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Democrats Finding: Once You Go Black, You Can Never Go Back

From the NYT on the ongoing evolution of the Democrats into the Black Party:

Young Black Democrats, Eager to Lead From the Left, Eye Runs in 2018

By ALEXANDER BURNS MAY 15, 2017

MACON, Ga. — In Georgia, a Democratic lawmaker planning a run for governor promises to confront President Trump and what she calls the “fascists” surrounding him. In Maryland, a former president of the N.A.A.C.P. warns national Democrats not to take African-Americans for granted. The mayor of Tallahassee, Fla., goes even further, declaring that Democrats have failed by fixating on centrist voters.

In states from Massachusetts to Florida, a phalanx of young black leaders in the Democratic Party is striding into some of the biggest elections of 2018, staking early claims on governorships and channeling the outcry of rank-and-file Democrats who favor all-out battle with Mr. Trump and increasingly question his legitimacy as president.

By moving swiftly into the most contentious midterm races, these candidates aim to cement their party in forceful opposition to Mr. Trump and to align it unswervingly with minority communities and young people. …

And, these Democrats say, they are willing to defy the conventional strategic thinking of the national party establishment, which has tended to recruit moderate, white candidates for difficult races and largely failed to help blacks advance to high office under President Barack Obama. …

Rather than pivoting to the center, Ms. Abrams, 43, said Democrats should redouble their focus on registering and energizing blacks, Hispanics and Asian-Americans, as well as young and low-income voters, who often decline to participate in politics.

A big question that doesn’t get asked often is how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left?

 
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    > I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell

    And back? Or, one-way trip?
    , @Bill Jones
    So would I- Just to make sure he was safely ensconced inside.
    , @Olorin
    Even with his BLM superhero comic book cancelled?
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  2. O/T, but in today’s NYT there’s an article on Jewish cuisine in Berlin and the writer makes a comment about “when the Soviets liberated the city in 1945.” Is that really the right word? Paris was liberated; I think Berlin was conquered.

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    • Replies: @cucksworth
    the german people were liberated from their self determination.
    , @whorefinder
    Within 5 years the NY Times will be talking about the "tragedy" of the end of the Soviet Union.
    , @fitzGetty
    ... have The Allies been de-existed ? ...
  3. I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.
     
    Good point. Blacks are operationally Leftist because they are anti-White.
    , @Jefferson
    "blacks are not actually liberals."

    They are not Burning Man Portlandia SWPL liberals, but they are ghetto hood liberals. Liberalism has many branches, not just 1. Liberalism is not limited to just SWPLism.

    , @Desiderius

    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals.
     
    Roughly 1930 or thereabouts.

    Newsflash: the typical white progressive isn't liberal either.
  4. @Daniel Chieh
    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    > I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell

    And back? Or, one-way trip?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Might have to leave him there, don't believe in separating people from their families.
    , @syonredux
    Facilis descensus Averno;
    Noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    Sed revocare gradum superasque evadere ad auras,
    Hoc opus, hic labor est.

    —Virgil, The Aeneid
  5. “A big question that doesn’t get asked often is how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left?”

    They have no problem being led by Blacks because they voted in a bloc for Barack Hussein Obama in 2008 and 2012. And they will vote in a bloc for Cory Booker in 2020.

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    Nelson Mandela was followed by Thabo Mbeki, who was followed by Jacob Zuma.
  6. You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring…..

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    • Replies: @Internet Tough Guy

    Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring …
     
    Nah, they love it.
    , @MBlanc46
    Especially the Asians, whose kids are beaten out for selective-school places by affirmative action blacks, and who are major targets of black crime.
    , @Dave Shanken
    Kiss today; kick tomorrow. Asians plan ahead.

    Hispanic men don't kiss Black ass, and don't intend to start anytime soon.

    , @Truth
    I believe the word you are searching for in this case is "tiresome."
    , @millermp1
    they'll get tired of the aftertaste pretty quick.
  7. Reminds me of the Labour party in the UK that can rightly be called the “Muslim Party.”

    2015 election

    British Jewry went 57.9 for Tory + UKIP
    British Muslims went 73% for Labour

    the rest are a range in between (I have seen stats that Hindus & Sikhs are more Tory than what’s being shown here)..

    http://www.brin.ac.uk/2014/the-british-election-study-2015-religious-affiliation-and-attitudes/

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  8. @ic1000
    > I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell

    And back? Or, one-way trip?

    Might have to leave him there, don’t believe in separating people from their families.

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  9. My guess: Dem elites will try to square the circle Williams mentions by pushing Di Blasio to run for POTUS, a white man who’s an honorary black man.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.
    , @Barnard
    I don't think the mayor of New York, regardless of who holds the job, could get a major party nomination in the current political environment. If at some point the nominating process changes, it is possible, but as long as it starts Iowa- New Hampshire - South Carolina, it is unlikely.

    Trump being from New York is an exception because of his celebrity, that he hadn't previously held office and the working class took a flyer on him based on his rhetoric catering to their concerns. At some point I think the nominating process will change because the left will be complaining Iowa and New Hampshire don't "look like America."
    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "And he's married to a black woman."

    Who "used to be" a lesbian, no less.
  10. The Democrats are the Black Party. The Democrats are the anti-White Party. The only thing holding the Democrat Party together is a mutually shared hatred of Whites.

    The Republicans are the White Party. The Republicans only win when they get substantial portions of the White vote. The only thing holding the Republican Party together is racial solidarity.

    The upper middle class and wealthy Whites who support the Democrats do everything in their power to live separate and apart from Blacks and Latinos. Hillary Clinton moved to Chappaqua, New York because it is a town of mostly White people.

    The young Black politicians who want to take control of the Democrat Party will find it easy to do so. God bless those Blacks who can resist the big fat Jewish money that goes to compliant and housebroken Blacks. At least these Blacks show some fight and independence. The mixed race politicians who pose as Blacks such as Corey Booker and Kamala Harris have no problem doing the bidding of wealthy Jewish donors. Maybe the young Black politicians will start a brawl with the Jewish donors who are the funding source of the Democrat Party. That could be loads of fun for all.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    The problem is that the Republicans don't give a damn about white people.

    They just pretend that they do. Their interest is in the tribe and their money and fighting wars for Israel.

    The Democrats are at least honest about their hatred for the white goyim.

  11. Forget the crude blacks you see in the Congressional Black Caucus. Many/most of them can be indicted for enriching themselves same way Corrine Brown was. All this takes is an unafraid prosecutor. The new breed will copy Obama and get their education tickets punched at the right places. Hispanics and Asians will vote for them if they look non-thieving.

    Stacey Abrams and her five siblings grew up in Gulfport, Mississippi (very rootsy credentials) with three tenets: go to school, go to church, and take care of each other. Despite struggling to make ends meet for their family, her parents made service a way of life for their children – if someone was less fortunate, it was their job to serve that person.

    This ethic – and her parents’ unwavering commitment to providing educational opportunity for their children – led the family to Georgia. Stacey’s parents attended Emory University to pursue graduate studies in Theology and become United Methodist ministers. (give me that old time religion) Stacey and her younger siblings attended DeKalb County Schools, and she graduated from Avondale High School.

    Stacey received degrees from Spelman College, the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, and Yale Law School. She put her education to work to better the lives of Georgians through the government, nonprofit, and business sectors.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn't oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn't be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and "black leaders" so they wouldn't agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.
    , @George Taylor

    The new breed will copy Obama and get their education tickets punched at the right places. Hispanics and Asians will vote for them if they look non-thieving.
     
    Magic Negroes like Obama and Ms. Stacey Abrams are Outlier http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Outlier.html

    Although quite rare, there easy to find because they stick out like sore thumbs, so journalist are constantly writing stories about them. However there very very difficult to replicate, so even though the journalist conveys a message there will be more of them, it's highly unlikely. The Democratic party had a hard enough time finding Obama and he wanted to be found.

  12. While it does happen here and there, black primary voters (older and better educated) have a pretty good record of not giving in to temptation of nominating a black liberal over an electable white Democrat. Indeed, they stuck with Hillary in polls until only after Obama started winning white state primaries in 2008.

    Marginal black general election voters are another group entirely.

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  13. I taught at a public high school that was/is predominantly Asian.
    I’ll give my answer to the question “how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left”
    Older Asians (particularly those born overseas) – not much; younger Asians – lots. Remember -these young people attended American public schools, in neighborhoods carefully chosen by their parents because of the neighborhood’s good schools. Their actual experience with Blacks has been fairly limited and sanitized. They go off to college, generally good colleges, and they encounter Blacks students from a fairly narrow, select segment of the Black population. From kindergarten to college they have been indoctrinated by their instructors to hate whites and idolize Blacks and Hispanics. Young Asians would vote for Black politicians because they perceive it to be the cool and socially just thing to do and they will do it because they have no real experience dealing with Blacks, and they do not live in communities that have been run by Blacks.

    Hispanics – I dunno. My guess is they would not want to be led by “the Black Left” as much because they are in competition with blacks for the coveted position of “most favored victim”. However, their youngsters are also targets of public education so they will likely vote for a black candidate over a white one.

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  14. @Dave Pinsen
    My guess: Dem elites will try to square the circle Williams mentions by pushing Di Blasio to run for POTUS, a white man who's an honorary black man.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/863996420948463617

    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm, Jr. His father was German-American. He changed his name for political purposes since having a Germanic surname would be a political liability with any large Jewish constituency.

    He is married to a recovered/current lesbian (take your pick). Somehow or other this counts for a plus in Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, New York City).

    In other words, an all-around winner in post Apocalypse America!
    , @Art Deco
    No, his maternal-side relations are Italian. I think his father's were ethnic German, which interests no one outside of Milwaukee. What's strange is he made a point in his adult years of legally changing his surname to his mother's maiden name.

    Gillibrand won the district only twice. Another Democrat won a special election in 2009 but was voted out of office the following year. Gillibrand had the wind at her back in 2006 and 2008: Democrats were winning all over Upstate as the Bush Administration lost stature; also, the Republican opponent she unseated in 2006 was a skeezy character in a generic sort of way and a known alcoholic to boot. In the intervening years, Upstate has returned to it's Republican default state and left the Democrats with the Albany and Buffalo seats they've held for sixty years or so, along with an ancient Democratic incumbent in Rochester the Republicans seem to never have been able to dislodge for whatever reason.

    , @syonredux

    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?
     
    Half-German, half-Italian:

    De Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm Jr., in the borough of Manhattan. He is the third son of Maria (née de Blasio) and Warren Wilhelm.[1][11] His father was of German ancestry, and his maternal grandparents were Italian immigrants:[12][13] his grandfather, Giovanni, was from the city of Sant'Agata de' Goti, Benevento, and his grandmother, Anna (née Briganti), was from Grassano, Matera.[14]
    De Blasio was raised in Cambridge, Massachusetts.[15] His mother graduated from Smith College in 1938. She served in the Office of War Information during World War II and was the author of the book, The Other Italy: The Italian Resistance in World War II.[16] His father graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Yale University. His mother was 44 years old when he was born, and he has two older brothers, Steven and Donald.[11] His paternal grandfather, author Donald Wilhelm, graduated from Harvard University.
     

    He eventually adopted his mother's family name of de Blasio because his father was "largely absent," and he wanted to embrace his Italian heritage.[21] In 1983, he changed his legal name to Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm, which he described in April 2012: "I started by putting the name into my diploma, and then I hyphenated it legally when I finished NYU, and then, more and more, I realized that was the right identity." By the time he appeared on the public stage in 1990, he was using the name Bill de Blasio, as he is called "Bill" or "Billy" in his personal life.[19] He petitioned to officially change his name to Bill de Blasio in December 2001, after the discrepancy was noted during an election
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_Blasio


    Wonder why the shift from "Warren" to "Bill?" Does "Warren" sound too posh?
    , @K. Lastima
    Until Gillibrand has to open her mouth for other than scripted comments when it becomes apparent that she's dumber than a box of rocks
    , @EriK
    Since she was appointed Senator, Gillibrand has been far left unlike when she was a Congressman. She ran as a conservative Dem back then (slept with a shotgun under her bed was the story she told). She won her congressional seat the first time when a leak of sealed information that her opponent had a domestic incident with his ex-wife appeared in the press. Irony being that after the election it was disclosed that it was the ex-wife that was beating up on the Congressman not the other way around. A good bit of luck for Gillibrand. She was only elected to that seat one more time.

    Now the good Senator has been making a name for herself by opposing everything and everyone Trump proposes.
    , @Bill Jones
    I thought it was just a simple Ellis Island typo- someone confusing Wasp with Wops.


    Easily done..
    , @Alden
    German descent communist father, Italian descent communist mother. Dad was a drunken wife and child beater. So de blasio changed his name to his mother's as soon as he was legally an adult.

    Parents met at a commie activist group and worked at communist front groups all their lives
  15. @Daniel Chieh
    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    So would I- Just to make sure he was safely ensconced inside.

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  16. The Democrats’ black constituency is a two edged sword.

    On the one hand, they are beyond loyal to the Democrat Party. They vote Democrat in percentages otherwise only found in dictatorships. Assuming (and we’ll get to that) that whites are equally divided, the black vote will tip the election to the Democrat candidate every time – that’s the good part.

    The bad part is that the non-black vote is NOT equally divided and for every black vote that the Democrats pick up with we love BLM type shenanigans, they may lose a white vote. LBJ thought that this trade was a good deal when he backed the ’64 Civil Rights Act, which both cemented the loyalty of blacks to the Democrats AND permanently alienated Southern Whites but I’m not sure it really was a good deal for the party in the long run.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It didn't 'permanently alienate' Southern whites. The Democratic Party's advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn't until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn't until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia - NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.
  17. How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?
     
    More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black. Black is in except in China, even though you and I know the IQ truth. How soon before the homeless black Africans camping out in downtown Paris get lionized too? They are just a few soccer and basketball player-heroes away.
    , @Trelane
    https://youtu.be/sYDtYOPKwS8
    , @27 year old
    >How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    Should be a democratic primary debate question.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Luke, you would think the answer to your questions is, not much, but they vote as a bloc and have a considerable presence in many major American cities. I don't think they are major cash contributors to the dem party, but the dems need to placate them, because when they go off the plantation, as in Ferguson and Baltimore, they hurt the dem's cause.
    , @Dee
    It's the massive voter fraud; they didn't do it in 2016 because they believe their own hype and thought it was in the bag. Urban vote totals came in at the same time suburban and rural; that never happens when the fraud is going down.

    They need to wait and get the number of votes they need to manufacture; that only happens after everybody else has reported. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were especially obvious...Michigan was kind of normal, Detroit precinct had 50 paper ballots and reported 305 votes for the crone...that's why they stopped the recount, it was going to show the extent of fraud in Detroit.
    , @Bill Jones
    They can double the violent crime rate, double the amount of welfare payments etc etc.
  18. Here’s a question: by what combination of cultural and social-psychological factors does the Black Left have a constituency at all? What exactly have Coleman Young, John Conyers, Ron Dellums, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alcee Hastings, &c accomplished in their years in public life? What has a more temperate figure like John Lewis accomplished?

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) should have a constituency among blacks. Hoodlums galore and Central American immigrants represent (respectively) a problem and a challenge for blacks. Giuliani never collected more than 20% of New York’s black electorate and the pollster’s best guess is that Trump garnered 8% of the black vote. Material interests are not motivating for black voters, by and large, at least in the voting booth. What is motivating, and why?

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    • Replies: @Sammler
    From the conservative side, it does seem like black voters are telling the Democrats, "We will fully support your policies, however destructive to black welfare they might be, as long as you implement them via black politicians."

    This cynical view does have weaknesses.

    -- The black middle class relies on governments for employment, not exclusively but more than other races. It makes sense for them to play for Team Government.

    -- You know how non-wealthy whites in decaying areas feel when they hear lectures about "white privilege". Think how non-wealthy blacks feel about being told, "The source of all your problems is that your partially inbred extended family isn't very smart or well behaved, and government shouldn't do anything particular to help you." Respect matters.
    , @Jack D

    Material interests are not motivating for black voters
     
    Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain't wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks - welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed.
  19. @Dave Pinsen
    My guess: Dem elites will try to square the circle Williams mentions by pushing Di Blasio to run for POTUS, a white man who's an honorary black man.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/863996420948463617

    I don’t think the mayor of New York, regardless of who holds the job, could get a major party nomination in the current political environment. If at some point the nominating process changes, it is possible, but as long as it starts Iowa- New Hampshire – South Carolina, it is unlikely.

    Trump being from New York is an exception because of his celebrity, that he hadn’t previously held office and the working class took a flyer on him based on his rhetoric catering to their concerns. At some point I think the nominating process will change because the left will be complaining Iowa and New Hampshire don’t “look like America.”

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    You're right there.

    But if California moves its primary towards the beginning of the process, as CA Dem legislators are discussing, an explicitly radical black socialist-to-communist candidate could do quite well in the Dem primary.

    Those Cali Democrats would jump at the chance to recapture that warm fuzzy Obama feeling of showing how enlightened they are -- and how NOT like those evil intolerant flyover States they are -- by voting for an African-American.

  20. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black. Black is in except in China, even though you and I know the IQ truth. How soon before the homeless black Africans camping out in downtown Paris get lionized too? They are just a few soccer and basketball player-heroes away.

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    • Replies: @neutral

    Black is in except in China
     
    The other notable exception is Africa and other completely black states like Jamaica and Haiti.
    , @Jefferson
    "More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black."

    People in other countries who watch Grey's Anatomy will come to the conclusion that Seattle is a majority Black city thanks to Hollywood Blackwashing.
  21. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    A big question that doesn’t get asked often is how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left?

    ‘Black left’ really meaning Afro-centrists unlike Obama who was really a Judeo-Homo-Bobo-Centrist despite his bogus ‘street credentials’ as ‘community organizer’?

    Yes, that would be problematic. But it might work out IF Afro-centrists understand the game and play it more like Obama than like Sharpton. After all, the Democratic Party is really ruled by Jews, homos, and bobo whites. Blacks are symbolism of the Party due to MLK cult and Civil Rights Narrative. Democratic Party gave up on lots of blacks beginning with Clinton(who fooled a lot of blacks by taking lots of photos with Negroes), but the legacy of MLK made it own the race issue. Likewise, the New Deal Narrative allowed Democrats to hold onto Labor issue even long after they gave up on the working class. I think Labor Narrative was finally lost to the Democrats with Hillary sidelining Sanders and then calling the working class a bunch of ‘deplorables’.
    In a way, Dems have been welcoming immigrants to make the party from a black one to an immigrant one. Dems want a party ruled by Jews/Homos and white rich, dominated demographically by immigrants, and in possession of Civil Rights Narrative. Dems want to lock up more blacks or send them out of cities BUT mask this fact with MLK cult. Also, the reason why Jewish/white elites supported BLM was out of fear. They feared it was really directed at them, so they try to own it by egging on blacks to blame it all on ‘racist cops’ when those cops are working to keep cities safe for Jews, homos, and yuppsters.

    Now, if blacks get too vocal and if indeed Afro-centrist take control of the Democratic Party, it will be a big fall. The question is which kinds of Negroes will win? The Bobo-centric Buppies like Obama(who use black symbolism but really favor Jews and Homos and yuppsters) or Mofo-centric Nasties. Keith Ellison surely alarmed a lot of Jews, which is why Democrats went with Perez the white Hispanic.

    How can Democratic Party carry on with the policy of “You Negroes go back to the back of the bus and sit behind Jews, homos, yuppies, and immigrants, but don’t worry because the portrait of MLK is placed right in front.” Elevate the Negro symbols, lock up the Negro muscles.

    Anyway, the Democratic Party vs GOP isn’t really about Diversity vs Whiteness.
    It’s about White(and Jewish) Privilege vs the White Middle.

    In a homogeneous society, the elites have to represent and serve the masses.
    In a diverse nation, the elites can just serve themselves while playing divide and rule among the masses.
    Diversity is bad for whites but great for white elites. They no longer need to serve the white masses and only pretend to care about the Diverse masses. So, tell me… what have Jewish/whites elites really done for Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans?

    If the US had been diverse during the Great Depression, the rich white elites need not have worried about Revolution. Diverse US would have been too divided to come together to overthrow the capitalist class. But because it was mostly a white nation, the white elites had to make concessions to suffering white working masses.

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  22. @Jack D
    The Democrats' black constituency is a two edged sword.

    On the one hand, they are beyond loyal to the Democrat Party. They vote Democrat in percentages otherwise only found in dictatorships. Assuming (and we'll get to that) that whites are equally divided, the black vote will tip the election to the Democrat candidate every time - that's the good part.

    The bad part is that the non-black vote is NOT equally divided and for every black vote that the Democrats pick up with we love BLM type shenanigans, they may lose a white vote. LBJ thought that this trade was a good deal when he backed the '64 Civil Rights Act, which both cemented the loyalty of blacks to the Democrats AND permanently alienated Southern Whites but I'm not sure it really was a good deal for the party in the long run.

    It didn’t ‘permanently alienate’ Southern whites. The Democratic Party’s advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn’t until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn’t until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia – NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.

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    • Replies: @Gringo
    It didn’t ‘permanently alienate’ Southern whites. The Democratic Party’s advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928).

