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The English Language as a Trojan Horse in Japan

A couple of weeks ago I hypothesized in Taki’s Magazine:

That raises the question of why Japan’s ruling class didn’t feel the necessity of going down the same mass-immigration path as did so many other advanced countries: Why is Japan such an exception? …

Another reason is that Japan is linguistically quite isolated from the growing worldwide dominance of the English language.

If elites unthinkingly think alike, one reason could be because they increasingly share a language: English. …

As a side effect, the prevalence of English spreads American ideological fads.

For example, over the course of my lifetime, the American media, such as movies, has shifted to an assumption of “Our Ancestors, the Immigrants” from “Our Ancestors, the Pioneers.” …

But the Japanese are remarkably immune to American verbiage. That may be because the Japanese are terrible at learning English.

From DW.com, the German public broadcaster (in English):

Impact of Japan’s shrinking population ‘already palpable’

Japan’s birth rate fell to a new record low in 2014, with data showing just over a million new births. Social scientist Fabio Gygi talks to DW about what the decline means for the nation’s economy and society as a whole. …

Moreover, a positive stance towards immigration is still seen by most politicians as the quickest way to lose an election. The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.

Interestingly, attitudes towards immigration in Japan become more positive the more fluent a person is in English, suggesting that boosting English education may help to make the Japanese more accepting of immigration.

 
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  1. But the Japanese are remarkably immune to American verbiage. That may be because the Japanese are terrible at learning English.

    WARNING NSFW or anywhere else.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That's embarrassing to watch on a couple levels.

    First, the folks don't really know what they're saying. I mean they don't understand the nuances and connotations of the words they're saying. Their knowledge is likely limited to "this is a mildly taboo word" and "this word literally means copulation."

    Of course, this type of thing applies to anyone learning another language.

    More specifically to the Japanese, they are such an extremely polite people. It is surreal to see them saying these things so openly.

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  2. I’d assume that rootless cosmopolitan Japanese businessmen&SWPLs (maybe we should call them SJPLs) are more likely to learn English.

    Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year. Of course, under that plan, it’d take about 300 years to equal 1 year of immigration to America. So I think Japan should be okay. America might be screwed though.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year."

    Most of those highly skilled immigrants are going to be from other East Asian nations, not vastly different people from them like MENA Muslims and Sub Saharans.

  3. Japan’s far-right wing is very infuential.
    I learned Japanese for 2 years and traveled there three times. In many hotel rooms in Tokyo, you can easily find books (most of which are Japanese history books written by right wingers) denying Comfort Women and Nanking Massacre.
    In some book stores, you can see books like “Why Koreans are inferior”, “Ugly uncivilized Chinese”, “Japan has never been an invasive country “…
    Japan’s attitude towards war crime is the opposite of Germany’s – it could be a good thing when dealing with situations like immigration.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Don't forget my favorite, Den Fujita's The Jewish Way of Doing Business. Somehow that hasn't been translated into English.

    Boosting English education may help to make the Japanese more accepting of immigration.
     
    Well, we'll certainly have to try it. Can't have a successful nation resisting being wrecked.
    , @Gabriel M
    Is any of this translated into English and buyable online?

    It kind of seems like it would be impossible to defend Japanese conduct in the run-up to and during WW2, but then I used to think that about the Confederacy. Worth finding out.
    , @flyingtiger
    How do Japanese historian talk about such subjects as Pearl Harbor, Midway, and the Marians Turkey Shoot? I am curious.
    , @Perspective
    Japan could offer Germany, indeed the rest of the West, a blue print of how to assuage its suicidal guilt.
  4. English has too many words – too many ways to say something while making others think that you’re saying something else. It’s a bullshitter’s tongue.

    Best to stick with the old Germanic wordhoard, insofar as one can.

    • Replies: @IAmCorn
    I remember Reader's Digest printed an essay back in the '80s or '90s titled "The Glorious Messiness of English". IIRC correctly the essay said French has a vocabulary of approximately 75,000 words whereas English has a vocabulary double or two and a half times that.

    I wonder what English would look like if the Normans had lost at Hastings.
  5. Language is such a huge barrier. All sorts of nuances are lost in conversation. I wonder if it’s an evolved response.
    ,
    The other odd thing about language, to me anyway, is you acquire the accent of your childhood peer group, not your parents.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze

    The other odd thing about language, to me anyway, is you acquire the accent of your childhood peer group, not your parents.
     
    I've thought about that one too.

    I think there's an evolutionary advantage. Say Tribe A beat your tribe, killed the men, took the women and small children for their own use.

    If Tribe A didn't look look any different from your tribe, the only distinction would be language (or accent).

    So the captured children copy not just their peers but their better-off peers in Tribe A. By the time they're teens, they're no different in language, accent or appearance from Tribe A. They would have better life outcomes (ie chance to marry have their own children).

    Maybe I'm over-thinking it. But this scenario (irrelevant now) would have been very common eons ago.

    It may not be irrelevant now either. Immigrants without an accent because they arrived as small children are at an advantage.
  6. Japanese are my favorite foreign students and immigrants. They are generally friendly, goofy, clean, fashionable, pleasant to be around, and loving of mainstream America.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Japanese are my favorite foreign students and immigrants. They are generally friendly, goofy, clean, fashionable, pleasant to be around, and loving of mainstream America."

    Does San Diego have a sizable Japanese population?
  7. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    This is the exact same problem that we have in India.

    The early British influence was probably for the best, since we imbibed their values when they were at the peak of their expansionary stage. Victorian morals, sex-segregated schooling, a sense of fair play, rationalism, political order and a lot of other good stuff.

    But that was a long time ago. Now the Anglosphere is a civilization in decline, grown fat and lazy from its success. But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly. Gay pride, divorce fests, slutwalk, illegal immigration, no borders, anti-”hate”, globalism, hedonism, thug life, Kardashians.

    Truly the gospel of national weakness.

    My one hope is that Trump’s win turns the tide enough in Britain and America to make liberalism uncool in India.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly.
     
    Maybe they have just been part of the same broader Indo-European culture.

    I love your post and mindset btw.

    In some ways Indians capture the classic greatness of former Britain better than the British. For example, the best English nursery rhyme videos for my kids are Indian and they are perfect.
    , @AER
    Kardashian/thug life culture is not a product of the Anglosphere, since the cultural origin of those is not Anglo-Saxon. Anglosphere may be the conduit, but it is not the seed. It's important to make that distinction, because India's acceptance of black culture is its own volition.

    If you haven't noticed, South Asian immigrants love hip hop more so than even the natives. Meanwhile, hip hop in, say, Korea or China is quite marginal compared to various forms of pop and even rock. Honey Singh is a homegrown artist. I think you're too complacent on just how much the black hip-hop/thug culture appeals to Indians on a natural/emotional basis.

    As for illegal immigration, Modi came to power in part because he promised to get tough on illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and you guys are already building a big wall on the border. So I don't see how you can complain on that front.

    Finally, on hedonism, you have a stronger argument.

    , @Thrasymachus
    It's not so much English as the Anglospheric culture which creates degeneracy.
  8. @Triumph104

    But the Japanese are remarkably immune to American verbiage. That may be because the Japanese are terrible at learning English.
     
    WARNING NSFW or anywhere else.

    https://youtu.be/T9-OWfS2Vy4

    That’s embarrassing to watch on a couple levels.

    First, the folks don’t really know what they’re saying. I mean they don’t understand the nuances and connotations of the words they’re saying. Their knowledge is likely limited to “this is a mildly taboo word” and “this word literally means copulation.”

    Of course, this type of thing applies to anyone learning another language.

    More specifically to the Japanese, they are such an extremely polite people. It is surreal to see them saying these things so openly.

  9. Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve’s work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.

    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.

    When did it become a democratic government’s role to mold the electorate’s will rather than do the electorate’s bidding?

    • Replies: @CC
    The average Japanese home is larger than many in Western Europe, and they have plenty of green space and wilderness. They simply have a stronger preference for urban living since they don't have to worry about crime or bad schools.
    , @Anonym
    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve’s work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.

    One difference aside from the language is that people like Barbara Lerner Spectre can't pass. They are identifiably non-Japanese.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
    , @dfordoom

    When did it become a democratic government’s role to mold the electorate’s will rather than do the electorate’s bidding?
     
    That's been the standard operating procedure for a very long time. Many decades, in fact possibly more than a century.
    , @Pericles

    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated.

     

    Yet the Japanese countryside is simultaneously depopulated. But with that said, it might be interesting for other states to study what happens in the scenario of a steadily shrinking population. Of course, we here in the West prefer to replenish the shortfalls with Arabs, but still.
    , @AndrewR
    This has always been the case, of course. Democracy has always simply been a vaneer used to increase a government's apparent legitimacy in eras and places when the populace gets too uppity.

    And frankly, there's nothing new about globalists openly admitting that the government's role is to control the populace as opposed to fulfilling its will.
    , @pyrrhus
    Absolutely right, and there are indications that MITI views it that way, desiring to make Japan more "anti-fragile" with respect to food.
  10. @Lot
    Japanese are my favorite foreign students and immigrants. They are generally friendly, goofy, clean, fashionable, pleasant to be around, and loving of mainstream America.

    “Japanese are my favorite foreign students and immigrants. They are generally friendly, goofy, clean, fashionable, pleasant to be around, and loving of mainstream America.”

    Does San Diego have a sizable Japanese population?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    No. I've lived many years in San Diego, in and around San José, and in Seattle. Seattle seemed to have the most Japanese; San Francisco may have more ethnic Japanese, but they seem to have more commonly descended from Japanese who came to the U.S.A. more than a century ago.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    These are my observational impressions; I welcome corrections via empirical, statistically valid data.
  11. I think this is more correlation than causation. Japanese who know English well have generally travelled abroad more than most Japanese have. It’s understandable that people more familiar with the gaijin would welcome more gaijin into Japan. Similar to how people in cosmopolitan American cities are generally more pro-immigration than people from cow towns.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Plus so many of the foreign teachers here are Shitlibs through and through. Writing curriculum about gay marriage, etc.
  12. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'd assume that rootless cosmopolitan Japanese businessmen&SWPLs (maybe we should call them SJPLs) are more likely to learn English.

    Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year. Of course, under that plan, it'd take about 300 years to equal 1 year of immigration to America. So I think Japan should be okay. America might be screwed though.

    “Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year.”

    Most of those highly skilled immigrants are going to be from other East Asian nations, not vastly different people from them like MENA Muslims and Sub Saharans.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    True. 2/3 of them are Chinese.

    Japan taking in educated Chinese migrants is like America taking in Eastern Euros. Less than ideal, but still more than capable of assimilating.
    , @AKAHorace
    On this scale immigration is probably a good thing.

    To quote Stalin "quantity has a quality all of its own"
  13. Here’s an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance

    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”

    Chinese men run tight game.

    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”

    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is so depressing. Competing with foreign males is just a reminder of nature's brutality.
    , @PiltdownMan

    "A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”"

    Chinese men run tight game.
     

    The PUA industry just overthinks this stuff.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    I see the same dynamic at my university here in Japan. The Chinese girls are rather successful at getting boyfriends among the Japanese male students. Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls. Yet the Chinese (and the occasional Thai) females tend to be more extroverted and socially adept than many of the Japanese.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    How do you say "onion" in Japanese?
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Great examples, except that
    Japanese Food >>> Chinese Food.

    It's not even close. Silly girl!

    , @Daniel Chieh
    God, we are such brutes, I guess.
    , @AndrewR
    Natural selection.

    Japanese shyness is unnatural.
  14. Japan has a lot of old people so of course it has fewer people who can learn a second language. Having lots of old people and few young people is apparently good for keeping one’s culture but at the cost of perhaps not having a culture or anything else eventually.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Why is having lots of old people around a bad thing? They're people, too. Unless one has a slave driver mentality, old people aren't regarded as negatively as you seem to regard them. Especially in a culture like Japan's which tends to revere the elderly more than many other cultures.
    , @Lurker
    Whereas as replacing your population with vibrant strangers has no downsides at all!
  15. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anony-mouse
    Japan has a lot of old people so of course it has fewer people who can learn a second language. Having lots of old people and few young people is apparently good for keeping one's culture but at the cost of perhaps not having a culture or anything else eventually.

    Why is having lots of old people around a bad thing? They’re people, too. Unless one has a slave driver mentality, old people aren’t regarded as negatively as you seem to regard them. Especially in a culture like Japan’s which tends to revere the elderly more than many other cultures.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Unless one has a slave driver mentality, old people aren’t regarded as negatively as you seem to regard them.
     
    Say what you will about the slave drivers, they offered their workers the best retirement package available in early America.
  16. The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.

    “Government of the people, by the people and for the people” translates to a pretty universal signal of good governance. Yet here we see columnists who believe it is the government’s job to educate the people to “proper values.” As a thought experiment, what if some intellectual cabal took shape and, over time, developed an ideology that random mass slaughter was a “proper value” – should government then try to convince people to change their minds and step up to the Logan’s Run carousel?

  17. How do they keep their real estate industry under control? They apparently have no difficulty abandoning large amounts of real estate. Once abandoned the possible gain from filling vacant real estate with immigrants is enormous. So I don’t quite get how they control their real estate people and their desire for quick enormous gains. Is it ‘zen’ or something? For an American, it seems impossible to believe.

    How do you explain Singapore?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They're not really built to endure for centuries.
  18. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    This is so depressing. Competing with foreign males is just a reminder of nature’s brutality.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    If it's brutal, isn't it better to know that is the case than otherwise? Who convinced you you couldn't compete? win?

    It is in fact brutal, but not just brutal. To get to the non-brutal part, you have to beat the brutes.
    , @Dumbo
    Yep. And liberated women just go for the more aggressive guys, no second thoughts or remorse about their ethnically closer (ex-)partners.

    I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time. The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can't, for Blackey.

    Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice.
  19. Maybe the Engrish speaking Japanese are more open to immigration of (white) English-speaking persons, like clean-up power hitters and executives who help them export their goods?

    Is there any evidence that English speaking Japanese are open to Zeroth Amendment immigration, where the most desirable are the most dysfunctional, backward, ignorant, violent and unassimilable? Also, it occurs to me that Japanese society would be one of the most difficult to assimilate into, so maybe they’re not all that concerned that some foreigners will overwhelm them.

    And yes, I meant Engrish:

    http://www.engrish.com/

  20. @Jefferson
    "Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year."

    Most of those highly skilled immigrants are going to be from other East Asian nations, not vastly different people from them like MENA Muslims and Sub Saharans.

    True. 2/3 of them are Chinese.

    Japan taking in educated Chinese migrants is like America taking in Eastern Euros. Less than ideal, but still more than capable of assimilating.

  21. @Jefferson
    "Japanese are my favorite foreign students and immigrants. They are generally friendly, goofy, clean, fashionable, pleasant to be around, and loving of mainstream America."

    Does San Diego have a sizable Japanese population?

    No. I’ve lived many years in San Diego, in and around San José, and in Seattle. Seattle seemed to have the most Japanese; San Francisco may have more ethnic Japanese, but they seem to have more commonly descended from Japanese who came to the U.S.A. more than a century ago.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    These are my observational impressions; I welcome corrections via empirical, statistically valid data.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin)."

    I travel to San Diego once a year for Comic Con International. I would rank it vastly above Los Angeles.
    , @Jack D
    Most of the border area in Texas is very heavily Mexican.
    , @ben tillman

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).
     
    You'd be surprised to visit Utica, then.
  22. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    English is no longer controlled by Anglos.

    It is controlled by the GLOB.

    So, current English should be called Englobish.

  23. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Shrinking native population + rising foreign population = fate of whites in California.

    Do Japanese wanna end up in their ancient homeland like whites in California?

  24. I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve been told that the Japanese being poor at English is no accident. Apparently everyone in Japan is taught English for most of their school careers. Yet no one is very good at it. The instruction is deliberately terrible, or so they say.

    They want their people to be able to speak enough English that they can import foreign ideas — with effort. They recognize the barriers of the Tokugawa days didn’t work out, but neither do they want to be an American colony.

    Though maybe it’s just bureaucratic incompetence coincidentally contributing to a happy outcome.

    I had an econ professor who once gave an entire lecture demonstrating how one aspect of U.S. tax law was perfectly designed, inspiring hope in us that government could sometimes do things right. Then at the end he explained that the design was pure accident and the whole thing came together as a result of ignorance, laziness, and corruption.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Can you elaborate?
    , @Expletive Deleted

    Apparently everyone in Japan is taught English for most of their school careers. Yet no one is very good at it. The instruction is deliberately terrible, or so they say.
     
    The Brits, particularly the English, do exactly the same thing with French. Up to a decade, from primary school on sometimes, 40 minutes a day min., plus homework, and most people can't even read a menu, let alone actually talk to the confounded Frogs, damn their eyes.
    Curiously, even working-class Brits don't choke to the same extent when compelled to learn/busk it in Spanish, off their own bat. Incentives matter.
  25. Moreover, a positive stance towards immigration is still seen by most politicians as the quickest way to lose an election.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    According to current projections, if nothing changes, Japan will be back to its 1970 population by around 2050. Roughly speaking the population rose smoothly during the century before 2010 (with very minor disruption for the war) and each year after 2010 will bring Japan back to the population it had the same number of years before 2010 – the record will play backwards. No one living in Japan in 1970 thought that it was anything but a crowded place, with guys whose job it was to push people into packed Tokyo subway cars so they could close the doors.

    http://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/08/subway-pushers-of-japan.html

    You would think that environmentalists would be delighted at having few humans burdening the environment?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @res

    You would think that environmentalists would be delighted at having few humans burdening the environment?
     
    The failure of the current combination of leftist views on population, immigration, and environmentalism to cause cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me.
  26. National savings rate? I wonder if for some reason immigration is inversely proportionate to national savings rate? Just a thought. Maybe deficit spending requires immigrants for some reason.

    My experience with Japanese is they can read English quite well, they just can’t understand and form sentences in real time, so they cannot speak it. They do not get much practice listening and speaking.

  27. I lived and worked in Japan with a European bank for a few years, and was surrounded by senior Japanese colleagues who could not speak a word of English. All of them could read and write in English. During my time there, there was a much-discussed news article in the Asahi Shimbun, a major national newspaper which disclosed that an internal study by the Japanese Foreign Ministry revealed that fewer than 100 diplomats and foreign service officers could speak English fluently.

    Japan does have a huge book-translation industry, and the Japanese are inveterate readers. This is obvious to even a casual observer. But unlike in many other parts of the Anglo-American influenced globalized world, English is just not a thing there.

  28. @Jefferson
    "Japan is actually exploring a plan that would give permanent residency to about 3,000 highly-skilled foreigners per year."

    Most of those highly skilled immigrants are going to be from other East Asian nations, not vastly different people from them like MENA Muslims and Sub Saharans.

    On this scale immigration is probably a good thing.

    To quote Stalin “quantity has a quality all of its own”

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    “A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?””

    Chinese men run tight game.

    The PUA industry just overthinks this stuff.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Getting laid/getting a suitable mate are grounds where using a large amount of brain power are acceptable.
    , @Jack D
    The level of game you need to run depends on the competition. Since the Chinese exchange students are competing against modern Japanese wimps who are afraid to talk to girls they really don't need to run tight game. In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings.
  30. @Triumph104

    But the Japanese are remarkably immune to American verbiage. That may be because the Japanese are terrible at learning English.
     
    WARNING NSFW or anywhere else.

    https://youtu.be/T9-OWfS2Vy4

    Ahh… Hitterer!

  31. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    The average Japanese home is larger than many in Western Europe, and they have plenty of green space and wilderness. They simply have a stronger preference for urban living since they don’t have to worry about crime or bad schools.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    We are writing past each other. I focus on ecology (the planet's agricultural limits, the need for vast wilderness, etc.); you focus on realty as an industry (personal preferences, commuting habits, houses' square-footage). Related things, but not quite the same.

    Suppose for argument's sake everyone in Singapore and Hong Kong is content; nay, peachy. Is it now advisable to populate Earth everywhere at densities comparable to theirs? ("It's people! Soylent Green is people!")

    I hope I don't seem rude; I take your point and I genuinely do think we sinply emphasise different aspects of the topic.

  32. Japan is opening its country up to foreign housekeepers so that more Japanese women can enter the workforce. The program will start in three “special deregulation zones”, Kanagawa, Osaka, then Tokyo.

    The foreigners must have 400 hours of training and speak and read basic Japanese. They cannot live in the homes of the people they work for, although they can do childcare. They will only be allowed to work in Japan for three years before being sent back to their home country. Most will probably be Filipinas.

  33. @PiltdownMan

    "A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”"

    Chinese men run tight game.
     

    The PUA industry just overthinks this stuff.

    Getting laid/getting a suitable mate are grounds where using a large amount of brain power are acceptable.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    I see the same dynamic at my university here in Japan. The Chinese girls are rather successful at getting boyfriends among the Japanese male students. Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls. Yet the Chinese (and the occasional Thai) females tend to be more extroverted and socially adept than many of the Japanese.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls.
     
    Why is it 8-1 F-M on campus?

    What kind of school is it?
    , @Formerly CARealist
    8-1 female to male? Is that what you meant? Jeez Louise. What kind of university is that heavily female, a nanny program?

    You couldn't pay me to be in that situation. I wonder where these girls are going to find mates.
  35. @AndrewR
    I think this is more correlation than causation. Japanese who know English well have generally travelled abroad more than most Japanese have. It's understandable that people more familiar with the gaijin would welcome more gaijin into Japan. Similar to how people in cosmopolitan American cities are generally more pro-immigration than people from cow towns.

    Plus so many of the foreign teachers here are Shitlibs through and through. Writing curriculum about gay marriage, etc.

  36. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Language is such a huge barrier. All sorts of nuances are lost in conversation. I wonder if it's an evolved response.
    ,
    The other odd thing about language, to me anyway, is you acquire the accent of your childhood peer group, not your parents.

    The other odd thing about language, to me anyway, is you acquire the accent of your childhood peer group, not your parents.

    I’ve thought about that one too.

    I think there’s an evolutionary advantage. Say Tribe A beat your tribe, killed the men, took the women and small children for their own use.

    If Tribe A didn’t look look any different from your tribe, the only distinction would be language (or accent).

