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From New York Magazine:

Jeffrey Epstein’s Bodyguard on His Former Boss’s Lifestyle, Cruelty, Suicide
By M.L. Nestel

About 10 or 15 years ago, I noticed that my dad’s favorite grocery store in Valley Village, CA now had a lot of customers who looked much like this guy, Igor Zinoviev, the MMA fighter who was Jeffrey Epstein’s bodyguard, driver, and personal trainer. The Russian slang term for hired muscle, “flathead,” would leap to my mind while looking at them.

But who were these guys, I’d wonder, and what were they doing in the San Fernando Valley?

Eventually I guessed that many of the flatheads of North Hollywood are probably bodyguards and the like for the Russian oligarchs building those 50,000 square foot houses in Bel-Air. (Movie stars can barely afford to buy in some parts of the Hollywood Hills anymore because of all the Really Big Money moving in, often consisting, I would imagine, of a guy who got his big break because he knew a guy who knew Vlad.)

Judging by this one datapoint today, I might have been onto something.

Update: iSteve commenter Dave adds:

I was a fan of Igor back in the early days of MMA, the mid 90’s, and he was a pioneer in the new combat sport. He had some epic battles until his career was effectively ended by Frank Shamrock via brutal bodyslam.

I lived on the Lower East Side until 2009, and would occasionally see Igor at the Russian baths on 10th street, a genuine throwback to the kind of saunas popular in Eastern Europe, and frequented by plenty of Russian goons and platinum blond Russian ladies, although they were never menacing, as everyone there just wanted a good sweat.

He always wore nylon sweatsuits and was built like a brick sh*thouse. He looked even tougher in real life than he did on TV.

I had no idea he was Epstein’s bodyguard, but it makes sense.

 
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  1. J.Ross says:

    >and personal trainer
    Okay.

  2. Dave says:

    I was a fan of Igor back in the early days of MMA, the mid 90’s, and he was a pioneer in the new combat sport. He had some epic battles until his career was effectively ended by Frank Shamrock via brutal bodyslam.
    I lived on the Lower East Side until 2009, and would occasionally see Igor at the Russian baths on 10th street, a genuine throwback to the kind of saunas popular in Eastern Europe, and frequented by plenty of Russian goons and platinum blond Russian ladies, although they were never menacing, as everyone there just wanted a good sweat.
    He always wore nylon sweatsuits and was built like a brick sh*thouse. He looked even tougher in real life than he did on TV.
    I had no idea he was Epstein’s bodyguard, but it makes sense.

    • Replies: @Danindc
  3. lavoisier says: • Website

    I could take that guy!

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonymous
  4. Lot says:

    Bro, do you even lift?

  5. Somewhat tangentially, you remind me of one thing I noted about the alien flood pouring into California that finally drove me to abandon my ancestral homeland.

    It wasn’t just the obvious: the Asians, Hispanics, and who-is-this-persons. All the white people were aliens as well. If they weren’t from New Jersey, they were from points still more exotic.

    This point was driven home one day when we left our ordinary stomping grounds of Richmond, California and adjacent points and went over to Muir Beach in Marin County. I was fishing, and some kids came over to interrogate me. They were nice enough, but they weren’t from the United States.

    Now I’m up here in Oregon, and the bizarre thing is, everyone is from California. In the town of twenty thousand I live in, I’m from California, my wife is from California, the distaff half of the couple in the house to the West is from California, both halves of the elderly couple to the East are from California, Kim across the street is from California…

    We’ve all fled. It makes me realize. It’s not just that California has gone from ten million to forty million in the course of my life. As the aliens have been pouring in, the aborigines have been getting out. The actual number of people left in California with roots going back to the nineteenth century must be miniscule.

  6. Eventually I guessed that many of the flatheads of North Hollywood are probably bodyguards and the like for the Russian oligarchs building those 50,000 square foot houses in Bel-Air. (Movie stars can barely afford to buy in some parts of the Hollywood Hills anymore because of all the Really Big Money moving in, often consisting, I would imagine, of a guy who got his big break because he knew a guy who knew Vlad.)

    This is bit OT, but I’ve always found this fascination with big & lavish houses rather strange.

    Why bother, what the big deal?

    I guess it’s the way more ordinary & unimaginative people display power – look at me, look what I have & where I live! How much have I accomplished!

    More mental (scientific & artistic) types who are world famous, like Einstein or Picasso, didn’t care much about houses (big or small); also, truly world shattering tyrants, from Caesar to Stalin.

    It is more mediocre & less genius power elites who have this fixation with “housing”, be it Versailles or Schoenbrunn. Or, at much lower level, modern plutocrats & similar moneyed people.

    If I’m some dumb pharaoh, I’ll build a pyramid; if I’m King Sun, I’ll build Versailles; if I’m a billionaire or big celebrity, I’ll build a mansion.

    But, if I’m Caesar, Michelangelo, Tolstoy, …- I don’t give a damn. Of course, if I’m Hitler- I’d be obsessed with building, building,… more than all pharaohs combined.

