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From the Times of London:

Erdogan gave 30,000 Syrians citizenship — now it’s payback time at Turkey elections

Hannah Lucinda Smith, Istanbul
June 20 2018, 5:00pm,

President Erdogan has positioned himself as one of the only candidates supporting refugees in Turkey

President Erdogan is hoping to secure the votes of tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who have been granted citizenship in Turkey in elections this weekend.

When Murat Zeki puts his voting slip in the ballot box on Sunday it will be the closest thing to a free election he has ever experienced. Yet he still feels he has little choice in who to vote for.

With main opposition parties championing a hard line on Syrian immigrants, many feel they only have one candidate who supports their right to remain in Turkey.

“I decided to vote for the AKP and Erdogan for president,” said Mr Zeki, who is one of the 30,000 Syrians who have secured the right to vote this weekend.

 
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  2. Relevant anagrams:

    Murat Zeki

    Um, rakez it.

    Erdogan

    Gone rad.
    Near dog.

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    A cad eyeing property.

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  3. eD says:

    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    Is there software that could space these out, so that whenever Steve writes them, readers see only so much material a day, with surplus material held back until Steve is in depressed mode and not writing much.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.
     
    It's called empty-nest syndrome. The boys are off to college.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/seattle-bicycle-enthusiast-they-eaten-by-a-mountain-lion/#comment-2383065
    , @Lars Porsena
    Thank you. I thought I blacked out and lost 2 days.
    , @Olorin
    It's all part of the work of an Overton Window installer and mover/shaker, as our host is.

    And after all, there is an awful lot of stuff happening. A dense time in the US, these five months from June to October.

    The left is waking up to the fact that the IC and hysterical cat and dog mommies with badly crafted pink hats and 400-lb manjawed black ladies and gangsta muthas and child drag queens aren't going to overturn the 2016 POTUS election, and that more and more Americans are laughing at their bedtime stories.

    The RINOs are being forced out of their "never Trump before/wait and see now" position and being revealed as complicit in SJW/left/Dem schemes like people trafficking in the name of religion.

    And countless millions of SJWs are waking up to the fact that their studies studies degrees' values are plummeting, despite what their college adviser promised (sinecures for life in academe for being disgruntled and acting childish).

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    Murat Zeki

    Um, rakez it.

    Erdogan

    Gone rad.
    Near dog.
    Raged on.

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    A cad eyeing property.

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  5. A Turkish friend of mine confirmed that Erdogan conducted a false flag operation in 2016 in order to suppress dissent. Democrats have noted that Erdogan was successful because Turks have no second amendment rights. My friend’s family members all lost their positions, so maybe his perspective is skewed. For myself, I am on board with his conspiracy theories. Especially after what I have seen the IRS, DOJ and FBI do here in America.

    Restoring honest government will be difficult here, at best. It is already impossible in Turkey.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    I wouldn't doubt your friend either. Turkey is where the term 'deep state' (derin devlet in Turkish) first originated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_Turkey#Background

    Say hello to your future, America.

    , @prosa123
    "Turks have no second amendment rights"

    Ironic, as Turkey is a major firearms producer. Many of the inexpensive shotguns sold in the US are from there.
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  6. @eD
    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    Is there software that could space these out, so that whenever Steve writes them, readers see only so much material a day, with surplus material held back until Steve is in depressed mode and not writing much.

    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    It’s called empty-nest syndrome. The boys are off to college.

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  7. Here was my entry in the UK Spectator’s 2016 “President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition” (“Recep Erdogan” pronounced American-style—how else?):

    The Turks, whether Turkish or Turkmen,
    Are known to be hard-working workmen.
    Recep Erdogan
    Is just such a man;
    All night he will s–k, f–k, and jerk men.

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  8. Used ta be a defining principle of a democracy was that when the electorate got pissed off with the politicians, they could change the politicians. No more. Now, when the people don’t vote the way the pols like, they change the people.
    The liberal elite in the UK, which had a population in my childhood that was over 99% White, listened overmuch to the (((Frankfurt School refugees ))) who had “captured” British institutions and decided that the Whites had to go to please the (((money-lenders)) who funded their campaigns.
    Now we have the turd that is Multi-Kulti enriching our lives with…with…with….er…curries.
    And genocide, by the insanity of encouraging abortions whilst spending money we have not got to encourage “refugees” to flood our land and pay them massive benefits for breeding and not working.
    Like this parasite http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house–complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html

    The money-lenders find it easier to hide their identities and thus their group tendencies in mixed-race nations, and they hate any form of nationalism -except Israeli nationalism.
    Immigrants and so called asylum-seeker enrichment for all–except Israel. of course.

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    The money-lenders find it easier to hide their identities and thus their group tendencies in mixed-race nations
     
    How does this work, exactly? Under multi-kultism, identity politics follows, and tribe is foregrounded. In fact, thanks to Trump, some of them have decided the time is right for their I'm not white, I'm Jewish! coming out party.
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  9. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    LOL. I guess the Right can play this game too.