    So the captured children copy not just their peers but their better-off peers in Tribe A. By the time they’re teens, they’re no different in language, accent or appearance from Tribe A. They would have better life outcomes (ie chance to marry have their own children).

    Maybe I’m over-thinking it. But this scenario (irrelevant now) would have been very common eons ago.

    It may not be irrelevant now either. Immigrants without an accent because they arrived as small children are at an advantage.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @william munny
    I think this goes along with the increasingly likely truth that children are influenced more by their peers than their parents. Interestingly, there is some research, iirc, that autistic children are more likely to have their parents' accents than their peers. Still hard to parse out how much of that is caused by autistic traits re: social skills and how much is time spent with peers.

    Either way, I hate my kids' stupid accents. On the other hand, I would have been annoyed if, growing up, all of my peers spoken in slavic broken English like their parents.
  37. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    It seems Japan got here by following the West half-way.

    West got rich and stopped having kids and is now committing racial-demographic suicide.

    Japan got rich and stopped having kids but isn’t committing racial-demographic suicide.

    The suicide happens not when the native population shrinks but when they are overrun by foreigners.
    After all, if Japanese population shrinks to 50 million but if Japan remains all Japanese, it is still Japan. But if Japanese number shrinks to 50 million AND if Japan takes in 50 million foreigners, it is no longer Japan no matter how much we pretend otherwise.
    I mean Jewish immigrants in Israel are not New Palestinians, and Albanians who took over Kosovo are not New Serbians.

    The main problem of the West isn’t low birthrates(even though that has to be reversed) but demographic displacement by foreigners.

    Japan has shrinking numbers but isn’t allowing invasion.
    Brussels is now 1/3 Muslim, and the author of the DW article apparently thinks that’s a good thing. It is actually demographic imperialism, the worst kind. It’s much easier to push out a foreign army than an foreign population that has taken over.

    But if Japan follows the West in allowing mass immigration, it will die. Japan is esp vulnerable to Diversity since Japanese are small and timid. They will easily be pushed around by other races. If big Germans have problems with all those aliens, imagine the small reticent Japanese having to deal with unruly foreigners in huge numbers.

    Also, Japanese advantage isn’t cosmo-individualism but group work and cooperation. Japan is a tightknit cultural eco-system. A lot of foreigners will destroy that.

    Indeed, we’ve seen this in UK as well. British Civilization, though freer than Japan, was also one of manners and cooperation, of mutual understanding. But this only works with those steeped in British attitudes and manners. Bring in massive numbers of foreigners, and this fragile but essential fabric begins to fray. And once it is gone, you have Brits reduced to fat trashy yobs at the bottom and gutless globo elites who care only about their own privilege.

    Japanese need to reconnect with roots, reject trash shallow culture, and learn to respect labor. The poisonous notion of ‘dirty, demeaning, and dangerous’ work made too many Japanese unwilling to take ‘lowly’ jobs or have kids who won’t get good jobs. It’s stupid. The main purpose of having kids is to have a family who carry on with the heritage and culture. Japanese forgot that.

    Bring back Kurosawa-ism.

  38. The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words. The French go to great lengths to invent a French word for thing like computer just so they won’t have to speak any hated English words, but the Japanese figure that the easiest thing to do is just adopt a Japanese approximation of the English word for anything that they didn’t have before they came in contact with the West. So ice cream is aisu kurimu, a rear-view mirror is a bakkumirā, an elevator is an erebētā, etc. – they have hundreds and hundreds of loanwords like this. Some (anime) have even made it back into English.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international – at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn’t really have to be right.

    The Japanese actually try to teach every kid English starting in the 5th grade but often the teachers don’t speak English either, with the result that their students are completely incomprehensible to an actual English speaker. Very few of the students actually end up speaking or even understanding English with any real command of the language.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international – at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn’t really have to be right.
     
    http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2016/12/Los-York-city.jpg

    If loving this stuff is wrong, I don't want to be right.
    , @anonguy

    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words
     
    You'd be surprised how far english words spoken with Japanese accent will get you. That is my first default, especially nouns, just do the transliteration to Japanese syllables and it is amazing how often a word will be understood that way.

    The trick is having the ear/experience to understand how some english word on the fly would likely be transliterated into Japanese.

    I find little need for Japanese fluency beyond very, very bare survival essentials and I go way off the gaijin grid in Japan, to like PTA meetings and such.
    , @SnakeEyes
    Regarding English brand or product names, I saw the same thing in China where many stores and shops had English names alongside Chinese characters. Even in places where almost no one spoke English. It puzzled me. It would be like every store in, say, Omaha having a Chinese language sign out front.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words.
     
    Always written in katakana, essentially ugly, boxy italics, so they never really assimilate, at least on paper.

    Also, many of these "English" words were themselves imports from French, Latin, and other tongues. Don't take my word for it. Ask the "intelligentsia".

  39. @Malik
    Japan's far-right wing is very infuential.
    I learned Japanese for 2 years and traveled there three times. In many hotel rooms in Tokyo, you can easily find books (most of which are Japanese history books written by right wingers) denying Comfort Women and Nanking Massacre.
    In some book stores, you can see books like "Why Koreans are inferior", "Ugly uncivilized Chinese", "Japan has never been an invasive country "...
    Japan's attitude towards war crime is the opposite of Germany's - it could be a good thing when dealing with situations like immigration.

    Don’t forget my favorite, Den Fujita’s The Jewish Way of Doing Business. Somehow that hasn’t been translated into English.

    Boosting English education may help to make the Japanese more accepting of immigration.

    Well, we’ll certainly have to try it. Can’t have a successful nation resisting being wrecked.

  40. It’s probably about equally plausible that the causal relationship is in the reverse direction: more globalism-inclined Japanese are also more inclined to learn English.

    Probably both are true.

  41. @PiltdownMan

    "A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”"

    Chinese men run tight game.
     

    The PUA industry just overthinks this stuff.

    The level of game you need to run depends on the competition. Since the Chinese exchange students are competing against modern Japanese wimps who are afraid to talk to girls they really don’t need to run tight game. In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings.

  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    How do you say “onion” in Japanese?

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    How do you say “onion” in Japanese?

    It's "tamanegi", but why do you ask? Are you using "onion" with a non-vegetable meaning?
  43. Meet Fabio Gygi, a gloryfied Italo-Swiss maid with PhD in social anthropology:

    I started out in historical anthropology by looking at the material culture of war and how `unspeakable` war experiences were embodied in artefacts called trench art, made predominately in the First World War, and how these influenced the post-war avant-garde in France and Germany.

    This primed my interest in materiality and the relationships people entertain with their possessions, an interest I followed when I started working on hoarding and the different forms it takes in different cultural settings.

    The brunt of my fieldwork was done in Tokyo, where I helped people clean up their apartments and houses as a form of participant observation and conducted interviews with hoarders, psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers.

    My research focuses on three aspects:

    1) how people deal with their possessions and the everyday cosmologies they engender

    2) the way hoarding has become an officially recognized pathology (the DSM-V 2013 classifies it as an independent disorder within the larger category of obsessive-compulsive disorders) and the way gender is materialized through things and the practices associated with them in the Japanese context.

    https://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff86375.php

    https://www.soas.ac.uk/staffimg/faculty/anthropology/img86675.jpg

  44. Japanese culture seems to be immune to the attraction of revolution and universalism. The country has been owned by the same trading houses and families from time immemorial. Japanese people are very attentive to the outside world, but they interpret everything that foreigners come up with as a fashion trend (whether a fashion for women or for corporations). The ideas of changing one’s world and worldview in a universal revolution just .. doesn’t .. sink in.

    Christianity has done much worse in Japan than in China and Korea. Again, universal revolution in Christ doesn’t thrill the Japanese soul. But it’s extremely common for non-Christian Japanese to have a Christian wedding with a round-eye ‘minister’ talking about Jay-zu Ku-ris-to. Fashion.

    To stress-test my theory, you could settle 30-50,000 Jews in Tokyo and see if they could march through the institutions per usual. I’d give them low odds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Christianity has done much worse in Japan than in China and Korea."

    For the same reason white people haven't done well in Haiti. They were all killed or deported.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirishitan#Tokugawa_response
  45. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    Great examples, except that
    Japanese Food >>> Chinese Food.

    It’s not even close. Silly girl!

  46. Steve,

    A good friend of mine who emigtated from Taiwan in mid-childhood has visited Japan several times. He has reported some alarming developments among younger Japanese. Namely that they are infatuated with all the bad aspects of American “culture”. Namely hip-hop, adulation of gang bangers and myriad other aberrations associated with the dregs of American society. To say the least this is not a good portend for Japan’s future!

  47. @Jack D
    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words. The French go to great lengths to invent a French word for thing like computer just so they won't have to speak any hated English words, but the Japanese figure that the easiest thing to do is just adopt a Japanese approximation of the English word for anything that they didn't have before they came in contact with the West. So ice cream is aisu kurimu, a rear-view mirror is a bakkumirā, an elevator is an erebētā, etc. - they have hundreds and hundreds of loanwords like this. Some (anime) have even made it back into English.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international - at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn't really have to be right.

    The Japanese actually try to teach every kid English starting in the 5th grade but often the teachers don't speak English either, with the result that their students are completely incomprehensible to an actual English speaker. Very few of the students actually end up speaking or even understanding English with any real command of the language.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international – at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn’t really have to be right.

    http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2016/12/Los-York-city.jpg

    If loving this stuff is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

  48. It’s the other way around, obviously. Japanese who are interested in English are clearly more open to the foreign, and probably outsiders to some degree.

    It’s long been known that the atrocious level of English in Japan is quite deliberate and there is indeed something of a stigma to knowing English too well.

    It can create social problems for you. Apparently in order to master English you need to learn to think in a very un-Japanese way – in clear, sharp, categories – and this will have some impact on your social style overall, even if subtle. But subtle differences in social style in Japan are noticed – if you apply for a job in a tone of voice that is even subtly wrong, you will be ignored, for instance – and can cause you to be ostracized.

    There was a case of an academic who lived in New York for ten years and mastered English, when he returned he was relentlessly bullied and hounded for minute cultural faux pas, like socks choice, and eventually developed cancer, which he believed was brought on by the bullying.

  49. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    God, we are such brutes, I guess.

  50. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Porter recently pointed out this similarly practical approach to the Mohammedans by the Chinese:

    http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/udner-the-guise-of-public-safety-12192016140127.html
  51. @Anonymous
    This is the exact same problem that we have in India.

    The early British influence was probably for the best, since we imbibed their values when they were at the peak of their expansionary stage. Victorian morals, sex-segregated schooling, a sense of fair play, rationalism, political order and a lot of other good stuff.

    But that was a long time ago. Now the Anglosphere is a civilization in decline, grown fat and lazy from its success. But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly. Gay pride, divorce fests, slutwalk, illegal immigration, no borders, anti-"hate", globalism, hedonism, thug life, Kardashians.

    Truly the gospel of national weakness.

    My one hope is that Trump's win turns the tide enough in Britain and America to make liberalism uncool in India.

    But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly.

    Maybe they have just been part of the same broader Indo-European culture.

    I love your post and mindset btw.

    In some ways Indians capture the classic greatness of former Britain better than the British. For example, the best English nursery rhyme videos for my kids are Indian and they are perfect.

    • Replies: @peterike

    In some ways Indians capture the classic greatness of former Britain better than the British.
     
    Because Indians remain fiercely proud of being Indian, and they are highly ethnocentric (a few crazy female Indian SJWs not withstanding). The Brits, of course, are now culturally ashamed of being white and British.

    Racial pride and ethnocentrism are everything when it comes to keeping your nation.
  52. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Even worse than English might be Western economics theory as taught in all the best places.

    Perhaps those Japanese cartels prefer their version of crony capitalism and rigged “arrangements” to whatever comes out of western economics departments, things like mindless worship of GDP uber alles?

    Keiretsu:

    “…The keiretsu maintained dominance over the Japanese economy for the second half of the 20th century…

    …system helps insulate each company from stock market fluctuations and takeover attempts, thus enabling long-term planning…

    …each company held a stake in the other’s company…

    …interlocking of shares serves as a tool for monitoring and disciplining the group’s firms…

    …strength between the member companies is determined by the “interlocking shares ratio”…

    …keiretsu have great influence on Japanese industrial and economic policy. The preferential buying habits of the keiretsu kept foreign investors and foreign goods out of their markets, which America criticized as “barriers to free trade”. This enabled the keiretsu to enjoy monopoly privileges over the Japanese market…

    …there have been nine major postwar keiretsu…

    …The keiretsu model is fairly unique to Japan…”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's similar to what prevailed in corporate America until the 80s, as John Kenneth Galbraith explains here:

    https://youtu.be/BwkbA9NJy9g?t=775
    , @inselaffen
    "Even worse than English might be Western economics theory as taught in all the best places."

    I agree with that. when I was younger I used to think sociology was the pits of academia and the prime tool for bludgeoning 'european cultures' to death, but as I got older I figured economics was way worse.

    I kinda frame it as university sociology depts being the vector of 'leftist' attack on europeans (incl america, australia) , while economics depts are the vector of the 'rightist' attack. I'd say the economic one has been more successful and the damage harder to undo.

    Asian interaction with how they adapt western economics to their societies is also very interesting from a cultural/ethnic standpoint IMO.
  53. In Kyoto there’s a men’s clothing store named “Papa Santa” with a bearded white guy as a mascot. It’s no wonder that fried chicken is popular on Christmas day – they probably think Colonel Sanders is the guy that comes down the chimney.

  54. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anonymous
    Even worse than English might be Western economics theory as taught in all the best places.

    Perhaps those Japanese cartels prefer their version of crony capitalism and rigged "arrangements" to whatever comes out of western economics departments, things like mindless worship of GDP uber alles?


    Keiretsu:


    "...The keiretsu maintained dominance over the Japanese economy for the second half of the 20th century...

    ...system helps insulate each company from stock market fluctuations and takeover attempts, thus enabling long-term planning...

    ...each company held a stake in the other's company...

    ...interlocking of shares serves as a tool for monitoring and disciplining the group's firms...

    ...strength between the member companies is determined by the "interlocking shares ratio"...

    ...keiretsu have great influence on Japanese industrial and economic policy. The preferential buying habits of the keiretsu kept foreign investors and foreign goods out of their markets, which America criticized as "barriers to free trade". This enabled the keiretsu to enjoy monopoly privileges over the Japanese market...

    ...there have been nine major postwar keiretsu...

    ...The keiretsu model is fairly unique to Japan..."

     

    That’s similar to what prevailed in corporate America until the 80s, as John Kenneth Galbraith explains here:

  55. @Jack D
    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words. The French go to great lengths to invent a French word for thing like computer just so they won't have to speak any hated English words, but the Japanese figure that the easiest thing to do is just adopt a Japanese approximation of the English word for anything that they didn't have before they came in contact with the West. So ice cream is aisu kurimu, a rear-view mirror is a bakkumirā, an elevator is an erebētā, etc. - they have hundreds and hundreds of loanwords like this. Some (anime) have even made it back into English.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international - at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn't really have to be right.

    The Japanese actually try to teach every kid English starting in the 5th grade but often the teachers don't speak English either, with the result that their students are completely incomprehensible to an actual English speaker. Very few of the students actually end up speaking or even understanding English with any real command of the language.

    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words

    You’d be surprised how far english words spoken with Japanese accent will get you. That is my first default, especially nouns, just do the transliteration to Japanese syllables and it is amazing how often a word will be understood that way.

    The trick is having the ear/experience to understand how some english word on the fly would likely be transliterated into Japanese.

    I find little need for Japanese fluency beyond very, very bare survival essentials and I go way off the gaijin grid in Japan, to like PTA meetings and such.

  56. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve’s work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.

    One difference aside from the language is that people like Barbara Lerner Spectre can’t pass. They are identifiably non-Japanese.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Lmao. You went there. But you're absolutely right.
  57. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    When did it become a democratic government’s role to mold the electorate’s will rather than do the electorate’s bidding?

    That’s been the standard operating procedure for a very long time. Many decades, in fact possibly more than a century.

  58. @Jack D
    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words. The French go to great lengths to invent a French word for thing like computer just so they won't have to speak any hated English words, but the Japanese figure that the easiest thing to do is just adopt a Japanese approximation of the English word for anything that they didn't have before they came in contact with the West. So ice cream is aisu kurimu, a rear-view mirror is a bakkumirā, an elevator is an erebētā, etc. - they have hundreds and hundreds of loanwords like this. Some (anime) have even made it back into English.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international - at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn't really have to be right.

    The Japanese actually try to teach every kid English starting in the 5th grade but often the teachers don't speak English either, with the result that their students are completely incomprehensible to an actual English speaker. Very few of the students actually end up speaking or even understanding English with any real command of the language.

    Regarding English brand or product names, I saw the same thing in China where many stores and shops had English names alongside Chinese characters. Even in places where almost no one spoke English. It puzzled me. It would be like every store in, say, Omaha having a Chinese language sign out front.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In China, kids in school learn Pinyin, which is Chinese written in the Latin alphabet, before learning Chinese characters.

    In Japan, kids learn written Japanese first before learning the Latin alphabet in English class when they're older or as "romaji", which is Japanese written in the Latin alphabet.

    So there's some familiarity with the alphabet and the written forms of English, although it's divorced from the English language itself.
  59. @George
    How do they keep their real estate industry under control? They apparently have no difficulty abandoning large amounts of real estate. Once abandoned the possible gain from filling vacant real estate with immigrants is enormous. So I don't quite get how they control their real estate people and their desire for quick enormous gains. Is it 'zen' or something? For an American, it seems impossible to believe.

    How do you explain Singapore?

    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They’re not really built to endure for centuries.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    I hear they're built to not crush you when the earthquake knocks them down.
    , @Chrisinsydney
    Not to mention that much of urban Japan is by necessity less than 70 years ago. Kyoto on the other hand is very beautiful, given it was the only major city not bombed.
    , @George
    Japanese houses fall apart faster - sounds like Ametican manufactured housing, which in the US may be most of it. My point is if you own a crummy house in an area being abandoned, Immigrants will fill up your real estate.

    Rebuilding houses may keep the construction industry alive. But if you own vacant land in Japan, you could make an enormous gain if only you could find tenants. If only the government would let in a few million immigrants.

    Why aren't Japanese government workers demanding immigrants? To me that's the mystery.

    One possible thought. During the 90s in the US Asians were sold as a model minority who would be doctors, ect. Well Japan's already got Asians, and they don't want competition. That leaves only non model minorities to import.

    Japan also abandoned its empire. After WWII UK began importing labor, perhaps because they needed immigrants to keep the Empire alive. The US did the same thing.
    , @Bill Jones
    "Japanese houses fall apart faster. They’re not really built to endure for centuries."

    Bit like Detroit then.
  60. @Anonymous
    This is so depressing. Competing with foreign males is just a reminder of nature's brutality.

    If it’s brutal, isn’t it better to know that is the case than otherwise? Who convinced you you couldn’t compete? win?

    It is in fact brutal, but not just brutal. To get to the non-brutal part, you have to beat the brutes.

  61. @CC
    The average Japanese home is larger than many in Western Europe, and they have plenty of green space and wilderness. They simply have a stronger preference for urban living since they don't have to worry about crime or bad schools.

    We are writing past each other. I focus on ecology (the planet’s agricultural limits, the need for vast wilderness, etc.); you focus on realty as an industry (personal preferences, commuting habits, houses’ square-footage). Related things, but not quite the same.

    Suppose for argument’s sake everyone in Singapore and Hong Kong is content; nay, peachy. Is it now advisable to populate Earth everywhere at densities comparable to theirs? (“It’s people! Soylent Green is people!”)

    I hope I don’t seem rude; I take your point and I genuinely do think we sinply emphasise different aspects of the topic.

  62. The average Japanese spends ten days abroad in their entire life—five on their honeymoon and five on a retirement trip. English isn’t really useful since everything is translated.

    I once was told by a Japanese “we Japanese don’t learn English to talk to you. We learn it to talk to each other. “. In other words, they sprinkle a few English words into their conversations to show they are sophisticated , much like we do with French.

  63. Japanese know how the game is being played by the West against them. The game is about economy and domination. They know that opening up to foreigners will make them weaker politically and economically. They know that they cannot allow to be infiltrated by a hostile foreign elite. Globalization and multi-culturalism are tools of conquest by means of soft power everything else is just a rhetoric. Economic warfare was conducted against Asia and Japan in particular in late 1990s.

    Los Angeles Times, June 25, 1999.

    Let’s Revisit Asia’s ‘Crony Capitalism’ Economy: America’s free-trade proselytizing is the true root of what is now a global crisis. By CHALMERS JOHNSON

    After all the endless mouthing off in the pages of the English-language business press about East Asia’s “crony capitalism,” the lack of “transparency” in Asian stock exchanges, the “no pain, no gain” logic of the International Monetary Fund and how the Asian economic challenge to Anglo American capitalism had fizzled, we now know that none of these things had anything to do with the Asian–now global–economic crisis. Addressing what did cause the crisis is the main business of the leaders of the countries of East Asia as they reflect on what has happened to them over the past two years. If they ignore this question and pretend that the road is still open to “globalization” in the Pacific, they risk being repudiated by their own people.

    With the end of the Cold War, the United States decided it had to launch a rollback operation in East Asia if it was to maintain its global hegemony. The high-growth economies of East Asia had become the main challengers to American power in the region, and it was time they were brought to heel. The campaign worked in two phases. First, a major ideological barrage was launched to soften up the Asians. The Americans mobilized famous professors of economics from their universities, who never once faced a “market force” in their own lives, to preach the beauties of globalization; in this case meaning American economic institutions. These include total laissez faire, destruction of unions and social safety nets, staffing of regulatory agencies with retired financiers, indifference to the pay differentials between CEOs and the ordinary labor force, moving manufacturing to low-wage areas regardless of the social costs and totally unregulated flows of capital in and out of any and all economies. Ever since the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in 1993, the Americans hammered home to the Asians that they needed to “open up” their economies in these ways.

