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The Rights of Englishmen, 21st Century multi-culti version:

From the Wall Street Journal:

LONDON—A British man who sent a Twitter message about challenging a Muslim woman over the Brussels attacks has been charged with inciting racial hatred, London police said Friday.

Matthew Doyle, a 46 year old public relations executive from South London, provoked criticism—and some support—after putting his post on the social media platform in the wake of Tuesday’s twin bombings in the Belgian capital that claimed more than 30 lives.

“I confronted a Muslim woman yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said ’Nothing to do with me’. A mealy mouthed reply,” said the post from a Twitter account in Mr. Doyle’s name.

Police arrested Mr. Doyle on Wednesday after widespread reaction to his post.

He has since been charged with a public order offense, namely “publishing or distributing written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, likely or intended to stir up racial hatred,” said the Metropolitan Police in a statement.

Under U.K. law, posting offensive social media messages can be classed as a hate crime and lead to criminal prosecution. …

In an interview with the U.K. newspaper The Daily Telegraph published on Wednesday, Mr. Doyle said he had been arrested for sending the tweet, and defended his actions.

“What everyone’s got wrong about this is I didn’t confront the woman,” Mr. Doyle was quoted as saying by the newspaper. “I just said: ’Excuse me, can I ask what you thought about the incident in Brussels?’”

“She was white, and British, wearing a hijab, and she told me it was nothing to do with her,” he was quoted as saying in the newspaper. ”I said ’thank you for explaining that,’ and her little boy said goodbye to me as we went our separate ways.”

From the Metropolitan Police website today:

Man no longer charged with Section 19 Public Order Act offence

News • Mar 25, 2016 22:52 GMT

Matthew Doyle, 46 (30.12.69) of South Croydon was charged by police on Friday, 25 March, with an offence under Section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986.

Following discussion with the Crown Prosecution Service, Mr Doyle is no longer charged with the offence and will not be appearing at court.

 

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  1. The process is the punishment. The message has been sent to others. Keep your mouth shut. Love diversity or else.

    So far silence buys you peace but the time is not far off when silence will be construed as dissent and peace can only be bought through active support of beloved diversity. We’re already seeing this with the homosexual agenda – declaring that you’re OK with homosexuals doing their own thing in private is now deemed offensive, the proper catechism is that homosexuality is normal and should be celebrated publicly. After all, you’re not a bigot, are you, so why aren’t you loudly proclaiming that you love homosexuals?

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  2. I married into an English family. I find they’re much more inclined and happy to follow someone else’s “rules” and much less likely to say “to hell with it – the law’s an ass.”

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  3. It’s good to know that Scotland Yard has its priorities straight. Diversity or freedom, pick one. The UK has made its pick.

  4. If you asked the average British person to explain Brussels, they would tell you about the Brussels sprouts they eat at Christmas dinner.

    The British laws about what you can and cannot post online are pretty absurd and show just how scared the government is of igniting the racial violence tinderbox. Not surprising as the country has periodic race riots in ethnic enclaves like Brixton, Toxteth, and Tottenham in which les miserables start fires and break plate glass windows to steal training shoes.

    Of course the average law abiding Muslim in Britain is hardly likely to identify with criminal Muslim gang-bangers in Brussels, so you can’t really blame the woman he spoke to. What she shoudl have said is that in the caliphate of ISIS these Belgian guys would never have been released from prison for their former crimes–they would have had their hands cut off, or possibly their heads too.

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  5. … why aren’t you loudly proclaiming that you love homosexuals?

    If you can’t join ‘em, beat ‘em.

  6. “The process is the punishment.”

    Nail on the head.

    There was never any chance of a jury returining a guilty verdict in this case. Just as there wasn’t a couple of years ago when a columnist who argued against gay marriage on a radio programme suffered a visit from her local plod.

    It’s intimidation, pure and simple.

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  7. ….English family. I find they’re much more inclined and happy to follow someone else’s “rules” and much less likely to say “to hell with it – the law’s an ass.”

    This trait is known as being “law-abiding”. It is often considered to be a positive attribute.

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  8. “I confronted a Muslim woman yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said ’Nothing to do with me’. A mealy mouthed reply,” said the post from a Twitter account in Mr. Doyle’s name.

    Police arrested Mr. Doyle on Wednesday after widespread reaction to his post.

    He has since been charged with a public order offense, namely “publishing or distributing written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, likely or intended to stir up racial hatred,” said the Metropolitan Police in a statement.

    The language of the statutory offense is incoherent. It has one conjunction too few and cannot be parsed. Is it “or” or “and” that is supposed to follow “insulting”? A prosecution under such a statute would be unconstitutional in the US, but the English no longer have the rights of Englishmen.

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  9. They can’t arrest everybody. So jam the system. If enough people do it it might even be fun hanging out in jail with your patriot friends. What’s the worst that could happen? I’m reminded of an old Gaelic expression that translates something like “a man with no balls will soon lose everything.”

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  10. Questioning a Muslim woman about Islamic terrorism is called a hate crime.

    Blaming white people for colonialism, slavery, etc.? That’s called elementary school curriculum.

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  11. When the British criminalized self-defense and debated banning pointed knives, you knew their time was up. A society that wedded to collectivism is beyond hope and redemption.

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    So, over privileged white males can no longer disparage those with less institutional power. Boo fucking hoo

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  13. Writing I support Donald Trump for president in chalk on a college campus is considered a hate crime.

    Don’t you just love DIEversity?

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  14. But wait, there’s more:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

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  15. More like obedient, as in a well trained animal.

    The US has something like 2+ million laws. It would be unlikely not to be in violation of a law at any given time.

    I imagine England is in similar shape.

  16. So, over privileged white males can no longer disparage those with less institutional power.

    No one has less institutional power than White men.

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  17. The British laws about what you can and cannot post online are pretty absurd and show just how scared the government is of igniting the racial violence tinderbox.

    How strange, then, that they would build such a tinder box and douse it with lighter fluid!

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  18. The police press statement does not quote the legislative phrasing verbatim, it is:

    A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—

    (a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

    (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

  19. There is no “liberty” in the West any more, at least not like it was understood during Enlightenment. “Liberty” has been replaced by “license.” The cardinal rule is the equality of license, and the cardinal sin of the postmodern West is questioning someone else’s licentiousness.

    The postmodern West is, basically, a soft communism. There are no gulags or firing squads, but defy the “party line” and you will pay for it.

  20. “So, over privileged white males can no longer disparage those with less institutional power. Boo fucking hoo”

    The white male was never “privileged” in the West (certainly not the way males are “privileged” in Islam).

    The Western white male EARNED his superiority by applying the Scientific Method to human problems, and by WORKING to sell the fruits of his labor in the free market.

    Do you think that Edison and Ford and the Wrights prevented females and blacks from inventing and selling phonographs, autos, and aircraft through some kind of “privilege?” Or was it the case that females and blacks never accomplished such things because they were simply less talented and creative than these white men?

    If white men have any “privilege,” at all, it is evolutionary and genetic superiority, not socio-political.

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  21. Sounds like quintessentially English item to me. Obviously he’s wonderfully eccentric to do that. I mean I don’t think I’ve heard of someone doing that here, ever. Which is to say it’s more normal to be a neo nazi than a flak who picks political debates with strange women in public right after a massacre. Dude should just hang out over here.

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  22. The first thing I thought I forget to write and I’m not gonna duck and weave, I mean the Irish invented
    Horse racing and perfected white boxing and obviously Doyle was thinking of the centennial in a way.

  23. A good metaphor for what’s happening, for build a tinderbox is what they have most certainly done. The ultimate goal seems to be a panopticon state presiding over an assortment of mutually hostile races. Everyone’s communications will be monitored, ensuring no white person expresses any objection to the ruin of his country or criticises any other race. The arrest of this man was symbolic and the decision to take no legal action was inevitable (even if tried, he’d have been acquitted). It’s merely an assertion of the state’s power and the ritual degradation of a citizen. People say the pretext for his arrest was ridiculous. That’s true – that was the whole point of it.

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  24. Or like a nice servile slave. If the English had been more inclined to speak up maybe 1500 girls wouldn’t have been forced into sex slavery and raped.

    Sheep.

  25. Boy, this makes me happy I’m living in the US of A and under the First Amendment. Thank you, Founders.

    As corrupted as we are by political correctness, I can’t imagine a police department ever even thinking about going after someone because of this, or of any law ever being imposed on us like this.

    But we will have to keep the SC free of too many wise Latinas.

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  26. Thank you for the clarification.

  27. Try looking at the non-governmental organisations that are providing training and advice to the police on race matters. The usual suspects.

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    This is a side effect of the generational disappearance of gym class in public schools, or having one of those stupid PE classes where all the students do is walk around the block for exercise. All those introverts who got slammed in the face during dodgeball were traumatized by it, but people tend to forget about the side effect. By the time those introverts from previous generations had reached college, they’d been toughened up a bit and given some perspective and a scale on which to judge life’s bad experiences, and they wouldn’t have bothered to make a fuss about Trump’s name on a sidewalk. That would have been far too trivial to bother with because they’d known worse.

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    “So, over privileged white males can no longer disparage those with less institutional power. Boo fucking hoo

    The world just doesn’t work this way. White males are just people. If non-white males think that it’s all about “over privilege”, that’s their problem and there’s only a little that white males can actually do about it. The people crying privilege are probably jealous in their own minds. They are jealous of a phantom in their mind that doesn’t really exist in the real world. They will never not feel inferior and jealous of this phantom.

    This is one reason why diversity isn’t working and it might be better not to even try. Phantom-envious non-white males will never feel they have become fully equivalent of white males; they will never “become white”. They have made white males some sort of angelic or devilish slightly-beyond-human beings that are part of some religious host. The privilege-criers often seem on a religious crusade to be elevated to this plane. Believe Brothers!

    It’s a religious impulse. It’s the idea-equivalent of a bunch of birds all singing the same meaningless song. It’s important to the birds, as a bird who doesn’t sing some version of the group-song will probably get pecked to death.

    “Privilege”, as practiced by modern-PC, in the manner of your comment, is religious. Worse, like a lot of aspects of past religion, it’s both a bad religious impulse and not one that leads to moderation. Ever more witches must be killed.

