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  1. Iberiano says:

    Just laughing out loud…we can’t stop winning. This is too good. Especially before the mid-terms. It has to be meme’d to death too.

    Folks, just STFU already, the woman is, around, quite possibly, something like, 1/32 to 1/1024th Native American…Case closed. Pay up Drumpf.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  2. As far as Narrative busting goes, this ranks up there with “the Inuit are not Canada’s First Nations” and “the people who built Stonehenge were genocided by the English.”

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  3. Doofus says:

    This means that Warren is running for President. And it also means that someone has obtained Warren’s employment applications to UT, UPenn (?), and Harvard, where she denies -and I’m convinced-she did, in fact, check that she was a racial minority (NA). Why else would Warren disclose such pathetic DNA results? She selfishly and fraudulently claimed NA status, thereby denying a job to a real minority and now she needs a CYA angle.

  4. JB says:

    The ol’crystal ball let me see her future acceptance speech at the convention in 2020:

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  5. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump has always been an expert at spotting fake Indians.

  6. Do you think Warren will run against the Old World Indian on the Republican side, namely, the crypto-Sikh Nikki Haley?

    Actually Haley would have to explain Sikhism to American voters, who tend to confuse her religion with Islam. Sikhism arose in northern India as a kind of religious reform movement around the same time as the Reformation in Europe. Its founding guru, Nanak, invites comparison with Martin Luther.

  7. Pepe says:

    Meanwhile:

    “We’re going to drop in on Donald Trump. He has to take us in,” said Andrea Fernandez, 24, who left Honduras with a newborn baby, a 5-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son because she said she could not find work and feared for their safety.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-caravan/northbound-migrant-group-doubles-in-size-enters-guatemala-idUSKCN1MQ03H

    Most studies show the overwhelming majority are heading north for more $$$ or family reunification.

  8. I was gonna get my DNA tested to show you guys I am a descendant of Sacagawea but you’d just think I was running for president.

  9. Anonym says:

    On the one hand, having to use AA to be accepted into an Ivy detracts from your intellectual credentials (though one could claim that she was just overly cautious). On the other hand, she is cited a lot for her bankruptcy law work.

    She may have also had some experience with moral bankruptcy, and wading into the media foray 3 weeks before an election voluntarily with these DNA results speaks to a degree of intellectual bankruptcy as well.

  10. Does Warren think she actually counted coup, I mean scored political points, today? She seriously thinks she’s going to be Head Bravo, I mean nominee, and scalp, I mean defeat, the Great White Father, I mean President Trump?

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  11. Isn’t Bloomberg himself running as a Democrat?

    Whoever wrote this headline will not be having a good day tomorrow.

  12. eah says:

    Warren as President will fix this problem.

    • Replies: @eah
  13. Trevor H. says:

    Now that the MSM has anointed her Genuine Native American, there’s not much that can stop her.

    Except perhaps for someone named Kamala with more Diversity Pokemon Points, or a Jewish billionaire, or who knows, Hillary? She’s certainly out there campaigning. Even Trump said she just doesn’t know when to quit.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  14. eah says:
    @eah

    Kicks Richwine when he’s down, worries about ‘white supremacy’.

    • Replies: @eah
  15. Lagertha says:

    she showed weakness early on, a few years ago. She has no chance. She is too old and a person who has shown she is duplicitous.

  16. eah says:
    @eah

    Uses “goyim” to describe non-Jews.

  17. Lagertha says:
    @Desiderius

    Bloomberg: too old, too rich.

  18. Paleo says:

    But is the glass 1/256th full or 255/256ths empty?

  19. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    A genealogical review of Elizabeth Warren’s claims…

    http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/05/elizabeth-warrens-ancestry-part-1.html

    Her’s was a white family living as whites in close proximity to Indians. That doesn’t make you an Indian.

  20. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Broke: Warren 2020
    Woke: Warren 1024

  21. istevefan says:

    Wouldn’t this be akin to the media claiming Trump never paid taxes, but Trump denying that charge and claiming that he did indeed pay taxes? Then to prove his point, Trump provides a return that shows he paid $100 in income taxes.

    The media would excoriate him over such a paltry sum that essentially is the same as having paid no taxes at all. Trump would never be allowed to live down such an admission that is so ridiculous no normal person would dare mention it in public.

    That essentially is what Warren is doing, but I doubt her friends in the MSM are going to take her down over it.

  22. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    The smart way to handle this would have been for her to have released the information with no fanfare, maybe to a blogger who asks about it, as an aside, and not comment on it. No big deal. I didn’t know the facts, just family stories, these tests have been in the news recently, I decided to get one.

    To release this overwrought video and make such a big deal out of it sets her up for ridicule.

    • Replies: @ànon
    , @Chrisnonymous
  23. @Desiderius

    That’s the point. If an obviously damaged Warren is considered the front runner that makes it easier for Bloomberg.

  24. The test did come back female, didn’t it? She could ask Giselle Donnelly to be her running mate.

    • LOL: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. songbird says:

    As someone from MA, I really don’t get why she gets some people excited. I mean, she strikes me as shrill, vituperative and very undynamic, like Hillary squared.

