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From the Boston Globe:

Immigrants who change America are its lifeblood

OPINION | ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ

Alan M. Dershowitz is professor emeritus of law at Harvard Law School and author of “The Case Against Impeaching Trump.”

AUGUST 16, 2018

… When my Jewish-Polish grandparents came to America at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, many white Protestants whose forebears had been here for generations complained that these “different” immigrants were turning America into a country we don’t “know and love.” To be sure, my grandparents were different. They spoke a different language. They looked a little bit different. They were poor. They were uneducated in the ways of America. They worshiped differently. And they voted Democrat. But despite these differences, or even because of them, they, and their fellow Eastern European immigrants, loved America, and they and their descendants contributed greatly to our nation’s success in the 20th and 21st centuries.

[Laura] Ingraham’s forbearers came from Poland and Ireland. The anti-Polish and anti-Irish sentiments in this country were widespread. Discrimination against Polish and Irish immigrants was pervasive. Yet their descendants, too, have contributed significantly to the success of this great country.

Not, of course, as much of a contribution as that made by my ancestors’ descendants, such as, to pick a random example, me, Prof. Alan M. Dershowitz, Esq. But no doubt these Irish immigrants contributed so much to our culture, such as Bing Crosby’s rendition of “White Christmas,” which was — did you know? — contributed by Irving Berlin, an immigrant. And those other, more … miscellaneous immigrants no doubt also contributed something in terms of, say, tons of pig iron smelted or whatever it is that Poles are good at.

… Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied. So were some of my Irish and Polish classmates.

Not that the Irish and Poles contributed graduating first in my class or were editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, because that was — did I mention this? — me.

Now some of these same descendants of immigrants — like Laura Ingraham, Stephen Miller, and Steve Bannon — are trying to close the door to broad legal immigration because they don’t like how the current immigrants look, speak, vote, and raise their families.

What’s a little polygamy among fine Americans from Mauretania? (Did I mention that my good friends the Rothschilds liked to arrange marriages between uncle and niece?) And eunuch harem guards are a time honored custom among Mauretanian-Americans. When you stop and think about it, Mauretanian-American eunuch harem guards are Who We Are.

And if Mauretanian-American eunuch harem guards aren’t who we are, who will the peasants with pitchforks come for next: the Rothschilds?

Motte and bailey, people, motte and bailey.

It reminds me of the Russian immigrant comedian Yakov Smirnoff, who had a humorous bit in which he would be standing in front of the Statue of Liberty thanking her for welcoming him to this great country, and then, as he was leaving, he turned back to Ms. Liberty and shouted, “Now please keep the rest of those damn immigrants out.”

That Yakov Smirnoff, he’s such a card! But, seriously, he makes an important point. Our ancestors built the Statue of Liberty to commemorate the most foundational event in American history: our arrival at Ellis Island. For example, much of what you’ve heard about American history is our contribution.

Nor would “merit” immigration assure us the kinds of immigrants who would contribute significantly to our country. … When my grandparents came here, all of Eastern Europe was characterized that way, and look at what these immigrants have contributed to our country.

Did I mention all the wonderful contributions my ancestors contributed, such as me?

It is a cliché to say that we are a nation of immigrants, but the cliché is so true. … They have contributed to medicine, technology, economics, literature, law, philanthropy, and so much else. … Their children and grandchildren continue to contribute greatly to the economy and culture of this diverse country. … To be sure, some illegal immigrants, and even some legal immigrants, do not contribute to our country. But that is true as well of Mayflower descendants (our first immigrants).

 
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  1. DFH says:

    Jewish-Polish

    His ancestors were ‘Polish’ in a purely geographical sense

    • Replies: @George
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
  2. dearieme says:

    Dershowitz is compelling evidence that there is no great, intelligent, successful all-Jews conspiracy. Because if there were they’d shut the silly fellow up.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • LOL: AnotherDad
  3. Anonym says:

    I love these threads about Chaim migration. Needs more golf tho.

    Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why. Sure, Trump is innocent but what’s the motive?

  4. Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    Cool story bro.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Forbes
  5. Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    Cool story bro

  6. OT

    After paging through Titania (Whitey) McGrath’s tweets, I vote that she is a troll.

    I guess there is a possibility she is sincere, but these tweets sure don’t sound sincere.

  7. Dershowitz went to the same college as I did and at the same time but I never met him.

  8. Andrew M says:

    There’s nothing stopping them from contributing to “medicine, technology, economics, literature, law, philanthropy, and so much else” in their home countries.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  9. Tiny Duck says:

    Unless you are a Native American Black or Mexican or Asian. You are living on stolen land. The truth is that Oeopke of Color built this country and whites have done nothing but thrive and murder

    People of Color agree with this sentiment

    • Replies: @JSM
    , @Pericles
    , @Anonymous
  10. jim jones says:

    It benefits Politicians to say that all immigrants are equal. National success must then be due to the Government rather than biology

    • Replies: @L Woods
  11. Altai says:

    At some point I’d love the likes of Stephen Miller to flat out ask one of these people at a press conference why it is that 4 or 5 generations in the US these people still consider themselves to be and their collective political interests to lie with foreigners against Americans and particularly against those whose ancestors preceded their own.

    To honestly be a secular atheist Jew in current year America with pale skin and often light eyes with an ivy league education and whose last non-American born ancestors came from countries they possess no emotional connection with, (I don’t think Mr Dershowitz has much affection or competing fellow-feeling for Poland or ethnic Poles) how does one end up with such an attitude except by choice?

    Their lack of fellow-feeling or connection to America at that point has to be called out as their own fault, not America’s.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  12. MikeCLT says:

    I am not sure why the Trump team and immigration patriots in general do not reframe the immigration debate away from whether immigrants are good or bad for the US. The arguments against immigration should be twofold. One, America has always had periods of mass immigration followed by periods of very limited immigration. It has worked well for us. It is the American way of doing immigration. Second, we should reframe border security as necessary to combat opioids. This would lessen the charges of being anti immigrant.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @L Woods
  13. Paul Rain says:

    It strikes me that there is something in common between your First Law of Lady Journalists and the first commandment (‘Is it good for…’) that these people follow.

    It’s all about them.

    Now, if only our people could get on board with a little bit of that. Even if it does feel a little unseemly.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  14. Well, say what you will about who contributed what. Immigrants of Dershowitz’s grandparents’ turn of the twentieth century cohorts were white and were admitted with inspection after making a what could constructively be considered a 100 per cent commitment to abandon their respective very far away mother countries.

    There was no taxpayer funded welfare, no tax payer funded ESL, no bilingual ballots, no court interpreters save for the highest level felony cases. And no bullshit Jew legal defense teams at your beckoning call. You either made it, went back home on your own, got summarily deported for fucking up, went to prison or died an untimely death. No Money Grams, no cheap buses/flights back to the motherland, no cheap global digital communications, no Univision, no affirmative action, no bullshit–period. Naturally, large numbers of those that surmounted the aforementioned challenges, wound up as contributors instead of grifters.

  15. Tiny Duck says:

    You guys need to watch Fung bros on YouTube

    They show you what Asian men think of white make hegemony

    https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/6dhj6t/the_fung_bros_are_very_very_woke_an_analysis/

    • Replies: @Q
  16. A central insight into people who are either “visible minorities” as the Canadians call them or who have a minority mindset despite an outer White appearance, such as jews, is that they almost always emmbrace liberal politics for ethnocentric reasons. Watch what they do when they are in the majority in their own country for what their natural instincts are.

  17. slumber_j says:

    It reminds me of the Russian immigrant comedian Yakov Smirnoff, who had a humorous bit

    Use of the word “humorous” is one way deeply unfunny people notify us that they aren’t funny.

  18. slumber_j says:

    In America, you yell at statue. In Russia, statue yells at you!!!!!!

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    , @International Jew
  19. A Marxist would read “Immigrants who change America are its lifeblood” as an indictment of a system that nourishes itself by ruthlessly sucking the vital juices out of a recurring crop of fresh victims.

    In promoting immigrants over residents, Jews such as Dershowitz show that they can’t imagine the possibility that someday they too may not be on top, that the system could cycle them through, inexorably chewing them up and turning them into fertilizer.

  20. Barnard says:

    But that is true as well of Mayflower descendants (our first immigrants).

    You have to figure that when Dershowitz’s grandparents came to America if an applicant to Harvard Law had called the Pilgrims our first immigrants they would have denied his application. Are we too far gone for the general public to understand the difference between an immigrant and a settler again?

  21. Hhsiii says:
    @slumber_j

    Just by coincidence Moscow on the Hudson was on tv last night, and Smirnoff had a bit part. Robin Williams seemed to be doing a Smirnoff impression.

    Without Dershowitz who’d have gotten son of a nazi collaborator Claus Von Bulow’s murder conviction overturned? A job Americans just wont do.

    Evidently Dershowitz didn’t apply to Fried Frank, Skadden Arps or Proskauer Rose when he was graduating law school. Although I guess Proskauer and Skadden aren’t or weren’t Wall Street firms. I mean, Goldman Sachs had law firms working for them, no? Or maybe German Jews blackballing polish Jews as late as 1960?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  22. Replace the poem on the statue with demography is destiny. I know Alan understands this concept from reading his books, it’s unfortunate he’s selective in applying it in his writings.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
  23. The rationale of pro-immigration romantics whether they’re Jewish (like Dershowitz, Brett Stephens, Madeleine Albright, Masha Gessen et al), Irish (like the Kennedys or Nick Gillespie) or Hispanic (like Jim Acosta) seems to go something like this:

    “Immigration is how my ancestors came to America. Most of my ancestors would never have met (or even existed) were it not for the willingness of past American generations to admit copious numbers of immigrants. I therefore have a moral obligation to immigrant descendants that don’t yet exist to support all future immigration without limitation because the failure to do so invalidates my own existence retrospectively. Therefore, if the rest of the country wishes to validate the legitimacy of my existence, they must support the same immigration policies that I am obliged to support.”

    I’ve been toying (strictly for giggles) with applying this idiotic logic to the other great Third Rail issue of American history, namely slavery. Imagine turning to someone like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton and saying:

    “African Americans are, with the exception of a few exotics like Obama, descended from slaves. Without slavery, your ancestors would never have been able to immigrate to our great nation. As such, your existence is a result of the African slave trade. Because we value you so highly for the vibrancy and diversity you have brought us, we must therefore celebrate slavery and in order to truly celebrate it in a manner that morally validates your existence, we must establish a new expeditionary force to go to Africa and revive the Transatlantic slave trade. Slavery is who we are!!!”

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  24. eded says:

    Isn’t it hypocritical for the descendants of Ellis Island era immigrants to decry immigration restriction when they and their ancestors benefitted from the immigration moratorium of 1924?

    Dershowitz’s poor immigrant ancestors almost certainly benefited form the tightened labor market that occurred between 1925 and 1965. Now that he and his family members are entrenched in the upper middle and upper class he doesn’t want to return the favor to the recent wave of immigrants who benefit from greater immigration restriction and the tightened labor market that would result.

    This hypocrisy should be pointed out more frequently.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Jack D
  25. b5793637 says:

    Is this Dershowitz trying to get back into good graces with a few weeks of summer remaining on Martha’s Vinyard?

  26. Polynikes says:

    I’m assuming that if Mr. Dershowitz is OK with listing the benefits of immigration, then he’s similarly fine with immigration restrictionists point out all the ills of immigration and the bad qualities certain immigrants bring?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  27. bjondo says:

    Dershowitz example of why a wall would be good replacement for That Statue with the ludicrous, “poem”.
    Emigration can also be a healthy change for a country.
    Empty a country of its pointless, useless, disastrous imbeciles and traitors: Wolfowitzes, Kristols, Perles, Cheneys, Cuomos, Hagees, Behars, Harvard Business professors, many aircraft carriers more.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  28. Tank says:

    Clueless.

    Sad, really.

    Perfect illustration of how people can be bright in some areas and clueless in others.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  29. Anon[546] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The Pursuit of Blondness
    Modern hair-coloring technology has allowed people to dye their hair virtually any shade. So why is one hue in particular so popular?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/08/the-pursuit-of-blondness/567688/

    Why Blonde Privilege Is Real, From Barbie to the White House

    https://www.vogue.com/article/claudia-rankine-john-lucas-stamped-blonde-hair-color-race-brooklyn-new-york

    Two female journalists, one an Asian with blonde streaks*; a bad-hair black artist-poet-McA genius; and a bald, white male photographer. Are blondess and race connected? Blondness and Republicanism? Can PoC go blonde, or is it race treason?

    * The topic just won’t die. You may remember this one also from iSteve a few weeks back:
    Why So Many Asian-American Women Are Bleaching Their Hair Blond

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/fashion/why-are-so-many-asian-american-women-bleaching-their-hair-blond.html

  30. Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    Uh, rejected for unsuitable personality or unsuitable character?

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @ThreeCranes
  31. …many white Protestants whose forebears had been here for generations complained that these “different” immigrants were turning America into a country we don’t “know and love.”

    Many of the immigrants the New York Times features, e.g. Sarah Jeong, clearly don’t know or love America, as they delight in letting us know at every opportunity. Dershowitz seems to be saying that we may not know and love the country he and his ilk are turning this country into, but trust him, it’s better.

    …trying to close the door to broad legal immigration because they don’t like how the current immigrants look, speak, vote, and raise their families.

    What chutzpah! We know damn well that if immigrants voted 70+ percent Republican, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi would be screaming for an immigration moratorium as well as a razor-wire topped border wall surrounded by a minefield and shark-filled moat. This is all about attaining permanent political power, the Democratic Party becoming like Mexico’s Institutional Revolutionary Party. Trump has put that demographic inevitability off 10 years or so and the left is screaming like stuck pigs.

  32. Israeli Men have old tired blood…Israel must import young Nigerian Legal Immigrant Males for Israeli Women….so Israel can renew itself with young new vigorous blood.

    • LOL: KenH
  33. Hubbub says:

    Dershowitz is certainly full of himself – without Jews the United States would not have progressed so far so quickly – without immigration the United States would still be a rustic country of little import. It’s amazing that the Anglo-Saxon juggernaut Great Britain did so well for a few centuries before it, too, was inundated with masses of aliens, and an idiotic philosophy. Immigration did not make America great; America with its ideals made many immigrants great.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Corvinus
  34. Jack D says:

    Is there any difference between Dershowitz and Dominguez? Any? They are both immigrant families.

    Once you intentionally blind yourself to HBD issues, there aren’t any, so if yesterday’s Dershowitz can graduate 1st in his class at Yale, then why can’t tomorrow’s Dominguez?

    This is how the game is played. It’s rigged in advance. The ground rules of the game are “Any mention of HBD is racist and off limits.” The immigration advocate then compares A to B and they are identical. If you rebut by mentioning HBD you automatically lose because you are a racist. If you don’t mention it, then you lose because you can’t give any reason why Dominguez will turn out different from Dershowitz. Heads I win, tails you lose.

    The comparison is particularly ridiculous when comparison group A is Ashkenazi Jews. Askenazi Jews are an outlier group – one of the very few natural experiments in eugenic breeding in all of history. If you think that future immigrant groups are going to turn out like the Ashkenazi Jews (2% of population, 20+% of Nobel Prize winners) you are going to be sorely disappointed. What are the odds that among all the millions of Dominquez’s crossing the border there is even one Dershowitz hidden among them?

  35. George says:
    @DFH

    “His ancestors were ‘Polish’ in a purely geographical sense”

    They were officially invited by Kasimir the Great, and the laws of the Polish Empire were amended to legitimate the Jewish immigrants. So they were Polish citizens in the political sense. I am no expert but that invitation was not offered to other huddled masses yearning to breathe free (in Warsaw) and google search does not reveal any medieval Dershowitz demanding that anyone else be given the same deal.

    It is also not clear to me that the typical person living in the area today called Poland regarded themselves as Polish or that Kasimir the Great regarded them as Polish people, more like they were regarded as Polish property. Checking old maps you will see places like Silesia that never made nation-state status, but if things had worked out differently they might have. While people like to talk about the poor treatment of Poland by the world powers, during the time of Kasimir the Great the plan was for Poland to be the dominant world power.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_III_the_Great#Relationship_with_Polish_Jews

  36. Jack D says:
    @Barnard

    Immigrants are better than settlers. Settlers are what they have on the West Bank. Settlers displace the aboriginal population.

    • Replies: @JSM
  37. The matter is simple for me. I appreciate anything that anyone contributes to the country. But the idea that foreigners are its lifeblood to innovation is false. US citizens are and remain a vibrant staple of US life because of the very nature of the environment bred by pioneers.

    And that some foreigners have arrived and been creative may vary well be a testaent to the environment they were permitted to thrive in.

    Which begs the contention — the costs of depriving creative opportunity by denying citizens access by undercutting them for foreign cheap labor or opportunity. I prefer to look at the entire pie. How many citizens were deprived of opportunity and in fact made to be cripples because the system undercut them by taking in foreigners .

    I would love to consider just how healthier we would be by formatting our own family members Sure let’s consider Miss Igraham, I like smart talented woen — and let’s face long legs But she is also among those bands of men and women who pushed for wars we not have engaged. She also among those bands of men and women who have yet to stand before the US service men and decry her advocacy for such obvious error.

    So one could just as easily contend that had her grandparents been kept out the country, one less influential voice advocating for a disastrous policy might have averted the matter.

    I would only add that trying to equate the immigration policy of times past to today is just sleight of hand manipulation of the truth regarding immigration’s polity and impact.

    Laughing,

    no doubt immigrants change the country

    Take a ride to Northern Mexico city formerly known as Los Angeles.

  38. L Woods says:
    @MikeCLT

    Yes, keep buying into the enemy’s frame. It’s been working great for the past half century.

  39. @Anonymouse

    Wow, thanks for contributing your Alan Dershowitz story.

  40. George says:

    “Now please keep the rest of those damn immigrants out.”

    The point of that argument is that it is permissible for Labor to make demands based on their self-interests just like Capital can argue against a national wealth tax (like a real estate tax but based on the assessed value of everything you claim to own, and even sheltered abroad) without being called greedy capitalists, atleast not in state-controlled media.

  41. U-Bahn says:
    @Anonym

    “Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why.”

    Trump team may have 8×10 glossies, film or other evidence from the Lolita Express trips, thereby gaining some leverage and cooperation from the good Emeritus spawn of immigrants. There is much to be gained from owning a malefactor to control the message instead of letting said malefactor continue to perpetrate.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  42. @slumber_j

    Haha, you’re paraphrasing a great joke I wish I could recall…can you help?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    , @snorlax
  43. Altai says:
    @Anon

    Natural adult blonde hair is vanishingly rare in the US and getting rarer. So rare that any such ‘blonde privilege’ is of little cost to the non-privileged. (Blonde Becky can only tie down one high status male at a time and their blondness is just one aspect of physically attractiveness) Perhaps they mean the privilege of ‘blonde passing’ for women who can get away with dyeing their hair and it not looking like a dye-job? Or maybe they can’t get past high school and childhood when there were a non-trivial number of still naturally blonde Beckys they learned to resent when they were awkward teenagers?

