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I didn’t actually make it all the way through Barbadian pop queen Rihanna’s expensive new music video “Bitch Better Have My Money,” which is presumably inspired by the tinny-voiced singer’s lawsuit against her accountant for telling her in 2009 that buying a house in the Hollywood Hills ought to be a good investment and other complaints. In the video Rihanna takes vengeance for all the subprofessional advice she endured by kidnapping an accountant’s blonde wife, stuffing her in a box, then hanging the terrified chained-up woman upside down from a hook, at which point I stopped watching.

You can watch it there if you want.

This video has led to much online celebration of how empowering it is to watch strong women torturing people. The Guardian explicated:

In an America seething over endemic racism, the presentation of a black woman exacting revenge on a white exploiter has been less controversial than the nudity. Vogue.com columnist Karley Sciortino said: “It’s good to normalise the female body. In so many music videos where you see nudity, it’s framed in these really specific ways: abstract female body parts just looking hot. When Rihanna’s naked she isn’t posing in a hyper-sexual way, she’s covered in blood and she’ll cut your dick off. She looks powerful, but it’s almost casual, normalised. It’s about showing a powerful representation of the female body, where women are in charge of the way that they’re being viewed.”

Anyway, the Huffington Post content aggregation turbines recycled this essay originally penned when only the audio was available:

Is ‘Bitch Better Have My Money’ a Song About Reparations?

by Barbara Sostaita
Masters Candidate in Religion, Yale University
Posted: 04/05/2015 5:48 pm EDT Updated: 06/05/2015 5:59 am EDT

This week, Bad Gal Ri Ri returned with the second single from her upcoming album, Bitch Better Have My Money. Vulture called the song “a slice of ratchet heaven,” and Billboard exalted Rihanna as a “trap queen” who has taken claim to her throne with this single. While I agree with both of these assertions, I also think this song is a powerful and politically charged anthem calling for reparations owed by white America for the wrongs and the legacy of slavery.

After getting this text message from a close friend and hip hop scholar:

I haven’t been able to listen to the track without considering the powerful implications it has for this particular moment in popular culture. We are living in a time where it is impossible to dismiss the legacies of colonialism, slavery and violence, which shape lives and worlds in the present. As rapper Azealia Banks said in a recent Playboy interview, “The generational effects of Jim Crow and poverty linger on.” When asked why she always brings up the topic of race in interviews and Twitter, Banks replied: “Because y’all motherf—ers still owe me reparations! That’s why it’s all about race… As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f— out of here, and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.” Rihanna and Azealia Banks seem to be on the same page with this one.

Rihanna is haughty and unapologetic in this song, evocative of Beyonce’s no-holds-barred, “bow down bitches,” persona in “***Flawless.” Shouting out, “Where y’all at? Where y’all at? Where y’all at?” she demands accountability from white America for the “two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal, and 35 years of racist housing policy,” that Ta-Nehisi Coates elaborates on in a powerful treatise on the importance for reparations.

As Rihanna explicates:

Bitch better have my money!
Bitch better have my money!
Pay me what you owe me
Bitch better have my (bitch better have my)
Bitch better have my (bitch better have my)
Bitch better have my money!

By the way, why does Rihanna’s voice always sound both nasal, strangely like Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor, and robotic, but in a low-tech 8-bit sort of way? I presume the studio wizards do some of their digital magic to it, but is there some sort of retro reason for why Rihanna songs usually sound like they processed her vocal track using a Kay-Pro computer and a 5.25″ floppy disk drive? Is she actually a good singer whom the highest paid studio masters are making sound soulless and inept for reasons I’m far too old to understand?

Or is she just a mediocre singer?

 
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  1. My bitch better have my money,

    Thru rain, sleet, or snow.

    My ho better have my money!

    Not half, not some, but all my cash!

    Because if she don’t, I’m gonna put my foot straight up her ass.

    -I’m Gonna Git You Sucka

  2. We are living in a time where it is impossible to dismiss the legacies of colonialism, slavery and violence, which shape lives and worlds in the present.

    She might have a point. Greece and the rest of the Balkans seem pretty messed up after 500 years of Ottoman domination. Some on this blog like to point out the paucity of great minds coming from the Iberian peninsula. Maybe seven centuries of occupation took its toll too. Add to both the slave raiders and it might help to explain why Southern/Eastern Europe are so hosed. When are they going to get their reparations?

    • Replies: @Chiron
    "When are they going to get their reparations?"

    When the Neo-Ottoman Empire comes.
    , @Ted
    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines…doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders. Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.
  3. Does Rihanna deserve reparations for slavery and Jim Crow from White American taxpayers when she is a Barbadian Black and not an African American Black. Also Rihanna has a personal net worth of $140 million dollars, so she is not exactly hurting for money. When was the last time she flew coach and stayed at a Motel 6 or Super 8 Motel like the rest of the peasant masses?

  4. Lot says:

    I have not and will not listen to awful music like pop hip hop, the tiny chucks I hear from cars and flipping the radio is enough to know I don’t want to hear more.

    As for the 8 bit sounds, this is actually a thing. Lots of people in the USA and Europe do chiptune and demo scene work involving making cool music with vintage 80s computers and video game consoles such as the Atari 2600.

    Probably the best of the genre is Crystal Castle.

  5. I’ve sometimes said that Rihanna embodies everything that’s wrong with American culture. There are a million interchangeable no-talent and/or soulless corporate hacks out there, but Rihanna has a modicum of talent (I like that umbarella song and “Disturbia” is pretty all right) and an ability to express her own unique voice. She just has incredibly bad taste.

  6. Yeah, it’s hard to get old. Every time the song “Bend ova, make your knees touch your elbows” comes on the radio I have to change stations.

    Miss Sostaita could probably make the case that that song is about reparations as well.

  7. “Or is she just a mediocre singer?”

    Uh, yes, she is. If she were all that, she wouldn’t need her voice to be processed in the first place. She would just sing her songs in her own authentic voice.

    In current top 40 at least, it does appear that fewer recording artists’s voices are coming thru unprocessed by pitch corrections, computer processors, etc.

    Thank you Madonna for starting this craze! Or did it exist before the early 80’s?

    Don’t think that Doris Day, Rosemary Clooney, Sinatra, etc had pitch corrected vocals for their pop standard hits.

    So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?"

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    , @The Z Blog
    Since the beginning, pop music was engineered in the studio by middle-aged fat guys no one would pay to see perform. Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50's through the 70's.
  8. Much ado about nothing.

  9. “Vogue.com columnist Karley Sciortino said…”

    That’s the same woman who can be seen on sites like XHamster and Vimeo performing oral sex and masturbating naked on a fire escape. Look up her name along with “Slutever,” which is her blog.

    This is where the mainstream media is getting its information from. And this is what Vogue is now normalizing for its young female readers. I’d provide links, but Steve would moderate my comment out of existence, which says something right there.

    • Replies: @Kauai
    Vogue joins other rags like Cosmo and Glamour on the greasy stripper pole. The business model is first and foremost to publish anything that will generate advertising, page views and revenue, not to establish an editorial philosophy or what used to be worth reading.

    Madonna's song led models to retort: We don't vogue, we are vogue. She, Warhol and others had their 15 minutes of fame.
  10. I suggest watching the entire video.

    Truly a musical masterpiece for the ages.

    • Replies: @anon
    wow, youtube allows bare breasts now? Look at 1:55
    , @Kylie
    I did indeed watch the entire video.

    But since it's painful for me to hear bad vocals, I took the precaution of muting her non-musical masterpiece and listening to these vocals instead:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc

    Seems to me the notion of reparations to blacks for slavery etc. is pretty bone-headed. Rihanna, Ta-Nehisi, et al benefit enormously from technological advances that would unavailable to them were they to rely solely on the contributions of their own race to civilization. They've already got "theirs" and then some, but apparently, gratitude and a sense of fair play are abstract notions like future time orientation that seem not to be evenly distributed throughout the population.
  11. In order to keep up with contemporary culture, at least a little, I sometimes look through YouTube’s most popular videos. This thing has 130 million views:

    http://youtu.be/6vYnas6q3Sg

  12. Between the for profit education scams and running through all the savings to fund the wars, one question. What money? Maybe we can have IOU’s for past wrongs and open IOU check cashing stores. There’s going to be a discount rate on IOU’s and with empty ATM’s maybe they can be repurposed to shell out IOU’s and be ATU’s or IOT’s that work with your app and smart phone. If we don’t borrow more we’ll be more broke. We’ll end up like Greece. “Greece debt: Varoufakis accuses creditors of ‘terrorism’” BBC says. Maybe people can trade in postage stamps and collect.
    Make Bitch I Want Licked music videos.

  13. Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW’s from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Liberals would be opposed to the idea of paying blacks to go away, but they're happy to use their own money to get away from blacks.
    , @JSM

    Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off
     
    Why not institute your plan but make it Back to Africa? The president of Senegal said at the time of the Haitian earthquake, any Blacks who want to, can come back to Senegal and be given free land.

    http://rosebellkagumire.com/2010/01/17/410/
    , @Chris Mallory

    For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off.
     
    No. It has been the Yankees who started this whole mess. Let the Blacks have Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, and Illinois.
    , @Borachio
    "Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of 'reparations'."

    From their perspective, they're framing it right. The more intelligent blacks, presumably including Mr. Coates, know that their demand for reparations is ridiculous. They just want repeated payoffs from the dwindling white population to keep blacks from rioting and burning cities. Their random acts of violent crime against non-blacks will continue in any event.

    You won't see Jesse and Al, Benjamin Crump or Barack Obama, supporting a Republic of New Africa. They see plenty of instructive examples in the Old Africa and in parts of America such as Baltimore: Under black control, areas rapidly degenerate into hellish jungles. American black "leaders" are too busy living the good life in a society created by white Europeans, all the while shaking down their benefactors with non-stop specious complaints.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    Rapper Azealia Banks is up for it!


    When asked why she always brings up the topic of race in interviews and Twitter, Banks replied: “Because y’all motherf—ers still owe me reparations! That’s why it’s all about race… As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f— out of here, and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.”
     
    Sounds like a petulant 13-year-old. Good luck getting her to follow through with that threat.
    , @Luke
    Those of us who reside in The South, and have some modicum of affection for the land would propose a different location for the RNA. While the acronym would need to be changed, Hati would be a good option.
    , @Ron Mexico
    Sounds like Jackson's Indian Removal policy. Maybe the results could be very similar.
    , @AnotherDad
    "On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. ..."

    Excellent post Mr. Face.

    Folks on the alternative or HBD or traditional or citizenist right need to embrace "separationism".

    At the very least, it's the natural rhetorical counter to all the progressive victimization crap. "If we're really causing your problems, then you should be happy if we just separate." "We don't agree on ... much of anything. So the simple solution--you have your progressive utopia, free of our oppression. And we have our place free of your nonsense. Since you claim white men are the problem, you should have zero objections."

    To me in a sane society really requires only five or six key attributes
    a) there are borders
    b) the successful majority race\civilization does not pander to any minority, much less a civilizationally disfunctional and more primitive one
    c) men and women are understood to be different and being wives and mothers is the most important thing women do
    d) having children and passing on our genes and culture is the most important activity society needs to make work; and we want the best, smartest, healthiest men and women to be doing it, and the incompetent not to be doing it
    e) we value and celebrate the productive, righteous and decent, and don't hold up, rent-seeking, rip-offs nor the disordered and depraved for anything but disapproval
    f) criminals belong in jail or exile, without excuses
    g) gay means light-hearted and carefree and a rainbow--what you get when the sun follows a rain shower--is pretty
  14. The first items of postal stationery to be issued by Greece were postcards in 1876, post paid envelopes and Lettercards were issued in 1894 followed by newspaper wrappers in 1901. Aerogrammes were first issued in 1967. Postcards and aerogrammes continue to be available to this day. The last issue of envelopes was in 1941. Three different values of newspaper wrappers were issued in 1901, in 1911 one new newspaper wrapper was issued and no further newspaper wrappers were issued after this date.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamps_and_postal_history_of_Greece

    ATM’s can give out postcards and newspaper wrappers can be used. Have newspaper grocery coupons because saving money is the same as making it. A penny saved is a penny earned.

    Don’t know your Drachma from your Troika? Here we explain some of the Greek debt crisis jargon you may have read, but not recognised.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33311405

    The people have been so bullshitted by the system they think if you change the name it’ll change the situation. They’re even using Russian bullshit now. Troika: A Russian word meaning a group of three, used by Greek journalists and then others to describe the EU, ECB, and IMF – the trinity of institutions responsible for monitoring Greece’s austerity measures.

  15. I wouldn’t say that Rihanna has a great voice, but she has a knack for selling her lyrics. Her articulation is quite good and you always know it’s her.

    You can compare Rihanna’s vocals to the demo versions by her frequent top line composer Ester Dean, if you want to know why Rihanna is the star and Dean merely a very wealthy songwriter.

    It’s also fun to compare the work of Katy Perry with her top line composer, Bonnie McKee. McKee’s own single I’m an American Girl is every bit as catchy as anything Perry has put out, but McKee doesn’t quite have Perry’s way with a lyric.

    I’d also point out that someone like Frank Sinatra never really had terribly great pipes either. Instead he knew how to put across a lyric.

    Stars aren’t always the one’s with the biggest voices.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ
  16. CG says:

    I only skimmed the video, but it appears that Rihanna’s accomplices are white. Sure, the HuffPo article was written before the video came out and the theory is pretty dumb, but now we can put it to rest, right?

    Also, I generally like hip hop, but BBHMM is irredeemable garbage.

  17. Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme than the one Ta-Nehisi Coates suggested. But this point seems to have eluded the Ivy-educated HuffPo author.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme......
     
    Lets not forget that Eric Holder and his high yaller wife won't be getting reparations either. Both are the offspring of Barbados immigrants. Obama and Holder are fakers who have zero American slave ancestry, of course this has never stopped them from agitating and issuing phoney pleas for a "conversation" about race in America.
  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, in these f*died up times, American politics, and indeed the politics of America emulators such as Britain’s disgusting New Labour, are defined by one overriding animus and one overriding animus only. Which is an alliance of ‘oppressed’ minorities attacking and destroying white men.
    Needless to say white women are major players in this enterprise, perhaps not providing the leadership, that’s a black thing for sure, but in terms of providing the sheer numbers.
    In fact it’s the wish fulfillment of human evolutionary history’s deepest seated, strongest and most instinctually held grudge on behalf of white women – the final and ultimate triumph of the yoni over the phallus. As animal and elemental as the dawn of life itself.

    With their joyous enthusiasm in allying themselves against white men and having the final, overall, epochal ‘victory’ in their sights, paradoxically, white women are making the biggest mistake ever.

    • Replies: @Rb
    And get even in these times a lot more White women vote for Romney, a Republican lite candidate.
  19. Western Civilization. C’est fini.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    AA: "Western Civilization. C’est fini ."
    So?
    Game on!
    http://unclebarky.com/reviews_files/vikings.jpg

    Those guys like slaves. They really really like 'em.

  20. Is she actually a good singer whom the highest paid studio masters are making sound soulless and inept for reasons I’m far too old to understand?

    Or is she just a mediocre singer?

    From one of Rihanna’s producers:

    Regarding vocal processors, Harrell says “it’s the sound of today in pop music. But I use it as an enhancement and not to create the sound. My role is to capture the artist’s personality. To trick them out with Auto-Tune would defeat that purpose, but consumers are used to hearing things pitch perfect so I use pitch correction to ensure that I have a flawless performance.”[57]

    It’s not a bug; it’s a feature.

  21. If RiRi thinks she can take my money, what little there is if it, she ought to put down the crack pipe. Maybe Chris Brown hit her upside the head too many times.

    Yes, a spoiled, rich Black woman with a taste for thugs and a 85, being generous, IQ screaming at White America to hand over the money?

    Trump just went up two points.

  22. @iSteveFan

    We are living in a time where it is impossible to dismiss the legacies of colonialism, slavery and violence, which shape lives and worlds in the present.
     
    She might have a point. Greece and the rest of the Balkans seem pretty messed up after 500 years of Ottoman domination. Some on this blog like to point out the paucity of great minds coming from the Iberian peninsula. Maybe seven centuries of occupation took its toll too. Add to both the slave raiders and it might help to explain why Southern/Eastern Europe are so hosed. When are they going to get their reparations?

    “When are they going to get their reparations?”

    When the Neo-Ottoman Empire comes.

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Actually the strangest part of the (99% incoherent) video was Eric Roberts popping up now & then as the shifty/leering sheriff’s deputy… He’s randomly appeared in music videos before, typically as some sleazy person the protagonist is confronting; but in context here it seems as if he’s winking at these up-to-no-good girls, or is somehow in on the nubile multiethnic gang’s kidnapping/torture jag. The creepiness is tough to describe, exactly… A sign of great art, I suppose

    And, if you’d watched it all the way you would’ve seen the wife is just a red herring — the true target of the home invasion ends up being new epitome of Scary White Male, that NBC “Hannibal” guy

    • Replies: @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Fun Fact: Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013.
  24. All over the world millions of kids ages 9-18 (and younger probably) watched this video over the last couple of days, imagine that. I can’t.

    Any complaints about that have been shut down by black feminists with “it is 18 and over where are the parents” as if that is going to stop anyone. You can safely assume that most of her young fans have seen it.

    Torture porn has been normalized and is now promoted by MSM, wow.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    Of whites. And yes I think they are priming society for that.
  25. Sounds heavily auto tuned to me; I think some singer and /or producers just like the sound.

    But I simply don’t get anything about her: I don’t think she’s particularly pretty, I don’t care for the tune or arrangements (or, to be more correct, the lack of same), I don’t like the blatant auto tuning, the lyrics are just a screed, the video has good production values but no discernible story…in other words, nothing different from anything that has hit the charts in the last 10+ years.

  26. The dispiriting thing is that pop music is awful, but the youngsters today lack any impetus to make their own thing. We’ve been needing the Sex Pistols and Ramones for a long time now, but it seems that they’ll never arrive.

    To echo an iSteve theme, think the kids are so outnumbered and over supervised that they are too timid to get tgeir own thing going.

  27. This seems to be the typical black extreme-criminal modus operandi, to the extent that the mass shooting is the white extreme-criminal modus operandi: break into a rich person’s house, torture their innocent family members until they hand over money, then torture-murder everyone in as horrific a manner as possible.

  28. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Or is she just a mediocre singer?"

    Uh, yes, she is. If she were all that, she wouldn't need her voice to be processed in the first place. She would just sing her songs in her own authentic voice.

    In current top 40 at least, it does appear that fewer recording artists's voices are coming thru unprocessed by pitch corrections, computer processors, etc.

