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From the Scottish Daily Record:

Barcelona killers’ monstrous ‘Mother of Satan’ bomb was meant for terrorist ‘spectacular’ at Gaudi’s world famous cathedral

Terror gang who mowed down innocents on Las Rambla had stockpile of explosives and gas canisters intended for attack on the historic Sagrada Familia church and the city port, packed with cruise ships.

BY CRAIG MCDONALD
06:00, 20 AUG 2017 UPDATED14:14, 20 AUG 2017

On the other hand, I haven’t heard much about this story. The New York Times hasn’t reported it, for example. So is it not true or just not news that fits?

The astonishing sand-drip castle Holy Family church has been under construction since 1882. Evelyn Waugh wrote in 1930:

I feel it would be a graceful action on the part of someone who was a little wrong in the head to pay for its completion.

It is said to be on track for completion in 2026, the centenary of Antoni Gaudi’s death, unless it becomes a sacrifice to our Cult of Diversity first.

 
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  1. Achilles says:

    The New York Times hasn’t reported it, for example. So is it not true or just not news that fits?

    The MSM oligarchy don’t feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.

    The first Islamic terrorist attempt to take down the World Trade Center might well have killed 50,000 people if it had worked as intended. It wasn’t treated as an attack of that seriousness in the MSM.

    However, the plot to attack the Barcelona cathedral actually does seem to be getting some play in the media.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Rest assured that the next edition - and all subsequent editions - of The Economist magazine will include a rabid, fanatical, polemic *demanding* massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the west.
    , @cwhatfuture

    The MSM oligarchy don’t feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.
     
    The MSM oligarchy don't feel particularly forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are successful either. Coverage lasts at most a day or two now, and is always interspaced with "Muslims fear backlash" stories. Daniel Greenfield quoted the following three from Spain:

    "Muslims fear anti-Islam backlash in Spain after terror attacks"

    "Muslims fear anti-Islam backlash in tolerant Barcelona"

    "Muslims in Barcelona Fear Anti-Islam Backlash After IS Attack"

    If the Cathedral were to have been destroyed, the NY Times would have quoted architects claiming it was an eyesore and that city planners were glad to have the space opened up.
    , @Olorin
    The MSM resent these failed attacks at some level because it deprives them of the eyeballs you can get from extreme horror.

    To put it another way, mainstream media news is to a large extent snuff porn.

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  2. whorefinder says: • Website

    The only other comparable long-term “unfinished” church is the Anglican St. John the Divine Cathedral in NYC:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Divine

    Pretty weird neither are finished. I always figured the latter was unfinished because Anglicans stopped believing in their dogma and the money dried up and the remaining church folk didn’t care and were too busys arguing about who got to wear the red robes today and whether their tranny preachers were technically gay.

    But St. John the Divine does give tours, and it has some very nice medieval-style architecture. But, like most Anglican churches, it never really feels reverential inside. I’ve been on tours of churches where I didn’t know the faith there, and I could always tell the Catholic/Orthodox ones from the rest, even when the styles were similar. Quite frankly, I think the echoes of prayer and reverence hung about the Catholic/Orthodox ones, while the Anglican ones (who are the only ones who come close to Catholic/Orthodox in architecture) seem like some graduate student’s very well-done but soulless final project.

    About the only time I did feel confusion was when I visited churches that used to be Cathollic/Orthodox but got taken over by something else, such as Westminster Abbey. At first it felt reverential (especially the pre-Reformation graves), but gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to."

    Good. I'll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.
  3. Did the Terrorists in Barcelona Plot to Blow Up Gaudi’s Sagrada Familia Church?

    I’m pretty sure it’s racist to ask that question.

    And to call them terrorists. That’s reserved for white guys getting attacked by antifa.

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  4. Like statues in America, cathedrals are Stuff White People Built (SWPB) and therefore must be taken down.

    (The entire modern world is SWPB and is in the process of being taken down, either by force, decay, theft, or sale to China.)

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    • LOL: theo the kraut
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Anything that's of commercial value is going to the Chinese.
  5. I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring. Of all the beautiful architecture in Barcelona it is odd the terrorists chose that target. It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    You can probably read too much into that though, I suspect most terrorists are stupid and badly educated. They probably have no idea that European elites congregate elsewhere. They are just attacking happy people who make them feel bad about their own shitty lives.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring.
     
    Indeed, and I am one of those reactionaries who found the World Trade Center towers to be modernist eyesores in the Manhattan skyline.

    Giant 1970s stereo speakers they were. Could've played the loudest Van Halen ever.

    It's a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them "pulled."

    I expect our helpful Deep State Muslims to eventually apply an atomic solution to one of America's gentrifiable urban blights, thereby once again killing two birds: profitless urban real estate and any lull in American fear.

    , @Wilkey
    It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    Because if they attacked upper class targets then politicians might actually give a shit.

    Bomb kills 1,000 people at State U: "Don't less this be a threat to our belief in diversity!"
    Bomb kills 4 people at Stanford: "Time for another war!"

    I'm not sure that's actually the terrorists' intentions, though. They're just attacking the soft targets with lots of people around. There is no other target in America easier to hit than a bar at 2am filled with hundreds of drunk, tired patrons, gay or otherwise.
    , @c matt
    I am not the biggest fan of it either, but have not quite made my mind up about it yet. On the outside, it does have that "drip sand castle" look; on the inside, it reminds me of the skeletal structure of a fish or some sort of crab-leg like thing. Maybe Gaudi was going for an ocean-side theme?
    , @El Dato
    Well, let's just say that it's good that Gaudi didn't go for a huge H.R. Giger look.

    targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc.
     
    In culturally ironed-flat Europe, EVERYTHING is middle class.
  6. @Peter Akuleyev
    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring. Of all the beautiful architecture in Barcelona it is odd the terrorists chose that target. It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class - rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    You can probably read too much into that though, I suspect most terrorists are stupid and badly educated. They probably have no idea that European elites congregate elsewhere. They are just attacking happy people who make them feel bad about their own shitty lives.

    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring.

    Indeed, and I am one of those reactionaries who found the World Trade Center towers to be modernist eyesores in the Manhattan skyline.

    Giant 1970s stereo speakers they were. Could’ve played the loudest Van Halen ever.

    It’s a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them “pulled.”

    I expect our helpful Deep State Muslims to eventually apply an atomic solution to one of America’s gentrifiable urban blights, thereby once again killing two birds: profitless urban real estate and any lull in American fear.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It’s a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them “pulled.”

    He had a standard-issue short-term binder as he'd just assumed the 99-year lease on the property. And, of course, everyone knows that it was the secret society of Jewish paedophiles that Leo Frank belonged to which staged the 9/11 caper.
  7. Rod1963 says:

    News is whatever the editorial staff decides it is.

    If they decide something is not news, it vanishes.

    No one should think our papers or news stations are any different than Pravda, for they are most assuredly not.

    They are here for one reason. To mold how we think and act. Does anyone think the billionaires who took control our papers after the Ludlow Massacre are interested in keeping the little people informed? No.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The original source for the claim seems to be "[media outlet] has learned" (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elespanol.com%2Freportajes%2F20170819%2F240225983_0.html).

    A NYT correspondent talks to "a source briefed on the Barcelona inquiry", mentions the different, failed plots (but not their targets), points out the region is a terrorist hotbed (https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/898523564051226628).

    Daily Mail says of the imam who died in the bomb-making explosion: "Imam suspected of masterminding the Barcelona terrorist attacks travelled to Belgium three months before the Brussels bombing and was friends with Madrid train bombers."

    Some... guy... says local police ignored warnings to protect pedestrians (https://twitter.com/Debradelai/status/899024242884452352) and said there was "no operative, tactic or strategic information suggesting that there is any threat of terrorism in Catalunya regarding any specific point of interest or potential target.”

    Putting all that together, perhaps it's "just not news that fits" at some level of the Spanish authorities with egg on their faces.

  8. I was in Barcelona just three months ago. The level of tourist activity is astonishing. I hadn’t been for quite a few years. I got the feeling that many Americans are bypassing Paris now and Barcelona is much preferred.

    Last time I was there it was easy to pitch up and go into the Sagrada Familia, now you have to book well in advance. I stood outside the main entrance for a while and then across the road near a police van with some very well-armed tough hombres.

    But what I was surprised by was the lack of real security barriers, bollards, etc. that could have stopped a van. Hundreds of people were milling around exposed.

    It seems I was not the only one who noticed.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    An attack like this might be the only thing that gets the European elities attention. They don't care about the treasures of their own cultures, but if there is a legitimate threat to all the tourism revenue, they might actually be convinced to do something about the problem.
  9. Bubba says:

    Pope Francis’ immediate reaction was to wash the terrorists’ feet and thank them.

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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As I understand it, there are counter-intuitively few Muslims in southern Spain but lots in the north, especially Catalonia.

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    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
    It's my understanding that this was deliberate policy by the Catalan independistes who simultaneously discourage immigration from Spanish speaking latin america. I think the idea was roughly*

    1. bring in a bunch of moroccans et al (to make the rest of spain shit themselves)
    2. teach them catalan (and don't worry about spanish)
    3. ?
    4. More voters for independence!

    It never occurred to them that they wouldn't fit in in Catalonia any better than they do any other place in Europe.

    The leaders of Europe are motivated by equal measures of malice towards their own countries and sheer, unassailable stupidity regarding the reality of other , non-European, cultures. The results speak for themselves to anyone paying attention. Fortunately for the leaders the population is still obsessed with diverstiy pokemon and is largely coming to regard indigenous casualties as sacrifices needed for some glorious future point total.
    , @Rosh
    The north of Spain is much richer than the south.
    , @a reader
    Barcelona counts 1, 6 million residents, of which 500,000 are Muslim. (2012)

    Half of a half dozen of them appeared 3 days ago to show their solidarity.
  11. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rod1963
    News is whatever the editorial staff decides it is.

