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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

… Women’s soccer in America is a bit like women’s golf in South Korea, although its rise was less organic and more bureaucratic. The 1972 Title IX legislation mandated equal treatment of male and female college athletes, even though guys are clearly more sports-crazed. It’s hard to come up with sports that coeds care much about, so soccer has prospered by default as perhaps their least unfavorite team sport.

“America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else has much cared.”

Thus, 333 NCAA Division I colleges host women’s soccer teams compared with only 204 men’s teams. And the women get 14 scholarships to only 9.9 for the men, for a total of 9,383 Division I scholarships for women versus merely 5,926 for men.

There are still more boys playing high school soccer than girls, but bribing girls with college scholarships has narrowed the gap.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Aft says:

    A classic “only Steve Sailer could write this” piece.

    a fate that the much more lucrative sport of women’s tennis has largely avoided

    What about those hulked-up she-beasts? And the continual worries over too much grunting etc. Used to be very watchable, now completely disgusting.

  2. Anon[707] • Disclaimer says:

    This is funny:

    The NBA, for instance, has wasted a lot of money on the WNBA since the late 1990s. A particularly costly mistake has been letting lesbians take over the culture of the WNBA, a fate that the much more lucrative sport of women’s tennis has largely avoided.

    This year, the media appeared newly intent on lesbianizing the image of women’s soccer as some sort of triple-bank-shot ploy in its War on Trump. This would not be good for women’s soccer’s popularity.

    The word “lesbian” is funny in itself.

    I think that lesbianization fears will be rendered moot by the imminent transmorgrification of women’s sports.

  3. The only reason women can play soccer at this level at at all is due to advances in ACL reconstruction surgery within the last 40 years.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Anon7
  4. Paul says:

    “The 1972 Title IX legislation mandated equal treatment of male and female college athletes, even though guys are clearly more sports-crazed.”

    That is what makes Title IX so absurd. It is like demanding there be just as many female engineering students at a school as there are males or as many heterosexual, male, dance students as there are heterosexual females.

  5. Dtbb says:

    Korean male golfers have to serve two years in the military, females do not.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  6. Why has the American national women’s soccer team won its version of the World Cup four times, while our national men’s team hasn’t made it past the quarterfinals since 1930?

    Because there is serious money competing for talented men in other sports. However, corporations looking to virtue-signal to the females are willing to fork over enough sponsorship money to make it worth a girl’s … albeit mostly Beckies … time.

  7. Cortes says:

    Revival of the Harlem Globetrotters model is a wonderful idea. It combines scarcity with a vaguely traditional concept akin to the peripatetic royal courts of early modern Europe.

    Or just the circus, snake-oil salesmen or Elmer Gantry.

  8. Twinkie says:

    “America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else has much cared.”

    The Japanese seem as obsessed with golf as the Koreans are, and have been at it much longer (supposedly Japan has as many golf courses as the rest of Asia combined). Why aren’t their women dominating the sport?

    Because success in women’s sports is extremely socially constructed.

    So with social construction, will Korean women be able to dominate the 100 meter dash at the Olympics?

  9. So rather than ape the NFL and NBA leagues, women’s sports would be better advised to adopt the barnstorming model of tennis and golf in which all the stars come to your city at once, but only a single time per year.

    A competition model that might really suit women’s sports is the one followed by Hong Kong’s Rugby Sevens tournament.

    Full-on rugby matches with 15 players on a side are pretty demanding, and can only be played like soccer or basketball games, i.e. they take at least an hour and a half, and players then need significant rest before they can play again at full strength.

    Rugby Sevens reduces the sides to seven players each, and matches are just 16 minutes long, i.e. two seven-minute halves with a two-minute halftime. All players get heavily involved, there’s lots of action because of the reduced numbers on the pitch, and since the matches are so short, teams can play mutiple times even in one day. This means a huge field comprising dozens of teams can play to a championship — along with several consolation rounds for the inevitable losers — in just two or three days.

    For players, a ‘season’ is no longer a single make-or-break slog to a single team left standing as that year’s champ. Instead, your team might win play in multiple tournaments, and lose plenty of matches, but one tournament win would make it a memorable year.

    Another advantage is that because matches are so short and free-flowing, players stay fresh and focused, so it’s plausible that the chances of injury are lower than in equivalent playing time spent in normal-length matches. This might be especially beneficial for female players and their fragile ACLs.

    For spectators, attending a Sevens tournment means you can watch every match — or you can watch sporadically, and spend most of your time wandering around the stadium having drinks and chatting with people. At the HK Sevens, lots of people dress up in flashy and/or silly costumes, and overall the atmosphere is fun and light-hearted. There are even breaks for entertainment, e.g. bands, a little parade, etc. It’s nice to cheer for the team that eventually wins, but even if your team bombs out, you can still have a great time.

    HK’s Sevens tournaments does indeed happen just once a year, so it’s a highlight of lots of spectators’ social calendars.

    I’m not sure how the game of soccer would, or could, be adjusted to fit this model, but team sports such as basketball and volleyball certainly could be.

  10. Twinkie says:
    @Dtbb

    Korean male golfers have to serve two years in the military, females do not.

    I suspect at least a part of the explanation is cultural. Koreans are more likely to emphasize academic success (and obsession) and conventional career success for boys than for girls while tolerating/encouraging non-academic activities for girls, especially if the said non-academic activities are deemed upscale.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
  11. Takeaways from the article:
    1. Don’t the kids going to Ajax Academy know they’re like slaves on a plantation?
    2 . I bet Team Putin would have the hottest looking players.

  12. @Paul

    The Left intends to liberate their clients from nature itself — especially from the clients’ nature. Women must do things that women abhor: take risks, work 80 hour weeks, ignore their children, kill their babies, have (induced) miscarriages — play physically dangerous sports.
    Hey, women, the Left has decided to liberate you from breathing air! Breath water from now on!

    Then, when the women dislike their liberation (or only highly atypical women will even participate), the Left blames its opponents (Who else? Themselves?) because the liberation is for highly moral reasons, and therefore opponents must be evil, and therefore responsible of the women’s evil dislike of the liberation.

    Typical New England, typical Semitic (Judaism and Islam). Repent for your own mistakes, guys, and I’d suggest a heavy self imposed penance. You might just become able to live with yourselves.

    (warning — offensive comment follows)

    Last time this happened (late Victorian era) the subject was male masturbation, which was said to cause insanity and feeble mindedness. The practice (a universal one) was held to be morally wrong (oponents were evil, so the policy was unquestionable), was heavily discouraged among children and adolescents (I leave out details here), and considerable damage was done. The present PC climate amounts to endless analogs to that campaign by the Left, with the damage blamed on the bystanders. Time to replace the coalition that is thus harassing us.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  13. Anon000 says:

    There only one golf course in North Korea. Pyongyang Golf Course. Talk about inhumane.

    Kim Jong Il opened the course by shooting a ‘world record 38 under par on his first ever round of golf’. This included eleven holes in one. Gangster. Koreans got it their 🧬

  14. I am surprised to hear US has hundreds of university soccer teams for either gender. I recall FIFA begging the US federation around 1996, to avoid being the only country in the world which organizes a World Cup, but lacks a national competition. Even now, there seem to be very few teams, to the point that there is still no relegation / promotion. (In other words, lower leagues are truly lower.)

    The though that males support their city’s team may work only for little-town Americans. FC Barcelona, NY Yankees, LA Lakers, Ferrari have fans everywhere on the planet, and wipe the floors with the most beloved country or country team. You say players “don’t play for Coke”, but I know some who play for Carlsberg, Pirelli, Phillips, or Volkswagen.

    “Our home team” is an exception that happens in American professional sports, where management goes for the lowest level of commitment in order to fleece more “fans”, and propagates mostly on groupthink. Even there, NYC and LA have two teams in most major professional leagues. One of them is named Red Bulls.

    Sports are marketing-dependent. Masturbating would be more useful than wasting time in passive watching. Most people realize that before they are 30. Some persist because alternatives, that is, the other TV and the other real-life fun they could access, is equally lousy. It doesn’t even matter if you are using home town pride or lesbian activism, professional sports exist on marketing relentlessly, in subtle, unexpected ways.

    “Subtle unexpected marketing” is also how I call your sports-centered articles. I wish I could throw in a joke about two kopeiks or two yuans, but I know you are doing their work for free. Sad.

