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  1. anonymous[939] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said: Jacob Rees Mogg’s sister got everything she wanted, and Gussie Fink-Nottle did better than he thought, and BK in the UK will never mess with politicians ever again

    • Agree: Kevin O'Keeffe
    • Replies: @Pampasgrass
  2. anonymous[939] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said: (Jacob Rees Moggs, like Nigel Farage, was hoping that the Brexit party would do so well that the Conservatives (the quondam Tories, for those with a classical education) who had dragged their feet on Brexit, showing disrespect for the British people, would be humiliated at the polls, and they were.)

    Gussie Fink Nottle was a big fan of newts – the apex of the Jeeves novels involves Gussie and his newts and their unnecessary abandonment by those by whom they should have been loved (as Lear said about Cordelia, that should never, never, never, never, never have happened) — and the Greens, as silly as they may seem with their adoration of rather average statisticians, are right about one thing, the world is precious, and we need to attend to the living creatures who are being crowded out by modernity and by the fashions of modernity.

    (the BK allusion was to some neckbeard gamma civilian subaltern of the phony liberal powers that be at the Burger King UK Twitter feed making a joke supporting cowardly people throwing milkshakes at politicians they disagreed with, as some degenerate neckbeard loser did to Farage last week, thinking that the culture of the UK today does not understand when someone is being a disgusting coward, and thinking that such an action would support their cause …. they were wrong )

  3. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    The “far-right extremist fringe” won a sizable plurality and humbled the two largest “mainstream” parties.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  4. anonymous[939] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said:

    in this small world: Corbyn lost, bigtime.
    Theresa May and her sycophants lost, big time, bigger than they expected.
    People who write for the Economist lost, big time (they would have been fired long ago if they were the sort of people who were grateful about tonight’s results).
    Bergoglio lost, but he did say in recent days, trying to hedge his bets (at worst) or saying what he really thought (one likes to think the best about people) that hiring an abortionist is like hiring a hitman (Bergoglio, for all his faults, is no fan of the Mafia), which is correct, but I don’t think the little man, the great friend of Emma Bognino, had his little liberal heart in it, as he would if he were the follower of Francis he claims to be. I hope I am wrong about that but as long as the evildoer Maradiaga continues to flourish I am , of course, almost certainly not wrong.
    The friends of Trump won.
    The friends of Kerry lost, big time.

    I could go on for hours, I am just describing a secular trend.

    in the real world we all live in: The real drama of life is in each of our hearts: do we want to follow Jesus, or not?
    Are we dazed by modernity and pleasure and praise, or do we understand that which is important:

    that is, that God loves us all, and this world is not a place where we can or ought to decide not to try our hardest to imitate God in his love for us all.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  5. 216 says:

    We can talk about the success of Farage’s Brexit party, but this is not a convincing victory

    Leave got 52% of the vote in 2016, the Brexit Party got about 32% in ’19. If they got a clear majority, this game would have been over.

    The europhile Lib Dems came in second, after previously being left to rot after the Clegg disaster.

    Will Farage’s party ever develop effective discipline? The groups elected in ’09 and ’14 were notoriously unstable.

    The existing Parliament is Remain-majority, a general election this year probably means a Tory collapse, and a Lib-Lab coalition government that calls a second referendum.

  6. OT – How in the hell can Ann Coulter, debatress dominatrix, reconcile her support for Steve “HBD” Stailer (he whose initials, most ironically, stand for socioeconomic status) with her Tweets trumpeting the collapse of Darwin’s theory of evolution?

    Does she think evolution stops below the neck?

    Never would I ever accuse her intellectual inconsistency or opportunism in reaction to the global populist moment.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  7. Classic slow-walk headline from the NY Times:

    “The Right Gains Ground in European Elections, But So Does Left.”

    • Replies: @Dave from Oz
  8. People on Twitter are noticing the MAGA hat and Putin memorabilia on Salvini’s bookshelf. Let them talk.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  9. Cadbury is furiously hoarding ingredients like a prepper to ensure the Brits get their precious, overrated Dairy Milk.

    Clearly this was all well-thought out by the Brits.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  10. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    The French majority tired of Emmanuel “President of the French Jews” Macron selling out the very idea of France, as well as its non-Jewish citizens, for the political interests of world Jewry.

    This is a guy who said that:

    being anti-Zionist is damnable because it is racist while

    being pro nationalist French is damnable because it means that they don’t care about others and

    that France was flat-out guilty of assisting in the Holocaust.

    Macron has turned out to be quite the poison pill for France.

  11. The Rassemblement National (formerly known as the Front National) edged out President Emmanuel Macron’s party (La Republique en Marche) as the biggest vote getter in France. The Greens (EELV) party placed third. This trend continues the rout of the tradional left of center Socialist Party and the right of center Les Republicains. Unfortunately, the French domestic electoral system doesn’t provide for proportional representation.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
  12. @Anonymous

    The oligarch-owned legacy media is already weeping over the losses by “the centrist parties who have governed Europe for decades.”

    It’s easy to recognize the “mainstream,” aka “centrist” parties because they are the ones advocating unobjectionable, sensible, rather dull and totally moderate policies such as flooding all of Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners who will live on the dole and commit mayhem for several generations, perhaps longer.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    , @Mr. Anon
  13. @Bragadocious

    In defense of Cadbury, it really was better before it got bought out by, what, Hershey’s? I remember loving Cadbury when I backpacked through Britain after high school. Wasn’t the same when I had it again years later.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  14. The wins are great fun, but if they turn out like the Trumpvolution in the US, they won’t mean much. Hopefully, the officials can deliver something that keeps people excited.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  15. @216

    Brexit parties (BRX and UKIP) won 35%.