    If they decide something is not news, it vanishes.

    No one should think our papers or news stations are any different than Pravda, for they are most assuredly not.

    They are here for one reason. To mold how we think and act. Does anyone think the billionaires who took control our papers after the Ludlow Massacre are interested in keeping the little people informed? No.

    The original source for the claim seems to be “[media outlet] has learned” (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elespanol.com%2Freportajes%2F20170819%2F240225983_0.html).

    A NYT correspondent talks to “a source briefed on the Barcelona inquiry”, mentions the different, failed plots (but not their targets), points out the region is a terrorist hotbed (https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/898523564051226628).

    Daily Mail says of the imam who died in the bomb-making explosion: “Imam suspected of masterminding the Barcelona terrorist attacks travelled to Belgium three months before the Brussels bombing and was friends with Madrid train bombers.”

    Some… guy… says local police ignored warnings to protect pedestrians (https://twitter.com/Debradelai/status/899024242884452352) and said there was “no operative, tactic or strategic information suggesting that there is any threat of terrorism in Catalunya regarding any specific point of interest or potential target.”

    Putting all that together, perhaps it’s “just not news that fits” at some level of the Spanish authorities with egg on their faces.

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  12. wren says:

    I am glad I am not in the universe where they blew the cathedral or the Vatican or the Eiffel Tower, etc.

    I suspect that I will one day wake up to find myself there however.

    I noticed that some MSM had mentioned that the Charlottesville crazy actually had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and prescribed antipsychotics in addition to beating up his mom several times. That was a surprise.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Yes, Fields, had attacked his mother before, and, get this: his mother is a paraplegic! Mon Dieu! Not only is he schizophrenic , his father died when 5 he was months old. His mother's circumstances are going to ruin the narrative. Mental illness, paralyzed mother, dead father he never knew...will be tough to ignore once the trial begins. And, supposedly, the mother had made authorities aware that her son posed a danger to her and perhaps, others. Yikes. At this point, the media is gonna linger on the steaming pile of statues & justification for protests, focus on the dead woman, since it is ethically impossible to insist this guy is a rational human being. He will wind up in a psych ward, down the memory hole. There is an eerie similarity to the madness of A. Lanza....another killer with a desperate mother, trying to figure out what to do with him.
  13. “So is it not true or just not news that fits?”

    It’s not news that fits the narrative. This attack, had it succeeded, would have cemented the reality that this is a Jihad of Islam versus Christians and other infidels who live in their shadows rather than a patchwork of lone-wolf attacks by a bunch of unfortunate souls hated for who they are and mistreated while trying to make it in the cruel streets of the West.

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  14. @Anonymous
    As I understand it, there are counter-intuitively few Muslims in southern Spain but lots in the north, especially Catalonia.

    It’s my understanding that this was deliberate policy by the Catalan independistes who simultaneously discourage immigration from Spanish speaking latin america. I think the idea was roughly*

    1. bring in a bunch of moroccans et al (to make the rest of spain shit themselves)
    2. teach them catalan (and don’t worry about spanish)
    3. ?
    4. More voters for independence!

    It never occurred to them that they wouldn’t fit in in Catalonia any better than they do any other place in Europe.

    The leaders of Europe are motivated by equal measures of malice towards their own countries and sheer, unassailable stupidity regarding the reality of other , non-European, cultures. The results speak for themselves to anyone paying attention. Fortunately for the leaders the population is still obsessed with diverstiy pokemon and is largely coming to regard indigenous casualties as sacrifices needed for some glorious future point total.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    I think it's similar to other elite approved nationalism eg Scottish, Irish. The supposed nationalists are fully paid up racial/cultural flat earthers who only have a problem with the designated dominant group. Thus swarthy folk from anywhere and everywhere can easily be co-opted into their fight against The Man and there won't be any unintended consequences. Because they will all live together as equals after the revolution.
    , @Rosh
    This is nonsense. A region of Spain doesn't have the ability to dictate what immigrants settle there.
  15. Peterike says:

    Doesn’t matter. In 20 more years the Muslim rulers of Europe will tear down all the cathedrals anyway.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    In 20 more years the Muslim rulers of Europe will tear down all the cathedrals anyway.

    Depends which Muslims prevail in the end. Your ISIS types like to destroy. The Turks (who I think will be the long-term winners) like to retro-fit. See Hagia Sofia for example.
  16. @Peterike
    Doesn't matter. In 20 more years the Muslim rulers of Europe will tear down all the cathedrals anyway.

    In 20 more years the Muslim rulers of Europe will tear down all the cathedrals anyway.

    Depends which Muslims prevail in the end. Your ISIS types like to destroy. The Turks (who I think will be the long-term winners) like to retro-fit. See Hagia Sofia for example.

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  17. Tiny Duck says:

    It’s got to go. Its like me stature of El acid. Offensive to Muslind. People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Muslim rule of Spain was the golden age

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    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    People of College r are sick of being shat on.
     
    Goddamn townies!
    , @Clyde
    OK that was a dopey misspelled duck post but still does not let you off the hook for not pimping your website verysmartbrothas.com. Get on the stick ducky wucky!
    , @fish

    Loosen the cinch on the bag over your head Tiny!

    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    This is champagne trolling. Well done sir.
  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Never mind the fact that Spain endured a bitter 800 year long – think of today’s England and Richard the Lion Heart’s time to get some sort of ‘deep time’ perspective – Islamic occupation which was only wrested after the bitterest and longest of struggles, (apparently these events leave no ‘folk memory’), contemporary Spain suffers from some of the industrialised world’s very worst levels of persistent mass unemployment, with something like a half of Spanish youth being jobless.

    This makes the Spanish acceptance of mass Moroccan immigration all the more mystifying.

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  19. BB753 says:

    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn’t be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain’s beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn’t be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain’s beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.
     
    No one notices the four minarets on this cathedral which is too Moorish influenced for me. You want to see the long time line and evolution of a great cathedral being built...Get hold of Pillars of the Earth DVD set https://www.amazon.com/Pillars-Earth-Ian-McShane/dp/B003UD7J94
    , @Anonymous
    It is an ugly building. You suspect many Spaniards feel likewise hence the reluctance to pay for its completion.
    , @Excal
    As a child, I hated and feared the work of Gaudi, especially his Casa Mila and the Sagrada Familia, which looked like hideous growths to me (poorly printed photographs in books didn't help Gaudi's cause).

    As an adult, I am beginning to appreciate his work, especially when set against the giant pranks of vandals like Frank Gehry. I am slowly beginning to see brilliance in the Sagrada Familia. Seeing it in person is very helpful.

    I think Gaudi is all about details. His is almost an architecture of nothing but details, and he was very, very good at them.

  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Achilles

    The New York Times hasn’t reported it, for example. So is it not true or just not news that fits?
     
    The MSM oligarchy don't feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.

    The first Islamic terrorist attempt to take down the World Trade Center might well have killed 50,000 people if it had worked as intended. It wasn't treated as an attack of that seriousness in the MSM.

    However, the plot to attack the Barcelona cathedral actually does seem to be getting some play in the media.

    Rest assured that the next edition – and all subsequent editions – of The Economist magazine will include a rabid, fanatical, polemic *demanding* massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the west.

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  21. One thing to keep in your mind when reading about stuff like this is that the Jews fear and loathe Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) far more than Islam.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    One thing to keep in your mind when reading about stuff like this is that the Jews fear and loathe Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) far more than Islam.

    Yes, I'm sure the bickering clergy at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre weigh much more on Mr. Netanyahu's mind than Iran does.
  22. Yak-15 says:

    The church has been dead in Spain since the Spanish Civil War. Taking down the Sagrada would just confirm it.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    If you remember, the church-supporting side won the Spanish Civil War against the Globalists*, despite the slaughter of so many faithful Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)#Toll_on_clergy

    When Franco died in 1975 Spain was still pretty Catholic and IIRC had a fertility rate of over 3. Despite rapid economic development, it had been isolated from the 1960s cultural revolution which had done so much damage to religion elsewhere. But it soon caught up under democracy, the Pill, 'youth culture' . By 2000 the fertility rate had dropped to about 1.1 , an unprecedented collapse in only 25 years.


    * "Workers of all countries, compete against each other and drive down wages!"
    , @Moshe
    It's amazing how much you know.

    You know about the inner feelings of Jooz, Spaniards and who knows who else!

    You happen to not be making sense about Jews since they tend to think in such different manners about Islam and Catholicism that it's impossible to compare the two. And, to the delight of one and all, you are damn silly about the Catholic thing too. I mean like totally ignorant silly. The claim that the Catholic Church lost some power and public adoration after 1976 would be correct.

    But, from your encyclopedic mind you came up with the decision that it was dead since the Civil War.

    Because you my friend no so very very very much about, it seems everything.

    Aside for the fact that the Catholic Church holds tremendous sway in Spain and that there are still girls in their teens and twenties in Spain who become nuns, and some who even become CLOISTERED nuns, before the Spanish Civil War the government wanted to decrease the power of the church, much of the support for Franco, who, I guess I should inform you won the war, was from people who wanted the Catholic Church to have greater influence. And again, I should inform you that Franco remained the de facto King for 40 years. Heck, you can still visit numerous churches throughout Spain that have special rooms devoted to the memory of people who fought the Republicans.

    You are like a humorous Whiskey. He makes predictions that are way fly off while you describe the world as it is today from the same know-it-all, while knowing nothing perspective.

    Congratulations! SUCCESS!

  23. Barnard says:
    @Cowboy Shaw
    I was in Barcelona just three months ago. The level of tourist activity is astonishing. I hadn't been for quite a few years. I got the feeling that many Americans are bypassing Paris now and Barcelona is much preferred.

