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Here’s the Google Translate of the page for the Swedish bestseller “Mass Challenge” about immigration by economist Tino Sanandaji:

Mass Challenge

by Tino Sanandaji
DANISH BAND , Swedish, 2017
295 SEK

Most Swedes have great goodwill and tolerance towards immigrants, and wish that immigration could have done better. Sweden’s experiments with large-scale immigration from the third world to a welfare state has been unique in its scope but have in many respects failed. Sweden’s social problems today is increasingly concentrated in the part of the population has an immigrant background. Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent. Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms, 54 percent of the unemployed and the group receives 60 per cent of the paid social benefits. 71 percent of the country’s child poverty among households with a foreign background, while 76 percent of the members of criminal gangs have invandrarbakgrund.

… Since the early 1990s, they have an immigrant background accounted for half of the increase in the proportion of low-income people, more than half of the reduction of powers among pupils leaving primary school, about two-thirds of the increase in social assistance and more than one hundred percent of the increase in unemployment – which dropped from Swedish born. Problems such as throwing stones at police and rescue personnel and arson are also highly concentrated in immigrant areas. It is important to develop concrete actions that give all immigrants Sweden has received a place in Swedish society. This in turn requires a sincere and evidence-driven analysis of how Sweden got here …

Tino Sanandaji have Kurdish background and was born in Iran in 1980. He came to Sweden at the age of 9 with his brother and their parents . He took an MBA at Stockholm School of Economics in 2004, a PhD in Public Policy at the University of Chicago in 2011 and has since conducted research in economics.

And here’s a recent interview with him in English.

 
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  1. I guessed he must be foreign. An indigenous Swedish economist would be risking his career by making such comments.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Philippe Lemoine
    If I'm not mistaken, his family is Kurdish.
  2. No surprises from the quoted text. I read about a similar study in Denmark. Pretty much the same. Except that nativist feeling was much stronger than in Sweden.

    Denmark has an anti-immigrant party and they have had some success. Laws to discourage men from importing foreign women for their wives were passed, as the Danes felt that with the import wife strategy, every generation would be partly immigrant. If I recall, some of elected officials are based on proportional representation, not first-pass-the-post.

    Not sure why the Swedes have been so hysterical on the subject.

    At the rate they’re going, they’ll be trying “to close the gap” ad infinitum. Sixty years hasn’t stopped Americans!

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I have Swedish relatives so they feel comfortable talking to me about how they feel about immigration as I am family. They are all deeply alarmed but dare not say so publicly, indeed it both does and doesn't surprise me how fast a political party like the Swedish Democrats has grown in popularity. Although I should note my family are Smalanders so tend to the right politically anyway, they despised Olof Palme.

    The best book on Sweden is Roland Huntford's 'The New Totalitarians'. This 'soft' left dictatorship has proven so much more successful than the openly totalitarian Communist one and is I believe the blueprint for most of the modern left across the West. Although I myself consider Sweden an Eastern European country, along with Finland, whereas Denmark and Norway are Western and have more open societies where there has been a lot more open debate regarding immigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians
  3. And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden’s foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden’s foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they’re racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don’t get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don’t even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    • Replies: @JerryC

    But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.
     
    Scandinavian welfare states are successful if you have a country full of Scandinavians. The US never did, and soon Sweden won't.
    , @MarkinLA
    While in all likelihood Sweden’s foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Not likely. These people come from places in the third world where tribalism counts the most. How many generations of Pakis do you have in Britain where the parents still don't want their daughters becoming westernized? These people come from a culture where you lie and cheat as much as you can to members of the out-group and the government agencies are the biggest out-group around. They will be a drain on the system until it collapses.
    , @TheJester
    My wife and I traveled extensively in Sweden in the 1970s visiting relatives (her grandparents came from Sweden). Then, it was without question the cleanest country we've ever set foot in (cleaner than Germany) ... and that perception was about Malmo, parts of which are now immigrant slums if I can believe the media.

    Then ... a country populated by order-obsessed Scandinavians.

    Now ... a country being overrun by clan-based Muslim immigrants from the Middle East.

    The Swedes tend to excuse the impact of immigration on Swedish society. It's racist to be anti-immigrant or keep statistics on the crimes they commit. Anyway, if opening their borders to Muslim immigrants was a poorly thought-through policy, what can they do about it now? They can't do anything about it. The immigrants aren't going anywhere ... so they make the best of the situation by pretending the problems don't exist.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Swedish MP Kent Ekeroth would beg to differ that "the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4LtSgOeao
    , @Daniel Chieh

    how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.
     
    Even their success is questionable; its boosted by basically not having a defense budget thanks to NATO and one of the lowest rates of growth, innovation or really any business at all. In some ways, its a large retirement home. Finland's economy is basically toxic at this point, and incapable of being reformed due to expectations of the population.
  4. “He took an MBA at Stockholm School of Economics in 2004.”

    Although both usages are seen, women and minorities seem always “take” their degrees, rather than “receive” them. They wrest them from oppressive hands by their sheer merit in the face of discrimination, instead of “receiving” them as part of a communal process. The humble participant in a communal project receives instruction and its recognition of completion, but the revolutionary violently extracts it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's Google Translate, dude.
    , @Jack D
    You say "take a degree" in British English.
    , @dearieme
    Pah! I'll worry when Goggle Translate says "he wrested a degree ....".
  5. Doesn’t the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    Doesn’t the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    NO.

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    You do know that Muzzies got their noses under the homeland tents of Britain and France because the British and French armies enlisted large large numbers of them to fight WWII and even WWI?
    , @Anonymous

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.
     
    Libtardation. Do you mean Russia? So stupid. Read Giraldi's piece on the front page of Unz.com.

    And Kurds are considered good fighters because they got their reputation from fighting Arabs. Kind of like being the smartest kid with Down Syndrome.
    , @Crawfurdmuir
    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia ("a larger nearby country against which it fought before"). Perhaps they envision a reprise of the Great Northern War between Charles XII and Peter the Great. What help the Kurds might be, who can say?

    In the mean time McCain, Graham, and the Democrats seem to want a reprise of the Crimean War. McCain, ranked 894th in his class at Annapolis, rather reminds me of the seventh Earl Cardigan, of whom Wikipedia remarks that "his progression through the Army was marked by many episodes of extraordinary incompetence." In the second iteration of Balaclava it will be "Ours not to reason why..."
    , @inertial
    Does Sweden have a piece of land that's populated by Russians, that's been part of Russia for 250 years, and that was trying to return to Russia for the last 25 year? If not, then Sweden is pretty safe from the dreaded Russian aggression. Although it may need its Kurdish Janissaries to fight against the Malmo Wilayat of ISIS.
    , @Frau Katze
    I'd say that the author is the son of people who couldn't stand living under Ayatollah Khomeini.

    It's almost 100% certain they were NOT Islamic fanatics.

    If they had been but were the "wrong" kind of fanatic in the eyes of Khomeini they would at the very least have given their son an Islamic name, which they did not do.

    So it appears that parents were intelligent, educated people, and it is no big surprise that this son is also intelligent and educated.

    A very short trip to Google reveals he has a brother, who, surprise surprise, is also intelligent and educated and has written several books. He doesn't have an Islamic name either.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Overreliance on mercenaries has historically been to the detriment of their hosts.
  6. Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent.

    Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born. And probably they have a younger skew than the indigenous Swedes.

    Goodbye Sweden.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born."
    Australia was at 25% foreign born in 2007.
    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Overseas%20born%20population%20(3.6)
    Add in 200,000 per year since then and it's close to 30%.
    , @Kyle McKenna

    Goodbye Sweden.
     
    The vast majority of Swedes are in favor of the destruction of their nation. Their MSM have been promoting the idea for decades. Despite the USA's vastly inferior demographics, we've actually got a better chance at surviving, if we but take it.

    But we're at an inflection point, only because Donald Trump is our president. Otherwise our inflection point passed by a number of years ago. You don't need me to tell you that our MSM (and their owners) will fight tooth-and-nail as we've seen this past month, with mere hundreds of migrants in question.

    We not only need to stop most immigration, we need to reverse a lot of it. The slim likelihood of this happening tells you that the inflection point I mentioned is really one in theory only. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong about that.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    The Derb said on one of his podcasts that 60 million people in the USA are foreign born. That's about 20%.
  7. @Pensans
    "He took an MBA at Stockholm School of Economics in 2004."

    Although both usages are seen, women and minorities seem always "take" their degrees, rather than "receive" them. They wrest them from oppressive hands by their sheer merit in the face of discrimination, instead of "receiving" them as part of a communal process. The humble participant in a communal project receives instruction and its recognition of completion, but the revolutionary violently extracts it.

    It’s Google Translate, dude.

    • LOL: Opinionator
    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Yo Dude!

    Yo Dude !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEIRtcnXiXw
    , @International Jew
    Steve, your loyal readers deserve better than Google Translate. If you asked for it, I'm sure you'd get plenty of standing offers to translate from Swedish, French, Hebrew etc.
    , @jtgw
    You've remarked before that Google techs may manipulate search results to promote PC. Perhaps Translate has fallen, too?
    , @Autochthon
    I always smile at Steve's Californianisms such as this one. It's one of the most endearing things about native Californians, one I most related to and adopted when I moved here, and one I'll miss most when I leave. More so, when Steve's, the last generation of Californians, is completely displaced by the invaders in another twenty years or so.
  8. “invandrarbakgrund” – in-wanderer-background. I’m creeped out by the improvements in machine translation though. If it ever gets perfect, not just translators will be obsolete, but humans in general. It’s a high-level task. Also very general, the opposite of a narrow task like playing chess.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I was a co-blogger on a site for 2 years (after 2 years I was finding the news too depressing to read) and a frequent user of both Google and Bing translate.

    I noticed something odd. Both translators easily handled Scandinavian languages but were terrible translating the closely related German.

    I think it is the word order in German. To an English speaker it's just plain weird.
  9. @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    Doesn’t the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    NO.

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    You do know that Muzzies got their noses under the homeland tents of Britain and France because the British and French armies enlisted large large numbers of them to fight WWII and even WWI?

    • Replies: @Alden
    First mosque in France was built for WW1 Arab Muslim veterans who settled in France.
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    Libtardation. Do you mean Russia? So stupid. Read Giraldi’s piece on the front page of Unz.com.

    And Kurds are considered good fighters because they got their reputation from fighting Arabs. Kind of like being the smartest kid with Down Syndrome.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  11. @Steve Sailer
    It's Google Translate, dude.

    Yo Dude!

    Yo Dude !

  12. @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia (“a larger nearby country against which it fought before”). Perhaps they envision a reprise of the Great Northern War between Charles XII and Peter the Great. What help the Kurds might be, who can say?

