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The Eric Holder Everywhere Is Guilty Challenge Met: Here Are 4 Cities in Southern California with Black Arrest Rates Below Average!

As you’ve likely heard, Attorney General Eric Holder announced this week that he was shocked, shocked to discover arresting of blacks going on in Ferguson, Missouri at a higher rate than for the population as a whole.

But, is Ferguson unique in blacks getting in trouble with the law more than whites? Indeed, I asked, how many municipalities don’t have a racial disparity in arrest rates? I then made some suggestions for finding some towns with racial equality in arrest rates, such as my SWAG Minot, ND.

Commenter Anthony pointed out that USA Today had recently asked that question and crunched all the data for a 2011-2012 period.

Racial gap in U.S. arrest rates: ‘Staggering disparity’
Brad Heath, USA TODAY 2:24 p.m. EST November 19, 2014

When it comes to racially lopsided arrests, the most remarkable thing about Ferguson, Mo., might be just how ordinary it is.

Police in Ferguson — which erupted into days of racially charged unrest after a white officer killed an unarmed black teen — arrest black people at a rate nearly three times higher than people of other races.

At least 1,581 other police departments across the USA arrest black people at rates even more skewed than in Ferguson, a USA TODAY analysis of arrest records shows. That includes departments in cities as large and diverse as Chicago and San Francisco and in the suburbs that encircle St. Louis, New York and Detroit. …

To measure the breadth of arrest disparities, USA TODAY examined data that police departments report to the FBI each year. For each agency, USA TODAY compared the number of black people arrested during 2011 and 2012 with the number who lived in the area the department protects. (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)

The review did not include thousands of smaller departments or agencies that serve areas with only a small black population. It also did not include police agencies in most parts of Alabama, Florida and Illinois because those states had not reported complete arrest data to the FBI.

The review showed:

• Blacks are more likely than others to be arrested in almost every city for almost every type of crime. Nationwide, black people are arrested at higher rates for crimes as serious as murder and assault, and as minor as loitering and marijuana possession.

• Arrest rates are particularly lopsided in some pockets of the country, including St. Louis’ Missouri suburbs near Ferguson. In St. Louis County alone, more than two dozen police departments had arrest rates more lopsided than Ferguson’s. In nearby Clayton, Mo., for example, only about 8% of residents are black, compared with about 57% of people the police arrested, according to the city’s FBI reports. Clayton’s police chief, Kevin Murphy, said in a prepared statement that “Ferguson has laid bare the fact that everyone in law enforcement needs to take a hard look at how we can better serve our communities and address any disparities that have existed in our departments for too long.”

• Deep disparities show up even in progressive university towns. USA TODAY found police in Berkeley, Calif., and Madison, Wis., arrested black people at a rate more than nine times higher than members of other racial groups. Madison Police Chief Michael Koval said most of the arrests happen in the poorest sections of the city, which are disproportionately black, and where some residents have pleaded for even more police presence. Still, he said, “I think it would be remiss to suggest the police get out of this whole thing with a free pass. We have to constantly be doing the introspective look at who we are hiring and how we are training.”

• Arrest rates are lopsided almost everywhere. Only 173 of the 3,538 police departments USA TODAY examined arrested black people at a rate equal to or lower than other racial groups.

I was, of course, struck by there being 173 police departments where there was no disparity.

Where are these places?

USA Today doesn’t provide the data in tabular form. You have to look at a hard-t0-manipulate map for each state.

I checked out my guess of Minot, North Dakota, which is near an Air Force base. But the black arrest rate is a little over 4 times the non-black rate there.

So I looked at the Southern half of California. There are four places within about 150 miles of Los Angeles that have no disparity in arrest rates:

Chino, Norco, Tehachapi, and Delano.

What else do they have in common?

Chino is home to the California Institution for Men, which gets only 2 out of 5 stars from its Yelp reviewers: e.g., “It’s prison…..nuff said….”

Norco is home to the California Rehabilitation Center.

Tehachapi’s best known accommodations were recently declared to be Tehachapi SHU is the worst of any SHU, prison or jail I have seen in 23 years.”

And Delano is home to the Kern Valley State Prison.

Commenter Donut suggested a couple of days ago:

How about any town with a correctional facility , the prison pop. is majority black and most towns with prisons are maj. white yet the prisoners are counted as residents of the town . The prisoners obviously can’t commit crimes in the town , one would hope and hey , presto ! a large group of law abiding Negros surrounded by a white criminal class .

 
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  1. I checked out my guess of Minot, North Dakota, which is near an Air Force base. But the black arrest rate is a little over 4 times the non-black rate there.

    That’s still roughly 50% below the nationwide disparity, right?

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  2. It has been obvious for decades now that all of public life eventually resembles a Tom Wolfe novel; and now, this officially proves that all social studies data properly considered eventually resembles an iSteve blog post.

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  3. Steve,

    Donut deserves a gold star!!!

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    He does, but I deserve a silver star, or at least a sticker or something, for predicting that places with near parity in black vs white crime would have a lot of Hispanics who would be counted as white in the crime stats. And the places Steve mentions are all heavily Hispanic, Delano overwhelmingly so.
  4. I would guess that most of the put-upon African American residents of East St. Louis are not criminals but most of the non-black residents and visitors to that fair city are.

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  5. For each agency, USA TODAY compared the number of black people arrested during 2011 and 2012 with the number who lived in the area the department protects. (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.

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    • Replies: @LemmusLemmus
    There's no need to hint at this. This information has been available for free to anyone who bothered to download the FBI datasets or even only the documentation to those datasets. There is a short period (around 1980, I think) in which the FBI tracked this, then it was discontinued.

    However, the states of New York and California do collect this information. Here's an academic article using that data:

    http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Steffensmeier_Trends_in_Black_Crime.pdf
    , @asininereality

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.
     
    They do track victimization rates for Hispanics. In the DOJ and other demographic data, "Hispanic" is an "ethnicity". So you can be Asian-Hispanic, Black-Hispanic, "White"-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic, etc. Some "white Hispanics" are actually real white people, born in a Hispanic country. However we all know most "white" Hispanics are really Mestizos, and in a sane world would be classified "Amerindian-Hispanics". Regardless, so-called "white" Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US.

    Anyhow, for me a good proxy of overall offender rates is to look at the MURDER VICTIMIZATION RATE. DOJ has statistics on victim-offender relations, and 90-98% of the time, if they know the victim-offender relation, the victim and offender are in the same racial and ethnic group. I think we can extrapolate and say that, the vast majority of the time, murder victims are probably murdered by members of their own racial/ethnic group. This makes sense in numerous ways (you are more likely to know others of your own racial/ethnic group, more likely to live in neighborhoods with similar racial/ethnic demographics as yourself, etc.)

    Also you cannot "fake" murder victims, the way liberals might say that "drug arrests" are "faked" with "planted evidence." Dead bodies are dead bodies.

    If we presume that murder victims are therefore a good proxy for murder OFFENDERS, than we can find that....

    Hispanics murder about 4-5 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Blacks murder about 10 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Asians murder about the same as whites (in the USA).

    If we then assume that overall crime rates (rape, burglary, arson, etc.) probably correlate well to the murder rate.........

    This is not rocket science. This is not fancy statistics. This is pretty easy stuff.

    I actually downloaded and tabulated murder victimization rates for all UCC municipalities (with over 10,000 population) in the US and just plotted "percent black population" vs "murder rate", "percent Hispanic population" vs "murder rate", etc.

    As you can well imagine, in all cases there is a high correlation between percentage of NAM (non-Asian minority) population and violent crime. I did not do any math. Just plot a graph and LOOK AT IT.

    Income factors but does not does not even really seem to factor much. There are many majority poor white towns with almost no murder or violent crime, and a fair number of majority poor and middle class white towns that approach (but do not exceed) the AVERAGE black murder rate.

    There are, of course, several Hispanic towns with almost no murder or violent crime. There are also a few black towns in the US that seem to have fairly low violent crime rates. Most seem to be suburban or semi-suburban neighborhoods of major cities (e.g., Southfield, MI).

    But overall the trend is what your average "racist" would have guessed.

    Arrest rates may be what they are. But as long as there are disproportionate rates of criminality amongst racial/ethnic groups, there will always be disproportionate arrest rates as well. This seems like it would be accepted as a consequence of arithmetic but such is the world we live in.
  6. Since they don’t track Hispanic vs non-hispanic whites, I suspect you will also see less disparity in places where there is a large white Hispanic population.

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  7. 173 seems like a small enough number for someone to get an intern on this: are ALL of them prison towns?

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    • Replies: @George S
    Let's crowdsource this. Enter your state abbreviation and get your raw data:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/OK.json

    Don't worry, I already saved all the data locally. If you want to do it yourself, run this (requires jq):


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done

  8. I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people

    2. Places with exceedingly few black people

    3. State prison towns

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    • Replies: @Noah172
    This is what I found glancing around the map, too. Looking at NJ (where I grew up), SC (where my wife is from), and GA (where we live now), the few places with under-disparities are Hispanic slums, white redneckvilles, almost-all-black rural slums, and maybe an odd Atlanta suburb.
    , @Big Bill

    I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people [...]

     

    A similar effect may be seen in high school graduation rates. The NAEP folks had researchers do a study/special report of 23 urban high school districts five or ten years ago. They reported that in the Detroit public schools, the white male graduation rate is smaller than the black male graduation rate.

    The tiny fraction of white kids left in the Detroit public school system just "ack black" and have assimilated with the Ghetto Borg.
  9. Of course since Hispanics are white for arrest purposes that too would cause some inflation in white arrest rates. Chino as of the 2010 census was 54% Hispanic and 27.8% Anglo. Delano 71.5% Hispanic, 7.9% Anglo. Norco is majority Anglo 56.4% , Hispanic 31.1 and Tehachapi, Anglo 9%, Hispanic 38%.

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  10. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ROTFL

    “How about any town with a correctional facility , the prison pop. is majority black and most towns with prisons are maj. white yet the prisoners are counted as residents of the town . The prisoners obviously can’t commit crimes in the town , one would hope and hey , presto ! a large group of law abiding Negros surrounded by a white criminal class .”

    Not even Orwell, Kafka, and Huxley could have dreamed up such looniness.

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  11. What my mother said about my wife’s giving birth the third time around, I say about you, Steve: “You make it look easy.”

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  12. The comments at the USA Today article are filled with wholesome realtalk goodness!

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  13. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I think Holder would like this guy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/boston-dean-student-shooting/index.html

    Watch the video. African American.

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    • Replies: @donut
    I don't see how "The Onion" can stay ahead of reality at this point .
  14. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ‘Gay marriage’ forced on states. Amnesty pushed on the nation.

    What kind of democracy is this?

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    As Lee Kuan Yew said, in a multikult society, you vote tribal interests not national interest.

    Many of us like to forget that 50% of America approves of the Obama regime.
  15. […] Average Joe Nationwide, black people are arrested at higher rates for crimes ranging from murder and assault to loitering and marijuana possession. […]

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  16. How about Needles, California? It’s on the edge of the Mojave desert. Granted, it is a tiny town of only about 4,000. Its black population is roughly 1.6%. Needles was home to Snoopy’s brother Spike in Charles M. Shultz’s Peanuts strip.

    Needles also supposedly has a sizable date crop or something.

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    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    I think I made it out there once. I was on my way to Las Vegas, but I turned back. I must have been near it; I could feel it.
  17. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Look for where the Hispanics are. Brownsville, TX for example.

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  18. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Looking at just the state of Nebraska, this analysis by USA Today is a joke. The Lincoln and Omaha city police departments are over, while the respective county sheriff offices are under – because the county sheriff offices only cover the outlying, suburban and rural areas that are mostly white (i.e., the black populations are mostly covered by the city police departments). Two other areas that are under, Lexington and South Sioux City, have large meat packing outfits and have large Hispanic populations which count against the non-black arrest rate.

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  19. “At least 1,581 other police departments across the USA arrest black people at rates even more skewed than in Ferguson, a USA TODAY analysis of arrest records shows. That includes departments in cities as large and diverse as Chicago…”

    Barack Obama and Eric Holder should stop by the Chicago mayor’s office and introduce themselves, maybe have a little chat, or issue some subpoenas.

    Berkeley and Madison are exactly what I predicted – SWPL towns with even higher disparities in arrest rates than Ferguson. The local police should stop arresting blacks there. I’m sure the leftist college students wouldn’t mind a bit.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Madison was in the news in the past few days. All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed "teen" 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder's agitation working...
    , @Anonymous

    Berkeley and Madison are exactly what I predicted – SWPL towns with even higher disparities in arrest rates than Ferguson. The local police should stop arresting blacks there. I’m sure the leftist college students wouldn’t mind a bit.
     
    Not too far from Madison:
    http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/fight-handicapped-parking-injures-71-year-old-article-1.2140116
  20. I don’t get it. Are you trying to imply that black people commit more crime than white people?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Wow, that would be the most insane lunatic fringe conspiracy theory I've ever heard. How could black people even decide to commit more crimes than whites? How can they keep such a vast conspiracy secret? How would it be possible for white people not to notice and start a revolution?

    This is just dumb.
  21. The MSM never admits that blacks have a far higher crime rate. Which (of course) explains the disparity.

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    I guess USA Today procured the data from an FOIA request as individual municipality level arrests don’t seem to be broken out by race and freely available online?

    Also, Steve, several weeks ago there was discussion about SAT/ACT scores by state and by race/ethnicity. Here is data that I scraped.

    Covers 2006-2014. Prior to that the pdf formats were irregular. ACT scores are converted to their SAT equivalency. Ethnicity categorizations were standardized by me to attempt, albeit imperfectly, apples to apples comparisons.

    Bottom line, I don’t think much can be gleaned from comparing interstate differences in the scores of a single ethnic group as scores very heavily depend on participation rates. But then again, I’m no statistician.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    I suspect merging SAT and ACT test scores by state might be interesting, but it's a lot of work.

    But it might provide a good test on things like Texas's high NAEP scores. Does that stand up on high stakes tests, or just on the low stakes (for the students) NAEP?

    , @Lot
    I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless.

    You have to go to 7th grade standardized test scores or earlier to get a meaningful comparison because of uneven drop out rates.
  23. Steve, if you looked up “hatefact” in the Progressive dictionary, I’m pretty sure they’d cite this post as an example. :)

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  24. (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)

    That’s because, they’re counted as White/Caucasian.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    They're hispanic when victimised but white when victimising.

    Didn't someone on iSteve point out that if hispanic identical twins got in a fight and one killed the other that would add one murderer to the white total and one victim to the hispanic victim numbers with that rara avis a white killer. What's not to like if one support the narrative?
  25. @Priss Factor
    'Gay marriage' forced on states. Amnesty pushed on the nation.

    What kind of democracy is this?

    As Lee Kuan Yew said, in a multikult society, you vote tribal interests not national interest.

    Many of us like to forget that 50% of America approves of the Obama regime.

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  26. The Obama administration is selectively picking on Ferguson. It would be interesting to look at who are being hit with the asset forfeiture laws by race.

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  27. Not to be out-done by Southern California, and to stick
    up for Western New York, my candidate for such a town is
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_(town)%2C_New_York .
    But neither this article nor

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_Correctional_Facility

    contain enough relevant data to compute
    (black arrest rate)/(non-black arrest rate).

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  28. Besides the obvious nonsense of our Attorney General using 100% of his resources to provide cover for 15% of the population, when the other 85% need protection from the beloved 15%, there is another problem.

    Given the prestige of the office, the support of SJW everywhere, the benefit of AA laws and 6 years to make things right, things are not right. A disproportionate number of those new AA hires seem to be in disposable call center jobs or other training positions that can be eliminated or outsourced fairly quickly upon election of a less SJW chief executive, and the AG knows this. The great experiment has failed. The B team has been saying for decades, put us in coach, and coach put them in, and most of them put into the practice their most valued skills, socializing, and the whole system is now stressed b/c too much real work is being done by too few, non-disadvantaged adults.

    Disproportionate arrests for jaywalking indicate a racial tendency to jaywalk, and nothing else. Wholesale disregard for rules that allow society to function destroys society, most of the functional adults now have ample evidence to justify what will become a mostly emotional response to having had merit discriminated against for the sake of somehow righting a non-existent wrong, and I don’t think we will be too worried about what future historians are going to say about our response. I think we will be more worried that future historians can read, write, and follow traffic safety rules..

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  29. @iSteveFan

    For each agency, USA TODAY compared the number of black people arrested during 2011 and 2012 with the number who lived in the area the department protects. (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)
     
    The FBI doesn't track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.

    There’s no need to hint at this. This information has been available for free to anyone who bothered to download the FBI datasets or even only the documentation to those datasets. There is a short period (around 1980, I think) in which the FBI tracked this, then it was discontinued.

    However, the states of New York and California do collect this information. Here’s an academic article using that data:

    http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Steffensmeier_Trends_in_Black_Crime.pdf

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  30. @anon
    I guess USA Today procured the data from an FOIA request as individual municipality level arrests don't seem to be broken out by race and freely available online?

    Also, Steve, several weeks ago there was discussion about SAT/ACT scores by state and by race/ethnicity. Here is data that I scraped.

    Covers 2006-2014. Prior to that the pdf formats were irregular. ACT scores are converted to their SAT equivalency. Ethnicity categorizations were standardized by me to attempt, albeit imperfectly, apples to apples comparisons.

    Bottom line, I don't think much can be gleaned from comparing interstate differences in the scores of a single ethnic group as scores very heavily depend on participation rates. But then again, I'm no statistician.

    Thanks.

    I suspect merging SAT and ACT test scores by state might be interesting, but it’s a lot of work.

    But it might provide a good test on things like Texas’s high NAEP scores. Does that stand up on high stakes tests, or just on the low stakes (for the students) NAEP?

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  31. @iSteveFan

    For each agency, USA TODAY compared the number of black people arrested during 2011 and 2012 with the number who lived in the area the department protects. (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)
     
    The FBI doesn't track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.

    They do track victimization rates for Hispanics. In the DOJ and other demographic data, “Hispanic” is an “ethnicity”. So you can be Asian-Hispanic, Black-Hispanic, “White”-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic, etc. Some “white Hispanics” are actually real white people, born in a Hispanic country. However we all know most “white” Hispanics are really Mestizos, and in a sane world would be classified “Amerindian-Hispanics”. Regardless, so-called “white” Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US.

    Anyhow, for me a good proxy of overall offender rates is to look at the MURDER VICTIMIZATION RATE. DOJ has statistics on victim-offender relations, and 90-98% of the time, if they know the victim-offender relation, the victim and offender are in the same racial and ethnic group. I think we can extrapolate and say that, the vast majority of the time, murder victims are probably murdered by members of their own racial/ethnic group. This makes sense in numerous ways (you are more likely to know others of your own racial/ethnic group, more likely to live in neighborhoods with similar racial/ethnic demographics as yourself, etc.)

    Also you cannot “fake” murder victims, the way liberals might say that “drug arrests” are “faked” with “planted evidence.” Dead bodies are dead bodies.

    If we presume that murder victims are therefore a good proxy for murder OFFENDERS, than we can find that….

    Hispanics murder about 4-5 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Blacks murder about 10 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Asians murder about the same as whites (in the USA).

    If we then assume that overall crime rates (rape, burglary, arson, etc.) probably correlate well to the murder rate………

    This is not rocket science. This is not fancy statistics. This is pretty easy stuff.

    I actually downloaded and tabulated murder victimization rates for all UCC municipalities (with over 10,000 population) in the US and just plotted “percent black population” vs “murder rate”, “percent Hispanic population” vs “murder rate”, etc.

    As you can well imagine, in all cases there is a high correlation between percentage of NAM (non-Asian minority) population and violent crime. I did not do any math. Just plot a graph and LOOK AT IT.

    Income factors but does not does not even really seem to factor much. There are many majority poor white towns with almost no murder or violent crime, and a fair number of majority poor and middle class white towns that approach (but do not exceed) the AVERAGE black murder rate.

    There are, of course, several Hispanic towns with almost no murder or violent crime. There are also a few black towns in the US that seem to have fairly low violent crime rates. Most seem to be suburban or semi-suburban neighborhoods of major cities (e.g., Southfield, MI).

    But overall the trend is what your average “racist” would have guessed.

    Arrest rates may be what they are. But as long as there are disproportionate rates of criminality amongst racial/ethnic groups, there will always be disproportionate arrest rates as well. This seems like it would be accepted as a consequence of arithmetic but such is the world we live in.

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    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    That is actually a great way to try to determine Hispanic murder rates.

    If that is correct, it blows wide open the theory that Hispanic crime rates is on par with whites which has been theorized by a few people.
    , @David In TN
    The MSM often runs hand-wringing articles with the theme of "young black males are the most frequent murder victims."

    The same articles usually do not tell what group makes up the perpetrators of these particular crimes.
    , @Jim
    "Asian" is a very broad category including East Asians, Southeast Asians, Pacific Islanders, Indians, Middle Easterners, etc.. I'm pretty confident that East Asians residing in the US have lower rates of violent criminality than whites.
  32. What’s stunning is that Holder seems to believe his own falsifiable nonsense about Ferguson being a racist cesspool. How can the AG of the USA -even an arrogant and resentful hack like Holder- be ignorant of the racial aspect of basic crime statistics? This guy is polished, but dumb.

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    • Replies: @Forbes

    This guy is polished, but dumb.
     
    Hmm... it reminds me of someone else in this administration. I just can't put my finger on him.
  33. West Virgina, which has the whitest blacks (along with Kentucky) and the lowest IQ whites, probably has the smallest state disparity.

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  34. @anon
    I guess USA Today procured the data from an FOIA request as individual municipality level arrests don't seem to be broken out by race and freely available online?

    Also, Steve, several weeks ago there was discussion about SAT/ACT scores by state and by race/ethnicity. Here is data that I scraped.

    Covers 2006-2014. Prior to that the pdf formats were irregular. ACT scores are converted to their SAT equivalency. Ethnicity categorizations were standardized by me to attempt, albeit imperfectly, apples to apples comparisons.

    Bottom line, I don't think much can be gleaned from comparing interstate differences in the scores of a single ethnic group as scores very heavily depend on participation rates. But then again, I'm no statistician.

    I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless.

    You have to go to 7th grade standardized test scores or earlier to get a meaningful comparison because of uneven drop out rates.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless."

    I don't think it's meaningless, it's just difficult. You'd need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

  35. @Lot
    I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless.

    You have to go to 7th grade standardized test scores or earlier to get a meaningful comparison because of uneven drop out rates.

    “I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless.”

    I don’t think it’s meaningless, it’s just difficult. You’d need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

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    • Replies: @Lot

    You’d need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.
     
    You could make the assumption that if 25% take the SAT/ACT, that's the 25% on the far right of the bell curve, and the same if it is 40%. But we know that's not true: URMs are more likely to take the test at any given IQ score. High income and private school kids are also more likely to take the test at any given IQ, so even adjusting by race this isn't true.