  7. inertial says:

    Eventually I guessed that many of the flatheads of North Hollywood are probably bodyguards and the like for the Russian oligarchs

    Could be. More likely, they were computer programmers, or accountants, or scientists, etc. But, you’ve been conditioned by decades of Hollywood movies to associate East Slavic phenotype with criminality.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
  8. @Colin Wright

    Funny you should mention this. Up in the Northwest you never see natives either. There are too many Californians, who are in the process of remaking the region in their image, what with all the sodomy and cowardice and such.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  9. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    So you took the train from Richmond that fell in a time you remember oh so well?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  10. Sean says:

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

    Says he was not Epstein’s bodyguard, just did driving in Palm Beach, because he lived in guest house as trainer. Epstein was into martial arts (and was into yoga as wall). Says Epstein had girlfriends in early twenties, he never saw young teen girls.

    Maybe taught Epstein the collar assisted sleeper hold he is likely to have used on himself if as seems to be the case he did not hang himself.

    http://www.beginningbjj.com/lesson-gi-choke-secret.html

    Frank Shamrock tapped out almost instantly in UFC 1 when choked by the Gi wearing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu maestro that was the lightest man in the competition. and won it. That was back when technique mattered more than being juiced to the gills.

  11. Eventually I guessed that many of the flatheads of North Hollywood are probably bodyguards and the like for the Russian oligarchs building those 50,000 square foot houses in Bel-Air.

    (((Russian oligarchs))). Fixed that for you.

    Here’s ‘Houdini’ in his own words:

    http://profc.com.ua/mma/mma-publikacii/635-igor-zinovev-odin-iz-pionerov-russkogo-mma-vspomnil-vse.html

    – Чем занимаетесь сейчас?

    – Тренирую, тренируюсь сам, работаю телохранителем. У меня есть американский паспорт, но я не американец.

    Translation is, they ask him what he’s doing these days. He says bodyguard and all that, and adds that he has an American passport, but that he isn’t American. lmao.

  12. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like Igor almost got killed in that fight. He was just a few inches away from that body slam slamming his head and neck directly onto the mat at an angle that would have broken his neck.

  13. I wonder if John Wick shooting all those Russkies was some kind of Hollywood revenge fantasy for getting priced out of the best neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Jesse
    , @Anonymous
  14. Hhsiii says:
    @International Jew

    Yeah, but that was his adopted Russian name. His real name was Apfelbaum.

    Igor Zinoviev looks like Daniel Craig.

    Btw, his name in German is awesome:

    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Jewsejewitsch_Sinowjew

    • Replies: @Lot
  15. Lot says:
    @Hhsiii

    Daniel Craig isn’t Jewish? What’s he doing playing a Jew and marrying one then!

  16. Tiny Duck says:

    And once again s white male is terrorizing the country

    In Philadelphia this time

    • Troll: Unladen Swallow
  17. You were expecting Paul Reiser with a nose job? Really? That’s very specific.

  18. He played a Jewish guy in Munich as well.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  19. @Unladen Swallow

    Correct, Jewish film producers tend to hire goyim (of both sexes) to play Jewish characters. These goyim represent how the Jews like to think of themselves and especially how they want the masses to think of them. That’s only been going on for about 80 or 90 years now.

    Just like the Russian bodyguard, and entirely unlike the Jeffrey Epsteins and Harvey Weinsteins of the world, these goyim don’t have to pay for sex.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  20. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    Were Hakan Rotmwrt not wrongly banned from twitter he could likely expound on the “flathead” topic.

    If Russia is as corrupt as go the common media tropes, why do its oligarchs think their fortunes are safer in the US and the West than in the motherland? Unless…

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  21. @Job La Salle

    ‘Funny you should mention this. Up in the Northwest you never see natives either. There are too many Californians, who are in the process of remaking the region in their image, what with all the sodomy and cowardice and such.’

    Ahem. Those would be the waves that drove me out.

    Let’s talk region. My ancestors came to the West Coast in 1864. Can you match that, or are you part of the degenerate vermin who submerged us?

    Probably 1910 logger trash… Do the females in your family run about two hundred pounds at maturity?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Bill P
  22. Shamrock looks like Fredo Cuomo.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Dave
    , @Simon Tugmutton
  23. newrouter says:

    Looking at his picture, “flathead” does comes to mind.

  24. Danindc says:
    @Dave

    I wrestled at a high level and don’t understand being knocked unconscious from that slam. Something very fishy about that.

    • Replies: @Dave
  25. JohnnyD says:

    This guy doesn’t look much like a talker, which is why Epstein probably hired him.

  26. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    “.. who got his big break because he knew a guy who knew Vlad.”

    Mr. Sailer, why only the occasional, fleeting disparagement? Seems very … Establishment, especially from someone insightful and fearless on other matters.

    I’m surely not alone in Noticing this, and wanting your candid take on RussiaGate.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Corvinus
  27. @Colin Wright

    “The actual number of people left in California with roots going back to the nineteenth century must be miniscule”. My family arrived in CA in the mid-1800’s, I still live here in the San Gabriel Valley, but wonder for how much longer. But where can you go without being in meth-head land? Maybe coastal Oregon?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  28. R.G. Camara says: • Website

    Makes you wonder: if you had to have a bodyguard for some reason, but you could only have one, who would you pick?

    My short list: Mike Tyson, The Undertaker, Brock Lesner, and that giant Russian Olympic wrestler dude who only lost one match and went on to become a Russian politican.

  29. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Do you ever patronize the Super King on Van Nuys at Sherman Way? Fewer Armenians and Russians, but good produce, meat, and international stuff.

  30. J.Ross says:
    @Bragadocious

    Or if “every Hollywood depiction of ethnic Russians and most Eastern Europeans outside of the Soviet detente period (eg Billion Dollar Brain) is a revenge fantasy for the Pale of Settlement period.”