    In the mean time McCain, Graham, and the Democrats seem to want a reprise of the Crimean War. McCain, ranked 894th in his class at Annapolis, rather reminds me of the seventh Earl Cardigan, of whom Wikipedia remarks that “his progression through the Army was marked by many episodes of extraordinary incompetence.” In the second iteration of Balaclava it will be “Ours not to reason why…”

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren't admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    , @Olorin

    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia
     
    Aw lord. Somebody please warn Finland.

    For how many centuries now has she been the DMZ between the Turnipheads and The Neighbor....

    , @Harry Baldwin
    I am so sick of seeing the views of John McCain and Lindsey Graham accorded such prominence. I grudgingly acknowledge that McCain throws some weight in DC, with his seniority and having been his party's presidential candidate, but why Graham? He's like a little remora sticking to the side of the shark, McCain. He got barely one percent of the vote in the primaries. Who cares what he thinks?

    BTW, I notice that Limbaugh has been subtly referring to Graham's effeminacy lately, though I can't recall the adjective he used.
  13. Assimilation — the new sin that dare not speak its name: https://goo.gl/La1b4K

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    When President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visits "his" Turks abroad in Germany he holds rallies that are well attended.

    At one point he said that under no circumstances were they to try to assimilate (an outrageous idea! Maybe an international crime!).

    He sees them as a type of colony, and the last thing he wants is to lose them to assimilation.

    He openly preaches the Islamic duty to emigrate and spead Islam (he's a whackjob Muslim, believes they discovered North America before Columbus).

    They hold dual citizenship and vote in Turkish elections.

    Germans just put up with it. The West has become a doormat for aggressive Islamists.

  14. @Steve Sailer
    It's Google Translate, dude.

    Steve, your loyal readers deserve better than Google Translate. If you asked for it, I’m sure you’d get plenty of standing offers to translate from Swedish, French, Hebrew etc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Google translate has gotten pretty good. They have made breakthrus in AI. Even without knowing Swedish I could clean up that translation to be perfect - it's already 90+% correct.

    I don't know why it couldn't translate invandrarbakgrund (immigrant background) in one spot when it got it right in others.
    , @benjaminl
    NYT article on this topic:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/magazine/the-great-ai-awakening.html?_r=0
  15. @Guy de Champlagne
    And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden's foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden's foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they're racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don't get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don't even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    Scandinavian welfare states are successful if you have a country full of Scandinavians. The US never did, and soon Sweden won’t.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @black sea
    As Milton Friedman once said to an economist who had boasted of Scandinavia's nearly non-existent rate of poverty, ‘That’s interesting, because in America, among Scandinavians, we have no poverty, either."
  16. @Luke Lea
    Assimilation -- the new sin that dare not speak its name: https://goo.gl/La1b4K

    When President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visits “his” Turks abroad in Germany he holds rallies that are well attended.

    At one point he said that under no circumstances were they to try to assimilate (an outrageous idea! Maybe an international crime!).

    He sees them as a type of colony, and the last thing he wants is to lose them to assimilation.

    He openly preaches the Islamic duty to emigrate and spead Islam (he’s a whackjob Muslim, believes they discovered North America before Columbus).

    They hold dual citizenship and vote in Turkish elections.

    Germans just put up with it. The West has become a doormat for aggressive Islamists.

  17. Book on the future Sweden: “The nation that built a hornet’s nest. “

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Fantastic!

    Chapeau.
  18. @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    Does Sweden have a piece of land that’s populated by Russians, that’s been part of Russia for 250 years, and that was trying to return to Russia for the last 25 year? If not, then Sweden is pretty safe from the dreaded Russian aggression. Although it may need its Kurdish Janissaries to fight against the Malmo Wilayat of ISIS.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    Hahhah, great answer to this neocon/CIA/Euro-Russophobe/whatever troll... CONGRATS!
  19. @Steve Sailer
    It's Google Translate, dude.

    You’ve remarked before that Google techs may manipulate search results to promote PC. Perhaps Translate has fallen, too?

  20. @International Jew
    Steve, your loyal readers deserve better than Google Translate. If you asked for it, I'm sure you'd get plenty of standing offers to translate from Swedish, French, Hebrew etc.

    Google translate has gotten pretty good. They have made breakthrus in AI. Even without knowing Swedish I could clean up that translation to be perfect – it’s already 90+% correct.

    I don’t know why it couldn’t translate invandrarbakgrund (immigrant background) in one spot when it got it right in others.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I don’t know why it couldn’t translate invandrarbakgrund (immigrant background) in one spot when it got it right in others.

    Their word for "immigrant" bears a striking resemblance to "invader."

    Maybe Google didn't want to "go there." ;)

  21. Steve, this is what you get for relying on unreliable sources like Google Translate instead of getting all your news from the NY Times. I just read there today that everything is fine in Sweden, crime is falling, Trump is making stuff up like he usually does. I’m sure the NY Times would never lie to us, would they?

  22. @Pensans
    "He took an MBA at Stockholm School of Economics in 2004."

    Although both usages are seen, women and minorities seem always "take" their degrees, rather than "receive" them. They wrest them from oppressive hands by their sheer merit in the face of discrimination, instead of "receiving" them as part of a communal process. The humble participant in a communal project receives instruction and its recognition of completion, but the revolutionary violently extracts it.

    You say “take a degree” in British English.

  23. @Guy de Champlagne
    And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden's foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden's foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they're racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don't get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don't even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    While in all likelihood Sweden’s foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Not likely. These people come from places in the third world where tribalism counts the most. How many generations of Pakis do you have in Britain where the parents still don’t want their daughters becoming westernized? These people come from a culture where you lie and cheat as much as you can to members of the out-group and the government agencies are the biggest out-group around. They will be a drain on the system until it collapses.

    • Agree: IA
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I can't "agree" because the rules of the site won't let me (once per hour), but I DO very much agree.
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    Worse than American blacks in the long term on a per capita basis?
  24. @Crawfurdmuir
    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia ("a larger nearby country against which it fought before"). Perhaps they envision a reprise of the Great Northern War between Charles XII and Peter the Great. What help the Kurds might be, who can say?

    In the mean time McCain, Graham, and the Democrats seem to want a reprise of the Crimean War. McCain, ranked 894th in his class at Annapolis, rather reminds me of the seventh Earl Cardigan, of whom Wikipedia remarks that "his progression through the Army was marked by many episodes of extraordinary incompetence." In the second iteration of Balaclava it will be "Ours not to reason why..."

    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren’t admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's pretty close to what Sen. McCain's father and grandfather were during the Vietnam and Pacific Wars, respectively.
    , @Desiderius

    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren’t admirals.
     
    Less of a pissant?

    Likely so.
    , @Bill
    Isn't it common for general staff to get an extra star right before retirement? Or did I dream it?
    , @Autochthon
    It's not "about as high" – it is. Nimitz was the last fleet admiral commissioned in the U.S.A.
  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “while 76 percent of the members of criminal gangs have invandrarbakgrund.”

    invader background. Now that is an interesting term we should adopt for our brothers from another mother here in the US. Certainly puts the truth right out there for everyone to see, as opposed to b.s. nonsense like “undocumented”, which just pretends the only problem going on is that they happened to have misplaced their visa somewhere, like an absent-minded, harmless, old grandmother.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    In-vandr. The kin word for "vandr" is "wander."

    "Invade" is from Latin, and I'm not just sure whether the "vad" part is also kin to "wander."
  26. @Opinionator
    Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent.

    Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born. And probably they have a younger skew than the indigenous Swedes.

    Goodbye Sweden.

    “Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born.”
    Australia was at 25% foreign born in 2007.
    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Overseas%20born%20population%20(3.6)
    Add in 200,000 per year since then and it’s close to 30%.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    Yeah, but Australia chooses who gets to settle. Though at least one recent choice was lunatic.
  27. @Opinionator
    Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent.

    Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born. And probably they have a younger skew than the indigenous Swedes.

    Goodbye Sweden.

    Goodbye Sweden.

    The vast majority of Swedes are in favor of the destruction of their nation. Their MSM have been promoting the idea for decades. Despite the USA’s vastly inferior demographics, we’ve actually got a better chance at surviving, if we but take it.

    But we’re at an inflection point, only because Donald Trump is our president. Otherwise our inflection point passed by a number of years ago. You don’t need me to tell you that our MSM (and their owners) will fight tooth-and-nail as we’ve seen this past month, with mere hundreds of migrants in question.

    We not only need to stop most immigration, we need to reverse a lot of it. The slim likelihood of this happening tells you that the inflection point I mentioned is really one in theory only. I’d love nothing more than to be wrong about that.

  28. @Rob McX
    I guessed he must be foreign. An indigenous Swedish economist would be risking his career by making such comments.

    If I’m not mistaken, his family is Kurdish.

  29. I wish this book were available in English. His brother, Nima, wrote a very good book on the alleged virtues of Scandinavian social-democracy (http://iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/Sanandajinima-interactive.pdf), about which I plan to say a few words on my blog this weekend.

  30. “..while 76 percent of the members of criminal gangs have invandrarbakgrund.”

    Duh !

  31. @MarkinLA
    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren't admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    That’s pretty close to what Sen. McCain’s father and grandfather were during the Vietnam and Pacific Wars, respectively.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I don't think the Vietnam War was considered worthy of 5 star generals or admirals. Maybe grandfather McCain was there during the WWII such that he could have achieved 5 star status but (I think) in the navy that was much more rare than 5 star generals. I think only Nimitz and Halsey made it to 5 star admirals. I don't think there was any 5 star admiral in the Atlantic.
  32. @Jack D
    Google translate has gotten pretty good. They have made breakthrus in AI. Even without knowing Swedish I could clean up that translation to be perfect - it's already 90+% correct.

    I don't know why it couldn't translate invandrarbakgrund (immigrant background) in one spot when it got it right in others.

    I don’t know why it couldn’t translate invandrarbakgrund (immigrant background) in one spot when it got it right in others.

    Their word for “immigrant” bears a striking resemblance to “invader.”

    Maybe Google didn’t want to “go there.” 😉

  33. A Swedish library refuses to carry this book

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/20/library-bans-factual-book-immigration/

    A library in Sweden’s capital is refusing to stock Kurdish economist Tino Sanandaji’s “sincere and evidence-driven analysis” of the country’s immigration policy because the book ‘supports racism’.

    An examination into the results of mass migration to Sweden over recent decades, ‘Mass Challenge’ was topping Sweden’s book charts within days of its release earlier this month.

    Sanandaji’s analysis of the nation’s large-scale importation of people from the third world, the resulting social problems and the effects on Sweden’s economy, is based on facts sourced from Statistics Sweden, the National Crime Prevention Council, the National Board of Health and other mainstream and respected agencies.

    But local media reports that Swedes who are wanting to borrow a copy of the chart-topping book from their local library are running into difficulties, with librarians rejecting Mass Challenge for political reasons.