    Say what you will of Hillary but at least she was the wife of a political celebrity. Meanwhile, Obama was at least a numinous negro.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @candid_observer
  26. @Reg Cæsar

    Oddly enough, the test said she had an exactly equal number of male and female ancestors. WTF are the chances of that?! I say do a 2nd blood test. I think her test tube got mixed up with the one from Crazy Horse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  27. anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    We call it maize:

    Warren saw the Mazola commercial in the 1970′s, thus she is part Indian.

  28. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    I predict she will receive 1024 votes.

  29. trelane says:

    Can such a squaw be made king?

  30. Thomas says:

    Front runner for what? Being the butt of the best jokes and memes?

  31. Thomas says:
    @songbird

    As someone from MA, I really don’t get why she gets some people excited. I mean, she strikes me as shrill, vituperative and very undynamic, like Hillary squared.

    Hearing her public speaking voice alone was enough to convince me she would never be President. Nobody without some sort of a schoolmarm kink would want to listen to that for four years.

  32. 1 in 1,024 isn’t too bad. A bit better than Hillary, actually.

  33. Anon[342] • Disclaimer says:

    Remarkably, if I can judge from their website at the moment. The New York Times seems to be getting savvy, and has not hyped up the Elizabeth Warren DNA test results, treating it more like a minor human interest sidebar. There is no …

    CAUGHT IN A LIE TRUMP REFUSES TO APOLOGIZE
    Elizabeth Warren DNA Test Proves Native American Ancestry

    … at the top of the site, with graf 49 containing “… six to ten generations ago ….”

    Are they figuring out how to deal with President Trump, finally? Do they now realize, unlike most of the left, that Trump’s supporters never really cared about her Indian background, and were just grooving on how skillfully the Trumpster dissed and trash talked an annoying critic?

  34. Mr. Anon says:
    @Desiderius

    Isn’t Bloomberg himself running as a Democrat?

    Is he claiming to be an Indian too?

  35. Anon[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas

    Hearing her public speaking voice alone was enough to convince me she would never be President. Nobody without some sort of a schoolmarm kink would want to listen to that for four years.

    She was on a late night show, Colbert’s maybe?, before the election, and she just couldn’t do the politician thing. I think some consultant must have told her to go on with two or three talking points, and turn every question’s answer into a talking point, no matter what was asked. This is indeed a common media skill used in politics and elsewhere, but you need to be able to pull it off smoothly. She came off like she was having a series of mini-strokes, or had really bad hearing, or something.

  36. @Anon

    Yes, I had a look at the NYT site, and had to scroll waaaay down to find any mention of One-Drop Warren’s ‘triumph’.

    Cultural elite smoke signals = Enough with the cheekbones, Liz

  37. @Doofus

    now she needs a CYA angle

    Too much junk in that trunk.

  38. Jefferson says:
    @advancedatheist

    “Actually Haley would have to explain Sikhism to American voters, who tend to confuse her religion with Islam.”

    Nikki Haley NEVER wears a hijab or a burqa, so only the most low IQ voters would mistake Nikki Haley for a Muslim.

  39. @JB

    New incontrovertible evidence that Warren is too a real, credible, corroborated Native American Indian of Color:

    • LOL: Coemgen
  40. Jefferson says:
    @Trevor H.

    “or a Jewish billionaire,”

    Michael Bloomberg is pro-stopping and frisking Hispanics & African Americans so he will never win The Democratic Party nomination to face Donald Trump in the general.

    Stop And Frisk is a deal breaker for the vast majority of Democrats.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  41. Jefferson says:
    @Desiderius

    1970s Porn Stache Guy looks like the love child of Jim Croce and Tony Orlando.

  42. Jefferson says:

    Elizabeth Warren said her parents were visibly seen as an interracial couple. I don’t know how that’s possible when according to her DNA results the last time anybody in her family was visibly Native American in phenotype Jesus Christ was having his last supper.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Pericles
    , @res
  43. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson:

    Michael Bloomberg was delusional to ever enter the NYC mayoralty election. During the race he was the laughing stock of late nite TV comedians. But somehow or other he prevailed! So never underestimate him (or his sack of ill begotten dough).

  44. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    The left seems prickly, not supportive, of Warren’s announcement

    Elizabeth Warren’s DNA Results Put Trump on Defensive, but Also Raise Questions

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-ancestry.html

    And liberals, as well as conservatives, said Ms. Warren had still not adequately addressed why she changed her ethnic identity from white to Native American as a law professor in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

    “Warren’s gotta say she shouldn’t have listed herself as Native American 30 years ago and apologize profusely and sit down with community leaders that agree to meet with her,” said Josie Duffy Rice, a progressive writer. (Ms. Warren has said she began identifying as Native American to honor her heritage because many of her older relatives were dying in that period).

    And Cherokee Nation, which is based in Oklahoma, also criticized Ms. Warren, saying in a statement she was “undermining tribal interests” by claiming Native American heritage.

    Feeling the Need to Defend Your Credentials

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/10/16/elizabeth-warren-and-pressure-justify-academic-success

    My initial gut reaction is to feel nauseated by the entire video — the white patriarchs sitting around the living room with Warren waxing nostalgic about family lore that actual Cherokee genealogists have refuted, and they have the documentation to prove it,” TallBear said Monday evening, describing a scene with Warren’s family. “And the insistence that affirmative action did not allow her to get ahead.”