    “The conflict between science and religion lies in our brains”, News Release: March 23, 2016, Case Western Reserve University:

    “…To believe in a supernatural god or universal spirit, people appear to suppress the brain network used for analytical thinking and engage the empathetic network…

    …“When there’s a question of faith, from the analytic point of view, it may seem absurd,” said Tony Jack, who led the research. “But, from what we understand about the brain, the leap of faith to belief in the supernatural amounts to pushing aside the critical/analytical way of thinking to help us achieve greater social and emotional insight.” …

    …the more empathetic the person, the more likely he or she is religious. …

    …That finding offers a new explanation for past research showing women tend to hold more religious or spiritual worldviews than men. The gap may be because women have a stronger tendency toward empathetic concern than men. …

    …the brain has an analytical network of neurons that enables us to think critically and a social network that enables us to empathize. …

    …all eight experiments indicates empathy is more important to religious belief than analytic thinking is for disbelief.
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    …under the right circumstances religious belief may positively promote scientific creativity and insight,” Jack said. “Many of history’s most famous scientists were spiritual or religious. …

    …suspension of analytical thinking—at the wrong time—can be dangerous…”

    Also “Conflict between science, religion lies in our brains”, ScienceDaily, March 23, 2016.

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  30. It’s a positive attribute when you live in a society where you’re not ruled by lunatics who hate the citizenry.

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    Top Gear’s Jeremy Clarkson was sued for racial discrimination and personal injruy for calling one of his co-workers a “lazy, Irish cunt” and punching him, and ended up settling for more than a 100,000 pounds:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/24/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-producer-bbc-oisin-tymon

    Jeremy Clarkson has apologised to the former Top Gear producer he punched after settling a £100,000 racial discrimination and personal injury claim.

    Oisin Tymon launched the action against Clarkson and the BBC after the presenter gave him a bloody lip in a bust-up last March.

    Clarkson reportedly flew into a rage after being told he could not order a sirloin steak after a day of filming, allegedly calling Tymon a “lazy, Irish cunt” during a confrontation at a hotel in North Yorkshire.

  32. I recently attended a talk given by the British politician and commentator Paul Weston, who has founded a conservative political party, Liberty GB. Weston described the gradual process through which Great Britain became the multicultural mess it is now.

    –First trickle of immigrants after WW II–”Don’t worry, there are so few it will make no difference.”
    –Increasing flow in 1970s and 1980s–”Don’t worry, they’ll assimilate.”
    –Great flood brought in under Tony Blair and after–”Don’t worry, we’re a multicultural society and we must all get along.”
    –Continued flood of immigrants despite their inability to assimilate and responsibility for increased crime, terrorism and riots– “Don’t talk about it, hate speech is against the law.”

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    Steve, any thoughts on the Cruz sex scandal?

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  34. Not regarding the actual tweet, but the actions he said he took (addressing the Muslim woman): This kind of thing is far too dangerous in a Robert Putnam’d society. A person addressing a stranger of visibly different background, with a politically challenging question, ain’t smart.

    Consider this poor guy. Surrounded by, er, ‘youths’ and asked if “black lives matter.” In a Stand Your Ground state, a jury may see that as legal grounds for going full Bernie Goetz.

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  35. Try looking at the non-governmental organisations that are providing training and advice to the police on race matters. The usual suspects.

    http://archive.adl.org/learn/adl_law_enforcement/default.html

    Clearly violative of about 100 Supreme Court rulings.

  36. Consider this poor guy. Surrounded by, er, ‘youths’ and asked if “black lives matter.” In a Stand Your Ground state, a jury may see that as legal grounds for going full Bernie Goetz.

    I wish people would learn what “stand your ground” means. It has nothing to do with your scenario. It has to do with self-defense, and obviously violence in response to fundamental political speech is neither a matter of defense against violence or even a response to “fighting words”. And, even if it were, juries in “stand your ground” states (as an empirical matter) would be less likely than those elsewhere to excuse Blacks who shot people for saying things they didn’t like.

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  37. Punching up/down

  38. Next stage-expulsion or submission

  39. This trait is known as being “law-abiding”. It is often considered to be a positive attribute.

    Yes, of course. The problem, however, is that, having evolved to live as part of a group, and having evolved and been enculturated to trust the group’s authority figures (it’s much more efficient that way!), we are vulnerable to being misled if outsiders can replace or corrupt or otherwise influence those whom we trust.

  40. I wish people would learn what “stand your ground” means. It has nothing to do with your scenario. It has to do with self-defense, and obviously violence in response to fundamental political speech is neither a matter of defense against violence or even a response to “fighting words”.

    Nor.

  41. Meanwhile, away from the horror that is privileged white men asking impertinent questions, some trivial crimes have been occurring. A Glasgow shopkeeper was stabbed to death for wishing his neighbors a happy Easter. Also, the top imam in Scotland voiced his support of Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri, you may recall, assassinated a Pakistani politician who opposed Pakistan’s blasphemy laws, which prescribe death for the offense of blaspheming against mohammedanism.

    Now that’s some speech policing.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35898543

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123

    BONUS, an Iranian immigrant to Germany who sympathized with refugees to the extent of letting some stay in his home, had his head bashed in by an Afghan refugee staying in his home after an argument.

    http://madworldnews.com/liberal-teacher-muslim-refugee/

    In the wake of this tragedy, will the German polizei form a task force to arrest white people who tweet messages that might make Moslems feel uncomfortable?

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  42. Hmm, “She was white, and British,”; what diversity? So all inter-religious criticisms are hate crimes? I see a lot of opportunity for Jewish-christian, catholic-protestant , religious-atheist etc., hate crimes among native British. Richard Dawkins is a hater? He surely disparages religious.

  43. I sense a decline in the quality of iSteve comments over the past 6 months.

    I believe it is due to Trumpism shifting the Overton Window. The smarter commenters have figured out that they can express things elsewhere, and more broadly distributed/read, than in this niche blog (despite the long tail it has).

    Steve? How many sigmas from the center of the Overton Window is your sweet spot? Trump has moved it, quite obviously. Do you need to adjust, perhaps? Again, I see comment quality decline, quite obviously, to tell the truth.

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  44. “Boy, this makes me happy I’m living in the US of A”.
    You should be happy. Those of us in the first world Brit Commonwealths have no free speech.

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  45. Perhaps you miss my point. Supposedly “innocuous on paper” politically/racially loaded questions to outgroup strangers in public can be a red flag for an imminent physical attack. Perhaps you are unaware this is a thing.

    Regarding “stand your ground” laws:

    I’m not talking about what the various laws actually say. I’m guessing what a skillful lawyer defending a hypothetical “Bernie Goetz v2.0” might do to sway a jury. Possible evidence might be factual stories such as these posted throughout various media in this internet age. Exhibit A: World Star Hip Hop fight comps featuring blindside attacks on outnumbered solitary victims. Exhibit B: The same on Liveleak. Actual video of countless attacks, consumed and commented on by the public for years now. Undeniable evidence of a violent society (worldwide) in which certain groups behave in certain ways, sometimes with particular tactics.

    Now, of course, a hijab-wearing woman in London questioned by a solitary man who looks like he works in IT in the City probably has less to worry about than a white guy in DC being accosted by multiple ‘youths.’ Captain Hindsight (me) says he should have stayed in the Micky D’s and called the police to disperse the thugs, but he evidently failed to up his Cooper Code from Yellow to Orange (you do not drop your six).

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  46. Trump should state that he will offer asylum to Canadians, Englishmen, and other Europeans who claim they are oppressed by their countries’ anti-free speech laws.

    Watch the left’s heads spin.

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  47. Perhaps you could enlighten us all with high quality commentary instead acting all b***hurt and asking Sailer to start censoring posters that offend you.

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  48. How does intersectionality deal with the stoning to death of a 13-year old rape victim or the 120,000 cases of FGM known to have occurred in Britain alone? One 12 year old WHITE girl in Oxford was beaten, raped and given a DIY abortion by her tormentors. When she sought help from her FEMINIST social workers, they took the side of the rapists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Aisha_Ibrahim_Duhulow

    Go away, troll, you have nothing to contribute but tired and discredited cliches.

    Try being a woman in Afghanistan and you might learn to appreciate white men. YOU don’t deserve us.

    Truly contemptible.

  49. So, over privileged [sic] white males…

    What do GLAAD and the Human Rights Campaign have to do with this?

    By the way, you’re missing a hyphen, so we know you’re not a virgin.

  50. Ethnically homogenous collectivism is not as bad.

  51. “She was white, and British, wearing a hijab…”

    She was white and British. Now she is wearing a hijab.

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    The irony is that Britain’s state broadcaster – the BBC – incessantly runs rather smug and patronising reports from China and Russia, to name but two examples, in its flagship 10 O’Clock news program, bewailing ‘state oppression’ and ‘human rights abuses’.

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    If Matthew Doyle had received a ‘good telling off’ – or a ‘police caution’ is it is termed in the UK by a senior police officer telling him what he did was rather ‘below the salt’, and the police just left at that, that would be one thing.

    But an actual *arrest*? – which, of course, means being ‘banged up’ in a police cell, DNA, photographs and fingerprints take, belt and belongings taken away, criminal charges etc.

  54. I sense a decline in the quality of iSteve comments over the past 6 months

    You could reverse this trend by upping the quality of your own.

  55. It’s only a slight difference. In the USA, censorship is outsourced to private entities. If you don’t mind losing your job, you might be better off here. Most people would rather not lose their house and impoverish their families to express a political opinion.

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  56. The poster now has an “arrest record.” The intimidation point has been made. How many people contemplating expressing their genuine opinion of Muslims and immigrants will now refrain from doing so to avoid confronting police?

  57. Be gone, troll!

  58. Very good comment! Another metaphor is that they’re sitting on a powder keg and have to do all they can to prevent sparks in the form of race realist comments.

  59. You’re one Supreme Court justice away from a “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment, and with the product the law schools are churning out today, I predict you’ll see it within five years.

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  60. Matthew Doyle, 46 (30.12.69) of South Croydon

    So now everyone knows his name, date of birth, and location. The British police didn’t believe for a second that he could be charged for his tweet. It was intimidation pure and simple.