    Last time I was there it was easy to pitch up and go into the Sagrada Familia, now you have to book well in advance. I stood outside the main entrance for a while and then across the road near a police van with some very well-armed tough hombres.

    But what I was surprised by was the lack of real security barriers, bollards, etc. that could have stopped a van. Hundreds of people were milling around exposed.

    It seems I was not the only one who noticed.

    An attack like this might be the only thing that gets the European elities attention. They don’t care about the treasures of their own cultures, but if there is a legitimate threat to all the tourism revenue, they might actually be convinced to do something about the problem.

    Read More
  24. Wilkey says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring. Of all the beautiful architecture in Barcelona it is odd the terrorists chose that target. It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class - rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    You can probably read too much into that though, I suspect most terrorists are stupid and badly educated. They probably have no idea that European elites congregate elsewhere. They are just attacking happy people who make them feel bad about their own shitty lives.

    It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    Because if they attacked upper class targets then politicians might actually give a shit.

    Bomb kills 1,000 people at State U: “Don’t less this be a threat to our belief in diversity!”
    Bomb kills 4 people at Stanford: “Time for another war!”

    I’m not sure that’s actually the terrorists’ intentions, though. They’re just attacking the soft targets with lots of people around. There is no other target in America easier to hit than a bar at 2am filled with hundreds of drunk, tired patrons, gay or otherwise.

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  25. Rosh says:
    @Anonymous
    As I understand it, there are counter-intuitively few Muslims in southern Spain but lots in the north, especially Catalonia.

    The north of Spain is much richer than the south.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Only the North-East. Check out Northern regions like Asturies and Galicia, which were underdeveloped until recently. As for Cantabria, it's been in pretty bad shape economically for decades. While Aragon, just south of the Pyrenees, was never a hotbed of economic development.
    Really, only the Basque Country, Navarre and Catalonia make up the prosperous North. (Although nobody in Spain thinks of Catalonia as the North, as it borders the Mediterranean).
  26. Lurker says:
    @cliff arroyo
    It's my understanding that this was deliberate policy by the Catalan independistes who simultaneously discourage immigration from Spanish speaking latin america. I think the idea was roughly*

    1. bring in a bunch of moroccans et al (to make the rest of spain shit themselves)
    2. teach them catalan (and don't worry about spanish)
    3. ?
    4. More voters for independence!

    It never occurred to them that they wouldn't fit in in Catalonia any better than they do any other place in Europe.

    The leaders of Europe are motivated by equal measures of malice towards their own countries and sheer, unassailable stupidity regarding the reality of other , non-European, cultures. The results speak for themselves to anyone paying attention. Fortunately for the leaders the population is still obsessed with diverstiy pokemon and is largely coming to regard indigenous casualties as sacrifices needed for some glorious future point total.

    I think it’s similar to other elite approved nationalism eg Scottish, Irish. The supposed nationalists are fully paid up racial/cultural flat earthers who only have a problem with the designated dominant group. Thus swarthy folk from anywhere and everywhere can easily be co-opted into their fight against The Man and there won’t be any unintended consequences. Because they will all live together as equals after the revolution.

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  27. Rosh says:

    La Sagrada Familia is a most astonishing peice of art. It looks like it grew out of the ground. When it’s completed it will surely be the most spectacular structure in the world. Those of you who can’t appreciate it I don’t consider fully human.

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    • Replies: @eddy wobegon
    I find La Sagrada Familia to be stunning architecture along with Gaudi's other work. See enough cathedrals and Sagrada Familia stands out so much.

    Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist, sexist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, and whatever else I forgot to add.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    I think it's ugly and uninspiring.

    Demolition would improve it beyond measure.

  28. Rosh says:
    @cliff arroyo
    It's my understanding that this was deliberate policy by the Catalan independistes who simultaneously discourage immigration from Spanish speaking latin america. I think the idea was roughly*

    1. bring in a bunch of moroccans et al (to make the rest of spain shit themselves)
    2. teach them catalan (and don't worry about spanish)
    3. ?
    4. More voters for independence!

    It never occurred to them that they wouldn't fit in in Catalonia any better than they do any other place in Europe.

    The leaders of Europe are motivated by equal measures of malice towards their own countries and sheer, unassailable stupidity regarding the reality of other , non-European, cultures. The results speak for themselves to anyone paying attention. Fortunately for the leaders the population is still obsessed with diverstiy pokemon and is largely coming to regard indigenous casualties as sacrifices needed for some glorious future point total.

    This is nonsense. A region of Spain doesn’t have the ability to dictate what immigrants settle there.

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    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
    Could be, I'm just reporting what I've read in Spanish media (in Spanish). Not everyone buys it but it's a very common idea (and sometimes voiced by politicians in Spain).

    It's also not about dictating but more about encouraging certain people to move in or not (preferential policies, helping companies recruit cheap labor from the maghreb rather than latin america, etc etc).
    , @Brutusale
    I guess that's why there are thousands of Cambodians in Lowell, MA. The climate is just like home!

    If an organization, like the benighted church groups in the US who bring in the wretched refuse, has a place in mind, and the approval of pliant politician$, that's where they go. Subsequent immigrants settle where their countrymen have settled.
  29. M_Young says:

    Here’s another question that won’t be asked or answered: why are there Moroccans in Barcelona at all. The usual excuses don’t apply — Spain has something like a 25% youth unemployment rate, and throughout Spain actual Spaniards still do ‘jobs Spaniards won’t do’.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Because the Spanish state devotes a great deal of effort to composing and enforcing rococo labor law which generates the severe sclerosis which leaves you with double-digit unemployment for generations long spans of time, effort they do not devote to composing and enforcing sensible immigration law.
  30. @Rosh
    La Sagrada Familia is a most astonishing peice of art. It looks like it grew out of the ground. When it's completed it will surely be the most spectacular structure in the world. Those of you who can't appreciate it I don't consider fully human.

    I find La Sagrada Familia to be stunning architecture along with Gaudi’s other work. See enough cathedrals and Sagrada Familia stands out so much.

    Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist, sexist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, and whatever else I forgot to add.

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  31. @Rosh
    This is nonsense. A region of Spain doesn't have the ability to dictate what immigrants settle there.

    Could be, I’m just reporting what I’ve read in Spanish media (in Spanish). Not everyone buys it but it’s a very common idea (and sometimes voiced by politicians in Spain).

    It’s also not about dictating but more about encouraging certain people to move in or not (preferential policies, helping companies recruit cheap labor from the maghreb rather than latin america, etc etc).

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    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    re num of Muslim pop in Catalonia:

    The George Washington University--Program on Extremism:
    https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/extremism.gwu.edu/files/Vidino_A%20Case%20Study-%20Catalonia.pdf

    Screenshot: https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21032720_10155629555174738_8589348793569524367_n.jpg?oh=49dbbc8c5ccfa6405a5e01531d9838f5&oe=5A1C53EF

    > I’m just reporting what I’ve read in Spanish media (in Spanish)
    Any links?

  32. nebulafox says:

    It’s an act of love.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Try this on an Israeli beach and see what happens.
  33. @Achilles

    The New York Times hasn’t reported it, for example. So is it not true or just not news that fits?
     
    The MSM oligarchy don't feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.

    The first Islamic terrorist attempt to take down the World Trade Center might well have killed 50,000 people if it had worked as intended. It wasn't treated as an attack of that seriousness in the MSM.

    However, the plot to attack the Barcelona cathedral actually does seem to be getting some play in the media.

    The MSM oligarchy don’t feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.

    The MSM oligarchy don’t feel particularly forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are successful either. Coverage lasts at most a day or two now, and is always interspaced with “Muslims fear backlash” stories. Daniel Greenfield quoted the following three from Spain:

    “Muslims fear anti-Islam backlash in Spain after terror attacks”

    “Muslims fear anti-Islam backlash in tolerant Barcelona”

    “Muslims in Barcelona Fear Anti-Islam Backlash After IS Attack”

    If the Cathedral were to have been destroyed, the NY Times would have quoted architects claiming it was an eyesore and that city planners were glad to have the space opened up.

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  34. rienzi says:

    Recently returned from a long visit to Andalusia. Actually saw a woman in a “burkini” at a water park. also it was hard not to be almost always in eye shot of a headscarved woman in any major city or tourist site. However, once you get away from those areas, they seem to completely disappear. Pretty much like it is here in Southwest Florida.

    Where did all these people come from? Five years ago they were non-existent. Now you can’t go anywhere without running into them. Like mushrooms popping up on the lawn overnight.

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  35. BB753 says:
    @Rosh
    The north of Spain is much richer than the south.

    Only the North-East. Check out Northern regions like Asturies and Galicia, which were underdeveloped until recently. As for Cantabria, it’s been in pretty bad shape economically for decades. While Aragon, just south of the Pyrenees, was never a hotbed of economic development.
    Really, only the Basque Country, Navarre and Catalonia make up the prosperous North. (Although nobody in Spain thinks of Catalonia as the North, as it borders the Mediterranean).

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  36. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    It's got to go. Its like me stature of El acid. Offensive to Muslind. People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Muslim rule of Spain was the golden age

    People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Goddamn townies!

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  37. Lagertha says:
    @wren
    I am glad I am not in the universe where they blew the cathedral or the Vatican or the Eiffel Tower, etc.

    I suspect that I will one day wake up to find myself there however.

    I noticed that some MSM had mentioned that the Charlottesville crazy actually had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and prescribed antipsychotics in addition to beating up his mom several times. That was a surprise.

