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The 10th century Mesopotamian scholar Ibn Hawqal, who wrote an “unfortunately lost” book about how Sicilians were all idiots because they ate raw onions, would have done very well for himself on Twitter:

Okay, people, this is not actually a serious post about IQ or Sicilians or onions, it’s a joke about a certain personality type.

 
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  1. Is it taleb? That’s my best guess at what you are hinting at

    • Agree: Daniel H, Gordo
    • Replies: @Lot
  2. Anon7 says:

    Please pass the onions.

  3. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    Related topic:

    Check out the phenotype on Congressman Rashida Tlaib’s grandmother as shown in pic at breitbart. The lady has light/gray eyes and appears to be a white person IMO. She has a field laborers sunbaked skin now but I bet she was as white as fellow levantine Doug Flutie when she was young.

    https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/08/18/rashida-tlaibs-grandmother-fires-back-trump-may-god-ruin-him/

    This old woman would pass as white in any euro country. In fact she is a lighter complexion than the typical euro living in the south of Spain Italy or Greece…

    This matters because Tlaib is a racial nut case constantly working her “person of color” privilege scam. The evidence suggests she is at least 25% white.

    • Replies: @Lot
  4. I dunno, but I definitely know that Fredo Cuomo would consider this to be an Italian aspersion.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  5. Ibn Hawqal = IQ blah? Naw…

    If Hawq-I’s people were so smart, how come we know his father’s name, but not his own? What did his son go by?

    For all their faults, Sicilians have contributed more to the West than has the entire Arab race. Star names, fairy tales, and…?

    Yes, zero and decimal placing were revolutionary, but they were just the middlemen.

    Zero. What have they given us? Nothing– literally.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  6. Tony says:

    Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. An arab thinks Sicilians are dumb? Please.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  7. Paul says:

    “The 10th century Mesopotamian scholar Ibn Hawqal, who wrote an “unfortunately lost” book about how Sicilians were all idiots because they ate raw onions . . .”

    Has anyone else thus far provided a more convincing explantion? I have yet to hear one.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @J.Ross
  8. nebulafox says:

    Wasn’t Sicily basically the result of mixing of Norman, Latin, Arab, and Greek culture?

    • Replies: @Hubbub
    , @Tlotsi
    , @S. Anonyia
  9. Yawrate says:

    Supposedly the concept of “zero” was brought to the west by the Arabs from their contact (conquest) of India.

    https://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

  10. Hubbub says:
    @nebulafox

    Shows what multiculturalism will lead to, does it not? Where has Sicilian culture gone from the Days of the Onion until today? Mafia and onions, now there’s a sandwich!

  11. Bubba says:

    Most Italians still refer to Sicilians contemptuously as “Africans.”

    • Replies: @Richard S
  12. Jack D says:
    @Tony

    Times change. 2,000 years ago Greeks were noted as scholars and Brits liked to paint themselves blue and worship trees.

  13. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    I love pickled onions ?

    put em in wine, anything.

  14. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    And what about Johnson? How come we know his father’s name? There are many reasons for calling Arabs stupid but their naming system isn’t one of them. There is a difference between being different than the West and being dumber than the West. Different isn’t automatically dumber.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
  15. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Three different articles on Grama Jihadi say she is 85, 90, and 99.

    She’s even more Euro looking in this photo:

    It appears they were an elite landowning family that migrated not because of Israeli oppression, but because there are so many of them. Rashida is the oldest of 14 children, and the article on her grandmother mentions “8 uncles.”

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Joe Joe
  16. Lot says:
    @Sam Haysom

    Sounds like a good guess, I picture him having some very strong opinions about onions, positive or negative.

  17. Svigor says:

    Well, as everyone knows, Sicilians were spawned by redacted.

    Just now thinking about it, I can’t recall any typical household food as obnoxious to process as onions*. There are a lot of fish in the sea; we put up with the burning and crying why, exactly?

    *Yellow and white onions, anyway; IIRC, Vidalia onions aren’t a big deal.

  18. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Different isn’t automatically dumber.

    Great story bro.

  19. Sounds like everyone on Twitter, which is why I never lasted more than a week the half dozen times I have joined. No Facebook, No Twitter, No Morons.

  20. Svigor says:
    @The Alarmist

    It’s funny how accurate facial phrenology is. I sized Fredo up as a tightly-wound, blow-dried Italian sociopath within about three seconds of first laying eyes on him.