    Nina Sundberg at Stockholm’s Ekero library, which is refusing to stock Sanandaji’s new book, argues that libraries should only purchase books which are politically correct.

    “Library collections should be characterized by diversity and pluralism. The goal is to not buy books that support racism, persecution, gender stereotypes or anything else that’s contrary to human rights”, wrote the librarian, explaining the facility’s motivation in rejecting Mass Challenge.

    • Replies: @Escher
    These fools have a massive blind phobia against diversity of thought. All other kinds are welcome.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The crimestop is strong with this one.
  34. The English language interview of Tino that you liked to is the most devastating indictment of the Swedish mismanagement on migration that I have ever read. He’s cool, calm, factual – and he is a successful immigrant himself. Wow. I have to get hold of his book.
    Steve, call on this guy when you need some extra facts or insights, he is gold.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Indeed he is.
  35. @Peter Marais
    The English language interview of Tino that you liked to is the most devastating indictment of the Swedish mismanagement on migration that I have ever read. He's cool, calm, factual - and he is a successful immigrant himself. Wow. I have to get hold of his book.
    Steve, call on this guy when you need some extra facts or insights, he is gold.

    Indeed he is.

  36. @International Jew
    Steve, your loyal readers deserve better than Google Translate. If you asked for it, I'm sure you'd get plenty of standing offers to translate from Swedish, French, Hebrew etc.
  37. @JerryC

    But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.
     
    Scandinavian welfare states are successful if you have a country full of Scandinavians. The US never did, and soon Sweden won't.

    As Milton Friedman once said to an economist who had boasted of Scandinavia’s nearly non-existent rate of poverty, ‘That’s interesting, because in America, among Scandinavians, we have no poverty, either.”

  38. @MarkinLA
    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren't admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren’t admirals.

    Less of a pissant?

    Likely so.

  39. An interesting part of this article is the author’s mentioning that white flight may be an even bigger issue in Sweden than in the US (once a city or town becomes more than 4 percent non-Swedish, native Swedes start moving out). There seems to be a very big disconnect between the liberal political views of Swedes and their instinctive racial conservatism.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms

    Oh yeah?

    nyheteridag.se/sarnecki-jag-ar-mer-kompetent-an-tino/

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book “Mass Challenge,” is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. – I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms

    Oh yeah?

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book “Mass Challenge,” is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. – I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    Previously Sarnecki emphasized that it is primarily socio-economic factors that influence crime, than the group currently are immigrants.

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased, it thus is not a correlation between immigration and crime. But it Sanandaji respond by quoting the economist Robert Östling, who also reviewed the book “Mass Challenge”.

    “Sarneckis objection is common among the elderly trained sociologists, but something modern trained economists immediately understand is wrong. Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories, and this shows why it may be necessary interdisciplinary perspective although I obviously not a criminologist,” concludes Sanandaji their Facebook posts.

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Polish?
    , @Anonymous
    Sarencki -- gee, still wondering what kind of name that is -- at the University of Stockholm appears in various Swedish media outlets as their go-to criminologist:

    Heated debate between Mattias Karlsson and Jerzy Sarnecki in SVT's Agenda

    In parliament, the Sweden Democrats demanded that the National Crime Prevention Council (BRA) makes a new survey on the percentage of the crimes of foreign-born behind.

    ...

    According to Jerzy Sarnecki there is no lack of knowledge. Since 1974, 24 studies of this type have been made. He admitted, however, that since 2005 has been no new survey.

    ...

    Mattias Karlsson Jerzy Sarnecki accused of having acted as Swedish kriminologis "Baghdad Bob" including over sexual abuse of festivals with Swedish midsummer celebration. Sarnecki, according to Mattias Karlsson, for years "tried to deny, beautify and dark problems of immigration and crime."
     

    Sarnecki elsewhere on -- you guessed it -- structural racism:

    This means that the space for the kind of structural discrimination described above is relatively large and that this can have a great significance for different groups overrepresented among crime suspects.

     

    Sarnecki on the causes of violence against Swedes:

    - It is difficult to assess the vulnerability is due to ethnicity or other factors just as when dealing with harassment in the other direction, says criminologist Jerzy Sarnecky.

    And an aversion to dogs that are in some Mediterranean countries may be a contributing factor to the problems.

    - Several of my friends from the Middle East, even Christians, hate and are afraid of dogs.
     

    Baghdad Bob indeed.

    One wonders if the Swedes actually came up with stuff themselves and aren't just particularly susceptible to certain mind viruses created by others...

    , @Bill

    Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories
     
    What an awesome phrase. From context, it seems like "has snowed in on" means something like become frozen in time or become obsolete due to ossification or something like that. Is this right?
    , @MarkinLA
    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased,

    This assumes that once the immigrant gets here he starts committing crimes at the rate of previous members of his group. Of course that isn't true. The immigrant arrives and sees the lay of the land and attaches himself to the existing criminal order. This takes a certain amount of time - especially when you are being supported by welfare and don't need to turn to crime immediately.
  42. @Anonymous

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms
     
    Oh yeah?

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book "Mass Challenge," is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. - I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    ...

    Previously Sarnecki emphasized that it is primarily socio-economic factors that influence crime, than the group currently are immigrants.

    ...

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased, it thus is not a correlation between immigration and crime. But it Sanandaji respond by quoting the economist Robert Östling, who also reviewed the book "Mass Challenge".

    ...

    "Sarneckis objection is common among the elderly trained sociologists, but something modern trained economists immediately understand is wrong. Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories, and this shows why it may be necessary interdisciplinary perspective although I obviously not a criminologist," concludes Sanandaji their Facebook posts.
     

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

    Polish?

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms
     
    Oh yeah?

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book "Mass Challenge," is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. - I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    ...

    Previously Sarnecki emphasized that it is primarily socio-economic factors that influence crime, than the group currently are immigrants.

    ...

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased, it thus is not a correlation between immigration and crime. But it Sanandaji respond by quoting the economist Robert Östling, who also reviewed the book "Mass Challenge".

    ...

    "Sarneckis objection is common among the elderly trained sociologists, but something modern trained economists immediately understand is wrong. Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories, and this shows why it may be necessary interdisciplinary perspective although I obviously not a criminologist," concludes Sanandaji their Facebook posts.
     

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

    Sarencki — gee, still wondering what kind of name that is — at the University of Stockholm appears in various Swedish media outlets as their go-to criminologist:

    Heated debate between Mattias Karlsson and Jerzy Sarnecki in SVT’s Agenda

    In parliament, the Sweden Democrats demanded that the National Crime Prevention Council (BRA) makes a new survey on the percentage of the crimes of foreign-born behind.

    According to Jerzy Sarnecki there is no lack of knowledge. Since 1974, 24 studies of this type have been made. He admitted, however, that since 2005 has been no new survey.

    Mattias Karlsson Jerzy Sarnecki accused of having acted as Swedish kriminologis “Baghdad Bob” including over sexual abuse of festivals with Swedish midsummer celebration. Sarnecki, according to Mattias Karlsson, for years “tried to deny, beautify and dark problems of immigration and crime.”

    Sarnecki elsewhere on — you guessed it — structural racism:

    This means that the space for the kind of structural discrimination described above is relatively large and that this can have a great significance for different groups overrepresented among crime suspects.

    Sarnecki on the causes of violence against Swedes:

    – It is difficult to assess the vulnerability is due to ethnicity or other factors just as when dealing with harassment in the other direction, says criminologist Jerzy Sarnecky.

    And an aversion to dogs that are in some Mediterranean countries may be a contributing factor to the problems.

    – Several of my friends from the Middle East, even Christians, hate and are afraid of dogs.

    Baghdad Bob indeed.

    One wonders if the Swedes actually came up with stuff themselves and aren’t just particularly susceptible to certain mind viruses created by others…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I can't stop spamming this comment section with this guy because I can't get over the fact that Sweden's designated Immigration Crime Explainer is one of the Usual Suspects that the Eternal Pseudonymous Commenter is woke to:

    Differences in crime statistics between immigrants and those born in Sweden can be explained by socio-economic factors in childhood and has nothing to do with culture or race, a new Swedish study has shown.

    ... one of the researchers Jerzy Sarnecki told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper.
     

    Bobafetto08

    ... Sarnecki indulges in academic acrobatics on the highest level, as he tries to manipulate facts and distort reality to fit a hidden political agenda. The data used in his research is for the most part on European immigrants and their children, prior to the massive influx of immigrants from MENA in the middle of the 90's. The below is a link to Jerzy "Baghdad Bob" Sarneckis own words: ...

     


    Jesse_from_Sweden

    ...

    Jerzy Sarnecki BTW, is medias little pet and is commonly known in Sweden as Baghdad-Bob, his main job is to try explain away the rising crime wave due to immigration.

    With interesting twists like claiming the increase in reported crime is just because people report crime more often, rather than there being an actual increase in crime.

    Despite the fact that tendency to report crime goes hand in hand with confidence in the police, which has plummeted (Swedish police has a horrid ratio for clearing up crime).
     

  44. @Drake
    A Swedish library refuses to carry this book

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/20/library-bans-factual-book-immigration/

    A library in Sweden’s capital is refusing to stock Kurdish economist Tino Sanandaji’s “sincere and evidence-driven analysis” of the country’s immigration policy because the book ‘supports racism’.

    An examination into the results of mass migration to Sweden over recent decades, ‘Mass Challenge’ was topping Sweden’s book charts within days of its release earlier this month.

    Sanandaji’s analysis of the nation’s large-scale importation of people from the third world, the resulting social problems and the effects on Sweden’s economy, is based on facts sourced from Statistics Sweden, the National Crime Prevention Council, the National Board of Health and other mainstream and respected agencies.

    But local media reports that Swedes who are wanting to borrow a copy of the chart-topping book from their local library are running into difficulties, with librarians rejecting Mass Challenge for political reasons.

    Nina Sundberg at Stockholm’s Ekero library, which is refusing to stock Sanandaji’s new book, argues that libraries should only purchase books which are politically correct.

    “Library collections should be characterized by diversity and pluralism. The goal is to not buy books that support racism, persecution, gender stereotypes or anything else that’s contrary to human rights”, wrote the librarian, explaining the facility’s motivation in rejecting Mass Challenge.
     

    These fools have a massive blind phobia against diversity of thought. All other kinds are welcome.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Sarencki -- gee, still wondering what kind of name that is -- at the University of Stockholm appears in various Swedish media outlets as their go-to criminologist:

    Heated debate between Mattias Karlsson and Jerzy Sarnecki in SVT's Agenda

    In parliament, the Sweden Democrats demanded that the National Crime Prevention Council (BRA) makes a new survey on the percentage of the crimes of foreign-born behind.

    ...

    According to Jerzy Sarnecki there is no lack of knowledge. Since 1974, 24 studies of this type have been made. He admitted, however, that since 2005 has been no new survey.

    ...