  15. Arclight says:

    I am actually somewhat sympathetic to the US Women’s Team…I understand that they play fewer games, don’t bring in as much revenue (although apparently gate revenue is about the same for men and women) and that they benefit from how the US promotes girls sports at an early age whereas most of the competing countries do not.

    That said, they do win. And it’s not like the men’s players are going to refuse to participate in the national team if some of the revenue they produce goes to rewarding the women’s team. So personally, I would not be opposed to larger bonuses for the women’s team than they currently receive for overachieving in a sport the US is a laggard in on the men’s side.

  16. Travis says:

    It is not only that other nations do not care about women’s soccer, they actually despise and mock women playing soccer. A few years ago most South American Nations had no women’s soccer teams. In Latin America football is considered a male sport , like football in America. Girls are not encouraged and actually usually prohibited from playing soccer. High schools in South America do not even have female soccer teams.

    My wife is from Chile and played sports in high School, track and tennis. She never played soccer in her life, despite having 3 brothers and being athletic. When our daughter was young I mentioned enrolling her in the local soccer league, my wife went ballistic and yelled “my daughter will never play soccer’. It surprised me, as I was unaware of how much South Americans despised girls playing soccer. It is much more than a lack of interest. Soccer is seen as a macho sport for men, not an acceptable activity for females.

    2 years ago Chile did not have a national women’s soccer team. Neither did 10 other South American Nations. While soccer is the most popular sport by far in South America, most of the Nations in South America do not even have a female national team. Almost no high schools in South America allow females to play soccer. This is not due to lack of interests but because they actively despise girls playing a macho sport and will mock females who try to play the game. Only dikes and foreigners play soccer in Chile. The star player on the Chilean team had a German father and attended a German High School which allowed girls to play soccer.

  17. It wasn’t a bureaucratic thing, and people elsewhere did care. I got involved in soccer in 1972, and I watched its progress very carefully. Almost no one cared in 1972, but by the end of the decade, suburban parents were pushing their children, both boys and girls, onto soccer teams. I was astonished at the way that die-hard baseball fans who had never had a kind word to say about soccer ended up enrolling their kids onto soccer teams. All those girls wanted to keep playing into adulthood, and if they hadn’t had Title IX, they would have done what the rest of the world does: formed adult amateur teams. So, Title IX was irrelevant. It was the push by the parents that was relevant.

    Incidentally, this Title IX explanation was started by the feminists in 1999. The unexpectedly large crowds at a women’s sporting event was welcome news for them, but at the same time they had never promoted soccer. (Like I said, I watched its progress carefully, and I noticed who supported it and who didn’t, and feminists never did support it.) How could they take ownership of this amazing event when they had done nothing to make it happen? They did so by pointing to Title IX. And it was just as wrong then as it is now. Title IX didn’t draw young women into soccer; it was all those parents pushing their daughters onto soccer teams that did it.

    Also, girls and women elsewhere did care, as was shown by the movie Bend It Like Beckham. But they were thwarted by the sexism in their countries. Yes, America, despite feminists’ complaints about patriarchy, actually encouraged women’s soccer (as did the Scandinavian countries), whereas the traditional soccer powers, like Italy and even England, didn’t.

  18. Of course they have to bribe female athletes with scholarships. Men regularly walk on to participate in the sports they love, even without scholarships. Hardly any women will do that. Only scholarships will get them to participate in college sports. Duh.

  19. jim jones says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Cathay Pacific did a great advert promoting rugger to the Ant-People:

  20. Anon7 says:

    I have a retired friend who coached high school tennis part-time during the decade when Title IX was imposed. It almost drove him crazy.

    The school only had a certain number of courts, which limited how many kids could reasonably practice after school. There were 4 boys for every girl who wanted to play, but Title IX requires that there be an equal number of boys and girls. So girls who could take it or leave it all got to play and half of the boys who desperately wanted competitive exercise were kicked out.

    Progress!

  21. peterike says:

    Women’s soccer =

  22. But Americans aren’t sophisticated enough soccer fans to notice how much worse the quality of play is in women’s soccer than in men’s soccer.

    Actually tactically, and even watching a skilled player like Lavelle or Rapinoe move the ball, top level women’s soccer is often more entertaining than many a turgid MLS match or watching some crap defensive team like Greece park the bus in men’s competitions to try to earn a fluke win. I am in Europe, and a lot of men watched the Cup this year because, hey, there is not much other soccer on TV and in many ways the women are more fun than the U-21 tournament that just ended. Women’s World Cup is like a good high school American football game – the enthusiasm makes up for the lack of skill. I find Olympic women’s ice hockey entertaining for the same reason, it may even be better matched to the size of the rink than modern men’s hockey, where the players are now too fast and too good.

  23. Anon7 says:
    @Arclight

    “And it’s not like the men’s players are going to refuse to participate in the national team if some of the revenue they produce goes to rewarding the women’s team.”

    You want to bet? How happy would you be with sharing your hard-earned money with the less competent?

    If women want to compete with men on salary, great. Let them compete on the court with men as well. The current system, which emphasizes the top 200 players, will ensure that you will never see another woman play tennis on TV. At the peak of her game, Serena Williams ranked about world number 750 in men’s tennis.

  24. I read “ … because nobody else has much cared.” instead of “ … because nobody else cares.” from your blog post of 3 days back. That’s a little more genteel for the full article that lots more people may read and quote you from.

    I like the 1st wording, from your blog post, but I understand you have to back off just a bit sometimes to get any traction.

    Totally off this subject, but just on your writing, it’s this kind of stuff here that I really enjoy reading:

    If tomorrow there were a Khmer Rouge coup in Washington and the government began executing people who wear glasses, the big time law firms would just add free laser eye surgery to the employee benefit list and carry on unimpeded.

    I meant to write a comment under that post but didn’t get around to it.

  25. By the way, my vague impression is that we have quietly entered a golden age of Balkan athletes.

    The age of the Dinarosaurs!

  26. Corvinus says:

    “There are still more boys playing high school soccer than girls, but bribing girls with college scholarships has narrowed the gap.”

    Offering, not bribing. Did your editor not catch the blatant error? Or, at least be consistent and say how both boys and girls are being seduced to play sportsball at the collegiate level, rather than forgoing their athletic career for marriage and (white) kids.

    “Success in women’s golf is largely a Social Construct of how much fathers want their daughters to win at golf. Right now, Korean dads obsess over that much more than do American or Australian dads.”

    You carded a triple bogey on 18, Mr. Sailer. Actually, that success is well-earned due to the Tiger (Mom) Effect. In 1998, Se-ri Pak won the U.S. Women’s Open. Her brilliance was on par with an American who took the golf world by storm. You may have heard of him. Anyways, a group of ten-year-old girls saw a fellow countrywoman reign victorious at the world’s most iconic women’s golf major championship. By 2007 and 2008, there were a half dozen playing on Tour born in 1988 or later.

    Along with Pak, Jiyal Shin and So Yeon Ryu showed young ladies across that nation what could be achieved through hard work, dedication, and God-given talent. No more different than the fellas here in the States who aspire to be on Tour. I didn’t NOTICE that such traits were dubious.

    As a result, South Korea poured financial resources to create a top-flight academy program, a two-part stepping-stone process (the Jump Tour and the Dream Tour) for aspiring professionals, no different than the 2000’s explosion of female club soccer teams and shoe-company sponsored female AAU basketball squads here in the States. Women’s golf in South Korea truly began to separate itself from the rest of the globe.

    Seong Yeoun Lee, the money leader on the Dream Tour in 2017, was asked about her thoughts on the program–“Of course it must be helpful for other countries’ players and their golf industry. Dream Tour lets players who play a similar level compete with each other. That gives you the experience. If there’s no system or structure like Dream Tour and Jump Tour, I think there’s no chance to improve ourselves.”

    You would think that a so-called pattern recognition expert would have actually taken some time to, well, look at patterns.

    “Nichols recounts a conversation she had with a Korean journalist during the 2016 KEB Hana Bank Championship about the topic. “He said that for Korean players, it’s about survival,” she recalls. “The hunger to win stems from their culture. But really, I think that comes down to their strong minds. They are built to win; they are expected to win; and they feed off that.”

    Source –> https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/features/the-game/why-are-south-koreans-so-good-at-golf-141381

    Is this quotation not part and parcel to human biodiversity?