    Every white man should think about this. Do we owe anything to a society which discriminates against us, and which is actually organizing our demographic replacement? In my humble opinion, we don’t.

  61. There was never any chance of a jury returning a guilty verdict in this case.

    No, there wasn’t, because this particular offence is tried in a Magistrates’ Court, where there is no jury. The traitors who voted for this law in the Parliament made sure that that ancient bulwark of English liberties was not available to anyone accused of the offence.

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  62. So let me get this straight. The conflict between science and religion lies in our brains? That reminds me of how Bob Marley died because he thought the religion was in his toe, or something.

    The reason I like ISteve is because I’m innumerate and Steve knows the stats that matter and he’s clever and but best of all, for some STEM guys, no one much says ‘religion is stupid. and don’t get me started on faith!’ (Razib maintains his own domain I understand.)

    But well I’ve sat on this fact long enough long enough for all the opines I make. Science over religion huh. Well, there are what they call ionized orbs that exist. They show up in photos at night, and their energy is detectable by gizmos that detect energy in the atmosphere. They are a scientific fact for the scientist who know the science of them. If you have Netflix watch the Pyramid Codes. They like the pyramids.

    Many people have claimed to see them lit up and their are videos you can whatch of them. What I like best is when the scientist says, and they seem to stick together, float around together. I like it when he says that, because he knows what it means and he likes what it means but he knows he can’t betray any zealotry: that they stick together means they have minds, they don’t float around like floating dice.

    But absolutely, keep us up to date with the latest on the human brain, and its effect on culture. But is stuff like that what you actually worship?

  63. To abide by unjust laws is to perpetuate injustice.

  64. If you are so intelligent, why are you positing such false dichotomies?

    Those inventors did not prevent anyone from anything but it’s undeniable that women and blacks didn’t exactly have access to the same educations then.

    As Isaac Newton, whose accomplishments presumably outnumber yours by quite a bit, said: “If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”

    When you deny undeniable historical facts, no thinking person will want to listen to your controversial opinions. Comments like yours makes me almost happy we live in the cultural marxist dystopia we do. If people like you had power we would live in another type of dystopia.

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  65. I sense a decline in the quality of iSteve comments over the past 6 months.

    I see you’ve commented here for 4 months. Which particularly erudite commenters have left? Seems to me we’ve got basically the same crew we’ve had here for a long while, with some new arrivals. From my perspective, Komment Kontrol’s Overton window has shifted a lot over the last 5 years. Comments about repatriation used to get blocked. Now they are passed. It seems to me that there are equally extreme comments on other sites, but there is a lot of well-meaning but low IQ commentary, e.g. on Breitbart. I don’t comment there though, and see no point in it. I had an account once a few years ago at the DM, but one comment I made there got me kill-filed apparently. Their loss.

    I agree that iSteve does inform a lot of discussion that happens around the blogosphere and the online newspaper comments sections. But it’s still here where the distilled discussion takes place. You can pretty much assume most people here know a lot about HBD, have read The Bell Curve, etc. This is not really the case in most other venues.

    It does seem like a lot of the points to make on a site like this have already been made. However, the larger world moves more slowly, even with the arrival of Trump. At the end of the day, we do not know what Trump will do, but his arrival signals an emergence of the alt-right from the shadows, and that’s a good thing.

    It sure was enjoyable to tell my liberal mother-in-law that I would vote for Trump, when she asked. I suspect she has seen my views on race and immigration etc. as a sign of mental illness, and I have not really pushed the case. However, as is usual I’m a few years ahead of the curve. In this case, about 12 or so. It wasn’t mental illness, it was prescience. It looks like the majority of the white population in the USA will be voting for Trump in 2016. Trump looks to have staked out a Citizenist position, a soft-core alt-right, a more mainstream version of Steve’s own SWPL Stormfront. I am sick of being called a xenophobe, a racist, a nazi, etc. for my views and there are millions along with me who are sick of it too. There is a tectonic shift taking place. The next decade will be very interesting.

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  66. I’m not sure these throwaway puppet obvious trolls add much value to the site. One might hope they were IP banned.

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  67. Cite

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  68. People, even in England itself, forget how little of this censorship there was before the turn of the century. Americans would be shocked at some public comments regarding race made before that. Hardly a day went by without the left being upset about some manifestation of racism, but nobody heeded their complaints.

    When the black rioter Winston Silcott was being led off to start a life sentence for killing a policeman in 1987, the Daily Star columnist Ray Mills remarked that he looked like someone who wouldn’t look out of place in a cage eating bananas. Mills wasn’t sacked nor suspended, let alone arrested, for what he said.

    In 1989 the Tory MP Terry Dicks said black immigration ruined neighbourhoods and led to an increase in things like pimping and drug dealing. He said ” If they [blacks] want to go back to Africa then we can give them some ladders and they can climb up the trees if they want to.” He wasn’t censured by his party in any way, and he went on being re-elected till his retirement in 1997.

    The tabloids would run stories about the “loony left” (usually in the form of local councils) and their anti-racist and anti-sexist policies. The far left was treated mostly as an object of ridicule. Even the most “conservative” newspapers now cravenly accept its ideology as mainstream.

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  69. “In the wake of this tragedy, will the German polizei form a task force to arrest white people who tweet messages that might make Moslems feel uncomfortable?”

    Interestingly, Germany is miles back behind Britain w.r.t. suppressing free speech. That’s mostly because Britains were told that being essentially a free country they ought to trust their police and their government. Whereas the German constitution was formed around the idea that one mustn’t trust one’s police and government, but control them by jurisdiction and judges. And this tradition, even as it is disappearing more and more, has made Germany rather old-fashioned in matters of free speech.

  70. Great comment. I’ve been reading iSteve for years and only recently decided to start contributing to the conversation. It’s got to be a lot of work filtering out the flotsam and making this a place worth visiting, so hats off to Steve for all his efforts!

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  71. Supposedly Merkle took selfies with a Brussels attacker

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2674805.html

    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2735766

    http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3176691&mc=2&forum_id=2

    I don’t speak or read Russian, so your guess on how legit this is, is as good as mine

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  72. Trolls should only get the answers they deserve: that they are trolls.

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    Got to say that from that lady’s perspective some dude asking her about a terrorist attack and saying “nothing do so with me” was indeed mealy mouthed. British manners have traditionally not included accosting random strangers on the street. “Nothing to do with me you rude jumped-up sod” would have been more appropriate.

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  74. His arrest is obviously stupid. So let me get that out of the way right now. Past that, however, his “questioning” of the woman is a punk move. [It's not passive-aggressive per se, rather it's punk-aggressive.]

    Why not ask a man? Are there no male Muslims this guy could query? Instead, he feels it necessary to question a woman…with her child no less.

    Blather all you want about political correctness run amok, you can’t deny the woman might have felt intimidated. Seriously, if a Muslim man started questioning my wife about drone strikes, we’re going to have a problem. And this isn’t about being macho, Muslim, or sexist.

    Whatever. If you’re a dude, and you want to discuss incendiary political issues with strangers, then don’t pursue your “questioning” with a lone woman and her child. Punk.

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  75. Policing speech is a complex subject, and I’m aware that these “anti hate speech” laws have never been intended to be enforced in a neutral fashion (free hateful speech for me but not for thee), and I think Islamic presence in the UK has had an overwhelmingly negative net effect.

    But I can’t get too worked up over the idea of this guy getting arrested if he did actually tweet that. Going up to strangers and picking fights with them over what their correligionists did has no place in society.

    What I don’t understand is why the article directly contradicts itself. Or at least Doyle did. In the tweet he apparently explicitly said he confronted the woman. Then when interviewed later he explicitly denied confronting her. Does the article address this cobtradiction? It’s behind a paywall.

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  76. The white man who was arrested has more institutional power?

  77. “The traitors who voted for this law in the Parliament made sure that that ancient bulwark of English liberties was not available to anyone accused of the offence.”

    Juries have been removed from all but the most serious of crimes where a person’s liberty could be most seriously forfeit, e.g. life or more than ten years, but “short” stays in prison are the decision of a judge or panel of judges.

    This is a response to two thorny issues, the first being the sheer cost of jury trials and trials in general in a society with increasing crime of all sorts, and the second is to remove the likelihood of jury nullification in an increasingly diverse society where this was seen to be the only likely way to a “fair” outcome at the hands of TPTB.

  78. “You have the right to free
    Speech as long as you’re not
    Dumb enough to actually try it.”

    Joe Strummer

  79. Just reading this and thinking what a sheer waste of life those two World Wars were.

  80. So, over privileged white males can no longer disparage those with less institutional power. Boo fucking hoo

    You seem confused about who has more institutional power. This seems to be a fundamental characteristic of leftists: preference for their narrative over reality.

    Protip: the one with the legal protections has more institutional power.

    A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—

    (a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

    (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

    The UK gov’t’s program is to stir up racial hatred of whites, white men in particular. This is intended, of course, but even if it isn’t, the UK gov’t is guilty under (b); it’s obvious that making white men the villains of history is likely to stir up racial hatred against them.

    Anarcho-Tyranny; inciting racial hatred is okay when the gov’t does it. Multi-culti gov’ts can’t even obey their own laws.

    Every white man should think about this. Do we owe anything to a society which discriminates against us, and which is actually organizing our demographic replacement? In my humble opinion, we don’t.

    On the contrary, I think we owe it a lot, and none of it good.

  81. He has since been charged with a public order offense, namely “publishing or distributing written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, likely or intended to stir up racial hatred,” said the Metropolitan Police in a statement.

    Funny, but Britain’s fascist speech laws make me hate their gov’t and political class, not to mention the aliens that benefit from them.

  82. OT This is an example of what happens when you pay attention by half in the age of twitter. I saw Ted Cruz basically take a canard cake and smash it all over his face in front of a live camera and then yell at Donald Trump for being the National Inquirer. I’ve never seen such a thing. Then I get that Teds hacks put out a pinup ad or something of Trumps wife. Then I heard Trump suggesting beans were what Ms Cruz didn’t want to clean up. But Ted thought he was talking about girlfriends, or was mad he said his wife had boyfriends. Initially I heard boyfriends. Spill the beans on her. Then Cruz goes WWF like no voter ever imagined. The papers didn’t cover that though. I saw an awful picture of Ms Cruz straining herself. Trump brags in that vein. And out all that comes the fact that Ted Cruz is married to a woman who runs marathons for the Republican Party on a flotilla or something. Twitter is like a pure democracy in hell: the voting just never stops.