    I would say eye colour is an area where the costs of the ‘non-privileged’ are more significant. Imagine living in a vibrant part of the country with lots of dark eyed Hispanics, Asians and increasingly brown-eyed whites and you see a pair of bright blue eyes. They are still rare (In most major coastal cities) but a lot more common than natural blonde hair. And unlike blonde hair, encourage eye contact.

    Re: Women who don’t look like they’d be a natural blonde dyeing their hair blonde, it always looks much worse to me for what’s it’s worth.

    • Replies: @Q
  44. OT: Gender Is a Construct—Except When It’s Not by Heather Mac Donald

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/gender-construct-16117.html

  45. Dershowitz is making an economic argument for demographically annihilating-exterminating the Historic Native Born White Christian American Working Class Majority. The Alt Right rejects this outright for there is no economic argument for doing this….for the economic argument at its core is an argument for demographic genocide. Do the Israelis make a economic argument for having themselves demographically replaced with Preet Bharara’s people for India?

    WW2 wasn’t worth it to save Alan Dershowitz’s Israelie Fifth Column ass…it just wasn’t…

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  46. MG says:

    The great ‘contributions’ of Indian immigrants to Silicon Valley are overcrowding, H-1B visa scams, lousy restaurants, and bad driving. Other than that they’re great. From his mansion and his Mercedes sedan, Dersh doesn’t have to deal with any of this.

    • Replies: @Brady
    , @Peasant
  47. “My immigrant ancestors escaped the Holocaust by leaving Poland well ahead of time, in the late 19th century. My great-grandfather arrived with only eight dollars in his pocket. Also $20,000 in diamonds shoved up his tuchus, but that was barely enough to buy an apartment building and a very, VERY small textile factory.

    Anyway, the WASPs who were already here said, ‘Boy, there sure are a lot of immigrants these days, but these Dershowitz people are especially awful. Oh well, as long as their kids don’t try to get into Yale.’

    However, I did go to Yale, where I was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal if I didn’t mention that before. Nevertheless, I did experience antisemitism at Yale, mostly from the Jewish editors of the Yale Record, who did not accept any of my quite humorous anecdotes for publication.

    Later on, while defending an immigrant striver from the hard edge of Newport accused of murder, I took a side job writing bits for legendary comic Yakov Smirnoff, so who got the last laugh?

    Ergo, we need more immigrants. I rest my case, your honor. (That’s legal talk. Did I mention I was editor in chief of…)

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @Anonymous
  48. AndrewR says:
    @Altai

    Low-T Miller is too busy denouncing that meany-pants poophead Richard Spencer to do that.

  49. dearieme says:
    @Barnard

    “Are we too far gone for the general public to understand the difference between an immigrant and a settler again?”

    A distinction without a difference. A mere play on words.

  50. DFH says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    a 100 per cent commitment to abandon their respective very far away mother countries.

    The majority of American Jews never abandoned their commitment to their nation

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  51. AndrewR says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    WTF? You make taxpayer-funded ESL classes seem like a bad thing. If we are going to have any immigration at all we must maximize their ability to learn English ASAP. This is a no-brainer.

  52. bjondo says:
    @PiltdownMan

    rejected for unsuitable personality or unsuitable character

    both plus incompetent.

    The OJ legal team didnt want him in court but he had a known name so he appeared via tv.

    So Ive been told.

    Fits in at Harvard with the other high profile, good test taking incompetents.

  53. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @dearieme

    Or maybe they let Dershowitz blather on because that is what they want you to think.

  54. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Anonym

    Trump is a friend of Netanyahu.

    • Replies: @Realist
  55. @FactsAreImportant

    That Emmeline Pankhurst looks as though she could have been Jimi Hendrix’s mother.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  56. unit472 says:

    What Dershowitz and other immigration advocates forget is that while the US is physically the same size it was in 1900 only two states then had more than 5 million people. New York with 7,268,000 and at a close number two, Pennsylvania with 6,302,000. California had fewer than 1.5 million, Florida just over 500,000 and Texas 3,048,000. Nevada only had 42,000. Obviously the US had room for more people.

    Today California has close to 40 million residents and as housing prices, traffic, water shortages and fires are showing, it has reached the limits of what the state can reasonably accommodate. Texas and Florida with populations approaching 25 million are also at the point where more people create a negative impact on the quality of life of those already there.

    If we are too accept any further immigration it should be in the low thousands and limited to those with talents and skills in demand not uneducated third world migrants.

  57. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    @Anonymouse

    I’m a producer for Tucker Carlson Tonight. We’d like to interview you live on tonight’s show about Alan Dershowitz. Please call me ASAP at 212-555-5555.

    Tabitha Quincy

  58. @Jack D

    I love to read about how smart us full-blooded Ashkies are, gives me a warm feeling all over. Thanks mom & dad. Fires me up to get back to my work, high powered readings of Plato’s dialogues. I have 2 out being refereed (“The grammatical puzzles of Socrates’ Last Words” and “The storyline of Plato’s Protagoras“). The working title of the one in progress is “καλῶς λέγεσθαι in Plato’s Meno.” Being an outlier Ashkie is a gift that keeps on giving.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  59. The Z Blog says: • Website

    These guys can’t help themselves. It really is a compulsion. Notice their preferred language. “Immigrants who change America…” is by default a good thing. No one seeks to change things they like. We saw the same language with Obama’s hope and change tour. He wanted to “transform” the country, never bothering to say into what. That was never important. What mattered is the bad present was going to be demolished.

    The academy is soaked in this sort of language. Feminists “scholars” are always writing about how they seek to disrupt and transform something. It’s the language of outsiders who have no interest in joining, only in destroying and subverting. Dershowitz is superficially selling open borders. What he is really selling is a bone-deep hatred of what’s left of heritage America.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  60. anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s remarkable how few noteworthy Polish Americans there are when 10 million people self-reported as Polish according to the census. Can just think of Martha Stewart.

    Also very little cultural impact. Season 2 of the Wire was only time any product of media centered on a Polish American community. Contrast that to Italians and Irish. Shouldn’t give Dershowitz such a hard time if can’t name any Polish accomplishments.

  61. JSM says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Since you’ve told us you’re White, that means GET YOUR BUTT OUT! you stolen-land-liver-on-er.

  62. Lugash says:
    @Anon

    So much mental and emotional labor is spent, yet they never really get to the real reason: Blonde hair attracts attention from men.

    Maybe we can start an artificial blonde shaming meme? Quit appropriating white culture!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  63. @Anon

    It’s not just blonde hair dye.

    Skin lightening products are a multi-billion dollar industry across Latin America, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.

    Turn on any major network TV channel in those regions and you are guaranteed to see at least one or two ads for skin lightening products in any given hour.

    I wonder why that is…

  64. @Anon

    People cherish blondness because many adult brunettes began life as blonde babies.

    (It might have been) Konrad Lorenz who drew attention to the similarity in facial structure of baby dogs, cats, rabbits etc. All had a characteristically concave, dished-out face between forehead and snout, short snout, large eyes in comparison to size of face etc. In other words, markers for infancy which, he hypothesized, set them off as inappropriate targets for adult aggression.

    Blondness falls in the same category. Not blacks or orientals, but Europeans may be hard wired to cherish blondness because it evokes that protective response towards the innocent infant that they once were.

  65. Anon[439] • Disclaimer says:

    The biggest supporters of Israel are organizations like the ADL and foreign ethnics like Dershowitz. Shouldn’t conservatives strategically withdraw support from Israel, hurting those groups in the process and weakening their ability to control our narrative? But then again, conservatives have never been especially intelligent.

    “Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why. Sure, Trump is innocent but what’s the motive?”

    Israel. Trump is owed one for moving the embassy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Anon
  66. @Paul Rain

    It’s all about them.

    This has a pretty much always been the case with “Cultural Marxism,” i.e. that heterogeneous hodgepodge of Leftist identity issues. “Who?-Whom?” and “the coalition of the fringes” are cognate concepts. With the very rare exception of a few doctrinaire ideologues, these movements are driven entirely by self-interest, including the emotional self-interest of affect compensation.

    That, in and of itself, does not make them wrong; after all, self-interest is what politics is about. The curious fact is that—heretofore and, for the most part, still—they feel the need to cloak their self-interest in high-minded conceptions of human rights and appeals to the law. This strategy has worked well in the past but it cannot work forever. As the reputation of the law and the so-called sanctity of human rights become more and more diminished by repeated compromises with naked self-interest, and especially as the economic pie shrinks relative to the number of claimants, we are getting visibly nearer the point when it all becomes a meaningless and threadbare exercise in word-juggling. Self-interest, of course, will always remain, but it will not always be the case that being a mulatto Muslim lesbian feminist vegetarian (intersectional Pokemon points) will serve as a credible vehicle for the advancement of that interest.

    There is a related point that I have long been wanting to mention. Such Leftist identity issues, including a fortiori the crucial issue of immigration, are, when discussed as to their political ramifications, almost always situated within a context of electoral outcomes, specifically the extension of the franchise. “These immigrants will vote Democrat and once they become a majority we will never win an election again,” is a commonly heard refrain. But I have to ask, what is the use of worrying about elections? Will anyone feel bound by the results of an election so obviously at odds with the interests of a fragmented public? Does real political power reside in a franchise, especially one so diluted by the addition of disengaged non-citizens? Will we even have elections at all under those circumstances? The answers are not as certain as the tone of discussion often implies.

    The domestic political arrangement supervenes on the immigration problem. That is to say, there is no way that we can maintain the status quo and not have massive amounts of immigration. And that is to say, if we wish to stop immigration, we must make some rather drastic changes in how this country operates both economically and politically. Nothing short of a complete reset of the social compact is going to make much difference. We not only have to get control of industry, of the money supply, and of the debt, but we must also revise the vestiture of authority in such a manner that it no longer includes a popular franchise, and that means closing the books on “democracy” and the last two and a half centuries of Enlightenment thinking.

    Necessary, but no mean feat. Possible, but hitherto unexplored. Yet until we have some workable plan for bringing about these changes, the rest of it all is just ineffective complaining. The development of such a plan must be given the highest priority.

  67. Why are Jews always so obsessed with WASPs or Protestants? They do realize Catholics generally have a more negative opinion of them, right? My Catholic grandparents always openly discussed Jewish ethnic networking and how they got a leg up in starting businesses in our area. The Protestant side of my family (though I wouldn’t call them WASPs) doesn’t even recognize Jewish last names or know much about them at all. They probably have no idea that Jews are over-represented in media either. They are pro-Israel though not as fanatic as some (there are some charismatic non-denominational churches around here that bizarrely fly the Israeli flag).

    WASPs are even more pro-Israel/all things Jewish. Unless they are really really far to the left.

  68. Bugg says:

    If Dershowitz wants to restore the legal sponsorship of legal immigrants, let’s talk about that. When my grandparents came in the 1920s, they were sponsored by relatives who signed off that they would support and they would not go on the dole.But again, immigration proponents do not want that, they want free, unfettered illegals with Americans getting no say at all. Perhaps Professor Dershowitz and others like him should step up and sponsor a few Somalis or Mexicans in their their own homes and at their own expense.

  69. @Jack D

    I work in Palo Alto, on the Stanford campus, in fact. I see Hispanics in Palo Alto all over the place, working in one capacity or another. I see them as patients in the Hospitals and as CNA’s and housekeeping staff. Where I don’t see them, with few exceptions, is in any high-skilled positions. Hispanics have been here in California for decades, centuries; and now they are even the majority of the population. Is there a single successful high-tech start-up that was founded by an American of Mexican descent? I can’t think of a single one, and I’m including white Hispanics. Other people have to notice this fact and know deep down it has very little to do with discrimination against them.

  70. JSM says:
    @Jack D

    mmigrants are better than settlers. Settlers are what they have on the West Bank. Settlers displace the aboriginal population.

    Nah, they’re WORSE. If displacing aboriginal populations is a sin, as you say, then immigrants are guilty of the sin of knowingly receiving stolen goods — and then smugly decrying the original displacers. Which is what makes it worse, cuz it’s continuing the original theft, with hypocrisy piled on top.

  71. Hubbub says:

    …trying to close the door to broad legal immigration because they don’t like how the current immigrants look, speak, vote, and raise their families.

    Good reasons, all, I should say. What better reasons does one need?

  72. Corvinus says:
    @FactsAreImportant

    She, or he, is the white, or black, or biracial, version of our favorite troll, Godfrey Elfwick.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  73. Gunner says:

    Sorry Al, but all the Mexican humping in the world isn’t going to make lefties like you again. SJWs would personally murder every Mexican in the world to impeach Trump.

  74. @dearieme

    You forget the tendency of the evil but protected to rub their victim’s noses in it.

    Dershowitz doesn’t see how is protection is evaporating rapidly.

  75. Corvinus says:
    @Hubbub

    “Dershowitz is certainly full of himself – without Jews the United States would not have progressed so far so quickly – without immigration the United States would still be a rustic country of little import.”

    Indeed, he is conceited, but in a similar way such as Alt Right leaders like John Derbyshire or Vox Day.

    “It’s amazing that the Anglo-Saxon juggernaut Great Britain did so well for a few centuries before it, too, was inundated with masses of aliens, and an idiotic philosophy.”

    Great Britain was a mix of Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Normans, Celts, and Romans. An ethnic stew that melded into a group.

    “Immigration did not make America great; America with its ideals made many immigrants great.”

    Actually, those ideals were founded and expanded upon by immigrants.

  76. Merema says:

    Not enough is being done to deport illegal immigrants even under Trump. The cost of staying in America if illegal should be higher so they can leave on their own…i.e. self deport.

    The way to go is to confiscate any assets illegal immigrants have, including cars, house, bank accounts. That will get them to sell or take their assets and leave so at least they will have some money when they go back home rather than risk loosing their assets.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  77. Corvinus says:
    @Polynikes

    “I’m assuming that if Mr. Dershowitz is OK with listing the benefits of immigration, then he’s similarly fine with immigration restrictionists point out all the ills of immigration and the bad qualities certain immigrants bring?”

    Indeed! From Alt Right leader Vox Day…The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965. Interesting. Basically, a specific group of whites, in this case European, who were deemed undesirable, which then opened up the floodgates to other “alien” Europeans to invade our shores.

    Praytell, which (undesirable) ethnic group are you from, Polynikes?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Polynikes
    , @Peasant
  78. SF says:

    Here is a not too off topic story about an Iraqi terrorist who was admitted to the US as a refugee.

    https://www.kron4.com/news/california/who-is-omar-ameen-the-alleged-isis-fighter-living-in-sacramento-/1380945478

  79. @PiltdownMan

    A coupla years ago I was flying abroad and found myself sitting in the ticket-holding only waiting area in JFK when a troop of those Jewish guys who wear sombreros, black robes and ringlets down their temples came in and took up residence in the area I was sitting. One particularly large specimen sat right next to me. (He had sandy, reddish hair, so this isn’t a diatribe about southern Mediterranean types.)

    Anyway, we’d been there about an hour when he decided it was time to eat. He began pulling stuff out of his bag and chowing down. He wolfed his food. He shoved it in his mouth, gave it three quick chews and swallowed it down. Did I mention that he was not really grossly overweight, but still fairly obese? A roll, some kind of cold macaroni type salad and a piece of pie for dessert, all were given the same perfunctory treatment. He didn’t savor a bite. Grunting in time with his mastication, his manners were abominable.

    When done, he stood up, reached back and pulled his bloomers out of the crack of his ample ass where they were stuck. Barf. Took his garbage over to the waste can while I bolted. Just grabbed my bag and left for anywhere, it didn’t matter where as long as I didn’t have to smell and hear him gobble his food.

    If I were a dues-paying member of a country club or working in a white-shoe banking or law firm I wouldn’t want to share a lunch room with a person such as this–and he was some sort of a holy dude in the Jewish religion, supposedly an exemplar of the type!

    Sorry Alan, it wasn’t as much about what your Jewishness denoted as what it connoted.

    • Replies: @Anon
  80. Corvinus says:
    @eded

    “Isn’t it hypocritical for the descendants of Ellis Island era immigrants to decry immigration restriction when they and their ancestors benefitted from the immigration moratorium of 1924?”

    Absolutely. A point I made before, along with this political cartoon.

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-05/anti-immigrant-political-movement-sparked-election-day-riot-150-years-ago

  81. @Jack D

    “What are the odds that among all the millions of Dominquez’s crossing the border there is even one Dershowitz hidden among them?”

    Oh, I don’t know, but if forced at gunpoint to set the odds I’d go with something on the order of about the same chance a bear will knock on your door and politely request the use of your toilet facilities.

  82. @Jack D

    What are the odds that among all the millions of Dominquez’s crossing the border there is even one Dershowitz hidden among them?

    We should have been praying that out of all the hundreds of thousands of Jews who came through Ellis Island, there weren’t any Dershowitzes among them.

    Or maybe guaranteeing it.

  83. ChrisZ says:
    @Anonym

    My guess is that Dershowitz is auditioning to be Trump’s defense attorney in a hypothetical, high-publicity impeachment procedure. It’s been more than 20 years since he helped defend O.J., more than 30 since he defended Von Bulow.

    This is his fetish: to ostentatiously defend (in a strictly legal sense) some reviled figure, so he can show his moral superiority.

    Dershowitz always makes a big deal about how he himself reviles the person he’s defending, but that this very fact proves how principled and disinterested he is. Notice that with the present op-ed (which must have taken him all of 20 minutes to write) he condemns the signature issue of Trump’s rise to office.

  84. Jack D says:
    @eded

    Maybe immigration should be thought of like a meal. It’s good to eat, but if you eat all the time, you’ll become obese and die. American works best when there are waves of immigration – you allow a bunch of immigrants in and then close the gates for a while so America can digest the meal, and then 40 years later you are ready for another meal. Maybe rather than changing our immigration laws permanently, we can declare a 40 year moratorium so that America can digest its most recent meal, which has been a really big one.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  85. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    I once did a back of the envelope calculation. Can’t remember all the details or if I’m totally correct, but here goes: at an IQ of 85, black America would need a population equivalent to China’s just to have as many geniuses (IQ +140) as America does now at a population of ~300 million. So obviously, immigrating large numbers of these people into our civilization will be very bad for us as they aren’t likely to contribute much while also taking disproportionately from the public trust. Granted, most immigrants for the time being aren’t black…but I don’t think that will last with Africa’s population growth and the impending permanent one-party state coming in.

    Immigrants aren’t the Irish, and even if they were, it wouldn’t matter. The only salient fact here is that immigrants and their children don’t vote republican, regardless of cognitive ability; immigrants could be, on average, incredibly intelligent and law-abiding, and it wouldn’t make any difference. The more of them that are present in our country, the less political power and freedoms we’ll have.

