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“Diversity” is our highest value.

But people seem to disagree on exactly what it means in practice. To blacks, it means that blacks should win all the Grammys and Oscars. After all, nothing could be more Diverse than Beyonce winning all 80 or so Grammys every single year.

To Angelo Mozilo, Diversity meant that Hispanics (and everybody else, while he was at it) shouldn’t have to follow outdated federal relations about documenting their incomes or providing a down payment in order to qualify for a mortgage from Countrywide Financial.

And to Chinese students in the U.S., Diversity means shutting up the Dalai Lama. From QZ:

#CHINESESTUDENTSMATTER

Chinese students in the US are using “inclusion” and “diversity” to oppose a Dalai Lama graduation speech

by Josh Horwitz, February 15, 2017

Chinese students are joining their peers on American campuses in getting woke. Their cause? Defending the official line of the Communist Party.

… The announcement triggered outrage among Chinese students who view the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader as an oppressive figure threatening to divide a unified China. …

As the aggrieved students have trumpeted their opposition, their rhetoric has borrowed elements from larger campus activist movements across the United States. The upshot: What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.

Somehow, this is all the White Man’s Fault.

Hmmmhhhhh …

I’ve got it.

The Dalai Lama’s tutor, Austrian mountain climber Heinrich Harrer, was a Nazi!

The UCSD Shanghai Students organization announced:

As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart. During the campus commencement, there will be over a thousand Chinese students, families, and friends celebrating this precious moment with their loved ones. If Tenzin Gyatso expresses his political views under the guise of “spirituality and compassion,” the Chinese segment of this community will feel extremely offended and disrespected during this special occasion.

USCD should fire the Dalai Lama and instead hire Ta-Nehisi Coates to give his usual spiel about how People Who Believe They Are White crush Black Bodies.

That wouldn’t offend or disrespect anybody. Or at least not anybody who matters.

Seriously, globalization means that everybody is in everybody else’s face all the time now. UCSD has 3,569 Chinese nationals as students, most paying full tuition. And these Chinese residents just want to have what everybody else on campus wants: a boot stamping on their enemy’s face forever. Is that too much to ask?

Traditionally, the system has been set up to allow “minorities” to act out by telling the white majority to take it like a man. After all, there are only a few minorities in this world compared to the vast majority who are white, so if minorities act out, those insults get diluted by the vast numbers of whites to absorb the insults.

I mean, how many Chinese people can there possibly be on Earth?

Oh.

Really?

Okay … well, I guess I hadn’t thought much about the technical numbers.

But what about at UCSD in La Jolla, CA, where the Romney family lives? Surely the student body must be 90% blond Haven Monahan surfers, right?

What? Only 20% of UCSD undergrads identify as white?

Holy Toledo. I had no idea. This Diversity thing is getting out of hand …

Wait … I didn’t say that.

But [gathering oneself] that’s not the point, the point is that white people are the Legacy Majority and will just have to go on taking it like a man. For the sake of Diversity.

Okay, we didn’t actually think through the end game when we started this process. We just assumed that the mighty white man would always be dominant, so whites could concede just a sliver of their privileges to the paltry numbers of minorities. But now you are telling me that in a globalized world, whites are a minority!

Who knew?

 
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  1. To make this less confusing, I think Westerners should start referring to the Chinese Communist Party as “China’s ruling right-wing libertarian party”. Then it becomes clear that their claims of diversity, inclusion and oppression are invalid.

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  2. It’s just the latest incarnation of BDS. Mass immigration means the historic American people will be displaced and that always means subjugation.

    We’re lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing. The Chinese and Moslems are not going to have mercy on us. The noose will tighten and tighten as long as we ignorantly welcome conquerors into what was once our nation.

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Evolution chooses the living creature best suited for the environment. People always use the word "evolve" to mean progress or, more often, that someone's opinion has moved closer to their own. Not the case.

    Whites aren't very well suited for the current environment, which, ironically, they mostly created. Excessive altruism is a world of mass media and easy transportation doesn't seem to be a great trait.

    If whites survive this time period, they will be a very different breed, much more clannish. The future of whites very well may depend on Eastern Europeans and our own Scotch-Irish, which is ironic given that NW Europeans always looked down on those groups.
    , @anonguy
    Hawaii is only about 25% white and it isn't like the white people are oppressed there.
    , @Anonymous
    This isn't analogous to BDS, since the Tibetans would be analogous to the Palestinians.
    , @Jefferson
    "We’re lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing."

    Where I live Mexicans make up a disproportionate number of gangbangers and pedophiles.
  3. What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.

    Whoa, hoss, back up a bit. What do you mean by “mingling”? Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    Mao, you magnificent bastard, we read your book!

    As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart.

    Hmmm, maybe this Chancellor is smarter than I’d normally give him credit for, as a Univ. Admin. Notice these are alumni complaining. Possibly, and I’m not saying because they’re Chinese*, they really don’t give much money back to the school. The Chancellor may have invited Mr Lama, just to cheese-off these alumni, so they would realize they don’t have any pull to stop it by withholding their donations that last year amounted to only 550 RMB all-totaled ( 84 dollars and 61 cents US) . “Hey, if you’d have donated more money to our fine institutions, you’d have enough money to nix this Jack-leg. Pony up, Zhong-guo Ren!”

    Oh yeah, that is a lot of Chinese people if they have a Shanghai Chinese Students Organization. Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    * OK, I am.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    , @Lot
    UCSD's most famous major donor was Dr. Suess. It's largest donor is Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcomm, which is currently being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_M._Jacobs
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    , @anonymous coward

    Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?
     
    Lots of Russian students (over 10 thousand) in China studying the Chinese language. (And feng shui and calligraphy too, I guess.)
  4. @Achmed E. Newman

    What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.
     
    Whoa, hoss, back up a bit. What do you mean by "mingling"? Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao's red book!

    Mao, you magnificent bastard, we read your book!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM


    As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart.
     
    Hmmm, maybe this Chancellor is smarter than I'd normally give him credit for, as a Univ. Admin. Notice these are alumni complaining. Possibly, and I'm not saying because they're Chinese*, they really don't give much money back to the school. The Chancellor may have invited Mr Lama, just to cheese-off these alumni, so they would realize they don't have any pull to stop it by withholding their donations that last year amounted to only 550 RMB all-totaled ( 84 dollars and 61 cents US) . "Hey, if you'd have donated more money to our fine institutions, you'd have enough money to nix this Jack-leg. Pony up, Zhong-guo Ren!"

    Oh yeah, that is a lot of Chinese people if they have a Shanghai Chinese Students Organization. Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    * OK, I am.

    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any “financial aid” (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It’s a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Looking from the outside in at the US higher ed scene as Daughter Calvinist draws nearer to college age, I'm well aware of the prices charged to overseas students.

    This phenomenon is widespread, actually: universities in the UK and especially Australia also admit large numbers of overseas students, lots and lots of them Chinese, and charge them pretty much full fare in most cases.

    This story at UCSD is really interesting. If Chinese students (and their money-hemorrhaging parents) start to wake up to 1) how much they're being discriminated against in terms of college entrance requirements; and 2) how much they're expected to pay in comparison to other students, there could be some fireworks down the road.

    Finally: 'Legacy Majority' -- LOL, except not really so much.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    That's why colleges prefer foreigners: they're more profitable than American students.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Does that mean all those enrolled illegal alien students are coughing up $40k per year?

    Or since they're LARPing as "Americans", and Americans with a victim-status at that, do they get discounts? If so, could this be a solution for any foreign students aggrieved about paying full tuition: just re-register as illegal aliens?

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    You mean discriminating in favor of Chinese "American" Citizens. Perhaps you are being a little sleight-of-hand-dishonest in your comments Steve....Are you going to allow this post go through?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, although that was written partly in jest (keep in mind, I said "alumni", not current students), I have been in the university environment for a good bit in the past. I understand how much money the schools make off the foreign students. Back in the 90's there were quite a few from the middle east - but that was all relative as a) there weren't nearly as many from China back then, and b) you wouldn't see any blatant moslems of any sort anywhere else but the campus then so they stood out.

    Some of the 100,000's of Chinese students plan on staying here (whether legally or not), but of the ones who don't but whose parents think it is the biggest deal to get a piece of paper from an American university, they will eventually be sorry they bothered. Reputations take a long time to change and haven't caught up to reality yet
    , @Anonymous
    But in a way don't American universities discriminate against American students by accepting so many full-paying international students? An acquaintance of mine was worried about her daughter's chances of getting into a good college, because of the high percentage of international students accepted by U.S. universities. (Her daughter was accepted to Stanford and is now a student there).
    , @mukat
    At the UG level this is true. At the grad level, as Steve must have written somewhere before, the universities sell foreigners US job prospects in return for slave labor.
    , @Bill Jones
    Didn't Barry the Kenyan get a deal at Harvard for being able to prove that he was a foreign Johnny?
  5. Yan Shen says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn’t really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there’s money there’s bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

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    That would be more than 20% of all births to Asian women in the US in 2014. Very unlikely.
    , @AndrewR
    That's a huge number, actually. Well over one percent of all births in the US. And that's not counting all the tourists/illegals from other countries who pop out citizens here.

    BRC is a travesty.

    , @Anonym
    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    Not overwhelming, huh? So 60k Chinese per year become American citizens through dishonest means, while in mainland China there are 71k Americans (citizens or otherwise), from the beginning of eternity until now, in total!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_China

    These new Chinese-Americans should open up chutzpah classes and solicit new students by asking to borrow the ADL's mailing list.

    , @Anonymous
    "Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)"

    That sounds like a lot to me. If only a small fraction of these children are very smart, they could swamp the very small number of admissions spots at our top universities. The pie us only so big, contrary to how we're often told that the pie can always be made bigger so that there can be more opportunities for everyone. It's just not true.
    , @Lugash

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)
     
    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China's government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to 'visit family' whenever they want.
  6. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Chinese students in the US are using “inclusion” and “diversity” to oppose a Dalai Lama graduation speech”

    Naturally. China wants to INCLUDE Tibet as part of China because with Tibetans, China is made more DIVERSE.

    Diversity is the outcome of imperialism and conquest.

    Why was the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Soviet Empire, and British Empire so diverse?

    Different peoples were ‘included’ in the empire to make for more ‘diversity’.

    Why is West Bank diverse? Jews insisted on intruding into the territory to make themselves ‘included’ among the Palestinians.

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  7. 5371 says:
    @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    That would be more than 20% of all births to Asian women in the US in 2014. Very unlikely.

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  8. Veracitor says:

    Twenty years ago, just minutes before then-President Bill Clinton launched the Democratic party’s whole “great and unprecedented, candid Conversation® about Race” political program of endless and mendacious hectoring in his 1997 commencement address to UCSD, he took a moment to brag that “freedom has now ascended around the globe, with more than half of the people in this old world living under governments of their own choosing for the very first time.”

    Sadly, the people of Tibet were not among those happy throngs.

    In 1997 at UCSD Bill Clinton told us (presciently alluding to the Zeroeth Amendment) that “our Statue of Liberty welcomes poor, tired, huddled masses of immigrants to our borders.” He neglected to mention that as soon as those worthies arrive, they embroil Americans in the conflicts and intrigues of the countries from which they came, be those the interminable jihad of the Umma or the ethnonationalist imperialism of the Han Chinese.

    Now we live in the United States that Bill Clinton and his friends labored so remorselessly to build, so we can watch the “huddled masses” of Chinese Communist immigrants try to squelch the “piercing wisdom” (Bill Clinton’s words in 1997) of the Dalai Lama’s “East Asian religion” in San Diego, California, USA in the year 2017. Will the ChiComs be assisted by the black-uniformed shock troops of the American left who assaulted UC Berkeley last week?

    In 1997 at UCSD Bill Clinton praised the US military over and over, and specially lauded American servicemen, white and black, for their “defense of freedom against Communism.” I wonder what Bill would say to UCSD’s Chinese (and Chicano, and black, and white) communist/fellow-travellerå agitators today.

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    Yeah, Clinton "praised the US military" all right. The same US military within which he refused to serve back in his student days. Whatever one may think of old man Bush he experienced war firsthand as a young Army - Air Force pilot in WW II. None of his four successors (including Junior) could make that claim.
  9. Bill P says:

    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    From the few American students I have spoken with recently, it’s a very unpopular trend.

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  10. @Bill P

    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.
     
    From the few American students I have spoken with recently, it's a very unpopular trend.

    Some good news amid the gloom.

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  11. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    Looking from the outside in at the US higher ed scene as Daughter Calvinist draws nearer to college age, I’m well aware of the prices charged to overseas students.

    This phenomenon is widespread, actually: universities in the UK and especially Australia also admit large numbers of overseas students, lots and lots of them Chinese, and charge them pretty much full fare in most cases.

    This story at UCSD is really interesting. If Chinese students (and their money-hemorrhaging parents) start to wake up to 1) how much they’re being discriminated against in terms of college entrance requirements; and 2) how much they’re expected to pay in comparison to other students, there could be some fireworks down the road.

    Finally: ‘Legacy Majority’ — LOL, except not really so much.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.
  12. Lot says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.
     
    Whoa, hoss, back up a bit. What do you mean by "mingling"? Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao's red book!

    Mao, you magnificent bastard, we read your book!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM


    As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart.
     
    Hmmm, maybe this Chancellor is smarter than I'd normally give him credit for, as a Univ. Admin. Notice these are alumni complaining. Possibly, and I'm not saying because they're Chinese*, they really don't give much money back to the school. The Chancellor may have invited Mr Lama, just to cheese-off these alumni, so they would realize they don't have any pull to stop it by withholding their donations that last year amounted to only 550 RMB all-totaled ( 84 dollars and 61 cents US) . "Hey, if you'd have donated more money to our fine institutions, you'd have enough money to nix this Jack-leg. Pony up, Zhong-guo Ren!"

    Oh yeah, that is a lot of Chinese people if they have a Shanghai Chinese Students Organization. Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    * OK, I am.

    UCSD’s most famous major donor was Dr. Suess. It’s largest donor is Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcomm, which is currently being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_M._Jacobs

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property."

    "Furthermore, Qualcomm was facing anti-trust investigations in China, the European Union, and the United States."

    No. It's because Qualcomm illegally fix prices worldwide.
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    It's amusing to see the earlier cartoons of Theodor Seuss Geisel. You'll get a lot more "diversity" than you bargained for. Check out

    www.weekendcollective.com/when-dr-seuss-was-super-racist/
  13. @Achmed E. Newman

    What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.
     
    Whoa, hoss, back up a bit. What do you mean by "mingling"? Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao's red book!

    Mao, you magnificent bastard, we read your book!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM


    As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart.
     
    Hmmm, maybe this Chancellor is smarter than I'd normally give him credit for, as a Univ. Admin. Notice these are alumni complaining. Possibly, and I'm not saying because they're Chinese*, they really don't give much money back to the school. The Chancellor may have invited Mr Lama, just to cheese-off these alumni, so they would realize they don't have any pull to stop it by withholding their donations that last year amounted to only 550 RMB all-totaled ( 84 dollars and 61 cents US) . "Hey, if you'd have donated more money to our fine institutions, you'd have enough money to nix this Jack-leg. Pony up, Zhong-guo Ren!"

    Oh yeah, that is a lot of Chinese people if they have a Shanghai Chinese Students Organization. Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    * OK, I am.

    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao’s and Stalin’s many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind’s goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, “feudal traditions” or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    What you choose to call "Western PC" does pervert Marxism by making class struggle a peripheral concern, but it is still fundamentally Marxist in that it views the world through a rigid, one-way lens of "oppressor vs oppressed" groups.

    Marx, in all his brilliance, was apparently unable to predict just how easily the capitalists would be able to warp his theory into the greatest method of dividing the working class ever devised.
    , @reiner Tor
    The expression "politically correct" originated in Soviet Russia in the 1920s, and meant any opinion approved by the bolshevik party. In the USSR it fell into disuse later on, but was adopted by the Chinese communists, who used it extensively in the 1960s during the cultural revolution. This is whence 1960s counter-culture types took it, but it only became widespread in the 1980s. Its meaning is essentially still unchanged: it still means anything approved by the official far-left propaganda outlets.
    , @John K.
    It is an odd irony of history that those who lived under the Old Left in the Cold War were granted mental immunization from today's New Left. Most older Chinese frankly think Western obsessions with race, gender, identity that their grandchildren pick up on US college campuses are ridiculous and beneath contempt.

    And yes. For all the often horrific flaws of Marxism-flaws that ended up taking tens of millions of lives throughout the 20th Century-it at least genuinely sought to improve the lot of the working class, and highly valued science, education, modernity, etc. In its own way, it very much was a product of Western culture, of Hegel and German Idealism, and it shows: Marx and Engels regularly discoursed about classical history, for example, and-albeit through a Marxist prism-would have expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics, now derided as being in need of purification against the predations of the alt-right. They'd be flat out appalled by today's leftists, particularly by their anti-intellectual, quasi-religious attitudes, and their choice of priorities. It also goes the other way around. During the latter part of the Cold War, Soviet leaders had views on "new feminism", political correctness, race and the rest that would make Pat Buchanan, let alone your typical bien-pensant, blush.

    Of course, this mutual mental disconnect has been a bit of a longstanding issue, as seen by the relationship of affluent 1960s campus leftists with actual Communists, but that's another story for another day.

    One other interesting note: look at what Marx, Gompers, or especially Cesar Chavez thought of unchecked, and in the case of the last one, illegal immigration. If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy last year, he would have brought that one up.

    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    You are giving them too much credit. Most just want to virtue signal for their upper middle class friends and show how enlightened they are.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Akuleyev, I will defer to what Mr. Tor said about the PC business - the term "politically correct" was from the Red Chinese, but that's not saying the PC terms then were as close to peak stupid as the stuff you hear in this country.

    Note, I did not include "diversity" as coming from Mao's book - just PC. I was saying that both of those terms would be in the "communists" bylaws of OUR country. To me, the "cultural marxists" or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War. A slow advance through the media, universities, and government (last) worked better than taking over Eastern Europe, basing a huge quantity of tanks there, working with the Red Chinese, placing missiles in Cuber, increasing the missile gap, and banging shoes on the podium during speeches. Who knew?

    The external plan did not have a section for dealing with a Ronald Reagan (along with millions of American mechanical/electrical engineers and all the soldiers, Sailers (sic) and airmen). The same Ronnie stopped the internal plan for a time in California, but he was just one man, and the long-haired smelly hippies were multitudinous.

    I totally agree that dieversity was not anything thought about by the Soviet Commies or the Red Chinese version, or any other in the Cold War days. It's a fairly recent destructive strategy. I'm sure someone got a big medal with multiple ribbons for that one.
    , @eD
    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model."

    Steve and lots of commentators on this site write a great deal about "political correctness"/ "cultural marxism" (what do the proponents of this call it? PC was originally a critical term, like cultural marxism. Do the people favoring this call it something?), but this is the first comment I've seen in awhile to attempt to come to grips about where this came from.

    My theory is that it was created by intelligence/ security agencies in capitalist countries, who infiltrated left wing organizations and got them to espouse nonsense. There are lots of problems with old style, economic marxism but its not outright crazy like its cultural cousin. But I can't figure out why corporations, universities, some churches, and now the military in capitalist countries started pushing it. It could be some means of control or brainwashing I can't understand.
    , @TheJester

    Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.
     
    Yes ... yes ...yes! The theoretical architecture of Economic Marxism and Cultural Marxism are the same except for who are identified as the Evil Ones to justify looting them of their wealth. Marx thought the Evil Ones were the bourgeois class. Colonial Marxists of the 1960s declared they were the European colonists. With globalization, the migrating Third World minorities and their allies are declaring that the Evil Ones are White Males from First World countries.

