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From the NYT back on February 12:

It was a reprisal of [Hillary’s] offensive at Thursday night’s debate, but she escalated her assault further, portraying Mr. Sanders as an impediment to the health care law so associated with Mr. Obama that, she noted, it bears his name.

“He does not support the way I do building on the progress the president has made, and that includes building on the Affordable Care Act,” she said of her opponent, receiving a loud ovation when she mentioned Mr. Obama’s signature domestic accomplishment. It is African-Americans, she added to more applause, who “have made the most advances and gains” thanks to the health law.

Mrs. Clinton’s assault was an indication of how aggressively she intends to run against Mr. Sanders, who routed her by 22 percentage points in the New Hampshire primary this week. Separately, the “super PAC” supporting her, Priorities USA, said it would begin running ads that Mrs. Clinton is the true heir to Mr. Obama’s legacy when it comes to helping blacks.

The electorate in the South Carolina Democratic primary on Feb. 27 is expected to be at least half black, a constituency that reveres Mr. Obama and was crucial in his defeat of Mrs. Clinton in the 2008 Democratic contest here.

Mrs. Clinton still enjoys a substantial advantage over Mr. Sanders among African-Americans in polls, but her campaign is plainly concerned about his making inroads with such voters. Her campaign has conducted focus groups of African-American voters, an aide said, which revealed that many of them associate attacks on the health law as no different from attacks on Mr. Obama himself.

Mr. Sanders voted for the legislation, but has called for going further and enacting universal, government-run health care for all Americans.

Yeah, sure, Free Stuff sounds good in theory, but that’s dissing Obamacare, which is racist.

The Democrats are turning into the Black Party. Like with the Oscars and 12 Years a Slave, once you go black you are never supposed to go back.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, sure, Free Stuff sounds good in theory, but that’s dissing Obamacare, which is racist.

    It’s not even at that level for most black voters. Most black voters don’t understand what “single-payer” means. Actually, many white voters probably don’t understand it either. So they don’t really understand it as Free Stuff. They probably just understand it as Bernie’s plan (whatever that is) and Obama’s plan (whatever that is).

  2. It just shows how low IQ and the inability to process information correctly plays across national politics from, er, certain communities.

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There aren’t enough blacks for it to become the black party. It might be in South Carolina, where most Democrats are black, and most whites are Republicans. But it’s not nationally.

    It’d be more accurate to say that the Republicans are now the white party, and the Democrats are what they’ve always been – a minority coalition party that includes a minority of whites.

  4. Occam’s Razor explanation – Blacks don’t like Jews.

    • Replies: @e
    Occam’s Razor explanation – Blacks don’t like Jews.

    No, they don't, but what in heaven's name makes you believe they'd even know he was Jewish? Certainly not their voracious reading.

    Steve has it right. Any mention of Obamacare that doesn't make it holy is a diss of Barry. Perhaps in the General when/if Trump wishes to talk to black voters, he should speak of the ACA. They won't know what he's talking about and so won't see his remarks as a diss of their savior.

    , @Alec Leamas
    And they're free to be rather open about it.
    , @i am the walrus
    Jews can't get elected to national office in the Democratic Party nor coach NBA teams. Wonder why?
    , @Olorin
    I'd say we have a bingo here.

    This was my prediction SC for just that reason.

    What I want to know is, when did the NYT start referring to married women as "Mrs."?

    I thought the standard was Ms. and that "Mrs." reeked of trop passe antifeminist alignment with the patriarchy?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jack D, my wife and two youngest daughters, one of whom supports Sanders, didn't know he was Jewish. All well educated and adults. The media doesn't push that .
  5. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Paradoxically, when it comes to November, Trump, as the flashy big man may well get more black support than Clinton.

  6. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website

    So, what is this gonna turn into?

    SWPL vs SBPDL?

    “The Democrats are turning into the Black Party.”

    I disagree. Hillary has to pander to blacks since it’s election season.

    Indeed, southern blacks won’t matter so much after the primaries.

    In the general election, many of the southern states will go GOP. So, she won’t have to pander to blacks in very black southern states.

    She knows she has most of the blacks in the northern state, though Trump’s anti-immigration may appeal to them.

    Trump will take many white working class.

    Hillary will have the donor class.

    What matters is the white middle class.

    Hillary will get the college educated upper middle class and Asians.

    Blacks make some noise, and White Libs pretend to care and appease them a bit.

    But blacks have fallen so low in the Democratic Party.
    In some ways, BLM is a sign of black weakness, not strength. It goes to show that blacks have fallen so far behind that they have to make a BIG FUSS and scream-and-shout to be heard. If not for BLM, the Democratic Party wouldn’t be addressing black issues at all.

    Blacks realize the Democrats are all about Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Las Vegas, Ivy League colleges. Democratic Party is about Jews, homos, and urban gentry. Also, Asians are rising economically and going Democratic. Democrats got the real money and talent.

    Democrats were the immigration party at one time. And it would have remained as such IF NOT FOR THE IMMIGRATION RESTRICTION OF THE 1920s.

    The massive reduction of immigrants forced the Democratic Party to rely less on immigrants(reduced to a trickle) and more on American citizens. And blacks seemed like the natural constituency.
    Democratic Party was also the agrarian and white working class party.

    BUT…

    the farmer vote was bound to grow weaker. As US turned more industrial and urban, fewer and fewer folks worked on the land. Today, GOP has the farmer vote but it’s insignificant as only 2% of Americans work in agriculture.
    The white working class vote was rich for a time, especially as manufacturing made up the biggest sector of US economy after WWII. But with rising global competition and rise in high-tech and service industries, the working class was growing weaker.

    Dems came to rely on blacks, but blacks were so much trouble. Blacks had a compelling historical narrative about slavery and racial discrimination, but their crime and wild antics scared urban Libs and turned more whites into law-and-order Republicans.

    So, in some ways, the immigration act of 60s had greater long-term significance than the civil rights act.
    It allowed the Democrats to become the party of immigrants once again, something that had been foiled in the 1920s.

    If there had been no immigration restriction in the 1920s, Democrats might have been mostly an immigrant party with vastly expanding immigration every year.
    The Democrats might not have gone after blacks so much since immigrants would have supplied the necessary votes for victory. Since the 60s, Democratic party kept the black votes and also took the bulk of immigrant votes.

    And immigrant votes will continue to be more important. As immigrants rise in number, blacks will be less essential for Democratic victories.
    California wins with Hispanic and Asian votes for the Dems.
    Blacks are no longer important in California for Dems.
    Also, if blacks ruin cities, browns supply white urban libs with cheap low level jobs and yellows provide a ready workforce for tech drone labor. Immigration votes will lock future victory for Dems.

    Given black propensity for violence, Hillary and Bernie have to throw them some cookies once awhile, but blacks have not gained much under even Obama, the black guy. Obama’s presidency was mostly about bailing out wall street, giving homos everything, and messing up middle east and ukraine for Zionists. Indeed, even trannies got more attention than negroes.

    NYT make a big fuss about blacks, but it is just smoke-and-mirrors to cover up all the Democratic policies — like more and more immigration — that make blacks ever more irrelevant in US politics.

    As Jews and homos run the Democratic Party, immigrants are more valuable.
    Immigrants will work well with Jews and homos and be grateful to them.
    Also, immigrants have better prospect of making the rise. This is true of black african immigrants as well. So, Democratic Party will be the part of social mobility. Without immigrants, the Dems are the party of Jews at top, whites in middle, blacks on bottom, and nothing will change. Not good for a party of ‘equality’. But since immigrants tend to rise socially, it creates the impression that Democratic Party is the party of inclusion and success, something that cannot be said for a lot of blacks.

