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What happened and why?

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    What happened and why?

    Cuckservatives are desperately trying to transfer more seats to Democrats in an attempt to obstruct Trump.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  2. Harold says:

    It all goes back to ancient Athens…

  3. Technically a primary rather than an election.

    Gawd, I hate the modern political parties.

    I look at the two front-runners for California governor, Gruesome and Vivalaraza, and it makes me embarrassed to be a Democrat. Slimebucket and Scumbucket.

    Then I look at the governor of Wisconsin. Walker is even worse.

  4. @Thomm

    Cuckservatives are desperately trying to transfer more seats to Democrats in an attempt to obstruct Trump.

    From the Democratic POV, one could say identity politics fanatics are trying to transfer more seats to Republicans to virtue signal, which helps the GOP.

    The big question for this fall is:

    Which party will shoot itself in the foot worse?
    In 2016 it was the Democrats.
    So far in 2018 it looks like the Republicans.

    We won’t know for sure until November.

  5. I am predicting mix of monster democrat blowout victories signaling the mother of all blue waves later this year, and a few piddly meaningless republican victories by razor thin margins in places no ones ever heard of.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  6. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Gay marriage vs Vivalaraza who cares who’ll win?

    • Replies: @gate666
  7. psmith says:

    peter y liu for governor of ca and emperor of the universe

    that is all

  8. Chase says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I am a hard rightist, but at this point, I’ll take any hard right or hard left candidate over anyone toeing the Neo-Liberal party line. I had Trump > Bernie >>>>> Any other Republican >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HRC (leaving the minor candidates out).

    Italy gives me hope.

  9. @Paleo Liberal

    Then I look at the governor of Wisconsin. Walker is even worse.

    He is the first US politician to win three out of two elections, batting 1.500. Somebody must like him.

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  10. AndrewR says:

    There’s a guy named Russ Fagg running for senator in Montana. I’m crying laughing right now… Omg

  11. Paul Rain says:

    RAWR LITTLEREVOLUTION!

  12. Barnard says:

    Immigration patriot Steve King easily survives a primary challenge in Iowa’s 4th district. We will see if he continues his string of strong victories in the general election after two more years of the media trying to unperson him.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
  13. Berty says:

    The D’s won a state senate seat in MO. We can thank Eric Greitens for that. Whether it signifies problems for Josh Hawley is an open question.

    The biggest problem the GOP has this year is that they have no message. No accomplishments either, and Trump isn’t really helping by trying to make the election all about him being bullied by mean old Mueller. if the Democrats continue crafting messages around real issues that voters care about and the GOP just hopes a state’s partisan index will carry them to victory then they will lose.

    New Jersey in particular could turn out to be a real problem area.

  14. istevefan says:

    I posted this on the wrong thread. So I will repost here.

    We just had a special election for the Missouri senate in my little district north of Kansas City. The white democrat beat the white republican 59 to 40 percent. It is fuc*ing unbelievable how many whites are still voting democrat. Democrats openly rebuke whites and these chumps continue to vote for them.

    To put this in context the GOP governor just resigned. But this prick was not even a republican until this election cycle. He was a pro-Obama guy who suddenly became a republican because he wanted to become governor. He supposedly was a navy SEAL and used that to win the patriotic vote. But he really rode on Trump’s coattails.

    Ironically my district has had a GOP state senator for 10 years. But the current guy was appointed to a state commission by the scumbag governor before he resigned, thus triggering this special election which allowed this SJW democrat to win.

    Now there is concern that democrat US Senator Claire McCaskill will survive in November because the GOP candidate facing her is our current attorney general who has taken a beating because of the scumbag governor and his scandal and resignation. Keep in mind Trump won in MO in Nov 2016 by 500,000 votes which is a huge margin for Missouri. And Trump’s coattails gave the GOP every statewide race on that election night. That has never happened. We all thought Claire’s days were numbered. But now she is likely to survive just like she did 6 years ago when crazy Todd Akin made that stupid rape remark thus assuring her of reelection.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    , @Lot
  15. @istevefan

    It is fuc*ing unbelievable how many whites are still voting democrat. Democrats openly rebuke whites and these chumps continue to vote for them.

