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Commenter Antonymous looks up who perpetrated the last 25 mass shootings/bombings according to the Los Angeles Times list of “Deadliest U.S. Mass Shootings:”

Kamikaze killers are aptly named, in that they are largely committed by foreign or non-traditional Americans.

In the last ten years, there have been 16 mass shootings/bombings by non-whites, primarily immigrants and/or muslims — most of which targeted whites. There were 9 mass shooting by whites, only two of which were racially motivated. Contrary to the current narrative, whites are significantly overrepresented as *victims* and underrepresented as perpetrators.

Non-white perpetrators of mass shootings since 2007:

(1) Roseburg OR — Biracial black-identified man (targeted white Christians, specifically asking their religion before killing)
(2) Fort Hood TX (2009) — Palestinian Muslim
(3) Fort Hood TX (2014) — Hispanic man
(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Moroccan [Malaysian-English] man (targeted white college women, angry over rejection) [but also stabbed to death a bunch of his Asian roommates, but nobody remembers those poor bastards]
(5) Virginia Tech VA — Korean immigrant
(6) Washington DC (naval yard) — Black man
(7) Binghamton NY — Vietnamese immigrant
(8) San Bernardino CA — Pakistani and Yemeni Muslim immigrants, Al Quaeda / ISIS affiliated
(9) Orlando FL — Afghan Muslim, ISIS affiliated
(10) Boston MA — Caucasus Muslim immigrants
(11) Chattanooga TN — Palestinian-Jordanian Muslim immigrant, ISIS affiliated
(12) Santa Monica CA — Lebanese Muslim(?) [first name John, so more likely a Christian Arab]
(13) Brookfield WI — Jamaican immigrant
(14) Oakland CA — Korean immigrant
(15) Manchester CT — Black man [targeting white coworkers]
(16) Salt Lake UT — Bosnian Muslim immigrant

vs. white perpetrators:

(1) Aurora CO theatre
(2) Sandy Hook elementary
(3) Colorado Springs clinic
(4) Seal Beach CA salon
(5) Tucson AZ political rally
(6) DeKalb IL university
(7) Omaha NE mall
(8) Oak Creek WI sikh temple [targeting perceived muslims]
(9) Charleston SC church shooting [targeting blacks]

Source: http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

As usual the political narrative of a big white bogey man is backward.

If you started with a different date, the proportions would be a little different, but 25 is a good round number. Another publication might include more or fewer mass slaughters. And a few of the categorizations might be arguable. I invite corrections in the comments.

But still, I hadn’t been aware that only 36% of mass shooters were regular American white guys, and I’m reasonably well-informed.

Of course, everybody, I believe, except Mrs. Farook in San Bernardino was a man.

 
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  2. Which mass shootings are by women? There are only a few that come to mind other than San Bernadino.

    1. Brenda Spencer (“I don’t like Mondays”) 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    2. Laurie Dann 1988

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

    3. Amy Bishop 2010

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting

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    • Replies: @unit472
    Women, perhaps because they are smaller, also differ in their methods and motives when they kill. I recall two female serial killers in California who targeted elderly or homeless men for their social security and disability checks. They used poison or , in one instance, drove over a wino they had left passed out in an alley. That method was also used, more than once, by berserk women who plowed into pedestrians on sidewalks.
    , @celt darnell
    Do you ever get the feeling that when women want revenge (justified or not) they go for quality rather than quantity?

    Kipling may have been onto something with his "the female of the species is deadlier than the male..."
    , @Triumph104
    Mary Ann Holder 2011

    http://murderpedia.org/female.H/h/holder-mary-ann.htm
    , @Olorin
    There was Sylvia Seegrist's rampage in Pennsylvania in 1985. She killed 3, wounded 7.

    That's one I narrowly escaped and still get neck-tingles remembering how.
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  3. wren says:

    Scott Adams wrote an interesting blog post today:

    On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

    On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

    If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

    That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

    See the rest here:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

    Also, yes he may be juicing. He has the body of a buffed 18 year old.

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    • Replies: @jon
    Also, yes he may be juicing.

    When you are too old to be using it to cheat at sports, the polite phrase is testosterone replacement therapy.
    , @tbraton
    I found this observation by Scott Adams in the same blog to be very interesting (I was previously aware that he had endorsed Hillary Clinton "for safety's sake," but I am not aware whether he had amplified on that):

    "*I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile."

    As soon as I read that, I was wondering whether Steve Sailer, who lives in California, will be doing the same. I was aware of the George Soros-funded violence by Mexican thugs at Trump rallies, but I didn't think such violence was to be feared simply by supporting Trump without attending his rallies.
    , @AndrewR
    Why does he identify as a Democrat at all? He lacks the necessary delusions and hatreds. A rich, white, muscular, non-PC, honest, race realist(ish) male Democrat? I just don't get it...
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  4. Jefferson says:

    “Die-versity: 64% of Last 25 Mass Shooters Were Ethnically Diverse”

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/21/van-jones-leaves-cnn-panel-speechless-after-suggesting-that-white-men-be-racially-profiled/

    Van Jones should move to peaceful Sub Saharan Africa to get away from all of the violent White men.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Just imagine replacing wherever he said "white" with "Jewish" or "Mormon" or even "veterans".

    I imagine it would be beneficial to have the Coalition of the Fringe specifically targeting someone other than "white men". (They mean White Conservative Christian Males WCMs, but that takes to long to write out)

    It also wouldn't take long for a CultMarx professor to explain why Black African violence is the fault of YT.
    , @AndrewR
    “You are seven times more likely to be killed by a right wing extremist — a racist or an anti-government nut job — seven times more likely than a Muslim.”

    Even if this were true, which it obviously is not, given the tiny percentage of Muslims compared to the overall population, this would still be an extraordinary indictment of Muslims.

    Idiocracy is here and one of the strongest pieces of evidence is the rampant innumeracy among our so-called intellectual and pundit class.
    , @Dr. X

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.
     
    Van Jones is a self-described "revolutionary communist" -- and he was hired to work on Barack Obama's White House staff in Obama's first term in 2008.
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  5. Jefferson says:

    “(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Moroccan [Malaysian-English] man (targeted white college women, angry over rejection) [but also stabbed to death a bunch of his Asian roommates, but nobody remembers those poor bastards]”

    The mainstream called him White and said he came from White privilege because he has a rich daddy.

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    “(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Moroccan [Malaysian-English] man (targeted white college women, angry over rejection) [but also stabbed to death a bunch of his Asian roommates, but nobody remembers those poor bastards]”
     
    The word "amok" as in "running amok" is itself of Malay origin, and used to refer to a individual-level psychopathology peculiar to that culture.

    Fortunately, we have Wikipedia and it has a lot more interesting detail.


    Although commonly used in a colloquial and less-violent sense, the phrase is particularly associated with a specific sociopathic culture-bound syndrome in Malaysian culture. In a typical case of running amok, an individual (often male), having shown no previous sign of anger or any inclination to violence, will acquire a weapon (traditionally a sword or dagger, but presently any of a variety of weapons) and in a sudden frenzy, will attempt to kill or seriously injure anyone he encounters and himself. Amok typically takes place in a well populated or crowded area. Amok episodes of this kind normally end with the attacker being killed by bystanders or committing suicide, eliciting theories that amok may be a form of intentional suicide in cultures where suicide is heavily stigmatized.Those who do not commit suicide and are not killed typically lose consciousness, and upon regaining consciousness, claim amnesia.

    An early Western description of the practice appears in the journals of Captain James Cook, a British explorer, who encountered amok firsthand in 1770 during a voyage around the world. Cook writes of individuals behaving in a reckless, violent manner, without cause and "indiscriminately killing and maiming villagers and animals in a frenzied attack."

    A widely accepted explanation links amok with male honor (amok by women is virtually unknown). Running amok would thus be both a way of escaping the world (since perpetrators were normally killed) and re-establishing one's reputation as a man to be feared and respected. Some observershave related this explanation to Islam's ban on suicide, which, it is suggested, drove Malay/Indonesian men to create circumstances in which others would kill them.
     

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  6. indigene says:

    can someone calculate the proportions by numbers of victims, or at least put numbers next to each event?

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  7. dearieme says:

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serving_British_MPs_who_were_assassinated
    , @Inquiring Mind

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.
     
    Funded by Roman Catholic Americans? The funding didn't come from Muslims . . . or Presbyterians?
    , @syonredux

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.
     
    IRA killings, I presume?

    The Irish are a troublesome race. I have a certain measure of sympathy for the Know-Nothings who wanted to keep them out.At the very least, that would have meant no Kennedy Family mucking things up.
    , @Bill Jones
    "Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War,"

    Which "War"?

    The one against Iraq? Libya? Syria? Yemen?

    , @Brutusale
    A lot of idiots in the Southie bars bought the NORAID bullshit that the money was being used to support the families of the "political prisoners" like the late, unlamented Bobby Sands.
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  8. Mea Culpa says:

    I’m not so sure about “Mrs. Farook,” Steve. Did you get a close look at those “delicate” features? Ishe missed her calling. Looks like “beer swilling, Harley riding tough guy” straight from central casting to my eyes.

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  9. I wish you wouldn’t use “kamikaze killer”. It might have different connotations for people over, say, 60, but (as mentioned on previous threads) younger people might very well associate kamikaze with things noble. I do. When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    (Plus, there’s no reason to try to turn off East Asians, who ought to be allies in this fight.)

    Scott Adams might say you don’t understand persuasion very well.

    The only way I could be down with it is if you started calling Islamic Jihadists the Kamikaze Killer Klan, so KKK could be another iSteve inside joke.

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    Plus, many of the so-called kamikaze killers had no intention of dying at the location they died at. Many are found to have planned hits on multiple sites. Or were fleeing (to next site, e.g., San Bernardino shooters).
    , @Big Bill
    Thank you. My thoughts exactly. If an enemy invasion fleet was approaching America, investing one's life as a human guidance system for a 1200 kg carrier-busting missile would be a brave and honorable act.
    , @Whoever

    When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.
     
    Also, many kamikazes were university students, often deeply immersed in Western culture, and were not militant nationalists or blind emperor worshipers. A number were Christians, and, of these, many were followers of Uchimura Kanzou, a leading Christian pacifist. Ichizo Hayashi carried Kierkegaard’s Sickness and Death as well as the Bible with him as he climbed into his plane for his last mission. Before taking off, Kumai Tsuneo and his fellow kamikaze pilots sang Hymn 405, which contains the stanza:

    Hear, gracious God, a sinner’s cry!
    For I have nowhere else to fly;
    My only hope is found in Thee:
    O God, be merciful to me!


    Hagihara Kotaro, a kamikaze pilot who survived because the war ended before his final flight, remarking on the number of Christian kamikazes such as himself, said that Japan was not at war with Christianity.

    Here's a photo of Ichizo (center) and his fellow Christian kamikazes. I'd rather know and be friends with them than these Muslim monsters.

    http://i.imgur.com/FyTqkTH.jpg
    , @Stan Adams

    brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers
     
    "Grandma, have I ever told you how glad I am that brave salt-of-the-earth kamikaze pilots rammed Grandpa's ship, sending him and his buddies to a watery grave, and leaving you a widow? Don't you admire their courage?"

    (My grandfather served in the Navy during the Korean War. It's a good thing the North Koreans weren't lining up to fly their planes into American ships, or I might not even be here.)
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  10. wren says:

    I wonder what portion of mass shooters are “on the autistic spectrum.”

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  11. Maj. Kong says:
    @Jefferson
    "Die-versity: 64% of Last 25 Mass Shooters Were Ethnically Diverse"

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/21/van-jones-leaves-cnn-panel-speechless-after-suggesting-that-white-men-be-racially-profiled/

    Van Jones should move to peaceful Sub Saharan Africa to get away from all of the violent White men.

    Just imagine replacing wherever he said “white” with “Jewish” or “Mormon” or even “veterans”.

    I imagine it would be beneficial to have the Coalition of the Fringe specifically targeting someone other than “white men”. (They mean White Conservative Christian Males WCMs, but that takes to long to write out)

    It also wouldn’t take long for a CultMarx professor to explain why Black African violence is the fault of YT.

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  12. foo124 says:

    Chinese, Asian, Korean, African/black and of course Muslim/Paki (San Bernardino, Times square (attempted), Orlando, 9/11).

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?

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    No, I don't-- but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group-- or even someone from either group-- to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone? If you are talking about Sub-Continentals, their other demographic characteristics would suggest an even lower probability of their being represented in that group of mass murderers.
    , @PiltdownMan

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?

     
    Three weeks ago, the UCLA killer, an Indian computer science Ph.D. student, killed two persons in addition to himself, but had a longer target list of names of people. You could say his program aborted before it went through the data stack.

    http://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/ucla-killer-mainak-sarkar-turned-violent-despite-foundation-for-success-1415436
    , @Wilkey
    "But zero Indians. Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?"

    So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population - a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don't appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It's nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn't appear.
    , @Triumph104
    Karthik Rajaram 2008

    http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rajaram-karthik.htm
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  13. Salger says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html

    A bulk of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics. Going by a credible definition of a mass shooting, Americans who are overwhelmingly European are underrepresented.

    It doesn’t matter what form of American violent crime it is. Europeans are always underrepresented.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    (In shootings with four or more casualties) nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black.

    Holy sh*t. I've heard it was bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad.
    , @BostonTea
    "A bulk of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics. "

    According to the data from NYT article, most of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics (~90%).
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  14. Hodag says:

    A family of six was murdered last fall in Chicago by a cousin and his girlfriend last fall and not on the list. Every weekend there is a mass shooting by the diverse in Chicago in Englewood, Lawndale etc in Chicago but the gunmen are too stupid and cowardly to do it properly, that or the trauma system in Chicago is really good.