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  10. J. Dart says:

    So Erdogan managed to get 30,000 Syrians onto the voter rolls in like, what, seven years? Amateur. The US government naturalizes that many Pakistanis alone in three years, and more than twice that many Africans every single year:

    https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table21

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  11. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jay Igaboo
    Used ta be a defining principle of a democracy was that when the electorate got pissed off with the politicians, they could change the politicians. No more. Now, when the people don't vote the way the pols like, they change the people.
    The liberal elite in the UK, which had a population in my childhood that was over 99% White, listened overmuch to the (((Frankfurt School refugees ))) who had "captured" British institutions and decided that the Whites had to go to please the (((money-lenders)) who funded their campaigns.
    Now we have the turd that is Multi-Kulti enriching our lives with...with...with....er...curries.
    And genocide, by the insanity of encouraging abortions whilst spending money we have not got to encourage "refugees" to flood our land and pay them massive benefits for breeding and not working.
    Like this parasite http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html


    The money-lenders find it easier to hide their identities and thus their group tendencies in mixed-race nations, and they hate any form of nationalism -except Israeli nationalism.
    Immigrants and so called asylum-seeker enrichment for all--except Israel. of course.

    The money-lenders find it easier to hide their identities and thus their group tendencies in mixed-race nations

    How does this work, exactly? Under multi-kultism, identity politics follows, and tribe is foregrounded. In fact, thanks to Trump, some of them have decided the time is right for their I’m not white, I’m Jewish! coming out party.

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo

    I guess you don't play poker.
    Some players with a good hand like to play down good hand, in case it makes the other players keep their money in their pockets. Others with a strong hand can't conceal their smugness which is a "tell" that alerts his opponents.

    Most Jews pl;ay down their hands,preferring the Goyim to be in the dark about their identity, as it allows Jewish dominance in the various powerful institutions to be difficult to spot.
    Ever seen a race discrimination action by a White person claiming to be a victim of Jewish racism? I haven't.
    Keeping it on the down-low prevents awareness of Jewish institutional racism(which is invisible to most Goyim) .
    Their dominance of institutions allows them to nip any complaints in the bud, and/or get rid of those they see as being willing and able to give voice to their suspicions. The PC Goyim they own, and most of the others are petrified of being labelled as anti-Semitic with the subsequent career and reputation-ending witch-hunt.

    "some of them have decided the time is right for their I’m not white, I’m Jewish! coming out party."
    Yup.
    The vanity and arrogance of these Jews causes the down-low Jews considerable worry; they know that puppet-masters shouldn't show themselves.
     

     
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  12. BenKenobi says:

    Steve, you do realize making so many posts in quick succession “slides your entire board” right?

    The Krauthammer obit is already off the main unz page at 22 comments as of this writing, and the one before that 19.

    Unless you’re sliding yourself on purpose…

    Holy shib — is unz.com an inside job?

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    Forum sliding doesn't apply here because this site doesn't work the same way as 4chan; a truly slid thread is literally erased, and Steve never has as many posts on his front page as would be normal in /pol/'s catalog.
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  13. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    Supposedly, ‘nationality’ or even ‘race’ are completely irrelevant to the umma – all those of faith are ‘brothers’.

    It has always puzzled me why the umma never out competed each other to do their holy duty and give their brothers a home – after all Pakistanis are never shy of blowing up Englishmen in subway trains for purported nastiness against Iraqi ummah in Iraq.
    Instead dumb, stupid blue-eyed whitey white bread, as ever, plays the fool and dupe.

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    People try to cover up issues by stating loudly they don't exist or urging people to rise above them. This never works.

    It has always puzzled me why the umma never out competed each other to do their holy duty and give their brothers a home
     
    Arabs in particular and Muslims in general are highly clannish. They don't get along with people just a couple kilometers over, much less the same country or the umma as a whole. Islam has only managed to get its adherents to respond to external threats which works until they win then the whole thing falls apart.
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  14. MEH 0910 says:
    @eD
    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    Is there software that could space these out, so that whenever Steve writes them, readers see only so much material a day, with surplus material held back until Steve is in depressed mode and not writing much.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYvVd3ntLA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzSosfzSeog
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  15. Altai says:

    It’s actualy fascinating how many Syrians have been killed in ethnic violence in Istanbul that cosmopolitan western journalists never report about. Like with Israel, Turkey isn’t treated like a Western country ultimately, no matter how much we’re not supposed to say so.

    OT:
    Went to a Turkish news site for something else but had two Sailer-bait stories in the sidebar.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488

    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

    I’d say a massive proportion of West Anatolians could claim jus sanguine from some of these states, not that it will be a huge problem for those states since I’d say our newly-minted EU passport holders have other German and English-speaking labour markets in mind.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/resentment-rising-against-syrian-refugees-in-turkeys-urban-centers-international-crisis-group-report-127548

    And at least 24 Syrians (11 others and not necessarily Turksish) have been killed in ‘intercommunal violence’ in one district of Istanbul during 2017.

    “Public services such as health and education, already strained by the district’s rapid expansion, have been further overstretched by the refugee influx. Locals complain about long lines at hospitals, crowded classrooms, skyrocketing rents, packed buses and piled-up trash. The sense that the Syrian influx has worsened the quality of life is sowing resentment among hosts, irrespective of political affiliation,” the ICG warned in its report.

