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See, stupid Republican President Bill Pullman misinterpreted “DIE” due to his bigotry: the alien wasn’t calling for an “invasion” of Earth, he was simply wishing for Earth to enjoy Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity.

 
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  1. BenKenobi says:

    I don’t think a plucky black air force officer, his stripper wife, and his wife’s son are gonna save us this time.

    “Welcome ta Earf!”

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  2. eah says:

  3. Illegal Alien entitlement: At the time of filming, this one was getting his free healthcare at Area 51. It was so bad, he killed the doctors. Wanna bet they reported it as a White mass killing?

  4. eah says:

    Diversity, Inclusivity, Equity: DIE

  5. Altai says:

    OT: I know Steve is a fan of the film ‘4 Lions’, the same director has made a new film with the same premise except transplanted to America with 4 Malcolm X channelling comical black Israelite/Muslim types called ‘The Day Shall Come’. It looks a lot more Hollywood and Anna Kendrick is in it.

  6. Kronos says:

    Naaa, the Aliens laser-beamed New York City and DC. The President even nuked LA. Both are heroes in my book. Imagine how it changed the electoral map!

  7. El Dato says:
    @eah

    Maybe it’s a trick to lure violent liberals into movie theaters where they can be quietly euthanized?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  8. Kronos says:
    @El Dato

    Makes you think though, when was the last time you saw a MANLY liberal? (That wasn’t gay.)

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  9. anon[543] • Disclaimer says:

    White progressives have long fantasized about using aliens to put down their conservative ethnic enemies. That was the premise of V: The Miniseries in 1982. In that show, aliens are bad white Nazis who hate the good white scientist/Zionist intellectuals, and the resistance fighters are mostly good whites who embrace racial diversity. In V: the Final Battle, one of the resistance fighters is a white priest who fought with terrorist South African guerillas against the Apartheid regime (check out SA today for how that worked out). Nazi imagery is used repeatedly throughout the show and most of the main baddies are white. They also herd people into concentration camps where they are first gassed and then packaged for food or conscripted to fight in “The Leader’s” war, with said leader being an indirect reference to Adolf Hitler.

    Alien Nation, a good white + oppressed alien television series from the early 1990s, features an early episode in season one where the white liberal cop (formerly a racist conservative turned good) stands in the middle of a crowd of racist white parents opposing school integration with aliens and shouts at them to leave or he’ll charge them with violating the Civil Rights Act. The entire show (and the TV movies) are filled with all kinds of leftist tropes: white lady who’s an obvious stand in for the Christian Coalition plans to use a virus to commit genocide on the aliens; white terrorists burn things in people’s yards like the KKK burned crosses; aliens are being discriminated against in job hiring in Los Angeles (in the 1990s? please); white liberal cop breaks up with his immoral Christian girlfriend for thinking aliens don’t have souls like humans do …. Strangely, the aliens in the show are allowed to be racist against humans all the time. One of the television movies features a plot where the aliens openly wonder if interbreeding with humans will dilute their gene pool and make them inferior because humans are comparatively violent and stupid in this universe. The white liberal cop doesn’t break up his relationship with the alien cop’s family in response like he did with his Christian girlfriend, though.

    Also, aliens like Superman were pitted against Nazis back in the day, which is where the leftist “punch a Nazi” violent assault trend came from. Some on Twitter directly referenced Superman punching Hitler as a justification; some of these people were blue checkmarks. Also, many of the upcoming Marvel movies featuring aliens are political allegories to present day immigrant sentiment. In Captain Marvel, IIRC, one of the alien races are just poor immigrants while Captain Marvel is a liberal feminist good white. And the writer of Star Wars: The Force Awakens directly compared the white (presumably alien) imperial forces to Nazis; that’s certainly seen in the pasty faced cartoon villain character General Hux, a loud white male who wears an SS knockoff uniform; and the resistance has been quite diversified since A New Hope with none of the main protagonists in the latest movie being a white male.

  10. Some guy posted these links on diversity. There you are….

    Diversity increases social adversity.

    A 10% increase in diversity doubles the chance of psychotic episodes.

    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.abstract?etoc

    Diversity reduces voter registration, political efficacy, charity, and number of friendships.

    Ethnic diversity reduces happiness and quality of life.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract;jsessionid=279C92A7EB0946BBA63D62937FC832A9.f04t03

    Diversity reduces trust, civic participation, and civic health.

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=full

    Ethnocentrism is rational, biological, and genetic in origin.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract

    Ethnic diversity harms health for hispanics and blacks.

    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2012.300787

    Babies demostrate ethnocentrism before exposure to non-whites.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/full

    Ethnocentrism is universal and likely evolved in origin.

    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/research/AxHamm_Ethno.pdf

    Diversity primarily hurts the dominant ethnic group.

    http://www.theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/57

    Ethnic diversity reduces concern for the environment.

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10640-012-9619-6

    Ethnic diversity within 80 meters of a person reduces social trust.

    http://curis.ku.dk/ws/files/130251172/Dinesen_S_nderskov_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf

    Ethnic diversity directly reduces strong communities.

    https://www.msu.edu/~zpneal/publications/neal-diversitysoc.pdf

    Ethnically homogenous neighborhoods are beneficial for health.

    https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/living-ethnically-homogenous-area-boosts-health-minority-seniors

    Diversity in American cities correlates with segregation.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/

    Races are extended families. Ethnocentrism is genetically rational.

    It is evolutionarily rational to be friends with someone genetically similar to you.

    http://www.livescience.com/46791-friends-share-genes.html

    Racism and nationalism are rational and evolutionary advantageous strategies.

    http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

    Homogeneous polities have less crime, less civil war, and more altruism.

    http://www.theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/57

    States with little diversity have more democracy, less corruption, and less inequality.

    http://www.theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/57

    There is extensive evidence people prefer others who are genetically similar.

    http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/n&n_2005-1.pdf

    Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0095660

    The more integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, and vice versa.

    http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

    The more ethnically diverse the people we live around, the less we trust them.

    http://macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolios/benediktsson2013/files/2013/04/Putnam.pdf

    Ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution.

    http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

    Diversity experiments in Germany end in disaster

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany-s-immigrants-integration-in-theory-alienation-in-practice-a-433006.html

    Immigrants in Norway are a net loss to the economy

    http://www.emnbelgium.be/publication/report-norwegian-welfare-and-migration-committee

    Immigrants in Sweden are a net loss to the economy

    http://www.amid.dk/pub/papers/AMID_48-2006_Jan_Ekberg.pdf

    Denmark saved billions by restricting immigration:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/putting-a-price-on-foreigners-strict-immigration-laws-save-denmark-billions-a-759716.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8492822/Denmarks-immigration-laws-save-country-6-billion.html

    Increases in diversity correlate with problems worldwide, and the downsides of diversity effect everyone, it’s a universal human problem:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/the-downside-of-difference/story-e6frgcjx-1111112914289

    More diversity in police departments correlates with more abuse, poorer performance and less trust:

    http://www.mediafire.com/?1fe8x0egftpbp6f

    Decreased community spirit, decreased altruism, and depressed social capital, less ethical behavior, more crime, fear, isolation and depression:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-25jl.html

    Also, a nice little study from Cornell University about how segregation creates peace:

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.1409

  11. Thanks for the summary, #543, but there’s probably 10X as much that you or I haven’t seen. This is why I haven’t watched TV in a long time and I avoid new movies, with rare exceptions. The agenda can be blatant such as in your examples, or it can be very insidious. The cable company we get internet from sends offers for us to get TV bundled with it 2 or 3 times a month. It’s not the money, I think – they just want people in front of those big flat screens.

  12. @Kronos

    “GIBS me some of that.” It became a noun.

  13. @Kronos

    “Gibs” is short for “Gibsme dat,” viz. the seemingly universal (and apparently never ending) need of blacks for free stuff. “Gibs” has come to refer to the free stuff in question: welfare, entitlements, AA, section 8, EBT, etc.

    In 2020, when whichever Democrat crackpot becomes president and ushers in the Permanent One-Party State, the motto “Gibsme dat” will be put on all American currency, replacing “Liberty” and “In God we trust.”

    And that’s a good thing, as our NYT (((overlords))) love to say.

  14. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: This is may be why women with children tend to vote republican, a strange phenomenon Steve Sailer has noted. Also, this could explain the rise of toxic progressive ideology: as women have fewer children (and childless women explode in number), they fail to convert to conservatism, moving society to self-destructive left-wing tendencies. Could we solve the liberalism epidemic through oxytocin injections in childhood, perhaps along with vaccinations?

    Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism

    https://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract

    Level of Oxytocin in Pregnant Women Predicts Mother-Child Bond

    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/level-of-oxytocin-in-pregnant-women-predicts-mother-child-bond.html

  15. Lurker says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yeah sure, but apart from all that . . .

  16. Lurker says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Excellent list, I’ll be using this.

  17. El Dato says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good stuff.

    > A 10% increase in diversity doubles the chance of psychotic episodes.
    > http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.abstract?etoc

    “Guarantee for more mass murder in the future from all sides. It’s symptomatic Mr. Spock. Your sad desire for gun control will help no-one.”

    Also,

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0095660
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.1409

    are actually the same.

    Meanwhile, people with saviour complexes making a nuisance of themselves:

    Feminist harassment of UK strippers exposes movement’s persistent hatred of sex and liberated women

    Not Buying It, a group led by well-known activist Sasha Rakoff has been terrorizing gentlemen’s clubs across England in recent months, by sending in undercover former police detectives to covertly film inside, and to document any instances of deliberate touching of the clients by the performers, which is banned under UK licensing regulations. The resultant tapes have been submitted to local councils in a bid to get the establishments shut down, with public petitions and newspaper coverage to accompany the drive.

    Now, nine dancers at the Spearmint Rhino in London, one of the best-known clubs in the UK and part of an international chain, have sued Not Buying It for breach of privacy, demanding that all existing tapes be destroyed. An earlier High Court ruling had already banned Rakoff from further sharing the tapes, so the strippers’ chances of getting their way in the high-profile case, the costs of which are likely to bankrupt the losing side, are more than fair.

  18. SFG says:
    @eah

    OK, so you want to update the Hunger Games for the real world. Thing is, you can’t put POC as the targets (the alt-right will meme it) and you can’t put them as perpetrators (the left will ruin you). So you make white people both perpetrators and targets, and turn it into a class thing.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Declane
  19. WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES are under no obligation to DIE!!! because the Democratic Party demands it……

  20. Moses says:
    @anon

    I noticed that too.

    All the Imperial villains in the new Star Wars are White men. Not one non-White. Not one.

    All the good guys are non-White and in many cases non-men.

    I wonder what the (((producers))) mean by that?

  21. All the Imperial villains in the new Star Wars are White men.

    Just like all the Porch Pirates in the video doorbell commercials are white.

  22. Slightly off topic:

    Four People Killed, Two Injured In Los Angeles “Stabbing And Robbery Rampage”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-08/four-people-killed-two-injured-los-angeles-stabbing-and-robbery-rampage

    For those who think that firearms are a defense instead of an offense: Here’s a person who attacked at least six people with blade weapons (knife or machete-like, varying weapon with attacks). His final attack, which succeeded, was against an armed security guard.

    He was finally captured by police (at least two, presenting multiple threats) who probably kept at a distance and acquired the man as a target before offering a choice between compliance and being shot.

    This is where all the talk about “situational awareness” comes from. What usually isn’t said is that firearms are only good as bullet launchers. They make poor shields. The defender has to be willing and able to acquire the target and _actually shoot_ if the target is closing or armed with an effective missile weapon. It isn’t as easy as buying a firearm.

    For that matter, it isn’t as easy as buying body armor. Concealable armor does not cover several arteries near the surface of the skin, all it does is reduce the vulnerable areas. Try to cover everything and you look like a walking pillbox [1] (and it feels like you’re carrying a pillbox).

    Point? Self defense (even when it’s tactically offense) beats getting killed or maimed, but civil order is better yet if you want to get any work done.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillbox_(military)

    • Replies: @SF
    , @Jim Don Bob
  23. @El Dato

    how much of feminist behavior is just a weird expression of jealousy ?

    • Replies: @Richard S
  24. @Lurker

    lol love how dictionary.com has to tell you use of the phrase is “disgusting.” I’ve never seen a definition include a moral judgment before!

    • Replies: @Dissident
  25. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    But you don’t understand. Diversity is our strength.

  26. El Dato says:
    @SFG

    Or you can use robots.

    For example, imagine self-driving Googlebot cleaning out the Beckys whenever Trump-voting red flags have been detected:

  27. @Kronos

    Around Madison, Wisconsin, I would run across manly man liberals just about every day.

    I live in a neighborhood that is mixed blue collar and white collar. Mostly families. A lot of parents, mothers and fathers, coach youth sports teams. At one point the head of the local little league and several of the board members were in this neighborhood. Most of the kids do sports in high school. Some wind up as college athletes. The men in the neighborhood have manly jobs, pay their rent or mortgage on time, often coach their kids’ teams and often play on adult sports teams, or do some kind of sports on the side.

    And, most are liberals.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Pericles
  28. Declane says:
    @SFG

    Fact is, white people are the most dangerous race in the world.

    That’s why we need so many fictional stories to prove it!

  29. Corvinus says:
    @Moses

    “I wonder what the (((producers))) mean by that?”

    I’ll keep it simple for you. Several European nations engaged in imperialism, i.e. invade the world, invite the world, in the late 1800’s. They did some good things with it, but they also did some really bad things with it. They had their own version of GIBS–seizing natural resources, violence against indigenous peoples, exploitation of cheap labor. In some cases, there was no diversity, inclusivity, or equity. It was just DIE, Africans and Asians and Latin Americans.

  30. @Paleo Liberal

    To add on:

    True, Madison is the most liberal part of a purple state.
    What about the rural areas,

    The rural areas are generally more conservative than the cities, that is true. But, they are generally more liberal than the suburbs. Perhaps an oddity if Wisconsin. If one goes to the rural areas of Wisconsin, especially the areas settled by Germans and Scandinavians, one finds quite a few manly man farmers, “strong, like bull”, who tend the land and/or their cattle, raise their families, go to their Lutheran church, coach the kids’ teams, and vote Democratic.

  31. Marcus says:
    @Moses

    Billy Dee’s character was at least not a good guy

    • Replies: @Marcus
  32. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’ll keep it simple for you.”