    Anyone who didn’t hear Rush’s show last week on Fredo should give it a listen. It was hilarious. I almost never find Rush to be funny, at least not when he’s trying to be, but that one was a keeper. He kept cracking up mid-sentence, and I couldn’t help but crack up along with him. Of course, “Fredo Cuomo,” and Cuomo’s explosion on-camera, did a lot to prime the pump – it’s just comedy gold. Knowing the guy is going to be Fredo now, until the day he dies, and how badly it gets under his well-lotioned skin, is just funny.

  21. Did he say anything about ‘shine boxes’?

  22. @Jack D

    2,000 years ago Greeks were noted as scholars and Brits liked to paint themselves blue and worship trees.

    Some still do.

    • LOL: Bubba
  23. @Jack D

    It’s not the patronymic per se, it’s the lack of a first name to go with it. Icelanders use the same system, but their phone directories go by first name. So you know who you’re talking to.

    • Replies: @Tim
  24. Ibound1 says:

    Lets see: he is amazed Sicilians are so poor, although their land is rich, and he blames it on onions. He reminds me of every sociology professor in the United States.

  25. @Lot

    A quick question to the many Republicans here:

    Are there any Republicans whom you find to be completely embarrassing? That you wish would just crawl under a rock and slither away?

    Trust me, I am a Democrat and I feel that way about many, possibly most, Democratic politicians.

    A certain jihadi congresswoman from Detroit tops the list. Not mentioning any names.

    Remember, this was Conyers’ old district. The way to beat her would be to find someone of a similar blackground as Conyers. Trump uses her as a punching bag because, while a feud with her helps Rep. Jihadi’s career, it increases his chances of getting re-elected even if it means strengthening her in a district no Republican could possibly win.

    She uses her feud with Trump to promote her career, even though it strengthens Trump. If she really believes Trump is The Enemy, then she is either stupid enough or immoral enough to aid his re-election just to benefit herself. But what can you say about someone who treats her grandmother as a political prop?

  26. Forbes says:
    @Paul

    A book about Sicilians being idiots because they are raw onions couldn’t be very long. In fact, I just summarized it in a sentence.

    Is there any evidence that its loss was unfortunate? (Other than as an ancient relic, that is.)

  27. Tim says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, but it’s Iceland, so you call fred, son of fred, and he says, oh, you want the other fred son of fred. . . I’ll go get him

  28. Hunsdon says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I feel that way about most Republicans.

  29. Tlotsi says:
    @nebulafox

    The Normans are a few hundred years in the future.

  30. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    The Islamic naming system is abysmally useless, as is the Korean. The best argument against the W era Do Not Fly list was that, if all you had was a Muslim name, you had absolutely nothing, and were about to trip a false positive. Mexicans also have a high rate of recycling in their nanes but they’re not as bad.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  31. J.Ross says:
    @Paul

    There’s another great lost book about Sicily, the one Frank Zappa’s dad was always going to write (but never did), placing it at the center of world history.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Hillyer
  32. J.Ross says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Republicans tend not to be as bombastically embarrassing, the better equivalent would be Chamber of Commerce RINOs.

  33. Dan Hayes says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Paleo Liberal:

    I’ll give you a twofer by nominating the Romneys: Mitt and daddy George. They have brought vicious and petulant political backstabbing to a high order as witness their unconscionable actions against both Goldwater and Trump. Truly Father Like Son and definitely nature over nurture.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Neoconned
  34. BenKenobi says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Throwing your grandma under the bus is a time-honoured Democrat tradition.

    Like Obama and his “typical White person” grandmother. I could be remembering that incorrectly however, records from before Year Zero are inaccurate, at best.

  35. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks to Lot for posting the Rashida grandmother pic/info.

    The old gal looks like Warren Buffet’s sister.

    Not surprised that this was an “elite” landholding family. The color spectrum in the middle east is the same as Latin america.

    So safe to say this old woman has northern Caucasian genotype as well as phenotype. She can pass as whitebread like Danny Kaye Doug Flutie etc meaning not just lighter olive skin or lighter brown skin than the rest of the countryside… but racially far apart from a typical modern Palestinian.

    Phoenician? Greek? Macedonian remnant from Alexander?

    Anyway I posted last week about Omar and Cortez both dating white dudes and now we find out Tlaib is not actually what she seems to be either.

    The Squad is a mess of racial contradictions.

  36. The ancient onion-eater libel! Will the bigotry never end.

    Here’s Daniel Tosh field testing some some alternative slurs.

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/erckcq/tosh-0-is-it-racist—-slurs

  37. Lot says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Brenda Jones lost to to the Jihadi by about 1%. She could probably win in 2020 if she runs again and stops another high profile black challenger.

    http://www.brendajonesforcongress.com/

    Jones actually won the election against the Jihadi for the tail end of Conyer’s 2016 term, so she was in congress for a few months.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  38. @Paleo Liberal

    I think many probably most Republicans found the Christian Right to be at least somewhat embarrassing. So now you guys have the totalitarian left to embarrass you.