    Thank you Madonna for starting this craze! Or did it exist before the early 80's?

    Don't think that Doris Day, Rosemary Clooney, Sinatra, etc had pitch corrected vocals for their pop standard hits.

    So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?

    “So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?”

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    This pre-dates "Double Fantasy."

    Neil Young had the engineer do this with the first songs he sang for the Buffalo Springfield, "Burned" and "Out of My Mind." He was insecure about his singing and they patched together endless takes.

    They also did this with Jan Berry in the 1970s, when he sang songs after the car crash that caused him brain damage. Go to YouTube and check out his first post-crash vocal, "Mother Earth," if you want to hear how successful this method could be.

    In both cases, engineers purportedly not only edited together takes, but stopped and started the tapes so the singers could "punch in" individual lines, time and time again.

    , @ziel
    Good story. Auto-tuning certainly didn't exist back in the Beatles' day, and John didn't need it anyway, but Lennon still insisted on his voice being heavily processed, once even asking if his voice could be "directly injected" into the soundboard as Emerick/Martin did often with electric guitars rather than record with a mic off the amps. This Wiki article on audio flanging includes a classic story about one of these Lennon/Martin back-and-forths.

    Paul's vocal pitch was less certain than his partner's, but he usually solved that with multiple takes until he got it perfect. Considering that he's basically a mediocre vocalist (for a top performer) and a sub-par pianist, it's rather astonishing that the first 8 bars of "Hey Jude!" - among the most captivating in all of popular music - consists of nothing but Paul's voice and piano.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit "Believe". Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice.
    , @Glaivester
    It wasn't technically pitch correction, I don't think, and pre-dated Autotune by 20 years, but The Buggles did a computer-enhanced vocals (well, you can argue whether they were enhanced or just altered) using a Vocoder back in 1979 for "I Love You (Miss Robot)."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm00l5N8Jao

    If the name "Buggles" seems vaguely familiar, they were Trevor Horne and Geoff Downes, best known for having the first song that ever appeared on MTV, "Video Killed the Radio Star." Trevor Horne went on to produce for ABC, Yes, and Asia, among others.
  29. If this is really the best of what modern ‘American’ culture can offer, then I sincerely suggest that every intelligent man out there should visit his local mosque, ‘turn Turk’ and go off and fight for ISIS.

  30. @Thursday
    I wouldn't say that Rihanna has a great voice, but she has a knack for selling her lyrics. Her articulation is quite good and you always know it's her.

    You can compare Rihanna's vocals to the demo versions by her frequent top line composer Ester Dean, if you want to know why Rihanna is the star and Dean merely a very wealthy songwriter.

    It's also fun to compare the work of Katy Perry with her top line composer, Bonnie McKee. McKee's own single I'm an American Girl is every bit as catchy as anything Perry has put out, but McKee doesn't quite have Perry's way with a lyric.

    I'd also point out that someone like Frank Sinatra never really had terribly great pipes either. Instead he knew how to put across a lyric.

    Stars aren't always the one's with the biggest voices.

    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he’s singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    I read somewhere that Frank deliberately roughed up his voice to be distinctive or authentic or something. Maybe in his mid-20s.

    Sinatra still leaves me somewhat underwhelmed; I find the musical arrangements of that era irritating. The equivalent of the laughter track on Monty Python.

    But Frank is a siren of the gods compared to Rihanna.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    sorry Steve, nobody comes close to Bing Crosby. And certainly not Sinatra. There was one Pavarotti and there was one Bing.

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    I’d also point out that someone like Frank Sinatra never really had terribly great pipes either. Instead he knew how to put across a lyric.
     
    Probably the most ridiculous statement ever posted on ISTEVE.

    Yes this is coming from another Blue Eyed Sicilian, but Sinatra was a great singer who also added great emotional depth to his phrasing of the lyrics, it showed up in Sinatra's best acting as well. In that department as well Sinatra ranks right along side the best; Ray Charles, Patsy Cline.....

    But just because he perfected the "Sinatra" worldly wise and weary persona and every song became a both a singing and acting performance does not detract from the obvious fact that Sinatra was a knock out singer with a freakish innate sense of pitch.
    , @Thursday
    Early Frank was a pretty decent belter in his younger years. He was still incredibly smooth and articulate at mid-volume through the Capital years, but IMO by then he sounds a bit strained whenever he (sort of) lets rip. Still, I've never understood the appeal of Sinatra's voice in itself.

    Keep in mind that there are many, many great pop singers with quite limited voices. These come to mind:
    Ray Charles
    Mick Jagger
    Neil Young
    Lou Reed
    David Bowie
    Joe Strummer
    Anthony Kiedis
    , @Father O'Hara
    Sinatra had some friends who would find Bitch Better Have My Money a great anthem!
  31. Things like this are among the reasons I have grown to deeply hate America. We pump this cultural sewage all over the world. Someone should nuke us. Happy 5th of July.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Things like this are among the reasons I have grown to deeply hate America. We pump this cultural sewage all over the world. Someone should nuke us. Happy 5th of July.
     
    I take it that you don't watch much British TV, say something sweet and innocent like Queer as Folk, the show that brought male on male analingus to a mainstream audience.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_as_Folk_(UK_TV_series)

    Or the rich French history of sexploitation cinema......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuelle_(film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuelle_2


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Emmanuelle
  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3eAMGXFw1o

    I suggest watching the entire video.

    Truly a musical masterpiece for the ages.

    wow, youtube allows bare breasts now? Look at 1:55

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    wow, youtube allows bare breasts now?
     
    Just FYI, YouTube has allowed rather serious nudity for years. Most of the time you need an account to see it though, and they've been pretty rigorous about keeping out pornography. Given the number of countries that YouTube operates in, and the various moral climates, this seems like a fairly difficult issue to manage. I feel like I ought to know this already, but I wonder if these videos are visible everywhere, or whether YouTube helpfully provides an API that allows governments to selectively block them.
  33. Not sure if you’re familiar with aDoseOfBuckley- Buckley is a Canadian DJ on youtube who viciously criticizes popular music. For the past few years, he’s had a fun series of “Worst Songs of 201X” videos, stating what is particularly awful about some major pop hits of the particular year. He also has a series called “Musical Autopsy” in which he criticizes a current pop hit. This is his reaction to “B*tch better have my money”:

  34. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    Liberals would be opposed to the idea of paying blacks to go away, but they’re happy to use their own money to get away from blacks.

  35. @Anonymous
    Basically, in these f*died up times, American politics, and indeed the politics of America emulators such as Britain's disgusting New Labour, are defined by one overriding animus and one overriding animus only. Which is an alliance of 'oppressed' minorities attacking and destroying white men.
    Needless to say white women are major players in this enterprise, perhaps not providing the leadership, that's a black thing for sure, but in terms of providing the sheer numbers.
    In fact it's the wish fulfillment of human evolutionary history's deepest seated, strongest and most instinctually held grudge on behalf of white women - the final and ultimate triumph of the yoni over the phallus. As animal and elemental as the dawn of life itself.

    With their joyous enthusiasm in allying themselves against white men and having the final, overall, epochal 'victory' in their sights, paradoxically, white women are making the biggest mistake ever.

    And get even in these times a lot more White women vote for Romney, a Republican lite candidate.

  36. @CG
    Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme than the one Ta-Nehisi Coates suggested. But this point seems to have eluded the Ivy-educated HuffPo author.

    Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme……

    Lets not forget that Eric Holder and his high yaller wife won’t be getting reparations either. Both are the offspring of Barbados immigrants. Obama and Holder are fakers who have zero American slave ancestry, of course this has never stopped them from agitating and issuing phoney pleas for a “conversation” about race in America.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Seeing that freshly-arrived immigrants can benefit from AA, I'm sure the principle of granting reparations could be stretched and twisted till every black in America is eligible. It was whites who used slaves in the Caribbean, and where would the grievance industry be without white collective guilt?
    , @oh its just me
    Hasn't stopped them from receiving affirmative action benefits..in fact it's more likely Obama's ancestors were slave traders, being muslim.... since whites are collectively guilty and blacks collective victims it won't matter.
  37. Reminds me Stewie beating the crap out of Brian in Family Guy, except it isn’t funny.

  38. @Clyde

    Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme......
     
    Lets not forget that Eric Holder and his high yaller wife won't be getting reparations either. Both are the offspring of Barbados immigrants. Obama and Holder are fakers who have zero American slave ancestry, of course this has never stopped them from agitating and issuing phoney pleas for a "conversation" about race in America.

    Seeing that freshly-arrived immigrants can benefit from AA, I’m sure the principle of granting reparations could be stretched and twisted till every black in America is eligible. It was whites who used slaves in the Caribbean, and where would the grievance industry be without white collective guilt?

  39. JSM says:
    @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off

    Why not institute your plan but make it Back to Africa? The president of Senegal said at the time of the Haitian earthquake, any Blacks who want to, can come back to Senegal and be given free land.

    http://rosebellkagumire.com/2010/01/17/410/

  40. @Anonymous
    Actually the strangest part of the (99% incoherent) video was Eric Roberts popping up now & then as the shifty/leering sheriff's deputy... He's randomly appeared in music videos before, typically as some sleazy person the protagonist is confronting; but in context here it seems as if he's winking at these up-to-no-good girls, or is somehow in on the nubile multiethnic gang's kidnapping/torture jag. The creepiness is tough to describe, exactly... A sign of great art, I suppose

    And, if you'd watched it all the way you would've seen the wife is just a red herring -- the true target of the home invasion ends up being new epitome of Scary White Male, that NBC "Hannibal" guy

    Fun Fact: Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013."

    He sounds like the actor in "Holy Motors" who gets chauffeured from job to job while changing in the back.

    There's an Alternative Universe history of movies in which Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke dominate the 1990s, winning a half dozen Oscars between them.

  41. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Behind the curtain there’s probably some pale males pushing this, making their fortune. DailyMail can’t get enough of the Kardashians and Tarentino has been selling torture porn for years now. I know someone will mention Mencken’s name regarding the taste of the American public. There’s money to be made here. US blacks seem to be a performer class entertaining the white masses with their singing, dancing, videos, sports and other public behavior such as riots, flash mobbing and general posturing.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    "So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?"

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    This pre-dates “Double Fantasy.”

    Neil Young had the engineer do this with the first songs he sang for the Buffalo Springfield, “Burned” and “Out of My Mind.” He was insecure about his singing and they patched together endless takes.

    They also did this with Jan Berry in the 1970s, when he sang songs after the car crash that caused him brain damage. Go to YouTube and check out his first post-crash vocal, “Mother Earth,” if you want to hear how successful this method could be.

    In both cases, engineers purportedly not only edited together takes, but stopped and started the tapes so the singers could “punch in” individual lines, time and time again.

  43. Frank Zappa penned his ‘Joe’s Garage’ album* after he learned The Ayatollah had banned music in Iran on the grounds that it was decadent and such. Apparently he thought Ray Gun and Falwell and those Moral Majority cats would try a similar thing in the US. Oh noes! Muh musics!

    Now, of course, seeing (and, unfortunately from time to time, hearing) the state of popular music in The Land of Caitlyn, I don’t think a total ban on music would be such a bad thing. No new music would get made, and the old stuff would go underground again. I could dig it.

    *P.S. – How long until that album’s cover is censored? I mean, Good God … blackface!! GASP!!!

    • Replies: @josh
    I watched footloose not long ago and sided with Lithgow.
  44. ziel says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    "So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?"

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    Good story. Auto-tuning certainly didn’t exist back in the Beatles’ day, and John didn’t need it anyway, but Lennon still insisted on his voice being heavily processed, once even asking if his voice could be “directly injected” into the soundboard as Emerick/Martin did often with electric guitars rather than record with a mic off the amps. This Wiki article on audio flanging includes a classic story about one of these Lennon/Martin back-and-forths.

    Paul’s vocal pitch was less certain than his partner’s, but he usually solved that with multiple takes until he got it perfect. Considering that he’s basically a mediocre vocalist (for a top performer) and a sub-par pianist, it’s rather astonishing that the first 8 bars of “Hey Jude!” – among the most captivating in all of popular music – consists of nothing but Paul’s voice and piano.

  45. You guys are such pathetic metrosexuals. One rather raunchy YouTube video and suddenly you’re panicking about the next South Africa.

    I miss the old blog so bad these days.

  46. For Steve’s commentary on race-obsessed themed pop culture, it’s usually fun to see what Google offers about those who rise to the stomp-on-the-human-face occasion.

    Guardian authors Tracy McVeigh and Edward Helmore — tired-looking Nice White Lady and white New Yorker, respectively.

    Barbara Sostaita, Masters Candidate in Religion at Yale, HuffPo author, and Conquistador-American.

    Karley Sciortino, sultry blonde Vogue columnist and ‘Dildo-Licking, Dominatrix-Loving’ New Face of Feminism.

    Oppressed females of color are sure to be well-served by these SJW saviors.

  47. @Auntie Analogue
    Western Civilization. C'est fini.

    AA: “Western Civilization. C’est fini .”
    So?
    Game on!
    Those guys like slaves. They really really like ’em.

    • Replies: @Niccolo Salo
    Who? A bunch of Hollywood actors?
  48. @casey
    All over the world millions of kids ages 9-18 (and younger probably) watched this video over the last couple of days, imagine that. I can't.

    Any complaints about that have been shut down by black feminists with "it is 18 and over where are the parents" as if that is going to stop anyone. You can safely assume that most of her young fans have seen it.

    Torture porn has been normalized and is now promoted by MSM, wow.

    Of whites. And yes I think they are priming society for that.

  49. @Clyde

    Also, being Barbadian, presumably Rihanna would benefit from a different reparations scheme......
     
    Lets not forget that Eric Holder and his high yaller wife won't be getting reparations either. Both are the offspring of Barbados immigrants. Obama and Holder are fakers who have zero American slave ancestry, of course this has never stopped them from agitating and issuing phoney pleas for a "conversation" about race in America.

    Hasn’t stopped them from receiving affirmative action benefits..in fact it’s more likely Obama’s ancestors were slave traders, being muslim…. since whites are collectively guilty and blacks collective victims it won’t matter.

  50. @Justin
    Things like this are among the reasons I have grown to deeply hate America. We pump this cultural sewage all over the world. Someone should nuke us. Happy 5th of July.

    Things like this are among the reasons I have grown to deeply hate America. We pump this cultural sewage all over the world. Someone should nuke us. Happy 5th of July.

    I take it that you don’t watch much British TV, say something sweet and innocent like Queer as Folk, the show that brought male on male analingus to a mainstream audience…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_as_Folk_(UK_TV_series)

    Or the rich French history of sexploitation cinema……

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuelle_(film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuelle_2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye_Emmanuelle

  51. The saddest part is that someone like Rihanna (whose MVs have adult themes like BDSM, russian roulette, murder, lesbianism, drugs etc) is being promoted to kids with the animation film Home, produced by DreamWorks.

  52. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off.

    No. It has been the Yankees who started this whole mess. Let the Blacks have Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    No. It has been the Yankees who started this whole mess. Let the Blacks have Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, and Illinois.
     
    I've always thought that a good population transfer plan during Reconstruction would have involved turning Mississippi into an independent Black Republic. Just move out all the Whites and transport in the emancipated slaves.

    I could have been sold as social justice/reparations: "Your ancestors picked the cotton that made the White elite of this state wealthy.Now you will own the land that you formerly worked."

  53. Ted says:
    @iSteveFan

    We are living in a time where it is impossible to dismiss the legacies of colonialism, slavery and violence, which shape lives and worlds in the present.
     
    She might have a point. Greece and the rest of the Balkans seem pretty messed up after 500 years of Ottoman domination. Some on this blog like to point out the paucity of great minds coming from the Iberian peninsula. Maybe seven centuries of occupation took its toll too. Add to both the slave raiders and it might help to explain why Southern/Eastern Europe are so hosed. When are they going to get their reparations?

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines…doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders. Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines
     
    Much of that involved luck: Hapsburg legacies, the arrows of disease working in the Old World's favor, etc

    …doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders.
     
    Be interesting to compare the Anglo engineering legacy to the Hispanic.....

    Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.
     

    And the Anglos produced Newton, Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Locke, Hume, Robert Goddard, the Wright bros, Bell, Morse, Shakespeare, Rutherford, Edison, Faraday, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Milton, Stephenson, Frank Whittle, Priestly, Hubble, Darwin, Claude Shannon,Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc, etc


    It bears repeating, I suppose:


    Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind ( cf Murray,Human Accomplishment, 338):


    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures.
     
    (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    And look at the maps on pages 301-303 of Human Accomplishment.They show the origins of significant figures in the arts and the sciences from 1400 to 1950 in Europe.The Iberian Peninsula contributes very, very little.Compared to Western Europe's big 4 (Britain, Italy, Germany, France), Iberia is quite third tier.

    , @Duke of Qin
    His original point still stands. Rule by barbarian scum tends to devastate the socio-economic capital of countries. The most prosperous Spanish provinces are those immediately adjacent to the Pyrenees and were either never or only briefly under Muslim control. The poorest Extremadura, Murcia, Castile-La Mancha, and Andalusia are naturally the southernmost and spent the longest under Muslim occupation. Slavery degrades people like nothing else.

    My own homeland was devastated twice by barbarian savages, the second time much more terminally to the point that per capita incomes in 1850 were less HALF of what they were in 1050. Stagnation would have been an improvement.
  54. Vulture called the song “a slice of ratchet heaven,” and Billboard exalted Rihanna as a “trap queen” who has taken claim to her throne with this single. While I agree with both of these assertions […]

    I guess it takes a graduate-degree candidacy at Yale to agree or disagree with either or both of those assertions, because I can’t: I have no idea what they mean.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I don't want to know what "rachet heaven" and "trap queen" mean.
    , @Anonymous
    A 'Trap Queen' is a woman you can trust to run your crack house for you (and is, more generally, a trustworthy figure who always behaves appropriate to the situation).

    The artist Fetty Wap recently authored a paean to such a female.

  55. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Fun Fact: Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013.

    “Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013.”

    He sounds like the actor in “Holy Motors” who gets chauffeured from job to job while changing in the back.

    There’s an Alternative Universe history of movies in which Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke dominate the 1990s, winning a half dozen Oscars between them.

    • Replies: @EriK
    I liked The Pope of Greenwich Village
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW6IrQSR9X4
    , @Anonymous
    Mickey Rourke I can understand but what's the deal with Eric Roberts? He is an excellent actor - certainly on a par with any of the A-list Hollywood stars.
  56. @slumber_j

    Vulture called the song “a slice of ratchet heaven,” and Billboard exalted Rihanna as a “trap queen” who has taken claim to her throne with this single. While I agree with both of these assertions [...]
     
