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From the Los Angeles Times:

Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon. Who will be the first woman?

By DEBORAH NETBURN STAFF WRITER
JULY 18, 2019 5 AM

Fifty years after a military test pilot made the first striated boot prints in the thick gray powder of the lunar surface, NASA has an ambitious plan to send humans back to the moon by 2024.

But this time there’s a twist.

The next time a pair of astronauts set foot on the moon, the space agency has vowed that at least one of them will be a woman.

“I think most women would say it’s about time,” said former astronaut Janet Kavandi , director of NASA’s Glenn Research Center in Cleveland. “Women have been in the astronaut corps for decades now. We’ve gone everywhere else our male counterparts have gone.”

NASA is so serious about sending a woman to the moon that it has named its new lunar program Artemis. In Greek mythology, Artemis is the goddess of the moon and twin sister of the sun god Apollo.

“Having women astronauts on the moon is something that is long overdue,” said NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine. “And because we have this very diverse, highly qualified astronaut corps, we can make that a reality.”

Jeff Hoffman, another former astronaut who’s now a professor at MIT, said that sending a woman to walk on the moon would be deeply symbolic.

“When people ask when I knew I wanted to be an astronaut, I always say that like every other red-blooded boy, I was inspired by the men who flew on Apollo,” he said. “Unfortunately, the red-blooded girls didn’t have those role models.”

Between 1969 and 1972, a total of 12 humans walked on the moon. All of them were American, white and male.

“It was a very homogenous group,” former astronaut and NASA administrator Charles Bolden said in a speech honoring the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11.

If human beings are actually going to live and procreate future generations in space, then of course women are essential. On the other hand, I’m not sure we are anywhere close to that yet. Trump’s idea of going back to the Moon in 2024 basically sounds like his retirement party for himself.

… But studies have found that space radiation puts female astronauts at greater risk of dying from cancer compared with their male counterparts.

“This is a major concern,” Donoviel said. “The current permissible limits to time in space end up being twice as long for men than women.”

Generally speaking, the L.A. Times’ lady science reporters usually put some interesting details like these in their stories somewhere.

On the other hand, at least 17 male astronauts have developed a condition called spaceflight-associated neuro-ocular syndrome, or SANS. This is a swelling of the optic nerve that occurs when the lack of gravity causes fluids in the body to shift, allowing pressure to build up behind the eye. SANS can lead to vision loss — an ailment that could quickly derail a mission.

“We are not seeing it in women, and people don’t understand why,” Donoviel said.

Heinlein would have been pleased. In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.

Unlike the Apollo missions, which landed near the moon’s equator, Artemis will explore the lunar south pole. There, craters stuck in permanent shadow are believed to harbor millions of tons of water ice.

Hopefully. Basically, after all these years, rocketing away from Earth’s gravity remains insanely expensive. Saturn V launches cost something like a billion dollars each in today’s money. So the only hope that space travel can pay is if you can find a lot of H20 where you are headed.

 
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  1. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    back to the moon: lol

    one BILLION dollars! sure, that’s the catch.

    say, when will russia–current space leaders whose rockets we use–get close to the moon for the first time?

  2. In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.

    forgotten that

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    "A pilot? Go through that door, young lady!"
    "Uh, do you boys need something?"
    , @El Dato
    LOLZ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzqveh07tg

    NSFW because harsh language
    , @notanon
    having gender specific roles for gender specific reasons is a lot more sci fi imo
    , @L Woods
    This was only in the book version. In truth of course, women generally make lousy pilots.
    , @Gordo
    Is it in The Forever War where there are equal numbers of Male and female infantry and they have to take turns with eachother?

    One of the Starship Troopers novels of rebuttal anyway.

    Anyone?
    , @mmack
    The drop ship pilot in Aliens is female too:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSuYpaFd10

    Hopefully NASA will remind female astronauts to keep the hatches and loading ramps secured at all times:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5tF529mmjnM

  3. Strangely, stories from 2119, if we still have human space travel, will complain that the infinite blackness of space is too White. And Male.

    • Replies: @notanon
    PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white.
  4. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    “A pilot? Go through that door, young lady!”
    “Uh, do you boys need something?”

  5. But this time there’s a twist.

    As long as there is not a twerk.

  6. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I’m making you do it, so I’ll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn’t get put in the movie).

    Also: While living in Los Angeles, Verhoven talked himself into being invited to membership in the Jesus Seminar, a prominent group of academic Christian theologians analyzing the gospels for various layers of historical edits. Weirdly, Verhoven is quite the expert on the topic. Verhoven eventually published a book detailing what he thinks really went down during Jesus’s life, myth versus fact, and it’s really convincing.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I’m making you do it, so I’ll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn’t get put in the movie).
     
    Oh no, not weird at all.

    For the love of Pete, Verhoeven was damn near 60 when that movie was made. If you're into exhibitionism just go to a nude beach. Verhoeven is Dutch. He knows where to find them. People at nude beaches expect to see fat old pasty white men in the nude.

    Cute young actresses (and actors) in Hollyweird? Oh, nevermind...I guess they're used to it, too.
    , @Hank Yobo
    The terms "Christian" and "Jesus Seminar" do not equate since members of the latter do not believe in the divinity of Christ nor his resurrection from the dead: both key tenets of the "Christian" faith.
    , @Trutherator
    Not convincing to somebody who knows archeology or history. Assertions are not evidence, neither are anything-but-that objections to the best evidence. The for gospels are written testimonies. You can't discount them just because you decide you can't believe them.
  7. Strangely, stories from 2119, if we still have human space travel, will complain that the infinite blackness of space is too White. And Male.

    It’s been fixed, already.

  8. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    LOLZ

    NSFW because harsh language

    • Replies: @notanon
    lolz
  9. The next man on the moon, and the first woman, will most likely be Chinese.

    The USA could try to compete, but to finance another moonshot program it would need to borrow the money – from the Chinese.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    China plan to build and launch a Saturn V class rocket around about 2030, years behind SpaceX
  10. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    having gender specific roles for gender specific reasons is a lot more sci fi imo

  11. @Redneck farmer
    Strangely, stories from 2119, if we still have human space travel, will complain that the infinite blackness of space is too White. And Male.

    PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    "PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white."

    this.

    democrat presidents from here on out will can NASA, just like obama did. space flight programs will be cancelled and that money will be diverted to free healthcare for the incoming third world hordes.

    it's humorous these articles about NASA sending women or africans to the moon. that's only the kind of stuff these people write when european men start talking about space again. but once european men aren't in charge anymore, the women and vibrants immediately drop space travel projects.

    so it's either you get space travel done by highly capable european men, with the women and vibrants complaining that they weren't involved, or you get no space travel at all.

    there is no in between condition - vibrant space travel. that will never exist.

    kind of like almost everything else. european men either do something, with the other humans complaining about it, or nothing happens at all. european men create universities, sports leagues, entire nations, the other groups complain loudly, create nothing, demand the only creating group on earth, european men, give up everything they created.

    it's kind of a problem, since eventually you have to wonder, what is the point of creating anything from scratch, since the vibrants will always show up afterwards, screaming that you can't have that thing you created from scratch and that has major value - you have to turn it over to us.