    “America’s 9,383 Division I soccer scholarships are an enormous financial investment in women’s soccer, especially considering that the rest of the world doesn’t have college women’s soccer scholarships, or college soccer, or, until recently, women’s soccer.”

    Most notably because our collegiate sports system is unique compared to the world.

  27. Back in 2004 the best 14-year-old golfer on the planet might well have been a girl, the Korean-American Michelle Wie, who entered the PGA Tour’s Sony Open and shot 72–68, missing the cut by only one stroke, which was better than 47 male professionals.

    Females have their highest strength to size ratio at age 13 or 14. In the 1990s, the international federations for gymnastics, figure skating, and tennis either banned or severely limited athletes under the age of 15 from competing on the senior level. Sarah Hughes, last American Olympic ladies’ gold medalist in figure skating, was able to start competing on the senior level in 1999 at age 13 due to a loophole that was quickly closed.

  28. Barnard says:
    @Aft

    That just isn’t true. The last grunters were Viktoria Azarenka and Maria Sharapova, who are not she-beasts and have faded from the top of the game. Even out of the top 50 players a majority play up their femininity and most of them are dating or married to men. She beast Serena is married and had a baby and came back to play.

    The WTA is heavily promoting women’s tennis in China with limited success. After Li Na won the French and Australian Open earlier this decade and then retired no other player from China has stepped up and had consistent success. There are now more tournaments in China than any other country, but they currently only have three players in the top 50 who all tend to perform poorly in the Grand Slam events. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

  29. I still find it fascinating how with each passing day, everything gets politicized. As Floyd Mayweather pointed out, no one called Donald Trump a racist (at least of any note) until he ran for president. Somehow, on a team that has had gays for years, some quite famously (Wambach), Rapinoe and the media have made it another “us vs them” persecution complex event, with lots of “take that Trump and Trump voters!” This in spite of the fact that many Trump voters, like most of the center America, left and right are rather libertarian on sexual orientation and when it comes to “womynz” the right is even more cucked than the left–falling over themselves to support women’s sports like the USWNT. A team that is nearly 100 percent white by the way.

    Rapinoe demands respect from the nation she plays for, then kneels for the national anthem of those same people and nation, then cashes the check and goes on her merry way. It’s as farcical as the top politicos in the old Soviet Union, arguing communism while privately having their own shopping centers, cars, luxury flats and other resources. Our nation has been completely Gaslit into a kind of trance where narratives do not even need an organic basis or origin–they just need to be spoken into existence like Logos. Rapinoe, like most of the team, probably comes from the most elite of American families (Dutch or Italian) and has never wanted for anything–other than America to bow and accept her sexual orientation overtly–anything less is just deplorable.

    Not sure they way out or back, other than crumbling and restarting. And by the way, #RapinoeDonatePrizeMoney should definitely be spread.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
  30. Fozziet says:

    Hotness in women’s golf is definitely a thing. Check out @golfbabes on Twitter to see what I mean.

  31. bomag says:
    @a boy and his dog

    advances in ACL reconstruction surgery

    Good point.

    Every. Single. Somewhat above average female basketball player I know has had knee surgery.

  32. I just got back to the article, and slogged through the golfety-golf-golf-golf part* ;-} . I got to that just under 10,000 women’s soccer scholarship number. Holy crap, for just a $30,000 value (say tuition and some room/board) for 4 years, that comes out to near a third of a billion bucks! What a waste, unless you just figure that well, when it comes to a University “education”, only suckers pay retail.

    .

    * Hey, don’t get me wrong, Steve, I’m all for keeping golf courses in business, if only because the fairways make great emergency landing strips for small-aircraft with engine problems.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  33. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Did you pass?

  34. NZ just beat India in the cricket world cup semi-final. I can’t stop smiling.

    If anyone here is working with arrogant pompous brahmins, I suggest plunging the knife in. It will hurt them a lot.

  35. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Japan has more higher ranked mens players than south Korea. Roughly twice the population size obviously.

    Japanese women don’t seem to play golf much.

  36. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Womens college hockey….

    Let me guess, you have a gambling problem ?

  37. Rosie says:
    @Arclight

    And it’s not like the men’s players are going to refuse to participate in the national team if some of the revenue they produce goes to rewarding the women’s team.

    I doubt they really care that much TBH. As I said, I get the impression that soccer boys are gentlemen.

  38. Those barnstorming women’s teams already exist, sort of. In soccer, it is U. of North Carolina, and in basketball, it is UConn. There was a 19-year span, 1982-2000, that had North Carolina win all but three of the NCAA finals. Apparently there is now more women’s soccer talent to spread around the country, because since winning in 2000, North Carolina has “only” won the tournament final five more times. The UConn women’s basketball team had a four-year, 126-game winning streak.

    UConn and North Carolina don’t play against Team Putin. Instead they generate a buzz when they come to town to play other schools somewhat as if the Yankees had arrived for an exhibition against your city’s high school all-stars. “Oh, my, it is such an honor to appear on the same field and be trounced by such greatness.”

    • Replies: @Galactic Overlord
  39. @Arclight

    Total prize money for the women’s World Cup teams was $30 million , 23% of the revenue of $131 million generated from TV and attendance revenues in 2019.

    While FIFA allocated 7% of the revenue from the men’s World Cup participants in 2018, which was $400 million of the $6 billion revenue. Thus the women actually get a much bigger piece of the smaller pie available.

    Based on percentage of revenue, the men are vastly underpaid compared to the women. Why do the men accept a paltry 7% of the World Cup revenues ? They should demand 23% of the revenue like the women players get.

  40. @Twinkie

    The Japanese seem as obsessed with golf as the Koreans are, and have been at it much longer (supposedly Japan has as many golf courses as the rest of Asia combined). Why aren’t their women dominating the sport?

    Cultural differences, different priorities, perhaps different development systems, plus as Steve mentioned, the South Koreans had the catalyst of Se-ri Pak winning two majors in 1998. A Japanese woman is currently ranked number 6 in LPGA. Golf isn’t the only sport. I believe only one South Korean woman, Yuna Kim, has medaled in figure skating at the World Championships or Olympics, whereas numerous Japanese women have medaled since the late 1970s.

    So with social construction, will Korean women be able to dominate the 100 meter dash at the Olympics?

    To understand social construct look at the event prior to 1972. From 1928 to 1968, only four black women medaled in the event – all Americans and all in the 1960s. Three of the four attended Tennessee State University. The fourth attended Cal State Northridge which did not have a women’s track team. All four were born in the Jim Crow South and none competed under Title IX.

    Since 1972, the women’s Olympic 100m has been pharmacuetically constructed. From 1972 to 1980 the six of the nine medals went to East or West Germany. From 1984 to 2016, 23 of the 27 medals awarded went to either the US or Jamaica. Besides Cuba in 1972, no other Caribbean country besides Jamaica and no West African country have ever medaled in the history of the event.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_at_the_Olympics

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  41. @Aft

    Who started this grunting business, anyway?

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Joe Joe
  42. A friend of mines daughter played College soccer on a scholarship. It’s basically a bunch of lesbians bullying the straight girls. He advised against it in the grand plan to get daughters a full ride.

  43. The term “coed” is just as condescending and stupid as “becky.” Drop it.

  44. @Aft

    I thought they tennis authorities were moving to ban grunting because they correctly realized that the grunting was being done to gain a competitive advantage by interfering with the sound of the ball impacting the racket strings.

    This interference with that aural cue could throw the opponent’s timing and provide an advantage to the grunter.

  45. cthoms says:

    So rather than ape the NFL and NBA leagues, women’s sports would be better advised to adopt the barnstorming model of tennis and golf in which all the stars come to your city at once, but only a single time per year.

    There is a sport that follows this model exactly, very successfully, coincidentally with its largest event going on right now: cycling. Why on earth (at least outside the US) is “women’s cycling” almost a complete non-sequitur?

  46. @Anon

    If WNBA really wanted to be popular they’d follow the lead of the Lingerie….I’m sorry, Legends Football League.

    I will leave research on the Legends Football League to the interested student.

  47. @Twinkie

    Asian women are strong for their size. East Asian and Southeast Asian countries dominate women’s Olympic weight-lifting in the lighter classes and have won over half of the gold medals in the heavier weight classes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_weightlifting#Women

    Asian women also do well in Olympic martial arts (judo and taekwondo) both because of their strength and the value that their countries place on combat sports.

