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Audacious Epigone writes:

Detailed demographic breakdown of 2016 US presidential election

In imitation of Steve Sailer’s–epigone, after all!–detailed demographic breakdown of the 2012 presidential election with Romney and Obama going head-to-head, here’s a less aesthetically appealing version of the same for 2016 with Trump and Clinton squaring off.

A few brief technical notes: Reuters-Ipsos never released official exit poll results, but they have maintained a daily tracking poll on Trump’s approval rating with filters including who respondents voted for in addition to all the various demographic categories presented below. The data is taken from the poll’s commencement on January 20 through March 14, the latest date for which figures were available at the time of this post’s creation. The total sample size among those who voted for either Trump or Clinton is 13,381*. Trump shows a modest edge, 50.6%-49.4%, in the popular vote in this sample. I have no opinion on whether this is more or less accurate than the officially reported popular vote total when it comes to legitimate ballots cast by American citizens.

The following graphs show the vote share of each demographic group Trump received in November:

See the other three parts of the graph there.

Here’s my 2012 graph based on Romney’s share in the Reuter’s online panel.

But will The Coalition of the Fringes hold together?

 
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  1. For all their obsessions with gaps, the marriage gap isn’t talked about much. Probably because leftists don’t like reminding people that they’re the party of loneliness and evolutionary death. They would much rather pit the races and the sexes against one another.

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  2. syonredux says:

    Married White women: 61.4%

    Well, I’ve long toyed with the idea that female suffrage should be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock….

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I’ve long toyed with the idea that female suffrage should be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock…
     
    There's a reason the first church in the world to give its wholehearted support to women's suffrage was the Latter Day Saints.
    , @JSM
    Me too. And *male* suffrage should also be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock, since Single Men voted for Trump at only 49 percent.
  3. Daniel H says:

    The gap between single Jewish women and all other Jews (single men, married women, married men) is astounding. No wonder so many Jewish men are marrying Shiksas. Feminism is a disruptive ideology. You would think that the Rabbis would pass some Jewish version of a Fatwah against Feminism.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    I used to wait tables, a four top of jewish women was as close to hell on earth as it comes. So that might explain things a little as well.
    , @snorlax
    A feminist fatwa against the rabbis would have more chance of success.
    , @res
    I found Married Jewish Men at 58.8% Trump the most surprising of any of the demographic categories (though the point you make is a strong contender). You sure wouldn't guess that by looking at married male Jewish pundits.

    LOL at this:

    I have no opinion on whether this is more or less accurate than the officially reported popular vote total when it comes to legitimate ballots cast by American citizens.
     
  4. Kaz says:

    30% of muslims hmm

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    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    If you were a patriotically American Moslem, maybe even a black Moslem, for whom would you vote?
  5. Trelane says:

    So 97% of black single mothers agree that Donald Trump is not their man. Quite the concensus.

    The kleptoparasitic and brood parasitic women’s vote has been heard!

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  6. Whiskey says: • Website

    Yes the gap between single Jewish women and all other Jewish groups is really astonishing. And yes, Jewish women face a huge barrier to finding a Jewish mate — they are essentially unmarriagble — with high expectations of Alphadom coupled with both less feminine desirability (generally in poor shape, little diet and exercise, little charm and much feminist aggressiveness aka shrewishness) and high number count.

    You’d think there would be a huge market for female gurus telling Jewish and non-Jewish women alike on just how to get and keep that hot Alpha man. But instead there is nothing but the equivalent of a gallon of ice cream to tell them how awesome they are with pump and dump.

    All that being said, I wonder how much of Donald Trump’s relative good performance with Married White women compared to expectations (though IIRC it was LOWER than Mitt Romney, though again I could be wrong, just off memory here); was due to Hillary being just repellent in every way; compared to the “dreamboat” that the media made out of Obama?

    Populism is VERY effective with married White women looking after their kids; unfortunately that runs into the lower rates of marriage. Particularly since White women demand much higher levels of income among the beta males they settle for; as opposed to the Alphas who pump/dump them pre-Wall. Later marriage means more and harder ingrained by habit leftism.

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    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    And yes, Jewish women face a huge barrier to finding a Jewish mate — they are essentially unmarriagble — with high expectations of Alphadom coupled with both less feminine desirability (generally in poor shape, little diet and exercise, little charm and much feminist aggressiveness aka shrewishness) and high number count.
     
    Oh, I don't know; I think most Jewish ladies end up doing just fine. There are harpies among every race and ethnic group. I'll concede that Jewish ladies may be more prone to extreme feminism, though. I'm at a loss to explain why. I find the gap between single Jewish women (11.8%) and married Jewish women (42.9%) very interesting. That's over 30 percentage points. Marriage definitely has an effect. But I would have liked to see a larger sample size from those two groups.