    They’ll vote to take away gun our rights, vote into power radical leftists who’ll crash the economy a la Venezuela with redistributionist policies, they’ll use the power of the government to harass religious Christians (that baker is under attack again), the government will be pitted against us (IRS scandal under Obama and Hussein forcing Southern schools to admit boys into girl’s bathrooms by withholding federal funds), they’ll oppress us with thought crimes laws, they’ll use the establishment to inundate our movies and other entertainment with a near-constant stream of propaganda, they’ll continue rigging society at all levels against us – college admissions, government contracts, government jobs, etc. They are already doing much of this.

    Ever wonder how it is that Hollywood, Marvel Comics, and game companies like Electronic Arts have screwed up so royally as of late with gender-bending, politically correct disasters? It’s because they sense a sea change in political power coming due to demographics. They want to be on the new master’s good side when s/he gets here. Thus, PC has gotten way out of hand…and it will get much worse if this isn’t stopped.

    Don’t kid yourself. If most immigrants, legal and illegal, were white Russians, the border would be closed by now and the government would be checking houses door to door. This is about political power; it’s a slow motion coup against our people, pure and simple.

    A good example of our immediate future is, unexpectedly, Colorado – a formerly conservative state that voted for George W. Bush, if I recall. Colorado, once a nice Midwestern values state, has been inundated with Hispanic and leftist white immigrants fleeing California (liberals, like viruses, never learn; they just spread to another host when done). That has empowered leftists to a degree that they can now use the government as a personal club against their conservative enemies. Not only did Colorado insanely try to rip away that baker’s religious freedom by trying to force him to make products against his will, these freaks are back at it again with transgenders; funny how Muslim and gay bakers are never harassed in the same way. This is a blatant attempt by the government there to deprive a man of his rights via lawfare – a state with nearly unlimited resources is trying to drive a man out of business just because he isn’t in their coalition of the fringes.

    THAT is your future. Say the wrong thing in public or hold the wrong belief, and get destroyed – either through leftist control of the media or by a left-wing government drunk with power and believing that they are untouchable due to demographics.

    Except things will be much worse than Colorado. Gun rights? Gone. Religious rights? Gone. Freedom of speech? Gone – redefined as “hate speech” and driven off the internet and out of the public space. Good economy? Gone – redistributed to fringe coalition members via social programs designed specifically to take money away from whites and give it to nonwhites…who knows, maybe one day white property will be stolen without compensation just as South Africa is about to do now (seen that on the news lately?). Banks may even deny you loans due to political beliefs; it’s already happened in Europe. Companies could deny conservatives jobs (remember the Mozilla board member who had to resign under Obama due to him donating to the wrong political cause?).

    Our monuments will inevitably be torn down by leftist vermin. That’s what the Georgia democrat gubernatorial candidate wants, that’s what nearly the whole controlled media wanted just a few years ago; Slate even wrote an article entitled “Blow Up Mount Rushmore.”

    You’d have to be an utter fool to not see where this is headed. It’s common sense. More immigrants equals fewer rights for us and a permanent majority for them, all legitimized through the fig leaf of democratic elections – their outcomes all more-or-less predetermined. That’s why the controlled media supports it. Period.

    Dershowitz is simply an old man attempting to run out the clock with platitudes. Unfortunately, it may work because conservatives don’t have the nerve to do what’s necessary to fight back.

  86. David JW says:

    Some would argue the Ashkenazi contribution to the US has been largely negative.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  87. @bjondo

    “That Statue”

    “La Liberté Éclairant le Monde” or “Liberty Enlightening the World” is the official name given to the Statue the Liberty by sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi and is a symbol of freedom to the entire world.

    Statue of Liberty History – Statue of Liberty Facts
    http://www.nyctrip.com/Pages/1143/Statue

    • Replies: @bjondo
  88. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    “Maybe we can start an artificial blonde shaming meme? Quit appropriating white culture!”

    Didn’t that Rolling Stone writer already try that? Her story about that Virginia rape hoax opened by describing blonde males, if I recall. In any case, Whites are generally good people. We don’t really care whether or not other ethnic groups dye their hair. It’s nothing to us, but seemingly everything to our racist enemies.

  89. @celt darnell

    Well Street know you can’t really trust Yalies to not mess things up.

  90. istevefan says:
    @Corvinus

    Quit anointing our leaders and then using their words to make your argument. If you wish to look at a person held in the highest regard by the Right, look at none other than George Washington and the words of the First Naturalization Act he personally signed into law in 1790.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  91. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonym

    Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why. Sure, Trump is innocent but what’s the motive?

    Political protection?

    http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

  92. Polynikes says:
    @Corvinus

    You’ve got your timeline quite confused, especially regarding Germans.

    But if you don’t think Irish and Italian (two groups who have largely assimilated) immigration changed the politics of the country, then you don’t know your history very well.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  93. @DFH

    His ancestors were ‘Polish’ in a purely geographical sense

    Probably also very anti-Polish.

    Main source of anti-Polish sentiments and “Polack-jokes” were Jews (so-called Litvaks) that migrated to USA from Russian Empire.

  94. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Great Britain was a mix of Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Normans, Celts, and Romans. An ethnic stew that melded into a group.

    i.e., a mix of different peoples who were not very different – all of them descended from the indo-aryans.

    Actually, those ideals were founded and expanded upon by immigrants.

    Founded? Certainly not. Who do you think wrote the Constitution, you stupid ninny?

    Corrupted? Sure.

    Idiot.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  95. Pericles says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Before dat debil white man come there be cotton and casinos from sea to shining sea.

  96. What is so fucking special about someone whose ancestors were in the US at the time of the Founding?
    Sailer’s piece here is devoid of facts and figures.
    Wikipedia article has Polish-Americans income higher than average American, and Polish Americans have a higher rate of holding bachelor degrees than the general American population.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Americans

  97. Mr. Anon says:

    The contritbutions of people like Dershowitz are considerable. If not for the likes of him, who would stick up for America’s wife-murderers and pedophiles? Who would subvert our legal and social traditions with deceitful and tendentious interperetations of our history?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  98. res says:
    @Jack D

    The comparison is particularly ridiculous when comparison group A is Ashkenazi Jews. Askenazi Jews are an outlier group – one of the very few natural experiments in eugenic breeding in all of history. If you think that future immigrant groups are going to turn out like the Ashkenazi Jews (2% of population, 20+% of Nobel Prize winners) you are going to be sorely disappointed.

    It is even more ridiculous when Ashkenazi Jews are the ones making the comparison. They well know there is a difference even if they refuse to say so in public. Contrast with the same people bragging about Jewish success…

  99. Achilles says:
    @Anonym

    Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why. Sure, Trump is innocent but what’s the motive?

    He’s defending the interests of the Clintons. If we had an honest and courageous Attorney General committed to the rule of law in America, they would be at risk for decades of prison time.

    Dershowitz often follows up his argument that there is no legal basis to charge Trump with obstruction of justice with a plea not to “criminalize politics” generally. Obviously, the first defense of the Clintons, the media and the swamp to any effort to prosecute the Clintons would be that it was an attempt to weaponize law enforcement against political opposition.

    Dershowitz is not a dummy. It appears he recognized early on that the claim that Trump conspired criminally with Putin to hack Podesta and the DNC was a frame-up and that the obstruction of justice charge for Trump replacing his FBI Director had no basis, and so concluded the best strategy would be to defend Trump and use any leverage gained in doing so to advocate for not prosecuting the Clintons.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonymous
  100. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:

    Can we just ban Corvinius? This guy contributes nothing. No matter how many times his arguments are trashed, no matter how many times he gets embarrassed, he comes back with more screeching. He’d be a better fit over at r/autism.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  101. @Corvinus

    Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Normans, Celts, and Romans

    If I recall correctly some recent articles (they were mentioned somewhere on Isteve) there wasn’t any ethnic stew. Additional migrations left very small genetic traces in population of British Islands.

    Also even if there was stew its constituent part would be: “Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Normans, Celts, and Romans”. It does strike me as very bland, pale dish.

  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tank

    Clueless.

    Sad, really.

    Perfect illustration of how people can be bright in some areas and clueless in others.

    Not at all. He isn’t clueless. He knows exactly what he is advocating and why.

    • Agree: Crew Cut Man
  103. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    If everyone were so pleased with his wave of immigrants, why did they push to have an immigration moratorium afterwards? It was when they stopped importing scab workers that the American worker’s wages grew. This moratorium period was a period of greater prosperity for Americans, in fact it was a period where the opposite occurred from what Dershowitz claims- the immigrants instead of being great changers of the American culture became more American-like; there was assimilation of those Poles to the culture and views of Americans. Could this ‘magic’ of assimilation even occur when there is such a push from the left to praise ‘alternative lifestyles/cultures’, praise brown people and blame whites for the failure of brown people, etc., not to mention such a dramatic difference in beliefs, behaviors, religion, impulsivity, and average intelligence between say, an African Muslim and a white Christian American from Kansas?

    We also didn’t see too many of those Poles of yore running around raping, demanding privileged treatment ahead of the rest of the population, throwing firebombs at horses and buggies, demanding Polish law ahead of the host country law, throwing acid in the faces of women, genital mutilating, etc. Clearly there are differences in the quality of the average immigrant from a given country. Trump’s ‘sh*thole’ comments were spot on. Liberals lumping all immigrants together is like going to adopt a pet for your family and not giving a d*mn about whether they give you a Collie or a Komodo Dragon.

  104. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    She, or he, is the white, or black, or biracial, version of our favorite troll, Godfrey Elfwick.

    Our? There is no “our” here that involves you. Has anyone here agreed with you even once? You aren’t a boon companion; you are the homeless guy who camps out a table in the diner and won’t leave.

    You, by the way, are perhaps the least favorite troll here. And that means you lose out to “Tiny Duck” and “Truth”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  105. Anonymous[851] • Disclaimer says:

    In Soviet Dershowitzastan, much jest is said in truth… Regarding the Smirnoff Doctrine, can this veteran opinionator really be unaware that recent immigrants (across the legality spectrum) are vehemently opposed to capital-I Immigration, depending how you ask them the question?

    Sure, they wouldn’t mind if Uncle Armin and Cousin Natalya were expedited, or maybe not even some more “Irish and Poles”– but everyone is a conservative about what he knows best, and the emigres are uniquely positioned to know about the sort of clown car driving over the horizon and, hypocritically or not, they will have a discriminatory opinion about tractor-beam immigration policy.

  106. Anonymous[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You raise an excellent but (for some reason) rarely promoted insight: viz., that Claus Von Bulow is who we are as Americans.

  107. @Perspective

    The Statue of Liberty, combined with that poem, is a racist monument suggesting that the poor wretched masses of the world come from shitholes and need a giant Becky to take up the white woman’s burden in order for them to have an acceptable standard of living. It’s long past time to tear it down.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Anonymous
  108. moshe says:
    @FactsAreImportant

    anyone who even had to ask whether “she” is a troll is either a goy, an autist or both

    all I saw was the picture of her screen that Steve posted and I immediately realized that it is not just a troll but almost certainly Godfrey and that he did not actually write that letter to the New York Times.

    then again, lots of you locals think that tiny duck is serious too. why are you people even allowed to read and write??

    • Replies: @simon's blood
  109. Immigrants prior to 1940 had to survive without any government assistance , this is another reason we need to limit immigration to those with skills. Over the last decade we allowed 15 million to immigrate and 1.2 million of them were over the age of 55 . Why do we continue to grant green cards to unskilled elderly people , most of whom cannot speak English ?

    The number of immigrants we currently have in unprecedented. It is amazing how the left distorts reality and reject cutting immigration by even a few people. The Immigration reform promoted by Trump would have barely reduced legal immigration , from the current 1,450,000 per year to 1,400,000 per year. Yet they are acting like Trump wants to reduce the levels of immigration back to the number we allowed in in 1929….when in fact the Plan would not even get us back to 1990 levels of immigration.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  110. Brady says:
    @MG

    You forgot:
    - Exotic diseases
    - Bedbugs
    - Frivolous lawsuits
    - Filthy public bathrooms and locker rooms
    - Public defecation

    Where would Norcal be without those delightful Indian visa workers? I imagine it would be something like the Norcal of 2005. Can you imagine such horrors?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @MG
  111. KenH says:

    Dershy doesn’t believe immigrants who change Israel are its lifeblood. Oh no. Dershy believes just the opposite and has been an outspoken supporter of Israel’s racial nationalism and oppression of its Palestinian minority.

  112. pyrrhus says:
    @dearieme

    Every conspiracy will have a few failures, and after all, Dersh was editor of the Yale Law Review! Before he turned to defending millionaire killers and destroying evidence…
    Did I mention that he was editor of the Yale Law Review? Well, he was….

  113. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Dersh’s sophistry, which is a very common argument lately, is that “past immigration made us who we are now.” Thus, if we like ourselves now immigration must be great for our future!

    But the current generation of Americans is always going to approve of its own values and existence. So this argument is circular and a self-fullfilling prophesy.

    For example, 200 years from now an Imam Al-dershowitz may write a pro-immigration collumn explaining how it was only through the mass immigration of his ancestors that “we” were able to overthrow the old constitution, install sharia law and force the infidels to convert. He will say that immigration is good because it allowed “us” to become “who we are now.” The then-current Americans will share these values and will, of course, nod in agreement.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Anon
  114. pyrrhus says:
    @WowJustWow

    Or send the Statue of Liberty back to the pasha of Egypt, where it started out…

  115. tanabear says:
    @Barnard

    Yes, if the people on the Mayflower had crossed the ocean to join the Iroquois Confederacy then we could call these people immigrants. But they didn’t. They were pioneers, not immigrants.

  116. Brady says:

    I warned several conservatives that Dershowitz was not to be trusted back when he first appeared to defend Trump and made some offhand comments along the lines of liberals having moved too far to the left.

    A leopard never changes its spots. Approximately zero of the people now calling themselves “classical liberals”, “old-school progressives”, or some variant thereof, are ever going to be allies to anyone on the right, and that’s true regardless of whether you’re a Trumpist, right-libertarian, reactionary or nationalist. These people – the Alan Dershowitzes and Dave Rubins and Joe Rogans and Jordan Petersons of the world – these snakes will turn on you the very millisecond they feel like they’re regaining control of the narrative.

    Moderates always break left. And half of these people admit they’re still on the left, so we should take them at their word.

  117. Would love to see the housing/demographic stats from Dersh’s neighborhood, and the extent to which his neighborhood (and property values) have been subject to this wonderful, immigration-induced “change” he crows about.

    I am guessing that the extent of this “change” in Dersh’s neighborhood is about the same as in Meathead Reiner’s Malibu neighborhood.

    It’s all good…. but Dersh doesn’t need any in his part of town.

  118. Kylie says:

    I found it incredible that a lawyer as bright and accomplished as Dershowitz couldn’t come up with a better analogy than this apples and oranges crap. I (granddaughter of Slavic immigrants) could do better.

    Then I remembered that Dershowitz doesn’t have to depend solely on facts, reason and logic. Persuasion is just as important to the success of his arguments as reasoning is.

    I’m glad he got Bülow off. But now I wish he take his shoddy argumemts and just go away. But they never do, do they?

  119. Lot says:
    @Achilles

    Disagree it has anything to so with the Clintons.

    I think it is a combo of Dersh loving the attention, honestly speaking his mind, and drifting away from the increasingly illiberal and anti-Israel left.

    Secular libertarian-left Jews like Dersh had a very cozy home in the 1950-2008 Democratic Party. They dominated large parts of it, and it reflected their values.

    They have now demographicly collapsed, and the aging dinos still around like Dersh and their tiny number of younger offspring now don’t have much of a home in the Hugo Chavez/Jeremy Corbyn left of 2018.

    • Replies: @Achilles
    , @Steve Sailer
  120. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Bull Poopy.

    Perhaps the very first immigration measure passed by the nascent republic was the ‘Naturalization Proclamation’ passed way back in the 1790s which, explicitly, limited naturalization as a US citizen to ‘free white persons only’.

    The great wave of ‘ethnic immigration’ to the USA only really began in the later 19th century, previously, immigrants were predominantly of northwestern European stock. Ethnic immigration was on a rising trend through the first part of the 20th century – and threatened to reachba crescendo in the years immediately after 1918, in which bombed out Europeans were poised to inundate en masse the USA. It’s against this backdrop that the 1924 Immigration Act must be judged. The Act was the first restriction placed by the States on European immigration. As it happens, Irish immigration was unaffected by the Act, since Irish immigration came within a bloated British quota – the Act purposedly set quotas based on national groups as measured by the 1890 census.

    Not without due cause, the Wasp founding stock Americans realised that if pre 1924 trends continued then they – and their unique culture – would simply be submerged by sheer weight of numbers, turning the States into something completely unrecognizably different.

    The fact that the descendants of those Wasps no longer run America, and people rather like Alan Dershowitz do, proves that their suspicions and instincts were correct.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  121. A statement by Dershowitz that doesn’t mention the Holocaust? He is slipping a bit in his old age.

  122. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @celt darnell

    So, Dershowitz never applied to a leading Jewish law firm.
    There are enough of them.

    Good Lord! He never even tried his luck at Goldman Sachs – *the*(R) official ‘masters of the universe’.

  123. Barnard says:
    @dearieme

    An immigrant moves into an already established country; a settler builds a new one. It is a big difference.

  124. Smart enough to finish first in his class at Yale Law, but too stupid to grasp the concept of opportunity cost.

    Those immigrants replaced other people who might have — and certainly would have — contributed more.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  125. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:

    “Would love to see the housing/demographic stats from Dersh’s neighborhood.”

    Hillary Clinton’s neighborhood, Chappaqua, is 94% white. Some gold medalist in mental gymnastics tried to justify this by pointing out that there is a majority Hispanic neighborhood some distance away. Some genius here rebutted with, “yeah that must be where they keep the nannies.”

  126. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: pizzas rotting in the restaurants

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/nyregion/the-dangerous-lives-of-the-citys-delivereros.html

    I mean I’m not heartless because being a bike deliveryman in New York is a crappy job but is that a reason to keep the borders open? I mean the only thing this article conveys to me is that New Yorkers are a-holes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  127. J1234 says:

    Progressives have turned immigration into something that’s viewed very cynically by scores of millions of Americans. It’s viewed cynically because the left is using it primarily as a weapon against the descendants of historically significant immigrant groups of the past, who they repeatedly and explicitly characterize as too white, too European and too Western (and implicitly, as people who won’t vote in their social agenda.) As subterfuge, however, they conjure up a connection between the Polish and the Irish immigrants of 100+ years ago and the third world or Latin American immigrants of today because it fits with what they represent as the most important moral principal in the history of the universe (more important, in fact, than any principle that Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha or Confucius could ever come up with) and that is: “All people are created equal, so therefore, all immigrants are created equal.”

    As many have said before, Europeans of 100 years ago came from such linguistic diversity that they had no choice but to learn English as a primary language, whereas immigrants from different quarters of Latin America all bring essentially one language: Spanish. This can only inhibit or prohibit healthy assimilation…a very good thing, for the the left.