  7. OT:

    A talk-show caller claiming to have been a starter on the Tarkio College football team when Marco Rubio was a student there in 1989 has said the following:

    1) Rubio could not have had a football scholarship because Tarkio did not give out football scholarships.

    2) Rubio attended the first football practice and did nothing else with the team.

    3) Rubio did not attend for a full year, but left after one semester.

    4) Rubio took money from Tarkio football players for “supplements” that he could obtain for them in Miami while he was home over Christmas break, but he never came back to Tarkio after Christmas and never returned the money.

    http://themeck.blogspot.com/2016/02/finebaum-show-caller-drops-bombshell.html

    • Replies: @tbraton
    It's very interesting how Rubio's reputation as a football player has changed over the years. When he ran for the Senate in 2010, I seem to recall stories extolling his skills as a hotshot QB. In recent years, the story has been gradually pared back to the point that your post makes that he wasn't even a QB in college. Do we even know what kind of QB he was in high school?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Rubio took money from Tarkio football players for “supplements” that he could obtain for them in Miami while he was home over Christmas break...
     
    Whenever I hear the name Tarkio, I think of Brewer and Shipley, who played there often and gave the name to their album.

    Their signature phrase was "One Toke Over the Line":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE
  8. @Jack D
    Occam's Razor explanation - Blacks don't like Jews.

    Occam’s Razor explanation – Blacks don’t like Jews.

    No, they don’t, but what in heaven’s name makes you believe they’d even know he was Jewish? Certainly not their voracious reading.

    Steve has it right. Any mention of Obamacare that doesn’t make it holy is a diss of Barry. Perhaps in the General when/if Trump wishes to talk to black voters, he should speak of the ACA. They won’t know what he’s talking about and so won’t see his remarks as a diss of their savior.

  9. Did South Carolina Blacks Interpret Bernie’s Single Payer Health Plan as a Racist Diss on Obamacare?

    “Single payer” sure sounds like it has a lot in common with “Big Man”. This time, though, it’s the wrong big man.

    The Democrats are turning into the Black Party. Like with the Oscars and 12 Years a Slave, once you go black you are never supposed to go back.

    “Hillary Rodham Simpson” has a nice ring to it.

    By the way, who’s performing all those abortions of color at ghetto PPs? Aging WASP ice queens, or even more rapidly aging Jewish men?

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    From what I can tell, it's Indians. They have few scruples in aborting any fetus not of their caste and they need the money.
    , @CK
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
    Another success story from Philadelphia.
    One that the national press watched from afar.
  10. @Jack D
    Occam's Razor explanation - Blacks don't like Jews.

    And they’re free to be rather open about it.

  11. @Jack D
    Occam's Razor explanation - Blacks don't like Jews.

    Jews can’t get elected to national office in the Democratic Party nor coach NBA teams. Wonder why?

    • Replies: @CK
    9 current senators, 19 current congressmen, 3 justices of the supreme court ( not elective I know ), 2 current governors, 11 major city mayors. Not exactly proportional representation.
    Not sure about basketball, why be the coach when you can be the owner? 12 NBA teams majority owners are Jewish. as are 8 of the current NFL owners.
    , @International Jew

    Jews can’t...coach NBA teams
     
    David Blatt FTW!
  12. African-American voters, an aide said, which revealed that many of them associate attacks on the health law as no different from attacks on Mr. Obama himself.

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.
     
    Or even more true as an attack on GW Bush himself.

    Many White Republicans are emotionally bonded to GW Bush not unlike how black Democrats are emotionally bonded to Obama.
    , @Das
    Since the entire conservative establishment backed it enthusiastically the entire time, from the Republican party to all the associated interest groups and think tanks, they do own it. American "conservatism" has nothing positive to offer, and needs to be scrapped and replaced by something else.
  13. The biggest factor is that most Blacks bloc vote according to how they are told to by their Big Men, who are their preachers in most cases. The Big Big Men, like Sharpton and Jackson, are not coincidentally preachers too.

    Hillary, and more to the point Hillary’s handlers, are their handlers too. Blacks are, politically speaking , bought and paid for property. More of them than you’d think know it and don’t care.

    There are exceptions, I know some of them and most of us do too, but they are few in numbers, too statistically insignificant to get anyone elected.

    That the winner of the black vote always gets at least 70% and often in the nineties tells you every thing you need to know. In South Carolina, the Black Establishment made a mistake (or some badwhite slipperydicked them-sadly, there aren’t enough badwhites out there with the moxie to do it to make me think that that’s what happened) and an unheard of Black , Alvin Greene, got the Senate nomination for the Democrats.

    A few blacks and a few “Latinos” -mostly high-white-content mestizos who consider themselves pretty much white-will vote for Trump, more than any other GOP candidate certainly, but that won’t get anyone elected.

    Trump has to turn out the Grabowski vote-blue and working-white collar white workers-and if he doesn’t truckle to the GOP establishment he will.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Former Dafur, you are absolutely correct. If the powers that be in the black community backed Sanders, he would have beat Hillary in SoC.
  14. @Reg Cæsar

    Did South Carolina Blacks Interpret Bernie's Single Payer Health Plan as a Racist Diss on Obamacare?
     
    "Single payer" sure sounds like it has a lot in common with "Big Man". This time, though, it's the wrong big man.

    The Democrats are turning into the Black Party. Like with the Oscars and 12 Years a Slave, once you go black you are never supposed to go back.
     
    "Hillary Rodham Simpson" has a nice ring to it.

    By the way, who's performing all those abortions of color at ghetto PPs? Aging WASP ice queens, or even more rapidly aging Jewish men?

    From what I can tell, it’s Indians. They have few scruples in aborting any fetus not of their caste and they need the money.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    From what I can tell, it’s Indians. They have few scruples in aborting any fetus not of their caste and they need the money.

     

    So the dots are doing what the feathers did centuries ago-- massacring our little ones.
  15. The whole point of single payer is to keep it simple and efficient. That means there are not a lot of AA or government sinecures for the black ‘elites’ which is what they really crave. They could work as nurses and orderlies but that just wouldn’t be cool baby.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Single payer would cut insurance companies out of some or all of the health care business, and would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies. None of the people likely to be hurt are heavily black--probably they're skewed the other way.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The whole point of single payer is to keep it simple and efficient.
     
    Thanks for citing the Socialist conceit. There are many places that embrace that conceit. Why should we?
  16. Douthat’s article has some good comparisions of Trump’s campaign to Obama’s cult in 2009.

  17. Trump may have siphoned off Sander’s white vote. In other primaries that can’t happen.

    Open primary:

    South Carolina holds an “open primary,” meaning any registered voter who didn’t participate in last week’s Republican primary may cast a ballot.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-carolina-democratic-primary/story?id=37238329

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    "Trump may have siphoned off Sander’s white vote."

    Sanders may have offended potential white voters by claiming that Trump's white voters were racist - didn't win him any blacks and lost him a lot of whites.
  18. • Replies: @AG3

    OT – D.C. policewoman killed first day on the job.

     

    If by DC you mean a town 2 counties over. Woodbridge isn't even suburban DC.

    On a related note, MSNBC canned Melissa Harris Perry.
  19. @Jack D
    Occam's Razor explanation - Blacks don't like Jews.