    Yes, Fields, had attacked his mother before, and, get this: his mother is a paraplegic! Mon Dieu! Not only is he schizophrenic , his father died when 5 he was months old. His mother’s circumstances are going to ruin the narrative. Mental illness, paralyzed mother, dead father he never knew…will be tough to ignore once the trial begins. And, supposedly, the mother had made authorities aware that her son posed a danger to her and perhaps, others. Yikes. At this point, the media is gonna linger on the steaming pile of statues & justification for protests, focus on the dead woman, since it is ethically impossible to insist this guy is a rational human being. He will wind up in a psych ward, down the memory hole. There is an eerie similarity to the madness of A. Lanza….another killer with a desperate mother, trying to figure out what to do with him.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I believe that his dad died in the same accident that crippled his mother. The family was hit by a drunk driver. I spent a few moments looking into whether they were hit by an illegal alien, which, anecdotally, seems to frequently happen, but couldn't find a thing.

    Clearly he had a lot of mental issues.

    It seems that any lawyer's job is not as hard as it should be.

    "Your honor, I was just trying to get away from all the guys with masks who were hitting me and scaring me. They were hitting me with bats because of my haircut, and then when I finally thought I could escape from them by getting in my car, they started hitting my car with bats and stones, and I panicked and must have snapped in complete terror, because I don't remember a thing about hitting anyone. I just remember waiting for the police to help me to my car, but they never came...."
  38. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The often mention statistic that 25% of youth are unemployed seems way too high to be true. There has to be qualifications.

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    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
    I've seen figures closer to 45 %.

    Who's employed and unemployed differs by country and unless you know how the figures are arrived at then all unemployment figures are useless.
    , @Anonymous
    Spaniards aren't renowned for their work ethic. However it's also true that the welfare and fiscal system in Spain as elsewhere pays people, if not to be idle, then to pretend to be idle.
  39. Clyde says:
    @Tiny Duck
    It's got to go. Its like me stature of El acid. Offensive to Muslind. People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Muslim rule of Spain was the golden age

    OK that was a dopey misspelled duck post but still does not let you off the hook for not pimping your website verysmartbrothas.com. Get on the stick ducky wucky!

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  40. Clyde says:
    @BB753
    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn't be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain's beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.

    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn’t be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain’s beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.

    No one notices the four minarets on this cathedral which is too Moorish influenced for me. You want to see the long time line and evolution of a great cathedral being built…Get hold of Pillars of the Earth DVD set https://www.amazon.com/Pillars-Earth-Ian-McShane/dp/B003UD7J94

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  41. Rosh says:
    @eddy wobegon
    I find La Sagrada Familia to be stunning architecture along with Gaudi's other work. See enough cathedrals and Sagrada Familia stands out so much.

    Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist, sexist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, and whatever else I forgot to add.

    Agreed!

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  42. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder
    The only other comparable long-term "unfinished" church is the Anglican St. John the Divine Cathedral in NYC:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Divine

    Pretty weird neither are finished. I always figured the latter was unfinished because Anglicans stopped believing in their dogma and the money dried up and the remaining church folk didn't care and were too busys arguing about who got to wear the red robes today and whether their tranny preachers were technically gay.

    But St. John the Divine does give tours, and it has some very nice medieval-style architecture. But, like most Anglican churches, it never really feels reverential inside. I've been on tours of churches where I didn't know the faith there, and I could always tell the Catholic/Orthodox ones from the rest, even when the styles were similar. Quite frankly, I think the echoes of prayer and reverence hung about the Catholic/Orthodox ones, while the Anglican ones (who are the only ones who come close to Catholic/Orthodox in architecture) seem like some graduate student's very well-done but soulless final project.

    About the only time I did feel confusion was when I visited churches that used to be Cathollic/Orthodox but got taken over by something else, such as Westminster Abbey. At first it felt reverential (especially the pre-Reformation graves), but gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to.

    “gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to.”

    Good. I’ll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder

    I’ll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.
     
    hehe. Can't you do a bit better, little small brained atheist? Quite weak sauce.

    The Left can't meme.

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    Will you also take electric Muslims?
    , @AM

    Good. I’ll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.
     
    England not withstanding, it's highly unlikely that without Christianity there would have been half decent dentistry or the taming of electricity. It didn't happen in any other type of society.
  43. The smart thing for a religion to do is to not focus on architecture which is not eternal and man-made anyways. A ruin will do.

    How are the magnificent temples to Baal doing these days? Zeus?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

    Of course you have to make sure the members of your religion are smart enough to figure that out.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!
  44. c matt says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring. Of all the beautiful architecture in Barcelona it is odd the terrorists chose that target. It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class - rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    You can probably read too much into that though, I suspect most terrorists are stupid and badly educated. They probably have no idea that European elites congregate elsewhere. They are just attacking happy people who make them feel bad about their own shitty lives.

    I am not the biggest fan of it either, but have not quite made my mind up about it yet. On the outside, it does have that “drip sand castle” look; on the inside, it reminds me of the skeletal structure of a fish or some sort of crab-leg like thing. Maybe Gaudi was going for an ocean-side theme?

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  45. @anonymous
    The often mention statistic that 25% of youth are unemployed seems way too high to be true. There has to be qualifications.

    I’ve seen figures closer to 45 %.

    Who’s employed and unemployed differs by country and unless you know how the figures are arrived at then all unemployment figures are useless.

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  46. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    It's got to go. Its like me stature of El acid. Offensive to Muslind. People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Muslim rule of Spain was the golden age

    Loosen the cinch on the bag over your head Tiny!

    - Leonard Pitts

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  47. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring.
     
    Indeed, and I am one of those reactionaries who found the World Trade Center towers to be modernist eyesores in the Manhattan skyline.

    Giant 1970s stereo speakers they were. Could've played the loudest Van Halen ever.

    It's a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them "pulled."

    I expect our helpful Deep State Muslims to eventually apply an atomic solution to one of America's gentrifiable urban blights, thereby once again killing two birds: profitless urban real estate and any lull in American fear.

    It’s a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them “pulled.”

    He had a standard-issue short-term binder as he’d just assumed the 99-year lease on the property. And, of course, everyone knows that it was the secret society of Jewish paedophiles that Leo Frank belonged to which staged the 9/11 caper.

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  48. Art Deco says:

    The Spanish Republicans made a vigorous effort to destroy it during the recent unpleasantness in Spain (betwixt and between slaughtering priests and religious and hacking the crosses out of gravestones). They had nearly 3 years to devote to the task ‘ere Gen. Yague liberated the city, so I don’t think one-off truck bombers are going to accomplish much. Tough piece of construction.

    Had they done this 10 years ago, we’d be treated to an elegantly phrased column by Joseph Sobran blaming George W. Bush or Israel (or perhaps both).

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  49. Art Deco says:
    @M_Young
    Here's another question that won't be asked or answered: why are there Moroccans in Barcelona at all. The usual excuses don't apply -- Spain has something like a 25% youth unemployment rate, and throughout Spain actual Spaniards still do 'jobs Spaniards won't do'.

    Because the Spanish state devotes a great deal of effort to composing and enforcing rococo labor law which generates the severe sclerosis which leaves you with double-digit unemployment for generations long spans of time, effort they do not devote to composing and enforcing sensible immigration law.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    How things work in Spain. Spain must be governed by a managerial class guarding their iron rice bowls. I had to look up the word "rococo", which I have seen before but did not know its meaning.
  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The irony is that cathedrals are modern versions of neolithic longhouses and megalithic structures, which derive from Mediterranean and Near Eastern culture and are not Aryan or Indo-European in origin.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    What's the irony here?
    , @Alden
    Long houses were homes in which people lived and later kept their farm animals. A lot of American Indians lived in them. So did ancient Europeans. Long houses were widespread all over the world. They had nothing to do with worship of Gods. Megalithic? Do you mean like stone henge and various standing stones in Ireland, Scotland and France? Those countries are in Europe.

    And Christianity did (allegedly) start in ancient Judea. And Christianity incorporates lots of Egyptian abd Persian Zorastrian religion as well as basing its founding myths in the ancient
    Ancient Middle East.

    It's difficult to understand what your point is.
    , @Alden
    Barcelona is on the Mediterranean. Indo European people have lived in Spain for at least 40,000 years. Even as some snarky, historically ignorant pagan or atheist sneer at Catholicism, your comment makes no sense at all.

    And long houses were built all over the world and are dwelling houses for people and their farm animals.

    If you are writing about high ceilings and open space, barns, auditoriums, courtrooms, classrooms and houses with open plan and high ceilings are a form of church or cathederal. So are those open atrium hotels and office buildings.
  51. El Dato says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I am one of those reactionaries who finds Sagrada Familia pretty silly, and not particularly inspiring. Of all the beautiful architecture in Barcelona it is odd the terrorists chose that target. It is also interesting that lately terrorists tend to attack targets that are fairly middle class - rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc. Maybe they are trying to provoke more violence by attacking middle class populations that are generally somewhat sympathetic to immigration.

    You can probably read too much into that though, I suspect most terrorists are stupid and badly educated. They probably have no idea that European elites congregate elsewhere. They are just attacking happy people who make them feel bad about their own shitty lives.

    Well, let’s just say that it’s good that Gaudi didn’t go for a huge H.R. Giger look.

    targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc.

    In culturally ironed-flat Europe, EVERYTHING is middle class.

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    • Replies: @fitzGetty
    ... except for the many hundreds of no-go islamist areas ...
  52. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that cathedrals are modern versions of neolithic longhouses and megalithic structures, which derive from Mediterranean and Near Eastern culture and are not Aryan or Indo-European in origin.

    What’s the irony here?

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I think he equates Aryan and Indo-European buildings with native Europeans and Mediterranean or Near Eastern construction to Arabia and the Mahgreb, whence come Europe's invaders to destroy Europeans' cathedrals, etc.

    I don't entirely agree with the simplified taxonomies, but I also certainly don't mean to put words in anyone's mouth. If my conjecture is right, though, and we assume the proposed taxonomies arguendo, I do see the irony.

  53. El Dato says:
    @anony-mouse
    The smart thing for a religion to do is to not focus on architecture which is not eternal and man-made anyways. A ruin will do.