    But TallBear said that Warren was guilty of the all-too-common “settler” tactic of using indigenous histories and peoples as pawns.

    Tall Bear added, “This whole scene is playing out today for the benefit of everyone but indigenous people.”

    Crystal Fleming, an associate professor of sociology and Africana studies at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, said in an emailed statement that while Warren “(now) positions herself as white woman with regard to her career advancement, she still does not acknowledge how her whiteness (within a settler-colonial state) informs her offensive decision to bypass Native people and the Cherokee Nation in particular, with regard to her claim to indigenous ancestry and identity.”

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    , @Forbes
  45. ànon says:
    @Anon

    James Garner was from Norman, his mother was a Cherokee Indian.
    Not seeing any Cherokee in Elizabeth Warren, though.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  46. @Anon

    Thanks! Now that is funny – And a great way to kick off the Democrats’ infighting for the nomination.

  47. @Thomas

    It’s a lot younger teacher that asks you to stay after class for special tutoring in most people’s schoolmarm fantasy.

  48. @advancedatheist

    Haley just says, “Sikhs are the one who kill Muslims for the Hindu Indians”. Close enough for election work.

  49. @Anonym

    Too many good comments; not enough LOL buttons.

  50. Coemgen says:
    @Thomas

    One has to wonder whether or not Elizabeth’s Warren’s political career is the result of a sophisticated plan to get her away the Harvard campus.

    Once she is no longer performing the job she was hired for (i.e., being a “woman of color”), she then becomes nothing but a screeching crank.

  51. @Doofus

    “Why else would Warren disclose such pathetic DNA results? She selfishly and fraudulently claimed NA status, thereby denying a job to a real minority and now she needs a CYA angle.”

    Excellent point. She’s a lawyer and now she has her “technicality” that she will use use to try to deflect the reality of her dishonesty and phony persona. It will be interesting listening to her trying to make it sound credible. Without the MSM carrying the water for her, it would be a steep uphill climb.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  52. @Thomas

    Even the photo they staged for that Bloomberg tweet is ridiculous: the pink cat-lady cardigan, the raised arthritic fist, the open scolding mouth, the bottom of the irritating feminist slogan … . It’s like they want you to despise her. What were the supposed PR geniuses at DNC headquarters thinking?

    Is Trump even going to have to campaign in 2020, or will all the Dem candidates just be self-parodies?

  53. Romanian says: • Website
    @advancedatheist

    There is a meme here with Virgin Protestant and Chad Sikh. The War Nerd, a raging neocon persona played by a liberal poet, was a big fan of Sikhs as badasses.

    http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-classic-in-praise-of-sikhs-the-coolest-warrior-tribe-around/

  54. @Dan Hayes

    Is his fortune really ill-gotten? Granted, a lot of his Wall Street customers’ money is from corruption, but is selling financial news to them an illegitimate business?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  55. @ànon

    Garner may have been 1/8 or even 1/4, but wasn’t 1/2. There’s simply no mistaking a half-breed indian, and it’s generally not hard at all to tell if one is 1/4. That’s not to say that culturally, his mother wasn’t true blue, but by blood, she’d be half at best.

    In fact, if Warren could have at least shown she had cultural ties to a tribe, even if they had been childhood playmates, none of this would be a big deal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ben tillman
  56. Arclight says:

    While amusing to make fun of Warren for her blatant attempts to get in on the modern race hustle, I don’t think this affects her 2020 chances one way or another. Much like how nearly all voters had priced in Trump’s quirks long before 2016, voters on the left simply don’t care about Warren’s efforts to rack up intersectional Pokemon points, and neither will moderates that are turned off by Trump.

    That’s not to say I think she would have a better than 50% chance to beat Trump if she’s the nominee, just that no one will care about this in 2020 except people who will never vote for her anyway.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Desiderius
    , @Forbes
  57. @Desiderius

    Tony Blair was rockin’ the same hairstyle back when that video was made. Maybe it’s him?

  58. Svigor says:

    Oooh! Indian BURN!

  59. Svigor says:
    @Iberiano

    Next move is to pay up and give 1m to…FAIR or NumbersUSA, something like that. And slow-walk the eff out of acknowledging or correcting the problem, so that a month later Trump is tweeting about how at last he’s donating 1m to the NRA or the Troops of St. George, rinse, repeat. The headlines, the triggering…

    (((Go Ogle))) is the bestest search engine; search for pro-life charity and they show you a big graphic that includes Planned Parenthood.

    Go Ogle’s brilliant marketing scheme is to link themselves, leftism, and assholery in the minds of every person on the planet.

  60. Svigor says:
    @Arclight

    and neither will moderates that are turned off by Trump.

    Probably an overstatement. Recall 2016′s margins.

  61. @Anon

    I was feeling partial to her in this video until the end when she tried to make herself into “another victim of ongoing racism against her people”, which turned the thing into a farce.

    What she should have done was to wait until she was in a debate with Trump, then bring up his bet and call his bluff on his $1m challenge. Then she could release the results after that with some version of “well, even though my family story was correct as I told it, I’m kind of surprised there was so little DNA. Who’da thunk it?” Since nobody understands DNA, the takeaway would have been that “she met Trump’s challenge and he was wrong and that’s so weird you can have so little DNA with an Indian ancestor!!” That would have taken the teeth out of laughing at her 0.4%.