    The other subterfuge the left promotes is that progressives really value immigrants because immigration represents America’s history, and there’s nothing that leftists love more than America’s history and tradition. That’s what the left is all about. The truth, however, is that, with immigration, they’ve found the one aspect of America’s past that will allow them to disconnect America from its past. Why? Because all waves of immigration are created equal, even when they are waves of massive, unregulated and non-assimilation based immigration. Leftist historians love saying that history does not repeat itself, especially when people compare the decline of the US or the West with the decline of the Rome. Of course, that doesn’t apply with immigration history, says the left, which absolutely and positively repeats itself exactly over and over and over again.

    As to contempt directed at immigrant Poles and the Irish 100 years ago, this is true, but this was also true of immigrants from England and the British Isles, and not unique to the Irish, Italians, Poles and Greeks that the left is constantly trying to recruit into their brotherhood of victimhood. The earliest established communities of Virginia would always “encourage” lower class and “recalcitrant” British immigrants to go live somewhere else: South Carolina, the Appalachian mountains and Georgia (which was largely a penal colony at one time) as examples. It was very common.

  128. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “i.e., a mix of different peoples who were not very different – all of them descended from the indo-aryans.”

    So you mean these different peoples immigrated from different places. See for yourself.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration

    “Founded? Certainly not. Who do you think wrote the Constitution, you stupid ninny?”

    Seven of the 39 men who signed the Constitution were immigrants. In fact, two of the three men most associated with its passage, Alexander Hamilton and James Wilson, were foreign-born. One of the three men who wrote the Federalist Papers explaining the Constitution was born abroad.

    When George Washington chose Justices of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution, three of his choices were immigrants. James Wilson of Scotland, James Iredell of England, and William Patterson from Ireland made up the immigrant third of the original of the Supreme Court.

    Four of the first six Secretaries of the Treasury were immigrants, one each from Switzerland and Scotland, and two from the West Indies. President Washington appointed an Irish immigrant, James McHenry, as Secretary of War in 1796.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  129. @Jack D

    American works best when there are waves of immigration – you allow a bunch of immigrants in and then close the gates for a while so America can digest the meal, and then 40 years later you are ready for another meal.

    That was then, when America had a frontier (or a lot of sparsely-populated space where it recently closed) and resources in surplus.

    This is now.  Our critical resources, particularly oil, water and natural processes which degrade air and water pollutants, are stretched to the limit.  We are crowded in our cities and sit in traffic on our over-used roads.  Our forests are burning.  And to add insult to injury, we have “Press 1 for English” almost everywhere.

    What America needs right now is a wave of emigration, particularly the unassimilable third-worlders who’ve either sneaked across the border, overstayed their visas, been treasonously admitted by quasi-legal (though never voter-approved) processes or just insist upon defining themselves as “other”.  Those US citizens who are obviously not Americans need to head back to the lands of their (other) ancestors.  A hundred million of those people leaving would do the USA a whole lot of good, in no small part because it would take the majority of our welfare load away.

  130. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    How committed are “leftists” to a “diversity” stance globally?

    In what non white majority countries are we seeing priority for “diversity”, for “antiracism”, for mass immigration from peoples different than the majority population?

    Diversity just means finding anything white and Chasing Them Down until its acceptably non white

    its Anti White

  131. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    The biggest supporters of Israel are organizations like the ADL and foreign ethnics like Dershowitz. Shouldn’t conservatives strategically withdraw support from Israel, hurting those groups in the process and weakening their ability to control our narrative? But then again, conservatives have never been especially intelligent.

    For the last seventy years, american conservatives have not even been especially conservative.

  132. ATBOTL says:

    Increasingly, we on the right are going to be confronted by left-neocon types like Dersh fleeing the Democratic Party and liberal left like rats from a sinking ship. If we don’t kick these rats back into the water, the ship is lost.

  133. Corvinus says:
    @istevefan

    “Quit anointing our leaders and then using their words to make your argument.”

    I’m not anointing anyone. Vox Day is Alt Right. Remember the 16 points!

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

    “If you wish to look at a person held in the highest regard by the Right, look at none other than George Washington and the words of the First Naturalization Act he personally signed into law in 1790.”

    Which makes sense for the times. Of course, you do realize that the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to make changes in immigration laws by way of Congress.

  134. Mr. Anon says:
    @WowJustWow

    The Statue of Liberty, combined with that poem, is a racist monument suggesting that the poor wretched masses of the world come from shitholes and need a giant Becky to take up the white woman’s burden in order for them to have an acceptable standard of living. It’s long past time to tear it down.

    The Statue of Liberty – the original Nice White Lady.

  135. Corvinus says:
    @Polynikes

    “You’ve got your timeline quite confused, especially regarding Germans.”

    The Germans came in bunches in the 1840′s and 1850′s. Certainly this ethnic group had their members arrive to our nation earlier.

    “But if you don’t think Irish and Italian (two groups who have largely assimilated) immigration changed the politics of the country, then you don’t know your history very well.”

    Of course these groups, as well as others, have changed our politics. But does that mean they should go back?

    • Replies: @Richard Knox
  136. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow

    Of course, The Statue of Liberty has *nothing* *whatsoever* *to* *do* *with* *immigration*.

    Purely and simply it was a gift from the French government of the day, to celebrate the centennial of the 1776 American Revolution. France, of course being the Revolutionaries’ great allies and enablers, being mightily pleased at the ‘one in the eye’ landed on England, the enemie ancienne.

  137. @Anon

    I once did a back of the envelope calculation. Can’t remember all the details or if I’m totally correct, but here goes: at an IQ of 85, black America would need a population equivalent to China’s just to have as many geniuses (IQ +140) as America does now at a population of ~300 million.

    I just did that calculation.  40 points off a mean of 100 with SD of 15 is 0.38%.  However, the Black IQ curve has a standard distribution of about 12-12.5.  55 points off a mean of 100 with an SD of 12.5 is 5.41E-06, a mere 0.0005%.  It looks like it would take about 200 China’s worth.

  138. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “What is so fucking special about someone whose ancestors were in the US at the time of the Founding?”

    Duh. They are more like us – regardless of European origin – than not. Your average non-white immigrant doesn’t really care for things like freedom of speech and many other basic American freedoms according to recent polls, so letting them in as opposed to more Poles or Englishmen won’t turn out so well in the end. Maintaining the United States as the country it was originally intended to be requires people amenable to the ideals of those who founded it. That’s easier in a relatively homogeneous society.

    As world history has shown to no end, heterogeneous societies have great difficultly maintaining cohesion in the long run. Why is this simple fact beyond some people? What sense does it make to risk the entirety of the American nation on pie-in-the-sky political dogma promoted by people with only the foggiest understanding of history?

    It’s just beyond me that the same people who taught me the Soviet Union would one day fall because it was based on an ideology that didn’t comport with human nature can’t see the obvious parallel here.

    “Sailer’s piece here is devoid of facts and figures.”

    Some things are common sense. Lots of his posts have facts and figures. Does the man need to repost these endlessly or could you be troubled to find them yourself? In any case, most of what Dershowitz wrote here is also devoid of facts and figures – mostly just moralizing and presenting arguments as if they are self-evident, which they are not.

    “Wikipedia article has Polish-Americans income higher than average American, and Polish Americans have a higher rate of holding bachelor degrees than the general American population.”

    So? Average “American” equals an average of white, black, Hispanic, and other. It’s not really appropriate to pick one small demographic and use it as a representation of all immigrants or races. Also, people of Polish decent tend to be geographically located in higher-salaried parts of the country, so that’s not really a good way to look at things.

    I could reword your point by saying that the average “white” has an average income higher than the average non-white in most cases – even Asians post housing crisis for a few years. I can’t use that as an argument against non-white immigration or population growth? You seem to think you can use it to promote immigration. Fair is fair.

  139. MG says:
    @Brady

    I didn’t know public defecation was an issue with Bay Area Indians. Can you cite a source or an example?

    Speaking as a long time Silicon Valley Indian resident, it is undeniable that Indian immigrants have gotten FAR MORE out of the USA than they have put in. I suspect the same is true for most immigrant groups post-1970. Yet we keep hearing the cant that “immigrants built this nation.” No, the settlers built this nation. 5 Hungarian immigrants have contributed far more to America than 500,000 Indian Johnny-come-latelies.

  140. foxotcw says:
    @Anonym

    Dershowitz is consistently Israel-first. He recognizes that Trump is a much better deal for Israel that anything the Democrats are likely to field in the next election.

  141. @George

    They came in (jews) to poland as tax farmers- a job native poles just wouldn’t do – and ruthlessly exploited the people – that’s why, like the Hungarian anti-communist uprising in the 50s, the 18th century Polish one is considered ‘anti-Semitic’ by many Jewish historians.

    • Replies: @Doug
  142. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Your contention is nonsense. Almost all of these people were British subjects, just like Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and the others. They were not “the other”.

    Your argument here, as everywhere else on this board, is nothing but hollow sophistry. You don’t even seem capable of recognizing the truth.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  143. DFH says:
    @George

    Dershowitz’s members did not emigrate from Casimir the Great’s Poland though, but from the Russian empire. They didn’t consider themselves Polish and didn’t belong to any Polish political entity.

  144. njguy73 says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    When Irish and Swedish emigrants left their homelands, they rarely returned, with only as little as five per cent of Irish and Swedish emigrants between 1850 and 1914 ever moving back home…In sharp contrast to Ireland and Sweden, an estimated 49 per cent of Italians who migrated to the Americas between 1905 (when return migration statistics began) and 1920 managed to return. Many of the (predominantly southern) farm workers who went to the United States planned to accumulate as much money as they possibly could before returning home to buy their own agricultural plot. They presumably returned to find wives or to be reunited with their wives, given the low level of female Italian emigration before the First World War. Repatriation took place in the case of all three countries in the early 1930s because of the economic difficulties caused by the world recession, but emigration took off again in Ireland from 1936 – predominantly to Great Britain. In the case of Italy and Sweden, however, returning migrants outnumbered those leaving by the late 1930s.

    I’d like to add that the Irish migration to Great Britain from 1936 on was probably due to citizens of the new independent Irish Republic realizing that life under de Valera wasn’t going to be better than the life they had under the Crown before 1922.

    http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/europe-on-the-road/economic-migration/irial-glynn-emigration-across-the-atlantic-irish-italians-and-swedes-compared-1800-1950#Returnmigration

  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Which makes sense for the times. Of course, you do realize that the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to make changes in immigration laws by way of Congress.

    Yes, by Congress, like the corrupt and deceitful backers of the 1965 law. But not by every latin american peasant or chinese obstetric-tourist who decides to come here, and their immigration lawyer.

    Do you ever get tired of mindlessly repeating every platitude from The Wall Street Journal and NPR? I guess it befits somebody of such bovine stupidity as you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  146. @George

    They were officially invited by Kasimir the Great, and the laws of the Polish Empire were amended to legitimate the Jewish immigrants. So they were Polish citizens in the political sense.

    Actually not all of them. Many “Polish” Jews were so called Litvaks, forcibly resettled from the Russian Empire to Polish lands of the Empire on the turn of XIX and XX century. They quickly became agents of Russification and got involved in conflicts with Poles and local Jews.

    For some strange reason English Wikipedia doesn’t mention this. Instead it concentrates on the glories of Lithuanian Jews (Litvak means Lithuanian).

    Jews also didn’t consider themselves Poles. They had shtetls and their own self-governing institutions and most of them didn’t particularly cared for the fate of their neighbors.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  147. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Dershowitz helped negotiate an unusually good deal for his pal, billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. And not just for him. The non prosecution agreement he helped to negotiate stipulated that the government would refrain from prosecuting any persons who might prove to have been Epstein’s co-conspirators. I wonder why that was part of the deal…………………

  148. Forbes says:
    @celt darnell

    Dersh will be 80 years old in a couple weeks, yet all these years he’s carried the memory of the slight of 32 law firms. Imagine the emotional labor involved in carrying that burden all this time.

    Reminding others you graduated first in your class gets tiresome after the first hundred times. Apparently Dersh had that abrasive, annoying personality from the start. Probably why 32 firms concluded, “he won’t fit in here.”

    He’s a reminder of one who lives by the mantra, “I’m not always right, but I’m always sure.”

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
    , @anonymous
  149. @Anon

    As world history has shown to no end, heterogeneous societies have great difficultly maintaining cohesion in the long run. Why is this simple fact beyond some people?

    You think it was “just an accident”, don’t you?  You aren’t cynical enough.

  150. Achilles says:
    @Lot

    Yes, certainly he’s genuinely alarmed by the rise of anti-Israel sentiment among the radical elements of the Democrat party. To be clear, I don’t believe it is radicalism per se that he objects to, but rather the prominence of anti-Israel feeling in the current iteration of it.

    If Dershowitz were really moving away from the Democrat party, then he wouldn’t be pushing mass immigration (albeit with a nod toward legal immigration) as he does in this opinion piece. That’s the ‘tell.’

    Given the huge immigration population already within the United States, those in favor of continuing mass immigration typically fall into one of two groups, those with economic interests in holding down wages for working-class Americans through high labor competition and those who view immigration as a weapon in the century-long attack on historic core America. Dershowitz in my view falls into the latter category, distinguishing him from Jewish neocons who probably fall into both camps. However, Dershowitz may well now be more sympathetic to the aims of the first group than he was as a young man, as Jews are now firmly ensconced in the economic elite in the US, as is he personally.

    • Replies: @Lot
  151. Forbes says:
    @celt darnell

    I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    \

    I guess he should’ve applied to law firms, not Wall Street securities firms.

  152. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    “Which makes sense for the times. Of course, you do realize that the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to make changes in immigration laws by way of Congress.”

    What sense does that make? Just because Congress can do something doesn’t mean they should…or that the Founders ever intended them to…or that doing so now is somehow a good idea. In fact, one of the first acts of congress specifically made it harder for immigrants to become citizens:

    “The Alien and Sedition Acts were four bills passed by the Federalist-dominated 5th United States Congress and signed into law by President John Adams in 1798. They made it harder for an immigrant to become a citizen, allowed the president to imprison and deport non-citizens who were deemed dangerous or who were from a hostile nation, and criminalized making false statements that were critical of the federal government.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

  153. Forbes says:
    @Barnard

    Or the fact that there were those who arrived in Virginia, before the Mayflower, who would be considered first. Is Dersh historically ignorant…

    • Agree: Barnard
  154. Forbes says:
    @Hhsiii

    Evidently Dershowitz didn’t apply to Fried Frank, Skadden Arps or Proskauer Rose when he was graduating law school. Although I guess Proskauer and Skadden aren’t or weren’t Wall Street firms. I mean, Goldman Sachs had law firms working for them, no?

    Dersh using the term ‘Wall Street’ regarding where he applied is a bit off. Surely he knew of the existence of Jewish law firms–or even Jewish securities firms, if that’s what he meant by ‘Wall Street.’

  155. @The Z Blog

    Thanks. You’ve put it well. That’s all it really boils down to, isn’t it? All the fancy arguments, the convoluted contortions to cast their hatred into less offensive terms boil down to an intense dislike for America and Americans. It’s as simple as that.

  156. Doug says:
    @ACommenter

    > They came in (jews) to poland as tax farmers- a job native poles just wouldn’t do – and ruthlessly exploited the people

    Nope. That’s not supported by any reputable historical sources whatsoever.

    Under Bolesław III (1102–1139), the Jews, encouraged by the tolerant regime of this ruler, settled throughout Poland, including over the border in Lithuanian territory as far as Kiev.[34] Bolesław III recognized the utility of Jews in the development of the commercial interests of his country. Jews came to form the backbone of the Polish economy. Mieszko III employed Jews in his mint as engravers and technical supervisors, and the coins minted during that period even bear Hebraic markings.[31] Jews worked on commission for the mints of other contemporary Polish princes, including Casimir the Just, Bolesław I the Tall and Władysław III Spindleshanks.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Early_history_to_Golden_Age:_966–1572

    > the 18th century Polish one is considered ‘anti-Semitic’ by many Jewish historians.

    Have no idea what you’re even talking about here. The major uprising in 18th century Poland was Kościuszko. Polish Jews were per capita the most ardent supporters of this rebellion.

    Joselewicz initially served in the Polish militia before petitioning Kościuszko for permission to form an all-Jewish unit. On September 17, 1794, Kościuszko officially announced the creation of the unit. Joselewicz, along with another Jew named Joseph Aronowicz, issued a patriotic call-to-arms in Yiddish denouncing Russia and Prussia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berek_Joselewicz

    > the Hungarian anti-communist uprising in the 50s is considered ‘anti-Semitic’ by many Jewish historians.

    Please cite any reputable historians who say this. I’ve never heard anyone outside some tankie flunkies say this. (And let’s be honest tankies are willing to make any claim whatsoever to defend Stalin and his legacy. In the same breath they’ll also support purging “rootless cosmpolitans”)

    Leaders like Mátyás Rákosi, Ernő Gerő and Peter Gabor repudiated Judaism and were strict atheists per Communist doctrine. They even sometimes expressed anti-Semitic attitudes themselves. Indeed, under Communist rule from 1948 to 1988, Zionism was outlawed and Jewish observance was curtailed. Moreover, members of the upper class, Jews and Christians alike, were expelled from the cities to the provinces for 6–12 months in the early 1950s. Jews were on both sides of the 1956 uprising.[93] Some armed rebel leaders like István Angyal, an Auschwitz survivor executed on December 1, 1958, were Jewish. Jewish writers and intellectuals such as Tibor Déry, imprisoned from 1957 to 1961, occupied the forefront of the reform movement.[93] After the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, about 20,000 or so Jews fled the country. For instance, an estimated 20% of the Hungarian refugees entering Canada in 1957 was Jewish.[94] By 1967, only about 80,000–90,000 Jews (including non-religious Jews) remained in the country, with the number dropping further before the country’s Communist regime collapsed in 1989.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Hungary

    I think maybe you need to get out a little more and read some academically reputable history instead of what ever quackery Ron Unz is taking out of context this week.

  157. Lot says:
    @Achilles

    Anti-white racism and cheap labor are certainly major factors for the open borders people, but saying they are the only ones or even the only major ones is wrong. Is the Mormon leadship anti-white?

    Dersh has always sat on the right wing of the left. In the 1980s there was an attempt by 60s radical types to take over the Harvard Law faculty, and Dersh lead the opposition to this.

    I think he, Krugman, and many other center-left boomer Jews are in various states of denial about race issues.

    A more sinister motive, but one that is not specificly anti-white, is they believe the benefits of mass migration are worth the costs, and they just don’t care that middle America pays most of those costs. Indifference v hostility.

    • Replies: @Achilles
  158. @Anon

    Nevered used the example of Polish–Americans as an example of immigrants as a whole. The point being that this particular ethnic group,–having a higher income and higher educational attainment than the average American– contribution to US society is at least just as good, and probably better, than the descendants of those who were at the Founding.
    We should be taking in people better than us, is the point. I readily grant that we are currently taking in people worse than us, and that should be stopped.
    Descendants of those at the time of the Founding would include many blacks and poor whites–the latter some would call white trash. Under your line of reasoning, individuals who aren’t a plus for society are ok as long as they have the right family lineage, while artists, scientists, doctors, business creators would be left out simply because they are of Slavic descent.