    Indeed, the Economic Marxism and Cultural Marxism are so close in their architecture that it would make sense to call Hussein Obama and his fellow travelers "Communists" since both envision a massive, forced, communal transfer of wealth from the guilty "haves" to the exploited "have nots". Reparations for oppression, exploitation, and all that. The only difference is that this time, the Communists don't want to prematurely "kill the Golden goose" of capitalism. Better to selectively confiscate the wealth it produces to create a comprehensive social welfare state that they control.

    Both versions of Marxism recognize that the Evil Ones will not go quietly into the night. So, an authoritarian, fascist social order is in order that empowers the state to control all aspects of public and private life -- government, business, academia, agriculture, military, etc. -- to disempower and silence the Evil Ones.

    The Jewish neocons are not the only people who owe their inspiration to Marx and Trotsky. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and the European socialists also find their inspiration in Marx and Trotsky.
    , @Greg Pandatshang

    For all of Mao’s and Stalin’s many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity.
     
    Arguably true if you read between the lines. If you go by overt statements, Mao strongly favored left-wing style diversity. The early PRC established the vast array of officially "ethnic autonomous" government entities. They also underwent an extensive program of categorising all citizens by ethnic group (producing the famous-to-Chinese-people list of 56 official ethnic groups of China) for the express purpose of making quotas for their inclusion in the government. These quotas are still in place today – for everything except the really important positions, of course.
  14. AndrewR says:

    I’m certain that the smarter peddlers of so-called critical theory knew exactly what the endgame was. The continued demonization of whites long after whites lose demographic and political dominance is a feature not a bug.

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  15. AndrewR says:
    @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    That’s a huge number, actually. Well over one percent of all births in the US. And that’s not counting all the tourists/illegals from other countries who pop out citizens here.

    BRC is a travesty.

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    AndrewR

    I don't think Yan Shen said that the number (~60,000) was insignificant. He said its significance was a matter that could be discussed. It's an important difference.

    What he did say, explicitly, was that birth tourism "sucks in principle."
  16. Anonym says:
    @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    Not overwhelming, huh? So 60k Chinese per year become American citizens through dishonest means, while in mainland China there are 71k Americans (citizens or otherwise), from the beginning of eternity until now, in total!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_China

    These new Chinese-Americans should open up chutzpah classes and solicit new students by asking to borrow the ADL’s mailing list.

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  17. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    That’s why colleges prefer foreigners: they’re more profitable than American students.

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  18. J says:

    I wonder what is doing to young American Whites to study today in the UCSD. They must be lonely, depressed and discouraged.

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    Yo J..it's not just UCSD, it's basically every high school in the Bay Area as well. I white boy in high school is a stranger in a strange strange land..
    , @Njguy73

    I wonder what is doing to young American Whites to study today in the UCSD.
     
    Hopefully, it'll make them want to study hard enough so they can go out-of-state to college and get a job somewhere outside California, never to return.
  19. AndrewR says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    What you choose to call “Western PC” does pervert Marxism by making class struggle a peripheral concern, but it is still fundamentally Marxist in that it views the world through a rigid, one-way lens of “oppressor vs oppressed” groups.

    Marx, in all his brilliance, was apparently unable to predict just how easily the capitalists would be able to warp his theory into the greatest method of dividing the working class ever devised.

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  20. @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    The expression “politically correct” originated in Soviet Russia in the 1920s, and meant any opinion approved by the bolshevik party. In the USSR it fell into disuse later on, but was adopted by the Chinese communists, who used it extensively in the 1960s during the cultural revolution. This is whence 1960s counter-culture types took it, but it only became widespread in the 1980s. Its meaning is essentially still unchanged: it still means anything approved by the official far-left propaganda outlets.

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    • Replies: @tcjfs
    Actually the phrase "politically correct" is as American as apple pie.

    It is first used by James Wilson in his opinion for Chisholm v. Georgia, as a rebuke to "state's rights." (Sound familiar?)

    In the United states, and in the several states, which compose the Union, we go not so far, but still we go one step farther than we ought to go in this unnatural and inverted order of things. The states, rather than the people, for whose sakes the states exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention. This, I believe, has produced much of the confusion and perplexity which have appeared in several proceedings and several publications on state politics, and on the politics, too, of the United states. Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language. Is a toast asked? 'The United states,' instead of the 'People of the United states,' is the toast given. This is not politically correct. The toast is meant to present to view the first great object in the Union: it presents only the second. It presents only the artificial person, instead of the natural persons who spoke it into existence. A state I cheerfully fully admit, is the noblest work of Man. But, Man himself, free and honest, is, I speak as to this world, the noblest work of God.
     
    There's nothing new under the American sun.
    , @Verymuchalive
    Although the term politically correct may have been used sporadically in the past, its continuous use dates from Soviet Russia from at least the early 1920s. POLITICHESKAYA PRAVIL'NOST' was originally translated as ideologically correct, that is words, ideas and practices consistent with Marxism-Leninism, which is where I encountered it in the 1970s.
    With the rise of the New Left, politically correct indicates words, ideas and practices consistent with the views of the New Left.
    For the ground-breaking study of this subject, see Frank Ellis, " Political Correctness and the Theoretical Struggle, from Lenin and Mao to Marcuse and Foucault " ( Maxim Institute, Auckland, 2004 )
    If you can obtain a copy of this short but important work, I advise you to get it.
    Dr Ellis calls the New Left Neo-Marxists, which is much more apt than calling them Cultural Marxists. Dr Ellis makes the point well when he writes that traditional Marxists wanted to control the means of production - the economy - whereas Neo-Marxists want to control the means of expression - the dictionary.
  21. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    Does that mean all those enrolled illegal alien students are coughing up $40k per year?

    Or since they’re LARPing as “Americans”, and Americans with a victim-status at that, do they get discounts? If so, could this be a solution for any foreign students aggrieved about paying full tuition: just re-register as illegal aliens?

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    They probably at least receive preference in admissions.
  22. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    UCSD's most famous major donor was Dr. Suess. It's largest donor is Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcomm, which is currently being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_M._Jacobs

    “being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property.”

    “Furthermore, Qualcomm was facing anti-trust investigations in China, the European Union, and the United States.”

    No. It’s because Qualcomm illegally fix prices worldwide.

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  23. But The Historic Native Born White American Majority is suppose tolerate highly racialized Chinese “Americans” voting Whitey into a racial minority on Nov 8 2020…

    Bring back The 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!

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  24. John K. says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    It is an odd irony of history that those who lived under the Old Left in the Cold War were granted mental immunization from today’s New Left. Most older Chinese frankly think Western obsessions with race, gender, identity that their grandchildren pick up on US college campuses are ridiculous and beneath contempt.

    And yes. For all the often horrific flaws of Marxism-flaws that ended up taking tens of millions of lives throughout the 20th Century-it at least genuinely sought to improve the lot of the working class, and highly valued science, education, modernity, etc. In its own way, it very much was a product of Western culture, of Hegel and German Idealism, and it shows: Marx and Engels regularly discoursed about classical history, for example, and-albeit through a Marxist prism-would have expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics, now derided as being in need of purification against the predations of the alt-right. They’d be flat out appalled by today’s leftists, particularly by their anti-intellectual, quasi-religious attitudes, and their choice of priorities. It also goes the other way around. During the latter part of the Cold War, Soviet leaders had views on “new feminism”, political correctness, race and the rest that would make Pat Buchanan, let alone your typical bien-pensant, blush.

    Of course, this mutual mental disconnect has been a bit of a longstanding issue, as seen by the relationship of affluent 1960s campus leftists with actual Communists, but that’s another story for another day.

    One other interesting note: look at what Marx, Gompers, or especially Cesar Chavez thought of unchecked, and in the case of the last one, illegal immigration. If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy last year, he would have brought that one up.

    “Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    You are giving them too much credit. Most just want to virtue signal for their upper middle class friends and show how enlightened they are.

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    Forgot to add one last comment that came to mind which isn't really related to the subject, but whatever...


    A Soviet female veteran who fought the Nazis as a partisan for years, risking the usual gang rape+quick bullet to the head combo if captured, would probably be quite amused at the notion of modern "feminists" in the Western media calling themselves "The Resistance"... for debating the various nefarious means the patriarchy (and remember-it is the WHITE male patriarchy, regardless of the statistics of which cultures treat women better) has of subverting their well-paid asses. Matter of fact, you could probably say the same for today's Kurdish female fighters kicking the ass of ISIS goons who want to take them as sex slaves, or Somali women fleeing genital mutilation, or Pakistani women risking having acid thrown into their face for learning how to read. That's real feminism. That is something to be heartily approved of and supported.

    Maybe this meme sums it up better:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXtnslFWcAAftSQ.jpg

    , @Weltanschauung
    "If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy"

    We settle for what we can get.

    To look on the bright side, an "intellectually vibrant" President Trump might scare even me.
    , @Weltanschauung
    "expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics"

    Yes, the Soviets kept Pushkin and Dostoyevsky in print and in the curriculum. So maybe my grandchildren will still be able to learn from King Lear what gratitude you can expect for surrendering your authority.
  25. slumber_j says:

    Steve, it’s not the Austrian. Anyone who’s been following these issues for a while as I have knows it’s been Phil Silvers all along. Who was Jewish, by the way!

    From the AP in 1987:

    LONDON — A Chinese soldier in Tibet who tried to tear off a British woman’s “Sergeant Bilko” T-shirt has become the first known case of someone mistaking Phil Silvers for the Dalai Lama.

    As Kris Tait, 25, described the scene to British newspapers today, a large crowd of Tibetans apparently agreed with him about a likeness between the late American comedian and Tibet’s exiled god-king.

    Tait said she was in the town of Gyangste when a soldier noticed the shirt. She said that as he tried to rip it off, a crowd of Tibetans gathered, pointing at the portrait and chanting “Dalai Lama!”

    The tourist said she wrenched free and fled to find a change of clothes.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1987-11-13/news/mn-13983_1_dalai-lama

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    Damn it feels good to be in Gyangste
    , @Mr. Anon
    Chinese nationalists would be especially offended if they ever saw an episode of "The Dick Van Dyke Show":

    Mel Cooley

  26. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    You mean discriminating in favor of Chinese “American” Citizens. Perhaps you are being a little sleight-of-hand-dishonest in your comments Steve….Are you going to allow this post go through?

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  27. Lot says:

    Harvest time is months away, but crops are already rotting in the fields due to lack of illegal labor and guest workers

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-14/trump-s-immigration-crackdown-triggers-anxiety-across-u-s-farms

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    How is it possible that crops rot when harvest time is months away?
  28. John K. says:
    @John K.
    It is an odd irony of history that those who lived under the Old Left in the Cold War were granted mental immunization from today's New Left. Most older Chinese frankly think Western obsessions with race, gender, identity that their grandchildren pick up on US college campuses are ridiculous and beneath contempt.

    And yes. For all the often horrific flaws of Marxism-flaws that ended up taking tens of millions of lives throughout the 20th Century-it at least genuinely sought to improve the lot of the working class, and highly valued science, education, modernity, etc. In its own way, it very much was a product of Western culture, of Hegel and German Idealism, and it shows: Marx and Engels regularly discoursed about classical history, for example, and-albeit through a Marxist prism-would have expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics, now derided as being in need of purification against the predations of the alt-right. They'd be flat out appalled by today's leftists, particularly by their anti-intellectual, quasi-religious attitudes, and their choice of priorities. It also goes the other way around. During the latter part of the Cold War, Soviet leaders had views on "new feminism", political correctness, race and the rest that would make Pat Buchanan, let alone your typical bien-pensant, blush.

    Of course, this mutual mental disconnect has been a bit of a longstanding issue, as seen by the relationship of affluent 1960s campus leftists with actual Communists, but that's another story for another day.

    One other interesting note: look at what Marx, Gompers, or especially Cesar Chavez thought of unchecked, and in the case of the last one, illegal immigration. If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy last year, he would have brought that one up.

    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    You are giving them too much credit. Most just want to virtue signal for their upper middle class friends and show how enlightened they are.

    Forgot to add one last comment that came to mind which isn’t really related to the subject, but whatever…

    A Soviet female veteran who fought the Nazis as a partisan for years, risking the usual gang rape+quick bullet to the head combo if captured, would probably be quite amused at the notion of modern “feminists” in the Western media calling themselves “The Resistance”… for debating the various nefarious means the patriarchy (and remember-it is the WHITE male patriarchy, regardless of the statistics of which cultures treat women better) has of subverting their well-paid asses. Matter of fact, you could probably say the same for today’s Kurdish female fighters kicking the ass of ISIS goons who want to take them as sex slaves, or Somali women fleeing genital mutilation, or Pakistani women risking having acid thrown into their face for learning how to read. That’s real feminism. That is something to be heartily approved of and supported.

    Maybe this meme sums it up better:

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    Could not agree more and great meme!
    , @Whoever

    Maybe this meme sums it up better
     
    Naw, it don't.
    This one does:
    http://i.imgur.com/GsgQW1n.jpg
    Of course, the females you associate with and those I associate with might be of different types. I prefer my type.
  29. Chinese “American” idea of diversity:drive past SUNY Stony Brook…just down the road from the American Renaissance hedge fund on 25A…you will never see a Native Born White American Student.

    SUNY Stony Brook was paid for, and built with the hands of Native Born White American WW2…Korean War….Vietnam War Veterans.

    The intent of the passage of the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act was to prevent this above from ever happening….

    In 2017…the Chinese “Americans” by voting Democrstic on Nov 8 2016…have voted for, and implemented a defacto Native Born White American Exclusion Act in America…

    Steve’s got the West Coast covered…….I got the East Coast covered.

    Steve

    You have been given a DIVINE EDICT to let this post go through!!!

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  30. Yak-15 says:

    Steven Seagal claims to be the reincarnation of a Dalai Lama. He should take this fake Dalai Lama’s place at the graduation ceremony.

    So Lama, how about something a little extra for the effort?

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  31. What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.

    That sentence turns in on itself in a redundancy vortex. How can something mingle with itself?

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  32. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    Steve, although that was written partly in jest (keep in mind, I said “alumni”, not current students), I have been in the university environment for a good bit in the past. I understand how much money the schools make off the foreign students. Back in the 90′s there were quite a few from the middle east – but that was all relative as a) there weren’t nearly as many from China back then, and b) you wouldn’t see any blatant moslems of any sort anywhere else but the campus then so they stood out.

    Some of the 100,000′s of Chinese students plan on staying here (whether legally or not), but of the ones who don’t but whose parents think it is the biggest deal to get a piece of paper from an American university, they will eventually be sorry they bothered. Reputations take a long time to change and haven’t caught up to reality yet

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    It's time for Trump to start enforcing the sworn statement that ALL student visa holders make before they can get their visas: that they have no intention to immigrate here.

    You spent $200,000 for that US undergrad degree? Thank you very much, now go back home.
  33. @Lot
    UCSD's most famous major donor was Dr. Suess. It's largest donor is Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcomm, which is currently being squeezed by the Chinese government which wants to let Chinese companies steal its intellectual property.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_M._Jacobs

    It’s amusing to see the earlier cartoons of Theodor Seuss Geisel. You’ll get a lot more “diversity” than you bargained for. Check out

    http://www.weekendcollective.com/when-dr-seuss-was-super-racist/

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    Dr. Suess was not only a great children's book author and illustrator, but many people don't know that he was very prescient back then wrt the coming dieversity. He could foresee different cultures, some that didn't amount to much, your Nooks, Zans, Gox's, Yings, Yinks and Yops. On the other hand he foresaw our brethren from the Middle East, as this quote demonstrates:

    (Verbatim from Green Eggs and Ham, children's version, Chapter 1, verse 1 pps 42, 43, and 46:)


    "Could you, would you, with a goat?"

    "I could not, would not, with a goat."

    "I will not, will not, with a goat".

     

    Now, listen, we all know what the good Doc is talking about here - let's not beat around the bush. It sounds like the protagonist of this allegory has at least assimilated to Western culture, but the reader is left to speculate about Sam-I-Am.
  34. @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    Mr. Akuleyev, I will defer to what Mr. Tor said about the PC business – the term “politically correct” was from the Red Chinese, but that’s not saying the PC terms then were as close to peak stupid as the stuff you hear in this country.

    Note, I did not include “diversity” as coming from Mao’s book – just PC. I was saying that both of those terms would be in the “communists” bylaws of OUR country. To me, the “cultural marxists” or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War. A slow advance through the media, universities, and government (last) worked better than taking over Eastern Europe, basing a huge quantity of tanks there, working with the Red Chinese, placing missiles in Cuber, increasing the missile gap, and banging shoes on the podium during speeches. Who knew?

    The external plan did not have a section for dealing with a Ronald Reagan (along with millions of American mechanical/electrical engineers and all the soldiers, Sailers (sic) and airmen). The same Ronnie stopped the internal plan for a time in California, but he was just one man, and the long-haired smelly hippies were multitudinous.

    I totally agree that dieversity was not anything thought about by the Soviet Commies or the Red Chinese version, or any other in the Cold War days. It’s a fairly recent destructive strategy. I’m sure someone got a big medal with multiple ribbons for that one.

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    • Replies: @ussr andy

    To me, the “cultural marxists” or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War.
     
    this is... stupid. Moreso as "the internal troops" became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.

    unless that, too, was a plan... Russians dial PC up to 11, Americans get fed-up and elect the Russians' guy to the Whitehouse. Whoa....
  35. Claude says:

    Yeah…I think we’ll (hopefully) look back at the 2005 through around 2020 as the “White Scare” years. Much like communists lurking under every bed and landing on the coasts in the 50s, today we have CNN stories about “White Nationalism on the rise in repackaged form” and such.

    It’s really symptomatic of a dying belief system. The Salem witch trials I’ve heard took place at a time where The Church was at a low ebb of power, and that accompanied a fear that all the mystical forces which had previously been held in check were now free to roam. Similarly, the Red Scare came about in at least partly from the rise of the Iron Curtain, China falling to Communism, etc.

    And today, we see the last shrill gasps of the Civil Rights movement. It failed. The gap(s) endure. So like armies of witches roaming through 1600s Massachusetts, all these white supremacists are free to do their dirty work unless saying twenty diversity rosaries and bashing a Nazi’s head in…or something.

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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I mean, how many Chinese people can there possibly be on Earth?

    Oh. Really?

    Benny Hill: Once upon a time there were two Chinamen. No rook how many!

    Chinese scooter man

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  37. jim jones says:

    Here in the UK foreign students are a money-making scheme for the Unis. Students just copy/paste stuff from existing work into their Dissertation/Thesis, the result is an illiterate mess but nobody cares.

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  38. Ron Unz wrote a 6 hundred thousand word essay on how some Jews at Ivy League university admissions offices are screwing over Asian and European Christian Americans by stuffing Jew students into each and every class at these joints. Pat Buchanan wrote a similar piece about how European Christian students are being culled or displaced at Ivy League universities.

    The Deep State is infested with Jews and legacy WASPs from these Ivy League universities. These Deep State skunks are now attacking President Trump. Harvard is the worst of the bunch. Harvard hates America.

    President Trump needs to declare war on the Deep State and the Ivy League universities. The Harvard Management Company has about 35 BILLION dollars piled away. They claim to have made 10 percent returns on their ill-gotten gains. The Harvard Management Company has benefited immensely from the monetary extremism emanating from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. They ain’t financial geniuses, they are just in on the Fed scam.

    President Trump should tax the hell out of the Harvard Management Company’s pile of loot. President Trump could pay for the construction of the wall between the USA and Mexico with the proceeds from the Viking raid against the Harvard Management Company. President Trump could then bill Mexico for the full price of the wall plus 20 percent for good measure.

    President Trump must take bold action to protect and defend the United States of America.

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  39. @Almost Missouri
    Does that mean all those enrolled illegal alien students are coughing up $40k per year?

    Or since they're LARPing as "Americans", and Americans with a victim-status at that, do they get discounts? If so, could this be a solution for any foreign students aggrieved about paying full tuition: just re-register as illegal aliens?

