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A book review in the New York Times:

SHE HAS HER MOTHER’S LAUGH
The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity
By Carl Zimmer
656 pp. Dutton. $30.

Reviewed by Jennifer Raff

Jennifer Raff is a geneticist who writes a science column for The Guardian.
May 31, 2018

… “She Has Her Mother’s Laugh” particularly shines when it comes to engaging with the notion of race, a topic once again pushed to the forefront of public discourse. In recent years, we have seen the publication of numerous popular books purporting to tackle the “forbidden” issue of the biological basis of race. Many have been riddled with scientific errors, uninformed by history or lacking in nuance and clarity when discussing interpretations of patterns of human genetic variation. Zimmer’s book is a refreshing antidote. He details the history of scientific racism and explains the meaning (and lack of meaning) of genetic differences between people and populations in a way that is both accurate and accessible to nonscientists.

 
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  1. Well, we know you’ve just got to read it, Steve, so get back to us when you have waded through some of the stupidity contained therein. We’ll have snarky comments at the ready.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  2. Today’s Daily Mail also has a review of a new book on genetics and human achievement called Superhuman, by Rowan Hooper: <a title=”"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-5792553/Fascinating-new-book-reveals-takes-superhuman.html"LINKhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-5792553/Fascinating-new-book-reveals-takes-superhuman.html"LINK

    Key paragraph:

    But, as an evolutionary biologist, Hooper is persuasive in arguing that the genetic element in extreme performance is generally underestimated, or, at least, it is in the many popular American books with titles such as Talent Is Overrated.

    May also be worth a look.

  3. res says:

    Doesn’t Sound Too Promising …

    I don’t know. It sounds like possibly great iSteve fodder…

    What on Earth does he have to say on the topic that takes 656 pages though?!

  4. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:

    Big and Little Miss Muffett are a good case study to me. We have photos of both and of the father (Sir Ray Davies of the Kinks) at varying ages. (Oddly enough, pictures of NRH before about 23 are missing completely from the public domain because BigLMM made the decision to keep her girls utterly out of the limelight, and had some Gavin de Becker type people around to make it so. )

    “Her mother’s spit and dab’ is the common comment on YouTube of news videos of Natalie.
    In fact, she’s prettier than her mother, but the resemblance is strong.

    I think these are at the same age, within a year or two.

    And yes, both are mad as hatters-and I’d bet both are 130+ IQ.

    • Replies: @Anon
  5. Anon[656] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m reading it. It’s kind of a slog.

    Part I is a rewrite of Stephen Jay Gould’s Mismeasure of Man. Stephen Rose is quoted, without being identified as an old-guard Marxist fringie in any way.

    Rose says that genetic and environmental influences are inextricably intertwined and any distinction meaningless, using the example of the disease PKU. This a a genetic disease, that renders you a retard. It can be controlled if diagnosed at birth and if the patient is only fed a special powder as his only food for his entire life.

    To Rose, this shows that environment controls IQ. After all the environment of a lifetime powder diet makes you normal (this isn’t actually true, but it improves your life). An environment of cheeseburgers and salads and fish and what not is just an arbitrary environment. Chemical powder food land is just as legitimate an environment. So who’s to say you have a genetic problem. Maybe cheeseburger-world residents who cannot subsist on ballpoint pens are the one’s who are defective. It’s all relative.

    This is an extreme overextension of the corn grows taller, Japanese are taller, and so on, environmental arguments. PKU is clearly a genetic defect. Beyond that, corn (and Japanese) grow best in good environments, but they don’t grow to 30 feet in any environment. And different types of corn (and different groups of humans) have different heights in their ideal environments.

    I’m sure that there are ideal envirnments for white and Asian and black IQ, but that doesn’t mean the relative maximum IQs will be the same. And it’s hard to believe that the environments differ that much at this point, in any way that would permanently affect IQ to such a large degree. Maybe Rose thinks there is some yet undiscovered powder diet, or hair pomade, or toenail cream that if used by blacks will equalize their IQs with whites if they use it their entire lives.

    Part II of the book is like a high school science text. I’m plowing through it hoping that Part III is better.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    , @pyrrhus
    , @Buffalo Joe
  6. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sorry about the botched link.

    I would have cleaned it up, but there seems to be a bug in the Unz discussion board code.

    That is, when you’re the first commenter on a post, and hit ‘Publish Comment’, the comment disappears, so there’s no way to see if something’s gone wrong, or to get into the edit mode to fix it.

    The comment still appears on the board after the obligatory five minutes, though.

    • Replies: @res
  7. J.Ross says: • Website

    Re mental gymnastics in talking about race

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/173623960/pol-as-mind-control

    This is a glow-in-the-dark shill thread hoping to propagate the idea that “perhaps pol is the real echo chamber” and “perhaps russian hackers who doubt the perfection of globalism and neocon wars are the real ShareBlue shills.” Toward the end the poster identified as pink nmM5r… frequently demonstrates the current nonsense cant: yes there are racial differences, but that doesn’t mean that the races are different; yes whites and North East Asians benefitted from wintry climes, but that must be compared to and indeed erased by the hypothetical of them not having experienced that cold. It’s elementary school level nonsense but this is the actual establishmentarian position. This is what I expect to see more of as it becomes harder to deny.

  8. CCZ says:

    “Carl Zimmer is an award-winning New York Times columnist and the author of 13 books about science.”

    Here is the author’s explanation of why he wrote the book, from an entry at his page in the National Association of Science Writers web site:

    I set out to write a book about heredity because the word has puzzled me for a long time. It’s very familiar to us all. No one asks for a definition of heredity, the way they might for mitosis or parthenogenesis. It has many different meanings to people, but heredity often refuses to fit neatly into any of them.

    A grant from the Sloan Foundation helped support my time away from regular magazine work and some travels to report the book. I went to laboratories across the country, learning how some researchers are tracing back our Neanderthal DNA as others learn how to override Mendel’s Law. I also went to historical sites, such as a home for the “feeble-minded” in New Jersey where American eugenics burst into full bloom. I also used myself as a guinea pig for the book, inspecting my own genome for clues to what I inherited from my ancestors (Neanderthals and otherwise).

    I ended up doing a lot of research and writing that never made it into the final book. In a perfect world, I wouldn’t have used up so much time on that unseen effort. But after having written thirteen books, I know that this is just the way I have to work.

    https://twitter.com/carlzimmer

    https://carlzimmer.com/

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Stan d Mute
  9. MEH 0910 says:

    Razib Khan’s comment on the book:

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/04/24/open-thread-4-24-2018/

    Finished She Has Her Mother’s Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity. To be honest I was pleasantly surprised that the narrative wasn’t overly fixated on the ‘perversions.’

    Razib does a podcast with Zimmer about the book:

    https://insitome.libsyn.com/she-has-her-mothers-laugh

    This week Spencer and Razib talk to renowned science journalist Carl Zimmer about his new book, She Has Her Mother’s Laugh.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
  10. Lot says:

    Debating with willfully ignorant people about IQ is tiresome. This goes for both the egalitarians and the antisemites.

    Here are some more interesting questions.

    If the selected urban population of Han have the same IQs as Koreans and Japanese, as we see with international testing, could the overall Han genotypical average be lower than other NE asians?

    How about Indonesians and Vietnamese? There are a whole lot of them!

    Why do Indians do so badly in India but well where the British imported them as grunt labor like Fiji?

    Is the typical mestizo peasant immigrant from Mexico smarter than the current wave of central americans? I think so, possibly by a fair amount.

  11. Tiny Duck says:

    Most complex traits, such as height or intelligence, arise out of the intricate, combined action of hundreds of genes and depend strongly on the environmental conditions under which an individual develops. And failing to understand that has had dire results: “At the dawn of the 20th century, scientists came to limit the word heredity to genes. Before long, this narrow definition spread its influence far beyond genetic laboratories. It hangs like a cloud over our most personal experiences of heredity, even if we can’t stop trying to smuggle the old traditions of heredity into the new language of genes.”

