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From Eidolon, the woke classics online periodical run by Mark Zuckerberg’s sister Donna:

What Would James Baldwin Do?Screenshot 2017-08-24 16.16.12
Classics and the Dream of White Europe
Denise Eileen McCoskey
Aug 24

Denise Eileen McCoskey is a Professor of Classics and affiliate of Black World Studies at Miami University (Ohio). She is the author of Race: Antiquity & Its Legacy, and past recipient of the John J. Winkler Memorial Prize. In 2009, she won the American Philological Association Award for Excellence in Teaching at the College Level.

… In “Stranger in the Village,” Baldwin pointed out the sheer futility of the nostalgia residing at the heart of white supremacy, noting that “No road whatever will lead Americans back to the simplicity of this European village where white men still have the luxury of looking on me as a stranger.” He concluded even more powerfully: “This world is white no longer, and it will never be white again.” Our goal, as classicists, should surely be to finish the dissembling of this dangerously misguided dream of white Europe. To join hands with Baldwin and add: it was never white in the first place. [Emphasis mine]

Despite Professor McCoskey’s award-winning Excellence in Philology, she made an amusing Freudian slip in her verb choice, thinking “dissembling” is a synonym for “deconstructing” instead of an open admission of the intentions and methods of Eidolon. From Choose Your Words on disassemble vs. dissemble:

Disassemble is to take something apart, like an old car motor, but dissemble is sneaky — it means to hide your true self, like the guy who said he was a mechanic but had never actually seen a motor, much less put one back together.

That’s some fine editing, Dr. Zuckerberg.

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  1. Hardcore trolling.

    One somehow feels like a Palestinian watching jewish goons burn down your olive trees, while IDF looks on.

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  2. the smart play is to accuse Zuckerberg of intentionally altering McCoskey’s piece to make her look bad.

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  3. Thank God nobody reads that shit.

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    • Replies: @JerryC
    One does wonder how a "woke classics online periodical" is funded. Surely not through ad sales.
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  4. Cultural Appropriation: Making “Classics” a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” Instead of simple purging “Dead Whitemales” from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, “We was Kangz! Now and forever!” We’ve been bowing down ever since…

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they’ve got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited “whitemales” of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

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    • Agree: Thea, Kevin C.
    • Disagree: Abe
    • Replies: @anonymous

    Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out.
     
    No, it's not. If you think the game is up because of 40 years of massive, demographic-altering immigration and having cultural marxists poison the educational system, then you don't have what it takes to save our culture.

    A couple of items to recall from many throughout history:

    1) The Spanish had to fight for 700 years before they liberated their entire nation. Seven hundred years!! The entire history of British America barely goes back 400 years.

    2) Seventy plus years of marxist thought-policing in Russia took its toll. But we are now seeing green shoots of Christianity and relatively healthy attitudes concerning human behavior vis-a-vis the West. Are they out of the woods yet? No, but I doubt people from the 1970s would have envisioned what has happened.

    Things change. History is rarely a straight line. So long as you have the ability to resist, resist.

    People reading this blog probably won't see it, but we owe the future generations a fighting chance. Reducing the problem, or at the least throttling it back, will benefit greatly those to follow.
    , @Rod1963
    I remember back in the early 80's when blacks were trying to claim they were ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Jesus, etc.

    It was crap then and it's crap now.

    The fact we have a rich barren Maoist b***h promoting similar crap doesn't make it right. It just makes her a enemy of mankind.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.
     
    It is never too late. But the Zuck clan is in your debt for being a sapper.

    If you are actually on our side, cowboy up. You don't win by conceding defeat before the contest is joined.
    , @Anon
    This is why I wear a Joan of Arc medal on my dog tags even though I've not been a soldier or a catholic for decades. Her courage to say a saintly "fuck you" in the face of total defeat is inspiring to me. She was an 18 year old French girl born in a nation in many ways as far gone as we are now. Did she just eloi out of it, and write it off as lost? No. I'm asking you to be 1% as brave as an 18 year old French farm girl. Can you manage that? Because everything depends on it.
    , @Lot
    Ohio has a GOP governor and huge GOP majority in the state leg and supreme court. These professors who spend their entire careers, day in and day out, hating and propagandizing against white Americans should be defunded as agenda item #1 in state legislatures.

    Tenure should be abolished in the humanities, psychology, education, journalism, law, and political science and all teaching of these classes be done on one year contracts approved by a board appointed by the governor, with an exception for fully endowed positions. These areas would go from hotbeds of far left activism generously employing 1000+ liberal democrats into a rich source of patronage for the governor plus hundreds of conservative intellectuals moving into the state to take their place.

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has "affirmative action" in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it. If the state legislature will not end this discrimination against white and asian Ohioans, the people should do so either by a ballot initiative or a case in its state courts stating the policy violates the state constitution. I don't think any member of the elected state supreme court would vote in favor of keeping AA.

    , @Olorin

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.
     
    The words either of a shill or someone who doesn't believe his own words.

    The latter I suspect:

    If you really believed it, you wouldn't be here. You'd be, I dunno, on some doomstead in NZ.
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  5. And after all the lies and the double talk… 1976 from back when American ran trade surpluses.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    That was before the "new" Greenspan who discovered Keynesianism, and his even worse mutant quantitative cancer offspring. Good times.
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  6. “Despite Professor McCloskey’s award-winning…”

    Steve – you had your own Freudian typo in there – confusing Denise McCoskey with, presumably, Deirdre McCloskey – and also an ironic one, in that you’re discussing ‘dissembling’ as in a man pretending to be a mechanic so you subconsciously pulled up a name of a man pretending to be a woman.

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  7. The big question is ” How long will white men continue to fund this crap?”

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    • Replies: @Rod
    "white men"

    You seem to have misplaced these: ((( )))
    , @TheBoom
    White males will continue to fund it until there are no more white males. This is a version of capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them with.
    , @Realist
    The stupidity of some whites is boundless.
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  8. Eileen McCoskey, professor of classics and affiliate in black world studies. They are handing out PhD s in “we wuz kangz” now.

    We need to make student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy. No government subsidies either, the schools should be on the hook for every penny. All these ridiculous departments would be shut down in a few years.

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  9. But, Africa was, is, and always will be black.

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    • Replies: @RDG
    And Was, IS and always will be a failed continent where starvation and mud huts are the norm. We abandoned the effort to bring them into the 18th century sometime in the 20th century. A race that never invented written language, the wheel or anything else. but "we was kangs." Screw them forever.
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  10. an amusing Freudian slip in her verb choice

    Two to one it was an intentional double entendre.

    Nothing over-educated UMC women like more than wordplay and LARPing as subversives.

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    over-educated UMC women
     
    Speaking of dissembling, the reason Mr. Sailer didn't give this class its proper billing in his class war essay is because he can't insult too many potentially sympathetic readers' wives right out of the gate.

    Just kidding...
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  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Satire is dead. Antifa has killed it.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

    Far-right activists are using fake Twitter accounts and images of battered women to smear anti-fascist groups in the US, an online investigation has revealed.

    The online campaign is using fake Antifa (an umbrella term for anti-fascist protestors) Twitter accounts to claim anti-fascists promote physically abusing women who support US President Donald Trump or white supremacy.

    … Researcher Eliot Higgins of website Bellingcat found evidence that the campaign is being orchestrated on internet messageboard 4Chan by far-right sympathisers.

    Of course, the only reason this is a “smear campaign” and not merely satire is because Antifa’s actual actions and rhetoric are so similar.

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    Bellingcat
     
    Why is the propraganda outlet for Neocon Revelations On Ukraine being used for this?
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  12. Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.

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    • Replies: @David
    I hate to suggest watching one of her documentaries but starting at the time of this link and for the next eight or ten minutes, Mary Beard dissembles the idea that the ancient city of Rome had any racial continuity at all. It shows that what Taleb was objecting to wasn't a one-off.

    https://youtu.be/SjJDoix0HaM?t=581

    , @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Because no non-white set foot in Britain til ca.1600's or so. And even if one did, this professor is building a false narrative that United Colors of Benetton always existed in Europe pre-colonial era. It's not like this tactic is working: "Ok guys, let's make the non-whites feel good and tell them that blacks always existed in Europe for thousands of yrs. That way more of them will want to take these classics classes and maybe even some might go on to major in them." There was a professor some yrs ago who deconstructed the whole "Black Athena" thing, now it has to be done again, only this time in Britain? Seriously?

    You'd think that "safe spaces" could also apply to classical studies. And classical history is about as SWPL as one can get. Literally.

    , @Anon
    Roman elites put a lot of emphasis on being from good Roman families, and that means you didn't marry anyone lower class. The Roman Empire itself was mainly a pan-Mediterranean patchwork of various white cultures. Even in North Africa, the people were mainly white Berbers and white proto-Arabs. Actual black-blacks were not that common, and were mostly found in Egypt as servants and slaves.
    , @anon
    Something is seriously wrong with the British psyche. And they ARE the indigenous population of Britain too. Imagine the Cherokees or Cree saying that 2,000 years ago their tribes contained great numbers of whites.......
    , @Frau Katze
    I don't see a response to that tweet by Nassim Taleb. Link?
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  13. To consider James Baldwin a stranger in the village may not be nice but it’s not supremacy. Words are misused because their meaning is being dissembled…I mean, disassembled.

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  14. @Anon
    Thank God nobody reads that shit.

    One does wonder how a “woke classics online periodical” is funded. Surely not through ad sales.

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    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Did you miss that part about "Zuckerberg"?
    , @John Pepple
    An online periodical is cheap to run since it's nothing but a website. It's the old-fashioned ones with actual paper that are expensive.
    , @AndrewR
    When your brother is the world's richest person under 40, a few grand a year to run some shitty SJW blog probably isnt a big deal.
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  15. > So, as classicists, let’s make it a priority to state clearly and repeatedly: if Europe was a world in which black men did not exist, it was a world in which white men did not exist either.

    Got that, everyone? Because ancient & medieval Europeans for the most part did not even know that black people existed, race is not a valid construct.

    On the other hand, we could say that medieval Europeans merely inhabited their whiteness. To do otherwise was not possible. To make an analogy – medieval Europeans also did not think of themselves as “farmers” as opposed to “hunter-gatherers” – the concept of a non-agricultural society was equally alien to them! And yet, this does not mean that hunter-gatherer vs agriculturalist is not a meaningful distinction; nor does it mean that medieval Europeans were “not really” agricultural.

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  16. The world was never white…just the best parts.

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  17. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out.

    No, it’s not. If you think the game is up because of 40 years of massive, demographic-altering immigration and having cultural marxists poison the educational system, then you don’t have what it takes to save our culture.

    A couple of items to recall from many throughout history:

    1) The Spanish had to fight for 700 years before they liberated their entire nation. Seven hundred years!! The entire history of British America barely goes back 400 years.

    2) Seventy plus years of marxist thought-policing in Russia took its toll. But we are now seeing green shoots of Christianity and relatively healthy attitudes concerning human behavior vis-a-vis the West. Are they out of the woods yet? No, but I doubt people from the 1970s would have envisioned what has happened.

    Things change. History is rarely a straight line. So long as you have the ability to resist, resist.

    People reading this blog probably won’t see it, but we owe the future generations a fighting chance. Reducing the problem, or at the least throttling it back, will benefit greatly those to follow.

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    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Excellent point.
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  18. @Desiderius

    an amusing Freudian slip in her verb choice
     
    Two to one it was an intentional double entendre.

    Nothing over-educated UMC women like more than wordplay and LARPing as subversives.

    over-educated UMC women

    Speaking of dissembling, the reason Mr. Sailer didn’t give this class its proper billing in his class war essay is because he can’t insult too many potentially sympathetic readers’ wives right out of the gate.

    Just kidding…

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  19. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    I remember back in the early 80′s when blacks were trying to claim they were ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Jesus, etc.

    It was crap then and it’s crap now.

    The fact we have a rich barren Maoist b***h promoting similar crap doesn’t make it right. It just makes her a enemy of mankind.

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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT NYT: I know without even clicking on the story that it’s in the running for sailerbait of the year:

    Why is the Southern Poverty Law Center Targeting Liberals?

    I’m also really curious to see how they massaged the numbers to the article about how blacks are more underrepresented at top universities than in 1980.

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    I don't think they'd have needed to massage the #'s. They had affirmative action back in 1980 just as aggressively as they do today. And since, as we all know, there's been little actual improvement in "the gap" over time, it stands to reason that representation would be about the same for blacks today as then. It's worse now for Hispanics undoubtedly due to the huge #'s of unskilled that have come in since then.

    The premise behind the headline is bizarre though - as if affirmative action has some accumulative effect. It's just a quota applied to each class as it comes along- there's nothing about "35 years of affirmative action" that should result in greater representation over time.
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  21. @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    I hate to suggest watching one of her documentaries but starting at the time of this link and for the next eight or ten minutes, Mary Beard dissembles the idea that the ancient city of Rome had any racial continuity at all. It shows that what Taleb was objecting to wasn’t a one-off.

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    • Replies: @Cortes
    That'll be Winifred Mary Beard/Baird?

    Prolly, as Ignatius J Reilly might have put it.

    No misdirection, of course.

    What's in a name?

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Looks like she's in a mid-sneeze position.
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  22. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.

    It is never too late. But the Zuck clan is in your debt for being a sapper.

    If you are actually on our side, cowboy up. You don’t win by conceding defeat before the contest is joined.

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    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I'm certainly ready to "cowboy up" but I don't really see what the objective of the battle could be. If being an ethnic minority is considered final loss, then we've already lost. Two choices: Ruthless ethnic cleansing of the territory, by force or by bribe or Flight from the territory as so many Americans have done before. As both the Colonies and the Frontier, when Americans (and future Americans) considered it impossible to create and steward a community for them and their posterity, they up and left. Were they cowards for not fighting to mandate their peculiar culture on a dominant majority population? No the Pilgrims, Mormons, etc all just picked up and left. That's the American way. The colonists didn't try to change the Crown or Great Britain. No, they declared independence and tried to make their own show. Even the admirable independent spirit of the southern states knew they couldn't persuade and win against their regional rivals in the north, so they embraced the same spirit of independence and breaking away that has been the common thread throughout American history.

    A European friend used to joke, "American's don't solve problems; they leave them behind." While he didn't quite mean it out of admiration, I've come to appreciate and admire that revolutionary spirit of not being tied down to dumpster fires. Sometimes it's not worth fighting and it's better off building anew. Perhaps the paranoia and depression and self-pity so common to our situation can be transformed into something optimistic and constructive. Rather than battling old windmills like silly Don Quixote by trying to reconquer the news & entertainment media, academia, the courts, the SJW corporations, it might be easier to retreat to a peaceful hospitable community where one can focus on prospering, flourishing and making babies. Rod Dreher alludes to this fantasy with his Benedict Option. Even if the fantasy of potential perfection tempts, eventually one will have to work, defend and preserve the imperfect mortal reality. So it might be ending up back at the same situation: Fight and Preserve / or / Flee and Reinvent.

    , @BenKenobi
    They danced on our collective graves while we were still alive, hence the election of President Trump.

    They consider their victory inevitable and immortal and the war has scarcely begun.

    Hell, we have scarcely begun to fight.

    It's gonna get ugly.
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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Pretty much everything that rolls from a liberal’s mouth about society is idiotic. Yes let’s tear down the most prosperous, most free, most productive, least corrupt, most fair societies the world has ever known. Brilliant.

    Just like their discussion of ‘white privilege’. The definition they use seems to be anything that a white person has that’s in a more beneficial state than blacks. No consideration for how or why that is the case. Perhaps little Jimmy studies hard for tests and get good grades, and little Tyrone spends his after school time playing hoops and gets poor grades, well, that’s white privilege. If little Jimmy inherits a bright mind from his dad, well, that’s white privilege too, and he needs to apologize and give up everything he ever makes or owns to blacks to atone for it.

    Sheer stupidity. We should have a society that rewards the winners. Whether someone gets ahead from hard work, a high IQ, a knack for developing new skills, being a persuasive talker, a better attention span, hell, even possessing 20/10 vision that lets them more clearly see what the teacher is scribbling on the chalkboard- we as a society should want more of that in the next generation, not condemn them and reward the losers. Its idiotic.

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    Pretty much everything that rolls from a liberal’s mouth about society is idiotic.
     
    Idiotic is cursorily inaccurate. More like showing signs of some kind of rapidly advancing Alzheimer's.
    , @Samuel Skinner
    It isn't idiotic. You are assuming for the left words actually have meaning. If the goal is to handicap their opponents, then lying and engaging in rampant hypocrisy is the winning strategy which is exactly what they do.
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  24. I will translate here.
    You have two lazy white women in Palo Alto who are “culturally appropriating” James Baldwin. Who, lets give this gay man (liked to live in Europe) credit for speaking out in the 1950s when there was repression and doxxing done on homos- commies. Of course *doxxing* is the other way now.

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    James Baldwin has a strange attraction for ugly white women. My guess is that he has the negro-philiac appeal of being 'exotic', but the homosexuality makes him non-threatening.