    They probably at least receive preference in admissions.

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  40. iffen says:

    Slightly OT:

    The SPLC says that Trump has engendered a tripling of anti-Muslim hate groups. They also say that these groups don’t do much in the way of public activities, but they don’t really need to do much because Trump is doing their work for them.

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  41. Hubbub says:

    But now you are telling me that in a globalized world, whites are a minority!

    OMG, was it ever so? Now, I’m beginning to feel oppressed by the hordes of Others out THERE seeking to obliterate the few Whites still left in the world – Chinese everywhere, Muslims coming ashore, etc. Oh, woe!

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  42. NeonBets says:

    Because diversity is so important in sports….

    Jay Kang wrote this article: ‘Should Athletes Stick to Sports?” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/magazine/should-athletes-stick-to-sports.html?_r=0

    My answer: Yes.

    Past that, I am curious–is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake? Sports, music, books, etc….Do they enjoy anything anymore on its own–without injecting politics?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake?

    Politics
  43. @(((Owen)))
    It's just the latest incarnation of BDS. Mass immigration means the historic American people will be displaced and that always means subjugation.

    We're lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing. The Chinese and Moslems are not going to have mercy on us. The noose will tighten and tighten as long as we ignorantly welcome conquerors into what was once our nation.

    Evolution chooses the living creature best suited for the environment. People always use the word “evolve” to mean progress or, more often, that someone’s opinion has moved closer to their own. Not the case.

    Whites aren’t very well suited for the current environment, which, ironically, they mostly created. Excessive altruism is a world of mass media and easy transportation doesn’t seem to be a great trait.

    If whites survive this time period, they will be a very different breed, much more clannish. The future of whites very well may depend on Eastern Europeans and our own Scotch-Irish, which is ironic given that NW Europeans always looked down on those groups.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    The Scots Irish are the least racially clannish of all the Whites.
  44. snorlax says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Looking from the outside in at the US higher ed scene as Daughter Calvinist draws nearer to college age, I'm well aware of the prices charged to overseas students.

    This phenomenon is widespread, actually: universities in the UK and especially Australia also admit large numbers of overseas students, lots and lots of them Chinese, and charge them pretty much full fare in most cases.

    This story at UCSD is really interesting. If Chinese students (and their money-hemorrhaging parents) start to wake up to 1) how much they're being discriminated against in terms of college entrance requirements; and 2) how much they're expected to pay in comparison to other students, there could be some fireworks down the road.

    Finally: 'Legacy Majority' -- LOL, except not really so much.

    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.
     
    A lot of them are Korean, go to BC, BU & NEU, and their cars can top $200k.
    , @ANON
    As I walked through the Back Bay yesterday, I was passed by a young Chinese guy driving a $200,000 Bentley.
  45. If you want a glimpse of the Han Chinese worldview, watch Jet Li’s “Fearless.” I’ll summarize:

    The Americans are stupid bullies, the British and French are crooked fops, the Japanese are affectatious pigs and imperialist running dogs.

    Noble Han is Benevolent and Supreme Guardian of diverse Asian peoples!

    China wants Asia and the Pacific, and if the slot for top dog on the planet opens up, they’ll take that too.

    Our pissing match with Russia is an unfolding disaster.

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  46. JohnnyGeo says:
    @slumber_j
    Steve, it's not the Austrian. Anyone who's been following these issues for a while as I have knows it's been Phil Silvers all along. Who was Jewish, by the way!

    From the AP in 1987:

    LONDON — A Chinese soldier in Tibet who tried to tear off a British woman's "Sergeant Bilko" T-shirt has become the first known case of someone mistaking Phil Silvers for the Dalai Lama.

    As Kris Tait, 25, described the scene to British newspapers today, a large crowd of Tibetans apparently agreed with him about a likeness between the late American comedian and Tibet's exiled god-king.

    Tait said she was in the town of Gyangste when a soldier noticed the shirt. She said that as he tried to rip it off, a crowd of Tibetans gathered, pointing at the portrait and chanting "Dalai Lama!"

    The tourist said she wrenched free and fled to find a change of clothes.
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1987-11-13/news/mn-13983_1_dalai-lama

    Damn it feels good to be in Gyangste

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  47. snorlax says:

    Imagine the complete contempt the Chinese students must feel for white liberals. Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I'm sure it's similar to the contempt we feel for White liberals.

    "Stupid round-eye you give your country away!"
    , @John Derbyshire

    Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.
     
    You wouldn't know what they were saying. Mandarin-speakers can't understand Shanghainese.
    , @artichoke
    They're just using "diversity and inclusion" bs because it seems to work, and they really hate the idea of anti-China Dalai Lama speaking at their graduation.
  48. This is glorious. I believe that if we continue to mangle their sacred words, sooner or later they’ll have to stop using them, at least. And its completely true, anything that offends me technically excludes me, so for the world to be truly inclusive, everyone should bend to my will.

    I, too, can be a SJW now!

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    I get the impression that Asians are even more concerned than whites at not offending anyone, if that's possible. Like, if there were Americans at a Japanese university, and they said they'd be offended if the commencement speech didn't start and end with "Hail Big Mac!," then Hairy Big Mac it would be. Hence the “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” trope mentioned in the article.

    Of course they get around this by simply not letting in new minorities, and encouraging existing ones to assimilate with lots of passive-aggression (microaggressions?) that don't rise to the level of offense.
  49. Mr. Anon says:

    What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.

    Weirdly? Communist Party orthodoxy and the “ideals” of contemporary academia go together like salt and pepper.

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  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @slumber_j
    Steve, it's not the Austrian. Anyone who's been following these issues for a while as I have knows it's been Phil Silvers all along. Who was Jewish, by the way!

    From the AP in 1987:

    LONDON — A Chinese soldier in Tibet who tried to tear off a British woman's "Sergeant Bilko" T-shirt has become the first known case of someone mistaking Phil Silvers for the Dalai Lama.

    As Kris Tait, 25, described the scene to British newspapers today, a large crowd of Tibetans apparently agreed with him about a likeness between the late American comedian and Tibet's exiled god-king.

    Tait said she was in the town of Gyangste when a soldier noticed the shirt. She said that as he tried to rip it off, a crowd of Tibetans gathered, pointing at the portrait and chanting "Dalai Lama!"

    The tourist said she wrenched free and fled to find a change of clothes.
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1987-11-13/news/mn-13983_1_dalai-lama

    Chinese nationalists would be especially offended if they ever saw an episode of “The Dick Van Dyke Show”:

    Mel Cooley

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  51. eD says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    “Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model.”

    Steve and lots of commentators on this site write a great deal about “political correctness”/ “cultural marxism” (what do the proponents of this call it? PC was originally a critical term, like cultural marxism. Do the people favoring this call it something?), but this is the first comment I’ve seen in awhile to attempt to come to grips about where this came from.

    My theory is that it was created by intelligence/ security agencies in capitalist countries, who infiltrated left wing organizations and got them to espouse nonsense. There are lots of problems with old style, economic marxism but its not outright crazy like its cultural cousin. But I can’t figure out why corporations, universities, some churches, and now the military in capitalist countries started pushing it. It could be some means of control or brainwashing I can’t understand.

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    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    "Cultural Marxism" is just too vague a descriptor, and almost sounds conspiracy like. It's not a good designation of the enemy. Marxism, whatever form it takes, suffers from the same founding flaw: The assumption that people are or should be equals. So instead of protesting Cultural Marxism, it would be clearer to just protest Equality.
    , @El Dato
    This assumes that someone is in control.

    Memes (in the old sense of "ideas" not in the new sense of "text-adorned pictures on the Internet) have a tendency to mutate and take on lives of their own.

    Consider the unforseeable consequence of the German's High Command's decision to ship Lenin into the Russian Empire. A Last Stand At Berlin Bunker about 40 years later. What a surprise.

    People may yet come to rue indulging Saudi Arabia or feeding ISIS raw meat for "regime change" purposes.
  52. Nico says:

    This is just the intersection of newly-instilled “trigger” listeners when Chinese students come to America with a line they have been taught since birth: that expressions of local particularism are an existential threat to the Chinese nation. Tibetian Buddhism, as you might imagine, is a MAJOR flashpoint on that front. Of course, any tourist who has been to Tibet off the “official” tour circles knows exactly how rotten the Tibetians are treated by the Chinese authorities. Saying that used to be non-controversial, but with the growing purchasing power of the CCP-brainwashed diaspora ready and willing to use SWPL “sensitivity” paradigms to further the agenda of their brainwashers, we are expected to sweep the real nature of the Chinese government under the rug.

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  53. inertial says:

    Chinese students are joining their peers on American campuses in getting woke. Their cause? Defending the official line of the Communist Party.

    I don’t have a strong opinion on the China vs. Tibet issue but it is obvious even to me that Communism has nothing to do with it. In 95% of the cases when China or its government are referred to as “Communist” the goal is to make them appear more sinister. It’s a manipulation technique.

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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.

    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.

    A lot of them are Korean, go to BC, BU & NEU, and their cars can top $200k.

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  55. snorlax says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is glorious. I believe that if we continue to mangle their sacred words, sooner or later they'll have to stop using them, at least. And its completely true, anything that offends me technically excludes me, so for the world to be truly inclusive, everyone should bend to my will.

    I, too, can be a SJW now!

    I get the impression that Asians are even more concerned than whites at not offending anyone, if that’s possible. Like, if there were Americans at a Japanese university, and they said they’d be offended if the commencement speech didn’t start and end with “Hail Big Mac!,” then Hairy Big Mac it would be. Hence the “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” trope mentioned in the article.

    Of course they get around this by simply not letting in new minorities, and encouraging existing ones to assimilate with lots of passive-aggression (microaggressions?) that don’t rise to the level of offense.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I suppose it all makes sense if societal harmony is understood as exactly that. There's a lot of room for "niceness" but there also the entire "save yourself the trouble" by excluding people who wouldn't fit in anyway.

    But Confucianism, which still prevails a lot in thinking, is basically the notion that there's a "societal grammar" where all long term residents eventually come to know their role in. The comfort and harmony comes from being able know what is expected from, and what to expect from others. It can work very well, and excessive cordiality can be extended to guests.

    But if anyone to integrate, of course, they need to eventually "learn the grammar" and fit in.
  56. MG says:

    Reads like a piece from the Onion. These are the wages of ‘diversity.’ Every goddam group gets to file its own set of grievances.

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  57. OT

    Diversity also means that Puerto Rican drug smugglers should be fully in charge of your border protection for the full eight years of Dope & Change Era- from 2008-2016.

    Eight Years &Twenty Tons of Cocaine Later :

    “Using the U.S. Postal Service to deliver $3 million dollars’ worth of drugs into the New York area, these individuals believed that by hiding cocaine in boxes of children’s toys, they would be able to evade law enforcement,” said Melendez.

    “These arrests show that no matter how clever individuals think they are when it comes to smuggling drugs in the mail, sooner or later that knock on the door won’t be the mailman.”

    https://www.dea.gov/divisions/nyc/2017/nyc020817.shtml

    Trump is maybe learning hard way, but he is already sicario and tired of the Zer Uniparty Intel Kabal :

    They need a Dope State to pay for a Deep State.

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  58. @Veracitor
    Twenty years ago, just minutes before then-President Bill Clinton launched the Democratic party's whole "great and unprecedented, candid Conversation® about Race" political program of endless and mendacious hectoring in his 1997 commencement address to UCSD, he took a moment to brag that "freedom has now ascended around the globe, with more than half of the people in this old world living under governments of their own choosing for the very first time."

    Sadly, the people of Tibet were not among those happy throngs.

    In 1997 at UCSD Bill Clinton told us (presciently alluding to the Zeroeth Amendment) that "our Statue of Liberty welcomes poor, tired, huddled masses of immigrants to our borders." He neglected to mention that as soon as those worthies arrive, they embroil Americans in the conflicts and intrigues of the countries from which they came, be those the interminable jihad of the Umma or the ethnonationalist imperialism of the Han Chinese.

    Now we live in the United States that Bill Clinton and his friends labored so remorselessly to build, so we can watch the "huddled masses" of Chinese Communist immigrants try to squelch the "piercing wisdom" (Bill Clinton's words in 1997) of the Dalai Lama's "East Asian religion" in San Diego, California, USA in the year 2017. Will the ChiComs be assisted by the black-uniformed shock troops of the American left who assaulted UC Berkeley last week?

    In 1997 at UCSD Bill Clinton praised the US military over and over, and specially lauded American servicemen, white and black, for their "defense of freedom against Communism." I wonder what Bill would say to UCSD's Chinese (and Chicano, and black, and white) communist/fellow-travellerå agitators today.

    Yeah, Clinton “praised the US military” all right. The same US military within which he refused to serve back in his student days. Whatever one may think of old man Bush he experienced war firsthand as a young Army – Air Force pilot in WW II. None of his four successors (including Junior) could make that claim.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I believe that George Herbert Walker Bush was a U.S. Navy pilot. He flew an Avenger torpedo bomber and was shot down over Chi Chi Jima. In fairness, George W. Bush flew an F-102 in the Texas Air National Guard--not inherently an easy aircraft to fly.
    , @Milo Minderbinder
    Bush was not in the Army Air Corps, he was a Naval Aviator. He was commissioned 3 days before his 19th birthday, making him the youngest naval aviator ever, at that time
  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    But in a way don’t American universities discriminate against American students by accepting so many full-paying international students? An acquaintance of mine was worried about her daughter’s chances of getting into a good college, because of the high percentage of international students accepted by U.S. universities. (Her daughter was accepted to Stanford and is now a student there).

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  60. Vinay says:

    This is still about Edward Said but it’s at least related to the whole notion of the PC war on noticing.

    Your charge that Said’s “war on noticing” made the American public dumber about the Middle East would hold up a lot better if the Iraq war had been waged by a liberal Democrat who naively believed that Iraqis were just freedom-loving Americans in fancy dress and would welcome us as liberators. Instead, of course, it was waged by GWB and prominently supported by….wait for it…BERNARD LEWIS.

    The same Bernard Lewis, who was a prominent critic of Orientalism, was a cheerleader for the Iraq War, one of the prime examples of misunderstanding the Middle East. Commenter Barbicane asked why American intellectuals fell for “Orientalism”. I’d guess it’s partly because the Orientalist approach wasn’t exactly leading to a sober, hard-headed understanding of the Middle East.

    Some non-PC avenues may lead to wisdom but most just lead to greater delusion.

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    BL was once asked as to what kind of a Jew he was and to that he had replied: Twice a year Jew, meaning he attended shul on the Passover and Yom Kippur. But nonetheless, he was a Jew and he loved his people and it should not come as surprise to anyone that he used his mastery of words to distort what Said had to say to secure the ancestral Jewish homeland for his peeps... But why are you, most likely a Hindu, talking about this at a time when Tibet is being raped by the godless Chinese, quo vadis?
  61. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    “Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)”

    That sounds like a lot to me. If only a small fraction of these children are very smart, they could swamp the very small number of admissions spots at our top universities. The pie us only so big, contrary to how we’re often told that the pie can always be made bigger so that there can be more opportunities for everyone. It’s just not true.

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  62. mukat says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    At the UG level this is true. At the grad level, as Steve must have written somewhere before, the universities sell foreigners US job prospects in return for slave labor.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Aren't there plenty of Americans who would gladly sign up for such slave labor?
  63. Jason Liu says:

    Regardless, the Dalai Lama is too much of a liberal, or at the very least has become an icon for white liberals. He should be shut down for that reason alone. The rhetoric used is not important.

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    If anything ought to be shutdown in the world, it should be China! What do the Han Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama, have to do with Tibetans? You're raping their land, lives and culture just like the Japanese did to you... Have you no shame, man?
  64. El Dato says:
    @Lot
    Harvest time is months away, but crops are already rotting in the fields due to lack of illegal labor and guest workers

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-14/trump-s-immigration-crackdown-triggers-anxiety-across-u-s-farms

    How is it possible that crops rot when harvest time is months away?

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    • Replies: @CK
    It is a NYT capability to live in the worst possible future and today simultaneously.
    The crops are always rotting in the fields, the code is always rotting on the hard drives.
  65. Tipsy says:

    Folks:

    This is all coordinated from Beijing. My office mate from Berkeley told me a story of a fellow graduate student from China who received a e-mail from the consular office in San Francisco instructing her to protest the Dalai Lama when he came to town. She, dutifully, went to what was a pretty nasty demonstration.

    In other words, Beijing is exploiting our freedoms for its policy goals. Nice.

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    Astroturf protests and other actions by Chinese students in the West been going on for decades - see post above.

    Many Chinese students are required to sign an "indenture" with the Chinese "Stasi" before they are allowed to study abroad.

  66. tcjfs says: • Website
    @reiner Tor
    The expression "politically correct" originated in Soviet Russia in the 1920s, and meant any opinion approved by the bolshevik party. In the USSR it fell into disuse later on, but was adopted by the Chinese communists, who used it extensively in the 1960s during the cultural revolution. This is whence 1960s counter-culture types took it, but it only became widespread in the 1980s. Its meaning is essentially still unchanged: it still means anything approved by the official far-left propaganda outlets.

    Actually the phrase “politically correct” is as American as apple pie.

    It is first used by James Wilson in his opinion for Chisholm v. Georgia, as a rebuke to “state’s rights.” (Sound familiar?)

    In the United states, and in the several states, which compose the Union, we go not so far, but still we go one step farther than we ought to go in this unnatural and inverted order of things. The states, rather than the people, for whose sakes the states exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention. This, I believe, has produced much of the confusion and perplexity which have appeared in several proceedings and several publications on state politics, and on the politics, too, of the United states. Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language. Is a toast asked? ‘The United states,’ instead of the ‘People of the United states,’ is the toast given. This is not politically correct. The toast is meant to present to view the first great object in the Union: it presents only the second. It presents only the artificial person, instead of the natural persons who spoke it into existence. A state I cheerfully fully admit, is the noblest work of Man. But, Man himself, free and honest, is, I speak as to this world, the noblest work of God.

    There’s nothing new under the American sun.

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  67. BenKenobi says:
    @snorlax
    Imagine the complete contempt the Chinese students must feel for white liberals. Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.

    I’m sure it’s similar to the contempt we feel for White liberals.

    “Stupid round-eye you give your country away!”

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  68. Lugash says:
    @Yan Shen
    Actually far more Americans are against the influx of foreign students than you give credit for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCr3mSwEXM4

    Even the Young Turks argue that US colleges should obviously give preferences to American citizens ahead of foreigners. The bottom line is that money talks. It doesn't really have that much to do with PC, so I would argue not a case like HBD where a minority viewpoint is getting shut down due to political correctness. Most people realize that as exemplified by institutions such as college athletics, where there's money there's bound to be corruption in our college system.

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn't seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)

    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China’s government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to ‘visit family’ whenever they want.

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    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    So, here is a way to get rid of Birth-right citizenship.

    Just point out the the current enemy-du-jour, Russia (with China soon becoming that) can (and does) use birth tourism to create home-grown spies.
    , @Bill P

    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China’s government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to ‘visit family’ whenever they want.
     
    Birth tourism is definitely government-sponsored in China in many cases. It's handled by the Waijiaobu (Chinese version of the State Department). I don't know all the specifics, but they can provide (i.e. forge) the documents necessary for a visa to the US. Also, children of party members are way overrepresented among Chinese foreign students in the US. China has an enormous amount of leverage over the US through this. Take the recent denial of Trump's visa ban for example. Washington state argued that it would impact Washington universities because they rely on foreign students, so judge Robart dutifully ended the visa ban.

    The elite that sold us out to China is not about to let their lucrative relationship with the PRC end any time soon.
  69. Jason Liu says:
    @eD
    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model."