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    A family of six was murdered last fall in Chicago by a cousin and his girlfriend last fall and not on the list. Every weekend there is a mass shooting by the diverse in Chicago
     
    Great point. What constitutes a "mass shooting"? I submit that it's simply media coverage. Black ghetto thugs routinely commit mass shootings, in which 3 to 4 (or more) are killed and another 3 to 4 injured in a single event. The media pretty much covers this stuff no differently than normal urban mayhem.

    If the shooting occurs in a white area -- say, a mall or school or military base -- then the media coverage is very different and it becomes a "mass shooting" or "terrorist attack" and the cable networks go to 24-hour live coverage.

    The truth is that if we factored out the number of shootings committed by blacks and foreigners in this country, the crime rate wouldn't be all that much different than Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc.

    Guns are not the problem. Sure, there is an occasional white nutcase, but generally speaking whites are extremely responsible with firearms. The current Democratic Party attempt to ban guns will only punish law-abiding whites for the crimes of blacks and foreigners.

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  15. jon says:
    @wren
    Scott Adams wrote an interesting blog post today:

    On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

    On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

    If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

    That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

     

    See the rest here:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

    Also, yes he may be juicing. He has the body of a buffed 18 year old.

    Also, yes he may be juicing.

    When you are too old to be using it to cheat at sports, the polite phrase is testosterone replacement therapy.

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  16. tbraton says:
    @wren
    Scott Adams wrote an interesting blog post today:

    On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

    On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

    If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

    That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

     

    See the rest here:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

    Also, yes he may be juicing. He has the body of a buffed 18 year old.

    I found this observation by Scott Adams in the same blog to be very interesting (I was previously aware that he had endorsed Hillary Clinton “for safety’s sake,” but I am not aware whether he had amplified on that):

    “*I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile.”

    As soon as I read that, I was wondering whether Steve Sailer, who lives in California, will be doing the same. I was aware of the George Soros-funded violence by Mexican thugs at Trump rallies, but I didn’t think such violence was to be feared simply by supporting Trump without attending his rallies.

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    I'm not rich.
    , @Autochthon
    I can attest from personal experience both in my neighbourhood and place of employment that supporting Mr. Trump subjects one to being ostracised, scorned, insulted, harassed, and so on by both other private persons and agents of the government.
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  17. @tbraton
    I found this observation by Scott Adams in the same blog to be very interesting (I was previously aware that he had endorsed Hillary Clinton "for safety's sake," but I am not aware whether he had amplified on that):

    "*I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile."

    As soon as I read that, I was wondering whether Steve Sailer, who lives in California, will be doing the same. I was aware of the George Soros-funded violence by Mexican thugs at Trump rallies, but I didn't think such violence was to be feared simply by supporting Trump without attending his rallies.

    I’m not rich.

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    That's a damn shame. Your observations are way more relevant than those freakanomics guys.
    , @MEH 0910
    Steve, just think of how much trouble the GOPe could have avoided if they had remuneratively employed you over the years writing a series of books about golf course architecture.
    , @Anonymous
    You must be. You write for a prestigious internet magazine.
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    @Chrisnonymous
    I wish you wouldn't use "kamikaze killer". It might have different connotations for people over, say, 60, but (as mentioned on previous threads) younger people might very well associate kamikaze with things noble. I do. When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    (Plus, there's no reason to try to turn off East Asians, who ought to be allies in this fight.)

    Scott Adams might say you don't understand persuasion very well.

    The only way I could be down with it is if you started calling Islamic Jihadists the Kamikaze Killer Klan, so KKK could be another iSteve inside joke.

    Plus, many of the so-called kamikaze killers had no intention of dying at the location they died at. Many are found to have planned hits on multiple sites. Or were fleeing (to next site, e.g., San Bernardino shooters).

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  19. @tbraton
    I found this observation by Scott Adams in the same blog to be very interesting (I was previously aware that he had endorsed Hillary Clinton "for safety's sake," but I am not aware whether he had amplified on that):

    "*I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile."

    As soon as I read that, I was wondering whether Steve Sailer, who lives in California, will be doing the same. I was aware of the George Soros-funded violence by Mexican thugs at Trump rallies, but I didn't think such violence was to be feared simply by supporting Trump without attending his rallies.

    I can attest from personal experience both in my neighbourhood and place of employment that supporting Mr. Trump subjects one to being ostracised, scorned, insulted, harassed, and so on by both other private persons and agents of the government.

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    • Replies: @Bee
    Dogs, too!
    , @Stan Adams
    If you're American, why do you use British spelling? If you use British spelling, then why not British punctuation?

    (A Brit would have written Mr Trump and would have omitted the comma before and so on.)
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  20. frizzled says:

    Many of those “non whites” would be counted as white in the census.

    If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA’s demographics in that stratum?

    This seems to support my notion that mass shootings are simply a random draw of hateful nutcases, which has the advantage of irritating liberals as much as conservatives – nobody likes being told there’s no point blaming Christians for abortion clinic shootings, or racists for shooting up black churches, or Muslims for Orlando. They’re all being fooled by randomness and drawing a straight line from one data point.

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    Muslims are WAY too over-represented for it to be a random draw of the population or a random draw of any socioeconomic subset of the population.
    , @D. K.
    I see listed one Hispanic-- which is a contrived ethnicity that may include any race (including my own priestly brother, who has spent most of his adult life living down in El Salvador, where he holds citizenship, along with his native-born American citizenship), but with most self-identified Hispanics telling the Census Bureau that they are "White or Caucasian" racially. Of the rest, all of the others likely to be accounted as "White or Caucasian" racially, in the latest census (but probably not in the upcoming one!), are apparently Muslims, except the noted possibility that the Lebanese killer is more likely to be a Christian Arab, based on his given name. Even subtracting him out, how is that long list of Muslim killers anyone's idea of a "random draw of hateful nutcases?" Christians still outnumber Muslims, in the United States, by nearly 80 to 1!
    , @Gross Terry
    why would socioeconomic status cause a person to go on a homicidal rampage?
    , @Jefferson
    "If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA’s demographics in that stratum?"

    The U.S is not 64 percent Nonwhite.
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  21. bigduke6 says:

    The Santa Barbara killer, Elliot Rodger, was actually half-Chinese. He wrote about this a bit.

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    Yes, Chinese-English would be a better ethnic description of him. Malaysian-British-American would be his state connections.
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  22. Big Bill says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I wish you wouldn't use "kamikaze killer". It might have different connotations for people over, say, 60, but (as mentioned on previous threads) younger people might very well associate kamikaze with things noble. I do. When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    (Plus, there's no reason to try to turn off East Asians, who ought to be allies in this fight.)

    Scott Adams might say you don't understand persuasion very well.

    The only way I could be down with it is if you started calling Islamic Jihadists the Kamikaze Killer Klan, so KKK could be another iSteve inside joke.

    Thank you. My thoughts exactly. If an enemy invasion fleet was approaching America, investing one’s life as a human guidance system for a 1200 kg carrier-busting missile would be a brave and honorable act.

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  23. WGG says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'm not rich.

    That’s a damn shame. Your observations are way more relevant than those freakanomics guys.

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  24. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'm not rich.

    Steve, just think of how much trouble the GOPe could have avoided if they had remuneratively employed you over the years writing a series of books about golf course architecture.

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    Very witty dude. And thorough.
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  25. MEH 0910 says:
    @dearieme
    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.
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    Exactly. As I said, financed by white Americans.
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  26. AndrewR says:

    That’s a very arbitrary, ignorant definition of “non-white vs white.”. Shame on you Sailer for amplifying Stormfront-tier comments.

    It’s also a stupid comment even by Antonymous’ own inbred, low IQ, white supremitard standards. What about the Pennsylvania barbecue shooting a few months back that killed six and that led to that news anchor being fired for correctly assuming the shooters were black? That is one of many mass shootings by blacks that even people like Antonymous ignore. As although I suspect he wouldn’t ignore them if he were brighter.

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    "What about the Pennsylvania barbecue shooting a few months back that killed six and that led to that news anchor being fired for correctly assuming the shooters were black?"

    Left Wingers/Black Lies Matter on social media and discusion boards were saying the racist White female news anchor Wendy Bell is a worst Human Being than the Black thugs who shot up the barbecue party.

    Which makes sense when you factor in that Black Millennial college students on average are more traumatized at the sight of Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, and a noose than they are at urban inner city violence.

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  27. TheJester says:

    It is incredible how broadly official narratives permeate society. It it also incredible how effective they are at doing their work. They act as originating myths that do not need a factual basis since they serve to make elements of the population feel good about their “beliefs”. They also serve to unite people with similar “beliefs” and interests. The myths become the axiomatic bases for social and political movements that are impermeable to facts.

    These official narratives are not idle twaddle. There is too much at stake. Expose the myths and you can rock the foundation of one’s social, political, and religious beliefs. Indeed, the consequences of exposure are so severe that they motivate people to judiciously avoid facts or the processes that might put their “beliefs” at risk.

    Two days ago I had a multi-hour discussion with a mulatto who had all of the official narratives about “White privilege” and “White racism” down pat. Indeed, he claimed that there are no instances of Blacks committing hate crimes against Whites because only White people commit hate crimes. As evidence, he had recourse to a few media-hyped cases such as the civil rights-era bombing of a Black church and the more recent killing in Charleston. (BTW: If the MSM doesn’t feature it, it didn’t happen.) He also accounted Black-on-Black violence to the oppressive conditions that Whites force Blacks to live in. Evidently his motto: “Above all, protect the narrative.” However, he also bragged about being intelligent enough to get through college without ever reading a book. I wasn’t surprised. He apparently graduated with a degree in Mythology.

    I have the same experience with political and societal discussions with my siblings who are avid supporters of Bernie Sanders. You can’t break through the myths. They just feel so good and so right … they have to be right. Although they have the time, my siblings also have the same convenient aversion to reading. I presume it’s simply too threatening. It is easier to posture and believe.

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  28. bomag says:
    @Salger
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html

    A bulk of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics. Going by a credible definition of a mass shooting, Americans who are overwhelmingly European are underrepresented.

    It doesn't matter what form of American violent crime it is. Europeans are always underrepresented.

    (In shootings with four or more casualties) nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black.

    Holy sh*t. I’ve heard it was bad, but I didn’t realize it was this bad.

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    They don't fit the narrative. Having some abnormal European man (and yes, the European mass shooters who get the media attention have a habit of being abnormal) shoot in a school or whatever helps to demonize whatever is being used for the pet crusade (European men, video games, etc.). Michael shooting Tyrone, Jemal, and Abdul doesn't.
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  29. Arclight says:

    RE: Scott Adams

    White progressives are mostly scared stiff of the minority groups that vote Democratic and enable them to retain power, and view them as noble yet savage beasts that require care and feeding from a benevolent state, but also kept way the hell away from themselves unless for photo ops or occasional volunteer efforts.

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  30. “Non-traditional Americans”?

    Do they wear white shoes after Labor Day?

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  31. Dissident says:

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated.

    Hmm, isn’t something missing from that list of things that we know?

    Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone like Scott Adams to acknowledge any direct correlation between race and crime. But if Mr. Adams were to ever find himself having to choose between stopping in one of two neighborhoods at a late hour, knowing nothing about either area other than that one was predominately white and the other predominately black or other non-Asian minority, I have little doubt which he would pick.

    The late New York radio personality Lynn Samuels, notorious for her ethnomasochism and worship of blacks (esp. black men…), once said that anyone who is a fundamentalist must, by necessity, be a hypocrite. If only she could have seen the irony in her making such a statement. (For whether or not it is true in the context that Ms. Samuels made it, about sexual morality, it is certainly true about anti-racism.)

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    Perhaps Mr. Adams is well awRe of the negative ramifications from making the pint of the obvious to the readers of his blog. Like Steve said" I'm not rich"
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  32. @Jefferson
    "(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Moroccan [Malaysian-English] man (targeted white college women, angry over rejection) [but also stabbed to death a bunch of his Asian roommates, but nobody remembers those poor bastards]"

    The mainstream called him White and said he came from White privilege because he has a rich daddy.

    “(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Moroccan [Malaysian-English] man (targeted white college women, angry over rejection) [but also stabbed to death a bunch of his Asian roommates, but nobody remembers those poor bastards]”

    The word “amok” as in “running amok” is itself of Malay origin, and used to refer to a individual-level psychopathology peculiar to that culture.

    Fortunately, we have Wikipedia and it has a lot more interesting detail.

    Although commonly used in a colloquial and less-violent sense, the phrase is particularly associated with a specific sociopathic culture-bound syndrome in Malaysian culture. In a typical case of running amok, an individual (often male), having shown no previous sign of anger or any inclination to violence, will acquire a weapon (traditionally a sword or dagger, but presently any of a variety of weapons) and in a sudden frenzy, will attempt to kill or seriously injure anyone he encounters and himself. Amok typically takes place in a well populated or crowded area. Amok episodes of this kind normally end with the attacker being killed by bystanders or committing suicide, eliciting theories that amok may be a form of intentional suicide in cultures where suicide is heavily stigmatized.Those who do not commit suicide and are not killed typically lose consciousness, and upon regaining consciousness, claim amnesia.

    An early Western description of the practice appears in the journals of Captain James Cook, a British explorer, who encountered amok firsthand in 1770 during a voyage around the world. Cook writes of individuals behaving in a reckless, violent manner, without cause and “indiscriminately killing and maiming villagers and animals in a frenzied attack.”