    Corvinus is back. You know what that means:

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  33. @Bardon Kaldian

    How many people can we add to our list of “noticers”?

  34. @anon

    You forgot one of the most obvious ones, ‘District 9.’

    • Replies: @El Dato
  35. @Moses

    All the Imperial villains in the [new] Star Wars are White men.

    The Empire were all white men from the very start in 1977. Except for the Darth Vader voice.

    Wikipedia: Galactic Empire (Star Wars)

    Star Wars creator George Lucas sought to make the Galactic Empire aesthetically and thematically similar to Nazi Germany and to appear to be fascist…

    The name of the Empire’s main soldiers, the Stormtroopers, is somewhat similar to the name given to Hitler’s Sturmabteilung

    The uniforms of Imperial military officers also bear resemblance to uniforms used in Nazi Germany as well as nineteenth-century Germany’s ulans (mounted lancers)—who wore a tunic, riding breeches, and boots like the Empire’s officers wear—as well as the Imperial officers’ cap resembling the field caps historically worn by German and Austrian troops

  36. @Bardon Kaldian

    Very impressive.
    I think I will print an entire paper and hand deliver door to door next week in the small town I live outside of. Its a town of 8000 whose people thought it would be good to bring in Syrian refugees. They also have a Pride Parade. The dot Indians, gooks (all slants) and Pakki’s are already gaining a foot hold. I will likely be arrested for inciting hate (spreading the truth) within 72 hours.

  37. This is defeatist and depressing.

    I like inspiring, funny, witty Steve Stailer more so than doom and gloom, it’s all over, Steve Sailer.

    A lost fight isn’t worth fighting.

  38. Kronos says:

    In Oregon it’s different. Liberalism burned away its Oregon rural base during the 1960s-1970s. It’s roughly just a Metro phenomenon now.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-435170e34ae16fdbe32e60976529f6dc
    (Counties that voted for Trump)

    Keep in mind the majority of our liberals are LA-based emigrants. Most of them just drink coffee and jack off to porn all day. (They don’t have the money to do much else.) But man can they gentrify! It’s important to note they’re mainly young as well. Oregon Democrats are extremely on the culturally liberal and economically free-market axis.

  39. songbird says:
    @anon

    One of the weirdest things about the influence of liberals in sci-fi is the tendency for alien miscegenation.

    I mean, I know there are a lot of fantasy elements in sci-fi, but really? Mating with aliens evolved on a different planet and having half-alien children? There’s something really bizarre about that.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  40. Nick Diaz says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “See, stupid Republican President Bill Pullman misinterpreted “DIE” due to his bigotry: the alien wasn’t calling for an “invasion” of Earth, he was simply wishing for Earth to enjoy Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity”

    The problem is that you don’t seem to understand the (very)simple concept that peaceful laborers coming to your country to work to give themselves and their loves ones a better life, and a foreign military invasion of the country to take land and kill people are radically different things.

    The sheer idiocy of your comparison is outrageous.

  41. Moses says:
    @Corvinus

    I’ll keep it simple for you. Several European nations engaged in imperialism, i.e. invade the world, invite the world, in the late 1800’s. They did some good things with it, but they also did some really bad things with it. They had their own version of GIBS–seizing natural resources, violence against indigenous peoples, exploitation of cheap labor. In some cases, there was no diversity, inclusivity, or equity. It was just DIE, Africans and Asians and Latin Americans.

    Gobbledygook.

    Still not getting it what your tweed-coat perfessor lekchur has to do with Star Wars featuring White villains and non-White heroes.

    Can you dumb it down a bit more for us?

    Btw, your speech reminds me of this gem:

    • Agree: Steve in Greensboro
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  42. Lot says:

    Extremely important news: Beto and Poca have shifted from calling Trump a “white nationalist” to a “white supremacist.”

    Axios explains this vital development:

    https://www.axios.com/warren-orourke-trump-is-a-white-supremacist-1d9eba24-c253-4437-b07a-d4b6641e660b.html

  43. Moses says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    If one goes to the rural areas of Wisconsin, especially the areas settled by Germans and Scandinavians, one finds quite a few manly man farmers, “strong, like bull”, who tend the land and/or their cattle, raise their families, go to their Lutheran church, coach the kids’ teams, and vote Democratic.

    Sounds like these men and their non-Diverse communities are badly in need of Somali and Section 8 cultural enrichment.

    Their votes ensure they will get it, good and hard.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  44. Kyle says:
    @eah

    It look like it’s just a rip off of west world.

  45. peterike says:

    If one goes to the rural areas of Wisconsin, especially the areas settled by Germans and Scandinavians, one finds quite a few manly man farmers, “strong, like bull”, who tend the land and/or their cattle, raise their families, go to their Lutheran church, coach the kids’ teams, and vote Democratic.

    Yes, we call them “cucks.” Lutherans and other Nordic / Germanic Protestants seem especially prone to this unfortunate ailment.

  46. peterike says:

    Speaking of DIE…

    America loses the size of a football field of natural space every 30 seconds: report

    Between 2001 and 2017, 24 million acres of natural lands have been destroyed in the United States, according to scientists.

    Ctrl-F “immi” yields… nothing. Of course.

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/08/america-loses-the-size-of-a-football-field-of-natural-space-every-30-seconds-report/

  47. @Lot

    Well, fine. If that takes, then they are going to be surprised when a lot of Whites start “owning” the phrase the way they did “deplorables.” And it will cease to be an effective accusation.

    If Trump is a White Supremacist, so am I, and I’m okay with that.

  48. Romanian says: • Website
    @Moses

    The Expanded Universe, including the new Disney Canon, has high level PoC Imperials including

    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rae_Sloane

    The moves do have a certain aesthetic quality to them! :)))

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  49. El Dato says:
    @Lot

    That’s certainly an upgrade and a serious commitment.

    Directly from RussiaGateFail to LastChanceSaloon.

  50. eah says:
    @eah

    • Replies: @JMcG
  51. J.Ross says:
    @eah

    Our moral outrage should not be directed at Hollywood but at anyone who gives them money. OUATIH among few others is a happy exception, but the answer here is to not see it, don’t even pirate it, don’t discuss it beyond what I’m doing now, and effectively erase it.

  52. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Copied for later distribution, thanks.

  53. Steve

    Would you like to know what’s going with the Shinnecock Mostly Black American Injun Nation?

    Two hours ago…I drove past that monstrosity of a giant plasma screen Billboard 0n Montauk Highway…….After the liposuction ad…..young White Guy smiling by the Montauk Lighthouse…..underneath this image:”ENJOYING THE LAND YOU STOLE FROM US”…I kid you not isteve readers…..

    And when you add in what happened in Patchogue two days earlier…Here is what you get:DIE FUCKING WHITEY!!!!…..So go google Patchogue(Punk Rocker Billy Idol’s hometown when America was 90 percent HUWHITE)…News…

  54. Watching Bill Mitchivilli (however you spell it) getting BTFO’d on his Twitter feed. Honestly, its becoming more apparent Boomers are willing to “compromise” everything as long as they’re allowed to grill in peace until they kick the bucket.

  55. @Bardon Kaldian

    Dang. You not only did your own homework, but everyone else’s as well!

  56. @anon

    V was later made into a television series with two seasons–great SF stuff.

    They had previews for season 3 which showed aliens taking over all software and using the Internet to brainwash people–gee I wonder why that season never got aired. 😉

    • Replies: @El Dato
  57. @Romanian

    Billie Dee Williams was sophisticated and genteel enough to be an honourary white, so Lando Calrissian fit in with the other characters.

    The only other acceptable part Negroes, Orientals, and such have to play in Star Wars (or any decent science fiction franchise) is as extras or perhaps in incidental roles with just a few lines (like token ching-chong alien Nien Nunb, who helped Calrissian pilot the Millennium Falcon):

    These new films are no more Star Wars than the works of some sicko writing “fan-fiction” in his basement about butt-sex between Legolas and Gimli or Samwise and Frodo is The Lord of the Rings. They should be ignored. Even Lucas himself has openly expressed his distaste for what the suits at Disney have done with his legacy – he wanted to keep making movies about the human condition, but they wanted to make vapid films about shit blowing up, whom he himself calls (metaphorically) “white slavers” who made decisions that wounded him:

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Moses
  58. @Nick Diaz

    “…peaceful laborers coming to your country to work to give themselves and their loves ones a better life, and a foreign military invasion of the country to take land and kill people are radically different things.”

    And yet, on a large scale, the results are the same. A simple concept that even you should be able to grasp.

  59. @Moses

    That has more to do with the Lutheran Church than the Democratic Party. The Lutherans brought Hmong to Minnesota and Wisconsin, and are bringing Somalis to Minnesota.

    To be fair, I think the Hmong has a much better claim to coming to the US than the Somalis. The Hmong sided with the US in the Vietnam War, and were persecuted by the Laotian Communists for doing so. Getting the Hmong in the US was a punishment for getting into the VN war and then losing the war. Unless one can show that Omar’s father was working for the CIA, I see this as a completely different situation. Maybe he was. I don’t know.

    One reason so many Hmong wound up in the Upper Midwest is that originally Hmong were put in places like West Philadelphia and were driven out VERY quickly.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Herbert West
  60. @Nick Diaz

    Please do our great, welcoming nation a favor, and post your home address here. I personally know 30 or more foreign-born peaceful laborers who would all like to peacefully come to live and work in your house, in order to have a better life in your home, which is doubtless nicer than theirs. They will peacefully wash your dishes and vacuum your carpets, and also peacefully live in your house, for free, at your expense, subsidized by you. They simply want a better life, meaning yours, for themselves and all their hijos, hermanos, tios, and tias. In your house. For free. Si!

    Note that this is not a violent home invasion. These peaceful laborers have no weapons; they merely want to live in your house, and enjoy all your stuff, peacefully, and for free.

    Si se puede!

  61. Corvinus says:
    @Moses

    “Gobbledygook.”

    Gibberish. Your turn.

    “Still not getting it what your tweed-coat perfessor lekchur has to do with Star Wars featuring White villains and non-White heroes.”

    Yoda says “Hard to digest is truth. Cry like bitch you will”.

    “Can you dumb it down a bit more for us?”

    Will a picture book suffice?

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Malla
  62. Marcus says:
    @Marcus

    *Meant Dee Williams lol

  63. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    “White progressives have long fantasized about using aliens to put down their conservative ethnic enemies.”

    The sci-fi show Babylon 5 regularly featured stories of human terrorists (obvious stand-ins for caricatured white supremacists) planting bombs on the space station and assaulting defenseless aliens: human supremacists captured and tortured some aliens once, blew up a docking bay to get at the good white president who supported alien immigration and peace, and assaulted and branded another group of aliens. Another long-running plot line featured a white-male presidential usurper exploiting anti-alien sentiment, including anti-immigration sentiment, to take power and impose a dictatorship. Various other episodes featured stereotypical plots like “supremacist learns that purity is impossible or bad” (one alien species accidentally destroyed themselves by creating things that policed purity standards which no one could live up to). Those kinds of plot lines were common in lots of sci-fi shows in the 1990s. Something like this was also seen in Star Trek: Enterprise when one of the concluding episodes featured an anti-alien white male supremacist played by Peter Weller. This kind of thing was common back in the 1980s, too. The pilot of the show “The Greatest American Hero” (or something like that IIRC) featured a plot where a white male liberal schoolteacher is given a powerful suit by aliens, which he then uses to fight skinhead white neo-Nazi Christian supremacists (WTF?).

  64. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “ESPN Pulls Trailer for Movie Where Liberals Hunt ‘Deplorables’ for Sport”

    Hollywood has had a long history of taking out their political angst on the conservative normie population. There’s the odious Deliverance (1972) which came out during the same year as the much hated Richard Nixon ran for re-election on a Southern Strategy; other derogatory movies of that era include films such as the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. When Hollywood got its way in the 1976 presidential election, suddenly we got make nice movies and television shows featuring the Confederate Flag and country boys like the Duke brothers. But then, in the months after Jimmy Carter’s loss to Ronald Reagan, they filmed a vile movie called Southern Comfort, premiering in Reagan’s first year in office. The premise of that movie revolved around racist Louisiana National Guardsmen shooting it out with backwoods rednecks who are portrayed as troglodytes. The Confederate flag quickly went out of favor and movies like Song of the South were quietly banned (no longer offered for sale).

    Hollywood continued (escalated) its war on Reagan’s Middle America with movies like Mississippi Burning (1988) and Glory (1989), among many examples. But then Hollywood changed its tune once again in the early 90s around the time they wanted to make nice and win the presidential election, back when they needed white moderate votes to win. We got make nice movies like My Cousin Vinny (1992) and Forest Gump (1994). But then – you guessed it – there was a sudden reversal in Hollywood sentiment: the GOP took back congress in 1995.

    Afterwards, we got a race-swapped Will Smith as the protagonist in Wild Wild West; the antagonists were inbred Southerners. We got movies like Amistad (slave rebellion) and veiled references to Bill Clinton’s impeachment, negatively (not too unfairly if I’m being honest) portraying republicans. And the popular X-Files started running episodes depicting rural types as inbred cannibalistic monsters. It really hit the fan after Bush was elected over Al Gore. Movies like Big Fish, of similar vein to Forest Gump, were ignored; actor Danny DeVito said it would be a crime if the movie didn’t win some kind of award … I don’t think it did. Instead, we got a movie depicting a fictionalized assassination of president George W. Bush – denounced by actor Keven Costner in an interview with Entertainment Tonight. Television shows like The Simple Life mocked rural conservatives. Shows like Jersey Shore mocked stereotypical Italian whites (premiered first year of Obama, pre-production during W. Bush). And the list goes on [too extensive to compile here]. Examples: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake; Wrong Turn (backwoods inbred cannibals again); ….

    Of course, you probably know the trend continues to the present with relatively recent flicks like Red State, Avatar (hick antagonist), Lincoln*, and Django Unchained. In that light, The Hunt isn’t out of the ordinary. If Joe Biden were from Alabama and he won the presidency on a unity ticket, they’d once again change their minds and be nice again for a while. I don’t see that happening ever again, though.