    Remain parties (Lab, Con, Lib Dem, Green, SNP) won 65%.

    This was a complete loss for Brexit and a total repudiation of the Brexit agenda. A new referendum will be coming as will most likely a general election.

    On the mainland, the parties of EU cohesion and mass immigration from Africa and Moslem lands are winning large and impressive majorities everywhere.

    It will be business as usual in Europe and the ongoing extirpation of the native population—at their own insistence—will accelerate.

    • Troll: IHTG
  16. @Diversity Heretic

    Le Pen’s party is finishing with one third of the vote, the same as she won in the 2017 presidential. Pro-EU and pro-mass immigration parties together continue to win two thirds of the vote in France.

    National suicide wins two-to-one. Another harsh defeat for Le Pen and everything she stands for.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Diversity Heretic
  17. @Buck Ransom

    flooding all of Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners who will live on the dole and commit mayhem for several generations, perhaps longer.

    At least until the native peoples are extinct. After that, who cares what they do?

    Did the Battle Axe (Bell Beaker) people ask the Corded Ware people what they thought when they exterminated them? What the Africans and Moslems do with Europe is none of the natives’ business.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bruno
  18. 216 says:
    @(((Owen)))

    The Brexit was sold on the claim that EU funds would be redirected to increased NHS spending. That claim is hard to deliver on even if Theresa May had wanted to.

    A large number of people view the nationalist right as a bunch of violent maniacs who started the two world wars, and would eagerly start a third. Considering the record of the GOP, they may not be far off. That’s the biggest mental barrier to souveranists winning control of a Western European state. Skepticism of immigration generally polls much higher than nationalist parties.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  19. istevefan says:
    @216

    We can talk about the success of Farage’s Brexit party, but this is not a convincing victory

    You do realize Farage’s Brexit party is just 6 Weeks old? That seems pretty impressive. Of course we must also factor in the negative press they received, including members being targeted for milkshake attacks by global corporations. I’d say they did well.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @216
  20. @anonymous

    that hiring an abortionist is like hiring a hitman

    More like a bullfight.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  21. @istevefan

    You do realize Farage’s Brexit party is just 6 Weeks old? That seems pretty impressive. Of course we must also factor in the negative press they received

    You do realize that these two points connect, a because rather than a despite?

    As they say in the marketing game, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

  22. Irishman says:
    @216

    Exactly. The stupid Brexit fools wouldn’t take yes for an answer and voted down what they said they wanted thrice.Their reward will be Corbyn and no Brexit and their utter discrediting.

    Fools. Fools. Fools.

    Cue the oiks squawking that Remoaner May’s deal wasn’t real Brexit because… who cares.

    • Replies: @216
    , @AnotherDad
  23. 216 says:
    @istevefan

    N. Farage has been in politics since 1999, he has incredibly high name recognition. He was also running in a lower-turnout election that most Brits take less seriously than the Westminster election.

    The Brexit Party was polling in some outlets at 38%, which meant a result in the 40s was in the margin of error.

    In ’14 UKIP was polling at 30-32% and then declined to 27% at the election due to a flurry of press attacks at the last minute.

    Farage is also weakened by his refusal to work with the souveranists on the continent. The odds are that Brexit will be scuttled, so he should put his ego aside and start working with Le Pen, Salvini and Orban.

    • Replies: @DH
  24. @216

    Considering the record of the GOP, they may not be far off.

    The GOP was less enthused about our forays in Europe, once. Our nationalists are isolationists.

    Kind of like Swedes, which, come to think of it, is what the Lindberghs were.

  25. jim jones says:

    The BBC is saying that this is a great victory for the Greens:

    • Replies: @Fredrik
  26. Irishman says:

    What’s basically happening in Europe is the death of the big post war Conservative and Socialist parties. Conservatism is dying because the rich and business prefer to be represented by liberals like Macron and Rutte, while traditional social conservatives are alienated by the social liberalism of the wealthy and are voting for nationalists.
    The socialists are dying because you just can’t control a national section of a global economy. Mitterand gave it the left’s best shot and failed. Their vote is melting away as cultural Marxists and non European immigrants prefer green politics and the far left(whose success is a product of a combination of over-production of the elites and the importation of emergence of lots of people who are essentially economically useless because of technology) and the white working class votes nationalist.

    The big 2 won’t disappear. But European politics will probably end up looking ever more like the Netherlands, a complete mess. Ireland as always in Europe is completely different. This is because our big two stand for absolutely nothing whatsoever and are therefore infinitely malleable.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @216
  27. @216

    I’m an American (thank The Lord) so I cant comment from anywhere but a place of ignorance on this (or any) topic but a new party garnering the largest share by a large margin in any country’s EUP election —39% in this case— seems like a win — even more so when one considers large portions of news media labeled the party as extreme, its leader a stooge of hostile foreign governments, and low-level violence against its supporters not only acceptable, but heroic.

    • Replies: @216
  28. 216 says:
    @Irishman

    The Conservative Party promised in ’10, ’15 and ’17 to cut immigration to the tens of thousands per year.

    They have not done that.

    That’s a bigger promise than the GOP has ever offered.