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  31. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Versailles was a mechanism to keep the nobility busy (the Japanese had something vaguely similar, it’s a plot point in the Chushingura).

  32. JMcG says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Randall “Tex” Cobb. The outlaw biker from Raising Arizona.

  33. as soon as i saw it was him all i could think about was the body slam. saw it live when it happened.

  34. @R.G. Camara

    Alexandr Karelin aka The Experiment.

  35. Bill B. says:

    I thought Epstein’s thing was yoga?

    Igor doesn’t look the yoga type.

  36. Dave says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Frank Shamrock’s real last name is Juarez, he was adopted by Bob Shamrock, the man who also adopted a tough kid named Ken Kilpatrick. Ken later took the last name Shamrock and went on to pioneer MMA in the early UFC known as Ken Shamrock.

  37. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Wow, your ancestors came to California in the 1860s. So impressive. You should be very proud of your accomplishments which, insofar as I can tell, consist of your ancestors’ coming to California earlier than most.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  38. @R.G. Camara

    Makes you wonder: if you had to have a bodyguard for some reason, but you could only have one, who would you pick?

    My short list: Mike Tyson…

    Mike Tyson Says He Smokes $40,000 Worth of Weed Every Month

    • Replies: @Lot
  39. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Mike Tyson would lose badly to any decent MMA fighter. Also, you need someone sane and smart as your bodyguard. I’d pick someone with an SF background who was also an MMA fighter, like Tim Kennedy, or a SEAL with a BJJ background like Jocko Willink. Those guys don’t quit and have many more martial skills that a dumb boxer like Tyson or even Karelin can’t match.

    • Replies: @Tony
  40. 2020 election, both parties weaving, waiting for the opening to bodyslam. NeverTrumpers offer moral platitudes.

  41. ‘Parsing Bill,’ by Australian-American artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid.
    Found in a semi-secluded spot in Epstein’s NYC mansion.

    Can anyone actually make sense of this?
    Blue Dress. Creepy & bizarre.
    Just like Epstein I guess.

  42. Lot says:
    @PiltdownMan

    He doesn’t. He’s lying about this because he has a new weed company and wants the PR and to get a Snoop/Bob Marley pothead icon status.

    $40,000 a month would be 440 $3 joints a day, and $3 is on the extreme high side for someone in the legal weed industry. Wholesale cost in states with full legalization is about 20 cents.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  43. anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    Judging by that video of Boris getting taken out in seconds – he’d be a shit bodyguard.
    And also a middleweight. Really?

  44. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I’ve always found this fascination with big & lavish houses rather strange.

    Why bother, what the big deal?

    I guess it’s the way more ordinary & unimaginative people display power – look at me, look what I have & where I live! How much have I accomplished!

    If you are secretly well-off, and only you and your wife know it, and there are no other pesky relatives, then you can live like that. There was a book about this, The Millionaire Next Door, back when being a millionaire was rich.

    But really wealthy people have to worry about being kidnapped, about their kids being kidnapped. More distant relatives have to be given “The Talk” by the security staff: “No, your brother is not going to pay for your security or any ransom, so it behooves you to lay low. Google ‘kidnap victim beheadings’ for more information.”

    The expensive digs with the high wall or the gated community or the security or the penthouse condo: You’re kind of stuck with that.

    Here’s a story about a billionaire German heir who exscaped to Texas to live as a normal, “well-off” corporate attorney. The IRS created a SWAT team to go after billionaires to try to squeeze more taxes out of them. This guy didn’t really own them anything and managed to shake them off, but in the meantime was outed. So now he has to live as a billionaire, and boy is he pissed:

    The IRS Tried to Take on the Ultrawealthy. It Didn’t Go Well.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/ultrawealthy-taxes-irs-internal-revenue-service-global-high-wealth-audits

  45. Kronos says:

    He probably needed that bodyguard just before he died.

  46. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    As an aside, it’s very, very funny about Cuomo, who will for ever carry that name. How utterly galling for him.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  47. @Colin Wright

    “As the aliens have been pouring in, the aborigines have been getting out.”

    I first visited Seattle 30 years ago, and the local press and freesheets were full of complaints about the number of Californians moving up to Washington and Oregon.

  48. Bill P says:
    @Colin Wright

    My ancestors came out west in the 1840s. Mexican War, baby, My surname’s all over the mountain west in the names of mines, mountains, creeks and even one small city in Utah. Id move out to that area (I’m currently on the coast) but there’s almost nothing to to do in the mountain west besides farming or mining.

    But yeah, the California exodus is a problem for me right now. They’ve driven housing costs way up and as far as I can tell they contribute very little to the local economy besides jobs in elder care. Even worse, they have brought their mania for overregulation with them, killing jobs in fossil fuels and oil refining. Tom Steyer himself has been pumping money into the local greens in my little county.

    They are well aware that they are disliked by the locals, so I kind of almost feel a bit bad for them. It’s a crappy situation all around. We’re all kind of screwed, so I’m thinking about heading for the exit for a while myself, at least until the market cools off when the boomers start to sell.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @Colin Wright
  49. What I want to know about are not Epstein’s body guards, but his body doubles. Namely, where are they now?

  50. @Anon

    Ever been to 300,000 sf Blenheim Palace?

