus is an architect – hardly a great thinker. Tillmans is a photographer who babbles on about the post-truth-era in typical chosen-people-globalist fashion.

    Wolfgang Tillmans: my two-year investigation into the post-truth era

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/feb/28/wolfgang-tillmans-what-is-different-backfire-effect

    Europe is half-way to a modern democracy. It is presently a CONFEDERATION of independent states, each of which retains national sovereignity. To attain a 21st century democracy, what Europe needs to do is copy the Swiss: devolve almost everything to the individual countries, sharply reduce the executive powers of the anti-democratic European Commision and increase the power of citizens to revise and modify laws that corrupt politicians may produce (Swiss style direct democracy).

    This is the future of democracy. The sect that runs the NY Times still believes their “chosen people” should run the world. That will lead to breakup of many other centralized organizations, including possibly even the USA.

    Independence Sentiment Rising in California

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/31/independence-sentiment-rising-in-california/

    ….. California’s independence movement has existed legally since 2014 and has as its main exponent in an organization called Yes California. It is not a political party and has no elected officials, but it is already nicknamed Calexit (after Brexit in Britain) and has over 25% of the working population in support…..

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  79. @Lars Porsena
    I love how all the artists propose more artwork from themselves. The musician wants a new anthem (probably he's willing to compose it), the fashion designer wants to make unisex jackets and the dance troop thinks they can save europe by getting the faceless bureaucracy to pay them to dance around.

    Great stuff. Europe is in good hands.

    On the other hand they're not completely wrong. Europe can indeed get people to like Europe by paying them off individually. Just bribe everyone!

    the bureaucrats and the hacks sure have a cozy relationship, don’t they? The former articulates the creed and administers the slush fund, the latter give them an endlessly self-aggrandizing way to spend it and therefore demand higher budgets

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  80. @Sean
    The EU was created by old fashioned capitalists and liberals to solve the problem that Germany was needed for economic recovery and Nato, but could not be allowed true independence again. Now Germany is dominating the European area by the very means that were supposed to keep them from doing just that. Far from fearing German power, greedy French hypercapitalists are awash in toxic debt because of loans to the Italians, and need Germany for mutulisation. Macron is their last hope. Starting with the architect of Italy going into the EU ( Giulio Andreotti) Italians never intended to fulfill their financial obligations. Now they are showing unmistakable signs of saying it openly , thus causing the collapse of the banks ofFrance

    John Gray says the Western economy is now based on hypercapitalism and the values of an "alt.liberalism" are in the ideological driving seat. Alt.liberalism considers any restriction on immigration to be inherently racist. Thus Germany successfully invades France, and the Frence elite are not only in on the whole thing, they are depending on it. Britain has realized yet again it cannot win agaist the Germans on the continent and must withdraw to survive

    It is proverbial among knowledgable Germans that “the Americans own everything”.

    Under Hitler, Germany tried to reenact the Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent with Poland and USSR as her “frontier”. USA and Britain prevented this. Now Germany, chastened, tries once again to imitate America but this time by aping American masters in the arts of financial imperialism. Quick learners, those Germans.

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    A few decades ago Japan announced it was going to develop a fighter to rival the then cutting edge F16, the US offered them massive sweeteners to cancel.

    The Chinese "2025" key industry development program that China is massively subsidizing is based on the German 4.o plan. So world champion destabilizer of the West's international order, Germany, has a far east ally again. To make China able to act as a counterweight to the Soviet Union, successive US governments since Nixon have allowed the build up of China's economy and industry at the West's expense economy Now China buys capital goods from Germany for equipping their massive economies-of-scale factories. China has a 200 billion trade imbalance with the US and instead of buying the advanced technology products of America it is spending money on replacing the US as no 1 in technology. China thinks it can buy a few billion in agricultural products from Trump's swing states and the US will be happy. Not a chance, China has got too strong; the free ride is over.

    , @Louis Renault

    Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent
     
    Native Americans spent generations trying to genocide their neighbors. The Pokanokets would have suffered that fate at the hands of the Narragansett's had they not convinced William Bradford and the pilgrims at Plymouth to help the out. But then the European's we're using stone age implements.

    "USA and Britain prevented this. "
     
    Yeah, the USSR didn't do anything about ending that now did they?

    Quick learners, those Germans
     
    Which Germany did Angela Merkel do her learning in?
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  81. Regret says:
    @Anon

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don’t buy that, but lets just suppose)
     
    Why don't you but that?

    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

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    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)
     
    If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

    Conspirators don't have to keep a secret. The mass media will do that for them.
    , @Nerium
    Too many people need to be keeping secrets? not so many, actually only a few, the ones at the top need to know the real reason, if at all. You see, that is exactly how military special and covert operations are done. The CIA, for instance, is a civilian organisation allowed to carry out and oversee military covert operations by US law.

    Well trained and/or cunning and determined enough individuals can easily intimidate or make comply such people through ideological manipulation, veiled or direct threats, bribes or blackmail and other incentives The rest are OK simply knowing carefully thought out alternative reasons that make sense, such as, for example, "we have to help those poor refugees" for the more thick, emotional ones or the more clever "we need them to pay our pensions" reasons that are in fact sheer psychological manipulation.

    Regimented corps such as in Freemasonry?

    Conspiracy that large? large as operation Gladio? large as operation Mockingbird?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    Not saying it is the case, but I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.

    , @Anonym
    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

    There are leaks. It doesn't help the case you try to make.

    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Barbara-Lerner-Spectre-Europe-Multiculturalism-Migrant-Crisis.jpg

    Because (((youtube))) won't allow sharing the video.
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  82. “They put out a call in March for rebranding proposals, asking: “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?” They requested ideas “for communicating the advantages of cooperation and friendship amongst people and nations.”

    In other words, how can we more skillfully lie about Leftist tyranny and insanity so that we can continue our self-destructive degenerate life+styles? A nonWhite Hello Kitty with an assault rifle?

    Whenever I hear that “artists are speaking out” I picture a subGenius army taking them OUT!

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  83. Sean says:
    @ThreeCranes
    It is proverbial among knowledgable Germans that "the Americans own everything".

    Under Hitler, Germany tried to reenact the Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent with Poland and USSR as her "frontier". USA and Britain prevented this. Now Germany, chastened, tries once again to imitate America but this time by aping American masters in the arts of financial imperialism. Quick learners, those Germans.

    A few decades ago Japan announced it was going to develop a fighter to rival the then cutting edge F16, the US offered them massive sweeteners to cancel.

    The Chinese “2025″ key industry development program that China is massively subsidizing is based on the German 4.o plan. So world champion destabilizer of the West’s international order, Germany, has a far east ally again. To make China able to act as a counterweight to the Soviet Union, successive US governments since Nixon have allowed the build up of China’s economy and industry at the West’s expense economy Now China buys capital goods from Germany for equipping their massive economies-of-scale factories. China has a 200 billion trade imbalance with the US and instead of buying the advanced technology products of America it is spending money on replacing the US as no 1 in technology. China thinks it can buy a few billion in agricultural products from Trump’s swing states and the US will be happy. Not a chance, China has got too strong; the free ride is over.