    The bigger problem is "the culture of test prep" isn't just an asian thing. In the hickville where I grew up and took the SAT, I took it completely cold. I did not prep for it for even one minute. I don't think the few people from my high school who took it with me did either. Our scores just can't be compared to those of the white kids in New England and California who had extensive prep and better schooling the whole time. I took it in the late 90's, so this isn't ancient history.
    , @Lot

    A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.
     
    Get your son or some other college student or employee you know to set up a proxy connection between his college library site and your home PC.

    I do this to get access to gated articles, works like a charm. It takes 5 minutes to figure out with step by step instructions on the library website.

    Here's an interesting ETS article that isn't gated with some great data tables:

    http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED496620.pdf

    One brakes down verbal scores by race and native/non-native.

    Immigrant v native hispanics are 1% and 5% in the top two reading score categories. For Asians, the numbers are 7% and 22%, for whites 11% and 17%.

    Table A11 shows college graduates v IQ decile. 0.0% of whites with bottom 10% IQs have 4+ years of post-secondary education v. 0.8% of hispanics and 2.6% of blacks.
  36. Christ, now Holder is talking about disbanding the entire Ferguson PD.

    The message to police departments across the country is clear now. Don’t let white officers deal with black perps.

    It doesn’t matter if a white officer saved a black baby’s life just before a black man attacked him.

    Even if you’re in New York, it’s not enough to have a black police commander instruct the police force to target a cigarette peddler and have black officers supervise his arrest.

    If there’s even the slightest chance of something going wrong, there’s only one option: black cops need to be out in front, in harm’s way. Even that might be too risky — better to only send black cops out on patrol, and keep the white ones back at the station doing paperwork.

    The only way not to be racist toward black citizens is to be racist toward black cops.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    The message to police departments across the country is clear now. Don’t let white officers deal with black perps.
     
    What I'm getting is: Don't deal with black crime.
  37. Perhaps those 173 jurisdictions are the fictional ones portrayed in TV crime dramas, where all the offenders are middle-class white people.

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  38. A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the “right kind of people?”

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    They really do believe it.
    , @SFG
    ex-New Yorker, several decades in college towns:

    They definitely believe it. Liberals will go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting that blacks commit crimes more often, that women are biologically different from men and men are naturally better at some things, and so on.
    , @dumpstersquirrel
    'Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the “right kind of people?”'

    They really seem to believe this malarkey with their mouths..... and yet:

    They choose to live in the least Diverse and Vibrant places they can, like Portlandia, for example.

    All their friends and acquaintances exhibit zero percent Diversity and Vibrancy.

    They make sure their children have little to no exposure to Diversity.

    In other words, they say one thing, but live their lives in diametric opposition to their words.

    So....... which do you believe? I mock them without relent, to their faces....... and they seem unaware of it. It's hilarious.
    , @anonymous

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line
     
    Really, who can say for sure what's in the minds of people? Many people want to believe it because it simplifies their worldview. Others are in a tricky position where they have to protect their livelihood.
    , @ic1000
    In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it. That includes family and friends.
    , @IA
    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.

    Then, see how these areas vote. Very liberal. Why? Because they are voting as feminists, gays, lesbians, status-marking Eloi whites, etc. who have highly specialized desires that conflict with traditional values or sometimes even sanity.

    They play a cat and mouse game. In order to achieve their various desired results they must position themselves as being tolerant. In reality they are super conscious of black crime, low intelligence and violence. They make gestures of solidarity with blacks like the Yale grad who spends a year in Teach for America. It boosts his resume for law school. The fact that Teach for America or the hundreds of other programs and the billions of dollars spent over decades don't work means nothing to them.

    They have created a closed loop system which rewards those who believe in nothing but have a strong will to power.
    , @eah
    During the next 'interaction', try working this in somehow: Liberia has been an independent nation since around the time California became a state, and Whites are not allowed to be citizens of Liberia (look it up). The implication being that Liberia ought to be a good case for what Blacks can achieve on their own, ie without "institutional racism" and the malevolence of Whites to hold them back (but that can remain unsaid) . Then mention the first sentence in the CIA World Factbook's description of the Liberian economy:

    Liberia is a low income country that relies heavily on foreign assistance.

    Report back on how that goes.

  39. Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don’t want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    Illegal immigration offenses imply other offenses, particulary either identity theft / fraud or tax evasion, along with the many other deleterious social and fiscal implications of illegal immigration. In other words, illegal immigration per se is still anything but a victimless crime. As for the relative crime rates of Hispanics per se and non-Hispanic Whites (I even would prefer to have the latter category delimited to us non-Hispanic White European gentiles, since we are the ones that are hated as such!), I would suggest comparing the racial compositions of all state prisons and local jails, and then factoring in age and sexes, since the authorities' labeling of offenders is deliberately opaque. If most Hispanic immigrants are males, however, it does little good to say that they would commit fewer crimes if more of them were females, since they are self-selecting based on sexes.
    , @EriK

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration.
     
    I agree, although when it is presented like that (by Pew), I pictured a bunch of border jumpers. I knew there had to more to it and there is. According to the Pew report:

    "Immigration includes trafficking in U.S. passports; trafficking in entry documents; failing to surrender naturalization certificate; fraudulently acquiring U.S. passports; smuggling, etc.; being an unlawful alien; fraudulently acquiring entry documents; and unlawfully entering U.S."
    , @WhatEvvs
    I believe Ron Unz did an article about black male criminality, which showed that Hispanic crime rates were surprisingly low. I think they were lower than white crime rates.

    *****
    Meanwhile, in NYC:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/exclusive-no-link-stop-drop-shooting-rise-nypd-article-1.2140591

    No causal link between shootings and drop in stop and frisk, but there IS a causal link between Colorado and dope and the shootings:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/03/03/nypd-commissioner-blames-marijuana-for-increase-in-shootings/

    It still amazes me, the absolute utter BS that public officials in the US are allowed to get away with.
    , @David R. Merridale
    The one-for-one Hispanic-African American swap isn't available at this location, but there's something better: we'll give you two Hispanics for every African American *and* you can keep the negro! This deal is available at all locations. In fact, it's not really a deal: it's mandatory.
    , @cynthia curran
    Good point, that why I prefer Anaheim or Tucson Arizona over Houston and Dallas. Republicans including Steve love Texas but Texas has a lot of Latinos and many of them illegal plus Blacks but say this to a conservative Republican and they will tell you how great Texas is. Houston and Dallas are over 40 percent Latino and over 20 percent Black and have higher crime rates than Anaheim and possibly Tucson.
  40. @donut
    Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don't want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

    Illegal immigration offenses imply other offenses, particulary either identity theft / fraud or tax evasion, along with the many other deleterious social and fiscal implications of illegal immigration. In other words, illegal immigration per se is still anything but a victimless crime. As for the relative crime rates of Hispanics per se and non-Hispanic Whites (I even would prefer to have the latter category delimited to us non-Hispanic White European gentiles, since we are the ones that are hated as such!), I would suggest comparing the racial compositions of all state prisons and local jails, and then factoring in age and sexes, since the authorities’ labeling of offenders is deliberately opaque. If most Hispanic immigrants are males, however, it does little good to say that they would commit fewer crimes if more of them were females, since they are self-selecting based on sexes.

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    Great writeup, Steve. One of my favorite blogs here – it’s like waking up to reality – and I wouldn’t want it any other way.

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  42. If blacks don’t want to be arrested at a much higher rate than everyone else, they should stop committing crime at a much higher rate than everyone else.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    No, that's too complicated a concept. There must be other reasons, preferably ones that pin the blame on whites. 'Let my people go' Holder is trying to carve out more territory for black skin privilege so that they have license to do whatever they please. Bottom line, create a privileged caste.
  43. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    They really do believe it.

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  44. @asininereality

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.
     
    They do track victimization rates for Hispanics. In the DOJ and other demographic data, "Hispanic" is an "ethnicity". So you can be Asian-Hispanic, Black-Hispanic, "White"-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic, etc. Some "white Hispanics" are actually real white people, born in a Hispanic country. However we all know most "white" Hispanics are really Mestizos, and in a sane world would be classified "Amerindian-Hispanics". Regardless, so-called "white" Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US.

    Anyhow, for me a good proxy of overall offender rates is to look at the MURDER VICTIMIZATION RATE. DOJ has statistics on victim-offender relations, and 90-98% of the time, if they know the victim-offender relation, the victim and offender are in the same racial and ethnic group. I think we can extrapolate and say that, the vast majority of the time, murder victims are probably murdered by members of their own racial/ethnic group. This makes sense in numerous ways (you are more likely to know others of your own racial/ethnic group, more likely to live in neighborhoods with similar racial/ethnic demographics as yourself, etc.)

    Also you cannot "fake" murder victims, the way liberals might say that "drug arrests" are "faked" with "planted evidence." Dead bodies are dead bodies.

    If we presume that murder victims are therefore a good proxy for murder OFFENDERS, than we can find that....

    Hispanics murder about 4-5 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Blacks murder about 10 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Asians murder about the same as whites (in the USA).

    If we then assume that overall crime rates (rape, burglary, arson, etc.) probably correlate well to the murder rate.........

    This is not rocket science. This is not fancy statistics. This is pretty easy stuff.

    I actually downloaded and tabulated murder victimization rates for all UCC municipalities (with over 10,000 population) in the US and just plotted "percent black population" vs "murder rate", "percent Hispanic population" vs "murder rate", etc.

    As you can well imagine, in all cases there is a high correlation between percentage of NAM (non-Asian minority) population and violent crime. I did not do any math. Just plot a graph and LOOK AT IT.

    Income factors but does not does not even really seem to factor much. There are many majority poor white towns with almost no murder or violent crime, and a fair number of majority poor and middle class white towns that approach (but do not exceed) the AVERAGE black murder rate.

    There are, of course, several Hispanic towns with almost no murder or violent crime. There are also a few black towns in the US that seem to have fairly low violent crime rates. Most seem to be suburban or semi-suburban neighborhoods of major cities (e.g., Southfield, MI).

    But overall the trend is what your average "racist" would have guessed.

    Arrest rates may be what they are. But as long as there are disproportionate rates of criminality amongst racial/ethnic groups, there will always be disproportionate arrest rates as well. This seems like it would be accepted as a consequence of arithmetic but such is the world we live in.

    That is actually a great way to try to determine Hispanic murder rates.

    If that is correct, it blows wide open the theory that Hispanic crime rates is on par with whites which has been theorized by a few people.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    If you want to know about Hispanic homicide rates in Chicago go to:

    homicides.redeyechicago.com

    It'll give you an idea, it's run by one of the major papers here. However, bizarrely, a major newspaper doesn't know that there's such a category as Hispanic; they're all listed as being white. Just note the names to make that determination.
  45. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wilkey
    "At least 1,581 other police departments across the USA arrest black people at rates even more skewed than in Ferguson, a USA TODAY analysis of arrest records shows. That includes departments in cities as large and diverse as Chicago..."

    Barack Obama and Eric Holder should stop by the Chicago mayor's office and introduce themselves, maybe have a little chat, or issue some subpoenas.

    Berkeley and Madison are exactly what I predicted - SWPL towns with even higher disparities in arrest rates than Ferguson. The local police should stop arresting blacks there. I'm sure the leftist college students wouldn't mind a bit.

    Madison was in the news in the past few days. All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed “teen” 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder’s agitation working…

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed “teen” 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder’s agitation working…

    There are 17,000 blacks in Madison, not 3 blacks.
    , @Absolom Humblebug
    Yes, but the media didn't report all the white kids who assaulted police or shot each other and raped black women. Media bias exemplified. They also didn't mention how local black discontent is mainly due to Walker's gutting of collective bargaining of public sector workers and his war on women.
    , @Big Bill
    Madison has been getting a double-dose of diversity in the last few years.

    In 2009, Tyrone Adair executed two of his white baby-mamas and their two half-black children five years ago. Then (thankfully) he killed himself. He was sick of paying child support.

    In 2014, Londrell Emone Johnson recently stabbed to death a 57-year-old white neighbor woman and her 24 year old white daughter. Making too much noise, I guess.

    Also in 2014, six blacks (men and women) invaded the home of a blind man and his six-months-pregnant wife, three men raping her. It was a classic case of "home invasion gone wrong". They intended to invade/rob/rape someone else but broke into the wrong house. Sadly, they did not kill themselves like Tyrone did, so Wisconsinites are going to have to keep all six in prison for many, many years.

    Ironically enough, the mother of Tyrone, the baby-mama killer, was an honored Madison Mulatto SJW who was active in resettling Hurricane Katrina blacks in Madison. And that, my friends is a SJW gift that keeps giving -- generation after generation.

    It could also explain the racial disparity in arrest: if your blacks are recent ghetto imports, you have to expect a much greater arrest rate.

  46. HOMINY POLICE DEPARTMENT
    2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS

    38.3
    BLACK RATE
    59.2
    NON-BLACK RATE

    As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 2,584 people,

    The racial makeup of the city was 64.28% White, 1.90% African American, 25.31% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.31% from other races, and 8.05% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.25% of the population.

    I suppose they had 2 black arrests.

    However, there is also a prison … “Dick Conner Correctional Center is an Oklahoma Department of Corrections state prison for men located north of the town of Hominy in Osage County, Oklahoma. The medium-security facility opened in 1979 with an original design capacity of 400, and is named for former Oklahoma State Penitentiary warden and Osage County sheriff R.B. “Dick” Conner. [1]

    Conner was the site of a significant prison riot on August 29, 1983. ”

    The prison isn’t in the town proper. It was a hell of a prison riot.

    A delay in an inmate count developed into a shift in the evening food service schedule, which in turn developed into food shortages. As inmates became more angry and belligerent they defied an attempt to lock down the facility, then four to five hundred prisoners started breaking windows, throwing rocks, and setting fires. By the time order was restored one inmate was dead from a bullet wound, two correctional officers had been injured, and three million dollars in damage had been done.[2]

    Not bad for a medium security prison.

    The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this.

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    "The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this."

    Another point is that people get cranky when they get hungry. If I was a prison warden, I'd aim for a well-fed overweight inmate population because they'd be less likely to riot.

  47. @FWIW
    HOMINY POLICE DEPARTMENT
    2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS

    38.3
    BLACK RATE
    59.2
    NON-BLACK RATE

    As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 2,584 people,

    The racial makeup of the city was 64.28% White, 1.90% African American, 25.31% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.31% from other races, and 8.05% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.25% of the population.

    I suppose they had 2 black arrests.

    However, there is also a prison ... "Dick Conner Correctional Center is an Oklahoma Department of Corrections state prison for men located north of the town of Hominy in Osage County, Oklahoma. The medium-security facility opened in 1979 with an original design capacity of 400, and is named for former Oklahoma State Penitentiary warden and Osage County sheriff R.B. "Dick" Conner. [1]

    Conner was the site of a significant prison riot on August 29, 1983. "

    The prison isn't in the town proper. It was a hell of a prison riot.

    A delay in an inmate count developed into a shift in the evening food service schedule, which in turn developed into food shortages. As inmates became more angry and belligerent they defied an attempt to lock down the facility, then four to five hundred prisoners started breaking windows, throwing rocks, and setting fires. By the time order was restored one inmate was dead from a bullet wound, two correctional officers had been injured, and three million dollars in damage had been done.[2]

    Not bad for a medium security prison.

    The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this.

    “The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this.”

    Another point is that people get cranky when they get hungry. If I was a prison warden, I’d aim for a well-fed overweight inmate population because they’d be less likely to riot.

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    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    Might explain our nation's high obesity rates.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    If I remember correctly, one of the best behavior modification tools is "The Loaf". So hungry is not so bad.
    , @Ivy
    Your warden policy would just lead to calls from the usual suspects for more funding to solve problems.

    The funding would be a jobs program to provide dietitians, trainers, nurses, doctors, more guards to look after the increased civilian population and, of course, construction at a significant mark-up for new gyms and healthcare facilities.

    See how easy it is to boost the economy!
  48. @Abe Humbles
    I don't get it. Are you trying to imply that black people commit more crime than white people?

    Wow, that would be the most insane lunatic fringe conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard. How could black people even decide to commit more crimes than whites? How can they keep such a vast conspiracy secret? How would it be possible for white people not to notice and start a revolution?

    This is just dumb.

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  49. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    ex-New Yorker, several decades in college towns:

    They definitely believe it. Liberals will go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting that blacks commit crimes more often, that women are biologically different from men and men are naturally better at some things, and so on.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Most people believe the opposite of Occam's Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.
    , @Laguna Beach Fogey
    "men are naturally better at some things"

    Some things?!
    , @David In TN
    The MSM often runs hand-wringing articles with the theme of "young black males are the most frequent murder victims."

    The same articles usually do not tell what group makes up the perpetrators of these particular crimes.
  50. @SFG
    ex-New Yorker, several decades in college towns:

    They definitely believe it. Liberals will go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting that blacks commit crimes more often, that women are biologically different from men and men are naturally better at some things, and so on.

    Most people believe the opposite of Occam’s Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

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    Most people believe the opposite of Occam’s Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.
     
    Daaamn.

    You really are our Mencken.
    , @anon
    Rube Goldberg's Razor? Goldberg's Glue?
    , @The most deplorable one
    So, how simple does a theory have to be before it is simply wrong.

    Compare, say, the simple theory that all humans of all races (which don't exist, but anyway) are genetically the same and have the same propensities for violence and the following theory:

    Some two thousand years ago, starting in the Roman State (Republic and Empire) but continuing via its successors, people in what are now European started executing more and more criminals, especially those prone to violent behavior. Since all behaviors have a genetic component, through the magic of R = H^2 * S, we have reduced the propensity for violence (well, at least interpersonal violence) among most Western European groups and some Eastern European groups.

    It's not as simple as the alternative, and some would say it is very complex, but it seems to me to be a better fit to the data. We could test this theory by finding a European group that has been more or less isolated from the mainstream, like, say, the Chechens and looking at their genetics and propensity for violence.
    , @jimB
    That's how idiots in federal agencies can hide in plain sight.
  51. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/uc-irvine-students-vote-to-remove-american-flag-from-campus-lobby/

    A hispanic student named “Matt Guevara” wants the American flag removed from UC Irvine because it represents “imperialism.”

    As for this article — I wonder if the declining population of blacks in California has something to do with it….

    Compton is 2/3 latino now….there aren’t as many blacks and thus less black crime….

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  52. @Steve Sailer
    Most people believe the opposite of Occam's Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

    Most people believe the opposite of Occam’s Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

    Daaamn.

    You really are our Mencken.

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  53. @The most deplorable one
    I think Holder would like this guy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/us/boston-dean-student-shooting/index.html

    Watch the video. African American.

    I don’t see how “The Onion” can stay ahead of reality at this point .

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  54. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    There are 6 locations in Kentucky with no arrest disparity:

    Berea – Berea College??? 17% black in 4% black town
    Central City – Green River Correctional Complex
    McCreary County – Federal High Security Penitentiary
    Martin County – Federal High Security Penitentiary
    Montgomery County – Regional jail
    West Liberty – Eastern Kentucky Correctional Complex

    2 federal prisons, 2 state prisons, 1 regional jail and a 17% black college in a white town. You can’t make this stuff up!

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  55. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wilkey
    "At least 1,581 other police departments across the USA arrest black people at rates even more skewed than in Ferguson, a USA TODAY analysis of arrest records shows. That includes departments in cities as large and diverse as Chicago..."

    Barack Obama and Eric Holder should stop by the Chicago mayor's office and introduce themselves, maybe have a little chat, or issue some subpoenas.

    Berkeley and Madison are exactly what I predicted - SWPL towns with even higher disparities in arrest rates than Ferguson. The local police should stop arresting blacks there. I'm sure the leftist college students wouldn't mind a bit.

    Berkeley and Madison are exactly what I predicted – SWPL towns with even higher disparities in arrest rates than Ferguson. The local police should stop arresting blacks there. I’m sure the leftist college students wouldn’t mind a bit.

    Not too far from Madison:

    http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/fight-handicapped-parking-injures-71-year-old-article-1.2140116

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  56. @Jonah
    173 seems like a small enough number for someone to get an intern on this: are ALL of them prison towns?

    Let’s crowdsource this. Enter your state abbreviation and get your raw data:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/OK.json

    Don’t worry, I already saved all the data locally. If you want to do it yourself, run this (requires jq):


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done

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    • Replies: @European-American
    Yay data!

    Here's the data in spreadsheet form:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FGYsImuE2YCtlhxHN3mPeRXMapgprrDwdOl2R98tFkM/edit?usp=sharing

    Where we learn that, of the total 3538 localities surveyed, besides the 173 localities where there is "no disparity", i.e., non-blacks are arrested at a higher rate than blacks, 881 more localities show a black arrest rate under twice the non-black arrest rate, 1062 have a black arrest rate between 2 and 3 times the non-black arrest rate, 612 have an up to 4 times higher arrest rate, 325 up to 5 times, and 485 have an arrest rate 5 times higher or more.

    0+ 173
    1+ 881
    2+ 1062
    3+ 612
    4+ 325
    5+ 485

    total 3538

    Note about what's missing from the data (probably doesn't change much statistically):


    The review did not include thousands of smaller departments or agencies that serve areas with only a small black population. It also did not include police agencies in most parts of Alabama, Florida and Illinois because those states had not reported complete arrest data to the FBI.

     

    , @European-American
    And here's the data in mappable form via Google's nifty fusion tables, with as examples, maps of lowest and highest arrest rate locations, and chart of states sorted by average disproportion of arrest rate:

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    According to that last chart, the three most disproportionate states are Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
  57. @Steve Sailer
    "The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this."

    Another point is that people get cranky when they get hungry. If I was a prison warden, I'd aim for a well-fed overweight inmate population because they'd be less likely to riot.

    Might explain our nation’s high obesity rates.

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  58. @SFG
    ex-New Yorker, several decades in college towns:

    They definitely believe it. Liberals will go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting that blacks commit crimes more often, that women are biologically different from men and men are naturally better at some things, and so on.

    “men are naturally better at some things”

    Some things?!

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  59. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Most people believe the opposite of Occam's Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

    Rube Goldberg’s Razor? Goldberg’s Glue?

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  60. I bet that that crimes committed by prisoners on other prisoners aren’t included. They are certainly not prosecuted in most prisons.

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  61. Yeah, I believe it’s the “white” Hispanic thing. The only town in the Massachusetts fitting the bill is Methuen, hard by the municipal shithole that is Lawrence, which is 73% Hispanic.

    We should call it the George Zimmerman Effect.

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  62. Racial gap in U.S. arrest rates: ‘Staggering disparity’

    What about the Racial gap in U.S. CRIME rates: ‘Staggering disparity’?

    Especially cross racial crime rates. Too staggering to deal with?