  51. BB753 says:
    @R.G. Camara

    One bodyguard is useless. You need a driver, a guy watching your back, two large guys at your side and a scout in the front, at the very least. All armed, and they don’t need to be MMA fighters. You really need tall burly guys who are smart and can shoot, not slow thinking and slow moving roided up fighters. That is, if they really want to kill you. Which goes to show that Epstein thought he was untouchable.

    • Replies: @Sean
  52. Jesse says:
    @Bragadocious

    Good point. On that note, I’ve always wondered how much the celebrity love in with BDS is a giant middle finger to the kind of Jews who run Hollywood. Both the people who point out that it’s posturing, and the people who bristle at calling them antisemites, have a point.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  53. @anonymous

    To doubt that Russia is the sole locus of evil in the contemporary world is not to say that Russia is above criticism.

    • Agree: Jesse, Dissident
  54. Jesse says:
    @Bill P

    So we can add “destroying domestic organic communities” to the list of open border’s crimes.

    I did once see Glenn Reynolds pontificate that of course the Californians were welcome. But they has to give up the left wing politics that had apparently made California so bad. (1) Lol. (2) Has no libertarian read any social history? Never spoken to people? Anyone sane can tell you people aren’t widgets. And thank god for that.

  55. Jesse says:
    @Lot

    Or he’s getting seriously cheated by his dealers. Or he’s trying to launch a seriously “high end” weed, and trying to give it the status of being what the achievers smoke. (Remember, there’s now 100% THC crystals, which are expensive for now and essentially meth.)

    It’s essentially a question of who’s cheating who here.

    On that note, I’d love to know how much the successful, high profile pot heads actually consume. Are they playing a role, or is weed less harmful for the tiny minority of seriously driven people who might benefit from less ambition?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  56. He looks like the love child of Johnny Unitas and Rod Blagojevich.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  57. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And that’s your candid take on RussiaGate? Noticeably similar to the skirting by Mr. Buchanan and Mr. Derbyshire.

    I encourage all — including the author — to reread Mr. Sailer’s “A Plea For Peace,” February 11, 2014.

  58. @Anonymous

    So, if you are a Russian oligarch, and you hold billions of dollars in oil or aluminum ore, deep in Siberia, but, because you are rich, you buy a 20 million house in places where famous poonani abuts, you are “hiding your fortune in the US”. They buy what is expensive anywhere in the world, unlike American oligarchs, who solely contribute to US elections and famously drink cherry-flavored Coke.

  59. @Lot

    I always thought that Daniel Craig looked Eastern European.

    • Replies: @Anonymous woman
  60. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Epstein or Igoranev ?

    You’ve, “been to the island” havent you….smh

  61. A little off topic but in the Chicago Area, the notorious Mannheim Strip, an area along Mannheim Road just south of O’Hare, was an area with open prostitution and other vices run by the Chicago Outfit from the 1950’s onward. There were attempts to clean it up and you would see a lot of Italian names in the local police blotter from time to time. By the 90’s though, the names in the blotter seemed to be more and more Russian and one of the biggest “clubs” along the strip suddenly had signage in Cyrillic lettering.

  62. @Colin Wright

    There were bumper stickers in Colorado in the 70s that said, “Don’t Californicate Colorado”. Didn’t work.

  63. @Simon Tugmutton

    It’s too bad that people can’t go out to dinner without being ambushed by the other side, but Cuomo thought this s**t was just dandy when it was happening to Mitch McConnell, Tucker Carlson, etc, so f**k him.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  64. @Anon

    May be true in post WW 2 world, J.P. Getty’s grandson (or something) comes to mind. Could be very well true that filthy rich people need to be cautious because of blackmail & kidnapping, something they wouldn’t bother about until WW2 (or WW1).

    Otherwise, really wealthy & powerful public figures were obsessed with it- but not the greatest. Churchill Marlborough could be into it; Napoleon- not so, even when he was in power. This was for him too small a fry.

    I recall reading his memoirs, where Napoleon explicitly says, re matters of religion, half- jokingly: When I die & we old warriors assemble in Heaven- Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, Frederick of Prussia and me, the earth will begin to shake of our mere powerful company.

    Evidently, such type of mind would not care at all about a mansion for himself.

  65. @Mike_from_SGV

    ‘ …I still live here in the San Gabriel Valley, but wonder for how much longer. But where can you go without being in meth-head land? Maybe coastal Oregon?’

    Well, my historical homeland was Northern California — the Bay Area, mostly. Speaking for myself, my only regret is that I didn’t make the decision to get out sooner.

    Central Oregon has been a vast improvement. I have to keep reminding myself that it’s not actually paradise; people can still be dicks, tradesmen can be incompetent, there are some vagrants, etc.

    …it’s just all a whole lot rarer…and I find myself being a nicer guy. Friendlier, giving strangers a hand, etc.

    …and finally, to be frank, it’s really neat to live in an area that’s still overwhelmingly white. Uniformity is our strength, and all that.

  66. Mulegino1 says:

    Boy, talk about the face of a prototypical Chekist or NKVD officer!

  67. I dunno … either that Russian was really not-too-tough, or there may have been a bit of kayfabe in that super-quick MMA double-leg takedown/’knockout’. The Russian’s head experienced very little trauma, the back of his head coming down on a soft, springy mat with no direct applied force.

    If you wanna see some head trauma, with (bonus!) some serious momentum involved, watch a ‘greatest hits’ video of rugby. And those guys (typically) bounce up, off the hard ground, and keep playing.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=greatest+hits+rugby&oq=greatest+hits+rugby&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.5081j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    [I don’t wanna recommend any specific video, since I don’t like the intermittent cheap shots highlighted, and the music generally sucks.]

