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Patrick & Katherine Schwarzenegger, 2010

We are often told that “races” do not exist because Reasons.

But lots of things are hard to pin down precisely. For example, “extended families” clearly exist, but how far do they extend?

For instance, consider the famous Kennedy family.

Are the siblings shown above, Patrick & Katherine Schwarzenegger, members of the Kennedy family? They bear the surname of their father, the former Governor of California. Their mother is Marina Shriver, whose father Sargent Shriver wound up being the Democrats’ VP nominee in 1972. Their maternal grandmother Eunice’s maiden name was Kennedy.

Interestingly, Wikipedia identifies both of them as members of the Kennedy family:

Katherine Eunice Schwarzenegger[1] (born December 13, 1989)[1] is an American author and the oldest daughter of actor/politician Arnold Schwarzenegger and broadcast journalist Maria Shriver. A member of the Kennedy family, Schwarzenegger is a great-niece of John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States.

I don’t have a strong opinion on whether the latest Schwarzeneggers are Kennedys or not. (It could be that Wikipedia wouldn’t call them Kennedys if they were ugly.)

But I can live with this ambiguity without it calling into question the entire existence of the concept of an extended family.

 
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  1. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    No doubt this point has already been somewhere else, but to reiterate: a glass can be part empty and part full at the same time.

    Much of the race denialist obscurantism results from confusion/deception about this. For a concept like “whiteness” to be valid, not everyone needs to be described as either white or non-white. People can be part white and part non-white, and the proportion matters.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    "Whiter than you Mohammed."

    I guess 56% is over half-full.

    LOL
    , @Seamus Padraig
    So true. People often forget that the concept of mixed-race necessarily presupposes the concept of race.
    , @Voltara Smith
    Whether a glass is half full or half empty depends on who drank the first half
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  2. res says:

    Typo: Marina Shriver

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  3. Mishra says:

    Ahh, the Kennedys. Anyone who’s spent any time anywhere near any of them knows that one is a Kennedy when one’s trying get a date, or just about any other privilege. One is not a Kennedy when there’s any prospect of prosecution.

    If you want to see the meaning of the word frisson in action, attend a party in Boston when someone mentions that a Kennedy has arrived.

    Also worth remembering, meanwhile: All of Japan considers itself an extended family. I don’t see what’s so awful about that, but the NYT does.

    We are often told that “races” do not exist because Reasons.

    I love when you talk all woke like that ;)

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  4. Ivy says:

    The Kennedy case seems like a type of Mood Affiliation with a dash of status seeking and a soupçon of virtue signaling.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Yup. Note that powerful/famous clans assimilate those of others into their orbit.

    And the Kennedys are not a family per se, but indeed a clan in the Old World sense. But I guess that word is problematic.
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  5. Lugash says:

    The relevant question is: Should the Kennedys exist? I say no.

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    • Agree: Highlander, Kylie
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  6. Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?


    Arnold’s former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    No, not a Kennedy; this would be a bridge too far. But this young man looks a lot more Schwartzeneggerish than Ahnold's legitimate son shown at the top of this blog post!
    , @songbird
    Wonder if he checks the box.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I didn't realize that Arnold's former housekeeper is Jeb!'s current wife.
    , @Neuday
    Your dad is Arnold and you don't even lift, Pedro? A super-swole half-Mexican Arnold could have a real future in womens and maybe movies. Squandering the opportunities Americans won't . . . sheesh.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Depends on which photo you select.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=arnold+schwarzenegger+love+child+son&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=9WdidhBn3NdaoM%253A%252CSNC-yg64GhrjuM%252C_&usg=__q6o8fqZ188Y32d_ZP5bkx0UsYWE%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiduZOboNjaAhVjhOAKHc0xCGUQ9QEIPjAK#imgrc=fk1LZ72DS-nCQM:&spf=1524756438661
    , @Truth
    That's two females.

    The picture on the top is a girl on your left wearing an Oxford shirt, and a boy on your right.
    , @Anon
    Marlon Brando had 11 kids most by his Mexican maids, some by drug addicts and the mentally ill.