  83. Depends. If you’re a plumber in Alabama or something where you don’t work in an office and your customers are OK with it, you can probably get away with it.

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  84. This trait is known as being “law-abiding”. It is often considered to be a positive attribute.

    And like all ostensibly good traits, it can be taken too far. Its also one thing to submit to a just authority, and very much another to submit to an arbitrary, pernicious, and immoral tyranny.

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  85. There has been an overall increase in comments since the move to Unz.com and with it an increase in not-worth-posting comments (some of them from me, I’m afraid). However, I still find the signal-to-noise ratio here to be high enough that the comment threads are worth reading.

    There are also more trolls on iSteve than there ever used to be, wasting everyone’s time with their drivel, but I suppose that’s their intent. I used to follow Ann Althouse’s blog, which had a tireless troll named Ritmo. He once explained why he did what he did. It was illuminating to me.

    Ritmo said: It’s good to know that the stupidest threads are just ripe for the threadjacking. I’ll be sure to leave a trail of turds on every one of the brain droppings here that suit my fancy. Getting you shit-eaters to complain about the taste after opening your mouths wide and saying “Ahhhh…” to every bad idea under the sun is very satisfying, I must admit.

  86. “Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.”

  87. It’s only a slight difference. In the USA, censorship is outsourced to private entities. If you don’t mind losing your job, you might be better off here. Most people would rather not lose their house and impoverish their families to express a political opinion.

    I wonder how many people would’ve kept their jobs, if they’d merely followed my policy ie., no social media connections to co-workers? But that requires some actual discipline and social finesse. Its so much easier to just accept friend requests from the other cubicle serfs (or whatever), and then complain that you’ve lost effective access to freedom of speech.

  88. According to the Guardian, the deceased shopkeeper put on his Facebook page :

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/25/asad-shah-glasgow-tributes-shopkeeper-stabbed-to-death

    “Good Friday and a very Happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation … Let’s follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ and get the real success in both worlds.”

    It appears another Muslim took offence at this and killed him. But in a city where the chief imam calls an Islamist assassin “a true Muslim“, is this surprising?

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14383412.Imam_at_Scotland_s_biggest_mosque_praises_Islamist_assassin/?ref=mr&lp=2

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  89. The Wright brothers got all the credit for powered flight, but in fact they piggy backed on the achievements of my great-great-great-grandfather who invented powered flight and did a 500 mile transocean flight in a device powered by hot air and a clockwork propeller 80 years before the Wright brothers. (I can claim a share of his genes.) I resent the claim on the North Carolina car tags that the Tarheels were “First in Flight”. Wrong, not the Wrights.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Monck_Mason

  90. any thoughts on the Cruz sex scandal?

    All the candidates have sexual secrets of one kind or another. They should just call it a wash and leave it out of the election.

  91. You don’t need Muslims to have a lack of liberty. Didn’t the Sex Pistols and their fans come under increasing physical attack after they started performing God Save the Queen? Eugene V Debs was imprisoned for objecting to the draft during WWI.

  92. No one has less institutional power than White men.
    This is not, strictly speaking, true. Almost all the people at the apex of these organizations are white men. So it’s a very facile judgment to ascribe THEIR power to all white men; you can use this ascription to your advantage if you lack that power if you know what you are doing.

    But MOST white men are lower on the hierarchy than plenty of other groups.

  93. There used to be a cadre of commenters on the old blog who, no matter what the subject of the post was, would blame everything on the Jews. There seems to be less of that lately.

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  94. They’re getting more ambitious

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12204863/Brussels-terror-attacks-nuclear-isil-suspects-victims-latest.html

    “A security guard who worked at a Belgian nuclear facility was murdered two days after the Brussels bombings, according to reports, but prosecutors have denied that the killing was related to terrorism.

    The prosecutor’s office in the city of Charleroi, south of Brussels, also denied a report in the newspaper Derniere Heure that his work pass was stolen, according to the Belga news agency.

    The report raised concerns that the Brussels bombers had wanted to build a radioactive dirty bomb — but apparently shelved the plan after security was stepped up at Belgium’s nuclear plants following intelligence warnings.

    It was not the first time that fears of a terror threat to Belgium’s creaky nuclear power plants were raised.

    In 2013, an engineer from Doel 4, one of the nuclear reactors of a power plant near Anvers, was sacked over concerns that he had been radicalised after he refused to shake his superior’s hand.

    The nuclear company, Electrabel, said: ”He was no longer compatible with the values of Electrabel.”

    In January, L’Echo magazine revealed that the man in question was the brother-in-law of Azzedine Kbir Bounekoub, a jihadist involved with Sharia4Belgium, who left Belgium to join Isil in Syria in 2012 under the nom de guerre of Abu Abdullah. He is known for having frequently called on Isil sympathisers to launch terror attacks in Belgium.

    In another disturbing incident, a turbine at the same Doel 4 reactor was sabotaged in 2014. Someone deliberately turned security cameras the other way and then emptied 65,000 litres of oil used to lubricate the turbine. “Then they put the lid back on to make everyone think all was well,” according to Eloi Glorieux, a nuclear expert at Greenpeace Belgium. “

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  95. When do we finally start openly mocking all the Europeans who sit on their hands while their women and children are raped by African invaders? Seriously, how much of a coward must you be to see your own wife and daughters raped and do *nothing* about it? To see your son beaten within an inch of his life and/or raped by an alien invader and respond with merely a shrug and another vote for Merkel and more of the same? That’s not manhood. The cuckoldry is bad enough, but utterly failing to defend ones own blood is beyond contemptible. And whining about “consequences” is a cop-out. The consequences exist only because the men are too cowardly to defend their homes and families.

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  96. I used to follow Ann Althouse’s blog, which had a tireless troll named Ritmo. He once explained why he did what he did.

    Makes no sense to me. Silence is a form of assent. If you ignore the person crapping on the floor, others might get the mistaken impression that you’re okay with it. Doesn’t mean you have to get into a debate with the guy over the merits of crapping on the floor, mind you. Just tell him he’s a piece of shit and move on.

    The trolls here are racist scumbags who hate us. That’s their motivation.

  97. In 2013, an engineer from Doel 4, one of the nuclear reactors of a power plant near Anvers, was sacked over concerns that he had been radicalised after he refused to shake his superior’s hand.

    Ah, so there are a few limits left to political correctness. Good to know.

  98. Indoctrination on speed…

    “The College of Arts and Science at Mizzou announced Wednesday that undergraduates will now have to complete three credit-hours of “diversity intensive” (DI) courses in order to graduate, saying the courses will focus on “understanding differing social groups” and “will explore at least one form of social inequality, broadly defined.”

    The pay is good…

    “The various diversity initiatives being pursued at Mizzou will be overseen by Kevin McDonald, who was appointed Wednesday to serve as the university’s first Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer. McDonald, who previously served in a similar role at the Rochester Institution of Technology, will receive a starting salary of $235,000 to fill the position created in response to the demands of student protesters.”

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7412

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  99. I guess you could call it the “No true Muslim fallacy.” Except, when adherence to a norms against “blasphemy” (eg wishing one’s Christian neighbors & customers a happy Easter) is enforced by death, then it isn’t so fallacious.

    You can spend a lot of time arguing about Islam is supposed to be (religion of peace or whatever), but observably what it is, is a culture that uses ruthless violence to enforce adherence to it’s insular norms. There may be lots of tolerant Moslems in Glasgow or Pakistan, but they get regular lessons to keep their mouths shut and let the ruthless “True Muslims” do their jobs.

  100. The police and prosecutors love laws like this because they allow them to actually do something. All other laws are virtually ignored in the UK. Robberies, muggings, car thefts, assaults, manslaughter are barely punished in the UK. Crimes committed by Muslims are not punished at all, even rapes. Everyone likes to feel useful, including the police. And in this kind of law, they are free to bring the hammer down.

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  101. People, even in England itself, forget how little of this censorship there was before the turn of the century.

    And less, before the turn of the previous century:

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/CarlyleThomas-1901v16-00293

    Let’s thank Ron for his open mind!

  102. Perhaps you miss my point.

    I did indeed. Sorry about that.

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  103. Said the Indiana pizza maker pulling down $50k a year.

  104. “It’s intimidation, pure and simple.”

    And in classic liberal/feminist fashion, they don’t see themselves as intimidators. Because the iron fist is hidden – the law sends men with guns and tasers and handcuffs and prisons. This method dates from the early 19th century and the intertwined movements of temperance and women’s suffrage.

  105. Is this… Yes! Another single-comment troll! I’m two for two this week.

    I wonder if the incidence of single commenters is increasing, possibly as this site becomes more widely known and read.

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  106. Trump should state that he will offer asylum to Canadians, Englishmen, and other Europeans who claim they are oppressed by their countries’ anti-free speech laws.

    Watch the left’s heads spin.

    I don’t think there’s enough room in the human rectum for a head to spin.

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  107. Well, that was eye-opening. Apparently

    Bitterness about being born female
    +
    Bitterness about being born black
    —————————————–
    4x bitterness and absolution from failing to try hard to succeed at anything

    This is a perfect storm of female narcissism and race hatred; this is where these English multiculti laws are coming from.

  108. This method works for everyone. It worked for Gandhi and his movement in Indian prisons, it works for criminal gangs in American prisons and it worked for ISIS in Iraq’s military prisons.

  109. Yeah, why don’t we have this kind of thing in America?

    Because we have Republicans, and they stop it. Not because they do anything heroic or brilliant but because they exist in the first place. And as part of the ordinary sausage-making in the legislatures and judicial nominations, that sort of thing never gets the chance to come up.

    That’s not necessarily going to be the case at all if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination.

    It’s cool for some Trump supporters to think that they have nothing to lose by the destruction of the Republican Party but that’s miles away from being true.