    Then came phase two. Once the Asian economies had begun to “deregulate” and were standing in the world marketplace more or less naked, the “hedge funds” were let loose on them. These funds are actually huge concentrations of capital owned by very wealthy Western white men, who manipulate bewilderingly complex financial instruments called “derivatives.” They usually locate their offices in offshore tax havens like the Cayman Islands and do everything in their power to avoid regulators or tax collectors in the so-called free market democracies. The funds easily raped Thailand, Indonesia and South Korea and then turned the shivering survivors over to the IMF, not to help the victims but to ensure that no Western bank was stuck with “nonperforming” loans in the devastated countries. The IMF is also the U.S. government’s chosen instrument for “reforming” these countries to make them look more like New York.

  64. @Anonymous
    Why is having lots of old people around a bad thing? They're people, too. Unless one has a slave driver mentality, old people aren't regarded as negatively as you seem to regard them. Especially in a culture like Japan's which tends to revere the elderly more than many other cultures.

    Unless one has a slave driver mentality, old people aren’t regarded as negatively as you seem to regard them.

    Say what you will about the slave drivers, they offered their workers the best retirement package available in early America.

  65. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    When it comes to language hegemony or linguimony, I think it’s not just about what you read but the imaginary audience and imaginary mentors you develop in your mind.

    So, if a Japanese person becomes attuned to Anglosphere news or culture, he or she may think and write in terms of gaining the attention and approval of the Anglosphere world, even if only imagined.
    So, it’s not just a one-way flow of intellectual ideas from America to Japan. It’s an emotional attachment that develops to America.
    I think we saw this with Haruki Murakami who became proficient in English and did translations. He began to see his audience and appreciators as more and more English than Japanese.
    When a Japanese who only knows Japanese reads and writes, he has other Japanese in mind as audience, students, mentors, peers, and etc. But when a Japanese writes or thinks in English(dominated by the US), he has Americans in mind. All writers seek attention, approval, and feedback, and consciously and subconsciously, this is shaped by the nature of the audience.

    If Japanese assume that Americans are like such-and-such, then their thought processes become molded in accordance to what they assume Americans like and prefer.

    In the past, Americanism might have stood for More Freedom and Individual Liberty, in which case US influence wasn’t so bad. But now, US stands for PC, dogma, hysteria, and censoriousness. So, the effect of coming under US influence is not more freedom but more repression. After all, Open Borders is sold as more freedom but is pushed through by the elites by repressing the feelings of the masses.

    A writer never meets most of his readers. He might meet some at book signings, but most of the audience is really just in his head. And all writers think of this imaginary audience whom they cater to. So, the nature of the audience, real or imagined, changes the tone and direction of the writer’s art or agenda.

    So, when Japanese began to read more in English, they are not only getting more US propaganda but are thinking(and even writing) in relation to an imagined American audience or peer. That will shape behavior.

    It’s like white behavior will change in relation to the significant audience.

    Because Jews are prominent in arts and letters, many goyim who read Jewish writers not only become influenced by Jewish ideas but think and write in relation to those Jewish writers(even if they never make personal contact). A kind of imaginary conversation opens up between the Jewish writers and goy readers.
    Look at film criticism. Sarris and Kael influenced entire generations of film critics. When the new generation of cinephiles were growing up, they had either Sarris or Kael in their minds, and they were developing in relation to Sarris or Kael, as if in imaginary conversations between the writers and readers. The younger writers developed their craft with an imagined Sarris or Kael as their audience/mentor.

    Language not only allows flow of information and ideas but creates imagined audiences that haunt the reader, thinker, and writer. When Japanese read more in English, they see different literary ghosts.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Mad Magazine influenced many readers with its irreverent style, and spawned many Madchurian Candidates. Was Don Martin Jewish?
  66. The Japanese specialize in miniaturization. I doubt they’d be interested in making Trojans for horses.

  67. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @SnakeEyes
    Regarding English brand or product names, I saw the same thing in China where many stores and shops had English names alongside Chinese characters. Even in places where almost no one spoke English. It puzzled me. It would be like every store in, say, Omaha having a Chinese language sign out front.

    In China, kids in school learn Pinyin, which is Chinese written in the Latin alphabet, before learning Chinese characters.

    In Japan, kids learn written Japanese first before learning the Latin alphabet in English class when they’re older or as “romaji”, which is Japanese written in the Latin alphabet.

    So there’s some familiarity with the alphabet and the written forms of English, although it’s divorced from the English language itself.

  68. @Jack D
    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words. The French go to great lengths to invent a French word for thing like computer just so they won't have to speak any hated English words, but the Japanese figure that the easiest thing to do is just adopt a Japanese approximation of the English word for anything that they didn't have before they came in contact with the West. So ice cream is aisu kurimu, a rear-view mirror is a bakkumirā, an elevator is an erebētā, etc. - they have hundreds and hundreds of loanwords like this. Some (anime) have even made it back into English.

    They also love to have English writing on their products (even if intended only for the domestic market) because they think it makes the product seem sophisticated and international - at least the name of the product or brand and often a slogan that does not quite make sense : Til the Midnight! For Beautiful Human Life! etc. Most of the people buying the product know little English so it doesn't really have to be right.

    The Japanese actually try to teach every kid English starting in the 5th grade but often the teachers don't speak English either, with the result that their students are completely incomprehensible to an actual English speaker. Very few of the students actually end up speaking or even understanding English with any real command of the language.

    The funny thing is that modern Japanese is FULL of English words.

    Always written in katakana, essentially ugly, boxy italics, so they never really assimilate, at least on paper.

    Also, many of these “English” words were themselves imports from French, Latin, and other tongues. Don’t take my word for it. Ask the “intelligentsia”.

  69. My impression was that the Japanese actually speak quite a bit of English, with quite a few English loan words in Japanese, eg the word for toilet.

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert

    My impression was that the Japanese actually speak quite a bit of English, with quite a few English loan words in Japanese, eg the word for toilet.
     
    Essentially every English word is a potential loan word in Japanese. Check out an English- Japanese dictionary. Every word is rendered with Japanese pronunciation.
  70. @Autochthon
    No. I've lived many years in San Diego, in and around San José, and in Seattle. Seattle seemed to have the most Japanese; San Francisco may have more ethnic Japanese, but they seem to have more commonly descended from Japanese who came to the U.S.A. more than a century ago.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    These are my observational impressions; I welcome corrections via empirical, statistically valid data.

    “The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).”

    I travel to San Diego once a year for Comic Con International. I would rank it vastly above Los Angeles.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Investment in San Diego is currently heavily along the waterfront, where Comic-Con is held, while in L.A. all the money is presently going downtown, which is way inland. What they are doing in downtown LA is fine, but San Diego developers are getting more bang for their buck because oceanfront is almost always more desirable than inland.

    Judging by a couple of days I spent there in 2015, San Diego's harbor area development is still kind of patchy (e.g., one block is fun to walk along, the next is nothing), but it's come a long way. I think the current animated hit movie "Sing" is set in San Diego, and the city is starting to achieve a distinctive look (e.g., favorite local color schemes) different from Los Angeles.

    San Diego is pretty utopian looking these days.

    , @Jefferson
    San Diego is Los Angeles's Whiter less ghetto cousin. Whites are a plurality of SD's population, while in L.A it is Mexicans who are the plurality.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don't really express any interest in that scene.
  71. @Steve Sailer
    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They're not really built to endure for centuries.

    I hear they’re built to not crush you when the earthquake knocks them down.

  72. @Jefferson
    "The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin)."

    I travel to San Diego once a year for Comic Con International. I would rank it vastly above Los Angeles.

    Investment in San Diego is currently heavily along the waterfront, where Comic-Con is held, while in L.A. all the money is presently going downtown, which is way inland. What they are doing in downtown LA is fine, but San Diego developers are getting more bang for their buck because oceanfront is almost always more desirable than inland.

    Judging by a couple of days I spent there in 2015, San Diego’s harbor area development is still kind of patchy (e.g., one block is fun to walk along, the next is nothing), but it’s come a long way. I think the current animated hit movie “Sing” is set in San Diego, and the city is starting to achieve a distinctive look (e.g., favorite local color schemes) different from Los Angeles.

    San Diego is pretty utopian looking these days.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    San Diego is Los Angeles’s Whiter less ghetto cousin. Whites are a plurality of SD’s population, while in L.A it is Mexicans who are the plurality.
  73. Interesting that the German public broadcaster sees ruining Japan as a priority. Presumably this is because Japan is a functional country and so honorary-Western. I don’t think they care about ruining already-dysfunctional Third World countries with immigration from even worse countries. The important thing seems to be that no one on Earth should be allowed to do well, that there be no positive model.

    • Agree: Autochthon, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The old American saying is, I believe, 'misery loves company'.

    It's really all down to petty spite and envy. Because the Germans have ruined their own nation, and see a successful homogenous nation, they wish to destroy it to make themselves feel better in a thoroughly evil sort of way.
    , @spandrell
    Germany and Japan have very similar economies based on the export of high-quality technology. Germany stands to benefit greatly from a Japanese collapse. Of course as things stand Germany is likely to collapse sooner.
    , @Parbes
    DW (Deutsche Welle) is one of the very worst, most poisonous, of the "mainstream media" outlets in the West - and has been so for decades.
  74. @EvolutionistX
    My impression was that the Japanese actually speak quite a bit of English, with quite a few English loan words in Japanese, eg the word for toilet.

    My impression was that the Japanese actually speak quite a bit of English, with quite a few English loan words in Japanese, eg the word for toilet.

    Essentially every English word is a potential loan word in Japanese. Check out an English- Japanese dictionary. Every word is rendered with Japanese pronunciation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    A Japanese to English dictionary will also give the pronunciation of Japanese words in Roman letters. That's true of almost every dictionary of languages that are not written in the Roman alphabet.

    Usually if the Japanese have their own word for a thing they are not going to call it by a Japanized English loanword unless they have a good reason (e.g. they want to emphasize the Westernness of the item or distinguish it from the Japanese version). So the Japanese have (as you can imagine) a word (actually several) for rice but if a dish is not Japanese style steamed rice but made in a Western style (risotto, pilaf, etc.) then it is called raisu. A doa is a Western style door but a tobira is a Japanese style door. The Japanese categorize everything as being either Japanese or not , "own" or "foreign". So a Western style door or rice dish or whatever is not just a subcategory of the thing as it exists in Japan but is a completely separate thing in their minds. To us, miso soup is a subcategory of soup, but to a Japanese, New England clam chowder is supu and miso soup (misoshiru) is not supu at all.
  75. @Jefferson
    "The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin)."

    I travel to San Diego once a year for Comic Con International. I would rank it vastly above Los Angeles.

    San Diego is Los Angeles’s Whiter less ghetto cousin. Whites are a plurality of SD’s population, while in L.A it is Mexicans who are the plurality.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    Investment in San Diego is currently heavily along the waterfront, where Comic-Con is held, while in L.A. all the money is presently going downtown, which is way inland. What they are doing in downtown LA is fine, but San Diego developers are getting more bang for their buck because oceanfront is almost always more desirable than inland.

    Judging by a couple of days I spent there in 2015, San Diego's harbor area development is still kind of patchy (e.g., one block is fun to walk along, the next is nothing), but it's come a long way. I think the current animated hit movie "Sing" is set in San Diego, and the city is starting to achieve a distinctive look (e.g., favorite local color schemes) different from Los Angeles.

    San Diego is pretty utopian looking these days.

    San Diego is Los Angeles’s Whiter less ghetto cousin. Whites are a plurality of SD’s population, while in L.A it is Mexicans who are the plurality.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They're not really built to endure for centuries.

    Not to mention that much of urban Japan is by necessity less than 70 years ago. Kyoto on the other hand is very beautiful, given it was the only major city not bombed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Kyoto's beauty is largely due to its mountainous surroundings.
  78. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Globalism is like the sun trying to devour all the planets.

    Planets can only exist by their distance from the sun and from each other.

    When the Sun begins to die, it releases all its energy and heats up the entire Solar System.

    Is the mad crazy push for globalism a sign of globo-empire’s decay? Is it releasing all that energy in a final desperate death throe? Is this display of great power really a sign of decline and demise?

  79. @Anonymous
    This is the exact same problem that we have in India.

    The early British influence was probably for the best, since we imbibed their values when they were at the peak of their expansionary stage. Victorian morals, sex-segregated schooling, a sense of fair play, rationalism, political order and a lot of other good stuff.

    But that was a long time ago. Now the Anglosphere is a civilization in decline, grown fat and lazy from its success. But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly. Gay pride, divorce fests, slutwalk, illegal immigration, no borders, anti-"hate", globalism, hedonism, thug life, Kardashians.

    Truly the gospel of national weakness.

    My one hope is that Trump's win turns the tide enough in Britain and America to make liberalism uncool in India.

    Kardashian/thug life culture is not a product of the Anglosphere, since the cultural origin of those is not Anglo-Saxon. Anglosphere may be the conduit, but it is not the seed. It’s important to make that distinction, because India’s acceptance of black culture is its own volition.

    If you haven’t noticed, South Asian immigrants love hip hop more so than even the natives. Meanwhile, hip hop in, say, Korea or China is quite marginal compared to various forms of pop and even rock. Honey Singh is a homegrown artist. I think you’re too complacent on just how much the black hip-hop/thug culture appeals to Indians on a natural/emotional basis.

    As for illegal immigration, Modi came to power in part because he promised to get tough on illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and you guys are already building a big wall on the border. So I don’t see how you can complain on that front.

    Finally, on hedonism, you have a stronger argument.

  80. Trojan Horse

    Yeah, sure, OK — a few English signs (mostly) to help tourists mean the Japanese will soon welcome millions of random, self-selected muslims and Africans.

    Ahem.

    Anyone who’s ever worked with the Japanese — every international Japanese company has some employees who speak English — knows they won’t fall for this — the Japanese are generally rather hard-nosed — not very sentimental — blah-blahing about ‘human rights’ will not get you very far with the average Japanese.

  81. @Frau Katze

    The other odd thing about language, to me anyway, is you acquire the accent of your childhood peer group, not your parents.
     
    I've thought about that one too.

    I think there's an evolutionary advantage. Say Tribe A beat your tribe, killed the men, took the women and small children for their own use.

    If Tribe A didn't look look any different from your tribe, the only distinction would be language (or accent).

    So the captured children copy not just their peers but their better-off peers in Tribe A. By the time they're teens, they're no different in language, accent or appearance from Tribe A. They would have better life outcomes (ie chance to marry have their own children).

    Maybe I'm over-thinking it. But this scenario (irrelevant now) would have been very common eons ago.

    It may not be irrelevant now either. Immigrants without an accent because they arrived as small children are at an advantage.

    I think this goes along with the increasingly likely truth that children are influenced more by their peers than their parents. Interestingly, there is some research, iirc, that autistic children are more likely to have their parents’ accents than their peers. Still hard to parse out how much of that is caused by autistic traits re: social skills and how much is time spent with peers.

    Either way, I hate my kids’ stupid accents. On the other hand, I would have been annoyed if, growing up, all of my peers spoken in slavic broken English like their parents.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @res
    Interesting. People with a good ear for accents tend to peg me as being from where my parents grew up. Although not very far physically from where I grew up there is a significant difference linguistically (both accent and colloquialisms). Local media accents may have played a role as well since my immediate locale was a bit of an anomaly with some variety.

    I've sometimes wondered if I fall on the autistic or Asperger's spectrum at all (and suspect I present here as a bit like that). I think it's mostly because I tend to approach things in an overly analytical fashion though. I was curious and took an online autism test once (reading emotion from facial pictures) and not only scored non-autistic but was above average. I should ask a thoughtful and perceptive friend about this sometime.
  82. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated.

    Yet the Japanese countryside is simultaneously depopulated. But with that said, it might be interesting for other states to study what happens in the scenario of a steadily shrinking population. Of course, we here in the West prefer to replenish the shortfalls with Arabs, but still.

  83. @Anonym
    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve’s work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.

    One difference aside from the language is that people like Barbara Lerner Spectre can't pass. They are identifiably non-Japanese.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    Lmao. You went there. But you’re absolutely right.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They're not really built to endure for centuries.

    Japanese houses fall apart faster – sounds like Ametican manufactured housing, which in the US may be most of it. My point is if you own a crummy house in an area being abandoned, Immigrants will fill up your real estate.

    Rebuilding houses may keep the construction industry alive. But if you own vacant land in Japan, you could make an enormous gain if only you could find tenants. If only the government would let in a few million immigrants.

    Why aren’t Japanese government workers demanding immigrants? To me that’s the mystery.

    One possible thought. During the 90s in the US Asians were sold as a model minority who would be doctors, ect. Well Japan’s already got Asians, and they don’t want competition. That leaves only non model minorities to import.

    Japan also abandoned its empire. After WWII UK began importing labor, perhaps because they needed immigrants to keep the Empire alive. The US did the same thing.

  85. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    This has always been the case, of course. Democracy has always simply been a vaneer used to increase a government’s apparent legitimacy in eras and places when the populace gets too uppity.

    And frankly, there’s nothing new about globalists openly admitting that the government’s role is to control the populace as opposed to fulfilling its will.

  86. @mukat
    Japanese culture seems to be immune to the attraction of revolution and universalism. The country has been owned by the same trading houses and families from time immemorial. Japanese people are very attentive to the outside world, but they interpret everything that foreigners come up with as a fashion trend (whether a fashion for women or for corporations). The ideas of changing one's world and worldview in a universal revolution just .. doesn't .. sink in.

    Christianity has done much worse in Japan than in China and Korea. Again, universal revolution in Christ doesn't thrill the Japanese soul. But it's extremely common for non-Christian Japanese to have a Christian wedding with a round-eye 'minister' talking about Jay-zu Ku-ris-to. Fashion.

    To stress-test my theory, you could settle 30-50,000 Jews in Tokyo and see if they could march through the institutions per usual. I'd give them low odds.

    “Christianity has done much worse in Japan than in China and Korea.”

    For the same reason white people haven’t done well in Haiti. They were all killed or deported.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirishitan#Tokugawa_response

  87. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    It’s funny how no one ever advocates a Saudi Arabian or Gulf Arab type solution to a pressing labour shortage.
    There, of course, labour immigrants are paid a wage for the job – just like any other economic input you could imagine – do the work, and then most crucially of all *go home*.
    A pure rational, business contract on a cash only basis – like business should be – that satisifies both sides of the bargain, who freely accept on the terms offered.

    Note that the intelligent and canny Arabs – a race for some reason whites like to derogate, but whom in this instance are far far more intelligent and rational than any white nation is – never but never allow contract labor to settle, marry, vote or reproduce.
    That’s the way it should be.

  88. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Of course, no political party in Britain would ever win popularity by advocating uncontrolled immigration.
    Was true 50 years ago.
    Is true now.
    Will be true 50 years hence.

    But that didn’t stop the Economist reading shitheads of New Labour doing precisely this, fully knowing the unpopularity of immigration. A big parliamentary majority thought it could lie, foist and bluff it through.

    Now, Look where Labour is now.

  89. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Simon in London
    Interesting that the German public broadcaster sees ruining Japan as a priority. Presumably this is because Japan is a functional country and so honorary-Western. I don't think they care about ruining already-dysfunctional Third World countries with immigration from even worse countries. The important thing seems to be that no one on Earth should be allowed to do well, that there be no positive model.

    The old American saying is, I believe, ‘misery loves company’.

    It’s really all down to petty spite and envy. Because the Germans have ruined their own nation, and see a successful homogenous nation, they wish to destroy it to make themselves feel better in a thoroughly evil sort of way.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    Exactly! Toxic stupidity, petty nastiness, and utter immorality, all combined into one.
  90. @Wency
    I don't know if this is true, but I've been told that the Japanese being poor at English is no accident. Apparently everyone in Japan is taught English for most of their school careers. Yet no one is very good at it. The instruction is deliberately terrible, or so they say.

    They want their people to be able to speak enough English that they can import foreign ideas -- with effort. They recognize the barriers of the Tokugawa days didn't work out, but neither do they want to be an American colony.

    Though maybe it's just bureaucratic incompetence coincidentally contributing to a happy outcome.

    I had an econ professor who once gave an entire lecture demonstrating how one aspect of U.S. tax law was perfectly designed, inspiring hope in us that government could sometimes do things right. Then at the end he explained that the design was pure accident and the whole thing came together as a result of ignorance, laziness, and corruption.

    Can you elaborate?

  91. But the Japanese are remarkably immune to American verbiage. That may be because the Japanese are terrible at learning English.

    I went to school at a college with a large international student body. I had to take courses in advanced math classes such as Calculus II and Linear Algebra. In these classes, the students from China, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria etc.. were not only fluent in English, they already knew the coursework like the back of their hand. An American student asked once why these people already knew higher math and they all agreed that in order to graduate high school in those countries, you needed to pass these courses. The exception to this were the Japanese students. Not only were their English skills way worse than the other international students, they were as bad as the Americans at learning the higher math.

  92. @Anonymous
    This is so depressing. Competing with foreign males is just a reminder of nature's brutality.

    Yep. And liberated women just go for the more aggressive guys, no second thoughts or remorse about their ethnically closer (ex-)partners.

    I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time. The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can’t, for Blackey.

    Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time."

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

    "The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can’t, for Blackey."

    Maybe.

    "Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice."

    No, feminism is not "really the culprit".

    A large number of factors behind the marriage decline in Japan have been cited. A summary of the past arguments is that "there is a complicated mixture of factors behind the phenomenon." But huge social forces are required to continuously push up the never-married rate for the entire society. This means that there are major and minor factors behind the falling marriage rate. In fact, an event history analysis using the data from National Family Research of Japan found two major causes. One is the expansion of disparities between social classes accompanying the decline in Japan's macroeconomic performance. Economic growth can ease this trend that causes disparities in marriage opportunities. The easing effect has declined with an economic growth slowdown since the mid-1970s, reviving the potential impact of social inequality to discourage men from getting married. As the marriage rate for men in lower social classes falls, the population size of economically marriageable men has gradually decreased. A squeeze of marriage partners for women emerged, leading to a general decline in the marriage rate. Another factor causing the marriage decline is the decay of the community-based marriage system due to the diffusion of individualism ideology. The community-based match-making system, including meetings and dates arranged or semi-arranged by families, relatives, local communities, and workplaces, can strongly promote marriage for both men and women. The modern nuclear family (love marriage and conjugal family) ideology, however, was introduced into Japan in the high economic growth period and publicized as a more radical ideology of self-choice, self-determination, and self-responsibility in the 1990s after the burst of economic bubbles, replacing the community-based marriage system. For women faced with a shortage of economically competent men, the decay of the community-based marriage system has meant a further increase in the costs and difficulties of searching for marriage partners. This is the reason the marriage rate for women fell quickly in the 1990s.

    https://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/projects_publications/publications_1904/journal_articles/two_major_factors_behind_the_marriage_decline_in_japan_the_deterioration_in_macroeconomic_4224.htm
  93. @Autochthon
    No. I've lived many years in San Diego, in and around San José, and in Seattle. Seattle seemed to have the most Japanese; San Francisco may have more ethnic Japanese, but they seem to have more commonly descended from Japanese who came to the U.S.A. more than a century ago.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    These are my observational impressions; I welcome corrections via empirical, statistically valid data.

