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Is there a sense in which South Asians, with their obsession with caste, value diversity for the sake of diversity more than do Europeans?

There’s a sense in which “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains,” “All men are created equal” or “Workers of the world, unite!” are extremely European ideas.

Down through history, granted, most Europeans would have disagreed.

Still … the trajectory of European political thought would seem to be toward the abstract and away from the particular.

Europeans seem philosophically uncomfortable with the idea of human biodiversity, while Indians kind of like it the way most dog lovers like the existence of a vast diversity of dog breeds.

 
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  1. I don’t think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    How on earth would a rational person be triggered by the fact that China is doing better than India in most measures? Or that India has no business imagining itself as a "rising superpower" when it still has half a billion people who practice open defecation?
    , @Anon

    Most reliable way to trigger them is
     
    to mention indoor plumbing.
    , @Ian M.
    Yeah, I used to get into HBD debates in college. Indians were always the quickest to take my side.

    White guys were the most resistant. The only thing perhaps surprising about that is that they were even more resistant than white women.

    , @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.
    , @DB Cooper
    Another way to trigger them is to tell them India or any form of a single polity that spans the subcontinent has never existed until the British came can created one. You will then get an earful of this or that empire blah blah blah which is pseudo history and nonsense.
    , @DB Cooper
    Talking about Indian's superpower fetish most people in the world don't know but there is this disgusting thing called 'Akhand Bharat'. If people don't know what is Akhand Bharat here is a Hindu explaining what is Akhand Bharat.

    https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/dream-of-greater-india-forget-akhand-bharat-or-hindu-rashtra-bharat-mahasangh-of-like-minded-nations-is-a-more-feasible-goal/

    Thanks to this Akhand Bharat mindset today Bhutan is defacto semi-occupied by India even though nominally it is a fully sovereign independent country and a member state of the United Nation.
    , @AnotherDad

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China ...
     
    Ah, c'mon, Hindi Chini bhai bhai.
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  2. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:

    The first settlers of cold and barren lands will always be pretty homogeneous. Founder effect. People in homogeneous societies tend to assume the whole world is that way. Most of Europe was a pretty unpleasant place to live until quite recently in history. Its people were generally left alone by the rest of the world. Obviously neither of these things are true anymore, so the old egalitarian beliefs are probably on the way out.

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    I guess we have to make it unpleasant again.
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  3. Clyde says:

    Hindus from India. They favor every policy and ideology that brings more Hindu Indians into America. That justifies this. Diversity is one of them. They vote 75-80 Democrat.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/Indian-Americans-voted-for-Trump-in-significant-numbers/article16442952.ece

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  4. ChrisZ says:

    The intellectual divide goes deeper than those 19th century slogans. How about “We believe in one God,” or the idea of common ancestry (and a common divine creation and subsequent fall) in the first human couple?

    The difference in “comfort” you’re describing between Europeans and south Asians might be more of a Christian-Pagan divide. The former is (sadly) in eclipse for now, and the latter—including the possibility of separate ancestries, as we’ve been reading about here lately—may be reasserting itself.

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    I agree and think that your point that modern notions of equality are really just side effects of late stage Euro-Christianity is important.

    But I couldn't hit the "agree" button because one of the slogans is 18th century, not 19th. Lol.

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  5. Luke Lea says:

    Hbdchick explains it here: https://goo.gl/q18ekk

    Once the clan could no longer be depended on for justice, individuals had to start thinking more abstractly about how to get it.

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  6. Diversity
    vs
    Heterogeneity

    Individualism
    vs
    Specialization

    Novel
    vs
    Traditional

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  7. Anonym says:

    In some sense, abstraction is the essence of creativity. Makes sense.

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  8. AndrewR says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    How on earth would a rational person be triggered by the fact that China is doing better than India in most measures? Or that India has no business imagining itself as a “rising superpower” when it still has half a billion people who practice open defecation?

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    When people feel competitive, they are frequently irrational in how they view the competition.
    , @J.Ross
    >rational person
    >Indians considering national comparisons
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  9. George says:

    Europeans seem philosophically uncomfortable with the idea of human biodiversity,

    Europe is where the eye and hair colour diversity is. From ancient times there is probably more skin color diversity also. My guess is body size is also more diverse in traditional Europe.

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  10. JackOH says:

    Isn’t “diversity”, the ideological thing, actually an oxymoron, a logical absurdity? Our masters want to compel us to be among those who are most different from us, because, we are scolded, they are actually not different from us.

    Any philosophers out there who can help me (or us) out?

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    As has been pointed out recently the term "diversity" actually means "More Negroes". For example if you want to see a monolithic racial body look at the students of Computer Science at Cal Berkeley. They are virtually all Chinese. We could increase the nominal diversity if we admitted more whites. But no one dares to argue for that.

    No one every means more Chinese when they preach for diversity. They don't even mean more Hispanics. And they certainly don't mean more Europeans. The call for diversity is a code phrase that means more Negroes.

    Another case where connotation trumps denotation.
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  11. Lord Brahma’s creator of caste:
    Every Hindu is properly placed.
    He put Brahmins on top,
    While the Vaishyas tend shop,
    With no mixing if women are chaste.

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  12. Could it be that political thought in the West has tended toward the abstract because those with the particular cognitive ability to deal in the particular have for hundreds of years been going into industry rather than politics?

    “The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems.” -Marx in letter to Engels

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    “The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems.” -Marx in letter to Engels

    And it showed, even in his treatment of knotty problems. Marx did not seem to appreciate that a characteristic of the business owner was that generally the more successful ones took their profit and invested everything back into the business rather than living the high life. This generally makes their goods or services better over time to a point (though scammy exceptions exist).

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.

    So the idea that "surplus value is theft" is ignorant of the value to society created by the typical growing business. Deficit value (loss) is waste, and a greater evil than surplus value (profit). Taking raw materials and producing goods of less value than they started with is wasteful. A society of squanderers is hopeless, SSA like.
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  13. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is

    to mention indoor plumbing.

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  14. Bryan says:

    Rough hypothesis: René Girard was basically right. The key to keeping your society from killing itself is to keep people from all wanting the same thing. They start copying each other’s desires and you are seconds from disaster.

    A rigid caste system basically says that, while you might still covet your neighbor’s wife, you can’t covet ALL your neighbors’ wives. You reduce the scope of catastrophe by reducing the scope of socially acceptable desire. When that fails, you chop somebody up. It’s an old but reliable system.

    The Western, Christian, idea was no. The solution is to become the sort of person who doesn’t covet his neighbor’s wife; with divine grace and a constant reminder about this guy who was beaten and impaled, you know, we just might pull it off.

    Well, that didn’t work out. And our economic system insists that absolutely everyone everywhere should all want exactly the same thing all the time. Not wanting the exact same thing all the time is a criminal offense. It won’t be long before everyone’s reaching for his machete.

    You have to figure what comes next is something much more rigid, like the Indian caste system, to manage this problem.

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    "Well, that didn't work out"

    But it did work out. Europe was Christian for centuries.

    How do you mean, working out?
    , @Anonymous

    Rough hypothesis: René Girard was basically right. The key to keeping your society from killing itself is to keep people from all wanting the same thing. They start copying each other’s desires and you are seconds from disaster.
     
    It depends. Is "the same thing" fungible? We cannot all want the same person as a mate, for instance, or the same plot of ground, but we can all want to own a Chevy or a Fender Stratocaster or an iPhone from the CurrentYear. Mass production depends on the latter.

    In fact, the purpose of advertising is to do exactly that: make us want the same kind of stuff, the same kind of living arrangements, etc.
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  15. European Christians — also known as WHITEY — have plenty of so-called “diversity.”

    Whitey has black hair, brown hair, blonde hair and everybody’s favorite, strawberry blonde hair.

    Whitey has blue eyes, green eyes, brown eyes and the mix called hazel eyes.

    Whitey is sometimes so white they glow and you can see their veins through their translucent white skin.

    Non-Whites are black, brown and jaundice yellow. Most of the non-Whites are uglier than a pile of horseshit. At least with horseshit piles, you can grow some good tomatoes with it and you can find worms for fishing.

    Vanessa Williams was a hot mulatto a few decades back, though. A recent opinion survey finds that most experts agree that Vanessa Williams was a hot mulatto.

    Did Vanessa Williams get a nose job? Maybe. But beautiful Northwestern European movie star Michelle Pfeiffer might’ve gotten one too.

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  16. For Hindus, caste system is a given. It is the fabric of Hindu society. Without it, Hindu/Indian historical civilization would collapse.

    Some, like Mahatma Ghandi, tried to reform it- but not to completely abolish it. They knew their stuff.

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    Caste is so foundational that even religions that specifically denounce it, such as Islam and Sikhism, develop something like caste if they hang around in India long enough.

    In fact, the traditional notion of the appalling racism of the British in India can also be viewed as the British adopting the traditional Indian idea of caste, just putting themselves in as the top caste, as every previous conqueror had also done.

    , @DB Cooper
    That's not true. Gandhi never tried to reform Caste. He embraced it like any good Hindu. The guy that tried to reform it is the untouchable B. R. Ambedkar. He was the one that fought against Gandhi on the Caste system.

    To be a good Hindu is to know your place. And Gandhi certainly knew his place. This is the reason why Gandhi deferred the prime minster ship to Nehru because Gandhi wasn't a Brahmin, Nehru was.
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  17. From a 1997 book called The Idea of India by a Sunil Khilnani.

    Apologies for the very long excerpt. I’ve highlighted a couple of key passages, but it’s worth reading in full, IMHO.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/khilnani-india.html

    Contrary to India’s nationalist myths, enamoured of immemorial ‘village republics’, pre-colonial history little prepared it for modern democracy. Nor was democracy a gift of the departing British. Democracy was established after a profound historical rupture — the experience, at once humiliating and enabling, of colonialism, which made it impossible for Indians to regard their own past as a sufficient resource for facing the future and condemned them, in struggling against the subtle knots of the foreigner’s Raj, to struggle also against themselves. But it also incited them to imagine new possibilities: of being a nation, of possessing their own state, and of doing so on their own terms in a world of other states. By gradually raising the edifice of a state whose sovereign powers stretched across the vast Indian landscape, the British made politics the unavoidable terrain on which Indians would have to learn to act.

    In pre-colonial India, power was not embodied in the concept of a state, whether republican or absolutist. Across the subcontinent, varied economies and cultures were matched by an assortment of political arrangements. They were nothing like the static ‘oriental despotism’ conjured up by colonial and Marxist historians: deliberative and consultative forms of politics did exist, but there was no protracted historical struggle to install institutions of representative government, nor (despite a hardly passive rural or urban poor) did large-scale popular movements act to curb the powers of rulers. Most importantly, before the gradual British acquisition of most of India’s territory no single imperium had ever ruled the whole, immense subcontinental triangle. India’s social order successfully curbed and blunted the ambitions of political power, and made it extraordinarily resistant to political moulding.

    The basis of this resistance lay in the village, and its distinct form of community: the jati. These groups, numbering in the thousands, were governed by strict rules of endogamy and by taboos about purity, and arranged a social hierarchy: varna. The precise ideological sources of this system are obscure, but elements may be traced to one of the very late hymns of the Rig Veda, which describes the dismemberment of the cosmic giant Purusha, the primeval male whose sacrifice created the world: ‘When they divided the Man, into how many parts did they apportion him? What do they call his mouth, his two arms and thighs and feet?/ His mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Warrior [kshatriya], his thighs the People [vaishiya], and from his feet the servants [shudra] were born. ‘The resulting intricate filigree of social interconnections and division — a hierarchical order of peerless sophistication — defies any simple account Perplexed Westerners came to describe it by the term ‘caste’, but a wide distance separates the deceptively well-defined doctrinal claims of the caste order and the actual operations of what is an essentially local, small-scale system. Two of its characteristics, however, are particularly direct. The system of jati and varna deflected responsibility for social outcomes away from human individuals or agencies and diffused it in a metaphysical universe, so making it impossible to assign blame for social wrongs and oppressions to particular individuals or groups. Jatis themselves were far from immutable in their social rank, and regularly rose and fell within the varna order; but the structure itself showed remarkable resilience. Further, the system did not concentrate status, wealth and power exclusively in one social group but distributed them to different parts of the social order, with the result that no one social group could impose its will on the whole society.

    Yet India was not simply an archipelago of villages imprisoned by the local ties of caste. The prevalence of common aesthetic and architectural styles, as well as myths and ritual motifs, attests to the presence of a larger, more cohesive power. This derived neither from a unique political authority, such as an absolutist state, nor from a monolithic, codified religion controlled by a Church, but rather from the ideological mechanisms of pre-colonial India. These rested on a monopoloy of literacy vested in one social group, the Brahmins. The Brahminic order in India was certainly an oppressive system of economic production, and it enforced degrading rules about purity and pollution. But its capacity to endure and retain its grip over a wide georgraphical area flowed from severely selective distribution of of literacy. The Brahminic pattern survived not through allying with temporary bearers of political power, nor by imposing a single belief system on the society. Rather, it cultivated a high tolerance for diverse beliefs and religious observances, withdrew from political power — the realm of Artha, or mere worldly interest — and directed its energies towards the regulation of social relationships; it made itself indispensable to the conduct of essential rituals, and it provided law for every aspect of social life. Its interpretative powers were recognized as the ultimate sanctions and authority for caste rules. By renouncing political power, the Brahminic order created a self-coercing, self-disciplining society founded on a vision of a moral order. This society was easy to rule but difficult to change: a new ruler had merely to capture the symbolic seat of power and go on ruling as those before him had done. India could be defeated easily, but the society itself remained unconquered and unchanged.

    Politics was thus consigned to the realm of spectacle and ceremony. No concept of a state, an impersonal public authority with a continuous identity, emerged: kings represented only themselves, never enduring states. It was this arrangement of power that explains the most peculiar characteristic of India’s pre-colonial history: the perpetual instability of political rule, the constant rise and fall of dynasties and empires, combined with the society’s unusual fixity and cultural consistency. Its identity lay not in transient political authority but in the social order. The ambitions of political rulers could therefore never become absolute, as they readily became in Europe:…

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  18. @ChrisZ
    The intellectual divide goes deeper than those 19th century slogans. How about “We believe in one God,” or the idea of common ancestry (and a common divine creation and subsequent fall) in the first human couple?

    The difference in “comfort” you’re describing between Europeans and south Asians might be more of a Christian-Pagan divide. The former is (sadly) in eclipse for now, and the latter—including the possibility of separate ancestries, as we’ve been reading about here lately—may be reasserting itself.

    I agree and think that your point that modern notions of equality are really just side effects of late stage Euro-Christianity is important.

    But I couldn’t hit the “agree” button because one of the slogans is 18th century, not 19th. Lol.

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    Actually, Almost, both the Rousseau and Declaration quotes are 18th c. But my hastily typed “18-19th” was evidently a casualty of autocorrect. (However, one might lamely counter that all three really gained purchase as “slogans” in the 19th.) Thanks for noticing, and giving me a chuckle.
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  19. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Hinduism is built with an assumption of hbd. Different strokes for different folks.

    Hinduism also assumes that there are multiple approaches and answers to the big questions, which may be suitable to different individuals based on their innate natures and their environmental conditioning.

    Ramana Maharishi, a Hindu saint, for example said he encouraged both devotional and philosophical approaches to religion at the same time, since he considered them like water and ice- same essence in different form.

    Greeks were responsible for the universalism and fetishizing of extroverted reasoning in Europe. Hindu philosophy has always had a stronger emphasis on the introspective, subjective and is thus more particular than general in outlook.

    In the latter Hindu works, each deity is divided into sub deities who do smaller and smaller parts of the main deity’s tasks. Same thing with castes and subcastes.

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    Greeks were responsible for the universalism and fetishizing of extroverted reasoning in Europe
     
    The Stoic philosophers who went in for univeralism (like Zeno or Epictetus) were really hellenised natives rather than ethnic Greeks
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  20. Too many confounding variables.
    Tribe is inoperative in the west while tribal feelings, tribal triggers and the need for tribal cohesion continues.
    Caste stands in for tribe in India and all the other three are dialed up.

    Good Locke/Hobbes dynamics are barely enough to cap it in the west, they’re even more dilute elsewhere.

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  21. Andy says:

    From the end of the Roman empire till the 20th century, European countries tend to be extremely homogeneous. Most nations in Europe did not have any significant minority, with the exceptions of Jews and (later on) the Gypsies. And almost all languages in Europe were related, belonging to the Indoeuropean family (with a few exceptions such as Hungarian, Finnish and Basque). (This undiversity did not prevent Europeans from fighting wars incessantly). So I suppose when you have this homogeneity it seems natural to believe things like “all men are equal”

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  22. ChrisZ says:
    @Almost Missouri
    I agree and think that your point that modern notions of equality are really just side effects of late stage Euro-Christianity is important.

