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  1. dearieme says:

    Did anyone seriously expect he’d survive to stand trial? If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

  2. Forbes says:

    To be on “suicide watch” means they watch you commit suicide…

  3. As a general rule I try never to attribute to malice or chicanery what can be attributed to incompetence. But in this case… Maybe a thorough investigation of the finances of the person or people who decided to lift the suicide watch (assuming that report is correct) is in order.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Svigor
    , @Paul Jolliffe
  4. It’s very, very interesting how many normies aren’t buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

  5. Cortes says:

    When even Colonel Lang over at his turcopolier blog is remarking about the scepticism of an old spook and how his Arabs joked about “prison ‘flu” there may be a chunk of indigestible gristle which could trigger violent up chucking.

  6. A quick scan of headlines show that the majority of them contain the word ‘suicide.’ The ones that don’t contain it seem to be pointed towards immediately dismissing any conspiracy theories as ridiculous and vindictive plots aimed at the sterling reputation of the Clinton cabal.

  7. CNN and MSNBC find this story to be so boring. Too bad he has a Jewish name or they could have pawned him off as one of us.

  8. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Cui bono?

  9. Johnny789 says:

    Wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation?

  10. He was suicided. My only surprise was that it didn’t come before the first document tranche.

    Somehow the other documents will be accidentally lost or ruined, by accident.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Svigor
  11. !!**** Donald J. Trump Retweeted ****!!

  12. Thoughts?

    For a moment, forget that freak. It’s SkyKing day.

  13. The Manhattan neighborhood where the Metropolitan Correctional Center is located is telling.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    , @Cagey Beast
  14. Ibound1 says:

    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

  15. Hail says: • Website

    Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein’s death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and — zany coincidence here — occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was “malfunctioning.”

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”

  16. The truly disturbing thing was that he was taken off suicide watch beforehand. Now we can’t be sure if NYC gaolers think suicide watch means watch this guy kill himself or not.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  17. Hail says: • Website

    Former Trump speechwriter and pro-American commentator Darren Beattie on the proper reaction to the Epstein death:

    Darren J. Beattie 🌐
    @DarrenJBeattie

    If our country wasn’t a joke, there would be a Mueller level probe into Epstein’s “suicide” that included extensive investigations into whether he was involved with a foreign intelligence agency — and which one.

    Chances of this happening?

  18. Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

    Trump retweeted this.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @R.G. Camara
    , @Gordo
    , @c matt
  19. Anon[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Just when the names start coming out: Bill Richardson, Al Gore, George Mitchell, a hedge fund billionaire whose name escapes me, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, a Prime Minister of this-or-that European Country………..

    and then three mass shootings when all the security cameras seem to have captured nothing (no video from a WalMart?) of three young white
    nutjob guys, two of whom are dead, two of whom were Democrats and one a Satanist. That got you to forget Epstein.

    Once you forgot him, he conveniently (Arkancides?) himself in prison……….while on suicide watch.

    The pedo island has had an underground fire also apparently, as much of the buildings on pedo island had subterannean levels connected to one another…….now probably burned up (the hidden cameras, physical restraints for human beings, possibly some sort of incenerator for human remains for the pesky girl or two who wanted to leave and had a big mouth).

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. Seriously though, it’s nice of you to give the cynical commenters here, as that former Baltimore Mayor said, “room to destroy,” but I’m sure we’re all curious to hear your opinion about the matter.

  21. Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    Bill Clinton’s bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

  22. @Cagey Beast

    Hopefully.

    Americans are such naive, gullible dupes. They’ll believe any BS that the media/political elites feed them.

    I hope that this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and finally teaches Americans the true nature of their ruling class. Americans need to learn to accept that assassinations, conspiracies, and corruption are normal behavior at the top.

    Epstein did not commit suicide. He was killed. Hopefully, Americans realize this and demand a true investigation into all of this.

  23. Hail says: • Website
    @Lawyer Guy

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  24. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    First they staged an event in his jail cell two weeks ago.

    He gets sent to the hospital. Photos are taken of him on a gurney.

    Now they use those same photos of him on the gurney then and claim them as proof of his body being transported to the coroner today.

    Faked death. Shipped out to Israel by Mossad.

    There are substances that give a person the symptoms and appearance of death.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Paul Jolliffe
  25. Hopscotch says:

    If Trump were interested in “winning”, as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery — ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc — that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

    This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein’s suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

  26. @Lot

    Pizzagate is real.

    In one of the e-mails sent to Podesta (which was revealed by Wikileaks), there’s a discussion of three children. The ages of the three children are discussed, as is the possibility of the children going into the pool. The children are also referred to as “entertainment.”

    If that’s not pedophilia, I don’t know what is.

    See Tweet below.

    In what normal circumstances do you refer to three children (who are not yours) as “entertainment.” What non-pedophile explanation is there?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone

    “Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Lot
    , @Anon
  28. Alden says:
    @Forbes

    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Alden
  29. Hail says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

    Typical Blumpfian demagoguery.

    The predictable follow-up act is: He is ‘Monitoring’ the Situation.

    Big Talk, No Action. — No. Scratch that: Big talk, then long periods of do-nothing-ism, punctuated by sporadic actions that are the precise opposite of what you promised.

  30. 95Theses says:

    Thoughts?

    Are we playing it safe, Steve? ツ

    Conspiracy theories pose a new domestic terrorism threat, according to a secret FBI document
    2019, August 01 | Sonam Sheth
    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-document-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism-threat-2019-8

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  31. J.Ross says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Then it’s kind of happy and on-topic. Yes Epstein’s [comical vaudeville music] “suicide” [/cvm] protects the scum on the top as happened with the DC Madam, but being that this is the Day of Barrel Rolling, it’s a fitting resistance coincidence that one of theirs bought it as we remember one of ours. Roland has air support now.

  32. @JohnnyWalker123

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  33. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    Even when we have images of their faces because they all gaggled together and milled around in front of an unhidden security camera?

  34. Alden says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch
    And who knows it might be a report by an affirmative action moron psych tech the psychiatrist relies on. IF, and its a big if, the affirmative action moron can write a coherent end of third grade sentence

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @jack daniels
  35. Kronos says:
    @Ibound1

    “According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the “Lolita Express” a total of 27 times. “Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not,” according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff – who first revealed the former president’s extensive flights on Epstein’s “lolita express” in a 2010 Daily Beast exposé.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-apparent-suicide

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US. I don’t know who the Clintons use but they’re first rate for sure. Ninja Assassins maybe?

    • Replies: @dearieme
  36. 22pp22 says:

    My deceased parents, aunts and grandparents all said they could remember exactly what they were doing, how they felt and where they were when they heard that WW2 had broken out.

    Now I understand exactly what they meant.

    The people in control of our lives are so diabolical that they would not even find a place in hell.

    All doubt has now been removed.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  37. 95Theses says:
    @Clifford Brown

    And Roman Polanski, to boot! How apropos!

  38. Alden says:
    @Johnny789

    Oh gross and icky.

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @jen1
  39. Hey guys…

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @fnn
    , @Lagertha
    , @Kronos
  40. Hail says: • Website
    @Alden

    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the “suicide.”

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the “do it late Friday evening” trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

  41. I’m more interested in which Jewish patriot takes over Epstein’s role.

  42. And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or “psych specialists”.

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam’s Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

  43. Lot says:
    @Hail

    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

  44. Epstein seems to have lived a good, full life. Except for not having children.

    Sexual conduct with underage girls is wrong.

    I am not interested in conspiracy theories unless there is stronger evidence.

    • Disagree: Hail
  45. Kronos says:
    @22pp22

    Wait, where were you at 9/11?

    • Replies: @22pp22
  46. J.Ross says:

    No “dead man switch” data drop? That might explain why this took so long. The loose ends tied in advance.

  47. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Right you are some kind of super carefully calibrated dose of tetrodotoxin in a federal detention center.

  48. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

    Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

    I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Alden
  49. @Flip

    “Mossad” –

    – or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.

  50. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    So how did he shoo the guards and deactivate the cameras?

  51. Cortes says:
    @Hail

    Especially difficult on Saturday morning for orthodox personnel to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner.

    • LOL: Alden
  52. @JohnnyWalker123

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.

    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Cato
  53. JimB says:

    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Counterinsurgency
  54. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    All this would be tolerable if we were talking about a hotel room or a prison that had had suicides ever before in its history.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  55. @Hail

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.

    No, no, Epstein’s financier, Les Wexner, is the owner of Victoria Secret, PINK and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

    • LOL: Kyle
    • Replies: @Hail
  56. TWS says:
    @Flip

    The vile crap that Clinton had to have gotten up to on Epstein island is too much. They had to keep a lid on it.

    Mossad, why would they care? Even if he was their asset they would still have all the dirt he dished.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  57. If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  58. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Dear Jonathan, sometimes bad people say things indirectly, in code, or in argot, to avoid making their criminal activities obvious. 16 is age of consent pretty widely so why not just write out a clearer message with fewer characters?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  59. Kronos says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.”

    If so, any bets on the brand of toilet paper?

    P.S. it’s random, but has anyone else noticed that toilet rolls are getting thinner and smaller as (regardless of brand) the years go by? (Maybe it’s just my fat a$# getting bigger.)

    • Replies: @Gentle Hysteric
  60. Lot says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

  61. @Anonymous

    There are rumors about Tim McVeigh’s death – one witness claimed that he was still breathing (albeit very shallow breaths) AFTER he was pronounced “dead.”

    Was McVeigh “posthumously”smuggled out of prison because he was the ultimate provocateur/insider/intelligence operative up to that point?

    Here’s Susan Carlson from Chicago’s WLS-AM radio and an eyewitness to McVeigh’s “execution”:

    SUSAN CARLSON: No fear – no fear whatsoever. No, no statement, no verbal statement – nothing to say. They, they did offer him the opportunity to speak, and I think everybody was waiting with bated breath… for what he was about to say, and he remained stone cold silent, stared directly at the ceiling, stoic, stoically, after he had made a point looking at all of us, he looked at the ceiling, he laid back down, and from that point on, he had no expression whatsoever. In fact, it was hard to even tell when he had passed on, because, of his shallow breathing – or what appeared to be shallow breathing – continued, even after they pronounced him dead, and his eyes remained open the entire time – I don’t even think he blinked – and he died with his eyes open.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  62. The Trump era seems to be cracking open the existing Establishment like a rotten coconut. The craziness is just starting, I fear. This ride is not going to be fun. What happens when the people running a massive pyramid scheme stop trusting one another?

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  63. 22pp22 says:

    The only difference between New York today and Manila in 1983 is that the Filipinos had the balls to chase the Marcos crime family out of the country.

  64. • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  65. @Hail

    The chances are roughly similar to those of the NYT, WaPo, CNN and MSNBC clamoring to get their hands on the thousands of VIP pedophile pictures and videos taken from Epstein’s safe, so they can distribute them as widely as possible while speaking in very serious tones about Our Democracy and the public’s right to know.

    Oh well, maybe Julian Assange can Wikileak the stuff. Oh, wait…

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  66. “Thank heaven for little girls… “

  67. @Hail

    sfx: Hillary cackle + Echo

  68. Hail says: • Website
    @Clifford Brown

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

    Conceded.

    And the classic, LatAm ‘banana republics’ were owned by the CIA.

    Or at least the latter had ‘veto power’ over the former.

    It feels like we are the new banana republic, in that we don’t seem to have control over our own affairs, and an outside force intervenes to keep us on the intended path. Always.

    Trump also bears all the hallmarks of the classic banana-republic demagogue, frankly, and we all knew it going in. It turns out he was kind of an elaborate political con artist (perhaps moreso than the usual ‘demagogue,’ but still). There are lots of parallels, and this without even mentioning “banana republic demographics…”

  69. Alden says:
    @Hail

    My Mom was about 20 Pearl Harbor Day. She thought it was a radio play like Orson Welles War of the Worlds because it was on Sunday when most people aren’t at work and in December when most people stay inside.

    I wonder if it will be front page headlines Sunday.

  70. @Jonathan Mason

    Unless you worked at this particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  71. “Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself. ”

    Your Devil’s Advocate shtick would carry more water if there was any pattern established among enormously rich and powerful narcissistic men committing suicide after arrest and or conviction for sex crimes.

    I’m mean, at this point he was more likely to request a sex change based on Sailer’s theory about rich powerful Alphas going tranny post middle age.

    But if anything he probably believed that he could beat the case just based on who he was.

    Based on what we are seeing already in the immediate reactions on SM, there’s a serious effort to (((circle the wagons))) from all sides.

    You’d be wise to pick a better battle to fight. There’s no believable way he killed himself.

  72. Wow, the people who are constantly running interference for a certain country and it’s ethnics and who are hand waving this as no big deal are looking like one big circle on the Venn Diagram.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Lot
  73. Kyle says:
    @Ibound1

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    -Ibound1

    This is succinct.

  74. @Jonathan Mason

    Then why not say 16?

    They’re clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to “speak Russian.”

    No reason to say “2 x 8” to indicate a 16 year old. There’s something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

    The “2 x 8” and “speak Russian” phrases are of a very ominous nature.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @R.G. Camara
  75. Epstein was either killed by Big Jew or had his death faked by Big Jew. That’s my conspiracy theory.

  76. J.Ross says:
    @95Theses

    If this is the same FBI that refuses to do anything about leftists or Muslims then I’m shaking in my boots.

  77. tyrone says:
    @Flip

    Maybe it was something much more dangerous ……arkancide!

  78. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Toilet paper may have been because of diarrhea due to the stress of everything crashing down after he’d received a nothing sentence the first time he was convicted.

    And since when do prison guards do maintenance on cameras or any other kind of maintenance? They don’t.

  79. Succint analysis I’ve seen:

    “Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. @Lot

    Have you or have you not seen Epstein’s will yet?

  81. 8ch got shut down because it was posting Epstein docs from someone with access.

    They had someone on the island taking pictures of that weird temple ffs. You really think “inciting violence” was the reason?

  82. A little comic relief.

    • Replies: @Gunner
  83. I’m not one for conspiracy theories of any sort, and even in this case I’m leaning more towards “not a conspiracy theory,” but I find myself having doubts. That said, there are a few things that I can’t really reconcile:

    1. He had attempted suicide before very recently, and this is a high profile case, so he should be under constant surveillance. He’s so high-value (both financially and criminally) that no matter the cost, he would be constantly under surveillance. There should be no way that this guy just slips through the cracks and offs himself. The level of incompetence required to make this happen might only be seen in the most corrupt African countries.

    2. He had attempted suicide before very recently, so why would someone else attempt to assist him or kill him? This is one of those “if you’re going to kill the king, don’t miss” type situations. Had he died in the first attempt, it would be plausible that it was suicide; but a second attempt in such close succession? This would make it obvious that someone was out to kill him, and ruin the entire clandestine nature of it. Chances of the assassin (and assassination plot) being found out are much greater.

    I don’t quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone else did it.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  84. Alden says:
    @Lot

    Jews don’t work in jails except as shrinks and some losers as group therapists yoga teachers something like that. It’s been an affirmative action job for a long time especially in a 20 percent black city like NYC.

  85. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @Hail

    As a counter-weight to your argument—and it is a good one—there is a “new” second media cycle, Thursday-Sunday.

    The old media cycle was that Sunday/Monday set the tone for the week, and then by Thursday night/Friday morning, everyone in the corporate media was tired and ready for the weekend, and the audience presumably was as well, so things died. This is why Sunday morning news shows (such as Meet The Press) were so important, even though they were all taped Thursday and Friday: they set the tone for the week.

    But the internet has upended this, making Thurday-Sunday a new cycle. Lot of non-lefty dudes at home on the weekend making YouTube streams and blog posts about their hate of the Leftism of the day.

    Trump has capitalized on this new cycle number of times, so I don’t think its by accident; he’ll do or say something either late Thursday or on Friday at a rally, and it resets the tone in his favor. He did this strikingly when he called out Sweden’s terrorism at a rally on either a Thursday or a Friday.

    • Replies: @Hail
  86. @Lot

    Pedophiles don’t “kill” themselves.

    Pedophiles typically have many accomplices. It’s a well known fact a considerable number of powerful men participate in these pedophile rings. When one guy gets caught, he becomes the fall guy and takes the blame. If it looks like he might turn, he gets “suicided” before he can talk.

    Given what happened to Epstein today, is it really so implausible that other molesters could’ve been killed in jail by assassins? Given how low-profile most of those cases are in general, it’d be so much easier to get away with assassinations.

    I find it breathtaking that even with all this public attention, Epstein couldn’t have been prevented from committing “suicide.”

  87. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight—-

    Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Buck Ransom
  88. @JohnnyWalker123

    There’s a lot of people suddenly stubbornly, disingenuously obtuse, aren’t there?

    There are also a lot of people very uncomfortable with the fact a global cabal of satanic pedophiles rule over us.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  89. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    He should have been on an Arkencide watch.

  90. @dearieme

    his being “discovered” and rushed to hospital may have been…

    smuggled out of jail.

    notice the absence of details of the first incident and the latter? what did he hang himself with, for example?

    • Replies: @Hail
  91. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “Russian” is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like “Greek” is slang for anal sex.

  92. @Flip

    Did the intelligence agency that was running Epstein really believe that he’d never be arrested and pressured to squeal?
    Didn’t they have a back-up plan in case he was sent to jail? After all, Epstein was dodging serious charges for years, so the possibility of getting picked up again was not that remote.

    Would Epstein have been “suicided” if his handlers were sure he wouldn’t talk/rat them out?

    Or, was Epstein threatening to tell all, and did his handlers decide to use “extreme prejudice”?

    If he did hint at anything to his lawyers, they are dead men walking . . .

  93. @Hopscotch

    Have there been any sightings of Ghislaine Maxwell in recent weeks? Maybe she will turn up for Mr. Epstein’s state funeral in Tel Aviv, and the DOJ can see that she’s still alive.

  94. Kyle says:

    How is there no video of it? My #1 priority would have been constant video surveillance the second he was arrested. That’s even more important than suicide watch. I want to see video of him killing himself, anything short of that and the entire American public loses faith in our joke of a justice system. Suicide is suspicious. He got off with a slap on the wrist last time, he must have good lawyers. Why give up before the trial? This is infuriating.

  95. Vinteuil says:

    Obviously, now, the Story of the Century (so far). All the King’s horses & all the King’s men won’t be able to put this together again.

  96. This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.

  97. 22pp22 says:
    @Kronos

    I remember being shaken by the news, but I am not American and terrorism was part of my childhood. The IRA seemed to plant a bomb in London or Birmingham every other week. It became part of everyday life. Also NYC is a long way away. I have lived in NZ for most of my adult life. ‘Only’ fifty people were killed in the Christchurch massacre, but, because it was unprecedented, unexpected and happened close to home, it unleashed a wave of competitive grieving that made Princess Diana’s funeral look tame by comparison

    • Replies: @Kronos
  98. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Makes you want revisit the Seth Rich case.

    • Replies: @Hail
  99. @J.Ross

    Good point, but it should be even stronger: at least a third of all Americans live in a State where the age of consent is seventeen or eighteen (with limited exceptions in some of them for adults who are relatively close in age to the minor). Here are the most populous of that group:

    CA, 40 million, age eighteen
    TX, 29 million, age seventeen
    FL, 22 million, age eighteen
    NY, 19 million, age eighteen
    NJ, 9 million, age seventeen

    So arranging sex for an adult who is at least his early 20s, with a sixteen-year-old, would be a crime in those States, period.

    Try it with our daughters, and the guy won’t make it to trial. Or to the airport.

  100. Art Deco says:
    @Lot

    Federal courts have jurisdiction over Indian reservations, DC, and insular dependencies. State courts over everything else.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  101. AnonAnon says:

    I’m just waiting for the horrific false flag event to wipe this off the news cycle. It’ll have to be something massive because even non-political people are talking what bs the “suicide” is. I’m just hoping there’s too much money in Southern California for it to happen here. So convenient 8chan gets nuked the weekend before – those guys were good diggers- though someone on 4chan posted about Epstein’s death 44 mins before it hit the news.

  102. Anon[732] • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Deep State,
    I believe Vince Foster committed suicide.
    I believe Seth Rich died in a bungled street robbery.
    I believe Whitey Bulger’s death was just another ordinary case of prisoner-on-prisoner violence.
    I believe it was the autopsy of Stephen Paddock, the body found in the hotel room.
    I believe Hillary’s deleted emails were all about yoga and weddings.
    I believe Bill and Loretta talked about golf and grandkids on the plane on the tarmac.
    I believe…
    …in Credere, Obbedire, Combattere

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  103. Kyle says:

    Why commit suicide before the trial?

  104. Whoa! Epstein’s island caught on fire after an “earthquake.”

    What a coincidence………………….

    I just hope any evidence on that island isn’t burned up. If that happens, it would be one “unfortunate” coincidence………………………………

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  105. Kronos says:
    @22pp22

    New Zealand is a great place!

  106. The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We’ve got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

  107. Ajonynous says:

    Hello there,

    I have real information. I am doing my civic duty to share it.

    Once.

    A quick search on a very private search engine informed me that this blog has one of the largest audiences for a page where I do not require a real email address or other means of identification. Beyond that fact I don’t know anything about this blogger or the readership of this blog. I also will not be monitoring responses to this blog post nor will I be posting the following anywhere else.

    THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND THE UNITED STATES JUSTICE SYSTEM LIES IN THE FOLLOWING WORDS

    DOCTOR DAVID AND LINDA MORROW

    I am swearing on a Bible that the answer to eveything lies within those words.

  108. @Cagey Beast

    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

  109. J.Ross says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I question this. What act? Russians are famously obsessed with … Greek, which shows the effectiveness of Orthodoxy, but which also means there’s already a nationality-name assigned. Also the former Soyuz and especially Ukraine is infamously a pedo and human trafficker preserve.
    Also what would Kazakh be? Would Mongol be on a horse?

    • Replies: @Alden
  110. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The mask is off. We’ll never know whether that temple was a Satanic sanctuary or a glorified gardener’s shed.

    • Replies: @Hail
  111. Hail says: • Website
    @JimB

    Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    If Epstein surfaces alive and well in Israel, and if the CNN-MSNBC-Fox-NYT-WaPo Big Media axis begins to slam anyone who asks questions, accusing them of anti-Semitism, it will (well and truly) be time to get it over with and dissolve the USA. Too hard to recover national dignity. We would be a continent-wide farce.

    More optimistic suggestion: Dissolve the Deep State and elect a new one.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  112. TWS says:
    @Lot

    Feds prosecute serious crimes on the res. I won’t say all serious crime because they ignore most everything but a slam dunk.

    So most folks fall under their state system. The other fed category is guys who cross state lines or get caught by a sting.

    Yes there’s lots of crime including sex crimes on a res.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  113. Peterike says:
    @Lot

    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @hhsiii
    , @IHTG
  114. fnn says:
    @Clifford Brown

    <blockquote<Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail.

  115. Hail says: • Website
    @Simon Legree

    Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a ‘hit’/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a “smuggling out of jail”), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Alden
  116. anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    The most important prisoner in America and he dies while being held in a supposedly secure jail? Taken off suicide watch for what reason? Lot of people feeling relieved right now that he’s gone. With a little inducement he could have been coaxed into singing loud and hard. If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided. Or perhaps it was the Russians who did this since they are so good at such underhanded plots such as controlling Trump through mind control.

    • Replies: @Hail
  117. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Also the Las Vegas massacre.

    After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don’t ask any more questions.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @J.Ross
  118. Jack D says:

    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don’t even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don’t want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn’t have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn’t have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

  119. Lagertha says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Rod Rosenstein sounds really creepy himself, teaching all of us doufusses about pedophiles…hmmm? he seems to know a lot about Epstein.

  120. unit472 says:

    The most baffling ( or perhaps not) thing about Epstein’s death was the curious lack of curiousity by the media. Last week when a gunman opened fire in the El Paso Walmart the media went to wall to wall coverage despite not having any real information to impart, not even a body count! That did not stop the networks from bringing on their retired Law Enforcement ‘experts’ to bloviate for hour after hour.

    Contrast that with today. With the public desperate to know how a marked man in federal custody could somehow kill himself or be killed the media only ran an obligatory segment at the top of the each hour and then resumed their planned coverage about…gun control.

    • Agree: Hail
  121. @Clifford Brown

    The funny thing is one of the two Red Scare chicks is on location in Chinatown giving me updates here in my Nova Scotia lobster fishing village. I’m glad we’re now in the era of micro-celebrities. to hell with CNN and the rest of them. This little clip is gold. Amongst other things, it gives you a feel of the difference between Big Jew and little Jew:

  122. Prosa123 says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman’s boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Reg Cæsar
  123. Vinteuil says:
    @Hail

    Yeah, the Las Vegas masscre still makes no sense.

  124. Andy says:

    The Epstein thing always smelled to me like a Mossad honeypot operati0n – to keep politicians and others powers that be in the US firm in line with Israel – and if you don’t do that we have some embarrassing tapes of you with minors to publish

  125. Lagertha says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Epstein seemed like Frankenstein….he went too far with his urges and inclinations. Why is that so many of the MeToo Perps are the same ethnic group as Epstein? It is all so creepy. I actually, think he is sequestered in a secure cell…somewhere offshore. I have just seen too many Hollywood movies!

  126. Hail says: • Website
    @R.G. Camara

    Interesting thoughts and valid enough. Working under the assumption that it was a Mossad hit, though, what day/time would a senior Mossad official most likely order the deed to be done? IOW, not the subtleties of reality, but the thought process of a Mossad goon-boss.

    Heck, whoever did this (Mossad being the obvious suspect, given Epstein’s links) might even have chosen this day after their team found data suggesting that the (upcoming) second full week of August is the time the most Americans are on vacation of any week in the summer, as well, further softening the blow.

    Friday-to-Saturday overnight; lots of important people away or otherwise more disconnected than usual even when Monday comes around. The “Dog Days.”

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  127. @Jonathan Mason

    “It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK.”

    Not when that inmate just happens to be the most endangered man on the planet. Stop pretending this was just a typical case. It wasn’t. Not in any way whatsoever.

  128. @Alden

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

    Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

    Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Alden
  129. Lagertha says:
    @Hail

    well, the screws will turn to Maxwell. She is toast, and may well be suicide #2.

  130. Hail says: • Website
    @anonymous

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.

    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other ‘world MSM’) would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Ibound1
    , @Lagertha
  131. Lagertha says:
    @Jack D

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  132. Hail says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    The mask is off.