    A widely accepted explanation links amok with male honor (amok by women is virtually unknown). Running amok would thus be both a way of escaping the world (since perpetrators were normally killed) and re-establishing one’s reputation as a man to be feared and respected. Some observershave related this explanation to Islam’s ban on suicide, which, it is suggested, drove Malay/Indonesian men to create circumstances in which others would kill them.

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  33. Dissident says:

    [Mr. Sailer: This is meant to replace my previous comment, which I mistakenly posted under the handle that I use at a different site. Thanks and sorry to inconvenience you.]

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated.

    Hmm, isn’t something missing from that list of things that we know?

    Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone like Scott Adams to acknowledge any direct correlation between race and crime. But if Mr. Adams were to ever find himself having to choose between stopping in one of two neighborhoods at a late hour, knowing nothing about either area other than that one was predominately white and the other predominately black or other non-Asian minority, I have little doubt which he would pick.

    The late New York radio personality Lynn Samuels, notorious for her ethnomasochism and worship of blacks (esp. black men…), once said that anyone who is a fundamentalist must, by necessity, be a hypocrite. If only she could have seen the irony in her making such a statement. (For whether or not it is true in the context that Ms. Samuels made it, about sexual morality, it is certainly true about anti-racism.)

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  34. D. K. says:
    @foo124
    Chinese, Asian, Korean, African/black and of course Muslim/Paki (San Bernardino, Times square (attempted), Orlando, 9/11).

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don't seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don't you think ?

    No, I don’t– but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group– or even someone from either group– to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone? If you are talking about Sub-Continentals, their other demographic characteristics would suggest an even lower probability of their being represented in that group of mass murderers.

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    "No, I don’t– but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group– or even someone from either group– to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone?"

    Muslims make up less than 1 percent of The U.S population yet are still represented in a sample limited to 25 mass shooters.
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  35. @foo124
    Chinese, Asian, Korean, African/black and of course Muslim/Paki (San Bernardino, Times square (attempted), Orlando, 9/11).

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don't seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don't you think ?

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?

    Three weeks ago, the UCLA killer, an Indian computer science Ph.D. student, killed two persons in addition to himself, but had a longer target list of names of people. You could say his program aborted before it went through the data stack.

    http://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/ucla-killer-mainak-sarkar-turned-violent-despite-foundation-for-success-1415436

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    Just tacking on more information about Sarkar here:

    Nationality: Indian
    Ethnicity: Bengali
    Religion: Islam

    Killed former PhD advisor and estranged wife (both white Americans).
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  36. AndrewR says:
    @wren
    Scott Adams wrote an interesting blog post today:

    On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

    On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

    If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

    That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

     

    See the rest here:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

    Also, yes he may be juicing. He has the body of a buffed 18 year old.

    Why does he identify as a Democrat at all? He lacks the necessary delusions and hatreds. A rich, white, muscular, non-PC, honest, race realist(ish) male Democrat? I just don’t get it…

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    >"Why does he identify as a Democrat at all?"

    He's a tongue-in-cheek Democrat. At least, that's what he wants Trump supporters to think.


    “I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety.”...

    Mr. Adams...explained that Mrs. Clinton’s supporters have “convinced” him that his safety would be at risk if he was viewed as supportive of Mr. Trump.
     

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/7/scott-adams-dilbert-creator-endorses-hillary-clint/
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  37. biz says:
    @frizzled
    Many of those "non whites" would be counted as white in the census.

    If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA's demographics in that stratum?

    This seems to support my notion that mass shootings are simply a random draw of hateful nutcases, which has the advantage of irritating liberals as much as conservatives - nobody likes being told there's no point blaming Christians for abortion clinic shootings, or racists for shooting up black churches, or Muslims for Orlando. They're all being fooled by randomness and drawing a straight line from one data point.

    Muslims are WAY too over-represented for it to be a random draw of the population or a random draw of any socioeconomic subset of the population.

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  38. AndrewR says:
    @Jefferson
    "Die-versity: 64% of Last 25 Mass Shooters Were Ethnically Diverse"

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/21/van-jones-leaves-cnn-panel-speechless-after-suggesting-that-white-men-be-racially-profiled/

    Van Jones should move to peaceful Sub Saharan Africa to get away from all of the violent White men.

    “You are seven times more likely to be killed by a right wing extremist — a racist or an anti-government nut job — seven times more likely than a Muslim.”

    Even if this were true, which it obviously is not, given the tiny percentage of Muslims compared to the overall population, this would still be an extraordinary indictment of Muslims.

    Idiocracy is here and one of the strongest pieces of evidence is the rampant innumeracy among our so-called intellectual and pundit class.

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  39. Dr. X says:
    @Jefferson
    "Die-versity: 64% of Last 25 Mass Shooters Were Ethnically Diverse"

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/21/van-jones-leaves-cnn-panel-speechless-after-suggesting-that-white-men-be-racially-profiled/

    Van Jones should move to peaceful Sub Saharan Africa to get away from all of the violent White men.

    According to a Black man named Van Jones, White men are the most violent demographic group in America.

    Van Jones is a self-described “revolutionary communist” — and he was hired to work on Barack Obama’s White House staff in Obama’s first term in 2008.

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  40. Wilkey says:

    Talovic, who shot up Trolley Square in Salt Lake City, was certainly ethnic and Muslim, but he was also white, by most definitions. Same with the Boston Marathon bombers. But their “whiteness” also proves how important even “small” differences like religion and immigrant status can be in driving hatred and violence. There is no evidence I’m aware of that Talovic was a Muslim terrorist, but I have little doubt that his status as an outsider drove his murderous rage.

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    The Boston Marathon bombers were Chechens if the authorities are to be believed.

    That means they were a genetically violent group of people. Selection over a long period of time as maintained violent propensities in that gene pool.
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  41. unit472 says:
    @Uncle Peregrine
    Which mass shootings are by women? There are only a few that come to mind other than San Bernadino.

    1. Brenda Spencer ("I don't like Mondays") 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    2. Laurie Dann 1988
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

    3. Amy Bishop 2010
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting

    Women, perhaps because they are smaller, also differ in their methods and motives when they kill. I recall two female serial killers in California who targeted elderly or homeless men for their social security and disability checks. They used poison or , in one instance, drove over a wino they had left passed out in an alley. That method was also used, more than once, by berserk women who plowed into pedestrians on sidewalks.

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  42. Dr. X says:
    @Hodag
    A family of six was murdered last fall in Chicago by a cousin and his girlfriend last fall and not on the list. Every weekend there is a mass shooting by the diverse in Chicago in Englewood, Lawndale etc in Chicago but the gunmen are too stupid and cowardly to do it properly, that or the trauma system in Chicago is really good.

    A family of six was murdered last fall in Chicago by a cousin and his girlfriend last fall and not on the list. Every weekend there is a mass shooting by the diverse in Chicago

    Great point. What constitutes a “mass shooting”? I submit that it’s simply media coverage. Black ghetto thugs routinely commit mass shootings, in which 3 to 4 (or more) are killed and another 3 to 4 injured in a single event. The media pretty much covers this stuff no differently than normal urban mayhem.

    If the shooting occurs in a white area — say, a mall or school or military base — then the media coverage is very different and it becomes a “mass shooting” or “terrorist attack” and the cable networks go to 24-hour live coverage.

    The truth is that if we factored out the number of shootings committed by blacks and foreigners in this country, the crime rate wouldn’t be all that much different than Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc.

    Guns are not the problem. Sure, there is an occasional white nutcase, but generally speaking whites are extremely responsible with firearms. The current Democratic Party attempt to ban guns will only punish law-abiding whites for the crimes of blacks and foreigners.

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    I'm wondering whether there's geocoded crime data that includes the perpetrator and victim's home addresses along with the location of the crime. One could then nicely net out (and separately analyze) the "normal urban mayhem" where crimes occur within the victims' and perps' possibly shared census tracts.

    I've admittedly never checked out a criminology journal--maybe there's already a great deal of interesting spatial crime analysis happening there.
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  43. Wilkey says:
    @foo124
    Chinese, Asian, Korean, African/black and of course Muslim/Paki (San Bernardino, Times square (attempted), Orlando, 9/11).

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don't seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don't you think ?

    “But zero Indians. Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?”

    So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population – a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don’t appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It’s nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn’t appear.

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    "So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population – a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don’t appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It’s nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn’t appear."

    Muslims make up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, so why do they appear on this list of mass shooting perpetrators?

    , @Bill Jones
    Indians?

    Dot or How?
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  44. D. K. says:
    @frizzled
    Many of those "non whites" would be counted as white in the census.

    If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA's demographics in that stratum?

    This seems to support my notion that mass shootings are simply a random draw of hateful nutcases, which has the advantage of irritating liberals as much as conservatives - nobody likes being told there's no point blaming Christians for abortion clinic shootings, or racists for shooting up black churches, or Muslims for Orlando. They're all being fooled by randomness and drawing a straight line from one data point.

    I see listed one Hispanic– which is a contrived ethnicity that may include any race (including my own priestly brother, who has spent most of his adult life living down in El Salvador, where he holds citizenship, along with his native-born American citizenship), but with most self-identified Hispanics telling the Census Bureau that they are “White or Caucasian” racially. Of the rest, all of the others likely to be accounted as “White or Caucasian” racially, in the latest census (but probably not in the upcoming one!), are apparently Muslims, except the noted possibility that the Lebanese killer is more likely to be a Christian Arab, based on his given name. Even subtracting him out, how is that long list of Muslim killers anyone’s idea of a “random draw of hateful nutcases?” Christians still outnumber Muslims, in the United States, by nearly 80 to 1!

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    We're interested in the odds ratio for Muslims, correcting for age and demographic.

    The Boston MA bombing doesn't count as a mass shooting.

    That leaves Chattanooga, Fort Hood, San Bernadino and Orlando. Of those, only two were totally unambiguously political acts - Chattanooga and Fort Hood. We still don't know if the Orlando shooter was gay, for example.

    So we have several hypotheses.

    1. There is nothing special about Muslims and we can't reject the null that Muslims are no more likely to be mass shooters than everyone else.

    2. Muslims are generally more likely to be hateful nutcases, for cultural or genetic reasons.

    3. Muslims are generally more likely to commit mass shootings for political reasons (mass shooting terrorism). Actually, since Chattanooga and Ft Hood were against the military, it's debatable whether they were technically terrorism or should be counted as ordinary mass shootings.

    4. Muslims are better at racking up a high casualty count when they become mass shooters. This is an interesting question because it implies there could be a bias to looking at the top 25 mass killings to assess this question.

    (1) and (2), (1) and (3) are not compatible. (2) and (3) could either or both be true. (1) and (4) are compatible. (2) and (4), and (3) and (4) are compatible. I feel that (3) may be true, but probably doesn't pose a threat to ordinary civilians. (4) is quite likely to be true.

    I do not know the answer to these questions but I would not look at the top 25 shootings alone to answer it. It would make more sense to use a definition of mass shooting that is less biased by ability to murder (ie, 3+ people shot, not number dead) and fit a regression model that incorporates all of these possibilities. This means you would need to look at many more mass shootings.

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  45. frizzled says:
    @D. K.
    I see listed one Hispanic-- which is a contrived ethnicity that may include any race (including my own priestly brother, who has spent most of his adult life living down in El Salvador, where he holds citizenship, along with his native-born American citizenship), but with most self-identified Hispanics telling the Census Bureau that they are "White or Caucasian" racially. Of the rest, all of the others likely to be accounted as "White or Caucasian" racially, in the latest census (but probably not in the upcoming one!), are apparently Muslims, except the noted possibility that the Lebanese killer is more likely to be a Christian Arab, based on his given name. Even subtracting him out, how is that long list of Muslim killers anyone's idea of a "random draw of hateful nutcases?" Christians still outnumber Muslims, in the United States, by nearly 80 to 1!

    We’re interested in the odds ratio for Muslims, correcting for age and demographic.

    The Boston MA bombing doesn’t count as a mass shooting.

    That leaves Chattanooga, Fort Hood, San Bernadino and Orlando. Of those, only two were totally unambiguously political acts – Chattanooga and Fort Hood. We still don’t know if the Orlando shooter was gay, for example.

    So we have several hypotheses.

    1. There is nothing special about Muslims and we can’t reject the null that Muslims are no more likely to be mass shooters than everyone else.

    2. Muslims are generally more likely to be hateful nutcases, for cultural or genetic reasons.

    3. Muslims are generally more likely to commit mass shootings for political reasons (mass shooting terrorism). Actually, since Chattanooga and Ft Hood were against the military, it’s debatable whether they were technically terrorism or should be counted as ordinary mass shootings.

    4. Muslims are better at racking up a high casualty count when they become mass shooters. This is an interesting question because it implies there could be a bias to looking at the top 25 mass killings to assess this question.

    (1) and (2), (1) and (3) are not compatible. (2) and (3) could either or both be true. (1) and (4) are compatible. (2) and (4), and (3) and (4) are compatible. I feel that (3) may be true, but probably doesn’t pose a threat to ordinary civilians. (4) is quite likely to be true.

    I do not know the answer to these questions but I would not look at the top 25 shootings alone to answer it. It would make more sense to use a definition of mass shooting that is less biased by ability to murder (ie, 3+ people shot, not number dead) and fit a regression model that incorporates all of these possibilities. This means you would need to look at many more mass shootings.

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  46. @frizzled
    Many of those "non whites" would be counted as white in the census.

    If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA's demographics in that stratum?

    This seems to support my notion that mass shootings are simply a random draw of hateful nutcases, which has the advantage of irritating liberals as much as conservatives - nobody likes being told there's no point blaming Christians for abortion clinic shootings, or racists for shooting up black churches, or Muslims for Orlando. They're all being fooled by randomness and drawing a straight line from one data point.

    why would socioeconomic status cause a person to go on a homicidal rampage?