    Most of the border area in Texas is very heavily Mexican.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    But isn't Texas' border much less fortified and patrolled? That's my impression from news and such (I've never lives in Texas). In San Diego we have a huge wall stretching into the sea, and the border patrol (one of my best friends' husband is one, so I know a few) are pretty serious about their jobs.

    Also, California (especially the south) was very sparsely inhabited when Fremont led it to independence, and even afterward, until Mulholland engineered his miraculous aquaducts. So its Mexicans are late-arriving invaders. Texas already had a lot of Tejanos when Houston, Crockett, Austin et al. led it to independence; so I gather a lot of the Mexicans in Texas are descended from settlers, not immigrants. San Diego's essentially the unofficial headquarters of the Pacific Fleet (apologies to Pearl Harbor), too, and the heavy influence of the military lends it a conservative, patriotic bent not present elsewhere in California's large cities.

    I also gather that, for these reasons and other, Texas' mestizos are much less troublesome and much more productive and assimilative than California's.
  94. Why is the Japanese birthrate down, along with that in similar-sized countries like Italy? Simple: they’re still massively overpopulated. Cram 100,000,000 people into California or Montana [similar land areas to Japan] and provide no outlet, and watch birthrates crash in that situation, too. The Japanese islands are extremely mountainous with populations restricted to the very dangerous coastlines. Few significant natural resources are found there; Japan imports nearly everything their manufacturing economy requires. Only by adding significant value to those imports can their economy support the relatively huge population. They cannot function in a ‘cheap labor’ economic model.

  95. By that reasoning the Philippines should be completely Westernized. And yet the chose a president who loudly claims Americans are sons-of-bitches who should get the crap out while he guns out the undesirables without bothering to use the judicial system.

    This is a case of the exception confirming the rule: the very few Japanese who do speak English do so in order to claim their distinctiveness over the masses; adopting fashionable left-wing Anglo opinions is just part of their shtick.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Philippines is basically a banana republic with strong authoritarian South American tendencies, though. Its pretty sufficiently divorced from anything of East Asia that its not really a reliable indicator of much else in Asia. Its probable that they would become a lot more liberalized if they had a much more "functional system" but its definitely not yet there. I mean, there's more of a perception of Rule of Law in China than the Philippines.
  96. @Simon in London
    Interesting that the German public broadcaster sees ruining Japan as a priority. Presumably this is because Japan is a functional country and so honorary-Western. I don't think they care about ruining already-dysfunctional Third World countries with immigration from even worse countries. The important thing seems to be that no one on Earth should be allowed to do well, that there be no positive model.

    Germany and Japan have very similar economies based on the export of high-quality technology. Germany stands to benefit greatly from a Japanese collapse. Of course as things stand Germany is likely to collapse sooner.

  97. @Wency
    I don't know if this is true, but I've been told that the Japanese being poor at English is no accident. Apparently everyone in Japan is taught English for most of their school careers. Yet no one is very good at it. The instruction is deliberately terrible, or so they say.

    They want their people to be able to speak enough English that they can import foreign ideas -- with effort. They recognize the barriers of the Tokugawa days didn't work out, but neither do they want to be an American colony.

    Though maybe it's just bureaucratic incompetence coincidentally contributing to a happy outcome.

    I had an econ professor who once gave an entire lecture demonstrating how one aspect of U.S. tax law was perfectly designed, inspiring hope in us that government could sometimes do things right. Then at the end he explained that the design was pure accident and the whole thing came together as a result of ignorance, laziness, and corruption.

    Apparently everyone in Japan is taught English for most of their school careers. Yet no one is very good at it. The instruction is deliberately terrible, or so they say.

    The Brits, particularly the English, do exactly the same thing with French. Up to a decade, from primary school on sometimes, 40 minutes a day min., plus homework, and most people can’t even read a menu, let alone actually talk to the confounded Frogs, damn their eyes.
    Curiously, even working-class Brits don’t choke to the same extent when compelled to learn/busk it in Spanish, off their own bat. Incentives matter.

  98. The cognitive, it dissonances.

    Der Ubermensch at Davos have had for the past several planning sessions , a side-line topic of sustainable global population levels.
    Optimum has been mooted in the 0.5-1.5 billion range. Bill Gates, I believe, favors the low end.

    We are on the brink of a Tsunami of job-losses due to robotics/automation. Numbers I’ve seen projected for the US in the next ten years alone are around the ten million mark. The issue is not “Who will do the Jobs?” it’s “What will people do?”

    The unspoken driver behind the birthrate bullshit is the State’s desparate desire to ensure the flow of labor based taxes to stop the various people based Ponzi schemes- Social Security, Medicare etc from collapsing.

    If mentioned at all the alternative to labor based taxes is usually capital levies of one sort or another.

    The answer, if the Ponzis must be funded, is to replace taxes on inputs- labor and capital, with taxes on outputs- i.e. sales.

    The issue then becomes, given the guaranteed minimum income societies that would inevitably seem to be the end result of this (and the concept is getting more and more air time) be anything more than soft fuedalism?

  99. If you don’t look East Asian and you try to speak English to the Japanese, they may sympathize and try to understand you. But if you look like them and you speak English to them they will give you a bewildered and bashful look and in many cases, ignore you.

  100. @Autochthon
    Japan is horrifyingly overpopulated; it holds a little more than eight hundred persons per square mile and it has a dearth of arable land; only about thirteen per cent of its land is cultivated. By way of comparison, the now overcrowded U.S.A. has about eighty-five persons per square mile and seventeen per cent of its land is arable.

    The idea that Japan will become a hellish wastleland if its population densities return to some semblance of sustainability is risible. The manufactured hysteria about Japan is, like it is in other industrialised nations of productive people, a ploy to justify invasion and dispossession by foreigners for the reasons readers of Steve's work know all too well. The difference is that the Japanese goverment is not so evil as to cooperate.


    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    When did it become a democratic government's role to mold the electorate's will rather than do the electorate's bidding?

    Absolutely right, and there are indications that MITI views it that way, desiring to make Japan more “anti-fragile” with respect to food.

  101. @anonymous
    Even worse than English might be Western economics theory as taught in all the best places.

    Perhaps those Japanese cartels prefer their version of crony capitalism and rigged "arrangements" to whatever comes out of western economics departments, things like mindless worship of GDP uber alles?


    Keiretsu:


    "...The keiretsu maintained dominance over the Japanese economy for the second half of the 20th century...

    ...system helps insulate each company from stock market fluctuations and takeover attempts, thus enabling long-term planning...

    ...each company held a stake in the other's company...

    ...interlocking of shares serves as a tool for monitoring and disciplining the group's firms...

    ...strength between the member companies is determined by the "interlocking shares ratio"...

    ...keiretsu have great influence on Japanese industrial and economic policy. The preferential buying habits of the keiretsu kept foreign investors and foreign goods out of their markets, which America criticized as "barriers to free trade". This enabled the keiretsu to enjoy monopoly privileges over the Japanese market...

    ...there have been nine major postwar keiretsu...

    ...The keiretsu model is fairly unique to Japan..."

     

    “Even worse than English might be Western economics theory as taught in all the best places.”

    I agree with that. when I was younger I used to think sociology was the pits of academia and the prime tool for bludgeoning ‘european cultures’ to death, but as I got older I figured economics was way worse.

    I kinda frame it as university sociology depts being the vector of ‘leftist’ attack on europeans (incl america, australia) , while economics depts are the vector of the ‘rightist’ attack. I’d say the economic one has been more successful and the damage harder to undo.

    Asian interaction with how they adapt western economics to their societies is also very interesting from a cultural/ethnic standpoint IMO.

  102. Being a big country with a different alphabet and ‘strange’ language certainly helps create a cultural space that people can sustain ‘otherness’. Russians also seem quite well off in that regard to me with their cyrillic alphabet and VK social media platform. Smaller european countries people mostly use facebook or other western/anglophone platforms due to not having enough of an audience for their own language by itself, but Russia and some of its neighbours are big enough and different enough to have their own social media sphere for the youth etc.

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    @spandrell
    By that reasoning the Philippines should be completely Westernized. And yet the chose a president who loudly claims Americans are sons-of-bitches who should get the crap out while he guns out the undesirables without bothering to use the judicial system.

    This is a case of the exception confirming the rule: the very few Japanese who do speak English do so in order to claim their distinctiveness over the masses; adopting fashionable left-wing Anglo opinions is just part of their shtick.

    Philippines is basically a banana republic with strong authoritarian South American tendencies, though. Its pretty sufficiently divorced from anything of East Asia that its not really a reliable indicator of much else in Asia. Its probable that they would become a lot more liberalized if they had a much more “functional system” but its definitely not yet there. I mean, there’s more of a perception of Rule of Law in China than the Philippines.

  104. @White Guy In Japan
    I see the same dynamic at my university here in Japan. The Chinese girls are rather successful at getting boyfriends among the Japanese male students. Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls. Yet the Chinese (and the occasional Thai) females tend to be more extroverted and socially adept than many of the Japanese.

    Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls.

    Why is it 8-1 F-M on campus?

    What kind of school is it?

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Foreign language studies. Mostly girls.
    STEM colleges are mostly males.


    My female students complain it's hard to get a BF. The males don't complain.
  105. That raises the question of why Japan’s ruling class didn’t feel the necessity of going down the same mass-immigration path as did so many other advanced countries: Why is Japan such an exception?

    I know a wealthy doctor who was upset over Trump because he was hoping that TPP would allow him to bring in foreign nurses to work in his clinic at lower wages than his Japanese nurses. I also know a ton of academics who parrot American ideas. Your assumptions about the elite of Japan are incorrect. The same forces of self-interest and ideological conformity that drive mass immigration in the West exist in Japan.

    Japan is not an exception, it is just moving like molasses in the same direction. Japanese people are generally blind to what’s going on around them and tend to still believe in special “Japaneseness” that preserves itself even in the face of massive social changes. There is a lot of cultural inertia in all areas of life, and mass-immigration is just one example. But if the trend doesn’t reverse itself globally, support for mass immigration will happen in Japan.

    One benefit of learning English is that it opens up the possibility of Japanese discovering more about the outside world without filters. For example, I was talking to a poli sci student from one of Japan’s better universities who had a narrative of American politics in which “neo-liberalism” (opposition to FDR in his story) arose from the election of Reagan in the way in which people used to think maggots arose from rotting flesh. He was completely ignorant of any history of the US conservative movement. Without better English, his knowledge of US politics was entirely constrained by readings from US political scientists assigned by Japanese political scientists.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    I've seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black.
  106. @Malik
    Japan's far-right wing is very infuential.
    I learned Japanese for 2 years and traveled there three times. In many hotel rooms in Tokyo, you can easily find books (most of which are Japanese history books written by right wingers) denying Comfort Women and Nanking Massacre.
    In some book stores, you can see books like "Why Koreans are inferior", "Ugly uncivilized Chinese", "Japan has never been an invasive country "...
    Japan's attitude towards war crime is the opposite of Germany's - it could be a good thing when dealing with situations like immigration.

    Is any of this translated into English and buyable online?

    It kind of seems like it would be impossible to defend Japanese conduct in the run-up to and during WW2, but then I used to think that about the Confederacy. Worth finding out.

  107. @White Guy In Japan
    I see the same dynamic at my university here in Japan. The Chinese girls are rather successful at getting boyfriends among the Japanese male students. Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls. Yet the Chinese (and the occasional Thai) females tend to be more extroverted and socially adept than many of the Japanese.

    8-1 female to male? Is that what you meant? Jeez Louise. What kind of university is that heavily female, a nanny program?

    You couldn’t pay me to be in that situation. I wonder where these girls are going to find mates.

  108. @Jack D

    Moreover, a positive stance towards immigration is still seen by most politicians as the quickest way to lose an election.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    According to current projections, if nothing changes, Japan will be back to its 1970 population by around 2050. Roughly speaking the population rose smoothly during the century before 2010 (with very minor disruption for the war) and each year after 2010 will bring Japan back to the population it had the same number of years before 2010 - the record will play backwards. No one living in Japan in 1970 thought that it was anything but a crowded place, with guys whose job it was to push people into packed Tokyo subway cars so they could close the doors.


    http://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/08/subway-pushers-of-japan.html

    You would think that environmentalists would be delighted at having few humans burdening the environment?

    You would think that environmentalists would be delighted at having few humans burdening the environment?

    The failure of the current combination of leftist views on population, immigration, and environmentalism to cause cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me.

  109. @Malik
    Japan's far-right wing is very infuential.
    I learned Japanese for 2 years and traveled there three times. In many hotel rooms in Tokyo, you can easily find books (most of which are Japanese history books written by right wingers) denying Comfort Women and Nanking Massacre.
    In some book stores, you can see books like "Why Koreans are inferior", "Ugly uncivilized Chinese", "Japan has never been an invasive country "...
    Japan's attitude towards war crime is the opposite of Germany's - it could be a good thing when dealing with situations like immigration.

    How do Japanese historian talk about such subjects as Pearl Harbor, Midway, and the Marians Turkey Shoot? I am curious.

  110. English is the language of international commerce and aviation. George Orwell noted that the rules for English are very simple and it is the only language where you can make major grammar mistakes and still be understood. The diplomats prefer French because the words have to be exact. You want to know what you are agreeing to.
    The Japanese take English, because it is easy for them.

  111. @Chrisinsydney
    Not to mention that much of urban Japan is by necessity less than 70 years ago. Kyoto on the other hand is very beautiful, given it was the only major city not bombed.

    Kyoto’s beauty is largely due to its mountainous surroundings.

  112. Birthrates are low in Japan because it basically sucks to have kids in Japan. Everything is expensive in Japan. But everything associated with having kids is even more expensive, plus the housing is very small. In contrast, the childless adult life is really quite fun in Japan, particularly in Kanto and Kansei areas.

    Japan could do well with allowing limited immigration consisting of engineering and managerial talent. Such people can contribute well to Japan’s economy. However, low skill, low wage immigrants are not seen as being economically beneficial to Japan, not to mention the social problems associated with such people. Human capital is the primary issue surrounding immigration. The western countries, in their obsession with multi-culti, seem to have forgotten this, at their detriment.

    I think other East Asian immigrants (Chinese, Korean, etc.) can assimilate OK into Japanese culture. Immigrants from completely alien societies (e.g. MENA, Africa, etc.) are essentially unassimilable into Japanese culture. Many immigrants from these regions of the world also represent negative human capital.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The western countries, in their obsession with multi-culti, seem to have forgotten this, at their detriment.
     
    The (slowly declining) support among normal Americans for immigration is premised on the theory that anyone with the gumption to make it here must be worth having, regardless of skills, culture, etc...

    There is something to that, but as Steve notes, it takes a lot less gumption than it used to.
  113. @Massimo Heitor

    But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly.
     
    Maybe they have just been part of the same broader Indo-European culture.

    I love your post and mindset btw.

    In some ways Indians capture the classic greatness of former Britain better than the British. For example, the best English nursery rhyme videos for my kids are Indian and they are perfect.

    In some ways Indians capture the classic greatness of former Britain better than the British.

    Because Indians remain fiercely proud of being Indian, and they are highly ethnocentric (a few crazy female Indian SJWs not withstanding). The Brits, of course, are now culturally ashamed of being white and British.

    Racial pride and ethnocentrism are everything when it comes to keeping your nation.

  114. @william munny
    I think this goes along with the increasingly likely truth that children are influenced more by their peers than their parents. Interestingly, there is some research, iirc, that autistic children are more likely to have their parents' accents than their peers. Still hard to parse out how much of that is caused by autistic traits re: social skills and how much is time spent with peers.

    Either way, I hate my kids' stupid accents. On the other hand, I would have been annoyed if, growing up, all of my peers spoken in slavic broken English like their parents.

    Interesting. People with a good ear for accents tend to peg me as being from where my parents grew up. Although not very far physically from where I grew up there is a significant difference linguistically (both accent and colloquialisms). Local media accents may have played a role as well since my immediate locale was a bit of an anomaly with some variety.

    I’ve sometimes wondered if I fall on the autistic or Asperger’s spectrum at all (and suspect I present here as a bit like that). I think it’s mostly because I tend to approach things in an overly analytical fashion though. I was curious and took an online autism test once (reading emotion from facial pictures) and not only scored non-autistic but was above average. I should ask a thoughtful and perceptive friend about this sometime.

  115. @Foreign Expert

    My impression was that the Japanese actually speak quite a bit of English, with quite a few English loan words in Japanese, eg the word for toilet.
     
    Essentially every English word is a potential loan word in Japanese. Check out an English- Japanese dictionary. Every word is rendered with Japanese pronunciation.

    A Japanese to English dictionary will also give the pronunciation of Japanese words in Roman letters. That’s true of almost every dictionary of languages that are not written in the Roman alphabet.

    Usually if the Japanese have their own word for a thing they are not going to call it by a Japanized English loanword unless they have a good reason (e.g. they want to emphasize the Westernness of the item or distinguish it from the Japanese version). So the Japanese have (as you can imagine) a word (actually several) for rice but if a dish is not Japanese style steamed rice but made in a Western style (risotto, pilaf, etc.) then it is called raisu. A doa is a Western style door but a tobira is a Japanese style door. The Japanese categorize everything as being either Japanese or not , “own” or “foreign”. So a Western style door or rice dish or whatever is not just a subcategory of the thing as it exists in Japan but is a completely separate thing in their minds. To us, miso soup is a subcategory of soup, but to a Japanese, New England clam chowder is supu and miso soup (misoshiru) is not supu at all.

  116. So is Japan’s anti-immigration mindset simply the result of what happens in a nation when you don’t have Jewish control of your news media and entertainment industries?

  117. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's an interesting article about how Chinese immigrant men are considered huge Romeos in Japan.

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance


    China finds itself triumphant. Where else? On campus. In love.
    Roughly 87,000 Chinese exchange students are enrolled in Japanese universities – nearly twice as many as 10 years ago. “Herbivorous male” is a term coined several years ago to describe young Japanese men’s approach to sex these days. It suggests timidity and indifference. The Chinese students are not herbivorous. They are carnivorous. The result, says Shukan Bunshun (Feb 2) is that the Chinese enjoy a rich campus sex life while the Japanese look on in mingled envy, resentment and bewilderment.

    How do they do it? They hardly even speak the language. But they know the words they need, and they don’t take no for an answer. Take it from a Meiji University sophomore the magazine calls Sudo. There was a girl he loved from afar. He couldn’t bring himself to get closer. She was a year older, probably more sophisticated, and somehow intimidating. “I had the feeling it wouldn’t do to be aggressive,” he explains. A Chinese who spotted her knew no such scruples. “Really,” he would say to her in his broken Japanese, “you are so beautiful. I never met anyone so beautiful. Is your mother beautiful too?”
     
    Chinese men run tight game.



    Poor Sudo! In less than a month, the girl and the exchange student were a couple, while he licked his wounds unnoticed on the sidelines.
    It’s not just him, of course. Shukan Bunshun’s anecdotal evidence suggests a trend. Here’s the story of a girl named Chiemi, a boy named Yang, and another boy who used to be Chiemi’s boyfriend. They’re all Waseda University students. “Go out with me,” Yang urged Chiemi.” “But I already have a boyfriend,” she insisted. “But it’s better if you go out with me,” persisted Yang.
    It didn’t matter where they were, or who was present. Not even Chiemi’s boyfriend put Yang off. “Go out with me,” he’d say over and over.

    The boyfriend grumbled about Yang’s bad manners, but otherwise seemed stymied. That didn’t escape Chiemi, who gradually found herself drawn to the Chinese boy. His boldness and persistence were attractive – so un-Japanese! He could cook, too. He’d whip up wonderful Chinese dishes, saying, “Whatever you want, I’ll make.” The Japanese boyfriend didn’t stand a chance. Yang was in, he was out.

    “The lukewarm approach of Japan’s herbivorous men,” Shukan Bunshun hears from writer and erotic merchandise shop manager Minori Kitahara, “is just no match for the animal magnetism of the Chinese male.”
     
    Apparently the sexual animalism of Chinese men is hard to resist.

    Natural selection.

    Japanese shyness is unnatural.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    Where then did it come from in the first place? It is a product of families and clans protecting their daughters/female relations from precisely this sort of situation. And the successful groups are going to be the ones that don't allow this to happen to them.
    , @anon
    The following is a repost of a comment I made in response to another comment on this article:

    http://www.unz.com/article/gangnam-and-minjok/



    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told. US felt the same way about Korean troops in the Vietnam War. Koreans are like dogs who do as told. They may have reasonable high IQ, but their culture is childlike, immature, brutish, and tarded. So, Koreans don’t have a culture of higher intellect and emotional control. So, Koreans, ever childlike, seek a master to follow and serve. So, US Koreans became useful tools of US empire, and Russian Koreans became loyal dogs of Soviet Communism.
     