    And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @J.Ross
  133. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @Hail

    Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one tomorrow. He runs a Sunday afternoon show, which is unsual for a radio/streaming guy who also does a M-F 3 hour show, but Jones, like Trump, realized there was an alternate media cycle and jumped on it.

    Infowars is about to get a ton of new viewers and supplement buyers.

  134. Lagertha says:
    @Hail

    I know! It is so hilarious that Russia had nothing to do with this! It is all on the evil americans who decided that Epstein had to be iced. No one just disappears from a NY cell – the body was a different body according to so many people as far as looking at the shape of the ears, nose, side hair and cheeks.

  135. @R.G. Camara

    Trump using Epstein to take down the Clintons. That was Tom Luongo’s first impression and he wrote a couple of columns about it a month or so ago:

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/08/epstein-arrest-peak-swamp/

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/12/acosta-resigns-project-epstein-trump/

  136. Bubba says:
    @dearieme

    If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

    Agree.

  137. Moses says:
    @Ibound1

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    Me too. No trust at all at this point. It’s all rigged.

  138. @Hail

    Jewish Emancipation was a mistake. The circa 1970 pyramid scheme economic plan was a mistake. Now we’re here, right now standing up in the face of it as their arrangements fall apart. All we can do now is try to survive this.

  139. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

  140. George says:

    (((Kid Twist Reles))), “The Canary Who Could Sing, But Couldn’t Fly”, falls to his death while under NYPD guard.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Reles#Death

  141. NYMOM says:

    I think he was murdered as well…

    The next one on the hit list will be Julian Assange as soon as he is extradited back to the US from the United Kingdom.

    Dead men tell no tales as they used to say in the movies.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  142. guest says:

    Sad when the death of an Underage Sex Ringmaster makes me sick instead of happy.

  143. @Jack Hanson

    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein’s list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus “suicide” story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here’s a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party

    It’s interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites………..

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in “Hellfire Clubs” in the UK & Ireland.

    So it’s not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I’d assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I’m sure more than a few are quite “hands on.” I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing………

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you’d be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they’re initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
    , @J1234
    , @HA
  144. guest says:
    @Hail

    What did they do about the U.S.S. Liberty?

  145. @Hail

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    It’s probably a warning to all of us.

  146. Ibound1 says:
    @Hail

    Great point.

    Can you imagine what our “press” and State Department would say if someone who had been procuring for high government officials in Russia was found dead in his cell and the Russian government announced it to be a “suicide”?

    Imagine the self-righteous vomit. Imagine the idiots blathering. Imagine the clowns threatening nuclear war over it.

  147. @Johnny789

    You mean he went for a drive with Kennedy?

  148. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    Political corollary to Coulter’s Law: no motive or vague mumbling means it was a leftist. Had he an old PJ O’Rourke paperback they would trumpet “nazism” from the rooftops. Observe the Dayton shooter said by the FBI to be “interested in violent ideologies.”

  149. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Can you imagine the reaction you’d get going back to 1962 or whatever and telling people the Roman Catholic Church was systematically protecting homo child rapists?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  150. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    I like to think that it really quickened when self-man Enlightenment craftsmen Ben Franklin, on a diplomatic mission to London to try to avoid war, was spoken to like a filthy serf by a holder of a medieval title.

  151. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:

    In this day and age, the only way to get an honest death penalty for a monster like Epstein is to have it be self-inflicted. I’m very pleased he hung himself. He saved us a lot of taxpayer money.

  152. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories.

    Yes you are, you defend your own and decry ones you don’t like, as does everybody else, which is why that term is so dishonest when not used neutrally. Jack, there was an earthquake (this is the official story, now), in the Caribbean, which caused a fire that destroyed whatever evidence might have existed, of whatever happened on Epstein’s island, at the same time that he was allowed by guards to commit the first suicide at that prison. There’s absolutely nothing speculative or silly in saying that this stinks to high heaven.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  153. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    No drugs are needed for the traditional “motel death,” which happens often enough without any alphabet agency wanting it to.

  154. gp says:

    Jeffrey Epstein would have survived longer in a Nazi concentration camp, than he did in the prison used by US Federal Marshals to house their most important prisoners, “separation cases.”

    The most famous prisoner in the USA died, and the prison did not have one single $50 video camera pointed at him?

    I don’t know who did this. I don’t know who to believe anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that I didn’t kill the guy.

  155. Anonymous[572] • Disclaimer says:

    Signed “Avi.”

  156. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:

    To be honest, I think Epstein could have gotten off lightly if he’d turned state’s evidence and ratted on his high profile friends. He could have gone into a witness protection program afterwards. But I suspect he held assets that could not be explained by normal means, and he didn’t want all that dug up.

    He has an interesting history. He was dismissed as a teacher, and was asked to leave Bear Stearns. Finally, he decided to leave this life. Nothing but a history of being kicked out or checking out.He knew and gave tax advice to Edgar Bronfman, father of Clare Bronfman of the NXIVM sex cult. I wonder if Epstein had any connection to the cult? If he gave tax advice to Edgar, why not his daughter? He was also an adviser to Adnan Khashoggi,

  157. @Shitposter

    I thought he was in a federal lockup, not a city jail.

  158. Lagertha says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don’t know if this is crap or what:
    https://newspunch.com/banker-sacrifice-children-illuminati/

    I read/watched this more than 3 years ago.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  159. @Jack D

    Damn, boy. You sure twisted yourself into a hawser coming up with that. It’s going to take a fifth of Dewar’s and two oxycontins to get your ass to sleep tonight

  160. Lagertha says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I do believe there is sexual blackmail (child or adult victims) at the highest level of govt and business…well banking.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  161. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

  162. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    I am sure Mossad occasionally does non-conspiracy things, but honestly, they don’t get paid to do that. Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.

    • Replies: @Hail
  163. Helo says:
    @Jack D

    Jack –

    The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial…and here we are.

    You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jack D
  164. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

  165. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peterike

    The bold personality type–and Epstein was bold–is also more likely to commit suicide if they’re in an impossible situation. They don’t fear death the way normal people do.

    • Replies: @Sean
  166. @Anon

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

    It’s pretty hard to imagine that happening, when whoever’s trying to do the gutting is susceptible to blackmail by an NSA that can probably get its hands on any email or transcript of any phone call. Most people have something to hide, or at least be ashamed of, somewhere back in the past. This stuff has got to be ended from the inside.

    Long live Ed Snowden!

    • Replies: @Pericles
  167. Lagertha says:
    @Hail

    well, the media you mentioned, are all complicit in his death: they are all on the same team. So, they will try to bury Epstein quicker than Epstein, who has no family, would want his body to by interred – where is the fracking body, by the way?

  168. Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is “nearly impossible” due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein’s chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of “committing suicide” while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don’t be a “conspiracy theorist.”

  169. Lagertha says:
    @Jack D

    you do sound like an idiot and a world-class, total phony, Jack.

  170. @Alden

    Haha, Alden!

    I think it’s like the way meteorologists talk about tornados. A suicide watch means the conditions are right for a suicide. A suicide warning means a suicide has been observed in progress.

  171. @Hail

    Et tu, Hanson?

    (I agree with you all though. Hail’s term is perfect – Trump is a bloviator.)

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  172. Cato says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “2 x 8” = 2 girls, each 8-years old?

  173. Lagertha says:
    @Cagey Beast

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

  174. JimDandy says:

    After he was taken to the hospital the first time, an non-controlled MSM would have been all over it, asking questions, etc.

    They weren’t.

    The most blatant , undisguised “fuck you” the elites have given the American plebes in my lifetime.

  175. Never been a huge fan of the ‘obvious’ conspiracies (JFK etc.). I still say the odds are on a real suicide. Older man, no more of his girls or decent food or anything he likes forever. The idea of a life in a little cell is probably far more difficult to get used to than most of us know. And we’re dealing with a spoiled rich guy here too. More than a few much tougher guys have been broken by the whole thing.

    Despite all that, I’d still only put it at 70 percent that it’s a real suicide. Maybe he was ‘strongly encouraged’ to do it. Perhaps much more abuse was in the offing if he didn’t and that was intimated to him in clear terms.

  176. If I were going to kill Epstein, you can bet that I would shut down 8chan first. Oh, that happened on August 5? You don’t say? Just before the release of the court records? Really?

    Poor Jeff, the guilt must have really gotten to him. When he commissioned that painting of himself in a prison yard, he thought he could make it, but with guilt and prison life, etc etc he just could not go another day without a massage. What a shame, what a damn shame.

  177. Haole says:

    I cant wait to find out what flavor of quota pepos were involved. Our government institutions are quota disasters. Could in fact be just a case of incompetence by Affirmative Action which is another kind of conspiracy.

  178. Lagertha says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    no, because, the prison workers will revolt if they are going to be accused of incompetence – especially, letting a white guy die on their watch. This is major prison drama – a problem for ?????yet to be determined.

    Black officials (police and govt) need to be on the defensive when it will become routine to blame mostly black prison guards for being negligent for Epstein’s demise.

  179. 22pp22 says:

    At least the Filipinos fought back.

  180. In Epstein’s bio at Wikipedia, he is described as advising Bear Stearns’ wealthiest clients on “tax mitigation”, i.e. pay as little tax as possible… (Bear Stearns, a giant investment bank, was a casualty of the 2008 financial crisis.) Edgar Bronfman is specifically mentioned as one such client, a billionaire who was also an extremely influential international lobbyist regarding Jewish issues, above all within the late Soviet Union. Among Bronfman’s children are two daughters who provided financial, legal, and material support to NXIVM, a psychological cult which served as cover for a growing circle of sex slaves. And recall that Epstein was assisted by a daughter of Robert Maxwell, another tycoon who after his death was eulogized for his service to Israel.

  181. A fire in the evidence room has already destroyed all documentation, including surveillance tapes. A blue-ribbon panel has already ruled out foul play. ‘Assisted Suicide’ is not a crime in New York. I am the Easter Bunny.

  182. Lagertha says:
    @Prosa123

    I can’t even :D, :D, :D,: discussion of HS sex acts on iSteve! Most HS kids knew that pregnancy was avoided this way. Here’s advice: don’t have kids.

  183. This story screams to the high mountains.

    It is a true conspiracy, immune to any insults that might be flung at it.

    I laugh because men like me laugh at things they have no power over. This was predictable. The burden of proof is on those who would tell us that this is simply a prison suicide. Until someone proves otherwise, we will assume, and take as given, that J. Epstein was murdered to keep him quiet.

    Prove us wrong.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
  184. @Prosa123

    If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    Then I don’t want to know what a Cincinnati Redleg is.

    Cincinnati… where Pete rose.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  185. Richard S says:
    @Forbes

    His suicide came as a surprise, most of all to himself..

  186. gp says:

    “Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this … was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?”

    Be swiftly assassinated, apparently.

  187. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe they hanged the shark.

    EVERYONE is now in conspiracy theory territory.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  188. @Hail

    Well, at least we are unlikely to have another false flag mass shooting this weekend.

  189. TWS says:
    @Jack D

    He was in ad-seg even if he was off suicide watch they still would have Mark one eyeballs on him several times an hour. No way no how this happened like it’s been reported.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  190. Alden says:
    @Alden

    I checked suicide watch was 7-23 to 7-29.

    And the 2 guards on his corridor were told to leave because of middle of the night maintenance. Must be an easy job 11 pm to 7 am shift electricians and plumbers on duty every night in case of sudden electric fire or flood Night shift differential too. Probably need at least 2 people at all times because most jobs need 2 pairs of hands

    I bet this was the first middle of the night maintenance since the building was finished.
    And why would the guards have to leave? Who did this middle of the night maintenance?
    If they do exist they died in auto crashes at 7/30 Saturday morning after they left work.

    The absent guards are not liable because they followed procedure and obeyed the order to leave their post.

    Who gave the order? “ Oh, it came over the intercom. He said it was my superior, Captain so and so.” “ and did you indeed give the order?” Captain so and so?”
    “ no I did not”

    • Replies: @68W58
  191. Richard S says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I had to switch back temporarily to establishment media to see how this was being presented to the masses. With wry cynicism, it seems to me, even from the hairstyled mediabots reading the autocue.

    There’s not even the “plausible” deniability they had with Seth Rich, God bless his soul.

  192. DuanDiRen says:

    Slate is on the case:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mcc-suicide.html

    You see, this totally proves how we need to reform prisons.

    If I were the Maxwell lady, I would be trying out the PD Mangan fasting method just about now.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  193. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    “Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.

    Covington, at the end, used to say that the problem was not that people didn’t know what would be required to save their freedom and their continued existence as a people, but rather that they knew full well, and the thought was unbearable to most people.

    • Replies: @Sean O'Farrel
  194. The Monahans’ trouble-making didn’t start with Haven:

    The North American Man-Boy Love Association is protesting the arrest, trial. conviction and sentencing of Nevada boy-lover Robert Butler, 61. For many years Butler has maintained a world·
    famous acrobatic act, ‘”The Amazing Monahans.”

    https://www.governmentattic.org/docs/Extract_FBI-files_NAMBLA_1979-86.pdf p. 11

    This was a sidebar in a story claiming to “out” Harry Connick, not the singer but his prosecutor father.

    Boise, of the suspiciously turquoise turf, was the epicenter of scandal 65 years ago:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_homosexuality_scandal

    That’s what inspired the “Boston-Boise Committee”, which developed into NAMBLA.

  195. @Buck Ransom

    But who cares because the 8chan weaponized autist crowd will be all over this… oh also oh wait

  196. @Flip

    Looks more like a mob hit. Who are Mossad’s subcontractors?

  197. Anon 2 says:

    What can you expect? New York City is now about as corrupt as they come.
    The antiquated subway system, the power grid on its last legs, measles epidemic –
    these are all Third World problems.

    I miss the time when this country was run by Christians (WASPS). It wasn’t perfect,
    but nothing is this side of Paradise. But at least New York wasn’t in danger of
    becoming the laughing stock of the world

  198. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Epstein was clearly an Israeli asset of some type.

    Israel, American Jews, and leading politicians are glad he’s dead so they won’t be exposed.

    This is what the mainstream media wanted too. They purposely concentrated on Epstein’s sex abuse of teens instead of his spy connections.

    It is a sad commentary on us White Christian Americans that our country is virtually owned by the Jewish lobby and Israel.

    99% of us White Christians are nothing but a bunch of sniveling cowards.

    Are you proud of that? I’m not.

  199. hhsiii says:
    @Peterike

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

  200. Lot says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn’t become news? Is it normally newsworthy when a criminal offs himself in jail?

    And even if there were brief reports, they may not mention the name of the jail.

    The other reported suicide was a “drug kingpin.” Would a mid level dealer or random child porn downloader suicide really make the news? I have actually never once read an article in my local paper about a local jail/prison suicide, though I am sure it happens.

  201. hhsiii says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    My favorite is the Camden Fakeout. Same as a Philly Fakeout, with the coup de grace you steal her purse for the bus fare back to Philly from Camden.

    • LOL: Kyle
  202. Alden says:
    @J.Ross

    Hint. Russian can’t be done on a man, boy or girls 11 and younger. It’s a form of natural birth control.

  203. @Jack D

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.

    You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.

  204. J1234 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    True: I worked at Franklin in the mid-’80’s for about 3 or 4 months, as I recall. It was a weird place (that’s why I left so soon) but I saw nothing at the time that would lead me to believe there was organized child abuse. In retrospect, however, I do believe it happened, despite a lack of hard evidence. Why? In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    The real reason I believe the Franklin pedophile ring existed came from outside of my experience at Franklin. Harold Andersen – publisher of the World Herald – was known publicly to be a close confidant of King. I believe he was on the Franklin board, and was later rumored to be part of the pedo ring. Years before anyone knew anything about the embezzlement scandal or pedo rumors, my mom had told me she knew the lady who cleaned Andersen’s house, and this lady had found child pornography in his office (it was oriented towards young boys.) I’d say this was three or four years before everything became public. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but all the puzzle pieces fit together too well for me to ignore the probability of what went on.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  205. @hhsiii

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?

  206. @Kronos

    You are joking aren’t you? Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

    Did Epstein climb a wall of worry and jump to a conclusion?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Jonathan Mason
  207. JimDandy says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yeah, that would require, like, Mossad-level expertise… Whoops! Come, on, man… he could have been drugged, stunned, might not have actually been hanged, etc.

  208. Alden says:
    @Hail

    US Government didn’t even go after the jews who stole the uranium. It only executed the 2 Rosenbergs when every Jew at Los Alamos was helping send atomic secrets to the Soviets.
    Jonathan Pollard was released from his life sentence.

    The army Air Force knew about but ignored the 2 Jewish pilots who flew America’s newest radar devices and the complete instructions and plans for making them to Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

    That was in exchange for Stalin’s ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  209. anon[482] • Disclaimer says:

    We really can’t know if it was suicide or murder. But we do know:
    1. If it was a murder it is quite brazen and shows how confident the killers are that they can control the narrative on the story in the world (not just US) media. It would be a sign that we live under totalitarian rule.
    2. The fact that we can’t know if our governmnet is this corrupt or not, because so much of what our government does is secret, is a sign that we don’t have a democracy or republic worthy of the name. If we lived in a democracy or a republic we wouldn’t have to worry about this.
    3. “Consipiracy theories” are no longer the province of kooks. Reasonable people now have to be conspiracy theorists to avoid being fooled by offical lies (Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
    4. No good man can tolerate this condition. Something must change.

    • Replies: @Alden
  210. Whiskey says: • Website

    Arkancide no doubt.

  211. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, I had no idea. I assumed massive increased blood pressure would cause a heart attack

  212. Charles says:
    @Ibound1

    Ibound1, my disagreement of your statement is that you imply the USA “political/media/everything else” structure is incompetent, stupid, or ineffectual. Just the opposite is true. The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want. The election of Trump was something of a monkey-wrench, but that was the last spasm of a people who will relatively soon have to decide to either fight (by “fight”, I don’t mean voting in another pointless election)…or die.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  213. Lagertha says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Bill’s body is degenerating at a rapid pace as is Hillary’s – they look like death. They are not even fuckable anymore, yet they will fight to the death of them to defend some imaginary image they have of themselves. I hate these slimey, truly trashy low-lives, since 1991. I want them tied to Epstein and rung under the keel of a ship, back & forth, until they can no longer speak.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  214. @Jonathan Mason

    No… In your extensive experience, exactly how hard is it?

  215. @Jack Hanson

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

    It could be very different where you live from the processes I have seen in Florida.

    Certainly any CO could START the process of placing someone on suicide watch as you describe as an emergency procedure, but they would still have to be assessed by psych as soon as reasonably possible, and certainly within 24 hours for that process to continue for more than 24 hours, and they could only be released from suicidal watch on the with the approval of the psychiatrist.

    If the process started at night, the inmate would still have to be taken to the medical department and seen by the nurse who would evaluate the inmate and make a call to the on-call doctor for a verbal order to start SHOS protocols, pending a more detailed psych eval the next day.

    Since Epstein had been on suicide watch and released from it, it is unlikely that he was showing signs of suicidal intent that a CO would recognize as an emergency on Friday evening. In fact it is most likely that he would have wanted to hide any such indications.

    Your assumption is that there are plenty of hallway rovers available at the weekend, or junior COs available to sit in front of the door flap and that overtime work would not be required, and neither you nor I can know what the staffing situation was like in that facility last night. In the prison I worked at, staffing was extremely tight at weekends, especially if a CO got injured or sick and had to leave, and there was constant pressure to reduce overtime which could easily be needed if someone was to remain on SHOS over the weekend.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  216. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t think there’s been any reports he hanged himself. Just suicide. And who believes anything in the newspapers?

  217. @JohnnyWalker123

    Reminds me of Don Corleone’s speech at the meeting of the Five Families in The Godfather, Part I.

    “But if he (Michael) should hang himself in his jail cell… Or be struck by a bolt of lightning.”

  218. HA says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan.”

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:

    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.

    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for “child sacrifice”, in that case you’re talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you’re talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

  219. Kronos says:
    @Gentle Hysteric

    I was quoting someone else from the thread. But yeah, unless Epstein got 30 Costco bundles of toilet paper (and even then) it sounds doubtful.

    Maybe he drowned himself in his cell toilet?

  220. NickG says:

    Thoughts?

    The Russians…or Trump…..same thing really.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  221. @Hopscotch

    Y’all forgetting that Orangutan from Queens had ENOUGH. of y’all:

  222. Ibound1 says:

    One thing is for sure: Very few people believe this story as it stands.

    No one in my family, liberal or conservative, GOP or Dem. knows what to make of it. Plenty of jokes like – “he committed suicide by drowning himself in his toilet then shooting himself in the back of the head with a rifle.”

  223. Mr. Anon says:
    @Prof. Woland

    At any rate, I hope that Barr the son of the man who gave Epstein his first job gets to the bottom of this.

  224. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”

    I agree. The investigation will likely stop here, after a perfunctory inquiry into how he came to commit suicide in jail (and by “commit suicide” I mean “get himself murdered”). What’s left to investigate? The accused is dead.

    Killing Epstein sends a clear message to all the young women who were in his stable: “This could be you. Shut up, if you know what’s good for you.”

  225. Alden says:
    @anon

    It’s the arrogant we can do anything we want with total impunity brazen ness of it that’s so extremely shocking. It’s a declaration of absolute power. America’s turned into Poland in 1700. The rulers are ruled by the Jews and the rest of us are the exploited serfs.

  226. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?

    If he’s been drugged, perhaps with something in his food? Probably not that hard.

    We will probably never be given details of what happened. The Feds will nix any such disclosures as revealing methods of operational security in federal prisons.

    • Replies: @Alden
  227. Alden says:
    @HA

    More proven cases in law courts than that. St Hugo for one and the Syrian monk in the 1850s.
    Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.

    The first Christians were jews. The whole crucifix thing was human sacrifice. The Jewish God was always demanding sacrifices from his chosen people if you believe the Bible.

    There was a big ring of people in the time of Louis 14 who practiced child sacrifice of babies. Louis set up a special force of police and investigators to stop it. As soon as the first arrests were made it stopped. Killing helpless babies is one thing. Torture and execution is another.

    • Replies: @HA
  228. @Art Deco

    Yep, and the feds also have jurisdiction over military bases, as well as federal parkland and national forests, which is quite a bit of land in some of Western and Mountain States especially.

    For example, the fed gov sometimes prosecutes people who get caught with marijuana in a federal park even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Autochthon
  229. @NickG

    You, or the Belgians. Same thing, really.

    See how much sense that made and how well reasoned and well supported it was?

  230. Mr. Anon says:
    @hhsiii

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I’m just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: “That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I’ll beat him up and take his cigarettes.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Kyle
    , @anon
  231. SafeNow says:

    As a poster on another thread noted, this is remarkably “in your face.” Even more so, I think, than the dawn raids. This is so brazen that it is turning point, in that now, anything goes. The definition of a terrorist now includes “conspiracy theorist.” Media censorship has begun. This website will be closed under a democrat president. We are all on a list somewhere, already. Like a poster above, I renounce my heresies. Suicide it was. There was no Flight 800 missile. Refresh that stuffy-old whiteguy traditional literary canon. Life in California is awesome. And so on. I renounce it all.

  232. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    I believe he was awaiting an appeal of his bail decision. He might have had the expectation of release and house-arrest, at least for a time. A slim possibility, but real none-the-less. He had not even been tried, let alone convicted. And he did beat this rap before. If he wanted to kill himself, he would have any number of opportunities after he was convicted, when things truly would be hopeless for him.

  233. Killing Epstein means that instead of having their day of vindication in criminal court and potentially embarrassing some very important people, the focus instead will now be on the victims targeting Epstein’s estate in civil suits.

    The victims will be placated with the prospect of oodles of cash in exchange for signing releases. The story itself will whither and die.

    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    • Replies: @a commenter 2
  234. Thoughts?

    Assuming TPTB didn’t kill him, i’d say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he’d wasted his life.

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life–committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice girl, raised a family, been part of Israel’s lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here. But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace–for him to peddle whatever he could sell–and his legacy is as transient and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.

    But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection. It’s step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It’s bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness, missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.

    Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all—a suicidal path to emptiness, despair and death.

  235. Alden says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    Epstein’s 66 years old. . 2 or 3 big strong young men used to handling recalcitrant men it wouldn’t be hard.

    There might not be a cause of death announced. His faith requires burial in the ground within a day. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing to be his next of kin and make the arrangements like Oswald’s brother had to do.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  236. Anon[506] • Disclaimer says:

    The obvious clue is that if Epstein was found hanged, what was it around his neck? If it was something that wasn’t allowed in his cell, an outsider had to bring it to him.

  237. @J.Ross

    What’s a cite for the no suicides ever at MCC? It’s a pretty big prison that’s 40 years old, including one dormitory unit and many cell units. It’s unlikely this is the first suicide.

  238. dvorak says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Either with Mossad or MI6, the CIA would have had to approve the hit in a federal prison.

    That’s how Five Eyes plus a Star of David plus an all-seeing eye works.

  239. bartolo1 says:
    @Hail

    “E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment.”

    Not so. After declaring “White Supremacy” a hoax, Tucker decided to go on “vacation” fly fishing to be exact.

    It is a pattern at Fox.

    Painful watching how little they get away with, while other pundits elsewhere are allowed free reign.

    • Replies: @Hail
  240. Alden says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Yes, I remember it well. Not weed or drugs. But criminals take vacation like everybody else. And with all the camping things lying around they steal a lot of that plus steal cars plus fights.

    And the feds put them in the local jails and transfer them around in those federal shackles

    It’s a good idea to keep strict control of national parks. People living in tents are vulnerable to anything.

  241. @Paul Jolliffe

    A lot of real men go out as men. That’s what the journalist was describing. Watch the video of Saddam’s hanging, or Ragnar Lothbrok die in Vikings.

  242. @Cagey Beast

    Every 70 or so years the U.S. goes through a major restructuring. Encrusted systems of injustice make people sufficiently angry that they are willing to forgo short- and medium-term comfort in order to reorganize the systems.

  243. @HA

    Good post.

    Tricking the devil or using a devilish character to trick the highest deity seems to be a folk-level, religious practice humans default to. Others which come to mind would be a conceptually naive pantheism, a distant and unapproachable high-deity figure, a vague sense of reincarnation, notional beliefs that in order to survive in this world, one must do battle with the gods and their energies and manifestations, and that wrong-doing is something extrinsic placed upon man instead of arising from man.