    As for the pharmaceutical construct, Thailand voluntarily banned itself from weightlifting (both men and women) in the 2019 World Championships and the 2020 Olympics due to doping. The World Championships will be held in Thailand this year with no Thai competitors.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  48. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Because success in women’s sports is extremely socially constructed.

    So with social construction, will Korean women be able to dominate the 100 meter dash at the Olympics?

    A good counterpoint, but the Olympic results have a significant social construct element to them given the national prestige aspect (especially during the cold war). Men’s and women’s medals tend to be lumped in the count which makes for more incentive in the presumably less competitive women’s events.

    In other words, more people care about women’s Olympic results than women’s soccer world cup results.

    It is also easier to realize individual talent in individual sports like track than team sports like soccer. High level team sport performance tends to require an elaborate feeder infrastructure.

    Team sports also offer a much worse investment/medal ratio in the Olympics.

    P.S. While writing this comment I ran across a couple of good resources for Olympic medals.
    Winter Olympics through 2014: http://graphics.latimes.com/winter-olympics/
    Summer Olympics through 2008: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/datablog/2012/jun/25/olympic-medal-winner-list-data

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  49. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Every team plays to the end of the tournament too, with cup, plate, and bowl trophies depending on when you got knocked out of the cup. You don’t just go home when you lose in the knockout – you get siphoned into the plate or bowl. Because it’s a grand prix season points system to find the final overall winner those consolation games are still hugely important. As you say, it’s a pretty good setup.

  50. @Twinkie

    I think Koreans in general are a little bigger and more athletic than Japanese.

  51. This year, the media appeared newly intent on lesbianizing the image of women’s soccer as some sort of triple-bank-shot ploy in its War on Trump. This would not be good for women’s soccer’s popularity.

    My surmise has been that the only viable spectator market for college and professional women’s soccer is the suburban conservadad who had girls instead of boys and who wants to make the best of it with a healthy and wholesome shared pastime in order to keep his daughters out of boy trouble and drug trouble. That’s the sense I get from girl’s soccer – (white) suburban dads in giant SUVs carting their daughters all over on the weekends to play in tournaments and keep an eye on them. This group is necessarily going to skew Republican/conservative/traditionally religious and decidedly not going to want their daughters to emulate a group of tattooed soft butch lesbians with attitudes hostile to their values.

    That said, I was in a bar with a buddy when the U.S. women were playing Chile (had to look that up to recall) and there was a group of mixed race, mixed sex twenty-somethings 0r thirty-somethings to our right there for an early work Happy Hour or somesuch and they were really into the game and knew all the players etc. (This was in a really lefty/hipstery area). Maybe this is the intended audience, but my guess is that hipster and YUPPY types don’t have an interest in women’s soccer to sustain paying these women to kick balls except in the World Cup tournament years.

  52. Good grief. Girls get to play soccer too — fine good and yea!

    But unless they bring in bank to cover the expense as with male sports they should simply be thankful and really cease whining. If anything they should trotting over to male football and basketball players for the financial windfall that is derived from their grueling workouts and schedule.

    and in the professional arena — there should be no question — the sport lives or dies b y its ability to attract private dollars. The only exception might be when said team members represent the US in international games.

    However, such expense should demand that all players respond accordingly to respect for to those symbols of the US – no question.
    ——-

    Even the black athletes in were standing in respect to country, the added support for black US citizens did not diminish that.

    And for goof griefs sake — be “good winners.”

  53. markflag says:
    @Anon

    A friend used the term “lez BEEshan”, even funnier sounding than the root word.

  54. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m not sure how the game of soccer would, or could, be adjusted to fit this model, but team sports such as basketball and volleyball certainly could be.

    Kicking in Sevens is much more rare than in Rugby Union, so the ball stays in play with fewer restarts to keep the match moving at a fast pace. Additionally, the entirety of both ends of the pitch in Rugby over the try line is the scoring area, whereas shots on goal in soccer very often end up with the ball out of play resulting in a stoppage of play and change of possession for a restart of play.

    You’d have to adapt the field of play itself in soccer so that the ball remains in play much more than it does now. I’d also imagine that having all the players (even if only six a side plus goalies) bunched up around the net at one end in soccer wouldn’t yield the same increase in scoring that removing eight players from both sides does for Rugby Sevens – it’s a matter of making both sides engage in more unassisted open field tackling that opens the space for scoring in Rugby Sevens. My guess is that what you’d see in a Sevens-like version of women’s soccer is a shortened version of Sunday’s match – one team getting multiple scoring chances, most low quality, with little or no scoring anyway. Lots of 0-0 results would make a nightmare of a tournament.

  55. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    Asian women are strong for their size. East Asian and Southeast Asian countries dominate women’s Olympic weight-lifting in the lighter classes and have won over half of the gold medals in the heavier weight classes.

    Does it help to be of shorter stature or to have proportionately shorter legs?

  56. @Arclight

    Joe Manchin of WV introduced a bill to block federal funds for the 2026 World Cup until the women get equal pay. This raises the question of why taxpayers are funding either the women’s or the men’s teams? They should shake down corporations or hold car washes. What a ridiculous use of money.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “Co-eds”? What is this, 1964?

  58. @Anon

    The common opinion of mankind has been that male homosexuality is kind of disgusting, female homosexuality kind of comical.

  59. Women’s soccer in America is a bit like women’s golf in South Korea, although its rise was less organic and more bureaucratic.

    Okay, it was bottom-up at the start, but Korean golf training resembles that of gymnastics, figure skating, and the like in the West, which are plenty bureaucratic in their own way, and which nobody would ever call “organic”.

    Russian women’s tennis is in the same position. Much like Dutch boys’ soccer, but in its infancy. Thus:

    Back in 2004 the best 14-year-old golfer on the planet might well have been a girl, the Korean-American Michelle Wie…

    To put this in perspective, Tiger Woods, the greatest golf prodigy of all, never made the cut in a pro tournament until age 18.

    This is a perfect example of Frans Johansson’s observation that the 10,000-hour floor is a nearly iron-clad rule in mature fields (eg, classical violin) but easily skirted in nascent ones (eg, punk rock and rap).

    All the wrinkles have been ironed out of men’s golf ages ago, and it’s a long, hard plow to the top for anyone. Women’s golf is more like the Wild West, open to anybody who dares, with the F Scott era serving as ghost town.

  60. @John Derbyshire

    The common opinion of mankind has been that male homosexuality is kind of disgusting, female homosexuality kind of comical.

    Like real divorce vs the gay kind. Tragedy, comedy, as Marx would say.

    Had Gaetan Dugas infected women, he’d have gone down (sorry!) as one of history’s great monsters. Instead, he comes off as a clown.

    Gacy and Corll went after boys, and horrify us. Dahmer is somewhere in the middle, with his victims both under- and of age. We can joke about him.

  61. @John Derbyshire

    A most penetrating observation, by the way.

  62. Speaking of men’s soccer, the 2026 World Cup will be spread across the US, Canada, and Mexico.

    Canada may get an automatic place as co-host. Their only other appearance was in 1986, in Mexico.

    Could Mexico’s 1986 mascot survive Canada’s hate crime laws or Silicon Valley’s energetic SJWs?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  63. @John Derbyshire

    The common opinion of mankind has been that male homosexuality is kind of disgusting, female homosexuality kind of comical.

    There is a bias, I think, in that most people don’t consider wholly unattractive women to be sexual creatures – two fat old female “roommates” with short hair don’t really have sexual contact, do they? Perhaps they never did, and in any event there’s no joy in thinking much about it. They seem just to enjoy one another’s company, share expenses, and maybe a flannel wardrobe. Let’s dismiss it as a “Boston Marriage” and be done thinking about the thing.

    Things change when one or both participants are deemed some combination of young/attractive/otherwise marriageable. The attitudes range from intrigue to disappointment and a sense of loss, rather than comedy.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  64. “Instead, the proven methods for thriving in the men’s World Cup are the Brazilian—let slum youths kick a soccer ball all day as they play hooky—and the Dutch—enroll the best 7- and 8-year-old boys in an intensive academy owned by a major-league team”

    Sounds like that baseball factory called the Dominican Republic.

  65. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    The bigger question is why are male and female World Cup so far apart in terms of space and time. US should require that the two competitions are simultaneous, just like tennis tournaments or the Olympics. There will be imbeciles in the stands, but there won’t be many TV viewers.