    I’d say we have a bingo here.

    This was my prediction SC for just that reason.

    What I want to know is, when did the NYT start referring to married women as “Mrs.”?

    I thought the standard was Ms. and that “Mrs.” reeked of trop passe antifeminist alignment with the patriarchy?

  20. The Democrats are turning into the Black Party.

    No it isn’t. It’s simply America’s Majority party, the party of the American Core. It is gobbling up the vast majority of New America – Asians and hispanics as well.

    And it remains essentially a “White party” where it matters.

    You may have noticed the exclusively White nature of this year’s Democrat presidential candidates.

    White democrats are the majority of the democrat voters, candidates, office holders, hacks, consultants, rich donors, pundits, assistants, appointees etc etc.

    You apparently failed to notice Hillary also won the White vote in South Carolina. So an all-White election would have meant a Hillary victory. Sorry for pointing out that trivial detail.

    Occam’s Razor explanation – Blacks don’t like Jews.

    That seems like another irrational interpretation. How many black voters see Sanders as a jew and how many see him simply as “Another old White man”?

    Your extreme interpretation seems like Whiskey’s Razor – White women hate hate hate average “white guys” and only want alpha guys, black guys and jerks. Le sigh!

    One old White non religious nearly closeted Jew loses to America’s most famous political woman and you view it as a shinning example of rampant black Jew hatred. Not smart.

    Obamacare

    Republicans could have labelled it Reid/Pelosi Care but no that might be too much for them. So instead of tying it to two unappealing members of congress they chose to flatter Obama and give him credit and thereby make the criticism more “problematic”, as they say.

    Because that’s what goofy “white guys” in the Republican party do.

    • Replies: @i am the walrus
    Hillary did not "win the white vote" in South Carolina. Do you mean she won the white Democratic vote? If so, that's a rather small percentage of white South Carolinians. The numbers I saw had her winning the majority of white female votes but losing among white males. But, again, what self-respecting white male votes Democratic anyway?
  21. @Harry Baldwin
    African-American voters, an aide said, which revealed that many of them associate attacks on the health law as no different from attacks on Mr. Obama himself.

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.

    Or even more true as an attack on GW Bush himself.

    Many White Republicans are emotionally bonded to GW Bush not unlike how black Democrats are emotionally bonded to Obama.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You're trolling. You make an uninformed comparison of the (mostly depleted) white Rep attachment to the 2nd Bush to black Obamamania, two fads founded on opposite emotions. If anything, it was traditional anti-media solidarity -- now a key force in Trump's rise -- that redounded to George W. on a personal level, not going further into defense of his policy collapse after the 2006 election. The final year it was safe for even Grover Norquist to publicly bash W. (in fact with the most venerable "anti-Bush" politician short of Jacques Chirac on the top of the ticket, probably integral to the game plan).

    Junior is receding to the low level of regard the base had for his father circa 1994. This is why Trump's heretically blaming 9/11 on the W Admin's negligence didn't cost him, despite the hysterical idiotic teeth-gnashing of Bret Stephens, Ace of Spades, and tag-along talk-radio machers who predicted a swift comeuppance real soon now. Moreover Junior's erstwhile supporters have finally gotten weary of hearing about him too and, in the scheme, of defending him over any partisan point at all. The only people who can't help themselves, eight years on, from continuously ranting about Bush are the same who viscerally hated him at the time.

  22. I’m disappointed Trump didn’t buy all the remaining Jeb! Guac Bowls and have his staffers stack them in a pyramid like the skulls of the vanquished.

  23. Sanders’ aides ought to have framed the problem as “Sanderscare” vs. “Hillarycare”. It’s not only that Blacks are too stupid to see the advantage of Sanderscare (for them), it’s that Sanders’ aides are too stupid to understand how the Black mind works.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    ¿Are you loco? I'm not too stupid to understand. I go to the ER when I want and I pay nada. Only gringos care 'bout this "healthcare" or a "healthcare system."¡Bájate de esa nube!.
  24. US Blacks are basically anti-communists. Sure many like bennies, but they’re trying to move up.

    When I meet them, that’s what they say about Bernie: He’s a BS-ing Commie traitor out to do us all in and take away their cousin’s low-paying job that’s giving her a hand up for $15 /hr pie-in-the-sky. Then draft the newly unemployed.

  25. @Stogumber
    Sanders' aides ought to have framed the problem as "Sanderscare" vs. "Hillarycare". It's not only that Blacks are too stupid to see the advantage of Sanderscare (for them), it's that Sanders' aides are too stupid to understand how the Black mind works.

    ¿Are you loco? I’m not too stupid to understand. I go to the ER when I want and I pay nada. Only gringos care ’bout this “healthcare” or a “healthcare system.¡Bájate de esa nube!.

  26. @Harry Baldwin
    African-American voters, an aide said, which revealed that many of them associate attacks on the health law as no different from attacks on Mr. Obama himself.

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.

    Since the entire conservative establishment backed it enthusiastically the entire time, from the Republican party to all the associated interest groups and think tanks, they do own it. American “conservatism” has nothing positive to offer, and needs to be scrapped and replaced by something else.

  27. Supporting Bernie Sanders most definitely is an implicit diss on Obama.

    If you think Obama has done such a great job, why not vote for his ideological clone, Hillary Clinton?

    The few blacks who have endorsed Sanders are the ones who have been sharply critical of Obama.

  28. @Grumpy
    OT:

    A talk-show caller claiming to have been a starter on the Tarkio College football team when Marco Rubio was a student there in 1989 has said the following:

    1) Rubio could not have had a football scholarship because Tarkio did not give out football scholarships.

    2) Rubio attended the first football practice and did nothing else with the team.

    3) Rubio did not attend for a full year, but left after one semester.

    4) Rubio took money from Tarkio football players for "supplements" that he could obtain for them in Miami while he was home over Christmas break, but he never came back to Tarkio after Christmas and never returned the money.

    http://themeck.blogspot.com/2016/02/finebaum-show-caller-drops-bombshell.html

    It’s very interesting how Rubio’s reputation as a football player has changed over the years. When he ran for the Senate in 2010, I seem to recall stories extolling his skills as a hotshot QB. In recent years, the story has been gradually pared back to the point that your post makes that he wasn’t even a QB in college. Do we even know what kind of QB he was in high school?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    A 5'9" college QB? Best info I've gotten is that Ruboy might've showed up for a team picture one season at a non-NCAA program in Missouri, and may taken money from other players for "supplements" (i.e., steroids) he'd pick up on trips home to Miami (which he never ponied up).

    http://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/According-to-Marco-Rubios-ex-teammate-43948991

    Guessing this is one more unusual experience Ruboy was having in what looks like a "long weekend" for the budding hombre just after high school between 1989-1990. Would have served to check off a box for him for football-crazy Republicans and Floridians, at least.

  29. I think Bernie’s big mistake was not referring to himself as “Colonel Sanders.” That might have gotten him more black votes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I think Bernie’s big mistake was not referring to himself as “Colonel Sanders.” That might have gotten him more black votes.
     
    Yes, if Bernie would have dressed up in that Kentucky Colonel outfit and handed out free buckets of chicken...hell, I'd have voted for him!
    , @anon
    I'm stealing that.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I think Bernie’s big mistake was not referring to himself as “Colonel Sanders.” That might have gotten him more black votes.
     
    Yeah, but he's careful not to associate himself with big buk-buk-buks.
  30. More evidence of Obama as #peaknegro.

