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Ross Douthat writes in his NYT column:

Why We Miss the WASPs

Their more meritocratic, diverse and secular successors rule us neither as wisely nor as well.

Ross Douthat, Dec. 5, 2018

Put simply, Americans miss Bush because we miss the WASPs — because we feel, at some level, that their more meritocratic and diverse and secular successors rule us neither as wisely nor as well.

Foer suggests this nostalgia is mostly bunk, since the WASPs were so often bigots (he quotes Henry Adams’s fears of a “furtive Yacoob or Ysaac still reeking of the ghetto”), since their cultivation of noblesse oblige was really all about “preserving [a] place at the high table of American life,” and since so many of their virtues were superficial, a matter of dressing nicely while practicing imperialism, or writing lovely thank-you notes while they outsourced the dirty work of politics to race-baiting operatives. …

However, one of the lessons of the age of meritocracy is that building a more democratic and inclusive ruling class is harder than it looks, and even perhaps a contradiction in terms. You can get rid of the social registers and let women into your secret societies and privilege SATs over recommendations from the rector of Justin and the headmaster of Saint Grottlesex … and you still end up with something that is clearly a self-replicating upper class, a powerful elite, filling your schools and running your public institutions.

Not only that, but you even end up with an elite that literally uses the same strategy of exclusion that WASPs once used against Jews to preserve its particular definition of diversity from high-achieving Asians — with the only difference being that our elite is more determined to deceive itself about how and why it’s discriminating.

Those virtues included a spirit of noblesse oblige and personal austerity and piety that went beyond the thank-you notes and boat shoes and prep school chapel going — a spirit that trained the most privileged children for service, not just success, that sent men like Bush into combat alongside the sons of farmers and mechanics in the same way that it sent missionaries and diplomats abroad in the service of their churches and their country.

The WASP virtues also included a cosmopolitanism that was often more authentic than our own performative variety — a cosmopolitanism that coexisted with white man’s burden racism but also sometimes transcended it, because for every Brahmin bigot there was an Arabist or China hand or Hispanophile who understood the non-American world better than some of today’s shallow multiculturalists. …

If we would learn from their lost successes in our own era of misrule, reconsidering this idea — that a ruling class should acknowledge itself for what it really is, and act accordingly — might be a fruitful place to start.

Lots of people are very mad about this column.

 
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  1. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is one such enraged interloper:

    Jeff Yang is the author of “I Am Jackie Chan: My Life in Action” and editor of the graphic novel anthologies “Secret Identities” and “Shattered.” He writes frequently for CNN Opinion.

    Why would whites have white privilege when they’re only among whites? Why would non-whites be marginalized in their own spaces?

  2. Sean says:

    Put simply, Americans miss Bush because we miss the WASPs — because we feel, at some level, that their more meritocratic and diverse and secular successors rule us neither as wisely nor as well.

    You can have meritocratic, or you can have diverse. Not both.

  3. I have the impression Ross Douthat is the only columnist left at the Times worth reading.

  4. I know Douthat is not popular with the Unz crowd, but this column took courage. Hats off to him.

  5. Ross always tries to frame his columns in very conciliatory, moderate, tentative terms…and nonetheless still gets slammed by liberal journalists. “Hey guys, I know the Nazis were bad, but maybe there are legitimate complaints that one could raise about endless immi—” “Wow, what a surprise, literal white supremacist Ross Douthat is at it again, can you believe that the New York Times employs this hateful bigot?”

    It would not surprise me if, 4 years from now, he just says “screw it” and begins unapologetically calling for a Falangist revolution and the revival of the Inquisition.

  6. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Whoops, wrong tweet:

  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Sean

    Not really Douthat’s point though, as he explicated in a previous column on Jon Corzine, who, on paper, was a pure meritocrat, but ended up being un-good.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/opinion/sunday/douthat-our-reckless-meritocracy.html

    • Replies: @Sean
  8. … and you still end up with something that is clearly a self-replicating upper class, a powerful elite, filling your schools and running your public institutions.

    Brooks misspelled “fouling” and “ruining”.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Sarah Toga
  9. @Sean

    You can have meritocratic, or you can have diverse. Not both.

    Meritocracy is more diverse cognitively, but less so demographically.

    Now everyone looks different, but thinks the same.

  10. @Anonymous

    They just want nonwhite people to live and exist separately, in marginalized and diminished circumstances…

    You mean China?

    …while keeping the privileges of whiteness for themselves.

    You mean America?

  11. @Anonymous

    Here is one such enraged interloper:

    No, it’s spelled D-E-R-A-N-G-E-D.

  12. Frank G says:
    @Colin Wright

    Because Douthat just cribs his ideas from Steve Sailer, et al. Don’t make the mistake of thinking he’s on the right side, though.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Marty T
    , @Hypnotoad666
  13. Thomas says:

    It wasn’t enough to supplant the WASPistocracy. The new elites had to convince themselves the ones they replaced deserved to be supplanted, every last Brett and Haven among them, because they were evil.

  14. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    I know Douthat is not popular with the Unz crowd, but this column took courage. Hats off to him.

    What is true if anything in his column?

    • Replies: @Hail
  15. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    WASPs were so often bigots (he quotes Henry Adams’s fears of a “furtive Yacoob or Ysaac still reeking of the ghetto”), since their cultivation of noblesse oblige was really all about “preserving [a] place at the high table of American life,” and since so many of their virtues were superficial, a matter of dressing nicely while practicing imperialism, or writing lovely thank-you notes while they outsourced the dirty work of politics to race-baiting operatives. …

    Unlike Jews who are not about hogging the High Table. Unlike Jews whose virtues are not superficial but substantial… like putting on massive ‘gay pride’ parades. Unlike Jews who do not practice imperialism. (Just ask the Palestinians and Muslims in Middle East.) Unlike Jews who don’t race-bait and use Diversity to divide-and-rule.

    Foer and his ilk must ask… if Wasps suck so bad, why did Jews try so hard to come to Wasp-made nations and take over Wasp-made institutions? Could Jews have gained the world without standing on the shoulders of Wasps?

    Such total lack of self-awareness and gratitude.

    Btw, the new elite WAS more meritocratic. Not anymore with all these holistic BS. Also, there can’t be real meritocracy when Jewish elites, blacks, and homos are immune to criticism as they are holy people shielded by taboos around ‘antisemitism’, ‘racism’, and ‘homophobia’.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @PhysicistDave
  16. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    I knew the lies would begin in the first sentence of the article.

    Right out of the gate Douthat claims the new elite is more meritocratic. That is a whopper.

  17. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    One big difference is wasps never denied they got the power and privilege. Because they obviously had it, they felt they had to justify it by some degree of conscience.

    But because Jews deny they got the power and howl about ‘antisemitism’ at every turn, they grow more paranoid and corrupt by the hour. But then, deep down inside, they probably fear being like Wasps because Wasps lost the power.

    So, subconsciously, the real reason why Jews fear the Wasp Way is because it is a path to ruin. People like Foer make noises about how Wasps were bad because they were oh-so-bad, but some part of their psyche must sense that Wasps declined and lost power because they weren’t bad-enough. So, even though Jews say, “We don’t want to be like Wasps because they were too powerful”, they really feel, “We don’t want to be like Wasps because they lost the power and fast too.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Old Palo Altan
  18. Hail says: • Website

    What is Ross Douthat’s personal ethnocultural origin?

    I presume that Douthat himself may have substantial WASP (broadly defined) ancestry; even if his WASP ancestry is minimal or none, he appears to be of pretty close kindred stock.

    And there, friends, is the answer to why “a lot of people are very mad” about the column. The column has the air of a White man possibly taking his own side. Had a Chinese written the same column (hard to imagine, somehow), it would be waved away as harmless.

  19. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Magic Dirt is a resource that’s running out quickly. And whitey wants to hog it all.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  20. eric says:

    While #41 was a WASP of the old school and very talented, he raised a bunch of dim, gutless, neocons. While Pres he had no strong vision and so lost his base while–surprise–not bringing over Democrats. The mainline WASPs were not just muscled out, they lost confidence that they did have objectively superior virtues.

    • Replies: @Hail
  21. istevefan says:

    a cosmopolitanism that coexisted with white man’s burden racism but also sometimes transcended it, because for every Brahmin bigot there was an Arabist or China hand or Hispanophile who understood the non-American world better than some of today’s shallow multiculturalists. …

    First, I don’t like how most who write or speak favorably about the past must forever qualify their remarks by reminding everyone how flawed and racist the past was. I’m sorry no time is perfect. There are always winners and losers. For most White Americans, the past was probably better than the current. Maybe for nonwhites it was not better. But if you are going to qualify the past since it was bad for nonwhites, then you must qualify the present as being worse for whites.

    Second, his mention of the ‘white mans’s burden racism’ is interesting. Because in a way that never left us. It might have changed the way it manifests itself, but make no mistake, today’s elite have their own version of it. You might call it the white savior complex, but they do have their own variation of the white man’s burden.

    • Agree: Prodigal son, densa
  22. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I don’t think it’s about what is true or not true specifically; people tend not to remember details, anyway, right? They remember emotions.

    It is about the emotion. Douthat seems to portray the White Protestant elite of old sympathetically; that is how the column may be remembered. Hence the (((outrage))).

  23. Hail says: • Website
    @eric

    WASPs were…muscled out

    Did the Greeks muscle their way into Troy?

  24. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous

    I guess Mr. Yang doesn’t understand the following:

    1) Jews have been considered White from at least 1790 on as they were allowed to naturalize under the First Naturalization Act of 1790.

    2) He must not have heard of Judah Benjamin, David Yulee or Jacob Schiff among a few prominent mentions.

    3) He must have not heard of the of the enslavement of a million Europeans in the Barbary slave trade. It’s outlined in this text.

    4) He must have not heard about the Crimean slave trade either.

    But Twitter gave him a blue check. So he must be correct.

  25. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Ross always tries to frame his columns in very conciliatory, moderate, tentative terms…and nonetheless still gets slammed by liberal journalists.

    Not just by liberals.

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
  26. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Rusty Doubthat is hinting at a forbidden macro truth and The Truth Hurts!

    The new heavily Jewish elite is failing the country.

    Big surprise. When has any heavily Jewish elite in a gentile host country NOT triggered a decline in the fortunes of the people at large?

    Our elite is now culturally 99% Judaic. That’s the real issue.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  27. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hail

    WASP whose family converted to Catholicism, seems to be the case, per Wiki.

  28. Hail says: • Website
    @istevefan

    Give Yang some credit; He knows a lot of things. He knows which side his bread is buttered on.

    Yang knows: Always reflexively defend Jews; always portray them as noble victims of White oppression. It’s who we are. Yang knows.

  29. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I knew the lies would begin in the first sentence of the article.

    Right out of the gate Douthat claims the new elite is more meritocratic. That is a whopper.

    Yep. And people are praising Douthat for his supposed courage in truth telling.

  30. Sean says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    His point was that clever people over estimate, but Jon Corzine got the risk analyst objecting that Corazine’s balls to the wall bets on Euro sovereign bonds were to risky (Michael Roseman) sacked.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hershshefrin/2017/01/07/what-the-sad-saga-of-mf-global-teaches-us-to-do-differently/#4a2c2d544fa9

    There is an important backstory that occurred before MF Global used customers’ money, went bankrupt, and initiated a long process to recover what customers had lost. We can pick up the backstory in 2008 after the firm incurred losses stemming from an unfavorable incident that involved an authorized trading incident. The board hired Corzine in 2010. However, two years earlier, in 2008, it had hired its chief risk officer Michael Roseman. Roseman pointed out that Corzine’s bets violated the firm’s risk limits. Corzine wanted the risk limits increased to accommodate a bigger risk appetite. Roseman made it clear to the board that he judged an expansion of the firm’s risk limits to be imprudent. The town was not big enough to accommodate both Corzine and Roseman. There was a metaphorical shoot out. The board sided with Corzine, who then summarily fired Roseman.

    Douthat makes a similar mistake about Vietnam. Robert McNamara was not told the balance of opinion among top military professional about Vietnam, because uber WASP Maxwell Taylor did not allow the military to tell McNamara that steady increase in pressure would not work

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_D._Taylor#The_Vietnam_War
    Taylor received fierce criticism in Major (later Lieutenant General and National Security Advisor) H.R. McMaster’s book Dereliction of Duty. Whereas the Chiefs felt that it was their duty to offer unbiased assessments and recommendations on military matters, Gen. Taylor was of the firm belief that the chairman should not only support the president’s decisions but also be a true believer in them. This discrepancy manifested itself during the early planning phases of the war, while it was still being decided what the nature of American involvement should be. McNamara and the civilians of the office of the secretary of defense were firmly behind the idea of graduated pressure—that is, to escalate pressure slowly against North Vietnam in order to demonstrate U.S. resolve. The Joint Chiefs, however, strenuously disagreed with this and believed that if the US got involved further in Vietnam, it should be with the clear intention of winning and through the use of overwhelming force. McMaster contends that using a variety of political maneuvering, including liberal use of outright deception, Gen. Taylor succeeded in keeping the Joint Chiefs’ opinions away from the President and helped set the stage for McNamara to begin to dominate systematically the U.S. decision making process on Vietnam.

    Walt Rostow, sidelined for advising Kennedy that invading north Vietnam was necessary to win the war, was the only person with access who was truthful to Kennedy. His access was promptly ended. American wanted to win without doing anything that might provoke China into Korea style intervention in Vietnam, such as calling out the reserves as the army’s premier tactician General Harold Johnson (Chief of Staff of the United States Army from 1964 to 1968) said would have been necessary to win; a non-starter because of the priority given to threat that China would come in as they had in the Korean war.

    In business and war you can try to win big, or avoid anything dangerous. Not both.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  31. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    One big difference is wasps never denied they got the power and privilege.

    Could you please refrain from using the term “WASP”? It is a Jewish-promoted ethnic slur.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Buffalo Joe
    , @Reg Cæsar
  32. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    I presume that Douthat himself may have substantial WASP (broadly defined) ancestry; even if his WASP ancestry is minimal or none, he appears to be of pretty close kindred stock.

    He doesn’t look at all Anglo-Saxon.

    • Replies: @Hail
  33. @Stolen Valor Detective

    Why wait 4 years? I would be pretty sick of it already, he waters down the arguments to an unreal degree and still gets angry, crazy attacks. Whatever his price is, clearly the NYT is paying it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. Bruno says:

    What’s amazing in this column is that he doesn’t name the Jews as the new ruling class that doesn’t accept Noblesse oblige. They don’t even accept being identified as a ruling class in fact. So it’s like a proof by example : denouncing X without naming X.

    • Replies: @Anon
  35. That WASP deliberately ushered in an era of hyper-globalization. I don’t know Douthat well though I suspect he’s attempting to propagandize white nationalists to accept the one world order because elite white people like it (because they don’t give a damn about anyone who isn’t rich and high status). If I had any doubts that Sailer is dead, they’re completely dispelled now. How is George Bush not a Neocon albeit one who’s slightly less of a warmonger than average? RIP Sailer.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  36. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    1) Jews have been considered White from at least 1790 on as they were allowed to naturalize under the First Naturalization Act of 1790.

    2) He must not have heard of Judah Benjamin, David Yulee or Jacob Schiff among a few prominent mentions.

    Or Aaron Lopez.

    3) He must have not heard of the of the enslavement of a million Europeans in the Barbary slave trade. It’s outlined in this text.

    4) He must have not heard about the Crimean slave trade either.

    Or the Radhanites.

  37. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

  38. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
  39. BB753 says:

    Americans don’t miss Wasps as such, let alone Bush I, they just hate Neocon and globalist rule. For the Bushes, politics was about making money, screwing the average American and turning America into Mexico. Noblesse oblige, my arse!

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Anon
  40. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    FOX News receives the mental tag as partisan

    The New York Times, despite having an explicitly anti-white editor, is still coded as “objective”.

    Keeping Brooks, Stephens and Douthat around is tokenism, and unlike GOP tokenism it works.

    Sort of like how minstrel shows and blackface are bad, but Stephen Colbert is ok.

  41. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    Is ‘Jeff’ his real name, by the way?

