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As I’ve often mentioned, I don’t pay that much attention to all the Spy vs. Spy allegations in the papers because:

A) How should I know what really happened?

B) The basic rule of intelligence is to assess capabilities rather than intentions.

For example, if, say, the Russians have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so. Similarly, if the Israelis have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so.

This way of thinking is alien to the growing style of merely determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys and leaving it at that.

From the New York Times:

How Israel Caught Russian Hackers Scouring the World for U.S. Secrets
By NICOLE PERLROTH and SCOTT SHANE OCT. 10, 2017

It was a case of spies watching spies watching spies: Israeli intelligence officers looked on in real time as Russian government hackers searched computers around the world for the code names of American intelligence programs.

What gave the Russian hacking, detected more than two years ago, such global reach was its improvised search tool — antivirus software made by a Russian company, Kaspersky Lab, that is used by 400 million people worldwide, including by officials at some two dozen American government agencies.

The Israeli officials who had hacked into Kaspersky’s own network alerted the United States to the broad Russian intrusion, which has not been previously reported, leading to a decision just last month to order Kaspersky software removed from government computers. …

Like most security software, Kaspersky Lab’s products require access to everything stored on a computer in order to scour it for viruses or other dangers. Its popular antivirus software scans for signatures of malicious software, or malware, then removes or neuters it before sending a report back to Kaspersky. That procedure, routine for such software, provided a perfect tool for Russian intelligence to exploit to survey the contents of computers and retrieve whatever they found of interest.

… But the role of Israeli intelligence in uncovering that breach and the Russian hackers’ use of Kaspersky software in the broader search for American secrets have not previously been disclosed. …

For years, there has been speculation that Kaspersky’s popular antivirus software might provide a back door for Russian intelligence. …

That directive, which some officials thought was long overdue, was based, in large part, on intelligence gleaned from Israel’s 2014 intrusion into Kaspersky’s corporate systems. …

Kaspersky Lab did not discover the Israeli intrusion into its systems until mid-2015, when a Kaspersky engineer testing a new detection tool noticed unusual activity in the company’s network. The company investigated and detailed its findings in June 2015 in a public report.

The report did not name Israel as the intruder but noted that the breach bore striking similarities to a previous attack, known as “Duqu,” which researchers had attributed to the same nation states responsible for the infamous Stuxnet cyberweapon. Stuxnet was a joint American-Israeli operation that successfully infiltrated Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility, and used malicious code to destroy a fifth of Iran’s uranium centrifuges in 2010.

Kaspersky reported that its attackers had used the same algorithm and some of the same code as Duqu, but noted that in many ways it was even more sophisticated. So the company researchers named the new attack Duqu 2.0, noting that other victims of the attack were prime Israeli targets.

Among the targets Kaspersky uncovered were hotels and conference venues used for closed-door meetings by members of the United Nations Security Council to negotiate the terms of the Iran nuclear deal — negotiations from which Israel was excluded.

In other words, Israel was implanting backdoors in Russian software in order to spy on the negotiations with Iran that the United States was involved in.

Several targets were in the United States, which suggested that the operation was Israel’s alone, not a joint American-Israeli operation like Stuxnet.

Kaspersky’s researchers noted that attackers had managed to burrow deep into the company’s computers and evade detection for months. Investigators later discovered that the Israeli hackers had implanted multiple back doors into Kaspersky’s systems, employing sophisticated tools to steal passwords, take screenshots, and vacuum up emails and documents.

In its June 2015 report, Kaspersky noted that its attackers seemed primarily interested in the company’s work on nation-state attacks, particularly Kaspersky’s work on the “Equation Group” — its private industry term for the N.S.A. — and the “Regin” campaign, another industry term for a hacking unit inside the United Kingdom’s intelligence agency, the Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ. …

It is not clear whether, or to what degree, Eugene V. Kaspersky, the founder of Kaspersky Lab, and other company employees have been complicit in the hacking using their products. …

But experts on Russia say that under President Vladimir V. Putin, a former K.G.B. officer, businesses asked for assistance by Russian spy agencies may feel they have no choice but to give it.

This is of course totally different from, say, Israeli companies that sell software to American telephone companies for tracking who calls whom. There is no way that those Israeli firms have anything to do with Israeli intelligence. And Israeli intelligence would never ever ask an Israeli software firm to let them know, say, who Senator Lindsey Graham calls.

Seriously …

The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting because of sizable flows of very high IQ individuals among these countries from 1973 onward, when the U.S. pushed through legislation to, in effect, begin stripping the Soviet Union of many of its smartest people via demanding Soviet Jews be allowed to emigrate.

For instance, my wife’s uncle, a USAF colonel, used to drop by East Berlin to quietly talk shop in a car in a dark sidestreet about aerospace metallurgy with vacationing Soviet Jewish defense scientists during their five year cooling off period before they were allowed to emigrate.

Of course, now that I think about it, the KGB likely salted Soviet loyalists among the emigres, so maybe he was a patsy in a KGB disinformation scheme to send the U.S. off on expensive wild goose hunts.

I’ve never seen much speculation on this idea that the Soviets/Russians would have excellent incentives to infiltrate their own Jewish loyalists among the post-1973 emigres.

We’ve been trained to assume that no Jewish person could possibly be loyal to their native country because the Russians were so hatefully anti-Semitic that all Jews must be Russophobes.

Of course, in reality, Moscow in the 1990s turned heavily to American and semi-American Jews for strategic advice, like Larry Summers, Jeffrey Sachs, Stanley Fischer, and Andrei Shleifer, raising questions about the Narrative of Russian anti-Semitism. Similarly, in the 21st Century, Putin maintains cordial relations with more conservative Jews and with Israel.

Or, even more speculatively, maybe the sudden Israeli explosion into becoming an exporter of software for controlling telecommunications in America was actually in part a KGB effort to infiltrate America with Israeli software that included backdoors not just back to Israel but perhaps to Russia as well?

Back in 2001, Fox reporter Carl Cameron ran a four part series on Israeli spying in the United States that was quickly spiked and deleted from the network’s archives.

Beyond the usual reasons, perhaps the American deep state had patriotic reasons for objecting to Cameron drawing attention to Israeli assets in the U.S. Perhaps the U.S. considered them compromised not just by Israeli intelligence, but by Russian intelligence as well, and was using them to feed disinformation to Moscow?

Somebody in the New York Times’ comments alleges:

“I do know that Israel, which is the source of the claim has good reason to want to hamstring Kaspersky, which is the only anti-virus system that has successfully detected the US/Israel Stuxnet virus that was aimed originally at destroying Iranian nuclear refinement plants. There is a variant of Stuxnet called Duqu 2.0, which Israel has been using to spy on UN Security Council meetings and official government computer sites in a number of countries, including Israeli hacking into US intelligence. In 2015, Israel tried to hack into Kaspersky Labs with Duqu to see how their software works, but Kaspersky’s anti-virus caught the break-in attempts (Kaspersky is also the only anti-virus s/w that can detect the other US/Israel Stuxnet-derived virus, Flame). Right after being caught trying to break into Kaspersky, Israel reported to the US that Kaspersky was being used to break into our own computers. So, is Kaspersky a Russian backdoor into US computers running it, or is Israel discrediting Kaspersky because it is the only anti-virus s/w that can detect Israeli use of Duqu to spy on other countries, including the US?”

Who knows? It’s all a wilderness of mirrors.

 
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  1. So is McAfee CIA? I hate that program. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the CNN of software.

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    Anyone know about the free Windows security?
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  2. George says:

    Is it possible this is a slander to discredit a Russian industry leader? I noticed the press coverage does not ask Kaspersky to respond. Kaspersky is offering responding on their twitter account.

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  3. Brabantian says: • Website

    Indeed, as iSteve says, “The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting …” It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton’s fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA … and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global ‘Big Power Conflict’ has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire ‘Cold War’ was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites … Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be ‘The Best Enemy Money Can Buy’, as Sutton wrote … Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel’s Mossad, full of ‘Jewish socialists’, was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA … whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao’s China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing’s government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with ‘Putin’s Rabbi’ of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is – quite seriously – Jewish journalism from the Jewish ‘Tablet’ magazine the other day

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew billionaire who pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Adelson pushes this on the United States, not on Israel.
    , @guest
    I read Sutton's Wall Street and... (Hitler, the Bolsheviks, FDR) series of books. Hardly needs to be said that he's been exiled to the "conspiracy theory" section, but he's just as plausible as the conventional view of the New Deal, Nazis and communist revolution, not to mention the Cold War. Because the official Narrative obviously makes no sense.
    , @Patrick Harris
    John Podhoretz is in a self-reported "horrified rage" over that Tablet piece. It's Reprllent!
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    How does George Soros fit into your narrative?
    , @oddsbodkins
    Doesn't this just boil down to the usual difficulty of distinguishing between conspiracy and incompetence? Incompetence in guarding against industrial espionage, in this case. And of course there were lots of wealthy international businessmen who would lobby the government to make sure export controls didn't impede their profits.
    , @Anonym
    Interesting theory. I guess all those millions Stalin killed were just an elaborate cover story to hide Stalin's true teddy bear nature.

    https://youtu.be/BDFeH_NiFXk

    Btw apropos:

    https://youtu.be/pwT9G6t-SKI
    , @Neoconned
    WLike a conspiracy theory thats a very interesting observation.

    I had never heard of Antony before but it seems like a lotta smart & famous ppl in the very least read his shit & agreed w it.

    Without having read any of his material and just that review I'd say the dude at the very least has "noticed" quite a bit he shouldn't have....
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  4. consistency is racist and anti-semitic. so is logic.

    white male gentiles are satan.

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  5. It seems really stupid to put Kaspersky on government computers.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It wasn't -- NSA allegedly let a guy just take his work home with him, on a regular basis. Compare Russians getting into the Pentagon by simply betting that law school graduate bureaucrats would not appreciate the difference between nipr and sipr. Babbling about magical phantom Russian hackers when your password is passw0rd is the legacy of these "fact-based" pro-science atheist-activist public education advocates.
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  6. Everybody is spying on everybody. Merkel was complaining when the American Empire was spying on her. Germany was spying on Hillary Clinton. I have no doubt the Israelis are spying not only on the United States, but different factions within Israel are spying on each other. Would it surprise anyone to find out the US Army was spying on the US Navy?

    This is where the Alt-Right must be serious. The leaders of the Alt-Right must proclaim that they will be the new ruling class and they must have policies on command and control issues that are solid. Nations and ruling classes are sneaky by necessity.

    I have no doubt that Obama authorized the electronic interception of information coming from and to the Trump campaign and any other elements connected with Trump. Hillary Clinton went after her computer with a hammer and a baseball bat to conceal something. Hillary Clinton went caveman to conceal her shady doings.

    This Tweet From 2014 seems topical:

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  7. @Simon in London
    So is McAfee CIA? I hate that program. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CNN of software.

    Anyone know about the free Windows security?

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials are probably your best bet for AV/spyware. MS has the ability to do it better than anyone else at this point.
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  8. @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew billionaire who pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Adelson pushes this on the United States, not on Israel.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    And who also thinks we should pre-emptively nuke Iran, for added kicks and giggles.

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

    Just a reminder: this is a guy who has billions of dollars worth of influence in GOP politics.

    , @Karl
    8 Charles Pewitt > Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew


    I don't know if he's good or bad, but I know that even after being married for forever to a girl from Haifa, he still can't speak Hebrew
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  9. Of course Israel spies on the US (remember Jonathan Pollard?), but not necessarily in this particular case.

    Could be they were spying on the Russians and fortuitously caught them spying on the USA.

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    Could be. Just as it could be that the Israelis were spying on both the US and Russia, or that Israel was spying on the US in collusion with Russia.