    Reagan added White Evangelicals to the GOP in the 80s and won big. He gave the Christian Right very little of substance, mostly eloquent words. They were willing to take it from Reagan, but not from his successors. The primary campaign of Pat Robertson in 1988 started a process where the Christian Right became more visible and more demanding and this repelled many traditional Republican suburban voters.

    The process of SJWization started in the 2008 campaign. Obama didn’t add any new groups to the Democratic coalition– in fact he narrowed it somewhat losing Appalachian whites that had voted for Clinton and even Dukakis. His strategy was to increase turnout among heavily Democratic voting groups Blacks, Hispanics, the young, single women etc. In 2008, he was able to do this without really promising anything because he offered the wonder of himself. Barrack Obama, the great transformer. He didn’t have to promise specific changes because everything would change once the Great Obama assumed power.

    But in his second term, it became clear he hadn’t delivered … well anything really. So all the target groups became radicalized and adopted more and more toxic political positions. The next time they would not be left, their demands would be met and the demands keep increasing.

    So now the Dems have their own toxic political faction and must suffer the consequences. Its worthy of note that Dems gained a lot less from the SJWs than Repubs did from evangelicals and looks like the SJWs are likely to be more politically costly.

  39. Bacsi says:

    I don’t quite understand the joke. Although I do recall being in the town square in Gela where a very old lady approached me asking for something that wasn’t in Italian. A nearby carabinieri officer interrupted her in a very scolding manner telling her to go away.

    There’s still a Sicilian language quite distinct that exists, although dying.

    Ah, the wonders of being conquered by different peoples and living in small fortified towns on top of “mountains”.

  40. Richard S says:
    @Bubba

    I guess that in a manner of speaking, the terms used in northern Italy have that semantic value alright…

  41. @J.Ross

    There’s another great lost book about Sicily, the one Frank Zappa’s dad was always going to write (but never did), placing it at the center of world history.

    Zappa’s Sicilians were part-Arab.

    A good read about Sicily would be Vincent Schiavelli’s combination cookbook/travelogue. He traveled with his future wife, and they bought wedding rings early so they would have places to stay.

    He also wrote a cookbook/memoir called Bruculinu which is, as you might guess, about his native Kings County, N.Y.

  42. Richard S says:

    They pronounced Arabic wrong … They had no idea of what Iraqi legal and theological schools really believed … Nor did Sicilians know Islamic law properly, particularly in the countryside …

    Does this remind anyone else of the rulers’ contempt and hatred for the masses in our own day and age? An elite who despise us because we still haven’t been successfully indoctrinated into disavowing our own way of seeing the world and assimilating theirs?

  43. @Lot

    I hope she runs and wins.

    The district is majority black. I am not sure how the good people of Detroit feel about their elected representative concentrating on Palestinian issues rather than Detroit issues.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @Mr. Anon
  44. Ibn Hawqal was the stupid one. Onions are a culinary gift from God. (But maybe not raw)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Not raw. That’s why Indian restaurants smell like White Castle downwind.

  46. The only question you need to ask is what is Rashida Tlaib’s stance on immigration. I believe she voted against HR1048, which would removed the per country caps on H1-B Visa allowing virtually 99% usage by Indians in the IT sector.

    So, the answer to that question is that she is better than most Democrats (and many Republicans) on at least one immigration issue.

    And frankly, her stance on Israel is a pro-america one – we should keep our $ and spend it here on US citizens. And we should stay out of foreign wars.

    Yeah, she has some issues, but from my perspective she looks a heck of a lot better than you standard run of the mill Democrat (and many Republicans.)

  47. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Suhketu Mehta

  48. @nebulafox

    Norman and Arab elements are pretty muted. Transient ruling classes.

    I’ve read they are Greek and Latin, with the Greek element primary.

  49. @Jack D

    I mean the Greeks were better scholars, sure, but let’s not pretend their religion was any more sophisticated. In the most basic sense, they also worshipped nature and likely painted themselves (or otherwise adorned themselves, Brits used blue paint because there was little else around) during religious ceremonies. You ought to look into some of the Greek mystery cults- absolutely wild practices. One was dedicated to priapism.