  42. Pheasant says:
    @Anonymous

    Ha Ha Ha!

    The priveliges of Whiteness!

    DON’T LEAVE ME MR WHITEMAN!

  43. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    He doesn’t look at all Anglo-Saxon

    If he is a multi-generational American, born 1979, with family origins in Connecticut, odds seem fair to good that he has some recent Ellis Island ancestry, possibly something from Central/Eastern Europe, in addition to his predominant-seeming ‘Yankee’ Protestant ancestry.

    Here is Ross Douthat on his own family ethnoreligious origin:

    [Ross Douthat, speaking to Hugh Hewitt, 2012:] The brief Ross Douthat story is that I was baptized and initially raised Episcopalian in southern Connecticut. That’s where I grew up. But at a certain point, probably when I was about seven or eight years old, my parents started attending charismatic healing services [....] But then ultimately, we ended up converting sort of as a family to Catholicism when I was about sixteen or seventeen years old

    The Internet claims the Douthat name comes from a village in northern England called Douthwait. His parents’ names: Charles Douthat (pic readily DuckDuckGo-able) and Patricia Snow (no pic readily available). His mother’s grandfather was a professor (Wesleyan Univ.) and one-time Governor of Connecticut called Charles Wilbert Snow.

    Douthat exists in an obviously hostile system; but perhaps he feels the ancestral call, after all.

  44. In Will and Ariel Durant’s “The Story of Civilization” it is pointed out that every time an old elite ruling class is removed, within two generations a new ruling class has taken its place. That is what is happening here. It is the inevitable outcome of our immigration non-policy (which, from an immigrant group’s perspective, boils down to “Get there Firstest with the Mostest!” to increase their demographic power.)

    How anyone who has ever read a newspaper or stuck their nose in a history book can’t see this is utterly beyond me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  45. Tyrion 2 says:

    Is there a single Western European country or Western European derived country where Douthat’s column does not apply?

  46. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bruno

    What’s amazing in this column is that he doesn’t name the Jews as the new ruling class that doesn’t accept Noblesse oblige.

    To be fair, Jews are heavily involved in philanthropy(though much of it goes to Jewish causes and Israel). There are Jewish hospitals open to all. I see more of them. Also, many Jewish professions do good for society. Jewish doctors save many lives. And even Jewish vice industries like gambling produce jobs. Jewish-run casinos pour money into Indian communities.

    Also, Jews could argue that they did much to fund the Civil Rights Movement. They also spearheaded Free Speech Rights in America. They expanded civil liberties. Jews could also argue that their Noblesse Oblige isn’t merely within the US but to the world. By welcoming immigrants, they are allowing millions of people to have better lives in America. The stereotype of the penny-pinching Jew is no more. None of the Jewish kids I knew growing up were stingy.

    But Jewish Noblesse Oblige on a global scale goes against sense and norms. Best way to maintain meaningful connection between elites and masses is on the national level: Turkish elites for Turkish people, Russian elites for Russian people, Japanese elites for Japanese people, Israeli elites for Israeli people, etc.

    In the US, we have an essentially hostile relationship between Jewish elites and white majority, though the hostility is mostly one-way, from Jews to whites(though things could change). And this makes one question the true agenda of Jewish Noblesse Oblige to the World. Are they really full of compassion for the ‘wretched and huddled around the world’ OR are they using increased Diversity as divide-and-rule tactic? Also, if Jews care so much about people around the world, why use the arm of finance to pull stuff like the Looting of Russia in the 90s? Why push for Wars for Israel that led to the refugee crisis? So, is it really Ignoblesse Oblige? Jewish power is getting schizo.

    At any rate, noblesse oblige is most doable on the national level. On the global level, it’s more difficult to control the variables, and it often leads to more problems than solutions. All that aid to Africa made problems worse. Also, other nations come to look to the US(and West) to fix their problems while lacking initiative.

    US used to be a head-and-body nation. Its head was the wasp/white elites, and its body was mostly white masses. White bodies made things and worked on farms. White/Wasp heads governed(more wisely than most other nations). For most of American history, there was no expectation of universal higher education. It was understood that some people would use their brains, others would use their bodies. So, both brains and bodies were valued. Same was true of Japan or Germany. It had elite classes that was educated in college, and it had masses of workers who used their hands. Both had their own kind of pride. Head and body.
    But with rising education and increasing mechanization, the head came to be valued far more than the body. Head gained in value while body lost in value. The body lost even more value with mass-immigration-invasion. The social attitude became that certain jobs were TOO LOWLY for the native folks, so let the poor and dirty immigrants do them. This became the attitude in low-birthrate Europe. Also, prior to WWII, most working class folks expected their kids to work with their hands also. But with rise of educational opportunities, even working class parents wanted their kids to be college educated and get clean jobs. This affected natal demographics. As the head came to be valued far more than the body, more and more people were unwilling to have kids unless the kids could be assured of good education and social climb. It was better to have no kid than have a kid who uses his hands. This mentality affects Germany and Japan(as well as other East Asian nations). People went from dogs to cats. Dogs are omnivores that eat meat and veggies. Cats are finicky and eat only meat. Even Japan, that long resisted mass-immigration, is now caving to it. Why? Japanese aren’t having kids, and one of the reasons is Japanese are finicky. They are all about the head and look down on the body. Japanese want to have fancy kids who do well in school and get clean jobs. They’d rather have no kid than have a kid who is working class. Same is true in Taiwan and S. Korea. Thus, low low birthrates. Also, high suicide rates as kids with college education but no fancy jobs would rather die than ‘shamefully’ work with their hands. Due to immigration and ‘dirty jungle Asians’ getting ‘lowly’ jobs, there is even more social shame for natives to get working class jobs. Thus, all prestige is with the head, none for the body. It isn’t much different all across Europe. And it’s telling that the white elites of the US are so filled with contempt for working class whites. This contempt is found among white elite libs and white elite cons. So, societies that were once about head and body are now all about the head. The white head no longer cares for the white body. And since the white head looks down on body-work as ‘lowly’, they figure Third World masses should be brought over to take those ‘dirty’ jobs. Or those jobs should be shipped to Third World nations where people work for a pittance. Who cares about the Dumb Body?

    Some nations are all body and no head, i.e. they have lots of people with hands but not enough people with brains. Third World nations are like headless bodies. Since they lack sufficient heads to create and run enterprises, there aren’t enough opportunities. So, Third World bodies want to go to nations with heads. The West has lots of heads. Lots of smart and talented people in US, Canada, Europe, and etc.

    Now, why don’t the white heads in the West value the white bodies? Why not keep out Third World bodies and lead-guide-hire white bodies? One reason is white heads, despite their official ‘anti-racism’, believe whites are too good for lowly jobs. So, they see any white body who still uses his hand as a ‘loser’. Since white heads have such low regard for white bodies, they find it offensive that white bodies should demand decent wages and benefits. I mean, how dare those brainless losers expect anything in life? In contrast, the Third World bodies will likely shut up and do as told and work for lower wages. They will be more likely to know their place.

    So, the US went from a nation of white heads and white bodies to a nation with white heads in search of brown bodies. As for white bodies, just shut up and die of opioids already or race-mix into more brown bodies.

    The Third World once had a hope of becoming head-and-body nations, but once the West opened the immigration door, there was too much brain-drain. It affected not only Third World nations but also nations like Greece. I think all smart Greeks came to the US. Current Greece seems pretty dumb.

    Now, Jews were always a people with a head and no body. A small nomadic minority with higher IQ, business skills, and acumen for negotiation. And the Jewish presence and rise to elite-dom exacerbated the problem of head and body in the US. Even without Jews, there would have been a crisis of head and body due to economic changes. Look at Japan and nations like S. Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore. They have no Jews, but they also have the head-dissing-body problem. There is almost universal college education in those nations, and the natives value the head and disregard the body. But a society can’t be all heads. But because they are so head-centric(and because women are also educated and seek only men with fancy jobs), their birthrates are plummeting. It is considered shameful to have a kid who becomes a working class person. That means those nations will produce too many heads and not enough bodies. And that means they will have to rely on mass immigration to bring over ‘jungle Asian’ bodies to do the work that Japanese regard as ‘dirty, dangerous, and demeaning’. All of this happened without Jews. Still, because the people in those nations still have common ethnic bonds, there is discussion of how the leaders must do more for the people. (This may change as the lower masses fill up with ‘jungle asians’.)

    Same change in attitude has happened among white Americans. The contempt that white elites now have for white working class is unbelievable. FDR would never have referred to working class whites as ‘deplorables’, even those in the Redneck South. But Hillary and her upper middle class urban elites are snotty white heads. They sneer about how they’re gonna replace the dumb white bodies with brown bodies. They justify this as ‘progress’ and ‘compassion’, but it’s to replace white workers with more compliant brown workers.

    Still, there are some white elites who do feel something must be done about the white folks. We hear it from Victor Hanson and Tucker Carlson. They are in the minority but they do exist.
    But Jews are different. Jewish head is very hostile to the white body. Try as they might, the Jewish head and white body reject one another. It’s like the medical phenom of Transplant Rejection.

    https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000815.htm

    The Jewish head can’t help seeing the white body as ‘pitchfolk nazi cossack mobs.’ And even though the white body is welcoming of Jews(and Israel) — majority of whites believe in stuff like “Israel is our greatest ally” and “Jews are a most special people” — , the fact remains that the stuff that white bodies like is often at loggerheads with what Jews like. So, Evangelicals may love Jews and Israel, but the candidate they voted for as a patriotic American, Donald Trump, is ‘literally Hitler’ to the Jews.

    With the transplant rejection between the Jewish head and the white body, where does the white head fit in? The white head is in a limbo state. It used to be The Head of America but has been displaced by the Jewish head. So, the white head is made to serve the Jewish head, but it’s not easy for a nation to maintain two heads. The most natural thing for the white head is to regain its race-ist sense and reconnect with the white body and form a power bloc once again. But the white head is controlled by the Jewish head and has been informed that it is EVIL for it to care for the white body. That would be ‘white nationalism’ or ‘white supremacism’ or ‘neo-nazism’ or KKK. How about white head connecting with the brown bodies? But there is transplant rejection there too. Despite white heads finding brown bodies to be economically useful, there are too many differences. The Bush family tried to unite with the little brown ones, but it never worked. Karl Rove dreamed of white conservative head fitting with new brown bodies, but brown bodies still stuck with Democrats. Also, such maneuver pissed off the white bodies that vote GOP. Nancy Pelosi talks of her grand nephew wanting to be a brownie, but the chances are the white lib elites will live apart from the brown bodies.

    In the case of Japan and such nations, the problem isn’t so much ideological divergence between elites and masses. Japanese elites don’t hate the Japanese people. The elite contempt in Japan is socio-economic, not ethnic. There is no shame in Japanese elites stating that they love Japan and the Japanese people. In contrast in the West, where ‘white guilt’ has become official dogma, the elite contempt for white people is both socio-economic and ethnic. So, Merkel sneers at the very idea of German elites caring for German masses. Macron snubs white Frenchmen and hugs Africans as the New French. UK elites are even worse. Justin Trudeau is beyond surreal in ‘white guilt’ posturing. And in the US, Steve King saying he cares about white folks, his own national kin, is OUTRAGEOUS and OMG!!

    Reuniting the white head with the white body will be a difficult but necessary task. Alt Right had a chance with this, but its leader Richard Spencer opted for egomania and nihilism than modest nationalism and humanism. But there may be new ways.

    Some bio-socialism would be nice too. It’d be good to have a law that says a family can have only one high income-earner. So, if two lawyers wanna marry, one has to give up his/her job. Generally, it should be the woman since she can be a mother and homemaker, something the guy can’t be if he gives up his job. Is it fair and just for a single family to hog two high incomes? Those high incomes can support TWO families. So, why should two high incomes go to a single family? That’s bio-capitalist-greed. Therefore, we need bio-socialism to prevent the excess accumulation of income into one family at the expense of others.
    If there are two jobs and two couples, does it make more sense for each couple to have one job or for a single couple to have both jobs while the other couple has no jobs?

  47. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Could you please refrain from using the term “WASP”? It is a Jewish-promoted ethnic slur.

    How about WAAP or ‘We Are All Palestinians’? Sounds about right in a democracy that is now more like a Semitocracy.

    • Replies: @Graham
  48. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Is there a single Western European country or Western European derived country where Douthat’s column does not apply?

    In what respects?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  49. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    How anyone who has ever read a newspaper or stuck their nose in a history book can’t see this is utterly beyond me.

    I don’t follow. What are people supposed to be seeing now, and what exactly should they have gleaned from newspapers and history books?

  50. Sean says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    It should be even more obvious inter nationally. Yet many people here seem to be looking forward to the fall of the American “Empire” as if it will not replaced by China’s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @inselaffen
  51. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds interesting:

  52. conatus says:

    Sounds like David Gerlernter from Commentary in 1997
    How the Intellectuals Took Over
    “The difference is this: the old elite used to get on fairly well with the country it was set over. Members of the old social upper-crust elite were richer and better educated than the public at large, but approached life on basically the same terms. The public went to church and so did they. The public went into the army and so did they. The public staged simpler weddings and the elite put on fancier ones, but they mostly all used the same dignified words and no one self-expressed. They agreed (this being America) that art was a waste, scientists were questionable, engineering and machines and progress and nature were good. Some of the old-time attitudes made sense, some did not; but the staff and their bosses basically concurred. (George Bush was elected in part, Brookhiser suggests, because of public interest in restoring these arrangements.)

    Relations between the elite and the nation are very different today. The enmity between Intellectual and Bourgeois is sheepman against cattleman, farm against city, Army versus Navy: a cliché but real. Ever since there was a middle class, intellectuals have despised it. When intellectuals were outsiders, their loves and hates never mattered much. Today they are the bosses and their tastes matter greatly.”

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  53. @kaganovitch

    kaganovitch wrote:

    I know Douthat is not popular with the Unz crowd, but this column took courage. Hats off to him.

    Really? Why? As far as I can tell, everyone loves Bush 41 now that he is dead. When he was alive and in power, not so much: e.g., they spent decades whining about the Willie Horton ad (even though it was true and the issue was initially raised by Dukakis’ fellow Dems).

    Bush 41 got the US into an unnecessary war to defend a Near Eastern Mafioso-style ruling clan, despite the fact that his own Administration told Saddam that we didn’t much care what he did.

    And Bush broke his one serious campaing promise: “Read my lips — No new taxes!”

    If this is the cream of the WASPs… well, I come from a long line of WASPs myself, but if this is the best we can do, we are done.

  54. Mr. Blank says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    God, I love Bronze Age Pervert. Bless him and his progeny.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  55. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Does even one of those countries have a coherent elite adhering to traditional virtues?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @snorlax
  56. Andy says:

    You miss the WASPs since these austere high Protestants literally build the country, turning America into the world’s largest superpower. On the other hand, the hedonistic, nihilistic, largely Jewish elite since 1968, is fast destroying America.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  57. @miss marple

    Miss Marple wrote:

    That WASP deliberately ushered in an era of hyper-globalization. I don’t know Douthat well though I suspect he’s attempting to propagandize white nationalists to accept the one world order because elite white people like it (because they don’t give a damn about anyone who isn’t rich and high status).

    Yeah, it’s the classic technique for ruling an empire: above all else, make sure the peons are divided and do not unite against the imperial elite.

    Divide and conquer.

    Racial and ethnic divisions within the US and other Western nations serve to advance the goals of the ruling elite: that’s why the elite encourages such divisions. But our “white nationalist” friends cannot see that they are simply playing into the hands of the elite.

    The enemy of true Americans is the (still predominantly white) ruling elite. They are the enemy of most white Americans, black Americans, Hispanic Americans, and all the rest.

    But to understand that requires a knowledge of history, which few Americans any longer possess, regardless of their ethnic background. (Thank you, “progressive education”!).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  58. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    What is so obvious?

  59. Joe Walker says: • Website

    One of the good things about the WASPs is that you can criticize them without getting condemned as an anti-WASPite.

  60. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Does even one of those countries have a coherent elite adhering to traditional virtues?