    I guess it takes a graduate-degree candidacy at Yale to agree or disagree with either or both of those assertions, because I can't: I have no idea what they mean.

    I don’t want to know what “rachet heaven” and “trap queen” mean.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    In the absence of any actual understanding, I find "trap queen" the more disturbing expression.
    , @anon

    I don’t want to know what “rachet heaven” and “trap queen” mean.
     
    Not as bad as I expected. From urbandictionary.com:


    "Ratchet": A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she's wrong.

    "Trap queen": A bomb-ass female. The baddest female. She is loyal to her friends, lives for her family, and gives no fucks to bitter, petty bitches. She also enjoys listening to trap music.

    "Trap music": In laymen’s terms, Trap music would be best described as a recipe;

    1/3 hip hop (tempo and song structure similar) – however vocals are usually pitched lower or higher
    1/3 dubstep (similar drum arrangements, different builds and drops)
    1/3 dub (Low frequency focus and strong emphasis on repetitiveness throughout a song)
  57. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    “Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of ‘reparations’.”

    From their perspective, they’re framing it right. The more intelligent blacks, presumably including Mr. Coates, know that their demand for reparations is ridiculous. They just want repeated payoffs from the dwindling white population to keep blacks from rioting and burning cities. Their random acts of violent crime against non-blacks will continue in any event.

    You won’t see Jesse and Al, Benjamin Crump or Barack Obama, supporting a Republic of New Africa. They see plenty of instructive examples in the Old Africa and in parts of America such as Baltimore: Under black control, areas rapidly degenerate into hellish jungles. American black “leaders” are too busy living the good life in a society created by white Europeans, all the while shaking down their benefactors with non-stop specious complaints.

  58. Coates is a broken record who cannot write an piece without including the phrase “black bodies”, “plunder”, or references some racial wrong that occurred decades before any of his readers were born. Based on his own writings his father was a white-hating racist and his most recent offering on The Atlantic apparently instructs his son that America’s past time is destroying blacks.

    As with the rest of the left when it comes to matters of racial wrongs, there is no endpoint – there is no policy prescription where he would consider accounts settled. It’s grievance in perpetuity and hatred of the very culture and society that has enabled him to earn a very comfortable living despite being a mediocre writing talent.

    • Replies: @Niccolo Salo
    Solid post.

    To add:

    TNC himself is too much of a coward to go all in and go for the Malcolm X/Marcus Garvey option instead of the more popular but failed MLK vision that the USA adopted.

    He talks the former but falls just short of saying it because he knows in his heart that a black state would fail....yet his adorers still cling to the integrationism of MLK which to all sensible viewers has miserably failed Americans, especially blacks who are outside of the Talented Tenth and sports and entertainment.
  59. @Chris Mallory

    For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off.
     
    No. It has been the Yankees who started this whole mess. Let the Blacks have Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

    No. It has been the Yankees who started this whole mess. Let the Blacks have Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

    I’ve always thought that a good population transfer plan during Reconstruction would have involved turning Mississippi into an independent Black Republic. Just move out all the Whites and transport in the emancipated slaves.

    I could have been sold as social justice/reparations: “Your ancestors picked the cotton that made the White elite of this state wealthy.Now you will own the land that you formerly worked.”

  60. These reparations reminds me of these old skits from the Dave Chappelle Show.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    "So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?"

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit “Believe”. Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Hapalong Cassidy says:

    @Steve Sailer

    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit “Believe”. Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice."

    Cher's voice became as synthetic as she herself is. I believe that she is now mostly made out of RTV.
    , @shrinker
    Technically that was how the "auto-tune glitch craze" started -- like record-scratching, or backwards-masking I guess. The auto-tune software isn't supposed to produce that sound itself, when used properly. A couple years back Steve Albini wrote a column for AV Club on the ensuing insufferable trend of auto-mistune singing FX
  62. @Steve Sailer
    I don't want to know what "rachet heaven" and "trap queen" mean.

    In the absence of any actual understanding, I find “trap queen” the more disturbing expression.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    It's the gadget that flings out the clay pigeons. Perhaps she's a dab hand and prizewinner with the old 12-bore under-and-over?
    Only other thing I can think of is she's a fine amateur plumber with a bit of a rep among aficionados. A skill to be much valued in any woman.
  63. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Or is she just a mediocre singer?"

    Uh, yes, she is. If she were all that, she wouldn't need her voice to be processed in the first place. She would just sing her songs in her own authentic voice.

    In current top 40 at least, it does appear that fewer recording artists's voices are coming thru unprocessed by pitch corrections, computer processors, etc.

    Thank you Madonna for starting this craze! Or did it exist before the early 80's?

    Don't think that Doris Day, Rosemary Clooney, Sinatra, etc had pitch corrected vocals for their pop standard hits.

    So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?

    Since the beginning, pop music was engineered in the studio by middle-aged fat guys no one would pay to see perform. Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50’s through the 70’s.

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.
     
    Maybe Tracy Chapman loving White lesbians or whoever was in that market.
    , @Rifleman

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50′s through the 70′s.
     
    ......and Carol Kaye.

    Oral History with Carol Kaye of the Wrecking Crew (May 2005) - Being a Woman Session Player

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WQTrr3GZ4&hd=1

    Carol Kaye - Better Days

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkqyM8XgAAs&hd=1
  64. What’s the dividing line between being a “Hip-Hop Scholar” and say, just a mere “Hip-Hop Graduate”?

    Assuming I want to pursue this academic discipline (and I do), where should I start?

    Before you scoff at my presumptuousness, let me just state: I know I am not Hip-Hop Scholar material.

    YET.

    But I am willing to do whatever it takes to fulfill this dream. And I won’t give up.

  65. @slumber_j
    In the absence of any actual understanding, I find "trap queen" the more disturbing expression.

    It’s the gadget that flings out the clay pigeons. Perhaps she’s a dab hand and prizewinner with the old 12-bore under-and-over?
    Only other thing I can think of is she’s a fine amateur plumber with a bit of a rep among aficionados. A skill to be much valued in any woman.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There's an extended trap shooting sequence in "Jurassic World" in pterodactyls, no doubt as a tribute to Steven Spielberg's love of shooting clay pigeons with shotguns.
  66. @Ted
    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines…doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders. Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines

    Much of that involved luck: Hapsburg legacies, the arrows of disease working in the Old World’s favor, etc

    …doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders.

    Be interesting to compare the Anglo engineering legacy to the Hispanic…..

    Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.

    And the Anglos produced Newton, Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Locke, Hume, Robert Goddard, the Wright bros, Bell, Morse, Shakespeare, Rutherford, Edison, Faraday, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Milton, Stephenson, Frank Whittle, Priestly, Hubble, Darwin, Claude Shannon,Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc, etc

    It bears repeating, I suppose:

    Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind ( cf Murray,Human Accomplishment, 338):

    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures.

    (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    And look at the maps on pages 301-303 of Human Accomplishment.They show the origins of significant figures in the arts and the sciences from 1400 to 1950 in Europe.The Iberian Peninsula contributes very, very little.Compared to Western Europe’s big 4 (Britain, Italy, Germany, France), Iberia is quite third tier.

    • Replies: @Ted
    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.
  67. @Expletive Deleted
    It's the gadget that flings out the clay pigeons. Perhaps she's a dab hand and prizewinner with the old 12-bore under-and-over?
    Only other thing I can think of is she's a fine amateur plumber with a bit of a rep among aficionados. A skill to be much valued in any woman.

    There’s an extended trap shooting sequence in “Jurassic World” in pterodactyls, no doubt as a tribute to Steven Spielberg’s love of shooting clay pigeons with shotguns.

  68. @Steve Sailer
    "So about how far back does the pitch correction, computer enhanced vocals go? 80s? late 70s?"

    Just before his murder, John Lennon produced an album of Yoko Ono singing by having his wife sing each song over and over then having the recording engineer splice together the parts of the tape where she randomly hit the right note.

    So, 1980.

    It wasn’t technically pitch correction, I don’t think, and pre-dated Autotune by 20 years, but The Buggles did a computer-enhanced vocals (well, you can argue whether they were enhanced or just altered) using a Vocoder back in 1979 for “I Love You (Miss Robot).”

    If the name “Buggles” seems vaguely familiar, they were Trevor Horne and Geoff Downes, best known for having the first song that ever appeared on MTV, “Video Killed the Radio Star.” Trevor Horne went on to produce for ABC, Yes, and Asia, among others.

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    Hmmm...there's the talk box, invented IIRC by Bob Heil and used to great effect by Joe Walsh in his 1973 classic "Rocky Mountain Way", and more famously but much less artistically by Peter Frampton on his faked-in-the-studio-live-album "Frampton Comes Alive" in 1975.

    Then there's the Vocoder, which I think first cracked the charts in 1977 on "Sweet Talkin' Woman" from the Electric Light Orchestra; Jeff Lynne used it quite a bit on the "Out of the Blue" double LP. Then there's the Buggles as you mentioned, but perhaps the oddest use of the Vocoder was by ol' electro-bozo himself, Neil Young, on 1982's "Trans" (well predating WWT :-). Neil went on the road in Europe for that disc with an all-star band, captured by an HBO special made of the final night - a concert in West Berlin - that is just terrific.

    But the Autotune we all know and love (not) first hit big with Cher's "Believe".

  69. which is presumably inspired by the tinny-voiced singer’s lawsuit against her accountant for telling her in 2009 that buying a house in the Hollywood Hills ought to be a good investment and other complaints.

    That was how the video came across to me. I doubt many vocal artists are really smart with their money, particularly if you’re from a culture where you’ve got to spread the green around a whole entourage of family and friends.

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities. But apparently when your cash flow is down, you just belt out some lyrics, get the engineers to work on it, shoot a video, and enough dolts provide ad revenue or pay for downloads to get you flush again.

    In a serious culture, most women in pop music would be strippers in the red light district or, one hopes, married to successful men.

    Speaking of sex, I’m not telling anybody here anything they don’t already know, but this feminist trope of unbridled, pregnancy-free sex as ’empowering’ is more designed to benefit amoral men who want to screw lots of women but don’t want to be fathers or husbands. And as I type this, I remember Mad Magazine writing this very joke way back when, in a satire that pitted then-hunky Burt Reynolds with the then still-nubile crop of feminists. We never learn.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities.
     
    Many celebrities live frugally, despite the stereotype, including a few black ones like Tyra Banks.
    , @Whiskey
    Ad revenues even from very widely viewed videos are minuscule. If Rihanna is getting money, it certainly is not from ad revenues, nor album sales, nor download, nor streaming. Nor is it likely from concert tickets. Compare/contrast the revenues available from fans of the Eagles in concert tickets to say, Rihanna.

    Katy Perry tours constantly, but her divorce financials were instructive. Her ex husband Russel Brand had nearly as much money. It seems music just doesn't make that much save a few superstars whose fans can pay a lot of money for tickets: the Stones, Elton John, etc.
  70. Since I hate waiting:

    Ted:

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines

    Much of that involved luck: Hapsburg legacies, the arrows of disease working in the Old World’s favor, etc

    …doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders.

    Be interesting to compare the Anglo engineering legacy to the Hispanic…..

    Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.

    And the Anglos produced Newton, Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Locke, Hume, Robert Goddard, the Wright bros, Bell, Morse, Shakespeare, Rutherford, Edison, Faraday, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Milton, Stephenson, Frank Whittle, Priestly, Hubble, Darwin, Claude Shannon,Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc, etc

    It bears repeating, I suppose:

    Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind ( cf Murray,Human Accomplishment, 338):

    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures.

    (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    And look at the maps on pages 301-303 of Human Accomplishment.They show the origins of significant figures in the arts and the sciences from 1400 to 1950 in Europe.The Iberian Peninsula contributes very, very little.Compared to Western Europe’s big 4 (Britain, Italy, Germany, France), Iberia is quite third tier.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    Portugal seems to have had its act together at one time. You need quite a few high-IQ men who can handle the mathematics and abstract thinking required for astronomy, navigation, cartography, ship engineering, logistics, provisioning, finance and insurance to have done all those long-distance sea voyages the Portuguese made in the 15th and 16th Centuries.
  71. @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ

    I read somewhere that Frank deliberately roughed up his voice to be distinctive or authentic or something. Maybe in his mid-20s.

    Sinatra still leaves me somewhat underwhelmed; I find the musical arrangements of that era irritating. The equivalent of the laughter track on Monty Python.

    But Frank is a siren of the gods compared to Rihanna.

  72. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    Rapper Azealia Banks is up for it!

    When asked why she always brings up the topic of race in interviews and Twitter, Banks replied: “Because y’all motherf—ers still owe me reparations! That’s why it’s all about race… As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f— out of here, and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.”

    Sounds like a petulant 13-year-old. Good luck getting her to follow through with that threat.

    • Replies: @Curle

    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.
     
    It has always been thus, both North and South, at least since before the Civil War and among the common white population of both regions. One reason to be skeptical of the victor's telling of that war is that such an enterprise, sought diligently for decades before the war by the American Colonization Society, foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo). In other words, the problem of slavery (which was a multi-part problem, part ethical consideration for Christians, part safety consideration for southern states with no good mechanism to control a free black population and part demographic migratory consideration for white northern workers concerned about cheap labor from free blacks) could have been solved for a price almost certainly cheaper than war had ending slavery been the primary goal. Ending slavery wasn't the primary goal; consolidating the union and reducing the power of the states was the main goal which is why war was necessary.
  73. “As Rihanna articulates” Hilarious. Well done Steve.

  74. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    Rihanna could have hired a couple of illegal Mexicans with criminal records to do the heavy lifting for her.

    Considering how America’s black population has turned several formerly thriving white American cities into movie sets for the zombie apocalypse, I think blacks collectively owe the white population reparations for all the property values they have destroyed. We really should stop coddling and enabling these people.

  75. Okay, that was bad, but this Eminem track remains the creepiest hip hop song ever.

  76. @Ted
    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines…doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders. Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.

    His original point still stands. Rule by barbarian scum tends to devastate the socio-economic capital of countries. The most prosperous Spanish provinces are those immediately adjacent to the Pyrenees and were either never or only briefly under Muslim control. The poorest Extremadura, Murcia, Castile-La Mancha, and Andalusia are naturally the southernmost and spent the longest under Muslim occupation. Slavery degrades people like nothing else.

    My own homeland was devastated twice by barbarian savages, the second time much more terminally to the point that per capita incomes in 1850 were less HALF of what they were in 1050. Stagnation would have been an improvement.

    • Replies: @Ted
    I agree. The general point stands.

    Although, as an interesting aside, regions closest to the Pyrenees in Spain are richer than the northwestern Galicia/Asturias (which mostly avoided occupation) in part because the central government assumed it would be easier to export into the continent if industry was concentrated on the border with France, moving manufacturing from places like Valencia into Catalunya.
  77. During the Thirty Years War, a marauding Catholic army burned down a distant ancestor’s farm in Thuringia. The Pope hasn’t paid me any reparations yet, not even a discounted admissions ticket to the Vatican Museum.

    Note to Black People: Don’t hold your breath on that reparations thing.

  78. @The Z Blog
    Since the beginning, pop music was engineered in the studio by middle-aged fat guys no one would pay to see perform. Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50's through the 70's.

    Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.

    Maybe Tracy Chapman loving White lesbians or whoever was in that market.

  79. @The Z Blog
    Since the beginning, pop music was engineered in the studio by middle-aged fat guys no one would pay to see perform. Rihanna has the mulatto look the industry craves, because it appeals to women of all races. Have a nappy-haired afro-queen sing the same songs and no one buys her music.

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50's through the 70's.

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50′s through the 70′s.

    ……and Carol Kaye.

    Oral History with Carol Kaye of the Wrecking Crew (May 2005) – Being a Woman Session Player

    Carol Kaye – Better Days

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    That's right. IIRC, she was the only woman in the Wrecking Crew. I think they just did another documentary on them. There was one in the last decade. I've not seen either of them, but now that it is in my mind I think I'll add them to my Amazon list.

    The thing I liked about the book it covered more than just the Wrecking Crew. It was a good popular history of the West Coast recording industry in the early year.

    I always thought Ahmet Ertegün would be a great biography. That's a man who lived an interesting life.
  80. “Hip hop scholar.” Heh. Reminds me of my fourth grade graduation ceremony.

  81. Reparations sounds like good idea.

    After calculating the economic contributions of slaves and their descendants, and then deducting the cost of decades of public housing, food stamps, welfare, affirmative action, etc, African Americans shouldn’t owe more than a few hundred dollars each.

  82. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3eAMGXFw1o

    I suggest watching the entire video.

    Truly a musical masterpiece for the ages.

    I did indeed watch the entire video.

    But since it’s painful for me to hear bad vocals, I took the precaution of muting her non-musical masterpiece and listening to these vocals instead:

    Seems to me the notion of reparations to blacks for slavery etc. is pretty bone-headed. Rihanna, Ta-Nehisi, et al benefit enormously from technological advances that would unavailable to them were they to rely solely on the contributions of their own race to civilization. They’ve already got “theirs” and then some, but apparently, gratitude and a sense of fair play are abstract notions like future time orientation that seem not to be evenly distributed throughout the population.

  83. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    Those of us who reside in The South, and have some modicum of affection for the land would propose a different location for the RNA. While the acronym would need to be changed, Hati would be a good option.

  84. It would be so much easier if white men didn’t exist

  85. It’s time for The Onion to fold up its tent. The satirical skills of the writers in The Guardian and Huffington Post far exceed the (admittedly modest) talents of The Onion’s writers. And the Guardian/HuffPo, etc. authors achieve this feat with a considerable handicap – they are not even aware that they are writing pure comedy gold – they thing they are being serious.

  86. she doesn’t have the greatest voice but this video is probably her trying to get into the Future/Young Thug/Chief Keef market where the “artists” just mumbles a lot. it’s actually very popular now.

  87. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "Vogue.com columnist Karley Sciortino said..."

    That's the same woman who can be seen on sites like XHamster and Vimeo performing oral sex and masturbating naked on a fire escape. Look up her name along with "Slutever," which is her blog.

    This is where the mainstream media is getting its information from. And this is what Vogue is now normalizing for its young female readers. I'd provide links, but Steve would moderate my comment out of existence, which says something right there.

    Vogue joins other rags like Cosmo and Glamour on the greasy stripper pole. The business model is first and foremost to publish anything that will generate advertising, page views and revenue, not to establish an editorial philosophy or what used to be worth reading.

    Madonna’s song led models to retort: We don’t vogue, we are vogue. She, Warhol and others had their 15 minutes of fame.

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    wow, youtube allows bare breasts now? Look at 1:55

    wow, youtube allows bare breasts now?