    As far as I know, the Mexican maids kids never made the papers for suicide murder drug addiction etc. something to be said for sturdy peasant stock.
    , @Stan Adams
    Arnold's legitimate son is ... chunky:
    https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Christopher-Schwarzenegger5.jpg

    But his love-child is pretty fit:
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/24/03/41B1E5C500000578-0-image-a-70_1498270234714.jpg
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  7. Twinkie says:
    @Ivy
    The Kennedy case seems like a type of Mood Affiliation with a dash of status seeking and a soupçon of virtue signaling.

    Yup. Note that powerful/famous clans assimilate those of others into their orbit.

    And the Kennedys are not a family per se, but indeed a clan in the Old World sense. But I guess that word is problematic.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    More of a crime family.

    I would imagine that the Kennedyness can be judged by the access to the trust funds.

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  8. @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    No, not a Kennedy; this would be a bridge too far. But this young man looks a lot more Schwartzeneggerish than Ahnold’s legitimate son shown at the top of this blog post!

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Kennedys and their relatives can never be sure of paternity.
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  9. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT — DEATH PANELS AND THOUGHT POLICE
    If you are British and have an opinion about the two high profile cases of removing ill children from life support and opting not to seek further treatment — sorry, that should have been getting ordered by a judge to not seek further treatment — then don’t go on social media unaware that the police are watching.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MerseyPolice/status/989184263592476673

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  10. To be a Kennedy, you need to be a direct descendant of Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, Bobby, and Ted. Also a square jaw helps.

    The example below is not a Kennedy:

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Also a square jaw helps.
     
    Joe’s most prominent living patrilineal scions have small chins and weak voices.
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  11. OT but Germany just immolated their main music award show over rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates in a lyric: http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=311563

    Thoughts @SteveSailer?

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    OT but Germany just immolated their main music award show over rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates in a lyric
     
    Win all round as far as I can see.

    Any music awards that reward rap "music" are a net cultural negative anyway, and the jewish/judeocuck censorship lobby just pissed off, alienated and woke a load more people with their inability to tolerate freedom of speech when it transgresses their own ideas of what must be held sacred.
    , @Lord Pao

    [German] rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates
     
    Both "rappers" were, of course, followers of the Religion of Peace. The quality Swiss daily Neue Zurcher Zeitung noted that rappers tend to be affiliated with criminal Arab clans established in Germany.
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  12. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve finally comes around to accepting that Kennedyness — and race — is a social construct.

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  13. BenKenobi says:
    @Anonymous
    No doubt this point has already been somewhere else, but to reiterate: a glass can be part empty and part full at the same time.

    Much of the race denialist obscurantism results from confusion/deception about this. For a concept like "whiteness" to be valid, not everyone needs to be described as either white or non-white. People can be part white and part non-white, and the proportion matters.

    “Whiter than you Mohammed.”

    I guess 56% is over half-full.

    LOL

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  14. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Doesn’t Logic make a distinction between categories with strict boundaries and categories with vague or overlapping boundaries? Pregnant or not pregnant are categories with strict boundaries. Hot and Cold are more problematic, but no one deliberately puts their hand on a hot stove, and no one freezes to death in a hot house.
    What are the technical terms from Logic for these distinctions? People who say race categories aren’t real because they don’t have strict boundaries are committing a logical fallacy. What is the name of the fallacy?
    Any logic profs to help us out here?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "Scalar" terms. 'Straight' is non-scalar: a line is either straight, or not; you can't have a line that's "more straight" than another. 'Red' is scalar: two things can both be red, but one redder than the other. "They" are trying to insist racial terms have to be non-scalar.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Intersectionalities?
    , @res
    That fallacy goes by many names, but I like "continuum fallacy."

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy
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  15. danand says:

    Hard to say if they’re real Kennedys or not at this point in their lives. But later if through their ineptitude/indifference they, or people with them, are tragically gone too soon; we’ll have better evidence.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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  16. Well, there’s no possible way this post could lead to a “Germanic vs. Celtic” shitfight in the comments.

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  17. Point taken about ambiguity, but this is a pretty easy case. Their great-grandfather is Joe Kennedy! They met their great-grandmother, Rose. They could be uglier than Quasimodo and would still be core members of the Kennedy family.