    But I couldn't hit the "agree" button because one of the slogans is 18th century, not 19th. Lol.

    Actually, Almost, both the Rousseau and Declaration quotes are 18th c. But my hastily typed “18-19th” was evidently a casualty of autocorrect. (However, one might lamely counter that all three really gained purchase as “slogans” in the 19th.) Thanks for noticing, and giving me a chuckle.

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  23. TG says:

    Not quite sure what to make of this post, but it should be noted that “diversity” is a sham. It’s a fig leaf. What’s really going on is that the rich in the high-income developed West want to import the surplus population of the third-world, in order to drive wages down and profits up. Period. But that doesn’t sound good, so there is endless propaganda about ‘diversity’ being the new secular God. But it’s all about the numbers.

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  24. eric says:

    Can someone tell me if the ‘lower’ castes have a sense of pride in their caste? Or do they feel they are just being oppressed? I know for some castes, one could say they have different niches, one not necessarily morally superior to others. But ‘untouchables’? Are they proud of that?

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    I have known one, yes, who in that sense was anti-HBD. He was pretty proud of the fact that his family and him came from "the poorest and least accomplished people in India" and nonetheless he had managed to make a reasonably accomplished place for himself(he is a technical consultant working in Europe now).
    , @Duke of Qin
    There is always someone lower down the totem pole that you can lord over. The Jati isn't just about spiritual superiority, but more importantly about separateness. If the Catholic church destroyed German kindreds in the name of universality under god; the Hindu faith did the opposite, expanding kin (and thus patronage) networks across a wider breadth of society. There is an absolute biological limit for familial nepotism because once you are at 4th or 5th cousins, they are for all intents and purposes strangers to you. The caste system reinforces a sense of community in two ways, one positive and the other negative. First by making even distant relations feel closer to you and extending the web of familial obligation further out than what would occur naturally and second by creating competing enodagmous communities who are out to screw one another for their own benefit, leaving those without a strong cohesive caste network at the mercy of others practicing group strategy.

    There is a saying that the slave is the forger of his own chains, this is doubly true for India. It isn't the brahmanical elite that are the enforcers of caste structure, but rather the middling castes. Those with a little status, which makes it all the more precious, who suppress those who have even less. People such as the Nehru Gandhi clan who are Brahman-Parsi or the Jinnah-Wadias of Ismaili Shia-Parsi extraction sit at the pinnacle of the subcontinental social system and have no need to make public displays of caste solidarity because that would be declasse and indeed to the contrary publically denounce casteism. Nevertheless, despite their heterogenous lineage and exogamy, you'll noticed that they didn't marry pretty Shudra girls but rather other super-elites.
    , @Anonymous
    Most definitely. Each caste considers itself quite important and has its own traditional lore and it's heroes.

    The concept of one overarching untouchable caste is a modern invention - in reality each village had a different assortment of castes, some of which were looked down upon and not touched by the other castes. However even those low castes would look down upon yet other castes, or on tribals in the forest and so on. So they had their own pride. And the relative position of these castes changed over the years as some pulled ahead, some got defeated in war and so on.

    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim. Or how Chinese are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as successful as whites.

    To an outside observer, the social order in America seems to be Jew > White > East Asian / south Asian > Muslim > Hispanic > black. But we all know each of those groups considers itself quite special.
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  26. Anonymous[817] • Disclaimer says:

    It all depends on who is at the top – or bottom – of the pecking order.

    Let’s just say that in the UK, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims – all sworn enemies, put aside their differences under the ‘Asian’ label in order to lobby against the white man.
    Similarly do Sri Lankans, Dravidians, Pakistanis and north Indians.

    Curiously, several Dalits who have emigrated to the UK – yes, they too have come – have used the UK’s drastic ‘anti discrimination laws’ to prosecute higher caste Indians whom they allege to have discriminated against them in the workplace.
    Apparently, the Dalits thought that they could ‘pass’ as generic brown skinned Indians in the UK, but ‘caste will out’ and the higher castes soon discovered them – Indians know a myriad of subtle clues and differences completely lost to whites – and started to ‘pull rank’ and woorse.

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    Yes, the left's structures meant to punish white men often backfire the worst on women and other colors.

    When I worked for the state of CA, we had only one firing for sexual harassment: a woman. A friend currently works for the state (FTB) and oversees all the harassment complaints. Guess which group is the worst? That's right, women. Turns out females don't mind a comment from a man so much, but when some weird lesbian says something... well, time to file a complaint.
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  27. Jack D says:

    Keep in mind that to Americans, “India” is one place but in fact it is a vast subcontinent. Some of those from the south are as dark as Africans while those from the far north are very fair skinned. So not only are there differences in caste but also vast differences in appearance and temperament (and language) between the regions. So most Indians have an inherent understanding that there are differences between human groups and that we are not all the same.

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  28. Go after the WHITE LADY VOTER.

    To use flattery would not be foolish.

    The 20 percent of WHITE LADY VOTERS that reject that approach won’t vote for you anyway.

    Attack the GOP globalizers to attract the WHITE LADY VOTERS.

    Fight for the WHITE LADY VOTERS.

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  29. @eric
    Can someone tell me if the 'lower' castes have a sense of pride in their caste? Or do they feel they are just being oppressed? I know for some castes, one could say they have different niches, one not necessarily morally superior to others. But 'untouchables'? Are they proud of that?

    I have known one, yes, who in that sense was anti-HBD. He was pretty proud of the fact that his family and him came from “the poorest and least accomplished people in India” and nonetheless he had managed to make a reasonably accomplished place for himself(he is a technical consultant working in Europe now).

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  30. I’ve come to know quite a few Indians in the last decade or two. My neck of the American woods is a popular destination.

    Question. What reaction would I get if I asked them to which caste they belonged?

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    In my experience, they would probably tell you, especially if they are Brahman. The Brahmans I have known have all been very proud of being Brahman. If they are not Brahman, they may or may not tell you.

    A few decades ago, my parents taught at a state university somewhere in the south. There was a VERY large Indian students association, to a large extent run by a Minnesota farm lady who had married a professor from India.

    At one point someone who was NOT Brahman was elected president of the association. That caused serious problems.
    , @jim jones
    I asked my local Indian what caste he was and he simply denied that it existed, touche white man.
    , @Ian M.
    I've asked Indians what caste they are from. In my circles (educated class), they almost all hail from the Brahmin caste (I've met maybe a handful from the warrior caste).

    Not sure from which caste the Patels who own the local motel would be though.
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  31. @eric
    Can someone tell me if the 'lower' castes have a sense of pride in their caste? Or do they feel they are just being oppressed? I know for some castes, one could say they have different niches, one not necessarily morally superior to others. But 'untouchables'? Are they proud of that?

    There is always someone lower down the totem pole that you can lord over. The Jati isn’t just about spiritual superiority, but more importantly about separateness. If the Catholic church destroyed German kindreds in the name of universality under god; the Hindu faith did the opposite, expanding kin (and thus patronage) networks across a wider breadth of society. There is an absolute biological limit for familial nepotism because once you are at 4th or 5th cousins, they are for all intents and purposes strangers to you. The caste system reinforces a sense of community in two ways, one positive and the other negative. First by making even distant relations feel closer to you and extending the web of familial obligation further out than what would occur naturally and second by creating competing enodagmous communities who are out to screw one another for their own benefit, leaving those without a strong cohesive caste network at the mercy of others practicing group strategy.

    There is a saying that the slave is the forger of his own chains, this is doubly true for India. It isn’t the brahmanical elite that are the enforcers of caste structure, but rather the middling castes. Those with a little status, which makes it all the more precious, who suppress those who have even less. People such as the Nehru Gandhi clan who are Brahman-Parsi or the Jinnah-Wadias of Ismaili Shia-Parsi extraction sit at the pinnacle of the subcontinental social system and have no need to make public displays of caste solidarity because that would be declasse and indeed to the contrary publically denounce casteism. Nevertheless, despite their heterogenous lineage and exogamy, you’ll noticed that they didn’t marry pretty Shudra girls but rather other super-elites.

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  32. I’m not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see “actors” going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

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    I’m not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.
     
    IOW, whites will be to the Chinese what blacks are to whites now (albeit with less brainless thuggery and dysfunction) -- a sort of surprisingly well-tolerated entertainment caste.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I forgive you. I too had a head full of nonsense when I was 27.
    , @JMcG
    Can I be 1962?
    , @JackOH
    Hat's off, 27-. This works for me as a sort of plausible scenario of how some Chinese resident in the States view Americans now---a sort of legacy people whose achievements ought to be "modeled", then surpassed, by the Chinese, of course.

    I talk on occasion with the mainland Chinese students at my local state university. They're hip, they regard themselves as second fiddle to no one, they're polite and friendly to a fault, and many will return to their homeland with American education cred under their belt but Chinese interests in their hearts. Who can blame them?

    I'm exasperated sometimes. The job of our government is to help make life good for Americans. Americans who are good, Americans who are not so good. Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario? (Rambling a bit, I know.)
    , @Stan Adams
    I'd rather die than debase myself for the amusement of foreigners.
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  33. L Woods says:
    @27 year old
    I'm not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see "actors" going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

    I’m not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    IOW, whites will be to the Chinese what blacks are to whites now (albeit with less brainless thuggery and dysfunction) — a sort of surprisingly well-tolerated entertainment caste.

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    The crime rate among east Asians is generally lower than for whites, so they consider us to be brainless thugs.

    I was once racially profiled in an Asian neighborhood in Hawaii, using a borrowed key to enter a friend's home. Cops came, guns out, everything. Fortunately the matter was straightened out very quickly and harmlessly, so we all had a good laugh about it. Actually, my friend was glad the neighbors were keeping an eye on the place.

    I still remember what the cops said to my friend: "Do you have a Caucasian guy in there?"
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  34. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @eric
    Can someone tell me if the 'lower' castes have a sense of pride in their caste? Or do they feel they are just being oppressed? I know for some castes, one could say they have different niches, one not necessarily morally superior to others. But 'untouchables'? Are they proud of that?

    Most definitely. Each caste considers itself quite important and has its own traditional lore and it’s heroes.

    The concept of one overarching untouchable caste is a modern invention – in reality each village had a different assortment of castes, some of which were looked down upon and not touched by the other castes. However even those low castes would look down upon yet other castes, or on tribals in the forest and so on. So they had their own pride. And the relative position of these castes changed over the years as some pulled ahead, some got defeated in war and so on.

    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim. Or how Chinese are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as successful as whites.

    To an outside observer, the social order in America seems to be Jew > White > East Asian / south Asian > Muslim > Hispanic > black. But we all know each of those groups considers itself quite special.

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    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim.
     
    Whites can point to one or two real world achievements that the Ashkenazi supermen have somehow overlooked.
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  35. jJay says:

    I am not seeing any cast sorting among Indian immigrants to California. I’ve heard Indian and Pakistani immigrants fondly reminiscing about the old country even though they would be enemies back there. There is still a certain charm about immigrating to US. With 7 billion people on earth and 5 billion of them dirt poor, 1 or 2 billion of them cannot move here and keep the charm.

    We need to hold our space. Somewhat related, I was playing baseball yesterday while the Mexicans were trying to play soccer on the same field. I had to heard them off the field while trying to be as polite as possible. It took about 20 minutes and my broken Spanish didn’t help, but I the job got done. I don’t want to have to do that.

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  36. This Just In:

    Seven dead, seventeen injured in S. Carolina prison riot.

    Ain’t SC one of those retrograde southern states? You know, where they wave the Confederate flag and blow up black churches for fun? I’ll bet it’s a bunch of hillbillies and Neo-Nazis. Gotta be.

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  37. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:

    Down through history, granted, most Europeans would have disagreed.

    Still … the trajectory of European political thought would seem to be toward the abstract and away from the particular.

    To what point in history does this trajectory date?

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  38. @I, Libertine
    I've come to know quite a few Indians in the last decade or two. My neck of the American woods is a popular destination.

    Question. What reaction would I get if I asked them to which caste they belonged?

    In my experience, they would probably tell you, especially if they are Brahman. The Brahmans I have known have all been very proud of being Brahman. If they are not Brahman, they may or may not tell you.

    A few decades ago, my parents taught at a state university somewhere in the south. There was a VERY large Indian students association, to a large extent run by a Minnesota farm lady who had married a professor from India.

    At one point someone who was NOT Brahman was elected president of the association. That caused serious problems.

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  39. Jats recently marched to be allowed to be legally ‘backwards’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_reservation_agitation

    With affirmative action, everyone wants to be a victim. Did the start of the whole victimhood industry start with affirmative action?

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  40. Kylie says:
    @AndrewR
    How on earth would a rational person be triggered by the fact that China is doing better than India in most measures? Or that India has no business imagining itself as a "rising superpower" when it still has half a billion people who practice open defecation?

    When people feel competitive, they are frequently irrational in how they view the competition.

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  41. Steve writes: “…or “Workers of the world, unite!” are extremely European ideas”

    Amusing trivia: During the Rand Rebellion of 1922, members of the South African Communist Party marched under banners like “Workers of the world unite, to keep South Africa white”.

    Less amusing afterthought: Old Jan Smuts would have none of it, and sent in the army, who killed 200+ of the miners.

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  42. I’d be wary of mysticizing the caste system as representing some ‘way of thought’ different from the European. I know many commentators on here love that epochal, ideational stuff, but Occam’s razor suggests the caste system is a social technology like any other. It comes about when Kings can’t impose stable rule. Jatis (castes) then do the organizational work needed in an agrarian society (division of labor, etc) where Kings were unable.

    The interesting theory about India is that Kings were unable to impose strong central rule because India was just too flat – kingdoms were constantly churning over because rivals could invade neighboring kingdoms too easily (lack of mountain ranges to act as natural borders), and since kings were unable to establish firm sovereignty, cross-kingdom caste forms stepped into the vacuum. People may quibble with the geographic explanation but I think the general idea holds up.

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    That's a moronic explanation fit for Jared diamond. If flatness was the issue then there should have been no strong states in Russia or China or the middle East.
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  43. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.

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    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.
     
    Diversity without intense affirmative action or some sort of a countervailing egalitarian controls, though, IS hierarchy.

    If our American secondary education system were to be fashioned the German way, in which pupils are cognitively separated into three groups early on, we’d end up very quickly with a rather obvious racial hierarchy and would certainly cause some political troubles, to be mild about it.
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  44. sayless says:
    @Bryan
    Rough hypothesis: René Girard was basically right. The key to keeping your society from killing itself is to keep people from all wanting the same thing. They start copying each other's desires and you are seconds from disaster.

    A rigid caste system basically says that, while you might still covet your neighbor's wife, you can't covet ALL your neighbors' wives. You reduce the scope of catastrophe by reducing the scope of socially acceptable desire. When that fails, you chop somebody up. It's an old but reliable system.

    The Western, Christian, idea was no. The solution is to become the sort of person who doesn't covet his neighbor's wife; with divine grace and a constant reminder about this guy who was beaten and impaled, you know, we just might pull it off.

    Well, that didn't work out. And our economic system insists that absolutely everyone everywhere should all want exactly the same thing all the time. Not wanting the exact same thing all the time is a criminal offense. It won't be long before everyone's reaching for his machete.

    You have to figure what comes next is something much more rigid, like the Indian caste system, to manage this problem.

    “Well, that didn’t work out”

    But it did work out. Europe was Christian for centuries.

    How do you mean, working out?

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  45. jim jones says:
    @I, Libertine
    I've come to know quite a few Indians in the last decade or two. My neck of the American woods is a popular destination.

    Question. What reaction would I get if I asked them to which caste they belonged?

    I asked my local Indian what caste he was and he simply denied that it existed, touche white man.

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    The most persistent and important thing about Orientals is that, while whites might lie, they have a firm general sense that truth objectively exists and is knowable, and that when you decide to tell a lie you might get caught, whereas people in the grip of Oriental cultures can reverse this: they lie blatantly and freely, and agonize over accidentally letting slip a politically inconvenient truth.
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  46. DFH says:
    @Anonymous
    Hinduism is built with an assumption of hbd. Different strokes for different folks.

    Hinduism also assumes that there are multiple approaches and answers to the big questions, which may be suitable to different individuals based on their innate natures and their environmental conditioning.

    Ramana Maharishi, a Hindu saint, for example said he encouraged both devotional and philosophical approaches to religion at the same time, since he considered them like water and ice- same essence in different form.