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    Isn't going to stop Germany from helping them, so...I'm not sure what is going to be accomplished there.
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  84. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    It is true that in the crucial phase (late 20th C.) when the EU was just sinking its teeth into the Europeans, the ultimate must-only-be-uttered-in-uttermost-extremity reason for the EU was that "the warfare of the past must never be repeated."

    But this reasoning was always half-baked. Since at least Napoleon and arguably since the Thirty Years War, European warfare of the past was attempts to unify Europe by someone or other. So the half-assed idea, which was never critically examined, was apparently that if we preemptively unify Europe then there won't be anything to fight over. So now they got their unification, ... by throwing overboard everything else: democracy, the nations, culture, freedom, independence and now even the people themselves. In other words, they've sacrificed everything that you normally only lose after a terrible war, in order to avoid a terrible war.

    This is about as clever as allowing someone to take my car, so that no one can steal my car.

    It never ceases to amaze me how when big shots do things so obviously stupid that a little guy would be ridiculed unto death for the small-time version, for the big-time version, not only is he never punished, but no one even articulates how blindingly dumb he is.

    It seems ridiculous now, but in the 1950s there was a great fear across Europe that Germany would (circa 1965 going on past form) rise again from the ashes and launch WWIII. This was the genesis of the EU.

    The Russians could simply occupy Germany in perpetuity to protect themselves from this danger, but the French, Italians, Belgians, etc. didn’t have this option, and so took a different tack: if they couldn’t subjugate the Germans, they would make Germany so economically dependent on themselves that the Germans would be incapable of ever attacking them again.

    To the Brits, the EU was primarily an economic enterprise. To the Europeans, it was a political enterprise, with the economic aspects just a means to a political end.

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  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2
    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.

    Perspicacious! Even if it took a while.

    I'd still be against the EU for reasons of accountable government and a democracy needing a coherent demos, but sadly I'd be making arcane points from the fringe.

    Nonetheless, I assume that my point all but precludes them remedying the former. Not that it would were they less dogmatic and a lot smarter, but they're not, so their project will die.

    Maybe it can be reborn as Germany, France and BeNeLux? That would probably work.

    GFBNL would completely escape the still-unanswered problems of dishonestly letting in countries like Greece (which clearly do not belong economically) and of pretending that members are equals. In fact, had that been what they went with years ago, almost all of the their worst problems would not be bothering them.

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  86. Soros’, Tillmans’ and Kohlhaas’ most prominent intellectual US-enemy, Steve Bannon, tours Europe this spring to propagate the fortunes of the nation state. His audiences in eastern Europe are not first rank though, as the German weekly Die Zeit reports.

    OTH – consider this:

    “I should not say this”, said the strong EU-proponent Jürgen Habermas a few days ago in an interview in the Spanish daily El Pais – but the nation state does have it’s merits.

    And he added a remark, which sounded at least as strange, especially if you conider, that this remark too, came out of the mouth of a strong EU supporter: That even high EU-representatives or MPs often times seem unable, to explain just how the EU works!

    (… — — … — — … ). (“Empty, empty,/ Empty, try another”// Joni Mitchell, Smoking (empty, try another) on Dog Eats Dog).

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  87. Logan says:
    @Anon
    Maybe they can talk about the last time Europeans united; the crusades and the naval battles against the Turks.

    That’s when the Europeans united against the Muslim invaders. Now the European leadership is united against Europeans and bringing in Muslim invaders.

    Has the EU ever thought that bringing foreign invaders is not the way to endear the institution to the proles and peons.

    Not really what happened. For most of this time France and many Protestant princes were de facto if not actually allied with the Turk.

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    The Franco-Ottoman alliance was exceptional and considered scandalous and not very consequential outside the 16th century (in the 17th century France openly assisted Ottoman enemies a number of times).

    One could consider Karl XII a brief Ottoman ally, but that was a rather desperate situation. There were some half-hearted exchanges between the Dutch and Ottomans when the Dutch were fighting for survival.

    Protestant troops from the Electorate of Saxony fought at the Battle of Vienna.
    , @Anon
    That’s true. Lepanto was won by Spain and Venice The Holy League, a name that still makes Protestants shudder during the century of supreme hatred of Spain by the English. Forgot about that

    May 29 was the anniversary of the conquest of Constantinople by the Turks. Somewhere in my files I’ve got a poem “ The last Mass at Santa Sophia”

    The Algerians didn’t stop the alave raiding until 1830 when France conquered and colonized it.

    Slave trafficking of young girls by Muslims has been going on since at least 1990.
    , @byrresheim
    History is always more complex than what you can put in one sentence, but that's, sadly, the essence.
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  88. Nearly a decade into the Eurozone crisis and three years into Merkel’s Million Man March, these fools still don’t get it.

    The Euro is a more complicated issue than the rapefugees, but there are three ways to solve the problem:

    A) “Internal devaluation” in the feckless countries. Worked in Ireland, not really working anywhere else.

    B) Permanent fiscal transfers from the strong countries to the weak ones. In addition to being unacceptable to German voters, it’s likely the French would reject receiving such transfers as an insult to French honor.

    C) Breakup the Eurozone. The club Med crowd could revive the Latin Monetary Union, or their original national currencies. A complication of option C is what to do with the existing-Euro denominated debt of these countries. Option C has also proven itself unpopular in France, where voters remain irrationally committed to the Euro.

    The rapefugee issue is truly simple. Simply abide by the Dublin Convention, stop bullying the Visegrad 4, and deport the fraudulent asylum seekers (which is nearly all of them).

    If you want to do something more, lavishly fund Frontex and have it actually perform its mission.

    Europe needs to solve these issues before moving onto anything grander, but if it ever does then a good project would be China-style continent wide high-speed rail. Less grand, but economically more useful, would be continental integration of Europe’s various incompatible freight rail systems.

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  89. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stogumber
    The interesting point is in my eyes the downfall of the "expressive, individual" artist. Artists have for a long time tried to make money in the advertising/promotion/marketing branch, but were rather quiet and ashamed about it.

    Then there came Hans Peter Riegel, a man who began as an artist (pupil of Immendorff), then made a lot of money by advertising/promotion/ marketing (as an "Art Director") and then wrote two influential biographies denouncing Immendorff and Beuys (2013). Seemed a singular case then.

    But since then, in Germany advertising/promotion/marketing has got more politicized - Art Directors got thumbs up for political virtue signalling (like Gerald Hensel, who at last went too far). Which now allows artists to rebrand themselves as those people who are particularly gifted for successful political marketing.

    Was Riegel Jewish?

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  90. Sunbeam says:
    @Anonymous
    At what point did something get broken in Americans? In Canadians? In Australians? In South Africans?

    All are arguably worse off now than Europeans. The "war", as such, is a red herring.

    “At what point did something get broken in Americans? In Canadians? In Australians? In South Africans?”

    For Americans I think the First Oil Shock in the early 70′s did it. If you are prone to certain types of economic theory or politics you could also link it to Nixon making our fiat currency totally official.

    That was when the postwar consensus broke down I think. The 70′s were kind of moribund economically but really Joe Sixpack never shared in any of the later booms – though he got to feel the busts like everyone else.

    Most Americans were better off circa 1970 in a lot of ways compared to now.

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  91. @Sean
    A few decades ago Japan announced it was going to develop a fighter to rival the then cutting edge F16, the US offered them massive sweeteners to cancel.