    Just FYI, YouTube has allowed rather serious nudity for years. Most of the time you need an account to see it though, and they’ve been pretty rigorous about keeping out pornography. Given the number of countries that YouTube operates in, and the various moral climates, this seems like a fairly difficult issue to manage. I feel like I ought to know this already, but I wonder if these videos are visible everywhere, or whether YouTube helpfully provides an API that allows governments to selectively block them.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    "Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013."

    He sounds like the actor in "Holy Motors" who gets chauffeured from job to job while changing in the back.

    There's an Alternative Universe history of movies in which Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke dominate the 1990s, winning a half dozen Oscars between them.

    I liked The Pope of Greenwich Village

  90. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @syonredux
    Since I hate waiting:

    Ted:

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines
     
    Much of that involved luck: Hapsburg legacies, the arrows of disease working in the Old World’s favor, etc

    …doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders.
     
    Be interesting to compare the Anglo engineering legacy to the Hispanic…..

    Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.
     
    And the Anglos produced Newton, Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Locke, Hume, Robert Goddard, the Wright bros, Bell, Morse, Shakespeare, Rutherford, Edison, Faraday, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Milton, Stephenson, Frank Whittle, Priestly, Hubble, Darwin, Claude Shannon,Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc, etc

    It bears repeating, I suppose:


    Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind ( cf Murray,Human Accomplishment, 338):

    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures.
     
    (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    And look at the maps on pages 301-303 of Human Accomplishment.They show the origins of significant figures in the arts and the sciences from 1400 to 1950 in Europe.The Iberian Peninsula contributes very, very little.Compared to Western Europe’s big 4 (Britain, Italy, Germany, France), Iberia is quite third tier.

    Portugal seems to have had its act together at one time. You need quite a few high-IQ men who can handle the mathematics and abstract thinking required for astronomy, navigation, cartography, ship engineering, logistics, provisioning, finance and insurance to have done all those long-distance sea voyages the Portuguese made in the 15th and 16th Centuries.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Portugal seems to have had its act together at one time. You need quite a few high-IQ men who can handle the mathematics and abstract thinking required for astronomy, navigation, cartography, ship engineering, logistics, provisioning, finance and insurance to have done all those long-distance sea voyages the Portuguese made in the 15th and 16th Centuries.
     
    On the other hand, Portugal has not given us a Newton, an Euler, a Gauss, a Leibniz, a Descartes, a Hilbert, a Riemann, an Archimedes, a Diophantus, etc, etc, etc,

    Iberian mediocrity.
  91. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    Sounds like Jackson’s Indian Removal policy. Maybe the results could be very similar.

  92. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    The Atlantic‘s website has apparently blocked the ability to post responses to Coates’s whining about how bad blacks in the U.S. have it:

    Letter to My Son

    “Here is what I would like for you to know: In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body—it is heritage.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/tanehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me/397619/

    • Replies: @shrinker
    When he writes about doing stuff to "the" black body it just sounds a bit tinny to me, like some comic-book supervillain roaring, "Enough pleasantries, constable-- you weell tell me, where is the Bat-man hiding? Vengeance weeell be mine"
  93. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    which is presumably inspired by the tinny-voiced singer’s lawsuit against her accountant for telling her in 2009 that buying a house in the Hollywood Hills ought to be a good investment and other complaints.
     
    That was how the video came across to me. I doubt many vocal artists are really smart with their money, particularly if you're from a culture where you've got to spread the green around a whole entourage of family and friends.

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities. But apparently when your cash flow is down, you just belt out some lyrics, get the engineers to work on it, shoot a video, and enough dolts provide ad revenue or pay for downloads to get you flush again.

    In a serious culture, most women in pop music would be strippers in the red light district or, one hopes, married to successful men.

    Speaking of sex, I'm not telling anybody here anything they don't already know, but this feminist trope of unbridled, pregnancy-free sex as 'empowering' is more designed to benefit amoral men who want to screw lots of women but don't want to be fathers or husbands. And as I type this, I remember Mad Magazine writing this very joke way back when, in a satire that pitted then-hunky Burt Reynolds with the then still-nubile crop of feminists. We never learn.

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities.

    Many celebrities live frugally, despite the stereotype, including a few black ones like Tyra Banks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Southern California real estate market bails out a lot of celebrities.
  94. As a kid I witnessed Jim Crow, of which I disapproved, but dignity was common and obvious among blacks, obvious even to a kid. Under equality that quality has disappeared. Hard lesson.

    If I hated blacks I would support reparations. Imagine the trillion or two flushed in “stimulus” spending instead having gone to reparations, like shit through a goose.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren't a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won't. It's not just PC. It's also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad.
  95. @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ

    sorry Steve, nobody comes close to Bing Crosby. And certainly not Sinatra. There was one Pavarotti and there was one Bing.

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

  96. @Glaivester
    It wasn't technically pitch correction, I don't think, and pre-dated Autotune by 20 years, but The Buggles did a computer-enhanced vocals (well, you can argue whether they were enhanced or just altered) using a Vocoder back in 1979 for "I Love You (Miss Robot)."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm00l5N8Jao

    If the name "Buggles" seems vaguely familiar, they were Trevor Horne and Geoff Downes, best known for having the first song that ever appeared on MTV, "Video Killed the Radio Star." Trevor Horne went on to produce for ABC, Yes, and Asia, among others.

    Hmmm…there’s the talk box, invented IIRC by Bob Heil and used to great effect by Joe Walsh in his 1973 classic “Rocky Mountain Way”, and more famously but much less artistically by Peter Frampton on his faked-in-the-studio-live-album “Frampton Comes Alive” in 1975.

    Then there’s the Vocoder, which I think first cracked the charts in 1977 on “Sweet Talkin’ Woman” from the Electric Light Orchestra; Jeff Lynne used it quite a bit on the “Out of the Blue” double LP. Then there’s the Buggles as you mentioned, but perhaps the oddest use of the Vocoder was by ol’ electro-bozo himself, Neil Young, on 1982’s “Trans” (well predating WWT :-). Neil went on the road in Europe for that disc with an all-star band, captured by an HBO special made of the final night – a concert in West Berlin – that is just terrific.

    But the Autotune we all know and love (not) first hit big with Cher’s “Believe”.

    • Replies: @Curle

    Neil Young, on 1982′s “Trans”
     
    I liked Trans when it came out but it isn't carried by my streaming music service. I understand that Geffen sued Young over the album, calling it insufficiently commercial and that it was never released on CD in the US. At times the thing appears to have been buried although Youtube carries some cuts.
    , @Curle

    there’s the talk box
     
    And before that they simply sped up the tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be8zOB6OjWg
  97. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/apr/15/chinese-students-in-uk-poor-results

    “Why aren’t Chinese students at UK universities getting top degrees?: New research shows undergraduates from China studying at British universities get fewer firsts than those from other countries”, The Guardian, Harriet Swain, 15 April 2014:

    “…This is because, unlike in China, she says, there is so much emphasis during the course on teamwork and group projects, so socialising with other students is crucial. “It’s not about what you know and how you work, it’s really about working with other people – especially British people,” she says. “I find that so difficult.”

    …Liu, 23, who is in her final year of a BSc in business administration at the University of Bath’s school of management, is one of more than 80,000 Chinese students studying in UK universities. They make up the largest group of international students – there are now nearly as many Chinese as UK full-time postgraduate students and over 38,000 undergraduates – and their numbers are growing fast. As a result, they are responsible for a large proportion of the more than £10bn a year that international students contribute to the UK economy. …

    …new research shows that where their academic attainment is concerned, the picture is not so good.

    …This undermines the traditional stereotype of the hard-working, high-achieving Chinese student. “There is all this talk – almost propaganda – about how brilliant the Chinese education system is, so when they come to the UK you would expect them to do really well,” says Zhiqi Wang, …

    …”We could clearly see the poor performance of Chinese students at UK universities but we had no idea why it was.” …

    …Crawford and Wang believe the slump… two factors. First, Chinese students fail to adapt their approaches to learning and so their performance declines in the later years of a degree when the complexity of the work increases. And, second… the strong focus in China on study and achieving qualifications means many young people enrol in higher education due to pressure from family or the jobs market rather than their own motivation. …

    …”We accept all these students but we don’t know much about them,” … “I see some of them struggling because they really don’t know before coming here exactly what is expected of them.”…

    …”We may be accepting students who aren’t as good as they should be. …

    In China, …working incredibly hard at school and performing well in exams to get to a good university matters more than what happens once they are there.

    …But it could also be that UK institutions need to work harder…”

    Ah, so it is the fault of those evil, racist, narrow-minded UK schools. You can be sure if Asian students are not doing better than white students it is institutional racism. You’ve all heard of the UKKK, right?

    The business about working real hard to get into school, but then relaxing when there, used to be a problem in Japan (maybe still is). It’s usually a sign of the “one big university” in a country from which all the government employees are recruited. I suppose we now have this problem in the US, even with all the universities we have here.

  98. @slumber_j

    Vulture called the song “a slice of ratchet heaven,” and Billboard exalted Rihanna as a “trap queen” who has taken claim to her throne with this single. While I agree with both of these assertions [...]
     
    I guess it takes a graduate-degree candidacy at Yale to agree or disagree with either or both of those assertions, because I can't: I have no idea what they mean.

    A ‘Trap Queen’ is a woman you can trust to run your crack house for you (and is, more generally, a trustworthy figure who always behaves appropriate to the situation).

    The artist Fetty Wap recently authored a paean to such a female.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Okay, thanks. I now know another thing. And Knowledge Is Good.
  99. “Or is she just a mediocre singer?”

    No, she’s a bad singer.

    So, this is what pop-culture has come to. As recently as fifty years ago we had Diana Ross and the Supremes, the Seekers, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye – recording artists who could actually sing well, and with lyrics that did not contain the words “bitch”, “ho”, or “motherf**ker”.

    America has become a wilderness of crap.

  100. @Harry Baldwin
    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    Rapper Azealia Banks is up for it!


    When asked why she always brings up the topic of race in interviews and Twitter, Banks replied: “Because y’all motherf—ers still owe me reparations! That’s why it’s all about race… As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f— out of here, and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.”
     
    Sounds like a petulant 13-year-old. Good luck getting her to follow through with that threat.

    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    It has always been thus, both North and South, at least since before the Civil War and among the common white population of both regions. One reason to be skeptical of the victor’s telling of that war is that such an enterprise, sought diligently for decades before the war by the American Colonization Society, foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo). In other words, the problem of slavery (which was a multi-part problem, part ethical consideration for Christians, part safety consideration for southern states with no good mechanism to control a free black population and part demographic migratory consideration for white northern workers concerned about cheap labor from free blacks) could have been solved for a price almost certainly cheaper than war had ending slavery been the primary goal. Ending slavery wasn’t the primary goal; consolidating the union and reducing the power of the states was the main goal which is why war was necessary.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo).
     
    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project...
  101. There is nothing so depressing as American popular culture, especially song. This – more than the banks, more than Wall St., more than the constant racial friction, more than the political parties – makes me feel that life is going to be much more difficult for my children. The people degraded seems worse than institutions corrupted.

  102. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit "Believe". Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice.

    “Hapalong Cassidy says:

    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit “Believe”. Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice.”

    Cher’s voice became as synthetic as she herself is. I believe that she is now mostly made out of RTV.

  103. @Expletive Deleted
    AA: "Western Civilization. C’est fini ."
    So?
    Game on!
    http://unclebarky.com/reviews_files/vikings.jpg

    Those guys like slaves. They really really like 'em.

    Who? A bunch of Hollywood actors?

  104. @Arclight
    Coates is a broken record who cannot write an piece without including the phrase "black bodies", "plunder", or references some racial wrong that occurred decades before any of his readers were born. Based on his own writings his father was a white-hating racist and his most recent offering on The Atlantic apparently instructs his son that America's past time is destroying blacks.

    As with the rest of the left when it comes to matters of racial wrongs, there is no endpoint - there is no policy prescription where he would consider accounts settled. It's grievance in perpetuity and hatred of the very culture and society that has enabled him to earn a very comfortable living despite being a mediocre writing talent.

    Solid post.

    To add:

    TNC himself is too much of a coward to go all in and go for the Malcolm X/Marcus Garvey option instead of the more popular but failed MLK vision that the USA adopted.

    He talks the former but falls just short of saying it because he knows in his heart that a black state would fail….yet his adorers still cling to the integrationism of MLK which to all sensible viewers has miserably failed Americans, especially blacks who are outside of the Talented Tenth and sports and entertainment.

  105. Is she actually a good singer whom the highest paid studio masters are making sound soulless and inept for reasons I’m far too old to understand?

    Pop music is supposed to be dumb and silly music that feels good in your car or at the gym or at a dance club. Rihanna is portrayed as a youth fashion icon, sex symbol, and pop culture celebrity. Similarly with Britney Spears, Vanilla Ice, or The Spice Girls. If it’s just dawning on you that these pop culture mega hits weren’t selected for their protestant work ethics and their contributions to modern science and medicine, then you are the fool.

    If you want a classically trained “good singer”, go to an opera.

    Having some old grouch humorlessly criticize pop music isn’t worth posting. Trying to tie this into modern political race wars beyond a stretch.

    Sailer and crowd should stick to their strength of brilliant counter points to mainstream views on race, immigration, and left wing politics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Actually, a surprising fraction of the most popular female singers from the late 1980s into the early 2000s were excellent vocal athletes: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera, etc. Women tend to put a higher value on singing skill than men do.
  106. @advancedatheist

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities.
     
    Many celebrities live frugally, despite the stereotype, including a few black ones like Tyra Banks.

    The Southern California real estate market bails out a lot of celebrities.

  107. @Massimo Heitor

    Is she actually a good singer whom the highest paid studio masters are making sound soulless and inept for reasons I’m far too old to understand?
     
    Pop music is supposed to be dumb and silly music that feels good in your car or at the gym or at a dance club. Rihanna is portrayed as a youth fashion icon, sex symbol, and pop culture celebrity. Similarly with Britney Spears, Vanilla Ice, or The Spice Girls. If it's just dawning on you that these pop culture mega hits weren't selected for their protestant work ethics and their contributions to modern science and medicine, then you are the fool.

    If you want a classically trained "good singer", go to an opera.

    Having some old grouch humorlessly criticize pop music isn't worth posting. Trying to tie this into modern political race wars beyond a stretch.

    Sailer and crowd should stick to their strength of brilliant counter points to mainstream views on race, immigration, and left wing politics.

    Actually, a surprising fraction of the most popular female singers from the late 1980s into the early 2000s were excellent vocal athletes: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera, etc. Women tend to put a higher value on singing skill than men do.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Some today are too, e.g., Haley Williams from Paramore, Tyler Glenn from Neon Trees.

    In any case, strong singer or not, Rihanna has had a bunch of catchy hits, like We Found Love. Maybe it was written by a bunch of middle aged white guys in a conference room in Culver City or somewhere, but still catchy.

    , @vinteuil
    "Vocal athletes" is a great phrase. Singing is, after all, a very *physical* art: it begins with sheer athleticism - but that's *only* the beginning. Next, one needs a bit of intelligence, a bit of taste - and possibly a touch of genius. That's what separated Maria Callas from...

    ...oops, sorry - I guess we're talking about Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera & other such electronically assisted warblers, here.

    My mistake.

    But, seriously, people, there's another, higher, world of musical & vocal achievement, just waiting for you to discover it.
  108. @cthulhu
    Hmmm...there's the talk box, invented IIRC by Bob Heil and used to great effect by Joe Walsh in his 1973 classic "Rocky Mountain Way", and more famously but much less artistically by Peter Frampton on his faked-in-the-studio-live-album "Frampton Comes Alive" in 1975.

    Then there's the Vocoder, which I think first cracked the charts in 1977 on "Sweet Talkin' Woman" from the Electric Light Orchestra; Jeff Lynne used it quite a bit on the "Out of the Blue" double LP. Then there's the Buggles as you mentioned, but perhaps the oddest use of the Vocoder was by ol' electro-bozo himself, Neil Young, on 1982's "Trans" (well predating WWT :-). Neil went on the road in Europe for that disc with an all-star band, captured by an HBO special made of the final night - a concert in West Berlin - that is just terrific.

    But the Autotune we all know and love (not) first hit big with Cher's "Believe".

    Neil Young, on 1982′s “Trans”

    I liked Trans when it came out but it isn’t carried by my streaming music service. I understand that Geffen sued Young over the album, calling it insufficiently commercial and that it was never released on CD in the US. At times the thing appears to have been buried although Youtube carries some cuts.

  109. @cthulhu
    Hmmm...there's the talk box, invented IIRC by Bob Heil and used to great effect by Joe Walsh in his 1973 classic "Rocky Mountain Way", and more famously but much less artistically by Peter Frampton on his faked-in-the-studio-live-album "Frampton Comes Alive" in 1975.

    Then there's the Vocoder, which I think first cracked the charts in 1977 on "Sweet Talkin' Woman" from the Electric Light Orchestra; Jeff Lynne used it quite a bit on the "Out of the Blue" double LP. Then there's the Buggles as you mentioned, but perhaps the oddest use of the Vocoder was by ol' electro-bozo himself, Neil Young, on 1982's "Trans" (well predating WWT :-). Neil went on the road in Europe for that disc with an all-star band, captured by an HBO special made of the final night - a concert in West Berlin - that is just terrific.

    But the Autotune we all know and love (not) first hit big with Cher's "Believe".

    there’s the talk box

    And before that they simply sped up the tape

  110. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I don't want to know what "rachet heaven" and "trap queen" mean.

    I don’t want to know what “rachet heaven” and “trap queen” mean.

    Not as bad as I expected. From urbandictionary.com:

    “Ratchet”: A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she’s wrong.

    “Trap queen”: A bomb-ass female. The baddest female. She is loyal to her friends, lives for her family, and gives no fucks to bitter, petty bitches. She also enjoys listening to trap music.

    “Trap music”: In laymen’s terms, Trap music would be best described as a recipe;

    1/3 hip hop (tempo and song structure similar) – however vocals are usually pitched lower or higher
    1/3 dubstep (similar drum arrangements, different builds and drops)
    1/3 dub (Low frequency focus and strong emphasis on repetitiveness throughout a song)

  111. @Steve Sailer
    "Eric Roberts has appeared in over 150 films since 2013."

    He sounds like the actor in "Holy Motors" who gets chauffeured from job to job while changing in the back.

    There's an Alternative Universe history of movies in which Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke dominate the 1990s, winning a half dozen Oscars between them.

    Mickey Rourke I can understand but what’s the deal with Eric Roberts? He is an excellent actor – certainly on a par with any of the A-list Hollywood stars.