    On a side note, in college I was fortunate to intimately date a fine Jewish lass. She was dirty blonde with a great figure and a fascinating pair of assets. She was from a prosperous white collar (read not doctor/lawyer) family with parents who were generally conservative. We were at State school together and dated a few weeks; don't know what she liked about me; maybe it was my hard-charging ROTC demeanor, but she was a Fine Arts major and we shared a passion for Michelangelo's works. Either way, we both knew a long-term relationship wouldn't work and went our separate ways. She was fascinating. Subsequently, I've met/known several Jewish ladies both married and single and they were all generally pleasant. Yes, I realize this is anecdotal, but take it for what it is.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Question: Are "Jewish Women" a homogeneous group? My sense of it is that within the "Jewish Block" there's still a hierarchy, and the half-and-half (i.e., less pure Ashkenazim) are often considered expendable.

    If this is so, the Jewish PTB probably are happy to see "impure" Jewish women fail to pass on their genes. Tribalism is circles within circles within circles.
  7. Anonymous says:

    Which of these things is not like the others?

    Single white women: 39.0
    Married white women: 61.4
    Single white men: 59.0
    Married white men: 61.0

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  8. @syonredux
    Married White women: 61.4%


    Well, I've long toyed with the idea that female suffrage should be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock....

    Well, I’ve long toyed with the idea that female suffrage should be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock…

    There’s a reason the first church in the world to give its wholehearted support to women’s suffrage was the Latter Day Saints.

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  9. Jay Fink says:

    I was surprised and pleased that Jewish support for Trump was higher than I expected (other than single women). I never would have guessed the majority of married Jewish men voted for Trump.

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  10. There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.

    I say the biggest factor in support for the Democrats is geographic location. Basically, people in big cities vote Democrat, and people in towns and small cities vote Republican. In central Washington, 4 percent of voters went for Trump, and in Manhattan it was less than 10 percent. That tells me that yuppies and bohemians sure don’t like nationalists and conservatives, regardless of their sex, age and marital status.

    Remember the tipping point for liberalism was in the mid 60s, which also happened to be the time that the majority of US citizens came to live in large cities. Also, there were plenty of single women around in the depression era, but they didn’t support the left to the degree that modern urban single women do.

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    • Replies: @JSM

    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.
     
    Well, then, why is it that all those conservative women, before they get married, can't manage to muster the numbers to outvote all those hardcore leftist women and thereby push the "single women" category majority Trump?

    If it's not marriage that makes women more conservative, it must be that conservative single women just simply don't bother to vote, and marriage is what makes them go do their civic duty.
    , @Jack Highlands
    "There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway."

    Maybe on the Cuck Right - a signature of the smarter Alt Right is not being blinded by correlation fallacy.

    At least 70% of everything important is genetic and consolidates to relatively few important personality traits, including confidence/optimism. Confident people want to succeed and reproduce, and unless they're African (two race dichotomy - Africans and Eurasians have different reproductive strategies), they recognize the benefits of marriage for that.

    'The political divide in a democracy evolves to approximate the two sides in a civil war.'

    It would be odd if the confident, victory-oriented (by personality) side in America loses to the defeatist side, but that looked certain in 2015, and it's far from over.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/d8/8b/f8d88b9a866492af438802484065a438.gif

    , @Bill

    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.
     
    Well, I suspect a few of us have watched as a woman we know well starts with views much like her husband. Gets divorced. Adopts views much like her ersatz husband (the TV). Gets married again. Adopts views much like her new husband.

    You could tell some genetic story about how the evolution of her views over her life course was pre-programmed from conception and that this evolution caused the divorce and re-marriage. But that's kind of implausible.

    OTOH, it does seem kind of likely that being a totally unmarriageable woman makes you a natural member of the coalition of the fringes. So, maybe you are right.
  11. Thomas says:

    It’s striking but compared to Romney, Trump did markedly proportionally better among blacks (tripling the share of the black vote, though this was without Obama running), gays/lesbians (I assume Orlando had something to do with this), and even Muslims (your guess is as good as mine, maybe a gender thing?). Trump halved the share of the “Single Jewish women” that went for him versus Romney. He was actually also down among Whites overall, which puts a pin a bit in the “Trump is a crypto-White Nationalist” meme.

    I don’t know if the story here is that Trump did so well as much as that Hillary cratered, and possibly the modern Democratic Party is nationally non-viable without running a black candidate.

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  12. Amasius says:

    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    “We’re not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!”

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    “We’re not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!”

    You're bang on target... but the thing about dumb people is that they are easily fooled and make poor decisions. It's tautological.