    If you wouldn’t mind, could you please define certain terms as used in their context: “coherent”, “traditional virtues”.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  61. Mr. Blank says:

    Personally, I really miss the old WASP noblesse oblige. America is a shittier place without it. I think the quintessence of the manly WASP tradition was that line in “The Good Shepherd,” after Joe Pesci rattles off all the stuff “diverse” Americans have, then asks Matt Damon’s WASP character what his people have.

    “We have the United States of America,” he says. “The rest of you are just visiting.”

    As someone whose ancestors on both sides were here before the American Revolution, I cheer that line. Would that our patrician class still produced such men.

  62. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Traditional virtues include loyalty, integrity, discipline, courage and selflessness.

    And “coherence” would mean that adherence to those virtues becomes a currency by which leaders are able to legitimate themselves among their peers.

  63. Arclight says:

    I think he is right that the WASPs were far less strident than today’s rulers, and he has a point about them actually having a tradition – inherited from the British – of significant numbers being trained from birth to actually serve the institutions they ruled, whether it be in the military, foreign service, etc.

    Obviously that is hugely offensive to today’s elites, who are substantially more self-centered and largely have never done anything so potentially dangerous or eye-opening as lived abroad and immersed themselves in another culture or served in the military. They believe they have a moral right to rule just by their very existence as non-WASPs. And for them, the past is always evil and something to be discarded, so obviously we mustn’t look back with anything approaching nostalgia.

  64. Trevor H. says:
    @Anon

    Wow, that’s quite a treatise. I’m mainly remarking on it because I want to be able to find it readily, when I have more time to read it closely. It’s very long as well as very thoughtful, and I find myself wondering: Did you really write it for just this occasion?

  65. @Anonymous

    Jeffy’s second tweet projects at 10 million candlepower the deepest fantasy of many
    “diverse” people towards whites (“to live and exist separately, in marginalized and diminished circumstances”). The fact that such an approach is suicidal is starting to matter less and less to them as the emotional need for “revenge” takes hold.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. @Mr. Blank

    Except that same sort of noblesse oblige elides right into typical TruCon “We must be NICE!” inaction and bowtie polishing.

  67. Apparently there was something wrong with these Northeastern “WASPs” given that they basically committed suicide on themselves and murder on the country as a whole.

  68. Anonymous[701] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Racial and ethnic divisions within the US and other Western nations serve to advance the goals of the ruling elite: that’s why the elite encourages such divisions. But our “white nationalist” friends cannot see that they are simply playing into the hands of the elite.

    So if White people bred themselves out of existence by fully integrating with brown/black people, then we could really get those conspiratorial elites?!

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  69. @Reg Cæsar

    Now everyone looks different, but thinks the same.

    It’s a good point. The old WASP ruling class included Gore Vidal, William Buckley, George Patton, Robert Taft, Eleanor Roosevelt, and even Pete Seeger.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    , @rufus
  70. Sean says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Meritocracy is more diverse cognitively, but less so demographically.

    By my way of thinking, meritocracy is when qualified experts are trusted and listened to by decision makers when the experts have a gut feeling that something the leadership are doing is a mistake. I suppose the justification for diversity is that a wider range of people will let a thousand flowers grow and prevent rigid thinking, but who do the leadership listen to or trust in that kind of set up? Usually the yes men.

    Kevin MacDonald says the WASP elite went down with their principles, but I wonder if it was more a case of them just not being willing to listen to people who had thought through the flesh and blood consequences and had a much more realistic view of what was likely to happen if ethereal propositions were held to be self evident. The WASPs had more of a class structure than the Jews and probably less respect for their own lower orders.

    Now everyone looks different, but thinks the same

    It should be remembered that a lot of the ideas of biology held by WASPs were Lamarkian, As late as 1939 scientists like leading professor of Anthropology Ernest Hooton in his article Why The Jew Grows Stronger were suggesting that Jews would become just like WASPs if they were allowed to live as such (blacks too). He apparently thought they would physically transform as well. The contempt was reserved for poverty prone Appalachians who had shown themselves as biologically degenerate by failing to converge with the WASPs despite living as free whites in the US for hundreds of years.

  71. Sean says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Southern Elite: Jefferson Davis and his wife

    In later life she was a fan of Booker T. Washington.

  72. @Tyrion 2

    Well, the UK still has a formal aristocracy, and Brexit is basically a last ditch attempt by the old ruling class to preserve themselves. It may work, but at the moment looks doomed. The financial pull of the other side is too strong.

    The ruling classes of Germany and France destroyed their own moral authority by entering into WWI, demonstrating to the masses that they were not competent to rule and did not deserve to rule.

    In Poland the old ruling class was decapitated by the Germans and Soviets during WWII and never recovered – the country has mostly been ruled by peasants ever since whether “Communist” or now “Catholic”. The traditional ruling class of Russia was not ethnically Russian for the most part, and was physically eliminated from 1918 through the Stalin era.

    The difference between Europe and America, is that the European ruling classes were either eliminated by enemies, or committed idiotic blunders that undermined their authority. It is clear why they are gone. The US ruling class just seems to have decided to retire at the peak of their success.

  73. Tiny Duck says:
    @Anonymous

    You need to watch Fung bros
    Most Asian men think white males suck

  74. @Anonymous

    Man did anyone try to read those comments at The Hill. We are seriously screwed if that is the typical “educated” and “informed” liberal. Wow.

  75. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    Indeed, “redpilled trader” is enraged. He is touting the outdated Alt Right trope of how “white people ended slavery and did not invent slavery”.

  76. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Well, the UK still has a formal aristocracy, and Brexit is basically a last ditch attempt by the old ruling class to preserve themselves.

    The aristocracy has not had any real clout for decades and decades. The first world war was their last hurrah but they were on their way out long before then. The monarchy survives but is purely totemic except for the influence derived from the personal qualities of the current Queen.

    The elements of the political right supporting Brexit are simply the patriotic minority among the elite. Were a vote restricted to the haute-bourgoisie under 50, Remain would be a runaway winner. I suspect Remain would win easily above that too, but my sample size is too small.

    Brexit was won at the dog tracks in Sunderland. The Royal Borough of Windsor, which includes the playing fields of Eton, voted Remain.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  77. @Sean

    Why shouldn’t we look forward to the fall of America just because someone else will be the big shot?
    The ‘American century’ has been the worst and maybe last disaster for western european ethnoculture & it’s offshoots (including the old-stock America). At least the Chinese might not give enough of a damn, which might mean euro-nationalists have more chance (they tend to be more favourable to Russia already).

  78. Philly had its own version of George HW Bush, complete with sock collection: Thatcher Longstreth. He ran for Mayor, but lost to Frank Rizzo, Philly’s version of Boss Tweed. Philly has deteriorated ever since.

  79. @Peter Akuleyev

    William Buckley was never a WASP, though he may have been part of that class.

  80. songbird says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t ask me why, but I read the Jackie Chan book.

    It was clearly ghostwritten, and in a way that makes the reader think “what a bad ghostwriter. What a fool Chan was to approve this part.” There was one scene where he misses his girlfriend so he mistakes her for someone’s blouse on a laundry line and climbs up a balcony to embrace it. Only a crazed person would write something so maudlin and nakedly unbelievable.

  81. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    More meritocratic successors? No

  82. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    This supposedly educated dolt obviously knows nothing about the Muslim slave trade,probably the biggest slave trade in human history.

  83. snorlax says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Switzerland, maybe. If microstates count then Liechtenstein.

  84. @Sean

    Right. Why the assumption that today is more meritocratic? Self congratulatory bull slinging. Inability to see and properly assess what they have really wrought. Lack of self awareness.

  85. rufus says:
    @Anonymous

    Meanwhile all over the world poc and yangs of the world are desperate to escape their own corrupt failed societies to gain entry to the white homelands at all cost. # mass immigration

  86. rufus says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Of course. Within the ethno state everything, without nothing.

    The US has assimilated every freakshow mongrel the earth has ever shat forth, but there are limits.

  87. rufus says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Working class movement largely. Far more so than MAGA.

  88. Marcus says:

    The Bush crime family are declasse, parvenu carpetbaggers, you can see it in Jeb and his choice of mate

  89. @istevefan

    It is , as Ben Rhodes said, “They literally know nothing”.

  90. Nathan says:

    “more meritocratic”

    They never miss a chance to flog this ridiculous meme. I mean, Ross Douthat must surely be an expert in meritocracy, having been a naval aviator, oil tycoon, and director of the CIA, right?

    • LOL: Paleo
  91. Hibernian says:
    @Colin Wright

    He won’t be for long, because he won’t be at the Times for long.

  92. @Anon

    In the US, we have an essentially hostile relationship between Jewish elites and white majority, though the hostility is mostly one-way, from Jews to whites(though things could change). And this makes one question the true agenda of Jewish Noblesse Oblige to the World. Are they really full of compassion for the ‘wretched and huddled around the world’ OR are they using increased Diversity as divide-and-rule tactic? Also, if Jews care so much about people around the world, why use the arm of finance to pull stuff like the Looting of Russia in the 90s? Why push for Wars for Israel that led to the refugee crisis? So, is it really Ignoblesse Oblige? Jewish power is getting schizo.

    I really do think that Jews refuse to accept that they’re no longer plucky underdogs denied their rightful due but rather a wealthy and powerful group who dominate whole institutions of American civic life. They don’t feel Noblesse Oblige because they don’t see themselves as nobles – they see themselves as competitors who just happen to have won a lot lately in spite of unfair impediments, and keeping a foot on the neck of any potential challengers seems both necessary and just.

    • Agree: Hail, Prester John
    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Old Palo Altan
  93. @Hail

    It’s likely that his Snow family has a Mayflower connection. Nicholas Snow married Constance Hopkins, a Mayflower passenger.

  94. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    Noblesse oblige, my arse!

    At least its Noblez Obligez.

    Wasps of old still beat the post-wasp me-huggers of today.

    • Agree: BB753
  95. Hibernian says:
    @Sean

    I think the potential domestic political consequences of calling up the Reserves played a part as well.

  96. @Mr. Blank

    “We have the United States of America,” he says. “The rest of you are just visiting.”

    As someone whose ancestors on both sides were here before the American Revolution, I cheer that line. Would that our patrician class still produced such men.

    But saying “the rest of you are just visiting” is delusional. From at least 1848 onward, WASP America invited in continental Europeans to settle the west and work in factories. Were they supposed to go home some day? If that’s a story WASP America wants to keep telling itself, then there’s really no helping them.

  97. @PhysicistDave

    Really? Why? As far as I can tell, everyone loves Bush 41 now that he is dead. When he was alive and in power, not so much: e.g., they spent decades whining about the Willie Horton ad (even though it was true and the issue was initially raised by Dukakis’ fellow Dems).

    Your criticisms of Bush’s policy and personal failings have little to do with the article. Douthat’s article was not about Bush 41, the individual ,at all. He’s interpreting the phenomenon of Bush nostalgia as a yearning for 50′s America. It’s a frontal assault on the post Vietnam cultural arrangements that have brought us to our present predicament. It is thinly disguised MAGAism in NYT language. It’s a repudiation of the sogenannten meritocratic structure of elite society ,that is in reality, nothing of the sort (Or rather the “merit” that it rewards is not conducive to building a cohesive society). What’s not to like?

  98. Barnard says:
    @Hail

    Douthat’s great grandfather on his mom’s side was Charles Snow, who was the Governor of Connecticut for a couple of weeks when his predecessor resigned to take a Senate seat. Ross went to private school and then Harvard. Parents are a lawyer and a writer, his wife writes for Smithsonian. You are correct, broadly defined he would be a WASP. I’m surprised the NY Times printed this, this has to trigger someone like Sarah Jeong.

  99. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    In Will and Ariel Durant’s “The Story of Civilization” it is pointed out that every time an old elite ruling class is removed, within two generations a new ruling class has taken its place. That is what is happening here. It is the inevitable outcome of our immigration non-policy (which, from an immigrant group’s perspective, boils down to “Get there Firstest with the Mostest!” to increase their demographic power.)

    Will Durant was an atheist creep who when he was 27-years old had a romantic relationship with a 13-year old student, Chaya (Ida) Kaufman. He then married Chaya (aka, “Ariel”) when she was just 15. Makes Roy Moore look like Macron.

    Having read the Durants’ A Dual Autobiography I’m convinced they were merely secular humanist (anti-Christian civilization) propagandists.

    Ariel was a Ukrainian Jew who had a striking resemblance to Barbra Streisand. https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/14963-ariel-durant

  100. @Rosamond Vincy

    It’s funny how no one can seem to agree on who is a WASP or whether the term “WASP” is a slur. Meanwhile, WASPs are intermarrying with Jews and Asians and running neck-and-neck with Scandinavian-Americans to see which group can be the greatest ethno-masochists. Oh and they also can’t stop taking shots at and undermining any other Whites — from Vladivostok to Montreal — who may be their allies. Good riddance to the WASP, frankly.

  101. Hibernian says:
    @Mr. Blank

    Sounds like a snarky celebration of privilege, without any corresponding reference to responsibilities, to me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  102. Lots of people are very mad about this column.

    Well, he’s thinking mostly of the P part and feels he can get away with it because nowadays that means he’s “cheering down” which is always allowed, indeed mandatory since it’s the whole point as it thereby elevates oneself.

  103. Meritocratic

    cite needed

    Do they ever not steal this base?

    • Agree: Hail
  104. @Pericles

    I would venture to guess that Jeff is his real name. Most 2nd generation or later Chinese in this country are given Anglo names. Not only that, but the Hong Kong Chinese have long given themselves Anglo names that they go by in business, in addition to their Chinese names (think Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee).

  105. @Peter Akuleyev

    More like abdicate.

    See the Late Ming for a similar period in Chinese history.

  106. Their more meritocratic, diverse and secular successors rule us neither as wisely nor as well.

    The ruling class America (or the West) of 2018 is more meritocratic than the one of 60 years ago? Come on! Is it more diverse either? I doubt it. The White men and women you’d have found 60 years ago in Washington, in the faculty lounge of an Ivy League university, at the headquarters of NATO or the EEC would have been far more diverse in their worldviews than their equivalents today.

    I even have to wonder how secular “our” elites are, considering how much magical thinking they engage in and how they fetishize words, gestures and symbols. Dispassionate technocrats, they ain’t.

  107. @Anonymous

    Anonymous, truth be told, most whites want everyone in America to take advantage of what is here and do well and to stop using us as an excuse for everything that is wrong in their life.

  108. @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Jewish merchants liked WASPs because they were the only ones that paid the retail price.

  109. Ross Douthat won’t be the globalizer bastard raising the federal funds rate to 6 percent.

    Some baby boomer boob named Powell might have the balls to wipe the upper middle class rats and the billionaire skunks the HELL out!

    If Douthat was in with the Human Intelligence cocksuckers like that Evan McMuffy boy, would it surprise anyone?

    Powell is a nice surname, and I hope he has the balls to keep raising and raising and raising till the asset bubbles pop all over this damn planet, DAMMIT!

    Merry Christmas!

    • Replies: @Anon
  110. @Peter Akuleyev

    Did the old ruling class of America retire or did it merge with the new one? Isn’t Lauren Lauren* a great example of where WASPs and American Jews are right now? The House of Lifshitz has formed an alliance with the House of Bush and shame on those who think ill of it? Maybe the Obama girls will marry a Rockefeller or Harriman?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bush

  111. midtown says:
    @kaganovitch

    Agreed. And I think it will cost him his position, to be replaced by the considered ruminations of Sarah Jeong.

  112. @Rosamond Vincy

    William Buckley was part of the Mexican-involved oil mafia that George HW Bush was part of.

    Buckley is another globalizer treasonous rat who was too stupid and greedy to be on the Signals Intelligence side of the American Empire.

    William Buckley didn’t have one drop of English blood, but he had that same rat-faced visage that WASP turd George HW Bush had.

    Put that treasonous rat globalizer George HW Bush in the ground for Christ’s sake. Do it now!

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  113. Hosswire says:
    @Anon

    This is an excellent & easily understood analysis. It should be required reading.

  114. Douthat the dope is not so much a dope as to explicitly name the JEWS, but who the Hell else could he be talking about here?