    The Chinese "2025" key industry development program that China is massively subsidizing is based on the German 4.o plan. So world champion destabilizer of the West's international order, Germany, has a far east ally again. To make China able to act as a counterweight to the Soviet Union, successive US governments since Nixon have allowed the build up of China's economy and industry at the West's expense economy Now China buys capital goods from Germany for equipping their massive economies-of-scale factories. China has a 200 billion trade imbalance with the US and instead of buying the advanced technology products of America it is spending money on replacing the US as no 1 in technology. China thinks it can buy a few billion in agricultural products from Trump's swing states and the US will be happy. Not a chance, China has got too strong; the free ride is over.

    Isn’t going to stop Germany from helping them, so…I’m not sure what is going to be accomplished there.

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  92. @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    There is a Commonwealth visa scheme that allows C citizens to work, permit free, for one year, two if they work in agriculture. It’s not well publicised but Australians in particular often stay in the UK after participating.

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  93. @peterike
    Koolhas is one of those ghastly "intellectuals" that only Europe can produce. A guy who goes from one terrible idea to another, one awful building to the next, and turns it all into a lucrative, lauded career. It's pretty amazing. Tillmans is a gay degenerate. Such are the cultural leaders of Europe today.

    “…the Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas…”

    Am I wrong to think he’s at least attempted to re-brand himself? A name that, when pronounced, sounds like “Cool House” reeks of suspicious coincidence when it belongs to an architect.

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  94. @Logan
    Not really what happened. For most of this time France and many Protestant princes were de facto if not actually allied with the Turk.

    The Franco-Ottoman alliance was exceptional and considered scandalous and not very consequential outside the 16th century (in the 17th century France openly assisted Ottoman enemies a number of times).

    One could consider Karl XII a brief Ottoman ally, but that was a rather desperate situation. There were some half-hearted exchanges between the Dutch and Ottomans when the Dutch were fighting for survival.

    Protestant troops from the Electorate of Saxony fought at the Battle of Vienna.

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  95. Europe had a continental identity based on:

    - Caucasuan race – biological body
    - Constitutional ruler – ideological mind
    - Christian religion – theological soul

    But Germany blew it in 1914-45.

    Dont know if we can put humpty dupty back together again.

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    It was the British who blew it. They declared war and attacked Germany in both 1914 and 1939.
    , @hyperbola
    Actually the sect that Cromwell let back into Britain had banrupted the country prior to WWI and needed Brits as killable slaves in their war.

    Oil and the origins of the
    ‘War to make the world safe for Democracy’
    http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/History/Oil_and_the_Origins_of_World_W/oil_and_the_origins_of_world_w.HTM

    At first almost unnoticed after 1850, then with significant intensity after the onset of the Great Depression of 1873 in Britain, the sun began to set on the British Empire. By the end of the 19th Century, though the City of London remained undisputed financier of the world, British industrial excellence was in terminal decline. The decline paralleled an equally dramatic rise of a new industrial Great Power on the European stage, the German Reich. Germany soon passed England in output of steel, in quality of machine tools, chemicals and electrical goods. Beginning the 1880’s a group of leading German industrialists and bankers around Deutsche Bank’s Georg von Siemens, recognized the urgent need for some form of colonial sources of raw materials as well as industrial export outlet. With Africa and Asia long since claimed by the other Great Powers, above all Great Britain, German policy set out to develop a special economic sphere in the imperial provinces of the debt-ridden Ottoman Empire. The policy was termed “penetration pacifique” an economic dependency which would be sealed with German military advisors and equipment. Initially, the policy was not greeted with joy in Paris, St. Petersburg or London, but it was tolerated. Deutsche Bank even sought, unsuccessfully, to enlist City of London financial backing for the keystone of the Ottoman expansion policy—the Berlin-to-Baghdad railway project, a project of enormous scale and complexity that would link the interior of Anatolia and Mesopotamia (today Iraq) to Germany. What Berlin and Deutsche Bank did not say was that they had secured subsurface mineral rights, including for oil along the path of the railway, and that their geologists had discovered petroleum in Mosul, Kirkuk and Basra.....
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  96. Kylie says:
    @eD
    The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the "talented and educated", so they import peasants.

    “The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the ‘talented and educated’, so they import peasants.”

    You are too kind. The elites don’t want peasants. They want savages.

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    Savages that are controlled by a headman savage. It was perfected during the European colonial era in Africa, India Indonesia etc.
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  97. @ThreeCranes
    It is proverbial among knowledgable Germans that "the Americans own everything".

    Under Hitler, Germany tried to reenact the Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent with Poland and USSR as her "frontier". USA and Britain prevented this. Now Germany, chastened, tries once again to imitate America but this time by aping American masters in the arts of financial imperialism. Quick learners, those Germans.

    Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent

    Native Americans spent generations trying to genocide their neighbors. The Pokanokets would have suffered that fate at the hands of the Narragansett’s had they not convinced William Bradford and the pilgrims at Plymouth to help the out. But then the European’s we’re using stone age implements.

    “USA and Britain prevented this. “

    Yeah, the USSR didn’t do anything about ending that now did they?

    Quick learners, those Germans

    Which Germany did Angela Merkel do her learning in?

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    We already had this discussion about the relative contributions of USSR vs. USA et al a few weeks ago. Yes, the USSR bore the brunt of the attack and "blunted the spear" of the mighty Wehrmacht. Okay, okay....

    But without England and France's having declared war on Germany and without massive aid shipments from the USA, the USSR fighting alone would have been beaten by Germany, just as they had been 20 some-odd years previously. Germany lost because she was too small a nation to fight a war on two fronts.
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  98. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    Hardcore leniency, to the point of subsidizing the antisocial, seems to be the new hot trend. I saw that the Seattle library has jumped on the bandwagon by a new program to clear the fines and penalties of underprivileged youth, because the clearly articulated consequences of their actions are a systemic oppression.

    What a time to be alive for those with a dark sense of humor.

    That’s just virtue signaling by the librarians. Under privileged youth don’t go to libraries and take out books.

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  99. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Logan
    Not really what happened. For most of this time France and many Protestant princes were de facto if not actually allied with the Turk.

    That’s true. Lepanto was won by Spain and Venice The Holy League, a name that still makes Protestants shudder during the century of supreme hatred of Spain by the English. Forgot about that

    May 29 was the anniversary of the conquest of Constantinople by the Turks. Somewhere in my files I’ve got a poem “ The last Mass at Santa Sophia”

    The Algerians didn’t stop the alave raiding until 1830 when France conquered and colonized it.

    Slave trafficking of young girls by Muslims has been going on since at least 1990.

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  100. donut says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I’m not knowledgeable enough to debate the point, but I remember reading somebody who said Europe has been in an existential funk since the 19th century, culminating in two world wars that destroyed classical liberal civilization."

    Not an expert (but then I don't particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will.

    My take is something got broken in Europeans by that war. The American zeitgeist of this era kind of discounts WWI and sort of presumes WWII laid the foundation for all that followed.

    I don't.

    "Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
    Shovel them under and let me work--
    I am the grass; I cover all.

    And pile them high at Gettysburg
    And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
    Shovel them under and let me work.
    Two years, ten years, and the passengers ask the conductor:
    What place is this?
    Where are we now?