    The left know this. Their leaders may be evil satanic pedos (along with probably a good portion of Republicans), but they know the fundamental truth that idiots must be persuaded on an emotional level, and the more stupid the mark the more the argument can be a complete sham and still be effective.

    The other thing is that people with short time horizons and a dislike of work always prefer the gibsmedats now.
    , @Jack Highlands
    "Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?"

    Gibs. IOW, the welfare state.

    , @SFG
    They need welfare. You can actually get 30-40% of Latinos as a Republican because, well, some of them have jobs in the private sector.
    , @(((Owen)))

    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about?
     
    The same question the Berniebros were asking all last winter.

    But you should hear the circumlocutions the Berniebros use to avoid stating the question in such clear and unambiguous terms. At least, they'd never say it out loud like that. But you could tell they were all thinking it.
    , @Anonymous
    I seriously thought Trump would get nearly 40% of black males. This isn't crazy. On one level, it is fairly OBVIOUS that at least 40% of black males, and probably many more, like Trump, on a gut level, more than HRC. I guess the problem is that they somehow construe Trump as being "against them" and so think they must oppose him even if they prefer him.
  13. As to that video:

    “We’re reaching levels of The Bronx that shouldn’t even be possible.”

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  14. enkidusvk says:

    Very interesting.

    I have one issue, though. The black women number is 6.5 % and black men 17.3 % while for blacks combined it is 13.9 %. This is definitely not realistic, given that turnout among black women is higher than for men; even if the turnout and the number of men & women in the voting-age would have been equal, the average of 6.5 and 17.3 is only 11.9.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    A lot of the numbers seem implausibly high — Muslims most so, followed by married Jewish men. It also has Trump winning 50.6% of the total vote, which even accounting for fraud seems high.
  15. anonymous says:

    Hindus look to be very low. That sort of settles where all these wonderful Indians fall. So much for all the talk of them being conservative.

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    • Agree: Bleuteaux
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    American-Indians are too intelligent.

    High IQ is the mindkiller.
    , @Anonymous
    They are conservative, just not politically.

    I work with them and I went to school with them. NONE of my South Asian classmates came from a broken home. ALL of them were raised to understand to value hard work, obedience to the law, respect for parents and teachers. They were some of the most studious and well behaved kids in high school and later on in university. None of the ones I knew smoked weed, binge drank, partied excessively, or had casual sex.

    Now compare them to my white classmates. I live in a SWPL area so the whites in my community are smarter and have higher socioeconomic status than average whites. 20%-30% of my white classmates came from a broken home, and about 50% of the white students at university were more interested in weed, binge drinking, partying, and casual sex than they were in studying and gettting a high GPA. Compare this to about 30% of Jewish students, 10% of East Asian students, and 0% of South Asian students who behaved the same way.
  16. Maybe we’ve been too hard on the Mormons.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We have been historically, but they've shown some signs recently of going rogue.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Several years ago I was too smitten with them--well behaved, industrious middle Americans with above replacement fertility is hard not to be impressed by. Then I overreacted on account of Utah going from uber red to reliably red in an election where the color of the state actually mattered. Hopefully I've realized a Goldilocks sweet spot now!
  17. @anonymous
    Hindus look to be very low. That sort of settles where all these wonderful Indians fall. So much for all the talk of them being conservative.

    American-Indians are too intelligent.

    High IQ is the mindkiller.

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  18. neutral says:

    What is interesting about the Mormons is that the ultra cuckservative Evan McCullin was trying to get the Mormon votes in Utah to make sure that Hillary wins. Clearly that was not the correct strategy, but then looking at that graph I don’t know which demographic the cuckservatives should be targetting. They are never going to win over the core Democrat voters, but I also fail to see how they will win over the various white groups when the cuckservatives are now openly preaching how replacing the whites is a good thing. The only group the cuckservatives I can see winning is the white spy agency workers, but even that might be close because many might already be full on left winger Democrat loyalists.

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  19. slumber_j says:

    I’m delighted that you linked to that video, which I meant to indicate here. Grand Concourse and maybe 151st Street, right opposite Cardinal Hayes High School: the burning core of The Boogie-Down Bronx is what we’re looking at right here.

    It may not be in Rich Text Format, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a rich text.

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Amusingly, the overpass those guys flee to on the video is where the Metro-North trains from leafy Westchester--and maybe even Gold-Coast CT, not sure--bypass the squalor of SoBro on their way into Grand Central, by the traditional expedient of being in a ditch. We need our moats!
  20. slumber_j says:
    @slumber_j
    I'm delighted that you linked to that video, which I meant to indicate here. Grand Concourse and maybe 151st Street, right opposite Cardinal Hayes High School: the burning core of The Boogie-Down Bronx is what we're looking at right here.