    Now, it’s true that the crime rate and overall culture can effect the look, subject matter, and tone of movies (TMNT 1990 is probably the best example of this), but considering the enormity of the pattern I’ve noticed over the years, they certainly can’t be the only factors influencing what we see. Personally, I’ve always thought allowing a relatively small number of people with near-identical political beliefs to monopolize an insular industry that controls nearly the entire entertainment apparatus to be extremely dangerous. Unlike video games, movies are extremely influential (probably because live action movies are more realistic compared to cartoonish games). Ron Unz has correctly noted Birth of a Nation (1915) revived an essentially dead Klu Klux Klan. Movies like Django Unchained brainwashed millions of white liberals into thinking violence against bad whites is acceptable. And that’s one of the primary reasons for the Great Awokening: a relatively small number of politically like-minded people control an extremely influential movie industry, so when they worked themselves into a hate frenzy, you saw it reflected in the culture at large.

    Only recently have some of the more talented filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino taken a step back from the brink with more thoughtful movies like his most recent, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, a truly good movie IMHO. We’ll see if the trend continues, but I personally doubt it will hold if they are making (and are being allowed to make) films where white liberals gleefully murder their political enemies for sport.

    *Not mentioned in this movie, IIRC: 1) Lincoln approved the largest mass lynching in North American history during this time (see the book 38 Nooses) 2) some key abolitionist figures were racists who publicly advocated for the “extermination” of the red menace (Indians) in the halls of Northern legislatures.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  65. SF says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Suspect is Zachary Castaneda. From photos, I am guessing he is a triracial Hispanic.

  66. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Not to mention George ripped-off the closing scenes of Star Wars (1977) from Triumph of the Will.

  67. @Counterinsurgency

    Yep. Many of the gun sites say that if a knife wielder comes at you from just 20 feet away, he will be on you before you can get your gun out. I like Clint Eastwood movies but they ain’t real life.

    The best thing to do is GTFO and wait for the police. But you have to be situationaly aware to see that you need to GTFO. I am amazed at the number of people who walk around with headphones on and their eyes glued to their phones.

  68. Pericles says:
    @anon

    That was the premise of V: The Miniseries in 1982. In that show, aliens are bad white Nazis who hate the good white scientist/Zionist intellectuals, and the resistance fighters are mostly good whites who embrace racial diversity.

    On the other hand the aliens were cough, cough, space lizards.

  69. Pericles says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Isn’t Madison a university town?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  70. @Autochthon

    Even Lucas himself has openly expressed his distaste for what the suits at Disney have done with his legacy

    Lucas can console himself with the several billion dollars Disney gave him.

    Pat Conroy, who wrote Prince of Tides, was asked what he thought of the movie Streisand made out of the book. He said something like Streisand gave me a lot of money for the movie rights, so she can do what she wants.

  71. Pericles says:
    @Lot

    Has anyone asked Bob why he now calls himself Beto?

  72. El Dato says:
    @Ozymandias

    District 9 is “anti”.

    As iSteve wrote here:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/alien_nation/

    Peter Jackson and Neill Blomkamp’s Malthusian fable of post-Apartheid Johannesburg.

    District 9, a violent science fiction movie set in a Johannesburg slum inhabited by 1.8 million feckless refugee space aliens, is the critical and commercial ($37 million opening weekend) hit of the moment.

    Yet, few Americans (except the black critic Armond White, who has made himself wildly unpopular with fanboys of District 9 by pointing out the film’s strikingly caustic portrayal of black Africans) seem to grasp writer-director Neill Blomkamp’s subversive perspective, even though the exiled Afrikaner keeps giving interviews more or less spelling it out.

  73. El Dato says:
    @Justvisiting

    But there was no Internet when V came out. The best we had were dial-up modems and AT&T leased lines.

    Anyway, it’s not as if “people being brainwashed by their telecom devices” is exactly rare. Pretty sure it was at least 3 times on the X-files.

  74. El Dato says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Sturmtruppen” are military assault sections of WWI:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper

    Stormtroopers were specialist soldiers of the German Army in World War I. In the last years of the war, Stoßtruppen (“shock troops” or “shove troops”) were trained to fight with “infiltration tactics”, part of the Germans’ new method of attack on enemy trenches. Men trained in these methods were known in Germany as Sturmmann (“storm man”, usually translated as “stormtrooper”), formed into companies of Sturmtruppen (“assault troops”, or more often and less accurately “storm troops”).

    Burning hell on Earth. And for what! For suicide.

    Here’s is Charles Stross on jackboots in space (from “Palimpsest”)):

    “Why am I here?” Pierce demanded.

    A snort. “Why do you think?”

    “You’re me.” Pierce shrugged. “Me with a whole lot more experience and age, and an attitude problem.” They’d dressed him in the formal parade robes of a Stasis agent rather than the black jumpsuits that seemed to be de rigueur around this place. It was a petty move, to enforce his alienation: and besides, it had no pockets. To fight back, he focused on the absurd. Black jumpsuits and shiny boots, on a spaceship? Someone around here clearly harbored thespian fantasies. “And now you’ve got me.”

  75. J.Ross says:

    Fake news has a steady supply of fake experts (like Malcom Nance and Egghead McMuffin), and today Dennis Prager pointed up one genius, who apparently advised the FBI at one point. He is concerned that the raising of the flags on August 8th (after they were lowered for the shooting victims) will be interpreted by neo-Nazis (all eight of them) as an endorsement, since H is the eighth letter so 8 8 = HH or Heil Hitler. I would’ve laughed less if he connected it to Israel and NATO’s proxy war over the Ossetias because that would be less crazy.
    When “Islamophobic” experts try to talk with this level of detail they are labeled as cranks, and of course they’re not really allowed to talk in the first place, but they’re talking about hundreds of millions of people, and they’re basing their ideas on widely accepted mainstream jurisprudential texts and central theology. And instead of that, the fake news offers you schoolboy alphabet codes, possibly meaningful to enough people to play a game of stickball. Amid much hand-wringing about Trump by of all people Brian Williams. Yes, Brian Williams. Quite appropriate that he’s rehabilitated and back in the saddle, what with democracy dying in darkness and all, although you never can be sure if it’s Brian Williams or if it’s somebody else claiming to be Brian Williams in a Brian Williams-esque tribute joke.
    Prager pointed out that of course this means that his colleague Hugh Hewitt is going to have to change his name.

  76. syonredux says:
    @eah

    Ari Aster wants to be sure that people get the anti-White subtext in Midsommar:

    There’s also the question of the predominate whiteness of Midsommar. As my allotted time with Aster nears its end, I make sure to ask about the whiteness of the film, of which there are only three people of color. Aster chooses to be late to his next appointment to chat about what’s a pretty blaring asterisk hanging over the film.

    “You will notice that the white members of the visiting community are used for more than just their bodies to be sacrificed, whereas the others are thrown aside… It’s in the margins of the film and it’s kind of consistently in the periphery, so I don’t want to talk too explicitly about it because the film is not a polemic, although there are politics strewn in. But, yes, there are illusions to Swedish history, especially the last century,” Aster says. There is a Nazi book on prominent display in an early scene. The banner that you see in the trailer as the group travels to the village says, “Stoppa Massinvandringer till Hälsingland,” Stop Mass Immigration to Hälsingland. “That’s definitely there,” Aster says. “I’m glad people are catching it. It’s an important part.”

    https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28262830/jack-reynor-ari-aster-midsommar-interview-nudity/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Pericles
  77. @Bardon Kaldian

    The first link “diversity increases risk of psychotic episodes”.

    Are you saying an immigration moratorium plus aggressive deportation of illegals is more likely than any conceivable gun law to reduce mass killings?

    Huh.

  78. @Anon

    “Corvinus is back. You know what that means.”

    Damn that First Step Act.

  79. NYT article today about all the Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity that has been going in Ferguson, Missouri, since the police shooting of that famous “unarmed, black teenager”:

    He’s a Veteran of Upheaval, Molded by Ferguson’s Traumas. He’s 7.
    Five years after Ferguson, Mo., was upended by a police shooting, setting off a national reckoning, a generation has grown up amid uneven progress.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/us/ferguson-riots-michael-brown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage&login=email&auth=login-email

    Lots of low-IQ Ferguson bruthas quoted as saying that they’re traumatized by what happened to that unarmed black teenager who was peacefully strolling home after robbing a store and, when dissed by a cop, decided to attack that cop.

    So Ferguson, including the Ferguson Police Department, is now pretty much run by blacks, and yet inexplicably there’s lots of crime and there are lots of abandoned stores and dwellings. No doubt redlining many years ago is the cause, and we need Raj Chetty to come in and sort it all out. Or better yet have America’s Foremost Public Intellectual (= Teh-Genius Coates) explain.

    • Agree: jim jones
  80. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    blaring asterisk

    What do Gauls have to do with any of this hate?

    But, yes, there are illusions to Swedish history, especially the last century

    Like the illusion that they can survive massive immigration?

    You will notice that the white members of the visiting community are used for more than just their bodies to be sacrificed

    Good. I’m totally into hard S&M & gore.

    Much of the success of Midsommar is that over the course of 180 minutes, it slowly raises the bar of what is horrifying until you find yourself ecstatically nodding along in the final moments of pure insanity. Each moment of horror is telegraphed so far in advance that you’ve not only seen it coming, but you’ve accepted it before you even see it. There’s a sense of inevitability that is delivered with a measure of calm so that you’re almost never surprised, until you surprise yourself by your own ability to accept these horrors.

    I always wanted to play Khmer Rouge equity manager.

    No wait, this is about self-hating, completely confused whitey, right?

    As Domina Franco, a New York-based sex educator and writer explains, the treatment of women in horror movies is often a reflection of what’s happening in our real world.

    Yeah Domina, tell us what you think.

    “But the truth is there is this massive question mark of what would be the retribution of the centuries of oppression that women or femme bodied people have experienced? What would the oppressor face as retribution?”

    Yeah, Arab and African men will all be castrated and ana … wait, this is about white cisgender men, right?

    Of course it is.

    Jacket by Boss; shirt by Eytys; Pants by Our Legacy.

    We need to nuke large swathes of the industrial-entertainment complex from orbit, complete with the attached feeding financier kraken. It’s the only way to be sure! Radiation sickness will take care of any hanger-ons like the above.

  81. Richard S says:
    @Bigdicknick

    “Feminist praxis” is one thing, but its “theory” is almost entirely sublated ethnic resentment against healthy young Europeans falling in love and making blond babies in their 20s and 30s.

    What is sound and natural for us is like holy water and the devil to them

  82. Kronos says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I failed to press your reply button. Look for the hipster lightbulb meme down below.

  83. Kronos says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Are these Midwest white residents more culturally or economically liberal?

    • Replies: @Corn
    , @Paleo Liberal
  84. Corn says:
    @Kronos

    That’s a good question. In my pocket of rural Illinois, I’ve known quite a few white (and often male) Democrats in my time. Ninety percent of them vote Democrat because they view Republicans as the party of the rich, not because they have a strong love for affirmative action, a burning desire to implement gun control or outdo NARAL in Roe v Wade absolutism.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  85. @Kronos

    Depends.

    There are a certain number of liberals in Wisconsin who are culturally conservative but economically liberal. They like to hunt, they go to church, many oppose gay marriage, many support the death penalty which has only been used once in the history of the state (it went very badly and grossed out the spectators so was banned soon after). Probably less culturally conservative than a conservative rural Midwesterner, and probably far less culturally conservative than a conservative rural southerner, but more culturally conservative than a city dweller on the average.

  86. @El Dato

    Titty bars being hassled by a Ms “Rakoff” fnarr fnarr.

    Sasha Rakoff? Fine old Welsh name that. Or something.

  87. @Corvinus

    And now you’re doing it to us. Glad we’ve cleared that up.
    For a minute there I thought we were never going to get the chance to do it back, after you try and fail. Although at the moment it looks like the Chinese will do it instead, slipping in while we were distracted.

  88. Moses says:
    @Corvinus

    Still not getting it Corvi.

    Maybe you’re using your tony educashun to say “White Man Bad. Not White Man Good.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  89. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    I’ll keep it simple for you. Several European nations engaged in imperialism, i.e. invade the world, invite the world, in the late 1800’s. They did some good things with it, but they also did some really bad things with it.

    MMMM…..

    Zulu Conquests:

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000
    Eugene Walter, Terror and Resistance (1969) :
    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka’s wars.
    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000
    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”
    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him”
    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)
    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 (“At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated” the interior.)
    Hanson, Carnage and Culture, p. 313: “Shaka … slaughtered 50,000 of his enemies in battle…. As many as 1 million native Africans had been killed and starved to death as a direct result of Shaka’s imperial dreams.”

    Mongol Conquests:

    Colin McEvedy, Atlas of World Population History (1978):
    China Proper: In the text, he states that the population declined by 35 million as the Mongols reduced the country to subjugation during the 13th Century. In the Chart, the population drops from 115M to 85M between 1200 and 1300 CE. (p.172)
    Iran: Charted population declined from 5.0M to 3.5M
    Afghanistan: from 2.50M to 1.75M
    Russia-in-Europe: 7.5M to 7M
    This indicates a total population decline of some 37.75 million.