    Precisely so. In the 1940s, the Republican share of the Presidential vote in the South- defined as the 11 states that once comprised the Confederacy- ranged approximately from 20% to 26%. In 1952, Eisenhower won 48% of the vote in the South. Moreover, Eisenhower won a larger share of the vote in the South in 1956 than Goldwater won in 1964.

    The South's high turnout for Herbert Hoover in 1928 was a consequence of the South's reaction to Al Smith's Roman Catholic religion. His religion sparked fears that he would be a tool of the Vatican. Those fears were were brought over from England, courtesy of Guy Fawkes's failed Gunpowder Plot, three centuries before. My grandmother voted for Hoover in 1928 for that very reason. She later prayed to God to forgive her for having voted for Hoover.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1956
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948
    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Pretty sure neither Zell Miller or Sam Nunn could get through a Democratic primary these days.
    , @Guy Incognito
    Exactly - Sean Trende wrote a good overview on how the GOP was making steady progress in the South in the late 40s and 50s, even as it pushed civil rights at the Federal level.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/30/southern_whites_shift_to_the_gop_predates_the_60s_118172.html

    This was due to the ongoing transformation of the South into a more "normal" part of the country following the investments of the New Deal, wartime manufacturing, and the postwar increase in industry and cities and suburbs. This created constituencies who voted Republican in the postwar era (middle managers, small businessmen, local professionals, etc). The rise of the sunbelt economic boom in the 70s and 80s sped this process up.
    , @whorefinder
    Stop using nuance! All white southerners are Nazis who wanted to murder all blacks and the 1964 Civil Rights act made them all show their true colors! Redlining! Slavery! Jim Crow! Black Lives Matter!

    Sorry, I was channeling Tiny Duck and Tennessee Coates there.
  23. Is Steve saying that the Democrats wolnt show up for Gavin Newsome or whoever the Democrats run in 2016, or that such a candidate is impossible due to what the Democrats have become?

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Is Gavin Newsome a homosexual? If so, I wouldn't see many straight black male voters turning out to vote for him in the Dem primary or the general election. Perhaps the same for many straight black female voters, to a lesser degree.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious.
  24. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    Lot:

    de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm, Jr. His father was German-American. He changed his name for political purposes since having a Germanic surname would be a political liability with any large Jewish constituency.

    He is married to a recovered/current lesbian (take your pick). Somehow or other this counts for a plus in Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, New York City).

    In other words, an all-around winner in post Apocalypse America!

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    As a German-American, I'm glad he changed his name. As an Italian-American, though, I wish he had picked something other than De Blasio ;)

    He's a self-hating, white-hating fool -- and tool -- by any name....
  25. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    No, his maternal-side relations are Italian. I think his father’s were ethnic German, which interests no one outside of Milwaukee. What’s strange is he made a point in his adult years of legally changing his surname to his mother’s maiden name.

    Gillibrand won the district only twice. Another Democrat won a special election in 2009 but was voted out of office the following year. Gillibrand had the wind at her back in 2006 and 2008: Democrats were winning all over Upstate as the Bush Administration lost stature; also, the Republican opponent she unseated in 2006 was a skeezy character in a generic sort of way and a known alcoholic to boot. In the intervening years, Upstate has returned to it’s Republican default state and left the Democrats with the Albany and Buffalo seats they’ve held for sixty years or so, along with an ancient Democratic incumbent in Rochester the Republicans seem to never have been able to dislodge for whatever reason.

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  26. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    Half-German, half-Italian:

    De Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm Jr., in the borough of Manhattan. He is the third son of Maria (née de Blasio) and Warren Wilhelm.[1][11] His father was of German ancestry, and his maternal grandparents were Italian immigrants:[12][13] his grandfather, Giovanni, was from the city of Sant’Agata de’ Goti, Benevento, and his grandmother, Anna (née Briganti), was from Grassano, Matera.[14]
    De Blasio was raised in Cambridge, Massachusetts.[15] His mother graduated from Smith College in 1938. She served in the Office of War Information during World War II and was the author of the book, The Other Italy: The Italian Resistance in World War II.[16] His father graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Yale University. His mother was 44 years old when he was born, and he has two older brothers, Steven and Donald.[11] His paternal grandfather, author Donald Wilhelm, graduated from Harvard University.

    He eventually adopted his mother’s family name of de Blasio because his father was “largely absent,” and he wanted to embrace his Italian heritage.[21] In 1983, he changed his legal name to Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm, which he described in April 2012: “I started by putting the name into my diploma, and then I hyphenated it legally when I finished NYU, and then, more and more, I realized that was the right identity.” By the time he appeared on the public stage in 1990, he was using the name Bill de Blasio, as he is called “Bill” or “Billy” in his personal life.[19] He petitioned to officially change his name to Bill de Blasio in December 2001, after the discrepancy was noted during an election

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_Blasio

    Wonder why the shift from “Warren” to “Bill?” Does “Warren” sound too posh?

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  27. @Art Deco
    It didn't 'permanently alienate' Southern whites. The Democratic Party's advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn't until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn't until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia - NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.

    It didn’t ‘permanently alienate’ Southern whites. The Democratic Party’s advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928).

    Precisely so. In the 1940s, the Republican share of the Presidential vote in the South- defined as the 11 states that once comprised the Confederacy- ranged approximately from 20% to 26%. In 1952, Eisenhower won 48% of the vote in the South. Moreover, Eisenhower won a larger share of the vote in the South in 1956 than Goldwater won in 1964.

    The South’s high turnout for Herbert Hoover in 1928 was a consequence of the South’s reaction to Al Smith’s Roman Catholic religion. His religion sparked fears that he would be a tool of the Vatican. Those fears were were brought over from England, courtesy of Guy Fawkes’s failed Gunpowder Plot, three centuries before. My grandmother voted for Hoover in 1928 for that very reason. She later prayed to God to forgive her for having voted for Hoover.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1956

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

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  28. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

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    That woman seems to be a perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect
  29. @Dave Pinsen
    My guess: Dem elites will try to square the circle Williams mentions by pushing Di Blasio to run for POTUS, a white man who's an honorary black man.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/863996420948463617

    “And he’s married to a black woman.”

    Who “used to be” a lesbian, no less.

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    Sarge, I don't think she "used to be a lesbian." I think she still is but wanted to have children in the traditional manner. Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio's sexual orientation.
    , @anon
    It's usually the other way around-- they aren't real lesbians, which pisses off the true dykes to no end.
  30. Young Black Democrats, Eager to Lead From the Left

    By ignoring immigration as the chief a cause of wage reduction, social fracturing, atomisation, lowered availability and increase cost of housing, ethnic conflict and general reduced quality of life for the working class?

    If you can’t confront neo-liberalism on mass migration you can’t confront neo-liberalism, nothing else cements it in place quite like it. Even worse is going along with all their nonsense decoy issues, police shootings, trans-gendered bathrooms etc.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    If you can’t confront neo-liberalism on mass migration you can’t confront neo-liberalism, nothing else cements it in place quite like it.
     
    Well said, Altai.

    Mass immigration trashes every professed "progressive" goal other than sticking it to whitey.

    But even more simply, you can not have pro-worker politics that is for opening up the labor market to the world. That policy inherently drives down wage levels in any nation not at/near the bottom.

    "Progressive" politics that are for immigration are about something other--have some other agenda--than the good working men and women.
  31. @Art Deco
    It didn't 'permanently alienate' Southern whites. The Democratic Party's advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn't until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn't until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia - NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.

    Pretty sure neither Zell Miller or Sam Nunn could get through a Democratic primary these days.

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  32. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    We need Project Said.

    A bunch of rightists pretend to be progs and groom a Palestinian-American to be a leading candidate. Find someone who is smart, articulate, and attractive. And then, have him pander to every non-white group. Make him a big name in the party. And they promote him to be one of the leading lights of the Democratic Party.

    As he gains the support to become the leader of the Democrats, it’d be curious to see how Jews react.

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    • Replies: @Jack D

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.
     
    Good luck with that.
  33. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    >How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    Should be a democratic primary debate question.

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  34. @syonredux
    You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring.....

    Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring …

    Nah, they love it.

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    Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring …

    Nah, they love it.
     
    Yeah, some of them clearly can't get enough anthracitic posterior. Cf, for example, Seoul brother # 1 Jay Caspian Kang:

    By instinct, honed reflex and general contrarianism, I root for all “flashy” “showboats” who are “disgraces to the game.” …

    As I grew older and started feeling alienated from my white classmates, I gravitated toward athletes who, in some way, flouted the white, stoic traditions of American sports — Allen Iverson, Ken Griffey Jr., Rasheed Wallace, Pedro Martinez. I felt as if this was a moral choice.
     
  35. @Trelane
    https://youtu.be/sYDtYOPKwS8

    That woman seems to be a perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect

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  36. I don’t get why black politicians are so hostile to Trump. Wouldn’t blacks benefit from a crackdown on illegal immigration and crime? Also, Trump is more of a black guy than Obama will ever be…

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  37. @Internet Tough Guy

    Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring …
     
    Nah, they love it.

    Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring …

    Nah, they love it.

    Yeah, some of them clearly can’t get enough anthracitic posterior. Cf, for example, Seoul brother # 1 Jay Caspian Kang:

    By instinct, honed reflex and general contrarianism, I root for all “flashy” “showboats” who are “disgraces to the game.” …

    As I grew older and started feeling alienated from my white classmates, I gravitated toward athletes who, in some way, flouted the white, stoic traditions of American sports — Allen Iverson, Ken Griffey Jr., Rasheed Wallace, Pedro Martinez. I felt as if this was a moral choice.

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  38. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    Luke, you would think the answer to your questions is, not much, but they vote as a bloc and have a considerable presence in many major American cities. I don’t think they are major cash contributors to the dem party, but the dems need to placate them, because when they go off the plantation, as in Ferguson and Baltimore, they hurt the dem’s cause.

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    I don’t think they are major cash contributors to the dem party
     
    They actually are, via (public employee) unions.
  39. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "And he's married to a black woman."

    Who "used to be" a lesbian, no less.

    Sarge, I don’t think she “used to be a lesbian.” I think she still is but wanted to have children in the traditional manner. Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation.

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    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Which is why I put quotation marks around "used to be."
    , @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.
    , @whorefinder
    De Blasio clearly overdosed on white guilt back in the day and has tried various overcompensation: worshiping communist murderers and marrying an ugly black woman while working for the NYC's first (and, as expected, incompetent) black mayor.

    De Blasio is a case study in what happened to white men in post-1960America who grew up without a father. The culture created a massive self-hatred in him.
  40. @Art Deco
    Here's a question: by what combination of cultural and social-psychological factors does the Black Left have a constituency at all? What exactly have Coleman Young, John Conyers, Ron Dellums, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alcee Hastings, &c accomplished in their years in public life? What has a more temperate figure like John Lewis accomplished?

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York's black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) should have a constituency among blacks. Hoodlums galore and Central American immigrants represent (respectively) a problem and a challenge for blacks. Giuliani never collected more than 20% of New York's black electorate and the pollster's best guess is that Trump garnered 8% of the black vote. Material interests are not motivating for black voters, by and large, at least in the voting booth. What is motivating, and why?

    From the conservative side, it does seem like black voters are telling the Democrats, “We will fully support your policies, however destructive to black welfare they might be, as long as you implement them via black politicians.”

    This cynical view does have weaknesses.

    – The black middle class relies on governments for employment, not exclusively but more than other races. It makes sense for them to play for Team Government.

    – You know how non-wealthy whites in decaying areas feel when they hear lectures about “white privilege”. Think how non-wealthy blacks feel about being told, “The source of all your problems is that your partially inbred extended family isn’t very smart or well behaved, and government shouldn’t do anything particular to help you.” Respect matters.

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  41. @Barnard
    I don't think the mayor of New York, regardless of who holds the job, could get a major party nomination in the current political environment. If at some point the nominating process changes, it is possible, but as long as it starts Iowa- New Hampshire - South Carolina, it is unlikely.

    Trump being from New York is an exception because of his celebrity, that he hadn't previously held office and the working class took a flyer on him based on his rhetoric catering to their concerns. At some point I think the nominating process will change because the left will be complaining Iowa and New Hampshire don't "look like America."

    You’re right there.

    But if California moves its primary towards the beginning of the process, as CA Dem legislators are discussing, an explicitly radical black socialist-to-communist candidate could do quite well in the Dem primary.

    Those Cali Democrats would jump at the chance to recapture that warm fuzzy Obama feeling of showing how enlightened they are — and how NOT like those evil intolerant flyover States they are — by voting for an African-American.

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  42. @Rotten
    Is Steve saying that the Democrats wolnt show up for Gavin Newsome or whoever the Democrats run in 2016, or that such a candidate is impossible due to what the Democrats have become?

    Is Gavin Newsome a homosexual? If so, I wouldn’t see many straight black male voters turning out to vote for him in the Dem primary or the general election. Perhaps the same for many straight black female voters, to a lesser degree.

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  43. @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm, Jr. His father was German-American. He changed his name for political purposes since having a Germanic surname would be a political liability with any large Jewish constituency.

    He is married to a recovered/current lesbian (take your pick). Somehow or other this counts for a plus in Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, New York City).

    In other words, an all-around winner in post Apocalypse America!

    As a German-American, I’m glad he changed his name. As an Italian-American, though, I wish he had picked something other than De Blasio ;)

    He’s a self-hating, white-hating fool — and tool — by any name….

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  44. One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he’s a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he’s not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn’t get what he wants.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Camiost, Catharsis failed because Obama had no American slave heritage.
    , @O1A3c
    During the 2008 election, Obama's half-Indonesian half-sister, was involved in outreach to Asian-American community. So was the Canadian-American brother-in-law, who is Malaysian-Chinese in extraction. I think I heard a robo-call from him that the brother-in-law speak decent "Sunday school Chinese." Those factors went far at least in 2008. The involvement seems to dropped off in 2012.
    , @Jefferson
    "One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he’s a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he’s not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn’t get what he wants."

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him.
  45. @ic1000
    > I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell

    And back? Or, one-way trip?

    Facilis descensus Averno;
    Noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    Sed revocare gradum superasque evadere ad auras,
    Hoc opus, hic labor est.

    —Virgil, The Aeneid

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    V. good. Thankyou.
    , @Vinteuil
    John Charity Spring lives again!

    "The gates of hell are open night and day.
    Smooth the descent and easy is the way.
    But to return and view the cheerful skies--
    In this the task and mighty labor lies."
    , @Vinteuil
    btw - it never struck me before how closely this passage resembles Matthew 7:13-14:

    "...wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
  46. @Yak-15
    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.

    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.

    Good point. Blacks are operationally Leftist because they are anti-White.

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  47. How many times does a SWPL have to vote for a random black person to expiate their sins (or perhaps my sins)?

    Should I get a bet down now on President Winfrey?

    Or do these idiots eventually figure it out?

    OK. President Winfrey it is.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    You jest, but she's a very likely candidate.

    Her weakness is that her non-cable show went off the air more than few years ago, so younger folks (those under 30) won't know her, remember her, or care about her, and older folks won't feel her massive cultural pull as much. Trump's show, remember, was on the air to the moment he ran for president. He knew the value of a good Q rating when running for office.

    And she'll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O'Donnell got nasty after being known as "The Queen of Nice" and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter.

    The other obvious person running is Tom Hanks. Hanks recently sent the White House Press Corp a new coffee/expresso machine, and said something politically decent regarding Trump. He's clearly angling to get into politics, and he saw how Trump vaulted to the head of the line based on celebrity.

    Again, the issue with Hanks is nastiness. His image is modern-day left-wing version of Jimmy Stewart; we haven't seem him play dirty. Trump had the advantage of always coming off as a hardass, especially after his show positioned him as the "You're fired!" ruthless businessman; his being nasty was normal.

    If Hanks is serious about running, I would suggest to him deliberately making a few films in the next few years that showcase his character being nasty and mean. An H.L. Mencken bio pic? A Don Rickles-esque comic? A biopic as FDR as a young, angry, cutthroat? Audiences need to get used to Hanks in mean mode before he steps out against Trump.
  48. @Camlost
    One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he's a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he's not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn't get what he wants.

    Camiost, Catharsis failed because Obama had no American slave heritage.

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  49. @Buffalo Joe
    Sarge, I don't think she "used to be a lesbian." I think she still is but wanted to have children in the traditional manner. Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio's sexual orientation.

    Which is why I put quotation marks around “used to be.”

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  50. @Anon
    We need Project Said.

    A bunch of rightists pretend to be progs and groom a Palestinian-American to be a leading candidate. Find someone who is smart, articulate, and attractive. And then, have him pander to every non-white group. Make him a big name in the party. And they promote him to be one of the leading lights of the Democratic Party.

    As he gains the support to become the leader of the Democrats, it'd be curious to see how Jews react.

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.

    Good luck with that.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    There's always the hope of 'trans-racialism'.

    We can get a white person to be a trans-Palestinian.
    , @Gringo

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.

    Good luck with that.
     
    Not difficult at all. In the 1960s and 1970s my father had dealings with a Palestinian Christian family that had a lot of members with postgraduate STEM degrees. There was a reason why they were in the US.

    The patriarch, who before the Six Day War worked in Jordan's civil service for the West Bank, told his children to get out of the West Bank. From his experience as a civil servant, he informed his children, he concluded that Muslims would always favor promoting a Muslim over a Christian.

    A grandson of the patriarch got his BS in the Middle East and his graduate STEM degrees in the US. While he was able to work in his profession in the US, the amount of time he devoted to political activism caused him to lose his jobs. One irony about his anti-Israel activism is that a cousin of his on the other side of his family has given ample testimony about Muslim harassment/violence/robbery against Christians in the West Bank. Which mirrors what the patriarch said over 50 years ago- but which his grandson conveniently forgot while protesting Israel.
  51. @syonredux
    Facilis descensus Averno;
    Noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    Sed revocare gradum superasque evadere ad auras,
    Hoc opus, hic labor est.

    —Virgil, The Aeneid

    V. good. Thankyou.

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  52. @Art Deco
    Here's a question: by what combination of cultural and social-psychological factors does the Black Left have a constituency at all? What exactly have Coleman Young, John Conyers, Ron Dellums, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Alcee Hastings, &c accomplished in their years in public life? What has a more temperate figure like John Lewis accomplished?

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York's black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) should have a constituency among blacks. Hoodlums galore and Central American immigrants represent (respectively) a problem and a challenge for blacks. Giuliani never collected more than 20% of New York's black electorate and the pollster's best guess is that Trump garnered 8% of the black vote. Material interests are not motivating for black voters, by and large, at least in the voting booth. What is motivating, and why?

    Material interests are not motivating for black voters

    Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain’t wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks – welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    At any one time, about 15% of the black population is quite troubled and troublesome; these are the people collecting TANF and collecting disability and unemployment benefits at abnomral levels. You keep mistaking that set for the whole. The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Impecunious wage earners are eligible for SNAP and Section 8, but people who are notionally eligible commonly do not apply for these programs and housing subsidies are extended (via lottery) only to a modest minority of the notionally eligible. The total expenditure per notionally eligible household on SNAP, housing subsidies, and utility subsidies amounts to about $4,000 per year. Of course, those who apply get the benefits (which are more lucrative than that figure), but on the whole, that class in society (about 30% of the population, some of them elderly) are not livin' large on these sorts of public subsidies.

    As for Medicaid, it's made use of by every class in society. Among the affluent, it's tapped when you have eldercare disasters. Among the impecunious, it's tapped when you're in small-scale wage employment which lacks insurance benefits. About 19% of all those receiving Medicaid benefits for medical care (as opposed to l/t care) are black, v. 13% of the population as a whole. The excess amounts to about 750,000 individuals in a black populaiton of 40,000,000

    Then you have to ask yourself how the benefit stream is likely to differ under a Republican administration. The answer is, 'only marginally'.

    , @Jefferson
    "Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain’t wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks – welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed."

    Why do Black households who make too much money to qualify for section 8 housing, welfare , and food stamps still vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party?

  53. @Flip
    O/T, but in today's NYT there's an article on Jewish cuisine in Berlin and the writer makes a comment about "when the Soviets liberated the city in 1945." Is that really the right word? Paris was liberated; I think Berlin was conquered.

    the german people were liberated from their self determination.

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  54. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    Until Gillibrand has to open her mouth for other than scripted comments when it becomes apparent that she’s dumber than a box of rocks

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  55. @Altai

    Young Black Democrats, Eager to Lead From the Left
     
    By ignoring immigration as the chief a cause of wage reduction, social fracturing, atomisation, lowered availability and increase cost of housing, ethnic conflict and general reduced quality of life for the working class?

    If you can't confront neo-liberalism on mass migration you can't confront neo-liberalism, nothing else cements it in place quite like it. Even worse is going along with all their nonsense decoy issues, police shootings, trans-gendered bathrooms etc.

    If you can’t confront neo-liberalism on mass migration you can’t confront neo-liberalism, nothing else cements it in place quite like it.

    Well said, Altai.

    Mass immigration trashes every professed “progressive” goal other than sticking it to whitey.

    But even more simply, you can not have pro-worker politics that is for opening up the labor market to the world. That policy inherently drives down wage levels in any nation not at/near the bottom.

    “Progressive” politics that are for immigration are about something other–have some other agenda–than the good working men and women.