    Steve and lots of commentators on this site write a great deal about "political correctness"/ "cultural marxism" (what do the proponents of this call it? PC was originally a critical term, like cultural marxism. Do the people favoring this call it something?), but this is the first comment I've seen in awhile to attempt to come to grips about where this came from.

    My theory is that it was created by intelligence/ security agencies in capitalist countries, who infiltrated left wing organizations and got them to espouse nonsense. There are lots of problems with old style, economic marxism but its not outright crazy like its cultural cousin. But I can't figure out why corporations, universities, some churches, and now the military in capitalist countries started pushing it. It could be some means of control or brainwashing I can't understand.

    “Cultural Marxism” is just too vague a descriptor, and almost sounds conspiracy like. It’s not a good designation of the enemy. Marxism, whatever form it takes, suffers from the same founding flaw: The assumption that people are or should be equals. So instead of protesting Cultural Marxism, it would be clearer to just protest Equality.

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    • Replies: @guest
    If it was a conspiracy, it was an open one. Anyone who thinks it sounds too vague and secret conspiracy-like I'm afraid is probably just ignorant on the subject. Look at what the original cultural Marxists, of the Frankfurt School and elsewhere, said. They came out and admitted all of it. They were remarkably honest, and ridiculously influential.
  70. El Dato says:
    @eD
    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model."

    Steve and lots of commentators on this site write a great deal about "political correctness"/ "cultural marxism" (what do the proponents of this call it? PC was originally a critical term, like cultural marxism. Do the people favoring this call it something?), but this is the first comment I've seen in awhile to attempt to come to grips about where this came from.

    My theory is that it was created by intelligence/ security agencies in capitalist countries, who infiltrated left wing organizations and got them to espouse nonsense. There are lots of problems with old style, economic marxism but its not outright crazy like its cultural cousin. But I can't figure out why corporations, universities, some churches, and now the military in capitalist countries started pushing it. It could be some means of control or brainwashing I can't understand.

    This assumes that someone is in control.

    Memes (in the old sense of “ideas” not in the new sense of “text-adorned pictures on the Internet) have a tendency to mutate and take on lives of their own.

    Consider the unforseeable consequence of the German’s High Command’s decision to ship Lenin into the Russian Empire. A Last Stand At Berlin Bunker about 40 years later. What a surprise.

    People may yet come to rue indulging Saudi Arabia or feeding ISIS raw meat for “regime change” purposes.

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  71. @Lugash

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)
     
    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China's government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to 'visit family' whenever they want.

    So, here is a way to get rid of Birth-right citizenship.

    Just point out the the current enemy-du-jour, Russia (with China soon becoming that) can (and does) use birth tourism to create home-grown spies.

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  72. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    The Chinese like spending lots of money. The Chinese students in Boston all drive $100k+ sports cars.

    As I walked through the Back Bay yesterday, I was passed by a young Chinese guy driving a $200,000 Bentley.

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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4231032/Fascinating-maps-reveal-scale-countries-worldwide.html

    UK Daily Mail: Did YOU know that Africa is three times larger than China? Fascinating maps reveal the true scale of countries and continents worldwide

    -Mercator projection used in 2D maps misrepresents countries near the equator
    -Expedia has shown the true scale of countries that look distorted on 2D maps
    -Shocking comparisons shed new light on which landmasses are actually largest

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Maps and globes are shocking now? Are these people that stupid or was that a joke?
    , @scrivener3
    In Boston at Mary Baker Eddy Library they have a three story globe map that you can walk inside:

    The Mapparium is a three-story-tall globe made of stained glass that is viewed from a 30-foot-long bridge through its interior

    You can see the distortions of flat map projections. Africa is huge
  74. Lugash says:

    OT:

    An idea for Trump to get back at the Deep State and tie liberals in knots: start up prosecutions for torture. He should gin up a meeting with McCain on the issue, then claim he had a change of heart. Would Sessions and Comey go for it? Evidence is available, Jose Rodriguez bragged on 60 Minutes about destroying evidence.

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  75. CK says:
    @El Dato
    How is it possible that crops rot when harvest time is months away?

    It is a NYT capability to live in the worst possible future and today simultaneously.
    The crops are always rotting in the fields, the code is always rotting on the hard drives.

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  76. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    During peak Merkel Madness, (late 2015), when the Germans imbecilicly let in something like 50,000 fraudsters into a Germany a day, (to live permanently off German welfare, whilst inviting over entire clans to do the same in the future), his Holiness the Dalai Lama was one of the very very few respected public figures to openly state the supremacy of the principle that the ancient homeland of the Germans to remain German.

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  77. Farenheit says:
    @J
    I wonder what is doing to young American Whites to study today in the UCSD. They must be lonely, depressed and discouraged.

    Yo J..it’s not just UCSD, it’s basically every high school in the Bay Area as well. I white boy in high school is a stranger in a strange strange land..

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  78. Hatespeech trigger warning: All California university students please stop reading now!

    Let’s ask Marx’s friend and collaborator, Friedrich Engels, about diversity:

    “Among all the large and small nations of Austria, only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and still retain their vitality — the Germans, the Poles, and the Magyars…all the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary Weltsturm…The Austrian Germans and Magyars will be set free and wreak a bloody revenge on the Slav barbarians. The general war which will then break out will smash this Slav Sonderbund and wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.” – The Magyar Struggle, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 1849

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels

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    • Replies: @Romanian
    My own countrymen were referenced by Engels in his writings. We were a particularly reactionary and counterrevolutionary people and our destruction was assured. This caused obvious problems during our Communist period when Marx and Engels were intensely studied and referenced. Maybe it lay behind the use of nationalism to detach us from Moscow. Or maybe it was Engels' prophecy coming true. He was sort of right, when you consider some of our difficulties with legitimate advances. I guess it's like that sickle cell adaptation to malaria. We might not become Sweden anytime soon, but at least we won't commit suicide like they have.
  79. Boomstick says:

    Steve is as usual living about two weeks in the future. Color revolution envy:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/16/twitter-ceo-compares-us-mood-to-arab-spring/

    “A lot of the same patterns we’ve seen during the Iranian Green Revolution and the Arab Spring,” Dorsey said Wednesday at a tech conference hosted by Goldman Sachs, according to Fortune. “It was stunning to see how Twitter was being used to have a conversation about the government, with the government.”

    Dorsey recounted the first time he got the impression that Twitter was so integral to American society: the protests and riots in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014.

    Why do they keep talking about the Arab Spring and Ferguson like they were good things?

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  80. iffen says:
    @NeonBets
    Because diversity is so important in sports....

    Jay Kang wrote this article: 'Should Athletes Stick to Sports?" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/magazine/should-athletes-stick-to-sports.html?_r=0

    My answer: Yes.

    Past that, I am curious--is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake? Sports, music, books, etc....Do they enjoy anything anymore on its own--without injecting politics?

    is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake?

    Politics

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake?

    Politics
     
    Only if they're winning. Don't take defeat well.

    I know of someone who refused a dinner invitation from some old friends because the friends voted 'Leave' in the EU referendum. Sad!
  81. TheJester says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    Yes … yes …yes! The theoretical architecture of Economic Marxism and Cultural Marxism are the same except for who are identified as the Evil Ones to justify looting them of their wealth. Marx thought the Evil Ones were the bourgeois class. Colonial Marxists of the 1960s declared they were the European colonists. With globalization, the migrating Third World minorities and their allies are declaring that the Evil Ones are White Males from First World countries.

    Indeed, the Economic Marxism and Cultural Marxism are so close in their architecture that it would make sense to call Hussein Obama and his fellow travelers “Communists” since both envision a massive, forced, communal transfer of wealth from the guilty “haves” to the exploited “have nots”. Reparations for oppression, exploitation, and all that. The only difference is that this time, the Communists don’t want to prematurely “kill the Golden goose” of capitalism. Better to selectively confiscate the wealth it produces to create a comprehensive social welfare state that they control.

    Both versions of Marxism recognize that the Evil Ones will not go quietly into the night. So, an authoritarian, fascist social order is in order that empowers the state to control all aspects of public and private life — government, business, academia, agriculture, military, etc. — to disempower and silence the Evil Ones.

    The Jewish neocons are not the only people who owe their inspiration to Marx and Trotsky. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and the European socialists also find their inspiration in Marx and Trotsky.

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  82. biz says:
    @John K.
    Forgot to add one last comment that came to mind which isn't really related to the subject, but whatever...


    A Soviet female veteran who fought the Nazis as a partisan for years, risking the usual gang rape+quick bullet to the head combo if captured, would probably be quite amused at the notion of modern "feminists" in the Western media calling themselves "The Resistance"... for debating the various nefarious means the patriarchy (and remember-it is the WHITE male patriarchy, regardless of the statistics of which cultures treat women better) has of subverting their well-paid asses. Matter of fact, you could probably say the same for today's Kurdish female fighters kicking the ass of ISIS goons who want to take them as sex slaves, or Somali women fleeing genital mutilation, or Pakistani women risking having acid thrown into their face for learning how to read. That's real feminism. That is something to be heartily approved of and supported.

    Maybe this meme sums it up better:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXtnslFWcAAftSQ.jpg

    Could not agree more and great meme!

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  83. @reiner Tor
    The expression "politically correct" originated in Soviet Russia in the 1920s, and meant any opinion approved by the bolshevik party. In the USSR it fell into disuse later on, but was adopted by the Chinese communists, who used it extensively in the 1960s during the cultural revolution. This is whence 1960s counter-culture types took it, but it only became widespread in the 1980s. Its meaning is essentially still unchanged: it still means anything approved by the official far-left propaganda outlets.

    Although the term politically correct may have been used sporadically in the past, its continuous use dates from Soviet Russia from at least the early 1920s. POLITICHESKAYA PRAVIL’NOST’ was originally translated as ideologically correct, that is words, ideas and practices consistent with Marxism-Leninism, which is where I encountered it in the 1970s.
    With the rise of the New Left, politically correct indicates words, ideas and practices consistent with the views of the New Left.
    For the ground-breaking study of this subject, see Frank Ellis, ” Political Correctness and the Theoretical Struggle, from Lenin and Mao to Marcuse and Foucault ” ( Maxim Institute, Auckland, 2004 )
    If you can obtain a copy of this short but important work, I advise you to get it.
    Dr Ellis calls the New Left Neo-Marxists, which is much more apt than calling them Cultural Marxists. Dr Ellis makes the point well when he writes that traditional Marxists wanted to control the means of production – the economy – whereas Neo-Marxists want to control the means of expression – the dictionary.

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  84. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Steve, one thing that’s been bothering me greatly is that you continue to refer to Isaac Newton as a Puritan! You’ve made this mistake in many comments and articles, such as in slatestarcodex. Issac Newton was not a puritan in any sense whatsoever, he was born into an orthodox Anglican family and became a believer in a non-trinatarian God, he believed that to worship Christ was idolatory. So essentially he was either an Arian or a Deist, depending on who you believe. Do you aprove the comments here.

    To summarize, Newton was an Anglican by birth and family, and an Arian or Deist by choice.

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  85. Bill P says:
    @Lugash

    Chinese birth tourism, while it obviously sucks on principle, doesn’t seem to be as overwhelming a problem as people sometimes make it out to be. IIRC the most recent numbers I read were that there were ~60,000 or so such births in 2014. (Now one could argue whether or not that in fact is overwhelming.)
     
    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China's government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to 'visit family' whenever they want.

    No, birth tourists are a serious problem. They give China’s government the ability to prep their intelligence agents for two decades, then drop them into the United States with the cover of American citizenship. Plus the ability to travel back to the mainland to ‘visit family’ whenever they want.

    Birth tourism is definitely government-sponsored in China in many cases. It’s handled by the Waijiaobu (Chinese version of the State Department). I don’t know all the specifics, but they can provide (i.e. forge) the documents necessary for a visa to the US. Also, children of party members are way overrepresented among Chinese foreign students in the US. China has an enormous amount of leverage over the US through this. Take the recent denial of Trump’s visa ban for example. Washington state argued that it would impact Washington universities because they rely on foreign students, so judge Robart dutifully ended the visa ban.

    The elite that sold us out to China is not about to let their lucrative relationship with the PRC end any time soon.

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  86. Bill B. says:

    OT l’Académie française condemns Paris’s newly adopted Olympic slogan. Nicely snooty second paragraph.

    “Le comité de candidature de la ville de Paris pour les Jeux olympiques de 2024 a retenu comme slogan « Made for sharing ». Il a été dévoilé le vendredi 3 février lors d’une projection géante sur la tour Eiffel.

    Ce slogan a déjà été utilisé lors de campagnes publicitaires pour les bonbons de la marque Quality Street, les biscuits « Cadbury Snaps » et les pizzas à découper de la chaîne Burger King.

    Or les Jeux olympiques modernes ont été fondés en 1894 par le baron Pierre de Coubertin…”

    The committee goes on to complain the slogan should not be in English.

    http://www.academie-francaise.fr/actualites/communique-sur-le-slogan-retenu-par-le-comite-de-candidature-de-la-ville-de-paris-aux

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  87. Langley says:

    Who? Whom?

    http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db_330510/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=6OXMIFHF

    Congresswoman Tulsa Gabbard is being criticized by Muslims for meeting with Muslim Assad.

    The establishment Democrats have turned against the rebel Democrat.

    Her base of support in Hawaii is not the establishment Japanese but a splinter faction of Krishna Devotie’s.

    Or perhaps, Muslims are higher on the diversity totem pole than Hindus.

    Tibetans may be more exotic but Chinese have more power.

    Krishnas are more exotic but Japanese in Hawaii and Muslims in America have more power.

    Welcome to your future

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  88. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Evolution chooses the living creature best suited for the environment. People always use the word "evolve" to mean progress or, more often, that someone's opinion has moved closer to their own. Not the case.

    Whites aren't very well suited for the current environment, which, ironically, they mostly created. Excessive altruism is a world of mass media and easy transportation doesn't seem to be a great trait.

    If whites survive this time period, they will be a very different breed, much more clannish. The future of whites very well may depend on Eastern Europeans and our own Scotch-Irish, which is ironic given that NW Europeans always looked down on those groups.

    The Scots Irish are the least racially clannish of all the Whites.

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    • Replies: @Bill P
    True. They don't hold a candle to the Dutch in that regard. I think the proof of this is that they are the people most likely to describe themselves simply as "American." In fact, self-reported American ethnicity may be the most accurate method for discerning a region's Scots Irish population.
  89. @snorlax
    Imagine the complete contempt the Chinese students must feel for white liberals. Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.

    Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.

    You wouldn’t know what they were saying. Mandarin-speakers can’t understand Shanghainese.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Nor can flies understand Shanghainese.

    Prolly easier to just hack their iPhones.


    ;-}

    , @Daniel Chieh
    We don't always speak Shanghainese though, Mandarin is pretty widely spoken in general. The contempt for the "white left" is well known.
  90. @mukat
    At the UG level this is true. At the grad level, as Steve must have written somewhere before, the universities sell foreigners US job prospects in return for slave labor.

    Aren’t there plenty of Americans who would gladly sign up for such slave labor?

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  91. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    It's amusing to see the earlier cartoons of Theodor Seuss Geisel. You'll get a lot more "diversity" than you bargained for. Check out

    www.weekendcollective.com/when-dr-seuss-was-super-racist/

    Dr. Suess was not only a great children’s book author and illustrator, but many people don’t know that he was very prescient back then wrt the coming dieversity. He could foresee different cultures, some that didn’t amount to much, your Nooks, Zans, Gox’s, Yings, Yinks and Yops. On the other hand he foresaw our brethren from the Middle East, as this quote demonstrates:

    (Verbatim from Green Eggs and Ham, children’s version, Chapter 1, verse 1 pps 42, 43, and 46:)

    “Could you, would you, with a goat?”

    “I could not, would not, with a goat.”

    “I will not, will not, with a goat”.

    Now, listen, we all know what the good Doc is talking about here – let’s not beat around the bush. It sounds like the protagonist of this allegory has at least assimilated to Western culture, but the reader is left to speculate about Sam-I-Am.

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  92. @snorlax
    I get the impression that Asians are even more concerned than whites at not offending anyone, if that's possible. Like, if there were Americans at a Japanese university, and they said they'd be offended if the commencement speech didn't start and end with "Hail Big Mac!," then Hairy Big Mac it would be. Hence the “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” trope mentioned in the article.

    Of course they get around this by simply not letting in new minorities, and encouraging existing ones to assimilate with lots of passive-aggression (microaggressions?) that don't rise to the level of offense.

    I suppose it all makes sense if societal harmony is understood as exactly that. There’s a lot of room for “niceness” but there also the entire “save yourself the trouble” by excluding people who wouldn’t fit in anyway.

    But Confucianism, which still prevails a lot in thinking, is basically the notion that there’s a “societal grammar” where all long term residents eventually come to know their role in. The comfort and harmony comes from being able know what is expected from, and what to expect from others. It can work very well, and excessive cordiality can be extended to guests.

    But if anyone to integrate, of course, they need to eventually “learn the grammar” and fit in.

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  93. @John Derbyshire

    Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.
     
    You wouldn't know what they were saying. Mandarin-speakers can't understand Shanghainese.

    Nor can flies understand Shanghainese.

    Prolly easier to just hack their iPhones.

    ;-}

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  94. @John Derbyshire

    Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.
     
    You wouldn't know what they were saying. Mandarin-speakers can't understand Shanghainese.

    We don’t always speak Shanghainese though, Mandarin is pretty widely spoken in general. The contempt for the “white left” is well known.

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  95. Clyde says:

    What? Only 20% of UCSD undergrads identify as white?

    That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese. My bet is 15% of USC student body was born in Mainland Commie China. That another 7% were born here but from immigrants from Mainland China.
    So you have a large bloc of students with close ties to Communist China. We are being cucked into educating China’s youth. Not to mention the youth of Mexico and Central America.

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese.

    No way 1/3 of the Asian pop. at the UCSD is Indian. I guess that 95% are Chinese.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Per an earlier comment of mine, the joke's on them. I don't think they're getting much of an education anymore, even in engineering, unless the "education" is all the PC nonsense from all around the university. In that case, take their money, run them through for 4 years, and send 'em back to screw-up China.

    They could start Cultural Revolution 2.0 - not your father's C.R., but a newer, edgy Cultural Revolution, an iRevolution, if you will. Instead of a farm in Qiqihar, Manchuria to slop pigs, you'll be sent to a cave in Yunnan to write internet comments. Instead of making big-character posters and kicking the shit out of your parents, you'll be forced to build an island made out of shipping containers out in the S. China Sea, and your parents and grandparents, if they are landlords (that means everyone) will be forced to eat entire meals without any rice and using a fork and knife, and made to throw their paper towels into the trash can. Instead of a little Red Book, all the Han people will read www.unz.com Spitting onto the sidewalk will be outlawed with harsh penalties. Join for the hygiene lesson, stay for the camaraderie.

  96. @Connecticut Famer
    Yeah, Clinton "praised the US military" all right. The same US military within which he refused to serve back in his student days. Whatever one may think of old man Bush he experienced war firsthand as a young Army - Air Force pilot in WW II. None of his four successors (including Junior) could make that claim.

    I believe that George Herbert Walker Bush was a U.S. Navy pilot. He flew an Avenger torpedo bomber and was shot down over Chi Chi Jima. In fairness, George W. Bush flew an F-102 in the Texas Air National Guard–not inherently an easy aircraft to fly.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I've never talked to a single USAF vet with Deuce time that didn't think she was a delightful airplane to fly once the initial bugs were resolved.

    IIRC Jack Broughton said that if he could have a fighter as a personal toy he'd sooner have a 102 than anything else.

    Although there are a couple of F-100s and several F-104s on the US civil register, we will likely never see a 102 fly again. A sad thing. If I had the money, and could get a restorable airframe I'd do it.