    As it is, the timing must be to suppress Trump vote in middle America. The main message of that video is Trump attacking older nice midwesterners. If they can suppress enough Trump vote, maybe the R’s won’t gain seats in the Congress this Nov.

  62. @Chrisnonymous

    I noticed today that a lot of people have trouble with the arithmetic of 2 to the 8th power.

    Heck, I screwed up the math in my initial tweet.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @res
  63. If 1/1024 entitles Warren to be a Native American, then what else is she from the other 1023/1024?

    Isn’t her tiny indian essence drown out by her other racial components?

    Is it possible to channel a miniscule part of your heritage to deliver on expectations of diversity like Harvard wanted from this WOC?

    • Replies: @bgates
    , @Reg Cæsar
  64. Does Warren now endorse the “one drop of blood” standard?

  65. @Jefferson

    Obviously her mom was an early adopter of the flight from white and young Lizzie followed her lead. Warren’s biggest mistake may have been dying her hair blond.

    The Axis of Becky takes another hit.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  66. @Achmed E. Newman

    Oddly enough, the test said she had an exactly equal number of male and female ancestors. WTF are the chances of that?!

    The “average American” has one testicle. So did the average German of 1933– so their leader was representative in one way.

  67. @Steve Sailer

    The interesting thing is how well Twitter seems to correct for widespread innumeracy, given sufficient motivation to do so.

  68. @Arclight

    Yeah right, NAMs don’t care about Beckys cutting in on their sweet, sweet Pokémon points. Good thing the Ds don’t need any NAM votes.

  69. anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    She came out with one of those quickie ghost-written political books last year which is what aspiring candidates usually do when getting ready to campaign for some higher office. There’s also a couple of other very recent books about her by other authors that apparently gush over her so perhaps that’s also part of some astroturf effort to make it seem that the masses are demanding her. This DNA controversy can apparently be kept going and increasingly makes her look foolish as she clings to her sub-atomic amount of Native American ancestry as proving something or other. The dishonesty of the past is dogging her now. Early on she probably didn’t think she’d reach the level she has and so didn’t think her little lie would ever become such an issue. By 2020 she’d be over 70 years of age anyway, hardly much of a Democratic Party new breed that they would need to gain more traction. But at least, knowing they’ll lose, they can then claim to be the party that presents women and blacks as presidential candidates.

  70. bgates says:
    @eddy wobegon

    Isn’t her tiny indian essence drowned out by her other racial components?

    Homeopathphobe.

  71. bgates says:

    Elizabeth Warren Positions Herself as the Front Runner

    It’s her heritage – they’re great runners.

  72. @eddy wobegon

    Is it possible to channel a miniscule part of your heritage…

    It’s always ironic to see this common error in HBD discussions, given that minuscules were first developed by monks who (in most cases) left no descendants.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  73. Pericles says:
    @Jefferson

    Elizabeth Warren said her parents were visibly seen as an interracial couple. I don’t know how that’s possible

    Perhaps they were Anglo+Irish?

  74. Sen Warren has told Pres Trump he can direct his million to the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center.

    This seems mostly concerned with domestic violence, but it would be funny (in a morbid way) if they also did referrals for abortions.

  75. I’m curious about Dr. Bustamante and his method – isn’t such a small fraction of shared DNA often considered “noise” in these sorts of tests?

    Also, I think the Cherokee Nation has a good point here about DNA testing for ethnicity (as opposed to relatedness of two or more closely related individuals). They test for “shared DNA markers” in regional populations. Since American Indians discourage their enrolled tribe members from taking the tests to grant these companies a North American Indian DNA data set, Bustamante had to use DNA samples from South Americans for comparison, on the theory that South American indigenous populations were simply among the first waves across the Bering ice bridge.

    But how can these testing companies be certain that South American “indigenous” populations don’t broadly have at least some European admixture from the era of the Conquistadors and later colonial periods? Isn’t it at least possible that Warren simply shares some DNA markers with some European whose DNA drifted into the South American “indigenous” population a couple hundred years ago or more?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  76. @Desiderius

    Obviously her mom was an early adopter of the flight from white and young Lizzie followed her lead. Warren’s biggest mistake may have been dying her hair blond.

    The Axis of Becky takes another hit.

    I sort of thought it was standard for white Southerners to make a claim of part Indian ancestry (usually Cherokee) as part of family lore. I suppose in the post war era it made some psychological sense to bolster one’s claim to the Southern soil by claiming ancestry from the native population while otherwise remaining visibly white. Famously in the 1990s Bill Clinton made a claim that his grandmother was one quarter Cherokee.

    Here’s a SJWish take on this:

    https://timeline.com/part-cherokee-elizabeth-warren-cf6be035967e

    But I think it’s something different to have done this in Oklahoma, where there is a significant population of living, enrolled Cherokees who engage in social and cultural events. Warren was among these people, so it’s a bit weirder for her to insist upon Cherokee blood (to the point of anti-Native discrimination against her close relatives) without really investigating the matter further.

  77. res says:
    @Jefferson

    Elizabeth Warren said her parents were visibly seen as an interracial couple.