    Nurture is much more important than nature

    That is why white men are over represented in certain areas: they have been given an unfair advantage in the world

  12. So… More chicken soup for those who know the ponies are gone but consider the open barn door mere construct.

    • LOL: Forbes
  13. Altai says:

    OT: Is there an iSteve post in this about the Zeitgeist?

    Somewhat famous Arab-American livestreamer with a beard decides to livestream his own life for a day in Seattle. Decides to live dangerously and allows Text To Speech (It’s a common thing which developed that you can donate a certain amount of money and submit a message and the software will have to read it out and now you can link sound effects. It is often used to troll the streamer but they’re typically alone in a room not out in public) and carries a device with a decent speaker volume. Walks into a function at his university and you can just watch what one particularly clever troll decides to do.

    Keep watching, he gets arrested for it. My favourite part is when he goes up to some people after the fire alarm and pretends not to know what’s going on. Also interesting to notice the little clique of women who immediately bolt (Led to a very middle-eastern looking woman. Sephardic Israeli?) before the men even think of considering it anything other than an obvious prank.

    I hope it was worth the $4.20 man, it certainly was for me, funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

    • Replies: @Altai
  14. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tiny Duck

    That is why white men are over represented in certain areas: they have been given an unfair advantage in the world

    Like two responsible parents instead of a deadbeat dad and a slutty mother? In reality, the biggest problem that blacks have is that they are not intelligent enough to realize how destructive their behaviors are to themselves and their families.

  15. CCZ says:
    @Tiny Duck

    “Most complex traits, such as height or intelligence, arise out of the intricate, combined action of hundreds of genes and depend strongly … It hangs like a cloud over our most personal experiences of heredity, even if we can’t stop trying to smuggle the old traditions of heredity into the new language of genes.”

    When you take a whole paragraph from a New York Times book review, at least cite the source and, in this case, give the female author credit for her original writing, unless you want to be known as a misogynistic male supremacist who appropriates the intellectual creativity of women. And the SPLC says that “Male supremacy is a hateful ideology….”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/books/review/she-has-her-mothers-laugh-carl-zimmer.html

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    , @tyrone
  16. Svigor says:

    Guess:

    (((Raff))) telling us what to think about (((Zimmer))).

    • Agree: San Fernando Curt
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  17. Clyde says:
    @Tiny Duck

    A td copy and paste job

  18. Altai says:
    @Altai

    Video’s been taken down. :(

    Some people made their own clips of the incident and the arrest. (Leaving out the great moments with some of the chat submitted songs.) It also means some context is lost, this gathering is for students and faculty from the Sociology department, which makes their reaction to a Arab guy and an obviously fake prank all the more amusing.

    I also think ‘Put your arms to the side like an airplane’ is a good contender for meme of the year. Would the cop have said that to a non-Arab?!

    What’s interesting is that he has done this prank before, but this time he made the mistake of doing it at a university among flighty SJW sociology students.

    • Replies: @Altai
  19. backup says:
    @Tiny Duck

    As always, you’re missing the point, Duckling. It is a blessing that white men are over represented in certain areas. You should cherish it.

  20. Sunbeam says:
    @Anon

    “I’m sure that there are ideal envirnments for white and Asian and black IQ, but that doesn’t mean the relative maximum IQs will be the same. ”

    To go beyond IQ, I’d be curious to see what people’s thoughts are on “Ideal Environments,” including which is best for which group.

    I think blacks utterlydespise Minnesota (and I’d guess Canada’s) environment.

    No one, black, white, or otherwise seems to really be adapted to hot, humid jungle except Pygmies (maybe).

    So for white people… Pacific Northwest? California? Hawaii?

    I imagine Asians (at least North China/Korea/Japan) prefer the same environments as most whites.

    Though Mongol types love, love them some blizzards. And this desert thing… best to leave that to the Navajo’s and Apaches.

    • Replies: @Anon
  21. A pygmy raised on the very best of diets will never grow as tall as a Swahili raised during a famine.

  22. Hodag says:

    I am about 80% done with it. In the beginning there is a lot of necessary throat clearing about how eugenics is bad, Galton was mean, a woman should have won the Noble for the double helix even though she was dead, etc. Some parts were 100% lifted from Wikipedia, such as discussion of Freemartins.

    All that said, it is a very good primer on the subject. I do recommend.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  23. @Lot

    What antisemites have you been talking to? The line I usually hear is that Jews are definitely high IQ and in fact very smart. Taken together with intense tribalism, ethnic networking and alienation from the prevailing order, this is a dangerous combination!

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Svigor
    , @Anonymouse
  24. Altai says:
    @Altai

    Slightly longer clip showing them initially laughing at his TTS and that it was a meeting of the sociology department.

    https://neatclip.com/clip/lvEDXZ63

    Look what happens when he does the same prank in an environment not in a university full of twitchy SJW sociology students but of normal people. One guy runs, everyone else gets it’s an obvious joke.

    https://neatclip.com/clip/XodGrEy2

  25. Sounds like Guns, Germs and Steel, another pseudo scientific book whose primary purpose seemed to be for its Jewish author to try to diminish the accomplishments of White people.

  26. @Tiny Duck

    That is why white men are over represented in certain areas: they have been given an unfair advantage in the world.

    True. Now for the million-dollar question: given to them by who exactly? :D :D

    • Replies: @Olorin
  27. bartok says:
    @Lot

    How about Indonesians and Vietnamese? There are a whole lot of them!

    What % of Vietnamese-Americans are actually Han? I.e. of the boat people, how many were Market-Dominant Minority Han Chinese expelled from Vietnam following the war?

    Or is my pet theory (boat people are Han) easily debunked?

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
  28. Bravery beats high IQ every time. I will take a bunch of 110 IQ people who have balls and bravery over a group of 150 IQ people with no guts nor courage nor fighting spirit.

    America has thrived because of our British Protestant founding stock and subsequent additions of tens of millions of Germans and other European Christians.

    The current WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire is out of gas and a new ruling class will soon take over. Cordial relations with Israel will be necessary to facilitate the peaceful transfer of those Jews in the United States who refuse to go along with the new ruling class.

    Putin famously made the Jew oligarchs an offer they couldn’t refuse: Go along with the program or get the hell out. A Jew oligarch who thought his ill-gotten gains from the privatization schemes were locked in forever was jailed for a decade or more by Putin. Putin punished a few Jew oligarchs to get the other ones to fall in line.

    Something similar will happen in the United States. The new ruling class that will protect and advance the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States will no longer allow CBS/Viacam or NBC/Comcast or ABC/Disney to be controlled by Jews.

    Why should a baby boomer Jew named Bob Iger have all this propaganda power in the United States? Why should Bob Iger be allowed to control ABC/Disney?

    You are a filthy coward if you are White and you won’t call attention to the disproportionate Jew power over the corporate propaganda apparatus. Your nation and civilization are being attacked and destroyed and some of you disgusting cowards won’t tell the truth about what is happening.

    GOD BLESS ITALY AND TO HELL WITH THE EU & ECB!

  29. Hadn’t even completely scrolled down Kevin MacDonald’s Twitter feed when up pops a retweet of Sailer:

    MacDonald says Joy Reid might have stepped on Jew toes in regards to Israel:

  30. songbird says:
    @Lot

    How about Indonesians and Vietnamese? There are a whole lot of them!

    Hard to say if they are representative or not, but based on many Vietnamese acquaintances, I’d say it is believable that they average about 100 or so. Probably not as high as NE Asians, but not low either.

    I honestly haven’t known any Indonesians, but based on the history in that country of affirmative action I wouldn’t put the average IQ as high as the Vietnamese. I don’t think the overseas Chinese would be so monolithically dominant, if they were not substantially smarter – at least a full SD.