  50. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I don’t make any distinction between the two parties.
    The Obama/Bush, Clinton/McCain, liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican evil axis is the enemy.
    The evil axis supports all wars, which are wars for defense industry profit and for Israel.
    The evil axis hates American workers, off-shoring their jobs and flooding the US with illegal immigrants for good measure to guarantee the death of American workers.
    The evil axis hates anglo saxons, slanders, reviles and spits on them at every opportunity, to break the Amerian people’s power of resistance.
    Trump is a small wedge loosening the evil axis’ grip on power. Trump is a blow-hard and too stupid and weak to get the job done, but he has also been a useful small wedge.
    He stalled and delayed in Syria and let the Russians win, which was the best thing to happen in American foreign policy in my lifetime. He has gotten us out of Syria. For that alone I will vote for him again.

  51. sayless says:
    @Svigor

    Put the onion in the freezer for a few minutes before you slice it, takes care of the vapors.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  52. Hillyer says:
    @J.Ross

    @34 J.Ross
    Would an audiobook version include cuts from “Weasels Ripped My Flesh”, or from “One Size Fits All?”

  53. @Jack D

    Times change. 2,000 years ago Greeks were noted as scholars and Brits liked to paint themselves blue and worship trees.

    So, what you’re saying is that both groups have regressed?

  54. Dissident says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I am not sure how the good people of Detroit feel about their elected representative concentrating on Palestinian issues rather than Detroit issues.

    Palestinian issues, per se, or the immense influence that the Zionist lobby has upon U.S. politics and foreign policy? Might the question of how Americans feel about the latter be the more germane one here? Is Ms. Tlaib more of an embarrassment than the U.S. Congress appearing to be, to quote Patrick J. Buchanan, “Zionist-occupied territory”?

    Incidentally, I always welcome seeing your comments here Paleo. iSteve needs more dissenting voices that, like yours, are reasonable, measured and intelligent.*

    (*This is by no means to suggest that I do not appreciate and find value in many of the comments that are in-line with the predominate range of views here. I certainly do. But too often, I find the comment threads to be like echo chambers. Worse are the comments that consist of nothing more than crude insults. Worst still are those like this one containing the charming turn-of-phrase “worthless Arab trash”. Such vile language is not only a rank embarrassment but also serves to legitimize the false claims that to favor immigration restriction or the right of white nations to remain majority-White and maintain their own ethnic identity is somehow inherently hateful, demeaning of others or otherwise reprehensible.)

    @DocDynamo:

    I think many probably most Republicans found the Christian Right to be at least somewhat embarrassing.

    I’m curious, has there ever been anyone on the Christian Right who you would consider more embarrassing or even as embarrassing than those Republicans who argue “The Conservative case for Same-Sex Marriage”, or for tolerating abominations such as Drag Queen Story Hour?

    The Frog Man:

    Interesting points. I certainly agree with your statements that “we should keep our $ and spend it here on US citizens. And we should stay out of foreign wars.”! John Quincy Adams’ warned Against the Search for “Monsters to Destroy. George Washington warned against foreign entanglements? Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against allowing the interests of the military-industrial complex to trump those of the nation. Will we ever heed such wise warnings?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  55. Sean says:

    An American once caused a sensation by saying he would publically eat a tomato. They were thought to be poisonous. Taleb does make the interesting point that 70% of lamb imported to the UK from New Zealand is Halal. Renormalisation or the power of minorities. Perhaps that is why he is so afraid of genes and intelligence researchers like Plomin who acrording to Taleb is guilty of serial mathematic fails. I think Taleb thinks it is bad to believe that what you are is genetic, even if that happens to be true. Plomin, who says parents matter but they don’t make a difference, is not a mathematics Phd. However

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    Verified account

    @nntaleb
    Aug 18
    More
    1/ The French have a distinction mathematician vs. “matheux”.
    + The mathematicia(e)n is like someone who composes music; doesn’t have to perform, be good w/instruments. Invents math.
    + The matheux is someone who plays an instrument; can be a virtuoso but doesn’t compose music

    Nassim Nicholas Taleb
    Verified account

    @nntaleb
    Aug 18
    More
    2/ I learned from a long career in math finance to never hire mathematicians (PhD in math) to solve math problems or toy with actual equations.
    You get a better payoff with a “matheux” who studied (undergrad) electrical engineering in India, Russia, Lebanon, or Brazil.

    It seems to me Taleb knows very well that Plomin is the one who is ‘good with instruments’ in this context. It is quite difficult to be convinced that something is bad to believe, but actually true. Hence, cognitive dissonance. Daniel Dennett is like that about Free Will, which he insists his materialist standpoint is compatible with a belief in. Dennett gets really quite annoyed with anyone telling the public they don’t have free will.

    Maybe it is bad to believe in genetic limitation of abilities and free will being a fairy story. As Taleb says, rationality oft times does not look like rationality.