    How are the magnificent temples to Baal doing these days? Zeus?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

    Of course you have to make sure the members of your religion are smart enough to figure that out.

    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!

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    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!
     
    John Von Neumann requested absolution from a Benedictine priest on his death bed. Cantor spent his final years focused on God and the infinite and corresponded with German Dominicans and even Pope Leo XIII in Rome. Gödel was a religious Christian who developed a mathematical proof for God's existence. Cauchy's first devotion was his Catholic faith and secondly his prodigious mathematical work. Cauchy received Last Rites. Weierstrass was a faithful Catholic his whole life. Riemann was a life-long devoted Christian who died saying the Lord's Prayer with his wife.
    , @nebulafox
    Well, that's an encouraging note. I still strongly suspect that I'm just not smart enough. Not going to stop me from learning more cool math, though.
  54. the raven says:

    If Muslims blow up the Sagrada Familia, then “remove kebab” becomes “roast kebab”.

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  55. MBlanc46 says:

    The work appears to be considerably more advanced than when I was there in 1976.

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  56. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Like statues in America, cathedrals are Stuff White People Built (SWPB) and therefore must be taken down.

    (The entire modern world is SWPB and is in the process of being taken down, either by force, decay, theft, or sale to China.)

    Anything that’s of commercial value is going to the Chinese.

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  57. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn't be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain's beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.

    It is an ugly building. You suspect many Spaniards feel likewise hence the reluctance to pay for its completion.

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  58. peterike says:

    I know it’s the New Yorker, and it’s a few years old, but this is a very good article about the economic situation in Spain.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/02/25/the-hangover-2

    Spain had its own housing boom and bust.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    They're labor market was horrendous 20 years ago, far more stopped up than Portugal's next door.
  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    The often mention statistic that 25% of youth are unemployed seems way too high to be true. There has to be qualifications.

    Spaniards aren’t renowned for their work ethic. However it’s also true that the welfare and fiscal system in Spain as elsewhere pays people, if not to be idle, then to pretend to be idle.

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    • Replies: @Excal
    Catalonians are quite diligent -- a bit like the Milanese of Spain. A decent share (not all, certainly) of the industrial development of Spain is of Catalonian origin.

    It almost seems that the areas most heavily conquered by the Moors are the ones which have done the worst historically; would be interesting to study this.
  60. El Dato says:
    @nebulafox
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK-0DbOG3zk

    It's an act of love.

    Try this on an Israeli beach and see what happens.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The guy in charge of expelling African illegal migrants under Netanyahu a few years back was the former head of MOSSAD's "Ceasarea" unit. They handle what we would term assassinations. We, on the other hand, got Valerie Jarrett: and Turd Blossom Rove.

    I don't trust Netanyahu further than I can throw him, but I'll give him full credit where it is due for showing a spine on this issue, and more importantly, encouraging the Visegrad nations to do the same.

  61. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Anon
    "gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to."

    Good. I'll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

    I’ll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

    hehe. Can’t you do a bit better, little small brained atheist? Quite weak sauce.

    The Left can’t meme.

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  62. fitzGetty says:

    … some years ago, a gang of immigrants from East Europe tried to burn down Peterborough Cathedral … not much media play – as when other gangs killed and ate the Queen’s swans on the River Lea, East London …

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  63. fitzGetty says:
    @El Dato
    Well, let's just say that it's good that Gaudi didn't go for a huge H.R. Giger look.

    targets that are fairly middle class – rock and pop concerts, promenades, a commercialized Christmas market in secular Berlin, etc.
     
    In culturally ironed-flat Europe, EVERYTHING is middle class.

    … except for the many hundreds of no-go islamist areas …

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  64. @Yak-15
    The church has been dead in Spain since the Spanish Civil War. Taking down the Sagrada would just confirm it.

    If you remember, the church-supporting side won the Spanish Civil War against the Globalists*, despite the slaughter of so many faithful Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)#Toll_on_clergy

    When Franco died in 1975 Spain was still pretty Catholic and IIRC had a fertility rate of over 3. Despite rapid economic development, it had been isolated from the 1960s cultural revolution which had done so much damage to religion elsewhere. But it soon caught up under democracy, the Pill, ‘youth culture’ . By 2000 the fertility rate had dropped to about 1.1 , an unprecedented collapse in only 25 years.

    * “Workers of all countries, compete against each other and drive down wages!”

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    In For Whom the Bell Tolls, Hemingway writes a good deal about the Catholic faith being dead in Spain. I suppose that one must consider the source - a communist sympathizer.
  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @El Dato
    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!

    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!

    John Von Neumann requested absolution from a Benedictine priest on his death bed. Cantor spent his final years focused on God and the infinite and corresponded with German Dominicans and even Pope Leo XIII in Rome. Gödel was a religious Christian who developed a mathematical proof for God’s existence. Cauchy’s first devotion was his Catholic faith and secondly his prodigious mathematical work. Cauchy received Last Rites. Weierstrass was a faithful Catholic his whole life. Riemann was a life-long devoted Christian who died saying the Lord’s Prayer with his wife.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Of course. It is my conviction that similar parts of the brain are excited in people with mathematical skills and people with religious convictions. It's a rush to have total truth of a theorem in one's hand (but then one remembers that the theorem describes not some Platonic Truth but a particularity of a specific Turing Machine, though one that may have to run forever to exhibit it - no matter, on to the next!)

    Gödel was a religious Christian who developed a mathematical proof for God’s existence.
     
    Didn't get too far with that. He's mainly known for saying something about the limited power of formal mathematical systems. Metaphysics and Matematics mix with high difficulty though inspiration is always welcome. Still, one hopes...
  66. Olorin says:
    @Achilles

    The New York Times hasn’t reported it, for example. So is it not true or just not news that fits?
     
    The MSM oligarchy don't feel forced to cover Islamic terrorist attempts that are unsuccessful.

    The first Islamic terrorist attempt to take down the World Trade Center might well have killed 50,000 people if it had worked as intended. It wasn't treated as an attack of that seriousness in the MSM.

    However, the plot to attack the Barcelona cathedral actually does seem to be getting some play in the media.

    The MSM resent these failed attacks at some level because it deprives them of the eyeballs you can get from extreme horror.

    To put it another way, mainstream media news is to a large extent snuff porn.

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  67. @Anon
    "gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to."

    Good. I'll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

    Will you also take electric Muslims?

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  68. nebulafox says:
    @El Dato
    Try this on an Israeli beach and see what happens.

    The guy in charge of expelling African illegal migrants under Netanyahu a few years back was the former head of MOSSAD’s “Ceasarea” unit. They handle what we would term assassinations. We, on the other hand, got Valerie Jarrett: and Turd Blossom Rove.

    I don’t trust Netanyahu further than I can throw him, but I’ll give him full credit where it is due for showing a spine on this issue, and more importantly, encouraging the Visegrad nations to do the same.

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  69. nebulafox says:
    @El Dato
    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!

    Well, that’s an encouraging note. I still strongly suspect that I’m just not smart enough. Not going to stop me from learning more cool math, though.

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  70. prosa123 says: • Website

    Being unemployed in most European countries is far less worse than being unemployed in the US. There is a whole panoply of non-time-limited benefits that make it possible to have a tolerable lifestyle without working. Here in the US, all you get are meager unemployment benefits with strict time limits, unless you’re willing to fake a disability and collect Social Security disability benefits.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    The benefits that come with smaller defense budgets and lesser commitments around the globe.
  71. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    The only permanent cathedral is Mathematics. And everyone can help!
     
    John Von Neumann requested absolution from a Benedictine priest on his death bed. Cantor spent his final years focused on God and the infinite and corresponded with German Dominicans and even Pope Leo XIII in Rome. Gödel was a religious Christian who developed a mathematical proof for God's existence. Cauchy's first devotion was his Catholic faith and secondly his prodigious mathematical work. Cauchy received Last Rites. Weierstrass was a faithful Catholic his whole life. Riemann was a life-long devoted Christian who died saying the Lord's Prayer with his wife.

    Of course. It is my conviction that similar parts of the brain are excited in people with mathematical skills and people with religious convictions. It’s a rush to have total truth of a theorem in one’s hand (but then one remembers that the theorem describes not some Platonic Truth but a particularity of a specific Turing Machine, though one that may have to run forever to exhibit it – no matter, on to the next!)

    Gödel was a religious Christian who developed a mathematical proof for God’s existence.

    Didn’t get too far with that. He’s mainly known for saying something about the limited power of formal mathematical systems. Metaphysics and Matematics mix with high difficulty though inspiration is always welcome. Still, one hopes…

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  72. AM says:
    @Anon
    "gradually the echoes of prayers past were drown out by the blandness and nonbelief the building had been subjected to."

    Good. I'll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

    Good. I’ll exchange electricity and dentistry for belief in spaghetti monsters any day.

    England not withstanding, it’s highly unlikely that without Christianity there would have been half decent dentistry or the taming of electricity. It didn’t happen in any other type of society.

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  73. Art Deco says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    One thing to keep in your mind when reading about stuff like this is that the Jews fear and loathe Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) far more than Islam.

    One thing to keep in your mind when reading about stuff like this is that the Jews fear and loathe Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) far more than Islam.

    Yes, I’m sure the bickering clergy at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre weigh much more on Mr. Netanyahu’s mind than Iran does.

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  74. Blowing up the Sagrada Familia church is not important to cuck poop Frannie. http://www.breitbart.com/faith/2017/08/21/pope-francis-rights-migrants-trump-national-security-concerns/

    Fascinating. I will again blame the RCC/Zioevangiers for these problems. Here in the US, statues of Christopher Columbus, Junipero Serra, Joan of Arc (New Orleans) have been vandalized. Amy Kirk Duvoisin who heads the Joan of Arc parade said that graffiti sprayed on the statue had a bright side in that one could teach about Joan (a “teachable moment”). When Columbus sailed, besides his desire to find shorter shipping routes, as a Roman Catholic it was his duty to convert any heathens he met. The statue of the Spanish priest, Junipero Serra, was defaced in California. I am waiting for the response of the USA RCC. Will it defend Columbus, Serra because they brought the true faith to the new world? Will they call upon American RCCers to come to the defense of the RCC in the new world? What will the USA RCC do when Aztecs want to incorporate Aztec ceremonies in RCC churches? Fascinating.