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    • Replies: @Greasy William

    Mass immigration trashes every professed “progressive” goal other than sticking it to whitey.
     
    People on the right always say this and it makes me think they aren't familiar with contemporary Progressive thought.

    Progressivism = Globalism. Everything else is secondary and this is something that they are very vocal about.
  56. My guess is that while the Democrats will have to be juggling ethnic entitlement continually from here on out–they created “diversity” not just out of ethnic animus but to have a balkanized nation in which the state is supreme and unchallenged; so really not a bug, but a feature–they won’t have to keep the national ticket black every year.

    However, i do think that members of their largest constituency–WWW (Whiny white women)–make particularly bad national candidates. The problem is WWWs think they are somehow “oppressed”, but minorities look at them and accurately think WWWs are in fact the most privileged demographic in the nation. Furthermore men–neither minority or white–actually want to listen to their whining, lecturing, hectoring.

    While Trump winning was–potentially, if Trump stops cucking–great for the nation, to me there’s no doubt that Hillary would have been a disaster for the Democratic party. She is just so unpleasant. Some of that is just Hillary’s personal unpleasantness. But most is inherent in her i’m-going-to-tell-you-what’s-wrong-with-you church lady demeanor that is characteristic of the type. The Democrats dodged a bullet which could have blown a hole in their party’s image for a generation (worse than Carter).

    I assume lots of smart Democrats understand all this. But the problem is when a party is so ideologically straight-jacketed it’s hard to speak freely, openly about such issues.

    precisely to drive up voting for the parasite

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    From a letter in today's NYT.

    "Fact is, many of us who are most enraged by Donald Trump’s presidency would prefer it if Hillary Clinton, along with Bill, would go away. The Clintons have been running the Democratic Party like a fief for 25 years. Hillary should not even have run for president in 2016. She was ethically compromised from the get-go. She’s not good at retail politics, she’s a chronic, shameless dissembler and her campaign was grossly incompetent."
  57. Perhaps the more relevant questions are
    >how much do they hate us (whites)?
    and
    >how confident are they that they can effectively buy off or ignore black leadership?

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  58. @Jack D

    Material interests are not motivating for black voters
     
    Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain't wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks - welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed.

    At any one time, about 15% of the black population is quite troubled and troublesome; these are the people collecting TANF and collecting disability and unemployment benefits at abnomral levels. You keep mistaking that set for the whole. The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Impecunious wage earners are eligible for SNAP and Section 8, but people who are notionally eligible commonly do not apply for these programs and housing subsidies are extended (via lottery) only to a modest minority of the notionally eligible. The total expenditure per notionally eligible household on SNAP, housing subsidies, and utility subsidies amounts to about $4,000 per year. Of course, those who apply get the benefits (which are more lucrative than that figure), but on the whole, that class in society (about 30% of the population, some of them elderly) are not livin’ large on these sorts of public subsidies.

    As for Medicaid, it’s made use of by every class in society. Among the affluent, it’s tapped when you have eldercare disasters. Among the impecunious, it’s tapped when you’re in small-scale wage employment which lacks insurance benefits. About 19% of all those receiving Medicaid benefits for medical care (as opposed to l/t care) are black, v. 13% of the population as a whole. The excess amounts to about 750,000 individuals in a black populaiton of 40,000,000

    Then you have to ask yourself how the benefit stream is likely to differ under a Republican administration. The answer is, ‘only marginally’.

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.
     
    Propensity? Without AA set-asides, just how many black civil servants would there be? Note that among NYC's firefighters, blacks were a minuscule number of that workforce, because they tended to score fairly low. What Judge Garaufis did seems to have been to insist that NYC adopt the same hiring rules as the Federal government for civil service jobs - hire some percentage of top-scoring blacks to fill a percentage quota regardless of their qualifications rather than just hire the top scoring candidates for office. Without these quotas, the civil service would be mostly non-black.
    , @Alden
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.
    , @Art Deco
    Sorry for the error. Excess participation in Medicaid among blacks accounts for 4,000,000 beneficiaries, not 750,000.
  59. Black people are constantly being urged to lead, even from the shadows. In the movie version of The Circle, one of the three founders of this world-shaking company is (of course) black. At the end of the film, only he can save the day (and the lovely Emma Watson) by completely outmaneuvering the evil and manipulative (and white male, if that wasn’t obvious) other two founders.

    Wheezy Coats may have lost his comic book, but the narcissistic need for white filmmakers to push the achievements of fictional blacks higher and higher seems to only get worse. I don’t doubt that there are plenty of white democrats whose perverse wish to shower infinite blessings upon blacks will cause them to support the next Barack.

    All of this attention from filmmakers, implying that blacks are always the superior leaders, must be intensely frustrating to blacks.

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    All of this attention from filmmakers, implying that blacks are always the superior leaders, must be intensely frustrating to blacks.
     
    Given the already stratospheric levels of black self-esteem, add in BLM and loonily unrealistic material like this and you have a recipe for even more widespread and explosive black violence. The FBI profile for looney tunes mass killers is gonna look a lot darker-hued going forward, assuming that FBI profiles aren't outlawed because racism.
    , @Triumph104
    A lot of black charter schools have the word "leadership" in the school's name. Former basketball player Jalen Rose has a 99% black Detroit charter high school called the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy. The school's ACT average is 15.6 and less than 5% of the students are college-ready.

    Several black charter schools refer to their students as "scholars".
  60. @Clyde
    Forget the crude blacks you see in the Congressional Black Caucus. Many/most of them can be indicted for enriching themselves same way Corrine Brown was. All this takes is an unafraid prosecutor. The new breed will copy Obama and get their education tickets punched at the right places. Hispanics and Asians will vote for them if they look non-thieving.

    Stacey Abrams and her five siblings grew up in Gulfport, Mississippi (very rootsy credentials) with three tenets: go to school, go to church, and take care of each other. Despite struggling to make ends meet for their family, her parents made service a way of life for their children – if someone was less fortunate, it was their job to serve that person.

    This ethic – and her parents’ unwavering commitment to providing educational opportunity for their children – led the family to Georgia. Stacey’s parents attended Emory University to pursue graduate studies in Theology and become United Methodist ministers. (give me that old time religion) Stacey and her younger siblings attended DeKalb County Schools, and she graduated from Avondale High School.

    Stacey received degrees from Spelman College, the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, and Yale Law School. She put her education to work to better the lives of Georgians through the government, nonprofit, and business sectors.
     

    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn’t oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn’t be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and “black leaders” so they wouldn’t agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

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    Rangel's a crafty lawyer. He's not suffering intellectual deficits. Waters may have intellectual deficits, but emotional problems are more salient in her case. Ditto Sheila Jackson Lee.
    , @Alden
    I can't wait till all the Hispanic anchor babies on her district grow up and vote that hag out of office.
    , @Truth



    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.
     
    ...And made a lot more money than you.
    , @Henry Bowman
    source? I really need to use this in a project.
  61. @Flip
    O/T, but in today's NYT there's an article on Jewish cuisine in Berlin and the writer makes a comment about "when the Soviets liberated the city in 1945." Is that really the right word? Paris was liberated; I think Berlin was conquered.

    Within 5 years the NY Times will be talking about the “tragedy” of the end of the Soviet Union.

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    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    At this rate, the NYT will talk also of the "tragedy" of the deaths of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.
  62. @Buffalo Joe
    Luke, you would think the answer to your questions is, not much, but they vote as a bloc and have a considerable presence in many major American cities. I don't think they are major cash contributors to the dem party, but the dems need to placate them, because when they go off the plantation, as in Ferguson and Baltimore, they hurt the dem's cause.

    I don’t think they are major cash contributors to the dem party

    They actually are, via (public employee) unions.

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    snor, You make a good point, but I wonder how many would contribute if it didn't come out of their check as an automatic draw?
  63. @syonredux
    You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring.....

    Especially the Asians, whose kids are beaten out for selective-school places by affirmative action blacks, and who are major targets of black crime.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Asians vote overwhelmingly democrat.

    Most of the weeping and wailing and caterwauling about Asians losing out to blacks and Hispanics comes from Whites hoping that Asians might come over to our side. They won't.

    So their kids have to to UCLA instead of Stanford or University of Illinois aeronautical and astronautical program instead of MIT, or Johns Hopkins instead of Harvard. BFD

    They still get all the affirmative action goodies in hiring, subsidies for their businesses etc. Plus they have the added advantage of their networks which they will never give up for equal competition.
  64. No, the articulate black was “one and done” with Obama. If they try to run a telegenic black ticket you’re just going to see Trump style electoral blowouts with the rust belt swinging hard Repub as long as they don’t run Steve’s BFF Romney mouthing platitudes from NRO.

    I’m always surprised no one realises the REAL circle that the the Dems have to square is not looking like insane people to wide swathes of America when they get up there and sound like Hillary post Dallas. Part of Obama’s appeal was that he kept his Alinsky insanity under wraps until AFTER he was elected. Not so much for Kamela Harris and Cory Booker.

    Furthermore the alternative media is much, much, much more robust than it was in 2008. If Obama had tried to run in 2016, some patriot would shown up with Reverend Wright tapes with Obama Amening when Wright was talking about 9/11 that would have been to Obama what Hillary collapsing on 9/11 was.

    If you really think Kamela Harris or Cory Booker has half the shine of Obama, you need to go back and watch them. Lots of the same vocal tricks, but delivered with half the panache, and an even greater tendency to get flustered. Trump may be still learning how the Presidency works, but he does know how to campaign, and campaign hard. I don’t think Booker or Harris, who are anointed ones in safe seats (sound familiar) can keep up with Trump’s attacking from all points of the compass.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Jack, the Dems abandoned the white working class in favor of a coalition of the Privileged, the Perverts and the Parasites.

    The moron Republican establishment are in too deep committment to their corporate owners to take advantage of this stupidity.

    I think they both will find this a hard road to reverse on.
  65. @Camlost
    One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he's a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he's not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn't get what he wants.

    During the 2008 election, Obama’s half-Indonesian half-sister, was involved in outreach to Asian-American community. So was the Canadian-American brother-in-law, who is Malaysian-Chinese in extraction. I think I heard a robo-call from him that the brother-in-law speak decent “Sunday school Chinese.” Those factors went far at least in 2008. The involvement seems to dropped off in 2012.

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  66. @Steve in Greensboro
    How many times does a SWPL have to vote for a random black person to expiate their sins (or perhaps my sins)?

    Should I get a bet down now on President Winfrey?

    Or do these idiots eventually figure it out?

    OK. President Winfrey it is.

    You jest, but she’s a very likely candidate.

    Her weakness is that her non-cable show went off the air more than few years ago, so younger folks (those under 30) won’t know her, remember her, or care about her, and older folks won’t feel her massive cultural pull as much. Trump’s show, remember, was on the air to the moment he ran for president. He knew the value of a good Q rating when running for office.

    And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter.

    The other obvious person running is Tom Hanks. Hanks recently sent the White House Press Corp a new coffee/expresso machine, and said something politically decent regarding Trump. He’s clearly angling to get into politics, and he saw how Trump vaulted to the head of the line based on celebrity.

    Again, the issue with Hanks is nastiness. His image is modern-day left-wing version of Jimmy Stewart; we haven’t seem him play dirty. Trump had the advantage of always coming off as a hardass, especially after his show positioned him as the “You’re fired!” ruthless businessman; his being nasty was normal.

    If Hanks is serious about running, I would suggest to him deliberately making a few films in the next few years that showcase his character being nasty and mean. An H.L. Mencken bio pic? A Don Rickles-esque comic? A biopic as FDR as a young, angry, cutthroat? Audiences need to get used to Hanks in mean mode before he steps out against Trump.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Road to Perdition was pretty bad ass.
    , @Jefferson
    "And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter."

    I read that Rosie O'Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her. At least Donald J. Trump's kids love him.
  67. @Art Deco
    It didn't 'permanently alienate' Southern whites. The Democratic Party's advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn't until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn't until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia - NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.

    Exactly – Sean Trende wrote a good overview on how the GOP was making steady progress in the South in the late 40s and 50s, even as it pushed civil rights at the Federal level.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/30/southern_whites_shift_to_the_gop_predates_the_60s_118172.html

    This was due to the ongoing transformation of the South into a more “normal” part of the country following the investments of the New Deal, wartime manufacturing, and the postwar increase in industry and cities and suburbs. This created constituencies who voted Republican in the postwar era (middle managers, small businessmen, local professionals, etc). The rise of the sunbelt economic boom in the 70s and 80s sped this process up.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In the 1968 election, among Southern whites, Wallace took the small town white vote who wanted to keep Jim Crow going, Humphrey took the highland whites where there weren't many blacks around and union stuff was most important, and Nixon got the suburban whites who wanted to put Jim Crow behind them and just be a normal part of the modern U.S.
  68. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    Since she was appointed Senator, Gillibrand has been far left unlike when she was a Congressman. She ran as a conservative Dem back then (slept with a shotgun under her bed was the story she told). She won her congressional seat the first time when a leak of sealed information that her opponent had a domestic incident with his ex-wife appeared in the press. Irony being that after the election it was disclosed that it was the ex-wife that was beating up on the Congressman not the other way around. A good bit of luck for Gillibrand. She was only elected to that seat one more time.

    Now the good Senator has been making a name for herself by opposing everything and everyone Trump proposes.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    I was appalled at her inviting the crazy, lying "mattress girl" to be her guest to the State of the Union address.
  69. @Guy Incognito
    Exactly - Sean Trende wrote a good overview on how the GOP was making steady progress in the South in the late 40s and 50s, even as it pushed civil rights at the Federal level.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/30/southern_whites_shift_to_the_gop_predates_the_60s_118172.html

    This was due to the ongoing transformation of the South into a more "normal" part of the country following the investments of the New Deal, wartime manufacturing, and the postwar increase in industry and cities and suburbs. This created constituencies who voted Republican in the postwar era (middle managers, small businessmen, local professionals, etc). The rise of the sunbelt economic boom in the 70s and 80s sped this process up.

    In the 1968 election, among Southern whites, Wallace took the small town white vote who wanted to keep Jim Crow going, Humphrey took the highland whites where there weren’t many blacks around and union stuff was most important, and Nixon got the suburban whites who wanted to put Jim Crow behind them and just be a normal part of the modern U.S.

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    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    I'm sure that is right, but the MSM still insists Nixon was elected by a " Southern Strategy" of appealing to Old South segregationists. Ignoring the fact Wallace won 5 states and 13.5 percent of the total vote. They also bring up the 1972 election, seemingly unaware that Wallace was back in the Democrat fold before nearly being assassinated, and Dems nominated McGovern
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    @Jack D

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.
     
    Good luck with that.

    There’s always the hope of ‘trans-racialism’.

    We can get a white person to be a trans-Palestinian.

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  71. @Clyde
    Forget the crude blacks you see in the Congressional Black Caucus. Many/most of them can be indicted for enriching themselves same way Corrine Brown was. All this takes is an unafraid prosecutor. The new breed will copy Obama and get their education tickets punched at the right places. Hispanics and Asians will vote for them if they look non-thieving.

    Stacey Abrams and her five siblings grew up in Gulfport, Mississippi (very rootsy credentials) with three tenets: go to school, go to church, and take care of each other. Despite struggling to make ends meet for their family, her parents made service a way of life for their children – if someone was less fortunate, it was their job to serve that person.

    This ethic – and her parents’ unwavering commitment to providing educational opportunity for their children – led the family to Georgia. Stacey’s parents attended Emory University to pursue graduate studies in Theology and become United Methodist ministers. (give me that old time religion) Stacey and her younger siblings attended DeKalb County Schools, and she graduated from Avondale High School.

    Stacey received degrees from Spelman College, the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, and Yale Law School. She put her education to work to better the lives of Georgians through the government, nonprofit, and business sectors.
     

    The new breed will copy Obama and get their education tickets punched at the right places. Hispanics and Asians will vote for them if they look non-thieving.

    Magic Negroes like Obama and Ms. Stacey Abrams are Outlier http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Outlier.html

    Although quite rare, there easy to find because they stick out like sore thumbs, so journalist are constantly writing stories about them. However there very very difficult to replicate, so even though the journalist conveys a message there will be more of them, it’s highly unlikely. The Democratic party had a hard enough time finding Obama and he wanted to be found.

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  72. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    It’s the massive voter fraud; they didn’t do it in 2016 because they believe their own hype and thought it was in the bag. Urban vote totals came in at the same time suburban and rural; that never happens when the fraud is going down.

    They need to wait and get the number of votes they need to manufacture; that only happens after everybody else has reported. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were especially obvious…Michigan was kind of normal, Detroit precinct had 50 paper ballots and reported 305 votes for the crone…that’s why they stopped the recount, it was going to show the extent of fraud in Detroit.

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  73. All of the coalition of the fringes will follow leftist blacks if they feel that is where the action is in scamming whitey. Neither Asians or Hispanics have loyalty to the US. They are only loyal to their tribe and will vote accordingly. The Asians want open borders to increase the numbers of their tribe and to introduce other Asians to the horrors of microaggressions and white privilege. Asians also want to cash in on the SJW bandwagon when the opportunity arrises.

    Female Hispanics, and to a lessor degree male Hispanics, want to turn the US into Mexico Norte and increase the social services to which they are addicted. One of the primary missions of Hispanics is to take the social services Americans no longer want to take.

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    • Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Female Hispanics, and to a lessor degree male Hispanics, want to turn the US into Mexico Norte and increase the social services to which they are addicted.
     
    This is wrong as to the Hispanic American work ethic (ex Puerto Ricans) and very wrong as to the level of public social service benefits in Mexico.
  74. @AnotherDad
    My guess is that while the Democrats will have to be juggling ethnic entitlement continually from here on out--they created "diversity" not just out of ethnic animus but to have a balkanized nation in which the state is supreme and unchallenged; so really not a bug, but a feature--they won't have to keep the national ticket black every year.

    However, i do think that members of their largest constituency--WWW (Whiny white women)--make particularly bad national candidates. The problem is WWWs think they are somehow "oppressed", but minorities look at them and accurately think WWWs are in fact the most privileged demographic in the nation. Furthermore men--neither minority or white--actually want to listen to their whining, lecturing, hectoring.

    While Trump winning was--potentially, if Trump stops cucking--great for the nation, to me there's no doubt that Hillary would have been a disaster for the Democratic party. She is just so unpleasant. Some of that is just Hillary's personal unpleasantness. But most is inherent in her i'm-going-to-tell-you-what's-wrong-with-you church lady demeanor that is characteristic of the type. The Democrats dodged a bullet which could have blown a hole in their party's image for a generation (worse than Carter).

    I assume lots of smart Democrats understand all this. But the problem is when a party is so ideologically straight-jacketed it's hard to speak freely, openly about such issues.





    precisely to drive up voting for the parasite

    From a letter in today’s NYT.

    “Fact is, many of us who are most enraged by Donald Trump’s presidency would prefer it if Hillary Clinton, along with Bill, would go away. The Clintons have been running the Democratic Party like a fief for 25 years. Hillary should not even have run for president in 2016. She was ethically compromised from the get-go. She’s not good at retail politics, she’s a chronic, shameless dissembler and her campaign was grossly incompetent.”

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  75. @syonredux
    You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring.....

    Kiss today; kick tomorrow. Asians plan ahead.

    Hispanic men don’t kiss Black ass, and don’t intend to start anytime soon.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Hispanic men don’t kiss Black ass,"

    They kissed Barack Hussein Obama's Black ass and they will kiss Cory Booker's Black ass in 2020.
  76. @EriK
    Since she was appointed Senator, Gillibrand has been far left unlike when she was a Congressman. She ran as a conservative Dem back then (slept with a shotgun under her bed was the story she told). She won her congressional seat the first time when a leak of sealed information that her opponent had a domestic incident with his ex-wife appeared in the press. Irony being that after the election it was disclosed that it was the ex-wife that was beating up on the Congressman not the other way around. A good bit of luck for Gillibrand. She was only elected to that seat one more time.

    Now the good Senator has been making a name for herself by opposing everything and everyone Trump proposes.

    I was appalled at her inviting the crazy, lying “mattress girl” to be her guest to the State of the Union address.

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  77. @Rotten
    Is Steve saying that the Democrats wolnt show up for Gavin Newsome or whoever the Democrats run in 2016, or that such a candidate is impossible due to what the Democrats have become?

    If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious."

    Unless Gavin Newsom says he likes to have sex with men and or he starts self identifying as a woman, he won't be the face of The Democratic Party in 2020. Heterosexual cis White men in The Democratic Party are finished and relegated to the back of the bus. This is Cory Booker's time. He is the chosen one.

  78. @Art Deco
    At any one time, about 15% of the black population is quite troubled and troublesome; these are the people collecting TANF and collecting disability and unemployment benefits at abnomral levels. You keep mistaking that set for the whole. The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Impecunious wage earners are eligible for SNAP and Section 8, but people who are notionally eligible commonly do not apply for these programs and housing subsidies are extended (via lottery) only to a modest minority of the notionally eligible. The total expenditure per notionally eligible household on SNAP, housing subsidies, and utility subsidies amounts to about $4,000 per year. Of course, those who apply get the benefits (which are more lucrative than that figure), but on the whole, that class in society (about 30% of the population, some of them elderly) are not livin' large on these sorts of public subsidies.