    Mattias Karlsson Jerzy Sarnecki accused of having acted as Swedish kriminologis "Baghdad Bob" including over sexual abuse of festivals with Swedish midsummer celebration. Sarnecki, according to Mattias Karlsson, for years "tried to deny, beautify and dark problems of immigration and crime."
     

    Sarnecki elsewhere on -- you guessed it -- structural racism:

    This means that the space for the kind of structural discrimination described above is relatively large and that this can have a great significance for different groups overrepresented among crime suspects.

     

    Sarnecki on the causes of violence against Swedes:

    - It is difficult to assess the vulnerability is due to ethnicity or other factors just as when dealing with harassment in the other direction, says criminologist Jerzy Sarnecky.

    And an aversion to dogs that are in some Mediterranean countries may be a contributing factor to the problems.

    - Several of my friends from the Middle East, even Christians, hate and are afraid of dogs.
     

    Baghdad Bob indeed.

    One wonders if the Swedes actually came up with stuff themselves and aren't just particularly susceptible to certain mind viruses created by others...

    I can’t stop spamming this comment section with this guy because I can’t get over the fact that Sweden’s designated Immigration Crime Explainer is one of the Usual Suspects that the Eternal Pseudonymous Commenter is woke to:

    Differences in crime statistics between immigrants and those born in Sweden can be explained by socio-economic factors in childhood and has nothing to do with culture or race, a new Swedish study has shown.

    … one of the researchers Jerzy Sarnecki told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper.

    Bobafetto08

    … Sarnecki indulges in academic acrobatics on the highest level, as he tries to manipulate facts and distort reality to fit a hidden political agenda. The data used in his research is for the most part on European immigrants and their children, prior to the massive influx of immigrants from MENA in the middle of the 90’s. The below is a link to Jerzy “Baghdad Bob” Sarneckis own words: …

    Jesse_from_Sweden

    Jerzy Sarnecki BTW, is medias little pet and is commonly known in Sweden as Baghdad-Bob, his main job is to try explain away the rising crime wave due to immigration.

    With interesting twists like claiming the increase in reported crime is just because people report crime more often, rather than there being an actual increase in crime.

    Despite the fact that tendency to report crime goes hand in hand with confidence in the police, which has plummeted (Swedish police has a horrid ratio for clearing up crime).

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    This thread is interesting because it violates the common perception. It's a reminder about bell curves not being Dirac delta functions (ie, either 0 or 1).

    Sanandaji is from an Islamic background (albeit his parents were not Islamic fanatics). He should be carrying more cultural baggage.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background. But most Poles assimilate in North America, because Poland is a Christian European country, so we aren't surprised. But he should have LESS cultural baggage than the Kurd.

    But the "black swan" aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    My head is spinning.
  46. @Crawfurdmuir
    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia ("a larger nearby country against which it fought before"). Perhaps they envision a reprise of the Great Northern War between Charles XII and Peter the Great. What help the Kurds might be, who can say?

    In the mean time McCain, Graham, and the Democrats seem to want a reprise of the Crimean War. McCain, ranked 894th in his class at Annapolis, rather reminds me of the seventh Earl Cardigan, of whom Wikipedia remarks that "his progression through the Army was marked by many episodes of extraordinary incompetence." In the second iteration of Balaclava it will be "Ours not to reason why..."

    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia

    Aw lord. Somebody please warn Finland.

    For how many centuries now has she been the DMZ between the Turnipheads and The Neighbor….

  47. Sweden gets knocked about a lot, but really it’s the most alt-right country there is. (((Trump))) is only dissing it because he’s been bought and sold by the Israel lobby.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7626/sweden-anti-israel

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You're funny. Alt-Right is White Nationalist. Sweden is the opposite. Israel is funny because it provides a glaring example of diaspora Jewish hypocrisy regarding identitarian nationalism.
  48. It is important to develop concrete actions that give all immigrants Sweden has received a place in Swedish society.

    Sorry, but once you start to think this way, or allow this kind of thinking to get a bureaucratic toehold, you have already lost the battle — or at least ceded a lot of ground – every European country has an entire bureaucracy devoted to ‘integration’ — results have been generally miserable.

    Earlier an overriding principle of immigration was that immigrants should not end up being a burden to taxpayers — another way to look at this is that immigrants should on average (eventually) contribute to per capita wealth creation comparable to natives — obviously with the dominant reign of racially sensitive political correctness this is no longer part of the mainstream discussion — aligned with my previous comments about living in a ‘soft age’ where the margin for error seems endless, the consequences of the egregious error of admitting so many underperformers will appear only later — so currently these concerns are just dismissed as eg ‘scientific racism’ etc.

    Once you start talking about needing more effort at integration, you give the immigrants an excuse to say ‘It’s not our fault — you aren’t doing enough to help us’ — they will have plenty of allies — this is the first step toward permanent dependence — because the truth is, you will never be able to do enough to help these people ‘integrate’ — as a group they will always be, to some degree, significant underperformers.

  49. Sweden is particularly PC because it is what we refer to as a consensus culture. Here in Denmark the liberals have been dragged a little towards the center(by the immi skeptic party) when it comes to talking about race and immigration. As a result even they complain about being called racist when they go to Sweden. Danes pride themselves on being more liberal and honest while Sweden is enormously conformist.

    However recently it seems it is starting to break down and Tino is getting a lot more play in the Swedish media than before where he would be respectfully interviewed in Denmark and elsewhere. He has lifted a tremendous burden and it is paying off.

    Incidentally, his brother is another great thinker who has pricked the bubble of both libertarian-conservative and social democratic bubbles. In Scandinavia there has been a deification of the welfare state as the originator of modern Scandinavian values of trust, cooperation, etc. As his brother points out these values predated the welfare state by a long time.

    Among Salerites and the Alt-Right there is this anti-conservative meme that the Scandinavian welfare states are working because they are full of Scandinavians. This myth is displayed above by commenters. In other words, demographics trump economics. Not true and nor was that ever Sailer’s argument. Sailer was making the point that the Scandinavian welfare states were more sturdy:

    We really aren`t disagreeing on much. I concur that the welfare state is slowly sapping the vast stock of social capital with which Scandinavians began their experiment. Property crime and absenteeism are way up. No doubt the welfare system will ultimately be replaced.

    Still, the process of social decay has taken a remarkably longer time there than elsewhere.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/scandinavia-fails-to-collapse-yet

    I can assure that there has indeed been decay as a result of the welfare state. So the Alt-Right can use Scandinavia as a way of demonstrating the importance of demographics but going beyond that they show themselves as wishful and ignorant as liberals using Scandinavia as a model.

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    My husband lived in Sweden in the mid-80's and he reports that they were all complaining about the high taxes, crippling welfare state, and the cost of everything. Pretty much all the same stuff middle-class people complain about all over the western worlds.

    A welfare state is bad enough, but when you bring in a lot of outsiders who haven't contributed and will likely never contribute, it's just not sustainable.

    Does anybody here really think that our SS/Medicare/Medicaid juggernaut is sustainable?
  50. In the current cable show Mr. Roboto, about vigilante hackers in New York, the villainous corporation head is played by a blonde Swedish actor, Martin Wallstrom. Because we all know that’s the typical profile for NY CEOs.

  51. @Guy de Champlagne
    And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden's foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden's foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they're racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don't get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don't even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    My wife and I traveled extensively in Sweden in the 1970s visiting relatives (her grandparents came from Sweden). Then, it was without question the cleanest country we’ve ever set foot in (cleaner than Germany) … and that perception was about Malmo, parts of which are now immigrant slums if I can believe the media.

    Then … a country populated by order-obsessed Scandinavians.

    Now … a country being overrun by clan-based Muslim immigrants from the Middle East.

    The Swedes tend to excuse the impact of immigration on Swedish society. It’s racist to be anti-immigrant or keep statistics on the crimes they commit. Anyway, if opening their borders to Muslim immigrants was a poorly thought-through policy, what can they do about it now? They can’t do anything about it. The immigrants aren’t going anywhere … so they make the best of the situation by pretending the problems don’t exist.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    If filling you boat with water to create a swimming pool was a poorly thought policy and you are still dumping water into it, what would you do now?

    Swedes can stop filling their boat. Thereafter, they should concoct plans to bail it out. It's probably too late and there is likely not enough will. But what do I care if a bunch of blonde-haired shits decide upon enforcing a suicide pact? Especially since their deaths may motivate my boat crew to stop filling our boat full of water. . .
    , @TheJester
    Sweden does have a very high suicide rate ... not the highest in the region but consistent with the other countries in northern Europe suffering immigrant invasions.

    Perhaps regional mass suicide-by-immigration is personal trauma that exists on such a large scale that it morphs into collective, nationwide hysteria ... similar to the religious revivals that erupted in Scandinavia in the 19th Century.
  52. @TheJester
    My wife and I traveled extensively in Sweden in the 1970s visiting relatives (her grandparents came from Sweden). Then, it was without question the cleanest country we've ever set foot in (cleaner than Germany) ... and that perception was about Malmo, parts of which are now immigrant slums if I can believe the media.

    Then ... a country populated by order-obsessed Scandinavians.

    Now ... a country being overrun by clan-based Muslim immigrants from the Middle East.

    The Swedes tend to excuse the impact of immigration on Swedish society. It's racist to be anti-immigrant or keep statistics on the crimes they commit. Anyway, if opening their borders to Muslim immigrants was a poorly thought-through policy, what can they do about it now? They can't do anything about it. The immigrants aren't going anywhere ... so they make the best of the situation by pretending the problems don't exist.

    If filling you boat with water to create a swimming pool was a poorly thought policy and you are still dumping water into it, what would you do now?

    Swedes can stop filling their boat. Thereafter, they should concoct plans to bail it out. It’s probably too late and there is likely not enough will. But what do I care if a bunch of blonde-haired shits decide upon enforcing a suicide pact? Especially since their deaths may motivate my boat crew to stop filling our boat full of water. . .

    • Replies: @Bill
    Rhodesia doesn't seem to have motivated much of anything among our boat-mates. Hell, it didn't even motivate South Africa to behave sanely. Is South Africa currently motivating anything among our boat-mates? Sweden is just another thing we don't talk about directly.
  53. – The Swedes are free to commit suicide. All I ask is that they stop expecting others to do the same.
    – At least the Swedes have no power to force others to keep Mohammedan pets. But Germany does have that power. And from history, we know that the Germans enjoy forcing others to do things.

  54. @Gabriel M
    Sweden gets knocked about a lot, but really it's the most alt-right country there is. (((Trump))) is only dissing it because he's been bought and sold by the Israel lobby.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7626/sweden-anti-israel

    You’re funny. Alt-Right is White Nationalist. Sweden is the opposite. Israel is funny because it provides a glaring example of diaspora Jewish hypocrisy regarding identitarian nationalism.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Bull. As greater authorities than whoever you are have demonstrated at great length, the western world in general and the U.S. in particular has two problems.