    I am the grass.
    Let me work. "

    “Not an expert (but then I don’t particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will.”

    What seminal event , what unnecessary conflict did the USA involve itself in that led us to where we are today ?

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  101. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    Northern and all European countries have no need to import skilled workers. There are hundred of universities that turn out stem tech business and medical people every year who have problems getting jobs.

    A major reason why UK uni grads voted remain is that they can’t jobs in the UK so they have to go to the continent. Germany and to a lesser extent France and Spain are full of British men in the stem jobs and women teaching English because there are no jobs at home.

    It’s the real estate, education and social services sectors that need masses of low skill life long welfare immigrants.

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  102. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @fitzGetty
    ... the savage hordes were last beaten back at the Gates of Vienna in 1683 ...

    Don’t forget the Turks occupied the Balkans till about 1870. And what a mess they left.

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  103. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Off Topic

    Who makes more steel, Canada or Mexico?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production

    Million metric tons

    China 831.7
    US 81.6
    Mexico 20
    Canada 13.7

    Who is the bad guy? China, obviously. But surprise, Mexico produces 1/4 that of America.

    Mexico has a smaller population. I never knew Mexico produced steel. I’ll look it up.

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  104. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    “How can the European Union be valued by its citizens and be recognized as a force for good, rather than as a faceless bureaucracy?”
     
    How about you start by getting your accounts signed off, you FrancoBelge-German chisellers?
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-13-36_en.htm
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

    All the hoo-ha about Brexit being some brainless lumpenprole slide into Error and CrimeThink is so wide of the mark it's generally ridiculed, Over Here.

    All those "northern" constituencies (including, ironically, even larger numbers of Souf FC proles, e.g. the Medway towns and Kent) getting onside with Our Nigel is precisely, as you detail, the inevitable result of yet another slap round the chops from whoever the lineal descendants of Maggie's "Chicago Boys" are these days.

    "Free Movement" is simply cheap labour, and something not far removed from indentured servitude, as requested by those lobbies who control the Westminster crew (any colour of tie). We don't hate the Former Communist Bloc mugs who get shangaied as tenantry and field-hands by the landowners.

    But this is an island, and grossly overpopulated as it is. The only window of opportunity existed between the realisation of the Welfare State dream and its inevitable implosion, as the people who paid for it all are shunted off into the shadows in favour of new serfs from the former Empire and the defeated USSR's satellites. Cillit Bang! and the money's gone.
    I have a steady sinking feeling in my gut that that old British speciality, ruthless Civil War, is very much on the menu sooner or later.

    I guess the instigators are too young to remember that Brit anti-EU attitudes are basically old Wedgie Benn's conclusions, maintained into the modren era/ Which is why they lost. And will continue to lose, no matter how many retakes of the referendum they contrive. People can only take so much bending over, without reaction.

    Check these "Alt-Right comedians" and their silly, nationalistic Little Britain rants. Well not really. This is pretty much what the invisible, unheard, voiceless native Brits actually think. And aren't going to resile from anytime soon.

    The Rt Hon Anthony Wedgewood-Benn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzfgUv3ZKk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

    Dennis from Clay Cross - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINAvMtZ2BM
    Ricky from the Shrewsbury 24, upboating Dennis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weER1Jp3CU
    Jezza piles in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkJK6nANek

    Gorgeous George fi Dundee salutes Nigel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cF93B58Vw
    and puts euro-minion Kinnock the Younger straight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHZBmBuphk

    Rees-Mogg minor agrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

    And Dennis explains why Jezza will soon be PM. Bye-bye Mummy Theresa. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bJLBLt64M (good mouth-froth there, Beast of Bolsover)

    That dumpster-load of .. stuff .. is just the tip of the pooberg.
    We've just had enough. Jezza, Nigel, dodgy Galloway, The Mogg, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. We're OUT. Get used to it, Barnier.

    Thanks I’ll email it to my British relatives. They are pro EU, being brainwashed uni grads.

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  105. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    "The elites, in both Europe and America, want peasants, not the 'talented and educated', so they import peasants."

    You are too kind. The elites don't want peasants. They want savages.

    Savages that are controlled by a headman savage. It was perfected during the European colonial era in Africa, India Indonesia etc.

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  106. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Hardcore leniency, to the point of subsidizing the antisocial, seems to be the new hot trend. I saw that the Seattle library has jumped on the bandwagon by a new program to clear the fines and penalties of underprivileged youth, because the clearly articulated consequences of their actions are a systemic oppression.

    What a time to be alive for those with a dark sense of humor.

    Substitute Savior Syndrome.

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  107. Bill Jones says: • Website
    @Jack Strocchi
    Europe had a continental identity based on:

    - Caucasuan race - biological body
    - Constitutional ruler - ideological mind
    - Christian religion - theological soul

    But Germany blew it in 1914-45.

    Dont know if we can put humpty dupty back together again.

    It was the British who blew it. They declared war and attacked Germany in both 1914 and 1939.

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  108. Can’t stand Vicky Nuland but totally agree with her stance on the EU.

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  109. @Arclight
    Good luck with that. People enjoy going to Europe to see the monuments to its past great successes and experience authentic (and living) European culture. Now that the largest cities are basically Dearborn, Michigan, fewer people are going to want to visit the tomb of Western civilization.

    It's also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work - after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to 'diversify' themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    It’s also somewhat baffling to me how little effort northern European countries have made to attract talented and educated Americans, Canadians, and Australians to come there to live and work – after all, most of them have very high quality of living for the most part, great culture, food, etc. Instead they have tried to ‘diversify’ themselves with huge numbers of low-skill/low-iq immigrants who want the trappings of the first world but want to destroy its culture.

    If a government is importing non-whites, the purpose is to make the country less white. Why would you imagine that the talent and education of white people would be relevant to the decisionmaking of such a government?

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  110. @Regret
    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

    Conspirators don’t have to keep a secret. The mass media will do that for them.

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  111. @Regret

    surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East.
     
    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don't believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren't lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don't buy that, but lets just suppose), but people have long since bought in for real.

    They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism.

    No, they don’t. If they did, they would throw their money in the middle of the street on payday since they and all their neighbors are interchangeable.

    What you could say, perhaps, is that they’ve been trained to ignore — in limited circumstances — the fact that people aren’t interchangeable, which is something very different.

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  112. @Regret

    surely most people understand that immigrants from the Anglosphere will be far more likely to assimilate to their culture (or at least appreciate it) than people from SW Asia or the Middle East.
     
    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don't believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren't lies designed to subvert society. Perhaps they were, at some point(I don't buy that, but lets just suppose), but people have long since bought in for real.

    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don’t believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society.

    There’s no conceivable alternative.

    They must be lies to subvert society.

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    Possibly a range of belief from,

    'assimilation straightaway because multiculturalism is soo coool'

    to,

    'assimilation will take generations but once the new public culture has been constructed and regulated, the process will be irreversible [because dissent is illegal]'.


    Capitalism and Communism have come to a mutually beneficial arrangement. Communist countries capitalised their economies, and now the west is communising it's culture.

    Me parece.
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  113. @Louis Renault

    Euro genocidal conquest of the American continent
     
    Native Americans spent generations trying to genocide their neighbors. The Pokanokets would have suffered that fate at the hands of the Narragansett's had they not convinced William Bradford and the pilgrims at Plymouth to help the out. But then the European's we're using stone age implements.