  31. @tbraton
    It's very interesting how Rubio's reputation as a football player has changed over the years. When he ran for the Senate in 2010, I seem to recall stories extolling his skills as a hotshot QB. In recent years, the story has been gradually pared back to the point that your post makes that he wasn't even a QB in college. Do we even know what kind of QB he was in high school?

    A 5’9″ college QB? Best info I’ve gotten is that Ruboy might’ve showed up for a team picture one season at a non-NCAA program in Missouri, and may taken money from other players for “supplements” (i.e., steroids) he’d pick up on trips home to Miami (which he never ponied up).

    http://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/According-to-Marco-Rubios-ex-teammate-43948991

    Guessing this is one more unusual experience Ruboy was having in what looks like a “long weekend” for the budding hombre just after high school between 1989-1990. Would have served to check off a box for him for football-crazy Republicans and Floridians, at least.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I find the Rubio story to be more and more curiouser the deeper you look. Here is what his current senate.gov site as Senator says:

    "In 1971, Marco was born in Miami to Cuban-born parents who came to America following Fidel Castro's takeover."

    Even Rubio has gone out of the way to correct that misstatement. I saw an interview of him about a week ago in which the interviewer misstated the date of his parents' arrival in the U.S., and Rubio instantly corrected him (her?) by pointing out that his parents had arrived here years before Castro took over in 1959. (That discrepancy came to light about a year or so ago, because that's when I first became aware of it. That was a result of good newspaper work, as I recall.) I'm just surprised that he or his staff hasn't gotten around to correcting his official website.

    Further on, the same website contains this statement:

    "Rubio attended South Miami Senior High School, graduating in 1989. He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before transferring to Santa Fe Community College and then graduating in 1993 with a bachelor of science from the University of Florida."

    Two things I find curious about that statement. First, there is nothing about his playing QB in high school, which should have marked him as a star athlete to justify a scholarship even to a small college. Secondly, there is a specific reference to a "football scholarship" to Tarkio College, which we now have reason to believe was non-existent. Why the different treatment? One possible explanation is that Tarkio College went bankrupt at the conclusion of the year when Rubio attended on his "football scholarship," so there might be a hard time finding records to prove or disprove his claim. On the other hand, his high school still exists, and notably Wikipedia's site does not list Rubio as one of its notable alumni. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Miami_High_School#Football It seems an enterprising reporter might earn a name for himself if he investigated this matter and exploded the myth perpetuated by Rubio that he was a star QB in high school. I have tried unsuccessfully to search the archives of the Miami Herald for articles dealing with the 1988 football season, and have turned up empty handed. Incidentally, one possible lead is the following from Wikipedia: " Basketball[edit]
    Jose Fernandez, Class of 1989 - head coach of the University of South Florida women's basketball team" Class of 1989 happens to be the same class as Marco Rubio. I would imagine he could tell you a lot about Rubio's high school career as a star QB, if he were willing to talk.

    BTW here's a picture of Rubio in his high school football uniform. https://www.google.com/search?q=marco+rubio+high+school+football&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=612&tbm=isch&imgil=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%253BTxFCR4JV3idQJM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fdailysignal.com%25252F2015%25252F04%25252F13%25252F9-surprising-words-that-describe-marco-rubio%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%252CTxFCR4JV3idQJM%252C_&usg=__tuuAZ0C9opRW2b-f9Eljsd9DP6U%3D&dpr=1.25&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZON3JrLAhUFFR4KHUwLCKsQyjcILg&ei=8ArTVralAYWqeMyWoNgK#imgrc=jGBqlYABz2qonM%3A
    He looks like a little kid to me. And "46" as the number for a QB? Seems a bit high to me.
  32. @tbraton
    I think Bernie's big mistake was not referring to himself as "Colonel Sanders." That might have gotten him more black votes.

    I think Bernie’s big mistake was not referring to himself as “Colonel Sanders.” That might have gotten him more black votes.

    Yes, if Bernie would have dressed up in that Kentucky Colonel outfit and handed out free buckets of chicken…hell, I’d have voted for him!

  33. @tbraton
    I think Bernie's big mistake was not referring to himself as "Colonel Sanders." That might have gotten him more black votes.

    I’m stealing that.

  34. @Grumpy
    OT:

    A talk-show caller claiming to have been a starter on the Tarkio College football team when Marco Rubio was a student there in 1989 has said the following:

    1) Rubio could not have had a football scholarship because Tarkio did not give out football scholarships.

    2) Rubio attended the first football practice and did nothing else with the team.

    3) Rubio did not attend for a full year, but left after one semester.

    4) Rubio took money from Tarkio football players for "supplements" that he could obtain for them in Miami while he was home over Christmas break, but he never came back to Tarkio after Christmas and never returned the money.

    http://themeck.blogspot.com/2016/02/finebaum-show-caller-drops-bombshell.html

    Rubio took money from Tarkio football players for “supplements” that he could obtain for them in Miami while he was home over Christmas break…

    Whenever I hear the name Tarkio, I think of Brewer and Shipley, who played there often and gave the name to their album.

    Their signature phrase was “One Toke Over the Line”:

  35. @tbraton
    I think Bernie's big mistake was not referring to himself as "Colonel Sanders." That might have gotten him more black votes.

    I think Bernie’s big mistake was not referring to himself as “Colonel Sanders.” That might have gotten him more black votes.

    Yeah, but he’s careful not to associate himself with big buk-buk-buks.

  36. Black churches are extremely influential, and the Clinton campaign knows this and has cultivated relationships with the local big men/clergy that Sanders could not. It’s transactional politics – support me and we’ll make sure public money finds its way into your hands or neighborhoods, and that is way more appealing than Sanders’ abstract promises about Wall Street.

    Also studiously ignored is the phenomenon of “walking around money” in black politics, a tool I have no doubt the Clinton campaign is using and Sanders is not.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Arclight, And only Hillary gets a free pass to speak in a black preacher's cadence with a fake southern drawl, and she be " no mo tired."
  37. @Reg Cæsar

    Did South Carolina Blacks Interpret Bernie's Single Payer Health Plan as a Racist Diss on Obamacare?
     
    "Single payer" sure sounds like it has a lot in common with "Big Man". This time, though, it's the wrong big man.

    The Democrats are turning into the Black Party. Like with the Oscars and 12 Years a Slave, once you go black you are never supposed to go back.
     
    "Hillary Rodham Simpson" has a nice ring to it.

    By the way, who's performing all those abortions of color at ghetto PPs? Aging WASP ice queens, or even more rapidly aging Jewish men?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
    Another success story from Philadelphia.
    One that the national press watched from afar.

  38. @i am the walrus
    Jews can't get elected to national office in the Democratic Party nor coach NBA teams. Wonder why?

    9 current senators, 19 current congressmen, 3 justices of the supreme court ( not elective I know ), 2 current governors, 11 major city mayors. Not exactly proportional representation.
    Not sure about basketball, why be the coach when you can be the owner? 12 NBA teams majority owners are Jewish. as are 8 of the current NFL owners.

  39. There was an interesting moment after Clinton won the Nevada caucuses. Jim Cramer, the Mad Money guy, was saying how investment bank stocks were going to go back up, and Big Pharma stocks were “going to get their multiples back” because people figured that Hillary was going to beat Sanders. Big Pharma is very happy today, I’m sure.

  40. @Rifleman

    The Democrats are turning into the Black Party.
     