    It may not be in Rich Text Format, but that doesn't mean it isn't a rich text.

    Amusingly, the overpass those guys flee to on the video is where the Metro-North trains from leafy Westchester–and maybe even Gold-Coast CT, not sure–bypass the squalor of SoBro on their way into Grand Central, by the traditional expedient of being in a ditch. We need our moats!

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    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    You know where this is by watching the video? Consider me impressed.

    So that is the Bronx. I got the feeling it wasn't in my native flyover country. I sensed diversity vibrance juju not found out on the edge of the prairie. Not in Kansas anymore.

    You have awesome commenters Steve.
  21. Anon says:
    @Daniel H
    The gap between single Jewish women and all other Jews (single men, married women, married men) is astounding. No wonder so many Jewish men are marrying Shiksas. Feminism is a disruptive ideology. You would think that the Rabbis would pass some Jewish version of a Fatwah against Feminism.

    I used to wait tables, a four top of jewish women was as close to hell on earth as it comes. So that might explain things a little as well.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    How many times did they send the food back, for which reasons?

    My wife survives lunch periodically with an old co-worker, and is embarrassed for the staff in seeing the absurd behavior of her frenemy. Imagine that the toast is not toasted to satisfaction, or that there is not quite enough dressing on the salad or any number of knee-jerk reactions demanding immediate response. Or that the correct glass for that beverage really should be a chimney with less ice, or more ice, she forgets which but it really does not matter. That is before the real fun begins with the entree dance.
  22. charlie says:

    Hindus – which is a ok proxy for Indian-Americans — (lots of Sikhs, Christians and Muslims mixed in there) went 23% for Romney, 33% for Trump.

    Given the sample size is probably too small to really draw any conclusions (less than 100).

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  23. @Whiskey
    Yes the gap between single Jewish women and all other Jewish groups is really astonishing. And yes, Jewish women face a huge barrier to finding a Jewish mate -- they are essentially unmarriagble -- with high expectations of Alphadom coupled with both less feminine desirability (generally in poor shape, little diet and exercise, little charm and much feminist aggressiveness aka shrewishness) and high number count.

    You'd think there would be a huge market for female gurus telling Jewish and non-Jewish women alike on just how to get and keep that hot Alpha man. But instead there is nothing but the equivalent of a gallon of ice cream to tell them how awesome they are with pump and dump.

    All that being said, I wonder how much of Donald Trump's relative good performance with Married White women compared to expectations (though IIRC it was LOWER than Mitt Romney, though again I could be wrong, just off memory here); was due to Hillary being just repellent in every way; compared to the "dreamboat" that the media made out of Obama?

    Populism is VERY effective with married White women looking after their kids; unfortunately that runs into the lower rates of marriage. Particularly since White women demand much higher levels of income among the beta males they settle for; as opposed to the Alphas who pump/dump them pre-Wall. Later marriage means more and harder ingrained by habit leftism.

    And yes, Jewish women face a huge barrier to finding a Jewish mate — they are essentially unmarriagble — with high expectations of Alphadom coupled with both less feminine desirability (generally in poor shape, little diet and exercise, little charm and much feminist aggressiveness aka shrewishness) and high number count.

    Oh, I don’t know; I think most Jewish ladies end up doing just fine. There are harpies among every race and ethnic group. I’ll concede that Jewish ladies may be more prone to extreme feminism, though. I’m at a loss to explain why. I find the gap between single Jewish women (11.8%) and married Jewish women (42.9%) very interesting. That’s over 30 percentage points. Marriage definitely has an effect. But I would have liked to see a larger sample size from those two groups.

    On a side note, in college I was fortunate to intimately date a fine Jewish lass. She was dirty blonde with a great figure and a fascinating pair of assets. She was from a prosperous white collar (read not doctor/lawyer) family with parents who were generally conservative. We were at State school together and dated a few weeks; don’t know what she liked about me; maybe it was my hard-charging ROTC demeanor, but she was a Fine Arts major and we shared a passion for Michelangelo’s works. Either way, we both knew a long-term relationship wouldn’t work and went our separate ways. She was fascinating. Subsequently, I’ve met/known several Jewish ladies both married and single and they were all generally pleasant. Yes, I realize this is anecdotal, but take it for what it is.

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  24. JSM says:
    @syonredux
    Married White women: 61.4%


    Well, I've long toyed with the idea that female suffrage should be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock....

    Me too. And *male* suffrage should also be restricted to those who are in a state of wedlock, since Single Men voted for Trump at only 49 percent.

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  25. JSM says:
    @unpc downunder
    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don't get married anyway.