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  68. MEH 0910 says:

  69. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow.

    Sure would like to have guys like this on our side, contesting Portland Streets with Antifa.

    Don’t see a lot of tough guys able to body guard, body slam coming out of Pat Robertson’s Liberty University or BYU.

    Also American Conservative Guns, Guns, Guns never seem to get used for anything productive in our conflicts.

    Would much prefer to have Russian/Ukrainian Cossacks using Pepper Spray and Cossack Whips like here where they drive off Pussy Riot:

    JR
    Left Behind in Chicago

  70. Sean says:
    @BB753

    Epstein had ripped off an old man in ladies clothes, not Carlos The Jackal.

    Igor looks like an ex con goon so maybe at the hearing where a girl witness was testifying and Epstein showed up he was brought along to look tough and help put her off, but he was more of a live in personal trainer for a MMA fan than there to protect Epstein or hut anyone for him. A bodyguard would not have dared to warn Epstein that he was too high profile being seen with girls for a man under indictment as Igor did. Epstein just mocked Igor, saying said ‘OK Grandma’. The Marc Richs of this world do not allow bodyguards to talk to them like that.

    Tony Figueroa is described by court documents as Epstein’s former bodyguard who was dating Virginia Roberts Giuffre when she was employed by Epstein.

  71. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    Considering that Wick is semi-Russian himself, no. He is from Belarus. His real name is Jardani Jovanovic, and John Wick is just his Anglified name that he uses for business reasons. The problem with Wick is that he is unable to forgive and forget, and not that he has any particular nationalisty that he despises. The head of the Russian mob in America, Viggo Tsarev, explains Wick’s character and personality: https://youtu.be/AIsRrSwZsl8

  72. @Tiny Duck

    This is one of Steve’s better Tiny Ducks.

  73. @Lot

    Daniel Craig isn’t Jewish? What’s he doing playing a Jew and marrying one then!

    Can’t hurt in Hollywood to fawn over the JEWS.

    Look at Gerard Butler and Gary Oldman doing their Hollywood whore boy routine for the JEWS.

    Mel Gibson went to the JEWS in Hollywood to finance and produce his Passion of the Christ movie, and the Hollywood JEWS told Melvin to go screw.

    Melvin produced it himself and made hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Message. Western Union. I don’t believe that crap the JEWS say about not sending messages in their crappy movies. The Hollywood JEWS send plenty of anti-White and anti-Christian messages in their movies.

    Roger Craig ain’t a JEW either, but that baby boomer bastard could play some football.

  74. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    My wife and I are both 4-generation Californians, but left the state forever in 1984. It was a really great place to grow up in; I was born in Fresno and my wife in Santa Cruz early 50s. There were also quite a few good manufacturing jobs available in the state for kids who graduated around 1970. Around 1980 (Reagan), Californians were handed 4 Kings and an Ace. California then began the slide to Third World status. Where were the adults, I always ask myself? For those who remember how unique San Francisco used to be, you can thank corporate Democrat hack Willie Brown for destroying that great city.

  75. @Mr McKenna

    Revealing. This is Epstein telling his fellow high society deviants that he owns Bill Clinton.

  76. @Colin Wright

    The actual number of people left in California with roots going back to the nineteenth century must be miniscule.

    This is a common “smart man’s error”. (Stupid men don’t know the word.)

    It’s minuscule, based on minus. From the script developed by monks. So think of monks, any you’ll get it (w)right.

    Or think of friars. Like, going back to the eighteenth century, Junípero Serra.

  77. @Bardon Kaldian

    Remember, Stalin couldn’t get it as large as he wanted because of Communism and all that. But his Sochi house was quite nice and spacious, all things considered.

    Only those that had/have the means can build it.

    Artists and creatives generally didn’t have the money. They had to rely on patrons (who definitely had the means). Michelangelo had to work for the Pope and the Medicis. Both, especially the Medicis, had quite nice cribs to live in, and to live large.

    But don’t go fooling yourself that Caesar, once he got finished with conquering and settled down, wouldn’t have built himself a nice palatial palace near Capri. Come on.

  78. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’m the love child of Mia Farrow and Roman Polanski. We all have our cross to bear.

    • LOL: Liza
  79. @Reg Cæsar

    Actually a better word than minuscule would be infinitesimal.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  80. The Russian slang term for hired muscle, “flathead…”

    Chester Gould had it first.

  81. @Bill P

    ‘But yeah, the California exodus is a problem for me right now. They’ve driven housing costs way up and as far as I can tell they contribute very little to the local economy besides jobs in elder care.’

    That is one aspect of it all.

    Around here, the population definitely contains a disproportionate number of retirees. It’s kind of interesting to consider their economic impact, though.

    After all, we must be bringing in personal assets of an average of about a good million dollars per couple, spending some of it each year, and not competing for jobs or business. Are we good or bad for everyone else?

    I mean, think about it. Ian, the mechanic next door who just set up his own shop, doesn’t have to worry that I’m going to open a competing shop; he just gets to fix my car too. I was watching one of the local movers — they were pretty disgustingly slow by my standards, but I’m not about to re-enter the moving business, so they don’t need to worry. The grocery store, the plumber, the air conditioning firm — they all get my business, but no one’s losing any business to me.