  112. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Torture as entertainment has been mainstream in the US for several years now. Think about the TV show, “Dexter,” which featured a sadistic torture-murder in every episode. It got rave reviews and a large, affluent audience.

    More recently, I was shocked to learn that a not insignificant number of my business colleagues, many with graduate degrees from top business and law schools, had avidly watched the ISIS video of the Jordanian pilot being burned alive and talked about it as if it were the latest weekend blockbuster.

  113. Ted says:
    @syonredux

    It was after the end of Muslim occupation that Iberia came to control everything from Alabama to Chile, central Europe, chunks of Italy, the Philippines
     
    Much of that involved luck: Hapsburg legacies, the arrows of disease working in the Old World's favor, etc

    …doesn’t seem like a depressed lot. Conquest took good engineering, especially considering how replete the Americas and the Philippines are with roads and buildings made by the European invaders.
     
    Be interesting to compare the Anglo engineering legacy to the Hispanic.....

    Anyway, Spaniards produced the first account of pulmonary circulation (Servet), microscopic structure of the brain (Ramon y Cajal), synthesis of ribonucleic acid (Ochoa), remote-control (Torres Quevedo), linkages between psychology and endocrinology (Maranon), etc.

    A country’s reputation doesn’t always match its record.
     

    And the Anglos produced Newton, Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Locke, Hume, Robert Goddard, the Wright bros, Bell, Morse, Shakespeare, Rutherford, Edison, Faraday, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Milton, Stephenson, Frank Whittle, Priestly, Hubble, Darwin, Claude Shannon,Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc, etc


    It bears repeating, I suppose:


    Even Spain’s Golden Age was not all that golden when you compare it to what was going on in the rest of Western Europe.Spain from 1500-1650 was just keeping up (barely) with England, France, Italy, etc.Afterwards, it fell far behind ( cf Murray,Human Accomplishment, 338):


    Between 1650 and 1850-during the same two centuries when Britain, France, and Germany were producing hundreds of significant figures and even Italy in its decline produced several dozen-Spain produced a single major figure (Goya) and 11 significant figures.
     
    (Murray, Human Accomplishment , 338

    And look at the maps on pages 301-303 of Human Accomplishment.They show the origins of significant figures in the arts and the sciences from 1400 to 1950 in Europe.The Iberian Peninsula contributes very, very little.Compared to Western Europe's big 4 (Britain, Italy, Germany, France), Iberia is quite third tier.

    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
    , @advancedatheist

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad
     
    That pretty much blows up Austrian economic propaganda about gold as a stable store of value across the centuries.

    And notice that this episode of commodity money inflation happened without central banking or fiat money.
    , @advancedatheist
    Philip II's career poses a challenge to Neoreactionary theory about the advantages of monarchy over democracy regarding the sovereign power's time preference and his responsiveness to incentives to run his kingdom economically. Mediocre kings with smallish possessions can't do much damage, and you have regression to the mean working in your favor. But what do you do when you have a really powerful king, with a lot of resources and cannon fodder at his disposal, who has empire-building ambitions that he lacks the skill to enact effectively? No wonder his kingdom had to declare bankruptcy several times, despite all the gold and silver coming in from Spanish colonies in the New World.

    By contrast, his contemporary and adversary in England, Elizabeth I, inherited a bankrupt kingdom, but she has some good business sense and she left it in much better shape for her first cousin twice-removed, James VI of Scotland, when he inherited her throne and became known as James I.
    , @syonredux

    Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck.
     
    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

    More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.
     
    Got there first.Big advantage.And ruling over Mestizos and Amerinds seems fairly easy.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”,
     
    Well, its culture certainly wasn't, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).
     
    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion),
     
    A cliche, but a true one.Spain's conquests were her downfall.She was like a spendthrift heir burning through her inheritance.

    constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.
     
    Spanish torpor was proverbial long before the 19th century.

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.
     
    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don't really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.
  114. @Ted
    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Yes: Hugh Thomas's The Conquest of Mexico is a great read on some of that.
    , @Rifleman

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Why?

    The Spanish had the germs and immunity, the Aztecs and Incas were vulnerable and suffered and died due to the diseases.

    The Spanish had metal and guns and horses. The Aztecs and Incas had nothing comparable.

    The outcome was more predictable than astonishing.
    , @syonredux

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Astonishing? Sure.Capturing prizes of such magnitude that easily is quite astonishing.

    The truth of the matter is that the French and the English could have done the same.It was just a question of which European power got there first.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it's one hell of an advantage.
    , @Bu'bha al-Teksani
    Indeed, and Hernán Cortés had a pair on him unmatched by anybody around lately. He gets a bad rap because of, you know, but was a master strategist, great tactician, brilliant conniver, and no more cruel that circumstances demanded. The Spaniards of the Conquest were disciplined soldiers, the country just coming off the long campaign to expel the Moors. When soldiers meet warriors like the Aztecs, soldiers win. Pizarro was a nasty piece of work, and the Andean indigenes were greatly reduced by disease when he arrived. Jon Manchip White has a readable and sympathetic short bio of Cortés that's well worth a read.
  115. @Steve Sailer
    Actually, a surprising fraction of the most popular female singers from the late 1980s into the early 2000s were excellent vocal athletes: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera, etc. Women tend to put a higher value on singing skill than men do.

    Some today are too, e.g., Haley Williams from Paramore, Tyler Glenn from Neon Trees.

    In any case, strong singer or not, Rihanna has had a bunch of catchy hits, like We Found Love. Maybe it was written by a bunch of middle aged white guys in a conference room in Culver City or somewhere, but still catchy.

  116. Where is the mention of the previous Sailerian analysis that Rhianna like our president Obama and his chief Caribbean henchman Eric Holder is of mixed racial heritage, but unlike the anointed one his sidekick “Beria”, Rhianna was actually was bullied while going up in Barbados for being…… yes that’s right…. WHITE!!!!????

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/05/rihanna-i-was-bullied-at-school-for.html

    “BBHMM” is in part pure insane rage at those who abused Rhianna as a kid, darker skinned blacks, projected on the only acceptable villains in the Cultural Marxist Media aka “CM2” today, white hetero cisgendered male ( and females).

    Who says smoking lots of weed does not turn your brain into mush???

    But hey what about those who actually took advantage of Rihanna in a fraudulent real estate deal???

    Any bets the previous owners of the home Rhianna may look white but don’t think of themselves as such ????

    http://variety.com/2011/dirt/real-estalker/rihanna-gets-mad-and-sues-a-lot-of-people-1201231967/
    http://www.har.com/blog_22982_singer-rihanna-sues-real-estate-company-over-beverly-hills-mansion
    http://www.law360.com/articles/466182/rihanna-wins-sanction-on-inspector-in-water-damage-suit

    The pervious owners/defendants who Rhianna successfully sued; Heather(formerly Mumma) and Adrian Rudomin (AKA Adrian R Goldberg),
    http://radaris.com/~Adrian-Rudomin/169470952

    Adrian Rudomin Goldberg is a writer/ cinematographer/ director/ producer of “Games of Swords” aka
    Days of Wraith and Land of Darkness
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0749011/

    Of course as long as the villains in BBHMM are portrayed by a hot blond and the Danish superstar actor and former Bond bad guy Mads Mikkelsen http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586568/ everything is O-KAY!!!

    But then ” JBBHMM” would have never been permitted much less praised by the TWMNBN who control the CM2.

    Somebody alert RAMZPAUL, I think I just wrote his next video.

    • Replies: @casey
    "“BBHMM” is in part pure insane rage at those who abused Rhianna as a kid, darker skinned blacks, projected on the only acceptable villains in the Cultural Marxist Media aka “CM2″ today, white hetero cisgendered male ( and females)."

    That's interesting. She could even be unconsciously recreating the trauma but this time she's taking the part of her old aggressors and the white victim could represent the young Rihanna. That could explain why most of the torture is aimed at the woman throughout the video not the man who cheated her.
  117. @Shine a Light
    Blacks are framing things all wrong with this talk of “reparations”. What’s obvious is that after blacks get paid, say a year or two down the road, once all the money is blown, the same discussions will just recommence anew, in a never-ending cycle of bitch-festing.

    On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. For this to happen, the Malcolm X Society’s concept of an independent Republic of New Afrika (RNA) in the south of the US needs to be dusted off. Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.

    A few ground rules though. At least 80% of blacks would have to agree to relocate to the RNA. Once gone, there is no right to return although tourist visas are possible. Using the recent flood of African “refugees” to Europe as a lesson, obviously a real tall and secure border will need to be built. But this can be justified as a way to protect blacks from whites. Yes whites living in what will become the RNA will have to be cleared out although volunteers will be allowed to stay in the new black utopia. Progressives and SJW's from the big cities will also be encouraged to relocate to the RNA; something tells me very few will answer this call. And for the blacks who decide to stay in the US they will have to swear an oath to stop bitching about race on the pain of being deported to the RNA in case they ever do start whining again.

    The RNA would be independent and free from whitey. The RNA can have a central bank, its own currency (on the banknotes they could replace dead Presidents with retired cornerbacks for example). The US could agree to make generous payments for say 20 years to get the RNA up and running. After that though the RNA is on its own.

    Surely once free from the oppressive jackboot of whitey, the RNA will be a prosperous country that in its turn will attract plenty of the world’s refugees.

    “On the other hand what many whites could buy into is the concept of alimony and divorce. …”

    Excellent post Mr. Face.

    Folks on the alternative or HBD or traditional or citizenist right need to embrace “separationism”.

    At the very least, it’s the natural rhetorical counter to all the progressive victimization crap. “If we’re really causing your problems, then you should be happy if we just separate.” “We don’t agree on … much of anything. So the simple solution–you have your progressive utopia, free of our oppression. And we have our place free of your nonsense. Since you claim white men are the problem, you should have zero objections.”

    To me in a sane society really requires only five or six key attributes
    a) there are borders
    b) the successful majority race\civilization does not pander to any minority, much less a civilizationally disfunctional and more primitive one
    c) men and women are understood to be different and being wives and mothers is the most important thing women do
    d) having children and passing on our genes and culture is the most important activity society needs to make work; and we want the best, smartest, healthiest men and women to be doing it, and the incompetent not to be doing it
    e) we value and celebrate the productive, righteous and decent, and don’t hold up, rent-seeking, rip-offs nor the disordered and depraved for anything but disapproval
    f) criminals belong in jail or exile, without excuses
    g) gay means light-hearted and carefree and a rainbow–what you get when the sun follows a rain shower–is pretty

  118. @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ

    I’d also point out that someone like Frank Sinatra never really had terribly great pipes either. Instead he knew how to put across a lyric.

    Probably the most ridiculous statement ever posted on ISTEVE.

    Yes this is coming from another Blue Eyed Sicilian, but Sinatra was a great singer who also added great emotional depth to his phrasing of the lyrics, it showed up in Sinatra’s best acting as well. In that department as well Sinatra ranks right along side the best; Ray Charles, Patsy Cline…..

    But just because he perfected the “Sinatra” worldly wise and weary persona and every song became a both a singing and acting performance does not detract from the obvious fact that Sinatra was a knock out singer with a freakish innate sense of pitch.

  119. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    That’s a real lesbo snakefest of a video. I’ll translate it for people: “Boo-hoo, I’m a rich girl who still isn’t rich enough, boo-hoo. Don’t blame me for not checking out my accountant’s bona fides or demanding an audit because it’s always someone else’s fault.”

    It’s not like rich white singers have never had a problem with unethical accountants now and then. What they do is go to court, not make immature tantrum-throwing revenge videos.

  120. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @Ted
    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad

    That pretty much blows up Austrian economic propaganda about gold as a stable store of value across the centuries.

    And notice that this episode of commodity money inflation happened without central banking or fiat money.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Actually, it shows the supply-demand curve applies to any commodity, including the one used as money. I don't think the Austrian school denies that.
  121. The plain truth is that the biggest beneficiaries of African slavery are American blacks. They not only a) physically exist because of it, but b) slavery has allowed them live in a white civilized society with both rule-of-law and material conditions far, far, far above what blacks are able to achieve in in Africa–even with the benefit of western knowledge, science, medicine, technology.

    The whole slave trade was a disaster for whites and especially for indigenous American tribes, while it was an absolute boon for blacks. Blacks had an incredible demographic expansion, that was completely unearned. They expanded demographically without winning wars, without conquest, and without the slightest ability–technological or organizational to do so. But rather simply by being enslaved and sold to white people.

    The Atlantic slave trade was indeed white people’s worse crime. But not for the reasons we hear about all the time–suffering, oppression, etc. etc.–bad stuff for sure, but stuff that’s just routine in human history. Rather the great crime is that whites enabled a huge unearned demographic expansion of an uncivilized backward people. Really a crime against civilizational progress.

    And as Steve has pointed out, the most important issue of the 21st century … what we owe our posterity … is not to do it again!

    • Replies: @Rob McX

    The Atlantic slave trade was indeed white people’s worse crime.

     

    No, here's an even worse crime.

    “If we’re really causing your problems, then you should be happy if we just separate.”

     

    If blacks were being held back in some way by their association with whites, Al and Jesse would be calling for immediate segregation of the races. In reality, blacks' proximity to whites is their only assurance of a First World existence. No matter if whites go and found colonies on Mars, non-whites will follow them there.
  122. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @Ted
    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    Philip II’s career poses a challenge to Neoreactionary theory about the advantages of monarchy over democracy regarding the sovereign power’s time preference and his responsiveness to incentives to run his kingdom economically. Mediocre kings with smallish possessions can’t do much damage, and you have regression to the mean working in your favor. But what do you do when you have a really powerful king, with a lot of resources and cannon fodder at his disposal, who has empire-building ambitions that he lacks the skill to enact effectively? No wonder his kingdom had to declare bankruptcy several times, despite all the gold and silver coming in from Spanish colonies in the New World.

    By contrast, his contemporary and adversary in England, Elizabeth I, inherited a bankrupt kingdom, but she has some good business sense and she left it in much better shape for her first cousin twice-removed, James VI of Scotland, when he inherited her throne and became known as James I.

  123. @Anonymous
    A 'Trap Queen' is a woman you can trust to run your crack house for you (and is, more generally, a trustworthy figure who always behaves appropriate to the situation).

    The artist Fetty Wap recently authored a paean to such a female.

    Okay, thanks. I now know another thing. And Knowledge Is Good.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    Yes: Hugh Thomas’s The Conquest of Mexico is a great read on some of that.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Yes: Hugh Thomas’s The Conquest of Mexico is a great read on some of that.
     
    Prescott's Conquest of Mexico is a magnificent read.
  125. Ted says:
    @Duke of Qin
    His original point still stands. Rule by barbarian scum tends to devastate the socio-economic capital of countries. The most prosperous Spanish provinces are those immediately adjacent to the Pyrenees and were either never or only briefly under Muslim control. The poorest Extremadura, Murcia, Castile-La Mancha, and Andalusia are naturally the southernmost and spent the longest under Muslim occupation. Slavery degrades people like nothing else.

    My own homeland was devastated twice by barbarian savages, the second time much more terminally to the point that per capita incomes in 1850 were less HALF of what they were in 1050. Stagnation would have been an improvement.

    I agree. The general point stands.

    Although, as an interesting aside, regions closest to the Pyrenees in Spain are richer than the northwestern Galicia/Asturias (which mostly avoided occupation) in part because the central government assumed it would be easier to export into the continent if industry was concentrated on the border with France, moving manufacturing from places like Valencia into Catalunya.

  126. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Even though it came much later, I always thought the auto-pitch craze was started by Cher with her 1999 hit "Believe". Long before I knew it was called auto-pitch, I simply referred to it as the Cher Robot Voice.

    Technically that was how the “auto-tune glitch craze” started — like record-scratching, or backwards-masking I guess. The auto-tune software isn’t supposed to produce that sound itself, when used properly. A couple years back Steve Albini wrote a column for AV Club on the ensuing insufferable trend of auto-mistune singing FX

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Yes, but Albini was the idiot that gave us the raspiness of using the record amplifiers of old Ampex tape machines as vocal mic preamps. Which is why his records usually have crappily recorded lead vocals.
  127. @Steve Sailer
    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    Why?

    The Spanish had the germs and immunity, the Aztecs and Incas were vulnerable and suffered and died due to the diseases.

    The Spanish had metal and guns and horses. The Aztecs and Incas had nothing comparable.

    The outcome was more predictable than astonishing.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    This is not true. For example, Cortez had only 300 men at any one time, effectively, and faced at its peak 1 million Aztecs. What he did have was Western military experience, the willingness and ability to fight to total victory, a willingness to face annihilation to achieve it, and the support of rival tribes who hated the Aztecs for eating their children (they themselves were also cannibals) and who preferred Spanish slavery without cannibalism to Aztec slavery with it.
    ------------
    As for Rihanna, Pitbull, Flo Rida, and the rest of the rappers like Jay Z, more and more I am convinced they are mostly (not all) money launderers.

    The singer for Portishead estimated that out of 34 million streams of his songs, he got a total of $3.40 or so; astonishingly little money. Clearly streaming is cannibalizing both CD and per-song-downloads, to the detriment of artists making money. What money there is to be made, outside a few people like Taylor Swift who insist on getting paid and pull their catalog when they don't, is from live performances.

    The Eagles, the Stones, U2, are regularly at the top of earnings lists. Mostly from touring. Live shows where tickets run $200 or so and the artists keep most of it is what makes money. Now, what do the concert goers of those bands have in common?

    They are older, Whiter, and have a lot more money, than fans of Rihanna or Flo Rida. Sure the fans of Rihanna have some money. But to afford a $200 ticket? Yes the fans of the Eagles may be boring old White people in their fifties, but they have money.

    If Rihanna is not making her money from streaming (and she's not), and she's not making it from CD/download sales (and she's not, because no other artist is) then where is her money coming from? Live performances? Really? I don't see it -- either she tours three/four times as much as the Stones or Eagles or U2, which doesn't seem possible, or she does the Elton John thing and stays in Vegas doing two shows a night for a year (and she doesn't) ... or she gets her money some other way.

    Someone tell me, how these rappers make all that money? From a fanbase which has very little money to spare and is in the habit of not paying for music?
  128. @Steve Sailer
    Actually, a surprising fraction of the most popular female singers from the late 1980s into the early 2000s were excellent vocal athletes: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera, etc. Women tend to put a higher value on singing skill than men do.

    “Vocal athletes” is a great phrase. Singing is, after all, a very *physical* art: it begins with sheer athleticism – but that’s *only* the beginning. Next, one needs a bit of intelligence, a bit of taste – and possibly a touch of genius. That’s what separated Maria Callas from…

    …oops, sorry – I guess we’re talking about Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera & other such electronically assisted warblers, here.