    "USA and Britain prevented this. "
     
    Yeah, the USSR didn't do anything about ending that now did they?

    Quick learners, those Germans
     
    Which Germany did Angela Merkel do her learning in?

    We already had this discussion about the relative contributions of USSR vs. USA et al a few weeks ago. Yes, the USSR bore the brunt of the attack and “blunted the spear” of the mighty Wehrmacht. Okay, okay….

    But without England and France’s having declared war on Germany and without massive aid shipments from the USA, the USSR fighting alone would have been beaten by Germany, just as they had been 20 some-odd years previously. Germany lost because she was too small a nation to fight a war on two fronts.

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  114. @Wilkey
    The EU's leaders could start by loving Europe, and Europeans, the way it wants Europeans to love the EU. It could start by treating its citizens like citizens, not subjects. It could start be recognizing that the job of a democratic leader is to listen to the will of the people, not tell the people that its will is wrong. It could start by not using the navies of EU countries to assist an invasion of Europe instead of defending against it. The EU leaders have absolutely no intention of ever doing any of those things, so this campaign is going nowhere fast.

    It's rather odd (and revealing) that EU leaders are entirely willing to overturn precedent and law when it comes to assisting in the invasion of Europe by outsiders but cling furiously to tradition and law when the people of Europe want that shit to stop.

    Great comment!

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  115. @Almost Missouri
    It is true that in the crucial phase (late 20th C.) when the EU was just sinking its teeth into the Europeans, the ultimate must-only-be-uttered-in-uttermost-extremity reason for the EU was that "the warfare of the past must never be repeated."

    But this reasoning was always half-baked. Since at least Napoleon and arguably since the Thirty Years War, European warfare of the past was attempts to unify Europe by someone or other. So the half-assed idea, which was never critically examined, was apparently that if we preemptively unify Europe then there won't be anything to fight over. So now they got their unification, ... by throwing overboard everything else: democracy, the nations, culture, freedom, independence and now even the people themselves. In other words, they've sacrificed everything that you normally only lose after a terrible war, in order to avoid a terrible war.

    This is about as clever as allowing someone to take my car, so that no one can steal my car.

    It never ceases to amaze me how when big shots do things so obviously stupid that a little guy would be ridiculed unto death for the small-time version, for the big-time version, not only is he never punished, but no one even articulates how blindingly dumb he is.

    Excellent comment!

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  116. “Starting Thursday, about 30 of those who submitted the liveliest ideas will participate in Eurolab, a four-day event led by Mr. Tillmans, Mr. Koolhaas and the architectural historian Stephan Petermann during the Forum on European Culture in Amsterdam.”

    Stephan Petermann? *The* Mr. Petermann? Why yes, he’s the perfect marketing genius to tout Europe:

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  117. @Authenticjazzman
    " Artists" world-wide consist 99% of leftist nut-cases.

    My departed uncle, a marvelous piano-man and vocalist who had performed with such legendary figures as Benny Goodman, told me as a budding young musician, that he never associated with other musicians as they were all : nuts.
    Myself, as a DT voter, I do not discuss politics with other jazz players as they are for the most part totally ignorant of facts and reality, and they worship BC/HRC/BO, which is beyond my mensa comprehension.

    AJM

    I was just about to congratulate you
    For not trying to validate your statement
    With some sort of sigil or stamp of genius
    That you seem to think Mensa imparts to your words.
    Then I saw that it was indeed, still there!

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    " SUPER GENIUS"

    Damn you got me. This is simply marvelous, and perplexing that I did not come up with it first.

    Chapeau!.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  118. Lurker says:
    @DFH

    It might seem obvious for the European Union to contend against nationalism within Europe by emphasizing “continentalism” across Europe by positioning the EU as the defender of Europe and its indigenous Europeans from the on-going invasions by non-Europeans.
     
    Wouldn't the word(s) for that be 'white nationalism'?

    Wouldn’t the word(s) for that be ‘white nationalism’?

    Thats what I was going to say!

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  119. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut
    "Not an expert (but then I don’t particularly value the opinions of those that claim to be either), but in about a century I think WWI is going to be considered far more seminal and far reaching in effects than WWII will."

    What seminal event , what unnecessary conflict did the USA involve itself in that led us to where we are today ?

    WWII

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  120. eah says:

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    Sadiq Khan closed most of the Police Stations in London as a result of which we now have a murder epidemic
    , @Anonym
    The intent is that those few remaining indigenous British are to be driven out over the next few decades until you get "100% diversity".

    A pox on them all.
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  121. eah says:
    @Wilkey
    The EU's leaders could start by loving Europe, and Europeans, the way it wants Europeans to love the EU. It could start by treating its citizens like citizens, not subjects. It could start be recognizing that the job of a democratic leader is to listen to the will of the people, not tell the people that its will is wrong. It could start by not using the navies of EU countries to assist an invasion of Europe instead of defending against it. The EU leaders have absolutely no intention of ever doing any of those things, so this campaign is going nowhere fast.

    It's rather odd (and revealing) that EU leaders are entirely willing to overturn precedent and law when it comes to assisting in the invasion of Europe by outsiders but cling furiously to tradition and law when the people of Europe want that shit to stop.

    Rottweil: Luxuswohnungen für Herrenmenschen

    Ein geschichtlich einmaliger Vorgang: Unbekannte Personen ohne Ausweise wandern ein. Wie viele, das bestimmen die Einwanderer selbst. Sie bekommen für ihre bloße Anwesenheit Wohnungen und Geld, das den Steuerzahlern weggenommen wird. Die Einheimischen müssen in einer Art umgekehrtem Kolonialismus für die Eingewanderten arbeiten. Wenn sie Einwände haben, werden sie diffamiert.

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    This is better than real colonialism.

    When the natives got restless, they were massacred.
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  122. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Yep.

    The *ONLY* way the EU can survive is to emphasise and prioritize the rights of *ethnic* Europeans ONLY – in exactly the same way as the ChiCom is about CHINESE people only.

    In that way ethnic Europeans just might respect – or even love – the EU.

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  123. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    The day in which the combined naval and coast guard forces of EU states start putting tow ropes around the bows of invader craft, and start towing them back to their destination points, is the day when I might, just possibly, have some time for the EU.

    I’m not holding my breath.

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  124. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    Any organisation run and ruled by such utter utter worthless trash and garbage as Cecilia Malmstrom, Emma Bonino, Peter Mandelson, Federica Mogherini etc etc is doomed to failure and self destruction.

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  125. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    It is ultimately reducible to this:

    The EU, as currently constituted at least, cares *MORE* about the ‘rights’, (which in reality are non existent), of Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nigerian etc invaders into Europe than it cares about *REAL* Europeans.

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  126. Nerium says:
    @Regret
    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

    Too many people need to be keeping secrets? not so many, actually only a few, the ones at the top need to know the real reason, if at all. You see, that is exactly how military special and covert operations are done. The CIA, for instance, is a civilian organisation allowed to carry out and oversee military covert operations by US law.