    I’ll grant I’m not as cute as your average twenty-something any more — but other than that?

  82. J.Ross says:
    @Mr McKenna

    The key here is that Epstein would actually have Bill himself over somewhat regularly, and this is the funniest (or most affecting) thing you could possibly have innocently set up in the background of a room into which you were about to bring Bill Clinton.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  83. @Colin Wright

    Some Ecuadorians just moved in to wreck my parents’ suburban backwoods neighborhood. And they dared to give me crap because I didn’t speak Spanish. The gall. And I didn’t tell them to go back where they came from. Because they probably carry guns. And you people worry about blacks. Sheesh. Immigrants are the problem. And in my town, it’s the Hispanics who are killing everybody at the rate of one a day.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  84. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “I’m surely not alone in Noticing this, and wanting your candid take on RussiaGate.”

    Because he already has NOTICED the trends and has chosen to sit this one out. The more he remains silent on the matter, the more he knows that the Mueller investigation and the subsequent investigations stemming from it are legitimate.

  85. Ibound1 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Epstein was a pimp with the taste of a pimp.

  86. @Colin Wright

    Old time residents of Austin TX complain about the influx of Californians to their once fair city. The Californians received astronomical prices for their homes when they left and assumed they could buy the equivalent home in Austin for half the price. That worked for awhile but now Austin’s home prices match California’s. Austin TX has a liberal mayor and city council that would challenge any in California for sheer lunacy. They recently voted that the homeless could camp out just about anywhere they wanted except on the lawn at city hall. The one time fair city of Austin ain’t so fair anymore.

  87. @Mr McKenna

    Can anyone actually make sense of this?
    Blue Dress. Creepy & bizarre.

    A joke – signaling an intimate buddy relationship. And as a joke, it is a cover-up***. Which most likely was intended to even strengthen the buddy-relationship. –

    Partners in Crime…(Jagger/Richards).

    *** We – abusers of anything female? Never. We ourselves are females – deep down inside, see! So, no way we should have abused these heavenly creatures…

    Plus: This picture resembles – Hillary – this is just another deeply aggressive layer of it. And intentionally so, I’d assume. – This whole scene reflects the Uneasiness in Culture (Dr. Freud// William S. Burroughs)

  88. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Everyone knows that any criticism of Russia must be based on ((ethnic)) grounds. All of Russia’s neighbors – Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, etc. have only nice things to say about Russian friendship. They miss the old days and can’t wait for the Russians to come visit them again. You don’t know what it’s like to have guests in your home until you’ve had Russian guests. Their hospitality is unspeakable.

  89. Jack D says:
    @Jesse

    THC crystals are not “essentially meth” other than the fact that they are both in crystalline form. It’s a completely different drug. It’s no more crystal meth than a bottle of Everclear is crystal meth – it’s just a very pure form of that particular drug. The dose makes the poison. A certain (small) quantity of Everclear is equivalent to drinking a beer or a glass of wine and a certain (small) quantity of THC crystals are equivalent to smoking a joint.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Neil Templeton
  90. Jack D says:
    @Simply Simon

    People are always moving from Tragic Dirt to Magic Dirt but they just seem to bring the Tragic Dirt with them and they never seem to understand why the new paradise is ruined.

    I’m reading a book now about the history of the banana and the American fruit companies in Central America. Their plantations kept dying from disease and the solution was always to abandon that plantation and start a new one on virgin land. But usually the new one would succumb to disease in very short order. In part this was inevitable because it’s almost impossible to introduce disease resistance into bananas because they do not breed sexually and cannot be crossed to introduce new traits. But the disease epidemics would break out much sooner than necessary because the banana companies refused to take precautions to prevent disease spores from being spread – they just couldn’t wrap their heads around the idea that they were taking the disease with them when they would pull up roots and bring all the old farm equipment, etc. to the new plantation.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  91. Ibound1 says:
    @J.Ross

    Hollywood loved the commies. I don’t remember any anti-Russian mainstream Hollywood movies when they were commies. Maybe I missed them. It was all Nazis.

  92. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Pharmacalogically you are right, but in terms of how this is going to help American society compete with China, he’s right.

  93. “No neck” would be another apt term.
    Not hired for his brain.

  94. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    There’s criticism of Russia and then there is constant, programmatic, artificial-looking, and out-sticking hysteria, just about Russia and not about, say, countries that are more connected to us, more powerful, more threatening, or more economically significant. It looks an awful lot like what the neocons were doing in the late cold war.

  95. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Actually a better word than minuscule would be infinitesimal.

    Exactly. Actual minuscules are about half the size of majuscules.

  96. @Mike Zwick

    He looks like an unpleasantly aging Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine. He ruined Bond for me.

  97. @Bardon Kaldian

    More mental (scientific & artistic) types who are world famous, like Einstein or Picasso, didn’t care much about houses (big or small); also, truly world shattering tyrants, from Caesar to Stalin.

    Olof Palme lived in a drab apartment. But he was important enough that somebody wanted him dead.

    As for Picasso, he didn’t amount to much himself, but his innovations eventually culminated in Peppa Pig. The Chinese know this, and are showing pernicious Peppa the door:

    popular Chinese video app for association with counterculture
    8
    The British cartoon pig is seen as becoming a subversive ‘gangster’ icon

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  98. syonredux says:

    Off-topic intrusion from the dept. of White erasure:

    So, Dorothy is….South Asian? Alice is….Hapa? And Wendy, for unknown reasons, gets to stay European….