    1) Jews
    2) Israel

    Sweden has a tiny and declining Jewish population, and whilst the American media churns out ziopropaganda 24/7, patriotic Swedes fearlessly condemn Israel, therefore everything there must be fine. You are buying into (((Trump))) and (((Fox News))) lies.

    See for yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzzIOAUoB1Q

    As the comments rightly note

    (Kill the Zionist lampshaders.)

    Fucking kike

    O look a KIkE
     
    Damn straight!
    , @Opinionator
    The hypocrisy is in regards to any kind of nationalism at all.
  55. @MarkinLA
    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren't admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    Isn’t it common for general staff to get an extra star right before retirement? Or did I dream it?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I certainly wouldn't know but that may be how the McCain's got theirs.
  56. @Anonymous

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms
     
    Oh yeah?

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book "Mass Challenge," is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. - I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    ...

    Previously Sarnecki emphasized that it is primarily socio-economic factors that influence crime, than the group currently are immigrants.

    ...

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased, it thus is not a correlation between immigration and crime. But it Sanandaji respond by quoting the economist Robert Östling, who also reviewed the book "Mass Challenge".

    ...

    "Sarneckis objection is common among the elderly trained sociologists, but something modern trained economists immediately understand is wrong. Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories, and this shows why it may be necessary interdisciplinary perspective although I obviously not a criminologist," concludes Sanandaji their Facebook posts.
     

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

    Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories

    What an awesome phrase. From context, it seems like “has snowed in on” means something like become frozen in time or become obsolete due to ossification or something like that. Is this right?

  57. @Yak-15
    If filling you boat with water to create a swimming pool was a poorly thought policy and you are still dumping water into it, what would you do now?

    Swedes can stop filling their boat. Thereafter, they should concoct plans to bail it out. It's probably too late and there is likely not enough will. But what do I care if a bunch of blonde-haired shits decide upon enforcing a suicide pact? Especially since their deaths may motivate my boat crew to stop filling our boat full of water. . .

    Rhodesia doesn’t seem to have motivated much of anything among our boat-mates. Hell, it didn’t even motivate South Africa to behave sanely. Is South Africa currently motivating anything among our boat-mates? Sweden is just another thing we don’t talk about directly.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    You're probably correct
  58. @Guy de Champlagne
    And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden's foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden's foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they're racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don't get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don't even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    Swedish MP Kent Ekeroth would beg to differ that “the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way.”

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    That's (((Kent Ekeroth))) to you.
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    That's my point though. That this hatred of and conspiring against the population is a new thing in Sweden where its decades old in the US. Which country is more likely to snap out of it?
  59. @Pensans
    "He took an MBA at Stockholm School of Economics in 2004."

    Although both usages are seen, women and minorities seem always "take" their degrees, rather than "receive" them. They wrest them from oppressive hands by their sheer merit in the face of discrimination, instead of "receiving" them as part of a communal process. The humble participant in a communal project receives instruction and its recognition of completion, but the revolutionary violently extracts it.

    Pah! I’ll worry when Goggle Translate says “he wrested a degree ….”.

  60. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born."
    Australia was at 25% foreign born in 2007.
    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Overseas%20born%20population%20(3.6)
    Add in 200,000 per year since then and it's close to 30%.

    Yeah, but Australia chooses who gets to settle. Though at least one recent choice was lunatic.

  61. @Crawfurdmuir
    The powers-that-be in Sweden seem very upset lately about Russia ("a larger nearby country against which it fought before"). Perhaps they envision a reprise of the Great Northern War between Charles XII and Peter the Great. What help the Kurds might be, who can say?

    In the mean time McCain, Graham, and the Democrats seem to want a reprise of the Crimean War. McCain, ranked 894th in his class at Annapolis, rather reminds me of the seventh Earl Cardigan, of whom Wikipedia remarks that "his progression through the Army was marked by many episodes of extraordinary incompetence." In the second iteration of Balaclava it will be "Ours not to reason why..."

    I am so sick of seeing the views of John McCain and Lindsey Graham accorded such prominence. I grudgingly acknowledge that McCain throws some weight in DC, with his seniority and having been his party’s presidential candidate, but why Graham? He’s like a little remora sticking to the side of the shark, McCain. He got barely one percent of the vote in the primaries. Who cares what he thinks?

    BTW, I notice that Limbaugh has been subtly referring to Graham’s effeminacy lately, though I can’t recall the adjective he used.

  62. @Escher
    Book on the future Sweden: "The nation that built a hornet's nest. "

    Fantastic!

    Chapeau.

  63. @inertial
    Does Sweden have a piece of land that's populated by Russians, that's been part of Russia for 250 years, and that was trying to return to Russia for the last 25 year? If not, then Sweden is pretty safe from the dreaded Russian aggression. Although it may need its Kurdish Janissaries to fight against the Malmo Wilayat of ISIS.

    Hahhah, great answer to this neocon/CIA/Euro-Russophobe/whatever troll… CONGRATS!

  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You're funny. Alt-Right is White Nationalist. Sweden is the opposite. Israel is funny because it provides a glaring example of diaspora Jewish hypocrisy regarding identitarian nationalism.

    Bull. As greater authorities than whoever you are have demonstrated at great length, the western world in general and the U.S. in particular has two problems.

    1) Jews
    2) Israel

    Sweden has a tiny and declining Jewish population, and whilst the American media churns out ziopropaganda 24/7, patriotic Swedes fearlessly condemn Israel, therefore everything there must be fine. You are buying into (((Trump))) and (((Fox News))) lies.

    See for yourself.

    As the comments rightly note

    (Kill the Zionist lampshaders.)

    Fucking kike

    O look a KIkE

    Damn straight!

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    Anti-Israelism in northern Europe is entirely an anti-white far left political cause and the right-wing tends to be either neutral and disinterested or outright pro-Israel. The nationalist party that has made huge gains towards becoming the largest party, the Sweden Democrats, is pro-Israel which doesn't stop the Swedish establishment from endlessly demonizing them as Nazis of course (since they also believe that those nationalist Israelis are basically Nazis).

    I get it that many Americans are frustrated over the influence Israel has over American policy in the Middle East but most European countries don't have that issue and Israel is irrelevant and uninteresting to us from a right-wing perspective. The only people interested in it are the leftists who see Israelis as the white colonial oppressors of Palestinian people of color. It's basically guaranteed that someone anti-Israel is also an anti-white anti-racist, anti-nationalist and pro-Arab in every way including wanting to import more Arabs to vote for the anti-Israel pro-mass-immigration leftist parties.

    Sweden is the anti-Israel country in northern Europe because it's the one that has made anti-white leftism a part of its national identity.
  65. “Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent. Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms, 54 percent of the unemployed and the group receives 60 per cent of the paid social benefits.”

    This almost certainly understates the problem with Third World immigrants. A huge share of Sweden’s immigrants are other Europeans, Scandinavians in particular, yet I would wager that most of that 54% are not those immigrants. Just a rough guesstimate would be that Third World immigrants to Sweden are about 10 times more likely to commit serious crimes, making them similar to American blacks in their criminality.

  66. @Sam
    Sweden is particularly PC because it is what we refer to as a consensus culture. Here in Denmark the liberals have been dragged a little towards the center(by the immi skeptic party) when it comes to talking about race and immigration. As a result even they complain about being called racist when they go to Sweden. Danes pride themselves on being more liberal and honest while Sweden is enormously conformist.

    However recently it seems it is starting to break down and Tino is getting a lot more play in the Swedish media than before where he would be respectfully interviewed in Denmark and elsewhere. He has lifted a tremendous burden and it is paying off.

    Incidentally, his brother is another great thinker who has pricked the bubble of both libertarian-conservative and social democratic bubbles. In Scandinavia there has been a deification of the welfare state as the originator of modern Scandinavian values of trust, cooperation, etc. As his brother points out these values predated the welfare state by a long time.
    https://www.amazon.com/Debunking-Utopia-Exposing-Nordic-Socialism/dp/1944229396

    Among Salerites and the Alt-Right there is this anti-conservative meme that the Scandinavian welfare states are working because they are full of Scandinavians. This myth is displayed above by commenters. In other words, demographics trump economics. Not true and nor was that ever Sailer's argument. Sailer was making the point that the Scandinavian welfare states were more sturdy:

    We really aren`t disagreeing on much. I concur that the welfare state is slowly sapping the vast stock of social capital with which Scandinavians began their experiment. Property crime and absenteeism are way up. No doubt the welfare system will ultimately be replaced.

    Still, the process of social decay has taken a remarkably longer time there than elsewhere.
     
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/scandinavia-fails-to-collapse-yet

    I can assure that there has indeed been decay as a result of the welfare state. So the Alt-Right can use Scandinavia as a way of demonstrating the importance of demographics but going beyond that they show themselves as wishful and ignorant as liberals using Scandinavia as a model.

    My husband lived in Sweden in the mid-80’s and he reports that they were all complaining about the high taxes, crippling welfare state, and the cost of everything. Pretty much all the same stuff middle-class people complain about all over the western worlds.

    A welfare state is bad enough, but when you bring in a lot of outsiders who haven’t contributed and will likely never contribute, it’s just not sustainable.

    Does anybody here really think that our SS/Medicare/Medicaid juggernaut is sustainable?

  67. @Harry Baldwin
    Swedish MP Kent Ekeroth would beg to differ that "the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4LtSgOeao

    That’s (((Kent Ekeroth))) to you.

  68. @Frau Katze
    No surprises from the quoted text. I read about a similar study in Denmark. Pretty much the same. Except that nativist feeling was much stronger than in Sweden.

    Denmark has an anti-immigrant party and they have had some success. Laws to discourage men from importing foreign women for their wives were passed, as the Danes felt that with the import wife strategy, every generation would be partly immigrant. If I recall, some of elected officials are based on proportional representation, not first-pass-the-post.

    Not sure why the Swedes have been so hysterical on the subject.

    At the rate they're going, they'll be trying "to close the gap" ad infinitum. Sixty years hasn't stopped Americans!

    I have Swedish relatives so they feel comfortable talking to me about how they feel about immigration as I am family. They are all deeply alarmed but dare not say so publicly, indeed it both does and doesn’t surprise me how fast a political party like the Swedish Democrats has grown in popularity. Although I should note my family are Smalanders so tend to the right politically anyway, they despised Olof Palme.

    The best book on Sweden is Roland Huntford’s ‘The New Totalitarians’. This ‘soft’ left dictatorship has proven so much more successful than the openly totalitarian Communist one and is I believe the blueprint for most of the modern left across the West. Although I myself consider Sweden an Eastern European country, along with Finland, whereas Denmark and Norway are Western and have more open societies where there has been a lot more open debate regarding immigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Thanks for the background info (unavailable to complete outsiders) and for the tip on the book.
  69. @Steve Sailer
    That's pretty close to what Sen. McCain's father and grandfather were during the Vietnam and Pacific Wars, respectively.