    It is social signaling. You want to make sure everyone knows you aren’t poor (because people can piss on poor as much as they like) so you signal ease and safety. The best way to do that is to call for white genocide. Over time people compete to be on the bleeding edge so the demands get more insistent and concrete until you get actual white genocide. See South Africa for this in action.

  16. @Berty

    “if the Democrats continue crafting messages around real issues that voters care about”

    Wow, what planet are you from?

    • Replies: @Berty
    , @Precious
    , @Jack Hanson
  17. @Chase

    Sebastian Kurz is showing in Austria that it’s possible to be smooth while still uncompromising & tough.

    Never did think we’d again be rooting for an Austrian to take over Europe & the World…

  18. Berty says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    I’m from this planet, unlike many on the alt-right and GOP who live in some kind of fantasy land.

    Look, I hate the Democrats but here’s the reality: they’re talking about issues and the GOP isn’t. The Democrats are largely focused on health care (the #1 concern of voters polled) Medicare and kitchen table issues that working class whites care about. The GOP isn’t, they’ve largely stopped talking about healthcare at all. To the extent the GOP has any kind of election message it’s prattling about the tax cut (which nobody cares about) and “I support Trump”. They could be talking about immigration and guns ie the two big issues that motivate their voters. But they aren’t. Manchin and McCaskill supported every Obama attempt to register guns and yet Morrisey and Hawley have barely said anything about that. As for Trump like I said before he’s using up a colossal amount of oxygen bitching and whining about Mueller when he could be trying to gin up enthusiasm by acting on immigration. Instead he sends Stephen Miller on to Fox where he proceeds to blame Obama for “harsh and cruel immigration policies”. This is political malpractice and it WILL hurt them if they don’t get their act together.

    With all that said, I agree with a previous poster that the GOPe is attempting to sabotage a good part of this election and that needs to be taken into account.

  19. Lagertha says:

    People are turning against Bolshevism.

  20. BenKenobi says:

    The only blue wave will be the one that wipes out San Francisco after Kilauea explodes.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  21. Lot says:
    @Chase

    ” I had Trump > Bernie >>>>> Any other Republican >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HRC”

    Me too. Nice to see you top choice beat the worst.

  22. Precious says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Berty is from an alternate universe where the Republicans didn’t win the 2016 election, they didn’t implement tax reform, and Trump didn’t appoint a Supreme Court justice, didn’t extract diplomatic concessions from North Korea and didn’t expose Spygate.

    We all have coping mechanisms and living in an alternate universe is Berty’s.

  23. Thomas says:

    I really wish Trump would make some effort to leave a lasting imprint on the Republican Party, or at least could listen to anyone who could tell him how to do that. He could be scaring the hell out of Republicans in Congress who need to get religion, or else ending the careers of ones who really need to be gone and elevating Trumpists (if there even were such a thing) in their place. It’d be nice if he’d ever realize that in three to five years, whatever happens, he’s not going to be in a position to personally matter anymore ever again the way he will now.

    • Replies: @IHTG
  24. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    Either Trump or his voters got played. He installed a big gaggle of Wall Streeters and Koch Brother employees/allies, then gave them the giant tax cut for the wealthy they wanted more than anything, packaged it with a tax increase on part of the upper middle class. Now the Kochs are showing their gratitude by running ads in support of Heidi Heitkamp’s reelection in ND.

    I’ve accepted this betrayal by now. Oh well. He’s better than Hillary, and Pence may end up taking his place soon.

  25. Good news from Iowa, Montana & South Dakota.
    Trumpism is consolidating its hold on the GOP:
    -Steve King easily fended off a primary challenger who attacked him from the left for being too “inflammatory”
    -Dusty Johnson won the SD primary for its 1 Congressional seat. His platform is pro-wall, & for an end to chain migration
    -Rosendale beat Fagg for the MT Senate primary slot. Rosendale’s immigration platform is Trumpian. Fagg’s website & platforms look like they’d get the stamp of approval from Kasich or !Jeb!.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  26. IHTG says:
    @Thomas

    “GOP candidates echo Trump on immigration as president transforms party in his image” https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-candidates-echo-trump-on-immigration-as-president-transforms-party-in-his-image/2018/06/03/efbfc3da-6517-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html

  27. @Barnard

    Not sure how close it was but my Iowa buddies and I laugh heartily every 2 years when we hear “this is the year!!” that the communists are going to unseat Steve King. It is hilarious, Steve is pretty much untouchable out there in super red NW Iowa. Few members of Congress make liberal/communist heads explode like Steve, who is smart as a whip, does not brook much BS, and says things like “our own white babies” that just drives SJW lunatics up the wall.