  12. if the soviets had run / were still around and running a lunar programme, I’m sure they’d have put a couple of women on the moon already.

  13. And everyone will applaud and applaud and pretend it was some great accomplishment ‘proving’ sexism wrong. Conservatives, of course, included.

  14. So this is going to be like Ghostbusters II, where the original Apollo program gets remade, but with women instead of men.

  15. @El Dato
    LOLZ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzqveh07tg

    NSFW because harsh language

    lolz

  16. iSteve Blog readers and an eclectic and erudite bunch, so it disappoints me that I’m the first one to propose the perfect soundtrack for NASA’s next trip to the moon, courtesy of Gil Scott-Heron.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Today it's "I still can't pay no bill .. and no whitey's on the bus"

    (That dumbass "song" inflames my hate so much, it's stronger stuff than Reichsender Berlin propaganda)
  17. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    This was only in the book version. In truth of course, women generally make lousy pilots.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    "Only in 'the book version?'" The novel is the art. That some shitty movie was made bearing only the most passing and superficial relation thereto is irrelevant and to every point Heinlein was making. About the only thing that film takes from Heinlein's Starship Troopers is its name.

    Please don't be that guy going on about how powerful Arwen is and asking "who the Hell is Glorfindel?"
  18. Trump’s idea of going back to the Moon in 2024 basically sounds like his retirement party for himself.

    What, you thought Trump was going to pull a George Washington?

  19. It bugs the hell out of me that people won’t spell “homogeneous” right.

  20. Between 1969 and 1972, a total of 12 humans walked on the moon. All of them were American, white and male.

    The nerve of those Americans for sending American people on an expensive trip paid for by American taxpayers. The Somali, Rwandan and Zimbabwean space agencies were all soon able to land black people on the moon, and the Isle of Lesbos Space Agency sent a team of womyn in a lunar lander with full shag carpeting (it was the 60s, after all)

    But racist, sexist Americans refused to do send women or blacks, even though the Age of Flight had begun with the invention of the aeroplane by two sisters/lesbian lovers, Orvellina and Wilhelmina Wright. Zhey first launched zheir first plane from Fire Island, New York before the island was overrun by violent, redblooded cishetero binarystraight men who immediately destroyed all evidence of zheir accomplishment.

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.

    Probably because Heinlein anticipated those tit-illating coed shower scenes in the movie version of his book.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    "The Somali, Rwandan and Zimbabwean space agencies were all soon able to land black people on the moon"

    actually, black americans got there first. before even NASA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8

    ken burns told me so.

  21. @NJ Transit Commuter
    iSteve Blog readers and an eclectic and erudite bunch, so it disappoints me that I’m the first one to propose the perfect soundtrack for NASA’s next trip to the moon, courtesy of Gil Scott-Heron.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

    Today it’s “I still can’t pay no bill .. and no whitey’s on the bus”

    (That dumbass “song” inflames my hate so much, it’s stronger stuff than Reichsender Berlin propaganda)

  22. @Anon
    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I'm making you do it, so I'll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn't get put in the movie).

    Also: While living in Los Angeles, Verhoven talked himself into being invited to membership in the Jesus Seminar, a prominent group of academic Christian theologians analyzing the gospels for various layers of historical edits. Weirdly, Verhoven is quite the expert on the topic. Verhoven eventually published a book detailing what he thinks really went down during Jesus's life, myth versus fact, and it's really convincing.

    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I’m making you do it, so I’ll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn’t get put in the movie).

    Oh no, not weird at all.

    For the love of Pete, Verhoeven was damn near 60 when that movie was made. If you’re into exhibitionism just go to a nude beach. Verhoeven is Dutch. He knows where to find them. People at nude beaches expect to see fat old pasty white men in the nude.

    Cute young actresses (and actors) in Hollyweird? Oh, nevermind…I guess they’re used to it, too.

  23. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    Is it in The Forever War where there are equal numbers of Male and female infantry and they have to take turns with eachother?

    One of the Starship Troopers novels of rebuttal anyway.

    Anyone?

    • Replies: @Corn
    Lol yes. In The Forever War (good book imo) the infantry is coed and there is a “sleeping roster” where soldiers rotate sex partners.
  24. Who will be the first woman on the moon? Um, so am I to understand that the LA Times doesn’t give a sh*t about the trans community?

    And, if the LA Times is really concerned about getting women to the moon, it should also ensure that NASA rids itself of toxic, violent, micro-aggressive ‘mansplaining’.

    • Replies: @Scarecrow
    Just what we need. Rats, feces and used needles on the moon.
  25. Has there ever been a society in human history where women were so fanatically obsessed with accomplishing what the most accomplished of men achieve? Do women in China act this way?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    From my knowledge of the Chairman Mao times, the idea was that everyone was to be thought of as equal, which explains the rice-bowl haircuts on everybody and the Chairman Mao jackets*. I don't know how much the Chinese really believed it, but in the long term, it's had its effect.

    It's what the Commies do, everywhere. Having men run the family as per nature and the Bible is a real threat to the power of Socialism and The State.

    Hmmm ... could that be why we're seeing all of this here? You've first got to destroy the family, if you're really gonna change society for the better. Forward Soviet!

    .

    * I wish I had a hundred cases of them. I think they'll come back in style as a retro thing, moths notwithstanding.
  26. Nothing against NASA’s Moon Maid business, but I’m holding out for Thuvia, Maid of Mars.

  27. @notanon

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    forgotten that

    The drop ship pilot in Aliens is female too:

    Hopefully NASA will remind female astronauts to keep the hatches and loading ramps secured at all times:

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Aliens was closer in some ways to the Starship Troopers novel than the actual Starship Troopers film was, with the atmospheric drops and the semi-automated weapon systems. They couldn't recreate the portable battle armour because they didn't really have CGI in 1986, but Verhoeven's Starship Troopers probably could have in 1997 but didn't even try. They made the Bugs just as intimidating as the book, but humans weapons were a joke compared to the novel's.
  28. I thought Neil Armstrong was a civilian and that was why he was chosen to be first man.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    The selection was for purely theatrical reasons, a nod to The Bard:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortinbras

    Having a first name meaning “Champion” didn’t hurt.

    My theory.

    The first woman should be Celine Dion...
  29. I suspect Trump’s retirement party will be in 2021, given how much his base been disappointed by him. He’d better tell NASA to get cracking on that moon mission.
    Well, at least we can enjoy the count-down to the day President Kushner will have to move out of the Pale Stale Male House.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    given how much his base been disappointed by him
     
    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It's not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.
  30. So the only hope that space travel can pay is if you can find a lot of H20 where you are headed.

    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?