    Trusting the Israelis is like trusting the Saudis, or the English. Or the Chinese.
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  10. Lugash says:
    @Robert Hume
    Anyone know about the free Windows security?

    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials are probably your best bet for AV/spyware. MS has the ability to do it better than anyone else at this point.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Better ability to do what? Spying on behalf of the US Government. It's an open secret Microsoft did exactly this by leaving a backdoor in Windows. Why would Windows Defender be safer than Kaspersky?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Trouble is, these days, you don't know who's done what, although I would suggest that using whatever software, say, Rosneft execs or the Central Committee of China have on their desktops, on the grounds that inshallah they've checked it out pretty thoroughly.

    Alternatively, you could leave something like Wireshark (or whatever its current incarnation is) permanently running on your machine, and write something which checks out every IP address your machine has talked with. But how can you tell Wireshark's not been compromised? Didn't someone put malware into CCleaner updates recently?

    It's a hall of mirrors. As le Carre (who ought to know) says in the voice of George Smiley

    "Today, all I know is that I have learned to interpret the whole of life in terms of conspiracy. That is the sword I have lived by, and as I look round me now I see it is the sword I shall die by as well. These people terrify me, but I am one of them. If they stab me in the back, then at least that is the judgement of my peers."
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  11. J.Ross says: • Website

    I’m just a stupid goy so maybe someone can help me out, but have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander’s head? Has Russia ever nearly destroyed a US Navy intelligence vessel and then devoted money, time and energy to preventing Americans from talking about it? Has any Russian leader ever spoken before a joint session of Congress to almost continuous applause and wierdly choreographed standing? Did Russian intellectuals and government officials trick us into invading Iraq? Did a Russian steal our big naval plan for dealing with China, then sell that entire plan directly to China, then (eventually) go completely free, after his insufferable wife harangued us? Was it Russia or her sons that changed our divorce and immigration laws? Was it Russian art students dancing around when they were supposed to be documenting the event? Has Putin ever said on record not to worry about the United States because the US is a thing he can control very easily?

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    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    What event are you referencing?

    "...have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander’s head?"
    , @STUXNET
    Yep - And the nation of Israel is content to use divide & conquer to achieve it goals. We've seen it before.

    The 'most liked' comment is of course the most idiotic comment at the NY Times:
    Clark Smallville 12 hours ago
    Israel continues to be the world leader in cybersecurity, and an invaluable US ally. Alerting the US to the Russian breach of our systems using Kasperky saved countless American dollars and American lives.
    83Recommend


    below is a comment that received 3 likes and makes a lot more connections:
    "I do know that Israel, which is the source of the claim has good reason to want to hamstring Kaspersky, which is the only anti-virus system that has successfully detected the US/Israel Stuxnet virus that was aimed originally at destroying Iranian nuclear refinement plants. There is a variant of Stuxnet called Duqu 2.0, which Israel has been using to spy on UN Security Council meetings and official government computer sites in a number of countries, including Israeli hacking into US intelligence. In 2015, Israel tried to hack into Kaspersky Labs with Duqu to see how their software works, but Kaspersky's anti-virus caught the break-in attempts (Kaspersky is also the only anti-virus s/w that can detect the other US/Israel Stuxnet-derived virus, Flame). Right after being caught trying to break into Kaspersky, Israel reported to the US that Kaspersky was being used to break into our own computers. So, is Kaspersky a Russian backdoor into US computers running it, or is Israel discrediting Kaspersky because it is the only anti-virus s/w that can detect Israeli use of Duqu to spy on other countries, including the US?"
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  12. Whiskey says: • Website

    Just go Linux. It’s better.

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    Linux is hacked all the time.
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  13. guest says:
    @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    I read Sutton’s Wall Street and… (Hitler, the Bolsheviks, FDR) series of books. Hardly needs to be said that he’s been exiled to the “conspiracy theory” section, but he’s just as plausible as the conventional view of the New Deal, Nazis and communist revolution, not to mention the Cold War. Because the official Narrative obviously makes no sense.

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  14. polskijoe says:

    The problem is that some Jews are almost like “shapeshifters” lol.

    What I mean is that they are Jews, Israelis, white, Russian, American, whatever they want to be to suit their interests. They also have their own lodges, and so on.

    Israel was singled out in 2007 as a top espionage threat against the U.S. government, including its intelligence services, in a newly published National Security Agency (NSA) document obtained by fugitive leaker Edward Snowden, according to a news report Monday.

    In this new document, Israel was identified by the NSA as a security threat in several areas, including “the threat of development of weapons of mass destruction” and “delivery methods (particularly ballistic and nuclear-capable cruise missiles).” The NSA also flagged Israel’s “WMD and missile proliferation activities” and “cruise missiles” as threats.

    In a section of the document headed “Foreign Intelligence, Counterintelligence; Denial & Deception Activities: Countering Foreign Intelligence Threats,” Israel was listed as a leading perpetrator of “espionage/intelligence collection operations and manipulation/influence operations…against U.S. government, military, science & technology and Intelligence Community” organs.

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  15. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jean Ralphio
    It seems really stupid to put Kaspersky on government computers.

    It wasn’t — NSA allegedly let a guy just take his work home with him, on a regular basis. Compare Russians getting into the Pentagon by simply betting that law school graduate bureaucrats would not appreciate the difference between nipr and sipr. Babbling about magical phantom Russian hackers when your password is passw0rd is the legacy of these “fact-based” pro-science atheist-activist public education advocates.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Wow! You ran the table with that post. I salute you.
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  16. Does Israel spy on the US? Does the proverbial bear defecate in the wilderness? How else could the Israelis kerp our government on such a short leash?

    BTW, aside from the backdoors in most Intel and AMD architectures, do you think US-based security like Symantec, McAfee, PCMatic, Webroot, etc. are any less spy tools?

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Does the proverbial bear defecate in the wilderness?
     
    Of course. But how can we get that bear to eat the Pope?
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  17. ‘…Of course, now that I think about it, the KGB likely salted Soviet loyalists among the emigres…’

    Anybody in particular that you know on the right side of this page? Now that you think about it I mean.

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    Google the name Borris Krasny. Suffice to say the KGB liberally sprinkled the ranks of refuseniks with double agents, some of whom the Israelis turned. It's a story Steve would love. This reality, along with existence of Communist "tolkach" networks involving future Russian Israeil Gangsters, like Mogilevich continues to leave its mark in all three countries.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The illustration in the post reminded me of the 50 years old Soviet animation making fun of those spy games. Perhaps some here will enjoy it. With English subtitles:

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  19. @J.Ross
    I'm just a stupid goy so maybe someone can help me out, but have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander's head? Has Russia ever nearly destroyed a US Navy intelligence vessel and then devoted money, time and energy to preventing Americans from talking about it? Has any Russian leader ever spoken before a joint session of Congress to almost continuous applause and wierdly choreographed standing? Did Russian intellectuals and government officials trick us into invading Iraq? Did a Russian steal our big naval plan for dealing with China, then sell that entire plan directly to China, then (eventually) go completely free, after his insufferable wife harangued us? Was it Russia or her sons that changed our divorce and immigration laws? Was it Russian art students dancing around when they were supposed to be documenting the event? Has Putin ever said on record not to worry about the United States because the US is a thing he can control very easily?

    What event are you referencing?

    “…have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander’s head?”

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    Then-major Dan Gabriel (later of meme fame) describes it with names in his book Military Incompetence, which by the way is excellent anyway, and this would be during Reagan's poorly thought out foray into Lebanon.
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  20. Who knows? It’s all a wilderness of mirrors.

    This topic seems familiar.

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  21. dr kill says:

    I feel like the more these countries know about each other’s plans and capabilities the better.

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  22. kihowi says:

    I anybody should be scrutinized for spying/hacking/whatever, it’s China.

    They had an enormous financial interest in Trump losing, given what he was saying about them
    They have a history of large scale, shameless computer espionage
    They are an actual dictatorship
    They are USAs rival for world domination much more than Russia.

    So of course they have. They must have. It would be strange if they hadn’t. But has anybody heard the phrase “Chinese hacking” in…ohhhhh two years?

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    So of course they have. They must have. It would be strange if they hadn’t. But has anybody heard the phrase “Chinese hacking” in…ohhhhh two years?
     
    No, they have not, because it does not advance the "boot stomping on a human face" agenda. The Russians must be beside themselves trying to understand American stupidity.
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  23. Jake says:
    @Joe Magarac
    Of course Israel spies on the US (remember Jonathan Pollard?), but not necessarily in this particular case.

    Could be they were spying on the Russians and fortuitously caught them spying on the USA.

    Could be. Just as it could be that the Israelis were spying on both the US and Russia, or that Israel was spying on the US in collusion with Russia.

    Trusting the Israelis is like trusting the Saudis, or the English. Or the Chinese.

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  24. @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    John Podhoretz is in a self-reported “horrified rage” over that Tablet piece. It’s Reprllent!

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  25. @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    How does George Soros fit into your narrative?

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  26. @J.Ross
    It wasn't -- NSA allegedly let a guy just take his work home with him, on a regular basis. Compare Russians getting into the Pentagon by simply betting that law school graduate bureaucrats would not appreciate the difference between nipr and sipr. Babbling about magical phantom Russian hackers when your password is passw0rd is the legacy of these "fact-based" pro-science atheist-activist public education advocates.

    Wow! You ran the table with that post. I salute you.

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  27. @The Alarmist
    Does Israel spy on the US? Does the proverbial bear defecate in the wilderness? How else could the Israelis kerp our government on such a short leash?

    BTW, aside from the backdoors in most Intel and AMD architectures, do you think US-based security like Symantec, McAfee, PCMatic, Webroot, etc. are any less spy tools?

    Does the proverbial bear defecate in the wilderness?

    Of course. But how can we get that bear to eat the Pope?

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    Dip him in honey? The Pope, not the bear... that would just piss the bear off.
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  28. @kihowi
    I anybody should be scrutinized for spying/hacking/whatever, it's China.

    They had an enormous financial interest in Trump losing, given what he was saying about them
    They have a history of large scale, shameless computer espionage
    They are an actual dictatorship
    They are USAs rival for world domination much more than Russia.

    So of course they have. They must have. It would be strange if they hadn't. But has anybody heard the phrase "Chinese hacking" in...ohhhhh two years?

    So of course they have. They must have. It would be strange if they hadn’t. But has anybody heard the phrase “Chinese hacking” in…ohhhhh two years?

    No, they have not, because it does not advance the “boot stomping on a human face” agenda. The Russians must be beside themselves trying to understand American stupidity.

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  29. STUXNET says:
    @J.Ross
    I'm just a stupid goy so maybe someone can help me out, but have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander's head? Has Russia ever nearly destroyed a US Navy intelligence vessel and then devoted money, time and energy to preventing Americans from talking about it? Has any Russian leader ever spoken before a joint session of Congress to almost continuous applause and wierdly choreographed standing? Did Russian intellectuals and government officials trick us into invading Iraq? Did a Russian steal our big naval plan for dealing with China, then sell that entire plan directly to China, then (eventually) go completely free, after his insufferable wife harangued us? Was it Russia or her sons that changed our divorce and immigration laws? Was it Russian art students dancing around when they were supposed to be documenting the event? Has Putin ever said on record not to worry about the United States because the US is a thing he can control very easily?

    Yep – And the nation of Israel is content to use divide & conquer to achieve it goals. We’ve seen it before.