    • Replies: @Lot
  31. Mr. Anon says:
    @Svigor

    Really, it’s Raff and Zimmer telling us what to think about ourselves.

  32. Yoohoo says:

    This is what always makes me laugh when my lib friends would complain of Trump “doubling down,” on whatever, while their ilk is FAR more insidious, and detrimental to our nations future with their unscientific, anti-intellectual braying about “social constructs” despite the fact that the evidence is conclusive, race is scientifically identifiable, bell curves are real, and carry expensive and unfortunate social consequences for those nations that ignore it.

    Furthermore, there must be a “Bolshevik Gene” that plagues every race of mankind, creating a subset of humans with an inherent cognitive dissonance gap a mile wide, who carry on creating havoc within every society their sad spawn is jettisoned. They must have some kind of Jungian self-knowledge of their shakey place in the world, which genetically compels them to act out as the “Iago’s” of mankind.

    And they’ll admit to their shape-shifting trickster role in society like Iago would admit to Othello, “ya know what? I am evil personified, and I’m just gonna keep creating havoc based on any slight weakness of yours that I can detect till my last breath, because… I’m Iago, ya dumb fucker! I’m gonna undermine anything good you have planned, simply because I can! I have to! I just do! And if you try to tell me I just said that, I’ll deny it, and make you think you dreamed it!”

  33. Humbles says:
    @eah

    Thank god we have a Yale trained literary theorist to give David Reich the What-for.

  34. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Is the typical mestizo peasant immigrant from Mexico smarter than the current wave of central americans? I think so, possibly by a fair amount.

    Roughly speaking, you can guesstimate the IQ of any hybrid group by averaging the IQ of their component groups. Mexican mestizos (who are roughly 50/50 Indian (mother)/European (father) have IQs that fall half way between Euro and Amerindian IQs. The Central Americans tend to be pure or almost pure Indios so their average IQ is lower.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonymous
  35. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    If the selected urban population of Han have the same IQs as Koreans and Japanese, as we see with international testing, could the overall Han genotypical average be lower than other NE asians?

    While there may be some selection effect (smarter people moving to cities) and the Han themselves are not completely homogeneous (pale northerners vs brownish southern Chinese) the Chinese are not stratified by caste in the way that the Indians are. I am guessing the urban/rural spread in China has more to do with access to education, nutrition, etc. than any genetic differences. In any event, if you have a billion+ people, chances are that the average IQ of the top say 300 million is higher than the average IQ of our entire population.

  36. res says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The bug with comments being invisible and not made available for edit appears to come and go.

    I don’t think it is just the five minute end of the edit window though. The first comment was not visible after I made mine 8 minutes later.

  37. peterike says:

    Speaking of genetics…. Peterike’s Law strikes again, and in classic fashion.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/01/samsonite-ceo-steps-down-after-his-credentials-are-questioned/

    Not that Samsonite is an American company any longer, but that’s another story.

  38. res says:
    @MEH 0910

    I’m not sure how to interpret Razib’s comment. Damning with faint praise or …? Did you listen to the podcast (it is over an hour)? Any thoughts?

  39. Brutusale says:
    @CCZ

    You write like Duckling isn’t a consistent plagiarist. Gender of the author doesn’t matter.

  40. songbird says:

    Chelsea’s political prospects are thankfully pretty low.

  41. Raff, along with Adam Rutherford, are part of the IWD (ideologues with degrees) crowd that argue that race doesn’t exist. His book can be summed up as, “race doesn’t exist because when I was growing up in England, some people called me names that made me feel ‘other,’ and that makes me sad.”

  42. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    I’d guess the mix is 60/40 for Mexico and 80/20 in Central America. But I am also wondering if the Mexican Indians might have evolved higher IQs in their partly urbanized and centralized cool weather mile-high homeland around Mexico city compared to humid tropical Central Americans. They had the Maya civilization too, but the Valley of Mexico appears to have had an organized civilization far longer.

    • Replies: @IBC
    , @Steve Sailer
  43. Lot says:

    Diverse London, where black guys with machetes attack cars on video midday on busy streets. “No arrests made.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/968053/London-Road-Croydon-South-London-cyclist-driver-knife-incident

    Roundup of more stabby diversity here:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/968128/london-news-stabbing-rotherhithe-knife-crime-police

    Story I missed earlier this year: Maine’s first Somali police officer, who majored in Women’s Studies, arrested at a rap concert after assaulting event security and local police.

    http://www.telegram.com/news/20180117/pd-portland-officer-cites-racial-profiling-in-worcester-arrest

    • Replies: @a reader
    , @a reader
  44. Lot says:

    There’s a new based black guy in town who cites Pinker, Jordan Peterson, and Amy Chua:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/coldxman

    https://quillette.com/2018/05/14/the-racism-treadmill/

    • Replies: @res
  45. @CCZ

    Here is the author’s explanation of why he wrote the book, from an entry at his page in the National Association of Science Writers web site:

    Or one could say the reason is that he’s the kind of guy who would Tweet that he welcomed the news that the ebola virus had spread to the US because white Americans deserved it for what we did to the Indians.

  46. @Tiny Duck

    That is why white men are over represented in certain areas: they have been given an unfair advantage in the world

    LOL at the passive voice.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  47. res says:
    @Lot

    There’s a new based black guy in town who cites Pinker, Jordan Peterson, and Amy Chua:

    Thanks for the pointer! A sample from his Quillette article:

    But the premise built into the thinking of Coates and Kendi is false. I call it the disparity fallacy. The disparity fallacy holds that unequal outcomes between two groups must be caused primarily by discrimination, whether overt or systemic. What’s puzzling about believers in the disparity fallacy is not that they apply the belief too broadly, but that they apply it too narrowly. Any instance of whites outperforming blacks is adduced as evidence of discrimination. But when a disparity runs the other way—that is, blacks outperforming whites—discrimination is never invoked as a causal factor.

    Coleman Hughes is an undergrad. Wow.

    He has a new blog here: http://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/
    Glenn Loury chimes in with an approving comment on the first post.

    Another sample of his writing here: https://heterodoxacademy.org/a-tale-of-two-columbia-classes/
    He notices the contrast between two of his philosophy classes in a way I think iSteve readers will appreciate.

    As a second-year undergrad student at Columbia University, I’ve noticed that two of my courses this semester differ greatly. One is a generic introductory philosophy course, in which we read classic papers in the philosophy of mind, identity, and morality. The second philosophy course mainly covered feminist epistemology and queer theory, in which we learn the core principles of intersectional feminism, queer theory, and feminist epistemology.

    I hope we hear more from him.

  48. dearieme says:
    @eah

    How can these people bear to boast of degrees from an institution named after a slave trader?

  49. @Hodag

    Some parts were 100% lifted from Wikipedia, such as….

    Any book about free martinis is okay in my book!

  50. I love when the left mocks the idea that racial differences in intelligence is a forbidden subject and then immediately proceeds to slander anyone associated with said un-forbidden subject.

  51. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you look at genetic surveys, the mix of your typical Mexican mestizo varies greatly by region and class. Overall – taking into account multiple surveys – it looks to be roughly 50-50 for the country as a whole. Mexicans coming here appear to be mostly from the lower, more ‘Indio’ classes/regions. I’m guessing the recent waves of low-skilled Mexican immigrants are not 50-50 Indian-Euro. Probably more like 70-30. By and large, we’re getting their brick layers, not their doctors (who are more likely to be predominantly White).

    When looking at IQ, it’s also important to take into account which studies are several decades old and of people in abject poverty. For example, IQ studies of Mexicans/SE Asians in their home countries a few decades ago may show an average in the high 80s low 90s. However, if you look at studies of the same groups adopted by American middle class families, you’ll get something in the mid 90s or higher. I would take the latter as more accurate. (I doubt a group of Whites raised in the slums of SE Asia or Mexico in the 1980′s would have the same IQs as Whites Americans, though they would still probably have a 5-IQ advantage over the native population).