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  63. Ok, I just processed the data (what can I say, I’m a software engineer and it’s a Saturday morning). Here’s the step-by-step:


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done

    Now select only the departments with rates <= 1:


    $ find state-data -type f -name '*.json' -exec jq '.[] | select(.arr_rate_disproportion}' {} \; > suspicious-agencies

    Sure enough, there’s 173:

    grep -c name suspicious-agencies // => 173

    I think we should give the following police departments an award. They didn’t arrest a single black person the whole year:

    Chisago County Sheriff’s Office (Minneapolis-St. Paul Suburban County)
    Mission Police Department (Texas Border City)
    Val Verde Sheriff’s Office (Texas Border County)

    The full list is below. I’m sure you all will do some great analysis:

    [MORE]

    “Craighead County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9272705142958305
    “Jackson County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6907709090909091
    “Newport Police Department”, 0.953175591345167
    “Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.5977927584873406
    “Miller County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7188116040387822
    “Mississippi County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.589039300460556
    “Poinsett County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8425952435927039
    “Sebastian County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9917038108075948
    “Union County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6738263558466168
    “Washington County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.917059648426108
    “Winslow Police Department”, 0.41195171807041525
    “Eloy Police Department”, 0.9759342544510387
    “Ione Police Department”, 0.18317496385044416
    “Del Norte County Sheriff’s Office “, 0.21169691168340132
    “Crescent City Police Department”, 0.1804610024122219
    “Coalinga Police Department”, 0.5507097544124112
    “Delano Police Department”, 0.34667518274075654
    “Tehachapi Police Departmnet”, 0.5107746703737452
    “Corcoran Police Department”, 0.567539654505391
    “Avenal Police Department”, 0.09870807158942752
    “Lassen County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.27260205252910014
    “Susanville Police Department”, 0.24811942195699907
    “Madera County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9360124143055929
    “Chowchilla Police Department”, 0.26999732675914095
    “Soledad Police Department”, 0.0741021565581765
    “Norco, Riverside County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.6765268684813656
    “Chino Police Department”, 0.955497955265595
    “Porterville Police Department”, 0.8977007803159363
    “Tuolumne County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.8687788355473565
    “Fremont County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.3600523039644782
    “Morgan County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.2703693891753392
    “Fort Morgan Police Department”, 0.9803141701409406
    “Suffield Police Department”, 0.6425752061568446
    “Yale Police Department”, 0.5933421267204482
    “Bibb County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7353642072898582
    “Villa Rica Police Department”, 0.9616900213681938
    “Port Wentworth Police Department”, 0.9666823836083799
    “Austell Police Department”, 0.8636397182860999
    “City Of Acworth Police Department”, 0.9820500306800074
    “Dooly County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8739436367766246
    “Dougherty County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9345831557460889
    “Dougherty County Police Department”, 0.6487085260871871
    “Locust Grove Police Department”, 0.8094374322928476
    “Jasper County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9519875029672795
    “Mitchell County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7508659520705115
    “Dallas Police Department”, 0.9451280192911103
    “Hiram Police Department”, 0.9975940805302101
    “Ware County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6790596283800083
    “Elmore County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9154787426566807
    “Sullivan County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.5957166711032598
    “McCreary County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6341325114658579
    “Berea Police Department”, 0.8371836262069253
    “Martin County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.0520530523255814
    “Maysville Police Department”, 0.9832583166751764
    “Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.78195079851961
    “West Liberty Police Department”, 0.02099239448637039
    “Central City Police Department”, 0.544344667541116
    “Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8552575036034157
    “Evangeline Parish Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8868692490998591
    “Methuen Police Department”, 0.7811760556971241
    “Ocean Pines Police Department”, 0.34628339362713634
    “Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9543866964077284
    “York County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6916187059497633
    “Benton Harbor Department of Public Safety – Police Division”, 0.9002462605995173
    “Branch County Sheriff’s Office “, 0.757598151183726
    “Chippewa County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7269564632258934
    “Kinross District Police Department”, 0.08373609172402109
    “Gratiot County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.3647587184988545
    “Ionia County Sheriff’s Office “, 0.9525859390750169
    “Ionia Department of Public Safety”, 0.18483161251959565
    “Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.5456217732012705
    “Marquette County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6108658070421519
    “Marquette City Police Department”, 0.7816665134663112
    “Chisago County Sheriff’s Office”, 0
    “Washington County Sheriff’s Office – Narcotics Division”, 0.960790440018558
    “Cape Girardeau County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8889675217995703
    “Cameron Police Department”, 0.17426820966643977
    “DeKalb County Police Department”, 0.4209523108208384
    “Pacific Police Department”, 0.7914381190354337
    “Pike County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8376480401688868
    “Bowling Green Police Department”, 0.9659487531123014
    “Bonne Terre Police Department”, 0.06549879243257749
    “Farmington Police Department”, 0.7612612612612613
    “Hillsdale Police Department”, 0.7780153783156649
    “Jennings Police Department”, 0.9469730723477885
    “Pine Lawn Police Department”, 0.6646506880653222
    “Velda City Police Department”, 0.43455611026698504
    “Texas County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.09437334775294401
    “Licking Police Department”, 0.07718963462971666
    “Washington County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.17198053335045832
    “Jackson County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.8046785290145047
    “Lauderdale County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.6952879392281883
    “Charleston Police Department”, 0.791766702541601
    “Washington County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.8649540361645737
    “Avery County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8629711527709141
    “Tabor City Police Department”, 0.8322687224669604
    “Marion Police Department”, 0.7515638031693078
    “Maxton Police Department”, 0.7886359521340509
    “Red Springs Police Department”, 0.9324566646742378
    “New Hanover Township Police Department”, 0.5039750049483989
    “Guttenberg Police Department”, 0.6269594323833768
    “West New York Police Department “, 0.9487463620567327
    “Eddy County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.8839471214069622
    “Valencia County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.9790694055399939
    “St Lawrence County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7190499729667105
    “Ogdensburg Police Department”, 0.5624296532013318
    “Conneaut Police Department”, 0.9557329857150617
    “Clark County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8926212946032389
    “Clinton County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7947260565286316
    “Lincoln Heights Police Department”, 0.25014180374361883
    “Madison County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6639108831790363
    “Pickaway County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7142208076592494
    “Ross County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.887760916567318
    “Scioto County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.4719611060616228
    “Trumbull County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9630520905362328
    “El Reno Police Department”, 0.9168044233158585
    “Holdenville Police Department”, 0.9097091225186122
    “McCurtain County Sheriff’s Office “, 0.9012999547220171
    “Hominy Police Department”, 0.6477224350787569
    “Coal Township Police Department”, 0.3569129092569242
    “Abbeville County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9456983587096484
    “Bamberg County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.6720110488182038
    “City Of Gaffney Police Department”, 0.8341875108386839
    “Andrews Police Department”, 0.6946349268547543
    “Travelers Rest Police Department”, 0.9836467059231531
    “Pickens County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8994798733604704
    “Wellford Police Department”, 0.4413645178351061
    “Alcoa Police Department “, 0.7943480101608805
    “Coffee County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.8726494216884236
    “Sewanee Police Department”, 0.22518474829129512
    “Hawkins County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.9261179543112162
    “Hickman County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.5597784225120674
    “Morgan County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.3117866004962779
    “Wayne County Sheriffs Office”, 0.2106239072278959
    “Bee County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.37400428560195015
    “Bell County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.41663063696367575
    “Cameron County Sheriff’s Department”, 0.706730960048274
    “Brownsville Police Department “, 0.5390002086323636
    “Rusk Police Department”, 0.8494841842003883
    “Gatesville Police Department”, 0.34848212379374327
    “El Paso County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7592816830388531
    “Frio County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6301142562734876
    “Hale County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9772092410631964
    “Hays County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8855791253135565
    “Kyle Police Department”, 0.9096318798862996
    “City Of Edinburg Police Department”, 0.7275454369097175
    “McAllen Police Department”, 0.9846255098682951
    “Mission Police Department”, 0
    “Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8130775505208941
    “Karnes County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.7680676931613261
    “Lamar County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8900951353584504
    “Lampasas County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6859141199746452
    “Hondo Police Department”, 0.12884943037330893
    “Mineral Wells Police Department “, 0.6419316817636145
    “Pecos County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.3369050304534176
    “Polk County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.835364191623061
    “San Augustine County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9972237029140014
    “Val Verde Sheriff’s Office”, 0
    “Webb County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.5593814682944133
    “Laredo Police Department”, 0.9768670061514019
    “Buchanan County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.04470695449976138
    “Lee County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.22181591979337995
    “Tazewell County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.6188339942128389
    “Wise County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.8250456200092837
    “Big Stone Gap Police Department”, 0.2986290124933193
    “Monroe Police Department”, 0.5777082417067422
    “Adams County Sheriffs Office”, 0.8445888978093158
    “Stanley Police Department”, 0.34426323319027186
    “Waupun Police Department”, 0.30202312138728327
    “Sturtevant Police Department”, 0.777036777036777
    “McDowell County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9317539665290154
    “Mercer County Sheriff’s Department “, 0.7508057931692858
    “Raleigh County Sheriff’s Office”, 0.9729488644932887

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    • Replies: @jimbo
    There are some typos in your second command. It should read:

    find state-data -type f -name '*.json' -exec jq '.[] | select(.arr_rate_disproportion suspicious-agencies

    (Oh, and if you try it on a Mac and it doesn't work: the jq utility is not installed by default. You need to use something like homebrew to get it.)
  64. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    ‘Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the “right kind of people?”’

    They really seem to believe this malarkey with their mouths….. and yet:

    They choose to live in the least Diverse and Vibrant places they can, like Portlandia, for example.

    All their friends and acquaintances exhibit zero percent Diversity and Vibrancy.

    They make sure their children have little to no exposure to Diversity.

    In other words, they say one thing, but live their lives in diametric opposition to their words.

    So……. which do you believe? I mock them without relent, to their faces……. and they seem unaware of it. It’s hilarious.

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    • Replies: @Elites
    Prog/Lib's know Blacks are worse than Whites but it's beside the point. Blacks are the way they are because of your racism. They of course are not racist so they bear no burden to uplift (or live) with troublesome Blacks. That is the job of you racists. If you were not racist then Blacks would be no more criminal than whites, they would all be engineers and doctors! You have earned rape, murder and the knockout game for your racism.
    These people believe themselves to be pure of heart. They really think they are humanly perfect. They are incapable of any introspection that does not reinforce their belief in their holiness. And, of course, they don't care about Blacks or Hispanics. These are used as cudgels to beat you. Realize, you are their goal. The will never quit unless you are dead or just like them. It is unbearable to them that their perfection not be reflected by all whites. It's their Judgment Day!
    They are insane, pure and simple.
  65. Sorry to be off topic, check this out from our old friend Eric Posner. “Genetic distance” from the US determines human rights compliance and economic growth. Of course, he informs us, “genetic distance” has nothing to do with actual genetics!

    Spolaore and Wacziarg use genetic distance as a proxy for remoteness.82 Because populations with more distant common ancestors are geographically more remote from each, genetic distance serves as a proxy for cultural distance. The authors provide evidence that genetic distance from the US population is negatively correlated with economic growth. In related work, Ashraf and Galor show that population diversity itself is related to economic growth. Populations with very high and very low levels of genetic diversity are poorer than populations with midlevel genetic diversity. Ashraf and Galor argue that too much diversity interferes with governance while too little diversity is bad for the economy.83 The wealth of countries today reflects paths of migration thousands of years ago….

    The theory is that natural barriers like mountains and oceans block the transmission of norms.To test this hypothesis, Spolaore and Wacziarg collect data on the genetic difference between populations.133 The easiest way to understand the genetic difference variable is to see it as measuring the extent to which two populations share a common ancestry. Because of genetic drift, people who share recent common ancestors have more similar DNA than people who share only remote common ancestors. Spolaore and Wacziarg do not claim that the genetic difference measures a population’s ability to generate wealth.134 Instead, genetic difference is a proxy for cultural barriers— language, social norms, and so on—which will be greater between groups that split from each other in the remote past than those that split from each other more recently.135

    The authors look at the genetic difference between countries and the United States, and hypothesize that countries with a greater genetic difference from the United States population will have lower per capita income than countries that have smaller genetic differences from the United States. The reason that Spolaore and Wacziarg compare other countries to the United States is because America is the world’s “technological frontier.”136 Using genetic difference variables for the present, for 1500, and for other historical periods, they find that genetic difference is negatively related to per capita income.137 Countries with different populations are less likely to enjoy the benefits of the dissemination of new technologies and innovations than countries with similar populations

    http://ericposner.com/the-influence-of-history-on-human-rights/

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  66. @kikz
    (The FBI tracks arrests by race; it does not track arrests of Hispanics.)

    That's because, they're counted as White/Caucasian.

    They’re hispanic when victimised but white when victimising.

    Didn’t someone on iSteve point out that if hispanic identical twins got in a fight and one killed the other that would add one murderer to the white total and one victim to the hispanic victim numbers with that rara avis a white killer. What’s not to like if one support the narrative?

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  67. “Chino” is a name that just sounds destined for a prison, rather than a municipality.

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  68. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Nathan Wartooth
    That is actually a great way to try to determine Hispanic murder rates.

    If that is correct, it blows wide open the theory that Hispanic crime rates is on par with whites which has been theorized by a few people.

    If you want to know about Hispanic homicide rates in Chicago go to:

    homicides.redeyechicago.com

    It’ll give you an idea, it’s run by one of the major papers here. However, bizarrely, a major newspaper doesn’t know that there’s such a category as Hispanic; they’re all listed as being white. Just note the names to make that determination.

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  69. @asininereality

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.
     
    They do track victimization rates for Hispanics. In the DOJ and other demographic data, "Hispanic" is an "ethnicity". So you can be Asian-Hispanic, Black-Hispanic, "White"-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic, etc. Some "white Hispanics" are actually real white people, born in a Hispanic country. However we all know most "white" Hispanics are really Mestizos, and in a sane world would be classified "Amerindian-Hispanics". Regardless, so-called "white" Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US.

    Anyhow, for me a good proxy of overall offender rates is to look at the MURDER VICTIMIZATION RATE. DOJ has statistics on victim-offender relations, and 90-98% of the time, if they know the victim-offender relation, the victim and offender are in the same racial and ethnic group. I think we can extrapolate and say that, the vast majority of the time, murder victims are probably murdered by members of their own racial/ethnic group. This makes sense in numerous ways (you are more likely to know others of your own racial/ethnic group, more likely to live in neighborhoods with similar racial/ethnic demographics as yourself, etc.)

    Also you cannot "fake" murder victims, the way liberals might say that "drug arrests" are "faked" with "planted evidence." Dead bodies are dead bodies.

    If we presume that murder victims are therefore a good proxy for murder OFFENDERS, than we can find that....

    Hispanics murder about 4-5 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Blacks murder about 10 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Asians murder about the same as whites (in the USA).

    If we then assume that overall crime rates (rape, burglary, arson, etc.) probably correlate well to the murder rate.........

    This is not rocket science. This is not fancy statistics. This is pretty easy stuff.

    I actually downloaded and tabulated murder victimization rates for all UCC municipalities (with over 10,000 population) in the US and just plotted "percent black population" vs "murder rate", "percent Hispanic population" vs "murder rate", etc.

    As you can well imagine, in all cases there is a high correlation between percentage of NAM (non-Asian minority) population and violent crime. I did not do any math. Just plot a graph and LOOK AT IT.

    Income factors but does not does not even really seem to factor much. There are many majority poor white towns with almost no murder or violent crime, and a fair number of majority poor and middle class white towns that approach (but do not exceed) the AVERAGE black murder rate.

    There are, of course, several Hispanic towns with almost no murder or violent crime. There are also a few black towns in the US that seem to have fairly low violent crime rates. Most seem to be suburban or semi-suburban neighborhoods of major cities (e.g., Southfield, MI).

    But overall the trend is what your average "racist" would have guessed.

    Arrest rates may be what they are. But as long as there are disproportionate rates of criminality amongst racial/ethnic groups, there will always be disproportionate arrest rates as well. This seems like it would be accepted as a consequence of arithmetic but such is the world we live in.

    The MSM often runs hand-wringing articles with the theme of “young black males are the most frequent murder victims.”

    The same articles usually do not tell what group makes up the perpetrators of these particular crimes.

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  70. @SFG
    ex-New Yorker, several decades in college towns:

    They definitely believe it. Liberals will go through all sorts of mental contortions to avoid admitting that blacks commit crimes more often, that women are biologically different from men and men are naturally better at some things, and so on.

    The MSM often runs hand-wringing articles with the theme of “young black males are the most frequent murder victims.”

    The same articles usually do not tell what group makes up the perpetrators of these particular crimes.

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  71. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line

    Really, who can say for sure what’s in the minds of people? Many people want to believe it because it simplifies their worldview. Others are in a tricky position where they have to protect their livelihood.

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  72. @donut
    Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don't want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration.

    I agree, although when it is presented like that (by Pew), I pictured a bunch of border jumpers. I knew there had to more to it and there is. According to the Pew report:

    “Immigration includes trafficking in U.S. passports; trafficking in entry documents; failing to surrender naturalization certificate; fraudulently acquiring U.S. passports; smuggling, etc.; being an unlawful alien; fraudulently acquiring entry documents; and unlawfully entering U.S.”

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  73. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr Curious
    If blacks don't want to be arrested at a much higher rate than everyone else, they should stop committing crime at a much higher rate than everyone else.

    No, that’s too complicated a concept. There must be other reasons, preferably ones that pin the blame on whites. ‘Let my people go’ Holder is trying to carve out more territory for black skin privilege so that they have license to do whatever they please. Bottom line, create a privileged caste.

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  74. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @donut
    Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don't want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

    I believe Ron Unz did an article about black male criminality, which showed that Hispanic crime rates were surprisingly low. I think they were lower than white crime rates.

    *****
    Meanwhile, in NYC:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/exclusive-no-link-stop-drop-shooting-rise-nypd-article-1.2140591

    No causal link between shootings and drop in stop and frisk, but there IS a causal link between Colorado and dope and the shootings:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/03/03/nypd-commissioner-blames-marijuana-for-increase-in-shootings/

    It still amazes me, the absolute utter BS that public officials in the US are allowed to get away with.

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  75. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it’s mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other. There’s not a great deal of predatory crime against outsiders.

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    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it’s mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other. There’s not a great deal of predatory crime against outsiders.

    Chandra Levy could not be reached for comment. Ditto the PR office of MS-13.
    , @Lurker
    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it’s mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other

    Does that also mean it's under reported? Not that we would then know of course.
  76. @ Steve Sailer
    concerning the question wether well-fed prisoners are more or less aggressive I would guess there is a Laffer-Curve like mechanism working:
    very overweight prisoners do not riot (because they are to fat and unhealthy) and very underweight prisoners do not riot (because they are to weak, mentally and physical). Somewhere in between is probably maximum for the most aggressive prisoners.

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  77. @Anonymous
    Madison was in the news in the past few days. All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed "teen" 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder's agitation working...

    All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed “teen” 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder’s agitation working…

    There are 17,000 blacks in Madison, not 3 blacks.

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    I foolishly assumed that he was referring to all of those three cited incidents having involved Black miscreants, rather than all of the Blacks in Madison, Wisconsin, having acted badly at roughly the same time. (I guess that I need refunds for my university degrees in English and Law!?!) Thanks for clearing that up!
  78. @asininereality

    The FBI doesn’t track arrests of Hispanics? Well that is a rather huge admission. It is something that people on blogs like this have hinted at for years.
     
    They do track victimization rates for Hispanics. In the DOJ and other demographic data, "Hispanic" is an "ethnicity". So you can be Asian-Hispanic, Black-Hispanic, "White"-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic, etc. Some "white Hispanics" are actually real white people, born in a Hispanic country. However we all know most "white" Hispanics are really Mestizos, and in a sane world would be classified "Amerindian-Hispanics". Regardless, so-called "white" Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US.

    Anyhow, for me a good proxy of overall offender rates is to look at the MURDER VICTIMIZATION RATE. DOJ has statistics on victim-offender relations, and 90-98% of the time, if they know the victim-offender relation, the victim and offender are in the same racial and ethnic group. I think we can extrapolate and say that, the vast majority of the time, murder victims are probably murdered by members of their own racial/ethnic group. This makes sense in numerous ways (you are more likely to know others of your own racial/ethnic group, more likely to live in neighborhoods with similar racial/ethnic demographics as yourself, etc.)

    Also you cannot "fake" murder victims, the way liberals might say that "drug arrests" are "faked" with "planted evidence." Dead bodies are dead bodies.

    If we presume that murder victims are therefore a good proxy for murder OFFENDERS, than we can find that....

    Hispanics murder about 4-5 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Blacks murder about 10 times more often than whites (in the USA).
    Asians murder about the same as whites (in the USA).

    If we then assume that overall crime rates (rape, burglary, arson, etc.) probably correlate well to the murder rate.........

    This is not rocket science. This is not fancy statistics. This is pretty easy stuff.

    I actually downloaded and tabulated murder victimization rates for all UCC municipalities (with over 10,000 population) in the US and just plotted "percent black population" vs "murder rate", "percent Hispanic population" vs "murder rate", etc.

    As you can well imagine, in all cases there is a high correlation between percentage of NAM (non-Asian minority) population and violent crime. I did not do any math. Just plot a graph and LOOK AT IT.

    Income factors but does not does not even really seem to factor much. There are many majority poor white towns with almost no murder or violent crime, and a fair number of majority poor and middle class white towns that approach (but do not exceed) the AVERAGE black murder rate.

    There are, of course, several Hispanic towns with almost no murder or violent crime. There are also a few black towns in the US that seem to have fairly low violent crime rates. Most seem to be suburban or semi-suburban neighborhoods of major cities (e.g., Southfield, MI).

    But overall the trend is what your average "racist" would have guessed.

    Arrest rates may be what they are. But as long as there are disproportionate rates of criminality amongst racial/ethnic groups, there will always be disproportionate arrest rates as well. This seems like it would be accepted as a consequence of arithmetic but such is the world we live in.

    “Asian” is a very broad category including East Asians, Southeast Asians, Pacific Islanders, Indians, Middle Easterners, etc.. I’m pretty confident that East Asians residing in the US have lower rates of violent criminality than whites.

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  79. @Steve Sailer
    "The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this."

    Another point is that people get cranky when they get hungry. If I was a prison warden, I'd aim for a well-fed overweight inmate population because they'd be less likely to riot.

    If I remember correctly, one of the best behavior modification tools is “The Loaf”. So hungry is not so bad.

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  80. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it. That includes family and friends.

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    "In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it."

    I have an acquaintance of this type. He's a retired college professor. "A party man," he likes to call himself.
    , @carol
    That was me, not that long ago but definitely pre-Steve. I think it was because HBD was just someplace you did not go. E.g., the explanation for the achievement gap is bad teachers and teachers' unions, because that worked for my side, and didn't touch the subject of student quality. (And, I have not been around NAMs in over 30 years since I moved to Whitopia.)

    Now, I'm of the opinion that the unions are a rational PC response to being stuck with these horrible students.