    I don’t think the Vietnam War was considered worthy of 5 star generals or admirals. Maybe grandfather McCain was there during the WWII such that he could have achieved 5 star status but (I think) in the navy that was much more rare than 5 star generals. I think only Nimitz and Halsey made it to 5 star admirals. I don’t think there was any 5 star admiral in the Atlantic.

  70. @Anonymous

    Foreign-born people make up despite this, 53 percent of them with long prison terms
     
    Oh yeah?

    STOCKHOLM economist Tino Sanandaji, that is current with the book "Mass Challenge," is facing fierce criticism from criminologist Jerzy Sarnecki who read the book. Sarnecki mean Sanandaji certainly presents accurate statistics, but to wrong conclusions from the figures, particularly when it comes to immigrants for crime. - I am more competent, says Sarnecki in SR Studio One.

    ...

    Previously Sarnecki emphasized that it is primarily socio-economic factors that influence crime, than the group currently are immigrants.

    ...

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased, it thus is not a correlation between immigration and crime. But it Sanandaji respond by quoting the economist Robert Östling, who also reviewed the book "Mass Challenge".

    ...

    "Sarneckis objection is common among the elderly trained sociologists, but something modern trained economists immediately understand is wrong. Swedish criminology has snowed in on old theories, and this shows why it may be necessary interdisciplinary perspective although I obviously not a criminologist," concludes Sanandaji their Facebook posts.
     

    Gee, I wonder what kind of name Jerzy Sarnecki is.

    Simplified, one can say that the opposition against Sanandaji based on that crime has not increased in the same way as immigration has increased,

    This assumes that once the immigrant gets here he starts committing crimes at the rate of previous members of his group. Of course that isn’t true. The immigrant arrives and sees the lay of the land and attaches himself to the existing criminal order. This takes a certain amount of time – especially when you are being supported by welfare and don’t need to turn to crime immediately.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    It's Google Translate, dude.

    I always smile at Steve’s Californianisms such as this one. It’s one of the most endearing things about native Californians, one I most related to and adopted when I moved here, and one I’ll miss most when I leave. More so, when Steve’s, the last generation of Californians, is completely displaced by the invaders in another twenty years or so.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Dude, it's not just California.
  72. @MarkinLA
    Imagine what McCain would have been if both his father and grandfather weren't admirals. I thought they were only 3 star but this says 4 star. Four stars is about as high as you can go unless you are in a full scale war commanding an entire fleet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Jr.

    It’s not “about as high” – it is. Nimitz was the last fleet admiral commissioned in the U.S.A.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Belay my last – it was actually Halsey. Still; we've not had a fleet admiral (five-star) since the Second World War. (And, yes, McCain was a terrible aviator and I do not count him a hero.)
    , @MarkinLA
    I thought they gave it to Halsey just before the end of the war. Nimitz was one early on when Halsey was under him. This says he was given it after the war so it really was just an honorary title.

    Immediately after the surrender of Japan, 54 ships of the Third Fleet, with Halsey's four-star flag flying from the USS South Dakota, returned to the United States for the annual Navy Day Celebrations in San Francisco on October 27, 1945. He hauled down his flag in November of that year and was assigned special duty in the office of the Secretary of the Navy. On December 11, 1945, he took the oath as Fleet Admiral, becoming the fourth and still the most recent naval officer awarded that rank. Fleet Admiral Halsey made a goodwill flying trip, passing by Central and South America, covering nearly 28,000 miles and 11 nations. He retired from active service in March 1947, but as a Fleet Admiral, he was not taken off active duty status.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Halsey_Jr.
  73. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You're funny. Alt-Right is White Nationalist. Sweden is the opposite. Israel is funny because it provides a glaring example of diaspora Jewish hypocrisy regarding identitarian nationalism.

    The hypocrisy is in regards to any kind of nationalism at all.

  74. @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    I’d say that the author is the son of people who couldn’t stand living under Ayatollah Khomeini.

    It’s almost 100% certain they were NOT Islamic fanatics.

    If they had been but were the “wrong” kind of fanatic in the eyes of Khomeini they would at the very least have given their son an Islamic name, which they did not do.

    So it appears that parents were intelligent, educated people, and it is no big surprise that this son is also intelligent and educated.

    A very short trip to Google reveals he has a brother, who, surprise surprise, is also intelligent and educated and has written several books. He doesn’t have an Islamic name either.

  75. Anyone else remember when Tino used to comment at Steve’s Blogspot site?

    Bonus question: Does anyone else remember how commenting on that site got started?

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    For my part, I'd never heard of him. But then, I'd also never heard of you and suddenly I have encountered several brilliant & very perceptive contributions from you on this site.

    Please come back and contribute some more. The site needs more people like you.
  76. @Glossy
    "invandrarbakgrund" - in-wanderer-background. I'm creeped out by the improvements in machine translation though. If it ever gets perfect, not just translators will be obsolete, but humans in general. It's a high-level task. Also very general, the opposite of a narrow task like playing chess.

    I was a co-blogger on a site for 2 years (after 2 years I was finding the news too depressing to read) and a frequent user of both Google and Bing translate.

    I noticed something odd. Both translators easily handled Scandinavian languages but were terrible translating the closely related German.

    I think it is the word order in German. To an English speaker it’s just plain weird.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    To an English speaker it just plain weird is.
  77. @Anonymous
    "while 76 percent of the members of criminal gangs have invandrarbakgrund."

    -invader background. Now that is an interesting term we should adopt for our brothers from another mother here in the US. Certainly puts the truth right out there for everyone to see, as opposed to b.s. nonsense like "undocumented", which just pretends the only problem going on is that they happened to have misplaced their visa somewhere, like an absent-minded, harmless, old grandmother.

    In-vandr. The kin word for “vandr” is “wander.”

    “Invade” is from Latin, and I’m not just sure whether the “vad” part is also kin to “wander.”

  78. @Guy de Champlagne
    And yet I doubt a single western European nation has demographics that are even as bad as what the US had before the 1964 immigration act.

    It sounds like in Sweden the foreign born population is about as bad as blacks are here but Sweden's foreign born population is young which is driving their crime way above the appropriate age adjusted figure you could use to compare them to american blacks AND in all likelihood even the age adjusted crime will go down as they assimilate and their children are raised in the society.

    American blacks have reached a stable level of awfulness (that will only get worse if whites start asserting themselves and stop letting themselves be exploited). While in all likelihood Sweden's foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the US has blacks, hispanics, and poor dysfunctional whites to a degree that completely dwarfs what exists in Sweden. Maybe New England whites are equivalent (or slightly superior) to Swedish whites. But those are the best whites we have!

    And while the US government has been telling its population that they're racist evildoers and poor losers who deserve to be punished for over sixty years, the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way. So I can only think that Sweden stands a much better chance of righting themselves than the US does.

    Don't get me wrong I think Sweden should deport all of these people. I don't even think Sweden should let swarthy southern Europeans immigrate. But american conservatives love to pretend that European countries, especially the northern ones, are failing. It makes them feel better about their own completely insane economic policies and the cognitive dissonance that arises from seeing how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.

    Even their success is questionable; its boosted by basically not having a defense budget thanks to NATO and one of the lowest rates of growth, innovation or really any business at all. In some ways, its a large retirement home. Finland’s economy is basically toxic at this point, and incapable of being reformed due to expectations of the population.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    What are you talking about, Sweden was armed to the teeth during the Cold war and still has a significant arms industry.
    And Sweden and Finland aren't even in NATO.
  79. @anony-mouse
    Doesn't the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor's land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    Overreliance on mercenaries has historically been to the detriment of their hosts.

  80. @Autochthon
    It's not "about as high" – it is. Nimitz was the last fleet admiral commissioned in the U.S.A.

    Belay my last – it was actually Halsey. Still; we’ve not had a fleet admiral (five-star) since the Second World War. (And, yes, McCain was a terrible aviator and I do not count him a hero.)

  81. @LondonBob
    I have Swedish relatives so they feel comfortable talking to me about how they feel about immigration as I am family. They are all deeply alarmed but dare not say so publicly, indeed it both does and doesn't surprise me how fast a political party like the Swedish Democrats has grown in popularity. Although I should note my family are Smalanders so tend to the right politically anyway, they despised Olof Palme.

    The best book on Sweden is Roland Huntford's 'The New Totalitarians'. This 'soft' left dictatorship has proven so much more successful than the openly totalitarian Communist one and is I believe the blueprint for most of the modern left across the West. Although I myself consider Sweden an Eastern European country, along with Finland, whereas Denmark and Norway are Western and have more open societies where there has been a lot more open debate regarding immigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians

    Thanks for the background info (unavailable to complete outsiders) and for the tip on the book.

  82. @Drake
    A Swedish library refuses to carry this book

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/20/library-bans-factual-book-immigration/

    A library in Sweden’s capital is refusing to stock Kurdish economist Tino Sanandaji’s “sincere and evidence-driven analysis” of the country’s immigration policy because the book ‘supports racism’.

    An examination into the results of mass migration to Sweden over recent decades, ‘Mass Challenge’ was topping Sweden’s book charts within days of its release earlier this month.

    Sanandaji’s analysis of the nation’s large-scale importation of people from the third world, the resulting social problems and the effects on Sweden’s economy, is based on facts sourced from Statistics Sweden, the National Crime Prevention Council, the National Board of Health and other mainstream and respected agencies.

    But local media reports that Swedes who are wanting to borrow a copy of the chart-topping book from their local library are running into difficulties, with librarians rejecting Mass Challenge for political reasons.

    Nina Sundberg at Stockholm’s Ekero library, which is refusing to stock Sanandaji’s new book, argues that libraries should only purchase books which are politically correct.

    “Library collections should be characterized by diversity and pluralism. The goal is to not buy books that support racism, persecution, gender stereotypes or anything else that’s contrary to human rights”, wrote the librarian, explaining the facility’s motivation in rejecting Mass Challenge.
     

    The crimestop is strong with this one.

  83. @MarkinLA
    While in all likelihood Sweden’s foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Not likely. These people come from places in the third world where tribalism counts the most. How many generations of Pakis do you have in Britain where the parents still don't want their daughters becoming westernized? These people come from a culture where you lie and cheat as much as you can to members of the out-group and the government agencies are the biggest out-group around. They will be a drain on the system until it collapses.

    I can’t “agree” because the rules of the site won’t let me (once per hour), but I DO very much agree.

  84. @Anonymous
    I can't stop spamming this comment section with this guy because I can't get over the fact that Sweden's designated Immigration Crime Explainer is one of the Usual Suspects that the Eternal Pseudonymous Commenter is woke to:

    Differences in crime statistics between immigrants and those born in Sweden can be explained by socio-economic factors in childhood and has nothing to do with culture or race, a new Swedish study has shown.