  56. Tragic dirt can not grow magic onions.
    – Sicilian proverb

  57. Joe Joe says:
    @Lot

    Are you sure that isn’t Bill Belichick???

    • LOL: Bubba
  58. @Svigor

    Red onions are the bomb, try them, and you won’t look back.

  59. @Dan Hayes

    There were two reasons the Democratic Party incorrectly assumed a “blue wall” in the Midwest.

    The first reason was that Obama was far more popular in the Midwest than was Hillary Clinton.

    The other reason is that the Democratic Party never figured out what Obama knew: Mitch Romney and Paul Ryan were extremely unpopular among male candidates white Midwest blue collar workers.

    In 2012, there was an interesting gender gap. Obama got the plurality of the white Midwest male blue collar vote, while Romney got the plurality of the white Midwest female blue collar vote. Blue collar men simply hated the guy who bought up factories and moved the jobs to China.

    When blue collar men who voted for Obama went for Trump in 2016, many pundits could only think of racism as the cause. Meaning that a white guy who votes for a black man would only do so out of racism.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  60. @Paleo Liberal

    John McCain was horrible. I voted for Obama rather than vote for him. (I live in a blue state where my vote means nothing anyway.)

    I think George W Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes. He really screwed things up. He says the greatest threats to America are nativism, isolationism, and protectionism; I think we need some of each, which is why I voted for Trump.

    Mitt Romney is a lying backstabber. I used to despise Lindsey Graham, but I’ve developed a strange new respect for him. Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush are reprllent.

    Most of the people writing for National Review are useless cucks.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  61. Sean says:

    Five years ago, a series of analyses on a European database made these dreams seem within reach. People of northern European ancestry are on average taller than those of southern European ancestry. Researchers wanted to explore whether those differences were a result of natural selection. They found that the polygenic scores for height did indeed increase from southern to northern Europe, much more so than would be expected from the random fluctuations in variant frequencies called genetic drift.

    But now, two results published last month have cast doubt on those findings, and have illustrated that problems with interpretations of GWAS results are far more pervasive than anyone realized. The work has implications for how scientists think about the interactions between genetic and environmental effects. It also “raise[s] the ghosts of the possibility that we overestimate … how important genetics is in contributing to differences between people,” said Rasmus Nielsen, a biologist at the University of California, Berkeley.

    That database was larger and more homogeneous than the one that had driven the previous findings, and had been compiled much more systematically, reducing some of its biases just a bit. As a result, it yielded slightly different estimates for the small effect sizes associated with each of the variants, which weren’t a big deal in individual cases but added up to significantly different overall polygenic scores.
    “Maybe the Dutch just drink more milk, and this is why they’re taller,” Sunyaev added. “We can’t say otherwise with this analysis.”

    It’s when they’re accumulated to make inferences about differences between populations, both in evolutionary and medical contexts, that things can go wrong.
    “We have to go back to the thinking box,” Nielsen said. “This is a major wake-up call … a game changer.”

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/new-turmoil-over-predicting-the-effects-of-genes-20190423

    One difference between ancient popultions is that very soon after the tall Bell Beakers jad shown up in Western Europe, the original population were almost all dead. The Dutch do drink a lot of milk as do Nilotic tribes that are even taller. In the 10000 Year Explosion Cochran and Harpending suggested milk had something to do with the height of of the Yamanaya.

    Ava the 4,250 years old Bell Beaker girl found in the Scottish Highlands was from the Netherlands and she was lactose intolerant, yet at 5’7” tall she would have equaled the average non-Bell Beaker man of her time. I hate to think how big she would have been had she guzzled milk.

  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The district is majority black. I am not sure how the good people of Detroit feel about their elected representative concentrating on Palestinian issues rather than Detroit issues.

    I don’t know. Did John Conyers ever do his constitutents much good? Besides, there are a lot of muslims in Michigan now. Maybe Tlaib IS representing her constituents, many of them anyway. Why should I care? I mean, given the clown-show that America has become, why should I care? Populous regions of this country have essentially become a foreign country – foreign to me anyway.

    In any event, a US Representative, or two, or four, who focus a large share of their attention on Palestinian issues, is no more disturbing to me than the much larger number of Congressmen who seem to focus a large share of their attention on Israeli issues.

  63. Mr. Anon says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    A quick question to the many Republicans here:

    Are there any Republicans whom you find to be completely embarrassing? That you wish would just crawl under a rock and slither away?

    I’m not really a Republican any longer, though I still mostly vote for them (and I never vote for any Democrats). So, in answer to your question: Hell Yes!