    The ‘most liked’ comment is of course the most idiotic comment at the NY Times:
    Clark Smallville 12 hours ago
    Israel continues to be the world leader in cybersecurity, and an invaluable US ally. Alerting the US to the Russian breach of our systems using Kasperky saved countless American dollars and American lives.
    83Recommend

    below is a comment that received 3 likes and makes a lot more connections:
    “I do know that Israel, which is the source of the claim has good reason to want to hamstring Kaspersky, which is the only anti-virus system that has successfully detected the US/Israel Stuxnet virus that was aimed originally at destroying Iranian nuclear refinement plants. There is a variant of Stuxnet called Duqu 2.0, which Israel has been using to spy on UN Security Council meetings and official government computer sites in a number of countries, including Israeli hacking into US intelligence. In 2015, Israel tried to hack into Kaspersky Labs with Duqu to see how their software works, but Kaspersky’s anti-virus caught the break-in attempts (Kaspersky is also the only anti-virus s/w that can detect the other US/Israel Stuxnet-derived virus, Flame). Right after being caught trying to break into Kaspersky, Israel reported to the US that Kaspersky was being used to break into our own computers. So, is Kaspersky a Russian backdoor into US computers running it, or is Israel discrediting Kaspersky because it is the only anti-virus s/w that can detect Israeli use of Duqu to spy on other countries, including the US?”

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    Yes Moon of Alabama had a good article on this. Israel has an interest in discrediting Kaspersky.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/everyone-hacked-everyone-hacked-everyone-spy-spin-fuels-anti-kaspersky-campaign.html#more

    I use Kaspersky for three reasons; first it is free from my bank, two they are the best and thirdly the Russian authorities have no leverage over me in comparison to the British or American spooks.
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  30. BB753 says:
    @Lugash
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials are probably your best bet for AV/spyware. MS has the ability to do it better than anyone else at this point.

    Better ability to do what? Spying on behalf of the US Government. It’s an open secret Microsoft did exactly this by leaving a backdoor in Windows. Why would Windows Defender be safer than Kaspersky?

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    I’m much more personally worried about financially motivated hackers than about the US government. If Microsoft does the best about the hackers then I would be satisfied.
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  31. Given all that’s been said here it must be assumed that any off-the-shelf ‘protection’ is useless against at least one government. It just depends on which government you feel better having your (largely unimportant) secrets with.

    And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in ‘America First’ you believe that your secrets are safest with… the Russian government?

    Huh?

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    They think (hope ?) , (dream ? ) that Putin hates Jews as they do. Its really just that simple.
    , @The Alarmist

    "And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in ‘America First’ you believe that your secrets are safest with… the Russian government?

    Huh?"
     
    Makes perfect sense: If you believe in America First, you are obviously one of those Alt-Right wingnuts that America needs to be protected from, lest the preservation of American values keeps us from joining our rightful place in the globalist world order as Brasil 2.0 or something like that.
    , @Anonym
    It ain't the Russian government trying to race replace us, although it may be echoes of USSR initiatives.
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  32. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    Given all that's been said here it must be assumed that any off-the-shelf 'protection' is useless against at least one government. It just depends on which government you feel better having your (largely unimportant) secrets with.

    And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in 'America First' you believe that your secrets are safest with... the Russian government?

    Huh?

    They think (hope ?) , (dream ? ) that Putin hates Jews as they do. Its really just that simple.

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  33. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Does the proverbial bear defecate in the wilderness?
     
    Of course. But how can we get that bear to eat the Pope?

    Dip him in honey? The Pope, not the bear… that would just piss the bear off.

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    Dip him in honey?
     
    I like it! Now, where can I get a big vat of honey, where the Pope will walk by?
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  34. Tiny Duck says:

    The antisemitism displayed here is nauseating

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    Why do you bother?
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  35. nebulafox says:

    Duh.

    There’s no such thing as an absolutely friendly foreign intelligence service. But generally speaking, one can trust the likes of the UK, Australia, Canada, or New Zealand-the other Five Eyes nations-to not do anything too horrible to the US.

    Israel is most definitely *not* that kind of ally. (See Jonathan Pollard, who should be rotting in jail right now.) AIPAC spends a great deal of money and time to hide this inconvenient fact and terrorize any potential dissenters in Congress into silence. Mossad intelligence operations against the US, particularly against American defense technology and intellectual property, are aggressive and often every bit as nasty as that emanating from Moscow or Beijing.

    As for the Russian angle, former Soviet migrants have brought a lot to Israel, including high horsepower STEM skills. However, the 1990s also brought mobsters. With Israel’s security services very understandably focused on more proximate threats, they’ve flourished and have a hand in everything from white collar financial crime to prostitution. And in Russia, the dividing line between the criminal underworld, the private sector, and the security services is never quite clear, so…

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    Read an article once tjat was from the 1990s. The FBI raided the ADL and found top secret FBI files in their offices w no surety as to how they got them.....
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  36. JW says:
    @Whiskey
    Just go Linux. It's better.

    Linux is hacked all the time.

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  37. nebulafox says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew billionaire who pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Adelson pushes this on the United States, not on Israel.

    And who also thinks we should pre-emptively nuke Iran, for added kicks and giggles.

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

    Just a reminder: this is a guy who has billions of dollars worth of influence in GOP politics.

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  38. @anony-mouse
    Given all that's been said here it must be assumed that any off-the-shelf 'protection' is useless against at least one government. It just depends on which government you feel better having your (largely unimportant) secrets with.

    And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in 'America First' you believe that your secrets are safest with... the Russian government?

    Huh?

    “And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in ‘America First’ you believe that your secrets are safest with… the Russian government?

    Huh?”

    Makes perfect sense: If you believe in America First, you are obviously one of those Alt-Right wingnuts that America needs to be protected from, lest the preservation of American values keeps us from joining our rightful place in the globalist world order as Brasil 2.0 or something like that.

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  39. whorefinder says: • Website

    Everyone who vote for Trump knows the “Russia hacked the election” stuff is bogus. Why? Simple: the places those folks get their news and analysis have already debunked it. (One thing not being spoken of in the “Fake News” attacks by the corporate media is how much of the alt-right news gets its trust over debunking official corporate media stories. It’s the debunking that sways people, and not so much the alt-right media’s own original stories—i.e. Alex Jones is more popular because he debunked every poll making Trump look bad, not because he talks about frogs being made gay by the government).

    What’s more, much of the non-corporate Left has said it’s nonsense too, and have debunked it as well: Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, The Young Turks, etc.

    The only people taking this seriously are the corporate Left and neocons, both of whom are trying to use this to hurt Trump’s credibility and drum up impeachment if possible. But those folks lost the election, and, in fact, got blown away for 18 months by Trump. I’m really not too worried about this triple-bank-shot-Russia connection stuff, because Trump has shown that withering media pressure hasn’t hurt him, and the plain facts are too Byzantine for most Americans to follow (not that there’s anything to follow).

    This is like Whitewater, but without the teeth. Sure, there was enough evidence B&H did something shady with S&L loans, but it was too boring, and too drawn out. What’s more B&H weathered the criticism, as they didn’t care.

    Contrast that to Nixon. Watergate was minor and Byzantine, but Nixon withered under the intense media scrutiny he was under as a result, and had some residual respect for the office to want to see the Presidency dragged through the mud in an impeachment hearing, even though he would have likely pulled through. His resignation was gold to the SJWs of his time—because a resignation, to them, is an admission of guilt.

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    I kinda hope the 'Corporate Left and Neocons' keep blabbering about nothing and let it run out of steam. It all is clearly starting to sound like horseshit. And when is Mueller going to find his smoking gun? Don't hold your breath...

    The new corporate Left/Neocon axis fear their globalist agenda is coming to an end - with a new found nationed-based nationalism that Trump represents and exploits. They fear this because their power & wealth is at stake.

    Chris Hedges in this October article below says the same impactful things that Alex Jones or Glen Greenwald says as well. He talks about the phoniness of identity politics and how NY Times is such a bag of wind in this phony era of media charlatans.

    The Elites “Have No Credibility Left"
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-elites-have-no-credibility-left/

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  40. @anony-mouse
    '...Of course, now that I think about it, the KGB likely salted Soviet loyalists among the emigres...'

    Anybody in particular that you know on the right side of this page? Now that you think about it I mean.

    Google the name Borris Krasny. Suffice to say the KGB liberally sprinkled the ranks of refuseniks with double agents, some of whom the Israelis turned. It’s a story Steve would love. This reality, along with existence of Communist “tolkach” networks involving future Russian Israeil Gangsters, like Mogilevich continues to leave its mark in all three countries.

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  41. Broski says:

    OT, I’ve long wondered why the utterly mediocre Jennifer Lawrence is a Hollywood star. She’s not that hot and can’t really act. Some speculation suggests “the Fappening” of several years ago, when all the stars’ nudes were leaked, was actually someone breaking into Harvey Weinstein’s IPhone and sharing his private collection. (Apple denied that its cloud had been compromised, which is what was widely speculated in the press as the source of the photos.)

    Wouldn’t it be delicious if all these sanctimonious starlets, who have lectured us endlessly about how bad Trump is and women’s rights and this and that, had actually sent all that material to Weinstein willingly to advance their careers?

    One can hope that this is what comes out.

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    Wouldn’t it be delicious if all these sanctimonious starlets, who have lectured us endlessly about how bad Trump is and women’s rights and this and that, had actually sent all that material to Weinstein willingly to advance their careers?

    One can hope that this is what comes out.
     
    I hope so too. It will be interesting to see whether Weinstein just takes his $100M to live on a yacht in the Mediterranean for the rest of his life, or he stays to fight back. If he does the latter, he may well have tons of juice to at least humiliate, if not implicate, a lot of people in Hollywood and in politics.

    I guess if he dies of a "heart attack" in the next few weeks we'll know the answer.
    , @Neoconned
    Interesting theory.

    I never got the Jen Lawrence thing either. She's not ugly but like Anne Hathaway shes really not that hot either....just kinda.....gawky looking...
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  42. J.Ross says: • Website
    @North Carolina Resident
    What event are you referencing?

    "...have Russian tanks ever overrun a US Marine camp, stopping only when a Marine captain climbed one and held a pistol at the commander’s head?"

    Then-major Dan Gabriel (later of meme fame) describes it with names in his book Military Incompetence, which by the way is excellent anyway, and this would be during Reagan’s poorly thought out foray into Lebanon.

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  43. The answer to the question in the title is “No,” at least according to the article. I’m not saying it’s an important question, and it doesn’t affect anything else you said, but you asked it, so I’m answering it.

    Among the targets Kaspersky uncovered were hotels and conference venues used for closed-door meetings by members of the United Nations Security Council to negotiate the terms of the Iran nuclear deal — negotiations from which Israel was excluded.

    In other words, Israel was implanting backdoors in Russian software in order to spy on the negotiations with Iran that the United States was involved in.

    No, that’s not what this paragraph says. Israel used Duqu to spy on Kaspersky and to spy on the negotiations. But it didn’t use Russian software to spy on the negotiation. The only connection is that Kaspersky caught Israel spying on the negotiation. (and that’s how it knew that Duqu was Israel)

    (There is an interpretation of the title question to which the answer is “Yes.” The KGB was using Kaspersky to hunt for NSA tools. Israel watched them do this, and thus got ahold of the same tools. But that’s more using Russians than using Russian tools.)

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  44. Twinkie says:

    B) The basic rule of intelligence is to assess capabilities rather than intentions.

    For example, if, say, the Russians have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so. Similarly, if the Israelis have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so.

    Um, no.

    We – the United States – absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).

    We are not very good, however, at HUMINT, which is vital if we are to assess correctly intentions (i.e. what is the North Korean regime leadership going to do with its x, y, z capabilities?).