    Do you have a reference for that? Sounds pretty silly.

    This article has some detail about her family background on the relevant line: https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/09/15/elizabeth-warren-family-native-american-heritage

  78. Thirdtwin says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    “What she should have done was to wait until she was in a debate with Trump, then bring up his bet and call his bluff on his $1m challenge.”

    Hillary tried that with Alicia Machado. How’d that work out? Not so well. Hillary had to start rolling Blasey Fords off the assembly line, also to no avail. And I doubt Warren has the tooling for that kind of operation, anyway.

  79. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A good reference point for the powers of 2 is 2^10 being 1024 (aka 1k in computerese). Which of course scales up to meg (20), gig (30), etc.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  80. @res

    Do you have a reference for that?

    I think it’s in the video posted upthread.

  81. @res

    Warren claims that her father’s parents disapproved of her parents’ intentions to marry because her mother was a “Cherokee girl” and as a consequence her parents had to run off and elope to fight the scourges of anti one-five-hundred-and-twelfths-Indian prejudice.

  82. @Alec Leamas

    If her Indian DNA was actually European lineage that snuck in, why would it have been distinguishable from her other European DNA?

  83. Thea says:

    We should encourage this as much as possible. The more her, Hillary and Kamila bicker, the better.

  84. How about this for fun?

    Instead of

    4 More Years!
    Warren in 2020!

    this:

    0.004 More Years!
    Warren in 2020… in November… the 4th week… from 8:00AM on Tuesday to 7PM on Wednesday!
    Over by Thanksgiving!

  85. Jefferson says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Michael Bloomberg would NEVER win The Democratic Primaries because the competition running to the political Left of him would release campaign commercials saying that a vote for Mr. Pro Stop And Frisk Michael Bloomberg is a vote against Black and Brown bodies.

    NAMs in The Democratic Primaries will not vote for Stop And Frisk Bloomberg and neither will Woke White Leftists who support Black Lies Matter and hate cops.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  86. CCZ says:

    Warren – Dolezal 2020!!

  87. @Alec Leamas

    No, it doesn’t seem that weird at all for hippy/progressive types of that era. Identifying/sympathizing with Native Americans has always been fashionable but it was particularly in in the 70s.

    This was before it was widely understood that one could make the better part of a living (or a fortune) from that identity or get ahead at Hahvahd, etc.

  88. Anonymous[782] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Exactly. Warren can’t retcon herself into Sacheen Littlefeather any more than she can pick her ancestors. The excellent CNN.com takedown by the nerdy Am-Indian journo guy showed convincingly that Harvard Lady never took a serious cultural interest in Cherokee/Delaware “ethnic experience” nor did she manage even the simplest political grandstanding on *recent* issues of generic red-man import like the Dakotas pipeline. Warren is parachuting into Indian territory now after avoiding it in public, probably out of justified shame, for decades. It bespeaks a fundamental lack of political instinct though.

  89. What would the term be to describe someone with such a tiny sliver of minority blood like Warren?

    A hemidemisemiquaveroon?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  90. bjondo says:

    Fake Hebrews,
    Fake Indians.

    Compared to the Fake Hebrews
    Warren is Full Blood Cherokee.

    5ds

  91. Olorin says:
    @Doofus

    Yeah like “real minority” individuals could have qualified for an Ivy League faculty position in 1995, before admissions requirements and degree granting were turned into a sort of Play-Doh Fun Factory squeezing victimization into various shapes for newly routed SJW categories replacing, say, actual expertise in the field in question.

    I remember the buzz in ’95/’96 when progs were talking about Warren as the First Faculty Of Color At Harvard. The Injuns of my acquaintance thought as I did–she seemed pretty white.

    But white ladies larping as Noble Savages is hardly new. I keep seeing memes on this topic in fact that show a Sicilian (Oscar Espera di Corti) larping as an Injun. If he could do it, why couldn’t she, or for that fact all the dream-catcher-wearing types?

    https://priceonomics.com/the-true-story-of-the-crying-indian/

    http://archive.is/V5cod

    The larger and unasked question is why Elizabeth Warren spits on and forgets her other 1023 ancestors in those past, what, 8 generations.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  92. @songbird

    I’m from MA too, and I kind of hate to defend Warren in any way, but early on in her political career she seemed to have some promise at least in the direction she was pushing the Dem party.

    She seemed very much to be advocating for a species of economic populism, leveraging her background in bankruptcy law to go after the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street.

    But that fell to wayside in her overweening ambition to become President. Ambitious Dems realize now that Identity Politics is the only path to the top of the Party. So she’s playing that game.

    Her past ambition and deception obviously came back to bite her with the Indian thing. Bad character has that way.

  93. If this delegitimizes the DAWES rolls and the rootin’, tootin’ Cherokee granny myth beloved of the proles, Warren deserves a medal at least. What would make this all truly hilarious is if Latinos started pointing out the reality that a lot of them are basically Indios and not Castilians.

    Make no mistake, those indigenous community members know what’s at stake here even if their CHUD allies don’t. This is about goodies for the special, select few. This is about federal contracting set asides, among other things.

    Rather than discredit Warren and add indigenous community ally to defending Jebus and the supporting the troops, the correct response would be to encourage more of this.