    I’m not certain, but I would guess the average 50-50 Mestizo raised in the US is going to have a higher IQ than either his counterpart in Mexico or a Mexican that is 80-20 Indian-Euro. An educated guess would put a 50-50 Mestizo born and raised in the US at a 95 IQ and a 70-30 Indian-Euro in the low 90s.

    IQ aside, they have a generally pleasant demeanor being half Mongol. It’s too bad the SJW are teaching them to be resentful and hate Whitey. That, plus their large and growing numbers, is a huge problem. If only Mexicans were under 5% of the population and cultural Marxism didn’t exist I don’t think we’d even be talking about them.

    • Replies: @Lot
  52. a reader says:
    @Lot

    Only a couple of days ago, Sadiq Khan lamented the lack of black cyclists in London.

    We’re quite lucky his call has been heed so quickly !

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @CCZ
    , @Anon
    , @Lot
  53. Why is it that a leftist Member of the Tribe is reviewed by a leftist Member of the Tribe on a subject that the Tribe has fought tooth and nail at least since Franz Boas. There are subjects, e.g. Immigration, on which honest editors ought to ask leftist MoT’s to recuse themselves.

    • Replies: @Karl
  54. CCZ says:
    @a reader

    “The Unbearable Whiteness of Cycling” is obviously a very serious social problem and another example of white privilege, supremacy, and racism. “Racial profiling” and “biking while black” must mean that cycling needs demographic replacement and whites need another “conversation” about race and much more sensitivity indoctrination!

    “Breaking down the barriers to wider participation from black and ethnic minority groups remains the great unconquered goal for British cycling…. In London, a city where a third of the population identifies as black, Asian and minority ethnic, 86% of male cyclists and 94% of female cyclists are white.

    The significance of “race” and white privilege is not only an issue for British cycling and its mass participation goals, but also for the international governing body for cycling – the UCI – whose Cycling for All Manifesto has not yet considered these subtle differences in how black riders experience cycling.

    Until then, those barriers to wider participation from black, Asian and minority ethnic groups will sadly continue to be in place – for recreational cyclists, professional competitors and everyday cyclists both in the UK and beyond.”

    https://theconversation.com/the-unbearable-whiteness-of-cycling-76256

    • Replies: @dr kill
    , @Anon
  55. a reader says:
    @Lot

    Please note how two young men of African ancestry courageously hasten to defuse the situation which I find, as a cyclist, entirely justified.

  56. Lot says:
    @Tim Howells

    Vox Day says US Ashkenazi have IQs of 105 compared to 102 for other white Americans. That’s amazingly dumb since IQ tests are traditionally centered at 100 on white Americans or same-scoring white British. And if you for some reason want to make up your own rule and have the all-US average be 100, white Americans are higher than 102.

  57. Lot says:
    @songbird

    Those would be my guesses for the same reasons. But for such huge groups nobody has really made any big efforts on real estimates.

  58. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Mexico has excellent public education for its income level. I’ve been to poor small towns where people are living in off-grid hovels and the school is the nicest building in town with intelligent mostly male teachers and the kids in uniforms.

    The main problem is the bottom quarter of the population doesn’t attend beyond age 10 or 12. But that too is slowly improving. The giant public university in Mexico City is nearly free, and on a large leafy wooded campus and full of nice modern buildings, and it is good enough the white elites are fine going there.

  59. JamesG says: • Website

    The mention upthread of Stephen Jay Gould and IQ offers me (a run-of-the-mill ninety-ninth percentile guy) an excuse to repost my favorite quote of SJG:

    It’s from the March 29, 1984 issue of The New York Review of Books:

    “I am hopeless at deductive sequencing…I never scored particularly well
    on so-called objective tests of intelligence because they stress logical
    reasoning … “

  60. @MEH 0910

    I listened to most of it. At about 27 minutes in or so Razib asks about the “perversions” of genetics. Zimmer brings up eugenics and Galton and Zimmer end his comment by describing Galton as basically a “reprehensible” person. Razib…silence. But Spencer politely challenges this characterization and quotes Galton’s “What nature does blindly, slowly, and ruthlessly, man may do providently, quickly and kindly”. Zimmer then, literally, sputters out a lame defense of his characterization. You have to hear it; it’s quite lame. I should add that Razib does follow up with some appropriate (but still kinda PC) context re Galton.

  61. OFF TOPIC

    I’m with Trumpy on tariffs and trade protectionism. The United States has been screwed over by treasonous rats who have pushed all these sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams. Trumpy must kill the EU and the ECB.

    I’m with Trumpy on a pardon for great patriot Joe Arpaio. I thought the Arpaio pardon was wonderful.

    But I am not with Trumpy on any pardon for baby boomer wog boy Dinesh D’Souza.

    D’Souza was attacked by the government for political reasons, that is for sure. I don’t mind Trumpy giving him a pardon for that. But Dinesh D’Souza is a wog bastard who specializes in playing to the White baby boomer cuckservatve rats who have created all the problems in the United States.

    Dinesh D’Souza is also a Dartmouth Douchebag. Well, at least he didn’t go to the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  62. tyrone says:
    @CCZ

    I thought there was something wrong with tiny’s comment ,no misspellings or gibberish

  63. Svigor says:
    @Tim Howells

    He’s just got to get his anti-countersemitic shots in. Countersemites are among the groups least prone to IQ-denial.

    • Replies: @Lot
  64. Svigor says:
    @ben tillman

    Would you prefer “Mother Nature gave Whites an unfair advantage”?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  65. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:

    Off Topic:
    Who is Alice Marie Johnson?

    A Grandmother serving a life sentence, despite being a first offender and non-violent? After, isn’t the incarceration nation’s Federal prison system filled with harmless,non-violent pot smokers just taking up space?

    Not so quick. Johnson has an argument for clemency, but it is far from a slam dunk. After all, The prison system has already been picked over for low hanging fruit. In 2014, then-President Barack Obama launched his CANDO project where his administration sought to find justice through clemency. Shortly after its establishment, Johnson was added as the number one woman in American prisons deserving of a pardon. But, despite this addition, Obama denied her petition for clemency with no explanation given. This decision made her one of the four initial top 25 CANDO entrants to still be in prison.

    Maybe it was because she was convicted of involvement in a Columbian cocaine scheme that smuggled hundreds of kilos of cocaine.

    Her 1996 trial lasted three weeks, with testimony from 40 witnesses. There were more than 180 exhibits that included cocaine with an estimated street value of $2.5 million.

    Her involvement was in dispute, but there was never any claim she dindo nuffin. But she is playing the woman card, the black card and the dindo card.

    I am OK with clemency, but not with the notion that she is a victim. A first offender in a multi-million cocaine scheme did do something.

  66. eah says:

    OT

    An Unusual Idea for Fixing School Segregation

    Many of the white parents’ fears were prejudice, plain and simple…And thus Scott-Railton’s idea was born: to take demographics of schools into account in college admissions—giving priority to applicants who attended schools with a certain threshold of low-income students (say, above 40 percent).

    • Replies: @Lot
  67. Anonymous[828] • Disclaimer says:

    Many [other books] have been … lacking in nuance and clarity

    Which is it? Lacking “nuance” or lacking “clarity”?

  68. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I know who Gavin Becker is. I know he’s based in Los Angeles. I’ve met him a few times.

    Never heard of Ralph Davies NRH or MM. so I don’t know who you’re writing about

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Anonymous
  69. pyrrhus says:
    @Anon

    I’m impressed. Reading the kind of mind deadening stupidity produced by the Jennifer Raffs of this world is more than I can take….

  70. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I agree with your post but I have one question

    What’s the difference between good British Protestants and bad WASPS united with bad Jews?