    The greatest hope for real future space exploration is a future Gold Rush. This is what drove discovery of the New World. The asteroid Psyche orbits in the asteroid belt between Mar and Jupiter. It is the size of Massachusetts and it appears to be made entirely of metal (not metal ores but pure metal) – mainly iron and nickel but also quintillions of $ worth of gold, platinum, etc. If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it’s not so crazy.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?
     
    Non, because without volatiles, youse ain't gonna nowhere fast.

    Space is not like the sea. You can't capture the wind. You need to burn a lot of stuff and throw it away at very high velocities. That stuff you cannot bring up from Earth because that's way too expensive (rocket equation etc.). So you need to find it elsewhere.

    If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it’s not so crazy.
     
    Bringing it "home" (and refining it) would rapidly zero the the price of iron. As for "bringing back gold", good luck. It will be nicely distributed all over over a monster mass of nickel-iron, not in nice lodes as Earth's geological and biological processes create.

    This space mining business is bullshit. It's in particular bullshit as no-one is allowed to lift nuclear reactors into orbit.
    , @Corn
    I read once there is an asteroid that’s been identified (perhaps the one you mentioned), that contains more iron than humans have mined in the entire history of Earth.

    I’m also reminded of writer S.M. Stirling’s Draka trilogy. Towards the end of that trilogy the Draka abandon the gold standard when the US drags a solid gold asteroid into Earth orbit.
  31. @Alfa158
    I suspect Trump’s retirement party will be in 2021, given how much his base been disappointed by him. He’d better tell NASA to get cracking on that moon mission.
    Well, at least we can enjoy the count-down to the day President Kushner will have to move out of the Pale Stale Male House.

    given how much his base been disappointed by him

    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It’s not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It’s not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.
     
    Precisely. I was disappointed by Dubya. But what was the alternative? Gore? Kerry? McCain? Just because someone would really like a Bentley won't prevent him from settling for a Chevy to get around in. It's better than walking everywhere.
    , @Alfa158
    True, but the question is whether their distaste for Warren will be strong enough to offset their fading enthusiasm for Trump. Sometimes what turns elections is how much enthusiasm each side has and the how a few percentages difference in enthusiasm turns the election.
  32. NASA has an ambitious plan to send humans back to the moon by 2024.

    But this time there’s a twist.

    The next time a pair of astronauts set foot on the moon, the space agency has vowed that at least one of them will be a woman.

    NASA is not going back to the moon in less than 5 years. There’s no lunar lander being built, there’s no real effort being made. Even the NASA of 1962 couldn’t mount a mission in 5 years and in America 2019 there’s not a chance. The next time humans set foot on the moon they will be Chinese men. When is the US sending women to the moon? Maybe never – the more you pursue the goal of sending specifically women (blacks, transgender, etc.) to the moon instead of sending the best damn people you can find regardless of race, gender, color, etc. the less likely that you are actually going to be sending anyone.

    If you google image search “Apollo software” virtually all of the images that actually relate to the moon shot show a picture of Margaret Hamilton. Although hundreds of programmers worked at the MIT Instrumentation Lab, Marge single handedly sent us to the moon. She is the Hidden Figure of Apollo.

  33. @Anon
    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I'm making you do it, so I'll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn't get put in the movie).

    Also: While living in Los Angeles, Verhoven talked himself into being invited to membership in the Jesus Seminar, a prominent group of academic Christian theologians analyzing the gospels for various layers of historical edits. Weirdly, Verhoven is quite the expert on the topic. Verhoven eventually published a book detailing what he thinks really went down during Jesus's life, myth versus fact, and it's really convincing.

    The terms “Christian” and “Jesus Seminar” do not equate since members of the latter do not believe in the divinity of Christ nor his resurrection from the dead: both key tenets of the “Christian” faith.

    • Agree: 95Theses
  34. @Jack D

    So the only hope that space travel can pay is if you can find a lot of H20 where you are headed.
     
    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?

    The greatest hope for real future space exploration is a future Gold Rush. This is what drove discovery of the New World. The asteroid Psyche orbits in the asteroid belt between Mar and Jupiter. It is the size of Massachusetts and it appears to be made entirely of metal (not metal ores but pure metal) - mainly iron and nickel but also quintillions of $ worth of gold, platinum, etc. If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it's not so crazy.

    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?

    Non, because without volatiles, youse ain’t gonna nowhere fast.

    Space is not like the sea. You can’t capture the wind. You need to burn a lot of stuff and throw it away at very high velocities. That stuff you cannot bring up from Earth because that’s way too expensive (rocket equation etc.). So you need to find it elsewhere.

    If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it’s not so crazy.

    Bringing it “home” (and refining it) would rapidly zero the the price of iron. As for “bringing back gold”, good luck. It will be nicely distributed all over over a monster mass of nickel-iron, not in nice lodes as Earth’s geological and biological processes create.

    This space mining business is bullshit. It’s in particular bullshit as no-one is allowed to lift nuclear reactors into orbit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No nuclear reactors in space is an artificial constraint. That could change. Maybe you drill into Psyche and set off underground nuclear explosions that are big enough to melt the iron and stratify the precious metals. Maybe you have to tow over another asteroid that contains sulfides in order to separate the chalcophile elements. If there are no geological processes going on, maybe you can induce them artificially. Maybe you use nuclear explosions to blast off chunks of the asteroid and send them in the direction of earth, using the moon as a catcher's mitt. You send down just enough nickel iron so as not to reduce the price too much but enough to make you fabulously wealthy - think DeBeers and diamonds. When the reward is quintillions of $ there's a lot you can do.
  35. anon[782] • Disclaimer says:

    “When people ask when I knew I wanted to be an astronaut, I always say that like every other red-blooded boy, I was inspired by the men who flew on Apollo,” he said. “Unfortunately, the red-blooded girls didn’t have those role models.

    Yeah, so exciting.

    This is what real red-blooded boys and girls get inspired by.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Aliens is one of the greatest sci-fi/action/horror/war allegory films of all time.

    Sigourney should have gotten an Oscar for her performance, but deaf Marlee Matlin had too many Pokémon points to ignore.