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  47. Marcus says:

    Bosnian Muslim immigrant

    Certainly “white,” according to most definitions, same with the Tsarnaevs (why do you include them on a list of shooters?)

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    Certainly “white,” according to most definitions, same with the Tsarnaevs (why do you include them on a list of shooters?)
     
    According to the PC Crowd, being Muslim makes you non-White.
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  48. @dearieme
    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    Funded by Roman Catholic Americans? The funding didn’t come from Muslims . . . or Presbyterians?

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    Funded by Roman Catholic Americans? The funding didn’t come from Muslims . . . or Presbyterians?
     
    I tend to think that Italian-American Catholics had very little to do with it....
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  49. Supposedly all serial killers are white men. Sarah Silverman reminded us of that on twitter after Orlando.

    But according to the Radford U serial killer database, 68% of serial killers in the last fifteen years were non-white. And no, that figure doesn’t include gang killers, only traditional serial killers.

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    don't forget that many serial killers are Gay....I believe 4 of the top 10 serial killers were homosexual males who killed other males.
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  50. jill says:

    Why does everyone leave Waco off their lists? Mass shooting instigated by government on a white Christian church. 76 white Christians burned to death, 5 shot and killed.

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  51. iSteveFan says:

    The linked LA Times story has this to say about the Oregon shooter:

    Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues.

    This does not dovetail with you description of him. Who is right?

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    http://viewpointsofasagittarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Christopher-Mercer-oregon-shooter-cnn-whitewashes-image-e1443909798229.jpg
    , @D. K.
    http://2ps46p2qeea548gs4x33cbdz.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/mercer-mom.jpg
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  52. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Wilkey
    Talovic, who shot up Trolley Square in Salt Lake City, was certainly ethnic and Muslim, but he was also white, by most definitions. Same with the Boston Marathon bombers. But their "whiteness" also proves how important even "small" differences like religion and immigrant status can be in driving hatred and violence. There is no evidence I'm aware of that Talovic was a Muslim terrorist, but I have little doubt that his status as an outsider drove his murderous rage.

    The Boston Marathon bombers were Chechens if the authorities are to be believed.

    That means they were a genetically violent group of people. Selection over a long period of time as maintained violent propensities in that gene pool.

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  53. D. K. says:
    @iSteveFan
    The linked LA Times story has this to say about the Oregon shooter:

    Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues.
     
    This does not dovetail with you description of him. Who is right?

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    Nice piece of CGI. They not only made his skin white but narrowed his nose and lips, and the result was totally seamless.
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  54. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Now you have done it Steve.

    I think you can expect to be vilified by all the right thinking people now, including the AMA.

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  55. D. K. says:
    @iSteveFan
    The linked LA Times story has this to say about the Oregon shooter:

    Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues.
     
    This does not dovetail with you description of him. Who is right?

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    thanks
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  56. Kat Grey says:

    Obama’s bloody legacy after two terms in the Honky House

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    "Obama’s bloody legacy after two terms in the Honky House"

    I refer to it as the Formerly White House.
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  57. iSteveFan says:
    @D. K.
    http://2ps46p2qeea548gs4x33cbdz.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/mercer-mom.jpg

    thanks

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    Prego!
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  58. D. K. says:
    @iSteveFan
    thanks

    Prego!

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  59. iSteveFan says:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but in reading the LA Times piece I did not see mention of the recent mass killings in Hesston, KS. Back in February of this year, a black man killed 3 co-workers at a lawn mower factory and injured 14.

    This Kansas shooting is only four months old but has already been flushed down the memory hole. Adding this incident makes your white male percentage drop even further.

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  60. D. K. says:

    OT:

    Baltimore police-van-driver Caesar Goodson found NOT GUILTY of all charges, after bench trial!

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  61. Svigor says:

    So, naturally, all of this rampaging Diversity is being used as an excuse to trample the 2nd Amendment rights of…the white majority.

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  62. Alfa158 says:
    @D. K.
    http://viewpointsofasagittarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Christopher-Mercer-oregon-shooter-cnn-whitewashes-image-e1443909798229.jpg

    Nice piece of CGI. They not only made his skin white but narrowed his nose and lips, and the result was totally seamless.

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  63. D. K. says:

    OT:

    Armed attacker in German movie-theater attack reportedly has been killed, after “injuring” at least 25 patrons or personnel. No word yet on whether this was a terrorist attack, or simply a criminal act.

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    My money is on the Religion of Peace.
    , @D. K.
    This story utterly disappeared from the American media, yesterday afternoon-- perhaps faster than any such story that I can recall!?! Here is a revealing-if-inconclusive follow-up:

    http://la-kabylie.com/2016/06/25/german-cinema-shooting-was-not-terrorist-attack-sources-say/

    It sounds like it was most likely a planned suicide-by-cop, carried out by a mentally ill man.
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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I would be fascinated to see how many of the 25 killers are registered Democrats or professed progressive ideas? I bet there is a 100% correlation.

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  65. BostonTea says:
    @Salger
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html

    A bulk of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics. Going by a credible definition of a mass shooting, Americans who are overwhelmingly European are underrepresented.

    It doesn't matter what form of American violent crime it is. Europeans are always underrepresented.

    “A bulk of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics. ”

    According to the data from NYT article, most of mass shootings are done by Blacks or Hispanics (~90%).

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/black-man-zebulum-lael-james-goes-on-shooting-spree-in-jackson-ms-killing-two-white-women-national-media-silent

    I think u missed this one. The death toll was only 2 but I think it would classify as a spree shooting bc he fired at others.

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  67. @D. K.
    OT:

    Armed attacker in German movie-theater attack reportedly has been killed, after "injuring" at least 25 patrons or personnel. No word yet on whether this was a terrorist attack, or simply a criminal act.

    My money is on the Religion of Peace.

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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    I'm not rich.

    You must be. You write for a prestigious internet magazine.

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    Membership has its privileges.
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  69. @Uncle Peregrine
    Which mass shootings are by women? There are only a few that come to mind other than San Bernadino.

    1. Brenda Spencer ("I don't like Mondays") 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    2. Laurie Dann 1988
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

    3. Amy Bishop 2010
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting

    Do you ever get the feeling that when women want revenge (justified or not) they go for quality rather than quantity?

    Kipling may have been onto something with his “the female of the species is deadlier than the male…”

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  70. @Uncle Peregrine
    Which mass shootings are by women? There are only a few that come to mind other than San Bernadino.

    1. Brenda Spencer ("I don't like Mondays") 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    2. Laurie Dann 1988
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

    3. Amy Bishop 2010
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting
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  71. Hacienda says:

    Deaths from smoking last 10 years: 4.8 million

    Car accidents: 3.5 million

    Death by stairway falls: 60,000

    Death by cows: 200

    Steve’s mass shooting list: 161

    That’s right. You have a better chance of being killed by a cow than the mass shooter here. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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    A data point missing from your snark is that smoking, car accidents, stairway falls, and bovine mishaps generally result from people not paying attention or themselves choosing something reckless.

    (Though many car accidents are unavoidable when too much stupid gathers in one place and is propelling itself along in a ton of steel.)

    Many of the deaths from stairway falls are fragile elders for whom any fall is life-threatening.

    I knew two people killed by bulls. In both cases they were being so stupid and mean that the widespread view was that the bull was possessed by Mr. Darwin and James Herriot.

    I knew three people kicked in the haid by cows. Two of them were hourly workers at milking parlors and treated the animals nastily. The third was heat-checking her in a most non-gentlemanly way, and one can hardly blame her for her reaction.

    But I do agree that mass shootings get disproportionate media attention.

    Still, don't despair. The globalistas are in the process of figuring out how to realize their agenda of destroying the private car and uses of it. The better to control mobility with and engineer diversitopia.

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  72. syonredux says:
    @dearieme
    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    IRA killings, I presume?

    The Irish are a troublesome race. I have a certain measure of sympathy for the Know-Nothings who wanted to keep them out.At the very least, that would have meant no Kennedy Family mucking things up.

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    http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world....
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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Kamikaze killers are aptly named, in that they are largely committed by foreign or non-traditional Americans.

    Blacks are more traditionally American than someone with a surname like “Lanza”. When you group the blacks with the other Americans, the ratio becomes closer to 50-50.

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    Adam Lanza was very American. A Mayflower descendant. Although he was also of one quarter Italian descent, yes.

    http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dowfam3&id=I427112
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  74. @foo124
    Chinese, Asian, Korean, African/black and of course Muslim/Paki (San Bernardino, Times square (attempted), Orlando, 9/11).

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don't seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don't you think ?
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    an afghan or arab would have lashed outside, instead of inside like the indian or the white lady.
    , @Some Economist
    From the first news article posted there, emphasis added:

    "This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair, somehow working his way into believing this to be an acceptable exit," said LAPD Deputy Chief Michel Moore. "It is critical to step up and recognize we are in some pretty troubled times."
    ...
    The letter to police voiced two options: taking his own life, or killing himself and his entire family. "He talked himself into the second strategy," Moore said. "That that would be the honorable thing to do."

    Right, that sounds perfectly American to me...

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  75. You might be a HIQI if….

    You do statistical analysis on a set of synthetic, staged events….

    Guys, the patsies in a false flag have whatever race/ethnicity they have because it is ideologically useful for the narrative being promulgated. Don’t any of you guys know that?

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  76. CJ says:
    @bigduke6
    The Santa Barbara killer, Elliot Rodger, was actually half-Chinese. He wrote about this a bit.

    Yes, Chinese-English would be a better ethnic description of him. Malaysian-British-American would be his state connections.

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  77. D. K. says:
    @syonredux

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.
     
    IRA killings, I presume?

    The Irish are a troublesome race. I have a certain measure of sympathy for the Know-Nothings who wanted to keep them out.At the very least, that would have meant no Kennedy Family mucking things up.

    http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world….

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    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world….
     
    The Irish certainly have reasons for their Anglophobia:

    Charles Carlton, Going to the Wars (1992)
    Petty's 1672 estimate of dead in Ireland, covering 10/1641-10/1653:

    Catholic d.: 504,000

    Fuller, A Military History of the Western World, v.2 (1955): 500,000
    R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland 1600-1972 (1988)
    Irish population decline from 2.0M (ca. 1640) to 1.7M (1672) [i.e.: 300,000]

     

    But I dislike it when immigrants bring Old Country feuds to the USA
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  78. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Triumph104
    Karthik Rajaram 2008

    http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rajaram-karthik.htm

    an afghan or arab would have lashed outside, instead of inside like the indian or the white lady.

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  79. syonredux says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.
     
    Funded by Roman Catholic Americans? The funding didn't come from Muslims . . . or Presbyterians?

    Funded by Roman Catholic Americans? The funding didn’t come from Muslims . . . or Presbyterians?

    I tend to think that Italian-American Catholics had very little to do with it….

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  80. syonredux says:
    @D. K.
    http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world....

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world….

    The Irish certainly have reasons for their Anglophobia:

    Charles Carlton, Going to the Wars (1992)
    Petty’s 1672 estimate of dead in Ireland, covering 10/1641-10/1653:

    Catholic d.: 504,000

    Fuller, A Military History of the Western World, v.2 (1955): 500,000
    R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland 1600-1972 (1988)
    Irish population decline from 2.0M (ca. 1640) to 1.7M (1672) [i.e.: 300,000]

    But I dislike it when immigrants bring Old Country feuds to the USA

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    Philip Hart was co-sponsor of the the 1965 immigration act. It seems like the majority of white gentile leftists are still Irish Catholics.
    , @D. K.
    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664....
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  81. syonredux says:
    @Marcus

    Bosnian Muslim immigrant
     
    Certainly "white," according to most definitions, same with the Tsarnaevs (why do you include them on a list of shooters?)

    Certainly “white,” according to most definitions, same with the Tsarnaevs (why do you include them on a list of shooters?)

    According to the PC Crowd, being Muslim makes you non-White.

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    "According to the PC Crowd, being Muslim makes you non-White."

    Not if you are a Muslim terrorist. Muslims are White when they murder people, but Muslims are People Of Color for affirmative purposes or when they do good things.

    Murder Whitens certain groups.

    The Muslim mayor of Londonstan is a Person Of Color, but all Muslim terrorists are White.

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  82. Marcus says:
    @syonredux

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world….
     
    The Irish certainly have reasons for their Anglophobia:

    Charles Carlton, Going to the Wars (1992)
    Petty's 1672 estimate of dead in Ireland, covering 10/1641-10/1653:

    Catholic d.: 504,000

    Fuller, A Military History of the Western World, v.2 (1955): 500,000
    R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland 1600-1972 (1988)
    Irish population decline from 2.0M (ca. 1640) to 1.7M (1672) [i.e.: 300,000]

     

    But I dislike it when immigrants bring Old Country feuds to the USA

    Philip Hart was co-sponsor of the the 1965 immigration act. It seems like the majority of white gentile leftists are still Irish Catholics.

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  83. Nope says:

    “(1) Roseburg OR — Biracial black-identified man”

    The Oregon shooter, Christopher Harper-Mercer, while biracial, definitively was not black-identified. He described himself as “mixed race”, and his online writings and suicide note (which I admittedly havent read) reportedly espoused “white supremacist” views and animus specifically against blacks.

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    He had a very strange way of expressing his supposed "White Supremacism":

    https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/umpqua-shooting-victims.jpg
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  84. Kyle a says:
    @Dissident

    But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated.
     
    Hmm, isn't something missing from that list of things that we know?

    Of course, I wouldn't expect someone like Scott Adams to acknowledge any direct correlation between race and crime. But if Mr. Adams were to ever find himself having to choose between stopping in one of two neighborhoods at a late hour, knowing nothing about either area other than that one was predominately white and the other predominately black or other non-Asian minority, I have little doubt which he would pick.