    Like I said hilarious

  28. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Its Berty. Not sure if his GRIDS or terminal case of Eeyoritis is gonna take him out first.

  29. @BenKenobi

    Stop I can only get so hard.

  30. gate666 says:
    @Anon

    dont forget that homophobia is associated with low iq.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anon87
  31. Svigor says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Is it just me, or does Newsome (sic?) look like Bale in American Psycho? Whatever; he looks like a shark.

    • LOL: Paleo Liberal
  32. Svigor says:
    @Buck Turgidson

    Maybe. I’m predicting the GOP will lose fewer seats than they did in Bush’s and Hussein’s mid-terms.

  33. @Berty

    Again wow. Do they have oxygen on your planet?

  34. @Precious

    True dat.

    It is like Truth and Tiny Duck spawned. The result: Berty.

  35. @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t know if you can possibly imagine how incompetent the Democratic Party of Wisconsin is.

    After 2008, they controlled all the statewide offices, both US senators, both houses of the state legislature, and most congressional districts in the state. And this is the state where the GOP was founded, in Ripon.

    By 2010 they were a minority party, and have been ever since.

    For the recall election, the party leadership decided it was best to run the same guy Walker beat the first time. He lost with almost exactly the same percentage.

    Then, someone running a focus group told them they could win with a female CEO. So they found a woman who was from the family that owns Trek bikes.

    First problem — her brother was the CEO, not her.

    Second problem — while her brother was running the company, she went around the world snowboarding.

    Third problem — while her brother was running the company, the company expanded, into Taiwan. No new jobs in Wisconsin.

    Fourth problem — no political experience, so she spent over $100,000 campaigning for a school board seat in Madison. Except that Madison is very unpopular in some parts of the state.

    Finally she got Bill Clinton to campaign for her, and he basically used it as a setup for Hillary’s campaign. Saying things like: “are you ready for a strong woman to run things?”

    And, this woman, Mary Burke, got almost exactly the same percentage of the vote the other guy got the first two times.

    At this point the best known candidate on the Dem side is the mayor of Madison, who once gave Fidel Castro the key to the city. The guy’s campaign is so inept they didn’t bother to register the web sites associated with his name. Instead, paulsoglin.com is run by some anti-Soglin Republicans.

    http://paulsoglin.com/

    I am not making this up.

    Thing is, I hate Walker so much I would even vote for Soglin against Walker. I think I would vote for Genghis Khan against Walker at this point. Let’s just say I truly hate the guy.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Reg Cæsar
  36. @Berty

    Look, I hate the Democrats but here’s the reality: they’re talking about issues and the GOP isn’t.

    I haven’t paid much attention but this rings true to me.

    Don’t confuse the internet outrage machine and the fake news talking points for what’s happening on the ground in the actual state and local elections. Democrat operators have wised up.

  37. Lot says:
    @Precious

    “Tax reform” that gives most of the benefits to the top 0.1% and raises taxes on the UMC in many states.

    We will see how that plays in Orange County, where all four of its GOP US House Seats could fall.

    https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/05/o-c-congressional-races-democrats-fight-to-make-november-ballot-in-4-gop-held-districts-targeted-by-national-parties/

    Steve Knight is the last GOP LA County US House member and also vulnerable.

    So it is possible that the GOP loses 5 of its 8 SoCal US House seats, leaving only Hunter, McCarthy, and Nunes.

    In any event, all 5 of these races will be close, and I think we outperformed the low expectations.

  38. @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Wait: Shouldn’t Rosendale be charged with a hate crime for beating a Fagg?

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  39. @Lot

    OK, I am a Democrat, and I am not as enthused by the results as the spin machine would want me to be.

    In one of these races, the top two Republicans combined for 48% of the vote. That means, it the GOP nominee can hold that, and get a few more votes, the GOP will hold that seat.