    No it isn't. It's simply America's Majority party, the party of the American Core. It is gobbling up the vast majority of New America - Asians and hispanics as well.

    And it remains essentially a "White party" where it matters.

    You may have noticed the exclusively White nature of this year's Democrat presidential candidates.

    White democrats are the majority of the democrat voters, candidates, office holders, hacks, consultants, rich donors, pundits, assistants, appointees etc etc.

    You apparently failed to notice Hillary also won the White vote in South Carolina. So an all-White election would have meant a Hillary victory. Sorry for pointing out that trivial detail.

    Occam’s Razor explanation – Blacks don’t like Jews.
     
    That seems like another irrational interpretation. How many black voters see Sanders as a jew and how many see him simply as "Another old White man"?

    Your extreme interpretation seems like Whiskey's Razor - White women hate hate hate average "white guys" and only want alpha guys, black guys and jerks. Le sigh!

    One old White non religious nearly closeted Jew loses to America's most famous political woman and you view it as a shinning example of rampant black Jew hatred. Not smart.

    Obamacare
     
    Republicans could have labelled it Reid/Pelosi Care but no that might be too much for them. So instead of tying it to two unappealing members of congress they chose to flatter Obama and give him credit and thereby make the criticism more "problematic", as they say.

    Because that's what goofy "white guys" in the Republican party do.

    Hillary did not “win the white vote” in South Carolina. Do you mean she won the white Democratic vote? If so, that’s a rather small percentage of white South Carolinians. The numbers I saw had her winning the majority of white female votes but losing among white males. But, again, what self-respecting white male votes Democratic anyway?

  41. @Jack D
    Occam's Razor explanation - Blacks don't like Jews.

    Jack D, my wife and two youngest daughters, one of whom supports Sanders, didn’t know he was Jewish. All well educated and adults. The media doesn’t push that .

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Not surprised. Despite my stereotypically Jewish looks and family name (not my handle here, haha) I'm surprised to hear now and then, from reasonably bright people, that they didn't realize I was Jewish. As America gets more "diverse", it'll only get worse (or better? dunno).

    And, not to beat up on anyone, iSteve commenter "Reg Caesar" (one of the funniest and insightful people here) told us a few posts back why "Rosenthal" is an unlikely Jewish family name. Steve himself, for all his keen interest in us, has pretty weak Jewdar. So does Unz, who really embarrassed himself when he counted Jewish names for his "major" (to use his term) piece about Ivy League admissions.

    So I'm chalking up Bernie's South Carolina mauling to non-religious factors--pretty much the ones Steve identified.
  42. @Former Darfur
    The biggest factor is that most Blacks bloc vote according to how they are told to by their Big Men, who are their preachers in most cases. The Big Big Men, like Sharpton and Jackson, are not coincidentally preachers too.

    Hillary, and more to the point Hillary's handlers, are their handlers too. Blacks are, politically speaking , bought and paid for property. More of them than you'd think know it and don't care.

    There are exceptions, I know some of them and most of us do too, but they are few in numbers, too statistically insignificant to get anyone elected.

    That the winner of the black vote always gets at least 70% and often in the nineties tells you every thing you need to know. In South Carolina, the Black Establishment made a mistake (or some badwhite slipperydicked them-sadly, there aren't enough badwhites out there with the moxie to do it to make me think that that's what happened) and an unheard of Black , Alvin Greene, got the Senate nomination for the Democrats.

    A few blacks and a few "Latinos" -mostly high-white-content mestizos who consider themselves pretty much white-will vote for Trump, more than any other GOP candidate certainly, but that won't get anyone elected.

    Trump has to turn out the Grabowski vote-blue and working-white collar white workers-and if he doesn't truckle to the GOP establishment he will.

    Former Dafur, you are absolutely correct. If the powers that be in the black community backed Sanders, he would have beat Hillary in SoC.

  43. @Arclight
    Black churches are extremely influential, and the Clinton campaign knows this and has cultivated relationships with the local big men/clergy that Sanders could not. It's transactional politics - support me and we'll make sure public money finds its way into your hands or neighborhoods, and that is way more appealing than Sanders' abstract promises about Wall Street.

    Also studiously ignored is the phenomenon of "walking around money" in black politics, a tool I have no doubt the Clinton campaign is using and Sanders is not.

    Arclight, And only Hillary gets a free pass to speak in a black preacher’s cadence with a fake southern drawl, and she be ” no mo tired.”

  44. @Former Darfur
    From what I can tell, it's Indians. They have few scruples in aborting any fetus not of their caste and they need the money.

    From what I can tell, it’s Indians. They have few scruples in aborting any fetus not of their caste and they need the money.

    So the dots are doing what the feathers did centuries ago– massacring our little ones.

  45. Single payer, for all its problems, is preferable to ObamaDontCare. It’s just that blacks are defensive almost to a cult like mentality about Baraq Obama, for tribal reasons. My axiom is that if Obama proposed an EPA regulation about crabgrass in Montana, and Republicans opposed it, blacks would presume that their opposition is motivated by racial animus. Even though the Montana crabgrass is in a part of Montana where no black people have ever been.

  46. @Thomas
    A 5'9" college QB? Best info I've gotten is that Ruboy might've showed up for a team picture one season at a non-NCAA program in Missouri, and may taken money from other players for "supplements" (i.e., steroids) he'd pick up on trips home to Miami (which he never ponied up).

    http://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/According-to-Marco-Rubios-ex-teammate-43948991

    Guessing this is one more unusual experience Ruboy was having in what looks like a "long weekend" for the budding hombre just after high school between 1989-1990. Would have served to check off a box for him for football-crazy Republicans and Floridians, at least.

    I find the Rubio story to be more and more curiouser the deeper you look. Here is what his current senate.gov site as Senator says:

    “In 1971, Marco was born in Miami to Cuban-born parents who came to America following Fidel Castro’s takeover.”

    Even Rubio has gone out of the way to correct that misstatement. I saw an interview of him about a week ago in which the interviewer misstated the date of his parents’ arrival in the U.S., and Rubio instantly corrected him (her?) by pointing out that his parents had arrived here years before Castro took over in 1959. (That discrepancy came to light about a year or so ago, because that’s when I first became aware of it. That was a result of good newspaper work, as I recall.) I’m just surprised that he or his staff hasn’t gotten around to correcting his official website.

    Further on, the same website contains this statement:

    “Rubio attended South Miami Senior High School, graduating in 1989. He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before transferring to Santa Fe Community College and then graduating in 1993 with a bachelor of science from the University of Florida.”

    Two things I find curious about that statement. First, there is nothing about his playing QB in high school, which should have marked him as a star athlete to justify a scholarship even to a small college. Secondly, there is a specific reference to a “football scholarship” to Tarkio College, which we now have reason to believe was non-existent. Why the different treatment? One possible explanation is that Tarkio College went bankrupt at the conclusion of the year when Rubio attended on his “football scholarship,” so there might be a hard time finding records to prove or disprove his claim. On the other hand, his high school still exists, and notably Wikipedia’s site does not list Rubio as one of its notable alumni. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Miami_High_School#Football It seems an enterprising reporter might earn a name for himself if he investigated this matter and exploded the myth perpetuated by Rubio that he was a star QB in high school. I have tried unsuccessfully to search the archives of the Miami Herald for articles dealing with the 1988 football season, and have turned up empty handed. Incidentally, one possible lead is the following from Wikipedia: ” Basketball[edit]
    Jose Fernandez, Class of 1989 – head coach of the University of South Florida women’s basketball team” Class of 1989 happens to be the same class as Marco Rubio. I would imagine he could tell you a lot about Rubio’s high school career as a star QB, if he were willing to talk.