    Well trained and/or cunning and determined enough individuals can easily intimidate or make comply such people through ideological manipulation, veiled or direct threats, bribes or blackmail and other incentives The rest are OK simply knowing carefully thought out alternative reasons that make sense, such as, for example, “we have to help those poor refugees” for the more thick, emotional ones or the more clever “we need them to pay our pensions” reasons that are in fact sheer psychological manipulation.

    Regimented corps such as in Freemasonry?

    Conspiracy that large? large as operation Gladio? large as operation Mockingbird?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    Not saying it is the case, but I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.

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    How was Project Ultra at Bletchley Park in 1939-1945 kept secret into the 1970s? It had a work force of around 10,000.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.
     
    And what about those who do leak something but aren't believed? Take Seth Rich, for example.

    At some point when debating with conspiracy denialists, you begin to realize that you're dealing not with ignorance, but rather with obtuseness.

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  127. helena says:
    @ben tillman

    If they do, its a bare majority. The pro-mass-immigration leftists really don’t believe that. They really do believe that the reason assimilation has been slow is because of abuse on the part of host countries. They really do believe people are fundamentally the same and interchangeable and that suggesting otherwise is horrifying racism. They really do think that, if they invite in a million muslims and keep other white people from being racist, the only thing that will change is the mix of restuants in their town and maybe the addition of a few new colorful holidays.

    These aren’t lies designed to subvert society.
     
    There's no conceivable alternative.

    They must be lies to subvert society.

    Possibly a range of belief from,

    ‘assimilation straightaway because multiculturalism is soo coool’

    to,

    ‘assimilation will take generations but once the new public culture has been constructed and regulated, the process will be irreversible [because dissent is illegal]‘.

    Capitalism and Communism have come to a mutually beneficial arrangement. Communist countries capitalised their economies, and now the west is communising it’s culture.

    Me parece.

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  128. @Nerium
    Too many people need to be keeping secrets? not so many, actually only a few, the ones at the top need to know the real reason, if at all. You see, that is exactly how military special and covert operations are done. The CIA, for instance, is a civilian organisation allowed to carry out and oversee military covert operations by US law.

    Well trained and/or cunning and determined enough individuals can easily intimidate or make comply such people through ideological manipulation, veiled or direct threats, bribes or blackmail and other incentives The rest are OK simply knowing carefully thought out alternative reasons that make sense, such as, for example, "we have to help those poor refugees" for the more thick, emotional ones or the more clever "we need them to pay our pensions" reasons that are in fact sheer psychological manipulation.

    Regimented corps such as in Freemasonry?

    Conspiracy that large? large as operation Gladio? large as operation Mockingbird?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    Not saying it is the case, but I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.

    How was Project Ultra at Bletchley Park in 1939-1945 kept secret into the 1970s? It had a work force of around 10,000.

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    In UK law, there is such a thing as the 'Official Secrets Act', - dating to 1912 or thereabouts, framed as a response to rising tension with Germany - which, doubtless everyone concerned with Bletchley Park had to sign - still done today with civil servants involved in handling 'sensitive material -. 'Signing the Official Secrets Act' opens up the signatory to state prosecution if the signatory is in breach. No doubt 'D' notices, or 'official gagging orders' were put on the press, authors, publishers etc.

    Perhaps the UK government only spilled the beans on Bletchley Park after a date when the equipment and theory were technologically obsolete.
    , @The Man From K Street
    The secret was officially kept until 1974, but word had been trickling out for about a decade before. Herman Wouk, in his 1971 novel "The Winds of War" (not the later miniseries) strongly hints that he knew what had happened and dangles the ULTRA secret to his readers without expressly breaching it. And he had been researching that novel for at least a dozen years.

    Incidentally, there is now a fair amount of ULTRA revisionist historiography since the first flush of "Bletchley Park Won the War" literature in the 1974-1990 period. Basically, the revisionists have been pointing out that a) ULTRA was an edge in pretty much only a single theater, the Atlantic (it was pretty much increasingly useless every day after D-Day as the retreating Germans shifted more of their signals to the wired network than the radio), and b) it wasn't really all that decisive in the Atlantic, where it has tended to unfairly hog a lot of the credit for victory over and above other, more unsung technological advances, like Huff-Duff. But in 2018, Bletchley Park has the advantage of retconned intersectionality, so don't hold your breath for the story balancing out.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I wonder about newly rich giants, let's say like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, or anyone who wasn't born into an oligarchy or social order. How does any global elite conspiracy bring all of those new guys into line?

    Sure, Gates and especially Buffet are beyond new now, but they were just Americans when they started. The United States especially has produced a lot of giants like that. Yet do we ever see any of them do anything that wold indicate that they are rebelling against some world cabal that they now are equal to or greater than?

    Okay, Henry Ford published that "Elders of Zion" thing, which most people say is crap.

    Surely at least one new, rich giant American would have come out and told us how he has seen the inside of "Bletchley Park" and refuses to be part of it.

    Or is Donald Trump the only person ever to attempt such a thing?

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  129. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    After a long conversation with an anti-Brexit and very progressive but also strikingly intelligent friend, she gave her real reason for the failure of the EU: its clear democratic deficit on immigration.
     
    Please give detail on the conversation.

    I’m unsure of exactly what you mean.

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  130. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How was Project Ultra at Bletchley Park in 1939-1945 kept secret into the 1970s? It had a work force of around 10,000.

    In UK law, there is such a thing as the ‘Official Secrets Act’, – dating to 1912 or thereabouts, framed as a response to rising tension with Germany – which, doubtless everyone concerned with Bletchley Park had to sign – still done today with civil servants involved in handling ‘sensitive material -. ‘Signing the Official Secrets Act’ opens up the signatory to state prosecution if the signatory is in breach. No doubt ‘D’ notices, or ‘official gagging orders’ were put on the press, authors, publishers etc.

    Perhaps the UK government only spilled the beans on Bletchley Park after a date when the equipment and theory were technologically obsolete.

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    Perhaps the UK government only spilled the beans on Bletchley Park after a date when the equipment and theory were technologically obsolete.
     
    The Enigma machines were in use by several Latin American nations through the 1960s, hence the desire to keep the fact that they'd long since been cracked quiet.
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  131. @Nerium
    Too many people need to be keeping secrets? not so many, actually only a few, the ones at the top need to know the real reason, if at all. You see, that is exactly how military special and covert operations are done. The CIA, for instance, is a civilian organisation allowed to carry out and oversee military covert operations by US law.

    Well trained and/or cunning and determined enough individuals can easily intimidate or make comply such people through ideological manipulation, veiled or direct threats, bribes or blackmail and other incentives The rest are OK simply knowing carefully thought out alternative reasons that make sense, such as, for example, "we have to help those poor refugees" for the more thick, emotional ones or the more clever "we need them to pay our pensions" reasons that are in fact sheer psychological manipulation.

    Regimented corps such as in Freemasonry?

    Conspiracy that large? large as operation Gladio? large as operation Mockingbird?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    Not saying it is the case, but I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.

    I am always amused to find seemingly intelligent people automatically dismissing alternative hypotheses using the trite argument that large social engineering and other covert operations cannot exist and be carried out because too many people involved would inevitably leak something.

    And what about those who do leak something but aren’t believed? Take Seth Rich, for example.

    At some point when debating with conspiracy denialists, you begin to realize that you’re dealing not with ignorance, but rather with obtuseness.