    In our age of the “spiritual but not religious” nones, you find these sort of beliefs re-imagined to fit a post-industrial world. For example, Marianne Williamson with her dark psychic forces theory is saying this is how President Trump operates because these are the sort of beliefs around which she organizes her world.

    That Judaism retains in official records some layer of this points, not necessarily to archaic or authentic traditions, but periods of rurality, disorganization, incongruity from the more prominent cults they encountered…the sort of conditions one would expect from a religion who held no permanent cultural center for a very long period of time and had its practitioners scattered among higher status foreigners.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  244. @Helo

    You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    1941 America was honest?

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  245. @Lagertha

    Yeah.

    Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs.

    Here’s an interesting blog post that offers plausible speculation that Blankfein might be a gay pedophile.

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/01/which-major-financier-is-gay-pederast.html

  246. the comments should be numbered in order of time of approval not time of submission.

    was epstein really facing life in prison? he wasn’t being tried for rape or pimping was he? just being tried for the same thing he’d already served time for, right? why so few details?

    • Replies: @Alden
  247. HA says:
    @Alden

    “Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.”

    No one is disagreeing with that. Over a long enough time span, some small offshoot of people will indeed engage in most any deviancy imaginable, not to mention activities that are far beyond any sane person’s imagining. It’s drawing a direct line between what freaks and weirdoes over the course of 2000 years have committed to Judaism as a whole — and on top of that twisting and garbling Ron Unz’s references in some argument-to-authority — that wins you the tinfoil crown.

    I likewise don’t deny that there is indeed a strain/tendency in Judaism to treat any and all who are beneath them like cattle (a view I’ve seen expressed on this site more than once, I might add) but gentile elites have been known to behave similarly, with or without religious justification. So, if you want to blame the Rothschild’s eyes-wide-shut sex parties on Judaism, you’ll need to somehow explain why all those gentiles partied along with them.

    As far as I can tell, Epstein’s crimes and overall creepiness are not a consequence of his devotion to Torah study. They might come to some extent from taking Freud too seriously, or maybe Phillip Roth, and that is indeed something that Jews of the last century do seem prone to, but not the religious ones. And none of that explains Clinton’s or Prince Andrew’s complicity.

    When you’re talking about crimes as serious as raping schoolgirls, you need to come at the subject with something more substantive than sloppy historical handwaving, otherwise the Epsteins of the world will use that to try and discredit the arguments against them by playing the antisemitism card.

    • Replies: @Alden
  248. Alden says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’m sorry, sorry, sorry, but pimps are just evil. More evil than rapists in some ways. That’s more than 2o years dealing with sex crimes speaking.

    And the money? 85 million winning lottery ticket? 20 million house in Manhattan. Private planes so he could take minors out of the country? His pimp partner the daughter of Maxwell the Mossad and KGB spy who stole the pension funds of dozens of companies. That’s just one of Maxwell’s financial crimes.

    Epstein’s money came from Wexler. He owned an investment company but he never did any buying selling trades anything. NYC financial folk gossiped about him for years about where his money cane from as his company did little investing had few clients or employees

    He didn’t even finish college. He was a 105 IQ White pimp and came to a bad end as most pimps do

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  249. Kyle says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Ahahahhaa. So he won the powerball too? Maybe the powerball is just a mossad fund raiser. Think about it, how many black people have ever won relative to the number of tickets they buy? Every once in a while some hillbilly in West Virginia wins just to keep up the ruse.

    • Replies: @anon
  250. @JohnnyWalker123

    So, thus far, we know the following:

    The SDNY–a hive of Comeyism/Brennanism/Clapperism until Trump won the Russiagate Conspiracy, but perhaps less so now–charges Epstein again.

    Trump is basically totally clear. Indeed, the lawyer for the woman pursuing these cases civilly (whom Epstein recruited at Mar a Lago) recently said that in 2009 Trump was the only person who answered his phone call and was completely candid about his knowledge of Epstein.

    Bill Clinton has been revealed to have flown on the Lolita Express 20-something times and often without Secret Service protection. His spokesperson boldly lied recently and said he’d only flown on Epstein’s plane four times. Ghislaine Maxwell had a prime seat at Chelsea’s wedding after Epstein had finished his 2008 sentence.

    Legal documents were released this week implicating serious international heavyweights in an underage sex ring, including billionaires, national-level Democratic politicians, and Royals from the House of Hanover.

    Epstein has mysteriously died in a Manhattan federal prison as the most high-profle prisoner in the U.S., the U.K., Israel, and perhaps the entire world–a couple weeks after a previous “suicide attempt.”

    Trump Tweeted a clip expressly implicating the Clintons, and Giuliani, former head of the SDNY, has said this doesn’t look like a suicide.

  251. Alden says:
    @HA

    I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article I referred to St Hugo and the 1850s Syrian monk neither of whom Ron mentioned . I didn’t write a word about Epstein or raping school girls either I didn’t write about the Torah or that Epstein studies Torah and rapes school girls. I didn’t write the words Epstein, Torah rape sex school girl Philip Roth Freud Rothschild’s strangely decorated 1960’s party eyes wide shut movie or anything you claim I said.

    Either you made it all up and thought I’d believe your lies about your post or you’re so deranged you believe your own lies about my post. Or you need to lay off the drugs and or alcohol.

    Read my post 237 if you ever sober up.

    FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.

    On second thoughts, you’re Wizard of OZ. Same blatant falsehoods same insane arrogance that I’ll believe your lies about what I just wrote.

    • Replies: @anonymous taser
    , @HA
  252. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lagertha

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.

    Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Kemper, David Berkowitz, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson – all of them did worse things than Epstein is accused of doing. Pretty shameful things too – to anybody who has a sense of shame – murder, cannibalism, necrophilia. And yet, none of them ever tried to commit suicide. They all clung to life until it was taken from them, if they are not still alive.

    I don’t think Epstein had a single milliliter of shame in him. If he did, he wouldn’t have lived his life the way he did.

    I’m with you – his suicide doesn’t compute.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  253. @Cagey Beast

    You’re right, the fictions we grew up with are no longer holding.

  254. @Cagey Beast

    Prudent advice, but I think this phenomenon is bigger than just a Tribal thing. Lots of big dogs are involved.

    “When elephants fight, grass gets trampled.”

    -Fake saying from a place with elephants

  255. @Cagey Beast

    ” The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. ”

    Tetragrammaton vs.Tetragrammaton, you say?

    bored identity shares the sentiment, but…

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  256. Svigor says:

    I’m reading that the camera in Epstein’s cell “malfunctioned.”

    Riiiiight.

    K let’s just cut right to the chase: everyone who doesn’t believe that the Jewish Mafia (AKA international Jewry) had Epstein murdered, plz raise ur hand.

    Plz include explanation as to why someone who has half a billion dollars, has displayed no capability for shame or guilt, and the maximum amount of chutzpah humanly possible, and who has beat the system over and over and over for most of his life, would kill himself.

    Haha, j/k, there’s no explanation.

  257. Svigor says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Why? Why is that your general rule? Sounds like a stupid rule.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  258. Svigor says:
    @Cagey Beast

    White Nationalists are going to build a million miles of road out of this one.

  259. Svigor says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    Yep. It will be interesting to see how much of a coverup follows. The murder scene? Court documents? Evidence gathered? (((Ghislaine Maxwell))) skates?

    One complication is that the victims’ lawyers are going after his estate. Speaking of, it’ll be interesting to discover who is going to get Epstein’s stuff (AFAIK he has no kids).

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the victims’ lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  260. @Kolya Krassotkin

    First Diana (for threatening to marry a muslim), and now Epstein (for threatening to reveal info about Andrew). She’s as ruthless as any of her ancestors.

  261. Svigor says:
    @Ibound1

    Agree and amplify, at least in spirit. I routinely piss all over the stupid konspiracy kookery I read on this site, and have for years. And I think it’s obvious that Epstein was running the pedo honey trap for International Jewry, AKA the Jewish mafia, that he was big-time glow-in-the-dark Mossad-connected, and that he was murdered at the behest of his associates.

    Will be interesting to see how much the authorities and media investigate Epstein’s death, look into the prison employees who might’ve been involved, etc; some of them might want to investigate life insurance options too, btw.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  262. Svigor says:
    @Hopscotch

    The orange faggot could have drained half the swamp the day after he was inaugurated, by firing anyone who smelled funny at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., etc., etc; they have pretty much no legal protection from firing, because Cold War Taken Seriously.

    He’s fired nobody.

    He sure as fuck isn’t going to bother with investigations if he’s too lazy or cowardly to even fire people.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  263. Pericles says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Long live Ed Snowden!

    Because he’s not in federal custody.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Lagertha
  264. Mr. Anon says:
    @Prof. Woland

    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

    Maybe Epstein was struck by lightning while in prison. He is……….just……….that………….lucky.

  265. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP.

    But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay.

    The paranoid mind believes the conspiracy first, facts are fitted to the conspiracy or just ignored.

  266. @J1234

    This is fascinating. Thankyou for sharing.

    In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    Could you elaborate?

    • Replies: @J1234
  267. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Suicide watch is something done in hospitals to care for the person and make sure he is not getting things out of proportion. When endless it becomes a Guantanamo Bay style regieme designed to break you. Ben Zygier the Mossad traitor was watched constantly in order to torment him.

    Ditto Tommy Silverstein who killed a guard at a supermax

    At end of day in Epstein’s shoes it was perfectly logical to kill oneself.

  268. @Alden

    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    In the two jailhouse suicides I reporter on (city jails, but probably similar to a fed clink), both of them used the thin blanket provided to them, waited for the hourly check to happen, then tied one end around their neck and the other to the top bunk.

    The thing is that means you still had contact with the floor and had to consciously keep as much weight on your neck until you passed out. A neurologist I contacted after one of them told me that since a blanket would be much thicker than a rope, it’s conceivable death occurred in 7-8 minutes, but probably more like 10-20, and could have been as much as 30 to 45 minutes.

    In both cases the two prisoners (one was caught with child porn) were extremely depressed about their circumstances, which would explain the extraordinary lengths they went through to off themselves. Epstein struck me as an arrogant asshole, and not the suicidal type, but that’s just a guess on my part.

  269. @Lot

    Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell first dated, then later operated a prostitution ring in South Florida. Ghislaine’s father was a very valuable Mossad agent (as confirmed by Israeli leaders and journalist Seymour Hersh). So valuable that various Israeli leaders and intelligence figures attended his funeral.

    Epstein was given a huge amount of money to manage by super pro-Israel Leslie Wexner (owner of L Brands and Victoria’s Secret) and then “misappropriated it.” Epstein was even given a free (!!!) multimillion dollar house by Wexner.

    For his crimes, Epstein got a super easy deal from Acosta in 2008. Later, Acosta claimed that someone told him that Epstein was “intelligence” and therefore he should back down, which was Acosta’s explanation for offering the easy deal. Acosta was later fired for this.

    Even before that, Epstein had a charmed existence for decades. Despite being a college dropout, he got a teaching job at super prestigious Dalton. He later went to work on Wall Street and made partner at Bear Stearns. In what normal country does a college dropout get all those cool jobs?

    Even after his brief sentence for sex crimes in 2008, he continued to be accepted in elite circles. He seems to have surrounded himself with a very high proportion of Jewish individuals.

    I have no idea why Epstein was rearrested recently, but I suppose someone powerful must’ve had their hand forced. Jews may not be all-powerful, but there’s no way to understand Epstein’s rise and his decades of untouchability without mentioning the role of influential Jewish ethnic networks. If these networks can’t protect their members 100% of the time, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    The Epstein story is just too strange for real life.

  270. @Jonathan Mason

    Hehe…hehe…Virginia Roberts told me Jeffrey Epstein was weltanschauung … hehe….

  271. @Mr. Anon

    Right. Epstein molested a lot of teen girls, which is extremely common behavior for criminals. A huge fraction of them are involved in teen prostitution, either as pimps or “johns.” I really doubt any of them felt strongly about what Epstein did.

    The reality is that pedophiles often operate with huge networks of co-abusers, with many of the abusers sometimes coming from elite circles in government, entertainment, and business. So silencing these pedophiles before they talk is a priority. There are lots of criminals who are willing to take a payment (or let their family take a payment) in return for whacking the convicted pedophile in jail.

  272. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kyle

    So he won the powerball too?

    Looks like the whole of society is rigged.

  273. @AnotherDad

    Epstein spent his life supporting Israel by running a blackmail operation for them. This blackmail has allowed Israel to get enormous amounts of aid from America, while also getting America to commit genocide against Israel’s enemies. So he worked for the benefit of his tribe and lead a life that had meaning to him.

    That’s why Epstein was so popular in these elite circles.

    It’s true he never had kids, but around 20% of Westerners never do. Few of them ever commit suicide.

    Epstein was killed because he knew too much. No way he committed suicide because he was sad about not having children.

    If he actually cared about kids, he could’ve impregnated a girl years ago. He chose not to. 0% chance he killed himself because he was childless.

  274. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    This is an interesting point. How was this set up? Team from outside? Inside guards? You’d need at least two people active to “control the prisoner”, with one in reserve. If some kind of “hanging” really was the case, you’d need time to set up the noose or whatever.

    During actual contact with E, you’d need the cooperation of the prison administration and the technical person who caused the video cameras to “fail”, plus the guards assigned to the area, plus the building and hall guards and video equipment if you used a raiding force instead of corrupting existing access authorized personnel.

    All personnel read into the operation would be permanent security risks. They might leak information or even become witnesses for the prosecution under some circumstances.

    All of this is unavoidable. Intel and special ops guys aren’t real ghosts backed up by real sorcerers with real magic powers. They have the usual limitations; it’s just that they also have the near-magic of exfiltration. Unlike criminals, if they can get back to home base, they’re really free, and they even have some hope of being freed after capture.

    You can see that this would be a significant operation. Even for the managers, God bless (or whatever) them because of possible blowback. The operation is feasible if enough money is spent, but it is very risky for all involved personnel (including E, of course).

    It would be impossible to believe that such an operation could have been risked if it weren’t obvious that it was.. Even the Kennedy assassinations were less risky than an operation like this — no “lone gunman” cutout here [1], too many people involved.

    The only way the USG could recover from this in the public eye would be a thorough investigation of the act _and_ of E’s affairs, with subsequent prosecution of everybody involved in criminal acts. After 911, the Clinton e-mails, the Russia/Trump accusation, and the de facto “open borders”, and most of all the #MeToo campaign, this “suicide” is a step into the abyss [2]. We’re not quite falling yet, but as a first step they should treat the lockup as a crime scene. Everybody out. Investigation by a separate agency (uncorrupted if one can be found). Convincing evidence, trials, convictions, serious reform starting with the prison system and continuing to civil service in all Federal agencies.

    But that’s not going to happen, and we’ll start falling. The loss of legitimacy is going to hasten the society wide reorganization by years. I hate reorganizations, always messy, brute force and massive ignorance (BFMI), plus this time I and my dependents and descendents are likely to be hit by the splatter, but, well, when nothing else works, reorg and hope. Pray a lot too, it might help when you get to Heaven.

    In related news, anybody notice that downtown San Francisco was described yesterday as a health hazard greater than that of any known third world slum? [3] It’s not as if the USG on any level is doing much to prop up its legitimacy and worth to the average citizen. This looks like a classic “third generation of the revolution throws it all away” situation, the revolution in this case having been Wilson, FDR, JFK/LBJ and the World Wars.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Even if you assume the Oswald killed JFK and Ruby acted on his own, Oswald was still inspired by at least Castro’s government, and functioned as a cutout even if the plan was for Oswald to get away. The more complex scenarios, of course, treat Oswald as a cutout and nothing more.

    2] Famous misquote: Russian chief of state during perestroika. “Last year we stood on the brink of an abyss, but _this_ year we have taken a giant stride forward!” And now the US political class has done the same thing.

    3] https://newspunch.com/san-francisco-filthiest-slums/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html

  275. Kyle says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes it’s true pedophiles get beat up in prison. I think it because the prisoners want to feel morally superior in some way. Also because there’s nothing to do in prison, and it seems to me that prisoners recreate this bizzare culture of what they see in television and movies because they have nothing better to do. So they form racial gangs and barter honey buns for cigarettes and kick newbies asses. Talking to them I also get the sense that half of what they say isn’t true, they’re just embellishing the few things that did happen because mostly nothing happened. Telling badass prison stories is cooler than admitting that you’re a looser who spent two years of his life locked up doing nothing. The one thing they all agree on is that nobody gets raped in the shower.

  276. @Prof. Woland

    Amazing. Utterly amazing.

    Epstein must be the luckiest man in the universe.

  277. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Having spent time myself in prison, I can state that it’s categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn’t have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered “bad” however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called “chomos” and “Chesters”.

    Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.

  278. @JimB

    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    Here’s a story for you:
    After Lenin died, Lenin’s widow came to Stalin during the succession crisis and said “My husband opposed you, and I will too”. Stalin said: “My people control the press. If you oppose me, even within the Party, I will get a new Lenin’s widow. We will tell the public and the Party that Lenin secretly hated you, and divorced you years ago. He said nothing of this to save the Party embarrassment. Lenin also secretly remarried, and his secret wife is Lenin’s real widow. You are not, you are a discarded woman who hurt Lenin. However, if you do not oppose me, you can continue in your comfortable life.”

    The story is told to show how deep (and easy) the deception by government can be. The USSR finally ended when the general public stop believing _anything_ their government said. Rather like the inhabitants of San Francisco or Paris having a hard time now believing they live in one of the world’s most beautiful cities. [1]

    “And a tidal wave is rising
    as we dance along the beach,
    sneering at our own reflections
    laughing at our shudder shapes.”
    from “Serpent’s Reach”, search youtube.com

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.php
    “Paris – Then and the Slum it is Now”

    • Replies: @DaveE
  279. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    You really are a disgusting person.

  280. @Anonymous

    Anybody notice when “conspiracy theory” became synonymous with “truth”.

    Otto von Bismark supposedly commented, at one point, “Never believe any rumor you may hear until it has been officially denied.” [1] It’s an old idea, but it was always half joke before.
    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/08/07/believe/

  281. @Cagey Beast

    If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

    Whoever it was, the mission was so very risky that it would only have been approved if the damage from a live Epstein would have had to exceed the damage from a blown mission cover. And that’s saying something.

    Counterinsurgency

  282. None of the ever-changing lies about his so-called suicide are being accepted, as people aren’t quite as stupid as the Elites assume.
    So maybe “they” will announce autopsy results conclude it wasn’t due to hanging but instead simply a natural cause such a stroke or heart attack.
    Or, because Epstein was a known sex pig, “they” might say, he he did hang himself but it was accidental death due to auto erotica.
    That is if the corpse is even Epstein, at this point, I believe NOTHING “they” say.
    Who knows, maybe he’s alive and well and having an orgy somewhere tropical.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  283. @AnotherDad

    Another Dad wrote:

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy.

    Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and have no discernible talents or skills.

    I mean, aside from being a pimp. But, you can’t get that rich just being a pimp to the elites, can you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  284. @anon

    OK, but what about pimps? Are they victimized in prison?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alden
  285. @Lagertha

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

    The Jewish coalitions have always been spectacularly bad strategists, although quite good at tactics. That bit about rebelling when Trajan took the a striking force of legions into Mesopotamia, AD 195, for example. Quite predictably, Trajan took the striking force _out_ of Mesopotamian and defeated the rebellion, which had killed a very large number of Roman citizens. Trajan was unhappy about this, as were his successors. The only real result was that much later Mesopotamia became an effective enemy of Rome instead of one of its provinces, and this enabled the Moslem conquest of the southern shore of the Mediterranean by a force far more hostile to Judaism than Rome.

    And that’s typical. The present foul-up is nothing new.

    Counterinsurgency

  286. @Pericles

    Once again: it’s all the Russians’ fault that he is not!

    Also, Nabokov – another Russian! – wrote Lolita, which doubtless inspired many of the debauched people involved with Epstein.

    And Clinton famously enjoyed “big titties,” which, of course, facilitate so-called Russian sex.

    And Clinton was pudgy, doubtless a fan of Reuben sandwiches (we know he liked meaty, Jewish offerings), so there’s also a connection to Russian dressing.

    In fact, I’m pretty sure the Russians cause traffic to be so bad during rush hour.

    The Russians broke up Guns ‘n’ Roses, killed Jimmy Hoffa, greenlighted The Real World, created the human immunodeficiency virus, gave Kesha a recording contract. They must be stopped!

  287. @Charles

    The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want.

    That’s because they don’t want much. They want (a) graft money and (b) revenge against any challengers (which can mean white people, but can also mean anybody they don’t like [1].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hamblin

  288. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    ‘even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.’

    The entire population of UNZ.

  289. @hhsiii

    For the love of God will you – and all the other fools bandying about the term pedophile and its variants – purchase a dictionary?

    Jeffrey Epstein was not a pedophile!

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @anon
  290. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA

    ‘This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, ‘

    Judaism’s strange gods Michael Hoffman. Look up the shikekahn. Look up the Cabbalah. Both the regular legal (talmud) and mystical spiritual sides of Judaiam are rife-and I do mean rife-with satanism.

    • Replies: @HA
  291. Gordo says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That only shows he has zero control over the secret state.

  292. @HA

    ‘That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood,’

    The book (written by the son of the former cheif rabbi of Rome) conceded that the most famous blood libel trials were fair and that the suspects revealed details only the killers would know. In other words the blood libel is real.

    Try harder.

    • Replies: @HA
  293. @Alden

    ‘FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.’

    To me its a sure sign they are guilty. Smoke. Fire.

  294. IHTG says:
    @Peterike

    Yeah it’s totally weird that the subset of Jews and part-Jews who comment on alt-right blogs would be disproportionately composed of contrarians who like to argue with people.

  295. @RadicalCenter

    …even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    Marihuana is completely* illegal in every state – by dint of federal statute. Just as counterfeiting, piracy, and smuggling are; this was all settled, at great loss of blood, tears, and treasure, in 1865.

    *There are some vanishingly inconsequential exceptions, such as the allowance for legitimate scientific research in the facility at the University of Mississippi.

  296. @Cagey Beast

    The story that I find interesting is the Steve Ross fundraiser scandal. I try to analyse American power from afar, but isn’t he a serious mega-jew elite? His mentor/uncle was Max Fisher, who seemed to be the ‘most important jew in North America’ in the 50s and 60s. So Trump’s support is not just reliant on flyover MAGA territory. Elites in NYC seem to be at war with each other.

    Maybe one section of Jewish elites has finally noticed the appalling behaviour of their co-ethnics and are trying to get that under control before the whole thing collapses for the 110th time or whatever it is.

  297. Not being a reader of Wapo, I have to ask: when Epstein was found injured in his cell, did any article appearing in the pages of Wapo relate any details of this claim that :

    ” Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. ”

    The Wapo site doesn’t allow me to read the article linked in the tweet.

  298. @Alden

    He…came to a bad end as most pimps do.

    (These did alright….)

  299. @Counterinsurgency

    AD 195

    Wasn’t Trajan about 80 years earlier?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  300. Gordo says:
    @anon

    I talked with this guy I worked with once who was an ex prison officer, in England. He didn’t want the ‘nonces’ beaten up, not because he had sympathy with them but because it was lots of paperwork if it happened.

    He dug out the complete records of those who we doing the beating and most had previous for some form or other of sex crime. He said he showed them this and told them he might leave the papers lying around if they caused any trouble.

  301. dearieme says:
    @Kronos

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US.

    So why did he come back?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  302. Jack D says:
    @Helo

    Look, you didn’t have to be Nostradamus to guess that Epstein might kill himself (or “kill himself”). The question is why something that was so obvious to everyone else was not obvious to the Bureau of Prisons. I’d be skeptical too, but something not dissimilar happened to Whitey Bulger. In his case, the answer was not even bureaucratic incompetence but that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee, so the system decided to take revenge on him.

    The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane and petty.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @HEL
  303. TTSSYF says:
    @J.Ross

    I would agree. I resist conspiracy theories, too, in favor of the simplest, most obvious explanations (buying into conspiracy theories strikes me as a childish indulgence), but this earthquake and fire that just happens to destroy evidence on Epstein’s island the night before he dies (assuming this actually occurred) is a little too coincidental not to consider some sort of outside involvement by some very powerful players.

  304. @Ibound1

    I generally sneer at conspiracy theories… but this situation is sure giving me pause…

  305. @Canadian Observer

    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    Yes, with blonde white male airline pilots as the evil pedos.

  306. @Cagey Beast

    “This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. ”

    This is also a time when those watching might get a glimpse of just how desperate and incompetent the players are. Obviously, these people aren’t omnipotent nor are they even that intelligent. There’s massive stupidity on display in this little sideshow.

  307. @Alden

    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch.

    Right. And a suicide watch is expensive because you have to have a guard doing nothing else but keep Epstein in his sight.

    This looks very bad, but it could simply be incompetence.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  308. TTSSYF says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I think it’s more likely than not that he committed suicide (although the circumstances — especially the fire on the island, certainly points to the possibility of “assisted suicide”). More than a few Jews are brilliant but mad as a March hare (think Weinstein or Belfort, just to name two off the top of my head). I personally know of another in the city where I live — a brilliant doctor and successful novelist who, one day, decided to hang himself in the closet for his wife to discover.

  309. Hail says: • Website
    @bartolo1

    After declaring “White Supremacy” a hoax, Tucker decided to go on “vacation” fly fishing to be exact.

    This is exactly what happened during the Valentine’s Day massacre immigration cave-in of 2019. It aligned very precisely with Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham being sent off on vacations:

    [MORE]

    [February 15, 2019 at 3:50 pm GMT • 200 Words]

    Hail says:

    Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain’t so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine’s Day to Presidents Day “holiday weekend,” Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur — all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham’s show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show — there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her vacation in Colorado but had phone problems and didn’t really get in her point. All three’s coverage was totally dominated by other stories.

    We know Trump watched at least some of FoxNews primetime last night (i.e., at least some of these three), because he tweeted a quote from one of Tucker’s anodyne stories.

    Mickey Kaus
    @kausmickey
    Hannity doing a good job of chloroforming his audience with unlistenable Maddowesque Russia/FBI monologue before he gets to the urgent events that are actually happening today …

    Tucker mysteriously absent for any conversation about the bill…. he’s whiffing in purpose, here.