    In another race, the top two Republicans combined for 52% of the vote. This is what should be a solidly Republican district, but it doesn’t look like the Blue Wave is doing that much.

    That being said, be extremely careful about reading too much into what will happen in November based on what is going on in early June.

    In early June 1992, George W. Bush had a commanding lead, and Ross Perot was battling it out for second with Bill Clinton.

    In early June 2008, John McCain looked like he would beat Obama, based on the PUMA anger.

    In early June 2016, Hillary Clinton had a commanding lead, leaving Trump in the dust.

    Early June 1968 it looked like RFK would be the next president. For a few minutes at least.

    June to November is a long time in politics. The Democratic Party is notorious for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but we have no idea what Mueller will turn up between now and then. Lots of wishful thinking on both the Left and the Right, but we honestly do NOT know.

    • Replies: @Lot
  40. Precious says:
    @Lot

    “Tax reform” that gives most of the benefits to the top 0.1%

    Wrong, it also gave plenty of benefit to corporations which saw a big tax cut that allowed them to move money from other nations back to the USA. This benefited not only the 0.1% but workers for those companies who get bonuses as well as everyone that benefits from this influx of capital to the USA. What doesn’t benefit the top 0.1% is tearing up NAFTA, we should know NAFTA’s ultimate fate before the election.

    and raises taxes on the UMC in many states.

    Approximately 94% of Americans are not seeing their taxes raised, most in the middle class are seeing minor reductions. Most of the upper middle class that are seeing their taxes raised are in overwhelmingly Democratic states like California and New York which leads into your next point…

    We will see how that plays in Orange County, where all four of its GOP US House Seats could fall.

    And we will also see how this plays out in non-California states where the GOP could pick up seats. Sure, it would have been nice if Trump could have somehow shielded Orange County from seeing their taxes hiked, but US Presidents are not granted such surgical precision in the US Constitution by letting them amend Congressional bills before signing them. Tax reform made sure that Democrats in New York and California pay more to Uncle Sam, and that means less for those Democrats to spend on lunatic causes and the Democratic party. That is a price I am perfectly willing to see them pay.

    • Agree: Svigor
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Lot
  41. @Lot

    Would love to see the numbers behind your sweeping statements on taxes.

    I will accept documentation from reputable tax research sources such as BNA, CCH and RIA or the IRS itself or the AICPA, no opinion pieces from Slim or Bezo’s blogs please.

  42. @Paleo Liberal

    Let’s just say I truly hate the guy.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  43. anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Candidate in favor of abolishing ICE wins Democratic primary in New Mexico:

    http://www.newsweek.com/who-deb-haaland-new-mexico-democrat-and-ice-abolitionist-may-become-first-960711

    I’m somewhat shocked it’s already come to this, even in New Mexico.

  44. Berty says:
    @Lot

    I live in Hunter’s district but voted for Bill Wells in the hopes it would lock the Democrats out. Sadly that didn’t happen but I doubt very highly that the Democrats’ nominee (some mystery meat Obama official) will give Hunter much trouble. Hunter is a goober though with much ethical baggage so it would have benefited the party if he had retired. Same with Rohrabacher.

    I’ll probably end up voting for Kevin de Leon for Senate. Not because I like him at all but because I very much want Feinstein to finally lose.

    A bit of good news though: Tim Donnelly managed to make it to the runoff with pro-amnesty Paul Cook, making it the Democrats’ only lockout in the state.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @Lot
  45. @Jim Don Bob

    Let’s just say I truly hate the guy.

    Why?

    There are certain politicians, in both parties, who seem to see it as their job to loot their state, city, district or whatever for the benefit of their cronies and big campaign contributors.

    Scott Walker is one of the worst of these sort.

    Let me see, he set up a state agency to bring jobs to Wisconsin. They wound up basically sending a lot of money to his cronies and contributors.

    He cut taxes on the very wealthy to please his donors, then he screwed over the state workers to pay for it. I take that personally because my wife is a state worker.

    This hurts the taxpayers, because the GOOD workers leave or retire first chance they get. So the schools are suffering. Good teachers retire in droves, which leaves inexperienced teachers. I take that personally because I have kids in public schools, and the quality of teaching is going down.