    ... one of the researchers Jerzy Sarnecki told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper.
     

    Bobafetto08

    ... Sarnecki indulges in academic acrobatics on the highest level, as he tries to manipulate facts and distort reality to fit a hidden political agenda. The data used in his research is for the most part on European immigrants and their children, prior to the massive influx of immigrants from MENA in the middle of the 90's. The below is a link to Jerzy "Baghdad Bob" Sarneckis own words: ...

     


    Jesse_from_Sweden

    ...

    Jerzy Sarnecki BTW, is medias little pet and is commonly known in Sweden as Baghdad-Bob, his main job is to try explain away the rising crime wave due to immigration.

    With interesting twists like claiming the increase in reported crime is just because people report crime more often, rather than there being an actual increase in crime.

    Despite the fact that tendency to report crime goes hand in hand with confidence in the police, which has plummeted (Swedish police has a horrid ratio for clearing up crime).
     

    This thread is interesting because it violates the common perception. It’s a reminder about bell curves not being Dirac delta functions (ie, either 0 or 1).

    Sanandaji is from an Islamic background (albeit his parents were not Islamic fanatics). He should be carrying more cultural baggage.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background. But most Poles assimilate in North America, because Poland is a Christian European country, so we aren’t surprised. But he should have LESS cultural baggage than the Kurd.

    But the “black swan” aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    My head is spinning.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background.
     

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.
     
    Come on... Wikipedia is just a click away.

    Sarnecki was born in 1947 in Warsaw, Poland.[2] He is Jewish.[3] During the 1968 Polish political crisis, his father was fired without motivation but it allegedly was because he was Jewish.[3] The family emigrated to Sweden the same year, when Sarnecki was 21 years old,[2] because of antisemitism.[3]
     
    , @Ola
    Poland might be a Christian country but Sarnecki's parents are jews. The family emigrated to Sweden because of anti-Jewish campaigns in Poland during the late 60's.
    , @Desiderius

    But the “black swan” aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.
     

    It's about class.

    PC is rapidly becoming declasse, a status which seems particularly sticky for Poles.

  85. @Frau Katze
    I was a co-blogger on a site for 2 years (after 2 years I was finding the news too depressing to read) and a frequent user of both Google and Bing translate.

    I noticed something odd. Both translators easily handled Scandinavian languages but were terrible translating the closely related German.

    I think it is the word order in German. To an English speaker it's just plain weird.

    To an English speaker it just plain weird is.

    • LOL: Frau Katze
  86. @Autochthon
    I always smile at Steve's Californianisms such as this one. It's one of the most endearing things about native Californians, one I most related to and adopted when I moved here, and one I'll miss most when I leave. More so, when Steve's, the last generation of Californians, is completely displaced by the invaders in another twenty years or so.

    Dude, it’s not just California.

  87. @Bill
    Isn't it common for general staff to get an extra star right before retirement? Or did I dream it?

    I certainly wouldn’t know but that may be how the McCain’s got theirs.

  88. @Autochthon
    It's not "about as high" – it is. Nimitz was the last fleet admiral commissioned in the U.S.A.

    I thought they gave it to Halsey just before the end of the war. Nimitz was one early on when Halsey was under him. This says he was given it after the war so it really was just an honorary title.

    Immediately after the surrender of Japan, 54 ships of the Third Fleet, with Halsey’s four-star flag flying from the USS South Dakota, returned to the United States for the annual Navy Day Celebrations in San Francisco on October 27, 1945. He hauled down his flag in November of that year and was assigned special duty in the office of the Secretary of the Navy. On December 11, 1945, he took the oath as Fleet Admiral, becoming the fourth and still the most recent naval officer awarded that rank. Fleet Admiral Halsey made a goodwill flying trip, passing by Central and South America, covering nearly 28,000 miles and 11 nations. He retired from active service in March 1947, but as a Fleet Admiral, he was not taken off active duty status.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Halsey_Jr.

  89. @Opinionator
    Foreign-born people account for about 17 percent of the population, and second-generation immigrants, for additional five percent.

    Holy cow! Already nearly a quarter of Swdens population is foreign born or descendent of foreign born. And probably they have a younger skew than the indigenous Swedes.

    Goodbye Sweden.

    The Derb said on one of his podcasts that 60 million people in the USA are foreign born. That’s about 20%.

  90. @Bill
    Rhodesia doesn't seem to have motivated much of anything among our boat-mates. Hell, it didn't even motivate South Africa to behave sanely. Is South Africa currently motivating anything among our boat-mates? Sweden is just another thing we don't talk about directly.

    You’re probably correct

  91. Why are my comments not approved yet?

  92. @Daniel Chieh

    how successful Scandinavia is with their welfare states.
     
    Even their success is questionable; its boosted by basically not having a defense budget thanks to NATO and one of the lowest rates of growth, innovation or really any business at all. In some ways, its a large retirement home. Finland's economy is basically toxic at this point, and incapable of being reformed due to expectations of the population.

    What are you talking about, Sweden was armed to the teeth during the Cold war and still has a significant arms industry.
    And Sweden and Finland aren’t even in NATO.

    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    His reaction is a typical example of what I was talking about, where conservatives deny the basic reality of other country's success in order to justify their crazy belief that everything to the left of Ronald Reagan is Bolshevism.
  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Frau Katze
    This thread is interesting because it violates the common perception. It's a reminder about bell curves not being Dirac delta functions (ie, either 0 or 1).

    Sanandaji is from an Islamic background (albeit his parents were not Islamic fanatics). He should be carrying more cultural baggage.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background. But most Poles assimilate in North America, because Poland is a Christian European country, so we aren't surprised. But he should have LESS cultural baggage than the Kurd.

    But the "black swan" aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    My head is spinning.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    Come on… Wikipedia is just a click away.

    Sarnecki was born in 1947 in Warsaw, Poland.[2] He is Jewish.[3] During the 1968 Polish political crisis, his father was fired without motivation but it allegedly was because he was Jewish.[3] The family emigrated to Sweden the same year, when Sarnecki was 21 years old,[2] because of antisemitism.[3]

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Well, that makes slightly more sense. But only slightly. Muslims HATE Jews.

    These liberal Jews need to wake up. I don't know why they're so stupid on the topic of Islam. I really don't.
    , @German_reader
    Kind of funny how people who had wormed their way into power during the worst days of Stalinism in Poland suddenly became poor, persecuted refugees who got asylum in ultra-liberal Sweden.
    iirc Sweden even took in some Polish Jews who had been involved in Stalinist show trials during the early 1950s and sentenced Home army members to death. The Poles wanted some of them extradited in the 1990s, but Sweden of course refused.
  94. Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background.

    Jerzy Sarnecki is Jewish. His family left Poland for Sweden because of “antisemitism”.

  95. @Frau Katze
    This thread is interesting because it violates the common perception. It's a reminder about bell curves not being Dirac delta functions (ie, either 0 or 1).

    Sanandaji is from an Islamic background (albeit his parents were not Islamic fanatics). He should be carrying more cultural baggage.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background. But most Poles assimilate in North America, because Poland is a Christian European country, so we aren't surprised. But he should have LESS cultural baggage than the Kurd.

    But the "black swan" aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    My head is spinning.

    Poland might be a Christian country but Sarnecki’s parents are jews. The family emigrated to Sweden because of anti-Jewish campaigns in Poland during the late 60’s.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Yep, another reader pointed it out. Liberal Jews are going to face a reckoning for supporting Muslim immigration.
    , @Alden
    They weren't anti Jewish campaigns. They were anti communist occupation campaigns
    By "coincidence" it just happened that most of the communist government employees were Jews, just like in every European country under communist occupation.
  96. @Anonymous

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background.
     

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.
     
    Come on... Wikipedia is just a click away.

    Sarnecki was born in 1947 in Warsaw, Poland.[2] He is Jewish.[3] During the 1968 Polish political crisis, his father was fired without motivation but it allegedly was because he was Jewish.[3] The family emigrated to Sweden the same year, when Sarnecki was 21 years old,[2] because of antisemitism.[3]
     

    Well, that makes slightly more sense. But only slightly. Muslims HATE Jews.

    These liberal Jews need to wake up. I don’t know why they’re so stupid on the topic of Islam. I really don’t.

  97. @Ola
    Poland might be a Christian country but Sarnecki's parents are jews. The family emigrated to Sweden because of anti-Jewish campaigns in Poland during the late 60's.

    Yep, another reader pointed it out. Liberal Jews are going to face a reckoning for supporting Muslim immigration.

  98. @David Davenport
    Doesn’t the existence of this book imply that selective immigration from the ME could work?

    NO.

    The Kurds are very good fighters. Maybe if Sweden got into a war, say with a larger nearby country against which it fought before and which currently occupies part of a neighbor’s land, having lots of Kurds would help.

    You do know that Muzzies got their noses under the homeland tents of Britain and France because the British and French armies enlisted large large numbers of them to fight WWII and even WWI?

    First mosque in France was built for WW1 Arab Muslim veterans who settled in France.

  99. @Ola
    Poland might be a Christian country but Sarnecki's parents are jews. The family emigrated to Sweden because of anti-Jewish campaigns in Poland during the late 60's.

    They weren’t anti Jewish campaigns. They were anti communist occupation campaigns
    By “coincidence” it just happened that most of the communist government employees were Jews, just like in every European country under communist occupation.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    How interesting. The Polish government in 1968 was running an "anti communist occupation campaign".

    It's a good job we can all learn valuable information like this at Unz to combat Hasbara outfits like (((Breitbart))) and the (((Trump administration))) with their lies about alt-right Sweden.
  100. See also this interview with Tino:

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Many thanks for posting the link to the video, which was full of interesting information about the history of Sweden, as well as that of the Kurds and their relationship with Persians and Iran itself. I think my favorite part of the clip was toward the end when the discussion focused on how best to help refugees and how foolish it was to open up European borders to people who were already out of the danger of war.
  101. @Anonymous

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background.
     

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.
     
    Come on... Wikipedia is just a click away.

    Sarnecki was born in 1947 in Warsaw, Poland.[2] He is Jewish.[3] During the 1968 Polish political crisis, his father was fired without motivation but it allegedly was because he was Jewish.[3] The family emigrated to Sweden the same year, when Sarnecki was 21 years old,[2] because of antisemitism.[3]
     

    Kind of funny how people who had wormed their way into power during the worst days of Stalinism in Poland suddenly became poor, persecuted refugees who got asylum in ultra-liberal Sweden.
    iirc Sweden even took in some Polish Jews who had been involved in Stalinist show trials during the early 1950s and sentenced Home army members to death. The Poles wanted some of them extradited in the 1990s, but Sweden of course refused.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can't make this stuff up.
  102. @bellitas
    See also this interview with Tino:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txk-CZRFEoQ

    Many thanks for posting the link to the video, which was full of interesting information about the history of Sweden, as well as that of the Kurds and their relationship with Persians and Iran itself. I think my favorite part of the clip was toward the end when the discussion focused on how best to help refugees and how foolish it was to open up European borders to people who were already out of the danger of war.