  159. eah says:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
  160. WJ says:

    Ingraham had him on her show last week to discuss presidential legal issues. It was intended to be a a non-contentious discussion of Trump , Mueller etc. Right out of the gate Dersh started in on his pro immigration silliness and attacked LI for her views and LI basically dominated him. She is very, very good on the immigration topic and when Dersh started “that’s not who we are” insanity , she refuted his every argument and had him somewhat contrite.

    Despite her sometimes annoying voice and her periodic detour into touchy feely issues, she is very good on immigration and trade issues.

  161. @Corvinus

    The Germans had already migrated to Pennsylvania in significant numbers by 1780…Ben Franklin complained about them and issued warnings to reduce immigration from these swarthy Europeans…yet he published a German newspaper to profit from the large numbers of Germans in Philadelphia.

    In 1860 Blacks were 14% of the population, over 4,500,000 blacks counted on the 1860 Census. The Black population doubled to 9,000,000 in 40 years but fell to 11.6% of the population in 1900 due to immigration of Europeans. 25 Million European migrated to America from 1850 – 1900, just 15% we’re from Britain. Without the millions of Irish, Slovs, Jews and Southern Europeans the Black population would have been 19% of the US population in 1900…if We had kept out the Irish, Poles, Russians, Italians, Greeks and Jews…. until 1950 the Black population would have been 30% of the US population in 1960. Today the Black population would be over 50% of the US population if we had kept out the Mexicans, Asians, Irish, Poles, Italians, Jews etc…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  162. Achilles says:
    @Lot

    there was an attempt by 60s radical types to take over the Harvard Law faculty, and Dersh lead the opposition to this

    His own nest. And notwithstanding his encomium to the wonders of immigration in his op-ed, Dershowitz is opposed to mass immigration of non-Jews into Israel. Again, his own nest.

    Dershowitz loves to claim he argues on principle, but in the final analysis he’s all who/whom. His loyalties are to (1) Jews as a group globally, (2) the state of Israel and (3) the USA. If the governance of the USA were not so strongly allied with (1) and (2) it would probably not be on the list.

    If Dershowitz were a principled defender of civil rights he would be arguing for federal intervention in places like Oakland and Charlottesville where the local authorities have enabled Antifa mobs to attack and intimidate Americans for their political opinions and for trying to exercise the rights to peacably assemble and speak publicly.

  163. @unit472

    In 1920, Las Vegas population was 2,300.

    but this climate change stuff, yeah, we’re really screwed

  164. MadDog says:
    @AndrewR

    English immersion brings children to par quickly. ESL emphasizes learning the second language first and extends through high school. ESL is a scam program to guarantee non English speaking teachers and administrators jobs. And guarantees illiteracy in both languages.

  165. syonredux says:
    @eah

    The history of the Jewish people justifies—indeed demands—that there be one state that manifests the national aspirations of the Jewish people.

    Ethno-nationalism for me, but not for thee. Everything else is commentary….

    • Replies: @eah
  166. @dearieme

    Settlers-homesteaders-pioneers:
    paid their own way; traveled on foot, horseback, ox team, wagon; arrived on wilderness ground; built homes from prairie sod or cut their own logs; grew their own food; raised one-room school houses and paid out of their own pockets to educate their own children – including Latin, higher math, great literature, etc.; created the U.S. Constitution; founded and built cities, towns, hospitals, colleges; wove a solid social fabric with high trust, etc.

    Immigrants:
    show up after the hard work is done. Now, arrive by easy plane flight, stay in cushy hotels, get cash subsidies. Past generations of them used to be grateful and work at becoming American. Now they mostly are ingrates. All kinds of studies show they are a net drain economically and socially. What percentage of California inmates are foreign-born?

    Failure stories are the norm for modern migration. Major Nidal Hassan, The World Trade Center attackers both 1993 and 2001, Rotherham, Telford, Kate Stienle’s murderer, strains on public services, etc., etc., etc.

    Immigration is an obsolete relic of a bygone era.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  167. @Anon from Chicago

    “higher than average American..”

    Remember, when talking about America, you must always, always, always, disaggregate by race in any statistic you cite if you intend to convey meaningful and relevant information.

    Another way of saying that is that we are so diverse, there is no “general American population”. We are an aggregation of different ethnicities and races.

  168. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Which makes sense for the times. Of course, you do realize that the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to make changes in immigration laws by way of Congress.

    By future generations of politicians who were either stupid or lying…..Check out these comments by supporters of the 1965 immigration act:

    Rep. Emanuel Celler (D-NY), a sponsor of the bill, told his colleagues:

    “With the end of discrimination due to place of birth, there will be shifts in countries other than those of northern and western Europe. Immigrants from Asia and Africa will have to compete and qualify in order to get in, quantitatively and qualitatively, which, itself will hold the numbers down. There will not be, comparatively, many Asians or Africans entering this country. .. .Since the people of Africa and Asia have very few relatives here, comparatively few could immigrate from those countries because they have no family ties in the U.S.” (Congressional Record, Aug. 25, 1965, p. 21812.)

    Attorney General Robert Kennedy told House immigration subcommittee members,

    “I would say for the Asia-Pacific Triangle it [immigration] would be approximately 5,000, Mr. Chairman, after which immigration from that source would virtually disappear; 5,000 immigrants would come the first year, but we do not expect that there would be any great influx after that.” (U.S. Congress, House, 1964 hearings, p. 418.)

    And in a letter to The New York Times, he [Kennedy] called for repeal of the national origins system:

    “The time has come for us to insist that the quota system be replaced by the merit system…It deprives us of able immigrants whose contributions we need...It would increase the amount of authorized immigration by only a fraction.” (The New York Times, Aug. 24, 1964, p. 26.)

    Senate immigration subcommittee chairman Edward Kennedy (D-MA.) reassured his colleagues and the nation with the following:

    “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset … Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia … In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.”

    Sen. Kennedy concluded by saying,

    “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)

    Secretary of State Dean Rusk, when asked about the number of people from India who would want to immigrate, responded:

    “The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years … I don’t think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States ... There is not a general move toward the United States.” (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington D.C., Feb. 10, 1965, p.65.)

    Another rosy prediction from a supporter of the bill, Sen. Claiborne Pell (D-RI):

    “Contrary to the opinions of some of the misinformed, this legislation does not open the floodgates.” (Congressional Record, Sept. 20, 1965, p. 24480.)

    https://cis.org/Report/Legacy-1965-Immigration-Act

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
  169. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    “People of Color agree with this sentiment”

    Pretty much a marker that a statement is irrational, hypocritical, self-interested BS. It doesn’t really help your position.

  170. syonredux says:
    @dearieme

    “Are we too far gone for the general public to understand the difference between an immigrant and a settler again?”

    A distinction without a difference. A mere play on words.

    Get WOKE, bigot. Settlers are doubleplus bad; immigrants are doubleplus good.

    Muslim immigrant in 2018 Australia= GOOD.

    English settler in 1818 Australia=BAD.

    • LOL: Sarah Toga
  171. When Dershowitz’s ancestors immigrsted from Europe, it is highly likely the Chinese Exclusion Act was in effect, since it lasted from 1892-1943. European immigrants were brought in rather than Chinese because of the so-called “Yellow Peril.” Thus, Dershowitz’ s European Jewish Immigrant forbears benefitted from a variant of the Trump “Muslim ban” he claims to oppose…

  172. Hhsiii says:

    H. Rodgin Cohen is only 8 years younger and has been dean of American banking lawyers at white shoe law firm Sullivan Cromwell for nearly 40 years (he started in 1970). All the firms have been deracinated since the later 60s. Hell Dersh clerked for Goldberg.

  173. syonredux says:
    @celt darnell

    Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    Cool story bro

    Hey, Al’s had a rough life….

    After being admitted to the bar, Dershowitz served as a clerk for David L. Bazelon, the chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. He said that, “Bazelon was my best and worst boss at once … He worked me to the bone; he didn’t hesitate to call at 2 a.m. He taught me everything—how to be a civil libertarian, a Jewish activist, a mensch. He was halfway between a slave master and a father figure.” During the 1963–1964 term, he served as law clerk for the Supreme Court Associate Justice Arthur Goldberg. He told Tom Van Riper of Forbes that getting a Supreme Court clerkship was probably his second big break; his first was when, at age 14 or 15, a camp counselor told him he was smart but that his mind operated a little differently.[16] He joined the faculty of Harvard Law School as an assistant professor in 1964, and was made a full professor in 1967 at the age of 28, at that time the youngest full professor of law in the school’s history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Career

  174. syonredux says:

    Alan Dershowitz is something else…..He would go around saying that he was the first Jewish professor at Harvard,which was, of course, ludicrous.He was preceded by Jewish scholars like Harry Levin and Harry Wolfson by decades.And, if you count converts, centuries (Judah Monis, a Jewish convert to Christianity, taught Hebrew at Harvard from the 1720s to the 1760s).What he meant was that he was the first really Jewish Jew.Guys like Levin just don’t count.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/4/24/fifty-years-retired-alan-dershowitz/

  175. @Mr. Anon

    Corvinus might be someone’s AI experiment.  Pretty advanced if so, no?  Only the utter obtuseness is suspicious, and we’ve all seen ideologues just as pig-headed as he.

    • Replies: @res
    , @ThreeCranes
  176. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    The tribe has less claim on Israel than Americans have on the US and we have behaved with much higher morality to those we conquered than did the Tribe. We have lived in the US continually for >400 years until the present. Israel was only held by the Jews for a few hundred years before being conquered by others, and ultimately their ancestors left Israel, and were away for nearly 2000 years. They only recently reclaimed it, and did so through violence and oppression.

    They also carried out intentional genocide to eradicate the Canaanites in the first place. We at least tried to make treaties with a people who violently attacked us from the moment we set foot on the US. Most of the Native Americans that died did so from unintentional disease. We gave their descendants reservations, and they receive subsistence payments in perpetuity and a privileged position in society. We attempted to convert them to our religion out of compassion and frequently made attempts to live with them in peace.We honor them endlessly and hold them in a romanticized image that is much greater than anything they ever actually lived up to.

    We are critical of our people’s past deeds and our government and many Americans have been continually trying to make up for any perceived wrongs. Contrast that with a people who only say that a land they took by genocidal force twice, is their land, always has been their land, who gaslight any who disagree, and try to have them fired and blacklisted from decent society.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @eah
  177. @Bies Podkrakowski

    most of them didn’t particularly cared for the fate of their neighbors.

    Now where have we seen that before?  Oh, right….

  178. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Smart white Hispanics go into business or engineering, not tech. There are lots and lots of extremely accomplished white Hispanic engineers that have designed massive ports, bridges, etc in North America and over the world, but the public/media doesn’t care about about engineers and large scale industrial projects so you don’t hear about them. In most North American engineering firms, the “diversity” comes from white Hispanic men.

    It’s probably related to how there are very few white Hispanic nerds compared to white Anglo nerds, meaning they don’t channel their mathematical ability into computers but rather into building things (also a “manlier” field, since it’s a very macho culture?). Nerd culture doesn’t really exist in Latin America. There are elements of it that have been absorbed into mainstream youth culture but that’s it. It’s not a widespread subculture the way it is in NA.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  179. @Richard Knox

    Without the millions of Irish, Slovs, Jews and Southern Europeans the Black population would have been 19% of the US population in 1900

    You’re assuming that the founders’ descendants would not have had a higher reproductive rate without all the added competition.  You’re almost certainly wrong.

  180. @Anonymouse

    Dershowitz went to the same college as I did and at the same time but I never met him.

    I used the same toilet stall as Sen Larry Craig (but for its designated purpose) the same week, but didn’t meet him either. That’s about equally germane.

    At least I can add that the Senator’s sin got my neighbor, the late shoe shine man Royal Zeno, into the national news feed for the second time in ten years.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  181. @Doug

    Have no idea what you’re even talking about here. The major uprising in 18th century Poland was Kościuszko. Polish Jews were per capita the most ardent supporters of this rebellion.

    I think he meant XVII century Ukrainian/Cossack uprising against their polonised aristocracy. That one certainly was antisemitic.

    Jews who were working as oppressive tax-gatherers were probably favorite target of the Cossacks.

  182. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s some context on Dershowitz’s experience applying to law firms early in his career:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1138432

    During their golden era in the 1950s and 1960s, large American law firms were segregated along religious and cultural lines between WASP and Jewish law firms. The rise and success of large law firms with distinctive religious and cultural identities is surprising because the large firm was purportedly a-religious and meritocratic.

    This Article asserts that the large WASP law firm, despite its ostensibly a-religious organizational structure, had a deeply rooted religious and cultural identity. Its commitments to Protestant values and white-shoe ethos help explain its rise at the turn of the nineteenth century, its successful campaign for elite professional status within the ranks of the legal profession, and its dominance until 1945. Moreover, the religious and cultural identity of the large WASP firm also explains the rise and success of its main competitor after 1945 – the Jewish law firm. Exploring the consequences of the WASP firm’s commitments to Protestant values and white-shoe culture, this Article identifies unique reasons for the remarkable success story of the Jewish firm, whose growth rate far exceeded that of the WASP firm. Finally, the Article chronicles the disintegration of the religious identity of the large firm, WASP and, as a result, Jewish alike.

  183. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Without the millions of Irish, Slovs, Jews and Southern Europeans the Black population would have been 19% of the US population in 1900

    You’re assuming that the founders’ descendants would not have had a higher reproductive rate without all the added competition. You’re almost certainly wrong.

    Yeah, there’s a line of demographic thought that supports the notion that high levels of immigration lower native birthrates.

  184. Peasant says:
    @Doug

    ‘Nope. That’s not supported by any reputable historical sources whatsoever’

    Its called the Arenda system. For gods sake it was a definitive feature of jewish life in poland for centuries at a time when 90% of the worlds jews were in poland.

  185. Peasant says:
    @MG

    You forgot crappy buy to let landlords who never invest a dime in their property and just use them to rent seek. Preferably while evading tax.

  186. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Large cities did have political machines, usually affiliated with the Democratic Party, that provided patronage jobs and some degree of social support and welfare to immigrants in exchange for votes. The machines were run by siphoning off taxpayer money. Tammany Hall was of course the most famous example. FDR and the New Deal basically nationalized these political machines.

  187. Peasant says:
    @Jack D

    ‘Askenazi Jews are an outlier group – one of the very few natural experiments in eugenic breeding in all of history’

    Eugenic?

    Eugenic?

    You call a parasitical culture dedicated to moving into other peoples countries and putting itself in opposition to the great mass of the people eugenic? Ashkenazi jews may be a product of selective breeding but I would hardly call them a product of eugenics. I am reminded of Herzel who said that one of the Jews chief problems was the overproduction of people who could not work with their hands but who were nevertheless not intelligent enough to compete for top tier jobs. He said of these people: ‘When we sink, we become a revolutionary proletariat, the subordinate officers of all revolutionary parties; at the same time, when we rise, there rises also our terrible power of the purse’ ie what caused the Russian revolution was an oversupply of midwit Ashkenazi jews. Herzl wanted to reform these people with zionism and make them a balanced nation like all others with productive workers, middle class, upper class etc. Of course we all know how that ended…

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  188. @AndrewR

    I didn’t make taxpayer funded ESL “seem” like anything in my original posting; I just stated that it didn’t exist in 1890– but since you starting whining about it, I’ll have to say that my sentiments (and very first hand knowledge about ESL as it is conducted in local community colleges) puts me squarely in Mad Dog’s corner.

  189. @Lot

    Two personality types: people with concentric loyalties (conservative) vs. people with leapfrogging loyalties (liberal).

    Dersh is the former. But these days, most American Jews who tend to be normal, healthy loyalists by personality are more loyal to Jews and/or Israel than to Americans. In the current cultural atmosphere, there little downside to the former and very little to not being the latter.

    It’s not impossible that loyalist Jews could be reoriented more toward American patriotism over a long period, but it will be extremely difficult. At present, almost nobody even notices this situation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  190. @Corvinus

    Corvinus wrote:

    I’m not anointing anyone. Vox Day is Alt Right. Remember the 16 points!

    Fallacy of negative definition: the so-called “Alt-Right” are basically people who are anti-Left but not adherents of Conservatism, Inc. No real organization, no “leaders,” etc.

    Vox Day is also a “non-Hindu.” But, again, that is a negative definition: “non-Hindus” are not a coherent group, they have no central organization, there are no “non-Hindu” leaders, etc.

    By the way, you yoursefl are a “non-Hindu,” so if we seriously accept negative definitions, this would make Vox Day your leader!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  191. Peasant says:
    @Corvinus

    ‘Alt Right leader Vox Day’

    not alt right and part mesoamerican. Actually the first immigrant group in any numbers to attract critique were the Germans who Thomas Jefferson wished assimilated as quickly as possible and who still spoke German untill world war one.

  192. @Anonymouse

    Godfrey Elfwick went to the same university as I did.

    No, not at the same time.

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

  193. @Lugash

    Women also like jewelry that is bright and shiny like blonde hair. Why? It catches the light and thus attracts attention. Women like attention.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  194. bjondo says:
    @Joe Stalin

    The sculptor intends one thing the poetess intends another – bring in the Russian Jews.

  195. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    You’re not referring to that Cuban family engineering and construction firm that built that state of the art pedestrian bridge over Calle Ocho in Miami are you?

  196. @Forbes

    Keep in mind that we’re trusting his account about the 32 firms. And even if it were true, I certainly wouldn’t have wanted someone like him at my firm. And it has nothing to do with anyone’s religion.

  197. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard

    Dershowitz’s grandparents came to America at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. You can Google a text string like “Mayflower immigrants” for publications published before 1900 to see if it comes up. For example, this memoir by some guy named Oliver Alden Taylor in 1854 describes an ancestor as “one of the Mayflower immigrants”:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=PqsjtBcRZ9cC&pg=PA14&dq=”mayflower+immigrants”&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjFltjHlfrcAhWqr1kKHYUJBtoQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=”mayflower immigrants”

  198. @DFH

    10-4; I feel ya brother, but I’m gonna have play my technical semantics card. I said “mother countries” not “nation”.

  199. @syonredux

    It’s almost as though our nation’s leaders were lying to us all that time.

  200. Corvinus says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “Fallacy of negative definition: the so-called “Alt-Right” are basically people who are anti-Left but not adherents of Conservatism, Inc. No real organization, no “leaders,” etc.”

    Pay close attention. @istevefan said to me “Quit anointing our leaders and then using their words to make your argument.”

    To anoint means to “ceremonially confer divine or holy office upon”. I did nothing of the sort. Rather, I correctly said that Vox Day is Alt Right, who created the 16 points. Clearly, he took the lead on this matter. Furthermore, he looks to lead people to adhere to these principles. It stands to reason that he is leader of a group of people who are anti-left but not adherents of Conservatism. The Alt Right is organized toward this endeavor.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  201. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Two personality types: people with concentric loyalties (conservative) vs. people with leapfrogging loyalties (liberal).”