    Always thought they were the same.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  71. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @a reader

    Nothing about the fatal and great bodily injury knife attacks occurring every day in London? Of course not because only the protected class does then.

  72. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ach, that’s why we be here.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  73. @Anon

    Anon, this is called “Taking one for the team.” Thank you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  74. @Tiny Duck

    TD, you wear me down. When blacks in this country, start to admit that the their grandfather screwed over their grandmother and left her and their father screwed over their mother and left her and your baby daddy screwed you over and left you and through all of this generational disfunction, American society has housed you, fed you, and educated you. When you admit your faults I will again say mea culpa for the sins I did not commit.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  75. Lot says:
    @a reader

    The article mentions “diversity targets” for bikers. The Tories need to make him into a David Dinkins. Euro right wing politicians should look to how the GOP won so many big cities during the US crime wave. Running cops and prosecutors is a good start.

  76. @Anon

    Ray Davies was the lead in The Kinks, a 1960s ‘beat combo’ of some fame.

    NRH is Natalie Hynde, daughter (by Ray Davies) of Chrissie Hynde. She was the lead in The Pretenders, a 1970s/80s ‘beat combo’ of some fame, and was memorably described at that time as “a snotty, arrogant turn-on”.

    MM is Miss Muffett of nursery rhyme fame, the commenter is comparing Natalie Hynde to the Little version and Chrissie to the Big one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  77. @Charles Pewitt

    That’s not true. If I were in a battle, I would much rather be backed up by 150 IQ cowards than 110 IQ daredevils (in the heat of battle, those 110 IQ daredevils would die very quickly. Massive amounts of Army testing has shown this).

  78. Olorin says:
    @anonymous coward

    By that evil racist in the sky. The biggest juju man of all.

    You know, the one who threw winters and Ice Ages and Alps at some folks and stagnant environmental conditions in the flatlands at others.

    Overthrew HIM, by gum.

    But somehow his ancient legacy/largesse just keeps having impacts and evolves on its own.

    We could end all this by making it illegal for smarter people to hand anything down to their or their siblings’ biological offspring. Money, property, genes, skills, tools–make them all state resources, for IQ 90-110 politicians and their executive branch civil servants to dispense in whatever dollops and directions they see fit.

    For you see the Empire of Mediocrity is quite content to lord it over the dim and feckless.

    No wonder they had to kill off the big guy in the sky. The smartest kid in the history of ever.

    I figure this whole thing is just another example of how knickerstwisted and nasty humans can get over inheritances. The visceral scorned fury of “How come Dad loves YOU better” is a compelling drive that accounts for much conflict in human history.

    The other drive is how Dad is so often swayed by the flattery of Goneril and Regan.

  79. @Charles Pewitt

    Have you ever considered just shutting the fuck up once in a while?

  80. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    Really? You think Vox Day made reasonable, unbiased estimates? He might not quite reach “IQ denial,” but it is hackish crap, and a lot of the left comes up with such crap on IQ issues that doesn’t quite reach full denialism. And lots of countersemites linked to him here and elsewhere.

    In any event, absent some new study being released, I am not terribly interested in the topic anywhere. Jews are doing fine in America, Israel is growing and winning, and right wing antisemites are deplatformed pariahs.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Svigor
  81. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT
    >Real life super villain Elon Musk dared criticize the legacy media, which is the same thing as doubting the goodness of democracy itself. Elon proposes to set up a web site that would let unwashed proles from the hinterland rate media accuracy. The Snopes Observatory For Human Rights has already cast kitty litter on this madness.
    >Nonagenarian comic book guy Stan Lee tweeted support for Elon (singling out the Hollywood Reporter as dishonost).
    >In a completely unforeseeable turn of events, two guys with guns have attempted to enter Stan Lee’s home and police are handling it.
    >In a completely unrelated event earlier in the year, Kanye West was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital by his personal trainer after suggesting that the evil Donald “Hitler” Trump might not have eaten the sun and that Trump’s Nazis/followers might have a point about things.
    >In an even less related matter, Roseanne Barr lost her highly successful show after regrettable namecalling directed to one side, and Samantha Bree retains her highly unsuccessful show after regrettable namecalling directed to the other side.
    Do you see a pattern? I see a pattern.
    Democracy dies in darkness.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  82. Lot says:
    @eah

    “It would create an incentive for middle class and wealthy parents to enroll their students in socioeconomically integrated schools, … would create countervailing considerations for white parents considering leaving currently integrated school districts”

    More social engineering to spread out those magical but increasingly rare white children, whose mere presence in theory raises NAM scores, except there’s not a single documented instance of this happening.

    Though perhaps not so rare as we might have feared 10 years ago. Kevin Drum made this graph showing a pretty big fertility change in the eugenic direction between ’06 and ’15.

    • Replies: @eah
  83. dr kill says:
    @CCZ

    What’s the racial makeup of bicycle thieves?

  84. Lot says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    “Cordial relations with Israel will be necessary to facilitate the peaceful transfer of those Jews in the United States who refuse to go along with the new ruling class.”

    All hail Pewitt I, King of the USA. I appreciate your willingness to “peacefully transfer” to Israel rather than massacre any malcontent Hebrews.

    Do you have a place to deport Unitarians planned out yet? Maybe you can arm them and have them take over Kuwait, we know they don’t put up a fight and in retrospect that area would have made a better place for the Jews to conquer than Israel.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @IBC
    , @Stan d Mute
  85. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Canuck describes becoming an Antifa thug. Warning/bonus: bizarre sexual practices!

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/173720534

  86. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Lot, come on, nobody can stand Unitarians, and, being Untarian, they will not stand for themselves.

  87. Olorin says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    When [will] blacks in this country, start to admit that the their grandfather screwed over their grandmother and left her and their father screwed over their mother and left her and your baby daddy screwed you over and left you and through all of this generational disfunction, American society has housed you, fed you, and educated you.

    There was a discussion recently at /pol/ of inheritances and how come whites get them more often than blacks.

    This point of yours was made. Blacks’ legacy to their own offspring is frequently chaos and confusion.

    The Democrats’ exploitation of this for political gain in the Obama years was infuriating to witness. Their doubling down on it with Hillary (trotting out thugs’ mothers for headlines and votes) wasn’t exactly surprising. But it was appalling. Meanwhile the GOPe has trotted along like lapdogs, trying to figure out how to appear as Based Non Racists. But never having the nads to stand up and point to essence of the problem: we all get to create a legacy starting with what we were born with.

    In my view the single biggest problem/issue in the US at present is loss of the republic’s ancient culture of thanks-giving.

    Ability to give thanks for bounties received–especially in the face of disaster and fear–is one of nature’s most profound capacities. A literal affirmation of life.

    In my other comment I noted the erosive/divisive quality of much human emotion around the matter of inheritances. “Why did dad/mom/grandparents love you more?”

    “Civil rights” has cultivated and institutionalized this sort of resentment. “Reparations” literally state that the legacies of some be handed over to others. Because reasons.

    The damage this causes everyone is exemplified in the trainwreck life of Rachel Dolezal, who I understand has been charged with welfare fraud recently. Growing up in a family unit where your own biological parents want to replace their genes (you) with others’ has got to hurt.

    I’m not aware of a name for that as the offspring experiences it. There’s cuckoldry as the behavior of the male parent, and there’s adoption trauma in children removed from their biological parents.

    Do we have a name for the trauma suffered by the biological child replaced in this way?

  88. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It ain’t rocket surgery, but your reference to “MM” baffles me. Neither Marilyn Monroe nor Mickey Mouse had anything to do with this.

  89. @Lot

    Really? You think Vox Day made reasonable, unbiased estimates?

    You think Vox Day is an anti-semite?