    Anonymous[264] says:
    February 15, 2019 at 5:05 pm GMT

    @Hail
    Fox executives might have made the decision to have Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham MIA last night.

    Hail says:
    February 15, 2019 at 6:29 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @Anonymous
    They couldn’t have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn’t have known this.

    Their absences align with a “Valentine’s Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday” three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.

    I should have added, at the time, that Blumpf and his handlers knew the same — that the alignment of the Valetine’s Day to President’s Day holidays and weekend would make for a soft spot in the news cycle, the softest spot of that time of the year.

    And the White House Blumpfites probably specifically knew, due to close ties to Fox, that both Tucker and Laura would be on vacation at this time (it’s not like Tucker’s vacations are closely guarded state secrets).

    The planning/timing was likely the same, by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein.

  310. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.

    Where does that leave people like Ron Bassilian?

    Imagine Ron Bassilian in other contexts: At the [Am.] football game. Denouncing people who say, “coaches call plays secretly and transmit the info to the quarterback each time.” Ron Bassilian: “Anti-football, hateful conspiracy theory!”

    Since we don’t see them conveying the plays (as by giant signboards or the like), if the Bassilians had a monopolistic media-state complex behind him, I bet they could get lots of people (non-players) believing that play calling is spontaneous, everything above board, what you see is what you get.

  311. @TWS

    One of the recurring new stories up here in Canader is “violence against native women”. It’s just like “gun violence’ in that it just sorta happens and nobody knows why. What these stories don’t mention is that it’s usually Tonto who is beating the crap out of Pochahontas, not David Duke.

  312. @Jack D

    that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee

    An 89 year old guy in a wheelchair threatened a BoP employee so bad they had him killed? Really!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  313. Kronos says:
    @dearieme

    That’s the golden question. He was getting away with this crazy stuff for years. Maybe he didn’t save up enough resources to wait out the Trump Administration? (He likely freaked out when Hillary lost.) There was nothing to really fear from a Obama and Hillary Administration. But after Trump, maybe he couldn’t easily create separate accounts that couldn’t be frozen by US authorities? I can’t imagine being SWIFT slapped by the Treasury Dept. is really fun (ask Iran.) But like many, I can’t believe he was a REAL billionaire. (Maybe 100 million tops?)

  314. Kronos says:
    @Clifford Brown

    This is still the BEST one minute video on the Epstein criminal chase/case.

  315. HA says:
    @Alden

    “I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article…. I didn’t write a word about Epstein…or anything you claim I said.”

    The earlier commenter did indeed make reference to that (and to articles by Unz that describe a wide range of historical events routinely regarded as antisemitic hysteria that have a grain of truth behind them). That’s not the first time he’s done that, and my reply to him was basically just a repeat of what I told him earlier. Not every post has to be all about you.

    You did, however, make reference to Étienne Guibourg/Madame de Montespan. Those occult practices had very definite connections to Christianity, and the number of murdered infants in that case alone numbered 2,500. On the basis of that, are we going to draw wild extrapolations of how Christianity leads to terrible crimes? How accurate and fair would that be? And at least the Versailles black masses were actual crimes. What if on top of that I throw in the Satanic child abuse hysteria of the 80’s and 90’s and the Salem witch trials — i.e. stuff that was completely and outrageously fabricated — and use that to make a case of how Christians are monstrous people that regularly sacrifice children and worship Satan. It’s all part of a pattern, right? I mean, where there’s smoke there must be fire, right?

    “FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.”

    I’m not denying that. Apparently, you’re the one who’s putting words in people’s mouths while at the same time accusing me of doing that. If you want to use actual and verified (and too often overlooked) historical events — I made reference to Jewish over-representation in the European slave trade, if you need a starting point, and there’s some more along that vein if you want to go through my comment history — to make the case that Jews or anyone else have been historically guilty of badly treating others, that would at least be a step forward.

    But lumping together events that might have some grain of truth and events that even now are nothing but flights of lunacy (though admittedly, perhaps grounded in more realistic fears of being victimized and enslaved by their economic superiors) in some grand connect-the-dots exercise about Jews or anyone else is just going to lead to more idiots shooting up places (which in turn will be used to justify counter-reprisals, etc., etc). Cool it down, people.

    Right now, I guarantee you, some crazy feminist is writing a screed whereby she’s going to attribute Epstein’s crime to the sole fact that he is a pale-skinned male. She’s going to wildly lump in pseudo-scientific ramblings about the effects of testosterone in an effort to legitimize her nutty conclusions, along with a bunch of disconnected historical references that point to a clear and definite pattern, and use that to feed the hysteria about how all men are rapists. I’m pretty sure the people who frequent this site would be able to poke a hole or two in that kind of approach, and good for them.

    But by the same token, people who actually care about getting the big picture right should likewise resist the same smear jobs when they’re applied to other groups. (And for the record, I do realize that any such crazy feminist ramblings might actually get published in the NYT and WP and lead to a sweet book deal, whereas crazy antisemitic ramblings will just lead to arrests and crackdowns against all gentiles. I don’t defend that lopsided state of affairs, either, but that still doesn’t mean that crazy antisemitic ramblings should be defended.)

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  316. @Gentle Hysteric

    Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

    Obviously there are a few Unz readers who have had such sheltered lives that they have never been in a prison.

    You make several strands of paper rope as shown in the photo below, and then plait several strands together. It can be surprisingly strong if done right. Prisoners can also use such ropes in escape attempts.

    No word at this time on whether Epstein was a macrame hobbyist.

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/3237030951697774/?lp=true

    Toilet paper can also be used for suicide by means of stuffing it down your throat until you asphyxiate.

    In prison it can also be used to make papier-mache chess sets. (The black pieces are dyed with coffee.)

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  317. HA says:
    @anonymous taser

    “The book (written by the son of the former cheif rabbi of Rome) conceded that the most famous blood libel trials were fair and that the suspects revealed details only the killers would know.”

    Yeah, Ariel Toaff said one or two of the blood libel cases (in particular, the Simon of Trent case I myself mentioned) might indeed have more to them than is commonly accepted, and that is what Unz made reference to in his writeup of the book. I have no particular problem with Toaff. But everything in that book still amounts to just a handful of cases, involving groups that even other Jews regarded as weird and freakish, and over the course of the centuries they have been amplified by numerous others that even Toaff notes are sheer fabrications (albeit perhaps grounded in much more legitimate fears of having children get swiped by Tatar raiders and their Jewish collaborators). In other words, it’s still thin gruel.

    Indeed, consider the fact that the Etienne Guiborg black masses at Versailles involved a mass grave of 2,500 dead infants. And that was just one case. How about on top of that we throw in the Satanic ritual child abuse claims of the 80’s and 90’s against the McMartin family and others as further “justification” that Christians and their “death cult” are heinously complicit in ritual murders of children over the course of 2,000 years? You don’t see any problem with that kind of reasoning, or see some complications as to where that kind of thinking might lead? I do. If you can’t, that says more about you than I ever could.

  318. HA says:
    @anonymous

    “Judaism’s strange gods Michael Hoffman. Look up the shikekahn. Look up the Cabbalah. Both the regular legal (talmud) and mystical spiritual sides of Judaiam are rife-and I do mean rife-with satanism.”

    Look up Etiene Gibourg — as I’ve already noted, that case alone involved the corpses of 2,500 infants. Look up Satanism and Witchcraft by Jules Michelet. Look up H. T. F. Rhodes’ The Satanic Mass. All these have definite links to Christian rituals and practices.

    In other words, if we follow your line of reasoning, we can build a similar case to the effect that European Christianity is itself “rife with satanism” and has a blood trail that includes thousands of victims, many of them mere babies. And why stop there? Let’s amplify all that with sheer nonsense about Satanic ritual abuse, as was evidenced in the McMartin preschool trials and claim that all that continues to this day. Where does that leave us? Do you honestly not see any problems with that kind of thinking?

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @BB753
  319. HEL says:
    @Jack D

    The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane and petty.

    This. Most people here are acting as if this prison was some sort of elite, specially-formed project designed for the sole purpose of keeping Jeffrey Epstein, verified MOST IMPORTANT PRISONER IN THE WORLD, alive until trial. When in actuality I’m pretty sure it’s just another prison, and Epstein was mostly just another prisoner. One who probably actually warranted less attention than most, as he was just an old man sitting by himself in his own cell.

    I’m open to possibilities. But I’m gonna need actual evidence, not mere innuendo.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    , @Paw
  320. Sean says:
    @Anon

    Quite a bit in what you say, but I think the average person is instinctively more concerned with their family, friends and group. Those will protect you no matter what, and those are the only ones you will die for.

    Epstein had put his folk in an impossible situation inasmuch they were being accused by hearsay and speculation of all sorts of things through publicity surrounding his criminal charges even though he was the only one facing charges. His suicide is an admission of personal guilt. In relation to the wild allegations against his group and friends it’s time to shut up with the hearsay, or cease to be taken seriously.

  321. slumber_j says:
    @dearieme

    My wife’s immediate reaction was that he’d been smuggled out: note that it wasn’t a corpse under a sheet or in a bag in those photos, but a guy getting oxygen. The thinking is that he was immediately on a plane to Israel or a third country.

  322. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Pollard free, Epstein dead.

    Jewish Gangster Paradise.

  323. @Achmed E. Newman

    My disappointment is boundless and has been for months.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  324. @Jonathan Mason

    Yes, in a major federal facility watching one of the most important prisoners in custody, you could pull someone off a tier or call in OT to sit and watch this guy.

    You know this, but this is all just ofuscatory pilpul. The idea that you need a psych order (burden of proof on you, which you don’t have) is laughable.

  325. Jack D says:
    @TWS

    They were SUPPOSED to be checking on him every half hour. But, and I know this is shocking, sometimes prison guards don’t do their jobs. Maybe you have another job during the day so you use your night shift job to get some well deserved rest. Just because there is some high profile Jew prisoner that the Internet is all excited about doesn’t mean that you should disrupt your usual sleep routine for that POS.

    Everyone is looking at this from a top-down, how glad Bill Clinton is today perspective when the right way to look at these things is from the bottom up – not what were the motives and incentives of the Establishment but what were the motives and incentives of the poor schmuck whose job it was to watch Epstein. Of course, I think he misjudged – everyone from DJT to AOC is calling for investigations and he’s going to come into the crosshairs. But the union will defend him and he probably has enough seniority to retire and take a pension so he’ll be OK.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @TWS
  326. @Lot

    Amazingly I’m not the one trying to turn this into another iSteve episode of THOSE CRAZY ANTI SEMITES ARE GONNA NOTICE AND EVERYONE GONNA END UP IN GAS CHAMBERS WITH WOODEN DOORS.

    Epstein’s suicide doesn’t speak to the specific Jewish power you and yours always pretend doesn’t exist in America as much as it speaks to the power of a general class of unaccountable elites that are likely satanic pedophiles. However, your monomania about how noticing Epstein leads to the Holocaust just makes you and everyone else look ridiculous.

  327. Jack D says:

    It seems like this incident is the perfect storm to bring out the conspiracy theorist side of (almost) everyone on unz. Many people here are already suspicious of Jews, Democrats, the Establishment, Israel, etc. and Epstein touched all the right bases. There was a Mossad submarine waiting in NY harbor to spirit Epstein away to a kibbutz safehouse. This is the same kibbutz where matzohs are manufactured using the blood of Christian children. Suspiciously, Manischewitz recently and with little fanfare closed its Jersey City matzoh factory and fired all the Puerto Ricans who used to make matzohs for the Jews of America. Henceforth these matzohs will be made in Israel. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

  328. @HA

    Conflating the Black Mass with Christianity is the kind of duplicity that tends to confirm the worst stereotypes of glow in the darks around here.

  329. @AnotherDad

    I don’t know how you do it. Even in the face of such a ridiculous media fable, you managed to touch upon every nonsensical point and bless it with your own touch of sympathy and credulousness.

    I’m in awe of you over here already.

  330. @Jack D

    Ah, I see we are at the “break glass in case of emergency” stage of the JIDF around here: reduce everything to its most ridiculous conclusion.

  331. Jack D says:
    @Mister.Baseball

    Belief in the existence of the “evil eye” or malocchio and the use of various amulets or tricks to ward it off is widespread throughout the entire Mediterranean world and probably predate Judaism or any modern religion.

    Often, elements of existing folk beliefs or prior religions persist even when a new religion is introduced and get incorporated into the new religion. What usually happens is that the people persist in the folk belief. If it is really harmful (human sacrifice) the theologians of the new religion reject it but if it seems harmless enough (Christmas trees, the Easter bunny) they make a space for it in the new religion and even incorporate it into the new religious doctrine and invent explanations that make it fit in.

    For example, some people believe that the breaking of a glass at a Jewish wedding was originally just a way to make a loud noise and ward off evil spirits (this is a pretty common folk belief – you set off fireworks, bang drums, ring bells, etc. – it’s known that dangerous animals flee from loud noises so you might expect evil spirits to respond in the same way). But some rabbis say that the breaking of the glass is supposed to remind people of the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem.

    • Replies: @HA
  332. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    Epstein conned the jail psychologist as to his state of mind, convincing her that he was not a suicide risk. Or bribed her. As the black/Jewish lady psychologist survives, her case notes will come to light and her bank account balance will be scrutinized. All of us feel deprived of the rest of the story. Did Epstein have friends up to his arrest? Ghislaine Maxwell when she spills the beans and writes her book is the one who could if she wished divulge. What if she gets suicided too? She lives in a handsome body – photos of her are . . . illustrative. You all know the backstory: her father Sir Robert Maxwell (not his original name) was one of those genius entrepreneurial Eastern European jews who survived WW II and made a vast fortune in England. Ghislaine was his ninth and last child, his favorite it is said. It was discovered that Maxwell had looted the pension funds of some of his companies to the tune of some hundreds of millions of pounds to keep other businesses of his from going broke or whatever. He subsequently walked off his yacht into the sea: the jig was up.

    Perhaps Maxwell senior and Epstein lived and thought alike not to speak of the intermediary influence of Ghislaine on her intimate friend Epstein. Saddam Hussein shared the same attitude when it came time for him to be hanged. He observed that he had had a blessed life as a tyrant for a long time.

  333. HA says:
    @Jack D

    ” but if it seems harmless enough (Christmas trees, the Easter bunny) they make a space for it in the new religion and even incorporate it into the new religious doctrine and invent explanations that make it fit in.

    Despite widely disseminated claims to the contrary, neither Christmas trees nor the Easter bunny are relics of ancient pagan or folk religion. In the case of Christmas trees, they:

    developed in medieval Livonia (present-day Estonia and Latvia), and in early modern Germany where Protestant Germans brought decorated trees into their homes.

    While it is true that pagans and everyone else in Europe had a habit of decorating their dull, flower-free winter surroundings with evergreen branches, that’s about as much a religious custom as is bundling up to ward off the cold.

    As for the Easter bunny,

    The Easter Bunny was first popularized as a symbol of the season by the German Protestants…The notion that the Easter Bunny is a pagan symbol developed in the 19th century. In 1835, Jacob Grimm, the popular collector of fairy tales, suggested that the Easter Bunny came from primitive German pagan traditions. Once Grimm started the rumor, it began to spread, refined to suggest the Easter Bunny comes from the Saxon Goddess Eostre.

    However, there is no direct evidence of a pagan correlation. The first intimation of a connection arose from Jacob Grimm, and although he was a folklorist, he had no hard evidence other than his own speculation.

    Many of the claims to the contrary, e.g. “The Pagan Roots of Easter” are basically just rehashes of Grimm’s speculations.

  334. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    “a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don’t even speak Engrish that well”

    The list of highest paid gov employees is most states is topped by the flagship university’s football coach and president.

    Right below that you get a ton of prison doctors making $500,000-$800,000 by doing a ton of overtime. Their names are 95% foreign, though in California they seem to often be South Asian or Middle Eastern, and have the kind of credentials that just barely qualify for an MD.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  335. @DuanDiRen

    If I were the Maxwell lady, I would be trying out the PD Mangan fasting method just about now.

    Much more likely, Ghislaine Maxwell is out having a toasted bagel with lox and a schmear — with a Bloody Mary or two — at some cozy beach place in Israel. As she sips, she muses “What will Jeff look like after he gets his face reconstructed by that marvelous plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills?”

  336. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Right, like Dr. Nidal Hasan the Army psychiatrist/mass killer. BTW, Dr. Hasan committed his crimes over 10 years ago and they still haven’t carried out the death penalty against him.

    Arguably, someone like Dr. Hasan can stitch you up just as well as an American, but there are such great cultural differences between Americans and some of these other cultures that it’s hard to understand how you could be an effective psychiatrist. Even American shrinks are not good at predicting suicide and for a foreigner it’s probably much worse.

  337. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Donald Trump ordered Attorney General William Barr to look into this carefully . . .

    William Barr is the son of Donald Barr – OSS veteran, a former Jew who converted to Catholicism (?), the headmaster (and “employer” of one Jeffrey Epstein) at the Dalton School, a longtime college professor and educator at Columbia for decades, and the best part?

    Wrote for the New York Times regularly.

    So, I am very confident that the Barr family’s longtime close personal ties to both Jeffrey Epstein and U.S. Intelligence will result in a completely transparent, hard- hitting, “let justice be done though the heavens fall” type of honest investigation . . .

    Or not.

  338. @dearieme

    He was probably smuggled out.

    So upon whom will the coroner perform an autopsy?

    (Probably some other schmuck in NYC who had the misfortune to resemble Epstein. Somewhere near Manhattan there are right now grieving family members whose loved one was to be cremated somewhere. Instead, unbeknownst to them, his corpse was very, very useful.)

    Read the 4chan post from an employee at the Metropolitan Correctional Center from Saturday morning at 5:44 am:

    Here is a photo of the dead “Epstein” as he was wheeled out.

    Note the differences in the two men’s ears. Ear shapes do not change like that.

    These are different men.

    https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/08/10/jail-guards-watching-jeffrey-epstein-were-reportedly-told-to-leave-hours-before-he-committed-suicide/

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  339. @NYMOM

    Agreed. However, this might be why Assange is still out of the country. It would be a major international row if he died in England. It also might be why he was holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Had he been walking around on the streets, he probably would be gone by now.

    Two things about Epstein’s death that need to be mentioned. One, this puts all eyes on the Clintons again and away from Trump. Second, and this is a big one, by removing Epstein, there is no standing to block any of the massive amounts of evidence that the government has been collecting. Had Epstein gone to trial, it probably would have been locked away until June of 2020 thereby giving all of the other people implicated in the crimes time to hide. Trump is now free to go after all them. Furthermore, had Trump used Epstein to finger his political opponents and or give him a plea deal, that would have rubbed off on Trump. Besides, Trump wants to politically destroy these people not necessarily put them in jail. That is just a bonus.

    There are a lot of reasons Trump wanted Epstein gone. Oh yes, and now the narrative is no longer on shooters and white nationalists. It looks like Trump might be fighting for real.

  340. @Jack D

    I think the Mossad had the same end in mind for Epstein that they did for Maxwell.

  341. @Anon

    Here is a real reporter asking real questions about Stephen Paddock’s “autopsy”:

    https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/las-vegas-coroner-stephen-paddock-died-one-day-committed-suicide/2018/02/11

    (For those who don’t recognize Anonymous’s clever reference to “Credere, Obbedire, Combattere”, that was the official slogan for Mussolini and the Italian Fascists.)

  342. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    No, being a pimp of non-underage girls wouldn’t be an issue to my knowledge. I didn’t know anyone actually incarcerated for that offence, but there were plenty of people who bragged about being pimps. Rape of a woman of any age or anything involving kids would be an issue, though. Epstein would have been targeted if he was in general population anywhere, even without the notoriety effect. I saw people get rolled out for statutory rape with a 16 year old. Most of the other prisoners probably would have slept with the 16 year old in similar circumstances, but that doesn’t matter. “Chomos and rapos get smashed” is simply the law of the land.

  343. Mr. Anon says:
    @Svigor

    One complication is that the victims’ lawyers are going after his estate.

    ………………

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the victims’ lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.

    Not necessarily. If Epstein was indeed murdered (and I am inclined to believe he was), he wasn’t murdered on a lark. He was murdered to silence him. Any of the girls he recruited will see and understand this for the warning it was meant to be.

    An interesting point is why was Epstein arrested in the first place? Why did SDNY decide to investigate Epstein? Because they are tireless servants of the public weal and defenders of justice? Okay, go ahead an believe that if you want to. For the rest of us, who don’t buy that, the timing is still a mystery.

    Here’s one scenario: for whatever reason (the various civil lawsuits surrounding the case, for example), somebody thought that the Epstein affair might blow open wide (it did not back in 2008 – Epstein’s “incarceration” didn’t cause much of a stir back then). And maybe someone decided it was time to liquidate the blackmail operation known as Jeffrey Epstein. How to do it? Accident? Murder? Those options would raise suspicions. Suicide? Why would he commit suicide when he wasn’t even under indictment? But indict him, arrest him, and put him in jail – now you have an excuse to cover up his murder as a suicide. Yes, it still looks off, but perhaps it was the least fishy looking alternative. Plus, being under arrest, you can gather up all his papers and any other incriminating evidence.

  344. @Jonathan Mason

    You and he think alike because your opinions are carbon copies of neocon boomer Fox News soundbites.

  345. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    And you and Lot will subtlely poo-poo any notion of there being some kind of conspiracy at work in this particular case.

    Coincidence? I don’t think so.

    And, after all, what is there that is remotely suspicious in this whole matter? Multi-millionaire pervert sex-traffickers, with close personal and social connections to politicians, presidents, prime ministers, financiers, princes, movie stars, and professors, and who are appealing their remand orders, hang themselves in their jail cells practically every other day.

    • Replies: @Hail
  346. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Right. And a suicide watch is expensive because you have to have a guard doing nothing else but keep Epstein in his sight.

    A whole extra guard? Plus overtime? And merely for the highest-profile prisoner that the MCC was likely to hold this entire year? A phenomenal expense – an extravagance! Yeah, there is no way the Federal Government could make that stretch.

  347. Lurker says:

  348. but there are such great cultural differences between Americans and some of these other cultures that it’s hard to understand how you could be an effective psychiatrist

    The main job of a psychiatrist is to prescribe medications, not to give therapy. In prisons this means mostly antidepressants, sometimes anxiety drugs, and sometimes antipsychotics and mood stabilizers. The psychiatrist will also order lab work to make sure that the medications are not destroying the health of the inmate.

    Because of the potential for abuse of drugs in prisons, which are full of criminals, the list of drugs available is usually a pretty limited list and if you want stuff like sleeping pills, you are right out of luck. You may be in acute pain, but you will not be getting Oxycontin–your prison dentist will probably stop at Motrin.

    Things like levels of depression and suicide potential are usually assessed in a pretty perfunctory way using checklists of symptoms, that may be completed by someone other than the psychiatrist, like a “psych specialist” who may have a degree of some sort in psychology plus experience, but often not a PhD level clinical psychologist.

    Symptoms of depression could include loss of appetite, weight loss, lack of sleep, poor performance in school, failure to cope with living with other inmates and being away from their mama.

    A lot of inmates who declare they are suicidal have secondary gain motives, for example they want to get away from their current residential wing because they owe money to another inmate, or they will claim to be suicidal because they are angry that they did not get a phone call from home, or their baby mana dumped them by phone, or something of that nature.

    An inmate will claim that he is suicidal because he heard from home that his 5-year-old sister had died, but when social workers or psych specialists check up, they find he received no call from home, and that there has been no death in his family. At this point he is probably dismissed from suicide observations and gets a disciplinary report for making a false report.

    So the prison mental health system is not really set up to deal with high profile cases like that of Epstein, and is easily fooled by someone like Epstein as it is used to dealing with lowlife dickheads.

    Being on suicidal observations is pretty much like being punished–no personal belongings, no recreation, eating finger foods, wearing a skirt or a tough canvas jumpsuit, having someone eyeballing you 24 hours per day, even when shitting and pissing–and this is no doubt partially intentional so as to discourage false claims of feeling suicidal–so a psychiatrist probably would not want to keep a charming and pleasant man like Epstein on suicidal observation for long if he denied a suicidal plan and promised to call for his psych specialist if he felt like harming himself.

    That’s the view from Lake Wobegon, where all the comments are above average.

  349. Jack D says:

    You obviously have experience inside the prison system (and not as an inmate) unlike many other here who are sure that it was a Mossad plot.

    I realized that there is not going to be a lot of “talk therapy” with a prison psychiatrist – his main function is going to be write scrips which no other lower paid psych worker has the power to do. And thing like paranoid schizophrenia are recognizable to even a doctor from another culture.

    But I still get the feeling that someone like Epstein is more likely to put one over on a graduate of a 3rd tier foreign med school with less than perfect comprehension of American English and culture. Such Drs. are also more likely to follow the cost saving guidelines of the prison administration and not give a flying f*ck about their patients as human beings – they are all soulless foreign devils/infidels anyway (and having to deal with a prison population is not likely to change your view).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Hunsdon
  350. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Epstein was a Jewish hedonist who stole a cool half billion from a Zionist billionaire, as in so many cases the whole thing boils down to arguments between Jews.

  351. @TWS

    Because if you don’t at least try to protect your assets, you don’t get any more assets.

  352. @Jonathan Mason

    I didn’t realize Chess and Arts & Crafts were so popular in prison.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  353. J1234 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I won’t go there…other than to say it was something that could’ve been morally legit, or not…about a 50/50 chance. (I’ll also say it had absolutely nothing to do with children.) Not trying to be self-congratulatory, but I erred on the side of caution and decency. When the dirt was eventually made public, I figured that my suspicions were likely correct.

    I later became reacquainted with the accountant at Franklin just before he (and his mother) went to prison for embezzling about a million dollars from the credit union. (The story is that he had nothing to do with the child abuse.) Omaha wasn’t/isn’t such a big city that you don’t frequently run into people from previous jobs or situations. At Franklin he was quite blustery. When I met him again, he had been greatly humbled by his fall. It sounds corny, and probably naive, but some people can actually learn something from public humiliation. I don’t think Jeffrey Epstein was one of those people.

    • Replies: @J1234
  354. Paul says:

    Does anyone seriously believe that Donald Trump’s adversary John McCain died of natural causes?

    • Troll: Uilleam Yr Alban
  355. 68W58 says:
    @Alden

    I’ve worked in a prison. Maintenance was done by prison employees, no outside maintenance because that might compromise security. Of course maintenance worked a regular schedule M-F and days only.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Alden
  356. @Svigor

    I like you, Svigor. But you don’t have to respond to every post.