    My mistake.

    But, seriously, people, there’s another, higher, world of musical & vocal achievement, just waiting for you to discover it.

  129. @advancedatheist
    The Atlantic's website has apparently blocked the ability to post responses to Coates's whining about how bad blacks in the U.S. have it:


    Letter to My Son

    “Here is what I would like for you to know: In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body—it is heritage.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/tanehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me/397619/

    When he writes about doing stuff to “the” black body it just sounds a bit tinny to me, like some comic-book supervillain roaring, “Enough pleasantries, constable– you weell tell me, where is the Bat-man hiding? Vengeance weeell be mine”

  130. @james wilson
    As a kid I witnessed Jim Crow, of which I disapproved, but dignity was common and obvious among blacks, obvious even to a kid. Under equality that quality has disappeared. Hard lesson.

    If I hated blacks I would support reparations. Imagine the trillion or two flushed in "stimulus" spending instead having gone to reparations, like shit through a goose.

    American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren’t a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won’t. It’s not just PC. It’s also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren’t a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won’t. It’s not just PC. It’s also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad."

    Whites love seeing Blacks acting violently in sports and music? So SWPL social justice warriors love NWA more than they love Morgan Freeman?
  131. If you read the comments on the youtube videos they know what it’s about. It’s only white people who are too blind to see.

  132. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Frank Zappa penned his 'Joe's Garage' album* after he learned The Ayatollah had banned music in Iran on the grounds that it was decadent and such. Apparently he thought Ray Gun and Falwell and those Moral Majority cats would try a similar thing in the US. Oh noes! Muh musics!

    Now, of course, seeing (and, unfortunately from time to time, hearing) the state of popular music in The Land of Caitlyn, I don't think a total ban on music would be such a bad thing. No new music would get made, and the old stuff would go underground again. I could dig it.


    *P.S. - How long until that album's cover is censored? I mean, Good God ... blackface!! GASP!!!

    I watched footloose not long ago and sided with Lithgow.

    • Replies: @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    You think that's bad? I watched 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' recently and found myself was siding with Nurse Ratchid!
  133. @Rifleman

    A fun book to read is called the Wrecking Crew. It covers the great studio men responsible for creating pop music in California from the 50′s through the 70′s.
     
    ......and Carol Kaye.

    Oral History with Carol Kaye of the Wrecking Crew (May 2005) - Being a Woman Session Player

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WQTrr3GZ4&hd=1

    Carol Kaye - Better Days

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkqyM8XgAAs&hd=1

    That’s right. IIRC, she was the only woman in the Wrecking Crew. I think they just did another documentary on them. There was one in the last decade. I’ve not seen either of them, but now that it is in my mind I think I’ll add them to my Amazon list.

    The thing I liked about the book it covered more than just the Wrecking Crew. It was a good popular history of the West Coast recording industry in the early year.

    I always thought Ahmet Ertegün would be a great biography. That’s a man who lived an interesting life.

  134. @JohnnyWalker123
    American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren't a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won't. It's not just PC. It's also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad.

    “American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren’t a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won’t. It’s not just PC. It’s also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad.”

    Whites love seeing Blacks acting violently in sports and music? So SWPL social justice warriors love NWA more than they love Morgan Freeman?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    SWPLs love rap videos and football.

    One black who's very popular among SWPLs is Kanye West.

    Here's a rap video made by Mr. West.

    In the video, a black woman beats a black man to death and locks him in her trunk.

    SWPLs consume this garbage just like anyone else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ila-hAUXR5U
  135. White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They’re okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it’s fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    The Romans used to cheer on gladiators slaughtering other gladiators, while ignoring the various problems (corruption, Germanic tribes, profligate spending, trade deficits) plaguing their empire.

    Americans cheer on rappers and thuggish athletes, while paying little attention to the problems plaguing our nation. Soon the results will come.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that’s why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren’t public spirited and high minded, they’re vulgar consumers of low class entertainment.

    In my office, there are lots of 40 something men who spend hours a day surfing sites with “inside information” on high school athletic prospects. There are women who keep up the celebrity gossip involving Rihanna, Kardashian, Britney Spears, Madonna, etc. Americans of all races (including most whites) are gluttons who spend their day shoving unhealthy food into their mouth and unhealthy entertainment into their head. Anything that interrupts that gluttony doesn’t sell.

    • Replies: @Truth
    "White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They’re okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it’s fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that’s why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren’t public spirited and high minded, they’re vulgar consumers of low class entertainment. "

    My Lord, Jonathan, where did that bit of sheer brilliance come from. I may have to read more of your posts.
    , @anon
    You're missing the media two-step.

    The media presents White people with certain aspects of Black culture like Rap and at the same time constantly attacks White people over racism.

    Part of White people raving about Rap or Oprah or Black sports stars is them trying to prove they're not racist in ant way they can that stops short of letting their kids get beat up at school every day.

    It's like the media's version of good cop, bad cop.
  136. @advancedatheist
    Portugal seems to have had its act together at one time. You need quite a few high-IQ men who can handle the mathematics and abstract thinking required for astronomy, navigation, cartography, ship engineering, logistics, provisioning, finance and insurance to have done all those long-distance sea voyages the Portuguese made in the 15th and 16th Centuries.

    Portugal seems to have had its act together at one time. You need quite a few high-IQ men who can handle the mathematics and abstract thinking required for astronomy, navigation, cartography, ship engineering, logistics, provisioning, finance and insurance to have done all those long-distance sea voyages the Portuguese made in the 15th and 16th Centuries.

    On the other hand, Portugal has not given us a Newton, an Euler, a Gauss, a Leibniz, a Descartes, a Hilbert, a Riemann, an Archimedes, a Diophantus, etc, etc, etc,

    Iberian mediocrity.

  137. @Jefferson
    "American culture used to emphasize to blacks that they should act deferential, which was humiliating because blacks aren’t a naturally deferential race like Mexicans, Asians, Filipinos, or Indians/Paks. Now American culture (primarily rap and hip hop) teaches blacks that they should act angry and savage. When blacks adapt to that type of behavior, they get a lot of respect, applause (Americans love 50 Cent rapping about getting shot), and even women. Unfortunately, they also end up killing each other a lot and terrorizing each other frequently.

    America could start emphasizing proper behavior to blacks again, but won’t. It’s not just PC. It’s also because whites (and all the other races) love seeing blacks acting bad. It thrills them to see blacks acting violently in sports, music, and celebrity feuds. If blacks started acting like Chinese tomorrow, life would be so much more boring. In modern day America, people crave entertainment, so America is cool with blacks acting bad."

    Whites love seeing Blacks acting violently in sports and music? So SWPL social justice warriors love NWA more than they love Morgan Freeman?

    SWPLs love rap videos and football.

    One black who’s very popular among SWPLs is Kanye West.

    Here’s a rap video made by Mr. West.

    In the video, a black woman beats a black man to death and locks him in her trunk.

    SWPLs consume this garbage just like anyone else.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    The Whites I have met who love Black gangsta culture are all either Wiggers or White trash. The hipster social justice warrior SWPL types who consume a Vegan diet and go to Burning Man almost every year, seem to prefer Magical Negroes like Morgan Freeman and Neil deGrasse Tyson who use big words that nobody in the Black ghetto underclass can pronounce, let alone spell.
  138. @Steve Sailer
    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    Astonishing? Sure.Capturing prizes of such magnitude that easily is quite astonishing.

    The truth of the matter is that the French and the English could have done the same.It was just a question of which European power got there first.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn't know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were, yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them. That anyone can regard Spain's victory as "predictable" is ridiculous.
    , @Whiskey
    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then -- it was thought to come from humours and bad air.
    , @slumber_j
    It's not my sense that pathogens played a significant role in the Spanish conquest of Mexico. They did bring a ton of notaries though, so maybe it's the first instance of a civilization's having been lawyered to death.
  139. @shrinker
    Technically that was how the "auto-tune glitch craze" started -- like record-scratching, or backwards-masking I guess. The auto-tune software isn't supposed to produce that sound itself, when used properly. A couple years back Steve Albini wrote a column for AV Club on the ensuing insufferable trend of auto-mistune singing FX

    Yes, but Albini was the idiot that gave us the raspiness of using the record amplifiers of old Ampex tape machines as vocal mic preamps. Which is why his records usually have crappily recorded lead vocals.

  140. Thought experiment: imagine the series of events that would have to happen for this artist to cover the Rihanna song and video:

    http://peekURL.com/vDvBS2P

    • Replies: @Curle
    I haven't thought of Natalie Merchant in years and looking at her wiki page I'm trying to recall why I put her in the 80s version of the SJW camp given that her activism is so tame by comparison to today's weirdos; she was into vegetarianism (yawn), environmentalism (another yawn) and violence against women (yawn again). I wonder if her activism regarding violence against women included woman on woman violence? BTW - can we now expect every female musician assaulted by Chris Brown to make a video taking her anger out on white people?
    , @Clyde
    I used to really like Natalie Merchant. She was an earnest, honest, counter culture lefty with some great music. He 1997 album was the best. Jealousy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtOkISbikQU
  141. @Ted
    That this may be fruitful rather than polemical, I would suggest you consider the possibility of your historiography of Spain’s Golden Age being deficient (I will likewise remain open). Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck. More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”, as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion), constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck.

    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

    More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.

    Got there first.Big advantage.And ruling over Mestizos and Amerinds seems fairly easy.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”,

    Well, its culture certainly wasn’t, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).

    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion),

    A cliche, but a true one.Spain’s conquests were her downfall.She was like a spendthrift heir burning through her inheritance.

    constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.

    Spanish torpor was proverbial long before the 19th century.

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.

    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don’t really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.

    • Replies: @Ted

    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

     

    Careful with thought experiments of this sort, they gloss over much. Spain’s interest in Africa was never on a par with its offensives in America. It wasn’t trying for continental control, but for North Africa, which it somewhat held onto even into the 20th century.

    I'm confident wider reading will lead you to reasses the conquest-cum-contagion thesis, which you're applying too broadly.

    Well, its culture certainly wasn’t, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc
     
    A sweeping and immoderate statement. Masters from Tiziano to el Greco chose to live and work in Spain. It was Spanish monarchs who founded (with Spaniards partially helping found and participating in) prominent Italian universities (from the first faculty of Economics and Astronomy in the world and the Academy of Fine Arts and Sciences in Naples, to this city and Palermo’s observatories, etc.) Neither can one ignore centers such as the School of Salamanca’s role in shaping international jurisprudence and economic theory (whose central figures, such as Vitoria, go unmentioned by Murray).

    If you deny Spain both military and cultural merit, you can account for the above neither in terms of political prevalence nor of cultural offerings, limiting your position’s explicatory value.

    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

     

    More favorable than its British adversary, then. Relative advantage being in large part the point. True, Britain did not become Catholic, and neither did Spain become Protestant.

    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don’t really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.

     

    I wouldn’t know what is on offer in the curricula of Spanish-speaking countries, but the figures I referenced, and more, are certainly studied outside of such. A comparative survey that excludes them is deficient.

    In any case, relative passed neglect may stem from that root described in the 1625 English play, Dick of Devonshire:

    “I nere could tell from what roote this huge Large spreading Tree of hate from Spayne to us, From us agayne to Spayne, took the first growth…”

     

    In closing, my defense of those aspects of Spanish history I find admirable are in no wise a polemic against other Europeans, nor a denial of the genius of, say, Italy (a term used anachronistically above, along with Spain). I wonder whether you’ve fallen into the inverse trap.
    , @Ted
    I’m reposting this, as it hasn’t yet shown up. My apologies to the moderator if the original post is just cued:

    Thought experiments of the sort you propose in comparing the invasions of America and Africa gloss over much. Spain’s interest in Africa was never on a par with its offensives in America. It was interested in N.Africa, pieces of which it held onto into the 20thC. The conquest-as-contagion thesis, despite its value, remains thinly stretched when broadly appealed to as explaining the conquest of a continent and a half.


    Well, its culture certainly wasn’t, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc
     
    An immoderate statement. Consider that masters from Tiziano to el Greco chose to live and work in Spain; Spanish monarchs (and attendant Spanish subjects) founded prominent Italian universities (the first faculty of Economics and Astronomy in the world, the Academy of Fine arts and Sciences in Naples, etc.); centers of learning like the School of Salamanca shaped international jurisprudence and economic theory (their central figures, such as Vitoria, go unmentioned by Murray).

    If you deny Spain both military and cultural merit, you can account for the above neither in terms of political prevalence nor of cultural offerings, limiting your position’s explicatory value.

    Anyway, my defense of aspects of Spanish and Portuguese history I find admirable is in no wise a polemic against other European peoples (the genius of Italian painters and British seamen, say).


    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant

     

    More favorable than its British adversary. Relative advantage being largely the point. Neither did Spain become Protestant.

    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don’t really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.

     

    I’m unaware of the curricula in Spanish-speaking countries, but the figures I mentioned are studied outside of such. A comparative survey that excludes them is deficient.

    In any case, relative passed neglect may stem from that root described in the 1625 English play, Dick of Devonshire:


    “I nere could tell from what roote this huge Large spreading Tree of hate from Spayne to us, From us agayne to Spayne, took the first growth…”
     
  142. @Curle

    Many, many whites would pay dearly to help blacks “move out” of the US and start their own country.
     
    It has always been thus, both North and South, at least since before the Civil War and among the common white population of both regions. One reason to be skeptical of the victor's telling of that war is that such an enterprise, sought diligently for decades before the war by the American Colonization Society, foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo). In other words, the problem of slavery (which was a multi-part problem, part ethical consideration for Christians, part safety consideration for southern states with no good mechanism to control a free black population and part demographic migratory consideration for white northern workers concerned about cheap labor from free blacks) could have been solved for a price almost certainly cheaper than war had ending slavery been the primary goal. Ending slavery wasn't the primary goal; consolidating the union and reducing the power of the states was the main goal which is why war was necessary.

    foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo).

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…

    • Replies: @Curle

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…
     
    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war, establishing Hamilton's unified national state by eliminating the old constitutional order. Better for operating a continent wide railroad and other similar commercial ventures.
  143. @slumber_j
    Yes: Hugh Thomas's The Conquest of Mexico is a great read on some of that.

    Yes: Hugh Thomas’s The Conquest of Mexico is a great read on some of that.

    Prescott’s Conquest of Mexico is a magnificent read.

  144. @syonredux

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Astonishing? Sure.Capturing prizes of such magnitude that easily is quite astonishing.

    The truth of the matter is that the French and the English could have done the same.It was just a question of which European power got there first.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it's one hell of an advantage.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn’t know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were, yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them. That anyone can regard Spain’s victory as “predictable” is ridiculous.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn’t know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were,
     
    Doesn't matter if they understood what was happening or not.Pathogens (small-pox, etc) still worked to their advantage.

    yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them.
     
    Not that tremendous, not after diseases did their work.Plus, the Aztecs had lots of enemies/resentful subjects who were quite eager to help the invaders.

    That anyone can regard Spain’s victory as “predictable” is ridiculous.
     
    From our vantage point, it was quite predictable.Any significant European power (Spain, France, England) could have done it.
  145. @Rifleman

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Why?

    The Spanish had the germs and immunity, the Aztecs and Incas were vulnerable and suffered and died due to the diseases.

    The Spanish had metal and guns and horses. The Aztecs and Incas had nothing comparable.

    The outcome was more predictable than astonishing.

    This is not true. For example, Cortez had only 300 men at any one time, effectively, and faced at its peak 1 million Aztecs. What he did have was Western military experience, the willingness and ability to fight to total victory, a willingness to face annihilation to achieve it, and the support of rival tribes who hated the Aztecs for eating their children (they themselves were also cannibals) and who preferred Spanish slavery without cannibalism to Aztec slavery with it.
    ————
    As for Rihanna, Pitbull, Flo Rida, and the rest of the rappers like Jay Z, more and more I am convinced they are mostly (not all) money launderers.

    The singer for Portishead estimated that out of 34 million streams of his songs, he got a total of $3.40 or so; astonishingly little money. Clearly streaming is cannibalizing both CD and per-song-downloads, to the detriment of artists making money. What money there is to be made, outside a few people like Taylor Swift who insist on getting paid and pull their catalog when they don’t, is from live performances.

    The Eagles, the Stones, U2, are regularly at the top of earnings lists. Mostly from touring. Live shows where tickets run $200 or so and the artists keep most of it is what makes money. Now, what do the concert goers of those bands have in common?

    They are older, Whiter, and have a lot more money, than fans of Rihanna or Flo Rida. Sure the fans of Rihanna have some money. But to afford a $200 ticket? Yes the fans of the Eagles may be boring old White people in their fifties, but they have money.

    If Rihanna is not making her money from streaming (and she’s not), and she’s not making it from CD/download sales (and she’s not, because no other artist is) then where is her money coming from? Live performances? Really? I don’t see it — either she tours three/four times as much as the Stones or Eagles or U2, which doesn’t seem possible, or she does the Elton John thing and stays in Vegas doing two shows a night for a year (and she doesn’t) … or she gets her money some other way.

    Someone tell me, how these rappers make all that money? From a fanbase which has very little money to spare and is in the habit of not paying for music?

  146. @The Anti-Gnostic

    which is presumably inspired by the tinny-voiced singer’s lawsuit against her accountant for telling her in 2009 that buying a house in the Hollywood Hills ought to be a good investment and other complaints.
     
    That was how the video came across to me. I doubt many vocal artists are really smart with their money, particularly if you're from a culture where you've got to spread the green around a whole entourage of family and friends.

    I keep thinking we ought to see a lot more bankrupt celebrities. But apparently when your cash flow is down, you just belt out some lyrics, get the engineers to work on it, shoot a video, and enough dolts provide ad revenue or pay for downloads to get you flush again.

    In a serious culture, most women in pop music would be strippers in the red light district or, one hopes, married to successful men.

    Speaking of sex, I'm not telling anybody here anything they don't already know, but this feminist trope of unbridled, pregnancy-free sex as 'empowering' is more designed to benefit amoral men who want to screw lots of women but don't want to be fathers or husbands. And as I type this, I remember Mad Magazine writing this very joke way back when, in a satire that pitted then-hunky Burt Reynolds with the then still-nubile crop of feminists. We never learn.

    Ad revenues even from very widely viewed videos are minuscule. If Rihanna is getting money, it certainly is not from ad revenues, nor album sales, nor download, nor streaming. Nor is it likely from concert tickets. Compare/contrast the revenues available from fans of the Eagles in concert tickets to say, Rihanna.