    Here's a guardian article about a self-hating American woman who moved to Istanbul because of him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/unlearning-the-myth-of-american-innocence
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  25. @Anonymous
    OT NYT: I know without even clicking on the story that it's in the running for sailerbait of the year:

    Why is the Southern Poverty Law Center Targeting Liberals?
     
    I'm also really curious to see how they massaged the numbers to the article about how blacks are more underrepresented at top universities than in 1980.

    I don’t think they’d have needed to massage the #’s. They had affirmative action back in 1980 just as aggressively as they do today. And since, as we all know, there’s been little actual improvement in “the gap” over time, it stands to reason that representation would be about the same for blacks today as then. It’s worse now for Hispanics undoubtedly due to the huge #’s of unskilled that have come in since then.

    The premise behind the headline is bizarre though – as if affirmative action has some accumulative effect. It’s just a quota applied to each class as it comes along- there’s nothing about “35 years of affirmative action” that should result in greater representation over time.

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  26. @David
    I hate to suggest watching one of her documentaries but starting at the time of this link and for the next eight or ten minutes, Mary Beard dissembles the idea that the ancient city of Rome had any racial continuity at all. It shows that what Taleb was objecting to wasn't a one-off.

    https://youtu.be/SjJDoix0HaM?t=581

    That’ll be Winifred Mary Beard/Baird?

    Prolly, as Ignatius J Reilly might have put it.

    No misdirection, of course.

    What’s in a name?

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  27. Anyone else think this here “dissembling” could be a gerund? And by “finish” she means “end” rather than “complete”?

    That is, she wants classicists to stop treating European history as self-consciously white history (or whatever she’s saying; I haven’t really read it) because that’s like playing footsie with the horribly racist contemporary ideal of a white Europe.

    It’s not like these types have a reputation for writing clearly.

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    Agreed. I think Steve is pulling a bit of a boner on this. Dissemble is like. Finish is end.

    She wants to put an end to lying white rightist behavior.

    [Note, I am generally more in sympathy with Steve. I just think he did not read the passage properly.]
    , @Anonymous
    "like" = lie.

    (typo)
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  28. @Anonymous
    Pretty much everything that rolls from a liberal's mouth about society is idiotic. Yes let's tear down the most prosperous, most free, most productive, least corrupt, most fair societies the world has ever known. Brilliant.

    Just like their discussion of 'white privilege'. The definition they use seems to be anything that a white person has that's in a more beneficial state than blacks. No consideration for how or why that is the case. Perhaps little Jimmy studies hard for tests and get good grades, and little Tyrone spends his after school time playing hoops and gets poor grades, well, that's white privilege. If little Jimmy inherits a bright mind from his dad, well, that's white privilege too, and he needs to apologize and give up everything he ever makes or owns to blacks to atone for it.

    Sheer stupidity. We should have a society that rewards the winners. Whether someone gets ahead from hard work, a high IQ, a knack for developing new skills, being a persuasive talker, a better attention span, hell, even possessing 20/10 vision that lets them more clearly see what the teacher is scribbling on the chalkboard- we as a society should want more of that in the next generation, not condemn them and reward the losers. Its idiotic.

    Pretty much everything that rolls from a liberal’s mouth about society is idiotic.

    Idiotic is cursorily inaccurate. More like showing signs of some kind of rapidly advancing Alzheimer’s.

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  29. @Anonymous
    Pretty much everything that rolls from a liberal's mouth about society is idiotic. Yes let's tear down the most prosperous, most free, most productive, least corrupt, most fair societies the world has ever known. Brilliant.

    Just like their discussion of 'white privilege'. The definition they use seems to be anything that a white person has that's in a more beneficial state than blacks. No consideration for how or why that is the case. Perhaps little Jimmy studies hard for tests and get good grades, and little Tyrone spends his after school time playing hoops and gets poor grades, well, that's white privilege. If little Jimmy inherits a bright mind from his dad, well, that's white privilege too, and he needs to apologize and give up everything he ever makes or owns to blacks to atone for it.

    Sheer stupidity. We should have a society that rewards the winners. Whether someone gets ahead from hard work, a high IQ, a knack for developing new skills, being a persuasive talker, a better attention span, hell, even possessing 20/10 vision that lets them more clearly see what the teacher is scribbling on the chalkboard- we as a society should want more of that in the next generation, not condemn them and reward the losers. Its idiotic.

    It isn’t idiotic. You are assuming for the left words actually have meaning. If the goal is to handicap their opponents, then lying and engaging in rampant hypocrisy is the winning strategy which is exactly what they do.

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  30. More virtue signaling a la “You didn’t build that”. When does the retort finally come “OK, then who did build that? Who did?”

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    The reply to Barry's initial "You didn't build that" should have been "Well it certainly wasn't some shiftless Kenyan"
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  31. @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist “historians”, just random death threats and misdirection. That’s how the right keeps losing culture wars.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    The public sphere of ideas are controlled by the Left. Just entering the sphere can be disastrous (e.g. Charlottesville) or similar consequences regarding free speech. These actions of subverting the Right by any means were pre-planned yrs ago and the Alt-Right is still playing catch up.
    , @Anonymous
    "European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist “historians”, just random death threats and misdirection. That’s how the right keeps losing culture wars."

    -I'm assuming you do see how white people who raise their voice, even in a cucked-over fashion to mitigate blowback, whites who question anything, even question only feminism and not racism, are booted from their careers like Damore, right?

    We're not writing letters to NYT and marching in the street because nearly all of us rely on those jobs to pay bills and support families. I'm pissed off too, but if it's a choice between a statue coming down, and my wife and 2 daughters losing a roof over their heads, sorry to say, it's a lesser of two evils choice I have to make. The way things are going, it may come to something even bigger, but until that day, it's voting in private, and a stiff upper lip as the British say.
    , @anon
    Don't forget Jewish control of the media and Hollywood.
    , @BenKenobi
    Be careful what you wish for.
    , @Anonymous
    A white nationalist ("nazi") would simply be ignored. "no-platformed" they call it. There would be no debate or discussion.
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  32. @David
    I hate to suggest watching one of her documentaries but starting at the time of this link and for the next eight or ten minutes, Mary Beard dissembles the idea that the ancient city of Rome had any racial continuity at all. It shows that what Taleb was objecting to wasn't a one-off.

    https://youtu.be/SjJDoix0HaM?t=581

    Looks like she’s in a mid-sneeze position.

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  33. At the end of the day it’s up to the Europeans to defend their own interests. If they let illiterate droolers tell them what to do, then they deserve everything that happens to them. And the same holds for everyone else.

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  34. Scholars Against Grammar.

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    Didn't you know that English Grammar exemplifies "White Privilege" and is therefore used to make those speaking Spanglish and Ebonics feel bad about themselves? Since making people feel bad has been criminalized of late as a "hate crime", moving forward we have no option but to integrate the de facto grammars and vocabularies of Spanglish and Ebonics into the official lexicon of English.

    Trust me, white students will feel enriched in their university experience (a positive feeling) by learning how to speak to their Hispanic and black associates in their own tongues. Most important, this supports the axiom buttressed by current law and practice that all languages, peoples, genders, sexual orientations, cultures, and religions are equal.

    Equality for the masses ... "From each according to Xher ability ... to each according to Xher needs."
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  35. @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    Because no non-white set foot in Britain til ca.1600′s or so. And even if one did, this professor is building a false narrative that United Colors of Benetton always existed in Europe pre-colonial era. It’s not like this tactic is working: “Ok guys, let’s make the non-whites feel good and tell them that blacks always existed in Europe for thousands of yrs. That way more of them will want to take these classics classes and maybe even some might go on to major in them.” There was a professor some yrs ago who deconstructed the whole “Black Athena” thing, now it has to be done again, only this time in Britain? Seriously?

    You’d think that “safe spaces” could also apply to classical studies. And classical history is about as SWPL as one can get. Literally.

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    One of these general-audience articles from academia defending the BBC cartoon lets slip that the Romans sent soldiers to far-flung locations so they wouldn't have conflicting loyalties. So you end up with "Syrians" in ancient Britain.

    Diversity was the Roman's empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire's thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    There's a children's book series called "The Roman Mysteries" which ticks nearly all the boxes, set in Ancient Rome and written by a nice AngloAmerican lady with an MA in Hebrew.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lawrence

    "The series is about a Roman girl called Flavia and her three friends: Nubia (a freed slave girl), Jonathan (a shunned Jewish boy) and Lupus (a beggar boy without a tongue)."

    White girl, African girl, Jewish boy, disabled boy. Now I imagine all of those existed in Rome (were there many free sub-Saharans?), it just seems unlikely this would be a typical group of friends.

    She's now writing Westerns, I wonder what unlikely combinations will arise there?

    " In March 2010, Lawrence was commissioned to write another history mystery series of books called The Western Mysteries, set in Virginia City, Nevada Territory in the early 1860s."

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  36. @anonymous

    Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out.
     
    No, it's not. If you think the game is up because of 40 years of massive, demographic-altering immigration and having cultural marxists poison the educational system, then you don't have what it takes to save our culture.

    A couple of items to recall from many throughout history:

    1) The Spanish had to fight for 700 years before they liberated their entire nation. Seven hundred years!! The entire history of British America barely goes back 400 years.

    2) Seventy plus years of marxist thought-policing in Russia took its toll. But we are now seeing green shoots of Christianity and relatively healthy attitudes concerning human behavior vis-a-vis the West. Are they out of the woods yet? No, but I doubt people from the 1970s would have envisioned what has happened.

    Things change. History is rarely a straight line. So long as you have the ability to resist, resist.

    People reading this blog probably won't see it, but we owe the future generations a fighting chance. Reducing the problem, or at the least throttling it back, will benefit greatly those to follow.

    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don’t object to the wall and I don’t think it’s a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I’m convinced it’s just too late and we’re just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let’s be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be “babies of color.” Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they’re simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation’s heritage & values. I’m not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don’t have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity… even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they’re going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America’s newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, “America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us.”

    If we can’t keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, “You will not replace us!” I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who’ve been gloating “The future is brown and black!” These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more “Electoral College Majority” but “Popular Vote Minority” Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? “There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation’s establishment and future.”

    So if there’s going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn’t interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it’s not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can’t easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn’t nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it’s very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society’s and economy’s rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped…

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America’s future as “white citizens,” wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for “Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad” will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

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    5) Gosh, there's gotta be something that YT has done much better than everyone else, all throughout history...
    , @bomag
    Everything you wrote is spot on, but there is more to the story:

    )The new cohort depends on the care and maintenance of the welfare state. I wouldn't bet long term on that strategy. Those who do real things will prevail in the long run.

    )Modern tech should aid and abet freedom of association. Right now tech has been weaponized against traditional Americans, but think Amish and Mennonite writ large.

    Keep your powder dry.
    , @Lot
    There is no reason to be hung up on the 50% number.
    , @Pericles
    Wow, I think you're not surrendering fast enough though. Is there some way you can surrender faster? More thoroughly? Perhaps they then will spare you along with your wife's black son.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I've noted before - you don't actually need a majority to be in power. Why is it that the Jewish are constantly accused of being in power, despite having no great numbers?

    The issue ultimately is one of solidarity, and whites really do not seem to have any. Its either full on and impractical LARP Nazism, or cuckoldry; the idea of a balanced, defensive identity doesn't seem to be present.
    , @Bill

    So if there’s going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn’t interested in picking up and fleeing,
     
    Dude, you can't do these or any other things if you are permanently out of power. So the whole paragraph is moot. Worse, the things you are suggesting are just "do our masters' bidding even harder." Getting more toleranter and universalistical isn't the answer. If you can't see that paper protections as embodied in things like muh constitution are completely worthless at this point, then you need that cataract surgery really, really badly.
    , @Thea
    After the economy collapses, Asians & whites may form an alliance.

    There is another option of ceasing to collect any and all race based statistics. France & Brazil do this to some degree.

    All Brazilians are called Pardo "brown" and the European ones are left alone to mate as they wish.

    They claim there is no racism in Brazil.

    Of course Brazil isn't an empire waging constant war.

    Alternately we could incentivize leaving. They don't all need to go home, just enough to maintain a balance. This wouldn't have to involve violence. End welfare & other free stuff and big part are gone.

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  37. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    This is why I wear a Joan of Arc medal on my dog tags even though I’ve not been a soldier or a catholic for decades. Her courage to say a saintly “fuck you” in the face of total defeat is inspiring to me. She was an 18 year old French girl born in a nation in many ways as far gone as we are now. Did she just eloi out of it, and write it off as lost? No. I’m asking you to be 1% as brave as an 18 year old French farm girl. Can you manage that? Because everything depends on it.

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    I like it.

    Inspiring.

    Courage & stoicism indeed.

    Observe all the energy, frustration and rage just itching for blood in the street. The readiness to fight is apparent among many. But I can't imagine spilling blood advancing goals as satisfying as many might find it. On the contrary, that would energize any rivals to tighten the yoke and muzzle that already burden.

    How can any of you imagine channelling the energy into resisting or building something worthwhile?

    Concrete measures and activities please...

    Building a business?
    Mentoring young people?

    I'd already resigned and "exited" politically.

    In my city, fewer than 8% voted for Trump. (That's less than San Francisco or Chicago!)
    On my city's council, and congressional district it's not quite a one party rule. There are no Republicans on the ballot but one can choose from Black Power, Maoists, Greens or ordinary Socialists. Everything is SJW diversity Überalles 24-7ö whitemales NOT very welcome.

    Stay and fight?
    Wish me luck.

    Maybe like Dear St. Joan, our descendants won't forget me as a martyr for the cause.
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  38. @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.

    The public sphere of ideas are controlled by the Left. Just entering the sphere can be disastrous (e.g. Charlottesville) or similar consequences regarding free speech. These actions of subverting the Right by any means were pre-planned yrs ago and the Alt-Right is still playing catch up.

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  39. Despite Professor McCoskey’s award-winning Excellence in Philology, she made an amusing Freudian slip in her verb choice, thinking “dissembling” is a synonym for “deconstructing”…

    I don’t think it’s a “Freudian slip.” Rather, this goes to show that Prof. McCoskey is an intellectual fraud and a sophist. Literate people know the difference between “dissembling” and “disassembling,” but far too many people (especially women) in the academy who bill themselves as Doctors of Philosophy are merely posers, using the social status of a doctorate and a tenured chair to advance a political agenda. (You see this particularly in the “fields” of Sociology and Cultural Anthropology).

    Note carefully the context in which the word “dissembling” is used (or misused):

    Our goal, as classicists, should surely be to finish the dissembling of this dangerously misguided dream of white Europe.

    Now, you’d think that “our goal as classicists” would be to study the classics. But no — Prof. McCoskey is making an overtly political, contemporary statement here; “our goal as classicists” is not to translate Homer or Juvenal, but to deal with a “dangerous” and “misguided dream” of a “white Europe.”

    So, in the end, it does not really matter if she is disassembling or dissembling, it’s all an affectation and a put-on to cloak the real agenda, namely undermining and subverting white Europe, under the guise of higher learning and academic research.

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  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Because no non-white set foot in Britain til ca.1600's or so. And even if one did, this professor is building a false narrative that United Colors of Benetton always existed in Europe pre-colonial era. It's not like this tactic is working: "Ok guys, let's make the non-whites feel good and tell them that blacks always existed in Europe for thousands of yrs. That way more of them will want to take these classics classes and maybe even some might go on to major in them." There was a professor some yrs ago who deconstructed the whole "Black Athena" thing, now it has to be done again, only this time in Britain? Seriously?

    You'd think that "safe spaces" could also apply to classical studies. And classical history is about as SWPL as one can get. Literally.

    One of these general-audience articles from academia defending the BBC cartoon lets slip that the Romans sent soldiers to far-flung locations so they wouldn’t have conflicting loyalties. So you end up with “Syrians” in ancient Britain.

    Diversity was the Roman’s empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire’s thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.

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    Diversity was the Roman’s empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire’s thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.
     
    Tremendous observation.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it. The Middle East isn't Africa. Second of all, only Roman citizens could serve in the army, at least up til the late Empire stages. So its highly unlikely that "Syrians" would've been in Britain. Also, with all the archeological digs and findings, all one has to do is compare the DNA of Britons from 2,000 yrs ago and notice that, nope, no Syrians were there during that time.
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  41. People of Color all agree that white men are problematic and need to go

    The classics have been subject to white supremacy for too long and we the diverse are not going to take it anymore

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  42. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.
     
    It is never too late. But the Zuck clan is in your debt for being a sapper.

    If you are actually on our side, cowboy up. You don't win by conceding defeat before the contest is joined.

    I’m certainly ready to “cowboy up” but I don’t really see what the objective of the battle could be. If being an ethnic minority is considered final loss, then we’ve already lost. Two choices: Ruthless ethnic cleansing of the territory, by force or by bribe or Flight from the territory as so many Americans have done before. As both the Colonies and the Frontier, when Americans (and future Americans) considered it impossible to create and steward a community for them and their posterity, they up and left. Were they cowards for not fighting to mandate their peculiar culture on a dominant majority population? No the Pilgrims, Mormons, etc all just picked up and left. That’s the American way. The colonists didn’t try to change the Crown or Great Britain. No, they declared independence and tried to make their own show. Even the admirable independent spirit of the southern states knew they couldn’t persuade and win against their regional rivals in the north, so they embraced the same spirit of independence and breaking away that has been the common thread throughout American history.