  81. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/03/07/dutch-muslim-students-the-holocaust-is-all-bullcrap/

    Holocaust denial isn’t the core problem. The main problem is the culture of lies, of which HD is a part.
    HD is the result of people who prefer lies or fantasies over truth.
    But the Liberal Establishment has aided and abetted the culture of lies with…

    Haven Monahan
    Hands Up Don’t Shoot
    Iran wants to wipe Israel off map
    Russia invaded Georgia to reconstitute the USSR
    WMD
    Duke Lacrosse
    Rape Culture
    ‘Homophobia’(utterly bogus term’)
    Silence about black 0n white violence in South Africa(though always a big deal if Israeli is killed by Palestinians)
    ‘Youths’ and ‘teens’
    ‘Gay marriage’
    Jews have no special power and it’s 1938 again
    Race is a social construct
    A man with a wig is a ‘woman’
    etc, etc

    When the Establishment encourages the culture of lies, it’s disingenuous to complain about HD. It too is just a part of the culture of lies.

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  82. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    How about Needles, California? It's on the edge of the Mojave desert. Granted, it is a tiny town of only about 4,000. Its black population is roughly 1.6%. Needles was home to Snoopy's brother Spike in Charles M. Shultz's Peanuts strip.

    Needles also supposedly has a sizable date crop or something.

    I think I made it out there once. I was on my way to Las Vegas, but I turned back. I must have been near it; I could feel it.

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  83. Bingo! Chippewa County, on Michigan’s Upper Peninsula (county seat – Sault Ste. Marie) is virtually entirely white with a few Hispanics and Native Americans, except for – the Chippewa Correctional Facility, a medium to high security prison (810 beds) housing inmates mostly from pleasant locations such as Detroit and Flint. Sure enough, the arrest rate for blacks in the county is 15.5, compared to 21.4 for whites. Whoda thunk it, but it makes perfect sense. By contrast, in Detroit, the rate is 52.2 for blacks vs. 24.7 for whites.

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  84. @Steve Sailer
    "The only point is that there are going to be a lot of outliers like this."

    Another point is that people get cranky when they get hungry. If I was a prison warden, I'd aim for a well-fed overweight inmate population because they'd be less likely to riot.

    Your warden policy would just lead to calls from the usual suspects for more funding to solve problems.

    The funding would be a jobs program to provide dietitians, trainers, nurses, doctors, more guards to look after the increased civilian population and, of course, construction at a significant mark-up for new gyms and healthcare facilities.

    See how easy it is to boost the economy!

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  85. @Anonymous
    Madison was in the news in the past few days. All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed "teen" 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder's agitation working...

    Yes, but the media didn’t report all the white kids who assaulted police or shot each other and raped black women. Media bias exemplified. They also didn’t mention how local black discontent is mainly due to Walker’s gutting of collective bargaining of public sector workers and his war on women.

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  86. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Most people believe the opposite of Occam's Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

    So, how simple does a theory have to be before it is simply wrong.

    Compare, say, the simple theory that all humans of all races (which don’t exist, but anyway) are genetically the same and have the same propensities for violence and the following theory:

    Some two thousand years ago, starting in the Roman State (Republic and Empire) but continuing via its successors, people in what are now European started executing more and more criminals, especially those prone to violent behavior. Since all behaviors have a genetic component, through the magic of R = H^2 * S, we have reduced the propensity for violence (well, at least interpersonal violence) among most Western European groups and some Eastern European groups.

    It’s not as simple as the alternative, and some would say it is very complex, but it seems to me to be a better fit to the data. We could test this theory by finding a European group that has been more or less isolated from the mainstream, like, say, the Chechens and looking at their genetics and propensity for violence.

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  87. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “…Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it…”

    My experience has been that many of the smarter ones believe it completely, to the point where they often sound like evangelicals excited to be able to spread the True Belief. But they don’t think about it, it’s just part of their baseline. They don’t question their beliefs and their beliefs don’t result from analytic thought.

    Probably too much TV; too much fiction in general; too much mob/peer crowd madness; too much “jury amplification”, where one naturally and without thought seeks to demonstrate being holier than thou.

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  88. So I guess what we’ve learned is that, while inmates may commit crimes while they’re incarcerated, they don’t get arrested.

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  89. In response to the March 5 article titled “Everyone is Guilty: The Eric Holder Challenge”, I provided a comment (3:56 p.m.) that listed ten people who admitted explicitly or implicitly that their statements about the Ferguson incident were false.

    My list was taken from the Justice Department’s report about the Ferguson incident ….

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=1

    … from the report’s section titled “Witnesses Whose Accounts Do Not Support a Prosecution Due to Materially Inconsistent Prior Statements or Inconsistencies with the Physical and Forensic Evidence”.

    Here in this new comment I will list ten more people from that same section. These ten people did not admit that they provided false statements. However, the Justice Department concluded that their statements were false because they were contradicted by the physical evidence — blood drops and ejected bullet casings. This evidence — along with other eyewitness statements that did fit the physical evidence — proved that Brown charged about 17 yards toward Wilson. The Justice Department dismissed as false all statements involving a claim that Brown fell dead in about the same place where he turned around.

    Witness 101 [Dorian Johnson] is a 22-year-old black male. …. the bullet “definitely struck [Michael Brown] in the back.” …. Brown stopped. Brown put his hands up above his head, in the air, and turned to face Wilson. … Brown then stated, “I don’t have a gun” or “I’m unarmed”. Brown started to say it again, but Wilson while walking toward Brown, fired one volley of at least four shots and Brown fell to his death. … Witness 101 was steadfast that Brown fell to the ground right where he initially stopped and turned around. At most, Brown took a half-step forward, but he did not move toward Wilson.

    Witness 123 is a 29-year-old black male. …. Witness 123 told the county grand jury that he saw Brown turn around and hold his hands up. Wilson shot Brown three times and Brown fell to the ground dead. Contrary to the physical evidence, Witness 123 explained that Brown died where he turned around and did not move toward Wilson.

    Witness 135 is a 20-year-old black female. …. She recalled that as Brown turned around, he put his hand up with his arms, “scrunched up”, pulled tight against his body, palms out at about shoulder height. Accoring to Witness 135, Brown was hunched forward, though he took a few steps backward, and was shot about five times before he fell to his death. According to Witness 135, there was only this one additoinal volley of shots after the initial shot. Brown never moved forward. ….

    Witness 127 [Tiffany Mitchell] is a 27-year-old black female. …. In one quick motion, Brown turned around with his hands up at right angles at his shoulders. Wilson then shot him, and Brown fell to his death where he stood. … Witness 127 was adamant that , contrary to DNA evidence with regard to the blood east of Brown’s body, Brown never moved toward Wilson. She insisted that he fell to his death right where he turned around.

    Witness 118 [Piaget Crenshaw] is a 19-year-old black female. ….. She the looked back toward Brown as he turned around, pout his hands in the air, and got shot two times. Brown fell to the ground face down, with his arms at 90 degree angles on either side of his head, contrary to what the crime scene photos depict …. Witness 118 added … that Wilson shot Brown in the back from three feet away and that Brown never moved back towards Wilson.

    Witness 138 is a 22-year-old black male. …. Brown turned around, “threw his hands up” and said …. “Please don’t shoot.” Brown then fell to his knees, and Wilson shot him again. Witness 138 told federal authorities that Brown fell to the ground in the exact place where he first turned around and did not move toward Wilson. Witness 138 expalined that he … did not know what Brown did for the majority of the shooting because he was face-first in the dirt. He did not look up until Brown was already dead.

    Witness 121 is a 36-year-old black female. …. After Brown took off running, Brown put his hands up, and then Wilson shot him. She further stated that Wilson walked over to Brown and “emptied” his gun into Brown, and that Brown “finally fell” after the last shot. … Brown was walking toward the officer with his hands up in surrender.

    Witness 137 is a 40-year-old black male. ….. The police officer shot Brown in the back. “Realizing he was shot,” Brown turned around with his hands up. Brown walked toward the officer and as he did so, the officer “closed in on him” until they were less than an arm’s length apart. The officer fired “every round” into Brown, killing him “execution” style. …. After Brown fell forward, “the officer stood over him and finished him off.” … Brown fell to his knees for the final shots, and the last words Brown said were “Don’t shoot,” He also stated that Brown was lying on the ground when the final bullets were fired. … Brown walked at a “steady pace” of about ten steps toward him [Wilson].

    Witness 139 is a 50-year-old black female. …… Brown turned around, never moving from where he stood. According to Witness 139, Brown fell to the ground with his hands next to his head at right angles because his hands had been up. Wilson then fired at least three shots as Brown was lying face down on the ground. Witness 139 saw that Brown was bleeding from his back. When asked how she was able to witness the final shots if she had her head down in her arms, Witness 139 explained that she put her head down in her arms after the first two shots, but she could still see because she was peeking.

    Witness 148 is a 26-year-old black female. …. Brown then turned around and put his hands up in right angles at shoulder-height in a sign of surrender. He then droped to his knees, started to say something like “I don’t have a — “, but was cut off as Wilson walked toward Brown firing at least six shots, killing Brown. Witness 148 as initially adamant that …. Brown never moved forward from the spot where he turned around to face Wilson.

    Brown’s 17-yard charge at Wilson — along with Wilson’s retreat from Brown — is illustrated at this webpage ….

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ojeank&s=8#.VPKnJ3zF-aU

    … where the red cones are Brown’s blood drops and the blue cones are Wilson’s ejected bullet cartridges.

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  90. @Steve Sailer
    "I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless."

    I don't think it's meaningless, it's just difficult. You'd need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

    You’d need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

    You could make the assumption that if 25% take the SAT/ACT, that’s the 25% on the far right of the bell curve, and the same if it is 40%. But we know that’s not true: URMs are more likely to take the test at any given IQ score. High income and private school kids are also more likely to take the test at any given IQ, so even adjusting by race this isn’t true.

    The bigger problem is “the culture of test prep” isn’t just an asian thing. In the hickville where I grew up and took the SAT, I took it completely cold. I did not prep for it for even one minute. I don’t think the few people from my high school who took it with me did either. Our scores just can’t be compared to those of the white kids in New England and California who had extensive prep and better schooling the whole time. I took it in the late 90′s, so this isn’t ancient history.

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    Thank you. I also took my SAT's (40+ years ago) and GRE's (35+ years ago) completely cold and did not study. For one thing, I only took the tests because I had to. Second, I didn't want to take the tests. Third, what's the point in studying for a generalized test that's supposed to tell you something that you really ought to know about yourself?

    For the SAT I remember it started at 9 AM (or something) so I got very little sleep before, because I was afraid I would oversleep. So I kept dozing off between tests. For the GRE it was in the afternoon so I made some tuna fish sandwiches before because I heard it was brain food. Figured it wouldn't hurt.

    As for my scores, who remembers things like that? I know I was able to go to college where I wanted to go and when graduate school rolled around I had a number of options.

    This ties in to the general conversation about test scores, IQ, and genius that gets more and more rarified. Basically, intellectually inclined people who are more likely to make interesting, important, or valuable discoveries and/or develop interesting, important or valuable explanations or theories are people who live life in a certain way. They don't study for it, and they don't have to go to the "best schools." They are simply people who spend all of their available time -- for their entire lives -- pursuing their intellectual interests and once in awhile they find something that is useful to the society at large.

    Can anyone live that kind of life? Probably not, because most people would consider that an incredibly unfulfilling and boring life. But if you study the lives of the people who make these discoveries, they come from a larger group of people who enjoy that kind of life. Prerequisites appear to include high intelligence, and devotion to a particular sphere of study. And they are perfectly happy to spend their lives working that patch of ground. But they have a certain kind of mind and that's why they do what they do. It isn't something you teach. It isn't something you learn. It isn't something you prepare for a test. It's just there, or it isn't.

  91. Comparing the black arrest rate to precinct demographics is pointless. Criminals go where the victims are. It’s a waste robbing your poor neighbors in the hood unless they deal drugs or fence stolen property — think of those crimes as business to business transactions. But dealers and fences probably own a bigger gun than you have. Better to go to nearby white and Asian neighborhoods to do smash and grab. Or undocumented shopping or dating.

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    Comparing the black arrest rate to precinct demographics is pointless. Criminals go where the victims are.
     
    Good point. We need two different measures, analogous to GNP vs GDP in economics.
  92. @donut
    Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don't want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

    The one-for-one Hispanic-African American swap isn’t available at this location, but there’s something better: we’ll give you two Hispanics for every African American *and* you can keep the negro! This deal is available at all locations. In fact, it’s not really a deal: it’s mandatory.

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  93. @Steve Sailer
    "I agree that varying participation rates makes any state comparison of SAT and ACT scores meaningless."

    I don't think it's meaningless, it's just difficult. You'd need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

    A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.

    Get your son or some other college student or employee you know to set up a proxy connection between his college library site and your home PC.

    I do this to get access to gated articles, works like a charm. It takes 5 minutes to figure out with step by step instructions on the library website.

    Here’s an interesting ETS article that isn’t gated with some great data tables:

    http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED496620.pdf

    One brakes down verbal scores by race and native/non-native.

    Immigrant v native hispanics are 1% and 5% in the top two reading score categories. For Asians, the numbers are 7% and 22%, for whites 11% and 17%.

    Table A11 shows college graduates v IQ decile. 0.0% of whites with bottom 10% IQs have 4+ years of post-secondary education v. 0.8% of hispanics and 2.6% of blacks.

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  94. @Steve Sailer
    Most people believe the opposite of Occam's Razor: that the more complicated theory you hold, the smarter you are.

    That’s how idiots in federal agencies can hide in plain sight.

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    Could be. Golf was a sport for older Americans than younger Americans. Why do young people not like motorcycles. Maybe, the rise of electric bikes will bring back interest in motorcycles. Tiger grew up in Orange County where Asians have always out numbered blacks even in the old days it was 1.5 percent Asian mainly Japanese and about .9 percent black. Today its 18 to 19 percent Asian and 2.1 percent black. Tiger has a lot of Asian.
  96. @countenance
    I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people

    2. Places with exceedingly few black people

    3. State prison towns

    This is what I found glancing around the map, too. Looking at NJ (where I grew up), SC (where my wife is from), and GA (where we live now), the few places with under-disparities are Hispanic slums, white redneckvilles, almost-all-black rural slums, and maybe an odd Atlanta suburb.

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    In NJ, there are three. One is North Hanover, which is about 80% Ft Dix Correctional Institute. The other two are part of Havana on the Hudson (Gutenberg and West New York), hardly slums but certainly working class Hispanic.
  97. @prosa123
    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it's mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other. There's not a great deal of predatory crime against outsiders.

    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it’s mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other. There’s not a great deal of predatory crime against outsiders.

    Chandra Levy could not be reached for comment. Ditto the PR office of MS-13.

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  98. Priss Factor [AKA "PC is a social construct"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
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    Ashkenazi Jews are descended from only 350 people?

    They probably decided to build out the tribe just so their kids could take in a decent haul from the bar mitzvahs.
  99. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve,

    Donut deserves a gold star!!!

    He does, but I deserve a silver star, or at least a sticker or something, for predicting that places with near parity in black vs white crime would have a lot of Hispanics who would be counted as white in the crime stats. And the places Steve mentions are all heavily Hispanic, Delano overwhelmingly so.

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  100. @countenance
    I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people

    2. Places with exceedingly few black people

    3. State prison towns

    I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people [...]

    A similar effect may be seen in high school graduation rates. The NAEP folks had researchers do a study/special report of 23 urban high school districts five or ten years ago. They reported that in the Detroit public schools, the white male graduation rate is smaller than the black male graduation rate.

    The tiny fraction of white kids left in the Detroit public school system just “ack black” and have assimilated with the Ghetto Borg.

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    Are these white Detroit HS students white or "white?" As in Arab masquerading as white?
  101. The stats from self-righteous lefty college towns are real hardy-har-har. The black arrest rate in Madison, WI is 593.1/1k(!), almost 10x the non-black rate. Berkeley, CA is also 10-to-1. Ann Arbor, MI, 10-to-1. Princeton, NJ, 9-to-1. Cambridge, Mass is “only” 6-to-1. Charlottesville, VA, 4.5-to-1 (black rate 398/1k, though). Oberlin, OH, 3.5-to-1.

    But give it up for the Yale PD (distinct, apparently, from New Haven): blacks, 1.7, non-blacks, 2.9. Principles lived by! (I guess those Yalies are waiting to rob and pillage legally, on Wall Street and in Washington.)

    How on earth is the black arrest rate in Detroit only 52/1k? Good heavens, the police department must be frighteningly undermanned.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    "Undermanned" or "lazy". I am not sure which.

    Here is Charlie LeDuff illustrating the problem on the Evening News:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1KmTAY67zA

    Enjoy!
  102. Site suggestion for Ron:

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.

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    +1
    , @Ron Unz

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.
     
    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for "International Jew" and others... Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that's been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.
  103. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
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    Debunked by Anatoly Karlin:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/is-russian-opposition-jewish/
    , @Ivy
    Reminiscent coincidentally of Stalin's team.

    Names and initials change, such as early incarnation Cheka, then Uncle Joe's NKVD, then Leonid's KGB and now Vlad's FSB.
  104. @WowJustWow
    Christ, now Holder is talking about disbanding the entire Ferguson PD.

    The message to police departments across the country is clear now. Don't let white officers deal with black perps.

    It doesn't matter if a white officer saved a black baby's life just before a black man attacked him.

    Even if you're in New York, it's not enough to have a black police commander instruct the police force to target a cigarette peddler and have black officers supervise his arrest.

    If there's even the slightest chance of something going wrong, there's only one option: black cops need to be out in front, in harm's way. Even that might be too risky -- better to only send black cops out on patrol, and keep the white ones back at the station doing paperwork.

    The only way not to be racist toward black citizens is to be racist toward black cops.

    The message to police departments across the country is clear now. Don’t let white officers deal with black perps.

    What I’m getting is: Don’t deal with black crime.

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  105. OT

    Bush offers strenuous defense of immigration stance in Iowa

    That would be Jeb Bush, who supposedly said this:

    “Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legal status,” Bush said. “Nobody I know has a plan to deal with illegal immigration other than to just say they’re going to be rounded up and taken away.”

    Ponder that last sentence. Taken literally, Bush said that among people whom he knows that have a plan to “deal with illegal immigration”, all of them have the same plan: to ’round them up and take them away’.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say we ought to ’round them up and take them away’.

    One thing about nearly all politicians: when they speak off the cuff, they reveal how stupid and empty they are.

    How bizarre is this guy? Don’t answer that — it’s another rhetorical question.

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    “Nobody I know has a plan to deal with illegal immigration other than..." Ponder that last sentence.
     
    Politician as empty suit:
    1. Erect straw man.
    2. Attribute "extremist" plan.
    3. Set straw man on fire.
    4. Voila! Declare victory.
    , @S. Verdad

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say we ought to ’round them up and take them away’.
     
    You may never have heard it, but Congress said it pretty clearly when they passed the IIRIRA in 1996.
  106. @Anonymous
    Madison was in the news in the past few days. All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed "teen" 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder's agitation working...

    Madison has been getting a double-dose of diversity in the last few years.

    In 2009, Tyrone Adair executed two of his white baby-mamas and their two half-black children five years ago. Then (thankfully) he killed himself. He was sick of paying child support.

    In 2014, Londrell Emone Johnson recently stabbed to death a 57-year-old white neighbor woman and her 24 year old white daughter. Making too much noise, I guess.

    Also in 2014, six blacks (men and women) invaded the home of a blind man and his six-months-pregnant wife, three men raping her. It was a classic case of “home invasion gone wrong”. They intended to invade/rob/rape someone else but broke into the wrong house. Sadly, they did not kill themselves like Tyrone did, so Wisconsinites are going to have to keep all six in prison for many, many years.

    Ironically enough, the mother of Tyrone, the baby-mama killer, was an honored Madison Mulatto SJW who was active in resettling Hurricane Katrina blacks in Madison. And that, my friends is a SJW gift that keeps giving — generation after generation.

    It could also explain the racial disparity in arrest: if your blacks are recent ghetto imports, you have to expect a much greater arrest rate.

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  107. @Noah172
    The stats from self-righteous lefty college towns are real hardy-har-har. The black arrest rate in Madison, WI is 593.1/1k(!), almost 10x the non-black rate. Berkeley, CA is also 10-to-1. Ann Arbor, MI, 10-to-1. Princeton, NJ, 9-to-1. Cambridge, Mass is "only" 6-to-1. Charlottesville, VA, 4.5-to-1 (black rate 398/1k, though). Oberlin, OH, 3.5-to-1.

    But give it up for the Yale PD (distinct, apparently, from New Haven): blacks, 1.7, non-blacks, 2.9. Principles lived by! (I guess those Yalies are waiting to rob and pillage legally, on Wall Street and in Washington.)

    How on earth is the black arrest rate in Detroit only 52/1k? Good heavens, the police department must be frighteningly undermanned.

    “Undermanned” or “lazy”. I am not sure which.

    Here is Charlie LeDuff illustrating the problem on the Evening News:

    Enjoy!

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  108. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    How about Elmira, New York? A prison town in a very white part of the state.

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    New York State could be problematic. Auburn, NY--site of a maximum security state prison--has turned into a black ghetto, as inmate families moved to Auburn from metro NYC, as the train/bus trip for weekend visits is rather lengthy--and welfare benefits, etc. upstate are the same as downstate, while cost of living is quite less.
  109. @jimB
    Comparing the black arrest rate to precinct demographics is pointless. Criminals go where the victims are. It's a waste robbing your poor neighbors in the hood unless they deal drugs or fence stolen property -- think of those crimes as business to business transactions. But dealers and fences probably own a bigger gun than you have. Better to go to nearby white and Asian neighborhoods to do smash and grab. Or undocumented shopping or dating.

    Comparing the black arrest rate to precinct demographics is pointless. Criminals go where the victims are.

    Good point. We need two different measures, analogous to GNP vs GDP in economics.

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  110. @Lot
    Site suggestion for Ron:

    The "replies" feature does not show up on the "commenter archive" page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.

    +1

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  111. @Mack
    What's stunning is that Holder seems to believe his own falsifiable nonsense about Ferguson being a racist cesspool. How can the AG of the USA -even an arrogant and resentful hack like Holder- be ignorant of the racial aspect of basic crime statistics? This guy is polished, but dumb.

    This guy is polished, but dumb.

    Hmm… it reminds me of someone else in this administration. I just can’t put my finger on him.

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  112. TNC comes in with his latest thoughts on the most important town in America:

    It is a wonder they did not hand out bonuses. Perhaps they did. The bonus of being white in Ferguson meant nigh-immunity from plunder. The bane of being black in Ferguson meant nigh-inevitable subjugation under plunder. Plunder is neither abstract nor theoretical. Plunder injures, maims, and destroys. Indeed the very same people who were calling on protestors to remain nonviolent were, every hour, partner to brutality committed under the color of law:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/#disqus_thread

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  113. Well, lots of places with low black populations. Arizona two major metro areas are about 6 percent black now for Phoenix and Tucson about 5 percent since in the past year blacks native and foreign have grown in Arizona by leaps and bounds. Brownsville Texas is interesting since its about 95 to 98 percent Latino. Orange County California is only 2.1 percent black another interesting reserach area.