    Katy Perry tours constantly, but her divorce financials were instructive. Her ex husband Russel Brand had nearly as much money. It seems music just doesn’t make that much save a few superstars whose fans can pay a lot of money for tickets: the Stones, Elton John, etc.

  147. @syonredux

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Astonishing? Sure.Capturing prizes of such magnitude that easily is quite astonishing.

    The truth of the matter is that the French and the English could have done the same.It was just a question of which European power got there first.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it's one hell of an advantage.

    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then — it was thought to come from humours and bad air.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then — it was thought to come from humours and bad air.
     
    No, they weren't. Amerind losses were far more debastating
    , @syonredux

    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then — it was thought to come from humours and bad air.
     
    No, they weren’t. Amerind losses were far more devastating*

    Corrected a typo
  148. @syonredux

    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.
     
    Astonishing? Sure.Capturing prizes of such magnitude that easily is quite astonishing.

    The truth of the matter is that the French and the English could have done the same.It was just a question of which European power got there first.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it's one hell of an advantage.

    It’s not my sense that pathogens played a significant role in the Spanish conquest of Mexico. They did bring a ton of notaries though, so maybe it’s the first instance of a civilization’s having been lawyered to death.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    It’s not my sense that pathogens played a significant role in the Spanish conquest of Mexico.
     
    You are quite incorrect:

    While Cortés was rebuilding his alliances and garnering more supplies, a smallpox epidemic struck the natives of the Valley of Mexico, including Tenochtitlan. The disease was probably carried by a Spanish slave from Narvaez’s forces, who had been abandoned in the capital during the Spanish flight.[1] Smallpox played a crucial role in the Spanish success during the Siege of Tenochtitlan from 1519-1521, a fact not mentioned in some historical accounts. The disease broke out in Tenochtitlan in late October, 1520; the epidemic lasted sixty days, ending by early December. It was at this event where firsthand accounts were recorded in the Florentine Codex concerning the adverse effects of the smallpox epidemic of the Aztecs, which stated, “many died from this plague, and many others died of hunger. They could not get up and search for food, and everyone else was too sick to care for them, so they starved to death in their beds. By the time the danger was recognized, the plague was well established that nothing could halt it”.[21] The smallpox epidemic caused not only infection to the Mexica peoples, but it weakened able bodied people who could no longer grow and harvest their crops, which in turn led to mass famine and death from malnutrition.[21] While the population of Tenochtitlan was recovering, the disease continued to Chalco, a city on the southeast corner of Lake Texcoco that was formerly controlled by the Aztecs but now occupied by the Spanish.[6] Reproduction and population growth declined since people of child bearing age either had to fight off the Spanish invasion or died due to famine, malnutrition or other diseases.[22] Diseases like smallpox could travel great distances and spread throughout large populations, which was the case with the Aztecs having lost approximately 50% of its population from smallpox and other diseases.[23] The disease killed an estimated forty percent of the native population in the area within a year. The Aztecs codices give ample depictions of the disease's progression. It was known to them as the huey ahuizotl (great rash).
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tenochtitlan#Smallpox_reduces_the_local_population

    December 1520
    Siege, Starvation & Smallpox
    At Tlaxcala Cortés pacified his wavering Indian allies and rebuilt his military force. The key to victory, he believed, was the lake and he set out to build a fleet of prefabricated boats. It was at this time that Cortés wrote his long second letter to the King of Spain, outlining his actions since his arrival in Mexico-Tenochtitlán. Meanwhile, the Aztecs thought the Spaniards were gone for good. They elected a new king, Cuautemoc, "The Fallen Eagle." He was in his mid-20s, the son of Montezuma's uncle, Ahuitzotl and was an experienced leader.

    The Aztecs cleaned the temple courtyards and again celebrated their fiestas in the traditional way. But by the end of September, people started to die of a mysterious and alien illness that had horrifying symptoms of "racking coughs and painful burning sores." The pestilence, smallpox, spread soon crossed the causeways into Tenochtitlán. It lasted 70 days, until late November, and killed a vast number of people.

    At the end of December 1520, Cortés' army moved toward Tenochtitlán; the boats followed later, transported in pieces overland by 8,000 native carriers. The early stage of the siege saw the surrender of towns all around the lake. It must have been plain that Tenochtitlán was doomed. The Aztec leadership was divided, and the annals of Tlatelolco note that the Mexicans were already fighting among themselves. Soon Still the Aztecs would not surrender, even when only the city on the island was left.
     
    http://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_h00.html
  149. Steve hit the nail on the head. Rihanna has a nasally voice that needs EQ to fix in the studio. Live, she can’t hide it.

    The website Divadevotee.com confirms.

  150. @syonredux

    foundered in part on northern refusal to provide sufficient financial support (though financing a bloody multi-year war was no problemo).
     
    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project...

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…

    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war, establishing Hamilton’s unified national state by eliminating the old constitutional order. Better for operating a continent wide railroad and other similar commercial ventures.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…

    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war,
     
    Before the war dear, fellow.In the Antebellum period, say from 1830 to 1859.Why didn't the South, using all that "Cotton Boom" money, establish a an emancipation time-table (cf what was done in states like Pennsylvania) combined with a well-funded colonization plan for the freed slaves?

    The answer is all too simple.They didn't want to.
  151. @JohnnyWalker123
    White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They're okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it's fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    The Romans used to cheer on gladiators slaughtering other gladiators, while ignoring the various problems (corruption, Germanic tribes, profligate spending, trade deficits) plaguing their empire.

    Americans cheer on rappers and thuggish athletes, while paying little attention to the problems plaguing our nation. Soon the results will come.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that's why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren't public spirited and high minded, they're vulgar consumers of low class entertainment.

    In my office, there are lots of 40 something men who spend hours a day surfing sites with "inside information" on high school athletic prospects. There are women who keep up the celebrity gossip involving Rihanna, Kardashian, Britney Spears, Madonna, etc. Americans of all races (including most whites) are gluttons who spend their day shoving unhealthy food into their mouth and unhealthy entertainment into their head. Anything that interrupts that gluttony doesn't sell.

    “White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They’re okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it’s fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that’s why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren’t public spirited and high minded, they’re vulgar consumers of low class entertainment. ”

    My Lord, Jonathan, where did that bit of sheer brilliance come from. I may have to read more of your posts.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I will say this.

    Rap videos and hip hop culture are basically a minstrel show. It's a minstrel show that allows people of all races (not just blacks) to have fun. Watching blacks act bad on tv is the equivalent of Romans cheering on gladiatorial barbarism. It's immature and vulgar, but it's what the people want.

    Many whites tolerate the bad behavior on tv not out of a sense of guilt, but because a lot of them love it. That's not to say that PC doesn't matter at all, but it's an oversold factor.

    There's a difference between entertainment and real life. In the entertainment industry, bad behavior is funny. In real life, most people won't tolerate bad behavior because it's not very entertaining to be victimized. Which is why whites will tolerate hip hop savagery on tv, but want strict policing in real life.

    The typical white wants entertaining blacks on tv, but wants tough police to keep his suburban/rural/gentrified neighborhood safe. Our present day system (blacks get to act bad on tv, get police in their face in real life) is a reflection of what the average American wants (and what businessmen can make money off).

    The downside to the system is that a lot of blacks take the hip hop stuff too seriously and embrace the thug life, which has serious consequences for them and their communities. Of course, it'd be unfair to say that whites are forcing blacks to act this way. Given how many blacks embrace hip hop and how muted criticism is among black leaders, it'd seem that they're not particularly uncomfortable with the affect of hip hop on black communities.
  152. @24AheadDotCom
    Thought experiment: imagine the series of events that would have to happen for this artist to cover the Rihanna song and video:

    http://peekURL.com/vDvBS2P

    I haven’t thought of Natalie Merchant in years and looking at her wiki page I’m trying to recall why I put her in the 80s version of the SJW camp given that her activism is so tame by comparison to today’s weirdos; she was into vegetarianism (yawn), environmentalism (another yawn) and violence against women (yawn again). I wonder if her activism regarding violence against women included woman on woman violence? BTW – can we now expect every female musician assaulted by Chris Brown to make a video taking her anger out on white people?

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    10K Maniacs and Merchant were more painfully earnest than activist.

    Later in her career she tried a few tunes as something of a torch singer, which didn't work at all. Her cover of "Because the Night" is oddly antiseptic, though the band sells the underlying Springsteen-penned bombast. But within their range of folkie/alternachick/coffee house background music, they were quite good, but, of course, earnest.

  153. @Truth
    "White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They’re okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it’s fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that’s why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren’t public spirited and high minded, they’re vulgar consumers of low class entertainment. "

    My Lord, Jonathan, where did that bit of sheer brilliance come from. I may have to read more of your posts.

    I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I will say this.

    Rap videos and hip hop culture are basically a minstrel show. It’s a minstrel show that allows people of all races (not just blacks) to have fun. Watching blacks act bad on tv is the equivalent of Romans cheering on gladiatorial barbarism. It’s immature and vulgar, but it’s what the people want.

    Many whites tolerate the bad behavior on tv not out of a sense of guilt, but because a lot of them love it. That’s not to say that PC doesn’t matter at all, but it’s an oversold factor.

    There’s a difference between entertainment and real life. In the entertainment industry, bad behavior is funny. In real life, most people won’t tolerate bad behavior because it’s not very entertaining to be victimized. Which is why whites will tolerate hip hop savagery on tv, but want strict policing in real life.

    The typical white wants entertaining blacks on tv, but wants tough police to keep his suburban/rural/gentrified neighborhood safe. Our present day system (blacks get to act bad on tv, get police in their face in real life) is a reflection of what the average American wants (and what businessmen can make money off).

    The downside to the system is that a lot of blacks take the hip hop stuff too seriously and embrace the thug life, which has serious consequences for them and their communities. Of course, it’d be unfair to say that whites are forcing blacks to act this way. Given how many blacks embrace hip hop and how muted criticism is among black leaders, it’d seem that they’re not particularly uncomfortable with the affect of hip hop on black communities.

    • Replies: @Truth
    I meant no sarcasm at all. You make excellent points.
  154. @Curle
    I haven't thought of Natalie Merchant in years and looking at her wiki page I'm trying to recall why I put her in the 80s version of the SJW camp given that her activism is so tame by comparison to today's weirdos; she was into vegetarianism (yawn), environmentalism (another yawn) and violence against women (yawn again). I wonder if her activism regarding violence against women included woman on woman violence? BTW - can we now expect every female musician assaulted by Chris Brown to make a video taking her anger out on white people?

    10K Maniacs and Merchant were more painfully earnest than activist.

    Later in her career she tried a few tunes as something of a torch singer, which didn’t work at all. Her cover of “Because the Night” is oddly antiseptic, though the band sells the underlying Springsteen-penned bombast. But within their range of folkie/alternachick/coffee house background music, they were quite good, but, of course, earnest.

  155. @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ

    Early Frank was a pretty decent belter in his younger years. He was still incredibly smooth and articulate at mid-volume through the Capital years, but IMO by then he sounds a bit strained whenever he (sort of) lets rip. Still, I’ve never understood the appeal of Sinatra’s voice in itself.

    Keep in mind that there are many, many great pop singers with quite limited voices. These come to mind:
    Ray Charles
    Mick Jagger
    Neil Young
    Lou Reed
    David Bowie
    Joe Strummer
    Anthony Kiedis

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Guys are okay with cool singers who can't really sing like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Joe Strummer. And those are just the most obvious. There are plenty of okay singers like Tom Petty who slid by without comment because they weren't as bad as Neil Young and the really obvious ones.

    But American women singers are often objectively high performing singers. That was Simon Cowell's big discovery on the first season of American Idol. He came from Britain intending to concoct cruddy Spice Girls-type acts, but found that American audiences preferred singers like Kelly Clarkson who could really belt it out.

    Here's a non-rock example: My Fair Lady. Guys were fine with Rex Harrison talking his way through the songs, but Audrey Hepburn, who could sing better than Rex could, got dubbed over by classical singer Marni Nixon.
  156. @JohnnyWalker123
    SWPLs love rap videos and football.

    One black who's very popular among SWPLs is Kanye West.

    Here's a rap video made by Mr. West.

    In the video, a black woman beats a black man to death and locks him in her trunk.

    SWPLs consume this garbage just like anyone else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ila-hAUXR5U

    The Whites I have met who love Black gangsta culture are all either Wiggers or White trash. The hipster social justice warrior SWPL types who consume a Vegan diet and go to Burning Man almost every year, seem to prefer Magical Negroes like Morgan Freeman and Neil deGrasse Tyson who use big words that nobody in the Black ghetto underclass can pronounce, let alone spell.

  157. @josh
    I watched footloose not long ago and sided with Lithgow.

    You think that’s bad? I watched ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest’ recently and found myself was siding with Nurse Ratchid!

  158. @AnotherDad
    The plain truth is that the biggest beneficiaries of African slavery are American blacks. They not only a) physically exist because of it, but b) slavery has allowed them live in a white civilized society with both rule-of-law and material conditions far, far, far above what blacks are able to achieve in in Africa--even with the benefit of western knowledge, science, medicine, technology.

    The whole slave trade was a disaster for whites and especially for indigenous American tribes, while it was an absolute boon for blacks. Blacks had an incredible demographic expansion, that was completely unearned. They expanded demographically without winning wars, without conquest, and without the slightest ability--technological or organizational to do so. But rather simply by being enslaved and sold to white people.

    The Atlantic slave trade was indeed white people's worse crime. But not for the reasons we hear about all the time--suffering, oppression, etc. etc.--bad stuff for sure, but stuff that's just routine in human history. Rather the great crime is that whites enabled a huge unearned demographic expansion of an uncivilized backward people. Really a crime against civilizational progress.

    And as Steve has pointed out, the most important issue of the 21st century ... what we owe our posterity ... is not to do it again!

    The Atlantic slave trade was indeed white people’s worse crime.

    No, here’s an even worse crime.

    “If we’re really causing your problems, then you should be happy if we just separate.”

    If blacks were being held back in some way by their association with whites, Al and Jesse would be calling for immediate segregation of the races. In reality, blacks’ proximity to whites is their only assurance of a First World existence. No matter if whites go and found colonies on Mars, non-whites will follow them there.

  159. @Thursday
    Early Frank was a pretty decent belter in his younger years. He was still incredibly smooth and articulate at mid-volume through the Capital years, but IMO by then he sounds a bit strained whenever he (sort of) lets rip. Still, I've never understood the appeal of Sinatra's voice in itself.

    Keep in mind that there are many, many great pop singers with quite limited voices. These come to mind:
    Ray Charles
    Mick Jagger
    Neil Young
    Lou Reed
    David Bowie
    Joe Strummer
    Anthony Kiedis

    Guys are okay with cool singers who can’t really sing like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Joe Strummer. And those are just the most obvious. There are plenty of okay singers like Tom Petty who slid by without comment because they weren’t as bad as Neil Young and the really obvious ones.

    But American women singers are often objectively high performing singers. That was Simon Cowell’s big discovery on the first season of American Idol. He came from Britain intending to concoct cruddy Spice Girls-type acts, but found that American audiences preferred singers like Kelly Clarkson who could really belt it out.

    Here’s a non-rock example: My Fair Lady. Guys were fine with Rex Harrison talking his way through the songs, but Audrey Hepburn, who could sing better than Rex could, got dubbed over by classical singer Marni Nixon.

    • Replies: @Thursday
    There are quite a few female pop stars with genuinely poor voices:

    Jennifer Lopez
    Britney Spears
    Janet Jackson
    Paula Abdul
    Jessica Simpson
    Kesha
    Nicki Minaj
    Hilary Duff

    Rihanna seems to occupy the mediocre middle along with the likes of:

    Madonna
    Katy Perry
    Lady Gaga
    Taylor Swift
    Lana Del Rey
    Gwen Stefani

    Then, of course, you have the Aguileras, Dions, Careys etc.

  160. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Where is the mention of the previous Sailerian analysis that Rhianna like our president Obama and his chief Caribbean henchman Eric Holder is of mixed racial heritage, but unlike the anointed one his sidekick "Beria", Rhianna was actually was bullied while going up in Barbados for being...... yes that's right.... WHITE!!!!????

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/05/rihanna-i-was-bullied-at-school-for.html

    "BBHMM" is in part pure insane rage at those who abused Rhianna as a kid, darker skinned blacks, projected on the only acceptable villains in the Cultural Marxist Media aka "CM2" today, white hetero cisgendered male ( and females).

    Who says smoking lots of weed does not turn your brain into mush???

    But hey what about those who actually took advantage of Rihanna in a fraudulent real estate deal???

    Any bets the previous owners of the home Rhianna may look white but don't think of themselves as such ????

    http://variety.com/2011/dirt/real-estalker/rihanna-gets-mad-and-sues-a-lot-of-people-1201231967/
    http://www.har.com/blog_22982_singer-rihanna-sues-real-estate-company-over-beverly-hills-mansion
    http://www.law360.com/articles/466182/rihanna-wins-sanction-on-inspector-in-water-damage-suit

    The pervious owners/defendants who Rhianna successfully sued; Heather(formerly Mumma) and Adrian Rudomin (AKA Adrian R Goldberg),
    http://radaris.com/~Adrian-Rudomin/169470952


    Adrian Rudomin Goldberg is a writer/ cinematographer/ director/ producer of "Games of Swords" aka
    Days of Wraith and Land of Darkness
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0749011/

    Of course as long as the villains in BBHMM are portrayed by a hot blond and the Danish superstar actor and former Bond bad guy Mads Mikkelsen http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586568/ everything is O-KAY!!!

    But then " JBBHMM" would have never been permitted much less praised by the TWMNBN who control the CM2.

    Somebody alert RAMZPAUL, I think I just wrote his next video.

    ““BBHMM” is in part pure insane rage at those who abused Rhianna as a kid, darker skinned blacks, projected on the only acceptable villains in the Cultural Marxist Media aka “CM2″ today, white hetero cisgendered male ( and females).”

    That’s interesting. She could even be unconsciously recreating the trauma but this time she’s taking the part of her old aggressors and the white victim could represent the young Rihanna. That could explain why most of the torture is aimed at the woman throughout the video not the man who cheated her.

  161. @advancedatheist

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad
     
    That pretty much blows up Austrian economic propaganda about gold as a stable store of value across the centuries.

    And notice that this episode of commodity money inflation happened without central banking or fiat money.

    Actually, it shows the supply-demand curve applies to any commodity, including the one used as money. I don’t think the Austrian school denies that.

  162. Ted says:
    @syonredux

    Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck.
     
    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

    More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.
     