    Not only that, but you even end up with an elite that literally uses the same strategy of exclusion that WASPs once used against Jews to preserve its particular definition of diversity from high-achieving Asians — with the only difference being that our elite is more determined to deceive itself about how and why it’s discriminating.

    I say:

    Certain Jews are using their power over Ivy League admissions policy and decision making to discriminate against Asians and European Christians.

    The Ivy League universities were started to train ministers and businessmen and other professions, and the Ivy League schools were explicitly or implicitly Protestant Christian.

    WASPs are money-grubbing globalizer rats who welcomed the Jews into the WASP/JEW ruling class with open arms. George HW Bush was a treasonous rat globalizer WASP of the worst sort.

  115. @Rosamond Vincy

    Buckley was a legitimate component of Anglo-Saxon America because he and his family had fully assimilated with the dominant core in terms of language, culture, temperament, loyalty, his Christian faith, and his race which was indistinguishable from the actual descendants of Angles and Saxons by way of England. In this regard he was the same as millions of immigrant and settler “Scots-Irish”, French, Scandinavians and especially Germans, all of whom became “un-hyphenated” Americans by 1965.

  116. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:

    This was an old theme of D. Brooks’s around his “Bobos in Paradise” phase: that the old upper crust may have been uncool and hypocritical in their projection of a stodgy patriarchal system of values but that they did it as a sort of acknowledgement that they were the responsible parties if everything went tits-up– in other words, “leadership.” Contrast with the post-60s (really post-70s) Phil Knights and Ted Turners who wore jeans to work and utter profanities on the record for gleeful reporters. Today’s elites dress as teenagers and act as freebooters–but hey, we got a black one, a Mexican one, a Hindu broad, etc.

  117. @Sean

    > meritocratic
    Douthat means Jews, in Harvard. Who, as he points out, now keep out Asians.

  118. @Anon

    The “good ” Wasps beat the “bad” Wasps in 1945.

    Since then the parasite, which first drove them mad, has been hollowing them out. The process could be said to have reached its defining moment with the passing of the immigration act of 1965.

    The world’s Chinese future will look back in (amused) bewilderment.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @fnn
    , @Anon
  119. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    In the movie Matt Damon’s CIA career isn’t too beneficial nationally or personally. Not to mention what it does to his daughter-in-law…

  120. Evocatus says:
    @istevefan

    2) He must not have heard of Judah Benjamin, David Yulee or Jacob Schiff among a few prominent mentions.

    Or Lewis Charles Levin, the first Jewish member of the House of Representatives and prominent Know Nothing party member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Charles_Levin#Philadelphia_riots_and_election_to_Congress

    If anything, Jews were probably seen in a more positive light by 19th century Anglo-Protestant Americans compared to Catholics, especially Irish-Catholics, though both groups would have been legally considered white.

  121. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    Via Twitter muscles he’s unleashing his Chiang– errrrr, Yang

  122. Anonymous[765] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Have you ever tried to convince a skeptical person of something IRL? Conceding something less important to get someone to listen tk something more important is a good strategy.

  123. @PhysicistDave

    Yeah Dave, but Mr. Douthat’s column was not particularly about George HW Bush, but about the decline of WASPs as the main elites of society. He just used this infotainment Bush-death thing to start off his column. I agree with you on what you wrote about the ex-President.

    If this is the cream of the WASPs… well, I come from a long line of WASPs myself, but if this is the best we can do, we are done.

    He’s just one guy, and US Presidents don’t seem to be the cream of ANYTHING anymore, not even at the level of the cream skimmed off at the sewer plant “fermentation” tank. What kind of sample do we have from the urban contingent, that community organizer guy? That didn’t work out very well either.

    I thought this column was very good too, but I’m going completely by Mr. Sailer’s excerpt here. I only click on the NY Times by accident – it’s simply policy with me.

  124. Hail says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas

    Jews refuse to accept that they’re no longer plucky underdogs denied their rightful due but rather a wealthy and powerful group who dominate whole institutions of American civic life

    Excellently put.

    This comment could be pinned to the top of the iSteve blog in that it explains a lot of the blog items; similar stories pointing this way are under heavy self-censorship in most other venues; if any ever does somehow percolate up, the person responsible quickly disappears, never to be heard from again (in the MSM, that is).

    Remember What’s-His-Name, that one CNN guy, a White Hispanic I believe. Vanished. Is he still alive? Who knows.

  125. @Rosamond Vincy

    I call them WASCs. Inelegant, and dependent upon the original to be understood, but roughly serviceable.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  126. Has Ross Douthat found himself to be independently wealthy all of a sudden and he don’t care if the NY Times gives him the heave-ho?

  127. @Anon

    Also, Jews could argue that they did much to fund the Civil Rights Movement. They also spearheaded Free Speech Rights in America. They expanded civil liberties. Jews could also argue that their Noblesse Oblige isn’t merely within the US but to the world. By welcoming immigrants, they are allowing millions of people to have better lives in America. The stereotype of the penny-pinching Jew is no more. None of the Jewish kids I knew growing up were stingy.

    Nothing says compassion like ethnically cleansing poor whites by assault and murder under the cover of ‘desegregation’ and ‘civil liberties’. Say what you will about the Nazis, but they didn’t force their victim’s children to cheer about how moral their atrocities were.

    As for adherence to civil liberties, those are the classic tools to gain power. Now they have power, the civil liberties are being curtailed. They were never serious in the first place.

    But with rising education and increasing mechanization, the head came to be valued far more than the body.

    Bull. The best time for manual laborers was 1945-1970 which had plenty of mechanization. We are ruled by people whose power comes from coordinating lies among themselves so they can speak with one voice and create a fake consensus. These people hate those who don’t bend when they demand it which is most clear in masculinity and manual laborers. So they decided to break them.

    So, if two lawyers wanna marry, one has to give up his/her job.

    Go back to the 1950s, 1880s, 1820s or earlier and you’ll note there aren’t that many upper class women with jobs. Coincidentally these times also have high fertility rates. No need for the nonsense of biosocialism- patriarchy means a stable society and a better tomorrow.

  128. @Rosamond Vincy

    And before that there was the ultra Wasp Joseph Sill Clark Jr, who was both Mayor of Philadelphia and Senator from Pennsylvania.
    Three Clark brothers founded banking dynasties in Boston, New York and Philadelphia before the Civil War. The Senator was the most prominent in the history of his branch, while Grenville Clark holds that position in New York, and the Boston cohort, which died out pretty quickly in the male line, makes do with the splendidly aristocratic Joseph Clark Grew, one of the only members of the American diplomatic corps to wear a uniform en poste.
    Unlike Longstreth, Clark won most of his electoral battles, but his liberalism can be said to have prepared the way for his classmates later defeat.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @EH
  129. Andrew says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The US ruling class just seems to have decided to retire at the peak of their success.

    More like they just decided not to have enough kids because of the fear of them not all growing up to be natural aristocrats. To populate is to govern! In past centuries, the aristocrats had the most children and most of their children gradually descended to become mechanics and peasants over a few generations because only the cream can rise to the top of the milk. A cow cannot only give cream from its teat.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
  130. Hail says: • Website
    @Old Palo Altan

    The law to which you refer, while passed in 1965, went into effect July 1, 1968.

    This is not a quibble, but a proposal: I wonder how plausible it would be for we White Americans to start using “1968″ in the way that the Europeans do. Western Europeans came to use 1968 as shorthand for the inflection point, the “defining moment” (generally positively, nowadays more negatively). Really as a shorthand for decline and ultimately racial displacement. Things never collapse suddenly (except for Plato’s Atlantis, destroyed by a calamity overnight). It takes most people quite a while to figure it out, and 1968 is now fifty years gone.

    But that 1968 specifically is full of symbolism cannot be denied; pick and choose your favorite ones. The first immigrants arriving in the USA under the new immigration policy is perhaps the best one. Much of Washington, D.C. itself had burned that spring, in a week-long Black mayhem-and-arson-spree — and while a good portion of the city very much literally went down in flames, the symbolism is a lot more important than the actual loss of x number of buildings (and even of the out-migration of the then-still-sizable White population that led to Washington, DC’s historical low point of the 1970s-1990s era). There was a strict policy of no shooting of looters/rioters.

  131. @Alec Leamas

    No, I think it is more that they don’t want us to notice that they are no longer plucky underdogs.

    Notice it, and you are instantly destroyed; nod wonderingly at their tales of woe and plucky survival, and you are tolerated for yet a little while.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. Andrew says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Thatcher Longstretch

    If you want to know why the WASP elite like him deteriorated, read this obituary of one of his friends in politics and ponder the moral mess of his family life and his descendants.

    https://www.chestnuthilllocal.com/2013/07/25/louis-g-hill/

  133. Ibound1 says:

    Our new ruling class is becoming “Stalinized”. It increasingly sees itself at war with the population it governs, while pretending to govern in its name, and as its power grows more extensive and intrusive, it is less and less tolerant of those who even suspect its propaganda, much less challenge its rule. I suppose we should be grateful that whereas Stalin simply killed the population he did not want, our new ruling class is bringing in a new population altogether.

    • Replies: @dvorak
  134. @Hibernian

    Beyond Lace Curtain: Cut Glass.

  135. fnn says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    The “good ” Wasps beat the “bad” Wasps in 1945.

    https://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/08/paul-gottfried-hates-wasp-people.html

    Some context on Kingman Brewster, from The guardians: Kingman Brewster, his circle, and the rise of the liberal establishment by Geoffrey Kabaservice:

    Brewster [Sr.], described by one acquaintance as “a crustacean McKinleyite Republican,” entertained many members of Congress at his Catoctin retreat. [. . .] Brewster’s politics, however, were too extreme to be openly expressed in the mainstream GOP. His anti-Communism was so rabid and sweeping that his son remembered that “if I were considerate enough to visit him in Washington with a friend whose parents were somehow associated with the Roosevelt administration, it was natural that he should refer quite regularly to my ‘Communist friends.’” [. . .] Brewster’s political opinions and his business contacts with Germany led the FBI to start a file on him. While various information testified that he admired the Nazi system and claimed to have met personally with Hitler on visits to Germany, the FBI’s investigation revealed little aside from the fact that “BREWSTER possessed a great hatred for Jews and regarded them with suspicion at all times.”

    Brewster’s views on race and religion were perhaps most fully expressed in the works of his good friend the eugenicist Lothrop Stoddard, who believed that Anglo-Saxon civilization and America’s ancestral purity were under threat from inferior races. Stoddard was, like Brewster, a Harvard Law School graduate and sometime resident of Brookline, Massachusetts. (Brookline was, not coincidentally, the location of the nation’s first country club.) Stoddard’s works included evocative titles such as The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy and The Revolt Against Civilization: The Menace of the Under-Man.

    American society, according to Brewster and Stoddard, was a racial aristocracy under threat [. . .] Many upper-class East Coast gentlemen shared the view that snobbery and racial exclusion were necessary to preserve their elite culture, even if they stopped short of Stoddard’s conclusion that “race cleansing is the obvious starting-point for race betterment.” Although Brewster’s virulent racial opinions were welcome in polite society, most of his peers expressed themselves in more decorous terms. [. . .]

    Brewster Sr. was a strikingly handsome man, with a magnetic appeal to women. He was married five times, although the legality of several of those unions was questionable. [. . .] Kingman Jr. recalled that at his father’s funeral, it was his role to keep the wives apart; they were all still fond of him.

    Kingman Jr. once told an interviewer that he had been “terrified” of the father who had given him “a stepmother in every port.” [. . .] The son detested his father’s fascism and ultraconservatism, and so kept some distance. [. . .]

    Kingman Sr.s paranoid racism, extreme anticommunism, and unbridled hatred of Franklin Roosevelt reflected an entire class’s inability to cope with drastic change.

  136. @Old Palo Altan

    The measure of Philly’s decline can be seen in the fact that Longstreth, and his socks, drew some affectionate mockery from both supporters and opponents, but I never heard that anybody actively hated him.
    This would no longer be the case.

  137. @Rosamond Vincy

    I appreciate that, but I think that, with Wasps too, the “anglo-saxon” part is to be taken very broadly and to mean nothing much more than “white”. Buckley hated to be identified with the aggressively Celtic Irish, and probably thought of himself a an honorary Englishman. He was sent to Beaumont for a year or two, the more expensive and more upper-middle class of the two English Jesuit boarding schools of the time. The other, Stonyhurst, was (again, at the time) more for aristocrats, who tended, at least after the First war, to be poorer.
    The largely Scots and Scots-Irish families such as the Mellons and the McCormicks certainly count as Wasps, so why not use (sparingly, I agree) the term Wasc for the rich but also sophisticated Irish catholics like the Buckleys and the Graces (of New York)?

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @JLK
  138. @Hail

    I strongly agree with your proposal that we start talking about “68ers” the way they do in Europe. As things now stand, we have people taking shots at “Boomers”, which really mixes the mouse droppings in with the peppercorns. “Boomer” is a marketing category while “68er” is a much more specific political label.

    The 68ers became the Establishment. “The hippies became the yuppies”. Tony Blair, the Clintons, guys like José Manuel Barroso and the Hollande-Royal power couple in France all merged with what we now call globalists. Because the 68ers made their “long march through the institutions’, there’s an ocean of Gen X, Millennial and younger epigones of the 68ers running around parroting all their New Left talking points.

    That being said, at this moment, the 68ers Establishment is being challenged by the yellow vests. The proles and peasantry they turned their back on in ’68 are back with a vengeance.

  139. Twinkie says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Not Anglo-Saxon either: Celtic

    A lot, perhaps most, “Anglo-Saxons” are more Britannic (or Celtic) genetically than Anglo-Saxon. Saxon and Norman invaders did not replace the previous British population wholesale, but mostly engaged in elite replacement and co-option.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. @Rosamond Vincy

    In forty years, there will be a small group of WASPs, living in exile in Nova Scotia, sitting around debating whether Bill Buckley was White. Maybe by then they will be using AI WASPs?

  141. Graham says:
    @Anon

    Good luck with that. The term ‘Brit’ originated as an IRA-promoted ethnic slur. Now even British people use it. I refuse to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  142. Hail says: • Website
    @Old Palo Altan

    I think that, with Wasps too, the “anglo-saxon” part is to be taken very broadly and to mean nothing much more than “white”

    A more useful term is NW European, but somewhat hard to see it really catching on.

    NOrthWest EuropeanS = NOWEs? (It beats that goofy/demeaning ‘WEIRD’ acronym.)

  143. @Hail

    The 1968ers were a bunch of nation-wrecking globalizers. World War II produced some real dirtbags who went bananas in 1968.

    I will repeat that LBJ — who signed the treasonous 1965 Immigration Act into law — was born in 1908. It wasn’t the baby boomer pukes who cooked up the evil 1965 Immigration Act.

    Marine Le Pen in France don’t much care for the 1968er nation wreckers who push for mass immigration and multiculturalism and globalization.

    Marine Le Pen only got 35 percent of the vote in 2017, but Macron has been a complete and total whore for the bankers and plutocrats and unpatriotic globalizer scum in France.

    I think that Marine Le Pen’s advisors were planning on 2022 as the year the patriotic French come to power, so the result in 2017, while disappointing, is not that big a deal.

    Tweet from 2014:

  144. @Hibernian

    I remember my father laughing about the first time he heard the term “lace curtain Irish”. A fellow officer in an Irish regiment told my father that one of his future in-laws asked him if he was “lace curtain Irish” when he was about to marry into a Philadelphia family. The other officer was a baronet. There’s something a little comical about WASP snobbery, when it’s looked at from another perspective.

  145. “Their more meritocratic, diverse and secular successors ….”

    We miss the WASPs because their successors are none of those things.

  146. @Hail

    Douthat is not only a “WASP”, he is a direct Mayflower descendant through his mother, a Snow.

    Nicholas Snow left London and arrived in Plymouth, MA in 1623, where he met and married Constance Hopkins, who had arrived there 3 years earlier with her family on the Mayflower. They moved to Cape Cod around the mid 1640s, and had numerous children, most of whom also had numerous children.