    Any EU-28 country can rubber stamp as many passports as it likes, which grants freedom of movement to the entire EU. So any deal that preserves freedom of movement is still a surrender of sovereignty.

    • Replies: @Irishman
  29. 216 says:
    @Anthony Wayne

    Think back to the 2010 U.S. midterms.

    Was that a massive GOP victory?

    The GOP didn’t take control of the Senate due to botched candidates in DE, CO, NV and WV. The Tea Party knocked out a RINO incumbent in AK, but said incumbent won a write-in campaign.

    The GOP won only a single House seat in the West Coast states. They failed to win the Governorship in IL, MN and OR.

    The Giffords shooting destroyed the GOP momentum, and the most moderate candidate was nominated in the ’12 primaries.

    Farage didn’t come in first in Scotland.

    • Replies: @Anthony Wayne
  30. 216 says:
    @Irishman

    Overnight you went from Europe’s most conservative country, to its most liberal. Much akin to what occurred in Quebec during the 1960s.

  31. DH says:
    @Chris Handsome

    Micro evolution can be explained by Darwinian processes (random mutation + natural selection).
    Macroevolution and origin of life cannot.
    That is what Coulter means.

  32. Irishman says:
    @216

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. The May deal ends freedom of movement after the transition period and non EU immigration alone breaks the Tories promise. This has nothing to do with the Withdrawal agreement or the EU.

  33. DH says:
    @216

    Farage is also weakened by his refusal to work with the souveranists on the continent. The odds are that Brexit will be scuttled, so he should put his ego aside and start working with Le Pen, Salvini and Orban.

    Why does Farage do this? Does not seem logic.

    • Replies: @216
    , @notanon
    , @Gordo
  34. @Chris Handsome

    It;s good to see Darwinism falling out of favor with more and more of the cognoscenti, but not for the reasons explicated in the article. Embracing intelligent design is just rushing from one error into another.

    • Replies: @HA
  35. Lot says:
    @(((Owen)))

    Wish I could disagree.

    Looks like nationalists did quite well in Italy and England, but otherwise barely improved.

    While the anti-migration movement is steadily growing in Western Europe, at the current slow rate of progress Western Europe will be Islamified/Africanized before it votes out the national suicide parties.

    BoJo should give the Scots another independence vote. They keep voting for more third world migration… for England, knowing their land is too cold and too hard for ESLs to get the local accent.

  36. Lot says:
    @Thulean Friend

    This is the best graph I’ve seen, but it is still complicated and flawed if your primary concern is the World’s Most Important Graph and the third world invasion of Europe.

    For example, the “center right” group includes Merkel’s own party and ranges from open borders nuts like her to sober traditional German conservatives. It also includes some of large/mainstream central European rightist parties that are extremely anti-migration for their own countries, but bloc with Merkel because of other issues and their economic dependence on Germany.

    So you really have to tally the Western hard right parties with all of the Central/Eastern mainstream right parties to figure out how many votes stopping the invasion got. Even then, within the Western mainstream right parties there is a range of views on it.

    • Replies: @216
  37. 216 says:
    @DH

    IMO, the simple reason is that Farage is a classical liberal that wants to counter-signal the fact he’s leading an ethno-souveranist movement.

    The actual reason may be more complex though. Farage is notoriously unwilling to share power with fellow leaders or membership, as fringe parties attract fringe people. His party has a poor attendance rate in Brussels, and barely coordinates as a group.

    The parties on the continent are well developed with larger memberships, and due to proportional electoral systems have representation at the national parliament level. If the three conservative groups in the EP combined, I’d be surprised if Farage was selected as group leader.

    Showhorse/workhorse

  38. 216 says:
    @Lot

    The other question is who are the new Commissioners being appointed.

    As the larger party in Parliament, Five Star is presumably entitled to Italy’s seat. But Salvini would be wise to consider a power play, jumping from Interior Minister in Rome to Commissioner in Brussels. He would be the AOC of the Commission.

    Does PiS in Poland appoint a dud as Commissioner, or do they really want to piss everyone off and appoint Kaczynski himself?

    Juncker gave Orban’s Commissioner a lame assignment, perhaps he bargians for something more this time.

  39. Lagertha says:

    SOOOOO OT…but, love, it is May, after all, and, I have red-haired babies:

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  40. IC8 says:
    @(((Owen)))

    “On the mainland, the parties of EU cohesion and mass immigration from Africa and Moslem lands are winning large and impressive majorities everywhere.”

    This is not true. Italy, Poland, Austria, Hungary, and other Eastern European countries have anti-immigration majorities.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  41. @(((Owen)))

    Haha! Neither of the Conservative or Labour rumps could be considered to be for ‘Remain’.
    The vote split by any honest reading is about 55/45 in favour of Leave.

  42. LondonBob says:

    Matthew Goodwin called it right, the insurgent nationalists consolidate or improve on gains. The left continues to fracture with greens and liberals splitting the vote.

    Truly stunning vote for the Brexit Party with the world’s oldest political party, the Conservatives, on life support.

    Le Pen beats Macron, Berlusconi is back.

  43. LondonBob says:
    @DH

    Those millions of transitional fossils haven’t turned up. Besides fish sprouting legs, gill’s turning in to lungs instantaneously all sounds pretty far fetched.

  44. Anonymous[599] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking only of the UK, these EU elections – elections by the way which never should have been held – are conspicuous by the collapse of the ‘old firm’ duopoly which runs the UK.