  357. @anon

    I wonder how this works with regard to interracial rape. For example I have a difficult time believing black guys go out of their way to beat another black inmate for raping a white woman.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @guest
  358. @Jack D

    It seems like this incident is the perfect storm to bring out the conspiracy theorist side of (almost) everyone on unz.

    Right. If you are a conspiracy theorist, then everything looks like a conspiracy anyway.

    Consider what it would take for a team of, say, three Mossad assassins to enter the prison and kill Epstein.

    They would have had to ring the doorbell, go into the lobby on camera, present their credentials for visiting the prison in the middle of the night, be issued temporary visitor IDs and body alarms, sign in, pass through a metal detector and pat-down search, and then be escorted to the correct location where Epstein was housed and find his cell, which they would have to open without a key.

    Then they would have go inside, make sure they had the right man, lift up Epstein and quietly hang him, presumably with the rope that they brought through security, unless there was one lying around, lock the cell again, and make their way out of the facility, passing through crash gates and doors opened for them en route by the master security desk, who will have watched them on cameras all the way.

    To think how many people will have had to be paid off to make this possible, given that prison people are generally rather law abiding folks who see themselves as part of law enforcement, and who have to pass stringent criminal background checks to get their jobs in the first place simply boggles the mind.

    Or maybe Mossad had long ago placed its operatives in jobs within the prison, just in case something like this happened and an inmate needed to be killed at short notice.

    Or did they arrive by invisible helicopter and come in from the roof without being seen?

    Why did they not take Epstein with them?

    This has the makings of a great movie already!

  359. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports).

    Gee, I wonder why. Did he ask for hand lotion too?

  360. @Svigor

    I don’t buy it either. The problem is, maybe Epstein didn’t want to live anymore. What did he have to live for?

    A guy with balls like Epstein’s (and yes, a guy this brazen is not given to fear) wouldn’t tell anyone he was “sad,” probably wouldn’t even know what it means to acknowledge that state, and would just do whatever he had planned to do.

  361. @Svigor

    At this point he’s basically turned over the entire U.S. intelligence establishment. Look at Comey, Clapper, and Brennan for more. The idea that an upstart who took over one of the parties to become president can do that in a day, instead of a couple years, is naive.

    Indeed, only now that he’s won the Russiagate Conspiracy showdown, is he in a position to really clean house.

  362. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D

    Jack:

    The only thing I’m sure about here is something’s damn odd.

  363. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They seldom go to prison

    • Replies: @guest
  364. Alden says:
    @Autochthon

    Thank you thank you thank you thank you

    I thought I was the only one around here who knew the definition of pedophilia.

  365. Alden says:
    @HA

    Read my comment 237 again. I didn’t write a word of the things you accused me of writing.

    You’re Wizard of OZ the asinine Aussie troll.

    • Replies: @HA
  366. goatweed says:

    Has Acosta identified the person who told him to go easy on Epstein because of “intelligence”?

  367. Hail says: • Website

    It’s being reported that “every single video about Epstein’s ‘suicide’ on the Fox site has comments disabled.”

    Such as this one: “AG Barr raises questions about Jeffrey Epstein’s death.” Comments are disabled for this video..

    Other Fox videos, meanwhile, have comments open, as in this one: “Tim Ryan on 2020 campaign: I’m for new and better, not left vs. right

  368. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Supposedly the guards were ordered to leave because of middle of the night 2 or 3 hour maintenance. If there was an order they’re off the hook.

    When I worked at UCLA they were always fixing things, putting up studs and sheet rock tearing down sheet rock and studs,. They put up some tape and cones and regular work went on.
    Maintenance, anybody who’s every worked or lived in an apartment house knows that’s not true.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Jack D
  369. @WayUpNorth

    The pictures look like a dead Epstein who hanged himself.

  370. Alden says:
    @HA

    So you weren’t making a specific response to my comment 237 but a general response to many comments by different people.

    So why did you address your insane diatribe to me instead of posters who wrote about the Rothschild ball, Torah etc?

    Probably drunk, drugged and not thinking clearly.

  371. @Counterinsurgency

    The organizing principle of highly identified Jewish actors is fear. Fear underlies every hatred.

    Peoples who are afraid can be very effective in the short term due to their ferocity. If they can’t rein it in over the long term, they anger their allies and have to face their chosen opponents, and experience a backlash just as ferocious as they are.

  372. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Pedophilia, while sick, isn’t even against the law.
    Somewhere along the way, the MSM memoryholed the term Pederast, and substituted Pedophile.
    Was Epstein a pederast?
    I’s say probably, though he’s never been charged over it.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  373. @PhysicistDave

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy.

    Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and have no discernible talents or skills.

    Clarification–for you, Alden, anyone else: I’m not particularly up to speed on the whole Epstein story. Don’t know anything about his background. But when i wrote “talented”, i’m certainly not saying the guy was going to give us a breakthrough battery technology or help develop the thorium cycle.

    My take is that the skills to be pimp to movers and shakers, and run an operation like this Lolita express to the Caribbean are not unlike those for selling cars or real estate or medical devices, or being a drug rep, or a lobbyist, or hawking financial investments, etc. etc. etc. I.e. a schmoozer. As a grandson of the soil, i tend to have a low opinion of the middle man types. My default thought is “parasite.” But there’s no doubt the sales guys can make a decent living in America. Enough to afford a wife, some kids, the four bedroom house (in a neighborhood with ‘good schools’). He could have been organizing the local little league and been “a pillar of the community”. Most importantly a father, with a family, a legacy, a stake in the future. But he chose the dark side … and lo and behold at 60 something realizes his life is a big zero.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  374. dr kill says:
    @Forbes

    I’ve been thinking this all day.

  375. dr kill says:
    @Hail

    Why did he return to the USA. He could have stayed in France.

    • Replies: @Hail
  376. Hail says: • Website
    @dr kill

    Why was he re-arrested in July 2019? Who ordered the re-arrest? Why?

  377. @anon

    What Autochthon is referencing is that Epstein is an ephebophile or, more accurately, a hebephile. It’s a frankly meaningless distinction in this case, though, as that level of granularity is not significant to society at large. Also, Epstein has been implicated receiving an offer of an 8 year old girl, albeit in a masked pedophile argot.

  378. Hail says: • Website

    It’s been reported that the Epstein autopsy has been overseen by Dr. Michael Baden.

    Pic of Dr. Baden:

    Biographical info from NNDB

    Born: 1934

    Birthplace: Bronx, NY

    Wife: Linda B. Kenney (CNN legal commentator)

    University: BS, City College of New York
    Medical School: MD, New York University (1959)

    Jewish Ancestry

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @guest
  379. @Don't Look at Me

    I didn’t realize Chess and Arts & Crafts were so popular in prison.

    They are pastimes and people in prison have a lot of time to pass, sometimes decades. There is not a lot of entertainment in prisons, so inmates have to entertain themselves.

    Inmates can play correspondence chess by calling out their moves to players in other cells.

  380. @Alden

    Supposedly the guards were ordered to leave because of middle of the night 2 or 3 hour maintenance. If there was an order they’re off the hook.

    This seems improbable and may turn out not to be true. What would make the guards leave? Removing asbestos? No, they would vacate that whole part of the building. The guards could not leave the inmates locked in their cells unsupervised. What if there is a fire or a medical emergency?

    • Replies: @68W58
    , @Alden
  381. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    you and Lot will subtlely poo-poo any notion of there being some kind of conspiracy at work in this particular case

    Volunteer Auxiliary Damage-Control Brigade

    VADCoB.

  382. BB753 says:
    @HA

    So the Guibourg satanic murders were real but the McMartin case was fabricated. How so?

    • Replies: @HA
  383. BB753 says:
    @Hail

    This doctor is over 84 years old! Shouldn’t he be retired or something?

    • Replies: @Hail
  384. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Yes, you’re likely right about that. Blacks were known to not worry so much about “keeping their car clean”. Other racial factions would likely have to force them to take care of it in that sort of situation. Whether they did so would be related to their relative numbers and strength in the prison. Prison politics can be a very tricky business, which I was luckily able to avoid to a large extent.

  385. Vinteuil says:
    @Svigor

    Will be interesting to see how much the authorities and media investigate Epstein’s death…

    Yeah…it will be interesting.

  386. 68W58 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I was a CO for about two years. Your primary responsibility is security and you are taught to never leave inmates unsupervised. Inmates in their cells have a certain amount of privacy, but you are supposed to make regular rounds. Modern prisons are engineered to take things like fire into account-for instance, the prison where I worked had huge fans in the ceiling that are supposed to suck smoke out in the event of fire. From the control booth there is a switch that can “pop” every door on a cell block and there are fire doors that can be opened from there to allow inmates to evacuate to the yard. The prison where I worked had medical staff to respond to medical emergencies, but some prisons may not. I can’t see officers leaving an entire unit unsupervised (who was in the control booth?) for any reason, so none of this makes any sense.

    • Replies: @HEL
  387. HA says:
    @Alden

    “Read my comment 237 again. I didn’t write a word of the things you accused me of writing.”

    You didn’t write comment 237 — that was by the poster “Radical Center”, though maybe the numbering changes throughout the day as early comments get deleted or taken out of moderation. You did, however write comment 235, which contained the following words:

    There was a big ring of people in the time of Louis 14 who practiced child sacrifice of babies.

    This is the infamous Étienne Guibourg case, which was one of the things I later responded to (not just in a subsequent reply to you but in some other posts, too). Likewise, I did begin my comment 255 with a sentence you yourself wrote. In other words, the “didn’t write a word” claim is clearly nonsense.

    I did spend a good deal of that post referencing the original JohnnyWalker123 post (currently 152 on my browser) which sparked the comment that you responded to in 235 (and also made mention of Eyes Wide Shut and the Rothschild sex parties which JohnnyWalker123 mentioned in comment 86 of a previous Epstein thread , but as I explained, not every post has to be all about you. I’m allowed to reference upstream portions of a thread if I so choose, even if they span different SteveSailer articles. If your ADHD or short-term memory issues prevent you from dealing with that kind of thing, you should maybe seek help, or give up the bong, or something like that.

    I’m not that familiar with the Wizard of OZ commentator you’re referring to, but maybe you should patch up your tiff with him too, because he definitely had nothing to do with any of this discussion, so I’m not sure why you feel the need to bring him in. But certainly if you can bring up people from who knows where, I’m at least allowed to reference earlier comments that actually pertain to the topic at hand. In any case, best of luck.

    • Replies: @Alden
  388. J1234 says:
    @J1234

    It sounds corny, and probably naive, but some people can actually learn something from public humiliation. I don’t think Jeffrey Epstein was one of those people.

    Of course, Larry King was not one of these people either. I ran into him again after the financial side of the scandal broke. This was at a TV station that our office was doing work at. He told me that he was looking to get an interview with (black) reporter Frank Brown to “clear this misunderstanding up,” as he put it. What a piece of shit. Franklin had stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from a convent of nuns in South Dakota (some sort of trust to be used for charity, as I recall) and I’m sure more than that from the working poor black people of North Omaha. The majority of the money came from benevolent white depositors who never thought a black owned company would steal from them. Idiots.

  389. JMcG says:
    @guest

    They weren’t in 1962.

  390. HA says:
    @BB753

    “So the Guibourg satanic murders were real but the McMartin case was fabricated. How so?”

    If you read the wiki page I referenced you will have read the following:

    According to later accounts, confessions and trials, Guibourg performed a series of Black Masses with Catherine Monvoisin (known as La Voisin). The most famous of these were performed for Madame de Montespan around 1672-3.

    There is also mention of actual bodies being discovered: “Nevertheless, upon [La Voisin’s] arrest, investigators discovered the corpses of 2,500 infants buried in her yard, most likely sacrificed the same way as in Guibourg’s ritual.”

    Suffice it to say if 2500 dead babies have been located in your back yard, you or someone close to you is clearly guilty of something.

    Conversely, in the McMartin case, there was no physical evidence that stood up to scrutiny, and the original bombshell claims (“people at the daycare had sexual encounters with animals, that “Peggy drilled a child under the arms” and “Ray flew in the air.”) were made by Peggy Johnson, the mother of one of the students, who “was diagnosed with and hospitalized for acute paranoid schizophrenia and in 1986 was found dead in her home from complications of chronic alcoholism”. (I’m likewise referencing the wiki page on that.) The other testimonies from the children themselves were subsequently determined to be coached and elicited.

    In other Satanic abuse trials at around the same time, there were claims of knives penetrating the bodies of little children, but strangely, leaving no mark. Hmmm.

    In other words, to the extent I need to give you any further evidence that all that was fabricated hysteria, I think you’re in the need of the kind of assurances that no one on an internet discussion page can give you, sadly.

    • Replies: @BB753
  391. Hail says: • Website
    @BB753

    He is too distinguished to ever fully retire. From his long-form bio:

    Dr. Baden was the chief forensic pathologist for the New York State Police, chairman of the House Select Committee on Assassinations’ Forensic Pathology Panel, and a lead pathologist and expert witness on famous cases and investigations.

    Dr. Baden worked on the John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. assassinations, and the O.J. Simpson and Phil Spector trials. Baden has also conducted private autopsies in the Michael Brown shooting, the death of New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez, and the death of civil rights lawyer and politician Chokwe Lumumba. Brown was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri August 9, 2014 […]

    Also this:

    He is the Forensic Science Contributor for FOX News Channel

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @BB753
  392. @HEL

    I want to see an autopsy by an independent pathologist; or better yet several. There could be evidence of a scuffle.

    The fact that the prison was in NYC means it is in the heart of Democrat / Liberal / Clinton country and that there could be operatives at many levels inside the walls. I was half expecting him to die from poisoning. It looks like the first hit on him failed.

    Assuming I wanted him to live, I would have flown him to a military base somewhere deep inside a red state where it would be much harder to infiltrate.

  393. HEL says:
    @68W58

    I can’t see officers leaving an entire unit unsupervised (who was in the control booth?) for any reason, so none of this makes any sense.

    This maintenance ruse claim cannot be traced to anyone with any credibility. It’s just something some rando declared, and then a bunch of other randos repeated it. That’s all.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  394. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    Sources?

    NY Times says one guard was working his fifth day of overtime, the second had been forced to work overtime.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html

    BoP also displayed considerable incompetence in the Whitey Bulger murder. I get the feeling that BoP must be heavily minority nowadays and it displays the level of competence you would expect from such an organization. As the rest of America browns, we can expect these kind of screwups all over the place and not just in the government sector – at Boeing, Amtrak, etc. Future America ain’t gonna be like Switzerland.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Alden
  395. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Yep. According to BoP , Whitey said:

    “You will have your reckoning and will pay for this. I know people and my word is good.”

    Coming from a guy like Whitey this was not considered an idle threat so BoP decide to punish him with a transfer to a “less comfortable” prison.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/whitey-bulger-murder.html

  396. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    Yes, they are going to pin it on the guards for not checking every 30 min – they already have. Of course 30 min is plenty of time to kill yourself but no matter this guy is right and the guards on duty are going to take the fall (as they should because they were probably literally sleeping on the job).

    • Replies: @Sean
  397. Hail says: • Website

    This thread (“Epstein Dead”) was buried under six new blog posts not long after it was posted, and therefore relatively less likely get lots of views for the many who interact with the iSteve blog via either the main Unz.com page or http://www.unz.com/isteve/ (as opposed to http://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/, showing all posts in ‘Teaser’ versions).

    Even so, this post, “Epstein Dead,” has become the eighth-most-commented-thread this summer (so far) here at iSteve. Two other Epstein posts from the period right after his arrest (July 6) are in the top 10, and another one on the list is from after Epstein’s first alleged ‘injury’ in prison (July 24), making a total of four Epstein posts in the Top 20.

    ______________________

    Below I list/link to the most-commented iSteve posts for June 1 to Aug. 11, 2019

    There were 337 iSteve blog posts in that period, so the below 25 posts are the top 7.5% most-commented-on posts of summer 2019 thru Aug. 11. This thread, “Epstein Dead,” is at the 98th percentile in comment-count (and may rise further) in summer 2019.

    ______________________

    1- “Has there ever been a realistic movie about White Flight?” (August 6, 2019): 604 comments [Note: This is also the most-commented iSteve thread of the past six months, as of this writing]

    2- “Jeffrey Epstein and ‘Foreign Intelligence’ “ (July 9, 2019): 551 comments

    3- “Gay Liberation Caused AIDS (June 30, 2019): 526 comments

    4- “737 Max and Outsourcing” (June 28, 2019): 466 comments

    5- “The Bonfire of the Tranities” (July 24, 2019): 455 comments

    6- “George Will Wants the American People to Enjoy More Immigration, Good and Hard” (June 10, 2019): 428 comments

    7- “US Women’s National Soccer Team” (June 12, 2019): 426 comments

    8- “Epstein Dead” (August 10, 2019): 410 comments and counting

    9- “Jewish Eugenics” [What does it mean to be genetically jewish? asks Guardian] (June 15, 2019): 409 comments

    10- “Forward: Jeffrey Epstein Is NOT a Shanda for the Goyim” (July 10, 2019): 407 comments

    11- “El Paso” [mass shooting] (August 4, 2019): 377 comments

    12- “San Francisco to Spend Up to $875,000 to Cover Up a Communist Mural for Being Racist” (June 30, 2019): 363 comments

    13- “Baltimore Is Back in the News” (July 27, 2019): 362 comments

    14- “Washington Post Obituary for an American Patriot Ends by Comparing Him to a Dead Animal Poisoning a Well” (July 22, 2019): 344 comments

    15 (tie)- “The Coalition of the Fringes’ circular firing squad” [Ocasio-Cortez Chief-of-Staff Saikat Chakrabarti vs. Amerind Congresswoman Sharice Davids] (July 13, 2019): 339 comments

    15 (tie)- “What Do You Think of Tarantino’s New Movie?” [Once Upon a Time in Hollywood] (July 29, 2019): 339 comments

    17- “The Further Adventures of Angela Saini, Now in [Anti]Scientific American” (July 30, 2019): 337 comments

    18- “75th Anniversary of Diversity Day” (June 5, 2019): 330 comments

    19- “I am Not Making This Op-Ed Up” [a Muslim-Canadian celebrating Toronto Raptors’ winning NBA Finals as a victory of diversity] (June 17, 2019): 328 comments

    20- “Jeffrey Epstein Found Semi-Conscious with Marks on His Neck” (July 25, 2019): 325 comments

    21- “Tucker Carlson Saves Trump from War with Iran” (June 22, 2019): 321 comments

    22- “What’s Going on in China?” (August 5, 2019): 320 comments

    23- “And So It Begins …” [on DNA scans on ancient skeletons: Jews vs. Palestinians] (July 8, 2019): 319 comments

    24- “Sailer in Taki’s: Invade, Invite, Implode” (August 7, 2019): 317 comments

    25- “Jury Dings Oberlin $44 Million for Anti-White Libel Against a Neighborhood Bakery” (June 13, 2019): 313 comments

  398. Gunner says:
    @Clifford Brown

    You can’t judge an egg by its shell.

  399. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    One of Sailer’s big contributions is the idea that “salesman” is the opposite of “nerd”.
    i’m a nerd. I like to know how stuff works. I look at problems from a technical standpoint, not an emotional one. That’s why I was a terrible salesman.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  400. guest says:
    @Alden

    Not specifically for “pimpage,” anyway.

  401. guest says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I was just reading about a Texas prison , I think, where black inmates enjoyed masturbating around or in view of female guards. Which was one thing if they were black or white, but the Latino inmates would NOT ALLOW this to transpire with Latina guards.

    • Replies: @black sea
  402. guest says:
    @Hail

    That guy is basically a t.v. star now. I remember seeing his HBO show Autopsy when I was a kid, and there must have been like 12 iterations of that over the years. He’s also a cable news talking head. I would’ve assumed he was retired. Who wants to look at dead people forever?

  403. @Hail

    There’s a tradeoff between number of posts and number of comments. If I step away from the keyboard for a day, a recent post will often generate an unusual number of comments as readers generate iSteve content.

  404. @Anonymous

    Thanks.

    You can make a lot of money if you can combine salesman and nerd traits.

  405. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Sleeping! All the Warden needs is a CO doing something 10 minutes before or after the time they logged themselves as doing it, not necessarily on the night Epstein died either. Everyone will be willing to believe any discrepancy was the chink in a crack proof system, there are no films made about correctional officers simply doing their job, although they are working with manipulative people who will use the subtlest interaction as a wedge.

    No wonder they are short of staff. The ones to blame are the prosecutors and judge, why would old Jeffery, an man who had absolutely no hope or anything to look forward to, not commit suicide in jail, and how could he possibly prevented from doing so. Those things never crossed anyone’s mind, but they are ‘shocked, shocked I tell you’ now to find the CO cannot stop someone in a jail (not a convict) from killing themselves. People in a jail still have hope the trial could go their way, Epstein faced a double dip prosecution for a crime he had already pleaded guilty to. That was a majot difference.

    Did they think Epstein would be like mafioso ‘man of respect’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Franzese serving Federal time at 100 years old ! Epstein not only didn’t have a sworn to loyalty criminal organisation, he lacked a single friend in the world thank to the publicity about this case especially the huge tranche released the day before, and when he saw those he knew there was only one way out.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mr. Anon
  406. @Hail

    Big city coroners sometimes go off kilter. The New York City coroner about 50 years ago was an elderly celebrity and started doing some bad stuff, although I can’t remember the details. There was a huge controversy over LA coroner Thomas Noguchi back then too, but I don’t recall whether the complaints were valid or a witch hunt.

  407. black sea says:
    @guest

    . . . the Latino inmates would NOT ALLOW this to transpire with Latina guards.

    And they say chivalry is dead.

    • LOL: Vinteuil
  408. BB753 says:
    @Hail

    Worked in the JFK autopsy? Say no more, he’s a tool.

  409. BB753 says:
    @HA

    In the McMartin case, the accusation was abuse and forced prostitution of the toddlers, not murder. Guess what? Many toddlers had STDs, and the tunnels were discovered by an independent archeologist hired by the families. But the judge didn’t admit either evidence. So, who are you gonna believe, a scumbag practicing satanist like Coronel Aquino or the testimony of innocent kids?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @HA
  410. Since the government is hopelessly corrupt and goes around “suiciding” people, why not demand that the NSA release every phone call, email, or text message Epstein ever sent or received. The 4th Amendment is a dead letter anyway; might as well put some of that NSA data to good use.

  411. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    Yes. There’s a great deal of hypocrisy going on here – OTOH the Establishment hounds Epstein into a corner where suicide is really his only rational way out and OTOH, they demand that he stick around for trial so that he can be further publicly humiliated and imprisoned for the rest of his life. In their fantasy, this was going to be like a Soviet show trial where Epstein would get on the witness stand and confess his crimes on behalf of all white men and beg the forgiveness of his victims. Why should he take that deal? What was in it for him?

    And on the third hand, THEY aren’t going to stay up all night and watch Epstein so he doesn’t kill himself and has to go thru with their fantasy show trial. Not in a million years do they want that job. That falls to a couple of blue collar stiffs and if they aren’t up to the task, they are going to take the fall for it now.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  412. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sean

    People in a jail still have hope the trial could go their way, Epstein faced a double dip prosecution for a crime he had already pleaded guilty to. That was a majot difference.

    I don’t believe that’s true. The charges he was being held on this time were different than those he plead to in 2008. Epstein also did have some legal angles to play (like the non-prosecution agreement from 2008) and the money to pay for it. Those might not have ultimately kept him out of jail, but how long would it have to? He’s already 66.

  413. Rags says:

    The Washington madam retired to her dusty garage and – wouldn’t you know it – hung herself. Lest we forget. A thoughtful judge decided the public should not see madam’s little black book.

  414. Burticus says:

    Every article by the corporate media cartel starts with the certainty that Epstein is dead. Then we have the AG’s somber assurance that his ‘death’ will be thoroughly investigated.

    Based on a history of the media’s and federal government’s corruption, lies and coverups, I start with the assumption that their premise is the usual diversionary lie, with the opposite likely true.

    Epstein was neither murdered or suicided. He was escaped by a corrupt federal government and is likely now resting comfortably with underage goy girls in a little country on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.

    Redpill78 has some interesting evidence and observations, among them that the stunt double’s nose is fat & rounded while the real Epstein’s nose is quite pointy and the ears differ too.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  415. c matt says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

    He finally tweets an accurate statement!

  416. Anne Lid says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The only way he could have killed himself with tp was if he had stuffed it in his own throat. But it is very painful to choke, unlikely that he had the guts to it.

  417. @Paul Jolliffe

    Very astute observation about the difference between the ears. Epstein lives…

  418. Alden says:
    @68W58

    I didn’t write the maintenance was done by outside employees did I? I wrote that no prison has standby electricians and plumbers sitting around on the night shift in case of middle of the night maintenance.

    • Replies: @68W58
  419. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    That comes from many news articles. It doesn’t make sense at all. The maintenance and skilled trades work regular 8-5 hours. They aren’t at work in the middle of the night. If it were such a problem the guards had to leave. They’d remove the prisoners too.

  420. Alden says:
    @HA

    If you’re going to reply to comments reply to each one. Don’t reply to several comments by different people in one comment. Read my comment. Not a word about the Rothschild ball Torah and the other things you claim I wrote.

    Learn to understand what you read.

    • Replies: @HA
  421. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Other articles have the leave because of maintenance story. You’re absolutely right Prison personnel are mostly black & brown including nurses and medical techs. So are most government employees.

  422. Alden says:
    @BB753

    STDS are clear and present evidence of sex abuse.

  423. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    The only way he could have killed himself with tp was if he had stuffed it in his own throat. But it is very painful to choke, unlikely that he had the guts to it.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  424. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    You are welcomed to look up the Tiszaeszlar blood libel, 1882, not too far back in time. Some 80 days after Eszter Solymosi’s disappearance a body was fished out of the Tisza, in her clothes, the paint she shopped for just before her sudden disappearance tied to her wrist. The body could not have been dead for more than two weeks. Think what you want, I think she did not get justice, and it was not a libel after all.

    • Replies: @HA
  425. Anne Lid says:
    @Anne Lid

    I sent this by mistake, please delete it, Steve!

  426. @Burticus

    the stunt double’s nose is fat & rounded while the real Epstein’s nose is quite pointy and the ears differ too.