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  114. @Anon
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/05/why-america-fell-out-of-love-with-golf/

    Tiger Woods bust?

    Like Cosby.

    Could be. Golf was a sport for older Americans than younger Americans. Why do young people not like motorcycles. Maybe, the rise of electric bikes will bring back interest in motorcycles. Tiger grew up in Orange County where Asians have always out numbered blacks even in the old days it was 1.5 percent Asian mainly Japanese and about .9 percent black. Today its 18 to 19 percent Asian and 2.1 percent black. Tiger has a lot of Asian.

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  115. @donut
    Here are two articles on Hispanic arrest rates :

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/unz-on-hispanic-crime-a-postscript/

    As the Pew article makes clear the majority of Hispanics in Federal prisons are there for illegal immigration . This kind of skews the numbers on Hispanic criminality . Although note that even with this issue thrown in the Negros are holding their own as you would expect .
    In state prisons the numbers are much different . The AC article suggests that whites and Hispanics have about the same crime rates . I don't want any of them here but if we could swap out one Negro for every illegal that crosses the border we would be vastly better off .

    Good point, that why I prefer Anaheim or Tucson Arizona over Houston and Dallas. Republicans including Steve love Texas but Texas has a lot of Latinos and many of them illegal plus Blacks but say this to a conservative Republican and they will tell you how great Texas is. Houston and Dallas are over 40 percent Latino and over 20 percent Black and have higher crime rates than Anaheim and possibly Tucson.

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    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation . One thing though , the people I worked with warned me against going to see any sights near the border as they felt it was dangerous . I was only there temporarily so I took their advice .
    Another thing unrelated to this discussion , the husband of one of the nurses had committed suicide by driving his car off of the road going up to Mt. Lemon , The wreck was still down there and the municipality told her that as it was too expensive to move it and she would have to pay herself . Consequently it didn't get moved and she was understandably reluctant to take her children up there as the wreck was easily visible from the road .

    BTW is Steve a Republican ? I'm disappointed , I had such hopes for us .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0oVG9bLHP0
  116. @eah
    OT

    Bush offers strenuous defense of immigration stance in Iowa

    That would be Jeb Bush, who supposedly said this:

    “Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legal status,” Bush said. “Nobody I know has a plan to deal with illegal immigration other than to just say they’re going to be rounded up and taken away.”

    Ponder that last sentence. Taken literally, Bush said that among people whom he knows that have a plan to "deal with illegal immigration", all of them have the same plan: to 'round them up and take them away'.

    I don't think I've ever heard anyone say we ought to 'round them up and take them away'.

    One thing about nearly all politicians: when they speak off the cuff, they reveal how stupid and empty they are.

    How bizarre is this guy? Don't answer that -- it's another rhetorical question.

    “Nobody I know has a plan to deal with illegal immigration other than…” Ponder that last sentence.

    Politician as empty suit:
    1. Erect straw man.
    2. Attribute “extremist” plan.
    3. Set straw man on fire.
    4. Voila! Declare victory.

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  117. @The most deplorable one
    Has the DoJ looked into the lack of diversity among the Russian Opposition?

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/03/nearly-all-the-leaders-of-the-liberal-opposition-in-russia-are-either-fully-jewish-or-have-jewish-background/
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  118. @The most deplorable one
    Has the DoJ looked into the lack of diversity among the Russian Opposition?

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/03/nearly-all-the-leaders-of-the-liberal-opposition-in-russia-are-either-fully-jewish-or-have-jewish-background/

    Reminiscent coincidentally of Stalin’s team.

    Names and initials change, such as early incarnation Cheka, then Uncle Joe’s NKVD, then Leonid’s KGB and now Vlad’s FSB.

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  119. It would be nice to know the race of the arresting officer so we could see the rates which they arrest the various races.

    I don’t suppose it would matter though if black officers arrested blacks at the same rate that whites do since their concern is inter-racial, specifically white on black, not intra-racial.

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  120. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.

    Then, see how these areas vote. Very liberal. Why? Because they are voting as feminists, gays, lesbians, status-marking Eloi whites, etc. who have highly specialized desires that conflict with traditional values or sometimes even sanity.

    They play a cat and mouse game. In order to achieve their various desired results they must position themselves as being tolerant. In reality they are super conscious of black crime, low intelligence and violence. They make gestures of solidarity with blacks like the Yale grad who spends a year in Teach for America. It boosts his resume for law school. The fact that Teach for America or the hundreds of other programs and the billions of dollars spent over decades don’t work means nothing to them.

    They have created a closed loop system which rewards those who believe in nothing but have a strong will to power.

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    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.
     
    Maybe it has gone out of currency, but "sketchy" used to be the euphemismitic adjective to describe neighborhoods and such that possessed qualities not aligned with SWPL revealed preferences.
  121. @Priss Factor
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-study-finds/

    Ashkenazi Jews are descended from only 350 people?

    They probably decided to build out the tribe just so their kids could take in a decent haul from the bar mitzvahs.

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  122. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
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    Re: "Planet Fitness cancels woman's membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room":

    If a transgender woman is pre-op and identifies as a lesbian, is it acceptable if she gets an erection while using the women's locker room? Compared to the questions puzzling America in the age of WWT, the questions puzzling medieval theologians were a piece of cake.
    , @eah
    Not sure in what sense you are using Schadenfreude here...

    But anyway, how about the dumb schmucks who get jail time for installing hidden cameras in eg women's toilets and changing rooms? When all they had to do was get a membership in the nearest Planet Fitness and say they wanted to use the women's locker/shower room because they 'identified as female'. Dopes.
  123. @Lot

    You’d need a model. It would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty useful to have this information since they are high stakes tests. Perhaps somebody has done the work already? A lot of ETS studies are online although not in a really friendly fashion.
     
    You could make the assumption that if 25% take the SAT/ACT, that's the 25% on the far right of the bell curve, and the same if it is 40%. But we know that's not true: URMs are more likely to take the test at any given IQ score. High income and private school kids are also more likely to take the test at any given IQ, so even adjusting by race this isn't true.

    The bigger problem is "the culture of test prep" isn't just an asian thing. In the hickville where I grew up and took the SAT, I took it completely cold. I did not prep for it for even one minute. I don't think the few people from my high school who took it with me did either. Our scores just can't be compared to those of the white kids in New England and California who had extensive prep and better schooling the whole time. I took it in the late 90's, so this isn't ancient history.

    Thank you. I also took my SAT’s (40+ years ago) and GRE’s (35+ years ago) completely cold and did not study. For one thing, I only took the tests because I had to. Second, I didn’t want to take the tests. Third, what’s the point in studying for a generalized test that’s supposed to tell you something that you really ought to know about yourself?

    For the SAT I remember it started at 9 AM (or something) so I got very little sleep before, because I was afraid I would oversleep. So I kept dozing off between tests. For the GRE it was in the afternoon so I made some tuna fish sandwiches before because I heard it was brain food. Figured it wouldn’t hurt.

    As for my scores, who remembers things like that? I know I was able to go to college where I wanted to go and when graduate school rolled around I had a number of options.

    This ties in to the general conversation about test scores, IQ, and genius that gets more and more rarified. Basically, intellectually inclined people who are more likely to make interesting, important, or valuable discoveries and/or develop interesting, important or valuable explanations or theories are people who live life in a certain way. They don’t study for it, and they don’t have to go to the “best schools.” They are simply people who spend all of their available time — for their entire lives — pursuing their intellectual interests and once in awhile they find something that is useful to the society at large.

    Can anyone live that kind of life? Probably not, because most people would consider that an incredibly unfulfilling and boring life. But if you study the lives of the people who make these discoveries, they come from a larger group of people who enjoy that kind of life. Prerequisites appear to include high intelligence, and devotion to a particular sphere of study. And they are perfectly happy to spend their lives working that patch of ground. But they have a certain kind of mind and that’s why they do what they do. It isn’t something you teach. It isn’t something you learn. It isn’t something you prepare for a test. It’s just there, or it isn’t.

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  124. All you need to do to figure out what’s happening here is to listen to the popular music from the last 25-30 years.

    You’ll get to hear intelligent, capable, and ambitious black men such as 50 Cent, Tupac, and Ice Cube sing about the thug life, the hoes, killing cops, and other joys. And you’ll get to hear Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Eminem, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Arcade Fire, and other fine bands sing about extreme emotional turmoil imbued with generous doses of self-loathing.

    There is such a thing as culture, and it does have consequences.

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  125. @cynthia curran
    Good point, that why I prefer Anaheim or Tucson Arizona over Houston and Dallas. Republicans including Steve love Texas but Texas has a lot of Latinos and many of them illegal plus Blacks but say this to a conservative Republican and they will tell you how great Texas is. Houston and Dallas are over 40 percent Latino and over 20 percent Black and have higher crime rates than Anaheim and possibly Tucson.

    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation . One thing though , the people I worked with warned me against going to see any sights near the border as they felt it was dangerous . I was only there temporarily so I took their advice .
    Another thing unrelated to this discussion , the husband of one of the nurses had committed suicide by driving his car off of the road going up to Mt. Lemon , The wreck was still down there and the municipality told her that as it was too expensive to move it and she would have to pay herself . Consequently it didn’t get moved and she was understandably reluctant to take her children up there as the wreck was easily visible from the road .

    BTW is Steve a Republican ? I’m disappointed , I had such hopes for us .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0oVG9bLHP0

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    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation.
     
    You shouldn't be, for two reasons. First, when the Colorado River was getting divvied up, Nevada got screwed in favor of Arizona and California. It gets more than its share.

    Second, Arizona still has a ton of very wasteful high-water agriculture, which uses more than half of the state's water allocation. If there is a real shortage in the future, the state's extremely urban/suburban population will figure out a way to shut down the ag use.
  126. @ic1000
    In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it. That includes family and friends.

    “In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it.”

    I have an acquaintance of this type. He’s a retired college professor. “A party man,” he likes to call himself.

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  127. @donut
    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation . One thing though , the people I worked with warned me against going to see any sights near the border as they felt it was dangerous . I was only there temporarily so I took their advice .
    Another thing unrelated to this discussion , the husband of one of the nurses had committed suicide by driving his car off of the road going up to Mt. Lemon , The wreck was still down there and the municipality told her that as it was too expensive to move it and she would have to pay herself . Consequently it didn't get moved and she was understandably reluctant to take her children up there as the wreck was easily visible from the road .

    BTW is Steve a Republican ? I'm disappointed , I had such hopes for us .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0oVG9bLHP0

    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation.

    You shouldn’t be, for two reasons. First, when the Colorado River was getting divvied up, Nevada got screwed in favor of Arizona and California. It gets more than its share.

    Second, Arizona still has a ton of very wasteful high-water agriculture, which uses more than half of the state’s water allocation. If there is a real shortage in the future, the state’s extremely urban/suburban population will figure out a way to shut down the ag use.

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    , the state’s extremely urban/suburban population will figure out a way to shut down the ag use.
     
    And then what will happen to the state's economy?

    Given the power of the ag lobby, how will they do this?
  128. As I stated in my above comment (5:44 p.m.), I now have listed 20 people who made false statements about the Ferguson incident. Ten of those people admitted explicitly or implicitly that their statements were false. The other ten’s statements were categorized as false by the Justice Department because the statements involved a claim that Brown fell dead in about the same place where he turned around. The Justice Department dismissed all such claims as false, because physical evidence proved that Brown ran about 17 yards toward Wilson before he fell dead.

    The Justice Department’s report about the Ferguson incident ….

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=2

    … included a section titled “Witnesses Materially Consistent with Prior Statements, Physical Evidence and Other Witnesses Who Corroborate That Wilson Acted in Self-Defense”. This section listed seven witnesses whose statements fit the physical evidence of Brown’s 17-yard charge at Wilson.

    Witness 102 is a 27-year-old bi-racial male. …. Witness 102 explained that it made no sense to him why Brown turned around. Brown did not get on the ground or put his hands up in surrender. In fact, Witness 102 told investigators that he knew “for sure that [Brown's] hands were not above his head.” Rather, Brown made some type of movement similar to pulling his pants up or a shoulder shrug, and then “charged ” at Wilson. It was only then that Wilson fired five or six shots at Brown. Brown paused and appeared to flinch, and Wilson stopped firing. However, Brown charged at Wilson again, and again Wilson fired about three or four rounds until Brown finally collapsed on the ground. Witness 102 was in disbelief that Wilson seemingly kept missing because Brown kept advancing forward. Witness 102 described Brown as a “threat,” moving at a “full charge”. Witness 102 stated that Wilson only fired shots when Brown as coming at Wilson.

    Witness 103 is a 58-year-old black male. ….. Brown turned around to face Wilson. Brown’s hands were then down at his sides. Witness 103 did not see Brown’s hands up. Wanting to leave, Witness 103 began to turn his car around …. when he heard additional shots. Witness 103 turned to his right and saw Brown “moving fast” toward Wilson. Witness 103 then drove away.

    Witness 104 is a 26-year-old bi-racial female. …. Brown then turned around and “for a second” began to raise his hands as though he may have considered surrendering, but then quickly “balled up his fists” in a running position and “charged” at Wilson. Witness 104 described it as a “tackle run,” explaining that Brown “wasn’t going to stop.” Wilson fired his gun only as Brown charged at him, backing up as Brown came toward him. Witness 104 explained that there were three separate volleys of shots. Each time, Brown ran toward Wilson, Wilson fired, Brown paused, Wilson stopped firing, and then Brown charged again. The pattern continued until Brown fell to the ground ….. Wilson did not fire while Brown momentarily had his hands up. Witness 104 explained that it took some time for Wilson to fire, adding that she “would have fired sooner.”

    Witness 105 is a black female. …. Witness 105 explained that Brown put his hands up “for a brief moment,” and then turned around and made a shuffling movement. Wilson told Brown to “get down,” but Brown did not comply. Instead, Brown put his hands down “in a running position.” Witness 105 could not tell whether Brown was “charging” at Wilson or whether his plan was to run past Wilson, but either way, Brown was running toward Wilson. According to Witness 105, Wilson only shot at Brown when Brown was moving toward him.

    Witness 108 is a 74-year-old black …. The police officer was “in the right” and “did what he had to do,” and …. he “would have fucking shot that boy too.” Wilson told Brown to “stop” or “get down” at least ten times, but instead Brown “charged” at Wilson.

    Witness 109 is a 53-year-old black male. …. Brown ran away from Wilson but then kept coming toward Wilson. Wilson told Brown to stop and lie down, but Brown failed to comply. …. Wilson did not shoot to kill at first, but “he unloaded on him when [Brown] wouldn’t stop.”

    Witness 113 is a 31-year-old black female. ….. She saw Brown running toward Wilson, prompting Wilson to yell, “Freeze.” Brown failed to stop, and Wilson began shooting Brown.

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  129. Of course, another thing you see on the map is how badly Anglo=Celtic type white people behave relative to other European ethnic groups. Whats the HBD take on that? They (actually, we) do seem not to have fully advanced from the not too distant aboriginal past.

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  130. @Big Bill

    I checked out the map in and around St. Louis and eastern Missouri in general, and almost all of the departments and places where there was an under-disparity were:

    1. Places with exceedingly few white people [...]

     

    A similar effect may be seen in high school graduation rates. The NAEP folks had researchers do a study/special report of 23 urban high school districts five or ten years ago. They reported that in the Detroit public schools, the white male graduation rate is smaller than the black male graduation rate.

    The tiny fraction of white kids left in the Detroit public school system just "ack black" and have assimilated with the Ghetto Borg.

    Are these white Detroit HS students white or “white?” As in Arab masquerading as white?

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  131. @David R. Merridale
    The one-for-one Hispanic-African American swap isn't available at this location, but there's something better: we'll give you two Hispanics for every African American *and* you can keep the negro! This deal is available at all locations. In fact, it's not really a deal: it's mandatory.

    Sold !

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  132. Arrest rates are particularly lopsided in some pockets of the country, including St. Louis’ Missouri suburbs near Ferguson. In St. Louis County alone, more than two dozen police departments had arrest rates more lopsided than Ferguson’s. In nearby Clayton, Mo., for example, only about 8% of residents are black, compared with about 57% of people the police arrested, according to the city’s FBI reports. Clayton’s police chief, Kevin Murphy, said in a prepared statement that “Ferguson has laid bare the fact that everyone in law enforcement needs to take a hard look at how we can better serve our communities and address any disparities that have existed in our departments for too long.”

    Clayton is only 8% black if county jail inmates (the county seat is Clayton) are counted as Clayton residents on census day. Otherwise, it’s probably no more than 1% black.

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  133. @Ezra
    Of course, another thing you see on the map is how badly Anglo=Celtic type white people behave relative to other European ethnic groups. Whats the HBD take on that? They (actually, we) do seem not to have fully advanced from the not too distant aboriginal past.

    Scots-Irish orneriness.

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    • Replies: @donut
    I mentioned Kit Carson , a Scots-Irish , before , he was an exceptional man in every way . I might have been a bit inebriated at the time but all the same he represents the very best that our race or any race has to offer . If you have the time you should read a book of his life . He deserves to be remembered and honored .
  134. @Steve Sailer
    Scots-Irish orneriness.

    I mentioned Kit Carson , a Scots-Irish , before , he was an exceptional man in every way . I might have been a bit inebriated at the time but all the same he represents the very best that our race or any race has to offer . If you have the time you should read a book of his life . He deserves to be remembered and honored .

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  135. @Art Deco
    All blacks behaving badly: gang-related shooting in the biggest shopping mall, shooting homicide in the area not far from it and, finally, an unarmed “teen” 19 years old killed after an assault on policeman. Holder’s agitation working…

    There are 17,000 blacks in Madison, not 3 blacks.

    I foolishly assumed that he was referring to all of those three cited incidents having involved Black miscreants, rather than all of the Blacks in Madison, Wisconsin, having acted badly at roughly the same time. (I guess that I need refunds for my university degrees in English and Law!?!) Thanks for clearing that up!

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  136. I got a winner!

    Soledad, CA
    black arrest rate: 3.1/1000
    nonblack arrest rate: 41.2/1000

    Another prison town, of course.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    After spending way too much time fiddling with those maps, I see that the highest black arrest rates are in the nice suburbs of heavily black cities. Emeryville, CA (next to Oakland), at 700+/1000 might take the cake. Grosse Pointe, MI (next to Detroit) and Hobart, IN (sorta near Gary) also impressive.

    All, net crime importers.
  137. @George S
    Ok, I just processed the data (what can I say, I'm a software engineer and it's a Saturday morning). Here's the step-by-step:


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done


    Now select only the departments with rates <= 1:


    $ find state-data -type f -name '*.json' -exec jq '.[] | select(.arr_rate_disproportion}' {} \; > suspicious-agencies


    Sure enough, there's 173:

    grep -c name suspicious-agencies // => 173


    I think we should give the following police departments an award. They didn't arrest a single black person the whole year:

    Chisago County Sheriff's Office (Minneapolis-St. Paul Suburban County)
    Mission Police Department (Texas Border City)
    Val Verde Sheriff's Office (Texas Border County)


    The full list is below. I'm sure you all will do some great analysis:



    "Craighead County Sheriff's Office", 0.9272705142958305
    "Jackson County Sheriff's Office", 0.6907709090909091
    "Newport Police Department", 0.953175591345167
    "Jefferson County Sheriff's Office", 0.5977927584873406
    "Miller County Sheriff's Office", 0.7188116040387822
    "Mississippi County Sheriff's Office", 0.589039300460556
    "Poinsett County Sheriff's Office", 0.8425952435927039
    "Sebastian County Sheriff's Office", 0.9917038108075948
    "Union County Sheriff's Office", 0.6738263558466168
    "Washington County Sheriff's Office", 0.917059648426108
    "Winslow Police Department", 0.41195171807041525
    "Eloy Police Department", 0.9759342544510387
    "Ione Police Department", 0.18317496385044416
    "Del Norte County Sheriff's Office ", 0.21169691168340132
    "Crescent City Police Department", 0.1804610024122219
    "Coalinga Police Department", 0.5507097544124112
    "Delano Police Department", 0.34667518274075654
    "Tehachapi Police Departmnet", 0.5107746703737452
    "Corcoran Police Department", 0.567539654505391
    "Avenal Police Department", 0.09870807158942752
    "Lassen County Sheriff's Office", 0.27260205252910014
    "Susanville Police Department", 0.24811942195699907
    "Madera County Sheriff's Office", 0.9360124143055929
    "Chowchilla Police Department", 0.26999732675914095
    "Soledad Police Department", 0.0741021565581765
    "Norco, Riverside County Sheriff's Department", 0.6765268684813656
    "Chino Police Department", 0.955497955265595
    "Porterville Police Department", 0.8977007803159363
    "Tuolumne County Sheriff's Department", 0.8687788355473565
    "Fremont County Sheriff's Office", 0.3600523039644782
    "Morgan County Sheriff's Office", 0.2703693891753392
    "Fort Morgan Police Department", 0.9803141701409406
    "Suffield Police Department", 0.6425752061568446
    "Yale Police Department", 0.5933421267204482
    "Bibb County Sheriff's Office", 0.7353642072898582
    "Villa Rica Police Department", 0.9616900213681938
    "Port Wentworth Police Department", 0.9666823836083799
    "Austell Police Department", 0.8636397182860999
    "City Of Acworth Police Department", 0.9820500306800074
    "Dooly County Sheriff's Office", 0.8739436367766246
    "Dougherty County Sheriff's Office", 0.9345831557460889
    "Dougherty County Police Department", 0.6487085260871871
    "Locust Grove Police Department", 0.8094374322928476
    "Jasper County Sheriff's Office", 0.9519875029672795
    "Mitchell County Sheriff's Office", 0.7508659520705115
    "Dallas Police Department", 0.9451280192911103
    "Hiram Police Department", 0.9975940805302101
    "Ware County Sheriff's Office", 0.6790596283800083
    "Elmore County Sheriff's Office", 0.9154787426566807
    "Sullivan County Sheriff's Office", 0.5957166711032598
    "McCreary County Sheriff's Office", 0.6341325114658579
    "Berea Police Department", 0.8371836262069253
    "Martin County Sheriff's Office", 0.0520530523255814
    "Maysville Police Department", 0.9832583166751764
    "Montgomery County Sheriff's Office", 0.78195079851961
    "West Liberty Police Department", 0.02099239448637039
    "Central City Police Department", 0.544344667541116
    "Caddo Parish Sheriff's Office", 0.8552575036034157
    "Evangeline Parish Sheriff's Office", 0.8868692490998591
    "Methuen Police Department", 0.7811760556971241
    "Ocean Pines Police Department", 0.34628339362713634
    "Cumberland County Sheriff's Office", 0.9543866964077284
    "York County Sheriff's Office", 0.6916187059497633
    "Benton Harbor Department of Public Safety - Police Division", 0.9002462605995173
    "Branch County Sheriff's Office ", 0.757598151183726
    "Chippewa County Sheriff's Office", 0.7269564632258934
    "Kinross District Police Department", 0.08373609172402109
    "Gratiot County Sheriff's Office", 0.3647587184988545
    "Ionia County Sheriff's Office ", 0.9525859390750169
    "Ionia Department of Public Safety", 0.18483161251959565
    "Lapeer County Sheriff's Office", 0.5456217732012705
    "Marquette County Sheriff's Office", 0.6108658070421519
    "Marquette City Police Department", 0.7816665134663112
    "Chisago County Sheriff's Office", 0
    "Washington County Sheriff's Office - Narcotics Division", 0.960790440018558
    "Cape Girardeau County Sheriff's Office", 0.8889675217995703
    "Cameron Police Department", 0.17426820966643977
    "DeKalb County Police Department", 0.4209523108208384
    "Pacific Police Department", 0.7914381190354337
    "Pike County Sheriff's Office", 0.8376480401688868
    "Bowling Green Police Department", 0.9659487531123014
    "Bonne Terre Police Department", 0.06549879243257749
    "Farmington Police Department", 0.7612612612612613
    "Hillsdale Police Department", 0.7780153783156649
    "Jennings Police Department", 0.9469730723477885
    "Pine Lawn Police Department", 0.6646506880653222
    "Velda City Police Department", 0.43455611026698504
    "Texas County Sheriff's Office", 0.09437334775294401
    "Licking Police Department", 0.07718963462971666
    "Washington County Sheriff's Office", 0.17198053335045832
    "Jackson County Sheriff's Department", 0.8046785290145047
    "Lauderdale County Sheriff's Department", 0.6952879392281883
    "Charleston Police Department", 0.791766702541601
    "Washington County Sheriff's Department", 0.8649540361645737
    "Avery County Sheriff's Office", 0.8629711527709141
    "Tabor City Police Department", 0.8322687224669604
    "Marion Police Department", 0.7515638031693078
    "Maxton Police Department", 0.7886359521340509
    "Red Springs Police Department", 0.9324566646742378
    "New Hanover Township Police Department", 0.5039750049483989
    "Guttenberg Police Department", 0.6269594323833768
    "West New York Police Department ", 0.9487463620567327
    "Eddy County Sheriff's Department", 0.8839471214069622
    "Valencia County Sheriff's Department", 0.9790694055399939
    "St Lawrence County Sheriff's Office", 0.7190499729667105
    "Ogdensburg Police Department", 0.5624296532013318
    "Conneaut Police Department", 0.9557329857150617
    "Clark County Sheriff's Office", 0.8926212946032389
    "Clinton County Sheriff's Office", 0.7947260565286316
    "Lincoln Heights Police Department", 0.25014180374361883
    "Madison County Sheriff's Office", 0.6639108831790363
    "Pickaway County Sheriff's Office", 0.7142208076592494
    "Ross County Sheriff's Office", 0.887760916567318
    "Scioto County Sheriff's Office", 0.4719611060616228
    "Trumbull County Sheriff's Office", 0.9630520905362328
    "El Reno Police Department", 0.9168044233158585
    "Holdenville Police Department", 0.9097091225186122
    "McCurtain County Sheriff's Office ", 0.9012999547220171
    "Hominy Police Department", 0.6477224350787569
    "Coal Township Police Department", 0.3569129092569242
    "Abbeville County Sheriff's Office", 0.9456983587096484
    "Bamberg County Sheriff's Department", 0.6720110488182038
    "City Of Gaffney Police Department", 0.8341875108386839
    "Andrews Police Department", 0.6946349268547543
    "Travelers Rest Police Department", 0.9836467059231531
    "Pickens County Sheriff's Office", 0.8994798733604704
    "Wellford Police Department", 0.4413645178351061
    "Alcoa Police Department ", 0.7943480101608805
    "Coffee County Sheriff's Department", 0.8726494216884236
    "Sewanee Police Department", 0.22518474829129512
    "Hawkins County Sheriff's Department", 0.9261179543112162
    "Hickman County Sheriff's Office", 0.5597784225120674
    "Morgan County Sheriff's Department", 0.3117866004962779
    "Wayne County Sheriffs Office", 0.2106239072278959
    "Bee County Sheriff's Office", 0.37400428560195015
    "Bell County Sheriff's Office", 0.41663063696367575
    "Cameron County Sheriff's Department", 0.706730960048274
    "Brownsville Police Department ", 0.5390002086323636
    "Rusk Police Department", 0.8494841842003883
    "Gatesville Police Department", 0.34848212379374327
    "El Paso County Sheriff's Office", 0.7592816830388531
    "Frio County Sheriff's Office", 0.6301142562734876
    "Hale County Sheriff's Office", 0.9772092410631964
    "Hays County Sheriff's Office", 0.8855791253135565
    "Kyle Police Department", 0.9096318798862996
    "City Of Edinburg Police Department", 0.7275454369097175
    "McAllen Police Department", 0.9846255098682951
    "Mission Police Department", 0
    "Jefferson County Sheriff's Office", 0.8130775505208941
    "Karnes County Sheriff's Office", 0.7680676931613261
    "Lamar County Sheriff's Office", 0.8900951353584504
    "Lampasas County Sheriff's Office", 0.6859141199746452
    "Hondo Police Department", 0.12884943037330893
    "Mineral Wells Police Department ", 0.6419316817636145
    "Pecos County Sheriff's Office", 0.3369050304534176
    "Polk County Sheriff's Office", 0.835364191623061
    "San Augustine County Sheriff's Office", 0.9972237029140014
    "Val Verde Sheriff's Office", 0
    "Webb County Sheriff's Office", 0.5593814682944133
    "Laredo Police Department", 0.9768670061514019
    "Buchanan County Sheriff's Office", 0.04470695449976138
    "Lee County Sheriff's Office", 0.22181591979337995
    "Tazewell County Sheriff's Office", 0.6188339942128389
    "Wise County Sheriff's Office", 0.8250456200092837
    "Big Stone Gap Police Department", 0.2986290124933193
    "Monroe Police Department", 0.5777082417067422
    "Adams County Sheriffs Office", 0.8445888978093158
    "Stanley Police Department", 0.34426323319027186
    "Waupun Police Department", 0.30202312138728327
    "Sturtevant Police Department", 0.777036777036777
    "McDowell County Sheriff's Office", 0.9317539665290154
    "Mercer County Sheriff's Department ", 0.7508057931692858
    "Raleigh County Sheriff's Office", 0.9729488644932887

    There are some typos in your second command. It should read:

    find state-data -type f -name ‘*.json’ -exec jq ‘.[] | select(.arr_rate_disproportion suspicious-agencies

    (Oh, and if you try it on a Mac and it doesn’t work: the jq utility is not installed by default. You need to use something like homebrew to get it.)

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    Hmmm. It looks like the comment software here mangles the command. (It deletes some of the characters.) Ok, I guess you guys will need to figure it out on your own like I did...
  138. @jimbo
    There are some typos in your second command. It should read:

    find state-data -type f -name '*.json' -exec jq '.[] | select(.arr_rate_disproportion suspicious-agencies

    (Oh, and if you try it on a Mac and it doesn't work: the jq utility is not installed by default. You need to use something like homebrew to get it.)

    Hmmm. It looks like the comment software here mangles the command. (It deletes some of the characters.) Ok, I guess you guys will need to figure it out on your own like I did…

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  139. @International Jew
    I got a winner!

    Soledad, CA
    black arrest rate: 3.1/1000
    nonblack arrest rate: 41.2/1000

    Another prison town, of course.

    After spending way too much time fiddling with those maps, I see that the highest black arrest rates are in the nice suburbs of heavily black cities. Emeryville, CA (next to Oakland), at 700+/1000 might take the cake. Grosse Pointe, MI (next to Detroit) and Hobart, IN (sorta near Gary) also impressive.

    All, net crime importers.

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    • Replies: @Noah172
    Check out the suburbs of Milwaukee. Some towns have black arrest rates of >1000/1000 (Wauwatosa, 1363/1000, is the highest I saw).

    Also, Congressman Ryan's hometown of Janesville has a black arrest rate of ~1170/1000. And we heard he'd be the next Jack Kemp, bringing blacks into the GOP!
    , @D. K.
    Hobart is contiguous to my birthplace of Gary, on its southeast side. My eldest sister, her youngest child, her eldest child, the latter's three daughters, and my only surviving maternal aunt (along with a former one, by marriage) all live there. My sister married a Hobart resident, back in 1972, and has been living there ever since. I go there fairly often for family reunions and, in recent years, funerals. (My aged mother was living there, for several years, with my sister's family, when my mother died, as were two of her now-deceased sisters.) I even lived there myself, for several months, about a dozen years ago.

    The City of Hobart has changed markedly over the decades, and especially over recent years. Much of it has to do with Section 8 housing, I am told, with many former residents of nearby Chicago finding the Region, as Northwest Indiana is known, preferable to their old haunts, across the state line. Of course, since Gary itself has seen a remarkable population decline of about 100,000, since its peak in the early 1960s, when I was a young boy, a large number of native and otherwise former Garyites have moved to Hobart and its surrounding cities and towns, like Merrillville, where Coach Popovich, of the San Antonio Spurs, is from, and where the Catholic high school that many of my older siblings and cousins attended, Andrean, is located. The shopping mall, there, has become a perennial crime scene, in recent years.

    It is a lot like spilling red wine on the center of a white napkin, and then watching the stain spread out....
  140. @ic1000
    In my experience, people who claim they adhere to the Obama-Holder view of crime, really do believe it. That includes family and friends.

    That was me, not that long ago but definitely pre-Steve. I think it was because HBD was just someplace you did not go. E.g., the explanation for the achievement gap is bad teachers and teachers’ unions, because that worked for my side, and didn’t touch the subject of student quality. (And, I have not been around NAMs in over 30 years since I moved to Whitopia.)

    Now, I’m of the opinion that the unions are a rational PC response to being stuck with these horrible students.

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  141. @IA
    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.

    Then, see how these areas vote. Very liberal. Why? Because they are voting as feminists, gays, lesbians, status-marking Eloi whites, etc. who have highly specialized desires that conflict with traditional values or sometimes even sanity.

    They play a cat and mouse game. In order to achieve their various desired results they must position themselves as being tolerant. In reality they are super conscious of black crime, low intelligence and violence. They make gestures of solidarity with blacks like the Yale grad who spends a year in Teach for America. It boosts his resume for law school. The fact that Teach for America or the hundreds of other programs and the billions of dollars spent over decades don't work means nothing to them.

    They have created a closed loop system which rewards those who believe in nothing but have a strong will to power.

    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.

    Maybe it has gone out of currency, but “sketchy” used to be the euphemismitic adjective to describe neighborhoods and such that possessed qualities not aligned with SWPL revealed preferences.

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  142. @International Jew
    After spending way too much time fiddling with those maps, I see that the highest black arrest rates are in the nice suburbs of heavily black cities. Emeryville, CA (next to Oakland), at 700+/1000 might take the cake. Grosse Pointe, MI (next to Detroit) and Hobart, IN (sorta near Gary) also impressive.

    All, net crime importers.

    Check out the suburbs of Milwaukee. Some towns have black arrest rates of >1000/1000 (Wauwatosa, 1363/1000, is the highest I saw).

    Also, Congressman Ryan’s hometown of Janesville has a black arrest rate of ~1170/1000. And we heard he’d be the next Jack Kemp, bringing blacks into the GOP!

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  143. @International Jew
    After spending way too much time fiddling with those maps, I see that the highest black arrest rates are in the nice suburbs of heavily black cities. Emeryville, CA (next to Oakland), at 700+/1000 might take the cake. Grosse Pointe, MI (next to Detroit) and Hobart, IN (sorta near Gary) also impressive.

    All, net crime importers.

    Hobart is contiguous to my birthplace of Gary, on its southeast side. My eldest sister, her youngest child, her eldest child, the latter’s three daughters, and my only surviving maternal aunt (along with a former one, by marriage) all live there. My sister married a Hobart resident, back in 1972, and has been living there ever since. I go there fairly often for family reunions and, in recent years, funerals. (My aged mother was living there, for several years, with my sister’s family, when my mother died, as were two of her now-deceased sisters.) I even lived there myself, for several months, about a dozen years ago.

    The City of Hobart has changed markedly over the decades, and especially over recent years. Much of it has to do with Section 8 housing, I am told, with many former residents of nearby Chicago finding the Region, as Northwest Indiana is known, preferable to their old haunts, across the state line. Of course, since Gary itself has seen a remarkable population decline of about 100,000, since its peak in the early 1960s, when I was a young boy, a large number of native and otherwise former Garyites have moved to Hobart and its surrounding cities and towns, like Merrillville, where Coach Popovich, of the San Antonio Spurs, is from, and where the Catholic high school that many of my older siblings and cousins attended, Andrean, is located. The shopping mall, there, has become a perennial crime scene, in recent years.

    It is a lot like spilling red wine on the center of a white napkin, and then watching the stain spread out….

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  144. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A question for those of you who live in areas where you have to interact with the progressive morons who refuse to acknowledge the reality that negroes are less intelligent and more prone to violence and crime than whites. (I live in rural Oklahoma where people still believe what they see and experience rather than what the progressive masters of the media and academia demand.)

    Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the "right kind of people?"

    During the next ‘interaction’, try working this in somehow: Liberia has been an independent nation since around the time California became a state, and Whites are not allowed to be citizens of Liberia (look it up). The implication being that Liberia ought to be a good case for what Blacks can achieve on their own, ie without “institutional racism” and the malevolence of Whites to hold them back (but that can remain unsaid) . Then mention the first sentence in the CIA World Factbook’s description of the Liberian economy:

    Liberia is a low income country that relies heavily on foreign assistance.

    Report back on how that goes.

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  145. @Lot
    Site suggestion for Ron:

    The "replies" feature does not show up on the "commenter archive" page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.

    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for “International Jew” and others… Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that’s been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.

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    Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings,
     
    I did, and that's what I was referring to in my reply to donut.

    such as the big Race/Crime article that’s been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.
     
    ouch. I could have mentioned that....

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender.
     
    In fact don't all the graphs show Hispanic crime rates dropping and white crime rates increasing?

    (Not to mention, the Hispanic health paradox. But that's another story. I think.)
    , @unit472
    Ron Unz wrote:
    "As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender..."

    That is interesting, though the caveat "of the same age and gender" is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male. I am concerned that what might have been traditional Hispanic behavior and culture is rapidly deteriorating as a result of Hispanics and blacks often sharing the same public schools and neighborhoods. Northern Virginia, e.g., has a real problem with Hispanic gangs like MS13 and I have heard the same about Chicago and other cities too. Blacks, when they have close contact with other ethnic groups, seem to cause a lot of negative cultural contamination rather than the liberals hoped for positive effect of exposing blacks to white or even Hispanic culture. For whatever reason, Asians, while not completely immune to this social 'entropy' seem to be most resistant to it.
    , @vinteuil
    "As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose."

    No, Mr. Unz - no.

    (1) Your method of adjusting for age was hopelessly flawed, producing numbers that were pretty much meaningless.

    (2) You came up with some heavily Hispanic cities with relatively low crime rates, but provided no information on the comparative Anglo/Hispanic crime rates *within those cities*, which is what you needed, at the very minimum, to support your case.

    , @MarkinLA
    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender.

    The idea of adjusting crime rates for age is meaningless when the criminal activities between whites and Hispanics are so different. Hispanic crime is very oriented towards gangs. These people are not likely to just grow out of minor criminal activity.

    As an example on the LA county murder blog we had a typical gang related murder in Whittier California about 6 months ago. Two gang members approached a Hispanic taking out the garbage and wanted to know what gang he was in. When he responded he wasn't in one they shot him anyway. The perps were 25 and 30. Hardly a case of juvenile delinquents no longer stealing hubcaps.
  146. @Ex Submarine Officer

    Go to City-Data.com. Search any gentrifying city which has large numbers of college-educated whites moving into formerly black areas. Check the discussion or forum boards. The first two questions the movers ask: 1) where are the safest neighborhoods and b.) which are the best schools.
     
    Maybe it has gone out of currency, but "sketchy" used to be the euphemismitic adjective to describe neighborhoods and such that possessed qualities not aligned with SWPL revealed preferences.

    I think “seedy” has also gone out of currency.

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  147. @dumpstersquirrel
    'Do the morons who spout this nonsense really believe it or do they just stick to the party line in order to protect their reputations with the “right kind of people?”'

    They really seem to believe this malarkey with their mouths..... and yet:

    They choose to live in the least Diverse and Vibrant places they can, like Portlandia, for example.

    All their friends and acquaintances exhibit zero percent Diversity and Vibrancy.

    They make sure their children have little to no exposure to Diversity.

    In other words, they say one thing, but live their lives in diametric opposition to their words.

    So....... which do you believe? I mock them without relent, to their faces....... and they seem unaware of it. It's hilarious.

    Prog/Lib’s know Blacks are worse than Whites but it’s beside the point. Blacks are the way they are because of your racism. They of course are not racist so they bear no burden to uplift (or live) with troublesome Blacks. That is the job of you racists. If you were not racist then Blacks would be no more criminal than whites, they would all be engineers and doctors! You have earned rape, murder and the knockout game for your racism.
    These people believe themselves to be pure of heart. They really think they are humanly perfect. They are incapable of any introspection that does not reinforce their belief in their holiness. And, of course, they don’t care about Blacks or Hispanics. These are used as cudgels to beat you. Realize, you are their goal. The will never quit unless you are dead or just like them. It is unbearable to them that their perfection not be reflected by all whites. It’s their Judgment Day!
    They are insane, pure and simple.

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    they would all be engineers and doctors!
     
    I thought they all were judging by television commercials, shows, movies, etc. It must be true, it's on television.
  148. Hey Gents:

    A continuation to Steve’s last NYT-Ferguson monopoly story; here’s Amren.com’s 3/6/15 roster of articles:

    March 6, 2015
    DOJ Uses Faulty Calculation in Ferguson Report, Special to AR News
    88 Comments

    Can’t do fourth-grade math.
    Obama: Type of Racial Discrimination in Ferguson Police Department Not Isolated, CBS DC
    50 Comments

    Civil right is “an unfinished project.”
    Ferguson Report Puts ‘Hands Up’ to Reality Test, New York Times
    28 Comments

    Eric Holder proves he has a sense of humor.
    Darren Wilson: Free At Last!, VDARE
    36 Comments

    But Holder says protests of police “racism” were justified anyway.
    Michael Brown’s Parents Will File Suit over Fatal Police Shooting, Attorneys Say, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
    55 Comments

    They’ll sue both Officer Wilson and the Ferguson PD.
    Three St. Louis Police Officers Removed from Duty amid Allegations of Criminal Conduct, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
    24 Comments

    They may have helped drug dealers.

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    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Troof:

    The events that attracted The Eye of Sauron to Ferguson were of no great interest, in themselves. Pretty routine, really.

    But the NYT's focus on those events? Now *that's* interesting.

    So what's puzzling you?
  149. Anonymous says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I have civil rights fatigue waiting on White America to mature and evolve on Race. Centuries of slavery, discrimation , disparate treatment and of late lethal Negrophobia .

    The DOJ findings in Ferguson simply document and affirm the underdevelopment and inability of White America to evolve on the reality of RACE.

    The DOJ report affirms the cultural pathology of White racism and how it operates in a democracy .

    Greg Thrasher
    Director
    Plane Ideas
    Washington DV

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    Plane Ideas

    Perhaps you ought to invest in a dictionary, then look into the difference between 'plane' and 'plain'. And decide which word you really want. Because honestly it isn't altogether clear.

    , @Forbes
    Hahahahaha! Oh my stars and garters. That's hilarious.
  150. @eah
    OT

    Bush offers strenuous defense of immigration stance in Iowa

    That would be Jeb Bush, who supposedly said this:

    “Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legal status,” Bush said. “Nobody I know has a plan to deal with illegal immigration other than to just say they’re going to be rounded up and taken away.”

    Ponder that last sentence. Taken literally, Bush said that among people whom he knows that have a plan to "deal with illegal immigration", all of them have the same plan: to 'round them up and take them away'.

    I don't think I've ever heard anyone say we ought to 'round them up and take them away'.

    One thing about nearly all politicians: when they speak off the cuff, they reveal how stupid and empty they are.

    How bizarre is this guy? Don't answer that -- it's another rhetorical question.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say we ought to ’round them up and take them away’.

    You may never have heard it, but Congress said it pretty clearly when they passed the IIRIRA in 1996.

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  151. @The most deplorable one
    The schadenfreude is wonderful:

    http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/03/transgender_members_welcome_in.html

    Re: “Planet Fitness cancels woman’s membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room”:

    If a transgender woman is pre-op and identifies as a lesbian, is it acceptable if she gets an erection while using the women’s locker room? Compared to the questions puzzling America in the age of WWT, the questions puzzling medieval theologians were a piece of cake.

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    • Replies: @e
    How is that any different than a man in her locker room?

    She should take them to court and force the court to define "male" and "female," to define "genitals," and to compare and contrast a penis and a vagina.

    You can see where this is going. In schools, in gyms, in public facilities everywhere....a rapist enters the women's bathroom dressed in women's garb as a transgender and he rapes a woman while the court stands by.
    , @ben tillman

    Re: “Planet Fitness cancels woman’s membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room”:
     
    http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/03/transgender_members_welcome_in.html

    The comments are about 19:1 against the woman whose privacy has been so outrageously violated. It is absolutely shocking.
  152. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Elites
    Prog/Lib's know Blacks are worse than Whites but it's beside the point. Blacks are the way they are because of your racism. They of course are not racist so they bear no burden to uplift (or live) with troublesome Blacks. That is the job of you racists. If you were not racist then Blacks would be no more criminal than whites, they would all be engineers and doctors! You have earned rape, murder and the knockout game for your racism.
    These people believe themselves to be pure of heart. They really think they are humanly perfect. They are incapable of any introspection that does not reinforce their belief in their holiness. And, of course, they don't care about Blacks or Hispanics. These are used as cudgels to beat you. Realize, you are their goal. The will never quit unless you are dead or just like them. It is unbearable to them that their perfection not be reflected by all whites. It's their Judgment Day!
    They are insane, pure and simple.

    they would all be engineers and doctors!

    I thought they all were judging by television commercials, shows, movies, etc. It must be true, it’s on television.

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  153. My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    It’s Unz’s Constant.

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  154. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Another unarmed gentle giant high school graduate who was going to college shot and killed by police.

    This one had a conviction for armed robbery, but his mother said (in other reports) he was never violent.

    Too early for an election special, I guess.

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  155. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ron Unz

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.
     
    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for "International Jew" and others... Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that's been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.

    Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings,

    I did, and that’s what I was referring to in my reply to donut.

    such as the big Race/Crime article that’s been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    ouch. I could have mentioned that….

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender.

    In fact don’t all the graphs show Hispanic crime rates dropping and white crime rates increasing?

    (Not to mention, the Hispanic health paradox. But that’s another story. I think.)

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    In fact don’t all the graphs show Hispanic crime rates dropping and white crime rates increasing?
     