    About 75% of the jobs created in Wisconsin are in the Madison area. The engine for job creation is the U of Wisconsin. So he cut the funding by $250 million, on top of other funding cuts, and gave the money to the Milwaukee Bucks. Meanwhile, he has driven out some tenured researchers who bring in millions of grant money, and who start the companies that are creating jobs in Madison. He is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. I take that personally because I live in Madison and I have a kid at U Wisconsin.

    In short, he is screwing over the state, and there are many ways I can see he has screwed over my family.

    Meanwhile, Minnesota has had MUCH better job growth, at higher salaries, with a Democratic governor who doesn’t play these games.

    I don’t like politicians, D or R, who use their office that way. I used to live in NYC. At one point we had a Democratic mayor, David Dinkins, who was looting the city for his cronies. When he ran for re-election, I voted for Giuliani against Dinkins. Doesn’t matter that I think Rudy G was a mediocrity at best, and sometimes a bit crazy. I am a Democrat, but I will vote for a Republican when the Democrat is using the office for pillage. My wife is a Republican, but she would vote for ANY Democrat in Wisconsin, the way the GOP under Walker has gone.

    • Replies: @Anon87
  46. Here in New Jersey, various Democrats are kicking themselves because corrupt US Senator Bob Menendez won his primary 62-38 against a nobody. If someone formidable had run, they would have beaten Bob.

  47. Precious says:
    @Berty

    A bit of good news though: Tim Donnelly managed to make it to the runoff with pro-amnesty Paul Cook, making it the Democrats’ only lockout in the state.

    That is good news, glad to see Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn’t a complete waste as the Governator.

  48. GOP turnout for the primary was higher than expected by some accounts and nominal by other accounts — the difference being predicted by the biases of the sources.

    Speculation about the mid-terms prior to June 12 is very ill-advised.

  49. @27 year old

    Other than hating on Whitey, Trans and homo this, and we really hate Trump and we really want to take your guns and we really want to flood the FUSA with non-whites and we are really micro-aggressed and we really want to shut down any speaker to the right of Trotsky, etc., what the hell are the Dems talking about?

    • Replies: @Berty
  50. Berty says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Try paying attention to actual political campaigns sometimes, dumbass.

  51. Svigor says:
    @gate666

    Correlation is not causation; any leftist swine will tell you that.

  52. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    “Tax reform” that gives most of the benefits to the top 0.1% and raises taxes on the UMC in many states.

    Sez who? (((Big Media)))?

    • Replies: @Lot
  53. Lot says:
    @Precious

    The increase for many of my neighbors will be small, that’s not really the issue. The issue is to raise anyone’s taxes in the 200k AGI range when billionaires get a cut.

    “overwhelmingly Democratic states like California and New York”

    In areas that elect Republicans to the House. The same money could have come from cutting Section 8 type stuff. Instead it went to tax GOP voters.

    Also, how to billionaires vote? I’d guess a lot more for Dems than OC families who make 250k.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @res
  54. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    You realize giant tax cuts for the wealthy are very disproportionately received by Jews?

    I admire you putting your principled commitment to objectivism/libertarianism/Austrian economics ahead of your countersemitism. Larry Kudlow and Paul Ryan might offer you a medal!

    Info on distribution of the cut here:

    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/full

    Top 0.1% get 59.8% of the permanent portion of the tax cut and a mere 7.9% of it in 2018, which is on average a tax cut of $193,000 for each top 0.1%er.

  55. Lot says:
    @Berty

    Hunter is thankfully safe. Funny with all his family money he lives in Lemon Grove.

  56. Lot says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Usually the GOP turns out more in off year primaries. While no GOP seat here is a goner, 52% in a primary probably means less than 50% in November.

    For example, I am usually a GOP voter who has been on the permanent vote by mail list for a long time, and I have not missed a single election in 10 years. Lots of old white Republicans in the state with this pattern.

  57. Lot says:
    @Precious

    Corporate tax cuts go to the human beings who own the corporations. This is overwhelmingly the very rich, whose share of corporate income, captial gains, and dividends is much higher than their share of labor income.