    Greeks were responsible for the universalism and fetishizing of extroverted reasoning in Europe. Hindu philosophy has always had a stronger emphasis on the introspective, subjective and is thus more particular than general in outlook.

    In the latter Hindu works, each deity is divided into sub deities who do smaller and smaller parts of the main deity's tasks. Same thing with castes and subcastes.

    Greeks were responsible for the universalism and fetishizing of extroverted reasoning in Europe

    The Stoic philosophers who went in for univeralism (like Zeno or Epictetus) were really hellenised natives rather than ethnic Greeks

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  47. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/facing-historic-labor-shortages-companies-snap-up-teenagers-1523895726

    After the longest stretch of continuous job creation on record—more than seven years—the U.S. faces its most severe worker shortage in the past two decades. Employers, from General Electric Co. and Michelin North America Inc. to a Wisconsin nursing home and an Ohio turbine-parts manufacturer, are expanding their hunt to the labor market’s youngest echelon.

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  48. @L Woods

    I’m not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.
     
    IOW, whites will be to the Chinese what blacks are to whites now (albeit with less brainless thuggery and dysfunction) -- a sort of surprisingly well-tolerated entertainment caste.

    The crime rate among east Asians is generally lower than for whites, so they consider us to be brainless thugs.

    I was once racially profiled in an Asian neighborhood in Hawaii, using a borrowed key to enter a friend’s home. Cops came, guns out, everything. Fortunately the matter was straightened out very quickly and harmlessly, so we all had a good laugh about it. Actually, my friend was glad the neighbors were keeping an eye on the place.

    I still remember what the cops said to my friend: “Do you have a Caucasian guy in there?”

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    I was recently walking through parking lot in Vancouver and an Asian lady locked her doors as I passed by.

    I LOL'd. "So that's what that feels like."
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  49. Logan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    For Hindus, caste system is a given. It is the fabric of Hindu society. Without it, Hindu/Indian historical civilization would collapse.

    Some, like Mahatma Ghandi, tried to reform it- but not to completely abolish it. They knew their stuff.

    Caste is so foundational that even religions that specifically denounce it, such as Islam and Sikhism, develop something like caste if they hang around in India long enough.

    In fact, the traditional notion of the appalling racism of the British in India can also be viewed as the British adopting the traditional Indian idea of caste, just putting themselves in as the top caste, as every previous conqueror had also done.

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  50. Is there a sense in which South Asians, with their obsession with caste, value diversity for the sake of diversity more than do Europeans?

    That’s an interesting question.

    An even more interesting question is just how quickly White Core Americans can deport anti-White South Asians such as Nikki Haley, Raj Chetty, Bobby Jindal, Dinesh D’Souza and all the rest of them.

    White Core Americans have had it with the Hindus and the other South Asians. I’ll say all Asians. Some states are being infiltrated and inundated with South Asians and Asians in general. That will stop when the next phase of the global financial implosion hits. It could hit at any time. Some of the Asians will self-deport and some of the Asians will be encouraged to leave, but when the central bank shysterism currently holding things together breaks down, they will all go by hook or crook.

    Nikki Haley is an anti-White South Asian of the worst sort. Nikki Haley wants to flood the United States with more South Asians to increase the political power of South Asians, Sikhs in particular.

    Nikki Haley did everything in her power to attack the memory of Confederate veterans by attacking all statues and flags connected to Confederate veterans. Nikki Haley is doing everything in her power to desecrate and destroy the monuments and memories of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. President Trump made a bad choice when he brought Nikki Haley into his administration.

    Nikki Haley pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Nikki Haley wants to pour more South Asian Sikh invaders and other non-Whites into European Christian nations. Nikki Haley wants to mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nations. Nikki Haley’s family should never have been allowed to infiltrate Canada and then infiltrate the United States.

    When the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate pop, and the next round of the global financial implosion hits, then will be the time when the mass deportations of South Asians and Asians begins.

    This might sound severe, but it won’t when the financial system begins its next meltdown.

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    Didn't Nikki Haley convert to Methodism? And what has Dinesh D'Souza of all people done that is anti-white?

    http://www.newsweek.com/dinesh-dsouza-visits-steve-bannon-and-sebastian-gorka-white-house-646816

    , @Flip
    So why did South Carolina vote her in?
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  51. In total India is a very diverse place, but I have the impression that when you pay attention the great majority of Indians don’t lead very diverse lives and choose to spend almost all their time with those of the same religion, language and caste. The different groups live alongside rather than with each other.

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    I find the same thing in NYC. Diverse communities live around each other.
    , @J.Ross
    This is very true of "diversity success stories" beyond India and is frequently pointed to as a cause of the massive partition riots. Lebanon had truly integrated neighborhoods, and that worked until they started killing each other.
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  52. Re: A number of recent re-posts from the NYT editorial and opinion pages. (w/ commentary).

    I read the NYT a lot during the Dinkins Era (lived and worked just across the Hudson). Some of the op-eds were laughable even then, but that was countered by the rest of the paper, which was usually excellent.

    Now? We have zoomed past laughable to shaking-my-head sad. (People REALLY think this way……and do so with such zealotry that they commit it to print for all the world to see?)

    You should embrace this tag-line: “……I READ THE NEW YORK TIMES…….SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO!…..”

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  53. “The encouragement of re-emigration” is what Enoch Powell advocated for the non-White flood of infiltrators into Britain. Enoch Powell was right — SEND THE BASTARDS BACK!

    White Core Americans must begin setting the stage for a time when the encouragement of repatriation of all non-White infiltrators shall become the deportation policy of the United States government.

    Remember, the only thing currently holding the bankrupt American Empire together is the monetary extremism of the Federal Reserve Bank. Young White Core Americans will radicalize when they fully understand the anti-White demographic attack that is open borders mass immigration.

    Nikki Haley is one of the worst choices that President Trump has made, and Trump has made plenty. Nikki Haley is a nasty whore for the warmongering, Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party. Nikki Haley has no trouble sending White Core American soldiers off to be killed or wounded on behalf of Israel. Nikki Haley puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

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  54. Jimi says:
    @cliff arroyo
    In total India is a very diverse place, but I have the impression that when you pay attention the great majority of Indians don't lead very diverse lives and choose to spend almost all their time with those of the same religion, language and caste. The different groups live alongside rather than with each other.

    I find the same thing in NYC. Diverse communities live around each other.

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  55. Altai says:

    It was never about love for the other it was always self-loathing.

    Denmark is a hipster paradise because it is so homogeneous, just like Japan. ‘Diversity’ makes people conform to type more. But the smug low-conscious person who made that poster just has such a high threshold for sensation and experience that they need to hear a half dozen languages spoken on the street and waves of foreigners just to not feel bored with all the ‘Danes’ who are on average much more worldly and interesting than any other nationality I’ve ever met.

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  56. Pat Boyle says:
    @JackOH
    Isn't "diversity", the ideological thing, actually an oxymoron, a logical absurdity? Our masters want to compel us to be among those who are most different from us, because, we are scolded, they are actually not different from us.

    Any philosophers out there who can help me (or us) out?

    As has been pointed out recently the term “diversity” actually means “More Negroes”. For example if you want to see a monolithic racial body look at the students of Computer Science at Cal Berkeley. They are virtually all Chinese. We could increase the nominal diversity if we admitted more whites. But no one dares to argue for that.

    No one every means more Chinese when they preach for diversity. They don’t even mean more Hispanics. And they certainly don’t mean more Europeans. The call for diversity is a code phrase that means more Negroes.

    Another case where connotation trumps denotation.

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    Look this is simple. In Regents of University of California v. Bakke SCOTUS held you cannot have affirmative action for minorities if there was no showing of past discrimination against said minorities. Since U Cal never discriminated against blacks it could not discriminate in favor of blacks. In dicta one justice said the university in its wisdom could favor some race to add diversity to the educational experience if in their educational wisdom they decided diversity would be more educational to students.

    So diversity became the euphemism for favoring blacks. It was legal while affirmative action was not in places with no proven discrimination against blacks.

    Look at college catalogues online from before Bakke. None held up "diversity" meaning racial diversity, as a positive. After Bakke it spread like a virus and media stories held it up as a great good. You cold read quotes from apartment hunters saying I love Greenpoint Brooklyn because it is so diverse, as if they like it better than the Upper East Side where their kids could scooter down the sidewalk without fear but the co-op would cost fifteen times as much.
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  57. Pat Boyle says:
    @27 year old
    I'm not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see "actors" going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

    I forgive you. I too had a head full of nonsense when I was 27.

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  58. Amasius says:

    There’s a sense in which “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains,” “All men are created equal” or “Workers of the world, unite!” are extremely European ideas.

    These are mostly jewish ideas. Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin. Christianity is of jewish origin of course. Whites do, however, have an element of crazy egalitarianism thanks to pre-Aryan Jante’s Law HG’s which has made it possible for the ideas to take root.

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  59. Dr. X says:

    There’s a sense in which “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains,” … or “Workers of the world, unite!” are extremely European ideas.

    Down through history, granted, most Europeans would have disagreed.

    Still … the trajectory of European political thought would seem to be toward the abstract and away from the particular.

    Europeans seem philosophically uncomfortable with the idea of human biodiversity, while Indians kind of like it the way most dog lovers like the existence of a vast diversity of dog breeds.

    This is about communism. The quotes from Rousseau and Marx are appropriate (but not the Jefferson quote, which is why I deleted it above).

    Communism is a postmodern idea; thus, it is a European idea because modernity is a European idea. Remember, Marx’s prerequisite for communism was that scientific, technological, and economic modernity would so radically transform man’s relationship with nature that man would evolve into a new man, a communist “species-being.”

    In premodern societies, where the population does not live in a technological and economic “artificial reality” profoundly divorced from nature, the differences between individual men and groups of men are obvious and very consequential in daily life.

    I don’t know if Subcontinentals “kind of like [diversity like]…dog breeders” do, but I think that as members of a premodern society with a very, very long history they reflexively accept natural differences as a given.

    A very good example of this is how the postmodern West believes in equality of the sexes (an artificial idea dependent upon synthetic birth control and government-imposed mandates) while Middle Eastern and Subcontinental premodern societies accept natural differences between the sexes as perfectly obvious, ordained by nature, and beyond question.

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  60. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    How on earth would a rational person be triggered by the fact that China is doing better than India in most measures? Or that India has no business imagining itself as a "rising superpower" when it still has half a billion people who practice open defecation?

    >rational person
    >Indians considering national comparisons

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  61. Ian M. says:
    @I, Libertine
    I've come to know quite a few Indians in the last decade or two. My neck of the American woods is a popular destination.

    Question. What reaction would I get if I asked them to which caste they belonged?

    I’ve asked Indians what caste they are from. In my circles (educated class), they almost all hail from the Brahmin caste (I’ve met maybe a handful from the warrior caste).

    Not sure from which caste the Patels who own the local motel would be though.

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  62. Ian M. says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Yeah, I used to get into HBD debates in college. Indians were always the quickest to take my side.

    White guys were the most resistant. The only thing perhaps surprising about that is that they were even more resistant than white women.

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  63. J.Ross says: • Website
    @jim jones
    I asked my local Indian what caste he was and he simply denied that it existed, touche white man.

    The most persistent and important thing about Orientals is that, while whites might lie, they have a firm general sense that truth objectively exists and is knowable, and that when you decide to tell a lie you might get caught, whereas people in the grip of Oriental cultures can reverse this: they lie blatantly and freely, and agonize over accidentally letting slip a politically inconvenient truth.

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    That goes hand in hand with the notion that reality itself is not an objective condition but is fluid and subjective, and with the idea that the individual is impotent, lacking agency. For a rigidly hierarchical system that subjugates individual decisions and efforts, that outlook can be a mechanism for coping with it. Funny thing is, while the imperatives of performance are leading to acceptance of objective truth in the East, postmodernism is undermining acceptance of objective truth in the West. One civilization rising, the other imploding.
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  64. BenKenobi says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    The crime rate among east Asians is generally lower than for whites, so they consider us to be brainless thugs.

    I was once racially profiled in an Asian neighborhood in Hawaii, using a borrowed key to enter a friend's home. Cops came, guns out, everything. Fortunately the matter was straightened out very quickly and harmlessly, so we all had a good laugh about it. Actually, my friend was glad the neighbors were keeping an eye on the place.

    I still remember what the cops said to my friend: "Do you have a Caucasian guy in there?"

    I was recently walking through parking lot in Vancouver and an Asian lady locked her doors as I passed by.

    I LOL’d. “So that’s what that feels like.”

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  65. J.Ross says: • Website
    @cliff arroyo
    In total India is a very diverse place, but I have the impression that when you pay attention the great majority of Indians don't lead very diverse lives and choose to spend almost all their time with those of the same religion, language and caste. The different groups live alongside rather than with each other.

    This is very true of “diversity success stories” beyond India and is frequently pointed to as a cause of the massive partition riots. Lebanon had truly integrated neighborhoods, and that worked until they started killing each other.

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  66. Ayatollah says:

    Hisperic said something brilliant on twitter :

    “Liberals base their social planning on their preschool memories – multicultural harmony, gender egalitarianism, benevolent female authority.”

    They view diversity through the lens of kindergarten – “everyone needs to play nice with one another even though we’re all different.” In reality, the way that diversity shakes out in society is more like high school- sharp demarcations between different groups that are formed based on type of people and a brutal hierarchy that naturally forms both between groups.

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  67. @Charles Pewitt

    Is there a sense in which South Asians, with their obsession with caste, value diversity for the sake of diversity more than do Europeans?

     

    That's an interesting question.

    An even more interesting question is just how quickly White Core Americans can deport anti-White South Asians such as Nikki Haley, Raj Chetty, Bobby Jindal, Dinesh D'Souza and all the rest of them.

    White Core Americans have had it with the Hindus and the other South Asians. I'll say all Asians. Some states are being infiltrated and inundated with South Asians and Asians in general. That will stop when the next phase of the global financial implosion hits. It could hit at any time. Some of the Asians will self-deport and some of the Asians will be encouraged to leave, but when the central bank shysterism currently holding things together breaks down, they will all go by hook or crook.

    Nikki Haley is an anti-White South Asian of the worst sort. Nikki Haley wants to flood the United States with more South Asians to increase the political power of South Asians, Sikhs in particular.

    Nikki Haley did everything in her power to attack the memory of Confederate veterans by attacking all statues and flags connected to Confederate veterans. Nikki Haley is doing everything in her power to desecrate and destroy the monuments and memories of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. President Trump made a bad choice when he brought Nikki Haley into his administration.

    Nikki Haley pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Nikki Haley wants to pour more South Asian Sikh invaders and other non-Whites into European Christian nations. Nikki Haley wants to mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nations. Nikki Haley's family should never have been allowed to infiltrate Canada and then infiltrate the United States.

    When the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate pop, and the next round of the global financial implosion hits, then will be the time when the mass deportations of South Asians and Asians begins.

    This might sound severe, but it won't when the financial system begins its next meltdown.

    Didn’t Nikki Haley convert to Methodism? And what has Dinesh D’Souza of all people done that is anti-white?

    http://www.newsweek.com/dinesh-dsouza-visits-steve-bannon-and-sebastian-gorka-white-house-646816

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    Didn’t Nikki Haley convert to Methodism? And what has Dinesh D’Souza of all people done that is anti-white?

     

    Didn't Bushy Boy #2 convert to Methodism? I don't trust Nikki Haley or Bushy Boy #2, why should I give a damn if they say they're Methodists? The best Methodists make delicious potato salad on Martha's Vineyard.

    The Southern Methodists are fine, except for frauds like George W Bush and Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley and George W Bush are not Southerners. I am the bastard who has ancestors who fought for the Confederacy, not Bushy Boy #2 or Nikki Haley.

    Dinesh D'Souza attacked Sam Francis. Dinesh D'Souza is an anti-White scumbag who pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration.
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  68. Yan Shen says:

    Any thoughts Steve about Starbucks’ macroagression against those two black guys?

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  69. Twinkie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

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    • Replies: @Meretricious
    East Asians have marginally higher quant IQ but, civilizationally, what matters is verbal IQ, which whites have in spades.
    , @J.Ross
    I assume you're familiar with the Indian army's recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?
    , @Twinkie
    I should add that some Russian commenters seemed to be triggered easily by the “a gas station with nuclear weapons” types of remarks about Russia.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

     

    Trigger the bastards and keep them frazzled. White Core Americans have to stop walking on eggshells politically. White Core Americans have to push for their interests, regardless of whether or not it triggers some twats.

    Roy Rogers Says TRIGGER Them Bastards:

    https://twitter.com/COM1CBOOKS/status/932930311708700672

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    And East Europeans are triggered by the Hajnal Line. It's like the B/W gap for Blacks.
    , @Anon

    There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians.
     