    The late New York radio personality Lynn Samuels, notorious for her ethnomasochism and worship of blacks (esp. black men...), once said that anyone who is a fundamentalist must, by necessity, be a hypocrite. If only she could have seen the irony in her making such a statement. (For whether or not it is true in the context that Ms. Samuels made it, about sexual morality, it is certainly true about anti-racism.)

    Perhaps Mr. Adams is well awRe of the negative ramifications from making the pint of the obvious to the readers of his blog. Like Steve said” I’m not rich”

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  85. Whoever says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I wish you wouldn't use "kamikaze killer". It might have different connotations for people over, say, 60, but (as mentioned on previous threads) younger people might very well associate kamikaze with things noble. I do. When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    (Plus, there's no reason to try to turn off East Asians, who ought to be allies in this fight.)

    Scott Adams might say you don't understand persuasion very well.

    The only way I could be down with it is if you started calling Islamic Jihadists the Kamikaze Killer Klan, so KKK could be another iSteve inside joke.

    When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    Also, many kamikazes were university students, often deeply immersed in Western culture, and were not militant nationalists or blind emperor worshipers. A number were Christians, and, of these, many were followers of Uchimura Kanzou, a leading Christian pacifist. Ichizo Hayashi carried Kierkegaard’s Sickness and Death as well as the Bible with him as he climbed into his plane for his last mission. Before taking off, Kumai Tsuneo and his fellow kamikaze pilots sang Hymn 405, which contains the stanza:

    Hear, gracious God, a sinner’s cry!
    For I have nowhere else to fly;
    My only hope is found in Thee:
    O God, be merciful to me!

    Hagihara Kotaro, a kamikaze pilot who survived because the war ended before his final flight, remarking on the number of Christian kamikazes such as himself, said that Japan was not at war with Christianity.

    Here’s a photo of Ichizo (center) and his fellow Christian kamikazes. I’d rather know and be friends with them than these Muslim monsters.

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  86. @PiltdownMan

    But zero Indians.

    Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?

     
    Three weeks ago, the UCLA killer, an Indian computer science Ph.D. student, killed two persons in addition to himself, but had a longer target list of names of people. You could say his program aborted before it went through the data stack.

    http://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/ucla-killer-mainak-sarkar-turned-violent-despite-foundation-for-success-1415436

    Just tacking on more information about Sarkar here:

    Nationality: Indian
    Ethnicity: Bengali
    Religion: Islam

    Killed former PhD advisor and estranged wife (both white Americans).

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    Religion: Islam
     


    According to various comments in the Indian papers, Mainak Sarkar appears to have been Hindu, not Muslim. One comment refers to him as "that crazy brahmin". A newspaper article says his father was a Satyen Sarkar. I once dealt with a guy in finance with that first name. He was a Hindu.

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160604/jsp/frontpage/story_89304.jsp#.V2yjlRJ7XQQ
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  87. Olorin says:
    @Uncle Peregrine
    Which mass shootings are by women? There are only a few that come to mind other than San Bernadino.

    1. Brenda Spencer ("I don't like Mondays") 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    2. Laurie Dann 1988
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

    3. Amy Bishop 2010
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting

    There was Sylvia Seegrist’s rampage in Pennsylvania in 1985. She killed 3, wounded 7.

    That’s one I narrowly escaped and still get neck-tingles remembering how.

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  88. @Dr. X

    A family of six was murdered last fall in Chicago by a cousin and his girlfriend last fall and not on the list. Every weekend there is a mass shooting by the diverse in Chicago
     
    Great point. What constitutes a "mass shooting"? I submit that it's simply media coverage. Black ghetto thugs routinely commit mass shootings, in which 3 to 4 (or more) are killed and another 3 to 4 injured in a single event. The media pretty much covers this stuff no differently than normal urban mayhem.

    If the shooting occurs in a white area -- say, a mall or school or military base -- then the media coverage is very different and it becomes a "mass shooting" or "terrorist attack" and the cable networks go to 24-hour live coverage.

    The truth is that if we factored out the number of shootings committed by blacks and foreigners in this country, the crime rate wouldn't be all that much different than Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc.

    Guns are not the problem. Sure, there is an occasional white nutcase, but generally speaking whites are extremely responsible with firearms. The current Democratic Party attempt to ban guns will only punish law-abiding whites for the crimes of blacks and foreigners.

    I’m wondering whether there’s geocoded crime data that includes the perpetrator and victim’s home addresses along with the location of the crime. One could then nicely net out (and separately analyze) the “normal urban mayhem” where crimes occur within the victims’ and perps’ possibly shared census tracts.

    I’ve admittedly never checked out a criminology journal–maybe there’s already a great deal of interesting spatial crime analysis happening there.

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  89. Olorin says:
    @Hacienda
    Deaths from smoking last 10 years: 4.8 million

    Car accidents: 3.5 million

    Death by stairway falls: 60,000

    Death by cows: 200

    Steve's mass shooting list: 161


    That's right. You have a better chance of being killed by a cow than the mass shooter here. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    A data point missing from your snark is that smoking, car accidents, stairway falls, and bovine mishaps generally result from people not paying attention or themselves choosing something reckless.

    (Though many car accidents are unavoidable when too much stupid gathers in one place and is propelling itself along in a ton of steel.)

    Many of the deaths from stairway falls are fragile elders for whom any fall is life-threatening.

    I knew two people killed by bulls. In both cases they were being so stupid and mean that the widespread view was that the bull was possessed by Mr. Darwin and James Herriot.

    I knew three people kicked in the haid by cows. Two of them were hourly workers at milking parlors and treated the animals nastily. The third was heat-checking her in a most non-gentlemanly way, and one can hardly blame her for her reaction.

    But I do agree that mass shootings get disproportionate media attention.

    Still, don’t despair. The globalistas are in the process of figuring out how to realize their agenda of destroying the private car and uses of it. The better to control mobility with and engineer diversitopia.

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    More statistical geography than snark. "We have to be smart".

    Stairways are death traps for old people and Steve's readership.

    I fear globalism, not the globalist, who have little control over anything.
    I do respect a cow's kick:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PtADvf4K_U
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  90. @Triumph104
    Karthik Rajaram 2008

    http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rajaram-karthik.htm

    From the first news article posted there, emphasis added:

    “This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair, somehow working his way into believing this to be an acceptable exit,” said LAPD Deputy Chief Michel Moore. “It is critical to step up and recognize we are in some pretty troubled times.”

    The letter to police voiced two options: taking his own life, or killing himself and his entire family. “He talked himself into the second strategy,” Moore said. “That that would be the honorable thing to do.”

    Right, that sounds perfectly American to me…

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  91. Jefferson says:
    @Wilkey
    "But zero Indians. Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?"

    So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population - a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don't appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It's nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn't appear.

    “So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population – a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don’t appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It’s nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn’t appear.”

    Muslims make up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, so why do they appear on this list of mass shooting perpetrators?

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  92. Jefferson says:
    @D. K.
    No, I don't-- but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group-- or even someone from either group-- to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone? If you are talking about Sub-Continentals, their other demographic characteristics would suggest an even lower probability of their being represented in that group of mass murderers.

    “No, I don’t– but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group– or even someone from either group– to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone?”

    Muslims make up less than 1 percent of The U.S population yet are still represented in a sample limited to 25 mass shooters.

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    How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?
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  93. Kylie says:
    @Kat Grey
    Obama's bloody legacy after two terms in the Honky House

    “Obama’s bloody legacy after two terms in the Honky House”

    I refer to it as the Formerly White House.

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  94. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    Certainly “white,” according to most definitions, same with the Tsarnaevs (why do you include them on a list of shooters?)
     
    According to the PC Crowd, being Muslim makes you non-White.

    “According to the PC Crowd, being Muslim makes you non-White.”

    Not if you are a Muslim terrorist. Muslims are White when they murder people, but Muslims are People Of Color for affirmative purposes or when they do good things.

    Murder Whitens certain groups.

    The Muslim mayor of Londonstan is a Person Of Color, but all Muslim terrorists are White.

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  95. @MEH 0910
    Steve, just think of how much trouble the GOPe could have avoided if they had remuneratively employed you over the years writing a series of books about golf course architecture.

    Very witty dude. And thorough.

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  96. Jefferson says:
    @frizzled
    Many of those "non whites" would be counted as white in the census.

    If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA's demographics in that stratum?

    This seems to support my notion that mass shootings are simply a random draw of hateful nutcases, which has the advantage of irritating liberals as much as conservatives - nobody likes being told there's no point blaming Christians for abortion clinic shootings, or racists for shooting up black churches, or Muslims for Orlando. They're all being fooled by randomness and drawing a straight line from one data point.

    “If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA’s demographics in that stratum?”

    The U.S is not 64 percent Nonwhite.

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    He meant Americans who are, say, under 30 or so, who take up most of shooters. In which case they're almost surely less than 50% white. Exact number is difficult.

    If you adjust for the overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists, the numbers probably correspond to the young American demographics, yes.
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  97. dearieme says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serving_British_MPs_who_were_assassinated

    Exactly. As I said, financed by white Americans.

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    Exactly. As I said, financed by white Americans.
     
    I tend to think that people who donated to the IRA thought of themselves as Irish first and foremost.
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  98. Jefferson says:
    @AndrewR
    That's a very arbitrary, ignorant definition of "non-white vs white.". Shame on you Sailer for amplifying Stormfront-tier comments.

    It's also a stupid comment even by Antonymous' own inbred, low IQ, white supremitard standards. What about the Pennsylvania barbecue shooting a few months back that killed six and that led to that news anchor being fired for correctly assuming the shooters were black? That is one of many mass shootings by blacks that even people like Antonymous ignore. As although I suspect he wouldn't ignore them if he were brighter.

    “What about the Pennsylvania barbecue shooting a few months back that killed six and that led to that news anchor being fired for correctly assuming the shooters were black?”

    Left Wingers/Black Lies Matter on social media and discusion boards were saying the racist White female news anchor Wendy Bell is a worst Human Being than the Black thugs who shot up the barbecue party.

    Which makes sense when you factor in that Black Millennial college students on average are more traumatized at the sight of Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, and a noose than they are at urban inner city violence.

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  99. syonredux says:
    @dearieme
    Exactly. As I said, financed by white Americans.

    Exactly. As I said, financed by white Americans.

    I tend to think that people who donated to the IRA thought of themselves as Irish first and foremost.

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  100. You have omitted from your list Christopher Dorner (black ex-cop from Los Angeles) who killed four and wounded three people in Orange, Los Angeles, and Riverside counties in 2013.

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  101. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    "No, I don’t– but then, I still can do basic math. If you are referring to Amerindians, they comprise about 0.7% of the population. If, as I would assume, you are referring, instead, to Sub-Continental Indians, they now comprise about 1.0% of the population. Why would anyone expect either group– or even someone from either group– to be represented in a sample limited to 25 incidents, based upon population sizes alone?"

    Muslims make up less than 1 percent of The U.S population yet are still represented in a sample limited to 25 mass shooters.

    How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?

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    "How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?"

    Going by your retarded logic, there should be a lot of Japanese American mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima. There should be a lot of Jewish mass shooters in Germany as revenge for the Holocaust.

    Also why are Islamic terrorists attacking Belgium for example? Is Belgium dropping bombs on Muslim nations?

    Islam is an extremely backwards religion, this is 100 percent fact. Hence the vast overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists and mass shooters in The U.S.
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  102. @Chrisnonymous
    I wish you wouldn't use "kamikaze killer". It might have different connotations for people over, say, 60, but (as mentioned on previous threads) younger people might very well associate kamikaze with things noble. I do. When you associate crazy sociopathic freaks who slaughter civilians in order to be rewarded in heaven with brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers, I experience cognitive dissonance.

    (Plus, there's no reason to try to turn off East Asians, who ought to be allies in this fight.)

    Scott Adams might say you don't understand persuasion very well.

    The only way I could be down with it is if you started calling Islamic Jihadists the Kamikaze Killer Klan, so KKK could be another iSteve inside joke.

    brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers

    “Grandma, have I ever told you how glad I am that brave salt-of-the-earth kamikaze pilots rammed Grandpa’s ship, sending him and his buddies to a watery grave, and leaving you a widow? Don’t you admire their courage?”

    (My grandfather served in the Navy during the Korean War. It’s a good thing the North Koreans weren’t lining up to fly their planes into American ships, or I might not even be here.)

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    Your comments don't make sense. I didn't say I was glad Americans died.
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  103. Bee says:
    @Autochthon
    I can attest from personal experience both in my neighbourhood and place of employment that supporting Mr. Trump subjects one to being ostracised, scorned, insulted, harassed, and so on by both other private persons and agents of the government.

    Dogs, too!

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  104. @Anonymous
    You must be. You write for a prestigious internet magazine.

    Membership has its privileges.

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  105. Travis says:
    @Charles Tunata
    Supposedly all serial killers are white men. Sarah Silverman reminded us of that on twitter after Orlando.

    But according to the Radford U serial killer database, 68% of serial killers in the last fifteen years were non-white. And no, that figure doesn't include gang killers, only traditional serial killers.

    don’t forget that many serial killers are Gay….I believe 4 of the top 10 serial killers were homosexual males who killed other males.

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  106. D. K. says:
    @Nope
    "(1) Roseburg OR — Biracial black-identified man"

    The Oregon shooter, Christopher Harper-Mercer, while biracial, definitively was not black-identified. He described himself as "mixed race", and his online writings and suicide note (which I admittedly havent read) reportedly espoused "white supremacist" views and animus specifically against blacks.