    I say the biggest factor in support for the Democrats is geographic location. Basically, people in big cities vote Democrat, and people in towns and small cities vote Republican. In central Washington, 4 percent of voters went for Trump, and in Manhattan it was less than 10 percent. That tells me that yuppies and bohemians sure don't like nationalists and conservatives, regardless of their sex, age and marital status.

    Remember the tipping point for liberalism was in the mid 60s, which also happened to be the time that the majority of US citizens came to live in large cities. Also, there were plenty of single women around in the depression era, but they didn't support the left to the degree that modern urban single women do.

    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.

    Well, then, why is it that all those conservative women, before they get married, can’t manage to muster the numbers to outvote all those hardcore leftist women and thereby push the “single women” category majority Trump?

    If it’s not marriage that makes women more conservative, it must be that conservative single women just simply don’t bother to vote, and marriage is what makes them go do their civic duty.

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  26. Anonym says:
    @Amasius
    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    "We're not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!"

    “We’re not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!”

    You’re bang on target… but the thing about dumb people is that they are easily fooled and make poor decisions. It’s tautological.

    The left know this. Their leaders may be evil satanic pedos (along with probably a good portion of Republicans), but they know the fundamental truth that idiots must be persuaded on an emotional level, and the more stupid the mark the more the argument can be a complete sham and still be effective.

    The other thing is that people with short time horizons and a dislike of work always prefer the gibsmedats now.

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  27. snorlax says:
    @Daniel H
    The gap between single Jewish women and all other Jews (single men, married women, married men) is astounding. No wonder so many Jewish men are marrying Shiksas. Feminism is a disruptive ideology. You would think that the Rabbis would pass some Jewish version of a Fatwah against Feminism.

    A feminist fatwa against the rabbis would have more chance of success.

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  28. Anonymous says:
    @anonymous
    Hindus look to be very low. That sort of settles where all these wonderful Indians fall. So much for all the talk of them being conservative.

    They are conservative, just not politically.

    I work with them and I went to school with them. NONE of my South Asian classmates came from a broken home. ALL of them were raised to understand to value hard work, obedience to the law, respect for parents and teachers. They were some of the most studious and well behaved kids in high school and later on in university. None of the ones I knew smoked weed, binge drank, partied excessively, or had casual sex.

    Now compare them to my white classmates. I live in a SWPL area so the whites in my community are smarter and have higher socioeconomic status than average whites. 20%-30% of my white classmates came from a broken home, and about 50% of the white students at university were more interested in weed, binge drinking, partying, and casual sex than they were in studying and gettting a high GPA. Compare this to about 30% of Jewish students, 10% of East Asian students, and 0% of South Asian students who behaved the same way.

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    People sort of vote their values, and they often vote their interests, but they always will vote what makes them feel powerful. Peel back the politics, and even the culture, to where lie the perceptions of power and voting patterns become a lot easier to understand.
  29. snorlax says:
    @enkidusvk
    Very interesting.

    I have one issue, though. The black women number is 6.5 % and black men 17.3 % while for blacks combined it is 13.9 %. This is definitely not realistic, given that turnout among black women is higher than for men; even if the turnout and the number of men & women in the voting-age would have been equal, the average of 6.5 and 17.3 is only 11.9.

    A lot of the numbers seem implausibly high — Muslims most so, followed by married Jewish men. It also has Trump winning 50.6% of the total vote, which even accounting for fraud seems high.

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    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Trump gets 50.6% of the two-way vote here (to Hillary's 49.4%), not the total vote, so it's not wildly implausible (though my guess is it's probably a bit high).
  30. I was struck by he 30% gap between unmarried and married Jewish women. The sample size is small. Is there a way to get at that with a bigger sample?

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    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Eventually through accretion if Reuters keeps these tracking poll going, but we're talking about a few hundred added each day, of which 3 or 4 are Jewish.
  31. @Whiskey
    Yes the gap between single Jewish women and all other Jewish groups is really astonishing. And yes, Jewish women face a huge barrier to finding a Jewish mate -- they are essentially unmarriagble -- with high expectations of Alphadom coupled with both less feminine desirability (generally in poor shape, little diet and exercise, little charm and much feminist aggressiveness aka shrewishness) and high number count.

    You'd think there would be a huge market for female gurus telling Jewish and non-Jewish women alike on just how to get and keep that hot Alpha man. But instead there is nothing but the equivalent of a gallon of ice cream to tell them how awesome they are with pump and dump.

    All that being said, I wonder how much of Donald Trump's relative good performance with Married White women compared to expectations (though IIRC it was LOWER than Mitt Romney, though again I could be wrong, just off memory here); was due to Hillary being just repellent in every way; compared to the "dreamboat" that the media made out of Obama?