    And it’s written by Andy Weir, the guy who wrote The Martian….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @J.Ross
    , @Cloudbuster
  99. @Jesse

    If it comes out of Hollywood, it is always a staged production.
    Actors always working from a script.

    Sean Penn in a boat in New Orleans. Playing a part.
    Celebrities, out and about, setting fashion trends, talking politics, and lifestyle advertising.
    How else would you get normal women to wear yoga pants in public?
    [Cracked me up, when in the corporate exercise center, black women would wear the de rigor yoga pants, then wrap a shirt around their waist to hide their butt cheeks.]

    Supporting BDS with words in public, and actually going to the various legislative bodies and standing up and testifying against making BDS illegal, are two different things. I’m not sure what their angle is, but it is an angle.

  100. @Simply Simon

    ‘…Austin TX has a liberal mayor and city council that would challenge any in California for sheer lunacy. They recently voted that the homeless could camp out just about anywhere they wanted except on the lawn at city hall. The one time fair city of Austin ain’t so fair anymore.’

    Here in Oregon, the invaders have managed to seize control of Portland and Eugene — and that, unfortunately, suffices to give them control of the state.

    Seriously. Our bisexual governess — America’s first! — carried only those two cities and won the election. So we’re a ‘sanctuary state’ and all the rest of it.

    On the plus side, umm, err…

    Well, there’s been a certain joy in watching the local attempts at a ‘Pride Parade’ crash and burn. Here, we went 66% for Trump, 25% for the Hillary-thing.

  101. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    The hell with their races. I want to know what happened to those poor girl’s noses? I’m not going to rest until I find the culprit who mutilated these poor girls in such a horrible way.

    Or is the cartoonist trying to suggest that having a small schnozz is “cute”? I think THAT is racist in itself. NY and CA already have laws banning discrimination based upon “natural hairstyles”. I think we need a law banning discrimination based upon natural nosestyles. No longer should ethnic girls (even ethnic cartoon characters) be forced to undergo radical rhinoplasty merely to conform to majority expectations.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  102. @Steve Sailer

    ‘To doubt that Russia is the sole locus of evil in the contemporary world is not to say that Russia is above criticism.’

    Yeah. Morally, I’d rank Russia somewhere around Iran, and practically, I’d advise about the same response.

    Pending developments, ignore them.

  103. @Mr McKenna

    William Jefferson Clinton was gay. The alleged rapes and the Oval Office blowjobs were staged events. He wasn’t the first gay POTUS with a manufactured womanizing persona.
    He married a lesbian, because their coupling was for politics,, not for a real relationship.
    Their spawn does not resemble Bill, as much as she resembles Webster Lee Hubbell.
    Monica and the blue dress was to keep the Public occupied during the illegal war in Bosnia.
    With a couple of other names mentioned as guests of Epstein, evidently young females weren’t the only offerings available.

    Limited hangout. They are outing the perverts as exclusively hetero.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  104. @Jim from Boston

    I dunno … either that Russian was really not-too-tough, or there may have been a bit of kayfabe in that super-quick MMA double-leg takedown/’knockout’. The Russian’s head experienced very little trauma, the back of his head coming down on a soft, springy mat with no direct applied force.

    If you watch it closely, it looks like Shamrock came down on top of Igor with his right shoulder under Igor’s chin. He landed on that shoulder, applying his full body weight to the right side of Igor’s face just underneath the jawline. I think that would be sufficient to knock someone out. The Russian is plenty tough insofar as he did not end up with a life-ending aneurysm from the pressure.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jim from Boston
  105. @HammerJack

    It always seemed strange to me that the two movies about Moses, allegedly the greatest of all Jews, had totally goyish Charleton Heston and Burt Lancaster to play the big heeb.

    Conversely, movies with Nazi villains usually had Jews do the role. Think of Otto Preminger in wartime propaganda movies. Or Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz (clown roles) in the only sitcom that will likely never be made into a movie.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  106. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    The ongoing war against the aesthetically superior high nose-bridge is another symptom of Western degeneracy:

  107. If you read the whole article, it sounds like ol’ Igor is geting a leeeetle nervous…

  108. Dave says:
    @Danindc

    I’ve also wrestled competitively and you know that would be considered an illegal slam in folkstyle, but not freestyle or greco. I’ve had the wind knocked out of me by high amplitude throws in practice, and this slam was done to Igor with extreme prejudice. Nothing fishy. That slam shattered Igor’s collar bone, and knocked him out in the process. Frank detailed how he drilled that exact slam in response to Igor rushing in as he always did. Frank capitalized on Igor’s game and drove all of his 200 pounds straight into Igor’s neck and chest. Perfect placement and timing resulted in a quick victory.
    Igor admits it ended his career.

    • Replies: @Danindc
  109. J.Ross says:
    @syonredux

    Alan Moore did it better.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  110. @syonredux

    You get pretty tan working all day in the field under the hot Kansas sun!

  111. @Mr McKenna

    Monica Lewinski had a blue dress. I’m sure it’s no coincidence.

  112. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s guilt by association!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  113. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross

    I’m sure that the late Jeffrey Epstein would have agreed….

  114. @Hamlet's Ghost

    It always seemed strange to me that the two movies about Moses, allegedly the greatest of all Jews, had totally goyish Charleton Heston and Burt Lancaster to play the big heeb.