    • Replies: @Lot
  90. Anon[656] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunbeam

    My snark detector is a little off today, so on the chance that you are serious here, “environment” in the gene phenotype sense is a term of art or piece of jargon that doesn’t mean the same as environment in the meterological sense. It means all external stimuli. In the case of black IQ some hypotheses have been various aspects of education and home/family life, as well as nutrition and heavy metal toxicity. Nothing has panned out in studies and interventions.

    • Replies: @FrankT
  91. Anon[656] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    As someone else noted, Razib Khan, a realist in these matters, got a review copy and somewhat favorably reviewed it, and also interviewed Zimmer, whose New York Times science stuff is not bad if you read a little between the lines.

    So I thought it would be a good book. And it may turn out to be O.K. once I get a little more into it. But so far I wouldn’t recommend it, not so much because it’s wrong, since it’s good to be up on the latest counterarguments to what you believe, but because it’s boring. It has that magazine-article-stretched-to-book-length feel to it.

  92. IBC says:
    @Lot

    The Olmec civilization is thought to be the first in Mesoamerica and was centered in the hot and humid Gulf Coast region around Tabasco and Veracruz. And some of the oldest and most important Maya cities were also in extremely hot and humid places like the Yucatan (which is barely above sea level). There were also Maya cities in cooler upland locations, but those were mainly in Central America (especially Guatemala) rather than in Mexico. Also, Maya civilization began at least 3,000 years ago, making it at least contemporaneous with pre-Aztec cultures like Teotihuacan.

    According to the Aztecs’ own founding myth, they originally came from a mysterious place far to the north or northwest called Aztlan (though definitely not in Southern California) and they migrated to the Valley of Mexico a few hundred years before the Spanish Conquest. As you might remember, a famous scene from this story is actually featured on the Mexican national flag. Before their move and while they were wandering in search of new lands, their lifestyle had been much less dependent on intensive agriculture and urbanism; though once they’d established themselves, they did attempt to retcon some links between themselves and earlier civilizations like the Toltecs, and also the ruined-city of Teotihuacan, which was already ancient history when the Aztecs arrived.

  93. Jennifer Raff is a geneticist? ??? !!! ???

    Then why the hell doesn’t she understand genetics?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @CCZ
  94. IBC says:
    @Lot

    Do you have a place to deport Unitarians planned out yet?

    Nantucket?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  95. @Tiny Duck

    “Nature is much more important the nurture.”

    The great irony of left-wing support for blank slate thinking is that it tends to make the wealthy greedier. Why feel guilty about being incredibly rich when society tells you your wealth is all down to hard work rather than natural talent?

    If you’re concerned about helping the underdog, you should stop and think whether or not dogmatic blank slate thinking is actually helping your cause.

  96. @CCZ

    A grant from the Sloan Foundation helped support my time away from regular magazine work and some travels to report the book.

    And once again, Michigan automakers have screwed America. Ford Foundation, CS Mott Foundation, A Sloan Foundation, etc, all seem fully devoted to making their benefactors look like stupid SJW twits…

  97. @Lot

    Maybe you can arm them and have them take over Kuwait, we know they don’t put up a fight and in retrospect that area would have made a better place for the Jews to conquer than Israel.

    Apparently Washington DC was also easier for them to conquer than Palestine.

  98. notanon says:

    the banking mafia want to get high IQ groups to breed with low IQ groups as a form of stealth biological warfare aimed at genetically mutilating their competititors.

    lying about genetics has been a critical part of this stealth warfare since Boas.

    • Replies: @Anon
  99. notanon says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Nurture is much more important than nature

    the only way black people can become equal to other groups is through selective breeding.

    the people lying about genetics want them to stay stupid.

    • Replies: @Anon
  100. Karl says:
    @Max Denken

    56 Max Denken > Why is it that a leftist Member of the Tribe is reviewed by a leftist Member of the Tribe on a subject that the Tribe has fought

    for the same reason that Haim Saban makes money from Univision, but Ron Unz loses money on operating this website

  101. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The author of the review, Jennifer Raff, in a YouTube talk gives a trigger warning about “human remains.”

    The human remains are ancient skulls from South America.

    Apparently “Native Americans” and their allies would be grossed out by the skulls of their “ancestors.”

    Intelligence is discussed from 55:24. She says that intelligence is about 45 to 55 percent genetically determined (I think she avoids just saying 50 percent to show off, “I know the details on this stuff!”), “at least as measured by IQ” [sarcastic tone of voice here]. She questions the validity of determining intelligence by IQ. I thought that that was sort of definitional: What is intelligence? The result from an IQ test.

    She says the remainder of intelligence (the other 55 to 45 percent?) is affected by:

    - Development
    - Socio-economic status growing up
    - Education
    - How much your parents encourage you to read?

    Development, not sure what she means here, other than that severe malnutrition (that doesn’t really exist in the United States) can affect it? Yeah. An unhealthy diet? No.

    SES, no, confounded, how can she make this rookie error.

    Education, no (outside of people raised by wolves)

    How much your parents encourage you to read, no, a confounding problem, parents with a high IQ encourage their kids to read and also have smart kids, Fifth Law of Behavioral Genetics. You can get a small, short-term increase in tested IQ by assigning kids a hectoring white-person mentor on a daily basis, which increases only s, not g, but even that dissolves away before adulthood, and low-IQ people do not continue to read on their own with outside pressure, it’s just not their thing. Also, in general psychological traits are unaffected by shared environment in twin studies. Parent encouragement would be shared environment.

    So what you see here is what happens when an anthropologist by original training studies genetics, learns the jargon, but goes into it with the intention of validating Boasian anthropology with pseudo genetics, ironic since she styles herself as a sort of crusader against pseudoscience.

    • Replies: @gcochran
  102. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frank the Prof

    Nuture: https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment

    What the Kansas City school debacle did was to make real estate developers in Johnson County, Kansas very wealthy.

  103. CCZ says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Not just a geneticist, but, seemingly, a social justice feminist geneticist, important difference!!

    For example:

    “Remember this: genes code for proteins, not behaviors.”

    “The thinking goes that men have aggressive tendencies that are genetically determined, evolutionarily selected for, and therefore result in adaptations for certain types of behaviors (hunting, fighting, working in the public sphere). The problem with the conventional wisdom here is that aggression is a set of behavioral characteristics, not a strictly genetic trait. As with size or strength, you can’t point to a single gene or genes that separate the aggressive from the non-aggressive. There are a few genes tentatively associated with aggressive behavior, but it’s not a simple phenomenon of “this genetic variant causes this person to be aggressive.” Remember this: genes code for proteins, not behaviors.”

    https://violentmetaphors.com/2013/10/27/does-aggression-define-manhood/

    https://violentmetaphors.com/ (“Thoughts from the intersection of science, pseudoscience, and conflict.)

    https://twitter.com/JenniferRaff

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/jennifer-raff

    https://plus.google.com/+JenniferRaff

    https://www.theguardian.com/profile/jennifer-raff

  104. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I like to refer to them as Big and Little Little Miss Muffett, because Chrissie can be snotty, obnoxious, and generally unbearable, or as she herself often says, “a cunt”. She is also the best rock and roll frontwoman in the world, even now at 66, and every one knows it. She is a great singer and absolutely owns the stage. She is also a very good pop songwriter, and does play guitar but more as a prop than seriously.

    Although the band made its debut in ’79, they were definitely an eighties thing, not a seventies thing. The original band had the superb guitarist, James Honeyman Scott , who died of an OD in 1982. Chrissie had started a relationship with Ray Davies and was carrying his child by then. The drama was memorable and most everyone figured Hynde was done for careerwise. She didn’t lose a minute, touring while pregnant with both her daughters (the second by Simple Minds’ Jim Kerr).

    Ray and Dave Davies are brothers and the central figures in the Kinks. Never as big as the Beatles or the Rolling Stones (or The Who) they were still quite significant and had a long career, having hits from 1964 all the way to the mid-eighties and perhaps later.