    Agree with this completely, although I believe that east asians as a whole tend to show this trait. This is why I advocate multiculturalism for korea/east asia; not because its the “cool”, “trendy” thing to do, rather because korean/east asian people need to have their cultures sent through the crucible, korean/east asian people need to be exposed to the brutality, primitiveness, and in some cases superiority of other cultures in the world which will subsequently tear apart their fragile and artificially constructed world which allows their various social psychopathies to grow unhindered like mushrooms in the a dark room. Only when korean/east asian people are exposed to the rest of the world (in all its ugliness and beauty) and forced to deal with it will they begin to mature collectively. Unlike what you have proposed in your previous comments, more nationalism (IE insularity) is NOT what korea needs; intense insularity is the entire reason that koreans are childlike and emotionally immature. Were historically if east asia was in more intense and frequent contact with the rest of the world then they would have been forced to culturally evolve to become more worldly and sentient, instead of the highly intelligent children that they have evolved to be today. Fortunately the west through its heavy handed imperialism and cruelty disabused 19th century east asia of its navel gazing and illusions of grandeur and forced them to become tougher, more worldly and more realistic to deal with the menace of western imperialism; which is actually a process that is still underway today. In this globalizing world, each subsequent generation of east asian people (through exposure to global media, immigration, positive AND negative contact with foreigners, etc) will become more and more sharp, competent, socially savvy and aware and hopefully in time will be able to shed their cloistered, inexperienced and childlike mindset. A sharper, more sentient and socially competent populace will in turn be able to both project as well as defend its interests much more easily, as opposed to a quasi-autistic and socially untested population that east asia is currently composed of.

    In case I haven’t already made it clear enough, I will restate my views on multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is good for east asia in the same way that western imperialism was good for east asia; multiculuralism is good for east asia precisely because it is so bad. Asian people’s biggest weakness is complacency and a tendency to atrophy, ossify and look inwards; multiculturalism is perfect because it will pull asian people out of their comfort zones and force them to evolve as a culture (Masculinity is but one aspect of this, but asian culture as a whole needs to evolve, which in fact it has been since the 19th century, I only support an acceleration of this process). When I advocate multiculturalism in east asia, contrary to what some people here think, I am not talking about kumbaya, drum circles and rainbows; rather I am talking about the gauntlet, a crucible, and trial by fire.

    Some people here think that multiculturalism will grow legs in asia and get completely out of control; but I think many of these people saying this are projecting their own (white/western) psychology on the matter and may or may not be truly familiar with the psychology of asian people. The fact of the matter is, multiculturalism grew legs in the west precisely because westerners are liberal and openminded to begin with (yes im aware of the jewish involvement, but jews only capitalized on an existing tendency in the white psychology, they didnt create a pathology out of nowhere); asian people on the other hand are famously introverted, “conservative” and closeminded. While asian people may tolerate and even tepidly embrace multiculturalism for a while; once it begins to get out of hand they will reject it much much faster than westerners have.
     

    The fact of the matter is, there is a balance that needs to be struck in terms of preserving culture and changing it. As it currently stands, Japanese culture and east asian culture as a whole is completely dysfunctional in terms of its masculinity; IMO this is due to an overly patriarchal culture which discourages female sexuality, a highly estrogenic diet and finally dysgenic breeding trends that occurred as a result of an overly patriarchal culture*. Thus, this degree of shyness is simply not normal, and it is obviously not desirable either, otherwise japanese women themselves would not be running into the arms of (slightly more masculine) chinese romeos, let alone white and black guys. On that note, from what I have seen, many unz.com readers seem to have a kneejerk reaction against any kind of cultural change and believe that culture should remain static and unchanging until the end of time; however is this really a realistic or desirable notion? Furthermore I find it humorous that some commenters here think that Japan needs to stay closed off indefinitely to foreign males otherwise it will be overrun by horny and more masculine hordes. Well, last time Japan tried that trick they were forcibly opened up by Commodore Perry's fleet. Its simply unrealistic to think that in a rapidly globalizing age that Japan could remain indefinitely closed off to foreigners; furthermore the future is completely unpredictable. Could Japan stay closed off to foreigners for the next 100 years? Yes, I think that's somewhat feasible, but what about the next 200 years? 300 years? 500 years into the future? Given the hectic pace at which the world is changing, its completely impossible to make any accurate predictions about the future. This is why I think that the most prudent and reliable thing for east asia to do is to start building up its cultural and racial resiliency right now through exposing itself to foreigners and foreign culture which will have the indirect effect of destabilizing obsolete elements in east asian culture and forcing it to adapt to new norms as opposed to trying to isolate itself in the hopes that the globalist tide will somehow miss it within the unforeseen future (fat chance).

    *In east asia males have historically dominated mate selection; predictably east asian males will almost consistently select for petite, gracile, mild mannered women. Unfortunately, such women will also birth petite, gracile and mild mannered sons. Even in the case of an arranged marriage where the mom will have a say so in the prospective husband, an older post menopausal woman will most likely choose the safe and secure option for her daughter as opposed to a strapping, masculine, young man. That being said, when it comes to direct female mate selection, women will typically select for providers and material security over physical traits in a mate, however... if material security is accounted for (the norm in a 1st world nation) then women will typically revert to their true nature which is selecting for sexually dimorphic masculine traits, both psychological as well as physiological. Don't believe me? Just look at subsaharan africans, a combination of abundant material resources and a matriarchal leaning society (hence greater female sexual freedom) seemed to have a pro-masculine eugenic effect for black people, I think it could do the same for asian people. By adopting such cultural trends it would go a long way in terms of balancing the asian race in terms of sexuality and intellect.

    , @Corvinus
    "Japanese shyness is unnatural."

    Unnatural to those who are extroverts. Biology, culture, and relationship history all play off of one another. Shyness exists universally, although it is not defined or experienced the same way from society to society. Psychologist Phil Zimbardo's earliest surveys hinted at cultural differences in shyness: Japanese and Taiwanese students consistently expressed the highest level of shyness, Jewish students the lowest.
  118. @Jack D
    Most of the border area in Texas is very heavily Mexican.

    But isn’t Texas’ border much less fortified and patrolled? That’s my impression from news and such (I’ve never lives in Texas). In San Diego we have a huge wall stretching into the sea, and the border patrol (one of my best friends’ husband is one, so I know a few) are pretty serious about their jobs.

    Also, California (especially the south) was very sparsely inhabited when Fremont led it to independence, and even afterward, until Mulholland engineered his miraculous aquaducts. So its Mexicans are late-arriving invaders. Texas already had a lot of Tejanos when Houston, Crockett, Austin et al. led it to independence; so I gather a lot of the Mexicans in Texas are descended from settlers, not immigrants. San Diego’s essentially the unofficial headquarters of the Pacific Fleet (apologies to Pearl Harbor), too, and the heavy influence of the military lends it a conservative, patriotic bent not present elsewhere in California’s large cities.

    I also gather that, for these reasons and other, Texas’ mestizos are much less troublesome and much more productive and assimilative than California’s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This map may provide a clue:

    http://kxan.com/presidential-election-texas-county-map/


    The border area in Texas is sort of a limbo that is not quite America, not quite Mexico.
  119. Japan has a non-existent crime rate.
    Woman can walk freely late at night in large cities.
    Their companies compete successfully in every industry they enter.
    It has decent social and medical programs
    Japanese scientists scoop up more than their fair share of Nobel prizes.
    Japan has the best food, in terms of health and taste
    There is little to no poverty
    No racial or ethnic strife

    Why fix something that isn’t broken and turn the country into Sweden, Britain, France or California.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You lack vibrant diversity. You don't know what you're missing out on. Hurry, hurry.
    , @Jefferson
    "Japan has a non-existent crime rate."

    New York City would be considered a dangerous city by Japanese standards, but by American standards it is considered a safe city.
  120. Even if 99% of the countries in the world would have a african majority population antiracists would still freak out about that one percent left without african majority. I think this is in part because deep in their heart they know that non african majority works better, they would to destroy and evidence that life could actually be better with another than pro-Africa policy.

    Apart from that the TFR of Japan is really interesting. Up to 2015 it had risen so that Japanese people surprisingly had more children than many European people. Yet for many journalists Japan is still the famous example for extremely low TFR.
    Maybe in 2016 is sunk again, the numbers will be probably published in the next weeks

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Even if 99% of the countries in the world would have a african majority population antiracists would still freak out about that one percent left without african majority."

    The Left would complain about the underclass Black and Brown majority being ruled over by the Asian and White upperclass and upper middle class minority.

  121. “Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95.

    In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue.”

    -some German guy

  122. @TangoMan
    The government assumes that the Japanese population is staunchly against immigration, without doing anything to tackle this.

    "Government of the people, by the people and for the people" translates to a pretty universal signal of good governance. Yet here we see columnists who believe it is the government's job to educate the people to "proper values." As a thought experiment, what if some intellectual cabal took shape and, over time, developed an ideology that random mass slaughter was a "proper value" - should government then try to convince people to change their minds and step up to the Logan's Run carousel?

    It already has. It goes by the moniker:
    A-B-O-R-T-I-O-N

  123. @Weyyar
    Japan has a non-existent crime rate.
    Woman can walk freely late at night in large cities.
    Their companies compete successfully in every industry they enter.
    It has decent social and medical programs
    Japanese scientists scoop up more than their fair share of Nobel prizes.
    Japan has the best food, in terms of health and taste
    There is little to no poverty
    No racial or ethnic strife

    Why fix something that isn't broken and turn the country into Sweden, Britain, France or California.

    You lack vibrant diversity. You don’t know what you’re missing out on. Hurry, hurry.

  124. @AndrewR
    Natural selection.

    Japanese shyness is unnatural.

    Where then did it come from in the first place? It is a product of families and clans protecting their daughters/female relations from precisely this sort of situation. And the successful groups are going to be the ones that don’t allow this to happen to them.

  125. @Autochthon
    But isn't Texas' border much less fortified and patrolled? That's my impression from news and such (I've never lives in Texas). In San Diego we have a huge wall stretching into the sea, and the border patrol (one of my best friends' husband is one, so I know a few) are pretty serious about their jobs.

    Also, California (especially the south) was very sparsely inhabited when Fremont led it to independence, and even afterward, until Mulholland engineered his miraculous aquaducts. So its Mexicans are late-arriving invaders. Texas already had a lot of Tejanos when Houston, Crockett, Austin et al. led it to independence; so I gather a lot of the Mexicans in Texas are descended from settlers, not immigrants. San Diego's essentially the unofficial headquarters of the Pacific Fleet (apologies to Pearl Harbor), too, and the heavy influence of the military lends it a conservative, patriotic bent not present elsewhere in California's large cities.

    I also gather that, for these reasons and other, Texas' mestizos are much less troublesome and much more productive and assimilative than California's.

    This map may provide a clue:

    http://kxan.com/presidential-election-texas-county-map/

    The border area in Texas is sort of a limbo that is not quite America, not quite Mexico.

    • Replies: @Thrasymachus
    I made a trip through Central America and Mexico ending in Texas, and the only place I had to use Spanish to communicate was Brownsville.
  126. @Erik Sieven
    Even if 99% of the countries in the world would have a african majority population antiracists would still freak out about that one percent left without african majority. I think this is in part because deep in their heart they know that non african majority works better, they would to destroy and evidence that life could actually be better with another than pro-Africa policy.

    Apart from that the TFR of Japan is really interesting. Up to 2015 it had risen so that Japanese people surprisingly had more children than many European people. Yet for many journalists Japan is still the famous example for extremely low TFR.
    Maybe in 2016 is sunk again, the numbers will be probably published in the next weeks

    “Even if 99% of the countries in the world would have a african majority population antiracists would still freak out about that one percent left without african majority.”

    The Left would complain about the underclass Black and Brown majority being ruled over by the Asian and White upperclass and upper middle class minority.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No.

    Modern leftism is really anti-whiteism by another name.
    Once whites effectively disappear, the left - and the 'struggle' for 'racial equality' will disappear too.
  127. When Germans were just crazy nationalists they were less troublesome. If not stopped, their internationalist ideological aggression will destroy every country in the world.

  128. @Joe Schmoe

    Bear in mind, it is about 8-1 F-M on campus, so the boys have their pick of the girls.
     
    Why is it 8-1 F-M on campus?

    What kind of school is it?

    Foreign language studies. Mostly girls.
    STEM colleges are mostly males.

    My female students complain it’s hard to get a BF. The males don’t complain.

  129. @Intelligent Dasein
    How do you say "onion" in Japanese?

    How do you say “onion” in Japanese?

    It’s “tamanegi”, but why do you ask? Are you using “onion” with a non-vegetable meaning?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    Yes. I thought the tone of the article was worthy of a Japanese version of The Onion.
  130. @Desiderius
    If it's brutal, isn't it better to know that is the case than otherwise? Who convinced you you couldn't compete? win?

    It is in fact brutal, but not just brutal. To get to the non-brutal part, you have to beat the brutes.

    Donald Rumsfeld is proud of your sentences.

  131. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin)."

    I travel to San Diego once a year for Comic Con International. I would rank it vastly above Los Angeles.

    I’m surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don’t really express any interest in that scene.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I’m surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don’t really express any interest in that scene."

    I talk about films a lot here on The Unz.

  132. @Stan Adams
    English has too many words - too many ways to say something while making others think that you're saying something else. It's a bullshitter's tongue.

    Best to stick with the old Germanic wordhoard, insofar as one can.

    I remember Reader’s Digest printed an essay back in the ’80s or ’90s titled “The Glorious Messiness of English”. IIRC correctly the essay said French has a vocabulary of approximately 75,000 words whereas English has a vocabulary double or two and a half times that.

    I wonder what English would look like if the Normans had lost at Hastings.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    My copy of the Oxford English Dictionary has some 600,000 words defined.

    Read "The meaning of everything" by Simon Winchester about its creation. It is a wonderfully written book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Everything-Oxford-English-Dictionary/dp/019517500X
    , @utu
    [English] certainly has the largest vocabulary ... by a long, long, long long, way. Rather as China is to the rest of the world in population, English is in the population of its words. (STEPHEN FRY)

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2010/06/counting_words

    "English is certainly rich in vocabulary, but this claim is nearly always made by enthusiastic lovers of English who don't really know how the many varieties of language beyond English work. It's not that another language has more words. The comparison simply can't be made in any agreed apples-to-apples way. "

    This German neonym Wortschatzprahlerei = "vocabulary boasting" should be included in English because boasting about English vocabulary is pretty common among English speakers. They could boast even more.
  133. @Anonymous
    I'm surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don't really express any interest in that scene.

    “I’m surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don’t really express any interest in that scene.”

    I talk about films a lot here on The Unz.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I thought you were more of a paisan type and too cool for Comic Con type stuff.
  134. @Anonymous
    This is the exact same problem that we have in India.

    The early British influence was probably for the best, since we imbibed their values when they were at the peak of their expansionary stage. Victorian morals, sex-segregated schooling, a sense of fair play, rationalism, political order and a lot of other good stuff.

    But that was a long time ago. Now the Anglosphere is a civilization in decline, grown fat and lazy from its success. But Indians still imbibe its ideas unquestioningly. Gay pride, divorce fests, slutwalk, illegal immigration, no borders, anti-"hate", globalism, hedonism, thug life, Kardashians.

    Truly the gospel of national weakness.

    My one hope is that Trump's win turns the tide enough in Britain and America to make liberalism uncool in India.

    It’s not so much English as the Anglospheric culture which creates degeneracy.

  135. @Jack D
    This map may provide a clue:

    http://kxan.com/presidential-election-texas-county-map/


    The border area in Texas is sort of a limbo that is not quite America, not quite Mexico.

    I made a trip through Central America and Mexico ending in Texas, and the only place I had to use Spanish to communicate was Brownsville.

  136. @Weyyar
    Japan has a non-existent crime rate.
    Woman can walk freely late at night in large cities.
    Their companies compete successfully in every industry they enter.
    It has decent social and medical programs
    Japanese scientists scoop up more than their fair share of Nobel prizes.
    Japan has the best food, in terms of health and taste
    There is little to no poverty
    No racial or ethnic strife

    Why fix something that isn't broken and turn the country into Sweden, Britain, France or California.

    “Japan has a non-existent crime rate.”

    New York City would be considered a dangerous city by Japanese standards, but by American standards it is considered a safe city.

  137. @Chrisnonymous

    That raises the question of why Japan’s ruling class didn’t feel the necessity of going down the same mass-immigration path as did so many other advanced countries: Why is Japan such an exception?
     
    I know a wealthy doctor who was upset over Trump because he was hoping that TPP would allow him to bring in foreign nurses to work in his clinic at lower wages than his Japanese nurses. I also know a ton of academics who parrot American ideas. Your assumptions about the elite of Japan are incorrect. The same forces of self-interest and ideological conformity that drive mass immigration in the West exist in Japan.

    Japan is not an exception, it is just moving like molasses in the same direction. Japanese people are generally blind to what's going on around them and tend to still believe in special "Japaneseness" that preserves itself even in the face of massive social changes. There is a lot of cultural inertia in all areas of life, and mass-immigration is just one example. But if the trend doesn't reverse itself globally, support for mass immigration will happen in Japan.

    One benefit of learning English is that it opens up the possibility of Japanese discovering more about the outside world without filters. For example, I was talking to a poli sci student from one of Japan's better universities who had a narrative of American politics in which "neo-liberalism" (opposition to FDR in his story) arose from the election of Reagan in the way in which people used to think maggots arose from rotting flesh. He was completely ignorant of any history of the US conservative movement. Without better English, his knowledge of US politics was entirely constrained by readings from US political scientists assigned by Japanese political scientists.

    I’ve seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I’ve seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black."

    Most East Asians are Hip Hop and NBA junkies, so I am surprised they think America is only 50 percent Black. That figure is way too low.
  138. @Steve Sailer
    Japanese houses fall apart faster. They're not really built to endure for centuries.

    “Japanese houses fall apart faster. They’re not really built to endure for centuries.”

    Bit like Detroit then.

  139. @IAmCorn
    I remember Reader's Digest printed an essay back in the '80s or '90s titled "The Glorious Messiness of English". IIRC correctly the essay said French has a vocabulary of approximately 75,000 words whereas English has a vocabulary double or two and a half times that.

    I wonder what English would look like if the Normans had lost at Hastings.

    My copy of the Oxford English Dictionary has some 600,000 words defined.

    Read “The meaning of everything” by Simon Winchester about its creation. It is a wonderfully written book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Everything-Oxford-English-Dictionary/dp/019517500X

  140. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    How do you say “onion” in Japanese?

    It's "tamanegi", but why do you ask? Are you using "onion" with a non-vegetable meaning?

    Yes. I thought the tone of the article was worthy of a Japanese version of The Onion.

  141. @Bill Jones
    I've seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black.

    “I’ve seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black.”

    Most East Asians are Hip Hop and NBA junkies, so I am surprised they think America is only 50 percent Black. That figure is way too low.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    No, we're not Hip Hop or NBA junkies - weird idea - but I do agree my parents had that idea simply by watching American media. By black representation in average, one would think that the US is at least 30% black.
  142. @IAmCorn
    I remember Reader's Digest printed an essay back in the '80s or '90s titled "The Glorious Messiness of English". IIRC correctly the essay said French has a vocabulary of approximately 75,000 words whereas English has a vocabulary double or two and a half times that.

    I wonder what English would look like if the Normans had lost at Hastings.

    [English] certainly has the largest vocabulary … by a long, long, long long, way. Rather as China is to the rest of the world in population, English is in the population of its words. (STEPHEN FRY)

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2010/06/counting_words

    “English is certainly rich in vocabulary, but this claim is nearly always made by enthusiastic lovers of English who don’t really know how the many varieties of language beyond English work. It’s not that another language has more words. The comparison simply can’t be made in any agreed apples-to-apples way. ”

    This German neonym Wortschatzprahlerei = “vocabulary boasting” should be included in English because boasting about English vocabulary is pretty common among English speakers. They could boast even more.

  143. @Anon
    When it comes to language hegemony or linguimony, I think it's not just about what you read but the imaginary audience and imaginary mentors you develop in your mind.

    So, if a Japanese person becomes attuned to Anglosphere news or culture, he or she may think and write in terms of gaining the attention and approval of the Anglosphere world, even if only imagined.
    So, it's not just a one-way flow of intellectual ideas from America to Japan. It's an emotional attachment that develops to America.
    I think we saw this with Haruki Murakami who became proficient in English and did translations. He began to see his audience and appreciators as more and more English than Japanese.
    When a Japanese who only knows Japanese reads and writes, he has other Japanese in mind as audience, students, mentors, peers, and etc. But when a Japanese writes or thinks in English(dominated by the US), he has Americans in mind. All writers seek attention, approval, and feedback, and consciously and subconsciously, this is shaped by the nature of the audience.

    If Japanese assume that Americans are like such-and-such, then their thought processes become molded in accordance to what they assume Americans like and prefer.

    In the past, Americanism might have stood for More Freedom and Individual Liberty, in which case US influence wasn't so bad. But now, US stands for PC, dogma, hysteria, and censoriousness. So, the effect of coming under US influence is not more freedom but more repression. After all, Open Borders is sold as more freedom but is pushed through by the elites by repressing the feelings of the masses.

    A writer never meets most of his readers. He might meet some at book signings, but most of the audience is really just in his head. And all writers think of this imaginary audience whom they cater to. So, the nature of the audience, real or imagined, changes the tone and direction of the writer's art or agenda.

    So, when Japanese began to read more in English, they are not only getting more US propaganda but are thinking(and even writing) in relation to an imagined American audience or peer. That will shape behavior.

    It's like white behavior will change in relation to the significant audience.

    Because Jews are prominent in arts and letters, many goyim who read Jewish writers not only become influenced by Jewish ideas but think and write in relation to those Jewish writers(even if they never make personal contact). A kind of imaginary conversation opens up between the Jewish writers and goy readers.
    Look at film criticism. Sarris and Kael influenced entire generations of film critics. When the new generation of cinephiles were growing up, they had either Sarris or Kael in their minds, and they were developing in relation to Sarris or Kael, as if in imaginary conversations between the writers and readers. The younger writers developed their craft with an imagined Sarris or Kael as their audience/mentor.

    Language not only allows flow of information and ideas but creates imagined audiences that haunt the reader, thinker, and writer. When Japanese read more in English, they see different literary ghosts.

    Mad Magazine influenced many readers with its irreverent style, and spawned many Madchurian Candidates. Was Don Martin Jewish?

    • Replies: @Anon
    I wonder what foreign cultural products had ideological influence on the US.

    Paglia always complains that French philosophers, especially Foucault, had a tremendous(and negative) influence on the American academia. But I think most Americans who were influenced by these ideas never learned French. They relied on translations or interpretations. It's like most communists didn't know German and never read Marx in German or even in their own languages. They just got second-hand interpretations from speeches and newspaper articles or text-books. In the end, the scribes matter more than the seers. Most people know Marx not from Marx's own texts but from reporting by journalists who themselves relied on secondary sources written by scholars. Most journalists in the 20th century surely wrote about communism or Marx at one time. But how many read DAS KAPITAL, esp in the original German?