    A European friend used to joke, “American’s don’t solve problems; they leave them behind.” While he didn’t quite mean it out of admiration, I’ve come to appreciate and admire that revolutionary spirit of not being tied down to dumpster fires. Sometimes it’s not worth fighting and it’s better off building anew. Perhaps the paranoia and depression and self-pity so common to our situation can be transformed into something optimistic and constructive. Rather than battling old windmills like silly Don Quixote by trying to reconquer the news & entertainment media, academia, the courts, the SJW corporations, it might be easier to retreat to a peaceful hospitable community where one can focus on prospering, flourishing and making babies. Rod Dreher alludes to this fantasy with his Benedict Option. Even if the fantasy of potential perfection tempts, eventually one will have to work, defend and preserve the imperfect mortal reality. So it might be ending up back at the same situation: Fight and Preserve / or / Flee and Reinvent.

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    White flight: the cowardly rationalisation. That's what your comment basically is.

    The main problem with your 'start anew' theme is that there isn't a place on earth, save Greenland maybe, where you can do that. At some point you have to stand and fight, and actually start gaining ground on *their* turf than continually retreat.
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  43. Purge academia. The media is the left’s mouth, and academia is the left’s brain. Aim for the head.

    If Trump knew what he was doing, he’d defund as much of it as legally possible, not pursue pointless foreign wars. There are several venues to do this under a democratic system, so it’s not beyond the pale.

    If the alt-right knew what it was doing, they would publicly delegitimize leftist scholars by name, so these people would fear for their reputation anytime they opened their mouths, while getting the public to question academia as an authority for ‘facts’. Since the alt-right rarely resorts to direct action in the real world, I suggest writing articles primed for SEO, so they show up immediately in a Google search, thereby leading to public doubt over leftist credibility.

    Using Mary Beard as an example:

    - “Mary Beard’s Devotion to Pseudo-history Should Worry Historians Everywhere”
    - “Western Academia has a Credibility Problem – and Mary Beard is the Latest Example”
    - “Why the Public Humiliation of Mary Beard was Necessary”
    - “Is Mary Beard’s Twitter Meltdown Based on Accurate History?”

    And so on. Don’t go on and go about how she may or may not be a Jew (she isn’t), or congratulate each other over how you’re homeschooling your kids. That shit has zero impact in the culture wars.

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    The GOP has control over all three branches of 25 State Governments.
    Everybody should be all over these clowns demanding to know why the lunatic left in the schools are still being funded.
    Parallel action should be to start running ads in each district explicitly looking for candidates willing to
    defund the Antifa and primary the incumbent.
    Explicit boycotts (and demo's against) of anybody who contributes to the incumbent would help too
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  44. It must be hard being a classicist
    Nothing new to say
    Anything new comes from DNA analysis or archaeology

    Everyone has read the same texts 1000 times and now it is about what he said, about what she said, about what he said, about X.

    And here is their chance to be “relevant”.
    To have someone pay attention
    After all who knows more about Europe than a classicist?

    And the best they can come up with?
    “Europe was never white”
    Pretty sad.

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    If I'd had been born 40 years before I was, there would have been few paths in life more enjoyable than becoming a scholar of classics and philology. Now I can only look back wistfully at the days when there were still some standards in education; when acquiring a post-graduate degree in the humanities was still a rare and difficult achievement but, once attained, would open the door to a world of high culture that was definitely worth belonging to. There was once a world were a few lucky souls would not only read Homer and Plato in Greek, but would feel the penumbra of divinity which surrounded those works and would reflect it to one another like beacons among the lonely hills. It must have been like a prelude to heaven. The conviction that such things must not be allowed utterly to perish is why I must fight on with the Alternative Right til the end.
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  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    At this point, given how the hate whitey festival known as America has heated up these days, I’ve completely switched my views from the idea that everyone should get treated the same to completely in favor of the opinion that whites should use every opportunity they can get away with to screw over minorities.

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  46. @Jason Roberts
    But, Africa was, is, and always will be black.

    And Was, IS and always will be a failed continent where starvation and mud huts are the norm. We abandoned the effort to bring them into the 18th century sometime in the 20th century. A race that never invented written language, the wheel or anything else. but “we was kangs.” Screw them forever.

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.

    “European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist “historians”, just random death threats and misdirection. That’s how the right keeps losing culture wars.”

    -I’m assuming you do see how white people who raise their voice, even in a cucked-over fashion to mitigate blowback, whites who question anything, even question only feminism and not racism, are booted from their careers like Damore, right?

    We’re not writing letters to NYT and marching in the street because nearly all of us rely on those jobs to pay bills and support families. I’m pissed off too, but if it’s a choice between a statue coming down, and my wife and 2 daughters losing a roof over their heads, sorry to say, it’s a lesser of two evils choice I have to make. The way things are going, it may come to something even bigger, but until that day, it’s voting in private, and a stiff upper lip as the British say.

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  48. @Anon
    This is why I wear a Joan of Arc medal on my dog tags even though I've not been a soldier or a catholic for decades. Her courage to say a saintly "fuck you" in the face of total defeat is inspiring to me. She was an 18 year old French girl born in a nation in many ways as far gone as we are now. Did she just eloi out of it, and write it off as lost? No. I'm asking you to be 1% as brave as an 18 year old French farm girl. Can you manage that? Because everything depends on it.

    I like it.

    Inspiring.

    Courage & stoicism indeed.

    Observe all the energy, frustration and rage just itching for blood in the street. The readiness to fight is apparent among many. But I can’t imagine spilling blood advancing goals as satisfying as many might find it. On the contrary, that would energize any rivals to tighten the yoke and muzzle that already burden.

    How can any of you imagine channelling the energy into resisting or building something worthwhile?

    Concrete measures and activities please…

    Building a business?
    Mentoring young people?

    I’d already resigned and “exited” politically.

    In my city, fewer than 8% voted for Trump. (That’s less than San Francisco or Chicago!)
    On my city’s council, and congressional district it’s not quite a one party rule. There are no Republicans on the ballot but one can choose from Black Power, Maoists, Greens or ordinary Socialists. Everything is SJW diversity Überalles 24-7ö whitemales NOT very welcome.

    Stay and fight?
    Wish me luck.

    Maybe like Dear St. Joan, our descendants won’t forget me as a martyr for the cause.

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    In my city, fewer than 8% voted for Trump. (That’s less than San Francisco or Chicago!)

     

    Then there is Berkeley. Trump finished in third place at 3.2%: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2016-11-25/article/45173
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  49. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    Roman elites put a lot of emphasis on being from good Roman families, and that means you didn’t marry anyone lower class. The Roman Empire itself was mainly a pan-Mediterranean patchwork of various white cultures. Even in North Africa, the people were mainly white Berbers and white proto-Arabs. Actual black-blacks were not that common, and were mostly found in Egypt as servants and slaves.

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    Right. I only followed this kerfuffle casually, but I got the sense that a lot of it rested on weaseling the definition of words like "diversity" and "African". That there may have been an occasional Carthaginian trader in Roman Britain doesn't mean one was likely to see a Sub-Saharan African there.
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  50. This is sheer, evil, anti-white-gentile bullshit, coming from someone who clearly hates us.

    There. I said it.

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  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ThinSkinnedMasta


    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited “whitemales” of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    Exit??? These hysterical shrieking commies do not represent the country.

    2/3s of the country don’t want the statues taken down. Most people are worried about violent Antifa, not the throwbacks in the fedgov KKK.

    The recent hysteria is Zimmerman all over again. And this medicated dude in the Dodge Charger will be very difficult to convict of anything close to murder.

    Let us review: Whitey was not convicted in Zimmerman, Ferguson, Baltimore.

    PS I just heard today that the parent company of CNN has had enough of Zucker as head of programming. This is the asshole who drove MSNBC into the ground also. Maybe he will go to Fox next.

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  52. Too bad you can’t say anything harsh on this blog without getting whimmed!

    Sometimes our betters really deserve it, Steve!

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    Old timers remember the blogspot days when acknowledging the (((coincidences))) would get your post whimmed.

    But hey its a class war not a race war m I rite?
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  53. I don’t get it . . . There were black negro Roman Britons, yet Shakespeare “never met a Jew” ?

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    Jews were expelled from England and Wales by Edward I in the 13th(?) century, and were allowed back in by Cromwell, so they would have been few and far between (and not 'out') in Shakespeare's day.
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  54. @Cwhatfuture
    It must be hard being a classicist
    Nothing new to say
    Anything new comes from DNA analysis or archaeology

    Everyone has read the same texts 1000 times and now it is about what he said, about what she said, about what he said, about X.

    And here is their chance to be "relevant".
    To have someone pay attention
    After all who knows more about Europe than a classicist?

    And the best they can come up with?
    "Europe was never white"
    Pretty sad.

    If I’d had been born 40 years before I was, there would have been few paths in life more enjoyable than becoming a scholar of classics and philology. Now I can only look back wistfully at the days when there were still some standards in education; when acquiring a post-graduate degree in the humanities was still a rare and difficult achievement but, once attained, would open the door to a world of high culture that was definitely worth belonging to. There was once a world were a few lucky souls would not only read Homer and Plato in Greek, but would feel the penumbra of divinity which surrounded those works and would reflect it to one another like beacons among the lonely hills. It must have been like a prelude to heaven. The conviction that such things must not be allowed utterly to perish is why I must fight on with the Alternative Right til the end.

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  55. Anon regarding Joan of Arc –

    Joan of Arc had a much, much more favorable situation. France was not barely 65% French with most young people being non French. It was more like 98% French. Moreover, instead of the ruling elites having much to lose and nothing to gain from France being ruled by the French again, they had everything to gain and very little to lose as the English would usurp their estates and privileges and wealth and make them into … peasants. Contrast that with today where the entire situation of the elite wealth depends on massive amounts of anti-White male cheap labor and votes and social police / street thuggery militia.

    Moreover, something 75% of French women were not against France being French. French women did not have a massive tidal wave of young non-French men who were both naturally lower IQ and more aggressive and dominant than French men to attract their lady tingles.

    ALL, literally ALL Joan had to do was convince both an elite and populace that the English were not invincible but could be defeated militarily and she was (sadly) disposable. Even if victory was considered possible, our elites, our women, our government, our universities and schools, our media, our military, will all be against it with great vehemence.

    There is no, zero, nada, zilch possibility of America being restored, let alone being made great again. Cautious, conservative, establishment figures like Romney are openly touting coups against Trump, and CNN and other establishment media figures are proposing to blow up Mount Rushmore and soon, create internment camps for White males. Our job is not to win, that was impossible around 1975 or so.

    Rather, it is to survive. And to survive Whites MUST FIGHT. They must be able to respond to a Reginald Denny situation that can arise at any time on the street, and they must intimidate and create raw, naked FEAR in their many enemies: White women, non-Whites, elites (who will soon be vastly non-White). This FEAR cannot be based on militias, or other self-defeating Nazi Larping Federal plant stuff (paging Richard Spencer, Richard Spencer, to the White Fed informant phone. Please let David Duke and Jenkins know their checks are in the mail).

    Rather it must be decentralized (no one target), anonymous, distributed, non-violent, disclosure-based (Wikileaks for elite crimes and deviant awful behavior like child porn and abuse) and lawsuit based (alleging corruption or illegal acts by public/private elite officials when there is good evidence. Everyone from Al Sharpton to Chucky Schumer to Amy Schumer to Joss Whedon to Mark Zuckerberg MUST be made to fear White men retaliating by making their lives miserable in non-violent, non Reichstag Fire ways. Particularly in light of the coming coup to remove Trump which is almost slam dunk to be successful since every Military Leader and politico and media honcho and business leader is behind it.

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  56. Just checked. It’s been changed to “disassembling”.

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    !

    Well, I changed McCloskey to McCoskey (thanks, Ziel), so I shouldn't be having fun with other people's typos. But that was a fun one.

    , @Anonymous
    So Donna and friends are reading this? I suspected as much!

    In that case, Donna, you need to confront your white supremacy! (The ACLU did it.. get with the program...)
    I followed Steve's link to your intro message...

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    ...and what do I see but a bunch of naked white chicks!

    In this day and age, do you really think that a naked redhead is the avatar of beauty? You seem to have commissioned a rendition of Botticelli's Venus, but why demand that all the chicks have pale skin and red hair? Maybe that was just Botticelli's cishet whiteman fetish? Do Greeks even have pale skin and red hair? Why not a fro? Why not a big butt?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo

    "Red beans and rice didn't miss her!"

    (Sort of OT: Is 0:03 where "Becky" comes from? Or did that preexist? "Becky" looks a bit like Ivanka...)
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  57. @JerryC
    One does wonder how a "woke classics online periodical" is funded. Surely not through ad sales.

    Did you miss that part about “Zuckerberg”?

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  58. Is Jewish Israel a dangerously misguided dream?
    Chinese China?
    Somali Somalia?

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    Of course not. Those are examples of healthy vibrant diversity.
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  59. @Anonymous
    Just checked. It's been changed to "disassembling".

    !

    Well, I changed McCloskey to McCoskey (thanks, Ziel), so I shouldn’t be having fun with other people’s typos. But that was a fun one.

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  60. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    Ohio has a GOP governor and huge GOP majority in the state leg and supreme court. These professors who spend their entire careers, day in and day out, hating and propagandizing against white Americans should be defunded as agenda item #1 in state legislatures.

    Tenure should be abolished in the humanities, psychology, education, journalism, law, and political science and all teaching of these classes be done on one year contracts approved by a board appointed by the governor, with an exception for fully endowed positions. These areas would go from hotbeds of far left activism generously employing 1000+ liberal democrats into a rich source of patronage for the governor plus hundreds of conservative intellectuals moving into the state to take their place.

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has “affirmative action” in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it. If the state legislature will not end this discrimination against white and asian Ohioans, the people should do so either by a ballot initiative or a case in its state courts stating the policy violates the state constitution. I don’t think any member of the elected state supreme court would vote in favor of keeping AA.

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    Drain the swamp in Academia as "agenda item #1?"

    Couldn't agree more!

    Don't hold your breath. Even after success at the ballot box, executing the plan is sadly still far from reality. I'm hoping the "higher education" revolution that made it into an almost universal rite of passage can be replaced almost as quickly as it came. In barely a generation it was perhaps the greatest and most underappreciated engine of social change with wide ranging impact throughout life. It uprooted young people, destroyed community continuity, disrupted, delayed and in many cases completely supplanted growing into a normal family life.

    That revolution was unplanned and its consequences were certainly unimagined and unexpected.

    As an alternative coveted employers could draft the highest potential candidates straight out of high school to make elite apprenticeships & proprietary cooperative professional & vocational education a desirable path also for the masses. See the Thiel Fellows... but try to imagine highly select cohorts being trained for direct to entry into promising careers in finance, management, administration and technology. Once the elite have decided to ditch or delay college then it then loses cachet for the masses too.
    , @res

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has “affirmative action” in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it.
     
    If you think CA doesn't have affirmative action take a look at the UC graphs at the NYT. Last time I looked at UC admissions they went through some impressive gyrations to manipulate things.
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  61. So Europe was never really white (!) and therefore I’m sure Donna Zuckerberg would agree that Israel and its environs were never really Jewish.

    Amirite?

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    So Europe was never really white (!) and therefore I’m sure Donna Zuckerberg would agree that Israel and its environs were never really Jewish.
     
    Oh I'm sure she would say that. But the Israelis would never agree with it. They would mock it and build another settlement just to rub her face in it. The Europeans on the other hand read this nonsense and actually agree with it.
    , @biz
    Probably not. Any evidence that Donna Z is pro-Israel?
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  62. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    5) Gosh, there’s gotta be something that YT has done much better than everyone else, all throughout history…

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  63. …nostalgia residing at the heart of white supremacy, noting that “No road whatever will lead Americans back to the simplicity of this European village where white men still have the luxury of looking on me as a stranger.” … “This world is white no longer, and it will never be white again.”

    So where do things stand in the JamesBaldwinverse? If total holocaust of POC=Nazi=White supremacist=white nationalist=European village, how many Whites can be together in one place before Baldwin et al are triggered? 100? 5? A DNA sample of the proper and ever lowering percentage?

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  64. @Lot
    Ohio has a GOP governor and huge GOP majority in the state leg and supreme court. These professors who spend their entire careers, day in and day out, hating and propagandizing against white Americans should be defunded as agenda item #1 in state legislatures.

    Tenure should be abolished in the humanities, psychology, education, journalism, law, and political science and all teaching of these classes be done on one year contracts approved by a board appointed by the governor, with an exception for fully endowed positions. These areas would go from hotbeds of far left activism generously employing 1000+ liberal democrats into a rich source of patronage for the governor plus hundreds of conservative intellectuals moving into the state to take their place.