    Turkish Massacres of Armenians:

    The big massacres occured in 1915, but there were rumblings before and after:
    1909:
    Rummel: 30,000
    Eckhardt: 6,000
    1915-18 (generally included in the Death Tolls for World War One)
    Britannica: 600,000
    Dict.Wars: 600,000 died of starvation, disease and exhaustion
    Steven Katz in Is the Holocaust Unique? (Rosenbaum, ed.): 475,800 – 775,800
    Encarta: 800,000
    Kuper: 800,000
    Sabrina Tavernise, “Nearly a Million Genocide Victims, Covered in a Cloak of Amnesia”, New York Times, March 8, 2009. “According to a long-hidden document that belonged to the interior minister of the Ottoman Empire, 972,000 Ottoman Armenians disappeared from official population records from 1915 through 1916.”
    Martin Gilbert, A History of the Twentieth Century: 1,000,000
    Eckhardt: 1,000,000 civ.
    Robert Melson in Is the Holocaust Unique?: 1,000,000
    Christopher Walker, Armenia : The Survival of a Nation (1980): 1,000,000 (in Turkey, 1915-16), plus an additional 50-100,000 (invasion of the Caucasus, 1918)
    Alan Palmer, The Decline & Fall of the Ottoman Empire (1992)
    Official Turkish est.: 300,000
    max. Armenian claims: 2M
    probable: >1,300,000 during war and aftermath
    Porter: 1,000,000 to 1,500,000
    Rummel: 1,404,000 domestic, 83,000 foreign
    War Annual 8 (1997): 1,500,000

    The Manchu Genocide of the Dzungar :

    The Qianlong Emperor moved the remaining Dzungar people to other places in China. He ordered the generals to kill all the Dzungar men in Barkol or Suzhou (modern Jiuquan, Gansu), and divided their wives and children among the Qing soldiers.[14][15] In his account of the war, Qing scholar Wei Yuan, wrote that about 50% of the Dzungar households were killed by smallpox, 20% fled to Russia or the Kazakh Khanate, and 30% were killed by the army, leaving no yurts in an area for several thousand li, except those of the surrendered.[1][16][17][18][19] Clarke wrote 80%, or between 480,000 and 600,000 people, were killed between 1755 and 1758 in what “amounted to the complete destruction of not only the Dzungar state but of the Dzungars as a people.”[1][20] 80% of the Dzungars died in the genocide.[21]

    Qing Bannermen and Mongol cavalry made up the initial expeditionary army. As the campaigns progressed, tens of thousands of Green Standard infantrymen were also brought in.[22] The men, women and children of the Dzungars were all slaughtered by Manchu soldiers according to Russian accounts.[23] It was not until generations later that the population of Dzungaria began to rebound.[24]

    Historian Peter Perdue has shown that the destruction of the Dzungars was the result of an explicit policy of extermination launched by the Qianlong Emperor,[1] Perdue attributed it to a “deliberate use of massacre” and has described it as an “ethnic genocide”.[25] Although it has been largely ignored by modern scholars,[1] historian Mark Levene[26] wrote that the extermination of the Dzungars was “arguably the eighteenth century genocide par excellence.”[27]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide#Genocide

    Then there’s Japan’s somewhat less than Quakerish incursion into China:

    The Three Alls Policy (Chinese: 三光政策; pinyin: Sānguāng Zhèngcè, Japanese: 三光作戦 Sankō Sakusen) was a Japanese scorched earth policy adopted in China during World War II, the three “alls” being “kill all, burn all, loot all”[1] (Japanese: 殺し尽くし・焼き尽くし・奪い尽くす Hepburn: koroshi tsukushi-yaki tsukushi-ubai tsukusu, Chinese: 殺光、燒光、搶光). This policy was designed as retaliation against the Chinese for the Communist-led Hundred Regiments Offensive in December 1940.[2] Contemporary Japanese documents referred to the policy as “The Burn to Ash Strategy” (燼滅作戦 Jinmetsu Sakusen).[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

    Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊 Hepburn: Nana-san-ichi Butai), also referred to as Detachment 731, the 731 Regiment, Manshu Detachment 731, The Kamo Detachment[3]:198, or the Ishii Company, was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Imperial Japan. Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    etc, etc, etc….

    • Replies: @Moses
  90. Moses says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The Empire were all white men from the very start in 1977. Except for the Darth Vader voice.

    Yes. And all the good guys (except Lando) were White men too in 1977 and 1980 and 1983.

    But rather than Diversity enriching the Empire and the Rebellion equally in The Current Year sequels, only the Rebellion has been enriched. All the Rebel heroes are non-Whites. The Empire is as White as ever.

    I know it sounds crazy, but it’s almost as if the (((producers))) hate White men, want them marginalized and demonized.

    Weird.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  91. Moses says:
    @syonredux

    Save your breath, Syon.

    Login got nuttin’ to do with with it re:our friend Corvi.

    White Man Bad. Not White Man Good.

  92. Moses says:
    @Autochthon

    These new films are no more Star Wars than the works of some sicko writing “fan-fiction” in his basement about butt-sex between Legolas and Gimli or Samwise and Frodo is The Lord of the Rings.

    Lol!!

    You captured my sentiment exactly.

    “Star Wars” ended for me after “Return of the Jedi.” I accept nothing else as part of the canon.

    I tried to watch “The Force Awakens” on a plane. I lasted for about 10 minutes before turning it off in disgust.

    It was like watching a dead loved one be reanimated by a clumsy, malignant puppeteer. The familiar images were there, but the soul was gone and replaced by a clanking, staggering mess. Lucas’ crappy Episodes 1-3 look like “Citizen Kane” next to those.

    Re: George Lucas, give me a break about his complaining what Disney did to his baby. He knew what he was doing when he sold it for $1 billion or whatever. It’s not like he needed the money.

  93. Kronos says:
    @Corn

    It seems to be the New Deal/Great Society divide. The one that created the Reagan Democrats and such. They didn’t so much leave the Democratic Party as were kicked out by underclass blacks and yuppie whites. Or at the very least kicked into the outer orbit of the party.

  94. @Pericles

    Yes.

    Most people in town are not associated with the university, but many, including some in my family, are students or employees.

    And even many of the students and employees are manly men. And most of those are liberals.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @JMcG
  95. syonredux says:
    @anon

    *Not mentioned in this movie, IIRC: 1) Lincoln approved the largest mass lynching in North American history during this time (see the book 38 Nooses) 2)

    Mass hanging, not lynching. And Lincoln pardoned quite a few of them:

    Lincoln somehow – despite his many other pressing responsibilities in running the country and conducting the War – completed his review of the transcripts of the 303 trials in under a month; and on 11 December 1862, he addressed the Senate regarding his final decision (as he had been requested to do by a resolution passed by that body on 5 December 1862): “Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on the one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I caused a careful examination of the records of trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females. Contrary to my expectations, only two of this class were found. I then directed a further examination, and a classification of all who were proven to have participated in massacres , as distinguished from participation in battles. This class numbered forty, and included the two convicted of female violation. One of the number is strongly recommended by the commission which tried them for commutation to ten years’ imprisonment. I have ordered the other thirty-nine to be executed on Friday, the 19th instant.”[29]

    In the end, Lincoln commuted the death sentences of 264 prisoners, but he allowed the execution of 39 men. However, “[on] December 23, [Lincoln] suspended the execution of one of the condemned men […] after [General] Sibley telegraphed that new information led him to doubt the prisoner’s guilt.”[25] Thus, the number of condemned men was reduced to the final thirty-eight.

    Even partial clemency resulted in protests from Minnesota, which persisted until the Secretary of the Interior offered white Minnesotans “reasonable compensation for the depredations committed.” Republicans did not fare as well in Minnesota in the 1864 election as they had before. Ramsey (by then a senator) informed Lincoln that more hangings would have resulted in a larger electoral majority. The President reportedly replied, “I could not afford to hang men for votes.”[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862#Execution

  96. syonredux says:
    @anon

    That was the premise of V: The Miniseries in 1982. In that show, aliens are bad white Nazis who hate the good white scientist/Zionist intellectuals, and the resistance fighters are mostly good whites who embrace racial diversity. In V: the Final Battle, one of the resistance fighters is a white priest who fought with terrorist South African guerillas against the Apartheid regime (check out SA today for how that worked out). Nazi imagery is used repeatedly throughout the show and most of the main baddies are white. They also herd people into concentration camps where they are first gassed and then packaged for food or conscripted to fight in “The Leader’s” war, with said leader being an indirect reference to Adolf Hitler.

    On the positive side, the aliens had lots of good-looking chicks with sexy ’80s hair:

    Plus, the aforementioned sexy chicks will occasionally put on KISS-style makeup and fight to the death:

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  97. @Moses

    And all the good guys (except Lando) were White men

    Also Chewbacca, Leia.

    But it was a galaxy full of alien species, as per the cantina scene. But there were no Wookies or Greedos on the Death Star. The only aliens on a Star Destroyer were bounty hunters, who the nazi guy calls “scum”.

    The Empire Strikes Back | Bounty Hunter scene

  98. @Paleo Liberal

    The Driftless area went for Trump this time. Except for the wipeouts of 1972 and 1984, they were among the most loyal rural white Democrats.

    Across the river, Dubuque County went Republican for the first time in 60 years. That was for Ike.

    Something about the Donald spoke to the condition of these rural “manly liberals.”

  99. Here’s a die to die for:

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  100. Pericles says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    And even many of the students and employees are manly men. And most of those are liberals.

    Mmmhm.

  101. Pericles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m guessing made in the 70s.

  102. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    The gratitude of a Jew, exhibit #6,000,000.

    Though it might be even more annoying that Denmark gets to ship out their Jews during WW2 and get all the credit for it and no Jews. Guess who took them in though? That’s right, us nazis from Sweden, and for some reason it’s all been downhill for us from there on.

    Save you once, shame on you. Save you twice … “Never again!”

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  103. JMcG says:
    @eah

    The resemblance to Ivanka Trump cannot be coincidental.

  104. JMcG says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    My old climbing partner is such a man as you describe. Ivy faculty, dilettante mountaineer (as was I) and extremely liberal. Definitely held himself up as, and was regarded by others, as a manly man.
    The thing is, he is a complete physical coward. Runs from the least threat of imagined interpersonal violence like a sheep from a dog. He even made sure that the underage girls he fooled around with didn’t have a father or any older brothers around.

  105. Dissident says:
    @El Dato

    Not Buying It, a group led by well-known activist Sasha Rakoff has been terrorizing gentlemen’s clubs across England in recent months, by sending in undercover former police detectives to covertly film inside, and to document any instances of deliberate touching of the clients by the performers, which is banned under UK licensing regulations. The resultant tapes have been submitted to local councils in a bid to get the establishments shut down, with public petitions and newspaper coverage to accompany the drive.

    Now this is serious. If we lose strip joints, it will really be over for Western civilization.

    Also, “terrorizing”? Isn’t that a bit melodramatic?

  106. Dissident says:
    @Bigdicknick

    lol love how dictionary.com has to tell you use of the phrase is “disgusting.” I’ve never seen a definition include a moral judgment before!

    Dictionary.com would appear quite woke.

    Gender & Sexuality

    Don’t be ignorant—stay up to date with this gender and sexuality terminology so you can support and embrace genderfluid, nonbinary, and other peoples without worry.

    How The Letter “X” Creates More Gender-Neutral Language

  107. Corvinus says:
    @Moses

    “Maybe you’re using your tony educashun to say “White Man Bad. Not White Man Good.”

    That would be YOUR interpretation. Although, if you do want to get Sailerlike, let us NOTICE in our current ideological climate who are the Bad Guys and who are the Good Guys.

    BAD
    Trouble maker white –> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white –> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white –> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white –> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not –> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites –> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white –> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white –> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white –> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

    You may be excused.

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    , @Moses
  108. Dissident says:
    @songbird

    Mating with aliens evolved on a different planet and having half-alien children?

    Reminds me of something I recall hearing from the late NYC talk-radio personality Lynn Samuels. Explaining her skepticism and dismissal of claims of alien abductions, Samuels pointed-to the prevalence in such reports of certain prurient details. To paraphrase from memory,

    I mean, they just seem too interested in probing our orifices.

    Incidentally, one of my favorite lines from Samuels:

    Caller (in what I recall as a kind of nerdy-, wimpy-sounding voice): I mean, I wouldn’t want to offend your feminist sensibilities or anything.

    Lynn Samuels: Honey, I don’t have any feminist sensibilities.

  109. NickG says:
    @eah

    My son is studying Industrial Engineering at University of Pretoria — colloquially known as TUKS (Transvaalse UniversiteitsKollege ) — it has a great Engineering faculty and they follow the MIT syllabus.

    Nice campus too.

  110. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Several European nations engaged in imperialism, i.e. invade the world, invite the world, in the late 1800’s.

    People have been invading each other from the beginning of time. Nothing unique about European Imperialism. And there was very little invite the World at that time. British India was a far better place to live than Ottoman Empire or Soviet Union.

    seizing natural resources, violence against indigenous peoples, exploitation of cheap labor.

    Cheap labour but low productive labour, not very useful in the long run.
    natural resources – many of the local peoples were primitives and would have no use of those natural resources, without White mans technology many of those resources could not be used to their maximum. In return, the Europeans built infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  111. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Assuming Wndy Ji is Han Chinese, maybe she needs to listen this brotha

    Chinese guy tells Congolese, the Belgians had built such great infrastructure, which we in China did not have in the 1930s (as China was not colonized in the same extent) , you Congolese ruined everything. From the documentary Empire of Dust

    A comment from a Congolese guy on this video.

    Roderick Balenda writes
    8 months ago (edited)
    “I have already given upon Africa, I am sick and tired our lack of self-respect. The Chinese man who commented about what is going on in the Democratic Republic of Congo is right. This is what infuriates me, how come a country, which was once Africa’s second industrialized country after South Africa falls into pieces? How come a country that once had a First World infrastructure now becomes a hellhole? It is because we chose to destroy everything and I am fed up. I just wanna work hard and create my own life – I am not going to waste time on those who want to be average. This video puts me in tears.”

  112. Malla says:
    @Pericles

    Though it might be even more annoying that Denmark gets to ship out their Jews during WW2 and get all the credit for it and no Jews.

    The Danes were pretty smart. Two birds with one stone. Get rid of your Jews and Jew media treats you like heroes. What a deal.
    Now they are not smart, allowing loads of Muslims and other non Whites into their country.

  113. @Paleo Liberal

    So the maniacs in Washington start wars at the ends of the earth, and if they lose they pay back their allies by.. letting them live with some poor schmucks in the Midwest who had nothing to do with Vietnam, and never asked for any Hmong neighbors

  114. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “Cheap labour but low productive labour, not very useful in the long run.”

    Actually, it was cheap AND productive over several hundred years.

    “Nothing unique about European Imperialism.”

    To the contrary, “the period featured an unprecedented pursuit of overseas territorial acquisitions. At the time, states focused on building their empires with new technological advances and developments, expanding their territory through conquest, and exploiting the resources of the subjugated countries. During the era of New Imperialism, the Western powers (and Japan) individually conquered almost all of Africa and parts of Asia. The new wave of imperialism reflected ongoing rivalries among the great powers, the economic desire for new resources and markets, and a “civilizing mission” ethos.”

    “natural resources – many of the local peoples were primitives and would have no use of those natural resources, without White mans technology many of those resources could not be used to their maximum.”

    The local peoples were “primitive” only when it came to technology. They also used those natural resources that were violently seized. Moreover, the gold, diamonds, and other valuable minerals would have been used as currency to further develop their economy.

    “In return, the Europeans built infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc…”

    How benevolent of Europeans to jackboot them and demand that they forgo their own cultural heritage.