    He had a very strange way of expressing his supposed “White Supremacism”:

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    Well, he was, you know, crazy.

    John Houser (the guy who shot up the movie theatre in Loisiana) and Elliot Rodger (Isla Vista shooter) both also expressed white supremacist views, yet mainly targeted white people.
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  107. Chai Soua Vang belongs in there
    unless the cutoff is for murders
    more than eleven years ago.

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  108. D. K. says:
    @syonredux

    Yeah, the Irish really have been the bane of the modern world….
     
    The Irish certainly have reasons for their Anglophobia:

    Charles Carlton, Going to the Wars (1992)
    Petty's 1672 estimate of dead in Ireland, covering 10/1641-10/1653:

    Catholic d.: 504,000

    Fuller, A Military History of the Western World, v.2 (1955): 500,000
    R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland 1600-1972 (1988)
    Irish population decline from 2.0M (ca. 1640) to 1.7M (1672) [i.e.: 300,000]

     

    But I dislike it when immigrants bring Old Country feuds to the USA

    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664….

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    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664…
     
    .

    On the other hand, the USA was as yet unborn in 1664......
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  109. Nope says:
    @D. K.
    He had a very strange way of expressing his supposed "White Supremacism":

    https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/umpqua-shooting-victims.jpg

    Well, he was, you know, crazy.

    John Houser (the guy who shot up the movie theatre in Loisiana) and Elliot Rodger (Isla Vista shooter) both also expressed white supremacist views, yet mainly targeted white people.

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    As a former attorney, I know what "insanity" is. As someone with a Master of Science degree in Personality & Social Psychology, I know what "psychosis" is. As a former English major, however, I know that "crazy" is essentially just an ambiguous (and usually hyperbolic) slang term, when applied to human cognition.

    After every mass shooting, I do indeed hear the word "crazy" thrown around, as a matter of course, including by journalists and pundits who are supposed to know better. "He did THAT, so he MUST be CRAZY!" Sorry, but I, for one, require legal specificity of the actor's mens rea, or, in the alternative, clinical specificity of the actor's psychiatric status.

    Simply knowing a constellation of a mass killer's attitudes and beliefs does not necessarily tell me the specific motivation(s) for his resultant intentions, and eventual behaviors. When Omar Mateen goes to great length to explain why he is doing what he is doing, I have a strong tendency to accept his proclamations, rather than Loretta Lynch's "we may never know what really made him do it" schtick.

    If Mateen were intending to kill homosexuals specifically because they were sinners, rather than infidels in general, I assume that he would have said something to that effect, during his hours-long standoff, in both his 9-1-1 calls and his online postings. (The FBI has reportedly found NO credible evidence, by the way, to support the numerous claims that Mateen was either a closeted gay or a bisexual!)
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  110. @Autochthon
    I can attest from personal experience both in my neighbourhood and place of employment that supporting Mr. Trump subjects one to being ostracised, scorned, insulted, harassed, and so on by both other private persons and agents of the government.

    If you’re American, why do you use British spelling? If you use British spelling, then why not British punctuation?

    (A Brit would have written Mr Trump and would have omitted the comma before and so on.)

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    He might be Canadian.
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  111. Hacienda says:
    @Olorin
    A data point missing from your snark is that smoking, car accidents, stairway falls, and bovine mishaps generally result from people not paying attention or themselves choosing something reckless.

    (Though many car accidents are unavoidable when too much stupid gathers in one place and is propelling itself along in a ton of steel.)

    Many of the deaths from stairway falls are fragile elders for whom any fall is life-threatening.

    I knew two people killed by bulls. In both cases they were being so stupid and mean that the widespread view was that the bull was possessed by Mr. Darwin and James Herriot.

    I knew three people kicked in the haid by cows. Two of them were hourly workers at milking parlors and treated the animals nastily. The third was heat-checking her in a most non-gentlemanly way, and one can hardly blame her for her reaction.

    But I do agree that mass shootings get disproportionate media attention.

    Still, don't despair. The globalistas are in the process of figuring out how to realize their agenda of destroying the private car and uses of it. The better to control mobility with and engineer diversitopia.

    More statistical geography than snark. “We have to be smart”.

    Stairways are death traps for old people and Steve’s readership.

    I fear globalism, not the globalist, who have little control over anything.
    I do respect a cow’s kick:

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    My grandfather worked a dairy farm in Mississippi in the 60s. He got a blood clot in his leg from where it kicked him.
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  112. Bee says:
    @Jefferson
    "If you correct for age of shooters (young men) and socioeconomic class of shooters (maybe poorer), is 64% non-white that much different from the USA’s demographics in that stratum?"

    The U.S is not 64 percent Nonwhite.

    He meant Americans who are, say, under 30 or so, who take up most of shooters. In which case they’re almost surely less than 50% white. Exact number is difficult.

    If you adjust for the overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists, the numbers probably correspond to the young American demographics, yes.

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  113. syonredux says:
    @D. K.
    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664....

    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664…

    .

    On the other hand, the USA was as yet unborn in 1664……

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    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O'Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.
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  114. snorlax says:
    @Stan Adams
    If you're American, why do you use British spelling? If you use British spelling, then why not British punctuation?

    (A Brit would have written Mr Trump and would have omitted the comma before and so on.)

    He might be Canadian.

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    Maybe.

    I see a lot of commenters here who claim to be American, or who seem to be - they say "we" or "our" when talking about American issues - but who use non-American spelling. It bothers me.

    I am unabashedly American, and I am not afraid or ashamed to advertise my American-ness. If you live in the United States, then you should do things the American way.

    If you've never lived in an American city where English-speakers are second- if not third-class citizens, then you might not be able to understand why this issue means so much to me.

    My red-pill thinking on immigration stems from having spent my entire life around immigrants, many of whom cannot speak English even after having lived in the U.S. for decades. They come over here and they act as if they own the place. Indeed, I have heard people say this out loud: "We" - meaning the immigrants - "own this town. You" - meaning native-born Americans - "can't do anything about it."

    Many of them have a chip on their shoulder about "Anglos" - a loose term referring to all non-Hispanic whites. They like to go on power trips where they can show you that they have the upper hand.

    Americans speak American English. If you don't speak American English, then you're not fully American.

    Some time ago, I read the memoirs of a man who came to the U.S. from Eastern Europe as a child. He once lost a spelling bee because his father's dictionary, printed in the old country, used British spellings. He was highly disappointed, but the experience taught him the importance of full and total assimilation.

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  115. Bee says:
    @Anonymous

    Kamikaze killers are aptly named, in that they are largely committed by foreign or non-traditional Americans.
     
    Blacks are more traditionally American than someone with a surname like "Lanza". When you group the blacks with the other Americans, the ratio becomes closer to 50-50.

    Adam Lanza was very American. A Mayflower descendant. Although he was also of one quarter Italian descent, yes.

    http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dowfam3&id=I427112

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  116. Jefferson says:
    @D. K.
    How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?

    “How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?”

    Going by your retarded logic, there should be a lot of Japanese American mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima. There should be a lot of Jewish mass shooters in Germany as revenge for the Holocaust.

    Also why are Islamic terrorists attacking Belgium for example? Is Belgium dropping bombs on Muslim nations?

    Islam is an extremely backwards religion, this is 100 percent fact. Hence the vast overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists and mass shooters in The U.S.

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    Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.
    , @D. K.
    The purpose of political terrorism, by the way, is not revenge-- let alone generations after the fact! (There are some ethno-religious types who do specialize in that-- as some German nonagenarians may well attest....) The genuine purpose of political terrorism is to terrify a targeted population to the point of its forcing its own government to change its relevant public policy-- e.g., to stop the bombing or the occupying of the country at issue.
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  117. Shareef Allman, 2011, Cupertino quarry killings… he killed 3, but he sprayed a room full of people and wounded 7 more. He was on the loose for more than 24 hours and shot a woman whose car he tried to hijack. Evwntually the cops caught up to him and in gun fire he died….

    Whatever forces, Democratic I suppose, sprang to action and he was depicted widely in the media as a Civil Rights worker (he had interviewed Jesse Jackson a few times for a little cable show he had had) whose life had taken a bad turn.

    Bad turn? He killed people. Both ex wives had restraining orders against him.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cupertino+quarry+shooting+2011&oq=cupertino+quarry+shooting+2011&aqs=chrome..69i57.13485j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=shareef+allman

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  118. Jefferson says:

    “But still, I hadn’t been aware that only 36% of mass shooters were regular American white guys, and I’m reasonably well-informed.”

    Steve Sailer so even you overestimated how violent Non Muslim White males are.

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  119. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    "How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?"

    Going by your retarded logic, there should be a lot of Japanese American mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima. There should be a lot of Jewish mass shooters in Germany as revenge for the Holocaust.

    Also why are Islamic terrorists attacking Belgium for example? Is Belgium dropping bombs on Muslim nations?

    Islam is an extremely backwards religion, this is 100 percent fact. Hence the vast overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists and mass shooters in The U.S.

    Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.

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    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Belgium also has a history as a colonial power.
    , @Jefferson
    "Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia."

    Destroying several Muslim countries? The vast majority of Muslim countries were already 3rd World shitholes before George W. Bush came into power, genius. Also why did they attack Brussels international airport & metro and not the NATO headquarters huh genius? If their beef with Belgium is only that thry house NATO like you claim.

    The few Muslim countries that are not 3rd World is only due to oil. If The United Arab Emirates for example did not have oil, they would be more dirt poor than Brazil.

    Without oil, Islam is not capable of creating prosperous 1st World societies because it is an inferior religion.

    Also why did you dodge my Jew and Japanese question? Why was there never any epidemic in the history of the West of Jewish and Japanese mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima and the Holocaust?

    Is it because the Japanese and the Jews are more civilized than Muslims?

    Also why did Islamic terrorists attack France? France is not actively involved in the war on terror and neither is Spain which was also attacked by Islamic Jihadists.

    , @biz
    9/11 and a bunch of other terrorist attacks happened before any of the recent Western wars in Muslim countries.

    Shitty excuse, sorry. Muslims are attacking the West for only one reason: because they believe that their religion tells them to, and they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise if they kill infidels.

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  120. HA says:
    @AndrewR
    Why does he identify as a Democrat at all? He lacks the necessary delusions and hatreds. A rich, white, muscular, non-PC, honest, race realist(ish) male Democrat? I just don't get it...

    >“Why does he identify as a Democrat at all?”

    He’s a tongue-in-cheek Democrat. At least, that’s what he wants Trump supporters to think.

    “I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety.”…

    Mr. Adams…explained that Mrs. Clinton’s supporters have “convinced” him that his safety would be at risk if he was viewed as supportive of Mr. Trump.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/7/scott-adams-dilbert-creator-endorses-hillary-clint/

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  121. Jefferson says:

    The Gay Filipino Jose Antonio Vargas was on Megyn Kelly defending Islam, by stating that there are more White male terrorists than there are Muslim terrorists, lol. Where the hell does he get his lies from? The Southern Poverty Law Center?

    Hearing a Homo defend Islam is like hearing a Jew defend Adolf Hitler. There is a reason why Gay pride parades do not exist in Muslim countries, they would all get slaughtered on the streets.

    Also all terrorist attacks in The Philippines are committed by the Muslim minority in the Southern regiom of that nation. So why would Jose view Islam theough rose colored lenses? Unless Jose himself is a Filipino Muslim and not a Filipino Catholic.

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  122. @D. K.
    Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.

    Belgium also has a history as a colonial power.

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  123. Jefferson says:
    @D. K.
    Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.

    “Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.”

    Destroying several Muslim countries? The vast majority of Muslim countries were already 3rd World shitholes before George W. Bush came into power, genius. Also why did they attack Brussels international airport & metro and not the NATO headquarters huh genius? If their beef with Belgium is only that thry house NATO like you claim.

    The few Muslim countries that are not 3rd World is only due to oil. If The United Arab Emirates for example did not have oil, they would be more dirt poor than Brazil.

    Without oil, Islam is not capable of creating prosperous 1st World societies because it is an inferior religion.

    Also why did you dodge my Jew and Japanese question? Why was there never any epidemic in the history of the West of Jewish and Japanese mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima and the Holocaust?

    Is it because the Japanese and the Jews are more civilized than Muslims?

    Also why did Islamic terrorists attack France? France is not actively involved in the war on terror and neither is Spain which was also attacked by Islamic Jihadists.

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    You think that a Third World country is not appreciably worse off when it is subjected (by rich outside powers, like the United States and Saudi Arabia) to years of civil war?

    You think that the headquarters of the world's most powerful military alliance would have been a better terrorist target, for the dwindling number of members of an internationally hunted terrorist cell, than an international airport's ticket lines and a subway train, during rush hour?

    You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism? On your next visit to Yad Vashem, gaze out over the ruins of Dier Yassin:

    http://www.deiryassin.org/

    Be sure to book your stay at the 5-star King David Hotel!

    You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Horrors-Japanese-Transitions-Asia-America/dp/0813327180

    I already had discussed the nature of terrorism, in a second reply to your previous comment. It is not a method of revenge; it is a method of asymmetrical warfare, generally directed at civilians rather than military personnel.

    Why did Islamic terrorists attack France-- other than the long-and-often-infamous colonial history of France, in Africa and the Middle East? Might it have anything to do with France's publicly announcing its solidarity with the United States, after 9/11? Might it have anything to do with President Sarkozy's reintegrating France into NATO, in 2009? Might it have anything to do with Sarkozy's then leading the charge of NATO into Libya, in 2011? Might it have anything to do with France's embrace of the War on Terror when the Syrian civil war was heating up, a few years ago?

    http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/france-embraces-the-war-terror-8677

    Might it have to do with France's publicly declaring its own War on Terror, in January 2015?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/france-declares-its-own-war-on-terror/384409/

    No, Jefferson, I just cannot imagine why Islamic terrorists attacked Paris, last November 13....