    There’s an obvious distinction between an idea and a reality, and the continual conflation of the two is understandably irritating.
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  70. Twinkie says:
    @Anon
    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.

    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.

    Diversity without intense affirmative action or some sort of a countervailing egalitarian controls, though, IS hierarchy.

    If our American secondary education system were to be fashioned the German way, in which pupils are cognitively separated into three groups early on, we’d end up very quickly with a rather obvious racial hierarchy and would certainly cause some political troubles, to be mild about it.

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    The big obsacle here is not anything racial but the Universal College Cult.
    , @Percy Gryce
    Diverarchy = rule by Greg Louganis
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  71. botazefa says:

    Request for Comments:

    Hitherto let’s respond to accusations of white privilege with an Obama-era callback to rattle the credulity of the mystified:

    “[ Racism, White privilege ], I didn’t build that.”

    If born before 1960 use with caution.

    Maybe it’s something quotable to Al Franken

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  72. @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    East Asians have marginally higher quant IQ but, civilizationally, what matters is verbal IQ, which whites have in spades.

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    Thanks for proving my point.
    , @Twinkie
    By the way, the big advantage East Asians have over Europeans isn’t the quantitative IQ - it’s visuo-spatial.
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  73. Berty says:

    It’s be nice if Trump fired Nikki Haley but my gut tells me he’ll just replace her with someone worse, as he seems to always do.

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  74. Tiny Duck says:

    Golly bum you guys are racist

    This is why white males CANNOT be trusted with institutional power

    Just look at the Starbucks fiasco

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  75. Aidan Kehoe says: • Website

    For me, one part of why the human-background-is-basically-interchangeable Big Idea can’t be rejected, is because the corollary of it is that Western Europe should have had loads of kids forty years ago, and should have continued thereafter, and those writing op-eds for the NYT and their parents should have had them too, for the sake of good economic growth without mass immigration.

    Once anyone (an individual or a tribe) has made such a massive mistake, the sunk cost fallacy kicks in, and good luck convincing a gambler down 10000 €, with more money on the table to win, that maybe he should call it a night.

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  76. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    I assume you’re familiar with the Indian army’s recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?

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    I assume you’re familiar with the Indian army’s recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?
     
    I read the news, but do not have any specific knowledge of the issues surrounding the Indian service rifle acquisition program.

    As a general statement, I note that military acquisition is notoriously corrupt and inefficient in many, perhaps most, countries. In countries such as India, I would expect such problems to be more severe still. I can tell you from personal experience that the situation in Pakistan some years ago was almost comically bad.

    In contrast, while China is hardly immune, with something like national defense, I suspect there is much greater accountability. The incentives are strong and the disincentives against corruption and wrongdoing in the defense sector are stronger still (e.g. execution). On the other hand, as a much more authoritarian society, China's defense spending and acquisition are quite opaque, so outsiders can't tell what programs succeeded and what failed (though a rapid turnover is a proxy of sorts... although that could simply indicate the Chinese military leapfrogging generations).
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  77. Aidan Kehoe says: • Website

    Northern Ireland is an amazing local example of a failure of will to have children. The Protestants are the Scots-Irish of US genealogy, not people who are shy about having children, in a situation where they despised the Catholics from the foundation of that state, and it was clear that the Catholics were outbreeding them.

    And yet the population trajectory looks like this. That is, in a situation where there was a clear threat to their dominance of the culture and institutions, there was no willingness of individual Protestant couples to have the four or five children that would have been necessary to dominate their statelet. And now Protestants are a minority west of the Bann, half the territory of the place. Comparing the oldest cohort to the youngest, the clear Protestant majority of the time of Partition is now 48% Catholic, 37% Protestant If they had reproduced like their cousins in the US South, that wouldn’t have happened.

    Writing as a 37 year old man with a good job and no children, not particularly by choice!

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    I remember the story Christopher Hitchens told of driving from Ireland to Northern Ireland.

    Border guard: "Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?"

    Hitchens: "Neither. I am an Atheist"

    Guard: "So, would you be an Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist?"
    , @Anonymous
    The same happened in Rhodesia, with whites having few children -- then being surprised at their declining demographics. Ian Smith himself had only a single child IIRC. The Boers by contrast continued to have large families.
    , @Anonymous
    Terence O'Neill, Northern Ireland Prime Minister, in 1969:

    It is frightfully hard to explain to Protestants that if you give Roman Catholics a good job and a good house, they will live like Protestants because they will see neighbours with cars and television sets; they will refuse to have eighteen children. But if a Roman Catholic is jobless, and lives in the most ghastly hovel, he will rear eighteen children on National Assistance. If you treat Roman Catholics with due consideration and kindness, they will live like Protestants in spite of the authoritative nature of their Church.
     
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  78. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.
     
    Diversity without intense affirmative action or some sort of a countervailing egalitarian controls, though, IS hierarchy.

    If our American secondary education system were to be fashioned the German way, in which pupils are cognitively separated into three groups early on, we’d end up very quickly with a rather obvious racial hierarchy and would certainly cause some political troubles, to be mild about it.

    The big obsacle here is not anything racial but the Universal College Cult.

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    The big obsacle here is not anything racial but the Universal College Cult.
     
    That cult comes out of a radical (cognitively) egalitarian dogma - “Everyone can go to college!”

    In Germany, even at the secondary level, pupils are already divided cognitively into three tracks - menial labor, technical apprenticeship, university-bound - and are educated accordingly.

    We should do that here in the U.S., but we don’t because higher education has become a big business and because the racial implications are unacceptable to those in power.
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  79. Joe Walker says: • Website

    Europeans have spent way too much time listening to Ashkenazi Jewish propaganda about how all the problems of the world were created by white Christians.

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  80. @Twinkie

    India is more like Diverarchy. Diversity + Hierarchy.
     
    Diversity without intense affirmative action or some sort of a countervailing egalitarian controls, though, IS hierarchy.

    If our American secondary education system were to be fashioned the German way, in which pupils are cognitively separated into three groups early on, we’d end up very quickly with a rather obvious racial hierarchy and would certainly cause some political troubles, to be mild about it.

    Diverarchy = rule by Greg Louganis

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  81. Flip says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Is there a sense in which South Asians, with their obsession with caste, value diversity for the sake of diversity more than do Europeans?

     

    That's an interesting question.

    An even more interesting question is just how quickly White Core Americans can deport anti-White South Asians such as Nikki Haley, Raj Chetty, Bobby Jindal, Dinesh D'Souza and all the rest of them.

    White Core Americans have had it with the Hindus and the other South Asians. I'll say all Asians. Some states are being infiltrated and inundated with South Asians and Asians in general. That will stop when the next phase of the global financial implosion hits. It could hit at any time. Some of the Asians will self-deport and some of the Asians will be encouraged to leave, but when the central bank shysterism currently holding things together breaks down, they will all go by hook or crook.

    Nikki Haley is an anti-White South Asian of the worst sort. Nikki Haley wants to flood the United States with more South Asians to increase the political power of South Asians, Sikhs in particular.

    Nikki Haley did everything in her power to attack the memory of Confederate veterans by attacking all statues and flags connected to Confederate veterans. Nikki Haley is doing everything in her power to desecrate and destroy the monuments and memories of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. President Trump made a bad choice when he brought Nikki Haley into his administration.

    Nikki Haley pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Nikki Haley wants to pour more South Asian Sikh invaders and other non-Whites into European Christian nations. Nikki Haley wants to mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nations. Nikki Haley's family should never have been allowed to infiltrate Canada and then infiltrate the United States.

    When the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate pop, and the next round of the global financial implosion hits, then will be the time when the mass deportations of South Asians and Asians begins.

    This might sound severe, but it won't when the financial system begins its next meltdown.

    So why did South Carolina vote her in?

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  82. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    I guess no Writes With Wolves.

    LOL.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-most-underrepresented.html

    #DiversitySoBlack

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  83. Anonym says:
    @Anthony Wayne
    Could it be that political thought in the West has tended toward the abstract because those with the particular cognitive ability to deal in the particular have for hundreds of years been going into industry rather than politics?

    "The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems." -Marx in letter to Engels

    “The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems.” -Marx in letter to Engels

    And it showed, even in his treatment of knotty problems. Marx did not seem to appreciate that a characteristic of the business owner was that generally the more successful ones took their profit and invested everything back into the business rather than living the high life. This generally makes their goods or services better over time to a point (though scammy exceptions exist).

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.

    So the idea that “surplus value is theft” is ignorant of the value to society created by the typical growing business. Deficit value (loss) is waste, and a greater evil than surplus value (profit). Taking raw materials and producing goods of less value than they started with is wasteful. A society of squanderers is hopeless, SSA like.

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    Anonym is a thinker who's gotten
    To the root of why Marxism's rotten.
    An example of waste
    To my hard money taste:
    Printing dollars on what was good cotton.
    , @Eagle Eye

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.
     
    Minor quibble - kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the "petty bourgeois" class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    The most famous kulak in history was not Russian but Chinese. Mao Tse-Tung was the scion of a solid "medium farming" (中農) family in landlocked Hunan Province, China.

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  84. JMcG says:
    @27 year old
    I'm not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see "actors" going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

    Can I be 1962?

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  85. I’ve studied India at every possible level for coming on 50 years. First let me save you from trying to reinvent the wheel and point out Dumont’s classic work:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Hierarchicus

    Increasingly Dumont’s thesis is ignored, as we move beyond the Brahmin’s self-serving claims about a hierarchical ‘caste system’ with them on top (even they want to be seen as a disadvantaged ‘minority’ earning affirmative action now) and notice that Indian tribal ‘castes’ are more like medieval guilds – potter’s caste, merchant castes, scribe castes, leather making castes, musician castes (gypsies)…

    It’s an Alice down the rabbit hole thing 3000 years in the making, among people thrown together by geography and isolation. Unless you also have such an old isolated society there’s little point making comparisons. Europe is actually closer to India’s ‘caste system’ than we Scots-Irish-Anglos are. Bavarians are more Bavarian than German. Calabrians etc etc remain linked to their roots. Spain is splitting into its medieval components. There’s a huge divide between Flemish and French Belgians… Surely all that is why Merkel’s United States of Europe is failing (Bavarian resistance for a start). The Soviet Union came closest until people saw it was just Russian imperialism.

    What about us Scots-Irish/Anglo-Saxons? Rootless nomads, orphans with no home, driven from place to place. Modernity largely relies on our individuation, but is there any future in that? We started out on the Scottish Borders, or driven from the Continent by the expansion of other Germanic and Nordic tribes. My ‘multicultural’ city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there’s a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants with no english now are lawyers and policians, and some of the wealthiest people, because ‘we’ were complacent. Then came the Lebanese who had big families just when the Irish (the anglo-base population) discovered birth control and stopped even marrying. Now the Chinese are buying up whole districts.

    The question for me is what is the future for the Scots/Irish-Anglo-Irish? Everyone else is doing just fine! Maybe we can colonise the Moon… well at first Star Trek gave us that hope for a while (hence complacency). And we all looked to you Americans post WW2, you seemed to be the future. Now I see you yourselves have devolved into a woman-worshipping cult as Dalrock documents, not that we had no warning, see Terry Thomas’s anti-american speech in Mad Mad World, whose writer William Rose had an interesting perspective.

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    PS to mentioning the promise of 60s science fiction, I see the new Lost in Space is on the cutting edge still:

    'Maureen Robinson, the “fearless and brilliant aerospace engineer who makes the decision to bring her family to space for a chance at a new life on a better world.” '

    https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/04/16/review-of-new-lost-in-space-2018/

    Brothers, the Matriarchy is here!

    (I agree with critics of 'Limeys' that Theresa May represents the endtime of Anglo-Saxon/Norman modernity btw. As a wit noticed, she drags her feet for a year and negotiates away Brexit, but she makes an overnite decision to bom Syria, the Anglo- Matriarchy ascendant! And please don't blame the Boomer men who were drafted to become targets in Vietnam, or had that hanging over their heads growing up - we were lied to and taken on this mad femocracy ride. Lies, all lies.)

    , @Charles Pewitt
    J. Algernon Hawthorne:

    Against it? I should be positively astounded to hear of anything that could be said FOR it. Why, the whole bloody place is the most unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of civilization! Look at yourself, and the way your wife and her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop! As far as I can see, American men have been totally emasculated. They're like slaves! They die like flies from coronary thrombosis, while their women sit under hairdryers, eating chocolates and arranging for every second Tuesday to be some sort of Mother's Day!

     


    And this positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms. In all my time in this wretched, godforsaken country, the one thing that has appalled me most of all is this preposterous preoccupation with bosoms. Don't you realize they have become the dominant theme in American culture: in literature, advertising and all fields of entertainment and everything. I'll wager you anything you like: if American women stopped wearing brassieres, your whole national economy would collapse overnight.

     

    , @Bernardista

    My ‘multicultural’ city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there’s a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants..etc,etc..
     
    So? Why not marry one? There are brunettes, blue-eyed blondes if that's your thing, and redheads.
    Your children will carry your name and genes, as well as some strong (peasant, if you will) neolithic farmer alleles.

    Pro-tip: Do NOT mention the peasant thing. My mother (who married an Italian) said to my great aunt Rose that she enjoyed having her in-laws over as guests because they were so down to earth . The word peasant was mentioned somehow, and my aunt lifted an eyebrow and said quietly: Not us! We're aristocrats!, and this was followed by a very awkward silence.
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  86. JackOH says:
    @27 year old
    I'm not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see "actors" going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

    Hat’s off, 27-. This works for me as a sort of plausible scenario of how some Chinese resident in the States view Americans now—a sort of legacy people whose achievements ought to be “modeled”, then surpassed, by the Chinese, of course.

    I talk on occasion with the mainland Chinese students at my local state university. They’re hip, they regard themselves as second fiddle to no one, they’re polite and friendly to a fault, and many will return to their homeland with American education cred under their belt but Chinese interests in their hearts. Who can blame them?

    I’m exasperated sometimes. The job of our government is to help make life good for Americans. Americans who are good, Americans who are not so good. Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario? (Rambling a bit, I know.)

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    Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario?
     
    Paying full tuition which is all the Educational Complex cares about. Derb said recently that there are 300k+ foreign students in the US.
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  87. Twinkie says:
    @Meretricious
    East Asians have marginally higher quant IQ but, civilizationally, what matters is verbal IQ, which whites have in spades.

    Thanks for proving my point.

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  88. Twinkie says:
    @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    I should add that some Russian commenters seemed to be triggered easily by the “a gas station with nuclear weapons” types of remarks about Russia.

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    Not so much triggered as annoyed by people being incorrect. I don't mind criticisms/insults of Russia that are accurate.
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  89. Twinkie says:
    @Meretricious
    East Asians have marginally higher quant IQ but, civilizationally, what matters is verbal IQ, which whites have in spades.

    By the way, the big advantage East Asians have over Europeans isn’t the quantitative IQ – it’s visuo-spatial.

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  90. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    We live in interesting times

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  92. @Aidan Kehoe
    Northern Ireland is an amazing local example of a failure of will to have children. The Protestants are the Scots-Irish of US genealogy, not people who are shy about having children, in a situation where they despised the Catholics from the foundation of that state, and it was clear that the Catholics were outbreeding them.

    And yet the population trajectory looks like this. That is, in a situation where there was a clear threat to their dominance of the culture and institutions, there was no willingness of individual Protestant couples to have the four or five children that would have been necessary to dominate their statelet. And now Protestants are a minority west of the Bann, half the territory of the place. Comparing the oldest cohort to the youngest, the clear Protestant majority of the time of Partition is now 48% Catholic, 37% Protestant If they had reproduced like their cousins in the US South, that wouldn't have happened.

    Writing as a 37 year old man with a good job and no children, not particularly by choice!

    I remember the story Christopher Hitchens told of driving from Ireland to Northern Ireland.

    Border guard: “Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?”

    Hitchens: “Neither. I am an Atheist”

    Guard: “So, would you be an Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist?”

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  93. @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    Trigger the bastards and keep them frazzled. White Core Americans have to stop walking on eggshells politically. White Core Americans have to push for their interests, regardless of whether or not it triggers some twats.

    Roy Rogers Says TRIGGER Them Bastards:

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    I personally run Geissele triggers in all my ARs.

    https://geissele.com
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  94. Jimi says:

    Patels are prosperous peasants. Small landowners and landlords.

    The ones that work the field usually own the land they are working on.