    Their great-grandson Isaac Snow moved to Maine, and his great-x-3 grandson Charles Wilbur Snow absconded from there to CT, where he sired Douthat’s mother.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hail
  147. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “there can’t be real meritocracy when Jewish elites, blacks, and homos are immune to criticism ”

    Because, for you, ‘meritocracy’ means “hate people smarter than you.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  148. Are Wes Anderson films WASPy? I ask because I’m trying to think of any cultural impact, whatsoever, that WASPs are making now. Is there anything at all, apart from Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter? Moby maybe? Was the old lady in the “where’s the beef?” ad a WASP? I’m grasping at straws here.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @black sea
  149. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The establishment had always been somewhat permeable to arrivistes, Jews and Catholics imitated WASP habits in the 1940s and 1950s, and in our era their admirable influence is still felt in figures as different as Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

    A subtle allusion to the problem we now face with the new group of meritocratic elites, they are Jews, Catholics, blacks — people not known historically for their integrity or self-restraint, two Victorian era virtues that are requisite qualities of being a WASP.

    Our new elites are arrogant, crass, ruthless, dishonest, driven to excess in all forms and ultimately, self-serving. Believing that they arrived at the top through merit, and being largely Godless, they attribute all their success to their own intelligence and drive, and think nothing of belittling others, or flaunting their wealth. They aren’t here to serve others, they’re here to take what’s rightfully theirs and flaunt it. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.

    Many of us do not miss the WASPs so much as we miss what they represent – good manners, integrity, humility and self-restraint, qualities that are sorely lacking from our new elites.

  150. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr. Blank

    That line, along with the rest of that movie, was written by a Jew, Eric Roth.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  151. J1234 says:

    I notice a lot more trolls now in Steve’s comments section than I used to. Anyway, as to the Douthat article, I see WASP-ism as multifaceted, often good…usually good…but not always. There were about a dozen or more WASP’s on the SCOTUS – appointed by relatively conservative administrations during very demographically WASP era’s – who were very destructive to the country and culture. They paved a destructive path for the American legal system. A Catholic appointed by Kennedy was the only dissent in Roe v. Wade. Scalia was Catholic. Thomas is Catholic. Why have Catholics (Sotomayor aside) been less destructive on the court than WASPs?

    The dysfunctional elevation of the “other” in western thought comes not only from a perverse extrapolation of Christianity, but also from a perverse extrapolation of (originally fair-minded, evidence based and “blind,” as they say) Anglo Saxon legal concepts. The perversion resides in covertly radical idea of, “If a little of something is good, than a whole lot of it must be real good!” (Use that logic with a bottle of aspirin, and you’re dead…real quick.)

    Here’s another unintentionally funny article from CNN. It complains about the number of Catholics on the SC, implying that this isn’t fair since Catholics are declining as a religious presence in the US. Because the elephant in the room is too big to be noticed, the author also obligingly mentions that a different religious group which makes up less than 2% of the US population holds 1/3 of the seats on the Supreme Court…and draws absolutely no grand conclusions from that. If you need a good laugh, read a CNN article.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/catholic-justices/index.html

    (BTW, I’m not Catholic. I’m Missouri Synod Lutheran.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Evocatus
  152. @Dave Pinsen

    Hollywood writes the unauthorised autobiographies of other ethnic groups and nations. People from those groups watch films, get swept up in the storytelling and come out fully embracing how “their” guy on screen defined his people.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  153. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    US Presidents don’t seem to be the cream of ANYTHING anymore

    They’re the cream of campaigners. Trump is president in part because he was the best at coming up with pithy put-downs of his opponents. That doesn’t necessarily translate to governing.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  154. @Hibernian

    Outrage & discord in the comments bring lotsa clicks & pageviews.

    Douthat may make bien-pensant editors gag, but he probably makes the bean-counters happy.

  155. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Samuel Skinner

    Nothing says compassion like ethnically cleansing poor whites by assault and murder under the cover of ‘desegregation’ and ‘civil liberties’.

    Civil Rights for blacks wasn’t a conspiracy to ethnically cleanse whites, and many Jews ended up the victims of black crime and quality of life decline too. African Americans didn’t seem as scary in the mid-20th century: their protestors were well-dressed men in suits, they had a self-sufficient bourgeoisie, their music was melodic, there was no World Star Hip Hop, etc.

  156. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Douthat isn’t the first to write about such sentiments. 5 years ago, way back in 2013, Joseph Epstein wrote a similar article for the WSJ:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-late-great-american-wasp-1387586625

    Although WASP technically stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, WASP generally is used to describe old money. Epstein gave a more precise definition of what a WASP is:

    WASPs were a caste, closed off to all not born within it, with the possible exception of those who crashed the barriers by marrying in. WASP credentials came with lineage, and lineage—that is, proper birth—automatically brought connections to the right institutions. Yale, Princeton and Harvard were the great WASP universities, backed up by Choate, Groton, Andover, Exeter and other prep schools. WASPs tended to live in exclusive neighborhoods: on upper Park and Fifth Avenues in New York, on the Main Line in Philadelphia, the Back Bay in Boston, Lake Forest and Winnetka in Chicago.

    WASP life, though, was chiefly found on the eastern seaboard. WASPs had their own social clubs and did business with a small number of select investment and legal firms, such as Brown Brothers Harriman and Sullivan & Cromwell. Many lived on inherited money, soundly invested.

    WASPs are not just wealthy but pious, they live by the Ten Commandments of thou shalt not lie, cheat, steal, kill, commit adultery. Jews, Catholics, blacks, LGBTQ who try to immitate the WASPs only do so superficially, by adopting their clothing and mannerisms, without adopting what makes them great which is character, built from observing a pious, honest and ascetic life, like J.D. Rockefeller. They are the true descendants of the Puritans who made this country great:

    So dominant was WASP culture that some wealthy families who didn’t qualify by lineage attempted to imitate and live the WASP life. The Catholic Kennedys were the most notable example. The Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port—the sailing, the clothes, the touch football played on expansive green lawns—was pure WASP mimicry, all of it, except that true WASPs were too upstanding to go in for the unscrupulous business dealings of Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. or the feckless philanderings of him and some of his sons.

    Yet the WASP elite had dignity and an impressive sense of social responsibility. In a 1990 book called “The Way of the Wasp,” Richard Brookhiser held that the chief WASP qualities were “success depending on industry; use giving industry its task; civic-mindedness placing obligations on success, and antisensuality setting limits to the enjoyment of it; conscience watching over everything.”

    Under WASP hegemony, corruption, scandal and incompetence in high places weren’t, as now, regular features of public life. Under WASP rule, stability, solidity, gravity and a certain weight and aura of seriousness suffused public life. As a ruling class, today’s new meritocracy has failed to provide the positive qualities that older generations of WASPs provided.

    Like Douthat, Epstein also went on to point out the flaws of our new meritocrats, which he explained are largely the products of our elite universities:

    What our new meritocrats have failed to evince—and what the older WASP generation prided itself on—is character and the ability to put the well-being of the nation before their own. Character embodied in honorable action is at the heart of the novels and stories of Louis Auchincloss, America’s last unembarrassedly WASP writer. Doing the right thing, especially in the face of temptations to do otherwise, was the WASP test par excellence. Most of our meritocrats, by contrast, seem to be in business for themselves.

    Trust, honor, character: The elements that have departed U.S. public life with the departure from prominence of WASP culture have not been taken up by the meritocrats. Many meritocrats who enter politics, when retired by the electorate from public life, proceed to careers in lobbying or other special-interest advocacy. University presidents no longer speak to the great issues in education but instead devote themselves to fundraising and public relations, and look to move on to the next, more prestigious university presidency.

    Thus far in their history, meritocrats, those earnest good students, appear to be about little more than getting on, getting ahead and (above all) getting their own. The WASP leadership, for all that may be said in criticism of it, was better than that.

    The WASPs’ day is done. Such leadership as it provided isn’t likely to be revived. Recalling it at its best is a reminder that the meritocracy that has followed it marks something less than clear progress. Rather the reverse.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  157. How can Ross write about our new multi-cultural leadership without citing the ideas of the only man to clearly identify the problems attending the partial assimilation of premodern ethnic groups into WASP society? Ross, please consider John Murray Cuddihy’s arguments next time.

  158. The problem with the article is that it dismisses that WASPS were not singularly responsible for the supposed ethos that is missed.

    The ethos is one of judeo-Christian and tolerance for others. The English populations — greater Britain comprised of Catholics, in very large numbers in Scotland, Wales and Ireland represent a very sizeable number of the population in the US and have since the nations founding.

    What the current rhetoric concerning waspishness is just how pervasive the insistence on making whiteness a pre-requisite for citizenship. The problem is that one can be every bit as Anglican and be a a color other than white. One can hold every value about christian and western ethos and be Catholic. And as the country makes clear — it is the over whelming judeo-christian ethos that has helped foster the country’s success. Catholics, Jews and even Muslims worked just as hard, held value to family, education etc. In fact, if not for the Catholics the spread of educational systems would not be what it is (though my comment must room for another reality that might have com e had Catholics not provided such a polity)

    No. What we miss about President Bush is a kind of polity in which the leadership was not so immersed in gutter politics. That one withheld giving into one’s instinctive negatives. That Pres. Bush declined to engage in practices even his supporters felt he should. But that is not a sentiment of WASPS, that is a sentiment of propriety and the idea that WASPS alone hold it —

    is simply unsustainable. I am deeply saddened that so much about how much whiteness alone serves as some kind of qualifier to citizenship.

    And I am not sure that bodes well for the future or conservatives.

    Note: so pervasive was the press for some moral order (however imperfect) that even atheists could hold high moral ground and be US citizens. ever color is our eternal stumbling block.

  159. JLK says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    I appreciate that, but I think that, with Wasps too, the “anglo-saxon” part is to be taken very broadly and to mean nothing much more than “white”. Buckley hated to be identified with the aggressively Celtic Irish, and probably thought of himself a an honorary Englishman.

    When Buckley came of age, you had to emulate the WASPs to join polite society. But he was late in the game to be a true example of a patrician WASP.

    WWII was the halcyon of WASP dominance. Their decline started immediately after the war as a result for sympathy for Jews over the concentration camp deaths and non-WASP upward mobility because of the GI Bill and implementation of standardized tests for college admission.

  160. J1234 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    African Americans didn’t seem as scary in the mid-20th century: their protestors were well-dressed men in suits, they had a self-sufficient bourgeoisie, etc.

    My dad, who passed away this year, told me (more than once) that when he was a young single man before WW2, he had absolutely no concerns walking by himself through the black part of town by himself. There would only be a concern if a white woman was walking by herself, but if accompanied by a white man, no problem.

    My dad’s high school of the mid-1930′s turned into my home town’s most notorious black high school of the late-1960′s. Demographics hadn’t changed much during that time – the school had always been near a black neighborhood – so he was speaking from experience.

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @Dave Pinsen
  161. Forbes says:

    Not only that, but you even end up with an elite that literally uses the same strategy of exclusion that WASPs once used against Jews to preserve its particular definition of diversity from high-achieving Asians

    Now that’s funny! If WASPs excluded Jews at Harvard, et al. (ca. 1920s), none would’ve attended–that’s what exclusion means in my dictionary–none, nada, zip, zero. Clearly that wasn’t the case as many Jews attended.

    Same story today regarding Chinese and other Asians. No exclusion going on. Debate admissions subjectivity all you want–but tell the truth about the present and the past.

  162. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    As for adherence to civil liberties, those are the classic tools to gain power.

    What is “classic” about it?

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
  163. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    No, I think it is more that they don’t want us to notice that they are no longer plucky underdogs.

    They’ve never been underdogs.

  164. @Charles Pewitt

    When Buckley Sr. was approached by a journalist who offered to get his family in the papers for a sum of money, Buckley asked how much he would have to pay to keep his family out of the papers.

    This is the sort of grand gesture people like Bootlegger Joe Kennedy wouldn’t even dream of until it was too late.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  165. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    A lot, perhaps most, “Anglo-Saxons” are more Britannic (or Celtic) genetically than Anglo-Saxon.

    What is the difference between Britannic and Celtic?

    • Replies: @Anon
  166. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marat Said

    Douthat is not only a “WASP”, he is a direct Mayflower descendant through his mother, a Snow.

    What percentage of his ancestry though?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  167. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    (BTW, I’m not Catholic. I’m Missouri Synod Lutheran.)

    I’d ask that you refrain from using the term “WASP”. It is an ethnic slur.

    Steve, in using the term, in effect is engaged in corralling his own little coalition of the fringes.

  168. NYCTexan says:
    @Anon

    The Jewish head can’t help seeing the white body as ‘pitchfolk nazi cossack mobs.’

    This is a very important observation. I believe it goes back long before the Pale of Settlement. I too have known more than a few Jews who consider themselves progressives and no fans of capitalism, but if you take the position that bankers and financiers should not have the power that they do, these same self-professed anti-elitists will respond with a fury that the uninitiated may find perplexing.

    To understand this behavior, one must look to the customs of Judaism. At first glance, a religion that concerns itself with teaching the young at an early age about counting and changing money might seem somewhat shallow and rudimentary. But this is crucial to creating a priest class whose domain is money by virtue of having put in the time to be educated thoroughly about it. In of itself it confers a justification to a license which can be analogized to whether you would want a medical doctor who is a stranger to take out your appendix or your mother whom you trust but has no formal medical training.

    I have ceased to be shocked by how many seemingly fellow traveler Jews make essentially this argument when banking and finance come under intense scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  169. @Dave Pinsen

    Good point. Heard a young black guy complaining there was no R&B anymore, with all the harmony. Must have heard it from an uncle or something, because he’s right: they don’t play it.

  170. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    and many Jews ended up the victims of black crime and quality of life decline too.

    Many other Jews were able to scoop up prime real estate at rock bottom prices.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  171. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The many ways our new (((meritocrats))) attacked the WASP establishment to take over the country:

    1) Promote free trade (Milton Friedman – profit is king) and outsourcing to send away all the good paying factory jobs to China, starve the white middle class which forms the backbone of this country, then ply them with prescription drugs like opiod
    2) Promote mass immigration, flood the country with non-whites to dilute white power: Hispanics to replace whites in low end jobs, Indians and other Asians to replace whites in high paying jobs
    3) Endless foreign wars to get more gentile whites killed fighting Zionist wars
    4) Promote the use of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, fenatyl to and other drugs to whites through pop culture then try to legalize them
    5) Promote moral rot through pornography, rap music, homosexuality, hook-up culture and coarse pop culture through their control of Hollywood
    6) Lure young teenage white males into gay lifestyle to expand their gay community, then try to legitimize homosexuality as “natural”
    7) Convince more young whites they are mentally ill and need sex change operations, since they run the psychiatric racket
    8) Take over HYP and from there educated a whole generation of journalists, academics and lawyers to control the narrative, indoctrinate future generations, change the laws to suit their own end and use the media to browbeat other elites into submission, i.e. accept leftism and Zionism or they are anti-Semitic, racist, sexist, homophobic.
    9) Control the banks, cheat and swindle the system to the max, privatize profits and socialize losses, promote unchecked greed then flaunt their wealth
    10) Control the new media, i.e. Google, Facebook, Twitter and use censorship to silence dissent.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  172. George HW Bush was a treasonous WASP rat who secretly colluded with the ruling class in Mexico to massively increase illegal immigration from Mexico into the United States.

    George HW Bush was an evil, money-grubbing globalizer treasonite who did everything he could to damage and destroy the cultural integrity and national sovereignty of the United States.

    George HW Bush’s 1990 Immigration Act massively increased legal immigration into the USA and it also encouraged more illegal immigration.

    They can’t get that disgusting WASP rodent George HW Bush into the ground quick enough to satisfy me.

    What ancestral claim does New England WASP rat George HW Bush have to Texas?

    George HW Bush and his spawn George W Bush were nation-wrecking rats who perfectly represented the evil WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire.

    Get that bastard George HW Bush in the frigging ground, Dammit!

    Merry Christmas!

  173. @Rosamond Vincy

    This is the sort of grand gesture people like Bootlegger Joe Kennedy wouldn’t even dream of until it was too late.

    I remember hearing Bootlegger Joe Kennedy got his loot out of the 1920s stock market bubble close to the top, that’s what made him. That’s a financially savvy gesture.