    Sultangazi is home to pious Sunni Muslim conservatives, left-leaning Alevis, Turkish ultra-nationalists and Kurdish-speaking communities, who now live side by side with up to 50,000 Syrians, as well as approximately 8,000 migrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

    The ICG’s warning about Sultangazi came after an earlier report published last month called “Turkey’s Syrian Refugees: Defusing Metropolitan Tensions,” which focused on the rising intercommunal violence in the metropolitan areas.

    That report stated that violence between host communities and Syrian refugees increased threefold in the second half of 2017 compared to the same period in 2016 and at least 35 people died in these incidents during 2017, including 24 Syrians.

    “The potential for anti-refugee violence is highest in the metropolitan areas of Istanbul, Ankara and İzmir where host communities see Syrians as culturally different and resent their competition for low-wage jobs or customers, especially within the informal economy,” the report warned.

    Here is a link to the report mentioned.

    https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/248-turkey-s-syrian-refugees.pdf

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    • Replies: @Dante
    Thanks for the links in your comment, Very interesting.
    , @Anonymous
    I thought Turkey forbade dual nationality.
    , @black sea
    Sephardic Jews in Turkey are generally able to claim citizenship in Spain and Portugal on the grounds that their ancestors were driven from these lands during the Inquisition. Many are applying to do so, at least as a hedge against worst case scenarios in Turkey.
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  16. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    A Turkish friend of mine confirmed that Erdogan conducted a false flag operation in 2016 in order to suppress dissent. Democrats have noted that Erdogan was successful because Turks have no second amendment rights. My friend's family members all lost their positions, so maybe his perspective is skewed. For myself, I am on board with his conspiracy theories. Especially after what I have seen the IRS, DOJ and FBI do here in America.

    Restoring honest government will be difficult here, at best. It is already impossible in Turkey.

    I wouldn’t doubt your friend either. Turkey is where the term ‘deep state’ (derin devlet in Turkish) first originated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_Turkey#Background

    Say hello to your future, America.

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    • Replies: @Zip it, Scotty
    Darin Devlet. Good name for the bad guy in a big-screen conspiracy thriller.
    , @J.Ross
    Turkey was a great country when its deep stare effected bloodless coups: PMs who started to get Erdogannish would receive a letter from the army general staff, politely advising that they retire. Ataturk was a truly unique and great man, but his country and his successors have proven unworthy.
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  17. Dante says:
    @Altai
    It's actualy fascinating how many Syrians have been killed in ethnic violence in Istanbul that cosmopolitan western journalists never report about. Like with Israel, Turkey isn't treated like a Western country ultimately, no matter how much we're not supposed to say so.

    OT:
    Went to a Turkish news site for something else but had two Sailer-bait stories in the sidebar.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488

    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

    I’d say a massive proportion of West Anatolians could claim jus sanguine from some of these states, not that it will be a huge problem for those states since I’d say our newly-minted EU passport holders have other German and English-speaking labour markets in mind.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/resentment-rising-against-syrian-refugees-in-turkeys-urban-centers-international-crisis-group-report-127548

    And at least 24 Syrians (11 others and not necessarily Turksish) have been killed in ‘intercommunal violence’ in one district of Istanbul during 2017.

    “Public services such as health and education, already strained by the district’s rapid expansion, have been further overstretched by the refugee influx. Locals complain about long lines at hospitals, crowded classrooms, skyrocketing rents, packed buses and piled-up trash. The sense that the Syrian influx has worsened the quality of life is sowing resentment among hosts, irrespective of political affiliation,” the ICG warned in its report.

    Sultangazi is home to pious Sunni Muslim conservatives, left-leaning Alevis, Turkish ultra-nationalists and Kurdish-speaking communities, who now live side by side with up to 50,000 Syrians, as well as approximately 8,000 migrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Azerbaijan.



    The ICG’s warning about Sultangazi came after an earlier report published last month called “Turkey’s Syrian Refugees: Defusing Metropolitan Tensions,” which focused on the rising intercommunal violence in the metropolitan areas.

    That report stated that violence between host communities and Syrian refugees increased threefold in the second half of 2017 compared to the same period in 2016 and at least 35 people died in these incidents during 2017, including 24 Syrians.

    “The potential for anti-refugee violence is highest in the metropolitan areas of Istanbul, Ankara and İzmir where host communities see Syrians as culturally different and resent their competition for low-wage jobs or customers, especially within the informal economy,” the report warned.

    Here is a link to the report mentioned.

    https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/248-turkey-s-syrian-refugees.pdf

     

    Thanks for the links in your comment, Very interesting.

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  18. @Anonymous

    The money-lenders find it easier to hide their identities and thus their group tendencies in mixed-race nations
     
    How does this work, exactly? Under multi-kultism, identity politics follows, and tribe is foregrounded. In fact, thanks to Trump, some of them have decided the time is right for their I'm not white, I'm Jewish! coming out party.

    I guess you don’t play poker.
    Some players with a good hand like to play down good hand, in case it makes the other players keep their money in their pockets. Others with a strong hand can’t conceal their smugness which is a “tell” that alerts his opponents.