    I'd also argue that Paul Reiser should have gotten an nomination. Go watch the analysis of his character in the coffee scene. All the subtle behavioral hints that are noted are incredible.
  36. anon[782] • Disclaimer says:

    Lawrence Auster on Bolden and Teh Diversity:

    Journeying beyond Earth’s orbit, as NASA is committed to do, will require a diverse team of many individuals with the best minds, the most comprehensive expertise, the broadest knowledge, the strongest talent, and the greatest integrity. As NASA’s Diversity and Inclusion Champion, I believe it is incumbent on every member of the NASA community to advocate for, promote, and most importantly, practice the principles of diversity and inclusion in everything that we do. This means making diversity and inclusion integral in our efforts to identify and develop the best talent, create and serve on high-performing teams, achieve scientific and engineering excellence, maintain integrity in all that we do, and ultimately, realize mission success.
    —Administrator Charles F. Bolden, Jr. NASA Policy Statement on Diversity and Inclusion, June 8, 2010

    Now that is simply a wonderful pronouncement, perhaps the greatest and most eloquent statement on behalf of excellence and diversity—and, more importantly, the irreducible unity of excellence and diversity—that I have ever seen. How reassuring it is to know that at every step of NASA’s endeavor to reach the stars (or whatever it is that NASA is doing nowadays), diversity will be at the very center of the effort. Why, isn’t that the way Columbus discovered the New World? Isn’t that what made the Wright Brothers’ flight possible? And how could the Manhattan Project have developed the atomic bomb without diversity? Enrico Fermi. J. Robert Oppenheimer. Gen. Leslie Groves. Diversity!
    In reality, of course, the more diversity becomes the main purpose of an organization, the more hyperbolic become its claims to excellence. Look at Bolden’s boasts of the strongest talent, the most comprehensive intellects, the greatest integrity, etc. Did NASA circa 1960 issue such over-the-top statements about itself? Of course not. It had a big, incredibly challenging job to do and was focused on doing it. But as soon as an organization loses any legitimate purpose, or takes on an illegitimate purpose (such as diversity) that is opposed to its ostensible purpose, it starts to issue this type of overblown rhetoric. Its indulgence in such grandiose claims about itself is a sure sign that it has lost the very excellence, integrity, etc. of which it is now boasting.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022207.html

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Ah, the late, great Lawrence Auster. Few minds were/are capable of his sort of trenchant analysis. Appreciate the link.
  37. Basically, after all these years, rocketing away from Earth’s gravity remains insanely expensive. Saturn V launches cost something like a billion dollars each in today’s money. So the only hope that space travel can pay is if you can find a lot of H20 where you are headed.

    NASA should have just stayed with the Saturn V, the “cheaper” Space Shuttle cost £1.6 billion per launch, the Shuttle kept NASA stuck in LEO, if the Saturn V was still flying NASA could have had people on Mars decades ago

    But anyway times change, NASA are old news. its all about SpaceX and Musk,(and maybe Blue Origin) today a Falcon 9 launch probably costs less than 50 million per launch, on a Kg to orbit price the Falcon Heavy may work out cheaper, SpaceX now dominate the private launch market and the interesting thing is Musk is now pushing hard to build his version of the Saturn V, with a launch price of under $10 million

    With super low prices a return to the Moon is about to happen, and then on to Mars 🙂

    https://time.com/5628572/elon-musk-moon-landing/

    Look up youtube for some of SpaceX launches, the 2015 first F9 landing is a good one, some diversity on display but not much, Musk knows how to play the game, he likes to have a woman or two on show

    The most important question is, who will play African born Musk in the movie ? Trevor Noah maybe, or is he too pale ?

  38. @Gordo
    Is it in The Forever War where there are equal numbers of Male and female infantry and they have to take turns with eachother?

    One of the Starship Troopers novels of rebuttal anyway.

    Anyone?

    Lol yes. In The Forever War (good book imo) the infantry is coed and there is a “sleeping roster” where soldiers rotate sex partners.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @L Woods
    That’s the only possible way that a coed military isn’t abjectly ruinous to moral. As it is...expect our newly integrated “fighting units” to hold up to a near-peer adversary like wet paper.
  39. @Jack D

    So the only hope that space travel can pay is if you can find a lot of H20 where you are headed.
     
    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?

    The greatest hope for real future space exploration is a future Gold Rush. This is what drove discovery of the New World. The asteroid Psyche orbits in the asteroid belt between Mar and Jupiter. It is the size of Massachusetts and it appears to be made entirely of metal (not metal ores but pure metal) - mainly iron and nickel but also quintillions of $ worth of gold, platinum, etc. If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it's not so crazy.

    I read once there is an asteroid that’s been identified (perhaps the one you mentioned), that contains more iron than humans have mined in the entire history of Earth.

    I’m also reminded of writer S.M. Stirling’s Draka trilogy. Towards the end of that trilogy the Draka abandon the gold standard when the US drags a solid gold asteroid into Earth orbit.

  40. GSR says:

    We are so hyper sensitive, hyper “diverse”, have nothing in common, that on the 50th anniversary of the Moon landing, we can’t spend a couple of days reflecting with smiles and a little pride.

    It is just 24/7 women and something called “people of color” weren’t there in the 60’s!

    Geez……..the US population in the 1960’s was nearly 90% White.

  41. Unlike the Apollo missions, which landed near the moon’s equator, Artemis will explore the lunar south pole.

    I have two thoughts on this matter:

    1. How do we know what north and south are on the moon?
    2. Are we going to make sure that at least one each of GLBTQXYZ walk on the moon? Different races?

  42. In other diversity news, another black-chef run restaurant, universally lauded by the food press (including NY Times), closes suddenly and “unexpectedly.” All involved are keeping mysteriously silent.

    http://www.grubstreet.com/2019/07/jj-johnson-henry-closing.html

  43. Trump’s idea of going back to the Moon in 2024 basically sounds like his retirement party for himself.

    It’s all bluster. The US isn’t landing anyone on the Moon in 2024. There is no real money budgeted for a lander. NASA is bound by law to work on those things that Congress appropriated money for: the Space Station (a white elephant in orbit), the new big SLS rocket (way over budget and behind schedule and anyway a poor successor to the Saturn V), the James Webb Space Telescope (way over budget and behind schedule). As part of Constellation (the predecessor of SLS – actually the same program just renamed) NASA spent nearly 2 billion dollars developing the J2-X engine, whereupon they decided that they didn’t need it. NASA is hopelessly bloated, inefficient, and incompetent. It isn’t the NASA of 1969 any longer.

    SpaceX could maybe land a man on the Moon, but not by 2024, and only if the US Government paid them to do so. Elon Musk can’t just scrape together the dough for that kind of venture out of petty cash.

    There are no tangible economic reasons for going to the Moon. There is nothing you can get there that you can’t get more cheaply – far more cheaply – here on Earth.

  44. “Saturn V launches cost something like a billion dollars each in today’s money.”

    that’s old tech. even worse, NASA has stultified into a standard issue do-little government agency. they have this thing called Space Launch System, SLS. so far they’ve spent about 20 billion dollars. for nothing. nothing has ever flown. and by my estimate, nothing will ever fly.

    my guess is that after SpaceX and maybe one of the other operators, ULA, or Blue Origin, successfully flies these missions, SLS will be cancelled. sometime after 2020. without ever having flown a single mission. and after spending 30 billion dollars.

    SpaceX can probably get you to the moon for 100 million. 200 million at most. and get more people there than NASA used to.

    NASA is still pretty good for outer space missions that don’t involve people. when astronauts get involved, they’ve become total garbage.

    all the political fighting over who the astronauts will be, will only make that worse. eventually SpaceX and the other operators have to get as far away from NASA as possible.

  45. @Wilkey

    Between 1969 and 1972, a total of 12 humans walked on the moon. All of them were American, white and male.
     