    Unfortunately for us, correct estimation of intentions is much more actionable than knowing capabilities. Knowing capabilities just keeps you up at night worrying, but doesn’t generally allow for specific, directly actionable policies to address the said capabilities due to legal and practical constraints, unless we know what the other intends to do with those capabilities.

    Israelis are excellent at HUMINT. And they plan for the long-haul. There are probably very deeply masked sleeper operatives in their target countries (in very difficult ones) who will only be activated in cases of national emergency.

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    We – the United States – absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).
     
    Even so, occasionally there's the surprise when suddenly they realize that North Korea has been progressing faster with its missile program than previously thought, or when Russia suddenly sends missiles to Syria from Caspian frigates, and everybody is surprised Russia had such quantities of this kind of new missiles. (Though in the latter case the surprise might be a result of feigned ignorance and fear-mongering, whereas in the former case it might be a result of North Korea getting outside help, maybe from a Ukrainian missile manufacturer, and the US definitely detected the improvement in missile technologies years before the actual successful missile test. Anyway, probably even the SIGINT capabilities are not nearly omnipotent for detecting capabilities.)
    , @AndrewR
    You sound very knowledgeable about this stuff. I'm impressed!

    As to your last paragraph, how do you think that could play out? What would sleeper agents activating look like?
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  45. Moshe says:

    I could write a better comment but I don’t think this deserves one.

    It’s Sneaky Jews all the way down.

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  46. @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    Doesn’t this just boil down to the usual difficulty of distinguishing between conspiracy and incompetence? Incompetence in guarding against industrial espionage, in this case. And of course there were lots of wealthy international businessmen who would lobby the government to make sure export controls didn’t impede their profits.

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  47. Anonym says:
    @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    Interesting theory. I guess all those millions Stalin killed were just an elaborate cover story to hide Stalin’s true teddy bear nature.

    Btw apropos:

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    The movie "Death of Stalin" looks to be pretty amusing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ5dMYx2no
    , @guest
    Stalin's mass murder and the Cold War are two different things. You may have noticed we were allied with Stalin during WWII, and helped him enslave Eastern Europe, despite the fact that he had already done the bulk of his killing.

    It helps that he was not a teddy bear and had expansive imperial--if not world-conquering--ambitions. But that didn't matter much when he was invading Finland and Poland. Only after the war, when we appointed ourselves World Police and acted out on our guilty conscience for abetting his reign of terror.

    , @Samuel Skinner
    The people Stalin killed were Russians (and Ukrainians and other Soviet ethnicities). The American elite doesn't care about them in any interpretation (working together they are Stalin's issue, as enemies we intended to nuke'em).
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  48. Anonym says:
    @anony-mouse
    Given all that's been said here it must be assumed that any off-the-shelf 'protection' is useless against at least one government. It just depends on which government you feel better having your (largely unimportant) secrets with.

    And at Unz.com apparently if you believe in 'America First' you believe that your secrets are safest with... the Russian government?

    Huh?

    It ain’t the Russian government trying to race replace us, although it may be echoes of USSR initiatives.

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    It echoes alright.
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  49. anon says: • Disclaimer

    In 1955, Eisenhower proposed Open Skies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies#cite_ref-eisenhower_6-0

    The idea was that Russia and the US could make scheduled surveillance flights. It was turned down but reintroduced and implemented at the end of the Cold War. It’s still around. It seems like Russia wants to ‘upgrade’ to digital cameras and no one seems very agreeable. We have Google Earth, as well as all the spy satellites, so I can’t see it making much difference.

    Regardless …. sometimes not hiding things makes more sense than having massive collections of secrets. Prior to digital and before search engines, it was pretty effective to simply disclose everything in discovery, for example, by providing access to massive quantities of paper.

    Net/net, Wikileaks seems to have benefitted the US as much as exposed it.

    We are closer to ‘open everything’ then a clear hierarchy of state secrets.

    As I recall, Britain tried to keep their high tech textile processes secret. It worked for a while but not long. So it is still more of a matter of degree than a matter of kind.

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  50. Lurker says:
    @Anonym
    It ain't the Russian government trying to race replace us, although it may be echoes of USSR initiatives.

    It echoes alright.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    I set up the spike, didn't I. Nice.

    What I was actually referring to was this:

    https://youtu.be/QJ2fMeer5Mw
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  51. @Twinkie

    B) The basic rule of intelligence is to assess capabilities rather than intentions.

    For example, if, say, the Russians have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so. Similarly, if the Israelis have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so.
     
    Um, no.

    We - the United States - absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).

    We are not very good, however, at HUMINT, which is vital if we are to assess correctly intentions (i.e. what is the North Korean regime leadership going to do with its x, y, z capabilities?).

    Unfortunately for us, correct estimation of intentions is much more actionable than knowing capabilities. Knowing capabilities just keeps you up at night worrying, but doesn't generally allow for specific, directly actionable policies to address the said capabilities due to legal and practical constraints, unless we know what the other intends to do with those capabilities.

    Israelis are excellent at HUMINT. And they plan for the long-haul. There are probably very deeply masked sleeper operatives in their target countries (in very difficult ones) who will only be activated in cases of national emergency.

    We – the United States – absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).

    Even so, occasionally there’s the surprise when suddenly they realize that North Korea has been progressing faster with its missile program than previously thought, or when Russia suddenly sends missiles to Syria from Caspian frigates, and everybody is surprised Russia had such quantities of this kind of new missiles. (Though in the latter case the surprise might be a result of feigned ignorance and fear-mongering, whereas in the former case it might be a result of North Korea getting outside help, maybe from a Ukrainian missile manufacturer, and the US definitely detected the improvement in missile technologies years before the actual successful missile test. Anyway, probably even the SIGINT capabilities are not nearly omnipotent for detecting capabilities.)

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    Even so, occasionally there’s the surprise
     
    excellent /= perfect.
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  52. Neoconned says:
    @Brabantian
    Indeed, as iSteve says, "The U.S.-Russia-Israel triangle is particularly interesting ..." It is also a very, very old story. It is much more comprehensible if you can grok one key insight -

    One of the great neglected intellectual figures, is Antony Sutton (1925-2002), a British economist who was invited to the USA where he had a stellar academic career underway. But with Sutton's fearless truth-telling, he lost his positions at Stanford and UCLA ... and what he exposed is precisely that triangle, a half century ago.

    Sutton proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that global 'Big Power Conflict' has always been a sham & fraud since the early 20th century. In his economic research in the 1960s, Sutton discovered that the USA had been transferring technology to the Soviets all along since World War II, and that the entire 'Cold War' was a manipulated fraud bringing riches to both USA & Soviet elites ... Israel was a key point for the tech being transferred.

    At a very early stage, the USA & Stalin cut a deal, Stalin agreed to be 'The Best Enemy Money Can Buy', as Sutton wrote ... Tech was transferred to Moscow, Mossad to KGB (where Putin later became who he is), Russia agreed to be the decades-long boogeyman justifying trillions for the US military-industrial complex, and Russian elites got all the goodies that USA consumers enjoyed.

    The cover story is that Israel's Mossad, full of 'Jewish socialists', was viewed by Moscow as a back door to the USA ... whilst the USA viewed Mossad as a back door to Moscow. For an especially unknown twist, Jewish figures were prominent in Mao's China too, chaps with names like Israel Epstein & Sidney Shapiro quite close to Mao.

    Today we can see the same game Sutton described a half-century ago, fully clear in just one man: Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson, the 20th richest person in the world.
    - Sheldon Adelson owns the most dominant media in Israel, & has been the major backer of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu
    - Sheldon Adelson makes most of his billions in China, and as the gambling king of Macau he is fully a player linked to the highest echelons of Beijing's government
    - Sheldon Adelson is very close to the Russian billionaires who surround Vladimir Putin, Putin who consults regularly with 'Putin's Rabbi' of the Israeli-Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish religious organisation, which also involves Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka & son-in-law Jared Kushner
    - Sheldon Adelson is the top USA Republican Party king-maker of the United States, & the Republican-dominated US Congress, both House & Senate, are mostly beholden to Adelson & how he wants them to vote
    So we have Israel-USA-China-Russia, Sheldon Adelson with the elites of all of them

    And on another Jewish figure in the headlines at the moment, this is - quite seriously - Jewish journalism from the Jewish 'Tablet' magazine the other day
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9aa743ab9b1921a2bcf6c834efadeed4e10bb230189560b5bdf845bbe2bcd5a9.jpg

    WLike a conspiracy theory thats a very interesting observation.

    I had never heard of Antony before but it seems like a lotta smart & famous ppl in the very least read his shit & agreed w it.

    Without having read any of his material and just that review I’d say the dude at the very least has “noticed” quite a bit he shouldn’t have….

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  53. @BB753
    Better ability to do what? Spying on behalf of the US Government. It's an open secret Microsoft did exactly this by leaving a backdoor in Windows. Why would Windows Defender be safer than Kaspersky?

    I’m much more personally worried about financially motivated hackers than about the US government. If Microsoft does the best about the hackers then I would be satisfied.

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  54. jim jones says:
    @Anonym
    Interesting theory. I guess all those millions Stalin killed were just an elaborate cover story to hide Stalin's true teddy bear nature.

    https://youtu.be/BDFeH_NiFXk

    Btw apropos:

    https://youtu.be/pwT9G6t-SKI

    The movie “Death of Stalin” looks to be pretty amusing:

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  55. guest says:
    @Anonym
    Interesting theory. I guess all those millions Stalin killed were just an elaborate cover story to hide Stalin's true teddy bear nature.

    https://youtu.be/BDFeH_NiFXk

    Btw apropos:

    https://youtu.be/pwT9G6t-SKI

    Stalin’s mass murder and the Cold War are two different things. You may have noticed we were allied with Stalin during WWII, and helped him enslave Eastern Europe, despite the fact that he had already done the bulk of his killing.

    It helps that he was not a teddy bear and had expansive imperial–if not world-conquering–ambitions. But that didn’t matter much when he was invading Finland and Poland. Only after the war, when we appointed ourselves World Police and acted out on our guilty conscience for abetting his reign of terror.

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  56. Anonym says:
    @Lurker
    It echoes alright.

    I set up the spike, didn’t I. Nice.

    What I was actually referring to was this:

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  57. @Anonym
    Interesting theory. I guess all those millions Stalin killed were just an elaborate cover story to hide Stalin's true teddy bear nature.

    https://youtu.be/BDFeH_NiFXk

    Btw apropos:

    https://youtu.be/pwT9G6t-SKI

    The people Stalin killed were Russians (and Ukrainians and other Soviet ethnicities). The American elite doesn’t care about them in any interpretation (working together they are Stalin’s issue, as enemies we intended to nuke’em).

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  58. AndrewR says:
    @Twinkie

    B) The basic rule of intelligence is to assess capabilities rather than intentions.

    For example, if, say, the Russians have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so. Similarly, if the Israelis have the capability to spy on the U.S., they probably will do so.
     
    Um, no.

    We - the United States - absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).

    We are not very good, however, at HUMINT, which is vital if we are to assess correctly intentions (i.e. what is the North Korean regime leadership going to do with its x, y, z capabilities?).

    Unfortunately for us, correct estimation of intentions is much more actionable than knowing capabilities. Knowing capabilities just keeps you up at night worrying, but doesn't generally allow for specific, directly actionable policies to address the said capabilities due to legal and practical constraints, unless we know what the other intends to do with those capabilities.

    Israelis are excellent at HUMINT. And they plan for the long-haul. There are probably very deeply masked sleeper operatives in their target countries (in very difficult ones) who will only be activated in cases of national emergency.

    You sound very knowledgeable about this stuff. I’m impressed!

    As to your last paragraph, how do you think that could play out? What would sleeper agents activating look like?

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    Thanks, but what I wrote was so basic that it’s not even CIA 101.