    Populism is VERY effective with married White women looking after their kids; unfortunately that runs into the lower rates of marriage. Particularly since White women demand much higher levels of income among the beta males they settle for; as opposed to the Alphas who pump/dump them pre-Wall. Later marriage means more and harder ingrained by habit leftism.

    Question: Are “Jewish Women” a homogeneous group? My sense of it is that within the “Jewish Block” there’s still a hierarchy, and the half-and-half (i.e., less pure Ashkenazim) are often considered expendable.

    If this is so, the Jewish PTB probably are happy to see “impure” Jewish women fail to pass on their genes. Tribalism is circles within circles within circles.

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  32. If I didn’t have kids and grandkids, and probably won’t live long enough to see it, I truly would wish the Blue People would get their way and push the Red People out.

    What would the USA look like if only the Blue People were left?

    Bwah-ha-ha-ha…..

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    President Camacho cares about the Republic and works as hard as he can to do what's best for the people and our future. When challenges present themselves, he considers the future and finds genuine neutral experts and carefully but critically evaluates their point of view.

    He's ten times the president that the rump Blue states would elect in the era of Hillary.
  33. @Anatoly Karlin
    Maybe we've been too hard on the Mormons.

    We have been historically, but they’ve shown some signs recently of going rogue.

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  34. @Jay Fink
    I was surprised and pleased that Jewish support for Trump was higher than I expected (other than single women). I never would have guessed the majority of married Jewish men voted for Trump.

    Never mind.

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  35. @unpc downunder
    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don't get married anyway.

    I say the biggest factor in support for the Democrats is geographic location. Basically, people in big cities vote Democrat, and people in towns and small cities vote Republican. In central Washington, 4 percent of voters went for Trump, and in Manhattan it was less than 10 percent. That tells me that yuppies and bohemians sure don't like nationalists and conservatives, regardless of their sex, age and marital status.

    Remember the tipping point for liberalism was in the mid 60s, which also happened to be the time that the majority of US citizens came to live in large cities. Also, there were plenty of single women around in the depression era, but they didn't support the left to the degree that modern urban single women do.

    “There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.”

    Maybe on the Cuck Right – a signature of the smarter Alt Right is not being blinded by correlation fallacy.

    At least 70% of everything important is genetic and consolidates to relatively few important personality traits, including confidence/optimism. Confident people want to succeed and reproduce, and unless they’re African (two race dichotomy – Africans and Eurasians have different reproductive strategies), they recognize the benefits of marriage for that.

    ‘The political divide in a democracy evolves to approximate the two sides in a civil war.’

    It would be odd if the confident, victory-oriented (by personality) side in America loses to the defeatist side, but that looked certain in 2015, and it’s far from over.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/d8/8b/f8d88b9a866492af438802484065a438.gif

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  36. Am I the only one here who has a friggin calendar?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/niall-o-dowd-why-many-irish-americans-are-turning-to-trump-1.2672018

    (BTW Russia has had no monarch for exactly a century now, not that any Russian here seems to notice)

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  37. peterike says:

    So can anybody translate the words at the start of that video?

    I guess these guys are Puerto Ricans, Dominicans? Don’t look like Mexers. I like how he says “Fazebook.”

    Is that guy wearing an American Airlines vest? Maybe he’s gonna get in trouble. Well in New York, American Airlines is very much a Hispanic airline, whereas Delta is the black airline, in terms of airport staff majority. Maybe they can have an inter-airline softball game or something. What could go wrong?

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  38. @Amasius
    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    "We're not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!"

    “Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?”

    Gibs. IOW, the welfare state.

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  39. Bill says:
    @unpc downunder
    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don't get married anyway.

    I say the biggest factor in support for the Democrats is geographic location. Basically, people in big cities vote Democrat, and people in towns and small cities vote Republican. In central Washington, 4 percent of voters went for Trump, and in Manhattan it was less than 10 percent. That tells me that yuppies and bohemians sure don't like nationalists and conservatives, regardless of their sex, age and marital status.

    Remember the tipping point for liberalism was in the mid 60s, which also happened to be the time that the majority of US citizens came to live in large cities. Also, there were plenty of single women around in the depression era, but they didn't support the left to the degree that modern urban single women do.

    There seems to be an assumption on the right that marriage makes women more conservative, but maybe a lot of these Democrat voting women don’t get married anyway.

    Well, I suspect a few of us have watched as a woman we know well starts with views much like her husband. Gets divorced. Adopts views much like her ersatz husband (the TV). Gets married again. Adopts views much like her new husband.