    That isn’t strange at all. In life, that’s what he looked like. The Burt Lancaster portrayal, in particular, is a very close resemblance to the actual Moses.

    Remember, the Old Testament Jews who remained faithful were just Christians avant la lettre; the were not “heebs.” The physiognomy of he modern Rabbinical Jews, like their religion, has nothing in common with that of their illustrious predecessors.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Dissident
  115. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Simply Simon

    Austin has died.

    I lived there not so long ago and it was quite a city.

    But it was not only the massive immigration from the liberal fools from California that killed the city.

    The honorable George Bush and the whores in the state legislature who opened up the greenspace around the city to “development” in opposition to the wishes of the people of Austin played a significant role as well.

    A familiar story.

    Sad. Really, really sad.

  116. @Jack D

    Don’t leave out the Finns!

  117. @Jack D

    Sounds like the Republican Party, circa 2019.

  118. @Jack D

    How do we crystallize discontent?

  119. Jack D says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The Burt Lancaster portrayal, in particular, is a very close resemblance to the actual Moses.

    I know that some posters here are very old, but did you know Moshe personally?

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  120. @SaneClownPosse

    You’re a looney. Your moniker needs adjusting.

  121. @Jack D

    That was pitch-perfect until your last sentence. Hospitality is a characteristic of hosts. Is there a single word that means “gracious guest”? There ought to be one…

  122. Not Raul says:

    I hope that the interview doesn’t get the old MMA guy killed. He seems like a nice guy. I would be very concerned if I were him. If powerful people can suicide Epstein and get away with it, dealing with an old Russian body guard with maximum discretion is nothing.

  123. @Cloudbuster

    Jim Henson had great success pairing a frog with a pig. Perhaps the alliterative team of Pepe and Peppa are just what is needed to topple China’s fixation with bad Western philosophy.

  124. Danindc says:
    @Dave

    Ok fair enough. That makes sense. Shamrock was a badass.

  125. @Intelligent Dasein

    If you watch it closely, it looks like Shamrock came down on top of Igor with his right shoulder under Igor’s chin. He landed on that shoulder, applying his full body weight to the right side of Igor’s face just underneath the jawline. I think that would be sufficient to knock someone out. The Russian is plenty tough insofar as he did not end up with a life-ending aneurysm from the pressure.

    If you watch closely, it looks like…” How about…

    If you wrestled and played rugby hundreds of times (and watched an order-of-magnitude more of the same), and never ever saw someone getting knocked out cold through a double-leg takedown or tackle … and then saw it happen mere seconds into an MMA bout, you’d wonder as well.

    As far as life-ending thru pressure… The only pressure was downward with the shoulder, practically all on the chest (which could ‘knock the wind out’ of the recipient, but that didn’t happen). The chin and head were largely unaffected. Practically all ‘knockouts’, in any sport, are painfully obvious, not gently nuanced.

    Then again, I guess, why would I ever doubt the credibility of a close associate of the late Jeffrey Epstein?

  126. Dissident says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The physiognomy of he modern Rabbinical Jews, like their religion, has nothing in common with that of their illustrious predecessors.

    Nothing. Not a thing.

    Sure…

  127. @Anon

    Thanks for the link, Mr Anon. That was a great read, not a word of which surprised me much. [Though some of the dollar amounts were shocking.] My wealthiest friend–a financier with an eight-figure income–has never once been audited. Meanwhile most small businessmen I know (myself included) expect to be audited by some combination of state, federal, and local authorities most if not all years.

    In my own case the audits have never produced substantial revenue for the government but have been almost ruinous in terms of the cost of compliance. The government agents, of course, are paid a regular salary no matter how much or how little they bring in. Sometimes I think it’s just busy work on their part, as the audits have returned pennies per hour for them.

    The IRS and state tax authorities know better than to audit my wealthy friend: he’ll just throw his (expensive and highly-skilled) lawyers at them, and relish the fight, which will not end until he wins. So the tax man focuses on the little guy.

    https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/eitc-audit

  128. @Bardon Kaldian

    The great Gilded Age Vanderbilt mansions were, I believe, mostly built by Cornelius’ grandchildren.

    On the same note, they arguably represent major artistic achievements in their own right.

  129. Tony says:
    @anon

    Not so fast. One shot from Tyson and youre down and out. Youre talking about a guy with awsome power and speed, at least in his prime anyway.

  130. @J.Ross

    Honestly, I have trouble imagining a scenario in which Epstein would have permitted Bill to see that painting. Though I’ve read some of the other explanations offered here and I freely admit I have zero insight into their relationship.

  131. Tony says:
    @R.G. Camara

    “and that giant Russian Olympic wrestler dude who only lost one match and went on to become a Russian politican.”
    Almost sounds like Valuev, the neanderthal looking 7 ft boxer who became a politician.

  132. Austin has died.

    Austin will certainly reach the million mark in next April’s census. As Yogi Berra said of his favorite restaurant in St Louis*, “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

    *St Louis now has one-third the population of Austin. In Yogi’s heyday, 1950, it peaked at 856,000 and was over six times the size of Austin.

  133. DoorFace says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I know.
    My parents have money. So they built this huge house. I don’t even bother cleaning it anymore. Why? More space, more mess. I see them spend an inordinate part of their free time cleaning and maintaining thos damed house. It’s such a waste.
    Last time I moved out it was a tiny little place, but holy cow! So easy to clean up.
    “The things you own end up owning you.”
    Big houses are fool’s gold.

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