    I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. This fascinating story popped up today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/08/22/catholic-priest-admits-previous-tie-kkk/589132001/ He’s taken a leave of absence.

    Eastern Europe and Japan don’t have these problems because they have no Muslims (or very few). A reporter at Breitbart was fired for “noticing” this and tweeting about it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brietbart-reporter-fired_us_59359173e4b0cfcda9167023

    Western European and USA problems can be pinned directly on Rome (in Western Europe) and the American Zioevangizers.

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    I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.
     
    Yeah, you were going to have to, because Christ commanded his Church to convert all nations. Right there in the Gospels. No, Jew, Gentile, slave etc, within The Body of Christ. Sorry about that.

    That said, there's nothing in the Catechism that says throw open your borders to just anyone. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism makes an excellent complete case about why open borders is not remotely Catholic. In any event. we were supposed to go out to the world, not invite them in on other people's nickel.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/08/22/catholic-priest-admits-previous-tie-kkk/589132001/ He’s taken a leave of absence.
     
    Totally fascinating. Or not. Or maybe somebody's looking to retire. Or they're nutters. At any rate, the more focused anyone is on racism, as a good or as a bad, the further away they are from anything important about Catholicism. It's just as well he's gone.

    Western European and USA problems can be pinned directly on Rome (in Western Europe) and the American Zioevangizers.
     
    Yeah...no they can't. Many Baptists are as easily as cucked as the American Bishops. Mainline Protestants same. Pagans and atheists are the same. It's pretty well a society wide problem in the West. Catholics and Baptists were the last to be breached, with the mainline Protestants lost a bit earlier in the 20th century, which explains the almost complete atheism of northern Europe at the moment.
  75. Moshe says:

    There seem to be a lot of Deep State believers here. And not of the mild sort but of the Opus Dei sort.

    And some of these fellas have strayed into Unz farther than Sailer and are pretty darn confident that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Then – among the NORMALS – a solid half of the local commenters keep talking (as do the media but in the opposite direction) about Trump being controlled by Generals, Ivanka/Jared, Bannon or whomever.

    As though Trump has no agency of his own. It’s not Stalin’s fault! There are wreckers!

    Besides the fact that Trump hired his daughter (as I ALWAYS knew he would) and Bannon and Preibus and whatever generals and wall streeters, yeah he HIRED them, he also has no difficulty you may have noticed with “YOU’RE FIRED!”ing them or ignoring them or whatever.

    The Obamessiah, uh Trumpsavior, is no one’s pawn. If he chooses to accept advice it’s from people whose advice he sought.

    Unless of course you go back to a DEEP STATE forcing his Hires and Fires in which case go back to Start. Also, do not visit the freedom tower.

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    And not of the mild sort but of the Opus Dei sort.

    Opus Dei is a personal prelature founded in Spain in 1928. Every once in a while you hear about a supernumerary who holds a consequential position (e.g. Louis Freeh, who was the FBI director a while back, or Joaquin Lavin, who ran for President of Chile). I'm not sure I've ever met a numerary or supernumerary in meatworld.
  76. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that cathedrals are modern versions of neolithic longhouses and megalithic structures, which derive from Mediterranean and Near Eastern culture and are not Aryan or Indo-European in origin.

    Long houses were homes in which people lived and later kept their farm animals. A lot of American Indians lived in them. So did ancient Europeans. Long houses were widespread all over the world. They had nothing to do with worship of Gods. Megalithic? Do you mean like stone henge and various standing stones in Ireland, Scotland and France? Those countries are in Europe.

    And Christianity did (allegedly) start in ancient Judea. And Christianity incorporates lots of Egyptian abd Persian Zorastrian religion as well as basing its founding myths in the ancient
    Ancient Middle East.

    It’s difficult to understand what your point is.

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  77. Moshe says:
    @Yak-15
    The church has been dead in Spain since the Spanish Civil War. Taking down the Sagrada would just confirm it.

    It’s amazing how much you know.

    You know about the inner feelings of Jooz, Spaniards and who knows who else!

    You happen to not be making sense about Jews since they tend to think in such different manners about Islam and Catholicism that it’s impossible to compare the two. And, to the delight of one and all, you are damn silly about the Catholic thing too. I mean like totally ignorant silly. The claim that the Catholic Church lost some power and public adoration after 1976 would be correct.

    But, from your encyclopedic mind you came up with the decision that it was dead since the Civil War.

    Because you my friend no so very very very much about, it seems everything.

    Aside for the fact that the Catholic Church holds tremendous sway in Spain and that there are still girls in their teens and twenties in Spain who become nuns, and some who even become CLOISTERED nuns, before the Spanish Civil War the government wanted to decrease the power of the church, much of the support for Franco, who, I guess I should inform you won the war, was from people who wanted the Catholic Church to have greater influence. And again, I should inform you that Franco remained the de facto King for 40 years. Heck, you can still visit numerous churches throughout Spain that have special rooms devoted to the memory of people who fought the Republicans.

    You are like a humorous Whiskey. He makes predictions that are way fly off while you describe the world as it is today from the same know-it-all, while knowing nothing perspective.

    Congratulations! SUCCESS!

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    Glad I am accumulating a fan base
    , @Yak-15
    What is there to say about Jews other than they are high-achieving relative to their population size and highly represented among the social justice sect? I don't see much else beyond that.
  78. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @prosa123
    Being unemployed in most European countries is far less worse than being unemployed in the US. There is a whole panoply of non-time-limited benefits that make it possible to have a tolerable lifestyle without working. Here in the US, all you get are meager unemployment benefits with strict time limits, unless you're willing to fake a disability and collect Social Security disability benefits.

    The benefits that come with smaller defense budgets and lesser commitments around the globe.

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  79. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that cathedrals are modern versions of neolithic longhouses and megalithic structures, which derive from Mediterranean and Near Eastern culture and are not Aryan or Indo-European in origin.

    Barcelona is on the Mediterranean. Indo European people have lived in Spain for at least 40,000 years. Even as some snarky, historically ignorant pagan or atheist sneer at Catholicism, your comment makes no sense at all.

    And long houses were built all over the world and are dwelling houses for people and their farm animals.

    If you are writing about high ceilings and open space, barns, auditoriums, courtrooms, classrooms and houses with open plan and high ceilings are a form of church or cathederal. So are those open atrium hotels and office buildings.

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  80. In the world of the Alt-Left which includes MSM, there’s no such thing as “Islamic terrorism”, there’s only a few mentally ill individuals who committed mischief who happened to have Muslim sounding names, the fact that they were all Muslim is irrelevant and a sheer coincidence. Anyone who thinks there’s a correlation between Islam and terror is an Islamaphobe and a racist.

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    Actually the mental health activists (the "rights for nutsos" people) aren't happy about this tendency of left activists to ascribe violence by Muslims to madness. How many people in modern western society have some sort of mental problem? The number is not small, and their politics tend to be left-wing due to their need for free stuff (drugs mainly).

    Muslims vs. crazies (like Muslims vs. feminists and Muslims vs. homos) is likely going to turn into yet another schism with the progressive movement.
  81. @El Dato
    What's the irony here?

    I think he equates Aryan and Indo-European buildings with native Europeans and Mediterranean or Near Eastern construction to Arabia and the Mahgreb, whence come Europe’s invaders to destroy Europeans’ cathedrals, etc.

    I don’t entirely agree with the simplified taxonomies, but I also certainly don’t mean to put words in anyone’s mouth. If my conjecture is right, though, and we assume the proposed taxonomies arguendo, I do see the irony.

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Incontrovertible
    In the world of the Alt-Left which includes MSM, there's no such thing as "Islamic terrorism", there's only a few mentally ill individuals who committed mischief who happened to have Muslim sounding names, the fact that they were all Muslim is irrelevant and a sheer coincidence. Anyone who thinks there's a correlation between Islam and terror is an Islamaphobe and a racist.

    Actually the mental health activists (the “rights for nutsos” people) aren’t happy about this tendency of left activists to ascribe violence by Muslims to madness. How many people in modern western society have some sort of mental problem? The number is not small, and their politics tend to be left-wing due to their need for free stuff (drugs mainly).

    Muslims vs. crazies (like Muslims vs. feminists and Muslims vs. homos) is likely going to turn into yet another schism with the progressive movement.

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  83. Art Deco says:
    @Moshe
    There seem to be a lot of Deep State believers here. And not of the mild sort but of the Opus Dei sort.

    And some of these fellas have strayed into Unz farther than Sailer and are pretty darn confident that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Then - among the NORMALS - a solid half of the local commenters keep talking (as do the media but in the opposite direction) about Trump being controlled by Generals, Ivanka/Jared, Bannon or whomever.

    As though Trump has no agency of his own. It's not Stalin's fault! There are wreckers!

    Besides the fact that Trump hired his daughter (as I ALWAYS knew he would) and Bannon and Preibus and whatever generals and wall streeters, yeah he HIRED them, he also has no difficulty you may have noticed with "YOU'RE FIRED!"ing them or ignoring them or whatever.

    The Obamessiah, uh Trumpsavior, is no one's pawn. If he chooses to accept advice it's from people whose advice he sought.

    Unless of course you go back to a DEEP STATE forcing his Hires and Fires in which case go back to Start. Also, do not visit the freedom tower.

    And not of the mild sort but of the Opus Dei sort.