    The Conservatives scored their lowest vote ever in their history – which, when your consider that the Tory/Conservative Party has been around since the 1650s, is remarkable. The Labour Party, likewise was soundly rejected, notably by Britain’s poor and working class – the people the Blair/Economist Administration shat all over.

    The clear winner, of course, is Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party. The takeaway is clear, in order to survive, the Conservatives must own Brexit and advocate ‘full WTO Brexit’ with Boris Johnson as leader. It must be Boris and no one but Boris. Jacob Rees-Mogg must, likewise, be given a high position.

    The more significant story is, however, that the turmoil we are now seeing in British politics is purely and simply the backlash/karma against the Blair/Economist open door policy of massive uncontrolled immigration.

    The sad fact is that despite the terrible price to be paid in political ruction due to immigration, politicians will still rabidly press for it regardless. Such is the fact of political vanity – and the power of doggie-treats issued by The Economist. We are dealing with very very stupid and very very rubbish people here.

    • Agree: jim jones, Cowboy shaw
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @MarkU
  45. Anonymous[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @216

    The only solution is a General Election in which the Brexit Party fields candidates against remain supporting MPs whilst not standing against leave supporting MPs.
    Then let the chips fall as they may.

  46. Anonymous[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((Owen)))

    Actually, both Labour and the Conservatives fought the 2017 General Election on a manifesto promising to honor the leave vote.

  47. Anonymous[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((Owen)))

    Actually, the ‘Battle Axe People’ were a Corded Ware group.
    And it’s exceedingly likely that the ‘Beaker Folk’ were too.
    Autosomally they are pretty much indistinguishable, only the y haplogroup differs, but that could be due to sampling bias.

  48. @anonymous

    So Gussie got a tank full of newts?

  49. Gee, if you believe the MSMeu, the “extremists” only did as expected, therefore a poor showing. German media seems to think the drubbing their two main parties too to the benefit of the Greens means that people are most concerned about climate chang and protecting the environment, although an equally plausible analysis is that the could not find it in them to tick the box for a party that has been disparaged from the get-go as the new Nazi party.

  50. @Chrisnonymous

    Trump’s MAGA movement is a chaotic one man show. These European “far right” parties are anything but that.

  51. @IC8

    I think (((Owen))) is using “mainland” to mean the UK, excluding Northern Ireland, rather than continental Europe. Calling the island of Great Britain “the mainland” is just one of the many idiotic things they’ve come up with in recent decades.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
  52. Ty Rade says:

    Identifiable breakdown of European elections in UK, %

    Identifiable Leave: 35
    Brexit 32
    UKIP 3

    Identifiable Remain: 39
    LibDem 20
    Green 12
    ChangeUK 3
    SNP 4

    On this (wrong) basis many media talking heads talking up a ‘Remain’ majority – 39:35. Or even worse, counting all Labour and Conservative %s in the Remain column.

    Labour won 14%, Tories 9%

    But in the 2016 referendum (remember? 17.4 million still do!) Labour parliamentary constituencies split 64:36 in favour of Leave; Tory constituencies 75:25 for Leave.

    Apply these splits to last night’s Labour and Tory european election %, ie the 14% and 9%;

    Leave proper: 50
    Brexit 32
    UKIP 3
    Labour 9
    Conservative 6

    Remain proper: 47
    LibDem 20
    Green 12
    ChangeUK 3
    SNP 4
    Labour 5
    Conservative 3

    On my roundings, 50:47 for Leave looks to be within a hanging chad of the 52:48 2016 referendum result. Ie everything has changed and all stays the same!

    Except, of course, the political temperature is now off the scale, the (ridiculous in a ‘first past the post’ system, like, urm, ours!) hope of ‘compromise’ obliterated.

    Forecast: No Deal exit on October 31, probably after general election in which prime minister Johnson stands in a coalition with Brexit Party. Sterling trashed until then.

  53. MarkU says:
    @216

    Leave got 52% of the vote in 2016, the Brexit Party got about 32% in ’19. If they got a clear majority, this game would have been over.

    So all the people who voted Labour, Liberal or Green etc were voting remain? I don’t think that is true, I think a lot of people are voters of habit who would have voted for the same party they usually would.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  54. @Anonymous

    …. the Conservatives must own Brexit and advocate ‘full WTO Brexit’ with Boris Johnson as leader. It must be Boris and no one but Boris.

    But Boris Johnson is a buffoon with a private life that rivals Trump’s.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian
    , @Anonymous
  55. MarkU says:
    @Anonymous

    Boris Johnson is an unscrupulous opportunistic clown. We are dealing with the man who claimed that Putin personally ordered the ridiculous “Skripal poisoning” before any investigation had occurred. A man who will promote a pack of ridiculous lies, increasing the chances of WW3, simply to advance his own political career is obviously not fit to be in office, at all, at any level. To mistake him for a man with any principles at all would be a terrible error of judgement.

    Nevertheless he has the right initials for the role, if Trump requires a BJ then Boris will obviously be the right man for the job.

  56. @Otis in Ohio

    “The Right Gains Ground in European Elections, But So Does Left.”

    This seems to make little sense if you think of “right” and “left” as opposite poles of something.

    But if you understand that what is called “centrism” is itself an extremist view that people are reacting against, it makes sense.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  57. @216

    The Conservative party is going to be directed by a Brexit supporter.
    Labor acknowledges the Brexit vote results.