  115. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Check out these videos by Prof Henry Louis Gate Junior

    African kingdoms were major part in slavery. they did not stop slavery, Europeans did.
    The African soldier of the past proudly says they are a military people who sold slaves.
    at 06:52 African kings played a big role in the slave trade, many African kingdoms depended on slavery. Before Europeans landed in Africa, slavery was already in the system, it were slaves who worked for African kings.
    at 22:38 to 23:04 Ashanti made a lot of money on slavery
    at 30:04 Dahomey Kingdom was so warlike that other Africans had to make a venice like village in a lake to escape.
    at 31:30 the Dahohomey and neighbouring Kingdoms traded in slaves for ammunition. Dahomey themselves 1 million as slaves.
    the Dahomey even sacrificed their enemies, yes human sacrifice.
    At 33:20, the Dahomey were warlike, wars every year. Enemies were beheaded. Conquest and power and being greedy of power was considered a good thing for the King to have in Dahomey culture.
    At 34:50 Human sacrifice of enemy kings
    At 37:38 How much slavery was in the Dahomey kingdom
    At 45:15 a black guy of Benin said that the people sold into slavery were lucky or they would have been sacrificed, so slavery saved the lives of the blacks sold as slaves.

    The truth is the Dahomey are normal, most (not all) human societies believed in increase of power and there is no guilt towards it. Your king is supposed to conquer and expand. No guilt about it. The Modern West is unique about it’s guilt of conquest. That makes the West abnormal. Other societies not so much, maybe the odd king like Emperor Ashoka.

  116. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, it was cheap AND productive over several hundred years.

    Only cheap not much productive. Most third world countries still suffer from low productivity.

    To the contrary, “the period featured an unprecedented pursuit of overseas territorial acquisitions. At the time, states focused on building their empires with new technological advances and developments, expanding their territory through conquest, and exploiting the resources of the subjugated countries. During the era of New Imperialism, the Western powers (and Japan) individually conquered almost all of Africa and parts of Asia. The new wave of imperialism reflected ongoing rivalries among the great powers, the economic desire for new resources and markets, and a “civilizing mission” ethos.”

    Yawn!!! Have been happening from the dawn of time. Nothing new here. Maybe just the scale was bigger. But given the chance/ abilities, your average African kingdom or non-Japanese Asian kingdom or Native American kingdom would have done the same

    The local peoples were “primitive” only when it came to technology. They also used those natural resources that were violently seized. Moreover, the gold, diamonds, and other valuable minerals would have been used as currency to further develop their economy

    The locals benefited enormously from this. Today their standard of living is much higher. They can go back to their primitive lives. Nobody is stopping them but they PREFER European/Japanese technology and its benefits.

    demand that they forgo their own cultural heritage.

    What forgo their culture? Most cultures in Africa and Asia, at least still survive. In India, the British took active steps to preserve local cultures.

    Ghana/Gold coast, once part of British Empire, yes.

    The Akan still celebrate their culture just like before. They have their culture and advanced technology from West/Russia and East Asia.

    Kenya, once part of British Empire yes?

    Well we see the Masai still celebrating their culture.

    Vietnam once part of French Empire, yes?

    They still celebrate their traditional festivals
    What are you blabbering?

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  117. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    How benevolent of Europeans

    Very benevolent. If we Indians had conquered some African kingdom, most likely, we would have built shit, just looted. Same likewise if some African kingdom would have conquered a part of India.

  118. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Estimates on how many Bengalis were massacred by the Pakistanis back in 1971…..

    The high estimates of how many Bengalis were massacred are almost 10 times the low estimates:
    Obermeyer, “Fifty years of violent war deaths… ” (2008): 269,000 killed
    margin of error: 125,000 to 505,000
    in contrast, Obermeyer cites earlier Uppsala/PRIO est.: 58,000
    WHPSI: 307,013 deaths by pol.viol. in Pakistan, 1971.
    D.Smith says 500,000
    S&S: 500,000 (Civil War, Mar.-Dec. 1971)
    1984 World Almanac: up to 1,000,000 civilians were killed.
    Hartman: 1,000,000 Bengalis
    B&J: 1,000,000 Bengalis
    Kuper cites a study by Chaudhuri which counted 1,247,000 dead, and mentions the possibility that it may be as many as 3,000,000.
    Porter: 1M-2M
    MEDIAN: 1,500,000
    Rummel: 1,500,000.
    Eckhardt: 1,000,000 civ. + 500,000 mil. = 1,500,000 (Bangladesh)
    Harff & Gurr: 1,250,000 to 3,000,000
    The official estimate in Bangladesh is 3 million dead. [AP 30 Dec. 2000; Agence France Presse 3 Oct. 2000;
    Rounaq Johan: 3,000,000 (in Century of Genocide: Eyewitness Accounts and Critical Views, Samuel Totten, ed., (1997))
    Compton’s Encyclopedia, “Genocide”: 3,000,000
    Encyclopedia Americana (2003), “Bangladesh”: 3,000,000

  119. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Arab slave trade…….

    Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:

    From 650-1600 CE
    Citing Ralph Austen:
    Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
    Red Sea: 1.6M
    East Africa: 0.8M
    TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
    Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
    17th Century
    Sahara: 0.7M
    Red Sea: 0.1M
    East Africa: 0.1M
    TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
    18th C
    Sahara: 0.7M
    Red Sea: 0.2M
    East Africa: 0.4M
    TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
    19th C
    Sahara: 1.2M
    Red Sea: 0.45M
    East Africa: 0.442M
    TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
    TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
    Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:

    7th C: 0.1M
    8th C: 0.2M
    9th C: 0.4M
    10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
    14th C: 1.0M
    15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
    First half 20th C.: 300,000
    TOTAL: 14M shipped
    What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:

    Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
    Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
    Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
    British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
    Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
    UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
    Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
    Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)

  120. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “Only cheap not much productive. Most third world countries still suffer from low productivity.”

    Thanks for changing the goalposts. We were discussing cheap, productive labor in the context of European imperialism. The colonial masters r(e)aped in the profits compliments of paying native workers a pittance. You can thank white people for globalist hegemony.

    “African kingdoms were major part in slavery. they did not stop slavery, Europeans did.”

    Let us be accurate here. Europeans expanded chattel slavery worldwide in the 1500 and 1600’s. African kingdoms had engaged in slavery as prisoners of war or payment for debt, but not on the scale you image prior to European involvement. It was enough to supply the demand for slaves within Africa, but not enough to supply the demand from outside. As the demand from the Arabs and Europeans intensified, warfare and raids to get slaves and the kidnapping of individuals increased.

    Furthermore, it was European Christians as well as African tribes who worked in concert to stop slavery from the Arab-European globalists. The anti-slavery movement in Europe served as a casus belli for the European colonization of the interior of Africa in the late 1800’s–it central theme of the Brussels Anti-Slavery Conference –> save Africa from itself.

    “Nothing new here. Maybe just the scale was bigger…”

    The scale was bigger and its impact devastating for local peoples.

    “Today their standard of living is much higher.”

    Indeed, but at what price?

    “They can go back to their primitive lives.”

    Primitive from a technological standpoint.

    “What forgo their culture?”

    The cultural practices had to be kept hidden, as European social standards were strictly enforced. Africans generally against their will had to learn the language and customs of their conquerers.

    “In India, the British took active steps to preserve local cultures.”

    Not quite.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/539911/how-the-british-influenced-indian-culture

    “At the same time ‘educational institutions’ were established in the country, with the sole agenda of wiping out the thought of freedom from the minds of Indian youth by inculcating in them the ‘value’ of British presence in the subcontinent. It was assumed that these institutions spread ‘modern education.’ This modern education had less to do with disseminating scientific, rational thinking and more to do with an acquiescence of West’s superiority. Pran Neville, a student of Government College in the late colonial era writes, “we were keen to look modern, act modern, and imbibe modern ideas in general, which in other words, meant that we gladly welcomed western influences.” This modernity, thus, did not ‘educate’ them to question, but ‘trained’ them to obey their masters.

    An analysis of colonial system of education reveals that they were concerned only with teaching subjects related to social studies and humanities; understandably, to shatter the native confidence in their identity. They were never serious in spreading critical or scientific thinking because that would have resulted in accelerating the freedom struggle.”

    “Very benevolent.”

    Not really. Benevolence requires restraint and kindness. The Europeans ran roughshod over them.

    “If we Indians had conquered some African kingdom…”

    You only play one on Internet TV.

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Moses
  121. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    The Manchu didn’t fool around….

    China, fall of the Ming Dynasty (1618-44)
    Ming/Qing Transition
    Colin McEvedy, Atlas of World Population History (1978): Manchu conquest cost China 25M people, or one sixth of the population, 1600-1650
    Alan McFarlane, The Savage Wars of Peace: England, Japan and the Malthusian Trap (2003): 25M or 17% of the pop.

  122. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    The colonial masters r(e)aped in the profits compliments of paying native workers a pittance

    In India at least some of the biggest owners of companies were Indians themselves like the Tatas and Birlas. Productivity in India was low as shown by many economists like Landes. At the same time the coast of living in India was lower than Britain too.

    Europeans expanded chattel slavery worldwide in the 1500 and 1600’s.

    Yes, this I agree. The scale did increase, no denying that.

    Furthermore, it was European Christians as well as African tribes who worked in concert to stop slavery from the Arab-European globalists.

    Many African tribes resisted it.

    Indeed, but at what price?

    What price?

    Primitive from a technological standpoint.

    Obviously.

    The cultural practices had to be kept hidden, as European social standards were strictly enforced. Africans generally against their will had to learn the language and customs of their conquerers.

    In some cases yes, but most African cultures existed just fine.

    The Watussi in Belgian Congo.

    A tribal funeral.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Corvinus
  123. Malla says:

    “At the same time ‘educational institutions’ were established in the country, with the sole agenda of wiping out the thought of freedom from the minds of Indian youth by inculcating in them the ‘value’ of British presence in the subcontinent. It was assumed that these institutions spread ‘modern education.’ This modern education had less to do with disseminating scientific, rational thinking and more to do with an acquiescence of West’s superiority. Pran Neville, a student of Government College in the late colonial era writes, “we were keen to look modern, act modern, and imbibe modern ideas in general, which in other words, meant that we gladly welcomed western influences.” This modernity, thus, did not ‘educate’ them to question, but ‘trained’ them to obey their masters.

    An analysis of colonial system of education reveals that they were concerned only with teaching subjects related to social studies and humanities; understandably, to shatter the native confidence in their identity. They were never serious in spreading critical or scientific thinking because that would have resulted in accelerating the freedom struggle.”

    This is the most idiotic thing I have ever read, can fool a YT but not an Indian like me. Before British Empire, mostt Hindus did not have the right to education as it was reserved for Brahmins. It was western education which brought freedom of thought.

    This modernity, thus, did not ‘educate’ them to question, but ‘trained’ them to obey their masters.

    The most idiotic comment ever. Western education allowed us to question for the first time.

    An analysis of colonial system of education reveals that they were concerned only with teaching subjects related to social studies and humanities; understandably, to shatter the native confidence in their identity. They were never serious in spreading critical or scientific thinking because that would have resulted in accelerating the freedom struggle.

    Again, laughable with no proof and some dumb declarations with no backing. People write nonsense out of their ass. never interestd in spreading scientific thinking? only teaching humanities and social science? How can people write such non sense? and how can people believe such nonsense?

    Jnanendra Nath Mukherjee, an internationally reputed Indian chemist studied in the Municipal high School, Burdwan, Mukherjee appeared in March 1909 at the last Entrance Examination of the Calcutta University and got a District Scholarship. Jnanendra Nath was a student of Presidency College (1909–1915) and received his BSc (1913) and MSc (1915) degrees of the Calcutta University. Based on his thesis for MSc Degree a paper on Electric Synthesis of Colloids was published in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (1915,39,292)

    If the British Raj did not allow the teaching of science, pray tell me how Mr Mukherjee did a BSc and MSc in Calcutta Universtiy in British India? Bsc is bachelor of Science and MSc is Master of Science, right?

    And what about this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Engineering_Science_and_Technology,_Shibpur

    In 1906 Mining Engineering as a discipline was first started in India in this college to meet the requirements of statutory provision in Indian mines. After independence, Dr. B. C. Roy, the then Chief Minister of West Bengal, revamped the department to satisfy the demand for mining professionals, and the Department of Mining & Geology was reborn in 1956. On 12 February 1920 the name was changed to Bengal Engineering College, Shibpur. The word Shibpur was deleted on 24 March 1921 and it became Bengal Engineering College.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Roorkee
    Asia’s first Engineering college was in British India

    The institution has its origins in a class started in 1845 to train local youth in engineering to assist in public works then beginning.[3] In 1847 it was officially established.[4] It was renamed as the Thomason College of Civil Engineering in 1854 in honour of its founder, Sir James Thomason, lieutenant governor 1843–53.[3] The first Indian to graduate from the Roorkee college was Rai Bahadur Kanhaiya Lal in 1852.[5]

    The Department of Civil Engineering was established in 1847 and is the oldest engineering department in India.[7] The Electrical Engineering department of the Thomson College was established in the year 1897, and was one of the earliest such specializations in the world.\

    “In India, the British took active steps to preserve local cultures.”

    Not quite.

    Yes quite.

    Sanskrit College and University started by the British East India Company Government to preserve ancient Indian culture and history back in 1824

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata (Calcutta). Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Iswarchandra Vidyasagr came from this college. It was recommended by Macaulay and Prinsep.

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904 passed in British India
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904
    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

  124. Malla says:
    @Malla

    “In India, the British took active steps to preserve local cultures.”

    Not quite.

    From
    http://indianraga.blogspot.in/2007/10/british-raj-and-indian-classical-music.html

    British Raj and Indian Classical Music

    When you think of Carnatic music, you think of temples, music which has retained its pristine purity over the ages and something strongly South Indian. But Carnatic music like all Indian art forms has been open to various cultural influences from all over the country and across the seas. Strange as it may sound, the British Raj and its bands have left a firm imprint on this most traditional music form. Muthuswami Dikshitar and Thyagaraja, two of the most revered composers of Carnatic music, were certainly influenced by the strange tunes from the British.

    Perhaps the earliest innovation was the violin. This very Western instrument became part of the Carnatic music tradition when the family of composer Ramaswami Dikshitar moved from Tiruvarur to Madras in the 1790s. The five-year stay exposed brothers Muthuswami and Baluswami Dikshitars to the ‘airs’ that were being played by the Fort St George orchestra.