    Alternatively, the Women’s World Cup could happen just a bit later, as it is the case with the other Paralympics.

    The fact that the federal SO-NOT-COMMUNIST government organizes and pays for World Cups should have been guessed when the US prosecutors went after FIFA officials for “corruption”. It was a tantrum, caused by those FIFA officials taking someone else’s bribe.

    Also, grandiose sports events at government’s expense are not a Democrat disease. See Salt Lake City.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  66. @Peter Akuleyev

    High level women’s soccer demonstrates some playing skill with bursts of absolutely awful gaffes — corner kicks that NEVER stay in bounds from the moment the ball is struck, to horrid first touches, to switching balls that either don’t reach their targets or go wildly awry, to slow rolling passes that get gathered up by the opposition.

    And we’re not talking about Thailand here. These issues are common to all the teams that made it to to the quarter finals, even England, who had a real soccer coach who undoubtedly schooled them in fundamental principles.

    Serena Williams has said that if she played Andy Murray, she’d lose 6-love, 6-love in about 10 minutes. Do we hear ANYTHING like that from these smugly self-appointed leftist female players like Rapinoe or Morgan?

    No. It’s all, “Equal Pay!! Equal Pay!! I have come to loathe them.

    The fact is that at a high level youth soccer team of U16 boys — pick any of the 30 or so top youth clubs in the States, or even better, the U16 team at ManU or Arsenal — and if those boys played the US women’s team, the ladies would never see the ball.

    Ever.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  67. Altai says:

    The modern style of “Total Football” was largely perfected by Ajax about 50 years ago.

    I’d hardly call it modern, Total Football isn’t played by anyone anymore, it was only tried briefly in the 70s. It’s extremely difficult and wasteful of players natural talents not to mention more difficult to train players to fill every role. It was tried briefly by Dutch clubs and once by the national team. It was ambitious, romantic and a novelty and kind of plays up to people’s notions of the Netherlands as a place of disciplined engaged planning and problem solving that disregards other people’s expectations, so people like to talk about it. But it was a failure. Modern Dutch teams have nothing to do with it and more recent successful Dutch teams have often been quite unapologetically unexciting in play. (Though not necessarily unsuccessful)

    It was a weird idea that was in a sense a manifestation of excessive managerial aspirations and excessive notions of managerial importance.

  68. @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Rapinoe is one of the most disagreeable public people on the planet atm. Her personality oozes contempt for the ‘wrong’ sort of person.

  69. Corvinus says:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Actually, the smugness comes from people who think that women’s golf in South Korea is the result of “dubious domination”, as my forthcoming comment, which is under moderation, will attest.

  70. I got through the golf talk and now there are serious comments about soccer here … from AMERICANS. Gimme a break! Ann Coulter and I agree that this football, or soccer as Americans call it, sucks. It should be dubbed Communist Kickball.

    There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to catch a ball coming at you in ANY game, and pick it up with the two hands God gave you. I don’t care how many flags those refs throw down. I give the players credit for aerobic fitness that beats probably any other American sport except Ultimate Frisbee. Ultimate Frisbee should be the up-and-coming sport, not this BS. Have you ever passed the disk over 3 guys’ heads into the end-zone where it just stops and drops vertically right toward the receiver like a UFO? It’s a scene, man, and beats hell out of knocking your head into a ball. What the hell is that?!

  71. Up2Drew says:

    I played college baseball.

    I realized it was a non-revenue sport and the program existed entirely at the whim of the university bean counters (although we were pretty good).

    I was thankful for the opportunity to play with my school’s name plastered across my jersey shirt. It was fun, and made a nice respite from my engineering classes.

    Women have had smoke blown up their butts for so long now they’ve lost all concept of relevance and leverage.

  72. MEH 0910 says:
    @Aft

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  73. @Prodigal son

    Total prize money for the women’s World Cup teams was $30 million , 23% of the revenue of $131 million generated from TV and attendance revenues in 2019.

    While FIFA allocated 7% of the revenue from the men’s World Cup participants in 2018, which was $400 million of the $6 billion revenue. Thus the women actually get a much bigger piece of the smaller pie available.

    Based on percentage of revenue, the men are vastly underpaid compared to the women. Why do the men accept a paltry 7% of the World Cup revenues ? They should demand 23% of the revenue like the women players get.

    How about we take all of the revenue that would be distributed to both the U.S. men’s and the U.S. women’s teams, put it into a “prize pot,” and have the teams play one another with the winning team taking the whole prize pot?

    That way, the women’s team (which I am assured is far superior) could have not only what the men make, but what the men make and what they make now!

    We’ll call it “The U.S. Cup.”

    • Replies: @Cybele
  74. @Anonymous

    Womens college hockey….

    You can see the the promotional spots now:

    “It’s like hockey – at almost half speed and without the violence!”

  75. edgar says:

    Just a few hours before the FIFA women’s world cup game, the USA women’s Volleyball Nations League team defeated Brazil for the championship.

    This generated zero public interest and zero media coverage.

    Women’s professional volleyball is a better game to watch than men’s because the womens’ play is more versatile and rounded. You see more digs, more setup’s, and a wider range of attacks than in the men’s game which is just spike, spike, spike.

    Almost all of the US VNL women’s players are stars on the international stage and play for teams around the world including serious professional volleyball leagues in volleyball enthusiast countries like Brazil, Turkey, Germany, Italy, and China, Most professional volleyball teams around the world recruit from US college teams. And the volleyball ladies make serious money as professionals.

    Yet the USA volleyball ladies are ignored.

    And unlike the play in the FIFA world cup, where every single pass attempt is an open question whether it will be completed, and the women are completely incapable of playing strategies taken for granted on even the weakest of men’s teams, you will not see the volleyball played better.

    I watched the Copa America and Gold Cup championships as well as the FIFA. The men were simply in another universe when it comes to skill, tactics, and thrilling play. I am being utterly objective when I say that the ladies’ play was an embarassment to the sport.

    Parents who love their daughters and want to see them excel in a sport should shield them from being exposed to women’s soccer and let them see how the game is really played in high quality international tournaments. But better yet, they should get them started on volleyball. A much better sport for women all around.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @Prosa123
  76. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    “On the other hand, teenage girls don’t necessarily get better at sports as they age and the estrogen flows.“

    See about swimmer Missy Franklin and her 2012 v 2016 Olympic decline:

    https://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/17/missy-franklin-struggles-rio-olympics-100-percent-emotional-mental-physical/

  77. @Cowboy shaw

    Rapinoe is angry because she knows that her future holds nothing but Lesbian Bed Death and endless years of toil as a D3 assistant women’s soccer coach for $36k a year while being surrounded by an infinite stream of taut young female bodies.

  78. Charming:

  79. Bugg says:

    It’s eyeballs and money. Never heard a male figure skater or tennis player complain how women in their sport are better paid. Have no idea if men skaters are better or worse than the women, really, same idea, who cares, nobody watches the men. But the women are every 4 years the highlight of the winter Olympics. As to tennis, men can easily beat women, but the men scoring ace serves is not as compelling a watch as the women volleying significantly more.

    Russia men’s World Cup, total revenue : $ 6 billion. Men players got only 7% of that revenue as FIFA stole the rest. France women’s World Cup : $131 million, but the women got 22% of that, probably only because FIFA didn’t think there was enough to steal. The next men’s World Cup is in some Arab dump, but will still outdraw and outgross the women by a huge multiple. And the one after that in 2026 will be hosted jointly by the US, Mexico and Canada and have an expanded field. IT will be even bigger and dwarf any women’s tournament.

    The MLS is getting better; the have enthusiastic crowds. Even at Yankee Stadium they draw very well. But there is no decent American women’s league. Going on vacation in England in the fall.I have found tickets to EPL games are expensive and the games are sold out so I am basically reduced to StubHub -type scalping . Either way nobody is paying that much to see women on either side of the ocean .

    Same thing every 4 years with this, and women’s hockey and basketball. There is a boomlet for about a year that goes nowhere once TV grasps women don’t care as much about sports as men. The WNBA is a loss leader that the NBA mostly keeps around to keep the PC police off their back. Nobody wants to see the game played a foot below the rim and lesbians taking 2-handed set shots like Bob Cousy in 1958. And the women’s pro hockey league is playing down at what amounts to local ice palaces rather than Madison Square Garden. In fairness some of the women’s hockey players are fast, but it’s nonchecking and none of them are as talented as men.