    Could you please expand upon this topic? How did you come about this conclusion? Seriously, I would like to know more about your logic and reasoning on this matter.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  202. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The strongest argument against this Dershowitz essay would be an HBD one: immigrants from places like Honduras tend to commit crime at much higher rates, earn much less, and be more dependent on government resources than Jewish, Polish, or Irish immigrants in the past. Given that, why would Steve, who coined the phrase human biodiversity , go for an implied Jewish chauvinism argument instead?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  203. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[527] wrote:

    They [the ancient Jews] also carried out intentional genocide to eradicate the Canaanites in the first place.

    Probably not — that appears to just be Yahwist propaganda. Read the Old Testament with a crticial eye, as modern scholars do, and it is pretty clear that the ancient Jews largely worshipped the Canaanite gods: the Baals and all that (that is what the Yahwist “prophets” were constantly kvetching about).

    The ancient Jews were just the Canannites who lived in the Judean hills.

    It’s funny how even most (non-academic) skeptics still tend to buy the religious propaganda that the ancient Jews, as well as primitive Christianity, were ahistorical intrusions into the course of hiistory.

    No.

    Yahwism was simply an internal attempt among one group of elite Canannites to take control of Palestine with support from their semi-monotheistic Persian overlords (the OT books of Ezra and Nehemiah are pretty explicit about that — i.e., the conflict with the “people of the land” — even if the historical details in thsoe books are not correct).

    And, Christinaity was simply a Hellenistic mystery religion very loosely based on Judaism, just as the cult of Isis was very loosely based on Egyptian mythology.

    Classical history makes a lot more sense when these facts, known to competent scholars, are understood.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  204. @Corvinus

    Corvy wrote to me:

    I correctly said that Vox Day is Alt Right, who created the 16 points. Clearly, he took the lead on this matter. Furthermore, he looks to lead people to adhere to these principles.

    But ol’ Vox hasn’t actually succeeded, now has he??

    Corvy also wrote:

    It stands to reason that he is leader of a group of people who are anti-left but not adherents of Conservatism. The Alt Right is organized toward this endeavor.

    You’re being silly — Vox is a pompous blowhard who is occasionally (very occasionally) entertaining. There is no “Alt-Right” that is “organized toward this endeavor.”

    Corvy, you’re a conspircacy theorist.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  205. APilgrim says:

    Catholics, Jews & Atheists OVER-CONTRIBUTE to SCOTUS.

    Associate Supreme Court Justice, Neil McGill Gorsuch is the Sole ‘Protestant’.

    There are no: Orthodox, Reform-Church, Congregationalists, and/or Deists on the court.

    The LACK of ‘Protestant-Christians’, & The Protestant Ethic, is tragic.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  206. @Paul Rain

    It strikes me that there is something in common between your First Law of Lady Journalists and the first commandment (‘Is it good for…’) that these people follow.

    It’s all about them.

    Excellent observation Mr. Rain. The basic behavior i’d noted–it’s obvious–but my old brain hadn’t the connection with Sailer’s law.

    But you’re right it’s pretty much a direct analogy. The most heartfelt Jewish journalism is always the assertion that (American) society was a poor, pathetic place until the Jews–their ancestors– came along and made it wonderful. (And analogous bitching about how they were treated by men/gentiles.) America would be nothing without the Jews. The only real difference is that American already has been re-engineered so that the Jews appreciated and in-charge.

    When it comes to ethnic groups, Jews basically are the girls–lots of yap, yap, yap and an endless need to be admired. Your Anglos and Germanics are the men–the guys who build stuff without endlessly feeling compelled to toot their own horn. My Irish ancestors are in between. Mostly they’ll just show up and work, but if you give them something to drink …

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  207. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achilles

    Dershowitz deserves credit for denouncing the prosecution of Zimmerman from the outset. He saw right away the case would end in a train wreck.

  208. GSR says:
    @Barnard

    Spot on. Immigrants move to already set-up societies. Colonists, settlers, build societies.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  209. @FactsAreImportant

    Titania McGrath is artful trolling on the same level as David Thorne (from 27bslash6.com ), whose “Do You Have a MacBook Pro?” is a good example.

    Thorne also perpetrates his trolling in real life interactions (e.g., with his landlord’s agent). He seems not to be able to resist.

    Excerpt of the ‘gold moment’ in that exchange:

    From: Helen Bailey
    Date: Friday 22 May 2009 9.43am
    To: David Thorne
    Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pets in the building

    David, I am unsure what to make of your email. Do you have pets in the apartment or not?
    Helen

    From: David Thorne
    Date: Friday 22 May 2009 11.27am
    To: Helen Bailey
    Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pets in the building

    Dear Helen,
    No. I have a goldfish but due to the air conditioner in my apartment being stuck on a constant two degrees celcius, the water in its bowl is iced over and he has not moved for a while so I do not think he is capable of disturbing the neighbours. The ducks in the bathroom are not mine.

    The noise which my neighbours possibly mistook for a dog in the apartment is just the looping tape I have of dogs barking which I play at high volume while I am at work to deter potential burglars from breaking in and stealing my tupperware. I need it to keep food fresh. Once I ate leftover chinese that had been kept in an unsealed container and I experienced complete awareness. The next night I tried eating it again but only experienced chest pains and diarrhoea.

    It’s the little flourishes that provide the comedy – “The ducks in the bathroom are not mine” just comes out of the blue. And the digressions… the digressions.

  210. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Dersh’s sophistry, which is a very common argument lately, is that “past immigration made us who we are now.” Thus, if we like ourselves now immigration must be great for our future!

    How about this? Since Dersho loves the New America, how about white people side with these non-Jews, especially Muslims, against Jewish power and privilege?

    After all, if the US needs a new people, it also needs a new elite. All must be replaced, from bottom to top.

    So, fill up farms and factories with non-whites, and let’s replace Jewish Americans in elite institutions with non-Jews, especially Muslims. Change is good.

    American elites were ‘reinvented’ from Wasps(now Wascs — White Anglo Saxon Cucks) to Jews, it is time to reinvent the elites from Jewish-Zionist to pro-Palestinian-POC.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  211. Anon[882] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    A guy ate an airport concession-bought, packaged roll, macaroni salad, and pie piece. He didn’t visibly savor it and in fact “wolfed” it. Then he stood up and adjusted his trousers.

    I can see why you were so traumatized that it has stayed with you for two years. I hope you recover.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @anonymous
  212. GSR says:
    @AndrewR

    ESL retards learning English dude. Wise up.

  213. @Corvinus

    “Dershowitz is certainly full of himself – without Jews the United States would not have progressed so far so quickly – without immigration the United States would still be a rustic country of little import.”

    Indeed, he is conceited, but in a similar way such as Alt Right leaders like John Derbyshire or Vox Day…

    Corvinus is a troll of a less blatant sort.

    The above profundity is the second time here in iSteve that I’ve seen Corvinus associate Vox Day with a better known alt-righty– Steve himself in the first case and John Derbyshire in this, the second time.

    Now Corvinus is also trying to elevate Vox Day by association with the non-right but even better known Mr. Dershowitz.

    I think that “Corvinus” might actually be Ted Beale, a.k.a “Vox Day”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @PhysicistDave
  214. GSR says:
    @Corvinus

    Ah, the Founders were not immigrants. Duh.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  215. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    Does Dersh golf?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  216. @AnotherDad

    When it comes to ethnic groups, Jews basically are the girls–lots of yap, yap, yap and an endless need to be admired.

    You are not alone in this conclusion:

    https://propertarianism.com/2018/08/19/why-do-so-many-cultures-think-the-jewish-people-are-nefarious/

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  217. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym

    Trump is pro Israel. Dershowitz wants Trump re elected to continue his pro Israel policies.

  218. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The financial diplomatic and military support for Israel is controlled by about 600 people. That’s the President Secretary of State Secretary of Defense joint chiefs, maybe 20 key deputies and the Senators and Congress critters

    AIPAC has them under complete control and they do whatever they are told.

    If they step out of line their careers are destroyed

  219. “tons of pig iron smelted or whatever it is that Poles are good at.”

    Screwing in light bulbs? After all, it does take quite a few of ‘em to do it.

    Budda-BING!

  220. Corvinus says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “But ol’ Vox hasn’t actually succeeded, now has he??”

    Of course he has been succeeding in spreading the message and getting people to adhere to his principles, as evident by the popularity of his blog, his books, and his comics. Just ask him!

    “You’re being silly — Vox is a pompous blowhard who is occasionally (very occasionally) entertaining.”

    He is pompous, and he is entertaining, but like it or not, he is making inroads for the Alt Right.

    “There is no “Alt-Right” that is “organized toward this endeavor.”

    I see that you are pulling a Tyler Durden.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @PhysicistDave
  221. Corvinus says:
    @David Davenport

    I do not need to elevate Vox Day as a leader of the Alt Right, along with Mr. Sailer and Mr. Derbyshire, he does that all by himself.

  222. Corvinus says:
    @GSR

    “Spot on. Immigrants move to already set-up societies. Colonists, settlers, build societies.”

    Actually, immigrants move from one land to another land to colonize and settle in order to build societies.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  223. @GSR

    Yeah, be careful, or he’ll go off about his little (imaginary) friend, how he plays with him, or something to that effect. Wouldn’t say that he’s an outright hater of white people, but you never know. Certainly does seem to have a psychological hang up of hating the historical nation that was the US (pre-1965). Likes to atone for the “past sins” of whites, even though he hasn’t been asked to. But then again, Antifa likes to do the same thing, (atoning for white privilege), just taken in a more extreme direction.

    “But that is true as well of Mayflower descendants (our first immigrants).”

    Of course, the Mayflower arrivals were NOT immigrants. They were pioneers and colonists, looking for a new horizon. Immigrants are those that follow the road well traveled, and no one from the Old (and civilized) World ca.1620 had any real idea that what became the region of New England existed at the time.

    To be fair, Mr. Jared Taylor should have the word on this one:

    https://www.amren.com/videos/2017/04/america-is-not-a-nation-of-immigrants-e-pluribus-unum/

  224. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “The strongest argument against this Dershowitz essay would be an HBD one: immigrants from places like Honduras tend to commit crime at much higher rates, earn much less, and **be more dependent on government resources** than Jewish, Polish, or Irish immigrants in the past.”

    Make the argument rather than propose it.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  225. Jack D says:
    @Anonymouse

    You joke about this but I don’t think that there is 1 Mexican in a thousand who is capable of getting your joke. Not 1 in 100 who even knows who Plato is.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  226. @Corvinus

    “immigrants move from one land to another land to colonize and settle in order to build societies.

    That’s a lie. Immigrants by definition are not discovering anything. They are traveling the path that was already laid out. Colonists, pioneers in particular. Immigrants travel to already established nations. Example: The Jews. They have never discovered (on their own as an actual tribe) a new nation, a new land, etc. They immigrated to the US, once it was already established by the earlier arrivals (Pioneers, colonists). Pioneers and colonists discover new paths, new horizons. Immigrants = Johnny Come Latelies.

    Tell us once again about your little friend that you play with, like the five year olds, or, as the arrested development Peter Pans.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  227. From dictionary.com, meaning of immigrant:

    “A person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.”

    Translation: moving to another country, one that has already been established. Johnny Come Latelies.

  228. @AndrewR

    WTF? You make taxpayer-funded ESL classes seem like a bad thing. If we are going to have any immigration at all we must maximize their ability to learn English ASAP. This is a no-brainer.

    If we’re going to have immigrants at all, they need to know how to speak English before they get here. Kind of a no-brainer.

  229. Anon 2 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Re: Blonde women

    True! I once traveled to Las Vegas with a beautiful young Polish woman,
    a distant relative of mine. I still remember how when we emerged from
    our hotel (where we stayed in separate rooms!), her voluminous shoulder-length
    blonde hair caught the intense Nevada sunlight. For all I know she could’ve been in shampoo
    commercials, her (naturally) blonde hair was a thing of beauty, a tribute
    to God’s creation. Later that day as we walked through a casino I saw men
    follow her with their eyes like a goddess, and then they would look at me,
    apparently thinking what has this guy got that I haven’t got (they either assumed
    I was her boyfriend or maybe a (much older) sugar daddy. Either way I think
    they assumed I must’ve been wealthy to squire a woman of that caliber.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  230. kiismerhe says:
    @Anonymouse

    I have just inhaled the same N2 molecule that a certain Spinosaurus farted out exactly 102 million years ago.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  231. @anonymous

    More importantly, does he lift?

  232. Phil says:

    Jews have led the shredding of the Constitution, the vulgarization of the culture, the replacement of whites with nonwhites, and the emergence of virulent anti-white racism. The accomplishments of Jews do not come close to compensating for the catastrophes for which they are responsible.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  233. @Anon

    He didn’t “adjust his trousers”. He pulled them out of his skanky ass right in front of my face. And yes, when someone behaves so disgustingly that it triggers the amygdala, then those memories stick. The guy was a loutish slob. If you want to take his side, be my guest. You two can hang out together.

  234. @Anon 2

    “Squiring a woman of that calibre”, “the eyes of a goddess”, etc.

    Who actually speaks like this in 2018? The Geritol generation? What IS that? I mean, next is gonna come “and boy, that dame sure was swell! All the boys gave me the ay-okay, and she really was the cat’s meow! Hiyah, babe!” etc., etc.

    That sure doesn’t sound like Vegas post 1980 to now. More like when Bugsy Siegel, Frank and the Rat Pack owned the joints and kept the party polite all around.

    Expecting Katherine to drop by soon and show us some more smutty pictures.

  235. @moshe

    “anyone who even had to ask whether “she” is a troll is either a goy, an autist or both”

    “lots of you locals think that tiny duck is serious too. why are you people even allowed to read and write??”

    looks like tiny duck has some competition around these parts

  236. @The Wild Geese Howard

    An Italian friend once asked me, “Why do Jewish guys all act like broads?”

  237. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous

    According to Wikipedia, there are about 50 million German Americans,
    35 million Irish Americans, 16 million Italian Americans (other sources
    mentioned 20 million), 12 million Scandinavians, and 10 million Polish
    Americans (mostly in the Northeast and the Great Lakes region). Hence the
    Polish are a much smaller group than the Italians, let alone the Irish.
    Moreover, they are thoroughly assimilated which means that perhaps
    no more than 50% carry surnames with typical Polish endings like
    -ski, -cki, -icz, -ak, -ik, etc. For example, Dan Rostenkowski’s daughter
    shortened her last name to Rosten. Cf. Gwyneth Paltrow’s paternal
    ancestors shortened their name from a typically Polish Paltrowicz to
    Paltrow. There are more Scandinavian Americans than the Polish, and yet
    offhand I can’t think of any famous Scandinavian Americans. Both
    the Poles and the Scandinavians being northern peoples (the northern tip
    of Poland at 54°N corresponds to Labrador), do not seek the limelight
    as much as the southern ethnicities like the Italians, Jews, Greeks, and
    even more blacks who always seem to operate in the “Look at me” mode.

    • Replies: @JSM
    , @Anonymous
  238. syonredux says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Expecting Katherine to drop by soon and show us some more smutty pictures.

    Only if you spell the name of the goddess correctly….

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  239. … are trying to close the door to broad legal immigration because they don’t like how the current immigrants look, speak, vote, and raise their families.

    Not liking how immigrants or their children vote is actually a very good, rational reason to reduce immigration. Ultimately, immigrants or the children of immigrants get full voting rights, and they get to impose their political will on those that live here, and that can radically alter things for the worse for those that live here.

  240. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Of course he has been succeeding in spreading the message and getting people to adhere to his principles, as evident by the popularity of his blog, his books, and his comics. Just ask him!

    I’m sure that he does very well in cloudcuckooland….

    He is pompous, and he is entertaining, but like it or not, he is making inroads for the Alt Right.

    Perhaps in Ruritania….or maybe Graustark….

  241. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Who actually speaks like this in 2018? The Geritol generation? What IS that?

    1. Your appreciation of the art of irony is somewhat lacking, dear chap.

    2. Speaking of, you actually know what “Geritol” is. I had to look it up.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  242. @Corvinus

    Corvinus wrote to me:

    Of course he [Vox Day] has been succeeding in spreading the message and getting people to adhere to his principles, as evident by the popularity of his blog, his books, and his comics. Just ask him!

    Y’know, Corvy, you seem to have an even higher opinion of Vox than he has himself — something I would have considered a logical impossibility!

    Have you ever tried to actually read Vox’s stuff? I did, when I first heard of him, until I finally realized that his writing would make a good substitute for Sominex.

    The idea that Vox is the energizing force behind the Alt-Right is a bit like trying to use an auto parts manual for inspirational speeches.

    Corvy also wrote to me:

    I see that you are pulling a Tyler Durden.

    Wasn’t he an actor or something? In a movie with Garland and Rooney, maybe?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  243. There are more Scandinavian Americans than the Polish, and yet
    offhand I can’t think of any famous Scandinavian Americans.

    You’d probably recognize a lot of their names, but don’t recognize them as Scandinavian.

    Ever heard of Walter Mondale, Lloyd Bentsen, John Anderson, William Rehnquist, Karl Rove? Edgar and Candice Bergen, Ann-Margret, Buddy Ebsen, Leslie Nielsen, Loni, Lynn, and Louie Anderson? Mark Wahlberg, Scarlett Johansson, Viggo Mortensen, the Gyllenhaals? Marc Andreassen and Jeff Bezos? Sonny Jurgensen, Boomer Esiason, Ryne Sandberg? Otto Harbach, Leroy Anderson, Harry Nilsson, Kris Kristofferson, Todd Rundgren?

    Ever shop at Nordstrom’s or Walgreen’s?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  244. @David Davenport

    David Davenport wrote:

    Indeed, he [Dersh] is conceited, but in a similar way such as Alt Right leaders like John Derbyshire or Vox Day…

    Ah, but Derb and Dersh are actually smart and often have interesting things to say, even if you disagree with them. As for Ted Beale (AKA Vox), perhaps he actually is nice in person — I couldn’t say.

    • Replies: @anon
  245. Alan Dershowitz is surprisingly productive:

    A howitzer lands.
    Hits rad law zone.
    Nasalized wroth.
    Towline hazards.
    Tarnish law, doze.
    Anal width’s zero.

    And, most apt:

    Law razed not his.

  246. anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I know you’re trying to be humorous but psychic trauma isn’t funny, it’s real and it does real damage. My story: I once saw a older woman tell a kid to get moving at the bottom of an escalator at a Manhattan cinema. She may have even touched him, I don’t know – it happened so fast. People tell me to “get over it”, I have never “gotten over” it. Some things are just so horrific that they burn themselves into your brain.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  247. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I don’t find Derb conceited, he seems pretty frank about his own faults.

  248. anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Signe Toly Anderson, Gus Hall (Finn but ethnic Swede), Grace Wing Slick, David Johansen, Merlin Olsen, Ashley Olsen, Mary-Kate Olsen, Jimmy Olsen, and Paris Hilton.