    Chrissie’s daughter Natalie is not involved in showbiz but is slightly famous in the UK for her environmental activism. She became of interest here because she did a series of YouTube videos expressing consternation at white British girls raped by Muslims and other Muslim misbehavior (along with much other stuff).

    Also, to hear such upper class British speech coming out of someone who came out of someone who came out of Akron, Ohio is both amusing and instructive.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  105. Steve, you are popular over at Ted Beale’s Vox Day blog. Here’s Mr. Beale trying to elevate himself by association with you:

    Vote Right, Vote White

    There are no identity politics in Japan because Japan is Japanese. There are no identity politics in China because China is Chinese. Identity politics are the unavoidable reality in any polity that is foolish enough to allow demographic diversity and the only solution to them is to reduce the diversity to statistically insignificant levels.

    These ideas aren’t even remotely new. Both Steve Sailer and I have been writing about it for a long time. It’s just that reality has finally caught up to the situation that we saw developing and what was inevitable is now the obvious, and is rapidly becoming the undeniable.

    Labels: nationalism, politics

    POSTED BY VD @ 5/29/2018 11:00:00 AM MAILING LIST SIGNUP 73 COMMENTS

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/

    Vox Day and his fans are the kind of middle-aged fellows who are still fond of comic books with costumed super heroes.

    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    And Steve, you need to write your own book about Human Biological Diversity. Get busy, please.

  106. @bartok

    > What % of Vietnamese-Americans are actually Han

    My guess is about 25-30% of the “boat people” era are “ethnic Chinese”, meaning family arrived from China within a couple of generations. My guess is that the typical non-chinese vietnamese is ~50% Han, 20% subcontinent, and 30% long-gone local tribes.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  107. Lot says:
    @ben tillman

    Yes, but I don’t really have any detailed opinions on him as the limited times I’ve looked at his blog I’ve found it some combination of uninteresting, needlessly belligerent, and crankish. If I get the urge to read someone like him, Roissy and Anglin are better quality writers.

    I am not invested in any definition of antisemite so I also concede people may validly disagree with me.

  108. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Do you know what those knobs on the oven do? Of course you do — because you’re a NAZI!!!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/opinion/sunday/tradwives-women-alt-right.html

    In a podcast interview posted last spring, Nicole Jorgenson, a singer and former schoolteacher in North Dakota, explains to her host that she has never been happier since marrying and having children. And yet between cute pastoral anecdotes of growing her own vegetables and making banana bread, it soon becomes clear that Ms. Jorgenson is advocating something sinister — not just a return to agrarian motherhood.

    [Jaws theme]

    She lived in Germany temporarily,

    [Jaws theme intensifies]

    she says, but left just before “an influx of refugees took over the country.”

    [Jaws theme intensifies more]

    She just had a child and thinks the new baby is beautiful — but maybe not quite in the same way all mothers do: “I always wanted children that looked like me,” she says, “blond-haired, blue-eyed babies,

    [DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN]

    but I kind of had to say it under my breath.”

    By the time the interviewer begins to gush about how wonderful it is that Ms. Jorgenson and her husband are both of Norwegian heritage — “you guys come from the same blood” — it’s clear what political demographic both women are catering to. Ms. Jorgenson is being interviewed on Radio 3Fourteen, a white supremacist talk radio program; it is interviewing her because she considers herself a tradwife.

    Radio 314 is the project of Lana Lokteff, Red Ice co-runner and wife of Red Ice founder Henrik Palmgren. It’s not white supremacist (but it’s also not sorry for being born this way). Henrik is Swedish and Lana is some kind of Balt but lived in the US a bit. For those of you who remember pop top cans, a “tradwife” is what “people” would “call” a “wife.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  109. anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Hey you slipped up, our sloppy little anti-Semite Step and Fetchit!

    Your paymasters in Tel Aviv will not be happy that you admitted that Mother Nature gave Jews, who are basically white, at least as white as Turkish and Japanese folks, an unfair advantage! You are supposed to be more consistent in your rabid self-refuting anti-Semitism!

    You are supposed to make people who dislike Jews look dumb, not honest!

    (That being said, what happened to the dopey commenter Truth? – I always thought he was some mid-distant relative of Sailer’s who took a few 20s every month to entertainingly post as a completely clueless anti-white semi-educated person. Sort of the fake black version of fake anti-Semite Svigor, I guess you could say).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Svigor
  110. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Pop tops! On Shasta Tiki!

    “I blew out my flip-flop
    Stepped on a pop-top
    Cut my heel had to cruise on back home”

    Now we have Sta-Tabs.

  111. FrankT says:
    @Anon

    The sections on race are more or less what you would expect, though not as bad as usual. e.g.,

    “It is true that humans have physical differences, and some of those differences are spread geographically across the planet. But clinging to old notions about race won’t help us understand the nature of those differences—both the ones we can see and the ones we can’t. What matters is ancestry.”

    “Ancient DNA doesn’t simply debunk the notion of white purity. It debunks the very name white.
    From the beginning, skin colors were crucial to Western racial categories. The black skin of Africans was merely the outward mark of an inward curse. Along with whites in Europe and blacks in Africa, there were yellow Chinese and red Indians. People whose skin was too light or too dark for their race aroused suspicion about their ancestry.”

    Peppered with a number of misleading and/or incorrect references. Lots of discussion about race in relation to Jews, as one might predict given the author’s mixed lineage.

    It has been uploaded to libgen, so you can download for free.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  112. Anon[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    Cars are status symbols for blacks, bikes are not. Owning a bike but not a car to a black means you still haven’t made it. For blacks, it’s a big deal to be able to pack your homies in your car and brag and blast rap on the stereo. It means you’re in charge of your pack of homies as long as you claim that steering wheel, and they have to be nice to you to get rides. You don’t have the same leverage over your fellow blacks with a bike.

  113. @Olorin

    We could end all this by making it illegal for smarter people to hand anything down to their or their siblings’ biological offspring. Money, property, genes, skills, tools–make them all state resources, for IQ 90-110 politicians and their executive branch civil servants to dispense in whatever dollops and directions they see fit.

    That is a superb summary of the Democrat Party agenda.

  114. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Very few people who dislike Jews do so because Ashkenazim are on average smarter than almost every other group. Most white people in particular are okay with the idea that no one group is best at any one thing. They dislike Jews, specifically Ashkenazim (which in the US is somewhat synonymous) because of their God-damned “tikkun olam” and their hypocritical insistence on being able to practice eugenics and nation-building themselves while seeking to undermine it for all others.

    I don’t particularly dislike Jews but I keep in mind their proclivities and politely but firmly let them know I’m not having it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  115. @Olorin

    Blacks’ legacy to their own offspring is frequently chaos and confusion.

    True. And not news.

  116. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    There is no such thing as “The Anti-Semite” as he is strawmanned in hasbara and most Jewish holidays: but the nicest people start to see red when they assert X and are told, not only did X never happen, not only is X impossible, but you’re only asserting X because you are obsessed with hatred of blameless X-ers, but also if X is happening then it’s good for you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  117. @Tim Howells

    “Taken together with intense tribalism, ethnic networking” This meme is often aired here. Except there is NO evidence for it. I challenge those parroting the meme to supply specific checkable evidence for that calumny. (I doubt this comment will be approved).

    • Replies: @Amasius
    , @Anon
    , @IBC
  118. gcochran says:
    @Anon

    Raff isn’t very smart.

  119. jim jones says:
    @Anonymous

    Natalie Ray Hynde sounds upper middle class to me, here she is speaking:

  120. Amasius says:
    @Anonymouse

    Elena Kagan and Sheryl Sandberg.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/08/20/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-and-jewish-networking/

    Also the fact that jews have existed as a distinct people for the last 2,500+ years while every other identity in Europe and the Levant from circa 537 B.C. is gone would seem to indicate some sort of ingroup preference.