  103. @German_reader
    Kind of funny how people who had wormed their way into power during the worst days of Stalinism in Poland suddenly became poor, persecuted refugees who got asylum in ultra-liberal Sweden.
    iirc Sweden even took in some Polish Jews who had been involved in Stalinist show trials during the early 1950s and sentenced Home army members to death. The Poles wanted some of them extradited in the 1990s, but Sweden of course refused.

    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can’t make this stuff up.
     
    Reading up from the bottom of the comments, I was sure you were talking about David Schwarz.
  104. @Frau Katze
    This thread is interesting because it violates the common perception. It's a reminder about bell curves not being Dirac delta functions (ie, either 0 or 1).

    Sanandaji is from an Islamic background (albeit his parents were not Islamic fanatics). He should be carrying more cultural baggage.

    Sarnecki (to go by name) is Polish or of Polish background. But most Poles assimilate in North America, because Poland is a Christian European country, so we aren't surprised. But he should have LESS cultural baggage than the Kurd.

    But the "black swan" aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    My head is spinning.

    But the “black swan” aspect is that the writer from a Muslim background is cool and well informed and generally sounds like a Westerner.

    But the person from a European Christian background is flat out issuing PC statements.

    It’s about class.

    PC is rapidly becoming declasse, a status which seems particularly sticky for Poles.

  105. @Opinionator
    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can't make this stuff up.

    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Reading up from the bottom of the comments, I was sure you were talking about David Schwarz.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I didn't know. Wow.
  106. @Gabriel M
    Bull. As greater authorities than whoever you are have demonstrated at great length, the western world in general and the U.S. in particular has two problems.

    1) Jews
    2) Israel

    Sweden has a tiny and declining Jewish population, and whilst the American media churns out ziopropaganda 24/7, patriotic Swedes fearlessly condemn Israel, therefore everything there must be fine. You are buying into (((Trump))) and (((Fox News))) lies.

    See for yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzzIOAUoB1Q

    As the comments rightly note

    (Kill the Zionist lampshaders.)

    Fucking kike

    O look a KIkE
     
    Damn straight!

    Anti-Israelism in northern Europe is entirely an anti-white far left political cause and the right-wing tends to be either neutral and disinterested or outright pro-Israel. The nationalist party that has made huge gains towards becoming the largest party, the Sweden Democrats, is pro-Israel which doesn’t stop the Swedish establishment from endlessly demonizing them as Nazis of course (since they also believe that those nationalist Israelis are basically Nazis).

    I get it that many Americans are frustrated over the influence Israel has over American policy in the Middle East but most European countries don’t have that issue and Israel is irrelevant and uninteresting to us from a right-wing perspective. The only people interested in it are the leftists who see Israelis as the white colonial oppressors of Palestinian people of color. It’s basically guaranteed that someone anti-Israel is also an anti-white anti-racist, anti-nationalist and pro-Arab in every way including wanting to import more Arabs to vote for the anti-Israel pro-mass-immigration leftist parties.

    Sweden is the anti-Israel country in northern Europe because it’s the one that has made anti-white leftism a part of its national identity.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    You know not what you speak. Look at all these brave white people protesting against Zionism in Australia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/23/netanyahu-visit-hundreds-protest-in-sydney-over-visit-by-israeli-pm

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it's not obligatory.
  107. @ben tillman

    Sweden takes him in as a refugee (a word that carried a moral valence that I recognize may not be applicable here). He turns around and devotes his life to destroying Sweden. You can’t make this stuff up.
     
    Reading up from the bottom of the comments, I was sure you were talking about David Schwarz.

    I didn’t know. Wow.

  108. Did Jews have it in for European Gentiles prior to the Holocaust, or is this compulsive anti-nationalism that seems so widespread among them a product of the Holocaust? In a sense, the animosity toward the Csar might be viewed as anti-nationalist, so one wonders. When did it all start? How far back does it go?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Horace Kallen and Israael Zangwill were pushing multiculturalism circa 1900. Boasian anthropology got going in the 1910s.
  109. @Harry Baldwin
    Swedish MP Kent Ekeroth would beg to differ that "the Swedish government actually has a history of liking its people and pursuing their best interests in a benevolent and rational way."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4LtSgOeao

    That’s my point though. That this hatred of and conspiring against the population is a new thing in Sweden where its decades old in the US. Which country is more likely to snap out of it?

  110. @MarkinLA
    While in all likelihood Sweden’s foreign born population and their descendants are only going to get better behaved as time goes on.

    Not likely. These people come from places in the third world where tribalism counts the most. How many generations of Pakis do you have in Britain where the parents still don't want their daughters becoming westernized? These people come from a culture where you lie and cheat as much as you can to members of the out-group and the government agencies are the biggest out-group around. They will be a drain on the system until it collapses.

    Worse than American blacks in the long term on a per capita basis?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Maybe not, but not the same thing. We can't kick blacks out. You can kick the Muzzies out of Sweden.
  111. @German_reader
    What are you talking about, Sweden was armed to the teeth during the Cold war and still has a significant arms industry.
    And Sweden and Finland aren't even in NATO.

    His reaction is a typical example of what I was talking about, where conservatives deny the basic reality of other country’s success in order to justify their crazy belief that everything to the left of Ronald Reagan is Bolshevism.

  112. @Jaakko Raipala
    Anti-Israelism in northern Europe is entirely an anti-white far left political cause and the right-wing tends to be either neutral and disinterested or outright pro-Israel. The nationalist party that has made huge gains towards becoming the largest party, the Sweden Democrats, is pro-Israel which doesn't stop the Swedish establishment from endlessly demonizing them as Nazis of course (since they also believe that those nationalist Israelis are basically Nazis).

    I get it that many Americans are frustrated over the influence Israel has over American policy in the Middle East but most European countries don't have that issue and Israel is irrelevant and uninteresting to us from a right-wing perspective. The only people interested in it are the leftists who see Israelis as the white colonial oppressors of Palestinian people of color. It's basically guaranteed that someone anti-Israel is also an anti-white anti-racist, anti-nationalist and pro-Arab in every way including wanting to import more Arabs to vote for the anti-Israel pro-mass-immigration leftist parties.

    Sweden is the anti-Israel country in northern Europe because it's the one that has made anti-white leftism a part of its national identity.

    You know not what you speak. Look at all these brave white people protesting against Zionism in Australia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/23/netanyahu-visit-hundreds-protest-in-sydney-over-visit-by-israeli-pm

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it’s not obligatory.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it’s not obligatory.
     
    It's pretty easy to understand. Whites are good at adhering to principle. The whites in Sweden and elsewhere have been indoctrinated with the principle of favoring non-white over white (since the indoctrinators can't very well say that the purpose of the indoctrination is to serve the particularistic interests of the indoctrinators). So they do what they've been taught with respect to both Sweden and Israel. This has been understood for more than 20 years.
  113. @Alden
    They weren't anti Jewish campaigns. They were anti communist occupation campaigns
    By "coincidence" it just happened that most of the communist government employees were Jews, just like in every European country under communist occupation.

    How interesting. The Polish government in 1968 was running an “anti communist occupation campaign”.

    It’s a good job we can all learn valuable information like this at Unz to combat Hasbara outfits like (((Breitbart))) and the (((Trump administration))) with their lies about alt-right Sweden.

  114. @TheJester
    My wife and I traveled extensively in Sweden in the 1970s visiting relatives (her grandparents came from Sweden). Then, it was without question the cleanest country we've ever set foot in (cleaner than Germany) ... and that perception was about Malmo, parts of which are now immigrant slums if I can believe the media.

    Then ... a country populated by order-obsessed Scandinavians.

    Now ... a country being overrun by clan-based Muslim immigrants from the Middle East.

    The Swedes tend to excuse the impact of immigration on Swedish society. It's racist to be anti-immigrant or keep statistics on the crimes they commit. Anyway, if opening their borders to Muslim immigrants was a poorly thought-through policy, what can they do about it now? They can't do anything about it. The immigrants aren't going anywhere ... so they make the best of the situation by pretending the problems don't exist.

    Sweden does have a very high suicide rate … not the highest in the region but consistent with the other countries in northern Europe suffering immigrant invasions.

    Perhaps regional mass suicide-by-immigration is personal trauma that exists on such a large scale that it morphs into collective, nationwide hysteria … similar to the religious revivals that erupted in Scandinavia in the 19th Century.

  115. @Gabriel M
    You know not what you speak. Look at all these brave white people protesting against Zionism in Australia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/23/netanyahu-visit-hundreds-protest-in-sydney-over-visit-by-israeli-pm

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it's not obligatory.

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it’s not obligatory.

    It’s pretty easy to understand. Whites are good at adhering to principle. The whites in Sweden and elsewhere have been indoctrinated with the principle of favoring non-white over white (since the indoctrinators can’t very well say that the purpose of the indoctrination is to serve the particularistic interests of the indoctrinators). So they do what they’ve been taught with respect to both Sweden and Israel. This has been understood for more than 20 years.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Welcome to MacDonald's rubber room, or, when you only have Jew hammers, every problem looks like a Jew nail.
  116. @ben tillman

    Kevin MacDonald will explain it all to you. It helps if you inhale first, but it’s not obligatory.
     
    It's pretty easy to understand. Whites are good at adhering to principle. The whites in Sweden and elsewhere have been indoctrinated with the principle of favoring non-white over white (since the indoctrinators can't very well say that the purpose of the indoctrination is to serve the particularistic interests of the indoctrinators). So they do what they've been taught with respect to both Sweden and Israel. This has been understood for more than 20 years.

    Welcome to MacDonald’s rubber room, or, when you only have Jew hammers, every problem looks like a Jew nail.

  117. @Opinionator
    Did Jews have it in for European Gentiles prior to the Holocaust, or is this compulsive anti-nationalism that seems so widespread among them a product of the Holocaust? In a sense, the animosity toward the Csar might be viewed as anti-nationalist, so one wonders. When did it all start? How far back does it go?

    Horace Kallen and Israael Zangwill were pushing multiculturalism circa 1900. Boasian anthropology got going in the 1910s.

  118. @Guy de Champlagne
    Worse than American blacks in the long term on a per capita basis?

    Maybe not, but not the same thing. We can’t kick blacks out. You can kick the Muzzies out of Sweden.

  119. @tomv
    Anyone else remember when Tino used to comment at Steve's Blogspot site?

    Bonus question: Does anyone else remember how commenting on that site got started?

    For my part, I’d never heard of him. But then, I’d also never heard of you and suddenly I have encountered several brilliant & very perceptive contributions from you on this site.

    Please come back and contribute some more. The site needs more people like you.

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