    • Agree: Lowe
  94. Olorin says:
    @advancedatheist

    Actually Haley would have to explain Sikhism to American voters, who tend to confuse her religion with Islam.

    Coz if there’s anything the US republic needs at this point, or will in 2020, it’s examination and explanation of these minutiae of ancient Old World internecine, religious, and political battles.

    Would all these people just eff off already and take their backing and forthing back to where it came from? There is probably something I care less about than Sikhism versus Islamism, etc., but at the moment I can’t think of what it is. We’ve got a republic to restore.

    Though it is indeed important to make sure that crypto Nikki isn’t allowed to larp as anything other than an early vanguard Asian invader.

  95. @Chrisnonymous

    If her Indian DNA was actually European lineage that snuck in, why would it have been distinguishable from her other European DNA?

    Because the genetic marker would be broadly distributed among the “indigenous” population of South America.

    The DNA testing companies in my understanding simply find DNA markers in populations tied to regions and rely upon self-reporting of ethnicity from the sample populations. It’s not like they can take DNA samples from the Pre-Columbian population – they have to get them from people on Earth now, after several hundred years of contact with European colonists (and African slave populations). I think there is some high level effort to extract DNA from mummies and bog men and whatnot but to the best of my knowledge these samples are not among those used to determine ethnicities.

    In other words, these testing companies are misrepresenting what their services actually do to a population of people eager to believe anything told to them by people in a white lab coats playing with beakers.

    People are led to believe that the given percentages represent [i]descent[/i], rather than simply a distant shared ancestor whose descendants could have made their ways into entirely distinct ethnic populations.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  96. @candid_observer

    I’m from MA too, and I kind of hate to defend Warren in any way, but early on in her political career she seemed to have some promise at least in the direction she was pushing the Dem party.

    She seemed very much to be advocating for a species of economic populism, leveraging her background in bankruptcy law to go after the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street.

    I found it kind of strange that she managed to get elected to the Senate from Massachusetts – the Commonwealth’s politics always seemed provincial to me insofar as its politicians were home grown and had some local bona fides. I’m thinking of Ted Kennedy’s prominent Boston accent, Kerry’s Brahmin affect, Scott Brown’s and Ed Markey’s distinct accents. Warren doesn’t seem to fit the mold of the typical United States Senator from Massachusetts, and perhaps I’m wrong but “faculty at Harvard Law School” doesn’t sound like sufficient local bona fides.

    Maybe they just haven’t gotten a new befreckled sociopath from Massachusetts’ dominant political clan ready for prime time yet?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  97. @Alec Leamas

    It seems like it is always grandma who was part-Cherokee, never grandpa. I wonder why. Maybe due to women caring more about family, remembering their ancestors and talking about them with the grandkids.

    • Replies: @Hallie Scott Kline
  98. @candid_observer

    I think she’s trying her darndest not to play that game, but she picked the wrong team for that.

  99. @candid_observer

    Fauxcohantas also wrote a paper in 2005 that bemoaned medical bankruptcies, but even the NYT said there were problems with it. Bottom line is that she has been an opportunist and a liar for 30+ years.

    Elizabeth Warren and a Scholarly Debate Over Medical Bankruptcy That Won’t Go Away

    A 2005 academic paper fueled much discussion and helped her political career, but remains contested.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/upshot/elizabeth-warren-and-a-scholarly-debate-over-medical-bankruptcy-that-wont-go-away.html

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  100. bjondo says:

    Fall back option if Cherokee don’t fly –
    1/2 tranny.

    Still won’t come close to White House

    but

    Weinswinewood will call.

    5ds

  101. In 1996 and 2000, Wynona LaDuke was the VP nominee for the Green Party with Ralph Nader at the head of the ticket. Her mother was Betty Bernstein and father Sun Bear taught her about the environment. Perhaps this is where the Berenstain Bears came from.

  102. Anonymous[778] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iberiano

    I wonder if the Dems had a pow wow about this idea before she went through with it?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  103. Jefferson says:

    If Elizabeth Warren were to become POTUS the mainstream media would label her as the country’s 2nd Biracial U.S president after Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  104. Jefferson says:
    @james blood ulmer

    “What would the term be to describe someone with such a tiny sliver of minority blood like Warren?”

    The modern Left sure are fans of Jim Crow’s and Adolf Hitler’s theories about Whiteness and racial purity. It’s the horse shoe theory that when you are so Far Left you actually end up finding some common ground with the Alt-Right.

  105. Anonymous[778] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iberiano

    Is she so sure she really wants to open this can of worms? Of course it’s ridiculous that she can claim to be an indian, a victim, that she perpetuates race as real while proclaiming it’s not, etc. But there is the added concern for her that some might start actually thinking about her ancestry. If it is true and not a doctored up value, what does that really say about her ancestry? She paints this proud Waid Statie nonsense or whatever the hell his name was, but in fact the odds that it would be an Indian man with a white woman ~200+ years ago would be extremely slim. Pretty much the only time that was going on was when an Indian raid led to white rape. So patriarchal oppression of women, rape, and absentee fathering. Most likely it would have been a white settler with a squaw- white colonization. And she’s slapping the memory of her poor oppressed Indian ancestor by exploiting it. So if she is true then she’s basically like one of those white Mexican progeny of the Conquistadors, pulling privileged treatment in the US based on oppression that their own ancestors were the ones to create.