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  110. Your idea of ‘outsourced censorship’ strikes me as a difference and a distinction with the Brit example. In the US, if you keep your mouth shut, in the workplace, wrt sex, religion, and politics–limiting your workplace comments to the work for which you’re paid–it doesn’t appear to me as outsourced censorship so much as good manners, with a view towards social harmony in the workplace. The Brit wasn’t in his workplace, nor conducting himself with a co-worker.

    Granted, a US worker might find himself in hot water wrt to his employment should he make a sufficient spectacle of himself outside the workplace, but that extends to all kinds of behavior beyond the concept of free speech, e.g. gross, indecent, or criminal conduct–US operating, for the most part, under the concept of ‘at will’ employment. If you find yourself to be suffering ‘outsourced censorship,’ you might want to find a different employment situation, considering the right to contract in private (non-government, non-union) employment is a two-way street.

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  111. Sabotage would be the obvious operant risk at a nuke plant. Accessing nuclear material for the purpose of a dirty bomb would be far fetched–it’s not like the stuff in the containment vessel can walk out the front door.

  112. “No one has less institutional power than White men.”

    That’s because no one has more innate power than White men.

  113. Sharp comment.

    Jeremy Bentham, who invented the Panopticon, was hugely upset that what he described as an over-powerful and arbitrary elite, lead by the King, had rejected his idea for a cylindrical prison with a hidden gaoler at the centre anonymously spying on the prisoners. The crux of the scheme was that the prisoners could never know when they were being spied upon.

    This early 19th Century radical was oblivious to the irony of his wanting absolute control over the prisoners and in the future paupers, children, workers, etc..

    Interestingly he envisaged running Panopticons himself and making significant profits; like modern British liberals who seek to profit from their social engineering. Tony Blair anyone?

    (Edmund Burke’s reaction when shown the plans was to call the gaoler “the spider in the web”. the scheme was widely regarded as eccentric and unworkable even 200 years ago. But then again they had not imagined CCTV in which Britain leads the world.)

    The Panopticon is a wonderful example of how coldly cruel and blind liberals can be. Jeremy is still with us albeit in a glass box that can be viewed in the University of London. As per his will was body was preserved and dressed in his clothes. (The mummification did not take well so the head is wax, or something; but his skeleton and hair are real.)

    Take a gander in 3D:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/who/autoicon/Virtual_Auto_Icon

    (Gertrude Himmelfarb has a good chapter on Bentham’s Panopticon in her Victorian Minds, which I just checked for the above information.)

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  114. Sure, but as you point out, there are many fewer protections for workers under US law. Your average worker can link to a liberal essay on ‘white privilege’, but not to one of Jared’s essays on black crime.

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  115. Razib called it shooting from your hip one time. I think that’s apt. I do it impulsively more or less. Half the fun of writing these for me is a lyrical exercise. Largely because the issues rarely change and the arguments are redundant. And the only point I think I really have a perspective to hit upon is the constancy of citizenism. Because I happen to believe there is a way to talk the black liberals down from many of their victimisms by about 30 percent. Generally I would say I think you can be a public intellectual or you can be a writer, and at the end each one winds up thinking they’re the other. Irving Krystol wound up with purely writerly sentiments, and that’s when I started noticing the pattern. Joe Sobran considered himself a moralist by the end but he was a writer when he started. Take anyone really and you can see that pattern. You grow more serious or more frivolous. That’s what makes bloggers different. They straddle. Steve straddles. Citizenism? Pissh. I can’t remember when Steve last took a moral position that wasn’t pragmatism. Like don’t be sarcastic about black stereotypes. But no that’s not me telling him because he’s effective. And he’s from California. How many of those writers are there? I don’t know.

  116. Quite. And the chief Imam for Glasgow was visited last year by the leader of the Scottish National Party, following the unfortunate events in Paris, who told him that Islam had nothing to do with terrorism and was a religion of peace.

    For like all go-ahead modern political leaders in the West the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon is an expert on how the world’s 1.7 billion Muslims interpret the Koran and what they think about the non-Muslim world.

  117. What Hilary’s sex secret then?

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  118. Aristotle said that there are two flaws for each virtue – one of too little virtue and the other of too much virtue. For instance, courage is a virtue, but cowardice and recklessness are not.

  119. I’m sorry, but this Matthew Doyle guy sounds like a jerk. You don’t walk up to a random stranger, Muslim or not, and confront them. If you do, you’re a jerk. If the stranger is a woman, that makes you a coward too.

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  120. Europeans have depended on their institutions to defend and/or avenge them. It has the advantage of avoiding blood feuds. If you try to defend family members individually, you’ll find yourself facing 5-10 adversaries and you’ll almost certainly lose the fight. Even worse, today, you’ll find your institutions have turned against you.

    There are three possible solutions: (1) Europeans can turn their own institutions back around and inflict collective punishment on the communities that perpetrate these attacks; (2) Europeans can form rival unofficial groups and fight the Muslims in the streets (these will resemble biker gangs and soccer hooligans); or (3) Europeans will be displaced and margnialized (save for the very rich and powerful elite) in what were previously their countries. My personal prediction is option 3.

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  121. This is quite shocking. Obviously Jihadists should be free to explode a nuclear dirty bomb rather than us run the risk of making Muslims feel awkward or unwanted.

  122. The late Sam Francis coined the term “anarcho-tyranny” to describe exactly this form of behavior.

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    Surely not *that* Kevin McDonald?

  124. blame everything on the Jews. There seems to be less of that lately.

    I’ve noticed that too. Maybe they’ve migrated to Girardi (whom, like me before Steve moved to unz, they’d never heard of).

    Derb also attracts alot of Jew-on-the-brain psychos, which is surprising considering Derb isn’t like that at all. I suspect there it’s a sign that Derb has his comment-approval mechanism set to autopilot.

    One more reason I’m disappointed with Derb at unz.com. If he took the trouble to weed out the garbage, he could develop just as high-quality a commentariat as Steve. (Oh yeah, the other reason I’m disappointed with Derb is that he doesn’t post often enough.)

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  125. OT, but I hadn’t realised yellow fever had hit the US Navy this badly. Can’t they pay for their own R&R?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/03/25/highest-ranking-navy-officer-yet-facing-prison-time-in-sex-for-secrets-scandal/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal

    “In a statement filed in federal court this week, Dusek admitted to “succumbing to the temptations before me” by giving classified information to Glenn Defense Marine Asia, a Singapore-based contractor, as part of a scheme to fleece the Navy of tens of millions of dollars.

    In his statement, he said a “senior officer who was a friend and a mentor” introduced him in 2010 to the owner of Glenn Defense Marine Asia, Leonard Glenn Francis, a charismatic figure known in Navy circles as “Fat Leonard.” The unnamed senior officer described Francis as “a great friend of the Navy” and influenced Dusek to trust and work closely with the contractor.

    Francis pleaded guilty to bribery charges last year and is cooperating with U.S. investigators. He has admitted to systematically bribing “scores” of Navy personnel by plying them with prostitutes, envelopes of cash, stays at resorts and Epicurean feasts when their ships docked at ports throughout Asia.

    In a fresh revelation, Dusek said Francis went so far as to purchase a decommissioned British naval vessel and turned it into a party boat to entertain top U.S. Navy officials. The ship, originally known as the RFA Sir Lancelot, was rechristened the Glenn Braveheart after Francis bought it in 2003.

    Dusek also said that Francis had a traveling squad of prostitutes and strippers — dubbed his “Thai SEAL Team” — who accompanied him to greet U.S. ships as they arrived in Asian ports.”

    RFA Sir Lancelot has certainly changed since she was in the Falklands war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Sir_Lancelot_%28L3029%29

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  126. We’ve had equal opportunity for women in education for longer than I have been alive. And yet, science and technology is still male dominated. Most FOSS for example… it is written by males. Curie, Lovelace, Rosalind Franklin, Thatcher… it is still a rarity when a woman succeeds on her own merits in a male dominated field. And I see no real increase at the very top. This leftist idea that a white boys club has been rejecting women and blacks from contributing is flawed. Mean aptitude and interest is the better explanation.

    Genetics informs culture. Blacks in general aren’t interested in STEM and it is not white society’s job to push the square pegs of the world into round holes so that SJWs can get their jollies.

  127. You do realize, I hope, that being a jerk is not an arrestable offense, right?

    So what is your point?

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  128. “This trait is known as being “law-abiding”.”

    No, it’s known as being “servile”.

  129. Thanks for your acknowledgement. To me the golden era was when Steve was still writing his definitive articles on race, IQ, income, HBD and the like. Around the same time, La Griffe was publishing his early ground breaking stuff. About a decade ago. It is still fun and addictive to comment here though. Too addictive. Hats off to Steve.

  130. “I sense a decline in the quality of iSteve comments over the past 6 months.”

    I myself sensed a decline the moment I read one of your comments.

    “I believe it is due to Trumpism shifting the Overton Window. The smarter commenters have figured out that they can express things elsewhere, and more broadly distributed/read, than in this niche blog (despite the long tail it has).”

    I think the smarter commenters would realize that the so-called Overton Window has not really shifted at all, and that one still risks his social and even occupational position by expressing the kind of opinions that are often expressed here and at similar sites. As far as I can tell, the range of opinions that may be expressed is only getting narrower. Now, North Carolinians are considered to be horrible, white-hooded bigots simply for considering a law that would continue the historical custom that women should not have to share a bathroom with a dude, just becuase he puts on a sundress and calls himself Nancy.

  131. You seem to be working with an unusual definition of the word “coward”.

  132. Identifying male Muslims is much harder due to lack of hijab. But frankly, a question of a stranger is orders of magnitude less rude and inappropriate than a Muslim male grabbing the ass of an unaccompanied white female, let alone sexual assault or rape.

  133. “The process is the punishment. The message has been sent to others. Keep your mouth shut. Love diversity or else.”

    Of course this “law” chills free speech. I recommend keep saying what you want and raise hell. Now, you do realize that unless you are a “pure bred”, i.e. completely English, or French, or Italian, you celebrate “diversity” if you trace your heritage to several ethnic groups.

    “the proper catechism is that homosexuality is normal and should be celebrated publicly.”

    Here’s the deal…some people who skew liberal feel that way, and other people who skew liberal believe it is something that one keeps to themselves.

  134. Silly Fat Leonard. Didn’t he know you have to be a lot closer to the Pentagon to fleece their budget of tens of millions of dollars?