    I’ve speculated enough about the Israelis. I leave the rest to your imagination.
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  59. Pericles says:

    Off topic, the continued series on SJW medievalists

    https://psmag.com/education/untangling-white-supremacy-from-medieval-studies

    (Apparently Tolkien is a big medieval thing?)

    Final words: “changing—saving—medieval studies will take more than silence”. I bet.

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  60. Escher says:

    OT:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391

    The Syrians and Libyans are just coming home.

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  61. Wade says:

    Way OT but related to the perennial iSteve subject matter of elite Jews diverting attention away from their own sins by attacking hapless goys. From the Washington Post:

    Harvey Weinstein rapes Hollywood actresses and so vows to take down the NRA:

    These stories follow the first Times bombshell report from Thursday detailing accounts of the movie mogul sexually assaulting actresses and employees. In response to that story, Weinstein issued a bizarre statement citing his coming of “age in the 60’s and 70’s” when workplace culture differed, apologizing for behavior that has caused colleagues “a lot of pain,” and declaring he would battle the National Rifle Association.

    And if that weren’t funny enough..

    One of his lawyers also threatened to sue the Times.

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  62. LondonBob says:
    @STUXNET
    Yep - And the nation of Israel is content to use divide & conquer to achieve it goals. We've seen it before.

    The 'most liked' comment is of course the most idiotic comment at the NY Times:
    Clark Smallville 12 hours ago
    Israel continues to be the world leader in cybersecurity, and an invaluable US ally. Alerting the US to the Russian breach of our systems using Kasperky saved countless American dollars and American lives.
    83Recommend


    below is a comment that received 3 likes and makes a lot more connections:
    "I do know that Israel, which is the source of the claim has good reason to want to hamstring Kaspersky, which is the only anti-virus system that has successfully detected the US/Israel Stuxnet virus that was aimed originally at destroying Iranian nuclear refinement plants. There is a variant of Stuxnet called Duqu 2.0, which Israel has been using to spy on UN Security Council meetings and official government computer sites in a number of countries, including Israeli hacking into US intelligence. In 2015, Israel tried to hack into Kaspersky Labs with Duqu to see how their software works, but Kaspersky's anti-virus caught the break-in attempts (Kaspersky is also the only anti-virus s/w that can detect the other US/Israel Stuxnet-derived virus, Flame). Right after being caught trying to break into Kaspersky, Israel reported to the US that Kaspersky was being used to break into our own computers. So, is Kaspersky a Russian backdoor into US computers running it, or is Israel discrediting Kaspersky because it is the only anti-virus s/w that can detect Israeli use of Duqu to spy on other countries, including the US?"

    Yes Moon of Alabama had a good article on this. Israel has an interest in discrediting Kaspersky.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/everyone-hacked-everyone-hacked-everyone-spy-spin-fuels-anti-kaspersky-campaign.html#more

    I use Kaspersky for three reasons; first it is free from my bank, two they are the best and thirdly the Russian authorities have no leverage over me in comparison to the British or American spooks.

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  63. Chu says:
    @whorefinder
    Everyone who vote for Trump knows the "Russia hacked the election" stuff is bogus. Why? Simple: the places those folks get their news and analysis have already debunked it. (One thing not being spoken of in the "Fake News" attacks by the corporate media is how much of the alt-right news gets its trust over debunking official corporate media stories. It's the debunking that sways people, and not so much the alt-right media's own original stories---i.e. Alex Jones is more popular because he debunked every poll making Trump look bad, not because he talks about frogs being made gay by the government).

    What's more, much of the non-corporate Left has said it's nonsense too, and have debunked it as well: Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, The Young Turks, etc.

    The only people taking this seriously are the corporate Left and neocons, both of whom are trying to use this to hurt Trump's credibility and drum up impeachment if possible. But those folks lost the election, and, in fact, got blown away for 18 months by Trump. I'm really not too worried about this triple-bank-shot-Russia connection stuff, because Trump has shown that withering media pressure hasn't hurt him, and the plain facts are too Byzantine for most Americans to follow (not that there's anything to follow).

    This is like Whitewater, but without the teeth. Sure, there was enough evidence B&H did something shady with S&L loans, but it was too boring, and too drawn out. What's more B&H weathered the criticism, as they didn't care.

    Contrast that to Nixon. Watergate was minor and Byzantine, but Nixon withered under the intense media scrutiny he was under as a result, and had some residual respect for the office to want to see the Presidency dragged through the mud in an impeachment hearing, even though he would have likely pulled through. His resignation was gold to the SJWs of his time---because a resignation, to them, is an admission of guilt.

    I kinda hope the ‘Corporate Left and Neocons’ keep blabbering about nothing and let it run out of steam. It all is clearly starting to sound like horseshit. And when is Mueller going to find his smoking gun? Don’t hold your breath…

    The new corporate Left/Neocon axis fear their globalist agenda is coming to an end – with a new found nationed-based nationalism that Trump represents and exploits. They fear this because their power & wealth is at stake.

    Chris Hedges in this October article below says the same impactful things that Alex Jones or Glen Greenwald says as well. He talks about the phoniness of identity politics and how NY Times is such a bag of wind in this phony era of media charlatans.

    The Elites “Have No Credibility Left”

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-elites-have-no-credibility-left/

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  64. @Lugash
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials are probably your best bet for AV/spyware. MS has the ability to do it better than anyone else at this point.

    Trouble is, these days, you don’t know who’s done what, although I would suggest that using whatever software, say, Rosneft execs or the Central Committee of China have on their desktops, on the grounds that inshallah they’ve checked it out pretty thoroughly.

    Alternatively, you could leave something like Wireshark (or whatever its current incarnation is) permanently running on your machine, and write something which checks out every IP address your machine has talked with. But how can you tell Wireshark’s not been compromised? Didn’t someone put malware into CCleaner updates recently?

    It’s a hall of mirrors. As le Carre (who ought to know) says in the voice of George Smiley

    Today, all I know is that I have learned to interpret the whole of life in terms of conspiracy. That is the sword I have lived by, and as I look round me now I see it is the sword I shall die by as well. These people terrify me, but I am one of them. If they stab me in the back, then at least that is the judgement of my peers.”

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  65. EdwardM says:
    @Broski
    OT, I've long wondered why the utterly mediocre Jennifer Lawrence is a Hollywood star. She's not that hot and can't really act. Some speculation suggests "the Fappening" of several years ago, when all the stars' nudes were leaked, was actually someone breaking into Harvey Weinstein's IPhone and sharing his private collection. (Apple denied that its cloud had been compromised, which is what was widely speculated in the press as the source of the photos.)

    Wouldn't it be delicious if all these sanctimonious starlets, who have lectured us endlessly about how bad Trump is and women's rights and this and that, had actually sent all that material to Weinstein willingly to advance their careers?

    One can hope that this is what comes out.

    Wouldn’t it be delicious if all these sanctimonious starlets, who have lectured us endlessly about how bad Trump is and women’s rights and this and that, had actually sent all that material to Weinstein willingly to advance their careers?

    One can hope that this is what comes out.

    I hope so too. It will be interesting to see whether Weinstein just takes his $100M to live on a yacht in the Mediterranean for the rest of his life, or he stays to fight back. If he does the latter, he may well have tons of juice to at least humiliate, if not implicate, a lot of people in Hollywood and in politics.

    I guess if he dies of a “heart attack” in the next few weeks we’ll know the answer.

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  66. Neoconned says:
    @Broski
    OT, I've long wondered why the utterly mediocre Jennifer Lawrence is a Hollywood star. She's not that hot and can't really act. Some speculation suggests "the Fappening" of several years ago, when all the stars' nudes were leaked, was actually someone breaking into Harvey Weinstein's IPhone and sharing his private collection. (Apple denied that its cloud had been compromised, which is what was widely speculated in the press as the source of the photos.)

    Wouldn't it be delicious if all these sanctimonious starlets, who have lectured us endlessly about how bad Trump is and women's rights and this and that, had actually sent all that material to Weinstein willingly to advance their careers?

    One can hope that this is what comes out.

    Interesting theory.

    I never got the Jen Lawrence thing either. She’s not ugly but like Anne Hathaway shes really not that hot either….just kinda…..gawky looking…

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    I've always liked the very easy on the eye Kate Beckinsale, reasonable actress too, so I wondered why she disappeared. Tip of the iceberg, hopefully Jeff Sessions destroys Hollywood over this.
    , @BB753
    Very simple, both have great bodies but stupid faces. A great body can greatly advance your career in Hollywood, and it's not as if producers care whether you like or not the actresses they support. It's a monopoly anyway. Wherever you go, it's the same Hollywood crap, no stories, brain-dead actors, shoddy directing.
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  67. Steve:

    This is completely OT but Ann Coulter has just published an analysis of the Las Vegas massacre that starts with an irrefutable observation that no one else has publicly made and proceeds from there to some very interesting questions.

    Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are) http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-las-vegas-massacre-the-story-is-coming-apart?content=lemonade%20stand.%20%C2%A0.

    Her major point is that Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money. No one else seems to have made this completely obvious (once it’s presented) observation – at least in public – and designed an investigation reasoning forward from there, e.g., seeking the true original source of Paddock’s money stream, tracking where the laundered funds may be going, and determining who else is involved.

    I’m posting here because this exactly the kind of thinking at which you also excel and because – I’m embarrassed to admit – I’ve been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.

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    "NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are...Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money."

    Very interesting, very plausible. But is there anybody on the case who cares to pursue this?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES "

    It's well known in the UK that low level dealers and thieves laundered their cash via similar gambling machines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/08/gambling-machines-drug-money-laundering-bookies

    "Dressed in a grey hoodie and jeans, James, 24, looks like just another lost soul in the high street, shuttling between the six betting shops in an east coast seaside town. It's a weekday morning and if you catch up with him inside a bookmaker, you'll find him peering intently into the green glowing screen of an electronic gambling machine – feeding in £200, "a score at a time".

    But this is not a young gambler blowing his meagre wages. James is a drug dealer and his interest in the bookmakers – and the fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs) in each shop – is all about laundering money. "That's what turns dirty money clean," he says. Dealers feed their drug money through the machines, losing a little and then cashing out with the vast majority of their stake, James says. They can then collect a printed ticket showing they have gambled that day – meaning that if stopped by police, they can answer questions about why an apparently unemployed young man carries hundreds of pounds in rolled-up cash."

     

    , @reiner Tor

    I’m embarrassed to admit – I’ve been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.
     
    Same here. Though to be honest, I wasn't familiar with video poker, and thought it was similar to online poker (or real poker), where you are taking other players' money, meanwhile perhaps paying some commission to the casino.

    But this makes this whole thing quite fishy.

    And now there are the other problems, which were easy to waive away earlier: like the fact that he had a girlfriend and millions of dollars (so no obvious motive for the whole thing), and even after searching his online history there's still no motive at all. It seemed like Konspiracy Kookery, but now it seems a little less so.
    , @res
    anonguy suggested money laundering a week ago in this comment: http://www.unz.com/isteve/have-white-men-committed-the-majority-of-the-521-mass-shootings-since-orlando/#comment-2031100
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  68. Fredrik says:
    @Simon in London
    So is McAfee CIA? I hate that program. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CNN of software.

    Some of us are neither NSA(and its Five eyes allies) nor FSB. I’d assume that all American anti-virus programs are NSA.

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  69. LondonBob says:
    @Neoconned
    Interesting theory.

    I never got the Jen Lawrence thing either. She's not ugly but like Anne Hathaway shes really not that hot either....just kinda.....gawky looking...

    I’ve always liked the very easy on the eye Kate Beckinsale, reasonable actress too, so I wondered why she disappeared. Tip of the iceberg, hopefully Jeff Sessions destroys Hollywood over this.