    Baluswami Dikshitar learnt to play the violin from an Englishman and introduced it to the Carnatic concert platform. Muthuswami Dikshitar composed around fifty verses in Sanskrit, based on the orchestra’s music. The most famous among these is ‘Santatam Pahi Mam Sangita Shyamale’ which is set to the same tune as ‘God Save The King’! Muthuswami Dikshitar’s contemporary, Thyagaraja, composed ‘Raminsuvar Evarura’ in the Raga Suposhini, which was clearly inspired by music that accompanies march pasts.

    His ‘Vara Lila Gana Lola’ in Raga Sankarabharanam, is also completely based on Western band tunes. Thyagaraja used words that had come into Telugu from English in some of his compositions. The usage of the word Landaru (from Lantern) in the kriti ‘Emi Jesite Nemi’ (Raga Todi) and Shalu (from Shawl) in the kriti ‘Jutamurare’ (Raga Arabhi) are examples.

    The British were not immune to the beauty of Carnatic music. We have instances of singers such as Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan being appreciated by British officials.

    Gopalakrishna Bharat’s Nandan Charitram moved a French official of Karaikkal to such an extent that he funded the first publication of the work. The Madras Jubilee Gayan Samaj opened its office in 1883 and among its patrons were such senior officials as Sir Charles Turner, Col McLeod and Gen S Chamier.

    Programmes featuring Carnatic music were held at the Pachiappa’s Hall in George Town, Madras and many Englishmen attended these events. Patnam Subramanya Iyer, the composer who lived in Madras for 12 years, thereby acquiring the prefix Patnam (city), created the Raga Kathanakutoohalam, which can easily pass off as a melody in Western Music. His song ‘Raghuvamsa Sudha’ in this Raga is a favourite among instrumentalists, specially when they are performing to an International audience.

    At the turn of the century, the Harikatha movement (story telling with music) was at its peak. Innovations were happening in this genre. Exponents such as Harikesanallur L Muthiah Bhagavatar and Tirupazhanam Panchapakesa Sastriar were in the fore front. A popular item in their repertoire was the description of Rama’s marriage to Sita. During their discourse they let their imagination run riot and even described a ‘band’ that belted out music during the wedding procession. The ever popular ‘English Note’ was created for this.

    The Imperial Durbar of 1911 marked the zenith of the British Raj. The visit certainly influenced classical music. Gauhar Jan of Calcutta and Janki Bai of Allahabad performed a mujra for King George V, and for their song ‘Yeh Hai Tajposhi Ka Jalsa Mubarak Ho Mubarak Ho’ they were given a gift of 100 guineas. M Lakshmana Suri of Madras, father of Judge and musicologist T L Venkatarama Iyer and uncle to Harikesanallur L Muthaiah Bhagavatar, composed a set of 100 verses in Sanskrit on the King. It was titled ‘George Deva Shatakam’. He was awarded the title of Mahamahopadhyaya for the effort.

    The Muthialpet Sabha of George Town, Madras, announced a competition among composers for coming up with a song on King George. The eminent vocalist and composer Ramanathapuram ‘Poochi’ Srinivasa Iyengar was awarded the gold medal for his kriti ‘Satatamu Brovumayya Chakravartini’ in Raga Todi. A mangalam (benediction) too was composed. It goes ‘Jayatu Jayatu Sarvabhauma George Nama, Sundari Mary Ragni Sahita Vijayi Bhava’.

    It must have been very pleasant for Queen Mary to be called a beauty. Sadly the composer is not known. In the mid-thirties, Chittoor V Nagaiah released a 78 rpm recording of a Javali, that began with the words ‘O my lovely Lalana’. The song is a delightful mix of Telugu and English. Much closer to Independence, Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar had the occasion to perform before an English collector. In order to impress him, Iyengar began with the English note. The man was not happy. ‘‘When will you sing ‘Entaro Mahanubhavulu’?’’ he asked. Carnatic music had come full circle.

    The influence has not vanished with the end of the British Raj. During the Rishabha Vahanam procession at the Kapaleeswarar temple in Mylapore, it is customary for the bearers of the idol to dance to the tune of a band during the last lap of the event. The tunes played are the English note and… hold your breath, ‘For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow’! But then that is quite a good description of the Lord.

  125. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    This modern education had less to do with disseminating scientific, rational thinking and more to do with an acquiescence of West’s superiority.

    They were never serious in spreading critical or scientific thinking because that would have resulted in accelerating the freedom struggle.”

    it is surprising idiots write crap like this and some idiots believe crap like this. What is funny Dr. Ambedkar, the leader of the lower caste dalits who have lived in a type of slavery for nearly 2000 years believed Western education would set Dalits and untouchables free from operation and actively promoted it.

    https://www.news18.com/news/india/english-education-ambedkar-and-making-of-indian-constitution-a-tribute-on-67th-republic-day-1195559.html

    Thomas Babington Macaulay, the eldest of the nine children, born in rural Leicestershire on October 25, 1800 to an Abolitionist family, is believed to be the first British who had a firm belief that the future of India depends on Anglo-Saxon model of education, liberal political ideas and representative government.

    ….snip…..

    One such legacy is the creation of large section of anglicized Indians who may have been ridiculed as ‘Macaulay’s Children’. But incidentally these also included Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah who first studied English and British Law, practiced in British Courts and then went on to demand Independence from British on the same Anglo-Saxon humanistic, liberal democratic and egalitarian principles.

    Zareer Masani in his book ‘Macaulay- Pioneer of India’s Modernization’ (Random House India, 2012) writes:

    “Macaulay rightly anticipated that English would give Indians rapid access to global advances in science, medicine and technology. Time has proved him right. Macaulay also envisaged that English would spread liberal political and economic values in India, eventually making Indians the political equals of their British rulers. And again history proved him right, when Western-educated lawyers led India to Independence as a secular democracy with a parliament modeled on Westminster. Pre-colonial Indian history has no equivalent of the Magna Carta. Without English, India would have found it difficult to adopt the previously unknown concept of the rule of law, as distinct from existing system of arbitrary rule and religion taboos and sanctions. There would have been no judicial system based on the foreign concept of equality before the law. And its lingua franca, there would have been no India as a political unit. The subcontinent would most likely have remained divided between warring regional states, few of which would have been democracies.

    The final verdict on Macaulay’s legacy comes from one of India’s greatest historians, KM Pannikar:

    “It is the genius of this man, that gives life to modern India as we know it. He was India’s new Manu, the spirit of Modern law incarnate.”

    There are certain ideological parallels between Dr Ambedkar and Lord Macaulay other than the fact that both have been portrayed always in western attire and holding a book. Dr Ambedkar also believed that India’s future lies in western education and institutions and not in revivalism. It is not to be forgotten that western liberal political philosophy and education helped Dr Ambedkar to come out of caste oppression so common to Dalits those day and prevalent even now. Dr Ambedkar personifies what Lord Macaulay had envisaged as to kind of transformation the modern scientific and liberal education would bring about in India.

    Macaulay’s influence is visible in the drafting of the Fundamental Rights of the Indian Constitution taking the key elements of British Whig Tradition of free speech and equality before law. The same is the incorporation the Indian Civil Services and Judiciary, the institutions created by Macaulay, into the Indian Constitution which serve as State’s instrumentality of enforcing rule of law and equality before law in the country.

    Dr. Chandra Bhan, a famous Dalit scholar, in his one of the articles written for ‘India in Transition’ published by Centre for the Advanced Study of India, University of Pennsylvania, 2007 writes:

    “Lord Macaulay scripted the Indian Penal Code which made all Indians equal before law. Mainstream Indians therefore, don’t forgive Lord Macaulay. It is testament to the lasting and unforgiving legacy of caste that, from Lord Buddha to Dr Ambedkar, all those who questioned it were despised and discarded. Buddhism virtually disappeared from India and Dr Ambedkar lost elections despite having been the key architect of Independent India’s Constitution. As a matter of fact, Lord Macaulay was fighting a grim battle with the orientalists who saw everything Indian as virtuous-from its indigenous system of education to the caste system. As an abolitionist himself, Lord Macaulay feared an enduring dependence of India on British and argued for modernity, democracy and the science for India”.

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  126. Moses says:
    @Corvinus

    Here’s the tl;dr on the vast majority of Corvi’s turgid posts:

    White Man bad. Not White Man good.

    This heuristic will save readers here quite a bit of time.

    Independently verify for yourselves.

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  127. JMcG says:
    @Malla

    I don’t read comments from Corvinus any more because, as you have amply demonstrated, he is an idiot, and often malevolent. Thank you for taking him behind the woodshed and thrashing him so thoroughly.
    Your replies to him rank up there with the all time greats. Well done!

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    , @Corvinus
  128. Malla says:
    @JMcG

    Thank you friend for your kind words.
    I have not even used my full ammo yet. Not even 10%. Got a lot more on my hard drive. Got a lot of info about the positive sides of the Japanese Empire as well.

  129. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “In India at least some of the biggest owners of companies were Indians themselves like the Tatas and Birlas. Productivity in India was low as shown by many economists like Landes. At the same time the coast of living in India was lower than Britain too.”

    You’re not even offering any context nor background here. The fact is that the British destroyed the Indian textile industry.

    http://indiafacts.org/british-destroyed-indian-textile-industry/

    “Many African tribes resisted it.”

    At first, considering that Europeans made them dependent on the exporting of slaves for finished goods. But there were also the tribal groups who worked alongside white Christians to eradicate slavery that was heavily expanded by…white Christians.

    “In some cases yes, but most African cultures existed just fine.”

    No, in most cases, African cultural traditions were barred. They had to conduct these practices largely in secret. Of course they resisted European interference by maintaining them. But why should they have been forced by Europeans to abandon their heritage in the first place?

    “It was western education which brought freedom of thought.”
    “Western education allowed us to question for the first time.”

    Are you so sure about that?

    http://www.indianscience.org/essays/DHARAMPALINTRODUCTION(Pankaj).shtml

    “There is a sense of widespread neglect and decay in the field of indigenous education within a few decades after the onset of British rule. This is the major common impression, which emerges from the (1822-25) Madras Presidency data, the report of W. Adam on Bengal and Bihar (1835-38), and the Punjab survey by G.W. Leitner.”

    “Gandhiji was very disappointed at the condition of Indian education during the British period. Gandhiji observed two main points in Indian education: (1) Today India is more illiterate than it was fifty or hundred years ago; and (2) the British administrators instead of looking after education and other matters which had existed, began to root them out.”
    “If the British Raj did not allow the teaching of science…”

    You just changed the goalposts–I never said science was not taught to Indians. The idea is that it was taught just enough to the people that they understood its principles, rather than to the point where a class of native Indians would have the tools be innovative and eventually replace the English scientists in India. It was a form of control. Recall that American slaves were barred from reading and writing. Why? Because they would become aware of ideas that would be dangerous to the status quo. The chemist you listed was a member of the higher castes who benefitted from British rule by serving as their loyal subjects. With this servitude came perks. It is similar to those tribes in Africa who were deemed “worthy” by Europeans to serve as their proxies. We are talking about the type of critical thinking that would enable the masses to ponder their existence under foreign rule. The primary goal of English education was for the common people to become indoctrinated.

    Speaking of educated Indians, Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during colonial rule of the British in India. 1) It was governed by a foreign nation; 2) It did not bring in immigrants; 3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army; 4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits. He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Brain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    “In 1906 Mining Engineering as a discipline…”

    Indeed, with the purpose of those special Indians receiving British privileges. Those earning their degrees would owe their allegiance to their colonial masters, not the general population. Again, benefits by proxy.

    “Thomas Babington Macaulay, the eldest of the nine children, born in rural Leicestershire on October 25, 1800 to an Abolitionist family, is believed to be the first British who had a firm belief that the future of India depends on Anglo-Saxon model of education, liberal political ideas and representative government.”

    Few would dispute this wonderful notion. But it was predicated upon the idea that the British were superior and their colonial possessions inferior. They tore down Indian institutions to install their own. Indeed, Indians would eventually benefit from those concepts, but it was the manner by which the system was erected.

    Ghandi had become a man who thought of himself as a “Briton first, an Indian second”. That attitude changed when he was in South Africa, where he became a nationalist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Civil_rights_activist_in_South_Africa_(1893–1914)

    It is as if you have forgotten your own history…

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  130. Corvinus says:
    @Moses

    “Here’s the tl;dr on the vast majority of Corvi’s turgid posts”

    Actually, my posts are insightful. The truth really hits you square in the noggin’, and jars your own warped sense of superiority.

    “White Man bad. Not White Man good.”

    The reality is that the heuristic is “Only certain white people are good if they think a particular way, otherwise they (white people) are anti-white”. The white normies get virtue signaled to death by your rhetoric.

    “Independently verify for yourselves.”

    The problem is that you are blinded by your confirmation bias.

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  131. Corvinus says:
    @JMcG

    “Thank you for taking him behind the woodshed and thrashing him so thoroughly.”

    Of course that’s not what happened here.

    “Your replies to him rank up there with the all time greats. Well done!”

    OK, Chester.

  132. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    POC-on-POC ethnic cleansing…..

    Up until 2,000 years ago, Dr. Thompson and her colleagues found, people in Malawi belonged to the same ancestral group as hunter-gatherers in southern Africa. “This was a hugely widespread population,” she said.

    But something happened: Living Malawians have no genetic connection to those who lived there before. These ancient people must have disappeared virtually without descendants in Malawi.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/science/africa-dna-migration.html

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  133. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    No, in most cases, African cultural traditions were barred. They had to conduct these practices largely in secret.

    If you want to believe such nonsense than go ahead. The Africans in the second video are having their funeral in their traditional style openly.

    You’re not even offering any context nor background here. The fact is that the British destroyed the Indian textile industry.

    Oh please, marxist nonsense and the imaginations of third world nationalists.
    That theory of British purposefully destroyed Indian textile industry has been debunked. Indeed Indian textile production grew during the Raj with British India eventually competing against British textiles in China.

    From

    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/essay/economic-lessons-from-the-raj

    Myth number three is that our colonial rulers deliberately de-industrialised India by flooding it with machine-made British goods at the expense of Indian manufacturing. The Company certainly had no links with the satanic mills of Lancashire, nor any interest in selling their products. Its own trading interests lay in selling Indian goods to Europe, so it lobbied hard to lower British tariffs on them and also to raise protective Indian tariffs. That it failed to do so was a measure of the extent to which Europe’s Industrial Revolution was inevitably turning the economic tide against traditional cottage industries worldwide.