    Most Jews pl;ay down their hands,preferring the Goyim to be in the dark about their identity, as it allows Jewish dominance in the various powerful institutions to be difficult to spot.
    Ever seen a race discrimination action by a White person claiming to be a victim of Jewish racism? I haven’t.
    Keeping it on the down-low prevents awareness of Jewish institutional racism(which is invisible to most Goyim) .
    Their dominance of institutions allows them to nip any complaints in the bud, and/or get rid of those they see as being willing and able to give voice to their suspicions. The PC Goyim they own, and most of the others are petrified of being labelled as anti-Semitic with the subsequent career and reputation-ending witch-hunt.

    “some of them have decided the time is right for their I’m not white, I’m Jewish! coming out party.”
    Yup.
    The vanity and arrogance of these Jews causes the down-low Jews considerable worry; they know that puppet-masters shouldn’t show themselves.

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  19. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    It's actualy fascinating how many Syrians have been killed in ethnic violence in Istanbul that cosmopolitan western journalists never report about. Like with Israel, Turkey isn't treated like a Western country ultimately, no matter how much we're not supposed to say so.

    OT:
    Went to a Turkish news site for something else but had two Sailer-bait stories in the sidebar.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488

    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

    I’d say a massive proportion of West Anatolians could claim jus sanguine from some of these states, not that it will be a huge problem for those states since I’d say our newly-minted EU passport holders have other German and English-speaking labour markets in mind.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/resentment-rising-against-syrian-refugees-in-turkeys-urban-centers-international-crisis-group-report-127548

    And at least 24 Syrians (11 others and not necessarily Turksish) have been killed in ‘intercommunal violence’ in one district of Istanbul during 2017.

    “Public services such as health and education, already strained by the district’s rapid expansion, have been further overstretched by the refugee influx. Locals complain about long lines at hospitals, crowded classrooms, skyrocketing rents, packed buses and piled-up trash. The sense that the Syrian influx has worsened the quality of life is sowing resentment among hosts, irrespective of political affiliation,” the ICG warned in its report.

    Sultangazi is home to pious Sunni Muslim conservatives, left-leaning Alevis, Turkish ultra-nationalists and Kurdish-speaking communities, who now live side by side with up to 50,000 Syrians, as well as approximately 8,000 migrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Azerbaijan.



    The ICG’s warning about Sultangazi came after an earlier report published last month called “Turkey’s Syrian Refugees: Defusing Metropolitan Tensions,” which focused on the rising intercommunal violence in the metropolitan areas.

    That report stated that violence between host communities and Syrian refugees increased threefold in the second half of 2017 compared to the same period in 2016 and at least 35 people died in these incidents during 2017, including 24 Syrians.

    “The potential for anti-refugee violence is highest in the metropolitan areas of Istanbul, Ankara and İzmir where host communities see Syrians as culturally different and resent their competition for low-wage jobs or customers, especially within the informal economy,” the report warned.

    Here is a link to the report mentioned.

    https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/248-turkey-s-syrian-refugees.pdf

     

    I thought Turkey forbade dual nationality.

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  20. @Anonymous
    Supposedly, 'nationality' or even 'race' are completely irrelevant to the umma - all those of faith are 'brothers'.

    It has always puzzled me why the umma never out competed each other to do their holy duty and give their brothers a home - after all Pakistanis are never shy of blowing up Englishmen in subway trains for purported nastiness against Iraqi ummah in Iraq.
    Instead dumb, stupid blue-eyed whitey white bread, as ever, plays the fool and dupe.

    People try to cover up issues by stating loudly they don’t exist or urging people to rise above them. This never works.

    It has always puzzled me why the umma never out competed each other to do their holy duty and give their brothers a home

    Arabs in particular and Muslims in general are highly clannish. They don’t get along with people just a couple kilometers over, much less the same country or the umma as a whole. Islam has only managed to get its adherents to respond to external threats which works until they win then the whole thing falls apart.

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  21. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    A Turkish friend of mine confirmed that Erdogan conducted a false flag operation in 2016 in order to suppress dissent. Democrats have noted that Erdogan was successful because Turks have no second amendment rights. My friend's family members all lost their positions, so maybe his perspective is skewed. For myself, I am on board with his conspiracy theories. Especially after what I have seen the IRS, DOJ and FBI do here in America.

    Restoring honest government will be difficult here, at best. It is already impossible in Turkey.

    “Turks have no second amendment rights”

    Ironic, as Turkey is a major firearms producer. Many of the inexpensive shotguns sold in the US are from there.

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  22. WGG says:

    Erdogan is a cheap suit who happens to be in the right place at the right time.

    Off topic:

    The NXVIUM sex cult. Sure, Reniere is the official pimp of the world’s billionaire club, turning people into currency at the highest levels. But that is too much for the general public to wrap their minds around.

    Here’s an angle I haven’t heard before: Why is it unethical for a man to use corporate brainwashing techniques for sex purposes, but is A-okay for general corporate purposes?