    Peter King: lickspittle of the police/surveillance-state, just came out for an “assault-weapons” ban

    Kevin McCarthy: Stooge of Israel, betrayed his own caucus-member, Steve King

    Marco Rubio: All-round sock-puppet for Israel and the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex

    Lindsey Graham: Same as above

    Ted Cruz: Same as above

    Now that you mention it, pretty much all of them. I’ll give Mitch McConnel a little credit (just a little) for holding up Obama’s last Supreme Court nominee. The only Republican Senator who was much good was Sessions, and even he was far too deferential to the MIC and the Police.

    If you think anyone here is going to loudly stick up for Team Red, I think you have misjudged opinions here.

    The fact is, almost all Republican politicans are in the pocket of wealthy interests and do their bidding, rather than represent the people who vote for them. Same for the Democrats. Often those controlling interests are different. Often they are essentially the same.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Hunsdon
    , @dr kill
  64. Mr. Anon says:

    Speaking of things that make you stupid (and I’m not just talking about The Daily Beast):

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fluoridated-water-during-pregnancy-linked-to-lower-iqs-study-published-by-jama-pediatrics-says

    Maybe General Ripper was right after all, huh?

  65. J1234 says:

    Does This Remind You of Anybody?

    Reminds me of Raj Chetty, at least with regards to logic and causality (or maybe the lack of.)

  66. @Doc Dynamo

    The primary campaign of Pat Robertson in 1988 started a process where the Christian Right became more visible and more demanding and this repelled many traditional Republican suburban voters.

    Nice lady suburban Republicanism is the bane of the Republic – they’re more concerned about being perceived to be decent folk according to the conventions of the day pumped out by Manhattan/Hollywood/DC than they are in being decent folk by resisting the tide of CultMarx. They’re the reason it’s politically risky to deport anyone ever, and why it’s considered good parenting to feed your kids hormone blockers.

    The process of SJWization started in the 2008 campaign. Obama didn’t add any new groups to the Democratic coalition– in fact he narrowed it somewhat losing Appalachian whites that had voted for Clinton and even Dukakis. His strategy was to increase turnout among heavily Democratic voting groups Blacks, Hispanics, the young,single women etc. In 2008, he was able to do this without really promising anything because he offered the wonder of himself. Barrack Obama, the great transformer. He didn’t have to promise specific changes because everything would change once the Great Obama assumed power.

    Do you really not understand that these two groups increased in relative number exponentially since the days of Reagan? The Democrats are “woke” now because they feel that they don’t need non-Bugman whites anymore, and that’s a direct result of the project of electing a new people by importing the third world by licit and illicit means.

  67. Right. Sounds like Sailer.

  68. @Dissident

    I greatly appreciate the kind words.

    The echo chamber is one of the many things destroying America.

    I remember reading a self help book written in the early 1960s. The book recommended that if you are a Republican, make friends with Democrats to learn how they think, and the other way around as well.

    I once taught as a visiting professor in a college in the south where the political opinions among the faculty in my department ranged from very liberal to very conservative. I was an atheist and the most liberal professor in the department. My best friend was a hard core evangelical Christian and a very conservative Republican. I think we learned from each other. At least I learned from him.

    I have no illusions that I am another Daryl Davis. But I agree with him that as long as we are talking, we aren’t fighting.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  69. Anonymous[977] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    This dynamic doesn’t work the other way around. The “embarrassing” Republicans, e.g. Todd Akin, Michelle Bachmann, Allen West, that Secretary of State lady, and other assorted Floridians, are quickly ostracized and ghettoized by the Cathedral, which tirelessly promotes blatant traitors like McCain, Ryan, Romney, and Nikki Haley. I think at least the Doles are finally gone now. So Republican voters don’t have time to pretend to support the goofier ones, after defending against McCain et al.

    Also, the ones TPTB instruct you to be embarrassed about– Lee Atwater, Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann — aren’t really *that* embarrassing in retrospect. I have to omit the Cher/Madonna-esque figure of Sarah Palin because liberals haven’t stopped trying to clone their own version since.

    And to be clear, Tlaib isn’t embarrassing to or unpopular with many Dem voters. She’s embarrassing to their metro-gay Wall Street media minders, which includes the hasbara-con pundits. She is almost irrelevant to GOP voters except for laughs. They would never choose to live in her district, a well of unspoken solidarity with 99% of Dem voters who think the same but can’t openly say it.

  70. Bubba says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Excellent comment. And I can’t use the “Agree” button for the next hour.

  71. Paul says:

    There is an issue of causation. Were Sicilians idiots because they ate raw onions, or did they eat raw onions because they were idiots? As far as I know, this issue has yet to be resolved.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  72. @Paul

    More research is needed!