    You are not properly taking account of the edema related to hanging himself and cutting off the jugular veins that would return blood to the heart.

  427. 68W58 says:
    @Alden

    I wasn’t disagreeing with you.

  428. HA says:
    @BB753

    “the accusation was abuse and forced prostitution of the toddlers, not murder”

    No, it was far more than abuse. The fact that you sanitized the accusations the way you did doesn’t do much for your credibility. From the wiki page on the McMartin trial:

    Some of the accusations were described as “bizarre”, overlapping with accusations that mirrored the emerging satanic ritual abuse panic. It was alleged that, in addition to having been sexually abused, they saw witches fly, traveled in a hot-air balloon, and were taken through underground tunnels. When shown a series of photographs by Danny Davis (the McMartins’s lawyer), one child identified actor Chuck Norris as one of the abusers.

    Some of the abuse was alleged to have occurred in secret tunnels beneath the school. Several excavations turned up evidence of old buildings on the site and other debris from before the school was built, but no evidence of any secret chambers or tunnels was found. There were claims of orgies at car washes and airports, and of children being flushed down toilets to secret rooms where they would be abused, then cleaned up and presented back to their parents…

    Johnson, who made the initial allegations, made bizarre and impossible statements about Raymond Buckey, including that he could fly. Though the prosecution asserted Johnson’s mental illness was caused by the events of the trial, Johnson had admitted to them that she was mentally ill beforehand. Evidence of Johnson’s mental illness was withheld from the defense for three years and, when provided, was in the form of sanitized reports that excluded Johnson’s statements, at the order of the prosecution. One of the original prosecutors, Glenn Stevens, left the case in protest and stated that other prosecutors had withheld evidence from the defense, including the information that Johnson’s son did not actually identify Ray Buckey in a series of photographs. Stevens also accused Robert Philibosian, the deputy district attorney on the case, of lying and withholding evidence from the court and defense lawyers in order to keep the Buckeys in jail and prevent access to exonerating evidence.

    Sadly, in any group of children in an area as divorce-ridden as LA (i.e. where children are that much more likely to be exposed to an ongoing series of elder step-siblings and step-uncles, and new boyfriends coming in and out) it would not be surprising that a few of them will have STD’s. It is still necessary to find out who actually did the crime, and towards that end, using a mentally ill star witness leveling supernatural accusations doesn’t help the cause.

    • Replies: @BB753
  429. HA says:
    @Anne Lid

    “You are welcomed to look up the Tiszaeszlar blood libel, 1882, not too far back in time.”

    I have no doubt that over the course of two thousand years, quite of Jews (and gypsies, and Irishmen, and Scotsmen, and any other ethnics one could name) have been involved in quite a number of truly heinous deeds, from Weinstein, to Leo Frank, to crimes far more numerous. But as much as I am aware that evil exists, I am also aware that hysterias and witch hunts exist too, and the fact that even on this thread, people are willing to stick up for the McMartin prosecution, whose accusations involved people flying, secret underground tunnels, and Chuck Norris, ought to tell you not to believe everything you hear. From the wiki page on the trial you mentioned:

    Although the testimony of Móric Scharf was the only basis of the accusation, the court held thirty sessions to examine the case in all its details, and many witnesses were heard. The glaring contradictions of the boy despite the careful training he received, and the falsity of his accusation as exposed by a local inspection of the alleged scene of the murder made by the court in Tiszaeszlár on July 16, resulted in the unanimous acquittal of the accused

    Consider also the fact that Toaff made the point that much of the fear surrounding blood libel actually stemmed from the genuinely legitimate and understandable fears that peasant children would be abducted during regular and repeated raids by slavers and packed away to Crimea or Istanbul — an institution in which Jews played a disproportionately dominant role, and one that resulted in over a million Europeans being sold into slavery (and sometimes castrated). There is absolutely no dispute about that whatsoever. None. And yet, to this day, no one seems to care about calling anyone to account for that (as opposed to, say, how white people are to this day collectively responsible for the Atlantic slave trade). THAT, I submit, is what you might want to focus your attention on, not on the couple dozen cases where, even if they’re true cases of blood rituals (and given the above quote, that’s plenty doubtful), they don’t begin match up to the 2,500 dead infants from just the one case of Christian (or renegade Christian) occultism, not to mention the countless others (e.g. recall how Báthory was able to escape the executioner’s grip due to her connections).

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  430. HA says:
    @Alden

    “If you’re going to reply to comments reply to each one”

    And if you’re going to reply to an ongoing discussion in a SteveSailer post on the death of Epstein, try not to lose it when people mention Epstein and matters that have previously been brought up time and time again before you chose to jump in.

    Clearly, given your issues with the Wizard of Oz, you’re someone who enjoys nursing grudges, and if that’s the way you want to live your life, feel free. Even so, I’ll continue to answer comments in the way I see fit and you’re free to ignore them if they don’t rise to your standards.

    • Replies: @Alden
  431. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Damn you!

    I’ve been looking for a reason to use Louche for months!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  432. @Reg Cæsar

    As a percentage of the total population I think the number of honest people in 1941 would closely parallel the number in 2019 given the proportion 130 million to 330 million.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  433. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D

    The poor Jooo, always being hounded by the Establishment.

    • Replies: @Sean
  434. TWS says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve worked in prisons off and on in various capacities for decades. Nobody would leave a recently suicidal multimillionaire alone that long. Top down? I’ve been the guy checking cells in ad-seg.

  435. Sean says:
    @Hunsdon

    The Day Jeffrey Epstein Told Me He Had Dirt on Powerful People
    The New York Times-2 hours ago
    Almost exactly a year ago, on Aug. 16, 2018, I visited Jeffrey Epstein at his cavernous Manhattan mansion.

    The journalists was there to talk about Tesla, and Epstein comes out with how he had sexual dirt on hundreds of VIPs. complete photographic recording Why tell his visitor these things? Because Epstein told everyone. Jeffrey Epstein was a lifelong bullshitter. It now becomes clear the story about him having all these illicit sex tapes of VIPs that Virginia Roberts has came out with were actually just her repeating one of the lines of Epstein’s 007 bullshit that he had been trying to convince anyone he came into contact with since the mid eighties.

    https://www.salon.com/2019/07/09/i-was-a-friend-of-jeffrey-epstein-heres-what-i-know/
    When we met in 1986, Epstein’s double identity intrigued me — he said he didn’t just manage money for clients with mega-fortunes, he was also a high-level bounty hunter. Sometimes, he told me, he worked for governments to recover money looted by African dictators. Other times those dictators hired him to help them hide their stolen money.
    Epstein was pleased that I was interested in writing about him. Not a profile. A book. That prospect convinced him that I should see a sample of his craft, so we met in the lobby of an office building on Park Avenue South and took an elevator to a law firm, where he intended to serve a subpoena. He didn’t get past the receptionist.

    I thought this episode . . . odd. A major financial figure trying to serve a subpoena? Don’t you hire someone to do that? My interest lapsed

    Les Wexner was more easily fooled. In fact I would not be surprised if Wexner’s has a claim on what remains of Epstein’s wealth, because it was stolen from Wexner when the superannuated billionaire was gulled into giving Epstein power of attorney. Epstein was a narcissistic con man who found his dream ‘mark’ in Wexner, and then started molesting under age girls, nothing more. A fight between high school girls, and couple of redneck cops brought him down. One Florida journalist finished the job. Still, Epstein wanted everyone to think he was James Bond, and in the end he succeeded. Barnum was right.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  436. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    Christians sooner or later admit when one of theirs commits a monstrosity. Jewish people tend to close ranks and protect the evildoer, like in the Tiszaeszlar case, and evildoers who get away repeat the wrong they did. Does not matter what Móric said. Eszter had disappeared without a trace, and the body that was fished out belonged to a Jewish woman who was dressed in Eszter’s clothes. They knew what happened to her and denied it to the end – except Móric. (I feel grateful that he told about it.)

    The slave trade, fears and prejudices have little to do with the case. It was not the Hungarian peasants or police who came up with the idea of the blood libel, Jozsef Scharf, Móric’s father mentioned first to the mother who went around asking everyone whether they had seen her daughter, that in another village a child’s disappearance was _also_ blamed on Jews, and that child merely fell asleep on a meadow. And the little Scharf boy said what he said without prompting ( but he was too young to testify).

    It truly is a mind boggling idea and I would have believed that they were innocent, if not for the strange Jewish female cadaver with Eszter’s clothes and the paint tied with a string to her wrist.

  437. BB753 says:
    @HA

    Weird, I didn’t know that divorce caused STDs in toddlers. Care to explain?
    Also, the woman who first made the accusations was found dead the day before the trial. Coincidence? Of course, she’d been declared deranged and an alcoholic beforehand by the DA and the media to discredit her.
    Now, there were actual tunnels under the McMartin daycare center. Pure coincidence?

    • Replies: @HA
  438. Now that Attorney General Barr is on the case, you have to wonder whether the dead man was struck down by Barr-Epstein virus–a kind of herpes virus that is transmitted mainly by kissing. Okay, maybe not.

  439. @Simply Simon

    As a percentage of the total population I think the number of honest people in 1941 would closely parallel the number in 2019 given the proportion 130 million to 330 million.

    However, in 1940 they were crammed into the northeast corner of the country (with a few farmers joining them in 1938). The sharpest and most honest sector of the land then is now the least.

  440. @Sean

    Good points and the Salon article is very interesting.

    This is my last comment on the fascinating Epstein story, but it does seem to be that nearly all the allegations against Epstein come back to Virginia Roberts, who seems like a chronologically unreliabe witness when it comes to dates, and no one seems to be able to explain how she, as a minor, obtained a passport and traveled all over the US and internationally with Epstein if she did not have the collusion of her parents.

    For a minor to obtain a US passport BOTH parents have to sign a consent and documentation regarding guardianship, etc. has to be presented at immigration control for a minor to enter the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the company of someone she is not related to , as she is alleged to have done with Epstein to visit Maxwell’s London home.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  441. @Lot

    ‘Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP…’

    Perhaps unproven, but hardly ‘zero evidence.’

    We have a former premier of Israel photographed slipping into Epstein’s mansion, and we have the fact that Epstein himself was closely associated with Zionist figures such as Wexler, Dershowitz, and Ghislane Maxwell. We have repeated evidence of powerful friends intervening on Epstein’s behalf — from the interference in the initial investigations back in 2008 to Acosta being told to back off. Finally, we have the fact that every known Zionist at Unz Review is very concerned to dismiss any possibility of a connection between Epstein and Israel.

    Epstein had access to enormous financial assets — and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them. If it wasn’t because he was serving the Zionists, who would you suggest he was serving? Everyone involved is either Jewish, a Zionist, a major advocate for Israel, or all three. Looking at the evidence, what’s your guess?

    • Replies: @Sean
  442. Lagertha says:
    @Pericles

    relax….everything is under cover.

  443. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer

    so love you! I so hope your wife is well….along with your sons.

  444. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    nevah gonna work – it is too late for you all. – you all started this multiculturaist garbage…well, it is on you for time in finitum. Your taxes will get higher, but you are in the cities. Hate yall.

  445. HA says:
    @BB753

    “Weird, I didn’t know that divorce caused STDs in toddlers. Care to explain?”

    Most sexual abuse of children happens in family situations, not in daycare centers, not in schools, not in scout troops or little league locker rooms, not in churches. My claim stems primarily from all the headlines I’ve read over the years about baby X being molested by the boyfriend of the mother. Admittedly, that’s not hard and rigorous data, but given all the other pathologies associated with familes where fathers are absent or removed (for which hard data is plentiful) I maintain it’s at least plausible.

    Moreover, if the DA in question had maintained that the STD’s supposedly found in the toddlers (note the wiki page makes no mention of any such STD’s, so if you have a link, maybe you should add it to that page) were exactly the same as found on Ray Buckley, or that the stories the children came up with matched the child porn found on his computer, I’d be more willing to accept the charges.

    But as far as I know, there was no evidence submitted regarding Ray Buckley’s STD’s (or any evidence that he ever had any). There was no child porn found on his computer. The crux of the prosecution’s case was a mentally ill woman spinning stories that blatantly defied reality, and interviews with children that subsequent psychiatrists admitted were “improper, coercive, directive, problematic and adult-directed in a way that forced the children to follow a rigid script”. (Again, see the wikipedia page.) Moreover, all this took place at a time when “recovered memories” (i.e. elicited and coached memories) were all the rage, a nightmare of pseudoscience that the psychological industry subsequently walked back away from.

    Ergo, I see no reason to regard this whole bad episode as anything other than Salem 2.0. Maybe another generation of historians will uncover more, and then I’ll have to reassess, but until then, I stand by that assessment.

    • Replies: @BB753
  446. Paw says:
    @HEL

    I feel so sorry , that security guards in that jail were so tired and Deadly overworked and did not have time to check their prisoners , for some time…At the same time they might not be so tired not to accept any wages for the same job..And was that tiredness so secret , no one knew about ,only after…And no any other guards were apparently at hand to be asked ,to come .. Everybody tired…
    How about supervisors ? Tired as well…

    • Replies: @HEL
  447. BB753 says:
    @HA

    The little kids were from military background. Intact families. And the accusation was that there were multiple abusers and that the children were sent outside the compound to be abused by strangers. The McMartin staff were allegedly procurers and pimps, not abusers themselves.
    If you find this hard to believe, look into the Boystown scandal and Lawrence King.

    • Replies: @HA
  448. anastasia says:

    Dead my foot.

    Powerful people, more powerful than state and federal prosecutors in Florida, got these two prosecutors to throw that case. The state prosecutor when he first got that case could not wait to prosecute Epstein. Later, inexplicably, he throws a slam dunk case. The second one did the same. The police complained bitterly and publicly about it. They could not understand how these two prosecutors were throwing what the police considered a slam dunk case that would have put him in jail for at least 20 years. Every lawyer who commented upon the case found their actions inexplicable. Those actions by two prosecutors is what I call Epstein having powerful friends. It was rumored that Acosta told the Trump transition team when asked that someone higher than him told Acosta that Epstein was affiliated with “intelligence.” But even if this last rumor about Acosta is not true, the actions of the two prosecutors tell the same story. Now, some numbskulls in the US Dist attorneys office in New York resurrect the case, and promise the American people that what happened inFlorida will not happen in New York. What are these powerful friends of Epstein going to do now. They cannot do the same thing they did in Florida. They have to have a new game plan to save Epstein.
    We are then told that Epstein tried to commit suicide a few weeks ago. We are then told that Epstei n told the jail authorities that someone tried to assault him. His cellmate Tartaglione is investigated, and removed from Epstein’s cell. Apparently, the jail authorities found the suicide attempt more credible, put him on suicidee watch, but as a precaution moved Tartaglione out of his cell, despite the fact that Tartaglione had no idea what happened to Epstein, and was the person who called jail authorities to “save Epstein’s life.” Epstein’s lawyer then puts pressure on the jail to get him off suicide watch. A psychiatrist inexplicably and against all standard of care, goes along with it and takes him off suicide watch. Another cellmate is moved into his cell, but inexplicably again, is moved out on Friday night, one night before Epstein is found allegedly dead. What has been accomplished by the actions by and in behalf of Epstein? His cellmate is moved out of his cell, and he is taken off “suicide watch”. Now he is alone in his cell, with no eyes on him. No eyes to see any actions by Epstein. Inexplicably, there are malfunctioning cameras also. Now Saturday comes and at the crack of dawn, with everyone in the jail sleeping, we are told he was foundunconscious and moved out of his cell and taken to the hospital.
    And on these facts people think he committed suicide or was killed? On those facts, I say the same powerful people, more powerful than a state and federal prosecutor, are at work to save Epstein.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @utu
  449. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    That Ehud Barak the former Prime Minister and most decorated soldier in Israel and former head of military intelligence as well is too important in Israel and its image in American politics for Mossad to allow him to be compromised in way he has been.

    Ditto Wexler and especially Dershowitz, who are are not the sort of people who would be involved in actually running a covert operation anyway. And it was not covert, Epstein himself seems to be the origin of the stories that he was gathering compromising material on VIPs for the purpose of blackmail. He was a smooth talking trickster, but also a narcissist who wanted the world to know how clever he was. He was on Edge and hanging out with scientists and Harvard professors, an entre he thought worth donating six million bucks for. Read his wisdom
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/the-wisdom-of-jeffrey-epsteins-edge-foundation-answers.html
    He wanted to be Doc Savage

    Doc was physically and mentally trained from birth by his father and a team of scientists to become the perfect human specimen with a genius level intellect. His heightened senses are beyond comprehension. He can identify a woman’s perfume from half a mile away. He is literally the master of everything.

    A year ago Epstein was had got so desperate that rather than be ignored he was dipping in the Kool Aid (a prison slang term meaning intruding into others’ interactions) and willing to be known as a blackmailer of VIPs rather that just a rich guy living the 24 hour party life dream in his Manhattan mansion.

    https://www.alternet.org/2019/08/reporter-reveals-that-jeffrey-epstein-claimed-in-confidential-meeting-to-have-dirt-on-powerful-people/

    During our conversation, Mr. Epstein made no secret of his own scandalous past — he’d pleaded guilty to state charges of soliciting prostitution from underage girls and was a registered sex offender — and acknowledged to me that he was a pariah in polite society. At the same time, he seemed unapologetic. His very notoriety, he said, was what made so many people willing to confide in him. Everyone, he suggested, has secrets and, he added, compared with his own, they seemed innocuous. People confided in him without feeling awkward or embarrassed, he claimed.

    Stewart said he arranged the meeting to discuss Elon Musk’s troubled position at Tesla. The company was facing a scandal over one of the founder’s tweets, and Musk was supposedly consulting with Epstein about the matter; Tesla denies this claim and Epstein reportedly offered no proof. Epstein also claimed, according to Stewart, that “he’d witnessed prominent tech figures taking drugs and arranging for sex.”

    Even if Dershowitz was hanging about for the sex, a Mossad controlled Epstein would not have been allowed to have him there. Dershowitz was too valuable to Israel as a media pundit for risking him in this. And don’t tell me a the Israel Lobby could not have chilled the story in Miami newspaper (Jewish advertisers) about the deal that got all this blowback on Dershowitz. Trump has given Israel its most sought after diplomatic coups, and Dershowitz is solid rock solid with Trump and Israel. They would have protected him. In fact they would have smashed the story to protect Trump because he is being mentioned in every story about Epstein’s activities.

    Dershowitz says he has never even met Roberts: ‘This is a zero sum game. One of us is committing perjury. I’m going to swear under oath that I never met her.’. A woman who has sex for money is capable of lying for the same reason. Ransome, the other woman accusing Dershwitz has now admitted lying about having a sex tape of Trump.

    We have repeated evidence of powerful friends intervening on Epstein’s behalf

    There is no denying that Epstein had the ability to win the confidence of important men and get them to do things for him, but Wexner and Dershowitz got took by Jeremy. The more evidence comes out, the more convinced I am that he was a confidence trickster with a smooth line in self aggrandizing bullcrap. When it came down to it he did not have the Israel lobby behind him He got taken down by a the other year by a reporter for a Miami newspaper, and last month he was crying on the floor of a cockroach infested jail cell while the correctional officers laughed at him.

    Epstein had access to enormous financial assets — and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them. If it wasn’t because he was serving the Zionists, who would you suggest he was serving?

    Himself. An embezzler not using his ill gotten gains for corrupting young girls would be giving grifters a bad name!

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-dershowitz-on-new-epstein-docs-virginia-giuffres-email-and-manuscript-show-she-lied-about-sex-with-me

    The emails in the court file shows Churcher responded: “Don’t forget Alan Dershowitz… J.E.’s buddy and lawyer…good name for your pitch.” Giuffre’s reply [2011] contained no reference to Dershowitz, just a simple, “Thanks again Shazza, I’m bringing down the house with this book!!”

    Twist momma!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  450. Sean says:
    @anastasia

    Well that is assuming that bosses within a prison do not have their own agendas. A Federal Supermax guard has just explained the jail staff organisational hierarchy in relation to what would be feasible for some skullduggery with Epstein.

    He knows all about these kinds of prisoners, because he guarded Jonathan Pollard, among others.

    • Replies: @anastasia
    , @anastasia
  451. @Sean

    It’s possible that Epstein just bootstrapped himself into the Jewish centrist stratosphere by charismatic con-mannery: “Mr. Wexner, you should meet my buddy Ehud, he’s going to be Prime Minister pretty soon. You guys would really hit it off!”

    “General Barak, you should meet my buddy Les, Les Wexner, the Gap guy.”

    • Replies: @Sean
  452. HA says:
    @BB753

    “The little kids were from military background. Intact families.”

    Again, some link that provides evidence of this would be more convincing than link-free assertions. I’ve seen a little what goes on at day care centers, and how there’s generally at least a couple of misfit parent(s) who are habitually late to pick up kids and who seem to be basically dumping them there. Military families are not immune to those situations, as far as I know, and they’re certainly not immune to divorce or frazzled, overstressed, and therefore occasionally neglectful parents (especially given that at least one of them was a chronically alcoholic schizophrenic).

    And yet again, you’re forgetting the part about Ray Buckley flying in the air, underground tunnels and magic toilets, and Chuck Norris, delivered by a primary witness who was mentally ill and whose condition was not revealed to the jurors, or else by children who were later determined to have been coached. You’re forgetting the part about the complete lack of physical evidence (I see you didn’t give me any link to back up the STD’s, either), the complete lack of the criminal history that might peg Buckley or his mother and grandmother as shady traffickers of anything. I’m sorry, but I have absolutely no confidence in any assessment of that trial that seeks to minimize or overlook any of those inconvenient facts. All they do is to reinforce the importance of the 4th amendment.

    And according to the wikipedia link, there were no underground tunnels found in the construction and old buildings surrounding the center, and certainly no magic toilets or evidence of Chuck Norris. If you have a link to that, provide it.

    • Replies: @BB753
  453. TheJester says:

    Jeffery Epstein was not the only one with “intelligence connections” pimping underage girls to the rich and powerful.

    The new book by Tom O’Neill, “CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties”, details Manson’s connections to the CIA. Manson’s specialty was pimping underage girls to celebrities on the Hollywood party circuit. In spite of being on federal parole and being repeatedly arrested for egregious violations of the law (sex with underage girls, pimping underage girls, firearms violations, car theft, drug abuse, drug trafficking), Manson was systematically protected by his CIA controllers. He and his “family” were often back on the street within hours of being arrested.

    CHAOS was an illegal CIA program targeting the American people from 1967 to 1974. (It had counterparts in the FBI COINTELPRO and the NATO GLADIO programs.) CHAOS was intended to identify, disrupt, and neutralize possible foreign influence on domestic race, anti-war, and other protest movements. Evidently, Charles Manson played a role in the CIA’s attempts to penetrate influential Hollywood circles opposed to the Vietnam War and/or supporting black radical movements such as the Black Panthers.

    Seen in this light, the Tate and LaBianca murders were effective as a “false flag” that discredited the Hippie movement.

    As some commentators have concluded:

    “The Manson murders sounded the death knell for hippies and all they symbolically represented … They closed an era. The 60s, the decade of love, ended on that night, on 9 August 1969.” — Vincent Bugliosi, 2009

    https://galacticconnection.com/how-the-cia-used-charles-manson-to-debunk-entire-60s-hippie-movement-2/

  454. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Hmm, I have to admit that is pretty good explanation of Epstein’s methods. He pretended to be engaged in regulatory arbitrage (offshore tax dodging) but he was actually all about social arbitrage (mediating between spheres and apparently establishing a basis for mutual advantage). He was enabling leadership to span the difference between retail, academicia, law, politics, and punditry, while and introducing these top people to other big shots gave him extra credibility because they met on his ground. It was all mutually reinforcing, but the thing was none of these people were qualified to assess him for what he was because he was a finance guy and they were not. The Wall St people were very suspicious of Epstein because to make serious money in investing you have to be a workaholic and he never seemed to do anything but party.

    I suppose the moral of the story is that when someone has an area of expertise you should trust their gut feeling about any relevant issue even if they cannot give a logical reason for it. Gigerenzer writes about this and also how formal due diligence is not a substitute.

    Barak: I’m here to find help in solving the Palestinian problem, but I’m cold

    Wexner: you call that a lining?

    Epstein: you should see my pockets!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  455. jen1 says:
    @Alden

    viagra makes blood pressure fall.

    • Replies: @Alden
  456. @Sean

    A friend of mine had a meeting with Epstein in the early 2000s. He instantly despised Epstein.

    It’s interesting how few bigshots seemed to notice that Epstein was bogus. If you are a billionaire, don’t you run into grifters a lot?

    Apparently one old friend of Wexner’s told him Epstein was bad news.

    So, I dunno …

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Jack Hanson
  457. BB753 says:
    @HA

    I see you are lazy enough to rely on the doctored Wikipedia and then ask me for links later. Do your own work. Start with Boystown, so you can understand that trafficking children is common, then Google for Gunderson and McMartin case.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @HA
  458. @R.G. Camara

    “Russian” is a slang term for a certain sexual act/position?

    Okay, then, what I want to know is what is “the lioness on the cheese grater”?

  459. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Interesting article that shows why they call it general intelligence, Jewish businessmen not all being sharks that know only balance sheets, some succeed through being empathetic.

    “He didn’t understand the numbers,” Lewis said. “He’s never understood numbers. This is not his strength. This man is a genius at dressing women. This is a guy who feels what they feel. That’s his strength. And I figured that out when I first met him and I don’t know how he got that set up in his brain but in his soul, he has a sense of how people feel when they wear his clothing. And that’s a gift. That’s just what it is. Some guys write music, this guy knows how to dress women. He’s very, very talented.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/how-jeffrey-epstein-got-his-hooks-into-les-wexner

    One of the Selachii persuasion. Sandy Lewis gave Wexner a talk that sounds like Stanley Hoff’s rant from The Big Knife,

    The conversation had been very frank, and at the end, Wexner asked if there was anything else Lewis wanted to say. In fact, there was, Lewis recalled. “Get your mother out of her office across the hall,” Lewis told him. “Why is she there? Does she help you run this business or is she just a pain in the ass? I’m pretty direct. And I said, Les, I don’t have a good feeling about this, and your sister too…. I was being direct. And he knew what I was saying…. You’re a good guy, I like you. I don’t sense you as a troubled individual but if you keep your mother around here, God knows what that’s doing to you. Get her out of here. Just forget it.”