    The nerve of those Americans for sending American people on an expensive trip paid for by American taxpayers. The Somali, Rwandan and Zimbabwean space agencies were all soon able to land black people on the moon, and the Isle of Lesbos Space Agency sent a team of womyn in a lunar lander with full shag carpeting (it was the 60s, after all)

    But racist, sexist Americans refused to do send women or blacks, even though the Age of Flight had begun with the invention of the aeroplane by two sisters/lesbian lovers, Orvellina and Wilhelmina Wright. Zhey first launched zheir first plane from Fire Island, New York before the island was overrun by violent, redblooded cishetero binarystraight men who immediately destroyed all evidence of zheir accomplishment.

    In Starship Troopers, while the Mobile Infantry grunts are all male, the space pilots who deliver them to the drop zones are all female, for reasons.
     
    Probably because Heinlein anticipated those tit-illating coed shower scenes in the movie version of his book.

    “The Somali, Rwandan and Zimbabwean space agencies were all soon able to land black people on the moon”

    actually, black americans got there first. before even NASA.

    ken burns told me so.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Man, P.M., I was about to reply with the very same video.

    It is truly hilarious, and the Ken Burns imitation with the history professor with his elbow patches and "if I may", "if you will", and "as it were"s just add that special touch.

    Comedy gold, Jerry!
  46. @James N. Kennett
    The next man on the moon, and the first woman, will most likely be Chinese.

    The USA could try to compete, but to finance another moonshot program it would need to borrow the money - from the Chinese.

    China plan to build and launch a Saturn V class rocket around about 2030, years behind SpaceX

  47. @notanon
    PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white.

    “PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white.”

    this.

    democrat presidents from here on out will can NASA, just like obama did. space flight programs will be cancelled and that money will be diverted to free healthcare for the incoming third world hordes.

    it’s humorous these articles about NASA sending women or africans to the moon. that’s only the kind of stuff these people write when european men start talking about space again. but once european men aren’t in charge anymore, the women and vibrants immediately drop space travel projects.

    so it’s either you get space travel done by highly capable european men, with the women and vibrants complaining that they weren’t involved, or you get no space travel at all.

    there is no in between condition – vibrant space travel. that will never exist.

    kind of like almost everything else. european men either do something, with the other humans complaining about it, or nothing happens at all. european men create universities, sports leagues, entire nations, the other groups complain loudly, create nothing, demand the only creating group on earth, european men, give up everything they created.

    it’s kind of a problem, since eventually you have to wonder, what is the point of creating anything from scratch, since the vibrants will always show up afterwards, screaming that you can’t have that thing you created from scratch and that has major value – you have to turn it over to us.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    'vibrant space travel' ha ha
  48. @anon

    “When people ask when I knew I wanted to be an astronaut, I always say that like every other red-blooded boy, I was inspired by the men who flew on Apollo,” he said. “Unfortunately, the red-blooded girls didn’t have those role models.
     


    Yeah, so exciting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-65mBQ7s_Q

    This is what real red-blooded boys and girls get inspired by.

    https://youtu.be/gUsuFgZ6lJI?t=43

    Aliens is one of the greatest sci-fi/action/horror/war allegory films of all time.

    Sigourney should have gotten an Oscar for her performance, but deaf Marlee Matlin had too many Pokémon points to ignore.

    I’d also argue that Paul Reiser should have gotten an nomination. Go watch the analysis of his character in the coffee scene. All the subtle behavioral hints that are noted are incredible.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Reiser's entire career is criminally underrated.
  49. @El Dato

    Because water is a rare and valuable commodity on earth?
     
    Non, because without volatiles, youse ain't gonna nowhere fast.

    Space is not like the sea. You can't capture the wind. You need to burn a lot of stuff and throw it away at very high velocities. That stuff you cannot bring up from Earth because that's way too expensive (rocket equation etc.). So you need to find it elsewhere.

    If someone could figure out how to get this stuff home, it would represent untold riches, even if space exploration costs are high. $10,000/lb. is awfully expensive to bring back water from the moon but if gold is worth $20,000/lb. then it’s not so crazy.
     
    Bringing it "home" (and refining it) would rapidly zero the the price of iron. As for "bringing back gold", good luck. It will be nicely distributed all over over a monster mass of nickel-iron, not in nice lodes as Earth's geological and biological processes create.

    This space mining business is bullshit. It's in particular bullshit as no-one is allowed to lift nuclear reactors into orbit.

    No nuclear reactors in space is an artificial constraint. That could change. Maybe you drill into Psyche and set off underground nuclear explosions that are big enough to melt the iron and stratify the precious metals. Maybe you have to tow over another asteroid that contains sulfides in order to separate the chalcophile elements. If there are no geological processes going on, maybe you can induce them artificially. Maybe you use nuclear explosions to blast off chunks of the asteroid and send them in the direction of earth, using the moon as a catcher’s mitt. You send down just enough nickel iron so as not to reduce the price too much but enough to make you fabulously wealthy – think DeBeers and diamonds. When the reward is quintillions of $ there’s a lot you can do.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  50. I suggest we split the honor among four, an entire crew of international women: Astronaut Tlaib from Palestine, Astronaut Omar from Somalia, Astronaut Ocasio-Cortez from Puerto Rico, and Astronaut Pressley from Wakanda. I am sure they can do a great job getting the spaceship to the moon and back as they are smarter than any men in the world. Or something.

    • LOL: jim jones
  51. It would be practical to send a woman to the moon if the lunar module was redesigned to carry 3 people…2 men and a woman. The woman would just sit there and say appropriate things occaisionally, while not interfering with the mission in any way. Most cameras would point at her, and the resulting footage could be spun into her running the whole show.

  52. Jeff Hoffman, another former astronaut who’s now a professor at MIT, said that sending a woman to walk on the moon would be deeply symbolic.

    Not to mention menstrual.

    spaceflight-associated neuro-ocular syndrome, or SANS.

    They can no longer read serifs?

    There, craters stuck in permanent shadow are believed to harbor millions of tons of water ice.

    Just right for selenophile Cat Stevens:

    I built my house from barley rice
    Green pepper walls and water ice
    Tables of paper wood, windows of light
    And everything emptying into white.

    He’d certainly enjoy “acres of sky”.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "Not to mention menstrual."

    We are no longer using gender pronouns that are noninclusive. The proper term is 'peoplestrual.'
  53. You kind of need leak proof tampax and/or maxipads or you’re going to have a thin film of blood over everything in the space capsule – that’s already happened once with urine.

    And this:

    “When people ask when I knew I wanted to be an astronaut, I always say that like every other red-blooded boy, I was inspired by the men who flew on Apollo,” he said. “Unfortunately, the red-blooded girls didn’t have those role models.”

    This particularly offensive and disgusting. How do we get such super pussified faggots in the space program? To quote a famous man “We are doomed.”

  54. @Dtbb
    I thought Neil Armstrong was a civilian and that was why he was chosen to be first man.