  135. Interesting title: Liberty vs. Diversity. It reminds you of one of our founding slogans. Does diversity then equal death in that scenario? Give me liberty or give me diversity!

  136. “The ultimate goal seems to be a panopticon state presiding over an assortment of mutually hostile races.”

    [Sigh] Your metaphor rests on the assumption that indeed the races are bitter toward one another and that the intention of the government is to directly or indirectly supervise, at all costs, the “white man” from commenting on conditions in the country without any recourse.

    “The arrest of this man was symbolic and the decision to take no legal action was inevitable (even if tried, he’d have been acquitted).”

    It wasn’t symbolic, it was stupid.

    “It’s merely an assertion of the state’s power and the ritual degradation of a citizen.”

    I thought victimization was an SJW tenet.

    Bill B…

    “The Panopticon is a wonderful example of how coldly cruel and blind liberals can be.”

    Replace “liberals” with “people” and that would be accurate.

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  137. Is this… Yes! Another single-comment troll! I’m two for two this week.

    I wonder if the incidence of single commenters is increasing, possibly as this site becomes more widely known and read.

    Trump seems to have turned over a rock that had a lot of slimy bugs underneath.

    Like Boethius, the 100% Trump-Troll.

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  138. “I’d like Derb more if he’d censor people who notice inconvenient things about my tribe”

  139. Just for the benefit of others, that is not CofC Kevin B McDonald.

  140. “No one has less institutional power than White men.”

    When it comes to racial identity politics, White men do not have much power.

    When it comes to household income, White men have a lot of power as not many other demographic groups earn more than White men on average.

  141. “There used to be a cadre of commenters on the old blog who, no matter what the subject of the post was, would blame everything on the Jews. There seems to be less of that lately.”

    The Left paints Donald Trump supporters as Nazis but if you go to the comments section of Breitbart which is way more pro-Donald Trump than The Unz, they do not bash Jews anywhere near as much as The Unz. They largely leave Jews alone on the Breitbart comments section.

    On The Unz, Steve Sailer can write a blog about golf courses in Scotland & England or a blog about Paul Walker and someone like Anon will still somehow find a way to invoke Jews into that topic.

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  142. Ford had access to an education? He was born on a farm. At 16 he left home and went to work for the Flowers Machine Shop in Detroit. At 33 he built an automobile in a shed behind his home.

  143. As do so many others, you’re mistaking privilege with a legacy of achievement. It’s your problem; deal with it.

  144. I’ve noticed that too. I blame it on the Jews.

  145. It’s not like those right wing volkisch voters are going anywhere. They are a majority of voters in the majority of congressional districts. They have been poorly served by 2 decades (at the very least) of Republicans. Hopefully whatever results actually delivers to its base.

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  146. “The various diversity initiatives being pursued at Mizzou will be overseen by Kevin McDonald, who was appointed Wednesday to serve as the university’s first Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer. McDonald, who previously served in a similar role at the Rochester Institution of Technology, will receive a starting salary of $235,000 to fill the position created in response to the demands of student protesters.”

    And amazingly enough Kevin McDonald is black. So much dead wood in university administrations these days and in this case it is taxpayer funded.

  147. “I predict you’ll see it within five years.”

    You’re quite the optimist .

  148. I second Anonym’s reply. Tell me a reliable way to distinguish a male Muslim from a non-Muslim and I don’t think this guy would’ve been a shrinking violet. As it is, most male Muslims simply look Asian. Female Muslims can be picked out from a mile away.

  149. What Hilary’s sex secret then?

    Obstruction of justice, perhaps. A hazy understanding of consent.

  150. People are allowed to disagree with you, you know. This isn’t Jezebel.

  151. The Republican party isn’t going to be destroyed.

    They might have a hard time winning the presidency for a few decades, but it’s going to be hard to displace every Republican congressman from the House and Senate.

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  152. Most Nazis are Trump supporters, but most Trump supporters are not Nazis.

    The reason why’s pretty obvious–I’d guess maybe about 30% of Americans are Trump supporters, but Nazis are maybe 3% of the American public (if you mean hardcore racialists) or .3% (if you mean supporters of fascism).

  153. Derb basically agrees with the psychos in a positive sense, but not in a normative sense–he’s not *personally* anti-Semitic. (You get the sense that he doesn’t *want* to be, if you read enough of his stuff.) I’m willing to guess whatever circles he runs in are heavily Jewish and he doesn’t feel good about saying nasty things about his dentist, oncologist, teacher, and so on, who he knows to be perfectly good people in everyday life with some annoying views. Remember, he lives in Long Island.

    The point is that unless you follow politics closely, anti-Semitism seems like kind of a weird prejudice–you know you have to stay out of the black neighborhoods, but your tax accountant is part of a conspiracy against the white race? *Really*? A lot of people have various sympathies but find politics disgusting (which you can understand when it always involves digging up scandals and insulting people in 30-second commercials that play ad nauseam) and don’t really hate the other side.

  154. It really is a choice between the two. I suppose the nuts who choose Liberty mostly rationalize it away by saying they don’t want the liberties they’re losing, anyway. Works great as long as you’re in power, but leftists don’t think about that subject much, either.

    Just for the benefit of others, that is not CofC Kevin B McDonald.

    *Whew!*

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  155. Being a permanent opposition party isn’t going to be much fun. There are very few jobs in Congress compared to the executive branch for a party that can’t win the “big one.” And Congress’s power of the purse and oversight aren’t terribly meaningful in a provider state that truly can’t be shut down, and in which the President is willing to govern by executive order and administrative regulations. The Republican Party will be marginalized and eventually become extinct unless it can reform as a de facto white identify party.

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  156. I thought victimization was an SJW tenet.

    I’d say claiming victimization for BS trivia is the SJW specialty par excellence. If you think that getting picked up by the cops for tweeting a complaint about mohammedans is trivial, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. In fact, it’s useful for the rest of us to gauge the quality of your thought.

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and assert that people who are functional, responsible adults, and not criminals find being arrested for BS reasons a massive imposition. Further, I tend to think that the First Amendment represents more than an American eccentricity, so arresting people for things that should constitute free speech is oppression.

    SJW heaven looks a lot like a police state.

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  157. Ive given up trying to comment beyond a paragraph because more often than not something I write seems to trigger Steve and doesn’t make it past Komment Kontrol while “Muslims should rape white girls” makes it through all day long.

  158. But we will have to keep the SC free of too many wise Latinas.

    This was a seriously Racist statement . Do you realize that by using the term ” Wise Latinas ” , that you are strongly implying that there are Latinas that are not wise ? All Latinas are wise , you insensitive Racist !!!!!

  159. Europeans have depended on their institutions to defend and/or avenge them. It has the advantage of avoiding blood feuds. If you try to defend family members individually, you’ll find yourself facing 5-10 adversaries and you’ll almost certainly lose the fight. Even worse, today, you’ll find your institutions have turned against you.

    There are three possible solutions: (1) Europeans can turn their own institutions back around and inflict collective punishment on the communities that perpetrate these attacks; (2) Europeans can form rival unofficial groups and fight the Muslims in the streets (these will resemble biker gangs and soccer hooligans); or (3) Europeans will be displaced and margnialized (save for the very rich and powerful elite) in what were previously their countries. My personal prediction is option 3.

    I think if (2) gets to be of reasonable size, (1) will be the ultimate result.

    Far better than collective punishment though – affirmative rehoming would be the kinder, gentler solution. The MENA migrants could even be given some free seeds of trees, to go back and plant in MENA to reforest the blighted place.*

    The key argument for me is that the decision to open up the borders to all and sundry was a decision that was made by a handful of so-called elite, a bought and paid for elite, without the assent of the majority in the form of a referendum. In the case of Tony Blair, the motivation behind the encouragement of mass immigration was pure evil – to rub the right’s nose in diversity. And no doubt, that has mostly been the motivation elsewhere. It is invalid, undemocratic and with the political will, it is reversible.

    * Compare map of the world (note the desert regions):

    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/multimedia/14596

    Map of Muslim world:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/World_Muslim_Population_Map.png

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    No, the guy on photo with Merkel is a different one. He still lives n Germany.

  161. It is not “white privilege” it is the “white legacy”. A “legacy” is what you create and pass down to your posterity.

    The reason Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, and Mexicans are moving to America is their desperate desire to share that white legacy without having to build it with their own people in their own lands.

    Rather than struggling for hundreds and thousands of years and civilizing their own people, their own families, they want to move to America and share our fruits.

    The people in their own countries are too rapacious, too self-centered, too evil to create it there. So the foreign immigrants desperately want to abandon their own people and share our white legacy.

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  162. Are you speculating about an imaginary scenario?

    Your average worker can link to a liberal essay on ‘white privilege’, but not to one of Jared’s essays on black crime.

    In what situation does the average worker link to any particular essay (as you suggest) in furtherance of their employment responsibilities? Sounds like goofing off on company time. Looking for more worker protections for goofing off is not a winning argument, IMO.

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  163. I think he was just trying to start a long suppressed “conversation about race” as the President and attorney general put it.

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  164. Yes, he used the word “confronted” himself. Then contradicts his own statement.

    Not that the whole affair isn’t BS.

  165. His “crime” was not being presumptuous or (at worst) rude. His “crime” was twittering his rudeness, because any disparaging comment about a Muslim tends to cause the English to riot or go on an ethnic cleansing rampage (or something).

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  166. The police are not quoting the words of the statute properly. The relevant provision is:

    “A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—

    (a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

    (b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.”

    Whether or not you agree with the substance, it is coherent and grammatical.

  167. *Whew!*

    I thought the worm really had turned. Wasn’t to be, lol.

  168. It is an over-1000-year-old tradition. An Anglo-saxon king substituted the payment of money (“wergeld” or “man-gold”) and made clan/tribe feuds illegal. Much of the barbarian world has not developed that far. At the same time, the king is under an obligation to bring the miscreants to justice. If he does not, “self-help” is always an option.

  169. OK, what do you call picking a fight with a woman?

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  170. You do realize, I hope, that being a jerk is not an arrestable offense, right?

    I certainly do, and the authorities arresting him for tweeting his account of that confrontation is far worse.

    I was merely saying he’s not a sympathetic character. Not a criminal. Just a jerk.