    Opus Dei is a personal prelature founded in Spain in 1928. Every once in a while you hear about a supernumerary who holds a consequential position (e.g. Louis Freeh, who was the FBI director a while back, or Joaquin Lavin, who ran for President of Chile). I’m not sure I’ve ever met a numerary or supernumerary in meatworld.

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  84. Art Deco says:
    @peterike
    I know it's the New Yorker, and it's a few years old, but this is a very good article about the economic situation in Spain.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/02/25/the-hangover-2

    Spain had its own housing boom and bust.

    They’re labor market was horrendous 20 years ago, far more stopped up than Portugal’s next door.

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  85. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lagertha
    Yes, Fields, had attacked his mother before, and, get this: his mother is a paraplegic! Mon Dieu! Not only is he schizophrenic , his father died when 5 he was months old. His mother's circumstances are going to ruin the narrative. Mental illness, paralyzed mother, dead father he never knew...will be tough to ignore once the trial begins. And, supposedly, the mother had made authorities aware that her son posed a danger to her and perhaps, others. Yikes. At this point, the media is gonna linger on the steaming pile of statues & justification for protests, focus on the dead woman, since it is ethically impossible to insist this guy is a rational human being. He will wind up in a psych ward, down the memory hole. There is an eerie similarity to the madness of A. Lanza....another killer with a desperate mother, trying to figure out what to do with him.

    I believe that his dad died in the same accident that crippled his mother. The family was hit by a drunk driver. I spent a few moments looking into whether they were hit by an illegal alien, which, anecdotally, seems to frequently happen, but couldn’t find a thing.

    Clearly he had a lot of mental issues.

    It seems that any lawyer’s job is not as hard as it should be.

    “Your honor, I was just trying to get away from all the guys with masks who were hitting me and scaring me. They were hitting me with bats because of my haircut, and then when I finally thought I could escape from them by getting in my car, they started hitting my car with bats and stones, and I panicked and must have snapped in complete terror, because I don’t remember a thing about hitting anyone. I just remember waiting for the police to help me to my car, but they never came….”

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    well, the sad part is: no one gives a rat's ass about Fields. He will wind up in a psych ward. The only thing that will be remembered from Charlottesville : A white neo-Nazi drove over an innocent woman. And, Trump is responsible. I think I just threw-up in my mouth a little! I really hate Democrats these days, they're making me sick.
  86. AM says:
    @attilathehen
    Blowing up the Sagrada Familia church is not important to cuck poop Frannie. http://www.breitbart.com/faith/2017/08/21/pope-francis-rights-migrants-trump-national-security-concerns/

    Fascinating. I will again blame the RCC/Zioevangiers for these problems. Here in the US, statues of Christopher Columbus, Junipero Serra, Joan of Arc (New Orleans) have been vandalized. Amy Kirk Duvoisin who heads the Joan of Arc parade said that graffiti sprayed on the statue had a bright side in that one could teach about Joan (a "teachable moment"). When Columbus sailed, besides his desire to find shorter shipping routes, as a Roman Catholic it was his duty to convert any heathens he met. The statue of the Spanish priest, Junipero Serra, was defaced in California. I am waiting for the response of the USA RCC. Will it defend Columbus, Serra because they brought the true faith to the new world? Will they call upon American RCCers to come to the defense of the RCC in the new world? What will the USA RCC do when Aztecs want to incorporate Aztec ceremonies in RCC churches? Fascinating.

    I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. This fascinating story popped up today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/08/22/catholic-priest-admits-previous-tie-kkk/589132001/ He's taken a leave of absence.

    Eastern Europe and Japan don't have these problems because they have no Muslims (or very few). A reporter at Breitbart was fired for "noticing" this and tweeting about it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brietbart-reporter-fired_us_59359173e4b0cfcda9167023

    Western European and USA problems can be pinned directly on Rome (in Western Europe) and the American Zioevangizers.

    I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.

    Yeah, you were going to have to, because Christ commanded his Church to convert all nations. Right there in the Gospels. No, Jew, Gentile, slave etc, within The Body of Christ. Sorry about that.

    That said, there’s nothing in the Catechism that says throw open your borders to just anyone. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism makes an excellent complete case about why open borders is not remotely Catholic. In any event. we were supposed to go out to the world, not invite them in on other people’s nickel.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/08/22/catholic-priest-admits-previous-tie-kkk/589132001/ He’s taken a leave of absence.

    Totally fascinating. Or not. Or maybe somebody’s looking to retire. Or they’re nutters. At any rate, the more focused anyone is on racism, as a good or as a bad, the further away they are from anything important about Catholicism. It’s just as well he’s gone.

    Western European and USA problems can be pinned directly on Rome (in Western Europe) and the American Zioevangizers.

    Yeah…no they can’t. Many Baptists are as easily as cucked as the American Bishops. Mainline Protestants same. Pagans and atheists are the same. It’s pretty well a society wide problem in the West. Catholics and Baptists were the last to be breached, with the mainline Protestants lost a bit earlier in the 20th century, which explains the almost complete atheism of northern Europe at the moment.

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    I know what the Bible says. But biology and belief have come into direct conflict. Biology is going to win. I believe in IQ, evolution and my Christianity and politics are based on the first two. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. I believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? To see the value of a country, look at its IQ. Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs.

    I don't want to destroy any RCC/Protestant churches. They are my heritage. Changes will have to be made. Blacks/Asians will have to have their own churches/priests-popes. Repatriation, deportation, segregation is needed.

    The current insanity whereby the lunatics think they can erase the past needs to be looked at from a different perspective.

    We need to go back to the beginning - ancient Egypt. The original Egyptians were Caucasians. They left us pyramids, art, literature. Today the average Egyptian IQ is 81. What happened? Miscegenation with blacks, that's what destroyed Egypt.

    These are the questions we need to ask - why are there blacks/Asians? What are their purposes? We know they did nothing to create our modern world. In the Bible it says man is created in God's image. Blacks/Asians do not reflect well on God's image. Christianity started in the Caucasian Middle East and flowered in Europe. Blacks/Asians do not have what it takes to keep Christianity alive.

    So, everything that we've been taught has to be reinterpreted in light of IQ. This is the great 21st century project for the West.

  87. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    NYT is on it now, appropriately muted:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/22/world/europe/spain-attacks-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html

    The Attacks in Spain: What We Know Now

    … … … … … …

    Authorities believe the conspirators were building bombs to detonate in vans in a massive attack on targets in Barcelona, including the Sagrada Familia, the city’s most famous landmark, according to a U.S. security official who has read Spanish intelligence reports.

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  88. @Anonymous
    NYT is on it now, appropriately muted:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/22/world/europe/spain-attacks-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html

    The Attacks in Spain: What We Know Now

    ... ... ... ... ... ...

    Authorities believe the conspirators were building bombs to detonate in vans in a massive attack on targets in Barcelona, including the Sagrada Familia, the city’s most famous landmark, according to a U.S. security official who has read Spanish intelligence reports.
     

    Thanks.

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  89. Excal says:
    @Anonymous
    Spaniards aren't renowned for their work ethic. However it's also true that the welfare and fiscal system in Spain as elsewhere pays people, if not to be idle, then to pretend to be idle.

    Catalonians are quite diligent — a bit like the Milanese of Spain. A decent share (not all, certainly) of the industrial development of Spain is of Catalonian origin.

    It almost seems that the areas most heavily conquered by the Moors are the ones which have done the worst historically; would be interesting to study this.

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  90. Excal says:
    @BB753
    The hideous Sagrada Familia wouldn't be a great loss anyway. I do fear for Spain's beautiful Gothic cathedrals, like Burgos, or Zamora.

    As a child, I hated and feared the work of Gaudi, especially his Casa Mila and the Sagrada Familia, which looked like hideous growths to me (poorly printed photographs in books didn’t help Gaudi’s cause).

    As an adult, I am beginning to appreciate his work, especially when set against the giant pranks of vandals like Frank Gehry. I am slowly beginning to see brilliance in the Sagrada Familia. Seeing it in person is very helpful.

    I think Gaudi is all about details. His is almost an architecture of nothing but details, and he was very, very good at them.

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  91. @cliff arroyo
    Could be, I'm just reporting what I've read in Spanish media (in Spanish). Not everyone buys it but it's a very common idea (and sometimes voiced by politicians in Spain).

    It's also not about dictating but more about encouraging certain people to move in or not (preferential policies, helping companies recruit cheap labor from the maghreb rather than latin america, etc etc).

    re num of Muslim pop in Catalonia:

    The George Washington University–Program on Extremism:

    https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/extremism.gwu.edu/files/Vidino_A%20Case%20Study-%20Catalonia.pdf

    Screenshot: https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21032720_10155629555174738_8589348793569524367_n.jpg?oh=49dbbc8c5ccfa6405a5e01531d9838f5&oe=5A1C53EF

    > I’m just reporting what I’ve read in Spanish media (in Spanish)
    Any links?

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  92. @AM

    I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.
     
    Yeah, you were going to have to, because Christ commanded his Church to convert all nations. Right there in the Gospels. No, Jew, Gentile, slave etc, within The Body of Christ. Sorry about that.

    That said, there's nothing in the Catechism that says throw open your borders to just anyone. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism makes an excellent complete case about why open borders is not remotely Catholic. In any event. we were supposed to go out to the world, not invite them in on other people's nickel.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/08/22/catholic-priest-admits-previous-tie-kkk/589132001/ He’s taken a leave of absence.
     
    Totally fascinating. Or not. Or maybe somebody's looking to retire. Or they're nutters. At any rate, the more focused anyone is on racism, as a good or as a bad, the further away they are from anything important about Catholicism. It's just as well he's gone.

    Western European and USA problems can be pinned directly on Rome (in Western Europe) and the American Zioevangizers.
     