    The selection was for purely theatrical reasons, a nod to The Bard:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortinbras

    Having a first name meaning “Champion” didn’t hurt.

    My theory.

    The first woman should be Celine Dion…

  55. The next time a pair of astronauts set foot on the moon, the space agency has vowed that at least one of them will be a woman.

    It had better be a woman of color. Preferably the color black.

  56. The best thing about the Apollo program is that we did it all without ever invoking our greatest strength.

  57. @Jack D

    given how much his base been disappointed by him
     
    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It's not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.

    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It’s not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.

    Precisely. I was disappointed by Dubya. But what was the alternative? Gore? Kerry? McCain? Just because someone would really like a Bentley won’t prevent him from settling for a Chevy to get around in. It’s better than walking everywhere.

  58. @prime noticer
    "PC pretty much guarantees space travel will either never happen or be extremely white."

    this.

    democrat presidents from here on out will can NASA, just like obama did. space flight programs will be cancelled and that money will be diverted to free healthcare for the incoming third world hordes.

    it's humorous these articles about NASA sending women or africans to the moon. that's only the kind of stuff these people write when european men start talking about space again. but once european men aren't in charge anymore, the women and vibrants immediately drop space travel projects.

    so it's either you get space travel done by highly capable european men, with the women and vibrants complaining that they weren't involved, or you get no space travel at all.

    there is no in between condition - vibrant space travel. that will never exist.

    kind of like almost everything else. european men either do something, with the other humans complaining about it, or nothing happens at all. european men create universities, sports leagues, entire nations, the other groups complain loudly, create nothing, demand the only creating group on earth, european men, give up everything they created.

    it's kind of a problem, since eventually you have to wonder, what is the point of creating anything from scratch, since the vibrants will always show up afterwards, screaming that you can't have that thing you created from scratch and that has major value - you have to turn it over to us.

    ‘vibrant space travel’ ha ha

  59. @Corn
    Lol yes. In The Forever War (good book imo) the infantry is coed and there is a “sleeping roster” where soldiers rotate sex partners.

    That’s the only possible way that a coed military isn’t abjectly ruinous to moral. As it is…expect our newly integrated “fighting units” to hold up to a near-peer adversary like wet paper.

  60. About Heinlein. He didn’t realize or know that women jet pilots require 2or3 hundred dollar diaper they must wear to stand the G forces in flight. !!

  61. Space suits are not flattering. If a woman were to be sent to walk on the moon she’d have to wear jeans, tights or shorts, possibly yoga pants and that’s just not possible given the hostile conditions of the lunar surface. What kind of shoes would she wear? And what about her hair and make-up.

    No, walking on the moon is not favorable to the females of our species.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Pffft. Keep calm and call in the Italians:

    https://thechaly.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/barbarella_nb.jpg
  62. @prime noticer
    "The Somali, Rwandan and Zimbabwean space agencies were all soon able to land black people on the moon"

    actually, black americans got there first. before even NASA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8

    ken burns told me so.

    Man, P.M., I was about to reply with the very same video.

    It is truly hilarious, and the Ken Burns imitation with the history professor with his elbow patches and “if I may”, “if you will”, and “as it were”s just add that special touch.

    Comedy gold, Jerry!

  63. @Ibound1
    Has there ever been a society in human history where women were so fanatically obsessed with accomplishing what the most accomplished of men achieve? Do women in China act this way?

    From my knowledge of the Chairman Mao times, the idea was that everyone was to be thought of as equal, which explains the rice-bowl haircuts on everybody and the Chairman Mao jackets*. I don’t know how much the Chinese really believed it, but in the long term, it’s had its effect.

    It’s what the Commies do, everywhere. Having men run the family as per nature and the Bible is a real threat to the power of Socialism and The State.

    Hmmm … could that be why we’re seeing all of this here? You’ve first got to destroy the family, if you’re really gonna change society for the better. Forward Soviet!

    .

    * I wish I had a hundred cases of them. I think they’ll come back in style as a retro thing, moths notwithstanding.

  64. On the other hand, at least 17 male astronauts have developed a condition called spaceflight-associated neuro-ocular syndrome, or SANS. This is a swelling of the optic nerve that occurs when the lack of gravity causes fluids in the body to shift, allowing pressure to build up behind the eye. SANS can lead to vision loss — an ailment that could quickly derail a mission.

    “We are not seeing it in women, and people don’t understand why,” Donoviel said.

    Definitely not due to biological differences between men and women. Would this happen to transwomen if they went to space?

    Speaking of, when will we start seeing a push for trans persons of color landing on the moon? We all know that’s the real goal here.

  65. @Reg Cæsar

    Jeff Hoffman, another former astronaut who’s now a professor at MIT, said that sending a woman to walk on the moon would be deeply symbolic.
     
    Not to mention menstrual.

    spaceflight-associated neuro-ocular syndrome, or SANS.

     

    They can no longer read serifs?


    https://visualhierarchy.co/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/serif-sansserif.jpg


    There, craters stuck in permanent shadow are believed to harbor millions of tons of water ice.
     
    Just right for selenophile Cat Stevens:

    I built my house from barley rice
    Green pepper walls and water ice
    Tables of paper wood, windows of light
    And everything emptying into white.


    He'd certainly enjoy "acres of sky".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNH6l9APJU

    “Not to mention menstrual.”

    We are no longer using gender pronouns that are noninclusive. The proper term is ‘peoplestrual.’

  66. @Jack D

    given how much his base been disappointed by him
     
    If they are disappointed by Trump then they are going to be REALLY disappointed by President Warren. It's not like they can choose between Trump and someone better.

    True, but the question is whether their distaste for Warren will be strong enough to offset their fading enthusiasm for Trump. Sometimes what turns elections is how much enthusiasm each side has and the how a few percentages difference in enthusiasm turns the election.

  67. @mmack
    The drop ship pilot in Aliens is female too:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSuYpaFd10

    Hopefully NASA will remind female astronauts to keep the hatches and loading ramps secured at all times:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5tF529mmjnM

    Aliens was closer in some ways to the Starship Troopers novel than the actual Starship Troopers film was, with the atmospheric drops and the semi-automated weapon systems. They couldn’t recreate the portable battle armour because they didn’t really have CGI in 1986, but Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers probably could have in 1997 but didn’t even try. They made the Bugs just as intimidating as the book, but humans weapons were a joke compared to the novel’s.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Aliens had the power loader, which was probably inspired by the armor in Starship Troopers.

    I thought the lame weaponry in the film version of Starship Troopers added a certain level of desperation to the struggle as portrayed.
    , @Steve Sailer
    The last scene of Aliens where Sigourney Weaver comes out in the Starship Trooper-derived powered exoskeleton to battle the Alien is thrilling. I wonder if Heinlein saw it before he died? Did he feel like he should have gotten a check or did he feel that his work was entering the culture permanently?