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  132. @Wile-E -Coyote, SUPER GENIUS
    I was just about to congratulate you
    For not trying to validate your statement
    With some sort of sigil or stamp of genius
    That you seem to think Mensa imparts to your words.
    Then I saw that it was indeed, still there!

    ” SUPER GENIUS”

    Damn you got me. This is simply marvelous, and perplexing that I did not come up with it first.

    Chapeau!.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  133. @Steve Sailer
    How was Project Ultra at Bletchley Park in 1939-1945 kept secret into the 1970s? It had a work force of around 10,000.

    The secret was officially kept until 1974, but word had been trickling out for about a decade before. Herman Wouk, in his 1971 novel “The Winds of War” (not the later miniseries) strongly hints that he knew what had happened and dangles the ULTRA secret to his readers without expressly breaching it. And he had been researching that novel for at least a dozen years.

    Incidentally, there is now a fair amount of ULTRA revisionist historiography since the first flush of “Bletchley Park Won the War” literature in the 1974-1990 period. Basically, the revisionists have been pointing out that a) ULTRA was an edge in pretty much only a single theater, the Atlantic (it was pretty much increasingly useless every day after D-Day as the retreating Germans shifted more of their signals to the wired network than the radio), and b) it wasn’t really all that decisive in the Atlantic, where it has tended to unfairly hog a lot of the credit for victory over and above other, more unsung technological advances, like Huff-Duff. But in 2018, Bletchley Park has the advantage of retconned intersectionality, so don’t hold your breath for the story balancing out.

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  134. jim jones says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1001915554826018817

    Sadiq Khan closed most of the Police Stations in London as a result of which we now have a murder epidemic

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    According to the 'Color of Crime':

    If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

    So I don't think the problem in London at the moment is a lack of police stations -- the local donut shops might be suffering though.

    https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/1002555061157933056
    , @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DenRCBPXkAEaYFC.jpg
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  135. @Steve Sailer
    How was Project Ultra at Bletchley Park in 1939-1945 kept secret into the 1970s? It had a work force of around 10,000.

    I wonder about newly rich giants, let’s say like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, or anyone who wasn’t born into an oligarchy or social order. How does any global elite conspiracy bring all of those new guys into line?

    Sure, Gates and especially Buffet are beyond new now, but they were just Americans when they started. The United States especially has produced a lot of giants like that. Yet do we ever see any of them do anything that wold indicate that they are rebelling against some world cabal that they now are equal to or greater than?

    Okay, Henry Ford published that “Elders of Zion” thing, which most people say is crap.

    Surely at least one new, rich giant American would have come out and told us how he has seen the inside of “Bletchley Park” and refuses to be part of it.

    Or is Donald Trump the only person ever to attempt such a thing?

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  136. hyperbola says:
    @Jack Strocchi
    Europe had a continental identity based on:

    - Caucasuan race - biological body
    - Constitutional ruler - ideological mind
    - Christian religion - theological soul

    But Germany blew it in 1914-45.

    Dont know if we can put humpty dupty back together again.

    Actually the sect that Cromwell let back into Britain had banrupted the country prior to WWI and needed Brits as killable slaves in their war.

    Oil and the origins of the
    ‘War to make the world safe for Democracy’

    http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/History/Oil_and_the_Origins_of_World_W/oil_and_the_origins_of_world_w.HTM

    At first almost unnoticed after 1850, then with significant intensity after the onset of the Great Depression of 1873 in Britain, the sun began to set on the British Empire. By the end of the 19th Century, though the City of London remained undisputed financier of the world, British industrial excellence was in terminal decline. The decline paralleled an equally dramatic rise of a new industrial Great Power on the European stage, the German Reich. Germany soon passed England in output of steel, in quality of machine tools, chemicals and electrical goods. Beginning the 1880’s a group of leading German industrialists and bankers around Deutsche Bank’s Georg von Siemens, recognized the urgent need for some form of colonial sources of raw materials as well as industrial export outlet. With Africa and Asia long since claimed by the other Great Powers, above all Great Britain, German policy set out to develop a special economic sphere in the imperial provinces of the debt-ridden Ottoman Empire. The policy was termed “penetration pacifique” an economic dependency which would be sealed with German military advisors and equipment. Initially, the policy was not greeted with joy in Paris, St. Petersburg or London, but it was tolerated. Deutsche Bank even sought, unsuccessfully, to enlist City of London financial backing for the keystone of the Ottoman expansion policy—the Berlin-to-Baghdad railway project, a project of enormous scale and complexity that would link the interior of Anatolia and Mesopotamia (today Iraq) to Germany. What Berlin and Deutsche Bank did not say was that they had secured subsurface mineral rights, including for oil along the path of the railway, and that their geologists had discovered petroleum in Mosul, Kirkuk and Basra…..

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  137. @Anonymous
    In UK law, there is such a thing as the 'Official Secrets Act', - dating to 1912 or thereabouts, framed as a response to rising tension with Germany - which, doubtless everyone concerned with Bletchley Park had to sign - still done today with civil servants involved in handling 'sensitive material -. 'Signing the Official Secrets Act' opens up the signatory to state prosecution if the signatory is in breach. No doubt 'D' notices, or 'official gagging orders' were put on the press, authors, publishers etc.

    Perhaps the UK government only spilled the beans on Bletchley Park after a date when the equipment and theory were technologically obsolete.

    Perhaps the UK government only spilled the beans on Bletchley Park after a date when the equipment and theory were technologically obsolete.

    The Enigma machines were in use by several Latin American nations through the 1960s, hence the desire to keep the fact that they’d long since been cracked quiet.

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  138. eah says:
    @jim jones
    Sadiq Khan closed most of the Police Stations in London as a result of which we now have a murder epidemic

    According to the ‘Color of Crime’:

    If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

    So I don’t think the problem in London at the moment is a lack of police stations — the local donut shops might be suffering though.

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  139. eah says:
    @jim jones
    Sadiq Khan closed most of the Police Stations in London as a result of which we now have a murder epidemic

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    Ah!

    The joys of vibrancy!
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  140. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I'm unsure of exactly what you mean.

    How did the conversation evolve to lead to her finally giving her real reason?

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    It was the last thing said. Interestingly, I never brought immigration up, but she would know that I'm not a huge fan. I suppose it was a sort of plead after everything else had been annulled. A pretty smart plead, but a bit last ditch nonetheless.
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  141. Anonym says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1001915554826018817

    The intent is that those few remaining indigenous British are to be driven out over the next few decades until you get “100% diversity”.

    A pox on them all.

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  142. Anonym says:
    @Regret
    Too much complexity and too many people would need to be keeping too many secrets. Conspiracies that large pretty much only work in regimented hierarchies like the officer corps in a military(e.g. the incredibly bloated plot against Hitler.)

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

    The illuminati/jews/eu globalists/whoever arent that kind of group. There would be leaks.

    There are leaks. It doesn’t help the case you try to make.

    Because (((youtube))) won’t allow sharing the video.

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  143. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon
    How did the conversation evolve to lead to her finally giving her real reason?

    It was the last thing said. Interestingly, I never brought immigration up, but she would know that I’m not a huge fan. I suppose it was a sort of plead after everything else had been annulled. A pretty smart plead, but a bit last ditch nonetheless.