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has "affirmative action" in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it. If the state legislature will not end this discrimination against white and asian Ohioans, the people should do so either by a ballot initiative or a case in its state courts stating the policy violates the state constitution. I don't think any member of the elected state supreme court would vote in favor of keeping AA.

    Drain the swamp in Academia as “agenda item #1?”

    Couldn’t agree more!

    Don’t hold your breath. Even after success at the ballot box, executing the plan is sadly still far from reality. I’m hoping the “higher education” revolution that made it into an almost universal rite of passage can be replaced almost as quickly as it came. In barely a generation it was perhaps the greatest and most underappreciated engine of social change with wide ranging impact throughout life. It uprooted young people, destroyed community continuity, disrupted, delayed and in many cases completely supplanted growing into a normal family life.

    That revolution was unplanned and its consequences were certainly unimagined and unexpected.

    As an alternative coveted employers could draft the highest potential candidates straight out of high school to make elite apprenticeships & proprietary cooperative professional & vocational education a desirable path also for the masses. See the Thiel Fellows… but try to imagine highly select cohorts being trained for direct to entry into promising careers in finance, management, administration and technology. Once the elite have decided to ditch or delay college then it then loses cachet for the masses too.

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  65. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    Everything you wrote is spot on, but there is more to the story:

    )The new cohort depends on the care and maintenance of the welfare state. I wouldn’t bet long term on that strategy. Those who do real things will prevail in the long run.

    )Modern tech should aid and abet freedom of association. Right now tech has been weaponized against traditional Americans, but think Amish and Mennonite writ large.

    Keep your powder dry.

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  66. @Steve Sailer
    !

    Well, I changed McCloskey to McCoskey (thanks, Ziel), so I shouldn't be having fun with other people's typos. But that was a fun one.

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    That's a good one.
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  67. @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    Something is seriously wrong with the British psyche. And they ARE the indigenous population of Britain too. Imagine the Cherokees or Cree saying that 2,000 years ago their tribes contained great numbers of whites…….

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    It's not "the British psyche". It's nothing like it. It's the BBC.
    Whose whole raison d' is utterly smothering any hint of the vile and worthless opinions of the natives. You will never ever hear them, unless you (1) go to Blighty (2) talk to them face to face, which is why Britain appears so strange and otherwordly to the rest of the planet. Not your fault, since you have only the BBC to go on.
    Even the museums are nobbled in the interests of multicult and socialism. Which is why they hide most of the collections these days and replace them with screeds of RightThink text and videos, unlike the comparatively intellectually honest Victorians who just shoved it all out there for the public to ponder.
    "Archaeotainment", the jaded and morose contract diggers call it, in the case of this nasty little racist cartoon series, and the blustering Beard's hopelessly out-of-date (sell-by; 1976) perorations. Pretty lies about history. For the greater good. How clever!
    And you lot (foreigners) will never see anything else from the Septic Isle. Not permitted.
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  68. @Anonymous

    That’s a good one.

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  69. @Anon
    Roman elites put a lot of emphasis on being from good Roman families, and that means you didn't marry anyone lower class. The Roman Empire itself was mainly a pan-Mediterranean patchwork of various white cultures. Even in North Africa, the people were mainly white Berbers and white proto-Arabs. Actual black-blacks were not that common, and were mostly found in Egypt as servants and slaves.

    Right. I only followed this kerfuffle casually, but I got the sense that a lot of it rested on weaseling the definition of words like “diversity” and “African”. That there may have been an occasional Carthaginian trader in Roman Britain doesn’t mean one was likely to see a Sub-Saharan African there.

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    https://twitter.com/A_Epiphanes4/status/893650299017101313
    , @guest
    If you're from Africa, you're Wesley Snipes-black. End of story.
    , @Anonymous
    http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/the-forum/2017/07/28/how-diverse-was-roman-britain/

    ... the emperor Septimius Severus (himself in fact an African, from Libya) was inspecting his troops on [Hadrian's] Wall when one of the garrison’s well-known jokers, an ‘Ethiopian’, offered him a garland.

    Severus was startled by the apparent omen, associating the soldier’s black colour as a portent of his own imminent death, but no-one seems to have been particularly surprised at the presence of an ‘Ethiopian’ (that is, a black African) at the northern edge of the Roman empire (Hist. Aug. Severus 22).
     
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  70. @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.

    Don’t forget Jewish control of the media and Hollywood.

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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for including a photo of Denise Eileen McCoskey. I assumed she was black due the deep well of rage required to engage in this kind of academic perversion.

    Since she’s not black I’ll assume McCoskey is a devout communist. But even that doesn’t fully account for her racial self-hatred.

    No, this person is a stunning example of Stockholm Syndrome. A hostile elite runs her field and she dances to their tune. In fact she wants to show her masters that she is the most dedicated dancer.

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    But even that doesn’t fully account for her racial self-hatred.
     
    Is this "self-hatred" delusion some kind of sperg thing?

    She doesn't hate herself - she's so full of herself she's about to burst! She's not "white" - deracination is the price of admission to her class.
    , @BB753
    One more reason (make it two with Donna Z.) women do not belong in higher education.
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  72. @Anonymous
    So Europe was never really white (!) and therefore I'm sure Donna Zuckerberg would agree that Israel and its environs were never really Jewish.

    Amirite?

    So Europe was never really white (!) and therefore I’m sure Donna Zuckerberg would agree that Israel and its environs were never really Jewish.

    Oh I’m sure she would say that. But the Israelis would never agree with it. They would mock it and build another settlement just to rub her face in it. The Europeans on the other hand read this nonsense and actually agree with it.

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  73. @Lot
    Ohio has a GOP governor and huge GOP majority in the state leg and supreme court. These professors who spend their entire careers, day in and day out, hating and propagandizing against white Americans should be defunded as agenda item #1 in state legislatures.

    Tenure should be abolished in the humanities, psychology, education, journalism, law, and political science and all teaching of these classes be done on one year contracts approved by a board appointed by the governor, with an exception for fully endowed positions. These areas would go from hotbeds of far left activism generously employing 1000+ liberal democrats into a rich source of patronage for the governor plus hundreds of conservative intellectuals moving into the state to take their place.

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has "affirmative action" in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it. If the state legislature will not end this discrimination against white and asian Ohioans, the people should do so either by a ballot initiative or a case in its state courts stating the policy violates the state constitution. I don't think any member of the elected state supreme court would vote in favor of keeping AA.

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has “affirmative action” in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it.

    If you think CA doesn’t have affirmative action take a look at the UC graphs at the NYT. Last time I looked at UC admissions they went through some impressive gyrations to manipulate things.

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    Yeah, they all find ways around it - on the side of the angels, don't you know.

    Ohio's GOP is so utterly cucked that even Sherrod Brown's looking decent these days. Never in a million years thought I'd say that.
    , @Lot
    UCs have an illegal but very limited unofficial AA still. But if you look at the sudden drop in black percentage at Berkeley and UCLA you can see Prop 209 has mostly been followed.
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  74. @Anonymous
    Thanks for including a photo of Denise Eileen McCoskey. I assumed she was black due the deep well of rage required to engage in this kind of academic perversion.

    Since she's not black I'll assume McCoskey is a devout communist. But even that doesn't fully account for her racial self-hatred.

    No, this person is a stunning example of Stockholm Syndrome. A hostile elite runs her field and she dances to their tune. In fact she wants to show her masters that she is the most dedicated dancer.

    But even that doesn’t fully account for her racial self-hatred.

    Is this “self-hatred” delusion some kind of sperg thing?

    She doesn’t hate herself – she’s so full of herself she’s about to burst! She’s not “white” – deracination is the price of admission to her class.

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    Who sets the price? Who's the ticket vendor? Who's the ticket taker?
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  75. @res

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has “affirmative action” in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it.
     
    If you think CA doesn't have affirmative action take a look at the UC graphs at the NYT. Last time I looked at UC admissions they went through some impressive gyrations to manipulate things.

    Yeah, they all find ways around it – on the side of the angels, don’t you know.

    Ohio’s GOP is so utterly cucked that even Sherrod Brown’s looking decent these days. Never in a million years thought I’d say that.

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  76. @Anonymous
    Thanks for including a photo of Denise Eileen McCoskey. I assumed she was black due the deep well of rage required to engage in this kind of academic perversion.

    Since she's not black I'll assume McCoskey is a devout communist. But even that doesn't fully account for her racial self-hatred.

    No, this person is a stunning example of Stockholm Syndrome. A hostile elite runs her field and she dances to their tune. In fact she wants to show her masters that she is the most dedicated dancer.

    One more reason (make it two with Donna Z.) women do not belong in higher education.

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  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Just checked. It's been changed to "disassembling".

    So Donna and friends are reading this? I suspected as much!

    In that case, Donna, you need to confront your white supremacy! (The ACLU did it.. get with the program…)
    I followed Steve’s link to your intro message…

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    …and what do I see but a bunch of naked white chicks!

    In this day and age, do you really think that a naked redhead is the avatar of beauty? You seem to have commissioned a rendition of Botticelli’s Venus, but why demand that all the chicks have pale skin and red hair? Maybe that was just Botticelli’s cishet whiteman fetish? Do Greeks even have pale skin and red hair? Why not a fro? Why not a big butt?

    “Red beans and rice didn’t miss her!”

    (Sort of OT: Is 0:03 where “Becky” comes from? Or did that preexist? “Becky” looks a bit like Ivanka…)

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    So Donna and friends are reading this?
     
    Or they're looking at the referrers in their traffic data and seeing this Unz.com URL.
    , @jim jones
    It has always seem strange to me that Blacks say "thick" instead if "fat"
    , @bored identity



    " Our goal is to model a Classics that is ethical, diverse, intersectional, and especially feminist."

    (...)

    "Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy, and those ideologies exert a powerful gravitational pull on the discipline’s practitioners."

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

     

    Holly Zeus, Mary , and Joseph!

    to model (v tr) :

    1.to create a representation or copy of something, often on a smaller scale, or to base your method of behavior on another person or procedure.
    2. to make conform to a standard of excellence.
    3. to display
    4. (in psychology ) to exhibit (a behavior) in such a way as to promote the establishment of similar patterns of behavior in another.

    How do you disassemble model Classics and still expect to be accepted as a serious scholar ?

    bored identity is sorry, but Mark Elliot Sugarhill's First Sister is nothing but a classic retconing twat with an unlimited amount of money to be spent on projects undermining the very same society that embraced her wretched ancestors.
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  78. Europe in the distant past 0.00001% non-White: So much vibrant; so much multicultural; so diverse!
    Modern area 10% non-White: So much white-bread; so much inbred monoculture; needs diversity!

    So it was a multiracial and diverse Europe that birthed racism and dehumanisation of minorities and bigotry and colonialism etc.

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  79. @Dave Pinsen
    Right. I only followed this kerfuffle casually, but I got the sense that a lot of it rested on weaseling the definition of words like "diversity" and "African". That there may have been an occasional Carthaginian trader in Roman Britain doesn't mean one was likely to see a Sub-Saharan African there.

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  80. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.
     
    It is never too late. But the Zuck clan is in your debt for being a sapper.

    If you are actually on our side, cowboy up. You don't win by conceding defeat before the contest is joined.

    They danced on our collective graves while we were still alive, hence the election of President Trump.

    They consider their victory inevitable and immortal and the war has scarcely begun.

    Hell, we have scarcely begun to fight.

    It’s gonna get ugly.

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  81. @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.

    Be careful what you wish for.

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  82. @Anonymous
    OT

    Satire is dead. Antifa has killed it.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

    Far-right activists are using fake Twitter accounts and images of battered women to smear anti-fascist groups in the US, an online investigation has revealed.

    The online campaign is using fake Antifa (an umbrella term for anti-fascist protestors) Twitter accounts to claim anti-fascists promote physically abusing women who support US President Donald Trump or white supremacy.

    ... Researcher Eliot Higgins of website Bellingcat found evidence that the campaign is being orchestrated on internet messageboard 4Chan by far-right sympathisers.
     
    Of course, the only reason this is a "smear campaign" and not merely satire is because Antifa's actual actions and rhetoric are so similar.

    Bellingcat

    Why is the propraganda outlet for Neocon Revelations On Ukraine being used for this?

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  83. Observation: Classicists are the ugliest group of women in the humanities.

    No idea why this should be

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  84. @Bill Jones
    The big question is " How long will white men continue to fund this crap?"

    “white men”

    You seem to have misplaced these: ((( )))

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  85. @Anonymous
    So Donna and friends are reading this? I suspected as much!

    In that case, Donna, you need to confront your white supremacy! (The ACLU did it.. get with the program...)
    I followed Steve's link to your intro message...

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    ...and what do I see but a bunch of naked white chicks!

    In this day and age, do you really think that a naked redhead is the avatar of beauty? You seem to have commissioned a rendition of Botticelli's Venus, but why demand that all the chicks have pale skin and red hair? Maybe that was just Botticelli's cishet whiteman fetish? Do Greeks even have pale skin and red hair? Why not a fro? Why not a big butt?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo

    "Red beans and rice didn't miss her!"

    (Sort of OT: Is 0:03 where "Becky" comes from? Or did that preexist? "Becky" looks a bit like Ivanka...)

    So Donna and friends are reading this?

    Or they’re looking at the referrers in their traffic data and seeing this Unz.com URL.

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  86. The core value of “ideological diversity … is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression…” Ideological diversity is “morally bankrupt” says Ms. Z.

    From the description of the new progressive mission of Ms. Zuckerberg’s “Eidolon.”

    Welcome to the New Eidolon!

    “Will this shift lead to a less diverse Eidolon? Our writers always have been, and will continue to be, a diverse group. Our writer pool has excellent diversity of race, age, gender, professional status, and sexuality. We work hard to keep it that way. But we’ve been accused of not being “ideologically diverse.” This charge is a common one, but I think it is misguided, in addition to being morally bankrupt. Making ideological diversity a primary objective is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression, and we choose to prioritize the latter.”

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    At least I now know for sure the “core value” of Mark and Donna Z.

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  87. @Jason Liu
    European history vigorously defended by Lebanese man, white nationalists nowhere to be seen. Let that sink in for a moment.

    The alt-right makes a few snarky remarks in their echo chambers and cedes the public commons to the SJWs. No counter-narrative, no cross examination of leftist "historians", just random death threats and misdirection. That's how the right keeps losing culture wars.

    A white nationalist (“nazi”) would simply be ignored. “no-platformed” they call it. There would be no debate or discussion.

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  88. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    There is no reason to be hung up on the 50% number.

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  89. @res

    Ohio also, shamefully, still has “affirmative action” in its public universities, even while Michigan, California, and Texas are some of the states that eliminated it.
     
    If you think CA doesn't have affirmative action take a look at the UC graphs at the NYT. Last time I looked at UC admissions they went through some impressive gyrations to manipulate things.

    UCs have an illegal but very limited unofficial AA still. But if you look at the sudden drop in black percentage at Berkeley and UCLA you can see Prop 209 has mostly been followed.

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  90. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Cultural Appropriation: Making "Classics" a division of Black World Studies.

    Latest strategy is to infiltrate the heart of the matter, instead of simple minded "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go." Instead of simple purging "Dead Whitemales" from the curriculum, they will be purged from life & reality.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it's too late. Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out. The Trojan Horse was brought inside the city walls two generations ago. What sprung out proclaimed, "We was Kangz! Now and forever!" We've been bowing down ever since...

    For two generations not only have traitors been filling the city with hostile foreigners, they've got both the enemy and native alike gaslighted into believing that innocent citizens are the guilty ones and deserve nothing less than annihilation.

    They say the choice is exit or voice. Denied our voice as discredited "whitemales" of privilege, exit seems our only choice.

    Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s too late.

    The words either of a shill or someone who doesn’t believe his own words.

    The latter I suspect:

    If you really believed it, you wouldn’t be here. You’d be, I dunno, on some doomstead in NZ.

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  91. @Bill Jones
    The big question is " How long will white men continue to fund this crap?"

    White males will continue to fund it until there are no more white males. This is a version of capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them with.

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  92. @Clyde
    I will translate here.
    You have two lazy white women in Palo Alto who are "culturally appropriating" James Baldwin. Who, lets give this gay man (liked to live in Europe) credit for speaking out in the 1950s when there was repression and doxxing done on homos- commies. Of course *doxxing* is the other way now.

    James Baldwin has a strange attraction for ugly white women. My guess is that he has the negro-philiac appeal of being ‘exotic’, but the homosexuality makes him non-threatening.

    Here’s a guardian article about a self-hating American woman who moved to Istanbul because of him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/unlearning-the-myth-of-american-innocence

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    A friend of mine once had the following phone conversation in 1987:

    My Friend: "Hi, is L. there?"

    Lady at the other end: "Who? Nevermind. I can't take a message. James Baldwin just died!"

    [Click]

    , @CCZ
    Next to your referenced article is this young woman's tribute to ungratefulness:

    "The ungrateful refugee: ‘We have no debt to repay.’"