    In the beginning, Reniere used the same psychological techniques that all major companies use on their employees. How are these psychological practices for “corporate success” considered ethical? Your boss is the one who controls your paycheck. That’s not an abuse of power?

    To be clear, I’m not talking about Glengarry Glenross style yelling. I’m talking about all the conferences, the “team-building exercises” the top-down and strictly enforced use of jargon, etc. Corporate culture. That’s what NXVIUM billed itself as: “executive success.” Its brainwashing.

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  23. Marcus says:

    I lol @ experts saying he’ll lose this election, even if he fails at the polls, he’ll just steal it.

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  24. @eD
    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    Is there software that could space these out, so that whenever Steve writes them, readers see only so much material a day, with surplus material held back until Steve is in depressed mode and not writing much.

    Thank you. I thought I blacked out and lost 2 days.

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    great line, thanks for a laugh.

    god i love Steve. sometimes he does crank it through though.
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  25. black sea says:
    @Altai
    It's actualy fascinating how many Syrians have been killed in ethnic violence in Istanbul that cosmopolitan western journalists never report about. Like with Israel, Turkey isn't treated like a Western country ultimately, no matter how much we're not supposed to say so.

    OT:
    Went to a Turkish news site for something else but had two Sailer-bait stories in the sidebar.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488

    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

    I’d say a massive proportion of West Anatolians could claim jus sanguine from some of these states, not that it will be a huge problem for those states since I’d say our newly-minted EU passport holders have other German and English-speaking labour markets in mind.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/resentment-rising-against-syrian-refugees-in-turkeys-urban-centers-international-crisis-group-report-127548

    And at least 24 Syrians (11 others and not necessarily Turksish) have been killed in ‘intercommunal violence’ in one district of Istanbul during 2017.

    “Public services such as health and education, already strained by the district’s rapid expansion, have been further overstretched by the refugee influx. Locals complain about long lines at hospitals, crowded classrooms, skyrocketing rents, packed buses and piled-up trash. The sense that the Syrian influx has worsened the quality of life is sowing resentment among hosts, irrespective of political affiliation,” the ICG warned in its report.

    Sultangazi is home to pious Sunni Muslim conservatives, left-leaning Alevis, Turkish ultra-nationalists and Kurdish-speaking communities, who now live side by side with up to 50,000 Syrians, as well as approximately 8,000 migrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Azerbaijan.



    The ICG’s warning about Sultangazi came after an earlier report published last month called “Turkey’s Syrian Refugees: Defusing Metropolitan Tensions,” which focused on the rising intercommunal violence in the metropolitan areas.

    That report stated that violence between host communities and Syrian refugees increased threefold in the second half of 2017 compared to the same period in 2016 and at least 35 people died in these incidents during 2017, including 24 Syrians.

    “The potential for anti-refugee violence is highest in the metropolitan areas of Istanbul, Ankara and İzmir where host communities see Syrians as culturally different and resent their competition for low-wage jobs or customers, especially within the informal economy,” the report warned.

    Here is a link to the report mentioned.

    https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/248-turkey-s-syrian-refugees.pdf

     

    Sephardic Jews in Turkey are generally able to claim citizenship in Spain and Portugal on the grounds that their ancestors were driven from these lands during the Inquisition. Many are applying to do so, at least as a hedge against worst case scenarios in Turkey.

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    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I'd say it's mostly fraud.
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  26. CJ says:

    Syria is an artificial construct of borders containing several different ethnic groups. Are these “30,000 Syrians” ethnically Turkish? I can believe that they’re all Muslims, but what kind of Muslims? Anybody know?

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  27. J.Ross says: • Website
    @BenKenobi
    Steve, you do realize making so many posts in quick succession "slides your entire board" right?

    The Krauthammer obit is already off the main unz page at 22 comments as of this writing, and the one before that 19.

    Unless you're sliding yourself on purpose...

    Holy shib -- is unz.com an inside job?

    Forum sliding doesn’t apply here because this site doesn’t work the same way as 4chan; a truly slid thread is literally erased, and Steve never has as many posts on his front page as would be normal in /pol/’s catalog.

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  28. Olorin says:
    @eD
    Is Steve going through a manic phase? It seems this is the ninth post this evening.

    Is there software that could space these out, so that whenever Steve writes them, readers see only so much material a day, with surplus material held back until Steve is in depressed mode and not writing much.

    It’s all part of the work of an Overton Window installer and mover/shaker, as our host is.

    And after all, there is an awful lot of stuff happening. A dense time in the US, these five months from June to October.

    The left is waking up to the fact that the IC and hysterical cat and dog mommies with badly crafted pink hats and 400-lb manjawed black ladies and gangsta muthas and child drag queens aren’t going to overturn the 2016 POTUS election, and that more and more Americans are laughing at their bedtime stories.

    The RINOs are being forced out of their “never Trump before/wait and see now” position and being revealed as complicit in SJW/left/Dem schemes like people trafficking in the name of religion.

    And countless millions of SJWs are waking up to the fact that their studies studies degrees’ values are plummeting, despite what their college adviser promised (sinecures for life in academe for being disgruntled and acting childish).