  249. anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    FYI: Tyler Durden is the man who killed Emmett Till in Scottsboro, Alabama. Till said “hands up, don’t shoot” but Durden was a racist cop and shot him anyhow.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  250. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous

    For what it’s worth here are a few famous Polish Americans:

    TV & movies: Martha Stewart, Christine Baranski, Pola Negri, John Krasinski,
    Pat Sajak, Ted Knight, Kristen Bell, Maria Bello, Jane Krakowski, Rose Marie,
    Loretta Swit, Gore Verbinski, Janusz Kaminski, Jenny Jones, Steve Wilkos,
    Meg Ryan, Johnny Galecki, Mika Brzezinski, Tracey Ullman, …

    Theater: Helen Modjeska, Jerzy Grotowski, James Rado (Radomski),…

    Music: Gene Krupa, Leopold Stokowski, Pat Benatar, Basia, Ray Manzarek,
    Richie Sambora, Liberace, Bobby Vinton, Peter Cetera, Jan Kaczmarek,
    John Rzeznik, …

    Politics: Gen. Kosciuszko, Gen. Pulaski, Ed Muskie, Leon Jaworski, Barbara
    Mikulski, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bill Lipinski, Lisa Murkowski, Tim Pawlenty,
    Dan Rostenkowski, Curtis Sliwa, John Gronouski, Ed Derwinski, Ted Kulongoski,
    Charles Krulak (Marine Corps), …

    Scientists: Albert Michelson (Nobel Prize), Frank Wilczek (Nobel Prize), Jack
    Szostak (Nobel Prize), Alfred Korzybski, Joseph Polchinski (physics), …

    Authors: Charles Bukowski, Mark Danielewski, Stuart Dybek, Andrew Nagorski,
    Diane Wakoski, Nicholas Kristof (NYT), …

    I leave out notables in sports and business, as there would be too many. In general,
    Polish Americans are overrepresented in the armed forces and also seem to be
    overrepresented in the FBI.

    Regarding Dershowitz, it’s interesting that as Poland is growing in wealth and power,
    suddenly American Jews like Bernie Sanders or Dershowitz are willing to admit
    to their Polish origins, something they would have never done 20-30 years
    ago.

  251. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    When you take a “wide stance” a good shine afterwards is a must.

  252. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Competent scholars = true Scotsman.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  253. Anon 2 says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Re: Squiring a woman of that caliber

    1. I do admit to no longer being in my middle earlies.
    I actually do remember Vegas from the Rat Pack days.

    2. When I wrote “I saw men follow her with their eyes like
    a goddess,” I obviously did NOT mean she had eyes like
    a goddess. On the other hand, men of my age have been
    known for their proclivity for hardboiled fiction and film
    noir so there’s that.

  254. @Anon 2

    Regarding Dershowitz, it’s interesting that as Poland is growing in wealth and power,
    suddenly American Jews like Bernie Sanders or Dershowitz are willing to admit
    to their Polish origins, something they would have never done 20-30 years
    ago.

    This is sheer fantasy.

  255. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    Being half Polack myself I would point out Clement Anthony Bozewski, also known as Dr. Clem Burke, the greatest rock and roll drummer in the world today in my opinion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpL1loMCq4

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    , @hhsiii
  256. eah says:
    @syonredux

    Of course if you replace Israel with America (or any white country), and Jewish with (white) Christian, it’s ‘white supremacism’ and a completely unacceptable statement that will get you banned from many European (!) countries, as Richard Spencer is — I have not heard he is banned from Israel though (?).

  257. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The real blue collar music guy in the Chicago mills:

    Myron Floren
    (November 5, 1919 – July 23, 2005) was an American musician best known as the accordionist on The Lawrence Welk Show between 1950 and 1980. Floren came to prominence primarily from his regular appearances on the weekly TV show, where Lawrence often referred to him as “the happy Norwegian”.[1]

    He was highly regarded by bandleader Lawrence Welk, who was an accomplished accordion player in his own right. Floren functioned as Welk’s principal assistant and second-in-command. In Floren’s autobiography Accordion Man, written with his daughter Randee Floren, he recalled handling road manager duties when the band traveled, including hotel arrangements and other logistics. He has been seen in a hosting role of repeats of The Lawrence Welk Show on PBS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Floren

  258. Realist says:
    @Joe Walker

    Trump is a sycophant of Netanyahu.

    FIFY

  259. @ThreeCranes

    That Emmeline Pankhurst looks as though she could have been Jimi Hendrix’s mother.

    The real Mrs Pankhurst and her daughter put their suffrage work 0n hold to participate in the despicable “white feather” campaign.

    Her other daughter was a pacifist, and more ethical than them, and expressed her horror at what they were doing.

    Most all of the girls handing out feathers to men in civilian clothes were innocent teenagers duped into doing so, later apologizing and living it down. The Pankhurst women were something else indeed.

    So, if anything, portraying Mrs P as Hendrix’s mom is understated. Make that Hendrix’s dad. Make that Hendrix’s corpse.

    Hell, make her look, and sound, like Janis Joplin!

  260. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Who actually speaks like this in 2018? The Geritol generation?

    Your comment made me reach for the Sal Hepatica. We’re out of Bromo Seltzer.

    Now, where did I put that Burma Shave…?

  261. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    “Now we’re gettin’ somewhere!”

  262. Anon 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you. I wasn’t aware Clem Burke was Polish. But then he has a famous
    predecessor, Gene Krupa whom I remember seeing on Johnny Carson in the
    1960s (no relation to the beautiful Krupa sisters – they were actually born in Poland)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  263. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    The tribe has less claim on Israel than Americans have on the US

    You forget about the one thing that is always cited as the justification for the existence of a ‘Jewish state’, a place where any Jew can go to live (‘right of return’) — can you think what it is?

  264. Anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    I’m no expert on big band styles, but wasn’t Krupa, rather than the freakish Buddy Rich, the canonical big band drummer?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  265. imbroglio says:

    Sailer falls flat on this one.

    You can dislike Dershowitz and the members of his tribe and other “undeisrables,” but unable to refute, Dershowitz’s point, Sailer takes a cheap shot with the ad hominem.

    And who’s Steve Sailer anyhow?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  266. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “The strongest argument against this Dershowitz essay would be an HBD one: immigrants from places like Honduras tend to commit crime at much higher rates, earn much less, and **be more dependent on government resources** than Jewish, Polish, or Irish immigrants in the past.”

    Just as I suspected, you linked to a source that only lends evidence to one of the positions, which only focuses on immigrant children and not on the groups from the past. Furthermore, the source does not even reference HBD. Try between lifting sessions to muster up a relevant link that addresses the comparison in its entirety.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  267. Jack D says:
    @Anon 2

    Regarding Dershowitz, it’s interesting that as Poland is growing in wealth and power,
    suddenly American Jews like Bernie Sanders or Dershowitz are willing to admit
    to their Polish origins, something they would have never done 20-30 years
    ago.

    This is a fact – until 1986 Dershowitz claimed that his family was from France. He claimed that his real name was D’ Ershowitz. No one ever fact checked him on this and now it has been black holed by our (((media))) which as we all know is in the bag for Joos.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anon 2
  268. “…Mayflower descendants (our first immigrants).”

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

    Our “first immigrants” were the-Ahem!- “Native Americans”.

    Who emigrated from northeast Asia to a howling wilderness via the now-submerged Beringia some 15-20K years ago, chasing mammoths along the way. And in the process rendered them extinct.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  269. @U-Bahn

    I keep waiting for the Lolita Express to break wide open. The fact that it has not probably means that the dirty laundry is bipartisan.

  270. Anon 2 says:
    @Jack D

    Re: Dershowitz’s French origin

    Jack D, in his typically sarcastic frame of mind is wasting everybody’s time.

    Until recently most American Jews described themselves as either Russian Jews
    or German Jews (even Steve fell for this ruse) whereas the fact is that about 90% of the
    American Jews are descended from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
    (i.e., in today’s terms, central Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine)
    which briefly in the 19th century became part of the Russian empire in which the
    Jews were confined to the Pale of Settlement, roughly contiguous with the
    Commonwealth. So technically, a Jew from eastern Poland will describe himself
    as a Russian Jew but that’s historically very misleading. For example, Ben Gurion
    who was born in a northern suburb of Warsaw is sometimes described as
    a Russian Jew.

  271. @APilgrim

    There have never been any Supreme Court justices who are Mormon or Seventh Day Adventists, even though these are religions with large followings in the United States and both originated in the U.S.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  272. @Anon 2

    Nice list, but you would have been wise to skip the scientist section. Because Albert Abraham Michelson was Jewish. In fact, in total five of the eight Polish-born Nobel Prize winners in the sciences have been Jews. (6 for 9 if you want to count economics.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_Nobel_laureates

    And if you want to count Nobel Prize winners who were the children or grandchildren of immigrants from Poland (or what became Poland after WW1), it’s almost all us and none of you.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  273. @syonredux

    EWWWW, I didn’t actually mean to suggest HER per se. Was thinking more along the lines of:

    1. Ava Gardner (Truly the cat’s meow)
    2. Jean Simmons (Classical beauty, accent on the first syllable, class)
    3. Jean Peters (simply an amazing dish)
    4. Rita Hayworth (scrumptiously delightful)

    • Replies: @syonredux
  274. @Anon

    Sing-Sing isn’t far from Chappaqua. That’s very diverse.

    The Yelp reviews aren’t that great, though:

    https://www.yelp.com/biz/sing-sing-correctional-facility-ossining

  275. @Corvinus

    What becomes apparent with each of your posts re: immigration, is that you really don’t understand…uh, that no country actually “owes” the rest of the world’s people the right to immigrate to that individual nation, period. Almost as if you seem to take for granted that there’s some universal “right” of nation A to decide to immigrate to nation B. That’s not how it works. If suddenly tomorrow the US made official government policy along the lines of: A total halt of ALL immigration from now until the year 2050, well, that is the US’s right to set immigration policy for their own nation, and they really don’t owe the rest of the world an explanation for setting their own government policy regarding immigration. Rest of the world may not like it, but, too bad. Technically, it’s not their country.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  276. syonredux says:

    Dershowitz: “Immigrants Who Change America Are Its Lifeblood”

    “The blood is the life!”

    - Renfield

  277. @Anonymous

    1. Some of us actually paid attention to pop culture references.

    2. The Unz Report’s demographics skew older, which would tend to eliminate most Millennials and also Gen Xers from regularly reading this site, let alone knowing about it.

    3. For some reason, Geritols tend to want to clean up their particular score, T & A, rather than use honest language suitable for 2018 (or at least vocabulary from the last twenty years). Younger generations don’t have that hang up; they’re more honest in how they express themselves. But, as they age they will learn to obfuscate (e.g. use BS to express their actual feelings).

    Unz.com’s demographics trend older. Therefore its not entirely ironic that posts tend to use slang from the Rat Pack/Bugsy Siegel era. Tend to think that that kind of dialogue could actually be a part of their daily life. Certainly the words and phrases would be something the Geritol Generation heard growing up.

    Try talking like that around Millennials, see how far you get with their broads, girls, chicks, babes, beckys, etc.

  278. @Reg Cæsar

    I was actually being kind. Could’ve said:

    Who speaks like this? The Viagra generation?

    There. All fixed for early 21st century.

  279. @Anon

    According to Wiki, 2000 Census: Chappaqua is 91.80% white; 0.94% black; 5.62% Asian; Hispanic/Latino 2.55%.

    So its no longer 94%, it’s 91.80% white. Perhaps some White Flight is beginning while the getting is still good. Or some Viagras are migrating south to FL for retirement.

  280. Anon 2 says:
    @International Jew

    Re: Polish nobelists

    1. In fact, you are wrong. Albert Michelson’s father was Jewish but his
    mother was Polish Catholic so by the Jewish matrilineal laws he was
    not Jewish. I recommend you read his biography. Interestingly, Michelson,
    who was awarded a Nobel in physics, was born in Poland (in an area then
    occupied by Prussia) only a short distance from Copernicus’ birthplace.

    2. Under Polish nobelists I was careful not to include any who might be
    considered Jewish (which seems subjective because, e.g., Richard Feynman
    refused to have his name included in lists of Jewish scientists). But in your
    insistence on Jewishness as the only identity that truly counts you open
    yourself to the charge that the Jewish American Nobel Prize winners are
    not really American, and hence should not be included under Americans.
    After all, Poland in the 1930s was almost as multicultural as the U.S.
    in the 1930s. Poland then was 15% Ukrainian, 10% Jewish, 2% German,
    with small percentages of Lithuanians, Belarusians, Russians, Armenians, etc.

  281. JSM says:
    @Anon 2

    offhand I can’t think of any famous Scandinavian Americans.

    Norman Borlaug, curse his hide, winner of the Nobel Prize for his Green Revolution which served to vastly increase wheat yields “to solve world hunger,” thus enabling what Steve’s termed The World’s Most Important Graph.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-most-important-graph/

  282. Edik says:

    The late Lawrence Auster (also a descendant of Polish Jewish immigrants) on the “my-grandparents-were-immigrants” crowd:

    … the more-or-less successful assimilation of the European ethnic groups that had occurred by the 1960s blinded politicians and opinion makers to the crucial role that the 1921-1965 restrictions had played in that assimilation. It was as though a motorist, having arrived at his destination, forgot that the brakes of his automobile had been as necessary in getting him safely to his destination as the gas pedal—so before leaving on his next trip he removes the brakes. With similar forgetfulness, the political establishment concluded that America had an unlimited capacity for assimilating immigrants from every conceivable cultural background, and on that basis they cheerfully opened our borders to the entire world in 1965 and have kept opening them wider ever since, turning America into an ethnically and culturally divided society whose long-term survival as a nation is now in doubt for the first time since the Civil War.

    Which leads us back to the question of selfishness. Since millions of prospective European immigrants were kept out of the U.S. starting in the 1920s when most Americans believed that excessive immigration had become a threat to national unity, why should European-Americans feel it is selfish to exclude non-Europeans now for the same reason? Far from selfishness, it is simple fairness.

    The uncompromising pro-immigration stand of various ethnic organizations presents an even more pungent irony. If all descendants of immigrants, particularly ethnically diverse immigrants, have a hereditary obligation to crusade for open borders, then as soon as a nation lets in any diverse immigrants at all, it has spawned a domestic pro-immigration lobby that will (1) work incessantly to expand the numbers and power of its own group; (2) agitate to expand immigration generally; and (3) deny the society any moral right to restrict immigration in the future. If those are the rules of the game, i.e., if a society by admitting immigrants automatically loses its right to control future immigration, then what rational society would want to admit any immigrants? The “my-grandparents-were-immigrants” crowd do not realize that in their strident open-borders moralism, they are making the most devastating possible case against immigration, including the immigration that brought their own grandparents here.

  283. Anon 2 says:

    Speaking of Polish Americans, there is an interesting case of Freeman
    Hrabowski III, president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County.
    Dr. Hrabowski is black. His Polish name is due to his being a descendant
    of the Polish slave owner Eaton Hrabowski who lived in rural Alabama
    in the 19th century.

    This is the only Polish slave owner in the U.S. that I’m aware of. In fact,
    Gen. Kosciuszko urged Thomas Jefferson who was his good friend to liberate as
    many slaves as was financially possible upon his death.

  284. Anon 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Re: Gene Krupa

    I’m no expert on drumming but I can quote experts. According to Modern Drummer
    magazine, Gene Krupa (1909-73) is considered “the founding father of modern
    drumset.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  285. hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous

    I like this, Clem kinda goes off on this old clip of Blondie doing a punkie version of Denis:

  286. @Malcolm X-Lax

    La Cumbre – the burrito place right next to the San Mateo caltrain station is pretty good. I think a mexican invented La Cumbre. Therefore we need millions of mexicans. Or something like that.

  287. hhsiii says:
    @Anon 2

    I understand the self-imposed limitation, but Stan Musial has to go on the list. Also Carl Yastrzemski (aside from baseball hall of fame,former holder of the Long Island basketball single scoring record, breaking one set by Jim Brown). And Mike Krzyzewski (even as a UNC grad I have to concede)

    Also Stan Coveleski, one of the great interviews in The Glory of Their Times.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @anonymous
  288. @Anon from Chicago

    What is so fucking special about someone whose ancestors were in the US at the time of the Founding?

    They can write a sentence without using an f-bomb? Grow up.

  289. @Anon 2

    Regarding Dershowitz, it’s interesting that as Poland is growing in wealth and power, suddenly American Jews like Bernie Sanders or Dershowitz are willing to admit to their Polish origins, something they would have never done 20-30 years ago.

    Give me a break. Every Ashkenazi girl you met 20-30 years ago would tell you she’s “Russian-Polish-bla-bla-bla”.

  290. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    Trump’s immigration plan to eliminate family reunification policy decimates legal immigration. The vast majority of immigrants to the US are awarded visas because of family ties.

  291. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Not sure what he means by “Wall St. Firms” but if his point is “I couldn’t get a top job in NYC because antisemitism” that’s absolute bullshit. I worked at a Top Ten NYC firm, which was specifically founded by and for Jewish graduates of top-tier schools who, yes, despite that wouldn’t be hired by the “white shoe” firms. Typical Jew who thinks “muh grades” should be the deciding factor, when the real issue is they’re assholes no (non-jew) wants to work with. Apparently Dersh is so big an asshole even the Jew firm wouldn’t hire him.

  292. utu says:
    @hhsiii

    Bronko Nagurski and his long underwear.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  293. @Corvinus

    Perhaps if, instead of posting dozens of dishonest or just plain idiotic replies to each and every string, you devoted more time to reading and learning, you’d know more about this topic.

    At that point there would be at least one single topic on which you were knowledgeable.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  294. @Anon

    Companies could deny conservatives jobs (remember the Mozilla board member who had to resign under Obama due to him donating to the wrong political cause?).

    Much more than a board member. Brendan Eich created JavaScript, then co-founded Mozilla and served as both CTO and CEO. His ouster by a mob is on the level of James Watson or Lawrence Summers. All prove that you can be at the pinnacle of your high-status profession and still be at the mercy of SJWs.

    (The kicker? Eich did not support a fringe, minority view. It was the majority view. California Proposition 8 won, largely due to POC votes. SJWs are audacious and they want us broken and starving.)

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  295. Q says:

    … Even when I graduated first in my class from Yale Law School, and was editor in chief of the Yale Law Journal, and a future Supreme Court law clerk, I was turned down for a job by 32 out of the 32 Wall Street firms to which I applied.

    The book Tailspin by Steven Brill (himself Jewish) details how Jews took over Wall Street and ran it to the ground from the 70′s on. And it was exactly a group of Jewish shysters like Dershowitz himself, who graduated from Harvard/Yale Law and could not get a job on Wall Street, so they started their own scrappy law firms and started the trend of proxy fights, corporate raiders and leveraged buyouts that ran America’s companies to the ground. Once that ran its course these greedy bastards went on to give us MBS, CDS, and the Great Recession.