    "Dina Nayeri was just a child when she fled Iran as an asylum seeker. But as she settled into life in the US and then Europe, she became suspicious of the idea that refugees should shed their old identities and be eternally thankful."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-ungrateful-refugee


    My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered.

    But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories. Even if we remain a bunch of ordinary Iranians, sometimes bitter or confused. Even if the country gets overcrowded and you have to give up your luxuries, and we set up ugly little lives around the corner, marring your view. If we need a lot of help and local services, if your taxes rise and your street begins to look and feel strange and everything smells like turmeric and tamarind paste, and your favourite shop is replaced by a halal butcher, your schoolyard chatter becoming ching-chongese and phlegmy “kh”s and “gh”s, and even if, after all that, we don’t spend the rest of our days in grateful ecstasy, atoning for our need.

     

    , @Clyde
    Not that bad and I give credit to her that it was long and coherent. And moving to Istanbul years after James Baldwin died
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  93. @DFH
    James Baldwin has a strange attraction for ugly white women. My guess is that he has the negro-philiac appeal of being 'exotic', but the homosexuality makes him non-threatening.

    Here's a guardian article about a self-hating American woman who moved to Istanbul because of him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/unlearning-the-myth-of-american-innocence

    A friend of mine once had the following phone conversation in 1987:

    My Friend: “Hi, is L. there?”

    Lady at the other end: “Who? Nevermind. I can’t take a message. James Baldwin just died!”

    [Click]

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    That's some memory of a phone conversation, Steve. Especially since it happened back in the dark ages before the Internet existed. And they actually had phones way back in '87? Simply amazing. Guess it wasn't so backwards back then.
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  94. “By dissembling our true feelings, we keep the strategic edge.”

    -Al Swearengen, Deadwood

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  95. @Bill Jones
    The big question is " How long will white men continue to fund this crap?"

    The stupidity of some whites is boundless.

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  96. @DFH
    James Baldwin has a strange attraction for ugly white women. My guess is that he has the negro-philiac appeal of being 'exotic', but the homosexuality makes him non-threatening.

    Here's a guardian article about a self-hating American woman who moved to Istanbul because of him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/unlearning-the-myth-of-american-innocence

    Next to your referenced article is this young woman’s tribute to ungratefulness:

    “The ungrateful refugee: ‘We have no debt to repay.’”

    “Dina Nayeri was just a child when she fled Iran as an asylum seeker. But as she settled into life in the US and then Europe, she became suspicious of the idea that refugees should shed their old identities and be eternally thankful.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-ungrateful-refugee

    My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered.

    But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories. Even if we remain a bunch of ordinary Iranians, sometimes bitter or confused. Even if the country gets overcrowded and you have to give up your luxuries, and we set up ugly little lives around the corner, marring your view. If we need a lot of help and local services, if your taxes rise and your street begins to look and feel strange and everything smells like turmeric and tamarind paste, and your favourite shop is replaced by a halal butcher, your schoolyard chatter becoming ching-chongese and phlegmy “kh”s and “gh”s, and even if, after all that, we don’t spend the rest of our days in grateful ecstasy, atoning for our need.

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    Don't forget the screams of white girls as they are raped by her compatriots next door, or the dying white people stabbed or blown up in the road while she snootily marches past pointedly staring at her smartphone. Basic human obligations indeed.

    She has to go back, of course. The concept of 'refugee' is long since intellectually and morally bankrupt.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Seems like just the type of guest you don't want.

    One should muse that this was the entire range of problems we embraced when we thought that humans have rights just for living and breathing and pooping.

    , @bomag

    what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks.
     
    As Daniel Chieh noted, once you start acknowledging basic human obligations, the grifters of the world start holding out gigantic container ships of "need" that the responsible people of the world are supposed to stop and fill.

    If I'm obligated to let her into my house, I would think she has the obligation not to burn it down, but I guess it doesn't work that way.
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  97. @Anonymous
    So Donna and friends are reading this? I suspected as much!

    In that case, Donna, you need to confront your white supremacy! (The ACLU did it.. get with the program...)
    I followed Steve's link to your intro message...

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    ...and what do I see but a bunch of naked white chicks!

    In this day and age, do you really think that a naked redhead is the avatar of beauty? You seem to have commissioned a rendition of Botticelli's Venus, but why demand that all the chicks have pale skin and red hair? Maybe that was just Botticelli's cishet whiteman fetish? Do Greeks even have pale skin and red hair? Why not a fro? Why not a big butt?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo

    "Red beans and rice didn't miss her!"

    (Sort of OT: Is 0:03 where "Becky" comes from? Or did that preexist? "Becky" looks a bit like Ivanka...)

    It has always seem strange to me that Blacks say “thick” instead if “fat”

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  98. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    Wow, I think you’re not surrendering fast enough though. Is there some way you can surrender faster? More thoroughly? Perhaps they then will spare you along with your wife’s black son.

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  99. @CCZ
    Next to your referenced article is this young woman's tribute to ungratefulness:

    "The ungrateful refugee: ‘We have no debt to repay.’"

    "Dina Nayeri was just a child when she fled Iran as an asylum seeker. But as she settled into life in the US and then Europe, she became suspicious of the idea that refugees should shed their old identities and be eternally thankful."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-ungrateful-refugee


    My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered.

    But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories. Even if we remain a bunch of ordinary Iranians, sometimes bitter or confused. Even if the country gets overcrowded and you have to give up your luxuries, and we set up ugly little lives around the corner, marring your view. If we need a lot of help and local services, if your taxes rise and your street begins to look and feel strange and everything smells like turmeric and tamarind paste, and your favourite shop is replaced by a halal butcher, your schoolyard chatter becoming ching-chongese and phlegmy “kh”s and “gh”s, and even if, after all that, we don’t spend the rest of our days in grateful ecstasy, atoning for our need.

     

    Don’t forget the screams of white girls as they are raped by her compatriots next door, or the dying white people stabbed or blown up in the road while she snootily marches past pointedly staring at her smartphone. Basic human obligations indeed.

    She has to go back, of course. The concept of ‘refugee’ is long since intellectually and morally bankrupt.

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  100. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Because no non-white set foot in Britain til ca.1600's or so. And even if one did, this professor is building a false narrative that United Colors of Benetton always existed in Europe pre-colonial era. It's not like this tactic is working: "Ok guys, let's make the non-whites feel good and tell them that blacks always existed in Europe for thousands of yrs. That way more of them will want to take these classics classes and maybe even some might go on to major in them." There was a professor some yrs ago who deconstructed the whole "Black Athena" thing, now it has to be done again, only this time in Britain? Seriously?

    You'd think that "safe spaces" could also apply to classical studies. And classical history is about as SWPL as one can get. Literally.

    There’s a children’s book series called “The Roman Mysteries” which ticks nearly all the boxes, set in Ancient Rome and written by a nice AngloAmerican lady with an MA in Hebrew.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lawrence

    “The series is about a Roman girl called Flavia and her three friends: Nubia (a freed slave girl), Jonathan (a shunned Jewish boy) and Lupus (a beggar boy without a tongue).”

    White girl, African girl, Jewish boy, disabled boy. Now I imagine all of those existed in Rome (were there many free sub-Saharans?), it just seems unlikely this would be a typical group of friends.

    She’s now writing Westerns, I wonder what unlikely combinations will arise there?

    ” In March 2010, Lawrence was commissioned to write another history mystery series of books called The Western Mysteries, set in Virginia City, Nevada Territory in the early 1860s.”

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    YetAnotherAnon-- I have to admit that's hard to beat, but I'm going to raise and call with the Scots writer Jane Stevenson and her "Winter Queen" trilogy, which is an account of Elizabeth Stuart (recently widowed and deposed queen of Bohemia) and her affair with an manumitted African slave who also happens to be a physician. The second book follows the rather domestic adventures of the fruit of their union (with Aphra Behn making an obligatory appearance) while the third skips to the present day Caribbean where intrepid researchers suddenly uncover the real Stuart claimant to the throne, a couple of centuries after Bonnie Prince Charlie made his thunder run on London.

    At any rate, I understand all the h8 that poor, daft Mary Beard has brought upon herself, but at the same time the desire to find unusual people in unusual places has a long history. Two centuries before Barry Fell, the Welsh "bard"/conman Iolo Morganwg (aka Edward Williams) inspired any number of proto-nationalist Welshman to hie into American backcountry looking for the famous "white Indian" descendants of the 11th C. Madoc--the poor Mandan of the High Plains should have opened up a B&B specializing in bison cheese rarebit.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    There were very few, if any, sub-Saharans in Rome at all during this time. There was such a thing as the desert (Sahara) and it wasn't easy to cross in those days. And forget traveling to the interior of Africa, didn't happen and wouldn't until about 2-300yrs ago. So its basically telling kids historical lies in the service of multi-culti, PC diversity.

    Speaking of naming the kid Lupus, I'd think that the Lupus foundation would file a lawsuit vs the company putting out this kind of book as its very disciminatory vs. Lupus sufferers.
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  101. I really don’t get these people. What’s the point of being a classicist if you dislike Western culture so intensely?

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  102. @anonymous
    I don't get it . . . There were black negro Roman Britons, yet Shakespeare "never met a Jew" ?

    Jews were expelled from England and Wales by Edward I in the 13th(?) century, and were allowed back in by Cromwell, so they would have been few and far between (and not ‘out’) in Shakespeare’s day.

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  103. Donna Zuckerberg’s site is closed off from the outside world. That is, one cannot leave a comment or even send an e-mail to the alleged “editors.” Donna senses (correctly) that she and her site would be mercilessly mocked and ridiculed if users could actually interact and communicate. She’s skulking somewhere in Palo Alto, begging her contributors from “Women’s Studies” and “Whiteness Studies” departments to come up with some new material.

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  104. Ancient times were a refugee for historians in communist countries. Recent times were dangerous to write about, you could anger the Party. So if you didn’t want to write lies Ancient History and Middle Ages was a safe space for you.

    This new revolution seems to be much more comprehensive and there are no places where you can hide from billionaires sisters.

    In other words you could hide from Marxist dialectic in misadventures of beggars and villains of medieval Paris but race… race is eternal.

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  105. O Sailer! My Sailer!

    All this semantical mansplaining would not end well – if you were McCoskey’s colegue on Miami University (Ohio), whose foundations, btw, were first laid by an Act of Congress signed by toothless slave owner named Washington G.

    The Classic Harpies would have disassembled you alive.

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  106. Much of feminism is a shit test of men. Could Lady Zuck’s jihad against whites when it comes to the classics or modern life be a way to shit test men and see if a strong one will tell her to just shut up?

    As looney as the views in her magazine may be, they indicate what will be taught to future students.

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  107. @Mr. Anon
    Scholars Against Grammar.

    Didn’t you know that English Grammar exemplifies “White Privilege” and is therefore used to make those speaking Spanglish and Ebonics feel bad about themselves? Since making people feel bad has been criminalized of late as a “hate crime”, moving forward we have no option but to integrate the de facto grammars and vocabularies of Spanglish and Ebonics into the official lexicon of English.

    Trust me, white students will feel enriched in their university experience (a positive feeling) by learning how to speak to their Hispanic and black associates in their own tongues. Most important, this supports the axiom buttressed by current law and practice that all languages, peoples, genders, sexual orientations, cultures, and religions are equal.

    Equality for the masses … “From each according to Xher ability … to each according to Xher needs.”

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  108. @Anonymous
    So Donna and friends are reading this? I suspected as much!

    In that case, Donna, you need to confront your white supremacy! (The ACLU did it.. get with the program...)
    I followed Steve's link to your intro message...

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    ...and what do I see but a bunch of naked white chicks!

    In this day and age, do you really think that a naked redhead is the avatar of beauty? You seem to have commissioned a rendition of Botticelli's Venus, but why demand that all the chicks have pale skin and red hair? Maybe that was just Botticelli's cishet whiteman fetish? Do Greeks even have pale skin and red hair? Why not a fro? Why not a big butt?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo

    "Red beans and rice didn't miss her!"

    (Sort of OT: Is 0:03 where "Becky" comes from? Or did that preexist? "Becky" looks a bit like Ivanka...)

    ” Our goal is to model a Classics that is ethical, diverse, intersectional, and especially feminist.”

    (…)

    “Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy, and those ideologies exert a powerful gravitational pull on the discipline’s practitioners.”

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    Holly Zeus, Mary , and Joseph!

    to model (v tr) :

    1.to create a representation or copy of something, often on a smaller scale, or to base your method of behavior on another person or procedure.
    2. to make conform to a standard of excellence.
    3. to display
    4. (in psychology ) to exhibit (a behavior) in such a way as to promote the establishment of similar patterns of behavior in another.

    How do you disassemble model Classics and still expect to be accepted as a serious scholar ?

    bored identity is sorry, but Mark Elliot Sugarhill’s First Sister is nothing but a classic retconing twat with an unlimited amount of money to be spent on projects undermining the very same society that embraced her wretched ancestors.

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  109. @JerryC
    One does wonder how a "woke classics online periodical" is funded. Surely not through ad sales.

    An online periodical is cheap to run since it’s nothing but a website. It’s the old-fashioned ones with actual paper that are expensive.

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  110. @Anonymous
    One of these general-audience articles from academia defending the BBC cartoon lets slip that the Romans sent soldiers to far-flung locations so they wouldn't have conflicting loyalties. So you end up with "Syrians" in ancient Britain.

    Diversity was the Roman's empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire's thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.

    Diversity was the Roman’s empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire’s thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.

    Tremendous observation.

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  111. People, why are there not more comments at the Eidolon article? They publish comments without previewing them — likely because they have a small group of readers and a history of “go grrllll” comments. Their comments are like a Facebook page where a woman posts a photo so all the other women can say “so pretty!”

    The authors also seem to read them, again because they are usually just tossing the same ball back and forth. Well, our esteemed host commented there in his usual gentlemanly way. I posted in a very ungentlemanly way, and my comment has survived over night at least (and gotten one up vote).

    Go there. Comment. Be mean, be harsh, be savage. Even a one liner like “this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read” will be a dart in the heart of the author who has likely never had a second of push-back. It’s only affirmation for these people in their bubble world. These anti-white traitors need to shouted down.

    Folks, it’s our job to make that woman cry. Now get to it.

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  112. @YetAnotherAnon
    There's a children's book series called "The Roman Mysteries" which ticks nearly all the boxes, set in Ancient Rome and written by a nice AngloAmerican lady with an MA in Hebrew.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lawrence

    "The series is about a Roman girl called Flavia and her three friends: Nubia (a freed slave girl), Jonathan (a shunned Jewish boy) and Lupus (a beggar boy without a tongue)."

    White girl, African girl, Jewish boy, disabled boy. Now I imagine all of those existed in Rome (were there many free sub-Saharans?), it just seems unlikely this would be a typical group of friends.

    She's now writing Westerns, I wonder what unlikely combinations will arise there?

    " In March 2010, Lawrence was commissioned to write another history mystery series of books called The Western Mysteries, set in Virginia City, Nevada Territory in the early 1860s."

    YetAnotherAnon– I have to admit that’s hard to beat, but I’m going to raise and call with the Scots writer Jane Stevenson and her “Winter Queen” trilogy, which is an account of Elizabeth Stuart (recently widowed and deposed queen of Bohemia) and her affair with an manumitted African slave who also happens to be a physician. The second book follows the rather domestic adventures of the fruit of their union (with Aphra Behn making an obligatory appearance) while the third skips to the present day Caribbean where intrepid researchers suddenly uncover the real Stuart claimant to the throne, a couple of centuries after Bonnie Prince Charlie made his thunder run on London.

    At any rate, I understand all the h8 that poor, daft Mary Beard has brought upon herself, but at the same time the desire to find unusual people in unusual places has a long history. Two centuries before Barry Fell, the Welsh “bard”/conman Iolo Morganwg (aka Edward Williams) inspired any number of proto-nationalist Welshman to hie into American backcountry looking for the famous “white Indian” descendants of the 11th C. Madoc–the poor Mandan of the High Plains should have opened up a B&B specializing in bison cheese rarebit.

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    Here's a head-up on the latest bit of celluloid historical retconning. We now know (thanks to Titanic and The King's Speech) that upper-class Brits need the presence of a rough-edged Colonial to loosen up, whether it be Kate Winslet unloosing her stays or George VI cursing like a trooper to cure his stammer (which is actually how screenwriter David Seidler cured his stammer).

    We had the widowed Queen Victoria falling for her ghillie John Brown in 1997's Mrs Brown. Now Victoria and Abdul is about to be released, in which Her Imperial Majesty comes over all Martin Luther Queen against her racist courtiers, who are miffed that young Indian servant Abdul Karim has won the affection and regard of his Empress.

    (Victoria was both strait-laced, self-willed, and passionately affectionate. After Albert's death this affection had few outlets)
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  113. @CCZ
    Next to your referenced article is this young woman's tribute to ungratefulness:

    "The ungrateful refugee: ‘We have no debt to repay.’"