    As for Medicaid, it's made use of by every class in society. Among the affluent, it's tapped when you have eldercare disasters. Among the impecunious, it's tapped when you're in small-scale wage employment which lacks insurance benefits. About 19% of all those receiving Medicaid benefits for medical care (as opposed to l/t care) are black, v. 13% of the population as a whole. The excess amounts to about 750,000 individuals in a black populaiton of 40,000,000

    Then you have to ask yourself how the benefit stream is likely to differ under a Republican administration. The answer is, 'only marginally'.

    The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Propensity? Without AA set-asides, just how many black civil servants would there be? Note that among NYC’s firefighters, blacks were a minuscule number of that workforce, because they tended to score fairly low. What Judge Garaufis did seems to have been to insist that NYC adopt the same hiring rules as the Federal government for civil service jobs – hire some percentage of top-scoring blacks to fill a percentage quota regardless of their qualifications rather than just hire the top scoring candidates for office. Without these quotas, the civil service would be mostly non-black.

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    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one's default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well, unless public employment systematically draws on skill sets that were less common or more common among blacks. I suppose there might be literature in industrial psychology on that question.

    Ethnic groups, assessed collectively, tend to pool in certain types of employment. People here are obsessed with Jews. Jews tend to be found in employment that incorporates verbalization and negotiation (law, agency, distributional enterprises where price arbitrage is important, electoral politics). Blacks tend to be found in lines of work where personal service and/or carrying things is important (barbers, nurse's aides, porters, postal workers, and, back in the day, domestic service). I don't think it's all that suspicious that 22% of all postal workers are black or 16.7% of those employed in general public administration are black. Without a doubt, preference schemes will explain a fat chunk of that, but that sort of pooling is something you might see without preference schemes. IIRC, about 1/3 of the barbers in the United States are black. I don't think AA explains that.

  79. @Clyde

    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?
     
    More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black. Black is in except in China, even though you and I know the IQ truth. How soon before the homeless black Africans camping out in downtown Paris get lionized too? They are just a few soccer and basketball player-heroes away.

    Black is in except in China

    The other notable exception is Africa and other completely black states like Jamaica and Haiti.

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  80. @Yak-15
    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.

    “blacks are not actually liberals.”

    They are not Burning Man Portlandia SWPL liberals, but they are ghetto hood liberals. Liberalism has many branches, not just 1. Liberalism is not limited to just SWPLism.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    I find their obsession with their in-group and their clamor to help their co-ethics violates the tenets of most modern liberals. How is it that you find blacks to be liberals other than that they want me gimmedats? To me, it seems as though they want more for themselves.
  81. @Yak-15
    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals. They are mostly conservative folks who favor them and their kind over outsiders. The entire push of their political existence is to help themselves, not empower others. I believe this realization will cause a real rift in the leftists going forward.

    I wonder when the typical white progressive will start to realize that blacks are not actually liberals.

    Roughly 1930 or thereabouts.

    Newsflash: the typical white progressive isn’t liberal either.

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  82. @whorefinder
    You jest, but she's a very likely candidate.

    Her weakness is that her non-cable show went off the air more than few years ago, so younger folks (those under 30) won't know her, remember her, or care about her, and older folks won't feel her massive cultural pull as much. Trump's show, remember, was on the air to the moment he ran for president. He knew the value of a good Q rating when running for office.

    And she'll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O'Donnell got nasty after being known as "The Queen of Nice" and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter.

    The other obvious person running is Tom Hanks. Hanks recently sent the White House Press Corp a new coffee/expresso machine, and said something politically decent regarding Trump. He's clearly angling to get into politics, and he saw how Trump vaulted to the head of the line based on celebrity.

    Again, the issue with Hanks is nastiness. His image is modern-day left-wing version of Jimmy Stewart; we haven't seem him play dirty. Trump had the advantage of always coming off as a hardass, especially after his show positioned him as the "You're fired!" ruthless businessman; his being nasty was normal.

    If Hanks is serious about running, I would suggest to him deliberately making a few films in the next few years that showcase his character being nasty and mean. An H.L. Mencken bio pic? A Don Rickles-esque comic? A biopic as FDR as a young, angry, cutthroat? Audiences need to get used to Hanks in mean mode before he steps out against Trump.

    Road to Perdition was pretty bad ass.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    I don't mean "bad ass" I mean "nasty." Like a really verbally aggressive, insulting type of guy. The Road to Perdition guy was still Hanksian: loving and protective father, husband, and family man, loyal to his boss, small-town America. He just happened to make his living as a bootlegging enforcer.
  83. @Dave Shanken
    Kiss today; kick tomorrow. Asians plan ahead.

    Hispanic men don't kiss Black ass, and don't intend to start anytime soon.

    “Hispanic men don’t kiss Black ass,”

    They kissed Barack Hussein Obama’s Black ass and they will kiss Cory Booker’s Black ass in 2020.

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Henry Bowman
    They may not vote for Trump but I promise you this..They will not kiss the ass of a black/woman.
  84. @Camlost
    One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he's a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he's not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn't get what he wants.

    “One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he’s a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he’s not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn’t get what he wants.”

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him.

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    • Replies: @Greasy William

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him
     
    Cory Booker can't make it through the Dem primaries. I don't understand why people can't see this.

    He might be on the ticket as VP, but are blacks really going to come out en masse for a boring gay guy who would only be Vice President? I doubt it.
  85. @Harry Baldwin
    If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious.

    “If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious.”

    Unless Gavin Newsom says he likes to have sex with men and or he starts self identifying as a woman, he won’t be the face of The Democratic Party in 2020. Heterosexual cis White men in The Democratic Party are finished and relegated to the back of the bus. This is Cory Booker’s time. He is the chosen one.

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    • Replies: @dreamboat fuhrer
    Gavin Newsom is (or at least acts) very straight.

    He has dated numerous women, stolen the wife of his closest aide, married twice, fathered four kids, and famously dated a teenager while mayor of SF.

    (Among the alt-right that last one might be cause for respect but in today's Dem party "I'm twice your age" is only a winning line if it's the woman saying it.)
  86. @Luke Lea
    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?

    They can double the violent crime rate, double the amount of welfare payments etc etc.

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  87. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    I thought it was just a simple Ellis Island typo- someone confusing Wasp with Wops.

    Easily done..

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  88. @Jack D

    Material interests are not motivating for black voters
     
    Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain't wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks - welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed.

    “Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain’t wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks – welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed.”

    Why do Black households who make too much money to qualify for section 8 housing, welfare , and food stamps still vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party?

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Why do blacks who make too much money to qualify for section 8, food stamps etc still vote democrat?

    Because 90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government or poverty pimp NGO jobs. Without affirmative action most would be in welfare. Although their government jobs are a more expensive form of welfare.
    , @snorlax
    The answer to your rhetorical question, and others asked ITT, such as

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, [shouldn't] both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) have a constituency among blacks[?]
     
    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
  89. @whorefinder
    You jest, but she's a very likely candidate.

    Her weakness is that her non-cable show went off the air more than few years ago, so younger folks (those under 30) won't know her, remember her, or care about her, and older folks won't feel her massive cultural pull as much. Trump's show, remember, was on the air to the moment he ran for president. He knew the value of a good Q rating when running for office.

    And she'll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O'Donnell got nasty after being known as "The Queen of Nice" and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter.

    The other obvious person running is Tom Hanks. Hanks recently sent the White House Press Corp a new coffee/expresso machine, and said something politically decent regarding Trump. He's clearly angling to get into politics, and he saw how Trump vaulted to the head of the line based on celebrity.

    Again, the issue with Hanks is nastiness. His image is modern-day left-wing version of Jimmy Stewart; we haven't seem him play dirty. Trump had the advantage of always coming off as a hardass, especially after his show positioned him as the "You're fired!" ruthless businessman; his being nasty was normal.

    If Hanks is serious about running, I would suggest to him deliberately making a few films in the next few years that showcase his character being nasty and mean. An H.L. Mencken bio pic? A Don Rickles-esque comic? A biopic as FDR as a young, angry, cutthroat? Audiences need to get used to Hanks in mean mode before he steps out against Trump.

    “And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter.”

    I read that Rosie O’Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her. At least Donald J. Trump’s kids love him.

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    The oldest daughter moved out on her 18th birthday.
    , @whorefinder

    I read that Rosie O’Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her.
     
    They're not "her kids." She adopted them as soon as they allowed lesbians to adopt to "prove" that lesbians were just as good at being parents as straights. And, of course, she is a great example of how they don't.
    , @Truth

    At least Donald J. Trump’s kids love him.
     
    ...His four sons sing his praises all the time...
  90. @Jack Hanson
    No, the articulate black was "one and done" with Obama. If they try to run a telegenic black ticket you're just going to see Trump style electoral blowouts with the rust belt swinging hard Repub as long as they don't run Steve's BFF Romney mouthing platitudes from NRO.

    I'm always surprised no one realises the REAL circle that the the Dems have to square is not looking like insane people to wide swathes of America when they get up there and sound like Hillary post Dallas. Part of Obama's appeal was that he kept his Alinsky insanity under wraps until AFTER he was elected. Not so much for Kamela Harris and Cory Booker.

    Furthermore the alternative media is much, much, much more robust than it was in 2008. If Obama had tried to run in 2016, some patriot would shown up with Reverend Wright tapes with Obama Amening when Wright was talking about 9/11 that would have been to Obama what Hillary collapsing on 9/11 was.

    If you really think Kamela Harris or Cory Booker has half the shine of Obama, you need to go back and watch them. Lots of the same vocal tricks, but delivered with half the panache, and an even greater tendency to get flustered. Trump may be still learning how the Presidency works, but he does know how to campaign, and campaign hard. I don't think Booker or Harris, who are anointed ones in safe seats (sound familiar) can keep up with Trump's attacking from all points of the compass.

    Jack, the Dems abandoned the white working class in favor of a coalition of the Privileged, the Perverts and the Parasites.

    The moron Republican establishment are in too deep committment to their corporate owners to take advantage of this stupidity.

    I think they both will find this a hard road to reverse on.

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  91. @Buffalo Joe
    Sarge, I don't think she "used to be a lesbian." I think she still is but wanted to have children in the traditional manner. Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio's sexual orientation.

    “Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation.”

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Who is he married to now?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jeff. Good point but Charlane is fugly.
    , @Alden
    At least Charlane is nice and thin. She looks great from the chin down.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIYc1IPA-08
    , @Truth
    You question a man's sexuality because he has sex with a woman you don't find attractive?
  92. @Clyde

    How much influence can 15% of the population with average IQ of 85 have?
     
    More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black. Black is in except in China, even though you and I know the IQ truth. How soon before the homeless black Africans camping out in downtown Paris get lionized too? They are just a few soccer and basketball player-heroes away.

    “More than you would think. They are so big (aka living large) in the American media that gets transported everywhere, that foreigners think America is 35% black.”

    People in other countries who watch Grey’s Anatomy will come to the conclusion that Seattle is a majority Black city thanks to Hollywood Blackwashing.

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  93. @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

    Who is he married to now?

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    "Who is he married to now?"

    Mary Steenburgen.
    , @syonredux

    Who is he married to now?
     
    Mary Steenburgen

    Danson and his first wife, actress Randall "Randy" Gosch (now professionally known as Randy Danson), were married in 1970 and divorced in 1975. Danson's second wife was producer Cassandra "Casey" Coates; they were married in 1977. On December 24, 1979, while giving birth to their first daughter Kate, Coates suffered a stroke, and Danson spent several years caring for her and helping her recuperate. They later adopted a second daughter, Alexis. Danson's affair with actress Whoopi Goldberg led to their divorce in 1993.[18] It was one of Hollywood's costliest divorces, reportedly costing Danson $30 million.[19]
    On October 7, 1995, Danson married actress Mary Steenburgen, whom he met on the set of the movie Pontiac Moon in 1993, and became the stepfather to Steenburgen's daughter Lilly and son Charlie McDowell from her previous marriage to actor Malcolm McDowell.
    Danson had previously been a vegan multiple times.[20][21] He currently adheres to a pescetarian diet. Danson suffers from Poland syndrome, and was bullied as a child. [22]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Danson#Personal_life
  94. @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

    Jeff. Good point but Charlane is fugly.

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  95. @Steve Sailer
    Who is he married to now?

    Who is he married to now?

    Mary Steenburgen

    Danson and his first wife, actress Randall “Randy” Gosch (now professionally known as Randy Danson), were married in 1970 and divorced in 1975. Danson’s second wife was producer Cassandra “Casey” Coates; they were married in 1977. On December 24, 1979, while giving birth to their first daughter Kate, Coates suffered a stroke, and Danson spent several years caring for her and helping her recuperate. They later adopted a second daughter, Alexis. Danson’s affair with actress Whoopi Goldberg led to their divorce in 1993.[18] It was one of Hollywood’s costliest divorces, reportedly costing Danson $30 million.[19]
    On October 7, 1995, Danson married actress Mary Steenburgen, whom he met on the set of the movie Pontiac Moon in 1993, and became the stepfather to Steenburgen’s daughter Lilly and son Charlie McDowell from her previous marriage to actor Malcolm McDowell.
    Danson had previously been a vegan multiple times.[20][21] He currently adheres to a pescetarian diet. Danson suffers from Poland syndrome, and was bullied as a child. [22]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Danson#Personal_life

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    Well, there you go, what kind of heterosexual man would like Mary Steenburgen?
    , @Alden
    He really had an affair with Whoppie Goldberg???! I always thought it was a pr stunt for that movie they made together.

    How could he? How could anyone? Maybe he's blind. At least the Orc was too old to have a baby Orc. How humiliating for the wife, to be dumped for the ugliest woman in the business.
  96. @snorlax

    I don’t think they are major cash contributors to the dem party
     
    They actually are, via (public employee) unions.

    snor, You make a good point, but I wonder how many would contribute if it didn’t come out of their check as an automatic draw?

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Probably more than Hispanics but less than Subaru drivers.
  97. @Lot
    Is Deblasio a Wasp to Italian trans ethnic as well as honorary black?

    The Dem frontrunner right now is Sen Gillibrand, a blonde/MILF/reliable but not extreme liberal who managed to get elected to a GOP district upstate several times.

    German descent communist father, Italian descent communist mother. Dad was a drunken wife and child beater. So de blasio changed his name to his mother’s as soon as he was legally an adult.

    Parents met at a commie activist group and worked at communist front groups all their lives

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    Alden:

    I was unaware of the communist connection with De Blasio's parents.

    The UR comes through again!

    Thanks.
    , @Bro Methylene
    "Dad was a drunken wife..."? Talk about a dysfunctional family!
    , @Henry Bowman
    And just think that if we had the 1924 Immigration Act in place around 1890 how much scum would NOT be in power let alone in this nation to begin with.
  98. @syonredux

    Who is he married to now?
     
    Mary Steenburgen

    Danson and his first wife, actress Randall "Randy" Gosch (now professionally known as Randy Danson), were married in 1970 and divorced in 1975. Danson's second wife was producer Cassandra "Casey" Coates; they were married in 1977. On December 24, 1979, while giving birth to their first daughter Kate, Coates suffered a stroke, and Danson spent several years caring for her and helping her recuperate. They later adopted a second daughter, Alexis. Danson's affair with actress Whoopi Goldberg led to their divorce in 1993.[18] It was one of Hollywood's costliest divorces, reportedly costing Danson $30 million.[19]
    On October 7, 1995, Danson married actress Mary Steenburgen, whom he met on the set of the movie Pontiac Moon in 1993, and became the stepfather to Steenburgen's daughter Lilly and son Charlie McDowell from her previous marriage to actor Malcolm McDowell.
    Danson had previously been a vegan multiple times.[20][21] He currently adheres to a pescetarian diet. Danson suffers from Poland syndrome, and was bullied as a child. [22]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Danson#Personal_life

    Well, there you go, what kind of heterosexual man would like Mary Steenburgen?

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjQc-62vfNM
    , @Truth
    Well that's a dude, so, technically, none.
  99. @syonredux

    Who is he married to now?
     
    Mary Steenburgen

    Danson and his first wife, actress Randall "Randy" Gosch (now professionally known as Randy Danson), were married in 1970 and divorced in 1975. Danson's second wife was producer Cassandra "Casey" Coates; they were married in 1977. On December 24, 1979, while giving birth to their first daughter Kate, Coates suffered a stroke, and Danson spent several years caring for her and helping her recuperate. They later adopted a second daughter, Alexis. Danson's affair with actress Whoopi Goldberg led to their divorce in 1993.[18] It was one of Hollywood's costliest divorces, reportedly costing Danson $30 million.[19]
    On October 7, 1995, Danson married actress Mary Steenburgen, whom he met on the set of the movie Pontiac Moon in 1993, and became the stepfather to Steenburgen's daughter Lilly and son Charlie McDowell from her previous marriage to actor Malcolm McDowell.
    Danson had previously been a vegan multiple times.[20][21] He currently adheres to a pescetarian diet. Danson suffers from Poland syndrome, and was bullied as a child. [22]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Danson#Personal_life

    He really had an affair with Whoppie Goldberg???! I always thought it was a pr stunt for that movie they made together.

    How could he? How could anyone? Maybe he’s blind. At least the Orc was too old to have a baby Orc. How humiliating for the wife, to be dumped for the ugliest woman in the business.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Now Aldey, we're not a little, jealous, are we?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=whoopi+goldberg+dating&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjijofa1fTTAhWmjVQKHTs8CIgQ_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=609#imgrc=4mg_yAOTKFf3ZM:

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2017872.1416510686!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/127132-5622.jpg

    https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.jhJj0B8BOPhJTAWMqZMyqQDVEs

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/2e/8b/2c2e8b5d9ac09c9efe3b9ee639cb7911.jpg

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/00/c7/26/00c72656c69f6ea1793342711f26e8eb.png

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/54/6b/74/546b7401e98155fbb720205582bca95e.jpg

    https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/51/1019396/original/frank-langella-photo-u10?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg
  100. @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

    At least Charlane is nice and thin. She looks great from the chin down.

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  101. @Jefferson
    "And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter."

    I read that Rosie O'Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her. At least Donald J. Trump's kids love him.

    The oldest daughter moved out on her 18th birthday.

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  102. @syonredux
    Facilis descensus Averno;
    Noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    Sed revocare gradum superasque evadere ad auras,
    Hoc opus, hic labor est.

    —Virgil, The Aeneid

    John Charity Spring lives again!

    “The gates of hell are open night and day.
    Smooth the descent and easy is the way.
    But to return and view the cheerful skies–
    In this the task and mighty labor lies.”

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  103. @Jefferson
    "Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain’t wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks – welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed."

    Why do Black households who make too much money to qualify for section 8 housing, welfare , and food stamps still vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party?

    Why do blacks who make too much money to qualify for section 8, food stamps etc still vote democrat?

    Because 90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government or poverty pimp NGO jobs. Without affirmative action most would be in welfare. Although their government jobs are a more expensive form of welfare.

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    • Replies: @Sammler
    ArtDeco (above) gave some actual facts, rather than making up a number like "90 percent".
  104. @Anon7
    Black people are constantly being urged to lead, even from the shadows. In the movie version of The Circle, one of the three founders of this world-shaking company is (of course) black. At the end of the film, only he can save the day (and the lovely Emma Watson) by completely outmaneuvering the evil and manipulative (and white male, if that wasn't obvious) other two founders.

    Wheezy Coats may have lost his comic book, but the narcissistic need for white filmmakers to push the achievements of fictional blacks higher and higher seems to only get worse. I don't doubt that there are plenty of white democrats whose perverse wish to shower infinite blessings upon blacks will cause them to support the next Barack.

    All of this attention from filmmakers, implying that blacks are always the superior leaders, must be intensely frustrating to blacks.

    All of this attention from filmmakers, implying that blacks are always the superior leaders, must be intensely frustrating to blacks.

    Given the already stratospheric levels of black self-esteem, add in BLM and loonily unrealistic material like this and you have a recipe for even more widespread and explosive black violence. The FBI profile for looney tunes mass killers is gonna look a lot darker-hued going forward, assuming that FBI profiles aren’t outlawed because racism.

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  105. @whorefinder
    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn't oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn't be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and "black leaders" so they wouldn't agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

    Rangel’s a crafty lawyer. He’s not suffering intellectual deficits. Waters may have intellectual deficits, but emotional problems are more salient in her case. Ditto Sheila Jackson Lee.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Art Deco:

    I have my problems with Rangel, but there is one thing I will give him credit for: that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.
    , @lavoisier
    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits, regardless of the burden imposed on them by psychiatric problems. Rangel may be corrupt, but I always found him to be intelligent. And he was right to try to get the draft reinstated. If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..
  106. @Jefferson
    "Completely wrong. Black support for the Democrat Party is ALL ABOUT material support. Blacks (and they ain’t wrong) perceive the Democrats as the party that supports gib-me-dats for blacks – welfare and food stamps, Section 8, government employment, AA, minority set asides , the whole show. Without Democrat support these programs would never have existed."

    Why do Black households who make too much money to qualify for section 8 housing, welfare , and food stamps still vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party?

    The answer to your rhetorical question, and others asked ITT, such as

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, [shouldn't] both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) have a constituency among blacks[?]