    Dershowitz had the gall to claim that “America owes it to the Jews to defend Israel, after all that we’ve done for America.” What did Jews give America other than completely unrestrained greed and lust? Everything they touched turned to shite, from Wall Street to K Street, Hollywood, the media, academia, the legal profession, DNC.

    With this piece Dershowitz just showed the world why people hate Jews. They could never be loyal to any country they live in. Wherever they go, this money and power hungry tribe seeks to dominate and eventually run the place to the ground out of greed. They just can’t help themselves. God’s chosen are here to lead the world to total destruction.

    If Jews are really that capable, why don’t they go run Africa? Turn the place into another America, since it was they who built this country according to Dershowtiz and his cronies.

  296. CCZ says:
    @Anon

    Perhaps Mr. Dershowitz can enjoy the migrants who change America by attending the Super Eid celebration at the US Bank Stadium, Minneapolis, Minnesota on August 21 where: “A sea of over 50,000 Muslims is expected to pray in one congregation.”

    “Striving to live by the words of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), “The best of people are those that bring the most benefit to the rest of mankind.” We as an organization make it our top priority to create a space for coming together, celebrating each other, and empowering one another. We are extremely excited to be hosting the first annual EID Prayer with dozens of masjids and organizations uniting and showcasing that in our togetherness we have power and in our togetherness is our way forward. We welcome the Minnesota Muslim community to join us this Eid Al-Adha 2018 at the US Bank Stadium.
    http://www.supereid.com/

    And I thought all those Somalis in Minnesota were poor refugees. The welfare benfits in Minnesota must be very good to be able to rent the stadium for a few days.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  297. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    Thanks for the link. Just as I suspected, Sailer’s arugment is based on a false premise–conservatives define groups concentrically and liberals define groups by leapfrogging loyalities. Individuals who are conservatives or liberals make those decisions for the benefit of their family, social class, or nation OR for the benefit of one group over another group at the expense of the group by which they belong. He neglects to take into even a modicum of consideration that each person has the ability to think abstractly as to how their choice will affect them positively or negatively.

    It is rather surprising that Sailer takes an elitist position. For example, he notes “What Haidt never quite gets across is that conservatives typically define their groups concentrically, moving from their families outward to their communities, classes, religions, nations, and so forth. If Mars attacked, conservatives would be reflexively Earthist. As Ronald Reagan pointed out to the UN in 1987, “I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world”.

    Here is the reality–if there was an alien invasion, the human race regardless of group ideologies would be reflexively “Earthist”, as our entire way of existence would be in jeopardy. Even Reagan takes note, so I am puzzled as to why Mr. Sailer included that quotation, as it seems to undermine his own position. It takes a ton of mental gymnastics for him to imply to his readers that liberals would rather try to “understand” the little green mean rather than “liquidate” them in order to save their planet from extinction.

    “As a down-to-Earth example, to root for Manchester United’s soccer team is conservative…if you are a Mancunian. If you live in Portland, Oregon, it’s liberal.”

    No, to root for Manchester United’s soccer team regardless of location indicates fandom, not political ideology. Not one of Sailer’s finest moments with that statement.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @syonredux
  298. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “What becomes apparent with each of your posts re: immigration, is that you really don’t understand…uh, that no country actually “owes” the rest of the world’s people the right to immigrate to that individual nation, period.”

    That would be a strawman on your part, as I never directly nor implied that attitude. I have repeatedly stated before the United States ought to reduce immigration levels.

    “Almost as if you seem to take for granted that there’s some universal “right” of nation A to decide to immigrate to nation B. That’s not how it works.”

    That would be your second strawman.

    “If suddenly tomorrow the US made official government policy along the lines of: A total halt of ALL immigration from now until the year 2050, well, that is the US’s right to set immigration policy for their own nation, and they really don’t owe the rest of the world an explanation for setting their own government policy regarding immigration.”

    Yes, of course. Take a chill pill, Sparky. But members of the House and Senate would still owe an explanation of their reasoning why they supported or opposed such a policy to their constituents.

  299. Q says:
    @Tiny Duck

    A couple of narcissistic, identity obsessed punks. So much for Asians being smart. Dershowitz must be proud. Brainwashed milennials like them are the product of the last 5 decades of relentless indoctrination by the tribe. First, flood America with 3rd world immigrants, then indoctrinate them into good soldiers of the tribe through identity politics and victimology. The plan is working out swimmingly. America is being torn apart by multiculturalism and is going down in flames.

  300. ATBOTL says:

    I read some Dershowitz book when I was in college for a laugh. I think it was the one where he complains about intermarriage. I remember he claims he lobbied to end Saturday classes in his law school, which he believed were intentionally anti-Semitic. His ethno-mania and ethno-paranoia are at levels that shouldn’t even be possible.

  301. Q says:
    @Anonym

    Dershowitz has been defending Trump a lot lately, not sure why. Sure, Trump is innocent but what’s the motive?

    Did you hear? Trump moved Israel’s capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That to a Zionist like Dershowitz is as good as gold.

    Clinton was America’s first black president. Trump is America’s first Jewish president. Who needs Bernie Sanders?

  302. Q says:
    @Anon

    Can POC go blonde, or is it race treason?

    More like cultural appropriation.

  303. Q says:
    @Altai

    Ever wonder why there are so many more blonde women than blonde men? Over 90% of blonde women in America are fake blondes, especially if they are (((white))).

  304. res says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Corvinus might be someone’s AI experiment.

    I’ve wondered about that. The form is surprisingly consistent, modulo a pretty big shift a while back when the comments became longer, more sophisticated, and less blatantly fallacious.

    Selectively choosing which parts of comments to respond to seems like it would be the most challenging aspect of the persona.

    This might also explain why so many of his comments read as projection.

    An argument against would be his long commenting history at iSteve (back to 2006), though the big uptick in his comments during 2015-2016 might be a clue.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  305. @anonymous

    anonymous[321] wrote to me:

    Competent scholars = true Scotsman.

    Oh no — there are some competent scholars who are not Scottish, though I admit a lot of us Scots are pretty competent!

  306. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    and yet offhand I can’t think of any famous Scandinavian Americans.

    Well, the world’s richest man was born Jeffrey Jorgensen.

  307. @Mr. Rational

    I had a dream the other night where this whole site was an AI experiment of Ron’s. All the writers: Steve, the Derb, Anatoly etc were like those characters sitting around the table in those computer poker games. You know, Black Bart, Kitty etc.

    All the comments were written by artificial characters created by Ron, all youz guys and gals are just electronic phantasms. Ron and others took great delight in creating an oddball assortment of looney commenters and made a real effort to imbue each with a distinctive personality. The challenge being to do all this electronically.

    And I here I am, daft enough to sit here and peck away at my keyboard in earnest.

    I must be insane.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  308. @Anonym

    Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Dersh is a big fan of proper application of the law? He is defending Trump. He has also spoken out about anti-free speech activities on campi across the country. His opinion on immigration is just an opinion and his legal background and accomplishments don’t give his opinions on non-legal matters any more significance than that of a random guy on the street, but when it comes to legal matters, he appears to attempt to be unbiased.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  309. @Mr. Rational

    The founders fertility was not much lower than the immigrants during this time period , 1850 – 1900. Hard to imagine the few million who migrated during this time effected the fertility of the founders, As the average American female during this time had 5.2 children.

    Fertility rates fell the most from 1930 – 1940 when immigration was lowest. Fertility again fell from 1964- 1974 when immigration levels were still low.

    although I suspect immigration since 1988 is a small reason for the increased cost of homes in towns with “good schools”. The main cause of this is because the Black population doubled since 1970. It is actually amazing how well America is doing today despite seeing the Black population having grown from 21 million to 44 million over the last 45 years as the white population stagnated.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  310. @Mr. Rational

    The freed slaves would also have seen a jump in their fertility … an even bigger increase than the whites, as blacks were the ones hurt most by allowing 25 million Europeans to migrate into our nation.

    Without admitting the millions of fertile Europeans from 1850 – 1930 the Black population in American would have reached 33% of the US population by 1940, just as we sent 650,00 white men to die overseas….

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  311. Anonym says:
    @Don't Look at Me

    Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Dersh is a big fan of proper application of the law? He is defending Trump. He has also spoken out about anti-free speech activities on campi across the country. His opinion on immigration is just an opinion and his legal background and accomplishments don’t give his opinions on non-legal matters any more significance than that of a random guy on the street, but when it comes to legal matters, he appears to attempt to be unbiased.

    Dersh, is that you?

    It’s funny that we have had upwards of 10 people opine on the “why”, the motive behind Dersh’s rhetoric, and you are the first to suggest some sort of lily pure rule of law devotion.

    Let’s face it, getting off guilty clients is at root an exercise in intellectual d*** waving, not moral grandstanding.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  312. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    “As a down-to-Earth example, to root for Manchester United’s soccer team is conservative…if you are a Mancunian. If you live in Portland, Oregon, it’s liberal.”

    No, to root for Manchester United’s soccer team regardless of location indicates fandom, not political ideology. Not one of Sailer’s finest moments with that statement.

    Steve’s argument, dear fellow, is that ideology is something of an epiphenomenon. For example, if an American Jew feels a strong attachment to Israel, he will contrive all sorts of reasons for why the USA must support Israel.But the reasons are secondary to the emotion….

    Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them.

    David Hume

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  313. syonredux says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    EWWWW, I didn’t actually mean to suggest HER per se.

    No other woman is more deserving of of the all-caps treatment….. her name resonates with the music of the spheres…..

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  314. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Steve’s argument, dear fellow, is that ideology is something of an epiphenomenon. For example, if an American Jew feels a strong attachment to Israel, he will contrive all sorts of reasons for why the USA must support Israel.But the reasons are secondary to the emotion…”

    His argument remains squarely based on a false premise. And I also note how you are using the word “contrive’ here, as if the Jew is planning or scheming. Some Jews may indeed develop a rationale for why America ought to support Israel, which may be based on reason, emotion, or both. It depends upon the motivations of the individual and whether they themselves view the reasons or emotions are of primary or secondary importance. Certainly an outsider may interpret the Jew’s conviction as being based on reason or emotion, but that would be a personal assessment, and not hard fact, unless of course the Jew was asked directly.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  315. Hhsiii says:
    @Anonym

    Nope. Although in the Von Bülow movie, the best line is the Indian immigrant saying in sing song ipidgin “so what if he is guilty? That’s the fun! That’s the challenge!” Dersh didn’t invent the adversarial system. You can both be dedicated to the rule of law and strive within it. It’s designed that way. Mostly by Englishmen.

  316. @Prester John

    Who emigrated from northeast Asia to a howling wilderness

    Europeans, aka Solutreans.  The Siberians who came via Beringia were latecomers.

    The Americas are rightfully European.

  317. @res

    An argument against would be his long commenting history at iSteve

    I didn’t say it was the same AI all the time.  Experiments often have multiple revisions.

    Such an AI used beneficially would be very useful for educating children, no?  Probably be more effective than a lot of ed-school graduates in K-6.

  318. Hhsiii says:
    @kiismerhe

    You’d answer that if he said that at a casual gathering in person? oh I went to school with him. Dinosaur fart joke? Really?

  319. Hhsiii says:
    @William Badwhite

    He seems to do ok. You may as well admit some of his reasoning is ok instead of complaining overwhelms you.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  320. @Richard Knox

    The freed slaves would also have seen a jump in their fertility

    In the absence of welfare, that would only have happened if their productivity allowed them to feed so many children.

    Without the careful management of their erstwhile owners, and given the history between 1865 and the welfare era, I doubt this would have been the case.

    • Replies: @Travis
  321. MB says: • Website

    The Dersh fails to distinguish, while they weren’t WASP immigrants, they were European.
    Big diff, but D who has stood up to the Left mob re. impeaching Drumpf, doesn’t want to be thought a rayciss because you know, Jefferson and the First Amend were all about polygamy, honor killing, female genital mutilation and taquiyya.

    Well yeah, the Mormons don’t count when it comes to tolerating free exercise of marriage, but hey. That’s water under the bridge and their intersectional social construct whyte priviledge makes up for it.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  322. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    I would hate to be the Mexican cleaning the restrooms after two days of Somali Bowl.

  323. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    Krupa was a pioneer and slightly older. Krupa did build the bass drum, snare drum, hi-hat “frame” that modern drummers all take for granted. So maybe you could say there could be no Rich without Krupa. Buddy Rich was a better technical drummer — he was very gifted physically and mentally for drumming. I think Krupa will always be remembered for playing with Benny Goodman in the thirties, there was magic there. Both were showmen, but Rich thrived on the road and Krupa was a little eaten up by it — as a result Krupa did a lot of teaching in his later years. I love them both — I’ve learned more about drumming listening to Rich but that’s due to his recording for a longer period and in the high fidelity era.

  324. @syonredux

    But of course there are plenty of painfully sour notes in that cacophony. I simply don’t see it. There is a reason that she tended to wear pants a whole lot. If Kate had amazingly gorgeous legs of say, Rita Hayworth, then the studios would’ve emphasized that part of her anatomy. In point of fact, there simply isn’t any there there with Kate. Yes, technically it is a female. But, really? Honestly now. Is one so certain and sure about that?

    Now Ava Gardner. Rita Hayworth. Jennifer Jones. Jean Peters.

    Smoldering, sizzling, sensuality. Those dames are bigger than their pictures. During WW2, the Boys were literally lusting for, hoping to have, a glimpse of Rita. Of Ava. Of Lana Turner. With Ava and Lana, they knew what they were fighting for. To get back stateside to the Hollywood Canteen and chat up the ones, those with total sex appeal.

    But Kate?

    Nope. Not bloody likely. Hamlet may have warned Ophelia to get thee to a nunnery but if he had had one glimpse of Kate and it would’ve been “Daddy, I can’t kill him ’cause Kate killed the testosterone. I’m off to join the priesthood.”

  325. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    1930-1940 was during the Great Depression. Hard to make hay when you’re on the street corner and hoping that some buddy spares a dime.

    The Baby Boom Generation (1946-64) when Fertility Rates picked up big time, and still there was little immigration. You kinda forgot to mention that part of the equation. One of the twentieth century’s biggest in Fertility Rates (not from an historical sense but from the last three quarters of the twentieth century) and still immigration was nil.

    Whatever your point was, suppose it was that historically speaking, immigration didn’t directly affect fertility rates. Although now, both immigration is very high, and fertility rates are low (for the founding stock of native born Americans and those immigrants who came before 1924).

    And that isn’t necessarily a good thing for the future of the US.

  326. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @hhsiii

    Bll Mazeroski.

  327. @Hhsiii

    Don’t forget HOF PIT OLB Jack Ham “Dobre Shunka” (good ham in Polish). One reason that Super Bowl XIV was as close as it was is that one of the greatest outside linebackers of the twentieth century was sidelined with a broken leg.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  328. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    … unless of course the Jew was asked directly.

    Would’t a planning and/or scheming Jew lie?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  329. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    With a linebacker coach like Polish-American Jerry Sandusky behind you, you learn to hustle.;)

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  330. @Hhsiii

    He has nine comments on this thread, another 10 on the “war on beckys” one. None are cogent.

  331. Travis says:
    @Mr. Rational

    The Black population in the united states doubled from 1860-1900 while the native white population grew far slower, from 26 Million to 31 Million, Thankfully 25 million white Europeans immigrated from 1850-1900. During the Civil war , 25% of the union soldiers were immigrants…

    Reduced immigration during World War I led to increased employment opportunities for black males. During the “Great Migration” that began in 1914, approximately half a million blacks moved from the South to urban areas in the North as the white males were sent to war in Europe. Without the massive immigration of Europeans from 1850-1915, Blacks would have more job opportunities far sooner, as the factories would have had no choice but to hire Blacks.

    Booker T. Washington pleaded with industrialists not to look to European immigrants to man their new factories but rather to the black a labor supply in the South. Blacks were always the residual labor pool and never able to enjoy the benefits of full employment, save for times of war when the preferred (white) immigrant supply was not available. Before the Civil War, slaves who gained their freedom and moved north suffered constant setbacks as immigrants pushed them aside. After the Civil War ended, black Americans had barely begun to find niches in industries and trades when the Great Wave of immigration drove them backward. Thus, few black people were able to move into the middle class until after mass immigration ended in 1924. During the tight-labor, low-immigration era of 1940 to 1970, the middle class grew from 20 percent of black Americans to 70 percent.

    The connections between high immigration and setbacks for black Americans are far too numerous and detailed to be dismissed as mere coincidence. Yet during this time of Blacks were twice as fertile as whites, and doubled their population without any Black immigration from 1860-1900.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  332. @Anonymous

    Sandusky wasn’t LB coach for most of when Ham was there, until the very end. Oops

  333. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “Would’t a planning and/or scheming Jew lie?”

    Not necessarily. Depends upon what he/she was planning and/or scheming, and what evidence you had that they were lying.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  334. @Travis

    the native white population grew far slower, from 26 Million to 31 Million, Thankfully 25 million white Europeans immigrated from 1850-1900.

    So you’re saying the White population MORE than doubled (26 to 56 million) but with the burden of almost half foreigners.  Why should we be THANKFUL for this?  The immigrants were competition for the native Whites, and often brought crime (Irish gangs, Sicilian mafia) and other burdens with them, not the least of which was kulturkampf.

    Reduced immigration during World War I led to increased employment opportunities for black males. During the “Great Migration” that began in 1914, approximately half a million blacks moved from the South to urban areas in the North as the white males were sent to war in Europe.

    US participation in the wars in Europe was a gross mistake, prompted by (((alien interests))).  Those (((alien interests))) are prime among those who should never have been admitted post-1850.

    Without the massive immigration of Europeans from 1850-1915, Blacks would have more job opportunities far sooner

    Without the treasonous elites involving the USA in those wars, there would have been no job opportunities for Blacks and they would have had to stay in the deep South.  Maybe they would have recolonized to Africa.  The USA would have been far better off.

  335. @Corvinus

    But then it would also depend upon what evidence you would have that they were telling the truth, and that their word should be taken. You could always ask your imaginary little friend on the best course and which side to believe (or not to believe).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  336. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “But then it would also depend upon what evidence you would have that they were telling the truth, and that their word should be taken.”

    Which is another way of saying what I said.

    “You could always ask your imaginary little friend on the best course and which side to believe (or not to believe).”

    For you, your imaginary little friend generally says Jews are bad. She’s really weird that way, but then again, that’s why you prefer to listen to her.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  337. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “That’s a lie. Immigrants by definition are not discovering anything.”

    Actually, they are discovering what it is like to live somewhere else.

    “They are traveling the path that was already laid out.”

    In some cases. In other cases, they are making their own journey there.

    “Immigrants travel to already established nations.”

    Some, sure.

    “Example: The Jews. They have never discovered (on their own as an actual tribe) a new nation, a new land, etc.”

    Read the Book of Genesis and get back to us.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  338. @Peasant

    “Of course we all know how that ended…”

    Um, it worked?

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