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    Thank you.
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  144. TheJester says:

    The European Union Is Under Threat. Artists Say It’s Time to Rebrand.

    “I agree. The EU should change nothing. It’s a marketing problem. They should quickly rebrand with cheap gimmicks for another round of the same old stuff.”

    However, I recall that as US automobile companies started suffering the inroads of higher quality Japanese cars, the former thought that the cure was simply more aggressive marketing. More money spent on marketing a naive customer base … or so they thought. The car companies continued to assemble and stuff low-quality cars onto lots unsold; they were called “car banks”. It didn’t work. The US automobile companies barely survived in spite of their increased investment in marketing.

    In the 1950s, there was a phrase for this kind of thinking. It was called, “Turning shit into Shinola” … glossing over problems with the hope that no one will notice.

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    It should be noted that at the time, US automakers had an especially truculent union workforce who thought they were bulletproof and also were running into significant regulatory costs from emissions and "safety" legislation for the first time. At the same time, Japanese carmakers had lower build costs and lower labor costs (though today the labor costs in Japan are probably higher than here), but worse, they deliberately accepted lower profit margins to establish all-important market share in the US. In some cases, as with radios, cameras and TVs in their early days of market establishment, the cars were sold below full shipped build cost.

    By the mid-1980s, Toyota was selling their cars at a significant premium and dealers were adding on additional fees because to stand off the perceived threat of tariffs-Reagan had tariffed big bore motorcycles-Japanese car makers had adopted voluntary quotas and they were importing a lot fewer cars than before. Toyota, Honda, and Subaru became premium brands commanding higher prices for domestics at a time when domestic quality was improving. Ford was making the decent Fox platform cars with the excellent EFI 302 and 351 V-8s and very good AOD transmission, and Chrysler made the boring but very reliable and long lived Aries/Reliant K car. Japanese cars had better fit and finish but in terms of overall longevity were no longer that much better.
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  145. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheJester

    The European Union Is Under Threat. Artists Say It’s Time to Rebrand.
     
    "I agree. The EU should change nothing. It's a marketing problem. They should quickly rebrand with cheap gimmicks for another round of the same old stuff."

    However, I recall that as US automobile companies started suffering the inroads of higher quality Japanese cars, the former thought that the cure was simply more aggressive marketing. More money spent on marketing a naive customer base ... or so they thought. The car companies continued to assemble and stuff low-quality cars onto lots unsold; they were called "car banks". It didn't work. The US automobile companies barely survived in spite of their increased investment in marketing.

    In the 1950s, there was a phrase for this kind of thinking. It was called, "Turning shit into Shinola" ... glossing over problems with the hope that no one will notice.

    It should be noted that at the time, US automakers had an especially truculent union workforce who thought they were bulletproof and also were running into significant regulatory costs from emissions and “safety” legislation for the first time. At the same time, Japanese carmakers had lower build costs and lower labor costs (though today the labor costs in Japan are probably higher than here), but worse, they deliberately accepted lower profit margins to establish all-important market share in the US. In some cases, as with radios, cameras and TVs in their early days of market establishment, the cars were sold below full shipped build cost.

    By the mid-1980s, Toyota was selling their cars at a significant premium and dealers were adding on additional fees because to stand off the perceived threat of tariffs-Reagan had tariffed big bore motorcycles-Japanese car makers had adopted voluntary quotas and they were importing a lot fewer cars than before. Toyota, Honda, and Subaru became premium brands commanding higher prices for domestics at a time when domestic quality was improving. Ford was making the decent Fox platform cars with the excellent EFI 302 and 351 V-8s and very good AOD transmission, and Chrysler made the boring but very reliable and long lived Aries/Reliant K car. Japanese cars had better fit and finish but in terms of overall longevity were no longer that much better.

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  146. If your stomach is turning at the prospect of this rebranding circus (mine was), please watch (or rewatch) the videos linked to below. I find them very soothing:

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    That is how Farage made his name and reputation - he earned it.

    The rest, of course, is history.
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  147. @Anon
    I think they should try that Canadian thing where they reverse the words. You know, like "Health Canada." So for instance, "Union Europe," but then add some more pizazz with by plusing the lass word, "Union Europa." More sophisticated. This should get everyone excited again. They could have street festivals to celebrate the change, with beer and rape and everything.

    Sounds like a gay bar with excellent brunch buffets on weekends.

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  148. @Logan
    Not really what happened. For most of this time France and many Protestant princes were de facto if not actually allied with the Turk.

    History is always more complex than what you can put in one sentence, but that’s, sadly, the essence.

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  149. @eah
    Rottweil: Luxuswohnungen für Herrenmenschen

    Ein geschichtlich einmaliger Vorgang: Unbekannte Personen ohne Ausweise wandern ein. Wie viele, das bestimmen die Einwanderer selbst. Sie bekommen für ihre bloße Anwesenheit Wohnungen und Geld, das den Steuerzahlern weggenommen wird. Die Einheimischen müssen in einer Art umgekehrtem Kolonialismus für die Eingewanderten arbeiten. Wenn sie Einwände haben, werden sie diffamiert.

    This is better than real colonialism.

    When the natives got restless, they were massacred.

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  150. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    It was the last thing said. Interestingly, I never brought immigration up, but she would know that I'm not a huge fan. I suppose it was a sort of plead after everything else had been annulled. A pretty smart plead, but a bit last ditch nonetheless.

    Thank you.

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  151. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DenRCBPXkAEaYFC.jpg

    Ah!

    The joys of vibrancy!

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  152. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    If your stomach is turning at the prospect of this rebranding circus (mine was), please watch (or rewatch) the videos linked to below. I find them very soothing:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zBGKoB6TjBM

    That is how Farage made his name and reputation – he earned it.

    The rest, of course, is history.

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  153. Romanian says: • Website
    @vinteuil
    not entirely O/T - Steve (if I may) - as something of an opera lover on a budget, you've gotta see Bucharest. The National Opera here is simply fantastic, and the tickets are so cheap that the savings will more or less pay for your airfare.

    Over and out.

    I second that. Have not been recently, but saw some of its members perform in another context recently and they were very good.

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    Now in Poland, but I'll definitely be back, sooner rather than later. The standard of performance at the National Opera in Bucharest is easily comparable to, say, the National Theatre in Prague or the Mikhailovsky in St Petersburg - and it's just absurdly inexpensive.
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  154. vinteuil says:
    @Romanian
    I second that. Have not been recently, but saw some of its members perform in another context recently and they were very good.

    Now in Poland, but I’ll definitely be back, sooner rather than later. The standard of performance at the National Opera in Bucharest is easily comparable to, say, the National Theatre in Prague or the Mikhailovsky in St Petersburg – and it’s just absurdly inexpensive.

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  155. Wonderful! Fantastico! EU is using public money, my taxes, to finance artists I don’t know and quite certainly don’t like so that they will show me how beautiful is Europe and collaboration. Problem is I already know Europe is beautiful, and collaboration also, but that’s so for reasons and causes which have nothing to do with the EU; instead, said EU does nothing to answer questions and complaints (among them: they are destroying European cultures and values) from very normal people, nicely referred to as “populists”, since everyone knows populists don’t deserve answers.
    As Macron suggested, EU politicians think they must save Democracy from those barbarous citizens who can’t vote the right way.

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