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  29. Altai says:
    @black sea
    Sephardic Jews in Turkey are generally able to claim citizenship in Spain and Portugal on the grounds that their ancestors were driven from these lands during the Inquisition. Many are applying to do so, at least as a hedge against worst case scenarios in Turkey.

    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud.

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    29 Altai > I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud


    how many people in the backwoods hollers' of Kentucky can "prove" that they descend from Scots-Irish?

    the circumstances and actual written evidence are clear that those Turkish Jews who were there before WWI, are Spanish-Portugese originated

    no doubt there were some who actually had grandparents that came to Turkey from (e.g.) Iraq, but there were VERY VERY few "ashkenaz'im" in turkey before 1914


    iSteve has already written about how unusually difficult it would have been for Obama's pregnant mother to GET to Kenya in time to give birth to the lad

    How much more so such long distance travel, in 1912?

    Furthermore: plenty of Jews made it alive out of Spain and Portugal after the expulsions...... where are you claiming that they ==did== get to?


    Or are you saying that the Nazis ==couldn't== have killed so many Jews, but the Spaniards could?

    , @black sea
    I don't claim any great knowledge of this matter, but from what I understand of the laws passed by Spain and Portugal, it's not necessary for Turkish Jews to prove genealogically that their ancestors were expelled during the Inquisition. If you are a Sephardic Jew, there is an assumption that this was the case.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Soaring-number-of-Sephardic-Jews-acquired-Portuguese-citizenship-in-2017-543493

    , @AnotherDad

    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud.
     
    I don't doubt that significant numbers of Ottoman Jews can trace roots back to Spain.

    The real issue is why in the hell should Spain allow them to come back?

    These Sephardic Jews are folks who specifically rejected the command to get with the program and integrate--norms, values, culture and genetically--with their Spanish neighbors, in favor of their tribal affiliation.

    Fine--i never have a problem with folks choosing their tribe. But then it's done. There's no reason Spain should pay any attention them and give them special favors ... they are a people who precisely rejected Spain and Spainishness.

    If the Sephardic Jews now want to leave Turkey, they should be applying to Israel, which is the nation for their ethnic group.

    ~~

    This stuff ain't complicated: You reject the norms, values, traditions, culture ... and people! ... of the nation where you live in favor of allegiance to your own tribe. Peachy. But those folks are then under no obligation to treat you like one of their national family--you aren't! Go live with your own people.
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  30. Tenbolk says:

    Here in the Dutch media, there are some reports on the Turkish election. Turkish people who reside in (and where often born in) Western Europa, can vote in this election. Many Turkish people (75-80%) living in The Netherlands and Germany vote for Erdogan. There seems to be some chagrin among the people in Turkey. There reasoning goes along the lines: Why should those people (who don’t live here, and only come here for the holidays) should have a say in how this country is run?

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    Do you have a link for this in English?
    , @Matra
    Sounds like the mostly IRA-supporting Irish-Americans of the 70s and 80s who distorted the entire political situation in Ireland - where their political wing only got a small percentage of the vote throughout the island. Blowhard 'no skin in the game' diaspora nationalists are among the worst people on earth.
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  31. @Seamus Padraig
    I wouldn't doubt your friend either. Turkey is where the term 'deep state' (derin devlet in Turkish) first originated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_Turkey#Background

    Say hello to your future, America.

    Darin Devlet. Good name for the bad guy in a big-screen conspiracy thriller.

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  32. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/seattle-bicycle-enthusiast-they-eaten-by-a-mountain-lion/#comment-2383065

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  33. @Tenbolk
    Here in the Dutch media, there are some reports on the Turkish election. Turkish people who reside in (and where often born in) Western Europa, can vote in this election. Many Turkish people (75-80%) living in The Netherlands and Germany vote for Erdogan. There seems to be some chagrin among the people in Turkey. There reasoning goes along the lines: Why should those people (who don't live here, and only come here for the holidays) should have a say in how this country is run?

    Do you have a link for this in English?

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    It's from a subsciption-based Dutch weekly, though not a sensationalist magazine. The title translates to as much as 'Living the high life on Dutch welfare.' I ran this through the translate service, the reporters talked to a Turkish guy:

    "In a café on the canal, a group of young people sit around a table. They explain that Turkish Europeans do not have a good image in Turkey. 'You can immediately see who is coming from Europe,' says Oguz Kara (28), who looks like a hipster with his beard and glasses. 'Girls with big headscarves and a lot of make-up. Those guys always seem to be screaming. Their Turkish is often very bad. "

    "They are bragging rights," says his friend Eli. 'They cheer for Erdogan, drive around in beautiful cars and make good decorations: for them everything is very cheap. And they only scold the Netherlands and Germany. But I really do not understand what they have to complain about. I would love to trade with them. They have complete freedom, can buy houses and go on holiday. I work very hard, earn 300 euros a month and can barely pay the rent. '
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  34. Tenbolk says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Do you have a link for this in English?