    Buckley presumed to speak for old stocker Americans when he had no English colonial ancestry. Buckley was a CIA Leprechaun boob, much like John Brennan, who willingly took steps to demographically destroy his own nation by downplaying the threat of mass immigration.

  174. KunioKun says:

    Ross’s job exists to validate our destruction. He is worse than an antifa who wants to punch us for disagreeing with them. Hopefully, he gets deplatformed and replaced with a transexual.

  175. Art Deco says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That’s true of politicians generally. They excel at organizing fundraising and publicity campaigns. The thing is, the voting public is willing to eat that sh!t. My hometown congressman abruptly died last March, so, for the first time 32 years someone other than that woman was going to be on the ballot. Candidate B is a retired surgeon. Candidate A is a 61 year old man who has held elective office since he was 28 and has had no other adult occupation that he or anyone else remembers. Candidate A wins with an 18% pt plurality. This is in a district wherein the Republicans are quite competitive in county government elections, so Dr. Maxwell’s problems with the voters generally cannot be attributed to that.

  176. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Btw, the new elite WAS more meritocratic. Not anymore with all these holistic BS.

    Spot on. Holistic admission allows a group to hold on to their perch. Jews saw the big mistake WASPs made by letting go of HYP, they aren’t about to make the same mistake by turning control over to the new group of greasy grinds a.k.a. the Asians.

    Also, there can’t be real meritocracy when Jewish elites, blacks, and homos are immune to criticism as they are holy people shielded by taboos around ‘antisemitism’, ‘racism’, and ‘homophobia’.

    Spot on again. Those 3 terms form a wall around these 3 protected groups, allowing them to do anything and everything without ever having to face any criticism, while they lie, cover and cheat to promote one another.

    There is a strong link between homosexuality and pedophilia, but msm does not investigate at all on this link, and actively tries to ignore any reports of it. Even in their attacks on the Catholic church for their sex abuse, they focused on the coverup and the religious hypocrisy angle and completely ignored the more important point, which was pointed out by the president of the Philippines today, that these priests are first and foremost a bunch of homosexual pedophiles:

    https://rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htm

    The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel,s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/thomas-ocarroll-mainstreaming-pedophilia/comment-page-3/

    How far we have fallen as a civilization thanks to these protected groups. That’s why they need protection — from anyone learning about the truth. If more parents esp. mothers learn of the truth of homosexuality, its support would plummet.

  177. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Graham

    Who cares what the IRA says? Brit is harmless.

  178. OT: In Alsace, bakers are selling their traditional raisin-bread men with yellow vests on them:

    When you’ve lost the bakeries, you’ve lost France.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  179. black sea says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I’m trying to think of writers . . . not those of the current moment — there are no writers of the current moment having a cultural impact — but those who in the past few decades perhaps did, and wrote from a somewhat WASP frame of reference.

    Hunter Thompson and David Foster Wallace come to mind, but they both killed themselves, which doesn’t seem to bode too well for the WASP legacy.

    There was Kurt Cobain, but also a suicide . . .

    I don’t know, Kid Rock, maybe.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  180. EH says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    Good family, the Grews – there are some surviving collateral male lines to J.C. Grew, prominent in banking in the late 19th/early 20th c., with middle names such as Sturgis and Hooper. One, my father’s Dartmouth roommate, became a top mineralogist, though he had already had a mountain in Antarctica named after him when he was only a few years into his career.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  181. black sea says:
    @J1234

    I remember my father’s cousin once commenting that in her youth, she and her friends would ride their bikes through black neighborhoods without giving it a thought. Nobody challenged or harassed them. This would have been in Birmingham, Alabama in the late 1940s.

  182. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @NYCTexan

    Finance != big business

    I remember back in the 1990s a lot of Jews had a paranoid fear of Bill Gates, especially after he bought NBC. They thought he was going to turn into another Henry Ford.

  183. @Dave Pinsen

    Civil Rights for blacks wasn’t a conspiracy to ethnically cleanse whites,

    I’m not claiming it was a conspiracy. Neither was the Hodomor. The fact the slaughter occurred and they were unwilling to backtrack is what marks them as evil.

    and many Jews ended up the victims of black crime and quality of life decline too.

    When have the elite ever cared about peasants?

    African Americans didn’t seem as scary in the mid-20th century: their protestors were well-dressed men in suits,

    Your evidence there wasn’t a conspiracy is the fact the media crafted an image specifically designed to be nonthreatening?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  184. @Hail

    Remember What’s-His-Name, that one CNN guy, a White Hispanic I believe. Vanished. Is he still alive? Who knows.

    Ricardo León Sánchez de Reinaldo is that one CNN guy.

    Yeah, very powerless people. [laughs] He’s such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What—are you kidding? I’m telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?

  185. @Rosamond Vincy

    Philly had its own version of George HW Bush, complete with sock collection: Thatcher Longstreth. He ran for Mayor, but lost to Frank Rizzo, Philly’s version of Boss Tweed. Philly has deteriorated ever since.

    Speaking of Longstreths and deterioration:

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0519489/

    https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Emily-Longstreth

  186. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I agree. Powell is the first Fed chairman since Paul Volcker in 1987 (31 years ago) who is not a member of the tribe. He seems to be softening though after the recent spate of attacks from Trump, which was ridiculous. Trump is the first president to violate the rule of independence for the Fed. All the more ridiculous since Trump berated Obama for keeping the interest rate artificially low and promised to raise the rates on the campaign trail. Now that he’s finally got a Fed chair ballsy enough to do the right thing he’s suddenly attacking him for doing what he should be doing. The high interest rate is hurting his Trump property development business, NY high end real estate market is crashing. He blames it on Powell’s interest rate rise but his(and Jared’s) fancy real estate was just a money laundering scheme for rich Chinese and Russians, who buy with cash. The Chinese and Russians aren’t buying anymore because their businesses are hurting from the trade sanctions, and China’s new capital control is taking effect.

    Powell needs to ignore Trump and keep raising rates. It’s time for the country to go back to rewarding savers, punishing profligate spenders and speculative borrowers.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
  187. @Anonymous

    Attacking the machinery the elite uses to prevent being usurped prior to usurping them is what is classic. For example declaring the right of individual conscience in matters of religion and then once you have the power punishing people for having different opinions.

    Blinding with bullshit is what ‘civil liberties’ is. The first amendment of the US constitution didn’t extend to the individual states until 1925-1947 (different dates for different parts). Not surprisingly the collapse follows soon after.

  188. @Andrew

    Nope, first wave feminism. Raise female status, elite females have status above elite males, fertility drops and elite fails to replace itself.

    Feminism is about as natural as concrete. It is a creation of the elite just like every other time it has occurred in history and just like every other time, it consumed them. Maybe it was a tool to justify adultery and messing with other mens wives. Maybe it was just an excuse to hurt others. Regardless, once unity is lost and the elite turns on itself, the empire starts to die and newcomers come in to loot and be consumed. The process continues until the empire implodes.

  189. @black sea

    I remember my father’s cousin once commenting that in her youth, she and her friends would ride their bikes through black neighborhoods without giving it a thought. Nobody challenged or harassed them. This would have been in Birmingham, Alabama in the late 1940s.

    It’s probably the case that in the South at that time had blacks harassed peaceable whites or worse, the entire black community would fear retribution and therefore self-police.

    My grandparents’ negative interactions with blacks were primarily and perhaps exclusively with newer “Great Migration” arrivals in Philadelphia from down South unbound from the structure of Southern society which kept a peace between whites and blacks living in proximity.

  190. @Tiny Duck

    Yeah, those White males.
    They are so awful, the entire world wants to live among those White males. Migration is a human right!
    As long as it is migration to live with White people.

  191. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Because, for you, ‘meritocracy’ means “hate people smarter than you.”

    Smart people with integrity accept criticism and admit they have good and bad qualities. The problem with PC is it allows Jews, blacks, and homos to always act holy and reject criticism as ‘racist’, ‘antisemitic’, or ‘homophobic’.

    Smarts with integrity is good. Smarts minus integrity is more dangerous than dumbness. Jordan Belfort and Madoff were smart guys with no scruples. They did a lot of harm.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  192. @Anon

    Hey – what are you doing? Noticing?!?

  193. @Anonymous

    Could you please refrain from using the term “WASP”? It is a Jewish-promoted ethnic slur.

    Edward Banfield was Jewish? Like Abe Lincoln?

    • Replies: @Anon
  194. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    The world’s Chinese future will look back in (amused) bewilderment.

    China’s one advantage is it has a A LOT of people, and many of them are still content with body-jobs. Despite economic rise, many Chinese are still very poor by Western standards, and they would be happy to have a factory job. Also, maybe residue of Maoism makes them respect labor a bit more than in capitalist Asian nations that are into fanciness.

    But compare China with Taiwan, a very ‘pozzed’ nation. It has a small population that is shrinking fast, along with Japan, S. Korea, and Singapore. The Asian Tigers are now Asian Pandas, very difficult to breed.

    Taiwan, like other Pandas, is now considering mass immigration. (Even ‘gay marriage’ was on the agenda, though recently rejected but who knows in the future…) But it also has a lot of people leaving Taiwan for other nations, esp Anglo-made nations. Now, this seems to make no sense. If Taiwan needs mass immigration for workers, why are so many willing to leave for another nation? The fact that Taiwan has a labor shortage would indicate that there are jobs for Taiwanese. They don’t have to go to another nation to find jobs. But the problem is there are only so many fancy jobs. Not enough fancy jobs to go around for many Taiwanese with fancy college degrees. So, these fancy people without fancy jobs would rather move to another nation to look for fancy jobs. They would rather do white collar work in the West than blue collar work in Taiwan. So, what happens if such becomes long term global pattern? If we use Taiwan as example, it means many Taiwanese will leave to get white collar jobs while more blue collar jobs are filled with third world workers(from poorer Asian and even Muslim nations). So, over time, all elites around the world will become diverse, and all masses will become diverse. As educated people look for white collar jobs all over the world(instead of taking blue collar job at home), white collar jobs all around the world will become diverse. But blue collar jobs will also become diversified because nations will labor shortage will have to import foreigners willing to do blue collar jobs.

    Now, many people in China probably feel the same way, but China has a lot of people. It can lose a bunch of people and still have lots. And as there are lots of poor people without fancy education, China still has a blue collar force.
    But Taiwan is a different story. Same goes for Japan and South Korea. And this pattern is already well-advanced in Germany. There will be diversity of white collar folks and diversity of blue collar folks. The deracinating effect of globalism is to make people identify with status than with race/nation. So, over time, fancy Taiwanese may identify more with fancy peoples of other nations. Meanwhile, the plain Taiwanese will be seen a losers and be told to mix with the losers of other races. So the winners mix together, and losers mix together.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  195. OFWHAP says:
    @Mr. Blank

    You should wish him a “Happy Handsome Thursday” and maybe poast physique while you’re at it.

  196. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @NYCTexan

    This is a very important observation. I believe it goes back long before the Pale of Settlement.

    But even without Jews, elites tend to develop their own self-enclosed world. Colleges breed such elitism because they are designed to be a world apart. A monastic castle for those-who-know-best. Thus, head becomes detached from the body. Academics claim to study the world but do so from a safe distance and on an ivory tower.

    The effect is Zardozian.

    • Replies: @NYCTexan
  197. Evocatus says:
    @J1234

    There were actually two dissenters in Roe v Wade, Byron White and William Rehnquist, both of whom were Protestants; Rehnquist was Lutheran while White was (I think) Episcopalian. The only Catholic on the court then was William Brennan, who was a mainstay of the liberal wing during that era. The Catholic dominance of conservative legal circles appears to be a fairly recent phenomenon.

    I do agree with your point regarding the presence of a tendency towards self-immolation within Anglo-Protestant culture, especially among the Calvinistic types who in years past predominated at schools like Harvard and Yale. The devolution of the New England Puritan from dour Congregationalist to milquetoast Unitarian to armchair radical is an interesting topic.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  198. @Cagey Beast

    I think you’ll find the WASPS were considerably less unpleasant than what will replace them. The ancien regime was bad enough; the Jacobins were worse.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  199. @EH

    The sort of family which has, generally, kept the banner of Wasp talent and probity held high.
    The one you mention’s first cousin was the Episcopal Bishop of Ohio, and looked the part. Unfortunately he held all of the liberal errors common to that elegant sect.

  200. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman wrote to me:

    Yeah Dave, but Mr. Douthat’s column was not particularly about George HW Bush, but about the decline of WASPs as the main elites of society.

    Yeah, but the progressives who got us into this mess during the late-nineteenth to late-twentieth century were overwhelmingly WASPs!! The idea that WASP elites were, by and large, just swell people is just a falsification of history.

    They wrecked this country — TR, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ, and all of their minions, from policy mavens (Acheson, the Dulles’s, et al.) to intellectuals (e.g., John Dewey). American militarism and foreign adventurism, progressive education, the destruction of our monetary and financial system, and all the rest were elite WASP projects.

    Until we face up to that historical fact, it is going to be almost impossible to fix the mess.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  201. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[701] wrote to me:

    So if White people bred themselves out of existence by fully integrating with brown/black people, then we could really get those conspiratorial elites?!

    No, of course not: that is the false dichotomy I am criticizing.

    The problem is not white or non-white: the problem is ruling elites that for over a century were intent on destroying the founding principles of the American Republic.

    If black or Asian elites had done the same thing, we would of course have the same results.

    We need to focus not on skin color but on principles. The WASP ruling elite from the late nineteenth century onward — Republicans and Democrats, liberals and mainstream conservatives, alike — has been dominated by progressive ideology, which is systematically opposed to the founding principles of the Republic: anti-limited government, anti-natural rights, anti-traditional family morality, anti-laissez-faire, anti-isolationism, and all the rest.

    And, we are now reaping the harvest.

    It’s not WASPs or “people of color” that is relevant. It is Jeffersonianism vs. progressivism.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  202. @PhysicistDave

    Dave, what would you call the people who started this country in the first place? Were they not White Anglo-Saxon Protestants? The elites and pretty much most of the country were WASPs until the large bouts of immigration starting in the last 3rd of the 19th century. Sure, lots of people wrecked the country, most of them WASPs, but that’s because they WERE most of the country. I agree with your picks* and could add 100 others without taking my fingers off the keyboard. There are more than that of other WASPs who were libertarians and conservatives and opposed all these Socialists that you listed. Whom would you rather have?

    * I’ll trade you Earl Warren for Truman, though.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @snorlax
  203. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    This is the single best sentence:

    The establishment had always been somewhat permeable to arrivistes, Jews and Catholics imitated WASP habits in the 1940s and 1950s, and in our era their admirable influence is still felt in figures as different as Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

    Definition of arriviste:

    an ambitious or ruthlessly self-seeking person, especially one who has recently acquired wealth or social status.

    This one sentence alone is enough to get the lynch mob foaming at the mouth.

  204. Anonymous[815] • Disclaimer says:

    This topic always triggers Steve’s and others’ ethnic insecurities.

    Of course the whole “how X became white” issue presented by Ignatieff and others is misleading. On the other hand, it’s not completely inaccurate either. Part of the argument by Ignatieff et al is that Jews and other non-WASPs were not perceived to be equal in social status as WASPs and as part of the same in-group, which was true. The fact that Jews and other non-WASPs weren’t perceived to be black and immediately enslaved doesn’t change this fact.

    Now it’s understandable why non-WASPs would want to ignore or downplay this fact. By leveling the historical distinctions between WASPs and non-WASPs, one can assuage any insecurities regarding one’s ethnic pedigree and more closely affiliate with the more prestigious components and pedigrees of American history. There are also contemporary political motives for this leveling. It can mobilize a more cohesive political group around a broader, more generic identity.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Anonymous
  205. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    JASPER:

    Jews, Angles, Saxons, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, (the R is riff-raff, for everybody else).

    If you don’t like Jews you can put in Jutes.

  206. Art Deco says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    Bull. The best time for manual laborers was 1945-1970 which had plenty of mechanization.

    Mean compensation per employee is currently half-again what it was in 1973.