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  95. @fictitious gui xing
    I've studied India at every possible level for coming on 50 years. First let me save you from trying to reinvent the wheel and point out Dumont's classic work:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Hierarchicus

    Increasingly Dumont's thesis is ignored, as we move beyond the Brahmin's self-serving claims about a hierarchical 'caste system' with them on top (even they want to be seen as a disadvantaged 'minority' earning affirmative action now) and notice that Indian tribal 'castes' are more like medieval guilds - potter's caste, merchant castes, scribe castes, leather making castes, musician castes (gypsies)...

    It's an Alice down the rabbit hole thing 3000 years in the making, among people thrown together by geography and isolation. Unless you also have such an old isolated society there's little point making comparisons. Europe is actually closer to India's 'caste system' than we Scots-Irish-Anglos are. Bavarians are more Bavarian than German. Calabrians etc etc remain linked to their roots. Spain is splitting into its medieval components. There's a huge divide between Flemish and French Belgians... Surely all that is why Merkel's United States of Europe is failing (Bavarian resistance for a start). The Soviet Union came closest until people saw it was just Russian imperialism.

    What about us Scots-Irish/Anglo-Saxons? Rootless nomads, orphans with no home, driven from place to place. Modernity largely relies on our individuation, but is there any future in that? We started out on the Scottish Borders, or driven from the Continent by the expansion of other Germanic and Nordic tribes. My 'multicultural' city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there's a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants with no english now are lawyers and policians, and some of the wealthiest people, because 'we' were complacent. Then came the Lebanese who had big families just when the Irish (the anglo-base population) discovered birth control and stopped even marrying. Now the Chinese are buying up whole districts.

    The question for me is what is the future for the Scots/Irish-Anglo-Irish? Everyone else is doing just fine! Maybe we can colonise the Moon... well at first Star Trek gave us that hope for a while (hence complacency). And we all looked to you Americans post WW2, you seemed to be the future. Now I see you yourselves have devolved into a woman-worshipping cult as Dalrock documents, not that we had no warning, see Terry Thomas's anti-american speech in Mad Mad World, whose writer William Rose had an interesting perspective.

    PS to mentioning the promise of 60s science fiction, I see the new Lost in Space is on the cutting edge still:

    ‘Maureen Robinson, the “fearless and brilliant aerospace engineer who makes the decision to bring her family to space for a chance at a new life on a better world.” ‘

    https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/04/16/review-of-new-lost-in-space-2018/

    Brothers, the Matriarchy is here!

    (I agree with critics of ‘Limeys’ that Theresa May represents the endtime of Anglo-Saxon/Norman modernity btw. As a wit noticed, she drags her feet for a year and negotiates away Brexit, but she makes an overnite decision to bom Syria, the Anglo- Matriarchy ascendant! And please don’t blame the Boomer men who were drafted to become targets in Vietnam, or had that hanging over their heads growing up – we were lied to and taken on this mad femocracy ride. Lies, all lies.)

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    Theresa May and Angela Merkel like their fish:

    https://twitter.com/davidsonhrj/status/839472899970957312

    https://twitter.com/ivisbohlen/status/604640150442897409
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  96. @Ali Choudhury
    Didn't Nikki Haley convert to Methodism? And what has Dinesh D'Souza of all people done that is anti-white?

    http://www.newsweek.com/dinesh-dsouza-visits-steve-bannon-and-sebastian-gorka-white-house-646816

    Didn’t Nikki Haley convert to Methodism? And what has Dinesh D’Souza of all people done that is anti-white?

    Didn’t Bushy Boy #2 convert to Methodism? I don’t trust Nikki Haley or Bushy Boy #2, why should I give a damn if they say they’re Methodists? The best Methodists make delicious potato salad on Martha’s Vineyard.

    The Southern Methodists are fine, except for frauds like George W Bush and Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley and George W Bush are not Southerners. I am the bastard who has ancestors who fought for the Confederacy, not Bushy Boy #2 or Nikki Haley.

    Dinesh D’Souza attacked Sam Francis. Dinesh D’Souza is an anti-White scumbag who pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration.

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  97. Twinkie says:
    @J.Ross
    The big obsacle here is not anything racial but the Universal College Cult.

    The big obsacle here is not anything racial but the Universal College Cult.

    That cult comes out of a radical (cognitively) egalitarian dogma – “Everyone can go to college!”

    In Germany, even at the secondary level, pupils are already divided cognitively into three tracks – menial labor, technical apprenticeship, university-bound – and are educated accordingly.

    We should do that here in the U.S., but we don’t because higher education has become a big business and because the racial implications are unacceptable to those in power.

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  98. @fictitious gui xing
    PS to mentioning the promise of 60s science fiction, I see the new Lost in Space is on the cutting edge still:

    'Maureen Robinson, the “fearless and brilliant aerospace engineer who makes the decision to bring her family to space for a chance at a new life on a better world.” '

    https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/04/16/review-of-new-lost-in-space-2018/

    Brothers, the Matriarchy is here!

    (I agree with critics of 'Limeys' that Theresa May represents the endtime of Anglo-Saxon/Norman modernity btw. As a wit noticed, she drags her feet for a year and negotiates away Brexit, but she makes an overnite decision to bom Syria, the Anglo- Matriarchy ascendant! And please don't blame the Boomer men who were drafted to become targets in Vietnam, or had that hanging over their heads growing up - we were lied to and taken on this mad femocracy ride. Lies, all lies.)

    Theresa May and Angela Merkel like their fish:

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  99. @fictitious gui xing
    I've studied India at every possible level for coming on 50 years. First let me save you from trying to reinvent the wheel and point out Dumont's classic work:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Hierarchicus

    Increasingly Dumont's thesis is ignored, as we move beyond the Brahmin's self-serving claims about a hierarchical 'caste system' with them on top (even they want to be seen as a disadvantaged 'minority' earning affirmative action now) and notice that Indian tribal 'castes' are more like medieval guilds - potter's caste, merchant castes, scribe castes, leather making castes, musician castes (gypsies)...

    It's an Alice down the rabbit hole thing 3000 years in the making, among people thrown together by geography and isolation. Unless you also have such an old isolated society there's little point making comparisons. Europe is actually closer to India's 'caste system' than we Scots-Irish-Anglos are. Bavarians are more Bavarian than German. Calabrians etc etc remain linked to their roots. Spain is splitting into its medieval components. There's a huge divide between Flemish and French Belgians... Surely all that is why Merkel's United States of Europe is failing (Bavarian resistance for a start). The Soviet Union came closest until people saw it was just Russian imperialism.

    What about us Scots-Irish/Anglo-Saxons? Rootless nomads, orphans with no home, driven from place to place. Modernity largely relies on our individuation, but is there any future in that? We started out on the Scottish Borders, or driven from the Continent by the expansion of other Germanic and Nordic tribes. My 'multicultural' city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there's a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants with no english now are lawyers and policians, and some of the wealthiest people, because 'we' were complacent. Then came the Lebanese who had big families just when the Irish (the anglo-base population) discovered birth control and stopped even marrying. Now the Chinese are buying up whole districts.

    The question for me is what is the future for the Scots/Irish-Anglo-Irish? Everyone else is doing just fine! Maybe we can colonise the Moon... well at first Star Trek gave us that hope for a while (hence complacency). And we all looked to you Americans post WW2, you seemed to be the future. Now I see you yourselves have devolved into a woman-worshipping cult as Dalrock documents, not that we had no warning, see Terry Thomas's anti-american speech in Mad Mad World, whose writer William Rose had an interesting perspective.

    J. Algernon Hawthorne:

    Against it? I should be positively astounded to hear of anything that could be said FOR it. Why, the whole bloody place is the most unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of civilization! Look at yourself, and the way your wife and her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop! As far as I can see, American men have been totally emasculated. They’re like slaves! They die like flies from coronary thrombosis, while their women sit under hairdryers, eating chocolates and arranging for every second Tuesday to be some sort of Mother’s Day!

    And this positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms. In all my time in this wretched, godforsaken country, the one thing that has appalled me most of all is this preposterous preoccupation with bosoms. Don’t you realize they have become the dominant theme in American culture: in literature, advertising and all fields of entertainment and everything. I’ll wager you anything you like: if American women stopped wearing brassieres, your whole national economy would collapse overnight.

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  100. DB Cooper says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    For Hindus, caste system is a given. It is the fabric of Hindu society. Without it, Hindu/Indian historical civilization would collapse.

    Some, like Mahatma Ghandi, tried to reform it- but not to completely abolish it. They knew their stuff.

    That’s not true. Gandhi never tried to reform Caste. He embraced it like any good Hindu. The guy that tried to reform it is the untouchable B. R. Ambedkar. He was the one that fought against Gandhi on the Caste system.

    To be a good Hindu is to know your place. And Gandhi certainly knew his place. This is the reason why Gandhi deferred the prime minster ship to Nehru because Gandhi wasn’t a Brahmin, Nehru was.

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    You're automatically wrong because Brahmins are not supposed to be on top politically. That's a job for kshatriyas according to every Hindu text. Brahmins are supposed to confine themselves to education and priestly stuff, and stay poor.
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  101. I’ve written several times about how many of the chest-thumping Indians view diversity as an asset, but in reality it’s a huge disadvantage for India.

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/india-is-not-nation.html

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/china-vs-india-genetic-diversity.html

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/race-matters-to-india-as-well.html

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/if-you-want-to-survive-and-thrive-in.html

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-beauty-of-homogeneity.html

    I don’t know what you all are talking about in terms of Indians being HBD aware. All Indian politicians in the U.S. tend to either be SJWs or neocons, neither of which are receptive to IQ arguments.

    I’ve never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ. If they accept HBD for blacks but not themselves, then they are not true HBD believers – that’s just ethnic chauvinism. Every Indian in the U.S., even in private conversation, pays lip service to the equality of all Indians. They may complain about caste reservations but even the Brahmins never make a genetic-IQ argument about it.

    My entire blog’s purpose is to force Indians to discuss HBD and to red pill them on race, IQ, and gender issues. The rest of the HBD world is far to anti-Indian and white supremacist for Indians to tune into consistently in significant numbers, so I will fill the gap.

    I’ve written about Nikki Haley here:

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/syria.html

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/why-does-alt-right-hate-indians.html

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    I’ve never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ.
     
    Hey, that is a great way for me to prove to the 70-IQ WN wiggers here that I am not an Indian.

    India is behind China, period. This is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992, now the gap is way too large for India to catch up.

    There. I am obviously not an Indian.

    These White Trashionalists can't get past the fact that successful whites (like me) just hate the defective subrace of whites that WNs (the males) and fat bluehaired feminists (the females) comprise of.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Interesting blog.

    You strive to promote empirical truths, even if ‘uncomfortable.’ I like that.
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  102. DB Cooper says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Another way to trigger them is to tell them India or any form of a single polity that spans the subcontinent has never existed until the British came can created one. You will then get an earful of this or that empire blah blah blah which is pseudo history and nonsense.

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    Mauryan Empire.

    Also when vast majority of population is & has been along Indo Gangetic Plain, who cares?
    , @Anonymous
    You're factually wrong because the Maurya and Mughal empires both had boundaries that matched the borders of British India. Read a book sometime.

    But even if you were right, Europe has never been under a single polity either. That doesn't stop white nationalists from being concerned about "muh Europa being flooded by darkies", does it?
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  103. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aidan Kehoe
    Northern Ireland is an amazing local example of a failure of will to have children. The Protestants are the Scots-Irish of US genealogy, not people who are shy about having children, in a situation where they despised the Catholics from the foundation of that state, and it was clear that the Catholics were outbreeding them.

    And yet the population trajectory looks like this. That is, in a situation where there was a clear threat to their dominance of the culture and institutions, there was no willingness of individual Protestant couples to have the four or five children that would have been necessary to dominate their statelet. And now Protestants are a minority west of the Bann, half the territory of the place. Comparing the oldest cohort to the youngest, the clear Protestant majority of the time of Partition is now 48% Catholic, 37% Protestant If they had reproduced like their cousins in the US South, that wouldn't have happened.

    Writing as a 37 year old man with a good job and no children, not particularly by choice!

    The same happened in Rhodesia, with whites having few children — then being surprised at their declining demographics. Ian Smith himself had only a single child IIRC. The Boers by contrast continued to have large families.

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    Yes, but who got the farm when the parents died? Rhodesians had small families because, for one thing, they'd have to subdivide the farm or practice primogeniture, which weren't the done thing.

    The real tragedy of history with regard to Rhodesia is that it wasn't filled up with Mormons.
    If they had gotten there, the Mormons, in the days of plural marriage, would have made Deseret on the Zambezi magnificent.
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  104. DB Cooper says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Talking about Indian’s superpower fetish most people in the world don’t know but there is this disgusting thing called ‘Akhand Bharat’. If people don’t know what is Akhand Bharat here is a Hindu explaining what is Akhand Bharat.

    https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/dream-of-greater-india-forget-akhand-bharat-or-hindu-rashtra-bharat-mahasangh-of-like-minded-nations-is-a-more-feasible-goal/

    Thanks to this Akhand Bharat mindset today Bhutan is defacto semi-occupied by India even though nominally it is a fully sovereign independent country and a member state of the United Nation.

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    Thanks to this Akhand Bharat mindset today Bhutan is defacto semi-occupied by India even though nominally it is a fully sovereign independent country and a member state of the United Nation.
     
    If Bhutan didn't want Indian control, maybe they should have gone the Taiwan route, becoming a US client. There's no such thing as sovereign independence for non-nuclear countries, Washington wouldn't allow it.
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  105. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous
    Most definitely. Each caste considers itself quite important and has its own traditional lore and it's heroes.

    The concept of one overarching untouchable caste is a modern invention - in reality each village had a different assortment of castes, some of which were looked down upon and not touched by the other castes. However even those low castes would look down upon yet other castes, or on tribals in the forest and so on. So they had their own pride. And the relative position of these castes changed over the years as some pulled ahead, some got defeated in war and so on.

    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim. Or how Chinese are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as successful as whites.

    To an outside observer, the social order in America seems to be Jew > White > East Asian / south Asian > Muslim > Hispanic > black. But we all know each of those groups considers itself quite special.

    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim.

    Whites can point to one or two real world achievements that the Ashkenazi supermen have somehow overlooked.

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    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.
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  106. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bryan
    Rough hypothesis: René Girard was basically right. The key to keeping your society from killing itself is to keep people from all wanting the same thing. They start copying each other's desires and you are seconds from disaster.

    A rigid caste system basically says that, while you might still covet your neighbor's wife, you can't covet ALL your neighbors' wives. You reduce the scope of catastrophe by reducing the scope of socially acceptable desire. When that fails, you chop somebody up. It's an old but reliable system.

    The Western, Christian, idea was no. The solution is to become the sort of person who doesn't covet his neighbor's wife; with divine grace and a constant reminder about this guy who was beaten and impaled, you know, we just might pull it off.

    Well, that didn't work out. And our economic system insists that absolutely everyone everywhere should all want exactly the same thing all the time. Not wanting the exact same thing all the time is a criminal offense. It won't be long before everyone's reaching for his machete.

    You have to figure what comes next is something much more rigid, like the Indian caste system, to manage this problem.

    Rough hypothesis: René Girard was basically right. The key to keeping your society from killing itself is to keep people from all wanting the same thing. They start copying each other’s desires and you are seconds from disaster.

    It depends. Is “the same thing” fungible? We cannot all want the same person as a mate, for instance, or the same plot of ground, but we can all want to own a Chevy or a Fender Stratocaster or an iPhone from the CurrentYear. Mass production depends on the latter.

    In fact, the purpose of advertising is to do exactly that: make us want the same kind of stuff, the same kind of living arrangements, etc.

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  107. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The same happened in Rhodesia, with whites having few children -- then being surprised at their declining demographics. Ian Smith himself had only a single child IIRC. The Boers by contrast continued to have large families.

    Yes, but who got the farm when the parents died? Rhodesians had small families because, for one thing, they’d have to subdivide the farm or practice primogeniture, which weren’t the done thing.

    The real tragedy of history with regard to Rhodesia is that it wasn’t filled up with Mormons.
    If they had gotten there, the Mormons, in the days of plural marriage, would have made Deseret on the Zambezi magnificent.

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    I wonder if Ulstermen and Rhodesians weren't too worried about the shifting demographics because they thought the Brits would come to their aid if things got too difficult. (The Boers wouldn't have had this delusion.)

    The attitude among both tribes seems to have been that, since they had helped the Brits against their enemies (Germans), now the Brits had a duty to help them against theirs (Black/Irish nationalists.) Clearly that wasn't how the situation was seen in London.

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  108. Only slightly OT

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43768132

    Richard Lynn has been non personned by some university. According to the BBC : “He has argued that people from east Asia have a higher average IQ than Europeans …..”