    It’s from a subsciption-based Dutch weekly, though not a sensationalist magazine. The title translates to as much as ‘Living the high life on Dutch welfare.’ I ran this through the translate service, the reporters talked to a Turkish guy:

    “In a café on the canal, a group of young people sit around a table. They explain that Turkish Europeans do not have a good image in Turkey. ‘You can immediately see who is coming from Europe,’ says Oguz Kara (28), who looks like a hipster with his beard and glasses. ‘Girls with big headscarves and a lot of make-up. Those guys always seem to be screaming. Their Turkish is often very bad. ”

    “They are bragging rights,” says his friend Eli. ‘They cheer for Erdogan, drive around in beautiful cars and make good decorations: for them everything is very cheap. And they only scold the Netherlands and Germany. But I really do not understand what they have to complain about. I would love to trade with them. They have complete freedom, can buy houses and go on holiday. I work very hard, earn 300 euros a month and can barely pay the rent. ‘

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    Inter-Turk drama is yummy...
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    What type of cultural differences exist between the ethnic Turkish migrants and ethnic Kurdish-Turkish migrants? My sense was always that the Kurds were substantially more backward in some ways, but I could be wrong.

    Also, lots of Turks are sort of white-looking. Does that make it easier for them to "pass" as European and get assimilated in?
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  35. AndrewR says:
    @Tenbolk
    It's from a subsciption-based Dutch weekly, though not a sensationalist magazine. The title translates to as much as 'Living the high life on Dutch welfare.' I ran this through the translate service, the reporters talked to a Turkish guy:

    "In a café on the canal, a group of young people sit around a table. They explain that Turkish Europeans do not have a good image in Turkey. 'You can immediately see who is coming from Europe,' says Oguz Kara (28), who looks like a hipster with his beard and glasses. 'Girls with big headscarves and a lot of make-up. Those guys always seem to be screaming. Their Turkish is often very bad. "

    "They are bragging rights," says his friend Eli. 'They cheer for Erdogan, drive around in beautiful cars and make good decorations: for them everything is very cheap. And they only scold the Netherlands and Germany. But I really do not understand what they have to complain about. I would love to trade with them. They have complete freedom, can buy houses and go on holiday. I work very hard, earn 300 euros a month and can barely pay the rent. '

    Inter-Turk drama is yummy…

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  36. @Lars Porsena
    Thank you. I thought I blacked out and lost 2 days.

    great line, thanks for a laugh.

    god i love Steve. sometimes he does crank it through though.

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  37. Karl says:
    @Altai
    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I'd say it's mostly fraud.

    29 Altai > I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud

    how many people in the backwoods hollers’ of Kentucky can “prove” that they descend from Scots-Irish?

    the circumstances and actual written evidence are clear that those Turkish Jews who were there before WWI, are Spanish-Portugese originated

    no doubt there were some who actually had grandparents that came to Turkey from (e.g.) Iraq, but there were VERY VERY few “ashkenaz’im” in turkey before 1914

    iSteve has already written about how unusually difficult it would have been for Obama’s pregnant mother to GET to Kenya in time to give birth to the lad

    How much more so such long distance travel, in 1912?

    Furthermore: plenty of Jews made it alive out of Spain and Portugal after the expulsions…… where are you claiming that they ==did== get to?

    Or are you saying that the Nazis ==couldn’t== have killed so many Jews, but the Spaniards could?

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  38. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig
    I wouldn't doubt your friend either. Turkey is where the term 'deep state' (derin devlet in Turkish) first originated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_Turkey#Background

    Say hello to your future, America.

    Turkey was a great country when its deep stare effected bloodless coups: PMs who started to get Erdogannish would receive a letter from the army general staff, politely advising that they retire. Ataturk was a truly unique and great man, but his country and his successors have proven unworthy.

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  39. black sea says:
    @Altai
    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I'd say it's mostly fraud.

    I don’t claim any great knowledge of this matter, but from what I understand of the laws passed by Spain and Portugal, it’s not necessary for Turkish Jews to prove genealogically that their ancestors were expelled during the Inquisition. If you are a Sephardic Jew, there is an assumption that this was the case.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Soaring-number-of-Sephardic-Jews-acquired-Portuguese-citizenship-in-2017-543493

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  40. @Tenbolk
    It's from a subsciption-based Dutch weekly, though not a sensationalist magazine. The title translates to as much as 'Living the high life on Dutch welfare.' I ran this through the translate service, the reporters talked to a Turkish guy:

    "In a café on the canal, a group of young people sit around a table. They explain that Turkish Europeans do not have a good image in Turkey. 'You can immediately see who is coming from Europe,' says Oguz Kara (28), who looks like a hipster with his beard and glasses. 'Girls with big headscarves and a lot of make-up. Those guys always seem to be screaming. Their Turkish is often very bad. "

    "They are bragging rights," says his friend Eli. 'They cheer for Erdogan, drive around in beautiful cars and make good decorations: for them everything is very cheap. And they only scold the Netherlands and Germany. But I really do not understand what they have to complain about. I would love to trade with them. They have complete freedom, can buy houses and go on holiday. I work very hard, earn 300 euros a month and can barely pay the rent. '

    What type of cultural differences exist between the ethnic Turkish migrants and ethnic Kurdish-Turkish migrants? My sense was always that the Kurds were substantially more backward in some ways, but I could be wrong.