  207. @Anonymous

    The whole “anonymous[xxx] asking countless and often pointless questions” routine has gotten old. Get a handle or knock it off.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  208. @Rosamond Vincy

    Well we’re already well into the post-WASP era, so it’s no longer a matter of wondering what will come after them. In fact, by your measure, wasn’t even Ronald Reagan’s administration a bunch of Untouchables? If Reagan, Alexander Haig, George Schultz or Caspar Weinberger ever came to your home you’d have to break any of the dinnerware they ate from. None of them were WASPs.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Hibernian
  209. @Anonymous

    Thank you Anonymous 815. If you don’t mind me asking, are you related to the Newport 815′s or the Charleston 815′s? I went to Dartmouth with a Robert 815; is he any relation?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  210. Mr. Douhat is obviously correct in his observations. The noblesse oblige of the previous WASP ruling class was far superior to the current, pseudo-”meritocratic” ruling class, and its notion of the USA as one giant feeding trough for the transnational corporate gangster class. Intersectionalist fanatics, who can only see issues through the prism of identity politics, have nothing of substance to contribute to this discussion. Or to any other, for that matter.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  211. @Tiny Duck

    If North Asian men hate white men, it is mostly because we take their best women.

    More of less the same reason that black women hate women of all other races.

  212. NYCTexan says:
    @Anon

    Zardoz is a great film! Lots of redpill nuggets there.

    I do know that the elite in the Middle East have also almost always been Jews or sympathetic. Mohammad’s wife came from a wealthy Jewish family. The Far East was brought into the realm of western commerce by force because wealthy Sephardic Jews demanded it (Look it up; you’ll recognize the names). I honestly think Judaism is today almost exclusively a religion in defense of the rich, and therefor you’d be foolish if you were rich and didn’t call yourself Jewish or a defender of Jews. Contrast that with Christianity. (Maybe Benjamin Disraeli was right and they can’t exist without each other.) This has been going on for a while. Look at the original Magna Carta with its three clauses as pertains to “Jews”. Clearly it regards the mere word as interchangeable with “bank”, and this was in the 12th Century!

    I should have mentioned that all my anecdotal experience of progressive Jews defending finance involved people either benefiting greatly from finance or being very close to those who do. In other words well off and/or connected. Presumably there are Jews who are more working class and don’t have this reflex.

  213. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    What was the evil genius play there? Buy a house in Detroit for $10k and sell it 50 years later for $5k?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  214. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Samuel Skinner

    Your evidence there wasn’t a conspiracy is the fact the media crafted an image specifically designed to be nonthreatening?

    It wasn’t a media-crafted image. It was a black civil rights activist-crafted image. They were smarter about who they invited to their protests than the “Unite The Right” folks were last year.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anonymous
  215. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It’s interesting to compare the kind of new American one got when WASPs set the tone and the kind one gets now, when the Jews set the tone. Sarah Jeong, Cenk Ugyur and Nikhil Singh never got the Americanisation that Sinatra got and the difference shows:

  216. Svigor says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    It would not surprise me if, 4 years from now, he just says “screw it” and begins unapologetically calling for a Falangist revolution and the revival of the Inquisition.

    That’s where brains, honesty, and good intentions lead, yes.

  217. Svigor says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    No, Big Media only showed the good parts because they were on side.

  218. @Cagey Beast

    As someone posted earlier about some other non-Mayflower types, they accepted American traditions and ideals.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  219. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I remember hearing that those big civil rights events of the 1960s all had a fringe criminal element that caused trouble for the communities they passed through, but this never got reported by the newspapers. Similarly, the presence of overt communists with their flags and banners at these events was always censored from the news coverage.

  220. J.Ross says: • Website
    @black sea

    Dave Grohl recently said that we have re-entered the arc of the cycle that brought forth Nirvana, that is, no music has any meaning and everything is very controlled, and the kids are hungry (whether they realize it or not) for one who will come and give meaningful, unapologetic music.
    Of course, the technology now exists to unperson this one who will come, and penalize the Sesame Credit scores of anyone who tries to befan him.

  221. @Hail

    “Douthat exists in an obviously hostile system; but perhaps he feels the ancestral call, after all.”

    Douthat has degenerated. He is a convert to the RCC and a big fan of pope Frannie. He accepts black/Asian priests-popes and really believes the RCC has the answers to our problems. I rarely read his columns because the ones I have read sound like liberal RCC nonsense, although he claims to be a conservative.

    It’s easy for me to criticize his Catholicism because I am a cradle Catholic who left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. The RCC cannot help the West.

    He’s an odd one to be writing for the New York Times, yet he also fits right in with the leftiness of the Times.

    I think that Bush’s death reminded him of a time when he was a WASP. It seems like he had a nice
    childhood and Bush’s death reminded him of when he and his family were not RCC and knew they were the descendants of the founding stock of the USA. They could take pride in that fact. Now, though, he’s a Catholic and has different outlook. I prefer the ways of the WASP.

  222. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman replied to me:

    Dave, what would you call the people who started this country in the first place? Were they not White Anglo-Saxon Protestants? The elites and pretty much most of the country were WASPs until the large bouts of immigration starting in the last 3rd of the 19th century. Sure, lots of people wrecked the country, most of them WASPs, but that’s because they WERE most of the country.

    All quite true. What I’m arguing against is the view that if only we could get the good old WASPs back in charge of this country, things would be fine, and the country’s troubles are due to all those nasty non-WASPs.

    People are not good or bad for America because they are, or are not, WASPs. That is just not the relevant criterion. Thomas Sowell is black: he’s smart and a good guy (and a nice person — I’ve met him personally): I’d take him in a heartbeat as President over Hillary or Elizabeth Warren. On the other hand, I might prefer even Hillary or Warren to Al Sharpton.

    Yes, historically, the founding principles of the Republic were crystallized by white males like John Lilburne (a childhood hero of mine!), Locke, Jefferson, etc. But, principles are not heritable. The greatest destroyers of the American Republic have been elite WASPs.

    Haven’t some of those trying to defend the Republic also been WASPs? Yes, of course (I am most assuredly a WASP!) , but also some Jewish Americans, some black Americans, etc. have been among those defending the Republic against the elite who have wrecked it.

    You know the joke about the Vietnamese girl in an American school who says, “When our forefathers came over on the Mayflower…”?

    I know that the “proposition nation” thing does not work in its rawest form: you cannot just bring in tens of millions of foreigners and hope that their kids imbibe the founding principles of the Republic in the public schools (especially not today’s public schools!).

    But the opposite view, that if only nice, pale, blue-blooded WASPs (I’m one of them — ancestry on my dad’s side goes back to the Mayflower) can be put back in charge, then everything will be fine is equally wrong.

    The fundamental problem with this country is not the loss of nerve by the WASP elite. When the WASP elite still had plenty of nerve, they wrecked the country.

    The biggest problem with the “proposition nation” propaganda is that the people pushing it neither support nor even understand the actual propositions upon which this Republic was founded.

    It’s time for a new beginning, a return to the founding principles of the Republic: as the radical Jeffersonians said, the principles of ’76 and of 1798.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  223. Hibernian says:
    @Evocatus

    “White was (I think) Episcopalian. The only Catholic on the court then was William Brennan…”

    Byron “Whizzer” White was Catholic and a social conservative.

    • Replies: @J1234
  224. Marty T says:
    @Frank G

    He’s as much on the right side as he can be in his position.

  225. Hibernian says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Reagan and Haig were 1/2 and 1/2.

  226. Marty T says:
    @istevefan

    I’m no seeing much thoughtfulness or creativity from the few East Asian writers. Perhaps that’s why Harvard prefers to cap them.

  227. @Anon

    The Puritans did not make this country great. Not getting destroyed in WWI and WWII did.

    What is America without the Puritans? A giant more successful Australia (because of all the continental Europeans) a true settler/pioneer nation without the goofy ass “nation of ideals” crap.

    Also people who live piously are dull and naive and prone to extremism (look what enforced piety does to Muslims).

    Also if Bush’s accent is representative of a New England WASP accent it makes me want to tear my ears out.

  228. @PhysicistDave

    The problem is not white or non-white: the problem is ruling elites that for over a century were intent on destroying the founding principles of the American Republic.

    It’s not WASPs or “people of color” that is relevant. It is Jeffersonianism vs. progressivism.

    Whatever mistakes they had in ideology, RACE does matter to me. My people matter to me more than any “set of principles”. This is what Bob Whitaker called Wordism – putting a set of sacred words before the welfare of your people (which gets derided as “tribalism”).

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  229. @Rosamond Vincy

    As someone posted earlier about some other non-Mayflower types, they accepted American traditions and ideals.

    Please remember that the Mayflower Puritans were NOT the first English in America. That would be Jamestown in Virginia. The Mayflower-worship begin after the Civil War, because it sounded bad for the founding English colony in America to be from the South.

  230. @kaganovitch

    Agreed. Especially, this passage:

    Not only that, but you even end up with an elite that literally uses the same strategy of exclusion that WASPs once used against Jews to preserve its particular definition of diversity from high-achieving Asians — with the only difference being that our elite is more determined to deceive itself about how and why it’s discriminating.

    It’s entirely possible Douthat has been redpilled on this issue and is channelingy Unz’s Myth of American Meritocracy.

    It also doesn’t take too much imagination to see that his criticism of the new, hypocritical, and pseudo-meritocratic “elite” dancing on the graves of the WASPS is mostly referring to Foer’s particular Tribe.

    To even hint at such an implication in the pages of the NYT takes serious balls.

  231. Marty T says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Rizzo was an incredible mayor and a Philly legend.

  232. “a spirit that trained the most privileged children for service, not just success, that sent men like Bush into combat alongside the sons of farmers and mechanics in the same way that it sent missionaries and diplomats abroad in the service of their churches and their country.”

    So then, the question has to be asked: What happened during the ’60′s in Vietnam, when the ultra wealthy by hook or by crook (e.g. deferrments, etc) were determined to avoid the draft and the bulk of the fighting men were from the lower classes? Case in point: How come George W Bush, with his father’s virtues of serving his country right before his eyes, chose to avoid the draft (as well as volunteering for active duty) and chose not to go to Vietnam? If Ross were consistent, he would have to admit that these noble virtues that comprise WASPisity simply vanished, disappeared during the ’60′s, when the ultimate example, serving one’s country in the armed forces, wasn’t comprised of equal numbers from the wealthy classes. What happened between WW2 and Vietnam that caused the children from the top 1% of the Greatest Generation to bail on the timeless virtues that their ancestors had followed for generations?

    I would presume that Ross isn’t going to do a minor riff on this essay when it’s George W Bush’s turn to belong to the ages of history.

  233. @Marty T

    Amen, and Rizzo was pro-law and order when Philly really needed it.

  234. Hail says: • Website
    @Marat Said

    Thanks for this info on the Snow branch. To repeat Anonymous194′s question downthread: What of the other branches?

    His father (Charles) appears to run a website called CharlesDouthat.com.

    From CharlesDouthat.com/bio :

    Charles is the author of Blue for Oceans, a debut collection of poetry. Born in California, he graduated from Stanford University. For the last thirty-five years he’s lived in Connecticut where he practiced trial law. He began writing poetry during a long mid-life illness. Since then his poems have been published in many magazines and journals and featured on Garrison Keillor’s Writer’s Almanac [....]

    One of his photos has him in a Davey Crockett coonskin cap as a boy, implying a late-1940s birth, implying parents born circa the 1910s or early 1920s. Charles’ father, a Douthat, is presumably colonial-stock or at least long nativity in North America; Charles’ mother could be of some indeterminate central or eastern European extraction, from which Ross Douthat may inherit his allegedly non-WASP looks.

    / Speculation over.

    While this risks getting bogged down in the genealogical muck, I would say that based on available evidence, Ross Douthat is ~100% European, and at least 50% ‘WASP’. Ross Douthat’s own ethnocultural self-identity must be, and since childhood must always have been, primarily WASP.

  235. Our new elites are aggressive, obsessively in-group , quite venal and treacherous. Nothing meritocratic about them.

  236. @RichardTaylor

    My point is, WASP values are what count, i.e., the Puritan Work Ethic as opposed to Government Gimme.

  237. dvorak says:
    @Ibound1

    Our new ruling class is becoming “Stalinized”.

    More like Bolshevized. Stalin was a right-wing reaction to the purer, early days of Soviet Russia.

    Someone like Sarah Silverman will tweet pure hatred toward gentiles one day, then the next day she will offer “see what happens when u choose love. I see it in you.”

    If you refuse Jewish Bolshevists’ offer of love, they will declare you insane and grab your guns. A couple of years later the Red Terror starts.

  238. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Jeffy’s second tweet projects at 10 million candlepower the deepest fantasy of many “diverse” people towards whites (“to live and exist separately, in marginalized and diminished circumstances”). The fact that such an approach is suicidal is starting to matter less and less to them as the emotional need for “revenge” takes hold.

    What do you mean by this? What is the fantasy and how is it suicidal?

  239. @Frank G

    If he cribs good ideas isn’t that still good, but just unoriginal?

  240. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Good riddance to the WASP, frankly.

    Please do not use that slur on this board. Use “Anglo-Saxon” instead.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  241. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    In a thread discussing whether Douthat is Anglo-Saxon, is it really pointless to ask, “What portion of his ancestry?”, when someone claims he had an Anglo-Saxon ancestor 400 years ago?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  242. J1234 says:
    @Hibernian

    Yeah, I was sure I had read that White was Catholic, but that was many years ago. I could be wrong. I just read that his funeral was at an Episcopalian church, which may be why Evocatus thought he might be Episcopalian. Lapsed Catholic, possibly. I’d forgotten that Rehnquist had also dissented, so thanks to Evocatus for that correction.

    White was middle of the road on some things, and upheld previous desegregation decisions, but was never a social justice warrior about it. He said that segregation wouldn’t fly in a public context, but (as I understand it) didn’t want that to apply to private clubs and associations. He lost on the latter issue, and I wonder if those losses ever made him second guess his prior stance on the former issue.

  243. snorlax says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    British and Irish people are so similar genetically that DNA tests can’t distinguish between them. The original settlers of both islands were from the same genetic stock and there’s been large-scale migration in both directions ever since.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Neil Templeton
  244. snorlax says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (And @Anon[427])

    Were they not White Anglo-Saxon Protestants?

    No,* because the “W” is for Wealthy. “White” would of course be redundant.

    *Technically, yes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  245. snorlax says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Many Jews (Charles Kushner, for example) made megabux by investing in Manhattan real estate at the bottom of the market. But, the best-known and most successful of those investors is not a MoT.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  246. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax

    British and Irish people are so similar genetically that DNA tests can’t distinguish between them. The original settlers of both islands were from the same genetic stock and there’s been large-scale migration in both directions ever since.

    Then why are the British so much more law abiding and high trust?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  247. Lagertha says:

    Douthat is such a nerdo-weirdo: he is bizarrely fixated on Sperry’s Topsiders! haha – never thought I would see “boat shoes” noted in a supposed, news article! He has always been so annoying, such a jerk, yet, he yearns for the days that he could have run with the cool kids with this really weird piece; about Bush or something!?

    I really hate adults (white) like this…I don’t care if they are Wasps, Wascs, or Jews….just realize that HS is over (I mean, it is waaaaay over), and it is no longer about getting even with the football players, the cool stoners, the skate kids, the surfers, the hunters, the cheerleaders who rebuffed you – move on; move on, for God’s sake!

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  248. Actually White Protestants were the most meritocratic rulers. That’s why Ron Unz wrote The Myth of American Meritocracy. Did anybody else read it? It’s interesting, a meritocracy is the only type of civilization where White Protestants have a chance. They being the world’s most individualistic people, really don’t do well in group based societies. The world lost something special and unique when people of that background became a minority in 2015. They were in the majority since the founding. America will never be the same. We will never again be the hope of the world.

  249. @snorlax

    Whatever. My people left those shitholes long ago. To come to America.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  250. @Anon

    Good stuff, 425. Tags: Priss, Factor, head, body, elites, masses, servants.

    Here’s a different Pris:

  251. @The real Buddy Ray

    Mr. Unz is correct. White folk don’t regenerate in shade. But we do make for a deep, dark bottom’s worth of stacked up deadwood.