  73. Neoconned says:
    @Doc Dynamo

    Eh I’m from the South and was raised Southern Baptist…..you over generalize us and southerners in general. I’d argue it was Nixon more so who dtol ed the south & at Buchanan’s urging the Reagan campaign kept the “throwing bones to them” going

    I do agree the GOP gained more from the Moral Majority types than the far left gains from the SJW windbags.

    However Obama won for a combination of 2 reasons in 08: one – both Hillary and john “keep the troops in Iraq for 100 years” McCain were the candidates of endless war.

    You either forget or downplay the role the war weariness played in the 08 election. John McCain was WEEKS away from starting a draft and a Vietnam failure of an invasion of Syria, Iran etc and an LBJ type escalation in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Hillary talked basically the same vibe AS THE ECONOMY WAS CRASHING ALONG WITH THE ASSET MARKETS….

    The ONLY candidate who even TALKED(he lied and increased our involvement in the ME and meandered our withdrawals) about ending the wars and bringing the troops back home was Barack Obama.

    The ONLY candidate who even talked about the economy was Obama. The ONLY candidate who sounded like a sensible moderate Dem or Republican from the 70s or 80s was Barack Obama.

    People forget Obama supported capital punishment for child rapists in 2008(something most conservatives dont even support), and he also opposed gay marriage until 2012 when he claimed his position was “evolving ” after that idiot Joe Biden came out in support of gay marriage he shamed Obama into doing a Clintonian shift

    Obama was at best a moderate and hence why I supported him over both the man hating lesbian ball snipper and the neocon lunatic who wanted a WW2 style war but who would have gotten Vietnam because he was too pushy to use WMDs to pacify the ME had he invaded

    Either way Hillary and McCain would have meant a draft and me ending up like my PTSD suffering former coworker who was gut-shot in Fallujah and ended up a chain smoking nervous wreck who’s always a day away from sleeping underneath a cardboard box below a bridge.

    There was a mental case Vietnam vet in my old town who died last year named Robert. They found his body in his tent behind the dollar store strip mall in the woods.

    I saw what Vietnam did to my grandfather and to ppl like that. No way in hell that was happening to me. Under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

    Obama was the best of 3 real bad choices in 08.

    And Romney lost bad because like it or not the evangelicals who consider Mormonism a cult stayed home in the Midwest and in swing states like Virginia and Florida.

  74. Neoconned says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Dan this is more general commentary on your subject than a direct reply to you sir.

    Non evangelical and non Southern Republicans either downplay or outright fail to grasp the sheer dislike and mistrust of both Mormon candidates and the Mormon church in the Deep South & also with say Midwestern and some mid Atlantic and western Christians.

    In places like northern Florida and southern Virginia and even parts of say Iowa and Ohio evangelical groups like the American Family Association, Focus on the Family etc openly told Christians to stay home or go 3rd party. Huge numbers of state senators and representatives in southern legislatures openly opposed Romney and stayed home due to fear the Mormon church would gain political power the way it did when it swindled a good chunk of Howard Hughes money….

    Religion and traditions still matter in some parts of the country. I’m a former employee of Chic Fil A…..even in the Deep South it was a FOURTH RATE fast food franchise until the whole gay flare up few years back. When the grays launched a boycott local churches launched a counter anti gay “boycott” to make a political statement.

    Chic has really overpriced and mediocre hillbilly redneck mall food court garbage but they managed to turn themselves into the restaurant of the Religious Right and the Deep South.

    Last I read last year they’re on track to surpass Starbuxks as the nations 2nd largest and prosperous fast food joint after Mcds…..

    Few years back they were ranked like #25 or something…..

    Dont downplay the power of the Religious Right…..hypocrites though many of them be……

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  75. dr kill says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I voted for Trump for one reason, to murder the GOP.

  76. Dan Hayes says:
    @Neoconned

    Neoconned:

    Thanks for your interesting discussion regarding antipathy towards the Mormons. I had heard about this disdain but did not appreciate it since Mormons are few and far between in NYC.

  77. Frogger says:

    4chan has a word filter on some of its boards that changes the word “soy” to “onions”. Moderators became tired of posters insinuating that people they disagreed with were only doing so because soy had depleted their testosterone levels. I don’t know if that’s what Steve is referring to, but it’s the first place my mind went.

  78. Dissident says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The book recommended that if you are a Republican, make friends with Democrats to learn how they think, and the other way around as well.