    • Replies: @Liza
  460. lysias says:

    Bill Clinton sent political advisers like James Carville to Israel in 1999 to assist in Ehud Barak’s ultimately successful election campaign. Perhaps the fact that Barak and Clinton were both Epstein’s buddies was significant there.

  461. anastasia says:
    @Sean

    If Epstein is affiliated with “intelligence”, it would be two intelligence organizations from two different countries, one of which would be the US and the other Israel. Both work together. No jail hierarchy could compete with that. If they wanted him out and wanted his escape from jail covered up, it would be no problem. No problem at all. Very few had to know.

    They say that where Epstein got his money is a mystery. Steven Hoffenberg said that Epstein was a
    “currency manipulator” for the CIA. Lynn Forester (Rothchild) wrote Clinton a letter while he was President, and praised the work of Epstein in “currency stabilization”. Epstein was in fact a math genius. His abilities in this regard would not surprise me.

    It is clear that Epstein had powerful friends who were able to strong arm a state and federal prosecutor, and get him out of an otherwise very long jail sentence, at least 20 years. The Florida case was solid, according to the police who complained bitterly about what the state prosecutor had done and later the federal prosecutor.. There is no way those prosecutors acted within their own discretion in doing what they did. NO WAY.

    Not to see the hidden hand in all this is ridiculous. This Epstein story being played out in the media is “in your face” contemptuous of all of us.

  462. anastasia says:
    @Sean

    Notice how they are gaming us with this story. Every fact given is later contradicted. First “suicide” attempt. They tell us he tried to commit suicide; later they tell us that Epstein told them he was assaulted. His cellmate was accused. Yet, Epstein was put on suicide watch.

    Later, they tell us he was out of suicide watch; put in a cell alone. Later they tell us he was put in a cell with another cellmate that was moved out on Friday night.

    They tell us that the cameras malfunctioned. Later they suggest there were no cameras.

    Now, they tell us he tried to hang himself, but the official reports do not mention anything around his neck. When they write about how he was found, they never mention anything around his neck. Why not? What is the medical examiner waiting for in issuing her report. If there were marks around his neck showing that he was hanged, what information would she need.

    One story says that a person in another cell heard “shrieking” and guards saying “Epstein breath”. Tartaglione, a few cells down, says all was very quiet – nothing was heard.

    The only thing the media stories are able to give anyone is a terminal case of cognitive dissonance

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @midtown
  463. HEL says:
    @Paw

    Yes you’re right. The idea that a couple of regular schmoes doing a tedious job in the middle of the night where literally nothing is happening most of the time might not put in full effort all the time is just UNTHINKABLE! Workers, especially government workers, always put in 100 percent all the time no matter what and would never consider cutting corners. Such actions can only possibly be explained by a VAST CONSPIRACY!

    And I’m not saying there couldn’t have been foul play, though no, I don’t think that’s likely the explanation. But the idea that laziness or incompetence on the part of a couple guards is some incredible, impossible anomaly is absurd.

  464. Alden says:
    @Simon Legree

    The crime he pled guilty to in Florida to was pimping or soliciting customers for prostitutes.

  465. Alden says:
    @jen1

    Thanks for the information.

  466. @BB753

    Dude, he’s Hasbara, but good on you for realising you’re not arguing to convince him but bystanders watching.

    “Yeah let me lean on this wiki article” lmao. Hasbara ain’t sending their best.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @HA
  467. @Steve Sailer

    Trump was apparently the only person willing to go on the record about how much he didn’t like Epstein with investigators before this imbroglio.

    • Replies: @Sean
  468. Zinj says:

    I suspect he was assassinated, just like Whitey Bulger was assassinated to prevent him from ratting out people in power. After all, nobody but the Feds knew what his transfer itinerary was, but there was a hit ready and waiting for him at their temporary stop. So no, it wasn’t an accident, and it wasn’t a suicide.

  469. @Hail

    It would be interesting (to me at least) to work out

    1) what is the “decay rate” of commenting as later iSteve posts pile atop previous ones, and

    2) when handicapped for the decay rate, what are the most commented iSteve posts on their own merits (i.e., adjusted for boost they get from being without subsequent posts obscuring them.)

  470. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    “A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports).”

    One problem with that: according to a former inmate, there is nothing in those rooms for him to hang himself from, not even the bed would work. Also, he wouldn’t need that much toilet paper to choke himself with via stuffing down his throat, so I see no reason for him to ask for more than a few rolls.

    “Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?”

    Not necessarily. Any kind of drug overdose* produces a toxicology report and lots of public suspicion. Presumably, the thugs administering said overdose aren’t experts, so there is always the chance they could screw it up by administering the wrong dosage or the wrong drug. Also, if Epstein resisted said overdose, there could be visible marks left on the body. The most parsimonious way to kill Epstein would be by forceful choking simulating hanging since that produces marks anyway.

    Further, with all the dirt that was coming out in recent days, the sooner Epstein died the better; after his death, the powers that be can start work on suppressing the information. The moment Epstein left any kind of federal prison he’d be safer because, presumably, the deepstate couldn’t have compromised agents in every single state or local prison system considering its massive size. They’d want to kill him ASAP and from a point of strength. Him being taken off suicide watch and the cameras not working is incredibly suspicious. The character witnesses stating he was in good spirits makes it worse.

    *There is an exception I can think of. From the wiki on the Mossad assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh:

    “Al-Mabhouh was injected in his leg with succinylcholine, a quick-acting, depolarizing paralytic muscle relaxant. It causes almost-instant loss of motor skills, but does not induce loss of consciousness or anaesthesia. Then al-Mabhouh was suffocated. Al-Mazeina said, “The assassins used this method so that it would seem that his death was natural.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh

    My understanding is that succinylcholine is very difficult to detect in a post mortem examination. Unless the medical examiner is specifically looking for it, it may go unnoticed as it does not usually show up on a normal tox screen. However, a lot of nursing homes and hospital deaths check for succinylcholine because it is the drug of choice for “Angel of Mercy” aka “Angel of Death” serial killers.

  471. midtown says:

    Barr has reassigned the warden, Shirley Skipper-Scott, along with two staffers (the guards?). This might be the most momentous diversity hire error in American history.

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/shirley-skipper-scott/

  472. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    “Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail. Detained pedophiles require special attention. Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult. https://t.co/YK4buPXmR9”

    — Rod Rosenstein (@RodRosenstein) August 10, 2019

    A former inmate in that prison said it was impossible for someone to kill himself considering the layout of the cell. In the past 20 years (and 20k+ prisoners), only one other person has successfully committed suicide in that prison. The only way I could see it happening is if the cell for suicide watch inmates was different from the one for ordinary inmates (did the latter have a window or a bunkbed?).

    Further, Epstein only possessed pornographic materials relating to other – powerful – people. He was not a pedophile himself. There was every expectation that he could have cut a deal in exchange for handing over more information on powerful people.

    “Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.”

    — Ron Bassilian (R) (@Ron4California) August 10, 2019

    Mossad has a long history of assassination, including by suffocation. That is not a conspiracy theory:

    “Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was an assassination that took place on 19 January 2010, in a hotel room in Dubai. Al-Mabhouh—a co-founder of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas—was wanted by the Israeli government for the kidnapping and murder of two Israeli soldiers in 1989 as well as purchasing arms from Iran for use in Gaza; these have been cited as a possible motive for the assassination … His assassination attracted international attention in part due to allegations that it was ordered by the Israeli government and carried out by Mossad agents holding fake or fraudulently obtained passports from several European countries and Australia. … In March 2010, the British foreign secretary, David Miliband, expelled an Israeli diplomat after the UK’s Serious Organised Crime Agency discovered that Israel had forged copies of British passports. On 24 May, the Australian government expelled an Israeli diplomat after concluding that there was “no doubt Israel was behind the forgery of four Australian passports” related to the assassination. Similar action was taken by Ireland. Israel has refused to comment on the accusations that its security forces were behind the assassination.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh

  473. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    “psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.”

    Not always true: “Johann ‘Jack’ Unterweger was an Austrian serial killer who committed murder in several countries … After being convicted of an additional nine murders in 1994, he committed suicide in prison by hanging himself.”

    Although in Unterweger’s case, he only killed himself AFTER conviction. Smooth-talking charismatic psychopaths usually think they can beat the system until it becomes obvious they cannot. In that light, I’d say Epstein’s death is suspicious.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Unterweger

    “The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn’t become news?”

    Probably very few if they couldn’t find any evidence of them. The is a NYC newspaper in the heart of the nation’s largest city with impressive access compared to most sources in nearly any red state.

    “Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP.”

    The weight of the evidence certainly suggests that he was working for Israel. He had ties to the daughter of a famous Mossad agent, he met with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak (whom he also had business dealings with in Israel – perfect front to launder money beyond the reach of American regulators), he was pals with a prominent and deeply-connected Israel-first billionaire Les Wexner (who is now claiming Epstein swindled him out of up to $500 million – pure BS), his source of income was mysterious and ill-defined, he had lots of dirt on lots of powerful people in a scam eerily reminiscent of your classic honeypot operation … and former labor secretary Alexander Acosta directly stated that he was told to lay off because Epstein was “intelligence” … etc etc etc.

    “But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay.”

    Well, they succeeded the first time. If Acosta hadn’t personally intervened, the Florida attorneys would have let him off with nothing. That’s why Acosta’s office got involved in the first place. Paraphrasing “they wanted no charges [Florida state] and we thought that was unacceptable”. By all accounts, Epstein’s interment was unusually light, to the point where one official has stated that he was surprised they made Epstein do any time at all; Epstein slept there at night and was allowed to leave during the day to go to his job. Further, Acosta himself was accused of breaking the law in his effort to let Epstein skate – after he was told to lay off because he’s “intelligence” that is. That intelligence is most likely Mossad. There was an obvious cover up here, and it very nearly succeeded.

  474. Well, finally after three days we got Epstein’s supposed method of suicide. This should have been reported immediately, but the blameworthy parties needed time to get their stories straight.

    How dumb and nonsensical was it? Eleven on a 0 to 1o scale. The claim that he made a bedsheet noose, placed it around his neck and just kneeled toward the floor is laughable.

  475. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    “The paranoid mind believes the conspiracy first, facts are fitted to the conspiracy or just ignored.”

    People have good reason to suspect foul play considering the former labor secretary Alex Acosta directly stated he was told to lay off Epstein because he was “intelligence” and the situation was “above his pay grade”.

    “They were SUPPOSED to be checking on him every half hour. But, and I know this is shocking, sometimes prison guards don’t do their jobs.”

    They did their jobs so poorly that in the past fifth century there has been exactly one other death by suicide in that prison.

    “Consider what it would take for a team of, say, three Mossad assassins to enter the prison and kill Epstein.”

    Not much depending on how they did it: 1) worked with the CIA 2) bribed a guard 3) bribed a fellow prisoner to kill Epstein 4) impersonated federal officials …. etc. It would take just a sec to get in and kill the guy and then walk out. Mossad has done similar things in the past. There is no reason to over complicate this unless you are purposely trying to throw off the dogs. People are right to suggest this may have been an assassination.

    “Or did they arrive by invisible helicopter and come in from the roof without being seen? Why did they not take Epstein with them?”

    A classic bit of misdirection is to pose an unlikely – ridiculous – scenario in order to debunk the more obvious one. Thus, the “invisible helicopter” nonsense. Back here in reality, nothing stops a person from simply walking through the front door or sneaking in a sux needle for a prisoner to use. It’s not that difficult. Further, as others have pointed out, the risk of taking Epstein was far too high. If he were discovered on the outside, it would be absolutely clear a conspiracy was afoot. They aren’t going to take that chance. No intelligence agency would. You’re being absurd on purpose because your ulterior motive is to cover for your ethnic group in Israel – a common motif with several of the posters here.

    “The problem is, maybe Epstein didn’t want to live anymore. What did he have to live for?”

    He hadn’t been convicted of anything at the time of his death. There hadn’t even been a trial yet. Epstein beat this kind of thing once before so there was every indication in his mind that he would think he could beat it again. The timing of this makes zero sense. If he had committed suicide AFTER conviction, that might make sense, but killing himself before trial – before all the evidence was presented in public – now that is some interesting timing.

    “Supposedly the guards were ordered to leave because of middle of the night 2 or 3 hour maintenance. If there was an order they’re off the hook.”

    Both of them at the same time? Perhaps one of the guards but not both. Does it really take two large men for simple maintenance? One rule in assassination is to make it look plausible. The best way to do that is to piggyback on something else – car brakes give out (plausible, happens all the time), guy with a food allergy encounters an allergen (happens), routine prison maintenance (just have both of them go instead of one … I guess it could happen), natural death (use succinylcholine), etc.

    “Epstein had access to enormous financial assets — and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them.”

    Delivered by invisible helicopter, I guess. Maybe brought down with a rope made from toilet paper, too.

  476. @Alden

    Rudy Giuliani, a former police chief/DA/ mayor, makes an excellent point in an extremely pithy video on youtube: Whether one is a suicide risk is a function of certain conditions and it is unusual to satisfy those conditions on Monday and fail to satisfy them on Thursday. You don’t need to ask a psychiatrist! Epstein faced life in prison. If not isolated he would face an ugly death at the hands of a fellow prisoner. If isolated his life would be hell. So he had lots of ongoing incentive to kill himself. This is not an arcane theorem of psychiatric pseudo-science but a fact of the human condition.
    Giuliani also points out that you can take him off suicide watch without taking him off WATCH. As the most vulnerable and important prisoner in the facility he should have been on video camera 24/7. Stories about incompetent or overworked guards don’t add up. Any sensible jailer would see that Epstein was continuously monitored by competent guards in addition to videocam.
    I would add that stories about ‘overworked guards’ and ‘substitute guards’ must be classified as attempts to divert the investigation, since both points are worthless.

    • Replies: @Sean
  477. @Jonathan Mason

    Epstein reportedly had hundreds or thousands of videos of friends and clients having sex with minors, so whatever the case may be with Virginia Roberts, there will be plenty of material to go through and plenty of rich and powerful pervs to prosecute, if our government has any integrity.

  478. HA says:
    @BB753

    “I see you are lazy enough to rely on the doctored Wikipedia”

    It’s at least something. You’re so lazy you can’t even be bothered to do that — what does that tell you?To the extent all this was doctored, it’s curious that they had to wait five years while Buckey sat in prison as convicted Satanist pedophile. That must have been some picnic, but hey, who cares about that, right? We have to think of the children, after all.

    “you can understand that trafficking children is common”

    What? I don’t need convincing that trafficking children happens in shocking numbers, and if you have to start putting words in my mouth to make your case, what does that tell you about how stupid your case was to begin with? But guess what? — murder is common, too. That still doesn’t mean that every accused person is guilty, especially if the main witness is mentally ill and claims the defendant can fly through the air. Are you saying people flying through the air and getting flushed down magical toilets are a common occurrence too? If so, that would explain the rest of your posts.

    If you look at, say, “Operation Cathedral/Wonderland/The Orchid Club”, involving over a hundred pedophiles in over a dozen countries and 1200 victims (there’s a plenty long wikipedia page on that, too) you’ll find plenty of actual evidence that no one has since bothered to deny or retract, i.e. evidence that doesn’t defy the basic laws of physics. How is it that Wikipedia managed to keep that up without the Illuminati or the lizard people or Mossad shutting (or whoever) shutting that down?

    Lastly, if you actually bothered to read the wikipedia page I linked to, they do have an extensive section on the archaeologist that the parents hired to try and find the “secret tunnels”. He did claim to find something, but the subsequent excavation found a sewer pipe with stuff dating from the 60’s, on top of an undisturbed concrete slab, if I’m reading that correctly. Another source says that Stickel and Gunderson worked together:

    Parents hired former FBI agent Ted L. Gunderson, who worked as a private investigator, and archeologist Gary Stickel to aid in the dig. Gunderson claimed he found a “subterranean opening, ” under one classroom, and another underneath a bathroom. Gunderson said that the “tunnel” may have been dug by a utility company, according to the news service UPI…Investigators had used sonar trying to detect “soft spots” under the building’s foundation, which possibly could indicate hollow areas, according to the Los Angeles Times. However, no conclusive evidence was ever found at the site. On Aug. 1, 1990, all charges against Ray Buckey were dismissed after a second jury become deadlocked on eight counts of child molestation against him.

    Yeah, real slam dunk argument you got going there. I’m sure in another week or two they would have likewise found the magic flush-toilets and the secret underground lair where Chuck Norris keeps his pedophile dungeons right next to the records of how he and Bigfoot killed the Kennedys.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Autochthon
  479. HA says:
    @Jack Hanson

    “Dude, he’s Hasbara, “Yeah let me lean on this wiki article” lmao.”

    If you had actually read the wiki page I quoted from, you would have found that the key “villains” in that whole saga include:

    The chief prosecutor, a certain Lael Rubin who (much like Sabrina Erdely in that Philadelphia trial) was dating/marrying the LA Times editor overseeing coverage of the case, a certain David Rosenzweig in a clear conflict of interest.

    Also. there’s Wayne Satz a reporter for the local ABC affiliate who eventually began sleeping with the social worker who was “interviewing” (i.e. coaching) the kids. His own wiki page notes that “Satz did not reveal the relationship, and continued reporting the unchallenged claims.”

    Yeah, nothing fishy about that, no sir. And if someone like me wants to highlight the bumbling, feckless, and dishonest work of people with names like Rubin, Roenzweig and Satz, it can only be because I’m Hasbara. Seriously? That’s what you think? What a strenuous regiment of mental gymnastics you must need to make it through the day, if that’s how your mind works.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  480. @HA

    Sir, I salute your seemingly endless patience.
    Be informed however, that to be accused of pedophilia means to be guilty of pedophilia.
    Q. E. D.

    • Replies: @HA
  481. @Anonymous

    Dreaming the Iron Dream – one of the finest essays I have ever read/listened to.
    RIP HAC

  482. BB753 says:
    @HA

    You sound like a Wikipedia editor. Keep researching! Now you’ll tell me Aquino was a choirboy!

    • Replies: @HA
  483. HA says:
    @BB753

    You sound like a Wikipedia editor.

    If true, that would certainly be a step up from you, given that you sound like lazy tool, muttering about people and topics that, when I do look them up, it turns out were already extensively discussed in the very same link you refuse to even acknowledge or read or supplant with anything more authoritative. Wikipedia is all messed up and in on the game, according to you, but all I have to do is plug Gunderson and McMartin into a search engine and the truth will be made clear to me. I guess the Mossad is simply incapable of doctoring search engine results. Who knew?

    That being said, even your level of pathetic stoner logic don’t sink to that of Jack Hanson, who, despite the fact that I’m defending people with names like Buckey and McMartin from the shenanigans of people with names like Rubin, Rosenzweig, and Santz, insists that I’m the Hasbara dupe around here. That is some toxic level of stupidity he’s managed to build up. I’m amazed the guy can even work a keyboard. With people like that on your side, not to mention a mentally ill schizophrenic who insists that child care workers are able to fly through the air with their Satanic powers of levitation, that’s some ace team of justice and righteousness you’ve assembled there.

    Man, that is truly next-level mind control that the Mossad et al. must be capable of, to the extent that they’re able to marshal even those who go around denouncing Hasbara into doing their bidding! It’s like 4d chess squared, or something.

    • Replies: @BB753
  484. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Flip

    Why is Mossad more likely than Saudi intelligence? He met with MBS many times.

  485. Sean says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Trump is said to have banned Epstein from Trump’s Palm Beach resort after Epstein made a pass at a masseuse. He knew that Epstein lacked the common sense to understand that; yes, the physical therapy was done by qualified and attractive young women, but although Trump has been explicit about the youth and looks not being unconnected with the beneficial effect they had on the state of mind of the male guests, trying to solicit sex from them was the mark of an idiot.

    Epstein was not an idiot in the most important things though. He knew how to flatter, a lot of people will not do that. Sandy Lewis made the mistake of giving straight shooting advice to Wexner about not having his female relatives involved in the business, in what must have sounded like an epic ‘Why you suck” speech to the recipient. In the Vanity Fair piece it is quite clear to me at least that Wexner’s decision to replace the hard charging finance specialist Lewis with Epstein, and then give Epstein power of attorney over Wexner’s huge fortune stemmed from Lewis mistaking Wexner, a colossus in the retail world, for someone who was able to process the content of being pulled up like that without any slow burning resentment.

    “Get your mother out of her office across the hall,” Lewis told him. “Why is she there? Does she help you run this business or is she just a pain in the ass? I’m pretty direct. And I said, Les, I don’t have a good feeling about this, and your sister too…. …. You’re a good guy, I like you. I don’t sense you as a troubled individual but if you keep your mother around here, God knows what that’s doing to you. Get her out of here. Just forget it.”

    Always flatter the boss.

    According to another Vanity Fair article Trump was apparently told in 2015 by the then owner of the National Enquirer that Epstein had photographs of Bill Clinton getting handsy with a young girl.

  486. BB753 says:
    @HA

    I don’t trust the Wikipedia. And neither should you. But whatever. Listen, I’ve got a real job and I can’t do the work for a basement dweller/Wikimedia editor like you. Do some real research and then come back to me. I’ve been reading about McMartin since 1995 when you were still wearing diapers. Well, maybe you still do, to play non-stop Fortnite on your computer.

    • Replies: @HA
  487. Sean says:
    @jack daniels

    Giuliani is not a former police chief.

    Stories about incompetent or overworked guards

    These institutions are ran on a budget and there actually is no way to check someone in the middle of the night unless you wake them up. If you want to blame someone then blame the judge who sent him there. Epstein was a self confessed sex offender and Federal cases are well known for being virtually impossible to bea, . He knew he would never walk barefoot on the beach and feel the wind in his hair ever again.

    Whether one is a suicide risk is a function of certain conditions and it is unusual to satisfy those conditions on Monday and fail to satisfy them on Thursday

    One might think that, but the policy in US prisons is different. Being on suicide watch for more than three days is quite unusual. Being on it for weeks is virtually unheard of. I won’t post it again but the video of the ex federal supermax guard (sunglasses) talking about Epstein makes that point.

    The idea that the world changes around one as time flows is wrong, everything changes and we are part of that everything. Jeffrey explained that on his Edge answers. The relevance to people who try suicide or are thought to be a risk for it is they have been found to think it over and change their mind in a few days. But most prisoners are not as old, hopeless or publically reviled as Epstein. The judge’s remarks and the esculating level of public hate against Epstein is something the jail is not designed to cope with. He was quite possibly the most intelligent prisoner they ever had there.

    Epstein was a master manipulator. He needed to be off suicide watch and to get rid of his cellmate to be able to catch the bus, so he said that he hadn’t attempted suicide and what actually had happened was his psycho bodybuilder cellmate attacked him. Epstein knew as soon as he was sent to jail awaiting trial that the jig was up, and he was never going to be free. As he said on Edge:-

    Epstein’s First Law

    Know when you are winning.

    Epstein’s Second Law

    The key question is not what can I gain but what do I have to lose.

    Nothing to look forward to, plenty to dread. I anyone had a better reason for committing suicide than Epstein. Do you think he would be stopped by the thought that the publicity around his suicide might cause an increase in the suicide rate? In that and every other way Epstein was a moral imbecile who existence meant everyone else had hell to pay.

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/3/18522559/13-reasons-why-netflix-youth-suicide-rate
    3 Reasons Why, Netflix’s controversial show about teen suicide, has been hit with a new wave of bad press.

    Since before the show premiered, experts have warned that its premise, which revolves around the suicide of a 16-year-old girl and depicts it in graphic detail, could lead to an increase in teen suicide attempts. Now a new study suggests that the theoretical increase may have come to pass. The study’s authors say they have found an association between the release of 13 Reasons Why and a nearly 30 percent jump in suicide rates among US youths

  488. Liza says:
    @Sean

    This is not his strength. This man is a genius at dressing women. This is a guy who feels what they feel. That’s his strength. And I figured that out when I first met him and I don’t know how he got that set up in his brain but in his soul, he has a sense of how people feel when they wear his clothing.

    What pathetic, asskissing, insincere swill.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain, Alden
  489. One rumour has it Epstein died of a self-administered karate chop to his throat, thereby destroying his windpipe, and so cutting off all oxygen to the brain (take it from there…) and hence bringing on his sudden death.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Twodees Partain
  490. Sean says:
    @Orest Slepokura

    You have discovered the link between Epstein’s death and the McMartin paedos: Chuck Norris!

  491. @Orest Slepokura

    Yeah, and if that tale doesn’t catch on, they’ll claim he dove through his own asshole and broke his neck.

  492. HA says:
    @BB753

    “I don’t trust the Wikipedia. And neither should you.”

    I already tried your method of searching for Gunderson. You didn’t like what I came up with then, either, perhaps because the article I found relied on much the same sources as in the Wiki article, including major publications, networks and at least one book. That may not rise to your level of esoteric/expert knowledge on the topic, or personal acquaintances with the people involved, but I suspect I regard random strangers on the internet assuring me that they know the real truth in much the same way as you regard Wikipedia.

    To the extent that you obviously have enough time to write post after post of this topic, but not enough time to provide a single solitary link that would substantiate what you say, be it that these kids had STD’s that none of the families (or their fathers’ overseas-military-deployment “acquaintances”) might have transmitted, your story is simply not adding up either. I’m amazed that you don’t seem to get that, and still think I should somehow trust you, which I regard as another vindication of Dunning-Kruger.

    Clearly, however long you claim to have been at this, you are bent on simply ignoring anything that doesn’t conform to your judgment. Before you level the same accusation at me, I at least gave you something to look at. You couldn’t even be bothered to do that.

    Ditto for your supporters who are apparently not only of the opinion that the Mossad backed Epstein and Maxwell (which I completely, understand), they were also somehow involved in running the child-trafficking in and around Los Angeles in the mid-80’s. If those are the kind of people who are supporting you, that should tell you something.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Alden
  493. HA says:
    @byrresheim

    “Be informed however, that to be accused of pedophilia means to be guilty of pedophilia.”

    Indeed. Interestingly, the pitfalls of that approach were readily recognized on this site during the Kavanaugh hearings. But in this case, the “believe all accusations” and “believe every prosecutor” approach evidently has passionate advocacy. Not even nonexistent STD’s, not even flying Satanists and magic toilets, not even a public admission by one of the “victims” that he was coached into the accusations will stand in the way. After all, no matter how ridiculous, it’s all still smoke, and where there’s smoke there must be fire. I guess those witches in Salem had it coming, too.