  252. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @snorlax

    But they didn’t crater the market by advocating for civil rights. They didn’t do anything to crater the market. The market bottomed in the ’70s due to high crime in part due to a corrupt police force (the subject of the movie Serpico), the worst bear market in stocks in decades, and NYC’s financial crisis.

  253. @RichardTaylor

    RichardTaylor wrote to me:

    Whatever mistakes they had in ideology, RACE does matter to me. My people matter to me more than any “set of principles”.

    So… you really would rather have Elizabeth Warren as President than Thomas Sowell? I finf that… eccentric.

    RichardTaylor also wrote:

    This is what Bob Whitaker called Wordism – putting a set of sacred words before the welfare of your people (which gets derided as “tribalism”).

    So, it is “Wordism” to get rid of progressive “educators” that only propagandize rather than educate? Or to end the ruling elite’s constant military adventures abroad? Or to fix the unstable financial and monetary system that our (white) progressive overlords created a century ago?

    No — that is not Wordism: it is lookling at reality.

    On the other hand, your belief that G. H. W. Bush is one of “your people” just because his and your ancestors came from England a very long time ago (as did mine)… now that is “Wordism.” You may think the white elite is “your people,” but they do not think that way about you. They think you are “deplorable.”

    Racial or ethnic loyalty to people who hate your guts and who have done what they can to destroy our country is simply a bizarre kind of fetishism.

    Yes, let us by all means concern ouorselves with the “welfare of our people,” but let us remember that “our people” are the decent and productive citizens of the United States of America of all races, not the members of a parasitic ruling elite who happen to have had common ancestors with ourselves a very, very, very long time ago (so long ago, that they would really rather just forget about it!).

  254. @Anon

    Anon[425] wrote:

    Btw, the new elite WAS more meritocratic.

    The problem with meritocracy is the “-cracy” part which means “rule” (Wikipedia says the Greek root means literally “strength” or “power”).

    Apologists for meritocracy want those who show “merit” (by some approved criterion, of course!) to rule over all the rest of us, i.e., all of us “deplorables.”

    I was recently reading a book on the ideas behind the Declaration; the author shows that in the early Republic, the term “self-government” referred to each person’s government of himself.:

    In the earliest dictionaries of American English, the definition of self-government was not political, but reflected the same personal quality expressed [in a book by a Pennsylvania patriot, William] Findley–it was the “government of one’s self.” This remained true as late as 1959 when the Merriam-Webster dictionary defined self-government as “Self-control; self-command,” and self-control meant simply, “control of one’s self.”

    If you are debating who should rule over you, you are no longer free. Free men and women rule over themselves through their own sense of integrity and personal repsonsibility and as a result of their voluntary interactions with their fellow citizens. The only legitimate purpose of government is to deal with those adults who are incapable of governing themselves and who therefore can only be governed by force.

    When we ask whether we should be ruled by the elite or by the people, by members of our own race or by a multiracial majority, we have already surrendered on the most important point: we have conceded that we are not willing to fight for a country — the country that America once was — in which each adult is expected to govern himself.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  255. @Lagertha

    Lagertha wrote:

    I really hate adults (white) like this…I don’t care if they are Wasps, Wascs, or Jews….just realize that HS is over (I mean, it is waaaaay over), and it is no longer about getting even with the football players, the cool stoners, the skate kids, the surfers, the hunters, the cheerleaders who rebuffed you – move on; move on, for God’s sake!

    Have you read Douthat’s book describing his experiences at Harvard — Privilege: Harvard and the Education of the Ruling Class? As Douthat tells it, the Harvard students were less mature than the average kids at my high school. And, they think they should be ruling us!

    (My youngest brother is a Harvard grad: what I know from him does confirm Douthat’s picture.)

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  256. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @J1234

    Sorry about your loss.

    • Replies: @J1234
  257. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The Chinese are not content with blue collar jobs. The kids work like mad to compete in acceptance into a college so they don’t have to do a blue collar job and some even commit suicide if they don’t get in.

    • Replies: @Anon
  258. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neil Templeton

    The British isles were never [email protected], not in the modern Trumpian meaning of the word. The people there were brighter, more talented and capable than the people of places like Sub Saharan Africa.

  259. John Galt says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Not really true unless you just mean upper class coastal elite anglo’s. Whites in the south are still mostly anglo-saxon and highly right wing. If we lump in the Scots-Irish too, then also Appalachia. This would only apply to the coastal WASP elite, who are small in number in 2018.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  260. @PhysicistDave

    It’s time for a new beginning, a return to the founding principles of the Republic: as the radical Jeffersonians said, the principles of ’76 and of 1798.

    I’ve got no arguement with any of that (whole comment). Don’t you mean 1789?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  261. @snorlax

    You are right. It’d be redundant. I stand corrected. Thanks, Snorlax.

  262. @Anonymous

    No, the French already misuse “Anglo-Saxon” to mean the Wall Street / City of London axis and I’m not going to repeat that sloppy thinking in English. To me, “WASP” refers to the haute bourgeois offspring of America’s Roundheads. It refers to most of the people who make up what Ezra Pound called “Yankee Judea”. That’s what “WASP” means to me.

  263. Their more meritocratic, diverse and secular successors

    Why even read a column that begins with such a blatant lie?

    Our rulers are neither diverse nor meritocratic.

  264. @Anonymous

    Because the Irish were grossly misgoverned and therefore did not develop the Hobbit-like civic spirit you imagine the English have. If DNA is the key to such things, why where Ulster Protestants so militant and violent in the 20th century, when their literal cousins in Canada and New Zealand were so pacific? For that matter, why were 20th century Canadian Orangemen so orderly when their 19th century forefathers were so violent? Why did Irish Catholics fit in well in Canada but became a problematic lumpen-proletariat in several American cities? DNA won’t answer these questions but noting the different political cultures will.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  265. @Anonymous

    WAIDAMINNIT

    Yes, I remembered correctly: Steve wrote about David Brooks practically going there in 2012.

    The corruption that has now crept into the world of finance and the other professions is not endemic to meritocracy but to the specific culture of our meritocracy. The problem is that today’s meritocratic elites cannot admit to themselves that they are elites.

    Everybody thinks they are countercultural rebels, insurgents against the true establishment, which is always somewhere else. This attitude prevails in the Ivy League, in the corporate boardrooms and even at television studios where hosts from Harvard, Stanford and Brown rail against the establishment.

    As a result, today’s elite lacks the self-conscious leadership ethos that the racist, sexist and anti-Semitic old boys’ network did possess. If you went to Groton a century ago, you knew you were privileged. You were taught how morally precarious privilege was and how much responsibility it entailed. You were housed in a spartan 6-foot-by-9-foot cubicle to prepare you for the rigors of leadership.

    The best of the WASP elites had a stewardship mentality, that they were temporary caretakers of institutions that would span generations. They cruelly ostracized people who did not live up to their codes of gentlemanly conduct and scrupulosity. They were insular and struggled with intimacy, but they did believe in restraint, reticence and service.

    Today’s elite is more talented and open but lacks a self-conscious leadership code. The language of meritocracy (how to succeed) has eclipsed the language of morality (how to be virtuous). Wall Street firms, for example, now hire on the basis of youth and brains, not experience and character. Most of their problems can be traced to this.

    Of course, David Brooks is Jewish himself, and subtler than Douthat, so nobody called for his scalp.

    Scott Greer has the howler monkeys after him on Twitter for pointing out that WASPs founded the place. The two angriest groups are, of course, Jews and WASPs. Nobody fears and loathes WASPs more than Jews and of course nobody can virtue-signal harder than WASPs.

    Expect more of this dynamic as our bright, non-WASP future continues to fall short of its billing. (“Systemic racism!” “Wreckers!” “Dead-enders with their guns and religion!”)

    It’s kind of sad reading Douthat. What he really wants, what most political commentators want, consciously or unconsciously, is a return to 88% white (and substantially over 50% WASP) America.*

    * – People like to claim that the US is mostly German. This is based on a survey where the largest plurality self-identified as “American,” with the next largest plurality self-identifying as “German.” The US truly is Albion’s Seed, though not for much longer.

  266. @The real Buddy Ray

    Somebody here, I think it was Lagertha, said we’re hothouse flowers. Happy Acres on Twitter is married to a Chinese (no, he’s not actually John Derbyshire) and his wife says the same thing about us.

    I’m in regular touch with Christian Middle Easterners. They’re struck by our individualism (and atomization) and optimistic drive. When WASPs get it in their heads they’re going to do something, they organize like nobody’s business and don’t stop until it’s done. Of course, this is also why they’ve ridden noblesse oblige and philanthropy right up their asses into pathological altruism.

    The light of the world is dimming, and the blood of Numenor is all but spent, but don’t count the WASPs out. A lot of them are still having children and the ones who emerge at the other end will be hell on wheels.

  267. @PhysicistDave

    The US is way, way too populous to allow for individual self-rule. When the frontier was still open and there was no welfare state and you either made it or died in a ditch, then there was still lots of space for individual self-rule. A country of 320M people will never be remotely libertarian. The Second Amendment is the last vestige of frontier-capitalist America.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  268. @Marty T

    He handled the Black Panthers beautifully–certainly better than Wilson Goode handled MOVE–but everyone knew the Mob was running things.

    OTOH, that would still be preferable to Philly’s situation now.

  269. asian women only go for guys with money or those with good jobs all colored women think this way, so the jokes on you, you dont see any asian women except for unfortunate hoes with cops firemen or blue collar types do you

  270. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese are not content with blue collar jobs.

    Culturally that is correct. Chinese are Confucianists.

    But there are still so many people in China that blue collar jobs are still prized.

    Also, as China is ruled by Communist Party, it has to honor labor.

  271. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    What this guy really misses is America, his country as it used to be before it morphed into this unbearable sh**hole. I miss it too. Grief over loss is natural but you get used to it and move on.

    “Sort of like how minstrel shows and blackface are bad, but Stephen Colbert is ok.”

    Jimmy Kimmel once did a blackface routine. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t want to host the Oscars. I’d be a real shame if someone brought that up and then wrote a column for Variety telling people he wasn’t right for the job.

  272. @Anonymous

    What did you mean by “pointless”? How would you define “ancestry? Can you prove 2+2 is 4?

    This game is fun.

  273. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Why did Irish Catholics fit in well in Canada but became a problematic lumpen-proletariat in several American cities?

    They weren’t a problematic lumpenproletariat.

  274. @John Galt

    Whites in the south are also very influenced by the French genetically and culturally.

    Appalachia/the upper South is probably more truly Anglo Saxon than the Deep South. The upper classes especially. Upper classes of the Deep South are Frenchified whether they realize it or not. Also the upper class of the Deep South is fairly Catholic and even a little Irish historically. Look at Margaret Mitchell’s family.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  275. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman wrote to me:

    I’ve got no arguement with any of that (whole comment).

    Thanks. I know that sometimes I sound as if I am belligerently disagreeing when I am really just trying to elaborate on others’ points.

    AEN asked:

    Don’t you mean 1789?

    No: the Jeffersonians referred to the “Spirit of ’98,” meaning the opposition to the Alien and Sedition Acts and in general to Federalist overreach in expanding the powers of the central government and infringing upon individual rights: the “Revolution of 1800″ (i.e., Jefferson’s defeat of Adams) was considered a vindication of the Spirit of ’98. Here, for example, is a brief discussion of the historiography on the subject.

  276. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Anti-Gnostic wrote to me:

    The US is way, way too populous to allow for individual self-rule. When the frontier was still open and there was no welfare state and you either made it or died in a ditch, then there was still lots of space for individual self-rule.

    At the time of the Founding, only a tiny fraction of Americans lived on the frontier. The really populous areas were on the East Coast and were long settled: the time-scale was comparable to California today vs. Califronia in the Gold Rush days.

    I know we tend to collapse the past: didn’t Jefferson live at about the same time as Pocahontas? No: that is about as ahistorical as assuming that we live in the time of Jefferson!

    The Founders assumed that individual human beings living in populous long-established communities actually could take responsibility for themselves, their families, and their neighbors, without on overweening central government. And, by and large, they actually did.

    AG also wrote:

    A country of 320M people will never be remotely libertarian.

    An excellent point and a good reason for secession, devolution, and abolition of the central government/imperial capital.

    For thousands of years, political theorists took as given that free and responsible government could only exist at a human scale. Seems they were right.

  277. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    This topic always triggers Steve’s and others’ ethnic insecurities.

    Why? As a non-American, looks to me like they won that round.

    Now it’s understandable why non-WASPs would want to ignore or downplay this fact.

    Not my impression. Many non-WASPs outside these blogs love to play up the fact. Steve and the commenters simply occasionally poke fun at that.

    There are also contemporary political motives for this leveling. It can mobilize a more cohesive political group around a broader, more generic identity.

    Whatever helps. But if people still need that kind of leveling to present a united front, and being in the middle of losing their country isn’t motivation enough all on its own, then it’s too late already.

  278. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    “if people still need that kind of leveling to present a united front, and being in the middle of losing their country isn’t motivation enough all on its own, then it’s too late already.”

    It’s too late. Humans have proved both in China and in the United States that they value personal economic prosperity above nebulous concepts such as “freedom.” The Ruling Class has now realized that as well, so all pretenses are off and they are busy deplatforming all around. And the signs have been there for a long time now. The imperial president has exercised illegal powers to attack other countries at will without the mandated congressional approval and both the congress and the public hasn’t done anything about it. Imagine a thief in a country store. There are no cameras and no security. At first, a thief may not steal but a couple of things for fear of being found out. But after they do it successfully a few times, they get bolder and bolder until they are stealing in broad daylight in front of the customers. That’s the Ruling Class creep. They’ve realized they have the power to silence dissidents and the masses have shown they do not care because 1) they are too lazy or ignorant 2) freedom wrongthinker.

  279. @S. Anonyia

    There’s a passage in GWTW in which the Yankee officers’ wives simultaneously insult Uncle Peter by saying they don’t want black servants and insult Scarlett by saying they do want Irish ones.

  280. J1234 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sorry about your loss.

    Thanks Dave.

  281. Lagertha says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Yah, I know. I have no respect for Ivy League/Elite U grads today, or decades ago, or pompous-ass Baby Boomers. The Elite Uni’s have all become cheerleaders for Cultural Marxism (the students are feckless, avaricious dolts), and, an eventual Totalitarian government run by decadent Progressives. There are no longer students like me (Independent; lean Conservative) at my Elite Uni campus – or, they are too afraid to voice their opinion (I know this for a fact).

    My point is that Douthat has been a complete apologist for this movement of conformism and censorship – he would not be able to publish a book today, which criticizes the future Harvard ruling class. His transformation since Trump is truly awful and sleazy. He is not a Conservative; he’s a hypocrite who knows he is bullshitting himself I really despise men (and women, and trans :) ) like that….the kind that obsess over Topsiders…the pettiness, the victimhood, the superciliousness, the hypocrisy.

    Elite Uni grads destroyed the economy (Wall Street griftopia) in 2007…and they’re right back to ripping everyone off and destroying what is left of the Middle Class. I also blame the opioid crisis on them as well – just drug company owners & executives wanting to euthanize the Midwesterners whose jobs were outsourced to China (that way, they can hide their guilt)…you know, get rid of the problem Americans.

    The pettiness of Progressives, especially, is very much like HS – they demand fairness and seek revenge decades later on people they want to label privileged, constantly…the people who were smarter, prettier (or, just pretty, or blonde), funnier, richer, kinder, more worldly.

    The morbid obsessions of people (Progressives and Never Trumpers) who promote Marxism/a neo-Totalitarianism (Technocracy/Plutocracy), goes right back to their shitty childhoods and teen years. Envy is the strongest motivator to blather-on about the demise of the so-called Wasps. It’s as if they feel guilty yet apprehensive, about vanquishing the HS Wasps they’ve obsessed about for decades. Bush’s funeral was not watchable (listening to all the phony talking heads) for me in more ways than one, for instance. Most people did not like Bush, especially Democrats.

    Someday, as Dystopia approaches, everyone is gonna miss the good ole’ Wasps/Wascs who truly sacrificed for God and Country – no other Americans will ever be as patriotic; it’ll just be a Malthusian nightmare. Whew, that was long and unnecessary!

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