  171. There was never any chance of a jury returning a guilty verdict in this case.

    No, there wasn’t, because this particular offence is tried in a Magistrates’ Court, where there is no jury. The traitors who voted for this law in the Parliament made sure that that ancient bulwark of English liberties was not available to anyone accused of the offence.

    Thank you. That needed saying.

  172. Why not ask a man? Are there no male Muslims this guy could query? Instead, he feels it necessary to question a woman…with her child no less.

    Male Muslims don’t wear identifying clothing.

  173. Lmao exactly. Same here.

  174. But I can’t get too worked up over the idea of this guy getting arrested if he did actually tweet that. Going up to strangers and picking fights with them over what their correligionists did has no place in society.

    Why? You don’t seem to grasp what religion is about. It is, at least partly, about unifying people into a cohesive group that can work together to achieve group goals. The members are not disconnected. It may in fact be fair to hold them accountable for their co-religionists’ acts. Salo Baron said that Jewish law traditionally posited the common responsibility of all Jews for the deeds of each. Surely, there’s nothing wrong with asking a Muslim to try to reign in the collective craziness.

  175. It is not “white privilege” it is the “white legacy”. A “legacy” is what you create and pass down to your posterity.

    This is the sort of comment I would gold box if I could. It really cuts to the heart of that particular matter, deconstructs the leftist lie and re-frames it appropriately. Brilliant.

    I would make two modifications. The first is that it is not just sundry non-whites moving to America, they are moving to the Eurosphere in general. By Eurosphere I mean Anglosphere + Europe. The 25% Muslim population in Brussels did not get there by accident. Merkel’s millions are moving to Germany, Scandinavia, France and the UK. The Anglosphere is all in the top 50 countries by net migration rate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    And with the last paragraph:

    The people in their own countries are too rapacious, too self-centered, too evil, too dim-witted or bereft of long-term outlook to create it there. So the foreign immigrants desperately want to abandon their own people and partake of our white legacy.

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  176. … and the horse you rode in on.

  177. I love posts like yours. Nothing excite the passions of honest Americans like a tard on release for the weekend and a computer terminal.

  178. But take heart, Jonathan Mason will spend his time in eternity being “slammed in the face during dodgeball” and mostly without spectators.

  179. Yep, because if you turn off your monitor the CPU in your computer doesn’t exist anymore.

  180. That is a brilliant and wonderful proposition! The only obvious improvement is that we ‘compensate’ by exchanging such foreign oppressees for twice the number of American social-justice oppressors.

  181. I’d say claiming victimization for BS trivia is the SJW specialty par excellence.

    “If you think that getting picked up by the cops for tweeting a complaint about mohammedans is trivial, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.”

    Strawman. I never made that argument. I was taking to task Rob X’s assertion. The intention of legislation is not meant to debase citizens. Moreover, this “police state” does not observably exist.

    “In fact, it’s useful for the rest of us to gauge the quality of your thought.”

    It’s useful, indeed, for knowing that you put words into people’s mouths.

    “I’m gonna go out on a limb and assert that people who are functional, responsible adults, and not criminals find being arrested for BS reasons a massive imposition.”

    Agreed.

    “Further, I tend to think that the First Amendment represents more than an American eccentricity, so arresting people for things that should constitute free speech is oppression.”

    Except what constitutes free speech in England may be looked at differently compared to the United States.

    “SJW heaven looks a lot like a police state.”

    Radical conservatives embrace similar ideas. They are two peas in a pod.

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  182. That same yguy nitwit was here a few weeks ago. Stupidity has its tedious cyclicity because it never learns. a pathetic example of a crippled mind, crying out because momma never loved .

  183. “It is not “white privilege” it is the “white legacy”. A “legacy” is what you create and pass down to your posterity.”

    No, it’s a legacy created by Americans from different backgrounds. Europeans who colonized and immigrated to America originally were not unified here–they resided in separate areas. They created their own legacy based on their ethnic practices and burgeoning pride in their new homeland.

    “I would make two modifications. The first is that it is not just sundry non-whites moving to America, they are moving to the Eurosphere in general. By Eurosphere I mean Anglosphere + Europe.”

    Europeans were moving to an area where they could build a life for themselves politically, socially, and religiously. They kept their traditions, created new ones, and adopted the customs of their new place of residence. Muslims are no different in that regard.

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  184. “The reason Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, and Mexicans are moving to America is their desperate desire to share that white legacy without having to build it with their own people in their own lands.”

    Well, we could use that logic to explain why ANY group, including Europeans, came to America.

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  185. him.

  186. Hmmm

    Obviously why we read so much more about what is going on in the US in the foreign (especially UK) papers.

  187. I wonder how many people would’ve kept their jobs, if they’d merely followed my policy ie., no social media connections to co-workers?

    That’s not the problem. The problem is it’s actually not that hard to connect your social media presence with your identity. If you piss off enough people someone will eventually figure out who you are and start a letter writing campaign to your employer. It’s pretty common for bloggers, commenters, and especially video creators to leave clues to their identity without realizing it.

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  188. No problem at all—hope my response wasn’t too testy! Your post compelled to flesh out my original thought. Sometimes, in the interest of brevity, it’s hard to hit all the nuances of a topic.

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  189. Strawman. I never made that argument. I was taking to task Rob X’s assertion. The intention of legislation is not meant to debase citizens. Moreover, this “police state” does not observably exist.

    Have you looked in the bill file? One never knows what might have been said in the committee hearings.

    Why wouldn’t the purpose of the legislation to be to debase citizens? That’s pretty much how it’s used. If that was a bug as opposed to a feature, one might expect responsible legislators to take exception to the abuse of well-intentioned legislation. But observably, anti-hate speech laws in the UK allow the authorities a do-as-you-likey approach to harassing citizens. By framing free speech as something other than hate speech, the law creates a framework that excludes the possibility of conceiving of free speech as including grumpy references to mealy-mouthed mohammedans, at least among those who drink the PC Kool-Ade. The rest just don’t want the shame and hassle of getting arrested.

    Did I misrepresent your opinions? Too bad. I’m seeing the culture that gave birth to the rights that I hold essential to civil society in my homeland getting pissed away. And what I hear from you, who demands to be accurately quoted, is mealy-mouthed excuses.

    But if I’m wrong, let’s hear your vigorous defense of free speech.

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  190. Not this, unless his tone and manner were other than I imagine them to have been.

  191. That is… “compelled me to flesh out my original thought.”

  192. Actually, it was in Himmelfarb’s book that I first read about the Panopticon plan. It has good chapters on other matters too, such as the way Darwin’s theories were adopted by Victorian political thinkers.

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  193. IIRC Bentham’s Brother” Samuel Bentham did quite well in Russia working with Prince Potemkin . And I believe he was able to build his brother’s cherished Panopticon there as well .

  194. We are talking about someone who posts online something deemed ‘racist’ by the usual suspects in their own free time, and lose their jobs as a result. You know there were numerous examples of this.

    Nobody is talking about posting something at work.

  195. Exactly. There was this miserable lunatic who wrote books and lengthy blogposts about how the Northwest should be the new White Republic and how he is the reincarnation of Hitler or something. Eventually they found out his address and he lost his livelihood and apparently even his family (who claimed never to have known anything of his bizarre online activities).

  196. Don’t spend too much time and effort with that blockhead.

  197. Even you guys must have noticed by now that when a commenter gets this number of responses he’s a troll . Usually they are only the single comment type and easy to spot yet they always get lots of bites , I suspect this guy makes the occasional single comment as well . Recently however there have been a few that stay around and make “well reasoned” “thoughtful” comments and they get a lot of responses and that gives them credit . In my last job we had a term for that: “splitters” He baits you by telling you how smart he is and creating doubt and some of us rush in where “fools fear to tread” . But this is his key point : ” The smarter commenters have figured out that they can express things elsewhere”. He’s here to bust up this happy little nest of contrarians and crackpots . I’ll stick with Steve where I can get the occasional racist and anti-Semitic post passed as well as an excellent recipe or two . And really what better measure of the need for this site is there than Sailer’s tolerance for a crackpot like me ? “anonguy” why don’t you go to where you can ” can express things elsewhere” ? If you feel that way ?

  198. Hey Steve when I think of you commenting on sports this is the image that comes to mind.

    Am I wrong ?

  199. Your metaphor rests on the assumption that indeed the races are bitter toward one another

    You may personally love everyone and everything equally, but the public sphere is very much about counting who is who along racial lines, and measuring what whom does to whom. This may not exactly be “bitterness”, but everyone casts a wary eye at each other.

  200. […] States, as a remnant of our founding liberties, such a persecution would at least not entail the criminal dimension that it would in England. However, loss of one’s job is almost certain in such a case. There […]

  201. OT

    Radio Free Europe reports on a terrific five-star example of virtue signalling. A Dutch girl who teaches illegal migrants in Greece how to turn polypropylene boats into backpacks.

    They look like cr*p so no-one is going to use them; especially not migrants with smart phones.

    But that of course is not the point because making them “is so much fun … I can be useful … be here as a maker”.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/lesbos-migrants-turning-boats-into-backpacks-dutch-volunteers/27587663.html

    (RFE seems a bit of a polypropylene backpack itself these days…)

  202. “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  203. As others have suggested, the next stage is clearly:

    - Mass migration and exploding non-white birth rates reducing the white population to a tiny minority – “Explicitly support it or be punished by the government”

  204. “affirmative rehoming”

    Now that’s brilliant. Control the language and one controls the debate.

  205. Francis’s Paradox: When the authorities only prosecute the law-abiding.

  206. In Michigan a few years ago a Hispanic cop arrested someone (I think a woman) when he overheard an Anti-Hispanic slur in a parking lot. The charge was thrown out but “the process was the punishment.”

  207. Europeans came here because land was cheap and labor better compensated; also to escape the endless wars between the European crowned heads.

  208. It’s because of Trump. All other similar sites are seeing an uptick in troll activity. Methinks someone is on someone else’s payroll.

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    It’s a bit like those old westerns where they’d say “quiet,” “yeah too quiet” just before one got an arrow in the chest.

  210. “But observably, anti-hate speech laws in the UK allow the authorities a do-as-you-likey approach to harassing citizens.”