    What are you talking about?

    Brexit+UKIP+Con+Labor = 58.1 %

  58. @Irishman

    Exactly. The stupid Brexit fools wouldn’t take yes for an answer and voted down what they said they wanted thrice.Their reward will be Corbyn and no Brexit and their utter discrediting.

    Fools. Fools. Fools.

    Cue the oiks squawking that Remoaner May’s deal wasn’t real Brexit because… who cares.

    Oh please. I’m at a much much further remove, but c’mon. What the EU and May kept serving up was a bureaucratic porridge of EU meddling forever.

    The problem was they had a woman doing a man’s job. So they were getting the “we have to reprint the high school year book because … ooo, so scary.”

    Sovereignty isn’t something you negotiate, it’s something you assert, you take.

    Have the vote, then set your date, tell the EU and leave. In the interim as your date approaches you can negotiate new terms of trade. You can ask for the deal that Norway and Switzerland have without being in Schengen. Or ask for something else. The EU can always say “no”–and you’re back to default WTO rules. But trade is a two way street. EU businesses have dependencies on selling in the UK as well as vice versa. And finally sovereign, if some politician or nation or sector is blocking you getting what you want, you can target and retaliate against their interests. Sovereign, you can negotiate terms that fit your needs with other nations–the Commonwealth, the Anglo-sphere, the Chinese, etc.

    This idea that it’s all so complex and scary. Bollocks. Sure you can throw as much complexity into a trade deal as you want. But there’s nothing scary about it. People have been trading for thousands upon thousands of years and it doesn’t require giving up your sovereignty to do it.

    This is a nation that 80 years ago, went to war–plunged the world into a world war–over … Poland! Now it’s a nation that three years after voting to leave the EU’s bureaucratic bog … can’t manage to assert its basic soverignty and just effing leave. That’s your problem.

  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buck Ransom

    It’s easy to recognize the “mainstream,” aka “centrist” parties because they are the ones advocating unobjectionable, sensible, rather dull and totally moderate policies such as flooding all of Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners who will live on the dole and commit mayhem for several generations, perhaps longer.

    In America, what do you call someone who thinks that we should be at war all the time, involve ourselves in the internal affairs of every other country on Earth, and maintain population-replacement levels of immigration?

    A Moderate.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
  60. Bruno says:
    @(((Owen)))

    Poland, Hungary and Italy have nationalist anti-migrant majorities.

    And 2 to 1 given the media pressure is something (or not nothing as we say in French) .

    But the actual process will continue the same or worse , that’s sure …

  61. Fredrik says:
    @jim jones

    Think in terms of proportional representation, not first past the post. Greens were gaining a lot even outside of the stronghold in Brighton(which incidentally is the gay capital of Britain).

  62. @AnotherDad

    God! You’re such a… such a man!! I can’t even…

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  63. @(((Owen)))

    Brexit parties (BRX and UKIP) won 35%.
    Remain parties (Lab, Con, Lib Dem, Green, SNP) won 65%.

    This was a complete loss for Brexit and a total repudiation of the Brexit agenda. A new referendum will be coming as will most likely a general election.

    Owen, you’re there and i’m here, but while i share your overall glum outlook this reading seems over the top.

    Even though these are somewhat bogus sideshow elections–where people can get a little crazy– there’s a natural tendency of people to vote for the same party slates they usually vote for.

    Yet, this brand new Brexit party won a third of the vote. A plurality in pretty much everywhere in England still populated but native Britons, with the exception of the solid good-white countries and a few counties in Wales. Basically, this looks like a huge majority of Conservative Party voters–along with a few white working class Labor voters–giving the finger to the pathetic feminized bureaucratized hash that May made out of Brexit.

    To expect every single Leave voter, to suddenly vote for BRX seems a bit much.

    I devoutly *wish* every white European would wise the hell up … yesterday! But not everyone’s life revolves around politics, thinking critically about the future, the unique culture of the West, HBD, especially when the establishment media generates a continuous fog of lies. I think some guy named Powell started a somewhat famous speech with a few lines about this problem of political focus on the future:

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary.

    By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: “If only,” they love to think, “if only people wouldn’t talk about it, it probably wouldn’t happen.”

  64. @Chrisnonymous

    God! You’re such a… such a man!! I can’t even…

    Chris, i normally wouldn’t bother with this mocking, but i’ll bite to make the point.

    For the record, I’m not some big manly man–never claimed to be. (I’m an intellectually oriented guy–pretty much always have been–though certainly my interests and my mode of behavior skews strongly male.)

    But seriously–whether it’s politics, business, science, engineering–at some point you have to stop just talking and dithering and actually *do* something. Make a decision, pass a law, enforce a law, build a product, write some code, run an experiment.

    It is a noticeably feminine tendency to talk, to seek consensus, to “stay within the lines”–not that women are all like that, nor alone in that. Plenty of men behave like that too. (I’ve dealt with them aplenty–generating confusion, delay, frustration and general unpleasantness–in my career.)

    May’s performance, whatever else you want to say about it, was classically feminine. She didn’t seem to either understand–or really feel in her bones–what was important (sovereignty), nor that there had to be an end to discussion and negotiation and actual action. It reminded me of watching a school board president.