  106. @Anonymous

    I wonder if the Dems had a pow wow about this idea before she went through with it?

    They did indeed have a pow wow and they smoked the peace pipe too. It is only now they’ve realized that the peace pipe was filled with marijuana laced with PCP, which is why their plans did not work too well.

  107. @Anonymous

    Is she so sure she really wants to open this can of worms?

    Her problem is that she opened this can in the 1980s, and (mixed metaphor) Elizabeth Warren’s worms . . . have come home to roost!

    Keep in mind that when she started spinning this tale in the 1980s she could not have conceived that a cheap, universally available means of definitively proving her claims wrong via widely accepted scientific means would be commonplace at the zenith of her ambitions. She doubled down instead of squaring up.

    When people on the right like Howie Carr started prodding her about her ridiculous Cherokee origin stories as “Liawatha” and “Fauxcohontas,” I don’t think she could have anticipated a Trumpian figure who could ignore the Media and its Calvinball cultural dictates and force the issue. She ignored the sniping from the right, safe in the knowledge that specious allegations of racism against her questioners would relegate those questions to the periphery of the political scene where they could be ignored. Fast forward to 2018, and she’s run into two realities – the singular figure of Trump unafraid of crossing Media boundaries, and the broad public acceptance of DNA cheek swab testing for ethnicity (regardless of its real accuracy).

  108. “After being thoroughly rebuked by the Cherokee Nation for using her DNA results (which, by the way, make her more Aryan than Hitler) for cheap political purposes, Warren continues to debase herself stridently rallying her supporters to force Trump to pay up on his ‘bet’ with her that she is significantly Native American.”

    – Tom Luongo

    More Aryan than Hitler … priceless!

    https://tomluongo.me/2018/10/16/when-warren-woke-world-cherokee-trump/

  109. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Sorry. My question was badly worded before… If the South American reference population were carrying Conquistador DNA and if this is what matched Warren, why would Warren’s results come back as 0.4% South American instead of 0.4% South European or 100% European? Are you suggesting Conquistador DNA from Iberia that lived on in SA but died out in Spain?

  110. Forbes says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    How many Midwesterners–aside from those who grew up with her–consider Lizzie Warren, late of Harvard Law School, and now Senator from Massachusetts to be a Midwesterner?

    Did Warren’s Massachusetts constituents vote for a Midwesterner? Or vote for one of their own?

  111. Forbes says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Without the MSM carrying the water for her, it would be a steep uphill climb.

    Any Republican politician attempting the same stunt would’ve been ridiculed into status as a non-person long before the DNA test…

  112. Princess Running Bear

    will not be the demoncrats’ nominee in 2020.

    even the demoncrats aren’t stoopid enough to run an over-the-hill female 2x in a row.

    it would be neat, though, if they nominate Kamala and

    the Republiscams dump Trump and run Nikki.

    then ‘Murka could have an all-Hindoo election

  113. Forbes says:
    @Anonym

    I await her claiming disadvantaged status, and therefore deserving of AA, due to her law degree from Rutgers, as the Ivies need more professor diversity and inclusion from 2nd-tier law schools.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  114. @Seth Largo

    As far as Narrative busting goes, this ranks up there with “the Inuit are not Canada’s First Nations” and “the people who built Stonehenge were genocided by the English.”

    I don’t get it. I dn’t even know what “this” is.

  115. @Anonym

    She may have also had some experience with moral bankruptcy, and wading into the media foray 3 weeks before an election voluntarily with these DNA results speaks to a degree of intellectual bankruptcy as well.

    I don’t get it. I have no idea what you mean.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  116. @Jim Don Bob

    I vaguely recall Todd Zywicki getting into it with her 10-15 years ago and being stunned at the vapidity of her scholarship. But then he got caught up in the Dartmouth board thing and disappeared.

  117. @Forbes

    World War Roman Hruska.

    Actually I think they’ve all been World War Roman Hruska.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Fabian Forge
  118. @John Mansfield

    Doubt if many white women married Native American men—

  119. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    Lizzie Warren is toast.

    If she just let it go–dropped the whole matter and let it recede in time–she might’ve gotten past it as an old issue of no current relevance.

    Or if she explained it was a poor decision to go with family lore without sufficient research into the actual history–and put an end to the question. Said with an apology, the media would play it as if it never happened.

    But no. She took Trump’s bait. And returned with a rotten fish, stinking to high heaven.

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Slander Warren all you wish, but you can’t deny that “Pow Wow Chow” is full of great vittles for today’s busy moms!

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  121. Forbes says:
    @Desiderius

    I don’t get the ‘World War’ reference.

    Hruska championed mediocrity as in the case of G. Harold Carswell for the USSC.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Desiderius
  122. Forbes says:
    @Arclight

    I dunno. The coalition of the fringes wants more Pokemon Points, not a white woman–if the NYT’s war on white men and Becky is anything to go by..

  123. @Desiderius

    My goodness. I haven’t thought of Judge Carswell in decades. Also – Brandeis and Cardozo and Frankfurter, oh my!