    Got there first.Big advantage.And ruling over Mestizos and Amerinds seems fairly easy.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”,
     
    Well, its culture certainly wasn't, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).
     
    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion),
     
    A cliche, but a true one.Spain's conquests were her downfall.She was like a spendthrift heir burning through her inheritance.

    constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.
     
    Spanish torpor was proverbial long before the 19th century.

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.
     
    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don't really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.

    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

    Careful with thought experiments of this sort, they gloss over much. Spain’s interest in Africa was never on a par with its offensives in America. It wasn’t trying for continental control, but for North Africa, which it somewhat held onto even into the 20th century.

    I’m confident wider reading will lead you to reasses the conquest-cum-contagion thesis, which you’re applying too broadly.

    Well, its culture certainly wasn’t, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    A sweeping and immoderate statement. Masters from Tiziano to el Greco chose to live and work in Spain. It was Spanish monarchs who founded (with Spaniards partially helping found and participating in) prominent Italian universities (from the first faculty of Economics and Astronomy in the world and the Academy of Fine Arts and Sciences in Naples, to this city and Palermo’s observatories, etc.) Neither can one ignore centers such as the School of Salamanca’s role in shaping international jurisprudence and economic theory (whose central figures, such as Vitoria, go unmentioned by Murray).

    If you deny Spain both military and cultural merit, you can account for the above neither in terms of political prevalence nor of cultural offerings, limiting your position’s explicatory value.

    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

    More favorable than its British adversary, then. Relative advantage being in large part the point. True, Britain did not become Catholic, and neither did Spain become Protestant.

    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don’t really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.

    I wouldn’t know what is on offer in the curricula of Spanish-speaking countries, but the figures I referenced, and more, are certainly studied outside of such. A comparative survey that excludes them is deficient.

    In any case, relative passed neglect may stem from that root described in the 1625 English play, Dick of Devonshire:

    “I nere could tell from what roote this huge Large spreading Tree of hate from Spayne to us, From us agayne to Spayne, took the first growth…”

    In closing, my defense of those aspects of Spanish history I find admirable are in no wise a polemic against other Europeans, nor a denial of the genius of, say, Italy (a term used anachronistically above, along with Spain). I wonder whether you’ve fallen into the inverse trap.

  163. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    White people are okay with black savagery not just because of PC and guilt. They're okay because they find it exciting to see blacks behaving badly. It gives them a thrill. They enjoy seeing blacks killing whites, killing fellow blacks, and killing anyone who crosses their path. After working an 8-5 shift in a boring office or a crappy retail environment (or not working at all, as in the case of our unemployed Millennials), it's fun to come home and watch blacks acting crazy on tv.

    The Romans used to cheer on gladiators slaughtering other gladiators, while ignoring the various problems (corruption, Germanic tribes, profligate spending, trade deficits) plaguing their empire.

    Americans cheer on rappers and thuggish athletes, while paying little attention to the problems plaguing our nation. Soon the results will come.

    A lot of people here like to portray whites as guilty or afraid to offend, hence their unwillingness to take on bad black behavior. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of whites are immature and entertainment addicted, so that's why they tolerate it. White-Americans aren't public spirited and high minded, they're vulgar consumers of low class entertainment.

    In my office, there are lots of 40 something men who spend hours a day surfing sites with "inside information" on high school athletic prospects. There are women who keep up the celebrity gossip involving Rihanna, Kardashian, Britney Spears, Madonna, etc. Americans of all races (including most whites) are gluttons who spend their day shoving unhealthy food into their mouth and unhealthy entertainment into their head. Anything that interrupts that gluttony doesn't sell.

    You’re missing the media two-step.

    The media presents White people with certain aspects of Black culture like Rap and at the same time constantly attacks White people over racism.

    Part of White people raving about Rap or Oprah or Black sports stars is them trying to prove they’re not racist in ant way they can that stops short of letting their kids get beat up at school every day.

    It’s like the media’s version of good cop, bad cop.

  164. @24AheadDotCom
    Thought experiment: imagine the series of events that would have to happen for this artist to cover the Rihanna song and video:

    http://peekURL.com/vDvBS2P

    I used to really like Natalie Merchant. She was an earnest, honest, counter culture lefty with some great music. He 1997 album was the best. Jealousy.

  165. @Curle

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…
     
    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war, establishing Hamilton's unified national state by eliminating the old constitutional order. Better for operating a continent wide railroad and other similar commercial ventures.

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…

    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war,

    Before the war dear, fellow.In the Antebellum period, say from 1830 to 1859.Why didn’t the South, using all that “Cotton Boom” money, establish a an emancipation time-table (cf what was done in states like Pennsylvania) combined with a well-funded colonization plan for the freed slaves?

    The answer is all too simple.They didn’t want to.

    • Replies: @Curle

    Before the war dear, fellow.In the Antebellum period, say from 1830 to 1859.Why didn’t the South, using all that “Cotton Boom” money, establish a an emancipation time-table (cf what was done in states like Pennsylvania) combined with a well-funded colonization plan for the freed slaves?
     
    Shame on them they didn't better anticipate being invaded.
  166. @slumber_j
    It's not my sense that pathogens played a significant role in the Spanish conquest of Mexico. They did bring a ton of notaries though, so maybe it's the first instance of a civilization's having been lawyered to death.

    It’s not my sense that pathogens played a significant role in the Spanish conquest of Mexico.

    You are quite incorrect:

    While Cortés was rebuilding his alliances and garnering more supplies, a smallpox epidemic struck the natives of the Valley of Mexico, including Tenochtitlan. The disease was probably carried by a Spanish slave from Narvaez’s forces, who had been abandoned in the capital during the Spanish flight.[1] Smallpox played a crucial role in the Spanish success during the Siege of Tenochtitlan from 1519-1521, a fact not mentioned in some historical accounts. The disease broke out in Tenochtitlan in late October, 1520; the epidemic lasted sixty days, ending by early December. It was at this event where firsthand accounts were recorded in the Florentine Codex concerning the adverse effects of the smallpox epidemic of the Aztecs, which stated, “many died from this plague, and many others died of hunger. They could not get up and search for food, and everyone else was too sick to care for them, so they starved to death in their beds. By the time the danger was recognized, the plague was well established that nothing could halt it”.[21] The smallpox epidemic caused not only infection to the Mexica peoples, but it weakened able bodied people who could no longer grow and harvest their crops, which in turn led to mass famine and death from malnutrition.[21] While the population of Tenochtitlan was recovering, the disease continued to Chalco, a city on the southeast corner of Lake Texcoco that was formerly controlled by the Aztecs but now occupied by the Spanish.[6] Reproduction and population growth declined since people of child bearing age either had to fight off the Spanish invasion or died due to famine, malnutrition or other diseases.[22] Diseases like smallpox could travel great distances and spread throughout large populations, which was the case with the Aztecs having lost approximately 50% of its population from smallpox and other diseases.[23] The disease killed an estimated forty percent of the native population in the area within a year. The Aztecs codices give ample depictions of the disease’s progression. It was known to them as the huey ahuizotl (great rash).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tenochtitlan#Smallpox_reduces_the_local_population

    December 1520
    Siege, Starvation & Smallpox
    At Tlaxcala Cortés pacified his wavering Indian allies and rebuilt his military force. The key to victory, he believed, was the lake and he set out to build a fleet of prefabricated boats. It was at this time that Cortés wrote his long second letter to the King of Spain, outlining his actions since his arrival in Mexico-Tenochtitlán. Meanwhile, the Aztecs thought the Spaniards were gone for good. They elected a new king, Cuautemoc, “The Fallen Eagle.” He was in his mid-20s, the son of Montezuma’s uncle, Ahuitzotl and was an experienced leader.

    The Aztecs cleaned the temple courtyards and again celebrated their fiestas in the traditional way. But by the end of September, people started to die of a mysterious and alien illness that had horrifying symptoms of “racking coughs and painful burning sores.” The pestilence, smallpox, spread soon crossed the causeways into Tenochtitlán. It lasted 70 days, until late November, and killed a vast number of people.

    At the end of December 1520, Cortés’ army moved toward Tenochtitlán; the boats followed later, transported in pieces overland by 8,000 native carriers. The early stage of the siege saw the surrender of towns all around the lake. It must have been plain that Tenochtitlán was doomed. The Aztec leadership was divided, and the annals of Tlatelolco note that the Mexicans were already fighting among themselves. Soon Still the Aztecs would not surrender, even when only the city on the island was left.

    http://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_h00.html

  167. @Whiskey
    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then -- it was thought to come from humours and bad air.

    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then — it was thought to come from humours and bad air.

    No, they weren’t. Amerind losses were far more debastating

  168. @Harry Baldwin
    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn't know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were, yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them. That anyone can regard Spain's victory as "predictable" is ridiculous.

    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn’t know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were,

    Doesn’t matter if they understood what was happening or not.Pathogens (small-pox, etc) still worked to their advantage.

    yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them.

    Not that tremendous, not after diseases did their work.Plus, the Aztecs had lots of enemies/resentful subjects who were quite eager to help the invaders.

    That anyone can regard Spain’s victory as “predictable” is ridiculous.

    From our vantage point, it was quite predictable.Any significant European power (Spain, France, England) could have done it.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    You're arguing from hindsight. You could just as well argue that it was predictable that the D-Day invasion would succeed, because there were certain factors that worked against the Germans, even if Eisenhower didn't know about them then.
  169. @Whiskey
    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then -- it was thought to come from humours and bad air.

    The pathogens were roughly equal. Cortez lost over a quarter of his men to Yellow Fever. And he had few to start. Recall, nobody knew anything about disease back then — it was thought to come from humours and bad air.

    No, they weren’t. Amerind losses were far more devastating*

    Corrected a typo

  170. @syonredux

    Interesting how the South seemed to find financing a bloody, multi-year war in defense of slavery preferable to properly funding a colonization project…

    The South was invaded and in no way, shape or form whatsoever would the South paying for colonization have ended the invasion given that slavery was subsidiary to the main purpose of the war,
     
    Before the war dear, fellow.In the Antebellum period, say from 1830 to 1859.Why didn't the South, using all that "Cotton Boom" money, establish a an emancipation time-table (cf what was done in states like Pennsylvania) combined with a well-funded colonization plan for the freed slaves?

    The answer is all too simple.They didn't want to.

    Before the war dear, fellow.In the Antebellum period, say from 1830 to 1859.Why didn’t the South, using all that “Cotton Boom” money, establish a an emancipation time-table (cf what was done in states like Pennsylvania) combined with a well-funded colonization plan for the freed slaves?

    Shame on them they didn’t better anticipate being invaded.

  171. @Steve Sailer
    The Spanish conquests of the Empires of the Aztecs and Incas are the most astonishing military enterprises in history.

    Indeed, and Hernán Cortés had a pair on him unmatched by anybody around lately. He gets a bad rap because of, you know, but was a master strategist, great tactician, brilliant conniver, and no more cruel that circumstances demanded. The Spaniards of the Conquest were disciplined soldiers, the country just coming off the long campaign to expel the Moors. When soldiers meet warriors like the Aztecs, soldiers win. Pizarro was a nasty piece of work, and the Andean indigenes were greatly reduced by disease when he arrived. Jon Manchip White has a readable and sympathetic short bio of Cortés that’s well worth a read.

  172. @syonredux

    Having pathogens in your favor, it’s one hell of an advantage.

    But of course they didn’t know they had pathogens in their favor, or even what pathogens were,
     
    Doesn't matter if they understood what was happening or not.Pathogens (small-pox, etc) still worked to their advantage.

    yet they went ahead and took on a great empire anyway, with tremendous odds against them.
     
    Not that tremendous, not after diseases did their work.Plus, the Aztecs had lots of enemies/resentful subjects who were quite eager to help the invaders.

    That anyone can regard Spain’s victory as “predictable” is ridiculous.
     
    From our vantage point, it was quite predictable.Any significant European power (Spain, France, England) could have done it.

    You’re arguing from hindsight. You could just as well argue that it was predictable that the D-Day invasion would succeed, because there were certain factors that worked against the Germans, even if Eisenhower didn’t know about them then.

  173. Ted says:
    @syonredux

    Historical accounts ought endeavor to explain the past. I wonder how convincingly a continent’s speaking Spanish and Portuguese, being Catholic, and, again, being run through by European architecture (dating to the period of conquest), can be chalked up to luck.
     
    Easy way to test this.Black Africa is closer to Iberia than the New World, yet its conquest was a much more protracted affair, not truly being complete until the end of the 19th century.Why? No pathogenic advantage working in favor of the European conquerors.

    More to the point, Spain ruled its overseas territories for between three and four hundred years. Three and a half centuries does not a fluke make. Its successes are more convincingly attributable to advantages in technique and navigation than to luck, given that it was not without adversaries.
     
    Got there first.Big advantage.And ruling over Mestizos and Amerinds seems fairly easy.

    Its military prowess seems to have matched the epithet “Golden”,
     
    Well, its culture certainly wasn't, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    as well as the abilities of its rivals, for one of history’s fleeting seasons, at least (remember, the oft mentioned Spanish Armada was an episode in the Anglo-Spanish war of 1585-1604, whose outcome favored Spain, to mention but one example).
     
    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant, etc

    Spain’s fall into decadence was partially the result of inflation (consequent to its importation of precious metals from abroad, a phenomenon first exhaustively observed by the Spanish School of Salamanca in 1556, which formed the basis for the Austrian School, in Rothbard’s opinion),
     
    A cliche, but a true one.Spain's conquests were her downfall.She was like a spendthrift heir burning through her inheritance.

    constant warfare, and the Congress of Vienna. These factors made for a disastrous 19th Century replete with civil discord, which delivered the country into the twentieth century with a severely poor populace.
     
    Spanish torpor was proverbial long before the 19th century.

    As for the “Golden Age” in the proper sense of artistic buoyance, Murray’s quantitative comparison of note-worthy figures from different regions is quite incomplete. It does not mention Feliciano de Silva, Pedro Mexia, Luis Zapata, Antonio de Torquemada, Claudio Coello, Antonio de Guevara, and a long etc. These are not obscure names.
     
    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don't really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.They are not significant in terms of the Western Canon.

    I’m reposting this, as it hasn’t yet shown up. My apologies to the moderator if the original post is just cued:

    Thought experiments of the sort you propose in comparing the invasions of America and Africa gloss over much. Spain’s interest in Africa was never on a par with its offensives in America. It was interested in N.Africa, pieces of which it held onto into the 20thC. The conquest-as-contagion thesis, despite its value, remains thinly stretched when broadly appealed to as explaining the conquest of a continent and a half.

    Well, its culture certainly wasn’t, not when compared to the English, French, Italians, etc

    An immoderate statement. Consider that masters from Tiziano to el Greco chose to live and work in Spain; Spanish monarchs (and attendant Spanish subjects) founded prominent Italian universities (the first faculty of Economics and Astronomy in the world, the Academy of Fine arts and Sciences in Naples, etc.); centers of learning like the School of Salamanca shaped international jurisprudence and economic theory (their central figures, such as Vitoria, go unmentioned by Murray).

    If you deny Spain both military and cultural merit, you can account for the above neither in terms of political prevalence nor of cultural offerings, limiting your position’s explicatory value.

    Anyway, my defense of aspects of Spanish and Portuguese history I find admirable is in no wise a polemic against other European peoples (the genius of Italian painters and British seamen, say).

    Well, not favored enough, I should think.Elizabeth stayed on the throne, England stayed Protestant

    More favorable than its British adversary. Relative advantage being largely the point. Neither did Spain become Protestant.

    Their lack of inclusion is a sign that they don’t really matter very much to the non-Hispanic world.

    I’m unaware of the curricula in Spanish-speaking countries, but the figures I mentioned are studied outside of such. A comparative survey that excludes them is deficient.

    In any case, relative passed neglect may stem from that root described in the 1625 English play, Dick of Devonshire:

    “I nere could tell from what roote this huge Large spreading Tree of hate from Spayne to us, From us agayne to Spayne, took the first growth…”

  174. @Steve Sailer
    Guys are okay with cool singers who can't really sing like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Joe Strummer. And those are just the most obvious. There are plenty of okay singers like Tom Petty who slid by without comment because they weren't as bad as Neil Young and the really obvious ones.

    But American women singers are often objectively high performing singers. That was Simon Cowell's big discovery on the first season of American Idol. He came from Britain intending to concoct cruddy Spice Girls-type acts, but found that American audiences preferred singers like Kelly Clarkson who could really belt it out.

    Here's a non-rock example: My Fair Lady. Guys were fine with Rex Harrison talking his way through the songs, but Audrey Hepburn, who could sing better than Rex could, got dubbed over by classical singer Marni Nixon.

    There are quite a few female pop stars with genuinely poor voices:

    Jennifer Lopez
    Britney Spears
    Janet Jackson
    Paula Abdul
    Jessica Simpson
    Kesha
    Nicki Minaj
    Hilary Duff

    Rihanna seems to occupy the mediocre middle along with the likes of:

    Madonna
    Katy Perry
    Lady Gaga
    Taylor Swift
    Lana Del Rey
    Gwen Stefani

    Then, of course, you have the Aguileras, Dions, Careys etc.

  175. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I will say this.

    Rap videos and hip hop culture are basically a minstrel show. It's a minstrel show that allows people of all races (not just blacks) to have fun. Watching blacks act bad on tv is the equivalent of Romans cheering on gladiatorial barbarism. It's immature and vulgar, but it's what the people want.

    Many whites tolerate the bad behavior on tv not out of a sense of guilt, but because a lot of them love it. That's not to say that PC doesn't matter at all, but it's an oversold factor.

    There's a difference between entertainment and real life. In the entertainment industry, bad behavior is funny. In real life, most people won't tolerate bad behavior because it's not very entertaining to be victimized. Which is why whites will tolerate hip hop savagery on tv, but want strict policing in real life.

    The typical white wants entertaining blacks on tv, but wants tough police to keep his suburban/rural/gentrified neighborhood safe. Our present day system (blacks get to act bad on tv, get police in their face in real life) is a reflection of what the average American wants (and what businessmen can make money off).

    The downside to the system is that a lot of blacks take the hip hop stuff too seriously and embrace the thug life, which has serious consequences for them and their communities. Of course, it'd be unfair to say that whites are forcing blacks to act this way. Given how many blacks embrace hip hop and how muted criticism is among black leaders, it'd seem that they're not particularly uncomfortable with the affect of hip hop on black communities.

    I meant no sarcasm at all. You make excellent points.

  176. @Steve Sailer
    Sinatra had an impressive Bing Crosby-like voice as a young man. Here he's singing Old Man River in 1946 at age 30:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw_MmVptQ

    Sinatra had some friends who would find Bitch Better Have My Money a great anthem!

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