    What snowflakes the Ulstermen must be.

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  109. @JackOH
    Hat's off, 27-. This works for me as a sort of plausible scenario of how some Chinese resident in the States view Americans now---a sort of legacy people whose achievements ought to be "modeled", then surpassed, by the Chinese, of course.

    I talk on occasion with the mainland Chinese students at my local state university. They're hip, they regard themselves as second fiddle to no one, they're polite and friendly to a fault, and many will return to their homeland with American education cred under their belt but Chinese interests in their hearts. Who can blame them?

    I'm exasperated sometimes. The job of our government is to help make life good for Americans. Americans who are good, Americans who are not so good. Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario? (Rambling a bit, I know.)

    Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario?

    Paying full tuition which is all the Educational Complex cares about. Derb said recently that there are 300k+ foreign students in the US.

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    It amazes me that Germany also has over 300K international students attending their universities, all on the public dime.

    http://dref.de/en/research/student-numbers-in-germany/

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  110. The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won’t be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.

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    The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won’t be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.
     
    Is the Peter Principle even a thing outside the US? Social stratification would solve that, but that would mean that people born into the blacksmith caste who weren't good blacksmiths would starve-what else could they do?-and also the other castes would be codependent on the blacksmith castes such as they would have a huge power over them.

    And eventually, with no competition, the blacksmith trade would become ossified and never make any progress. In the US, there was never a shortage of blacksmiths, indeed, in some places there was an oversupply, which led to some becoming mechanics and millwrights and machinists, which made mass production possible.

    I worked in electronic plants where the old hands in the production test and warranty repair department were all former TV repair shop techs, many had owned their own shop. In the Cold War, the Navy and the other services trained huge numbers of electronic rates-ETs, FCs, electronic airedales, et al, and their equivalent MOS or AFSC in the Army or AF-and the market for TV repairmen was saturated in many places. A few started manufacturing businesses, a lot more took production jobs.

    German and North Italian journeyman tradesmen came to the US and very often started business similar to , but not the same as, what they did back home. Over there, the guilds would not have allowed it: gunmakers didn't make sewing machines or typewriters, and there was a dispute between cabinetmakers and violinmakers as to who could build guitars.

    In a caste system, you can't do that, and the blacksmith caste doesnt get the benefit of Brahmin IQ in solving intractable problems because no Brahmin even thinks about blacksmithing.
    , @Anonymous
    This was one of the traditional strengths of the German army. It had very high quality NCOs because men of uncommon ability were not automatically promoted to the officer corps and so taken away from the front line, where their abilities were arguably more needed.
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  111. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @Pat Boyle
    As has been pointed out recently the term "diversity" actually means "More Negroes". For example if you want to see a monolithic racial body look at the students of Computer Science at Cal Berkeley. They are virtually all Chinese. We could increase the nominal diversity if we admitted more whites. But no one dares to argue for that.

    No one every means more Chinese when they preach for diversity. They don't even mean more Hispanics. And they certainly don't mean more Europeans. The call for diversity is a code phrase that means more Negroes.

    Another case where connotation trumps denotation.

    Look this is simple. In Regents of University of California v. Bakke SCOTUS held you cannot have affirmative action for minorities if there was no showing of past discrimination against said minorities. Since U Cal never discriminated against blacks it could not discriminate in favor of blacks. In dicta one justice said the university in its wisdom could favor some race to add diversity to the educational experience if in their educational wisdom they decided diversity would be more educational to students.

    So diversity became the euphemism for favoring blacks. It was legal while affirmative action was not in places with no proven discrimination against blacks.

    Look at college catalogues online from before Bakke. None held up “diversity” meaning racial diversity, as a positive. After Bakke it spread like a virus and media stories held it up as a great good. You cold read quotes from apartment hunters saying I love Greenpoint Brooklyn because it is so diverse, as if they like it better than the Upper East Side where their kids could scooter down the sidewalk without fear but the co-op would cost fifteen times as much.

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  112. Thomm says:
    @Red Pill Indian
    I've written several times about how many of the chest-thumping Indians view diversity as an asset, but in reality it's a huge disadvantage for India.

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/india-is-not-nation.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/china-vs-india-genetic-diversity.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/race-matters-to-india-as-well.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/if-you-want-to-survive-and-thrive-in.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-beauty-of-homogeneity.html


    I don't know what you all are talking about in terms of Indians being HBD aware. All Indian politicians in the U.S. tend to either be SJWs or neocons, neither of which are receptive to IQ arguments.

    I've never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ. If they accept HBD for blacks but not themselves, then they are not true HBD believers - that's just ethnic chauvinism. Every Indian in the U.S., even in private conversation, pays lip service to the equality of all Indians. They may complain about caste reservations but even the Brahmins never make a genetic-IQ argument about it.

    My entire blog's purpose is to force Indians to discuss HBD and to red pill them on race, IQ, and gender issues. The rest of the HBD world is far to anti-Indian and white supremacist for Indians to tune into consistently in significant numbers, so I will fill the gap.

    I've written about Nikki Haley here:

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/syria.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/why-does-alt-right-hate-indians.html

    I’ve never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ.

    Hey, that is a great way for me to prove to the 70-IQ WN wiggers here that I am not an Indian.

    India is behind China, period. This is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992, now the gap is way too large for India to catch up.

    There. I am obviously not an Indian.

    These White Trashionalists can’t get past the fact that successful whites (like me) just hate the defective subrace of whites that WNs (the males) and fat bluehaired feminists (the females) comprise of.

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    Sorry but this line "While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992,...." just give away that you are an Indian.

    Very few white people would care or know this fact while a lot of Indians are cognizant of it.
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  113. @Red Pill Indian
    I've written several times about how many of the chest-thumping Indians view diversity as an asset, but in reality it's a huge disadvantage for India.

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/india-is-not-nation.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/china-vs-india-genetic-diversity.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/race-matters-to-india-as-well.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/if-you-want-to-survive-and-thrive-in.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-beauty-of-homogeneity.html


    I don't know what you all are talking about in terms of Indians being HBD aware. All Indian politicians in the U.S. tend to either be SJWs or neocons, neither of which are receptive to IQ arguments.

    I've never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ. If they accept HBD for blacks but not themselves, then they are not true HBD believers - that's just ethnic chauvinism. Every Indian in the U.S., even in private conversation, pays lip service to the equality of all Indians. They may complain about caste reservations but even the Brahmins never make a genetic-IQ argument about it.

    My entire blog's purpose is to force Indians to discuss HBD and to red pill them on race, IQ, and gender issues. The rest of the HBD world is far to anti-Indian and white supremacist for Indians to tune into consistently in significant numbers, so I will fill the gap.

    I've written about Nikki Haley here:

    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/04/syria.html
    http://redpillindian.blogspot.com/2018/03/why-does-alt-right-hate-indians.html

    Interesting blog.

    You strive to promote empirical truths, even if ‘uncomfortable.’ I like that.

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  114. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    >Be Indian
    >worship cow
    >put wife on bonfire
    >rape tourist lady
    >poo on street

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  115. Thirdeye says:
    @J.Ross
    The most persistent and important thing about Orientals is that, while whites might lie, they have a firm general sense that truth objectively exists and is knowable, and that when you decide to tell a lie you might get caught, whereas people in the grip of Oriental cultures can reverse this: they lie blatantly and freely, and agonize over accidentally letting slip a politically inconvenient truth.

    That goes hand in hand with the notion that reality itself is not an objective condition but is fluid and subjective, and with the idea that the individual is impotent, lacking agency. For a rigidly hierarchical system that subjugates individual decisions and efforts, that outlook can be a mechanism for coping with it. Funny thing is, while the imperatives of performance are leading to acceptance of objective truth in the East, postmodernism is undermining acceptance of objective truth in the West. One civilization rising, the other imploding.

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    Yes, I wonder in which situation a person of the future would better expect to have basic rights protected.
    Shills on 4chan are crowing right now because the inquisition into Russian hackers delegitimizing the 2016 election has established that Sean Hannity might or might not have been a client to a lawyer that became the President's lawyer, and (Seth Myers voice), well, this is all so embarassingggg (/smv). To Hannity. Or somebody. Because it's against the law for lawyers to have clients.
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  116. Somehow, I don’t think Sailer got the discussion on HBD, caste, diversity, India, and the modern West, that he was expecting.

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  117. @27 year old
    I'm not sure about the Indians, but I do think if all else fails, the White race will live on as a novelty entertainment for the Chinese, who genuinely seem to find us cool and interesting.

    We should start laying the groundwork for creating several huge versions of colonial Williamsburg, centered around different decades of America. So Chinese people can walk around the streets of an American large town/small city circa 1955 and see "actors" going about daily life. Would be a pretty OK gig, kind of like the ultimate LARPing. Instead of an old time blacksmith hammering out coat hooks, there would be a regional lighting fixture factory where bunch of guys would be doing work and a classic central casting WASP owner sitting in his office with a window over the factory floor, talking to the floor manager who is his son in law, etc. Night time visitors could look in on a bowling league in the basement of the Elks lodge or see some well dressed blonde children doing homework on the living room floor while their father reads a newspaper. The only downside would be a bunch of Chinese people potentially watching everything you do.

    The White Ethnostate as museum.

    I’d rather die than debase myself for the amusement of foreigners.

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    And yet here you are on the Internet.
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  118. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Thirdeye
    That goes hand in hand with the notion that reality itself is not an objective condition but is fluid and subjective, and with the idea that the individual is impotent, lacking agency. For a rigidly hierarchical system that subjugates individual decisions and efforts, that outlook can be a mechanism for coping with it. Funny thing is, while the imperatives of performance are leading to acceptance of objective truth in the East, postmodernism is undermining acceptance of objective truth in the West. One civilization rising, the other imploding.

    Yes, I wonder in which situation a person of the future would better expect to have basic rights protected.
    Shills on 4chan are crowing right now because the inquisition into Russian hackers delegitimizing the 2016 election has established that Sean Hannity might or might not have been a client to a lawyer that became the President’s lawyer, and (Seth Myers voice), well, this is all so embarassingggg (/smv). To Hannity. Or somebody. Because it’s against the law for lawyers to have clients.

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  119. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Stan Adams
    I'd rather die than debase myself for the amusement of foreigners.

    And yet here you are on the Internet.

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    On the Internet, I debase myself for my own amusement. If others enjoy the spectacle, good for them.

    Stan Adams is not a real person. He is but one of my online alter egos, totally unknown to my meatworld droogs.

    At various times, when recounting incidents from meatlife, I have deliberately altered small details to make it slightly harder for online stalkers to track me down. That being said, for the most part, I've represented such facts as my general age and my general whereabouts with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

    I have found that, by maintaining a veneer of secrecy online, I succeed in making myself seem more interesting than I really am. (In other words, I'm even more boring in real life than you already suspect.)

    There is no doubt in my mind that the Deep State/Silicon Valley apparatchiks are spying on me 24/7/365. They know when I'm sleeping; they know when I'm awake; they know if I've been bad or good. (Every time I flush the toilet, they do a chemical analysis of my bodily fluids to determine the condition of my pagh.)

    Eventually they will come for me. I spend my entire life with one ear cocked toward the door, waiting for the knock that will seal my doom.

    Ironically, on one site that I used to frequent, I was accused of being an FBI agent. Surely no one here would make that assumption. I can truthfully affirm that it is undeniably accurate that I do not admit to being a law-enforcement officer.

    And now, for purposes that are of interest only to our agents in the field, I close this comment with a random string of numbers: 2 4 2 9 7 9 3.

    What is the significance of those numbers? That, my friend, you shall never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn the answer to that question. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.

    Are you amused?
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  120. Twinkie says:
    @J.Ross
    I assume you're familiar with the Indian army's recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?

    I assume you’re familiar with the Indian army’s recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?

    I read the news, but do not have any specific knowledge of the issues surrounding the Indian service rifle acquisition program.

    As a general statement, I note that military acquisition is notoriously corrupt and inefficient in many, perhaps most, countries. In countries such as India, I would expect such problems to be more severe still. I can tell you from personal experience that the situation in Pakistan some years ago was almost comically bad.

    In contrast, while China is hardly immune, with something like national defense, I suspect there is much greater accountability. The incentives are strong and the disincentives against corruption and wrongdoing in the defense sector are stronger still (e.g. execution). On the other hand, as a much more authoritarian society, China’s defense spending and acquisition are quite opaque, so outsiders can’t tell what programs succeeded and what failed (though a rapid turnover is a proxy of sorts… although that could simply indicate the Chinese military leapfrogging generations).

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    The British had all sorts of issues with the SA80 rifle when they introduced it in the 1990s. The SAS wouldn't touch it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80#Service_and_modification

    "When the L85A1 and L86A1 were first sent into major combat during the Gulf War, individual performance was appalling. The L85A1 proved unreliable in semi-auto mode, and slightly better in full-auto, while the L86A1 performed the opposite. Specific complaints included: the poor quality plastic furniture fell apart and the gun was damaged easily; the magazine release catch was easily knocked accidentally and dropped the magazine; the catch on the top cover over the gas mechanism was too weak and constantly popped open, so it had to be taped down; only 26–28 rounds could be loaded in a magazine because the springs were weak, and it also had to be kept very clean and the lips checked for dents; the LSW had a small magazine capacity for its role and overheated after 120–150 rounds fired in bursts; the weapons were difficult to strip and reassemble, with the gas plug easily jamming in place and requiring an armorer to remove; and ergonomic issues related to the safety catch, cocking lever, and the location and stiffness of the fire selector switch."
     
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  121. @Anonymous
    The first settlers of cold and barren lands will always be pretty homogeneous. Founder effect. People in homogeneous societies tend to assume the whole world is that way. Most of Europe was a pretty unpleasant place to live until quite recently in history. Its people were generally left alone by the rest of the world. Obviously neither of these things are true anymore, so the old egalitarian beliefs are probably on the way out.

    I guess we have to make it unpleasant again.

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  122. @fictitious gui xing
    I've studied India at every possible level for coming on 50 years. First let me save you from trying to reinvent the wheel and point out Dumont's classic work:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Hierarchicus

    Increasingly Dumont's thesis is ignored, as we move beyond the Brahmin's self-serving claims about a hierarchical 'caste system' with them on top (even they want to be seen as a disadvantaged 'minority' earning affirmative action now) and notice that Indian tribal 'castes' are more like medieval guilds - potter's caste, merchant castes, scribe castes, leather making castes, musician castes (gypsies)...

    It's an Alice down the rabbit hole thing 3000 years in the making, among people thrown together by geography and isolation. Unless you also have such an old isolated society there's little point making comparisons. Europe is actually closer to India's 'caste system' than we Scots-Irish-Anglos are. Bavarians are more Bavarian than German. Calabrians etc etc remain linked to their roots. Spain is splitting into its medieval components. There's a huge divide between Flemish and French Belgians... Surely all that is why Merkel's United States of Europe is failing (Bavarian resistance for a start). The Soviet Union came closest until people saw it was just Russian imperialism.

    What about us Scots-Irish/Anglo-Saxons? Rootless nomads, orphans with no home, driven from place to place. Modernity largely relies on our individuation, but is there any future in that? We started out on the Scottish Borders, or driven from the Continent by the expansion of other Germanic and Nordic tribes. My 'multicultural' city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there's a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants with no english now are lawyers and policians, and some of the wealthiest people, because 'we' were complacent. Then came the Lebanese who had big families just when the Irish (the anglo-base population) discovered birth control and stopped even marrying. Now the Chinese are buying up whole districts.

    The question for me is what is the future for the Scots/Irish-Anglo-Irish? Everyone else is doing just fine! Maybe we can colonise the Moon... well at first Star Trek gave us that hope for a while (hence complacency). And we all looked to you Americans post WW2, you seemed to be the future. Now I see you yourselves have devolved into a woman-worshipping cult as Dalrock documents, not that we had no warning, see Terry Thomas's anti-american speech in Mad Mad World, whose writer William Rose had an interesting perspective.

    My ‘multicultural’ city, which seemed stable before WW2 (there’s a clue) is now effectively taken over by the Italians who I witnessed arriving postwar, poor ignorant peasants..etc,etc..

    So? Why not marry one? There are brunettes, blue-eyed blondes if that’s your thing, and redheads.
    Your children will carry your name and genes, as well as some strong (peasant, if you will) neolithic farmer alleles.

    Pro-tip: Do NOT mention the peasant thing. My mother (who married an Italian) said to my great aunt Rose that she enjoyed having her in-laws over as guests because they were so down to earth . The word peasant was mentioned somehow, and my aunt lifted an eyebrow and said quietly: Not us! We’re aristocrats!, and this was followed by a very awkward silence.