    I see–and i think most people on the right–see this tendency throughout the West. That we couldn’t get back to the moon now in ten years, is a common observation. We take years to do simple things like build a highway. We still don’t have a decent wall up on our border. Too much concern for “feelings” and “victims”. Too much whining. Too much process. Too much bureaucracy. We have a nation–a civilization–that is no longer dynamic, but sluggish, like swimming in molasses.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @Anon
  65. @AnotherDad

    It’s pointless debating Brexit with an Irishman. The Irish are filling their underpants at the thought of having to pay their own way. (Excellent!)

    Incidentally, your analysis is spot on. Taking the no-deal option off the table, in any negotiation, is the tactic of a cretin. President Trump pointed this out to Theresa May, but her hobby is not listening to anybody, and since she is herself a cretin his golden advice fell upon doubly stony ground.

  66. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    If you read any of the books he’s written, or indeed his ‘Sunday Telegraph’ column, or his musings in the Spectator magazine – of which he was editor – you will soon gauge that the man is gifted, knowledgeable, well-read, in possession of a first-rate mind.

    To many Britons, the buffoonery and self-effacing comes across as ‘loveable’ in PG Wodehouse Bertie Wooster sort of the way, ie, the type of man he used to run Britain when Britain was great.

  67. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What used to be called ‘a jolly good chap’.

  68. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:

    I for one look forward to the judicious application of exploding cigarettes, itching powder, whopee cushions and other assorted Public School jolly japes at the Johnson run No. 10 Downing Street.

    • Agree: Lot
  69. Art Deco says:

    If I understand correctly, votes in EU elections differ systematically from those in national elections. The EU makes use of a PR system most national assemblies do not use (meaning a different decision-making matrix) and people use the elections to blow off steam (something safe because the EU ‘parliament’ is not a legislative body; it discusses the implementation of legislation generated by the European Commission). The Le Pen outfit in France has always had a much large base among voters in EU elections than it has had during French elections.

    One thing it may indicate (in and along with certain national results) is that the social democratic bloc in European electorates is breaking up, and that in the future you’ll have only a rump social democratic party as most of its quondam supporters have sorted themselves among parties for red-haze militants, green squish-heads, and social-liberals. Note that Israel and a number of East European countries feature social democratic parties which cannot poll above 20% of the electorate, something that in the Europe of 1976 was limited to Ireland and a few microstates.

  70. @Anonymous

    To many Britons, the buffoonery and self-effacing comes across as ‘loveable’ in PG Wodehouse Bertie Wooster sort of the way, ie, the type of man he used to run Britain when Britain was great.

    No, the Boris Johnson, Bertie Wooster types were the ones who used to faff around while their more serious classmates from Eton, Harrow and less fashionable schools got on with running things. The Bo Jo types lived off investments while other people ran the sugar plantations, designed the locomotive engines and fought the wars.

    But it’s your country and your call. If you want a more articulate Justin Trudeau of your own then go for it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  71. Lot says:
    @Chris Handsome

    CRB is printing Intelligent Design stuff? Oh well. I have no problem sharing a big tent with them.

    I noticed in the same new issue a big positive article about Tucker by Michael Anton.

    The beginning looks pretty good:

    https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/tuckers-right1/

  72. @Chrisnonymous

    “In defense of Cadbury, it really was better before it got bought out by, what, Hershey’s?”

    I seem to recall it was Krafts – the chocolates just didn’t taste the same after they filled them with disgusting processed cheese.

    Cadburys back in the day was a great employer – lots of clubs and sport facilities. Kraft promised to keep the Bristol factory open – then closed it, moved production to Poland, and sold off the factory and the huge sports grounds for a housing development. I spit on them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerdale_Factory

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  73. @(((Owen)))

    If you read and understand French, here is an article that backs up your point.

    https://ripostelaique.com/55-dabrutis-ont-vote-pour-des-immigrationnistes-fous-et-des-ecolos-tares.html

    Still, first place is better than second in any election.

  74. @Anonymous

    Boris is almost completely unprincipled his only principle being what’s good for B. Johnson Esq.

    He is indeed gifted, knowledgeable, well-read, and in possession of a first-rate mind. He’s also great with people and puts a smile on everyone’s face bar the odd cuckolded husband. Quite Clintonian in fact.

    Not a details man.

    He could be a great Brexit PM – but only if he thought that implementing Brexit was the path to power. The reverse is more likely.

    An anonymous commenter on the UK financial blog CityUnslicker posted this

    Thursday, 24th of October 2019. Seven days til we leave. A lectern sits outside No 10. Sky news have been there since the early hours, Laura K is having her make up touched up by the BBC team and hurriedly bats away the assistant as the door opens.

    Boris exits, saunters to the lectern, hair looking like an explosion of spaghetti frozen in time.

    He coughs, harrumphs and starts to explain: “I sent our finest against the EU, but the blighters had the cunning of the kraut, the finesse of the frog and the slyness of the spic. This was to be, sadly, no Agincourt. There was not enough havoc to be cried, and the dogs of war had had their feed tampered with and would not leave the confines of the kennel. A calamitous array of fiends has undermined old BoJo’s plans, a cabal of malevolence that not even seeing would have you believing the unbelievable scope of the odds we almost defeated.

    But friends, colleagues, brexiteers and remainers, be not dismayed! This is not the end of Brexit, this not even the end of the beginning of Brexit! The battle is lost, but the war is there to be won, trust in old BoJo and we’ll be having trade deals coming out of our ears before too long and we shall reverse this travesty and Albion will prevail! Thank you all.