    Yes, that's what the numbers actually say, but I wouldn't necessarily read too much meaning into them. The numbers aren't far aparent, generally something like -0.20 to -0.40, and the implications of differences in such weak correlations probably aren't significant. My guess is that the changes over time are primarily because 20-30 years ago Hispanics were somewhat more likely to live in cities with substantial black populations and these days they're somewhat less likely.
  156. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Lot

    I did a three month contract in Tucson and liked the city very much , I might have moved there but I was concerned about the water situation.
     
    You shouldn't be, for two reasons. First, when the Colorado River was getting divvied up, Nevada got screwed in favor of Arizona and California. It gets more than its share.

    Second, Arizona still has a ton of very wasteful high-water agriculture, which uses more than half of the state's water allocation. If there is a real shortage in the future, the state's extremely urban/suburban population will figure out a way to shut down the ag use.

    , the state’s extremely urban/suburban population will figure out a way to shut down the ag use.

    And then what will happen to the state’s economy?

    Given the power of the ag lobby, how will they do this?

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  157. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    With respect to Hispanics, my own lying eyes reaction is that they don’t create “no-go” neighborhoods. That honor goes strictly to blacks, and blacks alone. I go to a now heavily Hispanic part of Harlem regularly for business, and I encounter no issues or problems that distinguish it from any other ethnic enclave.

    I would not have done this back when it was black. Parts of Harlem still are and I avoid them, except for 125th street, which is open city.

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  158. @Anonymous
    I have civil rights fatigue waiting on White America to mature and evolve on Race. Centuries of slavery, discrimation , disparate treatment and of late lethal Negrophobia .

    The DOJ findings in Ferguson simply document and affirm the underdevelopment and inability of White America to evolve on the reality of RACE.

    The DOJ report affirms the cultural pathology of White racism and how it operates in a democracy .

    Greg Thrasher
    Director
    Plane Ideas
    Washington DV

    Plane Ideas

    Perhaps you ought to invest in a dictionary, then look into the difference between ‘plane’ and ‘plain’. And decide which word you really want. Because honestly it isn’t altogether clear.

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  159. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “…another thing you see on the map is how badly Anglo=Celtic type white people behave… They (actually, we) do seem not to have fully advanced from the not too distant aboriginal past.”

    Although a small group and in many ways perhaps not a “real” or as long-formed an ethnic group as many, the Scots-Irish formed a large percentage of the early American settlers. They were typically the frontier settlers and Indian fighters. They came from a culture of constant low-intensity warfare that often had to survive in a war zone with armies living off the land. The were classic “borderers”. Everyone recognized their propensity for violence. Their organized identity is low, they are highly individualistic, and they may have been the first to just call themselves “Americans”.

    The original culture evolved in the border between Scotland and England. This has been one of the more permanent borders in world history. This border was not a single line, but a region. There was a south border (Hadrian’s wall) and a north border (various walls, I think). The “border reivers” were the families, both Scottish and English in about equal number, that occupied the border.

    BTW, the “reiver” in “border reiver” is the same as in “shire reiver”. The term “shire reiver” evolved into “sheriff”. (Reiver is probably equivalent to “reliever”, essentially the tax man, the representative of the government.) So originally border reivers were probably the equivalent of “military settlers”, those living on a military frontier acting as border guards.

    Between the late 13th and early 17th century they became more loyal to themselves (mixed Scotish and English families) than distant kings. They were constantly conducting raids (basically rustling cattle) into both England and Scotland.

    When James VI of Scotland became king of England, he cleaned up the border and sent much of the population to Ulster, Northern Ireland to live a life of peace (okay, no that wasn’t it). A large chunk of this population moved on as soon as it could to the Americas. Unlike a lot of ethnic names “Scots-Irish” is sort of a description of where people have been.

    Another aside, the “Big House” in the latest latest Bond movie, with its armoury, is typical of a type of Scots-Irish building built around, or attached to, an older bastle house.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "This has been one of the more permanent borders in world history. "

    It's remarkable how much the local accent can change in just a few miles, say between (English) Carlisle and (Scottish) Gretna.
  160. @Ron Unz

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.
     
    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for "International Jew" and others... Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that's been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.

    Ron Unz wrote:
    “As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender…”

    That is interesting, though the caveat “of the same age and gender” is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male. I am concerned that what might have been traditional Hispanic behavior and culture is rapidly deteriorating as a result of Hispanics and blacks often sharing the same public schools and neighborhoods. Northern Virginia, e.g., has a real problem with Hispanic gangs like MS13 and I have heard the same about Chicago and other cities too. Blacks, when they have close contact with other ethnic groups, seem to cause a lot of negative cultural contamination rather than the liberals hoped for positive effect of exposing blacks to white or even Hispanic culture. For whatever reason, Asians, while not completely immune to this social ‘entropy’ seem to be most resistant to it.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    That is interesting, though the caveat “of the same age and gender” is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male.
     
    Absolutely. And certainly no one would deny that 27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females.

    In my irritation over seeing some commenters discussing the issue without having ever bothered to look at my own articles on this very website, I neglected to provide the actual links:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The first article from five years ago focused on Hispanic Crime and ignited a *massive* and highly contentious debate in the HBD blogosphere, leading to a dozen follow-up columns from me and perhaps 100,000 words of mostly very hostile commentary. Here's a link to the first couple of months of the heated debate:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/hispanic-crime-a-guide-to-the-debate/
  161. @The most deplorable one
    The schadenfreude is wonderful:

    http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/03/transgender_members_welcome_in.html

    Not sure in what sense you are using Schadenfreude here…

    But anyway, how about the dumb schmucks who get jail time for installing hidden cameras in eg women’s toilets and changing rooms? When all they had to do was get a membership in the nearest Planet Fitness and say they wanted to use the women’s locker/shower room because they ‘identified as female’. Dopes.

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  162. @Name Withheld
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    How about Elmira, New York? A prison town in a very white part of the state.

    New York State could be problematic. Auburn, NY–site of a maximum security state prison–has turned into a black ghetto, as inmate families moved to Auburn from metro NYC, as the train/bus trip for weekend visits is rather lengthy–and welfare benefits, etc. upstate are the same as downstate, while cost of living is quite less.

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  163. @Anonymous
    I have civil rights fatigue waiting on White America to mature and evolve on Race. Centuries of slavery, discrimation , disparate treatment and of late lethal Negrophobia .

    The DOJ findings in Ferguson simply document and affirm the underdevelopment and inability of White America to evolve on the reality of RACE.

    The DOJ report affirms the cultural pathology of White racism and how it operates in a democracy .

    Greg Thrasher
    Director
    Plane Ideas
    Washington DV

    Hahahahaha! Oh my stars and garters. That’s hilarious.

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  164. @prosa123
    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it's mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other. There's not a great deal of predatory crime against outsiders.

    My impression of Hispanic crime is that it’s mainly against other Hispanics and usually involves criminals and victims known to each other

    Does that also mean it’s under reported? Not that we would then know of course.

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  165. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.”

    San Jose may have less crime than other similar-sized cities that have lots of Blacks, but I drive through there everyday and they sure seem to have a Mexican-youth gang problem. Male Mexican 14 and 15 year-olds seem to get shot and killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time… Perhaps it’s only some parts of San Jose. By and large a lot of the population seems to be Mexican salt-of-the earth ex-ag workers, but there’s a percentage that live up to the California Mexican drug gang stereotype. Maybe these gangs that are willing to shoot first and figure things out later are responsible to some extent for _reducing_ Black crime (or even all crime) in San Jose.

    This might be saying something similar:

    “Crime rates for San Jose, CA”, Neighborhood Scout:

    “The crime rate in San Jose is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest, although at 29 crimes per one thousand residents, it is not among the communities with the very highest crime rate. The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in San Jose is 1 in 34. Based on FBI crime data, San Jose is not one of the safest communities in America. Relative to California, San Jose has a crime rate that is higher than 67% of the state’s cities and towns of all sizes.

    However, compared to other communities of similar population size, San Jose has a crime rate that is noticeably lower than the average. This means that for comparably sized cities all across America, San Jose is actually safer than most according to Neighborhood Scout’s exclusive analysis of FBI crime data.

    …violent crime in San Jose occurs at a rate higher than in most communities of all population sizes in America. The chance that a person will become a victim of a violent crime in San Jose; such as armed robbery, aggravated assault, rape or murder; is 1 in 297. …

    …San Jose has one of the highest rates of motor vehicle theft in the nation …”

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    “The crime rate in San Jose is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest
     
    Actually, for decades San Jose has regularly ranked as among the major cities in America with the absolutely lowest crime rates. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless on "touchy" subjects, but it is useful for providing official government statistics, and here's the (sortable) urban crime table:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_%282012%29

    For many years San Jose also had about the lowest homicide rate, but lost that distinction due to an unexpected spike for a couple of years. However, this year's numbers so far would easily put it back in the #1 spot for cities over 500K.

    As I noted in my original article, "gangs" are somewhat illdefined. If the local gangs aren't committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?
  166. @Ron Unz

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.
     
    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for "International Jew" and others... Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that's been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.

    “As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.”

    No, Mr. Unz – no.

    (1) Your method of adjusting for age was hopelessly flawed, producing numbers that were pretty much meaningless.

    (2) You came up with some heavily Hispanic cities with relatively low crime rates, but provided no information on the comparative Anglo/Hispanic crime rates *within those cities*, which is what you needed, at the very minimum, to support your case.

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  167. @Truth
    Hey Gents:

    A continuation to Steve's last NYT-Ferguson monopoly story; here's Amren.com's 3/6/15 roster of articles:

    March 6, 2015
    DOJ Uses Faulty Calculation in Ferguson Report, Special to AR News
    88 Comments

    Can’t do fourth-grade math.
    Obama: Type of Racial Discrimination in Ferguson Police Department Not Isolated, CBS DC
    50 Comments

    Civil right is “an unfinished project.”
    Ferguson Report Puts ‘Hands Up’ to Reality Test, New York Times
    28 Comments

    Eric Holder proves he has a sense of humor.
    Darren Wilson: Free At Last!, VDARE
    36 Comments

    But Holder says protests of police “racism” were justified anyway.
    Michael Brown’s Parents Will File Suit over Fatal Police Shooting, Attorneys Say, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
    55 Comments

    They’ll sue both Officer Wilson and the Ferguson PD.
    Three St. Louis Police Officers Removed from Duty amid Allegations of Criminal Conduct, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
    24 Comments

    They may have helped drug dealers.

    Troof:

    The events that attracted The Eye of Sauron to Ferguson were of no great interest, in themselves. Pretty routine, really.

    But the NYT’s focus on those events? Now *that’s* interesting.

    So what’s puzzling you?

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    • Replies: @Truth
    So these "of no great interest", "pretty routine" events, became an international news story because, The New York Times covered them?

    So am I to assume that the NYT was the first to cover them?
  168. @Ron Unz

    The “replies” feature does not show up on the “commenter archive” page. This would be quite useful to see if anyone has replied to comments you left on older articles.
     
    Done. For various architectural reasons, it was actually much more difficult to implement than one might assume.

    And as for "International Jew" and others... Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings, such as the big Race/Crime article that's been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.

    My most remarkable finding was that across American cities, the correlation between the prevalence of blacks and the prevalence of crime is perhaps the highest value ever found in all of modern sociology. This is separately true for each major crime category and each of the past twenty-five odd years, as far back as such public datasets exist.

    Even more remarkably, the correlation closely approaches unity, which means that no other factor has any significant impact whatsoever on local crime rates.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender. Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose.

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender.

    The idea of adjusting crime rates for age is meaningless when the criminal activities between whites and Hispanics are so different. Hispanic crime is very oriented towards gangs. These people are not likely to just grow out of minor criminal activity.

    As an example on the LA county murder blog we had a typical gang related murder in Whittier California about 6 months ago. Two gang members approached a Hispanic taking out the garbage and wanted to know what gang he was in. When he responded he wasn’t in one they shot him anyway. The perps were 25 and 30. Hardly a case of juvenile delinquents no longer stealing hubcaps.

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  169. @Harry Baldwin
    Re: "Planet Fitness cancels woman's membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room":

    If a transgender woman is pre-op and identifies as a lesbian, is it acceptable if she gets an erection while using the women's locker room? Compared to the questions puzzling America in the age of WWT, the questions puzzling medieval theologians were a piece of cake.

    How is that any different than a man in her locker room?

    She should take them to court and force the court to define “male” and “female,” to define “genitals,” and to compare and contrast a penis and a vagina.

    You can see where this is going. In schools, in gyms, in public facilities everywhere….a rapist enters the women’s bathroom dressed in women’s garb as a transgender and he rapes a woman while the court stands by.

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  170. “That is actually a great way to try to determine Hispanic murder rates.

    If that is correct, it blows wide open the theory that Hispanic crime rates is on par with whites which has been theorized by a few people.”

    Unlike some people here on The Unz, I never bought the B.S that Hispanics are Model Minorities who commit very little crime just like Whites. If that were true, Latin America would have a similar low crime rate as Europe.

    Most Latin American countries are closer to South Africa in terms of violent crime rates than they are to Sweden.

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  171. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Another thing about San Jose.

    They have had a real problem staffing their police force. I think the city basically went broke. It’s possible that crime is just under-reported in San Jose:

    “San Jose: Police will lose another 100 officers by 2016, according to projections”, Robert Salonga, Mercury News, 03/21/2014:

    “Despite efforts to hire and retain officers… if current trends continue, over the next two years the San Jose Police Department will shrink to two-thirds its size in 2008, when budget reduction measures sparked a running exodus of officers.

    …Worsening the bleak projection… nearly half of the most recent police academy graduates… have left for other agencies…. the department could reasonably expect just a quarter to actually stay on.

    …Currently, the police department has 970 street-ready officers and is deploying 906, a far cry from the nearly 1,400 street-ready officers — of which more than 1,200 were in the field — six years ago, at the start of a series of budget cuts…”

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  172. “With respect to Hispanics, my own lying eyes reaction is that they don’t create “no-go” neighborhoods.”

    Compton is predominantly Hispanic now, but it is still a no-go zone for White Angelenos like Steve Sailer.

    Despite Compton no longer being majority Black, it still has a reputation of being a poor lower working class ghetto city. And that is because a Hispanic majority does not equal Gentrification. A Hispanic majority does not equal better public schools, higher property values, and less gangs.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Compton is predominantly Hispanic now, but it is still a no-go zone for White Angelenos like Steve Sailer.
     
    Well, Compton's pretty far from where Steve lives. But he's mentioned on a number of occasions that he usually drives over to one of the most heavily Hispanic parts of the San Fernando valley to see movies because the lines are a little shorter and the prices are a little cheaper.
  173. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Aside on Scots-Irish and violence. At least one German Hessian officer fighting for the British is on record as writing that the American Revolution was a Scots-Irish rebellion. That might have been an exaggeration, but the revolutionaries actually fighting in the field may have been heavily Scots-Irish, in particular in the South, but all up and down the Appalachians and the frontier….

    The Battle of Kings Mountain is a typical Scots-Irish style victory:

    “…Ferguson issued a challenge to the rebel militias to lay down their arms or suffer the consequences. In response, the Patriot militias led by James Johnston, William Campbell, John Sevier, Joseph McDowell and Isaac Shelby rallied for an attack…

    …Achieving a complete surprise, the Patriot militiamen attacked… the Patriots gave no quarter until the rebel officers re-established control over their men. …

    …The battle was a pivotal moment in the Southern campaign. The surprising victory … greatly raised the Patriots’ morale. …. Cornwallis was forced to abandon his plan to invade North Carolina and retreated into South Carolina….”

    See also Overmountain Men. “The Long Road to Victory”, Charles Flower, WNC Magazine:

    “…Most of the Overmountain Men were Scots-Irish immigrants, who had pushed the fringe of the Western Frontier, fought Indians for their settlements, and didn’t take threats to their livelihoods lightly…”

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  174. “Perhaps those 173 jurisdictions are the fictional ones portrayed in TV crime dramas, where all the offenders are middle-class white people.”

    Or those ADT home security commercials that only portrays Non Hispanic White Gringos as burglars. I understand why they never cast Blacks as burglars in those commercials, but they could at least once in awhile cast “White Hispanics” who look similar to George Zimmerman as burglars in those commercials.

    Or is portraying “White Hispanics” as burglars now considered racist as well?

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  175. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Students as the epitome of the oppressed beings:

    This proliferation of in-your-face sexual identities [among students] is all posturing, just part of the dance between students desperate to find one last means of being transgressive and college bureaucrats eager to show their sensitivity and to justify their six-figure salaries. Students who should be studying European history and the roots of the novel — would that such subjects were still taught — are instead combing the farthest reaches of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic Manual for ways to distinguish themselves. By posing what they hope will be rejected demands on their administrations, they seek only to prove that they are living a life of oppression.

    Quoting from Heather Mac Donald.

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  176. @WhatEvvs

    Well, it would be kinda nice if maybe people around here might sometimes bother reading my own writings,
     
    I did, and that's what I was referring to in my reply to donut.

    such as the big Race/Crime article that’s been sitting towards the bottom of the Home page for about the last 18 months.
     
    ouch. I could have mentioned that....

    As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender.
     
    In fact don't all the graphs show Hispanic crime rates dropping and white crime rates increasing?

    (Not to mention, the Hispanic health paradox. But that's another story. I think.)

    In fact don’t all the graphs show Hispanic crime rates dropping and white crime rates increasing?

    Yes, that’s what the numbers actually say, but I wouldn’t necessarily read too much meaning into them. The numbers aren’t far aparent, generally something like -0.20 to -0.40, and the implications of differences in such weak correlations probably aren’t significant. My guess is that the changes over time are primarily because 20-30 years ago Hispanics were somewhat more likely to live in cities with substantial black populations and these days they’re somewhat less likely.

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  177. @unit472
    Ron Unz wrote:
    "As it happens, an earlier paper of mine on related issues had conclusively established that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender..."

    That is interesting, though the caveat "of the same age and gender" is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male. I am concerned that what might have been traditional Hispanic behavior and culture is rapidly deteriorating as a result of Hispanics and blacks often sharing the same public schools and neighborhoods. Northern Virginia, e.g., has a real problem with Hispanic gangs like MS13 and I have heard the same about Chicago and other cities too. Blacks, when they have close contact with other ethnic groups, seem to cause a lot of negative cultural contamination rather than the liberals hoped for positive effect of exposing blacks to white or even Hispanic culture. For whatever reason, Asians, while not completely immune to this social 'entropy' seem to be most resistant to it.

    That is interesting, though the caveat “of the same age and gender” is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male.

    Absolutely. And certainly no one would deny that 27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females.

    In my irritation over seeing some commenters discussing the issue without having ever bothered to look at my own articles on this very website, I neglected to provide the actual links:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The first article from five years ago focused on Hispanic Crime and ignited a *massive* and highly contentious debate in the HBD blogosphere, leading to a dozen follow-up columns from me and perhaps 100,000 words of mostly very hostile commentary. Here’s a link to the first couple of months of the heated debate:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/hispanic-crime-a-guide-to-the-debate/

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    I think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if "27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females"-- as you say, here, that "certainly no one would deny"-- then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American-- including an Hispanic one-- want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality-- or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there-- so, what's it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!
  178. @anonymous
    "Indeed, the lowest-crime large cities in America quite often tend to be among the most heavily Hispanic, notably El Paso and San Jose."

    San Jose may have less crime than other similar-sized cities that have lots of Blacks, but I drive through there everyday and they sure seem to have a Mexican-youth gang problem. Male Mexican 14 and 15 year-olds seem to get shot and killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time... Perhaps it's only some parts of San Jose. By and large a lot of the population seems to be Mexican salt-of-the earth ex-ag workers, but there's a percentage that live up to the California Mexican drug gang stereotype. Maybe these gangs that are willing to shoot first and figure things out later are responsible to some extent for _reducing_ Black crime (or even all crime) in San Jose.


    This might be saying something similar:

    "Crime rates for San Jose, CA", Neighborhood Scout:


    "The crime rate in San Jose is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest, although at 29 crimes per one thousand residents, it is not among the communities with the very highest crime rate. The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in San Jose is 1 in 34. Based on FBI crime data, San Jose is not one of the safest communities in America. Relative to California, San Jose has a crime rate that is higher than 67% of the state's cities and towns of all sizes.

    However, compared to other communities of similar population size, San Jose has a crime rate that is noticeably lower than the average. This means that for comparably sized cities all across America, San Jose is actually safer than most according to Neighborhood Scout's exclusive analysis of FBI crime data.


    ...violent crime in San Jose occurs at a rate higher than in most communities of all population sizes in America. The chance that a person will become a victim of a violent crime in San Jose; such as armed robbery, aggravated assault, rape or murder; is 1 in 297. ...

    ...San Jose has one of the highest rates of motor vehicle theft in the nation ..."

     

    “The crime rate in San Jose is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest

    Actually, for decades San Jose has regularly ranked as among the major cities in America with the absolutely lowest crime rates. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless on “touchy” subjects, but it is useful for providing official government statistics, and here’s the (sortable) urban crime table:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_%282012%29

    For many years San Jose also had about the lowest homicide rate, but lost that distinction due to an unexpected spike for a couple of years. However, this year’s numbers so far would easily put it back in the #1 spot for cities over 500K.

    As I noted in my original article, “gangs” are somewhat illdefined. If the local gangs aren’t committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?

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    If the local gangs aren’t committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?

    Hispanic street gangs are very much involved with the Mexican Mafia type prison gangs or maybe you didn't notice that 13 on their graffiti. How much crime are they committing and how much is getting reported is an interesting question. In the heyday of the Mafia, how much crime was reported to the police?

    Many local gangs are heavily involved in drug distribution and get their drugs from the Mexican cartels through the members of the more violent prison gangs. About 3 1/2 years ago a major drug distribution ring in Whittier and Sante Fe Springs was taken down after a two year investigation. I believe it was the entire Los Nietos gang and their wives and girlfriends over 30 people in all. I bet until that ring was broken there was little reported crime on those gang members.

    http://www.streetgangs.com/features/101811_whittier_losnietos#sthash.i6hTbwvJ.dpbs
  179. @Jefferson
    "With respect to Hispanics, my own lying eyes reaction is that they don’t create “no-go” neighborhoods."

    Compton is predominantly Hispanic now, but it is still a no-go zone for White Angelenos like Steve Sailer.

    Despite Compton no longer being majority Black, it still has a reputation of being a poor lower working class ghetto city. And that is because a Hispanic majority does not equal Gentrification. A Hispanic majority does not equal better public schools, higher property values, and less gangs.

    Compton is predominantly Hispanic now, but it is still a no-go zone for White Angelenos like Steve Sailer.

    Well, Compton’s pretty far from where Steve lives. But he’s mentioned on a number of occasions that he usually drives over to one of the most heavily Hispanic parts of the San Fernando valley to see movies because the lines are a little shorter and the prices are a little cheaper.

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  180. @Ron Unz

    That is interesting, though the caveat “of the same age and gender” is a large one given that the Hispanic population tends to be younger and, in many places, heavily male.
     