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    "so I wondered why she disappeared"

    Actresses tend to do that around 40, for obvious reasons. It wouldn't have been any big mystery. But the fact is Beckinsale didn't disappear.

    She was in another one of those Underworld movies last year, in addition to Whit Stillman's Jane Austen adaptation Love and Friendship. Which was tiny compared to her previous mainstream works, but a hit relative to its budget.

    , @Difference Maker
    As you may know, it's reported that Harvey said that "Kate always says no"
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  70. Wade says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The antisemitism displayed here is nauseating

    Why do you bother?

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    TD is a whore, bought and paid for by George Soros. His service to the lidless eye is a result of a promise of his enjoyment of a Harvey Weinstein level of depravity. So far, the Duck has not collected on any of the the promised benefits. But like Wormtongue, he is sure his day is not far off. And he is right. But the reward for his dishonesty, his perversity and his stupidity won't be what he expects it to be.
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  71. Vinteuil says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Steve:

    This is completely OT but Ann Coulter has just published an analysis of the Las Vegas massacre that starts with an irrefutable observation that no one else has publicly made and proceeds from there to some very interesting questions.

    Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are) http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-las-vegas-massacre-the-story-is-coming-apart?content=lemonade%20stand.%20%C2%A0.

    Her major point is that Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money. No one else seems to have made this completely obvious (once it’s presented) observation – at least in public - and designed an investigation reasoning forward from there, e.g., seeking the true original source of Paddock's money stream, tracking where the laundered funds may be going, and determining who else is involved.

    I'm posting here because this exactly the kind of thinking at which you also excel and because - I'm embarrassed to admit - I've been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.

    “NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are…Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money.”

    Very interesting, very plausible. But is there anybody on the case who cares to pursue this?

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    Ann Coulter had a brilliant column yesterday, unapologetically laying out what happens to be the best resolutions from 4chan brainstorming on this, which includes this video gambling point as well as the low-hanging fruit that Paddock was an arms dealer. It has happened in the past that Coulter has said things that were blindingly obvious and connected to simple practical steps, but which went nowhere. However Coulter does have unique visibility and her column is irresistably elegant next the latest version the FBI dartboarded together. Nobody is buying the official version and there is widening pressure to get sense out of this.
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  72. BB753 says:
    @Neoconned
    Interesting theory.

    I never got the Jen Lawrence thing either. She's not ugly but like Anne Hathaway shes really not that hot either....just kinda.....gawky looking...

    Very simple, both have great bodies but stupid faces. A great body can greatly advance your career in Hollywood, and it’s not as if producers care whether you like or not the actresses they support. It’s a monopoly anyway. Wherever you go, it’s the same Hollywood crap, no stories, brain-dead actors, shoddy directing.

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    Agree on Jennifer Lawrence. Dumb face. She was perfect in "Winter's Bone" but hasn't seemed the best choice for anything since then.
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  73. guest says:
    @LondonBob
    I've always liked the very easy on the eye Kate Beckinsale, reasonable actress too, so I wondered why she disappeared. Tip of the iceberg, hopefully Jeff Sessions destroys Hollywood over this.

    “so I wondered why she disappeared”

    Actresses tend to do that around 40, for obvious reasons. It wouldn’t have been any big mystery. But the fact is Beckinsale didn’t disappear.

    She was in another one of those Underworld movies last year, in addition to Whit Stillman’s Jane Austen adaptation Love and Friendship. Which was tiny compared to her previous mainstream works, but a hit relative to its budget.

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    Kate Beckinsdale arguably looked hotter in 'Love and Friendship' than she did when she starred as Emma back in 1996. She's still got a fantastic figure, and she's classically beautiful. It's no surprise she's still doing well in getting roles.
    , @LondonBob
    She hasn't been 40 for the past 15 years. She wasn't the worst thing about Pearl Harbour and should got another big film after that. Jennifer Lawrence seems to get big role after big role at a comparable age, for some reason.
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  74. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Steve:

    This is completely OT but Ann Coulter has just published an analysis of the Las Vegas massacre that starts with an irrefutable observation that no one else has publicly made and proceeds from there to some very interesting questions.

    Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are) http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-las-vegas-massacre-the-story-is-coming-apart?content=lemonade%20stand.%20%C2%A0.

    Her major point is that Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money. No one else seems to have made this completely obvious (once it’s presented) observation – at least in public - and designed an investigation reasoning forward from there, e.g., seeking the true original source of Paddock's money stream, tracking where the laundered funds may be going, and determining who else is involved.

    I'm posting here because this exactly the kind of thinking at which you also excel and because - I'm embarrassed to admit - I've been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.

    “Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES “

    It’s well known in the UK that low level dealers and thieves laundered their cash via similar gambling machines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/08/gambling-machines-drug-money-laundering-bookies

    “Dressed in a grey hoodie and jeans, James, 24, looks like just another lost soul in the high street, shuttling between the six betting shops in an east coast seaside town. It’s a weekday morning and if you catch up with him inside a bookmaker, you’ll find him peering intently into the green glowing screen of an electronic gambling machine – feeding in £200, “a score at a time”.

    But this is not a young gambler blowing his meagre wages. James is a drug dealer and his interest in the bookmakers – and the fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs) in each shop – is all about laundering money. “That’s what turns dirty money clean,” he says. Dealers feed their drug money through the machines, losing a little and then cashing out with the vast majority of their stake, James says. They can then collect a printed ticket showing they have gambled that day – meaning that if stopped by police, they can answer questions about why an apparently unemployed young man carries hundreds of pounds in rolled-up cash.”

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  75. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Vinteuil
    "NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are...Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money."

    Very interesting, very plausible. But is there anybody on the case who cares to pursue this?

    Ann Coulter had a brilliant column yesterday, unapologetically laying out what happens to be the best resolutions from 4chan brainstorming on this, which includes this video gambling point as well as the low-hanging fruit that Paddock was an arms dealer. It has happened in the past that Coulter has said things that were blindingly obvious and connected to simple practical steps, but which went nowhere. However Coulter does have unique visibility and her column is irresistably elegant next the latest version the FBI dartboarded together. Nobody is buying the official version and there is widening pressure to get sense out of this.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    You know while I've been at least open (not a true believer) to 9/11 conspiracy since 2005ish I used to laugh my ass off about OKC bombing conspiracy nuts. Then i started reading about that guy Strassmeir and the Trentadue lawsuits ALL FROM MAINSTREAM NEWS SOURCES....DOJ released documentation etc

    Pieces from NYT, CSM, the OKC newspaper etc ALL talked about Patcon and i just said after a few days of reading "I'll be damned they arent nuts."

    Then i read about Operation Gladio & how McVeigh may have been a domestic Gladio operative with Strassmeir.

    When Steve posted that article about how the DOJ used European ex military types to infiltrate that Bundy Mormon splinter cult sect that occupied the Oregon refuge i said "they pulled another Strassmeir"....

    And then theres what Sibel Edmonds claimed about Gladio continuing w Islamo radicals being used to keep Central Asia in our sphere of influence.....

    And then you ask questions about why the military let Afghan heroin output jump 600pc from 01-06....maybePaddock as an accountant was a launderer for the CIAs dope money?

    Jesse Ventura for all his nuttery claimed the CIA has dimestic agents in violation of its charter who interviewed him when he was elected....
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  76. @BB753
    Very simple, both have great bodies but stupid faces. A great body can greatly advance your career in Hollywood, and it's not as if producers care whether you like or not the actresses they support. It's a monopoly anyway. Wherever you go, it's the same Hollywood crap, no stories, brain-dead actors, shoddy directing.

    Agree on Jennifer Lawrence. Dumb face. She was perfect in “Winter’s Bone” but hasn’t seemed the best choice for anything since then.

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  77. Karl says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew billionaire who pushes open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Adelson pushes this on the United States, not on Israel.

    8 Charles Pewitt > Shelly Adelson is an unassimilated Jew

    I don’t know if he’s good or bad, but I know that even after being married for forever to a girl from Haifa, he still can’t speak Hebrew

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  78. Karl says:

    AndrewR > You sound very knowledgeable about this stuff

    but not knowledgeable enough to know the tradecraft nomenclature difference between SIGINT and MASINT

    If you want to know how much the Americans know about (e.g.) Pakistani missle capabilities, you should probably hang out at lunch-time restaurants around Patrick AFB.

    Intel people don’t make the kind of money that James Bond movies suggest. So don’t bother hanging out at anyplace that runs more expensive than a (eg) Thank God It’s Friday

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    but not knowledgeable enough to know the tradecraft nomenclature difference between SIGINT and MASINT
     
    You seem to suffer from a severe reading comprehension problem. Do you know the difference between e.g. and i.e.?
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  79. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Steve:

    This is completely OT but Ann Coulter has just published an analysis of the Las Vegas massacre that starts with an irrefutable observation that no one else has publicly made and proceeds from there to some very interesting questions.

    Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are) http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-las-vegas-massacre-the-story-is-coming-apart?content=lemonade%20stand.%20%C2%A0.

    Her major point is that Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money. No one else seems to have made this completely obvious (once it’s presented) observation – at least in public - and designed an investigation reasoning forward from there, e.g., seeking the true original source of Paddock's money stream, tracking where the laundered funds may be going, and determining who else is involved.

    I'm posting here because this exactly the kind of thinking at which you also excel and because - I'm embarrassed to admit - I've been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.

    I’m embarrassed to admit – I’ve been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.

    Same here. Though to be honest, I wasn’t familiar with video poker, and thought it was similar to online poker (or real poker), where you are taking other players’ money, meanwhile perhaps paying some commission to the casino.

    But this makes this whole thing quite fishy.

    And now there are the other problems, which were easy to waive away earlier: like the fact that he had a girlfriend and millions of dollars (so no obvious motive for the whole thing), and even after searching his online history there’s still no motive at all. It seemed like Konspiracy Kookery, but now it seems a little less so.

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    There's a theoretical positive return in some of these games, when playing a perfect strategy. Is it possible that someone could earn millions of dollars playing these? Or is it impossible?

    I checked some lists of top earnings poker players worldwide, and it looks like the 5 million income he reported in 2015 must've made him one of the top earners among poker players, including any types of poker players.

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  80. res says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Steve:

    This is completely OT but Ann Coulter has just published an analysis of the Las Vegas massacre that starts with an irrefutable observation that no one else has publicly made and proceeds from there to some very interesting questions.

    Coulter notes that NO ONE CAN MAKE A LIVING GAMBLING AT SLOT MACHINES (which is what video poker machines actually are) http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-las-vegas-massacre-the-story-is-coming-apart?content=lemonade%20stand.%20%C2%A0.

    Her major point is that Paddock’s gambling patterns are exactly those one would expect from a mid-level money laundering operation, i.e., a scheme for turning $x millions of illegal money into $0.99x millions of “legitimately” obtained money. No one else seems to have made this completely obvious (once it’s presented) observation – at least in public - and designed an investigation reasoning forward from there, e.g., seeking the true original source of Paddock's money stream, tracking where the laundered funds may be going, and determining who else is involved.

    I'm posting here because this exactly the kind of thinking at which you also excel and because - I'm embarrassed to admit - I've been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.
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    I'm sorry I missed that. He deserves at least the same credit as Coulter for pointing out something that, to my knowledge, very few noticed. That a major investigation has not been launched into this aspect of Paddock's life is suspicious. If nothing else, announcing such an investigation would make law enforcement officials look a little less like the boobs they are coming across as right now. This whole thing now reeks of some kind of coverup.
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  81. Neoconned says:
    @nebulafox
    Duh.