    Although like all deltas she has a wicked backside of the power curve, she has a light wing loading and the reliable and still somewhat supported J-57/JT3D engine.
  97. artichoke says:

    They’re just doing what works for minorities who want to push their grievances. Worked for blacks and hispanics, surely some actually competent Chinese should be able to squeeze out some juice with “diversity and inclusion”.

    But Dalai Lama is actually using a spiritual cover as protection to attack the Chinese regime, so I can see why they wouldn’t want him at a school with a lot of students from China. It was a bad choice by UCSD.

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    Because it's America, not China. I guess that didn't occur to you did it HURR DURR

    In America we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. So go back to China if you don't like it.

    The Dalai Lama is trying to attack China. Ha, that's a good one. More like they just want to be left the hell alone by the jingoistic Chinese who have nothing in common with them linguistically, geographically, culturally, or religiously.
  98. @Peter Akuleyev
    Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao’s red book!

    What nonsense. For all of Mao's and Stalin's many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity. Celebration of ethnic diversity is a complete heresy in the eyes of a committed Marxist because it distracts from the class struggle, which is supposedly the only struggle that counts. Both Mao and Stalin considered that Mankind's goal was to create a technologically advanced, educated society based around a canon of great works and noble historic figures, with no tolerance for deviant sexual behavior, superstition, "feudal traditions" or any sort of 3rd world romanticism. Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I'm guessing the rationale is - "Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff".

    But love the Patton quote, btw.

    For all of Mao’s and Stalin’s many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity.

    Arguably true if you read between the lines. If you go by overt statements, Mao strongly favored left-wing style diversity. The early PRC established the vast array of officially “ethnic autonomous” government entities. They also underwent an extensive program of categorising all citizens by ethnic group (producing the famous-to-Chinese-people list of 56 official ethnic groups of China) for the express purpose of making quotas for their inclusion in the government. These quotas are still in place today – for everything except the really important positions, of course.

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    Stalin was roughly Chief Diversity Officer for Lenin in the early pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He pushed ethnic folk dancing.
  99. artichoke says:
    @snorlax
    Imagine the complete contempt the Chinese students must feel for white liberals. Oh, to be a Mandarin-speaking fly on the wall at the UCSD Shanghai Students organization.

    They’re just using “diversity and inclusion” bs because it seems to work, and they really hate the idea of anti-China Dalai Lama speaking at their graduation.

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  100. guest says:
    @Jason Liu
    "Cultural Marxism" is just too vague a descriptor, and almost sounds conspiracy like. It's not a good designation of the enemy. Marxism, whatever form it takes, suffers from the same founding flaw: The assumption that people are or should be equals. So instead of protesting Cultural Marxism, it would be clearer to just protest Equality.

    If it was a conspiracy, it was an open one. Anyone who thinks it sounds too vague and secret conspiracy-like I’m afraid is probably just ignorant on the subject. Look at what the original cultural Marxists, of the Frankfurt School and elsewhere, said. They came out and admitted all of it. They were remarkably honest, and ridiculously influential.

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    The vast majority of people are not going to look up what cultural Marxism means, let alone read the works of Frankfurt School. Keep using such a vague term and remain fringe forever.
  101. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    ‘Inclusion’ is the dumbest term ever.

    It’s just euphemism for invasion and/or displacement.

    After all, any people can intrude into or invade any land in the name of ‘inclusion’. “Hey, include me and all my relatives!!!”

    The end logic of inclusion is this: The Stateroom of Liberty

    No system would work on basis of universal inclusion. All systems have selective inclusion-mechanisms and must exclude certain peoples or things.
    After all, what would Judaism be if it included everyone? What would Hinduism be?
    What would communism be if it included Ayn-Randians into the party? What would libertarianism be if it included Stalinists?

    Or take cooking. Every recipe includes some ingredients and excludes others. So, any formula or system must be only selectively inclusive and exclude those that mess up the formula. Imagine an all-inclusive pizza that says YES to every ingredient. So, it’d be a pizza made up not only of mozzarella cheese, mushrooms, crushed tomatoes, and flour but of tuna, green beans, oreo cookies, ice cream, pretzels, sauer kraut, brussel sprouts, curry, mangoes, chicken feet, etc.
    I don’t want no Lazarus special when I order pizza. Please hold the huddled wretched toppings.

    Every system or order has a formula, a meaning, a history, and destiny. To maintain the heritage and history, it has to main a certain demographic and cultural equilibrium. If Tibet wants to be remain Tibetan in historical and cultural sense, it has to be majority Tibetan. It must exclude excessive numbers of non-Tibetans. Of course, a formula of a nation can be improved, but the trick is to take new or foreign ideas that may be useful, not foreign peoples. When too many foreigners arrive, it will fundamentally change the formula.

    To be sure, since humans are organisms that seek comfort, security, and pleasure above all, plenty of humans are willing to give up identity and heritage for a better material life, and plenty of Tibetans have been won over by Han Chinese infusion of cash and investment in Tibet. Tibetans, as individuals, feel freer and more ‘convenient’ under Han Chinese modernization model than under Tibetan Traditionalism which was pretty repressive. Han Chinese used to be repressive under Maoism, but they are now ‘anything for a buck’. In this sense, China too is becoming ‘Americanized’. Even though modernity can be alienating and atomizing, it can also feel liberating. Just like people fled from communism, they flee from traditionalism.

    America used to have ethnic communities. When immigrants first arrived, they often settled in farming communities with similar folks. Lots of Swedes settled in Minnesota in close proximity to one another. (Rural areas tend to be more traditional because of the consistency of land and demography over time. Urban demographics change much faster. It’s like St. Paul is rapidly filling up with Somalis but outlying rural areas of Minnesota are still heavily Swedish.) And even in cities, there used to be ethnic blocks. Italian village, Polish town, Jewish neighborhood, and etc. In time, a certain area became identified with a certain ethnic group. Like Greek town or Chinatown. It became like the Old World with deeply rooted nations.
    BUT, such geographical identification didn’t last long. Eventually, many people in the cities left for the suburbs where things were quieter and nicer but bland and generic. Or, if successful, they moved to downtown areas where the main identity was class & status than ethnicity(though Jews were an exception since so many happened to be successful, in which case wealth became a kind of Jewish identity). A crowded Greek town may not have been pleasant, but it was very Greek in sound and flavor. Same with Italian town, like we see in THE GODFATHER. Even though some suburbs did have ethnic flavor by drawing certain ethnic groups, most tended to become homogenized according to what might be called Americana. As the ethnic-neighborhoods emptied of their original residents, they were taken over by other peoples. So, what we see happening in Europe is a playing out of what happened in the US on a much bigger scale. What I found surreal about many areas of American cities was the sheer discrepancy between the architecture & cultural motifs AND its current inhabitants. So, a community might have hallmarks of German culture, but it’d be filled with urban Negroes who don’t care about anything but rap. An area might have what looks like an Ukrainian orthodox church except it’s now filled with Mexicans or Chinese.
    Because of shallow roots in America, no one much cared if an ethnic territory was ceded to another people. Though it is kind of sad to see, say, a Lithuanian-American community be taken over a bunch of Hindus, Americans were always on the move, with people seeking new jobs and residences all over the vast nation.

    But when this happens to Europe with deeply rooted histories, it is tragic. It’s one thing for a once Lithuanian neighborhood in an American city to go over to Mexicans or Arabs. But imagine if Lithuania itself went over to a bunch of Muslims or Africans(or even Russians). That is not okay, but that is what this INCLUSION project is all about.

    Btw, if non-whites want to be included into white nations and don’t want to be part of their own nations, what does this mean? It is ‘white supremacist’ despite the PC rhetoric of ‘white evil’. Non-whites want to leech off whiteness cuz they see it as better in everything. Indeed, they ever prefer to be servants in a white nation than masters in their own nation.

    Some non-whites are willing to give up good professional jobs in their own nations to take menial jobs in the West. They worship the white man that much.
    To an extent, all this anti-white PC crap is political therapy to assuage the sense of inferiority among non-whites who are drawn to the white world as preferable to their own. They justify their immigration patterns on the basis of ‘equality’ and ‘inclusion’, but if they really believe in equality, why don’t they try to transform and build their own nations into modern economies? If they are just as good as whites, they should be able to do just as much among their own kind.

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  102. Daniel H says:

    >>Chinese students are joining their peers on American campuses in getting woke.

    In the old days the NY Times, at least, adhered to good standards as regards syntax and style. What, Carlos Slim sent word down that copy editors are an extravagance that he won’t fund furthermore?

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  103. @Connecticut Famer
    Yeah, Clinton "praised the US military" all right. The same US military within which he refused to serve back in his student days. Whatever one may think of old man Bush he experienced war firsthand as a young Army - Air Force pilot in WW II. None of his four successors (including Junior) could make that claim.

    Bush was not in the Army Air Corps, he was a Naval Aviator. He was commissioned 3 days before his 19th birthday, making him the youngest naval aviator ever, at that time

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  104. ussr andy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Akuleyev, I will defer to what Mr. Tor said about the PC business - the term "politically correct" was from the Red Chinese, but that's not saying the PC terms then were as close to peak stupid as the stuff you hear in this country.

    Note, I did not include "diversity" as coming from Mao's book - just PC. I was saying that both of those terms would be in the "communists" bylaws of OUR country. To me, the "cultural marxists" or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War. A slow advance through the media, universities, and government (last) worked better than taking over Eastern Europe, basing a huge quantity of tanks there, working with the Red Chinese, placing missiles in Cuber, increasing the missile gap, and banging shoes on the podium during speeches. Who knew?

    The external plan did not have a section for dealing with a Ronald Reagan (along with millions of American mechanical/electrical engineers and all the soldiers, Sailers (sic) and airmen). The same Ronnie stopped the internal plan for a time in California, but he was just one man, and the long-haired smelly hippies were multitudinous.

    I totally agree that dieversity was not anything thought about by the Soviet Commies or the Red Chinese version, or any other in the Cold War days. It's a fairly recent destructive strategy. I'm sure someone got a big medal with multiple ribbons for that one.

    To me, the “cultural marxists” or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War.

    this is… stupid. Moreso as “the internal troops” became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.

    unless that, too, was a plan… Russians dial PC up to 11, Americans get fed-up and elect the Russians’ guy to the Whitehouse. Whoa….

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    to be clear, I "get" the CultMarx meme... Technocracy, disdain for the folkways, egalitarianism coupled (paradoxically) with vanguardism/elitism, both are heavily (((subversive)))...

    But there's also something that I DON'T get. Marxism was, above all, an economic and political program of self-decolonization. That's why the whole 3rd world wanted it. And it at least tried to uplift workers. Remember how England got capitalism and wage labor and what that looked like.

    CultMarx, OTOH, is so openly and brazenly in the service of the capital, the have's, that whatever continuity there is with actual Marxism must surely seem accidental or like the program got changed along the way.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I never said it was a big plan, Andy. There are just a lot of people that think the same way. On the other hand, read about the Frankfort school. They had evil intentions, but they alone would not have any power to make the downfall of Western society happen as it has.

    Moreso as “the internal troops” became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.
     
    I don't get this part. Yes, the "internal troops" (and don't take everything so literally - I didn't mean it that way) would get more unhinged. Most of those people for 7 decades wanted the USSR to be successful to show that Communism works. Many tried to hide the story of the terrible conditions for the Russian people, and others were just fooling themselves. So, after the fall, they had 2 things going for them a) nobody worried about the commies anymore - the future looked very bright in 1989 and b) they were pretty infiltrated into the media, universities, and such; it was time for the cultural marxism (or whatever name you want to call it) to get ramped up to a new level of stupid.

    An interesting point here is that, during the Cold War era, there were two groups on far opposite sides that both wanted to show that the "Russkies" were strong a) the hard-left to prove that the whole "to each according to his means" crap was working hunky-dory and b) the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) to make sure we would keep building new and improved defense equipment for the big bucks.

    You should talk to older people, who were around then, to get more history on this - Pat Buchanan would be good. His columns appear here on unz, but I don't know if he responds to comments.
  105. @Greg Pandatshang

    For all of Mao’s and Stalin’s many many flaws neither of were in the slightest PC or pro-diversity.
     
    Arguably true if you read between the lines. If you go by overt statements, Mao strongly favored left-wing style diversity. The early PRC established the vast array of officially "ethnic autonomous" government entities. They also underwent an extensive program of categorising all citizens by ethnic group (producing the famous-to-Chinese-people list of 56 official ethnic groups of China) for the express purpose of making quotas for their inclusion in the government. These quotas are still in place today – for everything except the really important positions, of course.

    Stalin was roughly Chief Diversity Officer for Lenin in the early pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He pushed ethnic folk dancing.

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    If you were a Chechen, a Crimean Tatar, a Kalmyk, etc., you might have later on wished that Stalin had never learned that much about the Soviet Union's ethnic diversity ...

    Note that, despite endorsing the idea in the 30s before coming to power, by 1949, Mao decided to reject the Soviet model of ethnic socialist republics that on paper were so autonomous that they could unilaterally secede. Of course, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao all knew very well that what it says in the constitution ain't necessarily so, but, still, making such extravagant claims on paper had the potential to become an annoyance. Mao instead opted for what is on paper the Åland model.

    When I was teaching in China 10 years ago, my impression was the students (college undergrads) were used to a discourse that was anxious to talk about China's "minorities" (a word they employed frequently in English; the Chinese term is 少数民族 shǎoshù mínzú, lit. "few-number ethny") in the same terms that Americans talk about American minorities. I have to imagine that's because, the way we're used to looking at things, nobody thinks of minorities in America as groups that are entitled to national self-determination, whereas numerous ethnic groups in China could easily be construed as "nations". Obviously the former is preferable to the powers that be.
    , @Boomstick
    Stalin liked diversity so much he was always moving ethnic minorities to different places in the Soviet Union. That way Siberians could benefit from the ethnic diversity.
  106. Jason Liu says:
    @guest
    If it was a conspiracy, it was an open one. Anyone who thinks it sounds too vague and secret conspiracy-like I'm afraid is probably just ignorant on the subject. Look at what the original cultural Marxists, of the Frankfurt School and elsewhere, said. They came out and admitted all of it. They were remarkably honest, and ridiculously influential.

    The vast majority of people are not going to look up what cultural Marxism means, let alone read the works of Frankfurt School. Keep using such a vague term and remain fringe forever.

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    They don't have to look it up; they can take my word for it. It's not a vague term. It means exactly what it says: Marxism applied to culture. Or, rather, the cultural equivalent of Marxism.

    The phrase isn't useful for convincing Joe Lunchbox. But anyone with any intellectual attainment has heard of Marx, and fortunately Marxism still has bad connotations. So it's perfectly useful. The proof is in the pudding: see how academic and regular leftists complain about what they pretend is the nonexistent specter of CultMarx. If the term was innocuous they'd ignore it or be encouraging us to use it.

    For middle or low-brow audiences, I suggest a more direct approach, like simply calling SJWs and PC believers of all kinds "commies." Same way they call me "fascist," tit for tat.

  107. Olorin says:

    Okay, we didn’t actually think through the end game when we started this process. We just assumed that the mighty white man would always be dominant, so white could concede just a sliver of their right to the paltry numbers of minorities. But now you are telling me that in a globalized world, whites are a minority!

    End game?

    Certain popgen Narratives have no end. It’s just Struggle And Victimization Forever. And the victimest victims of ever always victims, no matter how much power, money, and terrain they control.

    “End game” is the thinking of Winter People and engineers and seafarers and such.

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  108. ussr andy says:
    @ussr andy

    To me, the “cultural marxists” or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War.
     
    this is... stupid. Moreso as "the internal troops" became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.

    unless that, too, was a plan... Russians dial PC up to 11, Americans get fed-up and elect the Russians' guy to the Whitehouse. Whoa....

    to be clear, I “get” the CultMarx meme… Technocracy, disdain for the folkways, egalitarianism coupled (paradoxically) with vanguardism/elitism, both are heavily (((subversive)))…

    But there’s also something that I DON’T get. Marxism was, above all, an economic and political program of self-decolonization. That’s why the whole 3rd world wanted it. And it at least tried to uplift workers. Remember how England got capitalism and wage labor and what that looked like.

    CultMarx, OTOH, is so openly and brazenly in the service of the capital, the have’s, that whatever continuity there is with actual Marxism must surely seem accidental or like the program got changed along the way.

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    • Replies: @guest
    You find the heart of Marxism in economic and political self-decolonization (whatever that means), as well as worker uplift. But why would an orthodox Marxist lift a finger to help the workers? Think about it. The worse their condition, the closer they are to overthrowing capitalism, the closer they are to a workers' paradise. It'd actually be cruel to ameliorate their suffering. They'd be better off suffering more.

    I have similar questions about your 3rd world liberation movements. They were generally not carried out by workers, because that part of the world lagged behind in industrialization by definition. Freeing them from colonization would retarded their economic development, which in turn would delay the eventual workers' paradise which could be theirs.

    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement. It originally was mostly economic in nature, focused on class division. Followers after the death of the founder pushed the focus beyond economics and politics-proper to things like the family, sex, race, and so forth. But they retained the central goal: the overthrow of the existing bourgeois order in the West. They were cultural and political revolutionaries more than economic revolutionaries, but still conspicuously Marxist.

    Cultural Marxism isn't like, say, Social Darwinism, which in the latter case is there in the original, plain as day, despite the denial of goodthinking contemporary Darwinists. You'd have to read into Marxism, and ignore a lot, to arrive at the conclusion of later, putative "Marxists." But it's undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

    The school was yuge, much bigger than any right-wing intellectual tradition could imagine past the Middle Ages. Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it's happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don't usually care.

    Plus, Actual Marx was contradictory enough to allow for opposite conclusions from his intellectual descendents. He wasn't doing science, as he claimed, and plenty of his writings are just fire-and-brimstone rants. Is he more abusing, or abused against in this sense? I don't know.

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity. Marcuse added Freud. We generally hold Marx at least a bit accountable for the former, why not the latter? Because, as I said, it's as a revolutionary movement that Marxism holds together.
  109. Eagle Eye says:

    About 10-15% of students from the PRC have signed up as agents for China’s “Stasi” with orders to report on fellow Chinese students and to take any other actions ordered by their masters.

    The other 85-90% of Chinese students are well aware of the presence of spies in their midst, and would not dream of uttering a word that could get them and their families in trouble back in China.

    Add to this at least 2 decades of brainwashing through Chinese schools, and you have a social climate where even the most innocuous criticism of China’s oppression of Tibet is avoided as it would risk instant and permanent ostracism.

    Of course, one should also be aware that Chinese criticism of traditional Tibetan society as feudal and corrupt is not entirely off the mark.

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  110. guest says:
    @Jason Liu
    The vast majority of people are not going to look up what cultural Marxism means, let alone read the works of Frankfurt School. Keep using such a vague term and remain fringe forever.

    They don’t have to look it up; they can take my word for it. It’s not a vague term. It means exactly what it says: Marxism applied to culture. Or, rather, the cultural equivalent of Marxism.

    The phrase isn’t useful for convincing Joe Lunchbox. But anyone with any intellectual attainment has heard of Marx, and fortunately Marxism still has bad connotations. So it’s perfectly useful. The proof is in the pudding: see how academic and regular leftists complain about what they pretend is the nonexistent specter of CultMarx. If the term was innocuous they’d ignore it or be encouraging us to use it.

    For middle or low-brow audiences, I suggest a more direct approach, like simply calling SJWs and PC believers of all kinds “commies.” Same way they call me “fascist,” tit for tat.

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  111. Eagle Eye says:
    @Tipsy
    Folks:

    This is all coordinated from Beijing. My office mate from Berkeley told me a story of a fellow graduate student from China who received a e-mail from the consular office in San Francisco instructing her to protest the Dalai Lama when he came to town. She, dutifully, went to what was a pretty nasty demonstration.