    Even so, recent research has demonstrated that European industrial competition, though far from being a zero-sum game, created winners as well as losers. Cheaper factory-made British yarn may have hit Indian spinners but was a boon for weavers, who could now source cheaper supplies and produce a more competitive end-product. Although textile exports declined, domestic demand grew, with per capita cloth consumption increasing from 5.8 sq yards per year in 1750 to 7.4 sq yards in 1850. Handlooms held their own in the production of saris, but lost out to machine-made men’s clothing.

    By the 1850s, a massive road-building programme by the East India Company had given Indian trade 2,600 km of newly metalled highways, including, of course, the Grand Trunk Road

    Far from being wiped out by colonial competition, actual numbers in the handloom sector remained stable throughout most of the colonial period, ending with the same number in 1947 as in 1750. Cheap yarn imports also freed weavers from being tied to regional spinning centres and enabled them to move closer to the ports, where they forged new links with mercantile houses, sowing the seeds of India’s own infant textile factories.

    Check out this paper
    The Impact of British Industrial Revolution on a Bengal Industry
    http://iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/Vol19-issue4/Version-4/C019441116.pdf

    Conclusion

    The facts described in this article shows that the period under review represented economically an
    important phase when Industrial Revolution caused a drastic change of the production system in England whereas the Bengal industry still follow the traditional age old system of production. In this period a gradual collapse of the cotton industry of Bengal occurred and the cotton industry of England which remained far from the competition with the Bengal industry for a long time had come in the leading position.
    Here we have analyzed the technological factor which should be judged to find out the main cause for the victory of English cotton goods over the Bengal muslin and calicoes. We had discussed the labour cost of production after industrial revolution also. The labour cost of production after the Industrial Revolution in England had become lower than that of Bengal although the wage rate was very high in England.

    …snip…

    It was Industrial Revolution, which enabled England to supplant the Bengal cotton manufactures not only outside, but within our own country itself. Improvements and inventions of machinery made it possible by the British industry to produce muslin and calicoes in imitation of the Bengal at such lower prices so that it enabled to surpass the Bengal cotton producers both in terms of prices and quality.
    So, the technological innovation in Great Britain was the main cause which led to the decay of the
    prosperous and glorious cotton industry of Bengal.

    Further from

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  134. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    You just changed the goalposts–I never said science was not taught to Indians

    No I did not. Reread the idiotic garbage posted by that writer.

    An analysis of colonial system of education reveals that they were concerned only with teaching subjects related to social studies and humanities

    The post explicitly states that the colonial erucation system were CONCERNED ONLY WITH TEACHING SUBJACTS RELATED TO SOCIAL STUDIES.
    No goalposts were moved, the idiotic claims were simply debunked with ease.

    Are you so sure about that?

    Education before the British came was the privilege of only the Brahmanical elites. It were the British who allowed modern education for all. Those links you have provided about the British destroying indigenous education are the ramblings of those arrogant elites who have a history of exploiting their fellow Indians for millennia. And also the realization that their knowledge was inferior to that of the West. Bitter pill for an arrogant people. Too bad.

    You just changed the goalposts–I never said science was not taught to Indians. The idea is that it was taught just enough to the people that they understood its principles, rather than to the point where a class of native Indians would have the tools be innovative and eventually replace the English scientists in India.

    It is just a claim with no proof. Indians got access to the top levels of scientific education as much as was available to Britons, there was not much difference in between the higher level science education given to Britons and Indians. The links you have provided are of idiotic Indians who make gassy claims with no proof.
    Again
    Jnanendra Nath Mukherjee, an internationally reputed Indian chemist studied in the Municipal high School, Burdwan, Mukherjee appeared in March 1909 at the last Entrance Examination of the Calcutta University and got a District Scholarship. Jnanendra Nath was a student of Presidency College (1909–1915) and received his BSc (1913) and MSc (1915) degrees of the Calcutta University. Based on his thesis for MSc Degree a paper on Electric Synthesis of Colloids was published in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (1915,39,292)
    If the British wanted to provide only rudimentary science education how were Indian research papers making into American scientific journals? India was producing scientists like Bose, how was that possible it the education system provided by the British was

    Speaking of educated Indians, Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during colonial rule of the British in India. 1) It was governed by a foreign nation; 2) It did not bring in immigrants; 3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army; 4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits. He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Brain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    Naoroji’s theories have been debunked.

    Indeed, with the purpose of those special Indians receiving British privileges

    Baseless assumption.

    They tore down Indian institutions to install their own.

    They did not tear down nothing. Hindu style education systems and Muslim madrassas existed parallel to British given education systems. It is just most Indians preferred the Western style education system which actually taught some real science.

    The chemist you listed was a member of the higher castes who benefitted from British rule by serving as their loyal subjects

    Again assumptions out of your ass. The high castes were angry with the British because the British for the first time allowed lower caste people the right to education for the first time in 2000 years. Hence the Indian Independence movement was dominated by upper caste members.

    From the post no 141

    Dr Ambedkar also believed that India’s future lies in western education and institutions and not in revivalism. It is not to be forgotten that western liberal political philosophy and education helped Dr Ambedkar to come out of caste oppression so common to Dalits those day and prevalent even now.

    Do you know who Dr. Ambedkar is? He is the leader of the lower castes.

    “Gandhiji was very disappointed at the condition of Indian education during the British period. Gandhiji observed two main points in Indian education: (1) Today India is more illiterate than it was fifty or hundred years ago; and (2) the British administrators instead of looking after education and other matters which had existed, began to root them out.”

    Gandhi had brahmanical tendencies and was a scumbag who believed in the caste system. Gandhi also opposed modern Western medicine until when he needed a critical surgery himself in prison. Then magically he became a big supporter of Western medicine only for himself. A prime Grade hypocrite.

  135. Malla says:
    @syonredux

    This is not news. Bantus expanded into traditional Pygmy and Khoi San territory during the great Bantu migration.

    Probably one of the biggest case of land appropriation combined with genocides in human history.

  136. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Ghandi had become a man who thought of himself as a “Briton first, an Indian second”.

    In what way?

  137. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Speaking of educated Indians, Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during colonial rule of the British in India. 1) It was governed by a foreign nation; 2) It did not bring in immigrants; 3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army; 4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits. He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Brain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    The history of the Indian economy under British rule is far more complex than what many would have us believe
    http://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/L0EQO6nzQo78NvpNoAO9xM/The-economic-legacy-of-the-British-Raj.html
    Sumit Mishra
    First Published: Sat, Aug 15 2015. 11 30 PM IST
    In a now famous speech at Oxford University , former Union minister Shashi Tharoor made a scathing attack on the former British empire. Tharoor eloquently argued that the British Raj had caused untold suffering to India and the Indian economy, and asked the British for reparations. While Tharoor deservedly received praise for his wit and eloquence, the narrative of exploitation that he spun is at best incomplete, and misleading at worst. Recent research by economic historians suggests that the British Raj was not an unmitigated disaster for India, as it was thought to be by earlier historians and economists. While colonial rule in India had harmful aspects, such as the low provision of public goods, it also helped galvanize Indian industry, making the country a vital part of global supply chains. For quite a long time, the dominant view about the British Raj in India was quite similar to what Tharoor had put forth: British rule impoverished the Indian economy by draining resources through taxation, and through a process of “de-industrialization” that robbed millions of artisans of their livelihoods. The earliest and most influential proponents of this view were two prolific writers, Dadabhai Naoroji and Romesh Dutt. Although these two gentlemen did not advocate an end to British rule, their writings turned into powerful weapons in the hands of Indian nationalists. The birth of “economic nationalism”—or the idea that India needed to be free because foreigners had ruined its economy—gave a boost to India’s freedom struggle, but it proved detrimental to a dispassionate assessment of economic history, and led India to close its doors to the world in the first few decades following Independence, argued renowned economic historian Tirthankar Roy in a recently published essay in the Economic and Political Weekly. The contributions of Marxist scholars such as Paul Baran and Samir Amin bolstered this view and led many influential leaders of the developing world to view openness with suspicion. The rich world became so by exploiting poor countries such as India, the Marxist scholars argued, and the narrative of drain and de-industrialization in India acquired even greater legitimacy. Roy argues that de-industrialization was a myth, simply because factory production and employment had taken firm roots in British India by the early 20th century and grew at a rapid pace in the first half of the 20th century. “Between 1850 and 1940, employment in Indian factories increased from near zero to two million,” writes Roy. “Real GDP at factor cost originating in factories rose at the rate of 4-5% per year between 1900 and 1947. These rates were comparable with those of the two other emerging economies of the time, Japan and Russia, and without a close parallel in the tropical world of the 19th century. Cotton textiles were the leading industry of the 19th century. Outside Europe and the US, 30% of the cotton spindles in the world were located in India in 1910. Within the tropical zone, 55% of the spindles were in India.” The creation of the three great port cities of Calcutta, Bombay and Madras spurred India’s industrial boom, as it helped Indian merchants and producers to integrate with the global economy, writes Roy. This would not have been possible without the supply of skills and technology that the European settlers provided, Roy contends. Engineers, managers and partners from abroad who joined Indian firms to work under Indian bosses were integral to the success of Indian industry.

  138. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “If you want to believe such nonsense than go ahead. The Africans in the second video are having their funeral in their traditional style openly.”

    “Oh please, marxist nonsense and the imaginations of third world nationalists.”

    Actually, it’s hardcore historical facts, compared to your pro-British Empire queer apologist. The author notes that Britain did plunder India, but it was not on the type of scale that other groups had stolen. Great Britain purposely de-industrialized India to bled it financially dry to sate its own imperialistic endeavors. Under British rule, India’s share of world manufacturing exports fell from 27 percent to 2 percent as East India employees made colossal fortunes. The British East India Company imposed tariffs and regulations solely to favor British industry.

    Source –> https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/this-economist-says-britain-took-away-usd-45-trillion-from-india-in-173-years/story/292352.html

    “As per Utsa’s research, the country’s per capita income was almost steady during the period from 1900 to 1945-46. In 1900-02, India’s per capita income was Rs 196.1, while it was just Rs 201.9 in 1945-46, a year before India got its independence. During this period, the per capita income rose to maximum Rs 223.8 in 1930-32. All this happened when “India registered the second largest export surplus earnings in the world for three decades before 1929,” she told the daily. As per Utsa, every year the Britishers siphoned off resources equivalent to 26-36 per cent of the Central government’s budget. This would have made a huge difference in India’s journey towards being a ‘developed’ nation. The economist believes if these international earnings had remained in India, the country would have been much ahead in terms of proper healthcare and social welfare indicators.”

    Assuredly, British inventions in the textile industry assisted in the eroding of Indian businesses, but carefully executed government policies served as the guillotine.

    Source –> https://medium.com/@srinath_987/british-imperialism-effects-on-indian-industry-20b53720a04c

    “The policy of mercantilism adopted by the British was the principle reason. Strategies were devised by Britain to enhance the consumption of finished goods from it. They encouraged the production of raw materials, while simultaneously imposing restrictions on domestic finished goods. For example, in 1835 only a minimal import duty of 2.5 % was levied on cotton cloth from Britain, whereas an export duty of 15 % was charged on the Indian cotton textiles. Further more, goods from England can be brought only in England cargo ships ( This same principle was also used in other British colonies such as America). As a result, Indian goods could not enter the British market while British goods flooded the Indian market. Thus, the import of finished goods from England also increased with the simultaneous export of raw materials from India. In England the ruin of the old hand loom weavers was accompanied by the growth of the machine industry. But in India the ruin of the millions of artisans and craftsmen was not accompanied by any alternative growth of new industrial forms. This lead to a massive loss of jobs.”

    “And also the realization that their knowledge was inferior to that of the West. Bitter pill for an arrogant people.”

    As I correctly noted, some people have forgotten about their own history and the struggles of their own kind.

    “If the British wanted to provide only rudimentary science education how were Indian research papers making into American scientific journals?”

    It is referred to as brain drain. The 1813 Charter Act of 1813 was the first step towards educating Indians by the British. There was a split, however, over how to provide it. One group preferred Indians to be given a traditional education through the native tongue. Another group insisted a western style. The traditional system emerged! In 1835, under the watchful eye of Lord William Bentinck, who had absolute contempt for Indian learning (referring it to as “defective” and “unholy”), the English system was put into place for upper and middle class students. It would nearly 20 years before reforms would be made to ensure education was made available for the general Indian population, along with three universities. High level scientific and technical education for the masses was largely ignored by the British government, with only the top students from the upper echelon of society able to afford university, which usually was overseas due to their prestige. In 1911, illiteracy rate in British India was 94%. In 1921, it was 92%. Although there were a few Englishmen who wanted to spread education for its own sake, the British government was chiefly concerned only with its own concerns.

    “Naoroji’s theories have been debunked.”

    Far from it.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326553094_Colonial_Deindustrialisation_of_India_A_Review_of_Drain_Theory

    “The high castes were angry with the British because the British for the first time allowed lower caste people the right to education for the first time in 2000 years.”

    Indeed, for the lower caste to serve as low level servants in British governmental offices.

    “Gandhi had brahmanical tendencies and was a scumbag who believed in the caste system”

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, that is no way to treat the man who helped to free your people from the shackles of British oppression. He had thought that as a man of the British Empire that he would be treated in such a manner. Instead, while in South Africa receiving his education, he was treated with contempt and cruelty…as an Indian. It was this experience that propelled him to embrace Indian nationalism–India for Indians.

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  139. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, it’s hardcore historical facts,

    Marxist Lies

    Great Britain purposely de-industrialized India to bled it financially dry to sate its own imperialistic endeavors.

    No they did not. Britain actually lost money in India.

    Under British rule, India’s share of world manufacturing exports fell from 27 percent to 2 percent as East India employees made colossal fortunes.

    You are an idiot or what. The World economy expanded exponentially thanks to the Industrial revolution. Indians economy did not collapse, it grew too but at a lower rate. Even after many years of independence, India’s economy is still a small part of the World economy. Also The USA did not exist as a major economy in 1750 and by 1945 the USA was nearly 50% of global GDP. So obviously the USA is going to squeeze out other ecomies further in the whole GDP pie.