  58. Anon87 says:
    @gate666

    Sure, in that most of society has disapproved of it throughout history, so I guess that includes more lower IQ people just in pure numbers. Doesn’t change the fact that it has been considered abnormal behavior except for the last 10 or so years, thanks to the big leftist demand for mainstreaming.

  59. Anon87 says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    No offense to you personally, but “screwing over” state workers seems like a decent idea to me. I certainly can’t speak for WI, but where I come from it’s not exactly the best and brightest.

  60. Precious says:

    Corporate tax cuts go to the human beings who own the corporations.

    …and to the employees that work for those corporations. Those employees are “working class” and the money they receive due to those tax cuts are “bonuses” or “pay increases” issued in what are called “paychecks”.

    Last I checked there were over 3 million Americans who have benefited from the corporate tax cuts you keep talking down.

    This is overwhelmingly the very rich

    Wrong again, there are not 3 million overwhelmingly rich people in the USA. You said the top 0.1%. There are roughly 325 million people in the US, so let’s do the math. The top 0.1% is 325,000, so that leaves 2,675,000 “working class” people who have benefited from Trump’s corporate tax cuts that you keep trying to sweep under your proletarian carpet.

    • Replies: @Lot
  61. Precious says:
    @Lot

    The increase for many of my neighbors will be small, that’s not really the issue. The issue is to raise anyone’s taxes in the 200k AGI range when billionaires get a cut

    And why in particular would that be an issue?

    In areas that elect Republicans to the House. The same money could have come from cutting Section 8 type stuff. Instead it went to tax GOP voters

    And Democratic party voters.

    Also, how to billionaires vote? I’d guess a lot more for Dems than OC families who make 250k.

    Sure, you are correct about that. Orange County Republican voters got screwed, along with many more Democratic party voters in California and New York. But let’s check something…

    Hillary Clinton lost the White House, but she managed to do something no Democrat has done since the Great Depression: win Orange County, a bastion of conservatism. Clinton beat Donald Trump by nearly five percentage points, or 39,000 votes, in the county, which is a national symbol for the GOP

    There is a lesson to be learned there, never-Trump can cost you.

  62. @Berty

    The adverts for Gavin Newsome (D – Mexinchifornia) are all about how sweetly he sodomised people’s rights to firearms, and I’m pretty sure his is an “actual campaign.” Many other such “actual campaigns” also fit The Preferred’s points, so ignore he is a dumbass, he is a perspicacious one.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @GMantis
  63. Lot says:
    @Precious

    Wages are set by labor market forces, which are only indirectly affected by corporate tax rates. In particular, the corporations that have monopolies or monopoly power do not change their behavior much in response to tax rates.

    Trump could have and should have used his entire tax cut for the middle class. Instead they get crumbs while the elites, already with soaring incomes and soaring asset prices, also get a huge tax cut.

    Remember Paul Ryan tweeting his story about the waitress whose tax cut was $90 and was going to use it to pay her costco member fee? That’s why we are getting clobbered in most of the special and off year elections when our opponents are increasingly open about hating whitey.

    • Replies: @Precious
  64. @Berty

    Political campaigns are paid lies. I pay attention to what they actually do. Dumbass. Geez, are you really that dense? Really?

  65. @Lot

    Are taxes paid by corporations included in the price they charge for their goods and services? Who buys their goods and services? Also, C corporations do not have capital gains rate they pay the regular tax on capital gains.

    There are many middle class folks who hold corporate stock in their 401k.

    Very few people making $200K are going to see their Fed income tax increase, most are going to see a decrease.

    There is still tons of regulations the Treasury Department needs to issue this year for flow-through entities and sole proprietors. And I do mean tons.

    • Replies: @Lot
  66. @Paleo Liberal

    I attribute Walker and Trump’s victories in Wisconsin to Dick Pearson’s hay wagon on I-94 outside Hudson. Tens of thousands of Badger Staters pass it every day coming home from their jobs in Big Swampy next door.

    • Replies: @fnn
  67. Berty says:

    It’s disappointing how so many self-described “race realists” on iSteve revert to standard GOPe orthodoxy whenever it comes to taxes.