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  123. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave from Oz
    The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won't be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.

    The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won’t be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.

    Is the Peter Principle even a thing outside the US? Social stratification would solve that, but that would mean that people born into the blacksmith caste who weren’t good blacksmiths would starve-what else could they do?-and also the other castes would be codependent on the blacksmith castes such as they would have a huge power over them.

    And eventually, with no competition, the blacksmith trade would become ossified and never make any progress. In the US, there was never a shortage of blacksmiths, indeed, in some places there was an oversupply, which led to some becoming mechanics and millwrights and machinists, which made mass production possible.

    I worked in electronic plants where the old hands in the production test and warranty repair department were all former TV repair shop techs, many had owned their own shop. In the Cold War, the Navy and the other services trained huge numbers of electronic rates-ETs, FCs, electronic airedales, et al, and their equivalent MOS or AFSC in the Army or AF-and the market for TV repairmen was saturated in many places. A few started manufacturing businesses, a lot more took production jobs.

    German and North Italian journeyman tradesmen came to the US and very often started business similar to , but not the same as, what they did back home. Over there, the guilds would not have allowed it: gunmakers didn’t make sewing machines or typewriters, and there was a dispute between cabinetmakers and violinmakers as to who could build guitars.

    In a caste system, you can’t do that, and the blacksmith caste doesnt get the benefit of Brahmin IQ in solving intractable problems because no Brahmin even thinks about blacksmithing.

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    Outside of India, in much of the Middle East, blacksmiths are rather despised as a caste. They are assumed to be at least part black.

    In Northern Europe, in contrast, Smith was the most common name. Some people upgrade to Smythe, but, in general, Smith is seen as signifying sturdy respectability.

    Maybe cultures that respect smiths and millers tend to be better with metals and machinery than cultures that don't?

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  124. @Anonymous

    The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won’t be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.
     
    Is the Peter Principle even a thing outside the US? Social stratification would solve that, but that would mean that people born into the blacksmith caste who weren't good blacksmiths would starve-what else could they do?-and also the other castes would be codependent on the blacksmith castes such as they would have a huge power over them.

    And eventually, with no competition, the blacksmith trade would become ossified and never make any progress. In the US, there was never a shortage of blacksmiths, indeed, in some places there was an oversupply, which led to some becoming mechanics and millwrights and machinists, which made mass production possible.

    I worked in electronic plants where the old hands in the production test and warranty repair department were all former TV repair shop techs, many had owned their own shop. In the Cold War, the Navy and the other services trained huge numbers of electronic rates-ETs, FCs, electronic airedales, et al, and their equivalent MOS or AFSC in the Army or AF-and the market for TV repairmen was saturated in many places. A few started manufacturing businesses, a lot more took production jobs.

    German and North Italian journeyman tradesmen came to the US and very often started business similar to , but not the same as, what they did back home. Over there, the guilds would not have allowed it: gunmakers didn't make sewing machines or typewriters, and there was a dispute between cabinetmakers and violinmakers as to who could build guitars.

    In a caste system, you can't do that, and the blacksmith caste doesnt get the benefit of Brahmin IQ in solving intractable problems because no Brahmin even thinks about blacksmithing.

    Outside of India, in much of the Middle East, blacksmiths are rather despised as a caste. They are assumed to be at least part black.

    In Northern Europe, in contrast, Smith was the most common name. Some people upgrade to Smythe, but, in general, Smith is seen as signifying sturdy respectability.

    Maybe cultures that respect smiths and millers tend to be better with metals and machinery than cultures that don’t?

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    Well, black blacksmiths are despised in a number of black cultures too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werehyena .
    , @Anonymous
    Don't know about that.

    Swords from Damascus were well respected in the middle ages.

    Perhaps the linkage is with agrarianism, since the blacksmith was essential for making iron farm implements, and for shoeing horses.
    Perhaps, societies which were not dependent on agriculture to exist - those who depended on pillage and tribute - didn't respect blacksmiths so much. Perhaps they respected swordsmiths and armorers more.
    , @Anonymous
    Indian metallurgy in the pre-British era was very advanced. I don't know what the social status of blacksmiths was, but I'm sure it wasn't too high. Still, there are iron pillars from 1500 years ago that are still standing unrusted.

    This wiki page has plenty of good info
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_metallurgy_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
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  125. Silva says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Outside of India, in much of the Middle East, blacksmiths are rather despised as a caste. They are assumed to be at least part black.

    In Northern Europe, in contrast, Smith was the most common name. Some people upgrade to Smythe, but, in general, Smith is seen as signifying sturdy respectability.

    Maybe cultures that respect smiths and millers tend to be better with metals and machinery than cultures that don't?

    Well, black blacksmiths are despised in a number of black cultures too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werehyena .

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  126. Singh says:
    @DB Cooper
    Another way to trigger them is to tell them India or any form of a single polity that spans the subcontinent has never existed until the British came can created one. You will then get an earful of this or that empire blah blah blah which is pseudo history and nonsense.

    Mauryan Empire.

    Also when vast majority of population is & has been along Indo Gangetic Plain, who cares?

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    Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire, too.
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  127. @J.Ross
    And yet here you are on the Internet.

    On the Internet, I debase myself for my own amusement. If others enjoy the spectacle, good for them.

    Stan Adams is not a real person. He is but one of my online alter egos, totally unknown to my meatworld droogs.

    At various times, when recounting incidents from meatlife, I have deliberately altered small details to make it slightly harder for online stalkers to track me down. That being said, for the most part, I’ve represented such facts as my general age and my general whereabouts with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

    I have found that, by maintaining a veneer of secrecy online, I succeed in making myself seem more interesting than I really am. (In other words, I’m even more boring in real life than you already suspect.)

    There is no doubt in my mind that the Deep State/Silicon Valley apparatchiks are spying on me 24/7/365. They know when I’m sleeping; they know when I’m awake; they know if I’ve been bad or good. (Every time I flush the toilet, they do a chemical analysis of my bodily fluids to determine the condition of my pagh.)

    Eventually they will come for me. I spend my entire life with one ear cocked toward the door, waiting for the knock that will seal my doom.

    Ironically, on one site that I used to frequent, I was accused of being an FBI agent. Surely no one here would make that assumption. I can truthfully affirm that it is undeniably accurate that I do not admit to being a law-enforcement officer.

    And now, for purposes that are of interest only to our agents in the field, I close this comment with a random string of numbers: 2 4 2 9 7 9 3.

    What is the significance of those numbers? That, my friend, you shall never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn the answer to that question. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.

    Are you amused?

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    >it doesn't count if it's my online persona
    Yappari ne, oniisan!
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  128. Silva says:
    @Singh
    Mauryan Empire.

    Also when vast majority of population is & has been along Indo Gangetic Plain, who cares?

    Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire, too.

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  129. @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    And East Europeans are triggered by the Hajnal Line. It’s like the B/W gap for Blacks.

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  130. @Twinkie
    I should add that some Russian commenters seemed to be triggered easily by the “a gas station with nuclear weapons” types of remarks about Russia.

    Not so much triggered as annoyed by people being incorrect. I don’t mind criticisms/insults of Russia that are accurate.

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    I'd never heard of the Hajnal Line until a couple of years ago when I read HBDChick, but it's very interesting. If it doesn't explain the differences between the North and the South of both Italy and Spain, it certainly makes you think.
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  131. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes, but who got the farm when the parents died? Rhodesians had small families because, for one thing, they'd have to subdivide the farm or practice primogeniture, which weren't the done thing.

    The real tragedy of history with regard to Rhodesia is that it wasn't filled up with Mormons.
    If they had gotten there, the Mormons, in the days of plural marriage, would have made Deseret on the Zambezi magnificent.

    I wonder if Ulstermen and Rhodesians weren’t too worried about the shifting demographics because they thought the Brits would come to their aid if things got too difficult. (The Boers wouldn’t have had this delusion.)

    The attitude among both tribes seems to have been that, since they had helped the Brits against their enemies (Germans), now the Brits had a duty to help them against theirs (Black/Irish nationalists.) Clearly that wasn’t how the situation was seen in London.

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  132. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    Kind of like how whites are still proud of themselves in spite of not being as clever as the Ashkenazim.
     
    Whites can point to one or two real world achievements that the Ashkenazi supermen have somehow overlooked.

    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.

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    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.
     
    What meaning do you derive from this statement? Are you an insecure Jew validating your own self-worth by deprecating the intelligence of the goyim? A masochistic goy seeking refuge in the shadows of your towering masters? An astute observer of human affairs? An orgulous troll?

    The Jews may be smarter than us, but are they wiser? Are they happier? If not, then what good is all of that status, power, and wealth?

    The ultimate question is, "To what end do we exist?" Have the Jews come up with better answers to that question than we have?

    Are there worthier pursuits than rent-seeking, status-signaling, and ego-masturbation? If so, are the Jews any more adept at figuring out what they are than we are?

    Is life just one big pissing match?

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  133. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @blank-misgivings
    I'd be wary of mysticizing the caste system as representing some 'way of thought' different from the European. I know many commentators on here love that epochal, ideational stuff, but Occam's razor suggests the caste system is a social technology like any other. It comes about when Kings can't impose stable rule. Jatis (castes) then do the organizational work needed in an agrarian society (division of labor, etc) where Kings were unable.

    The interesting theory about India is that Kings were unable to impose strong central rule because India was just too flat - kingdoms were constantly churning over because rivals could invade neighboring kingdoms too easily (lack of mountain ranges to act as natural borders), and since kings were unable to establish firm sovereignty, cross-kingdom caste forms stepped into the vacuum. People may quibble with the geographic explanation but I think the general idea holds up.

    That’s a moronic explanation fit for Jared diamond. If flatness was the issue then there should have been no strong states in Russia or China or the middle East.

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  134. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave from Oz
    The advantage of social stratification is that it limits the effect of the Peter Principle. If someone from the blacksmith caste is a damn fine blacksmith, he won't be promoted to management where he will suck at the job. Thus if you need a damn fine blacksmith, there will be one to be found.

    This was one of the traditional strengths of the German army. It had very high quality NCOs because men of uncommon ability were not automatically promoted to the officer corps and so taken away from the front line, where their abilities were arguably more needed.

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  135. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper
    That's not true. Gandhi never tried to reform Caste. He embraced it like any good Hindu. The guy that tried to reform it is the untouchable B. R. Ambedkar. He was the one that fought against Gandhi on the Caste system.

    To be a good Hindu is to know your place. And Gandhi certainly knew his place. This is the reason why Gandhi deferred the prime minster ship to Nehru because Gandhi wasn't a Brahmin, Nehru was.

    You’re automatically wrong because Brahmins are not supposed to be on top politically. That’s a job for kshatriyas according to every Hindu text. Brahmins are supposed to confine themselves to education and priestly stuff, and stay poor.

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    But Nehru was a Brahmin.
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  136. Anonymous[817] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Outside of India, in much of the Middle East, blacksmiths are rather despised as a caste. They are assumed to be at least part black.

    In Northern Europe, in contrast, Smith was the most common name. Some people upgrade to Smythe, but, in general, Smith is seen as signifying sturdy respectability.

    Maybe cultures that respect smiths and millers tend to be better with metals and machinery than cultures that don't?

    Don’t know about that.

    Swords from Damascus were well respected in the middle ages.

    Perhaps the linkage is with agrarianism, since the blacksmith was essential for making iron farm implements, and for shoeing horses.
    Perhaps, societies which were not dependent on agriculture to exist – those who depended on pillage and tribute – didn’t respect blacksmiths so much. Perhaps they respected swordsmiths and armorers more.

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    Damascus steel is actually an Indic/Central Asian steel folding technique (now lost) that left a spiral pattern.
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  137. @Anonym
    “The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems.” -Marx in letter to Engels

    And it showed, even in his treatment of knotty problems. Marx did not seem to appreciate that a characteristic of the business owner was that generally the more successful ones took their profit and invested everything back into the business rather than living the high life. This generally makes their goods or services better over time to a point (though scammy exceptions exist).

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.

    So the idea that "surplus value is theft" is ignorant of the value to society created by the typical growing business. Deficit value (loss) is waste, and a greater evil than surplus value (profit). Taking raw materials and producing goods of less value than they started with is wasteful. A society of squanderers is hopeless, SSA like.

    Anonym is a thinker who’s gotten
    To the root of why Marxism’s rotten.
    An example of waste
    To my hard money taste:
    Printing dollars on what was good cotton.

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  138. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aidan Kehoe
    Northern Ireland is an amazing local example of a failure of will to have children. The Protestants are the Scots-Irish of US genealogy, not people who are shy about having children, in a situation where they despised the Catholics from the foundation of that state, and it was clear that the Catholics were outbreeding them.

    And yet the population trajectory looks like this. That is, in a situation where there was a clear threat to their dominance of the culture and institutions, there was no willingness of individual Protestant couples to have the four or five children that would have been necessary to dominate their statelet. And now Protestants are a minority west of the Bann, half the territory of the place. Comparing the oldest cohort to the youngest, the clear Protestant majority of the time of Partition is now 48% Catholic, 37% Protestant If they had reproduced like their cousins in the US South, that wouldn't have happened.

    Writing as a 37 year old man with a good job and no children, not particularly by choice!

    Terence O’Neill, Northern Ireland Prime Minister, in 1969:

    It is frightfully hard to explain to Protestants that if you give Roman Catholics a good job and a good house, they will live like Protestants because they will see neighbours with cars and television sets; they will refuse to have eighteen children. But if a Roman Catholic is jobless, and lives in the most ghastly hovel, he will rear eighteen children on National Assistance. If you treat Roman Catholics with due consideration and kindness, they will live like Protestants in spite of the authoritative nature of their Church.

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  139. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Where do Chinese students fit into this scenario?
     
    Paying full tuition which is all the Educational Complex cares about. Derb said recently that there are 300k+ foreign students in the US.

    It amazes me that Germany also has over 300K international students attending their universities, all on the public dime.

    http://dref.de/en/research/student-numbers-in-germany/

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    Someone's being ripped off.

    Big time.
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  140. peterike says:

    Speaking of Asians, here is a good article on the Chinese invasion of Italy. Since it’s The New Yorker, there are the usual paeans to neo-liberal globalism and the occasional shudder at “nativist” thinking. But the reporting it good, and it’s an excellent example of the parasitical termite culture of the Chinese, and yet another instance of Peterike’s Law.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany

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    Yes, yes, laziness is your birthright. Continue screaming into the void.

    As you fail.

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  141. Anonymous[817] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    It amazes me that Germany also has over 300K international students attending their universities, all on the public dime.

    http://dref.de/en/research/student-numbers-in-germany/

    Someone’s being ripped off.

    Big time.

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  142. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    Speaking of Asians, here is a good article on the Chinese invasion of Italy. Since it's The New Yorker, there are the usual paeans to neo-liberal globalism and the occasional shudder at "nativist" thinking. But the reporting it good, and it's an excellent example of the parasitical termite culture of the Chinese, and yet another instance of Peterike's Law.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany

    Yes, yes, laziness is your birthright. Continue screaming into the void.

    As you fail.

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    Yes, yes, laziness is your birthright. Continue screaming into the void.

    As you fail.
     
    Only pure-strain bugmen think that not basing your culture around conscripting your entire family into slavery is “laziness.”
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  143. Ian M. says:

    “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains,”

    I like Joseph de Maistre’s response to this:

    How strange it is that sheep, who were born carnivorous, should nevertheless everywhere be nibbling grass.

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  144. bartok says:
    @DB Cooper
    Talking about Indian's superpower fetish most people in the world don't know but there is this disgusting thing called 'Akhand Bharat'. If people don't know what is Akhand Bharat here is a Hindu explaining what is Akhand Bharat.

    https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/dream-of-greater-india-forget-akhand-bharat-or-hindu-rashtra-bharat-mahasangh-of-like-minded-nations-is-a-more-feasible-goal/

    Thanks to this Akhand Bharat mindset today Bhutan is defacto semi-occupied by India even though nominally it is a fully sovereign independent country and a member state of the United Nation.

    Thanks to this Akhand Bharat mindset today Bhutan is defacto semi-occupied by India even though nominally it is a fully sovereign independent country and a member state of the United Nation.

    If Bhutan didn’t want Indian control, maybe they should have gone the Taiwan route, becoming a US client. There’s no such thing as sovereign independence for non-nuclear countries, Washington wouldn’t allow it.

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  145. @Anonymous
    It all depends on who is at the top - or bottom - of the pecking order.

    Let's just say that in the UK, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims - all sworn enemies, put aside their differences under the 'Asian' label in order to lobby against the white man.
    Similarly do Sri Lankans, Dravidians, Pakistanis and north Indians.