    In other words, Beijing is exploiting our freedoms for its policy goals. Nice.

    Astroturf protests and other actions by Chinese students in the West been going on for decades – see post above.

    Many Chinese students are required to sign an “indenture” with the Chinese “Stasi” before they are allowed to study abroad.

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    I used to work with a lot of Chinese back in the 80’s at Rutger’s U. Many came over with husband grad students. When the Tianamen Square even happened, the first reactions from them where -“Nazi” etc Within 48 hours they were all saying the government actions were correct and righteous. I wondered what kind of hold their government had on them,
  112. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Zuck’s latest blog post:

    Building Global Community
    Mark Zuckerberg · Thursday, February 16, 2017

    To our community,

    On our journey to connect the world, we often discuss products we’re building and updates on our business. Today I want to focus on the most important question of all: are we building the world we all want?

    History is the story of how we’ve learned to come together in ever greater numbers — from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to empower us to achieve things we couldn’t on our own.

    Today we are close to taking our next step. Our greatest opportunities are now global — like spreading prosperity and freedom, promoting peace and understanding, lifting people out of poverty, and accelerating science. Our greatest challenges also need global responses — like ending terrorism, fighting climate change, and preventing pandemics. Progress now requires humanity coming together not just as cities or nations, but also as a global community.

    This is especially important right now. Facebook stands for bringing us closer together and building a global community. When we began, this idea was not controversial. Every year, the world got more connected and this was seen as a positive trend. Yet now, across the world there are people left behind by globalization, and movements for withdrawing from global connection. There are questions about whether we can make a global community that works for everyone, and whether the path ahead is to connect more or reverse course.

    It goes on, but you get the idea. CTRL + F + “community” produces 81 results. The phrase “global community” is also amusing. Does a borderless world mean more social cohesion or less?

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  113. Veracitor says:

    Dear UCSD Shanghai Students Organization:

    Though your propaganda campaign against the planned visit of the bandit Tenzin Gyatso (sometimes styled His Holiness the Dalai Lama) to La Jolla is generally in accordance with instructions from Beijing, I must inform you that your recent English-language propaganda statement was missing a key element. After stating that all Chinese “will feel extremely offended and disrespected” if the University of California, San Diego administration permits His Holiness the Dalai Lama the bandit Tenzin Gyatso to accept the invitation of the students and faculty to speak at that American public university, you neglected to demand a “safe space” for Chinese students, faculty, staff, and families from which all views not promulgated by the Central Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party ( 中共中央宣传部 ) will be excluded.

    In American universities and colleges it is now customary for every politically-respectable group to demand, and to be provided by the school administration, a “safe space.” It would be an unbearable insult to the Chinese Government to deny Chinese people a “safe space” of their own, especially since American universities often diversify their safe spaces by merging them into a single campus-wide safe space (from which all improper thoughts are excluded on pain of personal expulsion or even condign punishment, quite in accordance with Chinese principles of disciplined harmony). The natural Chinese pride in “diversity and inclusiveness” so properly expressed in your statement requires that all deviant elements be excluded from the safe spaces which every American university provides. Do not fail to demand a “safe space” in any future communications with American university officials.

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  114. Njguy73 says:
    @J
    I wonder what is doing to young American Whites to study today in the UCSD. They must be lonely, depressed and discouraged.

    I wonder what is doing to young American Whites to study today in the UCSD.

    Hopefully, it’ll make them want to study hard enough so they can go out-of-state to college and get a job somewhere outside California, never to return.

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  115. anonguy says:
    @(((Owen)))
    It's just the latest incarnation of BDS. Mass immigration means the historic American people will be displaced and that always means subjugation.

    We're lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing. The Chinese and Moslems are not going to have mercy on us. The noose will tighten and tighten as long as we ignorantly welcome conquerors into what was once our nation.

    Hawaii is only about 25% white and it isn’t like the white people are oppressed there.

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  116. guest says:
    @ussr andy
    to be clear, I "get" the CultMarx meme... Technocracy, disdain for the folkways, egalitarianism coupled (paradoxically) with vanguardism/elitism, both are heavily (((subversive)))...

    But there's also something that I DON'T get. Marxism was, above all, an economic and political program of self-decolonization. That's why the whole 3rd world wanted it. And it at least tried to uplift workers. Remember how England got capitalism and wage labor and what that looked like.

    CultMarx, OTOH, is so openly and brazenly in the service of the capital, the have's, that whatever continuity there is with actual Marxism must surely seem accidental or like the program got changed along the way.

    You find the heart of Marxism in economic and political self-decolonization (whatever that means), as well as worker uplift. But why would an orthodox Marxist lift a finger to help the workers? Think about it. The worse their condition, the closer they are to overthrowing capitalism, the closer they are to a workers’ paradise. It’d actually be cruel to ameliorate their suffering. They’d be better off suffering more.

    I have similar questions about your 3rd world liberation movements. They were generally not carried out by workers, because that part of the world lagged behind in industrialization by definition. Freeing them from colonization would retarded their economic development, which in turn would delay the eventual workers’ paradise which could be theirs.

    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement. It originally was mostly economic in nature, focused on class division. Followers after the death of the founder pushed the focus beyond economics and politics-proper to things like the family, sex, race, and so forth. But they retained the central goal: the overthrow of the existing bourgeois order in the West. They were cultural and political revolutionaries more than economic revolutionaries, but still conspicuously Marxist.

    Cultural Marxism isn’t like, say, Social Darwinism, which in the latter case is there in the original, plain as day, despite the denial of goodthinking contemporary Darwinists. You’d have to read into Marxism, and ignore a lot, to arrive at the conclusion of later, putative “Marxists.” But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

    The school was yuge, much bigger than any right-wing intellectual tradition could imagine past the Middle Ages. Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.

    Plus, Actual Marx was contradictory enough to allow for opposite conclusions from his intellectual descendents. He wasn’t doing science, as he claimed, and plenty of his writings are just fire-and-brimstone rants. Is he more abusing, or abused against in this sense? I don’t know.

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity. Marcuse added Freud. We generally hold Marx at least a bit accountable for the former, why not the latter? Because, as I said, it’s as a revolutionary movement that Marxism holds together.

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    They’d be better off suffering more.
     
    that's called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just "workers' paradise" (which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor.) I'm thinking of "the singularity" etc.


    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

     

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it's modernity on steroids. And since there's just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it's also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I'm thinking of the Central Asian 'stans... Countries where the West indulged "reactionaries" (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much...


    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

     

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.


    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.
     
    It's willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don't think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It's the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.
     
    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It's good stuff.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "Cultural Marxism isn’t like, say, Social Darwinism"

    Maybe it's a tool of Social Darwinism, just not "our" Social Darwinism.
  117. grapesoda says:
    @artichoke
    They're just doing what works for minorities who want to push their grievances. Worked for blacks and hispanics, surely some actually competent Chinese should be able to squeeze out some juice with "diversity and inclusion".

    But Dalai Lama is actually using a spiritual cover as protection to attack the Chinese regime, so I can see why they wouldn't want him at a school with a lot of students from China. It was a bad choice by UCSD.

    Because it’s America, not China. I guess that didn’t occur to you did it HURR DURR

    In America we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. So go back to China if you don’t like it.

    The Dalai Lama is trying to attack China. Ha, that’s a good one. More like they just want to be left the hell alone by the jingoistic Chinese who have nothing in common with them linguistically, geographically, culturally, or religiously.

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  118. @Steve Sailer
    Full tuition at UCSD for out of state students is $40,300 per year. And very few foreigners get any "financial aid" (discount) off that $161k for four years.

    Nobody believes me, but American colleges discriminate like crazy in favor of American citizens and against foreigners in terms of discounting tuition rack rates. It's a big driving force behind Chinese Birth Tourism.

    I worry about whether I should point this out because the conventional wisdom has become so extremist against American citizens that if anybody noticed, colleges might announce they were going to discriminate against American families more in order to not be racist.

    Didn’t Barry the Kenyan get a deal at Harvard for being able to prove that he was a foreign Johnny?

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    Almost nobody knows this and I hesitate to spread it around, but the Financial Aid system is biased toward American citizens. When you fill out FAFSA, the question of your citizenship is a big deal. Maybe lots of foreigners lie in order to get "need-based aid" but the law is biased toward citizens.

    The system was put in the place a long time ago when Americans favoring Americans sounded like common-sense, not hateful racism, but that's how it still works.

    , @artichoke
    I believe that was Occidental for which we saw that evidence of his foreign-student scholarship. Somehow he transferred from there to Columbia (where nobody ever saw him at all) and then get admitted to Harvard Law.
  119. @Bill Jones
    Didn't Barry the Kenyan get a deal at Harvard for being able to prove that he was a foreign Johnny?

    Almost nobody knows this and I hesitate to spread it around, but the Financial Aid system is biased toward American citizens. When you fill out FAFSA, the question of your citizenship is a big deal. Maybe lots of foreigners lie in order to get “need-based aid” but the law is biased toward citizens.

    The system was put in the place a long time ago when Americans favoring Americans sounded like common-sense, not hateful racism, but that’s how it still works.

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    Steve, everyone does know that. I am surprised you are thinking it's something else.

    We know colleges charge full cash price to foreign students, and that's why we think they seem to give admission preference to them.

    We think they should not be allowed to give that preference, or should have to give it to Americans instead, even though they would make less $$ that way.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    Still pushing citizenship=Chinese "Americans" voting Whitey into a racial minority in California...who cares if they are citizens...they are not Native Born White Americans..the historic racial majority....

  120. @Steve Sailer
    Stalin was roughly Chief Diversity Officer for Lenin in the early pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He pushed ethnic folk dancing.

    If you were a Chechen, a Crimean Tatar, a Kalmyk, etc., you might have later on wished that Stalin had never learned that much about the Soviet Union’s ethnic diversity …

    Note that, despite endorsing the idea in the 30s before coming to power, by 1949, Mao decided to reject the Soviet model of ethnic socialist republics that on paper were so autonomous that they could unilaterally secede. Of course, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao all knew very well that what it says in the constitution ain’t necessarily so, but, still, making such extravagant claims on paper had the potential to become an annoyance. Mao instead opted for what is on paper the Åland model.

    When I was teaching in China 10 years ago, my impression was the students (college undergrads) were used to a discourse that was anxious to talk about China’s “minorities” (a word they employed frequently in English; the Chinese term is 少数民族 shǎoshù mínzú, lit. “few-number ethny”) in the same terms that Americans talk about American minorities. I have to imagine that’s because, the way we’re used to looking at things, nobody thinks of minorities in America as groups that are entitled to national self-determination, whereas numerous ethnic groups in China could easily be construed as “nations”. Obviously the former is preferable to the powers that be.

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  121. @ussr andy

    To me, the “cultural marxists” or whatever a better term may be, are just the internal troops who were successful while working in parallel with the external troops who were unsuccessful in the Cold War.
     
    this is... stupid. Moreso as "the internal troops" became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.

    unless that, too, was a plan... Russians dial PC up to 11, Americans get fed-up and elect the Russians' guy to the Whitehouse. Whoa....

    I never said it was a big plan, Andy. There are just a lot of people that think the same way. On the other hand, read about the Frankfort school. They had evil intentions, but they alone would not have any power to make the downfall of Western society happen as it has.

    Moreso as “the internal troops” became even more unhinged after the fall of the USSR.

    I don’t get this part. Yes, the “internal troops” (and don’t take everything so literally – I didn’t mean it that way) would get more unhinged. Most of those people for 7 decades wanted the USSR to be successful to show that Communism works. Many tried to hide the story of the terrible conditions for the Russian people, and others were just fooling themselves. So, after the fall, they had 2 things going for them a) nobody worried about the commies anymore – the future looked very bright in 1989 and b) they were pretty infiltrated into the media, universities, and such; it was time for the cultural marxism (or whatever name you want to call it) to get ramped up to a new level of stupid.

    An interesting point here is that, during the Cold War era, there were two groups on far opposite sides that both wanted to show that the “Russkies” were strong a) the hard-left to prove that the whole “to each according to his means” crap was working hunky-dory and b) the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) to make sure we would keep building new and improved defense equipment for the big bucks.

    You should talk to older people, who were around then, to get more history on this – Pat Buchanan would be good. His columns appear here on unz, but I don’t know if he responds to comments.

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  122. artichoke says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, although that was written partly in jest (keep in mind, I said "alumni", not current students), I have been in the university environment for a good bit in the past. I understand how much money the schools make off the foreign students. Back in the 90's there were quite a few from the middle east - but that was all relative as a) there weren't nearly as many from China back then, and b) you wouldn't see any blatant moslems of any sort anywhere else but the campus then so they stood out.

    Some of the 100,000's of Chinese students plan on staying here (whether legally or not), but of the ones who don't but whose parents think it is the biggest deal to get a piece of paper from an American university, they will eventually be sorry they bothered. Reputations take a long time to change and haven't caught up to reality yet

    It’s time for Trump to start enforcing the sworn statement that ALL student visa holders make before they can get their visas: that they have no intention to immigrate here.

    You spent $200,000 for that US undergrad degree? Thank you very much, now go back home.

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  123. artichoke says:
    @Bill Jones
    Didn't Barry the Kenyan get a deal at Harvard for being able to prove that he was a foreign Johnny?

    I believe that was Occidental for which we saw that evidence of his foreign-student scholarship. Somehow he transferred from there to Columbia (where nobody ever saw him at all) and then get admitted to Harvard Law.

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  124. artichoke says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Almost nobody knows this and I hesitate to spread it around, but the Financial Aid system is biased toward American citizens. When you fill out FAFSA, the question of your citizenship is a big deal. Maybe lots of foreigners lie in order to get "need-based aid" but the law is biased toward citizens.

    The system was put in the place a long time ago when Americans favoring Americans sounded like common-sense, not hateful racism, but that's how it still works.

    Steve, everyone does know that. I am surprised you are thinking it’s something else.

    We know colleges charge full cash price to foreign students, and that’s why we think they seem to give admission preference to them.

    We think they should not be allowed to give that preference, or should have to give it to Americans instead, even though they would make less $$ that way.

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  125. Daniel H says:
    @Clyde

    What? Only 20% of UCSD undergrads identify as white?
     
    That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese. My bet is 15% of USC student body was born in Mainland Commie China. That another 7% were born here but from immigrants from Mainland China.
    So you have a large bloc of students with close ties to Communist China. We are being cucked into educating China's youth. Not to mention the youth of Mexico and Central America.

    >>That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese.

    No way 1/3 of the Asian pop. at the UCSD is Indian. I guess that 95% are Chinese.

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    Go ahead and make an estimate of what percentage of USC students are Chinese. There are all kinds of Asians in California, from India to Vietnam to Cambodia to Philippines and so on.
  126. DWB says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    That's a huge number, actually. Well over one percent of all births in the US. And that's not counting all the tourists/illegals from other countries who pop out citizens here.

    BRC is a travesty.

    AndrewR

    I don’t think Yan Shen said that the number (~60,000) was insignificant. He said its significance was a matter that could be discussed. It’s an important difference.

    What he did say, explicitly, was that birth tourism “sucks in principle.”

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  127. @Anonymous

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4231032/Fascinating-maps-reveal-scale-countries-worldwide.html

    UK Daily Mail: Did YOU know that Africa is three times larger than China? Fascinating maps reveal the true scale of countries and continents worldwide

    -Mercator projection used in 2D maps misrepresents countries near the equator
    -Expedia has shown the true scale of countries that look distorted on 2D maps
    -Shocking comparisons shed new light on which landmasses are actually largest

     

    Maps and globes are shocking now? Are these people that stupid or was that a joke?

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  128. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4231032/Fascinating-maps-reveal-scale-countries-worldwide.html

    UK Daily Mail: Did YOU know that Africa is three times larger than China? Fascinating maps reveal the true scale of countries and continents worldwide

    -Mercator projection used in 2D maps misrepresents countries near the equator
    -Expedia has shown the true scale of countries that look distorted on 2D maps
    -Shocking comparisons shed new light on which landmasses are actually largest

     

    In Boston at Mary Baker Eddy Library they have a three story globe map that you can walk inside:

    The Mapparium is a three-story-tall globe made of stained glass that is viewed from a 30-foot-long bridge through its interior

    You can see the distortions of flat map projections. Africa is huge

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  129. Whoever says:
    @John K.
    Forgot to add one last comment that came to mind which isn't really related to the subject, but whatever...


    A Soviet female veteran who fought the Nazis as a partisan for years, risking the usual gang rape+quick bullet to the head combo if captured, would probably be quite amused at the notion of modern "feminists" in the Western media calling themselves "The Resistance"... for debating the various nefarious means the patriarchy (and remember-it is the WHITE male patriarchy, regardless of the statistics of which cultures treat women better) has of subverting their well-paid asses. Matter of fact, you could probably say the same for today's Kurdish female fighters kicking the ass of ISIS goons who want to take them as sex slaves, or Somali women fleeing genital mutilation, or Pakistani women risking having acid thrown into their face for learning how to read. That's real feminism. That is something to be heartily approved of and supported.

    Maybe this meme sums it up better:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXtnslFWcAAftSQ.jpg

    Maybe this meme sums it up better

    Naw, it don’t.
    This one does:

    Of course, the females you associate with and those I associate with might be of different types. I prefer my type.

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  130. @Clyde

    What? Only 20% of UCSD undergrads identify as white?
     
    That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese. My bet is 15% of USC student body was born in Mainland Commie China. That another 7% were born here but from immigrants from Mainland China.
    So you have a large bloc of students with close ties to Communist China. We are being cucked into educating China's youth. Not to mention the youth of Mexico and Central America.

    Per an earlier comment of mine, the joke’s on them. I don’t think they’re getting much of an education anymore, even in engineering, unless the “education” is all the PC nonsense from all around the university. In that case, take their money, run them through for 4 years, and send ‘em back to screw-up China.

    They could start Cultural Revolution 2.0 – not your father’s C.R., but a newer, edgy Cultural Revolution, an iRevolution, if you will. Instead of a farm in Qiqihar, Manchuria to slop pigs, you’ll be sent to a cave in Yunnan to write internet comments. Instead of making big-character posters and kicking the shit out of your parents, you’ll be forced to build an island made out of shipping containers out in the S. China Sea, and your parents and grandparents, if they are landlords (that means everyone) will be forced to eat entire meals without any rice and using a fork and knife, and made to throw their paper towels into the trash can. Instead of a little Red Book, all the Han people will read http://www.unz.com Spitting onto the sidewalk will be outlawed with harsh penalties. Join for the hygiene lesson, stay for the camaraderie.

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  131. ussr andy says:
    @guest
    You find the heart of Marxism in economic and political self-decolonization (whatever that means), as well as worker uplift. But why would an orthodox Marxist lift a finger to help the workers? Think about it. The worse their condition, the closer they are to overthrowing capitalism, the closer they are to a workers' paradise. It'd actually be cruel to ameliorate their suffering. They'd be better off suffering more.

    I have similar questions about your 3rd world liberation movements. They were generally not carried out by workers, because that part of the world lagged behind in industrialization by definition. Freeing them from colonization would retarded their economic development, which in turn would delay the eventual workers' paradise which could be theirs.

    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement. It originally was mostly economic in nature, focused on class division. Followers after the death of the founder pushed the focus beyond economics and politics-proper to things like the family, sex, race, and so forth. But they retained the central goal: the overthrow of the existing bourgeois order in the West. They were cultural and political revolutionaries more than economic revolutionaries, but still conspicuously Marxist.

    Cultural Marxism isn't like, say, Social Darwinism, which in the latter case is there in the original, plain as day, despite the denial of goodthinking contemporary Darwinists. You'd have to read into Marxism, and ignore a lot, to arrive at the conclusion of later, putative "Marxists." But it's undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

    The school was yuge, much bigger than any right-wing intellectual tradition could imagine past the Middle Ages. Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it's happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don't usually care.