    There's no such thing as an absolutely friendly foreign intelligence service. But generally speaking, one can trust the likes of the UK, Australia, Canada, or New Zealand-the other Five Eyes nations-to not do anything too horrible to the US.

    Israel is most definitely *not* that kind of ally. (See Jonathan Pollard, who should be rotting in jail right now.) AIPAC spends a great deal of money and time to hide this inconvenient fact and terrorize any potential dissenters in Congress into silence. Mossad intelligence operations against the US, particularly against American defense technology and intellectual property, are aggressive and often every bit as nasty as that emanating from Moscow or Beijing.

    As for the Russian angle, former Soviet migrants have brought a lot to Israel, including high horsepower STEM skills. However, the 1990s also brought mobsters. With Israel's security services very understandably focused on more proximate threats, they've flourished and have a hand in everything from white collar financial crime to prostitution. And in Russia, the dividing line between the criminal underworld, the private sector, and the security services is never quite clear, so...

    Read an article once tjat was from the 1990s. The FBI raided the ADL and found top secret FBI files in their offices w no surety as to how they got them…..

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  82. Twinkie says:
    @Karl
    AndrewR > You sound very knowledgeable about this stuff



    but not knowledgeable enough to know the tradecraft nomenclature difference between SIGINT and MASINT

    If you want to know how much the Americans know about (e.g.) Pakistani missle capabilities, you should probably hang out at lunch-time restaurants around Patrick AFB.

    Intel people don't make the kind of money that James Bond movies suggest. So don't bother hanging out at anyplace that runs more expensive than a (eg) Thank God It's Friday

    but not knowledgeable enough to know the tradecraft nomenclature difference between SIGINT and MASINT

    You seem to suffer from a severe reading comprehension problem. Do you know the difference between e.g. and i.e.?

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  83. Twinkie says:
    @AndrewR
    You sound very knowledgeable about this stuff. I'm impressed!

    As to your last paragraph, how do you think that could play out? What would sleeper agents activating look like?

    Thanks, but what I wrote was so basic that it’s not even CIA 101.

    I’ve speculated enough about the Israelis. I leave the rest to your imagination.

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    Sorry, I don't start Remedial CIA next semester.
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  84. @guest
    "so I wondered why she disappeared"

    Actresses tend to do that around 40, for obvious reasons. It wouldn't have been any big mystery. But the fact is Beckinsale didn't disappear.

    She was in another one of those Underworld movies last year, in addition to Whit Stillman's Jane Austen adaptation Love and Friendship. Which was tiny compared to her previous mainstream works, but a hit relative to its budget.

    Kate Beckinsdale arguably looked hotter in ‘Love and Friendship’ than she did when she starred as Emma back in 1996. She’s still got a fantastic figure, and she’s classically beautiful. It’s no surprise she’s still doing well in getting roles.

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    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.
    , @guest
    She almost certainly had plastic surgery between now and 1996, and sometimes that works for the best.

    But Real Talk, there's no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23, barring her recovering from some horrible disease or morbid obesity. Just look at the skin, which always tells the take. Though they try to cover that up in movies, they can't cover it up completely.

    She looks good for her age and hasn't yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery, let's say that. I don't want to speak ill of her. I merely want to speak up for pretty 23 year-olds, who in a just world have all the advantages.

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  85. Neoconned says:
    @J.Ross
    Ann Coulter had a brilliant column yesterday, unapologetically laying out what happens to be the best resolutions from 4chan brainstorming on this, which includes this video gambling point as well as the low-hanging fruit that Paddock was an arms dealer. It has happened in the past that Coulter has said things that were blindingly obvious and connected to simple practical steps, but which went nowhere. However Coulter does have unique visibility and her column is irresistably elegant next the latest version the FBI dartboarded together. Nobody is buying the official version and there is widening pressure to get sense out of this.

    You know while I’ve been at least open (not a true believer) to 9/11 conspiracy since 2005ish I used to laugh my ass off about OKC bombing conspiracy nuts. Then i started reading about that guy Strassmeir and the Trentadue lawsuits ALL FROM MAINSTREAM NEWS SOURCES….DOJ released documentation etc

    Pieces from NYT, CSM, the OKC newspaper etc ALL talked about Patcon and i just said after a few days of reading “I’ll be damned they arent nuts.”

    Then i read about Operation Gladio & how McVeigh may have been a domestic Gladio operative with Strassmeir.

    When Steve posted that article about how the DOJ used European ex military types to infiltrate that Bundy Mormon splinter cult sect that occupied the Oregon refuge i said “they pulled another Strassmeir”….

    And then theres what Sibel Edmonds claimed about Gladio continuing w Islamo radicals being used to keep Central Asia in our sphere of influence…..

    And then you ask questions about why the military let Afghan heroin output jump 600pc from 01-06….maybePaddock as an accountant was a launderer for the CIAs dope money?

    Jesse Ventura for all his nuttery claimed the CIA has dimestic agents in violation of its charter who interviewed him when he was elected….

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  86. Twinkie says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Kate Beckinsdale arguably looked hotter in 'Love and Friendship' than she did when she starred as Emma back in 1996. She's still got a fantastic figure, and she's classically beautiful. It's no surprise she's still doing well in getting roles.

    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.

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    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.

     

    Thanks -- I never would have guessed it. I looked at her wikipedia page, and indeed it turns out she's 1/8 Burmese.
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  87. @The Alarmist
    Dip him in honey? The Pope, not the bear... that would just piss the bear off.

    Dip him in honey?

    I like it! Now, where can I get a big vat of honey, where the Pope will walk by?

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  88. @Wade
    Why do you bother?

    TD is a whore, bought and paid for by George Soros. His service to the lidless eye is a result of a promise of his enjoyment of a Harvey Weinstein level of depravity. So far, the Duck has not collected on any of the the promised benefits. But like Wormtongue, he is sure his day is not far off. And he is right. But the reward for his dishonesty, his perversity and his stupidity won’t be what he expects it to be.

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  89. @Twinkie
    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.

    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.

    Thanks — I never would have guessed it. I looked at her wikipedia page, and indeed it turns out she’s 1/8 Burmese.

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    Thanks — I never would have guessed it.
     
    Earlier in her career, she discussed how "oriental" she looked as a child.

    Apparently this is a photograph of her as a child: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B1LlYh6iKqs/S-i_9qrkiKI/AAAAAAAABQ8/JoERKWhwk34/s1600/kate-beckinsale-young-2.jpg

    She did look quite Asian for only 1/8th. If you googled "young Kate Beckinsale," you'll see another photo of hers that makes her look even more Asian.
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  90. AndrewR says:
    @Twinkie
    Thanks, but what I wrote was so basic that it’s not even CIA 101.

    I’ve speculated enough about the Israelis. I leave the rest to your imagination.

    Sorry, I don’t start Remedial CIA next semester.

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    Sorry, I don’t start Remedial CIA next semester.
     
    There is an actual "CIA 101" (well, colloquially anyway, it's actually an orientation program) at the CIAU.

    Apply today!
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  91. Twinkie says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She’s mixed a bit. So she’s “classical” with a touch of the exotic.

     

    Thanks -- I never would have guessed it. I looked at her wikipedia page, and indeed it turns out she's 1/8 Burmese.

    Thanks — I never would have guessed it.

    Earlier in her career, she discussed how “oriental” she looked as a child.

    Apparently this is a photograph of her as a child:

    She did look quite Asian for only 1/8th. If you googled “young Kate Beckinsale,” you’ll see another photo of hers that makes her look even more Asian.

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    I learned from Wikipedia that both Eddie Van Halen and Geert Wilders are part Indonesian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people
    , @BB753
    I you were told that the girl in the picture was 100% Scottish, you wouldn't see anything Asian about her. Your mind tells you there must be something asian in her features because of her ancestry. Even her father didn't look Asian at all.
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  92. Twinkie says:
    @AndrewR
    Sorry, I don't start Remedial CIA next semester.

    Sorry, I don’t start Remedial CIA next semester.

    There is an actual “CIA 101″ (well, colloquially anyway, it’s actually an orientation program) at the CIAU.

    Apply today!

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  93. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor

    We – the United States – absolutely excel in technical means of intelligence gathering (e.g. SIGINT). Such technical means are great at estimating the capabilities of the targets in question (e.g. North Korea is able to do x, y, and z).
     
    Even so, occasionally there's the surprise when suddenly they realize that North Korea has been progressing faster with its missile program than previously thought, or when Russia suddenly sends missiles to Syria from Caspian frigates, and everybody is surprised Russia had such quantities of this kind of new missiles. (Though in the latter case the surprise might be a result of feigned ignorance and fear-mongering, whereas in the former case it might be a result of North Korea getting outside help, maybe from a Ukrainian missile manufacturer, and the US definitely detected the improvement in missile technologies years before the actual successful missile test. Anyway, probably even the SIGINT capabilities are not nearly omnipotent for detecting capabilities.)

    Even so, occasionally there’s the surprise

    excellent /= perfect.

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    Coloring one's hair can make a huge difference. My wife is 1/8 Asian and when she was in her early 20s she looked a lot like Kate Beckinsale in this photo (actually, still does):

    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/5300000/Uncovered-1994-kate-beckinsale-5343338-500-333.jpg

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  94. guest says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Kate Beckinsdale arguably looked hotter in 'Love and Friendship' than she did when she starred as Emma back in 1996. She's still got a fantastic figure, and she's classically beautiful. It's no surprise she's still doing well in getting roles.

    She almost certainly had plastic surgery between now and 1996, and sometimes that works for the best.

    But Real Talk, there’s no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23, barring her recovering from some horrible disease or morbid obesity. Just look at the skin, which always tells the take. Though they try to cover that up in movies, they can’t cover it up completely.

    She looks good for her age and hasn’t yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery, let’s say that. I don’t want to speak ill of her. I merely want to speak up for pretty 23 year-olds, who in a just world have all the advantages.

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    Good points.

    I think you're likely right about the surgery, but assuming she has had some, it was indeed well done.

    I also agree, of course, that a 44-year-old is never going to compete with a 23-year-old in many, um, areas.

    But I do think the camera likes her better now. Her features have sharpened (naturally or not) in a way that's very striking. She looked a bit under-baked as a 20-something, if you know what I mean.

    Anyway, I enjoyed 'Love and Friendship' very much, and not least because of Ms Beckinsdale; her allure at her age made her character plausible, and she had sufficient acting chops to make that character amusing.

    , @Karl
    95 guest > there’s no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23.... hasn’t yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery


    I believe that you are not well studied on the current state of the art of facial plastic surgery.

    It's very much about what you can afford. 23-year olds (unless you're Chelsea Clinton) typically don't have the money for the (eg) custom malar implants
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  95. @guest
    She almost certainly had plastic surgery between now and 1996, and sometimes that works for the best.

    But Real Talk, there's no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23, barring her recovering from some horrible disease or morbid obesity. Just look at the skin, which always tells the take. Though they try to cover that up in movies, they can't cover it up completely.

    She looks good for her age and hasn't yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery, let's say that. I don't want to speak ill of her. I merely want to speak up for pretty 23 year-olds, who in a just world have all the advantages.

    Good points.

    I think you’re likely right about the surgery, but assuming she has had some, it was indeed well done.

    I also agree, of course, that a 44-year-old is never going to compete with a 23-year-old in many, um, areas.

    But I do think the camera likes her better now. Her features have sharpened (naturally or not) in a way that’s very striking. She looked a bit under-baked as a 20-something, if you know what I mean.

    Anyway, I enjoyed ‘Love and Friendship’ very much, and not least because of Ms Beckinsdale; her allure at her age made her character plausible, and she had sufficient acting chops to make that character amusing.