    James Cameron is the world's best fan of Heinlein-style hard fiction. Avatar, for instance, is more or less the second half of Heinlein's juvenile novel "Space Cadet" where the space cadets land of Venus and rescue the indigenous aliens from a human mining company.

    For example, Cameron bought the movie option on the Niven and Pournelle alien invasion novel Footfall and as part of the deal he got a week with N&P going over the novel page by page. Jerry told me it was the most fulfilling week of his life as an author: to have a fan who utterly gets every nuance of what they wrote.

    , @Autochthon
    Tom Cruise's adaptation of Live. Die. Repeat. (Edge of Tomorrow) did a pretty damn good job of capturing the confused bloodbath – Hellish, insectoid monsters from outer space v. humans in BattleTech style exoskeletons – of this aspect of Starship Troopers (though the suits were still grossly underpowered: no leaping miles at a time with scramjets...).

    I don't know his secret (it seems to be choosing literature and screenplays carefully and remaining true to their authors' vision – often having those authors closely involved with production, presumably by using his incomparable power in the industry as a producer in his own right with all the money in the world to demand it whether the suits object or not), but Cruise seems to be the only guy in Hollywood still capable of making damned good science fiction movies.* I'd love to see Cruise take on the challenge of adapting more of Heinlein's (and Dick's) works. His adroit handling of mind-f--king plots could probably do interesting things with Job or Time Enough for Love, if any adaptation to cinema is even possible for those. In any event I bet he'd do a spectacular job with more easily adapted fare like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress or Stranger in a Strange Land.

    *Similarly, and perhaps for similar reasons, Mel Gibson and Clint Eastwood are the only guys who make war movies worth a damn anymore.

    Somewhere along the way it became hip to mock Cruise – mostly because of Scientology and the "he's homosexual" nonsense – but he's apparently one of the few uber-powerful in Hollywood who is a consummate professional and a really nice guy—like, a really nice guy....
  68. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    If you drag that quintillion dollars worth of gold back from an asteroid and land it safely on earth then you don’t get rich — ins stead you instantly devalue gold to a tiny fraction of its previous worth.

    Because the value of gold is mostly based on gold’s scarcity.

    Gold value is also based on gold’s indestructibility. Which makes for an interesting problem because the quintillion dollar mother lode of gold newly introduced to earth could never be destroyed and gold could therefore never be made very scarce i.e. valuable again.

  69. @anon
    Lawrence Auster on Bolden and Teh Diversity:

    Journeying beyond Earth’s orbit, as NASA is committed to do, will require a diverse team of many individuals with the best minds, the most comprehensive expertise, the broadest knowledge, the strongest talent, and the greatest integrity. As NASA’s Diversity and Inclusion Champion, I believe it is incumbent on every member of the NASA community to advocate for, promote, and most importantly, practice the principles of diversity and inclusion in everything that we do. This means making diversity and inclusion integral in our efforts to identify and develop the best talent, create and serve on high-performing teams, achieve scientific and engineering excellence, maintain integrity in all that we do, and ultimately, realize mission success.
    —Administrator Charles F. Bolden, Jr. NASA Policy Statement on Diversity and Inclusion, June 8, 2010
     
    Now that is simply a wonderful pronouncement, perhaps the greatest and most eloquent statement on behalf of excellence and diversity—and, more importantly, the irreducible unity of excellence and diversity—that I have ever seen. How reassuring it is to know that at every step of NASA’s endeavor to reach the stars (or whatever it is that NASA is doing nowadays), diversity will be at the very center of the effort. Why, isn’t that the way Columbus discovered the New World? Isn’t that what made the Wright Brothers’ flight possible? And how could the Manhattan Project have developed the atomic bomb without diversity? Enrico Fermi. J. Robert Oppenheimer. Gen. Leslie Groves. Diversity!
    In reality, of course, the more diversity becomes the main purpose of an organization, the more hyperbolic become its claims to excellence. Look at Bolden’s boasts of the strongest talent, the most comprehensive intellects, the greatest integrity, etc. Did NASA circa 1960 issue such over-the-top statements about itself? Of course not. It had a big, incredibly challenging job to do and was focused on doing it. But as soon as an organization loses any legitimate purpose, or takes on an illegitimate purpose (such as diversity) that is opposed to its ostensible purpose, it starts to issue this type of overblown rhetoric. Its indulgence in such grandiose claims about itself is a sure sign that it has lost the very excellence, integrity, etc. of which it is now boasting.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022207.html

    Ah, the late, great Lawrence Auster. Few minds were/are capable of his sort of trenchant analysis. Appreciate the link.

  70. @Unladen Swallow
    Aliens was closer in some ways to the Starship Troopers novel than the actual Starship Troopers film was, with the atmospheric drops and the semi-automated weapon systems. They couldn't recreate the portable battle armour because they didn't really have CGI in 1986, but Verhoeven's Starship Troopers probably could have in 1997 but didn't even try. They made the Bugs just as intimidating as the book, but humans weapons were a joke compared to the novel's.

    Aliens had the power loader, which was probably inspired by the armor in Starship Troopers.

    I thought the lame weaponry in the film version of Starship Troopers added a certain level of desperation to the struggle as portrayed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Vanderhoeven grew up in the Netherlands loving old Nazi movies, so he makes Nazi movies. He's really good at it, but we shouldn't be naive about what he's up to.
  71. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Aliens had the power loader, which was probably inspired by the armor in Starship Troopers.

    I thought the lame weaponry in the film version of Starship Troopers added a certain level of desperation to the struggle as portrayed.

    Vanderhoeven grew up in the Netherlands loving old Nazi movies, so he makes Nazi movies. He’s really good at it, but we shouldn’t be naive about what he’s up to.

  72. @Unladen Swallow
    Aliens was closer in some ways to the Starship Troopers novel than the actual Starship Troopers film was, with the atmospheric drops and the semi-automated weapon systems. They couldn't recreate the portable battle armour because they didn't really have CGI in 1986, but Verhoeven's Starship Troopers probably could have in 1997 but didn't even try. They made the Bugs just as intimidating as the book, but humans weapons were a joke compared to the novel's.

    The last scene of Aliens where Sigourney Weaver comes out in the Starship Trooper-derived powered exoskeleton to battle the Alien is thrilling. I wonder if Heinlein saw it before he died? Did he feel like he should have gotten a check or did he feel that his work was entering the culture permanently?

    James Cameron is the world’s best fan of Heinlein-style hard fiction. Avatar, for instance, is more or less the second half of Heinlein’s juvenile novel “Space Cadet” where the space cadets land of Venus and rescue the indigenous aliens from a human mining company.

    For example, Cameron bought the movie option on the Niven and Pournelle alien invasion novel Footfall and as part of the deal he got a week with N&P going over the novel page by page. Jerry told me it was the most fulfilling week of his life as an author: to have a fan who utterly gets every nuance of what they wrote.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Wow, didn't know that about Footfall, I never read the novel, but heard good things about it. Do you know when he worked with them and why it was never made?
  73. @Bitfu
    Who will be the first woman on the moon? Um, so am I to understand that the LA Times doesn't give a sh*t about the trans community?