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  18. @Jonathan Mason
    To be a Kennedy, you need to be a direct descendant of Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, Bobby, and Ted. Also a square jaw helps.

    The example below is not a Kennedy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8RuXsrqumQ

    Also a square jaw helps.

    Joe’s most prominent living patrilineal scions have small chins and weak voices.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    And there's an excellent reason for that. See above post.
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  19. @Anonymous
    No doubt this point has already been somewhere else, but to reiterate: a glass can be part empty and part full at the same time.

    Much of the race denialist obscurantism results from confusion/deception about this. For a concept like "whiteness" to be valid, not everyone needs to be described as either white or non-white. People can be part white and part non-white, and the proportion matters.

    So true. People often forget that the concept of mixed-race necessarily presupposes the concept of race.

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  20. Perhaps “Kennedyness” is a (a)moral construct nicely captured by Jason Clarke in “Chappaquiddick.”

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  21. Brutusale says:
    @Twinkie
    Yup. Note that powerful/famous clans assimilate those of others into their orbit.

    And the Kennedys are not a family per se, but indeed a clan in the Old World sense. But I guess that word is problematic.

    More of a crime family.

    I would imagine that the Kennedyness can be judged by the access to the trust funds.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I'd rather deal with fictional Don Vito Corleone than Joe Kennedy Sr.
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  22. songbird says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    Wonder if he checks the box.

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  23. Sargent Shriver’s parents were second cousins.

    My wife refers to Maria Shriver as Skeletor. She was probably good looking in her 20′s, but she hit the wall hard by the time Arnie got around to her.

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  24. Travis says:

    Maria Shriver has the same amount of DNA from the family patriarch Joseph Kennedy as Caroline Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. had. The children of Caroline Kennedy thus have the same amount of Kennedy DNA as the children of Maria Shriver.

    The children of Maria Shriver have the same amount of “Kennedy” DNA as the grandchildren of Robert Kennedy ( Bobbie Kennedy III, Joe Kennedy III, Mariah Cuomo, etc..) RFK has over 30 grandchildren…all obtained 12% of their DNA from Joseph Kennedy Sr. as did the children of Maria Shriver.

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  25. AndrewR says:

    Genetically they’re just as Kennedyish as their second cousin, Congressman Shiny Lip Kennedy. But they are genetically superior due to having Ahnold’s genes.

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  26. @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    I didn’t realize that Arnold’s former housekeeper is Jeb!’s current wife.

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    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Kylie
    I see somebody wasn't too pleased with his "guaca bowl".
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  27. The Kennedy’s share the same privilege of duality as other tribes. Arnold’s kids will be Schwarzeneggers if they go into entertainment; they will be Kennedy’s if they go into politics.

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  28. You know you’re a Kennedy if:

    10) You live in a Compound that is NOT derided by those in authority as a place for white survivalists and cult members.

    9) You have so many odd-talking politicians in the family that their voices are preserved for posterity by Mayor Quimby on The Simpsons.

    8) Your H-1B visa security team members are important enough themselves to say “do you know who I am?” during traffic stops.

    7) Your name causes women to get all hot and bothered until they realize that nobody in your family can even get elected dog catcher in a majority-feline jurisdiction anymore.

    6) You have a family so big and worshiped by People magazine that it retains a full-time wedding planner who plans the individual weddings of your H-1B Visa contractor wedding planners.

    5) You are closely related to a family member who has ditched one of various types of conveyances, be it seaborne, airborne, or ground-borne/temporarily-airborne in multiple locations in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, mostly clustered to the south of lower New England.

    4) Your family tree has roots so deeply inserted into the clay pipe fittings of the sewer of Boston that even the most corrupt snake in city government is not long enough to clear it.

    3) You still appear in The National Enquirer and People magazines, even after having done nothing of note for 5 decades, and without even a contraction name, such as Brangelina or JacKenNassis.

    2) You have been personally instrumental in the demographic destruction of one or more advanced industrialized nations.