    You could tell some genetic story about how the evolution of her views over her life course was pre-programmed from conception and that this evolution caused the divorce and re-marriage. But that’s kind of implausible.

    OTOH, it does seem kind of likely that being a totally unmarriageable woman makes you a natural member of the coalition of the fringes. So, maybe you are right.

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  40. I’m really surprised Trump scored so badly with Hindus, India was going gaga for him. Maybe cracking down on H1B abuse is a lot less popular than extreme vetting of Muslims.

    The 28.4% share of the Muslim vote surprises me to an extent but then promises of economic growth and social conservatism vs Hillary probably swung it for some.

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  41. res says:
    @Daniel H
    The gap between single Jewish women and all other Jews (single men, married women, married men) is astounding. No wonder so many Jewish men are marrying Shiksas. Feminism is a disruptive ideology. You would think that the Rabbis would pass some Jewish version of a Fatwah against Feminism.

    I found Married Jewish Men at 58.8% Trump the most surprising of any of the demographic categories (though the point you make is a strong contender). You sure wouldn’t guess that by looking at married male Jewish pundits.

    LOL at this:

    I have no opinion on whether this is more or less accurate than the officially reported popular vote total when it comes to legitimate ballots cast by American citizens.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    The community's really liberal, and Jewish men have a reputation for being henpecked.

    Pundits are disproportionately globalist (on left and right)--you have to be to get funded. I used to read the Forward and Tablet, and the comments used to be full of right-wing commenters--both /pol/ trolls and right-wing Jews complaining about the left-wing bias of the Forward.
  42. MBlanc46 says:

    Black women. Gotta love ‘em.

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    I have a liberal relative who lives in a 99.5% white neighborhood and gated community and has as much contact with black women as I have with Sudanese nomadic tribesmen. He explained to me years ago that black women were one of the nations's great untapped and underappreciated resources. Ahh, liberals, I guess they think they know these things b/c they watch TV and therefore are intelligent. I am not sure if he ever has seen one live, or up close and personal. Can you say short tempered, violent, and a floor joist-sized chip on their shoulder?
  43. I am still laughing at that video. Everyone except bigoted racists, like Steve King, know that 250-lb black women have 130 IQs and would be brain surgeons and microbiologists except for evil racist white men like Steve King who spend every waking moment scheming of ways to keep them down. Is this Tiny Duck’s neighborhood? No? I think all democrat voters in the nation should move to this place and revel in the diversity. Yet, somehow, they prefer their 99% white/white bread utopian non-diverse neighborhoods.

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  44. @MBlanc46
    Black women. Gotta love 'em.

    I have a liberal relative who lives in a 99.5% white neighborhood and gated community and has as much contact with black women as I have with Sudanese nomadic tribesmen. He explained to me years ago that black women were one of the nations’s great untapped and underappreciated resources. Ahh, liberals, I guess they think they know these things b/c they watch TV and therefore are intelligent. I am not sure if he ever has seen one live, or up close and personal. Can you say short tempered, violent, and a floor joist-sized chip on their shoulder?

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  45. @slumber_j
    Amusingly, the overpass those guys flee to on the video is where the Metro-North trains from leafy Westchester--and maybe even Gold-Coast CT, not sure--bypass the squalor of SoBro on their way into Grand Central, by the traditional expedient of being in a ditch. We need our moats!

    You know where this is by watching the video? Consider me impressed.

    So that is the Bronx. I got the feeling it wasn’t in my native flyover country. I sensed diversity vibrance juju not found out on the edge of the prairie. Not in Kansas anymore.

    You have awesome commenters Steve.

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  46. @Anonymous
    They are conservative, just not politically.

    I work with them and I went to school with them. NONE of my South Asian classmates came from a broken home. ALL of them were raised to understand to value hard work, obedience to the law, respect for parents and teachers. They were some of the most studious and well behaved kids in high school and later on in university. None of the ones I knew smoked weed, binge drank, partied excessively, or had casual sex.

    Now compare them to my white classmates. I live in a SWPL area so the whites in my community are smarter and have higher socioeconomic status than average whites. 20%-30% of my white classmates came from a broken home, and about 50% of the white students at university were more interested in weed, binge drinking, partying, and casual sex than they were in studying and gettting a high GPA. Compare this to about 30% of Jewish students, 10% of East Asian students, and 0% of South Asian students who behaved the same way.

    People sort of vote their values, and they often vote their interests, but they always will vote what makes them feel powerful. Peel back the politics, and even the culture, to where lie the perceptions of power and voting patterns become a lot easier to understand.

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  47. SFG says:
    @Amasius
    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    "We're not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!"

    They need welfare. You can actually get 30-40% of Latinos as a Republican because, well, some of them have jobs in the private sector.