    To what extent is this law enforced by UK authorities? Is it perpetual?

    “By framing free speech as something other than hate speech, the law creates a framework that excludes the possibility of conceiving of free speech as including grumpy references to mealy-mouthed mohammedans, at least among those who drink the PC Kool-Ade.”

    Muslims you meant to say. Listen, hate speech is one of those things that is an over-the-top law that ought to be repealed and/or lack enforcement.

    “I’m seeing the culture that gave birth to the rights that I hold essential to civil society in my homeland getting pissed away.”

    The UK is your homeland? Then I suggest you run for office and work to repeal those laws you find objectionable.

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  211. Following discussion with the Crown Prosecution Service, Mr Doyle is no longer charged with the offence and will not be appearing at court.

    Proving, once again, how tolerant, generous and open minded the British authorities are.

  212. FU.

    Spending one’s time interacting about politics on the web has a high probability of antagonism, a low probability of success and very likely to be a poor use of time. I gave it up almost five years ago, and if it weren’t for Trump now, I probably would be happy enough to leave things alone.

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  213. Right but if they are not organized into the Republican Party and its propensity to represent the citizens and the citizenship of the United States, they might as well not exist.

  214. I’m afraid that it will be fairly easy to destroy the Republican Party when they’re starting out losing the Presidency from the get-go, and all the Congressmen and Senators are carrying the albatross of Donald Trump at the top of the ticket.

  215. Having solid Congressional majorities as the opposition to the executive _can_ be a significant power base.

    The problem for the Republicans in Congress is that so many of their supposed supporters are actively looking to stab in the back the minute they do something useful. Neocon this, cuckservative that, amnesty this other thing. What the Republicans accomplish is necessarily limited by what they are capable of.

    It’s not realistic to strain away at limiting their capabilities and then complain that they can’t accomplish anything.

    The Republican Party is the political expression of solidarity for America by Americans. And at bottom, frankly, it’s little more than that. That is the foundation of solidarity that has to be built on, not destroyed.

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  216. “To what extent is this law enforced by UK authorities? Is it perpetual?”

    Laws that are enforced at the discretion of the authorities can lead to a system little different than tyranny. Eh, we enforce the law when we want to. When we don’t? Not so much.

    “Muslims you meant to say.”

    No, idiot, he probably meant to say Mohammedans – an older term which has the same meaning.

    “Listen, hate speech is one of those things that is an over-the-top law that ought to be repealed and/or lack enforcement.”

    Hate speech laws were/are being brought about thanks to people like you.

    ““I’m seeing the culture that gave birth to the rights that I hold essential to civil society in my homeland getting pissed away.””

    “The UK is your homeland?”

    That’s not what he said, nor what he meant (why do you think is screen name is ‘Tex’). But then you are too stupid to have understood that.

    “Then I suggest you run for office and work to repeal those laws you find objectionable.”

    I suggest that, rather than waste space here, you go somewhere else where your worthless opinions would be valued. A home for the mentally retarded, for example.

  217. “I don’t think there’s enough room in the human rectum for a head to spin.”

    Depends on the relative size; I think they’ll manage. Also: human?

  218. God save the Queen because nobody else will. These boneheads at Scotland Yard are gonna find that helping Muslims is about as safe as shaving a Tiger’s nutsack. Fortunately they’ve gotten the Brits to look the other way and not care about those dumb bobbies no more, guvner.

  219. Europeans were moving to an area where they could build a life for themselves politically, socially, and religiously. They kept their traditions, created new ones, and adopted the customs of their new place of residence.

    By “customs”, you mean the real substance: the laws, the jurisprudence and its philosophy, its core ethos and social mores, its economic system.- which is Anglo-Celtic. Everything else is largely offerings on a restaurant menus. Or the culture of rogues, such as the Mafia and gangsta rap.

    Some Muslims have adopted the customs of Europe to a degree, but a lot haven’t, and as their numbers swell, the likelihood that they will decreases. And once again, what you will have are restaurants, crime, and ghettoization. The difference from America is that nobody holding power really has an intention of stopping that regression.

    It’s a revolution-for-the-hell-of-it that’s more nihilistic than anything some 60′s leftist would have ever dreamed of.

  220. “By “customs”, you mean the real substance: the laws, the jurisprudence and its philosophy, its core ethos and social mores, its economic system.- which is Anglo-Celtic.”

    No, the customs were English, and Dutch, and French, and Spanish.

    “Some Muslims have adopted the customs of Europe to a degree, but a lot haven’t, and as their numbers swell, the likelihood that they will decreases. And once again, what you will have are restaurants, crime, and ghettoization.”

    Just like ANY immigrant group.

    “The difference from America is that nobody holding power really has an intention of stopping that regression.”

    How about those not holding power get into power to stop this “regression”?

    “It’s a revolution-for-the-hell-of-it that’s more nihilistic than anything some 60′s leftist would have ever dreamed of.”

    Are you willing to take things to the streets?

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  221. No, the customs were English, and Dutch, and French, and Spanish.

    Some commericial influence from the Dutch in New York, perhaps, but the English had their own already.
    THe French influence are the French philosophes as interpreted by the Founders. Actual French immigration was small and mostly Huguenots who were part of the Calvinist tendency that was found in the Scots and Ulstermen who immigrated. They formed a philosophical and religious block, which, come to think of it, Islam does.

    The Spanish influence culturally on the US until very recently has been very small, almost nil in most parts of the country.

    Just like ANY immigrant group.

    Oh, bullshit. The list of smoothly assimilating groups in the States is long: Croats, Serbs, Poles, Germans, Danes, Norwegians, and so on. Even the Japanese, who experienced much worse treatment than Muslims have here, assimilated wonderfully. None of these groups formed any kind of unassimilable Balkanized anticultures.


    How about those not holding power get into power to stop this “regression”?

    Why would any sane person want a foreign power to take over his society?

    Are you willing to take things to the streets?

    No, I”m not. That’s what separate countries are for. Are you just queer for chaos?

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  222. Nothing stopped blacks from creating their own equivalent institutions in their native lands if not in the US except the ability to do so, which is his point. Whites do have privilege of belonging to an ethnic in-group with considerably higher group potential and capacity than other groups. Black jealously may be understandable but it isn’t reasonable. The recent book Hive Mind covers the significance of this. You will do better as a mediocre member of a high performing group than you will a star performer of a mediocre group.

    Blacks, not without reason, want to maintain their own ethnic in-group AND also receive the benefits incumbent on being a member of the higher performing White group. It isn’t unreasonable for whites or Asians to permit talented blacks access to their group (assuming they will not dilute its overall potential), thus the wisdom of the merit system. However, many blacks have denounced the merit system using one of the various modern resentment fables, Hate, Racism, etc. imagining such abstractions as creating a fantastical hostile force barring them from achieving at levels comparable to whites or Asians. That such spurious fables have gained such traction in modern society is a cause of enormous concern for our future. For it suggests a society in massive intellectual decline.

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  223. Don’t leave out Howard Schultz CEO of Starbucks. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/media/starbucks-ends-tempestuous-initiative-on-race.html?_r=0

  224. Or vote for Brexit or express support for Trump! Can. Not. Have. That.

  225. I can’t help but notice that you left out the Irish. I don’t think Irish assimilation has been all that successful–arguably it isn’t complete today. Even among Europeans some cultures resist assimilation more than others. And numbers and geographical cohesion are also factors.

  226. What do you think you will accomplish here? And why do you think it’s a “stab in the back” to criticize the neocons for their, uhm, achievements?

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    The Republican Party is the political expression of solidarity for America by Americans.

    Nonsense. It is the political wing of the cheap labor lobby – hence Trump.

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    That such spurious fables have gained such traction in modern society is a cause of enormous concern for our future. For it suggests a society in massive intellectual decline.

    It doesn’t show that at all.

    The source of these fables is the media and academia.

    So the process is quite clearly a deliberate attack by a hostile minority among Whites against the rest – whether you think that minority is a political ideology, ethnic grouping or a bit of both that is quite clearly what is happening – you can see every time you read what is being taught in the schools and colleges and every time you switch on the TV.

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    On the case in question it’s likely to do with someone’s promotion.

    The western nations were hijacked at the top and shit rolled downhill so promotion boards suddenly needed an officer to show “commitment to diversity” maybe even have a separate little folder needing three pieces of evidence. An arbitrary arrest like this would count as one piece of evidence.

    It’s basically a tyranny test. Govt institutions ruled by PC want proof that a person will go *beyond* their authority and bend or break the letter of the law for the cause.

    Intimidation is more of a desirable side-effect than the main reason imo – the primary purpose is to make sure only scum reach the higher ranks.

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    Assimilation is partly a function of concentrated numbers. If you have large numbers over a short period of time who congregate in large ethnic enclaves then they’re not likely to rapidly assimilate because the local peer pressure works against it.

    With smaller numbers over a longer period of time it’s smoother because peer pressure works in its favor.

    (This works in reverse also where a half-assimilated small group can de-assimilate if the local numbers are greatly increased by further immigration.)

    The problem is the people who want very rapid, large scale immigration i.e. the cheap labor and cheap voter lobbies. Unless they’re stopped America will disintegrate (as it is clearly starting to do now).

  231. Reading comprehension grade D-. Its the culture of Great Britain that is being pissed away. That culture gave birth to the rights essential to civil society in Tex’s homeland, which I assume is the US. I expect that your reply will be to ask for a citation.

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  232. “THe French influence are the French philosophes as interpreted by the Founders…They formed a philosophical and religious block, which, come to think of it, Islam does.”

    Which proves my point that the French had a role in American customs.

    “The Spanish influence culturally on the US until very recently has been very small, almost nil in most parts of the country.”

    Florida. The American Southwest. New Orleans. All prior to 1800. I wouldn’t necessarily call that influence “very small” or “very recent”.

    “That’s what separate countries are for. Are you just queer for chaos?”

    America has never been observably a “separate country”.

  233. “Its the culture of Great Britain that is being pissed away.’

    It was “pissed away” by the 1820′s, as a distinct brand of culture in the States emerged.

    “That culture gave birth to the rights essential to civil society in Tex’s homeland…”

    A civil society for the posterity for all of its citizens, born there or naturalized.

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