    Finally, the number 1 way you know you are a Kennedy is

    1) Your extended family is often compared to a beloved Middle-Ages cultural myth involving the Knights of the Round Table, when it’s behavior is usually closer to that of the Knights who say Nee!

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    i love this theory, though I assume there's likely a 3% chance or so it's true

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Conspiracy-theorist-claims-Hillary-Clinton-murdered-John-F-Kennedy-Jnr-planning-run-senate-seat-shocking-new-book.html
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  29. Oswald and Sirhan weren’t trying to kill Kennedys. They were just trying to eliminate Kennedyness.

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  30. Flip says:

    Cornelius Vanderbilt supposedly said when observing his daughters’ children, these children are very nice but they’re not Vanderbilts.

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  31. DCThrowback says: • Website

    I disagree with Shona.

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    She's a Sinead O' Connor clone.
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  32. Neuday says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    Your dad is Arnold and you don’t even lift, Pedro? A super-swole half-Mexican Arnold could have a real future in womens and maybe movies. Squandering the opportunities Americans won’t . . . sheesh.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    I don't know if Arnold could become an action superstar starting young again and from scratch. He'd have to take whatever projects the Rock said "no" to, as the Rock gets a lot of Pokemon points for being a mix of nearly everything. He's the globalist's Arnold. But maybe a slightly Hispanic Arnold could still make it big. Trouble is they don't go for muscle like they used to.
    , @MEH 0910, @Anonymous
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3546255/Terminator-training-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-coaches-look-alike-love-child-Joseph-gym-rare-picture-together.html
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  33. Randal says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    OT but Germany just immolated their main music award show over rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates in a lyric: http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=311563

    Thoughts @SteveSailer?

    OT but Germany just immolated their main music award show over rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates in a lyric

    Win all round as far as I can see.

    Any music awards that reward rap “music” are a net cultural negative anyway, and the jewish/judeocuck censorship lobby just pissed off, alienated and woke a load more people with their inability to tolerate freedom of speech when it transgresses their own ideas of what must be held sacred.

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  34. My mother is a Fitzgerald, so I suppose I merit inclusion in the extended Kennedy Clan. It has yet to confer the usual Kennedy benefits, and I’m not going to rape a drugged-up coed in a Compound somewhere to find out if I’m entitled to the ultimate Kennedy trump card.

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    Any relation to Edmund?
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  35. @danand
    Hard to say if they're real Kennedys or not at this point in their lives. But later if through their ineptitude/indifference they, or people with them, are tragically gone too soon; we'll have better evidence.

    We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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    • Replies: @CJ
    You mean, we’ll drive off that bridge when we come to it.
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  36. @Brutusale
    More of a crime family.

    I would imagine that the Kennedyness can be judged by the access to the trust funds.

    I’d rather deal with fictional Don Vito Corleone than Joe Kennedy Sr.

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  37. Mr. Anon says:

    What is the collective noun for a group of Kennedys? Like a flock of sheep, or a gaggle of geese?

    I vote for: a crash of Kennedys

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  38. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Doesn't Logic make a distinction between categories with strict boundaries and categories with vague or overlapping boundaries? Pregnant or not pregnant are categories with strict boundaries. Hot and Cold are more problematic, but no one deliberately puts their hand on a hot stove, and no one freezes to death in a hot house.
    What are the technical terms from Logic for these distinctions? People who say race categories aren't real because they don't have strict boundaries are committing a logical fallacy. What is the name of the fallacy?
    Any logic profs to help us out here?

    “Scalar” terms. ‘Straight’ is non-scalar: a line is either straight, or not; you can’t have a line that’s “more straight” than another. ‘Red’ is scalar: two things can both be red, but one redder than the other. “They” are trying to insist racial terms have to be non-scalar.