    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Black wage earner = affirmative action
    , @Art Deco
    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Who is 'reigning'? How does a city bus driver in St. Louis 'reign' when the Clintons are in the White House and Jay Nixon's in the state house?
    , @AnotherDad

    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
     
    Are you serious? The blacks don't rule the Democratic party. It's the Jews' party. They contribute most of the money, the contribute virtually all the intellectuals and they set the policy direction. Heck this was mostly true even back when I was a kid and the ethnic Catholics and southerners were still their vote banks.

    No the blacks are field hands. They get some real benefits out of the deal--government employment, welfare and the right to slap around whitey. That's not nothing. But the core policies--mass immigration (how great is the Mexican influx for blacks?), financialization, the super-state--how great are those for blacks? Exactly.
  107. @Buffalo Joe
    snor, You make a good point, but I wonder how many would contribute if it didn't come out of their check as an automatic draw?

    Probably more than Hispanics but less than Subaru drivers.

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  108. @syonredux
    Facilis descensus Averno;
    Noctes atque dies patet atri ianua Ditis;
    Sed revocare gradum superasque evadere ad auras,
    Hoc opus, hic labor est.

    —Virgil, The Aeneid

    btw – it never struck me before how closely this passage resembles Matthew 7:13-14:

    “…wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

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    • Replies: @syonredux
    Yes. Interesting similarities.....
    , @Ivy
    You may be interested in the book Strait is the Gate by André Gide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_Is_the_Gate
  109. @MBlanc46
    Especially the Asians, whose kids are beaten out for selective-school places by affirmative action blacks, and who are major targets of black crime.

    Asians vote overwhelmingly democrat.

    Most of the weeping and wailing and caterwauling about Asians losing out to blacks and Hispanics comes from Whites hoping that Asians might come over to our side. They won’t.

    So their kids have to to UCLA instead of Stanford or University of Illinois aeronautical and astronautical program instead of MIT, or Johns Hopkins instead of Harvard. BFD

    They still get all the affirmative action goodies in hiring, subsidies for their businesses etc. Plus they have the added advantage of their networks which they will never give up for equal competition.

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    • Replies: @Nico
    I still support an end to Affirmative Action, mostly because I know its end will spell the Oriental overrunning of Harvard just like what happened to Berkeley, and I love watching SJW goodies ruined. The only thing more satisfying is to hear a SJW moan about "Yellow Peril," but of course the minute a white liberal becomes lucid on race, he's no longer a liberal.
    , @Yak-15
    Asian do not get affirmative action. That is utter nonsense. Their income level given their education is rather low in the United States.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Asians were actually a solid Republican bloc until the Obama era. And at least in my experience, most of the affirmative action scholarships, etc. specifically excluded Asians. I can't remember one that benefitted me, at any rate.
  110. @snorlax
    The answer to your rhetorical question, and others asked ITT, such as

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, [shouldn't] both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) have a constituency among blacks[?]
     
    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Black wage earner = affirmative action

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  111. @Art Deco
    Rangel's a crafty lawyer. He's not suffering intellectual deficits. Waters may have intellectual deficits, but emotional problems are more salient in her case. Ditto Sheila Jackson Lee.

    Art Deco:

    I have my problems with Rangel, but there is one thing I will give him credit for: that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.

    There is no such thing as a 'neoconservative war' and the military's manpower requirements are met satisfactorily with a volunteer force. Military professionals want no draft and the only period of time in American history when conscription was in force absent a general mobilization or a state of affairs resembling a general mobilization was between 1954 and 1973. Even during that period, those enlisting outnumbered conscripts by a considerable margin.

  112. @Art Deco
    At any one time, about 15% of the black population is quite troubled and troublesome; these are the people collecting TANF and collecting disability and unemployment benefits at abnomral levels. You keep mistaking that set for the whole. The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Impecunious wage earners are eligible for SNAP and Section 8, but people who are notionally eligible commonly do not apply for these programs and housing subsidies are extended (via lottery) only to a modest minority of the notionally eligible. The total expenditure per notionally eligible household on SNAP, housing subsidies, and utility subsidies amounts to about $4,000 per year. Of course, those who apply get the benefits (which are more lucrative than that figure), but on the whole, that class in society (about 30% of the population, some of them elderly) are not livin' large on these sorts of public subsidies.

    As for Medicaid, it's made use of by every class in society. Among the affluent, it's tapped when you have eldercare disasters. Among the impecunious, it's tapped when you're in small-scale wage employment which lacks insurance benefits. About 19% of all those receiving Medicaid benefits for medical care (as opposed to l/t care) are black, v. 13% of the population as a whole. The excess amounts to about 750,000 individuals in a black populaiton of 40,000,000

    Then you have to ask yourself how the benefit stream is likely to differ under a Republican administration. The answer is, 'only marginally'.

    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.

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    • Replies: @fitzGetty
    Yes indeed and the P word must never be mentioned ...

    (Productivity ~ that alien, elitist, deplorably North European concept ).

    , @Art Deco
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Again, there are 18 million employed blacks. Blacks employed in 'public administration' number 1.145 million, those in general social assistance (e.g. childcare workers) number about 660,000, about 2.9 million or so work in health care (about evenly split between employment in medical services and employment in long-term care services), about 1.5 million work for educational institutions; about 100,000 work for law firms and counsel's offices; about 140,000 work for public utilities, about 140,000 are postal workers, about 150,000 work for bus and transit services, about 30,000 work for the railways; and about 30,000 work in data processing, archives, and libraries; and about 230,000 are in the military. That's about 39% of the black working population, of whom roughly half would be public employees. Some of them benefited from AA, some of them did not. I'm not sure how nurse's aides qualify as 'poverty pimps'.

    , @Truth



    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.
     
    Yeah, except you have to show up in the morning, hang out at an office all day and like, do stuff...

    Oh wait, that's what a job is.
  113. @Alden
    German descent communist father, Italian descent communist mother. Dad was a drunken wife and child beater. So de blasio changed his name to his mother's as soon as he was legally an adult.

    Parents met at a commie activist group and worked at communist front groups all their lives

    Alden:

    I was unaware of the communist connection with De Blasio’s parents.

    The UR comes through again!

    Thanks.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    You're welcome sir.

    Always happy to share my knowledge of the "intersectionality" of commies, liberals and democrats.
  114. @whorefinder
    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn't oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn't be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and "black leaders" so they wouldn't agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

    I can’t wait till all the Hispanic anchor babies on her district grow up and vote that hag out of office.

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  115. @Dan Hayes
    Alden:

    I was unaware of the communist connection with De Blasio's parents.

    The UR comes through again!

    Thanks.

    You’re welcome sir.

    Always happy to share my knowledge of the “intersectionality” of commies, liberals and democrats.

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  116. @AnotherDad

    If you can’t confront neo-liberalism on mass migration you can’t confront neo-liberalism, nothing else cements it in place quite like it.
     
    Well said, Altai.

    Mass immigration trashes every professed "progressive" goal other than sticking it to whitey.

    But even more simply, you can not have pro-worker politics that is for opening up the labor market to the world. That policy inherently drives down wage levels in any nation not at/near the bottom.

    "Progressive" politics that are for immigration are about something other--have some other agenda--than the good working men and women.

    Mass immigration trashes every professed “progressive” goal other than sticking it to whitey.

    People on the right always say this and it makes me think they aren’t familiar with contemporary Progressive thought.

    Progressivism = Globalism. Everything else is secondary and this is something that they are very vocal about.

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  117. @Jefferson
    "One thing lost about Barack Obama is the tiny minuscule detail that he’s a black man raised pretty much exclusively around and by white people.

    That made him much less threatening and very palatable to the white voters who wanted their racial catharsis from him, and he’s not imbued with the tendency to react like a black man when he doesn’t get what he wants."

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him.

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him

    Cory Booker can’t make it through the Dem primaries. I don’t understand why people can’t see this.

    He might be on the ticket as VP, but are blacks really going to come out en masse for a boring gay guy who would only be Vice President? I doubt it.

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    "Cory Booker can’t make it through the Dem primaries. I don’t understand why people can’t see this."

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole. That is why Cory Booker will win the Democratic primaries, because he has the racial demographics on his side.
  118. @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

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  119. @Vinteuil
    btw - it never struck me before how closely this passage resembles Matthew 7:13-14:

    "...wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

    Yes. Interesting similarities…..

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  120. @Jack D

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.
     
    Good luck with that.

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.

    Good luck with that.

    Not difficult at all. In the 1960s and 1970s my father had dealings with a Palestinian Christian family that had a lot of members with postgraduate STEM degrees. There was a reason why they were in the US.

    The patriarch, who before the Six Day War worked in Jordan’s civil service for the West Bank, told his children to get out of the West Bank. From his experience as a civil servant, he informed his children, he concluded that Muslims would always favor promoting a Muslim over a Christian.

    A grandson of the patriarch got his BS in the Middle East and his graduate STEM degrees in the US. While he was able to work in his profession in the US, the amount of time he devoted to political activism caused him to lose his jobs. One irony about his anti-Israel activism is that a cousin of his on the other side of his family has given ample testimony about Muslim harassment/violence/robbery against Christians in the West Bank. Which mirrors what the patriarch said over 50 years ago- but which his grandson conveniently forgot while protesting Israel.

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    • Replies: @Bro Methylene
    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.
  121. Blacks are the not so secret weapon of the Democratic Party — aimed at White Women. A dude on Heartiste’s site, not me, noted that the main preoccupation of Upper Class White women and those who aspire to that status is inter-female competition.

    White women ADORE Black women for the same reason they adore 4 foot tall obese Mexican women — they feel prettier beside them. Add in that Black men are known for toxic levels of self-esteem (tm Whiskey), no smattering of self-doubt urging them on to greater work efforts, lower IQs on average, and high levels of extraversion and violence and you can explain Europe’s Immavasion by Africans (also Muslims): women invite, men invade.

    White women voted by the TRUCKLOAD for Obama. They could not stop writing (particularly when married) sexual fantasies about him in the New York Times. Martin Luther King Jr. apparently cut a wide swath through married White women and Ralph Abernathy alludes to that incident where two of them met in the motel room with King on the last night of his life for a drag-out-fight.

    The pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising female incomes all make White dudes disposable to most Upper and Middle Class White women. They’d vote for Oprah in a heart beat (its why they adored Michelle Obama — even the frumpiest could look good next to her). They’d vote for Cory Booker even or especially if he came out as gay. They don’t seem to like other women much — too much bitchiness, and just won’t turn out (Marie Le Pen’s great weakness is being a woman). But for a Magic Negro of either sex, yes.

    Either Cory Booker or Oprah would beat Trump like a drum, even if he built the Wall and pushed up incomes by $20,000 a year. As he’s cucking out predictably to Jared and Ivanka, he’s lucky not to not be impeached by year’s end and replaced summarily by Obama as “regent” or what have you. [Yeah I know UnConstitutional -- since when has that mattered? Ever?]

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  122. @Daniel Chieh
    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    Even with his BLM superhero comic book cancelled?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    He needs inspiration, clearly, inside Hell he will find it.
  123. @Jefferson
    "A big question that doesn’t get asked often is how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left?"

    They have no problem being led by Blacks because they voted in a bloc for Barack Hussein Obama in 2008 and 2012. And they will vote in a bloc for Cory Booker in 2020.

    Nelson Mandela was followed by Thabo Mbeki, who was followed by Jacob Zuma.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    That's not the best example because non-blacks (whites, mixed-race "coloreds" and Indians) all vote >90% against the DNC nowadays; they just have no hope of outweighing the >75% the ANC gets with blacks.

    Demographics are destiny and all that. I think the most likely scenario where whites start voting as a bloc or Hispanics and/or Asians start voting like whites is something like present-day SA — i.e. after it's too late to matter.
  124. @Greasy William

    Cory Booker hangs out with a lot of White people as well in his personal life, hence why he is the next Obama. The political Right better not underestimate him
     
    Cory Booker can't make it through the Dem primaries. I don't understand why people can't see this.

    He might be on the ticket as VP, but are blacks really going to come out en masse for a boring gay guy who would only be Vice President? I doubt it.

    “Cory Booker can’t make it through the Dem primaries. I don’t understand why people can’t see this.”

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole. That is why Cory Booker will win the Democratic primaries, because he has the racial demographics on his side.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    He won't win. He wasn't that popular in Newark or NJ. The novelty of a black president is over. He won't be able to get the younger blacks in sufficient numbers.

    Finally and most importantly he's pushing 50 with no black wife or kids. Rumor is he gay, which would garner media hoopla but wouldn't do much for him with blacks. Another rumor is that he's straight but likes white women. Like a young Obama he realizes this is politically damaging & has avoided going public.
    , @Greasy William

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole
     
    1. Latinos, Asians and Muslims will never vote for a black guy or even a black backed candidate unless they have to. They voted for Hillary over Obama and for Bernie over Hillary.

    2. The first two states are all white. The southern blacks only voted for Obama after the white voters in Iowa gave them permission to do so. IA and NH primary voters will not be doing that for Booker so southern black Dems will vote for the Best Available White. Booker's performance amongst black primary voters will likely be so bad he won't even end up as the VP candidate.

  125. @Jefferson
    "Hispanic men don’t kiss Black ass,"

    They kissed Barack Hussein Obama's Black ass and they will kiss Cory Booker's Black ass in 2020.

    They may not vote for Trump but I promise you this..They will not kiss the ass of a black/woman.

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  126. @Alden
    German descent communist father, Italian descent communist mother. Dad was a drunken wife and child beater. So de blasio changed his name to his mother's as soon as he was legally an adult.

    Parents met at a commie activist group and worked at communist front groups all their lives

    “Dad was a drunken wife…”? Talk about a dysfunctional family!

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  127. @Gringo

    Find someone [a Palestinian] who is smart, articulate, and attractive.

    Good luck with that.
     
    Not difficult at all. In the 1960s and 1970s my father had dealings with a Palestinian Christian family that had a lot of members with postgraduate STEM degrees. There was a reason why they were in the US.

    The patriarch, who before the Six Day War worked in Jordan's civil service for the West Bank, told his children to get out of the West Bank. From his experience as a civil servant, he informed his children, he concluded that Muslims would always favor promoting a Muslim over a Christian.

    A grandson of the patriarch got his BS in the Middle East and his graduate STEM degrees in the US. While he was able to work in his profession in the US, the amount of time he devoted to political activism caused him to lose his jobs. One irony about his anti-Israel activism is that a cousin of his on the other side of his family has given ample testimony about Muslim harassment/violence/robbery against Christians in the West Bank. Which mirrors what the patriarch said over 50 years ago- but which his grandson conveniently forgot while protesting Israel.

    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    There were 35,000 Christians in Israel in 1950 and there are 165,000 today. Other than occidental expats living in the Gulf emirates, they make up the most affluent Christian population in the region. They're not living in the middle of an endless civil war, they're not in danger from Islamist paramilitaries, they're not in danger from mob violence, and they've been neither the targets nor the participants in any sort of sectarian war (all of which puts them in a more agreeable situation than the Christians of Syria, Syria and Iraq, Egypt, and Lebanon). They have full citizenship if they're native to the territory inside the 1949 armistice lines and can apply for it if they're native to east Jerusalem. They seem to be doing all right.
    , @Gringo
    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.

    Given that Israel has has treated Palestinian Christians fairly well, it is ironic that this Palestinian Christian of the West Bank- from the Bethlehem area- screams at the Joos and makes no complaint about the Muslims- who have definitely not treated West Bank Christians very well. BTW, I have come across some scuttlebutt that claims that one of his children living in the US -no dummy to stay in the US - has a Jewish significant other.
  128. @Alden
    German descent communist father, Italian descent communist mother. Dad was a drunken wife and child beater. So de blasio changed his name to his mother's as soon as he was legally an adult.

    Parents met at a commie activist group and worked at communist front groups all their lives

    And just think that if we had the 1924 Immigration Act in place around 1890 how much scum would NOT be in power let alone in this nation to begin with.

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  129. @Alden
    Asians vote overwhelmingly democrat.

    Most of the weeping and wailing and caterwauling about Asians losing out to blacks and Hispanics comes from Whites hoping that Asians might come over to our side. They won't.

    So their kids have to to UCLA instead of Stanford or University of Illinois aeronautical and astronautical program instead of MIT, or Johns Hopkins instead of Harvard. BFD

    They still get all the affirmative action goodies in hiring, subsidies for their businesses etc. Plus they have the added advantage of their networks which they will never give up for equal competition.

    I still support an end to Affirmative Action, mostly because I know its end will spell the Oriental overrunning of Harvard just like what happened to Berkeley, and I love watching SJW goodies ruined. The only thing more satisfying is to hear a SJW moan about “Yellow Peril,” but of course the minute a white liberal becomes lucid on race, he’s no longer a liberal.

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  130. @Jefferson
    "blacks are not actually liberals."

    They are not Burning Man Portlandia SWPL liberals, but they are ghetto hood liberals. Liberalism has many branches, not just 1. Liberalism is not limited to just SWPLism.

    I find their obsession with their in-group and their clamor to help their co-ethics violates the tenets of most modern liberals. How is it that you find blacks to be liberals other than that they want me gimmedats? To me, it seems as though they want more for themselves.

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  131. @Alden
    Asians vote overwhelmingly democrat.

    Most of the weeping and wailing and caterwauling about Asians losing out to blacks and Hispanics comes from Whites hoping that Asians might come over to our side. They won't.

    So their kids have to to UCLA instead of Stanford or University of Illinois aeronautical and astronautical program instead of MIT, or Johns Hopkins instead of Harvard. BFD

    They still get all the affirmative action goodies in hiring, subsidies for their businesses etc. Plus they have the added advantage of their networks which they will never give up for equal competition.

    Asian do not get affirmative action. That is utter nonsense. Their income level given their education is rather low in the United States.

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  132. @Flip
    O/T, but in today's NYT there's an article on Jewish cuisine in Berlin and the writer makes a comment about "when the Soviets liberated the city in 1945." Is that really the right word? Paris was liberated; I think Berlin was conquered.

    … have The Allies been de-existed ? …

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  133. @Alden
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.

    Yes indeed and the P word must never be mentioned …

    (Productivity ~ that alien, elitist, deplorably North European concept ).

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  134. @Desiderius
    Road to Perdition was pretty bad ass.

    I don’t mean “bad ass” I mean “nasty.” Like a really verbally aggressive, insulting type of guy. The Road to Perdition guy was still Hanksian: loving and protective father, husband, and family man, loyal to his boss, small-town America. He just happened to make his living as a bootlegging enforcer.

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  135. @Buffalo Joe
    Sarge, I don't think she "used to be a lesbian." I think she still is but wanted to have children in the traditional manner. Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio's sexual orientation.

    De Blasio clearly overdosed on white guilt back in the day and has tried various overcompensation: worshiping communist murderers and marrying an ugly black woman while working for the NYC’s first (and, as expected, incompetent) black mayor.

    De Blasio is a case study in what happened to white men in post-1960America who grew up without a father. The culture created a massive self-hatred in him.

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  136. @Jefferson
    "And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter."

    I read that Rosie O'Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her. At least Donald J. Trump's kids love him.

    I read that Rosie O’Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her.

    They’re not “her kids.” She adopted them as soon as they allowed lesbians to adopt to “prove” that lesbians were just as good at being parents as straights. And, of course, she is a great example of how they don’t.

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  137. @Art Deco
    It didn't 'permanently alienate' Southern whites. The Democratic Party's advantage among generic Southerners began to erode as early as 1952 (and cracks in the edifice could be detected as early as 1928). It looked for a time in the 1970s as if temporizers like Jimmy Carter and William Waller would keep the South in the Democratic column. It wasn't until 1994 that Southern congressional delegations were sorted into piles along ideological and programmatic lines (with standard-issue Republicans facing black Democrats and vaguely-liberal white Democrats). It wasn't until the last 7 years that the congressional delegations of the Southern states and the Southern regions of mixed states were almost bereft of white Democrats. (You see white Democrats from the Philadelphia - NoVa corridor and from peninsular Florida, but these areas are not Southern; there have in recent years been only 6 white Democrats from the South properly understood). The electoral shifts have been too gradual and incorporated components too recent to be attributable to Johnson Administration legislation.

    Stop using nuance! All white southerners are Nazis who wanted to murder all blacks and the 1964 Civil Rights act made them all show their true colors! Redlining! Slavery! Jim Crow! Black Lives Matter!

    Sorry, I was channeling Tiny Duck and Tennessee Coates there.

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  138. Blacks are happy to leave private sector jobs to Hispanics and prefer government jobs instead. So, boosting jobs in the private sector while reducing the size of government is a defeat for blacks. Blacks just don’t do well in the free market.

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  139. @Johann Ricke

    The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.
     
    Propensity? Without AA set-asides, just how many black civil servants would there be? Note that among NYC's firefighters, blacks were a minuscule number of that workforce, because they tended to score fairly low. What Judge Garaufis did seems to have been to insist that NYC adopt the same hiring rules as the Federal government for civil service jobs - hire some percentage of top-scoring blacks to fill a percentage quota regardless of their qualifications rather than just hire the top scoring candidates for office. Without these quotas, the civil service would be mostly non-black.

    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one’s default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well, unless public employment systematically draws on skill sets that were less common or more common among blacks. I suppose there might be literature in industrial psychology on that question.