    The British East India Company imposed tariffs and regulations solely to favor British industry.

    Nope it did not. The Indian textile industry collapsing is a myth. Secondly Indian merchant traders themselves invested in machinery and started big Textile companies in British India.

    As I correctly noted, some people have forgotten about their own history and the struggles of their own kind.

    2000 years of caste oppression. And Western education setting people free.

    Indeed, for the lower caste to serve as low level servants in British governmental offices.

    Again baseless assumptions out of your ass.

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, that is no way to treat the man who helped to free your people from the shackles of British oppression.

    Dude, get some more info about the man.

    In 1835, under the watchful eye of Lord William Bentinck, who had absolute contempt for Indian learning (referring it to as “defective” and “unholy”),

    Rightly so. We would have remained a very backward people had we only stayed into traditional Indian learning. The you guys would have blamed the British for purposely not providing Indians with modern education.

    High level scientific and technical education for the masses was largely ignored by the British government, with only the top students from the upper echelon of society able to afford university, which usually was overseas due to their prestige.

    Again idiotic generalization out of ass. Ambedkar came from a very poor backward caste family and got the best education in British India.

    In 1911, illiteracy rate in British India was 94%. In 1921, it was 92%.

    Except that illiteracy in India before the British came was more like 99%.
    British taxation in India was very low and thus the ability to spend on public services was low too. Add to that the Indian population was mostly rural with 90% of them being rural, caste based issues where upper caste Indians would not want to sent their children to mixed schools with lower caste, traditional attitudes towards women preventing a huge army of female teachers for primary education prevented the rise of literacy at the rate which was needed.

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  140. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    As per Utsa’s research, the country’s per capita income was almost steady during the period from 1900 to 1945-46. In 1900-02, India’s per capita income was Rs 196.1, while it was just Rs 201.9 in 1945-46, a year before India got its independence. During this period, the per capita income rose to maximum Rs 223.8 in 1930-32. All this happened when “India registered the second largest export surplus earnings in the world for three decades before 1929,” she told the daily. As per Utsa, every year the Britishers siphoned off resources equivalent to 26-36 per cent of the Central government’s budget. This would have made a huge difference in India’s journey towards being a ‘developed’ nation. The economist believes if these international earnings had remained in India, the country would have been much ahead in terms of proper healthcare and social welfare indicators.”

    More rubbish drivel

    From http://www.friesian.com/british.htm
    we see that Britain’s trade with the Third World was tiny and not of any consequence as compared to it’s trade with the USA and the rest of Europe from the above link “Another lesson to be read off the trade figures is that a relatively small fraction of British trade involved colonies that would later constitute the “Third World.” Indeed, the only trade surpluses in the table are with India, Africa, the West Indies, and the Far East, which might give some heart to Marxist claims that British colonies, especially India, were the outlet for Capitalist “excess production.” However, the trade surpluses are small, and overall British trade with India and the other colonies is hardly larger than with the much, much smaller populations of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. No serious argument can be made that the likes of Australia and New Zealand, with their own autonomous governments and protective tariffs, were being “exploited” by Great Britain. Instead the largest British export market is simply with the rest of Europe. Indeed, Europe, the United States, Australia, Canada, etc. are the places where more people would have enough money to buy British goods.

    https://www.britishempire.co.uk/timeline/colonies1924.htm

    1924 revenues of the British Empire from Non White colonies excluding Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Irish Free State, Falkland Islands and Gibralter but including Southern Rhodesia, Malta, Cyprus and South Africa = GBP 218,303,000 out of which India alone accounted for 135,000,000 (62%).

    1924 revenue of the British Empire from United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Island or the home islands, alone = GBP 910,775,000

    Revenues out out Britain itself was far higher than revenues from colonies both White and non White, indeed more than double.

    Wait till I get some data on expenditure.

  141. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    “Naoroji’s theories have been debunked.”

    Far from it.

    Totally debunked

    Check from 4:11 minutes to 10:00 minutes

    The British did not deindustrialise India, on the contrary they industrialized India.

  142. Malla says:

    Far from it.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326553094_Colonial_Deindustrialisation_of_In

    From post 153

    The earliest and most influential proponents of this view were two prolific writers, Dadabhai Naoroji and Romesh Dutt. Although these two gentlemen did not advocate an end to British rule, their writings turned into powerful weapons in the hands of Indian nationalists. The birth of “economic nationalism”—or the idea that India needed to be free because foreigners had ruined its economy—gave a boost to India’s freedom struggle, but it proved detrimental to a dispassionate assessment of economic history, and led India to close its doors to the world in the first few decades following Independence, argued renowned economic historian Tirthankar Roy in a recently published essay in the Economic and Political Weekly. The contributions of Marxist scholars such as Paul Baran and Samir Amin bolstered this view and led many influential leaders of the developing world to view openness with suspicion. The rich world became so by exploiting poor countries such as India, the Marxist scholars argued, and the narrative of drain and de-industrialization in India acquired even greater legitimacy. Roy argues that de-industrialization was a myth, simply because factory production and employment had taken firm roots in British India by the early 20th century and grew at a rapid pace in the first half of the 20th century. “Between 1850 and 1940, employment in Indian factories increased from near zero to two million,” writes Roy. “Real GDP at factor cost originating in factories rose at the rate of 4-5% per year between 1900 and 1947. These rates were comparable with those of the two other emerging economies of the time, Japan and Russia, and without a close parallel in the tropical world of the 19th century. Cotton textiles were the leading industry of the 19th century. Outside Europe and the US, 30% of the cotton spindles in the world were located in India in 1910. Within the tropical zone, 55% of the spindles were in India.”

  143. Malla says:

    During this period, the per capita income rose to maximum Rs 223.8 in 1930-32. All this happened when “India registered the second largest export surplus earnings in the world for three decades before 1929,” she told the daily. As per Utsa, every year the Britishers siphoned off resources equivalent to 26-36 per cent of the Central government’s budget. This would have made a huge difference in India’s journey towards being a ‘developed’ nation. The economist believes if these international earnings had remained in India, the country would have been much ahead in terms of proper healthcare and social welfare indicators.”

    On the contrary:

    A student poses a question to Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. …Friedman answers: The reason people are quick to think so is that they have an ingrained predisposition to see view the world as a zero-sum game where if one man gains the other man looses. In reality a free market allows everyone to gain through mutually beneficial voluntary transactions. When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off. The wheel for example had not even been invented in Africa in the 19th century. As a result of Africa’s contacts with the West their condition improved greatly from what it previously was. To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit. In the famous case of India, conclusive studies have shown that it cost Britain far more to maintain India then if it had never had it. Furthermore, many Western nations never possessed colonies yet became wealthy despite that fact.

  144. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “Marxist Lies”

    I am offering analysis from reputable historians and economists. You have to refute their assertions rather than make this blanket statement.

    “Indians economy did not collapse”

    The native Indian economy took a decided hit with British intervention and intrusion. Indian exports of their own textiles went down. Imports went up. Domestic spinners were replaced with large-scale foreign (British) companies. Naturally, native Indians would become employed in the newly configured businesses. While the profits were used to build up India by way of infrastructure, the overall benefit was on the side of Great Britain because they limited a potential global competitor. Furthermore, India became a supplier of agricultural products to Great Britain, which in large part fueled Indian growth in per capita income.

    “British taxation in India was very low and thus the ability to spend on public services was low too.”

    Not quite. British colonization forced open the large Indian market to British goods, which could be sold in India without any tariffs, compared to local Indian producers who were heavily taxed by the British. The Empire’s protectionist policies were implemented to restrict Indian textiles from being sold there, whereas raw cotton was imported from India without duties to British factories which manufactured textiles, offering it an enormous competitive advantage. Furthermore, British shareholders could also make money by investing in Indian infrastructure, principally the railways. It was “negotiated” that he Indian government would guarantee returns on capital of 5% net per year. If the railway company could not achieve that return on its own, then the government made up the shortfall from its revenues, which came from Indian taxes.

    “The Indian textile industry collapsing is a myth.”

    Not a myth at all.

    https://www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/orourkek/Istanbul/JGWGEHNIndianDeind.pdf

    “No they did not. Britain actually lost money in India.”

    Friedman discussed about the benefits of “competitive capitalism”. yet admitted that the contacts with the West was derived from colonialism, which is contradictory to his philosophy. Jacob Viner’s “conclusive study” showing that it cost Britain more to operate and maintain India neglects to take into account that in the long-term the profits gained from chattel slavery and imperialism transformed their nation, and the internal capital derived from that “investment” was a driving force for their world economic dominance for several hundred years. Moreover, Viner’s model is predicated on mercantilism, not “competitive capitalism”. It should be noted that the most prominent aspects of mercantilist policy–taxing or prohibiting imports or subsidizing exports–were part and parcel of this system of state monopoly privilege. Great Britain exclusively made the rules. Its colonial subjects were brutally taught to “follow them”.

    India deindustrialized.

    https://www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/orourkek/Istanbul/JGWGEHNIndianDeind.pdf

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  145. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Not quite. British colonization forced open the large Indian market to British goods, which could be sold in India without any tariffs, compared to local Indian producers who were heavily taxed by the British. The Empire’s protectionist policies were implemented to restrict Indian textiles from being sold there, whereas raw cotton was imported from India without duties to British factories which manufactured textiles, offering it an enormous competitive advantage.

    All of this nonsense has been debunked with raw data here

    Check from 4:11 minutes to 10:00 minutes

    Along with those figures of textile trade, here is some more info below:

    The problem with all those cry baby, “blame the British at any cost” intellectuals, Britain was not buying the most Indian cotton, Japan was! Ya! British Mills were hardly buying much Indian cotton.
    From Review of the Trade of India in 1924-25, Calcutta, Government of India Central Publication Branch, 1926, p. 73
    The record of raw cotton exported from India in the years 1924-25 is as follows, the unit being bales of 400 pounds:
    Japan 1,671,000
    Italy 485,000
    China (excluding Hong Kong) 284,000
    Belgium 201,000
    Germany 174,000
    The United Kingdom 162,000
    Of the Indian raw cotton exported to England the Lancashire looms used little because of its inferior quality, buying, rather, in Egypt and in America. This is again mentioned in the video above.

    India’s total raw cotton export, in 1924-25, was 3,326,400 bales. Her consumption in Indian mills during that period was 2,050,891 bales.

    From Review of the Trade of India in 1924-25, Calcutta, Government of India Central Publication Branch, 1926, pp. 21-2.

    Japan’s purchase was mostly of the poorer grades of Indian and other cotton and was mainly used in competing in China with the product of India’s mills. In 1924 there were 337 cotton mills in British India. These are nearly all Indian-owned and as a rule have British superintendents and foremen, with Indian labor.

    Furthermore, British shareholders could also make money by investing in Indian infrastructure, principally the railways. It was “negotiated” that he Indian government would guarantee returns on capital of 5% net per year. If the railway company could not achieve that return on its own, then the government made up the shortfall from its revenues, which came from Indian taxes.

    The Indian Government approached Indian baniya money lenders/investors for the finance of the Railways first. But their rate of interest was much much higher making the projects expensive and probably not viable. Only then did the Indian Government get capital from London because of the low interest rates.

    When America built her railways, she had not sufficient means to do so without borrowing. Consequently she borrowed from Europe, largely from Great Britain, about half the money that built her railway system, well content to pay what it cost in view of benefits expected from the opening of the country. These costs, in the normal course, continued until about 1914. When India built her railways, she also failed to find the money at home; yet in her case not because money was lacking, but because Indian baniya capitalists would lend only at huge rates of interest. Consequently India borrowed from her cheapest market, London, practically all the money that built her railways, paying from 2.5 to 5 per cent., with an average of 3.5 per cent, on the loans–the lowest rates that the world knew.

    “British taxation in India was very low and thus the ability to spend on public services was low too.”

    Not quite.

    yes quite

    Despite continuing fiscal pressures on British Indian Central Government, the Victorian subjects of the British Crown in the Indian subcontinent were among the lowest taxed populations in the world. In their meticulous study of the political economy of the global British Empire Davis and Huttenback arrived at some surprising figures for British India and the Princely State s . By their calculations between 1860-64 and 1910-12, the residents of British India paid on average only £.26 per capita per year in total government revenue consisting of taxes and fees. The residents of the Indian princely states carried a slightly lower burden at an average £.24. By contrast the residents of the United Kingdom, among the highest taxed people in the world, paid £4.76 per capita on average over the same period. Other dependent colonies in the British Empire paid £1.05 per capita; colonies with responsible government paid far more at £4.17. Foreign developed countries imposed taxes and fees averaging £1.51 per capita on their inhabitants”

    profits gained from chattel slavery and imperialism transformed their nation, and the internal capital derived from that “investment” was a driving force for their world economic dominance for several hundred years.

    Again does not hold up to any logic. By that logic Portugal and Spain should have been an economic superpowers they were more into slavery and imperialism than the Northern nations who joined in later. Portugal remained a colonial power for the longest time for a span far larger than Britain. In Africa, Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique left their colonial empires after British and French colonies. Similarly in India, Portugal ruled Goa before the British conquest of India and left Goa much after the rest of India, left the British Empire. Yet Portugal remained an economic backwater in industrial Europe. Same with Spain. Indeed Portugal and Spain until recently remained some of the poorer economies by Western European standards and industrialised at a far slower pace inspite of colonies and slavery. Germany on the other hand entered the colonial game much later and had an empire far far smaller then that of Britain or France, yet was a major economic, industrial and military threat to the old powers before WW1 and again before WW2 when it had no colonies at all. How is that possible? Because slavery and imperialism were not the major economic engine but industrialization of the high productive working class and middle class workforces of the European home countries. The home populations were the driving force of their growth not these external events and territories.

    Indeed if you check that linked video from 32:40 minutes , the Colonisation Index. What we see that colonies giving no advantage to European powers in their economic standings amongst each other. Indeed we also see in that graph in the video (33:19 minutes) that as far as the British Empire is concerned, the British Empire lost its advantage with respect to the other European powers AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS EMPIRE. This is because other European powers industrialised themselves and reached economic parity with Great Britain or came closer to Great Britain’ performance. The Colonies again did not matter much. Later in the graph (33:53 minutes) we see that the British per capita income actually accelerated upwards as soon as India was given Independence as if some ball and chain was released from the British economy. With more decolonisation the British economy performed even better, which supports the conclusion by economists that the mother countries were losing money on the colonies.

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