    "Dina Nayeri was just a child when she fled Iran as an asylum seeker. But as she settled into life in the US and then Europe, she became suspicious of the idea that refugees should shed their old identities and be eternally thankful."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-ungrateful-refugee


    My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered.

    But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories. Even if we remain a bunch of ordinary Iranians, sometimes bitter or confused. Even if the country gets overcrowded and you have to give up your luxuries, and we set up ugly little lives around the corner, marring your view. If we need a lot of help and local services, if your taxes rise and your street begins to look and feel strange and everything smells like turmeric and tamarind paste, and your favourite shop is replaced by a halal butcher, your schoolyard chatter becoming ching-chongese and phlegmy “kh”s and “gh”s, and even if, after all that, we don’t spend the rest of our days in grateful ecstasy, atoning for our need.

     

    Seems like just the type of guest you don’t want.

    One should muse that this was the entire range of problems we embraced when we thought that humans have rights just for living and breathing and pooping.

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  114. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    I’ve noted before – you don’t actually need a majority to be in power. Why is it that the Jewish are constantly accused of being in power, despite having no great numbers?

    The issue ultimately is one of solidarity, and whites really do not seem to have any. Its either full on and impractical LARP Nazism, or cuckoldry; the idea of a balanced, defensive identity doesn’t seem to be present.

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    It's present in some Whites who didn't grow up in the West.

    I have a colleague who's an eastern european immigrant. We frequently bemoan the current invasion of Europe (and that of the rest of the Western world too). He holds extremely sane, common sense ideas about identity and immigration. He's not self-hating in the slightest. On the other hand, he kind of surprised me in how hostile he was to the whole chartlottesville crowd. He has no time at all for that stuff and he finds it very shocking. Also, being eastern european he doesn't really get the whole absolute freedom of speech thing.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    It doesn't even require solidarity, merely a lack of the original-sin fueled deference. If European-Americans could assert themselves and their views openly with self-confidence, then there wouldn't be a problem. The very fact that whitemale faces and voices are so very unwelcome, that they are compelled to deploy all kinds of strawmen (and women) of various colors to speak on their behalf in order to avoid disqualifying accusations of privilege or racism explains everything.

    So instead they've been muzzled out of resignation or out of fear for being unpersoned. Had it been a person of color or a sexual minority who had published James Damore's treatise, there might have been a conversation instead at Google of the purge. By now it's obvious to any whitemales that his opinions are not just not valued but actively denigrated & repressed

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  115. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    So if there’s going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn’t interested in picking up and fleeing,

    Dude, you can’t do these or any other things if you are permanently out of power. So the whole paragraph is moot. Worse, the things you are suggesting are just “do our masters’ bidding even harder.” Getting more toleranter and universalistical isn’t the answer. If you can’t see that paper protections as embodied in things like muh constitution are completely worthless at this point, then you need that cataract surgery really, really badly.

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  116. @anonymous

    Arguing about building a wall now is like arguing about closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten out.
     
    No, it's not. If you think the game is up because of 40 years of massive, demographic-altering immigration and having cultural marxists poison the educational system, then you don't have what it takes to save our culture.

    A couple of items to recall from many throughout history:

    1) The Spanish had to fight for 700 years before they liberated their entire nation. Seven hundred years!! The entire history of British America barely goes back 400 years.

    2) Seventy plus years of marxist thought-policing in Russia took its toll. But we are now seeing green shoots of Christianity and relatively healthy attitudes concerning human behavior vis-a-vis the West. Are they out of the woods yet? No, but I doubt people from the 1970s would have envisioned what has happened.

    Things change. History is rarely a straight line. So long as you have the ability to resist, resist.

    People reading this blog probably won't see it, but we owe the future generations a fighting chance. Reducing the problem, or at the least throttling it back, will benefit greatly those to follow.

    Excellent point.

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  117. Sorry if this has been said before, but classics is a dying field. It’s all about whites, and certain parts of it (like Greek philosophy) are all about dead white males. Obviously, this is a problem today, so along come people like Donna Zuckerberg, who is trying to make it seem as though classics isn’t really all about whites. This will please no one. People on the right will despise the distorting of the truth, while people on the left will barely be impressed. After all, if you are young and want to be multicultural, you would look at African-American history, women’s studies, or something Islamic. The last thing you would think of would be classics.

    Classics is dying, and this gambit by Zuckerberg and friends won’t help.

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  118. George Bush made the same “error” though from his delivery I think it was on purpose:

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  119. @Anonymous
    One of these general-audience articles from academia defending the BBC cartoon lets slip that the Romans sent soldiers to far-flung locations so they wouldn't have conflicting loyalties. So you end up with "Syrians" in ancient Britain.

    Diversity was the Roman's empire strength. Because Diversity was better at keeping native populations under the empire's thumb. It all sounds very contemporary.

    Hold it. The Middle East isn’t Africa. Second of all, only Roman citizens could serve in the army, at least up til the late Empire stages. So its highly unlikely that “Syrians” would’ve been in Britain. Also, with all the archeological digs and findings, all one has to do is compare the DNA of Britons from 2,000 yrs ago and notice that, nope, no Syrians were there during that time.

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    This classics professor will get you woke:

    https://thepetrifiedmuse.blog/2015/09/06/what-have-the-syrians-ever-done-for-us/


    What have the Syrians ever done for us…?

    ... Things took a dramatic turn this week due to the power that comes with masterfully arranged images – a medium so much more immediate and full of impact than any text can ever be.

    ... The photos of Aylan Kurdi’s corpse may well prove to have been a game changer.
     

    Unlike the photos of the intact corpses of kids in Nice, Barcelona, Sweden, heretofore masterfully unarranged for mainstream propaganda purposes...

    ... Barathes, the Syrian in Roman Britain, has done something beautiful. He acquired, freed, and married a girl from Britain, whose life had taken a disastrous turn – becoming a slave, either as a result of Roman campaigns or as a result of her family’s poverty (or greed) in uncertain times. He, as the tombstone suggests, gave her dignity, safety, and made her his queen, not only in name.

    Times have changed a lot. Regina’s story is one that, nowadays, happens on a daily basis in Syria, in Palmyra, in the war-torn Near East, under the vicious regime of ISIS fighters and other parties.

    Who will save those people from their predicament and restore their well-being and dignity?

    Who will be their Barathes?
     

    Um... some noble ISIS recruit pulled from the far reaches of its empire -- like, say, Britain? Have I got the analogy right?
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  120. @YetAnotherAnon
    There's a children's book series called "The Roman Mysteries" which ticks nearly all the boxes, set in Ancient Rome and written by a nice AngloAmerican lady with an MA in Hebrew.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lawrence

    "The series is about a Roman girl called Flavia and her three friends: Nubia (a freed slave girl), Jonathan (a shunned Jewish boy) and Lupus (a beggar boy without a tongue)."

    White girl, African girl, Jewish boy, disabled boy. Now I imagine all of those existed in Rome (were there many free sub-Saharans?), it just seems unlikely this would be a typical group of friends.

    She's now writing Westerns, I wonder what unlikely combinations will arise there?

    " In March 2010, Lawrence was commissioned to write another history mystery series of books called The Western Mysteries, set in Virginia City, Nevada Territory in the early 1860s."

    There were very few, if any, sub-Saharans in Rome at all during this time. There was such a thing as the desert (Sahara) and it wasn’t easy to cross in those days. And forget traveling to the interior of Africa, didn’t happen and wouldn’t until about 2-300yrs ago. So its basically telling kids historical lies in the service of multi-culti, PC diversity.

    Speaking of naming the kid Lupus, I’d think that the Lupus foundation would file a lawsuit vs the company putting out this kind of book as its very disciminatory vs. Lupus sufferers.

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  121. @Steve Sailer
    A friend of mine once had the following phone conversation in 1987:

    My Friend: "Hi, is L. there?"

    Lady at the other end: "Who? Nevermind. I can't take a message. James Baldwin just died!"

    [Click]

    That’s some memory of a phone conversation, Steve. Especially since it happened back in the dark ages before the Internet existed. And they actually had phones way back in ’87? Simply amazing. Guess it wasn’t so backwards back then.

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  122. @LKM
    Is Jewish Israel a dangerously misguided dream?
    Chinese China?
    Somali Somalia?

    Of course not. Those are examples of healthy vibrant diversity.

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  123. Steve isn’t this where you tell us its a class war not a race war?

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  124. @Anonymous
    Too bad you can't say anything harsh on this blog without getting whimmed!

    Sometimes our betters really deserve it, Steve!

    Old timers remember the blogspot days when acknowledging the (((coincidences))) would get your post whimmed.

    But hey its a class war not a race war m I rite?

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  125. @CCZ
    The core value of "ideological diversity ... is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression..." Ideological diversity is "morally bankrupt" says Ms. Z.

    From the description of the new progressive mission of Ms. Zuckerberg's "Eidolon."

    Welcome to the New Eidolon!

    "Will this shift lead to a less diverse Eidolon? Our writers always have been, and will continue to be, a diverse group. Our writer pool has excellent diversity of race, age, gender, professional status, and sexuality. We work hard to keep it that way. But we’ve been accused of not being “ideologically diverse.” This charge is a common one, but I think it is misguided, in addition to being morally bankrupt. Making ideological diversity a primary objective is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression, and we choose to prioritize the latter."

     

    https://eidolon.pub/welcome-to-the-new-eidolon-3b8a4230da5b

    At least I now know for sure the "core value" of Mark and Donna Z.

    Jonathan Haidt’s efforts with the Heterodox Academy and ideological diversity in general seem futile.

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  126. @Daniel Chieh
    I've noted before - you don't actually need a majority to be in power. Why is it that the Jewish are constantly accused of being in power, despite having no great numbers?

    The issue ultimately is one of solidarity, and whites really do not seem to have any. Its either full on and impractical LARP Nazism, or cuckoldry; the idea of a balanced, defensive identity doesn't seem to be present.

    It’s present in some Whites who didn’t grow up in the West.

    I have a colleague who’s an eastern european immigrant. We frequently bemoan the current invasion of Europe (and that of the rest of the Western world too). He holds extremely sane, common sense ideas about identity and immigration. He’s not self-hating in the slightest. On the other hand, he kind of surprised me in how hostile he was to the whole chartlottesville crowd. He has no time at all for that stuff and he finds it very shocking. Also, being eastern european he doesn’t really get the whole absolute freedom of speech thing.

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  127. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I really wish I could share your optimism.

    While I certainly don't object to the wall and I don't think it's a complete waste of time, I do believe there are other priorities that one might undertake that might yield a greater preservation effect.

    Nevertheless I'm convinced it's just too late and we're just waging a losing battle, no matter how worthy and righteous. Let's be honest. They had been predicting that by 2019 the majority of children born in the US would be "babies of color." Whoops we already passed that milestone ahead of schedule in 2016.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    Trying to stop the brown tide from taking over the United States is like the blinkered climate panic fools who think we can stop the climate from changing by cutting emissions. Both problems are really quite simple if one get past the myopia and recognize that they're simple math problems that require grasping the difference between stocks and flows. Even if we are totally brutal and ruthless and reduce all immigration to zero we still have this immense stock of people who may or may not turn out to be antagonistic to the nation's heritage & values. I'm not necessarily as reflexively hostile to immigrants as many others in this forum. Even assuming the newcomers enjoy comparable endowment of natural gifts that would enable them and their progeny to negotiate the competitive demands of American society as well as those who were already here, there is no guarantee that they will eventually identify with the history, culture, values, norms and institutions that enable society to function together. If Americans don't have the stomach for genuine ruthless ethnic cleansing, going so far as deporting diversity... even the naturalized citizens and their offspring, then they're going to have to figure out how to get the newcomers to identify with the constituting elements of our nation, the history, culture, values, norms and institutions. At present, America's newcomers have a bunch of treacherous traitors so foul as welcome wagon whispering in their ears, "America hates you and is nothing but racism and oppression. These values are not yours, reject them and any assimilation. Join us your fellow vibrant people of color in rising up in revolution to take what is owed us."

    If we can't keep the ones who already here from turning into Anti-American partisans & revolutionaries, that wall will do precious little but reduce the flow of reinforcements. But since their natural multiplication is already dominating demographics, that would be no decisive factor.

    Last weekend, those young men were chanting, "You will not replace us!" I hate to be defeatist, but the numbers confirm all the smug lefties who've been gloating "The future is brown and black!" These fellas have ALREADY been replaced. Their progeny can look forward to a permanent ethno-left governing majority. Even if the descendants of European-American heritage can hold on a while longer thanks skillful leveraging of constitutional rules, eventually the majority will rise up and demand modifications that guarantee decisions better reflect the will of the majority. How many more "Electoral College Majority" but "Popular Vote Minority" Presidents until the masses find it intolerable? "There is no stopping the progressive revolution any more and the final solution to erase the sin of white racism through their dispossession and purging them from the nation's establishment and future."

    So if there's going to be a caste system and the descendants of European immigrants are going to be permanently out of power, there only a few things left to do if one isn't interested in picking up and fleeing, 1) Try to make Americans out of the newcomers so that they will appreciate some of the things and institutions that have made it special so they have a stake in their preservation. Combat the toxic agenda of the revolutionaries who seek to draft any and all newcomers in their battle to discard American institutions in order to overturn and replace the establishment. 2) A radically divided multicultural society probably avoid the fate of toxic identity politics & factionalism. At least try to teach the newcomer majorities a sense of grace and fairness so when they do rule over your people, it's not too oppressive. 3) Finally, while less of a protection but as a possible final safeguard, anchor explicit guarantees of liberty & privileges for ALL minorities that can't easily be eroded by future majorities or the liberal interpretations of revolutionary-minded judges. 4) Also consider the distinct possibility that your tribe isn't nearly well adapted or selected for the demands of the coming society and falls behind as one of the lower loser castes. Given the very brief 50 years experience of genuine competition with peoples of various races, it's very easy to extrapolate to a future when whites join blacks airing grievances about not sharing justly in the society's and economy's rewards. As a potential remedy for this I remain completely stumped...

    If you think your posterity will have a say in America's future as "white citizens," wake up. Your progeny WILL likely eventually be browned if the lines are continued at all. The present mania for "Brown Skin & Brown Eyes Good; Blond Hair & Blue Eyes Bad" will probably only continue and escalate. Finally your descendants, should you have any, will eventually be as indifferent to the loss of whatever particular present American heritage we currently cherish as the current autochthon English or Pakistani British subjects are to the long-ago replaced Norman, Viking, Saxon and Celtic cultures.

    After the economy collapses, Asians & whites may form an alliance.

    There is another option of ceasing to collect any and all race based statistics. France & Brazil do this to some degree.

    All Brazilians are called Pardo “brown” and the European ones are left alone to mate as they wish.

    They claim there is no racism in Brazil.

    Of course Brazil isn’t an empire waging constant war.

    Alternately we could incentivize leaving. They don’t all need to go home, just enough to maintain a balance. This wouldn’t have to involve violence. End welfare & other free stuff and big part are gone.

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    I am probably not the world's foremost expert on race relations in Huehueistan, but from my experience there is very little racial animus in Brasil, either towards whites or from them. Obviously class correlates highly with race there but they don't obsess over race like we do. They also never had silly "one-drop" laws like the US. They view race on a spectrum there instead of a dichotomy. Their current president is of Lebanese descent and literally no one there cares. Imagine all the stupid rhetoric we would hear from all sides in the US if a Leb ran for Prez.
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  128. @Anonymous
    So Europe was never really white (!) and therefore I'm sure Donna Zuckerberg would agree that Israel and its environs were never really Jewish.

    Amirite?

    Probably not. Any evidence that Donna Z is pro-Israel?

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  129. @CCZ
    Next to your referenced article is this young woman's tribute to ungratefulness:

    "The ungrateful refugee: ‘We have no debt to repay.’"

    "Dina Nayeri was just a child when she fled Iran as an asylum seeker. But as she settled into life in the US and then Europe, she became suspicious of the idea that refugees should shed their old identities and be eternally thankful."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-ungrateful-refugee


    My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered.

    But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories. Even if we remain a bunch of ordinary Iranians, sometimes bitter or confused. Even if the country gets overcrowded and you have to give up your luxuries, and we set up ugly little lives around the corner, marring your view. If we need a lot of help and local services, if your taxes rise and your street begins to look and feel strange and everything smells like turmeric and tamarind paste, and your favourite shop is replaced by a halal butcher, your schoolyard chatter becoming ching-chongese and phlegmy “kh”s and “gh”s, and even if, after all that, we don’t spend the rest of our days in grateful ecstasy, atoning for our need.

     

    what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks.

    As Daniel Chieh noted, once you start acknowledging basic human obligations, the grifters of the world start holding out gigantic container ships of “need” that the responsible people of the world are supposed to stop and fill.

    If I’m obligated to let her into my house, I would think she has the obligation not to burn it down, but I guess it doesn’t work that way.

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  130. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I like it.

    Inspiring.

    Courage & stoicism indeed.

    Observe all the energy, frustration and rage just itching for blood in the street. The readiness to fight is apparent among many. But I can't imagine spilling blood advancing goals as satisfying as many might find it. On the contrary, that would energize any rivals to tighten the yoke and muzzle that already burden.