    Oh yeah, and anyone who disagrees with that must be in cahoots the Mossad, though I’m still struggling with how to make sense of that.

  494. utu says:
    @anastasia

    Florida lawyer who represented Jeffrey Epstein victims says he isn’t convinced the billionaire pedophile killed himself because he was ‘too vain’ and always defended what he did
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7357743/Lawyer-represented-Jeffrey-Epstein-victims-doesnt-think-killed-himself.html

    Jeffrey Epstein was in ‘great spirits before his death and thought he’d be bailed out’, as it’s claimed he was taken off suicide watch after telling lawyers injuries from his ‘first suicide attempt’ were inflicted by cellmate
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7358577/Jeffrey-Epstein-great-spirits-suicide-death-thought-hed-bailed-out.html

  495. Nodwink says:

    more likely that Epstein was strangled, according to WaPo https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1161843444752551937

  496. Richard B says:
    @dearieme

    “The politically connected multimillionaire was awaiting trial on new allegations of sexually abusing young girls in the early 2000s when he was magically whisked away by a Deus Ex Machina in the shape of The Star of David.”

  497. Richard B says:
    @Johnny789

    About the only thing we do know for sure is that he didn’t use Occam’s Razor.

  498. Skeptikal says:
    @Alden

    “Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

    That was in exchange for Stalin’s ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation”

    Czechoslovikia? Russian KGB? Made Israel a nation?
    (Antennae quivering)

    That couldn’t have been a Maxwell pere operation now, could it??

    • Replies: @Alden
  499. How do you fix an autopsy ? The autopsy of President Kennedy provides a useful guide . Use a body double ; use corrupt medical personnel ; use corrupt independent experts and use disinformation , intimidation and murder .

  500. @Forbes

    Anyone know where the body is?

  501. @Johnny789

    Wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation.

    What are you suggesting? That he choked on his own penis?

  502. @Jonathan Mason

    It seems to me to be at least as probable as any of the other theories, that the USG Deep State simply took one of their own out of danger. “How was he killed?” begs the question “Was he killed?” The records he left, aired in court would probably be harder to suppress than the row over his “suicide”. It certainly looks as though whatever was done was done with the full cooperation of the prison, not in spite of it. Probably, if there is a “rogue element” in this story it is the authorities in South NY that had him arrested.

  503. @al-Gharaniq

    I don’t quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone else did it.

    Highly unlikely = Very improbable. (Im)probabilities multiply each other, so now multiply that improbability by the improbability of the cameras “just happening to be out of order” by the improbability of his not being on suicide watch.

    What this makes clear is that whatever the real story is, it is very, very improbable the one that is being told to us is true.

    “But that” I hear you cry “means that the government is lying to us!” OK, Now compare the probability that the story we are being told is true with the probability that the government is lying to us. The choice is yours but I know which I would choose. (As a working hypothesis, that is!)

  504. Anon[929] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a recap of the available information. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions, but it should be obvious if you’re being honest.

    >Epstein’s American targets were disproportionately powerful democrats, the party less likely to support Israel: Bill Richardson (former Secretary of Energy and one-time potential presidential candidate); Bill Clinton (former US president); Donald Trump (a democrat during his association with Epstein); senator George Mitchell; Larry Summers (Clinton’s treasury secretary) …

    >Epstein’s foreign targets include a Saudi crown prince, a British PM and a member of their royal family, and (potentially) a former French president. These targets represent the three most crucial non-American countries for Israeli security. Importantly, France had a history of impartiality in Middle East affairs in regards to Israel-Palestine until a certain corrupt French president came to power around the same time Epstein was running his operation.

    >Epstein Made it Clear He Was Interested in Collecting Dirt, and He Tried to Solicit it From Victims.

    “His very notoriety, he said, was what made so many people willing to confide in him. Everyone, he suggested, has secrets and, he added, compared with his own, they seemed innocuous. People confided in him without feeling awkward or embarrassed, he claimed.”

    “That’s M.B.S.,” he said, referring to Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. The crown prince had visited him many times, and they spoke often, Mr. Epstein said.

    “He said that criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable. He pointed out that homosexuality had long been considered a crime and was still punishable by death in some parts of the world.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/the-day-jeffrey-epstein-told-me-he-had-dirt-on-powerful-people/ar-AAFI7k5

    It’s obvious to me Jeffery Epstein was attempting to solicit incriminating statements from this journalist. I’m aware of at least one report of Mossad bragging about having a mole in the NYT, so this tactic isn’t necessarily rare or extraordinary. They get a journalist on tape saying he thinks sex with underage girls is fine, then they own the guy. From that moment forward, he reports favorably on Israel. When this attempt failed, Epstein tried to solicit further meetings with this journalist with the promise of letting him write his biography. This was likely a second attempt to solicit damaging statements.

    >Epstein was in contact with Donald Trump’s attorney Alan Dershowitz. He’s a noted supporter of Israel who authored a booked entitled “The Case for Israel”.

    “According to Boies, Epstein’s former employees said in sworn depositions that they saw Dershowitz at the house multiple times without his wife.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque

    >Alan Dershowitz described as an “attack dog” for Israel by Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson:

    >Victims have stated Epstein’s accomplice was Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of a famous Israeli spy given a state funeral in Israel. Maxwell stands accused of being Epstein’s madam (she recruited young girls for his operation).

    The Vanity Fair article also hints that Donald Trump himself had contact with Epstein. A former employee at his Mar-a-Lago restort, a locker-room attendant, sued Maxwell for defamation.

    There are pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell in the presence of prominent democrat, and former Secretary of State / presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton.

    “Bill Clinton pictured with Jeffrey Epstein’s social fixer at Chelsea’s wedding AFTER severing links with disgraced pedophile.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906981/Bill-Clinton-pictured-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-social-fixer-Chelsea-s-wedding.html

    >Ghislaine Maxwell’s Father, Robert Maxwell, Was An Alleged Spy for Israel’s Mossad – executed by them for attempted blackmail.

    “Robert Maxwell also nurtured another, more driving, and—until now—altogether hidden ambition, and that was to spy for Israel’s Mossad”

    “According to Thomas’s well-placed sources in Israel, Washington, and London, Maxwell first came into Mossad’s orbit in the 1970s, when the crack Israeli spy organization stole from the United States its most sophisticated piece of intelligence-gathering software, Enhanced Promis. Of it Mossad made an electronic Trojan horse, secretly amassing strictly classified information from inside the very organizations worldwide to which they were selling it.”

    “The Maxwell-Mossad team steals spy software PROMIS from the United States, Mossad puts an undetectable trap door in it so Mossad can track the activities of anyone using it, then Maxwell sells it around the world (including back to the U.S. — with the trap door).”

    https://m0ckingbird.com/robert-maxwell-israels-superspy-the-life-and-murder-of-a-media-mogul/

    “Robert Maxwell set out to build a media empire. He ended up like a John le Carré villain embracing spooks across the world. Even his death is an enigma.” … “At the beginning of World War II a young Czech (Jewish) refugee, born Jan Ludvik Hoch, enlisted in the British Army as Private Robert Maxwell.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ghislaine-maxwells-father-was-a-dark-and-mysterious-figure-just-like-jeffrey-epstein?ref=scroll

    >Epstein’s targets weren’t particularly wealthy. Some were, but most were not. Therefore, this could not have been primarily an extortion effort as some claim. In any case, the purported wealth Epstein accumulated cannot be reasonably accounted for considering the wealth of his victims.

    “How Epstein obtained his fortune is a matter of feverish speculation. His claim to a billionaire-only client list now seems laughable to the bankers I spoke with.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque

    >Epstein’s source of income is vaguely defined at best. He had very few confirmed clients. One was Les Wexner, a prominent Jewish billionaire and supporter of Israel and other Jewish causes:

    “When movie mogul Steven Spielberg, Seagram Chairman Edgar Bronfman Sr. and former hedge-fund manager Michael Steinhardt met at Mr. Steinhardt’s Manhattan apartment last month, the main topic was neither films nor high finance but considerably more complex than either: being Jewish.

    The three men, among others, were convened for a meeting of the “Study Group,” also known informally as the “Mega Group,” a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation’s wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen. Formed…”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB894240270899870000

    >Epstein’s few known business investors in the United States includes Les Wexner, a powerful Israel-first billionaire who is deeply connected to the rich and the powerful – the perfect man to introduce Epstein to others at the top of society. Wexner now claims Epstein stole tens of millions from him, possibly up to $500 million. An alternate explanation is that Wexner, a wealthy Jew with Israel on the mind (like Robert Maxwell), fronted Epstein, either willingly or through feigned ignorance, the cash for his operation so that the program could not be directly traced back to Israel.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeffrey-epstein-taught-a-retail-legend-a-hard-lesson-be-careful-who-you-trust-11565964001

    >Alan Dershowitz Comments on Then World’s Richest Man Bill Gates Being “Advised” by His Client Jeffery Epstein

    “Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein met with Microsoft founder Bill Gates more than once after serving time in jail for soliciting an underage prostitute — to discuss ways to increase philanthropic spending, according to a new report.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/16/jeffrey-epstein-met-with-bill-gates-to-discuss-philanthropy-after-he-was-jailed-for-sex-crimes-report/

    >Former labor secretary Alex Acosta only got involved in the Epstein case once his office learned that Florida attorneys planed to let Epstein off with no charges despite the seriousness of the accusations.

    “Acosta said Wednesday that the case started as a state matter, not with his office. He says that the Palm Beach state attorney’s office was “ready to let Epstein walk free. No jail time. Nothing. Acosta says federal prosecutors found that to be unacceptable. He says prosecutors presented an ultimatum of pleading guilty to more serious charges that required jail time and restitution.”

    https://apnews.com/3e4f9649200f424e8bd2a53a68a804c6

    >Former labor secretary Alex Acosta directly stated during his vetting for labor secretary that he was told to lay off Epstein because he was “intelligence” and “above his pay grade”. Acosta then let Epstein off with an unreasonably light sentence. He’s even accused of breaking the law in his haste to let Epstein skate.

    ““Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade.“I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)…”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-10/bombshell-alex-acosta-reportedly-claimed-jeffrey-epstein-belonged-intelligence

    “Federal prosecutors in Florida—including President Trump’s current Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta—broke the law when they signed a secret plea agreement with billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, a Palm Beach judge ruled Thursday. U.S. District Judge Kenneth A. Marra ruled that the decision to keep more than 30 of Epstein’s accusers in the dark about the non-prosecution deal that allowed Epstein, a prominent financier with political connections, to avoid federal prosecution was unconstitutional. By signing the deal, Marra ruled, Acosta and other DOJ lawyers violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (CVRA), which guarantees victims the right to speak with prosecutors.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/alexander-acosta-trumps-labor-secretary-broke-the-law-in-jeffrey-epstein-case-judge

    >How the Epstein Case was Handled per Ann Coulter:

    “Why wouldn’t police bring their case to the local prosecutor, who was overseeing the investigation and issuing subpoenas? Because they did. Unfortunately, the local prosecutor in this case was a sleazebag, activist Democrat named Barry Krischer. When Krischer, then Palm Beach state attorney, found out the target was Epstein, a big Democratic donor, he refused to prosecute. It was only because of Krischer’s active obstruction of the case that the Palm Beach chief of police, Michael Reiter, begged the FBI to intervene.” … “The police had sworn statements from dozens of witnesses, including five underage girls who said they’d been paid to engage in sex acts with Epstein, as well as statements from 17 other witness” … “Krischer took the highly unusual step of presenting the case to a grand jury (a trick Florida prosecutors use when they don’t want an indictment, but want it to look like they tried).” … “The jurors returned an indictment on only a single count, “solicitation of prostitution”

    “The deal Acosta’s office struck with Epstein required him to plead guilty to state crimes — no federal offenses at all. Why? Because sex with underage girls is a state crime, but the state attorney refused to prosecute.” … “Without Acosta stepping in to at least try to clean up after Krischer, Epstein never would have served a single day in jail.”

    “He’s still a member in good standing of the Florida bar. Last December, Krischer was honored by the Anti-Defamation League for making “an outstanding contribution to the legal profession and to the community at large, while exemplifying the principles upon which [the ADL] was founded.”

    The ADL is a prominent American Jewish group that advocates for Israel and Jewish ethnic interests. They’ve been involved in numerous past scandals, including one where they were accused of keeping intelligence files on American citizens. They condemn anyone criticizing the foreign country of Israel or Jewish ethnic interests.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2019-07-10.html

    >Republican congressmen believe Epstein was a Mossad agent:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque

    >Epstein had a business relationship with Ehud Barack, former Israeli PM and chief of military staff.

    “Epstein bankrolled a considerable part of Barak’s investment in a startup called Reporty Homeland Security. Barak: These are private investments, it wouldn’t be proper to expose details.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-revealed-jeffrey-epstein-entered-million-dollar-partnership-with-ehud-barak-in-2015-1.7493648

    This company was outside American regulatory purview. As a result, this company could have, in theory, been used as means of laundering money back to Epstein without leaving a paper trail. Tellingly, Barak refuses to comment on his company’s financial dealings with Jeffery Epstein.

    More:

    “A Likud Party spokesman commented: ‘This lie won’t let Barak escape having to explain to Israeli citizens what he was doing in the home of his convicted pedophile friend Jeffrey Epstein and why he received from his foundation $2.3 million for research that never existed.’”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/despite-barak-s-lawsuit-ultimatum-daily-mail-keeps-epstein-article-1.7535844

    >Epstein and Ehud Barak Had Extensive Contact:

    “Ehud Barak met with Jeffrey Epstein, the financier and convicted sex criminal who faces new sex trafficking charges, at least 10 times, but never met him “in the company of women or young girls,” the former prime minister and Democratic Israel chairman told The Daily Beast in an interview published on Monday.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/barak-says-he-met-epstein-at-least-ten-times-but-never-in-the-company-of-women-1.7529725

    >Mossad Has Recruited American Jews to Help Them Spy On the United States

    “Hollywood billionaire was a spy, an illegal arms merchant and a corrupter of politicians”

    [Arnon] Milchan, some might recall, is a Hollywood billionaire movie producer born in Israel, well known for such films as Pretty Woman and Bohemian Rhapsody. He is less well known for his role in arranging for the procurement and illegal transfer of U.S. technology that enabled the Jewish state to develop its own nuclear arsenal. Far from being ashamed of his betrayal of the adopted country that helped make him rich and famous, in 2011 he authorized and contributed to a ghost-written biography, which he boastfully entitled “Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon.”

    https://americanfreepress.net/israeli-accountability-begins-now/

    Like Epstein before his death, it remains a mystery why this man has not been brought to justice for his crimes. Also like Robert Maxwell, Arnon Milchan is a foreign Jew given citizenship in a Western country. Both men betrayed their host countries with ease. That seems to be a running theme.

    >Another purported source of investment for Jeffery Epstein comes from billionaire Apollo Global Management founder Leon Black (source: Vanity Fair). According to his wiki:

    “Black is a son of Eli M. Black (1921–1975), a prominent Jewish businessman who emigrated from Poland and was best known for owning the United Brands Company.” His father committed suicide after learning federal authorities were investigating him for bribery. He also seems very interested in his Jewish ancestry “On December 22, 2015, it was reported that Leon Black purchased at auction a complete set of the Daniel Bomberg Babylonian Talmud for $9.3 million. According to a press release from the Sotheby’s auction house, the sale is “a new world auction record for any piece of Judaica.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Black

    >Epstein was previously found unconscious in his cell. Two theories were prominent at the time.

    One, his former cell-mate attacked him. This man is a corrupt, former New York cop convicted of murdering people to cover for a drug operation. He reportedly spent much of his drug money on steroids; his is is a large man.

    There were marks on Epstein’s throat after the first “suicide attempt”. His cell mate, suspected in an attack on Epstein, was then removed from Epstein’s presence.

    Two, Epstein had attempted suicide. But there is a problem with that theory. According to one former inmate in that prison, suicide is virtually impossible in that facility. In fact, only one successful suicide before Epstein has occurred in that prison in the past 20 years.

    “A review of published stories found only one such death in the past 21 years, the 1998 suicide of South Philadelphia drug kingpin Louis Turra, who reportedly hanged himself.”

    “Jeffrey Epstein’s shocking death occurred at an ultra-secure federal lock-up where suicide is supposedly next to impossible. Yet Epstein, 66, apparently managed to hang himself in his cell in the Special Housing Unit on the 9th floor of the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center at about 6:30 a.m. Saturday.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    It is claimed Epstein hanged himself with a bed sheet from the top of a bunk bed. However, the plausibility of this is disputed.

    >Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself

    “Between the floor and the ceiling is like 8 or 9 feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.”

    “Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars. They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

    >Epstein autopsy finds broken bones in his neck

    CNN: “This sort of break can happen when a person hangs themselves or dies by strangulation, forensics experts told the Post.”

    Epstein reportedly hanged himself with a sheet. However, this kind of break – hyoid bone – is more common in strangulations than in hangings. Previously, Epstein was found unconscious in his cell with marks around his neck; his cell-mate was rumored to be involved, hence his removal from Epstein’s presence.

    US district judge on that incident: “US District Court Judge Richard Berman wrote to the warden to inquire about the July 23 incident, saying “to my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what the BOP (Bureau of Prisons) concluded about that incident.”

    The CNN report goes out of its way to suggest the absence of guards is understandable due to work conditions / laziness: “10 of the 18 people there were working extra hours. One other person was scheduled to work but didn’t. On the shift from 4 p.m. Friday until midnight, six of 20 people present were on overtime and one person scheduled to work was absent.”

    …both of them at the same time for three hours when he’s not supposed to be left alone for more than 30 minutes?

    MSNBC, a left-wing network known for attacking anti-war skeptics within the democratic party, has also pursued this narrative with videos such as, “Epstein’s Death Shines Light On Trump’s Starving Prison System”. Translation: Epstein’s death was caused by poor government funding; nothing to see here, move along; this story is about boring federal funding facts.

    Further: “Officials have cautioned to CNN that they don’t know what the staff members were doing during that time and are still trying to pin that down.” … “The two guards aren’t talking to investigators and have hired lawyers, people briefed on the matter have told CNN.”

    One of the guards had been temporarily reassigned to Epstein and both reportedly volunteered for the position: “One person familiar with the matter said both employees had volunteered.” … “ one was not currently a detention guard but was temporarily reassigned to that post.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-broken-neck/index.html

    >“Jeffrey Epstein told guards someone tried to KILL HIM before his death”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jeffrey-epstein-told-guards-someone-tried-to-kill-him-before-his-death/ar-AAFE4er

    >Epstein Told His Attorneys Former Cell Mate Attacked Him.

    “Epstein was treated for neck injuries following the July 23 incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in lower Manhattan, law enforcement officials have said. At the time, Epstein was sharing a cell with former Westchester County cop Nicholas Tartaglione, who faces a death penalty trial in four drug-related slayings upstate. Epstein told his lawyers that “the cop roughed him up, and that’s why they got him off suicide watch,” the source said.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/epstein-told-lawyers-that-cellmate-nicholas-tartaglione-roughed-him-up/

    >Rumor: Epstein paid someone to keep him out of his cell for up to 8 hours per day.

    “He speculated that the woman could be a lawyer — as the multimillionaire paid members of his legal team to visit him for nearly eight hours a day, so he could avoid his cell and sit in a room designated for attorney meetings, NBC News reported last week.”

    “I think she was there just to babysit him, and keep him out of his cell, and just keep him company for eight hours a day,” he added. “Which is not supposed to be the way it works.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/16/jeffrey-epstein-spent-hours-alone-with-mysterious-woman-in-lockup/

    >“Epstein Guards Suspected of Falsifying Jail Logs”

    >Epstein’s Body Claimed By Mystery Associate

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/16/jeffrey-epsteins-body-claimed-by-mystery-associate/

    >Epstein’s former body guard states that Jeffery Epstein received a police tipoff before a raid:

    I get that. But you and I have a history at this point. One thing you told me, for instance — okay, one thing you told me is he got a heads up when the authorities were going to come to his house the night before.

    Listen, what you say is between you and me —

    You told me he would get phone calls the night before and eight o’clock the police are going to come. He would get a heads up from local police.
    [Silence.]
    You told me that, Igor. Want me to read the quote?

    Well, you can read whatever you want right now. Don’t just — you can put yourself in big trouble.

    You said: “He always do something wrong. There was some nights in question. There was at home arrest and police, before they come to the house, they call him and tell him they coming in at eight o’clock in the morning. It’s all corruption you know. It’s all bullshit.”
    Listen, don’t put yourself in trouble. Seriously.

    May I ask you one more question?
    Go ahead.
    Have you been talking to anyone in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you?
    [Long pause] Um. Great talking to you. Seriously. We talk later.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

    >YouTube may be suppressing and demonetizing independent videos on Jeffery Epstein:

    “What Really Happened to Jeffrey Epstein?” has accumulated more than two million views in 24 hours after upload, but yet it has been kept off the trending list. It has also been demonetized. There is also the possibility that YouTube has deleted top comments from this video alleging YouTube is keeping it off the trending list.

    >G. Maxwell’s Relationship to Cargometric’s CEO

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/ceo-scott-borgerson-denies-hes-dating-epstein-pal-ghislaine-maxwell/

    Cargometrics is a shipping logistics company. Presumably, if one were interested in combating a BDS effort, one might want to have contacts at the companies regulating sea bound trade.

    Cargometrics CEO is member of the Council on Foreign Relations and has ties to the US military. He has endorsed the adoption of polices that would give the US more say in global oceans governance. That would be seen as a plus if you’re a certain country that controls US foreign policy. Notably, the US is one of the only major countries on the UN Security Counsel to regularly, and often unilaterally, veto resolutions condemning Israeli polices.

    https://www.cfr.org/content/bios/Borgerson_bio_Aug08.pdf

    “The time is ripe for President Obama to press for Senate passage of the Law of the Sea Convention and expand U.S. influence on oceans governance, write Scott Borgerson and Thomas Pickering.”

    https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/climate-right-us-joining-law-sea-convention

    The NSA is known for infiltrating global regulatory bodies with the purpose of influencing them to adopt policies making it easier for the agency to hack computer networks.

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  505. @Anon

    Epstein’s contacts like Bill Clinton, Lex Wexner and Ehud Barak tended to be pro-Israel centrists. But that’s a pretty common position among Anglo-American elites.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  506. DaveE says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Yes. Whether Epstein was suicided or is now hanging out by a swimming pool in Tel Aviv is almost trivial and irrelevant. He is silenced and that’s all that matters to the zionist “Mafia”.

    But this incident exposes, to the dumbest rube or Evangelical Christian, just how ENORMOUS this ethnic mafia truly is.

    Prison management, the ambulance company management, hospital management, the press local and non-local…… they’re ALL in on it. Whatever “it” is. (Sorry to sound like Bill Clinton……)

    The zionists are EVERYWHERE Epstein wanted to be. And didn’t want to be. They just EVERYWHERE.

  507. ‘Epstein’s contacts like Bill Clinton, Lex Wexner and Ehud Barak tended to be pro-Israel centrists. But that’s a pretty common position among Anglo-American elites.’

    It speaks volumes that Ehud Barak is among the ‘Anglo-American elites.’

    Two of the three people you mention are Jews. One is neither Anglo nor American — but I think he can be safely listed among our ‘elites.’

  508. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    “Epstein’s contacts like …”

    Those contacts likely included French president Nicolas Sarkozy and Hispanic Governor Bill Richardson. The democratic party has always been a little less reliably pro-Israel due to their lack of a gullible mass of religious voters. Thus, pro-Israel types on the left have had to rely on a combination of talented Jewish politicians, Hollywood talent, and hefty donations to hold the line against – apathetic at best and hostile at worst – POC. The same goes for Europeans who are (or were) far less likely to be balls-to-the wall for Israel in their conflict with the Palestinians. Tellingly, Epstein target Senator George Mitchell was heavily involved in Middle East peace negotiations. Epstein’s target list clearly points to this being a Mossad operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Report_(Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict)

  509. What real proof is there that Epstein actually returned to the United States ? Intelligence agencies use body doubles on a regular basis .Everyone is relying on reports broadcast by the mainstream media which is totally controlled by the cryptocracy . After consulting with media experts in 1917 JP Morgan purchased the 25 leading newpapers and periodicals of the period and promptly fired their editors . Thereupon Congressman Oscar Callaway accused Morgan of being an agent of the Rothschilds and that they had purchased the American media industry . Today the media is even more controlled than it was in 1917 and has been infiltrated by the CIA , see :The CIA and the media : 50 facts the World needs to know ” by Professor James Tracy .

  510. BB753 says:
    @HA

    Who mentioned Mossad in this connection? Does Hasbara pay well, or does it just help with college tuition? Myself, I’m planning on joining the ranks of all-powerful Russian trolls, you know the ones who can sway elections on a budget.

  511. BB753 says:
    @dearieme

    Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive and free. And she knows about as much about Epstein’s dirty operations as Epstein. She even partook in abusing young girls.
    Her being still free and alive speaks volumes.

  512. Alden says:
    @Skeptikal

    Probably not as Maxwell operated in Britain at the time. These were American Army Air Force Jewish pilots who delivered the latest American radar equipment to the Russians.

    American Jews from the newest Yiddish only speaking communist arrivals to Untermeyers and Oppenheimer were universally pro communist in 1947.

  513. Alden says:
    @HA

    Why do you keep posting irrelevant nonsense about something that occurred decades ago??

    You’re trying to pull the thread away from Epstein to another notorious case.

    So why are you trying to distract the thread away from Epstein, prominent American politicians and the Israel Lobby? Most of us assume you are an active Sayinim Israeli sleeper agent.

  514. Gordo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Epstein’s contacts like Bill Clinton, Lex Wexner and Ehud Barak tended to be pro-Israel centrists. But that’s a pretty common position among Anglo-American elites.

    Yes it is. Why?

  515. Alden says:
    @HA

    Reply to my comments. Don’t reply to several comments made by different people when replying to my comment. Again, I didn’t write the words Rothschild Torah etc you claimed I wrote.

    FYI moron you meant Talmud not Torah. Torah is the first 6 books of the Old Testament the Jewish part of the Bible. Talmud is Jewish writings about what they’d like to do to the evil goyim and their thoughts about Jesus

    And why are you going on and on about totally irrelevant human sacrifice and the McMartin case? You’re all over the place with everything you can think of but the Epstein case

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