    The attack on Spain, in 2004, is assumed to have been motivated by Spanish participation in the Iraq War. That participation was ended when the attack propelled the Socialists, who already had been campaigning on a promised troop withdrawal, to overcome a five-point deficit, three days after the attack, to win the election by five points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
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  124. biz says:
    @D. K.
    Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia.

    9/11 and a bunch of other terrorist attacks happened before any of the recent Western wars in Muslim countries.

    Shitty excuse, sorry. Muslims are attacking the West for only one reason: because they believe that their religion tells them to, and they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise if they kill infidels.

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    How old were you when Margaret Thatcher famously gave George H. W. Bush a "backbone transplant," in August 1990? The Gulf War and its aftermath were what made the United States a prime target for Islamic terrorism.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/enemy-detention/al-qaeda-declarations
    , @Triumph104
    Muslims don't want Westerners on their land. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings
    , @PiltdownMan
    It's interesting to see the tape being rewound to Gulf War II, then 9/11, then Gulf War I, and Lebanon as the origin point of the 'Muslim grudge against Western invasion of their lands.'

    Surely, the Ur-grudge goes back to 1948 and the establishment of Israel, which Muslims tend to view as the original, first, invasion of their land by the West?

    Or maybe it goes all the way back to Herzl and the time when the first Ashkenazis from Europe started moving to the Levant five decades previously?

    As the Derb once observed, and not just in relation to Islam and the West, peoples can "hold paper", i.e. grudges, against other peoples for centuries, even millenia.
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  125. @dearieme
    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    “Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War,”

    Which “War”?

    The one against Iraq? Libya? Syria? Yemen?

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  126. @snorlax
    He might be Canadian.

    Maybe.

    I see a lot of commenters here who claim to be American, or who seem to be – they say “we” or “our” when talking about American issues – but who use non-American spelling. It bothers me.

    I am unabashedly American, and I am not afraid or ashamed to advertise my American-ness. If you live in the United States, then you should do things the American way.

    If you’ve never lived in an American city where English-speakers are second- if not third-class citizens, then you might not be able to understand why this issue means so much to me.

    My red-pill thinking on immigration stems from having spent my entire life around immigrants, many of whom cannot speak English even after having lived in the U.S. for decades. They come over here and they act as if they own the place. Indeed, I have heard people say this out loud: “We” – meaning the immigrants – “own this town. You” – meaning native-born Americans – “can’t do anything about it.”

    Many of them have a chip on their shoulder about “Anglos” – a loose term referring to all non-Hispanic whites. They like to go on power trips where they can show you that they have the upper hand.

    Americans speak American English. If you don’t speak American English, then you’re not fully American.

    Some time ago, I read the memoirs of a man who came to the U.S. from Eastern Europe as a child. He once lost a spelling bee because his father’s dictionary, printed in the old country, used British spellings. He was highly disappointed, but the experience taught him the importance of full and total assimilation.

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  127. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    "How many Hindu countries are we currently bombing to make the world safe for Zionism?"

    Going by your retarded logic, there should be a lot of Japanese American mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima. There should be a lot of Jewish mass shooters in Germany as revenge for the Holocaust.

    Also why are Islamic terrorists attacking Belgium for example? Is Belgium dropping bombs on Muslim nations?

    Islam is an extremely backwards religion, this is 100 percent fact. Hence the vast overrepresentation of Muslim terrorists and mass shooters in The U.S.

    The purpose of political terrorism, by the way, is not revenge– let alone generations after the fact! (There are some ethno-religious types who do specialize in that– as some German nonagenarians may well attest….) The genuine purpose of political terrorism is to terrify a targeted population to the point of its forcing its own government to change its relevant public policy– e.g., to stop the bombing or the occupying of the country at issue.

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    Cf Lenin's alleged remark, " the purpose of terrorism is to terrorize."
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  128. D. K. says:
    @syonredux

    Funny, that is very much how my first American ancestors felt, living in New Amsterdam, back in the late summer of 1664…
     
    .

    On the other hand, the USA was as yet unborn in 1664......

    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O’Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.

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    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O’Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.
     
    Who was, of course, working for the Spanish....
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  129. jackson says:

    Here’s a comprehensive view of the representation of mass shooters by race, based on the execrable anti-white Mother Jones’s own mass shooters database.

    View post on imgur.com

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  130. D. K. says:
    @biz
    9/11 and a bunch of other terrorist attacks happened before any of the recent Western wars in Muslim countries.

    Shitty excuse, sorry. Muslims are attacking the West for only one reason: because they believe that their religion tells them to, and they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise if they kill infidels.

    How old were you when Margaret Thatcher famously gave George H. W. Bush a “backbone transplant,” in August 1990? The Gulf War and its aftermath were what made the United States a prime target for Islamic terrorism.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/enemy-detention/al-qaeda-declarations

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  131. @Some Economist
    Just tacking on more information about Sarkar here:

    Nationality: Indian
    Ethnicity: Bengali
    Religion: Islam

    Killed former PhD advisor and estranged wife (both white Americans).

    Religion: Islam

    According to various comments in the Indian papers, Mainak Sarkar appears to have been Hindu, not Muslim. One comment refers to him as “that crazy brahmin”. A newspaper article says his father was a Satyen Sarkar. I once dealt with a guy in finance with that first name. He was a Hindu.

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160604/jsp/frontpage/story_89304.jsp#.V2yjlRJ7XQQ

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  132. The Afghani (Mateen) and the Arab shooters would be counted as White by the US government , because the gov. does not apply “White” to Europeans only , like it ought to.

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    That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as "The Flight from White" rolls on....
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  133. […] 1. The Die-versity of recent mass shootings (Steve) […]

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  134. D. K. says:
    @Nope
    Well, he was, you know, crazy.

    John Houser (the guy who shot up the movie theatre in Loisiana) and Elliot Rodger (Isla Vista shooter) both also expressed white supremacist views, yet mainly targeted white people.

    As a former attorney, I know what “insanity” is. As someone with a Master of Science degree in Personality & Social Psychology, I know what “psychosis” is. As a former English major, however, I know that “crazy” is essentially just an ambiguous (and usually hyperbolic) slang term, when applied to human cognition.

    After every mass shooting, I do indeed hear the word “crazy” thrown around, as a matter of course, including by journalists and pundits who are supposed to know better. “He did THAT, so he MUST be CRAZY!” Sorry, but I, for one, require legal specificity of the actor’s mens rea, or, in the alternative, clinical specificity of the actor’s psychiatric status.

    Simply knowing a constellation of a mass killer’s attitudes and beliefs does not necessarily tell me the specific motivation(s) for his resultant intentions, and eventual behaviors. When Omar Mateen goes to great length to explain why he is doing what he is doing, I have a strong tendency to accept his proclamations, rather than Loretta Lynch’s “we may never know what really made him do it” schtick.

    If Mateen were intending to kill homosexuals specifically because they were sinners, rather than infidels in general, I assume that he would have said something to that effect, during his hours-long standoff, in both his 9-1-1 calls and his online postings. (The FBI has reportedly found NO credible evidence, by the way, to support the numerous claims that Mateen was either a closeted gay or a bisexual!)

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  135. D. K. says:
    @greysquirrell
    The Afghani (Mateen) and the Arab shooters would be counted as White by the US government , because the gov. does not apply "White" to Europeans only , like it ought to.

    That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as “The Flight from White” rolls on….

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    "That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as “The Flight from White” rolls on…."

    The less 3rd World ethnic groups that are lumped into the White race, the better. I don't want to racially claim an ethnic group that has a disproportionate number of terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, and lazy welfare leeches. Muslims in Europe are lazier and thus have a higher unemployment rate than The U.S's NAM population.
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  136. Salger says:
    @bomag
    (In shootings with four or more casualties) nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black.

    Holy sh*t. I've heard it was bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad.

    They don’t fit the narrative. Having some abnormal European man (and yes, the European mass shooters who get the media attention have a habit of being abnormal) shoot in a school or whatever helps to demonize whatever is being used for the pet crusade (European men, video games, etc.). Michael shooting Tyrone, Jemal, and Abdul doesn’t.

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  137. @biz
    9/11 and a bunch of other terrorist attacks happened before any of the recent Western wars in Muslim countries.

    Shitty excuse, sorry. Muslims are attacking the West for only one reason: because they believe that their religion tells them to, and they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise if they kill infidels.

    Muslims don’t want Westerners on their land. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

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    Nobody like foreigners on their land but that doesn't explain why Muslims in the West are violent.
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  138. Neoconned says:
    @Hacienda
    More statistical geography than snark. "We have to be smart".

    Stairways are death traps for old people and Steve's readership.

    I fear globalism, not the globalist, who have little control over anything.
    I do respect a cow's kick:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PtADvf4K_U

    My grandfather worked a dairy farm in Mississippi in the 60s. He got a blood clot in his leg from where it kicked him.

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  139. @Stan Adams

    brave salt-of-the-earth types who sacrificed their lives fighting enemy soldiers
     
    "Grandma, have I ever told you how glad I am that brave salt-of-the-earth kamikaze pilots rammed Grandpa's ship, sending him and his buddies to a watery grave, and leaving you a widow? Don't you admire their courage?"

    (My grandfather served in the Navy during the Korean War. It's a good thing the North Koreans weren't lining up to fly their planes into American ships, or I might not even be here.)

    Your comments don’t make sense. I didn’t say I was glad Americans died.

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    But you admire the bravery and courage of men who killed Americans. Even in wartime, you can't separate bravery and courage from suicidal/homicidal impulse.

    It's like saying, "I admire the gallantry of the British and American pilots who braved German anti-aircraft defenses to fire-bomb Dresden ... but I don't think that so many German civilians should have died." That's a cop-out.

    Either you accept that the Dresdeners' deaths were necessary or at least unavoidable (by your standard), or you say "Fuck 'em - they were Nazi krauts," or you acknowledge that they should not have died in the way that they did.

    So, when it comes to the kamikaze pilots, either you accept that the deaths of the American sailors were warranted by the circumstances, or that the dirty Yanks' lives didn't matter, or that our boys were murdered by suicidal maniacs. You have to pick one of those three.

    There is nothing noble about war. It reduces all men to savages operating on the basest law of the jungle: "Kill or be killed."

    Over the millennia, how many young men have been seduced by the "bravery and honor" bullshit into marching to their doom?

    Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that we shouldn't honor the sacrifice of those who served. But we shouldn't applaud the nihilism of young men who lined up to off themselves in service of a doomed cause.

    Suicide is painless, but it's also overrated.

    (That being said, if I found myself in a situation where I had to kill or be killed, I would have no trouble doing the former. Would I off myself to save my homeland from invasion? I might, but I'll never lift a finger to make the world safe for tranny bathroom rights. And that's what we're fighting for right now.)

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  140. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    "Muslims are attacking the West because the West is destroying several Muslim countries, genius. Belgium, happens to be home to NATO, which destroyed Libya, inter alia."

    Destroying several Muslim countries? The vast majority of Muslim countries were already 3rd World shitholes before George W. Bush came into power, genius. Also why did they attack Brussels international airport & metro and not the NATO headquarters huh genius? If their beef with Belgium is only that thry house NATO like you claim.

    The few Muslim countries that are not 3rd World is only due to oil. If The United Arab Emirates for example did not have oil, they would be more dirt poor than Brazil.

    Without oil, Islam is not capable of creating prosperous 1st World societies because it is an inferior religion.

    Also why did you dodge my Jew and Japanese question? Why was there never any epidemic in the history of the West of Jewish and Japanese mass shooters as revenge for Hiroshima and the Holocaust?

    Is it because the Japanese and the Jews are more civilized than Muslims?

    Also why did Islamic terrorists attack France? France is not actively involved in the war on terror and neither is Spain which was also attacked by Islamic Jihadists.

    You think that a Third World country is not appreciably worse off when it is subjected (by rich outside powers, like the United States and Saudi Arabia) to years of civil war?

    You think that the headquarters of the world’s most powerful military alliance would have been a better terrorist target, for the dwindling number of members of an internationally hunted terrorist cell, than an international airport’s ticket lines and a subway train, during rush hour?

    You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism? On your next visit to Yad Vashem, gaze out over the ruins of Dier Yassin:

    http://www.deiryassin.org/

    Be sure to book your stay at the 5-star King David Hotel!

    You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Horrors-Japanese-Transitions-Asia-America/dp/0813327180

    I already had discussed the nature of terrorism, in a second reply to your previous comment. It is not a method of revenge; it is a method of asymmetrical warfare, generally directed at civilians rather than military personnel.

    Why did Islamic terrorists attack France– other than the long-and-often-infamous colonial history of France, in Africa and the Middle East? Might it have anything to do with France’s publicly announcing its solidarity with the United States, after 9/11? Might it have anything to do with President Sarkozy’s reintegrating France into NATO, in 2009? Might it have anything to do with Sarkozy’s then leading the charge of NATO into Libya, in 2011? Might it have anything to do with France’s embrace of the War on Terror when the Syrian civil war was heating up, a few years ago?

    http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/france-embraces-the-war-terror-8677

    Might it have to do with France’s publicly declaring its own War on Terror, in January 2015?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/france-declares-its-own-war-on-terror/384409/

    No, Jefferson, I just cannot imagine why Islamic terrorists attacked Paris, last November 13….

    The attack on Spain, in 2004, is assumed to have been motivated by Spanish participation in the Iraq War. That participation was ended when the attack propelled the Socialists, who already had been campaigning on a promised troop withdrawal, to overcome a five-point deficit, three days after the attack, to win the election by five points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

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    “You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism?”