  80. Barnard says:
    @Tono Bungay

    Monica Seles was the first one I remember.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  81. @edgar

    Volleyball is becoming a bigger deal for both boys and girls these days. Sort of like lacrosse is booming for the forgotten white middle class.

    But volleyball requires height for you to really be able to spike. A short girl won’t be able to elevate enough to get above the net for a nice gravity-aided spike. Also the bigger the wing-span the easier it is to reach the ball for any sort of hit. So the tall girls who don’t make the basketball team (the white chicks) can rock the volleyball team.

  82. going by the latest NFHS report, from the 2018 high school year, girls sports participation is all the way up to 3.4 million girls per school year. this is, probably, measured in girl-years. that is, if 1 girl plays 3 sports in a school year, that counts as a participation of 3. soccer in the fall, swimming in the winter, and track in the spring, for example. so while the number of girls playing any sport in one school year is less than 3 million, it’s still high.

    seeing as how boys sports participation was at 4.5 million for the 2018 school year, or more technically, probably 4.5 million boy-years, the girls have caught up quite a bit compared to how things were in 1970. encouraging girls to play sports has worked.

    in 1970 there were about 3.6 million boy-years, and only 300,000 girl-years according to the historical report. so about 12 boys per girl. yet 10 years later that had ramped up, so that by the 1980 high school year, boys were steady at about 3.5 million boy-years, but girls had increased all the way to 1.7 million girl-years. changing the ratio from 12:1 to 2:1. this ratio continued to narrow slowly over the next 30 years.

    today the ratio is about 1.3, which is probably where it will stay.

    steve is dead on the money when it comes to the US doing things which other nations don’t care about. although this is more of a side effect of ‘good institutions’ than a deliberate ploy to compete internationally in sports nobody cares about.

    if you have existing sports programs for boys, then you can just make mirror programs for girls, if you want to encourage girls sports. so you can easily piggyback on that. this has lead the US to have lots of big, well developed sports programs for girls in volleyball, soccer, softball, cross country, and golf, which other nations mostly don’t care about.

    only track & field, swimming & diving, and tennis are sports where other nations mostly have well developed programs, for the purpose of competing at the international level. so the US doesn’t get any big advantage here, creating a mirror program of the boys team for a girls team. these weren’t ball sports in league play, so if you wanted womens players at the international level you had to develop a program from scratch, outside of any NCAA type framework, and lots of first world nations did. it’s not that hard – again, you create a mirror of the boys program. but you do it without the institutional momentum of an existing organizing body.

    sports that are smaller can follow a similar plan, so if you want women to play ice hockey for instance, you follow the same steps.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  83. @Cowboy shaw

    Rapinoe is one of the most disagreeable public people on the planet

    Rapinoe is shrill, smug, self-righteousness, narrow-minded, parochial and privileged. She’s a perfect lib – what’s not to like?

  84. Anon7 says:
    @a boy and his dog

    Nice. Women are 2 to 10 times more likely to suffer an ACL injury than men; in soccer women are 3-5 times more likely. Several $billion are spent every year on surgery and rehab; you figure out the cost of Title IX just for this injury alone.

    This does not include the cost of osteoarthritis; doctors estimate that women with an ACL tear are from 50% to 100% likely to develop it later in life.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  85. @Corvinus

    as my forthcoming comment, which is under moderation, will attest

    I have a forthcoming comment, under moderation, which proves that no three positive integers a, b, and c satisfy the equation an + bn = cn for any integer value of n greater than 2.

  86. @Prodigal son

    Why do the men accept a paltry 7% of the World Cup revenues ? They should demand 23% of the revenue like the women players get.

    The best players in the men’s world cup are all multimillionaires already, so they are playing for kudos and bragging rights. Plus if you star in a World Cup, your future earnings from transfers, contracts, and endorsements will be vast.

  87. @Anonymous

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAMBLING PROBLEM.
    There is only a losing problem.

  88. “[Michelle Wie] recently announced her engagement to NBA executive Jonnie West, the son of the legend Jerry West, and that she is taking the rest of the year off from the LPGA grind to recuperate.”

    Wow! That must have been some announcement if it’s going to take her a year to recover!

  89. Nick Diaz says:

    I would suggest that YOU are kind of disgusting, both physically and morally. You are very unattractive both in terms of your physical appearance and your character. You are a homely guy, and physically underdeveloped. Harldy a specimen of masculinity. So maybe you shouldn’t be so critical of gay men, since you are not exactly Mr.Macho Man yourself. No wonder that you had to buy a woman from Asia, since no Western women would want you. In tems of character, some of the most odious sexist and ethnocentrist vitriol that I have read at Unz.com has come from you, and that is saying something from someone who posts in a fringe quasi-racist, ultra-rightist group like Unz.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  90. Prosa123 says:
    @edgar

    Don’t women’s volleyball players have to be very tall?

  91. @MEH 0910

    Wimbledon has officially dropped the use of “Miss” and “Mrs” when announcing scores in women’s tennis matches. Here’s why it’s long overdue: https://t.co/l2K9TUaJ1R pic.twitter.com/dVNR6fTX9X

    — Forbes (@Forbes) July 9, 2019

    One of the most irritating stylistic quirks of our times is the frequent use, by moral scold journalists online, of the phrase “here’s why it is…”

  92. @John Mansfield

    FYI: UConn’s 126-game streak was in regular-season games only. Counting postseason games, the Huskies’ longest streak was 111, covering at least part of three seasons (also an all-divisions NCAA record for basketball, regardless of sex).

    Both streaks began after UConn lost to Stanford in the second game of the 2014–15 season. The 111-game streak ended in the 2017 Final Four when Mississippi State won on a buzzer-beater in the semifinals; the 126-game streak ended this past season at the hands of Baylor (which went on to win the title).

  93. @Prosa123

    Generally yes. However, since 1998, international volleyball introduced a new position, libero (a name borrowed from soccer). The NCAA introduced the role in 2002, and US high schools followed not long thereafter. As in soccer, the libero is a defensive specialist.

    The libero is required to wear a contrasting color from the rest of his or her team. I presume this is to allow the officials to easily distinguish that player, because volleyball rules place a series of restrictions on the libero. Several of these make height much less of an advantage in that position.

    First, the libero can only play in the back row.

    Second, and most important: The libero cannot block or attack the ball when it’s entirely above the height of the net.

    Also significant: A libero must be standing fully behind the 3-meter line when making an overhand set. Otherwise, his or her teammates cannot attack the ball above the net in front of the 3-meter line. By contrast, an underhand pass from the libero can be attacked from any point on the player’s side of the court.

    Incidentally, the libero is also not allowed to serve under international rules. NCAA rules for both men and women allow the libero to serve for one specific player in a rotation.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  94. @Prosa123

    Yes. On high school teams there will be a few short diggers. But not a great sport for 80 % of women.

    Best sports for women: softball for stronger/thicker girls, track for thin-boned girls, soccer for more typically framed athletic women.

    Volleyball is boring and does little for the cardiovascular system. No running involved.

  95. edgar says:
    @Prosa123

    Yes, tall players have an advantage. The average height of US women collegiate players is about 5’10”. However, players in the libero slot are typically shorter and have an advantage at digs. A team of all tall women may be at a disadvantage against a team that has some shorter players who out dig. Mako Kobata, who had the best digging statistics at the VNL tournament, won the 2019 Montreux Volley Masters best libero award. She is 5’4″ .

  96. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:

    Drew carey lays the smack down on Americans and their ignorance, on why football or “soccer” is the greatest sport in the World. He addresses the criticism of the scoring. He is right. Much worse than low scoring is the massive amount of scoring in basketball, which makes the scoring meaningless. In soccer, the “almosts” is what makes it exciting, and when the goal does happen it is almost like an orgasm. Americans will never get it due to their insularity and provinciliasm, which makes them immediately hostile to anything that is not typically American. Carey, also addresses the criticism that football is a sport for little girls, and not a man’s sport. In reality, professional men’s soccer is incredibly violent, one of the most savage sports. There are almost as many concussions in soccer as there is in American football, but there are far, far more serious kness, leg and spine injuries than in American football. Far more professional soccer players end up in wheeelchairs than in American football. Oh, and unlike in American football there are no paddings or armor. No one, literally no one in the World besides Americans consider soccer a girl’s sport. Some of the best quotes from Carey:

    “We have been lied to about how great is the Super Bowl. The World Cup is three Super Bowls a day for a whole month.”