    Ethnic groups, assessed collectively, tend to pool in certain types of employment. People here are obsessed with Jews. Jews tend to be found in employment that incorporates verbalization and negotiation (law, agency, distributional enterprises where price arbitrage is important, electoral politics). Blacks tend to be found in lines of work where personal service and/or carrying things is important (barbers, nurse’s aides, porters, postal workers, and, back in the day, domestic service). I don’t think it’s all that suspicious that 22% of all postal workers are black or 16.7% of those employed in general public administration are black. Without a doubt, preference schemes will explain a fat chunk of that, but that sort of pooling is something you might see without preference schemes. IIRC, about 1/3 of the barbers in the United States are black. I don’t think AA explains that.

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    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one’s default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well,
     
    That would indeed be the default assumption. And violating it such that blacks were a substantially greater portion of the public employees would be good evidence for the points others are making. Let's take a look at some numbers:
    http://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/
    http://buchanan.org/blog/black-america-vs-obama-4797
    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/

    The DOL link seems likely to be relatively unbiased. Let's see what they say:


    Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and nearly as likely as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.6 Few Blacks are self-employed — only 3.8 percent reported being self-employed in 2011 — making them almost half as likely to be self-employed as Whites (7.2 percent).
     
    Seems like a clear case of overrepresentation to me.

    Also note some of the specific cases in Pat Buchanan's article:


    Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.
    ...
    44 percent of Fannie employees and 50 percent of Freddie’s were persons of color.
     
    P.S. Why no mention of the military in this conversation? https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
    30.7% of active duty enlisted women are black.
  140. @Art Deco
    At any one time, about 15% of the black population is quite troubled and troublesome; these are the people collecting TANF and collecting disability and unemployment benefits at abnomral levels. You keep mistaking that set for the whole. The vast majority of blacks are ordinary wage earners. Blacks are more likely to work in public administration and postal services than are others, but the difference in propensity translates to about 400,000 extra public sector workers in a black workforce of 18 million.

    Impecunious wage earners are eligible for SNAP and Section 8, but people who are notionally eligible commonly do not apply for these programs and housing subsidies are extended (via lottery) only to a modest minority of the notionally eligible. The total expenditure per notionally eligible household on SNAP, housing subsidies, and utility subsidies amounts to about $4,000 per year. Of course, those who apply get the benefits (which are more lucrative than that figure), but on the whole, that class in society (about 30% of the population, some of them elderly) are not livin' large on these sorts of public subsidies.

    As for Medicaid, it's made use of by every class in society. Among the affluent, it's tapped when you have eldercare disasters. Among the impecunious, it's tapped when you're in small-scale wage employment which lacks insurance benefits. About 19% of all those receiving Medicaid benefits for medical care (as opposed to l/t care) are black, v. 13% of the population as a whole. The excess amounts to about 750,000 individuals in a black populaiton of 40,000,000

    Then you have to ask yourself how the benefit stream is likely to differ under a Republican administration. The answer is, 'only marginally'.

    Sorry for the error. Excess participation in Medicaid among blacks accounts for 4,000,000 beneficiaries, not 750,000.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    So roughly 10% of the black population is on Medicaid. The national average Medicaid income limit is 138% of the federal poverty level or about $26k for a family of 3. The median house of income of blacks is about $36k. So there must be a lot more blacks that are qualified for Medicaid and don't obtain it.
  141. The problem with Democrats running communist, white-hating candidates is that eventually one will win.

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  142. @Alden
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.

    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Again, there are 18 million employed blacks. Blacks employed in ‘public administration’ number 1.145 million, those in general social assistance (e.g. childcare workers) number about 660,000, about 2.9 million or so work in health care (about evenly split between employment in medical services and employment in long-term care services), about 1.5 million work for educational institutions; about 100,000 work for law firms and counsel’s offices; about 140,000 work for public utilities, about 140,000 are postal workers, about 150,000 work for bus and transit services, about 30,000 work for the railways; and about 30,000 work in data processing, archives, and libraries; and about 230,000 are in the military. That’s about 39% of the black working population, of whom roughly half would be public employees. Some of them benefited from AA, some of them did not. I’m not sure how nurse’s aides qualify as ‘poverty pimps’.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    He's just ranting & raving about his hatred of blacks with little in the way of facts. Maybe he thought this was Anren or Stormfront.
    , @Brutusale
    Don't forget the 1 million blacks in jail. They're supporting the prison economy.
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    If the Democrats keep running Communists and white-haters, they will lose. But unfortunately not forever.

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  144. @Alden
    Asians vote overwhelmingly democrat.

    Most of the weeping and wailing and caterwauling about Asians losing out to blacks and Hispanics comes from Whites hoping that Asians might come over to our side. They won't.

    So their kids have to to UCLA instead of Stanford or University of Illinois aeronautical and astronautical program instead of MIT, or Johns Hopkins instead of Harvard. BFD

    They still get all the affirmative action goodies in hiring, subsidies for their businesses etc. Plus they have the added advantage of their networks which they will never give up for equal competition.

    Asians were actually a solid Republican bloc until the Obama era. And at least in my experience, most of the affirmative action scholarships, etc. specifically excluded Asians. I can’t remember one that benefitted me, at any rate.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Too many Asians have bought into the idea that being a liberal Democrat is fashionable.
  145. @Dan Hayes
    Art Deco:

    I have my problems with Rangel, but there is one thing I will give him credit for: that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.

    that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.

    There is no such thing as a ‘neoconservative war’ and the military’s manpower requirements are met satisfactorily with a volunteer force. Military professionals want no draft and the only period of time in American history when conscription was in force absent a general mobilization or a state of affairs resembling a general mobilization was between 1954 and 1973. Even during that period, those enlisting outnumbered conscripts by a considerable margin.

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    Art Deco:

    The utility of a volunteer army is not in question. What is in question is the utility of a draft to prevent useless and counterproductive neoconservative wars (and yes, there such things as neoconservative wars!).

    When I was in graduate school there was a very left wing Frenchman who was returning to France to perform his required army service. His self-described motivation for return was to keep the French fascists warmongers at bay. At the time I thought his motivation was wrong. As matters turned out, I was the one who was wrong.

    I guarantee you if there were a draft in place the prospects for another neoconservative war would be nil or less.
  146. @snorlax
    The answer to your rhetorical question, and others asked ITT, such as

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, [shouldn't] both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) have a constituency among blacks[?]
     
    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Who is ‘reigning’? How does a city bus driver in St. Louis ‘reign’ when the Clintons are in the White House and Jay Nixon’s in the state house?

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  147. @Daniel Chieh
    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    “Would” or “will”?

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  148. A big question that doesn’t get asked often is how much do Hispanics and Asian-Americans really want to be led by the Black Left?

    For cryin’ out loud, Steve, give it up, it’s tired.

    I think it was taking a nap when you first started with it 8 years ago.

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  149. @syonredux
    You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring.....

    I believe the word you are searching for in this case is “tiresome.”

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    I believe the word you are searching for in this case is “tiresome.”
     
    Both, I should think. Kissing Black ass is both tiring and tiresome. After all, Asian and Hispanic SJWs have to kiss a lot of it....

    tiring
    ADJECTIVE

    Causing one to need rest or sleep; fatiguing.
    ‘it had been a tiring day’
     
    Definition of tiresome in English:

    tiresome
    ADJECTIVE

    Causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
    ‘weeding is a tiresome but essential job’
     
  150. @whorefinder
    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn't oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn't be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and "black leaders" so they wouldn't agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

    …And made a lot more money than you.

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  151. @Jefferson
    "And she’ll have to get nasty to win, which will turn off a lot of people to her and her brand. (The only time Oprah got nasty was when that lefty-tard pulled a fast one on her and made up his entire drug-addled biography to get on her show.) Remember, Rosie O’Donnell got nasty after being known as “The Queen of Nice” and went from having a huge-hit talk show to being just another howling screecher monkey on The View, and now a deranged lunatic on Twiiter."

    I read that Rosie O'Donnell is personally such an unlikable Human Being that even her own kids hate her. At least Donald J. Trump's kids love him.

    At least Donald J. Trump’s kids love him.

    …His four sons sing his praises all the time…

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  152. @Jefferson
    "Trying to be nice here, but Charlane is a very unattractive woman, so that raises questions for me about De Blasio’s sexual orientation."

    I think Ted Danson is a closet Homosexual for having dated Whoopi Goldberg in the 1990s.

    You question a man’s sexuality because he has sex with a woman you don’t find attractive?

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  153. @Art Deco
    Sorry for the error. Excess participation in Medicaid among blacks accounts for 4,000,000 beneficiaries, not 750,000.

    So roughly 10% of the black population is on Medicaid. The national average Medicaid income limit is 138% of the federal poverty level or about $26k for a family of 3. The median house of income of blacks is about $36k. So there must be a lot more blacks that are qualified for Medicaid and don’t obtain it.

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    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I'm sorry, I did not make that clear. My discussion was of the excess black population on Medicaid derived from participation at rates exceeding the non-black population. The excess is 4,000,000. The total black population on Medicaid is 11.5 million, or about 19% of the population on Medicaid. Somewhat north of 25% of the black population is signed up for Medicaid. Part of that is that an abnormally large share of working-aged blacks seem to have checked-out. Another part of that is heavy participation in sectors (home health care, retail trade) which rely on contracting, part time labor, &c.
  154. @Steve Sailer
    Well, there you go, what kind of heterosexual man would like Mary Steenburgen?

    Well that’s a dude, so, technically, none.

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    Well that’s a dude, so, technically, none.
     
    Mary Steenburgen? Dear boy, you need help.....
  155. @Art Deco
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Again, there are 18 million employed blacks. Blacks employed in 'public administration' number 1.145 million, those in general social assistance (e.g. childcare workers) number about 660,000, about 2.9 million or so work in health care (about evenly split between employment in medical services and employment in long-term care services), about 1.5 million work for educational institutions; about 100,000 work for law firms and counsel's offices; about 140,000 work for public utilities, about 140,000 are postal workers, about 150,000 work for bus and transit services, about 30,000 work for the railways; and about 30,000 work in data processing, archives, and libraries; and about 230,000 are in the military. That's about 39% of the black working population, of whom roughly half would be public employees. Some of them benefited from AA, some of them did not. I'm not sure how nurse's aides qualify as 'poverty pimps'.

    He’s just ranting & raving about his hatred of blacks with little in the way of facts. Maybe he thought this was Anren or Stormfront.

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  156. @Alden
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.

    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.

    Yeah, except you have to show up in the morning, hang out at an office all day and like, do stuff…

    Oh wait, that’s what a job is.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You can explicitly use jobs as welfare, though. Consider WPA - if you're paying people to pick up trash, for example, when there's no real market demand for it, you're essentially giving welfare.

    At any rate, there has been the infamous case of true "affirmative action hires" which keeps cropping up. Its essentially, if you want to think about it, a case of corruption. As a large company, you can choose to hire someone with the correct special interest groups even if he doesn't do any work, so you save yourself a lot of legal trouble and comply with a mandate. In some other countries, you might hire the cousin of a politician for the same purposes.

    In both cases, your hiree is doing nothing or very little.

  157. @Steve Sailer
    In the 1968 election, among Southern whites, Wallace took the small town white vote who wanted to keep Jim Crow going, Humphrey took the highland whites where there weren't many blacks around and union stuff was most important, and Nixon got the suburban whites who wanted to put Jim Crow behind them and just be a normal part of the modern U.S.

    I’m sure that is right, but the MSM still insists Nixon was elected by a ” Southern Strategy” of appealing to Old South segregationists. Ignoring the fact Wallace won 5 states and 13.5 percent of the total vote. They also bring up the 1972 election, seemingly unaware that Wallace was back in the Democrat fold before nearly being assassinated, and Dems nominated McGovern

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  158. @snorlax
    The answer to your rhetorical question, and others asked ITT, such as

    Considering matters from the perspective of the material interests of wage-earning blacks, [shouldn't] both Rudolph Giuliani (who had real accomplishments in improving the quality of life in New York’s black neighborhoods) and Trump (who put the immigration issue on the table) have a constituency among blacks[?]
     
    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

    Are you serious? The blacks don’t rule the Democratic party. It’s the Jews’ party. They contribute most of the money, the contribute virtually all the intellectuals and they set the policy direction. Heck this was mostly true even back when I was a kid and the ethnic Catholics and southerners were still their vote banks.

    No the blacks are field hands. They get some real benefits out of the deal–government employment, welfare and the right to slap around whitey. That’s not nothing. But the core policies–mass immigration (how great is the Mexican influx for blacks?), financialization, the super-state–how great are those for blacks? Exactly.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It’s the Jews’ party. They contribute most of the money, the contribute virtually all the intellectuals and they set the policy direction.

    About 10% of Barack Obama's quondam cabinet secretaries are Jews. The Los Angeles Times has been for eight years sitting on videotapes of BO's public tribute to Rashid Khalidi for a reason. Hint: it's not because BO's remarks would raise his stature with interested voters (who remain, unlike Unz contributors, fairly congenial toward Israel). As for the Congressional caucus, the only Jewish floor leader on either side of the aisle in the last 75 years has been Charles Schumer, who has had all of 4 months to work his sneaky Jew magic. Jews in the Democratic Party occupying governor's chairs number somewhere around zero. Be sure to write Strobe Talbott of the Brookings Institution and tell him he doesn't have any gentile employees.
  159. @Truth



    Affirmative action jobs are just better paid welfare.
     
    Yeah, except you have to show up in the morning, hang out at an office all day and like, do stuff...

    Oh wait, that's what a job is.

    You can explicitly use jobs as welfare, though. Consider WPA – if you’re paying people to pick up trash, for example, when there’s no real market demand for it, you’re essentially giving welfare.

    At any rate, there has been the infamous case of true “affirmative action hires” which keeps cropping up. Its essentially, if you want to think about it, a case of corruption. As a large company, you can choose to hire someone with the correct special interest groups even if he doesn’t do any work, so you save yourself a lot of legal trouble and comply with a mandate. In some other countries, you might hire the cousin of a politician for the same purposes.

    In both cases, your hiree is doing nothing or very little.

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  160. @Olorin
    Even with his BLM superhero comic book cancelled?

    He needs inspiration, clearly, inside Hell he will find it.

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  161. @Anon7
    Black people are constantly being urged to lead, even from the shadows. In the movie version of The Circle, one of the three founders of this world-shaking company is (of course) black. At the end of the film, only he can save the day (and the lovely Emma Watson) by completely outmaneuvering the evil and manipulative (and white male, if that wasn't obvious) other two founders.

    Wheezy Coats may have lost his comic book, but the narcissistic need for white filmmakers to push the achievements of fictional blacks higher and higher seems to only get worse. I don't doubt that there are plenty of white democrats whose perverse wish to shower infinite blessings upon blacks will cause them to support the next Barack.

    All of this attention from filmmakers, implying that blacks are always the superior leaders, must be intensely frustrating to blacks.

    A lot of black charter schools have the word “leadership” in the school’s name. Former basketball player Jalen Rose has a 99% black Detroit charter high school called the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy. The school’s ACT average is 15.6 and less than 5% of the students are college-ready.

    Several black charter schools refer to their students as “scholars”.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    Triumph, I hope you see or have seen this it speaks to what you post here regularly.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/05/solving-the-mystery-of-underachievement/526170/
    , @Ed
    I looked up the school on Michigan's Education Data website. For the 2015-16 school year, 90 students at the school took the SAT. The combined mean score was 861 and 7 students met college readiness benchmarks.

    Yet 45 or 50% enrolled at 4 year schools, including 7 at Michigan St, 6 at Central Michigan and 2 at UMich.
  162. @Alden
    Why do blacks who make too much money to qualify for section 8, food stamps etc still vote democrat?

    Because 90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government or poverty pimp NGO jobs. Without affirmative action most would be in welfare. Although their government jobs are a more expensive form of welfare.

    ArtDeco (above) gave some actual facts, rather than making up a number like “90 percent”.

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  163. @syonredux
    You gotta feel for Asian and Hispanic SJWs. Kissing all that Black ass must get tiring.....

    they’ll get tired of the aftertaste pretty quick.

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  164. @Bro Methylene
    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.

    There were 35,000 Christians in Israel in 1950 and there are 165,000 today. Other than occidental expats living in the Gulf emirates, they make up the most affluent Christian population in the region. They’re not living in the middle of an endless civil war, they’re not in danger from Islamist paramilitaries, they’re not in danger from mob violence, and they’ve been neither the targets nor the participants in any sort of sectarian war (all of which puts them in a more agreeable situation than the Christians of Syria, Syria and Iraq, Egypt, and Lebanon). They have full citizenship if they’re native to the territory inside the 1949 armistice lines and can apply for it if they’re native to east Jerusalem. They seem to be doing all right.

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    • Replies: @Gringo
    There were 35,000 Christians in Israel in 1950 and there are 165,000 today... They seem to be doing all right.

    Doing all right within Israel proper. In the Muslim-controlled West Bank, not so well.
  165. @Jefferson
    "If Gavin Newsom is the Democrat candidate, I hope we hear a lot of that interview Adam Carolla did with him. It was hilarious."

    Unless Gavin Newsom says he likes to have sex with men and or he starts self identifying as a woman, he won't be the face of The Democratic Party in 2020. Heterosexual cis White men in The Democratic Party are finished and relegated to the back of the bus. This is Cory Booker's time. He is the chosen one.

    Gavin Newsom is (or at least acts) very straight.

    He has dated numerous women, stolen the wife of his closest aide, married twice, fathered four kids, and famously dated a teenager while mayor of SF.

    (Among the alt-right that last one might be cause for respect but in today’s Dem party “I’m twice your age” is only a winning line if it’s the woman saying it.)

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  166. @Art Deco
    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one's default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well, unless public employment systematically draws on skill sets that were less common or more common among blacks. I suppose there might be literature in industrial psychology on that question.

    Ethnic groups, assessed collectively, tend to pool in certain types of employment. People here are obsessed with Jews. Jews tend to be found in employment that incorporates verbalization and negotiation (law, agency, distributional enterprises where price arbitrage is important, electoral politics). Blacks tend to be found in lines of work where personal service and/or carrying things is important (barbers, nurse's aides, porters, postal workers, and, back in the day, domestic service). I don't think it's all that suspicious that 22% of all postal workers are black or 16.7% of those employed in general public administration are black. Without a doubt, preference schemes will explain a fat chunk of that, but that sort of pooling is something you might see without preference schemes. IIRC, about 1/3 of the barbers in the United States are black. I don't think AA explains that.

    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one’s default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well,

    That would indeed be the default assumption. And violating it such that blacks were a substantially greater portion of the public employees would be good evidence for the points others are making. Let’s take a look at some numbers:

    http://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/

    http://buchanan.org/blog/black-america-vs-obama-4797

    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/

    The DOL link seems likely to be relatively unbiased. Let’s see what they say:

    Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and nearly as likely as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.6 Few Blacks are self-employed — only 3.8 percent reported being self-employed in 2011 — making them almost half as likely to be self-employed as Whites (7.2 percent).

    Seems like a clear case of overrepresentation to me.

    Also note some of the specific cases in Pat Buchanan’s article:

    Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.

    44 percent of Fannie employees and 50 percent of Freddie’s were persons of color.

    P.S. Why no mention of the military in this conversation? https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
    30.7% of active duty enlisted women are black.

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    My numbers were provided the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Women are a modest minority of the soldier population. About 17% of those in uniform are black. The notable segments of the public sector workforce where the black proportion exceeds 17% are postal workers (22%) and transit service employees (30%). People who work in social services and long-term care are disproportionately black, but employment outside of public agencies is common if not modal in that sector.
  167. @whorefinder
    Within 5 years the NY Times will be talking about the "tragedy" of the end of the Soviet Union.

    At this rate, the NYT will talk also of the “tragedy” of the deaths of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

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  168. @AnotherDad

    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
     
    Are you serious? The blacks don't rule the Democratic party. It's the Jews' party. They contribute most of the money, the contribute virtually all the intellectuals and they set the policy direction. Heck this was mostly true even back when I was a kid and the ethnic Catholics and southerners were still their vote banks.

    No the blacks are field hands. They get some real benefits out of the deal--government employment, welfare and the right to slap around whitey. That's not nothing. But the core policies--mass immigration (how great is the Mexican influx for blacks?), financialization, the super-state--how great are those for blacks? Exactly.

    It’s the Jews’ party. They contribute most of the money, the contribute virtually all the intellectuals and they set the policy direction.

    About 10% of Barack Obama’s quondam cabinet secretaries are Jews. The Los Angeles Times has been for eight years sitting on videotapes of BO’s public tribute to Rashid Khalidi for a reason. Hint: it’s not because BO’s remarks would raise his stature with interested voters (who remain, unlike Unz contributors, fairly congenial toward Israel). As for the Congressional caucus, the only Jewish floor leader on either side of the aisle in the last 75 years has been Charles Schumer, who has had all of 4 months to work his sneaky Jew magic. Jews in the Democratic Party occupying governor’s chairs number somewhere around zero. Be sure to write Strobe Talbott of the Brookings Institution and tell him he doesn’t have any gentile employees.