    Curiously, several Dalits who have emigrated to the UK - yes, they too have come - have used the UK's drastic 'anti discrimination laws' to prosecute higher caste Indians whom they allege to have discriminated against them in the workplace.
    Apparently, the Dalits thought that they could 'pass' as generic brown skinned Indians in the UK, but 'caste will out' and the higher castes soon discovered them - Indians know a myriad of subtle clues and differences completely lost to whites - and started to 'pull rank' and woorse.

    Yes, the left’s structures meant to punish white men often backfire the worst on women and other colors.

    When I worked for the state of CA, we had only one firing for sexual harassment: a woman. A friend currently works for the state (FTB) and oversees all the harassment complaints. Guess which group is the worst? That’s right, women. Turns out females don’t mind a comment from a man so much, but when some weird lesbian says something… well, time to file a complaint.

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  146. @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think I have ever had a single ideologically anti-HBD Indian on my blog.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or - God forbid - Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China …

    Ah, c’mon, Hindi Chini bhai bhai.

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  147. @Twinkie

    I assume you’re familiar with the Indian army’s recent difficuties in developing a rifle. Is it your opinion that the contemporary Chinese equivalents would experience comparable trouble, and what is the extent to which democracy is to blame?
     
    I read the news, but do not have any specific knowledge of the issues surrounding the Indian service rifle acquisition program.

    As a general statement, I note that military acquisition is notoriously corrupt and inefficient in many, perhaps most, countries. In countries such as India, I would expect such problems to be more severe still. I can tell you from personal experience that the situation in Pakistan some years ago was almost comically bad.

    In contrast, while China is hardly immune, with something like national defense, I suspect there is much greater accountability. The incentives are strong and the disincentives against corruption and wrongdoing in the defense sector are stronger still (e.g. execution). On the other hand, as a much more authoritarian society, China's defense spending and acquisition are quite opaque, so outsiders can't tell what programs succeeded and what failed (though a rapid turnover is a proxy of sorts... although that could simply indicate the Chinese military leapfrogging generations).

    The British had all sorts of issues with the SA80 rifle when they introduced it in the 1990s. The SAS wouldn’t touch it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80#Service_and_modification

    “When the L85A1 and L86A1 were first sent into major combat during the Gulf War, individual performance was appalling. The L85A1 proved unreliable in semi-auto mode, and slightly better in full-auto, while the L86A1 performed the opposite. Specific complaints included: the poor quality plastic furniture fell apart and the gun was damaged easily; the magazine release catch was easily knocked accidentally and dropped the magazine; the catch on the top cover over the gas mechanism was too weak and constantly popped open, so it had to be taped down; only 26–28 rounds could be loaded in a magazine because the springs were weak, and it also had to be kept very clean and the lips checked for dents; the LSW had a small magazine capacity for its role and overheated after 120–150 rounds fired in bursts; the weapons were difficult to strip and reassemble, with the gas plug easily jamming in place and requiring an armorer to remove; and ergonomic issues related to the safety catch, cocking lever, and the location and stiffness of the fire selector switch.”

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  148. @Anatoly Karlin
    Not so much triggered as annoyed by people being incorrect. I don't mind criticisms/insults of Russia that are accurate.

    I’d never heard of the Hajnal Line until a couple of years ago when I read HBDChick, but it’s very interesting. If it doesn’t explain the differences between the North and the South of both Italy and Spain, it certainly makes you think.

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  149. Anon[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Most reliable way to trigger them is if someone suggests that India is doing poorly relative to China, or – God forbid – Pakistan, or that India is not becoming a superpower, etc.
     
    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

    For example, Koreans are easily triggered by telling them they are inferior to the Japanese and Japanese by telling them that their women dig Korean men. Blacks are easily triggered by the idea that they are impulsive, violent, and low IQ. There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians. Several Jews here are triggered by being told that they are clannish, greedy, hostile to the majority, etc. Asians (including I) leap to the defense when the word “cheating” is uttered and so forth.

    There is a subset of whites here who are likewise reliably triggered by the idea that some white women like nonwhites or that they have lower average IQ than East Asians.

    There’s an obvious distinction between an idea and a reality, and the continual conflation of the two is understandably irritating.

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  150. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes, yes, laziness is your birthright. Continue screaming into the void.

    As you fail.

    Yes, yes, laziness is your birthright. Continue screaming into the void.

    As you fail.

    Only pure-strain bugmen think that not basing your culture around conscripting your entire family into slavery is “laziness.”

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  151. DB Cooper says:
    @Anonymous
    You're automatically wrong because Brahmins are not supposed to be on top politically. That's a job for kshatriyas according to every Hindu text. Brahmins are supposed to confine themselves to education and priestly stuff, and stay poor.

    But Nehru was a Brahmin.

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    Yeah and Hindu nationalists hate Nehru. They love Modi, who is from one of the lowest castes. And they just elected as President of India an Untouchable.

    So it's dumb to suggest Gandhi deferred to Nehru because he was Brahmin. He probably got the job because he was the most Anglophile of the Indian leaders of that time. There must have been some wheeling-dealing behind the scenes from Britain.
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  152. DB Cooper says:
    @Thomm

    I’ve never met a single Indian who agrees that India will likely not exceed China due to lower IQ.
     
    Hey, that is a great way for me to prove to the 70-IQ WN wiggers here that I am not an Indian.

    India is behind China, period. This is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992, now the gap is way too large for India to catch up.

    There. I am obviously not an Indian.

    These White Trashionalists can't get past the fact that successful whites (like me) just hate the defective subrace of whites that WNs (the males) and fat bluehaired feminists (the females) comprise of.

    Sorry but this line “While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992,….” just give away that you are an Indian.

    Very few white people would care or know this fact while a lot of Indians are cognizant of it.

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    False. Anyone of minimal competence (i.e. above you) can look this up in two seconds.

    Go to Google, and Google for 'India-China GDP chart'.

    I must say, you remain the only stupid Chinese person I have ever encountered.
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  153. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anonym
    “The simplest technical reality, where intuition is needed, is harder for me than the knottiest problems.” -Marx in letter to Engels

    And it showed, even in his treatment of knotty problems. Marx did not seem to appreciate that a characteristic of the business owner was that generally the more successful ones took their profit and invested everything back into the business rather than living the high life. This generally makes their goods or services better over time to a point (though scammy exceptions exist).

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.

    So the idea that "surplus value is theft" is ignorant of the value to society created by the typical growing business. Deficit value (loss) is waste, and a greater evil than surplus value (profit). Taking raw materials and producing goods of less value than they started with is wasteful. A society of squanderers is hopeless, SSA like.

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.

    Minor quibble – kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the “petty bourgeois” class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    The most famous kulak in history was not Russian but Chinese. Mao Tse-Tung was the scion of a solid “medium farming” (中農) family in landlocked Hunan Province, China.

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    The origin of the term is what you see in the grain-lending scene in The Devil and Daniel Webster. The more successful peasants would inevitably be asked to help/loan money or feed to the less successful ones. When payment came due, or if nothing was lent, the image of a "fist" (kulak) as in "tight-fisted" was popularized; it was adapted to mean something like oppositional defiant disorder (shaking your fist at the inevitable) in the revolutionary context.
    , @Anonym
    Minor quibble – kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the “petty bourgeois” class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    I know this... hence why I said what I did. They are farmers who have built up some capital. They built up capital by producing more of value than the costs, and rather than blowing it they saved and put it back into their farms.

    So when Communists come along, kill these kulaks or put them in the gulag, the new people now running the farm now do not necessarily have the mindset and ability to make it work as well as the original owner.

    Interesting tidbit about Mao.
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  154. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Stan Adams
    On the Internet, I debase myself for my own amusement. If others enjoy the spectacle, good for them.

    Stan Adams is not a real person. He is but one of my online alter egos, totally unknown to my meatworld droogs.

    At various times, when recounting incidents from meatlife, I have deliberately altered small details to make it slightly harder for online stalkers to track me down. That being said, for the most part, I've represented such facts as my general age and my general whereabouts with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

    I have found that, by maintaining a veneer of secrecy online, I succeed in making myself seem more interesting than I really am. (In other words, I'm even more boring in real life than you already suspect.)

    There is no doubt in my mind that the Deep State/Silicon Valley apparatchiks are spying on me 24/7/365. They know when I'm sleeping; they know when I'm awake; they know if I've been bad or good. (Every time I flush the toilet, they do a chemical analysis of my bodily fluids to determine the condition of my pagh.)

    Eventually they will come for me. I spend my entire life with one ear cocked toward the door, waiting for the knock that will seal my doom.

    Ironically, on one site that I used to frequent, I was accused of being an FBI agent. Surely no one here would make that assumption. I can truthfully affirm that it is undeniably accurate that I do not admit to being a law-enforcement officer.

    And now, for purposes that are of interest only to our agents in the field, I close this comment with a random string of numbers: 2 4 2 9 7 9 3.

    What is the significance of those numbers? That, my friend, you shall never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn the answer to that question. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.

    Are you amused?

    >it doesn’t count if it’s my online persona
    Yappari ne, oniisan!

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    http://i.imgur.com/yzqzYDj.png
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  155. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Eagle Eye

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.
     
    Minor quibble - kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the "petty bourgeois" class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    The most famous kulak in history was not Russian but Chinese. Mao Tse-Tung was the scion of a solid "medium farming" (中農) family in landlocked Hunan Province, China.

    The origin of the term is what you see in the grain-lending scene in The Devil and Daniel Webster. The more successful peasants would inevitably be asked to help/loan money or feed to the less successful ones. When payment came due, or if nothing was lent, the image of a “fist” (kulak) as in “tight-fisted” was popularized; it was adapted to mean something like oppositional defiant disorder (shaking your fist at the inevitable) in the revolutionary context.

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  156. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Don't know about that.

    Swords from Damascus were well respected in the middle ages.

    Perhaps the linkage is with agrarianism, since the blacksmith was essential for making iron farm implements, and for shoeing horses.
    Perhaps, societies which were not dependent on agriculture to exist - those who depended on pillage and tribute - didn't respect blacksmiths so much. Perhaps they respected swordsmiths and armorers more.

    Damascus steel is actually an Indic/Central Asian steel folding technique (now lost) that left a spiral pattern.

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  157. @J.Ross
    >it doesn't count if it's my online persona
    Yappari ne, oniisan!

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  158. @Anonymous
    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.

    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.

    What meaning do you derive from this statement? Are you an insecure Jew validating your own self-worth by deprecating the intelligence of the goyim? A masochistic goy seeking refuge in the shadows of your towering masters? An astute observer of human affairs? An orgulous troll?

    The Jews may be smarter than us, but are they wiser? Are they happier? If not, then what good is all of that status, power, and wealth?

    The ultimate question is, “To what end do we exist?” Have the Jews come up with better answers to that question than we have?

    Are there worthier pursuits than rent-seeking, status-signaling, and ego-masturbation? If so, are the Jews any more adept at figuring out what they are than we are?

    Is life just one big pissing match?

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    What vacuous garbage. You sound like one of those airhead chicks who couldn't make it into an elite college and soothe themselves by saying they have high EQ.

    And among your choices, I'm the astute observer (at least I hope I am). I'm not Jewish.

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  159. Anonym says:
    @Eagle Eye

    The tendency of the working class to blow all the results of the efforts of labor rather than save and build is problematic if one is to murder the kulaks and take their stuff.
     
    Minor quibble - kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the "petty bourgeois" class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    The most famous kulak in history was not Russian but Chinese. Mao Tse-Tung was the scion of a solid "medium farming" (中農) family in landlocked Hunan Province, China.

    Minor quibble – kulaks are precisely farmers who have built up some capital, not impecunious peasants. In other words, they were the Russian equivalent of the “petty bourgeois” class that all self-respecting Marxists claim to despise (often because they grew up in the bosom of the petty bourgeoisie themselves).

    I know this… hence why I said what I did. They are farmers who have built up some capital. They built up capital by producing more of value than the costs, and rather than blowing it they saved and put it back into their farms.

    So when Communists come along, kill these kulaks or put them in the gulag, the new people now running the farm now do not necessarily have the mindset and ability to make it work as well as the original owner.

    Interesting tidbit about Mao.

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  160. Thomm says:
    @DB Cooper
    Sorry but this line "While China was economically behind India as recently as 1992,...." just give away that you are an Indian.

    Very few white people would care or know this fact while a lot of Indians are cognizant of it.

    False. Anyone of minimal competence (i.e. above you) can look this up in two seconds.

    Go to Google, and Google for ‘India-China GDP chart’.

    I must say, you remain the only stupid Chinese person I have ever encountered.

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  161. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper
    But Nehru was a Brahmin.

    Yeah and Hindu nationalists hate Nehru. They love Modi, who is from one of the lowest castes. And they just elected as President of India an Untouchable.

    So it’s dumb to suggest Gandhi deferred to Nehru because he was Brahmin. He probably got the job because he was the most Anglophile of the Indian leaders of that time. There must have been some wheeling-dealing behind the scenes from Britain.

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  162. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper
    Another way to trigger them is to tell them India or any form of a single polity that spans the subcontinent has never existed until the British came can created one. You will then get an earful of this or that empire blah blah blah which is pseudo history and nonsense.

    You’re factually wrong because the Maurya and Mughal empires both had boundaries that matched the borders of British India. Read a book sometime.

    But even if you were right, Europe has never been under a single polity either. That doesn’t stop white nationalists from being concerned about “muh Europa being flooded by darkies”, does it?

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  163. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Outside of India, in much of the Middle East, blacksmiths are rather despised as a caste. They are assumed to be at least part black.

    In Northern Europe, in contrast, Smith was the most common name. Some people upgrade to Smythe, but, in general, Smith is seen as signifying sturdy respectability.

    Maybe cultures that respect smiths and millers tend to be better with metals and machinery than cultures that don't?

    Indian metallurgy in the pre-British era was very advanced. I don’t know what the social status of blacksmiths was, but I’m sure it wasn’t too high. Still, there are iron pillars from 1500 years ago that are still standing unrusted.

    This wiki page has plenty of good info

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_metallurgy_in_the_Indian_subcontinent

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  164. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams

    Maybe, but on an individual level, ability and output per person, Ashkenazim rule all.
     
    What meaning do you derive from this statement? Are you an insecure Jew validating your own self-worth by deprecating the intelligence of the goyim? A masochistic goy seeking refuge in the shadows of your towering masters? An astute observer of human affairs? An orgulous troll?

    The Jews may be smarter than us, but are they wiser? Are they happier? If not, then what good is all of that status, power, and wealth?

    The ultimate question is, "To what end do we exist?" Have the Jews come up with better answers to that question than we have?

    Are there worthier pursuits than rent-seeking, status-signaling, and ego-masturbation? If so, are the Jews any more adept at figuring out what they are than we are?

    Is life just one big pissing match?

    What vacuous garbage. You sound like one of those airhead chicks who couldn’t make it into an elite college and soothe themselves by saying they have high EQ.

    And among your choices, I’m the astute observer (at least I hope I am). I’m not Jewish.

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    You sound like one of those airhead chicks who couldn’t make it into an elite college and soothe themselves by saying they have high EQ.
     
    So are you trying to pick me up, or what? Is this your brilliant solution to my little s*** test? Are you going to show me how a real man treats a woman?

    "Listen, bitch, don't give me any of that IQ-isn't-everything bullshit. Now shut the f*** up and make me a sandwich. And not too much mayo, unless you want another black eye."

    P.S. I'm a guy.
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  165. @Anonymous
    What vacuous garbage. You sound like one of those airhead chicks who couldn't make it into an elite college and soothe themselves by saying they have high EQ.

    And among your choices, I'm the astute observer (at least I hope I am). I'm not Jewish.

    You sound like one of those airhead chicks who couldn’t make it into an elite college and soothe themselves by saying they have high EQ.

    So are you trying to pick me up, or what? Is this your brilliant solution to my little s*** test? Are you going to show me how a real man treats a woman?

    “Listen, bitch, don’t give me any of that IQ-isn’t-everything bullshit. Now shut the f*** up and make me a sandwich. And not too much mayo, unless you want another black eye.”

    P.S. I’m a guy.

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  166. Twinkie says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    That’s understandable though. Just about every group is triggered by something, usually because there is some basis in truth, however little, for those critiques.

     

    Trigger the bastards and keep them frazzled. White Core Americans have to stop walking on eggshells politically. White Core Americans have to push for their interests, regardless of whether or not it triggers some twats.

    Roy Rogers Says TRIGGER Them Bastards:

    https://twitter.com/COM1CBOOKS/status/932930311708700672

    I personally run Geissele triggers in all my ARs.

    https://geissele.com

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