    Also, lots of Turks are sort of white-looking. Does that make it easier for them to “pass” as European and get assimilated in?

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    Between the Kurds and Turks here in Holland there seem to be not many cultural differences. They have political arguments though, which come up from time to time.

    I think the more white looking Turkish people are from north and north west Turkey. Emigrants to western Europe and their descendents are not from those areas. Not often you would, in The Netherlands or in Germany, mistake a Turkish for a Dutch or German person.
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  41. Tenbolk says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    What type of cultural differences exist between the ethnic Turkish migrants and ethnic Kurdish-Turkish migrants? My sense was always that the Kurds were substantially more backward in some ways, but I could be wrong.

    Also, lots of Turks are sort of white-looking. Does that make it easier for them to "pass" as European and get assimilated in?

    Between the Kurds and Turks here in Holland there seem to be not many cultural differences. They have political arguments though, which come up from time to time.

    I think the more white looking Turkish people are from north and north west Turkey. Emigrants to western Europe and their descendents are not from those areas. Not often you would, in The Netherlands or in Germany, mistake a Turkish for a Dutch or German person.

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    What are your thoughts on the Moluccans and Surinamese ("Hindoestanen")?
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  42. @Altai
    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I'd say it's mostly fraud.

    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud.

    I don’t doubt that significant numbers of Ottoman Jews can trace roots back to Spain.

    The real issue is why in the hell should Spain allow them to come back?

    These Sephardic Jews are folks who specifically rejected the command to get with the program and integrate–norms, values, culture and genetically–with their Spanish neighbors, in favor of their tribal affiliation.

    Fine–i never have a problem with folks choosing their tribe. But then it’s done. There’s no reason Spain should pay any attention them and give them special favors … they are a people who precisely rejected Spain and Spainishness.

    If the Sephardic Jews now want to leave Turkey, they should be applying to Israel, which is the nation for their ethnic group.

    ~~

    This stuff ain’t complicated: You reject the norms, values, traditions, culture … and people! … of the nation where you live in favor of allegiance to your own tribe. Peachy. But those folks are then under no obligation to treat you like one of their national family–you aren’t! Go live with your own people.

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    Apparently, Spain instituted this 'right of return' law to Sephardim - able to trace residence in Spain by ancestors hundreds and hundreds of years ago - right at the same time that Spain was bombed out by the 2008 global financial crash.

    The strong inference is that the Spanish government was after Jewish money to bail Spain out.

    Medieval practices surprisingly die hard. Even in today's 'globalized' world.
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  43. @Tenbolk
    Between the Kurds and Turks here in Holland there seem to be not many cultural differences. They have political arguments though, which come up from time to time.

    I think the more white looking Turkish people are from north and north west Turkey. Emigrants to western Europe and their descendents are not from those areas. Not often you would, in The Netherlands or in Germany, mistake a Turkish for a Dutch or German person.

    What are your thoughts on the Moluccans and Surinamese (“Hindoestanen”)?

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  44. Matra says:
    @Tenbolk
    Here in the Dutch media, there are some reports on the Turkish election. Turkish people who reside in (and where often born in) Western Europa, can vote in this election. Many Turkish people (75-80%) living in The Netherlands and Germany vote for Erdogan. There seems to be some chagrin among the people in Turkey. There reasoning goes along the lines: Why should those people (who don't live here, and only come here for the holidays) should have a say in how this country is run?

    Sounds like the mostly IRA-supporting Irish-Americans of the 70s and 80s who distorted the entire political situation in Ireland – where their political wing only got a small percentage of the vote throughout the island. Blowhard ‘no skin in the game’ diaspora nationalists are among the worst people on earth.

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  45. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    I realise that it is theoretically possible for some synagogues and Ottoman records to be good enough to prove that thread, but really at this point does a significant portion of their ancestry trace to those people? I’d say it’s mostly fraud.
     
    I don't doubt that significant numbers of Ottoman Jews can trace roots back to Spain.

    The real issue is why in the hell should Spain allow them to come back?

    These Sephardic Jews are folks who specifically rejected the command to get with the program and integrate--norms, values, culture and genetically--with their Spanish neighbors, in favor of their tribal affiliation.

    Fine--i never have a problem with folks choosing their tribe. But then it's done. There's no reason Spain should pay any attention them and give them special favors ... they are a people who precisely rejected Spain and Spainishness.

    If the Sephardic Jews now want to leave Turkey, they should be applying to Israel, which is the nation for their ethnic group.

    ~~

    This stuff ain't complicated: You reject the norms, values, traditions, culture ... and people! ... of the nation where you live in favor of allegiance to your own tribe. Peachy. But those folks are then under no obligation to treat you like one of their national family--you aren't! Go live with your own people.

    Apparently, Spain instituted this ‘right of return’ law to Sephardim – able to trace residence in Spain by ancestors hundreds and hundreds of years ago – right at the same time that Spain was bombed out by the 2008 global financial crash.

    The strong inference is that the Spanish government was after Jewish money to bail Spain out.

    Medieval practices surprisingly die hard. Even in today’s ‘globalized’ world.

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