    Why are there vastly more Muslim terrorists and mass shooters than there are Jewish ones, even though Jews outnumber Muslims in The U.S. Why are there no Goldbergs and Horowitzs in the list of deadliest mass shooter perpetrators?

    “You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    If Japanese people are just as equally likely as Muslims to become terrorists, why doesn’t Donald Trump if he becomes POTUS not want to put a temporary ban on all Japanese people from entering The U.S until he figures things out?
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  141. Jefferson says:
    @D. K.
    That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as "The Flight from White" rolls on....

    “That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as “The Flight from White” rolls on….”

    The less 3rd World ethnic groups that are lumped into the White race, the better. I don’t want to racially claim an ethnic group that has a disproportionate number of terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, and lazy welfare leeches. Muslims in Europe are lazier and thus have a higher unemployment rate than The U.S’s NAM population.

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    Most of America's "swarthy Mediterranean types" do not descend from Muslim communities in North Africa and the Middle East. Regardless, the more Americans who are allowed to designate themselves officially as not being "White or Caucasian," the more anti-White Affirmative Action discrimination to which the rest of us will be subjected.
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  142. Brutusale says:
    @dearieme
    Five British MPs have been assassinated since The War, four of them by terrorists funded by white Americans.

    A lot of idiots in the Southie bars bought the NORAID bullshit that the money was being used to support the families of the “political prisoners” like the late, unlamented Bobby Sands.

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  143. Svigor says:

    Deaths from smoking last 10 years: 4.8 million

    Car accidents: 3.5 million

    Death by stairway falls: 60,000

    Death by cows: 200

    Steve’s mass shooting list: 161

    That’s right. You have a better chance of being killed by a cow than the mass shooter here. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    Here’s how the conversation goes:

    “OMG! We have to trample the Constitutional Rights of all Americans RIGHT NOW! Crazy white males are still on their deadly rampage!”

    “Sorry, they’re mostly crazy non-white males.”

    That’s how judo works. You attack your enemy’s weak point. The “deadly rampage” part is not the weak point.

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  144. Svigor says:

    In fact, you’ve kind of reinforced my point; you’ve moved to protect non-white rep by throwing the deadly rampage under the bus.

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  145. Svigor says:

    If Mateen were intending to kill homosexuals specifically because they were sinners, rather than infidels in general, I assume that he would have said something to that effect, during his hours-long standoff, in both his 9-1-1 calls and his online postings. (The FBI has reportedly found NO credible evidence, by the way, to support the numerous claims that Mateen was either a closeted gay or a bisexual!)

    Other than the multiple witnesses who said the Muslim scum liked to hang out with homosexuals, and went to gay bars for years. But you’re right, nothing about that screams “closeted homosexual” or anything.

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    Read it and weep:

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87663610/
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  146. Svigor says:

    Oh, to include his ex-wife, who, although admittedly high in flakey quotient, waited all of about 12 hours after the aforementioned witness statements to announce to the world that the Muslim scum was gay.

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  147. @Chrisnonymous
    Your comments don't make sense. I didn't say I was glad Americans died.

    But you admire the bravery and courage of men who killed Americans. Even in wartime, you can’t separate bravery and courage from suicidal/homicidal impulse.

    It’s like saying, “I admire the gallantry of the British and American pilots who braved German anti-aircraft defenses to fire-bomb Dresden … but I don’t think that so many German civilians should have died.” That’s a cop-out.

    Either you accept that the Dresdeners’ deaths were necessary or at least unavoidable (by your standard), or you say “Fuck ‘em – they were Nazi krauts,” or you acknowledge that they should not have died in the way that they did.

    So, when it comes to the kamikaze pilots, either you accept that the deaths of the American sailors were warranted by the circumstances, or that the dirty Yanks’ lives didn’t matter, or that our boys were murdered by suicidal maniacs. You have to pick one of those three.

    There is nothing noble about war. It reduces all men to savages operating on the basest law of the jungle: “Kill or be killed.”

    Over the millennia, how many young men have been seduced by the “bravery and honor” bullshit into marching to their doom?

    Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying that we shouldn’t honor the sacrifice of those who served. But we shouldn’t applaud the nihilism of young men who lined up to off themselves in service of a doomed cause.

    Suicide is painless, but it’s also overrated.

    (That being said, if I found myself in a situation where I had to kill or be killed, I would have no trouble doing the former. Would I off myself to save my homeland from invasion? I might, but I’ll never lift a finger to make the world safe for tranny bathroom rights. And that’s what we’re fighting for right now.)

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  148. @Wilkey
    "But zero Indians. Somehow you don’t seem to mention that. A pretty big exception, there don’t you think ?"

    So? Indians are maybe 1-2% of the population - a much smaller share than lots of other ethnicities that also don't appear on the list. There are only 25 mass shootings listed, and 16 by minorities. It's nice but hardly surprising that an ethnic group less than 2% of the population doesn't appear.

    Indians?

    Dot or How?

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  149. D. K. says:
    @Svigor

    If Mateen were intending to kill homosexuals specifically because they were sinners, rather than infidels in general, I assume that he would have said something to that effect, during his hours-long standoff, in both his 9-1-1 calls and his online postings. (The FBI has reportedly found NO credible evidence, by the way, to support the numerous claims that Mateen was either a closeted gay or a bisexual!)
     
    Other than the multiple witnesses who said the Muslim scum liked to hang out with homosexuals, and went to gay bars for years. But you're right, nothing about that screams "closeted homosexual" or anything.
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  150. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    "That is likely to be remedied in the 2020 Census, as “The Flight from White” rolls on…."

    The less 3rd World ethnic groups that are lumped into the White race, the better. I don't want to racially claim an ethnic group that has a disproportionate number of terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, and lazy welfare leeches. Muslims in Europe are lazier and thus have a higher unemployment rate than The U.S's NAM population.

    Most of America’s “swarthy Mediterranean types” do not descend from Muslim communities in North Africa and the Middle East. Regardless, the more Americans who are allowed to designate themselves officially as not being “White or Caucasian,” the more anti-White Affirmative Action discrimination to which the rest of us will be subjected.

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  151. biz says:
    @Triumph104
    Muslims don't want Westerners on their land. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

    Nobody like foreigners on their land but that doesn’t explain why Muslims in the West are violent.

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  152. D. K. says:
    @D. K.
    OT:

    Armed attacker in German movie-theater attack reportedly has been killed, after "injuring" at least 25 patrons or personnel. No word yet on whether this was a terrorist attack, or simply a criminal act.

    This story utterly disappeared from the American media, yesterday afternoon– perhaps faster than any such story that I can recall!?! Here is a revealing-if-inconclusive follow-up:

    http://la-kabylie.com/2016/06/25/german-cinema-shooting-was-not-terrorist-attack-sources-say/

    It sounds like it was most likely a planned suicide-by-cop, carried out by a mentally ill man.

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  153. @biz
    9/11 and a bunch of other terrorist attacks happened before any of the recent Western wars in Muslim countries.

    Shitty excuse, sorry. Muslims are attacking the West for only one reason: because they believe that their religion tells them to, and they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise if they kill infidels.

    It’s interesting to see the tape being rewound to Gulf War II, then 9/11, then Gulf War I, and Lebanon as the origin point of the ‘Muslim grudge against Western invasion of their lands.’

    Surely, the Ur-grudge goes back to 1948 and the establishment of Israel, which Muslims tend to view as the original, first, invasion of their land by the West?

    Or maybe it goes all the way back to Herzl and the time when the first Ashkenazis from Europe started moving to the Levant five decades previously?

    As the Derb once observed, and not just in relation to Islam and the West, peoples can “hold paper”, i.e. grudges, against other peoples for centuries, even millenia.

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    Doesn't it go back to the Crusades?
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  154. @PiltdownMan
    It's interesting to see the tape being rewound to Gulf War II, then 9/11, then Gulf War I, and Lebanon as the origin point of the 'Muslim grudge against Western invasion of their lands.'

    Surely, the Ur-grudge goes back to 1948 and the establishment of Israel, which Muslims tend to view as the original, first, invasion of their land by the West?

    Or maybe it goes all the way back to Herzl and the time when the first Ashkenazis from Europe started moving to the Levant five decades previously?

    As the Derb once observed, and not just in relation to Islam and the West, peoples can "hold paper", i.e. grudges, against other peoples for centuries, even millenia.

    Doesn’t it go back to the Crusades?

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  155. Jefferson says:
    @D. K.
    You think that a Third World country is not appreciably worse off when it is subjected (by rich outside powers, like the United States and Saudi Arabia) to years of civil war?

    You think that the headquarters of the world's most powerful military alliance would have been a better terrorist target, for the dwindling number of members of an internationally hunted terrorist cell, than an international airport's ticket lines and a subway train, during rush hour?

    You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism? On your next visit to Yad Vashem, gaze out over the ruins of Dier Yassin:

    http://www.deiryassin.org/

    Be sure to book your stay at the 5-star King David Hotel!

    You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Horrors-Japanese-Transitions-Asia-America/dp/0813327180

    I already had discussed the nature of terrorism, in a second reply to your previous comment. It is not a method of revenge; it is a method of asymmetrical warfare, generally directed at civilians rather than military personnel.

    Why did Islamic terrorists attack France-- other than the long-and-often-infamous colonial history of France, in Africa and the Middle East? Might it have anything to do with France's publicly announcing its solidarity with the United States, after 9/11? Might it have anything to do with President Sarkozy's reintegrating France into NATO, in 2009? Might it have anything to do with Sarkozy's then leading the charge of NATO into Libya, in 2011? Might it have anything to do with France's embrace of the War on Terror when the Syrian civil war was heating up, a few years ago?

    http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/france-embraces-the-war-terror-8677

    Might it have to do with France's publicly declaring its own War on Terror, in January 2015?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/france-declares-its-own-war-on-terror/384409/

    No, Jefferson, I just cannot imagine why Islamic terrorists attacked Paris, last November 13....

    The attack on Spain, in 2004, is assumed to have been motivated by Spanish participation in the Iraq War. That participation was ended when the attack propelled the Socialists, who already had been campaigning on a promised troop withdrawal, to overcome a five-point deficit, three days after the attack, to win the election by five points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

    “You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism?”

    Why are there vastly more Muslim terrorists and mass shooters than there are Jewish ones, even though Jews outnumber Muslims in The U.S. Why are there no Goldbergs and Horowitzs in the list of deadliest mass shooter perpetrators?

    “You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    If Japanese people are just as equally likely as Muslims to become terrorists, why doesn’t Donald Trump if he becomes POTUS not want to put a temporary ban on all Japanese people from entering The U.S until he figures things out?

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    What would be the political purpose of Jewish or Japanese terrorism directed against Americans qua Americans, Jefferson? The War on Terror is NOT a war on the Jews or the Japanese! The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, et al., have not been wars against the Jews or the Japanese.
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  156. syonredux says:
    @D. K.
    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O'Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.

    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O’Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.

    Who was, of course, working for the Spanish….

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    Were you shocked and appalled, as a young scholar, to learn that the ungrateful mick had failed to enlist as cannon fodder in service to a lunatic British monarch?
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  157. syonredux says:
    @D. K.
    The purpose of political terrorism, by the way, is not revenge-- let alone generations after the fact! (There are some ethno-religious types who do specialize in that-- as some German nonagenarians may well attest....) The genuine purpose of political terrorism is to terrify a targeted population to the point of its forcing its own government to change its relevant public policy-- e.g., to stop the bombing or the occupying of the country at issue.

    Cf Lenin’s alleged remark, ” the purpose of terrorism is to terrorize.”

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    The Zodiac might have confessed to the same apolitical goal. So might a run-of-the-mill schoolyard bully. Without a political goal, deliberately terrorizing civilians is merely sadism. (I am one of those junior historians [B.A.] and psychologists [M.S.] who considers V. I. Lenin a sociopath, rather than a genius-- although, I do realize that our lawyerly friend down in Florida would scoff at my own lack of historical and psychometric insight.)
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  158. D. K. says:
    @Jefferson
    “You think that the Jews are too civilized to engage in terrorism?”

    Why are there vastly more Muslim terrorists and mass shooters than there are Jewish ones, even though Jews outnumber Muslims in The U.S. Why are there no Goldbergs and Horowitzs in the list of deadliest mass shooter perpetrators?

    “You think that the Japanese are too civilized to engage in terrorism?

    If Japanese people are just as equally likely as Muslims to become terrorists, why doesn’t Donald Trump if he becomes POTUS not want to put a temporary ban on all Japanese people from entering The U.S until he figures things out?

    What would be the political purpose of Jewish or Japanese terrorism directed against Americans qua Americans, Jefferson? The War on Terror is NOT a war on the Jews or the Japanese! The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, et al., have not been wars against the Jews or the Japanese.

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  159. D. K. says:
    @syonredux

    True, the United States of America was not founded until ten and a half months after Irishman Hugh O’Conor founded Tucson, in what is now the State of Arizona.
     
    Who was, of course, working for the Spanish....

    Were you shocked and appalled, as a young scholar, to learn that the ungrateful mick had failed to enlist as cannon fodder in service to a lunatic British monarch?

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  160. D. K. says:
    @syonredux
    Cf Lenin's alleged remark, " the purpose of terrorism is to terrorize."

    The Zodiac might have confessed to the same apolitical goal. So might a run-of-the-mill schoolyard bully. Without a political goal, deliberately terrorizing civilians is merely sadism. (I am one of those junior historians [B.A.] and psychologists [M.S.] who considers V. I. Lenin a sociopath, rather than a genius– although, I do realize that our lawyerly friend down in Florida would scoff at my own lack of historical and psychometric insight.)

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