    And, if the LA Times is really concerned about getting women to the moon, it should also ensure that NASA rids itself of toxic, violent, micro-aggressive 'mansplaining'.

    Just what we need. Rats, feces and used needles on the moon.

  74. – Houson, we have a problem!

    – Copy that, Odyssey. Please explain the nature of your problem.

    – Never mind.

    – Repeat, Odyssey, what is the problem.

    – Just forget it.

    – Odyssey, please tell us what the problem is.

    – You know what the problem is.

  75. @Anon
    Starship Troopers trivia: Paul Verhoven directed the shower scene in the nude, on the theory of, I'm making you do it, so I'll do it to (as long as my nudity doesn't get put in the movie).

    Also: While living in Los Angeles, Verhoven talked himself into being invited to membership in the Jesus Seminar, a prominent group of academic Christian theologians analyzing the gospels for various layers of historical edits. Weirdly, Verhoven is quite the expert on the topic. Verhoven eventually published a book detailing what he thinks really went down during Jesus's life, myth versus fact, and it's really convincing.

    Not convincing to somebody who knows archeology or history. Assertions are not evidence, neither are anything-but-that objections to the best evidence. The for gospels are written testimonies. You can’t discount them just because you decide you can’t believe them.

  76. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:

    The best Titanic movie was made by the Nazis. James Cameron shamelessly plagiarized it, but nobody called him out on it, presumably because nobody wants to admit to watching the original.

  77. I’m not sure whether the author’s compulsion to explain to readers who Artemis is reflects the author’s own stupidity, the condescendingly low esteem in which she holds the readers, or an accurate assessment that those readers do indeed need such elementary things explained to them. I’m equally unsure which (or which combination) is most pathetic.

    In my own memory, pretty much any child finishing the sixth grade at my school could have told you who Artemis was. Of course, those children were nearly all white, and they were reading things like the excellent introductions to such matters by Evslin and Hoopes, not Heather Has Two Mommies (two or three generations earlier, of course, even more of them were white, and they were reading originals in Greek and Latin). Progress, indeed….

    This trend is accelerating exponentially. I expect by next year any such article will include a parenthetical explanation for readers of what “the moon” is.

  78. @L Woods
    This was only in the book version. In truth of course, women generally make lousy pilots.

    “Only in ‘the book version?’” The novel is the art. That some shitty movie was made bearing only the most passing and superficial relation thereto is irrelevant and to every point Heinlein was making. About the only thing that film takes from Heinlein’s Starship Troopers is its name.

    Please don’t be that guy going on about how powerful Arwen is and asking “who the Hell is Glorfindel?”

    • Replies: @L Woods
    I choose to enjoy the movie unironically as an act of passive aggressive subversion against the Hollywood propaganda drumbeat. Ok, mostly it’s just a guilty pleasure.
  79. @Unladen Swallow
    Aliens was closer in some ways to the Starship Troopers novel than the actual Starship Troopers film was, with the atmospheric drops and the semi-automated weapon systems. They couldn't recreate the portable battle armour because they didn't really have CGI in 1986, but Verhoeven's Starship Troopers probably could have in 1997 but didn't even try. They made the Bugs just as intimidating as the book, but humans weapons were a joke compared to the novel's.

    Tom Cruise’s adaptation of Live. Die. Repeat. (Edge of Tomorrow) did a pretty damn good job of capturing the confused bloodbath – Hellish, insectoid monsters from outer space v. humans in BattleTech style exoskeletons – of this aspect of Starship Troopers (though the suits were still grossly underpowered: no leaping miles at a time with scramjets…).

    I don’t know his secret (it seems to be choosing literature and screenplays carefully and remaining true to their authors’ vision – often having those authors closely involved with production, presumably by using his incomparable power in the industry as a producer in his own right with all the money in the world to demand it whether the suits object or not), but Cruise seems to be the only guy in Hollywood still capable of making damned good science fiction movies.* I’d love to see Cruise take on the challenge of adapting more of Heinlein’s (and Dick’s) works. His adroit handling of mind-f–king plots could probably do interesting things with Job or Time Enough for Love, if any adaptation to cinema is even possible for those. In any event I bet he’d do a spectacular job with more easily adapted fare like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress or Stranger in a Strange Land.

    *Similarly, and perhaps for similar reasons, Mel Gibson and Clint Eastwood are the only guys who make war movies worth a damn anymore.

    Somewhere along the way it became hip to mock Cruise – mostly because of Scientology and the “he’s homosexual” nonsense – but he’s apparently one of the few uber-powerful in Hollywood who is a consummate professional and a really nice guy—like, a really nice guy….

  80. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Aliens is one of the greatest sci-fi/action/horror/war allegory films of all time.

    Sigourney should have gotten an Oscar for her performance, but deaf Marlee Matlin had too many Pokémon points to ignore.

    I'd also argue that Paul Reiser should have gotten an nomination. Go watch the analysis of his character in the coffee scene. All the subtle behavioral hints that are noted are incredible.

    Reiser’s entire career is criminally underrated.

  81. @trelane
    Space suits are not flattering. If a woman were to be sent to walk on the moon she'd have to wear jeans, tights or shorts, possibly yoga pants and that's just not possible given the hostile conditions of the lunar surface. What kind of shoes would she wear? And what about her hair and make-up.

    No, walking on the moon is not favorable to the females of our species.

    https://youtu.be/zPwMdZOlPo8

    Pffft. Keep calm and call in the Italians:

  82. @Autochthon
    "Only in 'the book version?'" The novel is the art. That some shitty movie was made bearing only the most passing and superficial relation thereto is irrelevant and to every point Heinlein was making. About the only thing that film takes from Heinlein's Starship Troopers is its name.

    Please don't be that guy going on about how powerful Arwen is and asking "who the Hell is Glorfindel?"

    I choose to enjoy the movie unironically as an act of passive aggressive subversion against the Hollywood propaganda drumbeat. Ok, mostly it’s just a guilty pleasure.

  83. @Steve Sailer
    The last scene of Aliens where Sigourney Weaver comes out in the Starship Trooper-derived powered exoskeleton to battle the Alien is thrilling. I wonder if Heinlein saw it before he died? Did he feel like he should have gotten a check or did he feel that his work was entering the culture permanently?

    James Cameron is the world's best fan of Heinlein-style hard fiction. Avatar, for instance, is more or less the second half of Heinlein's juvenile novel "Space Cadet" where the space cadets land of Venus and rescue the indigenous aliens from a human mining company.

    For example, Cameron bought the movie option on the Niven and Pournelle alien invasion novel Footfall and as part of the deal he got a week with N&P going over the novel page by page. Jerry told me it was the most fulfilling week of his life as an author: to have a fan who utterly gets every nuance of what they wrote.

    Wow, didn’t know that about Footfall, I never read the novel, but heard good things about it. Do you know when he worked with them and why it was never made?

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