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  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold
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    • Replies: @OP
    https://www.google.com/search?q=arnold+schwarzenegger+love+child+son&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=9WdidhBn3NdaoM%253A%252CSNC-yg64GhrjuM%252C_&usg=__q6o8fqZ188Y32d_ZP5bkx0UsYWE%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiduZOboNjaAhVjhOAKHc0xCGUQ9QEIPjAK#imgrc=FPDysV2g9AhO6M:&spf=1524756438661

    That's a better one.
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  40. @anon
    Doesn't Logic make a distinction between categories with strict boundaries and categories with vague or overlapping boundaries? Pregnant or not pregnant are categories with strict boundaries. Hot and Cold are more problematic, but no one deliberately puts their hand on a hot stove, and no one freezes to death in a hot house.
    What are the technical terms from Logic for these distinctions? People who say race categories aren't real because they don't have strict boundaries are committing a logical fallacy. What is the name of the fallacy?
    Any logic profs to help us out here?

    Intersectionalities?

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  41. Truth says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    That’s two females.

    The picture on the top is a girl on your left wearing an Oxford shirt, and a boy on your right.

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  42. Truth says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Also a square jaw helps.
     
    Joe’s most prominent living patrilineal scions have small chins and weak voices.

    And there’s an excellent reason for that. See above post.

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  43. Get Back To This Shriver:

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    Lionel Shriver is exceedingly woke/based.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/sep/17/society


    "I propose that we have now experienced a second demographic transition. Rather than economics, the engine driving Europe's "birth dearth" is existential.

    To be almost ridiculously sweeping: baby boomers and their offspring have shifted emphasis from the communal to the individual, from the future to the present, from virtue to personal satisfaction.

    Increasingly secular, we pledge allegiance to lower-case gods of our private devising. We are less concerned with leading a good life than the good life. We are less likely than our predecessors to ask ourselves whether we serve a greater social purpose; we are more likely to ask if we are happy. We shun values such as self-sacrifice and duty as the pitfalls of suckers. We give little thought to the perpetuation of lineage, culture or nation; we take our heritage for granted. We are ahistorical. We measure the value of our lives within the brackets of our own births and deaths, and don't especially care what happens once we're dead.

    As we age - oh, so reluctantly! - we are apt to look back on our pasts and ask not 'Did I serve family, God and country?' but 'Did I ever get to Cuba, or run a marathon? Did I take up landscape painting? Was I fat?' We will assess the success of our lives in accordance not with whether they were righteous, but with whether they were interesting and fun."
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/22/immigration.comment

    "I've been obsessed with immigration for decades. Why? Because the whole world thinks it has a right to live in the US "

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  44. CJ says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

    You mean, we’ll drive off that bridge when we come to it.

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  45. Kylie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I didn't realize that Arnold's former housekeeper is Jeb!'s current wife.

    I see somebody wasn’t too pleased with his “guaca bowl”.

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  46. Lord Pao says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    OT but Germany just immolated their main music award show over rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates in a lyric: http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=311563

    Thoughts @SteveSailer?

    [German] rappers comparing their body fat percentage to that of Auschwitz inmates

    Both “rappers” were, of course, followers of the Religion of Peace. The quality Swiss daily Neue Zurcher Zeitung noted that rappers tend to be affiliated with criminal Arab clans established in Germany.

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  47. @Charles Pewitt
    Get Back To This Shriver:

    https://twitter.com/spectator/status/976139876461699072

    Lionel Shriver is exceedingly woke/based.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/sep/17/society

    “I propose that we have now experienced a second demographic transition. Rather than economics, the engine driving Europe’s “birth dearth” is existential.

    To be almost ridiculously sweeping: baby boomers and their offspring have shifted emphasis from the communal to the individual, from the future to the present, from virtue to personal satisfaction.

    Increasingly secular, we pledge allegiance to lower-case gods of our private devising. We are less concerned with leading a good life than the good life. We are less likely than our predecessors to ask ourselves whether we serve a greater social purpose; we are more likely to ask if we are happy. We shun values such as self-sacrifice and duty as the pitfalls of suckers. We give little thought to the perpetuation of lineage, culture or nation; we take our heritage for granted. We are ahistorical. We measure the value of our lives within the brackets of our own births and deaths, and don’t especially care what happens once we’re dead.