  124. @South Texas Guy

    Garner may have been 1/8 or even 1/4, but wasn’t 1/2. There’s simply no mistaking a half-breed indian, and it’s generally not hard at all to tell if one is 1/4. That’s not to say that culturally, his mother wasn’t true blue, but by blood, she’d be half at best.

    My wife’s grandmother (from Dimmit County) was 1/4. That’s not a half-breed, and I never saw her before she turned 90, but she had blue eyes and no evident Indian appearance in her last years. My mother-in-law, at 1/8, is super-taciturn, and my wife at 1/16 has that weird thing on the roof of her mouth. Also, if you put her on a trail in the woods along the Susquehanna, well, she walks like an Indian.

  125. Forbes says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Was Warren Plan B after Martha Coakley lost to Scott Brown when filling the Ted Kennedy seat in the special election??

  126. @Forbes

    I’m pretty sure he was championing gentiles, and the mediocrity thing was ironic.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  127. Forbes says:
    @Jefferson

    I’m too jaded and cynical to think that the media would have her as the second of anything–the media parrots “firsts” to death.

  128. Hunsdon says:

    This morning, on NPR, the report was that President Trump was trying to Welsh out of paying Elizabeth Warren the million dollars he had wagered on a quote-unquote technicality. Since she had demonstrated Native American ancestry, the host felt that Trump was as one might expect trying to weasel out of a legitimately lost bet.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  129. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Reference database limitations for one. How good was the database he used for Euros or Indians? Even great databases have significant limitations esp for minorities; this guy could use a terrible one if it forwarded his goal. You’re thinking also about matches of the entire genome instead of small stretches here and there. An error is thinking they were looking objectively when it seems they were likely just trying to get a certain result. They don’t have to show a shred of evidence for how they got there. This is a common tactic on the left.

  130. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    You’re right that she’s making a fundamental political mistake. Politicians must have enough common sense to stop talking about their gaffes to keep their career on track. Her behavior indicates that she cannot handle anything that stresses her or which smears her reputation. Instead of sucking it up, she doubles down and insists that she’s right.

    Insisting that you’re always right is typical female behavior, and it’s one reason why women hit a glass ceiling in their careers. You have to face your mistakes and own up to them, and then move beyond those mistakes to keep climbing the ladder. By refusing to face mistakes and insisting that you’re always right, you come across as a hardened liar, and people won’t promote you to to positions of responsibility because they stop trusting you.

  131. @Forbes

    Search Steve’s archives for World War G and World War T.

  132. @Hunsdon

    That’s fine, but they’re burning through their party of science cred pretty fast there.

  133. Her fatal mistake was dying her hair blonde.

  134. @Desiderius

    Her fatal mistake was dying her hair blonde.

    It’s an odd one, isn’t it? You’d think someone as deep into a deception as Warren would strive to look the part, but instead she goes to the opposite extreme.

    It’s almost as if there’s a separate part of Warren’s brain making the hair color decision, keeping ‘I think I’ll look good with this shade!’ totally compartmentalized from her basic reason, which at some point should have been saying ‘What the hell kind of message am I sending if I say I’m an Indian, but I look like Princess Paleface of the Nordic Icepeople?’

    There’s an arrogance to this that’s even more unsavory than the orginal deception.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  135. Dissident says:
    @Olorin

    The larger and unasked question is why Elizabeth Warren spits on and forgets her other 1023 ancestors in those past, what, 8 generations.

    Good point. One could say much the same about Barack H. Obama’s treatment of the white half of his ancestry.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  136. Anonym says:
    @ben tillman

    Well, claiming AA status on behalf of 1/32 or worse Indian DNA is a scam. Hence morally bankrupt. Releasing DNA results after Trump has bet you is just box of rocks dumb. If she were smarter she’d ignore and hammer on issues but no, she plays his game. Hence intellectually bankrupt.

    She’s supposedly an expert on the financial type of bankruptcy. At least it amused someone here.

  137. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The only deception here is the blond hair, or Warren deceiving herself.

    Like most nice white ladies, she thinks it’s still 1954 (Zinn version) and so she’s standing up for the underdog and always has. Her flight from white in her mind was always a bold move fraught with risk to stand in solidarity with people of color.

    It’s not her fault Harvard is so racist they only had one person of color on their law faculty. Getting to know a person of color who was more like them helped them start to get over their pervasive bigotry enough to pave the way for other women of color in her wake.

    By God, she was a hero!

  138. @Dissident

    Regression to the mean is the engine of progressivism (sic).

  139. “Except even that 0.2% is misleading, as it turns out the analysis didn’t test for Native American DNA (it used samples from Peru, Mexico, and Colombia, a very loose genetic proxy for, say, the Cherokee that Elizabeth Warren has claimed for herself).”

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/15/warren-mexican-native-american-dna/

    Not too many Cherokees in Peru, Mexico, or Colombia, I’d say.

  140. MEH 0910 says:
    @candid_observer

    I’m from MA too, and I kind of hate to defend Warren in any way, but early on in her political career she seemed to have some promise at least in the direction she was pushing the Dem party.

    Steve has made some defense of Warren in the past:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-defense-of-elizabeth-warren/

  141. Svigor says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What’s the error? I thought the two were interchangeable.

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