    Plus, Actual Marx was contradictory enough to allow for opposite conclusions from his intellectual descendents. He wasn't doing science, as he claimed, and plenty of his writings are just fire-and-brimstone rants. Is he more abusing, or abused against in this sense? I don't know.

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity. Marcuse added Freud. We generally hold Marx at least a bit accountable for the former, why not the latter? Because, as I said, it's as a revolutionary movement that Marxism holds together.

    They’d be better off suffering more.

    that’s called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just “workers’ paradise” (which is a canard since in a classless society there’d be no wage labor.) I’m thinking of “the singularity” etc.

    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it’s modernity on steroids. And since there’s just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it’s also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I’m thinking of the Central Asian ‘stans… Countries where the West indulged “reactionaries” (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much…

    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.

    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.

    It’s willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don’t think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It’s the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.

    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It’s good stuff.

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    "which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor"

    The only way to get a classless society, according to Marx, is for the workers to take over the means of production. (I never understood why. Just because.) That's why we call it a workers' paradise. Not a canard at all.

    , @guest
    About the modernity thing, yes, I realize I may not have the same idea in my head as other people using that word. Because it's particularly ill-defined in current usage. But I mean something like progressive specialization. I think Marxism is distinctly retrograde regarding that.
    , @guest
    I'm not talking merely about people who are informed by Marx, like ones on the right who are informed by Evola (all three of them). I'm talking about actual, recognized schools of Marxism, many of which can trace a direct line of dissent from the master. Try reading Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism, for instance. I'm beginning to think you just don't know what you're talking about.

    There really isn't anything comparable on the right, not in modern times. We have things like the Leo Strauss school for neocons, which is but a drop in the bucket.

    It is like the connect the dots game the left plays, except two things. First of all, there actually is a connection. The New Left very obviously and undeniably got its ideas from Marxist expats in the U.S., and out of them came PC, and PC spawned Trigglypuff. I don't think she would have happened on her own, or else she would have been hyperventilating over something else.

    Hitler, on the other hand, was not an intellectual (or was a dilettante one), did not spawn any schools, and the sources from which he drew have barely any influence, even on the right, numbers-wise. Though he's always on people's minds, and there is a following. You have to bend much father, all the way over backwards, to ascribe the ascendant ideas on the right to his influence. He certainly doesn't own nationalism or HBD.

    Marxism, on the other hand, however dead is the classical version, lives on in derivative versions. There is a direct link between Current Year leftist thought and Marxist schools of thought, if not Marxism itself. (Though Marxism itself, too, since I maintain Marxism is at heart a revolutionary program, ending with the left on top and the current order out.)

    , @guest
    Oh, and about modernization again. Of course communism has the effect of modernization, rapid industrialization, etc. Because they deliberately violated the tenets of Marxism and had their revolutions where there was no ripeness.

    They had to ripen things deliberately, and in doing so were doing the work of modernity. Modernity on steroids, as you say. But what about the places where there were no revolutions? Where there actually was Late Capitalism? There, Marx says, the dialectic will bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat, the classless society, the withering of the state, and finally...whatever communism is.

    There you have your anti-modernity. Because Marxism aims to destroy bourgeois civilization. Western Civilization is bourgeois. Western Civilization is also, as you say, the only modern civilization. So Marxism would in fact destroy modernity. You can't have modernity without the social, political, and economic system set up by bourgeois society.

    Marx never specified what he'd replace it with. He couldn't, because I assume it would be replaced with nothing. Cultural Marxism would replace it with truly nothing, but classical Marxism at best would not be modern. Therefore genuinely anti-Western.

    As for those countries where there actually was a revolution, where capitalism had not fully developed and the was plenty of modernizing to be done, yes, Marxism in a manner of speaking was a Westernizing force. But that was all with the aim of ultimate ruin of the very civilization it was building up. It built only to cause its own destruction.

  132. @John K.
    It is an odd irony of history that those who lived under the Old Left in the Cold War were granted mental immunization from today's New Left. Most older Chinese frankly think Western obsessions with race, gender, identity that their grandchildren pick up on US college campuses are ridiculous and beneath contempt.

    And yes. For all the often horrific flaws of Marxism-flaws that ended up taking tens of millions of lives throughout the 20th Century-it at least genuinely sought to improve the lot of the working class, and highly valued science, education, modernity, etc. In its own way, it very much was a product of Western culture, of Hegel and German Idealism, and it shows: Marx and Engels regularly discoursed about classical history, for example, and-albeit through a Marxist prism-would have expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics, now derided as being in need of purification against the predations of the alt-right. They'd be flat out appalled by today's leftists, particularly by their anti-intellectual, quasi-religious attitudes, and their choice of priorities. It also goes the other way around. During the latter part of the Cold War, Soviet leaders had views on "new feminism", political correctness, race and the rest that would make Pat Buchanan, let alone your typical bien-pensant, blush.

    Of course, this mutual mental disconnect has been a bit of a longstanding issue, as seen by the relationship of affluent 1960s campus leftists with actual Communists, but that's another story for another day.

    One other interesting note: look at what Marx, Gompers, or especially Cesar Chavez thought of unchecked, and in the case of the last one, illegal immigration. If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy last year, he would have brought that one up.

    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    You are giving them too much credit. Most just want to virtue signal for their upper middle class friends and show how enlightened they are.

    “If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy”

    We settle for what we can get.

    To look on the bright side, an “intellectually vibrant” President Trump might scare even me.

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  133. Veracitor says:

    Though President Bill Clinton launched the Democrat Party’s Conversation® about Race program at UCSD’s 1997 commencement (twenty years ago!), and promoted the Zeroeth Amendment as well, Clinton did not mention “safe spaces” then, despite promoting “diversity” and accusing white Americans of racist violence multiple times with exquisite rhetorical skill. I don’t think the Newspeak term “safe space” had been invented yet, or perhaps it just sounded too much like “safe haven” which was associated with Clinton’s disastrous war in the Balkans.

    Reviewing Clinton’s 1997 speech at UCSD made me realize how stale the Democratic Party line had gotten by the time Hillary reprised Bill’s 1997 schtick while campaigning against Trump in late 2016. Hillary’s recent campaign speeches sounded like she took Bill’s old speech and crossed out all of the friendly parts. In 1997 Bill’s speech chiefly promoted the notions that America should devote more and more attention to racial issues and enforce more race-based “affirmative action” and immigration. In 2016 Hillary’s screeches promoted exactly the same notions, but drunk with the arrogance of imagined power, Hillary dispensed with Bill’s soothing (though disingenuous) flourishes about how some whites were merely misinformed instead of evil and some non-whites insufficiently sensitive to others. Trump’s speeches chiefly promoted the notions that America should devote more attention to economic problems and demand more honest governance. Trump stepped up to run against twenty years of Democrat race-obsession and race-pandering extending from Clinton through Obama to Hillary, and that part of the electorate which had been getting the shaft instead of the gold mine was ready to welcome him.

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  134. @John K.
    It is an odd irony of history that those who lived under the Old Left in the Cold War were granted mental immunization from today's New Left. Most older Chinese frankly think Western obsessions with race, gender, identity that their grandchildren pick up on US college campuses are ridiculous and beneath contempt.

    And yes. For all the often horrific flaws of Marxism-flaws that ended up taking tens of millions of lives throughout the 20th Century-it at least genuinely sought to improve the lot of the working class, and highly valued science, education, modernity, etc. In its own way, it very much was a product of Western culture, of Hegel and German Idealism, and it shows: Marx and Engels regularly discoursed about classical history, for example, and-albeit through a Marxist prism-would have expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics, now derided as being in need of purification against the predations of the alt-right. They'd be flat out appalled by today's leftists, particularly by their anti-intellectual, quasi-religious attitudes, and their choice of priorities. It also goes the other way around. During the latter part of the Cold War, Soviet leaders had views on "new feminism", political correctness, race and the rest that would make Pat Buchanan, let alone your typical bien-pensant, blush.

    Of course, this mutual mental disconnect has been a bit of a longstanding issue, as seen by the relationship of affluent 1960s campus leftists with actual Communists, but that's another story for another day.

    One other interesting note: look at what Marx, Gompers, or especially Cesar Chavez thought of unchecked, and in the case of the last one, illegal immigration. If Trump had an iota of intellectual vibrancy last year, he would have brought that one up.

    "Western PC is not Marxist, it developed more as a response to the complete failure of Marxism as an economic model. I’m guessing the rationale is – “Actually taking over the means of production is too hard, but maybe we can guilt the capitalists into just giving us stuff”.

    You are giving them too much credit. Most just want to virtue signal for their upper middle class friends and show how enlightened they are.

    “expected upstanding Communists to have been well versed in the classics”

    Yes, the Soviets kept Pushkin and Dostoyevsky in print and in the curriculum. So maybe my grandchildren will still be able to learn from King Lear what gratitude you can expect for surrendering your authority.

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  135. @Steve Sailer
    Almost nobody knows this and I hesitate to spread it around, but the Financial Aid system is biased toward American citizens. When you fill out FAFSA, the question of your citizenship is a big deal. Maybe lots of foreigners lie in order to get "need-based aid" but the law is biased toward citizens.

    The system was put in the place a long time ago when Americans favoring Americans sounded like common-sense, not hateful racism, but that's how it still works.

    Steve

    Still pushing citizenship=Chinese “Americans” voting Whitey into a racial minority in California…who cares if they are citizens…they are not Native Born White Americans..the historic racial majority….

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  136. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @(((Owen)))
    It's just the latest incarnation of BDS. Mass immigration means the historic American people will be displaced and that always means subjugation.

    We're lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing. The Chinese and Moslems are not going to have mercy on us. The noose will tighten and tighten as long as we ignorantly welcome conquerors into what was once our nation.

    This isn’t analogous to BDS, since the Tibetans would be analogous to the Palestinians.

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  137. guest says:
    @ussr andy

    They’d be better off suffering more.
     
    that's called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just "workers' paradise" (which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor.) I'm thinking of "the singularity" etc.


    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

     

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it's modernity on steroids. And since there's just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it's also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I'm thinking of the Central Asian 'stans... Countries where the West indulged "reactionaries" (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much...


    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

     

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.


    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.
     
    It's willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don't think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It's the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.
     
    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It's good stuff.

    “which is a canard since in a classless society there’d be no wage labor”

    The only way to get a classless society, according to Marx, is for the workers to take over the means of production. (I never understood why. Just because.) That’s why we call it a workers’ paradise. Not a canard at all.

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    The only way to get a classless society, according to Marx, is for the workers to take over the means of production.
     
    The Muslim version is that world peace comes when the entire planet is Muslim. This is also when Jihad ends.
  138. guest says:
    @ussr andy

    They’d be better off suffering more.
     
    that's called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just "workers' paradise" (which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor.) I'm thinking of "the singularity" etc.


    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

     

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it's modernity on steroids. And since there's just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it's also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I'm thinking of the Central Asian 'stans... Countries where the West indulged "reactionaries" (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much...


    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

     

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.


    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.
     
    It's willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don't think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It's the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.
     
    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It's good stuff.

    About the modernity thing, yes, I realize I may not have the same idea in my head as other people using that word. Because it’s particularly ill-defined in current usage. But I mean something like progressive specialization. I think Marxism is distinctly retrograde regarding that.

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  139. Clyde says:
    @Daniel H
    >>That site says 46% are Asian, guessing this includes from India. So lets say 30% of USC is Chinese.

    No way 1/3 of the Asian pop. at the UCSD is Indian. I guess that 95% are Chinese.

    Go ahead and make an estimate of what percentage of USC students are Chinese. There are all kinds of Asians in California, from India to Vietnam to Cambodia to Philippines and so on.

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  140. Clyde says:
    @guest
    "which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor"

    The only way to get a classless society, according to Marx, is for the workers to take over the means of production. (I never understood why. Just because.) That's why we call it a workers' paradise. Not a canard at all.

    The only way to get a classless society, according to Marx, is for the workers to take over the means of production.

    The Muslim version is that world peace comes when the entire planet is Muslim. This is also when Jihad ends.

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  141. guest says:
    @ussr andy

    They’d be better off suffering more.
     
    that's called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just "workers' paradise" (which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor.) I'm thinking of "the singularity" etc.


    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

     

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it's modernity on steroids. And since there's just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it's also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I'm thinking of the Central Asian 'stans... Countries where the West indulged "reactionaries" (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much...


    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

     

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.


    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.
     
    It's willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don't think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It's the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.
     
    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It's good stuff.

    I’m not talking merely about people who are informed by Marx, like ones on the right who are informed by Evola (all three of them). I’m talking about actual, recognized schools of Marxism, many of which can trace a direct line of dissent from the master. Try reading Kolakowski’s Main Currents of Marxism, for instance. I’m beginning to think you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

    There really isn’t anything comparable on the right, not in modern times. We have things like the Leo Strauss school for neocons, which is but a drop in the bucket.

    It is like the connect the dots game the left plays, except two things. First of all, there actually is a connection. The New Left very obviously and undeniably got its ideas from Marxist expats in the U.S., and out of them came PC, and PC spawned Trigglypuff. I don’t think she would have happened on her own, or else she would have been hyperventilating over something else.

    Hitler, on the other hand, was not an intellectual (or was a dilettante one), did not spawn any schools, and the sources from which he drew have barely any influence, even on the right, numbers-wise. Though he’s always on people’s minds, and there is a following. You have to bend much father, all the way over backwards, to ascribe the ascendant ideas on the right to his influence. He certainly doesn’t own nationalism or HBD.

    Marxism, on the other hand, however dead is the classical version, lives on in derivative versions. There is a direct link between Current Year leftist thought and Marxist schools of thought, if not Marxism itself. (Though Marxism itself, too, since I maintain Marxism is at heart a revolutionary program, ending with the left on top and the current order out.)

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  142. @Vinay
    This is still about Edward Said but it's at least related to the whole notion of the PC war on noticing.

    Your charge that Said's "war on noticing" made the American public dumber about the Middle East would hold up a lot better if the Iraq war had been waged by a liberal Democrat who naively believed that Iraqis were just freedom-loving Americans in fancy dress and would welcome us as liberators. Instead, of course, it was waged by GWB and prominently supported by....wait for it...BERNARD LEWIS.

    The same Bernard Lewis, who was a prominent critic of Orientalism, was a cheerleader for the Iraq War, one of the prime examples of misunderstanding the Middle East. Commenter Barbicane asked why American intellectuals fell for "Orientalism". I'd guess it's partly because the Orientalist approach wasn't exactly leading to a sober, hard-headed understanding of the Middle East.

    Some non-PC avenues may lead to wisdom but most just lead to greater delusion.

    BL was once asked as to what kind of a Jew he was and to that he had replied: Twice a year Jew, meaning he attended shul on the Passover and Yom Kippur. But nonetheless, he was a Jew and he loved his people and it should not come as surprise to anyone that he used his mastery of words to distort what Said had to say to secure the ancestral Jewish homeland for his peeps… But why are you, most likely a Hindu, talking about this at a time when Tibet is being raped by the godless Chinese, quo vadis?

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  143. guest says:
    @ussr andy

    They’d be better off suffering more.
     
    that's called accelerationism, and even though Marx said something to that effect, it only became a thing with the New Left. And people want to induce peak capitalism for all sorts of non-Leftist reasons, not just "workers' paradise" (which is a canard since in a classless society there'd be no wage labor.) I'm thinking of "the singularity" etc.


    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement.

     

    Nonsense. Well, CultMarx may be, but actual Marxism is not. If anything, it's modernity on steroids. And since there's just one kind of modernity, the Western one, it's also pro-West. Many countries have become more Western, not less, due to a history of Communism. I'm thinking of the Central Asian 'stans... Countries where the West indulged "reactionaries" (religious/landowners etc), usually under some pretext like anti-Communism, not so much...


    But it’s undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

     

    True, but so what. The Angela Davises and Franz Fanons of this world are informed by Marx. People on the right are informed by Evola and Guillaume Fay and whatnot.


    Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it’s happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don’t usually care.
     
    It's willful obscurantism and it deflects from the economic agenda. Sorry, I don't think that those who blame Marx for Trigglypuff do so in good faith. It's the same game the Left plays, Connect the dots (to Hitler.)

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity.
     
    Most importantly, he added vanguardism.

    Marxism needs a Paul who will cleanse it of the subversive, chosenite nonsense that got added by exile Marxists and the New Left. It's good stuff.

    Oh, and about modernization again. Of course communism has the effect of modernization, rapid industrialization, etc. Because they deliberately violated the tenets of Marxism and had their revolutions where there was no ripeness.

    They had to ripen things deliberately, and in doing so were doing the work of modernity. Modernity on steroids, as you say. But what about the places where there were no revolutions? Where there actually was Late Capitalism? There, Marx says, the dialectic will bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat, the classless society, the withering of the state, and finally…whatever communism is.

    There you have your anti-modernity. Because Marxism aims to destroy bourgeois civilization. Western Civilization is bourgeois. Western Civilization is also, as you say, the only modern civilization. So Marxism would in fact destroy modernity. You can’t have modernity without the social, political, and economic system set up by bourgeois society.

    Marx never specified what he’d replace it with. He couldn’t, because I assume it would be replaced with nothing. Cultural Marxism would replace it with truly nothing, but classical Marxism at best would not be modern. Therefore genuinely anti-Western.

    As for those countries where there actually was a revolution, where capitalism had not fully developed and the was plenty of modernizing to be done, yes, Marxism in a manner of speaking was a Westernizing force. But that was all with the aim of ultimate ruin of the very civilization it was building up. It built only to cause its own destruction.

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    There you have your anti-modernity. Because Marxism aims to destroy bourgeois civilization.
     
    it doesn't. That's like saying classical physics was anti-apples. Marxism just says the bourgeois class will atrophy by itself, there's nothing anyone can do about it, it's like a law of nature (or histmat, rather)
  144. Romanian says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Hatespeech trigger warning: All California university students please stop reading now!

    Let's ask Marx's friend and collaborator, Friedrich Engels, about diversity:

    "Among all the large and small nations of Austria, only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and still retain their vitality -- the Germans, the Poles, and the Magyars...all the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary Weltsturm...The Austrian Germans and Magyars will be set free and wreak a bloody revenge on the Slav barbarians. The general war which will then break out will smash this Slav Sonderbund and wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward." - The Magyar Struggle, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 1849

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels

    My own countrymen were referenced by Engels in his writings. We were a particularly reactionary and counterrevolutionary people and our destruction was assured. This caused obvious problems during our Communist period when Marx and Engels were intensely studied and referenced. Maybe it lay behind the use of nationalism to detach us from Moscow. Or maybe it was Engels’ prophecy coming true. He was sort of right, when you consider some of our difficulties with legitimate advances. I guess it’s like that sickle cell adaptation to malaria. We might not become Sweden anytime soon, but at least we won’t commit suicide like they have.

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  145. Boomstick says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Stalin was roughly Chief Diversity Officer for Lenin in the early pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He pushed ethnic folk dancing.

    Stalin liked diversity so much he was always moving ethnic minorities to different places in the Soviet Union. That way Siberians could benefit from the ethnic diversity.

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  146. @Jason Liu
    Regardless, the Dalai Lama is too much of a liberal, or at the very least has become an icon for white liberals. He should be shut down for that reason alone. The rhetoric used is not important.

    If anything ought to be shutdown in the world, it should be China! What do the Han Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama, have to do with Tibetans? You’re raping their land, lives and culture just like the Japanese did to you… Have you no shame, man?