    “If you just watch your kids play soccer, high school or whatever, you haven’t really seen soccer. You can’t believe how violent and rough-and-tumble professional soccer is. These guys really go at each other. 90% of the time you watch these guys on the ground holding their knees, it’s because they are really holding their knees. They cosntantly get elbows to the face, teeth knocked out, etc…”

  97. @Anon7

    I linked to Michael Solokove’s book “Women Warriors” on the injury plague in women’s sports.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @Anon7
  98. Twinkie says:
    @Triumph104

    Since 1960, there have been 14 female 100 meter dash gold medalists. 10 out of the 14 have been those with African ancestry.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  99. Twinkie says:
    @res

    A good counterpoint, but the Olympic results have a significant social construct element

    Of course they do. Everything human beings do is imbued with social constructs, because we are very social beings. But contrary to the popular perception held by some, social constructs and genetic propensity are usually not opposing forces, but are, more often than not, mutually reinforcing.

    Most national Olympic committees realize very quickly into which sports to invest their limited development funds, namely, those in which their peoples are successful. In other words, the above mentioned social construct is utilized to maximize the genetic (natural) talents of their peoples. Koreans aren’t going to invest money into 100 meter dashes or basketball when their women clearly excel in things like golf, shooting, archery, etc. (that are, perhaps not-coincidentally, highly visuospatial).

    My point in all this is to point out that Mr. Sailer has a bit of a blind spot where East Asians are concerned. He has a tendency to attribute black or white success to natural talent while ascribing East Asian success to “grinding” (along with another odd and persistent tendency of describing the Yamnaya as milk-drinking blonde Nordic “Aryans” contrary all the known information). In other words, he has his pet memes and don’t deviate from them.

    Anyone who played sports at a high level know what nonsense that is. At a high level, EVERYONE “grinds” – practices, practices, practices, and practices… and practices some more. But some competitors simply have the God-given talents that others lack. Sure, some extraordinary individuals might be able to overcome those disadvantages here and there, but in terms of large numbers, those natural talent differences (which are most probably genetic) eventually emerge into recognizable patterns.

    That, I would imagine, is the point of studying the so-called HBD.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Reg Cæsar
  100. jim jones says:
    @Twinkie

    Even K Pop stars are good at archery:

  101. Tomsiv says:

    They really should narrow the goal posts, shorten the field and make the ball lighter for the women, at least then they wouldn’t look like children running around the field.

  102. @Nick Diaz

    I think you directed this at the wrong person.

  103. @Galactic Overlord

    You left out an important feature of the libero. As the name implies, she can freely substitute for her replacement without it counting toward the limit. She also doesn’t have to report in to the officials.

    • Replies: @Galactic Overlord
  104. @Twinkie

    You’re not refuting Triumph’s point. The 72-80 stretch produced gold medalists from East Germany, West Germany, and the Soviet Union. Then in 04 she was from Belarus.

  105. @Counterinsurgency

    was heavily discouraged among children and adolescents

    Through the use of Corn Flakes.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  106. @Reg Cæsar

    I think Tip and Tap (West Germany 1974) are safe

  107. @ScarletNumber

    Through the use of Corn Flakes.

    Yep. Good ole’ Dr. Kellogg. And now they put a cartoon rooster on the box. Times sure have changed.

    Counterinsurgency

  108. Brutusale says:
    @Fozziet

    I’ll probably never watch another woman’s soccer match, but I’d pay real money to carry her bag for 18 holes.

  109. Brutusale says:
    @Fozziet

    I’ll probably never watch another woman’s soccer match, but I’d pay real money to carry her bag for 18 holes.

  110. Brutusale says:
    @Fozziet

    I’ll probably never watch another woman’s soccer match, but I’d pay real money to carry her bag for 18 holes.

  111. Brutusale says:

    Sorry for the triple post. Some WordPress blather had me bamboozled as to what was going on!

    Feel free to delete, Steve.

  112. @Paul

    “The 1972 Title IX legislation mandated equal treatment of male and female college athletes, even though guys are clearly more sports-crazed.”

    That is what makes Title IX so absurd. It is like demanding there be just as many female engineering students at a school as there are males or as many heterosexual, male, dance students as there are heterosexual females.

    Read the statute. It didn’t demand anything unreasonable, or anything at all. The courts and the bureaucrats did it all in clear contravention of the statute’s actual terms:

    No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.

  113. @prime noticer

    This whole thread, and all threads like it, but especially comments like this one, truly reflect just how overwrought this whole sports situation is. Something so unimportant should not merit this level of attention.

    Sports at all levels, from the peewee leagues up to the professionals, has now become such a waste of time and money that I do not know how any decent person could not be ashamed of it.

  114. @Anonymous

    In reality, professional men’s soccer is incredibly violent, one of the most savage sports.

    Soccer is not even in the same realm of physical violence as American football or rugby, much less boxing or MMA. Not even close.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Cowboy Shaw
  115. @Anonymous

    Dear scolding inferiority-complex laden foreigner: Shhhh. The flopping disqualifies it as a manly pursuit all by itself.

    Hysterically rolling around pretending to be a fainting woman is…womanly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @mmack
    , @Reg Cæsar
  116. @Steve Sailer

    It’s the men too. All sports and shows these days require not just great athleticism, but super-human, breath-taking exploits that put the performers in danger. The bar has gotten so high that we’re just bored with anything less than cirque du soleil.

    My husband, with his 20 year Broadway career, had his share of injuries. But talking to the dancers now, it’s just crazy what they’re expected to do. They’re in and out of rehab, getting surgeries to their knees and ankles, doing physical therapy whenever they’re not on stage. Don’t even mention the drugs and meds.

    America needs to tone it down and get off the adrenaline. That stupid climber who went up the face of Yosemite with no ropes needs to shut up and stop getting people killed as they try to out-do him. Climbing Everest isn’t important! And yet here these people go, dying as they try to reach a peak that airplanes have the good sense to fly around.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2397250/everest-death-toll-rises-10

  117. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    This is funny, since in American football(shouldn’t it be called handball?), the players will pat each other in the ass after making a good play. Now THAT is unmanly.

  118. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are very, very ignorant. Soccer has as much serious injury as American football, and when it comes to injuries of the knees, ligaments and spine, it is worse.

    Cimparing American football to boxing or MMA is asinine because combat sports are at a whole other level when it comes to severe injuries. Every year, a couple dozen boxers *die* inside the ring. The same for MMA outside America where the regulations are looser. How many NFL players have died inside the gridiron? Neither the real football or the American version are comparable to boxing and MMA, so your point is moot.

    You are very, very ignorant.

    • Replies: @mmack
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
  119. mmack says:
    @William Badwhite

    William,

    These lil guys have soccer covered in 11 seconds:

  120. @The Anti-Gnostic

    A professional football player would last about 10 seconds on a professional rugby field. Everyone in the UK knows this. I don’t know what he is smoking.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  121. Cortes says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s a healthy move away from the histrionic simulation culture which infected football for about 25 years and referees in the past couple of years turn a blind eye to contact which would’ve been sanctioned during the ‘dying swan” period. I’ve always been a bit of an aficionado of the “dark arts” (like most fans, I believe) and a good “dull one” executed on an opponent in an accidentally-on-purpose manner is a thing of beauty. See the two fouls committed by Sergio Ramos of Real Madrid vs Liverpool in the UEFA Champions League Final of 2019 which (1) despatched Liverpool striker Salah with a shoulder injury and (2) concussed the Liverpool goalkeeper.

    And players do wear protective shin pads and other gear.

    Football at its best is continuous action and extremely demanding. I recall a comment by the US author Michener in an essay about his time in Europe pointing out the contrast between what he saw in football and most US sports.

  122. Dr. Doom says:

    It just seems so unfair that these women in ladies soccer are discriminated against by people who would rather watch football, basketball and pro wrestling, all patriarchal male dominated sports entertainment.
    You know what the problem really comes down to? Capitalism. Yep, its th leftist boogeyman.

    Only the profit motivation and net worth standards of Capitalism requires the fan base and gross receipts to be commensurate to athlete’s pay irregardless of sports performance. The World Badminton Championship is guarded by amateur Olympics and State support, but professional leagues are still using outdated Capitalist standards based on profits and commercialization.