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    She was a very plausible "cougar" in that movie, if you'll forgive the terminology. It helped that they cast a less attractive actress in the role of her daughter, and paired her up with Chloe Sevigny, who is a couple of years younger than her but much worse looking.
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  96. LondonBob says:
    @guest
    "so I wondered why she disappeared"

    Actresses tend to do that around 40, for obvious reasons. It wouldn't have been any big mystery. But the fact is Beckinsale didn't disappear.

    She was in another one of those Underworld movies last year, in addition to Whit Stillman's Jane Austen adaptation Love and Friendship. Which was tiny compared to her previous mainstream works, but a hit relative to its budget.

    She hasn’t been 40 for the past 15 years. She wasn’t the worst thing about Pearl Harbour and should got another big film after that. Jennifer Lawrence seems to get big role after big role at a comparable age, for some reason.

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    Wanna check your math? Maybe you mean 30 instead of 40. Or did she lie about her age?
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  97. guest says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Good points.

    I think you're likely right about the surgery, but assuming she has had some, it was indeed well done.

    I also agree, of course, that a 44-year-old is never going to compete with a 23-year-old in many, um, areas.

    But I do think the camera likes her better now. Her features have sharpened (naturally or not) in a way that's very striking. She looked a bit under-baked as a 20-something, if you know what I mean.

    Anyway, I enjoyed 'Love and Friendship' very much, and not least because of Ms Beckinsdale; her allure at her age made her character plausible, and she had sufficient acting chops to make that character amusing.

    She was a very plausible “cougar” in that movie, if you’ll forgive the terminology. It helped that they cast a less attractive actress in the role of her daughter, and paired her up with Chloe Sevigny, who is a couple of years younger than her but much worse looking.

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    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman's Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit's hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious "Metropolitan" is after 27 years.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman's Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit's hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious "Metropolitan" is after 27 years.

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  98. guest says:
    @LondonBob
    She hasn't been 40 for the past 15 years. She wasn't the worst thing about Pearl Harbour and should got another big film after that. Jennifer Lawrence seems to get big role after big role at a comparable age, for some reason.

    Wanna check your math? Maybe you mean 30 instead of 40. Or did she lie about her age?

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    No she wasn't 40 in 2001 when Pearl Harbour came out. In fact I have no idea what you think her age today has to do with why she got so few big roles in the noughties.
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  99. @guest
    She was a very plausible "cougar" in that movie, if you'll forgive the terminology. It helped that they cast a less attractive actress in the role of her daughter, and paired her up with Chloe Sevigny, who is a couple of years younger than her but much worse looking.

    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman’s Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit’s hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious “Metropolitan” is after 27 years.

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    Yes!!! Sailer and Stillman meet at last! I’d like to think that my relentless Metropolitan references from “not so long ago” made this happen. :)
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  100. @guest
    She was a very plausible "cougar" in that movie, if you'll forgive the terminology. It helped that they cast a less attractive actress in the role of her daughter, and paired her up with Chloe Sevigny, who is a couple of years younger than her but much worse looking.

    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman’s Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit’s hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious “Metropolitan” is after 27 years.

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    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman’s Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.
     
    Yes. It's hard to imagine a 40-something mother looking much hotter.

    Stillman did a solid job with 'Love and Friendship'. It's a delightful film.

    A bit of googling shows that it made 20 million at the box office on a budget of just 3 million. I hope this means there will be more like it coming soon.

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  101. LondonBob says:
    @guest
    Wanna check your math? Maybe you mean 30 instead of 40. Or did she lie about her age?

    No she wasn’t 40 in 2001 when Pearl Harbour came out. In fact I have no idea what you think her age today has to do with why she got so few big roles in the noughties.

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  102. benjaminl says:
    @Twinkie

    Thanks — I never would have guessed it.
     
    Earlier in her career, she discussed how "oriental" she looked as a child.

    Apparently this is a photograph of her as a child: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B1LlYh6iKqs/S-i_9qrkiKI/AAAAAAAABQ8/JoERKWhwk34/s1600/kate-beckinsale-young-2.jpg

    She did look quite Asian for only 1/8th. If you googled "young Kate Beckinsale," you'll see another photo of hers that makes her look even more Asian.

    I learned from Wikipedia that both Eddie Van Halen and Geert Wilders are part Indonesian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people

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    The brothers Van Halen were born in the Netherlands to a Dutch father and part-Javanese, part-Dutch (and I think part Italian) mother, maiden name van Beers. Indonesia of course used to be part of the Dutch East Indies, and Jan Van Halen was a working-class, itinerant jazz musician who picked up a wife when he travelled to the colonies.

    Not only was Mommy Van Halen Eurasian, she was a Tiger Mother who forced her kids to drill on piano and compete in classical recital competitions. She was not happy when they switched to rock.

    , @Twinkie
    That blond actor from “Saved by the Bell” is also part Indonesian.

    https://www.pinterest.com/explore/zack-morris/
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  103. @Steve Sailer
    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman's Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit's hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious "Metropolitan" is after 27 years.

    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman’s Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    Yes. It’s hard to imagine a 40-something mother looking much hotter.

    Stillman did a solid job with ‘Love and Friendship’. It’s a delightful film.

    A bit of googling shows that it made 20 million at the box office on a budget of just 3 million. I hope this means there will be more like it coming soon.

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  104. AP says:
    @Twinkie

    Even so, occasionally there’s the surprise
     
    excellent /= perfect.

    Coloring one’s hair can make a huge difference. My wife is 1/8 Asian and when she was in her early 20s she looked a lot like Kate Beckinsale in this photo (actually, still does):

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  105. BB753 says:
    @Twinkie

    Thanks — I never would have guessed it.
     
    Earlier in her career, she discussed how "oriental" she looked as a child.

    Apparently this is a photograph of her as a child: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B1LlYh6iKqs/S-i_9qrkiKI/AAAAAAAABQ8/JoERKWhwk34/s1600/kate-beckinsale-young-2.jpg

    She did look quite Asian for only 1/8th. If you googled "young Kate Beckinsale," you'll see another photo of hers that makes her look even more Asian.

    I you were told that the girl in the picture was 100% Scottish, you wouldn’t see anything Asian about her. Your mind tells you there must be something asian in her features because of her ancestry. Even her father didn’t look Asian at all.

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    I thought she was some fraction Asian, long before I saw her interview, in which SHE spoke about how Asian she looked as a child. My children are half-Asian, and they look less Asian than she appears in the photograph I linked. Beckinsale had more of the epicanthic fold and buck teeth look than my kids did as children.
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  106. guest says:
    @benjaminl
    I learned from Wikipedia that both Eddie Van Halen and Geert Wilders are part Indonesian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people

    The brothers Van Halen were born in the Netherlands to a Dutch father and part-Javanese, part-Dutch (and I think part Italian) mother, maiden name van Beers. Indonesia of course used to be part of the Dutch East Indies, and Jan Van Halen was a working-class, itinerant jazz musician who picked up a wife when he travelled to the colonies.

    Not only was Mommy Van Halen Eurasian, she was a Tiger Mother who forced her kids to drill on piano and compete in classical recital competitions. She was not happy when they switched to rock.

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  107. @res
    anonguy suggested money laundering a week ago in this comment: http://www.unz.com/isteve/have-white-men-committed-the-majority-of-the-521-mass-shootings-since-orlando/#comment-2031100

    I’m sorry I missed that. He deserves at least the same credit as Coulter for pointing out something that, to my knowledge, very few noticed. That a major investigation has not been launched into this aspect of Paddock’s life is suspicious. If nothing else, announcing such an investigation would make law enforcement officials look a little less like the boobs they are coming across as right now. This whole thing now reeks of some kind of coverup.

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  108. @reiner Tor

    I’m embarrassed to admit – I’ve been pontificating about the LV massacre without ever considering the obvious points Coulter raises.
     
    Same here. Though to be honest, I wasn't familiar with video poker, and thought it was similar to online poker (or real poker), where you are taking other players' money, meanwhile perhaps paying some commission to the casino.

    But this makes this whole thing quite fishy.

    And now there are the other problems, which were easy to waive away earlier: like the fact that he had a girlfriend and millions of dollars (so no obvious motive for the whole thing), and even after searching his online history there's still no motive at all. It seemed like Konspiracy Kookery, but now it seems a little less so.

    There’s a theoretical positive return in some of these games, when playing a perfect strategy. Is it possible that someone could earn millions of dollars playing these? Or is it impossible?

    I checked some lists of top earnings poker players worldwide, and it looks like the 5 million income he reported in 2015 must’ve made him one of the top earners among poker players, including any types of poker players.

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  109. Twinkie says:
    @BB753
    I you were told that the girl in the picture was 100% Scottish, you wouldn't see anything Asian about her. Your mind tells you there must be something asian in her features because of her ancestry. Even her father didn't look Asian at all.

    I thought she was some fraction Asian, long before I saw her interview, in which SHE spoke about how Asian she looked as a child. My children are half-Asian, and they look less Asian than she appears in the photograph I linked. Beckinsale had more of the epicanthic fold and buck teeth look than my kids did as children.

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    I wouldn't have guessed from that picture alone that she had any Asian ancestry. I would have guessed Irish or Polish (a New Jerseyan am I to the end). But a more practiced eye can probably distinguish these things better.
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  110. Twinkie says:
    @benjaminl
    I learned from Wikipedia that both Eddie Van Halen and Geert Wilders are part Indonesian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people

    That blond actor from “Saved by the Bell” is also part Indonesian.

    https://www.pinterest.com/explore/zack-morris/

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    The blonde hair isn't natural, however.
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  111. AP says:
    @Twinkie
    That blond actor from “Saved by the Bell” is also part Indonesian.

    https://www.pinterest.com/explore/zack-morris/

    The blonde hair isn’t natural, however.

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  112. @Steve Sailer
    Kate Beckinsale was pretty amazing looking in Whit Stillman's Love and Friendship. Jane Austen would have approved of how great Kate looked in the movie.

    I got to shake Whit's hand at Pepperdine U. on Monday and tell him how hilarious "Metropolitan" is after 27 years.

    Yes!!! Sailer and Stillman meet at last! I’d like to think that my relentless Metropolitan references from “not so long ago” made this happen. :)

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  113. Karl says:
    @guest
    She almost certainly had plastic surgery between now and 1996, and sometimes that works for the best.

    But Real Talk, there's no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23, barring her recovering from some horrible disease or morbid obesity. Just look at the skin, which always tells the take. Though they try to cover that up in movies, they can't cover it up completely.

    She looks good for her age and hasn't yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery, let's say that. I don't want to speak ill of her. I merely want to speak up for pretty 23 year-olds, who in a just world have all the advantages.

    95 guest > there’s no way a 44 year-old looks better than she did at 23…. hasn’t yet contracted Ghoul Face® from surgery

    I believe that you are not well studied on the current state of the art of facial plastic surgery.

    It’s very much about what you can afford. 23-year olds (unless you’re Chelsea Clinton) typically don’t have the money for the (eg) custom malar implants

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  114. @LondonBob
    I've always liked the very easy on the eye Kate Beckinsale, reasonable actress too, so I wondered why she disappeared. Tip of the iceberg, hopefully Jeff Sessions destroys Hollywood over this.

    As you may know, it’s reported that Harvey said that “Kate always says no”

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    I thought she was some fraction Asian, long before I saw her interview, in which SHE spoke about how Asian she looked as a child. My children are half-Asian, and they look less Asian than she appears in the photograph I linked. Beckinsale had more of the epicanthic fold and buck teeth look than my kids did as children.

    I wouldn’t have guessed from that picture alone that she had any Asian ancestry. I would have guessed Irish or Polish (a New Jerseyan am I to the end). But a more practiced eye can probably distinguish these things better.

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