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  169. @res

    Again, about 11% of the working population is black, so one’s default expectation would be that about the same share of public employees would be black as well,
     
    That would indeed be the default assumption. And violating it such that blacks were a substantially greater portion of the public employees would be good evidence for the points others are making. Let's take a look at some numbers:
    http://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/
    http://buchanan.org/blog/black-america-vs-obama-4797
    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/

    The DOL link seems likely to be relatively unbiased. Let's see what they say:


    Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and nearly as likely as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.6 Few Blacks are self-employed — only 3.8 percent reported being self-employed in 2011 — making them almost half as likely to be self-employed as Whites (7.2 percent).
     
    Seems like a clear case of overrepresentation to me.

    Also note some of the specific cases in Pat Buchanan's article:


    Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.
    ...
    44 percent of Fannie employees and 50 percent of Freddie’s were persons of color.
     
    P.S. Why no mention of the military in this conversation? https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
    30.7% of active duty enlisted women are black.

    My numbers were provided the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Women are a modest minority of the soldier population. About 17% of those in uniform are black. The notable segments of the public sector workforce where the black proportion exceeds 17% are postal workers (22%) and transit service employees (30%). People who work in social services and long-term care are disproportionately black, but employment outside of public agencies is common if not modal in that sector.

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    No reply to my Department of Labor or Buchanan comments? It is extremely unconvincing when you attack a detail in my PS and ignore my primary points.
  170. @Art Deco
    that there would be no latter-day neoconservative wars if there were a draft.

    There is no such thing as a 'neoconservative war' and the military's manpower requirements are met satisfactorily with a volunteer force. Military professionals want no draft and the only period of time in American history when conscription was in force absent a general mobilization or a state of affairs resembling a general mobilization was between 1954 and 1973. Even during that period, those enlisting outnumbered conscripts by a considerable margin.

    Art Deco:

    The utility of a volunteer army is not in question. What is in question is the utility of a draft to prevent useless and counterproductive neoconservative wars (and yes, there such things as neoconservative wars!).

    When I was in graduate school there was a very left wing Frenchman who was returning to France to perform his required army service. His self-described motivation for return was to keep the French fascists warmongers at bay. At the time I thought his motivation was wrong. As matters turned out, I was the one who was wrong.

    I guarantee you if there were a draft in place the prospects for another neoconservative war would be nil or less.

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  171. @Art Deco
    My numbers were provided the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Women are a modest minority of the soldier population. About 17% of those in uniform are black. The notable segments of the public sector workforce where the black proportion exceeds 17% are postal workers (22%) and transit service employees (30%). People who work in social services and long-term care are disproportionately black, but employment outside of public agencies is common if not modal in that sector.

    No reply to my Department of Labor or Buchanan comments? It is extremely unconvincing when you attack a detail in my PS and ignore my primary points.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The BLS data are industry specific and specific to occupation. As far as I'm aware, their regular data reports are not sorting people into categories of 'public sector' and 'private sector' per se, though they may issue occasional report on that subject. However, one of their industrial classifications is 'public administration', which incorporates about 1/3 of all public sector employees. One subcategory is 'postal services', which is public sector by definition. Educational services are predominantly public sector (and not disproportionately black). Industrial subcategories with the largest black segment are as follows:

    34.6 %: Barber shops
    30.4 %: Bus service and urban transit
    30.2 %: Home health care services
    28.5 %: Nursing care facilities (skilled nursing facilities)
    26.6 %: Taxi and limousine service
    26.3 %: Couriers and messengers
    26.1 %: Residential care facilities, except skilled nursing facilities
    25.3 %: Animal slaughtering and processing
    24.8 %: Investigation and security services
    24.3 %: Warehousing and storage
    23.2 %: Employment services
    22.2 %: Administration of human resource programs
    22.1 %: Postal Service
    21.3 %: Automotive equipment rental and leasing
    21.2 %: Individual and family services
    19.5 %: Department stores and discount stores
    18.8 %: Business support services
    18.8 %: Community food and housing, and emergency services
    18.7 %: Child day care services
    18.6 %: Ship and boat building
    18.5 %: Other general government and support
    18.3 %: National security and international affairs
    17.6 %: Other health care services
    17.5 %: Not specified retail trade
    17.4 %: Seafood and other miscellaneous foods, n.e.c.
    17.1 %: Administration of economic programs and space research

    Predominantly public sector would be

    Bus service
    Investigation and Security Services
    Administration of human resource programs (under 'public administration)
    Postal services
    Individual family services
    Community food and housing (?)
    Other general government
    Administration of economic programs and space research.


    About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce.
  172. @Jefferson
    "Cory Booker can’t make it through the Dem primaries. I don’t understand why people can’t see this."

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole. That is why Cory Booker will win the Democratic primaries, because he has the racial demographics on his side.

    He won’t win. He wasn’t that popular in Newark or NJ. The novelty of a black president is over. He won’t be able to get the younger blacks in sufficient numbers.

    Finally and most importantly he’s pushing 50 with no black wife or kids. Rumor is he gay, which would garner media hoopla but wouldn’t do much for him with blacks. Another rumor is that he’s straight but likes white women. Like a young Obama he realizes this is politically damaging & has avoided going public.

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  173. @Truth
    Well that's a dude, so, technically, none.

    Well that’s a dude, so, technically, none.

    Mary Steenburgen? Dear boy, you need help…..

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  174. @Triumph104
    A lot of black charter schools have the word "leadership" in the school's name. Former basketball player Jalen Rose has a 99% black Detroit charter high school called the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy. The school's ACT average is 15.6 and less than 5% of the students are college-ready.

    Several black charter schools refer to their students as "scholars".

    Triumph, I hope you see or have seen this it speaks to what you post here regularly.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/05/solving-the-mystery-of-underachievement/526170/

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    Thanks for that. What do you think of this progression?

    From the fourth grade, when Travis was a student in my classroom at Emery, to the seventh grade, two years into his schooling at Hyde, his test scores plummeted from the middle-range of national averages (the 53rd and 41st percentiles in reading and math) to the bottom end of the scale (27th and 10th percentiles, respectively). Travis wasn’t getting “dumber” as a matter of cognitive aptitude. He was mastering progressively fewer concepts in school than his potential would have predicted. Not surprisingly, by the 11th grade, his scores on the SAT fell in the bottom fifth percentile nationally.
     
  175. @Truth
    I believe the word you are searching for in this case is "tiresome."

    I believe the word you are searching for in this case is “tiresome.”

    Both, I should think. Kissing Black ass is both tiring and tiresome. After all, Asian and Hispanic SJWs have to kiss a lot of it….

    tiring
    ADJECTIVE

    Causing one to need rest or sleep; fatiguing.
    ‘it had been a tiring day’

    Definition of tiresome in English:

    tiresome
    ADJECTIVE

    Causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
    ‘weeding is a tiresome but essential job’

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  176. @Ed
    Triumph, I hope you see or have seen this it speaks to what you post here regularly.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/05/solving-the-mystery-of-underachievement/526170/

    Thanks for that. What do you think of this progression?

    From the fourth grade, when Travis was a student in my classroom at Emery, to the seventh grade, two years into his schooling at Hyde, his test scores plummeted from the middle-range of national averages (the 53rd and 41st percentiles in reading and math) to the bottom end of the scale (27th and 10th percentiles, respectively). Travis wasn’t getting “dumber” as a matter of cognitive aptitude. He was mastering progressively fewer concepts in school than his potential would have predicted. Not surprisingly, by the 11th grade, his scores on the SAT fell in the bottom fifth percentile nationally.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    As black boys get older the anti-intellectualism of the culture begins to take hold. Also if they haven't mastered good study habits they'll simply fall behind.

    That's my thinking. Schooling really needs to become non-compulsory. Let kids drop out in 6th grade or something. Stop with the pretenses.
    , @anon
    It's low Conscientiousness (in the Big 5 sense) plain and simple. Elementary is before puberty and they're still young enough that teachers' approval is a motivator.

    And there's less work/homework-- can skate by on middling IQ being a big fish in a small pond. Truancy (or skipping class in college) isn't an issue.

    Military might've been a good fit-- all the structure/lack of choice can cover up those other self-regulation deficits. That's kind of what he has doing the menial jobs. Seems he can maintain job performance fine; just can't force himself (or even want) to study/succeed in school.
  177. @Jefferson
    "Cory Booker can’t make it through the Dem primaries. I don’t understand why people can’t see this."

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole. That is why Cory Booker will win the Democratic primaries, because he has the racial demographics on his side.

    The racial demographics of Dem primary voters is significantly Blacker, Browner, and more Oriental than The U.S as a whole

    1. Latinos, Asians and Muslims will never vote for a black guy or even a black backed candidate unless they have to. They voted for Hillary over Obama and for Bernie over Hillary.

    2. The first two states are all white. The southern blacks only voted for Obama after the white voters in Iowa gave them permission to do so. IA and NH primary voters will not be doing that for Booker so southern black Dems will vote for the Best Available White. Booker’s performance amongst black primary voters will likely be so bad he won’t even end up as the VP candidate.

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  178. @res
    No reply to my Department of Labor or Buchanan comments? It is extremely unconvincing when you attack a detail in my PS and ignore my primary points.

    The BLS data are industry specific and specific to occupation. As far as I’m aware, their regular data reports are not sorting people into categories of ‘public sector’ and ‘private sector’ per se, though they may issue occasional report on that subject. However, one of their industrial classifications is ‘public administration’, which incorporates about 1/3 of all public sector employees. One subcategory is ‘postal services’, which is public sector by definition. Educational services are predominantly public sector (and not disproportionately black). Industrial subcategories with the largest black segment are as follows:

    34.6 %: Barber shops
    30.4 %: Bus service and urban transit
    30.2 %: Home health care services
    28.5 %: Nursing care facilities (skilled nursing facilities)
    26.6 %: Taxi and limousine service
    26.3 %: Couriers and messengers
    26.1 %: Residential care facilities, except skilled nursing facilities
    25.3 %: Animal slaughtering and processing
    24.8 %: Investigation and security services
    24.3 %: Warehousing and storage
    23.2 %: Employment services
    22.2 %: Administration of human resource programs
    22.1 %: Postal Service
    21.3 %: Automotive equipment rental and leasing
    21.2 %: Individual and family services
    19.5 %: Department stores and discount stores
    18.8 %: Business support services
    18.8 %: Community food and housing, and emergency services
    18.7 %: Child day care services
    18.6 %: Ship and boat building
    18.5 %: Other general government and support
    18.3 %: National security and international affairs
    17.6 %: Other health care services
    17.5 %: Not specified retail trade
    17.4 %: Seafood and other miscellaneous foods, n.e.c.
    17.1 %: Administration of economic programs and space research

    Predominantly public sector would be

    Bus service
    Investigation and Security Services
    Administration of human resource programs (under ‘public administration)
    Postal services
    Individual family services
    Community food and housing (?)
    Other general government
    Administration of economic programs and space research.

    About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce.

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    • Replies: @res
    Why do you refuse to engage with the Department of Labor link I presented? If your data is inadequate for answering the question at hand surely it is worth considering other official sources? It would also help if you provided links to your data sources to make it easier to check (though obviously we can search for BLS).

    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    Also notice the numbers from the Pat Buchanan article for some specific areas of government. Some of those definitely look like jobs programs for blacks.

    Regarding "About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce."
    If I interpret this correctly, it shows that blacks are almost 2x overrepresented in those subsectors. Is that correct?
  179. @whorefinder
    De Blasio clearly overdosed on white guilt back in the day and has tried various overcompensation: worshiping communist murderers and marrying an ugly black woman while working for the NYC's first (and, as expected, incompetent) black mayor.

    De Blasio is a case study in what happened to white men in post-1960America who grew up without a father. The culture created a massive self-hatred in him.

    whorefinder, thank you, nice reply.

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  180. @Charles Pewitt
    The Democrats are the Black Party. The Democrats are the anti-White Party. The only thing holding the Democrat Party together is a mutually shared hatred of Whites.

    The Republicans are the White Party. The Republicans only win when they get substantial portions of the White vote. The only thing holding the Republican Party together is racial solidarity.

    The upper middle class and wealthy Whites who support the Democrats do everything in their power to live separate and apart from Blacks and Latinos. Hillary Clinton moved to Chappaqua, New York because it is a town of mostly White people.

    The young Black politicians who want to take control of the Democrat Party will find it easy to do so. God bless those Blacks who can resist the big fat Jewish money that goes to compliant and housebroken Blacks. At least these Blacks show some fight and independence. The mixed race politicians who pose as Blacks such as Corey Booker and Kamala Harris have no problem doing the bidding of wealthy Jewish donors. Maybe the young Black politicians will start a brawl with the Jewish donors who are the funding source of the Democrat Party. That could be loads of fun for all.

    The problem is that the Republicans don’t give a damn about white people.

    They just pretend that they do. Their interest is in the tribe and their money and fighting wars for Israel.

    The Democrats are at least honest about their hatred for the white goyim.

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  181. @Daniel Chieh
    Asians were actually a solid Republican bloc until the Obama era. And at least in my experience, most of the affirmative action scholarships, etc. specifically excluded Asians. I can't remember one that benefitted me, at any rate.

    Too many Asians have bought into the idea that being a liberal Democrat is fashionable.

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  182. @Art Deco
    Rangel's a crafty lawyer. He's not suffering intellectual deficits. Waters may have intellectual deficits, but emotional problems are more salient in her case. Ditto Sheila Jackson Lee.

    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits, regardless of the burden imposed on them by psychiatric problems. Rangel may be corrupt, but I always found him to be intelligent. And he was right to try to get the draft reinstated. If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

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    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits,

    Sheila Jackson Lee passed the Texas bar exam and Maxine Waters earned a college degree at a time when perhaps 20% of each age cohort did so. Their general intelligence may be lacking next to other members of Congress, but it's adequate for most intents and purposes. They have hellish personality problems.

    Sheila Jackson Lee's daughter is a horticulture specialist once employed (and perhaps still employed) supervising the maintenance of decorative plant life at one of the airports around Houston (IIRC). I'd be fascinated to know what she's like, and what she thinks of her mother.
    , @Art Deco
    If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

    No one's been sent to 'fight on behalf of Israel'.

    The discourse about 'neocons' is profoundly silly. They were a modest corps of opinion journalists who do not now and have not for 25 years traded in a distinct strand of thought within the Republican Party. They're standard-issue Republicans, for the most part. They do have personal and professional histories which differ from Republican politicians. Elliot Abrams was never a real estate agent. That's about it. Not one of the people associated with the Committee for the Free World is under the age of 55 and the former executive director of that outfit is 90.

    While we're at it, William Kristol's son was in the Marine Corps and put in time in Afghanistan. Michael Ledeen's daughter was a civilian employee in Iraq (and not stationed in the Green Zone) during one of its more dangerous periods. (Not that your ad hom was at all valid).

  183. @Ed
    So roughly 10% of the black population is on Medicaid. The national average Medicaid income limit is 138% of the federal poverty level or about $26k for a family of 3. The median house of income of blacks is about $36k. So there must be a lot more blacks that are qualified for Medicaid and don't obtain it.

    I’m sorry, I did not make that clear. My discussion was of the excess black population on Medicaid derived from participation at rates exceeding the non-black population. The excess is 4,000,000. The total black population on Medicaid is 11.5 million, or about 19% of the population on Medicaid. Somewhat north of 25% of the black population is signed up for Medicaid. Part of that is that an abnormally large share of working-aged blacks seem to have checked-out. Another part of that is heavy participation in sectors (home health care, retail trade) which rely on contracting, part time labor, &c.

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    Ah that makes a lot more sense, thanks. This checked out population is intriguing how do they live? What happens when big mama dies and there's no home.

    Also it's this checked out population that can spell the difference between a Dem or GOP WH.
  184. @lavoisier
    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits, regardless of the burden imposed on them by psychiatric problems. Rangel may be corrupt, but I always found him to be intelligent. And he was right to try to get the draft reinstated. If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits,

    Sheila Jackson Lee passed the Texas bar exam and Maxine Waters earned a college degree at a time when perhaps 20% of each age cohort did so. Their general intelligence may be lacking next to other members of Congress, but it’s adequate for most intents and purposes. They have hellish personality problems.

    Sheila Jackson Lee’s daughter is a horticulture specialist once employed (and perhaps still employed) supervising the maintenance of decorative plant life at one of the airports around Houston (IIRC). I’d be fascinated to know what she’s like, and what she thinks of her mother.

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  185. @res
    Thanks for that. What do you think of this progression?

    From the fourth grade, when Travis was a student in my classroom at Emery, to the seventh grade, two years into his schooling at Hyde, his test scores plummeted from the middle-range of national averages (the 53rd and 41st percentiles in reading and math) to the bottom end of the scale (27th and 10th percentiles, respectively). Travis wasn’t getting “dumber” as a matter of cognitive aptitude. He was mastering progressively fewer concepts in school than his potential would have predicted. Not surprisingly, by the 11th grade, his scores on the SAT fell in the bottom fifth percentile nationally.
     

    As black boys get older the anti-intellectualism of the culture begins to take hold. Also if they haven’t mastered good study habits they’ll simply fall behind.

    That’s my thinking. Schooling really needs to become non-compulsory. Let kids drop out in 6th grade or something. Stop with the pretenses.

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    • Replies: @res
    Sounds reasonable. If Travis is representative of a decent sized group it seems like there is an opportunity to intervene meaningfully--say by charter schools with other students who actually value academic performance. Of course, Travis still has to live in his neighborhood so who knows how that would go.

    Triumph104, what do you think?
  186. @lavoisier
    Waters and Jackson-Lee clearly suffer from profound intellectual deficits, regardless of the burden imposed on them by psychiatric problems. Rangel may be corrupt, but I always found him to be intelligent. And he was right to try to get the draft reinstated. If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

    If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

    No one’s been sent to ‘fight on behalf of Israel’.

    The discourse about ‘neocons’ is profoundly silly. They were a modest corps of opinion journalists who do not now and have not for 25 years traded in a distinct strand of thought within the Republican Party. They’re standard-issue Republicans, for the most part. They do have personal and professional histories which differ from Republican politicians. Elliot Abrams was never a real estate agent. That’s about it. Not one of the people associated with the Committee for the Free World is under the age of 55 and the former executive director of that outfit is 90.

    While we’re at it, William Kristol’s son was in the Marine Corps and put in time in Afghanistan. Michael Ledeen’s daughter was a civilian employee in Iraq (and not stationed in the Green Zone) during one of its more dangerous periods. (Not that your ad hom was at all valid).

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Are you delusional?

    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    And the beating of the war drums for a fight with Iran is in our interest? Exactly how does Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon threaten us?

    My God man stop lying to yourself and to others.

    The United States has no interest in these fights. We are involved because of our unholy alliance with Israel and because far too many of our elected representative are bought and paid for whores of the tribe. In a more rational time in our history these people would be called traitors.

    Some of us are well aware that our Republic is on life support. And some of us continue to drink the kool aid.

  187. @Art Deco
    I'm sorry, I did not make that clear. My discussion was of the excess black population on Medicaid derived from participation at rates exceeding the non-black population. The excess is 4,000,000. The total black population on Medicaid is 11.5 million, or about 19% of the population on Medicaid. Somewhat north of 25% of the black population is signed up for Medicaid. Part of that is that an abnormally large share of working-aged blacks seem to have checked-out. Another part of that is heavy participation in sectors (home health care, retail trade) which rely on contracting, part time labor, &c.

    Ah that makes a lot more sense, thanks. This checked out population is intriguing how do they live? What happens when big mama dies and there’s no home.

    Also it’s this checked out population that can spell the difference between a Dem or GOP WH.

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  188. @Art Deco
    The BLS data are industry specific and specific to occupation. As far as I'm aware, their regular data reports are not sorting people into categories of 'public sector' and 'private sector' per se, though they may issue occasional report on that subject. However, one of their industrial classifications is 'public administration', which incorporates about 1/3 of all public sector employees. One subcategory is 'postal services', which is public sector by definition. Educational services are predominantly public sector (and not disproportionately black). Industrial subcategories with the largest black segment are as follows:

    34.6 %: Barber shops
    30.4 %: Bus service and urban transit
    30.2 %: Home health care services
    28.5 %: Nursing care facilities (skilled nursing facilities)
    26.6 %: Taxi and limousine service
    26.3 %: Couriers and messengers
    26.1 %: Residential care facilities, except skilled nursing facilities
    25.3 %: Animal slaughtering and processing
    24.8 %: Investigation and security services
    24.3 %: Warehousing and storage
    23.2 %: Employment services
    22.2 %: Administration of human resource programs
    22.1 %: Postal Service
    21.3 %: Automotive equipment rental and leasing
    21.2 %: Individual and family services
    19.5 %: Department stores and discount stores
    18.8 %: Business support services
    18.8 %: Community food and housing, and emergency services
    18.7 %: Child day care services
    18.6 %: Ship and boat building
    18.5 %: Other general government and support
    18.3 %: National security and international affairs
    17.6 %: Other health care services
    17.5 %: Not specified retail trade
    17.4 %: Seafood and other miscellaneous foods, n.e.c.
    17.1 %: Administration of economic programs and space research

    Predominantly public sector would be

    Bus service
    Investigation and Security Services
    Administration of human resource programs (under 'public administration)
    Postal services
    Individual family services
    Community food and housing (?)
    Other general government
    Administration of economic programs and space research.


    About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce.

    Why do you refuse to engage with the Department of Labor link I presented? If your data is inadequate for answering the question at hand surely it is worth considering other official sources? It would also help if you provided links to your data sources to make it easier to check (though obviously we can search for BLS).