    What’s the solution? Fortunately there isn’t one for these womyn.

  123. @ScarletNumber

    I knew about that point. However, I was thinking more along the lines of how the position isn’t as height-intensive as others in the sport. Then again, I did throw in a few things that weren’t really relevant in that context.

  124. mmack says:
    @Anonymous

    Anon,

    Soccer dangerous? Robert Wickens

    And Alex Zanardi

    Would like to wheel their wheelchairs over to talk to you.

    Unfortunately Dan Wheldon, Greg Moore, and Justin Wilson are unavailable to comment at unz.com

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  125. @Anonymous

    Marathon running and golf generate many injuries of the knees, ligaments and spine. That’s not a metric for physicality. Nobody who’s played football or rugby is physically intimidated by a soccer game.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  126. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Much of this phenomenon – especially the bit about misplaced loss and disappointment – has been succinctly explained by Smith’s masterpiece.

  127. @Anon

    However would “US” – by which I presume you mean “the U.SA.” (if you’re going to slouch about the periods and a letter, at least buy a definite article from Pat Sajak, would you?) – going to dictate to the FIFA the time and place if its tournaments?

    You guys thought Bolton was nuts? Willie maybe wants us to scramble the super hornets over a game of sportsball!

  128. @The Anti-Gnostic

    If you reckon golf and marathons do not involve physicality, I regret that I must once again trot out this chestnut:

    I suspect you mean “physical violence” or “contact with other athletes” or even just “contact” (though even with that last term you’re not making sense regarding marathons, which are contact after contact after contact…).

    The kooks at Oxford University (say, don’t they have some claim to authoritative lexicography?) have this zany thought for us:

    physicality mass noun

    1. The fact of relating to the body as opposed to the mind; physical presence.

    There’s an emphasis on the physicality of the actors.

    1.1 Involvement of a lot of bodily contact or activity.

    The intense physicality of a dancer’s life….

    The sheer physicality of the game means fouls occur at regular intervals.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  129. @Anonymous

    Basketball is particularly ridiculous because, just as the entire season is superfluous since it’s longer than damn near any other sports, yet all those games are just to determine what two teams don’t make the (equally interminable) playoffs, any given game could really be done away with but for, say, the last ten minutes with no significant differences in who wins or by how many points.

    That it has become the darling sport of Negroes fits all this shallow and pointless posturing and waste.

  130. @Autochthon

    Thanks! Now google “pedantic.”

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  131. @William Badwhite

    Hysterically rolling around pretending to be a fainting woman is…womanly.

    So is returning to the game once pulled out– true not just in that Canadian invention, “American” football, but in basketball and hockey as well. And of the pitcher/DH dyad in baseball.

    So is dividing a league into separate races, so even teams with losing records get to participate in fake “playoffs” in the postseason.

    So is being rewarded for last place with a high draft pick, rather than being kicked out of the league and replaced by someone more deserving.

    So is begging the taxpayers to replace a thirty-year-old stadium they’re still paying for with a more fashionable one, instead of making do with a privately-funded 20th- or even 19th-century park.

    Our sports are just as corrupt, if not more, than soccer. North Americans live in a glass house.

    Also, the fainting spells are a Latin American phenomenon. They were looked down upon in the British Isles, which always preferred slogging through mud to set and artifice.


    1. Burnley’s Turf Moor began hosting football in 1883 – The oldest football ground in the top flight belongs to Burnley, who first played football there in 1883. The Clarets had originally been founded to play rugby union, but switched to association football and a year into their existence moved to Turf Moor, which was the home of Burnley Cricket Club. Incredibly, cricket had first been played at Turf Moor in 1833, meaning it has hosted sport of some kind for nearly 200 years!

    Premier League club stadiums: From newest to the oldest – can you guess which ones are over 100 years old?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  132. @mmack

    Now we’re talkin’ serious goddam injuries, folks. –George Carlin (8:05)

  133. @Reg Cæsar

    That should read “art and artifice”. Somebody smack Jeff Besos for me. That was his “correction”.

  134. @Triumph104

    As for the pharmaceutical construct, Thailand voluntarily banned itself from weightlifting (both men and women) in the 2019 World Championships and the 2020 Olympics due to doping. The World Championships will be held in Thailand this year with no Thai competitors.

    That’s what the London Games should have done with the pistol competition in 2012. Or at least have their team compete remotely from Belfast, Saint Helier, or Oslo.

    There was no boxing at the 1912 Olympics because it was still illegal in the host nation.

  135. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m not sure how the game of soccer would, or could, be adjusted to fit this model, but team sports such as basketball and volleyball certainly could be.

    George Carlin called volleyball “racquetless team ping pong with played with an inflated ball and a raised net, while standing on the table”.

    With that in mind, the possibilities of parody for the social calendar are endless.I

    Bikinis are optional.

  136. @The Anti-Gnostic

    No need, as I only write and speak words I already know the meanings of – including that one.

    (It’s a practice I recommend.)

  137. @Twinkie

    Anyone who played sports at a high level know what nonsense that is. At a high level, EVERYONE “grinds” – practices, practices, practices, and practices… and practices some more.

    Jerry Rice was forced to do his particularly brutal personal training regimen in a secret location lest non-athletes copy him and seriously injure themselves.

    Koreans aren’t going to invest money into 100 meter dashes or basketball when their women clearly excel in things like golf, shooting, archery, etc.

    On the other hand, basketball is quite popular in the Philippines and Puerto Rico, even though their stature precludes any chance at international success. It’s seen as a worthwhile activity regardless, for other reasons.

  138. Hunsdon says:
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Rugby is the finest of the English ball games.

  139. @Barnard

    Jimmy Connors before her. Seles’s was bizarre, though, didn’t seem natural.

  140. Cybele says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    How about we take the 14 “weight” categories of male boxing and just throw them in a ring by lottery – we could call it the U.S Slaughterfest?

    The original eight boxing weight divisions or “glamour divisions”
    Divisions Weights Years establishment
    Heavyweight 200+ lbs 160+ lbs in 1738 by Broughton’s Rules; 175+ lbs in 1920 by Walker Law; 190+ lbs in 1979 and finally 200+ lbs
    Light heavyweight 168–175 lbs 175 lbs in 1909 by National Sporting Club of London (NSC)
    Middleweight 154–160 lbs Fights dating back to 1840s; Stablished officially at 160 lbs in 1909 by NSC
    Welterweight 140–147 lbs 145 lbs in 1889; Stablished officially at 147 lbs in 1909 by NSC
    Lightweight 130–135 lbs 160 lbs in 1738 by Broughton’s Rules; 140 lbs in 1889; Stablished officially at 135 lbs in 1909 by NSC
    Featherweight 122–126 lbs 118 lbs in 1860 by London Prize Ring Rules; 110 and 115 lbs in 1889; Official at 126 lbs in 1909 by NSC
    Bantamweight 115–118 lbs 105 lbs in 1860 by London Prize Ring Rules; 116 lbs in 1898; 118 lbs in 1909 by NSC; Official at 118 lbs in 1920 by Walker Law
    Flyweight 108–112 lbs 112 lbs in 1909 by NSC and standardized in 1920 by Walker Law
    The newcomer weight divisions or “tweener divisions”
    Divisions Weights Years establishment
    Cruiserweight 175–200 lbs 190 lbs in 1979; changed to 200 lbs in 2003
    Super middleweight 160–168 lbs Established and recognized in 1967 – 1988
    Light middleweight 147–154 lbs Established in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1962
    Light welterweight 135–140 lbs Established officially at 140 lbs in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1959
    Super featherweight 126–130 lbs Established at 130 lbs in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1959
    Super bantamweight 118–122 lbs Established at 122 lbs in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1976
    Super flyweight 112–115 lbs Established at 115 lbs in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1980
    Light flyweight 105–108 lbs Established at 108 in 1920 by Walker Law; recognized in 1975
    Strawweight 105 lbs Recognition in 1987

  141. Anon7 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Where is the link? There is no such author and no such book on Amazon.

  142. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of Steve’s point’s are being made by this z Ukrainian woman here in the Federalist:

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/15/american-womens-sports-need-get-feminine/

    Great minds think alike? Uncredited inspiration? But she makes some original points that you’d need tho be a woman tho think of.

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