    Yeah...no they can't. Many Baptists are as easily as cucked as the American Bishops. Mainline Protestants same. Pagans and atheists are the same. It's pretty well a society wide problem in the West. Catholics and Baptists were the last to be breached, with the mainline Protestants lost a bit earlier in the 20th century, which explains the almost complete atheism of northern Europe at the moment.

    I know what the Bible says. But biology and belief have come into direct conflict. Biology is going to win. I believe in IQ, evolution and my Christianity and politics are based on the first two. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. I believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? To see the value of a country, look at its IQ. Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs.

    I don’t want to destroy any RCC/Protestant churches. They are my heritage. Changes will have to be made. Blacks/Asians will have to have their own churches/priests-popes. Repatriation, deportation, segregation is needed.

    The current insanity whereby the lunatics think they can erase the past needs to be looked at from a different perspective.

    We need to go back to the beginning – ancient Egypt. The original Egyptians were Caucasians. They left us pyramids, art, literature. Today the average Egyptian IQ is 81. What happened? Miscegenation with blacks, that’s what destroyed Egypt.

    These are the questions we need to ask – why are there blacks/Asians? What are their purposes? We know they did nothing to create our modern world. In the Bible it says man is created in God’s image. Blacks/Asians do not reflect well on God’s image. Christianity started in the Caucasian Middle East and flowered in Europe. Blacks/Asians do not have what it takes to keep Christianity alive.

    So, everything that we’ve been taught has to be reinterpreted in light of IQ. This is the great 21st century project for the West.

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  93. a reader says:
    @Anonymous
    As I understand it, there are counter-intuitively few Muslims in southern Spain but lots in the north, especially Catalonia.

    Barcelona counts 1, 6 million residents, of which 500,000 are Muslim. (2012)

    Half of a half dozen of them appeared 3 days ago to show their solidarity.

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  94. @attilathehen
    I know what the Bible says. But biology and belief have come into direct conflict. Biology is going to win. I believe in IQ, evolution and my Christianity and politics are based on the first two. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. I believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? To see the value of a country, look at its IQ. Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs.

    I don't want to destroy any RCC/Protestant churches. They are my heritage. Changes will have to be made. Blacks/Asians will have to have their own churches/priests-popes. Repatriation, deportation, segregation is needed.

    The current insanity whereby the lunatics think they can erase the past needs to be looked at from a different perspective.

    We need to go back to the beginning - ancient Egypt. The original Egyptians were Caucasians. They left us pyramids, art, literature. Today the average Egyptian IQ is 81. What happened? Miscegenation with blacks, that's what destroyed Egypt.

    These are the questions we need to ask - why are there blacks/Asians? What are their purposes? We know they did nothing to create our modern world. In the Bible it says man is created in God's image. Blacks/Asians do not reflect well on God's image. Christianity started in the Caucasian Middle East and flowered in Europe. Blacks/Asians do not have what it takes to keep Christianity alive.

    So, everything that we've been taught has to be reinterpreted in light of IQ. This is the great 21st century project for the West.

    So sayeth the hare.

    Take care for the tortoise!

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    Blah, blah, blah. I will assume (please correct me if wrong) that you are a Caucasian RCC male like AM. Both of you prove my points. You are cucks who will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes.

    You cannot deal with facts. Big picture, this is frightening. We cannot count on "men" like you to help save the West. This is why I always ask people their religion. I then follow-up with other questions and can tell if they are cucks.
  95. @Art Deco
    It’s a good thing Larry Silverstein bought a nice insurance policy on them and had them “pulled.”

    He had a standard-issue short-term binder as he'd just assumed the 99-year lease on the property. And, of course, everyone knows that it was the secret society of Jewish paedophiles that Leo Frank belonged to which staged the 9/11 caper.

    Yeah, you’re probably right.

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  96. Clyde says:
    @Art Deco
    Because the Spanish state devotes a great deal of effort to composing and enforcing rococo labor law which generates the severe sclerosis which leaves you with double-digit unemployment for generations long spans of time, effort they do not devote to composing and enforcing sensible immigration law.

    How things work in Spain. Spain must be governed by a managerial class guarding their iron rice bowls. I had to look up the word “rococo”, which I have seen before but did not know its meaning.

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  97. @Tiny Duck
    It's got to go. Its like me stature of El acid. Offensive to Muslind. People of College r are sick of being shat on.

    Muslim rule of Spain was the golden age

    This is champagne trolling. Well done sir.

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  98. @Rosh
    La Sagrada Familia is a most astonishing peice of art. It looks like it grew out of the ground. When it's completed it will surely be the most spectacular structure in the world. Those of you who can't appreciate it I don't consider fully human.

    I think it’s ugly and uninspiring.

    Demolition would improve it beyond measure.

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  99. @Desiderius
    So sayeth the hare.

    Take care for the tortoise!

    Blah, blah, blah. I will assume (please correct me if wrong) that you are a Caucasian RCC male like AM. Both of you prove my points. You are cucks who will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes.

    You cannot deal with facts. Big picture, this is frightening. We cannot count on “men” like you to help save the West. This is why I always ask people their religion. I then follow-up with other questions and can tell if they are cucks.

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  100. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous
    I believe that his dad died in the same accident that crippled his mother. The family was hit by a drunk driver. I spent a few moments looking into whether they were hit by an illegal alien, which, anecdotally, seems to frequently happen, but couldn't find a thing.

    Clearly he had a lot of mental issues.

    It seems that any lawyer's job is not as hard as it should be.

    "Your honor, I was just trying to get away from all the guys with masks who were hitting me and scaring me. They were hitting me with bats because of my haircut, and then when I finally thought I could escape from them by getting in my car, they started hitting my car with bats and stones, and I panicked and must have snapped in complete terror, because I don't remember a thing about hitting anyone. I just remember waiting for the police to help me to my car, but they never came...."

    well, the sad part is: no one gives a rat’s ass about Fields. He will wind up in a psych ward. The only thing that will be remembered from Charlottesville : A white neo-Nazi drove over an innocent woman. And, Trump is responsible. I think I just threw-up in my mouth a little! I really hate Democrats these days, they’re making me sick.

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  101. Yak-15 says:
    @Moshe
    It's amazing how much you know.

    You know about the inner feelings of Jooz, Spaniards and who knows who else!

    You happen to not be making sense about Jews since they tend to think in such different manners about Islam and Catholicism that it's impossible to compare the two. And, to the delight of one and all, you are damn silly about the Catholic thing too. I mean like totally ignorant silly. The claim that the Catholic Church lost some power and public adoration after 1976 would be correct.

    But, from your encyclopedic mind you came up with the decision that it was dead since the Civil War.

    Because you my friend no so very very very much about, it seems everything.

    Aside for the fact that the Catholic Church holds tremendous sway in Spain and that there are still girls in their teens and twenties in Spain who become nuns, and some who even become CLOISTERED nuns, before the Spanish Civil War the government wanted to decrease the power of the church, much of the support for Franco, who, I guess I should inform you won the war, was from people who wanted the Catholic Church to have greater influence. And again, I should inform you that Franco remained the de facto King for 40 years. Heck, you can still visit numerous churches throughout Spain that have special rooms devoted to the memory of people who fought the Republicans.

    You are like a humorous Whiskey. He makes predictions that are way fly off while you describe the world as it is today from the same know-it-all, while knowing nothing perspective.

    Congratulations! SUCCESS!

    Glad I am accumulating a fan base

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  102. Yak-15 says:
    @Moshe
    It's amazing how much you know.

    You know about the inner feelings of Jooz, Spaniards and who knows who else!

    You happen to not be making sense about Jews since they tend to think in such different manners about Islam and Catholicism that it's impossible to compare the two. And, to the delight of one and all, you are damn silly about the Catholic thing too. I mean like totally ignorant silly. The claim that the Catholic Church lost some power and public adoration after 1976 would be correct.

    But, from your encyclopedic mind you came up with the decision that it was dead since the Civil War.

    Because you my friend no so very very very much about, it seems everything.

    Aside for the fact that the Catholic Church holds tremendous sway in Spain and that there are still girls in their teens and twenties in Spain who become nuns, and some who even become CLOISTERED nuns, before the Spanish Civil War the government wanted to decrease the power of the church, much of the support for Franco, who, I guess I should inform you won the war, was from people who wanted the Catholic Church to have greater influence. And again, I should inform you that Franco remained the de facto King for 40 years. Heck, you can still visit numerous churches throughout Spain that have special rooms devoted to the memory of people who fought the Republicans.

    You are like a humorous Whiskey. He makes predictions that are way fly off while you describe the world as it is today from the same know-it-all, while knowing nothing perspective.

    Congratulations! SUCCESS!

    What is there to say about Jews other than they are high-achieving relative to their population size and highly represented among the social justice sect? I don’t see much else beyond that.

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  103. Yak-15 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    If you remember, the church-supporting side won the Spanish Civil War against the Globalists*, despite the slaughter of so many faithful Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)#Toll_on_clergy

    When Franco died in 1975 Spain was still pretty Catholic and IIRC had a fertility rate of over 3. Despite rapid economic development, it had been isolated from the 1960s cultural revolution which had done so much damage to religion elsewhere. But it soon caught up under democracy, the Pill, 'youth culture' . By 2000 the fertility rate had dropped to about 1.1 , an unprecedented collapse in only 25 years.


    * "Workers of all countries, compete against each other and drive down wages!"

    In For Whom the Bell Tolls, Hemingway writes a good deal about the Catholic faith being dead in Spain. I suppose that one must consider the source – a communist sympathizer.

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  104. Brutusale says:
    @Rosh
    This is nonsense. A region of Spain doesn't have the ability to dictate what immigrants settle there.

    I guess that’s why there are thousands of Cambodians in Lowell, MA. The climate is just like home!

    If an organization, like the benighted church groups in the US who bring in the wretched refuse, has a place in mind, and the approval of pliant politician$, that’s where they go. Subsequent immigrants settle where their countrymen have settled.

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