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    We've held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we've even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don't you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that's for certain

  147. Anon 2 says:

    The key figure to remember is that the U.S.
    government allows 60-70,000 LEGAL immigrants
    from China per year (I doubt 60,000 due to birth
    tourism is valid. If it were true, it would be a major
    scandal) /same numbers for India, by the way/.
    How many from China sneak in illegally is anybody’s
    guess. No wonder the number of Asians in the U.S.
    is growing exponentially, and they typically vote
    Democratic! Two more stats to keep in mind: The
    population of China is growing at the rate of 6-7 million
    a year, and that of India at 15 million a year. In terms of
    environmental destruction and degradation there is no
    hope for humanity if these rates of population growth in Asia
    continue much longer.

    I travel internationally in connection with my work, which
    is very gratifying since it allows me to study different national
    temperaments. I was aboard a plane at the Narita airport in Tokyo
    awaiting departure 2 years ago when 3 Chinese young men came late
    looking for their seats. They were loud and boorish as compared
    to the gentility of the rest of the passengers who were mostly
    Japanese and white. I had an analogous experience in Paris once.
    I was waiting for my train at an almost empty metro station in central
    Paris one evening when I heard very loud voices entering the station.
    I said to myself, “I’ll bet these are not ethnic Frenchmen,” and I was
    right – they were Africans. The French (at least in Paris) use their indoor
    voices everywhere (and also speak very fast, which makes them hard
    to understand sometimes). In this sense they are like the cultured
    Japanese in contrast to the boorish Chinese. I still remember when a
    typical Chinese in the U.S. was quiet as a mouse. Not anymore.

    We need to reduce legal immigration to 100,000 a year, if not less.

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    Chinese tourists in Japan have gained much reputation there for being loud, boorish, etc. as their numbers have increased in recent years.
  148. Thomas says:

    In defense of these students, the lesson that “diversity” and “inclusion” means shutting up and suppressing anyone you’re offended by is pretty much what is taught at American universities today. They’re not saying anything that would be out of character for, say, anti-Milo thugs.

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  149. anonguy says:
    @Anon 2
    The key figure to remember is that the U.S.
    government allows 60-70,000 LEGAL immigrants
    from China per year (I doubt 60,000 due to birth
    tourism is valid. If it were true, it would be a major
    scandal) /same numbers for India, by the way/.
    How many from China sneak in illegally is anybody's
    guess. No wonder the number of Asians in the U.S.
    is growing exponentially, and they typically vote
    Democratic! Two more stats to keep in mind: The
    population of China is growing at the rate of 6-7 million
    a year, and that of India at 15 million a year. In terms of
    environmental destruction and degradation there is no
    hope for humanity if these rates of population growth in Asia
    continue much longer.

    I travel internationally in connection with my work, which
    is very gratifying since it allows me to study different national
    temperaments. I was aboard a plane at the Narita airport in Tokyo
    awaiting departure 2 years ago when 3 Chinese young men came late
    looking for their seats. They were loud and boorish as compared
    to the gentility of the rest of the passengers who were mostly
    Japanese and white. I had an analogous experience in Paris once.
    I was waiting for my train at an almost empty metro station in central
    Paris one evening when I heard very loud voices entering the station.
    I said to myself, "I'll bet these are not ethnic Frenchmen," and I was
    right - they were Africans. The French (at least in Paris) use their indoor
    voices everywhere (and also speak very fast, which makes them hard
    to understand sometimes). In this sense they are like the cultured
    Japanese in contrast to the boorish Chinese. I still remember when a
    typical Chinese in the U.S. was quiet as a mouse. Not anymore.

    We need to reduce legal immigration to 100,000 a year, if not less.

    Chinese tourists in Japan have gained much reputation there for being loud, boorish, etc. as their numbers have increased in recent years.

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  150. @Achmed E. Newman

    What Westerners might perceive as Communist Party orthodoxy is mingling weirdly with academia’s commitment to diversity, political correctness, and other championed ideals.
     
    Whoa, hoss, back up a bit. What do you mean by "mingling"? Political Correctness and diversity are, like, in the Bylaws of our Communist Party here; hell, we cut-and-pasted the PC part directly from Chairman Mao's red book!

    Mao, you magnificent bastard, we read your book!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM


    As Chinese alumni, we are proud to be part of the growing UC community because of its diversity and inclusiveness. When addressing such a diverse community, there is a greater responsibility to spread a message that brings people together, rather than split them apart.
     
    Hmmm, maybe this Chancellor is smarter than I'd normally give him credit for, as a Univ. Admin. Notice these are alumni complaining. Possibly, and I'm not saying because they're Chinese*, they really don't give much money back to the school. The Chancellor may have invited Mr Lama, just to cheese-off these alumni, so they would realize they don't have any pull to stop it by withholding their donations that last year amounted to only 550 RMB all-totaled ( 84 dollars and 61 cents US) . "Hey, if you'd have donated more money to our fine institutions, you'd have enough money to nix this Jack-leg. Pony up, Zhong-guo Ren!"

    Oh yeah, that is a lot of Chinese people if they have a Shanghai Chinese Students Organization. Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    * OK, I am.

    Can you imagine enough students studying Feng Shui and calligraphy to enable the Winnemucca American Students Organization in Canton?

    Lots of Russian students (over 10 thousand) in China studying the Chinese language. (And feng shui and calligraphy too, I guess.)

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  151. @iffen
    is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake?

    Politics

    is there anything that people on the Left enjoy for its own sake?

    Politics

    Only if they’re winning. Don’t take defeat well.

    I know of someone who refused a dinner invitation from some old friends because the friends voted ‘Leave’ in the EU referendum. Sad!

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  152. @guest
    You find the heart of Marxism in economic and political self-decolonization (whatever that means), as well as worker uplift. But why would an orthodox Marxist lift a finger to help the workers? Think about it. The worse their condition, the closer they are to overthrowing capitalism, the closer they are to a workers' paradise. It'd actually be cruel to ameliorate their suffering. They'd be better off suffering more.

    I have similar questions about your 3rd world liberation movements. They were generally not carried out by workers, because that part of the world lagged behind in industrialization by definition. Freeing them from colonization would retarded their economic development, which in turn would delay the eventual workers' paradise which could be theirs.

    We know why Marx organized workers, and why Marxists exploited 3rd resentment of 1st Worlders: because the heart of Marxism is not where you found it. Marxism is essential an anti-Western, leftist revolutionary movement. It originally was mostly economic in nature, focused on class division. Followers after the death of the founder pushed the focus beyond economics and politics-proper to things like the family, sex, race, and so forth. But they retained the central goal: the overthrow of the existing bourgeois order in the West. They were cultural and political revolutionaries more than economic revolutionaries, but still conspicuously Marxist.

    Cultural Marxism isn't like, say, Social Darwinism, which in the latter case is there in the original, plain as day, despite the denial of goodthinking contemporary Darwinists. You'd have to read into Marxism, and ignore a lot, to arrive at the conclusion of later, putative "Marxists." But it's undeniable, there are unbroken traditions from actual Marxism to Cultural Marxists, not just so-called but Marxists in fact. Ones who studied under ones who studied under, and so forth.

    The school was yuge, much bigger than any right-wing intellectual tradition could imagine past the Middle Ages. Is it fair to keep calling them after the fountainhead of the movement, even after they subvert or ignore certain of his fundamental premises and conclusions? Well, it's happened with plenty of other trendsetters, not just Marx, and people outside the chosen don't usually care.

    Plus, Actual Marx was contradictory enough to allow for opposite conclusions from his intellectual descendents. He wasn't doing science, as he claimed, and plenty of his writings are just fire-and-brimstone rants. Is he more abusing, or abused against in this sense? I don't know.

    Lenin took Marx and added electricity. Marcuse added Freud. We generally hold Marx at least a bit accountable for the former, why not the latter? Because, as I said, it's as a revolutionary movement that Marxism holds together.

    “Cultural Marxism isn’t like, say, Social Darwinism”

    Maybe it’s a tool of Social Darwinism, just not “our” Social Darwinism.

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  153. Learning says:
    @Eagle Eye
    Astroturf protests and other actions by Chinese students in the West been going on for decades - see post above.

    Many Chinese students are required to sign an "indenture" with the Chinese "Stasi" before they are allowed to study abroad.

    I used to work with a lot of Chinese back in the 80’s at Rutger’s U. Many came over with husband grad students. When the Tianamen Square even happened, the first reactions from them where -“Nazi” etc Within 48 hours they were all saying the government actions were correct and righteous. I wondered what kind of hold their government had on them,

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    I'm not Chinese but I know some Chinese. I listened to two of the organizers of the Tiananmen occupation when they toured giving speeches.

    They were full of it. Callow students with no principles, only complaints. A proper revolutionary worth listening to has lived life, not a 20 year old student.

    Would the USA put up with a month-long occupation of the Mall in DC? Not even a day, the Bonus Marchers got shot at that fast!
  154. My guess is that “Other” 9 percent at UCSD consists of Whites who don’t want to be identified as such, or mixed-race Eurasians who don’t want to be identified as Asian, but obviously don’t want to be identified as White either. So that 20% Caucasian number might be understated just a little bit.

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  155. UCSD is including international students in its racial/ethnic demographics along with domestic students.  I have never seen that before.  UCSD reports to be 51% Asian (46% Asian plus 5% Filipino).   College Navigator says UCSD is 37% Asian (includes Filipino) and 17% non-resident alien.

    2015 List of Colleges with Largest Percentage of International Students and Total Undergraduate Enrollment (UCSD only public college in the top 10)

    Florida Institute of Technology 32.9% 3,636
    New School (NY )31.7% 6,695
    Illinois Institute of Technology 29.8% 3,099
    University of Tulsa (OK) 26.7% 3,473
    Lynn University (FL) 23% 1,976
    Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 20.9% 6,309
    University of California—San Diego 19.9% 24,810
    Andrews University (MI) 19.6% 1,805
    Northeastern University (MA )19.1% 13,510
    University of San Francisco 19% 6,845

    https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=diego&s=all&pg=2&id=110680

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2016-07-05/10-universities-that-attract-the-most-international-students

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  156. dalarjo says:

    Diversity in the context of “we are a diversity company” means simply “white males need not apply” most of the time. Sorting out the few, very few, that don’t mean that results in many weeks of lost effort seeking employment. It would be a lot easier and more respectful of the time of the applicants if they could just say “white males need not apply” so white males could apply their time and efforts to places where they might actually get hired.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Honest and overt discrimination at least saves time, energy and frustration for the discriminated against.
  157. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    If anything ought to be shutdown in the world, it should be China! What do the Han Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama, have to do with Tibetans? You're raping their land, lives and culture just like the Japanese did to you... Have you no shame, man?

    We’ve held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we’ve even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don’t you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that’s for certain

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Whether you're being crass or not, the point of order is your behavior has been exactly that and as to the bullshit claim about holding the territory since some fu man chu era does not cut it in the modern era... So it's you, who ought gfoh with Chinesey platitudes!
    , @Dan Hayes
    Daniel Chieh:

    A friend of mine who emigrated from Taiwan at age 9 would agree with you regarding Tibet.

    He further describes Taiwan as a "renegade province".

    He is self-classified as a "North East Asian" and bristles without the "North East" qualifier.

    I suspect that his attitudes are shared by the vast majority of his Han compatriots.

    And for what its worth, as a renegade white man I respect/admire him for his group loyalties.
    , @Stationary Feast
    What's the use of Tibet, with or without Tibetans?
    , @silviosilver
    America has moved heaven and earth in an effort to make up for past wrongs. When China has done half as much, perhaps then you can talk. Until then, shut up and vacate Tibet, oppressor.
  158. Bill P says:
    @Opinionator
    The Scots Irish are the least racially clannish of all the Whites.

    True. They don’t hold a candle to the Dutch in that regard. I think the proof of this is that they are the people most likely to describe themselves simply as “American.” In fact, self-reported American ethnicity may be the most accurate method for discerning a region’s Scots Irish population.

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  159. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @dalarjo
    Diversity in the context of "we are a diversity company" means simply "white males need not apply" most of the time. Sorting out the few, very few, that don't mean that results in many weeks of lost effort seeking employment. It would be a lot easier and more respectful of the time of the applicants if they could just say "white males need not apply" so white males could apply their time and efforts to places where they might actually get hired.

    Honest and overt discrimination at least saves time, energy and frustration for the discriminated against.

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  160. @Daniel Chieh
    We've held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we've even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don't you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that's for certain

    Whether you’re being crass or not, the point of order is your behavior has been exactly that and as to the bullshit claim about holding the territory since some fu man chu era does not cut it in the modern era… So it’s you, who ought gfoh with Chinesey platitudes!

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Thanks, we've had it for 2000 years. Bye. We're keeping it.
  161. @Bill P
    True. They don't hold a candle to the Dutch in that regard. I think the proof of this is that they are the people most likely to describe themselves simply as "American." In fact, self-reported American ethnicity may be the most accurate method for discerning a region's Scots Irish population.

    The Dutch are or are not racially clannish?

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  162. Left wing meatballs create drivel such as federal Protected Class Groups, and then indignantly claim they are advocates for equality:

    http://www.unk.edu/offices/human_resources/aaeo/hiring_guidelines/identification_of_protected.php

    Identification of Protected Class Groups

    The following five groups are considered “Protected Classes” under various federal laws. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) requires reporting employment information on the first two groups, females and minorities, which are traditionally underutilized.

    1.FEMALES

    2.INDIGENOUS MINORITIES. Groups for whom established patterns of discrimination have been determined to exist (based on self-identification):

    •Black: (not Hispanic origin): All persons having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.

    •Hispanic: All persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

    •American Indian or Alaskan Native: All persons having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintain cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community recognition.

    •Asian or Pacific Islander: All persons having their origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian Subcontinent or the Pacific Islands. For example: China, Japan, Korea, the Philippine Islands and Samoa.

    3.INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES: Defined as an individual who has a physical or mental impairment that constitutes a substantial limitation on a major life activity, a person with record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived as having such an impairment. The law also protects those who are in a relationship or associated with someone with a disability.

    4.VETERANS AND DISABLED VETERANS

    5.PERSONS AGE 40 OR OVER.

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  163. Dan Hayes says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    We've held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we've even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don't you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that's for certain

    Daniel Chieh:

    A friend of mine who emigrated from Taiwan at age 9 would agree with you regarding Tibet.

    He further describes Taiwan as a “renegade province”.

    He is self-classified as a “North East Asian” and bristles without the “North East” qualifier.

    I suspect that his attitudes are shared by the vast majority of his Han compatriots.

    And for what its worth, as a renegade white man I respect/admire him for his group loyalties.

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  164. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Diversity Heretic
    I believe that George Herbert Walker Bush was a U.S. Navy pilot. He flew an Avenger torpedo bomber and was shot down over Chi Chi Jima. In fairness, George W. Bush flew an F-102 in the Texas Air National Guard--not inherently an easy aircraft to fly.

    I’ve never talked to a single USAF vet with Deuce time that didn’t think she was a delightful airplane to fly once the initial bugs were resolved.

    IIRC Jack Broughton said that if he could have a fighter as a personal toy he’d sooner have a 102 than anything else.

    Although there are a couple of F-100s and several F-104s on the US civil register, we will likely never see a 102 fly again. A sad thing. If I had the money, and could get a restorable airframe I’d do it.

    Although like all deltas she has a wicked backside of the power curve, she has a light wing loading and the reliable and still somewhat supported J-57/JT3D engine.

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  165. @Daniel Chieh
    We've held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we've even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don't you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that's for certain

    What’s the use of Tibet, with or without Tibetans?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    The Yellow River and the Yang-Tse both start in Tibet. And the Mekong, and the Indus, and the Bhramaputra, and the Salween. And while the land's bitter, its workable especially with modern technology.
  166. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Whether you're being crass or not, the point of order is your behavior has been exactly that and as to the bullshit claim about holding the territory since some fu man chu era does not cut it in the modern era... So it's you, who ought gfoh with Chinesey platitudes!

    Thanks, we’ve had it for 2000 years. Bye. We’re keeping it.

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  167. @Stationary Feast
    What's the use of Tibet, with or without Tibetans?

    The Yellow River and the Yang-Tse both start in Tibet. And the Mekong, and the Indus, and the Bhramaputra, and the Salween. And while the land’s bitter, its workable especially with modern technology.

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  168. Okay, we didn’t actually think through the end game when we started this process.

    No, you didn’t

    But (((they))) did.

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  169. @Daniel Chieh
    We've held those lands since the Ming Dynasty, and at that rate, the US should vacate all of America to the natives. Hell,we've even genetically much closer to the Tibet population. As much as I hate to be crass, at some point, the correct response is:

    gtfo with your ramblings

    We would happy take Tibet without Tibetans, if you want. Why don't you vacate Colorado for them?

    And you really want to support a symbol of liberals as the Dalai Lama? heaven knows, you know how to punch right, that's for certain

    America has moved heaven and earth in an effort to make up for past wrongs. When China has done half as much, perhaps then you can talk. Until then, shut up and vacate Tibet, oppressor.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    China has plenty of benefits for the minorities, actually. Beyond that, its none of your business. Hurry up and vacate Colorado: be the shining example.
  170. ussr andy says:
    @guest
    Oh, and about modernization again. Of course communism has the effect of modernization, rapid industrialization, etc. Because they deliberately violated the tenets of Marxism and had their revolutions where there was no ripeness.

    They had to ripen things deliberately, and in doing so were doing the work of modernity. Modernity on steroids, as you say. But what about the places where there were no revolutions? Where there actually was Late Capitalism? There, Marx says, the dialectic will bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat, the classless society, the withering of the state, and finally...whatever communism is.

    There you have your anti-modernity. Because Marxism aims to destroy bourgeois civilization. Western Civilization is bourgeois. Western Civilization is also, as you say, the only modern civilization. So Marxism would in fact destroy modernity. You can't have modernity without the social, political, and economic system set up by bourgeois society.

    Marx never specified what he'd replace it with. He couldn't, because I assume it would be replaced with nothing. Cultural Marxism would replace it with truly nothing, but classical Marxism at best would not be modern. Therefore genuinely anti-Western.

    As for those countries where there actually was a revolution, where capitalism had not fully developed and the was plenty of modernizing to be done, yes, Marxism in a manner of speaking was a Westernizing force. But that was all with the aim of ultimate ruin of the very civilization it was building up. It built only to cause its own destruction.

    There you have your anti-modernity. Because Marxism aims to destroy bourgeois civilization.

    it doesn’t. That’s like saying classical physics was anti-apples. Marxism just says the bourgeois class will atrophy by itself, there’s nothing anyone can do about it, it’s like a law of nature (or histmat, rather)

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  171. artichoke says:
    @Learning
    I used to work with a lot of Chinese back in the 80’s at Rutger’s U. Many came over with husband grad students. When the Tianamen Square even happened, the first reactions from them where -“Nazi” etc Within 48 hours they were all saying the government actions were correct and righteous. I wondered what kind of hold their government had on them,

    I’m not Chinese but I know some Chinese. I listened to two of the organizers of the Tiananmen occupation when they toured giving speeches.

    They were full of it. Callow students with no principles, only complaints. A proper revolutionary worth listening to has lived life, not a 20 year old student.

    Would the USA put up with a month-long occupation of the Mall in DC? Not even a day, the Bonus Marchers got shot at that fast!

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  172. Jefferson says:
    @(((Owen)))
    It's just the latest incarnation of BDS. Mass immigration means the historic American people will be displaced and that always means subjugation.

    We're lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing. The Chinese and Moslems are not going to have mercy on us. The noose will tighten and tighten as long as we ignorantly welcome conquerors into what was once our nation.

    “We’re lucky the Mexicans are so easygoing.”

    Where I live Mexicans make up a disproportionate number of gangbangers and pedophiles.

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  173. @silviosilver
    America has moved heaven and earth in an effort to make up for past wrongs. When China has done half as much, perhaps then you can talk. Until then, shut up and vacate Tibet, oppressor.

    China has plenty of benefits for the minorities, actually. Beyond that, its none of your business. Hurry up and vacate Colorado: be the shining example.

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