    The news crews all look at each other, confused, as Boris heads back, and slowly it dawns upon them. Article 50 (the legal mechanism by which we leave the EU) has just been revoked.

    Next day the papers lead with Boris’ face photoshopped onto Churchill’s body, giving the V for victory and the tagline of Brexit’s Dunkirk.

    Brexit is dead, but Boris has somehow made everybody feel fine about that. The Remainers are certain we’ll never be leaving, the Leavers are certain that Boris is merely biding his time…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  75. anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    my skills at analogy are insufficient to reply to that

  76. Philip Neal says: • Website

    I have just learned (from Steve Sailer’s Twitter feed, believe it or not) that the result of the European elections is that somebody called Vestager is expected to become the European President, or President of Europe, or President of All the Europeans, whichever president it is. No, I haven’t heard of President-elect Vestager either. Apparently she is a woman.

    Europe has just elected a new president, indirectly through the European Parliament functioning as an electoral college. Well-informed people have never heard of him or her, do not know what party he or she belongs to, or what nationality he or she is, or whether he or she is a man or a woman. That is what happened in the European elections.

  77. @DH

    The origin of life is indeed perplexing, but microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing, though the latter takes longer. You believe that random mutation and natural selection can never make populations different enough that they can’t mate? The last common ancestor that humans shared with chimpanzees was 6-7 million years ago, and the two are not capable of producing offspring (all the chatter around hidden Soviet humanzees notwithstanding). Do you (or Coulter or the other “smart Creationists” that Steve will accept in his own big tent of race realists) believe that the same is untrue of human populations–that if you were to separate Population A from Population B for 6 to 7 million years in radically different environments, there would be no effect on the viability of their mating? And if you think 6 to 7 million years isn’t long enough, we can extend the time horizon to 10 million, 100 million, a billion yrs. Reductio ad absurdum, QED.

  78. notanon says:
    @Chris Handsome

    evolution is on the side of Christianity

    if evolution is true
    then religiosity is genetic
    then religion is (or at least was) adaptive.

    so if someone has the God gene they should be religious – doesn’t matter if it’s true or not – for them religion is the healthy option, like vitamins.

    • Replies: @fallow
  79. notanon says:

    the center-left and center-right continue to shrink as neoliberal economics does the opposite of what the political -media class said it would and both the far-left (ish) and far-right (ish) continue to grow or solidify.

    only slightly in western Europe but more substantially in east and south.

    not very dramatic but the direction is clear – polarization.

  80. HA says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    “Embracing intelligent design is just rushing from one error into another.”

    Except that’s not the only alternative, even for those who don’t consider you to be the ultimate arbiter of what is and isn’t “error”. The physicists had to deal with a similar issue, in calculating the startling a priori unlikelihood that the fundamental physical parameters of the universe are arranged so as to allow for life.

    One alternative is to jointly consider Everett’s many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, and also the Anthropic Principle, whereby all the other myriad universes that such an interpretation can be ignored simply because in all but a smidgeon, so to speak, no observers exist. That would solve the problem of how a universe that seems impossible nonetheless came to contain observers able to marvel at such a turn of events.

    It’s not a very satisfying theory, but a godless universe doesn’t have to care about satisfying us, and for those whose belief systems extend to the universe being a very, very large number of simple things governed by simple rules, that kind of conclusion seems to be the ultimate end game. It’s not that different from positing a large number of monkeys randomly typing out Turing machine tapes. Eventually, one of them will generate the universe as we know it.

    There’s other variations of this line of “reasoning”, but they’re all as unsatisfying as they are not-disprovable. Alan Guth was of the opinion (at one point, anyway) that the Big Bang represented a quantum tunneling event from some earlier state (i.e. a momentary violation of the conservation of energy that quantum mechanics allows). Similarly, one could go on to posit that we somehow quantum-tunneled from a state in which there was no platypuses into one in which there was (at which point we’re rapidly approaching lastthursdayism territory).

    In other words, one doesn’t have to believe in a godless universe (and that’s not a church where I myself have ever kneeled) to admit that there’s quite a number of atheistic theories that would explain the physical universe as we thus far know it.

  81. notanon says:
    @DH

    the BBC would scour every comment made by an allied politician on the continent to attack him with.

    he’s very cautious about stuff like that, maybe too cautious but he’s survived so far against a media that is as hostile to him as the US media is to Trump so maybe he’s right.

  82. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast

    If you want a more articulate Justin Trudeau of your own then go for it.

    Johnson has had a turn in executive positions large (Mayor of London) and small (editor of The Spectator) and has been a figure in British letters for 30 years. He’s been fired by at least one employer but otherwise never failed at anything in his professional life. Prior to that, he had a satisfactory academic record pursuing an oddly retro course of study at Oxford. He also served a term as president of the Oxford Union. His father is prominent, but not someone the man in the street is likely to have heard of.

    Not optimal, but I cannot figure how he reminds you of Justin Trudeau. Trudeau had a tour (seven years) as a high school teacher ‘ere embarking on a five year career as a serial grad school dropout. He was then given a parliamentary seat and then put in the leadership position by people who calculated (correctly) that branding was everything. He is intellectually quite unremarkable.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @jim jones
  83. Art Deco says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Your commenter is wishcasting.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  84. @Art Deco

    Boris Johnson is like Justin Trudeau in that they’re both unashamedly just entertaining placeholders. When the Brexit actually won the referendum, Boris opted out of the work needed to bring it about. He likes the attention and status that comes from public life but not the boring and hard work. Both Boris and Johnson are dilettantes.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Art Deco
  85. @Cagey Beast

    * both Justin Trudeau and Boris Johnson are dilettantes.