    BTW here’s a picture of Rubio in his high school football uniform. https://www.google.com/search?q=marco+rubio+high+school+football&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=612&tbm=isch&imgil=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%253BTxFCR4JV3idQJM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fdailysignal.com%25252F2015%25252F04%25252F13%25252F9-surprising-words-that-describe-marco-rubio%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%252CTxFCR4JV3idQJM%252C_&usg=__tuuAZ0C9opRW2b-f9Eljsd9DP6U%3D&dpr=1.25&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZON3JrLAhUFFR4KHUwLCKsQyjcILg&ei=8ArTVralAYWqeMyWoNgK#imgrc=jGBqlYABz2qonM%3A
    He looks like a little kid to me. And “46” as the number for a QB? Seems a bit high to me.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I just came across this article in the "Miami New Times" from July 2010, when Rubio was running for the U.S. Senate, which contained these passages:

    "On a sweltering Friday in September 1988, the South Miami High Cobras team bus trundled down Bird Road toward Tamiami Park. Not only were the football players on their way to face rival Coral Gables, but also they were hustling to reach the stadium for a scheduled 3 p.m. kickoff. Several days before, wannabe gangs connected to the schools had clashed at a concert, leaving two kids with gunshot wounds and 20 others hurt. Administrators were worried. Stern-faced cops lined the gridiron.

    When Octavio Matamoros, a bulky sophomore offensive lineman, saw his teammates become confused before the big game, he says they turned to an undersize senior cornerback wearing number 46. "Marco Rubio was like Tom Brady, characterwise," Matamoros says. "You could always tell he understood the game from an intellectual standpoint even if he wasn't the fastest guy or the biggest guy out there."

    Indeed, young Marco was a five-foot-nine-inch, 170-pound kid with a skinny neck and neatly parted Alex P. Keaton hair. But what he lacked in size and stature he made up for with smarts, fearlessness, and aggression. "He pushes himself to the limit," says his older brother, Mario, who starred as a quarterback at South Miami. "He just does not stop."

    In front of fewer than 100 fans — and a squadron of police officers — Marco and the rest of the defense held Coral Gables to minus-34 rushing yards. The Cobras cruised to a 35-7 beatdown.

    "You had to be a tough kid to play on that defense," says Sam Miller, the coach.
    * * *
    The family returned to South Florida in 1985, when Marco was 14 years old, in time for him to attend South Miami High. By his junior year, in 1987, he had made the varsity football team.

    Yearbook photos show he was one of the squad's smallest players. His name never made it into any Miami Herald stories about the Cobras, who went 10 and 1 his junior year before losing in the playoffs, and then finished a disappointing 6 and 4 his senior season. "He was always smiling," says Kelsey Toomer, one of the team's quarterbacks. "He was one of those positive influences at practice."

    "He wasn't a vocal leader," adds Joe Toomer, Kelsey's brother, who started at cornerback, "but guys did look up to him because he worked hard."

    Still, Rubio showed enough talent to earn a scholarship to Tarkio College, a tiny school in northwest Missouri, where he played for one season. In 1992, the school closed after going into bankruptcy, so Rubio transferred to a junior college and then the University of Florida. He graduated in 1993 and then earned a law degree from the University of Miami." http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/marco-rubio-tea-party-pretty-boy-6379200

    Cornerback, quarterback. Those two seem similar, but football terminology has always been difficult for me. Which one throws the god damned ball?
  47. @tbraton
    I find the Rubio story to be more and more curiouser the deeper you look. Here is what his current senate.gov site as Senator says:

    "In 1971, Marco was born in Miami to Cuban-born parents who came to America following Fidel Castro's takeover."

    Even Rubio has gone out of the way to correct that misstatement. I saw an interview of him about a week ago in which the interviewer misstated the date of his parents' arrival in the U.S., and Rubio instantly corrected him (her?) by pointing out that his parents had arrived here years before Castro took over in 1959. (That discrepancy came to light about a year or so ago, because that's when I first became aware of it. That was a result of good newspaper work, as I recall.) I'm just surprised that he or his staff hasn't gotten around to correcting his official website.

    Further on, the same website contains this statement:

    "Rubio attended South Miami Senior High School, graduating in 1989. He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before transferring to Santa Fe Community College and then graduating in 1993 with a bachelor of science from the University of Florida."

    Two things I find curious about that statement. First, there is nothing about his playing QB in high school, which should have marked him as a star athlete to justify a scholarship even to a small college. Secondly, there is a specific reference to a "football scholarship" to Tarkio College, which we now have reason to believe was non-existent. Why the different treatment? One possible explanation is that Tarkio College went bankrupt at the conclusion of the year when Rubio attended on his "football scholarship," so there might be a hard time finding records to prove or disprove his claim. On the other hand, his high school still exists, and notably Wikipedia's site does not list Rubio as one of its notable alumni. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Miami_High_School#Football It seems an enterprising reporter might earn a name for himself if he investigated this matter and exploded the myth perpetuated by Rubio that he was a star QB in high school. I have tried unsuccessfully to search the archives of the Miami Herald for articles dealing with the 1988 football season, and have turned up empty handed. Incidentally, one possible lead is the following from Wikipedia: " Basketball[edit]
    Jose Fernandez, Class of 1989 - head coach of the University of South Florida women's basketball team" Class of 1989 happens to be the same class as Marco Rubio. I would imagine he could tell you a lot about Rubio's high school career as a star QB, if he were willing to talk.

    BTW here's a picture of Rubio in his high school football uniform. https://www.google.com/search?q=marco+rubio+high+school+football&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=612&tbm=isch&imgil=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%253BTxFCR4JV3idQJM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fdailysignal.com%25252F2015%25252F04%25252F13%25252F9-surprising-words-that-describe-marco-rubio%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=jGBqlYABz2qonM%253A%252CTxFCR4JV3idQJM%252C_&usg=__tuuAZ0C9opRW2b-f9Eljsd9DP6U%3D&dpr=1.25&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZON3JrLAhUFFR4KHUwLCKsQyjcILg&ei=8ArTVralAYWqeMyWoNgK#imgrc=jGBqlYABz2qonM%3A
    He looks like a little kid to me. And "46" as the number for a QB? Seems a bit high to me.

    I just came across this article in the “Miami New Times” from July 2010, when Rubio was running for the U.S. Senate, which contained these passages:

    “On a sweltering Friday in September 1988, the South Miami High Cobras team bus trundled down Bird Road toward Tamiami Park. Not only were the football players on their way to face rival Coral Gables, but also they were hustling to reach the stadium for a scheduled 3 p.m. kickoff. Several days before, wannabe gangs connected to the schools had clashed at a concert, leaving two kids with gunshot wounds and 20 others hurt. Administrators were worried. Stern-faced cops lined the gridiron.

    When Octavio Matamoros, a bulky sophomore offensive lineman, saw his teammates become confused before the big game, he says they turned to an undersize senior cornerback wearing number 46. “Marco Rubio was like Tom Brady, characterwise,” Matamoros says. “You could always tell he understood the game from an intellectual standpoint even if he wasn’t the fastest guy or the biggest guy out there.”