    In the case of Jews and Anglo-Americans, it seems like the influence eventually flowed the other way around even though Jews learned English while Anglo-Americans never learned Yiddish, German, or one of those Eastern European languages that Jewish immigrants were fluent in. So, the main issue isn't English per se but which group/interest takes control of English via hold of media and academia. Jews learned the language of their competitors but used it to win and gain control over the competitor. Jews first did this by gaining control over the direction of American radicalism, then American Liberalism, and then American Conservatism(via Neocons). If conservative forces controlled English, it would do no harm to Japanese to learn English.

    Even though US developed as an English-speaking nation with Anglo roots and even though Americans hardly mastered foreign languages, it's arguable that German and French thoughts had greater intellectual impact on America in the 21st century than British intellectualism did. I don't know much about Heidegger but he supposedly had a huge impact on French philosophers who then had a huge impact on Anglo and American intellectual thought. Some see that stuff as the inspiration for Counter Culture, Deconstruction, and host of radical PC ideologies now in vogue. Some would point to Frankfurt School, but even they were influenced by German and French thinkers. Even though British Philosophy made more sense in logic and facts, the grand ambition, radical will, and/or bold vision of the Germans and French captivated the 60s generation that wanted the World. English Thought was too modest and moderate. According to Peter Hitchens, the spirit of May 68 soon gripped UK as well, and British intellectual thought hasn't been same since.
    But if Heidegger is the granddaddy of 20th century philosophy and if he was a rightist and if his ideas were the main inspiration for leftist politics later in the century, what are we talking of? I dunno.

    But then, we might be living in the post-intellectual age. Today' s ideas seem too silly, faddish, juvenile, and fragile. No wonder SJW's are called snowflakes. Though PC surely has intellectual roots in the 'great thinkers', the powerful ideas have been appropriated and turned into sushi bites and memes for the Culture of Complaint. Just like once formidable Modernism in Art degenerated into posturing silliness of post-modernism, the once boldly explored philosophies of past thinkers have been turned into vapid slogans stuck in the mouths of SJW's like so many baby pacifiers.

    And this seems to be the case with Alt Right too. Though there are some serious people in the movement, much of it is meme-driven and jokes about some frog and 'kek'.
    And in this, Japanese anime has been an inspiration to some. So, can we say a Japanese product had ideological influence on America? The appeal of anime to racial nationalists isn't difficult to understand. Most of anime has what looks like a kind of idealized white race in an alternative universe. There is little diversity except for hair color. Also, anime emphasizes good looks and attractiveness, whereas much of American animation tend to stress the grotesque and deviant, like THE SIMPSONS.
    Most of anime surely has no ideological content, not consciously anyway. But its sensibility is at odds with much of American Culture.

    Annalee Newitz's essay on anime for FILM QUARTERLY is awful and is filled with tons of inaccuracies. But she was onto something on the sub-ideological-content of what anime aesthetics stand for.

    http://www1.udel.edu/History-old/figal/Hist372/Materials/magicgirls.pdf

    One look at her and you know why she detests the anime aesthetic. With its idealized characters, it looks like cartoon nazism.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/682633300972732416/fgsrChyu.jpg

    On the other hand, anime seems to have inspired a lot of dumb degenerate cosplay not unlike Newitz's infantile self-image. Attending one anime convention for one day long ago was one of the sorriest things I ever did.

    http://cdn24.picsart.com/162966861000201.jpeg
    , @Desiderius
    The genius behind Mad was the son of Ukrainian Jews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Kurtzman

    https://jeffoverturf.blogspot.com/2011/05/shermlock-shomes-bill-elder-mad-mondays.html
  144. Brazilian Japanese immigration to Japan has not gone all that well.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/global/23immigrant.html?mtrref=undefined&gwh=788BADDAF947A60AF00A1F90E47C2226&gwt=pay

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    Naturally, we don’t want those same people back in Japan after a couple of months,” Mr. Kawasaki said. “Japanese taxpayers would ask, ‘What kind of ridiculous policy is this?’"
     
    Would that American taxpayers had half as much sense about invaders....
    , @Jack D

    “We should stop letting unskilled laborers into Japan. We should make sure that even the three-K jobs [hard,dirty, dangerous] are paid well, and that they are filled by Japanese,” he said. “I do not think that Japan should ever become a multiethnic society.”

    He said the United States had been “a failure on the immigration front,” and cited extreme income inequalities between rich Americans and poor immigrants.
     
    Nazi
  145. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "I’m surprised to find that you go to Comic Con every year. From your comments, you don’t really express any interest in that scene."

    I talk about films a lot here on The Unz.

    I thought you were more of a paisan type and too cool for Comic Con type stuff.

  146. @Malik
    Japan's far-right wing is very infuential.
    I learned Japanese for 2 years and traveled there three times. In many hotel rooms in Tokyo, you can easily find books (most of which are Japanese history books written by right wingers) denying Comfort Women and Nanking Massacre.
    In some book stores, you can see books like "Why Koreans are inferior", "Ugly uncivilized Chinese", "Japan has never been an invasive country "...
    Japan's attitude towards war crime is the opposite of Germany's - it could be a good thing when dealing with situations like immigration.

    Japan could offer Germany, indeed the rest of the West, a blue print of how to assuage its suicidal guilt.

  147. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Britons ‘should learn Polish, Punjabi and Urdu to boost social cohesion’

    Learning community languages would aid integration, boost people’s wellbeing and be good for economy, says Cambridge academic”

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jan/18/britons-should-learn-polish-punjabi-and-urdu-to-boost-social-cohesion

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    It makes sense that that Cambridge academic teaches French, one of the few languages an English speaker might be motivated to learn for reasons other than intellectual curiosity (simply because the French often refuse to speak English). It is very hard to learn Polish, Punjab or Urdu in their native countries because most of the people a typical foreigner will want to interact with already speak English. I know a lot of Americans and Brits who have lived and worked in Poland often for decades, and surprisingly few of them speak Polish fluently, almost none have achieved native speaker fluency. Unless you want to hang out with old people, very young children, farmers or lower working class rowdies, you have to make a real effort to use Polish socially, because it is very easy to get frustrated and switch to English. I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison. I assume in Pakistan or India the situation is even worse since many Subcontinentals consider it an insult to have a white person try to speak Urdu or Hindi at them, it implies you think their English is no good.

    Yes, immigrants probably will welcome the attentions of native 22 year old girls trying to "integrate" them, but otherwise the idea of condescending British liberals trying to speak "community languages" is a farce.
  148. @Autochthon
    No. I've lived many years in San Diego, in and around San José, and in Seattle. Seattle seemed to have the most Japanese; San Francisco may have more ethnic Japanese, but they seem to have more commonly descended from Japanese who came to the U.S.A. more than a century ago.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    These are my observational impressions; I welcome corrections via empirical, statistically valid data.

    The great thing about San Diego is it has (or had) fewer Mexicans and other invaders than does L.A. and the San Francisco Bay, for the same reason one is unlikely to be bothered by convicts if one lives next door to a prison: in both cases, the one thing the undesirable strives to do is get as far away as possible from the place he escaped and the authorities seeking to apprehend him (hat tip to the late George Carlin).

    You’d be surprised to visit Utica, then.

  149. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ivy
    Mad Magazine influenced many readers with its irreverent style, and spawned many Madchurian Candidates. Was Don Martin Jewish?

    I wonder what foreign cultural products had ideological influence on the US.

    Paglia always complains that French philosophers, especially Foucault, had a tremendous(and negative) influence on the American academia. But I think most Americans who were influenced by these ideas never learned French. They relied on translations or interpretations. It’s like most communists didn’t know German and never read Marx in German or even in their own languages. They just got second-hand interpretations from speeches and newspaper articles or text-books. In the end, the scribes matter more than the seers. Most people know Marx not from Marx’s own texts but from reporting by journalists who themselves relied on secondary sources written by scholars. Most journalists in the 20th century surely wrote about communism or Marx at one time. But how many read DAS KAPITAL, esp in the original German?

    In the case of Jews and Anglo-Americans, it seems like the influence eventually flowed the other way around even though Jews learned English while Anglo-Americans never learned Yiddish, German, or one of those Eastern European languages that Jewish immigrants were fluent in. So, the main issue isn’t English per se but which group/interest takes control of English via hold of media and academia. Jews learned the language of their competitors but used it to win and gain control over the competitor. Jews first did this by gaining control over the direction of American radicalism, then American Liberalism, and then American Conservatism(via Neocons). If conservative forces controlled English, it would do no harm to Japanese to learn English.

    Even though US developed as an English-speaking nation with Anglo roots and even though Americans hardly mastered foreign languages, it’s arguable that German and French thoughts had greater intellectual impact on America in the 21st century than British intellectualism did. I don’t know much about Heidegger but he supposedly had a huge impact on French philosophers who then had a huge impact on Anglo and American intellectual thought. Some see that stuff as the inspiration for Counter Culture, Deconstruction, and host of radical PC ideologies now in vogue. Some would point to Frankfurt School, but even they were influenced by German and French thinkers. Even though British Philosophy made more sense in logic and facts, the grand ambition, radical will, and/or bold vision of the Germans and French captivated the 60s generation that wanted the World. English Thought was too modest and moderate. According to Peter Hitchens, the spirit of May 68 soon gripped UK as well, and British intellectual thought hasn’t been same since.
    But if Heidegger is the granddaddy of 20th century philosophy and if he was a rightist and if his ideas were the main inspiration for leftist politics later in the century, what are we talking of? I dunno.

    But then, we might be living in the post-intellectual age. Today’ s ideas seem too silly, faddish, juvenile, and fragile. No wonder SJW’s are called snowflakes. Though PC surely has intellectual roots in the ‘great thinkers’, the powerful ideas have been appropriated and turned into sushi bites and memes for the Culture of Complaint. Just like once formidable Modernism in Art degenerated into posturing silliness of post-modernism, the once boldly explored philosophies of past thinkers have been turned into vapid slogans stuck in the mouths of SJW’s like so many baby pacifiers.

    And this seems to be the case with Alt Right too. Though there are some serious people in the movement, much of it is meme-driven and jokes about some frog and ‘kek’.
    And in this, Japanese anime has been an inspiration to some. So, can we say a Japanese product had ideological influence on America? The appeal of anime to racial nationalists isn’t difficult to understand. Most of anime has what looks like a kind of idealized white race in an alternative universe. There is little diversity except for hair color. Also, anime emphasizes good looks and attractiveness, whereas much of American animation tend to stress the grotesque and deviant, like THE SIMPSONS.
    Most of anime surely has no ideological content, not consciously anyway. But its sensibility is at odds with much of American Culture.

    Annalee Newitz’s essay on anime for FILM QUARTERLY is awful and is filled with tons of inaccuracies. But she was onto something on the sub-ideological-content of what anime aesthetics stand for.

    http://www1.udel.edu/History-old/figal/Hist372/Materials/magicgirls.pdf

    One look at her and you know why she detests the anime aesthetic. With its idealized characters, it looks like cartoon nazism.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/682633300972732416/fgsrChyu.jpg

    On the other hand, anime seems to have inspired a lot of dumb degenerate cosplay not unlike Newitz’s infantile self-image. Attending one anime convention for one day long ago was one of the sorriest things I ever did.

    http://cdn24.picsart.com/162966861000201.jpeg

  150. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Why is Japan an exception?

    No Jews.

    • Replies: @republic
    Lots of bookstores in Japan used to have a special section of books entitled, Japan and the Jews
  151. @Abelard Lindsey
    Birthrates are low in Japan because it basically sucks to have kids in Japan. Everything is expensive in Japan. But everything associated with having kids is even more expensive, plus the housing is very small. In contrast, the childless adult life is really quite fun in Japan, particularly in Kanto and Kansei areas.

    Japan could do well with allowing limited immigration consisting of engineering and managerial talent. Such people can contribute well to Japan's economy. However, low skill, low wage immigrants are not seen as being economically beneficial to Japan, not to mention the social problems associated with such people. Human capital is the primary issue surrounding immigration. The western countries, in their obsession with multi-culti, seem to have forgotten this, at their detriment.

    I think other East Asian immigrants (Chinese, Korean, etc.) can assimilate OK into Japanese culture. Immigrants from completely alien societies (e.g. MENA, Africa, etc.) are essentially unassimilable into Japanese culture. Many immigrants from these regions of the world also represent negative human capital.

    The western countries, in their obsession with multi-culti, seem to have forgotten this, at their detriment.

    The (slowly declining) support among normal Americans for immigration is premised on the theory that anyone with the gumption to make it here must be worth having, regardless of skills, culture, etc…

    There is something to that, but as Steve notes, it takes a lot less gumption than it used to.

  152. @Ivy
    Mad Magazine influenced many readers with its irreverent style, and spawned many Madchurian Candidates. Was Don Martin Jewish?

    The genius behind Mad was the son of Ukrainian Jews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Kurtzman

    https://jeffoverturf.blogspot.com/2011/05/shermlock-shomes-bill-elder-mad-mondays.html

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The genius behind Mad was the son of Ukrainian Jews.

    Russian Jews, just to be pedantic. Prior to 1918 Odessa was not in any meaningful way "Ukrainian", it was a cosmopolitan Russian imperial city. And most Jews from what is now Ukraine would probably have considered themselves "Polish Jews."

    There really aren't many "Ukrainian" Jews. Jews settled the area when it was ruled by Poles, and then got absorbed by the Russian or Austrian Empires. The ethnic Ukrainians always hated them, and since independence most Jews have left.
  153. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @AndrewR
    Natural selection.

    Japanese shyness is unnatural.

    The following is a repost of a comment I made in response to another comment on this article:

    http://www.unz.com/article/gangnam-and-minjok/

    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told. US felt the same way about Korean troops in the Vietnam War. Koreans are like dogs who do as told. They may have reasonable high IQ, but their culture is childlike, immature, brutish, and tarded. So, Koreans don’t have a culture of higher intellect and emotional control. So, Koreans, ever childlike, seek a master to follow and serve. So, US Koreans became useful tools of US empire, and Russian Koreans became loyal dogs of Soviet Communism.

    Agree with this completely, although I believe that east asians as a whole tend to show this trait. This is why I advocate multiculturalism for korea/east asia; not because its the “cool”, “trendy” thing to do, rather because korean/east asian people need to have their cultures sent through the crucible, korean/east asian people need to be exposed to the brutality, primitiveness, and in some cases superiority of other cultures in the world which will subsequently tear apart their fragile and artificially constructed world which allows their various social psychopathies to grow unhindered like mushrooms in the a dark room. Only when korean/east asian people are exposed to the rest of the world (in all its ugliness and beauty) and forced to deal with it will they begin to mature collectively. Unlike what you have proposed in your previous comments, more nationalism (IE insularity) is NOT what korea needs; intense insularity is the entire reason that koreans are childlike and emotionally immature. Were historically if east asia was in more intense and frequent contact with the rest of the world then they would have been forced to culturally evolve to become more worldly and sentient, instead of the highly intelligent children that they have evolved to be today. Fortunately the west through its heavy handed imperialism and cruelty disabused 19th century east asia of its navel gazing and illusions of grandeur and forced them to become tougher, more worldly and more realistic to deal with the menace of western imperialism; which is actually a process that is still underway today. In this globalizing world, each subsequent generation of east asian people (through exposure to global media, immigration, positive AND negative contact with foreigners, etc) will become more and more sharp, competent, socially savvy and aware and hopefully in time will be able to shed their cloistered, inexperienced and childlike mindset. A sharper, more sentient and socially competent populace will in turn be able to both project as well as defend its interests much more easily, as opposed to a quasi-autistic and socially untested population that east asia is currently composed of.

    In case I haven’t already made it clear enough, I will restate my views on multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is good for east asia in the same way that western imperialism was good for east asia; multiculuralism is good for east asia precisely because it is so bad. Asian people’s biggest weakness is complacency and a tendency to atrophy, ossify and look inwards; multiculturalism is perfect because it will pull asian people out of their comfort zones and force them to evolve as a culture (Masculinity is but one aspect of this, but asian culture as a whole needs to evolve, which in fact it has been since the 19th century, I only support an acceleration of this process). When I advocate multiculturalism in east asia, contrary to what some people here think, I am not talking about kumbaya, drum circles and rainbows; rather I am talking about the gauntlet, a crucible, and trial by fire.

    Some people here think that multiculturalism will grow legs in asia and get completely out of control; but I think many of these people saying this are projecting their own (white/western) psychology on the matter and may or may not be truly familiar with the psychology of asian people. The fact of the matter is, multiculturalism grew legs in the west precisely because westerners are liberal and openminded to begin with (yes im aware of the jewish involvement, but jews only capitalized on an existing tendency in the white psychology, they didnt create a pathology out of nowhere); asian people on the other hand are famously introverted, “conservative” and closeminded. While asian people may tolerate and even tepidly embrace multiculturalism for a while; once it begins to get out of hand they will reject it much much faster than westerners have.

    The fact of the matter is, there is a balance that needs to be struck in terms of preserving culture and changing it. As it currently stands, Japanese culture and east asian culture as a whole is completely dysfunctional in terms of its masculinity; IMO this is due to an overly patriarchal culture which discourages female sexuality, a highly estrogenic diet and finally dysgenic breeding trends that occurred as a result of an overly patriarchal culture*. Thus, this degree of shyness is simply not normal, and it is obviously not desirable either, otherwise japanese women themselves would not be running into the arms of (slightly more masculine) chinese romeos, let alone white and black guys. On that note, from what I have seen, many unz.com readers seem to have a kneejerk reaction against any kind of cultural change and believe that culture should remain static and unchanging until the end of time; however is this really a realistic or desirable notion? Furthermore I find it humorous that some commenters here think that Japan needs to stay closed off indefinitely to foreign males otherwise it will be overrun by horny and more masculine hordes. Well, last time Japan tried that trick they were forcibly opened up by Commodore Perry’s fleet. Its simply unrealistic to think that in a rapidly globalizing age that Japan could remain indefinitely closed off to foreigners; furthermore the future is completely unpredictable. Could Japan stay closed off to foreigners for the next 100 years? Yes, I think that’s somewhat feasible, but what about the next 200 years? 300 years? 500 years into the future? Given the hectic pace at which the world is changing, its completely impossible to make any accurate predictions about the future. This is why I think that the most prudent and reliable thing for east asia to do is to start building up its cultural and racial resiliency right now through exposing itself to foreigners and foreign culture which will have the indirect effect of destabilizing obsolete elements in east asian culture and forcing it to adapt to new norms as opposed to trying to isolate itself in the hopes that the globalist tide will somehow miss it within the unforeseen future (fat chance).

    *In east asia males have historically dominated mate selection; predictably east asian males will almost consistently select for petite, gracile, mild mannered women. Unfortunately, such women will also birth petite, gracile and mild mannered sons. Even in the case of an arranged marriage where the mom will have a say so in the prospective husband, an older post menopausal woman will most likely choose the safe and secure option for her daughter as opposed to a strapping, masculine, young man. That being said, when it comes to direct female mate selection, women will typically select for providers and material security over physical traits in a mate, however… if material security is accounted for (the norm in a 1st world nation) then women will typically revert to their true nature which is selecting for sexually dimorphic masculine traits, both psychological as well as physiological. Don’t believe me? Just look at subsaharan africans, a combination of abundant material resources and a matriarchal leaning society (hence greater female sexual freedom) seemed to have a pro-masculine eugenic effect for black people, I think it could do the same for asian people. By adopting such cultural trends it would go a long way in terms of balancing the asian race in terms of sexuality and intellect.

    • Replies: @Marcus

    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told.
     
    Koreans prove you are what you eat
  154. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "Even if 99% of the countries in the world would have a african majority population antiracists would still freak out about that one percent left without african majority."

    The Left would complain about the underclass Black and Brown majority being ruled over by the Asian and White upperclass and upper middle class minority.

    No.

    Modern leftism is really anti-whiteism by another name.
    Once whites effectively disappear, the left – and the ‘struggle’ for ‘racial equality’ will disappear too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Also, feminism would have gained absolutely no traction whatsoever with any ethnicity around the world other than whites.

    Emphatically 'female equality' will not survive a post-white world.
    , @Jefferson
    Once whites effectively disappear, the left – and the ‘struggle’ for ‘racial equality’ will disappear too."

    As long as millionaires and billionaires continue to exist Whites will never disappear. What do you think in the future the elites will all racially look like Marc Lamont Hill?

  155. @anony-mouse
    Japan has a lot of old people so of course it has fewer people who can learn a second language. Having lots of old people and few young people is apparently good for keeping one's culture but at the cost of perhaps not having a culture or anything else eventually.

    Whereas as replacing your population with vibrant strangers has no downsides at all!

  156. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    No.

    Modern leftism is really anti-whiteism by another name.
    Once whites effectively disappear, the left - and the 'struggle' for 'racial equality' will disappear too.

    Also, feminism would have gained absolutely no traction whatsoever with any ethnicity around the world other than whites.

    Emphatically ‘female equality’ will not survive a post-white world.

  157. @Bob123
    Brazilian Japanese immigration to Japan has not gone all that well.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/global/23immigrant.html?mtrref=undefined&gwh=788BADDAF947A60AF00A1F90E47C2226&gwt=pay

    Naturally, we don’t want those same people back in Japan after a couple of months,” Mr. Kawasaki said. “Japanese taxpayers would ask, ‘What kind of ridiculous policy is this?’”

    Would that American taxpayers had half as much sense about invaders….

  158. @Bob123
    Brazilian Japanese immigration to Japan has not gone all that well.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/global/23immigrant.html?mtrref=undefined&gwh=788BADDAF947A60AF00A1F90E47C2226&gwt=pay

    “We should stop letting unskilled laborers into Japan. We should make sure that even the three-K jobs [hard,dirty, dangerous] are paid well, and that they are filled by Japanese,” he said. “I do not think that Japan should ever become a multiethnic society.”

    He said the United States had been “a failure on the immigration front,” and cited extreme income inequalities between rich Americans and poor immigrants.