  86. fallow says:
    @notanon

    Good that you don’t conflate truth (or perceived truth) with adaptivity… Defensive atheists, presented with evidence of “the Mormon glow” and their own freakishness, can’t make that leap (& they’re so scientific minded according to them!) Yet that ambiguous tense (is/was) is staying with me. Czechia, the closest thing to an atheistic (or at least irreligious) country in modern Europe, seems to be doing… FINE! Perhaps better than expected socially & economically. Across the mountains highly religious Poland also seems to be doing…. Fine. Not much better or worse to be honest. Ofc there are historical differences between the 2 dating back to the Counter-Reformation, but genetically they’re very close. Do you think the frequency of “the God gene,” as you put it, is really all that much higher in the Poles than the Czechs?

    • Replies: @notanon
  87. jim jones says:
    @Art Deco

    Boris managed to sort out Public Transport in London despite it being heavily unionised.

  88. @YetAnotherAnon

    Cadbury was perfect – would never have let all that stuff happen.

  89. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Since he was the foreign minister for two years, it’s exceedingly implausible he was ‘opting out’.

  90. notanon says:
    @fallow

    no idea

    my guess (not ever having been to either Czechia or Poland) is religiosity might have more benefit the more pozzed a society is so in a place where poz reigns supreme (like the US now or maybe those two countries under communism) religiosity might be more beneficial than places where things have been steadily improving for a decade or two – just a guess though.

  91. @Cagey Beast

    No, I agree that’s lunacy. I meant Germany and France, the countries that make up most of continental Europe’s productivity.

  92. @Art Deco

    The point is that Boris has probably got more of what’s needed (it’s a sad reflection of UK decline that ‘star quality’ is now a major attribute) than any other candidate (Andrea Leadsom isn’t well enough known, although she was spot on when she stood against May and said that as a parent she had more of a stake in the future direction of the UK than May did) – but would he use it on the right side?

    I don’t know the truth of it, but it was said back in 2015 that he wrote two newspaper articles before campaigning for Leave – one headed “Why I Will Vote Leave” and one headed “Why I Will Vote Remain”. He was a strong supporter of Turkish accession to the EU – a huge red flag, almost mainsail-sized. The EU really needs another 80 million Muslims.

    If he could be trusted he’d be the best leader, but all the institutional and financial power is with Remain – in other words they can offer him much more.

  93. Gordo says:
    @DH

    One wonders if he is State.

  94. Marine Le Pen and the patriots in France defeated the globalizers under the command of Rothschild puppet whore Macron.

    Farage and the patriots in England once again bested the globalizer rats in the two-party tyranny created by the British first past the post electoral system.

    Matteo Salvini will kill the European Union and the European Central Bank and the euro, but first Salvini will load that ECB bitch of a bank up with massive unpayable debt.

    A German stooge boy for the plutocrat globalizers will take control of the European Central Bank and Salvini will say BASTA! — we ain’t paying no more.

  95. No Boris Johnson nor Dominic Raab for English Prime Minister.

    Boris Johnson puts the interests of Turkey ahead of the interests of England and he was born in the Upper East Side of Manhattan and Dominic Raab is too cozy with tart whore globalizer Danny Hannan.

    Dominic Raab is especially shady.

    Dominic Raab is a nasty fraud who pals around with that free trade twat Daniel Hannan.

    Dominic Raab did connect mass legal immigration and illegal immigration to high housing costs in England. But he didn’t strongly make the case and he goes on and on about the need to build more housing and pave over the countryside in England.

    Dominic Raab also keeps the scam going where the UK politician puppet whores tell the young people they’re going to give the young a hand up onto the housing ladder, when what the older generations in England are really doing is kicking the young people in the head on housing and screwing over young people hard by flooding the UK with mass immigration and using zero or low interests rates to create a massive asset bubble in real estate.

    Dominic Raab is a horrible scam artist who puts the interests of Israel over the interests of England.

    Dominic Raab is a scoundrel and a globalizer and a threat to the safety and security and sovereignty of the English people.

    I much prefer Max Raabe to Dominic Raab and most experts would agree with me.

    Max Raabe and Palaster Orchester:

  96. @Cagey Beast

    I like this Salvini guy more and more.

    I went with the black MAGA cap as well.

  97. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    This is a nation that 80 years ago, went to war–plunged the world into a world war–over … Poland!

    Might that actiona have been a manifestation of a lack of sovereignty?

  98. @216

    That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. Will media embargo prevent Brexit Party from ever attracting enough human capital to garner a vote share equivalent to the support for its platform?

  99. @AnotherDad

    Sorry, AnotherDad, but I wasn’t mocking you. I agree with what you’ve written here and what I replied to upthread.

  100. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    I remember Teresa May crying in public over the Grenfell Tower fire. That was a big tell that she wasn’t cut out for the job. The deaths of people who were either foreigners or Labour voters should have been a matter of indifference to her. Sure, she should have made some pious statements of sympathy for the victims, but the fact that she let herself get emotionally involved with these people showed that she wasn’t a serious politician.

  101. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    seriously – there are young people who are not partisans. Ed is a patriot.

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