    As we age – oh, so reluctantly! – we are apt to look back on our pasts and ask not ‘Did I serve family, God and country?’ but ‘Did I ever get to Cuba, or run a marathon? Did I take up landscape painting? Was I fat?’ We will assess the success of our lives in accordance not with whether they were righteous, but with whether they were interesting and fun.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/22/immigration.comment

    “I’ve been obsessed with immigration for decades. Why? Because the whole world thinks it has a right to live in the US “

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    Lionel Shriver:

    To be almost ridiculously sweeping: baby boomers and their offspring have shifted emphasis from the communal to the individual, from the future to the present, from virtue to personal satisfaction.

     

    I have been saying that a good short-sharp-shock financial implosion would snap the European Christians out of their greed and demographic displacement. This is why I want the Federal Reserve Bank to raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent. That would pop all the asset bubbles and financially wipe the baby boomers out.

    In 2008, the decision was made to save the baby boomers, the globalized plutocrats, transnational corporations and the government workers by Zero Interest Rate Policy, asset purchases, dollar swaps, trillion dollar bailouts, ballooning the balance sheet of the Fed with toxic mortgage backed securities and more monetary extremism.

    Politics now boils down to this:

    Debt and Demography

    or, in other words,

    Monetary Extremism and Mass Immigration
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  48. Do “Kennedys” Exist?

    Screw those Kennedy Leprechauns.

    Bridges, ski slopes, airplanes, fireworks, drugs, alcohol…these Kennedy Leprechauns are a threat and a menace.

    The Owings exist, and they’re Welsh, and they’re better than any Leprechaun Kennedy crash artists.

    Maria OWINGS Shriver has some Welsh ancestry. She also has German ancestry from the Schreiber blood that became the Shriver name.

    I presume that Maria got her middle name from her ancestor Mary Margaret Josephine Owings.

    I have a Margret Elizabeth Owings in my ancestry. Her parents were Nathaniel Owings and Phebe Larue. She was born in Illinois, married William Hartwell Pewitt, had 7 children, and died in Tennessee.

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  49. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    Marlon Brando had 11 kids most by his Mexican maids, some by drug addicts and the mentally ill.

    As far as I know, the Mexican maids kids never made the papers for suicide murder drug addiction etc. something to be said for sturdy peasant stock.

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  50. Yeah, they’re Kennedys just like my long ago best dog ever was a member of the Rin Tin Tin family, and his mom was descended from Lassie. The Kennedys are mutts and some of them should have been neutered or spayed. Why don’t they just go away?

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  51. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    No, not a Kennedy; this would be a bridge too far. But this young man looks a lot more Schwartzeneggerish than Ahnold's legitimate son shown at the top of this blog post!

    Kennedys and their relatives can never be sure of paternity.

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  52. songbird says:
    @Neuday
    Your dad is Arnold and you don't even lift, Pedro? A super-swole half-Mexican Arnold could have a real future in womens and maybe movies. Squandering the opportunities Americans won't . . . sheesh.

    I don’t know if Arnold could become an action superstar starting young again and from scratch. He’d have to take whatever projects the Rock said “no” to, as the Rock gets a lot of Pokemon points for being a mix of nearly everything. He’s the globalist’s Arnold. But maybe a slightly Hispanic Arnold could still make it big. Trouble is they don’t go for muscle like they used to.

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  53. songbird says:

    Maria Shriver once said something really funny, when taking a pot shot at Arnold.

    I wish I could remember the exact quote – but I’m pretty sure she invoked two of her relations, including at least one of her uncles (Ted?) and said something like they knew how to treat a woman with respect.

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  54. @Anonymous
    No doubt this point has already been somewhere else, but to reiterate: a glass can be part empty and part full at the same time.

    Much of the race denialist obscurantism results from confusion/deception about this. For a concept like "whiteness" to be valid, not everyone needs to be described as either white or non-white. People can be part white and part non-white, and the proportion matters.

    Whether a glass is half full or half empty depends on who drank the first half

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  55. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You know you're a Kennedy if:

    10) You live in a Compound that is NOT derided by those in authority as a place for white survivalists and cult members.

    9) You have so many odd-talking politicians in the family that their voices are preserved for posterity by Mayor Quimby on The Simpsons.

    8) Your H-1B visa security team members are important enough themselves to say "do you know who I am?" during traffic stops.