    How can any of you imagine channelling the energy into resisting or building something worthwhile?

    Concrete measures and activities please...

    Building a business?
    Mentoring young people?

    I'd already resigned and "exited" politically.

    In my city, fewer than 8% voted for Trump. (That's less than San Francisco or Chicago!)
    On my city's council, and congressional district it's not quite a one party rule. There are no Republicans on the ballot but one can choose from Black Power, Maoists, Greens or ordinary Socialists. Everything is SJW diversity Überalles 24-7ö whitemales NOT very welcome.

    Stay and fight?
    Wish me luck.

    Maybe like Dear St. Joan, our descendants won't forget me as a martyr for the cause.

    In my city, fewer than 8% voted for Trump. (That’s less than San Francisco or Chicago!)

    Then there is Berkeley. Trump finished in third place at 3.2%: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2016-11-25/article/45173

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  131. Perhaps we need to stop banal talk of whites being “anti-white” because of the dialectical movement over the centuries of Calvinism from predestination to atheism … albeit with Calvinists inexplicably holding tightly to moral guilt for everything that has gone wrong with anything somewhere.

    I’ll offer three other possibilities:

    1. Sexual Deviance. There is a definite bent toward sadomasochism in whites from Northern Europe. They take turns exploring sadism and masochism … controlling and being controlled in extremis. Perhaps they do this because they need an emotional release from living in societies totally in the grip of rigid cultural expectations, which is the downside to high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. If you have ever been an expat who washed their car in Germany on a Sunday morning, you know what I mean. Other evidence? Their pornography.

    2. Industrial Pollution. Western industrial society not only invented systematic massacre on an industrial scale, the idiots also ended up poisoning themselves with the offal from industrial pollution. Birth control pills masculinize the female brain, unleashing legions of barren feminists serviced by legions of dykes. Low-T male (“cucks”) try to socially function and fail within the chemical stew in which food and water supplies and almost everything else are contaminated with estrogenic compounds. We know that sperm counts are a fraction of what they were in the early to mid-19th Century. Perhaps it doesn’t matter what sperm counts are when one finds masculinized females and feminized males meeting in an androgynous Never-Never Land, only to discover that they genuinely detest each other.

    3. Bad Parenting. The anti-social “hippies” of the 1960s and 1970s had kids … who had kids … who had kids. Kids learn from example. Each generation was more self-centered and narcissistic than the last. At some point, the narcissism expressed itself in the realization that having kids was a pain-in-the-butt by people who had previously been kids. It’s this simple: Kids interfere with enjoying SWPL so make your choice. Raise a child or enjoy travel to exotic places and matched BMWs in the driveway … it’s one or the other. Yes, our current social dissimulation is the result of bad parenting exacerbated in succeeding generations by a positive feedback loop.

    But perhaps it is not a question of choosing. Perhaps the social dystopia within which we struggle is a result of all four of these dynamics — secularism, sexual deviance, industrial pollution, bad parenting — embroiled in a cosmic stew of Biblical proportions.

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    I imagine that you're the only person ever to visit this website who has washed his car in Germany on a Sunday morning, so please explain what the heck you mean.
    , @Roderick Spode
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4XhhTF7vRM

    Yes, you really do sound this stupid.
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  132. Will Mark Z disavow the appalling Jewish Supremacist views of his sister? Or will he say “both sides have good people”?

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    "Jewish Supremacist views"

    More like ethnomasochist and anti-white views, the proponents of which, while disproportionately Jews and those descended from Jews are nonetheless (a) not exclusively so and (b) not loyal to or at all representative of Judaism. Unfortunately, many of these culturally corrosive individuals cite their perverted understanding of Judaism as a basis for their views. Last I checked, more than a few non-Jewish ethnomasochists, SJWs and Cultural Marxists likewise claim support for their views in Christianity. This is not a uniquely Jewish phenomenon.

    Not all who are anti-white are Jews and not all Jews are anti-white.
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  133. @TheJester
    Perhaps we need to stop banal talk of whites being "anti-white" because of the dialectical movement over the centuries of Calvinism from predestination to atheism ... albeit with Calvinists inexplicably holding tightly to moral guilt for everything that has gone wrong with anything somewhere.

    I'll offer three other possibilities:

    1. Sexual Deviance. There is a definite bent toward sadomasochism in whites from Northern Europe. They take turns exploring sadism and masochism ... controlling and being controlled in extremis. Perhaps they do this because they need an emotional release from living in societies totally in the grip of rigid cultural expectations, which is the downside to high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. If you have ever been an expat who washed their car in Germany on a Sunday morning, you know what I mean. Other evidence? Their pornography.

    2. Industrial Pollution. Western industrial society not only invented systematic massacre on an industrial scale, the idiots also ended up poisoning themselves with the offal from industrial pollution. Birth control pills masculinize the female brain, unleashing legions of barren feminists serviced by legions of dykes. Low-T male ("cucks") try to socially function and fail within the chemical stew in which food and water supplies and almost everything else are contaminated with estrogenic compounds. We know that sperm counts are a fraction of what they were in the early to mid-19th Century. Perhaps it doesn't matter what sperm counts are when one finds masculinized females and feminized males meeting in an androgynous Never-Never Land, only to discover that they genuinely detest each other.

    3. Bad Parenting. The anti-social "hippies" of the 1960s and 1970s had kids ... who had kids ... who had kids. Kids learn from example. Each generation was more self-centered and narcissistic than the last. At some point, the narcissism expressed itself in the realization that having kids was a pain-in-the-butt by people who had previously been kids. It's this simple: Kids interfere with enjoying SWPL so make your choice. Raise a child or enjoy travel to exotic places and matched BMWs in the driveway ... it's one or the other. Yes, our current social dissimulation is the result of bad parenting exacerbated in succeeding generations by a positive feedback loop.

    But perhaps it is not a question of choosing. Perhaps the social dystopia within which we struggle is a result of all four of these dynamics -- secularism, sexual deviance, industrial pollution, bad parenting -- embroiled in a cosmic stew of Biblical proportions.

    Anyone want to place bets on the outcome?

    I imagine that you’re the only person ever to visit this website who has washed his car in Germany on a Sunday morning, so please explain what the heck you mean.

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    Germans wash meticulously their cars inside out. Including the engine.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    There are certain things one does not do at all or on Sunday, because that's a day of rest.

    Lawnmowing is also taboo on Sunday or Holidays.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/love-thy-neighbor-german-law-tells-you-how-a-416736.html

    https://anwaltauskunft.de/magazin/leben/freizeit-alltag/1766/darf-man-sonntags-rasen-maehen/
    , @TheJester
    Northern Europeans tend to be strict conformists ... the very strict expectations with respect to social behavior that feed their high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. This extreme conformity is common in Germany, Britain (at least among the ethnic British), the low countries, and Scandinavia.

    If German neighbors see you washing your car on Sunday morning, they will let you know in a number of ways that you have violated a universally accepted yet unstated social rule. Sunday is "family day". You don't work or labor. You (may) go to church but afterward, you go to the Gasthaus to eat with your family. You will not wash your car on Sundays.

    I recently had a conversation with an officer in the German Embassy in Washington DC. She had married an American and spent 20 years living in the United States. I related my stories about Germany. She agreed and said one thing she liked about the United States was the freedom to decide for yourself when you washed your car ... even if it was Sunday morning.

    I also recently ran across an Internet short in which an American touring Germany related he was dressed down by Germans for crossing the street against a "Do Not Walk" sign even though there was no traffic in either direction. Americans do this ... Germans don't.

    Here is another personal experience ... albeit this time in Britain. We were staying in a hotel. We went down for breakfast. The sign said, "Reservations Required." There was no one in the restaurant. The maître de nonetheless refused to seat us because we did not have a reservation. I went outside the door, picked up the phone, and made a reservation. I retraced the ten steps to the maître de who immediately seated us in the otherwise empty restaurant.

    The lesson is that there is a cost to living high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. You conform and follow the social rules ... or face the consequences.
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  134. @Thea
    After the economy collapses, Asians & whites may form an alliance.

    There is another option of ceasing to collect any and all race based statistics. France & Brazil do this to some degree.

    All Brazilians are called Pardo "brown" and the European ones are left alone to mate as they wish.

    They claim there is no racism in Brazil.

    Of course Brazil isn't an empire waging constant war.

    Alternately we could incentivize leaving. They don't all need to go home, just enough to maintain a balance. This wouldn't have to involve violence. End welfare & other free stuff and big part are gone.

    I am probably not the world’s foremost expert on race relations in Huehueistan, but from my experience there is very little racial animus in Brasil, either towards whites or from them. Obviously class correlates highly with race there but they don’t obsess over race like we do. They also never had silly “one-drop” laws like the US. They view race on a spectrum there instead of a dichotomy. Their current president is of Lebanese descent and literally no one there cares. Imagine all the stupid rhetoric we would hear from all sides in the US if a Leb ran for Prez.

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  135. In the bad old days, Donnna Z. and Eileen McCoskey wouldn’t have graduated in a serious Classical Studies department. I bet they can’t even read Latin, much less Greek. I know for a fact my old teachers would have encouraged them to study something else somewhere else far away and not poison the Classics with their menstrual B. S.. “Get married and have children! Or get thee to a nunnery!”
    Out-of-control women and gelded men are creating half of our civilizational problems.

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    Classics, to me, means one name above all others: Revilo P. Oliver.

    "What would Dr. Oliver Do?" should be our guiding principle.
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  136. @JerryC
    One does wonder how a "woke classics online periodical" is funded. Surely not through ad sales.

    When your brother is the world’s richest person under 40, a few grand a year to run some shitty SJW blog probably isnt a big deal.

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  137. If only people who advocate and promote anti-white ideals, goals and policies could be made to actually practice what they preach; to lead by personal example; to prove that that their vociferous insistence upon race-denialism is not mere virtual-signaling on their part but reflective of their sincere beliefs.

    Insist that we must welcome “refugees” from third-world hellholes (often war-torn by the very “Invade the World” policies that are advocated by more than a few of the very same individuals who advocate the very suicidal “Invite the World” policies under discussion here)? Okay, you first. You must live among said “refugees”, smack-dab in the middle of the very neighborhoods that are overwhelmingly populated by such “wretched refuse”.

    Insist that the practical, manifestly realistic, personal safety-ensuring advice given by John Derbyshire in his infamous 2012 piece The Talk: Nonblack Version is nothing more than hateful, “racist”, hate-filled hate-speech? That all of Derb’s points contained therein are easily exposed as utterly fallacious and without any basis in reality? And that the “screed” therefore only “spews” and serves to promote vile, hateful bigotry and hate? Okay, then go prove it. Prove just how wrong each and every piece of said advice is by actively defying it.

    We’ll wait…

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  138. @anon
    Something is seriously wrong with the British psyche. And they ARE the indigenous population of Britain too. Imagine the Cherokees or Cree saying that 2,000 years ago their tribes contained great numbers of whites.......

    It’s not “the British psyche”. It’s nothing like it. It’s the BBC.
    Whose whole raison d’ is utterly smothering any hint of the vile and worthless opinions of the natives. You will never ever hear them, unless you (1) go to Blighty (2) talk to them face to face, which is why Britain appears so strange and otherwordly to the rest of the planet. Not your fault, since you have only the BBC to go on.
    Even the museums are nobbled in the interests of multicult and socialism. Which is why they hide most of the collections these days and replace them with screeds of RightThink text and videos, unlike the comparatively intellectually honest Victorians who just shoved it all out there for the public to ponder.
    “Archaeotainment”, the jaded and morose contract diggers call it, in the case of this nasty little racist cartoon series, and the blustering Beard’s hopelessly out-of-date (sell-by; 1976) perorations. Pretty lies about history. For the greater good. How clever!
    And you lot (foreigners) will never see anything else from the Septic Isle. Not permitted.

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  139. @Dave Pinsen
    Right. I only followed this kerfuffle casually, but I got the sense that a lot of it rested on weaseling the definition of words like "diversity" and "African". That there may have been an occasional Carthaginian trader in Roman Britain doesn't mean one was likely to see a Sub-Saharan African there.

    If you’re from Africa, you’re Wesley Snipes-black. End of story.

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  140. @Clyde
    And after all the lies and the double talk... 1976 from back when American ran trade surpluses.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAj2iX9xqCo

    That was before the “new” Greenspan who discovered Keynesianism, and his even worse mutant quantitative cancer offspring. Good times.

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  141. @AndrewR
    Will Mark Z disavow the appalling Jewish Supremacist views of his sister? Or will he say "both sides have good people"?

    “Jewish Supremacist views”

    More like ethnomasochist and anti-white views, the proponents of which, while disproportionately Jews and those descended from Jews are nonetheless (a) not exclusively so and (b) not loyal to or at all representative of Judaism. Unfortunately, many of these culturally corrosive individuals cite their perverted understanding of Judaism as a basis for their views. Last I checked, more than a few non-Jewish ethnomasochists, SJWs and Cultural Marxists likewise claim support for their views in Christianity. This is not a uniquely Jewish phenomenon.

    Not all who are anti-white are Jews and not all Jews are anti-white.

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    "Not all who are anti-white are Jews and not all Jews are anti-white."

    Well, duh. No one claimed otherwise. But an ethnomasochist Jew would want to harm Jews. Wanting to harm whites doesn't make a Jew an ethnomasochist, but rather an ethnosadist.
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  142. @BB753
    In the bad old days, Donnna Z. and Eileen McCoskey wouldn't have graduated in a serious Classical Studies department. I bet they can't even read Latin, much less Greek. I know for a fact my old teachers would have encouraged them to study something else somewhere else far away and not poison the Classics with their menstrual B. S.. "Get married and have children! Or get thee to a nunnery!"
    Out-of-control women and gelded men are creating half of our civilizational problems.

    Classics, to me, means one name above all others: Revilo P. Oliver.

    “What would Dr. Oliver Do?” should be our guiding principle.

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  143. @AndrewR
    I imagine that you're the only person ever to visit this website who has washed his car in Germany on a Sunday morning, so please explain what the heck you mean.

    Germans wash meticulously their cars inside out. Including the engine.

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  144. @AndrewR
    I imagine that you're the only person ever to visit this website who has washed his car in Germany on a Sunday morning, so please explain what the heck you mean.

    There are certain things one does not do at all or on Sunday, because that’s a day of rest.

    Lawnmowing is also taboo on Sunday or Holidays.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/love-thy-neighbor-german-law-tells-you-how-a-416736.html

    https://anwaltauskunft.de/magazin/leben/freizeit-alltag/1766/darf-man-sonntags-rasen-maehen/

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  145. @Daniel Chieh
    I've noted before - you don't actually need a majority to be in power. Why is it that the Jewish are constantly accused of being in power, despite having no great numbers?

    The issue ultimately is one of solidarity, and whites really do not seem to have any. Its either full on and impractical LARP Nazism, or cuckoldry; the idea of a balanced, defensive identity doesn't seem to be present.

    It doesn’t even require solidarity, merely a lack of the original-sin fueled deference. If European-Americans could assert themselves and their views openly with self-confidence, then there wouldn’t be a problem. The very fact that whitemale faces and voices are so very unwelcome, that they are compelled to deploy all kinds of strawmen (and women) of various colors to speak on their behalf in order to avoid disqualifying accusations of privilege or racism explains everything.

    So instead they’ve been muzzled out of resignation or out of fear for being unpersoned. Had it been a person of color or a sexual minority who had published James Damore’s treatise, there might have been a conversation instead at Google of the purge. By now it’s obvious to any whitemales that his opinions are not just not valued but actively denigrated & repressed

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    I'm pretty sure that I would have been purged just the same if I published the same memo. Perhaps that worked awhile ago, but the spiraling leftist insanity has left it behind: its rapidly looking to make scalps out of anyone who isn't transgenderluid on the farthest edge of deviance.
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  146. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it. The Middle East isn't Africa. Second of all, only Roman citizens could serve in the army, at least up til the late Empire stages. So its highly unlikely that "Syrians" would've been in Britain. Also, with all the archeological digs and findings, all one has to do is compare the DNA of Britons from 2,000 yrs ago and notice that, nope, no Syrians were there during that time.

    This classics professor will get you woke:

    https://thepetrifiedmuse.blog/2015/09/06/what-have-the-syrians-ever-done-for-us/

    What have the Syrians ever done for us…?

    … Things took a dramatic turn this week due to the power that comes with masterfully arranged images – a medium so much more immediate and full of impact than any text can ever be.

    … The photos of Aylan Kurdi’s corpse may well prove to have been a game changer.

    Unlike the photos of the intact corpses of kids in Nice, Barcelona, Sweden, heretofore masterfully unarranged for mainstream propaganda purposes…

    … Barathes, the Syrian in Roman Britain, has done something beautiful. He acquired, freed, and married a girl from Britain, whose life had taken a disastrous turn – becoming a slave, either as a result of Roman campaigns or as a result of her family’s poverty (or greed) in uncertain times. He, as the tombstone suggests, gave her dignity, safety, and made her his queen, not only in name.