    Indeed, young Marco was a five-foot-nine-inch, 170-pound kid with a skinny neck and neatly parted Alex P. Keaton hair. But what he lacked in size and stature he made up for with smarts, fearlessness, and aggression. “He pushes himself to the limit,” says his older brother, Mario, who starred as a quarterback at South Miami. “He just does not stop.”

    In front of fewer than 100 fans — and a squadron of police officers — Marco and the rest of the defense held Coral Gables to minus-34 rushing yards. The Cobras cruised to a 35-7 beatdown.

    “You had to be a tough kid to play on that defense,” says Sam Miller, the coach.
    * * *
    The family returned to South Florida in 1985, when Marco was 14 years old, in time for him to attend South Miami High. By his junior year, in 1987, he had made the varsity football team.

    Yearbook photos show he was one of the squad’s smallest players. His name never made it into any Miami Herald stories about the Cobras, who went 10 and 1 his junior year before losing in the playoffs, and then finished a disappointing 6 and 4 his senior season. “He was always smiling,” says Kelsey Toomer, one of the team’s quarterbacks. “He was one of those positive influences at practice.”

    “He wasn’t a vocal leader,” adds Joe Toomer, Kelsey’s brother, who started at cornerback, “but guys did look up to him because he worked hard.”

    Still, Rubio showed enough talent to earn a scholarship to Tarkio College, a tiny school in northwest Missouri, where he played for one season. In 1992, the school closed after going into bankruptcy, so Rubio transferred to a junior college and then the University of Florida. He graduated in 1993 and then earned a law degree from the University of Miami.” http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/marco-rubio-tea-party-pretty-boy-6379200

    Cornerback, quarterback. Those two seem similar, but football terminology has always been difficult for me. Which one throws the god damned ball?

  48. @Prof. Woland
    The whole point of single payer is to keep it simple and efficient. That means there are not a lot of AA or government sinecures for the black 'elites' which is what they really crave. They could work as nurses and orderlies but that just wouldn't be cool baby.

    Single payer would cut insurance companies out of some or all of the health care business, and would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies. None of the people likely to be hurt are heavily black–probably they’re skewed the other way.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Single payer would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies
     
    How thrifty has single-payer military contracting been?
    , @Prof. Woland
    Right, but what I am saying is that the black "elite" are not people who go to school on AA scholarships and then go mainstream and compete head to head with everybody and achieve success. The black elite are people who get AA positions within various bureaucracies (insurance companies, hospitals, public agencies overseeing medicine, etc.) and live off the fat of the land. Single payer does not offer much to them even if it helps people in the bottom quintile who don't have money to pay for medical premiums and are ok with bottom quintile care.
  49. @TangoMan

    OT – D.C. policewoman killed first day on the job.

    If by DC you mean a town 2 counties over. Woodbridge isn’t even suburban DC.

    On a related note, MSNBC canned Melissa Harris Perry.

  50. This is about as close to a controlled experiment as you’ll ever get in social science. Obama in’08, Sanders in ’16: similar politics between them, same opponent. The control variable: race; being black (or black enough) got Obama 80% of the black vote!

  51. @NOTA
    Single payer would cut insurance companies out of some or all of the health care business, and would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies. None of the people likely to be hurt are heavily black--probably they're skewed the other way.

    Single payer would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies

    How thrifty has single-payer military contracting been?

  52. The main thrust of Bernie 2016:

    – Political system is corrupt, the wealthy elite buy politicians and elections (especially state / local), if you want to live in an actual democracy you have to get money out of politics
    – Economic system is rigged, trickle-down Reaganomics is fantasy that allows senior execs to skim their ballooning salaries off the top of the working class, we need protectionist trade policies, regulation for risky industries, and to actually tax the wealthy

    Everything else is incidental or carrot-on-a-stick because ordinary people are too stupid to understand why abstract things like progressive taxation helps them, yet you need their votes. Calling his platform “free stuff” is about as low-information as South Carolina I’m afraid.

  53. @i am the walrus
    Jews can't get elected to national office in the Democratic Party nor coach NBA teams. Wonder why?

    Jews can’t…coach NBA teams

    David Blatt FTW!

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    Jack D, my wife and two youngest daughters, one of whom supports Sanders, didn't know he was Jewish. All well educated and adults. The media doesn't push that .

    Not surprised. Despite my stereotypically Jewish looks and family name (not my handle here, haha) I’m surprised to hear now and then, from reasonably bright people, that they didn’t realize I was Jewish. As America gets more “diverse”, it’ll only get worse (or better? dunno).

    And, not to beat up on anyone, iSteve commenter “Reg Caesar” (one of the funniest and insightful people here) told us a few posts back why “Rosenthal” is an unlikely Jewish family name. Steve himself, for all his keen interest in us, has pretty weak Jewdar. So does Unz, who really embarrassed himself when he counted Jewish names for his “major” (to use his term) piece about Ivy League admissions.

    So I’m chalking up Bernie’s South Carolina mauling to non-religious factors–pretty much the ones Steve identified.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    IJ, Thank you. My paternal grandmother's brother was a partner in a famous men's clothing company in the Bronx. He found it necessary to change his name to a "Jewish" sounding name to succeed in a Jewish dominated trade in NYC. He also learned to speak Yiddish, a nice touch. We called him Jewish Uncle Henry. Sanders is not very Jewish sounding, but neither is Stone (Stein) or Gilbert, Rosenthal is.
    , @reiner Tor
    A reasonably intelligent guy (Hungarian, but working in Western Europe as a highly paid professional) today was surprised to learn (from me) that Mark Zuckerberg was Jewish.
  55. How do people not know Sanders is Jewish? He sounds like a Jewish New Yorker, not just a New Yorker but a Jewish one. Another tip is his last name, if it’s not obviously ethnic then my guess is usually white-washed Jew – e.g., Green.

    It could be that we’re more diverse and more ethnically mixed, but I think it’s also that Jewish actors are so omnipresent on TV and in movies that they’ve come to represent the typical generic white American in our mental frame of reference.

    As for Blacks, I think their Jewdar is pretty good.

  56. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rifleman

    Similar to the way that establishment conservatives see criticism of the invasion of Iraq as no different from an attack on conservatism itself.
     
    Or even more true as an attack on GW Bush himself.

    Many White Republicans are emotionally bonded to GW Bush not unlike how black Democrats are emotionally bonded to Obama.

    You’re trolling. You make an uninformed comparison of the (mostly depleted) white Rep attachment to the 2nd Bush to black Obamamania, two fads founded on opposite emotions. If anything, it was traditional anti-media solidarity — now a key force in Trump’s rise — that redounded to George W. on a personal level, not going further into defense of his policy collapse after the 2006 election. The final year it was safe for even Grover Norquist to publicly bash W. (in fact with the most venerable “anti-Bush” politician short of Jacques Chirac on the top of the ticket, probably integral to the game plan).

    Junior is receding to the low level of regard the base had for his father circa 1994. This is why Trump’s heretically blaming 9/11 on the W Admin’s negligence didn’t cost him, despite the hysterical idiotic teeth-gnashing of Bret Stephens, Ace of Spades, and tag-along talk-radio machers who predicted a swift comeuppance real soon now. Moreover Junior’s erstwhile supporters have finally gotten weary of hearing about him too and, in the scheme, of defending him over any partisan point at all. The only people who can’t help themselves, eight years on, from continuously ranting about Bush are the same who viscerally hated him at the time.

  57. @George
    Trump may have siphoned off Sander's white vote. In other primaries that can't happen.