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  48. SFG says:
    @res
    I found Married Jewish Men at 58.8% Trump the most surprising of any of the demographic categories (though the point you make is a strong contender). You sure wouldn't guess that by looking at married male Jewish pundits.

    LOL at this:

    I have no opinion on whether this is more or less accurate than the officially reported popular vote total when it comes to legitimate ballots cast by American citizens.
     

    The community’s really liberal, and Jewish men have a reputation for being henpecked.

    Pundits are disproportionately globalist (on left and right)–you have to be to get funded. I used to read the Forward and Tablet, and the comments used to be full of right-wing commenters–both /pol/ trolls and right-wing Jews complaining about the left-wing bias of the Forward.

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  49. @snorlax
    A lot of the numbers seem implausibly high — Muslims most so, followed by married Jewish men. It also has Trump winning 50.6% of the total vote, which even accounting for fraud seems high.

    Trump gets 50.6% of the two-way vote here (to Hillary’s 49.4%), not the total vote, so it’s not wildly implausible (though my guess is it’s probably a bit high).

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  50. @Eric Rasmusen
    I was struck by he 30% gap between unmarried and married Jewish women. The sample size is small. Is there a way to get at that with a bigger sample?

    Eventually through accretion if Reuters keeps these tracking poll going, but we’re talking about a few hundred added each day, of which 3 or 4 are Jewish.

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  51. @Anatoly Karlin
    Maybe we've been too hard on the Mormons.

    Several years ago I was too smitten with them–well behaved, industrious middle Americans with above replacement fertility is hard not to be impressed by. Then I overreacted on account of Utah going from uber red to reliably red in an election where the color of the state actually mattered. Hopefully I’ve realized a Goldilocks sweet spot now!

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  52. @Kaz
    30% of muslims hmm

    If you were a patriotically American Moslem, maybe even a black Moslem, for whom would you vote?

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  53. @Amasius
    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    "We're not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!"

    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about?

    The same question the Berniebros were asking all last winter.

    But you should hear the circumlocutions the Berniebros use to avoid stating the question in such clear and unambiguous terms. At least, they’d never say it out loud like that. But you could tell they were all thinking it.

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  54. @dc.sunsets
    If I didn't have kids and grandkids, and probably won't live long enough to see it, I truly would wish the Blue People would get their way and push the Red People out.

    What would the USA look like if only the Blue People were left?

    Bwah-ha-ha-ha.....

    https://youtu.be/sGUNPMPrxvA

    President Camacho cares about the Republic and works as hard as he can to do what’s best for the people and our future. When challenges present themselves, he considers the future and finds genuine neutral experts and carefully but critically evaluates their point of view.

    He’s ten times the president that the rump Blue states would elect in the era of Hillary.

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  55. Anonymous says:
    @Amasius
    What the hell is with black people, seriously? Trump never said anything bad about blacks, in fact he reached out to them repeatedly, yet they voted for him less than moslems and Hispanics, groups Trump actually did say mean things about? Are they just really stupid or is there some method to the madness?

    "We're not having a hard enough time! We demand millions more Hispanics be let in to ethnically cleanse us out of our neighborhoods and take the rest of the jobs we might be able to do!"

    I seriously thought Trump would get nearly 40% of black males. This isn’t crazy. On one level, it is fairly OBVIOUS that at least 40% of black males, and probably many more, like Trump, on a gut level, more than HRC. I guess the problem is that they somehow construe Trump as being “against them” and so think they must oppose him even if they prefer him.

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    I would not be surprised to see a negative correlation between black males liking Trump and their likelihood of voting.
  56. res says:
    @Anonymous
    I seriously thought Trump would get nearly 40% of black males. This isn't crazy. On one level, it is fairly OBVIOUS that at least 40% of black males, and probably many more, like Trump, on a gut level, more than HRC. I guess the problem is that they somehow construe Trump as being "against them" and so think they must oppose him even if they prefer him.

    I would not be surprised to see a negative correlation between black males liking Trump and their likelihood of voting.

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  57. Ivy says:
    @Anon
    I used to wait tables, a four top of jewish women was as close to hell on earth as it comes. So that might explain things a little as well.

    How many times did they send the food back, for which reasons?

    My wife survives lunch periodically with an old co-worker, and is embarrassed for the staff in seeing the absurd behavior of her frenemy. Imagine that the toast is not toasted to satisfaction, or that there is not quite enough dressing on the salad or any number of knee-jerk reactions demanding immediate response. Or that the correct glass for that beverage really should be a chimney with less ice, or more ice, she forgets which but it really does not matter. That is before the real fun begins with the entree dance.

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  58. I wonder if the black woman was triggered by Steve King and his comments about white babies.

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