    Absolutely. And certainly no one would deny that 27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females.

    In my irritation over seeing some commenters discussing the issue without having ever bothered to look at my own articles on this very website, I neglected to provide the actual links:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The first article from five years ago focused on Hispanic Crime and ignited a *massive* and highly contentious debate in the HBD blogosphere, leading to a dozen follow-up columns from me and perhaps 100,000 words of mostly very hostile commentary. Here's a link to the first couple of months of the heated debate:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/hispanic-crime-a-guide-to-the-debate/

    I think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if “27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females”– as you say, here, that “certainly no one would deny”– then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American– including an Hispanic one– want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality– or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there– so, what’s it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!

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    Well, I'm not sure I'd totally go along with all your points, but, sure, our whole immigration policy is totally crazy. As to why all the various politicians support it, numerous plausible speculations are always being made on this very website.

    Incidentally, I hate to act like a crashing bore, but if you haven't already, you might want to take a look at a long article I wrote a couple of years ago on exactly this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/
    , @Jefferson
    " think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if “27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females”– as you say, here, that “certainly no one would deny”– then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American– including an Hispanic one– want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality– or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there– so, what’s it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!"

    According to Ron Unz, you have nothing to worry about because America in the future is going to resemble Norway because he predicts the majority of the Hispanic masses in the future are going to have blond hair and blue eyes. Basically most Mexican and Central American "Undocumented Workers" in the future are going to look Whiter than Mediterranean Southern Europeans.

  181. @D. K.
    I think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if "27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females"-- as you say, here, that "certainly no one would deny"-- then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American-- including an Hispanic one-- want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality-- or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there-- so, what's it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!

    Well, I’m not sure I’d totally go along with all your points, but, sure, our whole immigration policy is totally crazy. As to why all the various politicians support it, numerous plausible speculations are always being made on this very website.

    Incidentally, I hate to act like a crashing bore, but if you haven’t already, you might want to take a look at a long article I wrote a couple of years ago on exactly this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

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    I will read it a.s.a.p., Mr. Unz. In the meantime, if someone can explain to me why Charlie Sheen's kids will be entitled to Affirmative Action preferences over my nephews' and nieces' kids, in the years ahead, just because one of Charlie Sheen's kids' eight great-grandparents emigrated from the Iberian Peninsula, rather than, say, Italy or Greece, I would certainly appreciate it. (Both of my Mexican-American nephews died as adolescents, from a recessive genetic disease. "Never the luck!" as the future 'Don Barzini' lamented, just before collapsing in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip, the victim of a heart attack, in the original version of "Ocean's 11" [1960].)
  182. @Ron Unz

    “The crime rate in San Jose is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest
     
    Actually, for decades San Jose has regularly ranked as among the major cities in America with the absolutely lowest crime rates. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless on "touchy" subjects, but it is useful for providing official government statistics, and here's the (sortable) urban crime table:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_%282012%29

    For many years San Jose also had about the lowest homicide rate, but lost that distinction due to an unexpected spike for a couple of years. However, this year's numbers so far would easily put it back in the #1 spot for cities over 500K.

    As I noted in my original article, "gangs" are somewhat illdefined. If the local gangs aren't committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?

    If the local gangs aren’t committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?

    Hispanic street gangs are very much involved with the Mexican Mafia type prison gangs or maybe you didn’t notice that 13 on their graffiti. How much crime are they committing and how much is getting reported is an interesting question. In the heyday of the Mafia, how much crime was reported to the police?

    Many local gangs are heavily involved in drug distribution and get their drugs from the Mexican cartels through the members of the more violent prison gangs. About 3 1/2 years ago a major drug distribution ring in Whittier and Sante Fe Springs was taken down after a two year investigation. I believe it was the entire Los Nietos gang and their wives and girlfriends over 30 people in all. I bet until that ring was broken there was little reported crime on those gang members.

    http://www.streetgangs.com/features/101811_whittier_losnietos#sthash.i6hTbwvJ.dpbs

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  183. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I don’t know much of anything about San Jose crime or their crime stats. But I do occasionally listen to the radio…. I’m not sure what the following really means, but it’s possible the San Jose gang-related crime stats are as bogus, or more, as the Texas SAT stats (or whatever “cooked” stats most appeals). First goggle hit:

    “San Jose Police Chief: “I Apologize to Our Citizens” for Gang-Crime Stats”, Jenna Susko, Friday, Nov 15, 2013:

    “…“I apologize to our citizens,” Esquivel said. “I apologize to our politicians. We don’t want to hide.”

    He is apologizing for telling the public that gang-related homicides in San Jose are down more than 40 percent compared to last year, when in reality, the department doesn’t know that because it was comparing apples to oranges.

    The Investigative Unit’s report sparked outrage from city and county leaders.

    “Someone should have said these numbers don’t reflect a year-over-year drop in gang crime, and that didn’t happen, and that’s what’s troubling,” Councilman Ash Kalra said.

    “They shouldn’t have anything to hide,” Supervisor Dave Cortese said. “And if they do, then it’s a full-blown scandal, and that’s what we are all afraid of.”…”

    …The chief says he will not use that comparison again. He says addressing gang
    violence is a priority, and the public deserves accurate and fair information.

    …The police department says it’s in the process of removing the gang-related murder statistics from its website. …”

    I’ve also heard the occasional story that they don’t have all the police stations they need.

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  184. @Harry Baldwin
    Re: "Planet Fitness cancels woman's membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room":

    If a transgender woman is pre-op and identifies as a lesbian, is it acceptable if she gets an erection while using the women's locker room? Compared to the questions puzzling America in the age of WWT, the questions puzzling medieval theologians were a piece of cake.

    Re: “Planet Fitness cancels woman’s membership after her complaints of transgender woman in locker room”:

    http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/03/transgender_members_welcome_in.html

    The comments are about 19:1 against the woman whose privacy has been so outrageously violated. It is absolutely shocking.

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  185. @Ron Unz
    Well, I'm not sure I'd totally go along with all your points, but, sure, our whole immigration policy is totally crazy. As to why all the various politicians support it, numerous plausible speculations are always being made on this very website.

    Incidentally, I hate to act like a crashing bore, but if you haven't already, you might want to take a look at a long article I wrote a couple of years ago on exactly this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    I will read it a.s.a.p., Mr. Unz. In the meantime, if someone can explain to me why Charlie Sheen’s kids will be entitled to Affirmative Action preferences over my nephews’ and nieces’ kids, in the years ahead, just because one of Charlie Sheen’s kids’ eight great-grandparents emigrated from the Iberian Peninsula, rather than, say, Italy or Greece, I would certainly appreciate it. (Both of my Mexican-American nephews died as adolescents, from a recessive genetic disease. “Never the luck!” as the future ‘Don Barzini’ lamented, just before collapsing in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip, the victim of a heart attack, in the original version of “Ocean’s 11″ [1960].)

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  186. @George S
    Let's crowdsource this. Enter your state abbreviation and get your raw data:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/OK.json

    Don't worry, I already saved all the data locally. If you want to do it yourself, run this (requires jq):


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done

    Yay data!

    Here’s the data in spreadsheet form:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FGYsImuE2YCtlhxHN3mPeRXMapgprrDwdOl2R98tFkM/edit?usp=sharing

    Where we learn that, of the total 3538 localities surveyed, besides the 173 localities where there is “no disparity”, i.e., non-blacks are arrested at a higher rate than blacks, 881 more localities show a black arrest rate under twice the non-black arrest rate, 1062 have a black arrest rate between 2 and 3 times the non-black arrest rate, 612 have an up to 4 times higher arrest rate, 325 up to 5 times, and 485 have an arrest rate 5 times higher or more.

    0+ 173
    1+ 881
    2+ 1062
    3+ 612
    4+ 325
    5+ 485

    total 3538

    Note about what’s missing from the data (probably doesn’t change much statistically):

    The review did not include thousands of smaller departments or agencies that serve areas with only a small black population. It also did not include police agencies in most parts of Alabama, Florida and Illinois because those states had not reported complete arrest data to the FBI.

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  187. I have to say, I am white and haven’t been arrested.

    Of course, I haven’t committed any crime, but what does that matter?

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  188. @George S
    Let's crowdsource this. Enter your state abbreviation and get your raw data:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/OK.json

    Don't worry, I already saved all the data locally. If you want to do it yourself, run this (requires jq):


    $ mkdir -p state-data; for i in $(curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/state-list.json | jq '.[] | .abbr' | sed 's/\"//g'); do curl -s http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/js/data/states/$i.json > state-data/$i.json; done

    And here’s the data in mappable form via Google’s nifty fusion tables, with as examples, maps of lowest and highest arrest rate locations, and chart of states sorted by average disproportion of arrest rate:

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    According to that last chart, the three most disproportionate states are Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.

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  189. I guess Massachusetts is an outlier, Mr. Unz. Chelsea, Springfield and Lawrence are the most violent, and Hispanic, burgs in the Commonwealth.

    Our blacks seem to be much more educated and better behaved than the national average. Our Hispanics, not so much. Maybe it’s a Caribbean/South American vs. Mexican equation.

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    Yes, that doesn't surprise me at all. In my original Hispanic Crime article, I emphasized out that Hispanics in the Northeast have far higher crime rates than those elsewhere in the country. The key distinction is between Caribbean Hispanics (e.g. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans) and Meso-American Hispanics (e.g. Mexicans, Salvadorans). Hispanics in MA are very heavily Puerto Rican.

    I also pointed out that distinction has tended to confuse our national media, intellectual, and political elites, who are overwhelmingly concentrated in the NE like NY and MA.
  190. @Brutusale
    I guess Massachusetts is an outlier, Mr. Unz. Chelsea, Springfield and Lawrence are the most violent, and Hispanic, burgs in the Commonwealth.

    Our blacks seem to be much more educated and better behaved than the national average. Our Hispanics, not so much. Maybe it's a Caribbean/South American vs. Mexican equation.

    Yes, that doesn’t surprise me at all. In my original Hispanic Crime article, I emphasized out that Hispanics in the Northeast have far higher crime rates than those elsewhere in the country. The key distinction is between Caribbean Hispanics (e.g. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans) and Meso-American Hispanics (e.g. Mexicans, Salvadorans). Hispanics in MA are very heavily Puerto Rican.

    I also pointed out that distinction has tended to confuse our national media, intellectual, and political elites, who are overwhelmingly concentrated in the NE like NY and MA.

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    Isn't the entire point of our elites' concocting of a pseudo-race called "Hispanics" over these past forty-five years or so really just to confuse the public, nationwide, and especially the non-Hispanic White majority, Mr. Unz? Why are there said to be only two "ethnic" options in the United States, in recent decades, "Hispanic" and "non-Hispanic" (following the Census Bureau's lead)? Why not categorize people by whether they come from a Germanic ethno-cultural background (as I do, in part, and as I assume that you do)? I believe that German heritage is still the leading ethnic minority in the nation!?! French background would take in an even wider range of races and ethnicities, including French, Quebecois, Creoles, Haitians, Algerians, Nigerians, et al. When I was young, and even well into my young adulthood, "ethnics" referred to those of us descended from the Great Wave of immigration-- not the post-1965 non-White immigrants.
  191. @Noah172
    This is what I found glancing around the map, too. Looking at NJ (where I grew up), SC (where my wife is from), and GA (where we live now), the few places with under-disparities are Hispanic slums, white redneckvilles, almost-all-black rural slums, and maybe an odd Atlanta suburb.

    In NJ, there are three. One is North Hanover, which is about 80% Ft Dix Correctional Institute. The other two are part of Havana on the Hudson (Gutenberg and West New York), hardly slums but certainly working class Hispanic.

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  192. I came up with one besides prison towns; beach towns. I lived on the jersey Shore for a few years and could tell you that most people who get arrested are tourists who are white. The towns on Fire Island may even have a greater difference.

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  193. @Ron Unz
    Yes, that doesn't surprise me at all. In my original Hispanic Crime article, I emphasized out that Hispanics in the Northeast have far higher crime rates than those elsewhere in the country. The key distinction is between Caribbean Hispanics (e.g. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans) and Meso-American Hispanics (e.g. Mexicans, Salvadorans). Hispanics in MA are very heavily Puerto Rican.

    I also pointed out that distinction has tended to confuse our national media, intellectual, and political elites, who are overwhelmingly concentrated in the NE like NY and MA.

    Isn’t the entire point of our elites’ concocting of a pseudo-race called “Hispanics” over these past forty-five years or so really just to confuse the public, nationwide, and especially the non-Hispanic White majority, Mr. Unz? Why are there said to be only two “ethnic” options in the United States, in recent decades, “Hispanic” and “non-Hispanic” (following the Census Bureau’s lead)? Why not categorize people by whether they come from a Germanic ethno-cultural background (as I do, in part, and as I assume that you do)? I believe that German heritage is still the leading ethnic minority in the nation!?! French background would take in an even wider range of races and ethnicities, including French, Quebecois, Creoles, Haitians, Algerians, Nigerians, et al. When I was young, and even well into my young adulthood, “ethnics” referred to those of us descended from the Great Wave of immigration– not the post-1965 non-White immigrants.

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    I meant people from Niger, of course, rather than those from Nigeria. I gather that the former are properly to be designated "Nigeriens" rather than "Nigerians." Mea culpa!
    , @Ron Unz
    Well, creating "Hispanics" might or might not have had a nefarious motive. I think when the Nixon Administration invented Hispanics, they were only something like 2% of the population if we exclude Puerto Ricans, not all that much more numerically significant than American Indians or Asians. And as far as I can tell, absolutely nobody expected the enormous waves of Hispanic immigration in the 1970s and afterward, so most people probably thought they'd stay around 2%.

    I can't even remember the official reasons given or who supposedly lobbied for it. Sometimes important decisions spring from trivial factors.

    Interestingly enough, back in the 1920s Hispanics were often lumped in with Italians and Spaniards as all being "Latins" and considered fairly similar.
  194. @anonymous
    "...another thing you see on the map is how badly Anglo=Celtic type white people behave... They (actually, we) do seem not to have fully advanced from the not too distant aboriginal past."

    Although a small group and in many ways perhaps not a "real" or as long-formed an ethnic group as many, the Scots-Irish formed a large percentage of the early American settlers. They were typically the frontier settlers and Indian fighters. They came from a culture of constant low-intensity warfare that often had to survive in a war zone with armies living off the land. The were classic "borderers". Everyone recognized their propensity for violence. Their organized identity is low, they are highly individualistic, and they may have been the first to just call themselves "Americans".

    The original culture evolved in the border between Scotland and England. This has been one of the more permanent borders in world history. This border was not a single line, but a region. There was a south border (Hadrian's wall) and a north border (various walls, I think). The "border reivers" were the families, both Scottish and English in about equal number, that occupied the border.

    BTW, the "reiver" in "border reiver" is the same as in "shire reiver". The term "shire reiver" evolved into "sheriff". (Reiver is probably equivalent to "reliever", essentially the tax man, the representative of the government.) So originally border reivers were probably the equivalent of "military settlers", those living on a military frontier acting as border guards.

    Between the late 13th and early 17th century they became more loyal to themselves (mixed Scotish and English families) than distant kings. They were constantly conducting raids (basically rustling cattle) into both England and Scotland.

    When James VI of Scotland became king of England, he cleaned up the border and sent much of the population to Ulster, Northern Ireland to live a life of peace (okay, no that wasn't it). A large chunk of this population moved on as soon as it could to the Americas. Unlike a lot of ethnic names "Scots-Irish" is sort of a description of where people have been.

    Another aside, the "Big House" in the latest latest Bond movie, with its armoury, is typical of a type of Scots-Irish building built around, or attached to, an older bastle house.

    “This has been one of the more permanent borders in world history. “

    It’s remarkable how much the local accent can change in just a few miles, say between (English) Carlisle and (Scottish) Gretna.

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  195. @D. K.
    I think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if "27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females"-- as you say, here, that "certainly no one would deny"-- then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American-- including an Hispanic one-- want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality-- or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there-- so, what's it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!

    ” think that the salient issue, Mr. Unz, is, if “27-year-old Hispanic males have *vastly* higher crime rates than 45-year-old white females”– as you say, here, that “certainly no one would deny”– then why would any sane statesman, or even a mere politician, allow his nation to be invaded by millions of Hispanics who are mostly young and mostly male (not to mention, overwhelmingly impoverished and illiterate, offering no prospect, collectively, of improving American society)? Why would he allow his nation to be invaded by Hispanics, at all, since Hispanic cultures in Latin America have universally created societies that are inferior, if not downright anathema, to traditional American values, standards, accomplishments, and expectations? Why would any sane American– including an Hispanic one– want to turn the United States of America into merely the largest and most overpopulated country in an enlarged Latin America? I doubt that the many Hispanics that I grew up with, in Gary, including my own former in-laws and most of my childhood friends, desire such an eventuality– or ever even dreamed of it, back when we were young together, in the ghettos of Gary!?! My priest-brother is all for it, of course; but then, he has lived in El Salvador for about thirty years, and is a dual citizen who intends to die and be buried there– so, what’s it to him if all of the United States comes to resemble (more optimistically) Brazil (except with Spanish)? Afterall, civil war and all, he has probably been safer down there than he would have been up in his own diocese, back home in Gary!”

    According to Ron Unz, you have nothing to worry about because America in the future is going to resemble Norway because he predicts the majority of the Hispanic masses in the future are going to have blond hair and blue eyes. Basically most Mexican and Central American “Undocumented Workers” in the future are going to look Whiter than Mediterranean Southern Europeans.

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  196. @D. K.
    Isn't the entire point of our elites' concocting of a pseudo-race called "Hispanics" over these past forty-five years or so really just to confuse the public, nationwide, and especially the non-Hispanic White majority, Mr. Unz? Why are there said to be only two "ethnic" options in the United States, in recent decades, "Hispanic" and "non-Hispanic" (following the Census Bureau's lead)? Why not categorize people by whether they come from a Germanic ethno-cultural background (as I do, in part, and as I assume that you do)? I believe that German heritage is still the leading ethnic minority in the nation!?! French background would take in an even wider range of races and ethnicities, including French, Quebecois, Creoles, Haitians, Algerians, Nigerians, et al. When I was young, and even well into my young adulthood, "ethnics" referred to those of us descended from the Great Wave of immigration-- not the post-1965 non-White immigrants.

    I meant people from Niger, of course, rather than those from Nigeria. I gather that the former are properly to be designated “Nigeriens” rather than “Nigerians.” Mea culpa!

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  197. @D. K.
    Isn't the entire point of our elites' concocting of a pseudo-race called "Hispanics" over these past forty-five years or so really just to confuse the public, nationwide, and especially the non-Hispanic White majority, Mr. Unz? Why are there said to be only two "ethnic" options in the United States, in recent decades, "Hispanic" and "non-Hispanic" (following the Census Bureau's lead)? Why not categorize people by whether they come from a Germanic ethno-cultural background (as I do, in part, and as I assume that you do)? I believe that German heritage is still the leading ethnic minority in the nation!?! French background would take in an even wider range of races and ethnicities, including French, Quebecois, Creoles, Haitians, Algerians, Nigerians, et al. When I was young, and even well into my young adulthood, "ethnics" referred to those of us descended from the Great Wave of immigration-- not the post-1965 non-White immigrants.

    Well, creating “Hispanics” might or might not have had a nefarious motive. I think when the Nixon Administration invented Hispanics, they were only something like 2% of the population if we exclude Puerto Ricans, not all that much more numerically significant than American Indians or Asians. And as far as I can tell, absolutely nobody expected the enormous waves of Hispanic immigration in the 1970s and afterward, so most people probably thought they’d stay around 2%.

    I can’t even remember the official reasons given or who supposedly lobbied for it. Sometimes important decisions spring from trivial factors.

    Interestingly enough, back in the 1920s Hispanics were often lumped in with Italians and Spaniards as all being “Latins” and considered fairly similar.

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    Now, Spaniards, while deplaning in America, are immediately transmogrified into "Hispanics"-- and, thus, into oppressed "people of color," rather than the evil White Europeans who had departed Iberia, only a few hours earlier! When actor Martin Sheen's father landed in the New World, from Spain, he was an "ethnic"-- much as my own Slovak grandfather had been, earlier in the 20th Century. Now, instead, Martin Sheen's own grandchildren all are native-born "Hispanic Americans"-- and, thus, courtesy of their European-born White great-grandfather, they all are considered to be oppressed "people of color," too, entitled to all of the benefits and preferences attendant thereunto. As my oldest extant friend is wont to say: "Kinda makes ya wanna cry, don't it?!?"
  198. @Ron Unz
    Well, creating "Hispanics" might or might not have had a nefarious motive. I think when the Nixon Administration invented Hispanics, they were only something like 2% of the population if we exclude Puerto Ricans, not all that much more numerically significant than American Indians or Asians. And as far as I can tell, absolutely nobody expected the enormous waves of Hispanic immigration in the 1970s and afterward, so most people probably thought they'd stay around 2%.

    I can't even remember the official reasons given or who supposedly lobbied for it. Sometimes important decisions spring from trivial factors.

    Interestingly enough, back in the 1920s Hispanics were often lumped in with Italians and Spaniards as all being "Latins" and considered fairly similar.

    Now, Spaniards, while deplaning in America, are immediately transmogrified into “Hispanics”– and, thus, into oppressed “people of color,” rather than the evil White Europeans who had departed Iberia, only a few hours earlier! When actor Martin Sheen’s father landed in the New World, from Spain, he was an “ethnic”– much as my own Slovak grandfather had been, earlier in the 20th Century. Now, instead, Martin Sheen’s own grandchildren all are native-born “Hispanic Americans”– and, thus, courtesy of their European-born White great-grandfather, they all are considered to be oppressed “people of color,” too, entitled to all of the benefits and preferences attendant thereunto. As my oldest extant friend is wont to say: “Kinda makes ya wanna cry, don’t it?!?”

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    “If the local gangs aren’t committing much crime, then what does it mean to be in a gang?”

    Not sure you are serious here or not. Protection.

    True story. I’m standing at a commute bus-stop in downtown San Jose a couple of years ago. There’s a nice middle-aged white lady talking to a kid that looks like he could be the young hispanic gang member straight out of central casting. I’m not really listening to their conversation, he seems very polite and straight-forward. The nice white lady says something like, “oh, you don’t have to go do all that to get to Salinas!” (or maybe it was Watsonville, or wherever). She knew a bunch of ways to go where he needs to get much faster. Why in the world is he going to go to via (…say, Monterey)? She spent maybe a minute explaining better routes. He kind of hemmed and hawed and finally said there where just some places he wouldn’t feel okay going through…

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  200. @vinteuil
    Troof:

    The events that attracted The Eye of Sauron to Ferguson were of no great interest, in themselves. Pretty routine, really.

    But the NYT's focus on those events? Now *that's* interesting.

    So what's puzzling you?

    So these “of no great interest”, “pretty routine” events, became an international news story because, The New York Times covered them?

    So am I to assume that the NYT was the first to cover them?

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