    Open primary:

    South Carolina holds an “open primary,” meaning any registered voter who didn’t participate in last week’s Republican primary may cast a ballot.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-carolina-democratic-primary/story?id=37238329

    “Trump may have siphoned off Sander’s white vote.”

    Sanders may have offended potential white voters by claiming that Trump’s white voters were racist – didn’t win him any blacks and lost him a lot of whites.

  58. @Prof. Woland
    The whole point of single payer is to keep it simple and efficient. That means there are not a lot of AA or government sinecures for the black 'elites' which is what they really crave. They could work as nurses and orderlies but that just wouldn't be cool baby.

    The whole point of single payer is to keep it simple and efficient.

    Thanks for citing the Socialist conceit. There are many places that embrace that conceit. Why should we?

  59. @International Jew
    Not surprised. Despite my stereotypically Jewish looks and family name (not my handle here, haha) I'm surprised to hear now and then, from reasonably bright people, that they didn't realize I was Jewish. As America gets more "diverse", it'll only get worse (or better? dunno).

    And, not to beat up on anyone, iSteve commenter "Reg Caesar" (one of the funniest and insightful people here) told us a few posts back why "Rosenthal" is an unlikely Jewish family name. Steve himself, for all his keen interest in us, has pretty weak Jewdar. So does Unz, who really embarrassed himself when he counted Jewish names for his "major" (to use his term) piece about Ivy League admissions.

    So I'm chalking up Bernie's South Carolina mauling to non-religious factors--pretty much the ones Steve identified.

    IJ, Thank you. My paternal grandmother’s brother was a partner in a famous men’s clothing company in the Bronx. He found it necessary to change his name to a “Jewish” sounding name to succeed in a Jewish dominated trade in NYC. He also learned to speak Yiddish, a nice touch. We called him Jewish Uncle Henry. Sanders is not very Jewish sounding, but neither is Stone (Stein) or Gilbert, Rosenthal is.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    That's funny, I've never heard of it happening before. I suppose he blew his chances of membership of those famous WASP country clubs we hear so much about.
  60. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Now that the Democratic Party has clearly elected to be the Black People’s Party, how will they hold their coalition of the fringes together.

    I doubt that Hispanics will be happy with that, for example.

    Probably doesn’t matter. Looks like white people have found someone worth voting for this year.

  61. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Also, will the Democratic party fracture along racial lines.

    It seems you cannot be both the Black Peoples Party and the Mestizo Peoples Party.

  62. @Buffalo Joe
    IJ, Thank you. My paternal grandmother's brother was a partner in a famous men's clothing company in the Bronx. He found it necessary to change his name to a "Jewish" sounding name to succeed in a Jewish dominated trade in NYC. He also learned to speak Yiddish, a nice touch. We called him Jewish Uncle Henry. Sanders is not very Jewish sounding, but neither is Stone (Stein) or Gilbert, Rosenthal is.

    That’s funny, I’ve never heard of it happening before. I suppose he blew his chances of membership of those famous WASP country clubs we hear so much about.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rob McX, Company still exists except with no ties to the original three partners...Triple G, all in cursive form. There was a famous golfer, whose name escapes me who was Italian American, I think his father was a grounds keeper. Help here please.
  63. @International Jew
    Not surprised. Despite my stereotypically Jewish looks and family name (not my handle here, haha) I'm surprised to hear now and then, from reasonably bright people, that they didn't realize I was Jewish. As America gets more "diverse", it'll only get worse (or better? dunno).

    And, not to beat up on anyone, iSteve commenter "Reg Caesar" (one of the funniest and insightful people here) told us a few posts back why "Rosenthal" is an unlikely Jewish family name. Steve himself, for all his keen interest in us, has pretty weak Jewdar. So does Unz, who really embarrassed himself when he counted Jewish names for his "major" (to use his term) piece about Ivy League admissions.

    So I'm chalking up Bernie's South Carolina mauling to non-religious factors--pretty much the ones Steve identified.

    A reasonably intelligent guy (Hungarian, but working in Western Europe as a highly paid professional) today was surprised to learn (from me) that Mark Zuckerberg was Jewish.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    No pre-war Hungarian would have had any trouble with that one.
  64. @Rob McX
    That's funny, I've never heard of it happening before. I suppose he blew his chances of membership of those famous WASP country clubs we hear so much about.

    Rob McX, Company still exists except with no ties to the original three partners…Triple G, all in cursive form. There was a famous golfer, whose name escapes me who was Italian American, I think his father was a grounds keeper. Help here please.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Fred Couples?
  65. @reiner Tor
    A reasonably intelligent guy (Hungarian, but working in Western Europe as a highly paid professional) today was surprised to learn (from me) that Mark Zuckerberg was Jewish.

    No pre-war Hungarian would have had any trouble with that one.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Jews constitute roughly 1% of the population, way more in Budapest. I grew up in another city, and at high school (it's a type of academic high school similar to the German Gymnasium, also called gimnázium) I had a few Jewish classmates and acquaintances. I never realized they were Jewish (or half-Jewish) until much later. I was aware that some famous people (from TV celebrities to politicians) were Jewish, but I was surprised when later (as I became, so to say, Jew-aware) I realized there were many more. E.g. I read a lot about the murder of business tycoon (and criminal) János Fenyő without ever reading or realizing he was Jewish. It only recently occurred to me that one of the most important of his business rivals, Tamás Gyárfás, is also Jewish.

    I'm sure gentiles (especially nonreligious secularized gentiles) who don't think about Jews too much will rarely be able to tell if someone's a Jew or not.

  66. @Buffalo Joe
    Rob McX, Company still exists except with no ties to the original three partners...Triple G, all in cursive form. There was a famous golfer, whose name escapes me who was Italian American, I think his father was a grounds keeper. Help here please.

    Fred Couples?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rob McX, Found it, Eugenio Saraceni, Gene Sarazen
  67. @International Jew
    No pre-war Hungarian would have had any trouble with that one.

    Jews constitute roughly 1% of the population, way more in Budapest. I grew up in another city, and at high school (it’s a type of academic high school similar to the German Gymnasium, also called gimnázium) I had a few Jewish classmates and acquaintances. I never realized they were Jewish (or half-Jewish) until much later. I was aware that some famous people (from TV celebrities to politicians) were Jewish, but I was surprised when later (as I became, so to say, Jew-aware) I realized there were many more. E.g. I read a lot about the murder of business tycoon (and criminal) János Fenyő without ever reading or realizing he was Jewish. It only recently occurred to me that one of the most important of his business rivals, Tamás Gyárfás, is also Jewish.

    I’m sure gentiles (especially nonreligious secularized gentiles) who don’t think about Jews too much will rarely be able to tell if someone’s a Jew or not.

  68. @NOTA
    Single payer would cut insurance companies out of some or all of the health care business, and would lead to lower negotiated payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies. None of the people likely to be hurt are heavily black--probably they're skewed the other way.

    Right, but what I am saying is that the black “elite” are not people who go to school on AA scholarships and then go mainstream and compete head to head with everybody and achieve success. The black elite are people who get AA positions within various bureaucracies (insurance companies, hospitals, public agencies overseeing medicine, etc.) and live off the fat of the land. Single payer does not offer much to them even if it helps people in the bottom quintile who don’t have money to pay for medical premiums and are ok with bottom quintile care.

  69. @Rob McX
    Fred Couples?

    Rob McX, Found it, Eugenio Saraceni, Gene Sarazen

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