    7) Your name causes women to get all hot and bothered until they realize that nobody in your family can even get elected dog catcher in a majority-feline jurisdiction anymore.

    6) You have a family so big and worshiped by People magazine that it retains a full-time wedding planner who plans the individual weddings of your H-1B Visa contractor wedding planners.

    5) You are closely related to a family member who has ditched one of various types of conveyances, be it seaborne, airborne, or ground-borne/temporarily-airborne in multiple locations in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, mostly clustered to the south of lower New England.

    4) Your family tree has roots so deeply inserted into the clay pipe fittings of the sewer of Boston that even the most corrupt snake in city government is not long enough to clear it.

    3) You still appear in The National Enquirer and People magazines, even after having done nothing of note for 5 decades, and without even a contraction name, such as Brangelina or JacKenNassis.

    2) You have been personally instrumental in the demographic destruction of one or more advanced industrialized nations.

    Finally, the number 1 way you know you are a Kennedy is

    1) Your extended family is often compared to a beloved Middle-Ages cultural myth involving the Knights of the Round Table, when it's behavior is usually closer to that of the Knights who say Nee!
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    By itself it's funny. Consider it in light of the overall picture of suicides, plane crashes, and freak deaths of people that threatened the Clintons. I used to laugh at people who talked about Vince Foster, but the trends continued. The fact is, the strongest thing exonerating the Clintons of all this is the fact that they're white first-worlders. An African political family surrounded by all these bodies would not get such benefit of the doubt.
    , @Anon
    Could you look into that theory Jonathan?
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  56. The more interesting question is, “If Kennedys didn’t exist, would we have to invent them?”

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  57. MEH 0910 says:
    @Neuday
    Your dad is Arnold and you don't even lift, Pedro? A super-swole half-Mexican Arnold could have a real future in womens and maybe movies. Squandering the opportunities Americans won't . . . sheesh.
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  58. @CJ
    You mean, we’ll drive off that bridge when we come to it.

    Now don’t bring up old scandals–they’re all water under the bridge

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    Good one!!!
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  59. @YetAnotherAnon
    Lionel Shriver is exceedingly woke/based.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/sep/17/society


    "I propose that we have now experienced a second demographic transition. Rather than economics, the engine driving Europe's "birth dearth" is existential.

    To be almost ridiculously sweeping: baby boomers and their offspring have shifted emphasis from the communal to the individual, from the future to the present, from virtue to personal satisfaction.

    Increasingly secular, we pledge allegiance to lower-case gods of our private devising. We are less concerned with leading a good life than the good life. We are less likely than our predecessors to ask ourselves whether we serve a greater social purpose; we are more likely to ask if we are happy. We shun values such as self-sacrifice and duty as the pitfalls of suckers. We give little thought to the perpetuation of lineage, culture or nation; we take our heritage for granted. We are ahistorical. We measure the value of our lives within the brackets of our own births and deaths, and don't especially care what happens once we're dead.

    As we age - oh, so reluctantly! - we are apt to look back on our pasts and ask not 'Did I serve family, God and country?' but 'Did I ever get to Cuba, or run a marathon? Did I take up landscape painting? Was I fat?' We will assess the success of our lives in accordance not with whether they were righteous, but with whether they were interesting and fun."
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/22/immigration.comment

    "I've been obsessed with immigration for decades. Why? Because the whole world thinks it has a right to live in the US "

    Lionel Shriver:

    To be almost ridiculously sweeping: baby boomers and their offspring have shifted emphasis from the communal to the individual, from the future to the present, from virtue to personal satisfaction.

    I have been saying that a good short-sharp-shock financial implosion would snap the European Christians out of their greed and demographic displacement. This is why I want the Federal Reserve Bank to raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent. That would pop all the asset bubbles and financially wipe the baby boomers out.

    In 2008, the decision was made to save the baby boomers, the globalized plutocrats, transnational corporations and the government workers by Zero Interest Rate Policy, asset purchases, dollar swaps, trillion dollar bailouts, ballooning the balance sheet of the Fed with toxic mortgage backed securities and more monetary extremism.