    • Replies: @Precious
  68. Lot says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Whether taxes are passed to consumers depends on the corporation’s market power and supply and demand elasticity. This is a well studied area of economics.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

    In practice in the USA, corporate taxes are mostly paid by the owners of corporations, not their customers, since corporate income is mostly earned by various near monopolies. That’s why we didn’t have a sudden bout of deflation when the tax cut was passed. They were not passing on those corporate taxes before.

  69. Lot says:
    @Autochthon

    I was surprised how much the direct mail ads flooding my box the last few weeks were about how Dem X hates guns but Dem Y his opponent “votes with the NRA 54% of the time”

    Good issue I suppose in that gun grabbing is popular with billionaires.

  70. Precious says:
    @Lot

    Wages are set by labor market forces, which are only indirectly affected by corporate tax rates. In particular, the corporations that have monopolies or monopoly power do not change their behavior much in response to tax rates.

    ^Shot.

    A growing number of companies benefiting from tax cuts are showing their employees the money. One-time cash bonuses are the most popular way companies are sharing the windfall they expect from paying less in taxes. Many employers are boosting hourly pay. And a small number say they will increase matching contributions to workers’ 401(k) plans. Walmart is the latest to join their ranks. The retail giant has announcedThursday it plans to boost the starting pay for hourly workers to $11 and pay up to $1,000 in a one-time cash bonus to eligible associates based on seniority.

    ^Chaser.

    Trump could have and should have used his entire tax cut for the middle class. Instead they get crumbs

    Spare me the Nancy Pelosi talking points.

    Remember Paul Ryan tweeting his story about the waitress

    No because I don’t pay attention to him, but I do remember asking you a question and I notice you haven’t answered it.

    That’s why we are getting clobbered in most of the special and off year elections

    Clobbered by a blue ripple? Republicans outnumbered Democrats 2-1 this week in Alabama and Mississippi.

  71. @Lot

    Public corporations (I’m not talking special vehicles like MLPs) are C Corporations. Any corporate income taxes are actually paid directly by the corporate entity. Not shareholders (which again many middle-class people own corporate stocks). Any dividends paid by the corporation on income that has already been taxed is then taxed again at the individual rate and paid by the individual. If the dividend is a qualified dividend there is a lower tax rate applied to this dividend.

    If you don’t think taxes get passed on, that corporations just absorb that cost, well ok.

    Bottom line, we don’t have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. And anyone arguing for more taxes…

  72. fnn says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, isn’t the disaster in Illinois a big reason why Wisconsin turned right?

    • Replies: @Berty
  73. res says:
    @Lot

    The increase for many of my neighbors will be small, that’s not really the issue. The issue is to raise anyone’s taxes in the 200k AGI range when billionaires get a cut.

    My perception is that was a shot at the residents of high tax and highly Democratic states like CA and NY (by changing handling of standardized and itemized deductions). Does that match what you see?

    P.S. The focus on tax cuts uber alles is one of the things which turns me off most from the Republican party. I think the Laffer curve is real, but no one really knows where the maximum is. And I am very sure it is not at a 0% tax rate ; ).

    The infographic at https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/ gives a good look at tax rates over the years (but does not really account for changes in deduction policies or capital gains differences). I wonder what it looks like with the Trump tax cuts added.

  74. GMantis says:
    @Autochthon

    In California gun control is very popular, so this is really a good example of a sound campaign.

  75. Precious says:
    @Berty

    It’s disappointing how so many self-described “race realists” on iSteve revert to standard GOPe orthodoxy whenever it comes to taxes.

    Nope, I just checked all the comments one more time, and no one here is advocating a special tax break for their corporate sponsor.

  76. Berty says:
    @fnn

    No, the reason is that rural Democrats in western WI finally followed the trend of similar states and no longer vote D in the numbers they did. Still, they’re open to going back.

    I used to support Nicholson but now I think Vukmir would be the stronger candidate.

  77. @Autochthon

    Lol.
    Isn’t a fagg also a bundle of sticks? The guy must be stubborn or naive. Post 1960, how does someone expect to glide thru life with such an awkward sounding name, esp knowing what ur kids would have to endure. Change one letter and no more snickers…
    >Fogg
    >Figg
    >Fage
    >Lagg
    >Jagg

  78. MBlanc46 says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I’m not surprised that you’re embarrassed to be a Dem. But it’s not an unalterable condition. You can change.

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