    Nazi

  159. @Anonymous
    "Britons 'should learn Polish, Punjabi and Urdu to boost social cohesion'

    Learning community languages would aid integration, boost people’s wellbeing and be good for economy, says Cambridge academic"

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jan/18/britons-should-learn-polish-punjabi-and-urdu-to-boost-social-cohesion

    It makes sense that that Cambridge academic teaches French, one of the few languages an English speaker might be motivated to learn for reasons other than intellectual curiosity (simply because the French often refuse to speak English). It is very hard to learn Polish, Punjab or Urdu in their native countries because most of the people a typical foreigner will want to interact with already speak English. I know a lot of Americans and Brits who have lived and worked in Poland often for decades, and surprisingly few of them speak Polish fluently, almost none have achieved native speaker fluency. Unless you want to hang out with old people, very young children, farmers or lower working class rowdies, you have to make a real effort to use Polish socially, because it is very easy to get frustrated and switch to English. I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison. I assume in Pakistan or India the situation is even worse since many Subcontinentals consider it an insult to have a white person try to speak Urdu or Hindi at them, it implies you think their English is no good.

    Yes, immigrants probably will welcome the attentions of native 22 year old girls trying to “integrate” them, but otherwise the idea of condescending British liberals trying to speak “community languages” is a farce.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison
     
    Nah, I knew a guy who learned Polish quickly after marrying a Polish girl. Probably the quickest way to socially learn a language seems to be immersion in the country and having to use it at home life.
  160. @Desiderius
    The genius behind Mad was the son of Ukrainian Jews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Kurtzman

    https://jeffoverturf.blogspot.com/2011/05/shermlock-shomes-bill-elder-mad-mondays.html

    The genius behind Mad was the son of Ukrainian Jews.

    Russian Jews, just to be pedantic. Prior to 1918 Odessa was not in any meaningful way “Ukrainian”, it was a cosmopolitan Russian imperial city. And most Jews from what is now Ukraine would probably have considered themselves “Polish Jews.”

    There really aren’t many “Ukrainian” Jews. Jews settled the area when it was ruled by Poles, and then got absorbed by the Russian or Austrian Empires. The ethnic Ukrainians always hated them, and since independence most Jews have left.

  161. @Jefferson
    "I’ve seen a couple of comments that suggested that the average Japanese thinks America is 50% black."

    Most East Asians are Hip Hop and NBA junkies, so I am surprised they think America is only 50 percent Black. That figure is way too low.

    No, we’re not Hip Hop or NBA junkies – weird idea – but I do agree my parents had that idea simply by watching American media. By black representation in average, one would think that the US is at least 30% black.

  162. @Simon in London
    Interesting that the German public broadcaster sees ruining Japan as a priority. Presumably this is because Japan is a functional country and so honorary-Western. I don't think they care about ruining already-dysfunctional Third World countries with immigration from even worse countries. The important thing seems to be that no one on Earth should be allowed to do well, that there be no positive model.

    DW (Deutsche Welle) is one of the very worst, most poisonous, of the “mainstream media” outlets in the West – and has been so for decades.

  163. @Anonymous
    The old American saying is, I believe, 'misery loves company'.

    It's really all down to petty spite and envy. Because the Germans have ruined their own nation, and see a successful homogenous nation, they wish to destroy it to make themselves feel better in a thoroughly evil sort of way.

    Exactly! Toxic stupidity, petty nastiness, and utter immorality, all combined into one.

  164. @anon
    The following is a repost of a comment I made in response to another comment on this article:

    http://www.unz.com/article/gangnam-and-minjok/



    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told. US felt the same way about Korean troops in the Vietnam War. Koreans are like dogs who do as told. They may have reasonable high IQ, but their culture is childlike, immature, brutish, and tarded. So, Koreans don’t have a culture of higher intellect and emotional control. So, Koreans, ever childlike, seek a master to follow and serve. So, US Koreans became useful tools of US empire, and Russian Koreans became loyal dogs of Soviet Communism.
     
    Agree with this completely, although I believe that east asians as a whole tend to show this trait. This is why I advocate multiculturalism for korea/east asia; not because its the “cool”, “trendy” thing to do, rather because korean/east asian people need to have their cultures sent through the crucible, korean/east asian people need to be exposed to the brutality, primitiveness, and in some cases superiority of other cultures in the world which will subsequently tear apart their fragile and artificially constructed world which allows their various social psychopathies to grow unhindered like mushrooms in the a dark room. Only when korean/east asian people are exposed to the rest of the world (in all its ugliness and beauty) and forced to deal with it will they begin to mature collectively. Unlike what you have proposed in your previous comments, more nationalism (IE insularity) is NOT what korea needs; intense insularity is the entire reason that koreans are childlike and emotionally immature. Were historically if east asia was in more intense and frequent contact with the rest of the world then they would have been forced to culturally evolve to become more worldly and sentient, instead of the highly intelligent children that they have evolved to be today. Fortunately the west through its heavy handed imperialism and cruelty disabused 19th century east asia of its navel gazing and illusions of grandeur and forced them to become tougher, more worldly and more realistic to deal with the menace of western imperialism; which is actually a process that is still underway today. In this globalizing world, each subsequent generation of east asian people (through exposure to global media, immigration, positive AND negative contact with foreigners, etc) will become more and more sharp, competent, socially savvy and aware and hopefully in time will be able to shed their cloistered, inexperienced and childlike mindset. A sharper, more sentient and socially competent populace will in turn be able to both project as well as defend its interests much more easily, as opposed to a quasi-autistic and socially untested population that east asia is currently composed of.

    In case I haven’t already made it clear enough, I will restate my views on multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is good for east asia in the same way that western imperialism was good for east asia; multiculuralism is good for east asia precisely because it is so bad. Asian people’s biggest weakness is complacency and a tendency to atrophy, ossify and look inwards; multiculturalism is perfect because it will pull asian people out of their comfort zones and force them to evolve as a culture (Masculinity is but one aspect of this, but asian culture as a whole needs to evolve, which in fact it has been since the 19th century, I only support an acceleration of this process). When I advocate multiculturalism in east asia, contrary to what some people here think, I am not talking about kumbaya, drum circles and rainbows; rather I am talking about the gauntlet, a crucible, and trial by fire.

    Some people here think that multiculturalism will grow legs in asia and get completely out of control; but I think many of these people saying this are projecting their own (white/western) psychology on the matter and may or may not be truly familiar with the psychology of asian people. The fact of the matter is, multiculturalism grew legs in the west precisely because westerners are liberal and openminded to begin with (yes im aware of the jewish involvement, but jews only capitalized on an existing tendency in the white psychology, they didnt create a pathology out of nowhere); asian people on the other hand are famously introverted, “conservative” and closeminded. While asian people may tolerate and even tepidly embrace multiculturalism for a while; once it begins to get out of hand they will reject it much much faster than westerners have.
     

    The fact of the matter is, there is a balance that needs to be struck in terms of preserving culture and changing it. As it currently stands, Japanese culture and east asian culture as a whole is completely dysfunctional in terms of its masculinity; IMO this is due to an overly patriarchal culture which discourages female sexuality, a highly estrogenic diet and finally dysgenic breeding trends that occurred as a result of an overly patriarchal culture*. Thus, this degree of shyness is simply not normal, and it is obviously not desirable either, otherwise japanese women themselves would not be running into the arms of (slightly more masculine) chinese romeos, let alone white and black guys. On that note, from what I have seen, many unz.com readers seem to have a kneejerk reaction against any kind of cultural change and believe that culture should remain static and unchanging until the end of time; however is this really a realistic or desirable notion? Furthermore I find it humorous that some commenters here think that Japan needs to stay closed off indefinitely to foreign males otherwise it will be overrun by horny and more masculine hordes. Well, last time Japan tried that trick they were forcibly opened up by Commodore Perry's fleet. Its simply unrealistic to think that in a rapidly globalizing age that Japan could remain indefinitely closed off to foreigners; furthermore the future is completely unpredictable. Could Japan stay closed off to foreigners for the next 100 years? Yes, I think that's somewhat feasible, but what about the next 200 years? 300 years? 500 years into the future? Given the hectic pace at which the world is changing, its completely impossible to make any accurate predictions about the future. This is why I think that the most prudent and reliable thing for east asia to do is to start building up its cultural and racial resiliency right now through exposing itself to foreigners and foreign culture which will have the indirect effect of destabilizing obsolete elements in east asian culture and forcing it to adapt to new norms as opposed to trying to isolate itself in the hopes that the globalist tide will somehow miss it within the unforeseen future (fat chance).

    *In east asia males have historically dominated mate selection; predictably east asian males will almost consistently select for petite, gracile, mild mannered women. Unfortunately, such women will also birth petite, gracile and mild mannered sons. Even in the case of an arranged marriage where the mom will have a say so in the prospective husband, an older post menopausal woman will most likely choose the safe and secure option for her daughter as opposed to a strapping, masculine, young man. That being said, when it comes to direct female mate selection, women will typically select for providers and material security over physical traits in a mate, however... if material security is accounted for (the norm in a 1st world nation) then women will typically revert to their true nature which is selecting for sexually dimorphic masculine traits, both psychological as well as physiological. Don't believe me? Just look at subsaharan africans, a combination of abundant material resources and a matriarchal leaning society (hence greater female sexual freedom) seemed to have a pro-masculine eugenic effect for black people, I think it could do the same for asian people. By adopting such cultural trends it would go a long way in terms of balancing the asian race in terms of sexuality and intellect.

    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told.

    Koreans prove you are what you eat

    • Replies: @anon
    lol good one. In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males. This is especially so when you consider soy exposure in terms of three different angles:

    1.Pregnant mother regularly or semi-regularly consuming soy products thus potentially artificially elevating estrogen levels in the womb; subsequently permanently affecting the proper endocrine development of male offspring.

    2.The ingestion of soy products during puberty, which would also (permanently) negatively affect the proper hormonal development of a male. (would you accept regular estrogen injections for a male son going through puberty? Of course not, so why would you feed him tofu/soy/etc?)

    3.The lifetime consumption of soy products as a whole, which would have a continual depressive effect on testosterone levels.

    Additionally in my opinion, not only do soy products have a negative impact on physiological masculinity, but also i suspect that soy products have a negative effect on cognition in general, and that goes for both genders. Asian people are notorious for being book smart but lacking common sense; in my opinion this could be a genetic quirk, but also it could be due to regular consumption of soy products. Regarding the negative impact of consuming soy products; the studies about it report mixed results, but from what I have seen, the general consensus is that soy products are bad for the brain. If this is the case then it would explain why many east asian people seem to be so spacey and lack the mental acuity and sharpness that you typically see in non-asian populations. This is just my pet theory, but I think there is definitely something to it.

    Finally in terms of dietary matters, I think that soy products are the primary culprit for the incomplete physiological and psychological development of east asian people however I suspect that there may be other staples or food products as well which are contributing to this trend. One idea is that white rice lowers DHT (a crucial masculine hormone), green tea is also shown to reduce 5 alpha reductase which is required to produce DHT, another culprit could be any of the myriad unique vegetables that are consumed in asia; some of which could contain lots of phytoestrogens that impede normal hormonal development. Regardless, in my opinion the dietary habits of east asians are long overdue for a complete overhaul. Unlikely I know, but I hope that some day asians will become more literate on this topic.

  165. @Dumbo
    Yep. And liberated women just go for the more aggressive guys, no second thoughts or remorse about their ethnically closer (ex-)partners.

    I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time. The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can't, for Blackey.

    Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice.

    “I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time.”

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

    “The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can’t, for Blackey.”

    Maybe.

    “Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice.”

    No, feminism is not “really the culprit”.

    A large number of factors behind the marriage decline in Japan have been cited. A summary of the past arguments is that “there is a complicated mixture of factors behind the phenomenon.” But huge social forces are required to continuously push up the never-married rate for the entire society. This means that there are major and minor factors behind the falling marriage rate. In fact, an event history analysis using the data from National Family Research of Japan found two major causes. One is the expansion of disparities between social classes accompanying the decline in Japan’s macroeconomic performance. Economic growth can ease this trend that causes disparities in marriage opportunities. The easing effect has declined with an economic growth slowdown since the mid-1970s, reviving the potential impact of social inequality to discourage men from getting married. As the marriage rate for men in lower social classes falls, the population size of economically marriageable men has gradually decreased. A squeeze of marriage partners for women emerged, leading to a general decline in the marriage rate. Another factor causing the marriage decline is the decay of the community-based marriage system due to the diffusion of individualism ideology. The community-based match-making system, including meetings and dates arranged or semi-arranged by families, relatives, local communities, and workplaces, can strongly promote marriage for both men and women. The modern nuclear family (love marriage and conjugal family) ideology, however, was introduced into Japan in the high economic growth period and publicized as a more radical ideology of self-choice, self-determination, and self-responsibility in the 1990s after the burst of economic bubbles, replacing the community-based marriage system. For women faced with a shortage of economically competent men, the decay of the community-based marriage system has meant a further increase in the costs and difficulties of searching for marriage partners. This is the reason the marriage rate for women fell quickly in the 1990s.

    https://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/projects_publications/publications_1904/journal_articles/two_major_factors_behind_the_marriage_decline_in_japan_the_deterioration_in_macroeconomic_4224.htm

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    “I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time.”

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

     

    Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal.


    No, feminism is not “really the culprit”.

     

    As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself. What else do you think might have been a driver for an individualistic perspective with an eye on romantic love as opposed to community based forms of matchmaking? Sheesh.

    Thank you, for our regular daily dose of liberal stupidity.

    , @anon
    No big deal?

    I very much beg to differ.

    A historical phenomenon? Only in some deluded white countries. And the historical consequences are only just beginning to play out sport.
  166. @AndrewR
    Natural selection.

    Japanese shyness is unnatural.

    “Japanese shyness is unnatural.”

    Unnatural to those who are extroverts. Biology, culture, and relationship history all play off of one another. Shyness exists universally, although it is not defined or experienced the same way from society to society. Psychologist Phil Zimbardo’s earliest surveys hinted at cultural differences in shyness: Japanese and Taiwanese students consistently expressed the highest level of shyness, Jewish students the lowest.

  167. @Corvinus
    "I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time."

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

    "The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can’t, for Blackey."

    Maybe.

    "Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice."

    No, feminism is not "really the culprit".

    A large number of factors behind the marriage decline in Japan have been cited. A summary of the past arguments is that "there is a complicated mixture of factors behind the phenomenon." But huge social forces are required to continuously push up the never-married rate for the entire society. This means that there are major and minor factors behind the falling marriage rate. In fact, an event history analysis using the data from National Family Research of Japan found two major causes. One is the expansion of disparities between social classes accompanying the decline in Japan's macroeconomic performance. Economic growth can ease this trend that causes disparities in marriage opportunities. The easing effect has declined with an economic growth slowdown since the mid-1970s, reviving the potential impact of social inequality to discourage men from getting married. As the marriage rate for men in lower social classes falls, the population size of economically marriageable men has gradually decreased. A squeeze of marriage partners for women emerged, leading to a general decline in the marriage rate. Another factor causing the marriage decline is the decay of the community-based marriage system due to the diffusion of individualism ideology. The community-based match-making system, including meetings and dates arranged or semi-arranged by families, relatives, local communities, and workplaces, can strongly promote marriage for both men and women. The modern nuclear family (love marriage and conjugal family) ideology, however, was introduced into Japan in the high economic growth period and publicized as a more radical ideology of self-choice, self-determination, and self-responsibility in the 1990s after the burst of economic bubbles, replacing the community-based marriage system. For women faced with a shortage of economically competent men, the decay of the community-based marriage system has meant a further increase in the costs and difficulties of searching for marriage partners. This is the reason the marriage rate for women fell quickly in the 1990s.

    https://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/projects_publications/publications_1904/journal_articles/two_major_factors_behind_the_marriage_decline_in_japan_the_deterioration_in_macroeconomic_4224.htm

    “I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time.”

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

    Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal.

    No, feminism is not “really the culprit”.

    As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself. What else do you think might have been a driver for an individualistic perspective with an eye on romantic love as opposed to community based forms of matchmaking? Sheesh.

    Thank you, for our regular daily dose of liberal stupidity.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal."

    Your analogy is based on a false equivalence. Cancer is deadly in and of itself when left untreated. It invades the host without permission. It is other than reasonable. A person afflicted with cancer will seek treatment. The mixing of racial and ethnic groups is by the designs of those individuals involved. It is a conscious and rational decision.

    "As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself."

    Refute the source I provided rather than bloviate.
  168. @Peter Akuleyev
    It makes sense that that Cambridge academic teaches French, one of the few languages an English speaker might be motivated to learn for reasons other than intellectual curiosity (simply because the French often refuse to speak English). It is very hard to learn Polish, Punjab or Urdu in their native countries because most of the people a typical foreigner will want to interact with already speak English. I know a lot of Americans and Brits who have lived and worked in Poland often for decades, and surprisingly few of them speak Polish fluently, almost none have achieved native speaker fluency. Unless you want to hang out with old people, very young children, farmers or lower working class rowdies, you have to make a real effort to use Polish socially, because it is very easy to get frustrated and switch to English. I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison. I assume in Pakistan or India the situation is even worse since many Subcontinentals consider it an insult to have a white person try to speak Urdu or Hindi at them, it implies you think their English is no good.

    Yes, immigrants probably will welcome the attentions of native 22 year old girls trying to "integrate" them, but otherwise the idea of condescending British liberals trying to speak "community languages" is a farce.

    I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison

    Nah, I knew a guy who learned Polish quickly after marrying a Polish girl. Probably the quickest way to socially learn a language seems to be immersion in the country and having to use it at home life.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Watch a lot of movies or TV in the target language (that is, if you don't want to invest in a Polish wife.) That will also help with perhaps the hardest skill, listening comprehension. Then you will find yourself absently talking to yourself in the target language.

    Of course it's more complicated than that but I would recommend it as a strategy and it's easy to fulfill in the internet age.
  169. @Anonymous
    No.

    Modern leftism is really anti-whiteism by another name.
    Once whites effectively disappear, the left - and the 'struggle' for 'racial equality' will disappear too.

    Once whites effectively disappear, the left – and the ‘struggle’ for ‘racial equality’ will disappear too.”

    As long as millionaires and billionaires continue to exist Whites will never disappear. What do you think in the future the elites will all racially look like Marc Lamont Hill?

  170. @Daniel Chieh

    I suspect the best way to learn Polish by immersion would be to get thrown in a Polish prison
     
    Nah, I knew a guy who learned Polish quickly after marrying a Polish girl. Probably the quickest way to socially learn a language seems to be immersion in the country and having to use it at home life.

    Watch a lot of movies or TV in the target language (that is, if you don’t want to invest in a Polish wife.) That will also help with perhaps the hardest skill, listening comprehension. Then you will find yourself absently talking to yourself in the target language.

    Of course it’s more complicated than that but I would recommend it as a strategy and it’s easy to fulfill in the internet age.

  171. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Marcus

    Also, Koreans in Russia proved to be loyal, docile, obedient, and capable. They were useful as dogs who did as told.
     
    Koreans prove you are what you eat

    lol good one. In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males. This is especially so when you consider soy exposure in terms of three different angles:

    1.Pregnant mother regularly or semi-regularly consuming soy products thus potentially artificially elevating estrogen levels in the womb; subsequently permanently affecting the proper endocrine development of male offspring.

    2.The ingestion of soy products during puberty, which would also (permanently) negatively affect the proper hormonal development of a male. (would you accept regular estrogen injections for a male son going through puberty? Of course not, so why would you feed him tofu/soy/etc?)

    3.The lifetime consumption of soy products as a whole, which would have a continual depressive effect on testosterone levels.

    Additionally in my opinion, not only do soy products have a negative impact on physiological masculinity, but also i suspect that soy products have a negative effect on cognition in general, and that goes for both genders. Asian people are notorious for being book smart but lacking common sense; in my opinion this could be a genetic quirk, but also it could be due to regular consumption of soy products. Regarding the negative impact of consuming soy products; the studies about it report mixed results, but from what I have seen, the general consensus is that soy products are bad for the brain. If this is the case then it would explain why many east asian people seem to be so spacey and lack the mental acuity and sharpness that you typically see in non-asian populations. This is just my pet theory, but I think there is definitely something to it.

    Finally in terms of dietary matters, I think that soy products are the primary culprit for the incomplete physiological and psychological development of east asian people however I suspect that there may be other staples or food products as well which are contributing to this trend. One idea is that white rice lowers DHT (a crucial masculine hormone), green tea is also shown to reduce 5 alpha reductase which is required to produce DHT, another culprit could be any of the myriad unique vegetables that are consumed in asia; some of which could contain lots of phytoestrogens that impede normal hormonal development. Regardless, in my opinion the dietary habits of east asians are long overdue for a complete overhaul. Unlikely I know, but I hope that some day asians will become more literate on this topic.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males."

    Asians eat more meat and less soy than in the past. They are taller. So, why are they wussier than ever?

    1. Pop culture that promotes cutesty pansy kiddie stuff. Look at Japan's kawaii culture. Hello Kitty?

    2. Western-trained homos took over pop styles in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea. So, they tailor boys to be like yellow Michael Jacksons and Princes.

    3. Low birthrates means most kids grow up in one child families. So, they are pampered and controlled more. When there are more kids in the house, there is more competition. Also, fewer kids means fewer aunts, uncles, and cousins. So, the only cultural connection kids have is to TV and celebrity stuff controlled by globo-homos.

    4. Imitation of western Europe, esp Germany and Scandinavian nations, where everything is overlly-controlled. School environment emphasizes order and conformity. Asian societies had such ideal in the past, but poverty, war, and lack of infrastructure made for more agency.

    It seems odd. In some ways, it seems there is more individual freedom now than in the past that was more restrictive and traditional. But today's concept of individuality is much more defined by the System that has its tentacles into every locality.
    Also, the culture of sensitivity has everyone walking on eggshells lest he or she offend someone.
    This is spreading all over. Someone like Mike Royko would be banned by journalism today.

    Japanese males were more malnourished in the past, but they were tougher. Compare the Japanese in films of the 50s and 60s to the Japanese in today's films. A bunch of herbivore pansy flower boys. One look at K-pop and Korean boys seem worse.