    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/

    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    Also notice the numbers from the Pat Buchanan article for some specific areas of government. Some of those definitely look like jobs programs for blacks.

    Regarding “About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce.”
    If I interpret this correctly, it shows that blacks are almost 2x overrepresented in those subsectors. Is that correct?

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    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    They do not necessarily publish regular data tables on that question and it can be a challenge to locate on their site the data they do publish. They do not have the straightforward pathways the Bureau of Economic Analysis and Census Bureau maintain.

    Please recall how this discussion got started. One fellow insists that economic interest is driving black voting behavior because the government is a patronage distributor. The other fellow says "90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.". You're making a big fuss about 3.5% or 5% of the black workforce being in one sector or one sort of employment and not another. Whether it's 14% or 19% or whether it's 4% or 7.5%, is immaterial. The higher figure does not sustain the two original complaints any better than the lower figure does.

    The social reality is that the black population is largely composed of wage-earners, has somewhat depressed employment levels (off about 10% compared with the other racial categories), and signs up for subsidies available to wage earners at a higher rate than other racial categories. That doesn't tell me why it's in the 'economic interest' of the other 2/3 or 3/4 of the black population to vote Democratic in a monolithic bloc or why old white people seem to be able cash their Social Security checks and vote Republican while blacks can be bought for the price of an Obamaphone. Something other than material interest is providing most of the horsepower here.
  189. @Ed
    As black boys get older the anti-intellectualism of the culture begins to take hold. Also if they haven't mastered good study habits they'll simply fall behind.

    That's my thinking. Schooling really needs to become non-compulsory. Let kids drop out in 6th grade or something. Stop with the pretenses.

    Sounds reasonable. If Travis is representative of a decent sized group it seems like there is an opportunity to intervene meaningfully–say by charter schools with other students who actually value academic performance. Of course, Travis still has to live in his neighborhood so who knows how that would go.

    Triumph104, what do you think?

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  190. @Triumph104
    A lot of black charter schools have the word "leadership" in the school's name. Former basketball player Jalen Rose has a 99% black Detroit charter high school called the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy. The school's ACT average is 15.6 and less than 5% of the students are college-ready.

    Several black charter schools refer to their students as "scholars".

    I looked up the school on Michigan’s Education Data website. For the 2015-16 school year, 90 students at the school took the SAT. The combined mean score was 861 and 7 students met college readiness benchmarks.

    Yet 45 or 50% enrolled at 4 year schools, including 7 at Michigan St, 6 at Central Michigan and 2 at UMich.

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  191. @Pericles
    Nelson Mandela was followed by Thabo Mbeki, who was followed by Jacob Zuma.

    That’s not the best example because non-blacks (whites, mixed-race “coloreds” and Indians) all vote >90% against the DNC nowadays; they just have no hope of outweighing the >75% the ANC gets with blacks.

    Demographics are destiny and all that. I think the most likely scenario where whites start voting as a bloc or Hispanics and/or Asians start voting like whites is something like present-day SA — i.e. after it’s too late to matter.

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  192. @snorlax
    That's not the best example because non-blacks (whites, mixed-race "coloreds" and Indians) all vote >90% against the DNC nowadays; they just have no hope of outweighing the >75% the ANC gets with blacks.

    Demographics are destiny and all that. I think the most likely scenario where whites start voting as a bloc or Hispanics and/or Asians start voting like whites is something like present-day SA — i.e. after it's too late to matter.

    ANC, not DNC.

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  193. @whorefinder
    Pat Buchanan has argued that when the Dems movied for gerrymandering black-majority congressional districts, GOP didn't oppose it too strongly on the long-term belief that blacks would elect incompetent, corrupt blacks who wouldn't be that talented at national politicking and who largely be satisfied with graft. As a result, the rest of the area around the district would reliably vote GOP and not only overwhelm the blacks in terms of numbers, but also give blacks an outlet and "black leaders" so they wouldn't agitate that much.

    If true, the GOP was right. Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel are shining examples of graft-covered, low-IQ, nonsensical black politicians who know how to scream racism to get elected and get nothing accomplished.

    source? I really need to use this in a project.

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  194. @Art Deco
    There were 35,000 Christians in Israel in 1950 and there are 165,000 today. Other than occidental expats living in the Gulf emirates, they make up the most affluent Christian population in the region. They're not living in the middle of an endless civil war, they're not in danger from Islamist paramilitaries, they're not in danger from mob violence, and they've been neither the targets nor the participants in any sort of sectarian war (all of which puts them in a more agreeable situation than the Christians of Syria, Syria and Iraq, Egypt, and Lebanon). They have full citizenship if they're native to the territory inside the 1949 armistice lines and can apply for it if they're native to east Jerusalem. They seem to be doing all right.

    There were 35,000 Christians in Israel in 1950 and there are 165,000 today… They seem to be doing all right.

    Doing all right within Israel proper. In the Muslim-controlled West Bank, not so well.

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  195. @Bro Methylene
    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.

    And we all know how generous the Israelis have been to Palestinian Christians.

    Given that Israel has has treated Palestinian Christians fairly well, it is ironic that this Palestinian Christian of the West Bank- from the Bethlehem area- screams at the Joos and makes no complaint about the Muslims- who have definitely not treated West Bank Christians very well. BTW, I have come across some scuttlebutt that claims that one of his children living in the US -no dummy to stay in the US – has a Jewish significant other.

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  196. @res
    Why do you refuse to engage with the Department of Labor link I presented? If your data is inadequate for answering the question at hand surely it is worth considering other official sources? It would also help if you provided links to your data sources to make it easier to check (though obviously we can search for BLS).

    https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    Also notice the numbers from the Pat Buchanan article for some specific areas of government. Some of those definitely look like jobs programs for blacks.

    Regarding "About 4% of the workforce is to be found in these subsectors, about 30% of the public sector workforce, and about 7.5% of the black workforce."
    If I interpret this correctly, it shows that blacks are almost 2x overrepresented in those subsectors. Is that correct?

    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    They do not necessarily publish regular data tables on that question and it can be a challenge to locate on their site the data they do publish. They do not have the straightforward pathways the Bureau of Economic Analysis and Census Bureau maintain.

    Please recall how this discussion got started. One fellow insists that economic interest is driving black voting behavior because the government is a patronage distributor. The other fellow says “90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.”. You’re making a big fuss about 3.5% or 5% of the black workforce being in one sector or one sort of employment and not another. Whether it’s 14% or 19% or whether it’s 4% or 7.5%, is immaterial. The higher figure does not sustain the two original complaints any better than the lower figure does.

    The social reality is that the black population is largely composed of wage-earners, has somewhat depressed employment levels (off about 10% compared with the other racial categories), and signs up for subsidies available to wage earners at a higher rate than other racial categories. That doesn’t tell me why it’s in the ‘economic interest’ of the other 2/3 or 3/4 of the black population to vote Democratic in a monolithic bloc or why old white people seem to be able cash their Social Security checks and vote Republican while blacks can be bought for the price of an Obamaphone. Something other than material interest is providing most of the horsepower here.

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    Please recall how this discussion got started. One fellow insists that economic interest is driving black voting behavior because the government is a patronage distributor.
     
    IMHO that is a defensible statement (as a partial explanation). Also don't underestimate the importance of affirmative action and disparate impact doctrine in driving black employment. How competitive do you think much of the private sector black workforce would be without the government putting its hand on the scale?

    I'm not sure how to compare the size of that effect to the effect of being on the "black side" (this phrase is ironic given the effect on black neighborhoods) in kerfuffles like Trayvon, stop and frisk, etc.

    The other fellow says “90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.”.
     
    This is not defensible. Calling it hyperbole would be the charitable interpretation.

    The social reality is that the black population is largely composed of wage-earners, has somewhat depressed employment levels (off about 10% compared with the other racial categories), and signs up for subsidies available to wage earners at a higher rate than other racial categories.
     
    This is a good summary. I wonder how much of the underemployment is due to criminal records. Do you have numbers comparing employment for men and women by race?

    That doesn’t tell me why it’s in the ‘economic interest’ of the other 2/3 or 3/4 of the black population to vote Democratic in a monolithic bloc or why old white people seem to be able cash their Social Security checks and vote Republican while blacks can be bought for the price of an Obamaphone. Something other than material interest is providing most of the horsepower here.
     
    This is the interesting question. I am fascinated to see how many older "muh bootstraps" people see Social Security, Medicare, senior discounts, etc. as inalienable rights in no way reflective of their heroic self support while lambasting social measures to help other people. I do think on average blacks are more susceptible to token gestures like Obamaphones.

    My "black side" comment above had a jesting side, but I think it actually explains a lot. It just baffles me how the non-criminal blacks seem so willing to accept the neighborhood destroying aspects of that (e.g. tolerance of black criminals, easy single mother welfare, etc.).

    Then there is the aura of being on the "right" side of the civil rights battle.

    I think we mostly agree here. I just would not dismiss the material interest argument completely.
  197. @Vinteuil
    btw - it never struck me before how closely this passage resembles Matthew 7:13-14:

    "...wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

    You may be interested in the book Strait is the Gate by André Gide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_Is_the_Gate

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    It sat on my shelf for many years. I tried to start reading it two or three times. I instantly fell asleep, every time.
  198. @Art Deco
    If the Neocons and their stooges had to send their sons and daughters off to fight wars on behalf of Israel, they might be a little more cautious with American blood and treasure..

    No one's been sent to 'fight on behalf of Israel'.

    The discourse about 'neocons' is profoundly silly. They were a modest corps of opinion journalists who do not now and have not for 25 years traded in a distinct strand of thought within the Republican Party. They're standard-issue Republicans, for the most part. They do have personal and professional histories which differ from Republican politicians. Elliot Abrams was never a real estate agent. That's about it. Not one of the people associated with the Committee for the Free World is under the age of 55 and the former executive director of that outfit is 90.

    While we're at it, William Kristol's son was in the Marine Corps and put in time in Afghanistan. Michael Ledeen's daughter was a civilian employee in Iraq (and not stationed in the Green Zone) during one of its more dangerous periods. (Not that your ad hom was at all valid).

    Are you delusional?

    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    And the beating of the war drums for a fight with Iran is in our interest? Exactly how does Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon threaten us?

    My God man stop lying to yourself and to others.

    The United States has no interest in these fights. We are involved because of our unholy alliance with Israel and because far too many of our elected representative are bought and paid for whores of the tribe. In a more rational time in our history these people would be called traitors.

    Some of us are well aware that our Republic is on life support. And some of us continue to drink the kool aid.

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    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    We're not fighting any war anywhere but in Afghanistan, where we have our own interests. Israel's priority in 2002 was the threat from Iran, a concern the Bush administration put on the back burner.

    Syria's problems and Libya's are sociological in character and do not derive from their conflicts with the occidental powers or Israel.
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    @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "And he's married to a black woman."

    Who "used to be" a lesbian, no less.

    It’s usually the other way around– they aren’t real lesbians, which pisses off the true dykes to no end.

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    Bisexuality is the mode among women with an interest in lesbianism. Some pure lesbians resent them.

    https://twitter.com/conservativelez/status/714847047887806464

    Interesting contrast to the party line among the (male) gay lobby, which maintains that bisexuals do not exist.

  201. @TheBoom
    All of the coalition of the fringes will follow leftist blacks if they feel that is where the action is in scamming whitey. Neither Asians or Hispanics have loyalty to the US. They are only loyal to their tribe and will vote accordingly. The Asians want open borders to increase the numbers of their tribe and to introduce other Asians to the horrors of microaggressions and white privilege. Asians also want to cash in on the SJW bandwagon when the opportunity arrises.

    Female Hispanics, and to a lessor degree male Hispanics, want to turn the US into Mexico Norte and increase the social services to which they are addicted. One of the primary missions of Hispanics is to take the social services Americans no longer want to take.

    Female Hispanics, and to a lessor degree male Hispanics, want to turn the US into Mexico Norte and increase the social services to which they are addicted.

    This is wrong as to the Hispanic American work ethic (ex Puerto Ricans) and very wrong as to the level of public social service benefits in Mexico.

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    Fiction. Nearly half of Hispanic births are outside of marriage and the mothers collect social services and can make good money that way. Also, families from Central America with children have the highest rate of social assistance. Hispanics also collect a variety of other social services in huge numbers. As Ann Coulter likes to point out, all the pro immigration arguments are based on lies.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/hispanic-family-values-12965.html

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    @res
    Thanks for that. What do you think of this progression?

    From the fourth grade, when Travis was a student in my classroom at Emery, to the seventh grade, two years into his schooling at Hyde, his test scores plummeted from the middle-range of national averages (the 53rd and 41st percentiles in reading and math) to the bottom end of the scale (27th and 10th percentiles, respectively). Travis wasn’t getting “dumber” as a matter of cognitive aptitude. He was mastering progressively fewer concepts in school than his potential would have predicted. Not surprisingly, by the 11th grade, his scores on the SAT fell in the bottom fifth percentile nationally.
     

    It’s low Conscientiousness (in the Big 5 sense) plain and simple. Elementary is before puberty and they’re still young enough that teachers’ approval is a motivator.

    And there’s less work/homework– can skate by on middling IQ being a big fish in a small pond. Truancy (or skipping class in college) isn’t an issue.

    Military might’ve been a good fit– all the structure/lack of choice can cover up those other self-regulation deficits. That’s kind of what he has doing the menial jobs. Seems he can maintain job performance fine; just can’t force himself (or even want) to study/succeed in school.

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  203. @(((Owen)))

    Female Hispanics, and to a lessor degree male Hispanics, want to turn the US into Mexico Norte and increase the social services to which they are addicted.
     
    This is wrong as to the Hispanic American work ethic (ex Puerto Ricans) and very wrong as to the level of public social service benefits in Mexico.

    Fiction. Nearly half of Hispanic births are outside of marriage and the mothers collect social services and can make good money that way. Also, families from Central America with children have the highest rate of social assistance. Hispanics also collect a variety of other social services in huge numbers. As Ann Coulter likes to point out, all the pro immigration arguments are based on lies.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/hispanic-family-values-12965.html

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  204. @Art Deco
    Clearly states that in 2011 19.3% of the black labor force was in the public sector compared to 14.2% for whites and 10.4% for Hispanics. The interesting thing is they cite the BLS data as their source so it appears the information can be extracted somehow.

    They do not necessarily publish regular data tables on that question and it can be a challenge to locate on their site the data they do publish. They do not have the straightforward pathways the Bureau of Economic Analysis and Census Bureau maintain.

    Please recall how this discussion got started. One fellow insists that economic interest is driving black voting behavior because the government is a patronage distributor. The other fellow says "90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.". You're making a big fuss about 3.5% or 5% of the black workforce being in one sector or one sort of employment and not another. Whether it's 14% or 19% or whether it's 4% or 7.5%, is immaterial. The higher figure does not sustain the two original complaints any better than the lower figure does.

    The social reality is that the black population is largely composed of wage-earners, has somewhat depressed employment levels (off about 10% compared with the other racial categories), and signs up for subsidies available to wage earners at a higher rate than other racial categories. That doesn't tell me why it's in the 'economic interest' of the other 2/3 or 3/4 of the black population to vote Democratic in a monolithic bloc or why old white people seem to be able cash their Social Security checks and vote Republican while blacks can be bought for the price of an Obamaphone. Something other than material interest is providing most of the horsepower here.

    Please recall how this discussion got started. One fellow insists that economic interest is driving black voting behavior because the government is a patronage distributor.

    IMHO that is a defensible statement (as a partial explanation). Also don’t underestimate the importance of affirmative action and disparate impact doctrine in driving black employment. How competitive do you think much of the private sector black workforce would be without the government putting its hand on the scale?

    I’m not sure how to compare the size of that effect to the effect of being on the “black side” (this phrase is ironic given the effect on black neighborhoods) in kerfuffles like Trayvon, stop and frisk, etc.

    The other fellow says “90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.”.

    This is not defensible. Calling it hyperbole would be the charitable interpretation.

    The social reality is that the black population is largely composed of wage-earners, has somewhat depressed employment levels (off about 10% compared with the other racial categories), and signs up for subsidies available to wage earners at a higher rate than other racial categories.

    This is a good summary. I wonder how much of the underemployment is due to criminal records. Do you have numbers comparing employment for men and women by race?

    That doesn’t tell me why it’s in the ‘economic interest’ of the other 2/3 or 3/4 of the black population to vote Democratic in a monolithic bloc or why old white people seem to be able cash their Social Security checks and vote Republican while blacks can be bought for the price of an Obamaphone. Something other than material interest is providing most of the horsepower here.

    This is the interesting question. I am fascinated to see how many older “muh bootstraps” people see Social Security, Medicare, senior discounts, etc. as inalienable rights in no way reflective of their heroic self support while lambasting social measures to help other people. I do think on average blacks are more susceptible to token gestures like Obamaphones.

    My “black side” comment above had a jesting side, but I think it actually explains a lot. It just baffles me how the non-criminal blacks seem so willing to accept the neighborhood destroying aspects of that (e.g. tolerance of black criminals, easy single mother welfare, etc.).

    Then there is the aura of being on the “right” side of the civil rights battle.

    I think we mostly agree here. I just would not dismiss the material interest argument completely.

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  205. @lavoisier
    Are you delusional?

    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    And the beating of the war drums for a fight with Iran is in our interest? Exactly how does Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon threaten us?

    My God man stop lying to yourself and to others.

    The United States has no interest in these fights. We are involved because of our unholy alliance with Israel and because far too many of our elected representative are bought and paid for whores of the tribe. In a more rational time in our history these people would be called traitors.

    Some of us are well aware that our Republic is on life support. And some of us continue to drink the kool aid.

    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    We’re not fighting any war anywhere but in Afghanistan, where we have our own interests. Israel’s priority in 2002 was the threat from Iran, a concern the Bush administration put on the back burner.

    Syria’s problems and Libya’s are sociological in character and do not derive from their conflicts with the occidental powers or Israel.

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    Thank you for your response. You also present your arguments in a judicious manner and without calling names--rare qualities.

    I am very worried about the state of our world and the health of our republic.

    I do not wish harm towards anyone.

    But is there not some way for us to come together to avoid such terrible wars in the future? Does the whole Earth have to burn for the sake of Israel? Is there any way for there to be peace over there?

    Good people from all of the tribes of the world have got to find a way to sit down and talk.

    We can no longer afford to be aggressive and stupid. Our world has a gun pointed to its head with nuclear weapons and there is no room for error.

    We have to get smarter and kinder fast or we are going to extinguish ourselves and our planet.

    I fear for the future more today than I have ever feared for the future.
  206. @Art Deco
    The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc etc are being fought on whose behalf?

    We're not fighting any war anywhere but in Afghanistan, where we have our own interests. Israel's priority in 2002 was the threat from Iran, a concern the Bush administration put on the back burner.

    Syria's problems and Libya's are sociological in character and do not derive from their conflicts with the occidental powers or Israel.

    Thank you for your response. You also present your arguments in a judicious manner and without calling names–rare qualities.

    I am very worried about the state of our world and the health of our republic.

    I do not wish harm towards anyone.

    But is there not some way for us to come together to avoid such terrible wars in the future? Does the whole Earth have to burn for the sake of Israel? Is there any way for there to be peace over there?

    Good people from all of the tribes of the world have got to find a way to sit down and talk.

    We can no longer afford to be aggressive and stupid. Our world has a gun pointed to its head with nuclear weapons and there is no room for error.

    We have to get smarter and kinder fast or we are going to extinguish ourselves and our planet.

    I fear for the future more today than I have ever feared for the future.

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  207. @Truth

    At least Donald J. Trump’s kids love him.
     
    ...His four sons sing his praises all the time...

    Can you elaborate on this comment?

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  208. @Ivy
    You may be interested in the book Strait is the Gate by André Gide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_Is_the_Gate

    It sat on my shelf for many years. I tried to start reading it two or three times. I instantly fell asleep, every time.

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  209. @anon
    It's usually the other way around-- they aren't real lesbians, which pisses off the true dykes to no end.

    Bisexuality is the mode among women with an interest in lesbianism. Some pure lesbians resent them.

    Interesting contrast to the party line among the (male) gay lobby, which maintains that bisexuals do not exist.

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  210. @Daniel Chieh
    I would follow Genius-Nehisi Coates to the gates of hell itself, of course.

    Following him to Hell seems easier than reading his stuff. Unreadable.

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  211. @Art Deco
    90 percent of blacks who work work in affirmative action government and poverty pimp NGO jobs.

    Again, there are 18 million employed blacks. Blacks employed in 'public administration' number 1.145 million, those in general social assistance (e.g. childcare workers) number about 660,000, about 2.9 million or so work in health care (about evenly split between employment in medical services and employment in long-term care services), about 1.5 million work for educational institutions; about 100,000 work for law firms and counsel's offices; about 140,000 work for public utilities, about 140,000 are postal workers, about 150,000 work for bus and transit services, about 30,000 work for the railways; and about 30,000 work in data processing, archives, and libraries; and about 230,000 are in the military. That's about 39% of the black working population, of whom roughly half would be public employees. Some of them benefited from AA, some of them did not. I'm not sure how nurse's aides qualify as 'poverty pimps'.

    Don’t forget the 1 million blacks in jail. They’re supporting the prison economy.

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