  121. @Anonymous

    “to hear such upper class British speech coming out of someone who came out of someone who came out of Akron”

    Nearly every Brit rock star sends their kids to public school (even Madonna sent her daughter to Cheltenham Ladies College).

  122. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    What is “X”? White genocide?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  123. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    I refer you to the Zionist entity on the Eastern Mediterranean.

  124. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    the only way black people can become equal to other groups is through selective breeding.

    the people lying about genetics want them to stay stupid.

    Not true. Black people can become more equal to other groups by breeding with other groups. For example, with whites.

    Ironically, lying about genetics at the societal level actually facilitates this intermingling.

  125. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    Yep. This is the name of the game.

  126. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olorin

    Growing up in a family unit where your own biological parents want to replace their genes (you) with others’ has got to hurt.

    I don’t know the specific reference to Rachel Dolezal but doesn’t this describe the ethos effectively embraced by a majority of the country, especially by Democrat and liberal families? It’s the dominant cultural and racial attitude.

  127. @Lot

    The Yucatan looks like a pretty awful place to live: it’s all limestone so rain sinks into the ground, so there are no rivers or ponds, just sinkholes. Trees are only about 15 feet high and scrubby. I don’t know how the Mayans accomplished all they did with that kind of soil.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  128. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    You louded out “egalitarians” and countersemites for IQ-denial. That last is absurd, and what I rightly objected to; as I said, countersemites are among the most IQ-aware groups in the country.

    • Replies: @Lot
  129. eah says:
    @Lot

    Noteworthy is this juxtaposition (meaning these passages appeared in the same article):

    The radio broadcast featured wealthy white parents in a St. Louis suburb distressed by the prospect of black students from a neighboring town enrolling in their public schools. The black children’s district had recently lost its accreditation due to poor academic performance…Many of the white parents’ fears were prejudice, plain and simple.

  130. @FrankT

    “It is true that humans have physical differences, and some of those differences are spread geographically across the planet. But clinging to old notions about race won’t help us understand the nature of those differences—both the ones we can see and the ones we can’t. What matters is ancestry.”

    As if there were a difference.

  131. @Anon

    Once more unto the difference between evil WASP turds and the great founding stock Americans of English ancestry. I use WASP the way Auchincloss used WASP. Auchincloss was referring to a specific type of Northern plutocrat, Ivy Leaguer, ruling class type WASP. The Boston and New York area, and maybe Philadelphia and parts of the Midwest would be the home base of the WASPs I’m talking about.

    The regular people of English ancestry in New England are wonderful. They are a bit standoffish, when they are not a little bit Puritan nosey, but I love that. David Hackett Fischer has a good bit about the New England WASP penchant for habitational proximity in relation to Scotch-Irish and Southern English. Hint: The Scotch-Irish and Southern English like their privacy and space(territorial).

    So when I write about the evil WASP/JEW ruling class I’m referring to the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate and Shelly Adelson types, not in more general terms.

    I hope Trumpy tells Shelly Adelson that he won’t attack Iran with nuclear weapons or start a war with Iran. Adelson wants a war with Iran and he has called for the American Empire to drop a nuclear weapon on Iran as a negotiating tactic and demonstration of power.

    Trumpy is half German and half Scottish and in my way of thinking he is in no way a WASP.

  132. @Olorin

    Olo, Thank you for the very well thought out reply.

  133. IBC says:
    @Anonymouse

    “ethnic networking”

    “NO evidence”

    ZERO evidence I tell you!

    I don’t have LOL button privileges on this website and I’m not sure if you’re really serious, but that made me chuckle.

  134. 3g4me says:
    @Olorin

    @ 80 Olorin: “We could end all this by making it illegal for smarter people to hand anything down to their or their siblings’ biological offspring. Money, property, genes, skills, tools–make them all state resources, for IQ 90-110 politicians and their executive branch civil servants to dispense in whatever dollops and directions they see fit. ”

    I hadn’t realized that this was a ‘thing’ of late on the left (dramatic differences in racial inheritances, etc.). My hairdresser has become a rabid lefty (can make for some awkward conversations, but she’s also extremely skillful and reasonably priced, so I’m just increasingly careful in what I say) and was ranting about economic inequality and the importance of a guaranteed minimum income for everyone on my last visit. She knows I’m far to the right and, while we could agree on the insanity of Zuckerborg/Bezos/actors/athletes incomes, she could not accept that people’s individual abilities and proclivities should result in disparate outcomes. Whenever I would mention different intellectual abilities or habits such as perseverance or time preference, she would repeat that “not everyone has a supportive family.” Granted, she’s from a divorced mom and is on her 3rd marriage herself, but she is absolutely certain that if we all had a guaranteed minimum to start with, life would be fair and dramatically unequal outcomes would be a thing of the past. I at least got her to agree that I wasn’t advocating for people dying in the street, so I count that as a win (of course, if they want to die on the street in their own countries that’s another business entirely!).

    A little learning is a dangerous thing.

  135. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    It is a symbolic representation of potentially anything used here because certain — but not few — conversations never escape Groundhog Day. “White genocide” is by no means the only time this pattern shows up and the pattern itself is another example. Probably a good, old example, far removed from current controversies, is deliberate sexual liberalization in literature. You’re crazy. You’re a prude. There’s worse stuff in the bible. And besides, it’s just one novel.

  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    One reasonable-sounding explanation of ancient accomplishments is that these guys had their whole lives to do this. When our electric hand drill won’t make a perfect hole instantly, or a construction crew goes over the promised couple of days, we start thinking about lawsuits. This was a culturally central work of art which had to be perfect in detail and in total, and you could have generations of craftsmen going over the issues.
    But it would be awesome to find a Mayan equuvalent of the Leaning Tower of Pisa and reverse engineer their architecture. Their mistakes were probably erased as surely as the mistaken were sacrificed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  137. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    “You louded out “egalitarians” and countersemites for IQ-denial.”

    No, I did not say countersemites engaged in “IQ denial” in my OP. A response to it first used that phrase, and then I specifically said in response that VD did not reach denialism.

    What I said:

    “Debating with willfully ignorant people about IQ is tiresome. This goes for both the egalitarians and the antisemites.”

    I explained my basis for this: VD and many others seem to think the Ashkenazi gap over non-Ashkenazi US whites is 3 points. VD also seems to be one of those Mega Society type people who think they have 150+ IQs and have been victims of what they believe to be widespread discrimination against very high IQ people.

    Right wing antisemites are rare, powerless, and shunned, and the novelty of engaging with them on Jewish IQ issues has worn off, in particular because they argue from some mixture of ignorance and bad faith.

    Fortunately there are plenty of non-PC IQ-aware people who are willing to discuss these questions without the stupidity and bad-faith of Vox Day types. To take a few examples people here would all know, that includes Steve, Cochran, Thompson, Lynn, Razib, and Woodley.

  138. Hibernian says:
    @Chief Seattle

    Thus the name “Indochina.”

  139. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    I saw a documentary where a team was investigating Mayan construction techniques. They did harrowing things like transport huge blocks over rope suspension bridges of the sort the traditional Incans used.

    But the most interesting thing was how they fitted stones perfectly together in walls. They roughed out the shape and put the stone in place. Then they simply pushed it back and forth. The new stone and the previous stones rubbed against each other and sanded each other down, eventually resulting in a fit so tight you couldn’t put a piece of paper in it. You don’t have to have that many skilled masons if most of the job is brute-force stone pushing.

    By the way, the Leaning Tower of Pisa of Egypt is the Bent Pyramid. The civil engineering in those days was seat-of-the-pants, and usually it resulted in massively overbuilt structures. but in the case of the Bent Pyramid, they underestimated the load-bearing capability of the pyramid’s base. Mid-construction it had to be redesigned to have less mass on top.

  140. Let me guess. The “nuance” is ignoring the heritable-ness of IQ.

  141. MBlanc46 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Who, pray tell, gave them that advantage?

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