    Politics now boils down to this:

    Debt and Demography

    or, in other words,

    Monetary Extremism and Mass Immigration

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  60. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neuday
    Your dad is Arnold and you don't even lift, Pedro? A super-swole half-Mexican Arnold could have a real future in womens and maybe movies. Squandering the opportunities Americans won't . . . sheesh.
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  61. J.Ross says: • Website
    @DCThrowback
    i love this theory, though I assume there's likely a 3% chance or so it's true

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Conspiracy-theorist-claims-Hillary-Clinton-murdered-John-F-Kennedy-Jnr-planning-run-senate-seat-shocking-new-book.html

    By itself it’s funny. Consider it in light of the overall picture of suicides, plane crashes, and freak deaths of people that threatened the Clintons. I used to laugh at people who talked about Vince Foster, but the trends continued. The fact is, the strongest thing exonerating the Clintons of all this is the fact that they’re white first-worlders. An African political family surrounded by all these bodies would not get such benefit of the doubt.

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  62. @Buzz Mohawk
    Those Kennedy genes must be strong. The girl has that same JFK/RFK clone look they all seem to have.

    The boy, on the other hand, looks like another son of Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow.

    BTW are these people Kennedys?

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/joseph-baena-and-mom-mildred-2-pic.jpg
    Arnold's former housekeeper and the Kennedy she made with Arnold

    Arnold’s legitimate son is … chunky:

    But his love-child is pretty fit:

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  63. OP says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Depends on which photo you select.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=arnold+schwarzenegger+love+child+son&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=9WdidhBn3NdaoM%253A%252CSNC-yg64GhrjuM%252C_&usg=__q6o8fqZ188Y32d_ZP5bkx0UsYWE%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiduZOboNjaAhVjhOAKHc0xCGUQ9QEIPjAK#imgrc=fk1LZ72DS-nCQM:&spf=1524756438661
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  64. The most interesting example is Michael Skakel, frequently called a “Kennedy cousin” even though in fact he has no Kennedy blood whatsoever.

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  65. Hibernian says:
    @DCThrowback
    I disagree with Shona.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a6hu6Z7Pkg

    She’s a Sinead O’ Connor clone.

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  66. Hibernian says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    My mother is a Fitzgerald, so I suppose I merit inclusion in the extended Kennedy Clan. It has yet to confer the usual Kennedy benefits, and I'm not going to rape a drugged-up coed in a Compound somewhere to find out if I'm entitled to the ultimate Kennedy trump card.

    Any relation to Edmund?

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  67. res says:
    @anon
    Doesn't Logic make a distinction between categories with strict boundaries and categories with vague or overlapping boundaries? Pregnant or not pregnant are categories with strict boundaries. Hot and Cold are more problematic, but no one deliberately puts their hand on a hot stove, and no one freezes to death in a hot house.
    What are the technical terms from Logic for these distinctions? People who say race categories aren't real because they don't have strict boundaries are committing a logical fallacy. What is the name of the fallacy?
    Any logic profs to help us out here?

    That fallacy goes by many names, but I like “continuum fallacy.”

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

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    For an example of this seen in the wild (always fun) see this comment along with my response: http://www.unz.com/isteve/ian-holmes-what-happens-when-geneticists-talk-sloppily-about-race/#comment-2306484
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  68. res says:
    @res
    That fallacy goes by many names, but I like "continuum fallacy."

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

    For an example of this seen in the wild (always fun) see this comment along with my response: http://www.unz.com/isteve/ian-holmes-what-happens-when-geneticists-talk-sloppily-about-race/#comment-2306484

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  69. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Netflix just sent me a notice . There’s a Bobby Kennedy for President movie on it.

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  70. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @DCThrowback
    i love this theory, though I assume there's likely a 3% chance or so it's true

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Conspiracy-theorist-claims-Hillary-Clinton-murdered-John-F-Kennedy-Jnr-planning-run-senate-seat-shocking-new-book.html

    Could you look into that theory Jonathan?

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  71. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Now don't bring up old scandals--they're all water under the bridge

    Good one!!!

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  72. Last time I checked family names in European cultures were transmitted through patrilineal descent. Which hardly makes twins from OP, Kennedys… But anything with patri is not mainstream today.

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