    Asians eat more meat than ever and grown taller. But the culture castrates them and stunts them with kiddie sensibility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

    But then, did you look at the GOP lineup except for Trump? Pansies. Even tall Jeb acted like a turtle without a shell. And the white guys in the Democratic party. Ewwww.

    Trump, he's a 'shaggy man' like Yojimbo.
    Finally someone who acts like a man and took on both sides.

    http://www.cinescene.com/dash/kael.htm

  172. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time."

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

    "The women will all go for Whitey, and those who can’t, for Blackey."

    Maybe.

    "Part of the reason for this problem is that marriages were arranged by families for centuries in Japan, even until the 50s, so Japanese men are not so used to competing for women. Feminism here is really the culprit. In traditional societies, women simply would not have the choice."

    No, feminism is not "really the culprit".

    A large number of factors behind the marriage decline in Japan have been cited. A summary of the past arguments is that "there is a complicated mixture of factors behind the phenomenon." But huge social forces are required to continuously push up the never-married rate for the entire society. This means that there are major and minor factors behind the falling marriage rate. In fact, an event history analysis using the data from National Family Research of Japan found two major causes. One is the expansion of disparities between social classes accompanying the decline in Japan's macroeconomic performance. Economic growth can ease this trend that causes disparities in marriage opportunities. The easing effect has declined with an economic growth slowdown since the mid-1970s, reviving the potential impact of social inequality to discourage men from getting married. As the marriage rate for men in lower social classes falls, the population size of economically marriageable men has gradually decreased. A squeeze of marriage partners for women emerged, leading to a general decline in the marriage rate. Another factor causing the marriage decline is the decay of the community-based marriage system due to the diffusion of individualism ideology. The community-based match-making system, including meetings and dates arranged or semi-arranged by families, relatives, local communities, and workplaces, can strongly promote marriage for both men and women. The modern nuclear family (love marriage and conjugal family) ideology, however, was introduced into Japan in the high economic growth period and publicized as a more radical ideology of self-choice, self-determination, and self-responsibility in the 1990s after the burst of economic bubbles, replacing the community-based marriage system. For women faced with a shortage of economically competent men, the decay of the community-based marriage system has meant a further increase in the costs and difficulties of searching for marriage partners. This is the reason the marriage rate for women fell quickly in the 1990s.

    https://www.demogr.mpg.de/en/projects_publications/publications_1904/journal_articles/two_major_factors_behind_the_marriage_decline_in_japan_the_deterioration_in_macroeconomic_4224.htm

    No big deal?

    I very much beg to differ.

    A historical phenomenon? Only in some deluded white countries. And the historical consequences are only just beginning to play out sport.

  173. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    lol good one. In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males. This is especially so when you consider soy exposure in terms of three different angles:

    1.Pregnant mother regularly or semi-regularly consuming soy products thus potentially artificially elevating estrogen levels in the womb; subsequently permanently affecting the proper endocrine development of male offspring.

    2.The ingestion of soy products during puberty, which would also (permanently) negatively affect the proper hormonal development of a male. (would you accept regular estrogen injections for a male son going through puberty? Of course not, so why would you feed him tofu/soy/etc?)

    3.The lifetime consumption of soy products as a whole, which would have a continual depressive effect on testosterone levels.

    Additionally in my opinion, not only do soy products have a negative impact on physiological masculinity, but also i suspect that soy products have a negative effect on cognition in general, and that goes for both genders. Asian people are notorious for being book smart but lacking common sense; in my opinion this could be a genetic quirk, but also it could be due to regular consumption of soy products. Regarding the negative impact of consuming soy products; the studies about it report mixed results, but from what I have seen, the general consensus is that soy products are bad for the brain. If this is the case then it would explain why many east asian people seem to be so spacey and lack the mental acuity and sharpness that you typically see in non-asian populations. This is just my pet theory, but I think there is definitely something to it.

    Finally in terms of dietary matters, I think that soy products are the primary culprit for the incomplete physiological and psychological development of east asian people however I suspect that there may be other staples or food products as well which are contributing to this trend. One idea is that white rice lowers DHT (a crucial masculine hormone), green tea is also shown to reduce 5 alpha reductase which is required to produce DHT, another culprit could be any of the myriad unique vegetables that are consumed in asia; some of which could contain lots of phytoestrogens that impede normal hormonal development. Regardless, in my opinion the dietary habits of east asians are long overdue for a complete overhaul. Unlikely I know, but I hope that some day asians will become more literate on this topic.

    “In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males.”

    Asians eat more meat and less soy than in the past. They are taller. So, why are they wussier than ever?

    1. Pop culture that promotes cutesty pansy kiddie stuff. Look at Japan’s kawaii culture. Hello Kitty?

    2. Western-trained homos took over pop styles in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea. So, they tailor boys to be like yellow Michael Jacksons and Princes.

    3. Low birthrates means most kids grow up in one child families. So, they are pampered and controlled more. When there are more kids in the house, there is more competition. Also, fewer kids means fewer aunts, uncles, and cousins. So, the only cultural connection kids have is to TV and celebrity stuff controlled by globo-homos.

    4. Imitation of western Europe, esp Germany and Scandinavian nations, where everything is overlly-controlled. School environment emphasizes order and conformity. Asian societies had such ideal in the past, but poverty, war, and lack of infrastructure made for more agency.

    It seems odd. In some ways, it seems there is more individual freedom now than in the past that was more restrictive and traditional. But today’s concept of individuality is much more defined by the System that has its tentacles into every locality.
    Also, the culture of sensitivity has everyone walking on eggshells lest he or she offend someone.
    This is spreading all over. Someone like Mike Royko would be banned by journalism today.

    Japanese males were more malnourished in the past, but they were tougher. Compare the Japanese in films of the 50s and 60s to the Japanese in today’s films. A bunch of herbivore pansy flower boys. One look at K-pop and Korean boys seem worse.

    Asians eat more meat than ever and grown taller. But the culture castrates them and stunts them with kiddie sensibility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

    But then, did you look at the GOP lineup except for Trump? Pansies. Even tall Jeb acted like a turtle without a shell. And the white guys in the Democratic party. Ewwww.

    Trump, he’s a ‘shaggy man’ like Yojimbo.
    Finally someone who acts like a man and took on both sides.

    http://www.cinescene.com/dash/kael.htm

    • Replies: @anon

    In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males.”

     

    Nowhere in my comment did I write that the east asian diet is the only cause of femininity in east asian culture. I merely think that it is a major component of this; culture too matters of course. You act like just because you believe asian MSM is feminizing asian culture that dietary factors cannot be the culprit. Obviously this is a huge logical fallacy, the belief that just because A is true, B cannot be true. In actuality, A and B are probably simultaneously true in this case. Here is what I think of your points:

    1.The wussification that we see in contemporary asian pop culture did not materialize out of nowhere; it wasn't just grafted on to east asian culture, rather it has cultural precedents in more traditional asian culture which combined with modern culture which in turn led to a society that is more amenable to "wussy" things. From my (limited) exposure to early 20th century japanese literature, it appears as though japan had some insecurities relating to its masculinity/sexuality which predates the age of pop culture. Basically, japanese culture (and east asian culture overall) have always a quasi feminine/quasi effete, soft side to it. In my opinion this is the genesis of the "wussy" pop culture that we see today. Furthermore, I find your attempt at trying to use Toshiro Mifune as being representative of traditional japanese masculinity foolish. Do you really think that the movie characters played by toshiro mifune are factually representative of traditional japanese ideals of manliness? really? More importantly, many japanese adults in the 50s and 60s came of age during the war years. Of course growing up in a war time (and subsequent occupation) environment is going to mentally and culturally toughen you. This mental and culture toughness is "masculine", but it has nothing to do with physiological masculinity brought on by dietary factors. You are conflating factors as usual.

    2.East asian pop culture is wussy by global standards, but by asian people's own standards they probably don't see it that way. The wussiness of asian pop culture as subjectively perceived by foreigners can hardly be used as an accurate measuring stick of the true physiological masculinity of the asian race.

    3.Do not conflate increased height with increased masculinity/increased testosterone. Im not entirely convinced that the increased height is due to the consumption of meat alone. More likely the increased height of present generations of asian people is due to generally improved nutrition and the fact that prior generations in asia were probably borderline malnourished. However just because the current generation of asians are well nourished and tall doesn't cancel out the fact that they are destroying their masculinity through exposure to soy products. This is the same thing that is happening in the west; the current generation of westerners are pretty tall, however according to all the reports that I have read, the testosterone levels of current generations have been plummeting due to exposure to xenoestrogens and also soy derivatives put into the food supply. Thus increased height appears to be a poor proxy for physiological masculinity.

    4.You vastly underrate the agency of east asian people. They don't completely copy everything the west does, especially in terms of sensitivity and political correctness. They do have their indigenous thoughts and ways of doing things and are not completely influenced by the "globo-homo" media. Much of east asians perceived wussiness and femininity is actually just the lack of masculinity which in turn is completely homegrown, its not something that they are picking up from the aether or being brainwashed to do from foreign media.

    5.Dont get started with this trump stuff. Yeah trump is "manly" and all about bluster and confidence, but that's the point. He was marketed like that in order to appeal to disenfranchised males such as yourself. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's the real deal. What trump is truly about is fully transparent to anybody who is actually paying attention.
  174. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    "In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males."

    Asians eat more meat and less soy than in the past. They are taller. So, why are they wussier than ever?

    1. Pop culture that promotes cutesty pansy kiddie stuff. Look at Japan's kawaii culture. Hello Kitty?

    2. Western-trained homos took over pop styles in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea. So, they tailor boys to be like yellow Michael Jacksons and Princes.

    3. Low birthrates means most kids grow up in one child families. So, they are pampered and controlled more. When there are more kids in the house, there is more competition. Also, fewer kids means fewer aunts, uncles, and cousins. So, the only cultural connection kids have is to TV and celebrity stuff controlled by globo-homos.

    4. Imitation of western Europe, esp Germany and Scandinavian nations, where everything is overlly-controlled. School environment emphasizes order and conformity. Asian societies had such ideal in the past, but poverty, war, and lack of infrastructure made for more agency.

    It seems odd. In some ways, it seems there is more individual freedom now than in the past that was more restrictive and traditional. But today's concept of individuality is much more defined by the System that has its tentacles into every locality.
    Also, the culture of sensitivity has everyone walking on eggshells lest he or she offend someone.
    This is spreading all over. Someone like Mike Royko would be banned by journalism today.

    Japanese males were more malnourished in the past, but they were tougher. Compare the Japanese in films of the 50s and 60s to the Japanese in today's films. A bunch of herbivore pansy flower boys. One look at K-pop and Korean boys seem worse.

    Asians eat more meat than ever and grown taller. But the culture castrates them and stunts them with kiddie sensibility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

    But then, did you look at the GOP lineup except for Trump? Pansies. Even tall Jeb acted like a turtle without a shell. And the white guys in the Democratic party. Ewwww.

    Trump, he's a 'shaggy man' like Yojimbo.
    Finally someone who acts like a man and took on both sides.

    http://www.cinescene.com/dash/kael.htm

    In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males.”

    Nowhere in my comment did I write that the east asian diet is the only cause of femininity in east asian culture. I merely think that it is a major component of this; culture too matters of course. You act like just because you believe asian MSM is feminizing asian culture that dietary factors cannot be the culprit. Obviously this is a huge logical fallacy, the belief that just because A is true, B cannot be true. In actuality, A and B are probably simultaneously true in this case. Here is what I think of your points:

    1.The wussification that we see in contemporary asian pop culture did not materialize out of nowhere; it wasn’t just grafted on to east asian culture, rather it has cultural precedents in more traditional asian culture which combined with modern culture which in turn led to a society that is more amenable to “wussy” things. From my (limited) exposure to early 20th century japanese literature, it appears as though japan had some insecurities relating to its masculinity/sexuality which predates the age of pop culture. Basically, japanese culture (and east asian culture overall) have always a quasi feminine/quasi effete, soft side to it. In my opinion this is the genesis of the “wussy” pop culture that we see today. Furthermore, I find your attempt at trying to use Toshiro Mifune as being representative of traditional japanese masculinity foolish. Do you really think that the movie characters played by toshiro mifune are factually representative of traditional japanese ideals of manliness? really? More importantly, many japanese adults in the 50s and 60s came of age during the war years. Of course growing up in a war time (and subsequent occupation) environment is going to mentally and culturally toughen you. This mental and culture toughness is “masculine”, but it has nothing to do with physiological masculinity brought on by dietary factors. You are conflating factors as usual.

    2.East asian pop culture is wussy by global standards, but by asian people’s own standards they probably don’t see it that way. The wussiness of asian pop culture as subjectively perceived by foreigners can hardly be used as an accurate measuring stick of the true physiological masculinity of the asian race.

    3.Do not conflate increased height with increased masculinity/increased testosterone. Im not entirely convinced that the increased height is due to the consumption of meat alone. More likely the increased height of present generations of asian people is due to generally improved nutrition and the fact that prior generations in asia were probably borderline malnourished. However just because the current generation of asians are well nourished and tall doesn’t cancel out the fact that they are destroying their masculinity through exposure to soy products. This is the same thing that is happening in the west; the current generation of westerners are pretty tall, however according to all the reports that I have read, the testosterone levels of current generations have been plummeting due to exposure to xenoestrogens and also soy derivatives put into the food supply. Thus increased height appears to be a poor proxy for physiological masculinity.

    4.You vastly underrate the agency of east asian people. They don’t completely copy everything the west does, especially in terms of sensitivity and political correctness. They do have their indigenous thoughts and ways of doing things and are not completely influenced by the “globo-homo” media. Much of east asians perceived wussiness and femininity is actually just the lack of masculinity which in turn is completely homegrown, its not something that they are picking up from the aether or being brainwashed to do from foreign media.

    5.Dont get started with this trump stuff. Yeah trump is “manly” and all about bluster and confidence, but that’s the point. He was marketed like that in order to appeal to disenfranchised males such as yourself. Don’t fool yourself into thinking he’s the real deal. What trump is truly about is fully transparent to anybody who is actually paying attention.

    • Replies: @Anon
    This guy is supposed to be a 'conservative' artist. I look at his art, and it looks like modernism redux.

    Been there, done that.

    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=3522
  175. What trump is truly about is fully transparent to anybody who is actually paying attention.

    Isn’t that sort of a No True Scotsman rhetorical fallacy?

    • Replies: @anon
    nope, just common sense. Just look at his cabinet picks and objectively think about the significance of this. Trump is another establishment figure who will ultimately defend the interests of the establish, hence this is why so many of his cabinet picks are ex goldman sachs employees.

    http://dealbreaker.com/2017/01/goldman-sachs-hogging-trump-cabinet-appointments/

    Stop kidding yourself that trump is somehow playing 4D chess; the use of occams razor makes much more sense in this situation. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... Unfortunately most trump supporters don't seem to get this simple concept.

  176. @Daniel Chieh

    “I am afraid that if Japan ever opens the door to African and White immigrants, it will become a mixed nation in no time.”

    Which has been a historical phenomenon. No big deal.

     

    Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal.


    No, feminism is not “really the culprit”.

     

    As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself. What else do you think might have been a driver for an individualistic perspective with an eye on romantic love as opposed to community based forms of matchmaking? Sheesh.

    Thank you, for our regular daily dose of liberal stupidity.

    “Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal.”

    Your analogy is based on a false equivalence. Cancer is deadly in and of itself when left untreated. It invades the host without permission. It is other than reasonable. A person afflicted with cancer will seek treatment. The mixing of racial and ethnic groups is by the designs of those individuals involved. It is a conscious and rational decision.

    “As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself.”

    Refute the source I provided rather than bloviate.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I am sure a cancer cell is just trying to survive and multiply, after all, why doesn't it have a right to live?

    Why should a body take measures against harmful agents and a government not take measures against societal harm?
  177. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anonguy

    What trump is truly about is fully transparent to anybody who is actually paying attention.
     
    Isn't that sort of a No True Scotsman rhetorical fallacy?

    nope, just common sense. Just look at his cabinet picks and objectively think about the significance of this. Trump is another establishment figure who will ultimately defend the interests of the establish, hence this is why so many of his cabinet picks are ex goldman sachs employees.

    http://dealbreaker.com/2017/01/goldman-sachs-hogging-trump-cabinet-appointments/

    Stop kidding yourself that trump is somehow playing 4D chess; the use of occams razor makes much more sense in this situation. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…. Unfortunately most trump supporters don’t seem to get this simple concept.

  178. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon

    In all honesty, I do strongly suspect that the east asian diet does have a negative impact on east asian psychology as well as physiology. The primary culprit I am referring to is tofu, soy beans and other soy based food products. It is well known that soy is highly estrogenic, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if soy has some negative effect on the masculinity of east asian males.”

     

    Nowhere in my comment did I write that the east asian diet is the only cause of femininity in east asian culture. I merely think that it is a major component of this; culture too matters of course. You act like just because you believe asian MSM is feminizing asian culture that dietary factors cannot be the culprit. Obviously this is a huge logical fallacy, the belief that just because A is true, B cannot be true. In actuality, A and B are probably simultaneously true in this case. Here is what I think of your points:

    1.The wussification that we see in contemporary asian pop culture did not materialize out of nowhere; it wasn't just grafted on to east asian culture, rather it has cultural precedents in more traditional asian culture which combined with modern culture which in turn led to a society that is more amenable to "wussy" things. From my (limited) exposure to early 20th century japanese literature, it appears as though japan had some insecurities relating to its masculinity/sexuality which predates the age of pop culture. Basically, japanese culture (and east asian culture overall) have always a quasi feminine/quasi effete, soft side to it. In my opinion this is the genesis of the "wussy" pop culture that we see today. Furthermore, I find your attempt at trying to use Toshiro Mifune as being representative of traditional japanese masculinity foolish. Do you really think that the movie characters played by toshiro mifune are factually representative of traditional japanese ideals of manliness? really? More importantly, many japanese adults in the 50s and 60s came of age during the war years. Of course growing up in a war time (and subsequent occupation) environment is going to mentally and culturally toughen you. This mental and culture toughness is "masculine", but it has nothing to do with physiological masculinity brought on by dietary factors. You are conflating factors as usual.

    2.East asian pop culture is wussy by global standards, but by asian people's own standards they probably don't see it that way. The wussiness of asian pop culture as subjectively perceived by foreigners can hardly be used as an accurate measuring stick of the true physiological masculinity of the asian race.

    3.Do not conflate increased height with increased masculinity/increased testosterone. Im not entirely convinced that the increased height is due to the consumption of meat alone. More likely the increased height of present generations of asian people is due to generally improved nutrition and the fact that prior generations in asia were probably borderline malnourished. However just because the current generation of asians are well nourished and tall doesn't cancel out the fact that they are destroying their masculinity through exposure to soy products. This is the same thing that is happening in the west; the current generation of westerners are pretty tall, however according to all the reports that I have read, the testosterone levels of current generations have been plummeting due to exposure to xenoestrogens and also soy derivatives put into the food supply. Thus increased height appears to be a poor proxy for physiological masculinity.

    4.You vastly underrate the agency of east asian people. They don't completely copy everything the west does, especially in terms of sensitivity and political correctness. They do have their indigenous thoughts and ways of doing things and are not completely influenced by the "globo-homo" media. Much of east asians perceived wussiness and femininity is actually just the lack of masculinity which in turn is completely homegrown, its not something that they are picking up from the aether or being brainwashed to do from foreign media.

    5.Dont get started with this trump stuff. Yeah trump is "manly" and all about bluster and confidence, but that's the point. He was marketed like that in order to appeal to disenfranchised males such as yourself. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's the real deal. What trump is truly about is fully transparent to anybody who is actually paying attention.

    This guy is supposed to be a ‘conservative’ artist. I look at his art, and it looks like modernism redux.

    Been there, done that.

    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=3522

    • Replies: @anon
    I have no idea what you're talking about, are you sure you're replying to the right comment?
  179. @Corvinus
    "Because if cancer can kill you and has killed others, you too should also embrace the growing cancer. Why ever do anything to try to stop it? Its no big deal."

    Your analogy is based on a false equivalence. Cancer is deadly in and of itself when left untreated. It invades the host without permission. It is other than reasonable. A person afflicted with cancer will seek treatment. The mixing of racial and ethnic groups is by the designs of those individuals involved. It is a conscious and rational decision.

    "As you proceed to self-repudiate yourself."

    Refute the source I provided rather than bloviate.

    I am sure a cancer cell is just trying to survive and multiply, after all, why doesn’t it have a right to live?

    Why should a body take measures against harmful agents and a government not take measures against societal harm?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I am sure a cancer cell is just trying to survive and multiply, after all, why doesn’t it have a right to live?"

    If you want to support the rights of cancer living in your body, go for it.

    "Why should a body take measures against harmful agents and a government not take measures against societal harm?"

    I never made that claim, YOU did. The assumption is that immigration in and of itself is cancerous or harmful, or that certain immigrant groups in their entirety are cancerous or harmful. Unfettered immigration certainly puts a nation and its citizens in harms way. But whether or not Syrians or Somalis overall endanger our country, that is a matter of debate. Cancer, on the other hand, is definitively harmful to one's body.
  180. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    This guy is supposed to be a 'conservative' artist. I look at his art, and it looks like modernism redux.

    Been there, done that.

    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=3522

    I have no idea what you’re talking about, are you sure you’re replying to the right comment?

  181. @anon
    Why is Japan an exception?

    No Jews.

    Lots of bookstores in Japan used to have a special section of books entitled, Japan and the Jews

  182. @Daniel Chieh
    I am sure a cancer cell is just trying to survive and multiply, after all, why doesn't it have a right to live?

    Why should a body take measures against harmful agents and a government not take measures against societal harm?

    “I am sure a cancer cell is just trying to survive and multiply, after all, why doesn’t it have a right to live?”

    If you want to support the rights of cancer living in your body, go for it.

    “Why should a body take measures against harmful agents and a government not take measures against societal harm?”

    I never made that claim, YOU did. The assumption is that immigration in and of itself is cancerous or harmful, or that certain immigrant groups in their entirety are cancerous or harmful. Unfettered immigration certainly puts a nation and its citizens in harms way. But whether or not Syrians or Somalis overall endanger our country, that is a matter of debate. Cancer, on the other hand, is definitively harmful to one’s body.

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