    Times have changed a lot. Regina’s story is one that, nowadays, happens on a daily basis in Syria, in Palmyra, in the war-torn Near East, under the vicious regime of ISIS fighters and other parties.

    Who will save those people from their predicament and restore their well-being and dignity?

    Who will be their Barathes?

    Um… some noble ISIS recruit pulled from the far reaches of its empire — like, say, Britain? Have I got the analogy right?

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  147. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Right. I only followed this kerfuffle casually, but I got the sense that a lot of it rested on weaseling the definition of words like "diversity" and "African". That there may have been an occasional Carthaginian trader in Roman Britain doesn't mean one was likely to see a Sub-Saharan African there.

    http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/the-forum/2017/07/28/how-diverse-was-roman-britain/

    … the emperor Septimius Severus (himself in fact an African, from Libya) was inspecting his troops on [Hadrian's] Wall when one of the garrison’s well-known jokers, an ‘Ethiopian’, offered him a garland.

    Severus was startled by the apparent omen, associating the soldier’s black colour as a portent of his own imminent death, but no-one seems to have been particularly surprised at the presence of an ‘Ethiopian’ (that is, a black African) at the northern edge of the Roman empire (Hist. Aug. Severus 22).

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  148. @TheJester
    Perhaps we need to stop banal talk of whites being "anti-white" because of the dialectical movement over the centuries of Calvinism from predestination to atheism ... albeit with Calvinists inexplicably holding tightly to moral guilt for everything that has gone wrong with anything somewhere.

    I'll offer three other possibilities:

    1. Sexual Deviance. There is a definite bent toward sadomasochism in whites from Northern Europe. They take turns exploring sadism and masochism ... controlling and being controlled in extremis. Perhaps they do this because they need an emotional release from living in societies totally in the grip of rigid cultural expectations, which is the downside to high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. If you have ever been an expat who washed their car in Germany on a Sunday morning, you know what I mean. Other evidence? Their pornography.

    2. Industrial Pollution. Western industrial society not only invented systematic massacre on an industrial scale, the idiots also ended up poisoning themselves with the offal from industrial pollution. Birth control pills masculinize the female brain, unleashing legions of barren feminists serviced by legions of dykes. Low-T male ("cucks") try to socially function and fail within the chemical stew in which food and water supplies and almost everything else are contaminated with estrogenic compounds. We know that sperm counts are a fraction of what they were in the early to mid-19th Century. Perhaps it doesn't matter what sperm counts are when one finds masculinized females and feminized males meeting in an androgynous Never-Never Land, only to discover that they genuinely detest each other.

    3. Bad Parenting. The anti-social "hippies" of the 1960s and 1970s had kids ... who had kids ... who had kids. Kids learn from example. Each generation was more self-centered and narcissistic than the last. At some point, the narcissism expressed itself in the realization that having kids was a pain-in-the-butt by people who had previously been kids. It's this simple: Kids interfere with enjoying SWPL so make your choice. Raise a child or enjoy travel to exotic places and matched BMWs in the driveway ... it's one or the other. Yes, our current social dissimulation is the result of bad parenting exacerbated in succeeding generations by a positive feedback loop.

    But perhaps it is not a question of choosing. Perhaps the social dystopia within which we struggle is a result of all four of these dynamics -- secularism, sexual deviance, industrial pollution, bad parenting -- embroiled in a cosmic stew of Biblical proportions.

    Anyone want to place bets on the outcome?

    Yes, you really do sound this stupid.

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  149. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To modify Moldbug, this vague-to-the-point-of-meaningless White Supremacy Nazi Voodoo is the perfect enemy for liberals, as it seems to exist in saturation and can never be defeated everywhere whites remain. A Marin/Oakland dynamic duo in Congress just introduced a no-hope gesture amendment taking away Stephen Miller’s and Sebastian Gorka’s salaries:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/348006-dems-launch-effort-to-cut-off-white-house-salaries-for-gorka-and-miller

    But I gather this type of thing happened a bunch during the previous admin, whenever there was publicity around the Blackety-Black House bringing on some idle Weatherman or Soledad Brother to serve chief Twitter supervisor. Anyway, Gorka just quit a few hours ago so that’s now moot.

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  150. @Dave Pinsen
    Famous British classicist Mary Beard is onboard with the dissembling project. She got pummeled by Nasim Taleb for defending this BBC portrait of diverse Roman Britain.
    https://twitter.com/IcomOfficiel/status/897397650525491200

    I don’t see a response to that tweet by Nassim Taleb. Link?

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  151. @Sertorius
    YetAnotherAnon-- I have to admit that's hard to beat, but I'm going to raise and call with the Scots writer Jane Stevenson and her "Winter Queen" trilogy, which is an account of Elizabeth Stuart (recently widowed and deposed queen of Bohemia) and her affair with an manumitted African slave who also happens to be a physician. The second book follows the rather domestic adventures of the fruit of their union (with Aphra Behn making an obligatory appearance) while the third skips to the present day Caribbean where intrepid researchers suddenly uncover the real Stuart claimant to the throne, a couple of centuries after Bonnie Prince Charlie made his thunder run on London.

    At any rate, I understand all the h8 that poor, daft Mary Beard has brought upon herself, but at the same time the desire to find unusual people in unusual places has a long history. Two centuries before Barry Fell, the Welsh "bard"/conman Iolo Morganwg (aka Edward Williams) inspired any number of proto-nationalist Welshman to hie into American backcountry looking for the famous "white Indian" descendants of the 11th C. Madoc--the poor Mandan of the High Plains should have opened up a B&B specializing in bison cheese rarebit.

    Here’s a head-up on the latest bit of celluloid historical retconning. We now know (thanks to Titanic and The King’s Speech) that upper-class Brits need the presence of a rough-edged Colonial to loosen up, whether it be Kate Winslet unloosing her stays or George VI cursing like a trooper to cure his stammer (which is actually how screenwriter David Seidler cured his stammer).

    We had the widowed Queen Victoria falling for her ghillie John Brown in 1997′s Mrs Brown. Now Victoria and Abdul is about to be released, in which Her Imperial Majesty comes over all Martin Luther Queen against her racist courtiers, who are miffed that young Indian servant Abdul Karim has won the affection and regard of his Empress.

    (Victoria was both strait-laced, self-willed, and passionately affectionate. After Albert’s death this affection had few outlets)

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    There's a very charming vignette in The Crown where the Queen Mother is charmed by an Old Scot who momentarily doesn't recognize who she is (or more likely couldn't imagine himself in her company).
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  152. @Desiderius

    But even that doesn’t fully account for her racial self-hatred.
     
    Is this "self-hatred" delusion some kind of sperg thing?

    She doesn't hate herself - she's so full of herself she's about to burst! She's not "white" - deracination is the price of admission to her class.

    Who sets the price? Who’s the ticket vendor? Who’s the ticket taker?

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    Who sets the price? Who’s the ticket vendor? Who’s the ticket taker?
     
    It's the nature of empires.
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  153. @Dissident
    "Jewish Supremacist views"

    More like ethnomasochist and anti-white views, the proponents of which, while disproportionately Jews and those descended from Jews are nonetheless (a) not exclusively so and (b) not loyal to or at all representative of Judaism. Unfortunately, many of these culturally corrosive individuals cite their perverted understanding of Judaism as a basis for their views. Last I checked, more than a few non-Jewish ethnomasochists, SJWs and Cultural Marxists likewise claim support for their views in Christianity. This is not a uniquely Jewish phenomenon.

    Not all who are anti-white are Jews and not all Jews are anti-white.

    “Not all who are anti-white are Jews and not all Jews are anti-white.”

    Well, duh. No one claimed otherwise. But an ethnomasochist Jew would want to harm Jews. Wanting to harm whites doesn’t make a Jew an ethnomasochist, but rather an ethnosadist.

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  154. @Anonymous
    Who sets the price? Who's the ticket vendor? Who's the ticket taker?

    Who sets the price? Who’s the ticket vendor? Who’s the ticket taker?

    It’s the nature of empires.

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  155. @YetAnotherAnon
    Here's a head-up on the latest bit of celluloid historical retconning. We now know (thanks to Titanic and The King's Speech) that upper-class Brits need the presence of a rough-edged Colonial to loosen up, whether it be Kate Winslet unloosing her stays or George VI cursing like a trooper to cure his stammer (which is actually how screenwriter David Seidler cured his stammer).

    We had the widowed Queen Victoria falling for her ghillie John Brown in 1997's Mrs Brown. Now Victoria and Abdul is about to be released, in which Her Imperial Majesty comes over all Martin Luther Queen against her racist courtiers, who are miffed that young Indian servant Abdul Karim has won the affection and regard of his Empress.

    (Victoria was both strait-laced, self-willed, and passionately affectionate. After Albert's death this affection had few outlets)

    There’s a very charming vignette in The Crown where the Queen Mother is charmed by an Old Scot who momentarily doesn’t recognize who she is (or more likely couldn’t imagine himself in her company).

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  156. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    It doesn't even require solidarity, merely a lack of the original-sin fueled deference. If European-Americans could assert themselves and their views openly with self-confidence, then there wouldn't be a problem. The very fact that whitemale faces and voices are so very unwelcome, that they are compelled to deploy all kinds of strawmen (and women) of various colors to speak on their behalf in order to avoid disqualifying accusations of privilege or racism explains everything.

    So instead they've been muzzled out of resignation or out of fear for being unpersoned. Had it been a person of color or a sexual minority who had published James Damore's treatise, there might have been a conversation instead at Google of the purge. By now it's obvious to any whitemales that his opinions are not just not valued but actively denigrated & repressed

    I’m pretty sure that I would have been purged just the same if I published the same memo. Perhaps that worked awhile ago, but the spiraling leftist insanity has left it behind: its rapidly looking to make scalps out of anyone who isn’t transgenderluid on the farthest edge of deviance.

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  157. @AndrewR
    I imagine that you're the only person ever to visit this website who has washed his car in Germany on a Sunday morning, so please explain what the heck you mean.

    Northern Europeans tend to be strict conformists … the very strict expectations with respect to social behavior that feed their high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. This extreme conformity is common in Germany, Britain (at least among the ethnic British), the low countries, and Scandinavia.

    If German neighbors see you washing your car on Sunday morning, they will let you know in a number of ways that you have violated a universally accepted yet unstated social rule. Sunday is “family day”. You don’t work or labor. You (may) go to church but afterward, you go to the Gasthaus to eat with your family. You will not wash your car on Sundays.

    I recently had a conversation with an officer in the German Embassy in Washington DC. She had married an American and spent 20 years living in the United States. I related my stories about Germany. She agreed and said one thing she liked about the United States was the freedom to decide for yourself when you washed your car … even if it was Sunday morning.

    I also recently ran across an Internet short in which an American touring Germany related he was dressed down by Germans for crossing the street against a “Do Not Walk” sign even though there was no traffic in either direction. Americans do this … Germans don’t.

    Here is another personal experience … albeit this time in Britain. We were staying in a hotel. We went down for breakfast. The sign said, “Reservations Required.” There was no one in the restaurant. The maître de nonetheless refused to seat us because we did not have a reservation. I went outside the door, picked up the phone, and made a reservation. I retraced the ten steps to the maître de who immediately seated us in the otherwise empty restaurant.

    The lesson is that there is a cost to living high-trust, beyond-kin altruistic societies. You conform and follow the social rules … or face the consequences.

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  158. @Anonymous
    Anyone else think this here "dissembling" could be a gerund? And by "finish" she means "end" rather than "complete"?

    That is, she wants classicists to stop treating European history as self-consciously white history (or whatever she's saying; I haven't really read it) because that's like playing footsie with the horribly racist contemporary ideal of a white Europe.

    It's not like these types have a reputation for writing clearly.

    Agreed. I think Steve is pulling a bit of a boner on this. Dissemble is like. Finish is end.

    She wants to put an end to lying white rightist behavior.

    [Note, I am generally more in sympathy with Steve. I just think he did not read the passage properly.]

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  159. @Anonymous
    Anyone else think this here "dissembling" could be a gerund? And by "finish" she means "end" rather than "complete"?

    That is, she wants classicists to stop treating European history as self-consciously white history (or whatever she's saying; I haven't really read it) because that's like playing footsie with the horribly racist contemporary ideal of a white Europe.

    It's not like these types have a reputation for writing clearly.

    “like” = lie.

    (typo)

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  160. Rumors are going around on GeenStijl that the Amsterdam Centraal car incident a while back was not a medical incident as police have reported.

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  161. White people never existed, they do not exist today, and they must be destroyed.

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  162. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I'm certainly ready to "cowboy up" but I don't really see what the objective of the battle could be. If being an ethnic minority is considered final loss, then we've already lost. Two choices: Ruthless ethnic cleansing of the territory, by force or by bribe or Flight from the territory as so many Americans have done before. As both the Colonies and the Frontier, when Americans (and future Americans) considered it impossible to create and steward a community for them and their posterity, they up and left. Were they cowards for not fighting to mandate their peculiar culture on a dominant majority population? No the Pilgrims, Mormons, etc all just picked up and left. That's the American way. The colonists didn't try to change the Crown or Great Britain. No, they declared independence and tried to make their own show. Even the admirable independent spirit of the southern states knew they couldn't persuade and win against their regional rivals in the north, so they embraced the same spirit of independence and breaking away that has been the common thread throughout American history.

    A European friend used to joke, "American's don't solve problems; they leave them behind." While he didn't quite mean it out of admiration, I've come to appreciate and admire that revolutionary spirit of not being tied down to dumpster fires. Sometimes it's not worth fighting and it's better off building anew. Perhaps the paranoia and depression and self-pity so common to our situation can be transformed into something optimistic and constructive. Rather than battling old windmills like silly Don Quixote by trying to reconquer the news & entertainment media, academia, the courts, the SJW corporations, it might be easier to retreat to a peaceful hospitable community where one can focus on prospering, flourishing and making babies. Rod Dreher alludes to this fantasy with his Benedict Option. Even if the fantasy of potential perfection tempts, eventually one will have to work, defend and preserve the imperfect mortal reality. So it might be ending up back at the same situation: Fight and Preserve / or / Flee and Reinvent.

    White flight: the cowardly rationalisation. That’s what your comment basically is.

    The main problem with your ‘start anew’ theme is that there isn’t a place on earth, save Greenland maybe, where you can do that. At some point you have to stand and fight, and actually start gaining ground on *their* turf than continually retreat.

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  163. In the end, it doesn’t matter what Donna Zuck thinks.

    It’s rap music, sports, and jungle fever that will do it.

    It’s like Roman gladiator sports turned blacks into stars ,and that led to all the interracism.

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  164. @DFH
    James Baldwin has a strange attraction for ugly white women. My guess is that he has the negro-philiac appeal of being 'exotic', but the homosexuality makes him non-threatening.

    Here's a guardian article about a self-hating American woman who moved to Istanbul because of him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/unlearning-the-myth-of-american-innocence

    Not that bad and I give credit to her that it was long and coherent. And moving to Istanbul years after James Baldwin died

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  166. “Dissembling”‘ is what Mark does when he puts his public face on.

    Much more interesting – and telling – to keep an eye on Weird Sister Donna, who glories in the kind of “disassembling” of white civilization, scorched earth and all, that Mark quietly intends to deliver on, by and by. And she doesn’t mind telling you so, either.

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  167. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    More virtue signaling a la "You didn't build that". When does the retort finally come "OK, then who did build that? Who did?"

    The reply to Barry’s initial “You didn’t build that” should have been “Well it certainly wasn’t some shiftless Kenyan”

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  168. @Jason Liu
    Purge academia. The media is the left's mouth, and academia is the left's brain. Aim for the head.

    If Trump knew what he was doing, he'd defund as much of it as legally possible, not pursue pointless foreign wars. There are several venues to do this under a democratic system, so it's not beyond the pale.

    If the alt-right knew what it was doing, they would publicly delegitimize leftist scholars by name, so these people would fear for their reputation anytime they opened their mouths, while getting the public to question academia as an authority for 'facts'. Since the alt-right rarely resorts to direct action in the real world, I suggest writing articles primed for SEO, so they show up immediately in a Google search, thereby leading to public doubt over leftist credibility.

    Using Mary Beard as an example:

    - "Mary Beard's Devotion to Pseudo-history Should Worry Historians Everywhere"
    - "Western Academia has a Credibility Problem - and Mary Beard is the Latest Example"
    - "Why the Public Humiliation of Mary Beard was Necessary"
    - "Is Mary Beard's Twitter Meltdown Based on Accurate History?"

    And so on. Don't go on and go about how she may or may not be a Jew (she isn't), or congratulate each other over how you're homeschooling your kids. That shit has zero impact in the culture wars.

    The GOP has control over all three branches of 25 State Governments.
    Everybody should be all over these clowns demanding to know why the lunatic left in the schools are still being funded.
    Parallel action should be to start running ads in each district explicitly looking for candidates willing to
    defund the Antifa and primary the incumbent.
    Explicit boycotts (and demo’s against) of anybody who contributes to the incumbent would help too

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