    I recall reading a comment from Mr. Sailer in which he stated that he welcomed critical comments on his blog but acknowledged that most of his core readership did not. The comment, if memory serves, was in a thread on a mainstream blog that Mr. Sailer had participated in. This was several years ago; would the same blog still allow Mr. Sailer to post today? I wonder.

    I have no illusions that I am another Daryl Davis. But I agree with him that as long as we are talking, we aren’t fighting.

    That reminds me of something I once heard from the late radio and television host Alan Colmes. Elaborating upon his general opposition to war, Colmes said (paraphrasing from memory),

    I mean, in the end, you anyway have to sit down and talk and work things-out. So wouldn’t it be better to skip all the violence and bloodshed and just go straight to the talking?

    Incidentally, it may be thanks to Colmes that I eventually found my way to Unz and iSteve. I heard John Derbyshire as a guest one night on the radio show that Colmes used to host. That led to my discovering Radio Derb, which in turn led to my discovering a number of other Dissident Right figures.

    Returning to the topic you had raised earlier, I have little but disgust and contempt for either the Democrats or the Republicans. I find both parties to be little more than two wings of the same bird-of-prey. But, to anyone* who supports or defends Democrats, I must ask: When was the last time there was anything on the Republican side that can rival the coziness we have seen between the Democrats and one Al Sharpton? As amply documented at the URL I linked-to, Sharpton’s rich resume includes colorful language about Whites, Jews, homosexuals and even Mormons; incitement to riots and deadly arson; libel; and tax evasion. (But hey, nobody’s perfect.)

    (*So please don’t take this personally, Paleo, or think that I mean to single you out in any way here.)

    Surely you are aware that Sharpton spoke to standing ovation at that party’s 2004 National Convention. Are you also aware just how close and influential a relationship the very right Reverend enjoyed with both President Obama as well as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio? (Both of whom regularly received Sharpton as a VIP guest-of-honor.) Or how many other prominent Democrats have openly and unapologetically appeared with and honored the ? As odious as you may find Trump, is any Democrat who has not denounced their party’s embrace of Sharpton (let alone actively participated in it) in any position to lecture anyone else on racism, hatred or antisemitism?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  79. @Dissident

    I don’t take your criticism of Democrats personally.
    I need a pretty thick skin here. Some people take exception to Steve allowing a liberal Democrat to post, and I get nastier comments than that.

    I despise Al Sharpton. He is a dangerous race baiting con man. Democrats kiss his a$$ because he has supporters, and because they are scared of being called racist.

    I’ll give an example.

    Back in 2001, a rather mediocre Democrat names Mark Green was running for mayor of NYC. The original primary was declared null and void and they had a do over. Why? The original primary was Tuesday September 11, 2001. Some voters couldn’t get to the polls that day because some people did something. That really threw a monkey wrench in the election.

    Anyway, Green was doomed for several reasons.
    First, 9/11 made people want to vote for a competent administrative type, like Bloomberg.
    Second, Bloomberg had tons more money than Green.
    Third, Green was a boring guy.
    Fourth, Green accidentally insulted some very thin skinned black leaders.

    What were Green’s crimes?

    First, remember in those days Sharpton was very fat. The NY Post ran a vulgar cartoon showing an obese Sharpton farting. Green didn’t immediately denounce the cartoon as racist. It was disgusting and inappropriate, but more for making fun of obese people than being racist.

    Second, at one point Green was on a talk radio show and was asked to name the best NY mayor in recent years. He said he couldn’t decide which mayor had been the best. That deeply offended the incompetent and corrupt former mayor David Dinkins.

    After those two events, Sharpton and Dinkins asked black voters to stay home from the polls to punish Green for his racism. Bloomberg won and served 3 terms. Nobody ever heard of Green again.

    Or, go back to 1989. Mayor Ed Koch was finishing up his third term as mayor. Koch hater Sharpton and refused to even talk to Sharpton. Sharpton did everything he could to rally his supporters around David Dinkins, who was elected mayor.

    Dinkins was so bad that even though I disliked Guilliani, I voted for Rudy in 1993 just to get rid of Dinkins. And I NEVER vote for Republicans. Well, hardly ever.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  80. Dissident says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks for the followup, Paleo. I recall those days; at the time of the 9/11 massacre, I was living in a building from which I could see the Twin Towers from the rooftop. I recall the acrid smell that filled the air and hearing what seemed like endless ambulance sirens for some time after the towers fell.

    I’m sure you recall Bill Clinton blaming Dinkins’ loss of his bid for a second term on too many White voters not being willing to vote for a Black man. I find it a safe bet to assume that you found that deplorable.

  81. Svigor says:
    @sayless

    No shit? Will try that, thx.

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